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Sep 06 03:10:44 <LordLobo> is the play store having issues with publishing updates? I seem to have pushed all the right buttons, but the play store page still shows the old version
Sep 06 03:12:11 * Komak57 ponders for a bit
Sep 06 03:12:32 <Komak57> Is there any EASY way of collecting all of the address information for all the home depot locations to add to a database?
Sep 06 03:14:59 <Komak57> I'm trying to add a specialized store locator for home depots to my app. Our company is a Home Depot contracted vendor, meaning we go to their store and help out. It would be very helpful if I could bulk add the stores to the list, rather than the small list only our district maintains.
Sep 06 03:15:55 <flameshadow> Komak57, have you looked at http://sd.site88.net/thd_store_list.pdf ? You could just cut and paste...
Sep 06 03:16:18 <Komak57> fantastic!
Sep 06 03:16:28 <Komak57> that's exactly what i was using for my district (only got 1 page)
Sep 06 03:17:54 <Komak57> -needs to organise the data he has a little better before he starts on that whopping list-
Sep 06 03:35:14 <Leeds> http://m.mobilenapps.com/articles/4061/20120903/android-users-cheap-more-apps-now-bought.htm
Sep 06 03:39:32 <g00s> \o/
Sep 06 03:40:28 <g00s> oh wait, this is only for SwiftKey ?
Sep 06 03:41:50 <g00s> "We're aware of the reports that installs data displayed in the web view of Google Play store has stopped updating."
Sep 06 03:42:03 <g00s> why do they keep having these stat update problems ?
Sep 06 03:42:26 <jasta> you know, stats is a hard problem in scalable systems
Sep 06 03:42:58 <g00s> hard for some, i guess
Sep 06 03:43:06 <jasta> it's fundamentally centralized.  decentralization is the way you scale.
Sep 06 03:43:32 <jasta> so you kind of have these after thought design problems in scalable systems to tackle stats usually
Sep 06 03:44:34 <ron_frown> its actually surprising how many companies I worked for in the past 5 years that had absoultely 0 clue on how to make things scale
Sep 06 03:44:40 <ron_frown> including current employer
Sep 06 03:44:58 <jasta> well, it's currently a specialized skill.
Sep 06 03:45:03 <jasta> that won't be true for much longer.
Sep 06 03:45:03 <ron_frown> they were complaining about hwo slow reports were because this table had thousands of rows... I was like... what?!
Sep 06 03:45:07 <ron_frown> thats database tuning 101
Sep 06 03:45:17 <ron_frown> I've seen sql server perform WELL with BILLIONS of rows in a table
Sep 06 03:45:34 <jasta> actually, a co-worker of mine just recently said the same thing.  and i was like dude, thousands isn't a large number anymore.  this isn't 1995.
Sep 06 03:45:47 <ron_frown> honestly even in 95, it wasnt that much
Sep 06 03:45:58 <ron_frown> btrees have been in use in database indexing for quite some time
Sep 06 03:46:09 <Leeds> I remember my uncle boasting to me around then, that his company central database had thousands of products in it...
Sep 06 03:46:25 <Leeds> and how it was a massive database they needed to run on a serious IBM computer
Sep 06 03:46:44 <Leeds> and thinking, even then, than a PC running Linux could probably handle it
Sep 06 03:47:53 <Leeds> maybe late 90s... the company no longer exists.
Sep 06 03:48:00 <jasta> well either way, if anyone thinks thousands of records is a problem today they're fucking clueless.
Sep 06 03:48:01 <ron_frown> last company I worked for build a cms that was a complete and utter PILE OF SHIT
Sep 06 03:48:09 <alex_PP> in 95 i was still playing lemmings, oblivious to all this
Sep 06 03:48:14 <ron_frown> I am not exagerating this baby couldnt handle two simutaneous connections
Sep 06 03:48:18 <g00s> i think my android app gets 10k records easily :)
Sep 06 03:48:29 <ron_frown> so their solution? use FUCKING LDAP AS A CMS!
Sep 06 03:48:31 <ron_frown> wtf?
Sep 06 03:48:43 <ron_frown> I just sat there and was like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Sep 06 03:48:57 <jasta> ron_frown: we have a web service that has the exact same problem.  they solved this by adding machines in the load balancer which basically just worked around QA's test script that showed the failure
Sep 06 03:49:06 <jasta> but if QA Just modified the script to make 3 requests instead of 2, it would fail again
Sep 06 03:49:07 <ron_frown> I'm all for creative solutions, but there would never be a point in my thought process ldap would have come up for a solution to slwo cms
Sep 06 03:49:07 <Komak57> Button info = new Button(this); info.setPadding(-50, 0, 0, 0); this moves the button left 50 pixels, right? or is this an improper way of setting Margins?
Sep 06 03:49:13 <jasta> such an lol moment i just walked away from the problem
Sep 06 03:49:17 <jasta> those schmucks are on their own
Sep 06 03:50:02 <jasta> Komak57: seriously don't do this.  if you want custom layout behaviour, create a custom layout.
Sep 06 03:50:02 <Komak57> ~trying to place a button on the right side of some text programmatically and the google script snippets don't exist~
Sep 06 03:50:21 <jasta> when you say things like "layout programmatically", what you really mean is "i want a custom layout", btw.
Sep 06 03:50:44 <ron_frown> my old company used to contract to just about every major mobile developer having a serious part of their software...
Sep 06 03:50:49 <jasta> in most cases you can do what you're looking for in a very understandable, very logically straight forward way with like 10 lines of non-boiler plate code and extending FrameLayout
Sep 06 03:50:59 <ron_frown> so one of our MAJOR clients wanted us to be able to service their 100mil mobile customers
Sep 06 03:51:24 <ron_frown> my genius coworkers put together a design and as we got close to having to report our milestones
Sep 06 03:51:38 <ron_frown> we started benchmarking performance and could get about 10 simutaneous users
Sep 06 03:51:53 <ron_frown> on db server that had 256 gb ram, tons of processors etc
Sep 06 03:52:18 <ron_frown> they were actually ok reporting 10 simutaneous users to customer after 1yr of dev
Sep 06 03:52:25 <Komak57> alternatively, i suppos i can just set the layout params display.getWidth() - 30
Sep 06 03:52:36 <jasta> Komak57: you really, really don't want to play that game.
Sep 06 03:52:57 <jasta> it's a kludgey, terrible pattern that will only explode on you at some point.
Sep 06 03:53:15 <jasta> it's like saying to yourself "hey, how can i avoid understanding anything about layouts in order to do layouts?"
Sep 06 03:53:31 <Komak57> jasta, i have to list a filterred amount of items from a list of (possibly) thousands?
Sep 06 03:53:46 <Komak57> and i want the text, then a button on the right XD
Sep 06 03:53:54 <Komak57> this method has worked for me so far >_>
Sep 06 03:54:04 <farkerhaiku> I still can't find an answer to this problem, although it seems other have had similar issues.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3354955/onactivityresult-called-prematurely
Sep 06 03:54:16 <jasta> Komak57: whatever, i'm off.
Sep 06 03:54:22 <farkerhaiku> I do not have any specified android:launchMode in my manifest
Sep 06 03:54:32 <Komak57> jasta, what exactly are the hazards?
Sep 06 03:55:02 <jasta> Komak57: of manually fiddling with layout params?
Sep 06 03:55:15 <Komak57> o.O i have no layout XML
Sep 06 03:55:26 <Komak57> I'm manually creating the layout
Sep 06 03:55:44 <jasta> well, for starters, your code running in a fragment or activity has _no idea_ what state the view hierarchy is in.  the view system goes through a layout and measure pass that unless you participate in it directly (as in, you create custom views), you have no way to understand its state
Sep 06 03:55:49 <jasta> or participate in that state
Sep 06 03:55:50 <farkerhaiku> Zds comment in my link dictates the exact order of calls that I'm seeing via logcat.   Has anyone else experienced this?
Sep 06 03:55:52 <jasta> for example, dynamically relaying crap out
Sep 06 03:56:16 <Komak57> "state"
Sep 06 03:56:18 <jasta> a great example of this is if you try to do things like getWidth() on a control in onCreate or onResume.  the width is 0.
Sep 06 03:56:18 <Komak57> ?
Sep 06 03:56:29 <jasta> because it hasn't been measured or laid out yet.
Sep 06 03:56:58 <farkerhaiku> Komak57: use an xml layout, it helps a lot.  completely separates the view logic from your code
Sep 06 03:56:59 <jasta> oh, and worse, if you use a handler and callback, sometimes when you call getWidth() you might get 50, then sometimes you might get 80, depending on where the view hierarchy is in its layout process.
Sep 06 03:57:04 <Komak57> well, the first place i used it was in the main activity class, and it does that on button press.
Sep 06 03:57:38 <jasta> but if you want to go down that rabbit hole of misunderstanding, go for it.  but you have a very experienced android developer telling you to learn about layouts.  i think you should listen :)
Sep 06 03:58:31 <Komak57> farkerhaiku: how do you suggest I go about filtering a list of (lets just go and say) 500 custom class items including Store number, Store name, Phone number, Address, and make sure the user finds only the ones he was looking for?
Sep 06 03:59:29 <Komak57> I'm generating this manually because it's a fair bit easier to throw all the store data in an ArrayList, run through the list and filter specifications, and display them in an organised fassion
Sep 06 04:03:12 <Komak57> I use an XML view when I set up any decent amount of data that doesn't need to go away (ever).
Sep 06 04:03:48 <jasta> Komak57: uhm, you can still use XML but create them dynamically with LayoutInflater
Sep 06 04:04:34 <jasta> and you should.  because creating and manipulating views in code is an error prone, hideous pain in the ass.
Sep 06 04:04:36 <Komak57> rather than doing Layout.addView()?
Sep 06 04:04:52 <jasta> no, rather than new SomeView(...)
Sep 06 04:05:05 <jasta> though layoutinflater will also do addView for you if you want.
Sep 06 04:05:07 <Komak57> Layout.addView(info);
Sep 06 04:05:45 <Komak57> I haven't really had any issues with it what-so-ever >_> though it's only been tested on 2 different phone models.
Sep 06 04:05:48 <jasta> whatever man.  if you want to be crude, you go right ahead.
Sep 06 04:06:02 <jasta> i'll choose to be elegant, though.
Sep 06 04:07:13 <farkerhaiku> jasta: any chance you know anything about my setActivityResult problem?
Sep 06 04:07:32 <farkerhaiku> setResult rather?  I've had a long night trying to figure this stuff out...
Sep 06 04:07:42 <Komak57> I'm listening to your argument, but your method seems like such a ton of additional code that doesn't seem to truely add any additional stability >_> I'm only using the display.getwidth - 50 to tell my new view that there needs to be some space on the right for a button?
Sep 06 04:10:13 <jasta> farkerhaiku: sorry, gotta run
Sep 06 04:10:18 <jasta> Komak57: lol, are you really using a constant of 50?
Sep 06 04:10:25 <jasta> farkerhaiku: komak is baiting me, i can't help it :)
Sep 06 04:10:34 <Komak57> The Imagebutton is only 45 pixels wide XD
Sep 06 04:10:43 <jasta> wow.
Sep 06 04:10:45 <Komak57> thank you though jasta
Sep 06 04:10:47 <jasta> except that it's not.
Sep 06 04:10:56 <jasta> are you not familiar with dip units?
Sep 06 04:11:02 <farkerhaiku> jasta: no worries.... someone is wrong on the internet, i totally understand
Sep 06 04:11:06 <Komak57> info.setLayoutParams(new LayoutParams(40, 40));
Sep 06 04:11:12 <Komak57> LayoutParams uses pixel format
Sep 06 04:11:16 <jasta> yes it does
Sep 06 04:11:21 <Komak57> why, i have no idea
Sep 06 04:11:22 <jasta> guess what you're not supposed to use?
Sep 06 04:12:04 <Komak57> jasta, go on now XD I'll take heed of your advice if anything bugs in a later date.
Sep 06 04:12:08 <jasta> http://developer.android.com/intl/zh-TW/guide/practices/screens_support.html -- dp is what you want.
Sep 06 04:12:14 <Komak57> I still don't even know if ill be allowed to publicise this app
Sep 06 04:12:18 <jasta> and yes, using a constant will be buggy.
Sep 06 04:12:22 <jasta> seriously, SERIOUSLY buggy.
Sep 06 04:12:28 <jasta> just bring in my galaxy nexus, and i'm sure it'll fail hard.
Sep 06 04:13:00 <jasta> dp's are such a pain to use in code, too.  in XML, it's just the difference between typing px or dp.
Sep 06 04:13:02 <Komak57> i'd love to have you test it
Sep 06 04:13:10 <jasta> except that i won't.
Sep 06 04:13:18 <Komak57> XD
Sep 06 04:14:04 <Komak57> I suppose the biggest problem i would have here, is the icon would be super small on very high resolution phones..
Sep 06 04:25:32 <farkerhaiku> bah ok in the event that this is scraped and someone googles my question, the problem was in launching the new intent.  I had "intent.addFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK);" which seems to break out of the setActivityForResult flow
Sep 06 04:28:42 <buggi22> Hi All -- I know there are many ways to do animations in Android.  I'd like to know what approach you would recommend for doing the following: within a rectangular region that occupies only part of the screen, animate the translation, rotation, and color of various shapes using parameters that are known only at runtime.
Sep 06 04:28:50 <buggi22> The animation details would be loaded from persistent storage, but wouldn't be affected by any user input while it plays.  The shapes can either be a polygonal "path" object or a rasterized image -- I'd use whichever one would be easier.
Sep 06 05:12:10 <phantal> I'm looking at the LunarLander example that comes with the SDK, trying to get a handle on how Layouts work ... in that sample, the basic setup is: <FrameLayout> <some.view/> <RelativeLayout> <TextView/> </RelativeLayout> </FrameLayout>.  They do this so the TextView can be centered horizontally.  Is there any difference at all in what they did -vs- making the outer Layout be a RelativeLayout and getting rid of the inner layout?
Sep 06 05:14:51 <phantal> I saw a statement that FrameLayout is fast because it's very simple, but no explanation or example was given as to how there would be a speed difference.  If I had to guess, I'm guessing they did this because of a potential speed issue from using RelativeLayout to wrap the view ... anyone wanna take a stab at an answer?
Sep 06 05:16:19 <phantal> I tried switching it as I described, and I don't see an obvious speed difference, but that isn't to say it wasn't done out of habit or whatever
Sep 06 05:25:43 <c2tarun> how can I intercept a incoming call and activate my own activity or something like that?
Sep 06 05:39:20 <phantal> What is the difference between lockCanvas() and lockCanvas(null)?
Sep 06 06:42:25 <sebrock> Can I expect any trouble having both the Android plugin and Web Tools installed in Eclipse?
Sep 06 06:42:44 <lasserix> Can you restart a loader without calling initLoader first?
Sep 06 06:49:27 <dvdh> [Starts a new or restarts an existing Loader in this manager
Sep 06 06:49:32 <dvdh> yup
Sep 06 06:49:39 <lasserix> oh cool thanks
Sep 06 06:51:36 <flam_> fucking eclipse
Sep 06 06:52:16 <flam_> it says that isEmpty() is undefined for the type String and the method setRoundingMode(RoundingMode) is undefined for the type DecimalFormat
Sep 06 06:52:26 <flam_> tried to fix project properties but it didn't help
Sep 06 06:52:32 <flam_> how on earth can i fix this absurdity
Sep 06 06:52:33 <flam_> fucmk
Sep 06 06:52:41 <alex_PP> clean & restart?
Sep 06 06:52:47 <Leeds> do you have the java version set to 6+?
Sep 06 06:53:01 <Leeds> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1483534/java-isempty-undefined-for-string
Sep 06 06:53:40 <flam_> i have jre7
Sep 06 06:53:52 <Leeds> good. that wasn't the question
Sep 06 06:54:44 <flam_> where can i find the version?
Sep 06 06:55:26 <Leeds> no idea - apart from that stackoverflow link I just gave you
Sep 06 06:56:01 <lasserix> is there a way to change the to parameter of simple cursor adapter, like if i am pulling from a different table in a loader?
Sep 06 07:00:11 <lasserix> projection determines which fields from the db to populate the cursor with, and it always has to include the primary key, but I can not include other fields as to make it faster?
Sep 06 07:00:34 <lasserix> and if I do so, does the projected columns still retain the column indexes from the database?
Sep 06 07:06:54 <flam_> fuck
Sep 06 07:06:57 <flam_> didn't solve it
Sep 06 07:07:25 <flam_> changed compiler compliance to 1.6 but didn't help a thing
Sep 06 07:18:00 <lasserix> If I have a database table with fields: id, name, score; is there some way where if I making a call to the list of all names I can avoid getting any further instances of a name?
Sep 06 07:20:11 <Ivru> lasserix: DISTINCT
Sep 06 07:20:58 <lasserix> so String selection = "DISTINCT"
Sep 06 07:21:21 <lasserix> or * distinct?
Sep 06 07:22:16 <Ivru> select distinct name from yourTable
Sep 06 07:22:34 <Ivru> I guess sqlite offers the disctinct keyword
Sep 06 07:22:51 <lasserix> Thanks I see that but I'm using a cursorloader so I got to figure out how to fit in among the parameters
Sep 06 07:31:35 <lasserix> Doesn't look like you can with a cursorloader
Sep 06 07:31:55 <lasserix> *can't
Sep 06 07:33:27 <lasserix> Oh joy more tables!
Sep 06 07:45:06 <hamcore> What's the best-easier way to send a data from android to an website?
Sep 06 07:45:44 <Leeds> HTTP
Sep 06 07:45:47 <Leeds> duh :)
Sep 06 07:46:16 <hamcore> Leeds Does it have something to send directly to a mysql server?
Sep 06 07:46:22 <Leeds> nope
Sep 06 07:47:53 <hamcore> I'll try http://www.androidsnippets.com/executing-a-http-post-request-with-httpclient, thanks Leeds
Sep 06 07:48:39 <Leeds> you might also find http://android-developers.blogspot.hk/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html helpful
Sep 06 07:49:24 <hamcore> nice, ty.
Sep 06 07:51:38 <ixc> libmysql :))
Sep 06 07:52:10 <r0yalty> I have a ViewPager which I supplied with a pageAdapter containing 3 fragments. Everything works fine. Now I want to "disable" one of the fragments from time to time, what would be the easiest way to achieve this?
Sep 06 07:56:04 <sunny_slls> hey everybody
Sep 06 07:56:16 <sunny_slls> i am facing an issue with the listview
Sep 06 07:56:50 <sunny_slls> i have a view in which there are 2 child. one is the imagebutton while the other is the textview
Sep 06 07:57:14 <sunny_slls> onclick of the imagebutton i change the imagebackground as the checked image
Sep 06 07:57:47 <sunny_slls> but when i scroll it i can see the 10th or the 9th item getting selected automatically in the listview
Sep 06 07:58:23 <sunny_slls> also sometimes while scrolling back to the previous position the image is again replaced automatically by unchecked image
Sep 06 07:58:30 <sunny_slls> how can i resolve this issue ?\
Sep 06 07:58:32 <sunny_slls> please help
Sep 06 08:00:41 <vavirta> remember that Android is reusing the table cells
Sep 06 08:01:21 <hamcore> Leeds java.net.SocketException: Permission denied
Sep 06 08:01:24 <sunny_slls> ok
Sep 06 08:01:32 <Leeds> hamcore: got INTERNET permission?
Sep 06 08:01:37 <hamcore> ah, nevermind, manifest
Sep 06 08:01:39 <hamcore> thanks.
Sep 06 08:03:32 <sunny_slls> vavirta: so how can i show the correct selection while scrolling
Sep 06 08:03:43 <hamcore> Isn't this possible to store doubles using BasicNameValuePair?
Sep 06 08:03:48 <sunny_slls> vavirta: if its using the same table cells
Sep 06 08:04:23 <hamcore> data.add(new BasicNameValuePair("temperatura",(Double)location.getLatitude()));
Sep 06 08:04:56 <tabman> hi, i need some help with opengl & android ?
Sep 06 08:05:31 <g00s> tabman: are you sure ?
Sep 06 08:05:47 <tabman> i'm not sure if this is the appropriate channel for that ?
Sep 06 08:05:48 <sunny_slls> vavirta: you there ?
Sep 06 08:06:08 <g00s> tabman: it is
Sep 06 08:07:11 <tabman> g00s: ok
Sep 06 08:07:45 <tabman> I have a texture loaded and it renders the texture fine, while the code is running I need to replace it with another texture, I load the new texture into it the same way the first time was done but it doesn't replace it with new texture
Sep 06 08:08:16 <sunny_slls> hi g00s
Sep 06 08:08:29 <tabman> for some reason the old texture is not replaced with new texture, how could I debug this
Sep 06 08:08:41 <g00s> hi sunny_slls
Sep 06 08:08:51 <sunny_slls> g00s: the usage of same table index in listview is arising issue for me
Sep 06 08:09:18 <lasserix> tabman are you remembering to call bindTexture before calling txcoordpointer?
Sep 06 08:09:20 <sunny_slls> g00s: on selecting the first index, the 10th index gets selected automatically
Sep 06 08:09:38 <sunny_slls> which i can see while i scroll down
Sep 06 08:10:14 <sunny_slls> also when i scroll up , sometimes the 0th position which i had selected earlier gets deselected automatically
Sep 06 08:10:26 <sunny_slls> g00s: how can i resolve this ?
Sep 06 08:10:49 <lasserix> i haven't played with opengl in a while but the sequence i have from last working stuff goes ...   glGenTexture, glBindTexture,glTexParameter,GLUtils when loading the texture
Sep 06 08:11:20 <tabman> lasserix: I'm able to load the texture fine first time & it works, the issue is replacing it with another texture so I assume the method calls are all fine cause it works first time
Sep 06 08:11:47 <g00s> sunny_slls: i dunno :(
Sep 06 08:11:59 <lasserix> then in ondraw you use glEnable(tex2d), glBindTexture, glEnableClientState(texcoorarray), glTexCoorpoint
Sep 06 08:11:59 <sunny_slls> g00s: oh~! ok
Sep 06 08:12:04 <sunny_slls> no problem
Sep 06 08:12:07 <lasserix> don't assume with opengl
Sep 06 08:12:27 <lasserix> that order of function calls worked for me
Sep 06 08:12:34 <lasserix> assuming you are 1.0 es
Sep 06 08:12:58 <lasserix> some guy had the same problem a long long time ago and it turned out he forgot to call bindtexture again in the onDraw
Sep 06 08:13:54 <lasserix> but i guess you have to make two calls to glBindTexture once when you load it and then again when you draw it
Sep 06 08:14:22 <lasserix> otherwise just make sure you are correctly referencing the right texture handle
Sep 06 08:14:34 <tabman> lasserix: let me check that
Sep 06 08:17:19 <tabman> lasserix: I don't make a call to bind in ondraw but bind is called when the next texture is loaded
Sep 06 08:17:30 <lasserix> yeah
Sep 06 08:17:34 <lasserix> you have to call it in onDraw
Sep 06 08:18:20 <lasserix> or so i believe, it's been a while but that is the method sequence in my working texture animator
Sep 06 08:20:35 <lasserix> the reason is is because since its a functional pipeline you have to "reinitialize" the texture to be bound otherwise it doesn't know
Sep 06 08:20:46 <lasserix> ie texcoor is not sufficient
Sep 06 08:21:04 <tabman> lasserix: I'm not sure if that is the problem
Sep 06 08:21:17 <lasserix> did you try?
Sep 06 08:23:28 <hamcore> http://pastebin.ca/2201700 - What's wrong here?
Sep 06 08:23:29 <lasserix> well i am probably wrong anyways check out the texture portion: http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/android/Android_3D.html#zz-2.8
Sep 06 08:23:58 <hamcore> oops, minus the + before lat and lon
Sep 06 08:24:23 <hamcore> "lat",lat and "lon",long are being rejected
Sep 06 08:25:23 <tabman> lasserix: they code is not that simple that I could change the method calls just like that
Sep 06 08:25:59 <lasserix> according to this tutorial: http://blog.uncle.se/2012/02/opengl-es-tutorial-for-android-part-vi-textures/
Sep 06 08:26:03 <lasserix> my original statement was correct
Sep 06 08:26:17 <lasserix> you need to make a call gl.glBindTexture(GL10.GL_TEXTURE_2D, textures[0]);
Sep 06 08:26:20 <lasserix> in the ondraw method
Sep 06 08:26:28 <lasserix> which is why it is not changing textures
Sep 06 08:27:02 <lasserix> since it is a functional pipeline you have to "flag" opengl to use the new texture, by calling gl.glBindTexture EACH time you use the texture in onDraw
Sep 06 08:27:21 <lasserix> gl.glTexCoordPointer is not sufficient for using the new texture in the onDraw,
Sep 06 08:27:41 <tabman> lasserix: thanks for the tutorial, that might help to learn some opengl stuff, I don't know much about it
Sep 06 08:27:45 <lasserix> tabman not so simple what do you mean?
Sep 06 08:27:48 <lasserix> use the second link
Sep 06 08:28:03 <lasserix> it's more user friendly for newbies
Sep 06 08:28:23 <lasserix> what do you mean your code is not as simple you can't change it!?!
Sep 06 08:28:32 <tabman> lasserix: yes
Sep 06 08:28:36 <tabman> lasserix: 2nd link ?
Sep 06 08:28:45 <lasserix> http://blog.uncle.se/2012/02/opengl-es-tutorial-for-android-part-vi-textures/
Sep 06 08:28:54 <lasserix> make sure to read part i through vi
Sep 06 08:29:08 <lasserix> very good introduction
Sep 06 08:29:45 <lasserix> what do you mean you can't change your code though?!?
Sep 06 08:30:46 <tabman> lasserix: I mean its quite big code
Sep 06 08:31:02 <lasserix> you are using eclipse?
Sep 06 08:31:16 <tabman> lasserix: but this link you gave me I think it'll give me enough knowledge to get upto speed with opengel & then debug the problem myself, thanks a lot
Sep 06 08:31:22 <tabman> lasserix: yes eclipse
Sep 06 08:31:35 <lasserix> the problem of why it won't change textures is because
Sep 06 08:31:41 <lasserix> if you look in your ondraw method
Sep 06 08:31:57 <lasserix> you need to call gl.glBindTexture before calling gl.glTexCoordPointer
Sep 06 08:32:13 <tabman> lasserix: i'm not calling glTexCoordPointer in ondraw either
Sep 06 08:32:37 <lasserix> are you doing opengl es 1.0 or 2.0?
Sep 06 08:32:43 <tabman> lasserix: 2.0
Sep 06 08:32:47 <lasserix> oh thats why!
Sep 06 08:32:52 <lasserix> sorry i was talking about 1.0
Sep 06 08:33:14 <lasserix> IN that case, here don't bother with that link that's all 1.0 stuff
Sep 06 08:33:22 <lasserix> I haven't gone thru it all but here's a link for 2.0 http://www.learnopengles.com/android-lesson-one-getting-started/
Sep 06 08:33:36 <lasserix> you can also try #opengl
Sep 06 08:33:50 <lasserix> most of those guys do stuff not for opengl es but sometimes they do
Sep 06 08:34:34 <lasserix> anyways sorry i couldnt be of more help, good luck!
Sep 06 08:36:30 <lasserix> tabman: here is about http://www.learnopengles.com/android-lesson-four-introducing-basic-texturing/ texturing for 2.0
Sep 06 08:36:48 <tabman> lasserix: thanks a lot
Sep 06 08:38:58 <tneva82_> hahaha. I give boss new version of apk, he starts installing and then I got idea how to fix another issue and laughed out loud. He realized that new version was coming and moaned "don't tell me you are going to give me yet another version". Haha. Taste of your own medicine! ;) Have lost count how often I have started compiling and testing only for him to give me yet another version of
Sep 06 08:38:58 <tneva82_> pictures to use.
Sep 06 08:50:27 <Sicp> I keep getting "undefined" as line 14's output! how is this possible? http://pastebin.com/H9H1ywXz
Sep 06 08:50:34 <Sicp> I am asking a <p> element whose ID is "paragraph" to get focus, then I print out which element is focused, I get undefined
Sep 06 08:50:47 <Sicp> this is for a Samsung TV app
Sep 06 08:57:51 <Leeds> Sicp: really, this isn't the right place for samsung tv stuff
Sep 06 08:58:12 <soa2ii> Hi. If there's no WIFI available here right now is there an easy way to get internet with my notebook (linux)? It looks like android doesn't like my ad-hoc AP :-(
Sep 06 08:58:41 <Sicp> argh
Sep 06 08:58:48 <Sicp> there IS NO PLACE for that shit.
Sep 06 08:58:58 <Sicp> I should be switching to dev for google tv
Sep 06 08:59:02 <Leeds> as I asked last time, do they even have open development for it?
Sep 06 08:59:17 <Sicp> I don't know what that means
Sep 06 08:59:19 <Sicp> the SDK is there
Sep 06 08:59:37 <Leeds> where?
Sep 06 08:59:49 <Leeds> how do you deliver apps to the TV?
Sep 06 09:00:14 <ixc> what a question; postman go and install with adb
Sep 06 09:00:18 <Sicp> you can upload it to your own tv
Sep 06 09:00:24 <Sicp> hey, good question..
Sep 06 09:00:51 <Sicp> you mean where is their Store?
Sep 06 09:01:01 <Sicp> where you can submit your own? that's open development?
Sep 06 09:01:13 <Leeds> yes
Sep 06 09:01:46 <Sicp> does Google TV have open development?
Sep 06 09:01:57 <Leeds> yes
Sep 06 09:02:10 <Leeds> just no users :)
Sep 06 09:02:28 <Sicp> what do you mean?
Sep 06 09:02:35 <Sicp> it isn't picking up yet?
Sep 06 09:04:05 <lasserix> google fiber
Sep 06 09:04:21 <Leeds> the takeup of first-gen GTV was terrible - Logitech wrote off millions in losses, and their CEO (I think) resigned over it
Sep 06 09:04:38 <lasserix> gooogggllle fiiibbbeerrr
Sep 06 09:04:38 <g00s> i remember that
Sep 06 09:04:43 <Leeds> second-gen has been rolling out over the past couple of months, but it's too soon to see if it will actually go anywhere
Sep 06 09:05:26 <Leeds> 2nd-gen certainly has more potential - the hardware is cheaper and more powerful, and hopefully Google have learned a bit of a lesson about content by now...
Sep 06 09:05:41 <lasserix> gooooooggggllllleeee ffiiiiiibbbbbeeeerrrr
Sep 06 09:05:58 <Leeds> lasserix: yes, can we help you?
Sep 06 09:06:11 <lasserix> Oh no but gtv is just waiting on google fiber to take off
Sep 06 09:06:35 <Leeds> er, no
Sep 06 09:06:53 <lasserix> why not?
Sep 06 09:07:22 <Leeds> because we're not talking about Google's TV-over-experimental-fibre service
Sep 06 09:07:29 <Leeds> we're talking about the Android-on-TV platform
Sep 06 09:07:46 <lasserix> what better way to serve up content than google fiber on any android-on-tv platform?
Sep 06 09:08:02 <g00s> lasserix: google fiber is facing some big roadblocks itself
Sep 06 09:08:10 <lasserix> sign a two year less get a rebate on a gtv
Sep 06 09:08:20 <lasserix> no doubt i am just saying the two could go hand in hand very well
Sep 06 09:08:38 <g00s> … profit !
Sep 06 09:08:48 <lasserix> underpants, ???, profit!
Sep 06 09:08:49 <Leeds> hopefully they have bigger plans for GTV than one US city
Sep 06 09:09:34 <stork> cannot get my head around viewpager
Sep 06 09:09:43 <lasserix> goos what roadblocks anyway?
Sep 06 09:10:02 <stork> why did they rewrite the adapter system (i.e. PagerAdapter)
Sep 06 09:10:30 <lasserix> whats the problem stork?
Sep 06 09:10:35 <Sicp> I am not getting anywhere with finding out if there is open development or not, Leeds; can you take your go?
Sep 06 09:10:46 <Sicp> maybe you know what to search for
Sep 06 09:10:46 <lasserix> viewpager is like a book the adapter loads the pages
Sep 06 09:11:26 <Leeds> Sicp: um, no - I don't care, except that it's definitely nothing to do with Android, so off-topic here
Sep 06 09:11:36 <Sicp> I thought you'd not care, yea
Sep 06 09:11:44 <Leeds> presumably you know *something* about it, unless you're just messing around on your own TV
Sep 06 09:11:45 <Sicp> ok I'll tell if I get to anything definitive
Sep 06 09:11:58 <Leeds> where do you get the SDK?
Sep 06 09:11:59 <Sicp> nah just using the emulator from their SDK
Sep 06 09:12:05 <stork> i just tried removing a view from my pageradapter using destroyItem and it just left a blank space in my viewpager.. not all that helpful
Sep 06 09:12:15 <Sicp> from SamsungDForum
Sep 06 09:12:28 <Sicp> http://www.samsungdforum.com/
Sep 06 09:12:50 <lasserix> stork look for circular pager adapter it may help you understand
Sep 06 09:12:51 <stork> fuck it, might just stick to using gallery
Sep 06 09:13:17 <Leeds> there seems to be a big link there for "How to submit an app to the Samsung TV store"
Sep 06 09:14:16 <Sicp> where..
Sep 06 09:14:33 <Leeds> on the front page of that site, in the revolving banner
Sep 06 09:15:11 <Sicp> see, knew you'd figure it out
Sep 06 09:15:12 <Sicp> haha
Sep 06 09:15:16 <Sicp> yea that was shameful
Sep 06 09:15:27 <Sicp> so there is open development for Samsung TV apps
Sep 06 09:15:32 <Sicp> but it has nothing to do with this channel.
Sep 06 09:15:37 <Leeds> no idea - it asked me to sign in before I could read that page
Sep 06 09:16:36 <Sicp> yea I'm there now
Sep 06 09:20:55 <DallaRosa> who's the schemer?
Sep 06 09:22:28 <meadhikari> hey guys, getting out of memory when reading content from the url, I am using https://gist.github.com/3653543 Is there anyway I could optimize this so as not to get out of memory?
Sep 06 09:23:27 <Sicp> I am not a Schemer, but I have learned a little Scheme in the past
Sep 06 09:50:25 <venik> hi guys, some1 know what happens with ccache inside ndk?
Sep 06 09:57:22 <stork> how can i debug a slow layout? i've got a gallery with some custom views in it that oddly runs really butter-smooth on an old htc desire but really slowly on my gnex - ?
Sep 06 09:59:58 <ixc> hiearchyviewer
Sep 06 10:03:53 <stork> ok
Sep 06 10:07:02 <ecraven> how do i best store colors in a content-provider, for use with background color of rows in a ListActivity?
Sep 06 10:08:22 <venik> hmm)) maybe I need to go on another channel related ti ndk, do you know something?
Sep 06 10:10:33 <tneva82_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AutoCompleteTextView.html <- why straight copy&paste from this fails to work? No suggestions pop up. If I read page right this shouldn't even be case of too old api in use(like which ruined one good example from me)
Sep 06 10:16:38 <stork> how on earth do you remove an item from a pager adapter
Sep 06 10:24:58 <stork> i call destroyItem and then notifyDataSetChange - the item goes, but the adapter doesn't like refresh the data - there's just a blank space where that item was
Sep 06 10:30:24 <Parhs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyiw0K5HWeo nsfw
Sep 06 10:35:22 <lasserix> stork why are you using destroyitem?
Sep 06 10:35:58 <stork> what should I be using?
Sep 06 10:36:35 <brabo> hi
Sep 06 10:36:49 <lasserix> destroyItem is called to remove views from the cache
Sep 06 10:37:02 <lasserix> a pageradapter only creates adjacent views
Sep 06 10:37:15 <lasserix> so 0, 1, 2, 3
Sep 06 10:37:32 <lasserix> when i go from 1 -> 2 destroyItem is called for 0
Sep 06 10:37:54 <lasserix> and the create is called for 3
Sep 06 10:38:46 <stork> i see
Sep 06 10:39:18 <lasserix> why are you destroying this view?
Sep 06 10:39:28 <lasserix> you want to remove it from the adapter?
Sep 06 10:39:37 <stork> yeah
Sep 06 10:39:49 <stork> i think i need to override getItemPosition
Sep 06 10:40:18 <lasserix> i dont know to be honest but destroyitem is used by the adapter to release views not adjacent to the current "page"
Sep 06 10:40:51 <tneva82_> what's ems btw? Seems some sort of size but not sure what it does
Sep 06 10:41:05 <tneva82_> eclipse graphical UI designer slapped it so got curious
Sep 06 10:42:13 <lasserix> ems is a relative metric
Sep 06 10:43:52 <lasserix> "It relates text size to sizes of other things." not sure how it works on android
Sep 06 10:46:02 <lasserix> stork u have to remove views from the viewpager not pageradapter here
Sep 06 10:46:02 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8060904/add-delete-pages-to-viewpager-dynamically
Sep 06 10:47:06 <lasserix> to get around the remove item at 0
Sep 06 10:47:19 <lasserix> just never let the user get to position zero
Sep 06 10:47:36 <lasserix> and "start" the list at position 1, forcing it back to zero with onpageselected
Sep 06 10:48:40 <lasserix> *err us setOnPageChangeListener and if the position is 0 just set it to 1, and never populate the first item (won't matter since user cant get there) that way you can always delete
Sep 06 10:49:23 <stork> doesn't work
Sep 06 10:50:12 <lasserix> ?
Sep 06 10:52:21 <stork> if i delete a view from the middle the views around don't 'reshuffle'
Sep 06 10:53:14 <lasserix> Yes, the code should be like this:
Sep 06 10:53:24 <lasserix> ie from 2 answer
Sep 06 11:03:34 <g00s> wow, a book on Bluetooth Low Energy coming out
Sep 06 11:08:06 <tneva82_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AutoCompleteTextView.html <- okay this is almost what I want but problem is suggestion can't be directly figured from the typed text. User will be typing numbers(code number) and I would want it to show possible choises with plain text name. I would have table with code=>name so basically I would need to find possibilities there. Is
Sep 06 11:08:07 <tneva82_> this possible at all?
Sep 06 11:11:42 <ch0wn> Do you guys knows of any well done apps using In-App Billing besides games?
Sep 06 11:17:56 <tneva82_> gah. now the boss thought up buttons that would be vertical, ie text go top to bottom rather than left to right. groovy
Sep 06 11:18:27 <Blou_Aap> I made an app for the better part of this year, no im putting it on the market . the app is specifically aimed at hte 10.1 galaxy tab
Sep 06 11:18:44 <Blou_Aap> why does the developer console tell me it's not supported due to my manifest ?
Sep 06 11:23:09 <lasserix> tneva82 sure why wouldn't it be possible?
Sep 06 11:24:29 <tneva82_> well yeah I'm sure it's possible but personally not fan of the idea
Sep 06 11:25:08 <tneva82_> btw yesterdays layout weight to divide screen equally to edittext. it seems it causes that when I type text the other 2 shrink in size. did I forget something?
Sep 06 11:25:43 <lasserix> i dont know haven't used edit texts much
Sep 06 11:25:54 <lasserix> im sure there is some xml flag to keep size constant
Sep 06 11:27:33 <lasserix> stork any luck?
Sep 06 11:27:43 <stork> yeah
Sep 06 11:28:06 <stork> i had to override getItemPosition
Sep 06 11:28:13 <lasserix> interesting
Sep 06 11:28:21 <brabo> hi, i'm a total java/android newb and i'm trying to implement http://marakana.com/forums/android/examples/40.html, but i keep getting java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.example.lurker.WifiDemo errors.. can someone look at my files with me? i messed a bit in the manifest but it stays the same
Sep 06 11:30:16 <lasserix> brabo you can use logcat?
Sep 06 11:30:37 <lasserix> the logcat will tell you what line number the error is stemming from
Sep 06 11:30:41 <brabo> yes, it is from logcat that i have the error
Sep 06 11:31:02 <lasserix> at the end of that line is a number, find that number in your code and see if you can id the problem
Sep 06 11:31:40 <lasserix> *line number
Sep 06 11:32:05 <lasserix> you have to look in the logcat for the error line that is referencing your code, not the underlying android code
Sep 06 11:32:21 <lasserix> you should be able to tell cause it'll reference the package or whatever
Sep 06 11:33:22 <jui-feng> brabo, have you compiled other apps before? I once had the ClassNotFoundException when my project was accidentally configured to java7, and eclipse basically ignored the dex error (though the "DDMS Console" in eclipse had some error message)
Sep 06 11:33:22 <brabo> okay thanks, i will try that
Sep 06 11:33:41 <brabo> jui-feng: no, i'm just starting out with java
Sep 06 11:34:11 <jui-feng> if you can't identify the line in your code where the exception occurs, then it might be a bad project setup
Sep 06 11:35:34 <jui-feng> sorry, the "Android Console" had the error message, not DDMS
Sep 06 11:35:42 <brabo> hm lasserix there is no line number at the end so to see, just line numbers at all the uhm java libs? that are failing
Sep 06 11:35:48 <brabo> lasserix: let me make a paste
Sep 06 11:36:03 <lasserix> stacktrace or gtfo!
Sep 06 11:59:44 <lasserix> brabo you figure it out?
Sep 06 11:59:50 <lasserix> Ahh the infinite bundle.
Sep 06 12:00:33 <venik> 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c
Sep 06 12:12:40 <ertl> hello guys, I'm trying to use the GPS in the emulator (with the "geo fix" command) to set some fake coords and get latitude and longitude values inside my app, but something is not working as expected (it looks like the values are not present), my code is here: http://pastebin.com/DGY4bYqe
Sep 06 12:13:28 <lasserix> Does order by random work with cursorloaders?
Sep 06 12:13:58 <ixc> order by on database level
Sep 06 12:14:25 <ixc> cursor loader for load cursor(s)
Sep 06 12:15:08 <Blou_Aap> sigh, the developer console is so retarded
Sep 06 12:15:30 <Blou_Aap> i had to update my app like 50 times and I still cant get it to allow the device im targeting
Sep 06 12:15:49 <Blou_Aap> which is only one single ole' galaxy tab 10.1 p7500
Sep 06 12:16:20 <lasserix> ixc can i use RANDOM for the orderBy arguement on a cursorloader?
Sep 06 12:18:10 <osxorgate> ertl your app has correct permission?
Sep 06 12:19:32 <ertl> osxorgate: I'm using ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION, ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS, ACCESS_MOCK_LOCATION, CONTROL_LOCATION_UPDATES and INTERNET
Sep 06 12:21:21 <ixc> lasserix: orderby in sql, not on cursorloader
Sep 06 12:21:52 <lasserix> i have to use the cursorloader for this since i have it attached to a listfragment
Sep 06 12:22:02 <lasserix> can i throw random in the ORDERBY arguement ?
Sep 06 12:22:14 <osxorgate> ertl and you get null back? have you tried using a listener, and then after it's registered, send a geo fix command?
Sep 06 12:22:16 <lasserix> or is there no way to randomize my cursorloader?
Sep 06 12:22:29 <lasserix> *randomize the order by
Sep 06 12:22:46 <ixc> lasserix: short: u can; long: please read about sql, content provider, cursor and cursorloader
Sep 06 12:23:11 <lasserix> do you happen to know if I can simply put "RANDOM()" as the orderBy arguement?
Sep 06 12:23:29 <ertl> osxorgate: yeah, with that code I'm always getting a null ... the listener is a mandatory thing? I thought I could use a geo fix command even without it
Sep 06 12:23:39 <lasserix> because cursorloader queries don't correspond exactly to rawqueries (you cant do certain things like distinct)
Sep 06 12:23:54 <osxorgate> ertl yes i would think so as well.. try the code on your phone maybe
Sep 06 12:24:05 <ixc> lasserix: queries in content provider
Sep 06 12:24:12 <osxorgate> emu is always a bit sketchy in that regard
Sep 06 12:24:20 <lasserix> sorry I dont know what that means
Sep 06 12:24:20 <ixc> cursor loader just a helper for load some cursor asynchronous
Sep 06 12:24:41 <lasserix> I know but I am using a loader which has to return a cursorloader
Sep 06 12:24:51 <lasserix> in the on create method
Sep 06 12:26:43 <ixc> you should read min. cursorloader and content provider (or if u not use contentprovider, must to know what u made in database 'manager')
Sep 06 12:27:01 <lasserix> i have read both
Sep 06 12:27:30 <lasserix> i have both implemented, I would like to know if I can use RANDOM as the order argument for the cursorloader constructor in my cursorloaders oncreate method
Sep 06 12:27:50 <lasserix> *i am using contentprovider
Sep 06 12:28:34 <lasserix> or do I have to make my own custom loader just to do that one thing?
Sep 06 12:29:32 <ixc> no
Sep 06 12:29:49 <makubi> Hi there. Is there any possibility to add Views to the UI from a second thread (via a Handler) or is this impossible?
Sep 06 12:30:24 <lasserix> public CursorLoader (Context context, Uri uri, String[] projection, String selection, String[] selectionArgs, String sortOrder)  ---> Can I pass "random" for sortOrder and get a randomized cursor?
Sep 06 12:31:04 <makubi> I tried to do so, but the UI does not get updated. It just stays blank.
Sep 06 12:31:33 <lasserix> makubi ui operations must be performed on main/gui thread
Sep 06 12:31:43 <ixc> makubi: u need run on main thread ur ui operations
Sep 06 12:31:46 <makubi> lasserix: that's why I used a Handler
Sep 06 12:32:16 <makubi> I am initializing the Handler in the onCreate-method of the activity
Sep 06 12:32:36 <makubi> passing it to another class, where it gets updates after loading of data is finished
Sep 06 12:33:28 <lasserix> the other class lives on the main thread?
Sep 06 12:33:38 <lasserix> you could use Async task
Sep 06 12:33:52 <lasserix> has convience methods for you to do just that kinda of thing
Sep 06 12:34:36 <lasserix> from so " You need to create a Handler in the UI thread and then use it to post or send a message from your other thread to update the UI "
Sep 06 12:35:48 <lasserix> or use async task
Sep 06 12:36:13 <makubi> lasserix: thats what I did: http://paste.coding4coffee.org/show.php?p=KVdjjq26
Sep 06 12:37:30 <makubi> this is the ActivityWorker class: http://paste.coding4coffee.org/show.php?p=b0dRaY23
Sep 06 12:37:57 <lasserix> Sorry I don't know
Sep 06 12:38:16 <ixc> makubi: what about runOnUiThread?
Sep 06 12:38:52 <makubi> commands get put to a queue where it is obtained by the second thread. this thread dowloads data and then calls the worker to put the data to
Sep 06 12:39:31 <venik> guys, wo you know here channel about NDK ?
Sep 06 12:40:09 <makubi> ixc: well I would have to pass a runnable, but this thread should not run on the ui
Sep 06 12:40:23 <makubi> the background thread has to run in background and then update the UI when it finishes
Sep 06 12:40:30 <makubi> that's why I am using Handler
Sep 06 12:40:37 <ixc> only run the ui specific commands on ui thread
Sep 06 12:41:00 <makubi> I do. I just pass it to the Handler
Sep 06 12:41:13 <ixc> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#runOnUiThread(java.lang.Runnable)
Sep 06 12:41:46 <makubi> so creating a third thread that updates the UI is the solution?
Sep 06 12:42:19 <lasserix> there are several solutions
Sep 06 12:42:24 <lasserix> use an asynctask
Sep 06 12:42:43 <lasserix> use runOnUIThread to update from worker thread (i think thats how you use it)
Sep 06 12:43:05 <lasserix> figure out how to implement a handler to update views (which for whatever reason is not as simple as it should be)
Sep 06 12:43:35 <makubi> lasserix: thats what I am trying to do
Sep 06 12:43:39 <opariti> hi! need some xpertise on how to rotate the simulator under ubuntu 12.04. 7 or 9 or ctrl/f12 or ctrl/f11 don't work. as test, the same android eclipse project's emulator rotates fine under windows
Sep 06 12:43:53 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4369537/update-ui-from-thread
Sep 06 12:44:10 <lasserix> async taks seems to be the most straightforward
Sep 06 12:44:40 <makubi> I am using asynctask in other code fragments, but it does not fit to my design
Sep 06 12:44:51 <makubi> that is why I want to use Handler
Sep 06 12:44:57 <lasserix> ahh
Sep 06 12:45:19 <lasserix> one sec
Sep 06 12:45:31 <lasserix> i got what you want working long time ago
Sep 06 12:45:34 <lasserix> let me see if ic an find
Sep 06 12:46:00 <makubi> well everywhere it says that I just have to call sendMessage and override handleMessage
Sep 06 12:46:11 <lasserix> yeah thats what i did
Sep 06 12:46:14 <makubi> handleMessage gets called, but the UI not updated...
Sep 06 12:46:16 <Strangebrew> how do i call fragment function from an async task? i want to refresh the list fragment with data i fetched using async task. do i must go through the hosting activity?
Sep 06 12:46:56 <lasserix> Strangebrew i think you can if you have a reference to the listfragment call one of its methods to invalidate and refresh
Sep 06 12:47:24 <torniker> Hello all
Sep 06 12:48:03 <Strangebrew> yeah but the async task (and the listfragment) are not inner classes
Sep 06 12:48:05 <lasserix> makubi move your handler initlization outside of the oncreate
Sep 06 12:48:46 <lasserix> everything i mean, from uiHandler = new .... to }; move it above oncreate like a field declared in the activity scope
Sep 06 12:49:37 <torniker>  during async task changing orientation gives me error... what is the best solution for it?
Sep 06 12:49:48 <Strangebrew> i think i'll just do it using the activity, thanks lasserix
Sep 06 12:50:29 <lasserix> np sorry i couldnt help more
Sep 06 12:50:55 <Strangebrew> no worries
Sep 06 12:51:20 <makubi> lasserix: to accomplish what?
Sep 06 12:51:29 <lasserix> torniker: http://commonsware.com/blog/2010/09/10/asynctask-screen-rotation.html
Sep 06 12:51:57 <lasserix> if i were more proficient I could tell you why but that's the only difference between your code and my code that successfully updates ui using a handler message
Sep 06 12:52:08 <lasserix> *that i can see
Sep 06 12:52:54 <makubi> lasserix: well that didn't do the trick. it just gets initialized earlier
Sep 06 12:52:57 <torniker> lasserix, thank you
Sep 06 12:53:05 <makubi> lasserix: thank you anyways
Sep 06 12:54:43 <makubi> lasserix: I forgot some initialization, just seen it now
Sep 06 12:54:52 <lasserix> ahaha that's always it cool
Sep 06 12:55:07 <makubi> lasserix: :>
Sep 06 12:55:43 <makubi> lasserix: well, nevertheless I did read much about Android, because I couldn't find the error
Sep 06 12:56:06 <lasserix> yeah programming learning curve is kinda like a game of shoots and latters
Sep 06 12:56:17 <makubi> nice, now it just works as expected
Sep 06 12:57:13 <makubi> lasserix: well, I just forgot to update the getters of my bean
Sep 06 12:57:50 <lasserix> cool is this some sort of calender?
Sep 06 12:58:02 <makubi> so much boiler plate code... omg
Sep 06 12:58:23 <makubi> lasserix: nope, it will be some kind of timetable displaying app
Sep 06 12:58:41 <lasserix> oh cool
Sep 06 12:59:22 <makubi> lasserix: like https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.htl3r.schoolplanner
Sep 06 12:59:55 <lasserix> ahh
Sep 06 13:00:27 <makubi> lasserix: you do much app development on android?
Sep 06 13:00:48 <lasserix> individually, yeah most of my free time goes into it
Sep 06 13:01:21 <lasserix> still a student tho, yet to land a job or anything
Sep 06 13:01:39 <makubi> well, I am trying to get roboguice up and running, but this does not work for custom objects. unittesting using it fails too
Sep 06 13:01:41 <makubi> hehe
Sep 06 13:02:24 <makubi> but I don't get why android does not use maven for dependencies
Sep 06 13:02:44 <makubi> I am still unable to start the project using eclipse
Sep 06 13:02:55 <makubi> always have to use mvn android:run, etc.
Sep 06 13:04:02 <lasserix> think they were trying to go for lowest common denominator that's why they picked java
Sep 06 13:04:20 <makubi> well that's not the point
Sep 06 13:04:26 <makubi> java is fine, good choice
Sep 06 13:04:42 <makubi> but I'd like to have DI and so on, even if it's a smartphone
Sep 06 13:04:52 <lasserix> DI?
Sep 06 13:04:55 <makubi> quad core power must be enough
Sep 06 13:04:59 <makubi> dependency injection
Sep 06 13:05:11 <lasserix> oh yeah
Sep 06 13:05:29 <lasserix> in the future!
Sep 06 13:05:32 <lasserix> we can hope
Sep 06 13:05:36 <The_Fred> hello
Sep 06 13:06:07 <makubi> maybe, roboguice looks good, but does not perform 100% well
Sep 06 13:07:40 <makubi> well nice, now I've got my non-blocking gui
Sep 06 13:40:25 <lasserix> ixc ahh random() does work as the arg to orderBy in cursorloader query
Sep 06 13:40:56 <ixc> cursorloader still dont make query, is just call contentprovider
Sep 06 13:41:12 <lasserix> *cursorloader constructor
Sep 06 13:41:27 <lasserix> right but you can't for instance use DISTINCT in cursorloader constructor
Sep 06 13:41:44 <lasserix> *or that's why you cant
Sep 06 13:42:10 <ixc> distinct in database, cursorloader not on this level
Sep 06 13:42:47 <ixc> u can make distinct in database (ur query in content provider); cursorloader can use it
Sep 06 13:43:26 <lasserix> ahh i see now okay
Sep 06 13:43:36 <lasserix> just define a new URI for distinct
Sep 06 13:43:54 <lasserix> oh well went through all the trouble of making and updating the database to include a new table
Sep 06 13:44:08 <lasserix> if it gets too big i'll revert to that
Sep 06 13:45:37 <lasserix> do you do android dev professionally?
Sep 06 13:47:03 <ixc> we develop for android and ios (maybe now start to wp8 too); but i dont think so its professionally
Sep 06 13:48:00 <lasserix> cool you are part of an organization or company?
Sep 06 13:48:18 <ixc> a small company
Sep 06 13:51:05 <dragorn> so is it still basically impossible to do a map in a tab using the actionbar?  It looks this way.
Sep 06 13:51:52 <lasserix> dragorn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8154205/fragmentmap-actionbar-tab
Sep 06 13:52:43 <dragorn> lasserix: i tried a number of things people said worked, and didn't, but I'll check that one out - not sure that's the SO post I found, though I did go through a dozen yesterday
Sep 06 13:53:10 <lasserix> seemed to work for at least 3 people
Sep 06 13:53:13 <dragorn> lasserix: ah yeah I tried that one, doesn't seem to work anymore (or maybe I did it wrong)
Sep 06 13:53:34 <lasserix> oh
Sep 06 13:53:36 <dragorn> lasserix: it's based off a howto on a guys blog from a bit ago, which now just bails with "must be in a mapactivity" exceptions from mapview
Sep 06 13:53:55 <dragorn> lasserix: which some ppl had said in his comments, but no update from him.  I'll try this version of it again tho, can't hurt
Sep 06 13:54:06 <lasserix> extending FragmentMapActivity?
Sep 06 13:57:34 <dragorn> lasserix: thought so, not above personal retardation at this point tho so I'll go double check it all
Sep 06 13:58:02 <lasserix> haha yeah i know what you mean i am getting close to that point myself sun just came up and i've been doing this since i got out of class last night
Sep 06 13:58:13 <lasserix> and class was programming too!
Sep 06 13:58:32 <lasserix> i'm just so glad moniters have brightness so i can code wearing sunglasses
Sep 06 14:00:06 <stork> funny how bad developers are at supporting ICS when it's now ~20% marketshare
Sep 06 14:02:43 <dragorn> lasserix: ah. fragmentmapactivity is for ABS 3.x, not the newer ones
Sep 06 14:02:54 <venik> lost about NDK sorry))) so does any1 know NDK channel here?
Sep 06 14:03:04 <dragorn> venik: what are you trying to do
Sep 06 14:03:18 <venik> where is ccache inside NDK?
Sep 06 14:03:28 <venik> are they delete it?
Sep 06 14:03:37 <dragorn> Never tried to use ccache with ndk
Sep 06 14:03:48 <Bear10> man 2.7in screens leave you very little wiggle room
Sep 06 14:03:54 <dragorn> not sure if they're shipping with it; would kind of surprise me if they were
Sep 06 14:03:55 <ixc> venik: http://developer.android.com/support.html
Sep 06 14:04:07 <venik> they was
Sep 06 14:04:11 <venik> but now
Sep 06 14:04:15 <venik> ./build/tools/build-ccache.sh
Sep 06 14:04:30 <venik> Could not download http://android.git.kernel.org/pub/ccache-2.4-android-20070905.tar.gz
Sep 06 14:04:47 <venik> ./build/tools/build-ccache.sh path_to_ndk
Sep 06 14:05:04 <dragorn> you could file a bug w/ google, don't think anyone here controls that server
Sep 06 14:05:23 <Bear10> edittext is so ugly big :(
Sep 06 14:06:06 <venik> I wrote to the man who support this script (according git)
Sep 06 14:06:15 <venik> but no answer for two days
Sep 06 14:06:35 <venik> i think to connect it with externat ccache, but it;s pain
Sep 06 14:06:53 <stork> is there like a max limit of elements in a relativelayout? my views (ina viewpager) scroll perfectly fine with like 20, but slow as hell with 22
Sep 06 14:07:56 <venik> http://source.android.com/source/building.html
Sep 06 14:08:00 <lasserix> stork i believe you can heiarchy viewer to find out what's taking so long
Sep 06 14:08:00 <venik> they had it
Sep 06 14:08:28 <stork> hierarchy viewer isn't telling me much
Sep 06 14:08:48 <lasserix> there's one of the tools that'll show you the time it takes to load views
Sep 06 14:08:57 <canadiancow> hieararchy viewer is the awesome
Sep 06 14:09:19 <codeshah> hey guys, for some reason on android 4.0 my OnItemClickListener does not work after the first time… I have replaceview then coming back, but then the onitemclicklistener does not work, until I do some other things in the view.
Sep 06 14:15:29 <Opariti> help! how flip the emulator portait/landscape in linux?
Sep 06 14:17:15 <jui-feng> Opariti, ctrl+f11
Sep 06 14:17:33 <Opariti> nope, it doesn't work
Sep 06 14:17:56 <Opariti> jui-feng: i'm using ubuntu 12.04
Sep 06 14:18:11 <jui-feng> it works for me (ubuntu 12.04 as well), but only left control key
Sep 06 14:18:52 <Opariti> jui-feng: yes that's the one i'm using. but it's true i didn't try the other one ...
Sep 06 14:18:59 <jui-feng> strange :)
Sep 06 14:19:18 <jui-feng> maybe because I'm using the german keyboard layout
Sep 06 14:19:45 <Opariti> jui-feng: and i'm using french kbd + ubuntu english  ...
Sep 06 14:20:28 <Opariti> jui-feng: on the same server, dual boot, under windows it works as per the book
Sep 06 14:21:18 <jui-feng> that sucks.. maybe try changing your keyboard layout (and then change back after screen orientation change)?
Sep 06 14:22:03 <Opariti> jui-feng: thats' a good idea, i'll try that (now i'm on windows)
Sep 06 14:22:23 <Opariti> jui-feng: thanks!
Sep 06 14:23:00 <dzan> hi, I've been fighting with this for a while, I'm trying to parcel my class and when unmarshalling I get android.os.BadParcelableException: ClassNotFoundException when unmarshalling: ...SearchSpecification$SearchConditionValue
Sep 06 14:23:02 <Ankhwatcher> Can I cast a Drawable into a ShapeDrawable so I can setIntrinsicHeight, or will that just crash the app?
Sep 06 14:23:10 <dzan> it's pretty simple code but I can find the problem, does anyone see it? http://pastebin.com/vn1041hQ
Sep 06 14:23:48 <dzan> when debugging and inspecting the bundle doesn't seem initialized well or something
Sep 06 14:27:21 <stork> the fuck is going on here
Sep 06 14:27:30 <stork> 13 views scrolls fine, 14 views does not
Sep 06 14:27:31 <Ankhwatcher> stork: good question
Sep 06 14:27:45 <stork> why would that even make a difference
Sep 06 14:31:33 <lasserix> Ahh does it feel good to type an andless quantity of code and then run it and it works without flaw the first time.
Sep 06 14:32:19 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix: that's not real life, you're watching hackers again.
Sep 06 14:32:43 <saik0> The first time I did that without getting runtime errors while first learning android sdk i felt like a god among men
Sep 06 14:32:56 <lasserix> haha no the only thing i learned from hackers was that short hair worn by women can be very, very appealing
Sep 06 14:33:06 <lasserix> haha
Sep 06 14:33:28 <Hodapp> 9_9
Sep 06 14:33:36 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix: oh I dunno, I agree about the short hair but I never really got Angelina in that movie.
Sep 06 14:33:50 <lasserix> is that winona ryder's character?
Sep 06 14:33:59 <Hodapp> Ankhwatcher: did it have something to do with her character seeming totally fake?
Sep 06 14:34:21 <lasserix> i think i was like 10 or something when i saw it so i don't think i was digging deep on character building in that one dream scene
Sep 06 14:34:54 <Ankhwatcher> Hodapp: yeah, probably she seems to spend a lot of time sort of staring blankly at people.
Sep 06 14:35:32 <saik0> Ankhwatcher: She is trying to understand how inferion beings work using her mighty intellect...?
Sep 06 14:35:34 <lasserix> anyone have any online guides for designing / layout schemes?
Sep 06 14:35:40 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/ Winona Ryder wasn't in Hackers.
Sep 06 14:36:13 <lasserix> hahahaha wow my mind is blown
Sep 06 14:36:14 <Hodapp> Ankhwatcher: also, the parts where she starts rattling off the specs of her laptop in ways that no one, female or otherwise, ever does.
Sep 06 14:36:23 <lasserix> here i've been thinking it was winona ryder for the last so many years
Sep 06 14:36:31 <Ankhwatcher> lol
Sep 06 14:36:52 <lasserix> Wow angelina was originally cup size small then. hmm
Sep 06 14:37:27 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix: maybe that's my problem with her character ;-)
Sep 06 14:37:43 <lasserix> i wonder why i was convinced it was winona ryder hmm
Sep 06 14:38:44 <Hodapp> "P6 chip. Triple the speed of the Pentium."
Sep 06 14:39:09 <lasserix> I don't know I actually hear people talk about their phones that way these days
Sep 06 14:39:26 <Ankhwatcher> wow
Sep 06 14:39:31 <Ankhwatcher> remember caring about speed?
Sep 06 14:39:58 <lasserix> yeah like modem speed
Sep 06 14:39:58 <Hodapp> lasserix: it's not that she does, it's more the details that she gives.
Sep 06 14:39:59 <Ankhwatcher> now it would be GTX560 100 times the cores of the Pentium
Sep 06 14:41:06 <Ankhwatcher> and we'd be in the audience, trying to pretend they didn't just compare a GPU to CPU
Sep 06 14:41:38 <lasserix> heh
Sep 06 14:44:30 <lasserix> is there an xml add border ?
Sep 06 14:46:22 <zeptis> Hello all, I'm experiencing a problem with apb-linux not recognizing my Kindle Fire, despite having added the device to 'etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules', increasing permissions to a+r in chmod, and having restarted. The device shows up in lsusb, and I'm running adb-linux as root. Does anyone know what I have missed?
Sep 06 14:47:54 <lasserix> how do I set the color of a listfragment background?
Sep 06 14:48:31 <pkp> A noob here..
Sep 06 14:49:13 <pkp> I want to set a eventlistener to an element from R.layout.simple_list_item or any other inbuilt xml file
Sep 06 14:49:27 <pkp> how do I select it?
Sep 06 14:50:04 <lasserix> you have to make a reference to the view in code and use setOn* where * refers to the type of eventlistener
Sep 06 14:50:24 <lov> zeptis: adb-linux? Huh?
Sep 06 14:50:46 <lov> zeptis: there's adb, I've never heard of adb-linux...
Sep 06 14:50:59 <lasserix> if it's a button you can use the xml 'android:onClick="myFunction"' and in the activity create a function public void myFunction but be sure to add (View view) as pararameter list otherwise it won't know
Sep 06 14:51:20 <lov> zeptis: modify your ~/.android/adb_usb.ini file
Sep 06 14:51:48 <lasserix> to reference a view from code in your activity usually in onCreate after you setContentView you can do something like Button mButton = (Button) findViewById(R.id.b_myButtonId);
Sep 06 14:52:20 <lasserix> where b_myButtonID comes from the xml in the button as android:id="@+id/b_mButtonID"
Sep 06 14:52:41 <lasserix> I use the prefix of the initial of the view (b for button) so i can use intellisense to filter for it more quickly
Sep 06 14:52:45 <zeptis> Lov: I currently have 0x1949 and 0x0006 on each line in that file
Sep 06 14:52:55 <lasserix> that answer your question pkp?
Sep 06 14:52:59 <pkp> lasserix: How do i use findViewById since its a inbuilt xml file.. should i edit the xml file?
Sep 06 14:53:01 <lov> ok, but what's adb-linux?
Sep 06 14:53:17 <lasserix> uhh
Sep 06 14:53:18 <pkp> lasserix, i dont know the id
Sep 06 14:53:23 <lasserix> you set the id
Sep 06 14:53:23 <lov> if it's a chmod or android.rules problem, the device would show as ????????????????? instead of not being present
Sep 06 14:53:33 <lov> is that the case? or is it just not showing any device?
Sep 06 14:53:45 <lasserix> like <Button android:id="@+id/b_mybuttonID" android:layout_width= etc etc />
Sep 06 14:53:47 <lasserix> in xml
Sep 06 14:54:08 <zeptis> adb-linux is a shell-script equivalent of adb that runs as a daemon; this script does not show any device at all. lsusb does show the device, with the hex id.
Sep 06 14:54:28 <lasserix> then in your code in the activity you setup the layout (usually setContentView(R.layout.mylayout)
Sep 06 14:54:38 <lasserix> and then you can find a reference using the method I described earlier
Sep 06 14:54:47 <lasserix> got it or you still confused?
Sep 06 14:55:42 <pkp> lasserix: I think i got it..
Sep 06 14:56:35 <pkp> lasserix: thanks
Sep 06 14:57:20 <zeptis> http://pastebin.com/S7f8HjbK << this would be the output I get, Lov.
Sep 06 14:58:04 <lasserix> pkp http://pastebin.com/YwL7HGae
Sep 06 14:58:49 <lasserix> thats how to get the reference which you can do with any view and viewgroup, google how to set up eventlisteners there's many ways to do it
Sep 06 14:59:09 <zeptis> "Bus 008 Device 006: ID 1949:0006 Lab126" is my device, and my kernel can find it, but adb is not.
Sep 06 15:00:17 <lov> zeptis: ok
Sep 06 15:00:31 <pkp> lasserix, i understood that..
Sep 06 15:00:35 <pkp> http://pastebin.com/qBHp9Gsx, lasserix
Sep 06 15:00:37 <lov> zeptis: silly question, usb debugging is enabled right?
Sep 06 15:00:49 <lov> zeptis: you might want to ask in #android-root
Sep 06 15:00:53 <pkp> in this code I am trying to add event listener to each list item
Sep 06 15:01:20 <lasserix> setContentView(android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice);  is mistaken
Sep 06 15:01:27 <lasserix> you want to reference your R
Sep 06 15:01:31 <lasserix> which goes like R.layout
Sep 06 15:01:35 <lasserix> not android.R.layout
Sep 06 15:01:48 <pkp> oh wait..that was just R.layout.main
Sep 06 15:01:54 <pkp> i was just tryin out something
Sep 06 15:01:56 <lasserix> for listview you have to set a onListItemClick listener
Sep 06 15:02:15 <pkp> oh.. ok.. Where is the doc for it?
Sep 06 15:02:22 <pkp> I couldn't find it for each layout
Sep 06 15:02:32 <lasserix> you dont for each layout
Sep 06 15:02:36 <lasserix> you set it on the listview itself
Sep 06 15:03:22 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5716599/how-to-set-onlistitemclick-for-listview-in-android scroll to second answer
Sep 06 15:03:43 <lasserix> it'll pass back the position and id of the item in the list for you
Sep 06 15:04:02 <pkp> oh.. then i need to use that id to do whatever i want?
Sep 06 15:04:39 <lasserix> or position yeah
Sep 06 15:04:53 <zeptis> @lov: It's enabled on my computer; I'm not sure how to start it for my kindle fire because I suck at GUI.
Sep 06 15:05:38 <lasserix> it'll even return the view of the row item so that if you say had some text in that row you wanted, you could do Textview tv = v.findviewbyid(R.id.tv) where v is the paramter arguement and use tv.getText to return the text at that list item if you couldn't for some reason get it from your list
Sep 06 15:05:43 <zeptis> it's not in settings>applications, or settings>security, so I'm sort of lost in the menus over here.
Sep 06 15:07:27 <pkp> android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice - in this there are two elements right? name and checkbox?
Sep 06 15:07:47 <pkp> then which id will the onListItemClick return?
Sep 06 15:07:52 <pkp> lasserix
Sep 06 15:08:17 <lasserix>  the id is of the list not the views inside of it
Sep 06 15:09:05 <lasserix> setOnItemClickListener oops sorry that's the one you want if you are using it inside an activity
Sep 06 15:09:14 <equex> hi. i am trying to implement an sqlite database in my app and i'm sort of using the 2.3 SDK sample project 'notepad' as an example. i can't really wrap my head around the code, especially the live file-system statements that are wrapped a static { } scope at the bottom of one of the classes. do one need to do it this way, or is there a better sqlite example elsewhere ?
Sep 06 15:09:22 <Ankhwatcher> ah
Sep 06 15:09:33 <lov> zeptis: I know that it's disabled by default, I don't know where it lives. You MUST enable it on device before anything will show up.
Sep 06 15:09:38 <lov> zeptis: I'd recommend asking around in android-root
Sep 06 15:09:46 <Ankhwatcher> the answer to my question was no, you can't cast a drawable resource as a shapedrawable
Sep 06 15:10:10 <saik0> pkp: the row id, it says so right in the docs
Sep 06 15:10:47 <zeptis> thank you kindly for the help then, lov.
Sep 06 15:10:47 <lasserix> pkp public void onItemClick(AdapterView<?> a, View v, int i, long l) is what will be called when a row item is clicked
Sep 06 15:10:49 <kieren> hi everyone
Sep 06 15:11:03 <zeptis> I wish everything had a terminal shell by default.
Sep 06 15:11:11 <lov> I don't.
Sep 06 15:11:21 <kieren> could someone point me in the right direction with something?
Sep 06 15:11:26 <lov> There's a reason that it's disabled by default
Sep 06 15:11:34 <lov> this way when you plug your phone into some random device it won't potentially root it.
Sep 06 15:11:44 <lasserix> i and l correspond to the row's position and id in the list, v is the view in this case refers to that android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice
Sep 06 15:12:05 <kieren> i'm trying to write an app to send ussd "please call me" requests
Sep 06 15:12:08 <lov> oh, huh, it is enabled by default
Sep 06 15:12:09 * lov shrugs
Sep 06 15:12:11 <lov> zeptis: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8257201/how-can-usb-debugging-for-kindle-fire-can-be-enabled-on-a-linux-ubuntu-machine
Sep 06 15:12:43 <pkp> lasserix, hmm ok.. thanks.. will try it out :)
Sep 06 15:13:06 <kieren> so what i want to do is be able to use the default contact manager to send a call or message intent to this thing
Sep 06 15:13:09 <lasserix> try it out and use Log.d(TAG, "...." + i + l ) and click it around a bunch till you see what corresponds to what
Sep 06 15:13:23 <kieren> but all i've read about intents hasn't really shown me what i'm looking for
Sep 06 15:13:27 <zeptis> lov: I've done this, but I'm going to try another route now.
Sep 06 15:13:33 <zeptis> thank you for the support
Sep 06 15:13:42 <lasserix> the one thing I didn't get was that each row is an inflated view of the android.R.layout.withcheckbox
Sep 06 15:14:20 <lasserix> and the textview and checkbox inside that view even though is the same id for each row will refer to a different view because they're different child of the parent row view
Sep 06 15:14:23 <saik0> lasserix: viewGROUP
Sep 06 15:14:41 <lasserix> sorry it's been 14 hours since I sat down and started need to take a break
Sep 06 15:15:07 <lasserix> saiko: doesn't createview in list inflate View view = inflate(from resource) return view
Sep 06 15:15:21 <lasserix> implicitly casts as a viewgroup?
Sep 06 15:15:27 <lasserix> that's one thing I don't quite understand actually
Sep 06 15:15:44 <saik0> hmm....maybe it's me that needs a nap?
Sep 06 15:16:14 <lasserix> well for instance in that cusoradapter you showed me how to do the other day the newView returns a view but that view is also a viewgroup containing children views?
Sep 06 15:16:33 <lasserix> i dont quite get how that works unless there is something like an implicit cast
Sep 06 15:16:37 <kieren> anyone?  please?
Sep 06 15:17:01 <saik0> Well ViewGroup is a child class of View
Sep 06 15:17:10 <lasserix> ahh
Sep 06 15:18:54 <Ankhwatcher> What does Drawable.setLevel do? is it for layered images?
Sep 06 15:19:04 <stork> how high is 200dp
Sep 06 15:19:33 <lasserix> kieren sorry im unfamiliar you might try asking again your messages may have got lost in that deluge
Sep 06 15:19:51 <kieren> bleh
Sep 06 15:20:10 <kieren> so what i'm looking for is some way to handle an intent to make a call
Sep 06 15:20:15 <kieren> but i can't find the right docs
Sep 06 15:20:33 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2372248/launch-sms-application-with-an-intent
Sep 06 15:20:52 <saik0> lasserix: but your statement was correct, each row is a view, it does not have to be a viewgroup
Sep 06 15:21:00 <kieren> not quite what i want
Sep 06 15:21:20 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1556987/how-to-make-a-phone-call-in-android-and-come-back-to-my-activity-when-the-call-i?
Sep 06 15:21:37 <kieren> lasserix: what i mean is, when you choose to send a message from the contact manager, my app is launched
Sep 06 15:21:58 <lasserix> oh you want the other way around
Sep 06 15:22:05 <kieren> i've done a *lot* of google dredging, and haven't found it yet
Sep 06 15:22:07 <lasserix> I believe that is called an intent filer you have to register in your manifest
Sep 06 15:22:14 <lasserix> intent filter
Sep 06 15:22:15 <kieren> lasserix: yes
Sep 06 15:22:52 <lasserix> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/11/integrating-application-with-intents.html
Sep 06 15:23:30 <kieren> aaaah, that looks like the right thing
Sep 06 15:23:32 <lasserix> or specifically http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8834923/android-provide-call
Sep 06 15:23:53 <kieren> so it seems i had the wrong keywords
Sep 06 15:23:59 <kieren> lasserix: thanks very much :)
Sep 06 15:24:04 <lasserix> no problem
Sep 06 15:25:26 <c2tarun> how can I intercept a incoming call and activate my own activity or something like that?
Sep 06 15:25:49 <lasserix> yeah its all about keywording
Sep 06 15:26:19 <kieren> the android guide on intents and intentreceivers doesn't touch on any of that uri stuff unfortunately
Sep 06 15:26:51 <stork> so i have discovered if i make my view 300dp high it's super slow to scroll, if it's 200dp high it's really super smooth. help?
Sep 06 15:27:17 <saik0> ContentProviders are driving me crazy, is there just no way to 'insert or replace' ?!?
Sep 06 15:27:44 <lov> stork: make it 200dp high problem solved.
Sep 06 15:28:10 <brickhead> is there any good profiling tool for android ?
Sep 06 15:28:15 <ixc> saik0: u can run insert or replace if u want
Sep 06 15:28:42 <saik0> ixc: how?
Sep 06 15:28:46 <lasserix> saiko what do you mean those are two methods you have to overload
Sep 06 15:29:00 <lasserix> insert and update
Sep 06 15:29:08 <ixc> no
Sep 06 15:29:11 <saik0> lasserix: I meant an 'insert or replace into' statement
Sep 06 15:29:14 <stork> lov: thanks i never thought of that :x
Sep 06 15:29:26 <Ankhwatcher> what is the length of time determined to be a 'long press'?
Sep 06 15:29:26 <ixc> u can do self made sql too
Sep 06 15:29:33 <lov> upserts! :D
Sep 06 15:29:42 <lasserix> use a unique URI to write your statements?
Sep 06 15:30:17 <Ankhwatcher> I want to use a method like this to listen for a longpress: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4806061/how-do-i-respond-to-a-tap-on-an-android-mapview-but-ignore-pinch-zoom?lq=1
Sep 06 15:30:54 <HorizonXP> if I extend BaseAdapter, do I need to override notifyDataSetChanged so that it picks up changes in the underlying data structure?
Sep 06 15:31:14 <HorizonXP> and should I be adding items to the adapter, or the underlying data structure that I link it to?
Sep 06 15:31:26 <saik0> You mean use one URI if I want insert() to do an 'insert' stmnt on dataset1, but a second URI if I want insert() to do an 'insert or replace' statement on the same dataset?
Sep 06 15:31:48 <lasserix> i think that is one way you can do it
Sep 06 15:32:40 <saik0> thats....ugly
Sep 06 15:33:01 <ixc> why two uri?
Sep 06 15:33:15 <lasserix> why can't you use getContentResolver().insert?
Sep 06 15:34:20 <saik0> lasserix: sometimes I need to insert into, other times insert or replace into
Sep 06 15:35:01 <saik0> If contentResolver.insert() also took a Bubdle or something with extras I could pull that off, but it does not
Sep 06 15:35:51 <lasserix> i believe the solution is to use seperate uris
Sep 06 15:36:33 <ixc> for seperate things, yes; ofcourse split them
Sep 06 15:36:47 <lasserix> couldn't use use contentvalues as a bundle?
Sep 06 15:37:31 <saik0> lasserix: I meant to bundle kys that modify how the overrideen insert statement in the provider work
Sep 06 15:37:48 <ixc> btw be carefull with replace (handle item updates... notifies)
Sep 06 15:37:55 <waltercool> hey ya, someone knows a good method for outer glow on dialogs? =S
Sep 06 15:38:04 <lasserix> yeah can't you just use contentvalues like a bundle?
Sep 06 15:38:18 <lasserix> if you don't want to use seperate uris
Sep 06 15:38:58 <ixc> u can, but its a content provider for share data; dont make hacks
Sep 06 15:39:20 <lasserix> then ixc the way to do it is with distinct uris, no?
Sep 06 15:40:33 <ixc> i not really know what he want
Sep 06 15:41:21 <saik0> lasserix: it's a hackish approach. I think I'll just use plain sql statements for more complex operations, it's my app's own db.
Sep 06 15:44:44 <lasserix> anyways time to sleep adios
Sep 06 15:55:20 <HorizonXP> should I be adding items to my BaseAdapter, or to my underlying data structure?
Sep 06 15:55:51 <waltercool> aren't a method to drop shadow on android? With gradient I mean
Sep 06 15:56:34 <waltercool> I just know a method, but doing 4 xml drawable gradients seems to not be the best solution
Sep 06 16:00:26 <canadiancow> HorizonXP, you cant "add items" to a baseadapter, can you?
Sep 06 16:00:31 <canadiancow> you need to update the underlying structure
Sep 06 16:00:37 <canadiancow> and then call notifyDataSetChanged or whatever the method is
Sep 06 16:00:40 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: that's what I figured
Sep 06 16:00:58 <HorizonXP> problem is, after I add something to the underlying structure and call notifyDataSetChanged
Sep 06 16:01:30 <HorizonXP> i get an error about the index being out of bounds, and that the data structure's length is 0
Sep 06 16:01:43 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: so it's not seeing the update :-/
Sep 06 16:02:01 <canadiancow> o.O
Sep 06 16:02:05 <canadiancow> pastebin code?
Sep 06 16:03:13 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: sure
Sep 06 16:04:16 <Codhisattva> does anyone know where the Nvidia plugin for Visual Studio is?
Sep 06 16:04:22 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: here's the adapter - http://pastebin.com/1rh8mS0b
Sep 06 16:05:01 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: I instantiate it in a Fragment's onCreate with this - adapter = new ShoppingListAdapter(getActivity(), (LinkedHashMap<Integer, Item>) app.getCartItems());
Sep 06 16:06:23 <stork> if i've got some items in a PagerAdapter that are significantly smaller than the size of the ViewPager, how can i get them to wrap & centre in the viewpager?
Sep 06 16:07:11 <sam> Codhisattva: you mean Nsight?
Sep 06 16:08:34 <canadiancow> HorizonXP you should just be able to modify the map
Sep 06 16:08:38 <canadiancow> and call notifydatasetchanged
Sep 06 16:08:41 <canadiancow> although your keys will be out of date
Sep 06 16:08:50 <canadiancow> if thats where your error is
Sep 06 16:08:56 <HorizonXP> that could be it
Sep 06 16:09:05 <HorizonXP> there error occurs in getItem
Sep 06 16:09:15 <HorizonXP> so just override notify
Sep 06 16:09:18 <HorizonXP> and update the keys
Sep 06 16:10:49 <canadiancow> you have other problems HorizonXP
Sep 06 16:11:01 <canadiancow> when you call get(position) on the map
Sep 06 16:11:03 <ansgarm> hey, anyone knows if amazon still wants you to delay your update to other markets?
Sep 06 16:11:08 <canadiancow> position is not the "key"
Sep 06 16:11:17 <canadiancow> you should use an arraylist or something like that
Sep 06 16:11:20 <canadiancow> not a linkedhashmap
Sep 06 16:13:22 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: i was using an arraylist before
Sep 06 16:13:37 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: but my keys are the item IDs, so using a hashmap simplifies searching
Sep 06 16:13:52 <HorizonXP> tho i suppose it isn't necessary for the ListView
Sep 06 16:13:59 <Codhisattva> sam: I do! found it thanks http://developer.nvidia.com/mobile/google-nexus-7-0
Sep 06 16:15:17 <brickhead> Hey Guys, what are better alternative to Eclipse
Sep 06 16:15:41 <callumtaylor> i wish there was one
Sep 06 16:15:50 <callumtaylor> netbeans is *ok*
Sep 06 16:15:57 <Ankhwatcher> brickhead: command line
Sep 06 16:16:05 <callumtaylor> but the plugin is flakey, R.java only gets regenerated when you launch
Sep 06 16:16:33 <Codhisattva> brickhead: take a look at http://developer.nvidia.com/mobile/google-nexus-7-0
Sep 06 16:16:35 <saik0> brickhead: IntelliJ IDEA is one of the more popular ones
Sep 06 16:17:22 <brickhead> Ankhwatcher: you code via command line? What you do cat code int java files ?
Sep 06 16:17:55 <ixc> vim <3
Sep 06 16:18:34 <canadiancow> am i the only one who thinks that devloping just for tegra is retarded?
Sep 06 16:18:41 <canadiancow> i bought a $7 game and it wont run on my galaxy nexus
Sep 06 16:18:50 <callumtaylor> ^
Sep 06 16:19:01 <Ankhwatcher> canadiancow: ah, an investment in the future
Sep 06 16:19:02 <callumtaylor> i can understand if you have budget to optimise it for each chipset
Sep 06 16:19:07 <callumtaylor> but you wouldn't make an app for just one
Sep 06 16:19:46 <Ankhwatcher> brickhead: nah, I just use eclipse
Sep 06 16:19:54 <brickhead> saik0:  would take a look at it thanks
Sep 06 16:20:00 <callumtaylor> i just use eclipse + complain
Sep 06 16:20:03 <callumtaylor> much easier
Sep 06 16:20:42 <brickhead> Ankhwatcher: I've nothing against it but my  poor laptop can't keep it up all day
Sep 06 16:20:48 <Ankhwatcher> my ide problems usually come from lint
Sep 06 16:21:06 <callumtaylor> yeah, wtf is wrong with lint
Sep 06 16:21:18 <callumtaylor> it was complaining a library project was using sdk 1 when it required a min of 4
Sep 06 16:21:25 <callumtaylor> yet the target was set to 7...
Sep 06 16:21:48 <callumtaylor> s/target/min/
Sep 06 16:21:55 <saik0> Sometimes I have to manually clear errors, close project, close eclipse, open project, clean. Then and only then are those weird bugs gone
Sep 06 16:22:07 <Ankhwatcher> when I start eclipse I often have to close and reopen files so that lint will realise there is nothing wrong with the,
Sep 06 16:22:19 <Ankhwatcher> s/the/them
Sep 06 16:22:25 <lethjakman> you have to run clean on eclipse constantly...
Sep 06 16:22:45 <lethjakman> hey, any clue where android stores it's databases?
Sep 06 16:22:54 <lethjakman> I'm looking for the package database specifically.
Sep 06 16:23:27 <saik0> Use eclipse long enough and you develop weird habs to get around the bugs
Sep 06 16:23:37 <saik0> s/habs/habits.
Sep 06 16:24:09 <callumtaylor>  /data/data/<packagename>/databases/
Sep 06 16:24:22 <saik0> Like, edit xml resources first, then clean, then reference them in java.
Sep 06 16:24:34 <brickhead> Actually I've found lint to be quite helpful, its general recommendations are good
Sep 06 16:25:12 <saik0> Because if your new ids are not in R.java already then you cant build to regenrate R.java =\
Sep 06 16:25:19 <kaneda^> hey all
Sep 06 16:25:27 <kaneda^> when i use putExtra on an intent it wont fire my activity
Sep 06 16:25:34 <kaneda^> but when i remove my putExtra it fires
Sep 06 16:25:38 <kaneda^> what's goin on?
Sep 06 16:26:04 <lethjakman> callumtaylor: thanks
Sep 06 16:26:09 <brickhead> kaneda^: can you show the code, puttingExtra don't do that
Sep 06 16:26:16 <kaneda^> one sec
Sep 06 16:26:43 <brickhead> kaneda^: pastebin it if you can
Sep 06 16:26:48 <kaneda^> http://pastie.org/private/eflo8egrdyig40vq7lfkg
Sep 06 16:27:04 <kaneda^> if i remove line 6 GalleryActivity is fired
Sep 06 16:28:16 <brickhead> Is your GallaryActivity declared in manifest file?
Sep 06 16:28:28 <kaneda^> yep
Sep 06 16:28:32 <kaneda^> as i said, if i remove line 6 it fires
Sep 06 16:28:37 <brickhead> and I hope largeBitmapArray has some native data type in it
Sep 06 16:28:47 <kaneda^> it has a bitmap in it, which is parcelable
Sep 06 16:29:56 <kaneda^> but it never even fires the second activity if i add the bitmap as an extra
Sep 06 16:30:28 <kaneda^> as a stupid test i'll do it as a paracelable arraylist, one sec
Sep 06 16:32:23 <brickhead> I hope community edition of IntelliJ would suffice, won't it?
Sep 06 16:32:43 <p_l> brickhead: it will
Sep 06 16:34:26 <kaneda^> :|
Sep 06 16:36:46 <kaneda^> same deal with paracealble arraylist
Sep 06 16:36:50 <kaneda^> parcelable*
Sep 06 16:36:54 <kaneda^> lol
Sep 06 16:37:01 <brickhead> so I've a device admin app and as expected, it doesn't install directly, and users keep trashing my review pages with it :'(
Sep 06 16:37:40 <brickhead> *uninstall
Sep 06 16:38:34 <brickhead> now I can't reply to that users comment, on the review page, people said Google Play will add that feature but it never did :(
Sep 06 16:39:05 <kaneda^> imageIntent.putExtra("BitmapImage", largeBitmapArray[index]); <-- waht's wrong with this
Sep 06 16:39:42 <kaneda^> it's parcelable, i shouldnt have to convert it to a byte[] right?
Sep 06 16:40:46 <drdreed_> im having issues with onActivityResult.  A I am trying to implement a file upload function to my app.  The code I have works but it is Overridding the default onActivityResult in Droidgap. when it overrides onActivityResult it keeps my camera function from returning any data
Sep 06 16:43:08 <kaneda^> ok, now testing with a byte[]
Sep 06 16:44:30 <brickhead> I believe most of the features for tegra would be useful for game developers right? I don't think they would have support to make my actionbar extra shiny
Sep 06 16:45:15 <kaneda^> it worked as a byte[] :(
Sep 06 16:45:18 <kaneda^> parcelable is a lie!
Sep 06 16:50:49 <SpeedEvil> brickhead: you've never wanted a 120fps action bar, with realistic fog effects?
Sep 06 16:52:47 <brickhead> SpeedEvil: not really but I would love a pretty girl swimming across it with an ad banner behind her
Sep 06 16:52:50 <PrivateAlpha> I imported ABS as a library project but now I have 204 Errors :/
Sep 06 16:53:01 <PrivateAlpha> Anyone know of a way to fix?
Sep 06 16:53:07 <yuizy> what are the errors
Sep 06 16:53:11 <brickhead> and still I won't do it unless that doesn't address sizable customer base
Sep 06 16:53:44 <brickhead> PrivateAlpha: did ABS built properly?
Sep 06 16:55:04 <PrivateAlpha> yuizy: http://pastebin.com/4C1u4fsW
Sep 06 16:55:36 <yuizy> which build target do you have on the abs project?
Sep 06 16:57:23 <PrivateAlpha> yuizy: set to 4.0
Sep 06 17:05:36 <PrivateAlpha> Why you no love me ABS
Sep 06 17:06:23 <PrivateAlpha> did a fresh git repo and made an android project with existing sources
Sep 06 17:06:31 <PrivateAlpha> Still 204 errors
Sep 06 17:07:03 <ixc> no added support lib?
Sep 06 17:07:20 <saik0> PrivateAlpha: build against 14, minsdk 7
Sep 06 17:09:11 <aabluedragon> Hi
Sep 06 17:09:11 <brickhead> are you using support lib in your project prior to abs ?
Sep 06 17:12:22 <JakeWharton> JDK 1.6 compliance
Sep 06 17:12:43 <kbs> How can I set the widthFactor on a android.support.v4.view.ViewPager instance programatically/dynamically? (I'd like to change it dynamically based on some of the dimensions of the views that it contains.)
Sep 06 17:15:53 <PrivateAlpha> min sdk is 7, target is 14, compliance is set to 1.6
Sep 06 17:16:06 <PrivateAlpha> Still a bunch of errors :(
Sep 06 17:17:47 <saik0> PrivateAlpha: do you have android-suppport-v4 jar in your libs dir??
Sep 06 17:17:57 <PrivateAlpha> Aye I do
Sep 06 17:18:23 <saik0> PrivateAlpha: remove it, it gets added to the build path automagically when using ABS as a lib project
Sep 06 17:18:33 <HorizonXP> in Eclipse ADT, is it possible to create a Debug and Release build version?
Sep 06 17:18:54 <HorizonXP> I want my code to point to the development server for API calls in Debug mode, and production for Release
Sep 06 17:18:56 <PrivateAlpha> saik0: Remove from abs lib project? :/
Sep 06 17:19:10 <HorizonXP> is there some type of flag that I can set or something?
Sep 06 17:19:11 <saik0> PrivateAlpha: from your own project
Sep 06 17:19:49 <PrivateAlpha> saik0: said errors are from the ABS project, havent even started working on my project >.>
Sep 06 17:20:20 <saik0> Oh, misread sorry.
Sep 06 17:20:30 <PrivateAlpha> np
Sep 06 17:20:54 <ixc> btw what kind of errors? pastebin it
Sep 06 17:21:14 <PrivateAlpha> http://pastebin.com/4C1u4fsW
Sep 06 17:22:02 <SimonVT> All those are interface methods.. Your java compliance is not set to 1.6
Sep 06 17:22:04 <ixc> ur java version?
Sep 06 17:22:34 <ixc> yes, it look like older version
Sep 06 17:23:21 <PrivateAlpha> SimonVT:  but it is QQ
Sep 06 17:23:25 <SimonVT> No it's not
Sep 06 17:23:32 <SimonVT> Check both ABS and any projects that depend on it
Sep 06 17:24:09 <PrivateAlpha> Dont have any project that depend on it yet, and I just checked again, compliance set to 1.6
Sep 06 17:24:27 <PrivateAlpha> ixc: JDK 7u3
Sep 06 17:25:50 <ixc> im almost sure about 1.5 compiler
Sep 06 17:26:13 <Knossos> I only get those errors on random projects when I forget to set those builder settings
Sep 06 17:26:22 <SimonVT> Every single one of those are interface methods
Sep 06 17:26:38 <SimonVT> It'd be kind of strange if it was something else
Sep 06 17:26:51 <PrivateAlpha> ixc: Tried 1.5 now to, same errors
Sep 06 17:27:00 <PrivateAlpha> ABS is trolling me :<
Sep 06 17:27:03 <ixc> yes, with 1.5 its not work
Sep 06 17:27:18 <ixc> set 1.6 everywhere, really everywhere
Sep 06 17:27:26 <Knossos> Java Compiler -> 1.6
Sep 06 17:28:04 <ixc> oh, lets see amazon event; brb
Sep 06 17:28:19 <PrivateAlpha> QQ it is set to 1.6
Sep 06 17:28:37 <SimonVT> In project settings?
Sep 06 17:28:55 <PrivateAlpha> Aye sir
Sep 06 17:29:20 <SimonVT> Your eclipse is fucked then
Sep 06 17:29:26 <Knossos> \o/
Sep 06 17:29:34 <PrivateAlpha> Its a brand new install D:
Sep 06 17:29:56 <Knossos> Are both of the two other drop down boxes in that page 1.6 as well?
Sep 06 17:30:06 <PrivateAlpha> Knossos: Aye
Sep 06 17:35:55 <hwrd|work> What is… android.support.v13.dreams?
Sep 06 17:37:21 <saik0> I would imagine it's full of electric sheep
Sep 06 17:46:07 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, you use maven + intellij, right? how can i just clone seismic for example and get that project up and running in intellij? never seems to work right for me...
Sep 06 17:46:30 <JakeWharton> open the pom.xml
Sep 06 17:46:34 <JakeWharton> in the root folder
Sep 06 17:47:29 <kbs> hwrd|work: it is (I believe) essentially support to write screensavers
Sep 06 17:48:16 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, that doesnt seem to work. it opens the project but none of the dependencies are set up correctly. is it normal for me to have to go into module settings and make sample depend on parent, etc?
Sep 06 17:48:28 <JakeWharton> sample shouldn't depend on parent
Sep 06 17:48:39 <JakeWharton> it depends on the library already
Sep 06 17:48:52 <JakeWharton> do you have SDKs properly configured for Android and Java in IntelliJ?
Sep 06 17:49:12 <luxurymode> yeah
Sep 06 17:49:34 <luxurymode> java 1.6 and a ton of android sdks in my SDKs
Sep 06 17:49:36 <JakeWharton> i'm not sure then. I can git clean -fdx and then open the root pom.xml and everything just works
Sep 06 17:51:18 <ixc> kindle paperwhite :)
Sep 06 17:52:25 <hwrd|work> kbs: hmm… thanks
Sep 06 17:56:29 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, haha im an idiot. still had the wrong window open from when i did it wrong
Sep 06 17:56:30 <luxurymode> works well
Sep 06 17:56:41 <JakeWharton> excellent
Sep 06 17:56:49 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, any info you can share with me on getting up and running with maven for android, etc? i wanna switch to maven
Sep 06 17:57:04 <JakeWharton> just follow other people's working examples
Sep 06 17:57:15 <JakeWharton> reading the Maven docs and trying crap on your own is hopeless
Sep 06 17:57:31 <maslen> What do I need to pass to a Textiew.setText() ?
Sep 06 17:57:41 <hwrd|work> CharSequence
Sep 06 17:57:53 <hwrd|work> or a resource ID, even
Sep 06 17:58:10 <maslen> In that case, let me rephasse my question. How can I build a CharSequence out of a String?
Sep 06 17:58:28 <SimonVT> Do you know what inheritance is?
Sep 06 17:59:24 <luxurymode> worth it though JakeWharton ?
Sep 06 17:59:33 <SimonVT> Or well, that's not really right..
Sep 06 17:59:38 <SimonVT> But a String is a CHarSequence..
Sep 06 18:00:03 <JakeWharton> luxurymode: I find it much more pleasant, especially if you have external dependencies
Sep 06 18:00:08 <Ologn> Hmm.  Just got an e-mail from Paypal saying Millennial Media sent me money.  Apparently they lowered their payment threshold to $10 without me knowing about it.
Sep 06 18:00:10 <JakeWharton> i will never download a .jar or worry about dependency versions again
Sep 06 18:00:16 <JakeWharton> nor dependency mismatches
Sep 06 18:00:36 <SimonVT> You're asking JakeWharton what he thinks of maven?! oO
Sep 06 18:00:36 <luxurymode> right
Sep 06 18:00:45 <luxurymode> lol, i know he loves
Sep 06 18:00:55 <luxurymode> hell, the dude opens issues just to add support for maven
Sep 06 18:01:46 <maslen> SimonVT: Darn. I thought I had been passing in a String, but I'm too used to python -> I was not converting the double to a string correctly. Thanks.
Sep 06 18:02:10 <HarisonIRC> is there an adb/shell command I can run on an unrooted froyo device that will essentially 'force-stop' an application in order to free RAM?
Sep 06 18:02:39 <lov> no.
Sep 06 18:02:49 <lov> Pleaes don't do this.
Sep 06 18:04:45 <xorgate> a country sold out of nexus7s
Sep 06 18:05:37 <ixc> in my country its 450usd :)
Sep 06 18:06:00 <xorgate> 250 euros
Sep 06 18:06:05 <HarisonIRC> lov, I understand that this is frowned upon, but I need to somehow regain the ram from com.android.browser, is there a clean way to do this via shell script?
Sep 06 18:06:07 <xorgate> dunno what the dollar's doing :) not much im sure
Sep 06 18:06:18 <lov> HarisonIRC: settings -> applications -> browser, force stop
Sep 06 18:06:35 <lov> that said, the OS should handle reclaiming resources from processes
Sep 06 18:07:03 <HarisonIRC> lov, it needs to be shell scripted
Sep 06 18:07:49 <lov> root your device then.
Sep 06 18:07:53 <HarisonIRC> nope, browser is holding on to the RAM. When I force stop I suddenly have another 30MB back and the proceeding app runs optimally
Sep 06 18:08:33 <HarisonIRC> What would I run from a rooted device? kill <PID> ?
Sep 06 18:08:41 <lov> su kill pid
Sep 06 18:08:58 <HarisonIRC> k
Sep 06 18:09:26 <HarisonIRC> any recommendations for a reliable rooting app?
Sep 06 18:12:34 <Ge0rG> is enh@google.com a generic alias (enhancement or somesuch) or an individual developer?
Sep 06 18:12:37 <lov> There's no app.
Sep 06 18:12:40 <lov> You need to flash a new firmware.
Sep 06 18:12:46 <lov> go to wiki.cyanogenmod.com
Sep 06 18:12:58 <lov> find your device, follow the instructions for rooting
Sep 06 18:13:02 <lov> all questions to #android-root
Sep 06 18:13:44 <HarisonIRC> k, thanks
Sep 06 18:18:45 <JakeWharton> Ge0rG: individual
Sep 06 18:19:09 <luxurymode> JakeWharton, what if anything do you need/want worked on on Seismic?
Sep 06 18:19:25 <JakeWharton> probably nothing :P
Sep 06 18:19:30 * Ge0rG 's having trouble with an app that calls "logcat -b radio"; the output is empty on the galaxy nexus running takju-jro03c :(
Sep 06 18:19:30 <JakeWharton> we haven't used the class in about a year
Sep 06 18:19:46 <JakeWharton> didn't want to just make it disappear so I spun it off into its own project and released a 1.0
Sep 06 18:20:05 <PrivateAlpha> SimonVT: Looks like you were right, it was eclipse,  got it fixed now :)
Sep 06 18:20:39 <luxurymode> hehe arite
Sep 06 18:21:27 <luxurymode> any other projects of yours that need help on specific issues? as SimonVT knows, im trying to get more involved in contributing to some projects. had a little session with him last night and i learned a ton from him
Sep 06 18:24:23 <canadiancow> oh shit kindle fire gonna destroy the n7
Sep 06 18:24:27 <canadiancow> </sarcasm>
Sep 06 18:25:06 <lov> haha
Sep 06 18:30:39 <Ge0rG> sometimes it sucks to get your bug reports closed with "Status: Unreproducible" with no further comment
Sep 06 18:31:19 <SimonVT> What'd you want them to say?
Sep 06 18:32:54 <Ge0rG> mhm. maybe its not the OS version but the radio version that is responsible.
Sep 06 18:33:12 <Ge0rG> is the radio logcat buffer written by the main CPU or by the baseband?
Sep 06 18:39:27 <Parhs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcgTFbASA4&feature=player_detailpage#t=49s listen this :)
Sep 06 18:43:22 <calvinchan> Hi, does anyone know if I use simple_list_item_1 as my list view layout, can I explict
Sep 06 18:43:36 <calvinchan> explicitly set the background colour of that list view to be black>
Sep 06 18:43:36 <calvinchan> ?
Sep 06 18:44:13 <calvinchan> because now when I do list view.setBackgroundColor(Color.black), the colour applies to the whole screen (layout), but not only to the list view itself
Sep 06 18:46:19 <calvinchan> my list view adapter is set up as follows
Sep 06 18:46:36 <katratxo> hi all, i have a problem trying to create an application project using android adt and eclipse juno (java ee developers version)
Sep 06 18:46:40 <calvinchan> mylistView.setAdapter(new ArrayAdapter<String>(this, android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1,android.R.id.text1,myArray));
Sep 06 18:47:45 <katratxo> i'm writing a valid java package name and the wizzard complains about "A package name cannot start or end with a dot"
Sep 06 18:47:57 <katratxo> any hints?
Sep 06 18:54:16 <calvinchan> so basically I just want to change the colour of my list view instead of applying it to the whole activity
Sep 06 18:54:18 <calvinchan> layout
Sep 06 18:55:21 <SimonVT> listview.setBackgroundColor only changes the background of the listview
Sep 06 18:55:29 <SimonVT> I'm guessing your listview is just as big as your activity
Sep 06 18:58:16 <calvinchan> SimonVT: but I have set the padding of the list view so that the list view only takes up half the screen,but it would still apply to whole screen?
Sep 06 18:58:32 <romainguy> padding is space *inside*
Sep 06 18:58:34 <SimonVT> Padding is inside the listview
Sep 06 18:58:40 <SimonVT> Margin is outside
Sep 06 18:59:27 <ixc> amazon fire hd looks nice tablet
Sep 06 18:59:48 <SimonVT> romainguy: buildLayer() from onSizeChanged() doesn't "work" ;O it creates the layer fine, but it creates it once again when I setLayerType to HARDWARE
Sep 06 19:03:32 <Ge0rG> *sniff* http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=36869
Sep 06 19:07:10 <lov> ixc: it's pretty neat.
Sep 06 19:07:28 <Ge0rG> ,oO( The New Kindle Paperweight... )
Sep 06 19:08:06 <lov> full disclosure, I've been working on this for the last year: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/6/3298182/amazon-whispersync-voice-kindle-fire-audiobooks
Sep 06 19:08:14 <lov> so I'm kind of biased.
Sep 06 19:08:49 <romainguy> I hope it's not GB with software rendering anymore ;-)
Sep 06 19:10:39 <PrivateAlpha> D: my project has no R file under gen QQ
Sep 06 19:11:58 <lov> PrivateAlpha: fix your errors and build your project.
Sep 06 19:13:51 <aabluedragon> ♤
Sep 06 19:21:43 <ciwolsey> writing an app.. which takes photos with the phone in portrait orientation, but the actual images written out are always in landscape orientation.. whats the right solution to this?
Sep 06 19:22:01 <JakeWharton> read the EXIF data
Sep 06 19:22:36 <ciwolsey> then do i have to manually manipulate the image prior to writing?
Sep 06 19:23:08 <Jouva> When using AlertDialog.Builder's setSingleChoiceItems in DialogFragment.onCreateDialog to make a list of items, how do I get the item that was chosen in DialogInterface.onClickListener's onClick()?
Sep 06 19:23:24 <g00s> ciwolsey: there might also be some flag like "autorotate" to look at
Sep 06 19:23:35 <ciwolsey> hmm ok
Sep 06 19:25:42 <PrivateAlpha> Ok when you make a layout it should be accessible from R.layout right?
Sep 06 19:26:00 <JakeWharton> yes
Sep 06 19:26:09 <JakeWharton> provided it's error-free and your R.java has regenerated
Sep 06 19:26:50 <PrivateAlpha> Ok so build project to get it in there?
Sep 06 19:35:53 <HorizonXP> if I'm adding a View to a LinearLayout, how can I animate the addition?
Sep 06 19:36:03 <HorizonXP> I'd like it to slide in from the top and fade in.
Sep 06 19:40:35 <Komak57> I seem to have an imcomplete formula. Sqrt((N1-N2)²+(E1-E2)²)/1.6093 = distance in miles. But my coordinates from Android GPS aren't converting properly?
Sep 06 19:40:42 <JakeWharton> addView(view); view.startAnimation();
Sep 06 19:41:22 <lov> Komak57: er
Sep 06 19:41:42 <lov> Komak57: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/Location.html#distanceBetween(double, double, double, double, float[])
Sep 06 19:41:44 <Komak57> HorizonXP: if you would like to animate it outside of the handle where view was created, give it an id and then recreate the handle later
Sep 06 19:41:59 <lov> Komak57: that will be more accurate since it does wgs854 or whatever its called
Sep 06 19:42:43 <Komak57> XD i suppose that will do me lov, thanks
Sep 06 19:44:02 <ciwolsey> i dont understand why this is so difficult.. i just want to write the camera image as it appears on the screen.. in the same orientation
Sep 06 19:44:27 <gektor> hello all
Sep 06 19:44:44 <gektor> i have class extended ListAdapter
Sep 06 19:44:47 <gerits_> Hello, how can I make my custom control look like it's a native control? (It's extending a view, and I'm drawing on it)
Sep 06 19:45:15 <gektor> but i gotted android.widget.FastScroller.getSectionsFromIndexer(FastScroller.java:295)
Sep 06 19:45:29 <fBirD> clear
Sep 06 19:45:38 <gektor> when try fastscrolling listview this my custom adapter
Sep 06 19:50:46 <Jouva> How do I use getSupportFragmentManager() in an activity that's of a different type, like ActionBarActivity for the actionbar compatibility code?
Sep 06 19:52:39 <calvinchan> SimonVT: romainguy: thanks!
Sep 06 19:52:52 <calvinchan> mixed up padding and magin
Sep 06 19:57:17 <calvinchan> Hi, if I have my application with 35mb apk file and this application is linked to a library project that i use as library. When I upload it to google play I need not worry about the apk of the library project right?
Sep 06 19:58:11 <calvinchan> so… as long as I set the library project as "IsLibrary" in my application's project setting, they are "automatically embedded" right?
Sep 06 19:58:18 <canadiancow> yes
Sep 06 19:58:28 <canadiancow> its just like if you include another jar
Sep 06 19:58:32 <canadiancow> its built into your app
Sep 06 19:58:36 <Komak57> XD why is it saying that something 5 miles down the road is almost 8000?
Sep 06 19:58:43 <Komak57> -shuffles through his code some more-
Sep 06 19:59:29 <calvinchan> canadiancow: but how come the application's apk doesn't change in its size after I link my library project to it?
Sep 06 19:59:56 <canadiancow> i dont accept that quesiton as accurate
Sep 06 20:01:56 <calvinchan> umm….. actually never mind, as long as now I know that I only need one apk for uploading my app
Sep 06 20:02:05 <calvinchan> canadiancow: thanks
Sep 06 20:02:06 <Komak57> calvinchan: more than not, you have to include the library project into the project solution.
Sep 06 20:02:33 <Komak57> had a difficulty understanding that some time back with BeanShell
Sep 06 20:02:46 <calvinchan> Komak: you mean include the lib project to my app's java build path?
Sep 06 20:02:54 <Komak57> indeed
Sep 06 20:03:26 <lov> ....
Sep 06 20:03:28 <lov> goddamnit.
Sep 06 20:03:48 <Komak57> the project doesnt actually contain the library... you use a function Thisisatest() from the lib, your app size increases a little.
Sep 06 20:04:10 <lov> argh
Sep 06 20:04:15 <Komak57> throw the entire lib into it if you're going to use functions not hard coded.
Sep 06 20:04:42 <lov> fff
Sep 06 20:04:47 <Komak57> theres some stuff i dont understand about the process, but to my knowledge, its just a compile-time thingie
Sep 06 20:04:53 <Komak57> XD lov, what's going on?
Sep 06 20:05:09 <lov> I'm sucking at using /mode to handle bans
Sep 06 20:05:15 <SimonVT> Sheesh, lov
Sep 06 20:05:33 <Komak57> there you go
Sep 06 20:06:02 <calvinchan> Komak57: I see, I have already included my library project to build path. Thanks for the explanation
Sep 06 20:06:53 <Komak57> ~nods~ the build path means you can add the functions into the source and the project knowing what they are. actually adding the lib to the project solution would increase the size like you're expecting.
Sep 06 20:07:38 <Komak57> Since BeanShell was a run-time library, and i was using it for Minecraft for dynamic scripting (while playing), i had to add it to the project solution. Most libs WONT need this.
Sep 06 20:09:36 <alankila> speaking of minecrafty things, I wrote a raytracer to generate terrains: https://bel.fi/alankila/left5.jpg
Sep 06 20:10:13 <Komak57> I'm still unable to get accurate results with my location distance (in miles) modifier. They're already sorting by closest first, but i wanna tell the user how far (int) Miles. No REAL accuracy necessary
Sep 06 20:10:23 <ciwolsey> is there a way to convert a byte array image to a bitmap?
Sep 06 20:10:43 <alankila> ciwolsey: you may have to convert to int[] first
Sep 06 20:10:50 <SimonVT> Look at BitmapFactory
Sep 06 20:10:55 <alankila> ciwolsey: bitmapfactory can construct from that
Sep 06 20:11:41 <Komak57> ciwolsey: i assume you're trying to send an image over a socket?
Sep 06 20:13:01 <ciwolsey> nah
Sep 06 20:13:08 <ciwolsey> im trying to rotate a byte array
Sep 06 20:13:24 <ciwolsey> but i only have the code to rotate a bitmap
Sep 06 20:14:11 <alankila> the byte array does describe an image? how much do you want to rotate it?
Sep 06 20:14:20 <ciwolsey> 90 degrees
Sep 06 20:14:29 <ciwolsey> the array is from the camera
Sep 06 20:14:35 <alankila> I see.
Sep 06 20:14:37 <ciwolsey> and its writing it out landscape
Sep 06 20:15:00 <ciwolsey> when the pictures are being taken portrait
Sep 06 20:15:12 <ciwolsey> so just wanna give it a quick rotation before saving
Sep 06 20:15:42 <alankila> format such as jpeg could probably record the orientation of the image data...
Sep 06 20:15:50 <alankila> at least I think that was possible. Hmm, not sure.
Sep 06 20:15:54 <gerits_> Hello, how can I make my custom control look like it's a native control? (It's extending a view, and I'm drawing on it)
Sep 06 20:16:08 <alankila> just thinking that you can probably push the rotation problem down the chain to the software that views it
Sep 06 20:16:09 <Komak57> I think he's starting with a raw feed (byte[])...
Sep 06 20:16:44 <Komak57> the byte is still a 2D image (ABGR i believe) so you can do a pair of for() loops to convert them into a new buffer.
Sep 06 20:16:55 <alankila> sure, but I doubt he's actually going to save the image as raw byte array. It's going to need metadata recording its dimension, so it could probably use format that also allows specifying orientation
Sep 06 20:17:07 <Komak57> byte[] = { 0,1,2,3 } is 1 pixel, dont remember the order
Sep 06 20:17:22 <ciwolsey> hangon ill pastebin the code for the writing
Sep 06 20:18:31 <Komak57> alankila: i'm sure, but if i recall, he can rotate it durring the conversion process... been a little while since my webcam feed coding.
Sep 06 20:19:20 <ciwolsey> http://pastebin.com/5UND6hdu
Sep 06 20:19:23 <bingels> hello all
Sep 06 20:19:23 <ciwolsey> tthis is what im doing
Sep 06 20:19:48 <ciwolsey> the image is taken portrait
Sep 06 20:19:52 <ciwolsey> it comes out landscape
Sep 06 20:20:05 <ciwolsey> so i just wanna rotate it back before writing it out
Sep 06 20:20:12 <bingels> class extends ListAdapter and setted in ListView throw Exception : android.widget.FastScroller.getSectionsFromIndexer(FastScroller.java:295)
Sep 06 20:20:32 <bingels> what could it be?
Sep 06 20:20:39 <Komak57> ciwolsey: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6853401/camera-pixels-rotated
Sep 06 20:20:50 * ciwolsey looks
Sep 06 20:21:01 * bingels D
Sep 06 20:21:25 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 20:21:35 <ciwolsey> the first answer looks good but hes working with a bitmap
Sep 06 20:21:42 <ciwolsey> not directly on the byte array
Sep 06 20:22:26 <ciwolsey> ohhh.. theres a byte array version :)
Sep 06 20:22:36 <alankila> ciwolsey: pardon me, but are you going to actually save the raw byte array?
Sep 06 20:22:50 <ciwolsey> i know its odd
Sep 06 20:23:01 <bingels> http://pastebin.com/U4MesA5v  ---- Any thoughts on that?
Sep 06 20:23:08 <ciwolsey> i just got that code somewhere else and now you guys mention it.. im writing out raw image to a .jpg right?
Sep 06 20:23:11 <ciwolsey> which is just.. weird
Sep 06 20:23:15 <alankila> pastebin is failbin. It just doesn't work.
Sep 06 20:23:37 <ciwolsey> and they use captcha which is evil :/
Sep 06 20:23:40 <bingels> alankila what you mean?
Sep 06 20:24:00 <alankila> bingels: urls that point to it don't seem to respond to people. At least I haven't been able to see pastebin links for like weeks
Sep 06 20:24:41 <bingels> i use pastebin and haven't any problems
Sep 06 20:24:46 <alankila> ciwolsey: note that the camera generally offers a method to get the image data already as a jpeg. Of course, if you do some processing on the data, you might not want it
Sep 06 20:24:46 <bingels> no problems
Sep 06 20:25:10 <ciwolsey> but no way to simply get it as a bitmap?
Sep 06 20:25:48 <PrivateAlpha> I created a new layout and then built my project but the layout still isn't showing in R.layout, what could cause this?
Sep 06 20:25:54 <ciwolsey> ok. that image that im writing out.. thats not actually a jpeg is it?
Sep 06 20:26:06 <ciwolsey> its just named as one?
Sep 06 20:27:09 <alankila> ciwolsey: well, there's no bitmap callback I think.
Sep 06 20:27:38 <alankila> ciwolsey: there are 3 callbacks to the camera.takePicture(): raw, processed, jpeg.
Sep 06 20:27:45 <ciwolsey> ahhh
Sep 06 20:28:00 <ciwolsey> ok its jpeg callback im using
Sep 06 20:28:08 <alankila> ciwolsey: every one of them hands you a byte array, but the significance of each is different. From the manual, it is apparent that only the jpeg callback is guaranteed to work
Sep 06 20:28:19 <bingels> I could not get it to take raw...
Sep 06 20:28:38 <ciwolsey> Bitmap bitmap = BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray(data , 0, data .length);
Sep 06 20:29:04 <ciwolsey> will something like this work regardless of whethers its a jpeg/raw byte array?
Sep 06 20:29:07 <bingels> what better for storing in memory mutable or immutable Bitmap?
Sep 06 20:29:35 <bingels> for showing in imageview s
Sep 06 20:29:39 <alankila> ciwolsey: I believe it works for the recognizable formats like the jpeg format when it's held in a byte[]
Sep 06 20:30:12 <alankila> ciwolsey: if it's raw, there is no way to convert it to bitmap for the simple reason that it's not possible to know what the dimensions, color spaces, or other details of the image are. raw formats are not generally used much.
Sep 06 20:30:17 <bingels> you can jpg again compress after bitmap decoding.
Sep 06 20:30:40 <alankila> jpeg images can also be rotated without causing image quality degradation, but the problem is somewhat intricate
Sep 06 20:31:00 <alankila> it involves decoding the compression enough to access the 8x8 DCT blocks, then rotating them, and reshuffling them in new order
Sep 06 20:31:01 <bingels> can make bitmap from raw
Sep 06 20:31:08 <nyloc> hi, I have a little problem getting the following straight in my head. I want a App that processes images from the device camera. I want to get the images in one thread and process it in two other threads in parallel, so I thought about using a BlockingQueue. But if I get it right and I use put to fille my images to process queue the put call blocks if the queue is full. But what is with the camera callback while my thread is blocking.
Sep 06 20:31:15 <alankila> after that, the DCT data can be recompressed through the huffman + lzw or whatever it had
Sep 06 20:31:19 <bingels> copyPixelsFromBuffer
Sep 06 20:31:36 <ciwolsey> hmm
Sep 06 20:31:52 <alankila> bingels: ah yes, with another method. Just not with the bitmapfactory's decodeByteArray thing
Sep 06 20:32:20 <lov> nyloc: .... huh? I understood you up to and including "blockingqueue"
Sep 06 20:33:34 * alankila could not understand the actual question from nyloc either
Sep 06 20:33:36 <nyloc> lov: I have to sync the access between producer (thread that gets the camera callbacks) and the cosumer threads
Sep 06 20:33:52 <lov> yeah, no, I understand that.
Sep 06 20:34:14 <lov> the last two sentences were just completely incomprehensible.
Sep 06 20:34:21 <bingels> class extends ListAdapter and setted in ListView throw Exception : android.widget.FastScroller.getSectionsFromIndexer(FastScroller.java:295)
Sep 06 20:34:30 <bingels> i gotted ClassCastException
Sep 06 20:34:47 <nyloc> lets say my camera does 15fps so the callback is called 15 times a second
Sep 06 20:34:53 <bingels> its source of FastScroller - http://pastebin.com/U4MesA5v
Sep 06 20:35:05 <nyloc> no my processor can do at least 5 fps
Sep 06 20:35:25 <alankila> nyloc: so what do you think should happen?
Sep 06 20:35:54 <alankila> I mean, if you produce faster than you consume, your queue potentially grows without bound. Unacceptable situation, from architectural point of view.
Sep 06 20:36:20 <nyloc> I'm not sure what will happen if the camera tries to call the callback function while the thread is waiting for free space in the queue
Sep 06 20:37:16 <nyloc> alankila: sure, thats where the blockingQueue comes in you give a size and it blocks the put operation as long as there is no free slot
Sep 06 20:37:43 <alankila> well, I guess the thread that is supposed to acquire the image from hardware is the one that is blocked on the queue, if you use a blocking offer method
Sep 06 20:38:07 <alankila> the hardware in turn has finite buffer size, so it will be forced to drop frames, so I guess that is what will happen.
Sep 06 20:38:29 <bingels> how i can use Fast Scroll in ListView with my Custom ListAdapter?
Sep 06 20:38:59 <alankila> on pc hardware though there could be buffers for like 30 frames or more, because there's so much memory and everybody hates dropped frames, so they do get queued a lot (speaking from personal experience)
Sep 06 20:39:20 <alankila> if your webcam capture software is too slow with respect to arriving framerate, prepare to see seconds worth of lag
Sep 06 20:39:36 <lov> yeah, you really have no choice but to discard your frames if there's no more capacity
Sep 06 20:40:18 <alankila> it would be possible to just use non-blocking offer method on the queue.
Sep 06 20:40:25 <bingels> may be to do work with NDK?
Sep 06 20:40:30 <bingels> its faster of java
Sep 06 20:40:32 <alankila> if the queue was full, you just discard the frame there and return
Sep 06 20:40:35 <nyloc> ok, I was't sure this will work or if the thread will get an interrupt exception or something
Sep 06 20:40:49 <bingels> NDK can work with Camera AudioTrack AudioRecord?
Sep 06 20:41:30 <alankila> bingels: usually not required to move everything to ndk, just the time-critical parts
Sep 06 20:43:03 <nyloc> alankila: The only problem I see now with the blockingQueue is that the put() fuction blocks, so I can't discard the first frame that doesn't fit in the queue
Sep 06 20:43:20 <alankila> use offer()
Sep 06 20:43:23 <nyloc> something like tryPut() would be nice
Sep 06 20:43:33 <nyloc> oh
Sep 06 20:43:34 <nyloc> ok,
Sep 06 20:43:35 <alankila> also remember synchronized () over the queue or something
Sep 06 20:43:37 <nyloc> thanks
Sep 06 20:43:51 <alankila> this data structure doesn't make multithreaded usage safe by itself, iirc
Sep 06 20:44:15 <nyloc> alankila: Oh, ok, I thought blocking queues are synchronized
Sep 06 20:44:38 <alankila> all non-atomic structures since java 5 are unsynchronized, I suppose
Sep 06 20:44:55 <alankila> prior to that they were synchronized but it was discovered everybody needed a higher-level synchornization anwyay so the datastructure's own work was wasted
Sep 06 20:45:21 <alankila> atomicfoo's are the best though because they are thread-safe without an actual synchronization step
Sep 06 20:45:34 <alankila> sorry did I say atomic -- meant concurrent
Sep 06 20:45:49 <alankila> there could be a concurrentqueue of some sort
Sep 06 20:46:19 <alankila> (not that it matters much from performance point of view unless you have hundreds to thousands of put events per second. It's just less writing for programmer.)
Sep 06 20:47:16 <nyloc> An_Ony_Moose: BlockingQueue implementations are thread-safe from:http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/BlockingQueue.html
Sep 06 20:47:26 <nyloc> oh sorry wrong highlight
Sep 06 20:47:43 <alankila> oh.
Sep 06 20:48:44 <alankila> yeah my bad. Hmm, this is interesting. I'll have to review some old code of mine.
Sep 06 20:48:49 <alankila> *sigh*
Sep 06 20:49:01 <Komak57> pfffft
Sep 06 20:49:06 <Komak57> -facepalm- fail
Sep 06 20:49:15 <alankila> it's not like I use this datastrcture a lot, I just thought all modern datastructures were thread-unsafe.
Sep 06 20:49:24 <Komak57> A Home Depot store can't be found via address??
Sep 06 20:49:46 <Komak57> 140 Maxwell Lane Dahlonega GA 30533
Sep 06 20:49:55 <Komak57> been there 7 years, and you can'
Sep 06 20:50:02 <Komak57> can't find it via address on google maps XD
Sep 06 20:53:03 <alankila> ah, it's in java.util.concurrent. I guess, as th name implies, these datastructures are thread safe. The Queue interface itself does not guarantee it, but a BlockingQueue apparently does.
Sep 06 20:54:31 <alankila> I haven't really paid enough attention to what goodies there are in java.util.concurrent
Sep 06 20:54:38 <nyloc> alankila: Ok, good to know, and with the offer function I'm finally happy now
Sep 06 20:55:19 <ciwolsey> regarding my problem with the image i think the correct thing in the end is to pay attention to the exif rotation
Sep 06 21:01:59 <alankila> It looks like I'll pay attention to CountdownLatch and CyclicBarrier in the future. I've often needed this sort of functionality and usually generate it awkwardly by starting a bunch of threads and then join()'ing them all together in one orchestration thread
Sep 06 21:02:08 <alankila> it's simple enough, but not very elegant
Sep 06 21:05:08 <ciwolsey> anyone know how i set the exif data for my image before i write it? still writing it from a byte array
Sep 06 21:05:48 <alankila> ciwolsey: I imagine you need to parse it with a jpeg library or understand enough of the jpeg tag format to add suitable binary gunk that serves as EXIF data there
Sep 06 21:06:03 <g00s> alankila: also, newer version of jsr166 have fork/join, and you can always implement your own AQS (AbstractQueuedSynchronizer) - CTL and CB are just impls of AQS.
Sep 06 21:06:57 <g00s> just reading about c#'s new async ; looks very nice http://code.jonwagner.com/2012/09/06/best-practices-for-c-asyncawait/
Sep 06 21:07:43 <alankila> I've personally started the journey of getting to know C++ somewhat more properly than I have used to.
Sep 06 21:12:12 <alankila> mostly because the raytracer thingy I posted screenshot to is a C++ program. I grew tired of micromanaging C's lacking means of abstraction like having to care about writing sqrtf vs. sqrt, or not being able to implement 'vec3 v = vec3(1, 2, 3)' like they do in GLSL
Sep 06 21:12:44 <alankila> these things were possible in C++, in addition to improved error checking.
Sep 06 21:13:41 <alankila> more importantly, it allowed me to import a header-only library called GLM which gives me the 'vec3', and every other GLSL-related type, and all the functions and operators, so the code reads almost exactly like shader now. In fact, the same source minus the C++ -specific includes might work as-is.
Sep 06 21:14:17 <richcollins> Has autostart on the video tag been disabled in 4.1+
Sep 06 21:18:24 <alankila> C# sure looks nifty and complicated. I haven't paid attention to it for years. I wonder how many keywords it had today, it seemed pretty complex already in the 2.0 time
Sep 06 21:19:32 <Ravenheart> there are certainly many new ways to do the same old stuff
Sep 06 21:19:47 <Ravenheart> which is good
Sep 06 21:21:19 <alankila> I'd really like java to support some maths-related things like complex numbers and equivalent of gcc's __attribute__((vector_size(N))) which allows setting up arrays of values and provides means to perform same action concurrently against the whole array, possibly with SSE or such technology.
Sep 06 21:21:35 <alankila> probably never going to happen though
Sep 06 21:23:19 <alankila> classes are just a bit wordy if you want to accomplish the same thing, and the more 'x.add(y.mul(z))' you write the less comprehensible it looks. And I don't think maths are going to work very great if you have to write 'new Complex'. It does tend to turn into actual complex object rather than getting optimized to just some number crunching.
Sep 06 21:25:04 <Ravenheart> i'm not very keen on maths
Sep 06 21:25:07 <alankila> and of course, java isn't able to use any of these cpu's vector ops for anything. The only way that will happen is via native code, and the cost of calling to native is probably too high to make it worth it. Java really should have a better scientific computing story.
Sep 06 21:26:37 <alankila> right now it's basically operations that would have been possible with C64's basic and that's it.
Sep 06 21:27:57 <ciwolsey> quick question..     		exif.setAttribute(ExifInterface.TAG_ORIENTATION, ""+ExifInterface.ORIENTATION_ROTATE_90);
Sep 06 21:27:58 <Ravenheart> have you considered mono
Sep 06 21:28:16 <ciwolsey> why is the ""+ necessary?
Sep 06 21:28:21 <alankila> Ravenheart: hmh. I have, but am unsure.
Sep 06 21:28:32 <alankila> ciwolsey: probably the constant is a number, the api requires a String
Sep 06 21:28:47 <ciwolsey> ahh thanks
Sep 06 21:29:18 <lov> ^^
Sep 06 21:29:24 <lov> forces it to be string concatination instead of addition
Sep 06 21:29:26 <alankila> ""+ is a favorite old-skool trick for string conversion. I hope it isn't 'new StringBuffer().add("").add(String.valueOf(ExifInterface.Blah)).toString()" though.
Sep 06 21:29:28 <Ravenheart> wouldn't .toString() be a better solutuon then?
Sep 06 21:29:42 <alankila> Ravenheart: can't call toString on non-object type, sadly.
Sep 06 21:29:43 <lov> if it's an object, yes.
Sep 06 21:29:46 <lov> but it's a primitive
Sep 06 21:29:55 <lov> you should really just use String.parseInt() or whatever
Sep 06 21:29:57 <Ravenheart> dang
Sep 06 21:30:00 <alankila> String.valueOf(foo) is a reasonable alternative to ""+foo, if you don't like writing that for some reason
Sep 06 21:30:01 <lov> Integer.parseInt()?
Sep 06 21:30:03 * lov shrugs
Sep 06 21:30:05 <lov> yeah, String.valueOf
Sep 06 21:30:45 <alankila> java has surprising amount of compiler help for working with strings.
Sep 06 21:31:03 <alankila> I guess the alternative would be just so incredibly annoying it would not have even caught on
Sep 06 21:31:51 <alankila> that one little morsel of mercy, + that works with strings. I wish I had + that worked with classes, sometimes.
Sep 06 21:32:17 <Ravenheart> can't you do operator overloading
Sep 06 21:32:19 <alankila> just to escape the everything-is-a-method-call hell :-/
Sep 06 21:32:29 <alankila> Ravenheart: not in java.
Sep 06 21:32:34 <Ravenheart> :O
Sep 06 21:32:57 <alankila> and it's a real downer for mathematical things that require something beyond the capabilities of approximately C64's basic :-p
Sep 06 21:33:16 <Ravenheart> i hail from .NET lands
Sep 06 21:33:28 <Ravenheart> am used to C#/.NET
Sep 06 21:33:28 <alankila> just like there's no unsigned number in java, which sometimes force use of 64-bit integers to hold 32-bit unsigned result. Annoying when porting C code, you have to pay attention to this.
Sep 06 21:33:59 <alankila> for instance, in C you sometimes see a * b >> 16 and when a and b are unsigned, that won't work with java's signed int.
Sep 06 21:34:49 <Hodapp> I find myself increasingly not-that-dismayed at the lack of operator overloading in Java.
Sep 06 21:35:07 <alankila> but anyway, the thing with java is, it is fairly simple, and that facilitates learning and teaching it; and understanding code already written
Sep 06 21:35:20 <Hodapp> mostly because I feel like the feature, in C++ at least, is abused way, way, way more than it's used properly
Sep 06 21:35:27 <alankila> but simultaneously it forbids some use cases like beautiful mathematics
Sep 06 21:36:09 <alankila> but it is C++'s beautiful operator overloading and classes like valarray that make it feasible, even beautiful, to use C++ for computation.
Sep 06 21:36:30 <alankila> that being said, it's the endless no-right-answer discussion about right level of abstraction.
Sep 06 21:36:49 <Hodapp> I rarely see anything that might be called 'beautiful' in C++ though.
Sep 06 21:36:59 <alankila> in C you can basically never be confused about what a statement means, what it will do. Same for Java. In C++, you can't know what any expression does, almost.
Sep 06 21:37:30 <alankila> Sure, most of the time C++ expressions are easy to read, but occasionally they do impressive amounts of magic in the background, totally hidden from view.
Sep 06 21:37:50 <Hodapp> Generally, the level of abstraction is so poor that anything which operator overloading gives the code in conciseness, all the other horrid lack of proper abstraction destroys.
Sep 06 21:38:40 <Komak57> erm, i need to get the coordinates of a zip code... Is there an easy way to do this with a GeoCoder, or do i have to make a list manually?
Sep 06 21:38:53 <Hodapp> I'd gladly take C code for the same task knowing that analyzing and optimizing it is very likely going to be much easier.
Sep 06 21:39:24 <Hodapp> Komak57: Hmm. Google's APIs might be able to do this
Sep 06 21:40:00 <alankila> Hodapp: I think I can't live without function/method overloading anymore. One of the things I hate about maths in C is that you have to pay attention to using the right method, like fabsf vs. fabs, sqrtf vs. sqrt, etc. It adds extra layer of bother because it is missing this feature.
Sep 06 21:40:15 <alankila> Hodapp: worse, missing this encourages people to write macros to generate "polymorphic" functions
Sep 06 21:40:17 <Komak57> :/ am i going to have to make a google view thingie for that? I'd really just like a simplistic GetCoords(String areacode);
Sep 06 21:40:42 <Hodapp> if you to have to manually make a list, at least you know it can't have more than 90,000 elements or so...
Sep 06 21:41:02 <saik0> Komak57: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/Geocoder.html#getFromLocationName(java.lang.String, int)
Sep 06 21:41:06 <alankila> you can pick C++ compiler and recompile C, but this time include cmath instead of math.h and enjoy the ability to just write 'sqrt' and know it doesn't do hidden float -> double -> float conversion in the background
Sep 06 21:41:08 <Komak57> reguardless, the sheer quantity of zip codes is astounding
Sep 06 21:42:16 <Komak57> address = coder.getFromLocationName(loc,5); <- unable to pull the coordinates of a zip code
Sep 06 21:42:21 <Komak57> works great on full addresses
Sep 06 21:42:45 <Hodapp> alankila: function overloading has its purposes, but generally I prefer the explicitness of knowing what it'll call more easily, even if it means I need to remember the conversion rules consciously sometimes
Sep 06 21:42:48 <alankila> or alternatively -Wconversion to gcc, of course, and just fix things up manually. It is not much, but it IS with these little things that wear you down
Sep 06 21:43:29 <Hodapp> I would like to get a chance to try something like Ocaml for mathematical code, though
Sep 06 21:43:33 <alankila> the sort of code that goes without warning in -Wall in C also depresses me to no end. This is probably more a culture problem with C than a real issue with the language itself
Sep 06 21:44:28 <Hodapp> alankila: some of the stuff that Visual Studio allows also is really irksome.
Sep 06 21:44:43 <alankila> for instance if enums didn't just automatically convert to int would help differentiating numeric input from symbolic tokens for functions at compile time
Sep 06 21:45:17 <alankila> C++ fixes a whole bunch of these things, so I suspect that in general terms code quality goes up if you write C but compile it with a C++ compiler
Sep 06 21:45:27 <Hodapp> perhaps
Sep 06 21:45:30 <saik0> Komak57: then you can use the Google Geocoding http API and parse it
Sep 06 21:45:53 <Komak57> http://pastebin.com/yrtqdWC3
Sep 06 21:46:19 <Hodapp> the only empirical study that I've ever seen comparing code quality between C and C++ found that, while the C version had only marginally fewer bugs/KLOC, the bugs found took dramatically less time to diagnose and fix (at least with the procedural C vs. OOP C++ they compared)
Sep 06 21:46:42 <alankila> Hodapp: yes, but I'm saying that C++ compiler is a better C compiler than a C compiler :-p
Sep 06 21:47:24 <Hodapp> yeah, nothing in that paper applied to a C++ compiler
Sep 06 21:47:34 <Hodapp> the paper itself was trying to test OOP vs. non-OOP methods
Sep 06 21:47:46 <Hodapp> but the author admitted that he could not separate the problems of OO from the problems due to C++
Sep 06 21:47:59 <alankila> whether the quality of code matches is a separate matter. I personally think that C++ is both more used in the industry and likely more suitable for constructing large systems than C.
Sep 06 21:48:19 <Hodapp> this paper found quite the opposite on the latter
Sep 06 21:48:24 <alankila> when you need an object system, it _is_ fairly terrible to hack one out of C
Sep 06 21:48:49 <alankila> that it is possible does not necessarily equal it being a good idea
Sep 06 21:48:57 <Hodapp> the paper was more testing the notion of whether you *need* an object system or not
Sep 06 21:49:18 <alankila> obviously if the program could be written without an object system, the program did not need an object system.
Sep 06 21:49:33 <alankila> but then again, foo->bar(foo) is, to some people, an object system, others might say it's just pointers and structs
Sep 06 21:49:59 <ciwolsey> does loading an image into an imageview alter its size automatically?
Sep 06 21:50:09 <Hodapp> The most it said about the C version is that it was procedural, I think, and that it didn't have anything in the way of a hand-rolled OOP system or something like GObject
Sep 06 21:50:18 <alankila> ciwolsey: if android knows the source dpi and target dpi and is told to scale
Sep 06 21:50:31 <ciwolsey> ive got a transparent imageview that im using to overlay a surfaceview...
Sep 06 21:50:36 <ciwolsey> both are inside a frameview
Sep 06 21:50:37 <Hodapp> The author's aim was to examine empirically the claim that OOP made for better systems, and unfortunately it's one of the very few actual tests I've been able to find of that claim
Sep 06 21:50:45 <saik0> Komak57: I'm almost sure you can get lookup a zip with Geocoder object though
Sep 06 21:51:29 <ciwolsey> i just want the frameview to stretch to fit its parent aftter ive loaded the image
Sep 06 21:51:38 <ciwolsey> and for the corners to match
Sep 06 21:52:00 <MrQwak> hello, i'm having a problem processing touches
Sep 06 21:52:08 <MrQwak> can anyone help?
Sep 06 21:52:13 <ciwolsey> imageview, not frameview
Sep 06 21:52:16 <alankila> Hodapp: I personally think the case is closed favoring object systems given how prevalent object-oriented languages are. I guess you could count every C#, java, python, ruby, and maybe even C++ program as OO program (at least if the C++ source contains the word 'class')
Sep 06 21:52:51 <alankila> and I'd also count every glib-based C program as OO program too, despite the fact that I find glib's manual reimplementation as fairly retarded sort of implementation
Sep 06 21:52:58 <saik0> Komak57: what is the return value of Geocoder.isPresent() on your test device?
Sep 06 21:53:00 <MrQwak> my first time in here
Sep 06 21:53:18 <MrQwak> hello all :)
Sep 06 21:53:38 <Hodapp> alankila: I don't think the prevalence of so-called OO languages closes that case, really.
Sep 06 21:53:40 <Komak57> getting address.size() == 0
Sep 06 21:53:50 <alankila> Most Perl programs are probably also OO programs. It's just that OO is quite convenient. I don't know how PHP fares, at least classically it was done without OO but grew these capabilities later on
Sep 06 21:53:51 <Komak57> but i'll try for the isPresent
Sep 06 21:53:53 <MrQwak> (hope i left the cloak of invisibility at home this time)
Sep 06 21:54:21 <Komak57> java.io.IOException: Unable to parse response from server <- the raw error
Sep 06 21:54:50 <Hodapp> alankila: The problem is that the definition of OO applied here has become very watered-down compared with what Alan Kay laid down in his original research and implementation, to the point that basically nothing nowadays would be described as not being OO.
Sep 06 21:54:50 <MrQwak> try again, hello
Sep 06 21:55:07 <alankila> Hodapp: well, if the real programs written today use classes, members, methods, and are strangely preoccupied with mutating object states, then I count them as OO programs. I think OO systems are incredibly common -- I mostly see such systems. It's only when I touch some C code that it might not be written in OO style.
Sep 06 21:55:31 <MrQwak> i'm having a problem processing touches on Android, can anyone help?
Sep 06 21:56:19 <doogan> see topic
Sep 06 21:56:21 <doogan> just ask
Sep 06 21:56:25 <doogan> dont ask to ask
Sep 06 21:56:37 <Hodapp> alankila: We'll have to continue this later (or elsewhere), as I have to run.
Sep 06 21:56:40 <alankila> right
Sep 06 21:56:49 <Hodapp> alankila: But because we're disagreeing, it's mandatory that I hit you with a chair and call your mother a whore.
Sep 06 21:56:53 <Hodapp> It's nothing personal.
Sep 06 21:57:06 <alankila> Really? I did not yet even establish we had a disagreement.
Sep 06 21:57:08 * Hodapp hits alankila with a chair while his whore mother watches.
Sep 06 21:57:16 <Hodapp> Oh. Er...
Sep 06 21:57:18 <MrQwak> okay. i'm having a problem processing touches, they're kinda sluggish (unresponsive). here is my onTouchEvent code: http://pastie.org/4676472
Sep 06 21:57:27 <Hodapp> Scratch that then.
Sep 06 21:57:33 <Hodapp> Bye...
Sep 06 21:57:34 <MrQwak> do i also need to process touch history?
Sep 06 21:57:43 <Komak57> oh hey, look... it IS getting the coordinates...
Sep 06 21:58:30 <saik0> Komak57: heh, well congrats
Sep 06 22:02:53 <grantland> Does anyone know an easy way to show the calling stack trace when using Runnables and a ThreadPoolExecutor?
Sep 06 22:02:59 <Komak57> all done, nice and clean :DD thanks so much saik0 and Hodapp
Sep 06 22:04:03 <MrQwak> do i also need to process touch history?
Sep 06 22:05:47 <MrQwak> okay. i'm having a problem processing touches, they're kinda sluggish (unresponsive). here is my onTouchEvent code: http://pastie.org/4676472
Sep 06 22:08:09 <MrQwak> why are my touches sluggish?
Sep 06 22:09:20 <karakuri> Is there a way to get rid of the contextual action bar that shows up when i long press an edit text?
Sep 06 22:09:35 <karakuri> our app's theme doesn't use action bar, and its pushing the rest of the layout down
Sep 06 22:28:38 <MrQwak> okay. i'm having a problem processing touches, they're kinda sluggish (unresponsive). here is my onTouchEvent code: http://pastie.org/4676472
Sep 06 22:28:54 <MrQwak> karakul are they ignoring you too?
Sep 06 22:29:53 <JakeWharton> karakuri: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#setCustomSelectionActionModeCallback(android.view.ActionMode.Callback)
Sep 06 22:30:15 <JakeWharton> make sure you provide appropriate cut/copy/paste affordances
Sep 06 22:30:25 <JakeWharton> or, you know, just don't do that at all since
Sep 06 22:30:37 <JakeWharton> you're breaking platform standards in all likelihood
Sep 06 22:30:48 <JakeWharton> s|\n||
Sep 06 22:31:38 <karakuri> is there a way to get the old context style (with the dialog) instead?
Sep 06 22:31:48 <JakeWharton> no
Sep 06 22:32:02 <karakuri> fantastic
Sep 06 22:32:06 <karakuri> thanks for the help
Sep 06 22:32:24 <karakuri> maybe now our designers will finally make us an Android design spec
Sep 06 22:32:28 <JakeWharton> haha
Sep 06 22:33:03 <karakuri> if only i were joking
Sep 06 22:33:04 <karakuri> lol
Sep 06 22:34:02 <karakuri> the custom action mode callback just lets you populate the CAB differently?
Sep 06 22:35:15 <JakeWharton> yeah I don't think you can actually stop it from happening
Sep 06 22:35:37 <karakuri> ok
Sep 06 22:48:45 <MrQwak> anyone know anything about multi-tocuh?
Sep 06 22:48:52 <MrQwak> why is it sluggish?
Sep 06 22:50:13 <MrQwak> as much as i don't like apple. their devices are way superior and software and OS and developer tools
Sep 06 22:50:13 <ciwolsey> anyone know the easieset way to rotate an image inside an imageview?
Sep 06 22:50:22 <MrQwak> yeah, use openGL
Sep 06 22:50:32 <ciwolsey> i just want my image loaded and to rotate it according it its exif orientation
Sep 06 22:50:59 <ciwolsey> surely ogl isnt the easiest solution
Sep 06 22:53:04 <MrQwak> seems way easier to me
Sep 06 22:53:34 <MrQwak> just use openGL, no need for any of this canvas stuff
Sep 06 22:53:55 <ciwolsey>  i dont really know opengl well enough
Sep 06 22:53:56 <MrQwak> i guess it depends on what type of app you're developing though
Sep 06 22:53:59 <ciwolsey> and i know its a large subject
Sep 06 22:54:11 <ciwolsey> im making an app that simply takes a picture
Sep 06 22:54:14 <MrQwak> for games, i would recommend openGL
Sep 06 22:54:23 <ciwolsey> and uses itt as a ghost reference for taking another picture
Sep 06 22:54:26 <ciwolsey> so ou can line up similar shots
Sep 06 22:54:44 <MrQwak> openGL may not be the best fit for your case
Sep 06 22:54:59 <ciwolsey> i basically have a frameview with a camera preview, with a imageview set with alpha on top of the cam preview
Sep 06 22:55:18 <ciwolsey> all i need to do is rotate the image 90 degrees
Sep 06 22:55:25 <ciwolsey> i thought this would be a reall common thing to do
Sep 06 22:58:37 <MrQwak> it's beyond my scope to be honest
Sep 06 22:58:40 <MrQwak> if it's not openGL
Sep 06 22:58:48 <MrQwak> i'm new to Android...
Sep 06 22:58:48 <ciwolsey> :)
Sep 06 22:58:52 <ciwolsey> me too
Sep 06 22:58:56 <MrQwak> finding it interesting...
Sep 06 22:59:00 <ciwolsey> been trying to figure this out for an hour now
Sep 06 22:59:01 <MrQwak> not at all like iOS
Sep 06 23:03:06 <jayd16> hey, so I have a preference activity with a bunch of switch preferences.  It seems like the list view is recycling the views (as they often do) and its actually changing the preference when it does this.  Has anyone noticed this happening before?
Sep 06 23:04:48 <MrQwak> i have sluggish touch inputs, anyone noticed that before?
Sep 06 23:04:55 <MrQwak> on a samsung s2
Sep 06 23:06:47 <jayd16> MrQwak, are you using a gesture listener?  They wait for double click so they always take forever.
Sep 06 23:07:17 <MrQwak> i don't think i am. i haven't explicitly set any up
Sep 06 23:07:36 <MrQwak> it's only a slight delay too
Sep 06 23:08:48 <jayd16> are you sure its not doing something slow in the main thread?
Sep 06 23:09:44 <jayd16> As for my problem …Using check preference seems to work.  but I wonder why switch preference has this problem
Sep 06 23:10:34 <MrQwak> yup, hardly doing anything in the main UI thread
Sep 06 23:10:53 <MrQwak> everything is happening in GLSurfaceView's renderer thread
Sep 06 23:11:37 <jayd16> aha!
Sep 06 23:11:39 <jayd16> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=26194
Sep 06 23:11:43 <jayd16> gooooogle!
Sep 06 23:13:45 <MrQwak> well gentlemen, i am pooped, time for bed. night all..
Sep 06 23:24:21 <ciwolsey> 2 hours of googling for a simple way to rotate an image
Sep 06 23:24:24 <ciwolsey> :/
Sep 06 23:27:28 <ciwolsey> every method of rotating an image ive found leads to out of memory exceptions
Sep 06 23:27:31 <ciwolsey> grr
Sep 06 23:28:30 <lethjakman> what format is your image in?
Sep 06 23:29:01 <ciwolsey> jpeg
Sep 06 23:29:24 <lethjakman> are you wanting to rotate the view or the actual image data?
Sep 06 23:29:47 <ciwolsey> basically ive taken a picture with the camera
Sep 06 23:30:02 <ciwolsey> written out the exif orientation which is 90 degrees
Sep 06 23:30:16 <ciwolsey> now upon loading the image i want to rotate the image 90 degrees to its correct orientation
Sep 06 23:30:22 <ciwolsey> so.. whatever gets the job done
Sep 06 23:30:57 <lethjakman> you can do that with the exif data couldn't you?
Sep 06 23:31:08 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 23:31:24 <ciwolsey> my images are all written out 90 degrees offset from how they are displayed
Sep 06 23:31:29 <ciwolsey> the exif data is set correctly
Sep 06 23:31:32 <ciwolsey> and i can parse it fine
Sep 06 23:32:02 <ciwolsey> its just ... once i know how much i need to rotate the image by
Sep 06 23:32:06 <ciwolsey> how do i do the actual rotation?
Sep 06 23:32:27 <ciwolsey> ive foudn many methods that people claim work but they all lead to out of memory exceptions
Sep 06 23:32:45 <Wavesonics> should AppWidgetProvider's NOT hold onto contexts?
Sep 06 23:33:51 <lethjakman> http://mediachest.sourceforge.net/mediautil/javadocs/mediautil/image/jpeg/LLJTran.html
Sep 06 23:33:55 <lethjakman> I believe this would work?
Sep 06 23:34:03 <lethjakman> http://mediachest.sourceforge.net/mediautil/
Sep 06 23:34:06 <lethjakman> have you tried it?
Sep 06 23:34:41 <ciwolsey> no
Sep 06 23:34:57 <ciwolsey> i was hoping thered be a way to do it without resorting to 3rd party stuff
Sep 06 23:35:31 <ciwolsey> seems like such a basic thing to do
Sep 06 23:36:06 <ciwolsey> just loading an image based on its exif orientation.. must be so common
Sep 06 23:36:21 <lethjakman> so you're talking about the image inside of the view?
Sep 06 23:36:41 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 23:36:49 <ciwolsey> my app is basically a full screen camera preview
Sep 06 23:36:59 <ciwolsey> its a frameview
Sep 06 23:37:10 <ciwolsey> with a surfaceview and imageview inside
Sep 06 23:37:17 <ciwolsey> theyre overlayed on each other
Sep 06 23:37:50 <ciwolsey> when you snap a picture
Sep 06 23:37:57 <ciwolsey> it saves it out to the disk
Sep 06 23:38:27 <ciwolsey> and loads it into the imageview which is ttransparent and overlays the surfaceview (camera preview)
Sep 06 23:38:47 <ciwolsey> its so that you can have a ghost photo overlaying your camera preview.. so you can line up similar shots
Sep 06 23:39:20 <lethjakman> ah alright
Sep 06 23:39:20 <ciwolsey> however when i save the photos they are written rotate 90 degrees from how they were taken
Sep 06 23:39:47 <ciwolsey> so what ive done is manually altered the exif to tell any software how much it needs to be rotated upon being loaded
Sep 06 23:39:52 <ciwolsey> so if i take the photos to photoshop now
Sep 06 23:40:00 <lethjakman> are you positive the exif actually got edited?
Sep 06 23:40:05 <ciwolsey> photoshop reads exif, so even though its written out to the disk sideways
Sep 06 23:40:14 <ciwolsey> photoshop knowws the rotation offset is 90 and will correct it
Sep 06 23:40:26 <ciwolsey> yep
Sep 06 23:40:33 <ciwolsey> while im writing the exif rotation
Sep 06 23:40:46 <lethjakman> have you tried a matrix?
Sep 06 23:40:48 <ciwolsey> im actually not re-reading it, because the app is locked to portrait
Sep 06 23:40:51 <ciwolsey> yep
Sep 06 23:40:58 <ciwolsey> like this
Sep 06 23:40:58 <lethjakman> can I see the code you used?
Sep 06 23:41:05 <lethjakman> pastbin or something please
Sep 06 23:41:11 <ciwolsey> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3647993/android-bitmaps-loaded-from-gallery-are-rotated-in-imageview
Sep 06 23:41:14 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 23:41:17 <ciwolsey> but some of my code may be terrible
Sep 06 23:41:21 <ciwolsey> im amatuer obviously
Sep 06 23:41:28 <lethjakman> it's ok, I'm pretty new to android
Sep 06 23:42:33 <ciwolsey> http://pastebin.com/jHQxjjA5
Sep 06 23:43:05 <ciwolsey> do a search for
Sep 06 23:43:08 <ciwolsey> "Take picture"
Sep 06 23:43:16 <ciwolsey> thats the comment where the important code is
Sep 06 23:43:52 <ciwolsey> this code i found on someones blog with lots of peopl praising in the comments
Sep 06 23:43:56 <ciwolsey> but it gives me out of memory
Sep 06 23:45:07 <lethjakman> try changing preRotate to postRotate
Sep 06 23:45:29 <lethjakman> that all looks fine to me
Sep 06 23:45:35 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 23:47:07 <ciwolsey> out of mem
Sep 06 23:47:41 <lethjakman> if you comment out 140-150 does it not out of mem?
Sep 06 23:48:27 <ciwolsey> correct
Sep 06 23:48:31 <ciwolsey> without the rotation code
Sep 06 23:48:39 <ciwolsey> it displays a non-rotated image just fine
Sep 06 23:49:04 <ciwolsey> i am testing it on an actual device
Sep 06 23:49:06 <ciwolsey> rather than virtual
Sep 06 23:49:22 <lethjakman> try changing rotation to 30, also comment out the exif stuff
Sep 06 23:49:33 <lethjakman> if you're going to actually rotate the image there's no reason to change the rotation through exif
Sep 06 23:49:49 <ciwolsey> well im only doing that for other applications
Sep 06 23:49:58 <ciwolsey> ones that will not know its to be rotated by 90
Sep 06 23:50:01 <ciwolsey> but ok i will try
Sep 06 23:50:21 <lethjakman> I'm just trying what I can think of
Sep 06 23:51:29 <ciwolsey> commented out the exif stuff
Sep 06 23:51:36 <ciwolsey> and set the rotation = 30
Sep 06 23:51:41 <ciwolsey> still crashing at that point
Sep 06 23:51:47 <lethjakman> hm
Sep 06 23:52:00 <ciwolsey> its driving me insane
Sep 06 23:52:50 <lethjakman> Bitmap bm = BitmapFactory.decodeFile(path);
Sep 06 23:52:55 <lethjakman> change that to:
Sep 06 23:53:18 <lethjakman> Bitmap bm = BitmapFactory.decodeFile(path, BitmapFactory.Options.inMutable);
Sep 06 23:53:57 <lethjakman> it might not need BitmapFactory.Options infront of it I'm not sure.
Sep 06 23:54:00 <ciwolsey> ok
Sep 06 23:54:49 <ciwolsey> doesnt like it :S
Sep 06 23:55:07 <ciwolsey> cannot make a static reference to the non-static field
Sep 06 23:57:51 <lethjakman> BitmapFactory.Options options = new BitmapFactory.Options();
Sep 06 23:57:51 <lethjakman>     options.inJustDecodeBounds = true;
Sep 06 23:58:11 <lethjakman> add those before your bitmap, and make your bitmap look like this
Sep 06 23:58:27 <lethjakman> Bitmap bm = BitmapFactory.decodeFile(path, options);
Sep 06 23:59:20 <ciwolsey> yep
Sep 06 23:59:21 <ciwolsey> done that
Sep 06 23:59:24 <ciwolsey> now ill try it
Sep 06 23:59:32 <lethjakman>    if ( options.outHeight > 0 && options.outWidth > 0 ) {
Sep 06 23:59:32 <lethjakman>         options.inJustDecodeBounds = false;
Sep 06 23:59:32 <lethjakman>         options.inSampleSize = 2;
Sep 06 23:59:33 <lethjakman>         while (    options.outWidth  / options.inSampleSize > width
Sep 06 23:59:34 <ciwolsey> http://www.helloandroid.com/category/topics-covered/image-rotate
Sep 06 23:59:35 <lethjakman>                 && options.outHeight / options.inSampleSize > height ) {
Sep 06 23:59:37 <lethjakman>             options.inSampleSize++;
Sep 06 23:59:38 <ciwolsey> link is interesting
Sep 06 23:59:39 <lethjakman>         }
Sep 06 23:59:41 <lethjakman>         options.inSampleSize--;
Sep 06 23:59:43 <lethjakman>         bitmap = BitmapFactory.decodeFile( filename, options );
Sep 06 23:59:45 <lethjakman>         if ( bitmap != null && exact ) {
Sep 06 23:59:47 <lethjakman>             bitmap = Bitmap.createScaledBitmap( bitmap, width, height, false );
Sep 06 23:59:49 <lethjakman>         }
Sep 06 23:59:51 <lethjakman>     }
Sep 06 23:59:53 <lethjakman> crap
Sep 06 23:59:55 <lethjakman> https://gist.github.com/5094ac8241ee3fc918a8
Sep 06 23:59:57 <lethjakman> then that, but change bitmap to bm where necessary
Sep 07 00:01:55 <ciwolsey> can you pastebin that?
Sep 07 00:02:01 <ciwolsey> im in a linux console :S
Sep 07 00:02:17 <bankai_> 'terminal'
Sep 07 00:02:31 <ciwolsey> ..ok
Sep 07 00:02:43 <lethjakman> http://pastebin.com/0fLS8sqX
Sep 07 00:02:48 <ciwolsey> thanks
Sep 07 00:02:53 <lethjakman> lol
Sep 07 00:03:03 <lethjakman> why a terminal and not a client?
Sep 07 00:03:12 <ciwolsey> well its putty
Sep 07 00:03:15 <ciwolsey> irssi in putty
Sep 07 00:03:22 <lethjakman> ah alright
Sep 07 00:04:17 <ciwolsey> so many variables here that need filling in. hmm
Sep 07 00:04:56 <ciwolsey> honestly i think ill just give in now
Sep 07 00:05:27 <lethjakman> alright, wish I could do more to help, sorry.
Sep 07 00:05:40 <ciwolsey> its ok, appreciate you trying
Sep 07 00:05:52 <lethjakman> I know what it's like to be stuck and frustrated
Sep 07 00:07:15 <ciwolsey> theres a post here
Sep 07 00:07:21 <ciwolsey> where people are using that matrix rotate method
Sep 07 00:07:28 <ciwolsey> and theyre also getting OOM errors
Sep 07 00:07:36 <lethjakman> it's also a big post on google
Sep 07 00:07:37 <lethjakman> OH
Sep 07 00:07:40 <ciwolsey> and their solution is to scale the images down.. heheh
Sep 07 00:07:43 <lethjakman> are you using eclipse?
Sep 07 00:07:44 <ciwolsey> which imo is just... bad
Sep 07 00:07:49 <ciwolsey> yeah :( i hate it
Sep 07 00:08:00 <lethjakman> try cleaning your project?
Sep 07 00:08:08 <lethjakman> it sounds stupid....but I've had it fix more rediculous things
Sep 07 00:08:21 <lethjakman> previously I had eclipse telling me that one of my classes didn't exist...
Sep 07 00:08:25 <lethjakman> most annoying thing ever
Sep 07 00:08:31 <lethjakman> "IT'S RIGHT THERE I'M LOOKING AT IT!"
Sep 07 00:08:37 <ciwolsey> hehe
Sep 07 00:09:12 <ciwolsey> eclipse irritates me because if im in xml and try to run the project it does something weird
Sep 07 00:09:22 <lethjakman> really? what's it do?
Sep 07 00:09:27 <lethjakman> I think overall the xml is buggy as crap
Sep 07 00:09:29 <ciwolsey> complains about the xml
Sep 07 00:09:38 <ciwolsey> its like its trying to build the xml or something heh
Sep 07 00:09:47 <lethjakman> so annoying
Sep 07 00:09:54 <lethjakman> eclipse is the messiest thing ever
Sep 07 00:09:59 <lethjakman> perfect example of java gone wrong
Sep 07 00:10:03 <ciwolsey> i have to edit the java code before i hit run
Sep 07 00:10:13 <ciwolsey> slow and horrible, yes
Sep 07 00:10:43 <ciwolsey> so my project is probably going to end with a camera
Sep 07 00:10:52 <ciwolsey> that can overlay a ghost image to help you align the shots
Sep 07 00:11:06 <lethjakman> sounds like an interesting idea
Sep 07 00:11:07 <ciwolsey> but its of no use just because i cant rotate the ghost image to the right orientation :P
Sep 07 00:11:16 <lethjakman> you'll figure it out
Sep 07 00:11:20 <ciwolsey> the app is a copy of an iphone app
Sep 07 00:11:30 <ciwolsey> its for taking progress shots of people doing weight training
Sep 07 00:11:32 <lethjakman> it's gonna be closed source right?
Sep 07 00:11:47 <ciwolsey> dont really know
Sep 07 00:12:05 <ciwolsey> i dont mind releasing my code at all
Sep 07 00:12:06 <lethjakman> if you want to get it to me somehow I could try it on my phone and see how it reacts
Sep 07 00:12:20 <ciwolsey> sure
Sep 07 00:12:28 <ciwolsey> would be interesting to see if its just the phone
Sep 07 00:12:29 <lethjakman> how big is it?
Sep 07 00:12:40 <ciwolsey> its a very small app right now
Sep 07 00:12:42 <ciwolsey> im kinda learning as i go
Sep 07 00:12:49 <lethjakman> lol I am too!
Sep 07 00:12:51 <ciwolsey> i could just send the apk i think
Sep 07 00:13:11 <lethjakman> check your pm
Sep 07 00:26:16 <birbeck> to late to catch any googlers hanging around?
Sep 07 00:27:26 <canadiancow> birbeck, you have a problem that lowly non-googlers cant solve?
Sep 07 00:27:26 <canadiancow> :P
Sep 07 00:27:28 <pyjar> birbeck: not googlers are helpful too :) also, "ask your question, dont ask to ask"
Sep 07 00:27:44 <canadiancow> pyjar, in all fairness, birbeck is a regular here
Sep 07 00:27:51 <canadiancow> if hes asking for a googler, he probably has a reason
Sep 07 00:28:10 <pyjar> ah. /me is not a regular. yet.
Sep 07 00:28:14 <birbeck> canadiancow: because the question i want to ask would get 10 responses from 10 people
Sep 07 00:28:22 <canadiancow> ask me then
Sep 07 00:28:25 <canadiancow> i'll give you at most 2 responses
Sep 07 00:28:26 <birbeck> i was hoping a platform engineer could chime in
Sep 07 00:28:26 <canadiancow> i swear
Sep 07 00:28:31 <canadiancow> ctate!
Sep 07 00:28:32 <pyjar> I'm now more curious about the question
Sep 07 00:29:07 <birbeck> i want to know exactly what happens when you swipe and app from your recent apps list
Sep 07 00:29:27 <birbeck> it appears to loose any activity state, but not kill the app and not release any of its memory
Sep 07 00:29:51 <birbeck> so the app is still running, memory is still cached, its removed from the list, but activity state is destroyed
Sep 07 00:30:08 <canadiancow> yea i dunno
Sep 07 00:30:08 <birbeck> i guess i could just look at the code
Sep 07 00:31:39 <birbeck> funny you consider me a regular tho :)
Sep 07 00:31:46 <birbeck> im a regular idler these days
Sep 07 00:31:50 <canadiancow> i recognize your name...
Sep 07 00:31:55 <canadiancow> i've had conversations with you :p
Sep 07 00:34:13 <birbeck> canadiancow: when is your move?
Sep 07 00:34:19 <canadiancow> i fly down the 16th
Sep 07 00:34:23 <canadiancow> last day of work is tomorrow
Sep 07 00:34:30 <birbeck> cool
Sep 07 00:34:50 <birbeck> excited?
Sep 07 00:35:00 <pboos> So I heard there should be a new dependency system for android builds soon. Heard they are working on it. Currently thinking of switching to Maven. But is it worth to switch now or better wait for what google is cooking up? One thing about Maven I do not like: support library version is still the old one.
Sep 07 00:35:08 <birbeck> i guess in here you have to say yes ;-)
Sep 07 00:35:25 <ciwolsey> does anyone know a simple way to rotate an image?
Sep 07 00:35:32 <ciwolsey> trying to load something according to its exif rotation
Sep 07 00:35:53 <canadiancow> im pretty excited
Sep 07 00:35:53 <ciwolsey> i can load it.. i can read the exif rotation.. but i cant for the life of me find a working method of rotating an image
Sep 07 00:35:58 <canadiancow> i wouldnt be leaving a good job otherwise :P
Sep 07 00:36:38 <ciwolsey> standing desks are NOT a good idea
Sep 07 00:36:39 <birbeck> ciwolsey: you need to get a matrix and set the rotation, then create a new bitmap with the matrix
Sep 07 00:36:50 <ciwolsey> ive tried that but i get out of memory
Sep 07 00:36:58 <birbeck> heh
Sep 07 00:37:16 <birbeck> google android bitmap out of memory :)
Sep 07 00:37:25 <birbeck> you need to pre scale the image
Sep 07 00:37:36 <ciwolsey> but wont that lower the quality?
Sep 07 00:37:57 <birbeck> not particularly, depends on your scaling settings
Sep 07 00:38:06 <romainguy> you can just rotate it when you display it
Sep 07 00:38:14 <canadiancow> well if you're laoding a 400x400 image into a 200x200 imageview...
Sep 07 00:38:25 <canadiancow> then no, it ownt lower the quality :)
Sep 07 00:38:49 <birbeck> romainguy: would you possibly know the answer to my question above?
Sep 07 00:38:57 <birbeck> (05:29:06 PM) birbeck: i want to know exactly what happens when you swipe and app from your recent apps list
Sep 07 00:39:16 <ciwolsey> but how romainguy?
Sep 07 00:39:51 <romainguy> birbeck: the process is killed
Sep 07 00:40:23 <romainguy> ciwolsey: ImageView.setImageMatrix()
Sep 07 00:40:29 <birbeck> romainguy: but the application is still running and cached
Sep 07 00:40:35 <romainguy> no it's not
Sep 07 00:40:41 <romainguy> if you run adb shell ps you'll see the process is gone
Sep 07 00:41:12 <ciwolsey> http://pastebin.com/je8g0K8J
Sep 07 00:41:23 <ciwolsey> thats how im currently trying to do this.. is this approach really bad?
Sep 07 00:41:33 <birbeck> if i then start an activity again, Application.onCreate() is not called again, and the loading is still faster than a cold start
Sep 07 00:41:33 <romainguy> it's not bad, it uses more memory
Sep 07 00:42:09 <ciwolsey> ok.. so better rotate the imageview than the actual image?
Sep 07 00:42:45 <romainguy> ciwolsey: no, you rotate the image inside the imageview
Sep 07 00:42:49 <romainguy> but you don't create a copy of the bitmap
Sep 07 00:42:55 <romainguy> you just rotate it when its drawn
Sep 07 00:43:01 <canadiancow> isnt 7 inch 720p tvdpi?
Sep 07 00:43:03 <ciwolsey> ahh
Sep 07 00:43:10 <canadiancow> the kindle fire hd reports itself as hdpi
Sep 07 00:43:12 <tophyr> ping JakeWharton
Sep 07 00:43:31 <HorizonXP> i asked this earlier
Sep 07 00:44:14 <HorizonXP> if I'm adding a View to a LinearLayout, how can I animate the addition?
Sep 07 00:44:29 <HorizonXP> i have to support API 10
Sep 07 00:44:37 <romainguy> HorizonXP: on 3.2+ you can use a LayoutTransition
Sep 07 00:44:38 <birbeck> canadiancow: you have a fire hd to play with?
Sep 07 00:44:38 <HorizonXP> so I can't use the snazzy new Animation APIs...
Sep 07 00:44:42 <romainguy> before, you're on your own
Sep 07 00:44:45 <canadiancow> birbeck no
Sep 07 00:44:52 <canadiancow> im looking at https://developer.amazon.com/sdk/fire/specifications.html
Sep 07 00:44:54 <romainguy> or you could have the animation only in API level 11+
Sep 07 00:45:01 <HorizonXP> romainguy: i was just going to say that
Sep 07 00:45:11 <HorizonXP> romainguy: if API > 11 -> animate
Sep 07 00:47:30 <birbeck> canadiancow: so the new fire gets more ram, wifi location and and api bump
Sep 07 00:47:44 <birbeck> and people want to compare that to the n7, lol
Sep 07 00:47:45 <canadiancow> and a new cpu
Sep 07 00:47:54 <canadiancow> the "new fire" is also like 150 for 16GB
Sep 07 00:48:02 <birbeck> 200mhz bump on a dual-core
Sep 07 00:48:13 <canadiancow> 16GB HD is 199
Sep 07 00:48:23 <canadiancow> 16GB N7 is 249 (?)
Sep 07 00:48:41 <g00s> so wtf, does the vz droid razr M have both the google market and the android market ?
Sep 07 00:48:43 <canadiancow> im kinda surprised they didnt update the OS on the original
Sep 07 00:48:44 <birbeck> yeah, but with no bluetooth, no gps, no gyroscope, no camera, no mic
Sep 07 00:48:52 <g00s> uh, google market and amazon market
Sep 07 00:49:00 <canadiancow> the HD has a camera
Sep 07 00:49:02 <canadiancow> and a gyro
Sep 07 00:49:16 <birbeck> canadiancow: yeah the hd, which starts at 199 right?
Sep 07 00:49:19 <canadiancow> yes
Sep 07 00:49:24 <birbeck> im talking about the $159 fire
Sep 07 00:49:24 <canadiancow> but at 199, it's 16GB
Sep 07 00:49:38 <canadiancow> ok so you're saying a $159 device has less than a $249 device?
Sep 07 00:49:47 <birbeck> i dont really care about on device storage on my n7, i bought the 8gb and thats plenty
Sep 07 00:49:54 <birbeck> everything i use on it is cloud
Sep 07 00:50:05 <canadiancow> or 159/199
Sep 07 00:50:10 <canadiancow> ok still though
Sep 07 00:50:16 <canadiancow> if youre comparing to the n7
Sep 07 00:50:20 <canadiancow> compare it to the 16GB KF HD
Sep 07 00:50:30 <birbeck> canadiancow: im just saying even the new fire is in a completely different league and is unusable for anything except reading kindle books
Sep 07 00:50:47 <canadiancow> thats not true
Sep 07 00:50:51 <g00s> birbeck: they do call it Amazon OS :P
Sep 07 00:51:03 <canadiancow> but the say "Based on Android 4.0.3, API level 15"
Sep 07 00:51:12 <g00s> i guess its a whole new OS because it has a different market
Sep 07 00:51:20 <canadiancow> if they updated the original to the same OS, they could really advertise that as a good feautre
Sep 07 00:51:24 <canadiancow> HEY WE UPDATE LIKE APPLE!
Sep 07 00:51:28 <g00s> canadiancow: did they? in the announcements not a single thibg was said about android
Sep 07 00:51:29 <birbeck> the hd is definitely closer to a n7
Sep 07 00:51:37 <canadiancow> g00s https://developer.amazon.com/sdk/fire/specifications.html
Sep 07 00:53:06 <birbeck> anyhow, about the hdpi vs tvdpi, if its not google certified amazon can set it to whatever it thinks is best
Sep 07 00:53:08 <HorizonXP> romainguy: can I just declare a LayoutTransitioner and apply it to the LinearLayout and it'll use default anims?
Sep 07 00:53:09 <g00s> hm
Sep 07 00:53:13 <HorizonXP> or do I actually need to set it up?
Sep 07 00:53:43 <canadiancow> birbeck, but how would that be best?
Sep 07 00:53:47 <JakeWharton> tophyr: hey
Sep 07 00:53:53 <canadiancow> if it's ~213dpi, its going to be a better experience reporting itself as tvdpi
Sep 07 00:54:07 <birbeck> canadiancow: you think amazon is smart enough to know that?
Sep 07 00:54:15 <canadiancow> yes?
Sep 07 00:54:58 <g00s> interesting that the kindles have BT but not rfcomm
Sep 07 00:55:03 <birbeck> you give them more credit than i do then
Sep 07 00:55:26 <g00s> all i wanted was a new Kindle DX :(
Sep 07 00:56:10 <canadiancow> i know two people who work for amazon
Sep 07 00:56:14 <pyjar> could be a marketing line. would be weird to have a "HD" device not be "hdpi" amirite?
Sep 07 00:56:55 <SimonVT> oO
Sep 07 00:57:59 <HorizonXP> romainguy: nvm, yeah, it uses defaults. I can worry about custom animations later.
Sep 07 00:58:17 <HorizonXP> it doesn't seem to handle adding many items to the layout very well
Sep 07 00:58:30 <HorizonXP> i probably need to optimize how i'm doing this :-/
Sep 07 00:59:08 <HorizonXP> but adding 30 custom Views (containing an ImageView and TextView) to 3 columns of LinearLayouts, doesn't seem to go smoothly.
Sep 07 01:00:16 <HorizonXP> yeah, it's skipping a bunch of frames
Sep 07 01:00:24 <HorizonXP> time to bust out the inspector tools
Sep 07 01:07:05 <birbeck> canadiancow: just got email from amazon... "introducing the new kindle fire hd..."
Sep 07 01:07:19 <canadiancow> lol
Sep 07 01:07:36 <birbeck> wonder how many times i will need to tell winkie to jump in a lake now
Sep 07 01:08:17 <birbeck> well for settle, the pacific ocean more appropriately
Sep 07 01:08:22 <birbeck> seattle*
Sep 07 01:10:59 <jasta> speaking of seattle
Sep 07 01:11:07 <jasta> we're working on a record sunny days streak right now
Sep 07 01:11:13 <jasta> of like 50 something days
Sep 07 01:11:16 <jasta> we're on 40 something
Sep 07 01:11:21 <birbeck> wow
Sep 07 01:11:24 <birbeck> congrats
Sep 07 01:11:28 <birbeck> long live the sun
Sep 07 01:11:40 <jasta> go seattle
Sep 07 01:12:08 <Hodapp> jasta: I just got back from Seattle, it was sunnier than expected indeed
Sep 07 01:14:10 <birbeck> i do not miss the rain in portland
Sep 07 02:51:29 <ron_frown> oi oi
Sep 07 02:51:36 <dvdh> io io
Sep 07 02:56:14 <alex_PP> morning all
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