**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 15 02:59:59 2012 Aug 15 03:19:52 why does a scrollview's smoothScrollTo method have two integer parameters? Aug 15 03:23:47 fuck yeah, glad to see Sammy present prior art about pinch/zoom in attempt to invalidate the patent Aug 15 03:24:01 apple scoundrels :) Aug 15 05:41:56 <_genuser_> DB devs: do you have separate classes for each table, and they call getWritableDatabase() on your classes extending SQLOpenHelper? Does it cause any access problems if multiple classes use .getWritableDatabase() or .getReadableDatabase()? Aug 15 06:01:01 _genuser_, you can certainly run into issues on multi threaded applications sharing a database, there are different strategies for handling it, synchronized singletons, write lock mutexes.. SQLite ensures integrity internally but that will bubble as a an SQLiteException if one thread tries to get a write lock while another is writing Aug 15 06:03:40 Hey Aug 15 06:06:17 i have a stupid question Aug 15 06:06:45 what does it mean to flash a mod Aug 15 06:07:26 that sounds illegal Aug 15 06:07:45 I'm calling the android police Aug 15 06:07:58 its in the instructions Aug 15 06:08:12 one of the steps is to "flash mod" Aug 15 06:09:03 Tracer: wrong channel (see topic) , try #android-root Aug 15 06:09:20 o ok sorry thanks alot Aug 15 06:11:45 <_genuser_> preds: thanks. So does that mean each call is executed in a different thread. Each class requesting a .getWritableDatabase() storing a reference is a new thread? Or is that for when the application explicitly creates multiple threads? Aug 15 06:12:12 i disagree; the sqlite apis are threadsafe Aug 15 06:12:20 when your application explicitly creates multiple threads Aug 15 06:12:29 <_genuser_> ok, I see. Aug 15 06:12:56 <_genuser_> so in other words, creating a class per table, using .getWritableDatabase() and generally writing out different tables should be absolutely ok then. Aug 15 06:14:24 <_genuser_> g00s: anything else you would wanna share on the topic? Aug 15 06:14:45 <_genuser_> I think I've been spending little more time just reading sample code to get a better idea on how to design the app. Aug 15 06:15:23 my experience differs, I know in theory it's meant to be threadsafe but in practice we got a bunch of store reports of SQLiteException: Could not get write lock Aug 15 06:15:51 <_genuser_> finally ready to code as class per table way. got first table done. waiting for others until app is at the point. Aug 15 06:15:56 this could've possibly been due to some weird thread being killed without releasing resources of course Aug 15 06:16:27 <_genuser_> well, in general outside of android, multi thread coding is tricky. Aug 15 06:16:38 <_genuser_> but I think object locks are to be appreciated. Aug 15 06:17:23 preds: you could have run up against sqlite's locking model as an implication of your threading design Aug 15 06:17:41 i think by default its exclusive locking Aug 15 06:17:59 but that can be changed, also using .yieldIfContendedSafely() is a great help Aug 15 06:18:47 we moved to singletons with locking for critical code sections which did the trick, although in the future I want to look at using a contentprovider model Aug 15 06:19:05 <_genuser_> now error reporting. I'm using more of the log.i and log.d 'coz the documentation mentions that the log.d stuff will be scrubbed from .apk's. etc. But is there's a need to generate log output to a file, etc? Or rather do people do that kinda of logging? Aug 15 06:20:01 <_genuser_> interestingly, I have never found a singleton to be useful in my code. Aug 15 06:20:12 <_genuser_> they have been nice in frameworks, etc. Aug 15 06:22:07 it's my understanding that when your application is signed and published in non debug mode all Log() calls are ignored Aug 15 06:22:29 <_genuser_> so how do guys approach logging if you do at all? Aug 15 06:22:56 <_genuser_> in other words, runtime errors will happen but some logging helps to debug the thing. Aug 15 06:22:57 i just log away and then use proguard to strip out the calls for the release build Aug 15 06:23:08 instead of putting if (D) Lof () Aug 15 06:23:15 <_genuser_> proguard? Aug 15 06:23:36 its included with the sdk Aug 15 06:23:57 <_genuser_> lol, been reading a lot of documentation lately. Aug 15 06:24:01 wow, i guess there is a new one called DexGuard ! Aug 15 06:24:20 http://www.saikoa.com/dexguard Aug 15 06:24:39 <_genuser_> interseting. documentation on Log says: Debug logs are compiled in but stripped at runtime. Error, warning and info logs are always kept. Aug 15 06:24:55 _genuser_ if you use eclipse to publish and sign it runs it through proguard Aug 15 06:25:00 which in turn, strips the log calls Aug 15 06:25:05 <_genuser_> so I figured extraneous stuff can be under .d() and the rest as appopriate. Aug 15 06:25:30 <_genuser_> preds: cool. I am using eclipse. have only run on emulator so far. haven't gotten to sign a working copy yet. Aug 15 06:25:59 although, I would love confirmation on that, I just recall reading it somewhere but I've never tested it Aug 15 06:26:39 yeah, the newer config as of sdk 20 has the Log.x stripped out Aug 15 06:26:55 <_genuser_> so bottom-line: do you ever try to retrieve the runtime log? Or ever wish to write something retrieveable for debugging purposes? Aug 15 06:27:30 <_genuser_> oh nice, proguard shrinks class files too. neat. Aug 15 06:33:01 <_genuser_> dang, dexguard is expensive. Aug 15 06:38:30 yeah, i'll have to pass. it costs more than i ever made from my app :P Aug 15 06:42:58 <_genuser_> g00s: you published an app? what you publish? if you don't mind, that is. Aug 15 06:44:42 it didn't to so well. i'm still deciding whether to put more work into it (make it tablet optimized) or just start over on wp8; because of technology limitations i can't do it on ios Aug 15 06:45:12 i was going to wait a little longer to see how well android tablets did, and then decide Aug 15 06:46:36 <_genuser_> well I was thinking of android apps. but java never really sounded appealing. everytime I have learned worked with java in the past, it has been extremely boring. vs. c/c++, delphi, c#, vb, etc etc. Aug 15 06:47:03 <_genuser_> but finally making an effort to write an app. primarily 'coz I want it to work that way so I can use it. and if someone later wants it, cool. Aug 15 06:47:16 :) Aug 15 06:47:28 <_genuser_> I mean I will target the audience out there, but first and foremost it should do what I want it to do. Aug 15 06:48:37 <_genuser_> wouldn't mind a windows phone either. but I supposed all my info is in the gmail account. would be lot of work moving to hotmail. Aug 15 07:18:48 Hey there :) I'd like to create menu items that appear in the action bar on Android > 3.0, and as simple menu in Android < 2.3 Aug 15 07:19:02 I followed indications in http://android-developers.blogspot.fr/2012/01/say-goodbye-to-menu-button.html Aug 15 07:19:28 My device has android 4.1 and a hardware menu button, and doesn't show anything in the action bar Aug 15 07:20:01 Is this the desired behaviour ? Can I have it show the action button anyway ? Should I ? Aug 15 07:25:57 hi Aug 15 07:26:03 hi Aug 15 07:26:09 any developer here? Aug 15 07:43:49 nazeerahmed: just ask Aug 15 08:05:18 is there some shell variable to set device for ADB? so `ant installd` will install on correct device. Aug 15 08:21:45 so my class is using Activity, MapActivity and FragmentActivity. Since all my activities share a lot of common traits, I would like them to extend a base class. Obviously this is impossible. What is the nicest workaround? Aug 15 08:22:18 can't get the CheckedTextView in a ListView to be clickable :( Aug 15 08:25:53 s/class/app Aug 15 08:27:49 lapdis: sharedpreferences ? Aug 15 09:03:01 Hey there. Aug 15 09:09:46 how can I in code know if I am running on large (or xlarge) screen? Aug 15 09:10:00 Pitel_laptop: why do you want to know? Aug 15 09:10:30 Leeds: if I should just show fargments next to each other, or if I must put them into pager Aug 15 09:11:54 i have different layouts in res, one with pager, one with just linear layout Aug 15 09:12:07 maybe i could just chech if the pager exist... Aug 15 09:12:30 How do I change the color of actionbar tabs by code? Aug 15 09:19:07 today i learnt a very important lesson about exporting to an apk and uploading to market Aug 15 09:19:56 even if your debug build is fine, and your app is freeware, dont trust eclipse to actually include all your activities in your apk (including those explicitly listed in the manifest) Aug 15 09:20:23 I have a glorious ClassNotFound exception being reported for the main activity :/ Aug 15 09:21:13 so much for my update including stability enhancements Aug 15 09:21:40 sounds like you enhanced in the wrong direction. Aug 15 09:22:06 i know, right Aug 15 09:22:14 Is there a simple way to change the color of the tab selection marker in the action bar? By code, not by XML... Aug 15 09:22:49 Personally, I test each apk on my devices, before pushing it to market. Never trust eclipse. Aug 15 09:23:00 that is what i will be doing from now on Aug 15 09:23:40 i debug on the device, so would expect things to be fairly smooth-sailing after that Aug 15 09:24:28 Yeah, I learned to not trust eclipse when I delivered a completely broken apk to the customer once :/ Aug 15 09:27:47 kant, im just glad nobody is paying for this crap ;) Aug 15 09:27:56 (this crap = my app, not eclipse) Aug 15 09:56:03 SimonVT: i tried using ur calendar, built it on api 14, when i tried it on the emulator (4.1) and tried to show it did not respond, i tried it on 2.3.5 it runs slow(unusable) and the calendar doesnt show up, only something like SSMTWTF Aug 15 09:56:08 http://www.fpaste.org/zUHt/ Aug 15 09:56:17 + im using abs Aug 15 09:58:07 did i hopefully mess up something obvious? Aug 15 10:23:07 which layout would you use to nest a scrolliew? Aug 15 10:34:19 ultra- : im not an expert, but so far i nest a relativelayout inside the scroll view, since scrollview can only take 1 child Aug 15 10:34:34 and its going well with me :) Aug 15 10:34:48 my situation is probably different… i got framelayout working as the parent Aug 15 10:35:32 ultra- : i cant help with that :/ Aug 15 10:35:40 :) Aug 15 10:57:47 finally! i've made a grid of buttons that extends beyond the screen, scrolls both directions, and snaps to the edge of the button nearest to the top/left :D :D :D Aug 15 10:58:14 can also scroll both directions with one drag Aug 15 10:58:27 is there some predefined style for header-like textviews? Aug 15 10:58:49 in general, large and probably bold Aug 15 10:59:46 now the only question is 'how does this run on a droid eris?' Aug 15 10:59:55 or maybe an incredible… i'd hope nobody uses eris anymore Aug 15 11:18:08 How to make patch file Aug 15 11:18:39 If any one knows please reply me Aug 15 11:20:53 hey Aug 15 11:21:03 I've got a question about the offline voice in Jelly Bean Aug 15 11:21:07 how can I make horizontal or vertical line between some elements in linearlayout? Aug 15 11:22:16 is there any way to check whether a device is capable of offline voice? Aug 15 11:22:27 Pitel_laptop, elaborate more Aug 15 11:22:33 i.e. is there a way to check if a voice pack has been downloaded? Aug 15 11:22:51 aagam94: just a divider between two sections Aug 15 11:23:04 @Pitel: create an xml shape drawable with a color you want your vertical line to have, then add that drawable to your linearlayout and give it a width/height (depending on orientation of your layout) of match_parent Aug 15 11:23:12 I guess http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5049852/android-drawing-separator-divider-line-in-layout might be what I want Aug 15 11:24:04 ya Pitel_laptop Aug 15 11:24:16 @aagam94: you mean a patch file like the ones you see for android framework patches? Aug 15 11:24:49 I have edited code for an open source app.. now what to do bakkes Aug 15 11:29:15 judging by the lack of a response, I guess the answer is 'no' Aug 15 11:42:12 swalla Aug 15 12:20:03 any good mockup tools other than photoshop/balsamiq? Aug 15 12:20:14 something with android controls would be bestest Aug 15 12:30:15 balsamiq rox... that's all i got :P Aug 15 12:30:41 it's not really suited for mobile, yet, though Aug 15 12:32:02 can i launch another activity from a different app, even if it is not the main activity? does the calling activity need any extra permissions set? Aug 15 12:32:31 only if it has an intent filter that you can build an intent for Aug 15 12:35:19 wongk: i try to explicit call it with package and class name Aug 15 12:36:01 You can't do that Aug 15 12:36:09 anyone know if sl4a can put the mode into some sort of "child proof" mode? Ie can't close or switch the app Aug 15 12:36:36 wongk: Caused by: java.lang.SecurityException: Permission Denial: starting Intent { act=android.intent.action.VIEW dat=contact://1802 cmp=de.sgbs.crm.contact.android/.DetailsActivity } from ProcessRecord{41541e98 719:de.sgbs.test.android/10042} (pid=719, uid=10042) not exported from uid 10040 Aug 15 12:37:02 zeroXten: of course not Aug 15 12:37:29 SimonVT: why of course Aug 15 12:37:29 ? Aug 15 12:37:39 Letting apps completely take over the device is not really something that should be possible Aug 15 12:37:47 SimonVT: did you mean my case with "You can't do that" ? Aug 15 12:37:54 Yes, m1hael Aug 15 12:38:32 SimonVT: so how do i start an activity from another app? do i have to root it through the main activity? Aug 15 12:38:41 14:32 only if it has an intent filter that you can build an intent for Aug 15 12:38:54 You build an intent for the activitys intent filter Aug 15 12:39:01 If it has one, else you can't Aug 15 12:39:16 SimonVT: i tried calling it explicitly (package, classname) Aug 15 12:39:26 14:36 You can't do that Aug 15 12:39:48 SimonVT: e.g. for an alarm clock, so that you can't just close it without going through the critical path Aug 15 12:39:52 SimonVT: but if i specify an intent-filter for the _non-main_-activity it would work? Aug 15 12:40:05 zeroXten: e.g. for malware so malicous people can render a device useless Aug 15 12:40:29 Yes, m1hael Aug 15 12:40:41 SimonVT: thanx. i'll give it a try. Aug 15 12:47:13 SimonVT: yeah, fair enough. Aug 15 12:58:05 I'm using alarmmanager to schedule an event for once a day -- i read that setInexactRepeating() uses the time intervals you give it as a floor, and so if you set it to 15 mins you'd have to sit there for 30 mins to guarantee it runs. is this true? Aug 15 12:59:37 yes Aug 15 13:03:03 so if i set it to so if i want to guarentee something run at least once a day I would want to set AlarmManager.INTERVAL_HALF_DAY? Aug 15 13:03:23 I'm just a little confused on which I should choose or not even Inexact at all Aug 15 13:03:32 just to get something to happen once a day Aug 15 13:04:11 jzelinskie: what is your use case Aug 15 13:04:24 pulling data from a server after it's updated server side Aug 15 13:04:41 it updates at a certain time everyday, but i don't want everyone to hit the server at the same time Aug 15 13:04:50 ah ok Aug 15 13:04:51 nor do i want them getting a notification at 3am if the server updates then Aug 15 13:05:05 (if they're in a diff timezone) Aug 15 13:05:30 do you have some time range of when this should happen for all clients? Aug 15 13:05:50 once a day Aug 15 13:05:59 between blah and blah? Aug 15 13:06:10 or any time during the day Aug 15 13:06:15 any time Aug 15 13:06:38 generate a random time and set a repeating alarm for that time Aug 15 13:06:54 I'd imagine you'd be fine with INTERVAL_DAY Aug 15 13:07:44 I doubt it'll wait an extra day, instead of batching it up with other alarms 15 minutes later Aug 15 13:08:11 Or 30 minutes or whenever someone else might have set an inexact alarm Aug 15 13:08:40 ah, so they get batched together Aug 15 13:08:50 didn't know that thanks Aug 15 13:09:33 Yeah, so if three apps set an alarm each, but at different times, it can fire all at the same time and only wake up the device once Aug 15 13:09:55 makes sense Aug 15 13:10:06 That's why you potentially can wait up to a full interval Aug 15 13:10:47 if your alarm fires at 1pm, with an interval of an hour, and it can see that another app is scheduled to fire at 1:45pm, it might batch them together some time after that Aug 15 13:10:59 yeah Aug 15 13:11:06 take a look at the source fish if you want details Aug 15 13:11:11 source cod i mean Aug 15 13:11:20 lol! Aug 15 13:11:38 I doubt your app is the only one running an alarmmanager, so the chances of having to wait a full day is slim Aug 15 13:12:27 i tried it the other day on an emulator and i don't think it fired off in a day Aug 15 13:12:30 but that was an emulator Aug 15 13:12:33 But even then, it's only the first run that might be delayed for a day.. Then it's run once a day Aug 15 13:19:07 9 old androids walk in a bar Aug 15 13:19:55 ok one more question Aug 15 13:20:01 then they die becuase htey're old and no one cares Aug 15 13:20:41 say i have items in a list that each have an update functionality, is it better to write an async task for updateall or just fire off a bunch of asynctasks one for each item Aug 15 13:21:40 SimonVT: are u here now? Aug 15 13:21:46 by default JB? queues your asynctasks I think Aug 15 13:21:56 prior to then, they would just all fire at once Aug 15 13:22:49 i'm targetting 2.2+ Aug 15 13:23:10 targeting* Aug 15 13:23:27 although i am developing on JB :) Aug 15 13:23:30 "targetting" Aug 15 13:23:39 and mikedg im pretty sure it's HC+ Aug 15 13:23:42 supporting* Aug 15 13:24:07 it appears most things like that are HC+ Aug 15 13:24:13 so multiple asynctasks will behave differently on 8-10 than 11+ Aug 15 13:25:38 hc doesnt exist Aug 15 13:26:27 americancow: it does on 2.3% of all devices that uses Google Play Aug 15 13:26:33 taljurf: yes Aug 15 13:26:46 SimonVT: i tried using ur calendar, built it on api 14, when i tried it on the emulator (4.1) and tried to show it did not respond, i tried it on 2.3.5 it runs slow(unusable) and the calendar doesnt show up, only something like SSMTWTF Aug 15 13:26:51 http://www.fpaste.org/zUHt/ Aug 15 13:26:57 So I built a library twice, once with neon and once without neon, and named the modules differently. Aug 15 13:27:09 How could I conveniently do System.loadLibrary(foo) where foo varies whether CPU has neon or not? Aug 15 13:27:13 Did you add the theme attribute Aug 15 13:27:51 I find a lot of instructions for doing this at ndk level, with android_getCpuFeatures or some such call, but I would prefer to not write a library just to find out if android has NDK Aug 15 13:28:26 SimonVT: I have , but im afraid i've not done it correctly Aug 15 13:28:27 err, android is running on CPU with NEON Aug 15 13:28:28 sorry Aug 15 13:28:36 SimonVT: just a sec Aug 15 13:28:49 alankila: build.cpu_abi Aug 15 13:28:53 alankila: or something like that Aug 15 13:29:17 alankila: I think build.cpu_abi; it tells you the instruction set w/ the same naming convention as the ndk. However, you shouldn't need to do that for just loading a library Aug 15 13:29:48 alankila: the ndk will build libs for all the platforms you tell it to, and the installer when your app is installed will provide the proper one. Just do load_library and your library name, dont' worry about the abi platform path Aug 15 13:29:56 SimonVT: http://www.fpaste.org/DByd/ Aug 15 13:30:14 dragorn: you may not be aware of this but neon is not an architecture/abi in sense that android would solve this problem for me Aug 15 13:30:27 alankila: android breaks it into armv7 and armv7-neon Aug 15 13:30:39 alankila: so either I misunderstand you, or, it should work Aug 15 13:30:57 Okay. Let me try some more. Aug 15 13:31:04 SimonVT: what theme name shall i use , the one in the styles.xml or manifest? Aug 15 13:31:28 I can't find a -neon specific output in libs Aug 15 13:31:32 alankila: or rather, armeabi and armeabi-v7, which if I recall, splits neon and non-neon. Let me check tho - it's possible I'm being dumb here and confusing it w/ a different issue I looked at Aug 15 13:31:45 alankila: because TBH I haven't cared about neon in my native code, most of it is one-shot stuff Aug 15 13:31:49 taljurf: You should set your theme in your manifest Aug 15 13:31:51 I think you are simply wrong then Aug 15 13:31:55 the neon is not a separate architecture Aug 15 13:32:25 neon green is my favorite color Aug 15 13:32:38 SimonVT: ok testing Aug 15 13:32:46 so I think I *have* to build a module with neon stuff enabled specially, or build the library in such a way that it chooses at runtime on its own whether to do neon crap or not Aug 15 13:33:08 Since you're using ABS, you should probably extend one of its themes instead of the framework theme Aug 15 13:33:28 alankila: yeah I was conflating it with a different issue I'd been dealing with at the time Aug 15 13:33:57 Oh screw this shit, I'll just do a stupid cpudetect library and use that Aug 15 13:34:35 alankila: you could parse /proc/cpuinfo if you really felt like it Aug 15 13:35:43 no. :-p Aug 15 13:35:47 well I could do this, I guess. Aug 15 13:36:07 I think I'll rather take a stab in doing the same runtime detection stuff everyone uses. Aug 15 13:39:06 alankila: I presume you've seen http://www.kandroid.org/ndk/docs/CPU-ARM-NEON.html Aug 15 13:40:21 I know how this works. I just resent the fact I can't comfortably query this information from java Aug 15 13:40:34 this way of doing it sucks balls Aug 15 13:40:48 alankila: agreed; just passing it along Aug 15 13:47:18 SimonVT: didnt work, even when i add it to the xml file, all i get in the graphical layout is something like "NULL" and "SSMTWTF" below it Aug 15 13:53:35 ArrayList fragments = new ArrayList(2); fragments.set(0, myFragment); //out of bound exception. wtf? I said it should be preallocated for 2 fragments. Aug 15 13:54:36 Hah, this ended up so comically hacky that it's a wonder it works at all Aug 15 13:54:44 alankila: lols Aug 15 13:55:07 #define fever Aug 15 13:55:53 #define bieber Aug 15 13:56:09 also my new neon code has the privilege of being far slower than the vfp it replaced Aug 15 13:56:25 did you actually need to use neon code Aug 15 13:56:29 or youjust did it to be cool Aug 15 13:56:35 guys , can webview display pdf files? Aug 15 13:56:44 canadiancow: are you going to switch to americancow when you move Aug 15 13:56:48 taljurf: no Aug 15 13:56:57 sigh Aug 15 13:57:10 can i try it out for a bit mikedg? Aug 15 13:57:31 you fucking registered it Aug 15 13:58:10 americancow: any independent thing i can add to my app to display pdf, i dont wanna be restricted by the absence of any pdf app Aug 15 13:58:16 americanheffer? Aug 15 13:58:51 mikedg: ^^^^ Aug 15 13:59:16 actually it seems to be mildly faster after all. Well, most of the NEON intrinsics aren't in use yet so I guess that's why it doesn't quite work properly yet Aug 15 13:59:22 taljurf: not sure, i think there may be a free library but not too sure Aug 15 13:59:36 most people just rely on external apps, pretty much everyone has one and you can just direct to adobe Aug 15 14:10:46 SimonVT: didnt work, even when i add it to the xml file, all i get in the graphical layout is something like "NULL" and "SSMTWTF" below it Aug 15 14:18:54 if i have a random PendingIntent(and nothing more) can i determine when it goes off? Aug 15 14:22:36 How could I go about monitoring network traffic? I want to see what some apps are transmitting/receiving? Aug 15 14:22:57 I see there's shark for root, is root required for this sort of thing? Aug 15 14:23:05 porten: afaik yes Aug 15 14:23:15 porten: pretty much. You can know who is active and count bytes globally Aug 15 14:23:22 Jug6ernaut: don't think so Aug 15 14:23:39 porten: but you can't get per-app-source precision. Even w/ root it'll be tricky to know what app generated something, from just a data capture Aug 15 14:23:40 :\ Aug 15 14:24:39 porten: you can combine netstat and raw capture to try to work out stream to app linkages, but it'll still miss a lot of traffic - udp and stuff that starts and stop sbetween your probes of netstat Aug 15 14:26:42 I'm trying to extend ListFragment, I also imported the support library.. I keep getting "Call requires API Level 11" error Aug 15 14:26:43 so is this app crazy or something? http://blog.mobilescope.net/ Aug 15 14:27:18 dragorn: Aug 15 14:29:38 porten: looks like bullshit to me. I'd guess what it really does is scan manifests for permissions - internet + contacts, etc Aug 15 14:30:17 porten: Alternately it would require root, and even then, their claims are BS Aug 15 14:30:27 Hmm... was not actually using neon. This time I am for sure. The neon version is actually almost twice as slow as the straight-up vfp code served by gcc from generic C program Aug 15 14:30:54 porten: because if I was going to leak your personal data out of an app, i'd wrap it in SSL, which would block their "looks for your email address in traffic" claim Aug 15 14:31:08 some key operations are probably wasting time converting between VFP and NEON right now & that explains the cause Aug 15 14:31:13 porten: their other option is rooting, installing their own cert, and man-in-the-middle-ing all your traffic. Aug 15 14:31:57 porten: yeah I really see no way this can do what it claims, at least, what it claims in the way its written on that article Aug 15 14:32:24 porten: ah hah. there we go. "causes all future traffic to be routed through a vpn to mobilescopes server" Aug 15 14:33:24 porten: so if you want to ship every bit of data to another company who is doign DPI, yeah. That's how they do it. Aug 15 14:33:31 dragorn: Oooo ok Aug 15 14:33:35 lol Aug 15 14:33:51 porten: "can examine data sent over secure connections, like banking websites". Hollllly shit, this thing is EVIL. The only way they should be able to do that is to give you a fake cert, and MITM all your SSL Aug 15 14:33:58 porten: which is crazy dangerously horrible. Wow. Aug 15 14:35:57 porten: if you're willing to root the phone you may be able to play games with iptables doing packet tagging per uid, and track packets back to apps that way. It will definitely require root, which is generally a bad plan. Lots of ppl will run things tht require root, and they really shouldn't, since you lose all control Aug 15 14:35:57 dragorn: where did yuo see hat comment about the routing? Aug 15 14:36:10 hi, someone can help me? I have an custom listview and allways after i added an item to the list and call notifyDataSetChanged() on the adapter i get an null pointer exception Aug 15 14:36:19 porten: in the link you pasted (or the window it tries to open). http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428772/how-to-detect-apps-leaking-your-data/ Aug 15 14:36:20 Which method is garantueed to be called when an activity is closing/finnishing/destroyed? Aug 15 14:36:22 is there some doc guy? https://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/ArrayList.html#ArrayList(int) there should be mentioned that the new list will be *empty*! Aug 15 14:36:34 http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/ArrayList.html#ArrayList(int) it is here Aug 15 14:37:27 i have no idea whats going wrong there Aug 15 14:37:36 johanhar: onPause Aug 15 14:40:05 Pitel_laptop: and with which data would you like your list to be filled ? Aug 15 14:40:05 ... Aug 15 14:40:12 kind of stupid Aug 15 14:40:30 hrnt: so if the activity is being closed from the OS, or backbutton, or Activity.finish or ANY other way, onPause will ALWAYS be called? Aug 15 14:40:44 johanhar: well, it won't be called if you run out of battery Aug 15 14:40:50 haha :D Aug 15 14:40:59 ok, thanks :) Aug 15 14:41:28 so... today is the last day of flash for android Aug 15 14:41:53 im trying to get some text to appear in a webview using loadData, but instead of displaying my webview says "the web page at data:text/html;null;%3Chtml%...all of my text with %20 for spaces etc" Aug 15 14:42:08 why isnt it just displaying properly Aug 15 14:42:15 ive tried removing < and > from the text, Aug 15 14:42:21 am i not able to reappend the adapter with adapter = new Custom(...) and listview.setAdapter(adapter) after calling listview.setAdapter? Aug 15 14:42:31 so im sitting here touchign buttons to animate shit for like 2 mins because everything's slow (galaxy nexus with Aug 15 14:42:34 4.1) Aug 15 14:42:38 dragorn: thanks for the info, that was great Aug 15 14:42:41 turns out i had the debugger attached Aug 15 14:42:50 I'll need to think more about this Aug 15 14:45:51 please, i tried to customise dependend on this tut http://android.un-reachable.net/custom-and-efficient-listview/ and i find no way to add items at runtime:( Aug 15 14:49:24 Activity.finish(), does it call onPause or onStop ? Aug 15 14:49:35 I tried to log, but want to be sure, I got only something on onStop... Aug 15 14:52:09 this time only onPause was called... wtf Aug 15 14:52:30 johanhar: only onPause is guaranteed to get called Aug 15 14:52:37 johanhar: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/activities.html#Lifecycle Aug 15 14:52:41 ok, thanks Aug 15 14:53:18 do I call super.onPause() before or after my own stuff when overriding? does it matteR? Aug 15 14:58:52 WTF the first call to Context.getApplicationInfo() take about 300ms to execute ? Aug 15 14:58:53 johanhar: you'll generally want to call it before. Aug 15 14:59:38 johanhar: finish() will finish your activity altogether, so you'll get onPause, onStop, and onDestroy Aug 15 14:59:59 thanks lov Aug 15 15:05:06 any of you use ormlite? Aug 15 15:05:19 i'm trying to figure out how to handle partial object updates Aug 15 15:05:32 as in, only some of the fields change Aug 15 15:10:01 hi guys Aug 15 15:10:17 need help regarding a custom list view Aug 15 15:10:50 how do i set a onItemclicl listener for a custom list view? Aug 15 15:12:54 adicool123: you mean 'a listview with custom adapter?' Aug 15 15:13:12 ya a list view with a custom adapter Aug 15 15:13:23 it has a imageview n a textview Aug 15 15:13:51 what happen with the normal lv.setOnItemClickListener(new AdapterView.OnItemClickListener() {} Aug 15 15:13:52 its working fine but i just cant attach a listener to the List View Aug 15 15:14:15 my activity extends ListActivity Aug 15 15:14:47 so i did listview l=getListView(); Aug 15 15:15:05 l.setonItemClick doesnt get recognised Aug 15 15:16:27 hoangtran : any ideas? what i may be doing wrong? Aug 15 15:17:23 err, nope, I haven't tried using ListActivity Aug 15 15:17:44 :( Aug 15 15:18:13 here is my java file in case someone needs to have a look : http://pastebin.com/1TtGgzTs Aug 15 15:19:23 adicool123: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/ListActivity.html#onListItemClick(android.widget.ListView,%20android.view.View,%20int,%20long) Aug 15 15:20:34 Geez Aug 15 15:20:42 i messed up Aug 15 15:20:50 i figured out what my problem was Aug 15 15:21:15 i was trying to implement a listener outside the class Aug 15 15:21:24 thanks hoangtran :) Aug 15 15:22:18 np, :), and I notice that you didn't check/reuse the convertView in your getView() method Aug 15 15:23:54 Hello channel. Beginner here. I have a Nexus S loaded with Jelly Bean. I'd like to find and browse the kernel source for that (claimed 3.0.31-letters). Would someone point me to Samsung's kernel sources? Thanks in advance Aug 15 15:23:58 hoangtran: ya i was just messing around i will use it :) Thanks again Aug 15 15:25:22 I know how to build a linux kernel for a GNU/linux system. But I'm not sure where to find android sources. Aug 15 15:27:55 ManoftheSea: this channel is for app development, maybe ask in #android Aug 15 15:28:12 or #android-root Aug 15 15:28:58 ManoftheSea: actually you're probably better off asking in a IRC channel for a group of ROM developers Aug 15 15:29:17 since they're the people actively playing with the kernels Aug 15 15:29:18 Hello Aug 15 15:29:18 wongk jzelinskie thanks. Bye. Aug 15 15:29:23 Does android support java7 syntax? Aug 15 15:29:28 many people in this chanel are very busi with redirekting people:) Aug 15 15:29:52 webczat: no Aug 15 15:30:16 are you sure? It would be very cool if I would be able to use strings in switch/case or try with resources. Aug 15 15:30:24 quite Aug 15 15:30:30 And I'm wondering what will happen with jdk8 Aug 15 15:30:47 because it will add lambdas Aug 15 15:31:06 anyone watching this Samsung announcement ? stream not loading for me Aug 15 15:31:26 Chainfire: no but i bet they are anouncing the iphone 5 Aug 15 15:31:36 if i set setNotifyOnChange(true) in the constructor of a class extending ArrayAdapter, should the view update if i add an item to the array? Aug 15 15:32:27 blacki|dl: no, there are methods o nthe adapter for that Aug 15 15:33:25 wongk yes, you mean notifyOnhange? Aug 15 15:33:38 blacki|dl: no, i mean methods that modify the array and notify Aug 15 15:34:00 wongk with one you mean? Aug 15 15:34:10 there is also a method that notifies if you want to modify the array "manualy" Aug 15 15:34:11 Chainfire: it's the note tablet, isn't it? Aug 15 15:34:25 blacki|dl: check the docs Aug 15 15:36:00 wongk i dont get fit with the docs about 3 days now. and every thing else i read is discrepant Aug 15 15:36:25 i am not able to parse what you just said Aug 15 15:37:42 so if you provide just an xhdpi 9patch, and you have one pixel marked stretchable, hwen it's loaded on ldpi, that pixel can be scaled into nothingness, and it crashes, so they recommend you have at least two pixels Aug 15 15:37:55 am i going to run into the same problem when xxhdpi comes out, and i dont have three pixels? Aug 15 15:38:01 try { parse(blacki|dl); } catch (IOException ie) { Log.i("Parse activity", "Houston, we have a problem"); } Aug 15 15:38:03 i want to communicate with my appengine server, sending a user and password. how can i keep this secure from packet snoopings? ssh? Aug 15 15:38:46 kaneda^: that helps a lot Aug 15 15:43:48 is romcontrol not working in the latest sources? i'm getting this error, and in the manifest ROMCOntrolActivity wasnt delcared correctly https://gist.github.com/3361083 Aug 15 15:46:43 oops wrong channel Aug 15 15:52:48 <_ohm> Real quick, is it possible for an android device to connect and receive data from multiple bluetooth devices or only one device at a time? Aug 15 15:57:50 google suggests that multiple devices of the -same- type will often have problems Aug 15 15:57:57 oh, he left Aug 15 16:00:07 I'm trying to use ViewPageIndicator Aug 15 16:00:10 anyone used it before? Aug 15 16:06:26 My android shows free space + used space == 4 Gb and my sdcard is 8Gb ... Who has been stealing my space ? Aug 15 16:06:44 does it have a partition of some kind? Aug 15 16:06:51 Not that I know of Aug 15 16:08:02 Any other guess ? Aug 15 16:48:59 Anyone knows if theres a file size limit for transfering files via bluetooth ? Aug 15 16:51:37 so Runtime.getRuntime().availableProcessors() returns 1 when my system is supposed to be dual core. Aug 15 16:52:02 moreover, if I partition the work into two threads, they get done in half the time, proving that it is in fact dual core. Even stranger is that when I cat /proc/cpuinfo, it looks like there's just 1 core Aug 15 16:52:15 ARM/Android is just weird Aug 15 16:54:00 Are cores the same as processors? Aug 15 16:54:15 hmm, so there's a TextUtil class for common String manipulation functionality *since* API 1 Aug 15 16:54:23 well, cpuinfo at least should list every execution thread Aug 15 16:54:39 they are to the OS, for all practical purposes Aug 15 16:55:30 well, since I can't reliably find out how many cores there are, I'll just pick a number. 4. There will always be 4 threads. Aug 15 16:56:48 there'd be ndk's android_getCpuCount() though Aug 15 16:57:09 I wonder if that lies Aug 15 16:58:16 I guess there's no way around it. I must write the stupid cpufeatures jni library that I can use to ask this info Aug 15 16:58:19 Fuck. Aug 15 16:58:43 that will take nearly half the time you've spent complaining about it Aug 15 16:58:56 on the upside, at least I get to delete all the ugly runtime neon detection code I wrote. Aug 15 16:59:22 you could benchmark it with threads :) Aug 15 17:01:18 hey, anyone happen to have a suggestion on how to make a clickable textview that looks like a link? Aug 15 17:01:47 i've got the color down and the click handler attached, but i'm not sure how to make it visibly change when you touch it, but haven't released yet Aug 15 17:02:00 put it in an anchor tag Aug 15 17:02:22 oh, i need to run code when the thing is touched; it's not a static link Aug 15 17:03:03 you can customize what actually happens when the link is pressed Aug 15 17:04:06 is there a specific channel for the aosp project? Aug 15 17:06:19 wongk: hmm, do you mean that it should be something like android:text="<a href="#">hello!</a>" ? Aug 15 17:06:43