**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 11 02:59:59 2012
Jun 11 03:40:58 <olimol> Hey T-Dub|DlolPics You back bro? :)
Jun 11 03:41:05 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Yeah
Jun 11 03:41:06 <T-Dub|DlolPics> What's up
Jun 11 03:41:21 <olimol> Alright, heres the thing. You know how you told me to call from R. whatever
Jun 11 03:41:31 <olimol> The thing is, i create the text in the activity method
Jun 11 03:41:39 <olimol> So it cannot find it.
Jun 11 03:41:51 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Oh
Jun 11 03:41:53 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Well set a id
Jun 11 03:42:00 <Leeds> or keep a reference
Jun 11 03:42:08 <T-Dub|DlolPics> textView.setId("blah");
Jun 11 03:42:08 <birbeck> will onCancel() not be called on a DialogFragment() when you press back?
Jun 11 03:42:15 <olimol> Alright
Jun 11 03:42:18 <T-Dub|DlolPics> and then instead of doing R.id.blah just do "blah"
Jun 11 03:42:34 <T-Dub|DlolPics> except it it has to be a int
Jun 11 03:42:36 <T-Dub|DlolPics> not a string
Jun 11 03:42:36 <olimol> ty. Sorry im just so new to android haha
Jun 11 03:42:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> so my bad
Jun 11 03:42:38 <birbeck> ive been trying to get my progress dialog's  onCancelListener to be called for 3 hours
Jun 11 03:42:39 <olimol> ill learn, eventually.
Jun 11 03:42:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> It's cool
Jun 11 03:43:48 <birbeck> http://pastebin.com/5N3jwbB2
Jun 11 03:43:59 <olimol> And one more question, what did you mean by 'context/
Jun 11 03:50:20 <drlaban> olimol: This might be technical and short but probably better than nothing: http://www.stackoverflow.com/questions/3572463
Jun 11 03:50:39 <olimol> ty :)
Jun 11 03:52:01 <drlaban> olimol: When you're dealing with activities, they keyword 'this' contains a context of the current activity that you can pass around.
Jun 11 03:52:15 <kmicinski> Is anyone aware of any keylogger apps which don't require root?  My intuition is that they should not exist, but I have heard people mention them, and I'm guesing that the behavior they exploit is probably from some stupid OEM not giving proper file permissions or something...
Jun 11 03:52:25 <olimol> Ah ok.
Jun 11 03:53:40 <ZNaught> hello
Jun 11 03:53:58 <ZNaught> is it possible to remove an icon size limit from a launcher?
Jun 11 03:54:12 <ZNaught> or to run a tablet launcher on a phone?
Jun 11 03:54:21 <Leeds> ZNaught: really, I didn't mean to invite you in here
Jun 11 03:54:35 <ZNaught> oh :(
Jun 11 04:01:08 <olimol> Ugh, this is frustrating haha.
Jun 11 04:01:38 <[flux]> I love android
Jun 11 04:01:47 <[flux]> Really
Jun 11 04:01:55 <therealcmac> me too
Jun 11 04:02:01 <JonSeals> I love ice cream sandwiches
Jun 11 04:02:09 <JonSeals> They taste so good
Jun 11 04:02:11 <therealcmac> yemm
Jun 11 04:02:16 <olimol> Im gonna have to get used to this lol
Jun 11 04:02:19 <therealcmac> yumm i mean
Jun 11 04:02:37 <[flux]> olimol: No why?
Jun 11 04:02:44 <JonSeals> I tried to eat my phone with an ics, tasted like… plastic
Jun 11 04:02:50 <olimol> What do you mean, no why
Jun 11 04:02:51 <olimol> lol
Jun 11 04:02:52 <[flux]> ^^^^^
Jun 11 04:02:59 <[flux]> Plastic is awesome.
Jun 11 04:03:00 <drlaban> olimol: If you're going to stick with Android-development, definitely
Jun 11 04:03:05 <[flux]> It breaks so easily
Jun 11 04:03:05 <olimol> Yeah :)
Jun 11 04:03:07 <olimol> I will though.
Jun 11 04:03:14 <olimol> Its fun, but.. frustrating at the same time
Jun 11 04:03:14 <[flux]> And fun to bend.
Jun 11 04:03:14 <olimol> lol
Jun 11 04:03:23 <therealcmac> I like the little robot guy
Jun 11 04:03:29 <[flux]> olimol: Or
Jun 11 04:03:31 <[flux]> Or
Jun 11 04:03:46 <[flux]> You can switch to iOS development
Jun 11 04:04:11 <Leeds> [flux]: not helpful
Jun 11 04:04:26 <olimol> Nah, ill need a mac for that
Jun 11 04:04:26 <olimol> lol
Jun 11 04:04:37 <drlaban> olimol: I don't know how far you've got in Android development, but stick to basics at first, come up with a few, small and simple ideas to test and use StackOverflow as if it was Google
Jun 11 04:05:01 <olimol> I started today, but i understand the basics. Just the gui parts bother me.
Jun 11 04:05:20 <drlaban> olimol: Those are probably bother you more than other things, period. :p
Jun 11 04:05:31 <drlaban> going to bother you...
Jun 11 04:05:35 <[flux]> Can I use visual basic to develop in android?
Jun 11 04:06:08 <drlaban> Wasn't there a C# translated kinda thing for Android development...?
Jun 11 04:06:36 <[flux]> Hey, I asked the question :D
Jun 11 04:06:49 <Leeds> drlaban: yeah, monodroid
Jun 11 04:07:16 <drlaban> Leeds: Ah, yes. Thank you.
Jun 11 04:15:41 <yareally> http://www.basic4ppc.com/index.html :/ the guy asking about it left after i link this, but i dont know why one would use it
Jun 11 04:23:51 <olimol> mmm, Now my text isnt appearing on the screen
Jun 11 04:24:19 <olimol> http://pastebin.com/kPa3J0rb
Jun 11 04:24:23 <olimol> It should say "5"
Jun 11 04:27:59 <Leeds> olimol: unless I'm missing something *really* obvious... you are :)
Jun 11 04:28:22 <Leeds> you make a glsurfaceview and set it as the contentview...
Jun 11 04:28:29 <Leeds> you make a linearlayout and set its options...
Jun 11 04:28:30 <olimol> Oh, so i cannot add to that?
Jun 11 04:28:43 <Leeds> you make a textview and add it to your linearlayout... and set the content of the textview
Jun 11 04:28:52 <Leeds> but you never actually *display* the linearlayout anywhere
Jun 11 04:30:11 <olimol> ty
Jun 11 04:30:13 <olimol> :)
Jun 11 05:07:36 <olie> anyone from australia here?
Jun 11 05:09:16 <cagedwisdom> olie, yar
Jun 11 05:29:25 <olimol> Has anyone used findViewById(); before?
Jun 11 05:29:31 <olimol> I cant seem to access it from my other class :/
Jun 11 05:34:24 <f2prateek_> everybody uses findViewById()
Jun 11 05:34:48 <f2prateek_> what do you mean you cant access it from your other class?
Jun 11 05:34:59 <olimol> Like, i write activity.findViewById(15)
Jun 11 05:35:30 <olimol> and it says
Jun 11 05:35:38 <olimol> Cannot make a static reference to the non-static method findViewById(int) from the type Activity
Jun 11 05:36:04 <f2prateek_> 2 problems, its not activity.findViewByID(), its(View).findViewById()
Jun 11 05:36:33 <f2prateek_> and the paramter should generally be R.id.(you components id)
Jun 11 05:36:46 <olimol> Ah Alright.
Jun 11 05:36:51 <olimol> What if its not in the main.xml?
Jun 11 05:36:57 <olimol> What if its declared in the main file
Jun 11 05:36:58 <olimol> activity
Jun 11 05:37:17 <f2prateek_> you mean you add the view programatically?
Jun 11 05:37:34 <olimol> Because i added text.
Jun 11 05:37:54 <olimol> and label.setId(15);
Jun 11 05:37:56 <f2prateek_> when you add the view there should be amethod (View).setId(id)
Jun 11 05:38:11 <Leeds> why aren't you using an XML layout, anyway - it's much simpler
Jun 11 05:38:35 <olimol> Because when i made labels they wouldnt come up
Jun 11 05:38:39 <olimol> =x
Jun 11 05:38:44 <olimol> Im so new to this.. sorry
Jun 11 05:38:57 <f2prateek_> the int isnt for integers in this case, it should be a hex i think, but im not sure coz i havent used it for this, generally the int corresponds to a R.java integer
Jun 11 05:38:59 <Leeds> would make it more obvious when you do silly thinks like declare a view but never add it to your layout...
Jun 11 05:40:52 <f2prateek_> look at this to add the id progamatically http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3216294/android-programatically-add-id-to-r-id
Jun 11 05:42:42 <josheee12> hey, guys.  i need to have a set of object available to my application at any point of execution.  essentially, i need a service that stays up while my application's running, but doesn't need to persist while suspended or the like.  suggestions?
Jun 11 05:43:53 <f2prateek_> josheee12: what exactly does the service do?
Jun 11 05:44:10 <josheee12> just provide object instances
Jun 11 05:45:04 <f2prateek_> i dont really get what you mean by that
Jun 11 05:46:03 <josheee12> like, i have a data manager whose instance i need available regardless of the current activity (my app has 3 or 4).
Jun 11 05:49:46 <f2prateek_> i can only think of sharedPreferences
Jun 11 05:52:56 <josheee12> alright, thanks.  i'll try it.
Jun 11 05:55:04 <napster> I'm adding a textview to a layout programmatically. Is it possible to set style attribute to the textview through code? Or how do you people handle such a situation?
Jun 11 05:56:23 <drlaban> napsteR: The omnipotent StackOverflow suggests using themes. I've never dont it myself, though.
Jun 11 05:56:44 <drlaban> s/dont/done/
Jun 11 05:57:09 <napster> drlaban: Yeah I have gone through the same question
Jun 11 05:57:12 <f2prateek_> napster: setTypeface()
Jun 11 05:57:25 <napster> I would like to know if attributeSet can be used
Jun 11 05:57:38 <napster> f2prateek_: let me try that :)
Jun 11 05:59:50 <f2prateek_> also the construcotr for textview has a third attribute defStyle, nothing in the docs about that it is but i would assume its for a resource style
Jun 11 06:00:08 <f2prateek_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#TextView(android.content.Context, android.util.AttributeSet, int)
Jun 11 06:00:13 <napster> f2prateek_: ok
Jun 11 06:06:05 <napster> f2prateek_: Thanks mate. It just does work :)
Jun 11 06:06:49 <f2prateek_> cool which one? the constructor or typeface?
Jun 11 06:07:28 <napster> f2prateek_: typeface
Jun 11 06:07:39 <f2prateek_> nice, good to know
Jun 11 06:09:35 <olimol> f2prateek, thanks for the xml thing earlier
Jun 11 06:09:38 <olimol> Worked that out.
Jun 11 06:09:53 <olimol> Btw, i try to replace the labels text but it doesnt work.
Jun 11 06:09:58 <olimol> 		views.setTextViewText(R.id.label, "test");
Jun 11 06:10:33 <drlaban> olimol: Could you pastebin your code again?
Jun 11 06:11:00 <olimol> Sure thing
Jun 11 06:11:00 <olimol> :)
Jun 11 06:11:10 <f2prateek_>  just to 9TextView)View myText = (TextView) findVIewById(R.id.label)
Jun 11 06:11:24 <olimol> Activity File : http://pastebin.com/tZ4rLRe0
Jun 11 06:11:25 <f2prateek_> myText.setText("test")
Jun 11 06:11:38 <olimol> Game Layer: http://pastebin.com/ah90H5hg
Jun 11 06:11:43 <olimol> Lemme try that
Jun 11 06:12:49 <f2prateek_> sorry for your code it should be
Jun 11 06:12:51 <f2prateek_> TextView myText = (TextView) findVIewById(R.id.label)
Jun 11 06:12:57 <f2prateek_> oh crap not that
Jun 11 06:13:00 <drlaban> Yeah, looks like you're not fetching the view to set the text to.
Jun 11 06:13:07 <f2prateek_> TextView myText = (TextView) views.findViewById(R.id.label)
Jun 11 06:13:08 <olimol> Oh..
Jun 11 06:13:13 <f2prateek_> myText.setText("test")
Jun 11 06:13:24 <f2prateek_> yeah those two lines should work
Jun 11 06:13:36 <olimol> Alright, lemme try :) Thanks for your help
Jun 11 06:13:46 <f2prateek_> you're welcome :)
Jun 11 06:14:34 <olimol> The method findViewById(int) is undefined for the type RemoteViews
Jun 11 06:14:38 <olimol> When i pasted that line in.
Jun 11 06:14:40 <olimol> O_O
Jun 11 06:15:43 <f2prateek_> hmm...
Jun 11 06:16:42 <f2prateek_> sorry i didnt see it was remote view
Jun 11 06:16:51 <f2prateek_> your original code should have worked for that though
Jun 11 06:17:22 <drlaban> olimol: I was just now looking at a service i built using remoteviews, and i see that the original code snippet you pasted here should've worked.
Jun 11 06:17:36 <drlaban> Yeah, what f2prateek_ said. :)
Jun 11 06:17:54 <olimol> lol what did my original say?
Jun 11 06:18:06 <drlaban> olimol: views.setTextViewText(R.id.label, "test");
Jun 11 06:18:07 <olimol> Im sorta trying different things because something didnt work earlier.
Jun 11 06:18:25 <olimol> wierd.
Jun 11 06:18:31 <olimol> lemme try it again..
Jun 11 06:19:04 <olimol> Yeah.. the label doesnt change.
Jun 11 06:19:11 <olimol> Am i using the function incorrectly?
Jun 11 06:19:51 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Hi,
Jun 11 06:20:07 <f2prateek_> i think so, i havent worked with remote views ever though so i'm just relying on the documentation
Jun 11 06:20:14 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> how to show all processes and threads?
Jun 11 06:20:22 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> ps just shows processes
Jun 11 06:20:27 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> adb shell ps
Jun 11 06:20:45 <drlaban> Hm, I do see a difference between my Service class and your GameLayer, and that is the fact that I return a RemoteViews object when I'm done processing the TextViews.
Jun 11 06:21:23 <f2prateek_> jimmy_lo_chien_f: if its for debugging theres a built in debugger in eclipse
Jun 11 06:21:44 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> f2prateek_, you mean ddms?
Jun 11 06:22:30 <f2prateek_> jimmy_lo_chien_f: no they are both two different perspectives
Jun 11 06:22:33 <f2prateek_> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/debugging/debugging-projects.html
Jun 11 06:23:00 <f2prateek_> the debug perspective shows threads
Jun 11 06:23:45 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> f2prateek_, OK, I'll try.
Jun 11 06:23:50 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> f2prateek_, thank you.
Jun 11 06:24:06 <f2prateek_> jimmy_lo_chien_f: no problem
Jun 11 06:25:43 <f2prateek_>  olimol: i'm looking at a remoteviews example and yeah you have to return it somehow (like drlaban said)
Jun 11 06:25:48 <f2prateek_> http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/appwidget/ExampleAppWidgetProvider.html
Jun 11 06:26:06 <f2prateek_> in the example its passed aparameter in the last line
Jun 11 06:26:21 <f2prateek_> *as a parameter
Jun 11 06:27:13 <olimol> hmm
Jun 11 06:28:42 <f2prateek_> maybe have a handler in the main actiivty of the view to update the view
Jun 11 06:28:55 <olimol> Alright..
Jun 11 06:29:32 <olimol> Never used a handler before haha
Jun 11 06:30:28 <f2prateek_> its not that hard if you have somebodys working source for it
Jun 11 06:30:44 <f2prateek_> vogella probably has a explainer for it
Jun 11 06:30:55 <olimol> kk
Jun 11 06:31:04 <olimol> found it
Jun 11 06:31:04 <olimol> :)
Jun 11 06:51:24 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Hi,
Jun 11 06:52:51 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I see a call stack of a thread with only dalvik.system.NativeStart
Jun 11 06:53:32 <eSatsu> howw trivial is it to add a button that prints out the current location, or copies it into a field so that it can be posted to facebook
Jun 11 06:53:38 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> and I go to check the NativeStart.java
Jun 11 06:54:30 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> It says that NativeStart.java is a dummy class used for JNI
Jun 11 06:55:21 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Any one knows something about this?
Jun 11 06:56:33 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> It is mysterious.
Jun 11 06:57:08 <p_l> jimmy_lo_chien_f: it's for NativeActivity applications, iirc
Jun 11 06:58:35 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> p_l, iirc?, what is this.
Jun 11 06:58:53 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I am studying android browser activity
Jun 11 06:59:09 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> and android/webkit
Jun 11 07:08:30 <Snuffel> hehe
Jun 11 07:08:32 <Snuffel> a pea
Jun 11 07:13:53 <p_l> jimmy_lo_chien_f: IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
Jun 11 07:14:16 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> p_l, oh.
Jun 11 07:14:25 * p_l fondly remembers "introductory" books about internet that would explain netiquette and lingo
Jun 11 07:14:29 <g00s> p_l: you aren't |backup :O
Jun 11 07:14:37 <p_l> s/remembers/recalls/
Jun 11 07:14:44 <p_l> g00s: backup kicked the bucket
Jun 11 07:14:45 <p_l> seriously
Jun 11 07:15:46 <p_l> fortunately by then, the current host finished migration from FreeBSD to Linux
Jun 11 07:16:00 <g00s> :)
Jun 11 07:16:04 <p_l> ... except it runs filesystem drivers I didn't dare to use, and that's saying something
Jun 11 07:16:13 <Leeds> reiserfs?
Jun 11 07:16:43 <g00s> i used to use that :P
Jun 11 07:17:33 <p_l> Leeds: ZFS on Linux
Jun 11 07:17:41 <p_l> and I'm talking kernel mode ZFS
Jun 11 07:18:05 <Leeds> ugh
Jun 11 07:18:14 <p_l> last time I looked at their bugzilla, they had long list of "critical" bugs..
Jun 11 07:18:23 <Leeds> in the meantime... http://www.hko.gov.hk/wxinfo/radars/radar_range1.htm?pv_mode=playback
Jun 11 07:18:33 <p_l> OTOH, well, LANL did use it..
Jun 11 07:18:36 <Leeds> I'm just to the south of the center of that picture... lots of adviews for me today! :)
Jun 11 07:20:30 <JakeWharton> how's ZoL treating you?
Jun 11 07:20:36 <JakeWharton> i still run Solaris on my main file server for ZFS
Jun 11 07:20:43 <JakeWharton> the linux stuff wasn't stable enough at the time
Jun 11 07:21:50 <p_l> JakeWharton: well... I don't know if the owner of the server did the same RAID-Z tests as when it was set up on FreeBSD
Jun 11 07:22:13 <p_l> (aka "disconnect SATA cable during operation")
Jun 11 07:22:33 <JakeWharton> yeah i have hot-swap bays, that's the first thing i tried when I first got it haha
Jun 11 07:24:02 <JakeWharton> i still get the daily digest of the main zfsonlinux mailing list
Jun 11 07:24:23 <JakeWharton> not too much horrific going on any more, i imagine it's pretty stable
Jun 11 07:25:21 <JakeWharton> off to read
Jun 11 07:26:47 <g00s> JakeWharton: reading anything good ?
Jun 11 07:28:41 <p_l> JakeWharton: I'm wondering if it's not more of a "little changed recently and userbase is so small no one hit a catastrophic bug yet"
Jun 11 07:31:12 <g00s> p_l: i think his hard drive just crashed
Jun 11 07:35:18 <g00s> ah, i forgot tomorrow is wwdc
Jun 11 07:35:28 <Snuffel> what's today then
Jun 11 07:35:34 <g00s> oh yeah :)
Jun 11 07:36:02 <g00s> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/10/3077212/andy-rubin-google-cloudcar-900000-android-activations
Jun 11 07:39:27 <g00s> it was mentioned a while back, rubin's success criteria for android was activations per day.
Jun 11 07:39:56 <Gx4> activations per day = subjects to mine data from
Jun 11 07:43:01 <g00s> "iOS 6, expected to be announced during tomorrow's WWDC keynote, will not support the original iPad or third-generation iPod touch. " … i'm surprised they are already dropping the first gen ipad
Jun 11 07:43:08 <g00s> (rumor)
Jun 11 07:44:15 <p_l> g00s: ah, so tomorrow I should expect zombie mac people? ;)
Jun 11 07:44:29 <g00s> the interwebs will be crazy
Jun 11 07:44:57 <g00s> i usually sit it out for a few days and wait for some good website like theverge to summarize :)
Jun 11 07:45:09 <Gx4> i usually ignore it
Jun 11 07:45:12 <p_l> yeah. "Hey, lis'n! We added a new framework to our OSX Embedded! Now act like you snorted coke!"
Jun 11 07:45:17 <Blou_Aap> when using new Intent("com.android.camera.action.CROP") ,  is it possible to stop the resizing and only have the crop box being dragged ?
Jun 11 07:46:46 <Gx4> Blou_Aap copy from stackoverflow "action is not part of the Android SDK. There is no guarantee that it will work on any device."
Jun 11 07:47:05 <Blou_Aap> so the box is the size that i want. Im setting the ratio correctly and that  works and prevents the handles dragging an arb ratio.
Jun 11 07:47:30 <Blou_Aap> ye but its gnu be on a android device that guarantees to have that. its not going on any other device
Jun 11 07:47:40 <Blou_Aap> going to*
Jun 11 07:48:42 <Gx4> 1. load image via BitmapFactory.
Jun 11 07:49:10 <Gx4> 2. create cropped bitmap Bitmap.createBitmap(specify your witdth etc etc)
Jun 11 07:49:20 <Gx4> 3. write with Bitmap.compress
Jun 11 07:49:33 <Blou_Aap> no they want control. its for a profile picture so they can drag a crop box over a face
Jun 11 07:51:06 <Blou_Aap> using bitmapfactory is easy. but the client and my manager (who pretends to know everything about android, but can't don't even have a clue) wants me to have a box dragged on the image to set a crop size to our set constraints
Jun 11 07:53:54 <ech0s7> good morning
Jun 11 07:55:05 <tors> moorning ech0s7
Jun 11 07:55:19 <Gx4> good morning ech0s7
Jun 11 07:55:57 <ech0s7> i have seen that it's possible to start Service with startForeground in order to lengthen its life, it's possible to do the same with "remote Service" ?
Jun 11 07:56:23 <ech0s7> bindable service
Jun 11 07:58:28 <Onions> What's the easiest way to make a game loop? I already have a page that draws some of the background and makes the character, so I don't want to rewrite all that.
Jun 11 08:00:49 <tors> Onions: a page?     while(true) { updatePhysics(); drawGraphics(); sleepToMatchFPS(); if(gameOver) { break; } }
Jun 11 08:01:15 <Onions> class*
Jun 11 08:01:22 <Onions> hmm
Jun 11 08:01:38 <Onions> How do I do sleepToMatchFPS() ?
Jun 11 08:01:42 <tors> ah, missed a "readUserInput();" there...
Jun 11 08:02:49 <b00^wk> hello, anyone using a Sony Xperia here? in particular Sola
Jun 11 08:02:52 <tors> Onions: if you want each frame to take a second, you perform all steps before sleepToMatchFPS and then see how long time it took. Then you do Thread.sleep(60000 - timeItTook);
Jun 11 08:03:01 <Onions> ahh
Jun 11 08:03:09 <tors> oh, sorry 1000 - timeItTook maybe :)
Jun 11 08:03:12 <Onions> Do I need to extend / implement something special for that?
Jun 11 08:03:48 <Ikarus> right, I managed to piss off Android
Jun 11 08:04:01 <Onions> not hard, Ikarus
Jun 11 08:04:02 <Onions> lol
Jun 11 08:04:07 <Ikarus> immutable object style code does not agree with the way Garbage Collection is done on Android
Jun 11 08:04:35 <tors> Onions: nope. I would recommend to look at some sample code. There is a game called LunarLander on developer.android.com which does all this I think.
Jun 11 08:04:44 <Onions> k will do
Jun 11 08:04:44 <Ikarus> esp not if you do it for 7 000 000 objects per second
Jun 11 08:04:51 <niles11_> I have a question: I have a seekbar. At the start of the activity the slider must be in the middle of the seekbar. When it is used, however, the progress must be given a color. I can't get this to work. With a statelist there isn't an option like "is_used" or something like that. I tried working around the problem by changing the drawable at the first moment of touch but unfortunatly that resizes the whole slider which looks ver
Jun 11 08:08:08 <tors> Onions: here is a great vid to check out (it's one hour, so check it when you have time :) -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Bk5rmIpic  -  Google I/O 2009 - Writing Real-Time Games for Android
Jun 11 08:08:42 <Onions> tyvm tors
Jun 11 08:14:24 <napster> Can someone shed some light to this exception : gist.github.com/2909001
Jun 11 08:14:36 <napster> https://gist.github.com/2909001
Jun 11 08:23:41 <g00s> hmm, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4092532
Jun 11 08:52:49 <uaehamed> Im soo confused
Jun 11 08:53:26 <napster> uaehamed: get out of confusion :)
Jun 11 08:53:44 <uaehamed> lol ive been trying for few days
Jun 11 08:56:19 <uaehamed> I have an online mysql database. I understand that to connect to it from an android app, I need to use a REST web service. From what I understood until now is that I have to use a REST webservice + JSON and Jquery to handle everything. But the thing that I dont understand is do I need any coding to be done on my mysql web host domain? this REST web service needs to be coded within my android app?
Jun 11 08:57:29 <napster> uaehamed: You sounds weird. I would be using "Parse" if I were you for such tasks :)
Jun 11 08:58:09 <DarsVaeda> hi, recommendations for chart engines? I saw chartdroid and achartengine
Jun 11 09:24:12 <Jabo> anybody got example code that can fetch phone numbers and names from phone contacts?
Jun 11 09:24:19 <Jabo> i've only managed to get names working so far
Jun 11 09:28:16 <niles11_> uaehamed: You only need a webservice of you want to store/retrieve information to/from elsewhere (not on the phone). The REST webservice can be in many languages but probably the easiest way is to do it in PHP. You create all access with you external database within your PHP script and output the data as JSON or XML. Then in the Android app you use that information to do whatever you want with it. You only need a HTTP request fr
Jun 11 09:42:36 <lapdis> so I just found out that my app gets in a deadlock sometimes when my database-transactions gets nested. Does anyone have any idea on exactly how this deadlock occurs?
Jun 11 09:47:37 <xa0c> Well... Not sure how to describe it, but... I have a StackOverflow exception, and cant get it: is there a limit for nested linear layouts or so?
Jun 11 09:48:07 <xa0c> (I have a lot of them)
Jun 11 09:48:20 <g00s> xa0c: i don't think stackoverflow would come from that. you may have too deep call stack
Jun 11 09:48:31 <Leeds> if you have a lot of nested linearlayouts, you're probably doing something wrong
Jun 11 09:48:49 <Leeds> and quite possibly would be better off with a relativelayout or two
Jun 11 09:49:00 <xa0c> Not my case :)
Jun 11 09:49:59 <Leeds> your case is special?
Jun 11 09:50:07 <xa0c> g00s: I think, the reason is in layouts nesting. callstack shows me a lot of onDrawXXX() method calls
Jun 11 09:50:14 <xa0c> yep. :)
Jun 11 09:50:25 <xa0c> as always
Jun 11 09:50:38 <Leeds> doubt it
Jun 11 09:50:46 <[deXter]> So what do you peeps think about the sidepanel design navigation (as in the FB app)?
Jun 11 09:51:22 <g00s> xa0c: ah, interesting. well, try GridLayout :)
Jun 11 09:51:39 <xa0c> Leeds: imagine quote. well, quote like all of you do at forums. imagine quote of quote. and quote of quote of quote. I want to draw it.
Jun 11 09:51:49 <g00s> [deXter]: i'm reading about it here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4092532
Jun 11 09:52:39 <xa0c> So, my algorithm perfectly works for two levels of nesting, on third is chashes with 'overflow'
Jun 11 09:53:00 <g00s> xa0c: well, what if you have 10 levels ?
Jun 11 09:53:04 <g00s> or 15 ?
Jun 11 09:53:09 <xa0c> see above :)
Jun 11 09:53:22 <xa0c> I cant do it for 3 already :)
Jun 11 09:54:14 <g00s> [deXter]: interesting that Zigurd didn't like it
Jun 11 09:54:16 <xa0c> if there is a limit for nested layouts, than I need to limit quoting-requoting. But I dont want to limit users.
Jun 11 09:54:29 <[deXter]> g00s, I don't either. :P
Jun 11 09:54:43 <g00s> i'm not sure i do either
Jun 11 09:54:58 <[deXter]> At least, not in it's present form..
Jun 11 09:55:29 <g00s> but , problem is = seems like the apps with the nifties UI (foursquare, fb?) require accounts somewhere - which i am not interesting in doing just to see their app
Jun 11 09:56:09 <eSatsu> hm is it easy/possible to load up facebook comment box into an  application
Jun 11 09:58:43 <g00s> [deXter]: seems lame
Jun 11 09:58:58 <[deXter]> My thoughts exactly..
Jun 11 09:59:26 <g00s> at least , there would have to be some standard impl of this - not every app doing something (slightly) different
Jun 11 10:02:21 <xa0c> well... according to callstack there a next sequence of calls: parend.draw > child.draw > childOfChild.draw ...and so on until stackOverflow. Looks like there is a limit. Wasted another few hours on unusefull recursion draw. So sad.
Jun 11 10:03:37 <g00s> xa0c: not having deeply nested layouts has been advice given for a long time :)
Jun 11 10:05:08 <xa0c> well. I know it. But what is an option for displaying "quoteOfQuote"?
Jun 11 10:05:48 <Leeds> I wouldn't be displaying quotes as layout at all, just as content
Jun 11 10:07:14 <xa0c> They are complicated: images, buttons, etc. I have a control that renders the message, so, in case of quote I tried to use such control as 'inner'.
Jun 11 10:11:52 <Leeds> I suspect you're going about things the wrong way
Jun 11 10:13:36 <xa0c> why? I asked abouw: what options I have? one layout and all views of inner quotes placed on this root layout? unreal to place them. a tonn of code.
Jun 11 10:13:52 <xa0c> Android's default stack size is 8KB.  This gets you 60-100 stack
Jun 11 10:13:52 <xa0c> frames
Jun 11 10:13:56 <xa0c> found it
Jun 11 10:14:11 <Leeds> seriously, I think you're confusing UI with content
Jun 11 10:14:23 <Leeds> put it in a webview if it's too complex to do in code
Jun 11 10:15:11 <xa0c> well. this 'content' is a part of UI. as I said: images, buttons, they are clickable
Jun 11 10:16:09 <Leeds> webview can have clickable stuff...
Jun 11 10:16:58 <xa0c> webview... I prefer to limit nesting instead of using it :)
Jun 11 10:17:12 <xa0c> well, thanks anyway, will think how to fix it.
Jun 11 10:17:15 <Leeds> your choice
Jun 11 10:17:23 <Leeds> do it your way, or do it the right way :)
Jun 11 10:17:51 <xa0c> my way is the right way. always. :)
Jun 11 10:19:30 <storkme> possible to pull a development apk from a phone?
Jun 11 10:19:56 <storkme> i.e. i'vei nstalled an app on a phone, promptly lost the .apk i installed it from, would like to re-install it on a diffeerent phone
Jun 11 10:21:40 <g00s> [deXter]: i noticed the amazon website has something kinda liked that too :P
Jun 11 10:23:40 <niles11_> My button's state isn't remembered. When the fragment starts, the 'next'-button is disabled. When the user has used some seekbars, the button gets enabled. I then use that button to proceed to the next fragment. However, when I get back from the second fragment to the first (with the hardware back button) the state of the button is set to disabled again. I thought Android automatically saved view's states. Why doesn't it work on
Jun 11 10:24:10 <niles11_> Android does remember the state (position) of the seekbar's sliders. Only not the state of the button. Strange?
Jun 11 10:36:48 <gaz`> is there a short cut in eclipse to comment out everything you have selected?
Jun 11 10:37:36 <napster> gaz`: ctrl + /
Jun 11 10:37:43 <gaz`> thx
Jun 11 10:37:51 <gaz`> nice!
Jun 11 10:37:51 <lapdis> In the documentation of SQLiteDatabase it says that transactions can be nested, but transactions in sqlite does not support transactions and I myself have experienced problems with using nested transactions. Does SQLiteDatabase really use savepoints instead of transactions, or what is the deal? romainguy ?
Jun 11 10:46:12 <funktronic> is it bad practice to include the generated build.xml files into source control?
Jun 11 10:51:00 <Pinas> hello, anyone here knows how non-root Backup Apps manage to backup apks of installed apps ????
Jun 11 10:56:39 <gaz`> i have a listview and i want user to be able to click on a row OR a button  in the row, seems if i try this onitemclicked stops working on the list view, isthere a decent way to get around this? i was thinking i could detect if they touched near left side for one thing and right side for another mnaybe or is that too weird?
Jun 11 11:04:15 <napster> funktronic: I just include src/ res/ and the manifest :)
Jun 11 11:05:04 <napster> gaz`: Do you have a custom adapter?
Jun 11 11:05:32 <funktronic> napster: ah
Jun 11 11:05:48 <funktronic> i want to throw in a "build" command that would build everything, run the tests etc..
Jun 11 11:05:54 <funktronic> w/o needing any dependencies
Jun 11 11:06:21 <napster> ok
Jun 11 11:07:43 <napster> gaz`: If you have a custom adapter, you can specify an onClick listener to the child widget of a list item inside the getView() of the adapter. Thats what I do.
Jun 11 11:08:39 <gaz`> yes napster
Jun 11 11:08:58 <gaz`> hmm when i did that the onListItemClicked stopped working
Jun 11 11:09:13 <gaz`> i was using an imagebutton in a row
Jun 11 11:09:16 <napster> gaz`: Try adjusting the focus as well
Jun 11 11:09:16 <gaz`> with a clicklistener on it
Jun 11 11:09:31 <gaz`> in what way
Jun 11 11:09:59 <napster> gaz`: Both your list item and the child should be focusable
Jun 11 11:10:07 <gaz`> right
Jun 11 11:10:11 <gaz`> and i can use an imagebutton?
Jun 11 11:10:45 <napster> gaz`: Anything you wish
Jun 11 11:10:50 <gaz`> nice one
Jun 11 11:10:52 <napster> check this out gaz` http://www.geekmind.net/2009/11/android-custom-list-item-with-nested.html
Jun 11 11:10:53 <gaz`> i will try that thanks
Jun 11 11:10:58 <gaz`> awesome
Jun 11 11:19:57 <Pinas> hello, anyone here knows how non-root Backup Apps manage to backup apks of installed apps ????
Jun 11 11:20:15 <Zider> didn't know they could..
Jun 11 11:33:54 <appel1> Pinas: what backup apps would that be?
Jun 11 12:10:58 <kselos> how to change time zone in android programmatically ?
Jun 11 12:12:34 <pihhan> i believe android would not let you change that, unless you are creating custom rom
Jun 11 12:13:03 <pihhan> is there reason to do it yourself, instead of user switching it automatically?
Jun 11 12:13:28 <pihhan> i mean not automatically, but by hand from settings
Jun 11 12:13:48 <MDijkstra> yeah, I would be very pissed off if an android app changed my timezone without my consent :p
Jun 11 12:14:18 <kselos> yes I build custom rom for many devices, and I want to set by default time zone on the devices on GMT+1
Jun 11 12:15:11 <MDijkstra> #android-root
Jun 11 12:17:55 <pihhan> i have automatic network provided date & time and I am happy with that. Is there reason to hardcode any timezone in ROM as default?
Jun 11 12:20:55 <sukramTM> When I change in my databaseHandler the version (private static final int DATABASE_VERSION = 3;) the it starts the onUpgrade or?
Jun 11 12:27:52 <kselos> @pihhan: this device doesn't have any gms/lte module
Jun 11 12:27:58 <kselos> *gsm
Jun 11 12:43:38 <olimol> Hey guys, anyone there atm?
Jun 11 12:44:22 <hokkaido> I'm not ATM. I'm a answering machine.
Jun 11 12:44:49 <ixc> answer terminal machine
Jun 11 12:45:02 <olimol> lol
Jun 11 12:45:16 <olimol> So troll, you guys alright with android?
Jun 11 12:45:19 <olimol> Im new and im having trouble
Jun 11 12:45:20 <olimol> :x
Jun 11 12:45:45 <ixc> i just dont understand why u ask 30 question, before u ask the problem
Jun 11 12:46:12 <olimol> lol sorry
Jun 11 12:46:13 <olimol> Ok.
Jun 11 12:46:15 <olimol> http://pastebin.com/UTmmYvJ7
Jun 11 12:46:16 <olimol> Theres my code
Jun 11 12:46:22 <olimol> basically , the label does not update
Jun 11 12:46:27 <olimol> to how i want it to.
Jun 11 12:46:35 <olimol> See where it says lives
Jun 11 12:46:54 <olimol> Yeah, i set an Async task at bottom
Jun 11 12:46:58 <olimol> but it does not set text.
Jun 11 12:48:06 <ixc> nice infinite loop in asynctask :)
Jun 11 12:48:37 <ixc> first i think remove infinite loop, try dump to log values.toString and try set a constant string to label
Jun 11 12:49:14 <olimol> Uhm, im new.. one at a time please :D
Jun 11 12:49:19 <olimol> How do i remove the infinite loop?
Jun 11 12:50:08 <ixc> increase times variable
Jun 11 12:50:23 <ixc> oh sorry its not local one, didnt saw first
Jun 11 12:50:39 <olimol> :P
Jun 11 12:51:14 <olimol> It should like count down
Jun 11 12:51:24 <ixc> u ever exec the async?
Jun 11 12:51:25 <olimol> Like when someone passes the outside of the screen it will - 1
Jun 11 12:51:32 <olimol> :o, how do i do that
Jun 11 12:51:33 <olimol> lol
Jun 11 12:51:37 <olimol> Sorry.. im clueless.
Jun 11 12:54:47 <ixc> so u tried with execute?
Jun 11 12:54:58 <olimol> Cant find how to execute.
Jun 11 12:55:06 <olimol> is it run() ?
Jun 11 12:55:18 <ixc> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jun 11 12:56:22 <Leeds> olimol: are you new to coding, or new to Android?
Jun 11 12:56:54 <olimol> new to android.
Jun 11 12:57:16 <olimol> Not 100% with java though.
Jun 11 12:58:17 <ixc> looks was a good idea dont read code :D
Jun 11 13:04:57 <AlCapwn> /
Jun 11 13:23:01 <InanTop> Good morning all, I've inherited a defect related to our use of skia in our custom widget rendering in Android... unfortunately I'm not very familiar with Android and not familiar at all with Skia so please excuse my naive questions
Jun 11 13:23:26 <InanTop> We're drawing pixels directly into a native skia bitmap, which works as expected unless an Android system widget causes an invalidation
Jun 11 13:23:32 <InanTop> i.e. pulling the notification bar down or changing the volume
Jun 11 13:23:38 <InanTop> in which case our widgets are obliterated
Jun 11 13:23:44 <InanTop> and fail to redraw until interacted with
Jun 11 13:24:42 <InanTop> My theory was that skia is double buffered and we're drawing into the front buffer only, causing it to incorrectly swap
Jun 11 13:24:52 <InanTop> but I've found no documentation that leads me to believe it's true
Jun 11 13:26:15 <xemi> I'm planning recording short (0.5 sec) audio clips continuously and compare them to eachother in order to detect intrusion (house breakins, voices, all kind of variations). How can I do this comparisson with the AudioRecord object?
Jun 11 13:27:53 <EPG> xemi, i fear this is not gonna be that easy
Jun 11 13:28:59 <xemi> EPG, so how would you suggest approaching this: comparing 2 sound clips to spot major audio differences between them?
Jun 11 13:29:17 <EPG> maybe a fast fourier analysis
Jun 11 13:29:36 <xemi> it doesn't have to be all that sofisticated. Just "feel" major noise differences or something
Jun 11 13:29:59 <EPG> ok
Jun 11 13:30:30 <EPG> then you'd just have to extract the volume level of each track and compare them with a treshold
Jun 11 13:30:52 <xemi> so basically I'm going to classify each sound clip on volume levels?
Jun 11 13:31:11 <xemi> and major volume level differences will mean motion detection
Jun 11 13:31:25 <EPG> that's the way id do it in a less sophisticated way
Jun 11 13:32:32 <xemi> EPG, so basically I'll just capture clips using AudioRecord to buffers and then I'ma have myself some methods of comparing the volume in the recorded buffers
Jun 11 13:33:32 <EPG> i remember a function called getMaxAmplitude() or something, this might help
Jun 11 13:34:00 <EPG> just don't compare like if (old_vol < new_vol) then it should be fine
Jun 11 13:34:01 <xemi> ok EPG, thanks for your help. I'm get right on to it.
Jun 11 13:34:44 <EPG> instead compare the difference: if (abs(old_vol - new_vol) > threshold)
Jun 11 13:35:15 <EPG> however if there's usually no noise, you could also fire on a loud input
Jun 11 14:02:07 <xemi> It appears that AudioRecord doesn't have a straightforward way of getting the amplitude so I gotta switch over to MediaRecord object.
Jun 11 14:27:48 <vekexasia> hello all
Jun 11 14:28:10 <vekexasia> Does someone know why I can "catch" the share menu item click?
Jun 11 14:28:19 <vekexasia> in onOptionsItemSelected ?
Jun 11 14:29:41 <vekexasia> JakeWharton: ping ?
Jun 11 14:29:52 <JakeWharton> PONG
Jun 11 14:30:01 <mikedg> vekexasia: why do you want to do that
Jun 11 14:30:12 <mikedg> poong
Jun 11 14:30:19 <vekexasia> mikedg: i'm using google analytics in order to track user interactions
Jun 11 14:30:37 <vekexasia> The funny thing is that if the share actionbar item is inside the overflow menu,
Jun 11 14:30:45 <vekexasia> the onoptionsMenuSelected works
Jun 11 14:30:57 <vekexasia> if it's not in the overflow menu it does not!
Jun 11 14:30:59 <JakeWharton> there's callbacks
Jun 11 14:31:15 <JakeWharton> set them on the ShareActionProvider
Jun 11 14:31:36 <vekexasia> createShareIntent ?
Jun 11 14:31:36 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ShareActionProvider.html#setOnShareTargetSelectedListener(android.widget.ShareActionProvider.OnShareTargetSelectedListener)
Jun 11 14:31:39 <vekexasia> maybe here?
Jun 11 14:32:29 <vekexasia> well Nice one Jake... Love that solution
Jun 11 14:32:55 <JakeWharton> we do the same thing and found that nobody shares shit :(
Jun 11 14:33:02 <vekexasia> lol
Jun 11 14:33:12 <vekexasia> so it's pointless to set up a tracking code there? :P
Jun 11 14:34:00 <JakeWharton> well, hopefully not for your app
Jun 11 14:34:16 <luxurymode> Hahaha. my app was crashing on 2.2 because of something in LinkedList. anyone wanna venture a guess what it was?
Jun 11 14:35:01 <luxurymode> nosuchmethod push
Jun 11 14:35:02 <luxurymode> lol
Jun 11 14:35:07 <JakeWharton> reverse iterator?
Jun 11 14:35:07 <luxurymode> too good to be true
Jun 11 14:35:07 <JakeWharton> oh
Jun 11 14:35:22 <mikedg> reverserator~1
Jun 11 14:35:50 <luxurymode> i was like, of all methods of a linkedlist, you'd think push would be pretty dang essential. you learn something new every day....
Jun 11 14:35:59 <mikedg> JakeWharton: maybe your code is broken
Jun 11 14:36:08 <mikedg> id believe that over users not sharing
Jun 11 14:36:19 <mikedg> i use square all the time and share credit card details to my evernote account everyday
Jun 11 14:36:24 <JakeWharton> I think push is part of Queue/Dequeue which came with Gingerbread
Jun 11 14:36:50 <luxurymode> right
Jun 11 14:37:14 <JakeWharton> mikedg: i'm talking about pay with square
Jun 11 14:37:18 <luxurymode> cuz linkedlist implements queue or something like that...
Jun 11 14:37:44 <JakeWharton> and by nobody I meant a relatively small margin of the entire user base
Jun 11 14:38:40 <mikedg> who wants to share that they bought a street dildo from some homeless man with Square to twitter
Jun 11 14:38:43 <mikedg> thats why noone uses it
Jun 11 14:39:02 <JakeWharton> we have metrics on that
Jun 11 14:39:04 <JakeWharton> it's pretty high
Jun 11 14:39:20 <mikedg> well you'd have to be high to buy a dildo from a homeless man
Jun 11 14:39:30 <vekexasia> JakeWharton: any idea on how to get the choosed sharing "Activity?"
Jun 11 14:39:42 <JakeWharton> read it from the intent component/package
Jun 11 14:40:03 <vekexasia> package null
Jun 11 14:40:16 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton up early
Jun 11 14:40:19 <vekexasia> lol sorry for that
Jun 11 14:40:28 <JakeWharton> yeah i'm on my way to Moscone
Jun 11 14:40:38 <vekexasia> JakeWharton: Where are you from?
Jun 11 14:40:46 <JakeWharton> san francisco
Jun 11 14:41:01 <vekexasia> nice :)
Jun 11 14:41:09 <mikedg> omg traitor
Jun 11 14:41:13 <mikedg> he's going to get iosed
Jun 11 14:41:13 <JakeWharton> i hear Google I/O is today
Jun 11 14:41:33 <JakeWharton> so I'm wearing an Apple shirt to troll them all
Jun 11 14:41:45 <JakeWharton> i'll be the only one
Jun 11 14:42:01 <mikedg> :)
Jun 11 14:42:22 <mikedg> i'm going to wear my android hoodie to WWDC on the 27th
Jun 11 14:42:48 <JakeWharton> steve jobs will rise up from the grave and lynch you
Jun 11 14:44:07 <mikedg> wear your android on your boob http://www.googlestore.com/Wearables/Ladies+Android+T-Shirt+-+Silver.axd
Jun 11 15:00:15 <canadiancow|work> how do you get all the fragments in your activity
Jun 11 15:00:35 <JakeWharton> loop
Jun 11 15:01:02 <canadiancow|work> loop over...
Jun 11 15:09:35 <Rockmaninoff> with ActionBarSherlock, is it not possible to call ab.setBackgroundDrawable twice?
Jun 11 15:09:49 <Rockmaninoff> oh boo no JakeWharton
Jun 11 15:11:01 <luxurymode> canadiancow|work, yeah how can you avoid needing a tag or an id?
Jun 11 15:11:21 <canadiancow|work> i dont care waht the fragments are...i need to loop through them all
Jun 11 15:11:30 <canadiancow|work> the stupid fragment manager has a list of all fragments
Jun 11 15:12:02 <luxurymode> but how can you find them without an id or a tag?
Jun 11 15:12:19 <luxurymode> you mean it internally has all the frags?
Jun 11 15:13:49 <canadiancow|work> yes
Jun 11 15:13:55 <canadiancow|work> it has a List<Fragment> mAdded
Jun 11 15:14:00 <canadiancow|work> i basically need that list
Jun 11 15:14:14 <JakeWharton> ask politely
Jun 11 15:14:17 <canadiancow|work> and id rather not revert to doing http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6102007/is-there-a-way-to-get-references-for-all-currently-active-fragments-in-an-activi
Jun 11 15:14:25 <JakeWharton> getSupportFragmentManger().pleaseOhPleaseCanIHaveAllTheFragments()
Jun 11 15:15:02 <canadiancow|work> ...
Jun 11 15:15:08 <JakeWharton> apparently someone aliased i-cant-think-for-myself.com to redirect to stackoverflow.com
Jun 11 15:15:08 <canadiancow|work> why are you being so unhelpful :(
Jun 11 15:15:52 <JakeWharton> because there's no way to do it
Jun 11 15:16:14 <mikedg> ugh so git-svn is picking up a commit, but not getting the changes
Jun 11 15:16:14 <mikedg> wtf
Jun 11 15:16:52 <luxurymode> canadiancow|work, looks like theres a fragmentmanagerstate class in fragmentmanager that writes that array to a parcel, but dont see how to grab hold of that...
Jun 11 15:17:11 <JakeWharton> it's package scoped
Jun 11 15:17:15 <JakeWharton> just put your own class in the package
Jun 11 15:17:28 <osxorgate> anyone know of an issue with maybe samsung phones and crashes when using camera via intent?
Jun 11 15:17:49 <JakeWharton> still the wrong thing to do, but at least it's less hacky than whatever else will be suggested
Jun 11 15:18:00 <JakeWharton> i recommend you find a more standard way to communicate
Jun 11 15:18:18 <JakeWharton> if you need all the fragments, have them register as a listener for events
Jun 11 15:18:35 <luxurymode> or a broadcastreceiver type thing
Jun 11 15:18:52 <JakeWharton> jesus
Jun 11 15:18:58 <JakeWharton> i just read that stack overflow you linked
Jun 11 15:19:01 <luxurymode> or actually can you not register that in a fragment lol
Jun 11 15:19:34 <canadiancow|work> i dont want to force registration though....almost all our fragments need to be informed of certain events
Jun 11 15:19:40 <JakeWharton> use an eventbus
Jun 11 15:19:45 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, whats so eggregious about it?
Jun 11 15:21:20 <TheFred> Can anyone tell me which encoding is returned from speechRegoniser intent? Im sending reconised text to a socket but theres an intermitent problem with sometimes the first word is perfix with a random character. I had assumed it was utf-8...
Jun 11 15:21:34 <canadiancow|work> event bus does not work in one of these cases
Jun 11 15:24:18 <JakeWharton> then have your fragments register with their parent activity
Jun 11 15:25:29 <canadiancow|work> which is essentially waht that SO article does
Jun 11 15:26:45 <mikedg> fuck git-svn :9
Jun 11 15:26:50 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4
Jun 11 15:26:57 <JakeWharton> yeah but it does it in an ass-backwards way
Jun 11 15:27:10 <JakeWharton> and it never unregisters
Jun 11 15:27:42 <JakeWharton> reboot like it's hot
Jun 11 15:29:06 <xemi> I've set write to external storage and audio rec permissions, in my manifest file.
Jun 11 15:32:02 <JakeWharton> hello darkness my old friend
Jun 11 15:32:17 <wongk> you can call me wongk
Jun 11 15:44:44 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4 ; I've set Audio Rec + Write External Storage permissions.
Jun 11 15:50:41 <toradam> an app just froze my tablet, had to power off. I thought it was not possible for an app to freeze whole system, is that wrong?
Jun 11 15:51:06 <p_l> toradam: theory and practice, man, theory and practice
Jun 11 15:51:25 <JakeWharton> we talkin' bout practice
Jun 11 15:51:41 <JakeWharton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
Jun 11 15:52:15 <p_l> toradam: anyway, I strongly suspect that 2.3+ is easier to crash this way than before
Jun 11 15:52:39 <toradam> 4.0.3
Jun 11 15:53:13 <p_l> brb
Jun 11 16:03:12 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4 ; I've set Audio Rec + Write External Storage permissions.
Jun 11 16:04:26 <ninjai> Can someone clear my confusion on the android activity lifecycle? I have an activity that tracks gps movements to calculate total distance walked, if I lock my phone or if I switch apps, I don't want it to stop tracking me.  My activity creates an inner class which implements a locationlistener
Jun 11 16:17:13 <canadiancow|work> ninjai, i wouldnt do it from an activity then
Jun 11 16:17:51 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4 ; I've set Audio Rec + Write External Storage permissions.
Jun 11 16:18:03 <ninjai> canadiancow|work, what other option(s) do I have?
Jun 11 16:18:11 <ninjai> a service?
Jun 11 16:18:12 <canadiancow|work> service?
Jun 11 16:18:33 <ninjai> ok, time to go learn about services, thanks
Jun 11 16:18:34 <canadiancow|work> basically if you want something to happen when you arent showing the UI, an activity is probably not your best bet
Jun 11 16:18:54 <ninjai> thats what I was thinking, I've never done a service before in android so time to learn :D
Jun 11 16:37:23 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4 ; I've set Audio Rec + Write External Storage permissions.
Jun 11 16:45:39 <luxurymode> what do you guys think of this emerging pattern of "side navigation"? when i saw it show up in google plus i thought it was such bs. to have the up navigation button in the actionbar just pop up the side menu seemed like such an anti-pattern. like it just admits that navigation is too complicated, that all the stuff about how to use the actionbar in the design guidelines is a fail, etc, etc, am i wrong?
Jun 11 16:50:34 <Rockmaninoff> JakeWharton: is there something wrong with calling ab.setBackgroundDrawable() twice? the second time i do it, it removes the background (or sets it to null)...
Jun 11 16:50:38 <Rockmaninoff> at least from what i'm seeing
Jun 11 16:50:55 <JakeWharton> nothing wrong with that
Jun 11 16:51:34 <Rockmaninoff> bah
Jun 11 16:53:50 <xemi> I'm using AudioRecorder to record short audio clips but I'm getting IllegalStateException when calling AudioRecord.start() I've been looking for some time but can't find the cause of this... here's a piece of my code: http://pastebin.com/rpZHBnj4 ; I've set Audio Rec + Write External Storage permissions.
Jun 11 16:56:32 <xemi> I can't believe im stuck at this for 4 hours.
Jun 11 16:56:58 <jeppy> xemi, stack trace?
Jun 11 16:57:13 <Cira> Im trying to debug an Android app through Eclipse using a emulated virtual device... I know how to see the values of variables and set breakpoints... but I need to run java expressions on the variables when I'm at a breakpoint to see what they would evaluate to. How do I do that?
Jun 11 16:57:42 <luxurymode> xemi what is tb?
Jun 11 16:57:46 <luxurymode> in soundcomponent
Jun 11 16:58:10 <robb_www> Cira that is easy
Jun 11 16:58:16 <xemi> jeppy: catching the exception, the stacktrace prints "start called at an invalid state"
Jun 11 16:58:21 <robb_www> Cira, you want to use the expressions window
Jun 11 16:58:27 <xemi> luxurymode: it's a textview I'm using
Jun 11 16:58:45 <luxurymode> how can you be calling prepare and start on it in a while loop?
Jun 11 16:58:50 <luxurymode> why the hell would you do that
Jun 11 16:59:00 <luxurymode> you need to configure, prepare and start your mediarecorder once
Jun 11 16:59:17 <luxurymode> the next time you call start in the while loop, you will immediately get an illegalstateexception
Jun 11 16:59:32 <xemi> luxurymode: im sorry I meant tb is a ToggleButton
Jun 11 16:59:38 <luxurymode> so
Jun 11 16:59:39 <luxurymode> same thing
Jun 11 16:59:46 <luxurymode> if(tb.isChecked())
Jun 11 16:59:48 <luxurymode> not while
Jun 11 16:59:58 <luxurymode> and dont be sleeping threads and all this craziness
Jun 11 17:00:32 <xemi> luxurymode: I'm trying to continuously record 250 ms sound clips while a togglebutton is checked
Jun 11 17:00:49 <luxurymode> you can record one clip with a single mediarecorder
Jun 11 17:00:50 <xemi> but I'll try getting it out of the loop to see if I get rid of the invalidstate
Jun 11 17:01:00 <luxurymode> you wanna record another? great. release it and create acquire a new one
Jun 11 17:01:02 <XeruX> How would one normally implement tabs in honeycomb without using the actionbar?
Jun 11 17:01:41 <XeruX> I'm working on a map-app, and if the user clicks on an item, a new view should open somehow (dialog/new activity/whatever), and in this new window, there should be tabs for "Images", "Videos", "Audio"
Jun 11 17:01:52 <XeruX> how would one normally implement this in a tablet app?
Jun 11 17:01:54 <luxurymode> XeruX, see the top of this page:  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/TabActivity.html
Jun 11 17:02:02 <luxurymode> nothing tablet specific xerux
Jun 11 17:02:07 <luxurymode> but theres no reason to do it
Jun 11 17:02:24 <luxurymode> if you want tab navigation then use the actionbar with the viewpageindicator lib from github
Jun 11 17:02:37 <luxurymode> with jake's actionbarsherlock or the native one if you dont need backwards compat
Jun 11 17:02:54 <XeruX> luxurymode: but wouldn't the user be confused if the actionbar suddenly has tabs? (When it originally does not)
Jun 11 17:03:12 <XeruX> I'm only aiming at > 3.0, so no sherlock
Jun 11 17:03:24 <luxurymode> no, if they are at some point in the ui that calls for tabs, then use tabs there
Jun 11 17:03:28 <luxurymode> makes perfect sense to me
Jun 11 17:03:39 <luxurymode> different parts of an app call for different patterns
Jun 11 17:03:56 <xemi> luxurymode: Thanks alot for you input I'm trying your solution right now hope it'll work
Jun 11 17:04:19 <luxurymode> are you confused in the google plus app when you go from photos to somewhere else and suddenly there are tabs?
Jun 11 17:04:35 <XeruX> lost connection: did you say something ?
Jun 11 17:04:49 <luxurymode> no, if they are at some point in the ui that calls for tabs, then use tabs there
Jun 11 17:04:55 <luxurymode> makes perfect sense to me
Jun 11 17:04:58 <luxurymode> different parts of an app call for different patterns
Jun 11 17:04:59 <luxurymode> are you confused in the google plus app when you go from photos to somewhere else and suddenly there are tabs?
Jun 11 17:05:02 <Cira> <robb_www> THANK YOU
Jun 11 17:05:13 <XeruX> luxurymode: hm, maybe it does make sense.
Jun 11 17:05:31 <luxurymode> ;)
Jun 11 17:05:43 <XeruX> I'll have a go at it and see what happens
Jun 11 17:17:30 <gowie> Hey all, I am looking to add a button programmtically to the bottom of a linearLayout which contains a webview. Would the correct way of going about this be to find the height of the device then subtract the height of the button and set that equal to the height of the webview? Currently, If i set the webview to be match_content then it gets set to just the size of the html, which in the case of what I am currently working on is just a
Jun 11 17:17:30 <gowie> div with a background, so its just the size of a small div. If I set the height of the webview to fill_parent it overwrites the button, or at least I think thats what its doing. Any ideas?
Jun 11 17:23:53 <robb_www> gowie, give it a weight and set its height to 0dp, the weight denotes how much of the free space (relative to other views with a weight) the view should occupy
Jun 11 17:24:46 <robb_www> so for example if you had two buttons side-by-side, and set both of their widths to 0dp, but leftButton had weight 1 and rightButton had weight 2, leftButton would take approximately 1/3 of the width of the screen while rightButton would take 2/3
Jun 11 17:28:17 <gowie> robb_www Thanks a ton man, I appreciate the help!
Jun 11 17:34:41 <gowie> robb_www Hey one quick question, why do you suggest to set the width to 0dp? Is this basically telling it to wrap the content?
Jun 11 17:39:50 <gowie> robb_www Never mind, I got it now. Thanks again!
Jun 11 17:45:11 <canadiancow|work> dunno if anyones paying attention to wwdc keynote, but am i the only one who doesnt really care about the laptop screen?
Jun 11 17:45:20 <canadiancow|work> like...most of the time im connected to an external, larger monitor
Jun 11 17:48:07 <yhpark> new mbp rocks
Jun 11 17:49:46 <JakeWharton> #android-offtopic
Jun 11 17:50:51 <xemi> luxurymode: thanks the problem was exactly as you stated on the MediaRecorder while loop.
Jun 11 17:51:04 <luxurymode> xemi glad you got it working
Jun 11 17:53:34 <luxurymode> canadiancow|work, where you watching it?
Jun 11 17:53:39 <luxurymode> the new pro looks beastly
Jun 11 17:53:45 <luxurymode> STARTS at $2200?!
Jun 11 17:53:49 <JakeWharton> #android-offtopic
Jun 11 17:54:28 <luxurymode> hehe true true
Jun 11 17:54:30 <canadiancow|work> it looks fine, but i never want to get into a situation where my "main" monitor (not laptop's) is significantly worse than the laptops
Jun 11 17:54:59 <luxurymode> #justsayin lol
Jun 11 17:54:59 * Ge0rG is working with a laptop screen + keyboard 95% of the time
Jun 11 17:55:39 <luxurymode> canadiancow|work, i dont care about that. im also mostly connected to a cinema display but wont complain about having an awesome monitor on the machine itself
Jun 11 17:57:57 <napster> luxurymode: Where can I take a look at the new mbp?
Jun 11 17:58:31 <canadiancow|work> interesting sharing feature
Jun 11 17:59:02 <luxurymode> napster, saw it on gizmodo but looks like its gonna be on apple.com today
Jun 11 17:59:17 <napster> ok luxurymode
Jun 11 18:02:11 <TheFred> hmmm, whats the best way to get the user to enter an IP address?
Jun 11 18:04:42 <xemi> luxurymode: don't want to annoy you but I've revised the while loop to reinitialize/reset every 250 miliseconds to get the samples. However now I don't understand, though recording is working properly, why would the getMaxAmplitude always sit on zero in this case http://pastebin.com/LXH1HMiz?
Jun 11 18:05:17 <luxurymode> xemi, have you released the other one before making a new one?
Jun 11 18:05:47 <luxurymode> also you're gonna have issues if you're doing this outside of a thread that has access to a looper
Jun 11 18:07:32 <xemi> I've tried both releasing and resetting
Jun 11 18:08:41 <xemi> I don't understand your second suggestion.
Jun 11 18:10:54 <badfish129> can anyone help me to compile a library for android ndk with the toolchain
Jun 11 18:11:13 <jayd16> hey all, I'm playing with ABS and SherlockPreferenceActivity.  Does anyone know how I'm supposed to set the up action?  I don't (think I) have access to the actionbar once a new preference screen is open.
Jun 11 18:11:47 <JakeWharton> it will call onOptionsItemSelected with android.R.id.home as the itemId
Jun 11 18:13:48 <Zharf> so this is why there's d.android.com
Jun 11 18:13:50 <Zharf> Iceweasel can't find the server at develeoper.android.com.
Jun 11 18:13:50 <jayd16> heh, hi Jake!  I guess the problem is, I want the children's up action to push back to the top list of settings and the up action for the top settings to go back to the main app page.  Is there a way to have different actions?
Jun 11 18:15:40 <shutin> hi, i'm debugging a web service used by my android app. how can I put the emulator on the same subnet as my internal web server?
Jun 11 18:30:12 <Mavvok> what's the difference between "@id" and "@+id"?
Jun 11 18:31:18 <Zharf> + creates, no + refers
Jun 11 18:31:53 <Mavvok> Zharf: thank you :)
Jun 11 18:42:51 <jayd16> Back to my ABS, SherlockPreferenceActivity question…  Child preference screens actually don't call onOptionsItemSelected in the parent SPActivity.  Hmmm…
Jun 11 18:45:51 <SimonVT> Not supported
Jun 11 18:46:04 <g00s> http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/11/166212/the-billions-in-mobile-ad-money-nobody-can-grab … doesn't seem like ads are the way to go :|
Jun 11 18:46:08 <jayd16> fair enough
Jun 11 18:52:34 <g00s> it so quiet in here for a monday :| is everybody at wwdc :)
Jun 11 18:53:39 <Rich787> oh man... the people in my office aren't even working
Jun 11 18:53:50 <Rich787> just talking about all the latest apple updates
Jun 11 18:53:56 <Mavvok> g00s: LOL
Jun 11 18:54:37 <g00s> Rich787: i'll wait for a good summary in a few days :) but those new MBP machines look so sweet
Jun 11 18:55:13 <Rich787> hehe yea they are pretty cool. I just couldn't bring myself to part with the money :P
Jun 11 18:55:14 <g00s> too bad i don't like os x much :(
Jun 11 18:55:34 <Mavvok> but...but... it's unhackable and doesn't get viruses
Jun 11 18:56:07 <Rich787> but but Linux is free and fun to tinker with AND doesn't get viruses. Granted that you are patient enough to read all the documentation
Jun 11 18:56:10 * tors watches ukraine vs sweden, european football championship
Jun 11 18:56:34 <Rich787> ;)
Jun 11 18:56:42 <Zider> pff, BeOS ftw!
Jun 11 18:56:50 <Mavvok> but you're not cool unless you buy a mac Rich787 :-p
Jun 11 18:57:01 <Rich787> hah that's what everyone keeps telling me
Jun 11 18:57:13 <Rich787> resistance is futile
Jun 11 18:57:18 <harpal> I would like to play video in webview, I had referred http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4989738/how-to-play-a-video-in-a-webview-with-android link, but if my page has video tag then its not displaying anything
Jun 11 18:57:41 <Mavvok> i'm not gonna lie, the mag-adapter is pretty effin rad... but i can't justify the cost of entry for a laptop
Jun 11 18:58:05 <harpal> I have also implemented custom ChomeClient class and implemented all methods, but still it doesnt working.
Jun 11 18:59:20 <Rich787> is anyone familiar with using the batch method to add a new contact?
Jun 11 19:01:57 <ClockworkAnt> are there any tools to help with developing theme's for activity/dialogs in android? I want a dialogfragement with holo in api 8+. To do this I need to extract the correct style from the ics source but its all distributed accross many files. Are there any tools which ease the browsing of style files?
Jun 11 19:06:15 <Jabo> evening
Jun 11 19:06:45 <Rich787> hey there
Jun 11 19:08:21 <JakeWharton> dialog fragment is not a UI component
Jun 11 19:08:28 <JakeWharton> it's a management container around a dialog
Jun 11 19:09:33 <Ikarus> is there a Android supplied API for turning NV21 into RGB ?
Jun 11 19:10:53 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton ur faec is a ui component
Jun 11 19:11:03 <canadiancow|work> <com.jakewharton.face />
Jun 11 19:11:25 <ctate> Ikarus: Not to my knowledge.
Jun 11 19:11:27 <Jabo> lol
Jun 11 19:12:22 <Ikarus> ctate: hm, so we really aren't expected to be doing anything with previewImage images
Jun 11 19:13:37 <Ikarus> for academic exercise we have to do silly things like implementing our own image rotation routines
Jun 11 19:13:47 <Ikarus> that work on realtime video
Jun 11 19:14:01 <canadiancow|work> is it just me, or does iOS6 only update apps?
Jun 11 19:14:07 <canadiancow|work> like did anything change in the actual OS
Jun 11 19:14:11 <Ikarus> but the previewImage is in NV21 format, the Canvas drawable for output is ARGB
Jun 11 19:14:18 <Ikarus> so I have to do a conversion at some point
Jun 11 19:15:28 <Ikarus> is there a better approach then using my own conversion routine (ie, is there a pixel output thing that does handle YUV ? or something)
Jun 11 19:17:00 <ctate> well, have you determined that the camera can *only* give you NV21?
Jun 11 19:17:11 <ctate> [that is, when you ask for supported preview formats, that's the only one it reports?]
Jun 11 19:17:23 <pragma-> interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/9324597/Stopping-internet-troll-using-computer-would-breach-his-human-rights-judge-rules.html
Jun 11 19:17:37 <Ikarus> ctate: I have tested that indeed, and sadly it supports nothing else
Jun 11 19:18:00 <badfish129> can anyone help me with some ndk toolchain stuff?
Jun 11 19:18:34 <Jabo> i don't have any experience on toolchain
Jun 11 19:19:03 <badfish129> I'm trying to compile a library that uses stl and I'm having some trouble with the linking
Jun 11 19:23:50 <pragma-> my phone is in the other room and I'm too lazy to go get it.  does this qr image actually scan to any text or url?  http://www.splitreason.com/product/1226
Jun 11 19:25:19 <pragma-> yeah it does
Jun 11 19:25:24 <pragma-> http://zxing.org/w/decode?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.splitreason.com%2FProduct_Images%2F51abfd26e7db.jpg&full=true
Jun 11 19:26:00 <pragma-> nice way to advertise
Jun 11 19:29:19 <jimi_hendrix> how fast is message passing via handlers
Jun 11 19:29:28 <canadiancow|work> this
Jun 11 19:29:29 <canadiancow|work> fast
Jun 11 19:30:26 <brx_> <chortle>
Jun 11 19:31:17 <jimi_hendrix> i mean, can i do it 60 times a second, or will that not fly well
Jun 11 19:31:45 <MDijkstra> jimi_hendrix: that depends, do you require precise timing?
Jun 11 19:31:47 <ctate> yes, it can certainly handle that
Jun 11 19:32:00 <MDijkstra> ie, it will probably make that throughput
Jun 11 19:32:01 <ctate> but of course now the question is what you're actually trying to accomplish, etc.
Jun 11 19:32:16 <MDijkstra> but latency-wise, afaik all bets are off
Jun 11 19:32:25 <jimi_hendrix> alright
Jun 11 19:32:31 <jimi_hendrix> i will need to figure out another way to do this
Jun 11 19:32:38 <MDijkstra> do what?
Jun 11 19:33:06 <pragma-> whatever he has to do
Jun 11 19:33:12 <pragma-> he's obviously got it under conrol.
Jun 11 19:33:16 * ctate hears "60 times a second" and immediately thinks fps
Jun 11 19:33:21 <MDijkstra> same
Jun 11 19:33:50 <mikedg> why would you need to do that 60 times a second
Jun 11 19:33:54 <mikedg> are you making  agame?
Jun 11 19:34:05 <mikedg> if not noone gives a flying fuck about you updating something 60 times a second
Jun 11 19:34:07 <ctate> taht'd be my guess; he's posting a "draw the next frame now" message
Jun 11 19:34:26 <ctate> mikedg: that's not true; scrolling/flinging lists it is good to be able to hit 60fps too
Jun 11 19:34:44 <ctate> but yes, if you can't hit 60 then hitting 30 *exactly and reliably* is a lot better than waffling between 35 and 55
Jun 11 19:34:55 <canadiancow|work> really?
Jun 11 19:35:00 <jimi_hendrix> i am making an emulator. i know a million already exist, but it is a learning experience, and i want to do some things that other emulators dont
Jun 11 19:35:07 <ctate> canadiancow|work: usually, yes
Jun 11 19:35:20 <pragma-> back in the 90's I used to lock my fps at 35-40 while playing quake1 for optimum harmony of my antiquated hardware
Jun 11 19:35:42 <ctate> pragma-: ... and got pwned by the folks with 80Hz monitors :)
Jun 11 19:35:46 <pragma-> nope
Jun 11 19:35:47 <jimi_hendrix> i already have it working as a desktop app, and i am porting it to android.
Jun 11 19:35:50 <mikedg> you think anyone asking questions in here is making a list from scratch though?
Jun 11 19:36:07 <ctate> that's the big thing i miss in the migration from CRTs to LCD monitors
Jun 11 19:36:12 <pragma-> I was often on the top of the leaderboard
Jun 11 19:36:20 <readme> Why is it that this isn't working in intellij?
Jun 11 19:36:24 <pragma-> I can probably still whup the young'uns today.
Jun 11 19:36:24 <readme>     <style name="PG" parent="@android:style/Theme">
Jun 11 19:36:27 <jimi_hendrix> so i need to update the display at about 60 FPS
Jun 11 19:36:43 <trentg> Anybody else getting errors trying to upload new apps right now?
Jun 11 19:36:43 <readme> the parent= attribute gets highlighted and a compiler error occurs
Jun 11 19:36:43 <mikedg> readme: parent is only suggested
Jun 11 19:36:46 <mikedg> you dont need it
Jun 11 19:36:48 * pragma- fires up some QuakeLive.com
Jun 11 19:36:54 <readme> mikedg: so it doesn't actually do anything?
Jun 11 19:37:00 <mikedg> readme: it's a joke
Jun 11 19:37:04 <pragma-> locked at 125 fps
Jun 11 19:37:07 <mikedg> PG = parental guidance suggested
Jun 11 19:37:12 <jimi_hendrix> in my desktop version, i had the emulator running in a thread, and every time it needed to update the display, it would just invalidate the display. i cant do that in android
Jun 11 19:37:13 <MDijkstra> jimi_hendrix: kind of depends on the model you have, but can't you do some shared memory magic?
Jun 11 19:37:17 <readme> mikedg: haha
Jun 11 19:37:19 <readme> good one
Jun 11 19:37:22 <jimi_hendrix> MDijkstra, what do you mean
Jun 11 19:37:31 <MDijkstra> jimi_hendrix: either that or render directly into a texture
Jun 11 19:37:59 <MDijkstra> jimi_hendrix: I think you can do that from a background thread with GL
Jun 11 19:38:19 <jimi_hendrix> well i need to update the display after so many cpu cycles for timing purposes
Jun 11 19:38:39 <MDijkstra> well, I guess you're not doing the emulation logic on the main thread?
Jun 11 19:38:41 <mikedg> why dont you just try it and see what happens?
Jun 11 19:39:26 <readme> had nothing to do with intellij -- needed to set a higher target sdk
Jun 11 19:39:30 <ctate> SurfaceView is your friend
Jun 11 19:39:33 <MDijkstra> considering you want to post messages to a handler
Jun 11 19:39:59 <jimi_hendrix> MDijkstra, if i did the emulation on the main thread, that would lock up the UI, no?
Jun 11 19:40:06 <MDijkstra> yes
Jun 11 19:40:11 <luxurymode> napster: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/#macbookpro
Jun 11 19:40:18 <luxurymode> whoops he aint here anymore
Jun 11 19:40:30 <QubeZ> im ordering one soon
Jun 11 19:40:50 <pragma-> QubeZ: how much you going to pay for it?
Jun 11 19:40:59 <QubeZ> $2200+
Jun 11 19:41:03 <pragma-> lol.
Jun 11 19:41:18 <QubeZ> i have a 2yr old mbpro and getting tired of it
Jun 11 19:41:30 <readme> INTELLIJ Y U HIGHLIGHT CODE AS ERROR WHEN IT NOT ERROR!!!
Jun 11 19:41:49 <pragma-> sounds like an error
Jun 11 19:42:00 <MDijkstra> eclipse?
Jun 11 19:42:01 <Zider> because that meme suck! :P
Jun 11 19:42:08 <MDijkstra> you'll need the new macbook pro though
Jun 11 19:42:10 <MDijkstra> to run it :p
Jun 11 19:42:14 <pragma-> sucky meme is not sucky
Jun 11 19:42:16 <readme> eclipse wouldn't flag this same thing as an error
Jun 11 19:42:20 <QubeZ> pragma-: why lol?
Jun 11 19:43:02 <readme> changing targetSdkVersion to 13 fixed the compilation issue but the editor highlighting is not correct
Jun 11 19:43:06 <g00s> luxurymode: thats the nice thing about apple announcements; they usually happen right away so its fresh in your mind - you can get one
Jun 11 19:43:16 <pragma-> QubeZ: I have 99 reasons but you mac users are like catholics -- there's no reasoning with you.
Jun 11 19:43:31 <g00s> when you announce something and then oems trickle it out 8 mos later, nobody cares any more :)
Jun 11 19:43:45 <g00s> because nobody even remembers wth it was about
Jun 11 19:43:45 <readme> QubeZ: how much ram in the mbpro? I'm buyin soon
Jun 11 19:44:00 <QubeZ> pragma-: you're making a huge assumption there but ok
Jun 11 19:44:06 <readme> if you are looking to sell I may be a good buyer.
Jun 11 19:44:06 <sq-one> main feature is the missing ethernetport...
Jun 11 19:44:11 <QubeZ> i like the mbpro's... if you can show me something better I'd get that
Jun 11 19:44:30 <g00s> sq-one: yeah that sucks
Jun 11 19:44:35 <QubeZ> im going to give my old one to my nephew
Jun 11 19:44:38 <readme> nah you'd be stuck with the mac no matter what because you are also an ios developer
Jun 11 19:44:48 <readme> and you are now locked in because of that
Jun 11 19:44:57 <readme> btw, this is the *only* reason I'm buying a mac
Jun 11 19:45:05 <QubeZ> right -- iOS development
Jun 11 19:45:27 <readme> i'm sure it comes with nice fonts too -- i guess that will be a plus.
Jun 11 19:45:36 <pragma-> I bought an Asus g73 a few years ago for $900 and it still runs like a champ.
Jun 11 19:45:44 <QubeZ> pragma-: I have 6G ram in my current one
Jun 11 19:45:50 <pragma-> Unimpressive.
Jun 11 19:46:04 <QubeZ> it wasn't meant to be impressive
Jun 11 19:46:11 <QubeZ> again, you really make a lot of assumptions
Jun 11 19:46:12 <pragma-> Considering you probably use crapware like Eclipse and other crap that uses 5x the ram it actually needs to be using.
Jun 11 19:46:28 <readme> eclipse runs fine on my desktop and I only have 4GB of ram
Jun 11 19:46:34 <QubeZ> works fine for me too
Jun 11 19:46:44 <readme> but I don't use a bloatware desktop environment.
Jun 11 19:46:44 <luxurymode> pragma- lol yea eclipse is redonculous
Jun 11 19:46:53 <luxurymode> no you just use a bloatware ide
Jun 11 19:46:55 <pragma-> luxurymode knows what he's talking about
Jun 11 19:47:12 <QubeZ> pragma-: because he agrees with you? now who's the catholic :P
Jun 11 19:47:21 <pragma-> QubeZ: quiet, you heathen!
Jun 11 19:47:22 <MDijkstra> lol, so typical
Jun 11 19:47:25 <MDijkstra> new mac release
Jun 11 19:47:28 <MDijkstra> :p
Jun 11 19:47:42 <readme> luxurymode: I use the best tool for the job. I'm proficient in eclipse, intellij, and the command line tools. Long time vim user.
Jun 11 19:47:54 <mikedg> pragma-: dont make me ban you
Jun 11 19:48:09 <QubeZ> pragma is a child
Jun 11 19:48:10 <luxurymode> haha
Jun 11 19:48:29 <pragma-> am not times infinity
Jun 11 19:48:35 <QubeZ> hehe
Jun 11 19:49:10 <QubeZ> pragma-: I say this with all honesty and no malintent... all your problems will be solved if you get a girlfriend
Jun 11 19:49:16 <QubeZ> you wont be as angry
Jun 11 19:49:16 <lemonade`> pragma-: what are the 99 reasons?
Jun 11 19:49:39 <ironhalik> How do I reference views in a fragment in a fragmentpageradapter? :)
Jun 11 19:49:40 <QubeZ> i got 99 problems but a bitch aint one
Jun 11 19:49:45 <pragma-> QubeZ: actually, girlfriends are the root of all my problems
Jun 11 19:50:05 <QubeZ> pragma-: the fact that you said that proves to me that you dont have one
Jun 11 19:50:13 <ironhalik> heh
Jun 11 19:50:56 <QubeZ> everyone knows that people that dont have girlfriends always lie by saying they have "tooooo many to name"
Jun 11 19:50:59 <QubeZ> lol
Jun 11 19:51:45 * ironhalik rechecks in which channel he's in
Jun 11 19:52:10 <pragma-> I can name my girlfriends.  The blonde was Golddigger.  The brunette was Whore.
Jun 11 19:52:53 <ironhalik> now he will think you're his ex, ctate
Jun 11 19:53:13 <QubeZ> I dont think that guy has helped productivity in this channel one bit
Jun 11 19:53:30 <ironhalik> be seriously, how can I reference views created by pageradapter?
Jun 11 19:53:30 <QubeZ> anyhow, lest I get kick-banned... i'll stfu
Jun 11 19:56:52 <readme> If I extend Theme.DeviceDefault
Jun 11 19:57:03 <readme> then I run that code on a device less than API level 14
Jun 11 19:57:05 <readme> what happens?
Jun 11 19:57:32 <g00s> it will be interesting if google mentions how much its paid out to developers at i/o. apple mentions this often, google doesn't
Jun 11 19:58:08 <QubeZ> based on stats, no one buys Android apps
Jun 11 19:58:40 <readme> bullshit
Jun 11 19:58:42 <g00s> QubeZ: but everyone keeps guessing, because google doesn't release stats.
Jun 11 19:58:47 <readme> those are boloney stats QubeZ
Jun 11 19:58:50 <QubeZ> I wouldn't guess Google would get into the habit of giving out those stats because they'd never compete with Apple on that front
Jun 11 19:59:08 <readme> the reason android apps don't do as well statistically is because there's a lower barrier to entry for android development
Jun 11 19:59:14 <readme> therefore more shitty apps are published
Jun 11 19:59:20 <g00s> they are happy to throw out 900k activations per day. but they shy away from this stat for some reason
Jun 11 19:59:30 <readme> 25 bucks and any computer versus 99 dolars and an expensive mac = more amateurs on the market
Jun 11 19:59:30 <QubeZ> readme: im not arguing how those stats got that way, but those stats are real
Jun 11 19:59:59 <QubeZ> readme: what you say is true... low barrier for entry, cost, expertise etc... but Android apps just sell less volume than iOS
Jun 11 20:00:06 <oGMo> yes because that extra few bucks is so expensive
Jun 11 20:00:18 <mikedg> google has paid out $5342
Jun 11 20:00:18 <readme> it's not the extra 75 bucks, it's the cost of a mac
Jun 11 20:00:33 <readme> you can get an android development machine for pennies
Jun 11 20:00:35 <oGMo> yes because that extra $2000 is so expensive =P
Jun 11 20:00:42 <readme> oGMo: for a lot of people it is, actually
Jun 11 20:00:49 <readme> some people don't even make that in a month
Jun 11 20:01:06 <mikedg> most independent developers don't make that in a month on either platform
Jun 11 20:01:08 <g00s> you can get a mini for $600, perfectly fine for ios dev
Jun 11 20:01:09 <oGMo> (i obviously exaggerate .. you can get a mac mini for what, 699? 799?)
Jun 11 20:01:09 <QubeZ> ya, macbook's can be taken for granted by people that can afford them but there are a lot of people out there that cannot afford
Jun 11 20:01:15 <oGMo> g00s: there you go
Jun 11 20:01:30 <mikedg> g00s: what about a keyboard and one button mouse?
Jun 11 20:01:34 <mikedg> up to 1000$
Jun 11 20:01:41 <mikedg> don't forget the cinema display
Jun 11 20:01:42 <mikedg> $2000
Jun 11 20:01:45 <readme> OTOH as an android dev you need to buy a lot of devices to write good code
Jun 11 20:01:53 <oGMo> heh, dumbasses
Jun 11 20:01:57 <mikedg> you need to buy a lot of devices or write good code
Jun 11 20:02:03 <QubeZ> lol
Jun 11 20:02:17 <oGMo> also, afaik, you don't even have to buy an idevice to dev on it
Jun 11 20:02:17 <mikedg> or just go hang out in a fucking phone store
Jun 11 20:02:30 <oGMo> so that's -$299+ on the android side
Jun 11 20:02:43 <mikedg> of course you have to buy an idevice to dev on
Jun 11 20:02:54 <mikedg> just as much as you have to buy an android device
Jun 11 20:03:04 <oGMo> the simulator works _very_ well from what i've heard. well enough to dev on primarily.
Jun 11 20:03:17 <g00s> yeah, i never used the hw … just the sim
Jun 11 20:03:18 <mikedg> the simulator doesn't even have notification center
Jun 11 20:03:18 <readme> total cost of getting into android development and publishing for most amateur devs is only $25, because most people already own a PC.
Jun 11 20:03:28 <readme> versus almost a thousand for ios
Jun 11 20:03:32 <mikedg> and is useless for performance
Jun 11 20:03:33 <readme> that's why there's more amateur shit
Jun 11 20:03:37 <readme> it's economically simple to understand
Jun 11 20:03:38 <g00s> readme: but what if soon, most people have macs :D
Jun 11 20:03:42 <QubeZ> mikedg: yea, the iOS simulator is horrific
Jun 11 20:03:44 <oGMo> readme: for simpletons
Jun 11 20:03:46 <readme> try to wrap your head around it
Jun 11 20:03:54 <g00s> i'm just kidding :)
Jun 11 20:03:55 <readme> oGMo: I'm talking about amateurs, yes
Jun 11 20:04:16 <mikedg> and if you want to do native dev, you have to make sure you native code compiles for x86
Jun 11 20:04:20 <readme> I'm explaining why the stats of the android market look bad
Jun 11 20:04:22 <p_l> g00s: won't happen ;)
Jun 11 20:04:32 <readme> it's not because it's a bad place to sell your apps. it's because theres a lot of SHITTY APPS
Jun 11 20:04:36 <g00s> canadiancow|work: yeah, i can't find any info on ios 6 api changes. maybe the book writers get a break this time ?
Jun 11 20:04:39 <luxurymode> readme, completely agree. pretty simple point to understand
Jun 11 20:04:45 <WogerWabbit> hi all
Jun 11 20:04:52 <mikedg> readme: not enough shitty apps, we only have a few hundred tablet apps
Jun 11 20:04:56 <mikedg> apparently
Jun 11 20:04:58 <canadiancow|work> lol
Jun 11 20:05:02 <canadiancow|work> no
Jun 11 20:05:03 <WogerWabbit> can i make an app and lock it to my customer's devices only?
Jun 11 20:05:06 <readme> mikedg: because the amateurs I'm talking about don't own tablets :!
Jun 11 20:05:08 <canadiancow|work> he said we only have a few hudnred ipad optimized apps
Jun 11 20:05:16 <mikedg> ohhh k
Jun 11 20:05:18 <readme> mikedg: wait till they get cheaper... you'll seee em
Jun 11 20:05:20 <canadiancow|work> i didnt optimize my app for ipads
Jun 11 20:05:22 <canadiancow|work> :)
Jun 11 20:05:33 <mikedg> i need retina android zynga games
Jun 11 20:05:52 <canadiancow|work> i think most of ours are designed for at least hdpi
Jun 11 20:05:57 <Rockmaninoff> hi JakeWharton got a sec? still digging around with the ActionBar.setBackgroundDrawable() issue i'm having
Jun 11 20:06:07 <oGMo> you'll have to wait for other retina games so they can be copied
Jun 11 20:06:10 <JakeWharton> i want xxxhdpi
Jun 11 20:06:16 <JakeWharton> Rockmaninoff: speak your peace
Jun 11 20:06:29 <Rockmaninoff> i think it might be some weird edge case
Jun 11 20:06:33 <Rockmaninoff> i have a single EditText in my layout
Jun 11 20:06:34 <JakeWharton> are you using ColorDrawables?
Jun 11 20:06:36 <Rockmaninoff> so it gets focus
Jun 11 20:06:39 <Rockmaninoff> using a LayerDrawable
Jun 11 20:06:53 <Rockmaninoff> on the actionDone, i call setBackgroundDrawable()
Jun 11 20:06:58 <Rockmaninoff> and the ActionBar background completely disappears
Jun 11 20:07:06 <Rockmaninoff> but when i click on the EditText again, the background comes back in
Jun 11 20:07:10 <Rockmaninoff> (and is the correct background)
Jun 11 20:07:21 <Rockmaninoff> so i guess it has something to do with the focusable-ness of the EditText?
Jun 11 20:07:31 <Rockmaninoff> focusing other items on the screen doesn't bring the background "forward", as it were
Jun 11 20:08:35 <luxurymode> Craziest thing: I have a repeating image that i stuck in a bitmap in xml so i could use tilemode=repeat, and that background looks like crap half the time, and other times it looks good. literally if i finish my activities and launch again it switches from looking good to bad or vice versa…its totally random…
Jun 11 20:08:36 <Rockmaninoff> so i guess setBackgroundDrawable() is working _correctly_, but some sort of View maybe isn't getting invalidated
Jun 11 20:09:06 <Rockmaninoff> when i said i had a single EditText, that is among other elements in the layout, but it's the sole thing that gets focus (naturally)
Jun 11 20:10:09 <mikedg> whats a fun multiplayer game on android?
Jun 11 20:10:24 <mikedg> that i could toss a handful of devices to people and play
Jun 11 20:10:29 <mikedg> there's no combat in minecraft right
Jun 11 20:13:29 <JesusFreke> mikedg: sure there is. at least, there was when I played it
Jun 11 20:13:38 <JesusFreke> which was >1yr ago
Jun 11 20:13:56 <romainguy_> luxurymode: yeah it's a known bug in Android < 4.0
Jun 11 20:15:35 <luxurymode> romainguy_, so i need the whole bitmapdrawable.settilemodexy, etc?
Jun 11 20:15:38 <canadiancow|work> it was fixed in 4.0?
Jun 11 20:15:41 <romainguy_> luxurymode: yeah
Jun 11 20:15:58 <luxurymode> romainguy_, kinda weird, i mean it worked other times ive done it, cept for when using it with the actionbar
Jun 11 20:16:11 <Rockmaninoff> hey romainguy_ are you still planning on doing this GradientDrawable setColor stuff? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7925978/android-gradient-drawable-color-change
Jun 11 20:16:12 <mikedg> JesusFreke: the android version? oh wow
Jun 11 20:16:17 <mikedg> i guess i havent played in a long time
Jun 11 20:16:17 <mikedg> lol
Jun 11 20:16:25 <mikedg> or maybe i jsut never played multi
Jun 11 20:16:26 <mikedg> i dont know
Jun 11 20:16:27 <JesusFreke> mikedg: dunno. never played the android version :)
Jun 11 20:16:40 <JesusFreke> there was no android version when I played it
Jun 11 20:16:58 <romainguy_> Rockmaninoff: done
Jun 11 20:17:10 <romainguy_> it'll be in a future release of the platform
Jun 11 20:17:19 <Rockmaninoff> oooOOOooo thanks romainguy_
Jun 11 20:17:20 <mikedg> JesusFreke: ah
Jun 11 20:17:23 <mikedg> JesusFreke: are you going to io
Jun 11 20:17:33 <JesusFreke> negatory
Jun 11 20:17:48 <JakeWharton> Rockmaninoff: does it happen on ICS?
Jun 11 20:18:01 <Rockmaninoff> JakeWharton: yes, i'm testing on that now too (was also on 2.3.3)
Jun 11 20:18:08 <Rockmaninoff> it definitely has something to do with window focusing or something
Jun 11 20:18:11 <YBinnenweg> Hello
Jun 11 20:18:13 <mikedg> in out bye
Jun 11 20:18:22 <Rockmaninoff> if i leave the soft keyboard on then just push Back and dismiss it, the background comes back
Jun 11 20:18:30 <JakeWharton> well if it happens on ICS it's 99.9% probably not an ABS bug (yay!)
Jun 11 20:18:40 <Rockmaninoff> nice, you're off the hook :P
Jun 11 20:18:47 <Rockmaninoff> strange behavior though
Jun 11 20:19:09 <JakeWharton> a reproducible test case would help
Jun 11 20:19:13 <JakeWharton> as simple as possible
Jun 11 20:19:20 <YBinnenweg> I am having a problem with my application. It works fine when I run it in "minSdkVersion="4"" but it crashes at startup with "minSdkVersion="14"". Here is the logcat http://pastebin.com/AP5r4MdK can someone please help me?
Jun 11 20:19:51 <JakeWharton> 06-11 20:03:53.571: E/log_tag(1444): Error in http connection android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
Jun 11 20:20:03 <JakeWharton> don't do networking on the main thread!
Jun 11 20:20:12 <canadiancow|work> 06-11 20:03:53.571: E/log_tag(1444): Error in http connection android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
Jun 11 20:20:16 <canadiancow|work> yea... thats pretty obvious
Jun 11 20:20:27 <YBinnenweg> new to deving
Jun 11 20:20:31 <YBinnenweg> will look into it
Jun 11 20:21:27 <YBinnenweg> so getting JSONobjects & strings should be done in another class?
Jun 11 20:22:00 <ctate> general principle: never block the main thread doing I/O.
Jun 11 20:22:31 <YBinnenweg> okay, thanks! :)
Jun 11 20:22:32 <ctate> there are a few lightweight exceptions to that -- notably, you're allowed to call setContentView(resourceID) to inflate a UI -- but that's the basic principle
Jun 11 20:22:50 <ctate> *especially* never do network I/O on the main thread
Jun 11 20:23:04 <ctate> hence the runtime failure when you try, in sufficiently new versions of Android
Jun 11 20:23:22 <YBinnenweg> okay, I will try to move it to another class
Jun 11 20:23:54 <pfn> you can inflate layouts off the main thread?
Jun 11 20:24:13 <pfn> i.e. in a background thread?
Jun 11 20:29:40 <luxurymode> ha asymetric fan blades in the MBP to reduce noise...beastly
Jun 11 20:30:23 <g00s> don't those ivy bridges run hotter :)
Jun 11 20:31:36 <g00s> now this is interesting. not sure what to make of it. http://phandroid.com/2012/06/10/intel-multi-core-chips-not-optimized-for-android-use-our-single-cores-instead/
Jun 11 20:31:46 <frogtimer> anyone used rapidminer before?
Jun 11 20:32:02 <g00s> well, what they are saying about other multicore chips is interesting
Jun 11 20:32:12 <Mavlon> hello
Jun 11 20:32:51 <alankila> intel may be right, but this looks like a media war
Jun 11 20:33:18 <alankila> if they have specific objections to the linux process scheduler, they can raise them and maybe someone improves the algorithms.
Jun 11 20:33:52 <g00s> alankila: yeah dunno, they say its a problem with the chips not the os
Jun 11 20:33:53 <gowie> Hey all, is there a ViewPager class that I could use with buttons that doesn't include horizontal swiping? Or any ideas of an idea to implement that which wont conflict too much with ViewPager?
Jun 11 20:34:00 <WogerWabbit> can i make an app and lock it to my customer's devices only?
Jun 11 20:34:13 <alankila> in any case I don't expect that these weird cpu configurations like bigLITTLE survive in the long term. The general-purpose symmetric multiprocessing will likely win out because it's convenient and easy and good enough
Jun 11 20:34:27 <alankila> g00s: yes, but OS is written to manage the resources of the chips
Jun 11 20:34:34 <Mavlon> hopefully someone here can give me a quick answer. I have safestrap installed on my Droid Bionic and want to install my non-safe (original stock) to "Safe mode" side or install .902 stock rom to "safe mode" side so I can upgrade
Jun 11 20:34:38 <alankila> g00s: if it sucks at the task, it should be changed.
Jun 11 20:35:23 <alankila> or if the chips are unreasonably sucky, then they have to be changed. Could go either way.
Jun 11 20:36:03 <TheFred> sounds like an argument between someones hardware/software engineers imo
Jun 11 20:37:33 <g00s> yeah, the tegra2 was supposedly pretty sucky
Jun 11 20:38:25 <alankila> the new android builds with the gcc 4.7 whole program optimization are what I want to be running soon
Jun 11 20:38:40 <alankila> cyanogenmod folks were hard at work integrating that shite few weeks back last time I looked
Jun 11 20:39:06 <TheFred> having been involved in both hardware and software development,it can be very stressfull when such issues occur
Jun 11 20:39:14 <alankila> I've been waiting for improved toolchain for like 2 years to arrive in NDK
Jun 11 20:39:34 <alankila> but still stubbornly at gcc 4.4
Jun 11 20:40:13 <g00s> alankila: did you see this? http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/06/09/linaro-android-nearly-doubles-ics-performance-and-now-parts-of-it-are-being-added-to-cm9/
Jun 11 20:40:49 <alankila> also saw some of the optimization work that gcc pulls off nowadays. Give it compile-time constants and it actually folds them all and does dead code elimination and can produce shit that's _perfect_, like you had written the most minimal code imaginable instead of pages and pages of generic methods
Jun 11 20:41:42 <alankila> the core of library called pixman contains a lot of abstraction to access bitmap values and the code gcc actually generates from it is the most straightforward code possible. Jaw dropped when I saw the method and realized what it was generated from.
Jun 11 20:42:38 <alankila> g00s: yes, although I dislike their "double the performance" claim. Still, it's expected to be a nice improvement in the 20 % range, you don't often get them from toolchain tweaks
Jun 11 20:42:57 <luxurymode> romainguy_so that fix for the repeating drawable doesnt exactly work. it distorts part of the asset. looks much better than w/o the fix, but it seems to be getting rid of the blue line at the bottom of my action bar asset
Jun 11 20:43:24 <luxurymode> romainguy_, for reference, im doing this: https://gist.github.com/2912555
Jun 11 20:45:36 <alankila> I was recently able to boost pixman performance for its 64-bit generic processing path by around 20 % just by fixing one poorly compiled method
Jun 11 20:46:01 <Mavlon> anyone know if there is a safestrap channel I can get help from?
Jun 11 20:46:11 <alankila> that path isn't much in the focus as it's likely 10 times slower than the optimized paths, or worse still, but I'm trying to teach pixman to deal with sRGB surfaces and performance of the codepath becomes critical
Jun 11 20:46:37 <g00s> alankila: thats always the happy scenario; when a performance problem is in one place like the method you fixed. it sucks when there are no hotspots
Jun 11 20:50:16 <g00s> i give google plenty of crap about os updates and such; so its only fair i call out apple on their shitty decision on not supporting iPad1 with iOS 6. and i don't even have one, but thats lame as hell.
Jun 11 20:50:58 <g00s> same thing - hopefully they keep pushing out security and bugfix updates to ios 5
Jun 11 20:56:38 <g00s> it would be really cool if someone at google did an interactive visualization of where in the world the 900k activations / day were happening
Jun 11 20:57:10 * ctate |  <g00s> yeah, the tegra2 was supposedly pretty sucky
Jun 11 20:57:16 <ctate> no it wasn't.
Jun 11 20:57:23 <ctate> the tegra2 was *INCREDIBLY* sucky.
Jun 11 20:57:52 <MDijkstra> its video decoder == suck
Jun 11 20:58:01 <ctate> its .* == suck
Jun 11 20:58:06 <MDijkstra> :<
Jun 11 20:58:13 <ctate> basically everything about it was broken
Jun 11 20:58:23 <ctate> sometimes by design, sometimes by stupidity
Jun 11 20:58:35 <MDijkstra> it's not like I've written kernel modules for it
Jun 11 20:58:41 <MDijkstra> but my galaxy tab 10.1 seems ok
Jun 11 20:58:42 <jasta> good thing it was selected for the first android tablet, right?
Jun 11 20:58:42 <ctate> i am so sorry
Jun 11 20:59:01 <ctate> jasta: it was in the process of bringing up the Xoom that we discovered just how badly the paper specs lied
Jun 11 20:59:05 <ctate> and how broken everything else was
Jun 11 20:59:12 <ctate> what a lovely experience that project was
Jun 11 20:59:26 <jasta> could not have been foreseen?
Jun 11 20:59:58 <sausage2> Hi could someone say just anything about javadev on android? Since I know nothing about it. How does it differ from i.e. developing something for a PC?
Jun 11 21:00:24 <ctate> jasta: what, that the cpu would have those particular bugs?
Jun 11 21:00:31 <jasta> sausage2: whole different ballgame friend.
Jun 11 21:00:37 <MDijkstra> sausage2: different API's, largely
Jun 11 21:00:43 <ctate> or that it would not perform according to the manufacturer's published specs?
Jun 11 21:00:51 <g00s> sausage2: also, read up on mobile UI design
Jun 11 21:00:52 <MDijkstra> sausage2: the basic stuff is the same, but no swing/awt
Jun 11 21:00:57 <jasta> ctate: i was asking you, were they issues that could not have been vetted out during hardware selection?
Jun 11 21:01:11 <ctate> almost all of the issues could not have been vetted out
Jun 11 21:01:24 <Jabo> sausage2: it's closer to Java for desktop than any other type of Java (J2ME etc)
Jun 11 21:01:28 <ctate> so we went in thinking okay, there are a few issues that we'll work out how to deal with
Jun 11 21:01:34 <ctate> and then discovered that everything was broken
Jun 11 21:01:43 <Jabo> sausage2: it doesn't run on Java VM, it runs on Dalvik VM
Jun 11 21:01:44 <jasta> Jabo: that's a very misleading way of presenting it...
Jun 11 21:01:58 <jasta> the JRE differences are the least of your worries ;)
Jun 11 21:02:07 <jasta> the JDK too, for the most part.
Jun 11 21:02:11 <MDijkstra> dalvik/jre is irrelevant for application-level developers
Jun 11 21:02:12 <alankila> j2se6 and dalvik are quite compatible apart from some missing packages
Jun 11 21:02:26 <sausage2> Jabo: thanks. And thanks you others. That got me some startingpoints.
Jun 11 21:02:41 <ctate> hell, there's stuff on Android that is mysteriously missing from (some) desktop Java deployments.  :p
Jun 11 21:03:03 <ctate> (i'm looking at you AES/CBC!)
Jun 11 21:03:24 <MDijkstra> still, I kind of understand this hardware rage (I used to work on CM for the original motorola droid :P), but my galaxy tab 10.1 running ICS works pretty well
Jun 11 21:03:38 <sausage2> So, you're not running stuff closer to the hardware as with the terrible iPhone that runs applications compiled of objective-c code?
Jun 11 21:04:02 <ctate> you *can* write code in asm if you want
Jun 11 21:04:05 <sausage2> not all "apps" on android is javabased, I suppose?
Jun 11 21:04:06 <alankila> sausage2: none of us are close to hardware unless you are a kernel programmer, and sometimes not even then
Jun 11 21:04:11 <ctate> with just enough java-language glue to tie into the application model
Jun 11 21:04:44 <Jabo> sausage2: want a good PDF to read?
Jun 11 21:04:47 <sausage2> what if you want to write some high-end software? Like really high performing renderers?
Jun 11 21:04:49 <ctate> but unless you're porting a game you probably have no reason to do so
Jun 11 21:04:50 <sausage2> Jabo: sure
Jun 11 21:05:07 <MDijkstra> sausage2: you use the NDK: asm, C, whatever you want
Jun 11 21:05:10 <sausage2> Doesnt java apps use more battery?
Jun 11 21:05:10 <alankila> sausage2: sounds like opengl and glsl time
Jun 11 21:05:19 <ctate> sausage2: no
Jun 11 21:05:45 <sausage2> right.. bytecode --> binarycode --> execution?
Jun 11 21:05:56 <ctate> frankly, as far as battery use, by far the biggest costs are doing networking (i.e. the radios being active) and just having the screen on
Jun 11 21:06:07 <ctate> actual cpu use pales in comparison
Jun 11 21:06:14 <_Auron_> yeah, radio is the big battery eater
Jun 11 21:06:23 <alankila> although with modern 2 or 4-core phones, maybe cpus could compete with display
Jun 11 21:06:23 <MDijkstra> the screen in my usage tests takes over 60-70% of the battery
Jun 11 21:06:33 <MDijkstra> the day they optimize that I'll be a happy man
Jun 11 21:06:39 <ctate> oh, gpus are pretty power hungry too when they're kept busy
Jun 11 21:06:53 <sausage2> Jabo: my DCC doesnt work well, but I found the file on the net. Thanks!
Jun 11 21:07:00 <ctate> but the radios and screen are still the big ones
Jun 11 21:07:24 <alankila> anyway the java stuff performs at a fraction of C speed, last time I looked it was aronud 1/2 to 1/3 of C performance, or thereabouts
Jun 11 21:07:26 <ctate> sausage2:  there's a tradeoff. you can write C or whatever that is faster than the equivalent code written in java
Jun 11 21:07:27 <Jabo> sausage2: no problem. be sure to watch the screencast of the book too http://marakana.com/techtv/android_bootcamp_screencast_series.html
Jun 11 21:07:29 <alankila> a few simple tests to get a feeling of it
Jun 11 21:07:37 <MDijkstra> right now on my gnex it's about 55% screen, 45% rest
Jun 11 21:07:50 <ctate> but on the other hand the java-language version will be a much smaller binary
Jun 11 21:07:51 <alankila> or was it 1/3 to 1/4. It's not *horrible*, and tends to get better with time as the dalvik system is improved.
Jun 11 21:08:14 <ctate> alankila: it's much better than that for code that has been jitted
Jun 11 21:08:15 <MDijkstra> (and about 15% radio)
Jun 11 21:08:19 <alankila> of course I did not run any comprehensive test suites, just some integer and floating point number crunching for which I happened to have
Jun 11 21:08:32 <ctate> small code size directly translates into lower memory usage, too, which matters on phones
Jun 11 21:08:37 <alankila> ctate: nah, not even desktop java can beat C with the complex JIT and all the tricks it does
Jun 11 21:08:50 <alankila> ctate: that sets the level of what to expect from dalvik -- desktop java runs at about 1/2 the speed of C most of the time
Jun 11 21:08:54 <ctate> alankila: the java git implementation is faster than the C version at present
Jun 11 21:09:02 <ctate> and the maintainers are furiously trying to beat one another
Jun 11 21:09:05 <Jabo> it won't matter as much as memory sizes continue to increase
Jun 11 21:09:17 <MDijkstra> dram costs power
Jun 11 21:09:22 <ctate> Jabo: it will continue to matter for the forseeable future
Jun 11 21:09:23 <alankila> ctate: yes, some programs are beter than others. But looking at broad processing jobs, java loses and roughly by factor of 2.
Jun 11 21:09:42 <ctate> Jabo: *especially* for graphics-intensive usages
Jun 11 21:09:47 <MDijkstra> ie, you have to refresh the memory constantly, which costs a fair amount of power
Jun 11 21:09:58 <Jabo> of course in that area
Jun 11 21:10:04 <alankila> I gladly pay the java performance hit for crash safety and worryless application writing.
Jun 11 21:10:23 <sausage2> I have an iPhone, but solely because I got it for free. It's not really a phone to develop your own apps for. You're restricted in a lot of ways and I had to jailbreak it in order to anything at all with the phone.
Jun 11 21:10:25 <ctate> Jabo: "graphics-intensive" includes some non-obvious areas, though
Jun 11 21:10:26 <alankila> a lot of it is all about checking bounds for arrays and not being able to use SSE as well as GCC does, and that sort of things.
Jun 11 21:10:28 <MDijkstra> as long as the underlying framework is fast it hardly matters
Jun 11 21:10:32 <ctate> like scrolling through a webpage in the browser
Jun 11 21:10:38 <MDijkstra> it's not like iOS is that snappy
Jun 11 21:10:45 <ctate> alankila: bwahahahaa "as well as GCC does"  :)
Jun 11 21:10:53 <ctate> gcc is a *lousy* compiler
Jun 11 21:10:54 <alankila> ctate: whatever, it's still much better.
Jun 11 21:11:10 <ctate> i'll be really glad when clang finally replaces it
Jun 11 21:11:12 <alankila> java is totally dumb about complex instruction sets, unfortunately
Jun 11 21:11:25 <alankila> and clang is currently not even beating gcc in benchmarks last time I looked which wasn't long ago
Jun 11 21:11:31 <MDijkstra> renderscript compute ;)
Jun 11 21:11:32 <alankila> compiles much faster though, so I expect it will
Jun 11 21:11:44 <ctate> apple's moving clang along very nicely; they care a lot about code quality there
Jun 11 21:11:45 <Gumboot> hilight!
Jun 11 21:11:49 <Gumboot> Keep talking...
Jun 11 21:12:00 <alankila> because clang is simple and clean and not sophisticated, whereas gcc is mess of shite and expensive optimization steps and it still doesn't generate the best imaginable results.
Jun 11 21:12:12 <alankila> and I'm talking about the optimization stuff here by "not sophisticated"
Jun 11 21:12:16 <MDijkstra> gcc carries 20 years of legacy crap with it
Jun 11 21:12:24 <MDijkstra> I've ported binutils/gcc to a new platform
Jun 11 21:12:27 <MDijkstra> not a fun experience
Jun 11 21:12:31 <alankila> I expect clang to overtake gcc reliably in year or two
Jun 11 21:12:46 <birbeck> anyone know why the dismiss and cancel callbacks are not being called on this dialogfragment? http://pastebin.com/UUrN5m1J
Jun 11 21:12:49 <ctate> if by "legacy crap" you mean "assumptions about the cpu model that only hold for the MC68k series that it was bootstrapped on"  :)
Jun 11 21:13:30 <ctate> i mean, gcc is pretty much just adequate even on x86 where it's had almost all the work over the last decade; on ARM it's miserable
Jun 11 21:13:38 <Gumboot> ctate: small code size fails to make memory usage less when it's small because it lacks the complexity to shuffle its working set size efficiently.
Jun 11 21:13:40 <alankila> I've seen gcc to generate some fairly great code though... but on x86-64 mostly
Jun 11 21:13:47 <MDijkstra> but in general, for UI stuff, the choice between something like C++ and Java is hardly going to matter
Jun 11 21:13:54 <ctate> Gumboot: pages are pages, though
Jun 11 21:13:58 <alankila> constant propagation and dead code elimination that reduce complex generic functions to the simplest imaginable versions, just like human had written it
Jun 11 21:14:00 <MDijkstra> for all the CPU-intensive stuff you call into the native bits of the android framework anyway
Jun 11 21:14:20 <ctate> Gumboot: if you've got 3 megs of executable in your working set rather than 1, that does in fact make a difference.
Jun 11 21:14:49 <mcurran> Anyone here know about unlocking the bootloader to the Motorola Triumph?
Jun 11 21:14:56 <Gumboot> ctate: Yeah, but you can write complicated code which operates on compressed data, or simple code which needs uncompressed data.
Jun 11 21:15:03 <Gumboot> Bigger code, less memory use.
Jun 11 21:15:05 <MDijkstra> the rest is just a simple event loop for most apps
Jun 11 21:15:11 <YBinnenweg> Guys, how would you suggest I send String data from 1 activity to another?
Jun 11 21:15:12 * ctate points mcurran at the topic where it says "Root/custom ROMs, head to #android-root"
Jun 11 21:15:21 <MDijkstra> YBinnenweg: putExtra()
Jun 11 21:15:27 <MDijkstra> *Intent.putExtra
Jun 11 21:15:30 <mcurran> okay thanks.
Jun 11 21:15:39 <YBinnenweg> okay, will use google for documentation :)
Jun 11 21:16:41 <MDijkstra> it's also not like objective c is that fast with its 'everything is virtual' philosophy
Jun 11 21:17:10 <Gumboot> ctate: I've had a couple of successes with gcc using NEON intrinsics on linaro's 4.7.1.
Jun 11 21:17:32 <mcurran> Right now I'm looking to go through the long strenuous process of updating my PRL for Sprint/Virgin Mobile, so I'm creating a VM of XP just to do so, is it worth the effort if I'm using 3G and GrooveIP for all my calls.
Jun 11 21:17:35 <Gumboot> Also, some spectacular failures, but I can hand those directly to the people responsible for working on it, so I get good turnaround.
Jun 11 21:17:38 <MDijkstra> I generally don't expect compilers to optimize vector code
Jun 11 21:17:47 <MDijkstra> just make it explicit using LAPACK or something
Jun 11 21:17:57 <MDijkstra> (then again, most of the vector code I write is scientific)
Jun 11 21:18:05 <Gumboot> .. yeah, I was going to say.
Jun 11 21:18:16 <Gumboot> Libraries like that don't really open up effective use of SIMD.
Jun 11 21:18:27 <ctate> MDijkstra: intel's vtune package compilers are pretty good at it
Jun 11 21:18:43 <MDijkstra> it depends on what you're trying to do I guess
Jun 11 21:18:46 <ctate> plus of course there are compilers expressly intended for vectorizing etc
Jun 11 21:19:17 <MDijkstra> yeah, I've been looking at CUDA
Jun 11 21:20:26 <alankila> yeah vector ops are hard to determine from non-vector input, sadly... Difficult to infer by the compiler, require manual drudgery from programmer to write... However with vector types everything is simple and pretty.
Jun 11 21:21:10 <Gumboot> In my experience, the very thought of trying to get a compiler to autovectorise suggests that the problem has not been analysed deeply enough to find the _real_ optimisations.
Jun 11 21:21:39 <alankila> there's something to be said about writing the actual algorithm you are executing and let compiler worry out how to execute it rather than say writing arithmetics that produce results like calculating with complex type would.
Jun 11 21:21:52 <alankila> easier just to have complex type to begin with
Jun 11 21:22:27 <Gumboot> Well, at the outset you're serialising the problem, which is not the purest expression of the algorithm.
Jun 11 21:22:39 <ctate> so work in Matlab :)
Jun 11 21:22:42 <Gumboot> That serialisation is the beginning of the problem.  It has constraints which aren't real.
Jun 11 21:22:52 <MDijkstra> numpy ;)
Jun 11 21:23:16 <alankila> indeed, I did not think about it as serializing but rather like unrolling, or being a human compiler for the dumb compiler
Jun 11 21:23:50 <badfish129> can anyone help me with some ndk toolchain stuff?
Jun 11 21:24:18 <Gumboot> Without wanting to sound like I'm smoking something I shouldn't, the literal meaning of the word "program" is a bad start to solving the problem.
Jun 11 21:25:26 <Gumboot> I always felt verilog was a bit wrong-headed in that sense, because while you're trying to express a lot of concurrent logic, the language tries to make you express it as a serialisation.
Jun 11 21:25:33 <anwarhahj> hi allverybody
Jun 11 21:25:49 <Gumboot> Which, to be fair, is more or less a limitation of the way humans reason.
Jun 11 21:26:09 <ctate> We disagree.  ;)
Jun 11 21:26:42 <Gumboot> Someone sent me an email, today, containing a quote ..umm...
Jun 11 21:26:43 * Gumboot digs
Jun 11 21:27:05 <Gumboot> "We think space and time are important because that's the kind of monkeys we are."
Jun 11 21:27:19 <Gumboot> Regarding some quantum coupling business.
Jun 11 21:27:33 <Gumboot> err.
Jun 11 21:27:35 <Gumboot> entanglement.
Jun 11 21:27:50 <MDijkstra> Gumboot: you don't have to express it as a serialization
Jun 11 21:27:55 <MDijkstra> ie, haskell ;)
Jun 11 21:28:53 <Gumboot> I think I accept that.
Jun 11 21:29:18 <harpal> I would like to play video in webview, I had referred http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4989738/how-to-play-a-video-in-a-webview-with-android link, but if my html has video tag then its not displaying anything
Jun 11 21:29:26 <Gumboot> OK, I have to accept it, because I have to go.
Jun 11 21:29:30 * Gumboot goes
Jun 11 21:30:24 <MDijkstra> harpal: any errors? stick a log.d in every of those callback methods
Jun 11 21:30:32 <MDijkstra> and look at when the messages stop
Jun 11 21:30:55 <ctate> i still don't think anybody actually programs in Haskell.  It's all a sophisticated ruse.
Jun 11 21:30:56 <harpal> MDijkstra: ok. checking that
Jun 11 21:31:35 <readme> ctate: well -- probably no one who uses windows as their primary OS anyway
Jun 11 21:31:58 <MDijkstra> I've been reading a haskell book, but it's difficult to become productive in it
Jun 11 21:32:30 <MDijkstra> and I still don't really 'get' most of the advanced concepts
Jun 11 21:32:46 <anwarhahj> I have a quick question about a NullPointerException I get using LocalBroadcastManager (android.support.v4.content.LocalBroadcastManager)
Jun 11 21:32:50 <readme> xmonad
Jun 11 21:32:57 <anwarhahj> because I saw some conflicting things about this
Jun 11 21:33:39 <readme> http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html
Jun 11 21:33:47 <MDijkstra> lol, was waiting for that
Jun 11 21:33:50 <ctate> ha ha ha
Jun 11 21:34:00 <anwarhahj> namely, when I register receievers in a main app, is it BETTER to do it in the onResume method, or the onCreate method?
Jun 11 21:34:06 <ctate> they've discovered that Monad is actually an extraterrestrial intelligence
Jun 11 21:34:14 <anwarhahj> *in an activity not in a main app
Jun 11 21:34:15 <ctate> with a personality remarkably similar to that of Beavis
Jun 11 21:35:02 <MDijkstra> "That, or it was an off-by-1 error not detectable by our type system," Van Der Linde added. "But we don't, uh, like to dwell on, I mean with good unit testing practices we can, um... sorry, I need to get some water."
Jun 11 21:35:06 * MDijkstra laughs
Jun 11 21:36:12 <anwarhahj> i guess i'll just go for the old try it both ways and see what happens
Jun 11 21:36:40 <g00s> romainguy: is this idiom going to become popular within google ? http://www.androiduipatterns.com/2012/06/emerging-ui-pattern-side-navigation.html
Jun 11 21:36:50 <MDijkstra> anwarhahj: it depends, I guess
Jun 11 21:36:52 <g00s> i think only the google+ has it now ?
Jun 11 21:37:09 <MDijkstra> anwarhahj: but generally you register onResume and unregister onPause
Jun 11 21:40:32 <YBinnenweg> MDijkstra, I've searched on Google, but I can't seem to figure it out
Jun 11 21:40:34 <QubeZ> i always did it onStart / onStop
Jun 11 21:40:37 <YBinnenweg> Could you please help me?
Jun 11 21:40:48 <MDijkstra> YBinnenweg: what are you trying to do exactly?
Jun 11 21:41:10 <YBinnenweg> I'm getting a string using JSON
Jun 11 21:41:13 <YBinnenweg> String Title = e.getString("short_snippet");
Jun 11 21:41:21 <YBinnenweg> and I want to send that string to another class
Jun 11 21:44:52 <MDijkstra> YBinnenweg: generally, you would do something like
Jun 11 21:45:56 <MDijkstra> Intent i=new Intent(this, AnotherActivity.class);
Jun 11 21:46:06 <MDijkstra> i.putExtra("title", title);
Jun 11 21:46:10 <MDijkstra> startActivity(i);
Jun 11 21:46:50 <MDijkstra> then, from AnotherActivity, you can do:
Jun 11 21:48:02 <MDijkstra> String title=(this.getIntent().getExtras().getString("title");
Jun 11 21:48:12 <MDijkstra> minus the first '('
Jun 11 21:48:16 <ctate> String titleArg = getIntent().getStringExtra("title");
Jun 11 21:48:17 <ctate> no?
Jun 11 21:48:21 <ctate> no need to getExtras() and all that.
Jun 11 21:48:25 <MDijkstra> yeah, true
Jun 11 21:48:35 <ctate> also no need for "this."
Jun 11 21:48:47 <MDijkstra> also true :p
Jun 11 21:48:49 <ctate> other than pedantry, though i'm usually a big fan of that :)
Jun 11 21:49:04 <YBinnenweg> so if I want to send my string "Title" it would be i.putExtra("Title", title);
Jun 11 21:49:35 <MDijkstra> well, if your variable is called Title you should do i.putExtra("title", Title);
Jun 11 21:50:00 <MDijkstra> local variables names should be specified in camelCaseThough
Jun 11 21:50:07 <ctate> well
Jun 11 21:50:17 <ctate> pick a coding style taht is useful to you :)
Jun 11 21:50:31 <ctate> camelCase for local variable names is a pretty common one
Jun 11 21:50:48 <harpal> MDijkstra: its not going inside from if (mCustomViewContainer.getFocusedChild() instanceof VideoView) condition. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4989738/how-to-play-a-video-in-a-webview-with-android
Jun 11 21:50:51 <MDijkstra> indeed, I actually prefer ClOwNcAsE for most of my code
Jun 11 21:51:34 <ctate> YBinnenweg: the method on Intent is putExtra(name, value);
Jun 11 21:52:09 <ctate> MDijkstra is suggesting that you decide on a name for the title field; maybe something liek "title" or "title_arg" or whatever
Jun 11 21:52:25 <ctate> then it's i.putExtra("title_arg", "This is the title");
Jun 11 21:52:51 <ctate> and then the recipient reads that back out as String t = getIntent().getStringExtra("title_arg");
Jun 11 21:53:01 <ctate> after which t is "This is the title"
Jun 11 21:53:28 <YBinnenweg> okay
Jun 11 21:53:59 <ctate> doesn't matter what name you pick to store the string under, as long as you use the same name when reading it out :)
Jun 11 21:55:12 <YBinnenweg> :)
Jun 11 21:59:58 <QubeZ> 22k more to go and i'll shave 100k off my apk
Jun 11 22:01:26 <YBinnenweg> oh mai, my app starts again
Jun 11 22:01:34 <YBinnenweg> doesn't show data so far :P but it doesn't FC
Jun 11 22:01:48 <harpal> I am getting Unknown chromium error: -6 in my logcat  when I try to load html5 in my webview
Jun 11 22:03:06 <kakazza> QubeZ: What's your app?
Jun 11 22:03:17 <QubeZ> kakazza: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.controlledsenility.android.todomapr
Jun 11 22:04:21 <ctate> harpal: huh.  what device is that?
Jun 11 22:05:19 <harpal> ctate: I have 7" tablet with ICS,
Jun 11 22:07:38 <ctate> i think that's the http stack, not html per se
Jun 11 22:11:42 <harpal> ctate: you mean the error is not for html? I am loading page from sdcard.
Jun 11 22:12:05 <ctate> huh, curious.
Jun 11 22:29:38 <frogtimer> is there a programmer will help me about data mining?
Jun 11 22:29:38 <frogtimer> it will take half an hour and you will be paid
Jun 11 22:30:14 * ctate points to the channel topic where it says "Please don't advertise websites, jobs, or contracts"
Jun 11 22:35:50 <evancharlton> wow, um, slow day in here?
Jun 11 22:36:04 <canadiancow|work> iknorite
Jun 11 22:36:06 <canadiancow|work> ohai evancharlton
Jun 11 22:36:14 <canadiancow|work> and obai
Jun 11 22:36:37 <g00s> i think the intertubes are flooded with apple stuff
Jun 11 22:38:13 <g00s> cool, xcode just got an update :)
Jun 11 22:39:55 <Mavvok> is it possible to change a view from TextView to ImageView at runtime?
Jun 11 22:40:32 <g00s> Mavvok: you can remove the view from its parent and substitute what you want
Jun 11 22:41:31 <QubeZ> g00s: nice, looking for the update now
Jun 11 22:41:36 <g00s> or you can have both, and toggle their gone / shown status
Jun 11 22:42:02 <g00s> QubeZ: got mine from MAS
Jun 11 22:42:10 <QubeZ> MAS?
Jun 11 22:42:13 <g00s> mac app store
Jun 11 22:42:31 <QubeZ> oh, yea I installed 4.3.2 from MAS too... so any updates should come through there as well now
Jun 11 22:43:04 <g00s> i wonder if the next mac os will have a proper package manager :|
Jun 11 22:43:51 <QubeZ> fink or ports hehe
Jun 11 22:44:09 <QubeZ> apple updates are so infrequent... the current Software Update method suffices no?
Jun 11 22:44:13 <QubeZ> or do you mean MAS?
Jun 11 22:44:24 <ctate> he wants apt-get
Jun 11 22:44:29 <ctate> because he hates humanity
Jun 11 22:44:30 <g00s> it seems so hokey. like xcode itself manages some components like the CLI tools
Jun 11 22:44:47 <Bryan__K> why does the paint() method seem to run automatically without main() invoking it?
Jun 11 22:45:47 <g00s> ctate: you don't like the debian package manager? or rpm / yum, same difference to me
Jun 11 22:46:04 <g00s> it just seems mac pkgutils is retarded
Jun 11 22:47:25 <ctate> Macs handle software quite well
Jun 11 22:48:00 <g00s> yeah, in general. things are nice little bundles
Jun 11 22:48:02 <ctate> drag to teh apps folder to install
Jun 11 22:48:02 <ctate> drag to the trash to uninstall
Jun 11 22:48:02 <ctate> done :)
Jun 11 22:48:13 <alankila> and then spend 5 minutes randomly deleting leftover files
Jun 11 22:48:21 <g00s> ctate: yeah, thats why there is appcleaner
Jun 11 22:48:21 <alankila> kernel extensions, launchctl scripts, useless pkgutil receipts
Jun 11 22:48:47 <g00s> i highly recommend this http://www.freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/
Jun 11 22:48:56 <alankila> apple's theory is nice but the applications aren't actually properly contained in the bundles
Jun 11 22:48:59 <alankila> so boo
Jun 11 22:49:28 <g00s> most of the 'general' 3rd party apps i have gotten are decent, except umm .. adobe shit
Jun 11 22:49:44 <g00s> some apple things spew crap all over the place, like a java se update
Jun 11 22:49:48 <alankila> I'll probably get a new macbook air soon
Jun 11 22:50:19 <alankila> I think I'll try to do a clean reinstall of the system to ensure that things start from known state again
Jun 11 22:50:29 <g00s> alankila: i always do that
Jun 11 22:50:34 <QubeZ> i just bought my wife and sister the air's... nice laptop
Jun 11 22:50:35 * g00s is paranoid
Jun 11 22:50:40 <QubeZ> getting a pro for myself soon
Jun 11 22:51:09 <alankila> have to think about specs a bit though... 4 GB, 8 GB, screen size, etc. blah
Jun 11 22:51:25 <QubeZ> im def going SSD though
Jun 11 22:51:33 <g00s> i would get the 8g if you can. 15" if you plan on using the screen
Jun 11 22:51:46 <QubeZ> ya 8g 15"
Jun 11 22:51:52 <alankila> I already have SSD in another macbook... 256 GB one even. I'd like to transfer that to some cheaper 11" with more ram and cpu maybe. or 13" one.
Jun 11 22:51:52 <g00s> if you are using xcode, more memory is important
Jun 11 22:52:04 <QubeZ> my current one is 15" and I have (2) 22" widescreen monitors off it for total 3 displays
Jun 11 22:52:07 <QubeZ> great dev setup
Jun 11 22:52:11 <g00s> :O
Jun 11 22:52:15 <alankila> 15" is just getting too unwieldy, I like using the device anywhere
Jun 11 22:52:34 <QubeZ> 15 is decent alankila
Jun 11 22:52:38 <alankila> 11" would be even better as I like the idea that it's a simple, inconsequential-seeming device yet it packs a complete development environment and capability to run several virtual machines at once
Jun 11 22:52:43 <g00s> alankila: eclipse on 13" has to suck
Jun 11 22:52:44 <QubeZ> portable.. especially the air since its so light
Jun 11 22:53:05 <g00s> maybe thats a bad assumption, that you are using eclipse.
Jun 11 22:53:12 <alankila> I use eclipse on 13". But hey, my previous laptops had even less pixels than 1400x900
Jun 11 22:53:29 <alankila> the problem is best resolved by using fullscreen mode and small fonts, or something.
Jun 11 22:53:33 <robb_www> 21"+24"+21"
Jun 11 22:53:48 <alankila> after all, eclipse has like 50 % of screen real estate of useless chrome, especially at small resolutions
Jun 11 22:54:32 <alankila> all the gunk they put in, mostly useless, or could be better presented inline in the editor or project explorer.
Jun 11 22:54:33 <g00s> alankila: yeah, the eclipse fullscreen extension works pretty well
Jun 11 22:54:42 <g00s> should be built in sometime soon
Jun 11 22:54:48 <alankila> indeed
Jun 11 22:54:54 <alankila> the patch went in some eclipse development version
Jun 11 22:55:09 <alankila> I've been tracking fullscreen capabilities as I mostly use fullscreen applications
Jun 11 22:55:25 <alankila> (so yes, I have different working style from other people, I guess.)
Jun 11 22:55:37 <jfrantz> how do you cross-compile a native program (very simple program) to android?  i'm trying to use the one in the NDK but i get:
Jun 11 22:55:38 <jfrantz> helloworld.cpp:2:20: error: iostream: No such file or directory
Jun 11 22:55:43 <robb_www> you like to single-task
Jun 11 22:55:55 <alankila> jfrantz: you probably need the APP_STL=something thing
Jun 11 22:56:22 <alankila> robb_www: indeed I do.
Jun 11 22:56:35 <jfrantz> alankilla: i'm not using Android.mk files, i'm trying to use the toolchain with android's g++
Jun 11 22:57:09 <alankila> start using them ten
Jun 11 22:57:13 <alankila> you're supposed to
Jun 11 22:57:56 <jfrantz> alankila: i'm doing this to start out because i need to build with an existing project which builds with a SCons file
Jun 11 22:58:23 <alankila> it sounds like a losing battle, but perhaps it is possible. I'm afraid you're on your own, I'm not truly familiar with the way ndk is put together.
Jun 11 22:58:32 <jfrantz> ok thanks
Jun 11 22:58:33 <frogtime> i have a calculator application that i didn't code and i have some problems about understanding how it works
Jun 11 22:58:48 <frogtime> is there anyone free 5 mins of time now?
Jun 11 23:01:04 <alankila> pity that linux chromium is doing such a poor job at fullscreen. on os x if you focus the location field, the chrome scrolls visible from top and you can use it, then it fades away when you defocus or move mouse away. It works nearly always and allows fullscreen usage comfortably
Jun 11 23:01:21 <alankila> on linux you can't see or interact with the location field at all, it seems, during fullscreen
Jun 11 23:04:00 <g00s> i'm waiting for google earth to have fullscreen on mac
Jun 11 23:04:09 <g00s> well, it would be nice if it didn't crash every time i used it too
Jun 11 23:06:24 <kakazza> What fullscreen extension? For Lion Fullscreen?
Jun 11 23:07:01 <g00s> kaka, yeah http://alblue.bandlem.com/2011/07/full-screen-support-for-eclipse-on-osx.html
Jun 11 23:08:37 <shutin> do Extras have to be Strings? I am trying really hard to pass an integer between two activities. one makes it, the other doesn't.
Jun 11 23:11:00 <wongk-home> shutin: extras can be almost anything
Jun 11 23:11:22 <kakazza> g00s, thanks. Does it handle multiple monitors well? So far, Parallels is the only App I have that handles more than one monitor well in FullScreen mode.
Jun 11 23:11:30 <kakazza> As in, it doesn't make the second one useless
Jun 11 23:13:55 <robb_www> afaik extras have to be serializable
Jun 11 23:14:48 <evancharlton> parcelable
Jun 11 23:15:16 <shutin> ack. I was doing extras.getString() on an int.
Jun 11 23:17:27 <robb_www> Parcelable looks almost exactly like Externalizable, differences?
Jun 11 23:18:05 <shutin> in some ways Java seems less forgiving than C# when it comes to being strongly typed. most of my sloppy mismatched i could have caught at compile time in c# vs having to debug for them in Java
Jun 11 23:18:20 <shutin> Anyone know a good book for learning the ins and outs of Eclipse?
Jun 11 23:22:46 <robb_www> heh, Parcelable is slower than Externalizable, interesting considering it doesnt seem to provide anything new, a few sources suggest its designed for IPC
Jun 11 23:23:39 <robb_www> ah misread, its as-fast but avoids the compatability issues
Jun 11 23:29:08 <mgj> robb_www, where are you reading that? I thought parcelable was actually faster
Jun 11 23:36:41 <sausage2> do android users only consist of 9% of the market?
Jun 11 23:36:56 <sausage2> compared to iOS, blackberry, Symbian and 2-3 more
Jun 11 23:40:20 <readme> no
Jun 11 23:40:28 <readme> android is the majority of the market
Jun 11 23:40:53 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Jun 11 23:41:01 <wongk-home> i don't think they're the majority, they are the largest segment, though
Jun 11 23:41:16 <Jug6ernaut> how can u be one without the other?
Jun 11 23:41:28 <wongk-home> the majority implies > 50% market share
Jun 11 23:41:44 <readme> I did not know that.
Jun 11 23:41:46 <Jug6ernaut> no
Jun 11 23:41:48 <readme> Thanks wongk-mba
Jun 11 23:41:57 <Jug6ernaut> majority means largest %
Jun 11 23:42:05 <wongk-home> "A majority is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements."
Jun 11 23:42:11 <readme> Jug6ernaut: wongk has an mba
Jun 11 23:42:15 <readme> he knows his shit
Jun 11 23:42:17 <wongk-home> heh
Jun 11 23:42:32 <wongk-home> readme is my personal champion ;)
Jun 11 23:42:38 <wongk-home> lol
Jun 11 23:42:44 <readme> wongk-home: you're not the only MBA who calls me that
Jun 11 23:42:52 <Jug6ernaut> YEA
Jun 11 23:42:55 <wongk-home> hah
Jun 11 23:43:02 <Jug6ernaut> is there anyway to use MultiChoiceModeListener with ABS?
Jun 11 23:44:02 <readme> More significantly for Android, IDC predicts Android will reach its peak market share amongst smartphone Android operating systems this year, topping out at 61 percent of the global market
Jun 11 23:44:12 <readme> it's predicted that android will peak at 60% market hsare
Jun 11 23:44:17 <readme> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/is-androids-market-share-peaking/
Jun 11 23:46:24 <wongk-home> readme: that'
Jun 11 23:46:33 <wongk-home> s the exact article i was just reading
Jun 11 23:46:56 <wongk-home> so android is project to become the majority, if it is not already
Jun 11 23:47:39 <wongk-home> anyway, time to cook dinner
Jun 12 00:05:40 <WogerWabbit> can i make an app and lock it to my customer's devices only?
Jun 12 00:06:07 <WogerWabbit> say i build an app, then wish for it to only run on specific devices (not device models, but actual bought devices)
Jun 12 00:06:14 <WogerWabbit> what options do i have?
Jun 12 00:07:19 <WogerWabbit> any gurus alive to help with this question?
Jun 12 00:16:11 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: include a check for the build fingerprint
Jun 12 00:17:05 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: ahh, ok, will look into this
Jun 12 00:17:37 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: docs say "Do not attempt to parse this value"
Jun 12 00:17:56 <evancharlton> don't
Jun 12 00:17:58 <WogerWabbit> the build fingerprint, is that for the hardware, or the software build?
Jun 12 00:18:15 <evancharlton> software, which is built for the hardware
Jun 12 00:18:38 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: I should warn you in advance that this idea (locking to hardware) is stupid
Jun 12 00:18:46 <evancharlton> so any answer you get will transitively be stupid
Jun 12 00:18:50 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: yeah, i don't know about stupid; client wants it, so
Jun 12 00:19:35 <evancharlton> I didn't say it was impossible, but it will be stupid
Jun 12 00:19:48 <evancharlton> and if you have a compelling enough app, it will be defeated, and your client will blame you
Jun 12 00:19:53 <WogerWabbit> please excuse my ignorance, but if i shouldn't parse the fingerprint, then how will i use it to lock an app to specific devices (again, not device models, but actual individual devices)
Jun 12 00:19:55 <evancharlton> down this road lies misery and defeat
Jun 12 00:20:08 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: no, he knows the risks
Jun 12 00:20:09 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: don't parse it, but you can compare it
Jun 12 00:20:32 <evancharlton> if Build.VERSION.FINGERPRINT != WHITELISTED_FINGERPRINT then finish()
Jun 12 00:20:32 <WogerWabbit> this is the template for the string, suggested to follow: $(BRAND)/$(PRODUCT)/$(DEVICE)/$(BOARD):$(VERSION.RELEASE)/$(ID)/$(VERSION.INCREMENTAL):$(TYPE)/$(TAGS)
Jun 12 00:20:39 <WogerWabbit> so i have to parse that to get the components
Jun 12 00:20:48 <evancharlton> no
Jun 12 00:20:58 <evancharlton> you don't care about the components
Jun 12 00:21:15 <evancharlton> if you just want hardware, you can get that from android.os.Build
Jun 12 00:21:21 <evancharlton> (product, device, board, etc)
Jun 12 00:21:52 <WogerWabbit> again, not device model or make, but actual "THIS IS JOHN'S TABLE" and the app will only work on JOHN'S TABLET
Jun 12 00:22:07 <robb_www> mgj, as i posted, parcelable and externalizable look almost identical, i had mis-read when i suggested externalizable is faster
Jun 12 00:22:15 <WogerWabbit> will not work on other tablets like John's tablet
Jun 12 00:22:19 <WogerWabbit> but only John's
Jun 12 00:22:37 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: oh, yikes.
Jun 12 00:22:43 <robb_www> MAC address
Jun 12 00:22:56 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: you could whitelist MACs but that's ... blegh
Jun 12 00:23:01 <WogerWabbit> robb_www: that's fairly reliable yeah, MAC address
Jun 12 00:23:09 <WogerWabbit> yeah blegh, but the whole idea is blegh
Jun 12 00:23:12 <WogerWabbit> :)
Jun 12 00:23:59 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: yeak, pick some MACs (telephony, wifi, bt, whichever one you want) and compare that
Jun 12 00:24:18 <robb_www> matlab authenticates by MAC / volume serial numbers, not sure whats bleugh about it
Jun 12 00:24:44 <WogerWabbit> just used to making things for all device targets, not individual user devices
Jun 12 00:25:25 <WogerWabbit> is there an api call for getting mac address? I know on IOS it is buried and discouraged
Jun 12 00:26:17 <WogerWabbit> i'll take it from any radio, probably wifi (not 3g)
Jun 12 00:26:50 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: WifiInfo#getMacAddress() I think
Jun 12 00:27:23 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: ok, i'll look into it
Jun 12 00:27:45 <WogerWabbit> problem with mac address is that you cannot get it if the wifi is turned off :(
Jun 12 00:28:08 <WogerWabbit> and using mac address is discouraged by Google; http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html
Jun 12 00:28:38 <WogerWabbit> from that article: "ANDROID_ID seems a good choice for a unique device identifier. There are downsides: First, it is not 100% reliable on releases of Android prior to 2.2 (“Froyo”). Also, there has been at least one widely-observed bug in a popular handset from a major manufacturer, where every instance has the same ANDROID_ID."
Jun 12 00:28:59 <WogerWabbit> god i do not miss all this compatibility nonsense…
Jun 12 00:29:39 <WogerWabbit> am still surprised they didn't manage this better, it's like no one on the android team learned from the decade of compatibility hell that was supporting java handsets
Jun 12 00:30:07 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: right, it's discouraged because they don't want people doing exactly what you're trying to do
Jun 12 00:30:14 <robb_www> " Fortunately, doing so is straightforward." eh? they just explained how its a total pain in the arse to do it reliably
Jun 12 00:30:18 <WogerWabbit> despite having legitimate needs
Jun 12 00:30:27 <WogerWabbit> it's not really for android to say whether i want to make private apps or not
Jun 12 00:30:32 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: if an app is like "okay, 0xDEADBEEF is always WogerWabbit" and then you sell your phone ...
Jun 12 00:31:17 <WogerWabbit> yes, with the development, comes strict regulation protocol
Jun 12 00:33:50 <WogerWabbit> looks like there are few options other than mac address, each with caveats
Jun 12 00:33:57 <WogerWabbit> think between all of those, can make something work
Jun 12 00:34:06 <WogerWabbit> thank you evancharlton && robb_www for the help :)
Jun 12 00:35:37 <robb_www> dont mind me, tired & talking nonsense, managed to misread the article myself
Jun 12 00:35:50 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: no problem, and good luck :)
Jun 12 00:35:55 <JesusFreke> WogerWabbit: also, keep in mind that any protections you put in *can* be worked around
Jun 12 00:36:03 <JesusFreke> sometimes fairly easily
Jun 12 00:36:05 <WogerWabbit> yeah, not new to software security
Jun 12 00:36:11 <WogerWabbit> there's ALWAYS a way :)
Jun 12 00:36:22 <WogerWabbit> security in general even
Jun 12 00:36:25 <WogerWabbit> not just software
Jun 12 00:37:12 <JesusFreke> yeah. I'm just saying, it's quite a bit easier when dealing with java/dex bytecode, as opposed to something like a native executable :)
Jun 12 00:37:53 <WogerWabbit> indeed :)
Jun 12 00:37:59 <WogerWabbit> wonder if it worth looking at getAuthToken() (though, do not know if that even applies here)
Jun 12 00:39:40 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: yeah, do you want "only run for John" or "only run on this tablet"?
Jun 12 00:40:17 <WogerWabbit> on this specific tablet (that happens to be John's Tablet) but not other tablets of the same make / model.
Jun 12 00:41:00 <WogerWabbit> Settings.Secure.ANDROID_ID looks promising; granted that value is changed if the device is wiped.
Jun 12 00:41:00 <evancharlton> if John sells it and buys a new tablet, should the app continue to work?
Jun 12 00:41:07 <WogerWabbit> evancharlton: no, that is not a requirement
Jun 12 00:41:14 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: yeah, ANDROID_ID is not what you want
Jun 12 00:41:16 <WogerWabbit> otherwise, would implement user / pass system
Jun 12 00:41:16 <evancharlton> hm
Jun 12 00:41:30 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: yeah, I would say you could/should use the accountmanager system
Jun 12 00:41:42 <WogerWabbit> no? ANDROID_ID is no good? docs say it is a unique 64-bit number constant for the lifetime of the device (until ref lash)
Jun 12 00:41:51 <evancharlton> but if it's gotta be tied to a specific piece of hardware, it looks like you're stuck with mac addresses or similar
Jun 12 00:42:03 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: how do you hardcode that in the binary?
Jun 12 00:42:17 <WogerWabbit> i get the value from the target device, then check for it in the app
Jun 12 00:42:27 <WogerWabbit> heard some popular devices did not implement that id correctly, where all devices had the same
Jun 12 00:42:34 <evancharlton> I guess if you can assume the device's current android ID is what it will be for life, then yeah it should be fine
Jun 12 00:42:35 <WogerWabbit> not sure if that is true on our targets
Jun 12 00:43:02 <evancharlton> WogerWabbit: that was fixed with froyo, I believe (and only a problem with one model by one OEM)
Jun 12 00:43:08 <WogerWabbit> oh good
Jun 12 00:43:10 <WogerWabbit> why not use it then?
Jun 12 00:43:22 <evancharlton> well like I said
Jun 12 00:43:34 <evancharlton> if you can rely on it never changing, then yeah, it's fine to use
Jun 12 00:44:00 <WogerWabbit> someone could hack their device and change it to match the supported device, am sure (like IMEI which we're not supposed to do but can)
Jun 12 00:44:11 <WogerWabbit> but consider that a reasonable risk
Jun 12 00:45:10 <WogerWabbit> with gingerbread came Build.Serial which is supposed to be similarly reliable
Jun 12 00:45:27 <WogerWabbit> esp. on devices with no built-in telephony radio
Jun 12 00:52:55 <readme> the parameterization stuff in asynctask is just a useless mess.
Jun 12 00:52:55 <ctate> i'm late to this but surely someone pointed out http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html
Jun 12 00:53:10 <ctate> which is required reading w.r.t. the concept of device IDs
Jun 12 00:53:35 <ctate> also note taht increasingly even Apple is making it harder / impossible to get a unique hardware ID
Jun 12 00:53:54 * ctate | For those who want to try, the best approach is probably the use of ANDROID_ID on anything reasonably modern, with some fallback heuristics for legacy devices.
Jun 12 00:53:57 <ctate> money quote.
Jun 12 00:53:57 <readme> I suppose its OK.. but meh
Jun 12 00:54:16 <ctate> readme: it's how romainguy was using it when he wrote it :)
Jun 12 00:54:18 <readme> I have abused it so many times
Jun 12 00:54:28 <readme> every time I use it I abuse it ctate
Jun 12 00:55:28 <romainguy_> how do you abuse it?
Jun 12 00:56:22 <ctate> whips. chains. reinterpret_cast.
Jun 12 00:58:25 <readme> romainguy_: by parameterizing stuff that should really be encapsulated as a single object
Jun 12 00:58:46 <readme> I like that the parameters can save writing boilerplate and allow for the swift passing of arguments via execute, though
Jun 12 00:58:54 <readme> I guess I am being a cynic, it's not really AsyncTask that is bad
Jun 12 00:59:02 <readme> it's a lot better than writing your own thread and handler
Jun 12 00:59:26 <romainguy_> "by parameterizing stuff that should really be encapsulated as a single object" < for instance?
Jun 12 00:59:33 <readme> username, password
Jun 12 00:59:33 <evancharlton> I like the parameterization, but I'd love it a lot more if java let you use primitives
Jun 12 01:00:00 <romainguy_> readme: then create a single object :)
Jun 12 01:00:24 <readme> sorry. it's not really async task's fault
Jun 12 01:00:38 <romainguy_> eh, I get your point
Jun 12 01:00:38 <readme> but often I wonder when I would actually make good use of the parameters.
Jun 12 01:00:52 <romainguy_> you can just ignore them
Jun 12 01:01:02 <romainguy_> and use your class' constructor
Jun 12 01:01:09 * readme has a lot of code that llooks like String foo = params[0]; String bar = params[1]; 
Jun 12 01:01:19 <readme> I don't do that anymore though, I swear
Jun 12 01:01:23 <romainguy_> :)
Jun 12 01:01:31 <evancharlton> readme: I don't see that as a _horrible_ abuse
Jun 12 01:01:39 <evancharlton> maybe I've been desensitized by #android-dev
Jun 12 01:02:15 <ctate> heh
Jun 12 01:02:39 <ctate> could be worse; could be an Object[] and you're doing e.g. String foo = (String) params[0]'
Jun 12 01:02:47 <romainguy_> or worse
Jun 12 01:02:52 <romainguy_> it could be an Object
Jun 12 01:03:14 <romainguy_> and then you'd do ((String) ((Object[]) params)[0])
Jun 12 01:03:32 <ctate> and then go to hell.
Jun 12 01:03:34 <birbeck> readme: the asynctask docs clearly give an example
Jun 12 01:03:43 <readme> romainguy_: huh? when did they add lisp to java
Jun 12 01:03:45 <birbeck> readme: when you want to download multiple urls :)
Jun 12 01:03:46 <romainguy_> I should change that example
Jun 12 01:03:56 <readme> birbeck: i never said I didn't know how to do it. i was just ranting
Jun 12 01:04:00 <romainguy_> you really shouldn't use asynctask for long ops like (large) downloads
Jun 12 01:04:05 <birbeck> readme: beyond that, yeah, i cant think of any use case for varargs on asynctask
Jun 12 01:04:18 <readme> oh, it's a use case for the varargs
Jun 12 01:04:26 <readme> I guess if you wanted to pass variable args to a url
Jun 12 01:04:30 <readme> that would be a super use case
Jun 12 01:04:37 <birbeck> heh
Jun 12 01:04:57 <birbeck> i would have had something generate the url by that point
Jun 12 01:05:21 <birbeck> but generally my urls are determined from some service or factory from within the doInBackground()
Jun 12 01:11:13 <readme> anyway it's hard to find stuff to pick on in android
Jun 12 01:11:31 <readme> most of the framework is pretty slick
Jun 12 01:11:46 <ron_frown> I can find plenty to bitch about =)
Jun 12 01:14:12 <evancharlton> readme: it seems like the codename scheme has been getting a lot of teasing lately
Jun 12 01:28:56 <idlemind> I'm looking for help using onSharedPreferenceChangeListener() to refresh a custom listview that is loaded from a XML source based on a "server" value in the preferences. so when "server" is changed i want to update the custom listview. placing the implements onSharedPreferencesChangeListener in the ListActivity i'm trying to modify does nothing but placing it in the SharedPreferences Activity I can't access my ListView to change a
Jun 12 01:28:56 <idlemind> nything
Jun 12 01:34:16 <readme> evancharlton: I think it's cool man. they're alphabetical sweets.. what is to complain about
Jun 12 01:34:18 <nt4cats> idlemind: are you sure the callback is being registered when you put it in your ListActivity?
Jun 12 01:34:35 <idlemind> nt4cats i'm double checking now
Jun 12 01:35:36 <nt4cats> idlemind: ... and don't forget that you need to commit() the changes made via a SharedPreferences.Editor
Jun 12 01:37:12 <evancharlton> readme: who knows; ask the haters
Jun 12 01:37:45 <idlemind> nt4cats you seem to have the right answer i can register it in the sharedpreferences activity but i am not sure how to register it for listactivity any thoughts?
Jun 12 01:38:42 <nt4cats> idlemind: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/SharedPreferences.html#registerOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener(android.content.SharedPreferences.OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener)
Jun 12 01:39:58 <idlemind> nt4cats:     	PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(this).registerOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener(null)?
Jun 12 01:40:40 <nt4cats> is "this" your ListActivity?
Jun 12 01:40:59 <idlemind> yes
Jun 12 01:41:11 <idlemind> calling that from within onResume in the ListActivity
Jun 12 01:41:37 <nt4cats> then you want PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(this).registerOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener(this);
Jun 12 01:41:51 <nt4cats> (same thing you pasted with the last "null" changed to "this")
Jun 12 01:43:17 <nt4cats> Don't forget to unregister in onPause()
Jun 12 01:43:48 <idlemind> nt4cats: yup got the unregister going it's crashing atm. i need to step away for about 10 - 15 mins bb to debug it i probably introduced an error as i was playing with this
Jun 12 01:44:15 <nt4cats> PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(this).registerOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener(this)
Jun 12 01:44:44 <nt4cats> sorry that last one should say: PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(this).unregisterOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener(null)
Jun 12 01:45:09 <nt4cats> Dont call register*Listener() or unregister*Listener() with null arguments.  That makes Android sad.
Jun 12 01:49:44 <g00s> p_l: http://www.designspark.com/content/raspberry-pi-vax-cluster
Jun 12 01:51:02 <ctate> O_O
Jun 12 01:52:51 <g00s> hehe
Jun 12 01:54:04 <ctate> ... plussed.  :)
Jun 12 01:54:16 <ctate> my dad was a long-time vaxhead
Jun 12 02:02:46 <Jeffjs> Hello
Jun 12 02:10:40 <Jeffjs> room is so quite.
Jun 12 02:11:51 <idlemind> nt4cats: thanks i have it entering my onSharedPreferenceChanged function in my ListActivity now to get it to dump all the existing list entries :)
Jun 12 02:12:30 <idlemind> listview lv = getlistview(); lv.clearchoices(); isn't doing it
Jun 12 02:14:43 <p_l> g00s: meanwhile, I'm looking at 13.5" 3840x2160 screens
Jun 12 02:27:00 <lemonade`> it is quite a room isn't it
Jun 12 02:33:37 <c2tarun> Can anyone please tell me how can i change the ringtones. Brightness and other system settings by code.
Jun 12 02:37:56 <Leeds> I'm pretty sure you can't change the global screen brightness from a regular app, and... oh, bye-bye
Jun 12 02:48:19 <napster> I have to show a titlebar in every activity in my application. Can I extend the activity once and set a titlebar there and extend the newly extended ativity further and code what I need in there? Can someone point me some tutorials?
Jun 12 02:50:33 <Jeffjs> I've been google'n for a bit and have found to resolution, I am trying to put a canvas in a layout with a button. sounds basic but is perplexing.
Jun 12 02:51:03 <ctate> Jeffjs: well, you're sort of mixing concepts
Jun 12 02:51:22 <ctate> layouts are composed of views and viewgroups.  buttons are all kinds of views, for example.
Jun 12 02:51:23 <Jeffjs> yes i have figured as much
Jun 12 02:51:49 <ctate> but a canvas is not a view; it's the interface class used *by* views when they want to describe what pixels to draw
Jun 12 02:52:12 <Jeffjs> I see
Jun 12 02:52:46 <ctate> is what you want basically just a big empty rectangle that does some random drawing?  that's a simple custom View class, really.
Jun 12 02:53:27 <Jeffjs> yeh exactly, I've been looking for a tutorial, but I seem to have been wording it wrong
Jun 12 02:53:58 <Jeffjs> and by it I mean my question, of course.
Jun 12 02:57:12 <Jeffjs> okay ctate if i make a custom view to display a bitmap on screen via a canvas, can i add that custom view class to a frame layout of an xml layout?
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