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May 28 03:06:39 <b1n0ry> how do i get my main project to reference the library project?
May 28 03:06:49 <JakeWharton> right click > module settings
May 28 03:07:05 <JakeWharton> dependencies tab
May 28 03:07:08 <JakeWharton> add button at the bottom
May 28 03:07:17 <b1n0ry> i did that part
May 28 03:07:37 <b1n0ry> error: cannot find symbol class SherlockActivity
May 28 03:15:42 <b1n0ry> do i have to do something in project structure > libraries?
May 28 03:19:37 <b1n0ry> ah, crud. i didn't realize that intellij didn't auto import like eclipse does.
May 28 03:19:49 <b1n0ry> hadn't imported the abs sherlockactivity
May 28 03:19:53 <JakeWharton> haha
May 28 03:20:06 <JakeWharton> it does for me
May 28 03:20:10 <b1n0ry> even a noob like me *facepalm*
May 28 03:20:20 <b1n0ry> auto imports?
May 28 03:20:26 <JakeWharton> when i'm typing
May 28 03:20:40 <b1n0ry> usually, with eclipse, it red underscores, i right click and do 'import ... whatever'
May 28 03:20:54 <b1n0ry> in this case, it red underscored... but no options
May 28 03:21:06 <b1n0ry> might be a setting somewhere
May 28 03:22:44 <b1n0ry> found it... 'add unambiguous imports on the fly'
May 28 03:23:07 <b1n0ry> settings >> editor >> auto import
May 28 03:23:13 <JakeWharton> if it's ambitious you just hit alt+enter
May 28 03:23:17 <JakeWharton> anywhere on the line
May 28 03:23:34 <JakeWharton> and it'll prompt
May 28 03:24:00 <b1n0ry> ok, good to know, thanks! i'm sure it'll take a bit of a learning curve after using eclipse for so long (i use eclipse for much more than android dev)
May 28 03:24:09 <b1n0ry> been using eclipse itself for years
May 28 03:28:36 <JakeWharton> yeah I basically just jumped in
May 28 03:28:40 <JakeWharton> got rid of Eclipse altogether
May 28 03:28:47 <JakeWharton> sucked for a week, but you start getting the hang of it
May 28 03:29:23 <x117> testing
May 28 03:30:16 <b1n0ry> where do i see logcat?
May 28 03:30:31 <b1n0ry> for some reason, i can't resolve any of the sherlock resources (e.g. @style/Theme.Sherlock)
May 28 03:30:48 <b1n0ry> so i've got an instantiation of SherlockActivity with no Theme, apparently
May 28 03:31:11 <b1n0ry> methinks that the association between my project and abs isn't quite complete
May 28 03:31:35 <JakeWharton> view > tool windows > android
May 28 03:32:46 <b1n0ry> "You must use Theme.Sherlock, Theme.Sherlock.Light, Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar, or a derivative" <-- yep, as i suspected
May 28 03:32:50 <b1n0ry> thanks :)
May 28 03:32:59 <b1n0ry> now to figure out why i can't see those
May 28 03:34:49 <b1n0ry> i notice in my eclipse project, /gen gets a com.actionbarsherlock
May 28 03:34:59 <b1n0ry> in my intellij project, /gen doesn't have that
May 28 03:40:30 <x117> whats the use of HandlerThread
May 28 03:44:58 <b1n0ry> alright, i'm stumped. apparently i can build against the ABS library. but i can't resolve any resources within it.
May 28 03:45:15 <b1n0ry> android:theme="@style/Theme.Sherlock" is invalid
May 28 04:02:50 <pfn> then you're not building agianst the abs library
May 28 04:03:23 <b1n0ry> you would think. seems i have no problem with things like "extends SherlockActivity"...
May 28 04:04:15 <b1n0ry> need to get some coding done, though, so switched back to eclipse for now
May 28 04:04:27 <b1n0ry> i'll figure it out eventually
May 28 04:05:16 <b1n0ry> i guess i could try importing a working framework project into intellij from eclipse and see what's different...
May 28 04:10:58 <shoenig> does someone know how to reference the content of one xml file from another xml file?
May 28 04:14:43 <b1n0ry> yeah... think i'm giving this up for now... i imported it and now all that looks good, but the debugger won't let me select any modules
May 28 04:14:57 <b1n0ry> s.c.r.e.w it for now
May 28 04:23:03 <devslash> when you do my string.substring(0,4) is the second parameter the number of characters to get or the index to stop at  ?
May 28 04:24:20 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/String.html#substring(int, int)
May 28 04:24:36 <devslash> i read that
May 28 04:25:25 <devslash> my code doesn't seem to be working. i have a string with a date "2012-05-27 14:21" tmp.substring(5,6) doesn't return the proper value
May 28 04:25:38 <Cptnodegard> This Q is sort of dev related, sort of not. I'm not  dev butI have a feeling this would be easy for one. I want to use Tasker to open the new task screen of Astrid. Astrid has an intent for that, com.todoroo.astrid.activity.TaskEditActivity. Tasker has a Send Intent feature which has fields for Action, Category, Mime Type, Data, Extra, Package, Class, and Target. Can anyone intuit from
May 28 04:25:38 <Cptnodegard> that what needs to go where? If it helps, I can get ADW launcher to add an icon that will correctly trigger this and open the task edit screen. The onclick action it uses appears to be Intent;action=android.intent.action.MAIN;category=android.intent.category.LAUNCHER;component=com.timsu.astrid/com.todoroo.astrid.activity.TaskEditActivity. I can also get this working in Tasker via plugins,
May 28 04:25:38 <Cptnodegard> but then lose the data input field. In that case the exported Tasker action contains this: <intent>#Intent;action=android.intent.action.VIEW;component=com.timsu.astrid/com.todoroo.astrid.activity.TaskEditActivity;end</intent>
May 28 04:26:53 <JakeWharton> devslash: that would return "0"
May 28 04:26:57 <devslash> why
May 28 04:27:00 <devslash> oh
May 28 04:27:03 <devslash> because 05
May 28 04:27:13 <devslash> oops
May 28 04:27:22 <devslash> I'm using Integer.parseInt on the returned value
May 28 04:28:10 <devslash> why would it return 0
May 28 04:28:34 <JakeWharton> because you're only getting one character
May 28 04:28:42 <JakeWharton> and that character is 0
May 28 04:28:53 <devslash> why ?
May 28 04:29:05 <devslash> i want to get 05
May 28 04:29:21 <JakeWharton> then you should be using substring(5, 7)
May 28 04:29:57 <JakeWharton> the first param is inclusive and the second is exclusive
May 28 04:30:15 <bankai_> isn't substring include substring(5,7) would be getting 5,6,7; not 6,7
May 28 04:30:28 <JakeWharton> no
May 28 04:30:32 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/String.html#substring(int, int)
May 28 04:30:45 <JakeWharton> read the params
May 28 04:31:04 <JakeWharton> and/or the return section
May 28 04:31:39 <bankai_> that's different from java's 1.4.2 API String.substring(int,int) .. :S interesting ...
May 28 04:32:41 <JakeWharton> false
May 28 04:32:42 <JakeWharton> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/lang/String.html#substring(int, int)
May 28 04:33:14 <bankai_> so the example is wrong then ?
May 28 04:33:22 <bankai_> oh i'm an idiot and can't read then
May 28 04:33:28 <bankai_> *ducks and pretends he didn't say anything*
May 28 04:34:57 <JakeWharton> they can be worded in misleading ways
May 28 04:51:02 <g00s> hm. "Facebook is drawing upon former Apple engineers who worked on the iPhone and the iPad to develop its own phone, according to a new report."
May 28 04:51:12 <g00s> uh ...
May 28 04:51:29 <g00s> i can't even
May 28 04:54:14 <b1n0ry> JakeWharton, excellent work on the tabbing on ABS. it's going to do what i want it to do perfectly.
May 28 04:54:23 <cactux> is it possible to turn on/off the mouse cursor on adroid, from the command line (adb)?
May 28 04:54:28 <JakeWharton> awesome
May 28 04:54:30 <JakeWharton> glad to hear it
May 28 04:54:33 <cactux> in ICS
May 28 04:55:03 <b1n0ry> almost (not not quite) a tab activity drop-in. looks easier to deal with than the android-dev docs recommend
May 28 04:55:39 <cactux> I know that that can be done i settings> developer options >pointer location
May 28 04:55:41 <JakeWharton> never used a tab activity so i can't speak to how easy it would be to convert
May 28 04:55:43 <devslash> JakeWharton: i have an sql table. one of the fields is defined as string and contains date in the format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM. if i do order by datefield, will it properly sort by date or will it sort incorrectly since it contains strings
May 28 04:55:58 <cactux> but I do not know how to do that in the command line
May 28 04:56:17 <b1n0ry> tabactivity was nice but i'm noticing odd behavior with it. e.g. orientation change impacts all tab activities...
May 28 04:56:21 <JakeWharton> devslash: sqlite?
May 28 04:56:24 <b1n0ry> probably one of the reasons for deprication
May 28 04:56:43 <JakeWharton> sqlite has no concept of dates
May 28 04:56:46 <devslash> yes
May 28 04:57:02 <JakeWharton> it knows about integers, reals, text, and blobs
May 28 04:57:14 <JakeWharton> any other type is coerced into one of those values
May 28 04:57:22 <JakeWharton> i would recommend storing dates as integers
May 28 04:57:26 <JakeWharton> perhaps seconds since the epoch
May 28 04:57:51 <alex_PP> devslash, in that format it should sort ok
May 28 04:58:02 <alex_PP> but, as jake said, a number would be nicer
May 28 04:58:10 <JakeWharton> oh yeah, that format would sort
May 28 04:58:37 <nism> 
ACTION 

May 28 04:58:37 <JakeWharton> assuming 24-hour format
May 28 04:58:46 <pragma-> 
ACTION 

May 28 04:59:13 <devslash> yes
May 28 05:00:00 <b1n0ry> devslash, http://www.roseindia.net/java/java-conversion/DateToTimestamp.shtml
May 28 05:00:52 <b1n0ry> write up a nice little static class to do back and forth conversion between java date and unix timestamp (if you can't find one already made)... and problem solved :)
May 28 05:01:50 <b1n0ry> crap, i realized i have a show tomorrow...
May 28 05:02:29 <b1n0ry> ah well, not like i haven't done this one 50 times already. who needs sleep anyway?
May 28 05:03:22 <devslash> shit its not working
May 28 05:26:28 <symptom> if I build and app can I just post it on my website for someone to download?
May 28 05:26:36 <JakeWharton> yes
May 28 05:26:41 <JakeWharton> you still need to sign it, but yes
May 28 05:27:20 <symptom> ok  any links on how to self sign?
May 28 05:27:31 <symptom> trying to do this without a developer account.
May 28 05:27:43 <pragma-> you /could/ just use the debug key
May 28 05:27:54 <symptom> I just built a quick app that I want to throw up on my site real quick for friends to DL
May 28 05:30:44 <symptom> looks like from reading https://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html that eclipse users might be all set with the debug signing...
May 28 05:31:00 <JakeWharton> right click > android > export signed package
May 28 05:31:06 <JakeWharton> if you haven't created a keystone you can through that dialog
May 28 05:31:17 <JakeWharton> and I would HIGHLY recommend creating one and NOT using the debug keystore
May 28 05:31:25 <JakeWharton> just keep track of it and keep track of the password
May 28 05:33:11 <symptom> JakeWharton, What do I right click on?
May 28 05:33:23 <JakeWharton> you're kidding right?
May 28 05:33:26 <JakeWharton> i can't see your screen
May 28 05:33:42 <JakeWharton> need moar info!
May 28 05:33:56 <symptom> project
May 28 05:33:57 <symptom> found it
May 28 05:34:00 <JakeWharton> also, I don't use Eclipse so I probably won't be of too much help with Eclipse-related things
May 28 05:34:11 <JakeWharton> oh yeah, my bad
May 28 05:34:30 * JakeWharton mumbles something about Eclipse and wanders off
May 28 05:35:52 <symptom> "A 25 year certificate validity is recommended." What?  Hell NO!
May 28 05:36:16 <JakeWharton> i use 50
May 28 05:36:32 <JakeWharton> you don't ever want your cert to expire
May 28 05:37:10 <pragma-> symptom: yeah, it costs like $0 bucks a year, so 25 years can be pretty expensive for some people
May 28 05:37:42 <JakeWharton> #PoorPeopleProblems
May 28 05:37:44 <symptom> JakeWharton, I dont know if I agree with that.... Some PKI infrastructures depend on certificate expiration
May 28 05:38:15 <JakeWharton> well Android is dependent on it not expiring
May 28 05:38:23 <JakeWharton> it will be a headache for all involved if yours ever does
May 28 05:38:41 <alex_PP> i lost one in a hdd failure
May 28 05:38:42 <alex_PP> whoops
May 28 05:39:21 <alex_PP> only a small personal app though, so not a huge issue
May 28 05:45:09 <JakeWharton> I did what any sane developer would do...
May 28 05:45:22 <JakeWharton> hexdump'd the contents and got it tattooed on my body
May 28 05:45:34 <alex_PP> very wise
May 28 05:45:49 <alex_PP> unless you're in a massive motorcycle crash, or similar
May 28 05:46:59 <JakeWharton> well then hopefully the one I have on an SD Card on my desk will be sufficient :)
May 28 05:48:27 <pragma-> I have my key on two separate harddrives, at least
May 28 05:48:49 <pragma-> but they're both in the same room
May 28 05:49:11 <JakeWharton> what if the earth blows up pragma-?
May 28 05:49:12 <symptom> If it expires what do you loose?  Cant update it without full reinstall?  anything else?
May 28 05:49:14 <JakeWharton> you're screwed
May 28 05:49:34 <JakeWharton> symptom: if you ever publish to a market you have to change the package name
May 28 05:49:40 <symptom> btw got my app up, downloaded and installed properly... Thanks for the help
May 28 05:50:02 <symptom> JakeWharton, Oh.  Yea that would suck.
May 28 05:50:10 <b1n0ry> this is good... although yeah, it's my 8th rewrite, i'm starting to get the hang of things and it's really starting to work properly.
May 28 05:50:12 <b1n0ry> you guys rock.
May 28 05:50:50 <JakeWharton> i'm fond of rolling
May 28 05:51:07 <b1n0ry> JakeWharton rolls. Everyone else rocks.
May 28 05:51:37 <JakeWharton> trolling, too
May 28 05:51:47 <b1n0ry> yeah, but who doesn't like that?
May 28 05:52:21 <JakeWharton> true story
May 28 05:52:54 <JakeWharton> man, i had a perfectly working StackView widget last week
May 28 05:53:02 <JakeWharton> rebased the branch on the latest master and now it doesn't do a single thing
May 28 05:54:00 <JakeWharton> nevermind
May 28 05:54:02 * JakeWharton <-- idiot
May 28 05:56:58 <symptom> thanks again
May 28 06:01:38 * pragma- ponders the situation
May 28 06:01:40 <pragma-> http://code.google.com/p/roboguice/
May 28 06:05:24 <b1n0ry> JakeWharton, is it ok to use ABS in commerical applications? any special licensing i need to be aware of?
May 28 06:05:34 <JakeWharton> yes. no. it's apache 2
May 28 06:05:51 <b1n0ry> ty
May 28 06:20:49 <JakeWharton> I have a StackView in a widget and I'm firing off async image downloads when I can't synchronously fetch one from the filesystem
May 28 06:20:58 <JakeWharton> how do I then invalidate it so the view is recreated?
May 28 06:26:33 <giraffeslacks> hi guys.
May 28 06:28:02 <giraffeslacks> i'm trying to do a very basic thing and i'm failing. i've setup two buttons on my main activity. both buttons use listen for a listen and then open a new activity: SCREEN2 and SCREEN3 respectively.
May 28 06:28:16 <giraffeslacks> that part works.
May 28 06:28:47 <giraffeslacks> on screen2 i'm trying to send the user to another screen. this part fails. i added the relevant code with a stack trace here: http://pastebin.com/wEZ2NmzU
May 28 06:29:42 <giraffeslacks> i don't understand the error of "java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.buttercorp.testproject/com.buttercorp.testproject.Screen2}: java.lang.NullPointerException" because this only happens when i add lines 83-91 in screen2.java.
May 28 06:30:10 <giraffeslacks> that is, if those lines i missing i can move to screen2 without a problem (which is where i press another button to try to go to screen3). when those lines are added i cannot even make it to screen2.
May 28 06:30:43 <giraffeslacks> i don't see how that block is interfering with my transition to screen2. if there was a problem i would expect it to appear when i pressed the button on screen2.
May 28 06:34:24 <`z> DOESN'T MATTER HAD SEX
May 28 06:34:39 <Zider> ew.
May 28 06:34:43 <Zider> TMI
May 28 06:45:26 <vavirta> which causes the nullpointerexception?
May 28 06:46:14 <b1n0ry> almost anything, typically something somewhere is expecting a value and instead it's getting a null
May 28 06:46:56 <b1n0ry> without further information it's like "illegal operation" in windows. doesn't mean much by itself.
May 28 06:47:16 <vavirta> Heh, I was asking from giraffeslacks
May 28 06:47:58 <vavirta> looking your stacktrace, which line is screen2.java:23? (too lazy to count from pastebin)
May 28 06:48:02 <b1n0ry> oh, i thought you were asking in general. sorry for misunderstanding!
May 28 06:48:14 <vavirta> heh, no problem :P
May 28 06:49:06 <vavirta> If the line 23 is line 81 in pastebin, it could be that android can't find your button_to_screen2
May 28 06:49:58 <vavirta> which could be the reason, because your are using button_to_screen2 in your main-layout. Then again in screen2 you are trying to find button_to_screen2, but now your content is R.layout.screen2
May 28 06:50:19 <vavirta> Does R.layout.screen2 has the button_to_screen2=
May 28 06:52:11 <nism> I see that the stacktrace also shows its unable to start a componentinfo../screen2
May 28 06:53:56 <GuySoft> Aeefire I woke up to find the phone stuck at book. whatr ever I did it froze when flashing on odin (no progress bar). it died when i tried flashing a new PIT file
May 28 06:54:18 <vavirta> nism: yep, but the reason is the nullpointer on line 23 in screen2.java
May 28 07:00:39 <b1n0ry> any big advantages to using AndroidHttpClient vs. Default apache?
May 28 07:01:12 <b1n0ry> i know in sdk 13 you can take advantage of http caching
May 28 07:01:37 <b1n0ry> so before that is the question
May 28 07:02:25 <JakeWharton> there's a blog post about it
May 28 07:02:43 <JakeWharton> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html
May 28 07:04:40 <g00s> i'll never forget that huge fuckup HTC did with the HttpClient socket buffer size on the Thunderbolt
May 28 07:05:22 <b1n0ry> thanks JakeWharton
May 28 07:05:34 <jgalt> will adb work on both rooted and non rooted devices?
May 28 07:05:39 <JakeWharton> jgalt: yes
May 28 07:06:28 <`z> DOESN'T MATTER HAD SEX
May 28 07:06:49 <g00s> `z: you're not a virgin anymore ?
May 28 07:06:56 <`z> no
May 28 07:07:17 <g00s> hehe
May 28 07:07:26 <JakeWharton> poorly phrased question leads to ambiguous answer
May 28 07:07:54 <jgalt> so what does rooting get ya then?  just curious as I'm just starting here but possibly from a unique position as my dev platform is the beagle bone, not a commercial retail phone platform.
May 28 07:08:48 <g00s> from a dev persective, being able to see your apps provate files
May 28 07:09:01 <g00s> database, etc. its easier to debug that way
May 28 07:11:46 <jgalt> Thanks, guess I'll have to poke about a rooted vs non rooted ver to see the differences.  I think the TI gingerbread image comes pre-rooted as it's targeted toward devs.  thanks for the help
May 28 07:25:11 <droidDev32> I am trying to create a mediaplayer app. I am looking around at some open source code and I am seeing that some are binding the service with the mediaplayer in it with the activity that has the play controls and they are using aidl. What does that allow that just using intents would not?
May 28 07:27:30 <thepoosh> Good Morning all
May 28 07:28:06 <thepoosh> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10780413/error-inflating-class-android-support-v4-view-viewpager
May 28 07:28:09 <thepoosh> any thoughts?
May 28 07:28:46 <pragma-> thepoosh: viewpager works fine on sdk 4+
May 28 07:28:55 <pragma-> maybe even 3, not sure
May 28 07:29:00 <thepoosh> I have a newer SDK
May 28 07:29:06 <thepoosh> and it doesnt work
May 28 07:29:09 <thepoosh> so....
May 28 07:29:37 <thepoosh> that was the basis for my question
May 28 07:30:07 <pragma-> do you have the support-v4.jar or support-v13.jar in your apk?
May 28 07:30:28 <thepoosh> I tried both, have you read the question?
May 28 07:30:46 <thepoosh> it's all written in there
May 28 07:30:58 <JakeWharton> um, no that fact was not included
May 28 07:31:03 <hrnt> thepoosh: you are talking about importing
May 28 07:31:07 <hrnt> that is not the same thing
May 28 07:31:26 <JakeWharton> ensure that the support library .jar is exported in your compilation classpath
May 28 07:31:31 <thepoosh> I tried using all the different possibilities
May 28 07:32:07 <JakeWharton> did you unzip your APK and make sure its .class is included?
May 28 07:32:39 <thepoosh> i tried downloading this: http://code.google.com/p/viewpagerexample/downloads/list
May 28 07:32:49 <thepoosh> and i have the support.v4 in the build path
May 28 07:32:54 <thepoosh> but still nothing
May 28 07:33:16 <thepoosh> "android.support.v4.view.ViewPager cannot be recognized"
May 28 07:33:37 <Knossos> They mean you should open up the APK manually
May 28 07:33:52 <Knossos> To check that it has actually entered your APK
May 28 07:33:54 <thepoosh> what?!
May 28 07:34:09 <thepoosh> how can I open the .apk?
May 28 07:34:10 <Knossos> unzip the APK
May 28 07:34:17 <Knossos> Open it with winrar or something similar
May 28 07:34:18 <JakeWharton> the class loader isn't finding the classes in the support library
May 28 07:34:21 <JakeWharton> ew winrar
May 28 07:34:27 <Knossos> :D
May 28 07:34:43 <Zider> what's wrong with winrar?
May 28 07:36:13 <JakeWharton> the same things that's wrong with AOL
May 28 07:37:45 <Zider> that doesn't make sense
May 28 07:37:53 <Zider> (also, I don't know how bad AOL is)
May 28 07:38:10 <JakeWharton> it's shareware
May 28 07:38:14 <JakeWharton> it's ineffecient
May 28 07:38:15 <JakeWharton>  
May 28 07:38:21 <JakeWharton> it doesn't support a lot of formats
May 28 07:38:26 <Zider> since when is shareware bad?
May 28 07:38:34 <Zider> and what's better?
May 28 07:38:37 <JakeWharton> 7zip
May 28 07:38:42 <Zider> ew..
May 28 07:38:48 <JakeWharton> you're a fucking moron
May 28 07:38:56 <JakeWharton> or trolling
May 28 07:38:59 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: what am I supposed to look for in the apk? I opened it
May 28 07:39:00 <JakeWharton> in either case, i don't care
May 28 07:39:10 <`z> winrar is a POS
May 28 07:39:10 <Zider> ..I'm a moron because I don't share your opinion?
May 28 07:39:11 <JakeWharton> thepoosh: android/support/v4/view/ViewPager.class
May 28 07:39:17 <Zider> I wonder who's the fucktard here..
May 28 07:39:27 <JakeWharton> I don't
May 28 07:39:42 <Zider> *ignore*
May 28 07:39:52 <JakeWharton> *give a fuck*
May 28 07:39:55 <JakeWharton> no wait, i didn't
May 28 07:40:20 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: nothing like that, all I have is the res and the META-INF
May 28 07:40:48 <thepoosh> and the classes.dex and resources.arsc
May 28 07:41:01 <JakeWharton> i'd like to see analytics on how many people who say crap like "ignore" actually follow through and ignore the person through their client
May 28 07:41:07 <JakeWharton> i'm willing to bet it's pretty low
May 28 07:41:31 <thepoosh> i once or twice had my /ignore work
May 28 07:41:46 <thepoosh> but mostly, I follow xkcd's "duty calls"
May 28 07:41:55 <JakeWharton> as do I
May 28 07:41:59 <Zider> thepoosh: how do you manage to get an ignore to not work?
May 28 07:42:09 <g00s> holy crap, a 22" android tablet :O
May 28 07:42:13 <JakeWharton> thepoosh: are you using ant?
May 28 07:42:20 <thepoosh> noipe, eclipse
May 28 07:42:28 <thepoosh> *nope
May 28 07:42:42 <thepoosh> http://xkcd.com/386/ this is me all over the place
May 28 07:42:58 <Zider> hehe
May 28 07:43:06 <JakeWharton> well, somewhere there's a magical place where compiled .class files are staged pre-assemble where we can see what's being included
May 28 07:43:21 <JakeWharton> i think, i use neither ant nor Eclipse so i may be of limited help to you
May 28 07:43:37 <thepoosh> if I added it in the eclipse project it can be discarded?
May 28 07:45:47 <thepoosh> no more thoughts?
May 28 07:45:53 <thepoosh> pragma-: ?
May 28 07:45:57 <JakeWharton> sorry I'm feverishly trying to get something to work
May 28 07:45:59 <JakeWharton> uh
May 28 07:46:00 <Knossos> thepoosh: I normally put library files in folder: libs, right click -> Build Path -> Add to Build Path.
May 28 07:46:09 <JakeWharton> yes do that
May 28 07:46:10 <Knossos> I dont know what else you can do
May 28 07:46:24 <JakeWharton> it should show up under a dependencies folder in the eclipse project
May 28 07:46:27 <thepoosh> I'll try that
May 28 07:46:35 <thepoosh> but something is clearly messed up
May 28 07:46:53 <JakeWharton> BOOM
May 28 07:46:53 <Knossos> It will end up in "Referenced Libraries" after you have added it correctly
May 28 07:46:58 <JakeWharton> yeah that's the one
May 28 07:47:02 <JakeWharton> good 'ol Eclipse
May 28 07:47:13 <Knossos> You use idea?
May 28 07:47:18 <JakeWharton> I do
May 28 07:47:50 <Knossos> I've been tempted, Eclipse works well most of the time. However, some of the time it just gets very grumpy. Mostly when dealing with several library projects.
May 28 07:49:08 <Drakonite> lies
May 28 07:50:01 <g00s> library projects are a construct of the adt; if they dont work its not eclipse :)
May 28 07:50:32 <JakeWharton> actually the ADT Plugin provides Eclipse with knowledge of library projects which is why they've often been unstable
May 28 07:50:36 <readme> g00s: eclispe adt
May 28 07:51:33 <thepoosh> Knossos: thanks man, please answer the question on stackoverflow
May 28 07:51:38 <thepoosh> so I can accept it
May 28 07:51:57 <readme> library projects are probably unstable because so few have the balls to use them that they haven't had that much development effort.
May 28 07:52:25 <thepoosh> Knossos: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10780413/error-inflating-class-android-support-v4-view-viewpager
May 28 07:52:40 <Knossos> That was it then? Cool.
May 28 07:53:27 <thepoosh> yes, do you have a thought about why this happens?
May 28 07:53:32 <readme> abs is huge, like a giant unit test for adt
May 28 07:53:45 <JakeWharton> readme: for reals
May 28 07:53:58 <JakeWharton> and for the framework
May 28 07:54:15 <JakeWharton> i think i've filed about 20 bugs and submitted 4 or 5 patches to AOSP since its inception
May 28 07:54:52 <Knossos> thepoosh: Which part?
May 28 07:54:53 <readme> anyway if anyone was having trouble getting abs to work in eclipse.. copy the whole library/ tree into your workspace, then use create from existing source
May 28 07:55:26 <thepoosh> Knossos: the adding to "libs" and then to the build-path instead of adding the external jar just like that
May 28 07:55:56 <Drakonite> how is the world of android dev today?
May 28 07:56:08 <Knossos> Perhaps it will only compile into the APK files that are in the project workspace
May 28 07:57:13 <g00s> Drakonite: peachy :)
May 28 07:57:21 <Knossos> I don't know why people don't use library projects more often. I tend to cut up my larger sub-programs into managable library projects so I can include them in anything.
May 28 07:57:44 <readme> I'd have to wager that around 70-80 of people out there don't even write reusable code.
May 28 07:57:53 <readme> 70-80%
May 28 07:57:59 <g00s> there was a weird bug with library projects and a shared dependency
May 28 07:58:07 <g00s> (fixed, but it was a pits)
May 28 07:58:11 <g00s> *pita
May 28 07:58:18 <Drakonite> readme: I'm sure that number is far too small
May 28 07:58:23 <Knossos> :D
May 28 07:59:00 <thepoosh> Knossos: for now (I'm a true newbe) I sstill don't write to much re-usable code
May 28 07:59:03 <alex_PP> *99-99.999%
May 28 07:59:06 <thepoosh> I know it bad
May 28 07:59:18 <JakeWharton> I write too much reusable code and it ends up slowing down what I can get done
May 28 07:59:20 <thepoosh> and I know it'll go away soon
May 28 07:59:24 <Knossos> If you are just learning, that is fine really
May 28 07:59:35 <g00s> there is no reusable code until its actually reused, and basic software economics says reusable code costs more than regular code, so you have to be sure you're going to reuse it at least once to recover those costs :)
May 28 07:59:36 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: i end up reusing your code XD
May 28 07:59:38 <JakeWharton> sometimes it's better just to get something working
May 28 07:59:45 <Knossos> You don't want to make (bad) reusable code
May 28 07:59:57 <readme> only write reusable code if you think it needs to be reused :)
May 28 08:00:03 <napster> What is the difference between Dialog.cancel() and Dialog.dismiss() ? TIA
May 28 08:00:40 <Knossos> Cancel will bring up the onCancel event
May 28 08:01:10 <Knossos> Whereas dismiss will just close the dialog
May 28 08:01:28 <Knossos> And as a side note, you may want to look at FragmentDialog
May 28 08:01:29 <napster> Knossos: Thank you
May 28 08:01:35 <napster> ok
May 28 08:02:27 <vavirta> When I notice that I need to reusable some code-part, i usually then refactor it from its original context
May 28 08:03:21 <vavirta> /s/reusable/reuse
May 28 08:07:38 <g00s> Drakonite: somebody needs to overthrow adobe with all their overpriced crap
May 28 08:08:05 <Drakonite> g00s: this is supposed to be news? ... :P
May 28 08:08:18 <JakeWharton> how much is CS6 PS?
May 28 08:08:19 <g00s> Drakonite: not news , just my observation :)
May 28 08:08:22 <readme> they have a subscription plan now
May 28 08:08:23 <JakeWharton> i'd probably pay $300
May 28 08:08:26 <Knossos> Gimp is catching up, imo
May 28 08:08:35 <readme> you can get all adobe products for 50/mo
May 28 08:08:47 <JakeWharton> even FLASH!?!?!?
May 28 08:08:53 <Drakonite> g00s: just saying... I've been saying this for a long time ;)
May 28 08:08:54 <g00s> thats extra
May 28 08:09:03 <JakeWharton> everyone's been saying this for a long time
May 28 08:09:03 <readme> neither gimp or inkscape will ever meet or beat adobe  -- but they are both very good software anyway.
May 28 08:09:14 <g00s> Drakonite: its an area seemingly ripe for uh, disruption, i wonder why nobody can do it
May 28 08:09:21 <JakeWharton> their products are amazing
May 28 08:09:24 <JakeWharton> they deserve the money
May 28 08:09:30 <DashCC> not for Flash.
May 28 08:09:38 <DashCC> They deserve a beating for flash.
May 28 08:09:48 <readme> I can't think of any existing technology that does a better job at what flash does than flash
May 28 08:09:56 <readme> JS/html will eventually kill it
May 28 08:10:00 <readme> but the tools aren't there yet
May 28 08:10:12 <Drakonite> g00s: because everyone bitches about any possible competition instead of giving it a chance
May 28 08:10:16 <DashCC> Just because there are no competitors, doesnt mean that its good.
May 28 08:10:17 <Knossos> Flash drives me bananas, when it is used to power the entire site
May 28 08:10:19 <readme> for people to make very complicated stuff easily
May 28 08:10:41 <readme> DashCC: but aren't there?
May 28 08:10:44 <g00s> Drakonite: it seems like the biggest impediment is that its a defacto standard
May 28 08:10:48 <readme> isn't silverlight competing with it?
May 28 08:10:57 <readme> wasn't a java applet once a thing that competed with flash
May 28 08:10:58 <JakeWharton> depends on how you define competing
May 28 08:11:09 <JakeWharton> it's competing in the same way WP is competing with Android and iOS
May 28 08:11:15 <readme> no doubt html5 will kill flash
May 28 08:11:19 <readme> it's just a matter of years
May 28 08:11:24 <DashCC> Doesnt change the fact that Flash is a huge fuckup. :D
May 28 08:11:51 <JakeWharton> well, flash used to solve a huge problem quite elegantly not so long ago
May 28 08:11:59 <JakeWharton> now it's only used to copy shit to the clipboard
May 28 08:12:20 * g00s is inviting mockery, but i still feel ms could give android a lot of competition if apollo turns out to be good
May 28 08:12:36 <Knossos> I hate to use it, but right now I have to because of new-ish video streaming technology
May 28 08:13:07 <Knossos> g00s: Colin? :D
May 28 08:13:11 <g00s> and i dont think android will ever recover on the tablet :)
May 28 08:13:15 <g00s> *EVER*
May 28 08:13:26 <Knossos> But that would be Colin Mochrie, and that would be awesome
May 28 08:13:31 <JakeWharton> recover implies it lost something
May 28 08:14:05 <Knossos> I /still/ don't understand tablets.
May 28 08:14:27 <readme> they are good for reading on the couch
May 28 08:14:31 <DashCC> I like them. Recently got a Blackberry Playbook - I really like the size of it
May 28 08:14:43 <DashCC> but I think I wouldnt buy another Tablet > 7"
May 28 08:15:06 <g00s> i guess rim is going to get go of another 2000 workers
May 28 08:15:22 <g00s> *let
May 28 08:15:26 <readme> 2000 new RIM jobs
May 28 08:15:27 <DashCC> yep, just read it this morning
May 28 08:15:27 <Drakonite> can't be too much longer before they let go of all of them
May 28 08:15:39 <DashCC> yeah, they lost the race
May 28 08:15:58 <Knossos> Same as Nokia
May 28 08:16:16 <g00s> Nokia's burn rate is unsustainable
May 28 08:16:20 <Knossos> Once the kings of the indestructable brick of awesomeness
May 28 08:16:32 <DashCC> hehe funny
May 28 08:16:39 <DashCC> both Nokia and RIM are giving away free "dev" devices
May 28 08:16:49 <DashCC> last resort, I guess
May 28 08:17:06 <Knossos> I guess you can't really have a good smart phone without people making apps for them
May 28 08:17:36 <g00s> i think the averge person has about 40 apps on their phone now
May 28 08:17:47 <readme> 40 including stock?
May 28 08:17:48 <Knossos> devils circle really. No people buying their phones -> no developer wants to sell their apps on it -> less people buying their phones
May 28 08:18:02 <readme> I have less than 10 market apps installed at any given time
May 28 08:18:05 <readme> usually less than 5
May 28 08:18:09 <g00s> but the time they spend in those apps has not increased, so all apps compete with each other for time
May 28 08:18:44 <g00s> go figure, you can only play so many games on the bus to work :)
May 28 08:19:00 <readme> that is a problem with games
May 28 08:19:06 <readme> if you make a solid business app though :)
May 28 08:19:28 <readme> my next app is a business app and I'm going to charge 10 bucks for it
May 28 08:19:46 <g00s>  here is where i got that # from, btw http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/why-customer-engagement-important-41-apps-smartphone/2012-05-24
May 28 08:19:46 <Knossos> can I ask what the pitch is?
May 28 08:20:02 <Knossos> Or will we find out in the course of time?
May 28 08:22:47 <Knossos> I wonder how many people they asked
May 28 08:22:53 <Knossos> For how many apps they have.
May 28 08:23:10 <Knossos> And whether that is in multiple places etc
May 28 08:23:55 <readme> i doubt they asked... it's probably some analytics spyware that figures it out
May 28 08:24:01 <Knossos> :D
May 28 08:25:09 <readme> my next app is something that if you were going to use, you'd use for hours :)
May 28 08:25:43 <readme> it is unclear how many of the 40 in question here are games
May 28 08:25:59 <readme> games should be analyzed separately from apps
May 28 08:27:05 <Knossos> One of my current projects is a TV app, aimed mainly at Germans though. (I work for a German business)
May 28 08:31:55 <xertoz> how many hours are the app version statistics delayed by in the developer console?
May 28 08:32:54 <Knossos> Do you mean after you have uploaded a new version, how long that takes to be visible?
May 28 08:33:39 <g00s> xertoz: i consider it accurate up to 24 hours before the current time
May 28 08:34:41 <S_A> Hi, I am looking forward to develop an app w hich can connect to android device via USB not in mass storage mode (app <---> Mobile via USB e.g. that how various softwre like Samsung KIES, Nokia Suite works)
May 28 08:34:58 <S_A> can you suggest me if there is some way to make this USB communication possible.
May 28 08:35:28 <S_A> as of now I am only able to do after enabling USB debugging mode in Android device. Any hints ?
May 28 08:35:59 <xertoz> S_A: stackoverflow has these answers somewhere, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4834930/usb-communication-with-android-arduino
May 28 08:45:59 <pragma-> my next app is going to be a banking app and i'm going to charge $19.99 for it
May 28 08:46:18 <pragma-> plus a $4.99 monthly subscription
May 28 08:46:24 <pragma-> plus ads
May 28 08:46:33 <pragma-> plus in-app purchases
May 28 08:46:45 <pragma-> plus trading cards
May 28 08:46:57 <pragma-> with 2 sticks of bubble-gum
May 28 08:47:15 <xertoz> Pragma: will it offer splendid budget advice such as reducing expenses on apps?
May 28 08:47:39 <pragma-> no, but there will be a pop-up that lets you disable adds for 24 hours for only .99
May 28 08:47:54 <vanson2012> i wish to learn how to program something like a game within 2 hours' competition
May 28 08:48:28 <xertoz> vanson2012: OK.
May 28 08:48:35 <vanson2012> i have been practising on object orientation codes
May 28 08:48:39 <vanson2012> but i hate my speed
May 28 08:48:49 <vanson2012> i dont know how to program faster
May 28 08:49:15 <g00s> it would be awesome, if on the market - when i see a crash report, i can click on it and this would send a message to the buyer acknowledging that i saw the problem
May 28 08:49:37 <xertoz> you decrease development speed by knowing the language, APIs and possible frameworks etc by heart. (not all, just 99%)
May 28 08:49:50 <pragma-> vanson2012: play typeracer.com
May 28 08:50:04 <pragma-> you'll be a fast programmer in no time
May 28 08:50:04 <xertoz> g00s: would be even more awesome if all crashes were reported :p
May 28 08:50:20 <hrnt> typeracer.com should have a special java edition where you have to press ctrl+space all the time
May 28 08:50:42 <hrnt> and ctrl+shift+o and so on
May 28 08:50:44 <xertoz> hrnt: don't forget about the CTRL+1
May 28 08:53:09 <vanson2012> my speed is 65wpm
May 28 08:56:13 <pragma-> vanson2012: that's no good
May 28 08:56:56 <pragma-> vanson2012: you can do arrays and stuff with 65wpm but if you want to binary search and stuff, you need at least 90wpm
May 28 08:57:03 <vanson2012> ow
May 28 08:57:18 <vanson2012> i will probably lose my opponents in program contest
May 28 08:58:17 <embed> hey,
May 28 08:58:18 <embed> I wanted to know how to add border to a table that the row adding dynamically to the table?
May 28 08:58:19 <vanson2012> im doing better
May 28 08:58:22 <vanson2012> 70 wpm
May 28 08:58:36 <vanson2012> i think i might train myself at least i will not be fucked up
May 28 09:01:59 <g00s> hmm, http://www.appreciate.mobi/
May 28 09:04:23 <jagruti_> Hello All
May 28 09:20:16 <g00s> JakeWharton: are you still there ?
May 28 09:21:17 <pragma-> g00s: i'm here!
May 28 09:21:35 <g00s> oh noes :(
May 28 10:45:33 <gaz`> if i want to be able to have a list view on screen and swipe left or right to go to other listviews what sort of parent container should I use?
May 28 10:45:46 <gaz`> listviews within a viewpager?
May 28 10:52:00 <harshpb> is there an 'aplay -l' equivalent on android shell ?
May 28 10:55:41 <readme> harshpb: this channel is app dev. try #android-root or something.
May 28 10:56:46 <harshpb> readme: i knw, just asked in case someone is aware, i asked on android-dev but no replies yet ;) thanks for telling abt #android-root
May 28 10:57:39 <harshpb> oops, i thought it was #android channel window
May 28 10:57:53 <harshpb> anyway, asked there on -root
May 28 10:58:11 <readme> you can write a service that plays a media file
May 28 10:58:17 <readme> then you can start it with am startservice
May 28 10:58:22 <readme> you can make an alias to do that
May 28 10:58:41 <hyotam> hey, does anyone have experience with zxing?
May 28 10:58:53 <readme> yes
May 28 10:59:09 <harshpb> readme: actually I need a cmd to generate list of audio devices available for playback/capture
May 28 10:59:19 <hyotam> i'm trying to style my own barcode scanner view
May 28 10:59:38 <readme> yeah, I never attempted to do that.
May 28 10:59:53 <hyotam> i haven't been able to do it without including the entire source of the zxing code
May 28 10:59:54 <readme> did you already compile your own and get it to work normally?
May 28 10:59:59 <readme> wel of course not
May 28 11:00:03 <readme> you're going to have to
May 28 11:00:18 <hyotam> ah okay
May 28 11:00:44 <hyotam> i'm getting bad results compared to the zxing barcode scanner app
May 28 11:00:55 <readme> yeah, as did I when I built it.
May 28 11:00:59 <hyotam> do you have any idea why that could happen?
May 28 11:01:02 <zhulikas> I have ActivityGroup with multiple levels of activities. To track history I have an ArrayList<View> inside my ActivityGroup. When I move to deeper Activity, I push a view of that activity on top of a list. onResume of that activity gets called properly. When I press back, I delete top View from my list and setContentView to last one in a list. Now how can I force onResume method to be called upon an activity which is saved as a View in my his
May 28 11:01:02 <zhulikas> tory when I click Back?
May 28 11:01:02 <readme> no
May 28 11:01:19 <hyotam> alright, thanks for your help :)
May 28 11:01:28 <readme> sorry I can't offer a solution
May 28 11:01:34 <readme> my opinion is dont try to style it :)
May 28 11:01:44 <zhulikas> onResume is never called on activities when I press back :|
May 28 11:01:55 <readme> it's called after you return to the activity
May 28 11:01:57 <hyotam> haha, wish i could
May 28 11:02:15 <MDijkstra> zhulikas: also, you're probably aware of this, but ActivityGroup is deprecated
May 28 11:02:53 <zhulikas> there is not much I can do at the moment about it being deprecated. I need to continue using it for this app
May 28 11:03:16 <readme> using a deprecated API is like wearing a members only jacket -- you might think it's cool, but it's not.
May 28 11:03:21 <MDijkstra> just saying, what you're trying to do is very easily accomplished with FragmentManager.addToBackStack()
May 28 11:04:51 <zhulikas> so as this is deprecated, nobody is willing to answer my question?
May 28 11:05:18 <MDijkstra> zhulikas: no, I'm guessing nobody knows
May 28 11:05:24 <zhulikas> shit.
May 28 11:05:30 <MDijkstra> I'd help you if I knew anything about ActivityGroup
May 28 11:05:46 <zhulikas> it's not really about ActivityGroup
May 28 11:05:54 <MDijkstra> one thing though, why are you handling views instead of activities?
May 28 11:06:01 <MDijkstra> ie, why do you have a stack of contentviews
May 28 11:06:05 <zhulikas> it's more about how to force Activity.onResume having it's View
May 28 11:06:31 <MDijkstra> a view is just a view; it's not special or coupled to the activity in any way
May 28 11:06:41 <zhulikas> hmm
May 28 11:07:01 <zhulikas> well, I was hoping it has some sort of reference to it's Activity from which it is created
May 28 11:07:06 <MDijkstra> nope
May 28 11:07:11 <zhulikas> that would solve the problem
May 28 11:07:20 <zhulikas> then I need to make that reference I guess
May 28 11:07:28 <MDijkstra> why do you not simply use the activity stack to get your detail navigation?
May 28 11:07:34 <MDijkstra> why are you reimplementing this
May 28 11:08:21 <MDijkstra> ie, if you start a new activity from a current activity, android will keep track of history
May 28 11:08:39 <MDijkstra> I don't get why you have this List<View> at all
May 28 11:09:33 <readme> mhmm
May 28 11:09:40 <readme> you should use Activity for what it's meant for
May 28 11:09:41 <zhulikas> well, probably my explanation would also be deprecated
May 28 11:09:45 <readme> tracking your own history is not necessary
May 28 11:09:46 <zhulikas> so not sure if it's worth explaning :D
May 28 11:09:49 <readme> history is already robust
May 28 11:09:54 <readme> tell us what you actually need to do
May 28 11:10:00 <readme> in plain english
May 28 11:10:11 <zhulikas> plain english is out of question
May 28 11:10:36 <readme> your solution is just wrong
May 28 11:10:40 <readme> i'm sorry
May 28 11:10:40 <zhulikas> my deprecated explanation would be that I am dealing with tab host activity which has activity group as every tab
May 28 11:10:44 <zhulikas> I know it is
May 28 11:10:54 <readme> so why not plow it and start fresh?
May 28 11:10:59 <zhulikas> oh god no
May 28 11:11:09 <MDijkstra> zhulikas: but you're essentially just shuffling views around, and then expecting android to magically recognize that this view you've just set was a certain Activity's contentView
May 28 11:11:15 <MDijkstra> and then magically call onResume on it
May 28 11:11:23 <zhulikas> indeed :D
May 28 11:11:57 <zhulikas> ok, I will figure some nasty hacks which will make things even worse but make this app run
May 28 11:12:11 <zhulikas> thanks for suggestions
May 28 11:12:18 <MDijkstra> np, good luck
May 28 11:12:28 <readme> then watch it blow up on the devices you don't have for testing, because you used an arcane solution that takes many code paths not traveled before.
May 28 11:13:00 <readme> its never too late to start over...
May 28 11:13:32 <zhulikas> the only problems I had so far related to different devices are problems with memory (in dealing with big bitmaps) and some device-specific differences in API
May 28 11:14:09 <zhulikas> for example when prefilling sms message using Intent and such
May 28 11:14:12 <readme> you're running a high risk of more problems
May 28 11:14:19 <readme> by using unconventional solutions
May 28 11:14:21 <readme> just saying
May 28 11:14:23 <readme> good luck :)
May 28 11:16:57 <jagruti_> Hello All
May 28 11:19:54 <jagruti_> Anybody there?
May 28 11:23:57 <snuy> hi, is there a way to find out the owner of a file on android?
May 28 11:35:55 <obiwahn> hey
May 28 11:36:23 <obiwahn> i have just installed eclipse and the sdk and pulled some app from git
May 28 11:36:29 <jagruti_> how can add the copy/paste feature on longpress on textview
May 28 11:36:39 <obiwahn> but eclipse confuses me so much that i feel kind of helpless
May 28 11:36:50 <obiwahn> how do i run or import my project?
May 28 11:37:32 <obiwahn> there is no build.xml included so i am unable to build the app with ant
May 28 11:40:21 <maiatoday> obiwahn you can  update the project from the command line and it will generate the build.xml
May 28 11:40:26 <maiatoday> hang on I'll get the link for you
May 28 11:41:31 <maiatoday> obiwhan http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/projects/projects-cmdline.html
May 28 11:41:39 <maiatoday> look for the update section
May 28 11:41:51 <obiwahn> thanks
May 28 11:46:31 <obiwahn> maiatoday: should that create an apk?
May 28 11:46:59 <maiatoday> no the update just makes the build files
May 28 11:47:01 <obiwahn> ah:)
May 28 11:47:12 <maiatoday> if you then go ant clean release
May 28 11:47:16 <tourist> Can I have a bunch of Log.d statements in the code and then just tell the compiler not to include them?
May 28 11:47:17 <maiatoday> it will do the build
May 28 11:47:29 <jagruti_> hello anybody know how to add copy/paste feature on textview
May 28 11:47:40 <obiwahn> is it possible to install the unsigned apk?
May 28 11:48:22 <maiatoday> I think if you go ant debug you'll get a debug build that you can install
May 28 11:48:47 <maiatoday> not sure, I have only been building signed apks lately
May 28 11:49:43 <obiwahn> do most of you use eclipse?
May 28 11:50:05 <obiwahn> it seems very mighty but it is shocking for a vi nerd like me:P
May 28 11:50:12 <maiatoday> obiwahn the debug versions I build run on the emulator not on a phone
May 28 11:50:46 <maiatoday> I use the command line to automate my builds and do automated testing
May 28 11:50:52 <maiatoday> but use eclipse for dev
May 28 11:51:39 <maiatoday> obiwahn look here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4835925/unsigned-apk-can-not-be-installed
May 28 12:07:48 <Ankhwatcher> I live in terror of the day I start to comprehend regex.
May 28 12:13:02 <readme> uh, its easy
May 28 12:13:10 <readme> let me explain the basics in 5 seconds
May 28 12:13:22 <readme> first there's posix and then there's pcre
May 28 12:13:29 <readme> posix is simple, pcre is a bit complicated
May 28 12:13:48 <readme> there are  few special chars in regex
May 28 12:13:59 <readme> . ? + * and -
May 28 12:14:13 <readme> . matches any character. ? + and * are quantifiers
May 28 12:14:16 <readme> - is the range operator
May 28 12:15:47 <readme> expressions can be enclosed in parens, soo.
May 28 12:16:16 <readme> whatever you follow with a quantifier (like an expression) gets repeated: 0...n times for *, 1...n times for + and 0..1 times for ?
May 28 12:16:39 <readme> using parens you can create subgroups of the match, too
May 28 12:16:47 <readme> see man 7 regex
May 28 12:17:52 <readme> try this: echo "Foo1Foo1Foo1" | grep -o --color "\([A-Za-z]0.[0-9]\)*"
May 28 12:18:02 <readme> the match is deliberately obtuse to demonstrate more ways of matching.
May 28 12:18:22 <readme> http://regex.learncodethehardway.org/book/
May 28 12:18:23 <readme> try that too
May 28 12:19:20 <Ankhwatcher> wow readme is a really well written bot
May 28 12:20:23 <readme> the thing that sucks about regex and pcre is that each language debauches it a little bit
May 28 12:20:35 <readme> so you have to know the details of using it in language x
May 28 12:22:05 <Ankhwatcher> thanks readme
May 28 12:22:19 <readme> just start by learning the basic posix regex
May 28 12:22:22 <readme> its easy
May 28 12:22:22 <readme> ;)
May 28 12:25:00 <readme> that should be an o instead of an 0
May 28 12:30:34 <readme> 99% of the time a regex is a horrible solution
May 28 12:37:57 <leslie> readme: what makes you say that?
May 28 12:39:31 <obiwahn> maiatoday: thanks you helped me a lot i got everything working now:) ill think ill ask a friend who know eclispse to give me an into:P
May 28 12:40:49 <readme> leslie: well, it's only good for parsing regular patterns in text, which is something I almost never work with. Second you have little control over the performance of a regex, then, they are difficult for many people to understand.
May 28 12:41:10 <readme> i think they are more often abused then used properly
May 28 12:41:25 <leslie> I'll agree with the difficulty in understanding them part
May 28 12:41:28 <maiatoday> cool obiwahn I am glad it's working
May 28 12:41:59 <alankila> regex's performance is, on the contrary, almost entirely in user's control. After all, you can routinely reach O(N) performance in regex parsing in terms of matched input length
May 28 12:42:21 <alankila> on the other hand, you can screw it up so completely that it will take very long time to determine that a pattern doesn't match, so there is that
May 28 12:42:33 <alankila> a few .*.*.* will do wonders :-p
May 28 12:42:38 <leslie> that's just poor regex writing though
May 28 12:43:32 <readme> usually when I am dealing with text it's already in some container, like a sqlite database, JSON, or XML
May 28 12:43:55 <readme> but that's just because it's 2012
May 28 12:44:14 * readme dislikes flat files
May 28 12:44:33 <leslie> things like logs are typically still flat files
May 28 12:44:42 <readme> thats a good use case example
May 28 12:45:08 <readme> http://blog.treasure-data.com/post/21881575472/log-everything-as-json-make-your-life-easier
May 28 12:45:17 <leslie> what about verifying user input?
May 28 12:45:35 <readme> that's a good use case too
May 28 12:45:43 <readme> but usually I have a library that does that, which might use regex underneath
May 28 12:46:06 <readme> check out this regex I use to verify an email: "@"
May 28 12:46:09 <readme> ;)
May 28 12:46:43 <leslie> email addresses are more complex than that though
May 28 12:47:07 <readme> having read a lot on the topic, my conclusion is that the only way to verify an email is to check it for an @ symbol and send one off
May 28 12:47:12 <leslie> I saw a regex that parsed email addresses properly before but it was ridiculous
May 28 12:47:21 <readme> yeah, I saw that one too
May 28 12:48:00 <leslie> http://instantbadger.blogspot.co.uk/2006/08/regex-to-fully-validate-rfc822-email.html
May 28 12:48:02 <leslie> that one
May 28 12:49:15 <readme> its a cool hack but I would probably not use it in real code
May 28 12:49:26 <leslie> yeah
May 28 12:51:23 <readme> i think my favorite place to use a regex is interactively in the text editor
May 28 12:52:07 <leslie> I never use it really
May 28 12:52:25 <leslie> but then typically I'm using Java/C#, or something else that supports refactoring instead
May 28 12:53:30 <code1> readme: doesn't an email also require a . ?
May 28 12:53:34 <readme> no
May 28 12:53:42 <readme> not as far as I know
May 28 12:53:49 <code1> oh
May 28 12:53:53 <leslie> you can have me@localhost
May 28 12:54:31 <code1> leslie: yes I've seen that
May 28 12:54:56 <code1> but i didn't think it was a valid email address: i.e. one that you can send email to?
May 28 12:55:13 <leslie> you can send email to it, but it's probably not terribly useful
May 28 12:55:14 <code1> I mean I guess you can send and receive locally
May 28 12:55:25 <leslie> you can use it for sending across a local network too
May 28 12:56:11 <code1> but isn't a bit like saying localhost is a valid domain name?
May 28 12:56:13 <readme> user@[IPv6:2001:db8:1ff::a0b:dbd0]
May 28 12:56:16 <readme> there's another one
May 28 12:56:21 <readme> with no .
May 28 12:56:55 <leslie> code1: it's user@hostname. any valid hostname will work
May 28 12:57:29 <code1> well I suppose @ is the only character you can be sure of then!
May 28 12:57:37 <readme> indeed
May 28 13:12:02 <RubenGM> hi
May 28 13:14:11 <RubenGM> what is the maximum sqlite database possible for android?
May 28 13:15:48 <RubenGM> i have searched, and looked on sqlite limits, and i dont find good information about it, does anyone know if its possible to have a database with ~10 GB stored on sdcard?
May 28 13:17:08 <Ge0rG> RubenGM: this is a very very bad idea.
May 28 13:17:54 <RubenGM> i think too, but i have to fundament very well why
May 28 13:18:57 <Ge0rG> RubenGM: I've had trouble (running on a first-gen device though) when my database went over 100mbytes
May 28 13:19:09 <RubenGM> wow :/
May 28 13:20:25 <RubenGM> from the sqlite they dont have a size limit, and from stack overflow the questions about it doesnt say much
May 28 13:21:51 <kanelbulle> 10GB? what are you going to store in that?
May 28 13:22:27 <RubenGM> several information around 9 Million people
May 28 13:22:36 <Ge0rG> RubenGM: you might be able to have it working by properly limiting the actual cursor sizes...
May 28 13:22:58 <Ge0rG> RubenGM: if you don't do a "select * from people;" you might be fine...
May 28 13:23:19 <Ge0rG> that sounds really privacy-sensitive as well.
May 28 13:23:28 <RubenGM> we will have to reduce it probably, by removing the images and load from a webservice
May 28 13:23:54 <RubenGM> yes thats other questions
May 28 13:24:08 <kanelbulle> seems to me that the whole DB should be served via webservice
May 28 13:24:11 <RubenGM> security issues
May 28 13:24:43 <Ge0rG> maybe you need to hire an expert :>
May 28 13:24:54 <raywan> If you do a sql join on two+ tables, getColumnIndex("_id") will get the wrong column index! getColumnIndex("table._id") throws requesting column name with table name -- table._id, so cannot refer to that _id with the table name
May 28 13:25:08 <RubenGM> we wont have network most of the time :/
May 28 13:25:09 <raywan> how are you supposed to deal with sql join _id's?
May 28 13:25:30 <Ge0rG> raywan: tried renaming the column?
May 28 13:26:01 <Ge0rG> raywan: you could also just hard-code the column index, just don't forget to update it once the query changes
May 28 13:27:00 <RubenGM> and if we could reduce the size to around 1 or 2 GB, should it be possible?
May 28 13:27:00 <raywan> So this is a bug in getColumnIndex()
May 28 13:27:32 <raywan> getColumnIndex() should not just pick whichever _id (or column) if there are more than one
May 28 13:27:47 <Ge0rG> RubenGM: as I said, you might be able to work wih it by reducing the amount of data actually pulled from sql.
May 28 13:28:27 <RubenGM> ok tks, i will give it a try ;)
May 28 13:28:35 <Ge0rG> raywan: you can work around the problem or file a bug report on android and hope that one day, somebody is going to have a look at it.
May 28 13:28:43 <Ge0rG> (probably not)
May 28 13:36:18 <canadiancow|work> yawn
May 28 13:41:07 <woozly> guys, I have two <Button> on LinearLayout, but how to put these two buttons on the same line?
May 28 13:41:56 <readme> that's the default
May 28 13:41:57 <Zharf> put them in a horizontal linearlayout or use relativelayout instead
May 28 13:42:02 <readme> you must ahve set oreintation="vertical"
May 28 13:42:06 <readme> just remove that
May 28 13:42:36 <readme> canadiancow|work: are you at work :)?
May 28 13:42:42 <Zharf> I still wonder why horizontal is default :p
May 28 13:42:50 <readme> yeah, it's a stupid default
May 28 13:43:00 <canadiancow|work> readme... yes?
May 28 13:43:32 <SimonVT> fast-fail for people who didn't rtfm
May 28 13:43:58 <readme> canadiancow|work: as you may know, it's a holiday in the US
May 28 13:44:13 <canadiancow|work> yea... and last monday was a holiday here
May 28 13:44:24 <readme> btw, did you get the update I pushed to led caller id?
May 28 13:44:32 <readme> it should fix your problem with a lot of numbers not coming up
May 28 13:44:46 <readme> basically the database I'm using has to fetch info for numbers it hasn't seen yet
May 28 13:45:00 <readme> so on the first try, it returns nothing, but if I retry, it gives good info
May 28 13:45:09 <readme> so now the default is to retry
May 28 13:46:23 <readme> Victoria day, celebrates the birthday of the reigning canadian monarch
May 28 13:47:43 <canadiancow|work> i got the update
May 28 13:47:47 <canadiancow|work> people dont call me very often
May 28 13:47:52 <canadiancow|work> :)
May 28 13:48:08 <x-kent> I need a simple way to show a string on a screen (redraw it every second as it changes). I am new to android I wrote http://pastebin.com/Tzibt5De but it seems I do something wrong
May 28 13:48:10 <p_l> readme: no longer reigning, I think?
May 28 13:48:15 <x-kent> can someone please take a look ?
May 28 13:48:26 <readme> p_l: hmm
May 28 13:48:36 <p_l> ahhh
May 28 13:48:57 <readme> canadiancow|work: yeah same here. I made the app for other people.
May 28 13:48:59 <p_l> "current reigning sovereign's birthday" is also celebrated on the day
May 28 13:49:07 <p_l> I was wondering if I somehow missed a free day
May 28 13:49:08 <x-kent> my sample code show display "hello" and then "hello2" after 5 seconds but it only displays "hello2" after like 5-7 seconds
May 28 13:49:22 <canadiancow|work> is 7 seconds not after 5 seconds?
May 28 13:49:29 * p_l is in UK
May 28 13:49:42 <readme> x-kent: helper.sleep?
May 28 13:49:56 <readme> x-kent: try view.postDelayed instead
May 28 13:50:07 <readme> it doesn't work the way you think it does
May 28 13:50:08 <x-kent> readme, just a function that uses Thread.sleep surrounded with try/catch
May 28 13:50:16 <readme> yeah, that won't work.
May 28 13:50:21 <readme> UI operations are on a queue.
May 28 13:50:23 <canadiancow|work> i still cant figure out this stupid notification launch intent
May 28 13:50:32 <canadiancow|work> i want it to CLEAR_TOP
May 28 13:50:36 <canadiancow|work> but it wotn :(
May 28 13:50:47 <x-kent> readme, on a queue ?
May 28 13:50:52 <readme> make sure the clear top is a flag to the intent and not the pending intent
May 28 13:50:54 <readme> x-kent: yes
May 28 13:50:57 <readme> use view.postDelayed
May 28 13:51:08 <readme> basically,your UI ops wont even happen until oncreate returns!
May 28 13:51:12 <readme> so sleep is useless
May 28 13:51:32 <x-kent> yea I was thinking that this is the problem...
May 28 13:51:43 <readme> don't sleep/block any lifecycle method
May 28 13:52:29 <x-kent> after onCreate() is called, is there any other function that is called ? where I can put the "main()" code ?
May 28 13:52:41 <readme> there is no main()
May 28 13:52:45 <readme> don't think like that
May 28 13:53:00 <readme> well, deep down there is probably a main somewhere, but I don't need to care about it
May 28 13:53:44 <readme> think of each activity as an independent unit that can react to these events and take input via an intent
May 28 13:53:45 <x-kent> hmmm, if I create a thread in onCreate() can I use that threads run() function ?
May 28 13:53:48 <readme> and just craft them as such
May 28 13:54:05 <x-kent> my app is a MANET (network stuff) daemon. I only need the GUI for a debugging
May 28 13:54:31 <readme> you can use threads but don't use a thread just to display a view,
May 28 13:54:46 <readme> since first of all, you can't touch views from a separate thread.
May 28 13:54:51 <readme> it needs to be on the ui thread anyway
May 28 13:55:12 <readme> second, you do not need a thread to do a delayed operation on a view.
May 28 13:55:42 <x-kent> before we continue let me go read about that view.postDelayed you suggested
May 28 13:56:00 <readme> think of that like setTimeout in javascript if you've used that
May 28 14:20:13 <x-kent> readme, that's android stuff is really more complicated than I though. Is there a function that I can call to force a phone to make a sound ? I read about 10pages of useless guides that tell me about colors and stuff that I don't need
May 28 14:20:35 <x-kent> I only need to make that thing notify me _somehow_ that it discovered a remote station in a network
May 28 14:20:46 <x-kent> any system.beep(); or something will do
May 28 14:21:32 <x-kent> I don't need buttons, layouts or anything. just somehow to notify me
May 28 14:22:19 <readme> I've actually got some code that I wrote
May 28 14:22:24 <readme> called BeepBackgroundService or something
May 28 14:22:29 <readme> it just beeps in the background all day
May 28 14:22:41 <x-kent> o.0
May 28 14:22:44 <x-kent> will do
May 28 14:22:53 <x-kent> do you have it online somewhere ?
May 28 14:23:23 <x-kent> I just though about "notifications" bar, may be this one will help me
May 28 14:23:40 <x-kent> the line at the top of the screen
May 28 14:23:48 <x-kent> seems I can just pass messages to it
May 28 14:23:53 <readme> this does a notification, too
May 28 14:25:05 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-service-example
May 28 14:25:40 <x-kent> thanks I think that's what I need
May 28 14:25:52 <readme> np
May 28 14:26:00 <readme> if you like it watch it on github
May 28 14:26:11 <readme> help me to expand my social networks
May 28 14:27:25 <x-kent> at least your code looks much more explaining than all the stupid tutorials google finds that all deal with the damn design of the UI
May 28 14:27:43 <readme> it was written for someone as an explanation
May 28 14:27:48 <readme> for this exact thing
May 28 14:29:49 <Lachezar> Hey all. I am having trouble using viewport meta in pages. It seems to ignore anything I set for device-width apart from device-width=device. It also starts with zoom-out, unless I specity initial-zoom-1.2
May 28 14:31:05 <Lachezar> To be read: width=device-width
May 28 14:33:09 <Lachezar> To be read: initial-scale=1.2
May 28 14:44:34 <Lachezar> Does <meta name="viewport" content="user-scalable=no"/> work? I can always zoom in both with double-tap and pinch-zoom.
May 28 14:46:21 <ampoz> Hi, I am using android + JNI in which I would like to have my JNI wrapper/interface to be in C++ for calling function of a library coded in C. If I simply put the JNI wrapper functions in my C library I can compile and run the program. If instead I place the JNI wrapper functions in a seperate c++ file and simply add this C++ file to the C files under LOCAL_SRC_FILES, I get errors upon
May 28 14:46:21 <ampoz> compiling. Should the C++ interface and the C library have different makefiles? Is is possible to have them in the same makefile as 2 different modules (or the same?), if so, can someone point me to something explaining how? I haven't been able to find.. Thanks
May 28 14:46:30 * Ge0rG despises "web-apps" that prevent the user from zooming... also apple for introducing that horrible tag and not providing proper wrap-around when zoomed in
May 28 14:47:20 <Lachezar> GeOrG: No-Zoom should NOT be a problem, if I was able to tell the browser to actually zoom the page in the first place!
May 28 14:47:43 <Lachezar> Ge0rG: For now, whatever I do everything looks too small.
May 28 14:48:25 <Ge0rG> Lachezar: have you tried "initial-scale=2.0"?
May 28 14:49:30 <Ge0rG> Lachezar: also, I think it should be up to the user (and his eyes) to determine which font size is too small
May 28 14:49:44 <Lachezar> Ge0rG: Yeah, instead of fitting the page it just makes it twice the size of the screen: Bleh!
May 28 14:49:46 * Ge0rG has his android browser set to large font, which breaks 90% of the no-zoom "web apps"
May 28 14:53:18 <Lachezar> Ge0rG: I think you get me wrong: I do _not_ want to disable zoom-in, but i would like to make my apps start zoomed-in maximally. It;s a simple login form with username and password! It's horrible, that it either takes only 50% of the screen, or 200% of the screen.
May 28 14:59:56 <Ge0rG> Lachezar: sorry :)
May 28 15:00:10 * Ge0rG can get quite emotional about that zoom-in thing.
May 28 15:01:26 <GeeksOnHugs> does the maps api have any built in map markers or is there an available library of markers (like to put the little marks on maps)?
May 28 15:02:04 <GeeksOnHugs> the examples I've found on the internet mention having your own image it seems
May 28 15:02:07 <canadiancow|work> you can probably get google's default ones
May 28 15:02:09 <Storm2010> readme: i need some help man
May 28 15:02:14 <canadiancow|work> im not sure if you're allowed to use them
May 28 15:02:44 <GeeksOnHugs> I was thinking I should be able to use defaullt ones but can't seem to find them, I woulld think they would come with the api or something
May 28 15:02:59 <readme> Storm2010: ask and i will answer if I know
May 28 15:03:07 <woozly> I make MediaPlayer on button click, and it plays some 'click sound', but it plays first 30-40 times.. and later - no sound on click; (
May 28 15:03:09 <woozly> why?
May 28 15:03:45 <woozly> //topic #
May 28 15:04:28 <Storm2010> ok im still working on tht media player. i made the service and it plays from there. but i got a nullpointerexception on the line mp.reset() when i resumed the app.
May 28 15:04:32 <woozly> http://pastebin.com/hEatR3kc
May 28 15:04:57 <Storm2010> i took it out and now my try/catch is stuck in a look
May 28 15:05:01 <Storm2010> *loop
May 28 15:07:04 <readme> you shouldn't try catch to roll over exceptions when they are indicative of a design flaw in your program
May 28 15:07:19 <readme> they should be thrown and your program should stop, so you can fix it
May 28 15:07:44 <Storm2010> well its with the mediaplayer api not being able to play a certain file
May 28 15:07:59 <readme> if it is going into an infinite loop then it's definitely a design flaw.
May 28 15:08:05 <Storm2010> the same files never play in any player ive used
May 28 15:08:25 <readme> that's my 2c, take it or leave it
May 28 15:08:32 <readme> i'm not going to sit here all day debugging your code for ya
May 28 15:09:07 <Storm2010> ok ill try something else
May 28 15:12:58 <ultrixx> anyone here who uses intellij? i would like to know what the best ide is for android and i am using eclipse
May 28 15:15:08 <canadiancow|work> wtfux
May 28 15:15:13 <canadiancow|work> has anyone heard of intent extras getting lost?
May 28 15:15:26 <canadiancow|work> i create an intent with some flags and extras, then put it in a pendingintent, and give it to the notificationmanager
May 28 15:15:38 <canadiancow|work> on certain devices, when the notif is clicked, all the flags and extras are gone
May 28 15:15:51 <canadiancow|work> and by "certain" i mean like... half hte devices we've tried
May 28 15:21:04 <Lachezar> What should <meta name="viewport" content="width=320,target-densitydpi=low-dpi"/> do?
May 28 15:21:58 <woozly> Guys, how to do Click Sound plays?
May 28 15:22:50 <Lachezar> woozly: You are NOT creating a new player every time you play the click right?
May 28 15:22:52 <woozly> I add MediaPlayer, and mPlayer.start(); when onClickedListener fires, but it doesn't play on click. It waits while earlier sound stop plays
May 28 15:23:04 <woozly> Lachezar: not of course)
May 28 15:24:51 * Zharf doesn't know about mediaplayer but would probably use audiotrack instead
May 28 15:25:23 <Lachezar> Hm. target-densitydpi=150 seems to be the magic setting, the page is scaled to what the user would see after double-tapping the overview/
May 28 15:30:06 <b1n0ry|Snoring> for a custom listadapter, i see a lot of tutorials with references to a list class but not much on what the list item class is... is this what they're talking about?
May 28 15:30:07 <b1n0ry|Snoring> http://pastebin.com/uDF43eTB
May 28 15:33:27 <Jug6ernaut> b1n0ry|Snoring?
May 28 15:33:32 <Jug6ernaut> "list class"?
May 28 15:38:26 <b1n0ry> Jug6ernaut, I don't know the proper terminology... e.g. public class BooksAdapter extends ArrayAdapter<Article> {
May 28 15:38:34 <b1n0ry> is that the kind of class that Article is?
May 28 15:38:40 <canadiancow|work> "is there a git command to show a diff of files i've changed?"
May 28 15:38:46 <canadiancow|work> <3 easy questions to answer
May 28 15:39:07 <Jug6ernaut> canadicancow|work lol
May 28 15:39:18 <Jug6ernaut> b1n0ry you never linked the article lol
May 28 15:39:19 <Jug6ernaut> but
May 28 15:39:30 <b1n0ry> http://pastebin.com/uDF43eTB
May 28 15:40:21 <Jug6ernaut> b1n0ry that is just a container class, then its used in the ArrayAdapter, ive never used an arrayAdapter myself, just baseadapter
May 28 15:40:32 <b1n0ry> ok
May 28 15:40:49 <b1n0ry> i think i'm on the right track
May 28 15:40:56 <b1n0ry> might be in the wrong car, but on the right track
May 28 15:43:24 <code1> Why can tab icons look difference in different devices with the same API version?
May 28 15:44:08 <readme> because OEMs
May 28 15:44:30 <code1> is there anyway to make them look the same? Everything else is fine
May 28 15:44:36 <b1n0ry> yep, device manufacturers "theme up" the icons
May 28 15:44:40 <readme> you can theme it yourself but it's a pain
May 28 15:44:51 <readme> my advice is just not to use tabwidget.
May 28 15:44:58 <readme> use actionbar tabs or roll your own
May 28 15:45:01 <b1n0ry> take the icons you want and put them in your drawables
May 28 15:45:09 <b1n0ry> then every device will use your drawables
May 28 15:45:47 <code1> b1n0ry: I'm already doing that
May 28 15:46:01 <b1n0ry> then they should look the same.
May 28 15:46:10 <code1> readme: yeah think I'll need to look into actionbar
May 28 15:46:15 <ddreamer0> hi
May 28 15:46:46 <b1n0ry> unless you're referencing android.R.drawable... instead of R.drawable...
May 28 15:46:47 <mastroWork> I'm trying to do a query (through a CursorLoader -> content provider -> database) ordering on a text column, case insensitive ordering: I tried with lower( myColumn ) ASC and myColumn COLLATE NOCASE ASC, both order case sensitive on myColumn, does anyone know how to order case insensitive on android sqlite?
May 28 15:46:56 <code1> b1n0ry: yep they should but they don't - some devices seem to have a white background when the tab is selected instead of grey
May 28 15:47:27 <b1n0ry> ah, background and color scheming are different
May 28 15:47:40 <ddreamer0> how can i set the item to be shown, in a gallery ? I'm adding new elements with a webservice when i reach the last element in the gallery, but on .notifyDataSetChanged(); it returns to the first element of the list of course
May 28 15:48:17 <code1> b1n0ry: yeah only the background of the selected tab but it makes the icon (white) almost invisible
May 28 15:48:47 <b1n0ry> actionbar tabs ftw. i just converted my app to that last night.
May 28 15:48:58 <b1n0ry> looks 100 times better than it did, too
May 28 15:49:10 <code1> are you using sherlock?
May 28 15:49:14 <b1n0ry> yep
May 28 15:49:34 <dob1> hi, can you suggest me a no-brand android phone to start developing on it? (not too much expensive)  i was thinking about samsumg galaxy y
May 28 15:49:51 <code1> b1n0ry: was it much work going from tabhost to actionbar?
May 28 15:50:20 <dob1> i will not use is at my phone just to test applications ( if i will be able to write them :)
May 28 15:50:42 <b1n0ry> no, actually i replaced a TabActivity class and it turned out to be less code. i just grabbed a TabManager code off of the google dev site and it's working to switch the fragments just fine
May 28 15:51:34 <b1n0ry> can't guarantee i'm doing it -exactly- right, but it works. i'll be happy to pastebin you my code
May 28 15:52:14 <code1> b1n0ry: yeah that would be good, or the links to the docs you used?
May 28 15:52:16 <dob1> (this is just because the emulator sucks)
May 28 15:53:00 <b1n0ry> i can do that for the tab manager. i didn't use many docs for my main class
May 28 15:54:09 <b1n0ry> http://pastebin.com/YeeKMdBM <-- there's the main activity class that replaced the tab host (no layout file is required)
May 28 15:55:20 <b1n0ry> code1, now, i've got a couple of things going on in there that probably aren't what you need. for example, i wrote it to set up an http cache if it identifies SDK 13 or greater and i have a collapsable search box
May 28 15:55:40 <b1n0ry> i haven't coded the search box functionality yet, so that's why there's no code for it
May 28 15:55:56 <code1> thanks b1n0ry will take a look when I get the chance to convert over to actionbar, seems like the way to go.
May 28 15:56:14 <b1n0ry> grab it now and throw it in text, i threw a 1 hour expiration on it on pastebin
May 28 15:57:39 <b1n0ry> code1: here's the TabListener class. you can copy and paste this one verbatim (except for the context, of course). it came from the android dev docs. http://pastebin.com/KLaQdrFM
May 28 15:57:41 <code1> Done, thanks. Looks quite straight forward and like you said less code! :)
May 28 15:58:19 <b1n0ry> i didn't even modify the TabListener from the docs and it manages switching just fine.
May 28 15:58:46 <b1n0ry> at least so far
May 28 15:58:51 <b1n0ry> i may tweak it as necessary
May 28 15:58:56 <giraffeslacks> i'm sorry but last night i asked a question and it wasn't answered until after i went to sleep. by the time i woke up this morning the scroll buffer had been overwritten. my question was a bit long so i put it, along with my code and stack trace, here http://pastebin.com/EV25KLJc
May 28 15:59:10 <code1> Cool, did you convert from Activity to Fragments also?
May 28 15:59:15 <b1n0ry> yeah
May 28 15:59:45 <b1n0ry> using the support library, it's working fine on my 2.1 test device, my 2.3.3 primary phone, and my 3.0 tablet
May 28 16:00:06 <code1> nice, I'll need to do that also
May 28 16:00:18 <b1n0ry> i bit the bullet, as readme suggested a few nights ago.
May 28 16:00:54 <b1n0ry> there's a bit of a learning curve. like i discovered that SimpleAdapter, directly, doesn't work in a ListFragment (since the first parameter requires an Activity context)
May 28 16:00:57 <code1> I did look at doing it a while ago, did you just follow the support lib docs for Activity -> Fragment?
May 28 16:01:04 <b1n0ry> so now i'm learning about custom list adapters :)
May 28 16:01:41 <code1> ok, think I'll need to set aside a chunk of time to get my head around it all :)
May 28 16:01:43 <b1n0ry> no, i'm still relatively early in my app so i'm just rebuilding
May 28 16:03:06 <code1> Well, thanks for the pointers and good luck with the app.
May 28 16:04:01 <b1n0ry> ty, you too!
May 28 16:08:45 <DubLo7> Question for everyone - I've done a lot of tutorials and sample programs, but I'm wanting to starting on my first big project.  Where do you begin?
May 28 16:09:11 <DubLo7> The UI, the data layer, mock ups… I keep going in circles and not getting much done.
May 28 16:09:16 <xa0c> File->New->Other
May 28 16:24:55 <b1n0ry> xa0c, best.response.ever.
May 28 16:32:37 <b1n0ry> DubLo7, if you've been working on ui planning, data planning, and mock ups, i'd say you've been getting a ton done. regarding any application (not just android, as i'm still new to android myself), conceptualization and planning should be roughly 50% of your project. the rest is just writing code.
May 28 16:33:01 <b1n0ry> possibly more than 50%
May 28 16:35:21 <b1n0ry> i sit with noteboks, pens, whiteboards, scratch pads, visio, and other tools for days or weeks before i even touch code. figure out what my intention is (or my customers intention) - what "problem" am i trying to solve? what are potential solutions? which of those are pure crap and which worth pursuing? come up with a high level process flow, what do i want interactivity to work like? what pieces of data to i need to collect? how wi
May 28 16:35:21 <b1n0ry> ll that data be stored? on and on and on...
May 28 16:36:48 <xorgate> whats the diff between declaring my service as ".MyService" versus "com.whatever.bla.MyService" ?
May 28 16:37:28 <b1n0ry> .MyService is shorter...
May 28 16:47:57 <Zharf> should I use a phonestatelistener or phone_state_changed broadcast to be notified when there's a call going on and when it ends?
May 28 16:50:54 <Zharf> or would http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/AudioManager.OnAudioFocusChangeListener.html work for that too?
May 28 16:57:19 <b1n0ry> do fragments have contexts?
May 28 17:00:35 <canadiancow|work> b1n0ry what do you mean
May 28 17:01:03 <ddreamer0> i have a gallery that scrolls horizontally 1 element at a time, how can i set the element that's being displayed?
May 28 17:01:19 <b1n0ry> well, i'm trying to use an example custom ListAdapter and the tutorial example accepts the first parameter as a context. when i pass it BooksFragment.this, it doesn't want to accept it
May 28 17:01:39 <b1n0ry> setListAdapter(new BooksAdapter(BooksFragment.this, R.layout.article_row, list));
May 28 17:01:40 <canadiancow|work> a fragment is not a context
May 28 17:01:58 <b1n0ry> so what should i be passing it? or is the constructor of the adapter wrong for my usage?
May 28 17:02:09 <canadiancow|work> pass it a context...
May 28 17:02:15 <b1n0ry> what context?
May 28 17:02:20 <canadiancow|work> any one you want
May 28 17:02:25 <b1n0ry> any context? just instantiate a context and pass it?
May 28 17:02:32 <canadiancow|work> err... no
May 28 17:02:34 <canadiancow|work> any VALID context
May 28 17:02:41 <canadiancow|work> i dont know what contexts your fragment has access to
May 28 17:03:17 <b1n0ry> how would i know that?
May 28 17:03:36 <canadiancow|work> because you wrote it?
May 28 17:03:56 <canadiancow|work> the simplest would probably be Fragment#getActivity(), but it may not be the best for all cases
May 28 17:04:11 <canadiancow|work> and you dont have an activity at all points in the fragment lifecycle
May 28 17:04:46 <ddreamer0> i have a gallery that scrolls horizontally 1 element at a time, how can i set the element that's being displayed? .notifyDataSetChanged(); is changing my position back to the beginning each time and i want to undo it
May 28 17:05:17 <canadiancow|work> ddreamer0, we heard you the first time
May 28 17:05:19 <canadiancow|work> stop repeating yourself
May 28 17:05:57 <b1n0ry> setListAdapter(new BooksAdapter(BooksFragment.this.getActivity(), R.layout.article_row, list)); <-- this seems to work
May 28 17:13:38 <ddreamer0> sorry
May 28 17:15:12 <b1n0ry> yay. thanks canadiancow|work
May 28 17:15:39 <b1n0ry> it's working great. built a lazy image loader for icons, custom list adapter.. all good, thanks!
May 28 17:20:40 <xroberx> has anyone noticed that google play rank has not been updated for 3-4 days ?
May 28 17:31:53 <ddreamer0> can i refer to my ListView from within my adapter ?
May 28 17:32:40 <ddreamer0> excuse me i meant the other way around, can i refer to my adapter from within my listview ?
May 28 17:33:19 <jeppy> getAdapter()?
May 28 17:34:07 <ddreamer0> and is the other way around possible ?
May 28 17:50:34 <GeeksOnHugs> is there a permission that would allow me turn  the GPS on for teh user?
May 28 17:50:51 <Ge0rG> GeeksOnHugs: no, but you can make an intent to open the gps prefs
May 28 17:51:36 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, yeah I know about that, but I wish we could just get a permission for that...I wonder where to submit requests like that for google for a future version or something
May 28 17:51:54 <Ge0rG> best return on investment place would be /dev/null
May 28 17:52:10 <GeeksOnHugs> I even wish on the apps that I use it would do that for me...I usually have my gps off and then allways have to deal with that
May 28 17:52:19 <GeeksOnHugs> dev/null?
May 28 17:52:34 <readme> I need an inputType that allows commas in numbers for EditText
May 28 17:52:34 <Ge0rG> yeah. the place where your deleted data goes to...
May 28 17:52:36 <readme> I can't find one
May 28 17:52:39 <readme> are there any I can use
May 28 17:53:23 <readme> oh neat
May 28 17:53:26 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3821539/decimal-separator-comma-with-numberdecimal-inputtype-in-edittext
May 28 17:56:31 <readme> adt y u say my code is wrong but it's right, then I cut and paste it back and you work.
May 28 17:56:34 <readme> scumbag adt
May 28 18:01:35 <xorgate> anyone using IDEA? i'm having a problem where i change the sdk (to something lower) for my module and it compiles and runs and crashes. this is because some methods are not found in the lower android version. But I would expect a compile error
May 28 18:02:51 <p_l> xorgate: do a clean rebuild of the project?
May 28 18:03:16 <xorgate> yeh after i do that it works
May 28 18:03:59 <p_l> xorgate: probably you have old .class files which referenced nonexistant symbols
May 28 18:05:16 <xorgate> ah yes that would make sense
May 28 18:05:32 <xorgate> i would think that something as big as changing android sdk would warrant an automatic rebuil
May 28 18:05:33 <xorgate> dd
May 28 18:05:41 <readme> xorgate: you don't get that compile error in eclipse adt unless you set the targetSdkVersion lower
May 28 18:05:53 <readme> note that minsdk won't cause a compile error if you use a class not found in a  lower version
May 28 18:06:06 <xorgate> yeah ok
May 28 18:06:16 <readme> (logical impossibility) although i have said it'd be cool to have static analysis that can check for if statements on the sdk version and use that
May 28 18:06:26 <p_l> xorgate: not necessarily - it's a change in the build script options, which usually are not involved in dependency tracking (responsible for finding out which files to rebuild)
May 28 18:06:27 <xorgate> but i tell IDEA to use another sdk, AND i set the values in the manifest
May 28 18:06:43 <readme> if you want compile time checking, lower the targetSdkVersion.
May 28 18:06:53 <readme> you'll have to switch it back later.
May 28 18:07:13 <readme> unless idea has a better feature for this?
May 28 18:08:52 <xorgate> uhm not quite sure what you mean. in my idea project/module settings i can tell it which sdk to use. This is independent from the manifest
May 28 18:10:46 <readme> and when you tell it which SDK to use, are you telling it which sdk you are targeting, or which SDK is the minimum you'd like to run on?
May 28 18:11:09 <p_l> readme: which SDK is used for building
May 28 18:11:26 <readme> so that's the target, then.
May 28 18:11:44 <readme> IDEA doesn't use the manifest at all?
May 28 18:12:24 * readme fires up idea.
May 28 18:12:31 <p_l> readme: uses, but you specify Android SDK as well just like you specify which version of JDK you use
May 28 18:13:04 <readme> so I assume he is running on a lower sdk version than his build target, and getting a class not found error, right?
May 28 18:13:09 <readme> do I understand this correctly
May 28 18:14:39 <readme> in which case if you told IDEA about the target, then it'd have no way of knowing anything about the other older api versions you're running on, and ergo not be able to warn you at compile time, unless you drop that value to the API version of the actual target device.
May 28 18:18:20 <p_l> readme: no, the build script didn't rebuild a .class file that was compiled for previous SDK, I suspect
May 28 18:19:51 <readme> still curious as to whether idea suffers from this problem
May 28 18:20:00 <readme> checking it out now
May 28 18:20:25 <b1n0ry> i have an imageview as part of a list item. for some reason, the padding layout doesn't seem to add bottom padding... any ideas?
May 28 18:20:52 <readme> pasting that xml would be a good idea
May 28 18:20:54 <b1n0ry> sorry margin
May 28 18:20:57 <b1n0ry> not padding
May 28 18:23:37 <b1n0ry> found something that worked. i used padding instead and just increased the image width/height by the additional padding
May 28 18:23:42 <b1n0ry> and took margin out altogether
May 28 18:32:19 <tourist> I guess it is possible to start a thread in Android?
May 28 18:32:52 <p_l> tourist: all android applications by necessity are multithreaded
May 28 18:33:48 <tourist> p_l: have you used andengine? because we need to thread in our game
May 28 18:34:01 <tourist> quiet channel though
May 28 18:34:06 <p_l> nope
May 28 18:34:08 <tourist> We desperately need help with threading. We are doing pathfinding and it is to expensive and freezes the whole application while doing so so we need to do this ina  separate thread so it is run in parallell to the other stuff we are doing. How can this be done?
May 28 18:34:11 <p_l> tourist: quiet at the moment
May 28 18:34:31 <readme> tourist: if you can figure out pathfinding algorithms you can figure out a thread
May 28 18:34:32 <p_l> is andengine done in Java?
May 28 18:34:35 <readme> it's not as hard as you think
May 28 18:34:38 <readme> part native, part java
May 28 18:35:05 <p_l> readme: threading can be significantly harder than pathfinding (at least typical game pathfinding)
May 28 18:35:16 <p_l> though this shouldn't be that hard
May 28 18:35:19 <readme> p_l: i think he can hack it
May 28 18:36:05 <Ge0rG> maybe a better path finding algorithm could reduce the pain? :>
May 28 18:36:18 <readme> tourist: if you have access to books, get java concurrency in practice
May 28 18:36:37 <readme> I can get you a chapter from my safari, if you promise not to spam it all over the world
May 28 18:37:16 <b1n0ry> when creating an icon for submit to the app market, do you submit multiple versions - ldpi, mdpi, hdpi, etc... ?
May 28 18:37:38 <readme> it will work if you don't, but you should.
May 28 18:37:49 <readme> you also need a 512x512 hi res for the market listing
May 28 18:37:58 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: yes. you can ignore ldpi
May 28 18:38:03 <JakeWharton> just do mdpi, hdpi, and xhdpi
May 28 18:38:28 <Ge0rG> why ignore ldpi? there are many low-end devices with ldpi out there
May 28 18:38:29 <b1n0ry> ok, the main reason i ask isn't necessraily for market but good to know. i have a listview that pulls images over the web and want to figure out how to not make them scale all grainy.
May 28 18:38:49 <fuzion24> Is anyone around that has sprint?
May 28 18:39:04 <b1n0ry> i think i need to pull an image based on the density
May 28 18:39:35 <JakeWharton> Ge0rG: because the assets will be downscaled and downscaling is better than upscaling
May 28 18:39:45 <readme> b1n0ry: that would be wise
May 28 18:39:50 <readme> avoid scaling if possible, on the device.
May 28 18:40:02 <b1n0ry> yeah, i've discovered image views scale like crap
May 28 18:40:25 <b1n0ry> figured.. yeah, i'll try a bigger image... nope, looks worse, lol.
May 28 18:40:40 <Ge0rG> JakeWharton: isn't a pre-distribution downscale from high-res to ldpi better than an on-device downscale from mdpi?
May 28 18:40:51 <readme> RadioGroup, y u take up so much space?
May 28 18:40:59 <JakeWharton> depends on if you want to waste space providing ldpi assets
May 28 18:41:02 <JakeWharton> i sure don't
May 28 18:41:29 <JakeWharton> very few ldpi devices still exist and they're all old versions of the platform
May 28 18:42:15 <b1n0ry> is tv close enough to mdpi?
May 28 18:42:19 <Ge0rG> JakeWharton: not sure about the number of devices, but I know several people with 2.x ldpi devices; also ldpi uses the least space of all the resolutions ;)
May 28 18:42:55 <JakeWharton> ldpi is also less than 1 pixel per dp
May 28 18:43:00 <JakeWharton> another reason to ignore it
May 28 18:43:00 <b1n0ry> or should i make a 'tv' version as well... seems annoying
May 28 18:43:29 <JakeWharton> 2.x == old versions
May 28 18:44:08 <canadiancow|work> tv is tvdpi or xhdpi
May 28 18:44:10 <canadiancow|work> well not really
May 28 18:44:12 <canadiancow|work> but it claims to be
May 28 18:44:19 <readme> unfortunately if you plan to release your app any time in the next 2 years you'll have to make 2.3 a priority.
May 28 18:44:33 <JakeWharton> a priority?
May 28 18:44:37 <canadiancow|work> 2.3 isnt old and crappy though
May 28 18:44:42 <canadiancow|work> compared to, say, 2.1
May 28 18:44:50 <Ge0rG> JakeWharton: 2.x is still 80% of the user base
May 28 18:45:03 <JakeWharton> i'm aware, that doesn't mean it's a priority
May 28 18:45:06 <JakeWharton> that just means you have to support it
May 28 18:45:14 <canadiancow|work> i think 2.3 has peaked though
May 28 18:45:22 <readme> i disagree.. 2.3 is the most important chunk of the market right now
May 28 18:45:33 <canadiancow|work> im sorta with JakeWharton on this
May 28 18:45:42 <canadiancow|work> i add a feature. if its minimal effort to get it on 2.3 as well, great
May 28 18:45:45 <canadiancow|work> if not, sucks to be you
May 28 18:45:54 <JakeWharton> 4.x is priority, 2.2+ is a necessity, 2.1 and older is optional
May 28 18:46:08 <canadiancow|work> 2.3+ is necessity
May 28 18:46:11 <canadiancow|work> 2.2 and older is optional
May 28 18:46:11 <canadiancow|work> :P
May 28 18:46:56 <Ge0rG> hmmm... ldpi is 3.3%
May 28 18:47:03 <readme> I'm writing an app that uses abs and viewpager right now
May 28 18:47:10 <readme> why am I using abs?
May 28 18:47:16 <readme> because, 2.3 is a PRIORITY :)
May 28 18:47:16 * Jug6ernaut blames abs
May 28 18:47:21 <fully_human> Hello.  I'm trying to run android adv from the command line.  Like docs and millions of other people have done, I typed "./tools/android adv," but I only got a help screen.  Any ideas why?
May 28 18:47:26 <JakeWharton> readme: no because 2.3 is a necessity
May 28 18:47:27 <canadiancow|work> because it lets you support 2.3 with minimal effort
May 28 18:47:41 <canadiancow|work> im with JakeWharton on this
May 28 18:47:51 <JakeWharton> you're writing the app for 4.x and using a library to back port the functionality to the necessary API levels in order to make it viable
May 28 18:48:18 * Ge0rG needs someone to rewrite his app for ABS...
May 28 18:48:41 <readme> could probably do it with a searcha nd replace Ge0rG
May 28 18:48:42 <fully_human> Oh...it's avd, not adv! *facepalm*
May 28 18:48:46 <readme> that's how seamless abs is
May 28 18:49:09 <readme> JakeWharton: ok, i see
May 28 18:49:17 <JakeWharton> my point isn't rather that you shouldn't support 2.x, you absolutely should. rather, you shouldn't be limiting your application to what was available in 2.x
May 28 18:49:18 <Ge0rG> readme: except its UI needs to be redesigned, and maybe also viewpager added for the overall look&feel
May 28 18:49:26 <readme> JakeWharton: oh, I don't
May 28 18:50:24 <Jug6ernaut> abs is uniformity amongst chaos
May 28 18:50:46 <canadiancow|work> sounds borgy
May 28 18:51:55 <JakeWharton> assimilate
May 28 18:51:57 <p_l> that's WindowsPhone
May 28 18:53:39 <readme> android is to smartphones as windows is to pcs
May 28 18:53:55 <readme> even has malware!
May 28 18:54:18 <Jug6ernaut> windows phone is like a prodigy...young and brillant...but has no idea how the world works...
May 28 18:54:30 <komugi> aww
May 28 18:54:32 <komugi> i like WP7 :)
May 28 18:54:36 <komugi> can't wait for WP8
May 28 18:54:50 <Jug6ernaut> dont get me wrong, i do to. but its not quite there yet for me.
May 28 18:54:57 <komugi> same
May 28 18:55:07 <komugi> I had it for 6 months, but there were still a lot of roadblocks
May 28 18:55:13 <komugi> but I think the interface is brilliant
May 28 18:55:23 <readme> i cant wait for the ban on motorola imports to be lifted.
May 28 18:55:48 <Jug6ernaut> i cant wait, for america to get its head out of its @$$
May 28 18:55:52 <Jug6ernaut> patent system is shit
May 28 18:55:56 <Jug6ernaut> political system i shit
May 28 18:55:59 <Jug6ernaut> judical system i shit
May 28 18:56:11 * Jug6ernaut stops
May 28 18:56:25 <readme> patent system is shit, legislative branch is shit, but our judicial system is pretty good
May 28 18:56:32 <readme> the supreme court has been kicking ass for a long time
May 28 18:56:41 <p_l> well, WP is totally no-no for me thanks to being impossible to change country of an account
May 28 18:57:20 <p_l> readme: I once heard that significant part of the original USPTO reasoning was mass stealing of IP :>
May 28 18:57:30 <readme> it still is.
May 28 18:57:50 <readme> imho it's "stealing" if you put 1000 people to work to file patents all day and never build anything
May 28 18:57:57 <readme> idea squatting is a more appropriate title than patenting
May 28 18:58:06 <p_l> readme: in the sense that "prior art" from outside USA was inadmissable
May 28 18:58:23 <readme> you assume that no one else might ever have the idea because you did it in the coffers of your private organization
May 28 18:58:42 <readme> and then you can claim dibs, simply because you have the cash for a legal team at the time
May 28 18:58:45 <Jug6ernaut> readme yea but it like everything else has be become progressively more left of center. I am interested to see what happens with obama care.
May 28 18:58:47 <readme> then you get trolls!
May 28 18:59:00 <readme> patents are a leftist idea
May 28 18:59:10 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 28 18:59:11 <readme> I'm not saying a leftist invented them
May 28 18:59:16 <readme> but if you ask me, they are lefty.
May 28 18:59:20 <p_l> well, the patent system's origin was about making publication of ideas more profitable than hiding as trade secrets
May 28 18:59:40 <maraz> patents are a very, very bad thing
May 28 18:59:43 <readme> Jug6ernaut: in my perfect world, the government wouldn't even enforce  TANGIBLE property rights, beyond a reasonable threshold
May 28 18:59:52 <readme> squatting, is really interesting
May 28 18:59:53 <p_l> just like copyright was about separating arts from patronage
May 28 19:00:15 <p_l> maraz: software patents yes. They are also illegal in some places because of that
May 28 19:00:21 <readme> why should the government protect property that you abandonded for years and failed to maintain when people are homeless and ready to move in and renovate on their own dime?
May 28 19:00:31 <readme> this happened in NYC
May 28 19:00:36 <maraz> if there were no medical patent laws, i believe we would already have a cure for cancer... i don't even want to know what else we might have in other fields
May 28 19:00:39 <readme> except the government owned the buildings, because of owed taxes
May 28 19:00:40 <p_l> maraz: patent per se makes sense, because a proper patent includes *full* information to *replicate* the invention
May 28 19:00:50 <Jug6ernaut> all i know is, a patent system which allows for patenting of a "row of icons" is broken
May 28 19:01:03 <readme> i think the whole thing needs to be abolished
May 28 19:01:14 <readme> the notion that the government should play police on ideas is nauseating to me
May 28 19:01:44 <maraz> the notion that people shouldn't be able to build upon the work of others is complete bullshit
May 28 19:01:47 <Jug6ernaut> not entirely, but it does need to start anew
May 28 19:02:10 <Jug6ernaut> maraz thats not what the patent system is for
May 28 19:02:21 <Jug6ernaut> it so someone can not profite off of someone elses work
May 28 19:02:26 <Jug6ernaut> in ideal
May 28 19:02:32 <p_l> Jug6ernaut: nope
May 28 19:02:48 <canadiancow|work> ZOMG
May 28 19:02:52 <canadiancow|work> Error "Should pass resolved color instead of resource id here: getResources().getColor(R.color.yellow)"
May 28 19:02:54 <canadiancow|work> <3 lint
May 28 19:03:02 <readme> Jug6ernaut: the major fallacy there is assuming someone can own IP, registering a patent doesn't prove conclusively that no one else has had the idea before, or might even not be developing it as the patent is being registered.
May 28 19:03:03 <Jug6ernaut> p_l when i say profit, i mean take credit for/steal
May 28 19:03:13 <readme> Jug6ernaut: it's also forcing me to register a patent to protect my idea,
May 28 19:03:29 <p_l> Jug6ernaut: patent system originated as a promise of temporary monopoly in exchange for full publication of the data so others could build upon it
May 28 19:03:34 <tourist> readme: thanks
May 28 19:03:34 <readme> so if you don't want someone else to claim dibs on an idea you're working on, you're forced to get a patent, or suffer later when they sue you
May 28 19:03:35 <Jug6ernaut> well imo you should not be able to patent an "idea" at all
May 28 19:03:41 <readme> but that's what a patent is?
May 28 19:04:04 <p_l> Jug6ernaut: who gets "credit" is part of copyright/authorship law
May 28 19:04:21 <leslie> patents are supposed to be processes, not ideas, aren't they?
May 28 19:04:32 <p_l> leslie: complete designs
May 28 19:04:40 <leslie> aha
May 28 19:04:50 <p_l> in classic patent systems, you can't patent software because you can't patent math
May 28 19:05:06 <canadiancow|work> how does that make sense
May 28 19:05:13 <canadiancow|work> how is an algorithm more mathematical than like... a circuit
May 28 19:05:26 <maraz> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patent
May 28 19:05:29 <Jug6ernaut> techinally they are the same ;)
May 28 19:05:34 <canadiancow|work> i can turn an equation into a circuit a lot more easily than turning it into an algorithm
May 28 19:06:06 <p_l> canadiancow|work: you'd be patenting the physical process of manufacturing the circuit (let's say, parts of SOI process)
May 28 19:06:10 <readme> patent: a document that allows you to use legal coercion in order to prevent others who may be smarter than you or more ambitious from doing what you do better.
May 28 19:06:52 <leslie> these days, it's more of a tool to extort money out of people
May 28 19:07:00 <canadiancow|work> put a 200ohm resistor here, connected to a 1000uF electrolytic capactior there....
May 28 19:07:08 <readme> yeah
May 28 19:07:10 <readme> definitely
May 28 19:07:12 <p_l> canadiancow|work: and you can create multiple different circuit implementations of an equation
May 28 19:07:13 <canadiancow|work> store an integer here, and check if its value is greater than 10 there
May 28 19:07:15 <canadiancow|work> ...
May 28 19:07:18 <maraz> i wonder how many new patents are filed by private individuals instead of, say, multinational corporations... and how does the current situation compare to that of, say, early 20th and 19th century?
May 28 19:08:00 <leslie> apparently Microsoft get about $15 or something from most Android phones, just because of patents
May 28 19:08:51 <Ge0rG> funny fact: both the steam engine and the american movie industry's development were actually hindered more than accelerated by the patent system.
May 28 19:09:22 <tourist> Thanks for the tips
May 28 19:09:54 <tourist> why should i avoid threads if i can solve my pathfinding problem by using bigger tiles (which is not that pretty) ?
May 28 19:09:58 <leslie> the steam engine was a British invention, wasn't it?
May 28 19:10:05 <p_l> leslie: yes
May 28 19:14:32 <Ge0rG> there was a patent system in GB as well.
May 28 19:17:31 <p_l> Ge0rG: the patent system was how Europe broke down guild system
May 28 19:17:34 <readme> tourist: threads make your program complicated
May 28 19:17:36 <readme> they are alast resort
May 28 19:18:25 <Ge0rG> p_l: probably brought to us by the guild system's heavy lobbying...
May 28 19:19:02 <p_l> Ge0rG: no
May 28 19:19:47 <p_l> before, you had guilds keeping their knowledge secret and often enjoying monopolies
May 28 19:20:53 <Ge0rG> p_l: I just wanted to point out that the patent system as we have it today is not too bad for guild-like knowledge monopolies
May 28 19:21:39 <readme> in the US we have a system in place where corporations with lots of money can horde ideas away and squat on them.
May 28 19:21:54 <readme> man, I hate the status quo.
May 28 19:22:09 <p_l> Ge0rG: with one exception - you have to publish all the data covered by patent, technically allowing others to build upon that knowledge or design alternatives
May 28 19:22:26 <readme> hoard*
May 28 19:22:26 <p_l> Guilds would keep the knowledge secret
May 28 19:24:52 <Ge0rG> p_l: technically, yes. however, nobody in their sane mind will actually do so out of fear of litigation
May 28 19:27:26 <p_l> Ge0rG: then the patent office is operating incorrectly. The principle of a patent is that the publicly accessible document should contain enough information to reproduce that invention
May 28 19:28:22 <readme> When I flip forward, the actionbar title is set from my FragmentPagerAdapter
May 28 19:28:25 <readme> but when I flip back, it isn't
May 28 19:28:28 <readme> http://pastie.org/3984469
May 28 19:28:33 <readme> presumably, getItem() isn't called again
May 28 19:28:37 <readme> any idea on how I can fix this one?
May 28 19:30:35 <readme> well, i've found getPageTitle.
May 28 19:30:40 <canadiancow|work> http://phandroid.com/2012/05/28/lg-introduces-5-inch-1080p-display/
May 28 19:30:41 <canadiancow|work> xxhdpi?
May 28 19:31:03 <Ge0rG> xxxdpi, for pocket p0rn
May 28 19:32:01 <readme> got it with ViewPager.OnPageChangeListener
May 28 19:32:23 <readme> xxxxhdpi if I am in the particular movie.
May 28 19:33:01 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 28 19:34:18 <wHiTeHaT44> am i registered (test)?
May 28 19:34:22 <readme> no
May 28 19:34:29 <wHiTeHaT44> lol yes finaly
May 28 19:35:05 <SimonVT> readme: Pro-tip: Only do stuff in onPageSelected if scroll state is SCROLL_STATE_IDLE
May 28 19:35:20 <wHiTeHaT44> long time ago on a irc
May 28 19:36:45 <readme> SimonVT: https://github.com/tom-dignan/notes/commit/3547afcd51e16fda0f967d8ff3e4a0a6eff0c866
May 28 19:37:02 <SimonVT> hah
May 28 19:40:00 <drizzd> Do I need 32-bit libraries to build android on a 64-bit system?  The build fails when it tries to link acp to 32-bit libgcc  (which I don't have on my 64-bit system).
May 28 19:40:08 <drizzd> Or should I haved used something other than lunch full-eng to  configure the build?
May 28 19:41:27 <canadiancow|work> i had lunch with some full engineers
May 28 19:41:35 <canadiancow|work> also an intern
May 28 19:47:57 <wHiTeHaT44> I'm trying to make slide-show of some webpages,at the moment i inserted some url's as a string.The string itself isnt implemented in the code.For rotating the different webview url's i thought to use CountDownTimer , i have it working for only 1 hardcoded url.
May 28 19:48:15 <TomSlominski> Hi. I'm struggling to connect my HTC Hero running 2.1 to adb. Got adb installed and running, it just can't see my device.
May 28 19:48:23 <TomSlominski> I've created a rule for udev.
May 28 19:48:39 <wHiTeHaT44> I created a paste of what i accomplished sofar: http://pastie.org/3984526
May 28 20:02:09 <dmalice> is there a question ur asking wHiTeHaT44? Or just narrating your progress? lol
May 28 20:03:13 <wHiTeHaT44> well haha i didnt expected an answer right away, so i was looking at my code again.But yes i have a question
May 28 20:04:08 <tnzr> is it possible to add a TextView to the ActionBar?
May 28 20:04:35 <canadiancow|work> yes
May 28 20:04:41 <wHiTeHaT44> i need to go over the string and whenever countdown is 0 it should replace the url with the next url in the string
May 28 20:05:13 <dmalice> just add a counter and increment the counter and get the string using urls[counter]
May 28 20:05:31 <wHiTeHaT44> public void onFinish() {
May 28 20:05:33 <wHiTeHaT44>             	number.setText("done!");
May 28 20:05:35 <wHiTeHaT44>             	//<-this kind of string
May 28 20:05:37 <wHiTeHaT44>             	mWebView.loadUrl("http://www.google.nl");
May 28 20:05:38 <wHiTeHaT44>             	start();
May 28 20:05:40 <wHiTeHaT44>             }
May 28 20:08:14 <dmalice> add a counter, in onFinish increment counter
May 28 20:08:34 <dmalice> then do something ilke mWebView.loadUrl(urls[counter%3]);
May 28 20:09:58 <wHiTeHaT44> dmalice , i try to understand what you mean with counter?
May 28 20:10:10 <dmalice> int counter = 0;
May 28 20:10:17 <dmalice> onFinish() { counter++;
May 28 20:10:19 <dmalice> etc.
May 28 20:11:18 <wHiTeHaT44> ic yes , i remember something of this  with php
May 28 20:13:18 <wHiTeHaT44> i go try find some examples in how a counter is used within android,thank you
May 28 20:13:40 <ddreamer0> can i refer to my ListView from within my adapter ? (in the same way that i can do the opposite: getAdapter() )
May 28 20:21:21 <jeppy> ddreamer0, you could create a variable to store your reference
May 28 20:22:36 <dmalice> ddreamer0, it depends on your implementation. Are you writing an adapter as an external class? is it an internal class? Is it a listactivity? a regular activity?
May 28 20:22:54 <dmalice> there's not a "getlistview" method for the adapter classes
May 28 20:23:33 <dmalice> but there is for listactivity, for a regular activity, and an internal adapter, do as jeppy suggests and just store a reference
May 28 20:24:27 <dmalice> if you're using an external class for your adapter, pass a reference in the constructor to either the context or the listview depending on your needs
May 28 20:31:18 <wHiTeHaT44> lol i think i have it, but none of the url's working now (can it be i run to long the adb?)
May 28 20:34:50 <wHiTeHaT44> @dmalice THANK YOU have it working
May 28 20:36:43 <wHiTeHaT44> oeps
May 28 20:37:45 <wHiTeHaT44> the countdown starts over but it not start from first url again
May 28 20:38:47 <wHiTeHaT44>             public void onFinish() {
May 28 20:38:49 <wHiTeHaT44>                 if (currentIndex<myArray.length) {
May 28 20:38:50 <wHiTeHaT44>                 	number.setText("done!");
May 28 20:38:52 <wHiTeHaT44>                 	mWebView.loadUrl(myArray[currentIndex]);
May 28 20:38:53 <wHiTeHaT44>                     currentIndex++;
May 28 20:38:55 <wHiTeHaT44>                 }
May 28 20:38:56 <wHiTeHaT44>             	//<-this kind of string
May 28 20:38:58 <wHiTeHaT44>             	//mWebView.loadUrl("http://www.google.nl");
May 28 20:38:59 <wHiTeHaT44>             	start();
May 28 20:39:01 <wHiTeHaT44>             }
May 28 20:39:11 <jeppy> use a pastebin
May 28 20:40:16 <wHiTeHaT44> http://pastie.org/3984526
May 28 20:43:23 <I440r>  View v = findViewById(R.id.someView);  <-- why would this be returning a null pointer?
May 28 20:43:49 <I440r> v.setBackgroundColor(Color.BLACK); is throwing a null pointer exception
May 28 20:44:14 <fully_human> Hello.  Anyone know where I define drawables? I know that string values are in res/values/strings.xml.
May 28 20:45:00 <canvs2321> drawables r n drawables folder?
May 28 20:45:22 <canvs2321> depending on density&screen width etc
May 28 20:45:27 <I440r>  View v = findViewById(R.id.someView);  <-- why would this be returning a null pointer?
May 28 20:45:37 <fully_human> Yes, I already have the drawables in the res/drawables-* folder, but I don't see the files in R.java.
May 28 20:45:48 <canvs2321> does R.id.someView exist in the loaded xml file
May 28 20:45:57 <I440r> yes
May 28 20:45:59 <canvs2321> clean ur project?
May 28 20:46:10 <canvs2321> i440r prove it with a pastebin of code
May 28 20:46:37 <fully_human> Is there an XML file where I define drawables?
May 28 20:46:41 <MDijkstra> wHiTeHaT44: because you're not resetting the index
May 28 20:46:46 <MDijkstra> start() doesn't do that for you
May 28 20:47:06 <canvs2321> fully_human: no
May 28 20:47:16 <canvs2321> they just reside in ur /res/drawable* folder
May 28 20:47:17 <wHiTeHaT44> do i need to reset ... (i had this in my send qeue)
May 28 20:47:30 <tnzr> hmm so I figured out how to add a custom view to the ActionBar but I can't figure out how to get it to push stuff to the far right
May 28 20:47:39 <MDijkstra> wHiTeHaT44: well, I don't get your code in onFinish at all
May 28 20:47:41 <wHiTeHaT44> but i was knowing i should, but i dont know how
May 28 20:47:52 <MDijkstra> I'm assuming you want to loop
May 28 20:48:03 <wHiTeHaT44> yes it loops over url's
May 28 20:48:12 <wHiTeHaT44> it is a slideshow of webpages
May 28 20:48:21 <MDijkstra> yes, that much I figured
May 28 20:48:56 <wHiTeHaT44> your dutch?
May 28 20:49:04 <MDijkstra> ja :p
May 28 20:49:20 <MDijkstra> keep the chat in english here though
May 28 20:49:22 <wHiTeHaT44> mag ik hier in het NED
May 28 20:49:24 <wHiTeHaT44> ok
May 28 20:49:34 <wHiTeHaT44> kut
May 28 20:50:08 <wHiTeHaT44> What is it you not understand, is it cous ei wrote it bad?
May 28 20:50:36 <I440r> lol it DID exist in my layout-land/main.xml but in my layout/main.xml it had been renamed. no idea why
May 28 20:50:48 <I440r> picking up where i left off from some time ago
May 28 20:51:07 <g00s> I440r: i know hwy
May 28 20:51:10 <g00s> *why
May 28 20:51:14 <g00s> I440r: you :)
May 28 20:51:21 <I440r> never!
May 28 20:53:33 <fully_human> It seems to help if you name the image files without dashes. :-\
May 28 20:54:31 <g00s> this stylebot thing for chrome is cool :) the font on the git website (&book) was so bad, it was giving me a headache
May 28 20:55:28 <pragma-> just download the gitpro pdf.  done.
May 28 20:55:48 <g00s> the book on git is now cross linked to the man pages
May 28 20:55:49 <pragma-> you get better searching, better layout, and a table of content/bookmark/index thing
May 28 21:01:40 <canadiancow|work> can you "merge" something in git without touching files? i just want the history to say i have the commits
May 28 21:01:45 <canadiancow|work> without changing anything
May 28 21:02:04 <sonicrules1234> Hm, does anybody know if there is a view object that works kinda like a terminal, where you can just add text to it, and it will be scrollable?
May 28 21:05:48 <canadiancow|work> a textview in a scrollview?
May 28 21:11:30 <f00bar80> what is the best path to save a pdf files in for an app storing pdf files for user to check?
May 28 21:12:55 <f00bar80> i've used webview to open pdf in google docs, but it's not correct in scrolling
May 28 21:13:45 <ixc> i had many problem with pdf
May 28 21:13:54 <ixc> in the end i wrote a mupdf based renderer
May 28 21:15:31 <f00bar80> ixc, you didn't try webview to open it using google docs ?
May 28 21:16:30 <f00bar80> anybody knows why youtube videos cannot be played using the webview ? ?
May 28 21:17:13 <ixc> f00bar80: we need offline render too :)
May 28 21:17:32 <ixc> on ios was much easier :)
May 28 21:17:58 <f00bar80> ixc, i this it http://andpdf.sourceforge.net/
May 28 21:18:43 <f00bar80> ixc, is*
May 28 21:19:49 <ixc> mine is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI2AthpQo_o
May 28 21:20:00 <ixc> but we changed many things on it :)
May 28 21:20:14 <ixc> this video demo the in pdf "links"
May 28 21:21:39 <Angel07> i have 3 screens(activities) - 1st mainScreen and other two are screen1 and screen2, in main i have list with screen1 and 2 and textView "Result is 0", when i enter in screen1 i want to pass some integer that user choose to screen2 and mainScreen, i manage to do it only to pass value to screen2 but it opens automatically screen2 after i press something in screen1 and i dont want that and also dont know how to return "current res
May 28 21:23:09 <ixc> Angel07: so what problem that u want solve from them? :D
May 28 21:23:18 <Angel07> sorry for long message but i want to explain my whole problem... i am really trying to get this to work for a few days now but nothing... i guess i am doing something wrong... :(
May 28 21:23:42 <f00bar80> ixc, actually i'm coding an app, which should come with a number of pre-stored pdf files and the 'll be opened with a any preinstalled pdf viewer , i'm not into rendering the pdf , just asking where/how to store them in coding
May 28 21:24:06 <jrajav> Angel07: So how are you passing the data to screen2?
May 28 21:24:13 <ixc> f00bar80: i prefer app's external directory
May 28 21:24:29 <f00bar80> ixc, /sdcard/ ?
May 28 21:25:21 <ixc> f00bar80: getExternalFilesDir(null)
May 28 21:25:24 <ixc> from api8
May 28 21:25:56 <ixc> is like /sdcard/android/data/ur.package.of.application/files
May 28 21:26:02 <ixc> or like this, not remember clearly :)
May 28 21:26:41 <f00bar80> ixc, sorry, not sure if i'm clear in what i mean
May 28 21:27:04 <ixc> u want to know where should store ur pdf files, right?
May 28 21:27:38 <f00bar80> ixc, i mean when the app is installed the pdfS must be pre-stored and then copied to wherever the location when any is requested for read
May 28 21:28:13 <f00bar80> ixc, so basically where to put them to get them compiled with the apk ?
May 28 21:28:31 <ixc> oh u want put pdfs as assets
May 28 21:28:56 <f00bar80> ixc, yea
May 28 21:29:39 <ixc> res/raw?
May 28 21:30:08 <ixc> or assets folder :)
May 28 21:32:10 <f00bar80> ixc, and then how to refer to them in code, i.e the path
May 28 21:33:04 <ixc> context.getAssets()
May 28 21:35:05 <Angel07> jrajav sorry for waiting... http://pastebin.com/F4js0511 this is in screen1
May 28 21:35:33 <jrajav> Yeah I figured you were using an intent
May 28 21:35:50 <jrajav> Not that that's wrong but it sounds like you want to share some data across ALL the activities of your application
May 28 21:35:55 <jrajav> Is that right?
May 28 21:36:05 <jrajav> And what's the desired end result, exactly
May 28 21:36:19 <jrajav> i.e. what led you to think this is what you need to do
May 28 21:36:30 <f00bar80> Anybody knows why youtube embeded videos cannot be played using the webview ? ? based on this code
May 28 21:36:56 <xorgate> i want the user to shoot a pic, then show a thumbnail in another activity. I get a uri to the pic from the system. Now i get an out of memory error on BitmapFactory.decodeStream() when I try to make the thumbnail. Any thoughts on how to properly load a thumbnail instead of loading it in its entirety into a Bitmap ?
May 28 21:38:28 <ixc> xorgate: maybe this help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2494396/android-image-getter-for-larger-images
May 28 21:39:24 <ixc> but look like no, just title was promising :)
May 28 21:39:42 <xorgate> actually the second answer is on to something
May 28 21:39:53 <Angel07> jrajav yes i want to have that data from screen1 at screen2 and in mainScreen current result.... i manage to do it to screen2 but i dont want to automatically redirects me to screen2 from screen1...  i guess i led myself, i looked many examples and so on and tried it on but did not find a way to do it still... your suggestions?
May 28 21:40:28 <xorgate> thanks ixc i will try that :0
May 28 21:40:44 <xa0c> readme: That is for you. Improved solution talked last night: http://hash.su/7415 horizontal linear layout with one growable control in it.
May 28 21:41:27 <xorgate> or maybe Bitmap.createScaledBitmap
May 28 21:41:37 <jrajav> Angel07: There are a few different ways to do it, for example SharedPreferences or a static class (which will be available process-wide), but the "right" way will depend on what you're trying to accomplish, which is why I asked :)
May 28 21:45:47 <f00bar80> ppl any comment ?
May 28 21:47:33 <droidbuster> question about threads ?? anyoner here good with threads ?
May 28 21:56:26 <jeppy> droidbuster, what's your question?
May 28 21:56:56 <f00bar80> Anybody knows why youtube embeded videos cannot be played using the webview ? ? based on this code
May 28 21:57:13 <jeppy> and per the topic, ask - dont ask to ask
May 28 21:57:23 <f00bar80> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5817805/how-can-we-play-youtube-embeded-code-in-android-application-using-webview
May 28 22:00:42 <droidbuster> jeppy, http://pastebin.com/ryn0R2jE
May 28 22:01:03 <droidbuster> i have triued many diff ways to put that into a thread
May 28 22:01:57 <droidbuster> http://pastebin.com/Af9UAjm9
May 28 22:02:03 <droidbuster> always crashes
May 28 22:02:34 <serban> how do i open an intent in the same tab view
May 28 22:03:11 <jeppy> droidbuster, i'm assuming showHelp() does something on screen?
May 28 22:03:28 <droidbuster> jeppy,  i didnt ask to ask i asked who was a thread pro
May 28 22:03:52 <droidbuster> jeppy,  yes one time show welcome screen
May 28 22:04:04 <jeppy> you cant manipulate the ui from other threads
May 28 22:04:37 <jeppy> this is a good case for AsyncTask
May 28 22:05:08 <droidbuster> ugh hmmm
May 28 22:05:43 <droidbuster> gotta read up i guess i could move the show help out
May 28 22:06:01 <jeppy> does loading the sounds take that long?
May 28 22:06:05 <droidbuster> in the examples i saw they always call thread.start();
May 28 22:06:30 <jeppy> the preferences/showhelp code does not need to be in another thread
May 28 22:06:32 <droidbuster> well there is 30 all small so not really but ever since i added the welcome i got the anr crash
May 28 22:07:28 <droidbuster> jeppy, i could pull that totally out of the thread and try that but will thread automatically fire like i said in all the examples i saw something like thread.start(); but that is not a valid method i guess
May 28 22:08:17 <jeppy> droidbuster, you have to call .start()
May 28 22:08:43 <droidbuster> ill add it and show u the error
May 28 22:08:56 <jeppy> well take the ui code out first
May 28 22:09:34 <droidbuster> i did no errors in eclipse
May 28 22:11:53 <jeppy> droidbuster, your init() method will not be called. when you call thread.start(), the "run()" method will be called
May 28 22:12:18 <droidbuster> change it to run then ?
May 28 22:14:13 <droidbuster> if i change it to run i get can not reduce the inherited method from thread
May 28 22:14:26 <jeppy> it needs to be public
May 28 22:16:30 <droidbuster> still getting stopped unex.... im going to take the showhelp out first
May 28 22:17:18 <jeppy> droidbuster, you should read this post, http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/05/painless-threading.html
May 28 22:17:40 <droidbuster> i will ty jeppy ill let u know
May 28 22:19:55 <devslash> I've got 2 calendar objects. The first called counter is set to the date 5/10/2012. The other one is now and is set to todays date 5/28/2012. I have this code http://pastebin.com/gP9Rvc0H but the toast never executes. i can't figure out what i might be doing wrong
May 28 22:22:59 <devslash> is anyone here ?
May 28 22:23:06 <jeppy> yeahg
May 28 22:23:18 <devslash> can you help me.
May 28 22:23:49 <jeppy> set a breakpoint and step through it? i dont see why the toast wouldn't show. do you get an exception?
May 28 22:24:13 <devslash> no
May 28 22:24:20 <devslash> the while doesn't execute
May 28 22:24:34 <devslash> it should execute at least once
May 28 22:24:35 <jeppy> the toasts before it show?
May 28 22:24:43 <devslash> yes
May 28 22:25:08 <devslash> i use toast to show the values of counter and now
May 28 22:25:32 <devslash> it toasts the dates 5/10/2012 then 05/28/2012
May 28 22:25:52 <jeppy> add parentheses
May 28 22:26:11 <jeppy> maybe it is not calculating the condition the way you expect
May 28 22:26:38 <droidbuster> jeppy another question i have is for testing purposes without resetting the emulator how to i force the showhelp to fire everytime i tried to revert  to false for putting it into the shared prefs
May 28 22:27:02 <devslash> nope
May 28 22:27:14 <f00bar80> Anybody knows why youtube embeded videos cannot be played using the webview ? ? based on this code , >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5817805/how-can-we-play-youtube-embeded-code-in-android-application-using-webview
May 28 22:27:15 <jeppy> devslash, counter.get(Calendar.MONTH) != now.get(Calendar.MONTH)
May 28 22:27:20 <jeppy> but they have the same month
May 28 22:27:34 <devslash> yes but i want to loop until i get to the current date
May 28 22:28:12 <devslash> so i want the month,day of month and year to match
May 28 22:28:40 <jeppy> but it will only execute if they have different months
May 28 22:28:53 <devslash> why
May 28 22:28:55 <jeppy> and you said they contain the dates 5/10/2012 then 05/28/2012
May 28 22:28:57 <devslash> its in a while
May 28 22:29:01 <devslash> yep
May 28 22:29:12 <devslash> the first date is the value of counter, the second of now
May 28 22:29:42 <jeppy> devslash, the condition for while is tested before the code within it executes
May 28 22:29:49 <devslash> i know
May 28 22:30:27 <jeppy> so it will only execute if they have different date, month, and year
May 28 22:30:35 <jeppy> if any are the same it will not execute
May 28 22:30:43 <devslash> so how do i fix it
May 28 22:31:04 <jeppy> change your logic
May 28 22:31:08 <devslash> to what
May 28 22:31:12 <jeppy> it depends on what you want it to do
May 28 22:31:34 <devslash> look until the 2 dates match
May 28 22:31:38 <devslash> lop
May 28 22:31:39 <devslash> loop
May 28 22:31:55 <jeppy> droidbuster, set a debug boolean variable or something to signal that you want it to fire anyways
May 28 22:32:41 <droidbuster> ok ty again or i guess hardcode it to fire till im ready to finish the app
May 28 22:32:55 <jeppy> you want to loop through every date between the two given?
May 28 22:33:07 <jeppy> droidbuster, that will work
May 28 22:33:14 <devslash> yea
May 28 22:33:16 <devslash> hang on
May 28 22:34:12 <devslash> i got it
May 28 22:34:20 <jeppy> good
May 28 22:35:11 <devslash> thanks
May 28 22:35:15 <devslash> pebkac error
May 28 22:35:26 <jeppy> ?
May 28 22:35:52 <ironhalik> I've got this problem - trigerred by incoming SMS, my app starts a service and gets some extras from the intent starting it. Occasionally, I get a FC with nullpointerexception, because the service is restarted by android, with intent being null. Will stopSelf() at the end of onStartCommand() be enough to prevent this?
May 28 22:39:33 <jeppy> ironhalik, i'm not sure what happens if you call stopSelf() from inside onStartCommand(), but it seems that you should check it the extras are null before trying to access them.
May 28 22:39:58 <jeppy> check *if* the extras are null
May 28 22:40:10 <ironhalik> Yeah, did that but it seems kinda patchy
May 28 22:40:35 <jeppy> do you not want it to run if it is restarted by the system?
May 28 22:40:49 <ironhalik> actually, the docs say the intent can be null
May 28 22:41:19 <jeppy> check that too then :D
May 28 22:41:37 <ironhalik> yeah, I would prefer it to be ran only when proper broadcast was received, do its code and then dont bother me until another proper broadcast is received
May 28 22:42:45 <jeppy> see if stopSelf() works. I haven't used services much
May 28 22:43:04 <ironhalik> yeah, Ill see that
May 28 22:43:23 <ironhalik> probably should figure how to simulate when android restarts my service
May 28 23:22:59 <CQN> anyone know if there's a readability api for android?
May 28 23:23:03 <CQN> or something equivalent
May 28 23:23:07 <CQN> to extract article text
May 28 23:27:42 <readme> jsoup
May 28 23:27:47 <readme> CQN: ^
May 28 23:28:03 <readme> extract h1-h6 and p tags
May 28 23:31:47 <jduck> anyone using the a checkout from the mirror manifest?
May 28 23:31:50 <jduck> s/the/
May 28 23:35:49 <CQN> readme: ok, i'm already using jsoup
May 28 23:35:51 <CQN> i'll give that a shot
May 28 23:36:19 <CQN> readme: the problem is that there are p tags with non-article content
May 28 23:37:52 <readme> CQN: you can use a bayesian fitler
May 28 23:37:54 <readme> filter*
May 28 23:37:59 <CQN> ok
May 28 23:38:02 <readme> read up on them, you will have to code it yourself
May 28 23:38:35 <rvsjoen_> i'm trying to figure out how to customize the look of my actionbar, but I can't seem to get it right, the actionbar just disappears. anyone spot anything wrong with this ? http://codepad.org/EQISsHXm
May 28 23:40:20 <pragma-> the indentation is wrong
May 28 23:40:28 <pragma-> horribly wrong
May 28 23:47:45 <rvsjoen_> even http://codepad.org/62ektDKg kills the actionbar styling, so i'm guessing there's something wrong with the parent="" attribute, not sure what though
May 28 23:53:17 <jduck> aha, i checked out improperly
May 29 00:25:26 <Q-> Hey dudes, I have a question. If, in my application, I wanted to add some sort of log where, when the user makes an action, it would go to a log file, and they would be able to see all completed actions done in the past in an activity that would read that file. How would I got about doint this?
May 29 00:26:15 <leslie> just write it to a file and have an activity to read and display that file
May 29 00:27:54 <Q-> How?
May 29 00:28:02 <Q-> please elaborate :D
May 29 00:29:34 <leslie> which part are you having trouble with?
May 29 00:30:23 <Q-> creating a file to write to, and writing to it.
May 29 00:31:08 <Q-> that wouldn't be done with sharedpreferences would it? cause I know how to do that
May 29 00:31:30 <jeppy> Q-, http://developer.android.com/reference/java/io/FileWriter.html
May 29 00:31:38 <leslie> no
May 29 00:31:49 <leslie> Q-: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesInternal
May 29 00:41:31 <pragma-> sigh
May 29 00:41:37 <pragma-> nothing's on the internet today
May 29 00:41:42 <pragma-> same old shit
May 29 00:59:31 <devslash> I'm seeing a lot of these message in logcat.  is this something i need to be concerned about ? 05-28 17:57:23.326: D/dalvikvm(8477): GC_CONCURRENT freed 389K, 50% free 3266K/6471K, external 1028K/1380K, paused 1ms+4ms. my app takes a really long time to load
May 29 01:00:55 <jalmeida> hi all,
May 29 01:01:10 <jalmeida> guys is possible draw in android canvas
May 29 01:01:11 <jalmeida> http://postimage.org/image/wrrwvu1wj
May 29 01:01:43 <jalmeida> example in this image, is possible draw image are from other rect image area
May 29 01:44:41 <canadiancow|work> today has been so quiet
May 29 01:56:42 <JakeWharton> and I was enjoying it until you had to open your mouth
May 29 01:56:48 <JakeWharton> virtually, that is
May 29 02:12:49 <canadiancow|work> stfu JakeWharton :(
May 29 02:34:22 <b1n0ry> hi guys, happy memorial day to those in the 'states
May 29 02:44:58 <b1n0ry> so about what we were discussing earlier... pulling images from a web server based on density. i wrote a bit of a php block that i pass densityDpi to for the device and it sends back an l/m/d/h/xhdpi image based on that... anyone think of a better way?
May 29 02:45:31 <b1n0ry> passes dpi and the file name to the web server as GET variables and the web server returns the appropriate image
May 29 02:46:21 <b1n0ry> and yes, it will handle non-standard dpi
May 29 02:47:10 <parco> has anyone ever dealt with SL4A?
May 29 02:49:30 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: sounds reasonable, if you know the destination size you may also want to pass that back
May 29 02:49:35 <JakeWharton> or rather, in
May 29 02:49:38 <DubLo7> A day or so late, but thanks for the response b1n0ry… :-)  Very helpful
May 29 02:49:40 <JakeWharton> that way you can scale on the server as well
May 29 02:50:41 <b1n0ry> i'm passing the size of the file back. the files are originally stored in the server pre-scaled.
May 29 02:50:57 <b1n0ry> i'm going to build a scale utility on the webserver so i can easily upload/store the files in the different necessary formats using imagemagick
May 29 02:51:49 <b1n0ry> also, my bitmap manager class handles local caching of the file so it doesn't have to keep going to the server to download it. just once.
May 29 02:52:01 <b1n0ry> well.. once per run. it's in volatile cache
May 29 02:52:24 <b1n0ry> no sense keeping it on the device if it turns into a 'use once' kind of object
May 29 02:58:42 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: thumbor
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