**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 30 02:59:59 2012 Jul 30 03:19:45 i have an activity, and a fragment. the onOptionsItemSelected in activity is called, but in fragment not. anybody knows why? Jul 30 03:20:26 i mean the callback runs.. when a menu item is pressed. Jul 30 03:27:32 * Naish is suffering from some severe mondayitis Jul 30 03:33:43 quick question, but if a project is open source (Battle for Wesnoth) and already has the source avaiable for previous API's, how difficult would it be to convert to Jelly Bean for the Nexus 7? Jul 30 03:54:49 WilliamDecker: android is extremely backwards compatible - you can generally mix APIs from 1 to N quite happily Jul 30 04:00:17 WilliamDecker: a game built for older API will run on a new devices just fine Jul 30 04:00:59 has anyone been using the new r8b ndk? Jul 30 04:01:30 Drakonite: when I go to the google play store I can install Battle for Wesnoth on my phone (ICS) but not for my Nexus 7 (Jelly Bean) Jul 30 04:01:52 that's unlikely to be an API level thing - far more likely to be something like the screen size Jul 30 04:02:25 they would have to have manually specified to NOT support beyond ICS, which that ability was depreciated IIRC. Jul 30 04:03:05 like Leeds said, it's not going to be an API level thing, more likely screen size or some other item Jul 30 04:03:31 I've had the market incorrectly label devices as incompatible before Jul 30 04:04:10 both the market just being broken randomly, as well as devices reporting incorrect specs (claiming no multitouch to market when it clearly has multitouch, etc) Jul 30 04:04:43 so I guess if I could just create the APK and install it on the device it'll probably work :] Jul 30 04:05:15 well, maybe not. it may have had a restriction for a very good reason Jul 30 04:07:05 if you pull the APK - or get the Android app source - you can look at the manifest (pastebin it for us to look at if you want) and see what the restrictions are Jul 30 04:08:48 I find `aapt dump badging filename.apk` to be better personally :) Jul 30 04:09:14 it includes implied restrictions, not just manifest listings Jul 30 04:10:54 https://github.com/cjhopman/Battle-for-Wesnoth-on-Android/blob/master/AndroidManifest.xml Jul 30 04:12:05 ... eww Jul 30 04:13:01 they shouldn't be listing all those uses-feature entries like that Jul 30 04:14:10 What is the name of the service running the ui on top of surfaceflinger? Jul 30 04:18:12 Drakonite: anything stand out that would make it incompatible? Jul 30 04:19:29 lots of junk that shouldn't be there, but nothing standing out as an absolute Jul 30 04:19:44 it shows as compatible with all my devices, but I don't have a Nexus 7 Jul 30 04:22:41 also as a side question...learning to program for android devices, I saw some videos by The New Boston...would that be the best place to start? Jul 30 04:25:56 anyone else have no idea what "The New Boston" is? Jul 30 04:26:25 I assumed it was some new street drug all the kids are in to these days Jul 30 04:26:36 Leeds: its a tutorial video series Jul 30 04:26:45 Leeds: mainly programming Jul 30 04:27:11 I think to me it would be the Boston in the US, given that like "The New York" it took its name from a city in the UK Jul 30 04:28:33 sorry should have given more context... http://thenewboston.org/list.php?cat=6 Jul 30 04:28:39 WilliamDecker: how is your Java? Jul 30 04:28:56 on a scale of 1-10 Jul 30 04:28:59 I'd put it at a 1 Jul 30 04:29:07 :) Jul 30 04:29:52 then you've got 2 steps: learn Java, then learn Android... http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/ and http://developer.android.com/training/index.html Jul 30 04:30:21 new boston has java tutorials as well Jul 30 04:30:22 eww the javas! don't let them touch you! Jul 30 04:31:33 I know people get obsessed with the idea that they need to learn from videos, but to me coding is an inherently textual activity Jul 30 04:32:35 I guess it depends on the person really, it's more traditional in terms of education, having an educator telling you what to do versus reading it Jul 30 04:32:51 sometimes educators go off on relevant tangents Jul 30 04:37:02 after working with many "traditionallye educated" programs, hiring programmers, and talking to/helping people I know taking programming classes, I can say that I'm thoroughly disappointed in what exists for programming education Jul 30 04:37:32 I would agree that you need a teacher for *computer science* - which isn't the same as learning a particular language/APIset/platform/etc Jul 30 04:39:52 autodidactism ftw Jul 30 04:43:17 agreed Jul 30 04:43:55 programming is problem solving. you learn problem solving by thinking, not by listening to some teacher lecture about things they don't really understand. Jul 30 04:45:35 not all teachers don't understand what they're talking about :) Jul 30 04:45:56 problem solving i've found is a lot easier when you understand the concepts behind the problem... Jul 30 04:46:34 like the expression, give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day teach a man a fish he'll eat for a lifetime Jul 30 04:46:59 I think the number of quality educators out there is quite limited, but that's the world we live in...you get what you pay for Jul 30 04:47:26 My experience with the education system is firmly on the "give a man a fish" side... show you how to do one problem exactly their way, by copying steps exactly out of a book, etc, and then move on to the next problem the same way Jul 30 04:47:51 no problem solving, no understanding "why" so you can figure out the next level. no real learning IMO Jul 30 04:49:00 Drakonite: what country did you go to school in? Jul 30 04:49:33 it isn't even about the money IMO (talking public education)... it's the whole attitude. Don't get me wrong, there is a funding problem, sure. But more money won't solve the problem when the attitude is to drill formulas and copy/paste skills in to idiots heads to get them to pass an exam (yet don't count the exam toward grades, just 'participation' type grade through homework grades) Jul 30 04:49:39 USA Jul 30 04:49:58 ah...I can only speak for Canada...and for most courses I had quality teachers Jul 30 04:50:06 our school was well funded as well Jul 30 04:50:22 but funding came from the student body mostly...it was a very unique situation Jul 30 04:50:49 we had an after school program where the students had a fund that they'd use to invest money, and the money they'd make every year went to various programs Jul 30 04:51:07 the student body was fairly wealthy Jul 30 04:51:53 private schools are not the same as public schools Jul 30 04:52:10 and college/uni is different than grade school Jul 30 04:53:28 my school was public, Toronto area Jul 30 04:53:48 but like I said...it was a unique situation only because of the hard work of the students Jul 30 04:54:07 although after I finished the economy went to shit, so they could have lost a ton of money :) Jul 30 04:54:45 I would not be surprised to see better public education in canada than in the US Jul 30 04:54:52 of course, it's not consistent across either country Jul 30 04:55:19 but the core required curriculum for grade school is busted Jul 30 04:56:46 in Canada specifically there are a few particular challenges which I don't think are unique here...it's actually probably a lot worse in the states, but I have a few friends that are teachers Jul 30 04:56:59 #1 teachers in Canada don't retire in Ontario because life is fucking good for them Jul 30 04:57:21 #2 they're well paid (I know this isn't the same for the us) which is a problem for #1 Jul 30 04:57:35 and people make a lot more money outside of teaching if they're actually really smart Jul 30 04:58:24 so what we get is mediocre teachers for the most part, there are a few shining stars...some know how to deal with kids better than others, some know the curriculum a lot better, some are just better at teaching Jul 30 04:59:02 so unless I'm willing to contribute to fixing it I really can't complain too much...I think there are more opportunities outside of school to find the education you want/need Jul 30 05:18:44 Weird. I just got an OTA from Samsung on my Galaxy Nexus that says: "This softwre Update includes new enhancements and improvements for your device by Samsung.. (more stuff)..." Jul 30 05:18:51 anyone know what the update has in it? Jul 30 05:22:07 First time I've had an OTA ask to install itself, in a legalesque kind of way. Jul 30 05:22:50 legalese is always a sign of danger Jul 30 05:23:02 cagedwisdom: do you have JB? Jul 30 05:23:21 Hi! Is it safe to use _id of Contact and contact data in my database? Jul 30 05:23:26 Leeds, JB? Jul 30 05:24:14 Leeds, ah got it Jul 30 05:24:23 Leeds, idk, maybe thats what this is. Jul 30 05:25:25 just thought it would come from the G instead of Samsung Jul 30 05:27:03 what variant of gnex do you have? Jul 30 05:58:30 hey all Jul 30 05:58:59 anyone here Jul 30 05:59:09 nope Jul 30 06:00:40 in the google io 2012 app, all the fragments in xml are wrapped in a frame layout, is there any advantage of doing this? Jul 30 06:00:55 currently have HTC evo shift running cyanogenmod 7.2; and just recently noticed when I reboot my phone, and its powering up to home screen, right as soon as everything loads up, I get a box on the bottom of the screen that says "have a nice day!" then just goes away..ever heard of that? if so, what program is it related to? Jul 30 06:02:04 no, sorry, it says "have a good day!" Jul 30 06:03:54 nevermind, come to find out that comes w/ cm 7.2 Jul 30 06:05:56 Hey guys, I have a toggle button in a "settings" activity which I want to use to turn music on or off in a different activity. This is a newbie question but can't quite find the answer.. in the settings.java for the toggle, the if (on) state I have music.setvolume(0,0);, but in eclipse i get an error on that line, "music can not be resolved". I need to access that mediaplayer instance from this activity.. :/ Jul 30 06:08:38 dreamache, store your music setting somewhere in settings, don't set directly to mediaplayer. or use singleton to store reference to your player Jul 30 06:09:11 whenever I reboot my phone, I always receive a ghost notification for voicemail messages, but I have 0 messages. I tried contacting sprint, and they cleated my messages inbox, and still receive the ghost message when using default SMS and voicemail app. so i had to resort to using googlevoice and enable the box to receive messages via googlevoice; but dont really want to have an additional Jul 30 06:09:11 app to disable that notification everytime I reboot my phone. Jul 30 06:15:16 Udmurt: if I store the music settings in the settings activity, it won't play on app load though? Jul 30 06:16:01 ..since the other activity is the activity that's active once the app plays. sorry, I'm a newb. Jul 30 06:17:19 dreamache, you just store settings, in other activity you must read it. on start of you app or then ever. also you can send intent to your mediaplayer activity upon change setting in settings activity. Jul 30 06:19:18 dreamache, http://www.kaloer.com/android-preferences Jul 30 06:20:25 http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#pref Jul 30 06:25:06 Udmurt: Ahh ok, I was assuming taking the route of just letting people adjust settings via a custom activity with form widgets. Thanks for the direction though.. after 7+ beers I might rest for now and try to wrap my head around this tmw. Jul 30 07:09:27 My app need phone-call permission for a function. Is there a way to allow app to be found (on GPlay) from wifi-only devices, and only that particular function disabled? Jul 30 07:10:37 currently, with the permission defined in manifest, wifi-only devices will not see my app Jul 30 07:24:25 hoangtran: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-element.html#permissions Jul 30 07:24:58 hoangtran: so something like Jul 30 07:27:17 appel1: thx, reading, hopefully this is the way, otherwise I'll have to create (non-sense) multiple versions with different permission Jul 30 07:54:14 https://plus.google.com/u/0/115208695107342318629/posts/cBxoGSEtbQW Jul 30 08:00:47 hey look, what I've been arguing for years! Jul 30 08:01:01 this is one data point :) Jul 30 08:01:14 that contradicts almost every other dta apoint i've seen for the past few years Jul 30 08:01:40 it matches what other game devs told me Jul 30 08:01:41 that is not true, you haven't been looking at data points you've been looking at blind rhetoric Jul 30 08:02:17 Hello there, I need to remove my app from ACTION_SEND choice menu, when launched from my app, How could I do that ? Jul 30 08:02:21 it matches the details sales data from some marketing firm provided to the company I used to work for Jul 30 08:03:12 didn't the World of Good guys claim they had a 90% piracy rate on PC? Jul 30 08:03:16 (with a cheap, DRM-free game) Jul 30 08:04:27 g00s: the big point, is that I cannot find a single source that can provide reliable data showing any significant difference in piracy between iOS and Android (i.e. detailed metrics and information on how data was collected). I spent a lot of time looking. Jul 30 08:05:24 romainguy_: probably. other PC devs have claimed 90+%. claims were made of 90+% on android last year, and for those that forgot iOS devs were claiming 90+% piracy rates originally too Jul 30 08:10:37 from that post, by the way, it's worth skimming the comments - mainly for the one guy who happily and proudly defends his piracy on the basis that if he likes something, he goes back and pays for it Jul 30 08:11:12 I've heard those comments far too much already Jul 30 08:11:16 Having been burned by shoddy console ports and lack of intelligent programming or decent support, I now test games by pirating them first before I buy. Jul 30 08:11:20 for which http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps definitely applies Jul 30 08:11:31 Game demos do not do the job. Jul 30 08:11:41 pragma-: really? you're going to say that in here? Jul 30 08:11:58 I do buy the good ones. Jul 30 08:12:08 Leeds: I hate that argument :) Jul 30 08:12:08 Most publishers will not refund. Jul 30 08:12:12 I'm not going to bother feeding the trolls with a long argument, but I will say... "bullshit" Jul 30 08:12:36 romainguy_: presumably you saw the oatmeal cartoon before... Jul 30 08:12:47 Leeds: yes :) Jul 30 08:13:35 I'm not referring to android games, though. The free version is usually representative of the paid version. Jul 30 08:13:48 to me, it's pretty simple... if I pay US$10 for a movie, any game which costs <=$3 and gives me at least an hour of entertainment is good value Jul 30 08:13:58 that in no way makes your argument any less invalid to me Jul 30 08:14:00 any game which gives me more than a couple of hours is great value Jul 30 08:14:11 I am referring to the $60 crapware that has infested the market. Jul 30 08:14:58 and a game which costs $2 and I end up not liking... really, I've got a $650 phone, a $250 tablet (on the way), I pay $70 per month for home and mobile 'net - do I give a crap about $2? Jul 30 08:15:23 Those $2 add up on the developer's account and makes them think they're doing a good job. Jul 30 08:16:27 wow Jul 30 08:16:51 the crapware is pretty easily identifiable, as well as a huge amount of freely available reviews and people discussing the games. if $60 is that big of a deal, then spend the time to find a few reviews and gameplay videos, or go play cheap games Jul 30 08:17:41 In any case, as I've said, a competent developer has a limited feature free version that motivates you to buy the paid version. Or even a fully featured version that just wows us enough to show our support through donations. Jul 30 08:17:49 in the end, I've known a very large number of people who try to make your same claim, and all of they are lying, they don't really go buy the games they play, or if they do it is very rare Jul 30 08:17:56 One would be foolish to blindly buy a game, be it 99 cents or less. Jul 30 08:19:00 I am not speaking for anyone else but myself. Jul 30 08:19:09 My argument is not intended to defend them. Jul 30 08:20:00 There was a time when money had a strong moral virtue sanctioned on it, before they started printing it willy-nilly. Jul 30 08:20:50 oh... Jul 30 08:21:24 mm money Jul 30 08:21:35 of course, back in the 24-hour refund days... Jul 30 08:22:12 presumably there was no piracy at all, since everyone had a chance to test everything for a while Jul 30 08:22:36 Why is it only 15 minutes now Jul 30 08:22:40 that's a little short. Jul 30 08:22:56 most apps are small and easy to evaluate Jul 30 08:23:02 the dev should be able to choose the refund time window Jul 30 08:23:11 minimum wage in the US is 7.25/hr, which means at min wage it'd take 8min 16s to make enough money to buy a 99c mobile game. Jul 30 08:23:23 and sell it once? Jul 30 08:23:37 oh buy Jul 30 08:24:13 danharibo: the general theory at the time it was changed was that it was a result of pressure from big game companies (like lions and tigers!) who wanted to be able to sell games which had a few hours of playtime, without them being refunded Jul 30 08:24:25 Leeds: :( Jul 30 08:24:34 I have someone who keeps downloading a game I made and then refunding the purchase before the time runs out Jul 30 08:24:46 letting the dev choose would just be too complicated for users Jul 30 08:24:58 Drakonite: you only get to refund once Jul 30 08:24:59 Drakonite: really? I thought you could only refund once. Jul 30 08:25:15 I won't go in to details, but there are some exploit problems with the 15min trial system on android, and I'd very much rather not have it. Jul 30 08:25:34 Leeds: I got emails of the same person getting a refund many times over the course of a couple weeks Jul 30 08:25:48 for the same app? Jul 30 08:25:49 and presumably you reported that to GOOG and got no response? Jul 30 08:25:59 yes, same app Jul 30 08:26:09 that's weird Jul 30 08:26:14 1) I didn't know of the 1 refund limit. 2) really didn't care enough either Jul 30 08:28:44 Leeds: oh, you mean the exploit I referred to? well, google hasn't helped with anything else I've contacted them about and I decided I'd rather not post it on a public bug tracker and have it never be fixed Jul 30 08:29:47 you could email the market support... but I still wouldn't expect a response Jul 30 08:30:17 'email' - web form Jul 30 08:31:12 wow, reading this article about MS 10-k report; seems like they are really getting into hw like apple. the surface isn't just a 'demo' / pacesetter Jul 30 08:31:50 these next 12 months are going to be very interesting Jul 30 08:31:53 :) Jul 30 08:31:58 Leeds: well, the market still requires you to commit credit card fraud in order to test IAP, so somehow I doubt google would give a shit Jul 30 08:32:20 you mean to buy from yourself then refund? Jul 30 08:32:48 hmm, sqlite noob here.. for a "sync" in our app i need to drop all data in all tables.. right now i create a list of the tables names and then iterate over it and do: db.delete(tableName, null, null) Jul 30 08:32:49 yes Jul 30 08:33:02 this is error probe though (i.e. once i change the db schema, i need to change this code, too) Jul 30 08:33:16 what's the canonical way to iterate over all tables in a SQLIteDatabase? Jul 30 08:33:21 tapas: you are using a versioned database, presumably? Jul 30 08:33:27 Leeds: yes.. Jul 30 08:33:40 tapas: i think there is a table that has all the tables :P Jul 30 08:33:40 so you know what the tables are by the database version Jul 30 08:34:01 Good day! Jul 30 08:34:17 tapas: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/82875/how-do-i-list-the-tables-in-a-sqlite-database-file Jul 30 08:34:31 If I put a viewpager inside a viewpager and the outer viewpager only gets changed by code, will swipe gestures still reach the inner viewpager? Jul 30 08:34:44 it's why the market won't let you buy apps published with your account -- buying something from yourself with a CC is considered fraud (at least in the US). placing charges to intentionally refund them is also not considered okay :P Jul 30 08:34:47 g00s: yeah, i stumbled over tht SO question, too.. Jul 30 08:34:50 The idea is that you change the outer viewpager with a tab widget and the inner viewpager by swiping. Jul 30 08:35:41 g00s: i was just wondering if there's a more robust way.. i.e. is it guaranteed that there's a table called sqlite_master? Jul 30 08:35:50 g00s: MS has done hardware before (and still does for at least small items). but typically OEMs want to take on the expensive part of hardware dev so MS doesn't bother and just collects licensing money :) Jul 30 08:37:07 Hello Jul 30 08:37:22 I have an issue with push notifications & starting an intent Jul 30 08:37:34 I push the notification fine, and I can start the intent: Jul 30 08:37:38 http://pastebin.com/g08UmJYt Jul 30 08:37:52 But the following paramas: notificationIntent.setAction("load_notifications"); Jul 30 08:37:52 notificationIntent.putExtra("test", "test"); Jul 30 08:38:15 Are not visible in my main activity if the following config option is set: android:launchMode="singleTask" Jul 30 08:38:26 "singleInstance" has the same result, they aren't set. Jul 30 08:41:33 Drakonite: but i think what is new here, is that MS will compete with its HW partners Jul 30 08:42:00 Peeter: sounds like you've done your testing, but that seems like a quite unlikely bug Jul 30 08:51:52 could someone tell me what is the common way of handling events with opengl? since i cant call opengl commands from the ui thread am i supposed to create my own queue which i execute every time i draw a frame? Jul 30 08:52:27 balls2thewall: yep Jul 30 08:52:37 =/ thank you Jul 30 09:04:06 this is turning out to be a not-too-shabby book http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Frontier-Rachel-Hinman/dp/1933820551 Jul 30 09:04:48 pretty hard to find UX material on tough interfaces that isn't platform dependent Jul 30 09:04:55 *touch Jul 30 09:19:38 hmm, is there a way to get the value of a row in a certain column as string representation regardless of type? Jul 30 09:20:16 what is the equivalent parameter to --rename-manifest-package in aapt tag? Jul 30 09:21:16 it seems there's no way to discern different column types short of trying to access the data with one of the get* methods and catch the exception if it fails.. Jul 30 09:21:21 then try the other type.. Jul 30 09:22:09 i'll try it that way and if it's too slow think harder about the issue Jul 30 09:36:43 hello, can anyone tell me how I can create an android application that is pluginable. Is it ok to use reflection or is there something easier ? Jul 30 09:46:44 * tinyhippo was just about to reply to pinas... Jul 30 09:48:15 I'm getting a ClassNotFoundException on my project, but I don't know why?! http://pastebin.com/yxiNFkuP Jul 30 09:48:33 I exported the working project to a SVN repo, and imported it to my other machine from there Jul 30 09:49:24 Running and installing it on my main machine works perfectly fine Jul 30 09:49:45 but on this one, I get those Exceptions Jul 30 09:55:36 sonOfRa: notice how it tells you exactly what is wrong Jul 30 09:55:55 it didn't find the class, obviously Jul 30 09:56:11 but I have no idea that would happen, considering the project builds without a problem Jul 30 09:56:23 the class definitely DOES exist Jul 30 09:56:30 where is it defined? Jul 30 09:56:49 src/com.example.booleanevaluation.MainActivity Jul 30 09:57:08 o.O, you mean src/com/example/... Jul 30 09:57:17 yeah, obviously. Jul 30 09:57:21 i just used the package name Jul 30 09:59:08 The app works perfectly fine when starting it from the other computer. It's running on my phone right now Jul 30 09:59:22 I cannot run it from this machine though, neither emulator, nor real device Jul 30 10:00:17 try different simulator? Jul 30 10:01:56 wow. deleted and imported the project again for the third time, now it works O.o Jul 30 10:02:30 :D, maybe something cached by the IDE Jul 30 10:15:23 hi, Has anybody been able to get MediaPlayer.setSurface working with a GLSurfaceView?? I'm getting this error: E/MediaPlayerService( 143): setVideoSurfaceTexture failed: -22 Jul 30 10:21:48 What i tried is i have created 2 SIP extensions in my asterisk server , 1 is registered using sipdroid 2.7 on the Samsung Galaxy Y(Android 2.3.6) and another is registered using sipdroid 2.7 on Sony xperia Neo V (Android 4.0.4) and the test was on wifi. When i am trying to make call to each other then on Galaxy Y i am able to hear the audio perfect with all codecs but on xperia the audio is coming very low and i can hardly listen it. Can you plea Jul 30 10:25:10 I have a method that I want to also use as an onclick handler. It seems the method needs to take arg View v. What do I pass when NOT calling it from a button or the like? Jul 30 10:25:44 mbrevda: have the action separate from the onClick handler Jul 30 10:26:00 so that the handler simply calls "doAction()" when it it triggered Jul 30 10:26:15 and when you'd like to call it yourself. simply call doAction() Jul 30 10:26:57 I'm using the new master/detail flow application template from ADT20, and when i'm on a phone it switches between actual activities which works great, but when i'm on a tablet it loads the fragment from activity B so everything looks Great, but my behind an action bar button is missing -- because it's from activity B. Is there a way to have activity A utilize methods and logic from Activity B when activity B is never physically Jul 30 10:28:36 danharibo: so two separate methods, where one calls the other? Jul 30 10:28:48 yes Jul 30 10:29:15 thanks Jul 30 10:35:12 I'm using queryIntentActivities it works well with ACTION_MAIN but when I use ACTION_SEND (which works well with createChooser) It returns an empty list Jul 30 11:07:07 does anybody know how to do the group chat in android? Jul 30 11:07:37 as a user? Jul 30 11:07:57 ya through coding? Jul 30 11:08:13 I don't think gtalk really has any onboard APIs, does it? Jul 30 11:08:52 Leeds: I am using the Smack API for instant messages Jul 30 11:09:14 and i also want to using the Smack API make possible to group chat Jul 30 11:09:20 then surely that's a question for Smack, not Android? Jul 30 11:09:47 okay Jul 30 11:10:09 jagruti_: with the Smack API, you create a new Chat or GroupChat object, depending on who you want to talk to Jul 30 11:10:36 but yeah/10 Jul 30 11:11:05 tinyhippo: thx your reply but can u provide me some helkp Jul 30 11:11:09 help* Jul 30 11:11:57 jagruti_: look up examples and the documentation for the Smack API GroupChat object, and you will be able to help yourself Jul 30 11:13:31 I have refered the Smack api example and through which i have created the room and also join the user but i cant send the same message to all user who are in same group Jul 30 11:14:17 tinnyhippo:if you have any helpfull material or link then please suggest me Jul 30 11:15:21 tinnuhippo: and also from Smack API Groupchat example some code is not working in android like message listener Jul 30 11:24:18 hungry Jul 30 11:24:22 hippos Jul 30 11:25:06 tiny Jul 30 11:25:09 hungry Jul 30 11:25:11 hippos Jul 30 11:25:14 eating your toes Jul 30 11:25:29 working robots, happy robots Jul 30 11:31:59 Hey, can I have more than two files in the APK Expansion ? Jul 30 11:33:00 you can put any numbers of files in the expansion Jul 30 11:33:11 but there can only be two expansion files Jul 30 11:33:16 which is probably what you are asking Jul 30 11:33:29 don't throw everything into a zip and then unizp it and delete it Jul 30 11:33:36 the expansion will just get downloaded again Jul 30 11:33:51 !!! Jul 30 11:34:42 If I delete the downloaded files it will redownload them??? Jul 30 11:35:09 /8/2 Jul 30 11:37:22 mikedg: I have a lot of small files, they add up to 80 mb.. that means I cant use APK Expansion (without zip)? Jul 30 11:44:28 If your application doesn't demand a specific format, we suggest you create ZIP files for your expansion files, then read them using the APK Expansion Zip Library. Jul 30 11:44:34 http://developer.android.com/guide/google/play/expansion-files.html#ZipLib Jul 30 11:44:49 great guide for expansions, http://developer.android.com/guide/google/play/expansion-files.html Jul 30 11:51:35 How can I post some data to a webserver? Just a string or something Jul 30 11:53:09 using HTTP... Jul 30 11:53:56 mikedg: but before u said "don't throw everything into a zip and then unizp it and delete it" .. u mean I musnt remove the .zip file after extracting it/ Jul 30 11:54:44 Drager: http://android-developers.blogspot.hk/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html Jul 30 11:54:53 Leeds: thanks Jul 30 11:58:19 Hey people. Jul 30 11:58:44 Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I can't find any good explanation on how to use tabs with fragments the proper way. Jul 30 11:59:18 So, I have a fragment, and inside of that I want to have a tab bar at the top (created dynamically) and some content below that. What's the right way to do this? Jul 30 11:59:33 I only know the deprecated tabactivities... Jul 30 11:59:48 action bar Jul 30 11:59:50 Can you give me some key words to help me with my search? Jul 30 11:59:53 No, not action bar Jul 30 12:00:05 yes, action bar Jul 30 12:00:11 The action bar already contains tabs, but in one of its tabs, I need more tabs. Jul 30 12:00:18 oh boy Jul 30 12:00:22 Yes, I know. Jul 30 12:00:33 But I can't change it, it's absolutely required by the customer. Jul 30 12:00:44 i think i remember talkin about this previously Jul 30 12:00:57 Actually I need three layers of tabs, the bottom ones need to swipe like in the play store. Jul 30 12:01:02 Yeah, I was here on friday. Jul 30 12:01:12 the only thing i can recommend is making your own tab widget Jul 30 12:01:33 Shouldn't it be possible with the normal tab widget? (though i can't find any useful info on that) Jul 30 12:01:48 Just use either tabhost or textviews in a linearlayout Jul 30 12:01:59 i put tabs in your tabso you can tab while you tab Jul 30 12:02:05 that's just a tab bar Jul 30 12:02:10 I mean, my idea is this: actionbar contains fragments, one fragment contains a tab widget at the top and a viewpager below, the viewpager contains a swipable tab widget and a viewpager below which reacts to the swipes. Jul 30 12:02:27 you need TabWidget + container + fragments Jul 30 12:02:36 "container"? Jul 30 12:02:48 a place for the fragments to live Jul 30 12:02:57 just put some fucking buttons up Jul 30 12:03:03 that sounds like fragments inside fragments? Jul 30 12:03:09 actually, you can't have fragments in gragments Jul 30 12:03:45 so the tab widget is basically just buttons which control a viewpager, right? Jul 30 12:04:05 it's typically attached to a TabHost Jul 30 12:04:26 I thought tabhost was deprecated? Or is this something separate from tabhostactivity/tabactivity? Jul 30 12:04:51 i assume you can use it separately, i don't know why you couldn't, but i've never tried Jul 30 12:05:35 so the actionbartab contains a fragment, which contains a tabwidget and a tabhost, the tabhost contains another tabwidget and tabhost? Jul 30 12:05:45 (With a viewpager) Jul 30 12:06:21 maybe try it, i'd bet you're going to run into some problems with it Jul 30 12:06:22 Well, I'll read up on fragment container first and see how far I get with this. Thanks for your ideas. Jul 30 12:06:46 My fear is that something on the outside of the layout will make it impossible to swipe the lower tabs. Jul 30 12:06:52 i won a gold medal this weekend in Androiding Jul 30 12:07:02 i'd get a new customer ;) Jul 30 12:07:09 :D Jul 30 12:07:32 Maybe I should ask on stack overflow how to fix my customer ;) Jul 30 12:07:52 mikedg: I was thinking of you this weekend... gf is giving me heavy pressure to get a cat, we compromised on a couple of guinea pigs... went to see some at a shelter, she vetoed them because they look too much like rats Jul 30 12:08:04 :| Jul 30 12:08:12 rats are cooler than guinea pigs Jul 30 12:08:16 go play with some Jul 30 12:08:29 and she can tie pink bows on their tails Jul 30 12:08:55 I did suggest that, but it got extra-vetoed... apparently they had rats come into their place sometimes when she was young, and it's left her less than appreciative of small rodents Jul 30 12:09:50 then get a snake! :P Jul 30 12:10:29 suggested that too - she wants warm and furry Jul 30 12:10:31 You can add a ping bow to the snake as well! Jul 30 12:11:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_glider Jul 30 12:11:47 what about those guys Jul 30 12:11:52 not rodents Jul 30 12:12:32 they seem to be a pain in the ass, although I had considered them prior to getting rats Jul 30 12:12:39 same niche, same claws Jul 30 12:13:04 all the furry animals have claws Jul 30 12:13:05 even bunnies Jul 30 12:13:11 bunnies are boring as shit though Jul 30 12:13:31 and smelly Jul 30 12:13:48 she suggested a bunny today - I've got nothing against bunnies, but I do have something against keeping them in a 4th floor flat, where they'll never see grasss Jul 30 12:14:23 she sounds like a pain in the ass Jul 30 12:14:27 dumb her and get some rats Jul 30 12:15:19 annoying Jul 30 12:19:23 I have an activity with a fragment, both edit the same model. I send the ID of the model to the fragment via a bundle when instantiating it. Problem is that if either of them updates the model without loading the latest version of the model it can overwrite changes made by the other. Jul 30 12:19:30 If I want to avoid reloading the model each time I update it, what is the best way to go? I'm thinking of using the same model object for both and adding a setModel method to my fragment, is this a good way to go or is there a better way? Jul 30 12:22:42 Or perhaps I should let the activity be in charge of updating the model and just send a message from the fragment to the activity somehow? Jul 30 12:23:29 argh, is there no way to open an SQLiteDatabase if it's missing the android metadata? Jul 30 12:25:35 ah, it was a matter of flags... Jul 30 12:25:59 SQLiteDatabase.NO_LOCALIZED_COLLATORS Jul 30 12:31:58 I've trying to use actionbar sherlock, done everything like in demo for simple activity. but my activity still has no action bar. I've use intellij community 11, added lib as module, include dependencies. Set target to API level 15 build thith it. And nothing :( Jul 30 12:32:02 How can I send multiple strings to server? Jul 30 12:32:10 or a file and a string or a integer? Jul 30 12:32:52 server? Jul 30 12:33:12 to a http server Jul 30 12:33:20 For now I can send one string Jul 30 12:33:30 I want to send a file and a string to the same server Jul 30 12:35:20 multipart form Jul 30 12:35:57 Drager: have you tried reading the docs or even google? Jul 30 12:36:11 appel1: Yes sir Jul 30 12:36:21 googled like a maniac Jul 30 12:36:27 Drager: and you could find nothing about sending data to a http server? Jul 30 12:36:28 Content-type: multipart/form-data Jul 30 12:36:42 appel1: Ofc I did, but not how to send multiple strings Jul 30 12:36:59 Drager: what have you tried? Jul 30 12:47:45 Hmpf. I can't get tabs to work at all. Does anyone know a good tutorial for tabs using fragments, but outside of the actionbar? Jul 30 12:48:24 What I'm struggling with the most is the lack of a good tutorial. Jul 30 12:49:25 If I want to have 4 tabs in a fragment, what do I have to do? Something in onCreate? Or in onCreateView? Hm. Jul 30 12:49:45 you want tabs in a fragment? Jul 30 12:49:55 how would you put any other view in a fragment Jul 30 12:49:59 do that but use tabs Jul 30 12:52:54 Well, I don't know about that, guess I'll read the fragments docs first. Jul 30 13:07:15 Solved it with multipart thanks wongk Jul 30 13:07:52 hello everyone! Jul 30 13:07:58 Hey Jul 30 13:08:17 I noticed something strange while doing some drawing on Android Jul 30 13:08:31 maybe someone is experienced with that here Jul 30 13:08:59 with strange things? Jul 30 13:09:01 e.g. women? Jul 30 13:09:28 thanks Jul 30 13:09:42 I did a very basic application for drawing with the finger (onTouchEvent, store coordinates and invalidate the View after each onTouchEvent). I get different result between galaxy s2 and asus transformer tablet Jul 30 13:10:23 looks like the Asus tablet doesn't care of the Cap / Join styles. I set ROUND for both and only the galaxy s2 use it ROUND Jul 30 13:11:47 i was expecting the same result on both Jul 30 13:12:14 shibakaneki: i can confirm that issue Jul 30 13:12:28 great Jul 30 13:12:34 shibakaneki: on some emulators i get other results Jul 30 13:13:00 hum... do you have any idea on a way to resolve it? Jul 30 13:13:44 shibakaneki: we used a sample from the android sdk - that didn't work Jul 30 13:14:08 shibakaneki: so we decided to create our own strokes e.g. by painting circles and pixels Jul 30 13:14:29 that's what I was thinking... Jul 30 13:14:42 what a pain ^^' Jul 30 13:14:49 it might be a device "isue" or a android version issue Jul 30 13:14:50 no idea Jul 30 13:15:13 yes, maybe Google will fix that in the next versions Jul 30 13:15:16 anyway i voted against that finger paint stuff for our app :) Jul 30 13:15:33