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Jun 26 03:00:23 <jrockjiggz> hey, would anyone be willing to share a full android project? I would like to see how its done, maybe from a different perspective
Jun 26 03:00:58 <devslash> you mean you want to see a full android project
Jun 26 03:01:12 <g00s> jrockjiggz: you can look at the iosched code
Jun 26 03:01:17 <g00s> or any aosp project
Jun 26 03:01:24 <jrockjiggz> hmm ok
Jun 26 03:01:35 <g00s> like contacts, the browser, the old music player, erc
Jun 26 03:01:37 <g00s> *etc
Jun 26 03:01:43 <jrockjiggz> cool
Jun 26 03:02:02 <g00s> i would look at iosched 2010 and ignore 2011, and then when 2012 comes out look at that one again
Jun 26 03:02:30 <g00s> which should be very soon
Jun 26 03:02:37 <jrockjiggz> do you know a way to have a user log-in and share that session with a php session? is there any frameworks built for this?
Jun 26 03:03:53 <g00s> jrockjiggz: you can also watch the io 2010 talk on android & rest
Jun 26 03:04:04 <g00s> i /think/ its 2010 , could be 2011
Jun 26 03:04:34 <jrockjiggz> thanks i'm lookin at it now
Jun 26 03:05:03 <JakeWharton> there's tons of awesome open source apps
Jun 26 03:05:12 <JakeWharton> search GitHub
Jun 26 03:12:23 <BrutalSauce> Is anyone willing to take a look at my application and tell me what the hell I am doing wrong?
Jun 26 03:13:33 <T-Dub> What errors are you getting.
Jun 26 03:14:18 <BrutalSauce> Sometimes it will pass in my values and create the new table row some times it wont.
Jun 26 03:14:28 <BrutalSauce> and sometimes it will force close and sometimes it wont
Jun 26 03:14:29 <BrutalSauce> http://db.tt/WvuTAELQ
Jun 26 03:14:33 <BrutalSauce> There is my app
Jun 26 03:15:59 <Austrie> if i was making a question game, where would i load the questions and answer s from if there's like 40 questions and 160 answers?
Jun 26 03:18:26 <BrutalSauce> T-Dub, will you take a look at that for me
Jun 26 03:18:55 <T-Dub> An array?
Jun 26 03:18:57 <jerry_l> how do i connect my android 2.3.4 tablet to a windows wireless share without installing other apps?
Jun 26 03:19:00 <T-Dub> Austrie^
Jun 26 03:19:39 <T-Dub> BrutalSauce, I don't have time to look at your whole project, just send me a snipit of where the problem is.
Jun 26 03:19:44 <Schuyler113> So uh, starting my first hello world type deal. Anyone have time to answer a few questions?
Jun 26 03:19:56 <T-Dub> Ask away Schuler113.
Jun 26 03:20:24 <Schuyler113> Downloading the SDK libraries, which API/Distro would I want if I want the app to be compatible with all devices?
Jun 26 03:20:41 <BrutalSauce> http://pastebin.com/iX4t2KJm
Jun 26 03:20:47 <BrutalSauce> There you go T-Dub
Jun 26 03:20:49 <Austrie> T_DUB
Jun 26 03:21:11 <Austrie> 40 QUESTION && 160 ANSWERS IN A ARRAY!!!!
Jun 26 03:21:20 <Austrie> caps
Jun 26 03:21:36 <T-Dub> Schuyler114, you would want to go with the lowest number then. (lowest api level)
Jun 26 03:21:37 <jerry_l> android 2.1
Jun 26 03:21:53 <Austrie> the code will look sloppy and unmanagable
Jun 26 03:22:01 <Schuyler113> Alrighty, that's what I thought. Thanks!
Jun 26 03:22:13 <T-Dub> Austrie, I would suggest two different arrays, one for questions and one for answers. Or maybe even a 2d array. However that isn't really a big array at all. You can have thousands of indexes with no problems.
Jun 26 03:22:44 <T-Dub> An array would looke better than hard codding 200 different variable.s
Jun 26 03:23:11 <Austrie> and i want the 4 answer to show on the screen and you have to select one for the question then it'll show either correct or wrong
Jun 26 03:23:15 <T-Dub> I wouldn't suggest making a text file then loading it because the user could delete it. If you want to take the time you can also make each question/answer a string inside string.xml
Jun 26 03:23:45 <T-Dub> Using an array could make that possible. Just would require some math.
Jun 26 03:23:53 <g00s> i would just put the questions and answers in res/arrays.xml or something. like parallel arrays or whatever
Jun 26 03:24:15 <Austrie> T-Dub but what about making the question show up a certain way
Jun 26 03:24:17 <g00s> if you need to localize them, its easy
Jun 26 03:24:20 <Austrie> for example....
Jun 26 03:24:31 <Austrie> How old is Fred?
Jun 26 03:24:36 <Austrie> A: 10 years
Jun 26 03:24:46 <Austrie> B: 27 years
Jun 26 03:24:53 <Austrie> C: 08 yearsa
Jun 26 03:25:00 <Austrie> D: 94 years
Jun 26 03:25:14 <Austrie> then it would shows either a correct or wrong image
Jun 26 03:25:29 <T-Dub> Just set the array in the format of "question","answer1","answer2","answer3","answer4","question","answer1" etc
Jun 26 03:25:45 <Austrie> and explanation for the answer
Jun 26 03:25:49 <Austrie> ok
Jun 26 03:25:52 <Austrie> cool
Jun 26 03:26:05 <Austrie> that deals with the array part
Jun 26 03:26:17 <T-Dub> and do echo array[questionNumber] array[questionNumber + 1] array[questionNumber + 2]
Jun 26 03:26:17 <T-Dub> etc
Jun 26 03:26:32 <Austrie> but what would i show it in aka a view
Jun 26 03:27:08 <T-Dub> Just do textView.setText(array[questionNumber]; textView2.setText(array[questionNumber + 1]
Jun 26 03:27:09 <T-Dub> etc
Jun 26 03:27:31 <T-Dub> You would also need another array to decide what answer is correct.
Jun 26 03:27:43 <T-Dub> And correspond it to the index of your answer within the first array.
Jun 26 03:28:01 <T-Dub> Or actually
Jun 26 03:28:06 <T-Dub> Just check the text
Jun 26 03:28:34 <T-Dub> when they click the text view do like answer = textView.getText();
Jun 26 03:29:14 <T-Dub> then like if(answer.contains("theRealAnswerText") { echo"Hey you got the answer right"; }else{ nope }
Jun 26 03:32:44 <Austrie> hmm
Jun 26 03:36:29 <Austrie> thanks
Jun 26 03:36:41 <Austrie> so my ui is gonna be mosty array...
Jun 26 03:40:54 <T-Dub> Well if you know a better way go for it.
Jun 26 03:52:16 <jerry_l> how do you make an EXIT/CLOSE button for android.
Jun 26 03:52:35 <T-Dub> You aren't supposed to.
Jun 26 03:52:50 <maraz> ... unless you're using services which you need to actually quit.
Jun 26 03:53:01 <T-Dub> Google frowns upon it.
Jun 26 03:53:30 <T-Dub> The service just needs to close/stop, not necessarily just a exit/close button.
Jun 26 03:53:45 <T-Dub> Any ways jerry_1 the only way I know how to is to just start every activity with startActivityForResult
Jun 26 03:53:51 <jerry_l> i made a small app but hate to have to use the back arrow to get out of it. would rather close it.
Jun 26 03:53:52 <T-Dub> And when the "quit" button is pressed.
Jun 26 03:54:06 <jerry_l> close window?
Jun 26 03:54:14 <T-Dub> Set the result to a universal number that you want to be the "quit" number, and make a chain reaction of finish()'s
Jun 26 03:54:20 <jerry_l> stop activity?
Jun 26 03:54:26 <T-Dub> uh
Jun 26 03:54:33 <T-Dub> just call the method finish()
Jun 26 03:54:47 <jerry_l> thanks.
Jun 26 03:56:16 <jerry_l> Answert (Romain Guy): The user doesn't, the system handles this automatically.
Jun 26 03:56:24 <jerry_l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2033914/quitting-an-application-is-that-frowned-upon
Jun 26 03:56:54 <T-Dub> That's what I basically just told you.
Jun 26 03:57:12 <jerry_l> yep.
Jun 26 03:57:27 <jerry_l> i was looking up how to do it.
Jun 26 03:58:44 <parco> what is the correct term for an autocomplete search box that pulls its list from an online resource?
Jun 26 04:01:19 <jerry_l> reading more about it, but is still readiing more about reason why not.
Jun 26 04:03:04 <jerry_l> on my friends ipad(new one) it started boggin down while using music apps and then we found that 5 different apps were still running (nornal) so we had to close them for the virtual instruments not ot lag real hard.
Jun 26 04:03:26 <jerry_l> running in the background.
Jun 26 04:11:43 <maraz> jerry_l: that wont't happen on android, since only the foreground activity is running at any given time, others are stopped in the background (services etc. notwithstanding)
Jun 26 04:14:09 <jerry_l> that sounds good.
Jun 26 04:15:15 <jerry_l> i was going start sqlite learning for android tablet to modify DB on XP cpu file server.
Jun 26 04:19:05 <cythes> Jackneill: I think your missing an "O" in there some place... Assuming I have the reffrence correct and that is not just your name.
Jun 26 04:19:19 <Jackneill> :)
Jun 26 04:19:49 <cythes> Jackneill: I guess I got it right :D +1
Jun 26 04:22:21 <jerry_l> <Button  android:text="@string/self_destruct"        android:onClick="selfDestruct" /> HA HA!!!
Jun 26 04:22:30 <jerry_l> http://www.ehow.com/info_12214209_make-exit-button-android.html
Jun 26 04:22:37 <fieryNatsu> Hello
Jun 26 04:23:34 <fieryNatsu> Is it recommended to store values from findViewById in a field, provided that it is used more than once? (the value)
Jun 26 04:41:30 <aaronsnoswell> Q: When I have a drawable asset that has a .png component, and a .xml component, I'm at a loss as to what naming convention I should use.
Jun 26 04:42:03 <aaronsnoswell> Ideally I would like to have them have the same name, but have the .png component start with an underscore (seeing as that one isn't actually used, only referenced from the xml asset).
Jun 26 04:42:15 <aaronsnoswell> But ADT doesn't let you have drawables that start with an underscore.
Jun 26 04:42:26 <aaronsnoswell> Anyone else found a good naming convention for this situation?
Jun 26 04:42:41 <aaronsnoswell> I can put a trailing underscore, but that just looks ugly.
Jun 26 04:42:59 <Leeds> I'd probably use foo_img.png or something
Jun 26 04:44:25 <jerry_l> i am running in circles now..
Jun 26 04:45:01 <jerry_l> i need a database file on my xp cpu that shares files to modify
Jun 26 04:45:48 <jerry_l> so that i can try to modify it from my android 2.3.4 tablet wirelessly.
Jun 26 04:46:30 <jrockjiggz> I'm super confused about ArrayAdapter.. it seems to be a classto pass an array to a view?
Jun 26 04:46:54 <jerry_l> do i have to install oracle on my xp file server or could i just get a blank database example and use that?
Jun 26 04:47:44 <jerry_l> the other easier way : to use sqlite on my tablet and have the database on my SD card .
Jun 26 04:48:22 <jerry_l> but i read that eclipse had something about sqlite issue.?
Jun 26 04:48:41 <BrutalSauce> After I use a spinner item how can I disable it?
Jun 26 04:49:03 <jerry_l> and next week connect to the computer.
Jun 26 04:51:10 <jrockjiggz> BrutalSauce: still learning.. but..  spinner.setVisibility(View.GONE); ?
Jun 26 04:52:37 <BrutalSauce> jrockjiggz, Nope that makes the whole list go away
Jun 26 04:54:35 <jrockjiggz> BrutalSauce: spinner.setEnabled(false);
Jun 26 04:55:15 <jrockjiggz> .setClickable(false);
Jun 26 04:57:09 <BrutalSauce> Nope
Jun 26 05:04:12 <eSatsu> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/app-builder/a-context-enabled-grid-view-layout-for-android/722 I wonder why using this is crashing for me, I get a nullpointerexception at the g.setAdapter(mAdapter); line in mainactivity
Jun 26 05:04:25 <Austrie> I have a set of text views and a imageview inside a linearlayout; I have a custom background image for the linearlayout. But I need a semi transparent box to hold all the items inside the linearlayout so the text views are readable
Jun 26 05:04:26 <jerry_l>  Tutorial Details  SQLite Difficulty: Intermediate Estimated Completion Time: 60 Minutes
Jun 26 05:04:35 <jerry_l> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/android/android-sqlite/
Jun 26 05:05:02 <Austrie> the only idea i came up with is to gave themcustom backgrounds, but the background aren't semi transparent....
Jun 26 05:07:37 <Austrie> any help
Jun 26 05:08:54 <joholz> so you just need the imageview to be transparent?
Jun 26 05:10:33 <joholz> to set background transparent just put 80 before the color code
Jun 26 05:10:39 <joholz> *hash color code
Jun 26 05:11:30 <joholz> anyone willing to help me with some memory optimization?
Jun 26 05:12:17 <joholz> I have a socket connection and I constantly send messages via OnTouchEvent()
Jun 26 05:12:22 <joholz> http://pastebin.com/5LdfnhnP
Jun 26 05:13:09 <joholz> I believe the action_move is taking a lot of memory, but I am not sure how to solve it
Jun 26 05:15:45 <joholz> So what would be the best way to handle many touchevent message being sent through a socket connection?
Jun 26 05:25:26 <Austrie> I have a set of text views and a imageview inside a linearlayout; I have a custom background image for the linearlayout. But I need a semi transparent box to hold all the items inside the linearlayout so the text views are readable
Jun 26 05:25:54 <Austrie> i want a grayish transparent box to hold the views inside the linearlayout
Jun 26 05:26:06 <Austrie> though im switching to relative loyout though
Jun 26 05:28:20 <joholz> Austrie, did you try to set background transparent by putting 80 before the color code?
Jun 26 05:28:41 <Austrie> didnt work
Jun 26 05:28:54 <Austrie> error
Jun 26 05:28:57 <Austrie> 80#B3B3B3
Jun 26 05:29:55 <joholz> *#80B3B3B3
Jun 26 05:31:39 <Austrie> thanks, i wanted it to look more cool like a pop up dialog box
Jun 26 05:31:48 <Austrie> how they have a border
Jun 26 05:31:58 <Austrie> then the transparency inside
Jun 26 05:32:11 <joholz> that just made the whole thing transparent?>
Jun 26 05:34:49 <Austrie> nah
Jun 26 05:35:23 <Austrie> i use the that hex code to turn views background gray transparen
Jun 26 05:35:25 <Austrie> t
Jun 26 05:45:36 <eliransapir> what do you guys think about www.apptopia.com?
Jun 26 05:51:38 <JakeWharton> they have a very busy website
Jun 26 05:52:58 <eliransapir> you mean design wise?
Jun 26 05:55:29 <Austrie> omfg man
Jun 26 05:55:53 <Austrie> i can wrap_content in relativelayout with main.xml but not this new xml i made!!!
Jun 26 05:56:04 <Austrie> i keep gettign android:orientation="vertical"
Jun 26 05:56:23 <Austrie> and plus im using android:layout_alignParentBottom="true"
Jun 26 05:56:25 <Austrie> too
Jun 26 05:56:27 <Austrie> in bot
Jun 26 05:56:30 <Austrie> *both
Jun 26 05:56:47 <Austrie> but this new xml is acting up for some reason
Jun 26 05:59:55 <Austrie> JakeWharton:
Jun 26 06:00:06 <Austrie> JakeWharton: you up?
Jun 26 06:00:12 <JakeWharton> 24/7
Jun 26 06:00:37 <Knossos> Jake is a robot. He passes the Turing test, but only just.
Jun 26 06:01:58 <Austrie> JakeWharton: I was wondering in relativelayout if i put a view containing android:layout_below= and android:layout_above= will the view take up all the space inbetween the two objects its between or will there still be space?
Jun 26 06:02:18 <Austrie> the view has a custom background
Jun 26 06:03:31 <JakeWharton> probably the former
Jun 26 06:03:38 <Knossos> You can probably find out in the layout designer can't you? But I assume that the layout will fill the space between the two.
Jun 26 06:03:45 <JakeWharton> i don't really use RelativeLayout
Jun 26 06:03:50 <JakeWharton> GridLayout FTW
Jun 26 06:04:05 <Knossos> I use RelativeLayout when I need to make floaters
Jun 26 06:04:47 <Austrie> relative layout showuld have padding for buttom
Jun 26 06:06:00 <g00s> eliransapir: along those lines, you may find this useful http://phandroid.com/2012/06/21/getting-acquired-how-to-transfer-ownership-of-your-android-app-or-game/
Jun 26 06:09:19 <parco> does android offer a built-in multiline text editor?
Jun 26 06:10:15 <eliransapir> g00s thanks great link!
Jun 26 06:15:28 <jrockjiggz> so.. i'm following a tutorial.. i launch my app onto my device.. 'application has stopped working'.  eclipse will switch to debug perspective, but then the ActivityThread.performLaunchActivity says Source not found.    how do i debug if source  is not found?
Jun 26 06:17:44 <tneva82_> hmm. I have program running. I press home button. I press icon. The program seems to start from oncreate function from scratch and doesn't seem to use onSaveInstanceState function to restore the state. Have I misunderstood something on how android programs work?
Jun 26 06:18:45 <jrockjiggz> I figured it out, I had an extra el in my main.xml.. but like, thats just luck i tried that..
Jun 26 06:18:57 <Snuffel> onSaveInstanceState is not called at the start
Jun 26 06:19:05 <Snuffel> it is called when the app stopt
Jun 26 06:19:05 <Snuffel> s
Jun 26 06:19:17 <tneva82_> yes but oncreate has it as parameter
Jun 26 06:19:21 <Snuffel> yeah
Jun 26 06:19:36 <tneva82_> so how can I get it NOT to start from scratch everytime I press home button and then go back to the program?
Jun 26 06:19:51 <tneva82_> seems the home button doesn't activate onsaveinstancestate then
Jun 26 06:20:11 <Snuffel> what did you put in there
Jun 26 06:21:20 <Snuffel> did you save anything?
Jun 26 06:22:01 <tneva82_> well what happens is that spinners selection resets and so does mode. If it was waiting for next time to get gps location it instead starts acquiring it rightaway(which is what it's supposed to do when it first time starts up)
Jun 26 06:22:09 <tneva82_> on saveinstancestate? Pretty much everything.
Jun 26 06:22:38 <tneva82_> certainly all the variables controlling whether it's on "acquire gps location" and "wait for next gps acquire moment"
Jun 26 06:23:06 <tneva82_> also another thing. On some phone's program never acquires gps locations when screenlock is on but on others it does. What's up with that?
Jun 26 06:23:19 <thepoosh> hi guys
Jun 26 06:23:41 <tneva82_> (and please don't tell me it can't be made to acquire all the time. That would be major killer for the program as it would then not work as intended at all!)
Jun 26 06:24:13 <Tagami> if i understand correctly, i imagine you can but it would suck the battery real fast
Jun 26 06:24:15 <thepoosh> quick question: any thoughts on creating a chat view? (similar to the sms view for android)
Jun 26 06:24:18 <Snuffel> you must be frustrated
Jun 26 06:26:13 <tneva82_> tagami: Well that's problem for the user yes? Though how tough on battery it can be if it sniffs out gps location and sends it to server every 30 minutes for example?
Jun 26 06:26:59 <tneva82_> (as it is the guy who had it sending gps locations even with screenlock on every 5 minutes reported 6 hour uptime even with phone calls etc in the middle)
Jun 26 06:28:39 <Tagami> well, i suppose you are correct
Jun 26 06:28:42 <Tagami> i don't know how to do it though :)
Jun 26 06:31:37 <parco> is there a quick / efficient way to pull a rows information from a ListActivity
Jun 26 06:31:49 <parco> i have a feeling im making too many new cursors
Jun 26 06:31:54 <tneva82_> well damned if I know but I know that program that's supposed to turn your phone into gps tracking unit would be kinda impractical if you would need to remember to keep the screen lock off. Also THAT kills battery when screen would be on all the time
Jun 26 06:32:10 <tneva82_> but key issue now is the constant restarting of activity.
Jun 26 06:32:25 <parco> .. from having the row id
Jun 26 06:33:14 <parco> getListView().getItemAtPosition() returns a cursor, which i then have to Cursor.getString()... any better ideas?
Jun 26 06:34:09 <eSatsu> hm, is there an api to get the n closest restaurants based on gps coordinates?
Jun 26 06:38:07 <tneva82_> argh. sharedpreferences doesn't have the putparcealable like bundle has. How to store the location then :-/
Jun 26 06:43:01 <JakeWharton> two floats
Jun 26 06:43:03 <JakeWharton> string
Jun 26 06:43:18 <JakeWharton> write it to file
Jun 26 06:43:22 <JakeWharton> database
Jun 26 06:50:06 <tneva82_> lots of data in that location class. But guess no choise then. shikata ga nai as japanese would say
Jun 26 06:52:00 <ravirdv> Hi, is there any way to know that device is locked or not from c++ ?
Jun 26 06:52:27 <ravirdv> may be by reading some file which maintains state
Jun 26 06:54:53 <XXCoder> HMM I wonder if its possible to have abstract class that has static function that must be overrided?
Jun 26 06:55:03 <MontyCarleau> Anyone found a good way of competing with the lag of Rotation Vector sensor?  (not the update, but the lag due to smoothing.)
Jun 26 06:55:11 <MontyCarleau> XXCoder: I don't think you can specify static functions that way.
Jun 26 06:55:47 <XXCoder> no, didn't think so. well maybe you can think of better way
Jun 26 06:55:49 <MontyCarleau> XXCoder: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/370962/why-cant-static-methods-be-abstract-in-java
Jun 26 06:56:21 <parco> If im doing Cursor c = DbHelper.fetchList(), when the cursor requeries, does it run that fetchList() again?
Jun 26 06:56:22 <XXCoder> wow perfect answer. thanks!
Jun 26 06:56:43 <XXCoder> I guess I can remove abstract and just make parent class return orginal value.
Jun 26 06:56:53 <XXCoder> and others can override it
Jun 26 06:57:00 <MontyCarleau> XXCoder: What need are you trying to meet?
Jun 26 06:57:32 <XXCoder> well I have 3 versions of function that I don't want to have if.. then... everywhere
Jun 26 06:57:58 <MontyCarleau> What differs about these versions?
Jun 26 06:58:12 <XXCoder> well basically, different math ranges
Jun 26 06:58:23 <XXCoder> normal, invert and well bugged one that has fun results.
Jun 26 06:59:20 <MontyCarleau> so why wouldn't you have MyFunction(type, params…) { if (type == 1) { MyFunctionNormal(params) } ...
Jun 26 07:01:00 <XXCoder> thats what i want to avoid. if.. then everywhere. I just want to use one type and thats it.
Jun 26 07:02:18 <thepoosh> hi, can you guys take a look at this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11202206/create-a-chatview-layout-in-android
Jun 26 07:02:45 <MontyCarleau> XXCoder: I'd have to understand your use case better.
Jun 26 07:03:27 <XXCoder> no problem :)
Jun 26 07:03:57 <tneva82_> groovy. sharedpreference doesn't have putdouble either. Sure hope simply casting double to float isn't going to cause any notable issues
Jun 26 07:04:07 <XXCoder> whoa finally got invertrange to work. groovy. lol
Jun 26 07:06:04 <g00s> tneva82_: put the double as a string :P
Jun 26 07:06:56 <g00s> then use Double.parseDouble(String) to get it back
Jun 26 07:10:30 <XXCoder> what version of eclipse do you guys use?
Jun 26 07:10:45 <g00s> 3.7.2
Jun 26 07:10:59 <JakeWharton> IntelliJ IDEA
Jun 26 07:11:02 <JakeWharton> best version of Eclipse ever
Jun 26 07:11:17 * Zharf agrees
Jun 26 07:14:22 <XXCoder> 3.1.1 here. probably ancient lol
Jun 26 07:14:31 <g00s> holy shit dude
Jun 26 07:15:08 <Ivru> are you using debian ?
Jun 26 07:15:28 <g00s> that was sep 2005
Jun 26 07:15:55 <Ivru> yeah he must be running a debian
Jun 26 07:17:21 <lyakh> hi, while contributing to AOSP one sometimes needs to contact the respective Project Lead. My question is - HOW? Where do I find the contact information?
Jun 26 07:18:34 <JakeWharton> android-contributor mailing list
Jun 26 07:19:32 <XXCoder> JakeWharton: it seems decent but bit more money than I can afford :)
Jun 26 07:19:42 <JakeWharton> try the community edition
Jun 26 07:20:10 <lyakh> JakeWharton: yes, and then? do I ask there to contact the Lead or just post my question there?
Jun 26 07:20:20 <JakeWharton> i would just ask your question
Jun 26 07:20:38 <lyakh> e.g., when a developer has to be added to the contributor agreement
Jun 26 07:20:57 <lyakh> that doesn't belong to public lists normally
Jun 26 07:21:14 <XXCoder> Ivru: was you talking to me? if so, no. im using windows 7. just havent updated eclipse for a bit.
Jun 26 07:23:32 <JakeWharton> eh?
Jun 26 07:23:36 <JakeWharton> i don't know
Jun 26 07:23:47 <JakeWharton> you could ask to ask :)
Jun 26 07:23:53 <lyakh> JakeWharton: ok, np, thanks
Jun 26 07:24:01 <lyakh> yes, will have to do that
Jun 26 07:31:16 <[[thufir]]> how do I install "android" on ubuntu to develop apps?
Jun 26 07:31:28 <[[thufir]]> download dalvik?
Jun 26 07:31:41 <JakeWharton> http://s.android.com has all you need
Jun 26 07:31:52 <JakeWharton> oh, http://d.android.com has all you need, rather
Jun 26 07:32:28 <[[thufir]]> thx
Jun 26 07:35:23 <tneva82_> mayday mayday. I was on week holiday, boss decided to design my initially modest program idea into lot more ambitious one...Thankfully not for today but later when we have more time and resources.
Jun 26 08:04:06 <jagruti_> Hello
Jun 26 08:07:25 <XXCoder> whoa
Jun 26 08:07:30 <XXCoder> thats hell of a split
Jun 26 08:07:58 <Utopiah> that's what he said
Jun 26 08:09:04 <jagruti_> i have one problem like in table layout i have 3 columns and 4 rows and i had take the buttons and set the background images so can i set border in row and columns in that table layout?
Jun 26 08:15:01 <g00s> haha, all hell is going to break loose http://i.imgur.com/TnEUe.jpg
Jun 26 08:19:59 <mastro> was anyone able to start Google TV emulator? I followed all the guide, On Linux with kvm, permissions etc... but when I start it I get "Low on Space" error and can't do anything
Jun 26 08:26:56 <r0ly> mastro: yes, the emulator works fine for me
Jun 26 08:26:58 <torpor> hi.  does anyone know how to use the Android JNI environment to get the classpath for the current Activity, programmatically?  I don't want to hard-code paths in my findClass() calls within the JNI - is there some way to determine the calling-objects classpath for use?
Jun 26 08:27:54 <giantpune> hi, im looking at some existing code using jni and i see they are calling GetStaticMethodID( ..., "openURL", ... ).  is there a list somewhere of the stuff i can use instead of the openURL?
Jun 26 08:31:33 <embed> Hi, why can't I do "wait" from onClickListener?
Jun 26 08:34:53 <torpor> embed: because its running in the GUI thread context, and you can't block the GUI thread?  (not sure, just a guess)
Jun 26 08:37:13 <embed> make since...so if I want that the GUI will wait for an input from a dailog box, how can I do this?
Jun 26 08:37:38 <embed> make sense...
Jun 26 08:37:41 <mastro> r0ly, did you do something to make it work?
Jun 26 08:41:16 <r0ly> mastro: I just made a modprobe kvm-intel
Jun 26 08:43:03 <r0ly> mastro: maybe it can help you : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4709137/solution-android-install-failed-insufficient-storage-error/5616720#5616720
Jun 26 08:45:14 <tapas> is there a way to debug why overridePendingTransition does absolutely nothing?
Jun 26 08:45:26 <tapas> no errors in the log... hmm
Jun 26 08:47:12 <xroberx> hi
Jun 26 08:47:35 <tapas> aah, they were disabled in the device :D
Jun 26 08:49:06 <xroberx> when you have an application with multiple activities, and each of them allocates memory for bitmaps... will Android automatically free the memory of the activities that are NOT in the foreground if the whole app is going to exceed the heap size ?
Jun 26 08:50:06 <tapas> xroberx: android *might* do that..
Jun 26 08:50:32 <xroberx> tapas: or the app might crash ... ?
Jun 26 08:50:46 <tapas> xroberx: yes, if you allocate too much memory, the app might crash..
Jun 26 08:50:57 <jagruti_> hello
Jun 26 08:51:03 <jagruti_> anybody there
Jun 26 08:51:55 <Leeds> nope, nobody
Jun 26 08:52:26 <jagruti_> Leeds::) why
Jun 26 08:52:54 <lut4rp> Just published my first app on the Play store :D
Jun 26 08:53:02 <Ivru> lut4rp: url
Jun 26 08:53:13 <lut4rp> It's a local travel app, but for those who want to have a look -- http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.xvii.mindthegap
Jun 26 08:53:38 <lut4rp> Ivru, ^
Jun 26 08:54:01 <Ivru> yep.
Jun 26 08:55:06 <jagruti_> anybody know about touch tone
Jun 26 08:55:10 <Dark-Side> Is there an Indian version of Mornington Cresent lut4rp?
Jun 26 08:55:12 <Leeds> lut4rp: do they actually say "mind the gap" in Delhi?
Jun 26 08:55:26 <lut4rp> Leeds, yes, they do :)
Jun 26 08:55:56 <Leeds> good :)  they sort of say it here: "please mind the gap between the train and the platform"
Jun 26 08:56:19 <Dark-Side> looks good lut4rp
Jun 26 08:56:35 <lut4rp> Depending on which line you're on, they say either "Mind the gap!" or "Please mind the gap!". No one knows why certain lines are... politer :P
Jun 26 08:56:40 <lut4rp> Dark-Side, thanks!
Jun 26 08:56:42 <Ivru> mind the cow also
Jun 26 08:56:46 <lut4rp> heh
Jun 26 08:56:58 <lut4rp> Dark-Side, what's the Mornington Cresent?
Jun 26 08:57:02 <Dark-Side> Cows on the underground?! Madness!
Jun 26 08:57:08 <Dark-Side> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_(game)
Jun 26 08:58:06 <lut4rp> Dark-Side, Holy! That's very interesting.
Jun 26 08:58:09 <eSatsu> i have a gridview inside a linearlayout but having trouble centering the gridview
Jun 26 08:58:14 <lut4rp> Dark-Side, thanks for this :D
Jun 26 08:58:27 <eSatsu> its anchored to the top of the screen for some reason
Jun 26 08:58:30 <Dark-Side> It's quite amusing
Jun 26 08:58:31 <torpor> in australia we say things like "mind your head"
Jun 26 08:58:35 <torpor> i love that phrase.
Jun 26 08:58:48 <torpor> "but my head IS my mind! why do i need to mind it again?!!"
Jun 26 08:59:00 <lut4rp> Hehe, our coach roofs are pretty high, so that isn't a problem.
Jun 26 09:00:57 <eSatsu> oh hey it actually works now
Jun 26 09:01:00 <eSatsu> hooray
Jun 26 09:01:20 <ryokale> there was a sign at the amsterdam airport that said "mind your head" and there was nothing else to watch out for other than the sign itself :]
Jun 26 09:01:44 <torpor> "WATCH OUT!  LOW-HANGING SIGN!"
Jun 26 09:01:52 <ryokale> exactly :D
Jun 26 09:04:55 <tapas> ok, that works great.. i just wonder how to do it on the very first screen of the app
Jun 26 09:05:06 <torpor> does nobody know how to get the current classpath from the JNI?
Jun 26 09:05:07 <tapas> maybe one activity without a content view that immedialtely starts the other..
Jun 26 09:05:15 <tapas> and then one can use overridePendingTransition
Jun 26 09:12:01 <Zharf> so they ruined d.android.com for android phones
Jun 26 09:12:04 <XXCoder> Eclipse IDE for Java Developers best for android dev?
Jun 26 09:12:43 <Leeds> Zharf: it was never particularly good on phones...
Jun 26 09:12:53 <MontyCarleau> torpor: Is your trouble that java.class.path isn't defined on Android?
Jun 26 09:12:59 <Zharf> Leeds, much easier to use before still though
Jun 26 09:13:07 <Zharf> Leeds, CSS scrollbars suck
Jun 26 09:13:09 <Leeds> yeah... it's strange that nobody seems to care
Jun 26 09:13:57 <embed> Hi, Is there a way that the GUI Thread will wait for an input from a dailog box?
Jun 26 09:14:36 <torpor> MontyCarleau: no, i have a JNI library.  Rather than hard-coding a classpath in my findClass() calls, I want to get it dynamically, somehow.  this is so that i do not have to have a hard-coded classpath in my JNI library ..
Jun 26 09:15:41 <g00s> Zharf: i still have d.android.com rendering issues in chrome; weird shit like the bg color is not applied to the whole page … some is white, some is off white, etc
Jun 26 09:15:50 <g00s> and fucking chrome for god sake
Jun 26 09:16:01 <Zharf> g00s, hahah
Jun 26 09:16:28 <Zharf> I always hated how I couldn't navigate the references with my vimperator properly
Jun 26 09:16:56 <Zharf> they seem to have fixed that at least
Jun 26 09:17:07 <fred_> hello
Jun 26 09:17:21 <MontyCarleau> torpor: Typically it's just System.getProperty("java.class.path");
Jun 26 09:18:21 <MontyCarleau> torpor: That's supported on android, according to http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/System.html
Jun 26 09:19:01 <XXCoder> just curious why youre trying to find classpath
Jun 26 09:19:33 <torpor> MontyCarleau: i need to find it from the JNI.
Jun 26 09:20:16 <torpor> i don't want to hard-code the path because the library will be used in applications where the classpath is not determined by me - but by others.  so i'd rather like to have it use reflection to find the proper value.
Jun 26 09:20:34 <XXCoder> ahh thanks
Jun 26 09:20:59 <torpor> and i want to be able to just reflect the classpath name from the activity calling the library.
Jun 26 09:21:43 <MontyCarleau> torpor: What about the example here (search for getProperty): http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t140266-jni-setproperty.html
Jun 26 09:22:10 <sha0coder> hi ppl
Jun 26 09:22:41 <torpor> MontyCarleau: that looks interesting, certainly.
Jun 26 09:25:38 <mastro> r0ly, sure I did as well.. I also tried the suggestion about partition size without success
Jun 26 09:27:04 <jagruti_> how can we play the default touch tone in hardcoded dialpad?
Jun 26 09:28:05 <jagruti_> actually i have design the dialpad but when i press 1 or 2..etc then it should be play the tone which is need to same as our mobile's dialpad key press tone
Jun 26 09:28:44 <jagruti_> so how can i get that default beep tones
Jun 26 09:29:06 <jagruti_> anybody have idea about this/
Jun 26 09:29:09 <jagruti_> ??
Jun 26 09:29:18 <sha0coder> hello
Jun 26 09:29:48 <sha0coder> i've patched an apk, and uploaded to /data/app
Jun 26 09:30:02 <sha0coder> but the app has not changed
Jun 26 09:31:15 <MDijkstra> #android-root
Jun 26 09:33:04 <sha0coder> tyhnx
Jun 26 09:35:17 <jagruti_> hello
Jun 26 09:45:41 <UnbertKant> So we meet again!
Jun 26 09:46:29 <UnbertKant> Not sure if this qualifies as an Android problem, but I need inspiration from a great programmer for this problem I have.
Jun 26 09:46:49 <luyang> shoot
Jun 26 09:46:57 <UnbertKant> See, my app uses a web service. When the user changes his password on the web site, web service calls in the app will obviously fail.
Jun 26 09:47:03 <UnbertKant> This can happen at any place in the app.
Jun 26 09:47:12 <UnbertKant> So I'm looking for a clean way to handle this.
Jun 26 09:47:30 <UnbertKant> But all the ideas that pop up in my head are ugly and require code duplication.
Jun 26 09:47:49 <luyang> perhaps you should use some sort of token instead of the user's real user/password combination?
Jun 26 09:48:10 <UnbertKant> What I want to achieve is that no matter where you are in the app, when your session token times out and the app can't reistablish the connection, the user should see a "please enter your new password" dialog or something like that.
Jun 26 09:48:12 <luyang> passing the user's password is probably not a good idea, remembering a talk I saw on Oauth
Jun 26 09:48:53 <UnbertKant> What do you mean, passing the user's password?
Jun 26 09:50:04 <luyang> I meant that if you use a webservice where the user provides a google/yahoo/facebook user/password combo, that's not a good idea and should be handled differently by getting an auth token from the service… but I don't know if that's your scenario
Jun 26 09:51:17 <UnbertKant> It uses a custom user/password, only for my service (using google/yahoo/whatever is not possible). We use a session token, but this can time out. I'm new to user authentification stuff, so I don't actually know what an auth token is (googling that right now).
Jun 26 09:51:31 <luyang> otherwise if it is your service, I could think of scenarios where the app gets a cloud-to-device message with a link to a page which refreshes the logged-in-cookie
Jun 26 09:51:57 <luyang> so the app automatically goes to that page and the user is in logged in state again
Jun 26 09:52:16 <luyang> unless you really want to prove that this is the same user that changed the password, in which case you wanna prompt
Jun 26 09:52:19 <UnbertKant> Well, no, since he changes his password on a computer, not in the phone's browser.
Jun 26 09:52:46 <luyang> yes but I have seen emails containing links which makes me logged in automatically without providing user/pass
Jun 26 09:52:53 <luyang> so that could work in a phone too...
Jun 26 09:53:01 <luyang> if you know what I mean
Jun 26 09:53:09 <luyang> not sure that's what you want though
Jun 26 09:53:11 <luyang> probably not ;)
Jun 26 09:54:19 <UnbertKant> Just spoke to some people, tokens are not an option, since the web service won't support it in the forseeable future.
Jun 26 09:54:26 <embed> Hi, Does any1 know if there's a way that the GUI Thread will wait for an input from a dailog box?
Jun 26 09:55:08 <luyang> embed: there's a question about that on StackOverflow and the people who replied (including Romain Guy if I remember correctly) were not happy about that idea since it is against the design of Android
Jun 26 09:55:21 <luyang> dialog boxes are asynchronous
Jun 26 09:55:36 <luyang> you don't wanna block the GUI thread
Jun 26 09:55:43 <UnbertKant> Hm, I'll talk to some people. Thanks for your inside, I'll be back in 1h
Jun 26 09:56:07 <luyang> embed: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2028697/dialogs-alertdialogs-how-to-block-execution-while-dialog-is-up-net-style
Jun 26 09:56:32 <luyang> UnbertKant: ok see you maybe
Jun 26 09:59:50 <embed> luyang: so if I need a word from the user (when he press on a button how can I get the word without dialog-box?
Jun 26 10:00:34 <MDijkstra> embed: popping up a dialog will prevent all interaction with anything else than the dialog box
Jun 26 10:00:53 <MDijkstra> embed: thus achieving your goal of making the activity 'wait' until the dialog box input is done
Jun 26 10:01:06 <MDijkstra> there's no need to make the GUI thread block
Jun 26 10:01:26 <MDijkstra> (and, as noted, something you should never ever do in android)
Jun 26 10:01:33 <embed> this is what I thought but it's not what that is happening...
Jun 26 10:01:40 <MDijkstra> (or in pretty much any other GUI platform)
Jun 26 10:02:15 <MDijkstra> well, can you interact outside the bounds of the dialog box?
Jun 26 10:03:09 <embed> can I send you my code in some way that I could explain whats my problem ...
Jun 26 10:03:46 <MDijkstra> sorry, no time for that
Jun 26 10:04:52 <embed> o.k.. my problem is that it doesn't wait till the dialog is ended...
Jun 26 10:06:32 <luyang> what does that mean
Jun 26 10:06:50 <luyang> does it do something else in the mean time?
Jun 26 10:07:37 <tneva82_> yeah. Dialog sure prevents anything else happening for me.
Jun 26 10:08:27 <MDijkstra> well, what I guess you're trying to do is:
Jun 26 10:08:28 <embed> I were with debuger and it continued the program it didn't stop
Jun 26 10:08:44 <MDijkstra> in a method:
Jun 26 10:08:48 <MDijkstra> <present dialog>
Jun 26 10:08:53 <MDijkstra> <wait for dialog to complete>
Jun 26 10:09:01 <MDijkstra> <continue with results from dialog>
Jun 26 10:09:13 <embed> is this is what I'm trying to do
Jun 26 10:09:26 <MDijkstra> embed: presenting the dialog won't block
Jun 26 10:09:34 <MDijkstra> until it's done
Jun 26 10:09:41 <embed> what will block?
Jun 26 10:10:20 <MDijkstra> no, it won't block
Jun 26 10:10:25 <MDijkstra> but you're expecting it to
Jun 26 10:10:58 <MDijkstra> you're expecting the call where you show dialog to return when you dismiss the dialog
Jun 26 10:11:08 <MDijkstra> but that's not how it works
Jun 26 10:11:15 <embed> how it works?
Jun 26 10:12:00 <MDijkstra> the dialog will show, it will call a callback on your activity when something happens
Jun 26 10:12:14 <MDijkstra> (ie, the user selected something, canceled the dialog)
Jun 26 10:13:52 <MDijkstra> embed: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/DialogFragment.html for example, see the examples here
Jun 26 10:14:09 <MDijkstra> where an activity starts a dialog and then receives the callback when a user clicks the positive or negative button
Jun 26 10:15:07 <MDijkstra> (Under alert dialog)
Jun 26 10:19:59 <stork> i'm trying to write a simple http proxy for caching data in an http request but I can't for the life of me figure out how to read binary data - I'm using a BufferedReader to read in the http headers, then when i read '\r\n\r\n' i then switch to an inputstream to read the raw data, but it seems like the BufferedReader is caching a bunch of that data internally, so I never get the whole response.. am I going about this the wrong way?
Jun 26 10:34:05 <nebkat> is it possible to display a status bar notification without the animation that takes up whole status bar and hides status icons?
Jun 26 10:35:07 <nebkat> oh got it :)
Jun 26 10:42:13 <jagruti_> hello
Jun 26 10:42:52 <tneva82_> hmmm what sort of size should the icon for program to be? And I assume width and height must fit?
Jun 26 10:42:56 <tneva82_> be same
Jun 26 10:53:25 <sha0coder> is there any dex2smali tool?
Jun 26 10:53:37 <sha0coder> there are apk2smali, but dex?
Jun 26 10:56:35 <p_l> baksmali
Jun 26 10:57:18 <p_l> apk2smali is probably just a script that unpacks classes.dex and runs baksmali on it
Jun 26 11:00:44 <thepoosh> anyone have a good tutorial on all the basics of c2dm?
Jun 26 11:01:56 <luyang> I think vogella has one
Jun 26 11:02:06 <luyang> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidCloudToDeviceMessaging/article.html
Jun 26 11:04:40 <thepoosh> luyang: thanks
Jun 26 11:05:07 <luyang> you're welcome
Jun 26 11:20:24 <sha0coder> p_l, i get it from /data/dalvik-cache/
Jun 26 11:20:35 <sha0coder> and baksmali fails :/
Jun 26 11:22:52 <embed> MDijkstra: thanks!
Jun 26 11:24:24 <sha0coder> org.jf.dexlib.Util.ExceptionWithContext: regCount does not match the number of arguments of the method
Jun 26 11:28:08 <thepoosh> luyang: again on c2dm, is there a way to get the users information from the google play app instead of making them authenticate again? I mean, is there a SSO for google?
Jun 26 11:30:10 <p_l> sha0coder: dalvik-cache is not recommended source
Jun 26 11:30:39 <p_l> sha0coder: baksmali might not have all the current private instructions used by your firmware
Jun 26 11:31:14 <p_l> you need to take classes.dex from the apk file
Jun 26 11:31:24 <thepoosh> does the C2DM require the app user to authenticate via google just the app server?
Jun 26 11:31:33 <p_l> sha0coder: if there's none, look for "deodexing"
Jun 26 11:32:05 <sha0coder> ok thnx p_l
Jun 26 11:38:32 <p_l> sha0coder: also, any apk that isn't included in firmware and contains code will contain classes.dex (or, in rare cases, just the native activity stuff)
Jun 26 11:39:31 <luyang> thepoosh: I think you can use the Account Manager if you're on like Android >= 2.1 or so… or Oauth
Jun 26 11:39:33 <luyang> 2
Jun 26 11:39:35 <luyang> Oauth2
Jun 26 11:42:31 <drastico> hi all
Jun 26 11:42:38 <luyang> this is pretty cool http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2012/05/25/mobile-payments-heat-up-in-sweden/?KEYWORDS=wywallet
Jun 26 11:42:41 <luyang> hi drastico
Jun 26 11:42:54 <drastico> i'm having some trouble using ad edittext inside a dialog box
Jun 26 11:43:00 <drastico> http://dpaste.com/763674/ this is my code
Jun 26 11:43:14 <drastico> when i'm trying to getText(), my app crashes
Jun 26 11:43:58 <drastico> it's an easy dialog with an editText and a button
Jun 26 11:44:25 <drastico> everything works good commenti out the getText linke
Jun 26 11:44:28 <drastico> line*
Jun 26 11:44:44 <luyang> I'm not sure but have you tried to put dialog.dismiss() inside runOnUithread thingy?
Jun 26 11:44:48 <thepoosh> luyang: I saw on the Oauth2 that I need to give the username and password for using this
Jun 26 11:46:15 <drastico> luyang: the dialog.dismiss() is inside the button click event
Jun 26 11:46:37 <drastico> before i want to post the email string
Jun 26 11:50:00 <jagruti_> how can we detect app launch?
Jun 26 11:50:09 <jagruti_>  I mean as soon as that particular app is launched, some information must be stored in db
Jun 26 11:53:44 <drastico> luyang: fixed! ^_^ i was asking for .findViewById(R.id.mail_input) but i0'm in a Dialog, so I need dialog.findViewById(R.id.mail_input)
Jun 26 12:00:22 <jagruti_> anybody there ?
Jun 26 12:01:11 <Snuffel> sometimes
Jun 26 12:01:34 <jagruti_> Snuffel:would like to solve quey/
Jun 26 12:01:35 <thepoosh> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11206889/how-to-register-an-app-to-c2dm
Jun 26 12:01:43 <thepoosh> can you look at this please?
Jun 26 12:02:02 <Snuffel> i can look at it
Jun 26 12:02:07 <Snuffel> but I don't have an answer
Jun 26 12:02:26 <jagruti_> ok then i ask u other query ok
Jun 26 12:03:08 <wongk> thepoosh: i believe it wants your ID for c2dm... but i that's just from what i've read, i've never used it
Jun 26 12:03:40 <jagruti_> i have developed one dialpad and i want to touchtone same as mobile's dialpad touchtone ..so it is possible?
Jun 26 12:03:44 <thepoosh> that's what I read, and it seems very hostile
Jun 26 12:04:32 <wongk> thepoosh: how else should it know that the requests from your app are from your app?
Jun 26 12:04:53 <thepoosh> use the SSO from the Google Playt
Jun 26 12:04:56 <thepoosh> *play
Jun 26 12:05:15 <jagruti_> thepoosh:it is for me?
Jun 26 12:05:24 <wongk> thepoosh: how would that identify your app?
Jun 26 12:05:31 <thepoosh> jagruti_: yes, sorry
Jun 26 12:05:44 <thepoosh> wongk: i don't know. this is my question
Jun 26 12:05:49 <jagruti_> yes?
Jun 26 12:06:04 <thepoosh> i didn't quite understand the process of a single app registering
Jun 26 12:06:05 <wongk> thepoosh: it wouldn't
Jun 26 12:06:24 <wongk> thepoosh: what is the problem anyway?
Jun 26 12:06:38 <thepoosh> wongk: it needs to be a google account for the app? or an account for the user?
Jun 26 12:06:50 <wongk> your account for c2dm
Jun 26 12:06:52 <krad> hi.  If I do a Java project that uses org.apache.httpcomponents.httpclient, can I still use it in android?
Jun 26 12:07:04 <thepoosh> wongk: i can't understand the process of registering for c2dm
Jun 26 12:07:09 <wongk> krad: yes
Jun 26 12:07:16 <wongk> thepoosh: can't help you there
Jun 26 12:07:25 <thepoosh> :S
Jun 26 12:07:29 <krad> wongk, but android.jar already have httpclient
Jun 26 12:07:34 <wongk> if you can't figure out how to register, though, how do you expect to integrate with it :P
Jun 26 12:07:39 <wongk> krad: correct
Jun 26 12:07:46 <krad> ok
Jun 26 12:07:59 <thepoosh> wongk: thanks a bunch for the help
Jun 26 12:20:22 <Ankhwatcher> Does anyone know if you have to rebuy clockworkMod touch for every device?
Jun 26 12:21:00 <Leeds> Ankhwatcher: #android-root
Jun 26 12:22:41 <alowaniak> hey
Jun 26 12:22:56 <hackkitten> hi
Jun 26 12:23:05 <alowaniak> i've got an Activity which has a Dialog Theme and I don't want it to close when you click outside of the dialog
Jun 26 12:24:04 <alowaniak> so I made a theme with dialog theme as parent
Jun 26 12:24:05 <alowaniak> and added
Jun 26 12:24:07 <alowaniak> <item name="android:windowCloseOnTouchOutside">false</item>
Jun 26 12:24:15 <alowaniak> but it's not working
Jun 26 12:24:35 <alowaniak> (also eclipse's intellisense thingy doesn't find "windowCloseOnTouchOutside")
Jun 26 12:25:03 <hackkitten> can't say I have heard of it
Jun 26 12:27:34 <alowaniak> ok now that's odd
Jun 26 12:27:36 <alowaniak> it's working now
Jun 26 12:46:40 <diverdude> How much programming does a game like templerun require?
Jun 26 12:46:50 <sha0coder> i know my device id, how to select it with adb?
Jun 26 12:47:53 <Leeds> sha0coder: adb -s <serial number>
Jun 26 12:48:32 <diverdude> these quite nicely made 3D games
Jun 26 12:48:45 <sha0coder> thnx Leeds
Jun 26 12:48:52 <diverdude> how much is programming and how much is animation in maya or 3d studio max
Jun 26 12:49:09 <Leeds> it's right there in "adb help"
Jun 26 12:49:15 <sha0coder> oks
Jun 26 12:49:15 <sha0coder> thnx
Jun 26 13:00:14 <bara> is it possilbe to select audio track of VideoView? (mpeg stream)
Jun 26 13:08:19 <kselos> hi
Jun 26 13:08:51 <kselos> how to get info if the activity is bind to service ?
Jun 26 13:09:02 <kselos> in activity
Jun 26 13:09:46 <lov> your question doesn't make sense. try again.
Jun 26 13:14:41 <kselos> I get activity where I run this: if (getApplicationContext().bindService(new Intent(SERVICE_NAME), mConnection, Context.BIND_AUTO_CREATE));    and in this if block I run metod in this service over AIDL witch returns string, and I get java.lang.NullPointerException
Jun 26 13:15:04 <kselos> when I run it second time it works fine
Jun 26 13:15:29 <wongk> binding to a service is asynchronous
Jun 26 13:15:31 <deweylewie> Are there any Galaxy S3 owners who can help me test my Live Wallpaper? Thanks :)
Jun 26 13:15:40 <lov> what wongk said.
Jun 26 13:15:45 <lov> You need to perform your method in the callback
Jun 26 13:17:12 <lov> Consider also using an IntentService or a Messenger.
Jun 26 13:17:18 <kselos> List<String> zlo = null;
Jun 26 13:17:18 <kselos> zlo = Iservice.getZmienna("foo");
Jun 26 13:17:26 <lov> yeah I don't care
Jun 26 13:17:28 <kselos> I do this
Jun 26 13:17:34 <lov> you need to read what we said
Jun 26 13:17:43 <lov> your service bind is ASYNCHRONOUS
Jun 26 13:17:48 <lov> that means that the bind method returns immediately
Jun 26 13:17:52 <lov> but the service is NOT YET BOUND.
Jun 26 13:17:57 <lov> you have a callback.
Jun 26 13:18:13 <lov> If you don't need to handle multiple processes connecting to your service, strongly consider using a Messenger instead.
Jun 26 13:20:50 <kselos> I have around 5 other app which connecting to this service
Jun 26 13:21:04 <wongk> best software license evar: https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs
Jun 26 13:21:12 <mdim> how to compile .aidl file with aidl tool to Java code if it has dependencies upon a few other classes? I keep on getting "couldn't find import for class ..." errors
Jun 26 13:21:35 <Dark-Side> Anybody know a way to connect an ICS device as a mass storage device any instead of a media device?
Jun 26 13:22:05 <kselos> so how I can get info about is service already bound to service
Jun 26 13:22:07 <lov> mdim: read the aidl docs very carefully.
Jun 26 13:22:16 <lov> kselos: ok, so.
Jun 26 13:22:21 <lov> kselos: do you understand what the callback is?
Jun 26 13:22:27 <wongk> someone is failing at listnening
Jun 26 13:22:28 <lov> do you understand what callbacks are in general?
Jun 26 13:22:35 <lov> are you AT ALL listening to us?
Jun 26 13:23:01 <lov> you CANNOT make calls to your service until you get your onServiceConnected callback
Jun 26 13:23:05 <mdim> lov: it has an -I parameter, and when I add "-I.", I still have this error message
Jun 26 13:23:08 <lov> do you understand this? Yes or no.
Jun 26 13:23:15 <kselos> come methods which are run if some action is on/start
Jun 26 13:23:40 <kselos> *some
Jun 26 13:23:47 <lov> mdim: you've got to import every class in your aidl definition
Jun 26 13:23:51 <lov> at least every class that you use
Jun 26 13:23:59 <lov> any custom parcelable class you'll be referencing needs its own aidl file iirc
Jun 26 13:24:05 <lov> even if it's just to declare that it's valid
Jun 26 13:24:31 <mdim> lov: no parcelable classes at the moment.
Jun 26 13:25:29 <lov> mdim: would you mind pastebinning your code?
Jun 26 13:26:08 <mdim> lov: wait a sec
Jun 26 13:26:50 <mdim> lov: it's this interface: https://gitorious.org/jpf-android-services/jpf-android-services/blobs/master/src/purified-android-apps/wifimanager/android/net/wifi/IWifiManager.aidl
Jun 26 13:28:11 <lov> mdim: what classes does it complain about?
Jun 26 13:28:35 <mdim> lov: all imported
Jun 26 13:28:46 <mdim> lov: lines 19-25
Jun 26 13:33:21 <mdim> lov: ? anyone else?
Jun 26 13:38:23 <lov> mdim: My assumption is that this is the AOSP code, right? it's probably unable to find these classes because the AIDL content is in AOSP, not this particular class.
Jun 26 13:38:29 <diverdude> is 3d studio max used for 3d game development on android?
Jun 26 13:38:46 <lov> mdim: you'd probably need to make aidl declaration files for each of those imports
Jun 26 13:39:00 <lov> diverdude: probably by someone.
Jun 26 13:39:02 <mdim> lov: right, it's AOSP.
Jun 26 13:39:55 <mdim> but I have a directory structure like android/net/wifi and all the needed classes in there, yet it still complains abouth paths
Jun 26 13:40:09 <diverdude> lov: what is the normal thing to use?
Jun 26 13:40:15 <lov> diverdude: heck if I know.
Jun 26 13:40:27 <lov> mdim: are the aidl declarations for those imports present?
Jun 26 13:40:27 <deweylewie> diverdude max is used for making models and animations only, last I heard
Jun 26 13:40:59 <deweylewie> you probably want something like libGDX, AndEngine or Unity
Jun 26 13:41:15 <lov> deweylewie: I don't think he was asking about game engines
Jun 26 13:41:21 <lov> (I hope he wasn't...)
Jun 26 13:41:36 <mdim> lov: I have to have .aidl files for each of the imported classes in .aidl file?
Jun 26 13:41:48 <Pinas> hello all
Jun 26 13:42:15 <deweylewie> diverdude what did you need?
Jun 26 13:43:04 <diverdude> deweylewie: i have just been wondering how games like templerun are made
Jun 26 13:43:26 <deweylewie> The guy that ported it to Android used Unity
Jun 26 13:44:02 <Pinas> I'm looking for kind of a tutorial on how to implement polling from a website. I need to permanently check (every 5 minutes) if on a given website something has changed  and I'd like to do this as "good" as possible
Jun 26 13:44:34 <Pinas> any ideas or hints ?
Jun 26 13:44:38 <diverdude> deweylewie: oh nice
Jun 26 13:45:03 <diverdude> deweylewie: and do you know how much programming there actually is in such a project?
Jun 26 13:45:22 <deweylewie> wel unity does a lot for you
Jun 26 13:45:31 <deweylewie> but its still a big pborject i'd imagine
Jun 26 13:46:46 <diverdude> deweylewie: what about this blender, do you know that?
Jun 26 13:47:01 <wongk> Pinas: Servce, AlarmManager
Jun 26 13:47:12 <deweylewie> blender and max you use to make art assets like models
Jun 26 13:47:30 <deweylewie> the programming to make it a game you have to do yourself and use an engine like I listed above
Jun 26 13:47:38 <Pinas> wongk - i thought about using a Service, but I'll have a look at AlarmManager, thank you :)
Jun 26 13:47:53 <lov> mdim: read the aidl docs ._.
Jun 26 13:48:02 <deweylewie> if you've never programmed anything before you wont be able to remake a game like temple run
Jun 26 13:48:14 <lov> Pinas: enjoy nuking the user's battery.
Jun 26 13:48:45 <wongk> 5 minutes is pretty frequent
Jun 26 13:48:54 <wongk> it will definitely have a noticeable affect
Jun 26 13:49:13 <Pinas> hmm, how many minutes do you suggest ?
Jun 26 13:49:19 <wongk> let them pick
Jun 26 13:49:39 <bakis> hey guys i'm having trouble with picking still. i got the basic jist of it, but all of my picking vectors are drawn from the origin no matter where i move.
Jun 26 13:50:07 <sasson> Hey guys, I'm trying to share an image I create in my app,I'm having someproblems...getDrawingCache() returns null everytime altough I'm using buildDrawingCache() just before. and I'm sure the original image excists
Jun 26 13:50:38 <diverdude> deweylewie: a single guy ported templerun to android?
Jun 26 13:51:46 <mdim> lov: I would gladly, if I only knew about such documentation
Jun 26 13:51:52 <Pinas> hmm maybe I could do more frequent checks in the first 15 minutes and then recheck every hour (either it is quite fast or really slow)
Jun 26 13:51:53 <deweylewie> diverdude I think so, he was on twitter or g+ talking about it although he could be part of a team
Jun 26 13:53:12 <lov> mdim: http://developer.android.com/tools/aidl.html
Jun 26 13:54:21 <diverdude> deweylewie: he must be a pretty skilled guy
Jun 26 13:54:41 <lov> if you use Unity, you just export to Android instead of to iPhone
Jun 26 13:54:58 <lov> if you properly seperate your game engine from your interface layer, porting isn't that hard.
Jun 26 13:54:59 <deweylewie> but im not sure that the original iphone version was made in unity
Jun 26 13:55:24 <diverdude> lov: you still have to recode objective-c to java
Jun 26 13:55:34 <diverdude> lov: that takes some time
Jun 26 13:55:41 <diverdude> lov: also for game engine
Jun 26 13:55:52 <lov> nope
Jun 26 13:55:58 <lov> you're assuming that the whole thing was done in Obj-C
Jun 26 13:56:07 <mdim> lov: oh, I did read that, but the provided example is fairly simple, and doesn't tell me how to handle my problem
Jun 26 13:56:08 <lov> instead of the game engine being done in C and the interface being done in Obj-C
Jun 26 13:56:15 <lov> mdim: yeah, the docs for aidl suck
Jun 26 13:56:33 <lov> mdim: basically, for any parcelable class you provide, you've got to create a .aidl class that just declares that class
Jun 26 13:56:36 <mdim> lov: that's more about interface and language than the aidl tool itself
Jun 26 13:56:37 <diverdude> lov: hmm how do you run c on android phones?
Jun 26 13:57:06 <lov> diverdude: http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
Jun 26 13:57:12 <lov> you use JNI to link to an .so
Jun 26 13:57:19 <diverdude> aha i see
Jun 26 13:57:28 <deweylewie> https://twitter.com/#!/nsxdavid/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FjX2M0XGd
Jun 26 13:57:31 <deweylewie> theres the guy
Jun 26 13:57:38 <diverdude> so i can compile the .so on a normal gcc ?
Jun 26 13:57:50 <lov> diverdude: no, you need to use the ndk to cross-compile it for arm
Jun 26 13:58:00 <lov> download the ndk, read the docs
Jun 26 13:58:42 <diverdude> ah right
Jun 26 14:00:45 <mdim> lov: what I'm trying to accomplish is to actually get rid of the network transfers, and use interface methods locally, like in this simple example: https://gitorious.org/jpf-android-services/jpf-android-services/trees/master/src/purified-android-apps/counter
Jun 26 14:00:51 <sasson> does any1 here know what's the error "Can't parcel a recycled bitmap" means? there's nothing on google
Jun 26 14:01:23 <mdim> lov: therefore, I believe I should somehow get rid of Parcelable interface
Jun 26 14:01:24 <lov> sasson: it means that the bitmap was recycled, but you're trying to parcel it.
Jun 26 14:01:33 <lov> mdim: no, anything that's used via aidl needs to be parcelable.
Jun 26 14:01:57 <lov> mdim: bbl
Jun 26 14:02:08 <sasson> it's happaning when I try to share an intent
Jun 26 14:06:37 <Number5> Hello guys, when getting xy position of a touch event, the position is with respect to the screen. I need to recalculate it to a position in a View object. How can I get view position relative to the screen?
Jun 26 14:07:31 <Number5> This way I can calculate the offset postion and finally recalculate it the touch position within the View.
Jun 26 14:07:57 <boo1> I want to create application, that only draw green circle, how can I do it?
Jun 26 14:08:33 <wongk> boo1: d.android.com
Jun 26 14:08:39 <Number5> Create a custom View class where you override the onPaint method and perform your green circle drawing.
Jun 26 14:09:34 <deweylewie> Number5 its onDraw() ;D
Jun 26 14:10:12 <Number5> deweylewie, ooh yes you're right. onPain was in VC++ or VC#...
Jun 26 14:11:49 <w00diSH> Anyone with any experience from Android + NFC? Is it possible to touch the screen (the display) to read a NFC card instead of the back of the phone?
Jun 26 14:14:49 <hrnt> w00diSH: not possible with galaxy S3 at least
Jun 26 14:16:32 <mdim> lov: what I'm trying to do is to model Binder IPC so that Bound services can be formally verified. That means I have to move from IPC to in-process communication. That's why I'm stubbing some of the Android classes, and that's why I believe I don't need Parcelable interface
Jun 26 14:17:52 <jettero> anyone know ehre to find api docs or examples of thumb scrolling (http://www.androidpatterns.com/uap_pattern/scroll-thumb)?
Jun 26 14:18:13 <jettero> I can't seem to find anything on how to do it.  Probably because I don't knwo what to search for.  Is thumb scrolling even the right word?
Jun 26 14:18:30 <deweylewie> its a flag you can turn on in the view
Jun 26 14:18:44 <deweylewie> i cant remember the name but its erally easy to enable if you've got a listview
Jun 26 14:19:02 <deweylewie> it will only show up if you have a load of items (20+) in the list
Jun 26 14:19:51 <deweylewie> its in Contacts on the system so maybe its somewhere in the source if yo really cant find it anywhere else
Jun 26 14:21:03 <deweylewie> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#setFastScrollEnabled%28boolean%29
Jun 26 14:21:18 <deweylewie> your google-fu needs work ;P
Jun 26 14:25:18 <sasson> does some1 sees anything wrong here? -> share.putExtra(Intent.EXTRA_STREAM,Global.sharedImg) ?
Jun 26 14:40:52 <diverdude> Is there possibilities of configuring your android device with an xml file or similiar, like for iphone there is this tool available: http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#featuredarticles/iPhoneConfigurationProfileRef/Introduction/Introduction.html
Jun 26 14:41:31 <jettero> deweylewie: I don't think it's my google foo... my problem is that I was looking at scrollview and webview (where I want the thumb scroller).  I didn't understand that it was a listview thing
Jun 26 14:42:52 <EuroTrash> diverdude: there's http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/admin/device-admin.html but it seems to be a lot more limited.
Jun 26 14:43:12 <deweylewie> alrighty jettero im not sure if you can get it for the other views
Jun 26 14:43:40 <tnzr> say I have a timer that is measuring days, and 24hrs before the final day I want a notification to come in, would that be a good time to use a Service?
Jun 26 14:43:51 <deweylewie> i just googled "android scroll thumb" and a Stackoverflow hit came up first with the correct method name
Jun 26 14:44:01 <deweylewie> but yeah its for listview
Jun 26 14:44:05 <jettero> yeah
Jun 26 14:46:24 <wongk> tnzr: no reason for a service, just an alram manager and something to receive the intent
Jun 26 14:47:45 <diverdude> EuroTrash: hmm strange that it is so limited
Jun 26 14:50:10 <jettero> oh wells, thanks anyway deweylewie ... least I know I can't do it now
Jun 26 14:50:48 <tnzr> wongk: oh ok thanks
Jun 26 14:50:59 <deweylewie> no problem
Jun 26 14:52:49 <fred_> hello
Jun 26 14:54:49 <The_Fred> So,my app is nearly ready for publishing after being tested and debugged, but i have some questions about versioning: the minSDK is 7, but i would also like the app to run on newer phones with their themes (i.e. Holo), do i need to change any manifest settings to achieve this?
Jun 26 14:56:07 <wongk> targetSDK
Jun 26 14:56:56 <The_Fred> thanks wongk :)
Jun 26 15:00:27 <o2oo> hi
Jun 26 15:00:31 <o2oo> everybody
Jun 26 15:01:06 <o2oo> I wonder if anybody know why my phone can't search out some apps in Google Play.
Jun 26 15:01:25 <Leeds> because it's not compatible, either by country or by hardware spec
Jun 26 15:06:29 <thedaydreamer> Hello People!
Jun 26 15:07:08 <thedaydreamer> Can anyone advice me about using HTML5 vs Android Native Apps ?
Jun 26 15:07:56 <sha0coder> thedaydreamer, native :)
Jun 26 15:08:19 <sha0coder> thedaydreamer, what kind of app?
Jun 26 15:08:28 <thedaydreamer> sha0coder, thanks for the reply. Imagine some social games
Jun 26 15:08:42 <thedaydreamer> it's easy to build such games over HTML5
Jun 26 15:09:07 <sha0coder> yep, and portable
Jun 26 15:09:15 <sha0coder> but are slow
Jun 26 15:09:15 <thedaydreamer> Yes Exactly
Jun 26 15:09:21 <sasson> new FileOutputStream(new File("/sdcard/sharedIMG.jpg")) should make this file on my sd card right?
Jun 26 15:09:44 <sha0coder> sasson, yes
Jun 26 15:09:45 <alankila> you should not reference /sdcard. It may be elsewhere, like /mnt/sdcard
Jun 26 15:09:54 <sha0coder> is a symlink
Jun 26 15:10:06 <alankila> use the Environment class to acquire the location of the sd card
Jun 26 15:10:34 <sasson> where /mnt/sdcard  will point me?
Jun 26 15:11:09 <alankila> Who cares. Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() should be the method
Jun 26 15:11:24 <alankila> also there's an option to ask if the storage is currently available
Jun 26 15:11:32 <alankila> something which might be important if you plan to try to use it
Jun 26 15:12:19 <alankila> these days though there's both internal and external sdcard, so this simple model is starting to get pretty muddy, methinks
Jun 26 15:12:45 <alankila> for instance for me the external is at /mnt/emmc and internal at /mnt/sdcard
Jun 26 15:12:45 <wongk> you also need permission to access external storage
Jun 26 15:13:17 <alankila> for a brief time the internal sdcard was mounted at /sdcard/internal_sd or something like that, if memory serves
Jun 26 15:13:26 <sasson> what will be the best way to save a jpeg I've created then? (I want to share it later on in the application)
Jun 26 15:13:37 <alankila> so that applications saw a somewhat unified view... No idea anymore how this thing is supposed to work, I'm afraid.
Jun 26 15:13:53 <alankila> sasson: why not just save it using a Context method to open a file for writing?
Jun 26 15:14:18 <alankila> Context#openFileOutput()
Jun 26 15:14:30 <sasson> I tried what was written here .... the second post... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2174875/android-canvas-to-jpg
Jun 26 15:15:09 <sasson> getDrawingCache().compress(Bitmap.CompressFormat.JPEG, 100, new FileOutputStream(new File("/mnt/sdcard/myPic.jpg")))
Jun 26 15:15:19 <alankila> well what you try to do sucks, so stop forcing the path
Jun 26 15:15:23 <sasson> but I don't see the file anywhere and can't share it...
Jun 26 15:15:45 <The_Fred> alankila, +1
Jun 26 15:15:53 <alankila> You have methods to generate private or public file storages in some form, and you have methods to use the sdcard for storage if that is what you want to do
Jun 26 15:15:58 <alankila> writing /mnt/sdcard is not the right way.
Jun 26 15:16:46 <alankila> also when you mean for "sharing", you still talk about in context of your own application? so you don't absolutely even have to make it publicly accessible to any application.
Jun 26 15:16:48 <sasson> I just want to temporary generate a file so I could share it via gmail or sms...a simple jpen of the canvas
Jun 26 15:17:07 <alankila> I've pointed you at Context#openFileOutput. I suggest that for now.
Jun 26 15:17:43 <alankila> since your file is a bit temporary in nature perhaps it should be thought of as a "cache" file, but IDK, it probably makes little real difference.
Jun 26 15:18:53 <sasson> cached file sound like what I need
Jun 26 15:19:12 <sasson> I'm looking into Context.openFileOutput
Jun 26 15:19:47 <alankila> also you can save the file to a memory stream, if you can reasonably argue that you have the memory to deal with it
Jun 26 15:19:53 <alankila> so you can avoid filesystem storage entirely
Jun 26 15:20:11 <alankila> for that purpose, something like ByteArrayOutputStream could be used
Jun 26 15:20:24 <The_Fred> with an app developed for android:minSdkVersion="7", what affect does targetSdkVersion & maxSdkVersion have?
Jun 26 15:20:46 <alankila> however you should probably use the outputstream immediately and dispose of it
Jun 26 15:21:01 <alankila> android doesn't really allow applications to hang around for very long
Jun 26 15:23:00 <alankila> The_Fred: it's documented. minsdk = minimum required, maxsdk = maximum allowed, target = tested on that device and works correctly on it (for enabling workarounds)
Jun 26 15:23:54 <CJung> I'm using a PreferenceFragment and overriding onPreferenceTreeClick(), but the documentation doesn't say what the boolean I'm returning is supposed to be for. Does anyone know off the top of their head?
Jun 26 15:23:56 <alankila> for instance if target says 10, and you run on 11, and min is 9, it means that the 11 device knows that only compatibility workarounds since 10 are required
Jun 26 15:24:34 <The_Fred> alankila, aha - ok,got it, big thanks
Jun 26 15:25:11 <alankila> also a 9 device will hope that your application is written to cater for it. So don't go around calling methods or directly referencing classes that don't exist
Jun 26 15:28:17 <alankila> I personally do not understand why anyone would use maxsdk except to say that there's a better application that replaces it after that version
Jun 26 15:28:44 <alankila> so you have two apks, and use the maxsdk to filter out the version intended for the worse phones and have another that specifies minsdk as 1 greater than the maxsdk
Jun 26 15:28:55 <sasson> thanks alankila
Jun 26 15:29:21 <alankila> I serve.
Jun 26 15:30:27 <Leeds> and obey?
Jun 26 15:30:30 <The_Fred> alankila, I was vague about maxSDK, thats a nice explanation
Jun 26 15:30:34 <alankila> I necessarily do not obey
Jun 26 15:31:06 <The_Fred> lol
Jun 26 15:32:08 <Leeds> isn't it pretty clear from the docs that you shouldn't use maxSdk unless you're really sure you know you need it?
Jun 26 15:32:49 <The_Fred> Leeds, its about as clear as mud regarding maxSDK...
Jun 26 15:33:29 <The_Fred> I found myself wondering why it would ever be used, but then considering the growth of devices...
Jun 26 15:33:39 <alankila> anddroid documentation: it's clear provided you already understand it.
Jun 26 15:34:32 <Leeds> "Warning: Declaring this attribute is not recommended." "Future versions of Android (beyond Android 2.0.1) will no longer check or enforce the maxSdkVersion attribute during installation or re-validation"
Jun 26 15:34:34 <The_Fred> yes, and sometimes a little explanation helps the digestion of the docs :)
Jun 26 15:34:57 <alankila> maxsdk ought to be supported imho though. It has useful role.
Jun 26 15:35:01 <alankila> or had
Jun 26 15:35:31 <alankila> nothing wrong rewriting application when some large transition occurs like fragments
Jun 26 15:35:59 <alankila> and you don't want to play the support library game because it kinda sucks.
Jun 26 15:36:47 <alankila> especially the -v4 support library does. FragmentActivity. SupportFragmentManager. Eww.
Jun 26 15:39:28 <wongk> every app that supports < API 11 should be using the support library
Jun 26 15:40:03 <UnbertKant> I recommend ActionBarSherlock for this, it's fantastic.
Jun 26 15:40:29 <UnbertKant> (It's an extension for the support libraries, that makes some things a lot easier)
Jun 26 15:40:44 <alankila> yeah everyone seems to be using it
Jun 26 15:40:52 <alankila> I just write applications for 4.0.3 or better, I guess :-p
Jun 26 15:41:13 <alankila> *sigh* anything android-related on the i/o?
Jun 26 15:41:17 <UnbertKant> Only downside is that it doesn't include the Android 4 fonts on Android 2 devices.
Jun 26 15:41:30 <UnbertKant> And there seems to be a bug which causes padding to not work correctly.
Jun 26 15:41:39 <UnbertKant> But other than that it's great.
Jun 26 15:41:41 <alankila> yeah the roboto family is pretty great, pity that it did not come with a monotype variant
Jun 26 15:42:34 <alankila> I especially love its thin versions, because so many fonts are so damned heavy in stroke
Jun 26 15:43:19 <alankila> http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/roboto
Jun 26 15:44:05 <alankila> thin, light, regular, bold, black, condensed... damn that it has no monotype to go with it
Jun 26 15:44:10 <UnbertKant> I wonder why the font isn't part of ActionBarSherlock. Any reason, JakeWharton?
Jun 26 15:44:24 <JakeWharton> because it's not part of the action bar
Jun 26 15:45:38 <JakeWharton> drop it in your assets folder, write 4 lines of code to load it into views
Jun 26 15:46:12 <JakeWharton> even if I thought it should be included you can't bundle assets in library projects anyways
Jun 26 15:47:22 <Pinas> hello one question. What is the best method to extract an link out of a webpage source code (in a string)  ?
Jun 26 15:47:58 <The_Fred> Pinas, try #java
Jun 26 15:48:21 <Pinas> already did - i need to run this code on a android phone thats why i ask here
Jun 26 15:49:03 <Pinas> using a html parsers seem finde but I don't know if this is not an overkill for just one url (especially on a mobile phone)
Jun 26 15:49:10 <Pinas> s/finde/fine/
Jun 26 15:51:05 <wongk> Pinas: regex, most likely
Jun 26 15:51:10 <wongk> it's a slippery slope
Jun 26 15:51:24 <EuroTrash> I'd just jsoup it.
Jun 26 15:51:35 <EuroTrash> Works fine on Android too
Jun 26 15:51:43 <wongk> sounds like that requires an additional library
Jun 26 15:52:20 <EuroTrash> Yes, a useful library :)
Jun 26 15:52:39 <wongk> i'm sure, but i wouldn't use it just for extracting 1 url from a bit of html :P
Jun 26 15:52:50 <EuroTrash> Depends on the nature of the html.
Jun 26 15:53:17 <EuroTrash> Also regex is a lot more iffy than a semantic approach like jsoup has.
Jun 26 15:53:42 <alankila> hmm, "Latin Modern Mono" seems to have a lot of styles
Jun 26 15:53:49 <alankila> Maybe I find better font for OS X terminal and coding from this
Jun 26 15:57:48 <alankila> Hmm... OS X's terminal broke after I installed these fonts
Jun 26 15:58:28 <The_Fred> OMG,I just ran my app through a final inspection using all VM types, it looks real bad on a large screen :(
Jun 26 15:58:59 <wongk> guess that inspection wasn't so final, then :P
Jun 26 15:59:01 <The_Fred> I guess this is where fragments come in to play...
Jun 26 15:59:13 <wongk> it certainly can be
Jun 26 16:00:17 <The_Fred> wongk, you can say that again :(
Jun 26 16:01:07 <The_Fred> im glad i did inspect it because although its a pain to see, i'd rather atch in now than have users complaining....
Jun 26 16:03:56 <wongk> and they will complain :P
Jun 26 16:04:36 <dabbe> hi guys, I've always made non-fancy looking games but I thought I'd give it a try.. but I realized I'm not that very good at it.. and I've tried some but I don't know where to find inspiration.. does anyone know what to search for or where to look to improve my drawing skills? (this is my current which I'm hoping to upgrade a lot.. http://imgur.com/HLpkb)
Jun 26 16:08:47 <tnzr> dabbe: personally I really like primitives and vector graphics...you can focus more on animation and physics and things like particle effects and stuff without really having to know how to "draw" as much
Jun 26 16:09:04 <dabbe> alright ok
Jun 26 16:09:42 <tnzr> dabbe: also one sec, you should watch this video, let me find it
Jun 26 16:12:11 <tnzr> dabbe:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy0aCDmgnxg
Jun 26 16:12:50 <dabbe> tyvm =)
Jun 26 16:17:36 <elegos> I've got a question: what's the best approach to know if a binary exists? I'd call "which NEEDLE", but I hope there's something at API level.
Jun 26 16:18:25 <tnzr> elegos: which only finds things on your path
Jun 26 16:18:38 <elegos> yeah I need that tbh
Jun 26 16:19:04 <elegos> in order to call it in a second time, or call a local version in the resources if needed
Jun 26 16:19:48 <wongk> that's not a typicaly use case, i don't think there's an api for that
Jun 26 16:21:03 <elegos> well, I could echo $PATH
Jun 26 16:21:19 <elegos> and then check with a file stream if the file exists in the path
Jun 26 16:23:36 <The_Fred> Is there any issue with using multiple support libraries ?
Jun 26 16:24:38 <wongk> you mean, like the v4 & v7 libraries, or like multiple versions of v4?
Jun 26 16:25:13 <The_Fred> yes
Jun 26 16:25:16 <The_Fred> sorry ,no
Jun 26 16:25:22 <The_Fred> i mean using v4 and v7
Jun 26 16:25:24 <wongk> that wasn't a yes or no question
Jun 26 16:25:30 <wongk> no, that's fine
Jun 26 16:25:39 <The_Fred> ok, thank you wongk
Jun 26 16:28:31 <The_Fred> hmm, thats balloned the .apk from 82k to 195Kb,but still small enough not to worry me...
Jun 26 16:29:13 <thedaydreamer> Hey Guys
Jun 26 16:29:20 <thedaydreamer> anyone have used Appspresso ?
Jun 26 16:29:46 <evancharlton> The_Fred: feed it through proguard
Jun 26 16:30:13 <evancharlton> thedaydreamer: no but it sounds like one of those hybrid things used to churn out shitty apps
Jun 26 16:30:14 <The_Fred> evancharlton, yup, thats the next step, just testing it out on the VMs
Jun 26 16:30:51 <thedaydreamer> Hey, Do you have any idea about hybrid apps ?
Jun 26 16:31:01 <thedaydreamer> Can you give me 10 minutes of yours ?
Jun 26 16:32:20 <evancharlton> thedaydreamer: do you have an actual question? If so, just ask it.
Jun 26 16:33:10 <The_Fred> is this normal when adding the support libs: Unable to open stack trace file '/data/anr/traces.txt': Permission denied....?
Jun 26 16:34:16 <thedaydreamer> Yes, The question is - So hybrid apps are basically combination of Android Native + HTML5 apps. Now, for example how to use Android native functionalities - let say I want to blur an image through native, how do I do that ?
Jun 26 16:34:18 <Ologn> My Nook Developer status was approved, yay
Jun 26 16:34:52 <thedaydreamer> If we use PhoneGap, it can't be done because phonegap won't allow two separete things native and html5
Jun 26 16:35:05 <evancharlton> thedaydreamer: who knows; ask the creators of whatever hybrid framework you want to use
Jun 26 16:35:10 <Leeds> thedaydreamer: or you could actually write a real app?
Jun 26 16:35:17 <evancharlton> p.s., those hybrid frameworks are all complete garbage
Jun 26 16:35:31 <thedaydreamer> evancharlton - why so ?
Jun 26 16:35:49 <Leeds> evancharlton: I've been tempted to use one to build an iOS app, without having to touch Apple stuff any more than minimally necessary
Jun 26 16:35:57 <evancharlton> try and make a decent app with one and you'll find out why
Jun 26 16:36:00 <Skurlat> Hi
Jun 26 16:36:18 <thedaydreamer> What problem you faced ?
Jun 26 16:36:28 <Skurlat> I am having a problem using a JavascriptInterface in my webview
Jun 26 16:36:39 <Skurlat> I am trying to pass JSON information through it
Jun 26 16:37:35 <Skurlat> my JSON comes as a string but in javascript the string is probably still more a java string than a javascript string
Jun 26 16:37:50 <Skurlat> my problem is probably similar to here : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-developers/uTSEQdcFSy4
Jun 26 16:42:00 <Leeds> evancharlton: incidentally, there are worse things than phonegap and friends... saw someone announcing on Facebook that he'd released an app - it came from an app builder, just give it an RSS feed or two, some basic theming (name, icon, etc.) and it builds a shippable app for you
Jun 26 17:03:07 <wongk> just reading through some of the articles at http://developer.android.com/training ... good stuff
Jun 26 17:05:49 <cythes> Is there a way I can get the power button to run an app by haveing said app start at boot time?
Jun 26 17:05:53 <robb_www> just found out the name i was going to give this app is a registered trademark :(
Jun 26 17:06:44 <wongk> cythes: to simplify your question, you want your app to run after the phone is booted?
Jun 26 17:07:05 <The_Fred> evancharlton, yes, proguard slimmed it from 195 to 119 Kb :) thanks for the reminder!
Jun 26 17:07:31 <robb_www> hi Fred hows it going
Jun 26 17:08:19 <cythes> wongk: In essense I want it to load at boot. so it can run when the button is pressed.
Jun 26 17:08:48 <wongk> cythes: you seem to be drawing some invalid conlcusions about how the power button works
Jun 26 17:09:08 <The_Fred> robb_www, hello, all-in-all- not a bad day really
Jun 26 17:09:26 <wongk> obviously it boots the phone when it's off, but it behaves differently when the phone is on
Jun 26 17:09:26 <cythes> wongk: Mind a pm? I can explain it better there
Jun 26 17:09:32 <wongk> yes i do
Jun 26 17:09:44 <cythes> Then I'll try to explain it here.
Jun 26 17:09:49 <wongk> you want to take advantage of all the brilliant minds in the channel
Jun 26 17:09:57 <cythes> Yeah true
Jun 26 17:10:08 <cythes> Alright lets retry this.
Jun 26 17:13:08 <cythes> I have an app that needs a button to be pressed and held for a certain ammount of time, This app is not a game or an office application its a personal reminder app. all I need to this to do is put into motion another app.
Jun 26 17:17:18 <brx_> cythes: it sounds like an os level operation/feature. you can use onKeyPressed() to capture key presses if an apps activity is in focus but you are asking for more than that
Jun 26 17:20:15 <bakis> hey guys i have a really great picking method but when i move my model matrix the picking no longer works. The method i have should be compensating for the movement but it isn't.. does anyone have any idea why?
Jun 26 17:21:27 <EuroTrash> Of course not
Jun 26 17:21:56 <wongk> did you just ask us to tell you why your code, which we aren't familiar with, isn't work?
Jun 26 17:22:01 <wongk> ing
Jun 26 17:22:02 <homer_s> hi could anyone guide me to the columns of a gridview?
Jun 26 17:22:15 <homer_s> ups wrong question
Jun 26 17:22:21 <cythes> brx_:now we are getting some place... Any ways around this / what are my other options...
Jun 26 17:22:29 * EuroTrash lets go of homer_s' hand
Jun 26 17:22:30 <homer_s> could someone help me to center the columns of a gridview?
Jun 26 17:23:02 <EuroTrash> Not sure how to interpret "center".
Jun 26 17:23:22 <homer_s> EuroTrash: the columns should be horizontal centered on screen
Jun 26 17:23:33 <bakis> http://pastebin.com/FGPiMhwk
Jun 26 17:23:36 <bakis> thats the unproject
Jun 26 17:23:45 <homer_s> the gridview use android:numColumns="auto_fit" android:stretchMode="none"
Jun 26 17:23:47 <bakis> http://pastebin.com/DWe8ZBeP
Jun 26 17:23:52 <bakis> thats the code that calls it
Jun 26 17:24:40 <wongk> bakis: have you debugged this code?
Jun 26 17:24:45 <brx_> cythes: i dont think there will be a workaround tbh, but if i had to guess i would say root+custom rom with ninja button hack
Jun 26 17:25:03 <EuroTrash> homer_s:  android:gravity="center" ? or not what you mean?
Jun 26 17:25:05 <bakis> yeah? i mean it "works" it just points from my original position
Jun 26 17:25:18 <wongk> so it works or it doesn't
Jun 26 17:25:19 <EuroTrash> center_horizontal for just horizontal centering.
Jun 26 17:25:29 <cythes> Which wont do good for public use brx_ Damn.. O.o
Jun 26 17:25:44 <Adshi> Hello! I am new to Android and I have question: What's the best way to add settings? addPreferencesFromResource is deprecated, so what I need to use?
Jun 26 17:26:04 <bakis> so everywhere i click it stems from the original spot that the model matrix was in, but when i move it, the vectors keep originating from that same position on the model matrix
Jun 26 17:26:28 <bakis> so it works in the sense that it still draws squares and vectors, just not where i want them to be drawn
Jun 26 17:26:31 <brx_> cythes: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/home-button-open-favourite-app-android/
Jun 26 17:26:32 <wongk> bakis: ok, so have you debugged your code to find out why that happens?
Jun 26 17:26:45 <bakis> i've been trying. i don't know why, that's why i'm asking you
Jun 26 17:26:54 <wongk> did you run in the debugger
Jun 26 17:26:54 <brx_> but its not exactly smt you could include with an app download*
Jun 26 17:26:56 <homer_s> EuroTrash: every thing i try it aligns the columns left: http://pastebin.com/ExSDJ55x
Jun 26 17:26:58 <bakis> it should be stemming from the current view
Jun 26 17:27:00 <bakis> yes
Jun 26 17:27:17 <bakis> it should be drawing from 0,0,0 to where i picked, but it isn't
Jun 26 17:27:37 <EuroTrash> homer_s: your gridview is wrap_content so I suspect your framelayout is putting the entire gridview at the left.
Jun 26 17:28:17 <EuroTrash> If that's the case, either center the gridview in its container, or set the gridview to fill_parent width.
Jun 26 17:28:25 <wongk> Adshi: it's only deprecated on the newest API levels
Jun 26 17:29:14 <homer_s> EuroTrash: hm even the columns are left aligned
Jun 26 17:29:43 <zpmorgan> has anyone backported android's face detection to 2.3?
Jun 26 17:30:01 <Adshi> wongk, yea, but in future too?
Jun 26 17:30:25 <wongk> Adshi: unfortunately PreferenceFragment isn't available in the support library
Jun 26 17:30:32 <EuroTrash> homer_s: the contents, you mean? Different thing
Jun 26 17:30:37 <homer_s> EuroTrash: one moment i take a screenshot
Jun 26 17:31:11 <cythes> brx_: any ideas for volume buttons?
Jun 26 17:32:31 <Adshi> wongk, so I must use depracated addPreferencesFromResource? If it's only way, why it's depracated?
Jun 26 17:32:58 <wongk> Adshi: like i said, it's only deprecated for API levels which offer PreferenceActivity
Jun 26 17:33:00 <JakeWharton> because PreferenceFragment exists
Jun 26 17:33:08 <wongk> er
Jun 26 17:33:12 <wongk> PreferenceFragment
Jun 26 17:33:13 <homer_s> EuroTrash: look at this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64133338/Screenshots/android_gridview.png
Jun 26 17:33:53 <homer_s> EuroTrash: the gridview use the full size and i whant the auto_fit columns aligned horizontal center
Jun 26 17:34:09 <EuroTrash> http://developer.android.com/tools/debugging/debugging-ui.html
Jun 26 17:34:55 <EuroTrash> How do you know it uses the full size? As far as I can see its width is wrap_content
Jun 26 17:35:35 <flashpass> Android NDK question -> when including a prebuilt static shared library (*.a), should the toolchain be automatically putting the library in the [project]/libs directory and in the apk file?  This is happening with my *.so files but not the static library...
Jun 26 17:35:51 <brx_> you cant do it cythes. you can only use onKeyPressed() from within the context of an activity, you want it to happen form nothing...even a service wouldnt work
Jun 26 17:36:16 <wongk> flashpass: static libraries are linked... statically
Jun 26 17:36:26 <wongk> there is no file to include
Jun 26 17:37:16 <homer_s> EuroTrash: could the hierarchy viewer help to find this out?
Jun 26 17:37:32 <EuroTrash> homer_s: yes, it'll show you exactly where all the view boundaries start and end.
Jun 26 17:37:44 <spobat> http://www.myportableworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Picard-Android.jpg :)
Jun 26 17:38:01 <Adshi> When I use PreferenceFragment insted PreferenceActivity, my app crash
Jun 26 17:38:40 <homer_s> EuroTrash: ok i check this out
Jun 26 17:38:43 <spobat> es
Jun 26 17:39:23 <flashpass> wongk: okay so it shouldn't be copied there, good. And so do you also not need the System.loadLibrary() call on the java side as well?
Jun 26 17:39:44 <wongk> there would be no library to load
Jun 26 17:41:26 <badfish129> if I spawn a system process with Runtime.exec
Jun 26 17:41:40 <badfish129> will that continue running even after my application has left the foreground/exited completely etc?
Jun 26 17:42:53 <flashpass> wongk: I see, hmm. Okay thanks for the info.
Jun 26 17:44:18 <wongk> badfish129: being familiar with linux, but not necessarilly Runtime.exec, that's what i would expect
Jun 26 17:44:33 <badfish129> wongk: thats what i thought too, thanks
Jun 26 17:45:25 <sasson> I'm getting null pointer exception when trying this line: Bitmap.compress(Bitmap.CompressFormat.JPEG, 100, fos) fos is a fileOutputStream I just opened a line above this one...
Jun 26 17:46:50 <homer_s> EuroTrash: the debug layout view shows that the gridview takes the full width of the screen
Jun 26 17:47:20 <homer_s> EuroTrash: so any centering of the gridview self would not help much
Jun 26 17:47:26 <alankila> sasson: validate that 'fos' is not null. Also you probably mean bitmap.compress()
Jun 26 17:49:17 <sasson> 'fos' is not a null
Jun 26 17:53:45 <wongk> sasson: compress is not a static method, so I assume you are calling that method on a null Bitmap object
Jun 26 17:57:07 <dark3n> JakeWharton, ^
Jun 26 17:58:37 <homer_s> EuroTrash: any advice to fix this?
Jun 26 17:58:45 <Waynes> is there some easy way to load my pngs as opengl textures in native code?
Jun 26 18:00:00 <Chronax> Hey guys, I'm trying to set the title text color in ActionBarSherlock, but I keep getting the error "no resource found that matches the attribute textColor on the first line here: http://pastie.org/4155666 Any ideas?
Jun 26 18:01:40 <Chronax> Need to summon JakeWharton. ;)
Jun 26 18:01:54 <nadim> Hi all - I'm looking to find out how to include PlayReady DRM (microsoft's DRM) into a port of Android on an ARM platform.  Google, seemingly, seems to include PlayReady DRM support to the binaries it ships but I'm wondering if there is a binary library/application which I can include myself.  Any pointers would help.
Jun 26 18:02:04 <JakeWharton> working
Jun 26 18:02:23 <JakeWharton> you don't need to duplicate all attributes
Jun 26 18:02:24 <lov> nadim: shouldn't you be asking microsoft?
Jun 26 18:02:35 <JakeWharton> only things in theme, actionBarStyle, and actionModeStyle
Jun 26 18:03:57 <nadim> lov: well, I'm curious about this from the google point of view as they already include it per various annoucements on the web and I'm sure that microsoft would simply ignore my question and not address it (as they've been doing regarding playready and Linux)
Jun 26 18:04:41 <Chronax> Hrm... so setting android:textColor should work, right?  Here's what I'm doing - trying to set it to white: http://pastie.org/4155690
Jun 26 18:05:44 <lov> nadim: you could always pull down AOSP and take a look, it might be included in there.
Jun 26 18:06:04 <lov> That said, remember that Google doesn't make android phones, manufacturers do; google may only dictate that the manufacturer include it.
Jun 26 18:06:27 <sasson> I managed to create the jpeg I wanted. but I can't share it, when I try to share it with gmail my phone gives my a notice "couldn't show attachment" and all I send is an empty email
Jun 26 18:06:30 <nadim> lov: in passing, there are integrators out there that supposedly do this for a living (include playready DRM into Android) but I'm trying to understand google's side of things...
Jun 26 18:06:35 <nadim> lov: noted.
Jun 26 18:07:10 <lov> Your best bet is to take a look at AOSP, and see if playready is in there somewhere. if it is, great, you're probably already set. If not, well, you'll just have to figure it out :|
Jun 26 18:07:49 <midnight> Hi guys,  I can't get my message posted on google group - all I get is "Your topic has been created and will appear after it has been approved"
Jun 26 18:08:21 <nadim> lov: I'm 99.9% certain it won't be in the AOSP (there is no way its source code would be "available"), I was guessing/hoping for the ability to download a binary library/application to include.
Jun 26 18:08:28 <midnight> but it never gets approved. PS sorry for offtopic but I really fell confused
Jun 26 18:09:15 <lov> nadim: the source code for it won't be, but opaque binaries can be included in AOSP
Jun 26 18:09:37 <lov> AOSP is Apache 2, not Free As In Neckbeard
Jun 26 18:09:58 <Chronax> Anybody know why I can't set the title color to white in ABS?  Here's what I'm doing - trying to set it to white: http://pastie.org/4155690
Jun 26 18:12:50 <nadim> lov: will look - though that would renders the integrators without a job/function - so there seems to be more to the story I guess...  Would have loved to hear from someone from google with intimate knowledge on the topic
Jun 26 18:13:31 <jrockjiggz> hmm, i added pic1.png to my /res/drawable folders, but R.drawable.pic1 is giving error: pic1 is not resolved or not a field
Jun 26 18:15:17 <lov> nadim: http://developer.android.com/support.html
Jun 26 18:16:00 <MDijkstra> gah, what is google analytics for android a pita to use
Jun 26 18:19:38 <nadim> lov: that's why I'm in this channel ;-)
Jun 26 18:20:35 <lov> nadim: you won't get much help here, I'm afraid.
Jun 26 18:20:41 <lov> Your best bet is probably the google groups
Jun 26 18:22:25 <badfish129> I want to start a thread that runs whether or not the app is in the foreground (the thread polls a server and populates a database), would I just use startService and in that service spawn another thread?
Jun 26 18:24:01 <hrnt> badfish129: how often does it poll the server?
Jun 26 18:24:11 <badfish129> varies
Jun 26 18:24:18 <badfish129> probably every 10 or 20 seconds
Jun 26 18:24:52 <hrnt> ok, in that case probably go with services
Jun 26 18:25:10 <hrnt> (i am sure you are aware that such usage will kill the battery very, very fast)
Jun 26 18:25:21 <badfish129> so like an intent service with an infinite loop?
Jun 26 18:25:34 <badfish129> and yes, this is just for more of a proof of concept kind of thing (only on the emulator)
Jun 26 18:25:51 <dark3n> JakeWharton, any news on this https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/351 ?
Jun 26 18:26:06 <JakeWharton> android bug
Jun 26 18:26:20 <JakeWharton> viewpager bug
Jun 26 18:26:33 <dark3n> i have been playing around with viewpager, abs, splitbar etc.
Jun 26 18:26:47 <dark3n> everything seems to be buggy =(
Jun 26 18:27:13 <dark3n> any known work arounds?
Jun 26 18:27:39 <Ravenheart> apple
Jun 26 18:28:05 <JakeWharton> no clue, never seen the bug in my usage
Jun 26 18:29:12 <dark3n> could fix it by removing the view pager, but i really wanted it
Jun 26 18:29:19 <badfish129> hrnt: how do services and callbacks work
Jun 26 18:29:41 <badfish129> hrnt: say my intentservice initializes a location manager and requests location updates
Jun 26 18:29:53 <badfish129> does that mean that the intent service will run continuously?
Jun 26 18:30:40 <hrnt> badfish129: i hope somebody else can help you with that, i haven't used that aspect of services that much (my app uses a sync adapter)
Jun 26 18:31:11 <dark3n> saying you have seen the bug in your usage, have you written an app with abs and viewpager, where each fragments add their own menuitems? ;-)
Jun 26 18:32:00 <JakeWharton> nope
Jun 26 18:32:16 <JakeWharton> we use Views in ViewPager not fragments
Jun 26 18:32:55 <dark3n> i see hm..
Jun 26 18:35:53 <lov> badfish129: I don't believe so. IntentService will run until it has run out of intents to process, and then finishes.
Jun 26 18:36:05 <lov> You could use a regular service to perform long lived LBS things, though.
Jun 26 18:43:28 <JaredCE> http://pastebin.com/xnKvjLcy is there a way of seperating the spinner.setOnItemSelectedListener so it sits outside the setupView function, much like a Buttons onClickListener?
Jun 26 18:43:56 <nadim> lov: yeah, I've already posted the questions to the google groups (got a couple of integrators emailing me privately pitching their solution)
Jun 26 18:49:25 <lov> nadim: ha
Jun 26 18:49:31 <lov> nadim: sorry I can't help you further, sorry.
Jun 26 18:51:58 <jayd16> so I want to implement an activity with picker dialogs, I'm going about it with dialogfragments.  Does it make sense to call getActivity(), cast it to what I want, and then call setter methods on what the user picked.  Seems straight forward but I thought I'd ask.  I still don't know the fragment lifecycle that well.
Jun 26 18:52:52 <johnnyonflame> Hello there, I need some help
Jun 26 18:53:12 <johnnyonflame> I'm trying to port Hexen II for Android using NanoGL, but I'm getting "ERROR: No dynamic GL support in video driver" on the logcat
Jun 26 18:53:25 <johnnyonflame> and I'm not pretty sure how am I supossed to track this bug down
Jun 26 18:55:46 <cythes> brx_: Alright thanks sorry about the late responce...
Jun 26 18:58:45 <cythes> brx_: What if it does not need to run on start up... but on loading... like how if you have an SD card in the droid will scan the SD... something like that...
Jun 26 19:00:07 <Waynes> if I convert a png image to a c byte array inside a header file for my native app, will the data be compressed?
Jun 26 19:00:31 <tnzr> so I have a quasi-complex layout with a custom view included inside. From outside in a helper class, I'm trying to get that custom view to redraw on certain events (like when a button is pressed) but invalidate() nor postInvalidate() seem to work.. they just don't seem to do anything at all....any tips?
Jun 26 19:03:29 <badfish129> is there a way to get latitude and longitude as a float from the locationmanager?
Jun 26 19:04:17 <evancharlton> yeah, divide by 10E6
Jun 26 19:05:15 <badfish129> no i mean with the actual accuracy
Jun 26 19:05:24 <badfish129> *with higher accuracy
Jun 26 19:06:20 <evancharlton> er
Jun 26 19:06:34 <evancharlton> you think a consumer-grade GPS will give you better than 6 digits of precision?
Jun 26 19:06:42 <JaredCE> in the android virtual device manager how do you get the softkeyboard to show up?
Jun 26 19:07:32 <FunnyLookinHat> evancharlton, uh yeah... all you have to do is just keep adding zeros....  ;)
Jun 26 19:07:35 <evancharlton> badfish129: but anyway, LocationManager#getLastKnownLocation() -> Location#getLatitude()
Jun 26 19:08:02 <jfrantz> jaredce: usually if you hold the settings button (on an emulator for example), the soft keyboard comes up
Jun 26 19:08:17 <ctate> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/26/3118814/android-4-1-jelly-bean-monument-appears-on-googles-lawn
Jun 26 19:08:32 <ctate> someone spilled the (jelly)beans!
Jun 26 19:08:35 <ctate> :)
Jun 26 19:08:58 <FunnyLookinHat> Hey quick Q - is there an easier way to change the icon used in MyLocationOverlay other than to extend MyLocationOverlay?
Jun 26 19:09:05 <lov> no.
Jun 26 19:09:22 <Ge0rG> ctate: bean-eating trolls?
Jun 26 19:09:57 <Ge0rG> now that oracle has lost, I hope nobody is going to confuse jellybeans with javabeans
Jun 26 19:10:23 <p_l> so jellybeans after all?
Jun 26 19:11:40 <ctate> p_l: looks that way.  what else would it have been?  i mean, everybody's known it's "Jellybean" for ages.
Jun 26 19:12:15 <wHiTeHaT44> i expected more gay colors
Jun 26 19:12:15 <Ge0rG> damn. now I installed cyanogenmod on my nexus, and google is coming out with 4.1...
Jun 26 19:12:41 <p_l> ctate: I expected something contrary, just so it would be contrary ;)
Jun 26 19:13:10 <p_l> though jellybabies would be fine as well, for the fans of a certain oldest question in the universe
Jun 26 19:13:30 <greymalkin> I'm seeing something which (to me) seems really odd: My Activities are not having 'onPause'/'onResume' called when they push another activity in front of them... is this normal with startActivityForResult?
Jun 26 19:13:51 <greymalkin> Oh, nevermind... this isn't even startActivityForResult -- it's happening on normal pushes.
Jun 26 19:14:29 <FunnyLookinHat> lov, k - it's not difficult, just figured I'd ask.
Jun 26 19:14:57 <langkid1> !join
Jun 26 19:15:00 <langkid1> Er
Jun 26 19:15:15 <greymalkin> Oh... nevermind.. it's just before the onPause of the dropping activity.
Jun 26 19:15:16 <langkid1> Sorry, wrong channel
Jun 26 19:15:20 <langkid1> Sorry.
Jun 26 19:15:53 * lov frowns
Jun 26 19:16:28 <wHiTeHaT44> I'm not sure that is acceptable @langkid1
Jun 26 19:18:15 <asterisk-Tester> hello, using this code : http://pastebin.ca/2164854 I am able to share an image with existing application on the android device such as twitter, facebook, whatsapp,.....
Jun 26 19:19:01 <lov> asterisk-Tester: well done!
Jun 26 19:19:23 <asterisk-Tester> when the appropriate activity is called , the attachment is shown correctly,  but i am unable to populate the edit box shown too
Jun 26 19:19:37 <asterisk-Tester> any idea how this can be accomplished /
Jun 26 19:19:39 <asterisk-Tester> ?
Jun 26 19:21:59 <lov> asterisk-Tester: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/02/share-with-intents.html
Jun 26 19:22:01 <g00s> "For some reason Mozilla blocks it for Android 3 devices but allows it on Android 2 and Android 4." … how did they do this ?
Jun 26 19:22:53 <frojnd> Hi there. I'm trying to run a project (learning game logic and stuff but I get application has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. I'm looking at LogCat but i really suck at reading this log. Can anyone help me out?
Jun 26 19:23:21 <lov> frojnd: look for the stack trace
Jun 26 19:23:25 <lov> find the furthest "caused by" in the list
Jun 26 19:23:30 <jrockjiggz> Hi, i'm wondering how to authenticate a user with a http connection, and persists that account with the app.. does the server need a custom socket? Is there any solutions available?
Jun 26 19:30:25 <asterisk-Tester> lov: the link seem to offer sample code for sharing an image or a text apart, while i am looking to have shared with the same startIntent()
Jun 26 19:31:14 <asterisk-Tester> or am i misssing sotmhing?
Jun 26 19:32:44 <ctate> https://plus.google.com/108761828584265913206/posts/7X1aZauZcQc
Jun 26 19:33:14 <ctate> g00s: what is that your'e quoting (re Mozilla)?
Jun 26 19:34:47 <g00s> ctate: oh, a story on HN about Mozilla FF ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4162052 … comment by polshaw )
Jun 26 19:35:13 <g00s> nope, that was not him. hold  on
Jun 26 19:35:25 * Ge0rG wonders why no mobile browsers except for android Browser figure out scrolling.
Jun 26 19:35:29 <jerry_l> quoted "Mozilla blocks it for Android 3 devices but allows it on Android 2 and Android 4" ~ but do you really want to  do this. is it important. SDK wise?
Jun 26 19:35:36 <johnnyonflame> what flags do I need to properly use NDK GDB?
Jun 26 19:35:38 <wHiTeHaT44> can getStringArray(); only be used for files within the apk?
Jun 26 19:36:06 <g00s> i can't even find the quote anymore
Jun 26 19:36:52 <ctate> wHiTeHaT44: Resources.getStringArray() only returns string resources that were bundled into the apk, yes
Jun 26 19:37:00 <ctate> (as is true of all resources APIs)
Jun 26 19:37:21 <wHiTeHaT44> bah, then i never going to figure it out i think
Jun 26 19:37:33 <ctate> what is it you want to do?
Jun 26 19:38:04 <wHiTeHaT44> i made a question for it on StackOverflow , can i share the link?
Jun 26 19:38:24 <ctate> sure
Jun 26 19:38:33 <wHiTeHaT44> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11181470/get-dom-xml-item-as-string-and-use-as-array
Jun 26 19:39:26 <lov> are you trying to inspect your own xml resources?
Jun 26 19:39:34 <lov> They're generally compiled to an intermediate bytecode, they don't live as xml...
Jun 26 19:40:08 <lov> or maybe I'm misunderstanding
Jun 26 19:40:41 <jerry_l>  g00s: might be like desined for 4.0+ and slightly modifided to be compatible with 2.0-2.4 but left out 3.0 because:
Jun 26 19:41:00 <jerry_l> On February 22, 2011, the Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) SDK – the first tablet-only Android  update – was released, based on Linux
Jun 26 19:41:29 <wHiTeHaT44> well i simply want to nodevalues i call as array result in the CountDownTimer function
Jun 26 19:42:17 <wHiTeHaT44> in the last comment i made i also pointed to a tutorial what might be easyer and better to use
Jun 26 19:42:30 <g00s> ctate: so when you guys mow the lawn, do you have to put all the beans back in the container and then respill them when mowing is done ?
Jun 26 19:42:40 <wHiTeHaT44> lol
Jun 26 19:42:55 <ctate> nah
Jun 26 19:43:07 <g00s> are the beans little robots that mow the lawn ?
Jun 26 19:43:09 <g00s> :D
Jun 26 19:43:12 <ctate> but because this is google we use several tens of thousands of single-blade "mowers" in parallel
Jun 26 19:43:57 <g00s> i'm surprised the froyo hasn't melted yet too. a magical place indeed
Jun 26 19:47:57 <johnnyonflame> How can I clear my logcat without a reboot?
Jun 26 19:48:50 <wHiTeHaT44> theres an app for that
Jun 26 19:50:29 <Chronax> Is there a way to force the title not to ellipses at the end for ActionBarSherlock? I've got a title that should clearly fit in the amount of space, but it's getting cut off with the ellipses at the end.
Jun 26 19:54:12 <MontyCarleau> Anyone done any JNI or NDK sensor work?
Jun 26 19:57:00 <asterisk-Tester> johnnyonflame: if ur using eclipse, there is a button on the right "Clear Log"
Jun 26 19:57:26 <sukramTM> Hello, I have problems with chars like öüä, I parse a text file with InputStreamReader, the file is UTF-8 coded but when i start the app with the emulator, i get chars like a white ? with a black background
Jun 26 19:59:11 <langkid1> I'm back
Jun 26 19:59:18 <langkid1> Don't panic (TM)
Jun 26 19:59:25 <langkid1> ...
Jun 26 19:59:32 <langkid1> Wrong channel again!
Jun 26 19:59:37 * langkid1 is embarrassed
Jun 26 19:59:39 <Utopiah> fail.
Jun 26 20:00:03 <robb_www> where is this awesome channel we are hearing so much about?
Jun 26 20:00:17 <jerry_l> (tm) from where? thats a god one.
Jun 26 20:00:22 <langkid1> #werewolf it's +m while a game is playing
Jun 26 20:00:28 <frojnd> I have a project that uses Android 3.0 SDK. Is it possible to made it work with 2.2 SDK?
Jun 26 20:00:30 <ctate> johnnyonflame:  you can't.  why would you even want to?
Jun 26 20:00:53 <langkid1> I'm gonna detach with ZNC before I do anything stupid again
Jun 26 20:01:22 <frojnd> The reason I'm asking is because I can't test it on my phone thas has 2.2 android version...
Jun 26 20:01:58 <ctate> just set up a 2.2 AVD and test it with that
Jun 26 20:02:05 <jerry_l>  frojnd: it might just work for 2.2
Jun 26 20:02:08 <mdkess> I have a ListView where each row contains a ProgressBar (each row represents a task, for example a file transfer). As the task is completed in a background thread, I want to redraw the ProgressBars for those rows - what is the recommended way to do this?
Jun 26 20:02:10 <frojnd> ctate: I tried, it won't start
Jun 26 20:02:32 <MontyCarleau> frojnd: Sounds like you have some debugging to do.
Jun 26 20:02:59 <frojnd> I suck at debugging
Jun 26 20:03:01 <jerry_l>  frojnd: welcoome to the club...
Jun 26 20:03:16 <aca20031> the rotation matrix...is that just the 3 vectors X Y and Z or is there somewher ei can learn amor eabout what it represents?
Jun 26 20:03:40 <ctate> as long as your app does not target 3.0 or higher it will at least *try* to run on 2.2
Jun 26 20:03:46 <MontyCarleau> aca20031: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix#In_three_dimensions
Jun 26 20:03:58 <ctate> "won't start" can mean a lot of things.  What's the failure?  What error messages show in the log?
Jun 26 20:04:03 <jerry_l>  frojnd: how complex is the app? just rebuild it for 2.0?
Jun 26 20:04:14 <mdkess> This is my first attempt at it, which failed: http://stackoverflow.com/q/11200299/31455
Jun 26 20:04:24 <frojnd> jerry_l: it's not that complex
Jun 26 20:05:23 <ctate> frojnd:  to try to run on 2.2, teh app needs to define a targetSdkVersion of not more than 8
Jun 26 20:05:27 <ctate> (API 8 being Android 2.2)
Jun 26 20:05:32 <birbeck> ctate: can i pm you?
Jun 26 20:05:37 <ctate> yeah birbeck
Jun 26 20:05:52 <jerry_l> if required important.. then i would just make another and add froyo to its apk name.
Jun 26 20:06:07 <ctate> ack noooo
Jun 26 20:06:26 <ctate> make the app to run on both properly; don't screw with separate apps for each platform release
Jun 26 20:06:29 <ctate> that way lies madness.
Jun 26 20:07:30 <jerry_l> well yes but (3:03:25 PM) frojnd: I suck at debugging.
Jun 26 20:07:34 <frojnd> ctate: [2012-06-26 22:07:02 - And_GameActivity] ERROR: Application requires API version 11. Device API version is 8 (Android 2.2). <-that's what I get when I try to open it with 2.2
Jun 26 20:07:52 <JakeWharton> set minSdkVersion lower
Jun 26 20:07:55 <ctate> that means your app is saying it can only run on API 11 or later
Jun 26 20:07:58 <ctate> set your minSdkVersion to 8
Jun 26 20:08:00 <jerry_l> version is 8
Jun 26 20:08:01 <ctate> in the manifest
Jun 26 20:09:51 <ctate> also please do read the docs on this stuff, notably http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html#ApiLevels
Jun 26 20:10:20 <frojnd> ctate: tnx. It starts but when I click play it crashes.
Jun 26 20:11:17 <ctate> welcome to debugging.
Jun 26 20:11:27 <ctate> why does it crash?  what does hte log say?
Jun 26 20:11:35 <frojnd> I've logCat
Jun 26 20:12:13 <jerry_l> if required important.. then i would just make another and add froyo to its apk name.
Jun 26 20:12:15 <frojnd> oh wait maybe I should run debug first
Jun 26 20:12:27 <lov> frojnd: are there any red lines in logcat?
Jun 26 20:12:35 <frojnd> lov: yeah a bunch
Jun 26 20:12:43 <lov> that is a stacktrace!
Jun 26 20:12:47 <lov> Why don't you read what they say, or pastebin them?
Jun 26 20:12:58 <lov> one of them might even be a line of code in your own app!
Jun 26 20:13:21 <frojnd> http://pastebin.com/M7Y942hV
Jun 26 20:13:53 <jerry_l> some people on the android market say some apps wornt work for them... IN A CRITICAL  environment on multiple devices i would make multiples..
Jun 26 20:14:01 <lov> I want you to look at that.
Jun 26 20:15:04 <jerry_l> i have found that some of the RED ones are my SPelliNG not be cased correctly.
Jun 26 20:15:10 <frojnd> lov: more readable http://sprunge.us/JbOM
Jun 26 20:15:25 <lov> okey doke.
Jun 26 20:15:36 <lov> So, you see the stacktrace. See some lines in there that are from your own app?
Jun 26 20:15:49 <ctate> That explains quite directly why your app is crashing.
Jun 26 20:15:49 <lov> (say, the SpaceInvader class) ?
Jun 26 20:16:12 <lov> it looks like you're exhausting all of the memory
Jun 26 20:16:19 <lov> if you can't allocate a 200k bitmap, then you're pretty much out
Jun 26 20:16:25 <uni4dfx> How do I convince ScrollView to allow elastic scrolling over the edge (or whatever that feature is called)?
Jun 26 20:16:28 <lov> you're probably somehow leaking memory
Jun 26 20:16:42 <frojnd> lov: so I must allocate more memory to AVD?
Jun 26 20:16:46 <lov> no.
Jun 26 20:16:54 <ctate> no.  it means your app must use less memory.
Jun 26 20:16:54 <lov> that won't help; your app gets 32MB of stack to work with.
Jun 26 20:17:02 <ctate> lov:  heap, not stack.
Jun 26 20:17:04 <wongk> heap :P
Jun 26 20:17:07 <lov> heap
Jun 26 20:17:12 <lov> thanks
Jun 26 20:18:00 <wongk> i have heard a number of issues with Bitmaps not being recycled/disposed of fast enough when changing out what is displayed on screen
Jun 26 20:18:45 <ctate> look at the dalvik message that precede this one.  it's pretty clear that it's just allocating the world.
Jun 26 20:18:49 <frojnd> if I understand this correctly.. AVD 3.0 can handle this but AVD 2.2 can't because the game is too big?
Jun 26 20:19:12 <ctate> frojnd:  devices that run android 3 (i.e. large-screen tablets) get larger RAM provisions per application than earlier/smaller devices do.
Jun 26 20:19:21 <frojnd> aha
Jun 26 20:19:23 <ctate> and that is exactly it: you are using too much ram.
Jun 26 20:19:26 <frojnd> that explains it
Jun 26 20:20:00 <ctate> i believe it's something ont he order of 32 MB of heap on android 2.2 devices, 48 mb on 3.0
Jun 26 20:20:17 <ctate> but in general devices with smaller screens may have lower maximum ram allotments
Jun 26 20:20:26 <wongk> that is configurable on some roms, and device dependent
Jun 26 20:20:45 <frojnd> 2.3 has also 32MB?
Jun 26 20:22:54 <ctate> i said "in general".  and yes, in general 2.3 is also 32 mb
Jun 26 20:23:36 <lov> frojnd: you might want to use a profiler of some kind to see where all of your memory is going to
Jun 26 20:23:45 <lov> or just see if you're making a boatload of bitmaps but never calling recycle
Jun 26 20:24:14 <Waynes> I solved my question from some hours ago: To load binary data in native code it is easy to convert the binary data to a char array and use that, it also is compressed when sitting in the apk file.
Jun 26 20:24:48 <frojnd> lov can I pm you?
Jun 26 20:25:03 <lov> please don't.
Jun 26 20:25:29 <tnzr> is there a special method for redrawing a canvas from within a view?
Jun 26 20:25:51 <ctate> onDraw()?  :)
Jun 26 20:25:52 <canvs2321> invalidate?
Jun 26 20:25:56 <tnzr> I can't seem to get this view to redraw (or the canvas contained therein) except for when I navigate to a different fragment and come back to it
Jun 26 20:26:17 <tnzr> ctate, canvs2321: neither of those seem to do the trick
Jun 26 20:26:19 <ctate> it doesn't redraw when invalidated?  hunh
Jun 26 20:26:22 <tnzr> i've tried postInvalidate() too
Jun 26 20:26:24 <herriojr> just a sanity check before I implement something: if I am using a ContentProvider + SQLiteOpenHelper and not allowing access by other applications, the only reason I could ever get a SQLiteDiskIOException is if the database is corrupted, or if thie file system is filled, correct?
Jun 26 20:26:50 <ctate> herriojr:  you'll see those if you delete the db file out from under open connections, fwiw
Jun 26 20:26:56 <tnzr> ctate: maybe the View is, but the canvas isn't.. and the View's onDraw() method has the calls to the canvas' drawBitmap() methods
Jun 26 20:27:08 <herriojr> ctate: which I won't be doing, since I don't delete the db file :P
Jun 26 20:27:32 <AkeemBoy>  /quit
Jun 26 20:28:55 <herriojr> my plan is on an SQLiteDiskIOException is to check disk space availability, and if it is low, prompt the user to delete some stuff, if I can't create a file, same thing, then after these checks, delete the database and start over (all done within SQLiteOpenHelper.getReadableDatabase() and SQLiteOpenHelper.getWritableDatabase())
Jun 26 20:29:01 <canvs2321> tnzr maybe through in some Log calls throughout ur code and find what isn't getting called and then find why
Jun 26 20:29:36 <canvs2321> or pastebin some code
Jun 26 20:30:12 <herriojr> minus the prompting the user of course, this needs to be done in whatever activity is calling it
Jun 26 20:30:24 <SP1> hi all
Jun 26 20:30:33 <g00s> herriojr: i'm honestly surprised you have run into this problem
Jun 26 20:30:35 <SP1> i need help with a sms quandry ok?
Jun 26 20:30:48 <SP1> i dont know if i need it made up ior is there one to do what i need
Jun 26 20:30:53 <herriojr> I am too
Jun 26 20:31:01 <tnzr> canvs2321: ok, I'll try that
Jun 26 20:31:14 <SP1> i wanna have a button or something on homescreen that when pressed auto tests google sms with weather 98499
Jun 26 20:31:16 <herriojr> I'm really thinking that we tend to have the users who use up a lot of space on their disk
Jun 26 20:31:29 <SP1> i hope you all can help me achieve this
Jun 26 20:31:33 <herriojr> in which case, I do see other issues such as failure to create some folders
Jun 26 20:32:11 <lov> SP1: Learn how to create Widgets.
Jun 26 20:32:29 <lov> You are cordially invited to go to d.android.com and do some research.
Jun 26 20:32:30 <SP1> i dont even understand programming
Jun 26 20:32:36 <lov> ...
Jun 26 20:32:41 <lov> then perhaps you should work on that one first.
Jun 26 20:32:41 <birbeck> lov: that is actually against google apis tos
Jun 26 20:32:43 <lov> Please try #java
Jun 26 20:32:49 <lov> birbeck: what is?
Jun 26 20:32:53 <SP1> k
Jun 26 20:32:55 <lov> research?
Jun 26 20:33:02 <birbeck> using the weather api for anything but igoogle
Jun 26 20:33:10 * lov shrugs
Jun 26 20:33:20 <lov> I assumed that there was some SMS number he wanted to send a message to
Jun 26 20:33:31 <SP1> i gho its google sms
Jun 26 20:33:53 <lov> ....
Jun 26 20:33:53 <birbeck> ah, thats different
Jun 26 20:33:53 <SP1> 466453 = google sms
Jun 26 20:34:00 <lov> right.
Jun 26 20:34:05 <lov> learn java first, then learn android.
Jun 26 20:34:09 <lov> Please go to #java
Jun 26 20:34:26 <SP1> i posted in their but no answer yet
Jun 26 20:34:33 <birbeck> just press the voice action button on the search widget and say 'weather 98499'
Jun 26 20:34:40 <lov> did you post "I need to learn how to program" or "hay guys how to android"
Jun 26 20:34:44 <lov> because they probably ignored the latter
Jun 26 20:35:35 <SP1> text* not test
Jun 26 20:35:35 <birbeck> lov: or said try #android-dev
Jun 26 20:35:44 <SP1> oops
Jun 26 20:36:17 <SP1> this is #abndroid-dev here
Jun 26 20:36:22 <SP1> #android-dev i meant
Jun 26 20:36:39 <g00s> herriojr: i guess in your prompt you could suggest sending some apps to external storage. seems kinda cheesy though
Jun 26 20:37:27 <g00s> that just doesn't sound right either
Jun 26 20:37:40 <wongk> http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/android-users-are-a-bunch-of-uneducated-degenerates-r920
Jun 26 20:38:37 <lov> SP1: Yes, this is #android-dev. Knowing Java is a pre-requisite to developing Android.
Jun 26 20:38:50 <SP1> was told in java to ask here
Jun 26 20:39:06 <lov> go back to #java, tell them that you don't know java at all, and would like help learning
Jun 26 20:39:15 <SP1> <javabot> SP1, android is Google's OS based on Linux and a non-Java-bytecode Virtual Machine. See http://developer.android.com/ . Start in #android-dev if you have android development questions.
Jun 26 20:39:27 <lov> Yeah, they just hear the word "android" and spit that out.
Jun 26 20:39:44 <lov> Do you know Java? If yes, then we'll help you out. If no, then you need to go back to #java and learn java (don't mention android)
Jun 26 20:39:47 <SP1> took a while to get that re[ply
Jun 26 20:39:50 <wongk> they even have a factoid :P
Jun 26 20:40:22 <MontyCarleau> Yeah, don't mess with Cheeser.
Jun 26 20:40:27 <SP1> lov?
Jun 26 20:40:34 <SP1> im my post i didnt say android at all
Jun 26 20:40:45 <SP1> they assumed
Jun 26 20:40:46 <g00s> wongk: there could be some truth to it. most people i know who have android did not specifically seek out android phones. they went to a carrier store and 'came out with one'. if they didn't put any effort into knowing what they wanted, the probably won't put much effort into figuring it out either. purely anecdotal …
Jun 26 20:40:47 * lov shrugs
Jun 26 20:40:52 <elegos> where's located the Andorid's fstab file? And what's its name? THanks
Jun 26 20:40:54 <SP1> weird
Jun 26 20:40:54 <lov> tell them that you're asking for general java help.
Jun 26 20:41:12 <SP1> ill try hang on
Jun 26 20:41:27 <wongk> g00s: that's not my experience... but that was a minor point in the original article
Jun 26 20:41:50 <wongk> the whole "you don't wifi, you don't know how to internet" was completely idiotic
Jun 26 20:43:24 <wongk> i provide wifi from my phone more often than i consume it :P
Jun 26 20:43:30 <SP1> no help getting them to work for android isnt a concern for this channel @cheeser said lov
Jun 26 20:43:48 <SP1> looks like i might bwe out of luck
Jun 26 20:44:23 <uni4dfx> Is it just me or does ScrollView not have overscrolling by default?
Jun 26 20:44:32 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: it doesn't
Jun 26 20:45:19 <uni4dfx> MDijkstra Is there a way to simply enable it (i know PreferenceScreen has it) or do i have to code it manually?
Jun 26 20:45:28 <MDijkstra> preferencescreen?
Jun 26 20:45:58 <MDijkstra> my settings screen certainly doesn't have it
Jun 26 20:46:04 <MDijkstra> maybe it's your custom rom
Jun 26 20:46:34 <MontyCarleau> uni4dfx: What do you mean by over scrolling?
Jun 26 20:46:37 <MDijkstra> ICS and gingerbread have this blue/yellow glow as you reach the end of a scrollview
Jun 26 20:46:43 <MDijkstra> but not 'overscrolling'
Jun 26 20:46:58 <uni4dfx> MontyCarleau The elastic effect you get when you push the scroll over the edge
Jun 26 20:47:09 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: no standard version of android has that
Jun 26 20:47:10 <Mavrik> yeah, "overscroll" is not an Android pattern
Jun 26 20:47:21 <Mavrik> either someone was too zealous in porting iOS stuff
Jun 26 20:47:24 <MDijkstra> some versions of CM have it, though
Jun 26 20:47:26 <uni4dfx> Interesting. I had no idea, because mine has it almost everywhere.
Jun 26 20:47:31 <Mavrik> or your phone manufacturer modded too much
Jun 26 20:47:48 <wongk> overscrolling is... not good
Jun 26 20:47:49 <jasta> Mavrik: actually, that is called overscrolling internally
Jun 26 20:48:18 <jasta> that glow effect that is in ICS i mean.  it is called overscrolling, enabled by the OverScroller
Jun 26 20:48:24 <SP1> thanks again lov
Jun 26 20:48:50 <ctate> the elastic effect is something that iOS does, iirc.
Jun 26 20:49:07 <MDijkstra> yeah
Jun 26 20:49:16 <cretin45> and samsung and htc implemented and got sued
Jun 26 20:49:34 <uni4dfx> I don't even get the glow effect or anything when I use a custom ScrollView
Jun 26 20:49:46 <wongk> fortunately my HTC phone doesn't do that
Jun 26 20:49:48 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: which version of android? which phone?
Jun 26 20:50:16 <uni4dfx> MDijkstra SGS2, 2.3.3
Jun 26 20:50:27 <AnTo> Hello
Jun 26 20:50:50 <g00s> somebody got sued for overscrolling?
Jun 26 20:50:54 <uni4dfx> MDijkstra I mean I do get this elastic effect everywhere, except in my own app -_-
Jun 26 20:51:05 * g00s checks to see if there is a way to leave this planet
Jun 26 20:51:13 <MDijkstra> I didn't know touchwiz had it
Jun 26 20:51:15 <herriojr> g00s: yeah, I don't think it sounds right either, but I don't know what to do at this point since I am completely unable to repro
Jun 26 20:51:15 <cretin45> g00s: bouncy lists.. yes
Jun 26 20:51:38 <herriojr> g00s: I've tried migration from multiple versions and phones
Jun 26 20:51:43 <cretin45> apple has a patent on UI
Jun 26 20:51:52 <AnTo> Hello Guys ?
Jun 26 20:52:23 <cretin45> no guys here
Jun 26 20:52:29 <wHiTeHaT44> Argh i just managed to see  all items each in a single array... bah
Jun 26 20:52:33 <ctate> "Ask your question, dont' ask to ask" -- see the channel topic :)
Jun 26 20:52:35 <g00s> only cretins :)
Jun 26 20:52:46 <ctate> g00s: what if you're a guy from Crete?
Jun 26 20:52:50 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7201907/android-listviews-bounce-to-scrollview
Jun 26 20:52:51 <g00s> :O
Jun 26 20:54:49 <AnTo> i am looking for a developer for a job (paid)
Jun 26 20:54:51 <AnTo> if any
Jun 26 20:54:57 <uni4dfx> MDijkstra I see, It's a Samsung thing. Still I'm baffled at why it doesn't work in my app by default.
Jun 26 20:54:59 <wHiTeHaT44> MDijkstra , i'm still working on the project you helped me with a month ago
Jun 26 20:55:21 <wongk> AnTo: read the topic
Jun 26 20:55:59 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: because samsung never intended it to be accessible to developers
Jun 26 20:56:42 <MDijkstra> uni4dfx: ie, blame samsung for providing a shitty custom android layer
Jun 26 20:56:44 <MontyCarleau> Anyone know if there's a way to boost a processes priority?
Jun 26 20:56:52 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: in which sense?
Jun 26 20:57:10 <MDijkstra> OOM killer priority? CPU?
Jun 26 20:57:51 <MDijkstra> AnTo: see the other thing in the topic
Jun 26 20:57:52 <MontyCarleau> CPU/network - I want events on a particular process/thread to be handled immediately
Jun 26 20:58:12 <badfish129> anyone know why I'd be getting a verifyerror when trying to access a library method from a service (works fine from the main activity)
Jun 26 20:58:38 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: well, probably not, and even if you could
Jun 26 20:58:45 <MDijkstra> you couldn't really rely on it anyway
Jun 26 20:59:05 <MDijkstra> a myriad of device configurations, the linux kernel gets in the way
Jun 26 20:59:06 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: Specifically I have a thread that acts as client in a client-server setup and I'm seeing strange variance with regard to latency.
Jun 26 20:59:19 <ctate> profile it
Jun 26 20:59:58 <tnzr> hargh
Jun 26 21:00:02 <ctate> also you might add a little lightweight logging to get a feel for where exactly the latencies are being incurred
Jun 26 21:01:03 <MontyCarleau> ctate: I'm putting together a profiling setup now – but in the microsecond range, would you think that the profiling itself would be polluting the measurements to a problematic degree?
Jun 26 21:01:25 <ctate> *microsecond*?
Jun 26 21:01:42 <ctate> what exactly are you trying to do?
Jun 26 21:01:46 <MontyCarleau> Sorry - millisecond.
Jun 26 21:02:06 <MontyCarleau> (I'm just using nanoTime so that unit is in my head)
Jun 26 21:02:07 <ctate> note that on any linux machine without special configurations you will not get millisecond guarantees
Jun 26 21:02:14 <ctate> you may not even get 10 ms guarantees
Jun 26 21:02:22 <tnzr> ok this is weird
Jun 26 21:02:24 <ctate> even on desktop scale hw
Jun 26 21:02:57 <ctate> now, that being said, it's totally possible [for example] to write a game on an Android device that draws at a solid 60 fpss
Jun 26 21:03:02 <tnzr> invalidate() is getting me into the onDraw() method of the view I want to redraw, but the calls to the canvas's drawBitmap() methods don't seem to be doing anything
Jun 26 21:03:03 <MontyCarleau> ctate: I'm seeing fluctuation between 175 and 1ms - I'm expecting something in the sub-20 range.  This is communication on a LAN wifi network.
Jun 26 21:03:03 <ctate> which is what, 16 ms per frame?
Jun 26 21:03:32 <elegos> how can /proc/mtd empty, but having in /dev/block mmcblk's?
Jun 26 21:03:38 <ctate> 175 ms is forever, i agree.  :)  time to profile it and see where exactly you're spending all that time.
Jun 26 21:03:44 <ctate> TraceView is yor frend™.
Jun 26 21:03:44 <elegos> be empty*
Jun 26 21:03:47 <wHiTeHaT44> MDijkstra  do you have a minute...
Jun 26 21:04:36 <cretin45> elegos: you might get an answer in #cyanogenmod-dev
Jun 26 21:04:47 <elegos> ok thanks
Jun 26 21:09:20 <JaredCE> after you click a button, how can you reset focus to a specific edittext?
Jun 26 21:11:38 <XXCoder> isnt there something like somecontrol.takeFocus() or something
Jun 26 21:11:45 <XXCoder> or setFocus()
Jun 26 21:12:08 <JaredCE> theres requestFocus
Jun 26 21:12:53 <JaredCE> but it doesn't seem to work after a button has been pressed
Jun 26 21:14:29 <XXCoder> oh dunno
Jun 26 21:15:29 <ctate> hm, i'd think it should.
Jun 26 21:18:55 <JaredCE> oops yeah it does
Jun 26 21:19:15 <ctate> :)
Jun 26 21:19:29 <XXCoder> :) nice
Jun 26 21:19:48 <XXCoder> im doing the boring work on re-adding plugins into new eclipse
Jun 26 21:20:01 <XXCoder> gonna find versioning system so i can use it too
Jun 26 21:23:31 <ctate> http://www.slashgear.com/android-jelly-bean-statue-appears-at-googleplex-26235738/
Jun 26 21:23:49 <zinx> CM10!
Jun 26 21:25:53 <ctate> zinx:  yeah i saw the CM9-RC1 announcement with a little bemusement
Jun 26 21:28:48 <herriojr> isn't google io this week?
Jun 26 21:29:19 <zinx> i don't bother keeping up with that, i'll never have the money or be able to get my ticket in the 5min window when they're available anyway ;)
Jun 26 21:29:25 <herriojr> I've missed it the last couple of years
Jun 26 21:30:41 <g00s> ctate: on this page https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions#android … do you know why the 3rd day, sessions don't have cameras ?
Jun 26 21:30:49 <g00s> is the 3rd day not being recorded live ?
Jun 26 21:31:03 <ctate> i do not know.
Jun 26 21:31:34 <g00s> actually, i'm just guessing what the camera means. when you click on more details it doesn't say 'recorded live' or anything on any of the sessions
Jun 26 21:42:02 <XXCoder> uggh cant find version control
Jun 26 21:42:08 <XXCoder> metro something
Jun 26 21:43:54 <XXCoder> oh mercurial
Jun 26 21:44:08 <MontyCarleau> XXCoder: Use Git with the Eclipse EGit plugin.
Jun 26 21:44:31 <XXCoder> I already use mercurial with bunch of parts
Jun 26 21:44:39 <XXCoder> *projects
Jun 26 21:49:15 <g00s> shit https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/351
Jun 26 21:49:36 <g00s> so do i have to do something to ViewPager or FragmentManager to fix this ?
Jun 26 21:50:15 <Mintoris> If i create a jar file that has other jar files as dependancies, do all the jars get included in the jar that I create?
Jun 26 21:50:40 <g00s> Mintoris: jars don't contain jars first off
Jun 26 21:50:50 <Mintoris> hmm, what i thought
Jun 26 21:55:02 <etuleu> is there any way to ask for square images from the camera?
Jun 26 21:55:26 <calamari> hi. This image describes the Activity lifecycle: http://developer.android.com/images/activity_lifecycle.png  When a physical keyboard is opened/closed, causing an orientation change, it seems to reset my application. I'm wondering, is that process containable on this diagram, and if so, what would it look like?
Jun 26 21:56:13 <alankila> calamari: it is already in the diagram
Jun 26 21:56:28 <alankila> what happens is the process to onDestroy and then replacing a new one via onCreate
Jun 26 21:56:50 * alankila is on tautological mood again
Jun 26 21:57:20 <XXCoder> alankila: there is apps that seems to not reset on orention change
Jun 26 21:57:33 <XXCoder> do they just cancel ondestroy if its roation related?
Jun 26 21:57:50 <calamari> XXCoder: well, if you disable orientation changes by forceing an orientation, it doesn't happen
Jun 26 21:57:54 <alankila> they may use the manifest attributes configChanges
Jun 26 21:58:00 <calamari> *forcing
Jun 26 21:58:20 <alankila> it is possible to prevent activity's replace for orientation and hardware keyboard adding this way
Jun 26 21:58:55 <calamari> alankila: thank you very much
Jun 26 22:07:08 <XXCoder> dammit'
Jun 26 22:07:15 <XXCoder> forgot how to make new virtual android device
Jun 26 22:07:44 <XXCoder> found it
Jun 26 22:09:03 <Notevision> Does anyone know why, on Google Play, it shows that my app has: "0 total user installs
Jun 26 22:09:04 <Notevision> 0 active device installs " ? I know for a fact that people have bought AND installed my app since yesterday, so what's the scoop? It even shows my the order logs in my google merchant account :P
Jun 26 22:09:28 <Notevision> me*
Jun 26 22:09:47 <XXCoder> Notevision: active installs : actual install on device
Jun 26 22:09:54 <XXCoder> people can buy then dont install
Jun 26 22:10:06 <XXCoder> so maybe uninstalled
Jun 26 22:10:11 <XXCoder> *or
Jun 26 22:11:12 <etuleu> is there a way to ask the Camera app to default to front facing camera if available?
Jun 26 22:15:13 <jerry_l> i can not find a simple eclipse sqlite tutorial....
Jun 26 22:15:28 <g00s> what does eclipse have to do with sqlite :P
Jun 26 22:15:49 <jerry_l> so far the ones i find assume you know whaty they are talking about when skipping steps...
Jun 26 22:16:11 <herriojr> for phones that released with 2.2 what was the average size of /data? (probably a hard question to answer)
Jun 26 22:16:17 <jerry_l> i am using eclipse for apps.
Jun 26 22:16:21 <jerry_l> noobe
Jun 26 22:19:16 <g00s> this seems like a really careless bug n google's part. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=29472
Jun 26 22:21:07 <uni4dfx> MDijkstra I figured out the overscroll thing. I just had to use ListView instead of LinearLayout and it works.
Jun 26 22:21:59 <beer> is it normal for there to be a delay between registering a merchant account and google play store dev dashboard updating to allow payed apps?
Jun 26 22:24:24 <frojnd> I have a very odd problem. I've made an rar archive of my project. I've extracted this rar on another computer. I've done file -> new android project -> create project from existing source, chcked that I've chosend Google APIs [android 2.2] min sdk version 6, and I get this error: AndroidManifes.xml missing! Even though I can see it there if I browse to the project...
Jun 26 22:24:29 <frojnd> any ideas?
Jun 26 22:27:43 <frojnd> aha found it. I had to change default project path in eclipse
Jun 26 22:30:25 <Notevision> 0 active device installs " ? I know for a fact that people have bought AND installed my app since yesterday, so what's the scoop? It even shows my the order logs in my google merchant account :P
Jun 26 22:31:45 <beer> Notevision: how long has your app been there?
Jun 26 22:32:05 <g00s> Notevision: give it 24 hours
Jun 26 22:32:14 <beer> Notevision: err could I ask you a question about when you were setting up your merchant account?
Jun 26 22:33:13 <beer> is it normal for there to be a delay between registering a merchant account and google play store dev dashboard updating to allow payed apps?
Jun 26 22:35:16 <MontyCarleau> ctate: Unfortunately, tracing is not saving any lives today.  Any experience with different thread types (AsyncTask, Handler, Runnable) being given different priority?  I'm wondering if the messages are arriving speedily, but not being handed-off to my listener.
Jun 26 22:35:56 <ctate> AsyncTask runs things as background priority by default, iirc
Jun 26 22:36:09 <ctate> Handler and Runnable are not threads
Jun 26 22:40:29 <jerry_l> i have downloaded some examples for eclipse off the internet and can not manage to get them into eclipse yet.
Jun 26 22:41:44 <XXCoder> wow
Jun 26 22:41:48 <XXCoder> ics emulation sucks'
Jun 26 22:42:04 <MontyCarleau> ctate: Sorry - disconnected, had you said anything after Runnable not spawning new threads?
Jun 26 22:42:14 <jerry_l> i tried making a folder named example1 and copied all the contents into it and opend eclipse and said that example1 is my workspace . no luck yet tried a few times yesterday with different files/examples. import looks like only for that prohject?
Jun 26 22:42:17 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: yes, same with handler
Jun 26 22:42:26 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: handler == post messages on an event loop
Jun 26 22:42:37 <ctate> MontyCarleau: no, i didn't say anything more
Jun 26 22:42:56 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: runnable == something you can run, ie a piece of code encapsulated in an object
Jun 26 22:43:06 <ctate> when you profile it, what does it show happening during the high-latency events?
Jun 26 22:45:42 <MontyCarleau> ctate: The scenario is that a server (embedded in the app) communicates with a client on the same wifi network.  So the problem is that the latency varies wildly, despite network conditions being good (4~6ms).  But the app doesn't do much beside ping, so it's looking to me like the issue is in how quickly the app is notified.
Jun 26 22:49:06 <ctate> log at the moment you get the pings
Jun 26 22:49:19 <MDijkstra> also, if you can
Jun 26 22:49:24 <MDijkstra> try from an adb shell
Jun 26 22:49:30 <ctate> it's hard to imagine 100+ ms latencies being introduced strictly by intra-application message passing
Jun 26 22:49:46 <MDijkstra> see if you're also getting this latency from a normal ping command
Jun 26 22:50:16 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: Normal ping is 4-6ms.
Jun 26 22:50:27 <MDijkstra> from the android device or from another?
Jun 26 22:51:29 <MontyCarleau> I just meant network IO.  I'd have to setup a means of pinging, since Android (this one, at least) doesn't respond to pings, by default.
Jun 26 22:51:53 <MDijkstra> yeah, you could ping the server with a small C program
Jun 26 22:52:17 <MontyCarleau> So, if you were running an embedded server, would you run it as a service on its own thread?  I'm thinking that some phantom UI changes could be getting in the way.
Jun 26 22:52:31 <MDijkstra> erm
Jun 26 22:53:07 <MDijkstra> you are explicitly creating a background thread in the service right?
Jun 26 22:53:40 <Notevision> Well beer, I don't believe you can change it from a "Free" app to a "Paid" app, once you make it free, it's free forever.
Jun 26 22:53:44 <MontyCarleau> Currently, it's just a java Thread.
Jun 26 22:54:14 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: so, it's not actually an android service
Jun 26 22:54:25 <MDijkstra> but rather a background thread spawned from an activity
Jun 26 22:54:38 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: Right.
Jun 26 22:55:01 <MDijkstra> should be alright though
Jun 26 22:55:16 <XXCoder> ugh
Jun 26 22:55:23 <MDijkstra> hard to tell what's wrong without a way to exclude certain things
Jun 26 22:55:31 <XXCoder> node battle looks different in ics. not in good way
Jun 26 22:55:42 <MDijkstra> if this were a hardware problem I'd start swapping components ;)
Jun 26 22:55:53 <XXCoder> I wonder why line thickness < 1 is broken
Jun 26 22:57:18 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: Just to be explicit, I'm using the "ServerThread implements Runnable" approach rather than "ServerThread extends Thread" - but that's the preferable way to do it, at least in regular Java.
Jun 26 22:57:40 <MDijkstra> yeah, single inheritance and all
Jun 26 22:57:42 <Notevision> How long would it take for an app to actual show how many downloads it has on Google Play? I believe at least 6 people have downloaded my free lite version so far, and 2 people have bought my paid version. Anyone here know?
Jun 26 22:58:21 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: but I kind of doubt android is to blame here
Jun 26 22:58:31 <chiuki> check your google merchant account. the transactions for the paid app shows up pretty quickly
Jun 26 22:58:36 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: So, implementing this way, could UI handling get in the way?
Jun 26 22:58:38 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: especially since you're completely bypassing the android stuff
Jun 26 22:59:30 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: as long as you're doing new Thread(yourRunnable).start();
Jun 26 22:59:54 <MDijkstra> then you should be running pretty much independently from everything android manages
Jun 26 23:00:55 <MDijkstra> if that's the case, I'd start looking at other factors
Jun 26 23:01:06 <MDijkstra> the android device doing IO every second or so
Jun 26 23:01:12 <MDijkstra> kernel buffering
Jun 26 23:01:17 <MDijkstra> TCP being a pain
Jun 26 23:03:20 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: I think in my case it's MyRunnable.run(), but yeah that's occurring.  Buffering would be a good thought, but I wouldn't be sure how to accelerate its clearing.
Jun 26 23:04:52 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: Thread start is called, just on an enclosing thread.
Jun 26 23:05:29 <MDijkstra> MontyCarleau: that's wrong
Jun 26 23:05:41 <MDijkstra> MyRunnable.run() doesn't actually spawn a new thread
Jun 26 23:05:55 <MDijkstra> it just runs the runnable as if it were a method call
Jun 26 23:06:30 <MDijkstra> but it's bedtime for me, good luck
Jun 26 23:06:49 <MontyCarleau> MDijkstra: I appreciate the help
Jun 26 23:07:03 <fabiobik> hi guys
Jun 26 23:07:06 <jayd16> hmmm, how do you add a callback to a DialogFragment?  AFAIK, you can't easily bundle the callback, so you can't just set it expect it to stay there, right?
Jun 26 23:07:49 <fabiobik> im developing an app and debugging on device. on colsole says the installation was sucessfull but i dont see the app on menu
Jun 26 23:07:57 <fabiobik> what could be the problem?
Jun 26 23:08:34 <RxDx> please, how can I break a line on a *.xml layout file?
Jun 26 23:12:41 <Notevision> I'm not talking about my google merchant account. I'm asking how long it takes for the downloads for my app to show up on the app's homepage on Google Play? Like for example, some apps would say: "INSTALLS: 1-10" "INSTALLS: 1,000,000 - 5,000,000" etc... How long does it take for that to show up on the homepage?
Jun 26 23:15:53 <fabiobik> im developing an app and debugging on device. on colsole says the installation was sucessfull but i dont see the app on menu
Jun 26 23:16:15 <devtekbeta> are java interfaces commonly used in android? i mean the abstract type, not UI
Jun 26 23:17:33 <Ikarus> devtekbeta: within the API, yes
Jun 26 23:18:23 <devtekbeta> ok. im learning java purley for android. so just trying to make sure i dont learn java stuff useless for android
Jun 26 23:19:07 <fabiobik> devtekbeta: learing java never be useless
Jun 26 23:19:36 <fabiobik> the more you know, more eficient your apps will be
Jun 26 23:19:46 <devtekbeta> it is pointless learning swing though right
Jun 26 23:20:10 <luyang> yes
Jun 26 23:20:17 <luyang> in a way
Jun 26 23:20:21 <devtekbeta> i see
Jun 26 23:24:31 <fabiobik> im still trying to find a awnser to my question
Jun 26 23:24:47 <fabiobik> does anyone know why the app is installed and its not showed in menu?
Jun 26 23:25:23 <herriojr> fabiobik: because your Main/Launcher isn't set
Jun 26 23:25:37 <fabiobik> herriojr: what you mean
Jun 26 23:25:56 <fabiobik> in manifest?
Jun 26 23:26:03 <herriojr> yes
Jun 26 23:26:25 <herriojr> if it doesn't show up in the home screen, either you don't have the intent filter for it or it is malformed
Jun 26 23:26:26 <fabiobik> herriojr: i think yes
Jun 26 23:26:44 <fabiobik> let me paste to you see
Jun 26 23:28:04 <fabiobik> herriojr: http://paste.org/51017
Jun 26 23:29:05 <herriojr> use pastebin.org, your link won't let me view without ads
Jun 26 23:29:29 <zachanima> I'm giving opengl ES a go, but I am having some issues switching from perspective to orthogonal; the square that works as expected (a 1x1 unit square) in perspective is _heavily_ upscaled from the expected 1x1 pixels to at least 2000x2000 pixels. Any clues? http://pastie.org/4157165
Jun 26 23:30:27 <herriojr> anyways, you need <intent-filter> <action androdi:name="android.intent.action.MAIN"/> <category android:name="android.intent.action.LAUNCHER"/></intent-filter>
Jun 26 23:30:41 <herriojr> s/androdi/android/
Jun 26 23:31:22 <fabiobik> herriojr: its there the intent-filter tag
Jun 26 23:31:31 <zachanima> in relation to my paste, the most relevant line would be line 17 of onDrawFrame, I guess
Jun 26 23:31:36 <herriojr> no it is not
Jun 26 23:32:22 <fabiobik> :\
Jun 26 23:32:46 <herriojr> fabiobik: read exactly what I typed and look in your manifest
Jun 26 23:34:10 <sukramTM> Hello, i parse a utf8 File. But now ist the problem, that utf8 files have a bom infront of the file (when you parse it, is it the first sign, invisible in editors) java have a problem with this (http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=4508058). In my file the first char is a niber wich I want to pars to an int, but because of the sign i become the error, that the app cant parse it. some
Jun 26 23:34:10 <sukramTM> Ideas?
Jun 26 23:34:24 <fabiobik> herriojr: http://pastebin.com/usNzgQ5B if you see on 16 its there
Jun 26 23:34:52 <zachanima> fabiobik: hint: MAIN
Jun 26 23:34:57 <zachanima> fabiobik: that's what I think anyway
Jun 26 23:35:05 * zachanima is incredibly new to android-dev
Jun 26 23:35:49 <herriojr> zachanima: thank you
Jun 26 23:35:59 <herriojr> fabiobik: again, you don't have exactly what I typed
Jun 26 23:36:01 <zachanima> herriojr: thank you for helping people :)
Jun 26 23:36:39 <fabiobik> herriojr: heh i dont see what is supose to alter
Jun 26 23:37:05 <herriojr> well, until you do, your application will not show up
Jun 26 23:37:16 <fabiobik> herriojr: xD
Jun 26 23:37:20 <zachanima> fabiobik: you don't have a main activity. iirc this is what android looks for to determine whether it needs a home screen app icon thingie
Jun 26 23:37:26 <zachanima> *main action
Jun 26 23:37:27 <zachanima> something
Jun 26 23:37:28 <zachanima> MAIN
Jun 26 23:37:58 <fabiobik>  <category android:name="android.intent.category.MAIN" />
Jun 26 23:38:04 <fabiobik> like this
Jun 26 23:38:18 <zachanima> no
Jun 26 23:38:29 <zachanima> fabiobik: re-read what herriojr typed :)
Jun 26 23:38:42 <fabiobik> xD
Jun 26 23:38:56 <zachanima> main action in launcher category, methinks
Jun 26 23:39:03 <zachanima> s/in/and
Jun 26 23:40:20 <herriojr> actually, better yet, do a diff
Jun 26 23:40:30 <jerry_l> well it has been fun but i have to start tile floor work. everyone finally left the house. :) laters cpu shutting down.
Jun 26 23:40:32 <herriojr> diff your intent filter with the one I typed
Jun 26 23:40:59 <luyang> any rumors regarding any Android related announcements tomorrow on Google I/O?
Jun 26 23:41:31 <JesusFreke> luyang: can I make up a random rumor?
Jun 26 23:41:34 <luyang> like optionally disabling app access to various things
Jun 26 23:41:38 <luyang> JesusFreke: no
Jun 26 23:41:42 <luyang> ;)
Jun 26 23:41:42 <herriojr> JesusFreke: please do
Jun 26 23:41:57 <JaredCE> I have a ListView, that when you click an item it adds the object back into a form so you can edit it. however on clicking the add button, it adds a new object to listview, how can i set a hidden variable to say this item exists, just update listview with new details
Jun 26 23:42:03 <zachanima> on that note, let me restate my previous issue: While I have no issues perspective-drawing, as soon as I switch to orthogonal my 1x1 unit square becomes 2000+x2000+. http://pastie.org/4157165 should contain relevant code
Jun 26 23:44:28 <robb_www> interesting stuff @ http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.6209v3.pdf
Jun 26 23:45:10 <herriojr> sorry zachanima: unfortunately, not my domain
Jun 26 23:45:32 <Ikarus> for some odd reason it takes around 3 minutes to install my 20MB apk....
Jun 26 23:45:40 <Ikarus> (OpenCV, FFS)
Jun 26 23:46:59 <zachanima> herriojr: no worries. This issue is quite specific and complicated though, and google has been no help so far :(
Jun 26 23:54:51 <Chronax> How can I put a map inside of a fragment for ABS? I've done a ton of Googling, and all of the solutions I've found have been just terrible. Any suggestions?
Jun 26 23:55:17 <g00s> robb_www: what was the pdf? i don't click random pdfs on the interwebs :)
Jun 26 23:55:21 <ctate> Ikarus: install on what device / OS rev?
Jun 26 23:55:30 <luyang> JesusFreke: ok go ahead
Jun 26 23:55:52 <ctate> Ikarus: on sufficiently old versions of the OS, the shared libs had to be copied out of the apk, which is very slow
Jun 26 23:56:10 <Ikarus> ctate: HTC Dream and 2.2
Jun 26 23:56:12 <Ikarus> so yes
Jun 26 23:56:51 <ctate> yeah, that's what's happening
Jun 26 23:57:05 <ctate> the apk is copied out to its install location, then the shlibs are copied out
Jun 26 23:57:06 <dragorn> ctate: shared libs aren't copied out under newer ones?
Jun 26 23:57:11 <ctate> dragorn: correct
Jun 26 23:57:15 <dragorn> ctate: interesting
Jun 26 23:57:20 <ctate> they're loaded directly from the apk containers
Jun 26 23:57:25 <ctate> iirc
Jun 26 23:57:33 <ctate> (because ew having to have a separate copy of them)
Jun 26 23:57:43 <Ikarus> ctate: interesting, because that is one hell of a change to ld.so
Jun 26 23:58:08 <Chronax> Anybody? I'm displaying 3 fragments in a FragmentPagerAdapter, and I need 1 of them to contain a map. Is it possible to do this with ABS?
Jun 26 23:58:11 <ctate> see also: ASECs :)
Jun 26 23:58:31 <dragorn> ctate: good to know.  Shoots a wacko hack I made in the foot, but I can't complain
Jun 26 23:58:38 <ctate> ha ha
Jun 26 23:58:55 <dragorn> ctate: I was using libs to store standalone binaries named .so, so it would auto-copy the right binary for the platform :P
Jun 26 23:59:01 <Onions> How can I have a gridview (or an equivalent. I just want a table, basically) with borders? I searched and I cannot find anything
Jun 26 23:59:08 <ctate> dragorn: yeah that's a wacko hack :)
Jun 26 23:59:15 <Onions> As in, just a colourized border, don't need images.
Jun 26 23:59:15 <dragorn> ctate: sure is, but it worked well :)
Jun 26 23:59:22 <dragorn> ctate: bastards. :p
Jun 26 23:59:33 <ctate> dragorn:  i say that is a bit strong sir
Jun 26 23:59:47 <ctate> why do you hate security?  :)
Jun 26 23:59:54 <Chronax> Onions set the bg color of a parent view, and create padding on your gridview (or whatever).
Jun 26 23:59:55 <Chronax> Make sense?
Jun 26 23:59:58 <dragorn> ctate: it's my given right as a developer to pervert your design, how dare you improve it
Jun 27 00:00:02 <Onions> ahh
Jun 27 00:00:07 <Onions> ty Chronax
Jun 27 00:00:08 <ctate> dragorn:  mousetrap <-> mouse
Jun 27 00:00:10 <Onions> trying now
Jun 27 00:00:20 <Chronax> Cool, hope it helps.
Jun 27 00:00:36 <dragorn> ctate: I suppose I'll have to store it as a resource now and add copy logic to pull it out to execute it
Jun 27 00:01:45 <ctate> or something
Jun 27 00:03:27 <zachanima> I'll try again, for the heck of it :); perspective works fine, orthogonal upscales the image by a factor of 2000+: http://pastie.org/4157165
Jun 27 00:04:40 <robb_www> g00s, a paper by google and stanford on distributed neural networks, with the case study being detecting humans , and cats
Jun 27 00:05:14 <robb_www> the soft fluffy version of the same story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18595351
Jun 27 00:05:21 <Ikarus> I still need to see if I can strip down OpenCV a little
Jun 27 00:05:25 <g00s> robb_www: ah, ok. here is another interesting story http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=144888
Jun 27 00:05:28 <Ikarus> 20MB is just too much for a release APK
Jun 27 00:05:39 <g00s> Ikarus: were you using proguard ?
Jun 27 00:05:51 <g00s> can't remember if opencv was c or not
Jun 27 00:06:10 <JesusFreke> robb_www: ooo. It has cat pictures. I must read this paper.
Jun 27 00:06:14 <JesusFreke> ;)
Jun 27 00:06:24 <Chronax> Anybody know of a solution to putting a MapView inside of a Fragment within ABS?
Jun 27 00:06:27 <XXCoder> man why is graphics so shitty on ics
Jun 27 00:06:37 <ctate> in what way?
Jun 27 00:06:40 <robb_www> jesus, right!?
Jun 27 00:06:55 <XXCoder> ctate: well basically I have live wallpaper that uses graphics draw stuff
Jun 27 00:06:56 <JesusFreke> ?
Jun 27 00:06:59 <XXCoder> it uses circles a lot
Jun 27 00:07:08 <XXCoder> it looks great in gingerbread and earlier
Jun 27 00:07:10 * robb_www was responding in agreement
Jun 27 00:07:13 <robb_www> anyway gnight
Jun 27 00:07:14 <XXCoder> in ics it looks very broken
Jun 27 00:07:22 <ctate> broken how?
Jun 27 00:07:23 <JesusFreke> ah :)
Jun 27 00:07:29 <XXCoder> well not solid circle
Jun 27 00:07:31 <ctate> (serious question)
Jun 27 00:07:50 <XXCoder> its a dots that look like circle
Jun 27 00:07:51 <ctate> file bugs please
Jun 27 00:07:59 <ctate> oh i see
Jun 27 00:08:09 <ctate> but yes, if it changed appearance file bugs
Jun 27 00:08:10 <XXCoder> and it randomly changes places as it moves and redraws
Jun 27 00:08:15 <Ikarus> g00s: no, not using proguard and OpenCV is C++
Jun 27 00:08:25 <g00s> Ikarus: ok, that won't help then
Jun 27 00:08:28 <ctate> are you using ordinary (skia) drawing or GL or what?
Jun 27 00:08:46 <XXCoder> using basic paint stuff. lemme get example
Jun 27 00:08:49 <ctate> yeah ok
Jun 27 00:09:04 <ctate> file bugs, preferably from identical hardware running the different versions of hte OS
Jun 27 00:09:10 <ctate> but bugs nevertheless :)
Jun 27 00:09:27 <XXCoder> 					c.drawCircle(Fa, Fb, Fc, mPaint);
Jun 27 00:09:39 <ctate> this might be largely related to the fact that hw-accelerated drawing was not entirely solid in ICS, especially for curves/circles
Jun 27 00:09:44 <XXCoder> it looks same, bugged in emulator and in my touchpad
Jun 27 00:09:46 <ctate> because gpus hate circles
Jun 27 00:10:16 <XXCoder> hmm I see
Jun 27 00:10:16 <ctate> well, the emulator is not entirely to be trusted for hw-accelerated drawing
Jun 27 00:10:30 <XXCoder> it looks same on my touchpad (cm9)
Jun 27 00:10:31 <ctate> nor is hte touchpad, which is some random hackjob port and not a real product
Jun 27 00:10:45 <ctate> i.e. not with proper ICS-tuned graphics drivers
Jun 27 00:10:52 <ctate> try it on a real ICS device
Jun 27 00:10:55 <XXCoder> hmm I see
Jun 27 00:11:03 <XXCoder> nah no real ics device here
Jun 27 00:11:17 <ctate> hm ok
Jun 27 00:11:32 <sukramTM> When I write \n in a string, than there should be a line break or?
Jun 27 00:11:40 <zachanima> sukramTM: depends on the context
Jun 27 00:11:42 <ctate> "looks broken in prerelease cm9 on unofficial hardware" is not a very strong case for it being a bug :)
Jun 27 00:11:52 <g00s> haha
Jun 27 00:12:01 <RxDx> I set a TimePicker.. how can I compare the time that user enter to 4:20 for example?
Jun 27 00:12:05 <XXCoder> nmk.
Jun 27 00:12:18 <XXCoder> sorry had to move fast to close window
Jun 27 00:12:43 <ctate> BOSS KEY
Jun 27 00:12:50 <XXCoder> wow its really pouring down now
Jun 27 00:12:56 <ctate> send some here
Jun 27 00:12:58 <XXCoder> anyway ctate thanks
Jun 27 00:13:01 <ctate> sure thing
Jun 27 00:13:04 * XXCoder tries to send some
Jun 27 00:13:21 <XXCoder> summer havent started here
Jun 27 00:13:29 <ctate> we're in pre-fire season here
Jun 27 00:13:33 <JesusFreke> ctate: I can deliver some rain if you really want it ;)
Jun 27 00:13:37 <ctate> i.e. everything has turned brown, but hasn't yet caught fire
Jun 27 00:13:41 <sukramTM> zachanima: What do you mean? I place the strin in a textview
Jun 27 00:13:43 <ctate> JesusFreke:  hush, you.
Jun 27 00:13:47 <luyang> I need to get to sleep soon so I will feel fresh when watching Google I/O tomorrow!!
Jun 27 00:13:47 <g00s> az has been in a drought for 19 years; i'm waiting for the whole place to go up in flames
Jun 27 00:13:57 <zachanima> sukramTM: then it should be a linebreak, yes
Jun 27 00:14:00 <ctate> g00s: you left a few zeroes off that "19"
Jun 27 00:14:07 <g00s> heh
Jun 27 00:14:17 <g00s> relatively speaking ;)
Jun 27 00:14:36 <XXCoder> g00s: ow. I lived at calfornia for 2 years. rained 2 days in that whole time, and both was at last 2 days
Jun 27 00:14:51 <XXCoder> I had hell of a fun at great quake back then
Jun 27 00:15:02 <XXCoder> early 90s. very.
Jun 27 00:15:26 <g00s> i havent seen a damn living thing on my trail runs this year. even the rocks have more life than the bushes.
Jun 27 00:15:47 <XXCoder> lol
Jun 27 00:15:49 <sukramTM> I parse a utf-8 file with inputstream and save the text in a sqlite database. When I now get the text from the table an put it in the textview, he dont make a linebreak, he shows: \n
Jun 27 00:16:05 <birbeck> sucks, im missing the day one keynote live tomorrow
Jun 27 00:16:19 <birbeck> and the i/o extended at google sf is full :(
Jun 27 00:16:25 <Notevision> how long would it take for the downloads for my app to show up on the app's homepage on Google Play? Like for example, some apps would say: "INSTALLS: 1-10" "INSTALLS: 1,000,000 - 5,000,000" etc... How long does it take for that to show up on the homepage?
Jun 27 00:16:33 <birbeck> gonna have to stream it in the cafeteria now
Jun 27 00:17:00 <birbeck> Notevision: i think its updated in semi realtime
Jun 27 00:17:25 <ctate> birbeck: break in and camp out in Moscone overnight to sneak in?
Jun 27 00:17:32 <birbeck> though with the number of apps and downloads, i wouldnt be surprised if its accumulated daily now
Jun 27 00:17:44 <birbeck> ctate: i should have done that last weej
Jun 27 00:17:46 <birbeck> week
Jun 27 00:18:36 <birbeck> put on a jump suit and look like a worker
Jun 27 00:18:48 <XXCoder> ctate: I checked the bug report again
Jun 27 00:18:55 <XXCoder> its on stock galaxy tab 7 ics
Jun 27 00:19:07 <ctate> oy, samsung drivers :)
Jun 27 00:19:14 <ctate> but sure; like i said, file bugs :)
Jun 27 00:19:19 <XXCoder> how do i do so?
Jun 27 00:20:27 <ctate> b.android.com
Jun 27 00:20:50 <ctate> please be sure to attach screenshots of correct vs incorrect rendering
Jun 27 00:21:00 <ctate> and if possible, the code that is doing the drawing
Jun 27 00:21:52 <XXCoder> ctate: will do. thanks.
Jun 27 00:27:18 <XXCoder> man I evenually need a better pc lol
Jun 27 00:27:29 <XXCoder> ics really is affecting my system
Jun 27 00:27:45 <Ikarus> XXCoder: try doing dev on a Atom
Jun 27 00:27:50 <Ikarus> Java is dead slow on them....
Jun 27 00:28:00 <Jug6ernaut> sounds like a bad idea
Jun 27 00:28:02 <XXCoder> in least it does when I also run 2.1 android at same time lol
Jun 27 00:28:09 <XXCoder> Ikarus: lol ok
Jun 27 00:28:20 <XXCoder> I used to do java dev on aspire one
Jun 27 00:28:26 <XXCoder> seemed fine, but then it wasnt android
Jun 27 00:32:02 <Notevision> birbeck: What do you mean by semi realtime?
Jun 27 00:32:48 <Chronax> How can I put a map inside of a fragment for ABS? I've done a ton of Googling, and all of the solutions I've found have been just terrible. Any suggestions?
Jun 27 00:36:30 <mikedg> yo
Jun 27 00:37:49 <Onions> How do I stop the textcolour of a gridview item (textview, simple_item_list_1 i think) from changing the text colour when pressed?
Jun 27 00:41:29 <XXCoder> ctate: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=33724
Jun 27 00:41:56 <ctate> thanks!
Jun 27 00:42:18 <ctate> workaround: use thicker lines :)
Jun 27 00:43:34 <XXCoder> ctate: yeah free version you cant do that
Jun 27 00:43:54 <XXCoder> I might add line thickness to free version so people can change it
Jun 27 00:43:55 <ctate> oh, it isn't your app?
Jun 27 00:43:58 <ctate> oic
Jun 27 00:43:59 <Notevision> birbeck: What do you mean by semi realtime?
Jun 27 00:44:22 <XXCoder> ctate: if wanna see pic refresh as I just added link
Jun 27 00:44:36 <ctate> oh the upload worked for me
Jun 27 00:44:39 <ctate> whatever!
Jun 27 00:45:30 <XXCoder> weird it dont on my end. anyway undeleted lol
Jun 27 00:48:54 <defuera> hello everybody! I'am working on horisontalScrollView for my game to create similiar to angry birds level chapter selector. So i got a problem all my bitmas (buttons for level chapters) are lean agains  each other, how do I create a room between them?
Jun 27 00:49:50 <XXCoder> how do you make those buttons?
Jun 27 00:49:54 <defuera> I filling a container with those bitmaps and then call CustomHorisontalActivity
Jun 27 00:50:16 <XXCoder> oh I think you can use blank space objects
Jun 27 00:50:27 <XXCoder> tjht or use control settings to create spaces
Jun 27 00:50:34 <defuera> it's just Buttons with backgrounds
Jun 27 00:50:38 <XXCoder> haven't really used GUI on android so yeah
Jun 27 00:50:49 <ctate> fwiw, the basic design guidance on horizontal scrolling containers is "Don't."
Jun 27 00:51:06 <ctate> that said, ViewPager FTW
Jun 27 00:51:12 <ctate> which is more what you want
Jun 27 00:51:27 <ctate> paging horizontally, not smooth scrolling horizontally, if i understand your comparison to Angry Birds
Jun 27 00:52:14 <defuera> ctate, I need to show one button at center and two on sides, I think ViewPager does not provide this
Jun 27 00:52:38 <ctate> then sure, you'll be writing your own
Jun 27 00:52:47 <defuera> oh
Jun 27 00:53:10 <defuera> sounds scarry for such a noob as I am
Jun 27 00:53:18 <ctate> it is not as hard as it sounds
Jun 27 00:55:14 <Onions> How do I stop the textcolour of a gridview item (textview, simple_item_list_1 i think) from changing the text colour when pressed?
Jun 27 00:56:00 <defuera> so u are saying, that using ViewPager I can get the same effect as shown in angry birds, with space between buttons and without additional useless things like transparent bitmaps?
Jun 27 00:56:09 <jessicajames> Hi guys, so I'm having trouble figuring out how to make menus in android apps. I don't even know what to search online...I've seen things like "Intent", "OptionMenu", "Action Menu", "Action Overflow". What should I look for?
Jun 27 00:58:05 <drdiv> Hey guys, i'm curious about something. How hard would it be to design an app for Android that basically just pulled styles and content from a mobile website? Similar to how the Facebook app does it.
Jun 27 00:59:07 <defuera> jessica, how about this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html
Jun 27 00:59:23 <defuera> btw, how wow, they made new design!
Jun 27 00:59:33 <[deXter]> Yeah, it's been a while
Jun 27 00:59:38 <[deXter]> like a couple of weeks now
Jun 27 01:01:02 <defuera> do you think there's a point for noob try to start a freelance work?
Jun 27 01:01:46 <defuera> actually I can program basic things
Jun 27 01:02:03 <defuera> espessially when google is around)
Jun 27 01:03:18 <defuera> not very chatty place, right?
Jun 27 01:03:43 <jessicajames> defuera, on that page where it says "Popup Menu"...would work on other devices that aren't ICS?
Jun 27 01:03:54 <mikedg> everyone is getting io'ed
Jun 27 01:04:20 <defuera> I just tired of banging my head against the wall
Jun 27 01:05:54 <defuera> jessica, is it saying 4.0 only? I don't think so, it's old thing, but honestly I don't know, test it.
Jun 27 01:07:50 <ctate> [deXter]:  the new d.android.com design launched last week, iirc
Jun 27 01:10:20 <[deXter]> ctate, Hmm, you're right it was last week; but seems longer than that for some reason. :P
Jun 27 01:10:27 <ctate> :)
Jun 27 01:10:32 <[deXter]> Maybe because I started using it more since the redesign.. :P
Jun 27 01:12:26 <manchicken> Does anybody know why I would be getting a strange date back from a timestamp when I run it through sqlite's strftime('%s',COL) function?
Jun 27 01:12:33 <manchicken> I'm getting dates back in the 1980's, so I thought that perhaps they were using a 2000 reference rather than a 1970 reference for epoch, but adding that offset doesn't seem to make a difference.
Jun 27 01:14:24 <cyberrog> Hey! I'm looking for a way to check if the id of the contact is the same for two numbers, since this two numbers are added to this contact. However, when I check the contact id based on PhoneLookup._ID it shows differente id's.  Here is my code http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061832/
Jun 27 01:15:08 <cyberrog> the id from the cursor is different when comparing to a number from the same contact. E.g. a home number and a mobile number, they should bring the same contactId, right?
Jun 27 01:19:51 <cyberrog> any idea?
Jun 27 01:36:26 <fabiobik> how to change a image programmaticaly in ImageView?
Jun 27 01:37:31 <fabiobik> what im thinking to do is get a json awnser and if that awnser is yes then the ImageView image change
Jun 27 01:55:09 <Onions> http://pastebin.com/S49UYi6f - With this, landscape orientation, the gridview starts on the same line as the textview. How can i get it to start on a new line?
Jun 27 01:56:09 <fjornir> onions: Try making the width of the TextView fill_parent
Jun 27 01:56:40 <Onions> fjornir: my gridview disappeared when I did that.
Jun 27 02:24:33 <Onions> fjornir ? :o
Jun 27 02:28:58 <fjornir> Onions ? :o
Jun 27 02:29:07 <Onions> nevermind :p
Jun 27 02:29:14 <Onions> I set the orientation to vertical
Jun 27 02:29:19 <c2tarun> hi friends, is there anyway I can check whether the call going out is an STD call or local call? by code.
Jun 27 02:44:30 <fully_human> For some reason all of a sudden in Eclipse, eclipse can't find the path the java libraries.  In the project properties I get the error "unable to get system library for the project."  What's a way to fix this?  Thanks.
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