**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 17 02:59:59 2012
Jun 17 03:01:04 <manchicken> Isn't that private?
Jun 17 03:01:53 <brx_> i just know that when i want to access the sdcard i use Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory()
Jun 17 03:02:28 <manchicken> Righto.
Jun 17 03:02:28 <leslie> I don't think external storage is ever private, manchicken
Jun 17 03:02:57 <leslie> it has no permissions capabilities
Jun 17 03:03:20 <manchicken> Hmm… my Xoom is giving me internal storage. Boo.
Jun 17 03:04:06 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Context.html#getExternalFilesDir(java.lang.String)
Jun 17 03:04:08 <wongk-home> new android control: https://github.com/wongk/MultiSelectSpinner
Jun 17 03:04:09 <readme> try that
Jun 17 03:04:20 <drpenguin> looking at the function signature.. http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html#getExternalStorageDirectory()
Jun 17 03:04:59 <readme> does your XOOM have an SD card plugged in?
Jun 17 03:05:47 <readme> some devices will use an 'internal external' dir if you don't have an sdcard
Jun 17 03:06:08 <drpenguin> And what version of Android is the Xoom running? it might predate the update that enabled sdcard functionality.. but thats doubtful
Jun 17 03:06:57 <manchicken> That's the thing, I do.
Jun 17 03:07:05 <manchicken> My Xoom is running 4.0.4.
Jun 17 03:09:14 <JakeWharton> XOOM's external storage is internal, like most new phones
Jun 17 03:09:19 <JakeWharton> the SD Card slot is separate
Jun 17 03:09:22 <T-Dub|DlolPics> On my Asus Transformer, using Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(); returns internal memeory not the sd card
Jun 17 03:09:33 <T-Dub|DlolPics> But on my dx2 and d1 it uses the sdcard
Jun 17 03:10:14 <slie> Is there a way I can record from both cameras on my phone at the same time?
Jun 17 03:12:30 <T-Dub|DlolPics> No idea
Jun 17 03:12:48 <T-Dub|DlolPics> If it is two seperate methods, just apply each method to a different thread
Jun 17 03:12:52 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Maybe?
Jun 17 03:13:16 <slie> I read somone did that and he couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work
Jun 17 03:13:51 <slie> so they assumed it was not supported
Jun 17 03:15:09 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Try activating one after another?
Jun 17 03:15:18 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I don't know how the camera works, never used it.
Jun 17 03:17:45 <JakeWharton> you know what'd I'd do if I had a million dollars?
Jun 17 03:17:51 <JakeWharton> record from two cameras at the same time
Jun 17 03:18:55 <readme> if I had a million dollars i'd buy commodities
Jun 17 03:19:08 <readme> otherwise you might as well just spend it all on booze
Jun 17 03:20:33 <SidGBF> readme: where can I check your apps?
Jun 17 03:20:49 <readme> i'll pm
Jun 17 03:20:50 <manchicken> In what way is booze not a commodity?
Jun 17 03:21:05 <manchicken> Delicious commodity...
Jun 17 03:21:12 <readme> good point.. i would drink it though
Jun 17 03:22:01 <JakeWharton> can I access the data of another app if I'm signed with the same key?
Jun 17 03:22:37 <readme> thats what i've heard
Jun 17 03:22:41 <readme> but I haven't tried yet
Jun 17 03:25:26 <JakeWharton> we have development versions of our apps for internal use that have all kinds of cool things enabled but i'm wondering if those can just be packaged into a standalone app and deployed alongside the normal production builds signed with the development key
Jun 17 03:25:35 <JakeWharton> that would greatly simplify the build
Jun 17 03:25:55 <readme> ah, that makes tons of sense
Jun 17 03:26:01 <readme> I have stuff like that too
Jun 17 03:26:08 <drpenguin> kind of like a dynamic library kinda deal but in app form?
Jun 17 03:26:09 <readme> like sqlite database export code
Jun 17 03:26:11 <drpenguin> interesting concept
Jun 17 03:27:39 <manchicken> So how do you get the SD storage then?
Jun 17 03:27:57 <manchicken> Googling much, not coming back with much.
Jun 17 03:28:02 <manchicken> Not much useful anyway.
Jun 17 03:28:23 <manchicken> I just see a lot of people hard-coding /mnt/sdcard.
Jun 17 03:29:11 <manchicken> I suppose I could just find everything under /mnt and then hit each entry with isExternalStorageRemovable()...
Jun 17 03:30:01 <JakeWharton> http://developer.motorola.com/docs/motorola-external-storage-api/
Jun 17 03:30:25 <manchicken> Yikes, device-specific...
Jun 17 03:30:38 <readme> use your idea
Jun 17 03:30:47 <readme> just check '/mnt/sdcard' first
Jun 17 03:30:52 <readme> then iterate after that if it's not the right one
Jun 17 03:31:03 <readme> best case O(1)
Jun 17 03:31:17 <JakeWharton> manchicken: it's device specific but they present it in a way that it will work on any device
Jun 17 03:31:23 <manchicken> I suppose in their attempts to "differentiate" they have found it acceptable to make their devices less useful :)
Jun 17 03:32:09 <JakeWharton> s/less/more/
Jun 17 03:32:10 <g00s> moto also has other aux apis, like security for example
Jun 17 03:32:23 <g00s> htc has opensense
Jun 17 03:32:31 <g00s> *opensense sdk
Jun 17 03:32:40 <JakeWharton> that's different g00s
Jun 17 03:32:44 <JakeWharton> those are full ROMs
Jun 17 03:32:50 <JakeWharton> the XOOM is running stock Android
Jun 17 03:33:45 <readme> anyone here have a 13" macbook pro
Jun 17 03:33:59 <manchicken> I have the 2009 one.
Jun 17 03:34:05 <readme> is the screen adequate for developing
Jun 17 03:34:06 <manchicken> Yeah
Jun 17 03:34:07 <g00s> i don't know how the 3lm stuff works under the hood. they license it to other oems
Jun 17 03:34:11 <manchicken> No way.
Jun 17 03:34:15 <drpenguin> Its not bad for deving on readme
Jun 17 03:34:25 <JakeWharton> the resolution is far too low
Jun 17 03:34:30 <g00s> i have a 2009 mbp. works great
Jun 17 03:34:38 <readme> screen size?
Jun 17 03:34:44 <g00s> 15"
Jun 17 03:34:45 <manchicken> 1280x800
Jun 17 03:34:47 <drpenguin> I dont like that the screen is reflective, but it just sits here collectin dust
Jun 17 03:35:00 <manchicken> I swear by mine.
Jun 17 03:35:08 <manchicken> It can take a hit, too.
Jun 17 03:35:11 <JakeWharton> i can barely use my macbook without a cinema display, there's like 12 pixels
Jun 17 03:35:16 <readme> drpenguin: collects dust? want to sell it :)?
Jun 17 03:35:27 <g00s> drpenguin: the new apple laptops are using a different anti-glare (although not matte) technique. i'm curious how well it pans out
Jun 17 03:35:29 <JakeWharton> the new retina MacBooks have like 32 pixels though
Jun 17 03:35:30 <JakeWharton> want
Jun 17 03:35:33 <manchicken> I forgot to zip my computer pouch one day and dropped it on terra cotta pavers, it survived well.
Jun 17 03:35:34 <drpenguin> readme: its quite old, and im pretty sure whatever that does the backlight is starting to burn out
Jun 17 03:36:00 <drpenguin> g00s: that would be interesting.. however some of the other new things they are doing with the mbps.. I am not a fan of
Jun 17 03:36:02 <g00s> apple's have led backlights
Jun 17 03:36:05 <manchicken> The new one is nice, yes. I just don't have $2,200 for a new box.
Jun 17 03:36:07 <readme> if it works and has at least 4GB of ram then i'd be interested
Jun 17 03:36:21 <drpenguin> liek.. is it true that the new mbps *do not* have a hard drive anymore, but are just using flash memory for storage?
Jun 17 03:36:31 <g00s> drpenguin: the retina one
Jun 17 03:36:36 <manchicken> No
Jun 17 03:36:46 <drpenguin> yeah, im not a fan of that
Jun 17 03:36:48 <g00s> the regular mbps look … the same
Jun 17 03:36:50 <manchicken> They still use 2.5" drives for the non-premium and non-Air models.
Jun 17 03:36:52 <drpenguin> Ill stick with my Asus laptop for deving
Jun 17 03:37:03 <JakeWharton> i miss the screen on my asus
Jun 17 03:37:09 <JakeWharton> 1080p @ 15" was beautiful
Jun 17 03:37:15 <manchicken> Asus is good. I've hooked several clients with the K60. It's a nice box.
Jun 17 03:37:25 <drpenguin> mines a 14 inch.. I dont care much for resolution
Jun 17 03:37:38 <drpenguin> im currently runing at 1366x768, good enough for me
Jun 17 03:37:43 <JakeWharton> really?
Jun 17 03:37:49 <JakeWharton> there's like two lines on the screen at once
Jun 17 03:37:51 <JakeWharton> i need at least 5
Jun 17 03:38:12 <drpenguin> Question then, what are you doing on your laptop?
Jun 17 03:38:34 <JakeWharton> i'm programming in C++ so that it can all be on one line
Jun 17 03:38:47 <manchicken> Heh
Jun 17 03:38:51 <drpenguin> im sorry, can I stop you for a sec? what do you mean by "line"
Jun 17 03:39:22 <JakeWharton> line of code. my macbook's resolution is so shitty that only two lines of code can fit on the screen at once
Jun 17 03:39:41 <manchicken> Are you visually-impaired?
Jun 17 03:39:53 <drpenguin> uh.. i am not following you at all.. so I guess you can continue
Jun 17 03:40:10 <JakeWharton> word. the new retina displays can display 5 lines at a time
Jun 17 03:40:22 <JakeWharton> they changed everything. again. again. again.
Jun 17 03:40:45 <g00s> should come in handy with those 70 character git commit messages :P
Jun 17 03:41:03 <g00s> oh, 74 sorry
Jun 17 03:41:07 <JakeWharton> you do that crap too?
Jun 17 03:41:08 <g00s> :)
Jun 17 03:41:15 <JakeWharton> we have a guy at work that's obsessed with that
Jun 17 03:41:16 <g00s> JakeWharton: i only read about it
Jun 17 03:41:31 <g00s> but everybody says DO EET LIEK THAT
Jun 17 03:41:33 <JakeWharton> so i intentionally type novels on one line or break messages up into haikus and stuff
Jun 17 03:41:54 <JakeWharton> people who obsess over crap like that are the ones that don't get a lot of work done
Jun 17 03:41:56 <drpenguin> Funny thing, at my job, there really isnt protocol on svn commit messages, just somehting thats meaningful more or less
Jun 17 03:42:45 <JakeWharton> or add a post-commit hook to auto-format messages for you
Jun 17 03:42:47 <g00s> there was a discussion about this on hN not too long ago; turns out there is also a technical reason … maybe the way git log formats stuff? or the way the pager works ? i can't remember
Jun 17 03:42:50 <JakeWharton> done. never have to waste time on it again
Jun 17 03:43:27 <drpenguin> You could have a post commit hook that takes messages and converts them to old english style speech
Jun 17 03:43:33 <JakeWharton> damnit
Jun 17 03:43:36 <JakeWharton> now i have to do that
Jun 17 03:43:38 <g00s> yeah, add pirate speak !
Jun 17 03:43:40 <wongk-home> hah
Jun 17 03:43:51 <drpenguin> "YAR! I BE CHECKIN IN SOME NEW BOOTY"
Jun 17 03:44:49 <ron_frown> amen JAKE
Jun 17 03:44:59 <ron_frown> I lvoe when conversations at my work start off as...
Jun 17 03:45:14 <ron_frown> "... boss says we arent producing enough, taking too long blah blh blah..."
Jun 17 03:45:33 <ron_frown> "...we're going to implement additional code style conventions, additional blah blah blah..."
Jun 17 03:45:47 <ron_frown> I think my code style is very in line with whatever language I write in
Jun 17 03:46:04 <ron_frown> but honestly I could give two shits less what someones code conventions are, so long as I can read/understand it
Jun 17 03:46:09 <wongk-home> your not producing enough, so the solution is to add more process?
Jun 17 03:46:17 <ron_frown> PRECISELY
Jun 17 03:46:18 <readme> JakeWharton: imo text needs to be wrapped at 80ch, at least. not 80 chars including the whitespace in the begginning, but from first char to last char should be <= 80
Jun 17 03:46:31 <JakeWharton> in what? commit messages?
Jun 17 03:46:35 <readme> it's impossible to read very long lines without losing your place
Jun 17 03:46:36 <readme> in general
Jun 17 03:46:38 <drpenguin> Im not quite sure what the coding style is at my job.. I usually just mimic whatever is currently in the source file I am modifying
Jun 17 03:46:51 <JakeWharton> we wrap source at 100 or 120 or something
Jun 17 03:47:02 <ron_frown> honeslty I bitch a lot about my current job but I really need to move elsewhere
Jun 17 03:47:04 <readme> thats ok if you are including the indentation at the beginning
Jun 17 03:47:07 <readme> in that number
Jun 17 03:47:17 <readme> for java, anyway
Jun 17 03:47:22 <JakeWharton> yeah, column 120
Jun 17 03:47:24 <ron_frown> after they were bitching about performance (everyone here is doing 2x what I/m used to at other companies)
Jun 17 03:47:31 <ron_frown> two co-workers walked out
Jun 17 03:47:32 <readme> if I was doing python it'd be in a terminal and I'd be pissed if a line was longer than 79 chars.
Jun 17 03:47:35 <ron_frown> quit immediately
Jun 17 03:47:54 <ron_frown> dude if we ewre slacking before, we're down two men now
Jun 17 03:47:55 <JakeWharton> option+command+L in IntelliJ and it does all the formatting for me with whatever conventions are the latest in git
Jun 17 03:48:07 <readme> 90% of web pages are unreadable to me
Jun 17 03:48:07 <JakeWharton> i don't have to care what they are
Jun 17 03:48:11 <readme> so I have to use the readability plugin
Jun 17 03:48:23 <readme> which wraps text in a sane way
Jun 17 03:48:36 <JakeWharton> sublime text wraps correctly with indentation
Jun 17 03:48:47 <ron_frown> JakeWharton - I finally got my os source setup in intellij
Jun 17 03:48:54 <ron_frown> wow what a pleasure to deal with
Jun 17 03:49:07 <ron_frown> if ADT 20 ever gets released, I am sure the eclipse side will be a lot better
Jun 17 03:49:16 <ron_frown> but intellij  = pure sx
Jun 17 03:49:32 <ron_frown> I rebuilt all my ethernet configuration dialogs etc etc
Jun 17 03:50:01 <JakeWharton> i'm surprised the Android peeps don't switch over to IntelliJ as the recommended IDE
Jun 17 03:50:13 <ron_frown> drag and drop designer is why
Jun 17 03:50:17 <ron_frown> evne tho it kinda sucks
Jun 17 03:50:26 <ron_frown> thats the kinda shit my work is pushing for
Jun 17 03:50:27 <readme> if you do some research you'll find that some googlers are on the eclipse committee or whatever
Jun 17 03:50:31 <ron_frown> drag drop drag drop
Jun 17 03:50:42 <JakeWharton> package that standalone then like ddms and hierarchy viewer
Jun 17 03:50:45 <readme> nah that layout editor sucks man, I don't see who could possibly use that as a reason to keep eclipse
Jun 17 03:50:54 <readme> sorry to the devs who worked on it
Jun 17 03:50:57 <ron_frown> readme - eclipse sucks, adt is usually 1 step forward and 5 steps back with each new build
Jun 17 03:51:10 <ron_frown> so two pieces of shit dont make a right
Jun 17 03:51:16 <ron_frown> my one beef with intellij
Jun 17 03:51:23 <ron_frown> they support all sorts of scm's
Jun 17 03:51:31 <wongk-home> i tried intellij once, i did not care for it
Jun 17 03:51:33 <ron_frown> but p4 scm provider is only in professional
Jun 17 03:51:55 <g00s> i thought a lot of the googlers use eclipse
Jun 17 03:52:08 <JakeWharton> they do
Jun 17 03:52:13 <JakeWharton> old habits die hard
Jun 17 03:52:19 <ron_frown> the funny thing is the documentation about usng eclipse to edit os source... WAY WAY WAY WAY off
Jun 17 03:52:31 <ron_frown> honestly I ultimately couldnt get it to wokr
Jun 17 03:52:36 <wongk-home> i prefer eclipse, at least for java
Jun 17 03:52:37 <ron_frown> intellij I got it working pretty well
Jun 17 03:52:54 <JakeWharton> eclipse and ant
Jun 17 03:52:56 <JakeWharton> lovely
Jun 17 03:53:02 <JakeWharton> match made in hell
Jun 17 03:53:14 <ron_frown> I can build individual modules / frameworks base / manually sync
Jun 17 03:53:23 <ron_frown> and then attach debugger and really develop core system apps
Jun 17 03:53:43 <ron_frown> (after I figured out building new sdk with my new classes/functionality, and linking that)
Jun 17 03:54:39 <readme> it may be chinese food time.. hmmmm
Jun 17 03:55:00 <readme> yes... it is
Jun 17 03:55:08 <readme> http://www.menulizard.com/restaurant/355/imperial-jade-garden/
Jun 17 03:55:10 <readme> help me pick
Jun 17 03:55:28 <wongk-home> poo poo platter
Jun 17 03:55:53 <JakeWharton> can I load classes from another apk signed with the same key?
Jun 17 03:56:19 <ron_frown> another non libray apk?
Jun 17 03:56:19 <JakeWharton> i guess that's how instrumentation tests run
Jun 17 03:56:26 <ron_frown> yeah
Jun 17 03:56:28 <wongk-home> hmm, you can access the same files n what not
Jun 17 03:56:31 <wongk-home> i'd guess so
Jun 17 03:57:26 <canadiancow> jKWQ
Jun 17 03:57:31 <canadiancow> blah
Jun 17 03:57:35 <canadiancow> JakeWharton
Jun 17 03:57:38 <canadiancow> it is saturday night
Jun 17 03:57:41 <canadiancow> and you are on irc@
Jun 17 03:57:42 <canadiancow> !
Jun 17 03:57:53 <JakeWharton> i went out 5 nights this week
Jun 17 03:57:59 <manchicken> The hell is SQLite talking about?! I opened the database and it's giving me a no such table error message.
Jun 17 03:57:59 <canadiancow> i know for a fact that you were invited to a fucking alcoholic party
Jun 17 03:58:02 <JakeWharton> and I went out today
Jun 17 03:58:04 <manchicken> This is madness.
Jun 17 03:58:32 <manchicken> I would think it would wait until I tried to access a table before it bombed on it.
Jun 17 03:58:42 <[deXter]> So folks, have any books been updated yet that implements the new design patterns from the get go?
Jun 17 03:58:53 <ron_frown> books?
Jun 17 03:58:58 <JakeWharton> books are usually about programming fundamentals, not design
Jun 17 03:59:11 <readme> i think i've seen a book on android design
Jun 17 03:59:31 <manchicken> Books on design would go out of date rather quickly… like, fast.
Jun 17 03:59:38 <readme> most books are written to make a quick buck.
Jun 17 03:59:38 <canadiancow> s/design/actionbar/
Jun 17 03:59:46 <canadiancow> readme++
Jun 17 03:59:59 <manchicken> That's true.
Jun 17 04:00:41 <ron_frown> thats the thing... I see commonsguy commenting on forums/newsgroups/stackoverflow... I'm starting to get the impression its mostly to push his book
Jun 17 04:00:54 <[deXter]> Okay, well any good books been updated for ICS?
Jun 17 04:01:21 <ron_frown> I lvoe when the android-porting, or android-platform groups have legitimite questions like I want to move this here or move that there
Jun 17 04:01:34 <canadiancow> i love
Jun 17 04:01:34 <canadiancow> when
Jun 17 04:01:37 <canadiancow> big butts
Jun 17 04:01:39 <canadiancow> and i cannot lie
Jun 17 04:01:41 <canadiancow> right romainguy?
Jun 17 04:01:57 <ron_frown> and he chimes in as if he were a google employee
Jun 17 04:02:23 <ron_frown> basically mimic-ing hackbod
Jun 17 04:02:31 <readme> forget chinese food. i am going to make eggs and toast.
Jun 17 04:02:46 <ron_frown> readme probably a safer bet from a health prospective
Jun 17 04:02:53 <ron_frown> I honestly dont trust chinese joints
Jun 17 04:02:54 <wongk-home> readme: that's quite a divergence from the original plan
Jun 17 04:03:05 <readme> well, I realized it's cold out and then thought I wanted to wear jeans, then I remembered that my jeans barely fit me
Jun 17 04:03:11 <wongk-home> what you got against chinese people?!
Jun 17 04:03:15 <readme> and decided chinese food may be a bad idea
Jun 17 04:03:17 <ron_frown> not a single one... pf changs is probably the only one I'd trust, and for all the wrong reasons
Jun 17 04:03:27 <readme> nothing against them, their food is pretty bad for you though wongk-home
Jun 17 04:03:34 <readme> at least the american version of it
Jun 17 04:03:45 <wongk-home> the chinese version is worse
Jun 17 04:03:50 <readme> yeah i love pf chang
Jun 17 04:03:53 <ron_frown> even if you dont look at what the sauces are made out of
Jun 17 04:03:56 <ron_frown> etc
Jun 17 04:04:04 <ron_frown> the quality of the meat and veggies
Jun 17 04:04:06 <ron_frown> just not good
Jun 17 04:04:14 <readme> wongk-home: i take it you have been to china a few times?
Jun 17 04:04:20 <wongk-home> once
Jun 17 04:04:24 <readme> did you try the cat
Jun 17 04:04:28 <wongk-home> meow
Jun 17 04:04:32 <wongk-home> it lol'd at me
Jun 17 04:04:56 <g00s> [deXter]: reto's book
Jun 17 04:05:29 <[deXter]> g00s, got a name? Google's throwing up random results..
Jun 17 04:05:39 <ron_frown> reto meir
Jun 17 04:05:43 <g00s> [deXter]: try amazon book search :)
Jun 17 04:05:56 <g00s> its got the cool terminator
Jun 17 04:05:59 <[deXter]> Good idea :)
Jun 17 04:06:06 <g00s> the terminator kills android devs
Jun 17 04:06:16 <[deXter]> Oh, that one!
Jun 17 04:06:45 <wongk-home> time to retire, methinks
Jun 17 04:06:47 <g00s> ron_frown: i never bothered asking, but still wondered if my chinese place sources its ingredients from china
Jun 17 04:07:15 <ron_frown> I do live in a smaller area
Jun 17 04:07:25 <ron_frown> btu there are probably 15 chinese places around here
Jun 17 04:07:28 <readme> later wongk-home
Jun 17 04:07:35 <ron_frown> and their food was nasty as fucj
Jun 17 04:07:42 <g00s> readme: well, don't forget to add bacon to it :) then you can leave out the eggs & toast part
Jun 17 04:07:48 <ron_frown> closest to it was ONE thai place out of like5
Jun 17 04:08:09 <ron_frown> one thai place I went to here served pad thai, and the sauce tasted very much like ketchup with a teeny bit of water in it
Jun 17 04:08:40 <g00s> it could have been blood + sugar + corn syrup
Jun 17 04:09:12 <readme> g00s: no wai
Jun 17 04:09:14 <ron_frown> could be
Jun 17 04:09:16 <readme> i already had bacon today
Jun 17 04:09:19 <g00s> with a pinch of melamine
Jun 17 04:09:39 <ron_frown> I mean mexican food around here is really going ot shit too
Jun 17 04:10:04 <ron_frown> there is one place thats like 40mi south that I drive to a couple times a month
Jun 17 04:10:08 <ron_frown> just to get mexican food
Jun 17 04:11:25 <g00s> sounds like those sony experia guys are getting fucked up wifi on ics update
Jun 17 04:11:37 <ron_frown> haha
Jun 17 04:11:42 <ron_frown> actually lots of people are
Jun 17 04:13:14 <g00s> oh, nm. sounds like almost everybdy
Jun 17 04:13:25 <ron_frown> yeah
Jun 17 04:13:28 <manchicken> Anybody used SQLiteDatabase before? SQLiteDatabase.openDatabase() is giving me a "no such table" error message… when I haven't even tried to do anything with the database other than open it. http://pastebin.com/XfwRM6re
Jun 17 04:13:32 <ron_frown> wifi in ics ports seems to be nuts
Jun 17 04:13:56 <ron_frown> I dont know if its because a lot of people are using same arch (omap 4460 or something)
Jun 17 04:13:59 <ron_frown> btu its very common
Jun 17 04:14:11 <ron_frown> I got wifi and bluetooth going on my omap 4460 stuff
Jun 17 04:14:12 * ron_frown shrugs =)
Jun 17 04:15:00 <JakeWharton> manchicken: have you tried openOrCreateDatabase()?
Jun 17 04:15:14 <manchicken> I want to open an existing database, and I have verified that the file exists.
Jun 17 04:15:32 <JakeWharton> did you create it with the correct version of sqlite?
Jun 17 04:16:33 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: did you say you were going to attempt a nice library to handle the sidebar navigation pattern?
Jun 17 04:16:54 <JakeWharton> hell to the no
Jun 17 04:17:01 <g00s> hehe
Jun 17 04:17:09 <EddieRingle> thought you mentioned it somewhere
Jun 17 04:17:29 <EddieRingle> implemented it for kicks in Hubroid, looks nice
Jun 17 04:17:49 <JakeWharton> "looks nice" and "is a good design pattern" are two very different things
Jun 17 04:18:01 <manchicken> It is one I'm pulling off of iOS… so I suppose version could be an issue...
Jun 17 04:18:08 <manchicken> For some reason that didn't occur to me.
Jun 17 04:18:13 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: you don't think it is?
Jun 17 04:18:26 <g00s> manchicken: yeha, when you create a db on android, there is a special table added
Jun 17 04:18:39 <manchicken> Really?
Jun 17 04:18:44 <g00s> :)
Jun 17 04:18:45 <manchicken> I wonder if there's a way to force it.
Jun 17 04:18:59 <g00s> you should be able to manually create the table, yeah
Jun 17 04:19:09 <JakeWharton> no, I strongly dislike the way it's being approached
Jun 17 04:19:14 <manchicken> I'm writing a program to pull diabetes data out of an old iPhone app I have been using into another app so that I can use it when my new Galaxy S3 shows up.
Jun 17 04:19:28 <JakeWharton> the pattern itself could work if everyone wasn't trying to hammer it into existing paradigms
Jun 17 04:19:30 <manchicken> How do I create the table if SQLite won't even open the file?
Jun 17 04:19:39 <JakeWharton> more specifically, don't make it "up" on the action bar
Jun 17 04:20:07 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: currently, it operates as it does in the G+ app
Jun 17 04:20:11 <manchicken> You're right!
Jun 17 04:20:21 <manchicken> It's selecting against android_metadata.
Jun 17 04:20:49 <JakeWharton> so you mean on half the screen up actually goes back and on half the screens it pops out some side menu that doesn't slide the content or put a shadow on it thus created ambiguity as to what clicking on the action bar icon deos?
Jun 17 04:22:26 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: yup
Jun 17 04:23:15 <manchicken> So I'm going to need to find a work-around for that.
Jun 17 04:24:22 <readme> i think g00s suggested to just create the android_metadata table
Jun 17 04:25:09 <manchicken> How does one create the metadata table programmatically?
Jun 17 04:25:25 <manchicken> When the API won't even open the file?
Jun 17 04:25:34 <readme> open it with sqlite on the command line
Jun 17 04:26:00 <readme> sqlite3, even
Jun 17 04:26:23 <JakeWharton> i think i'd prefer going back to the dashboard pattern but as a translucent overlay
Jun 17 04:26:57 <manchicken> I'm trying to make this something that allows people to export one file from the iPhone app and import it into Android.
Jun 17 04:27:06 <readme> CREATE TABLE android_metadata (locale TEXT);
Jun 17 04:27:11 <readme> that's the whole schema
Jun 17 04:27:12 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: perhaps one of the top complaints I've gotten is that the traditional dashboard pattern gets in the way of workflow
Jun 17 04:27:15 <readme> for the table
Jun 17 04:27:32 <JakeWharton> how is this any different?
Jun 17 04:27:43 <JakeWharton> it's just a dashboard that takes up half the screen leaving the other side useless
Jun 17 04:27:55 <EddieRingle> it gives the illusion that it is more immediate
Jun 17 04:28:07 <JakeWharton> would a full-screen overlay not do the same?
Jun 17 04:28:17 <readme> manchicken: if you want you can just link to the native sqlite lib and probably use that code to create the table
Jun 17 04:28:22 <readme> with jni
Jun 17 04:29:36 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: it would, without the same illusion I think
Jun 17 04:30:05 <EddieRingle> plus, translucency can be icky at times
Jun 17 04:30:07 <JakeWharton> i can press F12 on my mac and a dashboard flies in with all this fancy stuff for me to do
Jun 17 04:30:12 <JakeWharton> that's what i want in an app
Jun 17 04:30:29 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: there's not enough room for a F12 key, unfortunately
Jun 17 04:30:34 <JakeWharton> not this tiny side thing that occupies 1/3rd to 1/2 of the screen obscuring anything meaningful that was behind it
Jun 17 04:31:05 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: what about Evernote's sidebar then?
Jun 17 04:31:08 <readme> i agree. the sidebar doesn't make sense. what is the point of it even taking up 1/2 the screen when you can't possibly have a functional reason for seeing the screen underneath it?
Jun 17 04:31:29 <readme> maybe if you were in landscape it would make sense, but not in portrait
Jun 17 04:31:47 <[deXter]> ^
Jun 17 04:31:52 <JakeWharton> I've only seen screenshots, not used it.
Jun 17 04:32:03 <JakeWharton> It looks funny when they only leave a fraction of the old screen there
Jun 17 04:32:48 <EddieRingle> I think that's the whole point
Jun 17 04:34:47 <JakeWharton> yeah, and i don't like it
Jun 17 04:34:58 <JakeWharton> i'm sure some people love it
Jun 17 04:36:02 <EddieRingle> the up and home buttons should be separate
Jun 17 04:36:36 <JakeWharton> there's not enough room for that
Jun 17 04:36:55 <EddieRingle> therein lies the problem
Jun 17 04:37:42 <JakeWharton> that would also create ambiguity between the up and home buttons on the action bar and back and home soft buttons
Jun 17 04:37:53 <JakeWharton> which is making an already bad problem much worse
Jun 17 04:38:17 <EddieRingle> so workflow is ruined either way, gotcha
Jun 17 04:38:18 <JakeWharton> however, bastardizing the "up" affordance into this "fly in menu" affordance seems much more wrong to me, especially when you approach it like Google+ and make it inconsistent
Jun 17 04:42:35 <ron_frown> JakeWharton you seen AOKP's rom?
Jun 17 04:42:44 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 17 04:42:50 <JakeWharton> been on stock since mah GNex
Jun 17 04:43:11 <ron_frown> they put a little unicorn icon in the far right of the back/home/menu whatever bar
Jun 17 04:43:23 <ron_frown> hit the icon and it pops up the widgets
Jun 17 04:43:28 <ron_frown> hit it again and it goes awak
Jun 17 04:43:54 <ron_frown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDghRI0ysq0
Jun 17 04:45:02 <ron_frown> aint perfect
Jun 17 04:45:10 <ron_frown> but seems like it matches the mac dashboard stuff
Jun 17 04:45:22 <ron_frown> better than widgets sitting on your desktop where you gotta hit home etc
Jun 17 04:46:56 <JakeWharton> yeah nice
Jun 17 04:47:05 <JakeWharton> i used to have an app that did a similar thing when you long-pressed search
Jun 17 04:47:22 <JakeWharton> basically a dashboard home screen where you could put icons and widgets
Jun 17 04:47:27 <JakeWharton> no paging though
Jun 17 04:50:04 <readme> anyone know a good 3d game for android? tablet
Jun 17 04:51:53 <dlaroche> I have a custom view that draws a bitmap to a canvas during onDraw(). I would like for the view to set its size based on the bitmaps size. What is the best way of going about this?
Jun 17 04:51:57 <f2prateek> readme: max payne maybe?
Jun 17 04:52:52 <readme> will try it
Jun 17 04:54:23 <g00s> fuck yeah ! http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/16/3091542/mac-os-old-school-theme
Jun 17 04:54:26 <JakeWharton> dlaroche: override onMeasure, call setMeausredSize
Jun 17 04:54:28 <JakeWharton> with the bitmap's size
Jun 17 04:54:41 <g00s> reminds me of grade school :P
Jun 17 04:54:52 <dlaroche> I get a nullpointerexception when I do this. I will pastebin the code. just a sec
Jun 17 04:55:12 <JakeWharton> and the stacktrace
Jun 17 04:55:50 <dlaroche> http://pastebin.com/xNW8AUNj
Jun 17 04:56:09 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: if you went with the dashboard overlay route, how would you have the user access it? pull down from the action bar?
Jun 17 04:56:46 <JakeWharton> EddieRingle: i'd use setLogo on the action bar and provide some sort of indication that wasn't "up", not sure what exactly
Jun 17 04:56:51 <dlaroche> http://pastebin.com/CUcGEcvh
Jun 17 04:56:57 <readme> magic piano is awesome
Jun 17 04:57:04 <EddieRingle> JakeWharton: so no up whatsoever?
Jun 17 04:57:34 <JakeWharton> dlaroche: how are you creating the view?
Jun 17 04:57:51 <dlaroche> I add it to my layout using xml
Jun 17 04:57:53 <ron_frown> jake you are getting roped in mayng
Jun 17 04:58:02 <JakeWharton> dlaroche: it's calling the second constructor
Jun 17 04:58:07 <JakeWharton> hence, dieImage is null
Jun 17 04:58:08 <ron_frown> I do that on the porting forums
Jun 17 04:58:14 <dlaroche> ok
Jun 17 05:01:13 <T-Dub|DlolPics> com.larocheent.socialfarkle.Die.onMeasure(Die.java:32)
Jun 17 05:01:23 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Line 32 is your error dlaroche
Jun 17 05:07:01 <QubeZ> hello all
Jun 17 05:08:31 <Shano56> yo
Jun 17 05:08:40 <readme> hey
Jun 17 05:15:03 <JakeWharton> EddieRingle: there would be "up" in child activities but not on the high-level ones
Jun 17 05:22:00 <g00s> heh, this is funny watching linus nvidia is the worst
Jun 17 05:23:55 <g00s> er, linus say nvidia is the worst
Jun 17 05:24:29 <[deXter]> g00s, Link?
Jun 17 05:24:41 <readme> most people seem to think nvidia is good :|
Jun 17 05:24:50 <readme> but I personally have an ati card
Jun 17 05:25:06 <g00s> back in the day, it was the surest bet with linux. not sure now
Jun 17 05:25:10 <readme> and honestly cant wait to get a mac, because honestly I don't have time in my life to give a damn what kind of graphics card i have.
Jun 17 05:25:19 <g00s> [deXter]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=youtu.be&t=49m45s
Jun 17 05:25:45 <g00s> readme: i got to that point after 10 years of gentoo, redhat, fedora, and ubuntu
Jun 17 05:26:03 <g00s> no i am more productive irc'ing :D
Jun 17 05:26:34 <ron_frown> readme the problem is, if you have a mac, you have a shitty one and it doesnt matter
Jun 17 05:26:41 <ron_frown> I've got a few mbps
Jun 17 05:26:48 <ron_frown> and honestly, these will be my last macs
Jun 17 05:27:16 <g00s> ron_frown: what will you use next ?
Jun 17 05:27:32 <ron_frown> linux has come a really really really long way, and once wayland goes mainstream, its going to very quickly move into the desktop stpace
Jun 17 05:27:35 <readme> i doubt any mac ships with a worse graphics card than I currently have in my PC
Jun 17 05:27:41 <ron_frown> that may be
Jun 17 05:27:52 <ron_frown> but my mbp's were all several several generations behind
Jun 17 05:28:04 <mpop> I had a mac once, bad video card, the capasiters went out on it
Jun 17 05:28:17 <g00s> that happened to my linux box
Jun 17 05:28:20 <ron_frown> onl thing I like about macs is that its linux/unix os, with a quick usable frontend
Jun 17 05:28:29 <ron_frown> I hate x11 with a fucking passion
Jun 17 05:28:42 <g00s> around the tie that corporate espionage thing in asia; somebody stole the formula for a defective electrolyte
Jun 17 05:30:46 <readme> mac os x ain't no linux
Jun 17 05:31:06 * readme has owned a mac in the past.. got frustrated with the OS at the time and installed linux, then it got stolen.
Jun 17 05:31:37 <[deXter]> g00s, Wow, didn't really expect Linus to say FU to nVidia!
Jun 17 05:32:04 <mpop> what did he say/do?
Jun 17 05:32:04 <g00s> hehe
Jun 17 05:32:13 <ron_frown> well heres teh thing, its not unix os either
Jun 17 05:32:17 <ron_frown> linux isnt unix os
Jun 17 05:32:17 <readme> linus is a megalomaniac
Jun 17 05:32:19 <ron_frown> bsd
Jun 17 05:32:28 <ron_frown> and bsd is a god damn monster
Jun 17 05:33:05 <g00s> too bad linux doesn't have photoshop
Jun 17 05:33:10 <g00s> major problem
Jun 17 05:33:14 <readme> every time I hear about linus in the news it's because he did something outlandish
Jun 17 05:33:25 <[deXter]> It's not linux's problem - blame Adobe :P
Jun 17 05:33:33 <[deXter]> The open source guys are doing a decent job with GIMP
Jun 17 05:33:41 <[deXter]> and the new GIMP 2.8 is pretty decent
Jun 17 05:33:46 <[deXter]> especially when you install the plugin registry!
Jun 17 05:33:50 <g00s> yeah, but designers communicate with adobe tools
Jun 17 05:34:03 <ron_frown> I dont know
Jun 17 05:34:06 <g00s> if you work with a designer, they aren't going to give you an xcf :P
Jun 17 05:34:20 <readme> gimp can read psd g00s
Jun 17 05:34:29 <g00s> yeah, to some degree of fidelity
Jun 17 05:34:31 <ron_frown> can gimp not open and manipulate psd files
Jun 17 05:34:39 <readme> also programmers should not have to slice fucking images
Jun 17 05:34:46 <readme> that's something the designer should do
Jun 17 05:34:58 <readme> we do enough already, ffs
Jun 17 05:35:18 <readme> if someone tells me to slice an image i'll hire some guy on odesk to do it
Jun 17 05:35:52 <ron_frown> engineers job is to make his life easier
Jun 17 05:35:59 <ron_frown> build tools to do the dumb stuff
Jun 17 05:36:15 <readme> i'd build anyone a tool that needed it
Jun 17 05:38:19 <readme> i don't mind doing my own graphics, or doing them if I was working at a startup that didn't have designers or something
Jun 17 05:39:19 <readme> any other circumstance i'd refuse to slice, and if that was impossible i'd go to slicemypsd.com
Jun 17 05:43:04 <JakeWharton> this conversation makes me want to slicemywrists.com
Jun 17 05:43:15 <JakeWharton> just kidding, needed a setup for that joke
Jun 17 05:44:21 <mdkess> How can I right align a TextView in a RelativeLayout?
Jun 17 05:44:58 <readme> mdkess: layout_alignParentRight
Jun 17 05:45:02 <readme> JakeWharton: ditto
Jun 17 05:47:48 <mdkess> That doesn't seem to do it.  Are there other layout parameters that I would have to change as well?
Jun 17 05:48:41 <g00s> put !important after it
Jun 17 05:48:45 <g00s> oh wait :D
Jun 17 05:50:25 <mdkess> Ah, android:gravity seems to do the trick.
Jun 17 05:55:31 <readme> that doesn't align the textivew inside the relativelayout
Jun 17 05:55:38 <readme> that aligns the text inside the textview
Jun 17 06:04:05 <JakeWharton> abandoning a branch with 3,276 changed files, 4,883 additions, and 30,159 deletions :(
Jun 17 06:05:33 <readme> :|
Jun 17 06:08:02 <JakeWharton> i'd say that deserves another beer
Jun 17 06:13:41 <g00s> JakeWharton: was that abs code ?
Jun 17 06:14:51 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 17 06:15:06 <JakeWharton> haven't needed to really work on ABS in months
Jun 17 06:15:17 <g00s> :)
Jun 17 06:15:27 <JakeWharton> i will soon though
Jun 17 06:15:38 <g00s> uh oh, jb :)
Jun 17 06:15:59 <JakeWharton> yeah
Jun 17 06:16:01 <JakeWharton> 4 libraries to update
Jun 17 06:20:08 <dlaroche> what's the best way to drag a view around?
Jun 17 06:20:14 <dlaroche> it's a custom view.
Jun 17 06:20:22 <readme> i do it by adjusting the margins
Jun 17 06:21:02 <JakeWharton> that'll be really slow though
Jun 17 06:21:07 <JakeWharton> and bound the drag by the parent container
Jun 17 06:21:09 <dlaroche> I want the view to grab the onTouch event, but it only returns info for a click and not ACTION_MOVE
Jun 17 06:21:31 <readme> in my case it wasn't a performance concern
Jun 17 06:21:36 <readme> perhaps in dlaroche's it is though
Jun 17 06:21:45 <dlaroche> yeah it is for a game
Jun 17 06:22:02 <dlaroche> The view only needs to be dragged down about an inch
Jun 17 06:22:20 <readme> oh.. how often will it be dragged?
Jun 17 06:22:26 <dlaroche> a lot
Jun 17 06:22:36 <dlaroche> basically dragging dice around
Jun 17 06:24:09 <g00s> mm … a dice should not be a view
Jun 17 06:24:52 <g00s> scrap that
Jun 17 06:24:59 * g00s hasn't even had any beers
Jun 17 06:25:01 <dlaroche> g00s: why not? its just an View that has a bitmap drawn on it
Jun 17 06:29:14 <JakeWharton> you should move where you're drawing the dice
Jun 17 06:29:16 <JakeWharton> not the View itself
Jun 17 06:38:22 <ron_frown> damn it
Jun 17 06:38:22 <readme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maPWrPzo19U&feature=bf_next&list=UUWXCrItCF6ZgXrdozUS-Idw
Jun 17 06:38:46 <ron_frown> its hot as hell at my house, and unfortunately I dont have a fan in my office that wont eventually shake itself loose and cut me up in my sleep
Jun 17 06:40:02 <g00s> ron_frown: one two, freddy's coming for you … 3, 4 better lock the door, 5, 6 grab your crucifix ...
Jun 17 06:40:30 <dlaroche> ron: I plan on putting a window in my office in a few days....talk about hot
Jun 17 06:42:50 <g00s> ron_frown: you may also want to try cooling your body temperature a few degrees, by starving yourself on a calorie restriction diet
Jun 17 06:43:19 <g00s> should be straightforward ;)
Jun 17 06:50:18 <f2prateek> i'm having a little trouble using a custom adapter for list fragment https://github.com/f2prateek/Stopwatch/blob/list-fragment/src/com/psrivastava/stopwatch/StopwatchActivity.java; the fragment just never shows anything
Jun 17 07:01:55 <guy> When cutting design for Android app. Is that done using HTML/CSS?
Jun 17 07:02:12 <readme> guy: no
Jun 17 07:02:20 <readme> at least not in ours :)
Jun 17 07:03:24 <JakeWharton> definitely no
Jun 17 07:04:52 <g00s> cutting design? like cutting cheese?
Jun 17 08:13:33 <spobat> how can you answer the questions at the "play store"? (comments)
Jun 17 08:14:14 <JakeWharton> you can't
Jun 17 08:15:33 <spobat> :(
Jun 17 08:23:22 <joker_89> hi
Jun 17 08:23:22 <joker_89> i have a problem opening an url with java
Jun 17 08:23:28 <joker_89> the result is not the same that opened with a browser on my pc
Jun 17 08:23:31 <joker_89> i am puting post variables in the link
Jun 17 08:28:42 <code1> Is a warrenty disclaimer necessary when releasing your app?
Jun 17 08:29:38 <JakeWharton> code1: depends on the app, you should consult a lawyer
Jun 17 08:31:25 <code1> As an example, I make an alarm app, it bugs out and doesn't wake them up in time for work, they're late, get fired, sue app developer?
Jun 17 08:31:46 <JakeWharton> i am not a lawyer therefore i have no idea
Jun 17 08:32:12 <spobat> Is it worth to run android ads? (admob)
Jun 17 08:34:15 <johnbentley> Hi android devs, I'm having problems installing an .apk to the Emulator or my physical device (via USB). This occurs whether using Eclipse or the command line. The error, in Eclipse, is "Failed to install *.apk on device '*': timeout.". Details at http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/v3cuq/help_android_error_failed_to_install_apk_on/. Might anyone have some suggestions on overcoming...
Jun 17 08:34:17 <johnbentley> ...this bug?
Jun 17 08:34:29 <Moopz> Hey. I was wondering if there's any smart way to make a TCP/IP service? By smart I mean, is there some sort of intent I can listen for to see whether or not there's any Wifi activity or is there something similar to this?
Jun 17 08:34:37 <Moopz> Trying to avoid having a thread run continuously without having anything to do 95% of the time.
Jun 17 08:41:14 <johnbentley> Moopz. I'm not ideally placed to answer your question. But perhaps a BroadcastReceiver, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/BroadcastReceiver.html, that listens out for Wifi intents. Is that the sort of thing you are after?
Jun 17 08:43:47 <Moopz> johnbentley: I am familiar with a BroadcastReceiver, however my problem is that there's no intent for activity but rather Wifi states such as connected or similar.
Jun 17 08:43:59 <Moopz> Wifi activity that is.
Jun 17 08:46:02 <johnbentley> Moopz. Ok, with you. I'm now scanning the documentation to see if I can find something. No doubt you've had a good look yourself. But I'll see if my random scanning can dig up something you've missed.
Jun 17 08:46:22 <Moopz> johnbentley: I appreciate it.
Jun 17 08:46:47 <spobat> do you use alternative market places? Are they actually useful?
Jun 17 08:47:25 <Varyak> hey guys i have a problem with copy a directory to the sdcard using an updater script while flashing my rom
Jun 17 08:51:00 <johnbentley> Moopz. Could you say a bit more about what you are trying to achieve. For example are you just trying to determine whether your android app should pull or push data to your web based server only if WiFi is connected (and not via 3G). Or are you trying to create an Android App that acts as a sort of Data server?
Jun 17 08:52:54 <Moopz> johnbentley: Basically, I'm trying to get my IO threads to only run when there's a need for it. It's relatively easy for output, however, there's nothing I can really check for, when I want my input thread to run.
Jun 17 08:57:42 <johnbentley> Moopz. So you have an android app that talks to your webserver. The problem is that you sometimes you need to push data from the webserver to the app (pushing from app to webserver is not a problem), but you want to minimise the resources the app uses in listening out for that push from the webserver?
Jun 17 08:58:20 <Moopz> Exactly.
Jun 17 09:00:48 <Leeds> http://androidspin.com/2012/06/14/developers-can-now-reply-to-reviews-in-the-play-store/
Jun 17 09:01:39 <Leeds> referenced story appears to have been pulled...
Jun 17 09:02:05 <johnbentley> Moopz. As mentioned, I'm not in a very good position to help you (as I'm inexperienced on android and won't instantly see the 5 candidate ways of achieving this that an experienced dev will see). However, I have a few basic ideas and suggestions. Standby ...
Jun 17 09:06:37 <johnbentley> Moopz. Most applications I have that need to receive periodic pushes from the web server seem to offer the user the ability to set the frequency of updates (e.g. never, hourly, 3 hourly, daily, weekly). So those applications seem to have an architecture of a periodic and short listen for data. That might beg your question....
Jun 17 09:07:11 <dlaroche> I'm using a tween animation on a view to translate the view. It works, except at the end of the animation the view goes back to its original starting place. What am I missing?
Jun 17 09:08:05 <johnbentley> ... Moopz. but perhaps they such use a regular service that calls network functions in android.net.* See. http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#netw then http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html
Jun 17 09:08:19 <Moopz> johnbentley: That is the solution I have implemeted right now, however I thought there would be smarter ways to go about it.
Jun 17 09:08:39 <JakeWharton> dlaroche: setFillAfter(true)
Jun 17 09:08:56 <JakeWharton> or actually move the view in the animationEnd callback
Jun 17 09:08:57 <Leeds> Moopz: are you waiting on push from your own server, for any I/O, periodic updates, what?
Jun 17 09:10:23 <Moopz> Leeds: Right now I have my application poll the server for updates, and I was merely wondering whether or not there was a way to make the application react to data from the server, without having to poll for it.
Jun 17 09:10:34 <Leeds> yes, you use c2dm
Jun 17 09:10:40 <Leeds> that's what it's there for
Jun 17 09:11:05 <Moopz> https://developers.google.com/android/c2dm/ right?
Jun 17 09:11:12 <Leeds> yup
Jun 17 09:11:27 <Moopz> Yeah I was just looking at that. Thanks.
Jun 17 09:11:53 <Moopz> And thanks johnbentley.
Jun 17 09:12:23 <johnbentley> Moopz. Well there you go. You just needed an experience person like Leeds. :)
Jun 17 09:13:08 <g00s> johnbentley: thought for a sec you were jon bentley :)
Jun 17 09:13:58 <johnbentley> g00z. I'm old, but not that old. And not at that level of expertise. :)
Jun 17 09:14:43 <g00s> :)
Jun 17 09:16:38 <johnbentley> Any takers on my ""Failed to install *.apk on device '*': timeout." issue?
Jun 17 09:17:28 <g00s> i would start off by restarting adb (adb kill-server)
Jun 17 09:17:38 <g00s> replug your phone
Jun 17 09:17:57 <g00s> seems like my phone once in a while just doesn't feel like installing stuff
Jun 17 09:18:29 <johnbentley> g00s. Thanks. They are good suggestions. However, you may have missed my original question ...
Jun 17 09:18:41 <g00s> oops :)
Jun 17 09:19:19 <johnbentley> ... I'm having problems installing an .apk to the Emulator or my physical device (via USB). This occurs whether using Eclipse or the command line. The error, in Eclipse, is "Failed to install *.apk on device '*': timeout.". Details at http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/v3cuq/help_android_error_failed_to_install_apk_on/.
Jun 17 09:19:39 <johnbentley> :)
Jun 17 09:20:35 <g00s> weird
Jun 17 09:20:41 <g00s> did you try uninstalling ?
Jun 17 09:21:02 <g00s> uninstalling on the phone
Jun 17 09:21:14 <g00s> but if both the emu and phone are having trouble, seems like adb server is messed up
Jun 17 09:21:51 <g00s> not installed on the emu ...
Jun 17 09:22:40 <johnbentley> g00s. Reinstalled Eclipse, Java, and Android SDK. I can talk to the adb, for example by sending monkey commands through the shell. The specific problem seems to be with "adb install".
Jun 17 09:22:42 <g00s> oh wow, reading thought the reddit - seems like you have tried a lot
Jun 17 09:23:56 <johnbentley> Yeah, most bugs I can handle myself. This one has brought me to the last resort ... asking others :)
Jun 17 09:26:24 <g00s> johnbentley: so, you can adb shell into either of these OK ?
Jun 17 09:27:20 <johnbentley> g00s. As written above "I can talk to the adb, for example by sending monkey commands through the shell." I don't expect you to have absorbed everything on my reddit post. But information not contained there is that I have successfully ran the emulator on a separate Win7 machine. So the problem is with respect to my WinXP machine.
Jun 17 09:28:32 <g00s> ok, what about adb push or pull ?
Jun 17 09:28:39 <g00s> i understand monkeyt works
Jun 17 09:29:19 <johnbentley> Good suggestion on adb push or pull. I'll try ...
Jun 17 09:34:10 <jacekowski> hi
Jun 17 09:34:39 <johnbentley> g00s. So I launched an emulator and verified that adb can see it with "adb devices". I see my emulator-5554 with a status of "device". I then ran the command "adb push jlbtemp.txt /sdcard/jlbtemp.txt". But it hangs, like "adb install ...".
Jun 17 09:35:00 <guy> I cannot find how to add shadow to element.
Jun 17 09:35:00 <guy> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/drawable-resource.html#Shape
Jun 17 09:35:18 <guy> like box-shadow: 3px 2px 5px #000; in CSS3
Jun 17 09:41:29 <johnbentley> g00s. I tried the adb push command both to the emulator and too a connected device. "jlbtemp.txt" exists on the windows side. I can't find it in my connected device (my phone) in the /sdcard/ directory. ....
Jun 17 09:43:51 <johnbentley> ... g00s. So that was a very helpful diagnostic suggestion. To me it suggests some kind of TCP/IP conflict (as suspicion I've had for a long while). However, I've tried: turning off my firewall and booting into windows safe mode (where only minimal services run and therefore are less likely to produce TCP/IP collisions). Any thoughts?
Jun 17 09:44:25 <g00s> i wondered about a firewall ...
Jun 17 09:45:02 <g00s> you have gone through this much, i would almost be tempted to try running a live-cd ubuntu or something, and trying things from linux
Jun 17 09:45:12 <g00s> not eclipse, just command line with bare sdk install
Jun 17 09:45:33 <g00s> but … since this is also happening in the emu, its strange
Jun 17 09:45:53 <g00s> do you have anything else running on 5554 ?
Jun 17 09:46:05 <g00s> i would think the bind to the port would fail anyhow
Jun 17 09:47:23 <g00s> johnbentley: you might be able to find something out by grabbing one of the sysinternal tools, like procmon, or something like netstat, so see more
Jun 17 09:47:35 <g00s> i need to go to bed though, sorry i could not help more
Jun 17 09:48:59 <johnbentley> g00s. Thanks for your help. Those are helpful comments. Have a great night.
Jun 17 09:49:16 <g00s> gnight
Jun 17 10:35:20 <Jabo> The server encountered an error processing the request. The exception message is 'There was an error deserializing the object of type Services.Messages.CreateGameRequest. End element 'Id' from namespace '' expected. Found element 'Id' from namespace
Jun 17 10:35:36 <Jabo> passing JSON
Jun 17 10:35:47 <Jabo> how is an end element different from an element?
Jun 17 10:52:15 <Sicp> if I have a Dialog that outputs the contents of some logfiles, can I have that output be colored?
Jun 17 11:12:15 <joel135> Sicp, you can create your custom view containing the output. see http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#CustomDialog
Jun 17 11:29:00 <joker_89> hi how can i read html from a wepage that uses Liferay?
Jun 17 11:31:00 <joker_89> anoyone?
Jun 17 11:38:17 <wabz> pretty vague question...
Jun 17 11:38:23 <wabz> what does liferay have to do with it?
Jun 17 11:46:14 <joker_89> [wabz] i want to read a word from an html result of a htp request
Jun 17 11:46:16 <joker_89> http
Jun 17 11:46:54 <joker_89> but appears a script with liferay
Jun 17 12:10:11 <clefster> i have a dumb repo question.. i don't seem to have all the changes on aosp master.. how can get onto the master branch?
Jun 17 12:10:50 <clefster> or should i just nuke it and start over?
Jun 17 12:15:06 <SidGBF> This ActionBar thing, how it works to older android versions?
Jun 17 12:17:21 <BuSheeZy> it doesn't
Jun 17 12:17:36 <BuSheeZy> there is ActionBar Sherlock which is something you can use
Jun 17 12:17:47 <BuSheeZy> to work on older versions
Jun 17 12:18:34 <SidGBF> BuSheeZy: So, it doesn't port automatically...
Jun 17 12:18:41 <BuSheeZy> no
Jun 17 12:18:42 <BuSheeZy> http://actionbarsherlock.com/
Jun 17 12:18:50 <BuSheeZy> This right here will replace your Activity
Jun 17 12:18:58 <BuSheeZy> so you extend to SherlockActivity instead of Activity
Jun 17 12:19:10 <BuSheeZy> and then if it is a older version it will make the action bar shit work for oyu
Jun 17 12:19:13 <BuSheeZy> it will emulate it
Jun 17 12:19:41 <SidGBF> That's nice...
Jun 17 12:19:45 <BuSheeZy> yeah
Jun 17 12:19:49 <BuSheeZy> I have it setup and working right now
Jun 17 12:20:38 <SidGBF> Mmm... 1.* isn't supported...
Jun 17 12:20:46 <BuSheeZy> no
Jun 17 12:20:53 <BuSheeZy> down to version 7
Jun 17 12:21:09 <BuSheeZy> which is like 2.2
Jun 17 12:21:10 <BuSheeZy> or something
Jun 17 12:21:13 <SidGBF> Ok... and, where the <menu /> is declared? Manifest? I didn't knew it existis
Jun 17 12:21:38 <BuSheeZy> what are you talking about?
Jun 17 12:22:04 <BuSheeZy> there is a video tutorial on that site
Jun 17 12:22:07 <BuSheeZy> to set it up
Jun 17 12:22:21 <SidGBF> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/actionbar.html
Jun 17 12:22:31 <SidGBF> it shows a <menu /> tag
Jun 17 12:23:02 <BuSheeZy> oh
Jun 17 12:23:11 <BuSheeZy> talking about your layout
Jun 17 12:23:32 <BuSheeZy> layout/main.xml
Jun 17 12:23:37 <BuSheeZy> i mean
Jun 17 12:23:41 <BuSheeZy> for your first page
Jun 17 12:24:13 <BuSheeZy> you'll be switching between activities
Jun 17 12:24:13 <SidGBF> I found now, sometimes I confuse the 'resource' word and forget that there are stuff on the res folder :p
Jun 17 12:26:05 <kervala> hi there :)
Jun 17 12:27:17 <kervala> i have a problem with Goole Play
Jun 17 12:27:25 <thenovelist> My game seems to be crashing on the title screen for some users, does someone have a minute to download it and see if they can give me some more information? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.batteryacid.highwayrider
Jun 17 12:27:41 <kervala> I just published an application that was created in 2011
Jun 17 12:27:54 <kervala> and it seems i can't install it on some devices
Jun 17 12:28:29 <kervala> my manifest : http://code.google.com/p/android-comicsreader/source/browse/AndroidManifest.xml
Jun 17 12:28:38 <kervala> and application is : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.kervala.comicsreader
Jun 17 12:29:16 <kervala> it's marked as not compatible my tablet with CM 7.2 :(
Jun 17 12:30:52 <bryanl> thenovelist: i just downloaded and installed the game
Jun 17 12:32:22 <thenovelist> ok
Jun 17 12:33:33 <bryanl> thenovelist: what engine backs the game?
Jun 17 12:33:38 <thenovelist> Unity
Jun 17 12:33:51 <bryanl> that's what i thought
Jun 17 12:34:44 <kervala> did someone have a problem with applications published in 2010 ?
Jun 17 12:35:13 <kervala> i mean, old applications can't be installed on "unknown" devices
Jun 17 12:35:18 <kervala> while recent ones can
Jun 17 12:35:47 <kervala> i searched for a similar bug on android tracker but didn't find anything :(
Jun 17 12:36:40 <SimonVT> Your rom is crap, that's why it's marked as incompatible
Jun 17 12:36:55 <SimonVT> Not an android/play store issue
Jun 17 12:39:20 <kervala> SimonVT: but i can install Opera and Angry Birds Rio :)
Jun 17 12:39:35 <kervala> so if i put the same manifest options, it should work, don't you think ?
Jun 17 12:40:11 <BuSheeZy> lol
Jun 17 12:42:35 <SimonVT> Well, if you can install those..
Jun 17 12:43:03 <SimonVT> Your rom is still crap
Jun 17 12:43:09 <kervala> :)
Jun 17 12:43:24 <kervala> SimonVT: i had no choice the original was worst :p
Jun 17 12:43:33 <kervala> Android 2.2 by Toshiba :)
Jun 17 12:43:36 <kervala> never updated
Jun 17 12:43:43 <SimonVT> The original can probably install your apps
Jun 17 12:43:47 <joker_89> hi
Jun 17 12:43:50 <kervala> no there is no market :p
Jun 17 12:43:59 <joker_89> how can i read the html text form a webpage that uses liferay?
Jun 17 12:44:16 <kervala> SimonVT: it was one of the first tegra 2  tablet released in 2010
Jun 17 12:44:24 <kervala> so without market
Jun 17 12:45:56 <SimonVT> still crap
Jun 17 12:46:48 <joker_89> anyone?
Jun 17 12:48:21 <joker_89> i get <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/Liferay.currentURL="\x2f
Jun 17 12:54:31 <BuSheeZy> bloop. http://pastie.org/4102651 I need this but implemented with Asynctask o.O poop
Jun 17 13:01:35 <kervala> BuSheeZy: why do you need to use AsyncTask for this ?
Jun 17 13:01:53 <kervala> AsyncTask is useful when you need to process result on UI thread
Jun 17 13:01:54 <BuSheeZy> someone told me that's what I needed yesterday
Jun 17 13:02:02 <BuSheeZy> wow
Jun 17 13:02:05 <BuSheeZy> I was lied to
Jun 17 13:02:19 <BuSheeZy> but
Jun 17 13:02:22 <kervala> BuSheeZy: you just need to create a thread
Jun 17 13:02:28 <BuSheeZy> okay
Jun 17 13:02:37 <sukramTM> How i style one word in alonger text? In this case I want that this word is bold?
Jun 17 13:02:58 <kervala> BuSheeZy: if you want to parse the json result and display it somewhere, you just need to create an AsyncTask and use your parser in it
Jun 17 13:03:13 <kervala> BuSheeZy: your class is ok :)
Jun 17 13:03:18 <kervala> you don't need to change it
Jun 17 13:03:25 <BuSheeZy> okay, thank you much
Jun 17 13:03:30 <kervala> you're welcome :)
Jun 17 13:09:41 <abdagli> kervala: i think you are wrong
Jun 17 13:10:32 <embed> Hi
Jun 17 13:11:28 <abdagli> in each case BuSheeZy needs AsyncTask
Jun 17 13:11:58 <BuSheeZy> abdagli, he is talking to me via pm and has gone to asynctask again :P
Jun 17 13:12:10 <embed> I wanted to know, I need to create a list from a msg I get as an AlertDialog any suggestions?
Jun 17 13:12:28 <abdagli> BuSheeZy ok :)
Jun 17 13:12:36 <BuSheeZy> abdagli, thanks :)
Jun 17 13:13:32 <kervala> abdagli: yes, but his class is correct
Jun 17 13:13:47 <kervala> he doesn't need to change it
Jun 17 13:14:02 <kervala> just process sockets stuff in doInBackground
Jun 17 13:14:42 <abdagli> kervala you are correct ;)
Jun 17 13:15:12 <abdagli> embed, in alert dialog you can use your xml layout as alert
Jun 17 13:15:40 <abdagli> https://gist.github.com/5f4883f9de477e973f3f
Jun 17 13:18:58 <joker_89> hi
Jun 17 13:21:54 <abdagli> hi joker_89
Jun 17 13:23:14 <embed> abdagli: but if I don't know my list from advance, I can add ot dinamically?
Jun 17 13:23:18 <embed> ot- it
Jun 17 13:24:10 <abdagli> embed yes sure
Jun 17 13:24:33 <embed> thanks! I'll try to do it..
Jun 17 13:24:46 <abdagli> you use listview in this layout. and in activity you can use adapter class and this adapter use this listvies ;)
Jun 17 13:25:28 <embed> how do I put the listView in the alert?
Jun 17 13:27:29 <abdagli> embed wait, i will post a sample
Jun 17 13:27:44 <embed> thank!!!
Jun 17 13:27:47 <embed> s
Jun 17 13:28:10 <abdagli> https://gist.github.com/ba9fedea748bd118e527
Jun 17 13:28:31 <abdagli> embed, this is an alert builder method and uses a layout to show
Jun 17 13:28:49 <abdagli> in this layout, you can put a listview
Jun 17 13:29:59 <Xeli> Hi, im trying to create a script to sign my apk, but it always seems to hang whenever I load up some of the libraries with jni
Jun 17 13:30:12 <Xeli> the app doesnt hang when I sign with eclipse or with the debug key
Jun 17 13:30:17 <embed> I think I've got it... thanks again
Jun 17 13:30:20 <Xeli> any idea why this might happen?
Jun 17 13:32:02 <Thoemchen> Quick question: Android multiplayer development -> java.nio -> Yay or Nay?
Jun 17 13:44:56 <SidGBF> Hi all! Guys, anyone has a link of a good resource about button designs? Im using shape, but I want something more
Jun 17 13:45:48 <SidGBF> is there something like CSS to android, Im having to set the same properties to some buttons and it is boring :p
Jun 17 13:51:11 <juli1> Hi, I would like to know how to get a wigdet form a ui
Jun 17 13:51:31 <juli1> I have a chronometer I would like to take from the UI, I think I can do that using the R constants, right ?
Jun 17 13:55:46 <bryanl> SidGBF: http://www.dibbus.com/2011/02/gradient-buttons-for-android/
Jun 17 13:55:53 <bryanl> Have you read this?
Jun 17 13:56:18 <p_l> SidGBF: there are themes
Jun 17 13:56:21 <SidGBF> lol, I've seen the title, but tought it wasn't what I was looking :)
Jun 17 13:56:31 <SidGBF> p_l: yeah, checking out the style stuff...
Jun 17 13:56:37 <p_l> SidGBF: check d.android.com about styling/themes
Jun 17 13:57:02 <SidGBF> thanks :)
Jun 17 14:02:49 <SidGBF> does Java has an equivalent to C#'s Region?
Jun 17 14:04:09 <p_l> no
Jun 17 14:04:39 <MDijkstra> there might be IDE hints that provide the same purpose
Jun 17 14:04:49 <MDijkstra> but I think it's a pretty bad idea anyway
Jun 17 14:10:28 <SidGBF> MDijkstra: in a small screen computer, even code folding helps
Jun 17 14:10:34 <SidGBF> attachClickToView(new View.OnClickListener() { public void onClick(View v) { showMedMat(); } }, R.id.buttonMedMat);
Jun 17 14:10:52 <SidGBF> I created this method to make it simpler to add the events in the buttons
Jun 17 14:11:14 <SidGBF> but Im wondering if is there a way to pass only the 'showMedMat()' as parameter
Jun 17 14:11:55 <MDijkstra> SidGBF: sure, but you get code folding by defining sensible methods and classes
Jun 17 14:12:14 <SidGBF> MDijkstra: yeah, Region would helps a lot more :)
Jun 17 14:12:16 <MDijkstra> SidGBF: not by hiding the actual problem by slapping some #region tags in methods that are clearly too big
Jun 17 14:12:29 <MDijkstra> again, I disagree :)
Jun 17 14:12:48 <SidGBF> MDijkstra: I have always small methods, but, there are a LOT of them
Jun 17 14:12:49 <alankila> SidGBF: unfortunately java has no concept of method references, so there must always be an anonymous inner class here. However you can fake this through reflection if you like.
Jun 17 14:13:11 <alankila> what I mean is that you can pass in string "showMedMat" and then look for a method by that name when the time to handle click comes
Jun 17 14:13:25 <alankila> this is the closest we get to method references until it's actually possible to obtain them
Jun 17 14:16:28 <SidGBF> alankila: mmm sounds good...
Jun 17 14:16:33 <SidGBF> any link as example
Jun 17 14:16:49 <SidGBF> well, gotta go, later I check this out. Thanks everyone!
Jun 17 14:26:39 <rvsjoen> the min version for my app is API10, and when I built it for my ICS it runs just fine, but on several older versions (API10/11) they get this error "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: android.app.Notification$Builder" does this not work on earlier APi versions ?
Jun 17 14:30:36 <philwong> hi
Jun 17 14:30:52 <philwong> woa rvsjoen your here :D
Jun 17 14:30:54 <philwong> !!
Jun 17 14:31:52 <philwong> I have the andoid galaxy and I cannot seem to get the GOS working.. it either cannot find any signals or the navigation is terrible. Can anyone recommend a good one?
Jun 17 14:32:17 <rvsjoen> meh I just discovered NotificationCompat.Builder which should take of these issues
Jun 17 14:32:21 <rvsjoen> never mind
Jun 17 14:38:24 <Miles8of9> hi all
Jun 17 14:38:34 <Miles8of9> is there a way to show a Drawable together with a text in a Spinner?
Jun 17 14:39:33 <Miles8of9> i can do it in a ListView or ExpandableListView by defining a custom adapter
Jun 17 14:52:56 <spm_Draget> Just juped into Android development, working through the official howtos/guides. The android:name of the default MAIN/LAUNCHER activity begins with a ' . ', i.e. '.MyApp'. As far as I understood, activities should be referenced by their full package name for make them unique in the system. So why is it '.MyApp' and not 'com.blah.MyApp' or just 'MyApp'?
Jun 17 14:53:43 <p_l> spm_Draget: you define package higher up
Jun 17 14:54:47 <spm_Draget> Sorry, I am not sure if I understand.
Jun 17 14:55:26 <spm_Draget> Oh, okay, yes, package is degined directly in the parent node of the manifest.
Jun 17 14:55:27 <p_l> <manifest package="com.x.y.z"><application><activity android:name=".MyApp" />...
Jun 17 14:56:58 <spm_Draget> So the activity name is just concatenated to the package, i.e. '… package="com.foo.bar" … android:name=".MyFirstActivity" …' resolve
Jun 17 14:57:14 <spm_Draget> to com.foo.bar.MyFirstActivity (sorry, hit Enter too early)
Jun 17 14:57:37 <p_l> yes
Jun 17 14:57:51 <p_l> technically you can do without the dot in front, afaik
Jun 17 14:58:28 <spm_Draget> So http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html#AddToManifest could be just as well done without specifying the whole package? *tests*
Jun 17 14:59:32 <rvsjoen> what's the best way to simply rebuild a fragment ? create another one and replace the current fragment, or is there a better way ?
Jun 17 15:00:20 <rvsjoen> base use case is an item fragment that displays some data and a button, when the button is clicked the data is changed and the item fragment needs to be updated
Jun 17 15:00:29 <wongk-home> friggin git is always telling me my submodule is modified
Jun 17 15:01:03 <wongk-home> so can't you just set the values in the controls? or does the layout need to change?
Jun 17 15:01:55 <rvsjoen> exactly, the layout needs to change slightly
Jun 17 15:02:21 <spm_Draget> Hmm, okay. So according to my test. neither the . infront of the MAIN activity in the minfest as created per default nor the full package name as suggested in teh guide I liked above are nessecary.
Jun 17 15:03:04 <spm_Draget> I hope this is intended behavoir and does not break my manifest at some later point if I keep specifying my activities now only with ther relative name and without a . infront =)
Jun 17 15:03:35 <wongk-home> rvsjoen: that's a grey area, controls shown/hidden, what kind of layout change?
Jun 17 15:04:06 <rvsjoen> adding a couple of text views mostly, nothing that major
Jun 17 15:04:07 <AlCapwn> spm_Draget: if you're keeping it short, just go with the safe option and add a dot
Jun 17 15:04:15 <rvsjoen> guess I could show/hide them
Jun 17 15:04:32 <wongk-home> that would probably be the simplest, so i would try that first
Jun 17 15:04:51 <spm_Draget> AlCapwn: Hmm, true. Interpreted in the 'concatenated with the package name' fashion, I should prefix all my names with a .
Jun 17 15:05:15 <rvsjoen> i'll give that shot, thanks
Jun 17 15:09:23 <wongk-home> hmmm, so i've got a bunch of changes on master, i want to roll a 1.3 release with some of the changes and w/o some of the changes... what would be the best strategy for doing that in git
Jun 17 15:09:58 <wongk-home> cherry pick the changes i want on the 1.3 branch?
Jun 17 15:11:34 <Ge0rG> wongk-home: probably, yeah
Jun 17 15:11:36 <wongk-home> hmm, this isn't going to work out for me
Jun 17 15:14:20 <wongk-home> i think im going to have start at an old commit and interactive merge
Jun 17 15:32:52 <wongk-home> i think that actually worked
Jun 17 15:33:01 <wongk-home> good talk, #android-dev
Jun 17 15:53:18 <spm_Draget> I am testing around. This is my current layout: http://dpaste.com/760512/ and I thought if I click somewhere in the view, I could make the TextView show a instance-variable like this: http://dpaste.com/760514/ But I get an IllegalStateException: Could not execute method of the activity when I click somewhere.
Jun 17 15:53:21 <spm_Draget> What am I missing?
Jun 17 15:53:59 <c2tarun> hi friends I wrote this code to change brightness through a seek bar. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045747/  What I expect is to change brightness as I change seek bar.
Jun 17 15:54:23 <c2tarun> but it not happening, it is happening when I am closing the app, locking my phone and unlocking it after some time.
Jun 17 15:55:12 <Leeds> http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/17/Sony-Google-TV-NSZ-GS7-Network-Media-Player-pre-order-j-r/
Jun 17 15:55:19 <Leeds> Sony standalone GTV box coming, apparently...
Jun 17 15:55:30 <c2tarun> spm_Draget, I think you have to set a viewClick listener first.
Jun 17 15:56:54 <spm_Draget> c2tarun: The button worked without a clicklistener, by just specifying this method in my activity. Why would a click to a normal (LinearLayout) view be different?
Jun 17 15:57:20 <canadiancow> wat
Jun 17 15:57:28 <c2tarun> really O_O
Jun 17 15:57:37 <c2tarun> button worked without a click listener??
Jun 17 15:57:59 * c2tarun is it possible??
Jun 17 15:58:23 <kervala> do you mean : button.setOnClickListener(this); ?
Jun 17 15:58:36 <spm_Draget> c2tarun: Yep, as described in http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html#RespondToButton
Jun 17 15:58:58 <kervala> ah yes :)
Jun 17 15:59:12 <SimonVT> tv.setText(this.count); <- this does not do what you think it does
Jun 17 15:59:14 <c2tarun> :)
Jun 17 15:59:17 <spm_Draget> It says 'Note that, in order for the system to match this method to the method name given to android:onClick, the signature must be exactly as shown…'
Jun 17 15:59:23 <SimonVT> Read the javadoc for that setText method
Jun 17 15:59:24 <c2tarun> in that tutorial click method is in xml ;)
Jun 17 16:00:07 <c2tarun> try to set click method for text view in xml something like android:onClick=viewClick
Jun 17 16:00:08 <c2tarun> it should also work
Jun 17 16:00:56 <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with my question :(
Jun 17 16:01:14 <c2tarun> hi friends I wrote this code to change brightness through a seek bar. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045747/  What I expect is to change brightness as I change seek bar.
Jun 17 16:01:16 <c2tarun>  but it not happening, it is happening when I am closing the app, locking my phone and unlocking it after some time.
Jun 17 16:01:57 <spm_Draget> Ohh, the setText(int) definition is for something completely different
Jun 17 16:02:03 <spm_Draget> *tests something*
Jun 17 16:02:11 <SimonVT> Exactly
Jun 17 16:02:16 <SimonVT> It's for resource id's
Jun 17 16:02:19 <SimonVT> R.string.blah
Jun 17 16:02:38 <c2tarun> SimonVT, can you also please look into my problem
Jun 17 16:02:40 <spm_Draget> I guess I need to wrap it in CharSequence or something like this
Jun 17 16:02:56 <SimonVT> String.valueOf
Jun 17 16:03:28 <spm_Draget> There is not setText(String) signature according to the docs/eclipse.
Jun 17 16:03:51 <spm_Draget> Only CharSequence or int or char[] arrays
Jun 17 16:03:57 <SimonVT> So check what interfaces String implements
Jun 17 16:04:40 <spm_Draget> Oh, CharSequence =D
Jun 17 16:04:46 <spm_Draget> Yay \o/
Jun 17 16:05:31 <spm_Draget> Thanks, works!
Jun 17 16:06:23 <c2tarun> SimonVT, can you please at this code? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045747/
Jun 17 16:06:57 <SimonVT> I don't know, I never used that part of the api
Jun 17 16:07:08 <c2tarun> :(
Jun 17 16:07:28 <c2tarun> any one ever tried to changed brightness of mobile, by a app.
Jun 17 16:07:42 <c2tarun> SimonVT, do you know how to choose and change ringtone of mobile?
Jun 17 16:08:16 <SimonVT> Yeah, go to settings and then sound ^_^
Jun 17 16:08:42 <c2tarun> SimonVT, that is one way :) I want to write a code to do that :)
Jun 17 16:08:44 <spm_Draget> c2tarun: What I read so far … you do not want to change the brightness by the app. You want to present the user the intent to change this system setting. Considering 'nice' Application guidelines and such.
Jun 17 16:09:36 <spm_Draget> Android discourages - and if I understood correctly moved it to special permissions and/or phorbided it compltely - for apps to mess with system settings.
Jun 17 16:09:36 <c2tarun> spm_Draget, can you please explain me a bit??
Jun 17 16:09:56 <p_l> c2tarun: what do you need the brightness setting for?
Jun 17 16:10:00 <c2tarun> spm_Draget, I think with proper permissions we can mess up anything in android
Jun 17 16:10:17 <p_l> afaik it's hidden, not public API, except for the Torch permission
Jun 17 16:10:39 <c2tarun> p_l I am trying to make an app that can change ringtone, brightness, volume and few other stuffs, as we time it according to our need.
Jun 17 16:10:49 <spm_Draget> http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/future-proofing.html says this at some point, and I think I read it somewhere else, too.
Jun 17 16:11:21 <p_l> c2tarun: you can do so with Secure Settings permission, I think
Jun 17 16:11:25 <spm_Draget> But I am a novice, just starting to dig into things.
Jun 17 16:11:33 <MDijkstra> and you really shouldn't do this
Jun 17 16:11:33 <p_l> for brightness, there's Torch permission or something like that
Jun 17 16:11:46 <MDijkstra> unless you're targeting an in-house app or something
Jun 17 16:11:57 <p_l> c2tarun: also, I don't think you're competition to Tasker :)
Jun 17 16:12:33 <Leeds> p_l: can you get settings_secure permission without being a system app?
Jun 17 16:12:42 <c2tarun> p_l I was just trying to write a profile managent kind of app ( as in nokia) little bit modified according to my needs.
Jun 17 16:13:04 * c2tarun doing it for practice :) and it feels great to use your own app ;)
Jun 17 16:14:12 <p_l> Leeds: I think Tasker can do it
Jun 17 16:14:15 <c2tarun> ok, lets drop brightness thing, can I change other settings like ringtone, volume and other stuffs?
Jun 17 16:14:46 <MDijkstra> doubt it
Jun 17 16:15:06 <MDijkstra> or wait
Jun 17 16:15:08 <MDijkstra> you can
Jun 17 16:15:34 <c2tarun> how? please dont say RingtoneManager :( I tried it, it didn't work
Jun 17 16:16:08 <MDijkstra> I was talking about the volume
Jun 17 16:16:28 <c2tarun> ohh...
Jun 17 16:17:03 <p_l> well, Tasker has all the "profile" stuff
Jun 17 16:17:17 <MDijkstra> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4178989/android-development-change-media-volume
Jun 17 16:17:25 <c2tarun> p_l is Tasker open source? Can I look at its source code?
Jun 17 16:17:27 <p_l> dunno about where you are, but where I am, it's legal to decompile it to learn how it is done :)
Jun 17 16:17:28 <nickoe> I am fairly new to java... But shouldn't I be able to make a java class in one class file named the same as the class, and then include it as import com.example.testapp.MyClass ?
Jun 17 16:17:37 <p_l> c2tarun: commercial app. Worth it
Jun 17 16:17:41 <MDijkstra> CM have also been adding profile stuff to CM9
Jun 17 16:18:04 <nickoe> ie include it in the main file (the one that contaions the OnCreate function)
Jun 17 16:19:22 * c2tarun just wondering if we'll always use commercial apps, then how can we learn to write those commercial app?
Jun 17 16:19:57 <p_l> c2tarun: that's why there's provision that guarantees reverse engineering as citizen's right in Poland :)
Jun 17 16:21:19 <c2tarun> p_l  I am already in love with Poland :)
Jun 17 16:21:30 <MDijkstra> the first thing I see when opening the tasker app page is
Jun 17 16:21:41 <p_l> c2tarun: a lot of other stuff sucks, so I think of moving to UK ;)
Jun 17 16:21:41 <MDijkstra> "starting with 4.0 changing the screen brightness does not work anymore"
Jun 17 16:22:00 <MDijkstra> dunno its accuracy
Jun 17 16:22:09 <p_l> MDijkstra: well, I have 2.2
Jun 17 16:23:02 <MDijkstra> yeah, but that means it's pretty much a useless feature to implement since it won't be possible anymore in a year or so on the majority of devices
Jun 17 16:23:09 <MDijkstra> maybe two years :p
Jun 17 16:24:44 <c2tarun> BTW how can I find out the open source apps in android?
Jun 17 16:25:19 <c2tarun> hmm..... :( ok, I am sticking to ringtones and volume then.
Jun 17 16:25:20 * c2tarun what's the point of taking android kernel from linux kernel, when there are so much restrictions?
Jun 17 16:25:49 <Leeds> c2tarun: because Google is evil and wants to run the world
Jun 17 16:25:57 <MDijkstra> c2tarun: these restrictions are to stop app writers from doing stuff that they shouldn't
Jun 17 16:26:05 * Leeds makes a note to renew flossdroid.org and then actually do something with it :)
Jun 17 16:26:22 <MDijkstra> c2tarun: people occasionally accept stupid permissions
Jun 17 16:26:39 <spm_Draget> c2tarun: What MDijkstra said, these are not technical restriction but intended ones to stop people with crappy apps to mess with the phone o.o
Jun 17 16:26:41 <BuSheeZy> is there a way to focus the adb logcat thing to just my app or something?
Jun 17 16:27:04 <MDijkstra> c2tarun: that doesn't mean an app should suddenly be able to stomp all over every setting
Jun 17 16:27:12 <Leeds> BuSheeZy: http://android.vmlinuz.org/bbp.html
Jun 17 16:27:36 <MDijkstra> c2tarun: just like on a linux system, even though you choose to run an app, it can't immediately do rm -rf /
Jun 17 16:27:43 <c2tarun> Leeds, really, I thought Google is the biggest supporter of open source.
Jun 17 16:27:43 <c2tarun> MDijkstra, agreed....
Jun 17 16:27:43 <BuSheeZy> thanks
Jun 17 16:27:46 <BuSheeZy> very last thing, lol
Jun 17 16:27:51 <wongk-home> https://github.com/wongk/MultiSelectSpinner ... if anyone has any feedback, feel free to let me know
Jun 17 16:28:10 <Leeds> c2tarun: absolutely, when it suits them
Jun 17 16:28:15 <Leeds> BuSheeZy: the rest is good too :)
Jun 17 16:28:26 <BuSheeZy> I skimmed it :P
Jun 17 16:28:41 <MDijkstra> that's the general theme for companies which support OSS
Jun 17 16:29:05 <wmp> i want to compile C code on NDK r8, how to do it? I cant found compiler
Jun 17 16:30:01 <Leeds> Google are better than most, but they're still not really an open source company
Jun 17 16:30:26 <nickoe> Using the example from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3145089/what-is-the-simplest-and-most-robust-way-to-get-the-users-current-location-in-a/3145655#3145655
Jun 17 16:31:08 <Leeds> wmp: have you actually read the NDK docs?
Jun 17 16:31:23 <wmp> Leeds: docs/readme.html? yes
Jun 17 16:31:26 <wmp> is tiny ;)
Jun 17 16:32:00 <Leeds> and it doesn't say anything in there about creating a makefile, and using the ndk-build script to do the building?
Jun 17 16:32:12 <Leeds> because that's what it says at http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/index.html
Jun 17 16:32:43 <spm_Draget> Is there a way to print some debug infos elegantly? I assume system.out is not an option :P
Jun 17 16:32:45 <nickoe> I have created a android project and added the above class as a file MyLocation.class and impory com.example.appname.MyLocation to the main file, and then added the locationResult stuff to my activity. But eclipse says that "Location cannot be resolved to a type" and the same for LocationResult.
Jun 17 16:33:28 <Leeds> spm_Draget: http://android.vmlinuz.org/bbp.html
Jun 17 16:34:15 <spm_Draget> Okay okay :P
Jun 17 16:35:05 <spm_Draget> I assuem LOGCAT! =D
Jun 17 16:35:19 <Leeds> now why would you think that?
Jun 17 16:35:28 <spm_Draget> Tingeling in my toe.
Jun 17 16:35:37 <Leeds> good toe
Jun 17 16:35:42 <wmp> Leeds: I must make makefile? I want only compile short program to test this on big-endian
Jun 17 16:36:05 <Leeds> wmp: you must follow the instructions is what you must do, you must
Jun 17 16:37:01 <wmp> ;) ok
Jun 17 16:52:41 <spm_Draget> I do not understand. I use a normal 'private int counter;' instance variable in my main view (and do not add it to any Bundle or such). When I go back to my homescreen, my app is moved to the stopped state. But the instance is still there, as long as there is memory and such - and opening it again, my counter will keep its value. But at any point android can decide to kill it for OOM reasons and such. So far, correct?
Jun 17 16:53:23 <wongk-home> yes
Jun 17 16:53:24 <p_l> seems ok
Jun 17 16:53:34 <spm_Draget> If I go to systemsettings -> applications -> manage and do a 'force stop' - I noticed 1. that onDestroy is not called. Plus 2. when I open it again, there is no state info left. It confuses me what the 'Bundle' then is actually saving.
Jun 17 16:54:26 <spm_Draget> Or is 'Force Stop' more violent, and when android stops my app for OOM reasons it is something different? This being the moment where the 'Bundle' is used to save the state of views?
Jun 17 16:54:28 <wongk-home> 1. kill your app is different than Android killing 1 activity, 2. the Bundle saves what you tell it to save
Jun 17 16:54:28 <codefriar> I have ActionBarSherlock working well with my appication and it currently uses a transparent, overlay mode for the actionbar. I was wondering if there was a way to set it to translucent rather than transparent. I get a lot of google hits when searching for translucent but nothing that actually seems to show how to do it. Anyone have an RTFM ?
Jun 17 16:54:41 <spm_Draget> Ah okay.
Jun 17 16:54:52 <tabbykitten> spm_Draget: onPause was called
Jun 17 16:55:01 <spm_Draget> Yup
Jun 17 16:55:17 <wongk-home> onPause was called when the Activity lost focus, not when the app was killed
Jun 17 16:55:37 <spm_Draget> But TextViews and such are automatically put into a Bundle that is passed to my view onCreate as savedInstaceState, right?
Jun 17 16:56:39 <tabbykitten> right
Jun 17 16:59:13 <spm_Draget> So, if I show my counter variable in a textview… to provoke a broken behavior where my internal coutner variable is lost, I would have to make android kill my view some other way (like taking lots of memory with other apps) and then if I would start it again, the savedInstaceState would recreate the text on my TextView, but my internal 'counter' instance variable would be back to 0, right?
Jun 17 17:00:44 <Timmaah1201> Is authentication via location a feasible thing to do in Android? To be more specific.. I want people to be able to do an action if they are in within a certain geographical area? (5mile radius)
Jun 17 17:01:54 <BuSheeZy> been wondering what the hell I'm doing wrong and it turns out this server my friend let me use has fucked up php settings
Jun 17 17:02:04 <wongk-home> spm_Draget: it is likely that would would set the text in your TextView in onCreate, overwriting may have been restored
Jun 17 17:02:49 <spm_Draget> If it has any security implications, then no, since these values can be unprecise or tampered with, Timmaah1201. But for example for offering geogrphically based adds, services or such where it is not a drastic security problem if someone gets the wrong stuff, sure.
Jun 17 17:03:34 <lautriv> can anyone tell me where to d/l sources for gigabread+ ?
Jun 17 17:04:19 <Timmaah1201> spm_Draget: Thanks, nothing where security risks may occur, it would be very odd for someone to fake a location in order to do this action anyway as its merely the ability to suggest something. Is it fairly straight forward thing to do?
Jun 17 17:04:55 <spm_Draget> Is there a way to provoke an 'android stopping' with the saved state so my view is called with 'onCreate' again?
Jun 17 17:05:29 <wongk-home> lautriv: s.android.com
Jun 17 17:06:04 <wongk-home> spm_Draget: you can make android do that with the developer settings on your device
Jun 17 17:06:15 <wongk-home> Setting > Apps > Development
Jun 17 17:06:19 <wongk-home> 4.0+, though
Jun 17 17:06:42 <lautriv> wongk-home, i don't need the generic android but the specific patched gigabread kernel-sources.
Jun 17 17:07:09 <wongk-home> i don't know what gigabread is, but this is the wrong channel for your question
Jun 17 17:07:20 <wongk-home> try #android-root
Jun 17 17:07:26 <spm_Draget> Ah well, developing for 2.3.3 since all the guides tell me to go for lower versions and include (optional) features of newser versions by reflections and such :P
Jun 17 17:07:53 <wongk-home> that doesn't mean you can't test on 4.0+ (in fact your should)
Jun 17 17:08:14 <spm_Draget> Yes, setting up a AVD… checking.
Jun 17 17:10:40 <spm_Draget> Hmm, that means I also need to download the SDK sources and such for ICS:
Jun 17 17:11:49 <wongk-home> you should download the SDK for all platforms you intend to support
Jun 17 17:14:03 * spm_Draget is downloading, then will create an ICS AVD and see what the developer menu holds for suprises
Jun 17 17:16:01 <kervala> I succeeded to reproduce the bug :p http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=33221
Jun 17 17:16:09 <kervala> did this happen to someone else ?
Jun 17 17:16:34 <kervala> or if you don't have an unknown device to check i can check myself for your application :)
Jun 17 17:17:05 <kervala> in fact, applications published before 2012 can't be installed on unknown devices
Jun 17 17:17:14 <kervala> while applications published in 2012 can
Jun 17 17:22:02 <wongk-home> my app was created in 2012
Jun 17 17:22:10 <spm_Draget> Gee, ICS takes some time to boot in the emulator <.<
Jun 17 17:22:20 <wongk-home> the ICS emulator is quite slow
Jun 17 17:22:27 <wongk-home> slower than the previous emulators
Jun 17 17:22:31 <Timmaah1201> think it took me 20 minutes spm_Draget :D
Jun 17 17:22:46 <Timmaah1201> If I didn't end up getting a galaxy nexus.. doing this project wouldn't been absolutely awful
Jun 17 17:23:02 <wongk-home> and for some reason, on my machine, the x86 emulator is even slower than the arm emulator
Jun 17 17:23:06 <spm_Draget> Well, it was only 2-3 minutes now, it is up and running.
Jun 17 17:23:34 <Timmaah1201> better spec than mine! android 2.3 emulator takes just over 5 minutes
Jun 17 17:23:47 <wongk-home> Timmaah1201: that's unbearabley slow
Jun 17 17:23:58 <Timmaah1201> ya. the laptops not great to be fair
Jun 17 17:24:00 <wongk-home> you must have quite an old machine
Jun 17 17:24:48 <spm_Draget> wongk-home: The setting that helps me debugging how well I take care of my state, you were thinking of, is 'Don't keep activities', right?
Jun 17 17:24:52 <Timmaah1201> its relatively new, just low spec. Got a much more powerful desktop, but didn't want to split development on multiple machines.
Jun 17 17:25:26 <Timmaah1201> (do development at home and at uni)
Jun 17 17:32:26 <spm_Draget> wongk-home: Okay, I see what you mean, onDestroy is called right after stop.
Jun 17 17:33:30 <wongk-home> Timmaah1201: why not, that's what VCS is for
Jun 17 17:33:39 <wongk-home> i dev the same app on 3 different machines
Jun 17 17:34:32 <spm_Draget> I have one EditText and one TextView, the second one being update with the internal vairable. As expected, after my View was destroyed, my coutner was reset to 0. And the EditView did remember the text I wronte into it, but my internal variable was reset.
Jun 17 17:34:54 <Timmaah1201> wongk-home: Googled VCS but didn't come up with what I guess you mean.. what's vcs stand for?
Jun 17 17:34:55 <spm_Draget> What I do not udnerstand: My TextView that I shoed the value of the internet variable in was not restored.
Jun 17 17:35:04 <Timmaah1201> uni computers don't have all the SDKs installed on them is another issue
Jun 17 17:35:09 <bryanl> does the adt 20 preview actually work?
Jun 17 17:35:14 <mgj> version control system
Jun 17 17:35:15 <pallavagrawal> i am working on an application that uses nfc and bluetooth any suggestions for an application on which i can build upon ?
Jun 17 17:35:17 <Timmaah1201> I usually use dropbox for my eclipse projects and do it at home and uni
Jun 17 17:35:18 <mgj> in other words: git
Jun 17 17:35:23 <Timmaah1201> aah
Jun 17 17:35:32 <mgj> or subversion if you hate life
Jun 17 17:36:21 <spm_Draget> Why was the text of my TextView not saved in teh state o.o
Jun 17 17:36:26 <wongk-home> versio control system
Jun 17 17:37:43 <spm_Draget> And I just tried ignoring the staved Bundle by 'super.onCreate(null);' as the first call in my onCreate. And yet android somehow managed to still remember what I have typed before into my EditText.
Jun 17 17:42:23 <wongk-home> man it went from not raining to terrential downpour
Jun 17 17:45:16 <under> Hi. I'm creating an address book. I get all contacts and print name and username in a listview. If I want to delete one of theme with a contextual menu, I can only make a query specifing name and surname and not the ID field that I've not more. How can I fix this?
Jun 17 17:46:24 <wongk-home> yeah, i did not follow that question
Jun 17 17:48:39 <under> wongk-home: in the listactivity I've only Name and Surname, not the ID field.
Jun 17 17:49:07 <alankila> under: so don't lose the id value.
Jun 17 17:49:15 <alankila> seems rather obvious to me.
Jun 17 17:49:19 <wongk-home> if you have your own list of objects and make a custom adapter for it, then you have all the information you want
Jun 17 17:52:06 <under> alankila: I dont care to show it
Jun 17 17:53:31 <GeeksOnHugs> according to the documentation it appears that the constant LENGTH_SHORT and LENGTH_LONG (for toasts) is android.widgets.Toast but I've imported it and the compiler still doesn't like it?  is that the wrong unit?  or file, not sure what the java terminology is for those files...we called them units in pascal
Jun 17 17:55:09 <wongk-home> Toast.LENGTH_SHORT
Jun 17 17:55:23 <GeeksOnHugs> ohhhh...cool, thanks :)
Jun 17 18:04:08 <ArGGu^^> Can I create service that won't be killed when closing app from ICS task switcher?
Jun 17 18:11:49 <brx_> when using Network + LocationLitern
Jun 17 18:12:27 <brx_> when using the Network Location Listener, how is it locating you exaclty? surely not by IP addy?
Jun 17 18:13:24 <brx_> LocationListener*
Jun 17 18:13:59 <MaaaZ> hi, is it possible to disable ASLR on android emulator ?
Jun 17 18:15:38 <under> Hi can I get the value of the listactivity alement on onContextItemSelected ?
Jun 17 18:17:05 <spm_Draget> So, input elements like EditText only save their state by inputs done by the user. If I - as the coder - change the value of a TextView, it is _NOT_ automatically saved. So to preserve some displayed counter, I need to add(/and restonre onCreate) the counter variable and the TextView itself.
Jun 17 18:22:25 <GeeksOnHugs> how can I allow the UI to get fully caught up before continuing with a process I have being called right after my mainactivity opens up?  It's not long enough to put in a different thread but long enough that it pauses too much before the UI is displayed.  In Delphi I would call Application.ProcessMessages...so something equivalent to that plz
Jun 17 18:28:24 <wongk-home> GeeksOnHugs: use a Handler
Jun 17 18:28:30 <BadDesign> Anyone used AndroidAnnotations project (https://github.com/excilys/androidannotations) with IntelliJ IDEA? I have a hard time figuring out how to make it work.
Jun 17 18:29:12 <GeeksOnHugs> wongk-home what do you mean?
Jun 17 18:29:21 <spm_Draget> I just read about retaining an object when my app gets restarted, for example when the orientation changes. Just after I read about bundles and how android saves some instance information in them. Is there any reason for not doing the following: Moving all my programm states and stuff to some object like 'myModel' or 'myConfiguration' (you get the idea), and always just retaining this object, never using Bundles for my own
Jun 17 18:29:21 <spm_Draget> states?
Jun 17 18:29:36 <wongk-home> GeeksOnHugs: google Android Handler
Jun 17 18:31:45 <Jonathan_Eyre> I am having a problem with an HTML5WebView. The javascript has an onload that autoplays the video, which works. However, when I leave the video page to go to a different page without an onload, "apparently", the onload from the last page fires, and the video plays in the background.
Jun 17 18:32:26 <Jonathan_Eyre> I've no idea why the video plays on the second page.
Jun 17 18:32:39 <Jonathan_Eyre> Does anyone have similar experiences?
Jun 17 18:33:42 <Jonathan_Eyre> I don't know how to get the WebChromeClient to NOT play a video when there is no video on the page.
Jun 17 18:34:16 <eoss> can someone help me understand callback functions
Jun 17 18:34:20 <eoss> i dont know ho they work
Jun 17 18:35:11 <spm_Draget> eoss: Functions called by Android on certain events - you overwrite them in your activities. Check the dev guide
Jun 17 18:37:14 <Jonathan_Eyre> Possibly, what is happening is the onload is firing on the first page right when the page is transitioning to the second page...
Jun 17 18:41:27 <alankila> under: nothing says you have to show the id, you just make a class with fields like id, name and then show the name while keep the id to yourself
Jun 17 18:41:31 <alankila> anyway I hope someone else pointed this out already
Jun 17 18:41:47 <alankila> this is how things normally are done. Encoding information as String sucks
Jun 17 18:42:40 <GeeksOnHugs> wongk-home thanks, I'll look into that...I also found there is in java Application.DoEvents but that doesn't appear to be in android application objects ...I also found an android activity method called TakeKeyEvents()...I'll look into Android Handler too...thx bro
Jun 17 18:47:51 <abdagli> hi
Jun 17 18:48:08 <Jabo> evening
Jun 17 18:50:05 <spm_Draget> Property Animation is for fancy UI-Movement effects, blending in/out parts of the UI and such things. For more advanced 2D graphics as for example in a game, I should resort to using a 2d graphics library made for such animations, right?
Jun 17 18:53:27 <Dahliz91> I have cloned the CM Contact app from the repo but get "com.android.internal.R cannot be resolved as a variable". Anyone that knows what the problem is.
Jun 17 18:55:44 <Shano56> maybe a question for @cyanogenmod ?
Jun 17 18:55:48 <Shano56> #cyanogenmod*
Jun 17 18:56:17 <abdagli> Dahliz91 there is an error, so the project didn't compile
Jun 17 18:56:25 <Dahliz91> I have asked there but no response. I thought the "com.android.internal.R..." could be a common problem.
Jun 17 18:57:06 <Dahliz91> Yes, but I don't understand what is causing that problem. No errors in res, only src. problems and I think that i what causing those
Jun 17 18:57:08 <abdagli> most likely, there is an error on layouts
Jun 17 18:57:34 <spm_Draget> Dahliz91: Your sources need to be built at least once for the buildscript to create that reference-helper-class for the UI
Jun 17 18:58:04 <Jonathan_Eyre> There is a javascript function that fires on "Onended". The function loads a different page. It looks like when the javascript fires on "onended", the Onload functionality fires as well. This only happens on Android Webview.
Jun 17 18:59:15 <Jonathan_Eyre> The Onload is what makes the video play, so what the user sees, is a video play all the way through, and at the end of the video, a second page pops up, only to have the audio for the video play in the background.
Jun 17 18:59:21 <Dahliz91> spm_Draget: I have tried to build it, by cleaning and so, but not working
Jun 17 18:59:59 <abdagli> Dahliz91: check the drawables, layouts and strings
Jun 17 19:01:03 <Dahliz91> abdagli: already have, no errors there
Jun 17 19:09:57 <dlaroche> Has anyone worked with LibGDX before? Is it worth the learning curve to implement a 2D turned based game??
Jun 17 19:19:20 <JakeWharton> how do I add the .jar output from another "module" to the compilation classpath via ant?
Jun 17 19:20:53 <JakeWharton> i'd really prefer to avoid something archaic like copying it to the libs/ folder
Jun 17 19:25:58 <wongk-home> JakeWharton: copying it to that folder also causes it to be deployed automatically
Jun 17 19:26:22 <JakeWharton> yeah that's gross though
Jun 17 19:26:34 <wongk-home> seems fairly handy to me :P
Jun 17 19:27:03 <JakeWharton> maybe if it's some jar you downloaded from the internet
Jun 17 19:27:19 <JakeWharton> i'm building 5-10 adjacent modules that live in the same project
Jun 17 19:27:30 <JakeWharton> and they shouldn't have to be stupid library projects just to be included
Jun 17 19:27:38 <wongk-home> oh, so you want to say this project depends on that one like in eclipse?
Jun 17 19:28:15 <JakeWharton> eh, somewhat. though i've already run proper compilation paths on the modules so there's already a .jar
Jun 17 19:28:23 <JakeWharton> i just want to point to it for inclusion
Jun 17 19:29:59 <wongk-home> well, i'd probably just look at the ant script included in the SDK for direction
Jun 17 19:30:12 <JakeWharton> yeah it's a horror show
Jun 17 19:30:16 <JakeWharton> damn ant
Jun 17 19:30:20 <JakeWharton> worst build system ever
Jun 17 19:30:25 <wongk-home> hah
Jun 17 19:30:26 <JakeWharton> or rather, non-build system
Jun 17 19:30:53 <SimonVT> Why don't you just use maven, I heard it's awesome :p
Jun 17 19:30:59 <dlaroche> JakeWharton: what is your profession?
Jun 17 19:31:01 <JakeWharton> i will cut you
Jun 17 19:31:13 <JakeWharton> i'm an Android developer
Jun 17 19:31:23 <SimonVT> haha
Jun 17 19:31:35 <dlaroche> What company do you develop for?
Jun 17 19:31:37 <JakeWharton> Square
Jun 17 19:31:45 <dlaroche> nice
Jun 17 19:31:48 <dlaroche> just curious
Jun 17 19:32:05 <JakeWharton> SimonVT: I moved all our standalone modules to build with maven but now I can't get the crappy ant scripts in the core modules to reference the final .jars
Jun 17 19:32:21 <JakeWharton> i might just copy them to libs/ and throw a .gitignore *.jar in there
Jun 17 19:32:24 <JakeWharton> so gross
Jun 17 19:32:39 <wongk-home> i bet no matter what you do, your going to be butting heads with the android packaging tools expecting the jars to be in libs
Jun 17 19:32:47 <dlaroche> It seems like any tools that are developed for developers are all half assed, and left for the "developers" to finish cleaning them up or fixing their shitty bugs
Jun 17 19:33:03 <JakeWharton> well that's why I use neither Eclipse nor Ant :)
Jun 17 19:33:28 <dlaroche> It would be nice if NetBeans had a good implementation to develop for Android with
Jun 17 19:33:41 <Jonathan_Eyre> Anybody here have experience with HTML5 video playing in the background of a webview?
Jun 17 19:33:53 <wongk-home> i've heard theres an integration for netbeans, i don't know how well it works
Jun 17 19:33:59 <dlaroche> What about it Jonathan
Jun 17 19:34:15 <dlaroche> wongk: from my understanding it is still left to be desired
Jun 17 19:34:48 <Jonathan_Eyre> dlaroche: Um, I don't like it...
Jun 17 19:35:03 <dlaroche> Jonathan: im lost
Jun 17 19:35:16 <dlaroche> is that a statement or a question...lol
Jun 17 19:35:37 <Jonathan_Eyre> What do you mean, what about it? How to you get it to NOT play in the background when the html page it is looking at has NO HTML5 whatsoever. The LAST page did.
Jun 17 19:36:00 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: I doubt there's a good solution
Jun 17 19:36:01 <Jonathan_Eyre> The video from the last page play in the background of page number two.
Jun 17 19:36:03 <bsellers267> Hey guys, can you help me modify this xml file for launcher2.apk? http://pastebin.com/5a9pkk3C
Jun 17 19:36:13 <SimonVT> That plays well with the android build system
Jun 17 19:36:16 <bsellers267> I need the phone hotseat to go to the contacts app on my phone
Jun 17 19:37:00 <dlaroche> Way to ask for help there Jonathan
Jun 17 19:37:25 <bsellers267> Does anyone understand the syntax of array.xml?
Jun 17 19:40:35 <dlaroche> I have an onClickListener for an image. When the image is clicked I start an animation to move the image down. However, when you click the image again nothing happens, you have to click where the image originally was for it to move again???? Any recommendations?
Jun 17 19:41:10 <JakeWharton> move it in onAnimationEnd
Jun 17 19:42:04 <dlaroche> JakeWharton: can u please expand on that a little bit?
Jun 17 19:43:55 <dlaroche> So I listen for the animation to end. and then move the actual image down to the position that the animation ended on???
Jun 17 19:48:46 <dlaroche> did i get disconnected?
Jun 17 19:49:20 <dlaroche> romainguy: you are good with graphics....I have an onClickListener for an image. When the image is clicked I start an animation to move the image down. However, when you click the image again nothing happens, you have to click where the image originally was for it to move again???? Any recommendations?
Jun 17 19:49:34 <yuizy> why so many ?'s
Jun 17 19:50:01 <dlaroche> Because without questions you will never learn....lol....sorry
Jun 17 19:50:25 <Jonathan_Eyre> Most serious questions warrant a maximumof three question marks. Any more and it's just noise.
Jun 17 19:50:27 <yuizy> i'm not talking about questions, i'm talking about question marks :|
Jun 17 19:51:27 <dlaroche> My emphesim on the question??? I don't know lol
Jun 17 19:51:53 <yuizy> well
Jun 17 19:51:57 <yuizy> what happens when you do that?
Jun 17 19:52:09 <yuizy> moving the image at on-end
Jun 17 19:52:47 <dlaroche> the image moves down 65%, and then to move it again you have to click where the image orignially was to invoke the onClickListener again
Jun 17 19:53:09 <dlaroche> even though the image is not originally where it was....hope that makes sense
Jun 17 19:53:30 <yuizy> 65%?
Jun 17 19:54:04 <yuizy> 65% of how much it's supposed to move?
Jun 17 19:54:06 <JakeWharton> animations translate the canvas on which a View is drawn
Jun 17 19:54:20 <JakeWharton> if you want the image to register clicks somewhere else you have to actually move where the image is
Jun 17 19:54:24 <Jonathan_Eyre> It turns out that the webview is not to blame for the video playing in the background... The stock android browser has the same problem. And since the stock browser uses a webview anyway, it is not surprising that both have the same bug.
Jun 17 19:54:29 <JakeWharton> so when the animation ends, move the image to the new location
Jun 17 19:54:40 <dlaroche> yes, i move the image fromYDelta="0" to toYDelta="65"
Jun 17 19:55:07 <dlaroche> JakeWharton, but when the animation ends the image is where it is suppose to be......
Jun 17 19:55:17 <JakeWharton> no, the canvas is where you want it to be
Jun 17 19:55:22 <JakeWharton> the image's View hasn't moved
Jun 17 19:55:25 <SimonVT> you've moved the visual aspect.. now move the actual view
Jun 17 19:55:31 <dlaroche> I see
Jun 17 19:56:30 <dlaroche> Almost appears it would be better just to start implementing what I have for this game to an actual game engine. I don't want to do that though, because AndEngine and LibGDX only support devices 2.2+
Jun 17 19:56:59 <dlaroche> And the documentation SUCKS!
Jun 17 19:57:46 <dlaroche> It's a simple turned based game, and I know a game engine will be over kill, but at the same time, Androids drawing abilities are a handful to deal with
Jun 17 20:00:01 <dlaroche> Ahhh fuck it....guess just smoke a fat joint....and call it a day
Jun 17 20:00:42 <wongk-home> that's one way to go
Jun 17 20:00:48 <g00s> hehe
Jun 17 20:01:11 <dlaroche> lol....didn't say I was leaving the channel.....dang.....lol
Jun 17 20:19:57 <glaucous> I'm making a (simple) folder music player. How do most music players handle this: I read the MediaStore and save folder names, titles and ID, this is all I need for browsing. However, when I need to play them I need to lookup Artist/Album/Path for each selected track. Does it make more sense to save all that from the beginning (more memory), or do that when playing (more CPU)?
Jun 17 20:20:24 <glaucous> save = store in memory*
Jun 17 20:42:38 <Prot> Question: if my bluetooth player only has a button for pause/play, can I change the command to 'next' instead?
Jun 17 20:42:46 <Prot> is there any way to assign commands to different commands?
Jun 17 20:52:21 <eitama> Can anyone recommend a way to get invited into #android-hacking? I have an apktool hacking question which I know is not appropriate for this channel. Also if anyone feels like helping I'd be greatfull.
Jun 17 21:23:56 <sanelss> Is anyone working with touch events in the android 4.0.4 api? I'm trying to move a program built for 2.2 and some touch events seem to be unusable like MotionEvent.ACTION_POINTER_UP
Jun 17 21:24:54 <sanelss> 06-17 15:55:38.070: D/ASDF(16647): MotionEvent { action=ACTION_POINTER_DOWN(1), id[0]=0, x[0]=337.26047, y[0]=573.58997, toolType[0]=TOOL_TYPE_FINGER, id[1]=1, x[1]=524.62744, y[1]=536.4637, toolType[1]=TOOL_TYPE_FINGER, buttonState=0, metaState=0, flags=0x0, edgeFlags=0x0, pointerCount=2, historySize=0, eventTime=41228387, downTime=41227672, deviceId=2, source=0x1002 }
Jun 17 21:26:11 <sanelss> that's what I get out of logcat. I can't however seem to be able to catch it in my switch case structure. Eclipse tells me it's not valid. only option is ACTION_DOWN
Jun 17 21:26:58 <sanelss> That doesn't get triggered though.
Jun 17 21:29:02 <sanelss> Ahahaha wow nvm. I figured out what it was. It was en eclipse misconfiguration. When I setup the project I targeted 4.0.3 with min version of 1.6 and eclipse chose build target of 1.6 instead of higher version
Jun 17 21:32:13 <Timmaah1201> I've got three spinners, each dependent on the one above it. I need to do it so the second one populates on the selected item in the first, and the third on the selected item in the second
Jun 17 21:32:32 <Timmaah1201> How do I go about doing this in a clean manner?
Jun 17 21:45:05 <joker_89> hi
Jun 17 21:45:06 <Shaba1> Hello can anyone reccomenc a good tutorial on using eclipse.
Jun 17 21:45:16 <Shaba1> Especially the visual layout portion.
Jun 17 21:45:23 <Shaba1> I know about project creation
Jun 17 21:46:08 <joker_89> anyone can help my with liferay?
Jun 17 21:48:07 <Shaba1> What is liferay
Jun 17 21:49:51 <joker_89> is Liferay Portal is a free and open source enterprise portal written in Java
Jun 17 21:50:13 <joker_89> [Shaba1] i am reading a webpage that uses this portal, and the html is hidden by this script
Jun 17 21:50:14 <p_l> does't seem fitting for this channel
Jun 17 21:50:15 <Timmaah1201> Shaba1: You'll probably get a better answer in #eclipse
Jun 17 21:50:56 <Shaba1> Timmaah1201 probably not.
Jun 17 21:51:23 <joker_89> [p_l] what?
Jun 17 21:51:24 <Shaba1> Damn the Y key on my keyboard is going out. Just what I needed right now.
Jun 17 21:51:47 <Shaba1> In there they are more concerned about eclipse in general then android specifically.
Jun 17 22:04:22 <Shaba1> nap time all. Be back in 2 hours
Jun 17 22:19:34 <spyros1234> hi
Jun 17 22:21:32 <joker_89> hi S0lign0c
Jun 17 22:22:53 <spyros1234> i am planing to make an adroid developers network to help people around the world locate developers... i havent find anything focusing on developers
Jun 17 22:23:03 <spyros1234> if someone is interestedplease msn me
Jun 17 22:23:20 <spyros1234> i dont know if this is the right place for that
Jun 17 22:30:47 <gaz`> finally tracked whats going on with my webviews, on my nexus its fine but on my ICS device its not, if i do setBackgroundColor to transparent (so I can apply my own background) then the content of the webview appears briefly then vanishes, if i remove this it works fine, but of course then i cant have my background image that i want, any ideas?
Jun 17 22:34:16 <JakeWharton> can I really not put test classes in the same project and have ant run them?
Jun 17 22:34:19 <JakeWharton> they have to be separate?
Jun 17 22:40:56 <p_l> joker_89: well... liferay portal doesn't seem connected much with android developement
Jun 17 22:57:11 <gaz`> looks liek icant set webviews ot transparent on ICS prob have to control bg in the html itself
Jun 17 23:04:56 <gaz`> why is that when im trying to deploy to my tab its always having probs with adb, i have to go into settings turn off an on development mode and also unplug it all the time, it rarely works for long, yet on my nexus one its perfectly fine
Jun 17 23:06:43 <readme> any reason why layout margins wouldn't work if I put them in an editTextStyle?
Jun 17 23:25:36 <jrockjiggz> I keep spelling android  androind.. its getting annoying
Jun 17 23:27:47 <GeeksOnHugs> I've read the help but I'm very confused on how to programatically change a spinner's list?  I just want to clear the list and add a few new items.
Jun 17 23:30:33 <JakeWharton> change the data that backs its adapter and then call notifyDataSetChanged
Jun 17 23:31:09 <GeeksOnHugs> kk...I found a couple of sources that indicate I should create a new one and assign it?
Jun 17 23:31:33 <GeeksOnHugs> to change it directly I would have to cast the SpinnerAdapter as an ArrayAdapter?
Jun 17 23:31:48 <JakeWharton> ah good old array adapter
Jun 17 23:31:49 <JakeWharton> i don't know
Jun 17 23:31:54 <JakeWharton> i usually just write my own adapter
Jun 17 23:32:11 <JakeWharton> it nets better results
Jun 17 23:32:39 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, I got a sample to play with...np...I think definately the interfaces for android gui items could be simpler
Jun 17 23:33:08 <JakeWharton> they're already pretty basic
Jun 17 23:33:21 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, actually I think I might understand why it's this way
Jun 17 23:33:42 <GeeksOnHugs> cause you can pretty much do anything for a roll your own adapter, is that right?
Jun 17 23:34:51 <MDijkstra> some things have crappy documentation
Jun 17 23:34:53 <GeeksOnHugs> well I'm comparing to Delphi which has an elementary interface in comparison (though complex under the hood, it's more hidden)
Jun 17 23:34:53 <JakeWharton> yes. the idea being, you change the contents of the array that you have inside the adapter
Jun 17 23:34:57 <MDijkstra> such as how to tell a listview to reload
Jun 17 23:35:05 <GeeksOnHugs> i c
Jun 17 23:35:30 <readme> haha the documentation gets a lot more scarce than that
Jun 17 23:35:36 <readme> just play with styles
Jun 17 23:35:46 <readme> the most undocumented thing
Jun 17 23:35:49 <MDijkstra> ugh
Jun 17 23:35:49 <MDijkstra> yeah
Jun 17 23:35:59 <MDijkstra> and half of it doesn't work right
Jun 17 23:36:05 <MDijkstra> or used to, anyway
Jun 17 23:36:18 <MDijkstra> (try to center the window title text)
Jun 17 23:36:36 <readme> in the absence of a spec the implementation defines what is 'right' i guess
Jun 17 23:36:44 <GeeksOnHugs> developer.android.com is pretty thorough and not too bad, but the reference portion needs more examples and practical information
Jun 17 23:37:19 <GeeksOnHugs> like the developer guide portion is great for that, but less thorough than the reference portion
Jun 17 23:37:26 <MDijkstra> yeah, it's just that some API's aren't that well documented, styles & adapters being two examples
Jun 17 23:38:21 <MDijkstra> you shouldn't have to dig through 5 API pages to figure out how to tell a listview to requery its adapter
Jun 17 23:41:35 <MDijkstra> (keep track of the DatasetObserver instances you get when registerDataSetObserver() is called)
Jun 17 23:41:43 <JakeWharton> uh
Jun 17 23:41:49 <JakeWharton> you just call notifyDataSetChanged on the adapter
Jun 17 23:42:02 <JakeWharton> and it does all the for you
Jun 17 23:42:15 <MDijkstra> only ListAdapter has it
Jun 17 23:42:42 <MDijkstra> *ArrayAdapter
Jun 17 23:43:46 <BuSheeZy> I have a condition blowing my mind
Jun 17 23:44:09 <MDijkstra> I'm actually wrong, BaseAdapter has it as well
Jun 17 23:44:09 <BuSheeZy> all of my debug lines are puting out the string I'm comparing yet the condition returns false o.O
Jun 17 23:47:41 <BuSheeZy> http://i.imgur.com/lxSuZ.jpg anyone able to see my problem from the SS?
Jun 17 23:48:45 <MDijkstra> BuSheeZy: == compared object identity in java
Jun 17 23:48:49 <MDijkstra> compares
Jun 17 23:49:01 <MDijkstra> ie, you're not comparing the strings
Jun 17 23:49:08 <MDijkstra> you're comparing whether they are the same object
Jun 17 23:49:10 <BuSheeZy> oh, wow...
Jun 17 23:49:20 <MDijkstra> if you want to compare the strings, you'll need to do:
Jun 17 23:49:30 <MDijkstra> "hello".equals(someHelloString)
Jun 17 23:49:36 <gaz`> hmm my tab ix "large" not even "xlarge"?
Jun 17 23:49:39 <gaz`> anyone know htc one x is
Jun 17 23:50:08 <BuSheeZy> MDijkstra, thanks
Jun 17 23:50:12 <BuSheeZy> should of asked a long time ago
Jun 17 23:50:19 <BuSheeZy> before adding debug lines everywhere
Jun 17 23:50:29 <MDijkstra> hehe, np
Jun 17 23:50:46 <MDijkstra> gaz`: I'm guessing large/xhdpi
Jun 17 23:51:15 <MDijkstra> and xlarge/mdpi for a galaxy tab 10.1
Jun 17 23:52:17 <bankai_> gaz`: what's the htc one X like ? thinking of buying one
Jun 17 23:58:39 <JakeWharton> the One X is nothing short of beautiful
Jun 17 23:58:45 <JakeWharton> the screen is unbelievable
Jun 18 00:05:34 <Leeds> JakeWharton: pity about Sense, really...
Jun 18 00:05:47 <jug6-alt> Note > One X
Jun 18 00:05:55 <JakeWharton> false
Jun 18 00:06:12 <jug6-alt> ...
Jun 18 00:06:19 <Leeds> to be fair, it's certainly "bigger than" :)
Jun 18 00:06:34 <Jug6ernaut> bigger is better
Jun 18 00:07:06 <Jug6ernaut> all One X has over Note is RGB, i would still take note tho
Jun 18 00:07:25 <JakeWharton> I wouldn't. You look like an idiot carrying one.
Jun 18 00:07:51 * Jug6ernaut carries it in his pocket
Jun 18 00:09:35 <Leeds> they are really popular here - you see a lot of them on the street... maybe better to say you *notice* a lot on the street, because they stand out
Jun 18 00:10:42 <eoss> can anyone tell me why its not setting text for the broacast rrecevier: http://pastebin.com/rnM03et9
Jun 18 00:10:53 <MDijkstra> the Note isn't that impressive imo
Jun 18 00:11:03 <eoss> bts is the name of the broadcaste receiver
Jun 18 00:11:03 <MDijkstra> its software is also fairly slow
Jun 18 00:11:15 <eoss> name of BlueToothSensor*
Jun 18 00:12:23 <Leeds> eoss: logcat!  is the receiver being called or not?
Jun 18 00:13:54 <eoss> Leeds: what specifically can i look for that will show it..
Jun 18 00:14:28 <Leeds> eoss: well, you could look for a system event for it - but I meant you should put a log message in the receiver
Jun 18 00:15:08 <eoss> i dont see anything that mentions a receiver in the log.. i see a bluetoothmapreceiver
Jun 18 00:15:08 <Leeds> Log.i("bts","Hello, I'm a receiver!");
Jun 18 00:15:23 <MDijkstra> also, 2 lines of code really doesn't give enough information to diagnose this
Jun 18 00:15:27 <eoss> well thats what my set text is suppsoed to do
Jun 18 00:15:43 <eoss> i tested the settext ouytside the broadcastreceiver and it works
Jun 18 00:15:46 <eoss> so its not being called
Jun 18 00:15:57 <Leeds> erm... you tested it in Activity context, presumably?
Jun 18 00:16:15 <Leeds> seriously, log it
Jun 18 00:16:31 <eoss> inside the onreceive method right
Jun 18 00:17:29 <MDijkstra> also, how do you obtain 'broadcastertest'?
Jun 18 00:17:49 <Leeds> have you tested logging it yet?
Jun 18 00:18:11 <eoss> yes its not showing
Jun 18 00:18:25 <Leeds> right, then you know the problem is the receiver not being called
Jun 18 00:18:30 <eoss> nothing comes up for bts in the filter
Jun 18 00:19:31 <eoss> well ive registered it in the oncreatemethod as such demonstrated by the pastebin
Jun 18 00:19:52 <Leeds> you really haven't pasted enough for us to tell what's going on
Jun 18 00:20:03 <Leeds> but I'm done with breakfast now, so office hours are over for a while
Jun 18 00:20:56 <eoss> =[
Jun 18 00:26:26 <eoss> Leeds: it works now..the Receiver I built I only had a reference to it, I never created it as an object before passing it into  onregister
Jun 18 00:44:53 <Leeds> eoss: and if you'd given us more of your code in the paste, we'd have told you that...
Jun 18 00:54:18 <gaz`> I need to open an xml file in the gui editor in eclipse but when i open the file it always opens in"design" and not the gui editor - any ideas?
Jun 18 00:56:41 <gaz`> argh
Jun 18 00:58:23 <gaz`> wtf am i meant to do even a right click won show the layout editor option
Jun 18 00:59:52 <bankai_> there's  a tab there that says XML or source or something
Jun 18 01:00:05 <gaz`> yeh i know
Jun 18 01:00:13 <gaz`> but its not there unless the layout editor opens it
Jun 18 01:00:15 <gaz`> which it isnt
Jun 18 01:31:01 <gaz`> now im really confused, every single webview in my app brings up the content for a microsecond then it vanishes, this happens only on later OS, testing on ICS, if i remove setbackgroundcolour then all is fine, only problem is then i cant have transparent webviews.... BUT ONE of the webviews in my app works perfectly with setbackgroundcolor on and i see no reason why it should be different
Jun 18 01:31:02 <gaz`> to any others
Jun 18 01:33:30 <brx_> i was refactoring some Class names in my app, now when I run the app on the device only a black screen shows. Furthermore when I go back and try to load any of my previous backups the same thing happens. How can I locate the problem, it must be on the device from what I can see, something along the line sof package name conflics perhaps?
Jun 18 01:33:50 <gaz`> yeh prob the manifest didnt refactor
Jun 18 01:33:52 <gaz`> check that
Jun 18 01:34:12 <brx_> but that wouldnt explain why none of my previous backups work either
Jun 18 01:34:28 <brx_> i have uninstalled all instances of the pp from the device
Jun 18 01:34:28 <gaz`> hmm
Jun 18 01:34:34 <gaz`> that is weird
Jun 18 01:34:41 <brx_> totally
Jun 18 01:34:46 <gaz`> then again nothing suprises me now
Jun 18 01:34:50 <gaz`> the shit im going thru with webviews
Jun 18 01:34:54 <gaz`> starting to get like j2me
Jun 18 01:35:09 <brx_> heh
Jun 18 01:35:15 <gaz`> im sickened by myissues
Jun 18 01:35:34 <brx_> i havnt worked with webview much
Jun 18 01:35:38 <brx_> only a little
Jun 18 01:35:43 <brx_> so i doubt i would be able to help you
Jun 18 01:35:45 <readme> if you see a black screen and nothing crashes or ANR, I think there's a problem with setContentView and/or layout in onCreate
Jun 18 01:36:16 <readme> could just need a clean build
Jun 18 01:37:00 <brx_> even yesterdays backup i saved does the same thing wen i load it, that was 100% working
Jun 18 01:37:08 <brx_> ive tried 3 or 4 different backups
Jun 18 01:37:14 <gaz`> damn this some webviews work the rest dont.. :-/
Jun 18 01:37:14 <brx_> none of them work properly
Jun 18 01:37:24 <brx_> thats why i think the problem might be with the device
Jun 18 01:37:40 <brx_> tried all sorts :s
Jun 18 01:37:53 <gaz`> :-/
Jun 18 01:38:58 <gaz`> tried rebooting device?
Jun 18 01:39:01 <gaz`> cleaning project
Jun 18 01:39:04 <gaz`> restarting eclipse?
Jun 18 01:39:05 <brx_> ye twice
Jun 18 01:39:08 <brx_> havnt tried that
Jun 18 01:39:10 <gaz`> damn
Jun 18 01:39:11 <brx_> might restart thi laptop
Jun 18 01:39:17 <brx_> brb
Jun 18 01:39:19 <gaz`> worth a try i guess
Jun 18 01:40:48 <readme> ugh there are so many fakers in our world man
Jun 18 01:41:16 <readme> people list 12 languages on their resume then their only github project/foss code is <50 lines
Jun 18 01:41:38 <readme> then they act like they are fucking brilliant, 24/7
Jun 18 01:43:16 <gaz`> hehe
Jun 18 01:43:20 <gaz`> yeh but u dont need code on github
Jun 18 01:43:31 <gaz`> maybe they have it on their hd
Jun 18 01:45:35 <wabz> I list "Fluency in:" and "familiar with" on mine
Jun 18 01:45:35 <DigitalKiwi> I don't have any php/java/objective-c/python on github but I have a decent amount of experience (and code written in) with all of them
Jun 18 01:45:43 <wabz> it's pretty hard to know what to put
Jun 18 01:45:53 <readme> heresay, DigitalKiwi
Jun 18 01:46:00 <DigitalKiwi> ?
Jun 18 01:46:07 <readme> I could say the same about myself but I don't
Jun 18 01:46:13 <DigitalKiwi> ok...
Jun 18 01:46:18 <readme> I don't believe in bragging about skills that I can't prove with tangible code
Jun 18 01:46:25 <DigitalKiwi> all of the code i write in those languages has been for work
Jun 18 01:46:30 <DigitalKiwi> aka not open sourceable
Jun 18 01:46:44 <readme> admittedly, that's a problem
Jun 18 01:46:48 <wabz> and I think that'd be the case with most people...
Jun 18 01:46:58 <DigitalKiwi> wabz: ty, that's the point i was trying to make
Jun 18 01:46:58 <readme> if you really loved any of the languages IMHO you'd share at least a couple lines of code in that language
Jun 18 01:47:13 <readme> heresay is worthless in evalauating tech skills
Jun 18 01:47:17 <readme> evaluating*
Jun 18 01:47:22 <readme> not saying I don't believe you
Jun 18 01:47:23 <readme> it's just my view
Jun 18 01:48:26 <wabz> most of my open source code in the wild is C, but definitely not the language I'm most familiar with
Jun 18 01:48:57 <readme> wabz: tbh the kind of person who I am thinking about in frustration has hardly any code in the wild
Jun 18 01:49:09 <wabz> heh
Jun 18 01:49:13 <DigitalKiwi> most of mine is Lua because that's what I actually enjoy writing with
Jun 18 01:49:17 <readme> if you've got thousands of lines of C out there, i'll take your word for it if you say you know some python
Jun 18 01:49:21 <readme> but at least have SOME code
Jun 18 01:49:39 <readme> other than 10 lines of jquery
Jun 18 01:49:52 <readme> on your homepage to animate your list of skills
Jun 18 01:50:02 <wabz> lol
Jun 18 01:50:09 <DigitalKiwi> 1666 emails
Jun 18 01:50:10 <DigitalKiwi> shit
Jun 18 01:51:14 <gaz`> i been writing java since 1997 readme and none is available
Jun 18 01:51:33 <readme> gaz`: you should consider making something available then.
Jun 18 01:51:39 <gaz`> yeh
Jun 18 01:51:44 <gaz`> i have a few apps i wanna opensrc
Jun 18 01:52:03 <gaz`> this .setBackgroundColor(0x00000000);    is gonna kill me
Jun 18 01:52:07 <readme> ready
Jun 18 01:52:11 <gaz`> client will not want webviews without nice backdrops
Jun 18 01:52:18 <readme> setBackgroundColor(0x00000100)
Jun 18 01:52:23 <readme> thank romainguy for that fix
Jun 18 01:52:24 <gaz`> whats that
Jun 18 01:52:27 <gaz`> WTF
Jun 18 01:52:33 <gaz`> if that works i will be so happy
Jun 18 01:52:35 <readme> lots of devices screw up pure transparent background because of a bug
Jun 18 01:52:58 * gaz` prays
Jun 18 01:53:12 <gaz`> what would we do without mr guy
Jun 18 01:53:15 <brx_> im praying that i can figure out whats gone on here lol
Jun 18 01:53:43 <readme> maybe the battery is dead in the device?
Jun 18 01:53:47 <readme> you say black screen, right?
Jun 18 01:53:56 <brx_> its actually full Ive had it in all day
Jun 18 01:53:58 <brx_> ye
Jun 18 01:54:06 <brx_> as though setcontentview isnt called like you say
Jun 18 01:54:14 <brx_> and no other backups work of this also
Jun 18 01:54:17 <brx_> which is WEIRD
Jun 18 01:54:23 <readme> set a breakpoint on setContentView
Jun 18 01:55:15 <gaz`> readme that indeed does stop my content vanishing!.. but now the background is black?
Jun 18 01:55:41 <gaz`> what colour does that 0x00000100 represent
Jun 18 01:55:58 <readme> it's transparent
Jun 18 01:56:02 <readme> whatever is behind that view is black
Jun 18 01:56:05 <readme> that's probably why
Jun 18 01:56:08 <gaz`> right
Jun 18 01:56:13 <gaz`> so i dont set a bg to the webview
Jun 18 01:56:16 <gaz`> i do it on the stuff below
Jun 18 01:56:22 <readme> oh transparent webview
Jun 18 01:56:32 <readme> maybe you need to make the css transparent
Jun 18 01:56:33 <gaz`> yeh its a webview
Jun 18 01:56:41 <readme> I use transparent webviews so I know it works
Jun 18 01:56:46 <readme> i'll check 1 sec
Jun 18 01:56:47 <gaz`> using 0x00000100?
Jun 18 01:57:00 <gaz`> it works fine on my nexus one this only messes up on ICS it seems
Jun 18 01:57:09 <gaz`> wlel i dont knwo for sure but it works fine on 2.3.3
Jun 18 01:57:22 <gaz`> i tested my app on my mates htc one x and i was so shocked how bad it works
Jun 18 01:57:34 <gaz`> so today im trying to get itworking on both using my htc flyer (ics) as a test
Jun 18 01:59:52 <readme> http://pastie.org/4106089
Jun 18 01:59:54 <readme> thats all it takes
Jun 18 02:00:01 <readme> no special attribs in the WebView
Jun 18 02:00:04 <readme> remove the #00000100
Jun 18 02:00:14 <gaz`> hmm
Jun 18 02:00:17 <gaz`> no that wont work
Jun 18 02:00:22 <readme> if you need to you can replace Color.TRANSPARENT with 0x00000100
Jun 18 02:00:23 <readme> why not?
Jun 18 02:00:44 <gaz`> i dont know why but as soo nas u make the call to set to transparent the webview content dissapears
Jun 18 02:00:52 <gaz`> on both ICS devices ive tested on
Jun 18 02:01:07 <readme> that didn't happen on any devices I tested on
Jun 18 02:01:18 <readme> and I did test it on ICS
Jun 18 02:01:28 <gaz`> well weirdly it works on one of my webviews
Jun 18 02:01:30 <gaz`> but not the rest
Jun 18 02:01:35 <gaz`> so im utterly confused
Jun 18 02:01:41 <readme> I think it's probably to do with the webview's content
Jun 18 02:01:53 <gaz`> hmmmm
Jun 18 02:01:55 <gaz`> good point
Jun 18 02:02:32 <gaz`> yeh i triedur code, the content flash up very briefly
Jun 18 02:02:34 <gaz`> then vanishes
Jun 18 02:05:27 <gaz`> readme sent u some links, also im confused why webview.setBackgroundColor(0x00000100);   doesnt make content vanish but makes bg black
Jun 18 02:05:58 <gaz`> maybe romainguy can help if hes awake, im praying heis
Jun 18 02:05:59 <parco> gaz`: is the containing view transparent?
Jun 18 02:06:50 <gaz`> no the containing view has the background i want to show when the webview becomes transparent
Jun 18 02:06:50 <readme> gaz`: test both views with the same content
Jun 18 02:06:55 <readme> to be sure the content is the cause
Jun 18 02:07:14 <gaz`> good call!
Jun 18 02:09:39 <gaz`> i also dont get hwo this can betransparency 0x00000100
Jun 18 02:09:53 <brx_> i really need to sleep, cant believe what my error was
Jun 18 02:10:44 <brx_> since I have not integrated the app with the remote service the dataset was empty, and I have removed my db.insert() sattments on from oncreate() in order to get an intitial dataset
Jun 18 02:11:14 <brx_> soz :)
Jun 18 02:12:04 <JakeWharton> gaz`: 0x00anything is transparent
Jun 18 02:12:21 <JakeWharton> 0x00123456
Jun 18 02:13:19 <gaz`> ah yes good point first two is alpha yeh
Jun 18 02:13:31 <gaz`> confused my my webview contant vanishes when i set transparent tho
Jun 18 02:14:17 <gaz`> hmmm i did what u said readme it doesnt vanish if i use that url thats works
Jun 18 02:14:22 <gaz`> so it must be the content
Jun 18 02:14:52 <gaz`> which si very odd
Jun 18 02:14:54 <gaz`> is
Jun 18 02:52:11 <gaz`> hmm the one that worked isnt now and nothign has change ;/
Jun 18 02:56:41 <Mintoris> is it possible for an android app to create an apk file on the android device?
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