**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:58 2012
May 29 03:01:13 <b1n0ry> thumbor?
May 29 03:01:50 <pragma-> 7humb0r
May 29 03:03:07 * b1n0ry googles
May 29 03:03:13 <b1n0ry> looks intriguing
May 29 03:05:35 <b1n0ry> DubLo7, i'm not sure i remember what we were talking about, but you're undoubtedly welcome :)
May 29 03:07:30 <b1n0ry> so... despite the docs that say http cache response is available on sdk 13 and newer, i have an sdk 13 device that doesn't like it...
May 29 03:08:30 <b1n0ry> had a sdk version detection that enabled it if the sdk >= 13... loaded it into my device and crashes because it can't find the class
May 29 03:09:08 <b1n0ry> so, note to self to not assume that the docs are always accurate because who knows wtf OEMs do with their devices...
May 29 03:30:20 <alex_PP> morning all
May 29 03:35:22 <b1n0ry> hmm... something i'm doing wrong. even the scaled images are coming in looking like garbage.
May 29 03:36:46 <b1n0ry> how does the market make images in listviews/downloads and stuff look so crisp?
May 29 03:42:09 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Hi
May 29 03:42:53 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> If I use cout << "hello" << endl, where is the "hello" going?
May 29 03:43:49 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I mean in c++ layer
May 29 03:44:16 <bankai_>  /dev/null apparently
May 29 03:44:36 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: it probably downloads pixel-perfect sizes
May 29 03:45:13 <b1n0ry> well, if i pass it 240dpi, which i am, it downloads a 72x72 image
May 29 03:45:29 <b1n0ry> and it's putting it into a 48x48sp box.
May 29 03:45:36 <JakeWharton> you mean dp?
May 29 03:47:21 <b1n0ry> yeah, dp
May 29 03:47:33 <JakeWharton> ok well that's correct
May 29 03:47:57 <b1n0ry> so, my calculations say that a 72 x 72 image is right for that size box
May 29 03:48:04 <b1n0ry> unless my calculations are wrong
May 29 03:48:04 <JakeWharton> yes
May 29 03:48:06 <JakeWharton> no
May 29 03:48:23 <b1n0ry> so when i look at the image on the web server, it's crystal clear. when i look at it on the screen it's terrible.
May 29 03:48:27 <JakeWharton> 240dpi is HDPI which means 1.5x DP therefore 48dp is 72px
May 29 03:49:04 <JakeWharton> are you in ARGB_8888 mode?
May 29 03:49:11 <b1n0ry> that i don't know...
May 29 03:49:15 <b1n0ry> how would i know that?
May 29 03:49:34 <JakeWharton> getWindow().setFormat(PixelFormat.RGBA_8888);
May 29 03:49:58 <b1n0ry> can i do that in my fragment?
May 29 03:50:01 <JakeWharton> no
May 29 03:50:05 <JakeWharton> put it in your base activity
May 29 03:50:09 <JakeWharton> as the very first thing in onCreate
May 29 03:50:09 <b1n0ry> ok, i'll give it a shot
May 29 03:50:23 <b1n0ry> what is it/what's it do?
May 29 03:50:39 <JakeWharton> set the pixel mode to full color
May 29 03:51:20 <JakeWharton> i'm off
May 29 03:51:44 <b1n0ry> added that, they still look terrible.
May 29 03:52:09 <JakeWharton> debug it
May 29 03:52:13 <JakeWharton> make sure it's the correct size
May 29 03:52:17 <JakeWharton> make sure there's no additional scaling
May 29 03:52:18 <JakeWharton> etc.
May 29 03:54:58 <mahamoti> I need to convert an animated gif into a sprite sheet texture for rendering inside GLSurfaceView, but cant figure out how to extract the individual animated gif frames.  any ideas?
May 29 03:56:27 <EastCoastCal> Photoshop has that capability im fairly certain. You can view individual frames and export them by loading the gif into PS
May 29 03:57:13 <DopeShope> hi
May 29 03:59:31 <mahamoti> EastCoastCal, i could easily split the animated gif into frames but I want to distribute the animations to the app in gif format
May 29 04:00:01 <DopeShope> I m new at android communication .. n stuck at proceeding communication through usb without changin ny config details.. plz help
May 29 04:01:30 <DopeShope> i wana set up a bidirectional pipe between android device and pc through usb
May 29 04:02:54 <ZNaught> does anyone know of a launcher that allows custom icons greater than 90x90 or a way to get MIUI launcher to allow larger icons?
May 29 04:05:11 <DopeShope> -clear
May 29 04:07:07 <ZNaught> DopeShope: what?
May 29 04:12:16 <net123> hi
May 29 04:23:32 <net123> hi 2 all
May 29 04:24:25 <net123> can anyone please help me how to do communication between computer and phone without the help of adb?
May 29 04:24:43 <net123> phone is android phone
May 29 04:27:25 <sonicrules1234> net123: Mount it as a storage device?
May 29 04:30:22 <net123> sonicrules1234 can you please elaborate on this?
May 29 04:30:49 <sonicrules1234> net123: Plug it in, and see if it works like a thumb drive
May 29 04:34:30 <net123> how to get contacts from the android phone to computer?
May 29 04:36:12 <net123> sonicrules1234 how to get contacts from the android phone to computer?
May 29 04:45:08 <b1n0ry> apparently imageview can scale png files much better than it can jpg files
May 29 04:45:33 <Seion> why is if ( f.length == 0L ) throwing a java.lang.NullPointerException ??
May 29 04:45:35 <b1n0ry> good to know
May 29 04:45:55 <b1n0ry> if f is null, you can't call the length method
May 29 04:46:19 <b1n0ry> if (f == null || f.length == 0L) ... might work
May 29 04:46:29 <Seion> File[] f = new File( extras.getString("appDir") ).listFiles(fileFilter); if ( f.length == 0L )
May 29 04:47:21 <Seion> if that was not able to create f would that not throw an exception? which I have a try catch for
May 29 04:49:02 <b1n0ry> i don't know the file io stuff as well as i should, sorry
May 29 04:49:10 <b1n0ry> i guessed f was a string or something
May 29 04:49:20 <Seion> i figured it out :D
May 29 04:49:32 <b1n0ry> what was going on?
May 29 04:50:13 <Seion> i just did if ( f == null ) instead of doing if (f.length == 0L )
May 29 04:50:37 <b1n0ry> that works
May 29 04:50:48 <b1n0ry> i think null is a legitimate return
May 29 04:50:57 <sonicrules1234> net123: No idea
May 29 04:50:58 <b1n0ry> which is probably why it's not throwing an exception
May 29 04:51:15 <sonicrules1234> You can probably export it from your google account
May 29 04:52:53 <Seion> cool
May 29 04:53:19 <b1n0ry> nice job
May 29 05:45:03 <g00s> http://sachagreif.com/why-cheap-customers-cost-more/
May 29 06:17:40 <tmho> hi
May 29 06:53:47 <pragma-> JakeWharton: I've given in and decided to use your actionbar
May 29 06:54:28 <g00s> pragma-: how is it going so far ?
May 29 06:54:54 <pragma-> Just added it to my project and got it to build successfully
May 29 06:55:11 <pragma-> now I have to actually USE the sherlock classes and enable the actionbar
May 29 06:55:18 <JakeWharton> let me know if you have any questions
May 29 06:55:36 <JakeWharton> it's pretty straightforward if you're not an idiot but there's a lot of gotchas unfortunately :(
May 29 06:55:48 <JakeWharton> and I know you're not an idiot
May 29 06:55:52 <JakeWharton> so watch out for the gotchas
May 29 06:56:12 <pragma-> I tried to go with the google actionbarcompat example but discovered that it had a couple of bugs and was extremely lacking
May 29 06:56:12 <JakeWharton> imports, theme, base classes, support methods
May 29 06:56:31 <JakeWharton> I'm glad you recognized it as an example rather than a library
May 29 06:56:36 <pragma-> yeah, use Sherlock's menuitems, etc
May 29 06:57:05 <JakeWharton> yeah, those four things are my checklist that I run down whenever I have problems
May 29 06:57:07 <g00s> pragma-: i think they really dropped the ball there :|
May 29 06:58:33 <pragma-> aside, my project has now increased from 250Kb in size to 650Kb in size since adding the library :)
May 29 06:58:38 <pragma-> s/project/apk/
May 29 06:58:51 * pragma- is approaching the dreaded 1MB mark
May 29 06:59:13 <JakeWharton> 5MB is the dreaded mark for me
May 29 06:59:26 <pragma-> It seems as if all the 200 byte 9patch image files are actually taking up 1024 bytes of space in the zip
May 29 06:59:40 <Drakonite> 40MB is the dreaded mark for me... that is where stuff stops working >_<
May 29 06:59:53 <JakeWharton> pragma-: you can fork and delete one of the themes if you're not using it
May 29 06:59:58 <pragma-> seems to be storing the files on boundaries
May 29 07:00:14 <Drakonite> 1KB block sounds reasonable for a zip file
May 29 07:00:16 <JakeWharton> we keep an internal fork where all of the Theme.Sherlock.Light assets are gone
May 29 07:00:21 <pragma-> JakeWharton: yeah, I'm likely to do that
May 29 07:00:36 <Drakonite> reasonable == reasonable expectation
May 29 07:00:53 <JakeWharton> if Android actually used Maven I could specify them as dependencies and then you could just <exclude> them
May 29 07:00:57 <JakeWharton> if only...
May 29 07:02:20 <woozly> 
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May 29 07:02:27 * pragma- assaults woozly 
May 29 07:04:04 <pragma-> god, I love git.  I was able to pause my actionbarsherlock integration and stash it, switch to a different branch to update a feature and commit and push it, then go back to my actionbar branch and stash apply
May 29 07:04:32 <g00s> pragma-: thats basic stuff any decent vc will have :)
May 29 07:04:34 <pragma-> so painless
May 29 07:04:46 <pragma-> yeah, try doing that with svn
May 29 07:04:54 <g00s> i said decent :)
May 29 07:04:58 <Drakonite> ^
May 29 07:05:43 <JakeWharton> I'm not sure mercurial could do that so elegantly
May 29 07:06:31 <Drakonite> I'm willing to bet it could do it more elegantly, as it supports all those features plus has some better tools available
May 29 07:07:12 <JakeWharton> well tools are irrelevant to this discussion
May 29 07:07:24 <Drakonite> what?
May 29 07:07:36 <JakeWharton> i was referring to the convoluted nature of mercurials branching
May 29 07:08:02 <Drakonite> The discussion appeared to be about how elegantly a task could be completed within a VCS.  the tools providing the interface to the VCS are very definitely on topic.
May 29 07:08:40 <JakeWharton> yeah but I could write a bash script that did exactly what he described for ANY version control system
May 29 07:08:58 <g00s_> dammit, i got disconnected
May 29 07:09:14 <JakeWharton> get a bouncer
May 29 07:09:51 <Drakonite> sure, but the effort to write the script would be a factor in consideration.  If it requires writing a script to complete the action, it's not elegant.
May 29 07:10:14 <JakeWharton> well someone had to write the tools
May 29 07:10:26 <JakeWharton> therefore they shouldn't be a factor
May 29 07:11:10 <Drakonite> IMO that reply makes no sense.
May 29 07:11:19 <Ge0rG> freenode is really flaky in the last weeks
May 29 07:11:33 <Drakonite> That is like saying someone had to build that airplane, so it's just as easy if you build your own.
May 29 07:12:07 <JakeWharton> it is nothing of that sort
May 29 07:12:30 <Drakonite> It is exactly that sort
May 29 07:12:33 <JakeWharton> we're talking about the capabilities of a VCS not additional functionality provided by tooling built on top of it
May 29 07:13:40 <pragma-> I have also added the follow bash aliases for git: g, gti, and gt
May 29 07:14:02 <Drakonite> I'm not talking about obscure scripts on some random github repo, I'm referring to the tools I'd expect to be present when using Hg vs when using Git.
May 29 07:14:13 <JakeWharton> which would be the CLI
May 29 07:14:25 <JakeWharton> since that's what's provided out of the box with both of those VCSs
May 29 07:14:40 <pragma-> I wish I could just plug something into my spine to interface with my PC without having to type
May 29 07:15:25 * pragma- gives new meaning to "Lo and behold"
May 29 07:15:27 <Drakonite> both git and Hg contain GUI components as well. For instance git comes with gitk
May 29 07:16:19 <pragma-> Imagine just being able to hold the image of a 3d model in your mind and have your computer generate the proper resource.
May 29 07:16:28 <g00s> holy crap, this LG display is going to have a pixel density of 440 ppi
May 29 07:16:35 <pragma-> of course, there'd probably be a lot of headaches at the end of the day
May 29 07:16:40 <Drakonite> If that existed, I'd be scared to visit the internet.
May 29 07:16:46 <g00s> where is my f%$%^ svg assets google
May 29 07:17:07 <pragma-> I can barely hold 3 numbers in my head at once
May 29 07:18:14 <Drakonite> g00s: of all the things I'd complain to google about, svg is not one of them... I'd blame the SVG working group first.
May 29 07:18:32 <JakeWharton> there's drop-in SVG libraries
May 29 07:18:34 <JakeWharton> they work great
May 29 07:18:44 <g00s> i thought they didn't work great
May 29 07:18:49 <g00s> have you tried any ?
May 29 07:18:52 <Drakonite> I've never seen one that worked great
May 29 07:19:00 <JakeWharton> yes, use one
May 29 07:19:01 <JakeWharton> it works great
May 29 07:20:19 <JakeWharton> we only use it for about 6 assets though, it's easier and faster to provide scaled images
May 29 07:20:26 <Drakonite> I've seen a couple that are insanely popular, but uses a ton of resources (for a mobile device), neither of which were very "drop in" when I last tried them.  The others were either horribly buggy or horribly non-compliant.
May 29 07:20:32 <Drakonite> JakeWharton: what library?  I'd be very interested.
May 29 07:20:50 <JakeWharton> svg-android maybe?
May 29 07:20:51 <JakeWharton> i don't know
May 29 07:21:03 <JakeWharton> we wrote a 150ish line SvgImageView that does all the work for you
May 29 07:21:09 <JakeWharton> i only interface with that
May 29 07:21:53 <tmho> nice work with actionbarsherlock jake
May 29 07:22:06 <tmho> using it for a second time now
May 29 07:22:11 <vavirta> heh
May 29 07:22:13 <JakeWharton> cool
May 29 07:22:14 <JakeWharton> w
May 29 07:22:17 <JakeWharton> what was the first?
May 29 07:22:51 <tmho> a project that will never see the light of day sadly, funding got cut
May 29 07:23:00 <JakeWharton> ah, always a shame
May 29 07:23:09 <JakeWharton> well hopefully this one will make it through haha
May 29 07:23:34 <tmho> bit of a shame, im just updating some old code now to give it a fresh new look
May 29 07:23:53 <tmho> of an existing app
May 29 07:27:24 <g00s> cool this android phone has a radiation detector
May 29 07:28:24 <hrnt> my coworker just got a galaxy S3
May 29 07:28:25 <g00s> next i want ozone, fanboy, pm2.5, pm10, voc, humidity sensory
May 29 07:28:35 <Ge0rG> g00s: radiation? how does it do that?
May 29 07:28:45 <JakeWharton> i'll take a fuckwad sensor
May 29 07:28:45 <g00s> Ge0rG: i dunno http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/29/3049388/softbank-pantone-5-107sh-hands-on-radiation-detection
May 29 07:29:11 <JakeWharton> if (isUserAnIdiot()) { //TODO flash bright shiny things }
May 29 07:29:41 <JakeWharton> probably a hardcoded "return true;" and then all the custom ROMs can change it to false
May 29 07:29:42 <JakeWharton> perfect!
May 29 07:30:11 <Ge0rG> JakeWharton: you are one step closer to it with face-unlock ;)
May 29 07:30:31 <Ge0rG> just need a metric for face dumbness
May 29 07:30:35 <JakeWharton> haha
May 29 07:30:49 <JakeWharton> that might be a new interviewing question
May 29 07:31:04 <JakeWharton> write an algorithm for determining how intelligent someone is using this facial recognition API
May 29 07:31:34 <Ge0rG> g00s: there recently was an app in the news that used the camera ccd, which was taped over with black tape, to detect radiation
May 29 07:31:46 <g00s> Ge0rG: yeah, i seem to remember that
May 29 07:31:54 <JakeWharton> if (hasDuckFace()) { intelligence -= 1e10; }
May 29 07:31:55 <g00s> it showed up as noise i think
May 29 07:32:03 <Ge0rG> maybe they just put in a second ccd somewhere in the case?
May 29 07:32:33 <Zharf> JakeWharton, some people tend to associate a lot of facial hair with low intelligence
May 29 07:32:39 <Zharf> at least in my experience
May 29 07:32:48 <JakeWharton> but it also could mean they're a Unix sysadmin
May 29 07:32:55 <Zharf> yes indeed
May 29 07:33:06 <JakeWharton> we need another metric to differentiate the two
May 29 07:33:13 <JakeWharton> hasPocketProtector()
May 29 07:33:34 <JakeWharton> that may be too old school
May 29 07:33:54 <JakeWharton> isWearingDeveloperConferenceShirtThatIsTooSmallForTheirBodyType()
May 29 07:34:00 <JakeWharton> there we go
May 29 07:34:08 <Zharf> :P
May 29 07:34:31 <g00s> hasFatMufflerOnCar would be another predicate
May 29 07:34:56 <Zharf> wonder if I can get my skype profile photo out of skype somehow..
May 29 07:37:32 <Zharf> ha, there
May 29 07:38:58 <Zharf> JakeWharton, here's something you can work on! http://pikersden.eu/~eclipser/me.jpg
May 29 07:39:02 <Zharf> ;)
May 29 07:40:27 <Ge0rG> Zharf: that face rather looks like it urgently needs a big cup of coffee
May 29 07:40:46 <Exano> Hey guys, is it possible to save an integer during a livewallpaper onPause  call through something like sharedpreferences, or am I going to lock stuff up ?
May 29 07:40:53 <Zharf> Ge0rG, I don't drink coffee
May 29 07:41:32 <Ge0rG> Zharf: maybe you should, then! :P
May 29 07:41:47 <Zharf> :p
May 29 07:42:00 <Exano> I have way to much stuff I need to load to do it all at once and have a good experience, figure its worth asking here before I attempt it and turns out you can do that because :P
May 29 07:46:07 <Zharf> Exano, try it ;)
May 29 07:48:24 <Exano> Totally works
May 29 07:48:48 <Exano> How do you like that
May 29 07:50:34 <thepoosh> ?
May 29 07:50:41 <thepoosh> hello guys
May 29 07:50:47 <Exano> yo
May 29 07:51:27 <thepoosh> I need some help. I have an app that needs to detect if the phone was turned over and how
May 29 07:51:36 <thepoosh> is there a good tutorial on this?
May 29 07:54:30 <XeruX> Can't seem to find any library for couchdb for android (client)
May 29 07:54:31 <Blou_Aap> maybe use the light sensor
May 29 07:54:53 <XeruX> Tried downloading the java client sdk from http://www.couchbase.com, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with android? .s
May 29 07:55:21 <thepoosh> Blou_Aap: thanks, but i need to know how exactly it was turned
May 29 07:55:31 <thepoosh> right to left, top to bottom
May 29 07:55:35 <thepoosh> stuff like this
May 29 07:55:58 <Blou_Aap> there is the orientation listener
May 29 07:56:12 <Blou_Aap> you can use that instead of using configchanges
May 29 07:56:13 <thepoosh> and it can detect exactly this?
May 29 07:56:31 <MDijkstra> well, it's not always perfect
May 29 07:56:56 <Blou_Aap> then you can have the angles conditioned ilke if angle>260 && angle < 280 etc
May 29 07:57:22 <thepoosh> the orientation sensor has angles?
May 29 07:57:46 <Blou_Aap> i use it on an app that has been downloaded 3 million times and haven't got 1 crash report using it
May 29 07:58:03 <Blou_Aap> so i think its good to use
May 29 07:58:03 <thepoosh> 3 mil?!?!?!?!
May 29 07:58:07 <thepoosh> NICE!
May 29 07:58:13 <mms_> hi from what I understand is that even if I do not have data enabled / internet from my service provider enabled / purchased I can still use location service since it will use cell tower connectivity to get location.  is that right ?
May 29 07:58:13 <MDijkstra> there's not really an orientation sensor in a lot of devices, so it depends on the accuracy you need, afaik
May 29 07:58:13 <thepoosh> is there a good tutorial on that?
May 29 07:58:17 <Blou_Aap> well its kind of forced by a carrier lol
May 29 07:58:38 <thepoosh> Blou_Aap: even better, sweet deal
May 29 07:58:38 <Blou_Aap> not 3million "willing" downloads hahaha
May 29 07:59:10 <Blou_Aap> but you want flip over where the screen is facing the ground ?
May 29 07:59:20 <Blou_Aap> or are you talking about rotation?
May 29 07:59:37 <mms_> location meaning some local information that the cell tower will provide like name of locality it uses to identify itself.
May 29 08:00:03 <thepoosh> the phone is faceing the ground, and when you flip it back, I need to know how you did this
May 29 08:00:19 <thepoosh> there's a difference between the different flips
May 29 08:00:24 <Blou_Aap> mmm that would be using the light sensor
May 29 08:00:49 <Blou_Aap> well then you use the 2 together and use your logic for the conditions
May 29 08:01:00 <thepoosh> do you have a good source for learning this?
May 29 08:01:39 <thepoosh> started googling about this
May 29 08:02:00 <Blou_Aap> i used the docs for the OrientationListener, very simple class and simple callbacks  I haven't used the light sensor yet
May 29 08:02:05 <Blou_Aap> will see if i can find one
May 29 08:02:42 <Blou_Aap> http://kpbird.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-light-sensor.html
May 29 08:02:46 <Blou_Aap> ^ for light sensor
May 29 08:03:14 <thepoosh> oooo thanks
May 29 08:03:35 <Blou_Aap> try use an inner class though, i find it a lot more maintainable with inner classes for event listeners
May 29 08:04:37 <thepoosh> ok
May 29 08:04:42 <thepoosh> I'll look into it
May 29 08:05:13 <Blou_Aap> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/OrientationListener.html
May 29 08:05:27 <thepoosh> Blou_Aap: if i force the screen orientation in the manifest, does it kill the OrientationListener?
May 29 08:05:28 <Blou_Aap> and that instead of ConfigChanged
May 29 08:05:38 <Blou_Aap> yes it does
May 29 08:05:50 <Blou_Aap> h wait no
May 29 08:05:53 <Blou_Aap> oh*
May 29 08:05:58 <thepoosh> well, I'm screwed, because the boss told me to force that
May 29 08:06:08 <Blou_Aap> its ok
May 29 08:06:14 <Blou_Aap> you can force it at manifest
May 29 08:06:20 <thepoosh> android:screenOrientation="portrait"
May 29 08:06:22 <Gambit-> any of you used oauth before?
May 29 08:06:27 <Blou_Aap> the OrientationListener checks the sensor
May 29 08:06:34 <Blou_Aap> won't flip your views or anything
May 29 08:06:34 <Gambit-> can you do identity only authentication with it, no priveledge grants?
May 29 08:07:01 <thepoosh> so the views will stay the same but the sensors will preform onOrientationChanged?
May 29 08:07:16 <Blou_Aap> yes
May 29 08:07:21 <thepoosh> awesome
May 29 08:07:21 <Blou_Aap> ill post my code
May 29 08:07:24 <Blou_Aap> hold on
May 29 08:12:58 <Blou_Aap> thepoosh, http://pastebin.com/drdiMU65
May 29 08:13:09 <thepoosh> thanks a bunch
May 29 08:14:00 <Blou_Aap> remember it measures all degrees
May 29 08:14:11 <thepoosh> cool
May 29 08:14:12 <Blou_Aap> so use conditions with like 10 or 20 lee way
May 29 08:14:50 <thepoosh> but this is a 3-dimension sphere and not a 360 circle
May 29 08:14:57 <thepoosh> I wounder
May 29 08:16:25 <hyotam> hey, anyone have any experience with making zxing work in portrait?
May 29 08:16:32 <thepoosh> Blou_Aap: how do I take care of the 3D part, it's the turning over the phone that I need to detect
May 29 08:16:39 <thepoosh> not the orientation
May 29 08:16:50 <thepoosh> as a 2D orientation
May 29 08:17:12 <Blou_Aap> thats what i asked before, you said you using a combination of both
May 29 08:17:25 <Blou_Aap> the light sensor is used to do the flip over
May 29 08:17:47 <thepoosh> well, i need to know how it was turned from top to bottom, from right to left and so on
May 29 08:17:57 <thepoosh> hmmmm
May 29 08:17:59 <thepoosh> ok
May 29 08:19:34 <thepoosh> so basically, if the light sensor detects a turning, I need to detect orientation and do somthing accordingly>
May 29 08:19:37 <thepoosh> ?
May 29 08:27:26 <rawroland> Hello
May 29 08:28:27 <rawroland> Is it possible to wait after a user has not been typing in an autocomplete textview for a certain amount of time before doing something else?
May 29 08:29:35 <rawroland> I am trying to show autocomplete elements from a php script with json, but I deep getting a random threadpoolexecutor exception.
May 29 08:30:30 <rawroland> I read somewhere that it could be due to the fact that I am trying too many asynctask worker threads.
May 29 08:37:10 <mms_> hi is it efficient to use a alarm service to pull information about location periodically or better to implement location listener ?
May 29 08:38:13 <Blou_Aap> thepoosh, http://android-er.blogspot.com/2011/02/detect-phone-flipping.html
May 29 08:39:22 <thepoosh> Blou_Aap: thanks, my boss just told me to look at this too
May 29 08:39:49 <thepoosh> RazielZ: why share you're IP with everybody?
May 29 08:41:09 <RazielZ> no idea
May 29 08:42:27 <Gambit-> Anyone used an API for automatic saving of game data out over the cloud, so that it could be used on multiple devices?
May 29 08:54:42 <ocx> hi guys, does anyone know any good book to master creating professional UI interfaces? not finding much documentation and examples on the net
May 29 08:59:45 <Drakonite> Gambit-: reasonably sure there isn't one
May 29 09:01:40 <jmoerk> ocx, It's called The Book of Life - The Trial and Error series :P
May 29 09:01:51 <ocx> haha
May 29 09:01:53 <ocx> good one
May 29 09:02:01 <mms_> I think I need to stop service when the phone is locked and start when unlocked
May 29 09:02:06 <mms_> how to do that ?
May 29 09:02:18 <ocx> use bcast receivers?
May 29 09:03:01 <mms_> ocx: ok which intent then ?
May 29 09:03:23 <ocx> look it up i dont know its name
May 29 09:03:39 <mms_> ocx: so do I still need to code it as service ?
May 29 09:04:46 <ocx> yea since your activity will pause when your phone phone is locked, or implement onPause() ? :/
May 29 09:04:47 <stermi> Hi guys
May 29 09:05:17 <stermi> do you know how to put a layout in overlay when you wake from lockscreen? (eg: music player)
May 29 09:05:42 <mms_> ocx: the thing is its not having any gui...basically I want to show location only
May 29 09:06:15 <mms_> ocx: sounds like I will start stop service in broadcast and in service update using notification
May 29 09:07:38 <sylverfox> hello
May 29 09:08:03 <Ge0rG> stermi: watch out, on some devices you can't draw anything when the screen is locked. on others, you might be able to use a notification
May 29 09:08:35 <sylverfox> i have a problem following a tutorial from the official site, can someone help me please?
May 29 09:08:48 <stermi> Ge0rG, users (and boss) want the lockscreen feature for our music player :D So I need to implement that feature :)
May 29 09:09:20 <sylverfox> something is not ok, with gridview
May 29 09:12:03 <sylverfox> or should i ask somewhere esle?
May 29 09:13:00 <anddam> hi
May 29 09:13:33 <Snuffel> hi
May 29 09:14:09 <erwt> hello
May 29 09:14:13 <anddam> I've seen an example using @Override before a "public void onPrepared(MediaPlayer)" definition, since MediaPlayer.OnPreparedListener is an interface is that @Override needed or suggested at all?
May 29 09:15:56 <sylverfox> anyone here disposed to help me with my gridview problem???
May 29 09:16:16 <erwt> Can anyone tell me , DO we have an android x11-session manager ie android-x11 similar to android-vnc , is it under construction ,or someonw has already done it
May 29 09:18:01 <saintrafter> hi
May 29 09:18:34 <saintrafter> how do i stream camera vids in my app?
May 29 09:23:21 <pihhan> saintrafter:  have you tried tutorials and camera API reference?
May 29 09:23:52 <saintrafter> have been searching the net for three days. no luck
May 29 09:24:18 <pihhan> what do you mean by streaming vids?
May 29 09:24:54 <saintrafter> i mean i want to live stream the camera to s server
May 29 09:25:34 <pihhan> so you want to send live video from camera to server via network like wifi?
May 29 09:25:56 <saintrafter> yes and 3g
May 29 09:29:16 <pihhan> are you sure 3g network has good enough upload? video is bandwith intensive and 3g is designed for downloading, not for upload
May 29 09:29:50 <p_l> pihhan: the big marketing point of 3G was live video both way
May 29 09:29:52 <p_l> *ways
May 29 09:30:29 <pihhan> have you tried MediaRecorder.setOutputFile with native socket identifier, connected to remote server as TCP connection?
May 29 09:33:31 <pihhan> p_l: depends on what resolution and framerate will be used, you may believe the marketing, or not :)
May 29 09:34:32 <pihhan> but i would expect you will have to catch each frame, pass it into video encoder, its output then sent over socket or http connection.
May 29 09:36:20 <pihhan> a lot of work from my view, but i dont know high level apis that might be able do that quick
May 29 09:42:40 <mms_> I have only a service and receiver in apk then do I need to add intent filters main and launcher ?
May 29 09:43:16 <mms_> receiver is going to start/stop service so should I make receiver main and launcher ?
May 29 09:49:21 <appel1> mms_: no, those are for activities afaik
May 29 09:49:48 <mms_> appel1: thanks...I then have no main in my apk...
May 29 09:51:49 <pi_anto> hi guys. any idea how to manage the untrusted certificates? i need to get rid of them, actually i'm having a "No peer certificate" response..
May 29 09:52:06 <pihhan> mms_: are you sure yo do not want some configuration activity, or status display? it should not be needed, but users might expect some activity
May 29 09:52:33 <drindt> hey there i would use another http client lib, but it seems that i have to change the package name to use it?
May 29 09:52:53 <mms_> pihhan: actually I currently would have only status notification but then I am going to add later...currently using just logging
May 29 09:53:38 <mms_> for now can I guess I can stop service using setting right ?
May 29 09:53:50 <saintrafter> OK, sorry, network stopped working.
May 29 09:54:20 <saintrafter> pihhan: What would I need server-side in your solution?
May 29 09:56:20 <pihhan> saintrafter: i dont know what you are supposed to do on the server with that video. You might just save it to file. I
May 29 09:57:06 <pihhan> saintrafter: if you want work with that video, you would need complete decoding pipeline on server.
May 29 09:58:36 <deweylewie> If I manually exclude support for a certain device what happens to all the people who own that device and have already bought the app?
May 29 10:05:34 <mms_> whats the emulator key to lock / unlock the phone ?
May 29 10:07:28 <anddam> I want to move the play button to the right http://d.pr/i/wpW7 - should I use an horizontal layout with a spacer?
May 29 10:14:49 <saintrafter> thing is i want to live stream from one android camera to another android phone. saving the file won't be an option.
May 29 10:15:54 <sebastiandeutsch> I have a LinearLayout (vertical, FILL_PARENT, WRAP_CONTENT) and inside I want to have several TableLayouts. I want each TableLayout to have a android:marginBottom. But somehow these margins are not working. Does anyone have an idea why?
May 29 10:19:52 <readme> because it's called layout_marginBottom
May 29 10:19:55 <readme> not marginBottom
May 29 10:19:58 <readme> sebastiandeutsch:
May 29 10:20:50 <sebastiandeutsch> readme: Sorry typo here in the chat - I've actually used android:layout_marginBottom="10dip"
May 29 10:23:24 <sebastiandeutsch> Fun fact. I have a static layout where it works. In my non working code I've adding the views programatically by inflating the TableLayout from an xml.
May 29 10:23:53 <saintrafter> Anyone know how to live stream from android camera to another android phone?
May 29 10:24:04 <mms_> I assume in emulator I will not get location updates ?
May 29 10:24:22 <readme> sebastiandeutsch: fun fact.. more like information that was vitally needed to answer your question
May 29 10:24:37 <readme> show me the inflated layout xml?
May 29 10:24:46 <readme> you'll probably need to supply LayoutParams programmatically for your margin
May 29 10:25:29 <readme> or, if you nest the TableLayout in the XML inside a FrameLayout, you could specify margin relative to that
May 29 10:25:30 <mms_> getLastKnownLocation will return null I guess in emulator
May 29 10:29:25 <readme> mms_: open the emulator control tab in eclipse
May 29 10:29:29 <readme> inject a location
May 29 10:32:07 <mms_> readme: hi I see contral tab it shows longitude and latitude....I guess I need to figure out my location details for it ?
May 29 10:32:33 <mms_> or shall I just use 20, 20 and then 30, 30 for testing ?
May 29 10:33:10 <sebastiandeutsch> readme: Here is the inflated layout xml: http://pastie.org/3987960
May 29 10:33:37 <mms_> ok I am able to send the location but then geocoder fails
May 29 10:33:52 <mms_> so atleast I am able to test so far
May 29 10:34:29 <readme> mms_: yes
May 29 10:34:32 <readme> just pick a better loca
May 29 10:34:37 <DopeShope> is it possible to establish communication using adk .. where HOST will be PERSONAL COMPUTER?
May 29 10:34:52 <readme> sebastiandeutsch: i think margin has to be relative to something, like an enclosing layout
May 29 10:35:07 <mms_> ok so now can I just export apk using eclipse and then copy to phone ?
May 29 10:35:12 <readme> sebastiandeutsch: and when you just inflate it, don't supply a parent, and jam it in, the margin is ineffective
May 29 10:35:22 <readme> so when you add it, you need to give it a set of LayoutParams
May 29 10:35:25 <readme> programatically
May 29 10:36:00 <DopeShope> i mean usb communication using adk
May 29 10:36:16 <DopeShope> is it possible?
May 29 10:36:25 <DopeShope> where HOST will be PERSONAL COMPUTER?
May 29 10:36:39 <sebastiandeutsch> readme: ok I'll try that
May 29 10:36:52 <readme> it will def work, I do it in one of my apps
May 29 10:37:09 <readme> except I  do it to position an item arbitrarily on the screen
May 29 10:37:13 <readme> not to space things out
May 29 10:37:29 <sebastiandeutsch> readme: Can I specify the root when inflating?
May 29 10:37:44 <drlaban> Hi all, I'm having a custom CursorAdapter and CursorLoader-problem on SO that I'd really appreciate if anyone in here could take a swing at: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10785862
May 29 10:38:15 <mms_> any body has fix to make win 7 recognize android htc g1 ?
May 29 10:38:33 <mms_> I have already installed google usb
May 29 10:46:51 <xroberx> does anyone know how come Google's Play ranking has not been changed in 4-5 days ? it used to changed every day for months, is there already a bug reported ?
May 29 10:50:05 <anddam> btw about my own question layout_gravity was the answer
May 29 10:52:57 <readme> sebastiandeutsch: maybe, i've tried it and failed
May 29 10:53:17 <readme> i dont completely understand what that root param is for and usually just pass null
May 29 10:53:31 <readme> I've tried to use it and my code crashed, every time
May 29 10:54:08 <tapas> hi. i call setInputType(InputType.TYPE_CLASS_NUMBER | InputType.TYPE_NUMBER_FLAG_DECIMAL); on an EditText
May 29 10:54:18 <tapas> i still can't enter a decimal point (nor comma)
May 29 10:54:28 <readme> you can probably use a decimal?
May 29 10:54:33 <readme> my problem was with just comma
May 29 10:54:43 <readme> use android:digits="0123456789,."
May 29 10:54:51 <readme> maybe there is a way to do that in code, lets see
May 29 10:55:17 <tapas> i tried both points and commas..
May 29 10:55:46 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#setKeyListener(android.text.method.KeyListener)
May 29 10:55:53 <readme> the way I fix it is in xml with android:digits
May 29 10:55:59 <readme> but programatically you can use that
May 29 10:56:03 <tapas> ok
May 29 10:57:06 <readme> in XML, when I use inputType="numberDecimal" I can use decimal points, but no comma
May 29 10:58:55 <Ge0rG> readme: do you need the comma for some special purpose or is it just to support locales where a decimal comma is used?
May 29 10:59:39 <readme> because people see the comma on the IME keyboard
May 29 10:59:46 <readme> and since in the US we use it for numbers
May 29 10:59:49 <readme> they expect it to work
May 29 10:59:53 <readme> so yeah, locale partially
May 29 11:00:52 <mms_> to enable location on phone I need to go to Location and Security and enable Use GPS Satellite ?
May 29 11:01:46 <mms_> I am getting onProviderDisabled currently
May 29 11:02:12 <vavirta> mms_: yes
May 29 11:02:24 <vavirta> umm no
May 29 11:02:26 <mms_> vavirta: I did that on my htc g1 but it did nothing
May 29 11:02:35 <vavirta> You can use gps or network based location
May 29 11:03:07 <mms_> vavirta: how to enabled location without having data service from carrier ?
May 29 11:03:20 <vavirta> at least on htc desire there is Settings -> Location
May 29 11:03:28 <drlaban> mms_: On the GN I go to Home -> Appdrawer -> Settings -> Location services and there get three options: Google's location service, GPS satellites and Location & Google search
May 29 11:03:32 <vavirta> and two options, use wireless networks and use gps satellites
May 29 11:04:11 <mms_> drlaban: I have wireless and gps only
May 29 11:04:43 <vavirta> mms_: have you enabled them?
May 29 11:04:49 <vavirta> or atleast one of them
May 29 11:05:27 <mms_> vavirta: I have enabled GPS but it did not trigger provider enabled but on locking, unlocking I see its doing some thing
May 29 11:05:59 <mms_> but probably did not get updates
May 29 11:06:31 <vavirta> I believe you are familiar with this tutorial? http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/obtaining-user-location.html
May 29 11:06:34 <mms_> it seems it not able to fetch location updates
May 29 11:06:49 <vavirta> Make sure that you have request necessary permissions on your android manifest
May 29 11:07:31 <vavirta> And that you are using correct location provider (if you have gps enabled, then LocationManager.GPS_PROVIDER)
May 29 11:07:55 <mms_> its shows a blinking sun in status bar when I unlock screen
May 29 11:08:26 <mms_> but then seems the locationChanged callback never occurs
May 29 11:08:40 <mms_> it tries for some time and then that blinking is gone
May 29 11:08:41 <vavirta> have you registered it correctly?
May 29 11:08:56 <mms_> vavirta: register yes
May 29 11:09:09 <vavirta> could you paste your class to pastebin?
May 29 11:09:46 <mms_> I get the user present notification
May 29 11:09:51 <mms_> yes sure
May 29 11:10:31 <mms_> http://dpaste.com/752978/
May 29 11:11:11 <mms_> onLocationChanged is not getting fired
May 29 11:15:02 <vavirta> and you are getting lastKnownLocation?
May 29 11:15:24 <mms_> vavirta: I do not know...I have not put logging statement for it...I guess not...
May 29 11:15:27 <pihhan> have you tried GPS Status or other application, that is will get location?
May 29 11:15:44 <vavirta> when registering your listener, try to set both numbers to 0
May 29 11:15:56 <vavirta> so you are requesting location when ever it is possible (read always)
May 29 11:17:10 <mms_> ok let me try
May 29 11:20:59 <vavirta> because now it says that "obtain new location every 2 minutes or 5 meters"
May 29 11:21:16 <andreluiz> how can I use a contact uri (from pick intent) to fill an address of a sms?
May 29 11:21:16 <andreluiz> Name <number>
May 29 11:23:52 <mms_> vavirta: lastknown location is null ...I added debug log
May 29 11:24:45 <mms_> I have changed time and dist to 0,0 ...lets see if any thing changes
May 29 11:25:45 <vavirta> hmm, if lastknown location is null, I believe that you aren't requesting location provider correctly
May 29 11:26:02 <vavirta> or atleast lastknown location will be null if provider is disabled
May 29 11:27:00 <vavirta> so uhm, have you added correct permissions to your manifest file?
May 29 11:27:48 <vavirta>  <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION" />
May 29 11:27:50 <vavirta> you should have this line in your manifest file
May 29 11:27:50 <mms_> vavirta: I have
May 29 11:27:50 <mms_> fine and coarse both
May 29 11:27:53 <vavirta> ok, you need only fine, because:
May 29 11:27:53 <mms_> that sun in status is blinking this time
May 29 11:27:53 <vavirta> Note: If you are using both NETWORK_PROVIDER and GPS_PROVIDER, then you need to request only the ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION permission, because it includes permission for both providers. (Permission for ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION includes permission only for NETWORK_PROVIDER.)
May 29 11:27:53 <mms_> keeps blinking
May 29 11:32:57 <mms_> I adjusted by display screen timeout to 30min so I now can rest easy
May 29 11:33:04 <mms_> while I do testing
May 29 11:38:49 <mms_> the signal strength is full but still why cannot it get location ?
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> hmm, you are indoors right?
May 29 11:38:54 <mms_> vavirta: yes
May 29 11:38:54 <mms_> but signal strenght is strong
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> Try to change provider to network
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> gps signal or network signal?
May 29 11:38:54 <mms_> you mean in code ?
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> yeah
May 29 11:38:54 <mms_> and without data enabled it will work ?
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> and actiavte it from settings
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> yeah
May 29 11:38:54 <mms_> activate what ?
May 29 11:38:54 <vavirta> enable the network location
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> I do not have that kind of setting
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> settings -> location -> use wireless networks
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> I have only two , wifi and gps
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> the place where you did find two options, gps and the other
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> yeah
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> ok use wifi ?
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> activate the wifi
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> ok let me try
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> it is the "network base location"
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> no its in location and securit
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> what is network base location ?
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> I do not see such setting
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> Use wireless networks?
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> then atleast on my htc desire below "Use wireless networks" reads "Location determined by wi-fi and/or mobile networks"
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> and by mobile networks I belive it means gsm-accesspoints etc
May 29 11:38:55 <kazoooka> What could be the cause when an AsyncTask is canceled that the onCancelled method from this Task is not executed?
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> then you should able to use "requestLocationUpdates(LocationManager.NETWORK_PROVIDER, 0, 0, locationListener);"
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> bascially do I need to go into wireless network ?
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> umm no
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> ok
May 29 11:38:55 <mms_> wait let me do things
May 29 11:38:55 <vavirta> just enable "use wireless networks"
May 29 11:38:56 <Kannibal> Hello, have anyone got libspotify v12 work in an android app?
May 29 11:39:35 <mms_> vavirta: should I then disable gps ?
May 29 11:39:50 <vavirta> you don't need to
May 29 11:39:56 <mms_> ok I keep both on
May 29 11:40:10 <vavirta> gps is just more accurate than network based location
May 29 11:40:28 <XeruX> WHY am I getting NoClassDefFound: org.apache.commons.io.IOUtils when I clearly have hadded commons.io-jar as library in the build-path ?
May 29 11:41:06 <alankila> XeruX: put it in libs folder, maybe it makes it into the final apk too
May 29 11:42:43 <mms_> vavirta: that blinking sun in not coming up at all now
May 29 11:43:03 <mms_> looks like its not getting update from network provider ?
May 29 11:44:17 <vavirta> blinking sun means gps, so it shouldn't be coming up at all now
May 29 11:45:58 <vavirta> hmm, it seems correct to me..
May 29 11:46:16 <vavirta> do you have any errors or something in logcat?
May 29 11:47:05 <mms_> no errors
May 29 11:47:14 <mms_> lastknownlocation is still null
May 29 11:47:23 <mikedg> apprently I was stashing shit instead of committing to another branch
May 29 11:47:26 <mikedg> wtf is wrong with me
May 29 11:48:18 <kazoooka> What could be the cause when an AsyncTask is canceled that the onCancelled method from this Task is not executed?
May 29 11:50:02 <appel1> kazoooka: canceled too late?
May 29 11:51:54 <vavirta> mms_: then I can't help... could it be that you are working with services?
May 29 11:52:19 <vavirta> because I haven't ever use location obtaining from service, but I can't see why it shouldn't be possible
May 29 11:52:36 <mms_> vavirta: ok thanks ....I have one service and one receiver thats it in my code
May 29 11:52:57 <mms_> ok you mean carrier service ...
May 29 11:53:00 <kazoooka> hmmh, i dont know, could it be because of an interrupt exception? i heard it can only be canceled when you let it sleep for 1ms with Thread.Sleep(1);  -
May 29 11:53:28 <kazoooka> but when i cancel the task i only get the exception, and onCancelled never gets called
May 29 11:54:13 <mms_> hey I see one exception in log
May 29 11:54:49 <mms_> its about D/SntpClient: request time failed: java.net.UnknownHostException: north-america.pool.ntp.org
May 29 11:55:09 <mms_> I hope its nothing to do with location service ?
May 29 11:56:47 <vavirta> nope :/
May 29 11:57:22 <mms_> ok
May 29 11:57:47 <mms_> seems the phone is unable to get location by gps and network both
May 29 11:59:14 <mms_> what can I do about this sntp error ?
May 29 11:59:45 <mms_> I think I do not have internet so I should disable it ?
May 29 12:00:07 <andreluiz> could anyone give me a hint why a query to phone numbers is always crashing?
May 29 12:00:57 <readme> you could start by telling us what a "query to phone numbers" is
May 29 12:01:36 <Snuffel> select phonenumber from people
May 29 12:01:46 <Snuffel> where name like 'mom'
May 29 12:01:51 <Snuffel> oh
May 29 12:01:54 * readme throws MomNotFoundException
May 29 12:01:54 <Snuffel> '%mom%'
May 29 12:01:56 <Snuffel> my bad
May 29 12:02:10 <Snuffel> i'll be your mommy readme
May 29 12:02:14 <readme> :)
May 29 12:03:21 <andreluiz> heheh, i've made the user pick a contact with an intent and on the onResultActivity i'm trying to retrieve the picked contact's number.. I'm able to get the name, but the phone number query always crashes
May 29 12:03:38 <readme> show code and stacktrace
May 29 12:03:57 <andreluiz> ok, the code is very poor but i will paste
May 29 12:04:00 <andreluiz> hang on a second
May 29 12:04:45 <andreluiz> https://gist.github.com/2828071 code
May 29 12:05:10 <andreluiz> https://gist.github.com/2828073 the error
May 29 12:05:21 <pirosb3> hi all, I am using a GridView to display some imageviews, unfortuanetly I cannot get the layout to correctly populate the entire area of the grid item :( If I click on a grid element, the selector show the exact area dimension I want. How can I make my imageview be as big as the selection area that encloses it? Thankx!
May 29 12:05:54 <readme> requires android.permission.READ_CONTACTS
May 29 12:05:57 <readme> andreluiz: ^
May 29 12:06:05 <andreluiz> i've done that already
May 29 12:06:11 <readme> show the manifest
May 29 12:06:38 <andreluiz> all of it or just the permission?
May 29 12:06:44 <readme> just paste the whole thing
May 29 12:06:47 <andreluiz> ok
May 29 12:07:03 <vavirta> "show me your code, stacktrace, manifest, the whole thing"
May 29 12:07:04 <vavirta> :D
May 29 12:07:09 <andreluiz> https://gist.github.com/2828082
May 29 12:07:19 <andreluiz> heheh :D
May 29 12:07:36 <readme> andreluiz: not sure what that <permission> stanza is
May 29 12:07:47 <readme> just take uses-permission and move it into the <manifest> stanza
May 29 12:07:53 <andreluiz> i guess that since i'm making the user pick a contact, if the permission wasn't there i could not make that
May 29 12:07:54 <readme> and delete your <permission> tag
May 29 12:07:57 <andreluiz> ahm
May 29 12:09:13 <andreluiz> you mean put uses-permission inside <manifest ....>?
May 29 12:10:29 <mms_> any one has got locationlistener to work ?
May 29 12:10:40 <mms_> I am not getting onLocationChanged to fire
May 29 12:11:15 <andreluiz> readme i just love you :D it worked
May 29 12:11:16 <andreluiz> thanks
May 29 12:11:16 <andreluiz> hehe
May 29 12:11:44 <rciovati> hi guys, i'm making my first maven hello world with Android. i've created a intellij project with inside the app project and the integration tests app. i would like to use actionbar sherlock but in which pom is supposed to be the <dependency> declaration? everywhere i put it i get  java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: already added: Lcom/actionbarsherlock/ActionBarSherlock*
May 29 12:13:46 <readme> :D
May 29 12:14:04 <woozly> which max signal strengths of PhoneStateListener.LISTEN_SIGNAL_STRENGTHS&
May 29 12:14:11 <woozly> in percent or what?
May 29 12:14:31 <alankila> woozly: it's probably documented by the javadoc of that key or phonestatelistener itself
May 29 12:14:56 <alankila> or in the worst case it's meaningless value. :-/
May 29 12:15:13 <Myr> More a eclipse question then an android question: Is there a way to disable a package in a project in Eclipse?
May 29 12:16:22 <readme> Myr: right click the package and exclude it from the build path
May 29 12:16:23 <alankila> the phrase 'disable a package' probably doesn't mean a whole lot to any one of us
May 29 12:17:41 <Myr> Thanks readme, that worked :D
May 29 12:26:31 <UnbertKant> Hey people!
May 29 12:27:44 <UnbertKant> I have a preferenceactivity and I'm trying to launch another preferenceactivity from it. The elegant way would be to have that in the XML, but it doesn't work. The error I get is that the second activity could not be found.
May 29 12:27:48 <UnbertKant> Why could that be?
May 29 12:28:07 <UnbertKant> The second activity is defined in the manifest...
May 29 12:28:39 <mdim> what's android.jar file that's in android-sdk-<machine-platform>/platforms/ directory?
May 29 12:29:15 <napster> I show a dialog from my activity. When I change the orientation of the device while the dialog is in the FG, I get a window leak exception, the dialog is automatically dismissed. How can I prevent this from happening?
May 29 12:29:23 <UnbertKant> This is what I have in the preference XML:
May 29 12:29:24 <UnbertKant> <intent android:action="android.intent.action.VIEW"
May 29 12:29:24 <UnbertKant> 	        android:targetPackage="my.package"
May 29 12:29:24 <UnbertKant> 	        android:targetClass="my.package.otheractivity" />
May 29 12:29:44 <UnbertKant> What could be the reason it doesn't find otheractivity?
May 29 12:36:39 <appel1> UnbertKant: what are you trying to do?
May 29 12:36:44 <woozly> int st = 28; float z = st / 31; System.out.println(z); // why z = 0.0 ???
May 29 12:36:55 <woozly> what I do wrong?
May 29 12:37:15 <appel1> UnbertKant: have you read http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/activities.html ?
May 29 12:37:21 <napster> woozly: You are assigning an integer operation to a float variable :)
May 29 12:37:28 <wongk> it's not typecasted to a float until it does the assignment
May 29 12:37:40 <woozly> but how to do math operation?
May 29 12:37:53 <woozly> 28 / 31 = 0.9 ..
May 29 12:37:54 <napster> woozly: Coerce it
May 29 12:37:57 <appel1> woozly: float z = st / 31.0;
May 29 12:38:18 <appel1> woozly: you're doing integer math so 28/31 = 0
May 29 12:38:18 <woozly> appel1: oh.. thanks!
May 29 12:38:29 <woozly> oh.. ive got it.. yeah..
May 29 12:39:20 <appel1> hmm, or perhaps 31.0 would be interpreted as a double..
May 29 12:39:46 <wongk> would that be bad?
May 29 12:40:27 <UnbertKant> Well, I have these settings, defined in a XML
May 29 12:40:41 <UnbertKant> When you click one one of them, it is supposed to open another settings screen.
May 29 12:40:57 <UnbertKant> This is the first time I use these PreferenceActivities, so I'm not sure I'm doing it right.
May 29 12:41:06 <napster> appel1: Well I would say float z = (float) st / 31; :)
May 29 12:41:28 <appel1> or just float z = st / 31f;
May 29 12:41:49 <napster> yup, thats the best hack :)
May 29 12:41:57 <UnbertKant> What's the best way to have a Settings screen where you can click one one entry and it opens another settings screen?
May 29 12:46:00 <alankila> java allows 1f but I recommend 1.0f if there is any chance you write C also... spares from code copypaste problems between languages
May 29 12:46:53 <XeruX> Anyone got any experience with TouchDB-Android ? Trying to keep application synced with CouchDB-server, not sure how to procede.. Couldn't find any decent examples on teh net
May 29 12:48:54 <ech0s7> how much dpi has this tab  http://www.samsung.com/it/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7500UWDITV ?
May 29 12:48:58 <ech0s7> 320 ?
May 29 12:51:39 <xorgate> question about play console, i have my own accuont, and someone wants to add me as dev to their account. will their apps just show up besides mine or how is this done?
May 29 12:53:47 <kakazza> Is anyone here using EGit?
May 29 12:53:56 <readme> I have used it in the past
May 29 12:54:01 <readme> I prefer to just use git on the command line though.
May 29 12:54:07 <readme> Since it's more obvious what is actually happening htat way
May 29 12:54:22 <vavirta> I agree
May 29 12:54:58 <vavirta> git gui is also pretty handy when you need to look at your branch history
May 29 12:54:59 <kakazza> I use git from the CLI too. But I have a few project members (on Windows mainly) who just _want_ a UI.
May 29 12:55:16 <readme> they should try tortiosegit
May 29 12:55:21 <kakazza> And I must say, switching branches from within Eclipse is pretty nice.
May 29 12:55:27 <mikedg> git gui
May 29 12:55:29 <mikedg> call them noobs
May 29 12:55:38 <readme> tortoise*
May 29 12:55:56 <readme> I used to use tortoisesvn and it was awesome. I tried tortoisegit a few times and it's similar.
May 29 12:56:07 <readme> egit, I don't recommend.
May 29 12:56:13 <kakazza> TortoiseSVN is nice indeed. TortoiseGit, not sure.
May 29 12:56:27 <kakazza> Yeah, EGit seems far inferior to MercurialEclipse for example.
May 29 12:56:34 <mikedg> just use git gui
May 29 12:56:35 <kakazza> Maybe I'll give IDEA a try.
May 29 12:58:58 <readme> I don't understand some people. There are actually industry programmers that can't pick their own tools? They need you to go figure it out?
May 29 12:59:16 * readme hasn't worked for any bigcorps.
May 29 13:00:29 <kakazza> :D
May 29 13:00:30 <andreluiz> readme i prefer using it on command line as well.. for the time i was trying to use eGit i didnt know how to see diffs and if i start an android project or gwt i really dont know how to use egit to upload it to github.. so command line it is
May 29 13:00:53 <readme> yeah i found it confusing.
May 29 13:01:03 <readme> tried to hide the git underneath
May 29 13:01:09 <kakazza> readme: I'd let them, if I wasn't afraid they'd mess up the repo. Guess I'll just see how things turn out.
May 29 13:01:18 <readme> ah
May 29 13:01:33 <readme> make sure they've got a good diff tool
May 29 13:01:50 <readme> like, git diff ;)
May 29 13:02:32 <readme> git gui that mikedg suggested looks fine
May 29 13:04:01 <kakazza> I haven't used 'git gui' before. How can I do the equialent of 'git checkout --track origin/dev' in the GUI?
May 29 13:04:32 <mikedg> no clue, i always use the command line
May 29 13:04:41 <mikedg> except for comments
May 29 13:04:44 <mikedg> and file picking
May 29 13:04:48 <mikedg> sorry
May 29 13:04:58 <mikedg> it could very well be missing huge features
May 29 13:05:28 <kakazza> I doubt you're missing features. The CLI always seemed more powerful than any git GUI I met.
May 29 13:05:53 <readme> http://git-cola.github.com/
May 29 13:05:57 <mikedg> i mean the gui could be missing otns of features
May 29 13:05:57 <readme> might want to try it
May 29 13:06:02 <mikedg> and i'd never realise
May 29 13:07:59 <mdim> is there a way to copy Android source code from google's servers, without repo? I need source code only, not all the change history
May 29 13:15:23 <Tsukaza> What does this mean?
May 29 13:15:23 <Tsukaza> android.database.CursorIndexOutOfBoundsException: Index -1 requested, with a size of 64
May 29 13:15:46 <Tsukaza> I am reading a String that is in my database, and I get it querying the DB with a cursor
May 29 13:15:52 <Tsukaza> but in one of the field I get that
May 29 13:15:54 <mikedg> did you use movetofirst
May 29 13:15:58 <mikedg> or movetonext on the cursor
May 29 13:16:06 <Tsukaza> I do
May 29 13:16:09 <Tsukaza> it is in this loop:
May 29 13:16:18 <Tsukaza> for(c.moveToFirst() ; !c.isAfterLast() ; c.moveToNext())
May 29 13:16:44 <mikedg> why not just while (c.movetonext)
May 29 13:16:53 <Tsukaza> lol
May 29 13:16:57 <Tsukaza> I like to write ^^
May 29 13:17:23 <wongk> verbosityplusplus
May 29 13:17:50 <CVirus> How can I know if I lost my GPS fix ?
May 29 13:20:37 <readme> have any of you guys thrown money at advertising for your apps, or reviews?
May 29 13:20:46 <readme> if so, where, and did it work?
May 29 13:21:16 <Myr> thrown money @ buying reviews?
May 29 13:21:23 <readme> Sure
May 29 13:21:38 <readme> I would pay for a review if I thought it would increase my sales
May 29 13:21:49 <readme> there are too many corrupt people in the world to play fair against them all.
May 29 13:21:51 <Myr> -_-
May 29 13:21:57 <wongk> i'll review your app =D
May 29 13:22:09 * Myr isn't really a fan of buying fake opinions
May 29 13:22:27 <readme> ok goody two shoes
May 29 13:22:35 <Myr> Then again... I'm not exactly a saint either :P
May 29 13:22:47 <readme> wongk: i would love that. should I PM you an apk?
May 29 13:23:13 <Tsukaza> When I uninstall an APP, my DB is deleted for that APP?
May 29 13:23:16 <Tsukaza> or it should be deleted?
May 29 13:23:24 <Myr> It should be deleted
May 29 13:23:26 <mikedg> Tsukaza: if you keep it in its local app storage
May 29 13:23:35 <Tsukaza> I just use the onCreate method
May 29 13:23:49 <Myr> readme: where do you have your app currently hosted?
May 29 13:23:52 <wongk> readme: i can't promise you anyone would read my review... does that matter? :P
May 29 13:23:53 <Tsukaza> and create it by: catabase.execSQL
May 29 13:23:55 <readme> market, myr
May 29 13:23:59 <Tsukaza> Well my app goes to Download Apps
May 29 13:24:00 <readme> wongk: that's fine
May 29 13:24:01 <Myr> name?
May 29 13:24:11 <Tsukaza> the default path
May 29 13:24:13 <Myr> Going to check it out then
May 29 13:24:22 <readme> not telling, you've shown me that you're bitter towards my opinion and I fear you'll leave a negative review to spite me.
May 29 13:24:26 <wongk> readme: awesome, that will be 1 million dollars
May 29 13:24:30 <Myr> :O
May 29 13:24:35 <readme> wongk: how about 5
May 29 13:24:40 <readme> 5 dollars that is
May 29 13:24:50 <wongk> 5 million dollars?!
May 29 13:25:19 <readme> Myr: sorry bro, risk management.
May 29 13:25:44 <Myr> "bitter towards my opinion" Alright :P
May 29 13:25:57 <readme> I get tons of funny emails from spammers that promise me several reviews and spamming services that I decline if it makes oyu feel better.
May 29 13:26:17 <readme> but I find it hard to believe if you could pay to get on tech crunch or something, and you had the money, that you wouldn't do it
May 29 13:27:04 <readme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
May 29 13:27:17 <kakazza> Ok, found a way to do that in EGit and git gui. Conclusion: I'll give a short presentation on why the CLI is so much easier to use :x
May 29 13:27:24 * readme knows the secrets of human behavior.
May 29 13:27:44 <Myr> Hmm
May 29 13:28:07 <readme> I read this article not long ago about a guy who worked in an office somewhere.
May 29 13:28:07 <Tsukaza> So, I have the default path for my APP, is it re-created when I uninstall and run it again tot he phone from IntelliJ? The database
May 29 13:28:24 <readme> He was so productive that he finished all his work before everyone else. He used the rest of the time to run a sideline business in the office.
May 29 13:28:28 <kakazza> I wonder how many people here use IntelliJ
May 29 13:28:35 <readme> His coworkers ratted him out, even though he was doing better than all of them.
May 29 13:28:38 <Tsukaza> Yeah... really... but I must use it...
May 29 13:28:53 <readme> Management told him he could continue to run the business, because he was the most productive worker :)
May 29 13:28:58 <kakazza> Tsukaza: This was a serious question. I see a _lot_ people in here using it.
May 29 13:29:18 <Tsukaza> I know mate, I dont like it but I must use it
May 29 13:29:30 <Tsukaza> But I need some help with my lil problem ^^
May 29 13:29:35 <readme> I have intellij installed
May 29 13:29:38 <readme> but I don't like it that much.
May 29 13:29:41 <Tsukaza> me 2
May 29 13:29:44 <readme> and it works like crap on my distro.
May 29 13:29:50 <Tsukaza> distro?
May 29 13:29:53 <readme> some libraries underneath must not be doing the right things.
May 29 13:29:55 <readme> linux mint.
May 29 13:30:02 <mikedg> everyone there should be fired
May 29 13:30:07 <mikedg> him for not working
May 29 13:30:14 <mikedg> the other people for doing their job poorly
May 29 13:30:24 <Myr> but still, paying people to do reviews is too risky for my opinion and pricy for my opinion
May 29 13:30:24 <readme> he was working though. he was completing all his work every day
May 29 13:30:30 <Tsukaza> shall I have a delete if exists sql statement in my onUpgrade?
May 29 13:30:51 <mikedg> and he should have helped everyone else
May 29 13:30:56 <readme> Myr: don't pay the full sum until you see a positive review
May 29 13:30:59 <readme> lots will do it for free, though.
May 29 13:31:05 <readme> if you send them nice emails
May 29 13:31:16 <readme> but the better ones mostly charge, I would bet
May 29 13:31:16 <CVirus> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10800145/how-can-i-know-if-i-lost-my-gps-fix
May 29 13:31:26 <Tsukaza> ...
May 29 13:31:38 <readme> delete if exists?
May 29 13:31:39 <readme> bad idea
May 29 13:31:46 <canadiancow|work> as opposed to what
May 29 13:31:47 <readme> i assume you mean drop
May 29 13:31:49 <canadiancow|work> delete if not exists?
May 29 13:32:01 <Myr> but what if one of them starts spreading the fact that you have been paying for reviews= doesn't seem that great for your rep if they can make it solid
May 29 13:32:18 <readme> I recently rewrote an app... the prior versionw as dropping all the databases every time it upgraded because the developer put DROP TABLE in the onUpgrade()
May 29 13:32:25 <canadiancow|work> CVirus: see my reply
May 29 13:32:26 <readme> and pushed it to the market that way.
May 29 13:32:44 <readme> dropping all the tables in the database*
May 29 13:32:56 <canadiancow|work> that can make sense for certain things
May 29 13:33:01 <wongk> why would you drop tables?
May 29 13:33:02 <mikedg> readme: theres some google example that used to do that
May 29 13:33:12 <mikedg> wongk: easier to upgrade
May 29 13:33:16 <readme> for development it makes sense to drop them all
May 29 13:33:19 <Myr> *cough* what is wrong with that?, how else could one switch to a new database model?
May 29 13:33:26 <readme> but for production and you want to not lose the user's data! it's not a good idea.
May 29 13:33:30 <wongk> mikedg: easier to drop all the user's data :P
May 29 13:33:32 <CVirus> canadiancow|work: replied back
May 29 13:34:07 <readme> wongk: heh, my client had one stars on his old app "lost all my conferences after the upgrade--uninstall"
May 29 13:34:40 <wongk> i can imagine
May 29 13:35:01 <canadiancow|work> CVirus, have you actually just tried this?
May 29 13:35:09 <canadiancow|work> rather than asking a question that you could answer yourself by just implementing it
May 29 13:35:16 <Tsukaza> readme: yeah, but I need to delete my database and run it again
May 29 13:35:22 <Tsukaza> I inserted new fields on my tables
May 29 13:35:33 <readme> Tsukaza: i didn't say it was always wrong
May 29 13:35:36 <CVirus> canadiancow|work: it doesn't make any sense man .. If I stop receiving location updates it means that I'm either standing still OR I lost GPS fix
May 29 13:35:43 <readme> but, be careful when you push to production..
May 29 13:35:52 <canadiancow|work> no
May 29 13:35:53 <canadiancow|work> fuck
May 29 13:35:54 <Tsukaza> Yeah im not saying, the onUpgrade will be called if we ++ theversion and I wont do it...
May 29 13:35:55 <canadiancow|work> just go try it
May 29 13:36:22 <canadiancow|work> a negligible change in air pressure (i.e. happens every second) will affect the path the gps signals travel
May 29 13:36:24 <Tsukaza> I cant delete my database and create a new one :/
May 29 13:36:25 <readme> CVirus: afaik, GPS updates aren't guaranteed
May 29 13:36:28 <canadiancow|work> and result in a "change"
May 29 13:37:19 <CVirus> canadiancow|work: so if I stop receiving location updates for like 3-5 seconds it means that I lost the fix ?
May 29 13:37:29 <canadiancow|work> i wouldnt set the limit that low
May 29 13:37:38 <canadiancow|work> but i stand by my original point
May 29 13:37:39 <canadiancow|work> JUST TRY IT
May 29 13:37:45 <readme> unless you want your phone to burn with heat
May 29 13:37:56 <canadiancow|work> you could have implemented and tested this in less time than it took for you to write your question
May 29 13:38:11 <boily> hi all!
May 29 13:38:39 <CVirus> canadiancow|work: I know that it would work but it is not the right way to do it .. I'm just abusing the onLocationChanged() method this way
May 29 13:38:44 <boily> I can filter intents through actions, categories and data. Is there a way to filter them with extras?
May 29 13:39:04 <mikedg> no
May 29 13:39:15 <mikedg> why do you want to do that
May 29 13:40:50 <boily> because I have a central broadcast receiver that needs to receive correctly formed data from peripheric activities.
May 29 13:41:18 <boily> I know that because I'm developing every part of the project right now, it isn't a problem.
May 29 13:41:49 <canadiancow|work> so have it throw an exception when it gets bad data
May 29 13:42:18 <boily> ah? will the exception get forwarded to the intent sender?
May 29 13:42:25 <canadiancow|work> thats like saying google's servers shouldnt respond when i go to http://google.com?cow=awesome because cow isnt a valid parameter
May 29 13:42:48 <boily> you have a point there.
May 29 13:43:56 <boily> so, the correct way of doing this would be to silently return in onReceive(), document everything and expect future developers to read the documentation?
May 29 13:49:19 <canadiancow|work> i wouldnt silently return
May 29 13:49:22 <canadiancow|work> thats the worst coding practice ever
May 29 13:49:29 <canadiancow|work> throw a big nasty exception so they know right away whats wrong
May 29 13:50:13 <Jug6ernaut> big nasty exception
May 29 13:50:16 <readme> every time you roll over an exception, a kitten dies. if you roll over an exception and then return a boolean, two kittens die.
May 29 13:50:33 <Jug6ernaut> :(
May 29 13:50:36 <Myr> :P
May 29 13:51:20 * readme was told to do the latter by project lead before. painful memories of that code.
May 29 13:51:42 <mikedg> i just catch the exception, then do System.exit
May 29 13:52:07 <Myr> "Something went wrong: False"
May 29 13:52:13 <readme> that only kills 1.5 kittens
May 29 13:52:14 <alankila> mikedg: you have been well seeped in C tradition
May 29 13:52:25 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 29 13:52:45 <kakazza> Well, _is_ there a good reference on what to do with Exceptions?
May 29 13:52:52 <readme> C was my first language. Doesn't mean I can't move on to new concepts.
May 29 13:52:53 * Jug6ernaut just doesnt catch the exception ands liek fuck itttt
May 29 13:52:54 <kakazza> I mean, of course not just e.printStackTrace();
May 29 13:53:03 <alankila> kakazza: you throw them or you catch them. Do not try to insert them rectally.
May 29 13:53:06 <readme> kakazza: yes, the first chapter or so of bjarne stroustrup's book explains the point of an exception.
May 29 13:53:11 <mikedg> i email all exceptions to my lawyer
May 29 13:53:18 <mikedg> he responds back with a cease and desist
May 29 13:53:19 <mikedg> and all is well
May 29 13:53:22 <kakazza> Jug6ernaut: throws Exception // not a single fuck was given
May 29 13:53:39 <readme> throws Exception is good.
May 29 13:53:48 <readme> that way you can generically throw all the exceptions up
May 29 13:53:54 <mikedg> catch (Exception)
May 29 13:53:54 <boily> canadiancow|work: let's throw exceptions, then!
May 29 13:53:55 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 29 13:53:56 <mikedg> is safest
May 29 13:53:56 <kakazza> readme: Is the concept of a C++ exception 1:1 the same in Jva?
May 29 13:53:59 <mikedg> you will not miss any
May 29 13:54:04 * Myr would look that first chapter up, but gave that book away as a birthday present
May 29 13:54:05 <readme> kakazza: conceptually, it's the same
May 29 13:54:07 <mikedg> catch (Throwable) even better
May 29 13:54:15 <readme> at least, the POINT of an exception is conceptually the same
May 29 13:54:21 <readme> implementation is of course different.
May 29 13:54:44 <readme> decouple error handling from the structure of the code. that is the point.
May 29 13:55:23 <kakazza> Yeah, "Something went really wrong". But I sometimes find it hard to decide what to do. From some I can recover into a usable state, some now.
May 29 13:55:31 <readme> the advantage of an exception is that you can handle errors at a higher level of abstraction. in a language without them, you must handle them on the spot, or build your own mechanism to bubble them upwards
May 29 13:55:44 <alankila> and in java, thanks to GC, you can often get away with not closing things like filehandles properly too. They will get closed soon enough, so the code doesn't have to turn into a try { ... } finally { try { ... } catch (Exception e) { ... } } shit
May 29 13:55:57 <alankila> the new Disposable makes things even better too
May 29 13:56:45 <kakazza> I keep seeing those try {} finally { try {} catch () {} } constructs, though.
May 29 13:56:51 <readme> yeah I have code like that with the finally { try {} } :(
May 29 13:56:59 <alankila> they'll be gone with jdk7
May 29 13:57:00 <kakazza> I think Eclipse doesn't let you get away without it.
May 29 13:57:06 <alankila> try (foo) { ... }
May 29 13:57:07 <readme> its hava 6 kakazza
May 29 13:57:09 <readme> java*
May 29 13:57:23 <kakazza> I know. But until 7 is widely used...
May 29 13:57:27 <readme> iirc java 7 closes stuff for you, right
May 29 13:57:31 <kakazza> Yep
May 29 13:57:38 <DashCC> always good style to close what you have opened
May 29 13:58:11 <kakazza> DashCC: But sometimes all you do is within 2-3 lines, but you end up with 10-15 because of try/catch/finally
May 29 13:58:14 <alankila> I had to write some of that try-finally-try-catch shit for one customer though which insisted that you must not leak objects under exceptional conditions. At least java version of "memory leak" is not real memory leak, just a temporary resource sub-utilization
May 29 13:59:58 <alankila> just comparing here to C++, anyway, where you actually could get memory leaks unless you are careful about exceptions
May 29 14:00:30 <alankila> GC marries very nicely with exceptions, and the one relative downside with lack of Disposable is going away
May 29 14:02:27 <Tjololo12> I wanted to fiddle with an app idea I had, what language(s) does android support for apps? Is that on the link in /topic?
May 29 14:03:00 <readme> supports rtfmlang
May 29 14:03:30 <Tjololo12> ty for your professionalism :) Reading the devel link now, figured I'd ask since I was here.
May 29 14:05:27 <xorgate> just java and if you want to get busy c++
May 29 14:06:10 <Tjololo12> Cool thanks xorgate; I figured java, but I wasn't sure.
May 29 14:07:44 <CVirus> Why can't Eclipse see "GpsStatus.Listener" ?
May 29 14:09:43 <GeeksOnHugs> what's your first go-to format for saving local data and why?  (XML, flat file, sqllite?)
May 29 14:10:02 <wongk> bad question
May 29 14:10:14 <wongk> the one that suites my use case
May 29 14:10:22 <evancharlton> ==wongk
May 29 14:10:28 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, discuss please :P
May 29 14:10:35 <wongk> heh
May 29 14:10:49 <GeeksOnHugs> my app will store a list of  locations and things to do at those locations
May 29 14:11:21 <GeeksOnHugs> I am extremely skilled with SQL...I want to make it  work on the cloud eventually...
May 29 14:11:27 <readme> Tjololo12: np :)
May 29 14:11:47 <GeeksOnHugs> so that's my parameters I guess...
May 29 14:12:33 <GeeksOnHugs> so I was just going to do SQLLite, but when I researched it  I came  across this "NoSQL" movement and that had me thinking about it...I've allways gone to RDBMS without thinking about it
May 29 14:12:49 <wongk> well sql would be good for local storage, but JSON and XML are good for interacting with a REST service
May 29 14:13:04 <readme> GeeksOnHugs: SQLite fo sho'
May 29 14:13:12 <readme> every time you use a flat file, a  kittle dies
May 29 14:13:16 <readme> kitten*
May 29 14:13:56 <anddam> this example http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/timed-ui-updates.html is using OnClickListener rather than View.OnClickListener or DialogInterface.OnClickListener, is that just a typo or a non-tested example?
May 29 14:13:59 <readme> SQLite and NO content provider, please :)
May 29 14:14:01 <GeeksOnHugs> OK heh...let me ask this...the REST service...typically how does it store the data in the "cloud"?
May 29 14:14:10 <readme> with SQL, usually
May 29 14:14:16 <readme> sometimes with hipster nosql
May 29 14:14:37 <wongk> nosql is big in the "big data" arena
May 29 14:14:37 <anddam> I see both interfaces are from API level 1 so it cannot be due to a change in API
May 29 14:14:38 <GeeksOnHugs> it seems  like since the transport of data is XML and JSON, why not store it nativevly in those formats, so  no code to parse the XML/JSON or build them?
May 29 14:15:02 <wongk> overhead
May 29 14:15:15 <readme> XML and JSON aren't relational
May 29 14:15:20 <GeeksOnHugs> I know
May 29 14:15:34 <readme> relational database is a huge advantage when you want to combine some data and crunch some numbers
May 29 14:15:45 <GeeksOnHugs> yep true
May 29 14:15:52 <hyotam> use sql..............
May 29 14:16:41 <GeeksOnHugs> I've been writing EMR for a while andd I realize the data is really semi-structured, and multi-media...I think NoSQL database might  have solved some of the issues we had with it, but yah, other info like money stuff...we need to query it in a complex way
May 29 14:16:57 <GeeksOnHugs> kk, I'll use SQLLite
May 29 14:16:57 <readme> if I was going to store a document, I believe XML would be suitable. If I was going to serialize an object in human readable form, JSON would be suitable. If I was going to need to store relational data, then well..
May 29 14:18:04 <tapas> if i want to generalize ViewFlipper to be able to flip through N views
May 29 14:18:05 <GeeksOnHugs> I'm going to eventually set this  app (and  all my apps that it makes sense  for) to keep data in the cloud (like  with google app engine  maybe), I guess I''ll cross that  bridge when i get to it
May 29 14:18:18 <tapas> what's the easiest route.. subclassing ViewFlipper or ViewGroup
May 29 14:18:27 <m1hael> tapas: ViewPager?
May 29 14:18:39 <readme> GeeksOnHugs: my new take is store local first, cloud second
May 29 14:18:46 <ClockworkAnt> Is a contentprovider required for using the CursorLoader?
May 29 14:18:52 <readme> lots of apps I worked on we just said, lets use rest!
May 29 14:18:53 <GeeksOnHugs> readme, what do you mean
May 29 14:18:58 <readme> and stored the data remotely
May 29 14:19:03 <readme> but then, your app doesn't work offline -- boo
May 29 14:19:08 <GeeksOnHugs> true dat
May 29 14:19:20 <readme> and so we had to implement sqlite and rework all the rest stuff to sync the sqlite
May 29 14:19:24 <wongk> should have used got as the backend ;)
May 29 14:19:29 <wongk> git
May 29 14:19:31 <GeeksOnHugs> maybe local data with a cloud "synch"
May 29 14:19:32 <readme> now I do sqlite first, rest second
May 29 14:19:47 <tapas> m1hael: oh cool :D
May 29 14:20:16 <m1hael> tapas: np
May 29 14:20:23 <tapas> m1hael: ah it's in the support package.. that's  why i didn't fint it at first :D
May 29 14:21:10 <GeeksOnHugs> this is the  article that got me thinking about it: http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/02/nosql-non-relational-database.html
May 29 14:21:49 <readme> I'm interested but haven't put the time in to learn yet
May 29 14:22:26 <readme> I'm reading a very thick and detailed book on sql right now
May 29 14:22:52 <GeeksOnHugs> what book?
May 29 14:23:05 <readme> http://tinyurl.com/bwasxqb
May 29 14:23:16 <GeeksOnHugs> SQL is one of my few strong suites, lemme know i canhelp with anything
May 29 14:23:22 <readme> sure
May 29 14:23:29 <ClockworkAnt> on the docs site it says you should think about weather you need a contentprovider http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/content-provider-creating.html but on stackoverflow I read if you want to use the CursorLoader/Loader frameowkr with a database you MUST use a content provider.
May 29 14:23:38 <readme> i'm working on mastering
May 29 14:23:45 <GeeksOnHugs> nice...well sounds like you are with it too :)
May 29 14:24:06 <GeeksOnHugs> and an amazing attention span...advanced sql hehe
May 29 14:25:03 <drindt> why i can't use pixel perfect on real hardware? i always got with my nexus: Unable to get view server version from device 01498F8E0F00B005 developer mode is enabled... i don't understand it.
May 29 14:25:14 <GeeksOnHugs> this is  the coolest geek product in a long time: http://commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
May 29 14:26:00 <GeeksOnHugs> a commodore 64 replica case with modern PC guts: http://commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
May 29 14:26:06 <readme> GeeksOnHugs: I'm going slow
May 29 14:26:10 <readme> keeping notes and going slow
May 29 14:26:15 <readme> attention is hard
May 29 14:26:32 <readme> if I lose it, I just bookmark the page, commit my notes to git, and do something else.
May 29 14:26:43 <GeeksOnHugs> yah, I got  ADD,  but I'm reading now  online with nook and I find it better somehwo
May 29 14:26:59 <readme> keep notes so you remember where you are, if not for any other reason
May 29 14:27:01 <GeeksOnHugs> I can hilight and put notes electronically
May 29 14:27:06 <readme> oh, nice.
May 29 14:27:11 <readme> safari doesn't have a highlight i don't think
May 29 14:27:43 <The_Coolest> GeeksOnHugs>> lol.
May 29 14:27:53 <The_Coolest> coupled with the graphics power of an nVidia GeForce GT 520 graphics chipset for improved 3D gaming ability.
May 29 14:28:36 <readme> you will probably also like this http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57440374-1/commodore-64-bass-guitar-revenge-of-the-keytar/
May 29 14:28:50 <GeeksOnHugs> The_Coolest well it's fun retro
May 29 14:28:53 <GeeksOnHugs> I'm reading...
May 29 14:29:00 <The_Coolest> yeah
May 29 14:29:54 <readme> wtf, looks like someone made android's intent system for javascript
May 29 14:30:00 <readme> http://webintents.org/
May 29 14:30:55 <GeeksOnHugs> readme rofl, yah I've seen that before :)  <3 geek chicks hehe
May 29 14:31:20 <GeeksOnHugs> I'm' reading Anndroid Reciepes: a problem solution approach http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/android-recipes-dave-smith/1100096103?ean=9781430234142
May 29 14:31:26 <drindt> why i can't use pixel perfect on real hardware? i always got with my nexus: Unable to get view server version from device 01498F8E0F00B005 developer mode is enabled... i don't understand it.
May 29 14:32:02 <GeeksOnHugs> and App Empire (non technical about running an app business) http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/app-empire-chad-mureta/1110834888?ean=9781118107874
May 29 14:33:34 <hrnt> drindt: i think you can if you have a developer version of Android
May 29 14:33:42 <mdim> is there a way to download zip archive of source for for particular Android platform version? For example, I'd like to download sources of the Android library 2.3.3
May 29 14:35:12 <GeeksOnHugs> I want to work in the new civilian space industry
May 29 14:35:23 <GeeksOnHugs> SpaceX or something like that...how cool?
May 29 14:36:15 <drindt> hrnt, guessed that also, but my hope that isn't won't die... :-(
May 29 14:38:54 <canadiancow|work> just read an article that says "While there aren’t too many merchants that accept NFC payments (that’s soon going to change) "
May 29 14:39:01 <canadiancow|work> who DOESNT accept NFC?
May 29 14:39:11 <hrnt> I don't
May 29 14:39:40 <readme> canadiancow|work: i know a good place that only takes cash
May 29 14:39:59 <canadiancow|work> ok i understand not everyone takes it
May 29 14:40:04 <canadiancow|work> but from my experience, its pretty common
May 29 14:40:09 <canadiancow|work> pretty much every fast food place
May 29 14:40:17 <canadiancow|work> well any store where transactions under $25 are common
May 29 14:40:19 <readme> I think mobile payments are nothing more than a nifty feature at the moment. Do you agree?
May 29 14:40:28 <canadiancow|work> who said "mobile payments" ?
May 29 14:40:30 <canadiancow|work> my visa has nfc
May 29 14:40:33 <readme> right
May 29 14:40:42 <readme> I like NFC credit cards better
May 29 14:40:46 <readme> because they don't run out of batteries
May 29 14:40:49 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 29 14:41:25 <gaz`> anyone know how to detect swipes left and right on a listview?
May 29 14:41:29 <readme> i was able to buy pizza at an independent shop with square a couple days ago
May 29 14:41:32 <gaz`> strugglign to find an example that works
May 29 14:41:41 <readme> gaz`: what are you gonna do with the swipe?
May 29 14:41:48 <gaz`> move to a new activity
May 29 14:41:52 <readme> use a ViewPager
May 29 14:41:55 <readme> and Fragments
May 29 14:42:02 <gaz`> i just went down the viewpager route its only views
May 29 14:42:06 <gaz`> not activities
May 29 14:42:08 <evancharlton> right
May 29 14:42:10 <evancharlton> use fragments
May 29 14:42:14 <gaz`> i sort of almost had it
May 29 14:42:17 <gaz`> ahh fragments
May 29 14:42:21 <gaz`> still not touched em
May 29 14:42:22 <gaz`> :-X
May 29 14:42:26 <Lachezar> Heya all. A bit general question: Can I send XMPP messages to GTalk users without a GTalk acocunt (jabber.org?)
May 29 14:42:29 <gaz`> next app i def will
May 29 14:42:34 <readme> Lachezar: yes
May 29 14:42:39 <readme> you can even send from your own xmpp server
May 29 14:42:47 <gaz`> but for now im on a deadline, was hoping i could mimmick it using a swipe then a transition to an activity
May 29 14:42:53 <Lachezar> readme: Wouldn't that be SPAM prone?
May 29 14:43:15 <Lachezar> readme: or does it require the appropriate DNS records for the XMPP service server?
May 29 14:43:27 <readme> Lachezar: all I know is that I've done it before
May 29 14:43:43 <evancharlton> gaz`: anything you do is going to have a shitty and laggy user experience :-/
May 29 14:43:49 <readme> I forget whether it worked with my own setup, on ejabberd
May 29 14:43:54 <readme> but the client's openfire definitely worked
May 29 14:44:02 <readme> I don't know if he had to configure it at all
May 29 14:44:22 <gaz`> evancharlton whys that?
May 29 14:44:30 <gaz`> because the activity transition would begin after the fling?
May 29 14:44:49 <readme> gaz`: its easier to use fragmnets and view pager
May 29 14:45:13 <gaz`> damn
May 29 14:45:24 <dragorn> has anyone got an augmented reality library they prefer?  I'm looking to do location based, not marker based, and it doesn't need to be very complex.  I'm finding a lot of libs that are more or less discontinued.
May 29 14:45:54 <evancharlton> gaz`: correct; you won't be able to slide the activity under the user's finger and have the next one page in
May 29 14:46:24 <gaz`> right now i dont mind too much
May 29 14:46:33 <wongk> dragorn: lsd
May 29 15:01:39 <kselos> hi all
May 29 15:02:23 <kselos> how to check app version from not instaled apk file in java ?
May 29 15:02:33 <mikedg> huh?
May 29 15:02:52 <mikedg> like you want to see the version of an app in an APK on the filesystem
May 29 15:03:25 <mikedg> aapt dump badging myapp.apk
May 29 15:05:14 <readme> thats going in my protips file
May 29 15:05:57 <velazcod> mikedg: like this? http://pastebin.com/F87Q3vMh
May 29 15:06:38 <Jug6ernaut> is there any reason why a fragments onCreate would not run on UI thread?
May 29 15:06:45 <readme> no
May 29 15:06:49 <Jug6ernaut> hmm
May 29 15:06:53 <readme> show code?
May 29 15:07:16 <velazcod> kselos: http://pastebin.com/F87Q3vMh
May 29 15:07:22 <Jug6ernaut> bc i have an async task that wont run its doInBackground();
May 29 15:07:34 <Jug6ernaut> which i can only assume wont run bc not on UI thread?
May 29 15:07:46 <Jug6ernaut> but its being created & executed in onCreate
May 29 15:08:00 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/notes/commit/15d2c2208a2aa8c246f5848f860b4ede1c8fa9bf#Android
May 29 15:08:05 <readme> code, you must show
May 29 15:08:32 <Jug6ernaut> readme me?
May 29 15:08:53 <readme> show code you must
May 29 15:09:14 <jjnye> Jug6ernaut: You stick an @Override annotation on your implementation of doInBackground() to make sure you're not overloading?
May 29 15:09:28 <john_doe_jr> hey, actionbar uses a state-list drawables to underline a selected tab....does anyone know how I can reference those drawables and apply them to a textview so that my custom textview is underlined?
May 29 15:09:58 <Jug6ernaut> jjnye well get this, if i install the app, it will run one time, close app, reopen doInBackground will not run
May 29 15:10:19 <bsilwal> is there such a conversion tool that can convert  xhdpi to appropriate hdpi, ldpi, and mdpi
May 29 15:10:24 <obiwahn> does anybody know what the problem with cf-root and rommanager is exactly?
May 29 15:10:26 <readme> Jug6ernaut: let me see your palm, and I will look into my crystal ball!
May 29 15:10:36 <Jug6ernaut> lol
May 29 15:10:48 <jjnye> Jug6ernaut: are you doing .execute() in onCreate()?
May 29 15:10:57 <Jug6ernaut> yes
May 29 15:11:10 <Jug6ernaut> no
May 29 15:11:11 <bsilwal> repeat is there such a conversion tool that can convert  xhdpi to appropriate hdpi, ldpi, and mdpi ( not photoshop _
May 29 15:11:13 <Jug6ernaut> onCreateView();
May 29 15:12:18 <bsilwal> right there is something called ImageMagick
May 29 15:12:25 <mikedg> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rowdyrobot/tod-connect-real-world-actions-to-mobile-devices-a?ref=users hmm
May 29 15:12:28 * Jug6ernaut goes looks at fragment lifecycle again
May 29 15:12:38 <jjnye> Jug6ernaut: try doing it in onResume()
May 29 15:13:58 <pfn> john_doe_jr, you copy the resources into your project
May 29 15:14:07 <Jug6ernaut> jjnye will do
May 29 15:14:14 <elec29a> my widget is not showing under android 4.0 could someone post me a turtorial site or give meh help ?
May 29 15:14:33 <jjnye> Jug6ernaut: onCreate() and similar functions only get run once unless the activity/fragment in question is cleaned up out of memory and needs to be reinstantiated.
May 29 15:14:48 <Jug6ernaut> right
May 29 15:17:06 <kselos> @velazcod, @mikedg: i want to see version of packet from java code, and this package is not instaled yet
May 29 15:17:29 <moonlightcheese> so... how does ExpandableListView.setIndicatorBounds work?
May 29 15:17:44 <ClockworkAnt> when you are designing icons for buttons in your app how do you determine what size the base resources should be? I understand you have the different dpi qualifiers however how do you relate your button size in dp to the pixel size of the image asset you use for the button/imageview?
May 29 15:18:34 <john_doe_jr> pfn: why can't I just use the actionbar state-list on my custom text view to have it underlined?
May 29 15:18:44 <pfn> because the resource isn't public
May 29 15:19:05 <pfn> you can use reflection to grab it, I suppose
May 29 15:19:39 <john_doe_jr> pfn: reflection?
May 29 15:20:42 <alexfu> anyone know what this message ` [com.my.package.MainActivity] is not assignable to 'android.app.Activity' ` means?
May 29 15:21:01 <john_doe_jr> pfn: what is reflection?
May 29 15:21:20 <elec29a> a reverse enigner tool or not ?
May 29 15:21:47 <jjnye> alexfu: is MainActivity extending Activity?
May 29 15:22:14 <pfn> john_doe_jr, learn to google
May 29 15:22:28 <moonlightcheese> i have no idea what these parameters are supposed to do.  i can see the indicator moving around the screen with different values but i can't see the math behind it.
May 29 15:22:44 <john_doe_jr> pfn: I'm googling as we speak
May 29 15:22:45 <alexfu> jjnye, at some level, yes. In my specific case, MainActivity extends SherlockFragmentActivity
May 29 15:22:54 <moonlightcheese> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ExpandableListView.html#setIndicatorBounds(int, int)
May 29 15:24:10 <john_doe_jr> pfn: Reflection gives developers the flexibility to inspect and determine API characteristics at runtime, instead of compile time.
May 29 15:24:24 <Kannibal> is it posible to create a symbolic link in android to a shared library?
May 29 15:24:30 <jjnye> alexfu: i've run into that before. depending on your IDE, try doing a complete rebuild, clearing caches, etc
May 29 15:24:43 <Kannibal> the library itself is trying to call thelib.so.12
May 29 15:24:53 <readme> john_doe_jr: after you google, you have to also research the topic ;)
May 29 15:25:05 <readme> not just paste the first line of wikipedia and beg for more
May 29 15:25:08 <alexfu> jjnye, will do
May 29 15:25:32 <john_doe_jr> readme: I'm not begging ...dang ...just giving a status update
May 29 15:25:52 <readme> john_doe_jr: sorry, that was just my personal impression
May 29 15:26:01 <readme> I cant help but have a subjective world view
May 29 15:27:08 <elec29a> can i buy a turtor mentor here that is helping me on my app simple questions 20Euro ? i pay more as soon as needed
May 29 15:27:28 <john_doe_jr> readme: true but you can expand your subjected world view w/ more information
May 29 15:28:23 <readme> what did you want to know about reflection?
May 29 15:29:34 <readme> Oh, resources
May 29 15:29:39 <john_doe_jr> readme: well, I'm wondering why  I can't just use the actionbar state-list on my custom text view to have it underlined?...pfn pointed out that it's private and I'd have to do some reverse engineering...I guess I'll just make my own state-list to get it underlined
May 29 15:29:58 <readme> yeah.. you definitely don't want to use reflection just for that.
May 29 15:31:16 <readme> you should still learn it, though.
May 29 15:31:31 * Jug6ernaut wants to kill asynctask
May 29 15:31:40 * readme wants Jug6ernaut to show his code already
May 29 15:31:40 <john_doe_jr> readme: well maybe later...don't have time...
May 29 15:31:58 <readme> murder is a seirous crime
May 29 15:32:03 <readme> serious*
May 29 15:32:35 <Jug6ernaut> readme i have no idea what part to show you lol, its just a fragment, then a asynctask :\
May 29 15:32:54 <readme> show the fragment and the asynctask then
May 29 15:33:02 <readme> maybe you just made a simple oversight
May 29 15:33:07 <readme> you get any stacktraces or anything
May 29 15:33:20 <Jug6ernaut> nope, just doInBackground not called
May 29 15:33:28 <readme> lets see it
May 29 15:33:37 <Jug6ernaut> if i call from onCreate it will always go through, but views are not created yet so useless
May 29 15:33:53 <Jug6ernaut> if i use after onCreate it will run through a few times, then not.
May 29 15:34:55 <Jug6ernaut> give me a few seconds to clean shit up then :\
May 29 15:34:59 <readme> haha
May 29 15:35:23 <readme> yeah, if you have to refactor I might be at the grocery store, but I'll look at it later if the problem doesn't come to light after you clean it up
May 29 15:36:31 <Jug6ernaut> lol alright
May 29 15:40:23 <ddreamer0> hi
May 29 15:40:51 <Vardan> hi all
May 29 15:41:06 <ddreamer0> can i call a normal funcion from within a thread? will that break all the purpose of my async thread?
May 29 15:41:30 <ddreamer0> i want to load more elements to my list via webservice and not slow the list down
May 29 15:42:50 <Jug6ernaut> readme
May 29 15:43:16 <alowaniak> hmm
May 29 15:43:19 <readme> yeah
May 29 15:43:23 <alowaniak> if i've got an activity with dialog theme
May 29 15:43:28 <alowaniak> how can i set it to non cancelable?
May 29 15:43:41 <readme> override onBackPressed
May 29 15:43:45 <Jug6ernaut> readme: http://pastebin.com/m6Sbbs2Z
May 29 15:44:00 <Napalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw
May 29 15:44:04 <Napalm> sorry ita s must
May 29 15:44:12 <Jug6ernaut> important parts are just the async task really, and it being run lol
May 29 15:44:41 <Vardan> I have strange problem :) My device is Android 2.3.7, I'm writing JNI application where I'm using SDL2. So, I'm trying to use javax.microedition.khronos.egl.EGLContext class which exists in android.jar, but when I run application on device I got this error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax.microedition.khronos.egl.EGLContext
May 29 15:45:39 <alowaniak> so if yu got dialog theme and you just press anywhere on screen it triggers a onBackPressed for the activity?
May 29 15:46:00 <readme> Jug6ernaut: why are you creating an additional thread in doInBackground?
May 29 15:46:15 <readme> alowaniak: oh. pressing the screen causes cancellation?
May 29 15:46:26 * readme did not ntoice this fbefore.
May 29 15:46:32 <readme> bah, bad typing.
May 29 15:46:38 <readme> try overriding onTouch, then
May 29 15:46:43 <Jug6ernaut> readme just for monitoring timeout
May 29 15:46:57 <Jug6ernaut> readme but even in a blank doInBackground problem is still there
May 29 15:47:00 <alowaniak> k ty, readme will try
May 29 15:47:17 <readme> Jug6ernaut: I fail to see why you even need to have doInBackground if you are going to create the thread with that thread pool.
May 29 15:48:14 <Jug6ernaut> besides the point :P
May 29 15:48:24 <Napalm> alowaniak: add a new style inherit the default dialog style you currently use then add <item name="android:windowCloseOnTouchOutside">false</item>
May 29 15:48:25 <readme> that's a frivolous thread
May 29 15:49:13 <Jug6ernaut> fine, i agree, will change...still besides the point xD
May 29 15:49:15 <Napalm> alowaniak: what you want to do is to modify a window flag which i dont believe you can do once its been attached to the window manager
May 29 15:49:23 <Napalm> so that above is the solution
May 29 15:49:59 <readme> Jug6ernaut: on the times it doesn't run, what does getStatus() return?
May 29 15:50:12 <Jug6ernaut> yes
May 29 15:50:24 <Jug6ernaut> Finished
May 29 15:52:41 <readme> I would be inclined to believe that your current hunch about why "the task isn't running" -- whatever that means, is completely off-base
May 29 15:52:47 <readme> just start coming up with brand new theories
May 29 15:53:12 <john_doe_jr> Once you create a state-list...how do you apply that to a TextView? Apply it as a Background Resource?
May 29 15:53:28 <Napalm> setBackgroundDrawable
May 29 15:53:57 <pcboy_> Is anyone using zxing to _encode_ QR codes? It's easy to find documentation on a scan but not on encode. I found that http://awalkingcity.com/blog/2008/10/23/qr-codes-made-even-easier-with-android/ but I don't get it. Everyone is doing a startActivity(intent); , cool but could I just have the QR to put it in a ImageView after that?
May 29 15:54:49 <canadiancow|work> i did that once
May 29 15:54:55 <canadiancow|work> i had to modify zxing though
May 29 15:55:00 <canadiancow|work> it didnt support the format i wanted
May 29 15:55:15 <canadiancow|work> but you can get it to generate a bitmap
May 29 15:55:28 <pcboy_> Yes this is what I want to do. Just generate a bitmap.
May 29 15:55:40 <pcboy_> In memory. And put that in an imageView.
May 29 15:55:54 <canadiancow|work> im about 99% sure it supports that...
May 29 15:56:19 <readme> Jug6ernaut: also get an @Override annotation on doInBackgrouind
May 29 15:56:29 <readme> as was suggested earlier by another chatter
May 29 15:56:43 <Jug6ernaut> woops
May 29 15:56:50 * Jug6ernaut assumed he had one...
May 29 15:57:02 <sam> pcboy_: I use qrencode to encode QR codes
May 29 15:57:26 <sam> it requires 5 or 6 lines of code
May 29 15:59:31 <pcboy_> sam: Where can I found qrencode? Are you talking about this? http://fukuchi.org/works/qrencode/index.html.en It's not available in java on the page.
May 29 15:59:46 <BloodSkin> anyone know of a hello world that assumes you have no experience at all waith java?
May 29 16:00:37 <BloodSkin> ive found a few nice tuts but they all assume you have a java background
May 29 16:00:50 <readme> BloodSkin: java is reqired for android development, not optional
May 29 16:00:58 <readme> anyone who tells you otherwise is incompetent and not to be trusted
May 29 16:01:05 <pcboy_> You can do scala too.
May 29 16:01:08 <BloodSkin> not true, you can develop in c# as well
May 29 16:01:17 <readme> BloodSkin: wow, I'm impressed
May 29 16:01:18 <pcboy_> And it works in C# and clojure with some issues.
May 29 16:01:25 <readme> I didn't think you'd know about xamarin
May 29 16:01:40 <BloodSkin> really i dont
May 29 16:01:41 <readme> pcboy_: I assume if he was trying to avoid learning java, then suggesting scala would be a non-starter.
May 29 16:01:55 <pcboy_> I avoid java.
May 29 16:01:58 <readme> BloodSkin: you know what you have to do then, learn java, or, as you've mentioned, C#
May 29 16:02:02 <BloodSkin> ive just stumbled onto a few articles that declare there are ides for developing in sharp
May 29 16:02:14 <readme> pcboy_: if you are going to tell me you know scala but not java, you're full of bull
May 29 16:02:20 <BloodSkin> oi
May 29 16:02:28 <pcboy_> I never developed anything in java.
May 29 16:02:44 <pcboy_> Each time I tried I wanted to kill myself.
May 29 16:02:56 <readme> pcboy_: but you've developed in scala?
May 29 16:03:06 <pcboy_> Yeah. I'm currently doing my android app in scala.
May 29 16:03:25 <pcboy_> Not that it's my first programming language though.
May 29 16:03:34 <readme> You'll have to show me when it's done. I'd be impressed to see someone complete a whole scala application without knowing java.
May 29 16:06:14 <readme> tl;dr learn java
May 29 16:06:51 <pcboy_> sam: Found it http://androiducl.blogspot.jp/2012/04/bitmap-in-zxing.html
May 29 16:07:32 <sam> pcboy_: ah sorry, I stupidly assumed C/C++
May 29 16:07:45 <pcboy_> readme: I don't see what's your problem. Why do you think someone can't do scala without knowing java?
May 29 16:07:59 <pcboy_> If you know functional programming and OOP I don't see any problem there.
May 29 16:08:16 <pcboy_> In fact I don't have any big problem for now.
May 29 16:09:12 <readme> pcboy_: scala makes heavy use of java libraries and runs on the JVM
May 29 16:09:36 <readme> it's possible, but you would probably never have a really good understanding of it without learning java, I think.
May 29 16:09:47 <pcboy_> scala has it's own collections which I'm using. It runs on the jvm right, and?
May 29 16:10:17 <sam> I believe the exact contrary, that not knowing Java has a better chance of making you a good Scala developer
May 29 16:10:46 <readme> well, it doesn't give you a better chance of becoming a good android developer
May 29 16:10:50 <sam> that it runs on the JVM is irrelevant
May 29 16:10:50 <readme> and guess what the topic is here
May 29 16:10:52 <readme> thanks,c ase closed.
May 29 16:11:40 <pcboy_> You can do android developement without any problem in scala. In fact, this is even simpler most of the time.
May 29 16:11:50 <sam> guess what, I've written thousands of lines of code for Android and I don't program in Java
May 29 16:12:04 <pcboy_> http://technically.us/oscon/#0  you should read that.
May 29 16:12:58 <readme> show me a notable android project that is written in scala
May 29 16:13:22 <readme> Don't get the wrong impression. I think it's a cool language.
May 29 16:13:25 <readme> but, show me even one.
May 29 16:15:58 <Zider> readme: now see what you did, you killed the chat! :P
May 29 16:16:48 <readme> harsh doses of reality tend to do that, sorry Zider
May 29 16:16:51 <pcboy_> readme: bump
May 29 16:16:57 <readme> they're googling for scala projects
May 29 16:17:19 <readme> http://robots.thoughtbot.com/post/5836463058/scala-a-better-java-for-android
May 29 16:17:30 <readme> I know the author of this article, IRL.
May 29 16:17:59 <oGMo> does scala really work well now? last time i checked it was pretty iffy
May 29 16:18:07 <readme> scala is cool; my problem was that you were suggesting it to a clueless noob
May 29 16:18:21 <readme> not that you can or can't write in scala
May 29 16:20:16 <Zider> I never even heard of it before..
May 29 16:20:26 <oGMo> what, scala?
May 29 16:20:30 <Zider> only "scaal multimedia" on Amiga.. but I'm guessing it's unrelated ;P
May 29 16:20:35 <readme> it's a much less cumbersome version of java.
May 29 16:20:37 <Zider> scala*
May 29 16:20:41 <readme> to put it crudely
May 29 16:20:42 <oGMo> it's .. ok
May 29 16:21:08 <readme> not saying that it's java. making a crude comparsion, just to be clear.
May 29 16:21:40 <Zider> so what's the drawback?
May 29 16:21:56 <readme> well, lets start with the lack of examples
May 29 16:22:12 <readme> the other drawback would be the lack of production code that is written in scala for android
May 29 16:22:21 <readme> which makes it scary/risky
May 29 16:22:27 <readme> other than that, no drawbacks
May 29 16:22:33 <Zider> I see
May 29 16:23:00 <readme> you don't run into many bugs when you write a little hello world. you run into them when you try to write actual programs.
May 29 16:29:28 <readme> Zider: my point was not that you can't develop in another language. It was that you're going to have a really hard time understanding the SDK examples, most Android resources, and the official docs, without java knowledge.
May 29 16:29:40 <readme> i.e. it's a requirement.
May 29 16:30:04 <readme> </rant>
May 29 16:33:08 <oGMo> besides if you're going to develop anything nontrivial and you can't pick up java in like 5 minutes you're going to have problems anyway :P
May 29 16:34:02 <pcboy_> That was my point. You don't need to know java. If you understand OOP that's ok. It's not like java is throwing at you a ton of new concepts.
May 29 16:34:14 <pcboy_> I have absolutely no problem to get the docs.
May 29 16:35:39 <readme> pcboy_: my original outrage was prompted by the fact that the person asking the question was attempting to avoid java *entirely*
May 29 16:35:47 <readme> I wanted to get the point across to him that it isn't happening.
May 29 16:36:25 <readme> sorry if I offended your love for scala or any other alternative language
May 29 16:36:50 <readme> I think they are all cool options, although they are roads much less travelled
May 29 16:37:20 <oGMo> really? it looked like they were looking for a java tutorial that started with the basics
May 29 16:37:30 <readme> no, they specifically said "no java"
May 29 16:37:46 <oGMo> oh, lame .. why would you .. never mind ;)
May 29 16:37:47 <readme> I told them they need to learn java....
May 29 16:37:57 <readme> then pcboy said oh wait no, you can learn scala instead!
May 29 16:38:30 <pcboy_> Oh yeah of course. You still need to use the sdk so yeah you can't make a pass on that. Like using rubyMotion for doing iOS development will not make you escape from the iOS sdk docs in obj-c.
May 29 16:38:33 <readme> oGMo: yes, it was a mistake to even give the time of day.
May 29 16:39:11 <oGMo> though apparently we have spent the past 40 minutes discussing it ;)
May 29 16:39:56 <readme> http://xkcd.com/386/
May 29 16:40:08 <oGMo> exactly
May 29 16:41:44 <pcboy_> oGMo: I was in fact more replying to "java is reqired for android development, not optional anyone who tells you otherwise is incompetent and not to be trusted" . Which is a plain wrong statement.
May 29 16:41:54 <readme> it is required
May 29 16:42:05 <oGMo> eh
May 29 16:42:06 <readme> in the sense that if you don't know it you won't be able to understand any of the documentation or example code.
May 29 16:42:25 <readme> you might think you understand it because of your ability to infer things from previous languages, but it will only be a shallow understanding.
May 29 16:42:57 <oGMo> readme: i'd disagree. java is fairly readable, and if you're only interested in ndk/gl/game-related stuff, 95% of the platform is irrelevant, and you can grok the rest from examples .. given there are full ndk setup/teardown now, you might never even see a line of java
May 29 16:43:01 <pcboy_> Again, I've never wrote any line of java, I have no problem understanding the documentation or example code. I can even translate them to a scala version quickly.
May 29 16:43:24 <pcboy_> Java is not hard to understand at all. I don't see why I would have a "shallow understanding".
May 29 16:43:24 <readme> I would bet you miss a lot of things due to your lack of a java background and just don't realize it.
May 29 16:43:36 <readme> Java is actually a fairly large and complicated language.
May 29 16:43:52 <oGMo> i doubt it .. java isn't exactly subtle
May 29 16:43:55 <readme> Just because the learning curve is easy doesn't mean it's not complicated or can be avoided selectively.
May 29 16:44:01 <pcboy_> I know it's large and complicated. Like C++ is large and complicated.
May 29 16:44:05 <readme> for the record, I learned java as I went as well.
May 29 16:44:13 <oGMo> java isn't that large and complicated :p
May 29 16:44:29 <bubbleguuum> more than you think
May 29 16:44:31 <Zider> I still haven't even learned the basics :P
May 29 16:44:35 <readme> oGMo: tell me the details of WeakReferences and the volatile keyword
May 29 16:44:55 <oGMo> readme: weak references are an age-old concept if you know any GC-based language
May 29 16:45:07 <bubbleguuum> Java is not as complicated as C++ but it sure gets its dose of complication
May 29 16:45:10 <oGMo> and if i really care to know about volatile i can look it up or guess on context
May 29 16:45:45 <readme> here's another example. you wouldn't automatically know how java serialization works if you hadn't at least studied that
May 29 16:45:49 <bubbleguuum> oGMo: you should never guess because your guess will be wrong
May 29 16:45:51 <readme> that's used in the SDK, too.
May 29 16:45:57 <readme> bubbleguuum: ++
May 29 16:45:59 <readme> I love you
May 29 16:46:00 <oGMo> of course i do all my primary development in common lisp, so java is like an ez-bake oven
May 29 16:46:07 <bubbleguuum> that's like guessing were optimization must be done
May 29 16:46:14 <readme> guessing is for amateurs. Knowing is for experts.
May 29 16:46:16 <bubbleguuum> 99% of case you will guess it wrong
May 29 16:46:19 <oGMo> bubbleguuum: maybe if you have no experience with other languages .. including english
May 29 16:46:51 <readme> what about the transient keyword?
May 29 16:46:56 <readme> that's not exactly common sense
May 29 16:47:15 * readme continues to think of more curveball java quesitons
May 29 16:47:27 <oGMo> if you encountered any of this, it's easy to google
May 29 16:47:32 <Zider> what's curveball?
May 29 16:47:41 <oGMo> and "not serialized" is a trivial concept :p
May 29 16:47:48 <oGMo> i guess you work with a lot of idiots
May 29 16:47:48 <readme> Zider: the vernacular for something that isn't intuitive
May 29 16:48:25 <oGMo> these are easily googled and the meanings are very simple
May 29 16:48:25 <pcboy_> All of these are just syntax differences. There is nothing new. These are present in a ton of other well-used languages.
May 29 16:48:26 <readme> oGMo: thinking you can just infer the details of a  language without actually making an effort to learn it is not being intelligent, it's being arrogant.
May 29 16:48:26 <Zider> readme: umm.. I don't know what vernacular means either.. (not native english speaker)
May 29 16:48:33 <readme> Zider: unexpected
May 29 16:48:35 <bubbleguuum> anytime I encouter a developer saying: "Oh but this is easy!". I avoid it like the plague.
May 29 16:48:45 <Zider> readme: really?
May 29 16:48:46 <readme> the vernacular is what is common place expression of a thing
May 29 16:48:52 <readme> unexpected is curveball
May 29 16:48:56 <Zider> ohh
May 29 16:48:57 <Zider> :D
May 29 16:49:05 <oGMo> readme: you can't necessarily infer the details, but you might be able to in context, and failing that, you can look it up, and if these aren't obvious/immediate things you do looking at code, you don't read very much code
May 29 16:49:19 <Zider> I thought you meant it was unexpected that I'm not native english speaker :)
May 29 16:49:44 <readme> oGMo: I learned java that way
May 29 16:49:49 <readme> it's the worst possible way to learn something.
May 29 16:49:54 <oGMo> maybe if you're new at learning
May 29 16:49:59 <readme> no, I'm not
May 29 16:50:08 <oGMo> though if i was learning a language i'd just read the documentation
May 29 16:50:11 <pcboy_> It totally depend on people.
May 29 16:50:16 <readme> learning as you go is basically akin to drinking through a firehose
May 29 16:50:27 <readme> try learning mathematics "as you go"
May 29 16:50:33 <readme> or physics
May 29 16:50:33 <oGMo> yeah .. you do it enough, it's not really hard
May 29 16:50:34 <pcboy_> Some people are better with practice/reading code, some are better with theory.
May 29 16:50:40 <readme> why not learn rocket science while you build a rocket!@
May 29 16:50:43 <readme> great idea
May 29 16:50:54 <oGMo> tell that to the people who invented rocket science as they were building a rocket
May 29 16:50:56 <pcboy_> This is I how I learned everything in my life.
May 29 16:50:59 <oGMo> i.e., smart people
May 29 16:51:12 <GeeksOnHugs> brb
May 29 16:51:57 <readme> oGMo: smart people would agree that if knowledge has already been recorded and a method of teaching that knowledge has thoroughly been developed, and that said knowledge is currently being disseminated in many forms, and is readily available, then learning by experimentation is a method that is doomed to repeat the failures of others who have come before you
May 29 16:52:19 <readme> smart people don't learn just from their own mistakes, they learn from the mistakes of others
May 29 16:52:30 <Zider> agreed
May 29 16:52:58 <oGMo> readme: sure. read the effing manual. but if you're learning something to write java, why wouldn't you learn java first? and if you're learning something to not write java (e.g., ndk), why would you need to?
May 29 16:53:02 <mikedg> smart people dont make mistakes
May 29 16:53:08 <mikedg> and they dont allow others to make mistakes
May 29 16:53:12 <oGMo> no, smart people make mistakes and learn from them
May 29 16:53:19 <mikedg> no
May 29 16:53:29 <oGMo> people who don't make mistakes are self-deluded people who do nothing but make mistakes repeatedly
May 29 16:53:33 <mikedg> smart people just know stuff better so they don't make mistakes
May 29 16:53:41 <mikedg> your mom made a mistake!
May 29 16:54:00 <readme> hopefully the smart people oGMo is talking about aren't in charge of any contagious disesase laboratories or nuclear facilities
May 29 16:54:21 <readme> or meth labs
May 29 16:54:35 <Zider> smart people don't deal with drugs. :P
May 29 16:58:38 <xroberx> hey guys, does anyone know what's going on with Google Play ? Its ranking is stuck since a few days ago
May 29 16:58:57 <woozly> guys, why I hasn't slide animation when I call another Activity?
May 29 16:59:20 <orospakr> hi! I'm sliding fragments around in my activity in order to indicate navigation.  These fragments are setting up action bar items. Is it at all possible to place the action bars inside the fragments such that they'll translate along with the fragments?
May 29 16:59:33 <evancharlton> woozly: why haven't you shown us source code? http://pastebin.com/ please :)
May 29 16:59:43 <evancharlton> orospakr: no
May 29 17:00:23 <orospakr> evancharlton, ah, I thought as much.
May 29 17:00:38 <orospakr> thank you. :)
May 29 17:01:13 <xroberx> I can't believe nobody has noticed Google Play rank is stuck... come on, anyone ? I'm getting mad because I uploaded an app 5 days ago, and the rank has not been changed when it usually changes every single day (even more than once)
May 29 17:02:05 <readme> xroberx: do you use a tool to check the rank
May 29 17:02:12 <readme> or do you just surf to your app manually for a keyword
May 29 17:03:01 <xroberx> readme: it's just not my app, every single app is stuck on the rank it has 5 days ago
May 29 17:03:08 <xroberx> had
May 29 17:03:22 <readme> xroberx: aside from that.. I am curious how you check yur rank
May 29 17:03:27 <readme> I would like a way to check mine
May 29 17:03:33 <xroberx> readme: manually :)
May 29 17:03:42 <readme> gah :)(
May 29 17:04:25 <xroberx> readme: it would be nice if Google provided the rank in the developer console... but maybe it is asking too much
May 29 17:04:44 <readme> it should definitely be there
May 29 17:04:55 <readme> give us some incentive to write better apps.
May 29 17:05:21 <mikedg> you have an incentive
May 29 17:05:22 <mikedg> money
May 29 17:05:24 <evancharlton> xroberx: the rank?
May 29 17:05:37 <readme> mikedg: i've got a cool thirty bucks coming in this month
May 29 17:05:44 <readme> but I'd like... $2000
May 29 17:05:45 <xroberx> evancharlton: the ranking of your apps, yes
May 29 17:05:53 <mikedg> id like $50000
May 29 17:06:06 <mikedg> xroberx: want to buy my apps
May 29 17:06:06 <raywan> If there are no results, does a Cursor return null from query()?
May 29 17:06:11 <john_doe_jr> readme: setBackgroundDrawable is expecting a drawable but when I define a drawable it is just an int resource reference....How do I get a drawable to give to setBackgroundDrawable....?
May 29 17:06:12 <mikedg> i have number one rank melon app!
May 29 17:06:12 <evancharlton> xroberx: that doesn't make any sense.
May 29 17:06:14 <evancharlton> raywan: no
May 29 17:06:17 <mikedg> raywan: no
May 29 17:06:18 <readme> melons mikedg ?
May 29 17:06:22 <readme> leave me a link
May 29 17:06:23 <evancharlton> raywan: it returns a Cursor with a getCount() of 0
May 29 17:06:25 <readme> I'll check it out when I get back
May 29 17:06:30 <xroberx> evancharlton: what does not make sense ?
May 29 17:06:45 <mikedg> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mikedg.android.melon&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5taWtlZGcuYW5kcm9pZC5tZWxvbiJd
May 29 17:06:57 <raywan> What does the javadoc mean? "A Cursor object, which is positioned before the first entry, or null"
May 29 17:07:05 <raywan> when will null occur?
May 29 17:07:15 <mikedg> raywan: when you have an exception
May 29 17:07:20 <mikedg> and it doesnt actually return
May 29 17:07:30 <mikedg> erection, i meant when you have an erection
May 29 17:07:44 <raywan> ok
May 29 17:08:04 <evancharlton> xroberx: your rank to whom? what device? what location? what carrier? There are a million factors which affect your rank; it's not some global single-source-of-truth list...
May 29 17:08:32 <raywan> thx
May 29 17:08:50 <bubbleguuum> raywan: it returns null if the database cannot be opened
May 29 17:09:18 <xroberx> evancharlton: what do you mean ? every app has a rank associated
May 29 17:09:49 <mikedg> every app has a million ranks associated
May 29 17:10:05 <xroberx> :-S
May 29 17:10:12 <evancharlton> xroberx: what?
May 29 17:10:28 <xroberx> you mean the rank varies by country ?
May 29 17:10:34 <evancharlton> xroberx: of course
May 29 17:10:45 <xroberx> oh, I know
May 29 17:10:47 <evancharlton> xroberx: what happens if every single app "above" yours isn't available in the user's country?
May 29 17:11:03 <evancharlton> or for their device
May 29 17:11:11 <mikedg> number 1 ENGLISH NOTEPAD APP in KHAZAKISTAN!
May 29 17:11:15 <john_doe_jr> readme: nevermind...figured it out setBackgroundDrawable(getResources().getDrawable
May 29 17:11:16 <evancharlton> or for their content level settings?
May 29 17:11:32 <mikedg> number 1 ENGLISH NOTEPAD APP for ATT Motorola Flipout in KHAZAKISTAN!
May 29 17:11:45 <xroberx> evancharlton: but that doesn't make it impossible to show the rank by country in the developer console
May 29 17:12:03 <evancharlton> xroberx: country isn't the only factor, as I said...
May 29 17:13:06 <xroberx_> oops
May 29 17:13:13 <woozly> guys, who know how to make default change-activity animation?
May 29 17:13:27 <Napalm> hey mikedg
May 29 17:13:31 <woozly> when I startActivity() - no animation between activity (
May 29 17:13:37 <mikedg> hi napalm
May 29 17:13:58 <mikedg> whats up dog?
May 29 17:14:56 <Napalm> not a lot, just admiring how random data can help find bugs
May 29 17:15:27 <evancharlton> woozly: as I said before, show us your source code. We don't like to play guess-and-check :)
May 29 17:15:34 <woozly> I can't
May 29 17:15:35 <woozly> )
May 29 17:15:39 <mikedg> oh whenever that happens I throw out all my code since it's probably fubar
May 29 17:16:10 <Napalm> mikedg: im injecting random data to test layouts how and how they react
May 29 17:16:18 <Napalm> now just to cure all these issues
May 29 17:17:55 <Napalm> ah rounding errors
May 29 17:18:01 <Napalm> my favorite :|
May 29 17:18:55 <rgvneil> Hello- please respond "42" if you see this post
May 29 17:19:29 <mikedg> don't use floats for currency!
May 29 17:19:36 <Zider> rgvneil: no! *refuses*
May 29 17:19:58 <mikedg> "42" if you see this post
May 29 17:20:07 <Napalm> mikedg: indeed
May 29 17:20:11 <rgvneil> Zider: Sorry, first time irc'er here
May 29 17:20:36 <rgvneil> mikedg: tks...
May 29 17:20:39 <mikedg> this is the wrong channcel for your first time
May 29 17:20:44 <mikedg> try #teenvirgins
May 29 17:22:27 <rgvneil> Anyone here ever use JDBC from Android?  I *KNOW* it's not usually a good idea - but in this case it is intranet only wifi connection and no web server to do a REST request.
May 29 17:22:29 <rgvneil> ?
May 29 17:24:19 <rgvneil> I tried the current mysql jdbc driver 5.1.20 and3.0.17 (the one that comes up when you google "the only jar that works"
May 29 17:29:35 <rgvneil> ...
May 29 17:30:06 <wongk> rgvneil: did you add this jar to the "libs" folder of your project?
May 29 17:36:48 <rgvneil> wongk: yes
May 29 17:37:06 <wongk> rgvneil: so what are you experiencing?
May 29 17:37:17 <rgvneil> wongk: it gives the class not found error
May 29 17:38:10 <rgvneil> in 	Class.forName("com.mysql.jdbc.Driver"); 		
May 29 17:38:18 <rgvneil> I mean when trying to execite the line "	Class.forName("com.mysql.jdbc.Driver"); 		
May 29 17:44:03 <rgrinberg> I'm getting strange behaviour in my app. I have a section in my code where I log a debug message using Log.d and yet the message does not show in my LogCat. However I'm certain that section gets executed because I added a toast there there that does show up.
May 29 17:44:09 <rgrinberg> Anybody knows what could be causing this? LogCat appears to be working since i see many other messages.
May 29 17:44:32 <wongk> i'm not sure what the purpose of that Class.forName pattern is supposed to be, but i assume it's not the cause of the error
May 29 17:44:47 <Napalm> rgrinberg: check your logcat filter and the device logcat is trying to use by selecting the device in ddms
May 29 17:45:18 <rgrinberg> Napalm: will do
May 29 17:47:29 <rgrinberg> Napalm: thanks that seemed work
May 29 17:47:41 <rgrinberg> is there a way to view log messages from the console though?
May 29 17:47:53 <Napalm> from what console?
May 29 17:47:57 <Napalm> what do you mean
May 29 17:48:11 <rgrinberg> outside of eclipse, in a terminal window
May 29 17:48:39 <Napalm> yea
May 29 17:48:41 <wongk> http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/fridays-big-question-is-the-verizon-nexus-experiment-a-failure-r803
May 29 17:48:45 <Napalm> just run: adb logcat
May 29 17:49:05 <wongk> helps to filter the output
May 29 17:49:13 <john_doe_jr> hey, I've got a drawable that sets the background color to gray when selected but I'd like to underline the text when the textview is selected...any idea?
May 29 17:49:21 <rgrinberg> Napalm: thanks agin
May 29 17:49:23 <rgrinberg> again*
May 29 17:50:47 <rgvneil> wongk: Do you happen to know how to use JDBC with Android?
May 29 17:51:22 <wongk> i know how to use external jars, i don't know anything about JDBC specifically
May 29 17:51:33 <alankila> I think any jdbc that is pure-java should probably do it
May 29 17:51:41 <alankila> not sure if android contains the javax.sql stuff
May 29 17:52:29 <wongk> if the ClassNotFound is the class he's trying to load specifically, and not some dependent class, then it's likely a problem with the jar
May 29 17:52:40 <rgvneil> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/connector-j-usagenotes-connect-drivermanager.html
May 29 17:53:15 <rgvneil> The question is "How do i get to my mysql db from android BESIDES build a rest interface with php and a web server?" - the answer might be jdbc
May 29 17:54:17 <rgvneil>  i'm not that experienced in java - if anyone can help me understand what Class.forname is about that would be cool, but I'll add the bit taht mentions "broken imp of java' i forgot about that
May 29 17:55:38 <wongk> it's essentially reflection
May 29 17:56:00 <rgvneil> yeah, that makes sense, i have used some reflection, fields by name and such
May 29 17:56:20 <rgvneil> i'm just not sure what hte POINT is in this case? e.g. it says "dont import or it will mess up" seems extremely screwe4d up
May 29 17:56:41 <wongk> yeah, it doesn't mention wh at the issue is, specifically
May 29 17:56:59 <wongk> seems to indicate some JVMs are blroken
May 29 17:57:56 * wongk meeting
May 29 17:58:38 * GeeksOnHugs is back, and better than ever!
May 29 17:59:57 <rgvneil> alankila: I tried an example that worked from a java desktop app first
May 29 18:01:33 <alankila> it's probably a horrible interface to connect to some external mysql server from java directly
May 29 18:01:56 <alankila> that implies your mysql db is wide open to the world, with username and password known to all
May 29 18:07:28 <f2prateek_> I have a button in an activity, and when it is clicked, I want to retrieve data from my fragment. Whats the best way to do that? An interface in my fragment for a button in the fragment works, but not when the button is outside the fragment.
May 29 18:07:55 <luxurymode> how can i display some view in place of my listview before the data is loaded into it in a case where onCreateView returns the view with the listview?
May 29 18:10:00 <luxurymode> just include it in the xml that has the listview and then hide it when data is loaded?
May 29 18:11:14 <wongk> luxurymode: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AdapterView.html#setEmptyView(android.view.View)
May 29 18:11:37 <luxurymode> wongk, thought thats for when theres nothing to display, i.e. when the dataset in the adapter is empty?
May 29 18:11:56 <luxurymode> this is before the adapter is set
May 29 18:11:56 <wongk> is that not what you asked?
May 29 18:12:22 <luxurymode> no, the empty view is for when you set the adapter and whatever list you used is empty
May 29 18:12:28 <wongk> seems like it would be empty if no adapter has been set
May 29 18:12:33 <luxurymode> hmm
May 29 18:12:41 <luxurymode> yeah no use talking about, lemme just try :) thanks
May 29 18:19:12 <gaz`> if u use android:theme="@android:style/Theme.Dialog" to make your activity "float" is there a way to use the transitions between activities still? doesnt seem to work now
May 29 18:19:39 <MDijkstra> gaz`: better to use a dialogfragment
May 29 18:19:51 <gaz`> is it possible without?
May 29 18:20:07 <MDijkstra> not sure
May 29 18:26:48 <hkhalid> hello
May 29 18:29:28 <john_doe_jr> how would I underline a textview on focus?
May 29 18:32:47 <rgvneil> alankila: it's on an intranet
May 29 18:32:54 <rgvneil> port 3306 is not open to the outside
May 29 18:32:56 <alankila> oh.
May 29 18:40:23 <readme> john_doe_jr: with StateListDrawable, as you were trying to before.
May 29 18:45:18 <readme> paste your statelistdrawable source
May 29 18:45:22 <readme> if you want
May 29 18:48:17 <canadiancow|work> if i put an empty style on an EditText, will that fuck anything up?
May 29 18:49:18 <readme> inherit
May 29 18:49:53 <readme> @android:style/Widget.EditText
May 29 18:50:35 <canadiancow|work> sensible
May 29 18:50:36 <canadiancow|work> ty
May 29 18:50:49 <hkhalid> how do I read logcat when my app force closes or goes into debug mode, and all I see are tons of error messages and I cant distiguish what it is causing the crash, i use logcat with error filter
May 29 18:51:23 <wongk> what is your filter
May 29 18:51:49 <john_doe_jr> readme: alright....but I just have the setBackgroundDrawable...and this works but how do I underline
May 29 18:52:10 <hkhalid> what filter am I supposed to put
May 29 18:52:13 <readme> john_doe_jr: put a line across the whole thing or only underline te text?
May 29 18:52:13 <hkhalid> I typed in my app name...
May 29 18:52:30 <hkhalid> filter as in viewing only "errors"
May 29 18:52:34 <readme> if the latter, I'm not sure it's supported
May 29 18:52:42 <wongk> hkhalid: what are you using to view the log?
May 29 18:52:51 <readme> on the other hand, making a nine patch with a thin line across it is easy
May 29 18:52:57 <hkhalid> wongk: eclipse
May 29 18:53:00 <leslie> readme: it's not. it's kinda crazy that you can't do something as simple as a border imo
May 29 18:53:21 <readme> hmm, you should be able to do a border witha  nine patch?
May 29 18:53:29 <readme> isn't there an orange boarder on focused edit texts?
May 29 18:53:34 <readme> border*
May 29 18:54:00 <wongk> eclipse w/ your app name shouldn't spew out an unmanagable amount of data
May 29 18:55:15 <john_doe_jr> readme: underline the text
May 29 18:55:21 <hkhalid> wongk: there are a lot of errors, in the filter, its blank, I dont know what to type to filter out just app errors so I can find out why its crashing
May 29 18:55:24 <john_doe_jr> but honestly it doesn't really matter
May 29 18:55:53 <readme> john, go with a drawable..
May 29 18:56:09 <readme> unless you want to draw the line with a canvas or something
May 29 18:56:23 <readme> you can measure the size of font with the FontMetrics class
May 29 18:56:36 <readme> to figure out how far to draw the line.. in your custom textview
May 29 18:56:56 <john_doe_jr> readme: well, how would I do it w/ a method....like now I have tvOne.setBackgroundDrawable(getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.tv_state_colors)); ...how would I do draw a line instead of changing the background
May 29 18:57:17 <readme> john_doe_jr: uh, I think it would be best to extend
May 29 18:57:23 <readme> hold on a sec, I'll write one
May 29 18:57:31 <wongk> hkhalid: should work with some piece of your apps package name
May 29 18:57:32 <readme> by a sec I mean like 15 minutes.
May 29 18:57:41 <john_doe_jr> readme: you don't have to
May 29 18:57:48 <john_doe_jr> readme: I'll figure it out
May 29 18:58:25 <john_doe_jr> readme: Here's something interesting I found: http://www.technotalkative.com/android-underline-text-in-textview/
May 29 18:58:36 <hkhalid> wongk:  thanks dude!
May 29 19:02:03 <ninjai> hey guys... I'm trying to figure out how to set up the chartdroid libraries in my project, but the only available downloads are APK files.  Am I able to include APK files and use chartdroid? How does this work?
May 29 19:03:11 <evancharlton> ninjai: sounds like you should ask the chartdroid folks?
May 29 19:03:32 * evancharlton | As a developer, you need only to have your users install the library, then implement a Content Provider according to this simple specification.
May 29 19:03:40 <evancharlton> it's an app that gets installed alongside yours
May 29 19:03:45 <evancharlton> sounds like a stupid design to me
May 29 19:03:51 <mdim> if I'm to build android.jar from 4.0.3 sources, what should I include in it so most apps can compile against it? I saw this article: http://androidforums.com/application-development/1045-source-code-android-jar.html but it seems outdated
May 29 19:04:22 <wongk> ChartDroid is an Intent-based "library application" ... nuff said
May 29 19:04:49 <wongk> that being said it's open source
May 29 19:09:11 <ninjai> evancharlton, thanks, so my suspicions were correct.  That is such a stupid design
May 29 19:09:33 <ninjai> are there any good free charting libraries I can put into my apps that anyone knows of?
May 29 19:10:29 <kadoban> i'm trying to load my app's activity to handle a specific URL scheme, does anyone see anything wrong with this intent filter? https://gist.github.com/e8f83aab6c439bfc156a i'm just getting no action at all happening when i load a URL like that from an NFC tag or otherwise. i've tried with and without the host, and http scheme or made up one
May 29 19:10:59 <kadoban> or is there something else i need to do? i added internet permission, even though i don't think that's needed, not sure what else to try/do
May 29 19:11:27 <dlaroche> I want my activities background to flash red and blue. What is the best approach?
May 29 19:16:36 <g00s> ninjai: try acahrtengine, although its not great either
May 29 19:16:40 <g00s> *achartengine
May 29 19:17:07 <g00s> i wouldn't recommend androidplot any more, it seems the community has fallen apart
May 29 19:17:43 * g00s very thoroughly evaluates all aspects of a project before using it on non-hobby apps
May 29 19:18:08 <mdim> how to change the Android library (android.jar) against which project is compiled?
May 29 19:19:10 <canadiancow|work> i think we looked into achartengine at some point
May 29 19:19:28 <Timmaah1201> hey guys, my application needs to download a file to the phone. That works all fine (shows up in DDMS) but I was wondering what the normal place to store application-specific files (that users shouldnt see) is? I would prefer not to write it on the sdcard storage, file wont be larger than 20kb
May 29 19:30:29 <blackhex> Hello everyone. Do you thing it's possible to have custom status bar notification with a TextView with counting down time value (dynamically changing)? How would you do this?
May 29 19:32:18 <g00s> canadiancow|work: did you guys settle on something ?
May 29 19:32:25 <canadiancow|work> no
May 29 19:32:32 <canadiancow|work> one guy was just doing a side project
May 29 19:32:42 <canadiancow|work> ive been waiting for him to come back to his desk so i can ask him
May 29 19:32:43 <canadiancow|work> :P
May 29 19:32:49 <canadiancow|work> i wasnt really involved
May 29 19:32:54 <wongk> good (free) charting libraries are hard to come by on every platform
May 29 19:33:21 <rgvneil> Can anyone help with JDBC?
May 29 19:33:26 <g00s> i think they are inherently challenging to write. so many styles of charts, as well as many customization points
May 29 19:33:55 <rgvneil> And, on a related note, why are my "Referenced LIbraries" section hidden in eclipse I wonder?
May 29 19:34:14 <rgvneil> see: http://shariqmobin.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/hello-world/
May 29 19:34:47 <rgvneil> (step 4)
May 29 19:35:01 <rgvneil> Anyone have any thoughts?
May 29 19:38:32 <rgvneil> specifically it seems like I dont 'know how to add class libraries, never mind that I've done it before
May 29 19:38:43 <rgvneil> I'm gettin ga ClassNotFoundException in "	Class.forName("com.mysql.jdbc.Driver").newInstance();"
May 29 19:41:11 <rgvneil> When I right click on the project and click build path-> configure build path - it looks ok
May 29 19:42:46 <rgvneil> that is to say under the libraries tab there is "mysql-connector-java..." as expected
May 29 19:45:07 <readme> john_doe_jr: here, I basically wrote an underlined edit text
May 29 19:45:28 <readme> note that on ICS, text is already underlined but not all the text.. only while typing and making spelling errors
May 29 19:45:31 <john_doe_jr> readme: really...where?
May 29 19:45:33 <readme> my underline is in green
May 29 19:45:37 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-underlined-edittext/blob/master/src/com/tomdignan/underlined/UnderlinedEditText.java
May 29 19:45:41 <readme> leslie: ^
May 29 19:45:55 <readme> it needs extra work though, it currently uses some hardcoded values I put in for expedience
May 29 19:45:59 <readme> but it basically works
May 29 19:46:26 <leslie> ah, interesting
May 29 19:47:01 <john_doe_jr> readme: awesome ...thank you ...see I was doing something like this: if (TabOneText.isSelected() == true){ TabOneText.setPaintFlags(TabOneText.getPaintFlags() | Paint.UNDERLINE_TEXT_FLAG);
May 29 19:47:11 <readme> what!
May 29 19:47:13 <readme> no way
May 29 19:47:21 <readme> did it work?
May 29 19:47:40 <leslie> a more general Border widget might be useful
May 29 19:47:52 <readme> what would that look like, a box around the text?
May 29 19:48:14 <readme> I'm thinking if he found an easier way to make underlines, that I could instead make this "strikethrough"
May 29 19:48:16 <leslie> yeah. I dunno if you've used HTML, but think like CSS borders
May 29 19:48:22 <john_doe_jr> readme: I couldn't get it to work but I was just about to debug
May 29 19:48:31 <readme> ah
May 29 19:48:35 <readme> yeah that's doable
May 29 19:48:42 <readme> i'll make more later tonight
May 29 19:49:02 <readme> file an issue on github if you want
May 29 19:49:05 <kadoban> or is there something else i need to do? i added internet permission, even though i don't think that's needed, not sure what else to try/do
May 29 19:49:10 <kadoban> sry
May 29 19:50:41 <ech0s7> hi
May 29 19:51:30 <ech0s7> why galaxy tab 10" has a density dpi of 240 ??
May 29 19:52:16 <ech0s7> how could i load on it drawable of xhdpi ?
May 29 19:53:23 <ixc> R.drawable.urdrawable
May 29 19:53:24 <ixc> :)
May 29 19:54:10 <ech0s7> what ixc ?
May 29 19:54:24 <ixc> i dont understand ur problem
May 29 19:54:36 <ixc> u have a id for ur drawable as R.drawable.filename
May 29 19:54:40 <ech0s7> no
May 29 19:54:41 <leslie> ech0s7: Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a DPI of 149, not 240, it's mdpi
May 29 19:54:56 <ech0s7> leslie, Galaxy Tab has 240dpi
May 29 19:55:00 <ixc> if u want use drawable that not depend on dpi, put them to -nodpi
May 29 19:55:12 <leslie> ech0s7: what model?
May 29 19:55:12 <ech0s7> leslie,  getWindowManager().getDefaultDisplay().getMetrics(metrics)
May 29 19:55:18 <canadiancow|work> the 10" is mdpi
May 29 19:55:20 <ech0s7> return DisplayMetrics.DENSITY_HIGH
May 29 19:56:35 <ech0s7> excuse me canadiancow|work and leslie
May 29 19:56:48 <g00s> i was reading about an LG 400+ ppi screen yesterday
May 29 19:56:49 <ech0s7> galaxy tab 10" has DENSITY_MEDIUM and SCREENLAYOUT_SIZE_UNDEFINED
May 29 19:57:14 <ech0s7> but it is different from a mdpi smartphone
May 29 19:57:23 <ixc> g00s: the 5" fullhd? :)
May 29 19:57:35 <ech0s7> how to make out the layout drawable resources?
May 29 19:57:36 <g00s> ixc: that could be it , don't remember :)
May 29 19:58:02 <leslie> ech0s7: just make one resource for each of l/m/h/xhdpi
May 29 19:58:14 <ech0s7> ls
May 29 19:58:21 <ech0s7> leslie, already done
May 29 19:58:28 <g00s> will we need xxhdpi soon :) ?
May 29 19:58:32 <leslie> what's the problem then?
May 29 19:58:52 <ech0s7> but if i run application on smartphone with a small display that has the same dpi (mdpi)
May 29 19:58:53 <ixc> g00s: vector graphics :)
May 29 19:59:04 <kadoban> i'm trying to load my app's activity to handle a specific URL scheme, does anyone see anything wrong with this intent filter? https://gist.github.com/e8f83aab6c439bfc156a i'm just getting no action at all happening when i load a URL like that from an NFC tag or otherwise. i've tried with and without the host, and http scheme or made up one
May 29 19:59:05 <ech0s7> android load the same resources
May 29 19:59:13 <ech0s7> and this is wrong
May 29 19:59:19 <leslie> well
May 29 19:59:22 <g00s> ixc: i use inkscape for all mine, yeah. but i would like to be able to provide the toolchain svgs instead
May 29 19:59:34 <leslie> you can make a directory called mdpi-xlarge, ech0s7
May 29 19:59:34 <ixc> yes
May 29 19:59:49 <wongk> ech0s7: it works for everyone else, why not you?
May 29 20:00:16 <ixc> i think work for he too, just he has problem with explain it :)
May 29 20:00:55 <leslie> I think it's more a case of just disliking that a screen with 149 dpi gets the same resources as one with 180 dpi. but it's really not a problem
May 29 20:01:04 <dragorn> kadoban: you shouldn't need the host part, I'd expect that to work for a testtest://... url yeah
May 29 20:01:23 <dragorn> kadoban: it's inside your activity definition?
May 29 20:01:24 <ech0s7> wongk, leslie compiling project i get invalid resource dir name
May 29 20:01:44 <leslie> ech0s7: did you name it drawable-mdpi-xlarge ?
May 29 20:01:49 <ech0s7> yes
May 29 20:01:52 <dragorn> kadoban: you can eliminate the nfc part by just making a web page with a testtest:// link in it and hitting it in the browser
May 29 20:01:53 <leslie> hmm
May 29 20:01:53 <ech0s7> drawable-mdpi-xlarge
May 29 20:02:01 <kadoban> dragorn: okay, thanks...yeah it's in the activity definition.  there's nothing i should need to do in code just to get my activity to start, right? or a setting on my phone that'd prevent it?
May 29 20:02:10 <leslie> I don't see why that wouldn't work
May 29 20:02:16 <ixc> xlarge-mdpi
May 29 20:02:24 <wongk> er, you can combine mpdi and xlarge like that?
May 29 20:02:35 <ech0s7> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/278026/Schermata%2005-2456077%20alle%2022.02.01.png
May 29 20:02:47 <kadoban> let me see if that works, i tried a link on my personal web page, not sure i tried just typing that in though
May 29 20:02:49 <leslie> wongk: something like that
May 29 20:02:59 <dragorn> kadoban: it should start the activity, tho unless you get the intent it won't do much.  I don't know of settings that would prevent it.
May 29 20:03:01 <everythingWorks> Any idea about this error when working with the facebook api? http://codepad.org/IMKrhb8g
May 29 20:03:04 <ixc> ech0s7: i think first xlarge then mdpi
May 29 20:03:40 <ech0s7> drawable-xlarge-mdpi compiles
May 29 20:04:12 <ech0s7> but galaxy tab 10" doesn't load them
May 29 20:04:16 <wongk> everythingWorks: Caused by: android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
May 29 20:04:27 <ech0s7> i have already clean the project
May 29 20:04:44 <everythingWorks> wongk: You think i should execute the whole thing in an own thread?
May 29 20:04:50 <kadoban> dragorn: k, thanks...good to know it should work, at least...not sure why it's not tho
May 29 20:04:59 <everythingWorks> thats what it suggessts , right?
May 29 20:05:01 <dragorn> everythingWorks: you have to run blocking io in its own thread
May 29 20:05:03 <wongk> everythingWorks: certainly
May 29 20:05:22 <dragorn> everythingWorks: "have to" for various definitions of "it will cause app not responding" to "newer android versions will just error, like this"
May 29 20:05:26 <mikedg> everythingWorks: youve been in here for like a year now
May 29 20:05:33 <mikedg> and you are still running into the most basic issues
May 29 20:05:40 <everythingWorks> o.o ehm no
May 29 20:05:48 <wongk> mikedg dissaproves
May 29 20:05:48 <everythingWorks> its still the first time i use the fb api
May 29 20:06:02 <mikedg> this has nothing to do with the facebook api
May 29 20:06:05 <everythingWorks> However, you can run io stuff on the main thread without getting an exc like this
May 29 20:06:06 <mikedg> it's basic threading
May 29 20:06:17 <everythingWorks> its fb-api special that this exc is thrown
May 29 20:06:18 <wongk> s/can/should not
May 29 20:06:25 <everythingWorks> done!
May 29 20:06:34 <wongk> it is not specific to the fb api
May 29 20:07:00 <everythingWorks> what is not specific?
May 29 20:07:04 <barbs> agreed. that's basic threading
May 29 20:07:07 <mikedg> the exception
May 29 20:07:08 <wongk> the error
May 29 20:07:25 <wongk> it's specific to access the network on the main thread
May 29 20:07:29 <barbs> any network calls should be done in another thread, one look at that error will tell you that
May 29 20:07:38 <barbs> android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
May 29 20:07:40 <dragorn> everythingWorks: It depends on the android version.  Android is trying to prevent sluggish apps and app not responding by detecting blocking io on the UI thread and throwing exceptions
May 29 20:08:05 <wongk> well done, android
May 29 20:08:08 <everythingWorks> yeah right, api level 11
May 29 20:08:32 <everythingWorks> This is probably why i've never heard of it :o
May 29 20:08:44 <everythingWorks> thanks dragorn ;)
May 29 20:08:56 <dragorn> Doing network IO on the main thread has always been a bad idea, now it punishes you for it
May 29 20:09:07 <everythingWorks> +1 :)
May 29 20:10:00 <wongk> mikedg does all his network IO on the main thread, he likes to be punished
May 29 20:11:41 <ixc> hm, bitmapfactory.decodefile is run on main thread, not start a async task, right?
May 29 20:11:59 <everythingWorks> (So i first thought it would be an fb exc, obv. ;) )
May 29 20:12:07 <readme> if you think it will cause your program to lag, then do it in an AsyncTask.
May 29 20:12:17 <readme> depends on how big the bitmap is
May 29 20:14:30 <ixc> readme: i just thinking about in adapter binds i use drawables for imageviews
May 29 20:14:59 <ixc> and basicly if its appear async is no prob
May 29 20:20:35 <ixc> oh good its not only in my head, http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/process-bitmap.html
May 29 20:21:38 <pragma-> JakeWharton: minor issue with forcing overflow, splitting the action bar when narrow and a longish text: http://imgbin.org/images/8216.png
May 29 20:22:15 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/475
May 29 20:22:26 <pragma-> would rather have "start logging" appear in the overflow menu since it doesn't really fit
May 29 20:22:56 <pragma-> but i'd like to to still appear on the actionbar if there's room on larger screens... so i don't want to remove the attribute
May 29 20:23:34 <pragma-> hrm.
May 29 20:23:47 <g00s> this is a framework bug ?
May 29 20:23:56 <pragma-> that's what jake's claiming
May 29 20:24:10 <g00s> wonders never cease
May 29 20:24:42 <pragma-> the actionbar looks great otherwise
May 29 20:24:59 <pragma-> tested on 3.2 and the sherlockpreferenceactivity is gorgeous
May 29 20:25:09 <birbeck> abs 4.1.0 is out? :)
May 29 20:25:20 <pragma-> i prefer honeycomb's preferences activity to ics's
May 29 20:26:55 <pragma-> not sure what an icon for "Start/stop logging" would look like :p
May 29 20:27:20 <wongk> a red and green ying yang ;)
May 29 20:27:53 <g00s> pragma-: maybe a mic with and without a slash through it, with a wifi rainbow around it
May 29 20:28:20 <g00s> or maybe just the tired tapedeck start / stop icons
May 29 20:29:03 <g00s> bummer, another botched kindle photograph book :(
May 29 20:29:24 <pragma-> do people even know what a tapedeck is anymore?
May 29 20:29:37 <canvs2321> similar to poopdeck?
May 29 20:29:44 <wongk> who wants to see my mixed tape collection
May 29 20:30:52 <canvs2321> do people even know what a phonograph is anymore?
May 29 20:31:28 <pragma-> Woman: "Honey, I'm pregnant!"  Man: "Shit, I knew I shouldn't have gone deeper."  -- CONCEPTION --
May 29 20:32:48 <g00s> "Last quarter, Research in Motion's backlog of unsold BlackBerry handsets and PlayBook tablets grew to more than $1 billion in value, underscoring the company's struggles to sell its products."  ooouch :O
May 29 20:33:15 <readme> pragma-: they don't know what a floppy looks like aeither
May 29 20:33:15 <pragma-> lol blackberry.
May 29 20:33:19 <readme> but we still use that
May 29 20:33:34 <pragma-> readme: maybe you should see a doctor about your floppy
May 29 20:33:51 <pragma-> they have pills for that!
May 29 20:33:56 <readme> i can't -- obama took away my health insurance
May 29 20:34:02 <pragma-> :o
May 29 20:34:04 <wongk> you figure rim would get the picture and slow down production :P
May 29 20:34:06 <readme> ;)
May 29 20:34:36 <wongk> RIM, the new palm
May 29 20:36:11 <Jeremyz> Could someone tell me how to embed a custom view inside of another one?  Like a UserControl or include.
May 29 20:37:38 <oGMo> wongk: fb should buy webos etc from hp for their new phone so they can appropriately market their device as the "facepalm"
May 29 20:37:42 <wongk> Jeremyz: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/02/android-layout-tricks-2-reusing-layouts.html
May 29 20:37:52 <readme> oGMo: haha
May 29 20:37:55 <readme> that is a good one
May 29 20:38:03 <Jeremyz> Thanks wongk
May 29 20:38:04 <wongk> nice
May 29 20:38:23 <g00s> oGMo: i thought hp was just open sourcing it? nothing to buy, right ?
May 29 20:38:38 <readme> it is open
May 29 20:38:40 <wongk> is fb really making a phone?
May 29 20:38:42 <oGMo> g00s: it doesn't really matter in the context of the joke :p
May 29 20:38:47 <readme> wongk: sadly
May 29 20:38:51 <wongk> oh jeez
May 29 20:39:09 <readme> i won't be using it. seeing as how I don't have a facebook.
May 29 20:39:11 <wongk> did they finally remove all the superfluous launcher icons from their android app?
May 29 20:39:20 <g00s> reading zuckerberg's motivation for a fb phone, if accurate, was a truly wtf moment
May 29 20:39:35 <readme> the truly sad part is that people will buy them
May 29 20:39:56 <Jeremyz> Wongk - What if I want to be able to reuse the code associated with the layout as well?
May 29 20:40:06 <wongk> fragments
May 29 20:40:06 <readme> then we will be interviewing for jobs, and people will ask "Oh, do you have facebook phone experience?"
May 29 20:40:20 * g00s thinks his app needs a phone too
May 29 20:40:26 <g00s> its own phone :D
May 29 20:40:46 <Jeremyz> Any way to do it with 2.2 framework?
May 29 20:40:57 <g00s> there was an article last week on making your own phone, its not too crazy :)
May 29 20:41:01 <wongk> fragments
May 29 20:41:04 <pragma-> g00s: what's his motivation?
May 29 20:41:15 <Jeremyz> "Android introduced fragments in Android 3.0"
May 29 20:41:15 <pragma-> by the way, zuckerberg totally walks like a girl
May 29 20:41:29 <readme> Jeremyz: lrn2support library
May 29 20:41:31 <wongk> Jeremyz: check out the support library
May 29 20:42:02 <Jeremyz> Thanks
May 29 20:42:10 <pragma-> see 0:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5dcODUcfT6Q
May 29 20:42:39 <g00s> pragma-: "A Facebook employee indicated that Zuckerberg is "worried" that, without a phone, Facebook could be relegated to simply being an app."
May 29 20:42:47 <pragma-> see mark sashaying, wiggling his butt and swining his arms like a girl
May 29 20:42:52 <g00s> uh, well it is just an app :)
May 29 20:42:52 <pragma-> swinging
May 29 20:43:07 <pragma-> its a website
May 29 20:43:23 <readme> next he needs to team up with elon musk --- spacebook
May 29 20:44:19 <Jagdos> Maybe they should start out by creating an android app with a higher score than 3.6..
May 29 20:46:21 <g00s> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/05/next-step-in-chrome-os-journey.html
May 29 20:46:57 <pragma-> 18 tons of greek yogurt spilled out on an upstate new york highway after the truck crashed
May 29 20:47:27 <g00s> that will reek
May 29 20:47:31 <pragma-> according to time magazine, 51% of young adults think facebook is a fad
May 29 20:47:31 <birbeck> get your spoons out
May 29 20:48:23 <birbeck> haiku os ftw
May 29 20:48:42 <wongk> HaikuOS ... i'd buy it
May 29 20:48:50 <wHiTeHaT44> what is a fad?
May 29 20:49:02 <birbeck> our cto was one of the founders of BeOS
May 29 20:49:21 <wongk> i installed that for a day or so
May 29 20:49:34 <wongk> in 1998
May 29 20:49:35 <birbeck> i think the only reason they hired me was cause i was such a fan of his and we chatted for an hour instead of interviewing
May 29 20:49:52 <wongk> well played
May 29 20:49:56 <birbeck> :)
May 29 20:49:59 <readme> what company
May 29 20:50:10 <birbeck> BOKU
May 29 20:50:22 <birbeck> im not yelling, thats the name, its in all caps
May 29 20:50:34 <hkhalid> birbeck, if beos wasnt greedy and not saying he had steve by the balls, that would have been osx using beos instead of next
May 29 20:50:36 <wongk> like DIRECTV
May 29 20:50:47 <readme> more companies should do all caps
May 29 20:50:55 <wongk> FACEBOOK
May 29 20:50:59 <birbeck> hkhalid: and in that case i would have been an os x fanboy today
May 29 20:51:02 <F1rstAid> :D
May 29 20:51:03 <hkhalid> birbeck,  i read thje steve jobs recent book, it said he had steve by the balls in a business position
May 29 20:51:27 <hkhalid> birbeck, congrats oin the job though
May 29 20:51:40 <readme> wongk: I sometimes think people at the top of the intellectual food chain deliberately disseminate ways for idiots to identify themselves so they can be avoided
May 29 20:51:46 <readme> I think caps lock is an example of this
May 29 20:51:54 <g00s> pragma-: but this comment is interesting "Facebook is a platform company without a mobile platform in a world becoming increasingly mobile."
May 29 20:51:54 <birbeck> hkhalid: however, the story i heard is that they wanted steve which would only come with next, so any price for beos was too high
May 29 20:51:57 <wHiTeHaT44> if he could do that again, he could stick them in his pocket
May 29 20:52:03 <hkhalid> readme, have you heard of fnord lol
May 29 20:52:29 <hkhalid> birbeck, ah
May 29 20:52:47 <wongk> readme: I DON'T UNDERSTAND
May 29 20:53:01 <readme> hkhalid: I hadn't looked at this for a while, but I don't think I appreciated it then.. but I do now :)
May 29 20:53:14 <birbeck> hkhalid: and they paid like 10x more for next than they would have for be
May 29 20:53:19 <readme> wongk: lady gaga is on facebook
May 29 20:53:23 <readme> go check it out
May 29 20:53:26 <wongk> !!1
May 29 20:53:48 <hkhalid> readme,  np, not sure if you are familiar with metaphysics of those books, nice to meet you, same with you birbeck
May 29 20:54:11 <readme> hkhalid: i think i might go check the library for it today
May 29 20:54:31 <hkhalid> readme, do you know nick bostrom
May 29 20:54:50 <readme> I'll check him out
May 29 20:56:43 <birbeck> those new chromebooks and chrome os actually look kinda cool
May 29 20:56:53 <birbeck> if only they could run eclipse... or ubuntu
May 29 20:57:40 <wongk> vmware for chromeos ;)
May 29 20:58:01 <birbeck> chrome remote desktop beta
May 29 20:58:19 <birbeck> might try setting up a vpn when i get the update
May 29 21:00:30 * readme to the library!
May 29 21:01:39 <john_doe_jr> readme: hey, I'm using your class that you made and it underlines the entire span in a blue line...did you code that in your class b/c I don't see it
May 29 21:03:18 <hkhalid> wongk, how do you run chromeos? do you use lime/vanilla?
May 29 21:04:18 <g00s> what do you guys think of this comment on HN ? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4039695
May 29 21:04:57 <hkhalid> this explains more of the point of even having dalviik
May 29 21:05:15 <hkhalid> I cant wait to get a boot2gecko phone
May 29 21:05:45 <Drakonite> g00s: google has made no effort to hide their view that web based apps are the future
May 29 21:05:46 <hkhalid> a chromeOS phone
May 29 21:05:56 <hkhalid> thats what I want
May 29 21:05:58 <komugi> not going to happen until those cellphone providers stop bsing with caps
May 29 21:06:22 <Drakonite> however some people have been saying it for over a decade but consumers are making it clear they do not consider that the future
May 29 21:06:53 <hkhalid> who gives a shit about the consumers, just make it first, or at lest demo it
May 29 21:06:53 <komugi> i think cloud is fine as long as you don't have a gate keeper like AT&T/Verizon
May 29 21:06:56 <g00s> well, the problem also comes when your phone isn't updated much, and you are stuck with a browser of  questionable HTML5 capabilities for 2 years straight
May 29 21:07:09 <g00s> kinda puts the damper on mobile web
May 29 21:07:25 <hkhalid> g00s, have you used boot2gecko
May 29 21:07:33 <g00s> hkhalid: no, i have not
May 29 21:10:36 <g00s> i was messing with chrome://flags and really fucked things up good :)
May 29 21:12:43 <f00bar80> Anybody knows why youtube embeded videos cannot be played using the webview ? ? based on this code , >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5817805/how-can-we-play-youtube-embeded-code-in-android-application-using-webview
May 29 21:14:04 <xa0c> Is there a way to display preferences as a View, not using PreferencesActivity?
May 29 21:14:20 <evancharlton> of course
May 29 21:14:26 <evancharlton> just write to SharedPreferences yourself
May 29 21:14:52 <xa0c> ...and full UI?
May 29 21:15:38 <ctate> note also the existence of PreferenceFragement
May 29 21:15:45 <ctate> *PreferenceFragment
May 29 21:16:15 <xa0c> fragment? sounds like high api version :)
May 29 21:16:46 <ctate> support libs are yor frend
May 29 21:16:51 <canadiancow|work> ohai ctate
May 29 21:17:05 <Timmaah1201> I want to have a simple progress wheel whilst I download a 20kb file as the application opens. Lots of examples seem to point me to running separate threads and using asynctask but is that overkill?
May 29 21:17:10 <canadiancow|work> ctate does support lib support PFrag?
May 29 21:17:14 <Timmaah1201> it shouldnt take more than 1-2 seconds to download
May 29 21:17:21 <ctate> canadiancow|work: actually that is a good question
May 29 21:17:26 <canadiancow|work> it does not
May 29 21:17:33 <ctate> bah
May 29 21:17:37 <xa0c> checked: "Since: API Level 11". I need it for 8.
May 29 21:17:38 <canadiancow|work> i usually just use one xml file and load it into a prefact and preffrag
May 29 21:17:42 <Drakonite> ctate: did you see the responses in that bug you asked me to submit?
May 29 21:17:45 <canadiancow|work> depending on what OS im on
May 29 21:18:06 <ctate> Drakonite: sorry no
May 29 21:18:21 <evancharlton> Timmaah1201: yes, you need to use a thread. I would recommend AsyncTask.
May 29 21:18:24 <readme> I use the technique from this: https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-android/tree/master/Prefs/FragmentsBC
May 29 21:18:28 <hkhalid> g00s, do you think b2g is the fture
May 29 21:18:28 <Drakonite> ctate: basic response I got was "do it yourself"
May 29 21:18:36 <ctate> sigh
May 29 21:18:38 <readme> for backward compatibility and using preferenceFragment
May 29 21:18:45 <g00s> hkhalid: i have absolutely no idea :)
May 29 21:19:05 <g00s> doesn't abs have a freferenceragment ?
May 29 21:19:08 <canadiancow|work> readme that looks like what im using
May 29 21:19:22 <evancharlton> g00s: freferenceragment ?
May 29 21:19:23 <evancharlton> :P
May 29 21:19:25 <g00s> :P
May 29 21:19:38 <g00s> hehe
May 29 21:19:39 <Drakonite> ctate: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=29895  if you want to check it out again.  I didn't expect a better response; I haven't been seeing useful responses to other bugs.
May 29 21:19:55 <g00s> spelling failailail
May 29 21:20:01 <readme> f'n fragments.. how do they work?
May 29 21:20:33 <xa0c> I cant use "<ControlName>Preference" views in simple activity's layout. So, how I could display prefs than? Write all UI using standard controls and handle all events manually?
May 29 21:20:53 <ctate> Drakonite: bringing up and verifying a 4.5 toolchain would be a *lot* of work
May 29 21:21:09 <g00s> readme: they are just objects that hook into the activity lifecycle. they can provide a view for ui; they are not recusrive like viewgroups, and not contexts like activities
May 29 21:21:22 <Jeremyz> After adding the android support SDK, creating a fragment and including it in my layout I keep getting 'Error inflating class fragment' on the <fragment> control in my layout.  Is there a step I missed?
May 29 21:21:26 <ctate> it's not so much the bringup that's a mess; it's verifying that it builds correctly and that the result runs correctly on all combinations of host + target architectures that we have to support
May 29 21:21:38 <Drakonite> ctate: I disagree.  It would be substantially less work than 4.6 yet bring up a large number of the same fixes.
May 29 21:22:16 <ctate> at the cost of getting even more behind w.r.t. moving up to 4.7+  :(
May 29 21:22:40 <ctate> i'm not saying it doesn't suck for you, but i can see that there are at least some valid reasons not to bother with 4.5
May 29 21:23:33 <Drakonite> I'd rather have a working toolchain now than wait another year (or more?)
May 29 21:24:15 <Drakonite> you can build it and label it as an experimental / unsupported ndk release for all I care, eliminating a big chunk of the testing
May 29 21:24:18 <g00s> Drakonite: could you write the inline in assembly ?
May 29 21:24:27 <g00s> is it simple enough ?
May 29 21:24:54 <Drakonite> that being said, I'm not going to push it anymore as it isn't worth the effort; like I said almost every issue I've ever looked at on that site has gone unfixed
May 29 21:25:00 <Drakonite> g00s: no, that isn't how inline works
May 29 21:25:25 <g00s> yeah, what was i thinking
May 29 21:25:30 <Drakonite> you'd have to copy/paste the code all over the place essentially, which gets to be very messy and defeats the point
May 29 21:27:35 <g00s> but really, without benchmarking inline functions its hard to even know if they help, since they often mess with locality of reference.
May 29 21:27:50 <bluezone> test
May 29 21:29:25 <hkhalid> is it possible to listen for phone calls just like you can with sms', where if a phone call comes, you can have it decline the call and send a txt message out via smsmanager
May 29 21:30:53 <rgvneil> hello
May 29 21:32:05 * g00s imagines Drakonite shaking his head
May 29 21:32:26 <Zharf> hkhalid, http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/processing-ordered-broadcasts.html
May 29 21:33:12 <rgvneil> Has anyone here used JDBC successfully with Android?
May 29 21:33:47 <hkhalid> thanks Zharf !
May 29 21:36:29 <sleepster> I have the original samsung galaxy s using 2.3.6. Is there a way to test the latest v4 OS on my phone?
May 29 21:36:37 <Timmaah1201> evancharlton: Do I need to explicitly define an onProgressUpdate() and onPostExecute() ?
May 29 21:39:25 <saintrafter> Hello i am trying to stream a live video stream from my server to my android phone using rtsp. none of the code i found on the net worked. i downloaded an app from google play called rtsp viewer and it worked with my stream. can anyone help me?
May 29 21:44:09 <Jeremyz> Do I have to register fragments in the Manifest or something?  I have an empty fragment with just an onCreateView() method, but keep getting an error trying to inflate it.
May 29 21:45:04 <saintrafter_> damn lost network... Hello i am trying to stream a live video stream from my server to my android phone using rtsp. none of the code i found on the net worked. i downloaded an app from google play called rtsp viewer and it worked with my stream. can anyone help me?
May 29 21:50:13 <birbeck> Jeremyz: no, fragments do not go in the manifest file
May 29 21:50:42 <birbeck> Jeremyz: need to see the xml or java which is loading the fragment to help at all
May 29 21:51:47 <Timmaah1201> how does one place a progressbar in the application header? The place which usually has the app name?
May 29 21:52:46 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: in my app i just have a state list drawable in my layout
May 29 21:52:56 <birbeck> its not a part of the title bar or action bar
May 29 21:53:53 <Jeremyz> Birbeck - http://shorttext.com/VVsCRpM  http://shorttext.com/aDYtYc6
May 29 21:54:05 <Jeremyz> There's the view and fragment
May 29 21:54:27 <leslie> Jeremyz: what was the error you got?
May 29 21:55:02 <Timmaah1201> ah k thanks
May 29 21:55:09 <Drakonite> g00s: sorry, had a phone call
May 29 21:55:14 <Timmaah1201> does anyone know why my progress bar seems to just continue and never cease? http://pastebin.com/ZPkQU7cF
May 29 21:55:47 <leslie> Timmaah1201: because you made it indeterminate?
May 29 21:56:04 <f00bar80> ppl any comment ?
May 29 21:56:14 <Drakonite> g00s: it's a valid comment, most people how no frakking clue about inlining and when to use it.  Particularly on CPUs with small i-cache, too much inline can be bad.  The bug in question prevents the compiler from picking good inline spots where they are obviously good as well though
May 29 21:56:16 <Jeremyz> leslie - "05-29 16:55:48.163: E/AndroidRuntime(15220): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.believersresource.passages/com.believersresource.passages.PassageActivity}: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #22: Error inflating class fragment"
May 29 21:56:29 <leslie> hmm
May 29 21:56:32 <Drakonite> g00s: and for what it's worth... the inline directive is only a hint, compilers are free to ignore it if they please
May 29 21:56:38 <Timmaah1201> leslie: ya, was testing around.. changed it so deleted that line in the .xml and made it Window.Feature_Progress but its doing the same thing
May 29 21:57:19 <Drakonite> g00s: that being said... my framework uses inlines (and pragma/attribute for forcing inlines) to cause some folding that actually reduces code size by a fair amount
May 29 21:57:53 <chrizc> I have an Action Bar with tabs on it - how do I get the Fragment of the currently selected Tab? I have as far as actionbar.getSelectedTab() but that does not take me any closer to the current fragment?
May 29 21:58:05 <Jeremyz> leslie/birbeck - Here is line 22 that it's complaining about. http://shorttext.com/xIbOnG
May 29 21:58:44 <birbeck> Jeremyz: class, not android:name
May 29 22:01:32 <Jeremyz> birbeck - Odd all the examples I saw had android:name and the compiler accepts it.  I just switched it to class instead, but I still get the same error.  Perhaps they are interchangeable?
May 29 22:03:40 <birbeck> Jeremyz: did you do android:class or class. It should be just class
May 29 22:04:22 <birbeck> but that error points to there being a issue in the fragment layout, i believe
May 29 22:04:52 <Jeremyz> birbeck - I have <fragment class="com.believersresource.passages.RelatedTopicsFragment" ...
May 29 22:05:06 <Jeremyz> Which returns the same error as with android:name
May 29 22:05:09 <chrizc> anybody? how to get the current fragment of the currently selected ActionBar tab?
May 29 22:05:44 <Jeremyz> Here's the fragment layout again: http://shorttext.com/VVsCRpM
May 29 22:06:12 <Sleepybear> What error are you getting, exactly Jeremyz?
May 29 22:06:33 <Jeremyz> Sleepybear - 05-29 16:55:48.163: E/AndroidRuntime(15220): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.believersresource.passages/com.believersresource.passages.PassageActivity}: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #22: Error inflating class fragment
May 29 22:07:00 <Sleepybear> so there must be some sort of error in your fragment layout or code
May 29 22:07:31 <Jeremyz> Fragment layout: http://shorttext.com/xIbOnG  Code: http://shorttext.com/aDYtYc6
May 29 22:07:53 <Jeremyz> Do I need to adjust my framework version?  I'm using the support package and min framework of 8 currently.
May 29 22:08:25 <Sleepybear> as long as you're importing the right things
May 29 22:08:27 <Sleepybear> that should be fine
May 29 22:08:56 <Sleepybear> try a clean build after changing it to be class= instead of android:name=
May 29 22:09:14 <Jeremyz> I copied 'android-support-v13.jar' to the /lib folder and added it to the build path.
May 29 22:09:58 <Jeremyz> How do I do a clean build from Eclipse?  I've just been using the run button which seems to recompile it each time.
May 29 22:10:08 <Timmaah1201> do you set the progressbar within the asynctask? Or in the .xml of the UI-activity that will be displaying it?
May 29 22:10:16 <Sleepybear> Jeremyz project->clean
May 29 22:11:07 <Sleepybear> Timmaah1201 Use the built in progress bar in the title bar
May 29 22:11:21 <Sleepybear> I think it's setIndeterminiteProgressVisibility()
May 29 22:11:31 <Sleepybear> after you request the window feature
May 29 22:11:55 <Timmaah1201> i need to call that in the UI-activity, right?
May 29 22:12:29 <birbeck> Jeremyz: you want support v4
May 29 22:13:34 <birbeck> also, eclipse will automatically pickup jars from the libs folder in your project folder, you should use that instead of lib
May 29 22:14:02 <Sleepybear> Timmaah1201 yea, or pass the context to the asynctask
May 29 22:14:13 <Jeremyz> Sorry guys, I'm having some problems doing the clean that I'm working on.  I'm getting permission denied trying to delete the /bin/res folder even though I'm admin.
May 29 22:14:29 <Sleepybear> did you run eclipse as admin?
May 29 22:14:29 <Jeremyz> I don't think I need v4 support.
May 29 22:14:33 <Sleepybear> and yea
May 29 22:14:37 <Sleepybear> you do need v4 support
May 29 22:14:46 <birbeck> you need support v4 for 2.x+
May 29 22:14:53 <Jeremyz> good point sleepybear.  That's probably it.
May 29 22:15:17 <Sleepybear> not sure why you put your workspace in a spot that admin is required
May 29 22:15:17 <Jeremyz> Are you talking about the min framework birbeck?  Switch it from 8 to 4?
May 29 22:15:24 <Sleepybear> no
May 29 22:15:30 <Sleepybear> you need support-v4.jar
May 29 22:15:37 <Sleepybear> for 2.x support
May 29 22:15:47 <Jeremyz> OH!  That's probably it.  I grabbed 13
May 29 22:16:56 <Timmaah1201> Sleepybear, that doesnt seem to exist but setProgressVisibility(true/false) does but it doesnt seem to work
May 29 22:17:10 <birbeck> keep minSdk as 8 if that is the minimum version you support, but you must use support-v4 instead of support-v13 if you need support for 2.x+
May 29 22:17:23 <birbeck> support-v13 is only for 3.x+
May 29 22:17:35 <hkhalid> birbeck,  do you like wearable computing
May 29 22:17:49 <birbeck> hkhalid: hmm i dunno
May 29 22:18:02 <birbeck> wimm contacted me about working with them for launch, but i passed
May 29 22:18:09 <birbeck> never tried one however
May 29 22:18:20 <Sleepybear> Timmaah1201 you have to request the window feature first
May 29 22:18:48 <Timmaah1201> I've got the following in my onCreate():   requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_INDETERMINATE_PROGRESS);
May 29 22:18:58 <Timmaah1201> and then after the setProgressBarVisibility(true);
May 29 22:19:08 <Sleepybear> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility(boolean)
May 29 22:19:10 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: is that betfore setContentView
May 29 22:19:20 <Timmaah1201> yep birbeck
May 29 22:19:26 <Sleepybear> setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility()
May 29 22:22:14 <ninjai> anyone ever used DateFormat.getDateTimeInstance().format(new Date()); and stuck it in a database and attempted to organize by it?
May 29 22:22:29 <ninjai> My SQL queries are screwy because it's not a SQL date format I don't think :(
May 29 22:22:41 <Timmaah1201> not seem to be working, doesnt it make a difference that the activity is in a different thread to the UI one?
May 29 22:23:16 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: you cannot alter the ui from any thread other than the foreground
May 29 22:23:39 <birbeck> ninjai: you are using mysql in an android app?
May 29 22:23:52 <Timmaah1201> right.. so atm I'm calling the asynctask.execute() from the UI thread
May 29 22:24:33 <ninjai> sqlite :P
May 29 22:24:43 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: you need to call setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility() in onPreExecute() and onPostExecute()
May 29 22:25:00 <Jeremyz> Ok. I'm back at it now.  The problem with cleaning the project was the files were in use by a grep program I had running.  I've grabbed the v4 support package instead of v13.  Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same error.
May 29 22:25:22 <birbeck> ninjai: i would store the date as numeric Date.getTime(), and sort on that
May 29 22:25:41 <ninjai> birbeck, thanks for the suggestion :)
May 29 22:25:44 <birbeck> ninjai: do the formatting on demand
May 29 22:26:03 <Timmaah1201> ok, thanks i'll give that a try, do I also need to call setProgressBarVisibility()? or just one?
May 29 22:26:38 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: experiment, i havent used that in ages
May 29 22:27:10 <Timmaah1201> k :) The issue with defining it in onPreExecute() in the asynctask.. is that it doesnt extend activity
May 29 22:27:14 <Timmaah1201> so it doesnt have those methods
May 29 22:27:32 <chrizc> using a viewpager - how do I get the titles to show up in that stylish fashion á lá the Play Store?
May 29 22:27:43 <birbeck> MyActivity.this.setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility()
May 29 22:28:06 <birbeck> Timmaah1201: better yet, pass the activity to the asynctask constructor and make it private static
May 29 22:28:29 <Timmaah1201> ok, thanks :)
May 29 22:32:58 <dlaroche> I have a RelativeLayout that I want the background color to flash from one color to another repeatedly. What would be the best approach?
May 29 22:33:29 <Jeremyz> Any other suggestions for me guys?  After clean and grabbing v4 support package, I still get the same error about inflating the fragment.
May 29 22:35:18 * ctate |  I have a RelativeLayout that I want the background color to flash from one color to another repeatedly. What would be the best approach?
May 29 22:35:20 <birbeck> Jeremyz: sorry, it looks alright... did you clean after loading the new jar? have you tried restarting eclipse?
May 29 22:35:26 <ctate> don't you *like* your customers?  ;)
May 29 22:35:53 <Jeremyz> Yeah, I've cleaned a couple of times now and restarted eclipse after loading the right jar
May 29 22:35:53 <g00s> ctate: maybe this is to induce epileptic seizures :)
May 29 22:35:55 <birbeck> ctate: hmm, there are some flashlight apps that do that
May 29 22:36:50 <ctate> easy enough to just post a callback that (a) sets the background, and (b) reposts the callback after hte desired delay; lather rinse repeat
May 29 22:39:28 <Jeremyz> Any restrictions on what the parent element has to be for a fragment?  I have it in a LinearLayout.
May 29 22:39:46 <evancharlton> no
May 29 22:39:58 <evancharlton> what's the error you're getting? Did you post a stack trace anywhere?
May 29 22:40:38 <Timmaah1201> so got progress bar in the title bar.. just need to figure out how to make it stop now!
May 29 22:41:42 <chrizc> erm - trying to work with ViewPagerIndicator and all Eclipse is doing is whining about how there's a buttload of @Overrides that shouldn't be there - and it won't build my project because of it. how the hell do I fix?
May 29 22:42:31 <pragma-> chrizc: ditch eclipse.
May 29 22:42:43 <pragma-> its a shame the d.android.com docs keep mentioning eclipse.
May 29 22:42:52 <doogan> sounds like that could be incorrect imports
May 29 22:42:55 <chrizc> pragma-; I would but /eeeeeeevery/ single Android tutorial, plugin or anything useful relating to Android is made for Eclipse.
May 29 22:43:03 <chrizc> I'm a Netbeans user myself
May 29 22:43:22 <chrizc> doogan; nothing to do with imports
May 29 22:43:55 <Jeremyz> Further down in the error stack I found this:  05-29 22:23:09.223: E/AndroidRuntime(535): Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.believersresource.passages.RelatedTopicsFragment
May 29 22:43:55 * chrizc pings JakeWharton out of desparation
May 29 22:43:57 <readme> chrizc: learn to build on the command line
May 29 22:44:04 <Jeremyz> That class definitely exists though
May 29 22:44:06 <JakeWharton> wut
May 29 22:44:10 <chrizc> readme... how does that fix source errors?
May 29 22:44:22 <JakeWharton> chrizc: use JDK 1.6 compliance
May 29 22:44:27 <readme> chrizc: what source errors?
May 29 22:44:28 <chrizc> .-.
May 29 22:44:31 <chrizc> hang on
May 29 22:44:43 <readme> chrizc: I'm curious of what eclipse specific info you have been finding in the tutorials
May 29 22:44:49 <ctate> chrizc: sounds lik eyou aren't using java 1.6
May 29 22:44:53 <readme> beyond hello world
May 29 22:44:56 <chrizc> god damn, why doesn't it automatically select java 1.6
May 29 22:44:58 * chrizc facepalms
May 29 22:45:05 <ctate> yeah that's pretty weird
May 29 22:45:16 <chrizc> readme; well, you know, the android plugin was created for Eclipse
May 29 22:45:21 <readme> it might be an eclipse preference
May 29 22:45:26 <chrizc> and a lot of tutorials say "This is written with Eclipse in mind"
May 29 22:45:27 <chrizc> blah blah blah
May 29 22:45:39 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: post a comprehensive logcat dump on pastebin.com.
May 29 22:45:46 <readme> chrizc: eh, you can do everything without eclipse
May 29 22:45:59 <readme> if you get stuck just ask here
May 29 22:46:05 <readme> btw i'm no eclipse hater, I actually prefer it
May 29 22:46:05 <chrizc> I tried with netbeans but my god was it awkward, hacky and arse-about-face.
May 29 22:46:14 <chrizc> Unfortunately, Eclipse is a lot easier for Android development.
May 29 22:46:21 <chrizc> I still use NB for my other projects, though. >:3
May 29 22:46:29 <readme> I didn't say you could easily use netbeans, just that you could easily forego eclipse :)
May 29 22:46:55 <chrizc> errrm
May 29 22:46:55 <chrizc> 05-29 23:46:07.024: E/AndroidRuntime(21453): Caused by: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #9: Error inflating class com.viewpagerindicator.TitlePageIndicator
May 29 22:47:00 <readme> IMO eclipse is the best IDE for android dev
May 29 22:47:27 <chrizc> http://pastie.org/3991791 <- that's what it is whining about
May 29 22:47:39 <readme> chrizc: did you link to it?
May 29 22:47:52 <readme> right click your project->android and add viewpagerindicator under library projects/
May 29 22:47:56 <chrizc> readme; what do you mean?
May 29 22:47:59 <chrizc> erm, hang on
May 29 22:48:03 <evancharlton> chrizc: paste your actual stack trace
May 29 22:48:17 <chrizc> me derp
May 29 22:49:06 <chrizc> o.o erm, okay, it's kinda working, but it doesn't actually show any titles
May 29 22:49:09 * chrizc plays around some more
May 29 22:49:10 <chrizc> thanks guys
May 29 22:51:02 <Jeremyz> evancharlton - here's the log dump  http://pastebin.com/ZVMEnaGw
May 29 22:51:27 <Timmaah1201> thanks for all those who helped me out, finally got it working now! :)
May 29 22:52:03 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: 05-29 22:47:35.253: E/AndroidRuntime(689): Caused by: android.app.Fragment$InstantiationException: Unable to instantiate fragment com.believersresource.passages.RelatedTopicsFragment: make sure class name exists, is public, and has an empty constructor that is public
May 29 22:52:08 <Jeremyz> evan - I should add that I did rename the project at one point from "com.believersresource" to "com.believersresource.passages"
May 29 22:52:09 <evancharlton> read that
May 29 22:52:33 <Jeremyz> Yeah, I see that, but the class definitely does exist.  It's inheriting the default constructor, but I also tried manually setting one.
May 29 22:52:54 <Jeremyz> And it's public.
May 29 22:53:07 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: paste your source, please. is the package name correct?
May 29 22:53:18 <evancharlton> the source to the fragment, trimmed down if you wish
May 29 22:53:20 <Jeremyz> Source - http://shorttext.com/rRT5waJ
May 29 22:53:31 <Jeremyz> yes, the package name is correct
May 29 22:54:14 <Jeremyz> I checked the spelling about a dozen times and copy and pasted both the package and class name into the <fragment> class.
May 29 22:54:32 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: can you paste the log during the time of installation?
May 29 22:55:30 <Jeremyz> You lost me on that one evan
May 29 22:57:29 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: install the app, copy the log from around that time, put it on pastebin.com
May 29 23:00:58 <readme> Jeremyz: use android:name in your <fragment> instead of class=
May 29 23:01:14 <readme> android:name="com.believersresource.passages.RelatedTopicsFragment"
May 29 23:05:04 <Jeremyz> Here's the install log - http://pastebin.com/qAtjg7gN
May 29 23:05:21 <readme> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/fragments.html <-- see here "android:name" is used
May 29 23:05:30 <Jeremyz> I had android:name before and others asked me to change it to class. I'll change it back, but neither one seems to make a difference.
May 29 23:05:45 <readme> interesting
May 29 23:05:55 <Jeremyz> The error messages insist that class doesn't exist.
May 29 23:06:16 <readme> other places in there class= is used
May 29 23:06:24 <readme> I wonder what the difference is here, if any
May 29 23:06:38 <readme> i've personally been using "android:name"
May 29 23:06:58 <Jeremyz> They appear to be interchangable.
May 29 23:07:27 <Jeremyz> I noticed this line in the log: 05-29 22:47:35.202: W/dalvikvm(689): Unable to resolve superclass of Lcom/believersresource/passages/RelatedTopicsFragment; (13)
May 29 23:08:12 <readme> does this occur always, or do you have to build a specific way for it to occur
May 29 23:08:31 <Jeremyz> Always
May 29 23:09:03 <readme> does it occur on 4.0, or only on 2.x devices?
May 29 23:09:04 <Jeremyz> The root problem is that class doesn't appear to exist at runtime.  Although the compiler seems to see it just fine
May 29 23:09:09 <pragma-> JakeWharton: how is the issue I described earlier on 2.x with the split actionbar when narrow and long text a framework issue if the framework doesn't even support the actionbar on that platform in the first place?  it behaves as expected on 3.x and 4.x.
May 29 23:09:14 <readme> are you sure the compat lib is in your build path, Jeremyz ?
May 29 23:09:17 <ctate> Jeremyz: what is the superclass?
May 29 23:09:20 <Jeremyz> I haven't tried on any 4.0 devices
May 29 23:09:30 <readme> Fragment
May 29 23:09:32 <readme> is the superclass
May 29 23:09:53 <Jeremyz> yeah
May 29 23:10:06 <Jeremyz> android-support-v4.jar is in the java build path.
May 29 23:10:14 <ctate> so you're building against API level 11+ but running on a device that is running something earlier
May 29 23:10:21 <JakeWharton> pragma-: because the code is exactly the same as that of ICS and the bug appears on ICS as well
May 29 23:10:22 <Jeremyz> and again, there's no problems building, just running.
May 29 23:10:25 <ctate> without using the support libs [successfully]
May 29 23:10:35 <JakeWharton> i can't fix a bug that happens on ICS in ABS
May 29 23:10:43 <Jeremyz> I have the min framework set to 8 and am including the support apis in order to use Fragments
May 29 23:10:50 <pragma-> JakeWharton: ICS doesn't display the overflow button, though
May 29 23:11:11 <JakeWharton> maybe not on your emulator it doesn't
May 29 23:11:16 <Jeremyz> 2.2 is the platform I'm targeting.
May 29 23:11:17 <pragma-> no, not on the emulator.
May 29 23:11:25 <pragma-> don't have an actual ICS device yet
May 29 23:11:28 <evancharlton> Jeremyz: hm, no dex errors on install, so there goes that theory..
May 29 23:12:01 <pragma-> the emulator is a pain in the butt too when it decides not to redraw the ui sometimes
May 29 23:12:14 <pragma-> have to hit back and home and back and settings and home and back to get it to refresh the ui
May 29 23:12:19 <Jeremyz> Look at line 4&5 here.  That seems to be the root issue.  http://pastebin.com/ZVMEnaGw
May 29 23:14:11 <pragma-> pain in the ass that android keeps changing how we're supposed to draw our icons
May 29 23:14:16 * pragma- goes text-only.
May 29 23:14:27 <SimonVT>  You can always make an emulator without menu button
May 29 23:14:30 <readme> JakeWharton: thanks for this one http://stackoverflow.com/a/9021487/615740
May 29 23:14:41 <readme> In the comments, someone attached a build that incorporates your patch
May 29 23:14:54 <readme> I had to use that build with the latest abs to avoid the bug
May 29 23:15:00 <JakeWharton> hmmm
May 29 23:15:03 <ninjai> im using achartengine and I have 2 buttons.  Each button generates a different chart.  Each method that makes each chart uses the same variable (mChartView, which is a GraphicalView).  When I press each button I tried using myLayout.removeView(mChartView) and it doesn't work, and I cannot re-add the view with my buttons
May 29 23:15:03 <pragma-> SimonVT: snap, thanks for reminding me
May 29 23:15:05 <JakeWharton> i thought it made it into the latest support lib
May 29 23:15:19 <pragma-> JakeWharton: actually, i do have an emulator without menu buttons and the overflow does appear in that case, but it is rendered properly
May 29 23:15:22 <readme> oh, I was using the support lib that was bundled with abs
May 29 23:15:25 <pragma-> for 4.0.3
May 29 23:15:26 <readme> maybe I shouldn't do that
May 29 23:15:28 <JakeWharton> the changeset was merged. if it's not in the current one it'll be in the next one
May 29 23:15:52 * pragma- takes pics to prove it happened.
May 29 23:16:31 <SimonVT> pics or gtfo ;d
May 29 23:17:36 <g00s> when did acl 8 come out ?
May 29 23:18:14 <g00s> april 2012, huh
May 29 23:18:28 <SimonVT> shortly after acl7 I think
May 29 23:22:33 <pragma-> JakeWharton: hrm, I'm mistaken, apparently.
May 29 23:23:06 <g00s> can't really tell if acl 8 fixed that context menu bug for fragments
May 29 23:23:13 <JakeWharton> look at the source
May 29 23:23:21 <SimonVT> I doubt it
May 29 23:23:21 <JakeWharton> or fix it yourself and DGAF about updates :)
May 29 23:23:22 <g00s> yeah, when i get the time
May 29 23:23:35 <JakeWharton> i maintain my own fork
May 29 23:23:41 <JakeWharton> so much easier
May 29 23:25:01 <pragma-> http://imgbin.org/images/8222.png -- ics on emulator, "start logging" overlays its bounds with the overflow button :(
May 29 23:25:44 <SimonVT> Yeah, action bar doesn't like action items without icons
May 29 23:25:47 <SimonVT> Fucks up
May 29 23:26:03 <chrizc> why am I getting a random NPE in onSaveInstanceState in a SherlockFragmentActivity? All I'm doing is called super.onSaveInstanceState.... now my app crashes every time it tries to "pause"
May 29 23:26:11 <chrizc> calling*
May 29 23:26:12 <pragma-> I can't be arsed to redesign my icons with every android update -- I can barely design and draw an icon in the first place :p
May 29 23:26:33 <SimonVT> Well, the AB fucks up if you don't have icons
May 29 23:26:53 <pragma-> maybe I can just call it "Start" and "Stop"
May 29 23:26:55 <pragma-> that should fit
May 29 23:27:06 <SimonVT> api14+ uses the native implementation. So that's what you should expect it to look like
May 29 23:27:09 <ctate> SimonVT:  yeah, don't do that :)
May 29 23:27:13 <ctate> [action bar with no icons]
May 29 23:27:19 <readme> for every 10 times someone asks about an activity, someone says fuck
May 29 23:27:23 <pragma-> fuck
May 29 23:27:26 <SimonVT> I know, just sayin
May 29 23:27:27 * g00s learns something new
May 29 23:27:29 <ctate> pragma-: TEN
May 29 23:27:34 <readme> I actually just crunched those stats from my log
May 29 23:27:34 <SimonVT> pragma- didn't know that, ctate :P
May 29 23:28:11 <readme> 85 hits for fragment
May 29 23:28:16 <g00s> pragma-: what if you provide bs empty icons
May 29 23:28:20 <readme> 260 for activity, 26 for f-bomb
May 29 23:28:27 <g00s> 100% transparency, or 9 patch
May 29 23:28:28 <MDijkstra> readme: and viewgroup?
May 29 23:28:40 <SimonVT> g00s: then there's no text
May 29 23:28:43 <JakeWharton> then you get blank action items
May 29 23:28:43 <MDijkstra> or ehm
May 29 23:28:44 <MDijkstra> tabhost
May 29 23:28:52 <g00s> oh
May 29 23:28:59 <g00s> i guess that would not work then :)
May 29 23:29:12 <readme> MDijkstra: 4 for viewgroup, including when you said it just now. 11 for tabhost.
May 29 23:29:23 <chrizc> anybody? this is really aggrevating :/ there's absolutely no reason for this to be NPE'ing simply on super.onSaveInstanceState...
May 29 23:29:26 <g00s> i have a feeling a few years from now, we are all going to be laughing at actionbars
May 29 23:29:33 <g00s> so 2012
May 29 23:29:42 <pragma-> s/years/months/
May 29 23:29:47 <ctate> chrizc: did you paste the stacktrace & code somewhere?
May 29 23:29:51 <readme> dunno. actionbar is pretty solid tech
May 29 23:29:53 <MDijkstra> we're goign back to the overflow menu!
May 29 23:30:03 * ctate points to the imgur link in the channel topic
May 29 23:30:21 <pragma-> ctate: you aren't suggesting they take screenshots of code?
May 29 23:30:47 <pragma-> oh
May 29 23:30:49 <pragma-> its a comic
May 29 23:30:50 <readme> haha
May 29 23:31:42 <chrizc> ctate; what code is needed? @Override protected void onSaveInstanceState(Bundle state) { super.onSaveInstanceState(state); }
May 29 23:31:46 <chrizc> and hold on for that stack trace.
May 29 23:32:34 <readme> that override does nothing
May 29 23:32:44 <readme> all it does is call super
May 29 23:33:01 <chrizc> exactly - and that NPE's.
May 29 23:33:26 <chrizc> I've managed to fix the NPE by not called super, but then that'll screw up for when I want to save my instance state...
May 29 23:35:12 <chrizc> alright, here's one for you guys - how do you get the current Fragment that is being viewed by the Viewpager?
May 29 23:38:03 <readme> myFragments[mAdapter.getCurrentItem()] should work.
May 29 23:38:04 <evancharlton> get it from the FragmentPagerAdapter?
May 29 23:40:40 <JakeWharton> the currently displayed fragment will have a visible hint set on it
May 29 23:41:39 <pragma-> I'm watching this old cowboy western, and the men and women go to bed and then wake up in the morning with perfectly combed hair.
May 29 23:42:14 <sonicrules1234> pragma-: Haha
May 29 23:47:24 <n20> Is android.permission.WAKE_LOCK required for effective use of AlarmManager.RTC_WAKEUP?
May 29 23:47:59 <ctate> not at all
May 29 23:48:10 <ctate> well
May 29 23:48:32 <ctate> if you want to launch a service to continue to run *right then* right after the broadcast receiver, then yes, you need that permission
May 29 23:48:33 <Jug6-afk> to maintaine the wake
May 29 23:48:48 <ctate> because you will have to do a wakelock dance to keep the device live as the service is running
May 29 23:49:08 <shoerain> I wonder, is there a queue associated with a Messenger/Handler that I can inspect/debug?
May 29 23:49:42 <ctate> there is such a queue but you can't inspect it
May 29 23:50:09 <ctate> unless you're building your own platform and can therefore debug arbitrary parts of the code successfully
May 29 23:50:26 <shoerain> Well... I do have a build of AOSP with a bunch of custom bits...
May 29 23:50:29 <n20> ctate: What if I schedule an alarm to go off at a specific time? I've seen it *not* actually get into the activity (it requests SCREEN ON and whatnot) :(
May 29 23:50:56 <n20> ctate: Is there some sort of failrate I should take into consideration, or similar?
May 29 23:51:19 <g00s> so when is my phone going to have an ozone sensor in it ?
May 29 23:51:43 <ctate> n20: a broadcast alarm on a wakeup clock *will* cause the device to wake up and run the broadcast receiver.  the framework will hold a wakelock on the receiver's behalf until onReceive() returns
May 29 23:51:50 <ctate> but!
May 29 23:51:59 <ctate> this doesn't affect activity or service alarms
May 29 23:52:29 <ctate> if you really want the device to light up unattended in response to an alarm, then you need to use a broadcast alarm
May 29 23:52:32 <Jug6ernaut> ctate, any reason why an asynctask would not call doInBackground when run from the UI thread?
May 29 23:52:43 <chrizc> okay this is very confusing - on an android 4.0.3 emulator, I can create and work with cache files fine. on my android 2.3.5 device, there are no errors thrown, but the files are never created or worked with.
May 29 23:52:57 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: source + log showing the failure, pls
May 29 23:53:14 <ctate> the source of how you're invoking the asynctask, and source of the task itself
May 29 23:53:39 <Jug6ernaut> k
May 29 23:54:26 <n20> ctate: Any pointers to where I can read more about that specific way of doing it? Right now it's the PendingIntent that fires up an Activity, that tries to light up the screen via .addFlags() :-)
May 29 23:55:02 <chrizc> anyone? any ideas?
May 29 23:55:14 <ctate> n20: the problem is that the alarm goes off, the framework calls startActivity() [the ultimate result of invoking an activity PendingIntent], and then the device goes back to sleep.  :)
May 29 23:55:22 <ctate> becuase there's no wakelock being held.
May 29 23:56:48 <n20> ctate: Oh. I expected it to keep itself awake as I force the screen on in onCreate() :(
May 29 23:56:59 <ctate> it never gets that far
May 29 23:57:16 <n20> ctate: It does actually do it if I test it within a few minutes
May 29 23:57:34 <n20> ctate: I reckon it has something to do with not going into "full sleep" though?
May 29 23:57:34 <ctate> an Android device goes to sleep *immediately* unless there is something actively preventing it from doing so
May 29 23:57:43 <n20> ctate: Hmm. That's odd.
May 29 23:57:47 <ctate> now, there are various things that do that
May 29 23:58:01 <chrizc> :S weird, it works now.
May 29 23:58:03 <n20> Ok, screen off now, app backed out off. :D
May 29 23:58:04 <ctate> user activity is one such thing; the device is kept awake for a specified interval after the end of user activity
May 29 23:58:14 <n20> ctate: Alarm raised and screen on o_o
May 29 23:58:17 <ctate> wakelocks are another
May 29 23:58:27 <ctate> n20: is it plugged in to usb?
May 29 23:58:33 <ctate> because adb holds a wakelock :)
May 29 23:58:36 <n20> ctate: Touché
May 29 23:58:45 <n20> ctate: I didn't think about that.
May 29 23:58:48 <Jug6ernaut> ctate starts asynctask http://pastebin.com/mNHBw083, asynctask http://pastebin.com/Cg3zewDa. The first time i run the app(after install) it runs through fine. after closing the app and starting doInBackground will never be called again.
May 29 23:58:58 <n20> ctate: Hang on, I'll unplug it (thanks!)
May 29 23:59:03 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: define "closing the app"
May 29 23:59:10 <Jug6ernaut> finish();
May 29 23:59:12 <Jug6ernaut> backspace
May 29 23:59:17 <Jug6ernaut> button*
May 29 23:59:39 <Jug6ernaut> but if i force close the application(kill the process i assume), and run again it works again one time.
May 29 23:59:56 * n20 thinks this is exciting.
May 30 00:00:30 <n20> ctate: Still woke it up, so something else might have that wakelock?
May 30 00:00:58 <pragma-> JakeWharton: well, git does make it very painless to merge in updates to your own forks
May 30 00:01:12 * pragma- shall investigate a fix.
May 30 00:01:16 <JakeWharton> it does indeed
May 30 00:01:18 <n20> Also, I don't think it's suitable to rely on on other apps actually having a lock at the given time, so I should probably get my own :-)
May 30 00:01:22 <n20> ctate: ^
May 30 00:01:24 <ctate> n20: maybe
May 30 00:01:29 <JakeWharton> i keep our stuff on a separate branch
May 30 00:01:30 <ctate> exactly
May 30 00:01:39 <JakeWharton> all changes are in a single commit that gets rebased on the latest master when there's an update
May 30 00:01:47 <ctate> Jug6ernaut:  hm, kinda tangled.
May 30 00:02:07 <ctate> debug or put some logging at hte places where you expect a new asynctask to be kicked off.
May 30 00:02:14 <n20> ctate: Thank you for the help, I feel I understand it a bit more now. :-D
May 30 00:02:15 <Jug6ernaut> ctate also note, that if i simply override doInBackground to Log.e(); and nothing else, it will still do the same thing(run once).
May 30 00:02:35 <Jug6ernaut> to do a Log.e()*
May 30 00:02:35 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: yeah, it's pretty clear that the async task is simply not being kicked off after the first time
May 30 00:02:50 <ctate> what are you doing in the UI that you expect to result in it running again?
May 30 00:02:50 <Jug6ernaut> right
May 30 00:03:16 <n20> JakeWharton: Good job with ABS!
May 30 00:03:21 <JakeWharton> thank you
May 30 00:03:22 <Jug6ernaut> nothing, it should only ever need to run once per time application is open.
May 30 00:03:26 <ctate> oh, and onResume() will *always* run on the UI thread
May 30 00:03:36 <Jeremyz> I'm sorry to have to resort to this, but I've been working on this problem for about 4 hours and can't get past it.  I'm hoping by posting the code, someone can see what I'm missing.  http://believersresource.com/android.zip  The problem is when using the Fragment element, the class I'm trying to include appears to exist at compile time, but not run time.  I'm sure it has something to do
May 30 00:03:37 <Jeremyz> with using the Android Support Package, but I'm at a loss.  Could someone help?
May 30 00:03:47 <n20> JakeWharton: I just started looking at it, seems like a great lib.
May 30 00:03:50 * n20 lifts his hat.
May 30 00:04:05 <Jug6ernaut> ctate i thought so, i just read around that doInBackground would not run if not on UI thread, so i figured i would check lol
May 30 00:04:09 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: if your'e running into fragment lifecycle things, i won't be able to help you much, i'm afraid
May 30 00:04:32 <Jug6ernaut> ctate also note that it will run fine if run from the onCreate, but after that no bueno
May 30 00:04:35 <Jug6ernaut> ctate k
May 30 00:04:51 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: i'm not sure what "if not on UI thread" is even supposed to mean; where'd you read that?
May 30 00:05:01 <ctate> the whole point of doInBackground() is that the code there runs on the background thread
May 30 00:05:07 <ctate> by design
May 30 00:05:28 <Jug6ernaut> well executed only from UI thread
May 30 00:05:53 <ctate> the AsyncTask object has to be loaded & kicked off from the UI thread
May 30 00:06:01 <Jug6ernaut> right
May 30 00:06:10 <ctate> and execute() has to be called from the UI thraed
May 30 00:06:22 <Jug6ernaut> right
May 30 00:07:11 <chrizc> how do I get the current fragment in a viewpager? pageradapter doesn't have .getCurrentItem()
May 30 00:07:23 <chrizc> oh wait derp
May 30 00:07:28 <chrizc> the viewpager itself has getCurrentItem
May 30 00:11:13 <Jeremyz> (Second attempt) I'm sorry to have to resort to this, but I've been working on this problem for about 4 hours and can't get past it.  I'm hoping by posting the code, someone can see what I'm missing.  http://believersresource.com/android.zip  The problem is when using the Fragment element, the class I'm trying to include appears to exist at compile time, but not run time.  I'm sure it has
May 30 00:11:13 <Jeremyz> something to do with using the Android Support Package, but I'm at a loss.  Could someone help?
May 30 00:27:19 <Jeremyz> (Last attempt) I'm sorry to have to resort to this, but I've been working on this problem for about 4 hours and can't get past it.  I'm hoping by posting the code, someone can see what I'm missing.  http://believersresource.com/android.zip  The problem is when using the Fragment element, the class I'm trying to include appears to exist at compile time, but not run time.  I'm sure it has
May 30 00:27:19 <Jeremyz> something to do with using the Android Support Package, but I'm at a loss.  Could someone help?
May 30 00:27:37 <Drakonite> I'm considering writing a book about developing with the NDK.  Does anyone have any specific topics they'd like to see included?
May 30 00:29:11 <sleepster> what's a good platform API level to target to maximize compatibility with devices
May 30 00:29:18 <JakeWharton> 15
May 30 00:29:24 <JakeWharton> minSdk of 7
May 30 00:30:06 <evancharlton> I usually do minSdk=8
May 30 00:30:10 <evancharlton> that's when the APIs became fun
May 30 00:31:21 <JakeWharton> true
May 30 00:31:24 <JakeWharton> C2DM
May 30 00:31:31 <JakeWharton> onConfigurationChanged on Views
May 30 00:32:11 <calamari> I'm curious if there is a way to run Android apps via standard qemu-system-arm, rather than the emulator program. Perhaps there's a disk image someone has created?
May 30 00:32:36 <ctate> there is
May 30 00:32:38 <ctate> it's called the emulator :)
May 30 00:33:20 <Drakonite> there is no reason to support anything older than 7.  At 7 it's still just 5% of devices, and even smaller percent of people who buy stuff from the market, so requiring 8 is reasonable.  I'd avoid requiring anything newer than 8 unless you have to though.
May 30 00:33:23 <calamari> ctate: like I say, without using that
May 30 00:33:51 <markp> talking about NDK, can you use it to basically control a USB device via JNI and USB host mode?
May 30 00:34:07 <Drakonite> calamari: what do you think the emulator is?
May 30 00:34:20 <calamari> Drakonite: some kind of modified version of qemu
May 30 00:34:53 <markp> i dont want to learn java :(
May 30 00:34:57 <Drakonite> markp: you'd need to use the apis for the USB stuff, which are only available in Java, so you'd need to make a JNI wrapper
May 30 00:35:18 <Drakonite> jni wrapper, meaning jni calls and some java code
May 30 00:36:08 <ctate> calamari: seriously, what are you actually trying to accomplish?  to run Android apps you need quite a lot of specific OS support from the kernel on out
May 30 00:36:26 <ctate> at which point you're basically talking about reimplementing the emulator
May 30 00:37:43 <calamari> ctate: I have a standard version of qemu (not by Google), qemu-system-arm. I'd like to run android apps using that emulator rather than the binary provided in the Google api.
May 30 00:37:46 <I440r> why does repo keep telling me that version 1.16 is available yet version 1.16 is NOT available for download?
May 30 00:38:58 <ctate> I440r: run repo --version
May 30 00:39:05 <calamari> ctate: if the emulator program is simply building a command line to pass to a standard qemu, that'd be great.. then all I'd need is to be able to access that command line
May 30 00:39:20 <ctate> I440r: for me, the output includes "repo launcher version 1.16"
May 30 00:39:40 <I440r> ctate that doesnt im at 1.9.1
May 30 00:39:56 <I440r> when i run the curl command shown on the "get android sources" i get this version
May 30 00:40:03 <I440r> launcher version 1.15
May 30 00:40:20 <ctate> hum!
May 30 00:40:34 <n20> I love the fact that my FREE app got disabled due to DMCA, but other apps related to the same service (some with a price tag) are left active on Google Play. :-)
May 30 00:40:34 <ctate> so when it tells you that 1.16 is available
May 30 00:40:40 <ctate> is it not providing a command to run in order to get the latest?
May 30 00:41:05 <n20> ctate: Would you mind hitting the "reactivate"-button for me?
May 30 00:41:16 <I440r> erm. i guess it is! why is the curl command shown on the get android sources NOT downloading the latest?
May 30 00:41:16 <ctate> n20: by "are left active" you mean "have not been subject to DMCA takedowns"
May 30 00:41:25 <ctate> that is a good question!
May 30 00:42:12 <ctate> and you're certain that you're running the one it downloads?
May 30 00:42:17 <I440r> yes
May 30 00:42:20 <ctate> ok
May 30 00:42:29 <I440r> i did multiple sanity checks lol
May 30 00:42:40 <ctate> ... verified; they forgot to update the downloads :)
May 30 00:42:47 <I440r> :)
May 30 00:42:54 <n20> ctate: Yes. Exactly that part. I've been talking to their legal department but I can sum it up with "goddamn bureaucracy" - their three terms on what I would have to change (more like nerf) are actually things I see in the "competitors" :-)
May 30 00:43:09 <ctate> n20: FYI i have exactly zero to do with the Play Store
May 30 00:43:13 <ctate> or with DMCA activity
May 30 00:43:14 <I440r> well. i can forgive them. thers alot of minor details to manage here. they miss one no biggie
May 30 00:43:33 <I440r> how do i stop a currently executing repo?
May 30 00:43:38 <I440r> because ^c does not work
May 30 00:43:45 <I440r> which is dumb
May 30 00:43:49 <calamari> ctate: is the qemu emulator that Google provides modified from the vanilla one to add hardware support not present in the original?
May 30 00:43:52 <n20> ctate: Will this box of smarties make you run into that department and flail at the keyboards, and maybe solving my problem? :D
May 30 00:43:57 * n20 shows the box of smarties.
May 30 00:44:01 <ctate> it does but there are so many things it spins off it gets nondeterministic which is handlign the ^C
May 30 00:44:02 <ctate> do a ps
May 30 00:44:08 <ctate> find the primary repo process
May 30 00:44:10 <ctate> and kill it
May 30 00:44:16 <Jeremyz> Whoohoo!!  Finally fixed my problem with the Fragment.  The class for the parent element just needed to extend FragmentActivity instead of Activity.
May 30 00:44:22 <I440r> python2.6 yea
May 30 00:44:23 <ctate> Jeremyz: woooooot
May 30 00:44:26 <Jeremyz> Thanks everyone who helped.
May 30 00:45:45 <I440r> which is another question. why does google insist on an OLD version of python for repo, and why is make 3.81 "broken"
May 30 00:46:09 <I440r> building the android source wont work except with make version 2.xy i forget exactly what version
May 30 00:46:45 <ctate> huh?  i'm using make 3.81.
May 30 00:47:21 <ctate> and in general the android build system uses quite advanced GNU make features
May 30 00:47:29 <n20> Jeremyz: That seems odd, do you mean that you were trying to incorporate Fragments in a regular Activity and it didn't complain prior to running it? I missed some parts of the talk above. :-) » ctate
May 30 00:47:42 <I440r> last time i did a make in my android repository (after . build/envsetup) it told me "checking for broken versions of make" and claimed my version was broken
May 30 00:47:45 <I440r> i had to downgrade
May 30 00:48:22 <ctate> wrgh
May 30 00:48:40 <I440r> and NOW my envsetup isnt setting any env up dammit.
May 30 00:48:52 <I440r> no "lunch" command after running envsetup and make just hangs
May 30 00:49:28 <I440r> doing a repo sync before i call foul
May 30 00:51:16 <Jug6ernaut> ctate i still havent figured out the problem, but im narrowing it down. Its looking like your right about the first asynctask not exiting right
May 30 00:52:06 <Jeremyz> n20 - Correct.  No compile time errors.  At runtime it was trying to convert my class that inherits from android.support.v4.app.Fragment to com.android.Fragment which didn't exist because of the framework version and that was the superclass that didn't exist.
May 30 00:53:36 <n20> Jeremyz: Seems like you imported the com.android.Fragment and ran it on a < Honeycomb-device?
May 30 00:53:58 * n20 just realized that he might've stated what has already been said. :-)
May 30 00:54:42 <I440r> ugh. you have to run . build/envsetup, running sh build/envsetup does not work... why?
May 30 00:55:01 <Jeremyz> I never (intentionally) imported com.android.Fragment.  I think Activity was just expecting a class of that type for the <fragment> element and was attempting the cast.
May 30 00:55:20 * n20 is going to walk the walk, all the way to bed. Night 'folks!
May 30 00:55:49 <n20> Jeremyz: On the brightside - we've learned something new. :-D
May 30 00:56:16 <Jeremyz> Ha.  Hopefully it'll help the next guy. :-)
May 30 00:57:28 <ctate> I440r: because when you 'sh build/envsetup.sh' that executes it in a subshell.  when the subshell exits, it takes all that lovely environment configuration away with it.
May 30 00:57:59 <ctate> I440r: the whole point of "." [or the less-cryptic synonym 'source'] is to apply the environment changes to the *current* shell.
May 30 00:59:37 <I440r> aha lol
May 30 00:59:54 <I440r> and yea 3.81 is the highest version of make that android build will use. everything after that is considered "broken"
May 30 01:00:18 <I440r> i have >=sys-devel/make-3.81 in my /etc/portage/package.mask because of this
May 30 01:01:57 <I440r> if i wasnt masking it thusly i would be using make version 3.82-r1
May 30 01:05:21 <andreluiz> could anyone give me a hint why i'm getting a null from findViewById here? https://gist.github.com/2831994
May 30 01:05:22 <I440r> did a search, on a MAC build 3.81 is the only non broken version of make. any version will work in linux :/
May 30 01:07:30 <andreluiz> solvd
May 30 01:14:23 <ctate> interesting
May 30 01:14:32 <ctate> and yes, supporting the Mac is mandatory for us.
May 30 01:15:13 <ctate> oh ah:
May 30 01:15:14 * ctate | For versions of Android before ICS, there is a bug in gmake 3.82 that prevents android from building.
May 30 01:15:23 <ctate> is it still enforcing that for ICS and master?
May 30 01:17:35 <pragma-> I440r: are you using gentoo?
May 30 01:17:37 <I440r> does repo sync just re-download 100% of the data or just the changes
May 30 01:17:49 <I440r> pragma nothing but for a great many years
May 30 01:18:00 <JakeWharton> just changes
May 30 01:18:06 <pragma-> yup, I figured you were one of those kids.
May 30 01:18:11 <JakeWharton> it basically call git fetch on each repo
May 30 01:18:21 <I440r> i dont use "Ricer" use flags
May 30 01:18:24 <I440r> so im not a KID
May 30 01:18:30 <ctate> gentoo? snrk
May 30 01:18:32 <pragma-> I440r: loved your anti-git rant a few days ago because you don't know how to use it
May 30 01:18:34 <I440r> gentoo is the single most configurable distro there is
May 30 01:18:45 <ctate> http://funroll-loops.info/
May 30 01:18:51 <I440r> pragma git is DUMB.
May 30 01:18:51 <sonicrules1234> :D
May 30 01:18:55 * sonicrules1234 uses gentoo
May 30 01:19:15 <I440r> download 3846583645873 gigs of repo an entire repo just to be able to check out version 1.2.3 of the sources
May 30 01:19:18 <wongk-home> <3 gentoo
May 30 01:19:35 <I440r> and everyone in the world has to have the entire contents of the entire repo locally
May 30 01:19:39 <sonicrules1234> I even got cyanogenmod compiling on here
May 30 01:20:02 <ctate> I440r: so just download the branch you want
May 30 01:20:08 <ctate> that's the -c option to repo sync
May 30 01:20:19 <wongk-home> gentoo has it's advantages for software developers more than for other use cases
May 30 01:20:28 <I440r> im not a big fan of cm7 on my thunderbolt, they dont have the drivers for some of the devices fully figured out
May 30 01:20:42 <I440r> i love cm7 on my incredible
May 30 01:20:52 <I440r> im hoping cm9 will work better on my thunderbolt
May 30 01:21:14 <wongk-home> cm7 works perfectly on my TB
May 30 01:21:21 <pragma-> the cm7 repo has too many people with write access merging their pushes without peer review now
May 30 01:21:24 <wongk-home> i wouldn't think of using anything else
May 30 01:21:38 <I440r> gentoo is easier to manage than ubuntu. when ubuntu "just works" its fine.. sort of.  when it doesnt work its a bitch to get it to do so
May 30 01:22:06 <wongk-home> ubuntu is garbage ;)
May 30 01:22:21 <I440r> wongk-home, yea. i think the tbolt must have different versions of say the gps hardware.  i never get a lock even with the new version after first getting a lock
May 30 01:22:42 <wongk-home> admittedly, i don't use the gps
May 30 01:22:45 <I440r> ubuntu is a microsoft conspiracy to sabotage linux by making it look feel and fuck up just like windows
May 30 01:22:50 <pragma-> no
May 30 01:22:53 <pragma-> that's fedora
May 30 01:22:54 <wongk-home> i have seen solutions to get it working, however
May 30 01:22:55 <pragma-> you're confused.
May 30 01:22:57 <I440r> that too lol
May 30 01:23:15 <wongk-home> visually, ubuntu is far closer to mac
May 30 01:23:16 <pragma-> ubuntu is painless
May 30 01:23:23 <pragma-> apt-get, done.
May 30 01:23:27 <wongk-home> one of the reason i dislike it
May 30 01:23:29 <I440r> wongk yea. before installing cm7 install a rom where gps works, then get a lock, then install cm7
May 30 01:23:47 <pragma-> launchpad.net is a nice resource
May 30 01:24:09 <I440r> pragma emerge has way better dependancy handling than any .deb distribution. and .deb distributions do NOT follow the FHS
May 30 01:24:30 <Jug6ernaut> ctate figured it out...it was happening when i was using a view.post(runnable(){ run(){ view.postDelayed(this,1000); } }); i changed to a handler and it working now :\
May 30 01:25:01 <pragma-> i recently had the displeasure of installing fedora in a vm recently for a project
May 30 01:25:15 <pragma-> it refused to install unless there was at least 700mb of ram
May 30 01:25:25 <pragma-> and it won't boot up unless there's at least 256 mb of ram
May 30 01:25:26 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: \o/
May 30 01:25:49 <I440r> gentoo has issues compiling firefox in a system with limited ram. thats a FF issue tho, not gentoo
May 30 01:25:49 <pragma-> meanwhile ubuntu boots with only 40mb of ram
May 30 01:26:01 <wongk-home> for people who think buulding software is too much overheard, i recommend arch linux
May 30 01:26:19 <wongk-home> there are no 32-bit emulation packages, though
May 30 01:26:22 <I440r> i would also recommend arch linux except for one HUGE security flaw in the distribution
May 30 01:26:22 <wongk-home> that's a problem for me
May 30 01:26:24 <I440r> AUR
May 30 01:26:40 <I440r> when AUR dies a death and all the packages in there are moved into main. THEN i might even switch
May 30 01:28:04 <wongk-home> i didn't use it long enough to become familiar with the issue
May 30 01:28:26 <wongk-home> but i don't see myself using a distro that is not rolling release any time soon
May 30 01:29:13 <I440r> why have linux-distro version x.y.z.2.4-r1
May 30 01:29:24 <I440r> ALOT of confusion factor there
May 30 01:29:25 <pragma-> just use LFS 1.0
May 30 01:29:33 <I440r> lfs is kinda shitty lol
May 30 01:29:42 <I440r> very nice way to learn linux but totaly impractical for a daily driver
May 30 01:29:55 <I440r> From http://github.com/AOKP/device_samsung_p1c
May 30 01:29:55 <I440r>  * [new branch]      FuckMe     -> gh/FuckMe
May 30 01:30:04 <wongk-home> never used it
May 30 01:30:04 <I440r> !
May 30 01:31:03 <pragma-> figures you'd be interested in something with "kang" in the official name, you ricer.
May 30 01:31:32 <I440r> im not really that interested in it, it wont run on my thunderbolt
May 30 01:31:50 <I440r> i like thunderstick roms mostly
May 30 01:32:07 <I440r> but keep being a dickhead and using every opportunity to bash on me
May 30 01:32:20 <I440r> like a complete cunt you are
May 30 01:32:32 <pragma-> y u so mad?
May 30 01:32:39 <wongk-home> that's what pragma- does, he's a sweetheart
May 30 01:37:13 <Jug6ernaut> ctate is what i did wrong?(besides the obvious of it not working lol)
May 30 01:45:56 <b1n0ry> my fedora looks nothing like windows. windows are glass and have frames. my fedora is black and rests on my head.
May 30 01:46:37 <I440r> i have a "discovery channel" fedora
May 30 01:46:50 <b1n0ry> i have several fedoras. i wear them on stage.
May 30 01:46:54 <I440r> its 100% woll so its crap. want 100% beaver.. that one woul cost $500++ tho
May 30 01:47:02 <b1n0ry> usually if i'm working a bar, i wear a newsboy cap
May 30 01:47:21 <b1n0ry> i wore 100% beaver on my head once. was a bitch to clean up.
May 30 01:47:29 <b1n0ry> but a heck of a lot of fun
May 30 01:47:48 <b1n0ry> she didn't cost me quite $500 though
May 30 01:52:20 <I440r> im starting to wonder if there are any aduls in here at all
May 30 01:52:35 <sonicrules1234> I'm 20
May 30 01:52:58 <I440r> being adult has nothing to do with age
May 30 01:53:09 <sonicrules1234> :p
May 30 01:58:17 <Cfmendes> hello
May 30 01:59:58 <Xonk> Since you're not suppose to use a ListView within a ScrollView, what element can you use instead to allow someone to select an item from a list?
May 30 02:00:17 <xorgate> a listview thats not in a scrollview
May 30 02:00:54 <Xonk> May main layout is a scrollview.  I want to give someone the option to select one of 10 options in a section within it.
May 30 02:01:48 <xorgate> use a listview
May 30 02:02:40 <Cfmendes> where can i start to learn to dev android and ios apps? :)
May 30 02:02:49 <xorgate> http://d.android.com
May 30 02:02:58 <xorgate> like it says in the topic
May 30 02:03:41 <Xonk> I can't use a ListView within a ScrollView
May 30 02:04:09 <xorgate> yes... don't put a listview in a scrollview
May 30 02:04:18 <xorgate> lets try another approach
May 30 02:04:23 <xorgate> what are you trying to achieve
May 30 02:05:56 <Xonk> My main layout is a ScrollView because the set of options on are too long to fit on a single screen.  One of the options within that page is a select list where the user needs to pick one of 10 items, so I'm using a ListView there.
May 30 02:06:30 <Xonk> I don't necessary need the scrolling functionality of a list view, all 10 can be visible at once.  I just need some means of listing 10 options and letting a user pick one, within the main scrollview.
May 30 02:07:24 <xorgate> you mean the 10 are visible on your device
May 30 02:07:47 <Xonk> One sec.  I'll get a screenshot
May 30 02:08:01 <xorgate> what will my 200x200 pixel phone do?
May 30 02:08:18 <xorgate> selecting 1 item out of N -> listview
May 30 02:10:32 <Xonk> Hopefully the scrollview will take care of it on your 200x200 phone..
May 30 02:10:56 <Xonk> Here's a screenshot.  Sorry it's so red, I have some driver problem.  http://i.imgur.com/Z2rBa.jpg
May 30 02:11:09 <xorgate> right, listview
May 30 02:11:41 <Xonk> I have to manually set the height on that related topics section to make it work, if I let it wrap content it collapses all the way down (the problem with putting a listview in the scrollview)
May 30 02:11:42 <xorgate> or if you refuse, just make 10 textviews
May 30 02:12:00 <xorgate> or, maybe better, rethink your interface
May 30 02:12:44 <xorgate> the problem with listview in scrollview is: when i start dragging, which of the 2 should scroll?
May 30 02:12:57 <Xonk> Right.  I'm looking for an alternative to listview
May 30 02:13:19 <xorgate> you can manually create textviews for all related topics in your screen
May 30 02:13:23 <Xonk> I don't want the scrolling behaviour of the listview at all.  I want it's size to be whatever it has to be to wrap the elements and let the scrolview do the scrolling.
May 30 02:13:53 <xorgate> so you have what you have now, i see 5 textviews or whatever
May 30 02:13:57 <xorgate> why not place 10 ?
May 30 02:15:25 <Xonk> That may be what I have to do.  It just seems innefficient to create 10 text views in code and manually wire up all their click events.  Was hoping was a control i can just bind the adapter to.
May 30 02:16:09 <xorgate> why a button for related passages
May 30 02:16:13 <xorgate> but not for related topics?
May 30 02:16:27 <xorgate> optionally use 3 tabs
May 30 02:16:48 <xorgate> or 2 tabs below the passage
May 30 02:16:56 <Xonk> I'm in the middle of switching layouts.  I originally just had a button for each, but was going to rework it to include the related passages and topics on the page and have them be expandable/collapsable.
May 30 02:17:05 <Xonk> A tab layout could work.
May 30 02:17:29 <xorgate> optionally an expandablelistview with 2 groups and x passages and y topics
May 30 02:18:27 <Xonk> Can each row in an expandablelistview have a different layout?
May 30 02:19:25 <xorgate> hmm i know a normal listview can have multiple layouts
May 30 02:19:47 <Xonk> I think I'm going to set up tabs.  That probably makes the most sense.
May 30 02:20:00 <xorgate> yeh prolly
May 30 02:20:16 <Xonk> Alright.  Thanks for the idea.
May 30 02:20:17 <xorgate> most passages arent too long are they
May 30 02:20:29 <xorgate> so i would look into passage and below that 2 tabs
May 30 02:21:15 <Xonk> They can be.  I'll snap the tabs to the bottom of the screen and place the content section in a scrollview just in case it's a really long one.
May 30 02:27:08 <b1n0ry> <3 girls, which means i dislike gentoo by default.
May 30 02:27:59 * pragma- creates a bitbucket.org account/repo and adds it to his list of remotes.
May 30 02:28:18 <pragma-> why not?
May 30 02:28:44 <pragma-> getting to be a pain to upload pre-compiled .apks to each hosting's downloads page
May 30 02:28:54 <pragma-> don't really want to store them in the repo either
May 30 02:29:44 <pragma-> so nice that git can push to multiple remote repositories
May 30 02:40:38 <mheld> is there a standard method that people architect database interaction in android apps?
May 30 02:43:10 <pragma-> mheld: yes, the data structures achieve synergy with the performance indicators fast-tracked to the knowledge base ballpark of the big business picture benchmark to empower process mapping metrics that are proactive outside the box of show stopper paradigms
May 30 02:43:25 <pragma-> let me know if you have any questions
May 30 02:43:29 <mheld> ha
May 30 02:43:34 <mheld> that was delightful
May 30 02:43:51 <mheld> maybe I should rephrase :-)
May 30 02:45:27 <pragma-> databases are usually overkill for most people's purposes.
May 30 02:46:19 <pragma-> sqlite is typically used on android
May 30 02:46:28 <pragma-> of course, i have no idea what you're asking.
May 30 02:48:40 <g00s> Drakonite: there is one book about the NDK
May 30 02:48:53 <mheld> http://pastie.org/private/jtlrch0qgeprlwpjrzpmiw
May 30 02:48:56 <b1n0ry> "is there a standard method that people architect database interaction" <-- i would say maybe a DFD or an ERD?
May 30 02:49:01 <mheld> is this kosher?
May 30 02:49:22 <b1n0ry> i mean, that's how i start architecting database interaction
May 30 02:50:25 <mheld> every model that interacts with the database has a constructor that takes in a cursor, they all have a getAllOfTypeX-ish method, they all have a create method?
May 30 02:50:34 <mheld> that uses the database adapter?
May 30 02:52:33 <mheld> here's a more transparent paste -> http://pastie.org/private/jtlrch0qgeprlwpjrzpmiw
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