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Jun 16 03:41:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> How do you run something in a thread on the UI thread
Jun 16 03:41:26 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I don't remember how to set that up
Jun 16 03:41:43 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I have a thread, and that thread needs to update the UI, I know you have to put it in a different type of UI thread
Jun 16 03:41:49 <T-Dub|DlolPics> anyone remember how to set that part up
Jun 16 03:42:14 <T-Dub|DlolPics> found it runOnUiThread(new Runnable() {
Jun 16 03:42:15 <T-Dub|DlolPics> :P
Jun 16 04:12:19 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Anyone know how to do animation from inside a static method?
Jun 16 04:33:37 <readme> static methods can do everything an instance method can do
Jun 16 04:33:44 <readme> just pass an instance to it :)
Jun 16 04:33:48 <readme> or return one from it.
Jun 16 04:33:51 <readme> or both.
Jun 16 04:34:39 <readme> obviously you can't access the instance from an inner static class and other things (that's not my point, though)
Jun 16 05:00:05 <canadiancow2> [00:33:38] <readme> static methods can do everything an instance method can do
Jun 16 05:00:09 <canadiancow2> this
Jun 16 05:15:21 <XXCoder> canadiancow2: not really
Jun 16 05:15:34 <XXCoder> static method can't access specific instance stuff
Jun 16 05:16:32 <XXCoder> this will cause error inside static function... this.somefunc();
Jun 16 05:27:05 <readme> XXCoder: just pass the instance as a parameter.
Jun 16 05:27:18 <XXCoder> yeah thats way to do it
Jun 16 05:27:28 <XXCoder> probably good memory savings
Jun 16 05:28:01 <XXCoder> what happens if 2 copies of object call it at once though?
Jun 16 05:28:10 <readme> the advantage isn't really memory, but the ability to reuse methods across multiple classes that all inherit from a common ancestor without resorting to inheritance (composition)
Jun 16 05:29:02 <readme> XXCoder: what do you think happens, and why?
Jun 16 05:29:23 <XXCoder> unsure actually (multithreading and thread-safe functions)
Jun 16 05:29:39 <readme> do you understand the idea of a call stack?
Jun 16 05:29:41 <XXCoder> never used multithreading besides from that convertor
Jun 16 05:30:03 <XXCoder> hmm lemme recall a second
Jun 16 05:31:02 <XXCoder> I remember something about stack of program, as functions is called it is added into stack, with proper info such as pointers for return and stuff
Jun 16 05:31:24 <XXCoder> not sure how much applies to java, im thinking in C now
Jun 16 05:31:25 <readme> inputs go in, the function produces output. unless the function accesses a global or you pass it a reference to some other resource that could be concurrently modified that function is going to be thread safe.
Jun 16 05:31:53 <readme> a function that takes only primitives as parameters and accesses no globals is definitely thread safe, for example
Jun 16 05:32:21 <XXCoder> so even if I have int whatever; and use it inside that function, it is thread safe?
Jun 16 05:32:29 <readme> obviously, it's a COPY
Jun 16 05:32:33 <XXCoder> assuming not static
Jun 16 05:32:38 <JakeWharton> don't copy that floppy
Jun 16 05:32:41 <XXCoder> static vars that is
Jun 16 05:32:51 <readme> XXCoder: primitive function params are copies.
Jun 16 05:32:59 <XXCoder> interesting.
Jun 16 05:33:09 <readme> yep -- 3rd page of java book interesting
Jun 16 05:33:25 <XXCoder> well didnt learn much about java in college
Jun 16 05:33:32 <XXCoder> I learned rest outside
Jun 16 05:33:37 <readme> i never went to college
Jun 16 05:33:45 <readme> take responsibility for your own learning
Jun 16 05:33:51 <XXCoder> indeed
Jun 16 05:33:59 <XXCoder> thats why i have projects and such
Jun 16 05:34:08 <XXCoder> to keep my knowledge alive in some way in least
Jun 16 05:34:10 <readme> you need to supplemnet them with more books
Jun 16 05:34:14 <readme> because you're missing key shit
Jun 16 05:34:35 <JakeWharton> *moar
Jun 16 05:34:37 <XXCoder> yeah bit of issue there. rent is well over 85% of my income lol
Jun 16 05:34:45 <JakeWharton> 86%
Jun 16 05:34:46 <JakeWharton> ?
Jun 16 05:34:58 <JakeWharton> ima stop trolling
Jun 16 05:35:03 <XXCoder> lol
Jun 16 05:35:08 <readme> get the books then you can write code for money instead
Jun 16 05:35:12 <readme> then you won't have this problem
Jun 16 05:35:16 <readme> stay up late if you have to
Jun 16 05:35:35 <XXCoder> yeah im trying to solve couple other life problems, hopefully soon.
Jun 16 05:35:36 <readme> go to the biblioteca
Jun 16 05:35:43 <XXCoder> looking now
Jun 16 05:36:10 <XXCoder> google results is strange
Jun 16 05:36:22 <XXCoder> you meant library?
Jun 16 05:36:30 <readme> que?
Jun 16 05:36:33 <JakeWharton> biblioteca: http://www.hulu.com/watch/97892
Jun 16 05:37:02 <readme> donde esta la biblioteca
Jun 16 05:38:29 <komugi> Me ilamo t-bone la arana discoteca
Jun 16 05:38:47 <XXCoder> libraries around here suck on programming stuff
Jun 16 05:39:06 * readme points to the pirate bay
Jun 16 05:39:12 * JakeWharton points to commonsware
Jun 16 05:39:21 * readme has a safari membership but seriously, if you can't buy a book just download it.
Jun 16 05:39:34 <readme> pay when you are out of hell
Jun 16 05:39:45 <XXCoder> hmm can do i guess
Jun 16 05:40:07 <XXCoder> I used to be pretty kickass programmer in college. im quite rusty now lol
Jun 16 05:40:17 <readme> yeah i'd recommend buying from commonsware too
Jun 16 05:40:28 <Leeds> commonsware++
Jun 16 05:40:28 <readme> if anything just because his answers on SO are more valuable than most books in themselves
Jun 16 05:40:47 <Leeds> I let my safari sub lapse, even though I was grandfathered into a better plan than the current ones
Jun 16 05:40:59 <readme> i let it expire once but I bought a new one
Jun 16 05:41:11 <readme> waiting for some shelf space to clear.. accidentally filled that up
Jun 16 05:41:17 <XXCoder> http://commonsware.com/ looks nice
Jun 16 05:41:36 <Leeds> I got a "please come back and resub" email from them, offering me a special deal which was worse than the plan I'd had...
Jun 16 05:42:06 <readme> also 'thinking in java' is free
Jun 16 05:42:16 <readme> and sun tutorials... errr oracle
Jun 16 05:42:32 <Leeds> few years back I had access to a corporate account - unlimited books, no time restrictions...  I do have access to a limited selection now through my local library system - might be worth checking if your local libraries have any group subscription
Jun 16 05:42:44 <readme> oh nice
Jun 16 05:42:56 <readme> digital is the only sane way to deliver a technical book
Jun 16 05:43:00 <XXCoder> I need some ereader so I can read ebooks effectively
Jun 16 05:43:00 <readme> unless it's a classic
Jun 16 05:43:15 <Leeds> main problem is, unless the regularly update the limited selection, it stagnates
Jun 16 05:43:16 <JakeWharton> to be honest, the iPad is the only sane ebook reader
Jun 16 05:43:20 <readme> man just go to the library and print the shit out
Jun 16 05:43:25 <XXCoder> I'll never give up my old C book
Jun 16 05:43:32 <JakeWharton> i can't read tech shit on my Kindle
Jun 16 05:43:38 <readme> when I was like 15 I used to go to the library and print entire ebooks
Jun 16 05:43:39 <Leeds> JakeWharton: 10" tablet is *not* a sane prose reader...
Jun 16 05:43:48 <XXCoder> readme: not for me. I have touchpad. I can't read long term on any glowing screen
Jun 16 05:43:53 <readme> thanks government :)
Jun 16 05:44:02 <XXCoder> websites sure but book? no
Jun 16 05:44:13 <readme> huh? print it on paper man
Jun 16 05:44:17 <readme> then put it in a binder
Jun 16 05:44:23 <JakeWharton> Leeds: i just can't consume tech books on anything but a fully featured tablet. I don't read them linearly so it's difficult to jump around on other things
Jun 16 05:44:30 <JakeWharton> and i just feel odd reading them on a computer
Jun 16 05:44:31 <readme> just print the chapters you need or whatever
Jun 16 05:44:50 <Leeds> JakeWharton: big screen for tech books, small screen for non-tech
Jun 16 05:44:53 <readme> reading a couple chapters is better than not reading a book at all. ti's not all or nothing
Jun 16 05:45:01 <XXCoder> I'll just get eink something
Jun 16 05:45:09 <readme> try to get a big one
Jun 16 05:45:15 <JakeWharton> i usually buy tech books
Jun 16 05:45:24 <readme> i'm done with that.. safari all the way
Jun 16 05:45:36 <readme> i do buy classics though
Jun 16 05:45:40 <JakeWharton> traditional books are easy to consume on the Kindle but I like having tech books to jump around and flip through randomly
Jun 16 05:45:44 <readme> stuff that I don't need to be at the computer for anyway
Jun 16 05:45:50 <readme> I bought the pragmatic programmer this month
Jun 16 05:45:57 <XXCoder> whats it about
Jun 16 05:46:03 <XXCoder> besides coding
Jun 16 05:46:27 <JakeWharton> random aside: I highly recommend "Programming Concurrency on the JVM"
Jun 16 05:46:49 <readme> I think searchability is important
Jun 16 05:46:53 <readme> i don't want to perform a human search
Jun 16 05:47:23 <Shaba1> Hello guys. I am trying to follow the Hello world android tutorial
Jun 16 05:47:31 <readme> nice, this book is pretty cool
Jun 16 05:47:37 <Shaba1> but running into trouble with creating and AVD
Jun 16 05:47:38 <readme> i'm planning on learning clojure
Jun 16 05:47:47 <readme> Shaba1: what happens
Jun 16 05:47:53 <JakeWharton> readme: me too
Jun 16 05:47:56 <Shaba1> Hold on and I will try to paste in the error
Jun 16 05:48:00 <JakeWharton> pastebin.com please
Jun 16 05:49:41 <Shaba1> It is only one line JakeWharton
Jun 16 05:49:54 <JakeWharton> ok
Jun 16 05:50:25 <Shaba1> [2012-06-15 22:49:00 - SDK Manager] Unable to find a 'userdata.img' file for ABI armeabi to copy into the AVD folder.
Jun 16 05:50:46 <Shaba1> that what happens when I press create avd
Jun 16 05:53:59 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7817044/how-to-create-an-avd-for-android-4-0
Jun 16 05:54:16 <readme> now, I'll share my secret: i pasted your line into google and that is the first result.
Jun 16 05:54:33 <readme> let me know if it works
Jun 16 05:56:21 <JakeWharton> i love being at work really late
Jun 16 05:56:29 <JakeWharton> i can blast music and nobody is around to care
Jun 16 05:56:29 <readme> are you there for work
Jun 16 05:56:35 <JakeWharton> sort of
Jun 16 05:56:40 <JakeWharton> i'm pretty drunk, but trying to work
Jun 16 05:56:44 <readme> i'm going to work tonight as well
Jun 16 05:56:46 <readme> and tomorrow
Jun 16 05:56:49 <readme> monday deadline
Jun 16 05:56:58 <JakeWharton> we had a social event in the office tonight
Jun 16 05:57:04 <JakeWharton> so i wasn't working from 4pm to about 10pm
Jun 16 05:57:18 <JakeWharton> and romainguy_ stood me up
Jun 16 05:57:24 <readme> :(
Jun 16 05:57:36 <JakeWharton> or he showed up and I couldn't find him in the crowd
Jun 16 05:58:10 <readme> I am no longer drunk. my buzz wore off hours ago
Jun 16 05:58:48 <readme> I went to one of those habachi places where the chef cooks in front of you
Jun 16 05:58:58 <readme> then drank in my back yard a bunch
Jun 16 05:59:04 <JakeWharton> nice, which one?
Jun 16 05:59:16 <JakeWharton> i'm in love with Benihana
Jun 16 05:59:16 <Shaba1> Anyone have any ideas
Jun 16 05:59:25 <JakeWharton> Shaba1: readme posted a link
Jun 16 05:59:34 <readme> it was some place in the mall. i had to go to the mall because i stepped in a pile of dog shit so I threw away my converse
Jun 16 05:59:42 <Shaba1> that they offered while I was disconnected?
Jun 16 05:59:42 <readme> :D
Jun 16 05:59:59 <JakeWharton> oh I hide join/part
Jun 16 06:00:00 <readme> was talking a nature walk with gf
Jun 16 06:00:13 <readme> Shaba1: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7817044/how-to-create-an-avd-for-android-4-0
Jun 16 06:00:20 <JakeWharton> readme: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7817044/how-to-create-an-avd-for-android-4-0
Jun 16 06:00:21 <JakeWharton> [10:54pm] readme: now, I'll share my secret: i pasted your line into google and that is the first result.
Jun 16 06:00:22 <JakeWharton> [10:54pm] readme: let me know if it works
Jun 16 06:00:22 <JakeWharton> [10:55pm]
Jun 16 06:00:34 <readme> I am sure SF has better places like that
Jun 16 06:00:42 <readme> I've been to japan town and it was pretty awesome
Jun 16 06:01:10 <readme> we met the acquaintance of some sushi chefs at some karaoke bar then went and got food there the next day
Jun 16 06:02:51 <Shaba1> Ok I did not download that ARM EABI v7 system image
Jun 16 06:03:02 <Shaba1> becasue it was 341 mb or so
Jun 16 06:03:17 <Shaba1> And I did not feel like waiting 4 hours for it to download
Jun 16 06:04:21 <readme> yeah i recommend just downloading the whole sdk
Jun 16 06:04:28 <readme> do it before bed or something
Jun 16 06:04:45 <Snuffel> hahaha
Jun 16 06:04:53 <Snuffel> 341mb in 4 hoursd
Jun 16 06:04:59 <Snuffel> what is this , 1885?
Jun 16 06:05:04 <Snuffel> 1995?
Jun 16 06:05:56 <Shaba1> On a shared wifi like yes
Jun 16 06:06:35 <readme> i can download & mail you the sdk. only $9.99
Jun 16 06:06:51 <readme> per byte
Jun 16 06:06:54 <JakeWharton> (plus shipping&handling)
Jun 16 06:07:22 <readme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet
Jun 16 06:07:58 <Shaba1> No nevermind
Jun 16 06:13:51 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: just pushed alpha2 with issue creation and commenting support
Jun 16 06:13:59 <JakeWharton> woot
Jun 16 06:14:08 <EddieRingle> but I suppose you want closing and reopening support as well?
Jun 16 06:14:30 <JakeWharton> commenting and closing
Jun 16 06:14:35 <JakeWharton> since I do that on 99% of new ABS issues
Jun 16 06:14:36 <JakeWharton> :P
Jun 16 06:14:42 <EddieRingle> at the same time?
Jun 16 06:14:59 <JakeWharton> i abuse the "Comment and Close" button on GitHub
Jun 16 06:15:21 <JakeWharton> the things I do to it are illegal in like 30 states
Jun 16 06:15:23 <EddieRingle> but the new interface is so compact :(
Jun 16 06:15:33 <EddieRingle> I'd have to add a checkbox or something
Jun 16 06:15:41 <JakeWharton> nah i don't care about them being separate
Jun 16 06:17:31 <EddieRingle> hah, a user sent a message along with their crash report
Jun 16 06:17:34 <EddieRingle> "this sucks"
Jun 16 06:17:50 <JakeWharton> we had a user send "force close all the way down"
Jun 16 06:18:00 <JakeWharton> which I chuckled profusely at
Jun 16 06:18:02 <JakeWharton> *at which
Jun 16 06:18:11 <EddieRingle> it was a "Invalid index 5, size is 5" error
Jun 16 06:18:19 <EddieRingle> don't even know what causes those
Jun 16 06:18:22 <EddieRingle> so w/e
Jun 16 06:18:33 <JakeWharton> off by one
Jun 16 06:18:50 <JakeWharton> if size is fine you can only index 0-4
Jun 16 06:18:54 <JakeWharton> *five
Jun 16 06:18:57 <JakeWharton> stupid colloquy
Jun 16 06:19:02 <EddieRingle> impossible
Jun 16 06:19:09 <EddieRingle> it's a static arraylist
Jun 16 06:21:52 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: nevermind, just noticed some odd behavior
Jun 16 06:22:05 <JakeWharton> yeah, make that shit even
Jun 16 06:22:06 <EddieRingle> the list items seem to disappear every time you move back to the fragment
Jun 16 06:22:13 <EddieRingle> one at a time
Jun 16 06:24:50 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: can only reproduce on random repositories I find in the public timeline :\
Jun 16 07:49:29 <JakeWharton> EddieRingle: where's my update
Jun 16 08:18:44 <Jabo> how do i remove all instances of a single backslash character from a string?
Jun 16 08:19:16 <Jabo> tried org.apache.commons.lang.StringUtils.remove but that didn't remove it
Jun 16 08:20:23 <Snuffel> you need to escape it
Jun 16 08:20:47 <yareally> hopefully you didnt just load apache commons to remove a backslash
Jun 16 08:21:39 <Jabo> i only loaded org.apache.commons.lang.StringUtils
Jun 16 08:22:03 <yareally> well i just meant including the entire in your project just for that
Jun 16 08:22:31 <yareally> str = str.replace("X", "");
Jun 16 08:23:50 <yareally> commons isnt big, but just kind of silly to have it only for that
Jun 16 08:23:50 <Jabo> String literal is not properly closed by a double-quote
Jun 16 08:24:13 <yareally> i dont know what you're talking about, that removes whatever from whatever
Jun 16 08:24:17 <yareally> try it
Jun 16 08:24:21 <yareally> instead of debating
Jun 16 08:24:26 <Jabo> i did
Jun 16 08:24:27 <Jabo> str = str.replace("\", "");
Jun 16 08:24:29 <Jabo> String literal is not properly closed by a double-quote
Jun 16 08:25:01 <yareally> ...
Jun 16 08:25:03 <yareally> \\
Jun 16 08:25:09 <yareally> he told you to escape
Jun 16 08:25:16 <Jabo> \\ doesn't do it
Jun 16 08:26:50 <Jabo> check my stackoverflow question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11058374/iphone-to-android-nsmutabledictionary-nsarray-to-hashmap-arraylist
Jun 16 08:27:07 <Jabo> str = str.replace("\\", ""); still gives the same JSON output with the backslashes
Jun 16 08:27:58 <romainguy_> Jabo: are you using replace(char, char) or replaceAll()?
Jun 16 08:28:23 <Jabo> i was using replace(char, char)
Jun 16 08:28:29 <Jabo> i will try replaceAll()
Jun 16 08:28:57 <romainguy_> to use replace(char, char) you must use single quotes
Jun 16 08:29:00 <romainguy_> not double quoates
Jun 16 08:29:50 <JakeWharton> there's a replace(CharSequence, CharSequence) though
Jun 16 08:30:19 <JakeWharton> never knew that
Jun 16 08:30:26 <Jabo> i've tried it with single quotes too
Jun 16 08:30:29 <romainguy_> oh yeah
Jun 16 08:30:36 <romainguy_> I have looking at the docs for Java 1.4 my bad
Jun 16 08:30:38 <Jabo> replaceAll() caused a crash
Jun 16 08:30:44 <Jabo> E/AndroidRuntime(2571): Caused by: java.util.regex.PatternSyntaxException: Syntax error U_REGEX_BAD_ESCAPE_SEQUENCE near index 1:
Jun 16 08:30:57 <romainguy_> yes, replaceAll takes regexes
Jun 16 08:31:05 <romainguy_> so you'd have to use "\\\\"
Jun 16 08:31:07 <JakeWharton> you need four backslashes
Jun 16 08:31:09 <romainguy_> (yes, four \)
Jun 16 08:31:11 <Jabo> ok
Jun 16 08:32:23 <Jabo> nah, still has backslashes in the output
Jun 16 08:33:03 <JakeWharton> .replace("\\", "") didn't work?
Jun 16 08:33:17 <JakeWharton> can you paste what you're trying?
Jun 16 08:34:36 <Jabo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11058374/iphone-to-android-nsmutabledictionary-nsarray-to-hashmap-arraylist
Jun 16 08:34:58 <yareally> Jabo: http://ideone.com/ikHV8
Jun 16 08:35:02 <yareally> replace works just fine
Jun 16 08:35:13 <Jabo> you'll see my jsonValue string on there
Jun 16 08:35:15 <Jabo> i'm doing jsonValue = jsonValue.replaceAll("\\\\", "");
Jun 16 08:41:07 <g00s> romainguy: read any good photography books lately ?
Jun 16 08:41:50 <romainguy_> g00s: no, I rarely read photo books anyway
Jun 16 08:42:05 <romainguy_> they either talk about the same stuff over and over again
Jun 16 08:42:25 <romainguy_> or go off on crazy tangents getting all philosophical
Jun 16 08:42:39 <g00s> hehe
Jun 16 08:43:14 <JakeWharton> g00s: what's to read? they're pictures amirite!
Jun 16 08:43:32 <g00s> i'm about to read "Photography as Activism"
Jun 16 08:44:31 <g00s> i'm just a noob, but it seems you can break these books into a few categories : technique (exposure ) , technique (general) , technique (food/pets/people/wedding/etc) … color and perception, philosophy
Jun 16 08:44:41 * Chainfire just finished Kelby's Digital Photography. Everything in all those books is explained at least 4 times
Jun 16 08:44:49 <romainguy_> Chainfire: yep
Jun 16 08:44:51 <g00s> yeah, it looked fluffy
Jun 16 08:44:59 <romainguy_> and if you've read a technique book you've pretty much read them all
Jun 16 08:45:00 <Chainfire> Kelby laughing his way to the bank, though :D
Jun 16 08:45:21 <romainguy_> the best books to me are just coffee table books
Jun 16 08:45:24 <romainguy_> you look at pretty pictures
Jun 16 08:45:25 <romainguy_> you get inspired
Jun 16 08:45:28 <romainguy_> done :)
Jun 16 08:45:32 <Chainfire> aye haha
Jun 16 08:45:33 <g00s> :)
Jun 16 08:45:51 <g00s> i have some of Bruce Percy's stuff, i find it inspiring
Jun 16 08:46:40 <g00s> he uses a medium frmat camera
Jun 16 08:47:20 <Chainfire> those are nice... out of my budget though
Jun 16 08:47:22 <Jabo> ok I can remove all instances of \" which is what I want
Jun 16 08:47:26 <Jabo> i need to replace it with "
Jun 16 08:47:28 <romainguy_> the friend I went on a road trip with last week was using a medium format too
Jun 16 08:47:46 <romainguy_> Chainfire: used digital backs are "affordable"
Jun 16 08:47:47 <Jabo> jsonValue = jsonValue.replaceAll("\"", """);
Jun 16 08:47:51 <Jabo> don't work
Jun 16 08:47:56 <romainguy_> my friend bought a P45 for ~9k
Jun 16 08:48:05 <Knossos> My books are mostly silly cat books. Like "Cats with guns"
Jun 16 08:48:11 <romainguy_> Jabo: \\\\"
Jun 16 08:48:18 <romainguy_> actually
Jun 16 08:48:27 <romainguy_> no
Jun 16 08:48:29 <g00s> Percy uses a Mamiya 7
Jun 16 08:48:39 <romainguy_> either 3 \ or 5 \
Jun 16 08:48:43 <romainguy_> not 4 :)
Jun 16 08:48:51 <Chainfire> romainguy_> I can't declare those as company expense, like I do all my other gear....
Jun 16 08:48:54 <JakeWharton> Jabo: use replace
Jun 16 08:49:04 <JakeWharton> .replace("\\\"", "\"")
Jun 16 08:49:19 <Ologn> I do not understand Android's JNI work of locale at all.
Jun 16 08:49:21 <Ologn> Oh well.
Jun 16 08:49:30 <romainguy_> Ologn: what do you mean?
Jun 16 08:50:27 <Ologn> https://github.com/android/platform_bionic/blob/master/libc/stdlib/locale.c
Jun 16 08:50:53 <Jabo> JakeWharton: that still gives me backslashes
Jun 16 08:51:11 <Jabo> or i should say \"
Jun 16 08:51:33 <Ologn> It does that...but then it actually has locale stuff within jni...or something...its odd
Jun 16 08:52:25 <Ologn> Someone blogged they rolled their own hash tables to do locale in JNI...I started working on that
Jun 16 08:52:58 <romainguy_> Ologn: why not just pass the locale down from Java code?
Jun 16 08:55:14 <Snuffel> a
Jun 16 08:55:22 <Snuffel> mmm
Jun 16 08:55:32 <Jabo> replaceAll("\"", ""); definitely removes all instances of \"
Jun 16 08:55:39 <Jabo> i need to replace it with "
Jun 16 08:56:19 <romainguy_> then use "\"" as the replacement
Jun 16 08:56:58 <Ologn> romainguy_: that's the easy part.  Dealing with po and mo files and gettext is the hard part.  There's unexpected behavior, like the function above.  At least I can look at the source...
Jun 16 08:57:07 <Jabo> that just puts \" back in to the string
Jun 16 09:01:44 <JakeWharton> whatever you are printing with is inserting escape sequences
Jun 16 09:01:55 <JakeWharton> they aren't there in the actual string
Jun 16 09:02:15 <Jabo> it doesn't insert them if i do replaceAll("\"", "");
Jun 16 09:02:27 <romainguy_> Jabo: no, it adds ", not \"
Jun 16 09:02:28 <JakeWharton> because that removes quote characters only
Jun 16 09:02:43 <JakeWharton> which do not need to be escaped in the output
Jun 16 09:03:30 <JakeWharton> you're probably printing the JSON with something that is designed to parse a string value in order to be used as a JSON value string
Jun 16 09:03:34 <JakeWharton> hence the escaping
Jun 16 09:03:50 <Jabo> yeah
Jun 16 09:03:51 <Jabo> String jsonValue = JSONValue.toJSONString(playersObject);
Jun 16 09:03:57 <Jabo> playersObject is a hashmap
Jun 16 09:04:03 <Jabo> or string, string
Jun 16 09:04:05 <Jabo> of*
Jun 16 09:04:56 <JakeWharton> try System.out.println(new JSONObject(playersObject));
Jun 16 09:05:31 <Jabo> i've been doing Log.d("Json", String.valueOf(jsonValue));
Jun 16 09:06:06 <JakeWharton> Log.d("Json", new JSONObject(playersObject).toString());
Jun 16 09:06:38 <JakeWharton> there's no JSONValue in Android
Jun 16 09:06:42 <JakeWharton> are you using a third-party lib?
Jun 16 09:07:42 <Jabo> yeah
Jun 16 09:07:52 <Jabo> org.json.simple.JSONValue;
Jun 16 09:41:12 <Chainfire> Anybody know how to detect at runtime which languages I included in my APK ?
Jun 16 09:43:19 <JakeWharton> http://stackoverflow.com/a/1495767/132047 maybe?
Jun 16 09:52:34 <Chainfire> JakeWharton> thanks, but it seems like that wont work ... :(
Jun 16 09:56:22 <Chainfire> for future reference: getAssets().getLocales() lists all the locales your app has included :)
Jun 16 09:58:42 <XeruX> I've been recording some audio using my android app.. Now, I'd like to convert the PCM data to MP3. How would I go on about this?
Jun 16 09:59:09 <XeruX> Been reading about Lame, the audio-thingy, but seems to be a bit of work to get it working?
Jun 16 11:02:14 <Angel07_> best way for adding prefilled sqlite-database to android app? i guess i could do it in classes with insert but i have like 100+ rows so i guess thats not the best way...
Jun 16 11:04:10 <Jabo> if anybody was following my troubles earlier check here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11058374/iphone-to-android-nsmutabledictionary-nsarray-to-hashmap-arraylist
Jun 16 11:04:17 <Jabo> have got a bit further but still not finish
Jun 16 11:04:21 <Jabo> finished*
Jun 16 11:09:34 <XeruX> has anyone in here convergted PCM sound data to MP3 ?
Jun 16 11:10:06 <maraz> XeruX: man sox
Jun 16 11:10:54 <XeruX> maraz: .. on android
Jun 16 11:11:52 <maraz> well, you won't be finding an encoder on google play
Jun 16 11:12:05 <maraz> suggest you use an online one
Jun 16 11:12:10 <XeruX> actually, I did. but that's not what I want
Jun 16 11:12:31 <maraz> strange, mp3 is a patented technology
Jun 16 11:12:38 <XeruX> I know
Jun 16 11:12:39 <maraz> lame or no lame
Jun 16 11:13:16 <XeruX> I've been googling and searching all day long, and right after I asked in here, I found this: https://github.com/intervigilium/Lame4Android  which might actually be exactly what I need
Jun 16 11:13:20 <XeruX> :D
Jun 16 11:23:56 <GeeksOnHugs> in eclipse I had a project dissapear from the the projects list...how can I get it back?  I right click and select import and it says the project already exists in workspace?
Jun 16 11:25:32 <Jabo> refresh?
Jun 16 11:28:11 <GeeksOnHugs> yah I tried :(  it's really weird
Jun 16 11:54:09 <guessed> Is this the best place to discuss NDK matters?
Jun 16 11:54:22 <Jabo> as good a place as any
Jun 16 11:55:15 <guessed> OK .. I'll try to formulate my question carefully.  It may take a little while.
Jun 16 11:57:01 <guessed> I'm trying to control the layout of code and constant data in a native library built for ARMv5.
Jun 16 11:57:33 <guessed> I'm using NDK 7b.
Jun 16 11:59:16 <guessed> I find that const char * const pointer variables cannot be put in the same section as e.g. a const char variable because the compiler thinkss the pointer should be in a writable section.
Jun 16 12:00:28 <guessed> Is this a fumdamental constraint of the Android loader (i.e. it needs the section to be writable to relocate the pointer) or is a compiler issue?
Jun 16 12:01:02 <guessed> <end of question>
Jun 16 12:03:00 <Leeds> guessed: it's not impossible, but you'll be quite lucky to find anyone around who knows the NDK to that level of detail - particularly at this time of week... you'd probably be better off asking on the appropriate mailing list
Jun 16 12:03:39 <guessed> OK .. could you point me at the appropriate list please?
Jun 16 12:03:53 <guessed> (and thanks for responding)
Jun 16 12:04:05 <nomi1988> should i be pasting my code at pastebin?
Jun 16 12:06:00 <Leeds> guessed: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/android-ndk I would think would be the place to start
Jun 16 12:06:08 <guessed> thanks
Jun 16 12:06:19 <Leeds> nomi1988: only if you've got a question to ask...
Jun 16 12:06:31 <nomi1988> yes i do
Jun 16 12:08:55 <EvOox-> hello
Jun 16 12:09:13 <EvOox-> I am looking for android / java project :)
Jun 16 12:09:45 <nomi1988> http://pastebin.com/nnkTN178 http://pastebin.com/qwiZri7n in this file: http://pastebin.com/nnkTN178 i am removing the, line 72 when the method is called at line 60. But, the items are not getting removed
Jun 16 12:10:16 <nomi1988> they get added, line 70 works
Jun 16 12:10:30 <nomi1988> but line 72 does not
Jun 16 12:11:43 <Angel07_> best way for adding prefilled sqlite-database to android app? i guess i could do it in classes with insert but i have like 100+ rows so i guess thats not the best way...
Jun 16 12:12:02 <nomi1988> actually, the order does change, so the items ARE getting removed. But they come back :(
Jun 16 12:15:20 <Leeds> nomi1988: without trying to understand your code - are you trying to modify a structure while iterating over it?
Jun 16 12:19:04 <nomi1988> no, i itterate first then i call notifyDataSetChanged
Jun 16 12:19:37 <Younos> hiya all, i've got a question about the opengl stuff in android. its quite opengl specific about glVertexAttribPointer().. is this the right channel to ask, or is there an #android-opengl or something?
Jun 16 12:21:25 <Younos> ok i found a ##opengl, ty anyway
Jun 16 12:22:53 <Leeds> Younos: for what it's worth, people do discuss Android ogl stuff here sometimes - not too many active people around at this time of week though
Jun 16 12:24:57 <Younos> yea :o) opengl IS a part of android ^^
Jun 16 12:31:46 <nomi1988> anything for me?
Jun 16 12:42:48 <bryanl> the android emulator doesn't work well on the new retina macs
Jun 16 12:49:00 <Leeds> bryanl: how not well?
Jun 16 12:49:58 <bryanl>  Leeds: it seems to not like to be pixel doubled
Jun 16 12:50:41 <Leeds> ah, pity
Jun 16 12:51:53 <bryanl> Leeds: http://smartic.us/doodads/5554_ics-x86-20120616-085135.jpg
Jun 16 13:00:24 <Jabo> hey guys, can any of you help with this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11058374/iphone-to-android-nsmutabledictionary-nsarray-to-hashmap-arraylist
Jun 16 13:21:18 <nebkat> is the admobs jar available anywhere?
Jun 16 13:22:45 <Leeds> nebkat: https://developers.google.com/mobile-ads-sdk/download
Jun 16 13:23:40 <nebkat> Leeds: thanks, have really shitty 3g internet now so cant search for it :P
Jun 16 13:23:47 <Leeds> no worries
Jun 16 13:55:03 <Angel07_> best way for adding prefilled sqlite-database to android app? i guess i could do it in classes with insert but i have like 100+ rows so i guess thats not the best way...
Jun 16 13:56:07 <asterisk-Tester> hi there, i can load a bitmap of 2000 * 1000 pixels in an image view, after that, if i call mImage.getDrawable().getIntrinsicWidth(); and  mImage.getDrawable().getIntrinsicHeight(); i get the correct values (2000 * 1000), however if the default picture i display on application startup comes from a resource file defined in main.xml : android:src="@drawable/mypic"
Jun 16 13:56:24 <asterisk-Tester> the image / bitmap is automatically resized, any idea how i can stop this ?
Jun 16 14:06:26 <dzan> hi, I have this test application that opens a socket and receives UDP packets which works great ( regular java app no android ) I then ported it over to android and there it only receives the first packet.. is there something special I should do for android?
Jun 16 14:07:59 <dzan> it's really very simple, just these 7 lines: http://pastebin.com/sJLsFdha
Jun 16 14:10:17 <asterisk-Tester> dzan:just to make sure u enabled the network / internet permissions correctly in ur manifest file , right ?
Jun 16 14:10:49 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, but if that wasn't set up right I wouldn't receive the first one no?
Jun 16 14:11:45 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: probably yes, but i never did any network programming in android...
Jun 16 14:11:55 <dzan> uhu k thx anyway
Jun 16 14:12:51 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: ur java app and android app r running on the same machine ? is the server sending udp packets a local one or a remote one ?
Jun 16 14:13:15 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, the packets come from a remote server
Jun 16 14:13:29 <dzan> both apps here run on the same machine but it's not a port thing since i'm not running them together
Jun 16 14:13:57 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: ok , and not a firewall issue since the java app receive the packets
Jun 16 14:14:05 <dzan> indeed
Jun 16 14:14:19 <asterisk-Tester> windows machine ?
Jun 16 14:14:19 <dzan> I really can't figure it out it's the same code :s
Jun 16 14:14:21 <dzan> linux
Jun 16 14:14:42 <dzan> and it receives the first packet and then starts accepting again ( checked with debugger )
Jun 16 14:14:50 <asterisk-Tester> what is the udp packet made of ? binary data , text ... ?
Jun 16 14:23:04 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, text
Jun 16 14:23:08 <dzan> srr for late respons
Jun 16 14:23:13 <dzan> trying to debug it
Jun 16 14:25:31 <Lloir> hey guys, does anyone know if your able to enable USB DEBUGGING, from build.prop?
Jun 16 14:26:02 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: no worries, do u get any kind of error, or the receive function just time out ?
Jun 16 14:26:30 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, just timing out
Jun 16 14:26:30 <asterisk-Tester> did u double check the permissions just to be 100% sure
Jun 16 14:26:38 <dzan> yes I did and also the first packet does come in..
Jun 16 14:26:47 <dzan> check if the socket was closed or something afterwards but it's not
Jun 16 14:26:48 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: ru sure it is not a server error ?
Jun 16 14:27:09 <dzan> yes, the android app does exactly the same as the java one and that works for the server
Jun 16 14:30:04 <wongk-home> whoever made it so that you can't change your nick w/o being identified while on #android-dev needs to fix that shit :P
Jun 16 14:30:35 <wongk-home> dzan: i didn't see any actual networking code in your paste
Jun 16 14:30:42 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: what is the size of the recieved buffer ?
Jun 16 14:31:01 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, 1024bytes
Jun 16 14:31:12 <dzan> wongk-home, how do you mean?
Jun 16 14:31:23 <wongk-home> sending and receiving of data
Jun 16 14:31:48 <dzan> wongk-home, it's a heartbeat, I don't send anything it just comes in but I'll paste a part where some data is sent
Jun 16 14:32:21 <dzan> actually it's just socket.send(packet);
Jun 16 14:32:27 <dzan> ( not my code i'm continuing work on it )
Jun 16 14:32:39 <asterisk-Tester>  dzan:  a heartbeat of 1024 bytes ?
Jun 16 14:32:58 <dzan> well the buffer is that size :) the hearbeat isn't
Jun 16 14:33:01 <asterisk-Tester> usually it is around 5 / 10 bytes
Jun 16 14:33:04 <wongk-home> 1024 bytes is the buffer size
Jun 16 14:33:26 <asterisk-Tester> ah yeah i can see that in ur paste, i meant the actual received data
Jun 16 14:34:28 <dzan> it's no 1024bytes :)
Jun 16 14:34:59 <canadiancow2> ugh
Jun 16 14:35:12 <canadiancow2> i really hate it when you get a 4star review where they ask a question
Jun 16 14:35:16 <canadiancow2> and you have no way of answering
Jun 16 14:35:17 <canadiancow2> and...wtf
Jun 16 14:35:17 <wongk-home> heh
Jun 16 14:35:21 <wongk-home> i
Jun 16 14:35:24 <wongk-home> er
Jun 16 14:35:35 <wongk-home> i've havent gotten a 4 star review yet :P
Jun 16 14:35:50 <canadiancow> like 1stars i dont think you could fix either way
Jun 16 14:35:55 <wongk-home> of course, i have like 15 ratings total for 3 apps :P
Jun 16 14:36:00 <canadiancow> but someone who gives you 4 obviously likes it and justs a little improvement
Jun 16 14:39:24 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: is the sserver using a multi cast broadcast to send the udp packets
Jun 16 14:39:24 <asterisk-Tester> ?
Jun 16 14:39:36 <dzan> i think it does
Jun 16 14:42:45 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: then u have to use setReuseAddress(true);
Jun 16 14:43:44 <asterisk-Tester> from the official documnetation : http://developer.android.com/reference/java/net/DatagramSocket.html#receive%28java.net.DatagramPacket%29
Jun 16 14:43:45 <asterisk-Tester> and :
Jun 16 14:43:45 <asterisk-Tester>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8167113/android-3-2-receive-udp-packets-does-not-work
Jun 16 14:46:04 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, thanks i'll check it out! hoping that's it
Jun 16 14:46:11 <dzan> and in java we shoulnd't set it?
Jun 16 14:51:32 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: mmm donno, never worked on a multicast udp server / client architecture and never heard of this function before
Jun 16 14:51:50 <asterisk-Tester> might be android specific, not sure
Jun 16 14:52:30 <Ge0rG> dzan: it needs to be set on java as well, at least on top of linux
Jun 16 14:52:41 <wongk-home> could also just be differences in dalvik and oracle jvm
Jun 16 14:52:45 <Ge0rG> dzan: a better design would just reuse the same socket instead of opening new ones all the time
Jun 16 14:53:05 <Ge0rG> also, you can't receive anything if the socket is not open currently.
Jun 16 14:57:30 <asterisk-Tester> dzan: did u try it ? it's just 1 function call....
Jun 16 15:06:53 <dzan> asterisk-Tester, isn't that... server doesn't use that it seems
Jun 16 15:07:24 <dzan> Ge0rG, and i'm using the same one so that isn't it neither
Jun 16 15:07:31 <dzan> strange :s
Jun 16 15:07:40 <dzan> could it be that it's because of the emulator?
Jun 16 15:09:29 <n1x> How can I enable "snapshot" option in created device if I forgot to check that while creating it? Any option that I can add directly in XML config?
Jun 16 15:09:55 <Angel07_> best way for adding prefilled sqlite-database to android app? i guess i could do it in classes with insert but i have like 100+ rows so i guess thats not the best way...
Jun 16 15:14:23 <wongk-home> new Checkout Tracker released
Jun 16 15:15:04 <wongk-home> Angel07_: you can add it to assets
Jun 16 15:15:18 <wongk-home> i am not sure where it ends up on the device after installation in that case
Jun 16 15:16:27 <wongk-home> databases are typically in /data/data/your.package/databases
Jun 16 15:25:04 <Angel07_> wongk-home thx for reply... so you mean something like this... http://code.google.com/p/androidtutorial/source/browse/trunk/%20androidtutorial/EmployeeDirectory6/res/raw/sql.xml   inside resources?
Jun 16 15:26:00 <wongk-home> Angel07_: not at all
Jun 16 15:26:30 <wongk-home> Angel07_: my suggestion was to put the database file in 'assets'
Jun 16 15:26:52 <wongk-home> with that caveat that you determine where the file is installed to
Jun 16 15:30:42 <Angel07_> wongk-home do you maybe have some example(link)... i am pretty new at this so i dont really understand what do you mean...
Jun 16 15:32:38 <snooplsm> is there an issue with actionbar sherlock using the shareactionprovider w/ submenus?
Jun 16 15:32:52 <snooplsm> i mean split action bar
Jun 16 15:33:23 <wongk-home> Angel07_: https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=android+assets
Jun 16 15:36:51 <snooplsm> not sure why this is happening: http://i.imgur.com/lZpBK.png
Jun 16 15:38:20 <snooplsm> and when I uncomment those 3 lines of code
Jun 16 15:38:20 <snooplsm> http://i.imgur.com/fMick.png
Jun 16 15:39:53 <snooplsm> guess i'll just let JakeWharton know about that :)
Jun 16 15:40:15 <SimonVT> It's a framework bug
Jun 16 15:40:30 <SimonVT> Doesn't happen in the ABS implementation
Jun 16 15:41:06 <snooplsm> i'm using abs
Jun 16 15:41:10 <snooplsm> or at least i think so
Jun 16 15:41:52 <SimonVT> Your screenshot is from ICS
Jun 16 15:41:57 <SimonVT> On ICS the native implementation is used
Jun 16 15:42:10 <snooplsm> can i force it to abs?
Jun 16 15:47:08 <SimonVT> Sure, just unregister the implementation which proxies to the framework, as well as fix up the styles for ICS+
Jun 16 15:47:18 <sukramTM> Hello, in the moment I am reading the Android Style Guide: http://android-developers.blogspot.de/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html
Jun 16 15:48:24 <snooplsm> sukramTM: that is goo
Jun 16 15:48:26 <snooplsm> d
Jun 16 15:48:43 <sukramTM> When I insert <style name="MyTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Holo"> in the values-v11/themes.xml i got the error: error: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name '@android:style/Theme.Holo'.
Jun 16 15:49:22 <SimonVT> You have to build against api11+
Jun 16 15:49:27 <snooplsm> SimonVT: it is borked in both.
Jun 16 15:50:10 <SimonVT> Then you're out of luck
Jun 16 15:50:24 <snooplsm> damn i don't even have a sub ICS device to test with
Jun 16 15:51:37 <p_l> snooplsm: launch an emulator?
Jun 16 15:51:52 <sukramTM> SimonVT: What do you mean, I try to support older device too. So i make a themes.xml in the values and a themes.xml in the values-v11
Jun 16 15:52:27 <SimonVT> Yes, you have to build against an api level that actually has Theme.Holo
Jun 16 15:52:33 <SimonVT> How else would it know it exists
Jun 16 15:54:35 <Ge0rG> by magic guessing? :D
Jun 16 16:12:23 <wongk-home> wow, creating a multi-select spinner is a PITA
Jun 16 16:13:49 <Ge0rG> yeah, easy stuff is really easy in android, and as soon as you need a little more sophistication, it becomes rocket surgery :(
Jun 16 16:14:15 <wongk-home> rocket surgery, that's awesome :P
Jun 16 16:15:23 <Ge0rG> yeah, I love that term
Jun 16 16:17:49 <gaz`> anyone know how to get the length of the content ina webview
Jun 16 16:18:10 <gaz`> sorryheight of it
Jun 16 16:24:14 <gaz`> ah view.getContentHeight()
Jun 16 16:28:48 <gaz`> hmm view.getContentHeight() returns a lie
Jun 16 16:37:02 <c2tarun> gaz`, what lie?
Jun 16 16:44:42 <canadiancow|work> does google cloud print work for anyone?
Jun 16 17:25:05 <lut4rp> Hm, what does RTC mean in the AlarmManager class?
Jun 16 17:28:46 <Ge0rG> lut4rp: real-time clock
Jun 16 17:41:05 <lut4rp> Ge0rG, aha, thanks :)
Jun 16 18:45:50 <imrobert> I'm having trouble getting my kindle fire detected by 'adb devices' on linux
Jun 16 18:47:26 <Leeds> have you unmounted it yet?
Jun 16 18:48:04 <Leeds> what apps are you expecting to work on for it?
Jun 16 18:48:40 <imrobert> Leeds: Oh, hey. :)
Jun 16 18:48:45 <imrobert> Leeds: unmounted, yes
Jun 16 18:49:12 <imrobert> Leeds: Ultimately I want to install CM7
Jun 16 18:49:14 <Leeds> read http://mjanja.co.ke/2012/02/using-adb-on-the-kindle-fire/
Jun 16 18:49:50 <imrobert> Leeds: thanks, I read that already actually
Jun 16 18:50:01 <imrobert> no luck
Jun 16 18:50:21 <Leeds> but you didn't mention that you'd already made an ini file and changed your udev settings?  unhelpful
Jun 16 18:50:35 <Ge0rG> wtf. why did my g2 just hard-reset from clockworkmod recovery backup?!
Jun 16 18:51:21 <imrobert> Sorry, that was my bad. So yes, I've made the ini file and created the file specificed in the blog post for udev
Jun 16 18:51:29 <imrobert> *specified
Jun 16 18:53:30 <Shaba1> hello all
Jun 16 18:53:59 <Shaba1> Can I have multiple google map keys?
Jun 16 18:55:37 <Myr> Yes
Jun 16 18:56:02 <Myr> Not with the same account though I think
Jun 16 18:56:08 <Shaba1> Myr sorry if that sounds like a stupid question.
Jun 16 18:56:14 <Shaba1> Ok that was my next question
Jun 16 18:56:35 <Shaba1> That is fine I have 4 gmail accounts. Only one of which I am mainly going to use to post code.
Jun 16 18:56:36 <Shaba1> Ok
Jun 16 18:56:44 <Myr> But why would you want to have multiple?
Jun 16 18:56:56 <Shaba1> how do i move the "key" to a usb flash drive.
Jun 16 18:57:15 <readme> put it in a text file and save it
Jun 16 18:57:22 <Shaba1> Well I am just paranoid about having something on my computer associated with my real identity.
Jun 16 18:57:30 <Shaba1> Yes call me paranoid :)
Jun 16 18:57:58 <Myr> Well, aren't we all :P
Jun 16 18:58:00 <readme> we don't care, this isn't #tinfoil-helmet
Jun 16 18:58:09 <Shaba1> any tips on how to advertise my app?
Jun 16 18:58:14 <readme> make a blog post
Jun 16 18:58:32 <readme> make it interesting.. post it to reddit or hn
Jun 16 18:58:47 <Myr> place it on the market, make blog post, talk about it on your Facebook/Google+/other social media
Jun 16 18:58:52 <Myr> Have others talk about it
Jun 16 18:58:54 <Shaba1> Yeah I have a blogspot account with each gmail account. But to my mind that blog will just sit there unfound.
Jun 16 18:58:55 <BuSheeZy> Make it worth a shit
Jun 16 18:59:06 <Shaba1> and I do not want to flog it everywhere.
Jun 16 18:59:12 <BuSheeZy> people will tell others if they like it
Jun 16 18:59:15 <Shaba1> That is SSSSOOOO tacky to me.
Jun 16 18:59:53 <Myr> Well, have your friends use it, if they like it they will tell their friends
Jun 16 19:00:05 <Shaba1> Not like I want to make any money off it at all
Jun 16 19:00:30 <Shaba1> well not intially. More like I want to use it as a resume/CV piece.
Jun 16 19:00:39 <Myr> Hmm... I know that yeah
Jun 16 19:01:09 <Myr> Well, I just send it to the people I know for free and to people who could use it
Jun 16 19:01:21 <readme> having multiple blogspots isn't going to help. what you need is one actually good blog that people read
Jun 16 19:01:56 <readme> http://www.amazon.com/Permission-Marketing-Turning-Strangers-Customers/dp/0684856360
Jun 16 19:01:58 <readme> learn here
Jun 16 19:02:02 <Leeds> if you build it... they won't come, because they won't know about it unless you tell the,
Jun 16 19:02:10 <Shaba1> LOL
Jun 16 19:02:23 <Shaba1> I like that Leeds :) can I plagerize that/
Jun 16 19:02:26 <readme> i only had to tell a few people and my app is finally on the 3rd page of results
Jun 16 19:02:26 <Leeds> "if you build it, they will come" is the biggest fallacy online
Jun 16 19:02:29 <Leeds> Shaba1: feel free
Jun 16 19:02:31 <Shaba1> ?
Jun 16 19:02:42 <readme> i'm hoping to see the 1st page for my search soon :)
Jun 16 19:02:54 <Shaba1> what app is that readme
Jun 16 19:02:59 <readme> led caller id
Jun 16 19:03:07 <Myr> I knew it :P
Jun 16 19:03:36 <readme> make friends with people here and form alliances for insider review.... :)
Jun 16 19:03:40 <Shaba1> Hold on let me pull up the help page on keystores. I have to figure out how to make the key text. BRB
Jun 16 19:03:56 <Shaba1> alliances for insider review?
Jun 16 19:04:01 <readme> Oh, I thought you meant the maps api key. Just copy the keystore file.
Jun 16 19:04:07 <readme> copy the whole file.
Jun 16 19:04:32 <Myr> Well yeah, have a group of people give each other reviews
Jun 16 19:04:55 <Myr> Ofcourse, those reviews are the actual review value x 1.50%
Jun 16 19:05:01 <readme> cool, a company bought my app
Jun 16 19:05:07 <Myr> nice
Jun 16 19:05:08 <readme> unless someone's name is "Charter One"
Jun 16 19:05:51 <readme> more like someone uses the company card to buy apps. heh
Jun 16 19:09:34 <Myr> for "research" purposes
Jun 16 19:14:33 <Shaba1> what is the name of that app again readme
Jun 16 19:15:41 <Myr> readme	led caller id
Jun 16 19:17:09 <readme> Shaba1: you should tell us what your app is.. for advertising purposes
Jun 16 19:18:36 <Shaba1> Well I have and idea
Jun 16 19:18:44 <Shaba1> I really have not written the code yet
Jun 16 19:19:02 <Myr> xD
Jun 16 19:19:31 <Shaba1> I started dabbling in android code about 3 years ago. Then got away from it while I was working to keep a roof over my head
Jun 16 19:19:56 <Shaba1> Now I am getting back into it. And things seem so much more clear now then they did 3 years ago
Jun 16 19:29:24 <Shaba1> Ok newbie question #3. Is the google map key that same as the key you use to sign your apps when you post them to that Marketplace?
Jun 16 19:30:32 <p_l> Shaba1: nope
Jun 16 19:31:07 <Shaba1> thaks p_1 and once again I apologize if thise sound like stupid questions.
Jun 16 19:32:27 <p_l> Shaba1: I think you're nowhere close to how stupid questions get here...
Jun 16 19:32:56 <Shaba1> LOL
Jun 16 19:32:59 <Shaba1> Ok thanks
Jun 16 19:36:39 <imrobert> fyi I found a solution to my problem http://stackoverflow.com/a/8532980/929475
Jun 16 19:36:45 <imrobert> thanks
Jun 16 19:39:08 <BuSheeZy> bloop. http://pastie.org/4099374 I ran into a problem while following a this tutorial. http://www.androidhive.info/2012/01/android-login-and-registration-with-php-mysql-and-sqlite/
Jun 16 19:44:14 <readme> BuSheeZy: NetworkOnMainThreadException
Jun 16 19:44:23 <readme> search that on stackoverflow.
Jun 16 19:44:43 <readme> it's a common mistake by people who don't read the official android documentation and instead rely on third hand instructions from random blogs.
Jun 16 19:45:54 <BuSheeZy> Thanks...
Jun 16 19:46:12 <readme> Look up AsyncTask
Jun 16 19:46:26 <BuSheeZy> will do
Jun 16 19:49:05 <BuSheeZy> Ahhh. I see
Jun 16 19:49:39 <BuSheeZy> Apparently networking was allowed to run on the main thread in earlier android versions
Jun 16 19:50:02 <BuSheeZy> old blog post
Jun 16 19:50:06 <BuSheeZy> thank you readme
Jun 16 19:51:23 <readme> just for the record, even though there was no exception it was still a terribly wrong thing to do
Jun 16 19:51:28 <BuSheeZy> yeah
Jun 16 19:51:29 <BuSheeZy> I know
Jun 16 19:51:30 <BuSheeZy> lol
Jun 16 19:54:35 <MontyCarleau> Are apps able to view their own digital certificates?
Jun 16 19:56:34 <GeeksOnHugs> hey guys...got a weird problem...in eclipse one of my files has no syntax highlighting...I notice it is like marked as a regular file as the small icon on the tab is different...anybody had this happened before?  It sounds like a small thing but it's annoying hte crap out of me
Jun 16 19:57:37 <readme> does the file have an extension
Jun 16 19:57:49 <MontyCarleau> GeeksOnHugs: When you go to Preferences, what does it look like Eclipse is recognizing it as?
Jun 16 19:57:52 <GeeksOnHugs> yes
Jun 16 19:58:00 <readme> what extension
Jun 16 19:58:01 <GeeksOnHugs> yes to readme
Jun 16 19:58:04 <GeeksOnHugs> .java
Jun 16 19:58:30 <GeeksOnHugs> MontyCarleau what does your question mean
Jun 16 19:58:32 <readme> but other java files don't have the same problem?
Jun 16 19:58:36 <GeeksOnHugs> yep
Jun 16 19:58:40 <GeeksOnHugs> all other java is fine
Jun 16 19:58:43 <readme> where is this file located? is it in a java package?
Jun 16 19:58:55 <GeeksOnHugs> it's in my programs package
Jun 16 19:59:07 <readme> what is different about this file, from others?
Jun 16 19:59:41 <GeeksOnHugs> nothing, it's my MainActivity.java file...it started happening after I broke my manifest XML and also main.xml
Jun 16 20:00:16 <GeeksOnHugs> I was also noticing files like main.xml.out and androidmanifest.xml.out too for a bit but got rid of those
Jun 16 20:00:37 <joel135> MontyCarleau: since you are able to start apps without root, you should be able to read the apk on any android device
Jun 16 20:00:39 <Fjornir> GeeksOnHugs: Close the tab. Right-click the file in the package explorer. Open with Java Editor. Does that resolve the problem?
Jun 16 20:01:03 <GeeksOnHugs> DISCOVERED IT
Jun 16 20:01:28 <GeeksOnHugs> check this out...right click on a file in the project manager, there is an "Open With" or "Open As" option
Jun 16 20:01:39 <GeeksOnHugs> it got selected as "text file" instead of "java file"
Jun 16 20:01:49 <Fjornir> ...
Jun 16 20:01:51 <GeeksOnHugs> learn something new everyday
Jun 16 20:02:02 <GeeksOnHugs> Oh yah, thanks Fjomir :)
Jun 16 20:02:12 <GeeksOnHugs> that would have done it :)
Jun 16 20:03:13 <Fjornir> Too slow, chicken marengo! Too slow for this cat! ;)
Jun 16 20:05:06 <GeeksOnHugs> :P
Jun 16 20:10:17 <GeeksOnHugs> noob java question but this is irking me too...how do I use not in an if statement...it doesn't like either of these:  if not (true) {}   or    if (not true) {}  ??  I've been having to use like     if (false != true) {}  for not :(
Jun 16 20:10:40 <JakeWharton> if (!true)
Jun 16 20:10:50 <GeeksOnHugs> oh :P
Jun 16 20:10:51 <GeeksOnHugs> kk ty
Jun 16 20:11:05 <GeeksOnHugs> !cool
Jun 16 20:11:08 <GeeksOnHugs> :P
Jun 16 20:18:43 <wongk-home> i cna'
Jun 16 20:18:45 <Fjornir> Generic eclipse question: is there a setting where I can tweak how aggressive the syntax checker is? My system is more or less idle when I'm editting a line of code but it takes a noticeable amount of time for the line to go from being flagged as an error to showing as clean.
Jun 16 20:19:00 <wongk-home> i can't believe eclipse launches the android sdk manager as a modal windows
Jun 16 20:19:50 <Shaba1> guys do I really need the samples for sdk
Jun 16 20:19:58 <Myr> nope
Jun 16 20:20:00 <Myr> not at all
Jun 16 20:20:32 <Shaba1> or the various device emulators like PHOTON or Real3D or MT917?
Jun 16 20:20:49 <readme> no
Jun 16 20:20:58 <Shaba1> I am assumin that those are device emulators.
Jun 16 20:21:00 <readme> at least get each sdk version though
Jun 16 20:21:00 <Myr> Making a hotkey to Google and Stackoverflow is more useful
Jun 16 20:21:02 <wongk-home> hopefully i'll get a MultiSelectSpinner out of this that i can release on github
Jun 16 20:21:34 <readme> cool
Jun 16 20:22:30 <Shaba1> Well I have the sdk for all the 4 versions and the 2 versions
Jun 16 20:22:36 <Shaba1> I skipped over the 3 version
Jun 16 20:22:44 <Shaba1> No particular reason
Jun 16 20:22:45 <Myr> :/
Jun 16 20:23:23 <Shaba1> I just read the android developers page on platform usage and it said the 2.3.3 version were the most deployed right now.
Jun 16 20:24:11 <Myr> Seems to be so
Jun 16 20:24:21 <wongk-home> i don't test on honeycomb either
Jun 16 20:24:22 <Myr> Most Samsung phones use it
Jun 16 20:25:07 <Shaba1> Well if I make something people are interested in I it to be able to run on the most deployed platform
Jun 16 20:25:37 <Myr> Well, develop it for the lowest sdk possible
Jun 16 20:27:05 <Shaba1> lol
Jun 16 20:27:08 <Shaba1> hmmmm
Jun 16 20:27:16 <Shaba1> now that thought never occured to me
Jun 16 20:27:18 <imrobert> Damn, I think I may have bricked my kindle fire. Stuck at the FireFireFire logo
Jun 16 20:27:18 <Shaba1> hmmm
Jun 16 20:28:01 <wongk-home> holy shit the intel x86 4.0.3 image is slower than the arm image
Jun 16 20:28:03 <Myr> imrobert: you were installing a custom os?
Jun 16 20:28:13 <imrobert> Myr: just rooting
Jun 16 20:28:29 <imrobert> Myr: eventually that was the goal though
Jun 16 20:28:37 <Myr> Which tool are you using?
Jun 16 20:28:42 <wongk-home> and the wallpaper doesn't draw correctly
Jun 16 20:29:43 <imrobert> Myr: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1568340
Jun 16 20:29:48 <imrobert> just following that
Jun 16 20:30:22 <imrobert> Now adb won't recognize it
Jun 16 20:30:31 <imrobert> "error: device not found"
Jun 16 20:30:47 <Myr> hmm, never seen that tut before o.o
Jun 16 20:30:57 <imrobert> tried adding 0x18d1 tp adb_usb.ini
Jun 16 20:31:20 <imrobert> *to
Jun 16 20:32:37 <MontyCarleau> joel135: Hey - I missed your response.  Specifically, I'm trying to access the public-key that signed the application.  Do you know how that might be accessible?
Jun 16 20:37:16 <joel135> MontyCarleau: i'm sorry. i don't know
Jun 16 20:39:39 <joel135> MontyCarleau: see what you can find in the .apk/META-INF folder
Jun 16 20:42:56 <Shaba1> guys I am trying the Hello world tutorial from developers.android.com
Jun 16 20:43:32 <Shaba1> I have got the code in eclipse and have the emultator running but its just sitting there onscreen. How can I tell if its stuck?
Jun 16 20:43:51 <xorgate> try to do something in it
Jun 16 20:44:31 <Shaba1> I see a big "Android" in the middle of the emulator that has lighted takes going from letter to letter and that is it
Jun 16 20:45:28 <Shaba1> Ok just pressed the HOME button and got the home screen so the emu it working
Jun 16 20:45:36 <Shaba1> but I do not see hello world yet
Jun 16 20:45:47 <xorgate> hit run in eclispe again
Jun 16 20:45:47 <Shaba1> Ah there it is.
Jun 16 20:45:50 <Shaba1> Its just slow
Jun 16 20:45:51 <Shaba1> thanks
Jun 16 20:46:27 <Fjornir> You can help that problem by turning off the boot animation. But a real device is definitely superior to the emulator in my (limited) experience.
Jun 16 20:46:58 <Shaba1> OH I have an android phone
Jun 16 20:47:27 <Shaba1> I just want to get some practice making apps before I try something out on my phone and accidently brick it :D
Jun 16 20:47:34 <Fjornir> Thankfully you shouldn't need to restart your emulator very often. And you can also save state of the emu and restore to that state if you find yourself needing to get to a particular state regularly.
Jun 16 20:48:27 <Shaba1> Ok Fjornir: # 1 how do I turn off the boot animation.
Jun 16 20:48:40 <Shaba1> #2 How do I save the stated of the emulator?
Jun 16 20:49:06 <Shaba1> #3 How do I restore the state of the emulator?
Jun 16 20:49:33 <Myr> There is a function in the emulator that does that, I believe in the top menu
Jun 16 20:49:59 <pcboy_> Hey guys. What are you using to cache http requests? Working on >= 2.2.
Jun 16 20:50:08 <Shaba1> Aww shoot. I just turned it off once I got the hello world text up
Jun 16 20:50:18 <MontyCarleau> For posterity: context.getPackageManager().getPackageInfo(context.getPackageName(), PackageManager.GET_SIGNATURES).signatures;
Jun 16 20:50:23 <Shaba1> is there a way of starting it without having and actual program to run
Jun 16 20:52:44 <Fjornir> Shaba1: #1: Run -> Run Configurations -> Target -> Disable boot Animation.
Jun 16 20:53:13 <Myr> Shaba1: go to the android tool folder and use : "emulator -avd <avd number>"
Jun 16 20:53:21 <Fjornir> Shaba1: #2&#3 I need to pass on, I don't remember off the top of my head.
Jun 16 20:53:32 <Myr> where avd number equals the avd you wish to start
Jun 16 20:53:38 <Fjornir> Shaba1: I kinda skipped that when I learned how much better the device is. :P
Jun 16 20:54:04 <Myr> And so much faster
Jun 16 20:54:13 <Fjornir> Shaba1: Through eclipse you can launch your emulator with the Android Virtual Device manager button, selecting your avd, and then clicking run.
Jun 16 20:56:12 <readme> anyone playing with the google i/o physics game?
Jun 16 20:56:22 <readme> i've found it's possible to create a perpetual motion device :)
Jun 16 20:56:37 <BuSheeZy> oh yeah
Jun 16 20:56:39 <Fjornir> readme: Quick, get your patent attorney on the phone! :D
Jun 16 20:56:44 <BuSheeZy> oh
Jun 16 20:56:48 <BuSheeZy> I didn't read that part about the game
Jun 16 20:56:54 <BuSheeZy> I thought you were breaking science
Jun 16 20:58:27 <Myr> How would you even make a perpetual motion device and prove that it is infact perpetual?
Jun 16 20:59:07 <ayami_nc> Hi can someone help me with advice? :)
Jun 16 20:59:22 <Myr> ayami_nc: yes, just ask
Jun 16 20:59:35 <BuSheeZy> pretty much a general rule for any irc room
Jun 16 20:59:36 <BuSheeZy> o.O
Jun 16 20:59:44 <BuSheeZy> Nike
Jun 16 20:59:47 <BuSheeZy> Just Do It
Jun 16 21:00:04 <ayami_nc> Is there a way to send UTF8 sms to emulator?
Jun 16 21:00:34 <ayami_nc> DDMS when i'm send cyrillic message display it as  ???
Jun 16 21:01:48 <Myr> how are you currently sending it to the emu?
Jun 16 21:02:02 <ayami_nc> Eclipse DDMS
Jun 16 21:02:20 <Myr> no idea what that is :D
Jun 16 21:02:36 <ayami_nc> It some kind of adb but with visual
Jun 16 21:02:39 <ayami_nc> interface
Jun 16 21:02:51 <Myr> I would say, send it with telnet to the emu
Jun 16 21:03:05 <ayami_nc> 1 sec i'm try, but if i'm non wrong it same way comes
Jun 16 21:03:07 <Myr> Dunno if that is UTF8 though
Jun 16 21:03:34 <Fjornir> If I was to head to B&N in search of decent .DTF resources on android development what would you recommend?
Jun 16 21:04:52 <imrobert> Once again, solved my problem. Had to run the fastboot commands as sudo
Jun 16 21:05:31 <Shaba1> Outstanding
Jun 16 21:05:59 <ayami_nc> Myr: through adb still comes non correct, but non as "????" but as some china
Jun 16 21:06:15 <ayami_nc> Myr: if i'm sent "Test" it comes fine, if i'm send "Тест" it comes wrong
Jun 16 21:06:30 <Shaba1> Let me just say you guys and ladies are REALLY helpful WITHOUT that " I am such a knowlegelbe GOD and you are such a STUPID newbie" arrogance that is so common here on freenode.
Jun 16 21:06:56 <readme> Works in chrome but not in chromium
Jun 16 21:07:20 <readme> http://goo.gl/13Jl8
Jun 16 21:10:17 <Fjornir> No book recommendations?
Jun 16 21:11:19 <Shaba1> Outstanding
Jun 16 21:11:28 <Shaba1> I got hello world working and got the emulator up
Jun 16 21:11:36 <Shaba1> Onward and upward
Jun 16 21:11:39 <Fjornir> Shaba1: Gratz
Jun 16 21:11:59 <Shaba1> Well have to do something
Jun 16 21:12:07 <Shaba1> unemployment is no fun
Jun 16 21:12:40 <Fjornir> Shaba1: Been there. My solace after I got layed off was tinkering on my arduino.
Jun 16 21:13:38 <Shaba1> Well its bad. I do not get unemployment since I quit, I 16 days behind on my rent and my only source of money has been plasma donations.
Jun 16 21:13:47 <Shaba1> but hey not whining I hope.
Jun 16 21:13:57 * Shaba1 hates whiners
Jun 16 21:14:52 <Myr> ayami_nc: I am not sure what you mean with "but non as ???? but some as china". And if English isn't your native language, which one is?
Jun 16 21:15:18 <Myr> only 16 days :P
Jun 16 21:16:02 <ayami_nc> Myr: Russian :) native, sms i'm need test too in Russian, sorry i'm bad explain
Jun 16 21:16:02 <ayami_nc> When i'm sent from ddms sms text come as "????" symbols, when from adb, it comes like some china or non readed text
Jun 16 21:16:08 <ayami_nc> original sms text is "Тест"
Jun 16 21:16:57 <Myr> Hmm, i'll go give it a try on my emu
Jun 16 21:17:06 <ayami_nc> sure
Jun 16 21:17:19 <Myr> And too bad my Russian is quite bad
Jun 16 21:18:03 <readme> Shaba1: blood plasma.. lol that's not productive man
Jun 16 21:18:14 <readme> go on elance or odesk and do some work
Jun 16 21:18:15 <ayami_nc> no worry :-D Mine English non the best one, but i'm can understand what you mean, and can rephrase sentence if I'm maked it wrong :)
Jun 16 21:18:49 <Shaba1> what is that input/output supppose to do
Jun 16 21:19:00 <readme> its a physics game
Jun 16 21:19:11 <Shaba1> I click and a ball is released from the left side then explodes
Jun 16 21:19:12 <readme> (to promote the event)
Jun 16 21:19:43 <Shaba1> Ok
Jun 16 21:19:49 <Shaba1> some instructions would be nice
Jun 16 21:20:56 <Shaba1> Ok nevermind
Jun 16 21:21:14 <Shaba1> I lost interest in it once I could not understand what it was supposed to do.
Jun 16 21:21:16 <Shaba1> :)
Jun 16 21:21:34 <readme> use it in the latest chrome.
Jun 16 21:21:51 <Shaba1> I do not know if I have chrome on this machine
Jun 16 21:21:57 <Shaba1> if I do it is very very old
Jun 16 21:22:21 <Shaba1> I did put google chrome frame on i.e. becasue a website that I use required it.
Jun 16 21:23:15 <BuSheeZy> you put a plugin in IE to make it run another browser's engine?
Jun 16 21:23:22 <BuSheeZy> sounds backwards
Jun 16 21:24:23 <Shaba1> hey the website would not let me view the content otherwise.
Jun 16 21:24:26 <ayami_nc> Myr: it works fine if send sms to self, or in outputs, but displays always wrong if i'm send from ddms or adb
Jun 16 21:24:38 <Shaba1> Ticked me off but what else could I do?
Jun 16 21:25:02 <Myr> Hmm, I am trying it now :P
Jun 16 21:25:09 <ayami_nc> thanks :)
Jun 16 21:25:20 <Myr> But slow Emulator is slow
Jun 16 21:25:31 <ayami_nc> yeah :-D same here
Jun 16 21:26:34 <readme> https://developers.google.com/events/io/input-output/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVCb2FyZBia0a0CDA
Jun 16 21:26:52 <Myr> Anyone know how to make the starting of the Emulator faster?
Jun 16 21:27:03 <readme> check off snapshot
Jun 16 21:27:09 <Myr> hmm
Jun 16 21:29:22 <jonasa> hey all, im a newbie but ive got a samsung galaxy s2 and ive seen there are many Roms called AOP but many of them are listed in xda-developers forum can anyone of you suggest me one?
Jun 16 21:29:42 <alankila> jonasa: cyanogenmod 9 nightly
Jun 16 21:29:44 <alankila> running it myself
Jun 16 21:29:59 <alankila> this isn't for aosp stuff though, more focused on developing android apps
Jun 16 21:30:17 <jonasa> A friend installed me few months ago a firmware called Hydrogen works pretty fine but i wanted to see if theres an update and a better one thats why i asked you
Jun 16 21:30:55 <Myr> ayami_nc : I can't type russian on this machine, but if I use Kanji and Hirigana (Japanese) it shows correctly
Jun 16 21:30:57 <jonasa> however that firmware isnt listed there anymore
Jun 16 21:31:01 <Myr> I use telnet to send SMS
Jun 16 21:31:22 <ayami_nc> Myr: can you copy paste to telnet?
Jun 16 21:31:28 <Myr> aye
Jun 16 21:32:30 <Myr> if you wish to talk to the emu use "o localhost 5554" as address
Jun 16 21:33:03 <ayami_nc> Myr: yup i'm use from WIN 7 cmd "telnet localhost 5554"
Jun 16 21:33:12 <ayami_nc> then "send sms 900 Тест"
Jun 16 21:33:24 <Myr> Should work
Jun 16 21:33:43 <ayami_nc> 5 min i'm try again
Jun 16 21:40:50 <ayami_nc> Myr: nope :( same result
Jun 16 21:41:02 <ayami_nc> maybe there is some encoding trouble in windows or under emulator?
Jun 16 21:41:27 <Myr> I don't think its the emu
Jun 16 21:41:49 <Myr> Windows most likely seeing as it works for me and I am using linux
Jun 16 21:42:18 <ayami_nc> Myr: i'm have linux on other pc :) Does emu allows connect from other host? non localhost
Jun 16 21:42:44 <Myr> sure
Jun 16 21:42:50 <ayami_nc> :) 5 min i'm try
Jun 16 21:45:22 <JulienDev> How can I apply an luminosity effect on an imageview downloaded from internet? I mean I can't use a selector
Jun 16 21:47:20 <readme> i cant help but point out the technicality
Jun 16 21:47:27 <readme> the imageview isn't downloaded.. only the image is ;)
Jun 16 21:47:44 <JulienDev> readme: Yes sure :p
Jun 16 21:47:46 <readme> what kind of effect.. do you have a picture of a similar effect?
Jun 16 21:48:31 <joker_89> hi
Jun 16 21:48:37 <joker_89> anyone can help me? i am usiing this url to open : url1="http://www.cmt.es/estado-portabilidad-movil#SelectOption.do?tb_numMov=&jcaptcha=&Submit=Buscar&validar=1&tipo=buscar";
Jun 16 21:48:42 <joker_89> but the result is not the same
Jun 16 21:49:31 <JulienDev> readme: I thought about a view with a background color like that #88ffffff in overlay inside a selector
Jun 16 21:49:37 <ayami_nc> Myr: strange it return connection refused
Jun 16 21:49:48 <readme> JulienDev: did it work?
Jun 16 21:50:11 <JulienDev> yes it works with a duplicateParentState=true
Jun 16 21:50:47 <JulienDev> an the onClickListener on the parent of (view+imageview)
Jun 16 21:50:54 <JulienDev> but I don't know if it's a good way to do that
Jun 16 21:51:23 <readme> you could probably use a StateListDrawable for the top frame and just ignore onClick
Jun 16 21:51:31 <readme> just use state_pressed
Jun 16 21:51:56 <Myr> ayami_nc: well you will need to have that port open on your machine if you are going to connect from the outside
Jun 16 21:52:33 <ayami_nc> Myr: basically there is no any firewall, or native win browser, or some other thing, all is off :(
Jun 16 21:52:39 <joker_89> anyone can help me? thanks
Jun 16 21:53:42 <joker_89> with the opened url?
Jun 16 21:53:57 <JulienDev> readme: Ok, I see. I'll keep my solution :)
Jun 16 21:53:57 <SimonVT> can you ask a question that makes sense? thanks
Jun 16 21:54:45 <joker_89> [SimonVT] i don't know why if i open manually with firefox explorer the result is diferent that opened with java
Jun 16 21:55:04 <Fjornir> Different -how- ?
Jun 16 21:55:06 <JulienDev> joker_89: User agent?
Jun 16 21:55:09 <Myr> joker_89: the sourcecode is different?
Jun 16 21:55:17 <joker_89> yes the sourcecode is different
Jun 16 21:55:26 <joker_89> if you do it manually there are 2 error lines
Jun 16 21:55:36 <joker_89> but in java doesn't apper these red 2 error lines
Jun 16 21:57:26 <Myr> ayami_nc: but you can access the machine or just not that port?
Jun 16 21:58:50 <joker_89> :S
Jun 16 22:00:53 <ayami_nc> Myr: yup
Jun 16 22:01:01 <ayami_nc> ping comes fine, if i'm open some port it too comes fine
Jun 16 22:03:15 <ayami_nc> Myr: can you type some unicode symbol under adb? Like U+0120
Jun 16 22:03:33 <Myr> no idea
Jun 16 22:03:35 <ayami_nc> I'm typed fine, but it too comes non normal :(
Jun 16 22:04:24 <Myr> I think the problem lies with Windows
Jun 16 22:05:00 <ayami_nc> hmm settings or some else?
Jun 16 22:05:11 <jonasa> ;[
Jun 16 22:05:22 <Myr> Well, I could not say
Jun 16 22:05:45 <ayami_nc> Myr: okay thanks anyway :) i'm install sdk on linux and test it there :-D
Jun 16 22:05:56 <Myr> If I do it on any machine with Linux it works
Jun 16 22:06:08 <ayami_nc> thanks :)
Jun 16 22:06:35 <Myr> No problem
Jun 16 22:07:16 <ayami_nc> :)
Jun 16 22:08:49 <drpenguin> does anyone know of any good sites that offer some general good UI design principles for android apps? I want to really make my apps next version (2) look fantastic, like something that fits in the theme of ICS
Jun 16 22:09:09 <JakeWharton> android niceties
Jun 16 22:09:14 <JakeWharton> android ui patterns
Jun 16 22:09:19 <JakeWharton> the design guidelines themselves
Jun 16 22:09:50 <JakeWharton> holoeverywhere.com
Jun 16 22:10:44 <drpenguin> thanks
Jun 16 22:16:15 <Shaba1> JakeWharton should that not be http://developer.android.com/design/index.html
Jun 16 22:16:28 <JakeWharton> that was #3
Jun 16 22:16:32 <Shaba1> the site you gave is for the songs site.
Jun 16 22:17:14 <Shaba1> yes but did not contail a url.
Jun 16 22:18:03 <JakeWharton> i should hope he knew how to google
Jun 16 22:18:20 <jonasa> anyone of you knows a good firmware for my samsung galaxy s2?
Jun 16 22:18:29 <drpenguin> nope, I have no idea how to google
Jun 16 22:18:30 <SimonVT> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+design+guidelines
Jun 16 22:18:38 <SimonVT> No need for direct links
Jun 16 22:18:47 <drpenguin> because Im a fscking moron :P
Jun 16 22:20:04 <Shaba1> LOl
Jun 16 22:20:11 <Shaba1> nice animation SimonVT.
Jun 16 22:20:17 <Shaba1> How the heck did you do that?
Jun 16 22:20:37 <SimonVT> Magic
Jun 16 22:20:59 <SimonVT> Or maybe someone somewhere made a website that is not google, but looks like google, which animates a cursor, and inputs text
Jun 16 22:21:05 <JakeWharton> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you&l=1
Jun 16 22:21:06 <JakeWharton> recursion
Jun 16 22:21:18 <drpenguin> WOW. Did you seriously just do that
Jun 16 22:23:10 <Shaba1> Ok guys. newbie question #4
Jun 16 22:24:22 <Shaba1> when I make a public private key pair to sign my apps should the alias be my email address or the com.whatever.whatever package name I give the app when creating the project in eclipse.
Jun 16 22:24:38 <Shaba1> I still have not gotten a good handle on those package names
Jun 16 22:24:47 <drpenguin> I just used my dev alias
Jun 16 22:25:07 <Shaba1> and I do not have my own registered domain name and cannot afford to get one right now. If that is a question
Jun 16 22:25:29 <drpenguin> Um, you dont ned a registered dom naim
Jun 16 22:25:33 <drpenguin> s/naim/name
Jun 16 22:27:48 <Myr> you could use your own package name, as long as it is pretty much going to be unique
Jun 16 22:28:18 <Shaba1> all I have done if follow the hello world tutorial which uses com.example.helloandroid for the Package Name.
Jun 16 22:28:43 <SimonVT> Google java naming conventions, and look for package name
Jun 16 22:28:46 <Myr> shaba1.android.<somethingsomething>
Jun 16 22:31:04 <Fjornir> Just pick something which won't collide with a vendor's namespace of code you want to use. And, in the event thaqt you decide to publish something late on down the road find&replace with a real domain name before you publish.
Jun 16 22:31:14 <Shaba1> drpenguin your dev alias/
Jun 16 22:31:16 <Shaba1> ?
Jun 16 22:31:24 <drpenguin> Yeah, my Developer Name
Jun 16 22:31:47 <Shaba1> Ok
Jun 16 22:31:51 <Shaba1> hmmmm
Jun 16 22:31:55 <Shaba1> me thinks
Jun 16 22:32:24 <Shaba1> I am finding this all a lot easier to understand then I did 3 years ago when I first heard about android.
Jun 16 22:32:38 <Shaba1> the fog is slowly clearing but very slowly
Jun 16 22:32:47 <Myr> Well, you have had enough time to let it sink in :P
Jun 16 22:33:28 <Shaba1> well I have not been seriously back to android programming sinc like october of 2010
Jun 16 22:34:13 <Shaba1> I actually got and android phone just becasue I wanted a device to test things out on. Then never even looked at any of the tutorials I had on this laptop.
Jun 16 22:34:45 <Shaba1> I have time on my hands now and luckily I printed out and kept all of the tutorials and books I had from before.
Jun 16 22:35:59 <Shaba1> Ok after I make this key how do I tell eclipse where to look for it. I intend to put it on and encrypted drive on a flash drive.
Jun 16 22:36:16 <Myr> the api key or keystore?
Jun 16 22:36:32 <Shaba1> both.
Jun 16 22:36:49 <Shaba1> I am going to make 1 an api key to sign my apps
Jun 16 22:37:00 <Myr> api key, import it from the txtfile using absolute path
Jun 16 22:37:02 <Shaba1> 2. make a keystore to put that key into
Jun 16 22:37:12 <Myr> The keystore you can do from the settings
Jun 16 22:37:28 <Shaba1> then use the MD5 digest of that key to register for a google maps api key.
Jun 16 22:37:36 <Shaba1> I think that is the proper procedure.
Jun 16 22:37:50 <Myr> It is
Jun 16 22:38:41 <Shaba1> Ok Myr I just go confused by what you said becasue there were some words missing.
Jun 16 22:39:39 <Shaba1> <Myr> api key, import it from the txtfile using absolute path<---- I understood. just how do I get it into a text file is the question and how do I tell eclips to import it is the second question
Jun 16 22:40:09 <Shaba1> "<Myr> The keystore you can do from the settings"<---- What settings? Where in eclipse?
Jun 16 22:41:11 <Myr> uhhm
Jun 16 22:41:16 <Myr> Android settings
Jun 16 22:41:53 <Myr> I just shutdown the machine with android so I can't tell you the exact way :P
Jun 16 22:42:00 <Shaba1> Hold on firing up eclipse
Jun 16 22:43:34 <totic> Should you dimiss dialogs or cancel them if you call a finish inside of them?
Jun 16 22:43:45 <totic> or if you start an activity from them?
Jun 16 22:44:54 <drpenguin> totic: I usually call dismiss
Jun 16 22:45:27 <totic> just before the start and finish?
Jun 16 22:46:03 <totic> drpenguin:  just before calling startActivity or finish()?
Jun 16 22:46:16 <drpenguin> I think you would need to call dismiss before the finish call.. correct me if I am wrong, because I probably am, but I think you could run into a problem there.. like leaking Window Context.. or something
Jun 16 22:48:06 <totic> drpenguin: will add them
Jun 16 22:48:12 <totic> wasn't sure
Jun 16 22:48:40 <Shaba1> shucks
Jun 16 22:48:54 <totic> thanks!
Jun 16 22:50:48 <Shaba1> I will figure it out
Jun 16 22:50:49 <Shaba1> thans
Jun 16 22:50:51 <Shaba1> thaks
Jun 16 22:50:59 <Shaba1> Not leaving but going to make this key
Jun 16 22:51:21 <Shaba1> and hopefully find it and the keystore again
Jun 16 22:52:13 <totic> drpenguin: so does it matter where in the onClick the dismiss is ?
Jun 16 22:52:25 <totic> at the beginning or at the end
Jun 16 22:52:40 <drpenguin> totic: Whats in this onClick? is it more than the finish call?
Jun 16 22:53:08 <JakeWharton> finish is not synchronous so it doesn't matter where you call dismiss
Jun 16 22:53:49 <totic> onclick{ set some settings and then either finish or start another activity)
Jun 16 22:54:05 <JakeWharton> startActivity, also not synchronous
Jun 16 22:55:01 <totic> JakeWharton: does the code after a dismiss in the onclick still run if a dismiss is called on the dialog that contains the code?
Jun 16 22:55:21 <JakeWharton> yes
Jun 16 22:56:00 <drpenguin> totic: dismiss doesnt "return" out of the onClick, it just makes the Dialog go away
Jun 16 22:57:02 <totic> its what I thought but I have a memory leak so I am turning paranoid
Jun 16 22:59:25 <totic> specially when I get one of this: http://cl.ly/2m3n2D353W1A2E1V0X0s and I dont know what caused it since it was during monkey exerciser
Jun 16 23:01:47 <totic> that stacktrace is as helpful of shouting at a death person to get their attention
Jun 16 23:02:22 <JakeWharton> did you google it?
Jun 16 23:02:53 <totic> JakeWharton:  yes I have, but my app is very very very big
Jun 16 23:02:56 <totic> so its hard to know
Jun 16 23:03:43 <totic> and no, I am not using the ApplicationContext
Jun 16 23:03:51 <Myr> Well, the stacktrace should tell you the class where it was at when it decided to die
Jun 16 23:03:52 <totic> for my alerts
Jun 16 23:03:52 <Shaba1> what does it do totic?
Jun 16 23:04:08 <totic> its an enterprice program
Jun 16 23:04:20 <totic> nothing the public gets to play with
Jun 16 23:04:28 * ayami_nc installing ubuntu on notebook :-D i'm kick this droid bug anyway
Jun 16 23:06:15 <Shaba1> ok
Jun 16 23:06:49 <JakeWharton> *android
Jun 16 23:07:25 <Myr> don
Jun 16 23:07:53 <ayami_nc> :)
Jun 16 23:16:04 <Shaba1> Ok I think I figure it out
Jun 16 23:16:19 <Shaba1> thankd Myr and drpenguin
Jun 16 23:16:37 <Shaba1> and readme
Jun 16 23:27:58 <SidGBF> Hi all
Jun 16 23:28:22 <SidGBF> Im creating a small app in Eclipse ADT, and Im not finding the WebView component
Jun 16 23:37:19 <SidGBF> Anyone on?
Jun 16 23:39:48 <f2prateek_> just <Webview > in the layout editor
Jun 16 23:39:59 <f2prateek_> <WebVie />
Jun 16 23:40:08 <f2prateek_> *<WebView />
Jun 16 23:44:08 <SidGBF> f2prateek_: What "android:minSdkVersion" exactly means? It is giving me an error
Jun 16 23:45:43 <SidGBF> <uses-sdk> tag should specify a target API level (the highest verified version; when running on later versions, compatibility behaviors may be enabled) with android:targetSdkVersion="?"
Jun 16 23:45:55 <SidGBF> Im trying to use 3
Jun 16 23:46:04 <JakeWharton> 3?!?
Jun 16 23:46:16 <JakeWharton> you should be using something like 14 or 15 for targetSdkVersion
Jun 16 23:46:49 <JakeWharton> targetSdkVersion didn't even exist when API 3 was king
Jun 16 23:48:47 <SidGBF> lol
Jun 16 23:49:02 <Shaba1> guys newbie question #6 Is it not possible to visually make your layout in eclipse? And how?
Jun 16 23:49:21 <JakeWharton> Shaba1: no, not really
Jun 16 23:49:36 <JakeWharton> you can drag crap around in the layout editor thing but it usually spits out crappy layouts
Jun 16 23:49:39 <SidGBF> JakeWharton: and what if I want something very compatible to any device?
Jun 16 23:49:40 <JakeWharton> it's easier to just do it in XML
Jun 16 23:49:53 <JakeWharton> SidGBF: set the minSdkVersion to something like 4
Jun 16 23:50:03 <JakeWharton> most people use a min of 7 or 8 nowadays
Jun 16 23:50:56 <Shaba1> layout editor thing
Jun 16 23:51:03 <Shaba1> what is that and how do I get to it?
Jun 16 23:51:31 <JakeWharton> click on a layout XML and Eclipse will probably shove it into your face
Jun 16 23:51:34 <SidGBF> I live in Brazil, it isn't hard to imagine a 1.5 android around
Jun 16 23:52:13 <Shaba1> If I can find it in the package explorer
Jun 16 23:52:15 <Shaba1> hold on
Jun 16 23:52:26 <Shaba1> eclipse is slowly coming up
Jun 16 23:55:14 <Younos> my minSdkVersion is 8 aswell
Jun 16 23:56:27 <Shaba1> Ok this only has and AndroidManifest.xml Probably becasue it is just one line hello world
Jun 16 23:56:47 <Shaba1> I will try later with something more complicated but I think I know what you mean JakeWharton
Jun 16 23:56:52 <Younos> but it's great if you can manage to create minSdkVersion 3 apps
Jun 17 00:01:19 <snuy> from a background service is it possible to remove the default browser's activity from the foreground?
Jun 17 00:06:22 <readme> why would you want to do that
Jun 17 00:08:50 <JakeWharton> ReachOutAndPunchUserInTheFaceService
Jun 17 00:09:20 <readme> HideBrowserAndDisplayFakeAntiVirusOfferService
Jun 17 00:13:17 <readme> hm, intellij bug i've been complaining about doesn't show up in xfce4.
Jun 17 00:13:19 <readme> ;)
Jun 17 00:13:25 <readme> mate is a poorly maintained fork.
Jun 17 00:15:10 <SidGBF> That's weird
Jun 17 00:15:29 <readme> also full-screening chromium does not work properly in mate.
Jun 17 00:15:37 <SidGBF> What sdk version I need to eclipse show me the webview component?
Jun 17 00:15:42 <readme> it's some window manager thing it's simply not implementing right
Jun 17 00:16:15 <readme> since right in the docs: "Since: API Level 1"
Jun 17 00:16:22 <readme> says, rather.
Jun 17 00:17:55 <SidGBF> readme: well, something is wrong on here
Jun 17 00:18:26 <readme> what is wrong
Jun 17 00:18:56 <SidGBF> readme: I can't find the webview component in the design tool
Jun 17 00:19:01 <SidGBF> neither in autocomplete
Jun 17 00:19:03 <readme> the design tool sucks. don't use it
Jun 17 00:19:08 <readme> just code XML and use it as a preview
Jun 17 00:19:22 <sukramTM> Should I use in the layout xml dp or dip for padding?
Jun 17 00:19:27 <SidGBF> readme: even the autocomplete doesn't work
Jun 17 00:19:31 <readme> dp is the same as dp, just use one
Jun 17 00:19:33 <readme> dip*
Jun 17 00:19:44 <sukramTM> ok
Jun 17 00:19:50 <readme> SidGBF: are you in the latest tools and everything?
Jun 17 00:19:59 <readme> Screenshot or something
Jun 17 00:20:17 <SidGBF> readme: Im trying to use a low sdk
Jun 17 00:20:39 <SidGBF> the manifest keeps bothering about "<uses-sdk> tag should specify a target API level (the highest verified version; when running on later versions, compatibility behaviors may be enabled) with android:targetSdkVersion="?""
Jun 17 00:21:05 <readme> that's correct
Jun 17 00:21:15 <readme> you should target the highest possible SDK and then set the min to the lowest possible SDK
Jun 17 00:23:02 <Shaba1> Ok I have a Map API key for my debug keystor
Jun 17 00:23:18 <Shaba1> I will use it to test out making and Map app for testing
Jun 17 00:23:22 <readme> the maps api key does not go in the keystore.
Jun 17 00:23:22 <Shaba1> thanks for all the help guys
Jun 17 00:23:31 <readme> they are completely different things
Jun 17 00:26:04 <Younos> i made an sdk3 app but the AndroidManifest.xml does not allow targetSdkVersion. it does allow typing <WebView/> in the layout xml view
Jun 17 00:27:02 <readme> you don't have to build against an old android jar just to have your app run on api level 3
Jun 17 00:27:02 <SidGBF> well, once it doesn't show the webview, I need to ask: I want to have a LinearLayout on the top, a LinearLayout at the bottom, those will be like button place holders. And in the middle the webview.
Jun 17 00:27:11 <readme> build against the latest jar.
Jun 17 00:28:22 <SidGBF> readme: and how to make it work on low level ones?
Jun 17 00:29:22 <readme> set minsdk and don't use any classes that aren't available in the lower version
Jun 17 00:29:43 <SidGBF>  readme got it
Jun 17 00:29:48 <readme> if you do, check this first: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Build.VERSION.html
Jun 17 00:29:55 <readme> with an if statement
Jun 17 00:33:05 <Shaba1> Guy is it normal for a project created in eclipse not to have a main.xml file or a layout.xml file
Jun 17 00:33:17 <Shaba1> Sorry if that sound obwious.
Jun 17 00:33:58 <f2prateek_> its not a requirement
Jun 17 00:34:17 <Shaba1> I seem to remember from the projects that I dabbled in 3 years about that those are automagically generated.
Jun 17 00:34:30 <SimonVT> They are
Jun 17 00:34:38 <readme> you should learn to make projects without eclipse, just so you know what you're doing
Jun 17 00:34:42 <Shaba1> and this new tutorial project that I just started does not have either of them
Jun 17 00:34:45 <Leeds> did you create a library project or something?
Jun 17 00:34:57 <Shaba1> library project?
Jun 17 00:35:06 <Shaba1> I have no idea what that is.
Jun 17 00:35:15 <SidGBF> readme: What's the best way to have a 3 row layout, where the bottom and the top layouts are wrap_content and the middle is fill_parrent
Jun 17 00:35:33 <readme> the best way is to use a single RelativeLayout
Jun 17 00:36:11 <readme> but to acheive the 'button rows' you're going to need to use a LinearLayout with weights. Unless you want to be less picky about that, or write multiple layouts for different screens (which you should)
Jun 17 00:37:05 <SidGBF> readme: what's the advantage of having a lot of screens?
Jun 17 00:37:11 <Shaba1> Leeds and SimonVT how do I get those files
Jun 17 00:37:17 <readme> SidGBF: try the solutions first and see
Jun 17 00:37:22 <Shaba1> Well how do I get eclipse to generate them
Jun 17 00:37:31 <SidGBF> it is really a simple project (4 buttons in the bottom, 2 in the top)
Jun 17 00:37:47 <readme> cool -- and it is your project, not ours :)
Jun 17 00:37:52 <readme> ask a question when you get stuck
Jun 17 00:38:53 <Younos> i should ditch eclipse?
Jun 17 00:39:38 <Younos> go with maven or something
Jun 17 00:39:47 <Shaba1> Leeds?
Jun 17 00:39:59 <SimonVT> Using maven doesn't mean you can't use eclipse
Jun 17 00:40:04 <JakeWharton> eclipse is an IDE, maven is a build system
Jun 17 00:40:05 <Leeds> Shaba1: I normally create files with vim
Jun 17 00:40:29 <Shaba1> arrg
Jun 17 00:40:34 <Younos> haha :)
Jun 17 00:40:55 <readme> join the cult of intellij
Jun 17 00:41:37 <readme> it's better but if you choose it you're going to have to figure stuff out on your own.
Jun 17 00:42:20 <readme> also it has retarded keybindings
Jun 17 00:42:23 <readme> but I am dealing with that
Jun 17 00:42:25 <Younos> yes, i can imagine that. i dont mind figuring stuff out, but i do like the whole debugging
Jun 17 00:42:35 <readme> it has better interactive debugging
Jun 17 00:42:49 <readme> when you step into compiled code the experience is much less frustrating\
Jun 17 00:44:19 <Younos> i'm trying learn opengl, and just started simple with java/eclipse/video tutorials, but already java is kind of slow because at api8 you have to push the vertex buffers to the card every frame
Jun 17 00:44:29 <Shaba1> SimonVT?
Jun 17 00:44:41 <Younos> so i'm hesitant, but i should dive into it more, maybe start looking at the ndk
Jun 17 00:45:22 <SimonVT> SimonVT.
Jun 17 00:47:35 <Shaba1> SimonVT how do I get eclipse to make those files automatically?>
Jun 17 00:48:20 <SimonVT> ADT creates those files by default, when making a new android project
Jun 17 00:48:33 <SimonVT> So either your installed is fucked, or you fucked up
Jun 17 00:49:06 <Goldev> trying to 'make' the source for the LG Viper from the official viper source and get from make that my java version 1.6.0_24 is the incorrect version ad that JavaSE 1.6 is the correct version.. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 and sun-java6-jdk is not available I did follow the steps at http://source.android.com/source/download.html. any hints?
Jun 17 00:50:48 <Shaba1> OH that is helpful
Jun 17 00:52:54 <readme> there are video tutorials in youtube
Jun 17 00:53:22 <readme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q316eild9CQ
Jun 17 00:56:53 <Goldev> found the work around. building now :)
Jun 17 00:57:59 <Shaba1> that did not help at all read me
Jun 17 00:58:10 <Shaba1> I know how to create a project in eclipse
Jun 17 00:58:43 <Shaba1> what I was asking was why main.xml and layout.xml are not being created when I create on
Jun 17 00:58:45 <Shaba1> one
Jun 17 01:02:59 <Shaba1> Ok I found them
Jun 17 01:03:12 <Shaba1> they were hidden inside and icon
Jun 17 01:15:49 <totic> how should I deal with AsynchTasks when the user clicks the home button?
Jun 17 01:16:05 <totic> my app doesnt do change of configurations since its always in portrait mode
Jun 17 01:17:32 <readme> when another activity takes the foreground onPause will always be called.
Jun 17 01:17:35 <readme> you handle it in onPause
Jun 17 01:19:05 <codefriar> Anyone know how to include an apklib or android library project to an intellij project
Jun 17 01:19:38 <readme> look at the module settings
Jun 17 01:21:02 <totic> readme: what should I do to the asynchtask ?
Jun 17 01:23:19 <readme> stop it
Jun 17 01:23:28 <readme> you shouldn't run 'background threads' from an activity
Jun 17 01:23:37 <readme> if it needs to be a long-running task you should move it into a Service
Jun 17 01:23:57 <readme> so the only logical thing to do in onPause is stop the thread.
Jun 17 01:24:19 <totic> it calls a webservice and populates the gui or sets some variables in the Application class
Jun 17 01:25:12 <readme> ewww
Jun 17 01:25:18 <readme> > sets some  variables in the Application class
Jun 17 01:25:44 <totic> readme:  care to add a couple of more comments to that?
Jun 17 01:25:49 <gaz`> haha
Jun 17 01:26:08 <readme> it's just going to make it hard later when you are trying to figure out why X activity or service doesn't have the state it requires in the application class
Jun 17 01:26:21 <readme> I write my code so that if the state isn't there, the class throws an IllegalStateException
Jun 17 01:26:34 <readme> I pass an state-object in via Intent
Jun 17 01:26:38 <readme> to each activity
Jun 17 01:26:52 <readme> I use a helper method so I don't have to recode the logic for each activity or use inheritance.
Jun 17 01:27:11 <totic> I just use the application class, is that a big android faux pas?
Jun 17 01:27:34 <readme> it's pretty much a faux pas for all programming projects to use a singleton to keep global state, imo
Jun 17 01:27:35 <gaz`> readme hows ur helper work? static?
Jun 17 01:27:57 <readme> gaz`: yeah. IntenHelper.getStateOrThrow(Activity ...)
Jun 17 01:28:07 <readme> IntentHelper.startActivityWithState(...)
Jun 17 01:28:17 <readme> except I don't call it 'state' usually
Jun 17 01:28:21 <gaz`> sweetness
Jun 17 01:28:34 <gaz`> do u keep ansuper class for activities
Jun 17 01:28:38 <readme> nope
Jun 17 01:28:42 <totic> ok but how is that different than just grabbing the application at the beginning?
Jun 17 01:28:49 <totic> and setting variables to it?
Jun 17 01:28:54 <gaz`> seems like so much code duplication each activity
Jun 17 01:29:10 <readme> totic: because it makes it clear that the dependencies of the class are required inputs
Jun 17 01:29:25 <gaz`> nowadays i never make a new activity, i just think ofone from the past that similar copy n paste it then tweak it
Jun 17 01:29:29 <readme> if you just access a global from somewhere in the middle of your class it's not easy to: mock that value, or realize it's a dependency
Jun 17 01:29:47 <mgj> readme, can you elaborate on your helper method? Is it just a StartXActivity() which creates the appropriate intent?
Jun 17 01:29:55 <readme> draw a graph of all your classes on paper and see what it looks like.. a dependency graph
Jun 17 01:30:07 <readme> if you use globals it will look like a rats nest where all classes have to depend on one
Jun 17 01:30:10 <readme> breaks modularity
Jun 17 01:30:14 <totic> readme: most of the activities are just reading the data
Jun 17 01:30:25 <totic> that gets passed at the beginning from a server
Jun 17 01:30:28 <mgj> or is there more to it
Jun 17 01:30:29 <readme> you're free to take my advice or leave it
Jun 17 01:30:38 <SimonVT> What's "the beginning"?
Jun 17 01:30:53 <readme> mgj: it's basically a wrapper around creating an Intent, packing extras, and starting an activity
Jun 17 01:31:04 <readme> I also pass the activity to be started in as Class<?> clazz
Jun 17 01:31:16 <totic> SimonVT: at login the user types in a password/username and gets a bunch of data from a server
Jun 17 01:31:29 <mgj> ok, thanks
Jun 17 01:31:40 <totic> readme: yes ofcourse thanks, I am just trying to understand
Jun 17 01:31:45 <readme> np
Jun 17 01:31:45 <manchicken_> Howdy all.
Jun 17 01:31:50 <SidGBF> mmm
Jun 17 01:31:59 <SimonVT> What if user is in Activity5, your process is reclaimed, and then user returns to Activity5? No more state in your application class
Jun 17 01:33:49 <totic> SimonVT: why shouldn't there be? the application has basically one piece of data that doesnt change and a bunch of different ways to view them in different activities
Jun 17 01:34:27 <manchicken> Does anybody know if Samsung is opening any interfaces into S-Voice?
Jun 17 01:34:38 <SimonVT> Your process was reclaimed. Your class instances are GC'd
Jun 17 01:34:38 <SidGBF> readme: Dude, layout_weight isn't showing up on LinearLayouts
Jun 17 01:34:52 <manchicken> I'm wondering what sort of access to that functionality user-land code has to those features.
Jun 17 01:35:28 <totic> oh you mean if the application class gets garbage collected?? and all the state is gone?
Jun 17 01:35:33 <totic> that would really fuck it up
Jun 17 01:35:34 <SimonVT> yes
Jun 17 01:35:46 <readme> SidGBF: paste code
Jun 17 01:35:47 <totic> SimonVT:  thanks hadn't thought about that
Jun 17 01:36:05 <totic> SimonVT: I guess I should change all that to go into a database
Jun 17 01:36:16 <SimonVT> That's why you do what readme said, pass data in an intent
Jun 17 01:36:20 <SimonVT> Or yeah, persist it
Jun 17 01:36:23 <SidGBF> read
Jun 17 01:36:26 <SidGBF> sorry
Jun 17 01:36:30 <SidGBF> readme: wait
Jun 17 01:36:31 <Jabo> java is definitely my favourite language
Jun 17 01:36:56 <Jabo> been learning objective c in ios recently
Jun 17 01:37:09 <Jabo> much prefer java
Jun 17 01:37:13 <DigitalKiwi> how the FUCK is java your favorite language
Jun 17 01:37:17 <totic> SimonVT: which db do you recommend?
Jun 17 01:37:24 <DigitalKiwi> and i don't normally swear here
Jun 17 01:37:46 <Jabo> what's yours DigitalKiwi?
Jun 17 01:37:48 <SimonVT> The one android supports natively
Jun 17 01:37:51 <readme> what language do you think is better than java?
Jun 17 01:37:52 <DigitalKiwi> do you just not know (m)any other languages?
Jun 17 01:38:07 <totic> DigitalKiwi: its not my favorite but I like the documentation that it has
Jun 17 01:38:09 <Jabo> don't be a dick Kiwi
Jun 17 01:38:13 <manchicken> Objective-C is okay. Java is okay. I can't really say that either of them is my favorite.
Jun 17 01:38:17 <DigitalKiwi> i'm not being a dick
Jun 17 01:38:27 <DigitalKiwi> i'm just saying that java is a horrible language
Jun 17 01:38:32 <readme> guys no java flame wars
Jun 17 01:38:33 <readme> stfu
Jun 17 01:38:35 <DigitalKiwi> if you want JVM compatibl use scala
Jun 17 01:38:36 <totic> I miss passing functions
Jun 17 01:38:38 <readme> take it to #ruby fanbois
Jun 17 01:38:46 <SidGBF> http://pastebin.com/eLDXkgCM
Jun 17 01:39:32 <DigitalKiwi> but seriously, java is an OK language, there are worse for sure, but there are tons of other nicer ones
Jun 17 01:39:47 <mgj> like php!
Jun 17 01:39:49 * mgj hides
Jun 17 01:39:59 <DigitalKiwi> i hope you were saying that is one of the worse ones ;p
Jun 17 01:40:01 <manchicken> I wish Android supported Go. I've been wanting to play with Go for a while, just haven't found a use for it.
Jun 17 01:40:12 <manchicken> I'm going to force myself to do something in the app engine with it some day.
Jun 17 01:40:39 <SidGBF> each language has it's use even BASH files have :p
Jun 17 01:40:49 <Jabo> they say that if you know java the world is your oyster
Jun 17 01:41:01 <DigitalKiwi> they say that about wanting to kill yourself too
Jun 17 01:41:07 <totic> has anybody used mongo in Android?
Jun 17 01:41:07 <DigitalKiwi> coincidentally the two are related
Jun 17 01:41:11 <Jabo> haha
Jun 17 01:41:18 <manchicken> BASH is amazingly useful… whereas Java serves the same purpose that many other languages would be adequate serving as well.
Jun 17 01:41:46 <manchicken> At work we use KSH, code ported from HPUX… I never thought I would long for BASH… but I do.
Jun 17 01:41:47 <SidGBF> write a suggestion to google ;)
Jun 17 01:41:47 <mgj> Except no other language is, AFAIK, supported by as many platforms as java
Jun 17 01:41:57 <zined> ohai, i just found my old ADP1 in some box, can anyone give me a quick update on where to get current information (latest runnable firmware, etc) from? :)
Jun 17 01:42:13 <SidGBF> (trying to avoid the discussion)
Jun 17 01:42:15 <Jabo> mgj, maybe html
Jun 17 01:42:19 <Jabo> if you can count that
Jun 17 01:42:23 <DigitalKiwi> mgj: scala, clojure, and perhaps some others i'm unaware of
Jun 17 01:42:23 <SidGBF> c
Jun 17 01:42:24 <readme> java was the best possible choice google could have made for Android, they went to great lengths to make sure they could use it.
Jun 17 01:42:41 <mgj> DigitalKiwi, i should perhaps have said JVM instead of java
Jun 17 01:42:46 <manchicken> readme: Java was *A* possible choice.
Jun 17 01:42:48 <SidGBF> and PWNED Sun/Oracle :D
Jun 17 01:42:54 <readme> no, it was *the* best choice
Jun 17 01:43:12 <manchicken> I disagree.
Jun 17 01:43:14 <readme> name a language and platform that would have been better?
Jun 17 01:43:55 <mgj> c# ?
Jun 17 01:44:02 <OxDeadC0de> c++  with a set of standard libs. C# is a joke.
Jun 17 01:44:11 <mgj> c# is a joke, really?
Jun 17 01:44:11 <readme> mgj: you may actually have something with that answer :)
Jun 17 01:44:15 <SidGBF> readme: got the link?
Jun 17 01:44:20 <readme> got a link to what?
Jun 17 01:44:24 <manchicken> Python, Ruby, C# Mono, Obj-C, etc.
Jun 17 01:44:24 <SidGBF> http://pastebin.com/eLDXkgCM
Jun 17 01:44:45 <readme> manchicken: python does not have the concurrency support java has
Jun 17 01:45:10 <readme> SidGBF: what am I looking for here?
Jun 17 01:45:11 <manchicken> Yeah… because they totally made the best use of that in Android.
Jun 17 01:45:21 <readme> you put the weights on the buttons, they are asum
Jun 17 01:46:04 <readme> please take a peek at java.util.concurrent
Jun 17 01:46:18 <brx_> http://pastebin.com/cYwmvjHV would appreciate some help
Jun 17 01:46:19 <SidGBF> readme: well, the weight is to height too?
Jun 17 01:46:22 <readme> python doesn't even come close to java in terms of concurrency
Jun 17 01:46:29 <readme> a far, far cry
Jun 17 01:46:54 <readme> also, I love python.
Jun 17 01:47:03 <readme> I have a few open source projects in python
Jun 17 01:47:05 <manchicken> Again, Android isn't really making great use of it.
Jun 17 01:47:11 <readme> I make good use of it
Jun 17 01:47:57 <manchicken> Erlang has concurrency rivaling that of Java.
Jun 17 01:48:05 <totic> what is the easiest to use database for android?
Jun 17 01:48:08 <manchicken> s/rivaling/wiping its ass with/
Jun 17 01:48:17 <brx_> totic: sqlite3
Jun 17 01:48:37 <readme> ok manchicken -- go write your apps in erlang then
Jun 17 01:48:41 <totic> thanks
Jun 17 01:48:52 <manchicken> I'm not saying they made the wrong choice… I'm just saying that they made that choice for more than technical reasons.
Jun 17 01:49:06 <manchicken> readme: They didn't give me much of a choice, did they?
Jun 17 01:49:07 <readme> SidGBF: weight will effect based on the orientation of the LinearLayout
Jun 17 01:49:14 <readme> manchicken: they? anyone can write a compiler
Jun 17 01:49:26 <SidGBF> readme: I think I found what I was looking for
Jun 17 01:49:29 <readme> http://www.basic4ppc.com/
Jun 17 01:49:35 <readme> go develop in basic if you want
Jun 17 01:51:59 <totic> brx_: is there any NoSql db for android?
Jun 17 01:52:32 <brx_> NoSql? sounds a bit counter intuitive to me
Jun 17 01:52:37 <manchicken> Yes, because you making ridiculous assertions totally makes it necessary for me to concede your point.
Jun 17 01:52:47 <totic> brx_:  mongo for example
Jun 17 01:52:58 <brx_> why not use sqlite?
Jun 17 01:53:06 <DigitalKiwi> sqlite isn't web scale
Jun 17 01:53:07 <mgj> Why would you want NoSQL totic ?
Jun 17 01:53:19 <DigitalKiwi> mongodb is web scale
Jun 17 01:53:21 <mgj> who cares about scaling a db that is going to run on a phone
Jun 17 01:53:31 <readme> lol webscale
Jun 17 01:53:33 <DigitalKiwi> :)
Jun 17 01:53:42 <readme> mgj: someone naive who hasn't realized DigitalKiwi is being sarcastic?
Jun 17 01:53:49 <totic> its just non relational
Jun 17 01:53:54 <DigitalKiwi> http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6995033/mongo-db-is-web-scale
Jun 17 01:53:55 <manchicken> totic: I'm not sure you would want to run something like MongoDB - or other document database - on a mobile device.
Jun 17 01:53:58 <brx_> guys answer my pastebin question please
Jun 17 01:53:59 <mgj> readme, was adressing totic
Jun 17 01:54:06 <readme> some people here do "nosql" on android with files
Jun 17 01:54:10 <readme> save a file of json
Jun 17 01:54:12 <readme> open it
Jun 17 01:54:13 <readme> nosql!
Jun 17 01:54:18 <manchicken> totic: If you're talking about nosql to the cloud, that'd be different.
Jun 17 01:54:26 <totic> manchicken: no cloud
Jun 17 01:54:30 <Leeds> brx_: how about asking a question rather than asking anyone who wants to help to go load up a web page?
Jun 17 01:54:32 <totic> just non relational databases
Jun 17 01:54:37 <readme> how 2 install android on heroku?
Jun 17 01:54:52 <brx_> its a long question Leeds
Jun 17 01:54:59 <SidGBF> readme: Im trying something like this. Where the sizes of the button panels are kinda fixed and the webview fills the remaining space
Jun 17 01:55:08 <brx_> its something I havnt done before and dont want to fill the channel
Jun 17 01:55:10 <Leeds> brx_: summarising is an important skill
Jun 17 01:55:16 <readme> SidGBF: you can use weights for that
Jun 17 01:55:27 <readme> your outer layout needs to be a LinearLayout w/vertical orientation.
Jun 17 01:55:32 <SidGBF> readme: webview has no weight
Jun 17 01:55:34 <mgj> totic, the only benefit NoSQL gives you is easy scaling.... Im still waiting for an answer as to why you want NoSQL?
Jun 17 01:55:35 <readme> wrap content on the button bars
Jun 17 01:55:36 <manchicken> totic: Using JSON serialized files could be where you want to go with that.
Jun 17 01:55:43 <brx_> ok Leeds ill try for you :)
Jun 17 01:55:50 <SidGBF> readme: oh, now makes sense
Jun 17 01:55:53 <readme> SidGBF: the outer layout needs to be linear :)
Jun 17 01:56:09 <Leeds> brx_: er... you'll try for *you*, assuming you're looking for help with something
Jun 17 01:56:25 <brx_> yes of course
Jun 17 01:56:26 <SimonVT> brx_: Don't extend ArrayAdapter, extend BaseAdapter
Jun 17 01:56:36 <SimonVT> Make your own methods that take however many strings you need
Jun 17 01:57:05 <SimonVT> Also, don't keep two separate lists
Jun 17 01:57:28 <brx_> ok thanks SimonVT  thanks
Jun 17 01:58:02 <totic> mgj: I have just worked in the past with mongo, and love the fact I just declare my models, and save them by just writing .save() on them, dont have to worry about writing tables and inserts, updates, etc. Its just more elegant
Jun 17 01:58:18 <mgj> easy != elegant
Jun 17 01:58:19 <SidGBF> readme: I think I just found a way
Jun 17 01:58:32 <mgj> totic, use sqlite
Jun 17 01:58:59 <totic> mgj: I guess if I must....
Jun 17 01:59:21 <mgj> or a file containing json or whatever format you fancy, as already suggested
Jun 17 01:59:26 <totic> has anybody done anything as crazy as serialize java objects?
Jun 17 01:59:36 <readme> i wouldnt consider that to be 'crazy'
Jun 17 02:00:04 <totic> just serialize the objects and store them
Jun 17 02:00:15 <totic> and forget about having to deal with inserts and what nots
Jun 17 02:00:18 <readme> for storage i think it's a lousy option but it's easy to do
Jun 17 02:00:26 <mgj> im 99% sure you want to learn sql
Jun 17 02:00:30 <SidGBF> YES! It worked!
Jun 17 02:00:55 <readme> hm, I wish there was anything left for me to have that kind of reaction to
Jun 17 02:00:56 <readme> ;)
Jun 17 02:01:10 * readme needs to learn harder things
Jun 17 02:01:16 <totic> mgj:  I have done sql before, just not feeling like dealing with it, I just want to have my models backed by something in case Android decides to garbage collect them "just because"
Jun 17 02:01:19 <SidGBF> readme http://pastebin.com/b0Djzk6c
Jun 17 02:01:28 <mgj> Go solve complexity problems or make an AI that passes the touring test
Jun 17 02:01:33 <mgj> that should keep you occupied for some time
Jun 17 02:01:39 <readme> SidGBF: wow, that works?
Jun 17 02:01:46 <manchicken> totic: You could do what you described with basic serialization.
Jun 17 02:01:47 <readme> that's pretty slick
Jun 17 02:02:01 <totic> manchicken: yeah I am thinking of that
Jun 17 02:02:10 <manchicken> totic: In my github I have some basic convenience decorators for org.json.
Jun 17 02:02:11 <totic> what are "Local Binders:" in meminfo ?
Jun 17 02:02:15 <SidGBF> readme: yeah... when I was doing I tought "that's a BIG work around" and it was pretty simple
Jun 17 02:02:23 <totic> manchicken: link me! :)
Jun 17 02:02:25 <readme> that changes a lot for me =O
Jun 17 02:02:26 <mgj> totic, oh so you want persistant data? Then why consider NoSQL? Mongo does not offer *any* transactional guarentees
Jun 17 02:02:32 <manchicken> One second
Jun 17 02:02:34 * readme needs to try some stuff.
Jun 17 02:02:52 <manchicken> totic: https://github.com/manchicken
Jun 17 02:02:53 <codefriar> Anyone know how to include an apklib or android library project to an intellij project
Jun 17 02:03:08 <manchicken> Nothing fantastic, I just started throwing stuff up there a couple of days ago.
Jun 17 02:03:49 <totic> manchicken: cool i'll give it a read thanks
Jun 17 02:07:34 <SidGBF> readme: what changes a lot?
Jun 17 02:11:14 <readme> SidGBF: you might as well use one single RelativeLayout
Jun 17 02:11:20 <readme> SidGBF: i'd been using weights to do that
Jun 17 02:11:38 <readme> didn't know using above & below together would restrict the size of a view.
Jun 17 02:12:00 <SidGBF> readme: it was a lucky shot... thank God :)
Jun 17 02:13:19 <SidGBF> readme: do you have published apps?
Jun 17 02:13:22 <readme> my experiment shows you still need weights if you want things to share evenly, but if the size of one or more of the views is known or wrap_content, then your solution works
Jun 17 02:13:25 <readme> yeah
Jun 17 02:17:49 <SidGBF> readme: top and bottom are wrap :)
Jun 17 02:17:57 <readme> yeah, I have it coded here as well
Jun 17 02:18:06 <readme> but it would be nice if it worked without that requirement
Jun 17 02:18:11 <SidGBF> basically it simulates html's float
Jun 17 02:18:18 <readme> like, you could have three views take even space within RelativeLayout
Jun 17 02:18:22 <readme> without needing to specify the size
Jun 17 02:18:35 <SidGBF> readme: indeed
Jun 17 02:55:18 <brx_> SimonVT: i love you and i want to have your babies
Jun 17 02:58:24 <drpenguin> brx_: what the..
Jun 17 02:58:41 <manchicken> Hey, does anybody know how to guarantee that I'm accessing the SD card? I thought I could use Environment.getExternalStoragePublicDirectory(), but it's going for subdirectories that don't exist. It seems to be going to internal storage.
Jun 17 02:59:33 <brx_> Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory()
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