**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:59 2012
May 09 03:00:02 <drpenguin> Snwspeckle: "easy" is a relative term. I can say making a MultiThreaded TFTP server in C is easy, but for someone who has never seen pthreads or C could disagree
May 09 03:01:07 <Snwspeckle> true, true
May 09 03:01:38 <drpenguin> As obscure as that example is, I use that because I wrote one for school lol
May 09 03:01:40 <Snwspeckle> dammit, still not working..
May 09 03:03:51 <Snwspeckle> So if I am declaring a custom style I create to be used in the Manifest, why is it not being used?....
May 09 03:07:20 <t0mless> canadiancow|work going to go get some "fill it mig non"?
May 09 03:07:37 <canadiancow> lol
May 09 03:08:03 <t0mless> Snwspeckle because you're doing it wrong?
May 09 03:08:16 <Snwspeckle> ?...
May 09 03:08:33 <t0mless> seems like the only explination
May 09 03:09:10 <Snwspeckle> I got a question then
May 09 03:09:17 <t0mless> huh, apparently my phone's battery died and I didn't notice
May 09 03:09:34 <Snwspeckle> Say I want to use a refresh item, do I leave the android:icon blank and remove it since I want the default?
May 09 03:09:51 <t0mless> huh?
May 09 03:10:07 <t0mless> there is no default icon
May 09 03:10:15 <Snwspeckle> Basically lets say I want to add a refresh object to the actionbar but I want to use the one used in ICS
May 09 03:10:23 <Snwspeckle> do I remove android:icon?
May 09 03:10:28 <t0mless> no
May 09 03:10:46 <Snwspeckle> then where do I get those resources?..
May 09 03:11:27 <t0mless> you do realize there is no "default" one?
May 09 03:11:51 <Snwspeckle> the default ICS images tho
May 09 03:12:14 <Snwspeckle> icons*
May 09 03:12:19 <t0mless> you can reference those with android:icon="@android:drawable/ic_whatever"
May 09 03:12:36 <Snwspeckle> but thats only if you need custom ones
May 09 03:12:44 <Snwspeckle> should I remove that if I want the default?
May 09 03:12:50 <t0mless> there is no default
May 09 03:12:53 <Snwspeckle> <item android:id="@+id/menu_refresh" android:showAsAction="ifRoom"
May 09 03:12:53 <Snwspeckle> 		android:title="@string/action_label_refresh" android:icon="@drawable/ic_menu_refresh_holo_light" />
May 09 03:12:55 <Snwspeckle> ?
May 09 03:13:03 <Snwspeckle> Thats where I am confused
May 09 03:13:24 <t0mless> ic_menu_refresh_holo_light is an included icon
May 09 03:13:30 <t0mless> there is NO default
May 09 03:13:41 <t0mless> if you want to use a built in icon, you have to reference it
May 09 03:13:44 <t0mless> but it needs to exist
May 09 03:13:53 <Snwspeckle> built in, as in, pre-installed?
May 09 03:13:53 <t0mless> and there is not system refresh icon I don't think
May 09 03:14:01 <t0mless> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.drawable.html
May 09 03:14:28 <Snwspeckle> ok
May 09 03:14:29 <Snwspeckle> thanks
May 09 03:15:16 <t0mless> there is probably a listing of images somewhere
May 09 03:15:23 <t0mless> but you could also just look in the platform dir
May 09 03:15:38 <xorgate> http://androiddrawableexplorer.appspot.com/
May 09 03:15:54 <t0mless> got anything more recent?
May 09 03:16:04 <xorgate> nope :/
May 09 03:16:31 <t0mless> looks like ic_menu_refresh existed in 2.2
May 09 03:16:40 <t0mless> but don't think it does in 4.0
May 09 03:17:37 <Snwspeckle> Still can't get my custom style to be used...
May 09 03:17:43 <Snwspeckle> probably something really stupid I am messing up
May 09 03:18:04 <t0mless> oh, it appears it does exist
May 09 03:18:08 <t0mless> just not on the docs list
May 09 03:18:38 <t0mless> so you could do android:icon="@android:drawable/ic_menu_refresh"
May 09 03:19:08 <Snwspeckle> mhm ok
May 09 03:19:21 <Snwspeckle> Well I added them, yet my style still isnt porting into my tabs..
May 09 03:19:24 <Snwspeckle> ughh
May 09 03:19:33 <t0mless> porting into your tabs?
May 09 03:19:35 <t0mless> wtf does that mean
May 09 03:20:04 <Snwspeckle> My custom style is not being used, yet I have cross checked it with the example..
May 09 03:21:45 <t0mless> g00s why is the new androidplot not drawing my graph!?!
May 09 03:22:37 <kb1ooo> i want to fetch android_id from c++.  it appears that there are not sufficient privledges to read /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db directly using sqlite3?  Is there another way that doesn't involve me calling into Java via jnienv (or via swig directors)?
May 09 03:22:45 <Grunewald> Hey there I have an architectural question. I have an Android app that needs to download a Zip file first before doing anything. Once the Zipfile is loaded a Loader can go ahead and use a file in the Zipfile to load the data for the first Fragment in the Activity. I am right now stuck on how I can either trigger the loader or tell the loader to wait until the zipfile has been downloaded.
May 09 03:22:46 <Grunewald> I am initiating the Zip download in the Activity and the Loader in the Fragment. suggestions ?
May 09 03:25:13 <vbabiy> Hey any awesome devs want to help me with this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10467175/drawing-non-rectangular-shapes-on-android
May 09 03:25:23 <vbabiy> I can seem to figure out the best way to do this
May 09 03:25:55 <bankai_> usually you ask the question, then follow it up with a URL
May 09 03:26:20 <vbabiy> bankai_ yeah I already put all the details in the stackover flow question
May 09 03:26:31 <vbabiy> and it is a graphical kinda question
May 09 03:26:53 <bankai_> so you're making people go to a URL because you're too lazy to explain even the basics of it ?
May 09 03:27:27 <HacDan> so you're typing all of this out instead of moving your mouse pointer to a hyperlink?
May 09 03:27:41 <maccodemonkey> I'm doing JNI development and when I try and use GetDirectBufferAddress it always comes back null. Verified input byte buffer was allocated directly.
May 09 03:27:47 <bankai_> i'm in irssi, there's no "hyperlink"
May 09 03:27:53 <vbabiy> bankai_ an image is worth a thousand words
May 09 03:27:58 <HacDan> oh sorry, you'll have to drag copy and paste
May 09 03:28:15 <Snwspeckle> Anyone have any idea about styling Tabs with Pagers?...
May 09 03:29:57 <maccodemonkey> nm, I r newb
May 09 03:34:23 <hesperaux> greetings
May 09 03:34:56 <hesperaux> t0mless, regarding the EditText grabbing the focus as soon as the fragment loads, apparently i have to use a hack to fix this...
May 09 03:35:04 <hesperaux> which makes absolutely no sense to me
May 09 03:35:21 <hesperaux> you create a dummy layout at the top that steals focus and has no content
May 09 03:35:36 <hesperaux> and onResume() you insure that this is taken care of
May 09 03:36:31 <hesperaux> also, has anyone ever made a generic database Adapter class that allows grabbing data from any database? (possibly with a couple of necessary parameters in the constructor?)
May 09 03:36:50 <t0mless> would be pretty simple
May 09 03:36:54 <hesperaux> i'm growing very tired of creating adapter classes for every table in my DB...and  controllers too
May 09 03:36:59 <t0mless> but as far as I know, no
May 09 03:37:15 <t0mless> why are you creating adapter classes for every table?
May 09 03:37:37 <hesperaux> i was thinking of passing in the table columns as an array, as well as what table is being "adapter'd" at the time
May 09 03:37:49 <hesperaux> t0mless, basically because i've been learning how to do it
May 09 03:38:07 <hesperaux> now i am feeling ready to make a generic, reusable adapter for all my tables
May 09 03:38:41 <Grunewald> Does anyone know of a good example of a MultiTable Content Provider ?
May 09 03:38:42 <hesperaux> same with the controller classes i've made, which handle creating rows for the table, finding rows, getting the whole table, etc.
May 09 03:41:27 <hesperaux> well, i need to sleep. i'll just come back tomorrow
May 09 03:41:35 <hesperaux> night all
May 09 03:56:26 <Grunewald> Question/Poll about Fragments. Do you put your fragments directly into your layout.xml files or do you put a Framelayout into your layout.xml and replace it with the fragment dynamically? Or are you doing something completely different?
May 09 03:57:13 <t0mless> I use <fragment />
May 09 03:59:00 <JakeWharton> can't .replace() a <fragment/>
May 09 04:00:50 <Grunewald> Hey Jake I take that as a statement? I started out with fragment but I feel like i have reached a point where I need more control over when I load the fragment into the activity, and to my knowledge that's only possible by replacing a FrameLayout. Right? Wrong?
May 09 04:04:16 <t0mless> Can to
May 09 04:05:06 <t0mless> pretty sure i've used ft.replace() with just <fragment />
May 09 04:05:28 * pfn scratches his head
May 09 04:05:33 <pfn> damnit, why is my socket now blocking...
May 09 04:05:42 * t0mless blocks pfn
May 09 04:05:45 <canadiancow> t0mless i dont think so
May 09 04:05:52 <pfn> particularly when it should be closed by the remote side
May 09 04:07:08 <t0mless> hrm
May 09 04:07:15 <t0mless> lemme go find the project I think i'm rembering
May 09 04:10:46 <t0mless> I've totally used .replace() on <fragment />
May 09 04:10:51 <canadiancow> no
May 09 04:10:53 <canadiancow> you haven't
May 09 04:11:01 <canadiancow> :0
May 09 04:11:04 <canadiancow> :) *
May 09 04:11:32 <JakeWharton> Grunewald: correct
May 09 04:12:03 <Grunewald> JakeWharton: thanks for the confirmation
May 09 04:12:37 <cooldman224> im new to services and runnable. I dont understand why my updateTimeTask only goes through only once in the handleintent and then stops. It should continue! http://pastebin.com/knSe10Nt
May 09 04:14:06 <Grunewald> cooldman224 where is your loop that would make it repeat _
May 09 04:14:08 <Grunewald> ?
May 09 04:15:03 <Grunewald>  cooldman224 ah I see what you want to do there
May 09 04:15:13 <cooldman224> Grunewald, inside my runnable.
May 09 04:17:46 <Grunewald> cooldman224 I would have to dig deep into that code don#t have time at the moment if you can't get an answer here try Stackoverflow
May 09 04:17:51 <t0mless> hrm...
May 09 04:17:56 <t0mless> IntelliJ is not responding
May 09 04:18:01 <t0mless> that's a first
May 09 04:18:08 <cooldman224> Grunewald, i dont understand the difference between onStartCommand and onHandleIntent
May 09 04:19:26 <t0mless> That's not really what IntentService was designed to do
May 09 04:20:07 <pfn> onHandleIntent runs in a separate thread
May 09 04:20:10 <pfn> onStartCommand doesn't
May 09 04:20:11 <t0mless> IntentService is meant to be started by an intent to do a specific task on the background and then stop when it's done
May 09 04:20:12 <pfn> that's the difference
May 09 04:20:32 <t0mless> and it automatically spawns a workerthread and automatically queues the intents
May 09 04:20:41 <t0mless> and automatically stops when it's out of work to do
May 09 04:21:30 <cooldman224> "IntentService is meant to be started by an intent to do a specific task on the background and then stop when it's done" But am I not doing that?
May 09 04:21:38 <t0mless> no
May 09 04:21:44 <cooldman224> I know right now it shouldnt stop but im just doing a simple example
May 09 04:22:07 <t0mless> you're starting it and then posting to yet another thread and posting it again and again
May 09 04:22:50 <t0mless> so once it posts that runnable, the service is done and probably shutsdown
May 09 04:22:58 <cooldman224> ahhh ok
May 09 04:23:07 <cooldman224> makes htc sense now
May 09 04:23:19 <cooldman224> I need to use a service
May 09 04:23:19 <t0mless> did you really just throw out an htc pun?
May 09 04:23:30 <cooldman224> no
May 09 04:24:19 <cooldman224> ....yes
May 09 04:26:15 <t0mless> NO SOUP FOR YOU
May 09 04:26:22 <g00s> i think my datetime thing here is going to go into day 4
May 09 04:26:28 <t0mless> g00s the androidplot javadoc is terribad
May 09 04:26:37 <g00s> t0mless: hehe, i remember that
May 09 04:26:46 <t0mless> their wiki was a bit better
May 09 04:26:52 <t0mless> but it went kaboom as well
May 09 04:26:55 <g00s> that project was going full steam ahead, and then the dude that worked onit abandoned it to open source
May 09 04:27:11 <g00s> and it seems to have gone tits up
May 09 04:27:30 <t0mless> Indeed
May 09 04:28:24 <g00s> so when you get a ticket for a movie, are you allowed to stay and watch it again ?
May 09 04:28:29 <t0mless> So in order for me to set the size of my labels, I have to use these silly size metrics?
May 09 04:28:32 <g00s> i think i might watch Prometheus 4 or 5 times
May 09 04:28:54 <t0mless> heh
May 09 04:28:58 <t0mless> Technically... no
May 09 04:29:05 <g00s> ok, thats all i needed
May 09 04:29:13 <p_l> g00s: they send cleaners in
May 09 04:29:26 <Jak_o_Shadows> steal the cleaners uniform
May 09 04:29:29 <t0mless> That's when you go to the bathroom
May 09 04:29:40 <g00s> i'll just wait for the movie to come out on itunes then
May 09 04:29:46 <g00s> fuck it
May 09 04:30:02 <t0mless> though I think most theaters have the bathrooms on the other side of the ticket checker dude
May 09 04:30:05 <p_l> Jak_o_Shadows: that's when you use garrote
May 09 04:47:29 <g00s> i have this strange problem of eclipse injecting '1' s in my code
May 09 04:47:49 <g00s> like all of a sudden, there will just be something like while (…) { 1
May 09 04:47:56 <g00s> wtf i can't even
May 09 04:48:25 <cooldman224> thats a feature
May 09 04:49:06 <Grunewald> Hey is there any difference between using dp and using dip as unit of measure ?
May 09 04:49:20 <Jak_o_Shadows> eclipse has numerous high-quality features like that.
May 09 04:49:23 <Grunewald> or are they just aliases
May 09 04:52:04 <t0mless> they are the same
May 09 04:52:35 <Grunewald> Thanks t0mless that's what I thought
May 09 04:59:13 <readme> g00s: i would make sure it's not a problem with your keyboard.
May 09 04:59:29 * readme has had similar problems, especially on laptops
May 09 05:00:26 <serban> 05-09 04:51:32.736: W/dalvikvm(391): Unable to resolve superclass of Lro/android/LocationMap; (18), LocationMap is just the tutorial from android for google maps api, and its superclass is MapACtivity
May 09 05:00:40 <serban> Android and Google APIs version 8
May 09 05:01:52 <serban> i suppose i have to add maps.jar to the libs/ folder not only in the build path
May 09 05:02:04 <t0mless> indeed
May 09 05:02:08 <t0mless> Though
May 09 05:02:28 <t0mless> I thought MapActivity was already in the google APIS images
May 09 05:04:16 <t0mless> but i've never really used MapActivity
May 09 05:04:20 <t0mless> canadiancow prolly knows
May 09 05:04:24 <t0mless> he loves map activity
May 09 05:05:08 <t0mless> g00s I actually had a laptop keyboard go bad to where everytime I hit d or e keys, it put in a 3 as well
May 09 05:05:38 <readme> fortunately you can just replace the keyboard :)
May 09 05:05:47 <readme> once, I took a mac in for service in the pre apple store days.
May 09 05:05:57 <readme> I was missing an f1 key, I didn't ask them to replace the keyboard.
May 09 05:06:20 <readme> they took my nice clean keyboard and replaced it with one that was riddled with human hair
May 09 05:06:34 <readme> but I didn't realize it until I got home, then I cleaned all the hair out and stuff
May 09 05:06:47 <readme> shortly later, it was just stolen :)
May 09 05:07:13 <t0mless> lol
May 09 05:07:16 <t0mless> good story
May 09 05:07:23 <readme> the best part is it had gentoo on it
May 09 05:07:28 <readme> so whoever stole it got hosed.
May 09 05:07:43 <readme> i'll be buying a new one soon... after ptsd.
May 09 05:07:54 <t0mless> I need a new laptop
May 09 05:08:06 <readme> i need a laptop, period
May 09 05:08:43 <readme> its sad, my desktop would probably sell for $50 bucks tops.
May 09 05:09:27 * readme bedtime
May 09 05:11:51 <Leeds> night
May 09 05:18:48 <g00s> readme: do you remember that old powerbook scam :)
May 09 05:18:58 <g00s> the story, that is
May 09 05:19:11 <g00s> p-p-p-powerbook
May 09 05:19:33 <t0mless> Haha
May 09 05:19:36 <t0mless> I remember that
May 09 05:19:48 <g00s> that was classic
May 09 05:19:51 <t0mless> Agreed
May 09 05:20:12 <t0mless> Having to manually set the size of these label widgets is fucking stupid
May 09 05:20:25 <t0mless> it should automatically adjust to the text that is in it
May 09 05:21:05 <Grunewald> t0mless: what are you fighting with ?
May 09 05:21:13 <t0mless> androidplot
May 09 05:21:21 <Grunewald> ah IC
May 09 05:24:42 <vadi2> I'm managing to reliably... crash the emulator, and there's not much happening in logcat. Anything I should do?
May 09 05:25:06 <t0mless> crash the emulator?
May 09 05:25:11 <t0mless> or have your app crash?
May 09 05:25:25 <Grunewald> vadi2 try it on a real android device
May 09 05:25:26 <vadi2> crash the emulator.
May 09 05:25:32 <t0mless> o.O
May 09 05:25:38 <vadi2> Grunewald: doesn't happen on a real one, just wondering if I should report it
May 09 05:25:55 <t0mless> what type of crash?
May 09 05:26:03 <t0mless> and on what os?
May 09 05:26:05 <Grunewald> maybe if you can make the case simple and reproduceable
May 09 05:26:07 <vadi2> The emulator is just closing
May 09 05:26:30 <mahamoti> suppose I have a relative layout with a top menu aligned to the top, and a bottom menu aligned to the bottom.  how could i make a listview then fill all the space inbetween?
May 09 05:26:31 <vadi2> ubuntu 12, w/ gpu on, seems to be crashing when I open an edittext with a link in it that should get auto-linkified
May 09 05:26:36 <vadi2> nvidia drivers
May 09 05:27:31 <t0mless> try it on a new avd
May 09 05:27:53 <t0mless> not sure if emulator errors are logged somewhere
May 09 05:28:06 <vadi2> alright
May 09 05:28:47 <vadi2> what's happening btw: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/84880/out.ogv
May 09 05:29:14 <g00s> is there an 'intellij for idiots' guide to setting something passable up for android? i'm so used to eclipse, the last time i looked at it, it was confused as hell
May 09 05:30:01 <t0mless> It's pretty simple once you figure it out
May 09 05:30:23 <g00s> t0mless: you use it too ?
May 09 05:30:26 <t0mless> pretty much just have to tell it where sdk is, and create android sdk elements
May 09 05:30:27 <t0mless> yea
May 09 05:30:30 <Grunewald> vadi2 I would try to narrow it down, if you can show that it crashes when you have gpu on and off then the gpu isn't the problem, try it on a different os aso. I would contact anyone who works on the tools project http://tools.android.com/ Tor Norbye for example https://plus.google.com/116539451797396019960/about
May 09 05:30:48 <t0mless> g00s I can help ya set it up if you want
May 09 05:31:03 <vadi2> Grunewald: Alright, I'll try. Don't have another OS though, but if the new AVD does it, I'll see about gpu on/off
May 09 05:31:17 <g00s> t0mless: ok, let me take another stab at it :) thanks
May 09 05:33:05 <Grunewald> vadi2 there is also a google group for the tools project https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/adt-dev
May 09 05:33:10 <kselos> hi all
May 09 05:33:17 <vadi2> Grunewald: thanks for the links :)
May 09 05:37:35 <pragma-> woot, shaved at least 40% off the loading speed of my app
May 09 05:37:55 * pragma- hugs Debug.startMethodTracing() and System.currentTimeMillis()
May 09 05:41:28 <vadi2> pragma-: what'd you do?
May 09 05:41:51 <pragma-> vadi2: I identified some code paths that were poorly written
May 09 05:41:59 <vadi2> ah
May 09 05:43:16 <vadi2> Grunewald: happens on a new AVD but not with gpu off.
May 09 05:43:21 <pragma-> There was one loop that was checking a value from sharedprefs each iteration instead of caching the value, for one.
May 09 05:44:11 <pragma-> At over a thousand iterations, the msecs add up.
May 09 05:45:05 <t0mless> g00s I almost feel like it is going to be better to just put my own textviews inside a relative layout with this XYPlot
May 09 05:45:13 <t0mless> this LabelWidgets are fucking stupid
May 09 05:45:22 <t0mless> these*
May 09 05:45:34 <Grunewald> vadi2 you might be on to something probably worth posting in the adt groups
May 09 05:45:42 <vadi2> alright, posting.
May 09 05:53:13 <Zharf> wonder if it's possible to write share intent handlers?
May 09 05:53:35 <t0mless> you mean like a ShareActionProvider ?
May 09 05:55:37 <Zharf> no clue, I was just annoyed by how useless all the options are... ;) thanks for the pointer, will look into it when I get to work
May 09 05:58:44 <g00s> t0mless: i'm thinking about just writing my own graphing view :(
May 09 05:59:40 <g00s> i can' express how unenthusiastic i am about that
May 09 05:59:44 <g00s> *cant
May 09 05:59:56 <t0mless> Ha
May 09 06:00:01 <t0mless> open source it
May 09 06:00:04 <t0mless> so I can use it
May 09 06:02:35 <Zharf> gpl it so he can't
May 09 06:04:30 <g00s> hehe
May 09 06:05:10 <c2tarun> I have a contacts URI how can i get date of birth from it. Where can i find more about tables?
May 09 06:05:39 <g00s> hm, a friend of mine who worked at some sort of social media company wants me to write an article on what i think about android; problem is i don't like influencing people with my opinions really. thats why i left seminary; i don't want to tell people what to believe
May 09 06:08:17 <c2tarun> G00s can u plz hlp me. I will nt hv prob with ur opinion :-)
May 09 06:08:48 <Zharf> g00s, but people live to be influenced
May 09 06:09:01 <g00s> c2tarun: i haven't used the contacts provider. its complicated. i would probably wind up looking through the code :(
May 09 06:10:45 <Zharf> I di use contacts providers... didn't like it
May 09 06:10:50 <Zharf> did*
May 09 06:11:20 <Zharf> but imo the documentation was sufficient
May 09 06:11:31 <Zharf> for getting started at least
May 09 06:16:29 <g00s> man, the Visual Studio 11 RC is looking very nice
May 09 06:17:10 <g00s> basically, MS has a 'Director of User Experience, Tools Division'
May 09 06:17:20 <g00s> thats amazing, i think it shows
May 09 06:20:48 <g00s> shit, twenty_four_hour_time_format is not a public string resource
May 09 06:28:00 <hoangtran> hmm, haven't seen that VS grows abit too fast for me
May 09 06:30:00 <vadi2> What does the publishing page mean by '180w x 120h' for dimensions? It doesn't seem to be pixels. Is that just the desired ratio?
May 09 06:30:13 <`z> o.o
May 09 06:34:37 <RustyShackleford>  Can someone explain to me whats going on in the ArrayListFragment class of this example http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/view/ViewPager.html
May 09 06:34:40 <RustyShackleford> specifically the newInstance() method
May 09 06:36:10 <tank-man> i don't see a newInstance() method on that page
May 09 06:42:06 <pragma-> CPU optimizations -- now runs faster and uses less battery!
May 09 06:42:06 <pragma-> History loads at least 40% faster (depending on IO speeds)
May 09 06:42:07 <pragma-> Don't create uid string and name lower-casing until needed
May 09 06:42:07 <pragma-> Get uid string directly from StringPool when possible to avoid valueOf() calls
May 09 06:42:10 <pragma-> Cache lowercased names in StringPool to avoid toLowerCase() calls
May 09 06:42:12 <pragma-> Replace instances of toLowerCase() in tight loops with StringPool.getLowerCase()
May 09 06:42:15 <cagedwisdom> is there any way to block calls on android 4 now that google has removed permission.modify-phone-state ?
May 09 06:42:16 <pragma-> Replace pool.size() with StringPool.size field
May 09 06:42:18 <pragma-> StringPool now checks pool size only on additions
May 09 06:42:21 <pragma-> Setting max log entries now takes effect immediately
May 09 06:42:23 <pragma-> Cache max log entries value in Settings instead of always retrieving from prefs
May 09 06:42:26 <pragma-> oh shit
May 09 06:42:41 <pragma-> oops
May 09 06:45:14 <vadi2> the play publishing page is telling me "This application is available to over 0 devices.". Is that normal?
May 09 06:46:19 <tank-man> did you click save and it saved ok?
May 09 06:46:25 <vadi2> Yeah.
May 09 06:46:52 <tank-man> doesnt sound normal
May 09 06:47:50 <pragma-> I saw that once, think it was just a hiccup in google's processing.
May 09 06:50:13 <vadi2> alright
May 09 06:55:29 <nplus> Does anyone have any suggestions about handling exceptions/errors in an AIDL stub?
May 09 07:09:45 <Blou_Aap> when publishing an app, how can i filter it to be in my country only?
May 09 07:10:18 <Blou_Aap> because under publishing options I set it to South Africa, yet other countries can still see it...
May 09 07:10:20 <Blou_Aap> :/
May 09 07:10:28 <g00s> lol
May 09 07:14:59 <Younos> i wonder, is it possible to get a view that has a graphics palette, ie. 256 colors. instead of truecolor ?
May 09 07:18:28 <c2tarun> Need help in getting date of birth frm contacts can anyone plz help :-(
May 09 07:19:08 <c2tarun> G00s sorry i got disconnected that time.
May 09 07:20:06 <c2tarun> I wam writing a b'day remindr in which usr have to choose contact. Is thr anyothr way of reading dob??
May 09 07:24:52 <tank-man> c2tarun, so what are you stuck at?
May 09 07:25:05 <t0mless> hrm... what's the attribute to control the z-index of views?
May 09 07:25:16 <xLexi> does anyone know why my startForeground isnt working? http://pastebin.com/3AvR5aWG
May 09 07:25:23 <c2tarun> I cant find a way to query out dob frm url
May 09 07:28:27 <c2tarun> Tank-man u thr?
May 09 07:30:38 <tank-man> i havent worked with stuff like that, no idea, sorry
May 09 07:43:46 <cyfi> hello, I found this code and I'm trying to get to upload a photo to php upload form. http://pastebin.com/QC7UvFYf
May 09 07:43:59 <cyfi> can someone help please
May 09 07:54:17 <root66> cyfi: there is way more there than you need to be asking us to debug
May 09 07:54:21 <root66> pinpoint the problem
May 09 07:54:30 <root66> use logcat and trace it down
May 09 07:54:46 <root66> no one is going to help you otherwise
May 09 08:01:06 <xa0c> c2tarun: have you checked http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8579883/get-birthday-for-each-contact-in-android-application ?
May 09 08:01:58 <cyfi> root66 the problem is I don't know how to handle form inputs, the file gets sent to the server, just don't know how to send it right
May 09 08:02:25 <root66> you mean you don't know how to structure the http post?
May 09 08:02:35 <cyfi> yeah
May 09 08:02:45 <root66> Content-Type: whatever/whatever
May 09 08:03:03 <root66> Content-Length: data_size
May 09 08:03:07 <root66> blank line
May 09 08:03:09 <root66> data
May 09 08:03:59 <cyfi> well yeah, I have all that..
May 09 08:04:16 <cyfi> see I'm trying to add the file into the upload form
May 09 08:05:33 <root66> there is no content length in your header
May 09 08:05:37 <root66> I am looking right at it
May 09 08:05:48 <root66> why not just use apache HttpClient?
May 09 08:05:51 <cyfi> oh, hrm
May 09 08:05:52 <mvno_subscriber> i'm somewhat of an android newbie having inherited a horrible application. the thing is, we have a background service doing work and notifying the ui which in turn updates progress bars etc. Originally, this was a list that was updated using notifyDataSetChanged(). However, the service ran in the ui thread and everything was horrible. I managed to let the service run in the background, however now I need to fetch an Activ
May 09 08:06:00 <root66> isn't it part of the included libs now?
May 09 08:06:05 <cyfi> I don't know how to import it lol..
May 09 08:06:14 <cyfi> I was trying earlier..
May 09 08:06:46 <root66> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/client/package-summary.html
May 09 08:06:51 <root66> org.apache.http.client
May 09 08:06:52 <Ivru> you cannot send a multipart using HttpClient
May 09 08:06:57 <Ivru> beware
May 09 08:07:09 <root66> Ivru: fair enough
May 09 08:07:12 <root66> he is just uploading a png though
May 09 08:07:40 <root66> regardless, you need content length
May 09 08:08:35 <root66> I am not auditing your network code, but there is nothing wrong with doing it this way as long as your header is right
May 09 08:08:38 <root66> which in this case it is not
May 09 08:11:48 <cyfi> well I get  HTTP/1.1 200 OK
May 09 08:12:13 <cyfi> with or without lenght
May 09 08:12:38 <cyfi> then server returns <title>501 Method Not Implemented</title>
May 09 08:15:03 <cyfi> the php code http://pastebin.com/UmA8bt2u
May 09 08:20:14 <trinode> if I decompress a layout repeatedly adding it to a linear layout, is there some way I can identify them / mark them so I can tell which is which?
May 09 08:21:08 <simh> what is the correct way to display numeric information about seekbar change? For example when the user sets the seekbar to the middle I want to display the information 50. Or maybe there is something better to use than seekbar? I am using it to set a threshold for some action
May 09 08:23:41 <alankila> I think we all use seekbars for this
May 09 08:24:10 <t0mless> String.valueOf(seekBar.getProgress())
May 09 08:24:22 <alankila> No idea about what you mean by correct. When a seekbar is being adjusted, the listener fires, at start, at drag, and at end. So you just change some textfield from these events
May 09 08:24:48 <t0mless> Precisely what he said
May 09 08:26:02 <simh> alankila: t0mless, I mean that using toast to display the value would have to be delayed somehow, so it would show only the last value and not the whole range
May 09 08:26:14 <alankila> so you use the end drag event
May 09 08:26:31 <simh> alankila: how to do it? didn't see anything like that in the docu
May 09 08:26:54 <t0mless> huh?
May 09 08:27:11 <t0mless> You can have a textview that is updated as you drag if you want
May 09 08:27:33 <t0mless> not sure what you're looking for
May 09 08:28:16 <alankila>                         public void onStopTrackingTouch(SeekBar arg0) {
May 09 08:28:19 <alankila> try looking for that
May 09 08:28:23 <simh> t0mless: no, I want to display the value after the user takes the finger off the seekbar
May 09 08:28:28 <alankila> from OnSeekBarChangeListener
May 09 08:29:07 <simh> alankila: ok, thanks
May 09 08:30:35 <trinode> in a listview can you add a "tag" / id or something when you add a child so you can identify the entry?
May 09 08:34:34 <xa0c> use yout own 'entries' and custom adapters than you may get not an entry but an object of type you put in the list. (every view have setTag/getTag methods, btw)
May 09 08:37:42 <trinode> xa0c: I think that's what  need get/setTag
May 09 08:37:50 <trinode> * I need
May 09 08:37:53 <trinode> thanks
May 09 08:50:09 <vamadir> Can some body doing app for me? I want doing something like online TVs.
May 09 08:54:20 <trinode> one thing I cannot seem to work out, is if we used a SQLiteOpenHelper to create and populate a database, how do we delete it?
May 09 08:54:47 <trinode> basically I want a "reset all data" feature in my app
May 09 08:55:09 <trinode> so deleting the whole db seems easiest
May 09 09:08:35 <xa0c> trinode: why "drop table" sql request doesnt fit your needs?
May 09 09:11:25 <xa0c> in any case, when you create db it should be located at /data/data/your.app/youdbname.db, you're always may use simple file delete
May 09 09:11:47 <SimonVT> It should be, yes
May 09 09:11:48 <SimonVT> Might not be
May 09 09:12:19 <agu10^> hey guys
May 09 09:12:36 <xa0c> I'm pretty sure that dropping the table is better way for 'reset'.
May 09 09:13:46 <SimonVT> yep
May 09 09:17:23 <storkme_> can i drop something into an sqlite database in an UncaughtExceptionHandler ?
May 09 09:17:49 <storkme_> or rather - are there any cases where this wouldn't be possible?
May 09 09:18:18 <xa0c> at least, if it is some db-related exception :)
May 09 09:18:26 <storkme_> heh
May 09 09:20:52 <storkme_> so I wrote some thing that when it crashes it'll dump the exception to a database
May 09 09:23:50 <Ge0rG> why not send it to the cloud?
May 09 09:24:00 <storkme_> that's the next part
May 09 09:24:03 <storkme_> db first, cloud later
May 09 09:24:43 * Ge0rG is using com.nullwire.trace as a drop-in cloud uploader for uncaught exceptions
May 09 09:24:57 <Ge0rG> all you need is a box running php somewhere
May 09 09:25:47 <fliiipy> What is the recommended way of stopping an Android thread?
May 09 09:28:11 <hoangtran> Ge0rG: have a look at ACRA, all you need is a G form :)
May 09 09:30:34 <xa0c> SimonVT: I didn't use sqlite in the android yet, in what cases db location differs from default? I read that, it uses path according to Context, so I think it's placed when your's app is placed. (I do not know about 'installing app on sd card', btw, too silly yet). Just checked: looks like this path could be obtained by .getFilesDir() method.
May 09 09:33:21 <jeppy> how can i create an empty file on the sdcard?
May 09 09:33:51 <Ge0rG> hoangtran: I prefer self-hosting, kthx
May 09 09:35:31 <xa0c> jeppy: check it: Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory()
May 09 09:35:58 <jeppy> yes but I want to create an empty file
May 09 09:35:59 <hoangtran> yeah, maybe I'm old (lazy), I like putting it somewhere other than my box, until my boss create a task to implement that ;)
May 09 09:36:22 <jeppy> File.createNewFile() doesn't work
May 09 09:45:10 <Criztian> it's funny how you can start wi-fi while on aero mode
May 09 09:46:02 <Criztian> (offline mode) Just happened now on my galaxy
May 09 09:46:12 <Ge0rG> Criztian: it is funny how you can disable airplane mode while in airplane mode....
May 09 09:46:25 <Criztian> no, they coexisted
May 09 09:47:09 <Criztian> my phone was in offline mode and I turned on wi-fi and both icons were there
May 09 09:47:32 <Criztian> and I could update stuff as if online
May 09 09:48:14 <simh> can somebody tell me why this: tvThreshold.setText(R.string.tvThresholdString + " " + progress); converts my string to int? progress is an int
May 09 09:48:17 <Ge0rG> Criztian: you can manually enable wifi in airplane mode, yes. this is a feature though
May 09 09:48:48 <Criztian> Ge0rG, so wi-fi is not the problem on airplanes?
May 09 09:48:49 <Ge0rG> simh: because R.string.tvThresholdString is an int as well
May 09 09:49:13 <Ge0rG> Criztian: it depends on whom you ask. some planes actually offer wifi internet access in-flight
May 09 09:49:31 <UnbertKant> Hello everyone!
May 09 09:49:33 <Criztian> oh ok, that's new to me
May 09 09:49:33 <Ge0rG> Criztian: tx power on wifi is limited to 100mW, GSM phones used to transmit at up to 4W
May 09 09:49:40 <xa0c> jeppy: have you set WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission?
May 09 09:49:41 <simh> Ge0rG: so... what is the proper way to setText in textview?
May 09 09:50:02 <Ge0rG> simh: getText(R.string.tvThresholdString) + " " + progress
May 09 09:50:04 <Criztian> Ge0rG: now I got you
May 09 09:50:38 <Ge0rG> simh: or even better: make your string contain "progress: %d", then you can getText(R.string.tvThresholdString, progress) and it will be put into place automagically
May 09 09:51:27 <simh> Ge0rG: getText()?
May 09 09:51:56 <Criztian> Ge0rG: the funny thing is that people think that wi-fi is worse for your health than cell phones
May 09 09:55:18 <Ge0rG> simh: yes. setText(getText).
May 09 09:55:27 <Ge0rG> simh: Context.getText to be precise
May 09 09:55:47 <Ge0rG> Criztian: the funny thing is that people think wifi will crash your airplane.
May 09 09:56:06 <simh> Ge0rG: thanks
May 09 09:56:07 <Criztian> lol
May 09 09:56:11 <xa0c> let's leave 'the funny thing is that people think' only
May 09 09:59:17 <Criztian> I use my neighbour's internet access (with consent XD) and wi-fi's power is so low that when they get out of their home my connection stops until they move away XD
May 09 09:59:41 <UnbertKant> When I display some images I downloaded in my app, I get weird dithering artifacts. How can I prevent that?
May 09 10:00:09 <UnbertKant> The images are jpgs, loaded to sd and they don't have these artifacts in the downloaded file, only when I display them in the GUI.
May 09 10:00:11 <UnbertKant> Why could that be?
May 09 10:02:51 <tapas> hmm, so there's no way to get arround passing context references around
May 09 10:02:59 <tapas> even if i just want to access the application context?
May 09 10:03:17 <tapas> i just need access to a raw resource in a deeply nested function..
May 09 10:03:27 <tapas> and i would hate to drag all the contexts around
May 09 10:20:50 <parco> so if i wanted to draft a few guys on to work on an app...
May 09 10:20:56 <parco> split the $
May 09 10:21:24 <parco> would this be the place to find some qualified individuals
May 09 10:29:54 <xa0c> parco: why not to use rentacoder/vworker? "Please don't advertise websites, jobs, or contracts" © topic
May 09 10:30:24 <parco> was looking to put together more of a team, more personal
May 09 10:30:41 <parco> this is not something that will be able to pay out any time soon
May 09 10:31:03 <parco> if i wasnt a damn ee major id know some people
May 09 10:59:43 <UnbertKant> Is there a way to prevent dithering?
May 09 11:03:09 <storkme_> if i want to test something on android that requires a context how do i do that?
May 09 11:03:35 <JakeWharton> new Activity()
May 09 11:07:46 <storkme_> should I be using AndroidTestCase?
May 09 11:10:10 <storkme_> can I even test library projects?
May 09 11:11:51 <JakeWharton> I don't know, and yes
May 09 11:11:53 <JakeWharton> respectively
May 09 11:15:23 <kaspuh> Hello, I am trying to pass a bitmap between two activities. I have put the bitmap inside the intent using putExtra("bitmap", mBitmap); but how do I get it out on the other side ?
May 09 11:15:58 <jellenagels> Bitmap bmp = (Bitmap)getIntent().getParcelableExtra("bitmap");
May 09 11:16:10 <kaspuh> tyvm
May 09 11:16:41 * g00s is a little behing, and just finished watching Predators. it kinda sucked :(
May 09 11:16:46 <g00s> *behind
May 09 11:19:23 <g00s> i think whoever wrote DateFormat, SimpleDateFormat … should be banned from programming forever
May 09 11:20:23 * Chainfire mutters something similar about the person who decided to make AsyncTask serial by default in Android 4.0
May 09 11:20:48 <Chainfire> or the person who decided secondary external storage should be R/O
May 09 11:20:54 * Chainfire could go on ...
May 09 11:21:30 <Cor3_> hey there, got a question. (^^) is there a possibility to remember the contact picked in com.whatsapp.ContactPicker?
May 09 11:27:10 <hrnt> Chainfire: the same thing should be done to the person who wrote AsyncTask in the first place :P
May 09 11:27:46 * g00s knows who that is ...
May 09 11:27:53 * g00s whistles
May 09 11:29:47 <Chainfire> hrnt> true!
May 09 11:29:57 <Chainfire> hrnt> but it was "fixed" before I jumped into Android ;)
May 09 11:30:26 <Chainfire> I imagine for Android 5.0, they will just refrain from running AsyncTasks at all
May 09 11:30:34 <Chainfire> too make coding easier and compatibility less, and all that
May 09 11:31:51 <Knossos> Has there been any information about what may or may not be in the next Androi version?
May 09 11:32:13 <Knossos> Or indeed the next Android version ;P
May 09 11:32:39 <g00s> looking at the source code for DateFormat, it has a getter and setter for a numberFormat … and its not even fucking used.
May 09 11:33:23 <Chainfire> looking at date, time, and calendar functions in any library is a surefire way to have a bad time.
May 09 11:33:25 <[deXter]> Knossos, a "d".
May 09 11:34:14 <tapas> oh man..  i followed this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2642777/trusting-all-certificates-using-httpclient-over-https/6378872#6378872
May 09 11:34:28 <tapas> to be able to trust a self signed certificate on our test machine..
May 09 11:34:48 <tapas> interesting: it works great on an android 3.x device, but fails on our 2.x devices
May 09 11:35:11 <tapas> on the latter it fails  with: class javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Not trusted server certificate
May 09 11:35:32 <davasaurous> I have a question, and google isn't helping.. so I figured I'd come here. If you're using a DB in your app and you're writing to it, and the user recieves a phone call and you get interrupted.. what happens? As you've probably guessed I'm pretty new to android development. :)
May 09 11:35:36 <tapas> the bouncy castles provider seems to be the same version on both android versions..
May 09 11:36:33 <alankila> davasaurous: android is multiprocessing system. Your application is not interrupted.
May 09 11:36:41 <tapas> davasaurous: does the DB have an automated rollback?
May 09 11:36:58 <tapas> alankila: the system might kill the process in a low mem situation
May 09 11:37:09 <tapas> davasaurous: what DB are you using?
May 09 11:38:22 <davasaurous> tapas it's a theoretical question, assuming rollback it rolls back then, and is all good? alankila so the onPause events are purely telling you to stop anything that might mess up the user experience (eg. music during phone call), not telling you you're dead and clean yourself up?
May 09 11:38:28 <storkme_> i have no idea how you're supposed to test a library project.. just created a test project for the library, added the library as a dependancy and it keeps whining that it can't find the instrumentation target package.. any ideas?
May 09 11:39:22 <Jug6ernaut> "instrumentation target package"?
May 09 11:40:05 <storkme_> Test run failed: Unable to find instrumentation target package: com.mylibrary.package
May 09 11:40:32 <Jug6ernaut> wtf lol
May 09 11:41:03 <Jug6ernaut> librar project b4...just make an android project, check "is project" then include as android project
May 09 11:41:08 <Jug6ernaut> so basically
May 09 11:41:11 * Jug6ernaut has no idea
May 09 11:41:57 <storkme_> yeah, I did that
May 09 11:42:19 <storkme_> ah
May 09 11:42:42 <storkme_> it worked, I had to change the manifest package to the package of my library project I want to test
May 09 11:42:48 <g00s> Chainfire: how is your camera app doing ?
May 09 11:42:59 <KineticColor> So boreeddd
May 09 11:43:02 <Chainfire> g00s> pretty well
May 09 11:43:06 <g00s> :)
May 09 11:43:12 <Chainfire> paid for my 5D Mark III, hehe
May 09 11:43:23 <g00s> :D
May 09 11:44:36 <Krabbe> you got money dude :/
May 09 11:44:50 <Krabbe> What lenses do you have for your DSLR?
May 09 11:45:38 <code1> How can I cancel a service if the activity that started it crashes?
May 09 11:46:19 <Chainfire> code1> if it truly crashes, the entire process is killed, including the service
May 09 11:46:28 <Chainfire> so if the service restarts depends on the flags you use at startup
May 09 11:46:34 <Chainfire> (if im not mistaken, I dont use services much)
May 09 11:47:09 <code1> Chainfire: seems my service is still running! :/
May 09 11:47:09 <storkme_> is it normal to have to change the visibility of some member methods so that testing will work?
May 09 11:47:37 <hrnt> code1: are you sure it wasn't restarted?
May 09 11:48:23 <code1> hrnt: I'll check...
May 09 11:48:56 <lamalama> Hey, i'm getting  this error when trying to export signed apk: No .class files were found in project "facebook", so none of the classfile based checks could be run. Does the project need to be built first? ---  google didn't help much, anyone seen this before?
May 09 11:50:48 <Chainfire> code1> reread http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html start-to-finish. Service restart behavior depends on the way the service is started, and the return value of onStartCommand (depending on android version, on older versions I believe it depends on onStart), and whether or not the service runs in its own process
May 09 11:51:12 <Chainfire> its tricky to get right, and behavior will differ between Android versions. Google for a compat solution covering all API levels you wish to support.
May 09 11:51:24 <Chainfire> (alternatively: make sure your software doesn't crash ;))
May 09 11:52:48 <code1> hrnt, Chainfire: thanks, it is being restarted - I'll have a read and see if I can fix it.
May 09 11:53:57 <code1> Chainfire: yes making sure it doesn't crash is the best solution! ;) (though I need to plan for the unexpected!)
May 09 11:57:56 <napster> I need to show an activity inside another activity. Currently I do it using a tabhost with a tab widget with 0dip height and it looks pretty working fine :) But it seems to be not the best solution available. Can someone tell me how exactly one should do this?
May 09 11:58:20 <SimonVT> Use fragments
May 09 12:00:07 <Knossos> Is there any scientific way to determine how much battery my App is using up?
May 09 12:00:47 <Chainfire> Knossos> no
May 09 12:00:52 <g00s> Knossos: the answer is always "too much" :)
May 09 12:01:01 <Knossos> heh
May 09 12:01:08 <Chainfire> and the built in Android facilities that display battery usage <per whatever> are naieve and unreliable
May 09 12:01:26 <Chainfire> various things you read when you search for this will point you at those... dont trust 'em
May 09 12:01:51 <Knossos> I don't trust any normal readouts. I heard that a lot of devices actually display falsely that the battery is full for a while after being charged fully.
May 09 12:02:13 <Knossos> To reduce the number of calls to tech support complaining of diminishing battery life.
May 09 12:03:17 <Cor3_> its not that they show their full
May 09 12:03:20 <Cor3_> they're
May 09 12:03:24 <Cor3_> well.. it is
May 09 12:03:30 <SimonVT> I'd guess all of them. It's not a good idea to keep the battery fully charged, so once it hits 100%, it'll let it drop down to 90% before charging again
May 09 12:03:52 <SimonVT> 90% may differ from device to device
May 09 12:03:57 <Cor3_> yeah, basically what i was about to say. :x
May 09 12:04:15 <SimonVT> If user unplugs charger and sees it's at 92%, they'll complain without knowing why it's at 92%
May 09 12:04:22 <code1> why is it not good to keep it fully charged?
May 09 12:04:32 <Knossos> Yeah, that was it SimonVT.
May 09 12:04:44 <Knossos> code1: Keeping it plugged in destroys battery life
May 09 12:04:57 <SimonVT> Wears down the abttery faster
May 09 12:05:13 <code1> I heard that's a myth from previous battery technology that no longer applies.
May 09 12:05:16 <SimonVT> If storing a battery I believe the recommended level is 40%
May 09 12:05:27 <SimonVT> Lithium battery that is
May 09 12:08:07 <code1> SimonVT: why would unplugging cause it to drop to 92%?
May 09 12:08:15 <code1> for example.
May 09 12:08:39 <CallumTaylor> sup
May 09 12:08:42 <SimonVT> When you plug in your charger it'll charge to 100%
May 09 12:08:50 <SimonVT> It'll stop charging and let the battery discharge a bit
May 09 12:09:06 <SimonVT> Once it hits 90%, or whatever level specified, it'll charge up to 100% again
May 09 12:09:27 <CallumTaylor> having a problem with overridePendingTransition, I want my splash screen to animate out over the top of the next activity, but setting 0 for the enterAnim stops the animations from working all together
May 09 12:09:31 <SimonVT> The phone will still tell you it's fully charged
May 09 12:09:57 <code1> SimonVT: I see.
May 09 12:10:30 <CallumTaylor> I've tried putting it in the onPause of my splash activity, and in the onCreate of my main activity, but same problem
May 09 12:10:46 <CallumTaylor> i've also tried using a 'hold' animation instead of 0, but same problem
May 09 12:11:04 <SimonVT> Imagine the amount of support calls if user unplugged their charger after leaving it the night over, and battery meter read 90%
May 09 12:12:24 <code1> So when it is unplugged it will still read as 100% even though it might be at 91%?
May 09 12:12:32 <SimonVT> Yes
May 09 12:12:59 <code1> So at what point does it display at it's true value?
May 09 12:13:19 <SimonVT> After some time
May 09 12:13:27 <SimonVT> Can't drop too fast or user gets suspicious
May 09 12:13:28 <Chainfire> there's hardly such a thing
May 09 12:13:40 <Chainfire> even if you look at the % the battery driver gives you
May 09 12:13:42 <Chainfire> that's hardly reliable
May 09 12:14:04 <SimonVT> There's also that
May 09 12:14:14 <Chainfire> round it to the nearest 10%, maybe it's "somewhat" reliable
May 09 12:15:03 <code1> If you ask the system does it give you the displayed value or the "truer" value?
May 09 12:15:16 <code1> from an app i mean
May 09 12:17:45 <dzan> when using an sql database does is make sense to cache a set of +- 40 rows in the object ( hashmap ) if they are constant and often retrieved? or will caching be done anyway somewhere in the sql code and will this have no effect?
May 09 12:18:26 <embed> Hi, I'm trying to open socket and for some reason I'm getting 'source not found' any1 knows why? or what I should do?
May 09 12:19:38 <xa0c> Guys, what to read about testing android apps? I mean: mock/unit testing.
May 09 12:20:17 <gaz`> guys my n1 is no longer recognised by windows not matter what i do - changed usb cable rebooted etc, anyone know about this or is my n1 just broken somehow?
May 09 12:20:30 <CallumTaylor> anyone know how to do activity transitions?
May 09 12:21:00 <gaz`> CallumTaylor directly after u call startactivity u can use
May 09 12:21:00 <gaz`> overridePendingTransition(R.anim.push_up_in,R.anim.push_up_out);
May 09 12:21:10 <gaz`> simple as that!
May 09 12:21:14 <CallumTaylor> yeah, but what if i only want to animate the outgoing activity
May 09 12:21:20 <CallumTaylor> when i put 0 for the enteranim
May 09 12:21:21 <SimonVT> Make an animation that does nothing
May 09 12:21:25 <CallumTaylor> the animations stop all together
May 09 12:21:28 <CallumTaylor> tried tht
May 09 12:21:30 <CallumTaylor> same problem
May 09 12:21:34 <gaz`> i dont know what to do if my n1 is bust im screwed
May 09 12:22:01 <SimonVT> Maybe the new activity is animated in on top of the splash screen
May 09 12:22:06 <lamalama> Hey, i'm getting  this error when trying to export signed apk: No .class files were found in project "facebook", so none of the classfile based checks could be run. Does the project need to be built first? ---  google didn't help much, anyone seen this before?
May 09 12:22:18 <CallumTaylor> how would i get the splash to animate out over the top of the main view?
May 09 12:22:29 <Jug6ernaut> gaz`: could always use wireless adb if usb is broked
May 09 12:22:49 <CallumTaylor> i would have thought overridePendingTransition(0, x.ui.R.anim.slide_up_out); would be fine… but 0 just stops the animations working all together
May 09 12:23:04 <SimonVT> Maybe don't make the splash screen an Activity
May 09 12:23:50 <wongk> lamalama: does your project have a build error?
May 09 12:24:08 <SimonVT> If the new Activity appears on top of the splash activity, with no animation, it's pretty obvious you wouldn't be able to see the splash activity animating
May 09 12:24:24 <CallumTaylor> right, is there anyway to reorder the activities
May 09 12:24:29 <CallumTaylor> so the splash will be on top
May 09 12:24:33 <SimonVT> lamalama: That's just lint telling you it can't run classfile based checks
May 09 12:25:02 <SimonVT> Shouldn't stop you from exporting
May 09 12:25:13 <dzan> when using an sql database does is make sense to cache a set of +- 40 rows in the object ( hashmap ) if they are constant and often retrieved? or will caching be done anyway somewhere in the sql code and will this have no effect?
May 09 12:25:16 <SimonVT> There's probably other issues that's causing it to fail
May 09 12:25:32 <dzan> I guess it will? there will only have to be made 1 query on startup?
May 09 12:25:43 <Jug6ernaut> dzan how much memory do the constants take up
May 09 12:26:05 <dzan> Jug6ernaut, object headers + 2 strings + 1 int
May 09 12:26:21 <alankila> dzan: you should actually benchmark it, but I would start from no-caching case and just validate that there's no harm to ignoring the caching
May 09 12:26:23 * Jug6ernaut says just cache them
May 09 12:26:24 <dzan> strings of max +- 15 chars
May 09 12:26:40 <alankila> and if your query is an indexable query, then especialy I would not worry about it, it'll find the right rows very fast in all likelihood
May 09 12:26:41 <lamalama> SimonVT: it works when i run it on my device, and the error appears only when i try to export the signed apk
May 09 12:26:47 <alankila> I'd only worry about incessant table scans
May 09 12:27:23 <wongk> caching would certainly be much faster than db io
May 09 12:27:24 <dzan> alankila, Jug6ernaut but doing a query doesn't that cause overhead enough? sure it finds them but method calls,...
May 09 12:27:31 <wongk> i would cache on demand
May 09 12:27:32 <dzan> wongk, thx :p thought so
May 09 12:27:37 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> hi
May 09 12:28:18 <dzan> wongk, sure but that's an "extra feature" for now it will only be about 20 objects or something or how do you mean "on demand" exactly
May 09 12:28:24 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Does TextView draw immediately if I call setText?
May 09 12:28:35 <alankila> I would measure an effect, if any
May 09 12:28:39 <alankila> I hate code that is unnecessary
May 09 12:28:45 <wongk> dzan: it gets cached when it is first needed
May 09 12:28:46 <Jug6ernaut> ^^^
May 09 12:29:07 <dzan> wongk, indeed was the plan, making a "ObjectRepo" a singleton class
May 09 12:29:09 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> For example, textView.setText("a"); textView.setText("b"), will it draw two times
May 09 12:29:14 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> or just one time
May 09 12:29:17 <alankila> some stuff that needs to be written because otherwise it won't work CAN be tricky, it has right to be. But adding any bit of code on an unvalidated hunch doesn't strike me as very smart, if you can't reason what the performance should be in advance
May 09 12:29:19 <dzan> when an instance is requested it loads them in from the db ( all of the objects )
May 09 12:29:22 <SimonVT> jimmy_lo_chien_f: Just one
May 09 12:29:39 <SimonVT> jimmy_lo_chien_f: Draws are posted to the handler, they don't happen immediately
May 09 12:29:55 <CallumTaylor> thanks anyway daz and Simon, what ill do instead is fade the new activity in whilst the old slides out, will just have to do :)
May 09 12:31:04 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> You mean the queue keeps only one draw message if I call setText this way
May 09 12:31:31 <SimonVT> Yes
May 09 12:31:35 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> OK
May 09 12:31:39 <SimonVT> setText will cause the TextView to invalidate itself
May 09 12:32:03 <SimonVT> That basically tells the framework "ask me to draw when you get a chance"
May 09 12:32:49 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> will it remove the draw message if there is already another draw message
May 09 12:33:12 <alankila> there is no draw message, merely a draw flag, I think
May 09 12:33:24 <SimonVT> yep
May 09 12:33:38 <alankila> it can even be a damage region
May 09 12:34:18 <SimonVT> When the view is invalidated it will set a flag, as well as notify the parent
May 09 12:34:26 <SimonVT> If the draw flag is already set, invalidate() does nothing
May 09 12:34:34 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> OK
May 09 12:34:44 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I see
May 09 12:34:51 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> SimonVT, thank you
May 09 12:35:25 <gaz`> thank god i gave my mate a free nexus one anbd he still has it and has upgraded
May 09 12:35:36 <gaz`> so gonna grab that, its weird its like the port on my phone is dead
May 09 12:35:41 <gaz`> windows always says not recognised
May 09 12:36:21 <wongk> gaz`: if you happen to come across any more of those free nexus ones, feel free to let me know ;)
May 09 12:38:15 <lamalama> :
May 09 12:42:43 <embed> Hi, I'm trying to open socket and for some reason I'm getting 'source not found' any1 knows why? or what I should do?
May 09 12:47:10 <gaz`> wongk hehe ok
May 09 12:47:19 <gaz`> google were a bit more generous back then
May 09 12:47:33 <gaz`> altho from them ive had 2 nexus ones a g1 and a htc flyer!
May 09 12:47:44 <gaz`> and id have had google tv if i was a yankeee
May 09 12:47:46 <gaz`> :)
May 09 12:47:58 <wongk> where do i sign up for that? :P
May 09 12:48:06 <gaz`> hehehe
May 09 12:48:15 <gaz`> one was for adc2 as i was in final
May 09 12:48:23 <gaz`> one was for >5000 dls i think in the early days
May 09 12:48:33 <gaz`> and others from conferences
May 09 12:50:36 <gaz`> Leeds didnt ur device die too? its weird it works fine but winblows always says not recognised
May 09 12:52:05 <code1> I want to do a check in the onCreate of a service. If it fails, how should I kill the service before it starts?
May 09 12:53:08 <wongk> code1: stopSelf()
May 09 12:53:47 <code1> wongk: will that work even before it's started?
May 09 12:54:11 <wongk> one way to find out
May 09 12:54:43 <code1> true
May 09 12:54:47 <Jug6ernaut> reading offical docs?
May 09 12:56:53 <wongk> seems probably better done in onStartCommand
May 09 13:01:23 <Cor3_> I've created an intent to open WhatsApp's contact picker, and included a message (EXTRA_TEXT), so you can share stuff from within the app to WhatsApp. works fine so far, but I'm looking for a possibility to terminate the WA activity right after the message is sent. Is that possible?
May 09 13:01:31 <storkme> anyone ever heard of the overflow meny not working when using actionbarsherlock on a galaxy s2?
May 09 13:01:58 <SimonVT> Yep
May 09 13:02:11 <SimonVT> Native implementation doesn't allow forcing the overflow menu
May 09 13:02:12 <dragorn> Cor3_: Not an answer to your question, but, why?  If android needs the resources and you're not in the foreground, it will kill you
May 09 13:03:15 <dragorn> Cor3_: oh; you're not WhatsApp, that's another program?  No, you can't kill them.
May 09 13:03:30 <storkme> so it's a problem with the galaxy s2's shitty version of ICS?
May 09 13:03:46 <SimonVT> It's the default behavior
May 09 13:03:51 <Cor3_> Too bad. :/
May 09 13:03:58 <SimonVT> if the device has a menu button, no overflow button is shown
May 09 13:04:06 <dragorn> Cor3_: if apps could kill other apps, Bad Things would result eventually
May 09 13:04:09 <SimonVT> Doesn't matter if it's a s2, or any other device
May 09 13:04:10 <storkme> it works on other devices
May 09 13:04:24 <storkme> I am using the .ForceOverflow theme
May 09 13:04:33 <SimonVT> It works on <ICS devices
May 09 13:04:39 <Cor3_> Sounds logical. ;)
May 09 13:04:40 <SimonVT> Cus that's a custom ActionBar implementation
May 09 13:04:47 <SimonVT> >= ICS uses the native actionbar
May 09 13:05:00 <storkme> ah
May 09 13:05:18 <storkme> i'm overriding the behaviour of the menu button in my app
May 09 13:05:31 <storkme> so is there another workaround?
May 09 13:05:36 <SimonVT> Nope
May 09 13:05:49 <storkme> balls.
May 09 13:06:00 <Cor3_> And how about remembering the chosen WA contact?
May 09 13:06:42 <dragorn> Cor3_: only if it returns it to you in an intent or something
May 09 13:07:11 <mbarisa> did anyone work with custom videoview so i can for example disable canSeekBackward and set it to false for example..
May 09 13:07:18 <Cor3_> Okay, gonna look after that. ;)
May 09 13:13:11 <XeruX> I'm working on an app where the user is able to capture audio and store them as .3gp-files. How would I go on about concatonating these recordsings?
May 09 13:17:42 <Cor3_> Now I know that it has extras (I/ActivityManager(  233): START {flg=0x14000000 cmp=com.whatsapp/.Conversation (has extras)} from pid 8746) but I can't find a method to get those extras without being the app...
May 09 13:25:39 <simh> why SensorEvent returns different values, for the same motion, for different phones? How can I make it more... consistent?
May 09 13:26:50 <simh> i am talking about accelerometer
May 09 13:34:05 <dmalice> hi guys, anyone here have any experience with accessing ffmpeg through JNI?
May 09 13:34:51 <Kristophwa> evening
May 09 13:36:48 <dmalice> I'm having trouble getting ffmpeg to decode frames of a video to png, I can get it to decode video to an AVFrame and write the AVFrame to a ppm file, but the ppm file comes out in black and white, and when i try to write it to png instead, the file is corrupt and i'm not sure if it's because i'm writing the png header incorrectly or if the data just needs to be decoded differently first
May 09 13:36:48 <dmalice> before being written
May 09 13:37:42 <dan82au> is this the place for xcode ?
May 09 13:37:58 <dan82au> joking :P
May 09 13:39:23 <dmalice> otherwise, does anybody know if it's possible to execute ffmpeg binary using Runtime.exec() on a non-rooted phone?
May 09 13:39:28 <dan82au> this might be more java related - but if i have an array md - String blah [][];
May 09 13:39:55 <Jug6ernaut> depends if the binaries were included in the rom or not, should be yes hto
May 09 13:40:07 <dan82au> why do i always gets a null pointer when i blah[int][1] = etc;
May 09 13:40:28 <dmalice> because you haven't set a size on the array
May 09 13:40:50 <dan82au> dmalice but i cant set the size with an int ?
May 09 13:40:54 <wongk> did you initialze each string array in the array?
May 09 13:40:57 <dan82au> if i have string array ?
May 09 13:41:18 <dmalice> no, you have to initialize each "row" of the 2d array
May 09 13:41:47 <dan82au> i have a static array [][] then have the size declared later with array.length [static num]
May 09 13:42:22 <dmalice> you must do something like:
May 09 13:42:33 <dmalice> static String blah[4][3];
May 09 13:42:43 <Jug6ernaut> not initialized
May 09 13:42:46 <wongk> dmalice: fwiw, cm7 does not have ffmpeg in the PATH
May 09 13:42:47 <dmalice> then you can access it like blah[int][1] = "asd"
May 09 13:42:50 <dan82au> cheers dmalice ill give it a shot
May 09 13:43:02 <canadiancow|work> textView.setText("X"); textView.setText("X"); <-- does the second call to #setText(CharSequence) cause the TextView to invalidate, or is it smart enough to realize nothing's changed?
May 09 13:43:27 <Jug6ernaut> canadicancow|work probably have to check source
May 09 13:43:35 <canadiancow|work> doing that
May 09 13:43:41 <canadiancow|work> was just hoping id get an answer first :)
May 09 13:43:48 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 09 13:43:48 <SimonVT> It is smart
May 09 13:44:01 <SimonVT> Answered the same question earlier :p
May 09 13:44:14 * Jug6ernaut loves how checking if the val changed is considered "smart" hehe
May 09 13:44:18 <dmalice> I don't think there are ffmpeg binaries built into any roms. I've actually cross-compiled ffmpeg using the ndk (ffmpeg is a c library), so I have an arm-7 binary, but the problem is when I try to call Runtime.exec() commands on it i get an access denied exception, and exec-ing a chmod doesn't seem to have any eeffect
May 09 13:44:31 <SimonVT> Oh wait
May 09 13:44:33 <SimonVT> Like that
May 09 13:44:36 <SimonVT> Probably not smart
May 09 13:44:41 <Jug6ernaut> xD
May 09 13:44:45 <canadiancow|work> wut
May 09 13:44:55 <dmalice> I doubt it's smart enough canadiancow
May 09 13:45:02 <canadiancow|work> yea i dont think it is
May 09 13:45:18 <canadiancow|work> im not sure it matters in most cases
May 09 13:45:21 <dmalice> yeah
May 09 13:45:25 <canadiancow|work> but i think we have a few screens where we call an updateUi() method or something
May 09 13:45:28 <canadiancow|work> and it sets *everything*
May 09 13:45:32 <dmalice> it's probably too simple an operation that they didn't bother putting in a check
May 09 13:45:36 <canadiancow|work> regardless of whether anything's changed
May 09 13:45:41 <canadiancow|work> text, images, etc
May 09 13:45:48 <SimonVT> Nothing about textview is simple :p
May 09 13:45:57 <dmalice> relatively speaking of course
May 09 13:45:58 <canadiancow|work> the interface isn't bad
May 09 13:46:20 <wongk> canadiancow|work: well at least all those individual updates should be collapsed into 1
May 09 13:46:23 <wongk> i would hope
May 09 13:46:57 <dmalice> you could extend TextView and overwrite the setText method
May 09 13:47:05 <dmalice> but that's probably more work than it's worth
May 09 13:51:14 <cubicool> How do private services actually work? Once it's backgrounded, unless it's NON-private, how can subsequent instances of the Activity that intially launched it have permission?
May 09 13:51:55 <cubicool> I have an XMPP service I don't want other apps to hijack, but I don't see how I can prevent it...
May 09 13:52:31 <dmalice> the service is still declared in your app manifest isn't it?
May 09 13:52:39 <dmalice> how will other apps know what it's called
May 09 13:52:41 <dan82au> cubicool is that a content provider ?
May 09 13:53:28 <code1> According to the docs START_STICKY is guaranteed that onStartCommand will be called again after being killed. But I'm finding that it isn't, am I missing something?
May 09 13:54:06 <cubicool> dan82au: I'm not sure; I'm fairly new to Android development. I have the app working, I'm just wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree with this design. :)
May 09 13:55:14 <cubicool> I have a IntentService that connects to our work's XMPP backend and does various things (like query server loadtime, etc). I can communitcate with it easily enough with my Activity as long as it's not a "private" service, but I wouldn't want another app to be able to send messages to it at will.
May 09 13:56:33 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/service-element.html#exported
May 09 13:57:59 <code1> hmm seems like a bug in 2.3
May 09 13:59:15 <dan82au> is coke or pepsi better for android development ?
May 09 13:59:37 <dmalice> cocaine is definitely better
May 09 13:59:53 <dan82au> beer for me, makes you a bit sleepy though
May 09 14:04:13 <aleb> Any idea how to determine whether a temperature value should be displayed in C or F (based on current locale)?
May 09 14:05:14 <dan82au> aleb i imagine so, not sure how though :)
May 09 14:05:19 <dan82au> display it in both ?
May 09 14:06:05 <dan82au> are you using any kinda of gis ?
May 09 14:06:18 <aleb> I want to know what the majority of the users prefer, for example Fahrenheit in USA
May 09 14:06:38 <aleb> or Celcius in Germany
May 09 14:06:53 <Leeds> aleb: first approximation, F in the US, C everywhere else in the world
May 09 14:07:05 <dan82au> yes, so you need to use f in the u.s and metric everywhere else hey ?
May 09 14:07:14 <dan82au> ding dong
May 09 14:08:07 <aleb> Leeds, hm, good point, there might be only a few of those with F
May 09 14:08:43 <Leeds> and obviously an option to let the user change it if they want
May 09 14:09:12 <aleb> sure  :)
May 09 14:09:17 <aleb> "Fahrenheit remains the official scale of the United States, Cayman Islands and Belize"
May 09 14:10:11 <dan82au> easier to just display both considering the calculation
May 09 14:10:54 <Leeds> aleb: and people over about 40 in the UK
May 09 14:11:20 <xemi> Could anyone have a quick view over http://pastebin.com/hbaUFxAb and tell me why the proximity sensor isn't reacting when I put my hand over the phone?
May 09 14:11:30 <Leeds> dan82au: nah, that's messy
May 09 14:11:53 <dan82au> Leeds agree, but if its just a temperature calc its fine
May 09 14:12:40 <Chainfire> xemi> are your onResume and onPause called ? :)
May 09 14:13:01 <Chainfire> xemi> does the device actually have a proximity sensor ?
May 09 14:13:22 <aleb> dan82au, FYI it's not a temperature calc, it's a travel guide :)
May 09 14:13:42 <dan82au> aleb but what units are you measuring :P
May 09 14:13:43 <xemi> Chainfire: yes, it's a Galaxy S1 (i9000)
May 09 14:14:12 <dan82au> force,area,weight etc...
May 09 14:14:16 <aleb> dan82au, that's irrelevant
May 09 14:14:24 <dan82au> huh ?
May 09 14:14:33 <aleb> I'm not measuring anything
May 09 14:14:47 <Chainfire> xemi> try SENSOR_DELAY_UI
May 09 14:14:52 <dan82au> so you don't need a unit of measurement ?
May 09 14:14:55 <Chainfire> aside from that, code seems good to me ...
May 09 14:15:20 <Chainfire> ehm
May 09 14:15:28 <Chainfire> why are mSensorManager and mProximity final ?
May 09 14:15:32 <dan82au> *shakes head* people are confusing
May 09 14:15:41 * Chainfire scratches head... does that even work that way ?
May 09 14:15:47 <xemi> Chainfire: I'v just figured that onResume is never called so the  mSensorManager.registerListener(this, mProximity, SensorManager.SENSOR_DELAY_NORMAL); never gets called
May 09 14:15:56 <xemi> i moved it up in the constructor
May 09 14:15:59 <XeruX> I've got 2 or more .3gp-files recorded by the user, how can I join/concatonate these files?
May 09 14:16:22 <aleb> dan82au, I have some data and I need to display it, it's irrelevant how the data is represented internally
May 09 14:16:31 <xemi> and now it seems to work :-)
May 09 14:16:38 <Chainfire> xemi yeah that'd do it
May 09 14:16:48 <Chainfire> I wonder though, why this AsyncTask construct? it is strange for this
May 09 14:16:50 <dmalice> is that the standard way of using the proximity sensor? that seems like something a handler would do better than an async
May 09 14:16:51 <dan82au> aleb its still not clear though
May 09 14:17:13 <xemi> Chainfire: because I'm planning to have it run as a thread, it's just a part of a more complex motion detection app
May 09 14:17:17 <dmalice> asynctasks shld normally be used for something that needs to just happen in the background and then be over
May 09 14:17:26 <xemi> there is also motion detection by camera running at the same time
May 09 14:17:39 <xemi> and I'm planning on doing a detection by sound now :-)
May 09 14:17:53 <hoangtran> hmm, just read the news about G vs O
May 09 14:17:57 <dan82au> so you want to know wether or not the system/phone etc.. that runs you application is imperial ?
May 09 14:18:10 <aleb> dan82au, yes
May 09 14:18:17 <xemi> I have no idea how to approach the bySound detection issue though ;-)
May 09 14:18:42 <dmalice> XeruX, I have an answer for you but you aren't going to like it
May 09 14:18:45 <dan82au> def be a java function for that my friend, give me a sec - only new too
May 09 14:19:07 <Chainfire> xemi> if you want to use a background thread for this stuff, use a real thread. AsyncTask is not really fit for this
May 09 14:19:19 <dmalice> you're going to have to use a library like openAV(which is GPL), or ffmpeg (LGPL)
May 09 14:19:20 <Chainfire> (yes you CAN, but you SHOULDNT ;))
May 09 14:19:26 <xemi> Chainfire: it seems to work well, why isn't it fit for this?
May 09 14:19:44 <aleb> dan82au, if you were talking to me, don't bother with that function
May 09 14:20:09 <Chainfire> xemi> because AsyncTask is "meant" for shortrunning task in the background. it has its own threadpool en executor methods, that may interfere with eachother
May 09 14:20:14 <Kristophwa> anyone got a good liner to use to install the jdk ???
May 09 14:20:22 <Chainfire> the behavior changes between API versions as well, AsyncTask is not exactly stable and/or reliable
May 09 14:20:27 <dan82au> no worries, what did you come up with ?
May 09 14:20:29 <XeruX> dmalice: Ok, but I read somewhere that you can use AudioRecord and handle raw PCM-data, but it seems like it might not work on all devices because of different implementations?  :/
May 09 14:20:47 <Chainfire> xemi> you can still use it, but sooner or later, if you grow the number of AsyncTasks in your application, and they are long-running, you will run into trouble
May 09 14:21:04 <dmalice> yeah, i
May 09 14:21:06 <Chainfire> just some friendly advice, feel free to ignore. as stated, you CAN if you must :)
May 09 14:21:25 <xemi> Chainfire: ok if it won't work well when tested ill switch. I'll have 3 AsyncTasks running until specified to stop by the main UI switch.
May 09 14:21:38 <dmalice> Xerux, I've been working on a project that requires working with videos as well, and ffmpeg seems like the only real option as android's built-in tools are very limited
May 09 14:21:54 <Chainfire> xemi> which API version are you testing on?
May 09 14:21:57 <XeruX> dmalice: I only need to concatonate audio records, not video
May 09 14:21:57 <aleb> dan82au, as I said, "Fahrenheit remains the official scale of the United States, Cayman Islands and Belize" and I'll use Locale.getDefault()
May 09 14:22:36 <dan82au> sweet aleb :)
May 09 14:22:48 <dan82au> learnt something myself also
May 09 14:22:55 <dmalice> oh audio recordings only, in that case i'm not 100% sure
May 09 14:23:42 <SimonVT> xemi: Depending on API level, only one asynctask will run at a time
May 09 14:23:46 <Chainfire> xemi> if you are developing for 2.x or 3.x right now, I can tell you, when you test your software on ICS, it won't work, as AsyncTasks are ran serially (by default) instead of in parallel
May 09 14:23:47 <xemi> Chainfire: API Level 10
May 09 14:24:09 <xemi> Ouch.
May 09 14:24:38 <Chainfire> now we just told you, so you know, so you can code around it, but if you don't know, it's going to really cost you some debugging time to figure it out! :)
May 09 14:24:47 <dmalice> Xerux, do you need to actually be able to save the recordings as a single joined file? if so you probably still need to use something like ffmpeg
May 09 14:24:53 <xemi> yes indeed, Chainfire, thanks.
May 09 14:25:39 <Chainfire> (it cost me like two days to find this "bug") according to AsyncTask "idea" it is still correct, that is why I say, if you want to run longrunning background threads, use a real thread, not AsyncTask which is meant for shortrunning background tasks
May 09 14:26:43 <Leeds> Chainfire: that's been known for a while...
May 09 14:27:11 <Chainfire> Leeds> I didn't say I had the problem today, did I :)
May 09 14:27:18 <Leeds> implication :)
May 09 14:27:36 <Chainfire> so you would rather I *not* warn xemi about this, so he runs into this problem later and goes "wtf?" :)
May 09 14:28:54 <Leeds> nope, just that saying it took you time to find a 'bug' which is a) well-known and b) documented...
May 09 14:29:13 <Leeds> "When first introduced, AsyncTasks were executed serially on a single background thread. Starting with DONUT, this was changed to a pool of threads allowing multiple tasks to operate in parallel. After HONEYCOMB, it is planned to change this back to a single thread to avoid common application errors caused by parallel execution."
May 09 14:29:44 <Chainfire> Leeds> that is certainly true, but in a complex application, you don't immediately find that the problem is that your threads are running serially
May 09 14:29:58 <canadiancow|work> what is "after HONEYCOMB"
May 09 14:30:02 <canadiancow|work> HONEYCOMB_MR1?
May 09 14:30:03 <canadiancow|work> ICS?
May 09 14:30:10 <canadiancow|work> not that it really matters though
May 09 14:30:54 <SimonVT> Obligatory "after fuck you that's when"
May 09 14:31:04 <canadiancow|work> o.O
May 09 14:32:25 <dmalice> so anyway, anyone ever worked with ffmpeg and android before?
May 09 14:32:51 <dmalice> i'm having nothing but problems and the documentation for the ffmpeg c libraries is SPARSE to say the least
May 09 14:35:26 <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this exception? http://paste.ubuntu.com/977965/
May 09 14:36:14 <Chainfire> dmalice> I seem to recall there's an open source media player for android based on ffmpeg
May 09 14:36:19 <Chainfire> have you looked for that? it might help
May 09 14:36:56 <Chainfire> c2tarun> you ran out of memory
May 09 14:37:05 <Chainfire> make sure the images in your project arent bigger than they need to be
May 09 14:37:33 <c2tarun> Chainfire, really?
May 09 14:37:36 * c2tarun checking 
May 09 14:37:49 <Chainfire> c2tarun> "E/AndroidRuntime(  599): Caused by: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: bitmap size exceeds VM budget"
May 09 14:38:01 <Chainfire> that says you ran out of memory while loading a bitmap
May 09 14:38:31 <Chainfire> this usually means one of your graphics is too big, but you can also have run ALMOST out of memory for another reason, and a little bitmap pushed you over the edge :)
May 09 14:39:48 <chrizc> hey there, I'm trying to set up a ScrollView. In landscape view, it's perfect. However, in portrait view, the scrollview does not fill the entirety of the vertical space - even though I have layout_height set to fill_parent
May 09 14:40:37 <evancharlton> chrizc: pastebin your layout
May 09 14:41:05 <chrizc> evancharlton; http://pastie.org/private/6t9j1bbazlcxamiwajycvg
May 09 14:41:07 <dominicdinada> http://pastebin.com/q5mgPnfv why wont it linkify valid numbers ?
May 09 14:43:17 <chrizc> evancharlton; never mind, found ScrollView's "fillViewport" attribute.
May 09 14:44:29 <c2tarun> Chainfire, you were right :) I rescaled a big image and it worked :) thanks
May 09 14:44:43 <chrizc> 'nother question - I have a text box on the first page of my app. the keyboard seems to be auto-focusing on the box... how do I stop this?
May 09 14:46:23 <Chainfire> c2tarun read up on providing different DPI images in your app.. always provide the smallest image possible for the screen. in Android 4.0 it is better, but pre 4.0 you must keep in mind the typical memory limit for an app is 2 to 2.5 times a full-screen images. So if you fill the screen with small images on average 2.5 times higher resolution that absolutely needed, you WILL run out of memory.
May 09 14:47:04 <dmalice> chrizc, you could add this to your activity in your manifest android:windowSoftInputMode="stateUnchanged"
May 09 14:47:10 <dominicdinada> chrizc: focusable="false"
May 09 14:47:19 <dmalice> not sure if that's your overall goal tho
May 09 14:47:21 <chrizc> dominicdinada; but I want it to be focused later on?
May 09 14:48:11 <dmalice> chrizc: my solution will prevent the softinput from coming up when the activity starts, as long as the keyboard wasn't already open
May 09 14:48:13 <c2tarun> how can I add b'day date to a contact in my virtual device? I am on gingerbread
May 09 14:48:19 <dmalice> but it will also leave it open if it was open before the activity started
May 09 14:48:20 <chrizc> dmalice; sounds good
May 09 14:49:07 <chrizc> dmalice; much better.
May 09 14:49:41 <dmalice> glad to help
May 09 14:51:04 <dmalice> c2tarun: I don't think gingerbread includes those extra details in the contact object
May 09 14:51:36 <c2tarun> dmalice, but my cellphone has that :(
May 09 14:51:46 <c2tarun> dmalice, it is also gingerbread
May 09 14:51:58 <dmalice> is your device using stock android?
May 09 14:52:18 <c2tarun> dmalice, how can I check?
May 09 14:52:24 <ldiamond> Is there a decent Http Client available on android? The apache stuff is just horrible...
May 09 14:52:28 <dmalice> what is the model of your phone c2tarun?
May 09 14:52:45 <MarcAurelio> Hi all
May 09 14:52:56 <c2tarun> GT-S5830
May 09 14:53:40 <c2tarun> dmalice, GT-S580
May 09 14:53:44 <dmalice> yeah
May 09 14:53:59 <dang`r`us> ello
May 09 14:54:07 <dang`r`us> what happens when I record video in background and the user opens a camera app?
May 09 14:54:18 <dmalice> that's samsung right? Samsung runs a customized Android rom and they likely added that field to the contacts that isn't present in stock android
May 09 14:55:06 <dmalice> even in stock ICS there's no birthday field...they've added an "Events" field where you can store custom dates like anniversaries or birthdays, but there's not a built-in way to store a birthday directly, in stock android
May 09 14:55:10 <c2tarun> dmalice, ohh... :( so if I had to grab that b'day date from contact I have to use some Samsung API (if they provide) and that app will not work on all android devices?
May 09 14:55:47 <lapdis> since the last update, if i open a file twice it opens in two different tabs. I don't like this update, is there a way to revert it?
May 09 14:56:00 <dmalice> that's right c2tarun
May 09 14:56:27 <dmalice> the android address book is quite basic, i don't know why they've left out a lot of pretty simple fields
May 09 14:57:08 <dmalice> on the other hand, there may be a way to grab birthdays from contacts from the user's google account (i.e., gmail contacts), which I think does have a birthday field
May 09 14:57:30 <dmalice> i'm not familiar with those APIs or if they are even available, but that could be something you could investigate as an alternative
May 09 14:58:05 <c2tarun> dmalice, thanks a lot :)
May 09 14:59:39 <dmalice> dang`r`us, you mean if you're running the camera in a background task and then the user switches to the camera app while your task is still running?
May 09 15:00:22 <dang`r`us> dmalice, exactly
May 09 15:01:31 <dmalice> Best bet is probably testing it, but I'm pretty sure the OS will throw an exception on the second app's Camera.open() since it would be locked by your task
May 09 15:01:45 <dmalice> the second app should be handling those kind of errors
May 09 15:03:09 <dang`r`us> dmalice, okay, thx!
May 09 15:17:58 <dominicdinada> http://pastebin.com/q5mgPnfv why wont it linkify valid numbers ?
May 09 15:18:50 <canadiancow|work> why are you OR'ing PHONE_NUMBERS with PHONE_NUMBERS
May 09 15:20:40 <dominicdinada> canadiancow thats was an example from d.android.com i believe
May 09 15:21:18 <MaaaZ> hey guys
May 09 15:26:54 <Drknzz> Hello guys. I have an activity with a progressbar, i'd like to let the bar spin for a little while before proceeding with the next activity... is there a way to do this without instantiating a new Thread?
May 09 15:28:29 <bfrog> hi, wondering which http client I should be using, want response caching and connection pooling, http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html suggests I should use httpurlclient but also says it doesn't cache responses before 4.0?
May 09 15:33:15 <evancharlton> Drknzz: Handler#postDelayed(..)
May 09 15:34:34 <Drknzz> evancharlton: Thanks, definitely a better solution to spawn a whole thread for such a small task
May 09 15:34:42 <Drknzz> than*
May 09 15:34:57 <bubbleguuum> the impossible can happen on Android: Java.lang.NullPointerException: at android.app.Activity.onStop(Activity.java:1301)
May 09 15:38:16 <SimonVT> Impossible? heh
May 09 15:38:59 <storkme> NPEs on android? I'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT.
May 09 15:39:26 <bubbleguuum> in fact, the impossible happens all the time on Android
May 09 15:40:34 <bfrog> any thoughts on which http client lib to use?
May 09 15:40:36 <nplus> I'm a little bit stumped... I'm working on creating a remote service with an AIDL interface. If there is an error inside one of the Stub methods, how should I handle them? The only thing I can think of at this point is to make my method return Double instead of double, but then I have to deal with creating it parcellable and all that jazz for all of the primitives. Any thoughts?
May 09 15:40:51 <bfrog> I don't even understand why there's multiple choices here
May 09 15:40:59 <bfrog> shouldn't there just be one good choice not 3 crappy ones
May 09 15:43:24 <bubbleguuum> bfrog: if you need its feature, repackage the latest stable HttpComponents and use that
May 09 15:44:16 <LaPizza> hello, my android phone is randomly rebooting: how can i troubleshoot ?
May 09 15:44:29 <evancharlton> adb logcat
May 09 15:44:36 <canadiancow|work> #android
May 09 15:44:39 <evancharlton> also, that's a question for #android, not #android-dev
May 09 15:44:39 <dmalice> drknzz, you could even just use an indeterminate progressbar and just setvisibility(View.GONE) when you don't need it showing
May 09 15:44:46 <canadiancow|work> too fast for you evancharlton!
May 09 15:44:57 <evancharlton> story of your life, I'm sure
May 09 15:44:58 <LaPizza> hello evancharlton ok, then what entries should i look for in the log?
May 09 15:45:03 <canadiancow|work> basically
May 09 15:45:04 <evancharlton> little quick on the draw, canadiancow|work ?
May 09 15:45:08 <canadiancow|work> yep
May 09 15:45:17 <evancharlton> LaPizza: anything related to the shutdown sequence
May 09 15:45:33 <canadiancow|work> at least i can hold my liquor
May 09 15:45:47 <LaPizza> any keywords for example?
May 09 15:45:49 <Drknzz> dmalice: Not quite, i just want it to spin for 1 second before going to the login activity, kind of a splashscreen...
May 09 15:46:26 <dmalice> ah a splash screen
May 09 15:46:42 <Drknzz> LaPizza: If it's a custom ROM (CMod or maybe something like that...) you may be better off at XDA
May 09 15:49:57 <LaPizza> Drknzz thank you.
May 09 15:50:10 <LaPizza> anyway i am now looking at the logcat
May 09 15:50:25 <LaPizza> but can't find where it says anything like 'abnormal shutdown/reboot'
May 09 15:53:27 <vorwaerts> is there a way to add a header-layout (e.g. a textview and a button) to ALL layouts?
May 09 15:53:49 <vorwaerts> no matter what there is in the layout. so first header - then the rest
May 09 15:54:13 <vorwaerts> or a search-bar on the top of every layout
May 09 15:54:21 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: <include />
May 09 15:54:24 <wongk> you can include one layout in another
May 09 15:54:35 <wongk> but an Activity subclass would probably be better
May 09 15:54:35 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: Have you tried putting said bar on a different xml and inflating it onStart?
May 09 15:55:09 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: Works for me with ListView and ListView.addHeaderView
May 09 15:55:33 <vorwaerts> said bar?
May 09 15:56:18 <Drknzz> Guys, is there a way to start another activity AND delete the starting activity off the stack? I.E: I definitely dont want my slpash screen to show when the user presses back
May 09 15:56:32 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: your search bar
May 09 15:56:52 <vorwaerts> i have none
May 09 15:56:52 <storkme> so i just learnt (thanks to bfrog) that i should be using httpurlconnection instead of httpclient on newer versions of android..... who knew
May 09 15:57:05 <wongk> Drknzz: call finish
May 09 15:57:06 <nplus> I'm having a hard time believing that no one has come across this problem before.. handling errors in a remote service stub call... :/
May 09 15:57:13 <Drknzz> Thanks
May 09 15:57:26 <wongk> storkme: everyone who read that blog post :P
May 09 15:57:41 <Drknzz> Also, does the Bundle onCreate is called with include the Intent's extras? (As in Intent#putExtra(..))
May 09 15:57:42 <storkme> heh
May 09 15:58:08 <vorwaerts> but i do not know how to inflate a xml
May 09 15:58:28 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: getLayoutInflater().inflate
May 09 15:58:42 <Drknzz> You pass an R.Layout id to it
May 09 15:59:34 <vorwaerts> ok i try
May 09 15:59:45 <vorwaerts> so first i creat a new xml with my header?
May 09 16:00:20 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: Yes. Use my tethod if you want a list below your header
May 09 16:00:23 <Drknzz> method*
May 09 16:00:52 <Drknzz> Or use <include /> as evancharlton said if you don't want that
May 09 16:04:56 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: http://www.ezzylearning.com/tutorial.aspx?tid=1763429&q=customizing-android-listview-items-with-custom-arrayadapter Check that link
May 09 16:05:02 <Drknzz> It might help your quest
May 09 16:05:18 <vorwaerts> i dont have any listview
May 09 16:07:16 <vorwaerts> i got getLayoutInflater().inflate(R.layout.header, null); and nothing is happen
May 09 16:07:32 <Cor3_> Hello! :> Got a problem with intents. I start com.whatsapp.ContactPicker with extras which then starts com.whatsapp.Conversation with extras. I get the intent used to start com.whatsapp.Conversation per ActivityManager and try to restart the exact same intent again which is always denied b/c the UID of the calling app (mine) is not accepted by WA. Is there a possibility to "fake" the UID? ^^
May 09 16:07:37 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: You have to assign that inflated layour to something
May 09 16:08:24 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: You might want to create a special empty linearlayout to hold your bar
May 09 16:08:39 <Drknzz> But i think <include /> is the most sensible thing to do
May 09 16:08:56 <vorwaerts> i dont know <include />
May 09 16:09:55 <vorwaerts> ah in xml
May 09 16:10:08 <vorwaerts> <include layout="@layout/..."/>
May 09 16:10:58 <thegrinch1> Hello,  Should I consider each activity in an app as a separate application? I access the same sqlite database in each activity using a static class..should I close and open the database when switching activity?
May 09 16:11:35 <Drknzz> thegrinch1: No, but on my limited experience with Android, i'd say you should close the connection if you lose focus
May 09 16:12:05 <thegrinch1> But the focus can be lost in each activity..
May 09 16:12:32 <tapas> thegrinch1: i guess you could use a global singleton (e.g. extent Application) and handle your DB connection there
May 09 16:12:35 <vorwaerts> Drknzz including works but when i include my xml - nothing will follow
May 09 16:12:41 <tapas> but opening and closing a sqlite is rather cheap
May 09 16:12:57 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: I'm no android layout expert, but lemme google a bit
May 09 16:13:19 <tapas> thegrinch1: whjat's your reason for wanting to keep the conection open?
May 09 16:13:26 <Drknzz> vorwaerts: http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/layout-tricks-merge.html Look at that link
May 09 16:13:47 <canadiancow|work> is it ok to file a bug against an ADT preview?
May 09 16:14:08 <thegrinch1> I use the same database in nearly all my activities...Closing and opening the database seems to me not very efficient...
May 09 16:14:38 <thegrinch1> I already use a singleton..
May 09 16:15:40 <thegrinch1> but in some cases, when leaving the app and getting back to it,I get errors..It seems the database is closed when leaving the app...
May 09 16:16:37 <thegrinch1> So I was wondering wether I should close the database before leaving an activity and opening it when entering another one...
May 09 16:17:27 <chrizc> hi there - trying to make a software button that imitates the hardware "menu" button that was mandatory pre-3.0... using openOptionsMenu() works on 2.3.5 Gingerbread, but nothing happens on 4.0 ICS... using ABS and the menu button is an actionbar button.
May 09 16:18:55 <vorwaerts> cant i do something like (in html) i have a header-div and a content-div. the header is always the same no matter what is following.
May 09 16:19:56 <canadiancow|work> chrizc, why dont you just use the actionbar's overflow option?
May 09 16:19:59 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: you cna
May 09 16:20:04 <canadiancow|work> that's how "menus" work on 3.0+
May 09 16:20:09 <evancharlton> can, too
May 09 16:20:10 <vorwaerts> evancharlton how?
May 09 16:20:25 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: by putting the header outside of the scrollview
May 09 16:20:35 <chrizc> canadiancow; what? ...you misunderstand. I have an action bar, and all it has is a button called "menu." When it's pressed (or when the hardware menu button is pressed, if available), the pop-up menu shows.
May 09 16:21:15 <canadiancow|work> no, you misunderstand
May 09 16:21:24 <canadiancow|work> you shouldnt have a "Menu" button
May 09 16:21:28 <chrizc> why.
May 09 16:21:29 <canadiancow|work> you should use the overflow action item
May 09 16:21:34 <canadiancow|work> which is provided for you by default
May 09 16:22:02 <chrizc> canadiancow; how would I use the overflow action item, without having some of the options already displaying on the action bar? I want the action bar clear apart from this "overflow" button?
May 09 16:22:26 <Cor3_> So can I conclude this and accept that there's no way to fake UID's?
May 09 16:22:31 <canadiancow|work> 1. you misunderstand what an actionbar is and why they removed the menu
May 09 16:22:39 <SimonVT> showAsAction="never"
May 09 16:22:42 <canadiancow|work> 2. you can set attributes on menu items so they ne... yea
May 09 16:22:51 <chrizc> canadiancow|work... they haven't removed the menu? o.o
May 09 16:22:59 <evancharlton> yes they did
May 09 16:23:00 <canadiancow|work> they deprecated it...
May 09 16:23:05 <vorwaerts> evancharlton what scrollview? i dont have any
May 09 16:23:17 * chrizc facepalms
May 09 16:23:25 <chrizc> this would look messy if I throw all the menu items on the actionbar.
May 09 16:23:32 <ldiamond> Is there something like StringTemplate in Android?
May 09 16:23:42 <chrizc> and, surely, if I set showAsAction to 'never', it wouldn't provide me with an overflow button?
May 09 16:23:46 <vorwaerts> evancharlton  i want add a header no matter what content there is
May 09 16:23:51 <canadiancow|work> wrong chrizc
May 09 16:23:53 <canadiancow|work> in fact
May 09 16:23:58 <canadiancow|work> that is the OPPOSITE of the truth
May 09 16:24:02 <chrizc> which bit
May 09 16:24:10 <canadiancow|work> if you never show it as an actionitem, it ALWAYS gives you an overflow button
May 09 16:24:13 <canadiancow|work> how else would you access it?
May 09 16:24:14 <SimonVT> never tells it to not show in the actionbar
May 09 16:24:16 <chrizc> oh.
May 09 16:24:17 <chrizc> I see.
May 09 16:24:20 * chrizc tries
May 09 16:24:25 <SimonVT> Items not shown in the action bar goes to action overflow
May 09 16:24:31 <SimonVT> Or options menu if your phone sux ;d
May 09 16:25:43 <wongk> SimonVT: don't be jealous of my menu button ;)
May 09 16:26:25 <SimonVT> Menu button is bad and you should feel bad
May 09 16:26:36 <chrizc> SimonVT / canadiancow|work; okay, I just set my four menu options as never show as action... now I have no overflow button?
May 09 16:27:27 <SimonVT> Does your phone have a menu button?
May 09 16:27:32 <chrizc> Yes.
May 09 16:27:35 <SimonVT> Then there's no overflow button
May 09 16:27:36 <evancharlton> welp!
May 09 16:27:43 <chrizc> .-. I didn't realise it was that clever.
May 09 16:27:46 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton i have this problem with my listview
May 09 16:27:48 <canadiancow|work> its not working
May 09 16:27:53 <canadiancow|work> i set the height to wrap_content
May 09 16:27:55 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work: try putting it in a scrollview
May 09 16:28:02 <canadiancow|work> oh ok
May 09 16:28:02 <canadiancow|work> thanks
May 09 16:28:13 <evancharlton> maybe two or three scrollviews
May 09 16:28:18 <canadiancow|work> you have it backwards
May 09 16:28:22 <canadiancow|work> he wanted 3 listviews in one scrollview
May 09 16:28:47 <evancharlton> no reason you can't do both
May 09 16:31:24 <canadiancow|work> 3 listviews, each in a scrollview, all in a scrollview?
May 09 16:32:15 <evancharlton> now that sound enterprisey!
May 09 16:32:15 <wongk> on a ListActivity?
May 09 16:35:29 <SimonVT> In a fragment in a fragment
May 09 16:36:04 <wongk> we don't care for fragments around there here parts
May 09 16:36:08 <canadiancow|work> yo dawg
May 09 16:39:13 <chrizc> does anybody here use the foursquare app? I'm looking to use a similar kind of layout to theirs - how would I do that with the actionbar? I have the top bar bit sorted, but how would I do the tabs below it, without using a TabHost?
May 09 16:39:57 <SimonVT> Use a linearlayout with a bunch of textviews
May 09 16:40:12 <SimonVT> Or, actionbar tabs
May 09 16:40:20 <canadiancow|work> that
May 09 16:40:35 <chrizc> actionbar tabs?
May 09 16:41:16 <chrizc> wait, found the sdk page
May 09 16:41:18 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/actionbar.html#Tabs
May 09 16:42:24 <chrizc> SimonVT; found it.
May 09 16:43:56 <ultrixx> hi i am quite new to java and android. i have stumbled over this construction: setListAdapter(new ArrayAdapter<String>(this, R.layout.list_item, COUNTRIES));  Why is String in <>? what does it mean?
May 09 16:44:40 <xorgate> thats a java construct
May 09 16:44:51 <xorgate> you can have arrayadapter for other types as well
May 09 16:44:57 <xorgate> it indicates this one accepts strings
May 09 16:45:23 <xorgate> it adds constraints to your code so you dont accidentally put another type of object in there
May 09 16:45:30 <xorgate> dunno what the official name is
May 09 16:45:37 <SimonVT> generics
May 09 16:46:04 <ultrixx> ok so this is like an overloaded funtion?
May 09 16:46:21 <ultrixx> and i "help" the compiler and tell him i want the String version?
May 09 16:47:01 <ultrixx> overloaded method
May 09 16:47:13 <wongk> a little bit, i guess
May 09 16:47:25 <vorwaerts> in a horizontall linearlayout - can i set the most right view to align right?
May 09 16:47:40 <wongk> except overlodaded methods have to be explicitly specified
May 09 16:48:08 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: try it and find out
May 09 16:48:12 <ultrixx> ok so the constructor of the class ArrayAdapter has several versions and one of it is for the type String. Is that correct so far?
May 09 16:48:19 <wongk> no
May 09 16:48:40 <vorwaerts> evancharlton there is no align
May 09 16:48:41 <wongk> generics are written... genericaly, google it
May 09 16:48:53 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: the word you're looking for is gravity
May 09 16:48:58 <thegrinch1> What is the lifecycle of a singleton object/glocal object ?There's no destructor in java so how can I make sure everything is properly closed in case android collect them?
May 09 16:49:13 <vorwaerts> evancharlton but it doesnt work
May 09 16:49:14 <ultrixx> wongk: ok thanks i have found something
May 09 16:50:10 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: then you did it wrong. Please go read the docs.
May 09 16:50:37 <wongk> thegrinch1: in the case of singletons or globals, there is always a reference to the object
May 09 16:50:55 <wongk> they won't be collected until the process is terminating
May 09 16:51:05 <Chronax> Anybody have an answer for this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3497593/partially-open-slidingdrawer
May 09 16:51:32 <wongk> Java doesn't have globals :P
May 09 16:51:47 <thegrinch1> but when the activity goes background it can be collected..so there are possibilities the singleton is collected to...
May 09 16:52:16 <wongk> thegrinch1: the words Activity and singleton don't mix
May 09 16:52:28 <thegrinch1> Call public static var = global.
May 09 16:53:09 <thegrinch1> why don't they?Is it forbidden to use singletons when programming android?
May 09 16:53:50 <Knossos> Is anyone familiar with how I can override the config change when you undock an Asus Transformer? I have tried android:configChanges="uiMode" (as implied in the docs)
May 09 16:54:00 <wongk> Android controls the lifetime of an activity (partially), that goes against the very purpose of a singleton
May 09 16:54:15 <thegrinch1> I know,that's why I ask....
May 09 16:54:26 <john_doe_jr> how do I have it so that a portion of the screen can be swiped?
May 09 16:54:33 <evancharlton> you can have singletons
May 09 16:54:45 <wongk> so when you talk about singletons in android, activities aren't part of the discussion, otherwise you're doing it wrong
May 09 16:55:22 <wongk> unless you say "i access my singleton from this activity and this activity" :P
May 09 16:55:50 <thegrinch1> LOL...I access the singleton from all my activities!!!
May 09 16:56:07 <wongk> but what does that have to do with the lifetime of the singleton
May 09 16:56:41 <thegrinch1> When the activities are reclaimed,the singleton is reclaimed too,no?
May 09 16:56:46 <wongk> no
May 09 16:56:56 <thegrinch1> so that's a memory leak?
May 09 16:57:01 <SimonVT> When the process is reclaimed the singleton is
May 09 16:57:15 <wongk> no, there's always a reference to the singleton
May 09 16:57:25 <wongk> otherwise, how would you access it?
May 09 16:57:50 <Chronax> Anybody have an answer for this, or any suggestions? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3497593/partially-open-slidingdrawer
May 09 16:58:01 <vorwaerts> when i setText(String) to a TextView - how can i make a new line?
May 09 16:58:06 <thegrinch1> the singleton belongs to the application process memory space...when the memory is reclaimed,the singleton is reclaimed to...
May 09 16:58:12 <vorwaerts> \n in the string?
May 09 16:58:48 <Knossos> Yes vorwaerts.
May 09 16:59:21 <ultrixx> how can i add items to a listview?
May 09 16:59:50 <Knossos> ultrixx: You should probably do some Googles / looking through the SDK samples.
May 09 16:59:58 <readme> thegrinch1: the singleton lives as long as there is a reference to it.
May 09 17:00:10 <Knossos> That is a very general question, and some investigating would give you a better answer
May 09 17:00:28 <readme> thegrinch1: usually, it's done by creating a static reference in a class
May 09 17:00:31 <thegrinch1> so any singleton is a memory leak....
May 09 17:00:36 <thegrinch1> lol
May 09 17:00:36 <readme> thegrinch1: in that case, it lives until the class is unloaded
May 09 17:00:41 <readme> no, that's not what a memory leak is :(
May 09 17:00:51 <wongk> i don't think you know what a memory leak is exactly
May 09 17:01:15 <readme> read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6470651/creating-a-memory-leak-with-java
May 09 17:01:41 <readme> static = lives as long as the class is loaded.
May 09 17:02:13 <thegrinch1> I definitely know what a memory leak is...The sinhgleton maintain a reference to himself...so there's always a rference for it and it cannot be garbage collected...
May 09 17:02:22 <Chronax> thegrinch1: You should watch the memory management talk from 2011 Google I/O.
May 09 17:02:33 <thegrinch1> I already watched it..
May 09 17:02:42 <SimonVT> Activities can be reclaimed at any time. Doesn't necessarily have to be when the process is reclaimed
May 09 17:02:42 <Chronax> It should have answered these questions. :)
May 09 17:02:43 <Knossos> They already said multiple times that the reference is removed once the process itself is terminated.
May 09 17:03:10 <SimonVT> So just because your activities are no longer in memory, doesn't mean the singleton isn't
May 09 17:03:19 <readme> due to the fact that the class is unloaded when the process is terminated :)
May 09 17:03:39 <Pinas> hello, is it possible to assign a value to a CheckBox (a String) I want to use this string in case the chechbox is checked
May 09 17:04:05 <thegrinch1> My question do not deal with memory leaks but how can I be sure that when I go back to an activity,the static objects are still valid?
May 09 17:04:07 <evancharlton> Pinas: sure, but you'd have to extend CheckBox
May 09 17:04:08 <Knossos> Pinas: Try setTag()
May 09 17:04:19 <Knossos> I am not 100% sure that exists, mind you.
May 09 17:04:20 <evancharlton> Knossos: oh, duh. Or that :P
May 09 17:04:23 <evancharlton> it does
May 09 17:04:23 <chrizc> how do I get an android.support.v4.app.FragmentManager, instead of the android.app.FragmentManager from SherlockActivity?
May 09 17:04:33 <SimonVT> You don't
May 09 17:04:43 <SimonVT> You use SherlockFragmentActivity
May 09 17:05:05 <chrizc> o.o I... see? Is that basically the same as using a FragmentTransaction?
May 09 17:05:15 <pfn> chrizc, no
May 09 17:05:23 <pfn> SherlockFragmentActivity == FragmentActivity
May 09 17:05:41 <chrizc> I already have a SherlockFragment?
May 09 17:05:48 <jakob|> anyone else who didnt get their $$ from google this month?
May 09 17:05:59 <pfn> chrizc, yeahso?
May 09 17:06:07 <pfn> you don't have a fragmentactivity
May 09 17:06:24 <chrizc> so I'm confused as to what I make a SherlockFragmentActivity... the activity that I'm trying to do the transaction in?
May 09 17:06:33 <SimonVT> SherlockFragment extends android.support.v4.app.Fragment
May 09 17:06:40 <SimonVT> That fragments needs a  FragmentActivity
May 09 17:06:48 <SimonVT> Hence, SherlockFragmentActivity
May 09 17:06:58 <pfn> chrizc, you haven't ever used the support lib, huh; you need a fragmentactivity
May 09 17:07:07 <pfn> in order to use fragments in the support lib
May 09 17:07:09 <chrizc> pfn; I have, just not with fragments.
May 09 17:07:11 <Pinas> ok thank you both :)
May 09 17:07:17 <chrizc> anyway, I'm now using the SherlockFragmentActivity
May 09 17:07:20 <pfn> wtf do you use the support lib for, if not fragments
May 09 17:07:26 * pfn scratches head
May 09 17:07:32 <chrizc> pfn; at the moment, just swapping Activities.
May 09 17:07:38 <chrizc> oh
May 09 17:07:39 <chrizc> wait
May 09 17:07:41 <chrizc> no, you're right
May 09 17:07:44 <chrizc> I haven't used the lib before.
May 09 17:07:58 <Knossos> chrizc: Have a look at the ABS samples, best advice.
May 09 17:08:00 <pfn> chrizc, please refer to the sample app in the support lib
May 09 17:08:05 <Knossos> That too ^
May 09 17:08:10 <chrizc> pfn; ...which one?
May 09 17:08:14 <chrizc> there's about a bajillion.
May 09 17:08:19 <pfn> there's only 1
May 09 17:08:56 <pfn> well, there's 2, but I'll leave that as an exercise for you to figure out which one
May 09 17:08:59 <pfn> :p
May 09 17:10:16 <Sleevezipper> Hi! I have a question about threading with sdk 15, I have a method that sets up a tcp server socket, i call this method from thread like and i still get the NetworkOnMainThreadException. I dont understand why it does this, I can provide the code if it helps!
May 09 17:10:34 <Sleevezipper> -like
May 09 17:11:02 <Knossos> You are running your network code on the UI thread, this will make the App hang.
May 09 17:11:05 <wongk> it helps
May 09 17:11:33 <Sleevezipper> I know, and that's why i made another thread from within the method is called...
May 09 17:11:37 <Knossos> You need to make your code multi-threaded. Putting your server in a Service for example.
May 09 17:12:48 <Sleevezipper> Please look at this code, that does make it multi-threaded right?
May 09 17:12:48 <nebkat> any idea why adding a tab larger than the others causes huge padding in a TabWidget?
May 09 17:12:49 <Sleevezipper> 		Thread tcpServer = new Thread() {
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 			public void run() {
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 				try {
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 					Server.Start();
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 				} catch (Exception e) {
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 					e.printStackTrace();
May 09 17:12:50 <Sleevezipper> 				}
May 09 17:12:51 <Sleevezipper> 			}
May 09 17:12:51 <Sleevezipper> 		};
May 09 17:12:52 <Sleevezipper> 		tcpServer.run();
May 09 17:13:26 <wongk> irc is not for code
May 09 17:13:40 <Knossos> Sleevezipper: use something like pastebin for code
May 09 17:13:49 <MarcAurelio> Sleevezipper, please use www.pasteall.org, pastebin or anoter website for paste. thanks
May 09 17:13:56 <Sleevezipper> Sorry about that! Thought it was ok cause it was just a few lines
May 09 17:14:14 <Knossos> If everyone posted just a few lines though, this channel would be a mess :P
May 09 17:14:23 <Sleevezipper> Yeah you're right
May 09 17:14:46 <readme> Sleevezipper: don't extend thread, implement Runnable.
May 09 17:15:01 <wongk> Sleevezipper: the method to start the thread is start
May 09 17:15:02 <wongk> not run
May 09 17:15:17 <wongk> you're not actually using a thread
May 09 17:15:24 <readme> yeah, calling run() would just invoke your overriden method on the same thread :P
May 09 17:15:46 <nplus> I'm a little bit stumped... I'm working on creating a remote service with an AIDL interface. If there is an error inside one of the Stub methods, how should I handle them? The only thing I can think of at this point is to make my method return Double instead of double, but then I have to deal with creating it parcellable and all that jazz for all of the primitives. Any thoughts?
May 09 17:16:11 <readme> nplus: Double.NaN
May 09 17:16:19 <readme> it is a special value in the floating point spec
May 09 17:16:22 <readme> used to indicate error
May 09 17:16:36 <readme> and can be used with primitive double.
May 09 17:17:26 <nplus> readme: Thanks, is there something similar with other primitives?
May 09 17:17:28 <Sleevezipper> Thanks a lot guys! Never thought it would be something simple like that.
May 09 17:17:44 <readme> nplus: nah, usually -1 is used for ints and such though.
May 09 17:17:50 <readme> tbh I use the object wrappers when possible because i like null
May 09 17:17:52 <Chronax> Anybody have an answer for this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3497593/partially-open-slidingdrawer
May 09 17:18:02 <Chronax> Just going to keep trying. Fingers crossed. :)
May 09 17:18:25 <readme> you could always use a second value to indicate: int a; bool isASet;
May 09 17:19:31 <canadiancow|work> bool isASetSet;
May 09 17:20:16 <nplus> readme: Like a second parameter to the method defined as an 'out parameter' in the AIDL file?
May 09 17:22:53 <readme> canadiancow|work: funny, but I think initializing it to false would suffice.
May 09 17:23:15 <readme> nplus: dunno about what you're going to do with your AIDL file.
May 09 17:23:22 <readme> but the theory should probably tranfer.
May 09 17:27:27 <nplus> readme: I just want to make sure I'm on the same page. Where do you suggest I use the boolean isASet? I can't pass a boolean by reference to my service...
May 09 17:28:08 <dmalice> broadcast?
May 09 17:30:41 <chrizc> I'm trying to follow the SDK's tutorial on ActionBar tabs with TabListeners, but I can't seem to get the TabListeners to work - if I follow the code on the page exactly, it tells me TabListener is generic. If I remove the property, it tells me TabListener can't be instantiated... help?
May 09 17:31:41 <readme> nplus: oh, I see
May 09 17:32:15 <readme> nplus: maybe you should define your own parcelable object type
May 09 17:32:19 <readme> or use extras.
May 09 17:32:23 <nplus> Right now, I'm tempted to create a container object with a field for each primitive
May 09 17:32:39 <readme> they already exist
May 09 17:32:47 <readme> Integer, Double, Character, Boolean etc.
May 09 17:32:52 <nplus> a parcelable one?
May 09 17:33:20 <readme> I don't think you should be sending them all as separate objects in your bundle
May 09 17:33:33 <readme> you should probable define a custom parcelable object that is built to your purpose
May 09 17:33:45 <readme> then you can pass them through with writeValue & readValue, if you don't want to use primitives
May 09 17:34:44 <nplus> Maybe, it just seems a bit silly that there isn't a good way of handling errors in the remote service
May 09 17:34:58 <chrizc> aaanybody?
May 09 17:35:17 <dmalice> chrizc
May 09 17:35:22 <dmalice> pastebin your code and errors
May 09 17:35:24 <nplus> I'll take a look at things and probably create objects for each type of response
May 09 17:36:46 <canadiancow|work> how can you check if you're on the main thread
May 09 17:37:09 <canadiancow|work> Thread.currentThread().getId() == Looper.getMainLooper().getThread().getId() ??
May 09 17:37:11 <chrizc> dmalice; http://pastie.org/private/tzifoyer1bnlda6hnf3jjq error is line 51, "The type ActionBar.TabListener is not generic; it cannot be parameterized with arguments <Template>"
May 09 17:38:20 <SimonVT> They're defining their own TabListener class which is generic
May 09 17:38:39 <nebkat> why is it that when I have tabs with different widths my TabWidget gets some kind of padding added?
May 09 17:38:51 <chrizc> ohh.
May 09 17:38:54 <chrizc> alright.
May 09 17:40:45 <canadiancow|work> or Looper.getMainLooper().getThread() == Thread.currentThread() ??
May 09 17:41:25 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work: Looper.getMainLooper() == Looper.myLooper() or whatever it is
May 09 17:41:28 <dmalice> yeah chrizc, you parameterize that class
May 09 17:41:33 <dmalice> you can't*
May 09 17:42:14 <canadiancow|work> ok thanks evancharlton
May 09 17:43:14 <canadiancow|work> github changed their UI and its throwing me off
May 09 17:43:18 <canadiancow|work> even though it's so minor
May 09 17:43:34 <dmalice> tab listener is an interface which you must implement
May 09 17:43:41 <chrizc> alright, got it now, thanks dmalice
May 09 17:44:10 <dmalice> usually I'm not a big fan of tabs
May 09 17:45:45 <dmalice> I tend to just go the longer route and use buttons and regular fragments haha
May 09 17:45:47 <evancharlton> yeah, use spaces!!1
May 09 17:45:52 <pragma-> I remember back in September in the 90's, a lot of people were pasting code in the channel and it was all tolerated.  Of course, back then it was just us engineers, not a bunch of high school kids vomiting ill-conceived homework by teachers who couldn't get a programming job.
May 09 17:46:03 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 09 17:46:25 <pragma-> s/ill-conceived homework/homework ill-conceived/
May 09 17:46:39 <pragma-> "Today, let's learn about gets and scanf!"
May 09 17:46:57 <dmalice> in grade school i learned turbo pascal
May 09 17:47:05 <dmalice> and good old visual basic
May 09 17:47:10 <dmalice> good times
May 09 17:52:21 <readme> in high school i had to help the teacher complete her example bubble sort :)
May 09 17:54:03 <canadiancow|work> you did sorting in high school?
May 09 17:54:20 <canadiancow|work> my high school had the worst CS courses
May 09 17:54:44 <canadiancow|work> which were still better than everyone else i knew
May 09 17:54:58 <nplus> my high school only had "information technology" courses :(
May 09 17:55:01 <dmalice> yeah sorting in high school is pretty impressive
May 09 17:55:13 <dmalice> i don't think we were taught sort algorithms in my course
May 09 17:57:00 <canadiancow|work> we were taught how to make a new function
May 09 17:57:18 <canadiancow|work> anyone in the class who did any kind of progamming on their own was likely better than our teacher
May 09 17:58:00 <wongk> i had a 2 quarter class in basic
May 09 17:58:02 <pragma-> pft, my high school only had a typing class.
May 09 17:58:17 <Wavesonics> Pragma, ya mine too, only typing :/
May 09 17:58:19 <wongk> hey, it's pragma|home-!
May 09 17:58:27 <Wavesonics> and that was in the late 90s early 2000s!
May 09 17:58:42 <pragma-> wongk: more like pragma|retired-millionare-!
May 09 17:59:05 <wongk> s/6/half dozen/
May 09 17:59:27 <pragma-> s/12/baker's dozen/  # profit!
May 09 18:00:19 <readme> dmalice: hm, I guess I had a decent one :)
May 09 18:00:23 <readme> massachusetts.
May 09 18:00:45 <readme> canadiancow|work: we covered sorting for like a day, I think. maybe 2.
May 09 18:00:59 <readme> best thing we did in that class was magic squares.
May 09 18:01:20 <canadiancow|work> best thing my class did was "write a big program - worth 30% of your mark"
May 09 18:01:30 <canadiancow|work> most open-ended assignment ever
May 09 18:01:53 <wongk> i don't remember what I did in my class
May 09 18:02:08 <wongk> i just remember she usualy gave us a week and i usually finished on Monday
May 09 18:02:14 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 09 18:02:15 <canadiancow|work> yea
May 09 18:02:30 <canadiancow|work> i got in trouble for "hacking" in that class
May 09 18:02:32 <wongk> and then i read the anarchist's cookbook ;)
May 09 18:02:38 <canadiancow|work> because it was so boring and i started fucking around with the network
May 09 18:02:50 <dmalice> yeah i had something similar like that canadiancow
May 09 18:03:02 <dmalice> my partner and I ended up writing an IQ test app
May 09 18:03:11 <canadiancow|work> the teachers knew i had done something, but they couldnt prove it :)
May 09 18:03:45 <wongk> they should have called in the mounties!
May 09 18:04:00 <drlaban> canadiancow|work: Oh, that reminds me of my classmate who decided to send an email to all@myschool with an attached image of 300KB and it sunk the whole email server. Pissed of the principal and tech guys, it did...
May 09 18:04:09 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 09 18:05:08 <readme> i sent a lot of net send messages to my hs computers once.. a real lot.
May 09 18:05:20 <Wavesonics> drlaban, what in the world would they set up a mailing list like that for anyone to use!
May 09 18:05:25 <Wavesonics> *why
May 09 18:05:59 <canadiancow|work> we had some novell network crap
May 09 18:06:06 <drlaban> Wavesonics: Well, seeing this was about 15+ years ago and the school was pretty small and the tech guys didn't really know what they were doing....
May 09 18:06:07 <canadiancow|work> i was able to totally fuck up every client in the room
May 09 18:06:25 <Wavesonics> ah i see
May 09 18:07:19 <drlaban> readme: Argh, those bloody net sends. Sure took a while before the tech guys sorted out how to disable and cope with that. It was fun and annoying at the same time.
May 09 18:08:48 <Wavesonics> haha ya i loved doing netsend!
May 09 18:09:25 <Wavesonics> also one time i left a prompt open with "format C:" typed in, just waiting for someone to hit enter, and they freaked out :P
May 09 18:09:54 <canadiancow|work> one time i made a boot disk that had like format c: /q /y as an autorun
May 09 18:09:59 <canadiancow|work> and shut down the computer
May 09 18:10:01 <Wavesonics> I also used school computers to discover that yes, you can delete the C:\windows directory *while* windows was running.
May 09 18:10:08 <canadiancow|work> /q for quick, /y for "dont prompt"
May 09 18:10:09 <Wavesonics> haha nice
May 09 18:14:55 <readme> drlaban: our tech guys "fixed" it by disabling access to cmd.exe
May 09 18:15:02 <readme> which I bypassed with cmd.exe /k command.com
May 09 18:15:11 <readme> and continued my net send mischeif
May 09 18:17:21 <Chronax> Anybody have an answer for this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3497593/partially-open-slidingdrawer (Pretty please?)
May 09 18:17:47 <drlaban> readme: Hahaha! Awesome, you always kept them on their toes, didn't you? I bet your first message to your techs were "HAHA! Up yours! You can't stop me!"
May 09 18:19:06 <readme> drlaban: nah, the worst message I ever sent was 'hello world'
May 09 18:19:17 <readme> I just sent a real lot of them, to every computer on the network.
May 09 18:19:29 <evancharlton> Chronax: I hate to break it to you, but basically no one uses SlidingDrawer. Its use-case was the 1.0-1.6 launcher and beyond that? gone.
May 09 18:19:52 <evancharlton> so honestly, either roll up your sleeves and start hacking, or figure out a different UI paradigm :)
May 09 18:20:11 <snuy> where can I ask question regarding android os development?
May 09 18:20:28 <Chronax> Got it, thanks evancharlton. I was really hoping to not have to write it all by hand. Do you have any suggestions for alternatives?
May 09 18:20:34 <evancharlton> android-platform on google groups, snuy
May 09 18:20:53 <evancharlton> Chronax: I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to do so, no.
May 09 18:21:14 <Chronax> Well, do people use something in place of the SlidingDrawer for that UI convention?
May 09 18:21:29 <dmalice> animate views
May 09 18:21:42 <dmalice> plain old layouts
May 09 18:21:44 <dmalice> fragments
May 09 18:21:57 <dmalice> use of a fragment for the drawer would probably be ideal
May 09 18:22:25 <dmalice> in general, fragments for everything lol
May 09 18:23:19 <colsandurz> does anyone know why the android likes 192.168.42.129 for tethering?  And can I change the IP to anything on 192.168.1.1/16?
May 09 18:23:39 <colsandurz> 192.168.42.129 seems hard coded but I'm not sure
May 09 18:24:12 <wongk> colsandurz: this seems unrelated to android app development
May 09 18:25:44 <colsandurz> I'd like to change it with an app
May 09 18:25:47 <Chronax> Yeah, I dig that. I'm just not sure how to make them swipeable and "snap" into place.
May 09 18:26:02 <cokacokacoh> dmalice: i did sliding-drawer with a view animation, but i want to try re-writing it using a viewpager
May 09 18:26:50 <cokacokacoh> i think viewpager could do nicely with the swipable aspect, but also animating/snapping
May 09 18:27:23 <t0mless> I want to take a text view, rotate it counterclockwise 90 degrees, and have the top (left side after rotation) align with the left side of another view... is that possible in a RelativeLayout in xml?
May 09 18:27:41 <t0mless> because right now it seems to align the left side, then rotate round the center
May 09 18:28:09 <t0mless> which of course causes to not align properly
May 09 18:28:23 <t0mless> romainguy any ideas?
May 09 18:29:01 <romainguy> how do you rotate it?
May 09 18:29:16 <t0mless> using xml
May 09 18:29:27 <romainguy> how so?
May 09 18:29:31 <t0mless> android:rotationY="270"
May 09 18:29:33 <t0mless> I think
May 09 18:29:44 <t0mless> oh
May 09 18:29:46 <t0mless> just rotation
May 09 18:29:50 <t0mless> not rotationY
May 09 18:30:33 <pragma-> rotation is rarely just rotation.  you often also need to consider translation and scale.
May 09 18:30:35 <romainguy> the rotation is post layout
May 09 18:30:45 <romainguy> you can also change the rotation's origin
May 09 18:30:52 <t0mless> in xml?
May 09 18:31:00 <romainguy> pragma-: by default we set the rotation's origin to the center of the view
May 09 18:31:02 <romainguy> t0mless: yes
May 09 18:31:09 <romainguy> t0mless: pivotX and pivotY
May 09 18:31:15 <t0mless> ahh
May 09 18:31:50 <t0mless> can I tell it to align the center of the view with the left edge of another view in a relative layout?
May 09 18:33:11 <t0mless> hrm
May 09 18:33:20 <t0mless> might actually have to do it from java after it's measured
May 09 18:33:29 <t0mless> since the text inside changes dependent on a setting
May 09 18:34:08 <Knossos> romainguy: Are you familiar with this error: http://pastebin.com/CEk1EqcV ?
May 09 18:35:37 <t0mless> romainguy pivotX/Y are relative to that view's dimensions right? with (0,0) being in the top left?
May 09 18:35:48 <Knossos> Essentially it is a problem when I am going fullscreen with a flash video on ICS. This problem is mitigated by setWebChromeClient(...). That fixes the NPE, however it causes the whole WebView to freeze.
May 09 18:36:55 <Knossos> My current half-arsed fix is to override the onShowCustomView method, check for ICS and display a Dialog to explain to the user the situation. Not ideal.
May 09 18:37:09 <dschuett> http://pastebin.com/AHaf8Et6 why can't userid not be resolved to a variable on line 73?
May 09 18:37:56 <Knossos> userid is scoped to the for loop
May 09 18:38:38 <Knossos> Do you mean to put the success.equals()... inside the for loop?
May 09 18:38:57 <Knossos> That wouldn't make a huge amount of sense, considering the startActivity
May 09 18:39:44 <t0mless> dschuett scope.
May 09 18:40:05 <t0mless> dschuett you declared your int userid inside your for loop, so when the for loop exits, it no longer exists
May 09 18:40:08 <dschuett> so can i just define int userid = null; like the strings above?
May 09 18:40:19 <Knossos> no, int is a primitive
May 09 18:40:33 <Knossos> You need to make userid more accessible
May 09 18:40:42 <dschuett> so, what is the best way to preserve the int?
May 09 18:41:00 <dschuett> bare with me, this is litterally my second week of java.
May 09 18:41:04 <t0mless> declare it outside the for loop, but set it to a value you know isn't valid userid
May 09 18:41:06 <t0mless> like -1
May 09 18:41:18 <Knossos> Well it depends on what exactly you have in your JSON. You are going to be setting that userid constantly in that loop.
May 09 18:41:20 <dschuett> t0mless: thanks!
May 09 18:41:22 <t0mless> also, you do realize that for loop is stupid
May 09 18:41:39 <t0mless> and that you may as well just pull out the last element in the jArray and use it instead
May 09 18:41:48 <dschuett> do I even need that loop? - i guess it is only returning one array
May 09 18:41:53 <Knossos> Exactly t0mless.
May 09 18:42:05 <Knossos> Yeah, just get one item, that is confusing the issue really
May 09 18:42:21 <dschuett> Thanks guys!
May 09 18:42:23 <Knossos> remove the for loop, and your scope problem will fix itself
May 09 18:45:20 <dschuett> Knossos: when i remove the for loop it complains about json_data = jArray.getJSONObject(i); what to i pass into getJSONOject?
May 09 18:45:27 <Knossos> 0
May 09 18:45:52 <Knossos> make sure you do some error checking, make sure that it actually has an index 0, etc
May 09 18:46:03 <Knossos> Otherwise you are going to get some exceptions
May 09 18:46:16 <Knossos> (if you end up without an index 0)
May 09 18:46:32 <pragma-> "In ancient Japan, a wooden skewer known as chuugi was used for cleaning after defecation."
May 09 18:46:54 <Knossos> pragma-: Thats... Just lovely
May 09 18:47:26 <pragma-> Need youtube video to understand concept...
May 09 18:47:43 * pragma- mutters something about the three seashells.
May 09 18:48:21 <snuy> is there any good literature for android os development? such as programming a customized rom or sdk
May 09 18:48:41 <Knossos> I always recommend Commonsware
May 09 18:48:49 <Knossos> er
May 09 18:48:53 <Knossos> OS Development... No
May 09 18:49:31 <pragma-> I have found a demonstration.  http://www.poopreport.com/sites/default/files/poop%20and%20stick_0.jpg?1312385118
May 09 18:49:35 <t0mless> snuy can try asking in #android-root, they may know
May 09 18:49:46 <pragma-> That's what the Japanese people look like, right?
May 09 18:49:57 <Knossos> I think that may be a little off topic pragma-
May 09 18:54:37 <chrizc> when using the actionbar with Tabs, is there any way to force them onto their own row, even if they have enough room to be on the action bar?
May 09 18:57:10 <pragma-> tabs are so yesterday.  use a viewpager.
May 09 18:57:17 <chrizc> .-.
May 09 18:57:23 <chrizc> fucking.
May 09 18:57:38 <g00s> wth, is adobe charging for security updates now? i don't understand this. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-puts-a-price-tag-on-security-updates-for-Photoshop-and-others-1571517.html
May 09 18:57:46 <chrizc> first I tried tabhost, got told "wtf omg use actionbar newb"
May 09 18:57:51 <chrizc> now I get "wtf omg use viewpager newb"
May 09 18:59:00 <pragma-> use viewpagerindicator instead of actionbar for the tab part
May 09 18:59:06 <chrizc> fffffff
May 09 18:59:07 <chrizc> no.
May 09 18:59:08 <chrizc> I want tabs
May 09 18:59:09 <chrizc> ):
May 09 18:59:23 <chrizc> also I just spent the past two hours trying to figure out actionbar tabs. leave me alone ):
May 09 18:59:25 <pragma-> no, you want swiping and indicators.
May 09 18:59:31 <dschuett> Knossos: I understand what you mean by do some error checking to make sure that "it" returns 0, but what am i actually checking the JSONArray?
May 09 18:59:37 <chrizc> screw swiping.
May 09 18:59:54 <pragma-> tabs = 2 star ratings; swiping = 5 star ratings
May 09 18:59:58 <Knossos> if jarray.length > 0
May 09 19:00:10 <Knossos> Something along those lines.
May 09 19:00:23 <dschuett> ok, thanks... that makes sense.
May 09 19:00:27 <chrizc> who would rate lowly just because of a choice between tabs and swiping... surely the ratings are supposed to be based on the app's actually capability to do what it says it bloody well does.
May 09 19:00:48 <pragma-> chrizc: https://github.com/JakeWharton/Android-ViewPagerIndicator/blob/master/README.md
May 09 19:00:52 <SimonVT> Rating is an apps overall experience
May 09 19:00:52 <readme> the ratings are supposed to be based on the subjective opinion of your user
May 09 19:00:54 <chrizc> also - I'm not fishing for ratings. I'm making this for me, and for friends
May 09 19:00:55 <readme> that's why it's a ratint
May 09 19:00:56 <pragma-> zomg, 3 steps to set up a viewpagerindicator, so hard!
May 09 19:00:57 <drlaban> chrizc: Saying screw swiping is a bit like saying screw pinch/punch on images (or basically anything that isn't a viewpager)
May 09 19:00:58 <readme> rating*
May 09 19:00:58 <SimonVT> Actualy functionality is only part of that
May 09 19:01:05 <SimonVT> -y
May 09 19:01:26 <chrizc> so, why am i only now being told about viewpager, when I've been talking about ActionBar tabs for... two days now?
May 09 19:01:38 <pragma-> because you've finally found me
May 09 19:01:45 <pragma-> everything will be okay from now on
May 09 19:01:46 <Knossos> I love swiping. My only problem is that sometimes users have no idea they can swipe. (which is a good reason for using that VPI by Jake)
May 09 19:01:49 * pragma- comforts chrizc 
May 09 19:01:55 <readme> Swiper no swiping!
May 09 19:02:13 <readme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AarHxXD_vKY
May 09 19:02:20 <dandaman> anyone know how to keep an android gallery from scrolling past a certain position?
May 09 19:02:29 <drlaban> readme: YOu're Rick-Rolling, aren't you?
May 09 19:02:38 <dandaman> there is white space on the right and i dont want the gallery to be able to scroll to that part to see it
May 09 19:02:40 <readme> drlaban: dora the explorer
May 09 19:02:52 <dmalice> quick question, i've got an api call returning links http://etc. as http%3A%2F%2F
May 09 19:03:03 <dmalice> how do i get that to format into what I need to open it in a webview?
May 09 19:03:10 <readme> urldecode
May 09 19:03:15 <Knossos> dmalice: You need to unencode it.
May 09 19:03:20 <drlaban> readme: haha!
May 09 19:03:25 <Knossos> err. Yes. Decode. Not unencode :D
May 09 19:03:27 <dmalice> right
May 09 19:03:45 <Knossos> What readme said. URLDecode
May 09 19:04:06 <dmalice> ahhh
May 09 19:04:09 <dmalice> URLDecoder.decode
May 09 19:04:11 <dmalice> cool thanks
May 09 19:04:31 <chrizc> anyway - ignoring the fact i'm an idiot and should be using viewpager and I suck, blah blah blah blah blah... anyone wanna actually answer my question and tell me if it's possible to force actionbar tabs onto a second row, even if there's space on the action bar?
May 09 19:04:33 <dandaman> everyone keeps ignoring me :(
May 09 19:04:38 <dandaman> its like +i
May 09 19:04:45 <dandaman> err +m
May 09 19:04:52 <chrizc> aaaaactually, looking at it, it looks quite nice. nevermind my question
May 09 19:05:04 <dandaman> and i'm the only one without +v
May 09 19:05:07 <Knossos> dandaman: People answer if they know an answer :P
May 09 19:05:18 <dandaman> Knossos: so there is no answer
May 09 19:05:20 <pragma-> Knossos: not always
May 09 19:05:34 <pragma-> Some people just like to watch others squirm.
May 09 19:05:36 <Knossos> Nobody said that
May 09 19:06:03 * pragma- points at Knossos.
May 09 19:06:17 <Knossos> I've only used Gallery once or twice. And I've never experienced a whitespace that you talk about. Doesn't mean that an answer doesn't exist.
May 09 19:06:35 <pragma-> pro-tip, get quickpic instead.
May 09 19:06:46 <rymate1234> ohhhh
May 09 19:06:48 <pragma-> Gallery and Gallery3D both suck epically.
May 09 19:06:53 <rymate1234> ohi chrizc
May 09 19:07:11 <chrizc> gtfo rymate1234
May 09 19:07:11 <chrizc> ):
May 09 19:07:19 <pragma-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alensw.PicFolder
May 09 19:07:20 <chrizc> since when have you idled here
May 09 19:07:48 <pragma-> rymate1234, chrizc: haiguize, I go to the same hi skool!
May 09 19:07:57 <rymate1234> since I started android developement and cbf to continue
May 09 19:08:10 <chrizc> actually, no, he idles in a channel in another network.
May 09 19:08:21 <pragma-> brx is now known as /ignored/
May 09 19:08:23 <chrizc> aaaaalso, I no longer go to "high school"
May 09 19:08:50 <rymate1234> I idle in a lot of IRC channels
May 09 19:08:56 <rymate1234> I occasionally talk
May 09 19:09:01 <pragma-> rymate1234: no way, me too
May 09 19:09:13 <pragma-> rymate1234: we have so much in common!
May 09 19:09:23 <rymate1234> lol
May 09 19:09:40 <tapas> now kiss!
May 09 19:10:02 <rymate1234> ewww no
May 09 19:10:13 <tapas> http://stickerish.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NowKissBlackSS.png
May 09 19:10:15 <pragma-> I'm only 16, I'm not old enough to kiss
May 09 19:10:18 <rymate1234> I don't like people with random _'s in their name
May 09 19:10:21 <pragma-> and I'm waiting for the right guy, anyway
May 09 19:10:23 <rymate1234> I'm ony 15!
May 09 19:10:37 <raghavsood> I'm 15 as well!!
May 09 19:10:47 <chrizc> oh my god I feel like a pedophile in this room
May 09 19:10:49 <chrizc> entire team is babby.
May 09 19:10:57 <readme> guys want to stfu plz thx
May 09 19:10:59 <tapas> so both of you are CIA agents?
May 09 19:11:00 <pragma-> and camping
May 09 19:11:03 <raghavsood> Sure. Bet I'm doing better than you.
May 09 19:11:07 <raghavsood> Nah.
May 09 19:11:21 <raghavsood> I'm an Indian. CIA is on the wrong side of the world for me.
May 09 19:11:49 <pragma-> raghavsood: feathers in your hair or dot on your forehead?
May 09 19:11:57 <readme> not really, i'm sure there's tons of CIA agents in india right now
May 09 19:12:01 <readme> probably in pakistan, too.
May 09 19:12:03 <Younos> the cia has an unmanned probe in the ass of every inhabitant of this world o.O
May 09 19:12:05 <rymate1234> HEY
May 09 19:12:11 <rymate1234> WHO HERE PLAY'S COD?
May 09 19:12:16 <raghavsood> Well, I'm not a CIA guy.
May 09 19:12:17 <rymate1234> *troll*
May 09 19:12:43 <pragma-> COD is for noobs who can't handle BF3
May 09 19:12:59 <Wavesonics> BF3 rocks
May 09 19:13:01 <storkme> bf3 is for noobs who can't handle shooting people irl
May 09 19:13:18 <Wavesonics> lol
May 09 19:13:23 <rymate1234> shooting people irl is for noobs who played CoD
May 09 19:13:26 <pragma-> storkme: the problem with shooting people irl is that once you've shot them, you have to find fresh people
May 09 19:13:55 <pragma-> fortunately the US has an entire department dedicated to that
May 09 19:14:36 <wongk> the department of immigration?
May 09 19:19:58 <chrizc> is there any way to customize the padding between two action items on the actionbar?
May 09 19:20:09 <nebkat> why is it that when I have tabs with different widths my TabWidget gets some kind of padding added?
May 09 19:20:31 <pragma-> nebkat: because you want to use viewpager and viewpagerindicator
May 09 19:20:46 <nebkat> pragma-: ?
May 09 19:20:53 <pragma-> nebkat: .
May 09 19:20:58 <ctate> ha ha
May 09 19:21:07 <chrizc> I swear to high hell, pragma-, you should marry viewpager.
May 09 19:21:11 <nebkat> fuuuu
May 09 19:21:14 <ctate> nebkat: TabActivity etc are deprecated.
May 09 19:21:18 <ctate> Fragments are the future.
May 09 19:21:20 <nebkat> ctate: its not a tabactivity
May 09 19:21:22 <ctate> and the present
May 09 19:21:22 <nebkat> its the launcher lol
May 09 19:21:29 <ctate> and, via support libs, the past
May 09 19:21:33 <ctate> world without end, amen.
May 09 19:21:34 <nebkat> its the AppsCustomizePagedView TabHost
May 09 19:21:38 <nebkat> AppsCustomizeTabHost that is
May 09 19:21:45 <pragma-> ctate: 1.6, even?
May 09 19:21:52 <chrizc> is there any way to customize the padding between two action items on the actionbar?
May 09 19:21:55 <ctate> ahh i see
May 09 19:22:02 <ctate> pragma-: doesnt ABS go back to donut?
May 09 19:22:07 <ctate> for all eight users
May 09 19:22:31 <pragma-> My app has 25 percent of the donut marketspace!
May 09 19:22:32 <pragma-> nice.
May 09 19:22:43 <ctate> pragma-: as i said :)
May 09 19:22:51 * pragma- hugs his 2 users.
May 09 19:23:10 <chrizc> so... nobody knows how to change the padding between two action items on the action bar?
May 09 19:23:34 <nebkat> ctate: is TabHost deprecated?
May 09 19:23:43 <SimonVT> ctate: ABS only goes to eclair
May 09 19:23:49 <pragma-> My apk increased from 120K to 210K after adding android.compatability.v4.jar :(
May 09 19:24:06 <ctate> nebkat: no, sorry; TabActivity is but not TabHost
May 09 19:24:14 <SimonVT> That makes no sense to me ;O
May 09 19:24:20 <nebkat> soo any ideas what this could be?
May 09 19:24:23 <SimonVT> TabActivity just wraps tabhost
May 09 19:25:10 <ctate> err, no?
May 09 19:25:11 <nebkat> when I add two tabs of different size there is some kind of padding in the tabwidget
May 09 19:25:13 <ctate> TabHost is a layout
May 09 19:25:19 <nebkat> makes it much wider
May 09 19:25:23 <ctate> TabActivity is a whole multiple-Activity-instance context model etc
May 09 19:25:24 <raghavsood> chrizc: Looking for something like this http://bit.ly/LfkiNJ?
May 09 19:25:26 <nebkat> could it be related to the ScrollView surrounding it?
May 09 19:25:28 <ctate> entirely different kettle of fish
May 09 19:25:49 <chrizc> raghavsood; that's the exact page I managed to google, but I can't understand what goes where and on what
May 09 19:25:58 <SimonVT> oh
May 09 19:26:08 <raghavsood> The second bit of XML is a style.
May 09 19:26:29 <raghavsood> Not sure where the first bit goes.
May 09 19:26:35 <raghavsood> Haven't used the ActionBar much.
May 09 19:26:39 <pragma-> g00s: oh, and because pirates.
May 09 19:26:52 <raghavsood> I'm just giving you what I found on Google :P
May 09 19:26:58 <chrizc> so where do I define styles? res/style/ActionButtonStyle.xml
May 09 19:26:58 <chrizc> ?
May 09 19:27:01 <pragma-> g00s: re photoshop no longer providing security updates for existing photoshop products without paid upgrade.
May 09 19:27:28 <pragma-> g00s: only hurts the paying customers anyway -- pirates will still be able to steal it from the store and upload it.
May 09 19:27:36 <pragma-> more often than not, the pirate WORKS at the store.
May 09 19:27:36 <g00s> :(
May 09 19:28:13 <raghavsood> chrizc: Styles go in res/values/filename.xml
May 09 19:28:22 <chrizc> .-. I am confus.
May 09 19:28:34 <pragma-> chrizc: your face is deformed
May 09 19:28:41 <raghavsood> See http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/themes.html for details on styling.
May 09 19:28:44 <chrizc> pragma-; I'm just upside down.
May 09 19:29:07 <umopepisdn`> chrizc: hey, me too!
May 09 19:29:17 <chrizc> .-.
May 09 19:29:27 <umopepisdn`> ._.
May 09 19:29:31 <chrizc> I read your name as "umom pepsi"
May 09 19:29:43 <chrizc> and I strongly dislike pepsi.
May 09 19:29:44 <chrizc> ):
May 09 19:29:47 <umopepisdn`> :(
May 09 19:30:14 <raghavsood> I'm allergic to pepsi :/
May 09 19:30:21 <umopepisdn`> ... how?
May 09 19:30:21 <raghavsood> Wrong emoticon.
May 09 19:30:21 <chrizc> I'm a diet coke man myself.
May 09 19:30:27 <chrizc> Ooor cider. Cider's good.
May 09 19:30:42 <raghavsood> IDK the exact details. Allergic to some of the preservatives and shit in it.
May 09 19:30:45 <raghavsood> Can't have coke either.
May 09 19:30:53 <NatureTM> hi, when I try to restore purchases with in-app billing, I keep getting RESULT_SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE.  The dev guide says this "Indicates that the network connection is down."  The network on my device is working.  Anyone know of another reason this happens?
May 09 19:31:22 <raghavsood> NatureTM: Are you on a company network?
May 09 19:31:34 <raghavsood> Or any other setup that might block certain outgoing traffic?
May 09 19:31:51 <NatureTM> I don't think so.  Just on a wifi connection in my house
May 09 19:33:45 <raghavsood> NatureTM: Try opening Google Play (still don't get the name), pressing the home button and then starting your app and trying.
May 09 19:34:06 <NatureTM> I did that too, but I will again for good measure
May 09 19:34:30 <NatureTM> hmm... google play store crashed the first time.
May 09 19:34:45 <Wavesonics> any freelance devs in here?
May 09 19:35:10 <pragma-> Wavesonics: I profitlance
May 09 19:35:15 <Wavesonics> :P
May 09 19:35:26 <NatureTM> raghavsood, still the same response
May 09 19:35:34 <readme> Wavesonics: yes
May 09 19:36:21 <raghavsood> NatureTM: I'm all out then. Last thing I can think of is that your WiFi might be working, but not have an uplink to the actual internet.
May 09 19:36:30 <raghavsood> That's all I got. Sorry.
May 09 19:36:44 <chrizc> erm, alright, trying to retheme ActionBarSherlock's Theme.Sherlock, and Eclipse is giving me the error "error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name: attr 'minWidth'."
May 09 19:36:50 <chrizc> same for paddingLeft, and paddingRight.
May 09 19:36:51 <wongk> Wavesonics: i'd be happy to deliver something late and over budget for you
May 09 19:36:57 <Wavesonics> lol
May 09 19:36:58 <chrizc> The ABS page tells me to do both android:<x> and <x>
May 09 19:37:05 <chrizc> but Eclipse won't build because of this
May 09 19:37:10 <NatureTM> raghavsood, I can browse the web, so not it either, but I appreciate the input
May 09 19:37:25 <chrizc> here's the xml: http://pastie.org/private/z0crv7fjxtcipz6klpgnsg
May 09 19:37:47 <readme> nice github got rid of that ridiculous smily face icon
May 09 19:39:19 <raghavsood> chrizc: Removing all the lines without the android: prefix compiles fine for me.
May 09 19:39:42 <chrizc> raghavsood; of course it does, but ABS says to put the ones without the android: prefix to be pre-3.0 compatible
May 09 19:39:54 <chrizc> Due to limitations in Android's theming system any theme customizations must be declared in two attributes. The normal android-prefixed attributes apply the theme to the native action bar and the unprefixed attributes are for the custom implementation
May 09 19:40:07 <SimonVT> Any attributes in your theme
May 09 19:40:10 <SimonVT> Not every single style
May 09 19:40:48 <SimonVT> Why does your theme have minWidth
May 09 19:41:14 <chrizc> yeah, now that I've removed the non-android prefixed ones, my 2.3.5 gingerbread device doesn't apply the styles
May 09 19:41:17 <SimonVT> Also, this just goes for stuff related to the actionbar
May 09 19:41:30 <chrizc> SimonVT; to override the padding and such between action items on the actionbar.
May 09 19:41:35 <g00s> if g00s could get a penny for every minute somebody had problems with actionbars ...
May 09 19:41:45 <g00s> or tabs :)
May 09 19:41:55 <rymate1234> lol
May 09 19:42:23 <chrizc> SimonVT; so, any idea what to do?
May 09 19:42:28 <rymate1234> If #android-dev got a penny for everytime they sucessfully helped chrizc
May 09 19:42:36 <rymate1234> they would be very poor
May 09 19:42:37 <SimonVT> iirc that's not possible
May 09 19:42:39 <chrizc> they'd get about 1p.
May 09 19:42:51 <chrizc> SimonVT; other people have done it, they claim.
May 09 19:42:56 <SimonVT> Ask them
May 09 19:43:14 <chrizc> .-. I can't. they're random stackoverflow'ers
May 09 19:44:00 <chrizc> also, how interesting... on a 4.0 emulator, when I press a tab on the action bar, the actionbar itself loses it's background...
May 09 19:44:48 <pragma-> The emulator is kind of whack.
May 09 19:45:25 <chrizc> anyway. I guess these buttons will have to do.
May 09 19:45:36 <pragma-> or a viewpagerindicator
May 09 19:45:41 <chrizc> no. gtfo. ):
May 09 19:48:43 <rymate1234> ewwwwww emulator
May 09 19:50:19 <storkme> viewpager or gtfo
May 09 19:51:43 <rymate1234> ....why can't you just help him?
May 09 19:51:56 <rymate1234> >hey, how should I do this?
May 09 19:52:05 <rymate1234> >"NONONONONO USE DIS"
May 09 19:52:28 <raghavsood> lol
May 09 19:53:35 <SimonVT> We're helping him
May 09 19:53:47 <SimonVT> Helping him think for himself, instead of just following whatever he's told on irc
May 09 19:55:04 <rymate1234> lol
May 09 19:55:16 <wongk> teach a man to fish, yes?
May 09 19:56:59 <pragma-> teach a man to fish and he'll threaten your ecosystem.
May 09 19:58:01 <wongk> my ecosystem likes a challenge
May 09 19:58:15 <DarsVaeda> how do I redownload the sdk from eclipse?
May 09 19:58:18 <DarsVaeda> is that possible?
May 09 19:58:51 <dragorn> I believe the SDK is downloaded independently, eclipse handles the plugin parts
May 09 19:58:58 <pragma-> dragorn: nope, you have to reinstall Windows
May 09 19:59:15 <dragorn> Pragma: no my winders...
May 09 19:59:26 <pragma-> DarsVaeda: Help --> Update or something.
May 09 20:00:16 <DarsVaeda> nope that doesnt trigger the window
May 09 20:00:43 <DarsVaeda> hrm then the to manual download...
May 09 20:00:56 <pragma-> DarsVaeda: use android.bat/SDK Manager.exe and stick with ant/vim/gnu-tools
May 09 20:01:06 <WeeJeWel> Hey guys.. my launcher (ADW) keeps crashing, so I can not enable developer mode to install another apk. What can I do?
May 09 20:01:22 <pragma-> The only thing I like from Eclipse is MAT, and thankfully you can install it as a stand-alone app without Eclipse.
May 09 20:01:32 <chrizc> is there any way to make an AVD pretend to be in landscape mode?
May 09 20:01:32 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: uninstall ADW
May 09 20:01:39 <DarsVaeda> I can't run exe :P
May 09 20:01:40 <evancharlton> chrizc: numpad+7 or F11
May 09 20:01:45 <chrizc> ooh, fanceh.
May 09 20:01:46 <WeeJeWel> evancharlton duh.. how?
May 09 20:01:53 <pragma-> DarsVaeda: then android.sh, etc
May 09 20:02:08 <chrizc> evancharlton; erm, not doing anything q_q
May 09 20:02:11 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: adb uninstall org.adw.launcher
May 09 20:02:26 <WeeJeWel> evancharlton i just said i couldnt enable developer mode :?
May 09 20:02:42 <WeeJeWel> if i only could use adb..
May 09 20:03:03 <SimonVT> Install another launcher through web ui
May 09 20:03:04 <SuD> WeeJeWel: recovery mode, then wipe or hopefully have adb access then ?
May 09 20:03:04 <SimonVT> Hit home
May 09 20:03:06 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: oh, right. You can reboot to safe mode but how to do that depends on your phone
May 09 20:03:16 <WeeJeWel> SuD no recovery mode on this device :(
May 09 20:03:21 <dragorn> simon's got it
May 09 20:03:28 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: it's usually holding HOME when the boot animation starts
May 09 20:03:47 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: every device should have recovery...?
May 09 20:04:13 <SuD> your manufacturer proably has an emergency procedure which will allow you to wipe
May 09 20:04:48 <dragorn> do what simonvt said - install another home launcher from the market website, then hit 'home' and it'll ask what you want to use
May 09 20:04:56 <SuD> but i'd try what they said first
May 09 20:04:57 <chrizc> whaaat the hell ):
May 09 20:05:01 <WeeJeWel> Well there's a hole for a pin, and it puts the device in some sort of low level mode.. but disconnect after 1s from my computer :/
May 09 20:05:02 <pragma-> it could be some unauthorized third-party black-market phone with dubious hardware and software
May 09 20:05:14 <WeeJeWel> pragma- it definitely is cheap :p
May 09 20:05:20 <evancharlton> what device is this?
May 09 20:05:32 <WeeJeWel> ProMedia tablet, sold at a local supermarket in the netherlands
May 09 20:05:34 <bfrog> does anyone just use makefiles for android or is that like a taboo idea because there's no xml involved
May 09 20:05:35 <SuD> it's a Bogus 1000
May 09 20:05:45 <bfrog> this xml stuff is a big WTF to me
May 09 20:05:56 <WeeJeWel> I can copy files to it's internal memory though.. could it be of use?
May 09 20:05:58 <bfrog> like the ant build.xml file
May 09 20:06:14 <chrizc> ICS's native action bar is grouping all of my tabs as a drop-down when I go into landscape mode... how do I stop this?
May 09 20:06:15 <SuD> WeeJeWel: can you delete the APK of AWD ?
May 09 20:06:15 <evancharlton> WeeJeWel: how did you install ADW?
May 09 20:06:45 <WeeJeWel> evancharlton it's already on there, just did a factory reset
May 09 20:06:45 <pragma-> I recommend Go Launcher Ex.
May 09 20:06:50 <WeeJeWel> SuD: nope..
May 09 20:06:54 <SuD> would copy the apk to /data/app/ work?
May 09 20:07:27 <WeeJeWel> It's just an 'sd card', i have no access to the fs
May 09 20:07:56 <wongk> out of curiosity, what happens after it FCs?
May 09 20:08:04 <WeeJeWel> FC's again xd
May 09 20:08:09 <wongk> so it relaunches
May 09 20:08:11 <WeeJeWel> yeah
May 09 20:08:15 <wongk> fun
May 09 20:08:31 <chrizc> okay, simple question: how do I stop this and make them all separate tabs: http://puu.sh/tPFO
May 09 20:08:42 <pragma-> chrizc: by using a viewpager
May 09 20:08:54 <chrizc> pragma- I swear to god I'm going to smack you soon.
May 09 20:08:57 <chrizc> fuck off with your viewpager
May 09 20:09:00 <chrizc> I'm not going to use a viewpager
May 09 20:09:24 <wongk> pragma-: sounds like you've almost broken him down!
May 09 20:10:12 <SimonVT> chrizc: You don't
May 09 20:10:28 <chrizc> SimonVT; but it does it on 2.3.5 gingerbread...
May 09 20:10:34 <SuD> yesterday i could resurrect an Airis Onepad 700 by reflashing it. I'm happy though it's a cheap and old hardware
May 09 20:10:35 <chrizc> why does 4.0 have to make it different
May 09 20:10:38 <pragma-> chrizc: by the way, your magnifying glass icon was drawn with a crayon?
May 09 20:10:49 <chrizc> I don't want them all grouped...
May 09 20:11:00 <chrizc> pragma- it was a free online clip-art I'm using as placeholder.
May 09 20:11:04 <pragma-> chrizc: you can use viewpager and viewpagerindicator on 1.6, 2.x, 3.x and 4.x
May 09 20:11:07 <SimonVT> How the tabs are displayed depends on screen size and orientation
May 09 20:11:21 <t0mless> why not use the build in framework art as placeholders?
May 09 20:11:35 <t0mless> infact, there is a pretty nice search one if I remember right
May 09 20:11:50 <chrizc> SimonVT; on my actual 2.3.5 device which is smaller than the AVD, on landscape, it shows all the tabs seperate.
May 09 20:11:56 <chrizc> whyyyyyyy does the 4.0 avd group them.
May 09 20:12:01 <chrizc> aaand hoooow do I stop it
May 09 20:12:07 <pragma-> chrizc: viewpagerindicator
May 09 20:12:14 <chrizc> ./kb pragma-
May 09 20:12:17 <t0mless> lol
May 09 20:12:22 <t0mless> empty threat
May 09 20:12:31 <t0mless> but yea, not sure you can stop the compact mode
May 09 20:12:44 <chrizc> well then that's fairly retarded.
May 09 20:12:46 <wongk> chrizc: ignore is a handy feature
May 09 20:12:56 <pragma-> wongk: that's mean :
May 09 20:13:03 <chrizc> wongk; pragma- occasionally (sp?) has good input
May 09 20:13:10 * pragma- points at chrizc 
May 09 20:13:12 <dandaman> https://gist.github.com/2648486
May 09 20:13:13 <wongk> when did that happen?!
May 09 20:13:20 <pragma-> wongk: at least twice today.
May 09 20:13:22 <dandaman> this is the source code for the gallery widget
May 09 20:13:29 <dandaman> what do they mean the user has moved more than the slp amount
May 09 20:13:31 <t0mless> I've seen pragma- be very useful
May 09 20:13:32 <dandaman> slop*
May 09 20:13:35 <dandaman> in the comment
May 09 20:13:59 <chrizc> anyway, if it is physically impossible to stop this retarded trainwreck of a feature, how do I atleast rename the menu tab?
May 09 20:14:05 <chrizc> so instead of "HOME" it says "MENU"
May 09 20:14:07 <SimonVT> They have to drag a minimum of X before it's actually a scroll
May 09 20:14:08 <chrizc> then lists the three tabs below it.
May 09 20:14:09 * wongk <-- skeptical
May 09 20:14:11 <pragma-> chrizc: I have a suggestion!
May 09 20:14:18 <SimonVT> x is the slop
May 09 20:14:34 <pragma-> slop? or slope?
May 09 20:14:35 <chrizc> pragma- if it was possible to punch someone over the internet, oh boy would I have fun with you.
May 09 20:14:49 <dandaman> SimonVT: so if the user has moved more right than there are images to display?
May 09 20:15:00 <t0mless> slop
May 09 20:15:04 <SimonVT> Every click consists of a down event, (maybe) several move events and an up event
May 09 20:15:15 <SimonVT> If a move event meant a scroll, clicks wouldn't be possible
May 09 20:15:21 <t0mless> they don't want to do a fling to next photo if the x movement was less than some amount
May 09 20:15:28 <chrizc> anyway, if it is physically impossible to stop this retarded trainwreck of a feature, how do I atleast rename the menu tab?
May 09 20:15:33 <dandaman> ahh i se
May 09 20:15:48 <evancharlton> chrizc, pragma-: both of you chill out
May 09 20:15:59 <t0mless> chrizc you go change the name of it wherever it's defined
May 09 20:16:02 <SimonVT> So a minimum move is selected before it's a scroll.. And they call it slop for some reason
May 09 20:16:07 <t0mless> might be in strings.xml, might be in your java code
May 09 20:16:11 <SimonVT> s/selected/something else/
May 09 20:16:13 <t0mless> might be in your menu xml
May 09 20:16:15 <SimonVT> required maybe
May 09 20:16:20 <pragma-> touch slop.  interesting.
May 09 20:16:21 <chrizc> t0mless; but won't that rename the first tab in the list, too?
May 09 20:16:42 <t0mless> I that that's what you wanted to rename?
May 09 20:17:08 <chrizc> no, I want to rename the button that opens the stupid menu of tabs, not the first tab
May 09 20:17:15 <t0mless> oh, the one at the top on the bar displays whatever tab you're on
May 09 20:17:17 <t0mless> it's not a menu
May 09 20:17:35 <t0mless> it's really a Spinner
May 09 20:17:51 <chrizc> oh.
May 09 20:18:08 <chrizc> that's... even more stupid.
May 09 20:18:11 <t0mless> if you select a different tab, it changes
May 09 20:18:15 <t0mless> it is? I think it's nice
May 09 20:18:23 <chrizc> it's very idiot-prone
May 09 20:18:35 <pragma-> "touch slop, that is the amount touch can wander before we decide it’s a drag event rather than a long press"
May 09 20:18:44 <t0mless> Not really... It lets users know what screen their on
May 09 20:18:52 <t0mless> they're*
May 09 20:19:16 * t0mless touches pragma-'s slop
May 09 20:19:25 <g00s> :O
May 09 20:19:25 <t0mless> wait... that was a bad idea
May 09 20:19:34 * t0mless goes to disinfect
May 09 20:19:36 <g00s> t0mless: i never would have thought !!?
May 09 20:20:08 <storkme> i dunno, i like the viewpager.. what's more it's bbecoming a common ui componnent in android, which is far more important than what you think of it
May 09 20:20:20 * pragma- horrifiedly searches his body for slop.
May 09 20:20:24 <t0mless> yea, viewpager works nice
May 09 20:21:03 <chrizc> fuck viewpager. ):
May 09 20:21:11 <chrizc> am I the only person who enjoys tabs?
May 09 20:21:19 <readme> yes
May 09 20:21:22 <pragma-> tabs are a pain to click
May 09 20:21:29 <chrizc> wow, one tap
May 09 20:21:29 <chrizc> my god.
May 09 20:21:35 <chrizc> you /must/ be american.
May 09 20:21:37 <readme> the swipe is becoming a ubiquitous way to switch screens
May 09 20:21:48 <wongk> i actually don't think i've used an android app with tabs
May 09 20:21:48 <pragma-> chrizc: what are you, chinese?
May 09 20:21:53 <g00s> problem is, when you have a viewpager hosting something that is controlled by swiping gestures, like panning around a map or chart
May 09 20:21:53 <chrizc> English.
May 09 20:21:55 <readme> chrizc: guess who else are americans... the framework engineers :)
May 09 20:22:05 <SimonVT> You can have both tabs and viewpager
May 09 20:22:05 <chrizc> I know ):
May 09 20:22:46 <g00s> thats what i do :) but there is no swiping
May 09 20:22:51 <readme> swiper no swiping!
May 09 20:22:53 <wongk> viewpager + horizontal scroll = problem
May 09 20:22:55 <g00s> NO SWIPING FOR YOU !
May 09 20:23:07 <readme> g00s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AarHxXD_vKY
May 09 20:23:36 <g00s> readme: O.O
May 09 20:23:47 <g00s> hehe
May 09 20:24:28 <t0mless> hrm
May 09 20:24:32 <t0mless> well that was fun
May 09 20:24:36 * t0mless kicks his router
May 09 20:26:37 <pragma-> chrizc: so you're a pikey?
May 09 20:26:44 <chrizc> I'm a what
May 09 20:27:12 <chrizc> I'm a gentlemen, sir.
May 09 20:27:41 <wongk> thanks to guy ritchie, i understood that question ;)
May 09 20:27:43 <pragma-> You may want to get help for that MPD.
May 09 20:27:51 <chrizc> ...what
May 09 20:27:58 <pragma-> chrizc: viewpager.
May 09 20:28:07 <chrizc> fuck. viewpager.
May 09 20:28:13 <pragma-> :D
May 09 20:28:54 <g00s> so, if i use intellij, what features can i expect to miss from ADT ?
May 09 20:29:33 <g00s> does intellij automatically format my xml according to guidelines like the adt does, for exmaple ?
May 09 20:29:36 <g00s> eclipse is slaying me
May 09 20:30:05 <SimonVT> no
May 09 20:30:19 <g00s> what about library projects ?
May 09 20:30:26 <SimonVT> What about them
May 09 20:30:42 <g00s> does intellij handle them the way the adt does ?
May 09 20:31:44 <SimonVT> I'm not sure what the question is, but yeah, intellij supports library projects
May 09 20:32:23 <g00s> will it handle the situation where 2 library projects have a common dependency (jar, other library project, etc? )
May 09 20:32:51 <SimonVT> Kinda
May 09 20:33:02 <SimonVT> You're responsible for adding jars as dependencies on the lib project modules
May 09 20:33:14 <SimonVT> You get a choice between provided, compiled and something else
May 09 20:33:31 <SimonVT> Provided and they're not compiled in
May 09 20:33:43 <SimonVT> Just don't compile in the same jar in two projects
May 09 20:34:31 <g00s> i'm glad nobody has brought up maven on this discussion of dependencies ;)
May 09 20:34:48 <t0mless> Jake's not here ;)
May 09 20:34:49 <SimonVT> Jake's not online
May 09 20:34:52 <SimonVT> damn
May 09 20:36:56 <g00s> hmm, lion 10.7.4 update is here
May 09 20:45:18 <readme> maven is far back on a log backlog of things I want to learn and do.
May 09 20:45:24 <readme> long*
May 09 20:45:42 <readme> intellij is pretty much a never now, as it works terribly on linux mint
May 09 20:45:48 <readme> doesn't matter which jvm I use, either.
May 09 20:46:18 <t0mless> bummer
May 09 20:46:28 <t0mless> terribly how?
May 09 20:46:32 <readme> i'll be getting a mac eventually, but by then I probably won't care enough to try intellij anymore
May 09 20:46:36 <readme> http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-84811
May 09 20:46:39 <readme> http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-84810
May 09 20:46:41 <readme> thats how
May 09 20:46:49 <Niya> Can an Activity be given a new Window without it being destroyed?  (I guess it makes sense the answer is yes?)
May 09 20:47:00 <chrizc> why is the virtual keyboard hidden in my AVD when I specify a custom resolution?
May 09 20:47:00 <chrizc> and how do I un-hide it?
May 09 20:47:09 <t0mless> oh right, I remember you mentioning those bugs a while ago
May 09 20:47:13 <RustyShackleford> I'm having a difficult time setting up a ViewPager
May 09 20:47:14 <RustyShackleford> I've looked the example in the docs. I don't understand how any of this fits together
May 09 20:47:16 <readme> yeah its a shame
May 09 20:47:18 <pragma-> okay, who farted?
May 09 20:47:18 <tank-man> Niya, yea just load a new layout xml file
May 09 20:47:25 <readme> but they're so fundamental it's impossible for me to use.
May 09 20:47:26 <t0mless> I did.
May 09 20:47:30 <t0mless> Burrito for lunch
May 09 20:47:56 <readme> wasn't me. my only meal today was a glass of carrot celery juice.
May 09 20:47:56 <Niya> tank-man: No, I mean, I'm getting a BadTokenException and I'm trying to understand how
May 09 20:48:17 <readme> you've got a bad token
May 09 20:48:19 <readme> ;P
May 09 20:48:32 <Niya> Everyone else who's gotten it has pretty much been using application context, but I'm definitely not
May 09 20:48:52 <t0mless> chrizc did you define a hardware keyboard?
May 09 20:49:01 <readme> http://phenotypical.com/28191316
May 09 20:50:11 <t0mless> wtfffff why is my view not rotating with the top left as a pivot when I put pivotX/Y as 0?
May 09 20:50:56 <readme> t0mless: where *is* it rotating then?
May 09 20:51:10 <t0mless> looks like the center
May 09 20:51:19 <readme> it says right in the doc of rotateanimation, though
May 09 20:51:56 <readme> hmm
May 09 20:52:22 <hesperaux> what's it called when you put a database handle to sleep?
May 09 20:53:20 <readme> wrong
May 09 20:53:32 <readme> @hesperaux
May 09 20:53:51 <readme> t0mless: I'm looking at my code that uses RotateAnimation and to get it to rotate on center I had to calculate the pivot
May 09 20:54:05 <t0mless> hrm
May 09 20:54:09 <readme> i.e. (w/2, h/2)
May 09 20:54:13 <t0mless> I'm defining it in xml
May 09 20:54:16 <t0mless> on a textview
May 09 20:54:25 <t0mless> I just want it to rotate from the top left corner
May 09 20:54:26 <readme> I've got xml rotateanimation working too, and I think that actually rotated on the center..
May 09 20:54:34 * readme looks at his other code
May 09 20:54:39 <hesperaux> i remember reading about not closing the handle and not leaving it open either. it might have been for a cursor
May 09 20:54:42 <t0mless> but pivotX and Y set to 0 doesn't do it
May 09 20:57:21 <gilead> my app uses no more than about 11MB of RAM on Android 2.x but somehow it manages to crash with an OOME on 3.2. It *does* *not* use Bitmaps (that's what 99.9% of questions on the net are about).
May 09 20:57:22 <gilead> Instead it fails when reading data into ByteBuffer from a ReadableByteChannel, namely in a channel.read(myBuffer) call which is totally ridiculous... any ideas where should I even start debugging this?
May 09 20:57:30 <readme> t0mless: hm, to get it to pivot on the center in XML, I also had to calculate it.
May 09 20:57:40 <readme> I used pivotX="50%" & pivotY="50%"
May 09 20:57:52 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/nifty/blob/master/res/anim/nifty_rotate_indefinitely.xml
May 09 20:57:55 <hrnt> gilead: what does DDMS say when it runs the GC?
May 09 20:58:08 <gilead> ...it manages to OOME Honeycomb after allocating full 48MB or RAM... over 4x when 2.x memory usage.
May 09 20:58:13 <t0mless> yea, apparently it defaults to center in xml
May 09 20:58:18 <pragma-> gilead: dump a hprof and use MAT to analyze it
May 09 20:58:22 <t0mless> but why isn't 0/0 workinnnnnng
May 09 20:58:49 <pragma-> (pro-tip, if oyu don't use eclipse (like me), you can still install MAT stand-alone)
May 09 20:59:10 <pragma-> sorry about that unintentional paren goatse there
May 09 21:00:10 <gilead> s/when/more than/
May 09 21:00:11 <SimonVT> Larger screen, larger bitmaps
May 09 21:00:11 <SimonVT>  /drawables
May 09 21:00:11 <SimonVT> = more memory used
May 09 21:00:29 <readme> t0mless: paste your rotate xml
May 09 21:00:33 <gilead> SimonVT: as I said, it does not use Bitmaps and the images are res-independent and of exactly the same size as on 2.x
May 09 21:01:08 <t0mless> it's not in an animation tag
May 09 21:01:11 <ctate> gilead: like they said, look at the heap to see where all the memory is going
May 09 21:01:12 <readme> also I hope you changed the background color of the view you are rotating, so you can be sure it's not taking up space that you are unaware of or anything.
May 09 21:01:12 <t0mless> it's just in the textview tag
May 09 21:01:25 <readme> t0mless: well now I really want to see
May 09 21:02:31 <g00s> gilead: i think ctate said a bunch of nio stuff was changed in Gb, and then again in HC
May 09 21:02:39 <g00s> or maybe it was dh, can't remember
May 09 21:02:46 <ctate> nio?  when have i ever talked about nio?
May 09 21:02:48 <g00s> perhaps you have found a nio bug
May 09 21:03:00 <ctate> i barely know what nio *is*  :)
May 09 21:03:01 <g00s> ctate: it was a while ago :) i have good memory
May 09 21:03:08 <g00s> :D
May 09 21:03:18 <ctate> we did step from java5 to java6 around then, which is probably what changed
May 09 21:06:19 <nebkat> pragma-: yeah its a great tool :)
May 09 21:07:09 <hwrd|work> Does anyone here use Rdio?
May 09 21:07:31 <Chronax> I do.
May 09 21:07:36 <Chronax> Their app is built with C# / mono.
May 09 21:07:40 <Chronax> And it sucks. A lot.
May 09 21:08:00 <hwrd|work> Chronax: Why? Also, it's better than Spotify, but why do more people like Spotify?
May 09 21:08:20 <readme> afaik none of this stuff works on linux so bah
May 09 21:08:56 <readme> i use songza
May 09 21:09:47 <hwrd|work> Chronax: I think Rdio is a well built Android app. It uses action bar.
May 09 21:09:56 <hwrd|work> Also, it's slick as hell.
May 09 21:09:59 <Chronax> I agree that the design is great, it just crashes too often.
May 09 21:10:13 <Chronax> I've never gotten the synching to work on any of my Android devices.
May 09 21:10:19 <Chronax> And it crashes constantly.
May 09 21:10:19 <readme> I don't know of any good android apps for music services. Songza's is flaky too.
May 09 21:10:30 <Chronax> Android and audio don't mix well, unfortunately.
May 09 21:10:51 <readme> too bad the big part of this equation is the fulfillment of the music and arbitrating that
May 09 21:10:56 <readme> and not making a good android app
May 09 21:11:02 <readme> because if it was the latter i'd rise to the challenge.
May 09 21:11:17 <hwrd|work> Chronax: This is true. I thought Google tried to help with the DownloadManager class
May 09 21:11:23 <hwrd|work> which I think is very useful
May 09 21:11:29 <hwrd|work> It works quite well for me.
May 09 21:12:21 <readme> I wonder how much it costs to sign up for a music streaming/fulfillment service and build one of these apps.
May 09 21:12:25 <hwrd|work> Google music app seems to be legit -- although it has some probs.
May 09 21:12:30 <readme> is that what rdio does, or do they do their own fulfillment
May 09 21:13:23 <hwrd|work> I dunno.
May 09 21:13:35 <readme> the one that powers songza I believe is http://www.mndigital.com/
May 09 21:13:44 <hwrd|work> I do like their app, I just don't understand how Spotify gets more users with a retarded UI.
May 09 21:13:57 <readme> they don't have me, that's for sure :)
May 09 21:14:08 <hwrd|work> I think Rdio does streaming (they've partnered with labels)
May 09 21:14:29 <readme> man I'm signing up for some content fulfillment.
May 09 21:14:39 <readme> maybe I can make a buck if I produce a good app.
May 09 21:14:45 <t0mless> oh fucks sake
May 09 21:14:54 <readme> t0mless: did you fix it? loooool
May 09 21:15:00 <t0mless> readme it seems View has transformPivotX as the attribute
May 09 21:15:08 <t0mless> pivotX is only an attribute for animations
May 09 21:15:33 <readme> t0mless: interesting.. so what is your attribute doing.. actually changing the orientation of the view when still
May 09 21:15:52 <t0mless> it's not doing anything
May 09 21:15:59 <t0mless> only the rotation attribute is doing something
May 09 21:16:05 <t0mless> android ignores unknown attributes
May 09 21:16:12 <readme> why not use a rotate in xml like
May 09 21:16:15 <readme> <rotate>
May 09 21:16:23 <LongBeach> hey
May 09 21:16:25 <t0mless> because I don't want to apply the rotation in java
May 09 21:16:35 <LongBeach> has anyone been able to use Kries Air ?
May 09 21:17:01 <gilead> hrnt: pragma-: I'll keep debugging, I just spotted a GC message about a single 33.5 *MegaByte* allocation O_O    What the....
May 09 21:19:18 <t0mless> readme I'm not sure that transformPivotX is relative to the view itself
May 09 21:19:48 <ctate> gilead: !
May 09 21:20:12 <t0mless> oh balls
May 09 21:20:21 <t0mless> it's also api level 11
May 09 21:21:06 <t0mless> guess I will just do an animimation xml
May 09 21:21:11 <t0mless> and apply it in java
May 09 21:21:12 <vadi2> What's the best way to make sure an edittext is accepting one word only? There does not seem to be a flag I can pass it
May 09 21:21:59 <Wavesonics> vadi2, subclass it and add in the logic ur self
May 09 21:22:08 <vadi2> hm
May 09 21:22:36 <vadi2> looks like you can have an input filter:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3349121/how-do-i-use-inputfilter-to-limit-characters-in-an-edittext-in-android/4401227#4401227
May 09 21:22:58 <Wavesonics> oh that sounds better
May 09 21:24:04 <readme> t0mless: if you want, make a custom view to encapsulate it and commit it to my senseless project, nifty ;)
May 09 21:24:22 <readme> the project is basically a collection of nifty things. hence the name.
May 09 21:24:25 <pfn> I really hate package protected fields sometimes
May 09 21:25:52 <readme> i'm part of the accessor for everything club.
May 09 21:26:18 <readme> unless speed is really really important. i obviously don't put accessors in my viewholder, for example.
May 09 21:26:26 <pfn> I wonder if this is because of robolectric
May 09 21:26:40 <pfn> certainly seems like it
May 09 21:26:51 <pfn> trying to registerListener on Loader, but it never calls my listener
May 09 21:41:44 <pfn> man, I seriously want to throw a hissy fit because I can't test my loader, because robolectric does something weird that prevents registerListener/unregisterListener from setting Loader's mListener
May 09 21:43:54 <evancharlton> testing is for users^W suckers
May 09 21:45:07 <g00s> 9.9
May 09 21:45:39 <readme> testing is what i make my girlfriend do
May 09 21:45:55 <readme> of course, i use unit tests first ;)
May 09 21:46:01 <pfn> I mean, seriously, even trying to make the loader throw an exception is impossible
May 09 21:46:26 <readme> you think it's being caught and ignored?
May 09 21:46:34 <pfn> basically doing loader.registerListener(1, new loadlistenre()); loader.registerListener(2, new loadlistener()); loader.unregisterListener(new loadlistener());
May 09 21:46:44 <pfn> the 2nd registerListener and the unregisterListener must both throw exceptions
May 09 21:47:17 <readme> sooo, maybe switch to regular android test project and use an InstrumentationTestCase before you have a heart attack
May 09 21:47:37 <readme> file a bug in roboelectric and wait to see if they do anything about it/care
May 09 21:48:11 <pfn> I'm not interested in using instrumentation
May 09 21:49:49 <pfn> mostly because I need to run the testsuite on-device, and I'm not developing against a device for speed
May 09 21:50:05 <pfn> and yeah, I need to make a reproable case that I can file with pivotal
May 09 21:57:04 <readme> pfn: i use InstrumentationTestCase to run my tests on the device, afaik.
May 09 21:57:11 <readme> am I not running on the device?
May 09 21:57:33 <readme> I'm pretty sure I am, because if I unplug it doesn't work.
May 09 21:58:52 <readme> I thought robolectric was specifically for running off-device.
May 09 21:59:00 <readme> in a regular jvm
May 09 22:07:47 <g00s> mobile payment stuff http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/9/3009802/mobile-payment-war-consumers
May 09 22:07:47 <pfn> readme, that's what I said
May 09 22:07:55 <pfn> I am not testing against device, so instrumentation is not what I want
May 09 22:08:14 <readme> ah
May 09 22:08:15 <pfn> s/I need/it needs/
May 09 22:08:18 <pfn> sorry, unclear
May 09 22:08:19 <readme> what did you mean by "on-device"
May 09 22:08:28 <readme> supposed to be off-device?
May 09 22:08:46 <pfn> apply substitution to above
May 09 22:08:50 <RustyShackleford> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/view/ViewPager.html why is the TabsAdapter class static?
May 09 22:08:59 <pfn> instrumentation needs to run on device, which I don't want
May 09 22:09:08 <readme> affirmative
May 09 22:09:31 <readme> RustyShackleford: probably so it can be accessed without instantiating a ViewPager.
May 09 22:09:41 <readme> i.e. new Foo.InnerStaticClass()
May 09 22:09:50 <readme> but I haven't looked yet.
May 09 22:09:55 <readme> got a freaking error 404
May 09 22:09:57 <readme> your link is bunk
May 09 22:10:08 <pragma-> grr
May 09 22:10:11 <readme> never mind, I missed the l at the end.
May 09 22:10:12 <RustyShackleford> ah that makes sense. So the constructor of an Activity is never called?
May 09 22:10:25 <readme> oh, never mind
May 09 22:10:27 <pragma-> A Windows update just deleted all my user profiles or something.
May 09 22:10:35 <readme> RustyShackleford: can you show me the static TabsAdapter?
May 09 22:10:45 <pragma-> It was probably offended because I refused to install the Bing Desktop update.
May 09 22:10:52 <readme> RustyShackleford: the activity is *definitely* instantiated.
May 09 22:11:12 * pragma- had to go back to a restore point.
May 09 22:12:20 <readme> RustyShackleford: here, this is a good explanation
May 09 22:12:22 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/253492/static-nested-class-in-java-why
May 09 22:12:34 <RustyShackleford> readme, my link is working for me
May 09 22:12:41 <readme> ok
May 09 22:12:44 <readme> check out that stackoverflow post.
May 09 22:19:34 <t0mless> pragma- heh, I also refuse that update
May 09 22:19:42 <t0mless> though I think win update fubar'd my server
May 09 22:20:00 <t0mless> but that was for Win server 2k8, so there was no bing desktop
May 09 22:23:49 <pragma-> on the other hand, it was an interesting experience to see how Windows behaves when there's no profiles or themes.
May 09 22:23:54 <pragma-> Windows 7, even.
May 09 22:24:11 <pragma-> Looked almost like Windows 3.1 rather than Windows 95
May 09 22:24:34 <pragma-> Which was a surprise.
May 09 22:25:13 <pragma-> probably because not even the Windows 95 theme was available
May 09 22:25:42 <pragma-> still an interesting insight to how little some parts of the system has changed over the decades
May 09 22:25:56 <pfn> https://github.com/pivotal/robolectric/issues/255
May 09 22:25:59 <pfn> ok, I hope someone fixes it
May 09 22:29:15 <g00s> i still don't understand why anyone would use a tool like roboelectric
May 09 22:29:29 <g00s> since its 'using the JVM on your workstation'
May 09 22:29:44 <g00s> i've seen too many differences, i wouldn't trust the results
May 09 22:30:22 <pfn> seen too many differences?
May 09 22:30:24 <g00s> maybe i'm confused though. which class libraries is it using ?
May 09 22:30:25 <pfn> like what precisely?
May 09 22:30:44 <g00s> is it using harmony somehow, or is it using the class libraries bundled with the jvm on the desktop ?
May 09 22:30:55 <pfn> it's using the jre, of course
May 09 22:31:07 <pfn> but per-spec, it should be identical in behavior
May 09 22:31:11 <g00s> lol
May 09 22:31:28 <shad0w1e> Hello: My webapp is not working properly in the Android 4.0 webview, it works great on older versions. I was wondering if there's a way to force the webview into some kind of compatibility mode? Thanks
May 09 22:31:42 <pfn> and why anyone would want to use a tool like robolectric?
May 09 22:31:47 <pfn> so you don't have to build -> deploy -> test
May 09 22:32:11 <g00s> but not testing against harmony sinks the whole concept
May 09 22:32:12 <pfn> seriously, saving like 66% of the time in the dev iteration cycle isn't worthwhile to you?
May 09 22:32:18 <pfn> don't need to test against harmony
May 09 22:32:24 <g00s> getting accurate test results is more important to me
May 09 22:32:26 <pfn> if harmony does not behave the same as the jvm, it's generally a bug
May 09 22:32:33 <pfn> as ctate mentioned before
May 09 22:32:54 <pfn> so yeah, you're just fearing something on the basis of being afraid
May 09 22:33:10 <pfn> have you encountered anything concrete that is different?
May 09 22:33:27 <pfn> as for using harmony vs. the jre, you could force the jvm to boot against harmony if you really wanted
May 09 22:34:00 <g00s> if it was forced against the google patched version of harmony used in android, that would be more useful
May 09 22:34:01 <pfn> (assuming you had a harmony runtime built)
May 09 22:34:12 <pfn> do that yourself if you want, not very difficult
May 09 22:34:50 <g00s> and since different bugs exist in different versions of harmony, which are shipped with different versions of android, you still have to unit test against a few targets anyhow
May 09 22:34:52 <t0mless> huh
May 09 22:34:57 <t0mless> github is being weird
May 09 22:34:58 <g00s> so, i'm unconvinced. sorry
May 09 22:35:10 <pfn> that's fine
May 09 22:35:13 <pfn> you're just weird
May 09 22:35:17 <pfn> you won't even use libraries in general
May 09 22:35:17 <pfn> :p
May 09 22:35:19 <pfn> e.g. abs
May 09 22:35:27 <t0mless> that spot that normally has the git:// link for read only access is totally blank
May 09 22:35:49 <g00s> pfn: i might still use abs :P
May 09 22:36:24 <t0mless> it is also loading very slow for me
May 09 22:36:51 <g00s> pfn: and alos, you can head over to the harmony defect tracker to easily see there are plenty of issues
May 09 22:36:55 <g00s> *also
May 09 22:37:17 <g00s> luckily, google is only using a little piece of harmony
May 09 22:37:52 <g00s> so, about being concrete, i could not get NIO to work consistently between froyo, gb, and ics
May 09 22:38:06 <g00s> sepcifically, buffers allocated directly
May 09 22:38:16 <pfn> what about them failed
May 09 22:38:22 <pfn> and buffer allocation is a different matter
May 09 22:38:24 <pfn> that's not unit testing
May 09 22:38:38 <g00s> well if it impacts the behavior, it is :)
May 09 22:38:45 <g00s> i would have to find the message on android-dev about that
May 09 22:38:50 <g00s> dont have the time right now
May 09 22:38:55 <g00s> carry on ;)
May 09 22:39:00 <pfn> buffer allocation failures are not something that would be addressed by unit testing
May 09 22:39:54 <g00s> pfn: do you understand that if the buffer fails to allocate, it will not work ?
May 09 22:39:55 <pfn> other than testing for handling of error conditions possibly
May 09 22:40:11 <g00s> i don't see why this is so difficult :)
May 09 22:41:00 <g00s> and if keeping the behavior of harmony in lock step with the official jvm was so easy, why would there have been so much effort on apache's part to get a hold of the sun/oracle test suite ?
May 09 22:41:01 <pfn> yeah, but that's not a testing issue
May 09 22:41:08 <pfn> you should write your code to be aware of buffer allocation failures
May 09 22:42:09 <pfn> allocateDirect failed?  allocate on heap then
May 09 22:47:15 <t0mless> SimonVT you use nine old androids, yea?
May 09 22:52:55 <g00s> pfn: and then you have the situation where google says harmony is right, and the official jre is wrong :) http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/2090585d4240e8cb/d0a30e1d9c3cea9e?lnk=gst&q=nio#d0a30e1d9c3cea9e
May 09 22:53:27 <g00s> anyhow, stuff like this http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/8b039f3872ddf22c/7d094364befab08b?lnk=gst&q=nio#7d094364befab08b
May 09 22:53:41 <g00s> lots of groups entries , actually difficult to find in the defect tracker
May 09 22:54:32 <pfn> that kind of thing isn't really a big deal in unit testing
May 09 22:54:44 <pfn> easily checked and fixed
May 09 22:55:08 <pfn> unit testing doesn't fix assumptions
May 09 22:55:47 <g00s> but its like saying 'my muffler and other various accessories keep falling off my car, but it still moves forward" … doesn't instill much confidence
May 09 22:55:57 <pfn> bad analogy
May 09 22:56:03 <g00s> hold on , crazy storm… have to get my camera
May 09 22:56:04 <pfn> simple analogy
May 09 22:56:22 <pfn> 5.0 liter from a mustang, bench tests fine, installed into a miata
May 09 22:56:24 <pfn> needs some tweaking
May 09 22:56:44 <pfn> once you install it and put it back on the bench
May 09 22:56:58 <pfn> you can continue the testing and be reasonably sure it'll still work fine once you plug it back into the miata
May 09 22:57:19 <pfn> and that's all robolectric is
May 09 22:57:22 <pfn> it's a bench test
May 09 22:57:50 <pfn> it's certainly no replacement for full on-device testing, but once you have a reasonable measure of certainty that it works on device, you can be pretty confident in your tests
May 09 22:59:14 <pfn> the fact that it saves me 66% or more time of having to deploy and test on device is a large motivator
May 09 23:02:28 <linuxgecko> is there a way to connect to an openvpn w/o rooting yoru device?
May 09 23:03:04 <pfn> no idea, google for the answer
May 09 23:05:21 * pfn goes back to reading up on data structures and algos
May 09 23:07:56 <kyrion12> Hi all!
May 09 23:17:06 <Shaba1> Hello
May 09 23:17:21 <Shaba1> do I really need anything other then the most recent version of the api
May 09 23:17:27 <pfn> no
May 09 23:17:53 <kyrion12> no, but if you want to hit a majority of the audiance i would get gingerbread too
May 09 23:18:01 <Shaba1> ok then I am going to stop this download of SDK API14
May 09 23:18:07 <Shaba1> becasue its taking like 2 hours
May 09 23:18:40 <Shaba1> I already have SKD API15
May 09 23:18:54 <Shaba1> and do not want to take 2 hours downloading something I do not need.
May 09 23:19:06 <Shaba1> Btw I am setting up eclipse for android developement
May 09 23:19:25 <Shaba1> I guess I should have started with that
May 09 23:19:26 <kyrion12> I would suggest getting api 10 and on
May 09 23:19:35 <Shaba1> and on?
May 09 23:19:47 <kyrion12> 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ,15
May 09 23:19:49 <pfn> you only need api15 for developing, but you might want to get system images for prior versions for testing on emulator
May 09 23:19:59 <pfn> depending on what version you want to support
May 09 23:20:07 <Shaba1> hmm ok
May 09 23:20:11 <kyrion12> what pfn says is true
May 09 23:20:16 <Shaba1> let me explain what exactly I am doing
May 09 23:20:22 <Shaba1> I have installed eclipse
May 09 23:20:32 <Shaba1> I have added the aptana plugin
May 09 23:20:42 <Shaba1> I know I do not need that for android dev
May 09 23:20:46 <Shaba1> just someting I wanted to have
May 09 23:20:55 <Shaba1> and the C/C++ plugin
May 09 23:20:59 <Shaba1> and pydev
May 09 23:21:14 <Shaba1> once again I know I do not need those for android developement
May 09 23:21:42 <Shaba1> I am just trying to get and all in one development environment rather then working with 3 to 4 differen ides
May 09 23:21:50 <Shaba1> So now I am on to the android part
May 09 23:21:58 <tnzr> is there anything akin to a javax.sound.sampled.SourceDataLine type object in the Android audio system?
May 09 23:22:14 <Shaba1> I have installed the windows installer.exe of the android sdk
May 09 23:23:08 <tnzr> or something you can feed samples to
May 09 23:23:16 <Shaba1> I have used that to install the sdktools and sdk platform tools
May 09 23:23:31 <t0mless> ( tnzr ): http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/package-summary.html start looking :)
May 09 23:23:43 <tnzr> already there t0mless :(
May 09 23:23:59 <tnzr> seems audio was left out in the cold on android
May 09 23:24:20 <Shaba1> I am not going to install "Android 4.0.3 (API 15)"
May 09 23:24:39 <t0mless> Shaba1 what exactly is your problem?
May 09 23:24:42 <Shaba1> then go to eclipse and install the ADT
May 09 23:24:57 <Shaba1> well I am trying to do this in the quickest manner possible
May 09 23:25:07 <Shaba1> I was wondering if I needed the older apis right now.
May 09 23:25:11 <t0mless> no
May 09 23:25:12 <kyrion12> no
May 09 23:25:19 <Shaba1> thanks you guys
May 09 23:25:27 <Shaba1> I know that was a stupid newbie question
May 09 23:25:34 <t0mless> Drawn out newbie question
May 09 23:25:44 <t0mless> that was alerady answered for you
May 09 23:25:46 <Shaba1> but then again I am a clueless newbie
May 09 23:25:52 <Shaba1> I try to be exact t0mless
May 09 23:25:57 <Shaba1> I will be back.
May 09 23:26:05 <tnzr> schwarzanegger'd
May 09 23:26:32 <Shaba1> :)
May 09 23:26:42 <Shaba1> hey do not talk bad about my govenator
May 09 23:26:43 <Shaba1> :)
May 09 23:26:47 <Shaba1> I voted for him
May 09 23:26:48 <Shaba1> :D
May 09 23:26:53 <t0mless> He's not the governator anymore
May 09 23:26:55 <t0mless> and I hate you
May 09 23:27:21 <tnzr> i love how android.media has a "FaceDetector" but not a simple ability to make creative audio apps
May 09 23:27:46 <t0mless> there are some pretty creative ones out there
May 09 23:27:52 <t0mless> or do you mean Creative (tm) ?
May 09 23:28:15 <tnzr> t0mless: yeah but do any of them not use pre-canned files in their application?
May 09 23:28:27 <t0mless> Not sure
May 09 23:28:30 <pragma-> so many ping timeouts today
May 09 23:28:31 <t0mless> as I haven't used a lot of them
May 09 23:28:49 <t0mless> in here pragma-?
May 09 23:28:49 <tnzr> is it even possible to create a simple oscillator in android?
May 09 23:29:00 <pragma-> t0mless: in every channel, yes
May 09 23:29:19 <t0mless> hrm
May 09 23:29:31 <tnzr> I guess I could go try this horrible hack to get javax.sound into my own package
May 09 23:29:33 <t0mless> my internets have been acting slow today as well
May 09 23:30:04 <t0mless> but I have joins/parts/quits blocked so I don't see the ping timeouts :p
May 09 23:30:38 <pragma-> tnzr: i've seen plenty of audio mixer apps that let you record your own sounds to mix
May 09 23:31:22 <pragma-> http://uloops.net/ was one of them, I think
May 09 23:31:44 <tnzr> pragma: I'm actually trying to port an oscillator that generates tones in real time
May 09 23:32:19 <pragma-> android has a sound library that generates tones...
May 09 23:32:59 <tnzr> are you talking about the DTMF tones?
May 09 23:33:30 <tnzr> I assume you mean this?  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/ToneGenerator.html
May 09 23:34:09 <tnzr> not quite the same thing
May 09 23:34:30 <nplus> Is it possible to throw a Remote Exception from a remote service stub method and have the client receive it?
May 09 23:34:35 <pragma-> tnzr: http://mobilepearls.com/labs/native-android-api/opensles/index.html
May 09 23:35:13 <pragma-> part of 2.3 and greater, iirc
May 09 23:35:35 <leslie> tnzr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2413426/playing-an-arbitrary-tone-with-android perhaps?
May 09 23:36:48 <ctate> nplus: you should never throw RemoteException yourself
May 09 23:37:03 <ctate> various other kinds of exceptions get propagated across binder calls, though
May 09 23:37:28 <ctate> [basically, anything that is a RuntimeException, and some of them retain their specific type]
May 09 23:37:58 <tnzr> leslie: ahh so you write to an audio track and then play the track eh
May 09 23:38:15 <nplus> ctate: Ok thanks, that's what I thought. I'm still trying to figure out a good way to let the client know of an exception/error in a service call
May 09 23:38:44 <ctate> throw the appropriate kind of "real" exception
May 09 23:39:26 <ctate> the ones that get propagated as their own type on the receiver side are
May 09 23:39:54 <david028> Anyone know how to set context with SQLiteOpenHelper from a thread/Runnable?
May 09 23:40:00 <ctate> SecurityException, BadParcelableException, IllegalArgumentException, NullPointerException, and IllegalStateException
May 09 23:40:08 <david028> But I use a thread to fetch info with a progress dialog and want to update the database with it after.
May 09 23:40:18 <ctate> then RuntimeExceptions get propagated as themselves
May 09 23:40:33 <ctate> all other exceptions get turned into a RuntimeException wrapping the original's message
May 09 23:41:43 <nplus> ctate: Thanks, I'm going to try that out
May 09 23:42:18 <sirellyn> hmm
May 09 23:42:25 <sirellyn> Are there any secrets to getting the android 4.0 virtual machine to run faster?
May 09 23:43:49 <t0mless> Nope
May 09 23:44:00 <t0mless> they have GPU accelleration now
May 09 23:44:11 <t0mless> so that can probably help
May 09 23:44:27 <Jug6ernaut> the silver bullet
May 09 23:44:30 <t0mless> but probably not a lot unless you're doing a lot of graphics stuff
May 09 23:45:21 <sirellyn> I'm just trying to test iterations and I thought my laptop was decent speed
May 09 23:45:32 <sirellyn> until I had to run the emulator. :-/
May 09 23:45:46 <ctate> heh.  yes, emulation is computationally expensive.
May 09 23:45:58 <nplus> ctate: Do you know if the way Exceptions are handled changed since 2.2? When I try throwing an exception within a Stub I get "05-09 16:44:00.213: E/JavaBinder(1525): *** Uncaught remote exception!  (Exceptions are not yet supported across processes.)"
May 09 23:46:03 <Jug6ernaut> sirellyn idk if there is a pc that can run the emulator
May 09 23:46:06 <Jug6ernaut> like we want it to
May 09 23:46:07 <t0mless> you can do 2.3 x86 image
May 09 23:46:14 <Jug6ernaut> ^^
May 09 23:46:19 <sirellyn> I feel better testing it on the emulator than the actual android.
May 09 23:46:21 <t0mless> but there isn't a 4.0 image out yet
May 09 23:46:26 <ctate> nplus: is that across your own IDL-defined interface?
May 09 23:46:27 <Jug6ernaut> :|
May 09 23:46:32 * Jug6ernaut only tests on device
May 09 23:46:37 <Jug6ernaut> until release testing
May 09 23:46:53 <ctate> and also that "Exceptions are not yet supported across processes" line is largely archaic at this point
May 09 23:46:56 <Jug6ernaut> then pretty much for screen res compatabilities...
May 09 23:48:35 <nplus> ctate: Using AIDL & a Remote Service, I'm building against API 7 right now. I think I can try building against API 8, but no higher as the hardware I have is running 2.2
May 09 23:49:00 <ctate> okay, i just dug into it a bit
May 09 23:49:19 <ctate> you get cross-process propagation only of RuntimeException and its descendants, RemoteException, and OutOfMemoryException
May 09 23:49:27 <ctate> any other exception and you'll hit the above message
May 09 23:50:43 <nplus> ctate: I tried "throw new RuntimeException();" and that was the message I got in LogCat. The client doesn't catch any exception from the service call
May 09 23:51:24 <ctate> and the method you throw it from is one defined in your AIDL?
May 09 23:53:43 <ctate> i mean, i throw exceptions through binder calls routinely
May 09 23:53:50 <ctate> so i'm trying to narrow down what you're doing :)
May 09 23:54:17 <nplus> Yes, my AIDL has a method "double getTarget(int id);" within this method, I've tried throwing a RemoteException and RuntimeException. Both times, the client doesn't catch an exception, I get the message, "*** Uncaught remote exception!  (Exceptions are not yet supported across processes.)" and the return value is 0.0
May 09 23:56:24 <ctate> that is curious
May 09 23:56:37 <arleslie> Hey guys, I'm working with status bar notifications and I can't seem to get the vibrate to work. I have it set to use default vibrate adn the phone is set to vibrate on everything, yet it still doesn't vibrate... any ideas why?
May 09 23:57:21 <nplus> ctate: I'll try compile with API 8 instead :/
May 09 23:57:29 <t0mless> do you ahve the permission on your manifest arleslie?
May 09 23:57:32 <ctate> nplus: what API are you building against?
May 09 23:57:35 <t0mless> in*
May 09 23:57:42 <nplus> API 7 right now
May 09 23:57:42 <ctate> also, can you pastebin your idl and the server + client side code?
May 09 23:57:45 <ctate> this is bugging me
May 09 23:57:48 <ctate> api 7 shouldn't matter
May 09 23:57:52 <ctate> this is like 1.0 stuff
May 09 23:57:53 <nplus> sure give me a second
May 09 23:58:08 <arleslie> t0mless, I do have the vibrate permssion, if I use the vibrate service, I can get the phone to vibrate, just not by the notification service
May 09 23:58:30 <pfn> arleslie, request vibrate flags in your notification
May 09 23:59:17 <arleslie> pfn, I do not see a flag for that
May 10 00:00:03 <ctate> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Notification.html#DEFAULT_VIBRATE ?
May 10 00:00:40 <arleslie> ctate, that's for notify.defaults, I already have it set.
May 10 00:00:42 <ctate> (which is typically part of DEFAULT_ALL)
May 10 00:01:41 <t0mless> arleslie there is a setFlags() method
May 10 00:01:45 <t0mless> I think
May 10 00:01:48 <t0mless> it's setFlags()
May 10 00:02:33 <arleslie> t0mless, there is .flags = ... but there is no Notification.FLAG_VIBRATE;
May 10 00:02:35 <ctate> Notification.Builder.setDefaults()
May 10 00:02:46 <ctate> etec
May 10 00:02:48 <ctate> *etc
May 10 00:02:59 <t0mless> ah right
May 10 00:03:06 <t0mless> haven't used much notifications since they made the builder
May 10 00:03:49 <arleslie> this is my current code, https://gist.github.com/2649921
May 10 00:03:59 <vadi2> google merchant seems so archaic. I can't even change what timezone it's showing the times in, nevermind take the money out when I want to.
May 10 00:05:33 <is_left> i'm having trouble getting my code to run.. when i right click the project- "run as android app" .. i get console output that says my .apk file was installed on the device, and i can verify it was, however the application doesn't show up in the applications menu.
May 10 00:06:04 <is_left> i made sure to have the intent-filter with android.intent.action.MAIN and android.intent.category.LAUNCHER set up, but that doesn't seem to resolve it...
May 10 00:06:50 <is_left> are there any other gotchas?
May 10 00:06:57 <nplus> ctate: http://pastebin.com/S8hALrYS
May 10 00:08:00 <nplus> I pruned the code a bit to make it easier to read
May 10 00:08:17 <ctate> nplus:  you're catching RemoteException but throwing a RuntimeException
May 10 00:08:20 <ctate> no wonder it isn't catching it :)
May 10 00:08:32 <nplus> ctate: I've tried both
May 10 00:08:47 <ctate> you need to catch what you're throwing, at the very least
May 10 00:08:55 <Razur> Hi, new to Android-dev. I am using PreferenceActivity and PreferenceFragment to create Settings/Preferences and I wanted to create About section in Preferences. AboutFragment extends PreferenceFragment, how can I set custom layout view rather than preference from resource?
May 10 00:09:11 <ctate> you could also put in a clause for catch (Exception ex) and log it to see what exactly is coming back
May 10 00:09:47 <ctate> also can you pastebin the stack trace that was logged along with the message about uncaught exceptions?
May 10 00:12:20 <nplus> ctate: Stacktrace: http://pastebin.com/b1XvcMcr this was after I changed it to catch (Exception e) {..}  <-- doesn't catch anything
May 10 00:12:48 <pfn> nplus, more context
May 10 00:13:20 <ctate> that's the whole stacktrace?
May 10 00:13:44 <ctate> what version of the OS are you testing this on?
May 10 00:13:56 <nplus> ctate: That's the only stacktrace I get after throwing the RuntimeException
May 10 00:14:09 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there any way to change the alpha of a button? I know you can do button.setVisibility(Button.INVISIBLE); but is there a way to set the alpha not the visibility?
May 10 00:14:46 <nplus> ctate: Android 2.2.1
May 10 00:14:53 <ctate> w t f
May 10 00:15:14 <nplus> I can try a different device?
May 10 00:15:25 <ctate> i dunno; i'm very confused that this is happening
May 10 00:17:14 <nplus> I'm confused too
May 10 00:17:22 <ctate> i mean, i'm looking at the froyo (2.2) source code right now and when it calls the transact, it catches both RemoteException and RuntimeException and propagagtes them.
May 10 00:17:48 <ctate> oh!
May 10 00:17:53 <ctate> is the service running in the same process?
May 10 00:18:18 <ctate> i woudln't think so given the error message but now i'm wondering
May 10 00:18:41 <nplus> They're separate packages
May 10 00:18:50 <ctate> okay then no, they're separate processes.  good.
May 10 00:18:55 <Shaba1> guys what is the ARM EABI V7a system image and do I need it to program simple android programs
May 10 00:19:14 <t0mless> that's the standard emulator image
May 10 00:19:21 <t0mless> you don't need to to program apps
May 10 00:19:29 <t0mless> you might need it to test apps on the emulator
May 10 00:19:44 <Shaba1> arg
May 10 00:19:46 <Shaba1> damn
May 10 00:19:47 <Shaba1> Ok
May 10 00:20:09 <Shaba1> its going to take 4 hours to download it
May 10 00:21:00 <t0mless> get better interwebs
May 10 00:21:24 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is anyone good with image glitches?
May 10 00:21:43 <nplus> ctate: I don't know if it makes a difference, but the AIDL file is in a common code project of mine that is set to "Is Library" and both the service and the client projects reference the library.
May 10 00:21:56 <ctate> i wouldn't think that matters
May 10 00:22:42 <t0mless> oh wait... Shaba1 you might not need the ARM image.. I think if you just have the SDK you can make an AVD for that API level
May 10 00:23:07 <pfn> should need the system image still
May 10 00:23:15 <pfn> just download the system image later
May 10 00:23:34 <pfn> you can start developing now and by the time you're ready to deploy to test, your system image download will be done
May 10 00:23:40 <t0mless> or just let it download while you work
May 10 00:23:47 <pfn> essentially what I mean
May 10 00:23:50 <t0mless> right
May 10 00:24:05 <t0mless> I guess they changed how the image is packaged after api14
May 10 00:24:23 <nplus> ctate: This is part of the generated code from my AIDL
May 10 00:24:29 <nplus> http://pastebin.com/wPV22FaK
May 10 00:27:10 <Shaba1> I will do it tonight
May 10 00:27:39 <Shaba1> just click the checkbox in the android SDK manager and let it run
May 10 00:28:00 <Shaba1> right now I am at an internet cafe and do not have that type of time
May 10 00:46:18 <ctate> nplus: the generated code there runs on the *caller* side; the exception is blowing up on the callee [server] side
May 10 00:47:24 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Has anyone here ever experienced very weird image glitches? Like activity 1 has a image, and in activity 1 you start activity 2. And activity 2 has NOTHING to do with that image, but some how some way the image shows up in activty 2
May 10 00:48:07 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I had this problem previously, but in the onPause of activity 1 I just changed the alpha of the image to 0, and in activty 2 it didn't show up any more.
May 10 00:48:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> But I'm having the problem with a button now, and setting the alpha doesn't work.
May 10 00:48:23 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It still shows up some how
May 10 00:48:59 <ctate> on what device?
May 10 00:49:17 <ctate> i ask because frankly that sort of thing sounds like graphics driver / compositing level bugs
May 10 00:49:36 <ctate> unless you're making activity 2 translucent
May 10 00:49:42 <ctate> in which case tsk tsk
May 10 00:49:43 <nplus> ctate: Right, I'm trying to track down where the exception is caught and is being dumped to the error log
May 10 00:49:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I just tought of that as well, I'm going to test on my droid 1
May 10 00:49:48 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It's happening on my droid 2
May 10 00:50:06 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well it's a dialog themed activity, but it isn't directly translucent.
May 10 00:50:11 <Jug6ernaut> im posting a runnable from a broadcast receiver, is there a limit to how long i can delay the post? "postDelayed"
May 10 00:50:15 <ctate> nplus: the "you can't throw exceptions across processes" message is logged from native code deep in the binder infrastructure on the callee side
May 10 00:50:16 <T-Dub|DlolPics> The image is showing up on top of my already current images.
May 10 00:50:44 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: no limit
May 10 00:51:21 <Jug6ernaut> ctate because when i run the runnable instantly it runs if i delay it just...disappears lol
May 10 00:51:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It doesn't show up on my d1, but it does on my dx2.
May 10 00:51:41 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Weird
May 10 00:51:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Anyone here have a dx2?
May 10 00:51:52 <Jug6ernaut> i have only tried 3mins, 1, 30seconds, will try less...
May 10 00:52:23 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: is this broadcast an alarm?
May 10 00:52:31 <Jug6ernaut> yes
May 10 00:52:39 <ctate> is the device asleep when it's posted?
May 10 00:52:40 <nplus> ctate: Ah ok, so then as far as you know it doesn't look possible to throw an exception on the server and catch it on the client?
May 10 00:52:53 <ctate> because as soon as you return from onReceive() the OS will let the device go back to sleep
May 10 00:53:02 <Jug6ernaut> ctate no, shouldnt be at least, its an on boot receiver
May 10 00:53:04 <ctate> so maybe it won't be delivered until after it's awakened, however much later
May 10 00:53:08 <ctate> oh, that's not an alarm
May 10 00:53:10 <ctate> interesting
May 10 00:53:26 <t0mless> if I apply a rotation of 90 degrees on a view with an ObjectAnimator, will getWidth() still return the measured width (now the height) or the actual width (that was the height)?
May 10 00:53:35 <ctate> err, what looper are you posting it to, anyway?  i mean, the process can be killed outright after hte receiver returns
May 10 00:53:43 <ctate> because tehre's no live component there any more
May 10 00:53:59 <ctate> you're mucking outside the defined lifetimes
May 10 00:54:11 <Jug6ernaut> im doing nothing specific so i assume the Main looper
May 10 00:54:13 <ctate> if you want something to run post-receiver, start a service.
May 10 00:54:20 <ctate> otherwise all bets are off
May 10 00:54:25 <Jug6ernaut> lol ic
May 10 00:56:29 * Jug6ernaut wanted to do this without working in a service
May 10 00:56:37 <Jug6ernaut> but i guess i can start it up and shut it down as neede
May 10 00:56:38 <Jug6ernaut> d
May 10 00:59:02 <t0mless> IntentService
May 10 00:59:05 <t0mless> will do all that for you
May 10 01:01:04 <t0mless> though you may run into the issue of lifecycle again if you're posting runnable with a delay
May 10 01:04:26 <Shaba1> Ok I got the sdk and adt for eclipse installed
May 10 01:04:32 <Shaba1> thanks for the help guys
May 10 01:04:44 <Shaba1> I will download and install that other API tonight
May 10 01:04:56 <Shaba1> And I will definately be back for more help
May 10 01:06:20 <dimgl> best IDE to use for android coding?
May 10 01:07:29 <Shaba1> eclipse is what I use
May 10 01:07:48 <t0mless> You haven't used that for a single android thing
May 10 01:07:59 <dimgl> lol
May 10 01:08:23 <t0mless> It's an argument between Eclipse, IntelliJ, or just using vim/nano with commandline tools
May 10 01:08:29 <dimgl> developer noob here, about to dive into programming
May 10 01:08:34 <dimgl> i've used eclipse
May 10 01:08:36 <t0mless> you will find some of all flavors around
May 10 01:08:49 <t0mless> then go with eclipse :)
May 10 01:09:03 <t0mless> whatever IDE you're most comfortable in, you should use
May 10 01:09:09 <Shaba1> I am just getting back into android programming
May 10 01:09:21 <dimgl> Shaba1: same
May 10 01:09:26 <Shaba1> I started about 2 years ago but got diverted trying to find a job to pay rent
May 10 01:09:33 <Shaba1> So did not have a lot of time
May 10 01:09:40 <Shaba1> Back into it now that I am unemployed
May 10 01:09:42 <Shaba1> :)
May 10 01:10:05 <dimgl> Shaba1: story of my life, except i'm not unemployed, i'm just inspired
May 10 01:10:06 <dimgl> lol
May 10 01:10:44 <Shaba1> lol the story of my life is that I never seem to finish things
May 10 01:10:54 <dimgl> Shaba1: makes two of us
May 10 01:10:58 <Shaba1> I get interested and dabble then get diverted into other stuff
May 10 01:11:28 <Shaba1> or get discouraged and LET myself get diverted in to non essential things
May 10 01:13:06 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So I know requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE); is to take away the title, obviously, but I don't see one for full screen?   Anyone know how to make your application full screen?
May 10 01:13:29 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: right tool for the job, please.  you want to trigger something at some point in the future, outside normal component lifecycles?  that'd be the Alarm Manager.
May 10 01:14:07 <ctate> with, say, a service intent
May 10 01:14:39 <t0mless> IntentService to schedule an alarm would probably do the trick there, Jug6ernaut
May 10 01:14:59 <ctate> T-Dub|DlolPics: you mean like http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/WindowManager.LayoutParams.html#FLAG_FULLSCREEN ?
May 10 01:15:00 <ctate> :)
May 10 01:15:12 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yes, that. Took me a few to find it, thanks.
May 10 01:15:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> How do you find those?
May 10 01:15:31 <T-Dub|DlolPics> People post a lot from the docs, but how do you know were to find them.
May 10 01:15:41 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I usually google and sometimes find it, but they are usually stackoverflows
May 10 01:15:45 <ctate> searched for "hide status bar" on d.android.com
May 10 01:15:50 <ctate> using the search bar there
May 10 01:15:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Oh
May 10 01:15:58 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Didn't even think to search the docs directly.
May 10 01:16:01 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Smart :D!
May 10 01:16:06 <ctate> :)
May 10 01:16:09 <dimgl> ctate: that actually helps me a lot, ty
May 10 01:19:12 <KwikkSilva> hi all
May 10 01:19:16 <KwikkSilva> need an android rent boy
May 10 01:20:55 <bankai_> 500 AUD an hour here
May 10 01:27:39 <nplus> ctate: I just stepped out... so as far as you know it isn't possible to throw an exception from a service and catch it from the client?
May 10 01:30:51 <KwikkSilva> bankai_ : bargain
May 10 01:32:17 <KwikkSilva> anyone got an android 2.2 + phone handy for some testing - lost my device
May 10 01:32:25 <KwikkSilva> mobile web - not native
May 10 01:33:48 <ctate> nplus: okay i'm an idiot :)
May 10 01:33:52 <ctate> sometimes anyway
May 10 01:33:59 <ctate> RUntimeException is *not* one of the allowed exceptions, that's all
May 10 01:34:53 <ctate> nplus: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Parcel.html#writeException(java.lang.Exception)
May 10 01:35:09 <ctate> that documents which Exception types are actually throwable across a binder call
May 10 01:35:21 <ctate> nothing else is, including general RuntimeException
May 10 01:35:45 <ctate> typically IllegalStateException or IllegalArgumentException will be suitable
May 10 01:36:46 <Jug6ernaut> ctate right, t0mless yea your probably right
May 10 01:40:38 * Jug6ernaut thinks intent service it is
May 10 01:40:40 <g00s> 'An unnamed source familiar with Google's plans told Business Insider that the company is preparing a native Android app that will feature functionality similar to Apple's iOS-only Game Center" … what is game center
May 10 01:41:10 <dimgl> basically its an app that manages all games on your device
May 10 01:41:14 <drpenguin> Game Center is this thing on iOS for like.. games basically, yeah that
May 10 01:41:15 <dimgl> it gives you stats and a leaderboard
May 10 01:41:24 <readme> so basically feint
May 10 01:41:27 <drpenguin> doesnt it manage ting slike achievements and stuff?
May 10 01:41:27 <readme> pfft.
May 10 01:41:29 <dimgl> you can accrue points on a profile depending on what games you play
May 10 01:41:44 <dimgl> its basically openfeint, except of course, not as shitty
May 10 01:41:48 <dimgl> and not limited to only a few games
May 10 01:41:57 * g00s ywans
May 10 01:42:01 <g00s> *yawns
May 10 01:42:23 <dimgl> g00s: gotta feed the masses
May 10 01:42:56 <drpenguin> You know, if we didnt feed the iSheep, they would go away
May 10 01:42:58 <drpenguin> just saying
May 10 01:43:11 <dimgl> drpenguin: i'm not so sure..
May 10 01:43:21 <dimgl> drpenguin: hard to topple the blind apple fanbase
May 10 01:43:24 <g00s> drpenguin: but what about the gSheep ?
May 10 01:43:40 <g00s> or the microSheep ?
May 10 01:43:46 <drpenguin> g00s: To be honest, and im not saying this because I am an Android person, I have never seen gSheeps
May 10 01:44:13 <g00s> drpenguin: i'm just being a smartass, thats all
May 10 01:44:34 <g00s> i don't have any games on any of my devices
May 10 01:44:35 <drpenguin> g00s: Oh, I thought you were being serious, because there are Microsoft fanboys out there who are as zealous as iFanbois
May 10 01:45:04 <g00s> but i wonder if google is going to have to keep on copying apple, basically
May 10 01:45:21 <g00s> google and gaming … who would of thought
May 10 01:45:43 <readme> copying apple? where is it documented that apple was the first person to host game scores as a third party?
May 10 01:45:55 <dimgl> g00s: err... not sure how much theyre copying apple
May 10 01:45:57 <readme> and by person, I mean corporation, because this is america.
May 10 01:46:45 <readme> they should just buy feint :(
May 10 01:47:25 <readme> i'm starting to see the google alternatives to established things are not coming out as good
May 10 01:47:34 <readme> except for G+. that's pretty solid.
May 10 01:47:37 <dimgl> readme: like google play?
May 10 01:47:48 <readme> google play is just the android market with a new name
May 10 01:47:49 <dimgl> readme: i actually thought G+ is not advancing as fast as i hoped it would
May 10 01:47:58 <readme> and the market is one of the best things google has
May 10 01:48:27 <dimgl> readme: goddamn it oracle how f'ing slow are your servers
May 10 01:48:58 <readme> huh
May 10 01:49:07 <dimgl> downloading JDK from oracle
May 10 01:49:09 <KwikkSilva> anyone willing to test my app (mobile web on an adoird device)
May 10 01:49:11 <dimgl> 111 KBps
May 10 01:49:13 <KwikkSilva> android even
May 10 01:49:22 <dimgl> wow what's a adoird?
May 10 01:49:25 <drpenguin> KwikkSilva: sure, why not
May 10 01:49:35 <dimgl> lol
May 10 01:49:57 <t0mless> KwikkSilva is it up on google play?
May 10 01:50:37 <KwikkSilva> t0mless, not quite
May 10 01:51:17 <KwikkSilva> i have a domain - its an assignment as a module for my masters - but i am pretty sure there are scrolling problems on android
May 10 01:51:51 <pragma-> if oyu has a scrolling problem, then you are not a master
May 10 01:52:16 <readme> KwikkSilva: use the emulator
May 10 01:52:20 <drpenguin> KwikkSilva: wouldnt this scrolling problem be a bit more complex? like, it oculd be the browser, not android
May 10 01:53:27 <KwikkSilva> well - you are right
May 10 01:53:37 <KwikkSilva> it coule be - i dont understand why its just android though
May 10 01:53:54 <readme> because not every browser is the exact same
May 10 01:54:22 <readme> getting the emulator will take only a few minutes
May 10 01:54:28 <readme> starting it will be the boring part :)
May 10 01:54:44 <KwikkSilva> readme, it scrolls on emulator
May 10 01:54:47 <KwikkSilva> go figure
May 10 01:54:50 <readme> what is the site
May 10 01:54:56 <readme> i'll try it now
May 10 01:55:03 <KwikkSilva> http://trackmygearfor.me
May 10 01:55:17 <KwikkSilva> test account - trackmygear / masters
May 10 01:56:23 <t0mless> omg it looks like an iphone
May 10 01:56:36 <readme> logged in. waiting for it to load.
May 10 01:56:54 <drpenguin> There isnt anything to scroll >_>
May 10 01:57:31 <readme> what screen is the "scrolling" problem on
May 10 01:57:36 <KwikkSilva> t0mless, yeah - uses cheeauns new iOS look alike
May 10 01:57:43 <drpenguin> KwikkSilva: when you say scrolling.. do you mean transitions?
May 10 01:58:07 <KwikkSilva> sorry - no i mean - try and add an item - i believe you wont be able to scroll down to "save"
May 10 01:58:16 <drpenguin> oh yeah
May 10 01:58:25 <drpenguin> ish is broken
May 10 01:58:34 <KwikkSilva> :-(
May 10 01:58:46 <luxurymode> Keep getting a nullpointer when I try dismissing a dialogfragment: https://gist.github.com/2650440
May 10 01:59:05 <KwikkSilva> readme, the "add: screen
May 10 01:59:14 <drpenguin> It is even worse if you are rotated horizontal, more stuff is cut off
May 10 01:59:22 * t0mless dislikes android apps that are designed to look like the iphone
May 10 01:59:27 <KwikkSilva> drpenguin, uh oh -) more bugs
May 10 01:59:32 <readme> KwikkSilva: testing add now, take photo doesnt work
May 10 01:59:39 <readme> i think you need a native wrapper for that anyway
May 10 01:59:41 <drpenguin> It really isnt another bug though, its the same bug, just in a different way
May 10 01:59:42 <KwikkSilva> t0mless, agreed - its just an expreminet
May 10 02:00:14 <readme> KwikkSilva: how do I get a photo in this thing
May 10 02:00:17 <KwikkSilva> readme, i have an APK with phonegap for the camera bit - but again - no scrolling
May 10 02:00:26 <readme> it scrolls fine here
May 10 02:00:29 <readme> but I'm using android 4.0
May 10 02:00:36 <drpenguin> Im on 2.3.5
May 10 02:00:41 <KwikkSilva> oh oh oh oh oh oh
May 10 02:00:45 <drpenguin> Are you using Chrome Beta or the stock Browser?
May 10 02:00:49 <KwikkSilva> it scrolls!!!!!!!!
May 10 02:00:59 <KwikkSilva> i literally do not care
May 10 02:01:13 <KwikkSilva> if you have it scrolling on android - and you have anothe phone and you can take a video of that
May 10 02:01:17 <KwikkSilva> i will love you forever
May 10 02:01:36 <drpenguin> Your websites back stack is really bad too
May 10 02:01:47 <drpenguin> I could switch between logged out and logged in by just hitting my back button
May 10 02:01:50 <KwikkSilva> that literally gets me like extra marsk instantly - even if it scrolls on a verson of android thats not even out yet
May 10 02:02:02 <drpenguin> >_> 4.0 is out
May 10 02:02:12 <KwikkSilva> oh i know- but just illustratin ght epoint
May 10 02:02:21 <KwikkSilva> i just have to proive it scrlls on android
May 10 02:02:28 <KwikkSilva> got my spelling blows tonite
May 10 02:03:21 <drpenguin> If this is for your masters, shouldnt it just work though? saying it works, but on a version of android that is not on many devices doesnt sound significant
May 10 02:03:31 <pragma-> what android isn't out yet?
May 10 02:04:09 <pragma-> KwikkSilva: I have no idea what you think you're babbling about.  I suspect alcohol may be a factor.
May 10 02:05:31 <KwikkSilva> pragma-, drpenguin : Yeah - it should work across the board - on all devices - but i am just trying to tick a box in the requirements - this is just one module in a large masters
May 10 02:05:53 <KwikkSilva> if it was the whole masters - it would be pixel perfect with no bugs
May 10 02:05:54 <drpenguin> Imo, I wouldnt consider this requirement completed
May 10 02:06:02 <drpenguin> But thats just me
May 10 02:06:09 <KwikkSilva> drpenguin, you are right
May 10 02:06:37 <KwikkSilva> but i'll take what i can get at this stage...
May 10 02:06:56 <KwikkSilva> If i could fix it i would
May 10 02:07:12 <drpenguin> well, you dont fix it until you find the problem :P then you fix
May 10 02:07:24 <KwikkSilva> hehe
May 10 02:07:42 <KwikkSilva> thx for trying ti out though guys
May 10 02:07:45 <KwikkSilva> helps a lot
May 10 02:08:37 <KwikkSilva> you shall be rewarded in android heaven
May 10 02:09:44 <KwikkSilva> haha
May 10 02:09:49 <KwikkSilva> who added the Pickle 2000
May 10 02:10:18 <KwikkSilva> quality piece of gear
May 10 02:10:52 <fBirD> hi,anyone knows a good example to how to create a soap php webservice , and one android app to connect to him?
May 10 02:12:26 <readme> do not use soap
May 10 02:12:29 <readme> if you have a choice.
May 10 02:12:44 <KwikkSilva> +1 readme
May 10 02:13:33 <fBirD> and nusoap?
May 10 02:13:49 <fBirD> same?
May 10 02:13:53 <KwikkSilva> yes
May 10 02:13:57 <t0mless> sounds like that's based on soap
May 10 02:14:02 <KwikkSilva> haha
May 10 02:14:06 <fBirD> ^^
May 10 02:14:07 <t0mless> RESTful service is better, JSON
May 10 02:14:13 <KwikkSilva> +1 t0mless
May 10 02:14:28 <t0mless> super easy to do in php and android
May 10 02:14:49 <fBirD> i need to do one webservice to return one xml in php for my android app , what is the better way?
May 10 02:15:35 <fBirD> t0mless you know any examples? i realy need to see ones
May 10 02:16:30 <t0mless> google knows
May 10 02:16:30 <readme> you need to find two examples:
May 10 02:16:47 <readme> PHP ReSTFUL API with JSON example
May 10 02:16:47 <t0mless> why do you need to return xml?
May 10 02:16:50 <KwikkSilva> http://coenraets.org/blog/2012/02/sample-mobile-app-with-backbone-js-and-phonegap/
May 10 02:17:02 <readme> and Android ReSTful API client example
May 10 02:17:06 <fBirD> i need to use xml no json
May 10 02:17:07 <readme> don't try to find one example for both
May 10 02:17:11 <KwikkSilva> that link has restfule backends in gihub in php and java
May 10 02:17:12 <readme> well substitute xml then
May 10 02:17:14 <fBirD> i alread have some stuff in xml
May 10 02:17:15 <t0mless> why do you need to return xml?
May 10 02:17:38 <KwikkSilva> @echo t0mless
May 10 02:17:54 <t0mless> you can still use ReST with xml
May 10 02:17:58 <t0mless> not as clean though
May 10 02:18:06 <KwikkSilva> use json - or convert the json to xml
May 10 02:18:11 <readme> XML is good for some things
May 10 02:18:20 <readme> I don't think I'd like if XMPP used JSON.
May 10 02:18:26 <readme> I like it XML, just fine.
May 10 02:18:29 <KwikkSilva> depends on what hes dealing with
May 10 02:18:37 <KwikkSilva> if it neds to be validated etc
May 10 02:18:45 <KwikkSilva> like xml schemas
May 10 02:18:53 <KwikkSilva> which ae pretty nice
May 10 02:20:04 <fBirD> i will try thks
May 10 02:24:05 <KwikkSilva> fBirD : in this instance i have decidede i am going to do all of hw work for you
May 10 02:24:25 <KwikkSilva> Here is how you developa  php XML rest wqeb service
May 10 02:24:26 <KwikkSilva> http://phprestsql.sourceforge.net/
May 10 02:24:44 <KwikkSilva> here is how to call it
May 10 02:24:45 <KwikkSilva> http://timewasted.net/?p=127
May 10 02:25:37 * readme waits for fBirD to follow the second tutorial you linked and come here to ask why "the app freezes for a second" and he gets a NetworkOnMainThread exception.
May 10 02:29:08 * KwikkSilva tap tap tap
May 10 02:34:16 <g00s> does anyone keep 2 separate code bases for one app : pre hc and hc+ , instead of trying to get one code base working everywhere? this is more of a version control way of dealing with things
May 10 02:36:58 <g00s> i guess thats 'no' :)
May 10 02:37:12 <g00s> t0mless: we should have captured graphitmaster while he was still here
May 10 02:37:26 <t0mless> Shouldn't a view's width/height be measured and available with getWidth() after you inflate it?
May 10 02:37:29 <g00s> oh, nm graphitemaster
May 10 02:37:47 <t0mless> he was here?
May 10 02:37:55 <alex_PP> t0mless, not until after it's been layed out
May 10 02:38:04 <t0mless> but using a fragment
May 10 02:38:12 <t0mless> when you use the layoutinflater
May 10 02:38:18 <t0mless> doesn't that do inflate + layout?
May 10 02:38:25 <t0mless> or it does it after you return the view?
May 10 02:39:32 <readme> t0mless: nope
May 10 02:39:41 <readme> getWidth() and getHeight() are available after the first onDraw
May 10 02:39:52 <readme> getMeasuredWidth() and getMeasuredHeight() are available after onMeasure
May 10 02:40:51 <t0mless> and to make sure i'm not batshit insane
May 10 02:41:08 <t0mless> (0,0) is top left, and positive Y is down?
May 10 02:41:30 <alex_PP> you can do .measure(0,0) and then .getMeasuredW/H(), but it's not ideal
May 10 02:42:06 <alex_PP> t0mless, yeah
May 10 02:42:32 <readme> t0mless: what are you making
May 10 02:42:56 <t0mless> a stupid range label marker for this stupid graph because the built-in one is fucking stupid
May 10 02:43:07 <readme> aw
May 10 02:43:16 <t0mless> and I want to center it vertically based on the size of the graph
May 10 02:43:27 <t0mless> but it keeps fucking up
May 10 02:43:29 <readme> hmm
May 10 02:43:49 <alex_PP> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.MeasureSpec.html
May 10 02:43:53 <alex_PP> read thjis?
May 10 02:43:58 <alex_PP> -j
May 10 02:44:06 <t0mless> I think i've read that before
May 10 02:44:32 <readme> you can hook onMeasure
May 10 02:44:32 <g00s> http://www.theverge.com/android/2012/5/9/3010404/judge-denies-oracles-motion-for-ruling-on-fair-use-says-new-trial
May 10 02:44:37 <readme> that's what i've done for this in the past.
May 10 02:44:59 <t0mless> what I really need is a hook for onMeasureFinished
May 10 02:45:07 <readme> \o/
May 10 02:45:08 <alex_PP> are you extending the graph or overlaying?
May 10 02:45:10 <readme> justice
May 10 02:45:42 <readme> t0mless: override on measure, call super.onMeasure(), then call your callback
May 10 02:45:43 <t0mless> just trying to overlay a textview
May 10 02:45:47 <readme> that's exactly the same thing
May 10 02:45:51 <readme> as "onMeasureFinished"
May 10 02:45:58 <t0mless> except fragments don't have onMeasure
May 10 02:46:14 <readme> fragments don't have UI or draw on the screen or the property of space, either
May 10 02:46:22 <t0mless> indeed
May 10 02:46:30 <readme> so you need to write a custom view :)
May 10 02:46:42 <t0mless> but... I ... don't... wanna!
May 10 02:47:01 <t0mless> screw it, we'll go about this another way
May 10 02:48:17 <readme> a timer :)?
May 10 02:53:32 <osxorgate> i have a somewhat complex datastructure, and several activities to display various elements of it. Now i can also update the data from the internet, but how to properly handle a correct update? just instantly updating the data might cause confusion
May 10 02:54:03 <osxorgate> optionally i can make the user wait until download is complete, staring at a progress bar
May 10 02:55:10 <t0mless> Loader
May 10 02:55:22 <t0mless> with a progress bar in the titlebar/actionbar
May 10 02:59:52 <t0mless> The fact that these label widgets in their graphing library don't automatically expand wrap the text content pisses me off greatly
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