**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 17 03:00:00 2012
May 17 03:01:23 <Drakonite> his comment about some of the stuff is carppy though
May 17 03:02:25 <readme> the issue has been floating around for a while, I guess
May 17 03:02:33 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1019573/save-icon-still-a-floppy-disk
May 17 03:03:07 <g00s> "Use a picture of Jesus. Because everybody knows that Jesus saves" … best comment evar
May 17 03:05:13 <hesperaux> time for bed
May 17 03:05:14 <hesperaux> night all
May 17 03:11:24 <spifff> hm can i have a Fragment mess around with the view hierarchy of its container, or is that just asking for trouble?
May 17 03:12:36 <t0mless> you can, but that is a silly idea
May 17 03:12:48 <t0mless> because then the whole point of your fragment is lost
May 17 03:13:19 <b1n0ry> i wrote an activity that finishes itself on create. it reminds me of that little box that when you turn it on, the hand comes out and turns itself off again.
May 17 03:13:55 <b1n0ry> i should make an animation of the box hand come out and hit the back button
May 17 03:14:22 <spifff> t0mless, i'm trying to play videos from a webview in fullscreen, so in onShowCustomView() i need to put that view somewhere... maybe i could use a separate window, but i haven't looked into how those work at all
May 17 03:15:25 <b1n0ry> think of some wierd crap when hyped up on caffeine and listening to daft punk past my bed time
May 17 03:17:33 <readme> setting the textCursorDrawable to @null apparently causes the textColor to be used as the cursor color. However, android:textCursorDrawable is only API level 12 and up
May 17 03:17:41 <readme> how can I theme the cursor color in an EditText on versions prior to 12?
May 17 04:01:40 <pragma-> got that graph update out
May 17 04:02:30 <readme> i will install when my google play works again
May 17 04:02:40 <t0mless> might have to look into that graph library
May 17 04:02:40 <readme> for some reason safestrapping my phone causes google play to not work after I switch OS
May 17 04:02:59 <readme> i.e. I switch from 2.3 to 4.0, then it takes like half a day for play to work again.
May 17 04:03:02 <readme> not surprising, really.
May 17 04:03:24 <pragma-> readme: there's a download page on the code.google.com site where you can get the apk
May 17 04:03:40 <readme> oh, awesome
May 17 04:04:06 <pragma-> http://code.google.com/p/iptableslog/downloads/list
May 17 04:05:07 <pragma-> t0mless: it's not a bad start
May 17 04:06:04 <pragma-> I've got to check out that pull-request that adds a callback for when you select a point on the graph to see how well it works
May 17 04:06:19 <pragma-> not sure if I really need it though
May 17 04:06:58 <pragma-> download count still at 1 for my update
May 17 04:07:10 <pragma-> I see how interested you really are!
May 17 04:07:34 <b1n0ry> i guess finish() is probably bad in my "setBookmark" function... that's what i get for copy-pasting from another function.
May 17 04:08:03 <pragma-> not unless you want the setbookmark activity to exit after you set the bookmark
May 17 04:08:14 <b1n0ry> "Set Bookmark" = terminate application. i think that would be difficult to explain in my instructions
May 17 04:08:29 <readme> finish doesn't terminate the application, it finishes the current activity
May 17 04:08:38 <readme> just so we are on the same page.
May 17 04:08:41 <b1n0ry> it sort of does if it happens to be the first activity ;)
May 17 04:14:19 <spifff> hm... i'm trying to get a PopupWindow to  display... i get no exceptions or anything, just nothing shows on screen
May 17 04:26:47 <napster> While a user is using my application, I need to switch to a specific activity when ever the phone is tilted, no matter which screen is he now. What is the best way to achieve this?
May 17 04:37:09 <Sleepybear> create a parent Activity class that watches the accellerometer for your tilt and acts accordingly
May 17 04:37:20 <Sleepybear> and have all your other activities derive from that class
May 17 04:38:09 <readme> i think when he says tilt
May 17 04:38:13 <readme> he just means change orientation
May 17 04:38:26 <readme> in which case I think direct accelerometer access may be overkill
May 17 04:39:04 <readme> the solution there would be to simply use a fragment, and stick it in your layout in layout-land, that is the case.
May 17 04:52:12 <jwopl> how easy/difficult is to compile and run android source to executable
May 17 04:52:44 <jwopl> using eclipse IDE thing with jdk1.7 ADTPlugin android-sdk
May 17 04:52:55 <jwopl> installed
May 17 04:53:47 <Leeds> android OS source, or app?
May 17 04:57:07 <b1n0ry> easy/difficult are very relative terms. depends on one's level of skill/experience with the tools in question.
May 17 04:58:12 <b1n0ry> for me, it'd be pretty dang hard because i barely even understand java. for the senior architect at samsung in charge of developing the galaxy software, probably all in a few minutes of breath over a bagel.
May 17 05:01:34 <jwopl> takes time or messy
May 17 05:01:46 <jwopl> simple android app/game
May 17 05:02:14 <b1n0ry> again, depends on your level of skill/experience. i'm working on my first app. taking me forever and it's probably something reasonably simple that most experienced folks could roll out in a day or two.
May 17 05:02:16 <jwopl> i have all those installed already "  eclipse IDE thing  jdk1.7 ADTPlugin android-sdk
May 17 05:02:27 <b1n0ry> have you ever programmed a game before?
May 17 05:02:44 <jwopl> no
May 17 05:02:50 <b1n0ry> games of reasonable complexity are, honestly, the most difficult apps to write.
May 17 05:02:58 <jwopl> how long it takes to compile "Hello World" app
May 17 05:03:14 <jwopl> i keep getting errors and garbage
May 17 05:03:22 <b1n0ry> to learn it? write it? or just compile it?
May 17 05:03:27 <jwopl> and then eclipse crashes
May 17 05:03:34 <b1n0ry> it takes split seconds to compile the app in eclipse. just set to auto compile.
May 17 05:03:36 <jwopl> just compile it
May 17 05:03:44 <jwopl>  i cant write or understand
May 17 05:03:54 <b1n0ry> heck, my app recompiles every time i save a file
May 17 05:04:01 <b1n0ry> barely notice it
May 17 05:04:03 <jwopl> will modify text in others' sources little bit  then compile
May 17 05:04:33 <b1n0ry> don't forget that to "compile" an apk file (without obfuscation), all it's doing is saving your file into a zip file.
May 17 05:05:05 <b1n0ry> that's all an apk file is, really
May 17 05:05:31 <jwopl> what is the main executable file
May 17 05:05:35 <jwopl> .class ?
May 17 05:05:40 <jwopl> .manifest ?
May 17 05:05:42 <jwopl> .xml ?
May 17 05:06:10 <jwopl> android looks like just frm outside
May 17 05:06:36 <jwopl> inside is most complex garbage from all languages n dos like tools
May 17 05:06:47 <jwopl> looks like toy
May 17 05:06:53 <jwopl> while using
May 17 05:07:03 <jwopl> is not
May 17 05:07:58 <jwopl> is it too difficult in android ?  10 Print "Hello World"  cout<<"Hello World"; SystemOutPrintln("Hello World");
May 17 05:08:10 <bankai_> stop typing rubbish would you
May 17 05:08:15 * jwopl slaps bankai_ around a bit with a large trout
May 17 05:08:31 <bankai_> oh great, a mirc user ....
May 17 05:09:22 <jwopl> which one is for android    eclipse-indigo   or eclipse-galileo
May 17 05:09:28 <g00s> jwopl: i think you need java 6 with android
May 17 05:10:04 <g00s> i have java 6, eclipse 3.7.2 platform runtime + JDT + ADT … thats it
May 17 05:10:25 <jwopl> what jdt
May 17 05:10:30 <jwopl> i got ADT plugins
May 17 05:12:35 <g00s> hm, this is weird. i can't seem to find the old 3.7 stuff any more, everythin is 4.1.2
May 17 05:12:46 <b1n0ry> jwopl, yeah, that's not how android works...
May 17 05:12:52 <jwopl> and we cant compile single .java file ?  need to make all  BIN  MANIFEST DEFAULT SRC etc ?
May 17 05:13:09 <b1n0ry> jwopl, it's object-oriented java.
May 17 05:13:37 <b1n0ry> if you're using eclipse with the ADT plugin, just create a new android project. it will build the whole structure for you.
May 17 05:14:01 <b1n0ry> and it will auto compile your code as you edit it
May 17 05:14:59 <jwopl> ok
May 17 05:15:13 <b1n0ry> get eclipse indigo classic
May 17 05:15:47 <b1n0ry> install the ADT plugin, set up your android SDK with the SDK manager for the version(s) you are targeting
May 17 05:15:51 <jwopl> i got it all
May 17 05:15:53 <b1n0ry> create an AVD emulator
May 17 05:16:01 <b1n0ry> and you're good to start
May 17 05:16:04 <jwopl> and both 32bit n 64bit of each
May 17 05:16:16 <b1n0ry> 32-bit, you don't need 64-bit for this
May 17 05:16:22 <jwopl> and android-sdk and androidx86 for emulating
May 17 05:16:24 <b1n0ry> here's a good start for you http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Android-Application-Development/dp/0321673352
May 17 05:16:30 <jwopl> also fones
May 17 05:16:50 <b1n0ry> that's the book i got started with. made it about 1/2 way through and had enough grasp to at least get started on my own
May 17 05:17:33 <jwopl> if i could read
May 17 05:17:54 <jwopl> would make my own AI OS  and everything
May 17 05:20:02 <jwopl> cant phones automatically run the .zip file (with manifest src .java files bin ,etc) renamed to .apk ? without needing eclipse trash
May 17 05:20:20 <bankai_> you don't HAVE to use eclipse
May 17 05:20:30 <jwopl> just using winzip
May 17 05:20:39 <jwopl> u tell this now ?
May 17 05:20:49 <jwopl> ok
May 17 05:21:25 <jwopl> what else to include with the helloworld.java file in the .zip/apk so phone can run it
May 17 05:22:25 <Leeds> erm...
May 17 05:22:33 <bankai_> jwopl: have you read the tutorials on d.android.com ?
May 17 05:24:09 <jwopl> manifest.xml is generated after compile or before ?
May 17 05:28:04 <g00s> erm, indeed
May 17 05:28:41 <Leeds> jwopl: go away and read http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkapjava/
May 17 05:31:13 <jwopl> Could not open the editor: Factory org.eclipse.jdt.ui.ClassFileEditorInputFactory returned null from createElement for editor id=org.eclipse.jdt.ui.ClassFileEditor name=Animator.class
May 17 05:31:37 <jwopl> we cant directly run .java source in phone by .apking
May 17 05:36:06 <jwopl> help
May 17 05:36:24 <jwopl> it cant even compile Google's original projects
May 17 05:36:49 <jwopl> not running any sample in  D:\androidsdk\samples\android-14  folder
May 17 05:37:03 <jwopl> those samples came from google android sdk
May 17 05:40:45 <sampullman> jwopl: what is the "it" that can't compile the sample projects?
May 17 05:40:51 <sampullman> eclipse?
May 17 05:40:55 <jwopl> yes
May 17 05:41:13 <jwopl> Could not open the editor: Factory org.eclipse.jdt.ui.ClassFileEditorInputFactory returned null from createElement for editor id=org.eclipse.jdt.ui.ClassFileEditor name=Animator.class
May 17 05:41:16 <jwopl> and many more errors
May 17 05:41:21 <jwopl> whatever
May 17 05:42:17 <jwopl> a Video tutorial of the book 'learn android in 24hrs' can teach in 2 hrs ?
May 17 05:42:38 <readme> you might learn how to compile hello world in 2 hours.
May 17 05:42:57 <sampullman> start with the basics, make sure you've set up your environment correctly and get hello world to work
May 17 05:42:58 <sampullman> http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/hello-world.html
May 17 05:44:09 <pfn> learn to write an android app in 2 hours... maybe if you're already a programming expert
May 17 05:44:40 <readme> in which case you wouldn't be watching an in-24 hours book video
May 17 05:44:49 <readme> so I guess we can write it off as complete garbage.
May 17 05:53:20 * g00s is ebarassed to say, it took me about 6mos to be remotely productive in android - and not embarrased of every amn thing i wrote 
May 17 05:53:25 <g00s> *embarassed
May 17 05:56:29 <g00s> funny thing - i know less about android now then i did a year ago :(
May 17 05:56:32 <hoangtran> 6 months passed for me, and still feeling smt wrong with 90% of the code I'm writing recently, not to mention the code in the past
May 17 05:56:51 <g00s> also, i'm kinda stuck in froyo api land with whatever the compat lib gave me
May 17 05:56:54 <jwopl> how is New -> 'Android sample project' differnt from 'Android Project'
May 17 05:57:50 <g00s> but alas, 2012 is the year of GB !
May 17 05:58:03 <g00s> i can learn the ICS stuff in 2013
May 17 05:58:21 <g00s> so its nice things go kinda slowly around here ;)
May 17 06:04:37 <JakeWharton> that's dumb
May 17 06:05:22 <jwopl> android is dumb ?
May 17 06:05:24 <JakeWharton> you should be limiting functionality on the older platforms not reducing all platforms to leverage only the APIs available on your minSdkVersion
May 17 06:05:35 <jwopl> eclipse is dumb
May 17 06:05:46 <JakeWharton> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/
May 17 06:05:47 <JakeWharton> fixed
May 17 06:06:01 <jwopl> all those billion apps in android market google play  were made in the same eclipse i got ?
May 17 06:06:29 <JakeWharton> quite a lot of people in the know use IntelliJ IDEA
May 17 06:07:01 <JakeWharton> I would never go back to Eclipse for anything in a million years
May 17 06:10:33 <readme> unless, you accidentally step in a wormhole, in a strange twist of space-time madness.
May 17 06:11:43 <JakeWharton> I already travelled to the future and brought back a device to prevent that
May 17 06:11:57 <g00s> its a WP8 device, right ?
May 17 06:12:01 <g00s> :D
May 17 06:12:06 <JakeWharton> yeah, really shitty tech I had to fish out of a dumpster
May 17 06:12:17 <JakeWharton> I couldn't afford anything worth a damn in the future
May 17 06:12:23 <JakeWharton> so it was bottom of the barrel tech
May 17 06:12:37 <g00s> JakeWharton: see what happens when you earn your oats as an android dev ?
May 17 06:12:53 <JakeWharton> I've developer for WP7 and used a WP7 device quite extensively
May 17 06:12:54 <JakeWharton> it sucks
May 17 06:12:55 <JakeWharton> hard
May 17 06:15:05 <pragma-> that's hot
May 17 06:15:20 <JakeWharton> *developed
May 17 06:15:25 <g00s> wp7 didn't have the apis i needed so i didn't get serious with it. but it will have the apis i need in 8
May 17 06:15:40 <pragma-> and a 5% market share in 8
May 17 06:15:45 <JakeWharton> XAML sucks
May 17 06:15:52 <JakeWharton> Give me Android's XML any day over that shit
May 17 06:21:06 <jwopl> r all those files in all folders part of source code ? http://dopewars-android.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
May 17 06:23:01 <b1n0ry> recursive listviews are a... nnoying
May 17 06:23:27 <b1n0ry> esp when populated by json calls from a remote source. basically i have to requery the json every single time the user presses 'back'
May 17 06:23:29 <pfn> why would it be recursive
May 17 06:23:37 <pfn> so cache it somewhere
May 17 06:23:43 <b1n0ry> pfn: that's on my wish list
May 17 06:24:04 <b1n0ry> i'm building the app for functionality and i'm simultaneously creating a laundry list of future enhancement 'nice to have' stuff
May 17 06:24:26 <b1n0ry> right now, the json calls are so quick it's not that critical, but just annoying that the 'previous' class instance didn't retain its own listview contents
May 17 06:25:32 <b1n0ry> re: why is it recursive, it's because this is a chapter/topic browser kind of thing. click an item and get a new listview of that items' children (if it has any) and so on.
May 17 06:25:44 <b1n0ry> never know if there will be 2 layers of children or 25
May 17 06:25:52 <JakeWharton> Use a Loader
May 17 06:25:54 <JakeWharton> free caching
May 17 06:26:21 <b1n0ry> Loader = new term for me. i just jotted it down next to 'local caching' on my white board wishlist
May 17 06:26:26 <b1n0ry> ty
May 17 06:27:13 <JakeWharton> support library has them
May 17 06:27:17 <JakeWharton> i hope you're already using that
May 17 06:27:31 <b1n0ry> depends... what's the support library?
May 17 06:28:02 <b1n0ry> the key here is that i've been working on this app for about 5 days now... which is also the sum total of my experience with both Java and Android.
May 17 06:28:27 <b1n0ry> don't get me wrong, i'm learning a *TON*... just not an 'expert' by any means
May 17 06:29:34 <b1n0ry> between the fact that i picked up 3 books on the topic outside of my safari books account, have been reading stack overflow and the sdk documents religiously... i've crammed a lot of learning into my 5 days
May 17 06:30:45 <b1n0ry> and i anticipate that 6 months from now, i'll look back on the code i'm writing right now and say "WTF was i thinking!?"
May 17 06:31:47 <g00s> b1n0ry: hopefully. if you don't say wtf, you aren't learning
May 17 06:32:06 <b1n0ry> exactly, happens every time i learn something new like this
May 17 06:32:28 <g00s> i'm learning 2 new platforms, 2 new languages at the same time, so i expect plenty of wtf over the next 6 mos
May 17 06:32:50 <b1n0ry> heck, it happens in environments i'm considered an 'industry expert' in... i still look back every few months with garnered knowledge
May 17 06:33:34 <g00s> the bookmark manager in this latest chrome is buggy as shit
May 17 06:33:56 <b1n0ry> at least eclipse is very comfortable for me. one of my core industrial technologies is a product called HP Service Manager which has its clients built on eclipse.
May 17 06:34:14 <deepa> anyone have a lib for storing call history in a DB? I want to make stats
May 17 06:34:18 <jwopl> what is difference between dalvik java  and  real java
May 17 06:34:21 <jwopl> few differnces
May 17 06:34:33 <jwopl> example syntax  command
May 17 06:34:41 <deepa> ooh, HPSM, I hate it
May 17 06:34:47 <readme> deepa: the call log is already available via a ContentProvider.
May 17 06:35:34 <b1n0ry> deepa, it's my bread-and-butter. i know their dir. of product development and their sr. architect personally. i've written hunks of their support documentation.
May 17 06:35:40 <deepa> readme: I was hoping not to reinvent the wheel, but do calls have an unique identifier?
May 17 06:35:47 <readme> deepa: yes
May 17 06:36:02 <readme> not UUID, probably an autoincrement id.
May 17 06:36:12 <readme> I haven't used it for a long time.
May 17 06:37:27 <jwopl> can someone explain just these 10 lines .  later i learn all myself
May 17 06:38:36 <deepa> sorry, IRC client froze
May 17 06:39:11 <DashCC> jwopl: the java is not different, its the VM. DalvikVM
May 17 06:39:34 <deepa> b1n0ry: I had this fun experience working for a company which housed in a HP office
May 17 06:39:40 <deepa> we were forced over to HPSM
May 17 06:40:30 <g00s> Healing Place School of Ministry ?
May 17 06:40:33 <JakeWharton> jwopl: the dalvik VM is optimized for running on mobile devices and chipsets
May 17 06:40:35 <DashCC> jwopl: the DalvikVM is optimized for androids process handle structures and different stuff
May 17 06:40:37 <deepa> Which was horrible becuase our workflow couldn't fit into HP Service Manger
May 17 06:40:50 <deepa> and it takes a million clicks to get anywhere
May 17 06:40:50 <b1n0ry> our office is predominately an hp shop, however many of the vendors we deal with aren't. we've built interfaces to their system to accomodate their needs - whethere it's a CA product, remedy, etc.
May 17 06:41:09 <b1n0ry> deepa: depends on how it's built. it's very highly 'tailorable'
May 17 06:41:13 <deepa> Ah
May 17 06:41:35 <b1n0ry> the first thing i do on a fresh install of HPSM is purge the out-of-box workflows and build my own.
May 17 06:41:40 <deepa> The one we have, to create an incident (E-IM iirc) took 11 clicks, in the previous one it took 4
May 17 06:41:59 <b1n0ry> granted, i have a full-time dedicated support/development team that i lead. and i tread it like an application development team.
May 17 06:42:09 <jwopl> java hello world is simple "  class helloworld { public static void main(String args[]) { System.Out.Println("Hello World"); }}  "
May 17 06:42:17 <jwopl> but android is 10 lines
May 17 06:42:19 <b1n0ry> we do click studies for our service desk to minimize call handling time.
May 17 06:42:20 <jwopl> package com.example.helloandroid; import android.app.Activity; import android.os.Bundle; public class HelloAndroid extends Activity { /** Called when the activity is first created. */ @Override  public void onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) { super.onCreate(savedInstanceState); setContentView(R.layout.main); }}
May 17 06:42:26 <deepa> Why couldn't you have worked at my previous employment b1n0ry :-/?
May 17 06:42:27 <jwopl> what do all those lines mean
May 17 06:42:32 <readme> jwopl: use a pastebin
May 17 06:43:02 <b1n0ry> jwopl: Start an activity called "HelloAndroid" and, when it launches, display the layout called "main.xml"
May 17 06:43:09 <b1n0ry> pretty much
May 17 06:43:42 <jwopl> package bundle appActivity trash
May 17 06:43:52 <jwopl> just for printing text "Helloworld
May 17 06:44:02 <jwopl> ?
May 17 06:44:03 <b1n0ry> deepa: lol. i've been asked that by HP, haha! i tell them they can't afford me ;)
May 17 06:44:11 <deepa> :D
May 17 06:44:38 <deepa> Mind if I ask some questions in privmsg?
May 17 06:44:54 <b1n0ry> their dir of product development, senior sales rep, and fortune 500 account principle took me to dinner in las vegas last year - at $200 a plate - to ask me questions
May 17 06:45:22 <b1n0ry> i'm going to their conference again this year on their dollar. free pass to vegas for a week.
May 17 06:46:27 <DashCC> oh, wouldnt mind that either
May 17 06:47:23 <g00s> b1n0ry: if you're really an hp shop, i would guess windows tablets are in your future (hp announced they are getting behind windows 8)
May 17 06:47:35 <g00s> i guess they thought it was better than webOS :(
May 17 06:47:54 <pfn> hp is fubar
May 17 06:48:06 <g00s> we were an hp shop too, i agree
May 17 06:48:17 <jwopl> what hp
May 17 06:48:20 <jwopl> HP Android ?
May 17 06:48:30 <g00s> but … they did have *awesome* customer service for enterprise software we used
May 17 06:48:32 <jwopl> HP got only old WM fones
May 17 06:48:45 <b1n0ry> g00s, heh... iPads
May 17 06:48:53 <b1n0ry> g00s, because our brands think they're "sexy"
May 17 06:49:11 <b1n0ry> and it's annoying as crap because our clients don't render in safari properly
May 17 06:50:07 <g00s> b1n0ry: ok i was thinking of this when you said you were an hp shop http://www.itpro.co.uk/640555/hp-readying-windows-8-tablets-for-smbs-and-the-enterprise
May 17 06:51:09 <g00s> not the best article on the topic, but should suffice
May 17 06:51:42 <b1n0ry> g00s, they are. they have a new product for windows tablets and webos called 'executive scorecard' which is pretty slick for hp service management shops.
May 17 06:51:55 <b1n0ry> but... we won't take advantage because our brands are fixated on iThings
May 17 06:52:32 <jwopl> dsfkjsdf
May 17 06:52:49 <g00s> jwopl: that was the clearest and most comprehensible thing you said all day :)
May 17 06:54:04 <b1n0ry> rofl
May 17 06:54:59 <jwopl> thats HP
May 17 06:55:04 <jwopl>  ?
May 17 07:06:26 <g00s> anyone using leveldb in android yet ?
May 17 07:07:36 <maxagaz> hi
May 17 07:08:32 <maxagaz> I'm using an external library project with my project, it works fine, how can I include this external library folder into my project ? (for easier management with git)
May 17 07:08:56 <maxagaz> should I convert it to some jar file ?
May 17 07:12:23 <readme> the way I do it, is i create a git repository in my workspace, and ignore the projects I don't want in it with .gitignore
May 17 07:12:38 <readme> then I end up with a directory for: the libraries, the test project, and the project itself
May 17 07:13:11 <readme> like I did here https://github.com/tom-dignan/Android-OpenCNAM-Library
May 17 07:13:27 <JakeWharton> you may want to consider a git submodule
May 17 07:13:28 <tbellenger> maxagaz: could just compile to .jar and drop it in the libs directory of any project that uses it (instead of using it as an external library project)
May 17 07:13:41 <JakeWharton> you cannot compile a .jar if it's a real android library project
May 17 07:14:32 <tbellenger> JakeWharton: I think you're mistaken
May 17 07:14:39 <JakeWharton> yeah, i'm not
May 17 07:14:50 <JakeWharton> resources can't be bundled in .jars
May 17 07:15:37 <tbellenger> why do you think that a library project necessarily has resources.
May 17 07:16:08 <readme> you are guilty of the same fallacy, assuming it doesn't
May 17 07:16:14 <readme> you should both just kiss and make up now
May 17 07:16:15 <jwopl> the snake exampleworked
May 17 07:16:34 <tbellenger> kiss kiss ;o)
May 17 07:16:35 <readme> congratulations
May 17 07:16:39 <jwopl> snake game android example  world n also allows modify speed time etc
May 17 07:16:49 <jwopl> ks
May 17 07:16:56 <JakeWharton> my assumption is probably the safer because no self-respecting library developer would fail to provide a .jar if all their project contained was Java code
May 17 07:17:18 <jwopl> so i  just keep modifyin others' sources  no need to learn android book
May 17 07:18:39 <readme> if you aren't that experienced yet, a cookbook style book can be helpful
May 17 07:18:56 <g00s> hmm, is retos' 3e out yet ?
May 17 07:19:05 <DashCC> well. I can recommend the Programming Android Book of O'Reilly
May 17 07:19:08 <JakeWharton> for a few weeks now, g00s
May 17 07:19:19 <JakeWharton> people seem to like it too
May 17 07:19:21 <DashCC> it shows you the neccesary best practices when programming for android
May 17 07:19:25 <DashCC> *java best practices
May 17 07:19:28 <DashCC> and then android itself
May 17 07:19:31 <jwopl> jav
May 17 07:19:37 <g00s> jwopl: yeah, i would go with reto 3e then
May 17 07:20:04 <jwopl> make use of all compass camera gSensor sound microphone gps wifi bt
May 17 07:20:41 <g00s> i'm glad they kept the cool terminator on the cover; thats what i was most worried about
May 17 07:20:53 <g00s> even if it makes kids cry
May 17 07:21:49 <tbellenger> g00s: isn't it ret.'s 4e now?
May 17 07:22:11 <g00s> no, android 4 - 3e
May 17 07:22:32 <g00s> 1e had a picture of him on the cover - i wonder if he turned into the robot :O
May 17 07:22:39 <tbellenger> ah ok. agreed for the terminator
May 17 07:23:08 <JakeWharton> FYI terminator 2 is $5 on amazon
May 17 07:23:28 <Sleepybear> you can probably find it in a bargin bin at any walmart for 1$
May 17 07:23:34 <JakeWharton> blu-ray
May 17 07:23:37 <JakeWharton> not VHS
May 17 07:23:59 <maxagaz> I have tried to import the library besides mine in /src folder, but I get two errors about resources, although I copied the two xml resources, it doesn't find it, why ?
May 17 07:24:11 <JakeWharton> you're joking right?
May 17 07:24:13 <JakeWharton> we need more info than that
May 17 07:24:28 <readme> right---which wal-mart can we get it at?
May 17 07:24:40 <jwopl> but its running ONLY sample projects in ADK
May 17 07:24:44 <maxagaz> it says: R cannot be resolved to a variable
May 17 07:24:49 <jwopl> not running any other free source codes
May 17 07:24:52 <Sleepybear> lol
May 17 07:24:56 * JakeWharton runs
May 17 07:24:58 <Sleepybear> that means your R build fucked up
May 17 07:25:04 <Sleepybear> because one of your resources is fucked up
May 17 07:25:15 <Sleepybear> try to clean your project and see if it tells you the error
May 17 07:25:16 <jwopl> Source code (eclipse project): DroidFish141.tar.bz2    http://cuckoochess.googlecode.com/files/DroidFish141.tar.bz2
May 17 07:25:20 <jwopl> that cant be wrong
May 17 07:25:26 <readme> my brain is a neural network processor, a learning computer
May 17 07:25:29 <jwopl> does not work
May 17 07:25:39 <Sleepybear> speaking of which, did they ever fix that error in library projects building when verbose build is on in the ADT plugin?
May 17 07:25:52 <jwopl> my brain is garbage compactor
May 17 07:26:51 <JakeWharton> my brain is a garbage collector
May 17 07:26:59 <jwopl> rors occurred during the build.Errors running builder 'Integrated External Tool Builder' on project 'DroidFish'.The file does not exist for the xternal tool named Native_Builder.The file does not exist for the external tool named Native_Builder.
May 17 07:27:03 <jwopl> Errors
May 17 07:27:04 <Sleepybear> my brain is squishy
May 17 07:27:07 <JakeWharton> thankfully on every pass it enabled me to forget things I see in here
May 17 07:27:33 <ddreamer0> hi
May 17 07:27:44 <g00s> JakeWharton: hopefully its better than dalvik, otherwise you're memory will get fragmented from generations not being compacted
May 17 07:27:54 <Sleepybear> I have written 0 lines of code since I sat down with this laptop
May 17 07:28:06 <g00s> Sleepybear: we will help you with that trend!
May 17 07:28:07 <ddreamer0> how can i compile ONLY my current project? i have the impression eclipse is compiling all my projects, even the "closed" ones
May 17 07:28:15 <jwopl> we need to copy all files to D:\androidSDK\samples\android-14 folder ? and open as new -> Android Sample  Project
May 17 07:28:16 <jwopl>  ?
May 17 07:28:27 <tbellenger> maxagaz: did you copy in eclipse and it did that thing where it automatically tries to import from another R
May 17 07:28:33 <Sleepybear> turn off auto build and select build project and not build workspace?
May 17 07:28:40 <g00s> hm, retos' ebook is still $29. don't they have any coupons :|
May 17 07:28:42 <Sleepybear> and it won't build the closed ones
May 17 07:29:48 <readme> g00s: y u no safari
May 17 07:29:56 <maxagaz> tbellenger: I did copy-paste the folder in src to my projects' src from eclipse
May 17 07:30:27 <JakeWharton> you don't think it's worth $29?
May 17 07:30:31 <maxagaz> tbellenger: same for the two R.drawable xml files
May 17 07:30:33 <tbellenger> so check at the top of the source you copied and see if there is an import for an R which doesn't exist
May 17 07:30:35 <g00s> readme: oh yeah, that. well, for a while i was offline a bit, and they are kinda a pain to d/l whole books from - at least the last time i checked
May 17 07:30:38 <JakeWharton> I'd say that's a fair price
May 17 07:30:48 <JakeWharton> better than those $60 monstrosities
May 17 07:30:49 <Sleepybear> oh shit, I gotta download the latest commensware before my sub runs out
May 17 07:30:58 <g00s> JakeWharton: i'm just used to orally always having awesome specials.
May 17 07:31:02 <g00s> *oreilly
May 17 07:31:06 <g00s> damn colloquy
May 17 07:31:10 <maxagaz> tbellenger: there's an import android.R;
May 17 07:31:22 <Sleepybear> you probably don't want that
May 17 07:31:24 <g00s> basically, if you have an oreilly account, its always buy 1 get 1 free
May 17 07:31:48 <JakeWharton> g00s: we need to find a better client
May 17 07:32:03 <Sleepybear> doesn't xchat run on Mac?
May 17 07:32:11 <g00s> JakeWharton: yeah, colloquy was crashing on me today.
May 17 07:32:18 <readme> gah, safari doesn't even have it
May 17 07:32:21 <Sleepybear> though last time I ran xchat I kinda remember it sucking
May 17 07:32:28 <maxagaz> tbellenger: it's working now, thanks so much!
May 17 07:32:54 <maxagaz> tbellenger: I didn't think about replacing it by com.myproject.foo.R
May 17 07:33:16 <jwopl> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/13354653/236091155/name/%5BBook%5D+Teach+Yourself+Android+Application+Development+in+24+Hours+%5B2010%5D+Resampled.pdf
May 17 07:33:23 <jwopl> $29
May 17 07:33:34 <maxagaz> Sleepybear: I'm using LimeChat on mac, couln't find a better one
May 17 07:33:39 <tbellenger> you don't need to replace it. Normally you don't even need that import. It'll be automatci
May 17 07:33:46 <maxagaz> Sleepybear: xchat is not nice on mac
May 17 07:34:14 <Sleepybear> I've never owned a mac
May 17 07:34:19 <Sleepybear> used xchat on linux before
May 17 07:34:30 <maxagaz> tbellenger: I tried to remove it before, but then I still get these errors
May 17 07:34:53 <maxagaz> Sleepybear: me too, I was new to mac, always using linux before
May 17 07:35:21 <jwopl> sory
May 17 07:37:05 <jluw9o> aSDASD
May 17 07:37:06 <DanWard> hi guys, are there any kernel  devs in here?
May 17 07:37:13 <Sleepybear> nope
May 17 07:37:17 <Sleepybear> this is App dev channel
May 17 07:37:20 <Sleepybear> try #android-root
May 17 07:37:25 <jluw9o> what is kernel dev
May 17 07:37:32 <jluw9o> this is android channel
May 17 07:37:33 <DanWard> cheers
May 17 07:37:56 <Sleepybear> lol
May 17 07:38:01 <Sleepybear> android runs on a linux kernel
May 17 07:38:42 <jenue> hi all. how do i install repo tool?
May 17 07:39:00 <Sleepybear> there's a guide on d.android.com for that
May 17 07:39:19 <Sleepybear> I could never get repo to work on windows
May 17 07:39:21 <Ge0rG> ,oO( "there is an app for that" )
May 17 07:40:10 <readme> Sleepybear: really? hold on, let me give you repo.exe.
May 17 07:40:52 <Sleepybear> oh, I have repo.exe somewhere
May 17 07:40:58 <Sleepybear> but it just wouldn't sync
May 17 07:41:09 <Sleepybear> actually, I think it's repo.bat
May 17 07:41:38 <readme> i was joking, i can't use windows. i had a free msdn account someone gave me and access to all the microsoft tools. so I had installed 7 for a bit, I kind of liked it.
May 17 07:42:01 <readme> then one day some malware awoke on my computer and totally blew it up, even hiding directories from me at the kernel level
May 17 07:42:10 <Sleepybear> lol
May 17 07:42:11 <Sleepybear> wtf
May 17 07:42:11 <readme> told me I had to pay to get my files back
May 17 07:42:18 <readme> I was like oh no, all my projects :(
May 17 07:42:27 <Sleepybear> what kind of porn are you watching?
May 17 07:42:27 <readme> of course, they were in git, but so many would have to be checked out
May 17 07:42:30 <readme> and specs weren't in git
May 17 07:42:33 <jenue> Sleepybear: im tring to set up the build environment for AOSP. I did follow the steps from source.android.com/source and i'm stuck on the repo thing
May 17 07:42:41 <readme> actually I'm pretty sure I got the virus by playing a file in WMP and it buffer overflowed it
May 17 07:42:54 <readme> funny you should mention that
May 17 07:42:59 <DanWard> i need some software help :/
May 17 07:43:21 <readme> after I booted linux I could get all my files again, because it was a filesystem driver trick, not actual deletion of my files or anything.
May 17 07:43:27 <jluw9o> repo what
May 17 07:43:41 <jenue> its a command line tool
May 17 07:44:18 <Sleepybear> I think you just need to do repo init
May 17 07:44:20 <Sleepybear> repo sync
May 17 07:44:23 <jenue> im on the section "Initializing a Repo client"
May 17 07:45:15 <jenue> yes but i get repo: command not found =(
May 17 07:45:25 <Sleepybear> lol
May 17 07:45:27 <Sleepybear> l2Path
May 17 07:45:35 <Leeds> this is not the right channel for AOSP compilation stuff
May 17 07:46:07 <Leeds> in theory, #android is, but it's very rarely discussed there - the right place is probably one of the mailing lists/gooooogle-grooooups
May 17 07:46:08 <jenue> Leeds: may i know the right channel?
May 17 07:48:20 <jenue> mailing list will take time to respond. I think this channel is fine since im planning to develop an android app. I was just trying to checkout the android project source for reference
May 17 07:48:23 <ddreamer0> how can i compile ONLY my current project? i have the impression eclipse is compiling all my projects, even the "closed" ones
May 17 07:48:51 <Sleepybear> I answered that earlier
May 17 07:48:55 <jluw9o> are .java files written by hand ?
May 17 07:48:57 <alankila> jenue: so give a path to the repo program. make a directory called ~/bin then move it there, then log in again. Chances are your PATH will contain ~/bin
May 17 07:49:01 <Sleepybear> it doesn't compile closed projects
May 17 07:49:41 <Sleepybear> jluw9o most are, some are generated
May 17 07:50:00 * alankila wishes the glsl compilation issue would get solved one of these years...
May 17 07:50:04 <jenue> alankila: thanks. I think i don't have repo installed because there's nothing when i issue command  whereis repo
May 17 07:50:10 <alankila> I've been unable to build cyanogenmod for some time
May 17 07:50:20 <alankila> jenue: then you fail at reading instructions. Go get the program.
May 17 07:50:21 <Leeds> jenue: you might not want to take that as a suggestion
May 17 07:50:40 <jenue> alankila: lol.... ok let me try again
May 17 07:50:46 <Leeds> "this is the wrong channel for your discussion. Take it elsewhee"
May 17 07:51:48 <jluw9o> a 10KB .java soure file is like 10 hrs of garbage
May 17 07:51:54 <jluw9o> how big r 5MB games
May 17 07:52:14 <Sleepybear> wtf?
May 17 07:52:15 <readme> jenue: I sent you a PM about your last remark.
May 17 07:52:20 <Sleepybear> 5MB games are... 5MB?
May 17 07:52:36 <readme> jluw9o: the bulk of space taken up in a game is not going to be code, but just graphics and stuff.
May 17 07:52:51 <svchost> so anyone know anything about unity3d? im just wondering if it could be efficient in making 2d games, or if its going to use a lot of unnecessary resources and be as battery/power sucking as a 3d game?
May 17 07:52:56 <parco> do you guys know craigslist?
May 17 07:53:07 <Leeds> jluw9o: you're trolling us now, right?
May 17 07:53:10 <Sleepybear> I hear he's a sleezeball
May 17 07:53:20 <parco> well you should meet his cousin
May 17 07:53:25 <parco> http://www.dirtycraig.com
May 17 07:53:33 <Sleepybear> Angie?
May 17 07:53:40 <parco> haha
May 17 07:53:41 * Sleepybear is so not clicking that
May 17 07:53:53 <parco> i dont blame you
May 17 07:53:56 <b1n0ry> well, all, thanks for putting up with my newbishness. i'm off to bed :)
May 17 07:54:00 <Leeds> parco: welcome to #android-dev - wtf makes you think that's on-topic?
May 17 07:54:24 <parco> Leeds, thank you for welcoming me, it is on-topic because...
May 17 07:54:56 <readme> svchost: i've heard people use unity for 2d games as well
May 17 07:55:03 <readme> I tried someone's unity2d game before and it works well
May 17 07:55:11 <readme> er, unity3d
May 17 07:55:24 <jluw9o> asdfsadf
May 17 07:55:34 <jluw9o> bored of running sample projects
May 17 07:55:45 <jluw9o> how to run other project source codes from internet
May 17 07:55:48 <svchost> yeah, i know they have toolkits to make it easy.. i just wanted to see if anyone knew if it was or wasnt going to be super battery sucking/power using because the engine is designed for 3d
May 17 07:56:13 <Sleepybear> step 1 - download
May 17 07:56:20 <Sleepybear> step 2 - build
May 17 07:56:25 <ddreamer0> Sleepybear ok got it, hadn't seen it before, thanks!
May 17 07:56:26 <Sleepybear> step 3 - ?????
May 17 07:56:31 <Sleepybear> step 4 - Profit!
May 17 07:56:49 <pragma-> I'm stuck at step 3
May 17 07:56:58 <Sleepybear> That's the toughest one -_-
May 17 07:58:32 <blue_pearl> hi, i have almost finished building my android app, now i am thinking of publishing it.what i want to know is that shhould i sign all my apps with the same distribution key while exporting as apk?
May 17 07:59:08 <readme> blue_pearl: the disadvantage to that is if you want to say, sell your app to someone else to distribute, you need to give them that key.
May 17 07:59:26 <readme> but otherwise it's fine
May 17 07:59:39 <Sleepybear> don't they run under the same user if you use the same key
May 17 07:59:48 <Sleepybear> so you can like, access your other apps shit
May 17 07:59:58 <readme> that would count as an advantage
May 17 08:00:05 <Leeds> not unless you explicitly ask them to in your manifest
May 17 08:00:20 <JakeWharton> Sleepybear: yes
May 17 08:00:21 <Leeds> advantage would be not having to manage multiple keys :)
May 17 08:01:41 <Sleepybear> I am currently watching The Grey
May 17 08:01:49 <Sleepybear> Liam Neilson is a badass.
May 17 08:01:58 <readme> ah I wanted to see that
May 17 08:02:07 <blue_pearl> readme, Leeds , thanx
May 17 08:04:29 <g00s> if you are going to i/o http://phandroid.com/2012/05/16/google-io-sessions-calendar-now-available-start-planning-now/
May 17 08:04:56 <JakeWharton> already made my schedule
May 17 08:05:09 <Sleepybear> I wish :(
May 17 08:05:10 <JakeWharton> site works like shit on mobile
May 17 08:05:19 <JakeWharton> both native browser and chrome beta
May 17 08:05:24 <JakeWharton> had to wait until i got back to work to make it
May 17 08:05:32 <JakeWharton> lack of GWT sessions is :((((
May 17 08:05:39 <JakeWharton> Android stuff doesn't look too hot either
May 17 08:05:43 <JakeWharton> Day 2 is decent
May 17 08:05:50 <JakeWharton> 1 and 3 are weak
May 17 08:08:12 <g00s> i am very interested in this one "Multi-Versioning Android User Interfaces"
May 17 08:08:20 <JakeWharton>  what up ERings
May 17 08:09:00 <g00s> presented by null null, Adam Powell
May 17 08:09:09 <g00s> i thought null null did a great job last year also
May 17 08:10:18 <readme> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3900224
May 17 08:10:37 <g00s> ha
May 17 08:11:17 <Sleepybear> ha
May 17 08:11:22 <Sleepybear> my friend showed me that a while ago
May 17 08:11:29 <g00s> "Google Music device authorization limit could cause headaches for ROM lovers" ruh roh
May 17 08:11:37 <Sleepybear> heh
May 17 08:11:41 <Sleepybear> saw that one earlier too
May 17 08:12:05 <Sleepybear> it's more the device de-authorization limit
May 17 08:12:25 <Sleepybear> only let you turn 4 off in a year
May 17 08:13:12 <Sleepybear> ok, time for this guy to pass the fuck out
May 17 08:13:14 <JakeWharton> fuck null null
May 17 08:13:18 <Sleepybear> cheers mates
May 17 08:13:18 <JakeWharton> Adam Powell is the shit
May 17 08:13:34 <readme> bye
May 17 08:13:48 <g00s> gnight
May 17 08:14:00 <g00s> Sleepybear is Sleepy
May 17 08:14:06 <Sleepybear> z.z
May 17 08:32:01 <ddreamer0> does anyone know the gallery tutorial ?
May 17 08:32:05 <ddreamer0> http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-gallery.html
May 17 08:32:32 <ddreamer0> i'm having problems because of how it styles, i've followed several solutions but none works
May 17 08:37:46 <g00s> JakeWharton: just, a little too late for your presentation http://willemmulder.github.com/Presenteer.js/
May 17 08:38:12 <JakeWharton> g00s: doesn't hold a candle to impress.js
May 17 08:38:27 <JakeWharton> http://bartaz.github.com/impress.js/
May 17 08:39:14 <g00s> cool
May 17 08:39:25 <g00s> is this what you wound up using ?
May 17 08:39:37 <JakeWharton> unfortunately not
May 17 08:39:53 <JakeWharton> I started to, but reverted to Keynote
May 17 08:41:09 <JakeWharton> next time, when i'm not scrambling to finish
May 17 08:41:39 <g00s> i'm going to be seriously bummed if the new MBPs don't have an ethernet port
May 17 08:48:04 <p_l> g00s: don't worry, they'll support AppleTalk 2.0 over Thunderbolt ;)
May 17 08:48:43 <bsilwal> Android Vs Iphone Tweet Race : http://screencast.com/t/ZmyDmww0
May 17 08:49:13 <g00s> p_l: they will probably want to sell me some dumbass usb to ethernet converter
May 17 08:49:31 <bsilwal> Any recommended blog post on layouts and UI ?
May 17 08:50:24 <g00s> bsilwal: here is one http://www.androidpatterns.com/
May 17 08:50:45 <p_l> g00s: because no one uses wired ethernet, just like no one uses analog MIC-IN anymore, right? :P
May 17 08:51:09 <g00s> i always prefer wired internet :|
May 17 08:51:23 <g00s> i mean, if there is a place to put the wire XD
May 17 08:51:56 <bsilwal> cheers g00s
May 17 09:08:46 <zzattack2> anything similar to ArrayAdapter that takes a dictionary?
May 17 09:12:40 <readme> no & please use correct terms. don't expect us to guess what a dictionary is.
May 17 09:13:11 <readme> I assume you mean a HashMap, though
May 17 09:14:04 <DashCC> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/util/Dictionary.html
May 17 09:14:08 <DashCC> valid term
May 17 09:17:15 <JakeWharton> extend BaseAdapter
May 17 09:17:18 <JakeWharton> write it yourself
May 17 09:17:34 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/view/List14.html
May 17 09:17:47 <theneb> I'm testing a market application and I'm getting a response code LICENSED when I've got the google play market set as sending NOT_LICENSED.
May 17 09:20:28 <theneb> Unless the google servers just havne't updated with an additional license test response email to be added
May 17 09:29:09 <readme> DashCC: wrong documentation
May 17 09:29:14 <readme> DashCC: is that even in Android?
May 17 09:30:00 <readme> I'll be damned
May 17 09:30:04 <DashCC> :)
May 17 09:30:10 <readme> well, the answer is still no
May 17 09:30:26 <DashCC> if you say so
May 17 09:30:38 <p_l> readme: HashMap assumes specific implementation of "Map"
May 17 09:30:47 <readme> p_l: i know
May 17 09:31:15 <readme> DashCC: Do not use this class since it is obsolete. Please use the Map interface for new implementations.
May 17 09:31:39 <readme> python has a dictionary
May 17 09:31:52 <readme> my point is that this term is out of use and not relevant to the techniques used in android development now.
May 17 09:31:53 <DashCC> readme: never used dictionaries
May 17 09:31:56 <DashCC> probably never will
May 17 09:32:57 <readme> Hashtable is useless too, last I checked it was synchronized quite poorly
May 17 09:34:51 <p_l> Hashtable is synchronized, HashMap isn't
May 17 09:35:02 <readme> ConcurrentHashMap, p_l
May 17 09:35:18 <p_l> readme: just pointing out the difference. I know about ConcurrentHashMap-
May 17 09:35:20 <readme> HashMap also at least throws an exception when it's modified during iteration
May 17 09:35:29 <p_l> readme: that's Hashtable
May 17 09:35:59 <readme> nah, hashmap
May 17 09:36:06 <readme> see the doc
May 17 09:36:15 <readme> The Iterator created by calling the iterator method may throw a ConcurrentModificationException if the map is structurally changed while an iterator is used to iterate over the elements.
May 17 09:36:22 <readme> Hashtable doesn't do that, afaik
May 17 09:36:32 <p_l> hmm.. both do that
May 17 09:36:43 <readme> then what was it that was bad about Hashtable
May 17 09:37:08 <p_l> readme: dunno, not accepting null values nor null keys?
May 17 09:37:20 <p_l> being synchronized slowing it down?
May 17 09:37:34 * p_l isn't a great java programmer
May 17 09:41:01 <readme> retreival operations on ConcurrentHashMap don't lock the map, and there is no support for locking the entire table in a way that prevents all access
May 17 09:41:14 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/concurrent/ConcurrentHashMap.html
May 17 09:41:39 <readme> i'm having flashbacks of looking at Hashtable now..
May 17 09:48:35 <alankila> the problem with synchronizing the hashtable was that it was unnecessary as no real programs seemed to benefit from it... they had to synchronize at some higher level anyway
May 17 09:49:10 <alankila> for instance, imagine a piece of code that moves a key and value from one hashtable to another -- you need to synchronize at level higher at either of those objects to actually accomplish consistent worldview to other threads
May 17 09:49:40 <alankila> so synchronizing primitives was a mistake
May 17 09:50:41 <p_l> immutable TreeMap (with content sharing) can work better in concurrent case anyway... ecept that's not so useful on Android which promotes non-consing code heavily
May 17 09:50:43 <alankila> I'd only want to see deprecation marks all over the old container types. There are still places where the library wants you to use a StringBuilder for instance
May 17 09:51:02 <alankila> and there's probably places that use vector and hashtable too
May 17 09:51:58 <alankila> hmm was it stringbuffer that was actually the synchronized one
May 17 09:52:17 <alankila> damnit, it's hard to remember, I abbreviate both to SB in my head and consequently never have any idea which was which
May 17 09:54:19 <readme> i distinctly remember using Hashtable once when I was new to android
May 17 09:54:28 <readme> and wondering why my program was getting stuck
May 17 09:54:34 <readme> then reading about ConcurrentHashMap
May 17 09:54:35 <readme> and fixing it
May 17 09:54:57 * pragma- prefers to manually synchronize.
May 17 09:55:21 <amad27k1> Hi any one know that how my broadcast receiver is called with invoking it from activity,..means on application install
May 17 09:55:44 <amad27k1> Hi any one know that how my broadcast receiver is called with invoking it from activity,..means on application install
May 17 09:55:50 <g00s> yeah, the Format classes use StringBuilder
May 17 09:55:52 <pragma-> amad27k1: please learn you an english and try again.
May 17 09:56:25 <amad27k1> prgma: have you understand my question?
May 17 09:58:15 <amad27k1> How can broadcast receiver starts without invoking it from activity class?
May 17 09:58:31 <amad27k1> How can broadcast receiver starts without invoking it from activity class?
May 17 09:58:37 <readme> by putting it in your manifest
May 17 09:58:39 <readme> by putting it in your manifest
May 17 09:58:43 <g00s> :)
May 17 09:58:44 <amad27k1> how ?
May 17 09:58:44 <g00s> :)
May 17 09:59:46 <amad27k1> mean how onRecieve methond is call on application install, not calling from the activity
May 17 10:00:02 <amad27k1> mean how onRecieve method is call on application install, not calling from the activity
May 17 10:00:44 <readme> what broadcast are you trying to receive
May 17 10:01:15 <amad27k1> means when my application is install then my onRecieve method is call
May 17 10:01:40 <SimonVT> Can't do that
May 17 10:02:10 <pragma-> you can't detect your own install, but you could set a flag on first run
May 17 10:02:41 <pragma-> recent android versions don't even register receivers until first run
May 17 10:06:42 <pragma-> Dragonborn: You have to register with freenode to be able to speak in this channel.
May 17 10:06:56 <pragma-> Dragonborn: I'm flattered that you think I'm an op or staff here, but I'm not.
May 17 10:09:20 <lordboyar> Hi
May 17 10:09:42 <g00s> i read that as lordbooyah
May 17 10:09:50 <g00s> :)
May 17 10:12:50 <p_l> I read that as department of redundancy department
May 17 10:19:44 <karahana> hello
May 17 10:20:08 * readme is writing binary trees to refresh his memory
May 17 10:20:42 <Storm2010> ?
May 17 10:20:44 <Storm2010> random
May 17 10:21:01 <karahana> I got some problems with sqlite. Been battling with this problem for 2 days now, I've read tons of stuff on google and tried everything.
May 17 10:21:18 * readme waits for the punchline
May 17 10:21:27 <karahana> the thing is that when I create a database, I can insert ONE row into that database, then nothing happens when I try to insert the rest
May 17 10:21:31 <karahana> I can still read from it
May 17 10:21:38 <karahana> but only one entry
May 17 10:21:50 <readme> are you doing something unusual?
May 17 10:21:50 <karahana> and I get no exeptions what so ever, logcat is empty
May 17 10:21:58 <g00s> karahana: sounds like a uniqueness constraint is being violated
May 17 10:22:04 <karahana> no, just a simple table
May 17 10:22:19 <karahana> 			  db.execSQL("CREATE TABLE ipBank (_id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, ipname TEXT, ipaddr TEXT, categ INTEGER)");
May 17 10:22:22 <karahana> thats the table
May 17 10:22:39 <karahana> and I insert with a different id each time, 1, 2, 3 and so on
May 17 10:22:45 <karahana> really wierd problem
May 17 10:22:54 <readme> you should just make the _id AUTOINCREMENT
May 17 10:22:59 <readme> and not insert it yourself
May 17 10:23:21 <karahana> I've been working alot with db's before (mysql and oracle) but never had this problem hehe
May 17 10:23:38 <karahana> I had it autoincrement before, same problem, removed it and started inserting ids myself just to try it
May 17 10:23:59 <g00s> karahana: what if you try it using the sqlite command line ?
May 17 10:24:03 <g00s> even on your pc
May 17 10:24:11 <readme> you must have something messed up
May 17 10:24:31 <karahana> readme: ofc I do =) otherwise it would be working hehe, but the question is what
May 17 10:24:42 <karahana> g00s: how do I open the db on the virtual device with it
May 17 10:24:50 <g00s> use the sqlite3 command
May 17 10:25:02 <g00s> it might be in some /bin directory or something
May 17 10:25:09 <g00s> (not in your path)
May 17 10:29:53 <g00s> karahana: oh, i hope you put a ';' at the end of that statement btw ;)
May 17 10:30:36 <g00s> not that you foobared your first attempt, and then tried different things - which weren't different because that statement never took
May 17 10:31:55 <g00s> whenever i look at the code for my content provider, i want to barf
May 17 10:32:05 <g00s> and its done very well
May 17 10:32:41 <ClockworkAnt> Morning Android Dev
May 17 10:33:19 <ClockworkAnt> is there a good way to use a mapview in a fragment besides the hacker here http://stackoverflow.com/a/10041252/183091 which involves creating a hacked up lib
May 17 10:34:03 <karahana> gah, seems the entries were all in the db
May 17 10:34:04 <Dahliz91> ClockworkAnt: I don't think there are any other way. I choosed to use the web api instead for my app
May 17 10:34:31 <karahana> ty guys =) much easier now that I managed to open the db =)
May 17 10:34:38 <g00s> karahana: so you may as well leave it as autoincrement
May 17 10:34:43 <ClockworkAnt> Dahliz91, interesting solution is it clunky? and may I see the app (link to play store etc)
May 17 10:34:54 <karahana> g00s: yes ofc
May 17 10:35:30 <Dahliz91> ClockworkAnt: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.hrf.schystavillkor
May 17 10:35:31 <g00s> ClockworkAnt: i think the iosched app uses the map view also
May 17 10:35:41 <anees_> hi, can anyone please help me with this question? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10633784/issues-while-adding-an-ndk-application-to-android-source
May 17 10:35:43 <Dahliz91> But it's only available in swedish
May 17 10:35:52 <g00s> err, i mean the map in web view
May 17 10:36:22 <ClockworkAnt> no problem about the sweedish i'll guess my way through the interface =)
May 17 10:36:42 <ClockworkAnt> Im not sure i'll be able to use the webview as I need custom overflays
May 17 10:37:05 <Dahliz91> ClockworkAnt: http://pastie.org/3924859 If to any help
May 17 10:37:30 <drwho> Hi, I am trying to start a browser with a url in a onTouch function and I keep getting nullpointerexception with the function startActivity. Has anyone run into a similar problem?
May 17 10:38:50 <Dahliz91> ClockworkAnt: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/overlays#CustomOverlays
May 17 10:38:53 <ClockworkAnt> Dragonborg, I dont think goatse is a sweedish translator, please dont private message me without permission
May 17 10:39:17 <ClockworkAnt> Dahliz91, thank you, this has given me alot to think about =)
May 17 10:39:27 <Dahliz91> Must go but goodluck
May 17 10:39:50 <readme> haha
May 17 10:40:41 <drwho> hm I guess this might be null but I have no clue why.. Intent myIntent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW, Uri.parse("http://www.google.com"));
May 17 10:41:09 <bsilwal> all dont trust Dragonborg he is sending me some nasty links in IM
May 17 10:44:58 <`z> bsilwal, of?
May 17 10:45:11 <`z> CP?
May 17 10:47:32 <g00s> yeah, Dragonborg is being an ass
May 17 10:48:36 <bsilwal> I am at work its so disturbing (puke)
May 17 10:49:07 <readme> good i hope your boss sees it lol
May 17 10:50:51 <bsilwal> readme: are you Dragonborg ?
May 17 10:58:08 <readme> http://tinyurl.com/79rg9ku
May 17 10:59:11 <readme> so far I've written 8 different ways to print the elements of my binary tree.
May 17 10:59:19 <readme> all recursive..
May 17 10:59:23 <readme> need to find more
May 17 11:07:10 <ddreamer0> has anyone sucessfully run the Gallery sample (HelloGallery) ?
May 17 11:07:22 <ddreamer0> http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-gallery.html
May 17 11:07:30 <ddreamer0> i think it's broken because of the styles
May 17 11:12:00 <ceti331_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/synergyandroid/develop
May 17 11:12:04 <ceti331_> interesting
May 17 11:12:17 <readme> ceti331_: awesome
May 17 11:13:13 <ceti331_> i've no experience of android - it says is needs a rooted phone ?
May 17 11:13:35 <readme> yes, but here is not the place to discuss that
May 17 11:13:56 <readme> anyway root is easy on most phones. just google
May 17 11:16:49 <ceti331_> rootinh has risks though, waranty voiding ?
May 17 11:20:03 <readme> no one will figure out you rooted if you are careful.
May 17 11:20:43 <readme> I can restore my phone back to factory settings, and I've rooted my original rom, installed safestrap, and ice cream sandwich, and I can switch between them :)
May 17 11:22:22 <ceti331_> ok
May 17 11:23:09 <ceti331_> hdmi out: what do you see prgramaticaly ? do you get dul screens or is the OS in control of what happens
May 17 11:24:48 <p_l> ceti331_: OS-dependant
May 17 11:25:03 <p_l> usually screen is mirrored
May 17 11:26:00 <ceti331_> ok. answer i was hoping for was 'apps can use hanset for different controls, and visuals on the big screen'
May 17 11:26:56 <p_l> ceti331_: there's no official support for mutiple screens outside Kyocera's
May 17 11:27:16 <ceti331_> ok thanks for the info
May 17 11:27:49 <ceti331_> i'd hope at least mirroring would have treated it as 1920x1080 downscaled to phone
May 17 11:28:07 <ceti331_> but that seems unlikely
May 17 11:28:10 <p_l> ceti331_: I'm not sure if most of the video-out capable devices even have multihead in hardware
May 17 11:28:26 <p_l> outside of let's say, "video stream from codec to HDMI"
May 17 11:28:47 <ceti331_> right, video specil case i was about to say
May 17 11:38:25 <readme> i've got synergy compiled and working here
May 17 11:38:29 <readme> :)
May 17 11:38:34 <readme> I'm going to add some features.
May 17 11:43:35 <ceti331_> cool
May 17 11:45:17 <ceti331_> whats going through my mind is, i'm very tempted by an HTC one X .. but as a phone its overkill, but I want to tinker programming such a thing, if it could be docked and partake in my "command-centre" driving a monitor and/or being controlled by main keyboard/mouse it would be a lot more usefull. (e.g. leave a web brower open and have it clipped under my main monitor or whatever)
May 17 11:47:16 <mcfoi> Hi folks!
May 17 11:47:50 <mcfoi> Anyone skilled with custom camera app, intent-filters
May 17 11:47:59 <mcfoi> and returnin data?
May 17 11:48:21 <mcfoi> Need to fix a small bug.. ..but a bit hopeless!
May 17 11:50:10 <sprockeeking> Hi .. is there any way i can trigger an incoming call on an actual device, using 'adb'?
May 17 11:50:57 <readme> afaik, no, I use twilio for that
May 17 11:52:38 <sprockeeking> oh thats nice ... that means theres a way to do it ... i actually hav a galaxy nexus device ... and i want to test my code on it and how it behaves when a call comes in ... i'll look into twilio!
May 17 11:52:39 <mcfoi> My problem is on outputStream = getContentResolver.openOutputStream(mySaveUri);
May 17 11:56:42 <sprockeeking> @readme, the problem is my galaxy nexus is locked to DOCOMO japan and i am not in japan right now, so the device is not connected to the network ...
May 17 11:57:59 <drwho> wow I just had to pass the context from my custom ArrayAdapter to my custom View.OnClickListener lol
May 17 11:59:12 <mcfoi> I'm buildin a very easy vamera app..
May 17 11:59:23 <mcfoi> I'm buildin a very easy camera app..
May 17 11:59:37 <mcfoi> I need it to be pluggable in other apps..
May 17 11:59:53 <mcfoi> .. my intent-filters are OK
May 17 12:00:07 <mcfoi> the app is "seen" by other apps (as Catch) requiring for CAMERA_INTENT
May 17 12:00:30 <mcfoi> my problem is returning the data to the caller application
May 17 12:00:54 <mcfoi> I set up a PictureCallback object
May 17 12:01:13 <mcfoi> that is overriding the usual onPictureTaken method
May 17 12:01:30 <mcfoi> now.. ..I foud some code suggesting to use an OututStream to return the data
May 17 12:01:42 <mcfoi> (I intended an 'OutputStream')
May 17 12:02:04 <mcfoi> but I cannot figure out where to put the code.
May 17 12:04:53 <mcfoi> Can anyone suggest me any way out?
May 17 12:08:54 <mcfoi> Can anyone hel with a custom camera app development?
May 17 12:09:00 <mcfoi> Can anyone help with a custom camera app development?
May 17 12:18:28 <j0p> hello. i have problem debugging with eclipse using a samsung gs2. i tryed both google usb drivers and the ones with the latest kies. it's seen by eclipse, the debug starts but then it goes offline. sometimes i get a bsod too....any ideas please ?
May 17 12:19:10 <j0p> its a pc with win7 64 recently installed
May 17 12:21:01 <mcfoi> Did you check the cable? (sorry for the sissy answer)
May 17 12:21:12 <Dahliz91> j0p: So it works but then crash?
May 17 12:21:22 <j0p> it seems working...its the one bundled with the phone
May 17 12:21:32 <j0p> Dahliz91 : exactly
May 17 12:21:42 <j0p> or no crash but stops working
May 17 12:21:53 <j0p> then i replug and it works for some seconds
May 17 12:22:21 <j0p> it seems like i'm not the only one with this problem but i can't find a solution on forums
May 17 12:23:33 <Dahliz91> I have had problems when i ran the stock OS but that was solved when changing to CM. So I don't know.
May 17 12:24:08 <j0p> i see
May 17 12:24:19 <j0p> thank you..at least i know it should be a software problem
May 17 12:32:09 <mcfoi> Any intent-filter guru around?
May 17 12:35:22 <ClockworkAnt> in a listFragment which lifecycle method should you attach the adapter? in onCreateView or onstart?
May 17 12:36:55 <wongk> the one which you need to debug
May 17 12:43:29 <cketti> ClockworkAnt: https://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/app/FragmentListArray.html
May 17 12:52:46 <sundayandr> I load a Bitmap (size 75x75px) from resources. When I call bm.getWidth() i get the 113? How can I set real size of image without scaling? may be some flag...
May 17 12:56:11 <Jug6ernaut> any easy way to change actionbarsherlocks accent color?
May 17 13:09:38 <theneb> I've uploaded my APK onto Google Play and set it as a paid application, running the release APK on a dev device is returning as LICENSED from LVL. (Not using test account). Will this change with a downloaded APK from the Google Play Market or is something not working?
May 17 13:11:54 <ashley_w> are there emulator images or a remote test lab for HTC devices like motorola and samsung have?
May 17 13:12:57 <p_l> ashley_w: there are commercial remote labs
May 17 13:13:25 <ashley_w> well, this is an open source project, so we aren't going to pay for that.
May 17 13:16:58 <ashley_w> we have a report that the action overflow button (menu) is not showing up on an htc one v
May 17 13:19:15 <mgj> I have a service. I would like that service to be "running" (started) forever. It doesnt do anything but maintain its own state if its not bound. Where would it be appropriate to call startService() ?
May 17 13:20:03 <mgj> I could do it in onCreate() but thats not very nice i think
May 17 13:21:43 <wongk> mgj: I would subclass Application and do it in onCreate
May 17 13:22:47 <mgj> that sounds like a good idea. I saw someone talking about subscribing to ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETE and starting the service there, but that is much too agressive for what i really need
May 17 13:22:49 <mgj> thanks
May 17 13:55:35 <vekexasia> JakeWharton: ping
May 17 13:59:50 <vekexasia> Guys should i rewrite the tabwidget with my own tabwidget if i want to have plenty space for both icon + text?
May 17 14:01:31 <king_jester> vekexasia: no, you can provide your own custom layout for the tabs
May 17 14:01:48 <king_jester> see TabSpec.setIndicator()
May 17 14:01:55 <vekexasia> well i didn't know that.. Cause the problem is that using .setIndicator
May 17 14:02:20 <vekexasia> and specifying both the "title" and the drawable doesn't show the drawable... But as far as my memory reminds this was working
May 17 14:02:21 <vekexasia> lol
May 17 14:02:45 <ocx> hello i am calling a service from an activity, the service is tryign to open the sqlite db to retreive and update info , i am getting a nullpointer exception when the activity is calling the intenet service
May 17 14:02:47 <ocx> any ideas why
May 17 14:02:49 <king_jester> that's weird, it should work
May 17 14:03:10 <vekexasia> mTabHost.newTabSpec("ASD").setIndicator(null, getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.ic_ab_share)), => shows the drawable
May 17 14:03:10 <king_jester> is it like that all different OS's, like ICS versus Gingerbread?
May 17 14:03:28 <vekexasia> mTabHost.newTabSpec("ASD2").setIndicator("LALL2", getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.ic_ab_star_on)),
May 17 14:03:31 <vekexasia> doesnt :P
May 17 14:03:55 <vekexasia> i'm going to try this
May 17 14:04:03 <vekexasia> with a gingerbread emulator
May 17 14:05:03 <ocx> java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start service com.my.test.UpdaterService@412b6698 with Intent { cmp=com.my.test/.UpdaterService }: java.lang.NullPointerException
May 17 14:05:09 <ocx> this is the error i am getting
May 17 14:05:17 <vekexasia> it looks like your service code is bugged
May 17 14:05:29 <ocx> if i use Tags it works
May 17 14:05:37 <vekexasia> king_jester: do you think the "issue" is only on ICS?
May 17 14:06:21 <ocx> you can create a thread from a service right?
May 17 14:06:27 <vekexasia> yes ocx
May 17 14:06:31 <vekexasia> lol king_jester
May 17 14:06:40 <vekexasia> in gingerbread everything works :) lol
May 17 14:06:41 <king_jester> vekexasia: it's possible, but if its not working on either OS level then you can conclude there's probably an issue with your tab setup
May 17 14:06:51 <king_jester> ah strange
May 17 14:07:09 <vekexasia> ok i'll write my own fully compatible view :) LOL
May 17 14:07:18 <vekexasia> any idea where to find the "standard" layout ?
May 17 14:07:22 <vekexasia> or the name?
May 17 14:16:21 <king_jester> vekexasia: R.styleable.TabWidget_tabLayout is what is referred to in the TabHost source
May 17 14:16:29 <king_jester> that would be a good starting point
May 17 14:16:40 <vekexasia> thanks king_jester :)
May 17 14:16:47 <king_jester> either way, a basic tab is really just a vertical LinearLayout with an ImageView and TextView lol
May 17 14:16:55 <king_jester> np
May 17 14:17:57 <everythingWorks> the bro code o.o
May 17 14:17:58 <everythingWorks> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.engrave.the_bro_code&feature=search_result
May 17 14:18:23 <zzattack> can I have a EditTextPreference field that automatically shows its current value as its summary?
May 17 14:20:10 <mgj> everythingWorks, lol, nice. Yours?
May 17 14:25:31 <belgianguy> anyone else had problems importing Android projects into Eclipse?
May 17 14:25:50 <belgianguy> even after the 'automagic' Android Tools > Fix project properties
May 17 14:26:11 <belgianguy> neither the source nor the resources are imported :/
May 17 14:26:37 <belgianguy> (I followed the directions on android.developer.com)
May 17 14:27:16 <TheTrash> I've had some problems with different sdk tools versions.
May 17 14:27:21 <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi. I'm using AsyncTask to do something in the background. In the end I have a result (which I pass on in the normal way to onPostExecute), but also a different value I'd like to access in onPostExecute too. What would be the best method for this?
May 17 14:27:22 <TheTrash> Some of them were quite hard to fix.
May 17 14:27:43 <TheTrash> Kopfgeldjaeger: where is that value coming from?
May 17 14:27:59 <TheTrash> Easiest pattern is a small class that has both values and use that as the return type, I guess.
May 17 14:28:15 <vekexasia> kiddinjo: R.styleable.TabWidget_tabLayout is internal. Cant use it
May 17 14:28:16 <TheTrash> Unless it's a static value, in which case you could make it a member of the asynctask and feed it through the constructor.
May 17 14:32:08 <belgianguy> nm I has the dumb
May 17 14:32:12 <Kopfgeldjaeger> TheTrash: I basically download something in doInBackground (the downloaded stuff is my result), but also get some other piece of information while doing so. I think I can just create a private object in my task definiction and access that in onPostExecute
May 17 14:32:16 <belgianguy> do not place those files in the workspace
May 17 14:32:24 <belgianguy> when placed outside; it imported fine
May 17 14:33:33 <ocx> i am having a weird problem, when i am calling from a service getwritabledb to sqlite i am getting a null pointer exception
May 17 14:33:49 <ocx> db = local_db.getWritableDatabase();
May 17 14:35:04 <ocx> can that be called from a service?
May 17 14:35:46 <ocx> onStartCommand() is calling the service constructor and inside the constructor the db is called
May 17 14:36:02 <ocx> is it fine for android to call this way?
May 17 14:36:42 <canadiancow|work> holy balls adt20 preview 2 just scared me
May 17 14:36:45 <canadiancow|work> big dialog popped up
May 17 14:36:48 <canadiancow|work> "auto monitor logcat"
May 17 14:38:34 <ocx> these 20 more.... in logcat how can i maximimze them
May 17 14:39:00 <canadiancow|work> you dont
May 17 14:39:29 <ocx> how can i see them?
May 17 14:39:29 <canadiancow|work> ocx clearly local_db is null
May 17 14:39:31 <canadiancow|work> you cant
May 17 14:40:00 <ocx> local_db = new localDB(this,"/data/data/com.my.test/local.db");
May 17 14:40:09 <ocx> it is getting initialized from the constructor
May 17 14:40:22 <canadiancow|work> ok well go pastebin the stack trace and your code
May 17 14:40:26 <ocx> a line before db = local_db.getWritableDatabase()
May 17 14:40:42 <wongk> unrelated: take the path out of your filename
May 17 14:42:01 <ocx> ok trying that
May 17 14:42:17 <wongk> never hard code paths like that on Android
May 17 14:42:40 <ocx> wongk: actually it only wored with a full path last time i tried it , but it was only 1 class
May 17 14:43:32 <ocx> still same problem
May 17 14:46:09 <wongk> i assume so, which is why i said it was unrelated
May 17 14:46:44 <ocx> this is my code
May 17 14:46:46 <ocx> http://pastebin.com/7sfnwqYm
May 17 14:48:21 <wongk> why do you have a reference to a Context in your database class
May 17 14:48:40 <ocx> and i am calling the whole using this:  startService(new Intent(this, UpdaterService.class)); //
May 17 14:49:34 <ocx> to overwrite the template
May 17 14:49:38 <TheBunny> I have a app I installed on a Fire and it runs fine when launched from the debugger / IDE…. but if I launch it from the Fire, I get an error like Can't Launch App.  Any ideas?
May 17 14:49:53 <TheBunny> Other demo, sample apps have never had this issue.
May 17 14:50:12 <TheBunny> am I some how not in deployment mode?
May 17 14:50:27 <Tsukaza> Does someone know where can I find some Android Icons for applications?
May 17 14:50:29 <SimonVT> You're not in "read logcat" mode
May 17 14:50:38 <wongk> is the service a valid context in the constructor? i thought it was not until onCreate
May 17 14:50:53 <wongk> which is the more appropriate place for this code
May 17 14:51:13 <TheBunny> SimonVT:  and what controls that?
May 17 14:51:20 <SimonVT> :|
May 17 14:51:45 <SimonVT> Srsly?
May 17 14:51:48 <TheBunny> YES
May 17 14:52:08 <ocx> wongk: come again please?
May 17 14:52:10 <SimonVT> adb logcat
May 17 14:52:12 <SimonVT> ddms
May 17 14:52:16 <SimonVT> eclipse's logcat window
May 17 14:52:22 <SimonVT> Find a stack trace
May 17 14:52:22 <SimonVT> Read it
May 17 14:52:27 <SimonVT> Fix it
May 17 14:52:30 <TheBunny> ok
May 17 14:52:38 <TheBunny> but thats not really what Im asking
May 17 14:52:44 <TheBunny> the APP runs FINE in the debugger
May 17 14:52:57 <TheBunny> are suggesting I have actual crash? and Im not seeing it?
May 17 14:53:12 <TheBunny> The failed to launch is instant.
May 17 14:53:27 <TheBunny> Its not a crash warning or anything if they exist.
May 17 14:53:29 <evancharlton> check logcat
May 17 14:54:03 <wongk> SimonVT: evancharlton: is a [Service|Activity] a valid context before onCreate is called?
May 17 14:54:11 <TheBunny> logcat is different from having the debugger hooked up and getting log output in what way?
May 17 14:54:19 <SimonVT> wongk: Not really
May 17 14:54:50 <SimonVT> You can't be sure it's properly initialized
May 17 14:54:52 <wongk> ocx: move the code in your Service constructor to onCreate
May 17 14:54:59 <AlCapwn> If I have a framelayout drawing an imageview on top of an edittext, how can I make sure the imageview is clickable and the edittext cursor doesn't go on top of the image?
May 17 14:55:16 <wongk> generally these types of things are not done in constructors for Conext subcclasses
May 17 14:55:53 <ocx> wongk: : i can also move to onStartCommand() right instead of oncreate()
May 17 14:55:57 <wongk> ocx: also remove the "context" member from your localDB class
May 17 14:56:30 <wongk> ocx: yes
May 17 14:56:45 <TheBunny> anyone?
May 17 14:56:59 <ocx> and remote that this.context = context;
May 17 14:57:09 <TheBunny> the debugger IDE is not calling logcat for me is what you seem to be suggesting.
May 17 14:57:12 <zzattack> I have an application-wide data-sink. This data is parsed, and some Activities need to be updated based on this data. what would be a good design principle to use for this?
May 17 14:57:31 <canadiancow|work> SimonVT someone was looking for you last nihgt
May 17 14:57:37 <canadiancow|work> ocx: name your fields sensibly
May 17 14:57:39 <SimonVT> I bet they were
May 17 14:57:52 <canadiancow|work> and turn on warnings for hiding variables
May 17 14:58:03 <ocx> yes you are right, bad coding habit
May 17 14:58:04 <canadiancow|work> a local variable named the same as a field is bad news bears
May 17 14:58:27 <SimonVT> I saw no highlights when logging on this morning
May 17 14:58:35 <canadiancow|work> lies
May 17 14:58:36 <wongk> ocx: why in the world are you instantiating a new UpdaterService in onStartCommand?!
May 17 14:58:46 <AlCapwn> zzattack: listeners possibly?
May 17 14:59:13 <wongk> this is a red hot mess
May 17 14:59:32 <SimonVT> Maybe I just ignored them.. or irccloud did..
May 17 15:05:00 <ocx> wongk: i am calling fetchData(); from onstartCommand now direcrtly withotu a constructor
May 17 15:05:34 <ocx> moved all data from constructor to fetchdata
May 17 15:06:11 <zzattack> AlCapwn: something like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_pattern
May 17 15:06:54 <wongk> zzattack: that would be the correct pattern for your scenario
May 17 15:07:09 <ocx> wongk: working great
May 17 15:07:11 <ocx> thanks man
May 17 15:07:18 <ocx> cani read about that somewhere?
May 17 15:07:19 <ocx> the context
May 17 15:07:24 <ocx> initialization
May 17 15:07:30 <wongk> d.android.com
May 17 15:08:22 <ocx> ok
May 17 15:08:48 <zzattack> wongk: cool. and i can just use a singleton for the EventSource in that example? or would it be better to extend Application?
May 17 15:08:50 <wongk> zzattack: either have your activities implement a listener interface, or use a non-static subclass implements it
May 17 15:09:29 <wongk> a singelton would be appropriate imo
May 17 15:09:48 <zzattack> does android have a specialized java.util.Observable?
May 17 15:10:04 <zzattack> i'm asking because both you and AlCapwn called it 'listener' instead of observable
May 17 15:10:23 <wongk> observers are called listeners in Android
May 17 15:10:42 <wongk> think of, for instance, onViewClicked
May 17 15:10:58 <zzattack> ah, and that implements something like OnViewClickedListener?
May 17 15:11:05 <wongk> right
May 17 15:11:54 <zzattack> so instead of using something like that java.lang.Observable i jsut define my own interface
May 17 15:12:01 <zzattack> excellent, thanks
May 17 15:12:43 <AlCapwn> zzattack: also, when you store your listeners, wrap them in weakreferences, you don't wanna hold onto your activity after it finishes
May 17 15:13:33 <AlCapwn> Unless you're happy to remove the listener progmatically from your activities
May 17 15:13:42 <wongk> you should unregister in onDestroy
May 17 15:13:54 <wongk> though a weak reference is still not a bad idea
May 17 15:15:47 <Kopfgeldjaeger> can I inflate different layouts in a fragment (after each other, not simultaneously)?
May 17 15:16:06 <mcfoi> Any intent-filter guro around?
May 17 15:16:18 <wongk> sure, but what do you plan to do with those inflated layouts?
May 17 15:16:18 <evancharlton> mcfoi: just ask your question
May 17 15:16:33 <mcfoi> Ok..
May 17 15:16:48 <Leeds> evancharlton: I assumed mcfoi was doing a survey on levels of knowledge of intent-filters in the IRC developer community
May 17 15:16:48 <mcfoi> ..need to understand how to returno frm my custom camera app
May 17 15:17:02 <mcfoi> the image taken
May 17 15:17:10 <mcfoi> to other applications
May 17 15:17:46 <wongk> that actually doesn't relate to intent filters
May 17 15:17:57 <evancharlton> yeah that has nothing to do with intent-filter
May 17 15:17:59 <mcfoi> yes.. .you are right...
May 17 15:18:06 <evancharlton> that's just setResult(int,Intent)
May 17 15:18:17 <mcfoi> ..intent-filters ar yous hald of the "game"
May 17 15:18:30 <evancharlton> ... what?
May 17 15:18:45 <wongk> translate to english please :P
May 17 15:18:47 <mcfoi> ..intent-filters ar just half of the "game"
May 17 15:18:55 <mcfoi> (sorry)
May 17 15:19:11 <evancharlton> they're 0% of this particular game
May 17 15:19:30 <mcfoi> wha do you mean by "just setResult()"
May 17 15:19:50 <evancharlton> I mean "RTFM for setResult(int,Intent)"
May 17 15:20:44 <mcfoi> I have my onPictureTaken method in PictureCallback object
May 17 15:21:19 <mcfoi> Should I code setResult inside it?
May 17 15:26:02 <dzan> is there some way to find out of what this package is a part? import com.android.ex.chips.RecipientEditTextView;
May 17 15:29:26 <john_doe_jr> If you have just a layout folder ..do you have to have a layout-land and land-port folders in order for the screen to switch when a user changes their screen orenitation?
May 17 15:31:14 <f00bar80> I've tried to run a new activity from a gridview , but it's not working correctly, i got the second screen when clicked the first item in the grid, but it's not showing up contents, here's the first main activity http://pastebin.com/xfbsNiGx and this is second activity http://pastebin.com/CzMpFtXS also here's the manifest contents http://pastebin.com/HkxSP6yh
May 17 15:34:17 <wongk> john_doe_jr: no, that's if you want a different layout
May 17 15:36:52 <wongk> f00bar80: have you tried some plain ole HTML for testing?
May 17 15:39:25 <john_doe_jr> wongk-home|2: alright so do I just need a layout folder and not a layout-port folder?
May 17 15:39:45 <wongk> correct
May 17 15:39:49 <canadiancow|work> correct
May 17 15:40:02 <john_doe_jr> well, why have a layout-port folder then?
May 17 15:40:16 <canadiancow|work> becuase you want a different layout in portrait mode?
May 17 15:40:26 <NotJimCarrey> and acer iconia devs in?
May 17 15:41:38 <john_doe_jr> can you use <include> to just copy a bit of code in another layout?
May 17 15:41:43 <canadiancow|work> yes
May 17 15:41:51 <canadiancow|work> thats...exactly what include is for o.o
May 17 15:42:02 <john_doe_jr> canadiancow|work: how?
May 17 15:42:14 <canadiancow|work> <include layout="@layout/my_other_layout"/>
May 17 15:42:17 <canadiancow|work> or something like that
May 17 15:42:45 <canadiancow|work> i prefer to just have a MyCustomView that inflates the layout, and then i do <com.my.app.MyCustomView />
May 17 15:42:57 <canadiancow|work> because it lets me handle other common logic in one place as well as the layout itself
May 17 15:43:04 <NotJimCarrey> or anyone know how to find the mount point for a tablet's external sd?
May 17 15:43:04 <canadiancow|work> but in some cases, all you need is <include />
May 17 15:43:34 <john_doe_jr> canadiancow|work: well, I have another layout that has a table on it but all kinds of other stuff...I just want the table in the other layout to be on this layout
May 17 15:44:44 <wongk> NotJimCarrey: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html
May 17 15:46:09 <EvilPenguin> :/
May 17 15:46:36 <NotJimCarrey> awesome, thanks
May 17 15:49:58 <zzattack> wongk: can u tell me which ui elements were most likely used to obtain this result? http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/7865/menuitemsc.png
May 17 15:51:37 <wongk> LinearLayout and TextView at least
May 17 15:51:43 <wongk> don't know what the slider button is
May 17 15:51:46 <dmalice> seems like ToggleButton + custom drawables
May 17 15:52:18 <dmalice> make your own togglebutton with your own state drawable
May 17 15:52:35 <kwazi> urgh.. can someone clarify something for me? How is it that a 7" tablet at 600x1024 mdpi has 600dp for its smallest width ?
May 17 15:53:15 <dmalice> and then yes, as wongk said, stuff them in a layout with a couple text views and another drawable on the left
May 17 15:53:47 <SimonVT> That's the 600 part of 600x1024
May 17 15:54:10 <f00bar80> wongk, no i didn't , is there something wrong in any of the pasted code above
May 17 15:54:45 <wongk> f00bar80: my suspicion is, whatever is required to embed the youtube player, is not working
May 17 15:54:48 <canadiancow|work> kwazi: lol?
May 17 15:54:59 <canadiancow|work> at mdpi, 1px = 1dp
May 17 15:55:05 <canadiancow|work> in landscape, it's 1024dp wide
May 17 15:55:08 <canadiancow|work> in portrait, it's 600dp wide
May 17 15:55:10 <kwazi> ah shit.. I confused mdpi and hdpi
May 17 15:55:12 <canadiancow|work> so it's smallest width is 600dp
May 17 15:55:16 <kwazi> I was convinced mdpi is 1dp = 1.5px
May 17 15:55:27 <kwazi> but yea, now I remember.. hdpi is 1dp = 1.5px
May 17 15:55:42 <kwazi> man.. my bad :( clearly too early in the morning
May 17 15:56:03 <plaisthos> How do I include a " in a string ressource?
May 17 15:56:11 <kwazi> plaisthos: escape it with \
May 17 15:56:12 <evancharlton> \" or &quot;
May 17 15:56:22 <plaisthos> hm okay
May 17 15:56:29 <plaisthos> then something else is going wrong
May 17 15:57:02 <f00bar80> wongk, i've tried the youtube class alone and it was working
May 17 15:57:32 <Tsukaza> What is the best way to save Configuration for my applications? I Mean a Config file that my app needs to access and retrieve some data that is written there. The File must be able to edit.
May 17 15:57:35 <wongk> f00bar80: but this way you are seeing a blank activity?
May 17 15:58:02 <dmalice> Tsukaza use shared prefs?
May 17 15:58:16 <Tsukaza> Shared Preferences? Ok ill look into it ty
May 17 15:58:24 <f00bar80> wongk, yea with only the header as of the main activity
May 17 15:59:00 <plaisthos> &quot; does not work for my edittextpreference :/
May 17 15:59:11 <wongk> f00bar80: and you don't want to take 30 seconds to try plain HTML to rule it out?
May 17 16:00:30 <EvilPenguin> kwazi: i am not an OP on this server. k, thanks...
May 17 16:01:18 <kwazi> EvilPenguin: huh ? I never msged your or asked you a question...
May 17 16:01:50 <EvilPenguin> kwazi: some users is PM-ing me saying you gave him information. some Dragon person...
May 17 16:02:08 <dmalice> f00bar80 have you tried sticking the full html tags in there? <html><body><iframe ... /> </body></html>?
May 17 16:02:30 <kwazi> EvilPenguin: Dragonborn, he PM'd me saying "What is wrong with you?" --- I simply ignored it. I haven't msged him at all
May 17 16:02:48 <EvilPenguin> kwazi: gotcha :)
May 17 16:02:49 <f00bar80> dmalice, that's all the code i have for the player
May 17 16:04:25 * wongk food
May 17 16:07:56 <dmalice> yes, I understand that f00bar80, i'm saying, just add in the html tags that are there for html data
May 17 16:08:01 <dmalice> so take whatever you have
May 17 16:08:08 <dmalice> and try wrapping it in proper html tags
May 17 16:10:04 <f00bar80> dmalice, doing
May 17 16:11:37 <f00bar80> dmalice, tried and still getting the second activity with blank screen
May 17 16:12:52 <f00bar80> dmalice, here's the complier's log http://pastebin.com/L54B7dwr
May 17 16:15:30 <DragonbornSkyrim> dmalice: Some Penguin guy keep telling me that you said that i was an OP here
May 17 16:18:34 <dmalice> f00bar80, if it's a NPE, it's probably because your intent is null
May 17 16:18:52 <dmalice> and you're trying to start the activity passing in myIntent when it has been set to null outside your if statement
May 17 16:19:49 <DragonbornSkyrim> DAFUQ?
May 17 16:19:52 <DragonbornSkyrim> I AM OP?
May 17 16:19:57 <DragonbornSkyrim> :D :D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D
May 17 16:20:15 <serban> question: what is better for my app(basic webservice search, myaccount, info): changing views in the same activity or using different activities?
May 17 16:20:41 <DragonbornSkyrim> You change views is the better
May 17 16:20:47 <serban> im trying to create a tabbed style menu( i would have used action abr, but i use api level 8 and action bar is from 11)
May 17 16:20:52 <dmalice> the answer is almost always fragments
May 17 16:20:58 <DragonbornSkyrim> Then you have to use fragments
May 17 16:21:02 <DragonbornSkyrim> try google it
May 17 16:21:09 <DragonbornSkyrim> first before asking
May 17 16:21:10 <serban> thanks
May 17 16:22:34 <DragonbornSkyrim> *DEPR*
May 17 16:22:36 <DragonbornSkyrim> test
May 17 16:23:00 <serban> Fragments require API Level 11 or greater
May 17 16:23:06 <dmalice> android compatibility package
May 17 16:24:08 <DragonbornSkyrim> Try install Goatse
May 17 16:24:16 <DragonbornSkyrim> Its a package manager better than android sdk
May 17 16:24:25 <canadiancow|work> holy fuck
May 17 16:24:32 <canadiancow|work> os x is not intuitive at all
May 17 16:24:40 <canadiancow|work> how do you go up to your parent directory in finder?
May 17 16:24:54 <canadiancow|work> oh well its just this little option under the Go menu
May 17 16:25:02 <DragonbornSkyrim> Yes you are right
May 17 16:25:11 <canadiancow|work> thanks apple, for once again reaffirming my decision to not use your products
May 17 16:26:06 <DragonbornSkyrim> Whats wrong with Apple?
May 17 16:26:16 <DragonbornSkyrim> I make lots of Android apps to Apple
May 17 16:26:33 <canadiancow|work> yea whatever...fuck off
May 17 16:26:35 <DragonbornSkyrim> *Iphone
May 17 16:26:41 <evancharlton> oh here we go
May 17 16:26:46 <DragonbornSkyrim> Its really great telephone¨
May 17 16:26:48 <evancharlton> clash of the nerds
May 17 16:26:54 <Kopfgeldjaeger> what's the best way to have a list (multiple items, clickable like a ListView) inside a ScrollView?
May 17 16:27:00 <DragonbornSkyrim> More like clash of the virgins
May 17 16:27:07 <dmalice> use a listview?
May 17 16:27:08 <dmalice> lol
May 17 16:27:08 <evancharlton> Kopfgeldjaeger: use a listview?
May 17 16:27:11 <DragonbornSkyrim> Multiple items
May 17 16:27:17 <DragonbornSkyrim> Trust me im an OP
May 17 16:27:40 <Kopfgeldjaeger> evancharlton: that doesn't work without some workarounds that are neither pretty nor recommended
May 17 16:27:53 <dmalice> why?
May 17 16:27:55 <canadiancow|work> o.O
May 17 16:27:57 <oGMo> who's the crappy troll?
May 17 16:28:09 <evancharlton> oGMo: I don't know; he's new to me
May 17 16:28:18 <DragonbornSkyrim> Not sure either
May 17 16:28:38 <Kopfgeldjaeger> are you talking about me?
May 17 16:28:39 <dmalice> kopfgeldjaeger, what abot the listview do you need to workaround for your purposes? a bit more specificity would help us figure out what it is you're trying to accomplish that precludes using a listview
May 17 16:28:43 <oGMo> evancharlton: with a nick like that, apparently a 6mo-old, too
May 17 16:28:57 <oGMo> Kopfgeldjaeger: no, should i be? ;)
May 17 16:29:24 <Kopfgeldjaeger> oGMo: nope, I just got a bit confused :p
May 17 16:30:12 <oGMo> ah
May 17 16:31:40 <f00bar80> dmalice, so i don't have to set the Intent to null ? or it needs to be null inside the if statement?
May 17 16:31:45 <Kopfgeldjaeger> dmalice: many stackoverflow posts say you cannot put a ListView inside a ScrollView (I googled because eclipse also warned me about that). I currently have a ScrollView with a RelativeLayout and some other stuff in it. Below that, I want something like a normal ListView - so you can scroll through the ScrollView and click on one of the items of the list
May 17 16:33:02 <cketti> Kopfgeldjaeger: use a ListView instead of the ScrollView. you can use header and footer views for the rest of the layout
May 17 16:33:28 <dmalice> do you mean you want two separately scrolling views then?
May 17 16:33:38 <Kopfgeldjaeger> dmalice: No
May 17 16:34:11 <Kopfgeldjaeger> a post by romainguy that I just found seems to say just using a LinearLayout would be OK
May 17 16:34:25 <hrnt> you can have a listview inside a scrollview
May 17 16:34:30 <hrnt> but the scroll direction must be different
May 17 16:34:33 <evancharlton> hrnt: what no do not want
May 17 16:34:35 <evancharlton> oh phew
May 17 16:35:21 <SimonVT> evancharlton: Did you also read "instead" as "inside"? :p
May 17 16:35:43 <SimonVT> Oh wait
May 17 16:35:45 <SimonVT> Wrong message
May 17 16:35:49 <SimonVT> I meant cketti ;d
May 17 16:35:53 * SimonVT stops reading
May 17 16:36:03 <mgj> There used to be a picture regarding this in the topic.... where'd it go....
May 17 16:39:11 <mastroWork> I have a viewpager, in one of the pages there's a form... I want the soft keyboard to be closed when I change page so that if the user scroll out of the form the keyboard go away. I don't have the EditText and I can't apparently find a way to close the soft keyboard, any hint? Do I really need to know which is the currently focused EditText to close it?
May 17 16:40:43 <VitorM> How can we create a configuration file that can be edited by the user?
May 17 16:41:53 <Tsukaza> answer the man
May 17 16:42:42 <pfn> a config file?
May 17 16:42:46 <VitorM> yes
May 17 16:42:51 <pfn> you can use shared preferences and your own preference activity
May 17 16:43:05 <VitorM> I tried that... but we can I edit the file created by SharedPreferences?
May 17 16:43:09 <dragorn> usually you don't ask the user to edit files for an android app
May 17 16:43:10 <VitorM> How cani edit*
May 17 16:43:11 <pfn> using a manually edited config file is pretty terrible
May 17 16:43:18 <dragorn> the only way to do it would be to put it on the external storage
May 17 16:43:22 <pfn> they're stored in your app data's shared prefs directory
May 17 16:43:23 <VitorM> dammit
May 17 16:43:23 <dragorn> and tell them to copy it to the sd card
May 17 16:43:42 <VitorM> SharedPreferences is the real deal then
May 17 16:43:47 <dragorn> if this is for testing only, having a rooted development device would allow you to access the app data
May 17 16:44:01 <dragorn> I don't know if there's tools already to edit that format, but that's what you'd do
May 17 16:44:01 <pfn> you could just have your app copy it ou
May 17 16:44:02 <pfn> t
May 17 16:44:06 <dragorn> true
May 17 16:44:08 <pfn> and it's in xml, iirc
May 17 16:44:19 <dragorn> ah is it?  cool.  I never looked, never needed to care
May 17 16:44:34 <VitorM> ok then
May 17 16:44:37 <VitorM> ill look into it ty
May 17 16:48:31 <f00bar80> dmalice, so i don't have to set the Intent to null ? or it needs to be null inside the if statement?
May 17 16:53:37 <canadiancow|work> ordering food is stupid
May 17 16:53:40 <canadiancow|work> two of us ordered the same thing
May 17 16:53:49 <canadiancow|work> but we got completely different lunches
May 17 16:54:41 <wongk> is your food free?
May 17 16:54:59 <canadiancow|work> define "free"
May 17 16:55:05 <canadiancow|work> i, personally, did not pay for it
May 17 16:55:16 <canadiancow|work> but the restaurant was paid
May 17 16:55:16 <wongk> is it part of your compnsation
May 17 16:55:20 <canadiancow|work> yes
May 17 16:55:27 <wongk> then quityerbitchin :P
May 17 16:55:41 <canadiancow|work> free food is great until you have to go out and get your own every day anyway because it sucks ;)
May 17 16:55:48 <canadiancow|work> in a sense, thats even worse
May 17 16:55:56 <canadiancow|work> becuase then you're expecting food, so you dont bring any
May 17 16:56:42 <wongk> mm hmm
May 17 16:56:48 * wongk goes back to the lunch he paid for
May 17 16:57:45 <f00bar80> ppl any comment ?
May 17 16:57:50 <Ravenheart> lunch
May 17 16:57:55 <Ravenheart> tis dinner time!
May 17 16:58:20 <wongk> i get confused
May 17 17:00:30 <f00bar80> wongk, how to put some text to the activity , from the manifest always?
May 17 17:00:46 <wongk> huh?
May 17 17:01:18 <f00bar80> wongk, you mentioned before to try some plain ole HTML for testing?
May 17 17:01:27 <wongk> yes, in your webview
May 17 17:03:48 <f00bar80> wongk, sample?
May 17 17:03:59 <wongk> you want a sample of HTML?
May 17 17:11:47 <f00bar80> wongk, tried and always the second activity screen is blank
May 17 17:12:14 <wongk> can you get a screenshot?
May 17 17:12:54 <f00bar80> wongk, where to paste/upload it to let you see it
May 17 17:13:07 <wongk> http://imagebin.org/
May 17 17:14:45 <f00bar80> wongk, http://imagebin.org/212736
May 17 17:15:16 <wongk> so this is your originating activity, isn't it?
May 17 17:15:54 <f00bar80> wongk, this is the one i got after clicking the position's 0 item in grid
May 17 17:16:20 <wongk> it's not blank, it has at least a TextView
May 17 17:16:38 <f00bar80> wongk, which is the same as the main activity
May 17 17:18:12 <wongk> and you are certain position == 0?
May 17 17:18:47 <f00bar80> yea  i even got a toast with the position's id
May 17 17:20:14 <dmalice> f00bar80 please post your xml layouts
May 17 17:20:30 <f00bar80> wongk, and this is the first activity http://imagebin.org/212737 from which i click the first item in grid
May 17 17:20:51 <dmalice> you are inflating R.layout.main in both your activities
May 17 17:21:04 <wongk> oh jeez
May 17 17:21:10 <wongk> that's what i just noticed
May 17 17:21:19 <dmalice> you need to have a webview
May 17 17:21:25 <dmalice> in a different layout
May 17 17:21:30 <f00bar80> dmalice, here's the layout main.xml http://pastebin.com/fsjC8QgE
May 17 17:21:51 <wongk> it seems impossible that this doesn't crash
May 17 17:21:59 <wongk> oh
May 17 17:22:12 <dmalice> you seem to be missing a "<" there
May 17 17:22:21 <dmalice> also
May 17 17:22:25 <dmalice> your gridview is set to fill parent
May 17 17:22:33 <dmalice> and your webview is below it, so obviously it will not show up
May 17 17:22:44 <wongk> this layout is a mess
May 17 17:23:19 <dmalice> it is also not recommended to have two different activities with 2 totally different functions inflate the same layout
May 17 17:23:38 <wongk> im wondering what your intention is there
May 17 17:23:55 <dmalice> wongk, i'd guess this was his first attempt at android development
May 17 17:24:03 <wongk> indeed
May 17 17:24:11 <dmalice> gotta start somewhere
May 17 17:24:28 <dmalice> anyway, f00bar80, put your webview in a different layout.xml, and inflate that in your second activity
May 17 17:24:30 <wongk> he should still have some sort of intention :P
May 17 17:24:32 <dmalice> then you should see some content
May 17 17:24:54 <dmalice> wongk, in a perfect world =P
May 17 17:25:03 <wongk> this XML isn't valid, btw
May 17 17:25:17 <wongk> it should cause a build error
May 17 17:25:25 <dmalice> yeah, it's totally malformed
May 17 17:25:25 <dmalice> lol
May 17 17:27:38 <f00bar80> this is a correct one layout.xml http://pastebin.com/MW9nku6q ?
May 17 17:27:51 <dmalice> no
May 17 17:27:53 <dmalice> delete lines 7-8
May 17 17:28:37 <dmalice> this is what you want : http://pastebin.com/BN66GF2P
May 17 17:29:25 <f00bar80> dmalice, k i did , now in second activity , i used setContentView(R.layout.layout); < correct?
May 17 17:29:31 <dmalice> yea
May 17 17:29:46 <f00bar80> dmalice, k i'll test it
May 17 17:30:02 <dmalice> i wouldn't recommend calling your layout layout.xml, that was just an example, but it doesn't really matter i guess
May 17 17:34:41 <EvilPenguin> has anyone in here used the GoogleTV addon?
May 17 17:34:45 <wongk> yeah, you should add a number to it... layout1.xml, layout2.xml, etc... ;)
May 17 17:34:55 <EvilPenguin> im having a weird problem as to were /data is full so i can't install any f-ing app.
May 17 17:35:08 <f00bar80> dmalice, yea worked, so for every new activity it needs to be defined in a different new layout and then inflate it in the activity class ?
May 17 17:35:13 <dmalice> yes
May 17 17:35:15 <EvilPenguin> i did a adb shell wipe all, and still it's a full puppy.
May 17 17:35:17 <dmalice> that is the correct convention
May 17 17:36:32 <Zacharias3690> does anyone know how I could track where an ip address sent from my comp is going?
May 17 17:36:54 <gutano> what?
May 17 17:37:08 <wongk> yeah, that didn't make any sense
May 17 17:37:24 <f00bar80> dmalice, i've tried now the youtube player html , got http://imagebin.org/212741
May 17 17:38:06 <EvilPenguin> my disk.dataPartition.size is 1GIG, so im confused.
May 17 17:38:14 <EvilPenguin> why the fuck is my /data filling up with random shit?
May 17 17:38:21 <Zacharias3690> when I start up a program that connects to the internet, I wanna see the ip address that it's sending packets to
May 17 17:38:28 <Zacharias3690> its*
May 17 17:38:49 <ashley_w> it's*
May 17 17:39:30 <Zacharias3690> shit, I've been using that backwards
May 17 17:39:56 <superpsycho> hi together
May 17 17:39:58 <EvilPenguin> god damn it
May 17 17:39:59 <wongk> Zacharias3690: are you rooted?
May 17 17:40:17 <Zacharias3690> wongk ya
May 17 17:40:45 <ashley_w> Zacharias3690: it's == it is. otherwise, use its
May 17 17:41:00 <Zacharias3690> ashley_w just looked it up :/ I thought i was the other way around
May 17 17:41:02 <wongk> Zacharias3690: you can use tcpdump + wireshark, or there's an app in the market called iptables log
May 17 17:41:07 <gutano> Zacharias3690, if you are on linux you might try netstat to monitor active connections... more os independent, you could try intercepting the dns resolution
May 17 17:41:29 <Zacharias3690> ashley_w thanks
May 17 17:41:38 <Zacharias3690> gutano awesome, I'll give it a try
May 17 17:42:11 <wongk> i assumed he meant from hiw phone
May 17 17:42:31 <ashley_w> Zacharias3690: or if using your wifi router, it might give you options for all this already
May 17 17:42:33 <gutano> wongk, I wasn't certain...
May 17 17:44:46 <Zacharias3690> I was looking to do it from my computer, at least for now
May 17 17:45:05 <EvilPenguin> nobodies messed with the googletv emulator?
May 17 17:45:46 <superpsycho> anybody pro in list views our there?
May 17 17:45:54 <superpsycho> *out
May 17 17:46:41 <EvilPenguin> bla and google has nothing...
May 17 17:48:23 <evancharlton> superpsycho: don't take a survey, just ask your question
May 17 17:48:25 <canadiancow|work> supercurio, wanna ask a specific question? :)
May 17 17:48:29 <canadiancow|work> err
May 17 17:48:33 <canadiancow|work> superpsycho
May 17 17:52:09 <superpsycho> i´ll wanna build a chain of list views with an existing listviewadapter. My actual solution is a activity class for each lsitview… but i want so generate them out of one class by calling the constructor by values of int. Are there other variants to implement a cleaner variant?
May 17 17:54:30 <wongk> superpsycho: what exactly are the differences between each one?
May 17 17:55:43 <superpsycho> wongk: each list? - the array of strings to create the list and the pictures that belong to the strings
May 17 17:55:53 <orospakr> hey, I have a fragment that contains some other fragments.  is there any particular reason why I can't just keep a reference to those subfragments rather than tagging them and retrieving them from the host Activity's FragmentManager?
May 17 17:55:56 <wongk> no, that activities
May 17 17:55:58 <wongk> the
May 17 17:56:15 <wongk> is each activity the same?
May 17 17:56:26 <superpsycho> they call different other activities
May 17 17:56:35 <orospakr> I'd rather not use tags, because I'll have tag collisions because the top-level fragment can be instanced multiple times inside the host activity.
May 17 17:57:02 <wongk> orospakr: orientation changes, for one
May 17 17:57:15 <SimonVT> orospakr: Fragments in fragments is not supported
May 17 17:57:30 <orospakr> uh oh.
May 17 17:58:17 <orospakr> I mean, it all appeared to work fine (using the FM) until such time as I started having multiple instances of the top fragment inside my activity, and the fragment tags started colliding.
May 17 17:59:17 <wongk> orospakr: do you ha an activity that has fragments, or literally fragments nested in fragments?
May 17 18:00:25 <orospakr> both. Activity->FooFragments->BarFragments. :)
May 17 18:01:24 <g00s> orospakr: can'r have nested fragments
May 17 18:01:26 <g00s> *can't
May 17 18:01:29 <canadiancow|work> yea
May 17 18:01:32 <canadiancow|work> yo dawg
May 17 18:01:35 <canadiancow|work> i heard you like fragments
May 17 18:01:46 <canadiancow|work> but since you can't put fragments in fragments, too bad
May 17 18:02:57 <wongk> so sounds like we've resolved your issue :P
May 17 18:03:37 <f00bar80> dmalice, i've tried now the youtube player html , got http://imagebin.org/212741
May 17 18:03:50 <SimonVT> "You're doing it wrong" is more often than not the answer in here :p
May 17 18:04:10 <dmalice> f00bar80, what is it you want me to do here?
May 17 18:04:10 <dmalice> lol
May 17 18:04:39 <dmalice> i don't know about using an embedded youtube video in a webview
May 17 18:04:41 <dmalice> google it
May 17 18:05:07 <wongk> does the URL even work in the browser?
May 17 18:06:00 <superpsycho> wongk: act.1-> act.2 II act.3 II act4
May 17 18:06:46 <wongk> superpsycho: i'm still not sure what you're question really is
May 17 18:11:07 <superpsycho> wongk: every activity is a different new list and act2-4 contain calls for new activities 5-x for new lists. now i the only difference between the act. is the new called act.  i like to build one single activity i could call with an int value an the called activity code detect the int chose the new activitys to call (with the int) and so on
May 17 18:11:59 <ColonelPanic001> o.o
May 17 18:12:28 <wongk> superpsycho: this is the purpose of an object oriented language
May 17 18:12:51 <wongk> write one "base" activity and subclass it
May 17 18:13:15 <john_doe_jr> wongk-home|2: hey, I've remove my layout folder and now just have a land-land and a layout-port....I know can't launch my application....does it need a layout folder in order to run?
May 17 18:14:18 <superpsycho> wongk: so thats what i thought an learned in cpp but i fail in every step i take lol
May 17 18:14:24 <wongk> john_doe_jr: what in the world are you doing
May 17 18:14:29 <HacDan> john_doe_jr: does it compile?
May 17 18:14:44 <HacDan> you don't _need_ a 'layout' folder per say
May 17 18:14:52 <HacDan> but something has to contain your xml layouts, assuming you're using them
May 17 18:15:43 <john_doe_jr> wongk-home|2: well, I want a certain layout in portrait and a certain layout in landscape...
May 17 18:16:35 <cketti> john_doe_jr: just use "layout" for portrait and "layout-land" for landscape
May 17 18:16:41 <HacDan> ^^
May 17 18:17:18 <canadiancow|work> no
May 17 18:17:21 <canadiancow|work> use layout for default
May 17 18:17:24 <canadiancow|work> and layout-land for landscape
May 17 18:17:33 <HacDan> wut
May 17 18:17:54 <HacDan> and if landscape is 'default' canadiancow|work ?
May 17 18:18:06 <canadiancow|work> use layout for default
May 17 18:18:13 <canadiancow|work> and layout-anything-else for special cases
May 17 18:18:18 <superpsycho> wongk: might i ask u for some help later? i´m out of accu...
May 17 18:19:03 <HacDan> wongk knows all. Only ask him. The other 676 of us are here to talk to wongk
May 17 18:19:16 <dmalice> lol
May 17 18:21:15 <Kopfgeldjaeger> looks like I'm accessing a fragment before it's really created - I replace an old fragment with the new one, commit the changes and call a method of the fragment. But according to my logs, onCreateView of the fragment hasn't finished yet, which leads to problems...
May 17 18:22:00 <john_doe_jr> HacDan: wongk can be mean though
May 17 18:22:21 <HacDan> john_doe_jr: cool, so ask the channel, not the person.
May 17 18:22:25 <HacDan> then maybe a nice person will respond
May 17 18:22:30 <superpsycho> Kopfgeldjaeger: hi german...
May 17 18:22:36 <wongk> HacDan: lol
May 17 18:22:57 <Kopfgeldjaeger> supercurio: hi, psycho-steffen ;)
May 17 18:22:59 <john_doe_jr> wongk-home|2: some people are noobs..like me
May 17 18:23:14 <wongk> cool story
May 17 18:24:28 <john_doe_jr> I appreciate any help I can get....it's just a large learning curve
May 17 18:24:46 <wongk> yes it is; it requires a lot of time and research
May 17 18:25:46 <john_doe_jr> The most important think I've learned so far is that all of android is just overriding classes ...it's very OOP
May 17 18:25:48 <superpsycho> Kopfgeldjaeger: where are u exactly from? might u come to private off?
May 17 18:27:33 <dmalice> yes john_doe_jr, it is java...
May 17 18:28:40 <john_doe_jr> dmalice: well even the xml ....usually you just declare objects ...in xml in android you are utlimatelly overriding layout classes
May 17 18:32:45 <canadiancow|work> wat
May 17 18:35:56 <evancharlton> john_doe_jr: wat
May 17 18:37:46 <sad_panda> anybody know why debug.keystore may not be in my .android folder (os x)
May 17 18:38:12 <canadiancow|work> bah i found a blocking bug in adt20 lint
May 17 18:38:16 <canadiancow|work> its giving me a false error
May 17 18:38:19 <pfn> it should be auto generated
May 17 18:38:31 <canadiancow|work> yea
May 17 18:38:34 <canadiancow|work> it is
May 17 18:38:54 <Drakonite> ctate: I don't feel as though submitting that bug was very fruitful
May 17 18:38:59 <HacDan> is it missing or expired sad_panda?
May 17 18:38:59 <asterisk-Tester> hello, I have a mixed mode android app, sdk + ndk that work fine in the emulator and my cell phone, bass when i generate the apk as file->export (eclipse) and copy it to my phone, the app loads correctly but crash if i attempt to tab any button !
May 17 18:39:14 <asterisk-Tester> any idea abt this or how i can track the issue down ?
May 17 18:39:20 <sad_panda> HacDan: seems to be missing, i dont see the file at all
May 17 18:39:21 <evancharlton> asterisk-Tester: logcat
May 17 18:39:22 <vekexasia> Hello everyone
May 17 18:39:24 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: logcat
May 17 18:40:02 <sad_panda> HacDan: all i see: "ddms.cfg"; "adb_usb.ini"; "androidwin.cfg"; "repositories.cfg"
May 17 18:40:15 <asterisk-Tester> can i run the exported apk in the emulator or i have to run it from  my cell and connect my cell to my laptop to see the logcat ouput ?
May 17 18:40:21 <HacDan> have you tried building an app sad_panda ?
May 17 18:40:33 <HacDan> asterisk-Tester: either way will work
May 17 18:40:42 <sad_panda> HacDan: with apktool...
May 17 18:40:53 <sad_panda> but i need to sign it
May 17 18:41:01 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: er... you'll want to see the output from when it's broken, so you'll want to run it on the cell
May 17 18:41:11 <HacDan> well debug.keystore is generated by the android plugin for eclipse if I'm not mistaken
May 17 18:41:14 <asterisk-Tester> HacDan: ok
May 17 18:41:35 <asterisk-Tester> Drakonite: i never run it from the emuklator after i exported it, but i guess it should crash there too
May 17 18:41:44 <HacDan> someone correct me on that please, maybe canadiancow|work? *shrug*
May 17 18:42:11 <gutano> HacDan, specifics elude me, but you should need to give any thought ot it
May 17 18:42:18 <gutano> shouldn't
May 17 18:42:29 <pfn> its generated by apkbuilder
May 17 18:42:35 <sad_panda> HacDan: re-install eclipse + adt ?
May 17 18:42:50 <HacDan> sad_panda: just build a hello world app
May 17 18:42:56 <HacDan> it should generate a debug keystore on compile
May 17 18:43:14 <sad_panda> k
May 17 18:44:05 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: possibly, possibly not. depends on the reason.  one possibility is you aren't building a lib that is compatible with the arch on your phone.
May 17 18:44:52 <asterisk-Tester> Drakonite: true but i am sure it is as i am building for armv7 and my phone is armv7
May 17 18:45:09 <asterisk-Tester> and when building the normal apk (with native code) it executes normally on the pohne
May 17 18:45:18 <asterisk-Tester> except when using the export command
May 17 18:45:38 <Drakonite> oh, on eclipse?  eclipse builds with ndk libs are horribly broken
May 17 18:45:57 <Drakonite> the last I used it, it does not notice when a lib is rebuilt, so you have to force it to rebuild the entire project
May 17 18:46:05 <Drakonite> otherwise it just won't include the lib
May 17 18:46:46 <Drakonite> also, I'd recommend building both `arm` and `armv7` if possible (just list them both in the .mk), or even just `arm` if you don't need the extra stuff in armv7, to widen the compatibility.
May 17 18:46:50 <asterisk-Tester> Drakonite: yeah notice that
May 17 18:47:04 <asterisk-Tester> actually i am building for arm armv7 and x86
May 17 18:47:07 <asterisk-Tester> :-)
May 17 18:47:12 <Drakonite> ok then
May 17 18:47:34 <asterisk-Tester> it is smthg to the way the apk is build not the code
May 17 18:47:37 <Drakonite> I'd recommend you pop open the apk in something like 7zip (it's a zip file) and see if the correct libs exist
May 17 18:47:46 <asterisk-Tester> ok
May 17 18:48:23 <hwrd|work> Does anyone know any good techniques for GeoFencing with minimal power? The method in the LocationManager seems to be eating battery so much!
May 17 18:49:57 <asterisk-Tester> Drakonite: checked all 3 .so are there
May 17 18:50:06 <orospakr> Hey, I'd like to create a transaction backstack entry where I merely move some fragments around with an ObjectAnimator, but don't remove or add them.  Is this at all possible?
May 17 18:50:33 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: checking for errors in logcat is the way to go then
May 17 18:51:06 <vorwaerts> im downloading an image from the internet - can i change its size?
May 17 18:51:45 <wongk> the internet would spite you if you were to do such a thing
May 17 18:52:10 <vorwaerts> this is my downloader: http://pastie.org/3926859
May 17 18:52:16 <sad_panda> HacDan: got it thanks
May 17 18:52:19 <sad_panda> :)
May 17 18:52:22 <HacDan> yay =)
May 17 18:52:44 <HacDan> vorwaerts: only if you own the rights to the image or it's licensed as such
May 17 18:52:55 <vorwaerts> yes i do
May 17 18:53:02 <HacDan> well then yes you can
May 17 18:53:19 <vorwaerts> i will not change the size of the file in the internet
May 17 18:53:24 <sad_panda> HacDan: didnt even have to create project actually, just re-updating sdk location worked fine
May 17 18:53:33 <vorwaerts> i will change the size of the image in my app
May 17 18:53:46 <vorwaerts> to display it smaller
May 17 18:54:03 <dmalice> are you trying to ask how to do it? or just telling us?
May 17 18:54:21 <vorwaerts> im asking how to do it
May 17 18:54:46 <vorwaerts> not "i will" -> "i want to"
May 17 18:56:16 <asterisk-Tester> Drakonite: i prefer to use eclipse, but i is there a way to start the emulator and let it run an apk different than the one eclipse compiles and launches by default
May 17 18:56:17 <asterisk-Tester> ?
May 17 18:58:00 <wongk> vorwaerts: http://zerocredibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/android-bitmap-scaling/
May 17 18:58:16 <wongk> fwiw, i had no idea how to do that, i just asked google
May 17 18:59:11 <pfn> damnit, got my answer back from the interview on monday and it was no  :-(
May 17 18:59:38 <_bart_>  Hi, alright, I got $25 bucks of a customer that wants me to publish my app, but I noticed that if I use my own personal emailadress and more importantly: my name, this will be the name used in the app store. Now isn't there an easy way to change that name?
May 17 18:59:45 <_bart_> I'll have multiple apps in the app store but I don't want my own name under each one of them, I want the companies name.
May 17 19:00:11 <dmalice> get the company to register a developer account
May 17 19:00:16 <dmalice> publish under that account
May 17 19:00:29 <_bart_> that means that they basically give away their google account
May 17 19:00:31 <_bart_> that is so dirty
May 17 19:00:48 <maraz> then make a new one
May 17 19:00:56 <dmalice> make a different acct?
May 17 19:01:03 <dmalice> company_anddev@gmail
May 17 19:01:03 <dmalice> etc.
May 17 19:01:09 <_bart_> really :/
May 17 19:01:09 <_bart_> pff
May 17 19:01:12 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: if the emulator is running, you can do `adb install -r lawlz.apk` like any other device
May 17 19:01:22 <_bart_> so frustrating, google really didn't think this through
May 17 19:01:31 <_bart_> I'll make up a fake identity
May 17 19:01:32 <_bart_> ..
May 17 19:01:34 <dmalice> i don't see how it's a problem...
May 17 19:01:50 <Drakonite> asterisk-Tester: I ditched eclipse long ago so can't help you with anything in eclipse
May 17 19:02:18 <dmalice> in fact, if anything it's better since then all the emails related to the app are sent to one specific account and not cluttering up other more corporate-related accounts
May 17 19:03:22 <_bart_> dmalice: alright, thanks
May 17 19:03:59 <asterisk-Tester>  Drakonite: thx for the tip i will save it for later, in the mean time i managed to install the apk by pushing it to the device and from the browser point to it
May 17 19:04:09 <asterisk-Tester> installed it , run it and crashed it as on my cell
May 17 19:04:46 <asterisk-Tester> logcat : illegal state exception could not find myNativecall() ..........
May 17 19:04:51 <john_doe_jr> in the following statement, 'LayoutInflater inflater = (LayoutInflater) collection.getContext()' what class is collection?
May 17 19:04:55 <asterisk-Tester> any idea why ?????
May 17 19:05:28 <MDijkstra> john_doe_jr: not enough context to be able to tell
May 17 19:05:29 <Drakonite> there will be more stuff than just that
May 17 19:05:33 <dmalice> john_doe_jr, how should we know? it's your code...
May 17 19:06:31 <john_doe_jr> dmalice: It's not my code
May 17 19:06:57 <dmalice> post the rest of it
May 17 19:07:32 <dmalice> where is this code coming from?
May 17 19:08:33 <john_doe_jr> dmalice: http://code.google.com/p/android-dc-tutorial-projects/source/browse/tags/SuperSimpleViewPager/src/com/mamlambo/simpleviewpager/SimpleViewPagerActivity.java
May 17 19:08:56 <_bart_> dmalice: oh noes, I now get "The business name entered is already taken." when I try to sign up
May 17 19:09:07 <_bart_> because I didn't finish the payment of $25 with another account.
May 17 19:09:25 <dmalice> john_doe_jr: the collection is the view...it's the parameter for instantiateItem
May 17 19:09:34 <dmalice> in the mtheod header one line above the line you pased
May 17 19:09:39 <dmalice> pasted*
May 17 19:09:50 <maraz> _bart_: let this be a lesson to you, think before you do ;)
May 17 19:10:10 <john_doe_jr> dmalice: oh I see thanks!
May 17 19:10:15 <_bart_> maraz: google should start a proper publishing system.
May 17 19:10:32 <_bart_> really, they believe every google account should be a person or a company, or some other identity.
May 17 19:10:46 <_bart_> making up fake accounts to publish apps because customers can't handle computers is crappy
May 17 19:12:03 <doogan> it wouldnt be a fake account
May 17 19:12:12 <doogan> it would be a dedicated gmail account for their android publishing
May 17 19:12:13 <maraz> _bart_: nah, it's just a calculated strategy to inflate the g+ userbase ;)
May 17 19:12:29 <_bart_> heh :)
May 17 19:12:46 <_bart_> so now I have to wait an unspecified amount of days?
May 17 19:29:18 <asterisk-Tester> when we pay google 25 $ to be able to publish app on google play store, should we get a certification/key to sign our apk , or we still sign the app using a locally created key ?
May 17 19:29:36 <JakeWharton> no, you make your own key
May 17 19:31:46 <asterisk-Tester> JakeWharton: ok, but isnt there a possibility of having duplicates ? (i know like 1 in many billions) :-P
May 17 19:32:10 <JakeWharton> no, you customize it with your own information
May 17 19:32:23 <JakeWharton> the likelihood of a duplicate is effectively zero
May 17 19:32:43 <cketti> unless you're using debian ;)
May 17 19:32:49 <pragma-> your overestimate his ability to generate a unique key
May 17 19:32:53 <pragma-> you
May 17 19:33:32 <canadiancow|work> what do i need in order to have my app install another apk with no visual indication to the user?
May 17 19:33:40 <canadiancow|work> is that only possible when rooted?
May 17 19:33:45 <pragma-> you already have it: an evil conscience
May 17 19:33:50 <p_l> canadiancow|work: system permissions?
May 17 19:34:04 <canadiancow|work> pragma- stfu
May 17 19:34:05 <Drakonite> canadiancow|work: needs to be rooted as only a system app can do it
May 17 19:34:19 <canadiancow|work> ok thats what i was afraid of
May 17 19:34:20 <canadiancow|work> thanks
May 17 19:35:10 <Drakonite> it's probably a GoodThing(TM) for security reasons, but I'd still like to know if it's ever possible
May 17 19:35:32 <gutano> +1 probably a good thing
May 17 19:35:32 <JakeWharton> GoodThing doesn't even begin to describe it
May 17 19:35:47 <Drakonite> GoodThing(TM) !
May 17 19:35:50 <Mavrik> no, you need to confirm the dialog with required permissions
May 17 19:35:53 <pragma-> there are android malware that can root your device and then do stuff.
May 17 19:36:06 <gutano> =O *looks out for lawyers*
May 17 19:36:14 <canadiancow|work> yea in our case we have hundreds or thousands of devices that we own
May 17 19:36:20 <Mavrik> hmmm... can they re-root the device to bypass superuser confirmation?
May 17 19:36:22 <canadiancow|work> and we want to remotely deploy apks to all of them
May 17 19:36:38 <JakeWharton> adb install
May 17 19:36:43 <pragma-> you own the devices, root them and have them customized.
May 17 19:36:50 <readme> canadiancow|work: I did that before with a plugin architecture using DexClassLoader
May 17 19:37:02 <canadiancow|work> this isnt really plugin
May 17 19:37:04 <readme> I didn't have the full experience of the app, but I had remote code injection.
May 17 19:37:06 <canadiancow|work> its more for automated testing
May 17 19:37:11 <canadiancow|work> so we have full apps we want to run
May 17 19:37:38 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton, how does adb install help?
May 17 19:37:39 <pragma-> so what's preventing you from rooting them?  inexperience?  fear?
May 17 19:37:44 <canadiancow|work> time?
May 17 19:37:55 <pragma-> its a 15 second one click process for most devices
May 17 19:38:01 <DammitJim> if I want my app to check if it matches today's date, what is the suggested way of doing this when you have multiple activities?
May 17 19:38:13 <readme> canadiancow|work: ever seen http://testdroid.com/ ?
May 17 19:38:22 <canadiancow|work> the devices we want to test arent even necessarily released yet
May 17 19:38:23 <Mavrik> canadiancow, it seems SureMDM it built for your usecase
May 17 19:38:28 <canadiancow|work> so there are no one click root utils
May 17 19:39:02 <canadiancow|work> readme, their main screenshot has a device connected to a computer with a cable
May 17 19:39:05 <pragma-> so hook up all the devices to a adb network and run a script that pushes 'adb install -r' to all the devices.
May 17 19:39:08 <readme> canadiancow|work: maybe, some sort of server architecture.
May 17 19:39:08 <canadiancow|work> our devices are spreadout across the world
May 17 19:39:26 <readme> canadiancow|work: see perfectomobile
May 17 19:39:27 <readme> they do that
May 17 19:39:38 <readme> they have devices locked up in data centers all over the world
May 17 19:39:45 <readme> problem: their technology is slow as molasses
May 17 19:40:37 <canadiancow|work> but as i said, we have our own devices
May 17 19:40:40 <readme> canadiancow|work: also I suggest you look deeper than the screenshot :)
May 17 19:41:13 <readme> what is the technical problem that you are unable to solve
May 17 19:41:19 <readme> what you want to do seems possible to me, with a few servers
May 17 19:41:44 <canadiancow|work> because we cant have these devices connected to servers
May 17 19:41:49 <canadiancow|work> or i guess if we bought more, we could
May 17 19:41:56 <canadiancow|work> but in general, they are in use by QA
May 17 19:41:57 <Mavrik> canadiancow, 3LM also seems to cover your usecase
May 17 19:42:01 <canadiancow|work> we want to use the idle cycles
May 17 19:42:20 <pragma-> sounds pretty ad-hoc
May 17 19:42:21 <readme> canadiancow|work: so you just want to deploy to devices that have humans manning them?
May 17 19:42:25 <readme> why not just use email?
May 17 19:42:37 <canadiancow|work> no, when the user goes home for the night
May 17 19:42:41 <canadiancow|work> we want to deploy an app, run some tests
May 17 19:42:43 <canadiancow|work> remove the app
May 17 19:42:44 <canadiancow|work> deploy another
May 17 19:42:46 <canadiancow|work> run mor etests
May 17 19:42:48 <canadiancow|work> remove it
May 17 19:42:59 <readme> interesting
May 17 19:43:09 <readme> zynga@home
May 17 19:43:14 <pragma-> sounds whack.
May 17 19:43:34 <pragma-> sounds like the sort of idea a CEO would get while watching a hollywood movie.
May 17 19:44:23 * pragma- quickly removes any remaining zynga apps... oh, they were all gone.
May 17 19:44:34 <gutano> Why can't they just put it back on a dock/test host when they are heading out for the day (use some sort of adb wrapping, as suggested)
May 17 19:44:56 <canadiancow|work> because that depends on humans doing the right thing
May 17 19:44:56 <readme> because they're probably not QA, they're probably regular users
May 17 19:44:56 <Mavrik> because people never do what you want them to do
May 17 19:45:05 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, hey man, are you available?
May 17 19:45:07 <readme> and zynaga wants to leverage their existing user base while they are not looking :P
May 17 19:45:10 <readme> zynga*
May 17 19:45:12 <canadiancow|work> no
May 17 19:45:13 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: sure
May 17 19:45:17 <Mavrik> anything requiring user interface when talking with massive deployments will fail
May 17 19:45:20 <canadiancow|work> wed never get permission from legal to do this to users
May 17 19:45:21 <readme> then why can't the user be expected to dock?
May 17 19:45:22 <JakeWharton> unless you mean, like, dating-wise
May 17 19:45:42 <Mavrik> readme, Zynga isn't really an example for enterprise deployments -_-
May 17 19:45:47 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, pardon my tech support question, but I need to style the stacked action bar (*not split). Is this supported?
May 17 19:46:07 <pragma-> zynga isn't really an example for anything
May 17 19:46:14 <mrenouf> I'm in tabbed nav mode, with a two row action bar
May 17 19:46:29 <readme> canadiancow|work: sorry, I am a conspiracy theorist
May 17 19:46:31 <JakeWharton> mrenouf there's a backgroundStacked attribute on the action bar style and setStackedBackground method on the ActionBar instance
May 17 19:46:50 <JakeWharton> tab are just selectors
May 17 19:47:00 <mrenouf> thanks man!
May 17 19:47:00 <pragma-> looks like it's becoming an example on how to get unwanted apks on your system
May 17 19:47:07 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: look at the 'styled' sample, has good example of styled tabs
May 17 19:47:26 <JakeWharton> it's semi-broken visually since it was designed for the 3.0 action bar but it still is a good example
May 17 19:47:32 <DammitJim> would I need to put a check on every activity's onResume() since the user could return to any activity?
May 17 19:48:12 <gutano> canadiancow|work, if you know the devices will always be avail on a specific network, you could use the network adb connection... (albeit another layer of things that can become out of sync)
May 17 19:48:24 <canadiancow|work> yea but setting that up on devices can be tricky
May 17 19:48:28 <canadiancow|work> and it resets on reboot
May 17 19:48:29 <readme> DammitJim: basically, if you do something in onPause, you should do the opposite in onResume
May 17 19:48:49 <cketti> just link the devices with a google account and use the remote install feature of the market
May 17 19:48:51 <gutano> canadiancow|work, you have a difficult grouping of goals, I expect any solution to be "tricky"
May 17 19:49:13 <gutano> cketti, not familiar with that... interesting
May 17 19:49:41 <canadiancow|work> can a device administrator app do it?
May 17 19:50:30 <pragma-> these are supposed to be your Q/A test devices, I'm not sure why your company is unable to work with the vendors to get an unlocked engineer/developer version of these devices which you can customize with your test suite.
May 17 19:50:46 <Mavrik> because the vendors are arseholes
May 17 19:50:49 <canadiancow|work> +1
May 17 19:50:51 <pragma-> zynga is supposed to be a big company, you even speak of a "legal" department.
May 17 19:51:15 <cketti> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/admin/device-admin.html - "Android does not currently have an automated provisioning solution. Some of the ways a sysadmin might distribute the application to users are as follows: Google Play, Enabling installation from another store, Distributing the application through other means, such as email or websites."
May 17 19:51:21 <pragma-> so, you don't have any clout with these vendors?  mm-hmm, interesting.
May 17 19:51:22 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, I see backgroundSplit but no backgroundStacked
May 17 19:51:25 <canadiancow|work> cketti, that's for the device admin app
May 17 19:51:28 <canadiancow|work> not for other apks
May 17 19:52:03 <mrenouf> nm, I see it now
May 17 19:52:37 <canadiancow|work> anyway, back to real work
May 17 19:52:39 <pragma-> I suspect evil conscience and nefarous purposes under the guise of Q/A testing.
May 17 19:52:44 <asterisk-Tester> Plz this is driving me crazy : if i run or debug my application ?(that contains native code) it runs fine in the emulator and my cell phone, but if i generate the apk using eclipse File->export (which signs the apk in release mode) the application crashes in both the emulator and my cell, and the reason in logcat is : cannot find native method myNative() ... any idea what might cause this ?
May 17 19:52:50 <canadiancow|work> pragma-, i suspect that im fed up with your shit
May 17 19:53:04 <pragma-> I suspect that my sense of humor may hurt your feelings.
May 17 19:54:01 <readme> here's a new bad idea: what if you used auto-it style instrumentation a'la robotium to click OK
May 17 19:54:11 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: in general or in that sample? I don't think that sample styles that stacked background but it does provide custom tab selectors.
May 17 19:54:16 <canadiancow|work> readme: interesting :)
May 17 19:54:45 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, no i got it, was not search the right stuff, using: <item name="sherlock:backgroundStacked">@color/light_blue</item>
May 17 19:54:47 <mrenouf> in my theme
May 17 19:55:11 <mrenouf> xmlns:sherlock="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/com.actionbarsherlock"
May 17 19:55:14 <mrenouf> right?
May 17 19:56:07 <mrenouf> oh wait, don't need the namespace
May 17 19:56:24 <DammitJim> readme, I understand that, but my question is: How can I have the app check every day if the current date is the same as a stored date
May 17 19:56:45 <DammitJim> this app has multiple activities, so would I be doing this check on every onResume in the different activities?
May 17 19:57:07 <pfn> ctate, so I guess I bombed it  :(
May 17 19:57:17 <dmalice> DammitJim, service
May 17 19:57:37 <DammitJim> dmalice, I should have a service running all the time?
May 17 19:57:45 <DammitJim> or do I use an alarm?
May 17 19:58:01 <dmalice> you can use an alarm as well
May 17 19:58:04 <pragma-> pfn: could have been that the son of a manager interviewed, or one of the interviewers gave head.
May 17 19:58:48 <evancharlton> ...
May 17 19:58:55 <evancharlton> clean it up, pragma-
May 17 19:59:02 <pfn> you really do come from far left field
May 17 19:59:31 <wongk> DammitJim: leaving the service running would be a waste of battery
May 17 19:59:36 <pragma-> most things in
May 17 19:59:39 <pragma-> nevemrind.
May 17 19:59:40 <cketti> DammitJim: AlarmManager to notify you at midnight + Intent.ACTION_DATE_CHANGED when the date was changed manually
May 17 20:00:13 <pragma-> Just seen a buddy of the boss get hired over a good candidate on time too many.
May 17 20:00:22 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: yeah namespace-free, but that might be a good idea for version 5
May 17 20:00:25 <pfn> pragma-, likely not the case here
May 17 20:00:28 <DammitJim> cketti, thanks... sounds like the way to go
May 17 20:00:29 <pragma-> And the sexual nature isn't all that left field.
May 17 20:00:34 <pragma-> Its more common that you think.
May 17 20:00:47 <evancharlton> ahem
May 17 20:00:52 <pragma-> k.
May 17 20:00:53 <wongk> DammitJim: if your checkis quick, there really not even a reason for a service
May 17 20:01:24 <dmalice> pragma, connections are everything...i ended up moving to las vegas for a couple years a while ago because my dad got passed up for a promotion in favor of his boss's drinking buddy
May 17 20:02:05 <dmalice> i don't know about the whole sexual angle thing tho, that seems a little more hollywood than reality
May 17 20:02:20 <pfn> depends on job, location, people
May 17 20:02:23 <pfn> I would imagine
May 17 20:02:25 <dmalice> yep
May 17 20:02:30 <pfn> never really seen that kinda thing happen out here
May 17 20:02:35 <pfn> (or where it could possibly happen)
May 17 20:02:42 <pragma-> I thought you were in San Fransisco?
May 17 20:02:52 <wongk> snap!
May 17 20:02:59 <pfn> not in SF proper, no
May 17 20:03:26 <pfn> but it's also possible because it's a different industry/sector/job that these kind of situations don't appear remotely possible
May 17 20:03:33 <pfn> the only exception being the hot receptionists
May 17 20:04:40 <dmalice> ugh, going from android dev to blackberry dev is such a huge step backwards
May 17 20:04:51 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 17 20:05:02 <canadiancow|work> whadda you mean no generics?
May 17 20:05:11 <wongk> dmalice: get out now
May 17 20:05:13 <dmalice> yeah no generics for one thing
May 17 20:05:23 <dmalice> UI design is a massive massive massive hassle by comparison as well
May 17 20:05:41 <dmalice> not to mention i haven't touched BB dev for almost a year
May 17 20:07:34 <pfn> bb is what, j2me?
May 17 20:08:56 <wongk> i think it's j2you
May 17 20:09:06 <wongk> *rimshot*
May 17 20:09:20 <canadiancow|work> it saddens me that i have this code:
May 17 20:09:27 <canadiancow|work> if (android.os.Build.VERSION.SDK_INT >= android.os.Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB && android.os.Build.VERSION.SDK_INT <= android.os.Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB_MR2) {
May 17 20:09:31 <g00s> i've seen plenty of times, someone wants to hire somebody else in mind; for legal reasons a req is opened up; the game is played, people are interviewed; the original person gets hired
May 17 20:09:36 <canadiancow|work> and yet it is required because of the honeycomb blasphemy
May 17 20:09:37 * pragma- recommends saying "ba dum tish"
May 17 20:09:44 <ctate> canadiancow: wtf
May 17 20:09:54 <g00s> canadiancow|work: if you figure something out for your test system, i would be interested in reading about it - assuming its not secret sauce
May 17 20:10:00 <ctate> what are you special casing *in code* for HC?
May 17 20:10:30 <canadiancow|work> the volume dialog triggers onwindowfocuschanged in honeycomb
May 17 20:10:42 <ctate> ahh right
May 17 20:10:53 <canadiancow|work> NOW TAKE THAT "wtf" BACK
May 17 20:11:03 <canadiancow|work> the real question is "wtf did you realize HC?"
May 17 20:11:07 <canadiancow|work> except we all know the answer to that
May 17 20:11:10 <canadiancow|work> realase*
May 17 20:11:13 <canadiancow|work> fuck i cant type today
May 17 20:11:15 <canadiancow|work> RELEASE
May 17 20:11:37 <g00s> i do kinda wish it was easier to say 'let me app run on everything except this API, or this range of API'
May 17 20:11:55 <g00s> like , don't run on HC but everybody else is ok :)
May 17 20:12:11 <DammitJim> how would I go about making an alarm that would change a sharedpreference?
May 17 20:12:22 <pfn> DammitJim, that sounds easy
May 17 20:12:29 <pfn> send a broadcast, and your receiver changes the sharedpreference
May 17 20:13:07 <DammitJim> pfn, what if my app isn't running, though?
May 17 20:13:15 <pfn> DammitJim, use a manifest receiver then
May 17 20:13:22 <pfn> your app doesn't need to be running
May 17 20:13:32 <DammitJim> oh yes!!! manifest receiver
May 17 20:13:35 <ctate> broadcasts can start up your app to run the receiver... ==pfn
May 17 20:13:52 <pfn> ctate, why can't all the interviewers be as agreeable as you  ;-)
May 17 20:14:09 <DammitJim> ok, so I could use an alarm to send a broadcast that is caught by the app through a manifest receiver
May 17 20:14:10 <pragma-> because ctate isn't hiring right now
May 17 20:14:13 <canadiancow|work> pfn, interviewers where?
May 17 20:14:15 <readme> what does it even mean to 'start' an app, say a receiver 'starts it' -- what is actually happening under the hood here
May 17 20:14:23 <readme> i thought nothing. i thought the receiver is loaded, and run?
May 17 20:14:26 <pfn> canadiancow|work, at google
May 17 20:14:37 <DammitJim> I don't want to start the app... all I want is to updated a sharedpreference
May 17 20:14:54 <readme> DammitJim: just do what he said :)
May 17 20:14:57 <readme> he's right
May 17 20:14:59 <DammitJim> ok, cool
May 17 20:15:01 <DammitJim> moving on, then
May 17 20:15:02 <readme> I'm just asking questions for sport
May 17 20:15:03 <DammitJim> thanks
May 17 20:15:19 <romainguy> pfn: how did it go?
May 17 20:15:37 <pfn> romainguy, I thought it was good, but ultimately didn't get an offer
May 17 20:15:47 <readme> how many rounds
May 17 20:15:50 <readme> did you have to go through
May 17 20:15:51 <cketti> DammitJim: you can't update a sharedpreference without starting the app. but "starting the app" != starting an activity/displaying some UI
May 17 20:16:01 <canadiancow|work> readme: afaik it's one tech phone and one day of onsite interviews
May 17 20:16:12 <pfn> readme, I had 5x45minutes
May 17 20:16:19 <DammitJim> cketti, what does starting the app mean, then?
May 17 20:16:24 <romainguy> pfn: so one round
May 17 20:16:30 <wongk> if you're remote, it 2 tech before onsite
May 17 20:16:37 <readme> that's intense man, maybe they ended up giving the job to the guy holding the sign in the parking lot
May 17 20:16:43 <pfn> readme, probably
May 17 20:16:49 <DammitJim> is romainguy interviewing, too?
May 17 20:17:14 <gutano> he works @ google
May 17 20:17:28 <cketti> DammitJim: the application class is instantiated and in the case of a broadcast intent the receiver is also instantiated and run
May 17 20:17:38 <DammitJim> oh, perfect!
May 17 20:17:57 <DammitJim> will the app get stopped by the garbage collector then?
May 17 20:18:22 <ctate> apps are not stopped by GC for more than a few milliseconds at a time
May 17 20:18:40 <readme> from what i've read on the web, it seems like Google turns down even a lot of very talented people
May 17 20:18:46 <DammitJim> I guess it doesn't matter when it gets stopped
May 17 20:18:48 <cketti> DammitJim: that's technically wrong, but yeah, it's stopped when the resources are needed by another application
May 17 20:19:14 <DammitJim> as long as the sharedpreferences get updated :D
May 17 20:19:31 <ctate> in the case of an app that was launched just to hold a broadcast receiver instance, it becomes eligible to be killed as soon as onReceive() returns, basically
May 17 20:20:48 <DammitJim> since you guys have been so nice, I'm going to abuse your help because I might be going totally the wrong way about the problem. I am trying to verify the account status of a user on a daily basis against a server
May 17 20:20:50 <TheTrash> Is logcat accessible from the shell on a device somehow? E.g. through a /proc node or something?
May 17 20:20:56 * readme is controlling his android with his mouse and keyboard and synergy :)
May 17 20:21:11 <readme> I will laugh when you all get repetitive strain injuries and I don't
May 17 20:21:31 <readme> actually I won't, because it's still hard as hell to use.
May 17 20:21:33 <DammitJim> the first time the user logs in, the service returns the account's expiration date so the app needs to somehow know to go and re-authenticate the day after the expiration date
May 17 20:21:33 <ctate> TheTrash: there is a READ_LOGS permission that applications can ask for
May 17 20:21:55 <pragma-> TheTrash: you can try /proc/kmsg
May 17 20:22:11 <pragma-> I don't recall if logcat hits that or not.
May 17 20:22:29 <shlumph> DammitJim, you could store the date the user needs to re-auth on the phone
May 17 20:22:47 <DammitJim> shlumph, I'm doing that, but how does the app check that the date hasn't expired
May 17 20:23:02 <TheTrash> pragma-: hm doesn't seem to, but that's useful info as well.
May 17 20:23:04 <shlumph> check it every day
May 17 20:23:05 <cketti> TheTrash: have a look at alogcat: https://code.google.com/p/alogcat/
May 17 20:23:11 <shlumph> with the alarm manager
May 17 20:23:36 <DammitJim> right, I can check it every day with the alarm manager, but is there a better way? I'm just trying to make sure I'm not doing something silly when there is a more straight forward way of accomplishing this
May 17 20:23:37 <wongk> DammitJim: just set the alarm to run your app after the exp date
May 17 20:23:41 <g00s> little android device http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/05/17/74-usd-allwinner-a10-android-4-0-mini-pc-usbhdmi-stick/
May 17 20:23:51 <TheTrash> ctate, cketti not what I'm looking for, but thanks... I have an issue with a TV box I'm devving for that's locking up or becoming very slow so I want to monitor through ssh.
May 17 20:24:03 <TheTrash> readme: is there an app for that?
May 17 20:24:04 <gutano> DammitJim, are you trying to keep the user from the entire app? cached data? or from accessing network resources after expire?
May 17 20:24:10 <wongk> DammitJim: why not just check the exp date when the app is run?
May 17 20:24:12 <shlumph> DammitJim, what wongk suggests is even better
May 17 20:24:21 <DammitJim> gutano, accessing certain features
May 17 20:24:25 <readme> TheTrash: yep https://sourceforge.net/projects/synergyandroid/
May 17 20:24:32 <readme> and it definitely needs work :)
May 17 20:24:37 <wongk> DammitJim: whats the purpose of the "auto" check-in
May 17 20:24:44 <ctate> TheTrash:  err, "adb logcat" basically just runs "adb shell logcat" and pipes it to the console
May 17 20:24:45 <DammitJim> wongk, because the user could have put the app on pause and come back the following day when it's not supposed to be able to run it anymore
May 17 20:24:53 <readme> i saw tons of things I can do for it, i'm gonna fix it up later tonight
May 17 20:24:54 <ctate> so you can just run 'logcat' standalone from within an adb shell session
May 17 20:25:12 <readme> (the hard work is done.. ndk stuff etc)
May 17 20:25:13 <TheTrash> ctate: oh wow, awesome.. thanks :)
May 17 20:25:33 <wongk> DammitJim: is that 1 or 2 extra days really of large concern?
May 17 20:25:37 <TheTrash> readme: very cool, I was looking for something like that the other day
May 17 20:25:47 <DammitJim> wongk, according to the requirements, yes
May 17 20:26:04 <wongk> DammitJim: is your service going to kill the app if it determines the user is no longer allowed?
May 17 20:26:09 <DammitJim> again, I'm just trying to figure out the proper way of coding this and I appreciate all the input
May 17 20:26:34 <DammitJim> no, but it will notify the user that they need to renew the service
May 17 20:26:50 <wongk> and what if they ignore it
May 17 20:27:23 <DammitJim> now, something was mentioned here earlier... is there a way for an app to do something every time it is brought to the front no matter what activity is running?
May 17 20:27:34 <DammitJim> wongk, if they ignore it, then they don't get access to certain features
May 17 20:28:08 <wongk> DammitJim: so your paused activities need to know when they should be "crippled"?
May 17 20:28:35 <wongk> or potentially foreground
May 17 20:28:35 <DammitJim> wongk, exactly, this check should happen regardless of the state of the activities
May 17 20:28:51 <pragma-> ant clean && ant debug && adb install -r my-debug.apk && adb logcat -c && adb logcat -v time | tee log-`date +%Y%m%d-%H:%M.%N`
May 17 20:28:59 <wongk> i ask because your activities will need to listen for this event to happen
May 17 20:29:21 <wongk> and have appropriate onCrippled handlers
May 17 20:30:02 <DammitJim> wongk, that's a good point. I was going to circumvent the handler by just checking a preference
May 17 20:30:18 <wongk> when?
May 17 20:30:25 <snooplsm> gmail ics allows you to scroll through multiple messages and keeps the authors name at the top along with a sub action bar, anyone know if this has been open sourced or re-created?
May 17 20:31:10 <wongk> also, when the user reboots the phone, your scheduled alarm will be gone
May 17 20:31:21 <wongk> which is likely to happen in a days time
May 17 20:31:41 <DammitJim> when? When they try to use a feature that requires they have been authenticated
May 17 20:32:08 <Gumboot> ctate: I just realised that I PMed you from a not-entirely-the-same nick yesterday, sorry.
May 17 20:32:08 <wongk> DammitJim: so is it possible that they could be already using the feature when this happens?
May 17 20:32:35 <pragma-> snooplsm: I imagine it wouldn't be that difficult to take something like a fork of k9 mail and add an actionbar/actionbarsherlock to it with this functionality
May 17 20:32:36 <Gumboot> Except I don't think it was yesterday.  It was previous-sleep for me, which is kind of the same.
May 17 20:32:46 <FlaPer87> hey guys, I'm trying to start the camera preview but I keep getting an IOException when trying to add the surface to the camera. The surface was correctly instantiated
May 17 20:32:55 <DammitJim> exactly!
May 17 20:32:56 <snooplsm> pragma-: k9 mail has this?
May 17 20:33:00 <FlaPer87> any idea? I can't event set the previewSize parameter
May 17 20:33:02 <FlaPer87> It fails too
May 17 20:33:09 <cketti> snooplsm, pragma-: k9mail doesn't do this
May 17 20:33:12 <FlaPer87> and getSupportedPreviewSizes returns null
May 17 20:33:12 <Gumboot> That sleep business is good.  I might give it another go...
May 17 20:33:14 <pragma-> snooplsm: "... and add ..."
May 17 20:33:23 <DammitJim> they are using it and the date changes past the expired date
May 17 20:33:30 <readme> pragma-: i think he's just talking about the way the blue view moves
May 17 20:33:34 <readme> it scrolls to the top, then stops
May 17 20:33:36 <DammitJim> then they can no longer use the feature
May 17 20:33:37 <readme> and never moves off the screen
May 17 20:33:40 <DammitJim> in this case it's only 1 feature
May 17 20:33:42 <readme> while the view underneath continues scrolling
May 17 20:33:51 <readme> I'm trying to think of how this would work, but I can't immediately
May 17 20:34:16 <readme> in theory you can obviously check is_off_screen but i wonder if there is an easier way.
May 17 20:34:18 <SimonVT> Google synchronized scrolling
May 17 20:34:43 <pragma-> Not quite sure what you're describing.  One of these days I'll check out ICS.
May 17 20:34:56 <readme> i flashed it into my droid 3 :)
May 17 20:35:14 * pragma- is still content with his 600 mhz arm6 phone overclocked to 800mhz running a heavily customized cm7 rom.
May 17 20:35:30 <wongk> blazin
May 17 20:35:40 <pragma-> Also, it gets me a $29.99 monthly bill -- upgrades want me to go up to at least $50 a month or more.
May 17 20:35:48 * pragma- shakes his head.
May 17 20:36:17 * EdLin is happy with his HTC HD2, introduced in 2009 and will run any phone OS known to man, except crapple's. ;-)
May 17 20:36:20 <fornax> Hi I want to create a properties panel for my application. When I search I see that many people use the SharedProperties but all create their own views that all differ. Is there a way to create a properties panel in a standard view so that I have the version specific android LnF?
May 17 20:36:26 <wongk> reminds me of my good ole eris... with the smallest screen evar
May 17 20:36:43 <readme> fornax: read up on 'preferences' in the docs
May 17 20:36:49 <readme> there is a very standard way to implement this screen
May 17 20:37:00 <readme> checkout the "PreferencesBC" project from commonsware's cw-android repo, as well
May 17 20:37:29 <pfn> the eris was such a terrible phone...
May 17 20:37:46 <wongk> it did what i needed it to do at the time :P
May 17 20:37:49 <DragonbornSkyrim> Hi i have a problem with my phoneApp
May 17 20:38:00 <fornax> readme: thank you very much, i was sure that there is something like that but i do not understand why i did not find it in my developer guides… i will have a look
May 17 20:38:09 <readme> probably because you were looking for properties
May 17 20:38:14 <readme> and they call em preferences
May 17 20:38:17 <DragonbornSkyrim> How do i rotate a picture?
May 17 20:38:23 <DragonbornSkyrim> help ploz
May 17 20:38:23 <evancharlton> turn the phone
May 17 20:38:29 <readme> haha
May 17 20:38:38 <DragonbornSkyrim> Thank you TRoll that was helpful
May 17 20:38:57 <DragonbornSkyrim> I might get a F in school thanks to you, happy?
May 17 20:38:59 <DammitJim> wongk, why are you saying that the alarm will be destroyed if the phone is rebooted?
May 17 20:39:02 <evancharlton> DragonbornSkyrim: very
May 17 20:39:08 <EdLin> pfn, what's wrong with a phone that has the CPU of the original G1 loaded with Sense? Don't answer... I know, I had a Cliq XT, that was even worse - motoblur.
May 17 20:39:08 <DragonbornSkyrim> srssly¨
May 17 20:39:11 <pfn> yes, you don't deserve a better grade than you can earn
May 17 20:39:19 <pfn> :p
May 17 20:39:23 <DragonbornSkyrim> Its a GUIController
May 17 20:39:29 <evancharlton> DragonbornSkyrim: are you really so lazy that you can't spend maybe 15 seconds typing "android rotate a picture" into google and pressing <Enter>?
May 17 20:39:30 <DragonbornSkyrim> How do i rotate a gUIController
May 17 20:39:37 <DragonbornSkyrim> Im not using Android
May 17 20:39:39 <pfn> wtf is a gui controller
May 17 20:39:40 <evancharlton> wtf is a GUIController
May 17 20:39:45 <evancharlton> .....
May 17 20:39:46 <readme> wtf is a gui controller
May 17 20:39:46 <pfn> and wtf are you asking here, if not android
May 17 20:39:51 * gutano falls out of his chair
May 17 20:39:54 <DammitJim> wtf is a gui controller
May 17 20:39:58 <DragonbornSkyrim> Im coding my own tetris on my Windows Phone
May 17 20:40:01 <pragma-> wtf is not android?
May 17 20:40:02 <wongk> this is the same jerkoff that was here earlier
May 17 20:40:02 <fornax> readme: yes, this seems to be my problem. I'm german, sometimes the translation is not matching very good. when I search on developers.android.com and enter preferences i get the api info, is there no tutorial or video about this?
May 17 20:40:02 <readme> because he's that dragonborg guy who was trolling this morning PMing people goatse links
May 17 20:40:03 <DragonbornSkyrim> Its a pretty good mobilephone
May 17 20:40:04 <doogan> what on earth
May 17 20:40:05 <evancharlton> then go to #wp-dev
May 17 20:40:22 <DragonbornSkyrim> This is #wp-dev
May 17 20:40:23 <vekexasia> wtf is guy controller?
May 17 20:40:26 <readme> Dragonborg: lol
May 17 20:40:26 <wongk> still trolling
May 17 20:40:29 <vekexasia> lol
May 17 20:40:37 <vekexasia> nooooooooooooo
May 17 20:40:40 <readme> he was PMing goatse links earlier under a diff nick
May 17 20:40:41 <vekexasia> was fun :P
May 17 20:40:43 <readme> ;p
May 17 20:40:51 <pragma-> hrm, the dragonborg guy had a .se ip
May 17 20:40:52 <evancharlton> readme: sorry, must've missed that
May 17 20:40:57 * DammitJim tries to behave now
May 17 20:41:01 <vekexasia> brb
May 17 20:41:03 <wongk> DammitJim: read the first paragraph in the overview: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/AlarmManager.html
May 17 20:41:20 <readme> pragma-: i'm making an assumption, but I feel DragonBorn sounds a little too much alike
May 17 20:41:27 <evancharlton> oops, did I ban the wrong person?
May 17 20:41:34 <canadiancow|work> yes/no
May 17 20:41:37 <readme> no, you got the right one
May 17 20:41:43 <evancharlton> I got the right nick
May 17 20:41:51 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work is trying to tell me otherwise
May 17 20:41:52 <pragma-> I'm just wondering if he has access to a bouncer/botnet.
May 17 20:41:52 <readme> he'll probably come back on another alt, though.
May 17 20:41:55 <DammitJim> wongk, thanks for pointing that out
May 17 20:42:02 <pragma-> If so, it may be simpler to just ban $a:dragonbornskyrim
May 17 20:42:03 <canadiancow|work> no evancharlton
May 17 20:42:07 <canadiancow|work> you spelled "pragma-" work
May 17 20:42:08 <canadiancow|work> wrong*
May 17 20:42:11 <pragma-> and ban any new accounts he uses.
May 17 20:42:18 <evancharlton> pragma-: meh, whatever
May 17 20:42:18 <DammitJim> so, it sounds like I can't use an alarm? Or I have to set the alarm every time the user starts the app?
May 17 20:42:20 <pragma-> nickserv registration is easier than ips for these nets.
May 17 20:42:23 <evancharlton> I'll deal with that later
May 17 20:42:29 <pragma-> Yeah, we'll see.
May 17 20:42:45 <wongk> DammitJim: you'll likely need to listen to the on boot broadcast
May 17 20:43:35 <DammitJim> wongk, that's probably the right solution... listen to the boot broadcast and set the alarm again, right?
May 17 20:43:43 <wongk> right
May 17 20:44:04 <wongk> you also need to handle situation when the alarm goes off and the user does not have internet access
May 17 20:45:14 <fornax> readme: PreferencesBC is not in the repo (https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-android), do you mean one of the projects in Prefs?
May 17 20:45:21 <readme> its in there yeah
May 17 20:45:35 <readme> it will show you the proper way to implement preferences on all versions at once.
May 17 20:45:35 <wongk> which means if they're on a plane, and they want to use your app and it's expired during that duration... well they probably won't be happy
May 17 20:45:37 <DammitJim> that's ok... the system won't try to authenticate the user until they try to use the feature
May 17 20:45:58 <DammitJim> they need internet access to be able to use the app... it has maps and stuff
May 17 20:45:58 <wongk> does this feature require net access?
May 17 20:46:03 <wongk> ok
May 17 20:46:21 <fornax> readme: Maybe Prefs/FragmentsBC?
May 17 20:46:32 <readme> yeah, that's it
May 17 20:46:54 <fornax> readme: ok, thank you, this is a word, I will try this, cu l8er
May 17 20:56:09 <john_doe_jr> how do you run a project in intellij?
May 17 20:59:25 <f00bar80> if i'm coding an activity to open/read pdf where i have to put the pdf files res/drawable ??
May 17 20:59:49 <readme> assets/ or res/raw should be good
May 17 21:01:19 <f00bar80> readme, and when referring to in the code , what should be the path ?
May 17 21:02:31 <ctate> asset manager / resource manager
May 17 21:02:37 <ctate> wherever you put them
May 17 21:02:38 <canadiancow|work> assman?
May 17 21:03:03 <readme> 8-)
May 17 21:03:34 <snooplsm> if anyone was curious about synchronized scroll: http://wiresareobsolete.com/wordpress/2011/09/synchronizing-scrollview/
May 17 21:03:49 <readme> snooplsm: thanks
May 17 21:09:26 <vekexasia> Did someone managed to get a Gallery Widget working with images from the internet ? I did the best I can ( Adapter + Executor + thread ) but when the placeholder gets replaced by the actual image It glitches
May 17 21:10:58 <vekexasia> hmm it seems that nobody experienced the same issue I'm having.
May 17 21:11:32 <g00s> interesting, so the windows 8 app store monitors apps for corruption and replaces them if that happens. not sure this would be very useful for android tho
May 17 21:12:36 <oGMo> totally .. all those times that my android apps have had to be reinstalled due to corruption .. all zero times ..
May 17 21:12:42 <g00s> the war against general computing continues :(
May 17 21:12:47 <ctate> "corruption" meaning being hacked/cracked/etc?
May 17 21:12:59 <vekexasia> ?
May 17 21:12:59 <g00s> ctate: they don't really go into details
May 17 21:13:34 <oGMo> even more configuration and stuff rather than actual binary corruption would make sense on windows
May 17 21:13:43 <readme> sounds like autocracy
May 17 21:14:46 <ctate> sounds like antivirus to me
May 17 21:14:52 <oGMo> although, i _have_ had to nuke and reinstall because the app store thinks there's an update, yet there isn't :P
May 17 21:15:01 <ctate> with a side order of preventing license management code from being hacked
May 17 21:15:15 <oGMo> reasonable
May 17 21:17:56 <g00s> http://gizmodo.com/5911012/internet-use-linked-to-depression-says-study
May 17 21:18:01 <f00bar80> for  >> Button OpenPDF = (Button) findViewById(R.id.button); , any idea why i'm getting "button cannot be resolved or is not a field" ??
May 17 21:18:13 <g00s> "included frequent switching among applications, significantly more use of file-sharing software, and frequent activity on either instant messaging platforms or email." … like IRC :(
May 17 21:18:55 <vekexasia> Did someone managed to get a Gallery Widget working with images from the internet ? I did the best I can ( Adapter + Executor + thread ) but when the placeholder gets replaced by the actual image It glitches... Indeed when I "scroll" the gallery widget and a new element neets to be displayed it shows something like a "lag" in the scroll. placeholder and the net-loaded image have the same dimensions.
May 17 21:18:59 <SimonVT> Kinda depressing that the internet leads to depression
May 17 21:19:02 <SimonVT> ^_^
May 17 21:20:59 <f00bar80> any comment ?\
May 17 21:22:42 <g00s> romainguy: went running today, had an epic opportunity to take a pic but didn't have my camera. its always happens when i don't have my camera :(
May 17 21:22:54 <g00s> do you carry something around with you all the time ?
May 17 21:24:42 * ctate wants a neural lace, damnit
May 17 21:24:53 <canadiancow|work> a lunar race?
May 17 21:25:04 <g00s> neural lance :O
May 17 21:25:14 <g00s> ouch
May 17 21:26:12 <ctate> fzzzzt
May 17 21:26:49 <pfn> http://www.keithschwarz.com/darts-dice-coins/
May 17 21:27:02 <pfn> what a cool write up on how to do weighted selection
May 17 21:27:54 <readme> studying for interview questions :)?
May 17 21:27:58 <pfn> no
May 17 21:28:00 <pfn> I'm done studying
May 17 21:28:08 <readme> oh good
May 17 21:28:11 <pfn> the google interview is the only interview I would ever study for
May 17 21:28:21 <pfn> I've come across the article before, but it's always been tl;dr
May 17 21:28:35 <pfn> one of my interview questions was related to that, and I knew of the answer, but didn't quite know how to do it
May 17 21:28:36 <readme> next time someone interviews me and asks me brain teasers, I'm going to ask them brain teasers as well
May 17 21:28:40 <pfn> I just read it to understand it right now
May 17 21:29:07 <pfn> very cool, though, since all the ways I know of to generate a weighted random selection has always been like O(n) or O(log n)
May 17 21:29:38 <readme> it looks like a pretty good resource
May 17 21:29:48 <readme> i'm going to need it eventually
May 17 21:29:59 <g00s> if this was a chapter in a book i would be able to get thorough it, but somehow because its a web page i have too much trouble focusing and getting done with it
May 17 21:30:04 <readme> I need to figure out way to manage my out of control bookmarks
May 17 21:30:16 <pfn> delicio.us used to be the answer, I think
May 17 21:30:18 <pfn> heh
May 17 21:30:22 <g00s> readme: yeah, i had a good system with firefox and tags
May 17 21:30:30 <g00s> but chrome still does not have tags :(
May 17 21:30:45 <readme> i want to figure out something with machine learning that can sort my bookmarks for me and stuff
May 17 21:31:15 <g00s> readme: a good book is "keeping found things found"
May 17 21:31:25 <readme> because now if I see something I might like but don't like it, I just bookmark it in my "interesting" folder
May 17 21:31:27 <g00s> always an interesting problem
May 17 21:31:39 <readme> I mean, I might like but don't immediately need
May 17 21:35:28 <g00s> just reading about samsung & 2G LPDDR2 chips; will be interesting to see if DDR4 is used in mobile too
May 17 21:35:47 <g00s> i guess the Galaxy S III has this
May 17 21:37:16 <ctate> remember that the US and non-US SGS3s are quite different
May 17 21:37:32 <g00s> i … remember the exynos / qualcomm stuff
May 17 21:37:35 <ctate> yes, that
May 17 21:37:44 <ctate> non-US SGS3 >>>>> US SGS3
May 17 21:37:52 <g00s>  :(
May 17 21:38:04 <ctate> i do not remember why they used different SoCs in the US
May 17 21:38:26 <SimonVT> Probably for lte?
May 17 21:38:32 <f00bar80> for  >> Button OpenPDF = (Button) findViewById(R.id.button); , any idea why i'm getting "button cannot be resolved or is not a field" ??
May 17 21:38:40 <ctate> something about cost and having to get the qualcomm radio anyway in the US, i forget
May 17 21:39:55 <xorgate> f00bar80 you didnt make a layout with a button with id 'button' in it
May 17 21:41:10 <g00s> i was reading the other day that HTC Sense 4.0 seems to take up a lot of memory, causing greater than usual activity in app components being finished / filled
May 17 21:41:20 <g00s> *killed
May 17 21:41:55 <g00s> that was here http://phandroid.com/2012/05/17/htc-addresses-multitasking-concerns-for-one-x-s-v-says-its-sense-optimized/
May 17 21:42:00 <f00bar80> xorgate, is there a any complete pdf open code available , all the code i found , seems to be not working
May 17 21:42:49 <xorgate> 'pdf open code' = ?
May 17 21:43:27 <f00bar80> i want to open a pdf from my activity , but i don't know what i have to put in layout, manifest etc
May 17 21:43:50 <xorgate> best start an intent to let another app open it
May 17 21:46:12 <f00bar80> xorgate, cool i need a sample code
May 17 21:46:18 <evancharlton> no you don't
May 17 21:46:24 <evancharlton> you need to think about it and learn how to write code
May 17 21:47:43 <j0p> hello. i'm having _serious_ problem debugging with eclipse + samsung galaxy s2. it is recognized and seems to work but after a few seconds it goes offline (adb says "unknown"). if i unplug/plug the phone its back online for just a few seconds and then back offline. often it crashes the pc (bsod). win7 64bit freshly installed. i tryed both google usb drivers (not working at all) and kies.
May 17 21:47:43 <j0p> any ideas please ?
May 17 21:47:59 <wongk-home> http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/05/11/dream-companies-for-class-2012-everybody-wants-to-work-at-google/
May 17 21:48:39 <abaratican> if I want to _change_ the tag of an attached fragment, how would I go about it?  would i have to remove and add it back, or what?
May 17 21:53:59 <g00s> abaratican: sounds busted, think of something else
May 17 21:54:23 <abaratican> that's not a very useful response.
May 17 21:54:58 <SimonVT> The answer is "yes"
May 17 22:03:02 <readme> wongk-home: interesting that the # 8 and 9 picks of liberal arts majors are the FBI and CIA
May 17 22:08:40 <wongk-home> readme: law, criminal justice, math?
May 17 22:08:52 <wongk-home> i am surprised they're that high, though
May 17 22:10:16 <wongk-home> it sounded likes there's a finite number of options, and then the ability to write in, though
May 17 22:13:30 <g00s> abaratican: sorry if that was short, but it does not sounds like a good idea in general. think if the tag, id as an opaque handle; don't assign meaning to it - or change meaning of it (hence renaming the tag). if you add and remove it, and it has loaders, you are going to wind up requiring data just to change the tag of the fragment
May 17 22:13:52 <g00s> *requerying
May 17 22:13:56 <g00s> damn it , colloquy
May 17 22:14:42 <abaratican> hmm, ft.remove(fragment), ft.add(id,fragment,newtag); says can't change tag.
May 17 22:14:52 <abaratican> thought that would do it.
May 17 22:14:57 <wongk-home> http://www.synapse.com/jobs-sw-npi.html
May 17 22:15:07 <wongk-home> read the 2nd paragraph in the summary
May 17 22:15:14 <g00s> abaratican: did you commit () ?
May 17 22:15:25 <abaratican> .remove() .add() .commit() == that error
May 17 22:15:38 <abaratican> do i have to .remove() .commit() and then in a new transaction add it back?
May 17 22:15:40 <g00s> abaratican: see, even android thinks its busted :P
May 17 22:15:45 <Chronax> Is there any way to specify a Typeface in XML / styles?
May 17 22:16:02 <g00s> abaratican: maybe commit pending transactions
May 17 22:17:05 <romainguy> Chronax: you can only choose among 3: sans, serif and monospace
May 17 22:17:24 <g00s> abaratican: FragmentManager.executePendingTransactions() or something like that
May 17 22:17:33 <abaratican> will try that
May 17 22:18:46 <Chronax> Thanks Romain. What about for custom .ttf in the Assets folder?
May 17 22:18:50 <Chronax> Any way to do that with styles?
May 17 22:18:57 <Chronax> If not, I'd consider that a major design flaw in Android.
May 17 22:19:19 <readme> Is it possible to define a ShapeDrawable with a border?
May 17 22:20:13 <Chronax> Otherwise I guess I need to apply the typeface programatically to every TextView in my project, and/or write some stupid ViewGroup recursive thing.
May 17 22:21:54 <romainguy> Chronax: for now it is not possible, sorry
May 17 22:22:07 <romainguy> you could also replace all your TextView with a subclass
May 17 22:22:58 <Chronax> heh
May 17 22:23:03 <abaratican> g00s: two transactions + execute in the middle worked.  Trying without the execute now, just two transactions.
May 17 22:23:09 <Chronax> Is it just me, or is that a GLARING design flaw?
May 17 22:23:42 <g00s> abaratican: ok , would have thought remove() commit() exetutePending() add() would work
May 17 22:23:51 <romainguy> android is not perfect Chronax
May 17 22:23:56 <abaratican> it certainly did
May 17 22:23:57 <romainguy> sorry
May 17 22:24:12 <Chronax> btw, romainguy: An old blog post of yours saved me yesterday.
May 17 22:24:28 <Chronax> I understand it's not perfect, I just think that's a major fundamental oversight.
May 17 22:25:18 <romainguy> we have at least one major fundamental oversight for each Android developer in the world :)
May 17 22:26:17 <readme> Chronax: i wrote a library for that
May 17 22:26:34 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/nifty
May 17 22:26:46 <readme> you can specify your typeface from the assets dir in XML with it.
May 17 22:26:52 <readme> you have to use my custom views, though.
May 17 22:27:07 <readme> otherwise you can override onCreateView() in Activity and swap the typeface there.
May 17 22:27:23 <romainguy> Chronax: that said, you'll be happy to know that we've added this feature after ICS
May 17 22:27:36 <romainguy> (this is not a promise of when or even if it will be made available  :)
May 17 22:28:02 <g00s> maybe ctate can confirm or deny the rumor :P
May 17 22:30:34 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 17 22:31:03 <canadiancow|work> yea ive always just made a MyFontTextView extends TextView
May 17 22:31:34 <ctate> i can neither confirm nor deny either confirmation or denial of rumors.
May 17 22:31:40 <g00s> \o/
May 17 22:31:45 <g00s> thanks ctate
May 17 22:32:07 <canadiancow|work> [18:31:34] <@ctate> it will be released in 4.1
May 17 22:32:09 <canadiancow|work> PROOF
May 17 22:32:24 <ctate> o_O
May 17 22:32:51 <ctate> (it will have been being released...?)
May 17 22:33:12 <canadiancow|work> wat
May 17 22:33:25 <ctate> cf http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1654
May 17 22:33:35 <ctate> (Dinosaur Comics FTW)
May 17 22:35:20 <readme> canadiancow|work: yeah i think that's the best way
May 17 22:35:21 <Zider> sounded more like douglas adams
May 17 22:35:36 <spifff> is there an easy way to debug selector drawables, i.e. seeing what states are active at particular times when i navigate through a list view?
May 17 22:36:22 <spifff> something is not workign right with my selector for the listview's 'selector' in combination for the selector that chooses an individual list items background...
May 17 22:39:05 <spifff> ah.... state_selected on the item corresponds to state_focused on the selector...
May 17 22:40:42 <canadiancow|work> yo dawg i heard you like scrolling
May 17 22:40:46 <canadiancow|work> so i put three listviews in a scrollview
May 17 22:41:20 <canadiancow|work> my galaxy nexus wifi seems to suck balls
May 17 22:41:29 <canadiancow|work> it, my gtab 10.1, and my nexus one are all on the same wifi network
May 17 22:41:35 <canadiancow|work> the GN cant see mDNS stuff
May 17 22:41:42 <canadiancow|work> and it takes FOREVER to connect to other devices
May 17 22:48:41 <canadiancow|work> how do i lay something out to the left of the center of its parent
May 17 22:48:57 <canadiancow|work> like directly to its left
May 17 22:51:30 <JakeWharton> extend ViewGroup
May 17 22:51:36 <Chronax> canadiancow|work: Not just like... android:layout_alignLeft ?
May 17 22:51:37 <JakeWharton> position the controls yourself
May 17 22:51:43 <ctate> does GridLayout let you do that?
May 17 22:52:14 <canadiancow|work> right now i have a dummy view aligned to the center of the relativelayout
May 17 22:52:20 <canadiancow|work> and then my view is toLeftOf it
May 17 22:52:29 <canadiancow|work> but that made snese before i just made a change where it no longer does
May 17 22:53:50 <canadiancow|work> anyway home time!
May 17 22:56:28 <gizero> Hi. How do I remove the Google search widget from the emulator home screen? I can't long-press it and move it to Remove like every other widget.
May 17 22:56:53 <g00s> hp to cut 30k jobs … doh
May 17 22:57:37 <ctate> gizero: in ICS?  It isn't a widget; it's built into Launcher, innit?
May 17 22:58:09 <gizero> ctate, Yeah, ICS. That's intrusive:-)
May 17 22:58:39 <ctate> g00s: i'm really fond of HP, only it's the part that now calls itself Agilent.  :)
May 17 23:00:55 <g00s> i wonder if this was because of EDS redundancies
May 17 23:01:04 <g00s> but that was a few years ago
May 17 23:01:23 <Ologn> people are buying smartphones and tablets more than HP netbooks and desktops
May 17 23:02:47 <pfn> 30k is a lot of jobs
May 17 23:02:52 <bankai_> well to be fair, no one ever bought HP anything anyway
May 17 23:04:02 <ctate> HP high-end PC workstations are not uncommon
May 17 23:04:07 <ctate> z600s z800s etc
May 17 23:04:21 <ctate> solid, very performant, reliable service
May 17 23:11:41 <readme> bankai_: printers
May 17 23:15:51 <readme> Is it possible to supply custom attributes to an Activity in XML?
May 17 23:27:15 <readme> nevermind, that wouldn't have been necessary.
May 17 23:27:37 <readme> should have asked my real question, because the answer turned out to be getTitle().
May 17 23:44:43 <johne5_home> hi, is this good room to get some basic android help?
May 17 23:45:06 <johne5_home> programming help?
May 17 23:45:41 <bankai_> channel and yes
May 17 23:45:58 <johne5_home> ok, cool
May 17 23:46:08 <bankai_> phew, that was easy
May 17 23:46:09 <bankai_> next!
May 17 23:46:25 <johne5_home> that's what i'm talking about!! lol
May 17 23:47:12 <johne5_home> so I created a layout with an "exit" button.  and got the clickListener stuff working
May 17 23:47:25 <canadiancow|work> no
May 17 23:47:27 <canadiancow|work> no exit button
May 17 23:47:40 <canadiancow|work> theres a back and home button for that
May 17 23:47:49 <ctate> ==canadiancow|work
May 17 23:47:56 <johne5_home> well good problem solved then!!!
May 17 23:48:04 <bankai_> wasn't there talk yesterday about 'exit' ?
May 17 23:48:11 <canadiancow|work> "talk"
May 17 23:48:12 <ctate> yeah; someone else iirc
May 17 23:48:16 <canadiancow|work> people talk about shit all the time
May 17 23:48:18 <canadiancow|work> it doesnt mean its good
May 17 23:48:24 <johne5_home> my question is about onDraw and canvas
May 17 23:48:52 <johne5_home> when i created an OnDraw it removed the layout with the exit button
May 17 23:49:04 <bankai_> talk about this one, i mean : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2033914/quitting-an-application-is-that-frowned-upon/2034238#2034238
May 17 23:50:55 <johne5_home> So my question is how do I add an Ondraw to a layout?
May 17 23:51:08 <ctate> typically layouts themselves don't draw
May 17 23:51:12 <johne5_home> regardless of what buttons I have in the layout
May 17 23:51:19 <ctate> they just hold views that do the drawing
May 17 23:52:06 <ctate> that said, you just override the layout class's onDraw() method and off you go, because a layout is a ViewGroup, and a ViewGroup is a View.
May 17 23:52:41 <ctate> also if you're trying to e.g. draw a background on it, note that many of the predefined layout implementations support specifying a background drawable via resources
May 17 23:53:10 <johne5_home> i'm move a small picture from side to side
May 17 23:53:22 <johne5_home> i'm trying to move a picture
May 18 00:00:50 <readme> yes, I specifically ranted about exit yesterday and how it is wrong.
May 18 00:00:51 <readme> :)
May 18 00:01:01 <readme> someone asked about it yesterday too
May 18 00:01:18 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2033914/quitting-an-application-is-that-frowned-upon/2034238#2034238
May 18 00:01:26 <canadiancow|work> ctate, a layout doens thave to be a viewgroup
May 18 00:01:31 <canadiancow|work> it can by a plain old view
May 18 00:03:03 <ctate> okay fair enough
May 18 00:03:40 <ctate> that's pretty unusual though
May 18 00:03:41 <ctate> all of the builtins are ViewGroups, iirc
May 18 00:04:02 <pfn> I think he means a layout xml?
May 18 00:04:12 * pfn shrugs
May 18 00:04:17 <johne5_home> yah, layout.xml
May 18 00:04:30 <pfn> a layout xml does not necessarily contain a viewgroup as its topmost element
May 18 00:09:55 <readme> code, y u work on 2.2 but no 2.3
May 18 00:10:16 <readme> I'm using this code to set a custom layout for the window title on 2.x
May 18 00:10:21 <readme> but it blows up on gingerbread
May 18 00:10:23 <readme> http://pastie.org/3928158
May 18 00:11:26 <readme> the exception is AndroidRuntimeException: you cannot combine custom title features
May 18 00:12:10 <readme> the line it occurs on, is the second (setContentView())
May 18 00:13:07 <ctate> what is requestWindowFeature() returning?
May 18 00:13:11 <ctate> it tells you whether it succeeded
May 18 00:13:49 <readme> true
May 18 00:13:54 <ctate> hm ok
May 18 00:14:02 <readme> is it possible that the parent impl of setContentView is requesting features too?
May 18 00:14:54 <ctate> ... conceivably?
May 18 00:14:57 <ctate> curious
May 18 00:15:03 <readme> same result when i take setContentView out
May 18 00:15:06 <readme> it just moves to the next line
May 18 00:15:44 <ctate> wrgh
May 18 00:15:44 * readme has to make this work. no way i'm editing like 10 xml layouts to add this
May 18 00:16:04 <JakeWharton> if you modify an extra on an activity's Intent (via getIntent) is that persisted to the backstack?
May 18 00:16:33 <ctate> JakeWharton: no
May 18 00:16:48 <ctate> what you get is a *copy* of the intent as known to the activity manager
May 18 00:17:08 <ctate> so if you get recreated or something your mods get lost
May 18 00:17:11 <ctate> do not rely on this
May 18 00:17:37 <ctate> think of it this way: you cannot change what the requestor asked for
May 18 00:17:43 <JakeWharton> yeah we see that with "Don't keep activities" setting
May 18 00:19:13 <readme> ctate: :( you ready to hear the real reason why it didn't work on '2.3'
May 18 00:19:17 <JakeWharton> we want to do something coming into the activity from higher up but we don't want to do it when you press back to go back to it
May 18 00:19:30 <readme> ctate: i forgot I was using ice cream sandwich, which has the actionbar enabled. *facepalm*
May 18 00:19:38 <readme> now, to test on actual 2.3
May 18 00:19:49 <ctate> readme:  ha ha ha
May 18 00:20:21 <ctate> first law of testing:  make sure you're testing what you think your'e testing
May 18 00:20:36 <ctate> it's scary how often people fail in this, especially when writing benchmarks
May 18 00:27:30 <AlCapwn> anyone how to position a imageview over an edittext, using a framelayout, so the edittext cursor never goes under the imageview?
May 18 00:27:49 <johne5_home> ok, how about this.  i'm loading an image via a layout.xml file - setContentView(R.layout.game); - so in the xml file there is an ImageView.  can a animate / move the image around the screen?
May 18 00:28:02 <AlCapwn> when the cursor hits imageview, that should the be cursor's limit
May 18 00:37:57 <spifff> AlCapwn, use a different layout so the edittext doesn't go underneath the imageview. or you can try playing with the padding of the edittext
May 18 00:38:19 <AlCapwn> spifff: i want the edittext below the imageview
May 18 00:38:35 <AlCapwn> the image is a small image on the side of the edittext
May 18 00:38:50 <readme> padding sounds like it could work
May 18 00:39:28 <readme> by below I presume you mean on the z-axis
May 18 00:39:36 <readme> in which case his padding suggestion sounds good
May 18 00:42:00 <spifff> AlCapwn, or have a look at setCompoundDrawables on the EditText itself. I've used that before to display a little error icon inside the edit text for validation
May 18 00:42:41 <AlCapwn> spifff: the image needs to clickable, can you set listener for drawables via that?
May 18 00:43:14 <spifff> no, drawables dont have event handlers. you'd have to catch the click on the edittext and see if its in the correct area
May 18 00:43:55 <spifff> are you trying to implement that iOS style (x) icon for clearing the edit text? ;-)
May 18 00:46:06 <AlCapwn> spifff: not quite, but your padding suggestion worked! Thanks :)
May 18 00:48:39 <readme> AlCapwn: you can get onClick from the ImageView
May 18 00:49:04 <readme> or any view
May 18 00:49:11 <AlCapwn> Yep
May 18 00:52:09 <AlCapwn> Are IMEs obliged to send any key events to an edittext? When I have a listview above an EditText and the EditText has focus, it doesn't receive TAB events in the stock keyboard, but it works with Hackers Keyboard
May 18 01:02:05 <g00s> http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=281:press-release-may-2012&catid=13&Itemid=357
May 18 01:02:15 <g00s> charts here : http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=205:acsi-scores-may&catid=14&Itemid=261
May 18 01:02:41 <g00s> "Motorola declines 5% to 73 and ties the aggregate of smaller manufacturers (-1%). This may be unwelcome news for Google as it hopes to make the most of its Motorola acquisition and widen the user base for its Android operating system. "
May 18 01:02:49 <g00s> OTOH, Samsung with huge sales ...
May 18 01:02:58 <g00s> Samsung, another company that relies heavily on Android, backtracks 4% to a below-average score of 71.
May 18 01:09:27 <Leeds> yay, weather!  ad views!
May 18 01:09:46 <g00s> Leeds: so global warming pays!
May 18 01:10:10 <readme> it pays al gore
May 18 01:10:38 <Leeds> readme: it pays me
May 18 01:10:41 <g00s> on a more serious note, from what i recall global warming causes more extreme storms
May 18 01:10:50 <ctate> yes
May 18 01:11:21 <readme> Leeds: 8-)
May 18 01:11:30 <readme> advertise sunglasses
May 18 01:11:45 <ctate> also, the actual climate scientists have all decided that we're already into "catastrophe" territory, but haven't really been saying it outright for fear of people scoffing and/or freezing up in terror
May 18 01:11:46 <Leeds> yeah, the 'correct term' is climate change - the effect is not so much a generalised warming as a less stable global climate
May 18 01:13:11 <g00s> ctate: yeah, i was reading a few days ago a climatologist from nasa - saying the evidence keeps accumulating, but public seems to become more skeptical.
May 18 01:13:23 <ctate> yeah.  it's pretty terrifying.
May 18 01:13:27 <readme> Even if global warming is a problem, the real issue is getting countries like china and india who are the heaviest polluters to stop.
May 18 01:13:30 <g00s> and than there is that huge methane generator in the arctic
May 18 01:13:59 <ctate> the permafrost feedback, yeah
May 18 01:14:49 <g00s> this is pretty amazing "Polar bears can swim for days, covering hundreds of miles of open water at a time, accoding to new GPS tracking data."
May 18 01:15:00 <g00s> they have to swim longer distances now , for several reasons
May 18 01:15:05 <readme> http://www.sunjournal.com/node/297089
May 18 01:15:15 <readme> not so fast. MIT climatologists have refuted this as well
May 18 01:15:22 <readme> it's not just the 'public' that is skeptical
May 18 01:15:56 <readme> my view is that climate change is happening, but it's also being abused as a political tool.
May 18 01:16:15 <Leeds> oh lord...
May 18 01:16:41 <readme> check out the article.
May 18 01:16:59 <g00s> wait, this was 2009
May 18 01:17:04 <g00s> i thought he changed his views
May 18 01:17:19 <Leeds> readme: for the record, my most popular app is one which shows weather warnings from the Hong Kong government as notifications, and shows ads against the details of the warning... so more weather means more ad views for me... that's *all* I meant
May 18 01:17:42 <readme> Leeds: oh, I know
May 18 01:17:48 <readme> I'm not attacking you.
May 18 01:17:50 <ctate> one stop shop: http://www.realclimate.org/
May 18 01:18:13 <Leeds> I did not intend to welcome politics into the channel...
May 18 01:18:18 <ctate> well, two stop.  http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
May 18 01:18:25 <ctate> and yeah okay sorry i took the ball and ran with it
May 18 01:18:31 <spifff> ADT is such a pile of crap...
May 18 01:18:40 <spifff> </rant>
May 18 01:18:51 <romainguy> it's not much of a rant
May 18 01:18:54 <readme> I will check those links out
May 18 01:19:13 <spifff> romainguy, i'm shaking my fists silently ;-)
May 18 01:19:13 <Leeds> ctate: NASA are just pushing it as a way to protect their massive bloated budget which amounts to about 1% of the military budget...
May 18 01:19:30 <Leeds> spifff: is someone forcing you to use it?
May 18 01:19:50 * readme has seen 'an inconvenient truth'
May 18 01:20:24 <spifff> Leeds, so nobody is allowed to complain about anything that's free? I'm pretty sure Google has quite an interest in having people develop for Android
May 18 01:20:45 <Leeds> spifff: erm... wtf?  I was just saying that if you dislike it, there are other options
May 18 01:20:52 <spifff> Leeds, ah ok
May 18 01:21:12 <Leeds> I've (more-or-less) happily developed for Android for years, without ever installing Eclipse
May 18 01:21:21 <readme> what do you use
May 18 01:21:26 <spifff> Leeds, my bad. I'm actually using Maven primarily, but I still like to write code in an IDE with modern conveniences like autocomplete and refactoring
May 18 01:21:27 <t0mless> Leeds is a true man
May 18 01:21:29 <readme> SDK tools & favorite editor?
May 18 01:21:31 <t0mless> he uses vim
May 18 01:21:35 <romainguy> spifff: eh, at least you can use ADT :)
May 18 01:21:39 <readme> but how do you preview layout graphically
May 18 01:21:47 <t0mless> run it on a device?
May 18 01:21:59 <t0mless> or have confidence in your xml skillz?
May 18 01:22:20 <readme> I can write a normal layout blindfolded, but most apps I do require some stupid skinning
May 18 01:22:30 <Leeds> correct... vim, XML, test on device and emulator
May 18 01:22:43 <t0mless> yea, I use the visual preview in intelliJ sometimes
May 18 01:22:46 <readme> actually I'm not even using the layout previewer right now
May 18 01:23:01 <readme> I'm just running it on the device :)
May 18 01:23:03 <t0mless> but mostly just write my xml
May 18 01:23:11 <readme> i code all xml by hand
May 18 01:23:17 <t0mless> and then when it looks funky on the device I check the preview
May 18 01:23:18 <readme> i am terrible at using guis
May 18 01:23:24 <t0mless> heh
May 18 01:23:27 <t0mless> I like doing the xml by hand
May 18 01:23:28 <spifff> i just write the XML in eclipse.. never really use the previews
May 18 01:24:32 <Leeds> also, the impression I get is that ADT is *much* better than it was, for whatever that's worth :)
May 18 01:25:10 <t0mless> also, ADT != ADT Plugin for Eclipse
May 18 01:25:20 <Leeds> anyway, today I am mainly doing django, which means python and javascript - the former, at least, being a lot more enjoyable than Java
May 18 01:25:27 <t0mless> you don't have to use the ddms/heirarchy viewer views in eclipse
May 18 01:25:47 <readme> Leeds: i enjoy writing python in vim, inside tmux, with smarttab & pyflakes
May 18 01:25:57 <spifff> Leeds, the one feature I'd really like to have is bundled apklib dependencies working with m2e... having to check out the source of each dependency and having ADT compile from that rather than the actual dependency is pretty lame
May 18 01:26:00 <readme> much more enjoyable than working in eclipse, but, I like android, so whatever.
May 18 01:26:34 <t0mless> I actually didn't mind eclipse for the most part when I used it
May 18 01:26:42 <t0mless> It never gave me huge problems
May 18 01:26:48 <t0mless> but I must say I do like IntelliJ better
May 18 01:27:24 <g00s> readme: interesting article on Lindzen http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/science/earth/clouds-effect-on-climate-change-is-last-bastion-for-dissenters.html
May 18 01:28:29 <ctate> oh god him.  http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/03/misrepresentation-from-lindzen/
May 18 01:28:47 <g00s> yeah, i thought that name was familiar
May 18 01:32:50 <readme> Well there is more for me to mull over.
May 18 01:33:31 <readme> I am not thoroughly convinced it is caused by human action.
May 18 01:34:20 <ctate> that you are not thoroughly convinced demonstrates the triumph of the disinformation campaign
May 18 01:34:32 <ctate> seriously, nobody honest who knows the actual science involved has any doubts
May 18 01:34:49 <ctate> anyway, i am going to shut up about it now
May 18 01:34:59 <readme> I'll look into it more.
May 18 01:46:18 <Gumboot> I think we should deny really emphatically that lunar eclipses are caused by human action and see what happens.
May 18 01:47:27 <readme> just to be clear, I haven't denied anything. I've just not yet accepted the viewpoint.
May 18 01:47:35 <readme> but I see what you are saying.
May 18 01:49:00 * AlCapwn pokes romainguy 
May 18 01:50:07 <romainguy> no
May 18 01:50:29 <AlCapwn> romainguy: :(
May 18 01:51:20 <AlCapwn> You wouldn't happen to know why when I have a listview above an edittext the edittext doesn't receive tab key events from the stock vk?
May 18 02:01:07 <g00s> this iPhone will be the last one jobs worked on personally. wonder what will happen after that :O
May 18 02:01:42 <Leeds> I don't think he ever spent time in Shenzhen
May 18 02:01:50 <g00s> hehe
May 18 02:02:54 <komugi> g00s - i don't really think it'll be too much diff
May 18 02:03:07 <komugi> i think it'll mainly keep the same resolution, bigger screen, lowering dpi
May 18 02:03:16 <g00s> supposedly a big departure from the current design
May 18 02:03:36 <komugi> i guess
May 18 02:03:45 <komugi> but how much can you really do with a slab that is 90% screen
May 18 02:04:00 <komugi> pretty much all phones look the same to me
May 18 02:04:32 <g00s> eventually, all tablets and phones will become a flexible sheet of plastic or glass … before they disappear altogether into something else using retina projection :D
May 18 02:04:50 <komugi> screw retina projection
May 18 02:04:59 <komugi> neuro link
May 18 02:05:05 <komugi> project it directly into your eyes
May 18 02:05:11 <g00s> i'm very excited about this i/o talk https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/gooio2012/106/
May 18 02:05:31 <komugi> I'm kinda excited about multiple nexus devices
May 18 02:05:32 <g00s> hopefully it will answer all of my existential android questions pent up over the last 2 years
May 18 02:05:34 <komugi> sold directly from google
May 18 02:05:58 <g00s> komugi: didn't go so well last time, not sure why this would be different
May 18 02:06:07 <g00s> they would have to up their customer service game
May 18 02:06:09 <Leeds> http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/05/how-microsoft-lost-the-future.html - Tomi, who is a bit of a nutter, reckons more new Android devices will be sold this year than more new Windows devices...
May 18 02:06:13 <komugi> well, i mean having multiple devices
May 18 02:06:18 <komugi> not the sold directly from google part
May 18 02:06:32 <komugi> so like, htc makes one, sony makes one, asus makes one, samsung makes one, motorola makes one
May 18 02:06:33 <komugi> etc
May 18 02:06:58 <komugi> though if google ultimately dicates the hardware specs, I wonder how the manufacturers are going to differentiate between them
May 18 02:07:14 <g00s> there was an excellent article on fierce developer a week ago about the prospects of windows phone; it really depends on how well apollo is received in q4 this year
May 18 02:07:18 <komugi> since I doubt google wants to support 5 different hardware
May 18 02:07:25 <g00s> actually, there are a lot of complicated factors
May 18 02:07:36 <komugi> Lumia is climbing marketshare, slowly.
May 18 02:07:53 <komugi> I actually really liked WP7
May 18 02:10:15 <g00s> i really really wish google would give us some basic roadmap on android; right now i have to decide whether i should start developing for windows phone 8 because it will have BT 4 LP support / api; but I have no idea if Jelly Bean will. and even if it does, JB wouldn't even have much penetration until 2013 likely
May 18 02:10:17 <readme> hm, I'm setting a gradient drawable as the background
May 18 02:10:21 <readme> but it appears to repeat itself many times
May 18 02:10:24 <readme> I expected it to stretch
May 18 02:10:40 <readme> http://pastie.org/3928503
May 18 02:10:54 <readme> if I set that as a layout's background, should it stretch, or repeat?
May 18 02:11:01 <t0mless> so weird... sometimes IRC opens just an about:blank page when I click links
May 18 02:11:01 <readme> or is what I'm seeing the interpolation?
May 18 02:11:05 <t0mless> other times it will actually open
May 18 02:12:01 <readme> is it deterministic for the same link, or can the result change by clicking the same link multiple times
May 18 02:12:41 <t0mless> that pastie link went to blank on first click, opened on second and just went to blank again when I tried it
May 18 02:13:07 <t0mless> then just succeeded 4 times in a row
May 18 02:13:16 <t0mless> It's just quite odd
May 18 02:13:23 <readme> sounds like a race condition
May 18 02:15:49 <t0mless> I could believe that
May 18 02:16:32 <JavaDog> I have a String passed from one activity to another with a "newIntent.putExtra("index",stringVar);", but I need to access this string from a Fragment within the new activity. How can I do that?
May 18 02:16:39 * readme doesn't have clickable links because he's running irssi in an xterm.
May 18 02:17:18 <gaz`> hmm i get a very odd error showing a dialog, looks like a lot of asm or machine code then says commiting suicide to free the zombie!
May 18 02:17:42 <t0mless> JavaDog either pass the bundle from the Intent to the fragment's setArguments() when you create it
May 18 02:17:53 <t0mless> JavaDog or use getActivity().getIntnet()
May 18 02:18:10 <t0mless> I would say the first one would be better
May 18 02:18:31 <JavaDog> That does sound good, thanks :)
May 18 02:18:44 <SMlLe> hi
May 18 02:18:57 <SMlLe> how can i do for my application be launched pressing search button continously?
May 18 02:19:37 <t0mless> good question, that would depend on each OEM I think
May 18 02:20:00 <jeppy> SMlLe, that would be something the user sets in the system. also search buttons are no longer standard
May 18 02:20:01 <SMlLe> like a vlingo
May 18 02:20:14 <t0mless> SoundHound does it apparently
May 18 02:20:19 <t0mless> must be some intent you can listen for
May 18 02:20:53 <t0mless> now I kind of want to pull the soundhound apk and look at their manifest
May 18 02:21:18 <SMlLe> i think i should add something in my manifest for say to android os that my application offer this service
May 18 02:21:45 <t0mless> Yea, you'd need an intent filter listening for the right intent
May 18 02:21:54 <SMlLe> but i don't know how to make it
May 18 02:22:25 <SMlLe> t0mless: ok
May 18 02:23:38 <SMlLe> i'll search about intent filter listening and after i'll search what is the correct intent
May 18 02:23:41 <SMlLe> thenks
May 18 02:23:48 <SMlLe> thanks
May 18 02:26:02 <readme> does anyone know how shapedrawable's <gradient> does interpolation between its startColor and endColor?
May 18 02:29:44 <romainguy> readme: just linear interpolation of the individual color channels
May 18 02:30:28 <readme> I've got something potentially more interesting to ask now
May 18 02:31:44 <readme> ever see anything like this http://imgur.com/b1mCX?
May 18 02:32:02 <readme> my theory is that it's occuring because I've set the textview background to #00000000 (for transparent, of course)
May 18 02:32:10 <readme> this is a 2.2 device, droid 1.
May 18 02:33:06 <t0mless> ( SMlLe ): http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_SEARCH_LONG_PRESS
May 18 02:33:27 <romainguy> readme: it's that good old bug
May 18 02:33:32 <romainguy> try #01000000
May 18 02:35:00 <readme> romainguy: \o/ you are the man
May 18 02:35:11 <readme> I would not even have been able to put that into words to search it
May 18 02:35:31 <romainguy> yeah that one is totally my fault
May 18 02:35:38 <romainguy> partially fixed in Honeycomb
May 18 02:35:46 <readme> haha
May 18 02:35:49 <romainguy> and totally fixed in ICS
May 18 02:35:53 <romainguy> or more partially fixed in ICS
May 18 02:35:57 <romainguy> definitely totally fixed in J
May 18 02:36:04 <readme> fixed in 'accuconference' too :)
May 18 02:36:58 <romainguy> actually
May 18 02:37:09 <romainguy> instead of #01000000, try #00000100
May 18 02:37:14 <romainguy> it should be faster to draw
May 18 02:37:19 <romainguy> and still fix the problem
May 18 02:37:40 <JavaDog> t0mless: On my question earlier, how do I access the bundle I've passed itto the fragment?
May 18 02:37:42 <JavaDog> into*
May 18 02:38:00 <t0mless> getArguments()
May 18 02:38:01 <jeppy> JavaDog, getArguments
May 18 02:38:33 <JavaDog> Oh, I feel dumb
May 18 02:38:45 <readme> romainguy: less shifts?
May 18 02:39:05 <baradasahu> Hi, Am facing an issue with getting my mediaPlayer to play media files stored on internal/external storage.. Issue described at : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10640063/android-mediaplayer-unable-to-play-media-file-from-local-storage
May 18 02:39:12 <baradasahu> Appreciate some help here
May 18 02:39:35 <SMlLe> thenks t0mless
May 18 02:40:36 <SMlLe> thanks
May 18 02:47:08 <t0mless> hrm, baradasahu according to http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaPlayer.html error with value of 1 is MEDIA_ERROR_UNKNOWN
May 18 02:49:03 <t0mless> baradasahu and by looking at that state diagram
May 18 02:49:29 <t0mless> i don't think you'll ever have your onPrepared start called unless you use .prepareAsync()
May 18 02:49:35 <t0mless> but maybe I'm making an assumption there
May 18 02:49:56 <t0mless> but you should also probably assign your PreparedListener before calling .prepare()
May 18 02:51:22 <baradasahu> Lemme try that but I think onPrepared start does get invoked from the sequence of logs
May 18 02:51:58 <g00s> romainguy confirms it: 'J'
May 18 02:52:05 <g00s> \o/
May 18 02:52:46 <g00s> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/05/17/2233254/android-hackers-honing-skills-in-russia
May 18 02:55:32 <readme> we need to make a custom rom that has every android bug in it
May 18 02:55:37 <readme> the ds9k of android development
May 18 02:55:47 <baradasahu> In fact I think this is where I see an issue at : bufferCount (4) is too small and increased to 12
May 18 02:56:28 <JakeWharton> I'm pretty sure J has come after I for a long time
May 18 02:57:34 <readme> I ice cream sandwich
May 18 02:58:16 * Gumboot reads 'ice' as a verb, there.
May 18 02:58:29 <t0mless> That poor sandwich...
May 18 02:59:01 <Gumboot> So who invented alphabetical order, anyway?
May 18 02:59:50 <t0mless> Chuck Norris
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