**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 10 02:59:59 2012 Aug 10 03:17:20 ok Aug 10 03:17:22 for the record Aug 10 03:17:40 android file transfer does NOT work for mountain lion Aug 10 03:23:09 oh I guess its a kernel thing Aug 10 03:23:10 boo Aug 10 03:33:38 i hope burner becomes available for android Aug 10 03:38:30 what is burner Aug 10 03:39:22 app for disposable phone numbers Aug 10 03:40:04 http://gigaom.com/2012/08/08/need-disposable-phone-numbers-burner-has-you-covered/ Aug 10 03:43:21 g00s, questionable utility. Aug 10 03:43:50 since there's no anonminity. Aug 10 03:45:04 thats ok. today i had to provide my ph# to craislist for verification, i would rather not have. Aug 10 03:45:12 *craigslist Aug 10 04:21:49 Yeah, I don't get how they managed to acocmplish throw away phone numbers. Aug 10 04:26:47 dude craigslist has gone ghetto Aug 10 04:26:57 their policies for data usage basically make it useless Aug 10 04:29:27 I use Google phone as mine. Aug 10 04:32:31 ron_frown: they actually changed that policy within the last day or so; but yeah its a ghetto. apparenty the guy gets a chuckle at how lame he can make the site while other attempts fail Aug 10 04:33:09 can you build apps that consume their data Aug 10 04:33:20 its not a good ux at all; and i don't mean from a visual design perspective. its bare the way Norman would prescribe; but its just a shitty ux all around Aug 10 04:33:24 I can understand some of their use cases Aug 10 05:06:28 hey guys. Those of you who have published apps, what have you done to get your apps noticed and downloaded ? Aug 10 05:10:36 hey Jak_o_Shadows Aug 10 05:10:39 JakeWharton: Aug 10 05:10:45 lol Aug 10 05:10:58 devslash: Aug 10 05:11:04 i hate when people have nicks that are almost the same as someone else Aug 10 05:11:36 seriously Aug 10 05:11:46 if i have to type more than two characters it should be a kick/ban Aug 10 05:12:33 Ja is very common.... Aug 10 05:19:30 do app updates count towards the graph shown on the Play web store? Aug 10 05:19:37 or is it fresh downloads only? Aug 10 05:24:53 i thought it was the number of total user installs that shows up in the console Aug 10 05:27:09 JakeWharton, I think it is fresh installs only Aug 10 05:27:26 i'm skeptical of that Aug 10 05:27:44 but i'd like to think that was true Aug 10 05:28:06 Because if it was not, I would almost double every time I put out an update Aug 10 05:29:41 true story Aug 10 05:30:36 I looked up Square on Techcrunch and it said Susan Wu was an advisor or something Aug 10 05:32:52 indeed Aug 10 05:36:16 devslash, if you want to get your apps notices and downloaded, consider translating them Aug 10 05:36:53 "It works for me", as Fred Dryer used to say on Hunter Aug 10 05:41:22 Ologn, I'm curious about the results you've gotten by translating. How much did it help? Aug 10 05:42:04 The number of words in my app is like 60 so it'll be easy for me Aug 10 05:42:34 Maybe more like 40 :) Aug 10 05:42:36 themirror: for active user/device installs, English is my 6th most popular language for all my apps Aug 10 05:43:08 Okay thanks I'll definitely do so then Aug 10 05:43:13 I have 93k active Spanish users, 64k active Portuguese, 50k active Italian, 35k active Dutch Aug 10 05:43:25 Damn nice Aug 10 05:43:31 35776 Dutch, and 35266 English Aug 10 05:43:39 What is ur app Aug 10 05:43:48 I know i have one, undetermined whether i have more Aug 10 05:44:00 http://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Panacea+Supplies Aug 10 05:45:23 Ooh anime game :D Aug 10 05:45:34 I just started looking into Asia recently...but then I got sidetracked with an Android consulting gig, so I've been dealing with JSON interactions and not my apps Aug 10 05:45:57 Yaa, that's a port of Hex-a-hop, an open source C++ game Aug 10 05:46:21 Three 5 star ratings but not many users yet Aug 10 05:46:55 I thought that was your package name for a second Aug 10 05:47:02 almost had an aneurism Aug 10 05:47:43 Making any money Ologn? Aug 10 05:48:04 mr_lou, I made $475 in ads in July Aug 10 05:48:20 Ologn, Very nice. What ad-system are you using? Aug 10 05:49:23 mr_lou: Admob, Millennial Media and Inmobi. Aug 10 05:50:30 My first four apps were not games and did well with those ad companies...but my three newest games are apps geared toward a younger audience...I have to find a new thing ad thing since CTR is bad...maybe Jumptap or something... Aug 10 05:51:12 Ok Aug 10 05:51:42 Getting on Android Market makes me lose 3G :/ overall I need to update from 2.1 already o.O Aug 10 05:52:13 The Admov/MM/Inmobi CTR is bad for the young people games, not the non-game apps Aug 10 05:52:27 Ologn, We'll soon be done with the development of our first Android game (4th title though), and need to choose some ad-system. That's why I'm asking. Aug 10 05:53:14 We had some great experience with Greystripe for your first 3 games. But they were J2ME, and Greystripe doesn't support that platform anymore. Aug 10 05:54:51 Yes, people have told me Greystripe might work for the games Aug 10 05:56:48 That's good to hear. Aug 10 06:16:46 hi, i have galaxy w, i need to find device name of gps, i checked the folder /sys/devices/platform but i couldn't find device name Aug 10 06:16:51 thanks in advance Aug 10 06:20:36 i'm trying to make a custom layout that has a gridview inside a horizontal scrollview inside a vertical scrollview and i'm trying to understand how to do this Aug 10 06:20:55 mostly, i'm wondering which to extend Aug 10 06:21:43 is it enough to just extend scrollview to get the gesture methods, etc, and write the hscrollview and gridview inside of it? Aug 10 06:22:30 it's a bad idea to put a gridview inside a vertical scrollview Aug 10 06:22:36 gridview already handles scrolling Aug 10 06:22:51 Hi. If an IntentService calls stopSelf() from handleIntent(), will the system invoke handleIntent() with the queued intent if there were multiple calls to startService() from some component? Aug 10 06:23:27 I mean, to continue with the next call, should I call stopSelf() or simply return from hendleReturn() Aug 10 06:23:42 *handleIntent() Aug 10 06:26:05 romain: didn't realize that… does it handle horizontal scrolling too? Aug 10 06:27:00 yati: from the onHandleIntent() docs: When all requests have been handled, the IntentService stops itself, so you should not call stopSelf(). Aug 10 06:28:28 doc_savage: okay, thanks for pointing out. I missed that :| Aug 10 06:29:28 yati: :) np, I'm not sure if calling stopSelf() would prevent the next Intent being triggered though, but best to avoid it Aug 10 06:32:01 yati: looking at the sources, IntentService doesn't override stopSelf() so it will likely just stop the service Aug 10 06:33:46 doc_savage: wow. You do core devel? I am new to Android dev, and must say, I love the design. I just love the concept of intents :) I have written services on .NET, but IntentService is just so neat :) Aug 10 06:34:27 yati: no, nowhere near core dev :) I just keep a copy of the source to hand as it's useful when the docs aren't clear enough Aug 10 06:34:35 I have to admit, I do love the whole idea of intents too Aug 10 06:34:45 doc_savage: the sources are huge aren't they? Aug 10 06:35:31 a few gb I think, tbh I've not checked the size of it (it's on a file server with loads of room) Aug 10 06:35:37 it's calculating :) Aug 10 06:35:42 okay :P Aug 10 06:36:10 I did not want to disk hog my laptop, so I did not clone the code :P Aug 10 06:37:09 4.8gb is my source directory Aug 10 06:41:20 doc_savage: ooh. Tried Jelly Bean? Aug 10 06:41:37 i have it on my NS yeah, it's very smooth Aug 10 06:41:57 how would i access kernel memory in android if i wanted to look around at things? Aug 10 06:42:17 I love Google Now :) Almost like in movies :P Aug 10 06:43:27 kanzure: Maybe use kernel modules with NDK? Aug 10 06:43:57 yati: "kernel modules" ? which ones Aug 10 06:43:59 kanzure: a) become root b) go to #android-root Aug 10 06:44:03 there are many linux kernel modules Aug 10 06:44:27 Leeds: oh this is #android-app-dev-only? :/ Aug 10 06:44:34 indeed it is Aug 10 06:44:39 ok fine. Aug 10 06:44:48 which is why it says that in the channel topic... Aug 10 06:44:52 yati: I've not really played with Now, I'll have to have a look at some point Aug 10 06:45:19 Leeds: well, maybe i didn't consider root to be important Aug 10 06:45:28 Leeds: e.g. consider i was running an emulator of a non-custom rom Aug 10 06:45:43 you didn't think it was important to be root to read directly from kernel memory? Aug 10 06:45:50 not if i'm running the vm, no Aug 10 06:46:22 whatever Aug 10 06:47:16 kanzure: I meant try compiling your own kernel modules with the NDK. And you're planning to see kernel memory from an emulator? :D Aug 10 06:50:45 yati: not planning.. just looking around Aug 10 06:51:04 seeing what else is out there. i figured there would be some way to wire up gdb without a lot of pain. i might be wrong. Aug 10 06:51:20 /proc/kcore is probably what i want Aug 10 06:51:51 guys... really... wrong channel Aug 10 07:01:53 Hey I just must not have paid attention much with photoshop. What are guide lines in the ic_launcher template? I want to put them on my 512x512 to stay in bounds but I don't know what they are or how big Aug 10 07:24:04 They are 4 px and under view for the record Aug 10 07:25:16 the icon guidelines on d.android.com are really good Aug 10 07:29:38 :) Aug 10 07:30:02 :( Aug 10 07:30:49 :( Aug 10 07:40:24 interesting, Exynos Dual 5 supports GL ES 3.0 and DX 11 Aug 10 08:29:33 I have got a problem with android assets. First app run an xml file gets successfully loaded from assets. Exit app, open it again, xml file from assets could not be read. I already tried closing the stream, but this did not help. After the app crashed, i can restart it normally as desired. Aug 10 08:30:57 can a fragment have its own sub fragments or must they reside in an activity? Aug 10 08:32:18 hi Aug 10 08:32:31 How to know if my Galaxy S2 has NFC support or not ? Aug 10 08:33:57 maxagaz, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7618657/how-to-check-whether-nfc-is-enabled-or-not-in-android Aug 10 08:34:14 maxagaz: I'd look on the battery - many/most NFC phones actually have the circuitry in the battery, to keep it close to the back cover Aug 10 08:34:45 or if you don't want to write any code download z-devicetest Aug 10 08:34:47 and it'll tell you Aug 10 08:39:48 Hi guys, I'm looking at having a crack at Android development. I've been developing other stuff with PHP, C and c#.net for years, but never Java. Can anyone point me in the right direction to getting started? Aug 10 08:39:58 I got as far as getting Eclipse and the ADK installed Aug 10 08:40:14 Although the virtual Android device ran unusably slow Aug 10 08:42:01 if you have a physical device it's significantly nicer to develop with Aug 10 08:42:14 I have my personal SGS3 Aug 10 08:42:25 great, what operating system? Aug 10 08:42:30 Can the development environment be configured to run and debug on the device? Aug 10 08:42:33 ICS Aug 10 08:42:43 I meant your development machine Aug 10 08:42:50 Oh, OSX Aug 10 08:43:07 cool, OSX is the easiest imo Aug 10 08:43:12 http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html Aug 10 08:43:28 follow the docs here and you can debug to your device over usb rather than the emulator Aug 10 08:53:06 android sdk manager cant access the repository, just keeps sptting out "network is unreachable" any workarounds? Aug 10 08:55:19 ensi: tried forcing https in options? Aug 10 08:55:25 bindv6only is 0 in /proc/sys.. Aug 10 08:55:27 appel1: yes Aug 10 08:55:58 then I dont' know, works just fine here Aug 10 08:56:55 ok Aug 10 08:59:25 appears to be an unresolved issue Aug 10 09:00:33 holy crap, Yegge's last blog post is like … book long Aug 10 09:10:13 preds: a fragment is a management container around a View, you cannot nest them Aug 10 09:10:28 fragments, that is. you can, of course, nest views! Aug 10 09:11:54 cheers Aug 10 09:30:35 Can someone explain how PathMeasure works to someone who isn't strong when it comes to math? Aug 10 09:35:19 hi there Aug 10 09:38:42 i know this is not a programming question... but has anyone been getting their transactions cancelled in Google Checkout lately ? I woke up this morning to and there were 10 cancellations in a row. I'm pretty sure it's a google issue because the clients keep trying to buy the game Aug 10 09:49:56 Can anyone tell me if a resource name like ball_54.png is illegal for resource name? I'm getting bitmapfactory fail and wondering if its the problem Aug 10 09:50:28 not sure _ is legal Aug 10 09:51:38 na it's legal Aug 10 09:52:57 ball_54.png is legal Aug 10 09:53:31 If it is not you have an error when AAPT bundle resources. Aug 10 09:53:50 themirror: The problem probably comes from the fact your image is not OK. Aug 10 09:53:53 I'll look into it thanks Aug 10 09:53:57 What are you doing to load it ? Aug 10 09:53:59 maybe Aug 10 09:54:13 bitmapfactory decode Aug 10 09:54:22 but it was working earlier Aug 10 09:54:31 And what's the error ? Aug 10 09:54:49 skimagedecoder factory returned null Aug 10 09:55:04 I used pngout on em Aug 10 09:55:12 Why don't you simply use Context#getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.ball_54) ? Aug 10 09:55:14 and now using alias xmls Aug 10 09:55:30 it was working with decode Aug 10 09:55:36 what's the difference Aug 10 09:55:52 No need to pngout your images. AAPT does that for you. Aug 10 09:56:36 getDrawable returns a Drawable which is way easier and more powerful to use than a low level Bitmap Aug 10 09:57:20 How so? I don't need powerful Aug 10 09:57:50 you can get a bitmap from the drawable i suppose Aug 10 09:57:55 hi Aug 10 09:57:59 I don't see what in my manifest could be filtering the nexus 7: http://pastebin.com/STKLLZ2r any ideas? Aug 10 09:58:06 Of course you can but that's useless Aug 10 09:58:22 except if you really want a bitmap Aug 10 09:58:26 nx5: I think it is Aug 10 09:58:39 add android:required="false" Aug 10 09:58:47 why would that cause trouble? Aug 10 09:59:31 You ask for a rear camera … a Nexus 7 doesn't have Aug 10 10:00:05 hmm.. so that asks explicitly for a rear cam, not any cam? Aug 10 10:01:00 nx5: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-element.html#hw-features => The application uses the device's camera. If the device supports multiple cameras, the application uses the camera that facing away from the screen. Aug 10 10:01:07 So I guess so :) Aug 10 10:01:25 well, let's try and see Aug 10 10:01:37 what am I really supposed to do with an UnsupportedEncodingException? I don't think there's any way to handle that gracefully Aug 10 10:03:37 cyanogen: that seems to use any camera, if there is no back one Aug 10 10:13:34 looking for help to resolve a findViewById bug that returns an object the first time around but null the second time around Aug 10 10:13:36 http://pastebin.com/pAVXPfGq Aug 10 10:14:17 Both of the Log statements return the same object reference Aug 10 10:14:41 but when I run it, I get a nullpointerexception on line 6 Aug 10 10:14:50 saying tv is null Aug 10 10:20:08 um, if I'm builing a library project that uses GPS, do I have to add permissions to library manifest? Aug 10 10:22:33 not sure, but i think you definitely need them in your project manifest Aug 10 10:40:02 hi Aug 10 10:41:07 to create a grid of buttons that scrolls in both directions, is it best to have a tablelayout inside a hscrollview inside a scrollview? or is there a better way? Aug 10 10:41:26 i see there's a gridview but i think it might only support images Aug 10 10:42:23 how do i call a method from a tab activity within the main activity without changing the tab? Aug 10 10:48:56 i play a bit with the example tabview from here http://www.mkyong.com/android/android-tablayout-example/ and extended one of the tab activities with an TextView an a method call textOut(String text). Now i would like to kall the methon from the main activity but it fails:( Aug 10 11:04:45 I have a HorizontalScrollView with images, how can I make the images be full-screen? Aug 10 11:33:52 <[emil]> hi, I need to display a text over the selected image in gallery view. I followed http://saigeethamn.blogspot.in/2010/05/gallery-view-android-developer-tutorial.html . Can some explain to me how I can do this following the code given in the link? Aug 10 11:35:16 <[emil]> It could be really simple. Am not even one week experienced in android programming and it is extremely important that I do this. Aug 10 11:35:32 <[emil]> But somehow I dont get it. Aug 10 12:02:27 hi there.. looking for someone who can help me with some questions about ProviderTestCase2 and its capabilities Aug 10 12:05:15 suppose I have a ContentProvider that shares files which are stored in its private data directory (Context.getFilesDir()) Aug 10 12:06:11 Got an API problem guys, if anyone can help? I'm using an activity to create another activity and it works flawlessly in API 14, however, when I knock it down to the target API of 8, it totally hangs without throwing any kind of exception :( Aug 10 12:06:21 In the onCreate() of my ContentProvider I already copy some default files into that directory Aug 10 12:07:06 When running a ProviderTestCase2 against my Content Provider the Context.getFilesDir() returns /dev/null (because of the IsolatedContext which is used by the testcase) Aug 10 12:07:11 Lamium: can you pastebin the code Aug 10 12:07:21 Sure Aug 10 12:09:00 wongk: http://pastebin.com/BDc2kUqw Aug 10 12:10:29 Lamium: and when you debug this after setting the target, where does it hang? Aug 10 12:10:36 also, why are you reducing the target at all? Aug 10 12:12:19 wongk: I initially started developing for API14 accidentally so when I realised I just used eclipse to switch out the API target to 8. When I debug this, it gets to starting the activity and literally just hangs, I can try and pinpoint exactly where for you if you give me 2 seconds Aug 10 12:12:46 Lamium: you should target api 16 Aug 10 12:13:39 that doesnt make much sense Aug 10 12:13:47 unless you don't care about providing a suboptimal experience on newer devices Aug 10 12:14:03 wongk: what about all the people that don't yet have API16? I'm releasing an app for commercial purposes and I need to make sure as many people get it as possible. API8 seems to be the average of where people are at now Aug 10 12:14:10 so few people are running JB, why would you target 16 Aug 10 12:14:26 Lamium: sure, you should set your minimum API to an appropriate level Aug 10 12:14:31 i also use 8 Aug 10 12:14:56 do you understand the difference between minimum and target?> Aug 10 12:15:07 Hey guys, can anyone explain to me what exactly "deprecated" mean Aug 10 12:15:20 Omar: it means the function is no longer used Aug 10 12:15:33 Omar: not the preferred API on the API level in which it was deprecated Aug 10 12:15:34 i do, but you still should test your app with the minimum. Aug 10 12:15:46 sevenseacat: well, yes, of course Aug 10 12:15:55 you should test it on all supported levels Aug 10 12:16:18 so isnt that what hes saying, its not working when he tests against 8? Aug 10 12:16:23 wongk: I would assume that minimum allows the app to be compatible with the minimum API set, but surely this means all your methods must be compatible with the minimum API Aug 10 12:16:33 but yeah Aug 10 12:16:34 he's saying it doesn't work when he sets his target to level 8 Aug 10 12:16:36 wongk: Gallery is deprecated, what would happen if I use it now? Aug 10 12:16:53 Omar: you'd have a Gallery Aug 10 12:17:08 someone can help me on how to call a method on an child activity in a tab activity pls? Aug 10 12:17:26 haha I mean my app wont run on Android versions Jellybean and beyond? Aug 10 12:17:32 wongk: However, If I run an android emulator that runs on API14 it works flawlessly Aug 10 12:17:38 Lamium: only the methods that are executed on that level Aug 10 12:18:55 and another question, is Gallery widget a class I can download and import it to my porject library? Aug 10 12:18:56 Lamium: what happens if you don't putSerializable? Aug 10 12:19:25 Omar: isn't it part of the API? Aug 10 12:20:24 wongk: my playerObject isn't passed. I've just run debug again, and according to logcat, the activity is being displayed but there's nothing on the screen and the emulator hangs Aug 10 12:20:41 wongk: but Gallery is deprecated.. meaning it wont be supported further so shouldnt I add it to my project to ensure I can use it? Aug 10 12:20:46 i'd suspect the FSMenuActivity class Aug 10 12:21:06 Omar: well, no, you should use its replacement Aug 10 12:21:42 wongk: the thing is, Gallery is EXACTLY what I'm looking for, and I've already wasted a day trying to implement it Aug 10 12:21:49 wongk: I'm heading out for lunch, I'll check it when I get back, thanks for the help guys, I'll be back later to let you guys know how I get on Aug 10 12:22:27 Omar: in the long run a day is insignificant Aug 10 12:23:04 you will likely experience problems/bugs in the future, and have an outdated looking app Aug 10 12:25:47 I tried implementing it through HorizontalScrollView but I have many problems =\ Aug 10 12:26:48 perhaps you're getting ahead of yourself? do you need to take a step back and learn more about the platform first? Aug 10 12:37:38 hey guys, i'm having an issue w/ android.support.v7.widget.GridLayout.Layout. i keep getting null pointers like: http://pastie.org/private/b1i1fduittsmqbqkg Aug 10 12:38:20 so, you know the different between a null pointer and an out-of-bounds array access? =] Aug 10 12:38:25 difference Aug 10 12:38:49 hah, i meant, OOB Aug 10 12:38:54 it's too early :| Aug 10 12:39:26 anyways, it happens when on click of one of the images in the gridview, so i have all of these log messages in the on click Aug 10 12:39:35 and it makes it all the way through the onclick without incident :\ Aug 10 12:39:47 gridlayout, i mean Aug 10 12:40:16 now the only thing i really changed was the animation, i programatically made an animation set instead of using an XML one Aug 10 12:40:40 but then i tried switching it back and it stil gives me array OOB Aug 10 12:40:49 so now i'm really lost Aug 10 12:42:11 wongk, and google doesnt seem to know anything about this one in particular Aug 10 12:43:25 yeah i got nuthin Aug 10 12:43:43 wongk, yah, and i maen erally nothing, it's scary Aug 10 12:43:53 OH, i added an animation listener Aug 10 12:44:06 start taking pieces out until it works? Aug 10 12:44:18 wongk, indeed, i did have this working at some point ;) Aug 10 12:44:44 nvm, i added the animation the other branch Aug 10 12:44:49 animatino listener, rather Aug 10 12:44:57 fark, what is wrong with this? Aug 10 12:46:45 can someone please tell me why I never get network updates? http://pastebin.com/DBHKHPFA Aug 10 12:46:56 (location network updates that is Aug 10 12:47:34 mornin Jug6ernaut Aug 10 12:47:47 mornin Aug 10 12:48:12 wongk, it's definitely something in one of my animation sets Aug 10 12:48:19 do someone knows how to remove an app without PackageManager? Aug 10 12:48:33 anyone know if a linear interpolator can mess with a gridlayout? Aug 10 12:48:38 cause crazy array OOB? Aug 10 12:50:09 wongk, i've isolated it to one of these lines: http://pastie.org/private/yjh86cxjhrdwif2eqjjw Aug 10 12:50:26 but just to be clear, none of these lines actually causes the OOB exception directly, and each line runs successfully without incident Aug 10 12:50:41 this seems to work http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8418385/can-i-uninstall-an-application-without-a-dialog Aug 10 12:50:43 one of these lines causes the gridlayout to look for an OOB index sometime shortly after this runs Aug 10 12:51:25 i don't know jack about animations Aug 10 12:51:42 wongk, animations are actually very easy Aug 10 12:51:48 sure Aug 10 12:51:58 that doesn't mean i know anything about them :P Aug 10 12:52:36 the one for isRightSide is an animation that interpolates a scale and a translation, the scale going from 50% size to 100% size relative to the top right side of the view and then translating it to 50% of the vertical pos Aug 10 12:53:10 it's good if you have multiple columns of images, it looks more natural if their pivoted relative to the side they lie on Aug 10 12:53:18 s/their/they're/ Aug 10 12:54:24 i'm thinking of an even more natural animation system that takes the row # / rows total to decide the vertical pivot point Aug 10 12:58:52 http://pastebin.com/DBHKHPFA simple network location class not working (no exception, and no location). Help? Aug 10 12:59:01 im a bit frustrated:( Aug 10 13:01:20 maybe i try the wrong way... but im a newby :D I would like to get a 4 tab layout and on the 4th tab i like to put some text logout output. Some exaples about that for me? Aug 10 13:02:42 tabhost + tabmanager + fragments + fragmentactivity Aug 10 13:03:46 at the moment i use startActivityForResult in the main class and putting an extra, in the Tab Activity class i create another intent an putting out the extra on the text pane. Aug 10 13:04:51 is it right to do that in the onCreate method of the second class? Aug 10 13:04:59 ok wongk, through experimentation the array OOB exception is caused by having layout params that specify a margin Aug 10 13:05:34 tango Aug 10 13:05:55 so, i think i'll put some padding on the imageview instead Aug 10 13:06:01 see if that works Aug 10 13:07:44 alemos: I need more information. Do you ever get any of your listener callbacks? Do you have the LOCATION_COURSE or LOCATION_FINE permissions? Are you actually somewhere that would have a network location (e.g. celltower or known wifi)? Aug 10 13:07:55 If you go to google maps with GPS turned off, is your location ever found? Aug 10 13:08:34 lov: callbacks never get called. I have both COURSE and FINE, and google maps does work Aug 10 13:09:44 that works :) Aug 10 13:10:02 so, guys, if you use a gridlayout, do NOT set the margin of the inner elements with a GridLayout.LayoutParams Aug 10 13:10:16 use the internal setPadding Aug 10 13:10:27 kaneda^: congrats, you've found a framework bug Aug 10 13:10:34 b.android.com =] Aug 10 13:10:37 wongk, i feel like i shoudl report it or something Aug 10 13:11:27 lov: it has to be some small detail :| Aug 10 13:11:53 09:10:32 < wongk> kaneda^: congrats, you've found a framework bug Aug 10 13:11:53 09:10:39 < wongk> b.android.com =] Aug 10 13:12:10 lov, i said i FEEL like i should, not that i would ;p Aug 10 13:13:14 alemos: what happens if you request GPS updates? Aug 10 13:13:44 lov: I do see the GPS icon on the cellphone, but I don't get callbacks either Aug 10 13:15:02 alemos: attach breakpoints, verify that way instead of just logging statements Aug 10 13:15:15 if the GPS icon appears, you should at least be getting the onProviderEnabled callback Aug 10 13:15:20 and onStatusChanged Aug 10 13:15:45 weird:| Aug 10 13:17:49 http://pastie.org/private/fwmnfn8z9xbblueous7lig <-- is this a good bug report? Aug 10 13:20:07 lov: breakpoints on the overrides are never hit Aug 10 13:21:00 alemos: hmm Aug 10 13:21:29 but setting breakpoints in your getLocation method get hit? Aug 10 13:22:35 lov: I am paused there right now Aug 10 13:23:04 lov: resumed, and then nothing… (and the gps icon is up) Aug 10 13:27:08 http://pastie.org/private/fwmnfn8z9xbblueous7lig <-- is this a good bug report? Aug 10 13:27:40 alemos: I'm not sure what to suggest offhand; you're apparently registering for location callbacks appropriately. Aug 10 13:27:57 try registering a gps status listener, see what you get Aug 10 13:28:02 lov: can i send you the project? could be something else somewhere else Aug 10 13:28:20 Please don't, sorry. I've got a bunch of stuff to do. Aug 10 13:28:26 I get the same result with gps or network provider Aug 10 13:28:31 ok, thanks anyway Aug 10 13:28:38 Here's something else to try Aug 10 13:28:53 download and install a GPS status app, see if it actually gets callbacks when the GPS is running Aug 10 13:28:58 also, try restarting your phone Aug 10 13:29:02 you could just be in a bad state Aug 10 13:29:16 What is the preferred place to call AlarmManager#setInexactRepeating() to have my IntentService fire every so minutes? Aug 10 13:30:09 Should I call it in a calling component or the service itself? Aug 10 13:31:00 lov: gps test from the play market works fine :\ Aug 10 13:33:48 style advice - should I use runOnUiThread or a Handler to switch the content view from another thread? Aug 10 13:35:23 Oh, hmm. Aug 10 13:35:23 lov: weird. if I disable GPS, the "onProviderDisabled" gets called Aug 10 13:35:33 try replacing your 10, 10 args with 0, 0 Aug 10 13:35:42 you might just not be getting anything because you haven't actually moved Aug 10 13:36:41 lov: had already tried that. same behavior Aug 10 13:36:52 * lov shrugs Aug 10 13:38:18 lov: it's weird I get stopped on the breakpoint for the requestLocationUpdates twice Aug 10 13:41:15 An_Ony_Moose: It's the same thing.. Might as well use runOnUiThread if you can Aug 10 13:41:51 SimonVT: ok, thanks. Seems simpler but I thought it might be ugly/hackish/something otherwise bad Aug 10 13:42:35 runOnUiThread just posts it to a Handler as well Aug 10 13:42:41 oh right Aug 10 13:42:52 well I'll do that then. Thanks! Aug 10 13:45:21 anyone else wants to take a stab as to why location services aren't working? Aug 10 13:45:38 the listener isn't getting called Aug 10 13:49:50 I'd like to fix some typos and grammar mistakes on developer.android.com .. is there anyway to submit changes without downloading all 8.5 GB of source code? :) Aug 10 13:57:36 Right I'm back Aug 10 13:58:02 * doc_savage needs a break Aug 10 14:03:57 Sri19: nope Aug 10 14:04:12 wongk: The app still refuses to work on the API level 8 and there's definitely nothing out of the ordinary in the FSMenuActivity Aug 10 14:04:15 lov, ouch Aug 10 14:04:36 maybe consider separate repo for docs? Aug 10 14:04:47 i know its wishful on my part Aug 10 14:04:48 :) Aug 10 14:05:27 Sri19: That's not really possible, since the docs are autogenerated from the source code Aug 10 14:05:49 yes, some part of the docs Aug 10 14:05:52 I THINK that different parts of the sources could end up as different git repositories in some way Aug 10 14:05:52 Lamium: can you clarify, it doesn't work on API level 8, with what target? Aug 10 14:06:00 i was refering to typos specificaly on developer.android.com Aug 10 14:06:02 so you could probably skip the vendor proprietary stuff Aug 10 14:06:06 but that'd take a bit of hacking Aug 10 14:06:21 wongk: I have now changed the target to 14 and the kept the minimum API as 8 Aug 10 14:07:28 hi Aug 10 14:07:38 Lamium: can you run in hierarchy viewer and see if it thinks something is on screen once the new activity 'launches'? Aug 10 14:07:56 wongk: Sure sec. Aug 10 14:08:03 or maybe it will give some other clue Aug 10 14:10:38 wongk: Should my activites be appearing twice in the Windows window of the Hierarchy Viw? Aug 10 14:10:42 view* Aug 10 14:11:24 that sounds unusual but i honestly don't use it often enough to know Aug 10 14:12:07 wongk: This is the first time I've used it. But then again, when I use the API 14 emulator, it also displays the activites twice Aug 10 14:12:42 wongk: The activity is definitely listed as showing in the Hierarchy View though Aug 10 14:12:47 Looking for recommendations on good android-dev books. Aug 10 14:14:13 deadmund: http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Android-Application-Development-Guides/dp/1118102274/ Aug 10 14:14:46 wongk: Can I ask why you recommended this one over the others? Aug 10 14:14:53 wongk: (thanks btw) Aug 10 14:15:08 http://www.amazon.com/Reto-Meier/e/B002BMF4OC/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 Aug 10 14:15:47 the problem with books is that the time between being finished and being on shelves is usually a major android release Aug 10 14:15:53 so the day it's available, it's old Aug 10 14:15:54 yeah Aug 10 14:15:58 and doesn't cover everything Aug 10 14:16:22 this one is on the 3rd addition and covers most everything up to and including ICS, at least Aug 10 14:16:26 edition Aug 10 14:16:38 canadiancow|work: I realize that :) Aug 10 14:16:43 i had early access to a book once for an open source project, and i laughed, because "v2" of the open source project was being written in private, but was pushed out to the public before the book was available Aug 10 14:16:46 and it was totally obsolete Aug 10 14:17:17