**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 03 02:59:59 2012
Jun 03 03:01:06 <canadiancow> wtf JakeWharton it's working now =\
Jun 03 03:02:34 <canadiancow> oh if it has a share history, it works
Jun 03 03:11:36 <canadiancow> hey jake, i think i fixed it :)
Jun 03 03:11:41 <canadiancow> JakeWharton*
Jun 03 03:11:43 <Tumuu> hey
Jun 03 03:11:52 <Tumuu> can someone help me with some android java app please
Jun 03 03:11:58 <Tumuu> im very confused atm
Jun 03 03:11:59 <Jug6ernaut> canadicancow https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jug6ernaut.util.ldn new app :D
Jun 03 03:11:59 <Tumuu> and stuck
Jun 03 03:12:15 <Jug6ernaut> Tumuu just ask your question
Jun 03 03:12:16 <canadiancow> fancy
Jun 03 03:12:18 <Tumuu> oh
Jun 03 03:12:25 <Tumuu> well i need to show the person whats going on
Jun 03 03:12:30 <Tumuu> kinda hard to explain
Jun 03 03:12:33 <Jug6ernaut> canadicancow only bc of abs lol
Jun 03 03:13:05 <Jug6ernaut> without it, it would look like crap
Jun 03 03:13:13 <canadiancow> JakeWharton does the bug exist in android? or only abs
Jun 03 03:13:16 <Tumuu> Jug6ernaut, if u could help me, mind viewing my desktop and i can show u whats going on
Jun 03 03:13:52 <Jug6ernaut> :\ sure screen shot it
Jun 03 03:13:58 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: both
Jun 03 03:14:03 <canadiancow> oh goody
Jun 03 03:14:08 <canadiancow> so i should subimt a PR to both of you then ;)
Jun 03 03:14:11 <Tumuu> well let me pastebin a code
Jun 03 03:14:13 <Tumuu> and ss
Jun 03 03:14:19 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: ABS first
Jun 03 03:14:21 <JakeWharton> i merge quicker
Jun 03 03:14:25 <canadiancow> :)
Jun 03 03:14:27 <JakeWharton> and release quicker
Jun 03 03:14:31 <canadiancow> ABS also doesnt require i switch computers
Jun 03 03:14:33 <canadiancow> (im on windows)
Jun 03 03:14:36 <canadiancow> so yea, abs first :)
Jun 03 03:14:41 <Jug6ernaut> abs ftw
Jun 03 03:14:46 <JakeWharton> \o/
Jun 03 03:14:50 * Jug6ernaut thanks JakeWharton
Jun 03 03:14:59 <Jug6ernaut> you make my apps not look like crap :)
Jun 03 03:16:42 <JakeWharton> that's what i'm here for
Jun 03 03:17:27 <canadiancow> JakeWharton what branch should i be working against?
Jun 03 03:27:23 <canadiancow> oh JakeWharton, whatever would you do without me
Jun 03 03:28:59 <b1n0ry> probably the same thing he's doing right now, i would guess
Jun 03 03:47:07 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: you verified this fix with both modes?
Jun 03 03:47:20 <t0mless> that ShareActionProvider bug was really just a layout error?
Jun 03 03:47:21 <canadiancow> both...oh
Jun 03 03:47:22 <canadiancow> i get it
Jun 03 03:47:24 <canadiancow> no
Jun 03 03:47:26 <canadiancow> no i did not
Jun 03 03:47:29 <JakeWharton> ok
Jun 03 03:47:30 <JakeWharton> i
Jun 03 03:47:31 <JakeWharton> am
Jun 03 03:47:32 <canadiancow> oh wait
Jun 03 03:47:34 <canadiancow> yes i did
Jun 03 03:47:34 <JakeWharton> fuck colloquy
Jun 03 03:47:36 <canadiancow> on my tablet
Jun 03 03:47:45 <JakeWharton> and the selector was still the full height?
Jun 03 03:47:52 <canadiancow> the selector?
Jun 03 03:48:22 <JakeWharton> the background
Jun 03 03:48:36 <canadiancow> define "the full height"
Jun 03 03:48:45 <JakeWharton> ?attr/actionBarSize
Jun 03 03:48:54 <canadiancow> oh the actionbar?
Jun 03 03:48:55 <JakeWharton> it's the wrong size
Jun 03 03:49:25 <JakeWharton> it's style needs a minHeight = ?attr/actionBarSize or something
Jun 03 03:50:11 <canadiancow> i dont think i understand what youre talking about
Jun 03 03:50:13 <JakeWharton> http://i.imgur.com/uxAT9.png
Jun 03 03:50:20 <JakeWharton> it's too short
Jun 03 03:52:01 <canadiancow> twss
Jun 03 03:52:12 <Snuupy> sup, can
Jun 03 03:52:14 <Snuupy> canadiancow*
Jun 03 03:53:27 <JakeWharton> I fixed it cow
Jun 03 03:53:33 <canadiancow> link plox
Jun 03 03:53:47 <JakeWharton> hmm
Jun 03 03:53:48 <JakeWharton> maybe not
Jun 03 03:53:50 <JakeWharton> almost
Jun 03 03:53:52 <canadiancow> fack
Jun 03 03:53:54 <JakeWharton> i fucking hate how they wrote this
Jun 03 03:55:31 <JakeWharton> alright
Jun 03 03:55:36 <JakeWharton> my fix requires a change in their 9-patches
Jun 03 03:55:39 <JakeWharton> because they're wrong
Jun 03 03:56:19 <canadiancow> should i abandon the change i submitted to aosp then
Jun 03 03:56:33 <JakeWharton> yeah it's not enough unfortunately
Jun 03 03:57:02 <canadiancow> ffs
Jun 03 03:57:09 <canadiancow> so im not having an issue because i have other action items?
Jun 03 03:57:12 <canadiancow> does that make sense?
Jun 03 03:57:18 <JakeWharton> yes
Jun 03 03:57:22 <JakeWharton> because they are dictating the height
Jun 03 03:57:41 <JakeWharton> but when the share action provider is the only item it's not tall enough
Jun 03 03:57:45 <canadiancow> when i opened it in hierarchy viewer it was really obvious where the main problem was
Jun 03 03:57:55 <canadiancow> because from the top down it was wrap wrap wrap wrap match
Jun 03 03:58:13 <JakeWharton> all the others have minHeight = ?attr/actionBarSize on them though
Jun 03 03:58:27 <JakeWharton> which you can apply to this style but then the background is borked
Jun 03 03:58:30 <canadiancow> but that doesnt fix it?
Jun 03 03:58:57 <JakeWharton> let me see if i can get GIMP to not explode on this
Jun 03 04:00:15 <JakeWharton> i'm requesting photoshop on Monday
Jun 03 04:07:57 <canadiancow> fuck my tablet wotn turn its fucking screen off
Jun 03 04:08:00 <canadiancow> if its plugged in
Jun 03 04:08:01 <canadiancow> and off
Jun 03 04:08:35 <canadiancow> i had dinner with a friend tonight. she said "you dont like apple much do you? so you probably dont have an ipad?" "no...i have an android tablet" and she burst out laughing
Jun 03 04:10:37 <JakeWharton> did you punch her in the dick?
Jun 03 04:11:39 <canadiancow> lol
Jun 03 04:11:39 <canadiancow> no
Jun 03 04:11:47 <canadiancow> wow there was a shooting at a mall near my office
Jun 03 04:11:50 <canadiancow> fuck
Jun 03 04:14:31 <Gambit-> anyone know of any games that automatically share savefiles amongst multiple devices?
Jun 03 04:18:54 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there any other way to set the gravity of an ImageView inside a RelativeLayout other than android:layout_gravity?
Jun 03 04:20:27 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Because android:layout_gravity="center" isn't centering my image
Jun 03 04:20:47 <JakeWharton> does RelativeLayout even honor gravity?
Jun 03 04:20:56 <JakeWharton> i thought that was only FrameLayout and LinearLayout
Jun 03 04:21:04 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah I'm thinking no haha
Jun 03 04:21:12 <JakeWharton> what do that docs say?
Jun 03 04:21:14 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I think that is my problem, I did just find something that might work
Jun 03 04:21:26 <T-Dub|DlolPics> ha figured it out for relative layout
Jun 03 04:21:28 <t0mless> android:layout_centerInParent or something
Jun 03 04:21:35 <T-Dub|DlolPics> layout_centerHorizontal
Jun 03 04:21:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> for that
Jun 03 04:21:45 <t0mless> oh yea
Jun 03 04:21:46 <t0mless> that
Jun 03 04:21:49 <T-Dub|DlolPics> well, I want horizontal, there is also a vertical one
Jun 03 04:22:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks guys.
Jun 03 04:35:37 <JakeWharton> I hate you cow
Jun 03 04:45:00 <t0mless> I know right
Jun 03 04:45:03 <t0mless> he's so mean
Jun 03 04:45:41 <JakeWharton> making me work on a Saturday night
Jun 03 04:48:25 <Tumuu> yo
Jun 03 04:51:09 <JakeWharton> oy
Jun 03 04:55:05 <amoxibos> i have sharedprefwerences, but i need to initalize them upon installation before my frist activity starts? and then after they are initalized these initial values are never called except if uninstall-install happens again - how?
Jun 03 04:59:55 <QubeZ> amoxibos: why do that? when you read in a preference that *should* be there but isn't, you can set a default value for your SharedPref object
Jun 03 05:00:12 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So I'm on the developer console right now, adding my very first app and I see this "This application is available to over 0 devices."
Jun 03 05:00:16 <QubeZ> i.e. getString(key, defaultValue);
Jun 03 05:00:31 <T-Dub|DlolPics> This to me implies that no one can use my app haha, has anyone else gotten that before?
Jun 03 05:00:44 <QubeZ> mine said that too
Jun 03 05:01:13 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Alright thanks. Just verifying I didn't fuck something up in the manifest
Jun 03 05:01:27 <QubeZ> after you publish it, it'll show up
Jun 03 05:01:35 <T-Dub|DlolPics> oh I see what happened
Jun 03 05:01:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> under the apk I had to "activate" the apk I uploaded
Jun 03 05:01:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> now it says 1273 devices
Jun 03 05:01:53 <QubeZ> ya, activate
Jun 03 05:02:02 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I tried to publish and it said I needed a apk haha
Jun 03 05:02:18 <amoxibos> aha aha
Jun 03 05:02:39 <amoxibos> QubeZ, thanks
Jun 03 05:04:57 <JakeWharton> i hate you cow
Jun 03 05:05:29 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there a pending period once you upload an app?
Jun 03 05:05:43 <QubeZ> sometimes 15 mins, sometimes more...
Jun 03 05:06:16 <T-Dub|DlolPics> gotcha, but it doesn't actually tell you
Jun 03 05:06:26 <T-Dub|DlolPics> because it say published, but as I assumed, I can't find it in the market.
Jun 03 05:06:39 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Would assume they would have it like "pending" untill it was truely active.
Jun 03 05:06:46 <QubeZ> ya it takes time, be patient
Jun 03 05:06:49 <QubeZ> what app is it?
Jun 03 05:06:54 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It's a soundboard
Jun 03 05:07:02 <QubeZ> name of app?
Jun 03 05:07:03 <T-Dub|DlolPics> For a youtuber named DamItsGood808
Jun 03 05:07:11 <T-Dub|DlolPics> "DamItsGood808 Soundboard"
Jun 03 05:07:16 <T-Dub|DlolPics> should be com.tdubstudios.soundboard.damitsgood
Jun 03 05:07:38 <QubeZ> k
Jun 03 05:07:43 <QubeZ> willl keep an eye
Jun 03 05:08:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks.
Jun 03 05:10:13 <QubeZ> is it free?
Jun 03 05:11:35 <amoxibos> QubeZ, this is my main activity: http://bpaste.net/show/MudvP4xBqm9ISsUrPurD/ - i have turn on trn off radio group buttons which i save to preferences,
Jun 03 05:11:38 <amoxibos> i do this in onCreate
Jun 03 05:11:54 <amoxibos> but when i leave the app and start it again, my prefs are reset to defaults
Jun 03 05:11:57 <amoxibos> what am i doing wrong?
Jun 03 05:12:45 <JakeWharton> not calling .commit()?
Jun 03 05:12:58 <QubeZ> he's getting, not setting
Jun 03 05:13:28 <QubeZ> in onCreate
Jun 03 05:13:45 <QubeZ> actually wait, ya i get what you're looking at
Jun 03 05:14:15 <QubeZ> amoxibos: whats not working? the first part where you read the preferences or when you set? if its when you set -- then what JakeWharton said
Jun 03 05:14:33 <QubeZ> oh fuck im so tired, nvm... he's doing commit JakeWharton
Jun 03 05:14:52 <amoxibos> its when i set new prefs, and then while im in the app it stays set, if i leave the app and start it again, all prefs are reset to defaults
Jun 03 05:14:56 <QubeZ> why would you finish your main activity? that would kick the user out of your app
Jun 03 05:15:09 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yes it is free QubeZ.
Jun 03 05:17:00 <QubeZ> amoxibos: I've never seen Editor editor = preferences.edit(); used before.. I use SharedPreferences.Editor editor = preferences.edit();
Jun 03 05:17:39 <QubeZ> im guess there arent two and your Editor is the sharedprefs one
Jun 03 05:17:49 <amoxibos> android.content.SharedPreferences.Editor
Jun 03 05:17:55 <amoxibos> thats what it sais
Jun 03 05:17:58 <amoxibos> when i move my mouse over
Jun 03 05:17:59 <amoxibos> it
Jun 03 05:18:00 <QubeZ> ok
Jun 03 05:18:16 <t0mless> all depends on how it's imported
Jun 03 05:18:49 <QubeZ> yea, i can't see anything wrong with that code
Jun 03 05:19:24 <t0mless> what mode is mode 0? MODE_PRIVATE?
Jun 03 05:19:35 <QubeZ> t0mless: ya
Jun 03 05:21:32 <t0mless> must be wherever you're setting these other preferences
Jun 03 05:24:01 <t0mless> amoxibos you gotta be more specific of what's going on. Not to mention I have no idea why you're having a radio group onclick end the activity
Jun 03 05:24:50 <t0mless> or why you save both states of on/off
Jun 03 05:25:09 <t0mless> I am making the assumption that they are in the same radio group and so can never be checked at the same time
Jun 03 05:25:21 <amoxibos> well i dont save both states, i save their boolean values, so whatever their boolean value is it will get saved
Jun 03 05:25:34 <t0mless> I mean, why are you saving both
Jun 03 05:25:40 <t0mless> if one is true, the other must be false
Jun 03 05:26:11 <t0mless> would be easier to just save one value and set the radio group accordingly
Jun 03 05:26:11 <amoxibos> here is layout for that activity: http://bpaste.net/show/J93wLkNM0b6HNMKK96yf/
Jun 03 05:26:49 <t0mless> you don't need a textview for the radio buttons either
Jun 03 05:26:59 <t0mless> you can set android:text on the radio button itself to give it a label
Jun 03 05:27:33 <Tumuu> u can load up ubuntu on android right
Jun 03 05:27:36 <t0mless> you should be using an RadioGroup.OnCheckedChangedListener
Jun 03 05:27:52 <t0mless> then save what the checked state of the group is
Jun 03 05:28:30 <t0mless> then just do RadioGroup.check(viewID) to set whichever button to be checked you want
Jun 03 05:28:53 <amoxibos> t0mless, thanks, let me try
Jun 03 05:28:54 <t0mless> like store 0 for off and 1 for on
Jun 03 05:29:22 <t0mless> then you could even just have an array of your static ids
Jun 03 05:29:29 <t0mless> er
Jun 03 05:29:31 <t0mless> view ids
Jun 03 05:30:04 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: fixed
Jun 03 05:30:05 <JakeWharton> on dev
Jun 03 05:30:20 * t0mless high fives JakeWharton and goes to watch more Doctor Who
Jun 03 05:30:34 <JakeWharton> thanks for making me work on a Saturday night, asshole
Jun 03 05:30:44 <JakeWharton> have a nice day :D
Jun 03 05:38:18 <giantpune> hi, i have a question about debugging.  i have the basic hello-world here and i set a breakpoint and ran it.  the program has stopped at the breakpoint (it is not yet showing "hello world").  where in eclipse is the button to step out of the breakpoint and let it continue?
Jun 03 05:38:44 <t0mless> look in the debug perspective
Jun 03 05:38:56 <giantpune> where would one find that?
Jun 03 05:39:07 <t0mless> top right normally
Jun 03 05:39:19 <t0mless> or you can do window->perspective or something
Jun 03 05:39:27 <t0mless> I forget all the eclipse menus
Jun 03 05:40:26 <giantpune> ok, i got the debug perspective up.  wheres the button to skip the breakpoint? :D
Jun 03 05:40:50 <t0mless> they're next to the continue button
Jun 03 05:40:55 <t0mless> step over, step into, etc
Jun 03 05:41:24 <calamari> hi. My application has an OptionsMenu (created using MenuInflater, etc). I'm curious if there is a way to open the menu programmatically?
Jun 03 05:45:05 <giantpune> if i use System.out.printf("Hello terminal\n" );, does that get sent from my phone to any screen in the eclipse debugger?
Jun 03 05:45:05 <calamari> ahh.. openOptionsMenu()  :)
Jun 03 05:46:48 <giantpune> ahh.  i found it.  it got buried benieth a whole bunch of other debugging text spew
Jun 03 05:47:07 <T-Dub|DlolPics> You can use Log
Jun 03 05:47:25 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Log.i("activity","text");
Jun 03 05:50:03 <giantpune> hmm.  do i have to import anything for Log.i() to work?  its giving me an error
Jun 03 05:51:01 <t0mless> the Log class
Jun 03 05:51:07 <t0mless> the android one, not the sql one
Jun 03 05:52:25 <pragma-> s/activity/tag/
Jun 03 05:52:42 <t0mless> Indeed
Jun 03 05:52:43 <pragma-> T-Dub|DlolPics: your name is the dumbest one I've seen in all my years of internet.
Jun 03 05:53:02 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Um, ok.
Jun 03 05:53:39 <pragma-> It'd be slightly less dumb if you chose one of those
Jun 03 05:54:11 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I couldn't care less what you think.
Jun 03 05:56:14 <pragma-> Then again, it'd be nice if more dumb people in the real world would have such a warning sign plastered on their forehead
Jun 03 05:56:28 <pragma-> Keep up the good work
Jun 03 06:00:54 <QubeZ> T-Dub|DlolPics: your app is sure taking its time to get on the play store =)
Jun 03 06:01:10 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I've noticed :(
Jun 03 06:01:25 <Borillion> anyone seen or hear anything about HSO for usb ?
Jun 03 06:01:37 <Borillion> usb modem to be exact
Jun 03 06:02:43 <giantpune> ok, so i see here in my helloWorld project that there is a .apk.  am i right in assuming that i would give that to somebody to run my program on their android thingymabob?
Jun 03 06:02:59 <giantpune> (tm)
Jun 03 06:03:03 <QubeZ> giantpune: yes
Jun 03 06:03:04 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yes, that is unsigned though giantpune
Jun 03 06:03:29 <QubeZ> T-Dub|DlolPics: not necessarily, he might have exported a signed version
Jun 03 06:03:57 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I thought if you exported a signed version, you specify the file location.
Jun 03 06:04:09 <T-Dub|DlolPics> And assuming he didn't choose the bin folder to export it.
Jun 03 06:04:22 <QubeZ> true but you never know
Jun 03 06:04:57 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Fair enough.
Jun 03 06:05:43 <T-Dub|DlolPics> QubeZ what is going on.
Jun 03 06:05:58 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I can see my app in search results, but if I go to the direct url w\ my package name it says not found.
Jun 03 06:06:13 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Everything I read said that your package name direct url will show up before search results lol
Jun 03 06:06:34 <QubeZ> google play is like that --- inconsistent
Jun 03 06:06:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Gotcha.
Jun 03 06:06:41 <QubeZ> it'll take a bit for it to all sync up
Jun 03 06:07:05 <T-Dub|DlolPics> And I assumed it would. I'm sure hundreds/thousands of other people submitted apps the same time I did.
Jun 03 06:07:13 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I just assumed it would say "pending" instead of published.
Jun 03 06:07:55 <QubeZ> well, that console is from the developers perspective.. not google's
Jun 03 06:08:04 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Gotcha.
Jun 03 06:08:11 <QubeZ> "you have published your app and now are awaiting Google's push"
Jun 03 06:08:13 <QubeZ> essentially
Jun 03 06:08:42 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Weird. I can see the app in the play store on my device. I can search for it and see it on my browser. But when I click it to view the direct link it doesn't show up. Few more mins :o?
Jun 03 06:09:05 <QubeZ> Play Store is a big pile of hot shit, by the way
Jun 03 06:09:15 <giantpune> ok, so i setup a keystore and exported a signed apk.  will either one of them run on another phone than mine?  what cool benifits does being signed give me aside from keeping somebody from tampering with my program?
Jun 03 06:09:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Haha that's a first. Tried to download it and it said "The item you were attempting to purchase could not be found."
Jun 03 06:09:50 <QubeZ> giantpune: both unsigned and signed will run but in both cases, the oher device needs to have "unknown sources" checked so they can install apps outside of the Play Store
Jun 03 06:09:54 <t0mless> you have to use a signed app to publish to the market giantpune
Jun 03 06:10:14 <t0mless> that's about the only "benefit"
Jun 03 06:10:29 <t0mless> and the debug key expires faster
Jun 03 06:10:41 <giantpune> im pretty sure nobody out there wants hello world put on the market
Jun 03 06:10:52 <t0mless> Indeed
Jun 03 06:11:15 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well thanks for your help QubeZ. Hopefully it will be up when I wake up. Night.
Jun 03 06:11:30 <QubeZ> ya it should be, night
Jun 03 06:16:16 <pragma-> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=hello+world&c=apps
Jun 03 06:16:25 <pragma-> there are tons of them
Jun 03 06:16:47 <pragma-> with, like, reviews and stuff
Jun 03 06:19:14 <t0mless> what. the. fuck.
Jun 03 06:19:24 <t0mless> My god... people are idiots.
Jun 03 06:19:56 <giantpune> "Another great app! Never crashes, does what it says...without ads!"
Jun 03 06:20:06 <QubeZ> and no icon or anything lol.. too funny
Jun 03 06:20:11 <QubeZ> that is what is wrong with the Play Store
Jun 03 06:20:22 <pragma-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.shuri.yamanetoshi.helloworld <-- tons of people "also installed" tons of other hello worlds
Jun 03 06:20:41 <pragma-> 1,000-5,000 installs
Jun 03 06:21:42 <t0mless> It would be hillaroius if there was a paid Hello, World app with 1,000 downloads
Jun 03 06:23:07 <p_l|backup> well, there was an app for what could be considered hello world in playing with rendering
Jun 03 06:23:18 <p_l|backup> the infamous "I am Rich" app for iOS
Jun 03 06:24:13 <pragma-> some of these 5 star reviews are hilarious, though
Jun 03 06:24:24 <pragma-> then the 1 star reviews ...
Jun 03 06:24:29 <QubeZ> p_l|backup: that was just genius
Jun 03 06:24:37 <p_l|backup> QubeZ: yeah
Jun 03 06:24:40 <QubeZ> surprised that Apple allowed it but very genius idea
Jun 03 06:24:49 <QubeZ> big part of selling apps is catering to people's ego
Jun 03 06:24:52 <p_l|backup> QubeZ: they tried to pull it later
Jun 03 06:24:52 <QubeZ> and that one hit it
Jun 03 06:25:10 <p_l|backup> but I think the scale of money involved overwhelmed the crew :D
Jun 03 06:25:25 <QubeZ> hah
Jun 03 06:25:30 <QubeZ> 30% of that $1000 app
Jun 03 06:25:34 <QubeZ> i think it was $1000
Jun 03 06:25:53 <p_l|backup> something like that
Jun 03 06:26:10 <p_l|backup> pretty sure the guy ended with over half a million from it (after taxes et.)
Jun 03 06:27:20 <calamari> t0mless: thanks for mentioning the debug key expiration.. I forgot I needed to create a new one with longer term
Jun 03 06:28:03 <QubeZ> p_l|backup: looks like only $5k
Jun 03 06:28:10 <QubeZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich <-- if this is correct
Jun 03 06:29:58 <p_l|backup> ehhh
Jun 03 06:30:00 <p_l|backup> pity
Jun 03 06:30:10 <calamari> t0mless: actually, before I mess with this.. as I understand it the debug key is valid for 365 days.. if someone tries to use my app in 366 days, what happens?
Jun 03 06:30:13 <QubeZ> not bad for a day on the app store hehe
Jun 03 06:49:23 <Ologn> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiaoxiaofeng.iamrichwhite
Jun 03 06:49:36 <Ologn> Over 5 $130 sales...an Android status symbol
Jun 03 06:50:46 <Ologn> 5 or more rather
Jun 03 06:53:01 <Zider> heh.. and blue diamond is free
Jun 03 07:17:23 <QubeZ> is there a way to delete an app of your dev console after you've unpublished it?
Jun 03 07:17:27 <QubeZ> i had a package name change
Jun 03 07:19:33 <Tricknology> hey all, how would one push a notification to a specific phone or phones?
Jun 03 07:19:42 <Tricknology> … from a web app
Jun 03 07:19:50 <QubeZ> Tricknology: C2DM
Jun 03 07:20:33 <Tricknology> must use google?
Jun 03 07:20:45 <QubeZ> or free/paid version of urbanairship
Jun 03 07:22:40 <Tricknology> how feasible, battery wise, is it to check a server every couple minutes?
Jun 03 07:22:52 <QubeZ> polling is dumb to do
Jun 03 07:23:08 <Tricknology> thats waht i thought
Jun 03 07:23:31 <Tricknology> so no other creative way?
Jun 03 07:24:10 <Tricknology> fuck it, i got it
Jun 03 07:24:37 <Zider> mind the language
Jun 03 07:31:25 <Tricknology> my fault..
Jun 03 07:31:39 <Tricknology> how would one "route" sms messages to different applications?
Jun 03 07:34:12 <QubeZ> that is such a general question -- go google that one
Jun 03 07:35:03 <JakeWharton> QubeZ: you can unpublish
Jun 03 07:35:05 <JakeWharton> ed
Jun 03 07:35:11 <JakeWharton> i hate colloquy so hard
Jun 03 07:35:25 <QubeZ> yea i unpublished... but I want it off my console view
Jun 03 07:36:11 <JakeWharton> ah, probably not
Jun 03 07:36:12 <JakeWharton> i
Jun 03 07:36:17 <JakeWharton> i have like 50 unpublished apps
Jun 03 07:36:21 <QubeZ> figured -- wow
Jun 03 07:36:36 <QubeZ> i made a app name change and so package name changed... i uploaded new and want the old one outta my face ;)
Jun 03 07:37:25 <JakeWharton> just change its name to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jun 03 07:37:33 <JakeWharton> then it'll be last
Jun 03 07:38:00 <g00s> oh, this is great … from the verge "Google will host its annual Google I/O developer conference and we'll be there. Actually, we'll be there with the following question on our minds: what exactly happened to that committee that was going to figure out how to distribute timely Android OS updates for 18 months after a device's release?"
Jun 03 07:38:13 <QubeZ> JakeWharton: ok, i'll take that.. thanks
Jun 03 07:38:52 <g00s> it would be funny if the person gets up to the mike and says, him i'm the verge"
Jun 03 07:38:54 <QubeZ> my Moto Razr still doesn't have ICS, not Google's fault I know but I have this top notch expensive phone and still running Gingerbread, wtf
Jun 03 07:39:08 <QubeZ> I bought an iPhone last week *dont flame, its for dev*
Jun 03 07:39:17 <JakeWharton> That would be Motos fault
Jun 03 07:39:22 <JakeWharton> and your carrier
Jun 03 07:39:31 <g00s> GB increased share last month ?
Jun 03 07:39:34 <QubeZ> right
Jun 03 07:39:36 <g00s> hehe
Jun 03 07:39:36 <QubeZ> still lame though
Jun 03 07:39:51 <JakeWharton> why wouldn't it?
Jun 03 07:40:08 <QubeZ> moto is owned by Google now so I still blame Google
Jun 03 07:40:17 <g00s> is that official yet ?
Jun 03 07:40:21 <JakeWharton> actually that only happened last week
Jun 03 07:40:28 <JakeWharton> so blame Motorolla
Jun 03 07:40:36 <g00s> i dout much is going to come of that really
Jun 03 07:40:42 <g00s> they just neede dthe patents
Jun 03 07:40:50 <QubeZ> *nod*
Jun 03 07:41:02 <JakeWharton> plus that's the kind of phone I wouldn't expect to be updated
Jun 03 07:41:51 <QubeZ> why not?
Jun 03 07:42:26 <g00s> so of the 7% percent ICS share - some of thet would be CM, right ?
Jun 03 07:42:41 <JakeWharton> 1. Verizon   2. It's a well-known and flashy brand designed to flock users to it   3. Motorolla
Jun 03 07:43:11 <QubeZ> I dont understand. You're stating that you dont think the RAZR would get updated?
Jun 03 07:43:16 <g00s> plus the pie chart doesn't account for all the amazon garbage floating around, since it doesn't access play
Jun 03 07:43:20 <JakeWharton> not in a timely manner, no
Jun 03 07:43:30 <JakeWharton> it'll always be 4-6 months behind if not more
Jun 03 07:43:47 <QubeZ> JakeWharton: That makes no sense. The most popular, flashy phones get delayed updates?
Jun 03 07:43:50 <QubeZ> what a mess
Jun 03 07:43:55 <JakeWharton> correct
Jun 03 07:44:16 <JakeWharton> have you never heard the phrase "if it's not broke don't fix it?"
Jun 03 07:44:37 <QubeZ> Updates shouldn't be handled with that type of mentality.
Jun 03 07:44:44 <QubeZ> not for mobile, maybe desktop
Jun 03 07:44:56 <JakeWharton> well of course I agree with you on that
Jun 03 07:45:06 <JakeWharton> but neither an OEM nor a carrier would
Jun 03 07:45:16 <QubeZ> anyhow, its not my primary phone anymore so im not upset as I was a week ago =)
Jun 03 07:45:25 <QubeZ> ya verizon is always late, pair that up with moto and its worse
Jun 03 07:45:38 <g00s> QubeZ: what did you get next ?
Jun 03 07:45:45 <g00s> hopefully a nexus device :)
Jun 03 07:46:01 <QubeZ> iphone 4s -- starting to port To Do Mapr to iOS
Jun 03 07:46:11 <g00s> ah, yeah need hw for gps
Jun 03 07:46:17 <QubeZ> so needed a dev phone but decided to kick my data plan over to it so I can test as I port
Jun 03 07:46:24 <JakeWharton> should've waited 3 weeks
Jun 03 07:46:27 <g00s> actually, i remember when the ios sim only showed one location, i guess now its more sane
Jun 03 07:46:30 <JakeWharton> the 4S is about to drop $100 in price
Jun 03 07:46:41 <QubeZ> im not worried about it
Jun 03 07:47:01 <g00s> QubeZ: it will be interesting to see the sales comparison
Jun 03 07:47:03 <JakeWharton> eBay is about to be overloaded with 4S' from the Bay area hipsters
Jun 03 07:47:18 <g00s> QubeZ: but warning … it takes a LOT of effort to market on iOS
Jun 03 07:48:09 <QubeZ> Everyone I've shown the app too is asking if there is an iOS version avail -- thus my stepping up now to start porting it. I was going to wait until the web service was in place but they are going to be dev'd in parallel.
Jun 03 07:48:12 <JakeWharton> s/iOS/any platform in the history of platforms since the dawn of time/
Jun 03 07:48:47 <QubeZ> I am curious about the download rate though... right now its going pretty slow - Rel on March 9th and up to 700 dl's
Jun 03 07:48:47 <pragma-> pft, activision is still charging full price for cod4
Jun 03 07:49:21 <g00s> JakeWharton: no, people discover apps slightly differently in iTunes then for android play
Jun 03 07:49:34 <g00s> differences in way the ranking happens, the way searching works, etc
Jun 03 07:49:42 <g00s> of course, some similarities in marketing
Jun 03 07:49:50 <g00s> like using social media, having epople review the apps, etc
Jun 03 07:49:53 <JakeWharton> you're validating my statement
Jun 03 07:50:11 <g00s> i didn't mean to :)
Jun 03 07:50:14 <g00s> because i wasn't
Jun 03 07:50:28 <QubeZ> I'm not really too worried about whether its more popular on Android or iOS, I just want to double my chances of people consuming the web service $15/yr -- since the app is free.
Jun 03 07:50:30 <g00s> there are differences in marking an android and ios ap
Jun 03 07:51:09 <JakeWharton> so they're both a lot of effort then due to their differences?
Jun 03 07:51:09 <pragma-> marking
Jun 03 07:51:25 <g00s> *marketing
Jun 03 07:51:54 <JakeWharton> *markingeting
Jun 03 07:53:45 <g00s> fuck, i have this kindle ebook with a screwy font and no way to change it
Jun 03 07:54:02 <pragma-> g00s: for $5 I will roll in honey and feathers and sing a song about your app.
Jun 03 07:54:03 <g00s> i'm amazed kindle for mac does not allow one to change the typeface
Jun 03 07:54:20 <JakeWharton> pragma-: are you on fiverr.com?
Jun 03 07:54:23 <pragma-> heh
Jun 03 07:54:23 <g00s> pragma-: haha, thats great, i'll take you up on that
Jun 03 07:54:48 <g00s> pragma-: you have to do it at i/o
Jun 03 07:54:52 <JakeWharton> I bought a fiverr last night
Jun 03 07:55:30 <JakeWharton> some chick made me this for $5: http://i.imgur.com/5m3XM.jpg
Jun 03 07:55:44 <thepoosh> hello
Jun 03 07:56:08 <thepoosh> any good tutorials on extending an imageView to have 2 alternating images?
Jun 03 07:56:30 <JakeWharton> ViewFlipper + postDelayedRunnable + two ImageViews
Jun 03 07:56:52 <JakeWharton> or extend ImageView + postDelayedRunable + setImageDrawable
Jun 03 07:57:03 <thepoosh> postDelayedRunable ?
Jun 03 07:57:34 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#postDelayed(java.lang.Runnable, long)
Jun 03 07:58:26 <JakeWharton> you could probably use http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/drawable/TransitionDrawable.html too
Jun 03 08:01:36 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: ViewFlipper looks like a cool idea
Jun 03 08:02:12 <thepoosh> but why should I override the PostDelay?
Jun 03 08:03:59 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: but why should I override the PostDelay?
Jun 03 08:04:15 <JakeWharton> for automatic changes
Jun 03 08:06:02 <thepoosh> what do you mean automatic changes, I want it to change only onClick
Jun 03 08:06:08 <thepoosh> :S
Jun 03 08:06:09 <thepoosh> !!!
Jun 03 08:06:54 <JakeWharton> ok then do that
Jun 03 08:07:34 <thepoosh> oh ok
Jun 03 08:08:58 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: is it possible to put in a vieflipper the same layout with different id's?
Jun 03 08:09:05 <JakeWharton> yes
Jun 03 08:09:27 <thepoosh> yay
Jun 03 08:13:10 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: one more question, can I create a view in one xml file and then when including it in a different one set a new height and width to fit the new place in the new View? (i want to put the same custom view more than once)
Jun 03 08:13:31 <thepoosh> *not height and width, margin and placing
Jun 03 08:13:58 <JakeWharton> set the child view to match_parent
Jun 03 08:14:06 <JakeWharton> define the height on the container
Jun 03 08:14:45 <thepoosh> so I'll need to create a container in the parent anyway?
Jun 03 08:15:17 <thepoosh> can't just give layout_allignParent_right="true"
Jun 03 08:15:22 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: ^
Jun 03 08:31:24 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: are you still here and have time for one last question?
Jun 03 08:35:11 <JakeWharton> just ask, you needn't target questions at one person
Jun 03 08:37:45 <WindowsNT> question: is there a way to have a tile view, like the home screen? Or must I implement such a layout manually ?
Jun 03 08:42:24 <JakeWharton> there's GridView in the SDK, GridLayout in the support-v7 library, and there's the dashboard pattern which has a bunch of classes floating around the internet that you can find with a quick Google
Jun 03 08:42:41 <WindowsNT> let me check gridview
Jun 03 08:43:50 <WindowsNT> thx, i will use this.
Jun 03 08:44:58 <WindowsNT> I guess it's similar to the listview with adapters etc as I sw
Jun 03 08:45:00 <WindowsNT> saw
Jun 03 08:45:08 <Tricknology> hey all, when I make a BroadcastReceiver, can i filter some messages and not others?
Jun 03 08:45:11 <JakeWharton> exactly the same
Jun 03 08:45:50 <Tricknology> sms*
Jun 03 08:55:16 <Younos> mornin' folks
Jun 03 08:56:38 <linuxuz3r_> hey
Jun 03 09:00:39 <Younos> ok well its not good morning from my phone... the first Activity i give it today throws in onCreate
Jun 03 09:00:44 <Younos> more coffee :/
Jun 03 09:18:38 <madmcphil> morning
Jun 03 09:34:37 <snuy> hi, is it possible to get informed within one in the event of a new network connection initialized from another app
Jun 03 10:02:56 <pad4wan> good morning everyone. does anyone know how cached mail is stored in android?
Jun 03 10:19:00 <Younos> i'm new to android, i've generated this android app in eclipse and now i want to call functions in other projects on the workspace. however i get java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException errors when i call functions in those other projects
Jun 03 10:19:44 <Younos> it's as if the jar files dont end up in the .apk or something
Jun 03 10:23:02 <Younos> when i look in the .apk, i see a classes.dex, but no mylib.jar
Jun 03 10:32:21 <J0hnG> hi all. How can I force eclipse to stop opening new findow for the same file? I switch between diff files in project by clicking them in Project Explorer - eclipse spawns new windows every time - very annoying
Jun 03 10:38:54 <snuy> hi, is it possible to pause an app from another app?
Jun 03 10:39:14 <readme>  yeah --- launch an activity that takes the foreground
Jun 03 10:39:23 <readme> and whatever other app that was on top will have onPause called.
Jun 03 10:41:21 <snuy> but that does not count for background services, right?
Jun 03 10:48:45 <preds_> snuy, if it's a service you want to be able to pause you can always register an intent that tells it to pause
Jun 03 10:49:20 <rootty> hi
Jun 03 10:49:38 <snuy> but i cannot force it to pause?
Jun 03 10:49:45 <rootty> Which controls should I use to make swipe like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnpc4sv5isvx2t5/swipe.png ?
Jun 03 10:50:38 <rootty> I need to show only one element on the screen
Jun 03 10:51:05 <rootty> and some elements may be disabled
Jun 03 10:52:08 <rootty> Maybe horizontal listview?
Jun 03 10:53:06 <preds_> snuy, I'm unaware of any way to force a service to pause
Jun 03 10:53:32 <preds_> you'd more likely want to implement a method that stops it doing whatever you don't want it to do
Jun 03 10:53:50 <readme> snuy: services don't "run" anyway. Their callbacks are called, then they sit there pretty much forever
Jun 03 10:53:56 <readme> what runs, is the THREAD you put in there
Jun 03 10:54:05 <readme> which you should take preds_ advice on
Jun 03 10:59:19 <rootty> Does anybody know have to implement this https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnpc4sv5isvx2t5/swipe.png ?
Jun 03 10:59:42 <rootty> рщц*
Jun 03 10:59:46 <rootty> how**
Jun 03 11:00:15 <readme> rootty: what does swiping do, flip the page?
Jun 03 11:00:25 <readme> if so, just use a ViewPager
Jun 03 11:01:27 <rootty> readme, i need just to change a picture
Jun 03 11:01:40 <readme> use a view pager
Jun 03 11:01:42 <rootty> it's an icon for a category of questions for a quiz
Jun 03 11:02:43 <readme> yeah, my suggestion stands
Jun 03 11:03:20 <rootty> okay, i'll try
Jun 03 11:03:27 <rootty> thank you
Jun 03 11:05:11 <readme> if you have trouble just keep trucking through it... even if you have to restructure a lot of your code.
Jun 03 11:05:18 <readme> it is NOT worth it to implement your own swipe
Jun 03 11:05:21 <readme> absolutely not
Jun 03 11:05:26 <readme> and will not have any cool animation, either
Jun 03 11:34:21 <Miles8of9> hi all
Jun 03 11:34:40 <Miles8of9> i've downloaded android sdk zip file and uncompressed in a directory... i tried running SDK Manager.exe or AVD Manager.exe to test if it's ok but nothing happens.. why?
Jun 03 11:35:47 <Hiraghm> what do you mean nothing happens? you double-clicked on the icons?
Jun 03 11:35:59 <Hiraghm> or typed manager.exe in a console window?
Jun 03 11:36:29 <Miles8of9> i tried both things
Jun 03 11:36:39 <Miles8of9> from console it returns prompt
Jun 03 11:36:46 <Miles8of9> and doesn't start
Jun 03 11:36:49 <Hiraghm> try this... download Eclipse IDE
Jun 03 11:36:51 <Miles8of9> no error, nothing
Jun 03 11:37:07 <Hiraghm> what OS are you running?
Jun 03 11:37:16 <Miles8of9> windows 7
Jun 03 11:37:21 <Miles8of9> 64 (coff) bit
Jun 03 11:38:20 <tapas> ok, so what's the canonical way for doing this: i have a footer on each view with 5 buttons. 4 of these lead to a single activity. but the 5th button leads to a chain of activities where i'd like to have the ability to go back
Jun 03 11:38:31 <Hiraghm> okay, download eclipse classic http://eclipse.org/
Jun 03 11:38:32 <Miles8of9> and i have java sdk installed and in path
Jun 03 11:38:46 <tapas> so my current plan is to maintain the stack myself..
Jun 03 11:38:47 <Hiraghm> and download the ADT http://developer.android.com/sdk/eclipse-adt.html
Jun 03 11:39:41 <Miles8of9> which java sdk minimum is required to run android sdk?
Jun 03 11:39:48 <tapas> so fragment manager and fragments for the "Stack" part?
Jun 03 11:40:16 <Hiraghm> but I don't know why it's not calling up the GUI to download SDK packages
Jun 03 11:40:31 * Hiraghm panics and screams at the mention of "fragments"
Jun 03 11:40:58 <Hiraghm> minimum java I think is 1.5 or 1.6? not sure.
Jun 03 11:42:19 <tapas> 1.6
Jun 03 11:42:33 <tapas> at least if you want @Override annotations, etc..
Jun 03 11:44:37 <Miles8of9> Failed to convert path to a short DOS path: C:\Windows\system32\java.exe
Jun 03 11:44:47 <Miles8of9> ERROR: No suitable Java found. In order to properly use the Android Developer
Jun 03 11:45:02 <Miles8of9> java -version
Jun 03 11:45:13 <Miles8of9> java version "1.6.0_22"
Jun 03 11:45:15 <Miles8of9> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04)
Jun 03 11:45:16 <Miles8of9> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode)
Jun 03 11:50:31 <Miles8of9> hmm.. there in fact is a c:\windows\system32\java.exe
Jun 03 12:15:23 <sukramTM> Hello, in HTML i can give an entrie in a dropdownmenue a value and a description wich will show in the selection: <option value="1">Text</option>. The same I need now in my App. The User choose a option, and the App need a value. I dont find an example in the www for this problem.
Jun 03 12:16:33 <sukramTM> Excuse my bad english
Jun 03 12:17:38 <Knossos> sukramTM: Look into Spinner
Jun 03 12:18:28 <sukramTM> Knossos: Sorry dont understand what you mean. In the descripton on the Android Homepage?
Jun 03 12:18:49 <Knossos> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=android+spinner
Jun 03 12:19:51 <sukramTM> Knossos: i google spinner, but i dont find an example for my question
Jun 03 12:20:24 <Knossos> That is an exact answer to your question. You use Spinners to replicate functionality of a <select />
Jun 03 12:22:15 <sukramTM> And that is false?
Jun 03 12:23:11 <chrizc> sukramTM did you google "spinner" or "android spinner" ?
Jun 03 12:23:31 <sukramTM> both
Jun 03 12:23:50 <chrizc> sukramTM; http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-spinner.html
Jun 03 12:23:52 <chrizc> first damn result.
Jun 03 12:24:34 <sukramTM> And this i understand and make it like this example.
Jun 03 12:26:00 <sukramTM> But now, for example, I want that when someone choose Mars, the Toast shows: The 4. Planet
Jun 03 12:30:52 <Miles8of9> should i install Android SDK Platform Tools too?
Jun 03 12:40:11 <niles11_> I would like to have a slider component who's first state is normal, though with the slider in the middle of the component. Then when the user first uses the slider I want the slider to show the green part. I so far have used a statelistdrawable that shows the green part during the sliding, but it turns back to it's normal state (without the green part) after I release the slider. Anyone here knows how to fix that?
Jun 03 13:16:42 <niles11_> Anyone here?
Jun 03 13:25:54 <Isilion> hi im trying to build CM but i need the galaxy s2 propietary files. I googled them with no luck. any help?
Jun 03 13:48:26 <snuy> is it possible to access apache harmony classes from an android app?
Jun 03 13:55:42 <niles11_> Anyone able to help me out with my problem?
Jun 03 14:02:22 <ixc> niles11_: u should ask ur problem, not asking about any1 will help or no
Jun 03 14:02:29 <ixc> its useless question
Jun 03 14:02:44 <niles11_> I already asked the question, but I will do it again
Jun 03 14:02:46 <niles11_> I would like to have a slider component who's first state is normal, though with the slider in the middle of the component. Then when the user first uses the slider I want the slider to show the green part. I so far have used a statelistdrawable that shows the green part during the sliding, but it turns back to it's normal state (without the green part) after I release the slider. Anyone here knows how to fix that?
Jun 03 14:07:34 <xximjasonxx> greetings all.  I am trying to understand what circumstances lead to AppWidgetProvider::onUpdate being fired. So far, in my tests, I am not able to confirm a pattern and I am not able to understand what the documentation means. Can anyone clarify for me?
Jun 03 14:12:18 <GeeksOnHugs> off topic - Im building a PC workstation, how do I select the proper size power supply?
Jun 03 14:12:35 <GeeksOnHugs> its for my android development so it's not totally off topic :P
Jun 03 14:14:03 <xximjasonxx> get the biggest possible? :)
Jun 03 14:14:39 <p_l|backup> xximjasonxx: would be brutally oversized
Jun 03 14:14:42 <GeeksOnHugs> well I actually need the smallest possible heh...its a mini-itx system...so I need to figure out the minimum
Jun 03 14:14:54 <GeeksOnHugs> :)
Jun 03 14:15:05 <p_l|backup> GeeksOnHugs: I'm not talking about physical size
Jun 03 14:15:25 <GeeksOnHugs> well also I'm on a budget :)
Jun 03 14:15:45 <p_l|backup> look for something good quality (including output power quality), then calculate approximate power use of your system, and select a bit over that
Jun 03 14:16:46 <xximjasonxx> ahh i see, so its not an update is that sense
Jun 03 14:16:49 <xximjasonxx> more of an internal thing
Jun 03 14:17:20 <GeeksOnHugs> mini itx mobo, intel i3 3.1 Ghz, 8 GB Ram, 64 GB SSD, DVDROM(maybe), on board wifi and bluetooth, using on board video for now....how to calculate?  i may get a gpu down the road
Jun 03 14:18:10 <xximjasonxx> you know, I was talking with my friend the other day. I think I am going to abandon trying to teach myself iOS.  So many people out there who are good at it, Id be willing to let them handle things
Jun 03 14:18:11 <GeeksOnHugs> in the future might do 16 GB RAM, 128 GB SSD, Blue Ray player and nice GPU...running Linux BTW
Jun 03 14:19:31 <GeeksOnHugs> xximjasonxx, me personally I like to specialize and be walk on water on one thing than jack of all trades...so I'd rather uber android dev, then good iOS, android, RIM, Symbian, Windows, etc.
Jun 03 14:19:58 <GeeksOnHugs> although it would suck to be an uber RIM dev right now
Jun 03 14:20:18 <xximjasonxx> very true
Jun 03 14:20:20 <Ge0rG> *sigh* users and their reviews. one writes "works on galaxy nexus", the next one writes "Galaxsy nexsus don't work"
Jun 03 14:20:28 <GeeksOnHugs> Intel is coming out with a Linux based mobile OS too
Jun 03 14:20:32 <GeeksOnHugs> I forget the name
Jun 03 14:20:39 <alankila> GeeksOnHugs: "tizen"?
Jun 03 14:20:42 <xximjasonxx> GeeksOnHugs, I got WP7 and Android. I am just finding it so hard to do all three
Jun 03 14:20:43 <snuy> is there a way to access the org.apache.harmony packages from an app?
Jun 03 14:20:52 <alankila> actually I don't know or care who is behind tizen anymore
Jun 03 14:20:57 <GeeksOnHugs> I don't think so....lemme see
Jun 03 14:21:19 <GeeksOnHugs> MeeGo
Jun 03 14:21:54 <GeeksOnHugs> no Tizen
Jun 03 14:22:00 <GeeksOnHugs> tthey dropped migo for tizen
Jun 03 14:22:02 <GeeksOnHugs> http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/intel-drops-meego-mobile-os-backs-tizen-against-android-174216
Jun 03 14:22:36 <Ge0rG> meego, maemo, moblin, tizen... screw them
Jun 03 14:22:38 <alankila> anyway it all seems rather pointless given that in a year when they get something that might almost ship they'll probably merge it with some other project again
Jun 03 14:22:53 <Ayziaa> hello all!
Jun 03 14:23:01 <alankila> and so on. Looks and feels like a joke if they never ship devices with it
Jun 03 14:23:19 <alankila> nothing says, of course, that tizen's story is going to follow the by-now well-tread path
Jun 03 14:23:48 <GeeksOnHugs> xximjasonxx...one thing is Delphi XE (my background is Delphi)...currently supports Win32, Win64, iOS, Mac OSX...and will Linux & Android...they have a firemonkey library and cross compiler...native for all thoses
Jun 03 14:23:51 <niles11_> I would like to have a slider component who's first state is normal, though with the slider in the middle of the component. Then when the user first uses the slider I want the slider to show the green part. I so far have used a statelistdrawable that shows the green part during the sliding, but it turns back to it's normal state (without the green part) after I release the slider. Anyone here knows how to fix that?
Jun 03 14:24:46 <GeeksOnHugs> http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi
Jun 03 14:24:54 <Ayziaa> could anyone tell me why changing a button from a layout to another in same xml could result in force close?
Jun 03 14:25:38 <alankila> Ayziaa: why not read logcat and know
Jun 03 14:25:39 <Leeds> ayunyan: yes, the exception traceback will tell you
Jun 03 14:26:12 <Ayziaa> alankila: hum! I'don't know how to read a logcat...
Jun 03 14:26:49 <alankila> well best learn how to use adb then, maybe.
Jun 03 14:26:54 <GeeksOnHugs> also Tiggzi.com is an online IDE for developing cross platform apps (web apps, using phonegap) that will build native wrappers for iOS, Android...prolly WinPhone and RIM too
Jun 03 14:28:37 <GeeksOnHugs> I think native > web app...cross platform = lowest common denominator
Jun 03 14:29:15 <Ayziaa> alankila:Is the logcat in eclipe the on I should take a look to?
Jun 03 14:29:40 <alankila> I can't stand eclipse's idea of how logcat is supposed to work so I recommend running logcat in a terminal window or something
Jun 03 14:29:52 <alankila> the main problem is that whenever some data is written to the logcat window it jumps at the end
Jun 03 14:30:00 <alankila> which is really irritating when I try to scroll exception's cause into view
Jun 03 14:30:10 <Deifyed> thats why you have the pause button :P
Jun 03 14:30:20 <alankila> well why can't it pause if I grab the scrollbar
Jun 03 14:30:40 <alankila> anyway don't give a fuck, terminal window is much larger and better suited for the work anyway
Jun 03 14:31:01 <Deifyed> yeah
Jun 03 14:31:19 <Deifyed> i don't mind having to pause anything, what annoyes me is having to maximize/minimize all the time
Jun 03 14:32:59 <niles11_> is there no one able to help me?
Jun 03 14:34:45 <Ayziaa> what are the options or filters related to logcat on adb?Can I filter a logcat to an activity or a service or something like that?
Jun 03 14:35:12 <alankila> there are some filters for logcat but it all sort of sucks. I tend to just adb logcat|grep Something
Jun 03 14:35:41 <alankila> see ANDROID_LOG_TAGS environment variable
Jun 03 14:37:22 <Ayziaa> ok thx!
Jun 03 15:05:30 <sukramTM> Hello, I work with this example: http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-spinner.html Now I want, that the toast dont show me the Planet. I will that it show me the position from the Planet. I can work with if or case, but when I have a spinner with many entries, that is a long code. Is there a other possibility? Please excuse my bad english.
Jun 03 15:09:12 <chrizc> is there an easy way to make a WebView only display a certain section of a web page? I have a large website that I'm trying to display, but I only want it to display the contents of one div?
Jun 03 15:09:35 <p_l|backup> chrizc: a bit of javascript?
Jun 03 15:09:59 <chrizc> p_l|backup; if I can't modify the web page?
Jun 03 15:10:40 <p_l|backup> chrizc: you inject javascript through the webview
Jun 03 15:10:48 <chrizc> ah
Jun 03 15:16:58 <dimgl> does anyone know the debug variable to add to build.prop to disable boot animation?
Jun 03 15:18:05 <dimgl> nvm got it, thanks
Jun 03 15:36:12 <Hiraghm> everyone freaking says that files in /assets are compressed
Jun 03 15:36:27 <Hiraghm> and that I need to decompress them to read them from the native side.
Jun 03 15:50:00 <Hiraghm> Man I hate JNI and the NDK
Jun 03 15:56:21 <alexfu> any idea as to how i can flatten a footerView? I tried setting the height of it's layoutparams to zero but nothing.
Jun 03 15:57:12 <canadiancow> wat?
Jun 03 15:58:23 <alexfu> making a listview's footerview have a height of 0.
Jun 03 15:59:33 <canadiancow> so something you added with addFooterView() ?
Jun 03 15:59:43 <canadiancow> call setVisibility(View.GONE) on that view
Jun 03 16:01:34 <alexfu> canadiancow: I thought that would work too, however, it just makes it invisible
Jun 03 16:01:44 <canadiancow> interesting
Jun 03 16:01:45 <alexfu> canadiancow: and leaves a blank empty space
Jun 03 16:01:51 <canadiancow> you could try adding it as a new view in the adapter
Jun 03 16:02:06 <canadiancow> and then just adjust the count and call notifydatasetchanged
Jun 03 16:03:39 <canadiancow> generally i'd use addHeader/FooterView for permanent, unchanging views
Jun 03 16:03:50 <canadiancow> anything dynamic i'd use an adapter to control
Jun 03 16:05:10 <alexfu> canadiancow: alright, i'll give it a shot
Jun 03 16:07:21 <saintrafter> i am trying to stream live video from server to my android phone. the apidemo isnt working my url is rtsp://216.224.181.197/mystream.sdp i put the url in an rtsp viewer app i downloaded off google play and it worked fine. does anyone how to get it to work?
Jun 03 16:17:58 <chrizc> how the hell am I supposed to edit a TextView using data retrieved from the internet in a separate thread - views can only be edited by their original threads?
Jun 03 16:18:18 <Deifyed> asyncthread?
Jun 03 16:18:20 <vavirta> chrizc: are you using asynctask to fetch the data?
Jun 03 16:18:23 <Deifyed> task*
Jun 03 16:18:26 <vavirta> :D
Jun 03 16:18:28 <chrizc> I'm just using a Thread
Jun 03 16:18:35 <vavirta> Use asyncthread
Jun 03 16:19:10 <vavirta> then on onPostExecute-method you can update your ui-thread
Jun 03 16:19:19 <vavirta> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jun 03 16:19:53 <saintrafter> or  runOnUiThread
Jun 03 16:19:54 <Deifyed> don't tell anyone, but i love asynctask
Jun 03 16:23:37 <chrizc> vavirta; okay, so I have my asynctask that's downloading my info - how do I use onPostExecute to interact with the ui?
Jun 03 16:23:46 <chrizc> the android docs don't say
Jun 03 16:23:49 <chrizc> ...again
Jun 03 16:24:20 <Deifyed> funny - i had that question a while ago and found the answer ^^
Jun 03 16:24:29 <vavirta> when you are extending asynctask
Jun 03 16:24:37 <chrizc> vavirta; a new class
Jun 03 16:24:38 <vavirta> you can override onPostExecute-method
Jun 03 16:24:46 <chrizc> yep
Jun 03 16:24:55 <chrizc> okay, but how do I interact with a TextView defined in a separate class
Jun 03 16:24:57 <vavirta> yes, you need to create new class for that, for example private inner class
Jun 03 16:25:05 <chrizc> okay, but how do I interact with a TextView defined in a separate class
Jun 03 16:25:13 <Deifyed> or anonymous
Jun 03 16:25:32 <vavirta> yeah
Jun 03 16:25:36 <chrizc> okay, but how do I interact with a TextView defined in a separate class
Jun 03 16:25:36 <chrizc> okay, but how do I interact with a TextView defined in a separate class
Jun 03 16:25:42 <vavirta> you don't need to spam
Jun 03 16:25:43 <Deifyed> read
Jun 03 16:25:47 <chrizc> well you were ignoring it
Jun 03 16:26:02 <Deifyed> chrizc: you should change your attitude if you want help
Jun 03 16:26:24 <chrizc> I have a decent attitude, I just don't like being ignored.
Jun 03 16:26:32 <vavirta> http://code.google.com/p/makemachine/source/browse/trunk/android/examples/async_task/src/makemachine/android/examples/async/AsyncTaskExample.java
Jun 03 16:26:38 <vavirta> here is code example how to use asynctask
Jun 03 16:26:59 <saintrafter> anyone ever worked with rtsp streaming ?
Jun 03 16:27:44 <chrizc> vavirta; that still doesn't really help because I'm not using a sub-class, I'm using a whole new class?
Jun 03 16:31:36 <readme> chrizc: claiming that you have a good attitude does not make up for your impatience.
Jun 03 16:31:44 <readme> but I will look anyway
Jun 03 16:31:50 <chrizc> I've managed to do it now
Jun 03 16:31:57 <chrizc> I pass the TextView in the constructor.
Jun 03 16:31:58 <readme> You're all set with the code, then?
Jun 03 16:32:00 <readme> Excellent
Jun 03 17:24:12 <mad1231999> Hey
Jun 03 17:24:39 <mad1231999> Can someone please explain to me why the Canvas is null in onDraw in GameCanvas.java?
Jun 03 17:24:43 <mad1231999> Source code: http://pastebin.com/xWbAq3Un
Jun 03 17:25:08 <heoa> http://developer.android.com/sdk/eclipse-adt.html#installing <-- where do you need the ADT Plugin with Eclipse for?
Jun 03 17:25:33 <mad1231999> Where do you need it for?
Jun 03 17:25:41 <heoa> I have tried to install it but I get non-clickable button...so cannot proceed with its installation.
Jun 03 17:25:54 <readme> mad1231999: because in a SurfaceView you need to get the canvas from the SurfaceHolder
Jun 03 17:26:05 <mad1231999> Watch thenewbostons tutorials
Jun 03 17:26:06 <readme> you need to lock & unlock it
Jun 03 17:26:19 <mad1231999> readme: Look in the RenderThread class
Jun 03 17:26:31 <mad1231999> At the bottom of the GameCanvas.java file
Jun 03 17:26:39 <readme> mad1231999: get rid of your onDraw code then
Jun 03 17:26:55 <readme> why is it overridden?
Jun 03 17:26:57 * readme facepalms
Jun 03 17:27:28 <mad1231999> Because a tutorial said it should be.
Jun 03 17:28:08 <readme> http://pastie.org/4020407
Jun 03 17:28:16 <readme> do exactly what I do with the canvas here
Jun 03 17:28:20 <readme> that's my own code that i know works
Jun 03 17:29:14 <readme> I think your problem is that you are overriding onDraw
Jun 03 17:29:23 <readme> and it's being called with a null canvas by the SurfaceView class
Jun 03 17:29:29 <readme> when you are not calling it on your own
Jun 03 17:31:43 <readme> I had developed a tiny working game engine with the canvas, but it turns out the canvas is way too slow to warrant further efforts on it
Jun 03 17:31:54 <readme> if I was going to develop a game, I'd use andengine
Jun 03 17:34:26 <readme> mad1231999: are you trying my suggestion / was anything hard to understand about my theory?
Jun 03 17:35:02 <mad1231999> readme: It was not too hard to understand. I changed my code to this, and it still doesn't work http://pastebin.com/fUbKiRVs
Jun 03 17:35:32 <readme> ok I'll look a bit more
Jun 03 17:35:44 <readme> in any event the onDraw override wasn't necessary and just asking for strange occurences
Jun 03 17:36:07 <mad1231999> I deleted the onDraw
Jun 03 17:36:14 <readme> :D
Jun 03 17:36:34 <readme> it says here that you should pass the canvas previously returned by lockCanvas
Jun 03 17:36:38 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/SurfaceHolder.html#unlockCanvasAndPost(android.graphics.Canvas)
Jun 03 17:36:47 <readme> looks like you're passing null every time
Jun 03 17:36:55 <mad1231999> Yeah
Jun 03 17:36:55 <readme> so it's probably the second iteration that you get an NPE on
Jun 03 17:37:02 <readme> loops happen fast
Jun 03 17:37:05 <mad1231999> Maybe it's a permission issue?
Jun 03 17:37:14 <readme> so you wouldn't be able to see it with the hman eye
Jun 03 17:37:15 <readme> nope
Jun 03 17:37:30 <readme> you need to save the value returned by lockCanvas
Jun 03 17:37:39 <readme> and pass it back in when you call unlockCanvasAndPost
Jun 03 17:37:52 <readme> Oh never mind, you do that!
Jun 03 17:38:05 <readme> ok you are rolling over your exceptions!
Jun 03 17:38:13 <readme> you need to insert a catch block so you can see th eproblem
Jun 03 17:38:23 <readme> lockCanvas is throwing an exception
Jun 03 17:38:26 <readme> so c is still null
Jun 03 17:39:29 <readme> " A null is returned if the surface has not been created or otherwise cannot be edited."
Jun 03 17:39:46 <readme> I think we can assume that one of these things is probably true.
Jun 03 17:39:58 <mad1231999> I create the thread in the method surfaceCreated. So it is probably created
Jun 03 17:40:16 <readme> so it must be 'otherwise cannot be edited' that we are looking for
Jun 03 17:40:23 <readme> no exceptions are thrown?
Jun 03 17:40:28 <mad1231999> I can try
Jun 03 17:40:42 <readme> keep an eye on logcat, since there is no catch I believe the exception is thrown up
Jun 03 17:40:54 <readme> but I have never actually written a try {} block with a finally and no catch
Jun 03 17:42:13 <readme>                 rThread = new RenderThread( getHolder(), this );
Jun 03 17:42:20 <readme> found your problem
Jun 03 17:42:21 <readme> mad1231999: ^
Jun 03 17:42:26 <readme> you need to do that in surfaceCreated
Jun 03 17:42:31 <mad1231999> Ohh
Jun 03 17:42:36 <mad1231999> That makes sense
Jun 03 17:42:57 <readme> also it's best practice to implement runnable, then pass that object to a thread
Jun 03 17:43:06 <readme> you'll see in my code I just implemented a runnable class
Jun 03 17:43:10 <readme> I didn't actually extend the thread class
Jun 03 17:43:18 <readme> the reason is that you're not specifying any new thread behavior
Jun 03 17:43:21 <readme> only running behavior
Jun 03 17:43:37 <readme> you can use thread out of the box
Jun 03 17:43:50 <readme> but that's unrelated to your actual immediate issue
Jun 03 17:44:07 <mad1231999> 06-03 17:43:22.086: E/SurfaceTextureClient(1293): Surface::lock failed, already locked
Jun 03 17:44:21 <readme> that happens after you move the call to surfaceCreated?
Jun 03 17:44:29 <mad1231999> Yes
Jun 03 17:44:46 <readme> put a print statement around your unlock call
Jun 03 17:44:50 <readme> I bet it's not being called
Jun 03 17:46:12 <mad1231999> Indeed it doesnøt
Jun 03 17:46:15 <mad1231999> doesn't*
Jun 03 17:48:26 <mad1231999> readm
Jun 03 17:48:38 <readme> ?
Jun 03 17:48:42 <readme> I"m thinking
Jun 03 17:48:53 <readme> you have any ideas?
Jun 03 17:50:06 <readme> can you make sure you paste your latest code
Jun 03 17:50:27 <readme> i am not sure if you have made any new changes
Jun 03 17:51:40 <mad1231999> Sorry, I was AFK
Jun 03 17:51:54 <readme> np
Jun 03 17:52:17 <mad1231999> Latest code: http://pastie.org/4020517
Jun 03 17:52:50 <readme> I would have to bet that an exception is being thrown
Jun 03 17:52:57 <mad1231999> Yes
Jun 03 17:53:05 <readme> do you have that stack trace?
Jun 03 17:53:07 <mad1231999> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException
Jun 03 17:53:13 <readme> paste that whole thing to a pastebin
Jun 03 17:53:17 <mad1231999> Ok
Jun 03 17:53:49 <mad1231999> http://pastebin.com/gwm7w3ip
Jun 03 17:54:24 <readme> http://pastie.org/4020528
Jun 03 17:54:27 <readme> that's what I meant about runnable
Jun 03 17:54:30 <readme> see what i mean?
Jun 03 17:54:41 <mad1231999> Yeah
Jun 03 17:54:49 <readme> looks like you combined both into one
Jun 03 17:54:49 <readme> lol
Jun 03 17:55:12 <readme> don't pass null to lockCanvas
Jun 03 17:55:15 <readme> just use lockCanvas()
Jun 03 17:55:21 <readme> unless you're going to give it a dirty Rect
Jun 03 17:55:25 <readme> then give it that
Jun 03 17:57:14 <mad1231999> I changed it to this: http://pastie.org/4020541 But now, setRunning() does not exists outside the RenderThread class
Jun 03 17:57:45 <readme> it does -- it just doesn't exist in the Thread
Jun 03 17:57:50 <readme> keep a reference to the RenderThread
Jun 03 17:58:02 <readme> mRenderThread = new RenderThread()....
Jun 03 17:58:08 <readme> mRenderThread.setRunning()
Jun 03 17:58:22 <readme> after you pass it to Thread, of course.
Jun 03 17:58:49 <readme> also the name RenderThread isn't that good, because technically it's not a thread -- it's just a class with a method called run()
Jun 03 17:58:57 <readme> which is the beautiful thing
Jun 03 17:59:08 <readme> it's separation of concerns
Jun 03 17:59:24 <readme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns
Jun 03 18:00:05 <mad1231999> I have no idea what's wrong
Jun 03 18:00:23 <readme> ok, show me the link where you are having trouble calling "setRunning"
Jun 03 18:00:26 <readme> line*
Jun 03 18:01:51 <readme> 29 rThread.setRunning( true ); ?
Jun 03 18:01:58 <sonicrules1234> Hm I guess creating an instance in python = creating a reference in java?
Jun 03 18:01:58 <readme> it should be mRenderThread.setRunning(true);
Jun 03 18:02:11 <mad1231999> http://pastie.org/4020563 line 6
Jun 03 18:02:30 <readme> mad1231999: see inside your Thread constructor call?
Jun 03 18:02:35 <readme> pull that out and keep a reference to it
Jun 03 18:02:44 <readme> RenderThread mRenderThread;
Jun 03 18:02:50 <readme> mRenderThread = new RenderThread(...);
Jun 03 18:02:57 <readme> rThread = new Thread(mRenderThread);
Jun 03 18:03:02 <readme> mRenderThread.setRunning(true);
Jun 03 18:03:04 <readme> etc.
Jun 03 18:03:35 <mad1231999> Ohh
Jun 03 18:03:43 <mad1231999> But what
Jun 03 18:03:46 <mad1231999> Wait*
Jun 03 18:04:01 <readme> sonicrules1234: python refs to an object are roughly the same as references in java. in both languages, the reference is not the instance, but a way of pointing to it
Jun 03 18:04:10 <mad1231999> If I set the running true in mRenderThread, how does it affect the rThread?
Jun 03 18:04:14 <readme> it doesn't
Jun 03 18:04:32 <readme> your rThread will stop running when your loop exits (in your runnable)
Jun 03 18:04:55 <readme> think of thread as a way to take any piece of code and run it in parallel
Jun 03 18:04:55 <mad1231999> But the rThread never runs if I don't start it
Jun 03 18:05:02 <readme> of course you need to start it
Jun 03 18:05:04 <mad1231999> I am already doing that
Jun 03 18:05:06 <readme> I just didn't put that in :)
Jun 03 18:05:14 <readme> sorry for the lack of precision there
Jun 03 18:05:15 <readme> heh
Jun 03 18:05:20 <sonicrules1234> readme: Ok, thanks
Jun 03 18:05:54 <readme> the takeaway from this is that the purpose of Thread is to run code: the purpose of Runnable is to be run.
Jun 03 18:06:21 <readme> whenever you can slice code this way, by saying it has a different purpose
Jun 03 18:06:25 <readme> make it separate classes
Jun 03 18:06:36 <mad1231999> I updated the code, here it is: http://pastie.org/4020593
Jun 03 18:06:57 <readme> that looks good
Jun 03 18:06:59 <readme> how does it work
Jun 03 18:07:49 <sonicrules1234> readme: Is there any kind of container in java that will allow you to have different types of objects in the same container?
Jun 03 18:07:54 <mad1231999> Just like before
Jun 03 18:07:59 <Deifyed> If I have a wizard of some sorts with 4 steps, each step an individual screen. Should I use fragments, setContentView - with different layouts, or have 4 activities - one for each screen?
Jun 03 18:08:06 <readme> mad1231999: are there any problems with your current implementation?
Jun 03 18:08:16 <readme> or are you set?
Jun 03 18:08:19 <mad1231999> It is really weird. About 3 weeks ago I made an app that worked like the first thing I did¨
Jun 03 18:08:21 <mad1231999> did*
Jun 03 18:08:34 <readme> thats ok, just because it works doens't mean it's right :)
Jun 03 18:08:38 <readme> this one is good :)
Jun 03 18:08:48 <readme> do you know what atomicity is in parallel programming?
Jun 03 18:08:54 <readme> because if not, you need to learn that next
Jun 03 18:09:06 <readme> otherwise you're going to have some nice bugs
Jun 03 18:09:32 <readme> sonicrules1234: Object can hold any object
Jun 03 18:09:41 <readme> since they are all subclasses of object
Jun 03 18:09:46 <readme> implicitly
Jun 03 18:10:06 <sonicrules1234> I don't think objects qualify as a container.
Jun 03 18:10:39 <Deifyed> sonicrules1234: generics?
Jun 03 18:10:47 <mad1231999> readme: It doesn't work now either
Jun 03 18:10:52 <readme> mad1231999: what is the problem?
Jun 03 18:10:55 <vavirta> chrizc: don't create new class for asynctask, use anonymous class, as shown in all examples
Jun 03 18:11:16 <sonicrules1234> I'm looking for something like the lists in python, where you can iterate through it, but it can contain different types of objects
Jun 03 18:11:28 <readme> ArrayList<Object>
Jun 03 18:11:31 <sonicrules1234> I guess its not really possible to do that in java the way the for loops are formed
Jun 03 18:11:36 <readme> no, it is possible
Jun 03 18:11:39 <readme> with Object.
Jun 03 18:11:49 <readme> you can even check what kind of object you have later, with the instanceof operator
Jun 03 18:11:53 <readme> then cast it upwards to the correct type
Jun 03 18:11:59 <mad1231999> readme: http://pastie.org/4020614
Jun 03 18:12:00 <readme> then you can operate on it
Jun 03 18:12:03 <readme> as such
Jun 03 18:12:15 <sonicrules1234> So ArrayList<String> can hold an int or a boolean?
Jun 03 18:12:18 <readme> no
Jun 03 18:12:21 <readme> it can hold only a string
Jun 03 18:12:34 <GeeksOnHugs> I have an update ;)
Jun 03 18:12:34 <readme> but ArrayList<Object> can hold an Integer, Boolean, String, Long, Float, FooClass, whatever
Jun 03 18:12:38 <readme> and it can hold all of them at once
Jun 03 18:12:40 <sonicrules1234> Oh
Jun 03 18:12:42 <sonicrules1234> Cool
Jun 03 18:12:45 <readme> but! you need to use casts later
Jun 03 18:13:23 <sonicrules1234> Sounds cool
Jun 03 18:13:27 <mad1231999> readme, did you see the error?
Jun 03 18:13:27 <readme> mad1231999: show me TreasureHunt.java line 72?
Jun 03 18:13:31 <vavirta> and you can't use primitive datatypes, such as int, double etc (So you have to use corresponding classes)
Jun 03 18:13:33 <readme> show me the whole class even
Jun 03 18:13:39 <GeeksOnHugs> Waaaaa, I liked the old LED Caller ID, you ruined it!  thanks dev :(
Jun 03 18:13:41 <GeeksOnHugs> j/k haha
Jun 03 18:13:46 <GeeksOnHugs> being a whiney user
Jun 03 18:13:48 <readme> GeeksOnHugs: did it work?
Jun 03 18:13:51 <mad1231999> There is no line 72???
Jun 03 18:13:52 <readme> what's wrong with it
Jun 03 18:13:54 <GeeksOnHugs> I just installed it
Jun 03 18:13:57 <readme> GeeksOnHugs: please PM if you don't mind
Jun 03 18:13:59 <GeeksOnHugs> No I was joking lol
Jun 03 18:14:05 <readme> oh, did you notice it's abotu the same :P
Jun 03 18:14:10 <readme> it just has an extra sleep call in iut
Jun 03 18:14:12 <readme> it*
Jun 03 18:14:22 <readme> mad1231999: no line 72?
Jun 03 18:14:25 <GeeksOnHugs> how doo I do a private chat?
Jun 03 18:14:26 * readme divides by zero
Jun 03 18:14:30 <readme>  /msg
Jun 03 18:14:31 <readme> query
Jun 03 18:14:36 <readme>  /query
Jun 03 18:14:47 <sonicrules1234> GeeksOnHugs: Do /query readme
Jun 03 18:15:00 <readme> if ther's no line 72 build clean and get me a new stacktrace and paste the code again
Jun 03 18:15:05 <Deifyed> If I have a wizard of some sorts with 4 steps, each step an individual screen. Should I use fragments, setContentView - with different layouts, or have 4 activities - one for each screen?
Jun 03 18:15:08 <mad1231999> readme: Oops, outdated error. new error: http://pastie.org/4020630
Jun 03 18:15:26 <GuySoft> Aeefire, (Pounce message): I woke up to find the phone stuck at book. whatr ever I did it froze when flashing on odin (no progress bar). it died when i tried flashing a new PIT file
Jun 03 18:15:27 <GuySoft> Aeefire, (Pounce message): I woke up to find the phone stuck at book. whatr ever I did it froze when flashing on odin (no progress bar). it died when i tried flashing a new PIT file
Jun 03 18:15:34 <readme> mad1231999: what is on line 63 of GameCanvas.java
Jun 03 18:15:37 <Aeefire> hey guys
Jun 03 18:15:38 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Anyone here have any experience with Google Analytics inside your app?
Jun 03 18:15:54 <MDijkstra> T-Dub|DlolPics: implemented it last week
Jun 03 18:15:58 <MDijkstra> for the first time
Jun 03 18:16:07 <mad1231999> Canvas canvas = holder.lockCanvas();
Jun 03 18:16:41 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I'm using var.stopSession() in my onpause, and I believe it is actually stopping the session, but according to my analytics there is still someone on the page. Is there another way to say "hey the user left that page" MDijkstra
Jun 03 18:16:43 <Aeefire> is anyone into cursors / sqlitedatabases ? I try to export mine into a csv but i seem to get problems.. however i do iterate through my cursor and also get the tables meta datai n the output and stuff like that O.o
Jun 03 18:17:13 <Aeefire> and special characters (like german umlaute) are not properly formatted
Jun 03 18:17:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I've had the app closed for a few minutes now and it still shows. Ok now it says no one is on the page.
Jun 03 18:17:24 <MDijkstra> T-Dub|DlolPics: doubt it, it was originally made to count website visits
Jun 03 18:17:31 <MDijkstra> T-Dub|DlolPics: where you can't detect this at all
Jun 03 18:17:36 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Weird, takes like 5-10 minutes to see that the user left the app
Jun 03 18:17:43 <MDijkstra> so I'm guessing they use a timeout of sorts
Jun 03 18:17:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I use analytics for all my sites, just never for android
Jun 03 18:17:55 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah I'm assuming that too.
Jun 03 18:18:15 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It switches to new activities no problem, it's just when I close the app, it takes a while apparently.
Jun 03 18:18:26 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Wasn't sure if there was a method I could add to my onPause to say hey the user left
Jun 03 18:18:49 <MDijkstra> T-Dub|DlolPics: probably not
Jun 03 18:18:50 <readme> mad1231999:  pass nulll
Jun 03 18:18:54 <readme> you were right the first time
Jun 03 18:18:58 <mad1231999> Ok
Jun 03 18:18:59 <readme> I have to go though, I have work to do
Jun 03 18:19:13 <readme> there are other talented people here available to continuhe helping you *cough* Miles8of9
Jun 03 18:19:18 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks for the help MDijkstra. Have you noticed if analytics uses a lot of bandwith?
Jun 03 18:19:20 <readme> MDijkstra: *
Jun 03 18:19:25 <mad1231999> Still same error
Jun 03 18:19:43 <readme> sorry man, duty calls
Jun 03 18:19:58 <MDijkstra> T-Dub|DlolPics: well, that's directly related to the amount of events you send
Jun 03 18:20:05 <MDijkstra> and whether you batch them
Jun 03 18:20:16 <asterisk-Tester> hi there, can i simply by defining 2 activities in my manifest file , one with android:screenOrientation portrait, and the second as landscape, have one load in portrait mode and the other whenever i rotate the device in landscape ? or it is not that easy ?
Jun 03 18:20:16 <MDijkstra> but generally it should be okay
Jun 03 18:20:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah I knew it would depend on how you use it, but wasn't sure if it was a hog or not just in general. Thanks MDijkstra.
Jun 03 18:23:13 <Deifyed> If I have a wizard of some sorts with 4 steps, each step an individual screen. Should I use fragments, setContentView - with different layouts, or have 4 activities - one for each screen?
Jun 03 18:24:46 <MDijkstra> Deifyed: fragments are usually the best idea
Jun 03 18:24:47 <alankila> I'd go with 4 fragments.
Jun 03 18:25:12 <alankila> maybe even place them in a ViewPager to let the wizard scroll sideways as you move from step to step
Jun 03 18:25:22 <MDijkstra> Deifyed: unless all of the steps are very similar, then I'd use 1
Jun 03 18:27:06 <Deifyed> MDijkstra and alankila: thank you
Jun 03 18:27:54 <plaisthos> does anyone here have an Sony mobile phone and can do me a favor? Try if the ToyVPN example really starts or burns in flames when trying to start a connection?
Jun 03 18:35:44 <readme> plaisthos: you know sony has a device loaner program right
Jun 03 18:35:55 <readme> I used it, but I already sent my device back
Jun 03 18:36:20 <plaisthos> readme: yes, but movng to US/Canada just to loan a Sony device does not sound provincing
Jun 03 18:37:19 <tnzr> is it better to handle touch events inside a GLSurfaceView or inside the activity that uses said GLSurfaceView as its content view?
Jun 03 18:37:21 <readme> heh
Jun 03 18:38:52 <tnzr> I'm trying to lighten the load on my main activity and am moving functionality out of it into other classes that it uses (and its coming along ok) but I'm not sure about touch events..i've seen people handle them inside the GLSurfaceView instead of the activity but I'm not sure which is the best practice (or maybe best performer)
Jun 03 18:42:26 <asterisk-Tester> is there an easy way to load activity 1 in portrait and activity 2 in landscape by letting android framework calling their respective oncreate() methods ? i tried to do it thru the manifest file, but i keep getting the first activity to load always even after rotating the device / emulator in landscape mode...
Jun 03 18:44:47 <tnzr> different question: anyone know how to write() to an AudioTrack that is in stereo? does it only take 1 buffer? I have left & right buffers and am not sure how to write both to the AudioTrack or combine them for writing
Jun 03 18:45:20 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Anyone getting "Failed to load application list. Try again later." in the developer console?
Jun 03 18:45:34 <readme> try from a different IP if you can
Jun 03 18:45:40 <readme> i had a similar problem yesterday
Jun 03 18:45:46 <readme> and using a different IP fixed it
Jun 03 18:46:05 <readme> a good IP to try, would be your phones data connection
Jun 03 18:46:09 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I've loaded it from my phone, using the andlytics app
Jun 03 18:46:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> ill try using the browser
Jun 03 18:47:53 <Aeefire> lalala is anyone into cursors, sqlite and csv AND willing to help me? :D
Jun 03 18:48:07 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Wow mega glitchy. I even got a pop up saying An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later.
Jun 03 18:48:36 <T-Dub|DlolPics> And my phone doesn't appear to be working. Oh there we go haza!
Jun 03 18:48:38 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks readme.
Jun 03 18:49:11 <Deifyed> readme: just to let you know, you are the most helpful readme i've met yet
Jun 03 18:50:41 <Aeefire> noone? :X
Jun 03 18:50:41 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So when you upload a new apk file, it will check the code version and if it's greater than the last one it will send out the "you have a update"
Jun 03 18:50:43 <readme> Deifyed: thanks :)
Jun 03 18:50:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> After you activate it and save?
Jun 03 18:56:10 <t0mless> Indeed
Jun 03 18:56:21 <t0mless> though it sometimes will take some time for the update to push all the way through
Jun 03 18:56:58 <T-Dub|DlolPics> What do you mean by "all the way through". I understand it will take reindexing and that will take time. But it will update some but not all?
Jun 03 18:57:22 <t0mless> some people might see the update push notification sooner
Jun 03 18:57:35 <t0mless> or some people might be able to go right to the play store and see the update sooner than others
Jun 03 18:57:53 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Oh weird. Well thanks I didn't know that.
Jun 03 18:58:29 <t0mless> for the most part when you push an update all your users see it in an hour or so
Jun 03 18:58:54 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Ok thanks. Seems like a reasonable number.
Jun 03 19:00:13 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So I have my url that goes directly to play.google for browsers (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tdubstudios.soundboard.damitsgood) how do I change the url so if you open the url on your android device it will auto open the play store?
Jun 03 19:02:23 <t0mless> for the most part I think the play store will detect it
Jun 03 19:02:30 <t0mless> but you used to be able to do market://
Jun 03 19:02:45 <canadiancow|work> you can still do that
Jun 03 19:02:55 <canadiancow|work> in fact, you're supposed to, if an app is generating the link
Jun 03 19:03:03 <canadiancow|work> to force the play store app to open, rather than the browser
Jun 03 19:03:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> so I just do market://package.name
Jun 03 19:03:49 <canadiancow|work> no
Jun 03 19:03:51 <canadiancow|work> you rtfm
Jun 03 19:04:15 <canadiancow|work> i *believe* it's market://details?id=package.name
Jun 03 19:04:20 <canadiancow|work> but its been a while
Jun 03 19:04:39 <T-Dub|DlolPics> ok I'll test that, thanks
Jun 03 19:04:40 <t0mless> you'd think they'd list thatn one under the Intents List
Jun 03 19:04:46 <canadiancow|work> they do?
Jun 03 19:04:52 <t0mless> nope
Jun 03 19:04:53 <t0mless> they don't
Jun 03 19:04:57 <t0mless> but you'd think they would
Jun 03 19:05:05 <t0mless> maps and streetview are on there
Jun 03 19:05:08 <canadiancow|work> http://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/publishing.html#marketintent
Jun 03 19:05:10 <t0mless> http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/g-app-intents.html
Jun 03 19:05:43 <canadiancow|work> at the very bottom, it tells you what to use, and when
Jun 03 19:06:58 * t0mless still thinks it should be added to the G-Apps intents page
Jun 03 19:07:07 <t0mless> at least the market prefix URI
Jun 03 19:14:12 <Gambit-> does anyone have any stats on how many people own both a phone and a tablet?
Jun 03 19:34:35 <GeeksOnHugs> sqlite types wtf
Jun 03 19:34:50 <alankila> it has a most strange type system
Jun 03 19:34:58 <GeeksOnHugs> seriously
Jun 03 19:35:01 <alankila> and the most fucked up alias system
Jun 03 19:35:18 <GeeksOnHugs> the devs were on something
Jun 03 19:35:22 <heoa> I got my first app running in AVP, how can I move it to my android phone?
Jun 03 19:35:56 <GeeksOnHugs> just move over the apk
Jun 03 19:36:08 <alankila> I'm fan of adb push foo.apk /data/app
Jun 03 19:36:09 <GeeksOnHugs> turn on the ability to allow apps aside from google's market
Jun 03 19:36:14 <alankila> there's some install command too but I don't care
Jun 03 19:36:30 <Deifyed> im a fan of the play button in eclipse :P
Jun 03 19:36:41 <GeeksOnHugs> i use a file manager...I just click on an apk in the file manager
Jun 03 19:36:41 <alankila> I also use the play button a lot
Jun 03 19:36:43 <heoa> I am using Eclipse, is it there somewhere?
Jun 03 19:36:49 <t0mless> adb install is better than eclipse
Jun 03 19:36:54 <alankila> but when I do some cyanogenmod hackery or something I'm often in terminal and have to install manually
Jun 03 19:36:57 <t0mless> heoa just change your run configuration and click run
Jun 03 19:37:10 <t0mless> er
Jun 03 19:37:17 <t0mless> I meant to say adb install is better than doing adb push
Jun 03 19:37:43 <vBm`> Can someone tell me which USB Vendor ID Alcatel phone have ... I can't find such info on http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#VendorIds
Jun 03 19:43:08 <heoa> alankila: How can I get the *.apk out of the eclipse?
Jun 03 19:43:33 <alankila> heoa: it's in workspace's bin/foo.apk
Jun 03 19:43:57 <alankila> for instance if you have project called foo in workspace bar, I imagine worksapce/bar/foo/bin/foo.apk
Jun 03 19:44:13 <heoa> alankila: yes, thank you -- found it!
Jun 03 19:44:31 <alankila> it's built with some debug keys though but I don't personally care, I make apps mostly for my own pleasure
Jun 03 19:45:51 <vBm`> anyone with an idea what to do when all i can access is fastboot on phone (volume down+power) but pc is not recognizing the phone ?
Jun 03 19:46:20 <vBm`> tried on both windows and linux
Jun 03 19:46:39 <heoa> alankila: when I do this, it shows the help without any err?!   ./adb ~/workspace/AccelerometerPlay/bin/AccelerometerPlay.apk  /media/A851-8068/Android/data/Accele.apk
Jun 03 19:47:02 <heoa> (I connected my phone with USB as a USB storage)
Jun 03 19:47:13 <alankila> sounds like you left out some commands. Perhaps learn how to use adb.
Jun 03 19:47:25 <alankila> also, /media/A8wtf/ ?
Jun 03 19:47:41 <heoa> It is the location of the USB -data-storage automatically mounted in Ubuntu.
Jun 03 19:47:47 <alankila> you don't use adb when you make local filesystem copies, and you don't install applications like that afaik
Jun 03 19:48:38 <heoa> $ ./adb devices
Jun 03 19:48:38 <heoa> List of devices attached
Jun 03 19:48:49 <heoa> <--- yes I see my phone is not connected to the adb, investigating...
Jun 03 19:48:53 <alankila> so maybe you don't have usb debugging enabled
Jun 03 19:48:59 <heoa> ?
Jun 03 19:49:05 <heoa> ...sec, searching...
Jun 03 19:50:45 <GeeksOnHugs> if apple is against hackintosh sysstems why do they sell their OS alone?
Jun 03 19:51:37 <Deifyed> GeeksOnHugs: to make some money before they make some more suing their asses?
Jun 03 19:52:06 <t0mless> heoa that command does nothing
Jun 03 19:52:21 <t0mless> you either need to do adb push with those arguments
Jun 03 19:52:29 <GeeksOnHugs> lol apparently
Jun 03 19:52:31 <t0mless> or do adb install /path/to/apk
Jun 03 19:54:16 <heoa> t0mless: alankila Thanks! I got my first app running on my phone :D
Jun 03 19:55:10 <heoa> ...very cool little app :P
Jun 03 19:57:35 <readme> wow, google play actually sells music at fair prices
Jun 03 19:57:39 <Deifyed> For the wizard question I asked earlier.. My application should support android all the way down to 2.0. Should I still use fragments with the support package?
Jun 03 19:57:51 <readme> an entire album is just four bucks
Jun 03 19:57:52 <Deifyed> readme: shush, im in norway. they don't want our money yet : (
Jun 03 19:57:57 <readme> :|
Jun 03 19:58:00 <readme> sorry
Jun 03 19:58:42 <Deifyed> i've already dropped my spotify subscription and uploaded all my music to google music, i so want to buy music through play : (
Jun 03 19:58:43 <readme> Deifyed: if it makes you feel any better I live in the US and we have an unacceptable healthcare situation :)
Jun 03 19:59:01 <Deifyed> yeh sorry bout that :\
Jun 03 19:59:05 <readme> np
Jun 03 19:59:12 <readme> I just use home remedies
Jun 03 19:59:24 <Deifyed> yeah thats legal soon too right?
Jun 03 19:59:43 <readme> I'm already working on an app that trains doctors without medical school
Jun 03 20:00:06 <Deifyed> awsome :D
Jun 03 20:00:52 <Deifyed> tell me if you need a simplistic android 4.0 notepad app for all the notes you need on your way to release of that app
Jun 03 20:01:29 <Deifyed> anyway, do you know if i should still use fragments for a 2 step registration wizard when im developing for android 2.0?
Jun 03 20:03:06 <readme> i don't see why you absolutely need fragments for that
Jun 03 20:03:10 <readme> but it might be a nice thing to use.
Jun 03 20:03:21 <Knossos> Doctor takes photo. Photo is parsed through a complex algorithm to determine what is wrong. Then uploads it to facebook.
Jun 03 20:03:23 <readme> I'm starting to use fragments for everything, basically
Jun 03 20:03:49 <readme> Knossos: instamalpractice
Jun 03 20:03:52 <Deifyed> yeah i like them too, i just don't like adding packages if i don't REALLY need them
Jun 03 20:03:58 <Knossos> :D
Jun 03 20:04:25 <readme> well you don't need to use the compat lib to use new features on 4.0, so if you don't see it necessary, then don't do it I guess
Jun 03 20:04:34 <T-Dub|DlolPics> All you have to do is hit "save" when editing your app in the console for it to actually update on the market right? Been a few hours no change :o. Not sure if I'm impatient or did something wrong.
Jun 03 20:04:46 <Deifyed> Point lense towards your lump, take picture. share to facebook, twitter, foursquare, reddit, ...
Jun 03 20:05:00 <readme> T-Dub|DlolPics: you've got to upload, and activate your apk and save it
Jun 03 20:05:10 <readme> and you've got to upload all the art stuff
Jun 03 20:05:10 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Ok ya I did that as well.
Jun 03 20:05:12 <Deifyed> readme: thanks for your input
Jun 03 20:05:20 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well the art stuff was already uploaded.
Jun 03 20:05:32 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I edited the description a few, and the "what new" part and hit save after that
Jun 03 20:05:42 <T-Dub|DlolPics> The only other button was "unpublish" so I assumed that isn't it lol.
Jun 03 20:05:49 <Zooklubba> lol
Jun 03 20:05:57 <Guest14786> It probably is rejecting your apk because your name is stupid.
Jun 03 20:06:21 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Never heard that one before pragma-. So original.
Jun 03 20:06:32 <Zooklubba> Instamalpractice ftw
Jun 03 20:06:41 <p_l|backup> Zooklubba: yeah :D
Jun 03 20:06:59 <Zooklubba> I would use it!
Jun 03 20:07:21 <heoa> What is Actionbar?
Jun 03 20:07:22 <Deifyed> i just googled it with no luck. readme: please develop quicker
Jun 03 20:07:24 <heoa> http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ActionBarCompat/index.html
Jun 03 20:08:24 <Zooklubba> readme, I demand to be a alpha and beta tester of instamalpractice
Jun 03 20:09:04 <t0mless> T-Dub|DlolPics did you activiate you new apk that you uploaded?
Jun 03 20:09:10 <readme> Zooklubba: ill tell you what: you can have the idea and whole business
Jun 03 20:09:15 <readme> just develop it :)
Jun 03 20:09:16 <Zooklubba> lol
Jun 03 20:09:38 <Younos> *sigh* that XOOM2 emulator thing doesnt like me or something
Jun 03 20:10:15 <Deifyed> does anyone have any idea why my app isn't searchable even though its uploaded with 300+ downloads, 140+ active users and 11x5 ratings
Jun 03 20:12:32 <readme> what is the app's name
Jun 03 20:12:49 <readme> it's probably not compatible with your device. what kind of device do you have?
Jun 03 20:13:05 <readme> I had this problem because I was using a device with CyanogenMod installed and I had copy protection turned on in my app's preferences
Jun 03 20:13:14 <Deifyed> Note
Jun 03 20:13:21 <Deifyed> i've searched for it through web play
Jun 03 20:13:21 <readme> the name is just "Note"?
Jun 03 20:13:25 <Deifyed> yeah :P
Jun 03 20:13:35 <readme> you might want to try something more unique
Jun 03 20:13:39 <readme> like Deifyed Notes
Jun 03 20:13:44 <readme> g2g
Jun 03 20:13:56 <Tricknology> hey all, if i have a service that I want to start when that app starts, and stop when the app closes.. how should I do that? start the service at the splash screen and run the entire app off a thread and cal stopService() when the app (and thus the thread) finished?
Jun 03 20:13:57 <Deifyed> it still appears behind results with names which doesn't contain Note
Jun 03 20:14:33 <readme> the algorithm cares most about active devie device installs versus total user installs ratio, and reviews
Jun 03 20:14:49 <readme> if note is in the description of an app with better ratio and reviews, then it will outrank yours
Jun 03 20:14:49 <T-Dub|DlolPics> es i did t0mless. under advance mode i can see the other older version thats deactivated
Jun 03 20:14:55 <readme> later
Jun 03 20:15:02 <Deifyed> readme: aha. thanks
Jun 03 20:15:41 <canadiancow|work> hah i just found a "bug" in android that can crash any app
Jun 03 20:16:34 <pragma-> only one?
Jun 03 20:19:07 <Tricknology> Restated:  I have an app that when it starts, it should also start a service.  When a broadcast is received this service will create a thread to handle the data I want to capture and send results back to the UI.  When the data is processed the thread is stopped.
Jun 03 20:19:14 <Tricknology> should I start this service in a thread?
Jun 03 20:19:23 <soryy708> Hello!
Jun 03 20:19:31 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work spill the beans!
Jun 03 20:19:40 <Zooklubba> Or maybe not, might not be too good. lol
Jun 03 20:19:40 <canadiancow|work> no
Jun 03 20:19:41 <soryy708> I'm trying to get the SDK to work, but it doesn't.
Jun 03 20:19:44 <Zooklubba> Nvm
Jun 03 20:19:57 <Zooklubba> oops
Jun 03 20:20:04 <Tricknology> anybody?
Jun 03 20:20:44 <Tricknology> also how do i get the data from the inner thread to the activity that may have started after the thread was created?
Jun 03 20:20:46 <Zooklubba> Trying to be funny fail.
Jun 03 20:21:22 <pragma-> canadiancow|work: it's doubtful to be an exploitable security hole; it's more likely to be your incompetence.
Jun 03 20:21:37 <canadiancow|work> shut the fuck up pragma-
Jun 03 20:21:41 <canadiancow|work> im fed up with your shit
Jun 03 20:21:49 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work: Have you notified Google and vendors and all that?
Jun 03 20:21:50 <Tricknology> lol
Jun 03 20:21:57 <pragma-> lol
Jun 03 20:22:15 <Tricknology> nobody can answer this theoretical question? I'm new to services
Jun 03 20:22:22 <Tricknology> I've read the docs but am still a little fuzzy
Jun 03 20:22:35 <Zooklubba> Tricknology, at first. If it's only a one time thing you might not need a service
Jun 03 20:22:38 <canadiancow|work> Zooklubba, i discovered this < 10 minutes ago
Jun 03 20:22:43 <Zooklubba> Oh alright
Jun 03 20:22:49 <Tricknology> no its not
Jun 03 20:22:59 <Tricknology> its a text message filter of sorts
Jun 03 20:23:15 <Tricknology> so it will start a broadcastlistener
Jun 03 20:23:38 <Tricknology> it needs to be listening the entire time the app is alive
Jun 03 20:24:02 <Tricknology> user closes app, service stops
Jun 03 20:24:24 <Tricknology> service stays active onPause()
Jun 03 20:25:35 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work, sorry for more stupid questions. But have you been able to reproduce the bug on differnet units and all that?
Jun 03 20:25:46 <canadiancow|work> yes
Jun 03 20:26:28 <Zooklubba> interesting indeed
Jun 03 20:27:42 <pragma-> Pft, I could write my app to have a null pointer, and it would crash "across different units and all that"
Jun 03 20:28:13 <Zooklubba> Good for you pragma-
Jun 03 20:28:18 * pragma- struts.
Jun 03 20:29:05 <canadiancow|work> but that wouldn't crash other apps
Jun 03 20:29:42 <Tricknology> :/
Jun 03 20:36:20 <mahamoti> when I was playing around with services, I created a bunch of background services that print out log messages and start up on boot.  now they wont go away even when i create a new emulator running a different project! how can i get rid of these?
Jun 03 20:36:57 <Zooklubba> If they are installed uninstall the app?
Jun 03 20:37:01 <Zooklubba> the app or apps
Jun 03 20:39:03 <canadiancow|work> i can definitely crash maps and chrome
Jun 03 20:40:12 <JakeWharton> i'll crash you
Jun 03 20:40:20 <mahamoti> the app isnt installed
Jun 03 20:40:28 <mahamoti> the background services are independent from the app
Jun 03 20:40:41 <mahamoti> and they stick around even when i kill and make a new emulator
Jun 03 20:40:44 <pragma-> JakeWharton: knock it off, he's sick of my shit
Jun 03 20:40:50 <pragma-> oh wait
Jun 03 20:41:17 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: i fixed your shit last night
Jun 03 20:41:21 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton i know
Jun 03 20:41:23 <canadiancow|work> you told me :)
Jun 03 20:41:29 <JakeWharton> you but you didn't respond
Jun 03 20:41:31 <canadiancow|work> but to be fair, i fixed my shit
Jun 03 20:41:38 <canadiancow|work> what you fixed doenst help me exactly
Jun 03 20:41:42 <canadiancow|work> it just helps a lot of other people :)
Jun 03 20:41:54 <pragma-> ingrate
Jun 03 20:42:50 <mahamoti> ok nvm, i guess the apps remained installed and uninstalling them did seem to fix it.  thanks
Jun 03 20:48:15 <GeeksOnHugs> I don't know what started me reading this but I just was checking out the whole hackintosh thing and jailbreak controversy...how could Apple be so foolish, knowing their history?
Jun 03 20:48:47 <GeeksOnHugs> They were hysterical - "jailbreaking can lead to cyber terrorism" and "expose chilldren to inappropriate material"  apple actually took this position
Jun 03 20:49:18 <GeeksOnHugs> if you are for jailbreaking you for for terrorism and against children
Jun 03 20:50:34 <pragma-> if you use apple in the first place, you're already for terrorism and against children, so that argument is redundant
Jun 03 20:50:45 <GeeksOnHugs> lol
Jun 03 20:50:51 <Tricknology> lol
Jun 03 20:51:38 <mahamoti> lol
Jun 03 20:51:44 <Tricknology> hey guys, can u tell me if this code will do what I think it does? :  it will start all subsequent activities under a secondary thread.  like if login started another activity.. and that started another.. etc
Jun 03 20:51:44 <Tricknology> http://pastebin.com/rwRTQ76P
Jun 03 20:51:59 <alankila> well everybody was on the terrorism bandwagon at some point
Jun 03 20:52:10 <Tricknology> I was in 1994
Jun 03 20:52:12 <alankila> it was code for "do not question this argument or you appear to be supporting murder of innocents" code
Jun 03 20:52:17 <Tricknology> but we called them "domestic terrorists"
Jun 03 20:52:49 <alankila> handy arguments like that always break down because people are too greedy and eventually use them in contexts so laughable that even the stupidest person won't buy them anymore
Jun 03 20:52:56 <alankila> that necessiates designating a new enemy of state word
Jun 03 20:54:30 <GeeksOnHugs> yeah alankilla too true...it's all so meaningless now, just a joke
Jun 03 20:54:31 <Tricknology> i guess my question is this: when an activity is started from within a thread, does the activity run inside that thread?
Jun 03 20:54:57 <GeeksOnHugs> it's like the nazi charge
Jun 03 20:55:08 <pragma-> they're not terrorists, they're freedom fighters
Jun 03 20:55:15 * pragma- whistles innocently.
Jun 03 20:55:28 * Tricknology thought this was #android-dev :(
Jun 03 20:55:49 <Tricknology> I'm sure there's a #politics somewhere
Jun 03 20:55:50 * GeeksOnHugs wonders if Tricknology is with us or with the terrorists
Jun 03 20:55:57 <Tricknology> here we go
Jun 03 20:56:04 <alankila> I'm a terraist. Earth 4ever!
Jun 03 20:56:11 <pragma-> terranist
Jun 03 20:56:19 <GeeksOnHugs> lol j/k  I don't know the answer to your question, but would actually be interested if anyone else knows
Jun 03 20:56:33 <GeeksOnHugs> is an activity started in a background thread also in that background thread?
Jun 03 20:56:36 <Tricknology> thank fsm
Jun 03 20:57:01 <pragma-> earth is just one of many specs of dust
Jun 03 20:57:05 <Tricknology> I need to work on my question asking skills because that was much better, thanks GeeksOnHugs
Jun 03 20:57:06 <pragma-> specks
Jun 03 20:57:20 <GeeksOnHugs> earth is like a thread...
Jun 03 20:57:27 <GeeksOnHugs> hehe:)
Jun 03 20:57:31 <Tricknology> who gave you guys acid?
Jun 03 20:57:32 <pragma-> pale blue dot
Jun 03 20:57:46 <GeeksOnHugs> Billions and Billions
Jun 03 20:57:50 <pragma-> served
Jun 03 20:57:53 <Tricknology> the terrists
Jun 03 20:58:08 <Tricknology> have it your way
Jun 03 20:58:35 <pragma-> Wendy's has no slogan
Jun 03 20:58:43 <GeeksOnHugs> ima find your answer trick lol...
Jun 03 20:58:46 <Tricknology> old fashioned hamburgers
Jun 03 20:58:57 <Tricknology> I've been looking at docs all day
Jun 03 20:59:04 <Tricknology> just leaving me with more questions
Jun 03 20:59:40 <pragma-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy%27s#Slogans
Jun 03 21:00:08 <pragma-> 1983 must have been a weird year for them
Jun 03 21:00:14 <GeeksOnHugs> I would guess...\
Jun 03 21:00:22 <pragma-> they hsould have kept "Where's the beef"
Jun 03 21:00:32 <Tricknology> Es Muuuuucho Más Que Comída Rapida, Es Wendy's
Jun 03 21:00:33 <GeeksOnHugs> that no, it's not in a different thread, but an active activity is in the main UI thread
Jun 03 21:00:37 <Tricknology> haha i loved that one
Jun 03 21:00:48 <GeeksOnHugs> but total uneducated guess
Jun 03 21:01:03 <Tricknology> hmm
Jun 03 21:01:12 <Tricknology> i just want a service to run for as long as the app runs
Jun 03 21:01:13 <Tricknology> thats all
Jun 03 21:01:22 <Tricknology> app finish service finish
Jun 03 21:01:31 <GeeksOnHugs> well that's tricky
Jun 03 21:01:40 <Tricknology> sand that's why i'm here :)
Jun 03 21:01:42 <GeeksOnHugs> the only guarantee for the end of the activity is onpause
Jun 03 21:01:54 <GeeksOnHugs> for intervening
Jun 03 21:02:29 <GeeksOnHugs> basically start your service when any of your activities hit on resume, and stop it onpause if the next activity is not part of your app?
Jun 03 21:03:08 <Tricknology> well, i guess..
Jun 03 21:03:13 <GeeksOnHugs> the whole activity thing is taking me a while to get my head around...what is an app, what is real?
Jun 03 21:03:19 <Tricknology> but.. i need to to run in the background
Jun 03 21:03:27 <Tricknology> even if the current activity isn't part of my app
Jun 03 21:03:46 <Tricknology> is this real life?
Jun 03 21:03:58 <pragma-> GeeksOnHugs: nothing is real, nothing's to get hung about
Jun 03 21:04:04 <pragma-> strawberry fields forever
Jun 03 21:05:00 <Tricknology> something was slipped into pragma-'s coffee today
Jun 03 21:05:13 <pragma-> always -- no, sometimes -- think it's be, but you know... I know when it's a dream.  I think -- er, no... I mean, ah, yes, but it's all wrong.
Jun 03 21:05:48 <GeeksOnHugs> the matrix has you...
Jun 03 21:05:56 <pragma-> or the beatles
Jun 03 21:06:06 <Tricknology> he took the blue pill
Jun 03 21:06:08 <pragma-> s/be/me/
Jun 03 21:07:18 <Tricknology> like this idea
Jun 03 21:07:33 <Tricknology> a music player playing music even though you are surfing the web or playing a game
Jun 03 21:07:56 <Tricknology> i want to do that with my service instead of a music player
Jun 03 21:08:35 <Tricknology> just don't bind the service to an activity?
Jun 03 21:08:46 <pragma-> so you want a music player you play your service while you are surfing the web?
Jun 03 21:08:52 <pragma-> to play
Jun 03 21:09:00 <Tricknology> no..
Jun 03 21:09:09 <Tricknology> i want my app to start a service that runs in the background
Jun 03 21:09:22 <Tricknology> and stop the service when the app is closed
Jun 03 21:09:24 <Tricknology> terminated
Jun 03 21:09:27 <Tricknology> not paused
Jun 03 21:09:46 <pragma-> so use startService() instead of binders
Jun 03 21:10:02 <sukramTM> Hello, I work with xml Layouts for my APP. But i dont now, how i can change a text string in the layout with a event (like clickonbutton)?
Jun 03 21:10:06 <pragma-> and you control when to stop service
Jun 03 21:10:16 <Tricknology> onClickListener
Jun 03 21:10:16 <sukramTM> Without loading a new layout
Jun 03 21:10:19 <Tricknology> is what you need
Jun 03 21:10:27 <sukramTM> that i now
Jun 03 21:10:27 <mahamoti> use context.startService and context.stopService
Jun 03 21:10:37 <sukramTM> know
Jun 03 21:10:40 <sukramTM> @trick
Jun 03 21:10:50 <pragma-> sukramTM: use findViewById() to get a reference to the textview
Jun 03 21:10:54 <Tricknology> thanks guys… but now do i have to pass the context through the entire app or can i use getApplicationContext()
Jun 03 21:11:04 <sukramTM> i want to manipulate the text in the layout
Jun 03 21:11:12 <Tricknology> sukramTM
Jun 03 21:11:26 <Tricknology> you made a TextView in your xml right? it has a name?
Jun 03 21:11:31 <sukramTM> yes
Jun 03 21:11:36 <Tricknology> in your code, you initialize it
Jun 03 21:11:43 <Tricknology> in your xml
Jun 03 21:11:51 <Tricknology> you can change that programatically inside your application
Jun 03 21:12:04 <Tricknology> is this what you want to do?
Jun 03 21:12:08 <sukramTM> yes
Jun 03 21:12:38 <Tricknology> set up a variable for it of type EditText
Jun 03 21:12:49 <pragma-> wat
Jun 03 21:13:01 <Tricknology> EditText changeme;
Jun 03 21:13:01 <sukramTM> the text have the id: apgarres
Jun 03 21:13:06 <Tricknology> ok
Jun 03 21:13:09 <GeeksOnHugs> whats the sqlite syntax for a non null field is it like CREATE MYTABLE FIELD1 TEXT NOT NULL FIELD2 TEXT...
Jun 03 21:13:27 <Tricknology> changeme = findViewById(R.id.apgarres)
Jun 03 21:13:31 <Tricknology> SQL
Jun 03 21:13:39 <Tricknology> yes
Jun 03 21:13:45 <Tricknology> TEXT NOT NULL
Jun 03 21:13:47 <sukramTM> Edit text ist what i searched. Thank you
Jun 03 21:13:50 <GeeksOnHugs> sweet ty
Jun 03 21:13:57 <Tricknology> if  u want it to be text
Jun 03 21:14:20 <Tricknology> you can also use BOOLEAN, INTEGER, etc
Jun 03 21:14:23 <Tricknology> BLOB
Jun 03 21:14:43 <Tricknology> ^^ for data, like bitmaps or files
Jun 03 21:14:51 <pragma-> if he wants to just change a textview, he doesn't need an EditText...
Jun 03 21:15:02 <sukramTM> what i need than?
Jun 03 21:15:07 <Tricknology> fair enough
Jun 03 21:15:13 <pragma-> TextView tv = findViewById(R.id.the_textview); tv.setText("I am stupid");
Jun 03 21:15:19 <Tricknology> aah shit
Jun 03 21:15:21 <Tricknology> thats what i mean
Jun 03 21:15:39 <Tricknology> pragma is absolutely correct
Jun 03 21:15:52 <sukramTM> ok
Jun 03 21:15:59 <Tricknology> in your case TextView tv = findViewById(R.id.apgarres); tv.setText("I am stupid");
Jun 03 21:16:19 <sukramTM> thx for your help Trick and pragma
Jun 03 21:16:28 <Tricknology> helps a lot if you name the variables something… more apparent
Jun 03 21:17:14 <Tricknology> if u or someone else comes back to the code they'll have to figure out what that means and waste time..
Jun 03 21:17:20 <Tricknology> just good coding practice
Jun 03 21:17:40 <pragma-> on the other hand, if he wants a user to be able to change the text by editing it themselves with a keyboard, he shoudl be using an EditText in the first place
Jun 03 21:18:22 <Tricknology> yea
Jun 03 21:19:17 <Tricknology> EditText et = findViewById(R.id.your_edittext); String text = et.getText().toString();
Jun 03 21:22:31 <Tricknology> so pragma, let me get this right.. at splash screen, i call context.startService().. when the application is closed, wherever that is.. i call context.stopService().  how does the call know which service I'm talking about?
Jun 03 21:23:23 <Tricknology> do i have to pass the intent around? or do i just use Bundle.getIntent()
Jun 03 21:23:34 <sukramTM> @Tricknology: apgarres ist short for APGAR Result and APGAR ist a score system for medicals
Jun 03 21:24:31 <Tricknology> then that would be a good one, maybe tvApga_result would be better?
Jun 03 21:24:38 <pragma-> Tricknology: you pass the service class in the starting intent
Jun 03 21:24:39 <Tricknology> tv for TextView
Jun 03 21:24:57 <pragma-> same with stopService
Jun 03 21:25:01 <Tricknology> idk, I'm just anal about stuff like that.. i used to use x1, as, er, as variables.. haha
Jun 03 21:25:50 <pragma-> stopService(new Intent(this, MyService.class));
Jun 03 21:26:09 <Tricknology> ooooh
Jun 03 21:26:12 <Tricknology> was thinking extras
Jun 03 21:26:57 <Tricknology> thank you so much pragma- i feel like my mind just expanded 17%
Jun 03 21:27:26 <pragma-> Tricknology: I'll be calling upon you for a favor sometime in the future.
Jun 03 21:27:43 <Tricknology> if it involves code i'm down.. i love code
Jun 03 21:27:55 <Tricknology> complex mathematical stuff, u got it
Jun 03 21:27:56 * pragma- extends his pinky ring to be kissed.
Jun 03 21:28:29 <pragma-> Yeah, complex math sometimes makes my brain wander.
Jun 03 21:29:48 <pragma-> I had an issue where I couldn't figure out how to calculate the viewsize of a graph window given a scroll/scale factor; I had the dumb.
Jun 03 21:29:48 <Tricknology> when i first started learning about location.. i tried to make a semi-spherical model of the earth and plot 2d points to it and use arc lengths to find distances
Jun 03 21:29:58 <Tricknology> until i learned distanceBetween()
Jun 03 21:30:01 <sukramTM> TextView tv = findViewById(R.id.apgarres); give me the error: Type mismatch: cannot convert from View to TextView
Jun 03 21:30:10 <pragma-> sukramTM: cast it
Jun 03 21:30:14 <Tricknology> ah yea
Jun 03 21:30:27 <Tricknology> (TextView) findViewById(R.id.apgarres);
Jun 03 21:30:29 <T-Dub|DlolPics> TextView tv = (TextView)findViewById
Jun 03 21:30:52 <Tricknology> anytime you get an error like that its due to casting...
Jun 03 21:31:06 <pragma-> until you get a runtime invalid class-cast exception
Jun 03 21:31:16 <sukramTM> what means "casting"? I just know "Casting Shows"
Jun 03 21:31:19 <Tricknology> or Integer.parseInteger("1");
Jun 03 21:31:24 <pragma-> casting shows...
Jun 03 21:31:26 <Tricknology> type casting
Jun 03 21:31:46 <Tricknology> you can't say:  int i = "1";
Jun 03 21:31:50 <Tricknology> "1" is a string
Jun 03 21:32:12 <Tricknology> valid: int i = Integer.parseInteger("1");
Jun 03 21:32:26 <sukramTM> or int i = 1
Jun 03 21:32:31 <Tricknology> haha or that
Jun 03 21:33:14 <Tricknology> if you want to go int to String, i use this dirty hack
Jun 03 21:33:27 <pragma-> isn't "sukram" part of the death chant in indiana jones and the temple of doom where the rip out the heart?
Jun 03 21:33:30 <Tricknology> String s = 1 + "";
Jun 03 21:33:33 <pragma-> where they
Jun 03 21:33:53 <Tricknology> i believe that's kalay-mah
Jun 03 21:34:11 <pragma-> kali mah sukram de
Jun 03 21:34:22 <Tricknology> lol
Jun 03 21:34:27 <Tricknology> there's more?
Jun 03 21:35:44 <pragma-> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087469/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr0721000
Jun 03 21:36:12 <pragma-> if it doesn't auto-scroll to it, search for Kali
Jun 03 21:38:29 <Tricknology> shakti
Jun 03 21:38:31 <Tricknology> close enough
Jun 03 21:38:49 <Tricknology> so would this be enough to start the activity?
Jun 03 21:39:16 <Tricknology> Intent serviceIntent = new Intent(getApplicationContext(), Service.class); this.startService(serviceIntent);
Jun 03 21:39:49 <Tricknology> i could wrap it and get rid of that declaration..
Jun 03 21:40:17 <Spanska> I'm trying to call getUserVisibleHint() from a ListFragment but it is apparently undefined. How come? It should be a Fragment function and a ListFragment actually extends a Fragment. What am I missing here?
Jun 03 21:40:47 <JakeWharton> Perhaps you're missing the newest version of the support library where that was introduced
Jun 03 21:41:50 <Tricknology> or is this better? pragma-
Jun 03 21:41:51 <Tricknology> Context appCtx = getApplicationContext(); appCtx.startService(new Intent(getApplicationContext(),SMSInterceptorService.class));
Jun 03 21:41:55 <heoa> Why do @override -commands cause errors with Android Samples?
Jun 03 21:42:07 <Tricknology> caps?
Jun 03 21:42:12 <heoa> (I get the samples running but I need all the time remove the @override -things, why?)
Jun 03 21:42:20 <readme> because you need to set compiler compliance level to 1.6
Jun 03 21:42:25 <readme> in the project properties
Jun 03 21:42:27 <readme> under java compiler
Jun 03 21:42:37 <heoa> where is that?
Jun 03 21:42:37 <readme> interface overrides don't work unless you do
Jun 03 21:42:45 <Spanska> JakeWharton: how can I know this? It's part of android.app.Fragment and I have this in my imports.
Jun 03 21:42:47 <readme> poke around a bit in the regions i hinted at
Jun 03 21:42:57 <readme> or google
Jun 03 21:43:13 <JakeWharton> oh native fragments
Jun 03 21:43:19 <readme> or better yet, make a video tutorial for people on this and give me the link
Jun 03 21:43:25 <readme> so when people ask I don't have to explain
Jun 03 21:43:27 <readme> because I answer this a lot
Jun 03 21:43:35 <JakeWharton> are you running on Android 4.0.3?
Jun 03 21:43:37 <Spanska> I'm really at a loss, I tried cleaning the project too.. just in case
Jun 03 21:43:39 <JakeWharton> or newer
Jun 03 21:44:47 <Spanska> JakeWharton: my device is running 4.0.1.. I believe I'm building on 4.0
Jun 03 21:44:54 <JakeWharton> well it was introduced in API 15
Jun 03 21:45:02 <JakeWharton> and that would be API 14 that you're running on
Jun 03 21:46:17 <Spanska> JakeWharton: thanks for pointing that sublety, I didn't see it in the pale grey
Jun 03 21:46:40 <heoa> readme: can I change it to 1.7? I found 1.6 and then pressed run but it is taking a long time now...
Jun 03 21:46:40 <JakeWharton> yeah you have to be careful about the individual method APIs
Jun 03 21:46:46 <JakeWharton> they're easy to overlook
Jun 03 21:46:53 <Spanska> JakeWharton: how can I make sure I build on 4.0.3? I should have the API files in Eclipse
Jun 03 21:47:32 <Spanska> JakeWharton: found it, build target in the properties
Jun 03 21:47:45 <Spanska> JakeWharton: thanks again, that will save me some time, I appreciate
Jun 03 21:47:56 <readme> heoa: no
Jun 03 21:48:05 <readme> heoa: leave it on 1.6
Jun 03 21:50:15 <pragma-> reading is hard
Jun 03 21:50:24 <GeeksOnHugs> What's the most efficient way to see if a string is null?  Cause saying if (mystring = "")   ... creates an object
Jun 03 21:50:25 <pragma-> make video tutorials
Jun 03 21:50:27 <Spanska> well, actually it's not better, my device runs 4.0.1 so it doesn't have that new method available
Jun 03 21:50:29 <GeeksOnHugs> is there a more efficient way
Jun 03 21:50:47 <Spanska> I guess I should switch to compatible Fragments instead of native ones rights?
Jun 03 21:50:58 <pragma-> GeeksOnHugs: if(string == null)
Jun 03 21:51:16 <GeeksOnHugs> so null there is not an object?
Jun 03 21:51:30 <pragma-> are you checking if it's null or if its empty?
Jun 03 21:51:34 <JakeWharton> Spanska: yes
Jun 03 21:51:45 <GeeksOnHugs> empty (nullstring?)
Jun 03 21:51:49 <Spanska> gotta figure how to convert them now
Jun 03 21:52:02 <pragma-> null != empty
Jun 03 21:52:40 <readme> http://i.imgur.com/cpTsb.jpg
Jun 03 21:52:44 <readme> docs....
Jun 03 21:53:22 <pragma-> dox.
Jun 03 21:53:52 <readme> originally it said vox. i figured dox was close enough.
Jun 03 21:54:01 <pragma-> GeeksOnHugs: surely you know the difference between string = null and string = ""
Jun 03 21:54:04 <GeeksOnHugs> OK so I have to use ""
Jun 03 21:54:27 <GeeksOnHugs> well an unitialized string field = "" or is it null?
Jun 03 21:54:29 <pragma-> GeeksOnHugs: not necessarily; I'm not sure what you're trying to do.
Jun 03 21:54:39 <GeeksOnHugs> I just want to check if it's been assigned yet
Jun 03 21:54:44 <t0mless> null
Jun 03 21:54:52 <GeeksOnHugs> OK cool, ty
Jun 03 21:54:59 <t0mless> unless you did String s = new String();
Jun 03 21:55:11 <GeeksOnHugs> and then...
Jun 03 21:55:19 <pragma-> s.length()
Jun 03 21:55:21 <t0mless> then it would not be null
Jun 03 21:55:24 <GeeksOnHugs> ok
Jun 03 21:55:32 <pragma-> or was it size()?
Jun 03 21:55:34 <GeeksOnHugs> thanks
Jun 03 21:55:36 <pragma-> I never can keep my languages straight
Jun 03 21:55:38 <t0mless> I think it's length
Jun 03 21:56:20 <GeeksOnHugs> i've been doing one primary language since college....Object Pascal.  This is my first second language :P
Jun 03 21:56:44 <pragma-> the length field (opposed to the length() method) was only for arrays, i thought
Jun 03 21:56:44 <GeeksOnHugs> besides SQL and some minor Perl scripting and stuff here and there
Jun 03 21:57:19 <t0mless> dammit, now you're gunna make me look it up pragma-
Jun 03 21:57:32 <pragma-> length()
Jun 03 21:57:53 <pragma-> only one field: CASE_INSENSITIVE_ORDER
Jun 03 21:58:28 <t0mless> yea, it is length
Jun 03 21:58:32 <pragma-> length()
Jun 03 21:58:36 <t0mless> right
Jun 03 21:58:37 <t0mless> length method
Jun 03 21:58:39 <t0mless> not field
Jun 03 21:58:44 * pragma- autistic.
Jun 03 21:59:26 <pragma-> arrays have a length field :p
Jun 03 22:00:24 <JakeWharton> howLongYouIs()
Jun 03 22:01:40 * pragma- overflows the result.
Jun 03 22:04:40 <Tricknology> pragma- just so i have this right.. if i use context.startService() INSIDE of an activity, in this case my splash screen, the service will continue running even after the activity is destroyed or paused?
Jun 03 22:05:54 <pragma-> Tricknology: yes, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html
Jun 03 22:06:16 <Tricknology> yeah I'm reading that, I'm just wondering if i comprehended that correctly
Jun 03 22:06:36 <Tricknology> so its bound to the context's main thread, not the activity?
Jun 03 22:06:43 <pragma-> there's also the services dev guide
Jun 03 22:06:50 <pragma-> (the link in the blue box on that page)
Jun 03 22:07:39 <Tricknology> exactly what i was looking for
Jun 03 22:07:43 <Tricknology> +3%
Jun 03 22:08:29 <pragma-> it runs on the main thread
Jun 03 22:11:21 <Tricknology> so stay with me on this one…   if i created another thread, and started the service from that
Jun 03 22:11:25 <Tricknology> err
Jun 03 22:11:36 <readme> hey so, the preferred way of hooking views from a Fragment is to call findViewById on the view you're returning from onCreateView, right?
Jun 03 22:12:15 <Tricknology> if i created another thread from inside an activity, and started the service from that thread, if the activity pauses or destroys, the thread is destroyed and the service is stopped?  or if i use context.startService it will persist?
Jun 03 22:12:34 <Tricknology> yea
Jun 03 22:12:39 <Tricknology> you can even clean it up a bit
Jun 03 22:12:46 <Tricknology> make an initViews()
Jun 03 22:12:51 <Tricknology> put all that crap in there
Jun 03 22:12:57 <dragorn> Tricknology: you can tell the service to stay resident until it's killed off; I forget the exact syntax but it's in the service docs
Jun 03 22:13:20 <Tricknology> resident to the context, and not the secondary thread?
Jun 03 22:13:21 <dragorn> Tricknology: it will keep running even with nothing connected to it, until the system needs resources and really wants to kill it
Jun 03 22:13:33 <dragorn> resident to the system
Jun 03 22:13:42 <dragorn> you can start a service and it'll keep running until you kill it explicitly
Jun 03 22:13:48 <Tricknology> oooh exciting
Jun 03 22:13:50 <dragorn> or until the system is really tight on resources
Jun 03 22:14:09 <Tricknology> so help me out here
Jun 03 22:14:21 <Tricknology> context is specific to the application right?
Jun 03 22:14:29 <Tricknology> in the case of context.startService()
Jun 03 22:14:44 <Duffman> hey guys, I'm working on this app and I'm drawing rectangles on a google map. The rectangles are drawn but in some cases (when the rectangle, which is called a Spot in my code) is discovered, I'd like the rectangle to be filled with a color. This is also working but the rectangles aren't the least transparent and I don't know how I can achieve transparent rectangles. As you can see in the
Jun 03 22:14:44 <Duffman> code I tried using ".setAlpha(75)". Also, this code is only proof-of-concept so it will be refactored soon.:) I just want to get it to work first. Here's the code: https://gist.github.com/2865194     Can someone help me on this or tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Jun 03 22:15:07 <Tricknology> if app is destroyed and created again will context1 == context2?
Jun 03 22:15:21 <Tricknology> using getApplicationContext()
Jun 03 22:15:52 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 03 22:16:05 <Tricknology> webpage not available?
Jun 03 22:16:11 <dragorn> Tricknology: I'm sick as hell right now so I'm trying to find my code to confirm the api, but I know it's in the android docs and stackexchange answers, b/c that's where I found it
Jun 03 22:16:21 <Tricknology> use patebin.com
Jun 03 22:16:50 <Tricknology> and are you redrawing your rectangle on the canvas?
Jun 03 22:17:24 <Duffman> euhm, it gets drawn every few miliseconds
Jun 03 22:17:38 <Duffman> the draw method is invoked every few mmiliseconds
Jun 03 22:21:23 <Tricknology> ah back, weird internet outage
Jun 03 22:21:34 <Tricknology> dragon did u get that?
Jun 03 22:21:58 <Tricknology> using getApplicationContext(), if app is destroyed and created again will context1 == context2?
Jun 03 22:22:22 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 03 22:22:32 <readme> if the app is destroyed and created again, how are you even able to retain a reference to context1 such that you would care to ask the question?
Jun 03 22:22:44 <readme> persisting a context would be quite ridiculous
Jun 03 22:23:31 <JakeWharton> fo shizzle
Jun 03 22:24:06 <Jug6ernaut> straight up
Jun 03 22:25:39 <Tricknology> grr
Jun 03 22:25:49 <Tricknology> using getApplicationContext(), if app is destroyed and created again will context1 == context2?
Jun 03 22:25:55 <Jug6ernaut> the hardest part of developing an application
Jun 03 22:26:02 <Jug6ernaut> thinking of a name and icon :|
Jun 03 22:26:12 <gparent> hey guys, Im trying to make my own ROM, is this the most appropriate channel for that kind of discussion?
Jun 03 22:26:26 <gparent> nothing too complicated, just stripping out some apps and pulling a few changes from other projects
Jun 03 22:26:42 <JakeWharton> Tricknology: NO
Jun 03 22:27:03 <Tricknology> paused?
Jun 03 22:27:08 <JakeWharton> Jug6ernaut: the hardest part about software engineering is naming and cache invalidation
Jun 03 22:27:11 <JakeWharton> …and off by one errors
Jun 03 22:27:57 <Jug6ernaut> 0001010110012
Jun 03 22:28:05 <JakeWharton> trinary FTW
Jun 03 22:28:11 <readme> I can find at least one Fragmnet in the SDK samples that uses onCreateView to find the views in the view it creates with findViewById and this is how I've been doing it in my fragments, too
Jun 03 22:28:26 <readme> but, I also see some that use getActivity() to call findViewById on the parent activity of the fragment
Jun 03 22:28:34 <readme> isn't that kind of ugly!?
Jun 03 22:28:44 <readme> it's not a good way to keep your fragment working independently, imo
Jun 03 22:28:44 <JakeWharton> readme: yes, and slow
Jun 03 22:28:53 <JakeWharton> very much not the correct way to do things
Jun 03 22:29:24 <readme> thanks for the validation
Jun 03 22:29:37 <Jug6ernaut> JakeWharton can u think of an icon for me then? xD
Jun 03 22:31:23 <Duffman> Tricknology: I tried pastebin but it was slow. Anyway I waited a bit so here it is: http://pastebin.com/tbqiNqX8
Jun 03 22:31:53 <Duffman> the draw()-method gets invoked every few milliseconds so yes; I am redrawing on my canvas
Jun 03 22:34:14 <Tricknology> calling invalidate() ?
Jun 03 22:35:07 <ZettaZete> Hey guys, alright, so I have a package called com.ZettaZete.test I have a class defined in com.test.Test.OnCreate how can I make a manifest to launch that "OnCreate"?
Jun 03 22:35:51 <Tricknology> try setting alpha after color?
Jun 03 22:35:51 <Tricknology> idk
Jun 03 22:38:03 <Duffman> I'll try :)
Jun 03 22:38:22 <readme> ZettaZete: create a new project with all default settings. Use the exact intent-filter that is generated. It creats a launcher.
Jun 03 22:38:33 <ZettaZete> http://pastebin.com/GS5m3HNQ here is what I have now
Jun 03 22:39:02 <ZettaZete> I think its just my package names that are messed up readme.
Jun 03 22:39:09 <readme> ZettaZete: you already have that
Jun 03 22:39:14 <readme> yes
Jun 03 22:39:22 <readme> onCreate should be a method, not a class
Jun 03 22:39:25 <readme> I think you are confused
Jun 03 22:39:36 <ZettaZete> Sorry it is a method but under the class Test
Jun 03 22:39:43 <Duffman> Tricknology
Jun 03 22:39:45 <readme> on it's supposed to be lowercase
Jun 03 22:39:47 <readme> onCreate
Jun 03 22:39:50 <Duffman> thanks!! Setting .setAlpha after .setColor works :s
Jun 03 22:39:55 <readme> use the @override annotation so you don't screw that up again
Jun 03 22:39:57 <Tricknology> :D
Jun 03 22:40:08 <Duffman> I don't understand why but ...
Jun 03 22:40:15 <Tricknology> i think it has to do with setColor
Jun 03 22:40:22 <Tricknology> there is another parameter in there
Jun 03 22:40:32 <Tricknology> one that sets alpha i think
Jun 03 22:40:53 <ZettaZete> readme, actually just checked it is lowercased. It has the @override annotation
Jun 03 22:41:04 <Duffman> oh I see
Jun 03 22:41:10 <Duffman> well thanks, it works now :)
Jun 03 22:41:11 <Duffman> awesome ^^
Jun 03 22:41:17 <readme> ZettaZete: and this doesn't work!?
Jun 03 22:41:27 <dragorn> JakeWharton: started using abs.  Good work.  I'm sure one more tiny project using it isn't a big deal, but hey :)
Jun 03 22:41:30 <readme> show the source of the Activity
Jun 03 22:41:32 <Tricknology> yeah you want this
Jun 03 22:41:35 <Tricknology> setARGB
Jun 03 22:41:46 <Tricknology> setARGB(int a, int r, int g, int b)
Jun 03 22:41:48 <Tricknology> a = alpha
Jun 03 22:42:12 <readme> com.ZettaZete.test <--- this is why, I think. Shouldn't it be com.ZettaZete.test.Test
Jun 03 22:42:17 <readme> or maybe just .Test
Jun 03 22:42:19 <Tricknology> instead of setColor(), then you can get rid of setAlpha() unless u like it like that, whatever.. glad i could help tho :D feels good
Jun 03 22:42:23 <readme> since you are already in that package, in all likelihood
Jun 03 22:42:33 <ZettaZete> As the package?
Jun 03 22:42:53 <readme> ZettaZete: as android:name for the activity
Jun 03 22:43:08 <readme> it should be "com.ZettaZete.test.Test" or just ".Test"
Jun 03 22:44:36 <ZettaZete> readme thread exiting with uncaught exception.
Jun 03 22:44:48 <readme> lets see the exception
Jun 03 22:44:52 <readme> entire stacktrace
Jun 03 22:45:08 <ZettaZete> However I think I might know something else that could possibly be wrong. How can I get to that? I'm just using Logcat ^^
Jun 03 22:45:16 <readme> its' in logcat
Jun 03 22:45:35 <ZettaZete> <- is es a noob
Jun 03 22:47:44 <readme> show->view->logcat
Jun 03 22:47:47 <readme> $adb logcat
Jun 03 22:47:50 <readme> ddms
Jun 03 22:51:57 <ZettaZete> readme, http://pastebin.com/EHrf8cnz
Jun 03 22:54:53 <gparent> Where would be the most logical place to remove some system apks from the ROM I'm building (say, the alarm clock)
Jun 03 22:54:59 <gparent> I'm compiling AOSP
Jun 03 22:55:10 <gparent> so many makefiles it's hard to find which ones I should be modifying
Jun 03 22:56:16 <Younos> gparent: try #android-root
Jun 03 22:56:28 <gparent> Thanks :)
Jun 03 22:58:06 <ZettaZete> readme, Line 315
Jun 03 22:58:17 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there any reason why android:scaleType="fitXY" wouldn't work in 1.5?
Jun 03 22:58:23 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Because it isn't :(
Jun 03 22:59:11 <readme> ZettaZete: paste activit ysource
Jun 03 23:01:46 <Spanska> alright, let's discover AndroidBarSherlock
Jun 03 23:02:07 <pragma-> I already have
Jun 03 23:02:13 <ZettaZete> readme, http://pastebin.com/0jDPT8nV
Jun 03 23:02:27 <readme> pragma-: I'm pretty sure you haven't used _Android_BarSherlock :)
Jun 03 23:03:16 <ZettaZete> readme, oh and ignore the UnityPlayer for now. That is to be implemented after I figure this portion out first.
Jun 03 23:03:47 <readme> your activity is in com.test
Jun 03 23:03:47 <ZettaZete> However, looking at it, how much its that my compiler can't see the layout xml.
Jun 03 23:03:52 <readme> com.test.Test would reference it
Jun 03 23:04:05 <readme> but your package is declared as com.ZettaZete.test
Jun 03 23:04:12 <readme> so you should put your activity there
Jun 03 23:04:15 <readme> not in com.test
Jun 03 23:04:23 <pragma-> oh
Jun 03 23:04:42 <pragma-> that's a cruel and misleading trick
Jun 03 23:04:43 <readme> pragma-: no worries. I haven't used nonexistant software either
Jun 03 23:04:48 <ZettaZete> I can't put it there, I'm using Unity which is using JNI to access the jar of this.
Jun 03 23:05:13 <JakeWharton> androidbarsherlock.com :(
Jun 03 23:05:18 <readme> you don't use JNI just to call a java class, ZettaZete
Jun 03 23:05:22 <readme> you use it to call native code
Jun 03 23:05:34 <pragma-> what's up with the "sherlock" naming?
Jun 03 23:06:06 <ZettaZete> Which I am, in another script. However, I"m trying to have my UnityPlayer underneath a UI Layout of Android
Jun 03 23:06:37 <pragma-> JakeWharton: can has what means "sherlock" for happyfuntime?
Jun 03 23:06:47 <readme> and "com.test.Test" doesn't work in your manifest?
Jun 03 23:07:01 <ZettaZete> I can try again.
Jun 03 23:07:19 <pragma-> I used to say "testes" instead of "tests" for the longest time.
Jun 03 23:07:23 <JakeWharton> pragma-: i followed a tutorial about how to work with the accelerometer across different API levels and they named their classes AcceleratorInspector. So up until its release ABS was called ActionBarInspector. At the last minute I decided it needed a catchier name so I googled "inspector"…
Jun 03 23:07:32 <readme> haha
Jun 03 23:07:50 <JakeWharton> #TheMoreYouKnow
Jun 03 23:08:15 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Does api 3 (1.5) have a max screen size?
Jun 03 23:08:16 <pragma-> ActionBarGadget
Jun 03 23:08:28 <T-Dub|DlolPics> my fill_parent totally doesn't fill everything :O?
Jun 03 23:08:28 <pragma-> Go-go Gadget Bar!
Jun 03 23:08:29 <ZettaZete> readme still crashes, I'm starting to put my money on the fact I might be trying to call a layout that the compiler can't find.
Jun 03 23:08:36 <readme> yes
Jun 03 23:08:39 <JakeWharton> why are you messing with Android 1.5
Jun 03 23:08:43 <readme> resources don't work in jars ZettaZete
Jun 03 23:08:50 <pragma-> because his name is dumb
Jun 03 23:08:52 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I just wanted to make a app with mega low api
Jun 03 23:08:56 <readme> you need to use the whole library project
Jun 03 23:08:59 <T-Dub|DlolPics> For more device capability
Jun 03 23:09:01 <readme> build against the source
Jun 03 23:09:07 <ZettaZete> readme, alright so I can't use xmls?
Jun 03 23:09:13 <readme> just don't build a jar.
Jun 03 23:09:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Should I build like 2.1+ JakeWharton?
Jun 03 23:09:22 <readme> use the source tree in your build and it will merge the resources
Jun 03 23:09:26 <readme> library projects, learn em
Jun 03 23:09:38 <Younos> i'd say android 2.2 is pretty much my minimum version
Jun 03 23:09:40 <JakeWharton> If I was starting an app it would probably have a minimum of 2.2
Jun 03 23:09:48 <readme> yeah me too
Jun 03 23:09:57 <readme> I build against 2.2 even for clients
Jun 03 23:10:03 <pragma-> pft, I used 1.6 as my minimum until actionbarsherlock forced me to go to 2.1
Jun 03 23:10:09 <readme> i mean, 2.2 is my minsdk
Jun 03 23:10:09 <ZettaZete> Might be kind of difficult there. 2 different platforms. One for this onCreate and the other to handle 3d rendering.
Jun 03 23:10:12 <readme> I build against api level 156
Jun 03 23:10:14 <readme> 15*
Jun 03 23:10:20 <pragma-> I even had 2 users on 1.6
Jun 03 23:10:22 <Younos> 156 noooes
Jun 03 23:10:23 <readme> min = 8, target = 15
Jun 03 23:10:25 <ZettaZete> Well, native code and the the 3d rendering.
Jun 03 23:10:32 <readme> Younos: i'm future proofing k
Jun 03 23:11:08 <pragma-> my target is 16
Jun 03 23:11:14 <readme> is 16 out!?
Jun 03 23:11:24 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 03 23:11:27 <readme> oh
Jun 03 23:11:33 <pragma-> FUTURE-PREWF
Jun 03 23:11:40 <ZettaZete> readme, well, is there a way to hard code the layouts?
Jun 03 23:11:41 <readme> pragma- must actually be referring to his local age of consent laws then
Jun 03 23:11:52 <pragma-> it is 16 here, in fact
Jun 03 23:12:01 <pragma-> isn't it like 14 or 13 in mexico?
Jun 03 23:12:11 <readme> ZettaZete: nope, they're preprocessed at compile time.
Jun 03 23:12:21 <readme> you can use java though
Jun 03 23:12:32 <readme> and just create views programmatically.
Jun 03 23:12:34 <Younos> ZettaZete: 3d rendering starts with 2.2 because of opengl es 2.0, right
Jun 03 23:12:35 <ZettaZete> enlighten this nooby soul.
Jun 03 23:13:07 <readme> TextView view = new TextView(this); view.setText("Hello, World!"); setContentView(view);
Jun 03 23:13:13 <Spanska> JakeWharton: would you know why Eclipse flags lots of errors in ActionBarSherlock's code?
Jun 03 23:13:23 <readme> http://i.imgur.com/mQAlN.jpg
Jun 03 23:13:26 <JakeWharton> because you have it set up incorrectly
Jun 03 23:13:29 <ZettaZete> Younos, I believe 2.0.2? or something like that?
Jun 03 23:13:48 <JakeWharton> JDK 1.6 compliance, compile with Android 4.0 or greater
Jun 03 23:13:51 <JakeWharton> i forget the other one
Jun 03 23:14:11 <ZettaZete> readme, any chance you can lead me through trying to recreate a framelayout?
Jun 03 23:14:19 <ZettaZete> Just a framelayout section though.
Jun 03 23:14:41 <readme> try it first. you might usrprise yourself
Jun 03 23:14:48 <readme> surprise, even
Jun 03 23:15:10 <ZettaZete> I have no idea where you start, but it is now my mission!
Jun 03 23:15:42 <Spanska> JakeWharton: I chose Android 4.0, imported the v13 support package and I wouldn't know for JDK 1.6 though
Jun 03 23:15:43 <FFForever> Good afternoon
Jun 03 23:15:43 <Younos> ZettaZete: i'm using java, so i'm basically stuck with 2.3.3 as minsdk if i want to use vertex array buffers
Jun 03 23:15:47 <sukramTM> why this dont work: int iss[] = spinner1.getSelectedItemPosition(); Eclipse Error: Type mismatch: cannot convert from int to int[]
Jun 03 23:15:50 <Spanska> most errors are regarding Overrides
Jun 03 23:15:53 <pragma-> JakeWharton: the "other one" is minsdk 2.1, yes?
Jun 03 23:15:55 <sukramTM> I want to save the position in a array
Jun 03 23:16:04 <FFForever> What's the best way to do in-line editing on list views?
Jun 03 23:16:14 <JakeWharton> you don't need the v13 support library
Jun 03 23:16:20 <pragma-> v4
Jun 03 23:17:05 <pragma-> sukramTM: because you don't know java
Jun 03 23:17:16 <pragma-> or how to read the api docs
Jun 03 23:17:27 <Spanska> JakeWharton: v4 neither?
Jun 03 23:17:27 <readme> dox
Jun 03 23:19:39 <JakeWharton> @Override errors are due to having the wrong JDK compliance set
Jun 03 23:22:16 <Spanska> JakeWharton: thanks
Jun 03 23:22:18 <Spanska> fixed
Jun 03 23:26:44 <j0p> i noticed that static fields (in my case static String) persist if i close and reopen the application. why? is this the right behaviour ?
Jun 03 23:27:30 <JakeWharton> because the process wasn't killed
Jun 03 23:27:39 <JakeWharton> therefore the class loader remains in memory
Jun 03 23:28:05 <j0p> its not killed even if its not listed in task manager ?
Jun 03 23:28:56 <sukramTM> pragma-: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AdapterView.html#getSelectedItemPosition() --> Returns int Position
Jun 03 23:29:32 <Younos> sukramTM: you're still doing it wrong
Jun 03 23:29:44 <heoa> Is it possible to set up Phonegap for Android on console without Eclipse? I find this Getting-Started extremely poor, I think few one-liners with cp-sed could replace that...http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.7.0/guide_getting-started_android_index.md.html#Getting%20Started%20with%20Android
Jun 03 23:30:40 <sukramTM> And what doing I wrong?
Jun 03 23:31:00 <ZettaZete> readme, I am trying to use Linear layout, but no results so far. Any hints? Haha, I'll figure it out. Thanks for your help though.
Jun 03 23:31:02 <heoa> (there must be easier ways to click-click-click-eclipse, anyone found one? I am unsure what the docs is trying to actually explain.)
Jun 03 23:31:58 <readme> ZettaZete: programmatically?
Jun 03 23:32:03 <readme> i.e. in code?
Jun 03 23:32:19 <readme> try searching "use linearlayout programmatically"
Jun 03 23:32:30 <ZettaZete> I just can't figure out how to make a frame where I can fill that frame up with a view. (So basically 2 views.) Thanks for all your help.
Jun 03 23:32:30 <Younos> sukramTM: does this compile? int x[]=1;
Jun 03 23:32:32 <pragma-> sukramTM: why do you want an array with 1 element, anyway?
Jun 03 23:32:36 <readme> use a FrameLayout!
Jun 03 23:32:39 <readme> :P
Jun 03 23:33:17 <readme> just use library projects so you can have XML resources again
Jun 03 23:33:23 <readme> it's not worth doing this in code just to use a compiled jar
Jun 03 23:33:38 <sukramTM> pragma-: the are comming more elements
Jun 03 23:33:42 <ZettaZete> I have to compile it for the Unity3d engine to be able to use it.
Jun 03 23:34:15 <pragma-> sukramTM: so, how would you create an array and assign to it, in java?
Jun 03 23:35:58 <sukramTM> int x[] = new int[1];
Jun 03 23:36:23 <pragma-> sure, but that has room for only 1 element, not "more incoming"
Jun 03 23:37:17 <sukramTM> int x[] =  {1,2,3,4,5,6,7};
Jun 03 23:37:22 <pragma-> if you don't know exactly how many elements you need, you might be interested in an ArrayList
Jun 03 23:38:15 <pragma-> sukramTM: I suggest you learn Java, and only Java, and then come back to android.
Jun 03 23:38:18 <sukramTM> I need 7 elements, every element could be from 0-7
Jun 03 23:38:49 <pragma-> You appear to be missing some basic java fundamentals, and consequently your android development experience is not going to be very satisfactory.
Jun 03 23:39:25 <sukramTM> until now it works ;-)
Jun 03 23:40:19 <pragma-> sukramTM: so, create your iss array before calling spinner1.getSelectedItemPosition()
Jun 03 23:42:36 <sukramTM> thx pragma-
Jun 03 23:42:53 <pragma-> sure
Jun 03 23:50:30 <ZettaZete> readme, how can I programmatically hide the title bar?
Jun 03 23:51:34 <pragma-> ZettaZete: requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE);
Jun 03 23:51:38 <pragma-> or you can do it in XML
Jun 03 23:53:09 <ZettaZete> pragma- thanks
Jun 04 00:16:38 <Gambit-> has anyone successfully compiled doom for android?
Jun 04 00:42:44 <readme> i used to have doom on my g1
Jun 04 00:42:48 <readme> i didn't compile it myself though
Jun 04 00:50:28 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I'm doing notifications right now. And When you click the notification it starts the new intent. Is there anyway that instead of it starting a new instance of that activity, it just opens up the activity? If that made sense
Jun 04 00:50:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I can re explain if no one got that
Jun 04 00:52:00 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Like activity1 makes a new notification to open activity1. If I click that notification while activity1 is still open, I will have two activity1's open. Rather than just going back and doing the onResume() method
Jun 04 00:55:19 <JakeWharton> it should do that already and fire onNewIntent
Jun 04 00:55:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It opens up two of the same activities, if the onFinish isn't manually called
Jun 04 01:00:33 <T-Dub|DlolPics> There, adding android:launchMode="singleTop" corrected that problem
Jun 04 01:00:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> To my manifest
Jun 04 01:02:33 <f2prateek_> Hi, i published my application a couple of hours ago and I can't seem to find it on the store. It doesnt show up on my developer page with my other apps and I cant use my pacakge name to locate it either. There seems to be no error shown on the developer console. Any ideas as to waht could be wrong?
Jun 04 01:06:08 <p_l|backup> f2prateek_: wait a day
Jun 04 01:10:47 <f2prateek_> p_l|backup: k will do. My other apps were live within minutes so I was a little worried
Jun 04 01:10:50 <Xonk> If I want to have a Settings option in the menu dialog across all the Activities in my app, what's the normal way to do this?  Put the code in a Fragment and include it on all the activities?
Jun 04 01:11:53 <Xonk> f2prateek - I just published an app about 4 days ago and it took 4-5 hours to show up at all.
Jun 04 01:12:17 <f2prateek_> Xonk: cool, thanks
Jun 04 01:12:26 <JakeWharton> Xonk: base class
Jun 04 01:12:56 <Xonk> Ok, so I create a class that inherites from activity, put the code for the menus in it and have all my activities inherite from that base class?
Jun 04 01:13:07 <Xonk> The seems easy enough.
Jun 04 01:13:35 <Xonk> Thanks Jake.
Jun 04 01:14:17 <JakeWharton> well you put code for the settings menu in it
Jun 04 01:14:43 <JakeWharton> then if you have other menu items in the activities that extend from it you just remember to call super.onCreateOptionsMenu and super.onOptionsItemSelected
Jun 04 01:15:10 <T-Dub|DlolPics> How can I get the onActivityResult from a pendingIntent?
Jun 04 01:15:16 <Xonk> will do.  thanks.
Jun 04 01:16:05 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I have http://pastebin.com/8w7PyD1s
Jun 04 01:16:12 <T-Dub|DlolPics> But the background image never changes
Jun 04 01:16:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So it tells me the onActivityResult isn't being called, or isn't going past the if statement
Jun 04 01:21:17 <Xonk> I can't help much T-Dub but why not set a break point to find out if the method is getting called or not
Jun 04 01:21:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah I can do logs to see if it's being called or not
Jun 04 01:21:59 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there a method for NotificationManager to see if a specific notification with blah id is currently active?
Jun 04 01:22:15 <Xonk> Sorry, I don't have a clue.  I'm really new to this.
Jun 04 01:22:55 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah I'm new too
Jun 04 01:22:57 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks any ways
Jun 04 01:24:11 <T-Dub|DlolPics> yeah my onActityResult isn't even being called
Jun 04 01:28:56 <Xonk> Jake - What if my classes already inherit different types of Activity?  I have Activity, FragmentActivity and TabActivity so far.
Jun 04 01:32:04 <readme> Xonk: if you need to share functionality across classes with different ancestors then you should put that functionality into a helper class and use composition (i.e. call the methods)
Jun 04 01:32:29 <readme> make methods like this: public static void foo(Activity a, Bar b, Foo f)
Jun 04 01:32:48 <jrock20041> Getting s npe when using: getString(R.string.app_name); Any ideas?
Jun 04 01:33:55 <JakeWharton> Xonk: I would use FragmentActivity for all of those
Jun 04 01:34:05 <Xonk> readme - thanks.  So just manually make calls in the onCreateOptionsMenu and onMenuItemSelected on every activity to the two helper methods to add that menu item and handle it?
Jun 04 01:34:07 <JakeWharton> TabActivity is deprecated and FragmetnActivity extends from Activity anyways
Jun 04 01:34:34 <readme> Xonk: then wrap them up
Jun 04 01:34:35 <Xonk> Jake - That works with everything except for TabActivity.  Java doesn't support multiple inheritance right?
Jun 04 01:34:36 <readme> in each activity
Jun 04 01:34:37 <readme> yeah
Jun 04 01:35:18 <Xonk> Oh.  I missed you said it's depricated.  I'll try inheriting from Fragment activity and see what that gets me.
Jun 04 01:35:33 <JakeWharton> You should try to replace your TabActivity usage with fragments
Jun 04 01:35:59 <jrock20041> I figured it out, thanks gues
Jun 04 01:36:03 <jrock20041> guys
Jun 04 01:37:02 <jrock20041> I was instantiating it before the onCreate
Jun 04 01:37:11 <Xonk> Is there a replacement class that will give me the tab functionality?
Jun 04 01:37:43 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there a way to check if the intent being passed has extras?
Jun 04 01:37:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Because if it doesn't, and you check, you get a nullPointer.
Jun 04 01:37:59 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So what do you do if sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't
Jun 04 01:38:35 <T-Dub|DlolPics> bundle.isEmpty()?
Jun 04 01:38:41 <T-Dub|DlolPics> haza that might be it.
Jun 04 01:39:33 <T-Dub|DlolPics> the hell now I got a null pointer on isEmpty
Jun 04 01:43:16 <Xonk> Your intent is null T-Dub
Jun 04 01:43:23 <T-Dub|DlolPics> How can it be null
Jun 04 01:43:32 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Intent is being passed from my last activity
Jun 04 01:43:34 <T-Dub|DlolPics> But you're right
Jun 04 01:43:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> wtf
Jun 04 01:44:41 <Xonk> I'm not familiar with PendingIntent vs a normal Intent.
Jun 04 01:45:03 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Whatevs I got it
Jun 04 01:45:10 <Xonk> k
Jun 04 01:45:16 <T-Dub|DlolPics> a pendingIntent takes a intent as one of it's permitters lol
Jun 04 01:45:20 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I just did a null check :P
Jun 04 01:46:08 <Xonk> You can also get a null when someone uses the home button other other means to exit the application and then resumes it.  That check is good to have either way.
Jun 04 01:46:27 <Xonk> The Notepad tutorial explains it better than I can.
Jun 04 01:46:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Oh I didn't know that. Null checker ftw
Jun 04 02:19:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Is there a way to "fill parent except for the last 200 pixels"
Jun 04 02:19:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> type thing
Jun 04 02:19:56 <T-Dub|DlolPics> fill all but x amount of pixels?
Jun 04 02:21:49 <JakeWharton> have something occupy those 200 pixels
Jun 04 02:21:50 <Xonk> use a linear layout and place a second element in it 200dip wide
Jun 04 02:22:05 <JakeWharton> use a margin
Jun 04 02:22:10 <JakeWharton> use a custom ViewGroup
Jun 04 02:27:42 <T-Dub|DlolPics> What is the method to make your activity go in the background
Jun 04 02:27:49 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Or I believe they call it foreground?
Jun 04 02:28:39 <T-Dub|DlolPics> oh you can probably just call the onPause -.-
Jun 04 02:29:21 <T-Dub|DlolPics> nope not working.
Jun 04 02:29:30 <JakeWharton> finish();
Jun 04 02:30:15 <T-Dub|DlolPics> that finishes it
Jun 04 02:30:21 <T-Dub|DlolPics> not making it go to pause
Jun 04 02:30:27 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I don't want to finish it
Jun 04 02:30:29 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Just pause it
Jun 04 02:30:42 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I thought there was a method for that
Jun 04 02:30:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I can't find it google is failing
Jun 04 02:31:27 <JakeWharton> what are you trying to accomplish?
Jun 04 02:31:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> moveTaskToBack (true);
Jun 04 02:31:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> that
Jun 04 02:31:57 <T-Dub|DlolPics> making the activity pause, without finishing
Jun 04 02:32:03 <T-Dub|DlolPics> (same effect when you start a new activity)
Jun 04 02:32:21 <JakeWharton> but to what purpose?
Jun 04 02:33:36 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So that the activity never finishes
Jun 04 02:33:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> But will give me the same effect as the home button pressed
Jun 04 02:33:59 <JakeWharton> you are setting yourself up for failure
Jun 04 02:34:03 <Leeds> don't do that
Jun 04 02:34:15 <Leeds> use a Service if you want long-running background stuff
Jun 04 02:34:17 <JakeWharton> use a service if you need to have a long running task
Jun 04 02:34:23 * JakeWharton high fives Leeds 
Jun 04 02:34:25 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It isn't running any task though
Jun 04 02:34:41 <JakeWharton> then why keep it around?
Jun 04 02:34:44 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It doesn't run anthing. It's just saving my variable values
Jun 04 02:34:45 <T-Dub|DlolPics> ^
Jun 04 02:34:52 <JakeWharton> save them
Jun 04 02:34:54 <Leeds> then save your state properly
Jun 04 02:35:07 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Ok well let me ask this then.
Jun 04 02:35:10 * Leeds returns JakeWharton's high hive
Jun 04 02:35:10 <JakeWharton> what happens when Android kills your process, or the user does, or they turn off their phone...
Jun 04 02:35:33 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well sense there isn't a way to check if a notification is there or not I don't see the point.
Jun 04 02:35:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> There needs to be a method to check if a notification is showing or not, because that's the whole reason why I'm doing it this way.
Jun 04 02:36:21 <T-Dub|DlolPics> If I save the variables, and finish the activity, if the user deletes the notification it voids out the saved variables.
Jun 04 02:36:26 <Tricknology> hey all!   if i start a thread in an activity will that thread be destroyed if the activity is finished, or does the activity stay alive until the thread is finished?
Jun 04 02:36:27 <JakeWharton> don't notifications have unique IDs?
Jun 04 02:36:33 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Because those variables won't be up to date any more, due to the notification bad.
Jun 04 02:36:42 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yes they do, but you can't check if one is showing or not
Jun 04 02:36:49 <T-Dub|DlolPics> You can just notification.cancel(id);
Jun 04 02:36:57 <Leeds> T-Dub|DlolPics: if your notification needs to be persistent, make it bloody persistent... if it's transient, deal with it going away
Jun 04 02:37:12 <T-Dub|DlolPics> persistent means like in the ongoing right?
Jun 04 02:37:18 <Leeds> yes
Jun 04 02:37:21 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Because I have that currently. But what if the user shuts their phone down.
Jun 04 02:37:25 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Or uses like a task killer?
Jun 04 02:37:28 <JakeWharton> Tricknology: the thread will continue but if you keep a strong reference to the Activity you will leak its context (a bad thing)
Jun 04 02:37:32 <Leeds> then all bets are off
Jun 04 02:37:35 <T-Dub|DlolPics> The saved variables will be wrong once again
Jun 04 02:37:50 <Leeds> live with it - you're in a multitasking managed environment, and you don't get to control it
Jun 04 02:37:57 <Tricknology> t-Dub
Jun 04 02:38:00 <Tricknology> i came across that earlier
Jun 04 02:38:03 <Tricknology> let me look around
Jun 04 02:38:06 <Tricknology> it has to do with services
Jun 04 02:38:14 <Xonk> Is there a way to override the listitem text color when using simple_list_item_1?
Jun 04 02:38:23 <Leeds> how are your notifications so important that you can't recreate them in a BOOT_COMPLETED listener?
Jun 04 02:38:23 <JakeWharton> set it in your theme
Jun 04 02:38:47 <Tricknology> JakeWharton, what do you mean strong reference? I'm not using "this" I'm using getApplicationContext()
Jun 04 02:38:56 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well after talking to you guys, no matter which approch I take my variables can become wrong due to shutting down
Jun 04 02:39:04 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So I think I'll just save the values like you stated.
Jun 04 02:39:16 <Leeds> T-Dub|DlolPics: what are your notifications for?
Jun 04 02:39:20 * JakeWharton taps out of this conversation
Jun 04 02:39:26 <Tricknology> hold up T-Dub|DlolPics
Jun 04 02:39:38 <T-Dub|DlolPics> The app is for a friend, he sells clothing with his logo, which is "beast mode"
Jun 04 02:39:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So he asked me to make him a app, that you click a button and your phone goes into "beastmode"
Jun 04 02:40:14 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It's 100% pointless, but the point is a notification shows up
Jun 04 02:40:18 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Saying beastmode basically
Jun 04 02:40:28 <T-Dub|DlolPics> So the whole point is to show a notification
Jun 04 02:40:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> that is the sole purpose of this app.
Jun 04 02:40:46 <Tricknology> hey
Jun 04 02:40:49 <Tricknology> read this
Jun 04 02:40:50 <Tricknology> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/services.html
Jun 04 02:41:00 <Tricknology> pretty much everythingg you need to know is there
Jun 04 02:41:11 <Tricknology> they touch on restarts to the system
Jun 04 02:41:23 <Tricknology> but why not use sharedprefs?
Jun 04 02:41:50 <Tricknology> or u want ur app to restart if its killed?
Jun 04 02:42:08 <T-Dub|DlolPics> No I can use preferences, just never thought of it.
Jun 04 02:42:22 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It isn't a memory hog or anything. My main concern would be timeout
Jun 04 02:42:35 <T-Dub|DlolPics> it just shows a button, that's basically the whole activity
Jun 04 02:42:38 <Tricknology> repost: JakeWharton, what do you mean strong reference? I'm not using "this" I'm using getApplicationContext()
Jun 04 02:43:11 <Tricknology> what exactly does your app go? why do you need a notification?
Jun 04 02:43:14 <Tricknology> do
Jun 04 02:43:23 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I just explained it a second go
Jun 04 02:43:26 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I'm going to bed tough
Jun 04 02:43:27 <T-Dub|DlolPics> though
Jun 04 02:43:38 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Thanks for suggesting preferences, that is what I'll use.
Jun 04 02:43:39 <Tricknology> i came late
Jun 04 02:43:43 <readme> Tricknology: did you read the notification dev guide?
Jun 04 02:43:53 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I explained it after you came in.
Jun 04 02:43:57 <Tricknology>  most of it
Jun 04 02:43:57 <readme> Tricknology: did you read the documentation for the method getApplicationContext()?
Jun 04 02:43:58 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Like 10 lines above..
Jun 04 02:44:23 <readme> Tricknology: what does getApplicationContext() do?
Jun 04 02:44:38 <Tricknology> gets the context of the application, not the activity
Jun 04 02:44:42 <Tricknology> amirite?
Jun 04 02:44:49 <readme> so when you you use it?
Jun 04 02:45:16 <Tricknology> when i have something that relies on the context of something that could terminate before the it's done executing?
Jun 04 02:45:32 <readme> So can you answer your own question?
Jun 04 02:45:53 * readme realizes, he never actually heard the question itself
Jun 04 02:45:54 <Tricknology> yes^2?
Jun 04 02:45:56 <readme> I just inferred it
Jun 04 02:46:17 <Tricknology> haha
Jun 04 02:46:46 <Tricknology> JakeWharton: Tricknology: the thread will continue but if you keep a strong reference to the Activity you will leak its context (a bad thing)
Jun 04 02:46:59 <Tricknology> so i asked what a strong reference was
Jun 04 02:47:02 <Tricknology> vs weak
Jun 04 02:47:14 <Tricknology> wasiright?
Jun 04 02:47:17 <readme> that's googleable
Jun 04 02:47:30 <readme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_reference
Jun 04 02:47:31 <Tricknology> but google does;t talk back
Jun 04 02:47:52 <readme> instead of asking about the whole topic, ask a specific question about it
Jun 04 02:48:16 <Tricknology> i don't know how to ask these questions, i guess
Jun 04 02:48:38 <readme> did you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_reference#Java
Jun 04 02:48:41 <Tricknology> I'm just coming across these problems, trying to sort them out and learn at the same time
Jun 04 02:48:46 <Tricknology> yes
Jun 04 02:49:07 <Tricknology> weak references suffers the garbage collector
Jun 04 02:49:46 <QubeZ> s/suffers/susceptible
Jun 04 02:49:48 <Tricknology> can get nasty if the context of the object who's context has been referred to is GC'd by the time of execution
Jun 04 02:49:50 <Tricknology> amirite?
Jun 04 02:51:48 <Tricknology> can get nasty if the activity who's context has been referred to is GC'd by the time of execution***
Jun 04 02:52:00 <QubeZ> for the last few minute, I thought you were talking to someone who's nickname was "amirite"
Jun 04 02:54:48 <Tricknology> hahah
Jun 04 02:56:11 <Tricknology> so my question is this: if I use getApplicationContext will the thread persist even after the activity from which  it's called is terminated?
Jun 04 02:59:10 <readme> what does get application context have to do with thread
Jun 04 02:59:22 <readme> getApplicationContext() *
Jun 04 02:59:56 <readme> wait.. you want to start a Thread from an Activity and have it survive the activity being destroyed!?
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