**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 31 02:59:59 2012 Jul 31 03:02:37 someone do something fun Jul 31 04:25:03 <_genuser_> hello folks. Jul 31 04:25:08 <_genuser_> I'm new android dev. trying to implement ViewPager using FragmentPagerAdapter. Every sample code block I copy from the android.com reference material comes up with some unresolvable references. Jul 31 04:25:21 <_genuser_> target android 2.2.1 Jul 31 04:25:37 <_genuser_> example: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/view/ViewPager.html Jul 31 04:25:54 <_genuser_> ActionBar is just not resolvable using the compatibility libs that I've included. Jul 31 04:33:46 I'm looiking for someone who has experience with mobile programming (android based) and protocol/encryption. I pay well, msg me if you're interested to hear more details. Jul 31 04:34:35 don't advertise jobs Jul 31 04:37:52 <_genuser_> anybody got a reference to a complete viewpager implementation using FragmentPagerAdapter? The samples don't have anything to show that either. Jul 31 04:38:28 the support library sample does Jul 31 04:38:38 SDK/extras/android/support/v4/sample/ Jul 31 04:44:22 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: I see some files in android-sdk\extras\android\support\samples\Support4Demos\src\com\example\android\supportv4\app, all .java files. all seem relevant. I'll view those in eclipse and hope to see if any imports were missed. thanks for the pointer. Jul 31 04:59:16 currently running cyanogenmod 7.2 stable on htc evo shit (sprint). Whenever I reboot my phone, I always receive a ghost notification for voicemail messages, but I have 0 messages. I tried contacting sprint, and they cleated my messages inbox, and still receive the ghost message when using default SMS and voicemail app. so i had to resort to using googlevoice and enable the box to receive Jul 31 04:59:16 messages via googlevoice; but dont really want to have an additional app to disable that notification everytime I reboot my phone. any ideas? Jul 31 04:59:47 Quagmire3: for fuck sake, again Jul 31 04:59:52 read the damn topic Jul 31 05:01:58 i thought thats where i am suppose to go for root/custom ROMs..I am already rooted, and already have a custom rom. I was told to come here from android .. so sowwwwy Jul 31 05:03:30 #android is the place to ask those questions Jul 31 05:08:28 lol, g00s sounds like he needs a coffee Jul 31 05:09:28 Naish: i just had a standoff with 4 javelinas. almost had to fight them off with my bare hands :) Jul 31 05:09:33 well, rocks in my hands Jul 31 05:12:06 i need a relaxant Jul 31 05:13:43 Do any devs here work on any open source android games? Jul 31 05:16:30 oi Jul 31 05:17:25 oi ron_frown Jul 31 05:17:41 finish the porch ? Jul 31 05:18:47 hahah no Jul 31 05:19:00 I've been working on my truck and my new(old) boat Jul 31 05:19:18 porch is slated for this weekend, and I've got help on its way too Jul 31 05:19:41 have you taken the boat out yet ? Jul 31 05:21:13 nah Jul 31 05:21:26 I had to rebuild carbs and put a new powerpack in it Jul 31 05:21:45 it fires up but water is seeping out of the heads, which means new head gaskets, but thats an easy job on that thing Jul 31 05:21:47 carbs are bad for you Jul 31 05:22:03 its been 3yr since it ran, and I got a 3-5k boat for 1k Jul 31 05:22:04 or at least that's what the 900 women's magazines in checkout lines tell me Jul 31 05:22:11 because the dude didnt know anything about fixing motors =0 Jul 31 05:24:42 I love having skills Jul 31 05:25:25 COME ON 60meg internet! Jul 31 05:25:40 surely you can snag mountain lion faster than 5k/sec Jul 31 05:27:41 i'm going to let you try it out before i do :) Jul 31 05:28:08 but by the time your dl finishes, snow koala will be ready or something Jul 31 05:28:25 snow... koala? Jul 31 05:28:37 i'll just take 10.7.5, and then hop on board after their first .1 release :) Jul 31 05:28:42 Drakonite: :D Jul 31 05:29:15 I jumped on lion when it first came out... wasnt too bad Jul 31 05:29:52 there were a few littl things that didnt just wokr out of box Jul 31 05:29:54 but Jul 31 05:31:34 they got 3 million downloads in 4days, so lots of people are trying it out Jul 31 05:32:17 pft Jul 31 05:32:28 Opensuse > all Jul 31 05:32:49 hehe, i tried opensuse for like 10 minutes Jul 31 05:33:01 i think i just went to ubuntu after that Jul 31 05:33:50 i wonder if Tolvalds still uses it Jul 31 05:34:28 he threw that little tantrum a few months ago about some aspect of it Jul 31 05:44:14 about unity Jul 31 05:44:17 and I agree with him Jul 31 05:44:29 each subsequent release of unity tries to change the linux desktop a huge amount Jul 31 05:44:35 and its not like its really customizabl Jul 31 05:44:52 its not like you can tweak it to be as little or as much like traditional gnome desktop Jul 31 05:46:15 i was just reading the gnome guys are in trouble Jul 31 05:46:27 like, there are hardly any devs working on it Jul 31 05:46:34 mostly just a few RH employees Jul 31 05:48:45 doesnt really surprise me Jul 31 05:49:07 shocker, everyone complains about an open source project not being developed enough, nobody actually contributes Jul 31 05:49:16 hello all Jul 31 05:50:41 haa Jul 31 05:51:29 I am hoping wayland / weston encourages people to continue forward in the linux desktop world Jul 31 05:53:41 <_genuser_> man this whole pager tab strip thing is too fragile. Jul 31 05:54:39 yeah it pretty much sucks :P Jul 31 05:54:45 btw Jul 31 05:54:52 anyone seen async task jsut up and fail Jul 31 05:54:58 it seems like the backend is still functional Jul 31 05:55:03 but never calls onpostexecute, etc Jul 31 05:55:46 the one potential oddity there being Jul 31 05:55:51 _genuser_: might I suggest you try http://viewpagerindicator.com Jul 31 05:55:59 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: reviewing it more makes it obviously more familiar and easier to debug. but initial copy/paste from samples folder, really breaks it. Jul 31 05:56:06 I try and fire the async task from a dialog Jul 31 05:56:19 whihc I cant see why it'd be a problem Jul 31 05:56:25 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: yeah I saw that one. I was hoping to stay within google issued API and also spend a little time learning the nitty gritty of android development. Jul 31 05:56:51 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: it's like when people tell me .net is complicated. since I use it, I just don't see their point. but now I am thinking android is complicated. Jul 31 05:56:58 meh, pager title strip is a half-assed afterthought in its current iteration Jul 31 05:57:14 <_genuser_> hopefully more debugging, more code analysis will make it easier. Jul 31 05:57:16 even Google doesn't use it in their apps Jul 31 05:57:26 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: I thought tho. What's the thing used in the play store? Jul 31 05:57:35 A custom control Jul 31 05:57:45 <_genuser_> I like the play store tabbed/swipe interface. Jul 31 05:58:08 <_genuser_> going for a simple 4 tab/ with listboxes app. but the effort has been already paying. it's starting to make sense. Jul 31 05:58:19 <_genuser_> it meaning the google android app setup. Jul 31 05:58:37 yep. only want to learn is to dig in and start experimenting Jul 31 05:59:13 <_genuser_> :). it's always nice to anything with a freenode community. it's so much easier to weed out "doh" moments. Jul 31 05:59:30 <_genuser_> back to reading docs. Jul 31 06:02:14 read read read Jul 31 06:02:29 so anyone heard any weird shenanigans with the asynctask? Jul 31 06:04:00 a rogue AsyncTask murdered my father and raped my mother Jul 31 06:04:19 mine in this one case seem like they are losing context Jul 31 06:04:26 and the postexecute tasks arent fired Jul 31 06:04:45 I mean I can put tracing in doInBackground() and I see it show up Jul 31 06:04:51 it just never makes it back Jul 31 06:05:11 oh shit Jul 31 06:05:15 I think I might know why Jul 31 06:06:23 anyone done anything with bt in android? Jul 31 06:07:59 i have Jul 31 06:09:55 g00s - couple quick questions... I hope... theoretically I can pair with multiple devices simutaneously, right/ Jul 31 06:10:33 and as I recall there was facilities for a serial comm channel Jul 31 06:10:49 hmm, trying to remember. the inquiry scan will show the list of devices Jul 31 06:11:07 Hi. How can I use an empty ImageView in my layout? I am using the camera app to click a picture for me, the bitmap version of which I want to show in an ImageView. When I try to create one using the eclipse plugin, it asks me for a drawable resource, which I do not want to specify while UI creation. Jul 31 06:11:15 i think in newer versions of android you can say, do an inquiry can of devices with 'x', like rfcomm Jul 31 06:11:38 yes, rfcomm works. use the ruight uuid Jul 31 06:11:53 one question. what is the proper way to read all infors in the calendar ??? Jul 31 06:12:37 well technically I just need bt mac Jul 31 06:12:48 bu I figured if I could do something a bit more secure than that, that would be better Jul 31 06:14:18 i'm kinda pissed android 4.1 still doesn't have support for BT low power Jul 31 06:14:35 haha Jul 31 06:14:37 it can =) Jul 31 06:14:50 it just has older bluez Jul 31 06:14:58 I saw some company added a shitload of new profiles Jul 31 06:15:04 for medical devices and what not Jul 31 06:15:11 cool Jul 31 06:15:28 from what i understand, wp8 will have it, ios already does Jul 31 06:15:37 what would you do with it Jul 31 06:15:38 word perfect 8? Jul 31 06:16:09 we do lots of lower power device monitoring, but not with bt Jul 31 06:16:13 with zigby Jul 31 06:16:22 g00s: you could contribute it Jul 31 06:16:40 I am pretty certain its already in bluez later build Jul 31 06:16:44 ron_frown: ZigBee :) Jul 31 06:16:49 yeyah Jul 31 06:17:04 there would need to be framework changes too, i would imagine Jul 31 06:17:08 it was honestly abuse of the hardware protocols Jul 31 06:17:20 g00s - I dont know... but I may be willing to commit that for you Jul 31 06:17:25 I'm going to be in there working on other bt shit Jul 31 06:18:00 there are profiles I need in later bluez and probably will have to add additional shit to android framework to support it Jul 31 06:18:46 ron_frown: from what i understand, a lot of phones actually have it, android just doesn't support it out of the box; its like you said, you can hack it for custom hw Jul 31 06:18:58 actually have the bt lp chipsets, that is Jul 31 06:19:06 wow wtf? Jul 31 06:19:17 it looks like its been in bluez for a long time Jul 31 06:19:23 it may just need wrapping in android framework Jul 31 06:19:32 since end of 2010 Jul 31 06:20:23 well in anycase I am going to be looking into it in the very near future Jul 31 06:20:29 cool ron_frown Jul 31 06:21:14 I know getting aquainted with network manager and shit was... a bit of a learning curve when I was patching in eth support Jul 31 06:25:44 ron_frown: did you say some manufacturer added their own ZigBee support to android ? Jul 31 06:25:52 no no Jul 31 06:25:53 that would be fucking cool too Jul 31 06:25:57 oh Jul 31 06:25:58 thats for other shit we do at the office Jul 31 06:26:07 stuff I dont have anything to do with =) Jul 31 06:26:33 I just know we send wya more data than those devices were designed to transmit Jul 31 06:26:40 I guess theres a lot of chatter and latency Jul 31 06:43:02 anyone here fiddled with how webview text sizes and textsize dp on textview relate? Jul 31 06:47:57 Hello guys, I was trying out a test app which is using MapView, I found out that offline MapView is not working, it doesn't show a map. While using Google Maps does work offline. Does anyone know why? Jul 31 06:48:14 mapview isnt googlemaps? Jul 31 06:48:30 i wouldn't be surprised if google maps in't even … yeah, using mapview Jul 31 06:48:49 ron_frown, come on, google maps is just another app with MapView. Jul 31 06:48:51 according to romainguy a while back Jul 31 06:48:57 it was absolutely not the same Jul 31 06:49:02 I cached a big area for offline use. Jul 31 06:49:04 mapview was missing a ton of shit form google maps Jul 31 06:49:23 tile drawing was totally different Jul 31 06:49:40 mapview does not support offline caching Jul 31 06:50:19 ron_frown, ok, so MapView is not using the cache map at all? It's like preventing other parties to build a navigation app using cached maps. Jul 31 06:50:35 Number5: you can use OSM :) Jul 31 06:50:36 I dont think that was the intention for the differences there Jul 31 06:50:43 SimonVT, ok, can you give me a reference please? Jul 31 06:50:45 I honestly prefer osm for the appearance of the maps Jul 31 06:50:59 and honestly OSM somteimes has more up to date information Jul 31 06:51:19 g00s, hmmm, OSM is nice, but haven't tried it yet. Jul 31 06:51:32 Number5: Google it Jul 31 06:51:57 SimonVT, ok, I was afraid you would say it. Jul 31 06:52:29 plus the sky is the limit as far as appearances and shit go Jul 31 06:52:53 cloudmade has a style generator that lets you generate osm tiles with all sorts of appearance changes Jul 31 06:53:01 http://cloudmade.com/products/style-editor/gallery Jul 31 06:53:13 Also Jul 31 06:53:14 Ok, about those who are familiar with OSM, is there a possibility to download map data of an area to your storage and use it locally without being connected all the time? Jul 31 06:53:28 ron_frown, thnx Jul 31 06:53:39 "It's like preventing other parties to build a navigation app using cached maps" .. Make sure you're actually allowed to use gmaps for your own navigation software Jul 31 06:54:35 I am actually somewhat suprised people outside of major corporations even bother Jul 31 06:54:43

Hi everyone, I wanted to know if there's a way for me to know if a device that were connected throw usb to my android has disconnected? Jul 31 06:54:44 they don't stop people using the maps api to make their own navigation implementations… but it would cost a truckload to do Jul 31 06:54:47 there is so much bs licensing associated with most map tiles Jul 31 06:55:33 and the maps app uses a MapView, but a MapView isn't the maps app Jul 31 06:56:25 isn't that about their "all apps are created equally"? Jul 31 06:57:07 "but some are more equal than others?" Jul 31 06:57:12 :) Jul 31 06:57:16 haha, i was just going to say that Jul 31 06:57:41 don't all of google apps use the same api? Jul 31 06:58:21 Doubt it Jul 31 06:58:47 SimonVT, I don't make a navigation software, but I want something like Waze kind of app. Jul 31 06:58:52 mmm i remember reading about google making a big deal about it… i maintain the right to be wrong Jul 31 06:59:19 Well, depends on what you mean by same api Jul 31 06:59:27 I'd imagine they build against aosp Jul 31 06:59:29 ron_frown, does OSM also has an api to show map that is stored locally, so I can use it offline? Jul 31 06:59:35 For all those nonpublic APIs Jul 31 06:59:36 uhh yeah Jul 31 06:59:45 osm is just a map data provider Jul 31 06:59:53 there are tile viewers for android/ios/etc Jul 31 07:00:04 but I think osmdroid was the one I used and it did let you view tiles offline Jul 31 07:01:00 tmho they arent the same apps Jul 31 07:01:03 for sure Jul 31 07:01:11 and the gapps source is not open Jul 31 07:02:12 i thought i read that while they didn't release the source for gapps, they were still made using the same apis available to the public Jul 31 07:02:16 Ok, thanks guys. I now have a better idea about maps, so it's time to google ;-) Jul 31 07:15:16 hi, where do i download just the support library source code? (that I can build myself)? Jul 31 07:15:32 if you downloaded the .jar, you got the sources too Jul 31 07:15:38 it's in your SDK folder Jul 31 07:15:47 hmm, thanks, let me check Jul 31 07:16:39 <_genuser_> beautiful! adding pagertabstrip leaves hte pages empty. Jul 31 07:17:13 <_genuser_> thinking of that viewpager third party control. Jul 31 07:18:05 JakeWharton, I have an issue with support library described here : https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34775, can you help? Jul 31 07:18:43 <_genuser_> lol, the control is called JakeWharton-Android-ViewPagerIndicator-2.3.1-0-g0439759 Jul 31 07:18:56 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: just realized that you wrote that control. Jul 31 07:19:29 I did indeed Jul 31 07:19:50 <_genuser_> so, did you make it pretty much imitate the play store control? Jul 31 07:20:23 the title indicator comes pretty close Jul 31 07:20:36 the play client team likes to change the behavior quite a bit in subtle ways Jul 31 07:20:59 <_genuser_> hehe, I used the docs and got the pagertabstrip working but it stopped the listboxes from showing on the pages, lol. Jul 31 07:21:09 <_genuser_> so I figured I'm looking at the control on viewpagerindicator.com Jul 31 07:21:21 <_genuser_> it's downloaded. :). Jul 31 07:21:48 <_genuser_> now just have to read the docs, and install it and add it. Jul 31 07:22:18 the sample app is probably the best form of documentation Jul 31 07:22:27 <_genuser_> it's part of the download? Jul 31 07:22:40 yep Jul 31 07:22:48 <_genuser_> extracting. Jul 31 07:22:50 there's the library folder and a sample folder Jul 31 07:23:20 <_genuser_> was really hoping for a great UI designer like MS does and to just put code behind in java files. Jul 31 07:23:56 <_genuser_> but it seems like the xml manual manipulation along with layout files and .java files along with res files is the way to go. Jul 31 07:24:07 <_genuser_> it's already seeming a lot easier to view than before. Jul 31 07:24:27 <_genuser_> woohoo, .gitignore. I see you using git there. Jul 31 07:25:08 quite religiously Jul 31 07:25:41 <_genuser_> hehe, I use hg, but close enough I suppose. you might not think so. Jul 31 07:25:49 <_genuser_> team foundation server just won't cut it. Jul 31 07:25:55 I'm not fond of the branching model of mercurial Jul 31 07:26:12 well, the four (last time I checked) of them Jul 31 07:26:33 <_genuser_> I don't branch much, so straight forward tagging, versioning seems to do it fine. Jul 31 07:27:16 <_genuser_> for customer based projects, branching seems to be better to branch from baseline product, but meh, some customers require clean cut from the baseline. Jul 31 07:27:54 I do every feature on a branch and then merge to my integration branch once it's stable Jul 31 07:28:04 when I release I merge that tag into the master branch Jul 31 07:28:22 <_genuser_> oh wow, quite a bit of files in the sample. won't be an overnight thing I see. :) Jul 31 07:28:51 <_genuser_> I suppose I never used branching much so never found it easy to incorporate into the main code. Jul 31 07:29:12 <_genuser_> mainly because I didn't like merging back and having to read all the code while merging just to be sure. Jul 31 07:29:41 git makes branching easy Jul 31 07:29:45 That's why it's awesome Jul 31 07:30:07 and merging Jul 31 07:30:08 <_genuser_> but interesting approach, so you branch off for each feature even parallel feature development. and merge individual into mainline? Jul 31 07:30:22 everything happens on a branch Jul 31 07:30:53 <_genuser_> I was really thinking of using branching for each customer to customer the baseline for the customer and only mreging back bug fixes in the base libs if any. Jul 31 07:30:56 I probably make and destroy 10 to 15 branches a day Jul 31 07:31:08 <_genuser_> or any customer feature that make into the baseline. Jul 31 07:31:19 <_genuser_> guess will give it another go. Jul 31 07:31:44 <_genuser_> using VSS will make you thinking linear. Jul 31 07:32:06 <_genuser_> it was easy putting a label and hacking the thing. and if it break, check out last working label, re-attempt feature. Jul 31 07:32:34 <_genuser_> BaseSampleActivity.java, is that a good one to start with? Jul 31 07:32:45 no Jul 31 07:32:55 that's a base class for all of the samples Jul 31 07:34:05 <_genuser_> I see SampleTabsDefault looks like what I'd like to use. Jul 31 07:53:02 hi. Im trying to build an app with a listview + adaptor. Now a need to add a headerview but my cuestion is if the call must be in adaptor.class or in the main activity?. Jul 31 07:53:22 im following this example http://stackoverflow.com/a/6121296 Jul 31 07:53:50 In your activity/fragment Jul 31 07:53:56 Before you set the adapter Jul 31 07:54:26 thx so much SimonVT Jul 31 07:56:07 !seen Jakewarton Jul 31 07:57:12 thepoosh: no bots - he was around 20-something minutes ago Jul 31 07:57:25 Leeds: thanks Jul 31 07:57:35 I'm too used to my native channel Jul 31 07:57:37 :P Jul 31 08:01:38 rofl at this lint Jul 31 08:01:54 everything with the word Handler in it gets bitched about Jul 31 08:02:43 even when you supress, it bitches about the world Handle in the commented out write up Jul 31 08:03:18 i have an idea for a mobile app, where I would like to allow end-user customization, adding various graphical widgets. i'm wondering if it would be feasible to do js+canvas or js+svg to display these things. Jul 31 08:03:25 like dials/gauges in real time Jul 31 08:03:53 or would that stuff be a bit slow on the phone Jul 31 08:10:00 SimonVT, please can check my onCreate method for addheader implementation? http://pastebin.com/8RGcCgZH Jul 31 08:12:06 hi guys, does it seem normal to have an actionbar that holds multipul ListFragments? Jul 31 08:12:32 meaning, many lists, and clicking on each list will go to a different fragment Jul 31 08:16:50 can anyone help me with this addheader implementation please? http://pastebin.com/8RGcCgZH Jul 31 08:53:17 dafuq? my app is crashing on HttpsURLConnection.getOutputStream() without any stack trace in logcat. I am doing it with wrong url (herp.derp.comx), to find which exception to catch and display some nice error message to user, but the app just crashes without showing me which exception to catch. Jul 31 08:54:04 there is just "W/dalvikvm(21201): threadid=11: thread exiting with uncaught exception (group=0x40a371f8)" Jul 31 09:02:40 Pitel: hm that's pretty nasty. Jul 31 09:03:03 Try catching it Jul 31 09:03:22 I tired catching any throwable and logging it, but nothing came out :( Jul 31 09:03:54 Weird thing is, the normal (non-https_ version has a checked exception: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/net/HttpURLConnection.html Jul 31 09:04:40 HDroid: I have it my custom SOAP class, which has IOException as "throws" attribute, so it should bubble up, right? Jul 31 09:05:05 If it's actually thrown and not caught by the underlying code. Jul 31 09:05:26 What's the correct way to end/stop an emulator? Jul 31 09:05:36 Just pressing the "x" at the top right and let him crash? :D Jul 31 09:05:49 spobat: yeah why not Jul 31 09:06:05 maybe the snapshot lock doesent get removed that way. Jul 31 09:16:05 Can anyone help me with this addheaderview implementation please? http://pastebin.com/JwTjBxQ5 Jul 31 09:17:04 HDroid: hmm, it's catched int the code above, but Log.w(getActivity().getString(R.string.app_name), e); just shows nothing. o_O Jul 31 09:22:11 Hi, how can I *define* a custom view in XML? Jul 31 09:22:35 basically I have a class MyWidget which has several views in it (i.e. imageview textview) Jul 31 09:22:52 I want to lay the view out in xml Jul 31 09:23:26 but so that when I call 'new MyWidget()' a view is created, with the layout defined in the XML file Jul 31 09:28:01 you inflate it Jul 31 09:28:04 hmm, I guess it should crash on URL("herp.derp.comx").openConnection()... Jul 31 09:29:45 hehe Jul 31 09:29:47 herp derp Jul 31 09:34:39 I am a standard GridView with 4 columns - vertical scrolling. I want to move to a ViewPager UI with horizontal swipes. Can I use my existing Data Adapter with ViewPager -OR- does ViewPager work more like a ViewSwitcher? Jul 31 09:34:48 *I am on a Jul 31 09:39:30 anyone up? Jul 31 09:39:36 Hi Jul 31 09:43:37 <_Arne> test Jul 31 09:44:02 question, what's some gadgets I could make for an android phone Jul 31 09:56:53 anyone else experiencing the building of the workspace/installing apps is extremely slow, when referencing extrnal libraries? eclipse just ran out of memory, after i used antlr to process my input Jul 31 09:58:08 <_Arne> Hello everybody, I have a problem with a VideoView. I'm trying to make a VideoView bigger than the size of my screen by overriding onMeasure in the VideoView. This works on most devices I tested on (Nexus One, HTC Wildfire, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1,...), but some devices refuse to resize the video (HTC Desire HD, Nexus S). The View is resized, since I tried to set a background. I'm completely out of ideas how to solve this, anybod Jul 31 09:58:08 <_Arne> y has another idea? 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Jul 31 10:16:28 "Reductio ad Hitlerum", i ... Jul 31 10:16:42 don't remember this logical fallacy in my text Jul 31 10:21:42 has noone ever tried to parse pcap files on an android device ? Jul 31 10:24:01 hello Jul 31 10:29:44 Whats is better JDBC connection or REST web service ? Jul 31 10:30:01 REST Jul 31 10:30:12 thanks Jul 31 10:30:14 JDBC was never meant for WAN latencies Jul 31 10:34:22 I allow myself to ask again - anyone knows of a possibilitie to parse network dumps (tcpdump -w) on android ? Jul 31 11:09:40 anyone else noticing eclipse becoming extremely slow with building workspace/installing app, when using external libraries? I referenced the ANTLR library to generate parser/lexer for a grammer I need, but ever since then, each run on the project takes more than 5 minutes Jul 31 11:12:58 Hello Guys, my viewAdapter.notifyDataSetChanged is not refreshing the listview in ICS Jul 31 11:13:11 any Idea why I can still see the old entries there? Jul 31 11:14:18 Cus you're doing it wrong Jul 31 11:14:52 sonOfRa: antlr on android? Jul 31 11:15:00 good luck with that :) Jul 31 11:15:14 it's working fine, but the build process is extremely slow Jul 31 11:15:40 People, some help :( Jul 31 11:15:53 so you have the antlr and stringtemplate jars in libs/ and the build takes forever ? Jul 31 11:16:22 the issue looks familiar to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11085888/android-ics-listview-refresh-issue Jul 31 11:16:34 antlr-3.4-complete jar Jul 31 11:17:20 if i recall, that actually includes new antlr, st, and the old version of antlr that st depends on Jul 31 11:17:25 (circular dependency) Jul 31 11:17:33 how complicated is your grammar ? Jul 31 11:17:40 very simplet Jul 31 11:17:48 try ragel instead :) Jul 31 11:17:49 boolean expressions or/xor/and/not/value Jul 31 11:18:29 well, ragel has certain limitations .. you will have to see if your grammar works ok with it Jul 31 11:18:35 alright, ill have a look at it Jul 31 11:18:36 it won't really handle recursive structures well Jul 31 11:19:59 that might be a problem Jul 31 11:20:24 also, why do they put out jars with circular dependencies inside ?! Jul 31 11:20:53 stringtemplate depends on antlr, and antlr depends on st :) Jul 31 11:21:12 the st grammar is parsed by antlr of course Jul 31 11:23:05 hi all Jul 31 11:23:09 the antlr website still looks terrible Jul 31 11:23:19 its been a few years since i used it Jul 31 11:24:20 one question: i have an ArrayList which is populated by code and it's shown in a ListView....... the problem is that chaning device orientation, ArrayList contents are lost.... why? Jul 31 11:24:33 sonOfRa: are you using the specific android port of antlr ? Jul 31 11:24:52 there is a specific android port? (no i don't) Jul 31 11:25:58 Miles8of9: on Orientation change Activity is destroyed and recreated Jul 31 11:26:13 Miles8of9: changing orientation recreates the view, so you should repopulate your list Jul 31 11:26:38 sonOfRa: yeah, see http://www.antlr.org/ … buttom under 'file sharing' headline Jul 31 11:27:17 ok... i think i should pass ArrayList through onSaveInstanceState .... but i see i can only pass strings, int, etc... not objects like an ArrayList Jul 31 11:27:25 (is it correct?) Jul 31 11:28:01 I'm trying to figure out the xml needed to place a bookmark (link) icon on the homescreen, anyone know how to find this information? Jul 31 11:29:57 g00s, it seems to include quite a few makefiles, am i safe to ignore those? I'm on a windows machine atm Jul 31 11:30:21 sonOfRa: yeah, those are for creating a system library distributed with android … wierd Jul 31 11:30:35 there is a readme.txt - just make a jar of the files there Jul 31 11:30:58 wish there was more info on what the android port entails :/ Jul 31 11:31:13 Miles8of9: you can serialize it Jul 31 11:33:35 SimonVT: somebody needs your help ! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4316334 Jul 31 11:36:26 hah Jul 31 11:37:55 Building - ONLY WHEN ADDING ANTLR TO THE ANDROID SOURCE CODE Jul 31 11:37:55 -> Meaning modifying the OS itself?! The langauge in the readme seems quite ambigouos to me Jul 31 11:39:40 hemanshu: i'm noob i've never serialized an ArrayList... does it implement serializable interface so i can serialize it on the fly? Jul 31 11:40:08 yeah as long as the objects inside it are serializable Jul 31 11:40:26 You should make the objects parcelable instead of serializable Jul 31 11:40:37 google it Jul 31 11:41:22 hmmm.. parcelable... Jul 31 11:41:55 I was considering that Jul 31 11:42:14 then I relized I could serialize my object into a string Jul 31 11:43:58 I usually use Jackson to serialize and deserialize to json... much nicer pattern, most objects don't need any modification and it's refactor-safe. Jul 31 11:44:29 Then you realised parcelable is faster, remembered you are on a mobile platform, and quickly switched to it Jul 31 11:44:59 SimonVT: on the contrary, I realised mobile platforms are fast enough nowadays to make the speed difference negligable. Jul 31 11:45:06 I use JSON for storage in the MODE_PRIVATE area Jul 31 11:45:16 Should I considering putting it elsewhere? Jul 31 11:45:23 anyone knows how i can parse pcap files on an android device ? Jul 31 11:45:59 danharibo: dunno, do you have a reason for it? Jul 31 11:46:18 * tinyhippo tickles danharibo Jul 31 11:46:40 well it's just for recent and "stared" items Jul 31 11:46:46 Miles8of9: you can do it on the fly ..here you go http://pastebin.com/LCLksgnD Jul 31 11:47:09 * danharibo puts tinyhippo in a box Jul 31 11:48:01 SimonVT: What would be advantage of paracelable over serializable ? Jul 31 11:48:15 hemanshu: it's much faster Jul 31 11:48:39 danharibo: hmm.. I'll look it up Jul 31 11:54:35 i have a question for older android versionb 3.3 Jul 31 11:54:38 versions Jul 31 11:54:48 my app saves files to sd card Jul 31 11:55:09 but i can access die files first after i reboot the device Jul 31 11:55:31 is that a known issue Jul 31 11:55:47 or would an os update fix that? Jul 31 11:56:12 I'm facing issues with ListView update on ICS Jul 31 11:56:31 I've two workarounds that work I'm wondering which one will be less expensive Jul 31 11:57:02 a.) listview.setVisibility(View.GONE) and then View.VISIBLE Jul 31 11:57:04 b.) Jul 31 11:57:20 not use convertView inflate a new one each time Jul 31 11:58:12 For us to help you with your code, guess what we need Jul 31 11:59:12 a wizard's hat Jul 31 11:59:30 Payment Jul 31 11:59:39 anyone use run-jetty-run ? Jul 31 12:01:49 it can run stuff as web apps but i cant see the outputanywhere Jul 31 12:02:47 if I have a cursor that is the result of a query to a contentProvider, and put that cursor into a simpleCursorAdapter of a listView, the listView is updated every time anything changes in the contentProvider. if I'm running a large number of updates and insertions, the ui becomes unresponsive.. can I somehow disable syncing, and just call .notifyDatasetChanged by hand later? Jul 31 12:04:46 ecraven: that might become complicated: imagine scrolling through the listview Jul 31 12:04:51 ecraven: while the data changes.. Jul 31 12:04:54 You could use a cursorloader and throttle it Jul 31 12:05:03 the listview would have inconsisten data.. Jul 31 12:05:07 It even has a method for that Jul 31 12:09:06 Hi all Jul 31 12:09:43 a related question: same adapter, same listview, after scrolling around for a bit, I get "CursorWindow: Window is full: requested allocation ...." and there are noticable hickups in the UI. I can't find anything about this googling, do I somehow have to release cursor rows? Jul 31 12:10:10 SimonVT: thanks, i'll have a look at that, never heard of that class before Jul 31 12:10:28 Added in HC, available in support lib Jul 31 12:27:11 would anyone have any idea why my MapActvity gets slower after every close and open of the activity? Jul 31 12:27:20 has anyone had anything similar? Jul 31 12:29:46 Blou_Aap: off the top of my head, resource/memleak ? Jul 31 12:30:48 i'd definitely guess you're leaking the context Jul 31 12:30:56 hi all Jul 31 12:32:58 does anyone have a recommendation for an sdk that will deal with the server side comunication of a multiplayer real time game? Jul 31 12:33:25 i cant figure out if i can use googles gsm for a real time game comunication Jul 31 12:33:53 i meant gcm* Jul 31 12:34:22 j0e^: define realtime Jul 31 12:35:44 j0e^: GCM is meant to be very low bandwidth and may be high latency. Jul 31 12:35:54 I wouldn't recommend using it for anything realtime Jul 31 12:36:10 it might be reasonable if you're doing a play-by-email sort of game, and there's potentially minutes/hours between moves Jul 31 12:36:14 ��lov�� yea i just read its documantaion i doesnt seem to fit Jul 31 12:36:51 Frankly, if you're writing your own multiplayer game, you'll probably need to write your own multiplayer server. Jul 31 12:36:52 ��funktronic�� realtime.. for example a race where both of the players need to know the other player location at any given time Jul 31 12:37:00 no Jul 31 12:37:03 don't use it for that Jul 31 12:37:05 yeah. Jul 31 12:37:18 anything other than turn based games Jul 31 12:37:30 there was some old racing game when android first came out which had a neat trick. It used the ghost car for racing games, and just pulled driving data and replayed it. Jul 31 12:37:49