**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:58 2012 Jun 02 03:08:23 anyone want to explain to me why the install chart on the play.google.com/store site updates like every 15 minutes, but the play.google.com/publish dev console updates once a day? Jun 02 03:09:13 j0hnsm1th: fix your connection! Jun 02 03:09:28 jubei_: fix your connection! Jun 02 03:10:44 j0hnsm1th: fix your connection! Jun 02 03:10:59 jubei_: fix your connection! Jun 02 03:11:06 ctate: do something useful! Jun 02 03:11:56 actually, ~jubei@*.za ignored Jun 02 03:13:28 something tells me i'm glad that i hid join/parts Jun 02 03:13:36 you're missing all the fun Jun 02 03:13:47 this is fun i'll let you enjoy Jun 02 03:14:13 there are so many witty quit messages Jun 02 03:15:58 stupid samsung Jun 02 03:16:05 can't debug in their desktop dock Jun 02 03:16:07 motorola is worse Jun 02 03:16:13 waste of $60 Jun 02 03:22:23 i hate old cards Jun 02 03:22:37 and dry hands... brb Jun 02 03:25:13 Are there any good options for promoting a new app for free? Like blogs I should contact or sites I should submit it to? Jun 02 03:32:06 Xonk: for $200, I'll promote your app on all major free blogs for free! Jun 02 03:32:32 wow that's one freeking good deal! Jun 02 03:32:46 Xonk: for free, I'll give you a 5 star rating on your market page if you give me $10 Jun 02 03:33:42 http://fiverr.com/ Jun 02 03:34:28 you can hire a lot of those people for $200 Jun 02 03:36:56 http://fiverr.com/twistedweb123/spell-out-your-message-in-scrabble-tiles-and-send-you-a-video has made at least $555 doing that... Jun 02 03:37:56 plastic bag man has sold 253 video testimonials Jun 02 03:38:03 I'm in the wrong business Jun 02 03:41:50 Pragma - So I guess that was a no. I think it was a legitimate question. It's not uncommon for there to be a 'new apps this week' type blog or free directories that it's common practice to submit to. Jun 02 03:42:49 Xonk: google for "new apps this week" and find their contact us links and submit your app Jun 02 03:46:19 Xonk: http://www.techcredo.com/android/top-10-android-blogs-the-best-sites-for-android-news-previews-reviews-rumors Jun 02 03:46:22 * pragma- useful. Jun 02 03:46:50 thanks. Jun 02 03:47:11 Does anyone know if the tun/tap kernel module (or built into the kernel) is included on any version of the stock android? Jun 02 04:10:46 fundamental java question: what's the difference between CharSequence and String? Jun 02 04:12:05 nm, researched and found the answer Jun 02 05:11:34 is it possible to take a fragment, preserve the current state in the back stack, and initiate a new instance of the same fragment? Jun 02 05:25:43 http://acidcow.com/pics/20120601/acid_picdump_28.jpg Jun 02 05:25:45 epic. Jun 02 05:26:05 seen it Jun 02 05:26:20 or should i say, reddit Jun 02 05:26:26 still epic. Jun 02 05:27:55 hmm. interesting quandry. i have an activity with full screen image set in XML. programmatically, if I create a new ImageView, set layout params to match parent, and add to layout...it comes out on top (as expected). however, if I do the same thing with a custom View that I made, it comes out underneath. any idea why? Jun 02 05:29:55 if this is a horizontal linearlayout, i would expect it to appear below the existing views in the layout Jun 02 05:30:00 er, vertical Jun 02 05:30:05 its inside a relative layout Jun 02 05:30:41 i have no opinion without any code pasted Jun 02 05:30:57 stated another way: the custom view appears exactly where it should. however, when I put a fullscreen image into the XML, it obscures the custom view. Jun 02 05:31:15 which doesnt make sense, because custom view is created and added afterward Jun 02 05:39:59 it's weird how building android apps in my vm is faster than building them on my host Jun 02 05:40:18 [success] Total time: 67 s, completed Jun 1, 2012 10:39:19 PM <- windows Jun 02 05:40:26 [success] Total time: 64 s, completed Jun 1, 2012 10:39:25 PM Jun 02 05:40:30 <- linux Jun 02 05:40:33 (vm) Jun 02 05:40:46 could be random fluctation Jun 02 05:41:02 nope, it's consistently 3-5s faster in the vm Jun 02 05:42:23 the only time my vm is slower is when my nfs serving vm decides to be stupid and not serve nfs Jun 02 05:45:14 #android Jun 02 05:47:03 nfs makes me want to punch things Jun 02 06:04:29 If nfs makes you want to punch things, don't try afs Jun 02 06:04:54 afs...invented at CMU Jun 02 06:16:13 can anyone suggest a free non gnu arm assembler? Jun 02 06:16:27 not fasmarm, its kinda crappy Jun 02 06:31:19 ugh... afs... *shudders* Jun 02 06:32:21 need some help on a growing android app, anyone interested? Jun 02 06:32:57 depends on the benefits! Jun 02 06:33:02 Dental? Vision? Jun 02 06:36:24 do you cover penis enlargement? Jun 02 06:36:24 gold? diamonds? bragging rights? Jun 02 06:36:36 for anyone who's serious, please msg me Jun 02 06:37:29 so does anyone know of ANY non gnu toolchain arm assembler suitibl for development of native android executables? Jun 02 06:37:57 why? Jun 02 06:37:58 this isnt a bs question... gas is horrendously difficult to use for this particular purpose Jun 02 06:38:03 I'd love to hear your latest rant Jun 02 06:38:16 i want to port my forth compiler to android? Jun 02 06:38:48 gnu's assembler just cant hack the macros i need for this... look at www.isforth.com sources (x86 linux) Jun 02 06:39:37 why do you need macros? Jun 02 06:39:48 pragma not ranting, gnu's assembler was never intended to be used for anything other than c's backend Jun 02 06:40:33 becayuse i assemble code and forth word headers to separate sections. the end resultant executable is identical to what the forth compiler would have produced had it compiled its own sources Jun 02 06:41:16 i need to be able to assemble multiple linked structures that both forward and reverse reference other structures and code Jun 02 06:41:56 and the linked lists need to be hashed. at assemble time or its a pita to fix it at run time Jun 02 06:42:04 even nasm cant do that at assemble time :/ Jun 02 06:42:24 tho the a386 assembler can (ye olde x86 dos assembler) Jun 02 06:42:52 oh, well there you go. Jun 02 06:43:01 problem solved Jun 02 06:43:10 ? Jun 02 06:45:16 * mahamoti wishes we'd all just go back to DOS Jun 02 06:45:29 dos had its plusses lol Jun 02 06:45:39 the games were better Jun 02 06:45:49 i didnt downgrade to windows till 98 came out. :/ Jun 02 06:46:16 so i guess nobody knows of an assembler for arm thats free and doesnt suck :P Jun 02 06:46:43 my first pc was a 386. it took a full 12 hours of sitting at room temperature before it would boot due to the cold air. i wanted SO badly to play Jetpack... Jun 02 06:47:04 wtf 12 hours Jun 02 06:47:07 i call bs on that Jun 02 06:47:37 I dont remember how many exactly,but it was definitely more than 3 Jun 02 06:47:51 HOURS? Jun 02 06:47:54 to BOOT? Jun 02 06:47:55 yah Jun 02 06:47:59 err no Jun 02 06:47:59 i thought it was broken Jun 02 06:49:02 its not that the actual boot took that long Jun 02 06:49:04 its that it wouldnt boot at all Jun 02 06:49:08 until it warmed up Jun 02 06:49:31 the vacuum tubes were still frozen lol Jun 02 06:49:34 mine was a cutting edge blazing fast 286 16mhz Jun 02 06:50:04 oooh did you have a ***super*** VGA monitor? Jun 02 06:51:27 we made 1 color look like 4 colors Jun 02 06:51:38 its all about the dithering. Jun 02 06:52:00 and back then, kids had imaginations. Jun 02 06:52:28 you saw +, and you thought "land mine" ! Jun 02 06:53:27 http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/custersrevengescreenshot.jpg Jun 02 06:54:05 didnt know that one Jun 02 06:54:09 my favorite -> http://blog.poweredbytoast.com/content/tunneler.jpg Jun 02 06:54:28 scorched earth ftw Jun 02 06:54:48 I wrote a bunch of scorched earth clones Jun 02 06:55:03 the settlers and ultima 3 ftw Jun 02 06:55:27 oregan trail. Jun 02 06:55:33 oregon Jun 02 06:55:57 i still play the settlers. dont have u3 and the new clones of it all SUCK Jun 02 06:56:09 Liero was the best game ever made Jun 02 06:56:22 mahamoti, you never played the settlers then :) Jun 02 06:56:43 mahamoti: you just like burrowing Jun 02 06:56:54 bah Jun 02 06:56:57 and i mean the original one, 2 3 4 5 6 7 etc are kiddie games in comparison Jun 02 06:57:05 like "warcraft" was Jun 02 06:57:10 there is no comparison to a chiquita bomb Jun 02 06:57:20 warcraft 2 was fun Jun 02 06:57:32 in a simple kind of way Jun 02 06:57:39 it made blizzard Jun 02 06:57:56 i still play wow Jun 02 06:58:10 i have never played wow Jun 02 06:58:15 boring Jun 02 06:58:17 i did play wc3 Jun 02 06:58:30 diablo 1 Jun 02 06:58:52 i watched my roommate play diablo 1/2 while i played quake1/2 Jun 02 06:59:20 i used to pay my brother $1/hr to create new games and check blacksmith until he found me kings swod of haste + godly plate of the whale Jun 02 06:59:40 godly plate of the whale Jun 02 07:00:17 fallout 1/2 > diablo 1/2 Jun 02 07:00:47 as far as adventure games go, i give it to Quest for Glory Jun 02 07:01:09 So u want to be a hero Jun 02 07:01:11 nope, my text-based Search for the Rune Sword was the best Jun 02 07:01:22 my mom said so Jun 02 07:01:28 nethack. just kidding. i hated nethack Jun 02 07:01:37 lol yea nethack was kinda sucky Jun 02 07:01:42 YOU DIE. Jun 02 07:01:52 noobs. Jun 02 07:02:06 nethack is like playing minesweeper blindfolded Jun 02 07:03:04 challenge accepted Jun 02 07:05:04 i had a gf woul could click 3 or 4 mines per second on hardest mode and WIN almsot every time Jun 02 07:05:16 i could never understand how her HANDS worked that fast, nevermind her brain Jun 02 07:08:06 i got really into it Jun 02 07:08:13 hello all Jun 02 07:08:18 my best was like 240 i think Jun 02 07:10:04 hello Utopic Jun 02 07:11:24 I have a LinearLayout fragment and I add views programatically to it, when I replace the fragment with another and later restore the first, I don't get the views I added, but if I try to add the views again, it complains about views already having a parent Jun 02 07:11:47 if the views already have a parent, and the parent is displayed, why the views aren't? Jun 02 07:13:03 onCreateView(){ if( getView() != null ) return getView() ); else return (LinearLayout)inflater.inflate(); } Jun 02 07:13:23 Hello, I try to use a pic as a button. I copied the png file in the drawable folder, create a xml file with the same name (without .png): http://pastebin.com/bse8BpaP. Now i get from eclipse this error: http://pastebin.com/hagZSC7v Jun 02 07:13:50 add_view(View v){ ((LinearLayout)getView().findViewById(id).addView(v); } Jun 02 07:17:44 the XML file should be placed inside layout folder sukramTM, and maybe both files should have different names Jun 02 07:18:54 "Resource entry scores_apgar is already defined." <-- quite explanatory Jun 02 07:19:00 it is the xml file for the picture like in this example: http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-formstuff.html#CustomButton Jun 02 07:19:22 but how it could be that is defined in the png file? Jun 02 07:20:03 this example have differents names for images and xml files Jun 02 07:20:38 android_pressed, android_focused and android_normal for images files, and android_button for the xml Jun 02 07:22:37 Utopic: the layout file is in the layout folder Jun 02 07:23:38 it is not what your error tells Jun 02 07:23:47 [2012-06-02 09:05:15 - RettHelfer] res\drawable\scores_apgar.xml:0: error: Resource entry scores_apgar is already defined. Jun 02 07:23:52 res\drawable\scores_apgar.xml Jun 02 07:24:17 "scores_apgar is already defined." <-- quite explanatory: change names Jun 02 07:26:13 if you placed the xml inside layout folder, access it by R.layout.scores_apgar instead of R.drawable.scores_apgar Jun 02 07:27:39 I excuse my bad english, I think you dont understand me Jun 02 07:29:46 When I read this: http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-formstuff.html#CustomButton I have to put a xml file () in the drawable folder together with the image. Jun 02 07:30:42 @drawable/scores_apgar <-- what does that reference to? to scores_apgar.xml or scores_apgar.png? both are defined! Jun 02 07:31:01 change names, as in the CustomButton example Jun 02 07:32:36 Ok now i understand, thx Jun 02 07:33:52 welcome Jun 02 07:35:26 also, if your button is a single image with no properties, you don't need the XML, you can reference to the .png file Jun 02 07:35:56 the customButton example defines the XML because the button have different images depending on it's state Jun 02 07:45:38 I have a LinearLayout fragment and I add views programatically to it, when I replace the fragment with another and later restore the first, I don't get the views I added, but if I try to add the views again, it complains about views already having a parent Jun 02 07:45:43 if the views already have a parent, and the parent is displayed, why the views aren't? Jun 02 07:45:58 onCreateView(){ if( getView() != null ) return getView() ); else return (LinearLayout)inflater.inflate(); } Jun 02 07:46:05 add_view(View v){ ((LinearLayout)getView().findViewById(id).addView(v); } Jun 02 08:07:40 can I use OnClickListener with a TextView ? Jun 02 08:11:59 sukramTM: si Jun 02 08:12:18 your_text_view.setClickable(true); Jun 02 08:15:22 Utopic: incorrect Jun 02 08:16:09 I do believe you mean el_texto_de_la_vista Jun 02 08:18:47 I think TextView class should be extended to include OnClickListener: public class clickListenerTextVi extends TextView implements OnClickListener{} Jun 02 08:21:29 you can just do: class MyOnClickListener extends OnClickListener { public void onClick(View v) { /* do something */ } } TextView tv = new TextView(); tv.setOnClickListener(new MyOnClickListener()); Jun 02 08:22:14 actually Jun 02 08:22:54 TextView tv = new TextView(); tv.setOnClickListener(new OnClickListener() { public void onClick(View vi) { /* do something */ } }); Jun 02 08:22:57 done. Jun 02 08:23:36 you java students and your java schools trying to extend and implement everything Jun 02 08:23:41 pragma-, do you know why my views are not displayed when I restore a fragment? Jun 02 08:23:57 because a) and c) Jun 02 08:24:46 what's a) and c)? Jun 02 08:26:09 in opengl, if I draw a triangle that is way larger than the screen, will the non visible parts be processed by the render? I assume they won't pass through the fragment shader? Jun 02 08:26:29 is draw9patch open source? Jun 02 08:29:56 Utopic: it might help if you paste the code somewhere, or link to the source repo Jun 02 08:30:16 you could be doing any number of things wrong Jun 02 08:30:53 sure, but there's a lot of code Jun 02 08:31:04 I'll try to paste it to pastebin Jun 02 08:31:17 you could just make another project that only has this specific issue Jun 02 08:31:27 making such a testcase might even help you figure out the problem yourself Jun 02 08:32:45 you know, create a debug project skeleton, then commit it into your repo, then use that repo to create new branches to test different functionality of android Jun 02 08:39:26 http://pastebin.com/fYRKRYfJ Jun 02 08:39:44 this is the code and sequence of my issue Jun 02 08:45:14 what's a Tab? Jun 02 08:46:23 calling getView() in onCreateView() seems whack Jun 02 08:46:36 just create the view and maintain an instance reference to it Jun 02 08:47:31 a Tab is a button with a fragment (I'm trying to paste it, pastebin tells me to wait) Jun 02 08:47:53 I can maintan the reference, or I can get it by calling getView(), can't I? Jun 02 08:48:37 I'd just maintain the reference. Jun 02 08:48:59 why to maintain it if the fragment already does that? Jun 02 08:49:08 anyway, I also tryed that Jun 02 08:50:22 getView() in onCreateView() seems whack, but also seems whack to me the fragment lifecycle Jun 02 08:50:24 mostly because I'm not entirely sure what getView() does exactly and because I like knowing exactly where and what my data is without depending on some blackbox API Jun 02 08:50:36 setRetainInstance(true) for great win Jun 02 08:51:39 http://pastebin.com/828uBAZa <-- with tab class Jun 02 08:52:37 in what function should I call setRetainInstance? Jun 02 08:52:46 in the right one Jun 02 08:52:48 constructor, onCreate, onCreateView? Jun 02 08:54:35 the right one is onActivityCreated Jun 02 09:05:20 does this mean that i got ICS for my mobile phone , should i go with this update ? http://i48.tinypic.com/k16sux.jpg please help Jun 02 09:06:29 jennie: #android Jun 02 09:11:09 setRetainInstance didn't solve my problem, nor keeping track of the view Jun 02 09:18:25 When I keep my finger pressed on the screen and swipe towards a button and hover over the button without releasing my finger, I want an event to occur.. Any thing in the API that does it? Jun 02 09:19:02 drag and drop Jun 02 09:19:25 I don;t really want to drop anything.. but I can use drag and drop just like that? Jun 02 09:20:42 i don't know, just trying to point you in the right direction Jun 02 09:20:45 no touch events fire? Jun 02 09:21:17 OnTouch does not fire unless I lift and drop my finger again on that button Jun 02 09:22:13 what about onInterceptTouchEvent or onTouchEvent? Jun 02 09:23:35 Hmm let me check.. Jun 02 09:24:25 how to restore a fragment? I mean, I have a fragment displayed, I change it to another fragment, and I want to show again the first fragment Jun 02 09:24:30 but it isn't displayed Jun 02 09:32:22 hm I have a in the developer console a OS Version which means translated "other", does anyone know what google groups under that? Jun 02 10:06:05 android api tells that FragmentTransaction.detach() funcition exists, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/FragmentTransaction.html#detach%28android.app.Fragment%29, but I don't have such a function! Jun 02 10:06:14 how is it possible? Jun 02 10:06:28 hello people Jun 02 10:07:15 is it possible to have string resources in multiple strings.xml files? for example strings_subSysOne.xml strings_subSysTwo.xml ..etc ? Jun 02 10:08:07 The method detach(Fragment) is undefined for the type FragmentTransaction Jun 02 10:08:12 eclipse tells Jun 02 10:18:27 i have a composite view that I need to repeat a few times in a layout. between the composite Views only some android:text attributes differ. is there a technique available that allows for concise re-using a composite View like this? Jun 02 10:25:42 HI :) Jun 02 10:33:50 hiya all :) Jun 02 10:33:58 morning Jun 02 10:34:50 i've got an eclipse question: i want to make a lib thats just java and then have an mylib_android.jar depend on that generic mylib.jar Jun 02 10:35:11 en than use that android lib in an app Jun 02 10:35:21 i'll figure it out i guess, all it takes is time Jun 02 10:35:52 but i had my first true opengl es 2.0 SurfaceView a few days ago :)) Jun 02 10:46:14 hey wat al isrequired 4 android development Jun 02 10:46:35 hey what all isrequired for android development??? Jun 02 10:46:42 can anyone help me??? Jun 02 10:51:49 what all? as in what software is required? Jun 02 10:55:16 what do you mean what is required....? simply answered, computer, eclipse or other development program, compiler (included in eclipse) and some knowledge of java, Jun 02 11:00:59 abhisinghal: is the answer ok? Jun 02 11:02:15 SUd hmm acually I am a newbie Jun 02 11:02:38 Sud Ihav started learning java now Jun 02 11:03:08 Can u tell me froem where should i study Java??? Jun 02 11:03:45 abhisinghal: do you know another programing language? how old are you? are you studying computing science or so? Jun 02 11:04:09 yes I am studying computer science Jun 02 11:04:14 Sud Jun 02 11:04:28 Sud I know c and C++ Jun 02 11:04:37 surely Java will be included in your computer sceince course Jun 02 11:04:43 so you know some theory about OOP, that's good Jun 02 11:04:44 yes Jun 02 11:05:05 if not a good way to get some grips are online...let me dig some links out. Jun 02 11:06:00 I want to learn Java and software development Jun 02 11:06:03 what i found most complicated about actual programming is learning the design decisions made by library creators Jun 02 11:06:24 ??? Jun 02 11:06:26 like you need to pass object A to class B, but it could have been pass object B to class A instead Jun 02 11:06:58 nothing special really, learning libraries always takes some time Jun 02 11:07:21 ofcourse it takes Jun 02 11:07:29 http://www.mybringback.com/series/java-2/ Jun 02 11:07:32 i used to think that OOP would make things easier and more intuitive than in C, but things are complicated anyway Jun 02 11:08:12 writing a single line of code may require you to read about 3 classes you never knew of Jun 02 11:08:22 hahaha Jun 02 11:09:03 that's the worst case, other times code is writen fast Jun 02 11:09:10 oop is nothing more or less than tool to manage the complexity. Jun 02 11:09:45 so Java compared to C++ is cleaner, no need to free memory, better strings, more object oriented Jun 02 11:10:02 madmcphil, give me some more links Jun 02 11:10:17 sorry for the talk, i don't know of good sources to learn java Jun 02 11:10:28 nonono Jun 02 11:10:31 I have always respected the book thinking in java Jun 02 11:10:46 alankila, author Jun 02 11:10:47 it starts from the reason why people care about oop in the first place, and is freely available Jun 02 11:10:55 don't remember Jun 02 11:11:02 its first 100 pages are probably worth it for a newcomer Jun 02 11:11:19 i was taught at the university. At that time the most cool you could do with java was a web applet Jun 02 11:12:04 digging for a brilliant link,, just trying to find it... its actually Berkeley university Java lectures. All of them. Brilliant lecturer too Jun 02 11:12:08 let me find Jun 02 11:12:58 I lie... its Stanford....let me find this link Jun 02 11:13:00 lol Jun 02 11:13:23 grate Jun 02 11:13:28 find bro Jun 02 11:15:04 ok Jun 02 11:15:11 28 lectures in video format Jun 02 11:15:12 http://see.stanford.edu/see/lecturelist.aspx?coll=824a47e1-135f-4508-a5aa-866adcae1111 Jun 02 11:16:08 this will get you going... Im no pro... I did my degree in It over 12 years ago...didnt do anything with it...now trying to re-learn Java myself so I can code for android for a past time Jun 02 11:16:57 ohkk Jun 02 11:17:46 also buy a couple of java books. "Just Java2" is a good one Jun 02 11:18:14 not a great fan of java in 24hours.... dont think its explained very well Jun 02 11:18:50 although saying that...there is an app learn java in 24 hours in the android market... its pretty good Jun 02 11:19:15 app is called Java in a day Jun 02 11:47:26 I think ##java recommends Effective Java (among others) Jun 02 11:48:48 I'm trying to refer to a theme from a reference project in my manifest, but it keeps failing. Anyone knows how to do this correctly? Jun 02 11:52:09 Looks like I found it, so never mind answering that previous question. Jun 02 12:21:08 Yay, almost 10% on ≥3.x Jun 02 12:24:24 I have created a seperate java file (Users.class) which holds my user info. I am having a problem with sql. It doesnt recognise openorcreatedatabase? any help? Jun 02 12:24:57 SQLiteDatabase opendb = openOrCreateDatabase(DBaseName, Context.MODE_PRIVATE, null); Jun 02 12:29:57 any help Jun 02 12:34:19 can anyone help? SQLiteDatabase opendb = openOrCreateDatabase(DBaseName, Context.MODE_PRIVATE, null); Jun 02 12:34:56 it works fine if I put it in an Activity class Jun 02 12:35:15 but not on its own file Users.class Jun 02 12:36:14 madmcphil: pass the activity to that method, call method on activity. Also learn java. Jun 02 12:36:34 methods don't just randomly exist in java. If your Users class is not defining it, or inheriting from class that defines it, why are you surprised? Jun 02 12:38:05 ? so your saying that although this Users.class isnt an Activity it should still extend Activity? Jun 02 12:38:10 No. Jun 02 12:38:27 extend Activity if you want it to be an Activity. You probably do not. Jun 02 12:38:51 no I rather it wasnt Jun 02 12:39:31 has anyone had any issues running the emulator with 4.0 and gpu emulation on? the text looks sorta pixelated on mine. Jun 02 12:39:50 can you explain to me a bit differently alankila Jun 02 12:39:55 I am learning java Jun 02 12:40:43 I don't know what to explain. Jun 02 12:40:54 madmcphil: what was your question Jun 02 12:41:35 Say a bound service needs to notify clients (bound activities) of a change in the state of the service. Are there alternatives to using a BroadcastReceiver? Jun 02 12:43:17 mgj: take a look at this -- https://bitbucket.org/alexfu/androidserviceexample/src. I'm not sure if this is the exact answer you are looking for but it sounds similar. Jun 02 12:43:31 thank you Jun 02 12:44:00 ok...let me explain what I am trying to do. I have my activity which displays user info. I built a public class which gets user info from a database and draws charts with the info. I want that class to be in a different file but when I move it out of my activity into a different file it contains errors and openorcreatedatabase is no longer is recognised. Jun 02 12:44:49 yes. And I told you above, to pass the activity to that method so that you can call openOrCreateDatabase on the activity. Jun 02 12:45:08 that should make it work, anyway. Jun 02 12:46:35 ok... thanks need to do some more reading Jun 02 12:46:51 madmcphil: right, so like alankila said, you can pass the Activity to the new class you want to make via the constructor and then use that Activity to get to the database. Jun 02 12:47:40 cheers alexfu.... makes a bit more sense Jun 02 12:47:48 IMHO, if you're just learning Java, you shouldn't be diving into Android, but thats just my opinion. Jun 02 12:48:07 do not store activity in other class, though. Jun 02 12:48:19 cool Jun 02 12:48:22 the objects whose lifecycles are managed by android should not be kept anywhere yourself Jun 02 12:49:25 ok..the reason I was doing it was because I have other activities which would need to use the class I made Jun 02 12:50:07 I thought that was the point of OO being able to re-use code Jun 02 12:50:19 alexfu, i did not know Messenger could be used "both ways" like that, very cool. Currently using a Binder for Activity->Service and BroadcastReceiver for Service->Activity... Its a bit messy compared to what you do in that link, thanks Jun 02 12:50:48 mgj: np. Jun 02 12:53:43 madmcphil: btw, you're using an SQLite database? Jun 02 12:54:51 yep using SqLite Jun 02 12:56:40 madmcphil: have you read this? http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html Jun 02 12:56:55 let me have a loo Jun 02 12:56:56 k Jun 02 13:17:23 I three different(but pretty similar) listview adapters. Is it better to make one which handles all of the three lists, or keep them seperated? Jun 02 13:28:16 hello! I need to compile a kernel module for an Android tablet (ftdi_sio.ko), and I'm having trouble finding documentation on how to do it... would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction? Jun 02 13:32:37 mansfeld: compile it like any other kernel module - grab the appropriate cross compiler, the kernel sources of the tablet in question, and voila Jun 02 13:33:55 thanks p_l, I'll see what I can do Jun 02 13:35:24 hey all, admob issue here. An app that was getting several thousand daily requests suddenly always gets onFailedToReceiveAd(), claiming lack of ad inventory. and this basically after exaclty 1 month of uptime. any ideas? Jun 02 13:41:15 contacting admob support would be a good idea. Jun 02 13:47:46 readme: I don't know, it seems to happen to others sometimes too, but still seems strange having no filters installed. Just wanted to see if some of you had a similar issue. I'll contact them tomorrow if things persist. Jun 02 13:54:38 ctate: sup yo Jun 02 14:01:26 JakeWharton Jun 02 14:22:36 any idea how to set the padding of a gradient drawable programmatically? Jun 02 14:37:59 Hi, I'm trying to create app which uses C2DM. Now it's registered under my personal accound and I don't want store my password on application server. Any suggestions? Jun 02 14:38:43 Make a dedicated C2DM account Jun 02 14:38:48 create a differnet account? Jun 02 14:38:49 independant of anything else Jun 02 15:01:12 anyone here have experience with bluetooth RFCOMM? Jun 02 15:04:51 Uru: Ages Beyond Myst Jun 02 15:06:50 Hiraghm: Indeed Jun 02 15:07:45 something I can't figure out; if I have a custom data file in /assets or /res/raw, and I want to read the data in, do I have to decompress it first? Jun 02 15:08:11 (how about if I want to read the data in C++?) Jun 02 15:13:11 Hiraghm: no, you should be able to just read them Jun 02 15:13:24 Hiraghm: I have no idea how/if you can read them from C++. Jun 02 15:32:21 if i register a click-handler method using the android:onClick attribute in xml is there a way to determine the click position in the View passed as parameter? Jun 02 15:34:53 maybe the state of the click is saved and accessible somewhere unrelated Jun 02 15:36:50 tapas: no, you have to set a TouchListener Jun 02 15:36:58 evancharlton: ah, too bad.. Jun 02 15:37:02 you can get it from the MotionEvent Jun 02 15:37:13 yeah, i was thinking about avoiding that :D Jun 02 15:37:17 but will go that route then Jun 02 15:41:59 well poop Jun 02 15:43:51 hi guys, i would like to know if it is possible to add a fragment to the backstack and make it pop again using certain calls even if it is not on the top of the stack Jun 02 15:44:15 is it a prerequisite to restore the fragment if and only if it is on the top of the backstack? Jun 02 15:51:25 ocx: hm, it appears that way Jun 02 15:51:44 it seems weird that you can't remove from the backstack but that's probably intentional for some reason Jun 02 15:52:18 i need to pop all the fragments above before reaching the fragment i would like to use? Jun 02 15:52:25 thats a bit illogical Jun 02 15:52:33 * evancharlton shrugs Jun 02 15:53:28 ok what i am trying to do is the following, maybe you can provide me an alternative approach Jun 02 15:55:45 i have a main bar at the bottom of the screen (a fragment) where you have 3 buttons, above the fragment is a framelayout which inflates a fragments everytime a button is pressed, now i want the state of each fragment to be saved each time the user is switching between the different fragments being creates on the different button clicks Jun 02 15:55:54 any idea whay a fragmenttransaction.replace doesn't actually replace? seems like the existing fragment doesn't detach. Jun 02 15:56:01 i'm getting overlaying Jun 02 15:56:20 b1n0ry: are you commiting? Jun 02 15:56:24 yes Jun 02 15:56:34 fighting with fragments too Jun 02 15:56:57 not only that, but i can't seem to get the previous instance of a fragment to remember that it's a different instance than the new instance of the fragment... Jun 02 15:57:24 so when they click back to go up the back stack, the "old" fragment, although in the right backstack position, shows the "new" fragment content. Jun 02 15:57:27 i am pushing into the backstack the fragment each time it is displayed in the framelayout, now i need a way to restore it back when the user pressed again the button which should restore that fragment Jun 02 15:57:32 (i'm using the same fragment class) Jun 02 15:58:08 b1n0ry: try pushin ginto the backstack and use the back button as a first step Jun 02 15:58:44 not sure what you mean by that Jun 02 15:59:14 i'm trying to use a listfragment to build a recursive drill-through Jun 02 15:59:37 select item a, it shows the children for item a. select one of the children, it shows its children, and so on. Jun 02 15:59:44 until they finally get to a node that doesn't have children Jun 02 16:00:02 in which case it instantiates a whole new activity Jun 02 16:00:17 (it's a chapter/heading/subheading browser for an ebook reader) Jun 02 16:01:17 i may switch for this particular piece to using a list activity instead of a list fragment. didn't seem to have these issues when i was doing that. Jun 02 16:08:49