**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 03:00:00 2012 Sep 13 03:00:23 SimonVT - I've been through several iterations of this Sep 13 03:00:29 and they all seem to perform badly lol Sep 13 03:00:33 well not badly Sep 13 03:00:40 but I know it could be better Sep 13 03:00:49 so for this app https://github.com/f2prateek/Device-Frame-Generator, I'm trying to reduce the size. Right now the total is around 9 mb when compiled, 6.3 mb is just the resources. Any ideas to reduce it? Sep 13 03:00:52 SimonVT: Any idea on a workaround then for this, its driving me crazzzzy Sep 13 03:01:35 Snwspeckle: just launch a new activity, one that wouldnt have the sliding drawer Sep 13 03:01:54 Any way to put preferences in a ListFragment? Sep 13 03:02:02 That would fix my stuff.. Sep 13 03:02:28 Just as another note, users expect settings to open in a seperate activity Sep 13 03:02:43 And not be a part of whatever navigation scheme you use Sep 13 03:03:44 The look and feel of preferences are pretty well defined, and completely managed by the framework Sep 13 03:04:17 Ok so right now I am using ListFragments Sep 13 03:04:38 Basically I have an array and it displays the values of the array dynamically in the list Sep 13 03:05:12 Now how would I assign when a value is clicked, it will launch a new activity? Sep 13 03:07:06 ughh, my participation in android usergroups has got me a lot of gtalk requests and g+ followers Sep 13 03:07:08 Snwspeckle: by overriding onListItemClick Sep 13 03:07:15 but I only just now reaslize who these folks were Sep 13 03:08:47 ron_frown: i thought yes, since 2.2 Sep 13 03:09:10 f2prateek what kinda resources? images? Sep 13 03:09:57 yeah, they're backgrounds and the glare and shadow drawables, but i'm not sure how I would reduce the size Sep 13 03:10:06 *drawables for each device Sep 13 03:10:26 *bitmaps not drawables sorry Sep 13 03:10:48 well they're png, you cuold try higher compression level Sep 13 03:10:54 f2prateek: I don't think I'd bother Sep 13 03:11:05 i'm gonna have to agree with simon Sep 13 03:11:13 it's big, but if it's that rich, it has a right to be Sep 13 03:11:21 Considering your target audience, 9mb is not really an issue Sep 13 03:11:52 thats good to know, thanks Sep 13 03:11:58 what does the app do? Sep 13 03:12:17 does exactly what device art/frame generator by roman nurik does Sep 13 03:12:29 frames the screenshots with device art Sep 13 03:12:33 oh ok Sep 13 03:12:44 nice Sep 13 03:12:52 i'll be using this ;-) Sep 13 03:14:10 cool, might wanna wait for the next update though, I was doing the bitmap processing on the ui thread earlier so you can imagine. Now that I have a better system in place, I forgot my keystore :( been brute forcing it for almost 12 hours now Sep 13 03:14:58 if you have a parallelized brute forcer, amazon cloud gives 750 hours/month free for 1 year with i think the most basic VPS instance Sep 13 03:15:14 you can fire up i think 10 or 20 per region at once Sep 13 03:15:51 people are cracking WPA with mosecrack doing that, sure you could bf your keystore especialyl if the range is limited Sep 13 03:17:15 throw up 75 nodes for 10 hours Sep 13 03:17:50 thanks, i'll look into more advanced stuff if this doesnt go anywhere Sep 13 03:21:55 np Sep 13 03:22:18 i lost a keystore too, and i've implemented a ligth irc client to add into the thing, and ugh Sep 13 03:23:01 it was for an online radio station, and i already replaced their original app that is still on the market cause the original dev is a dip, and the thing crashes on start, so to have to break the cycle again will be annoying Sep 13 03:30:55 :( Sep 13 03:32:28 i have a listview i want to bind to a custom array adapter in a fragment Sep 13 03:32:40 should i bind in onCreate or in onCreateView? Sep 13 03:33:15 your listview doesn't exist when onCreate is called Sep 13 03:33:26 But I usually do stuff like that in onViewCreated Sep 13 03:33:48 i'm thinknig i need to cast the view i inflate in onCreateView and set the adapter, before i return it? Sep 13 03:33:52 oh Sep 13 03:34:34 ah ok, so that's called immediately after oncreateview Sep 13 03:34:42 Yep Sep 13 03:36:09 i guess the reasoning is the view should inflate and return asap in onCreateView, so you do the work post? Sep 13 03:36:31 They're called right after eachother anyway Sep 13 03:36:43 But say you're extending ListFragment Sep 13 03:36:53 Or have your own base fragment which supplies a view Sep 13 03:37:23 Then onCreateView is already handled.. And you'd have to call up to the super implementation, keep a reference to the view, do your stuff, return the reference Sep 13 03:37:34 Instead you can just override onViewCreated and have the view passed to you Sep 13 03:37:35 romainguy you around mayng Sep 13 03:38:32 ah Sep 13 03:38:35 no base fragment here Sep 13 03:38:50 but i'll do it in the onViewCreated Sep 13 03:39:11 It really doesn't matter if you do it in onCreateView or onViewCreated.. Depending on what you're doing, onViewCreated is just cleaner Sep 13 03:40:55 yeah Sep 13 03:45:01 When having a view (such as a fragment), how do I allow a change to an item from the view such as text in a button to persist when the view is destroyed and created again. For example, I have a viewpager and I want the current state of a fragment to be regained when I return Sep 13 03:46:01 Give your views IDs Sep 13 03:50:08 SimonVT: what else do I do. I already have an id for the Layout in the XML Sep 13 03:53:09 I know I could simply increase the OffScrrenpageLimit, however I know I will need to figure this out soon, so I figured I should start now Sep 13 03:54:29 That should be it Sep 13 03:56:08 hmmm Sep 13 03:56:55 So just giving the outer LinerarLayout an id, without changing OffScreenPageLimit should allow the view to be saved when the fragment goes off screen (destroyed) and then comes back Sep 13 03:57:22 You have to give each view you want to save state an id Sep 13 03:58:43 hmmm, every layout and button/component has an id. Must have something else wrong Sep 13 04:16:15 when instantiating a custom arrayAdapter from a fragment, is getActivity().getApplicationContext() an appopriate context to pass to the adapter? Sep 13 04:21:14 Nope, has to be getActivity Sep 13 04:22:21 k Sep 13 04:22:33 is'nt it bad to use an activity as a context for al istview tho? Sep 13 04:22:49 no Sep 13 04:22:53 The listview is tied to the lifetime of your activity Sep 13 04:22:56 because the views are held onto for recycling and can cause a memory leak with the activity Sep 13 04:23:18 View recycling is something your listview does Sep 13 04:23:35 When it is GCd, so are any views it holds Sep 13 04:25:18 hello. In my layout I want one view to take up 2/3 of the space and another below it to take up 1/3. How do I go about doing that? (There is also a status area at the top and ad banner at the bottom but thats not important.) Sep 13 04:25:31 give it a weight Sep 13 04:25:35 or whatever Sep 13 04:25:56 zinx: ah but what is the whatever exactly? Sep 13 04:26:13 enclose them in a container like a relative layout or whatever makes sense in yuor case, and then give them a weight Sep 13 04:26:15 i don't know off hand, but developer.android.com might Sep 13 04:26:22 btw gridview is out because I am at API level 8. Sep 13 04:26:30 you don't need gridview Sep 13 04:26:35 you can do this with linearlayout :/ Sep 13 04:26:46 that too Sep 13 04:26:51 set them both to match_parent Sep 13 04:26:56 (or fill on api 8 i guess?) Sep 13 04:27:10 relativelayout doesn't have weight, speakingcode Sep 13 04:27:15 Only linearlayout Sep 13 04:27:22 err, yeah Sep 13 04:27:34 woops Sep 13 04:27:58 wait Sep 13 04:28:02 so the 2/3 view would have e.g. weight=2.0 and 1/3 weight=1.0? Sep 13 04:28:04 items inside a relativelayout can use wieght, no? Sep 13 04:28:12 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/LinearLayout.LayoutParams.html Sep 13 04:28:13 interestingly Sep 13 04:28:15 no Sep 13 04:28:18 it is actually called weight Sep 13 04:28:20 so, there you go :x Sep 13 04:28:24 Only direct children of linearlayout Sep 13 04:28:33 oh ok Sep 13 04:28:42 hmm Sep 13 04:28:45 relative layout can do it other ways Sep 13 04:28:48 fair enough Sep 13 04:28:55 i just rememberd the password for my keystore!!! Sep 13 04:29:03 nice f2prateek Sep 13 04:29:13 oh my :p Sep 13 04:29:17 what would be the way with realtive? Sep 13 04:29:24 What was it? We'll keep it safe for you Sep 13 04:29:33 "enclose them in listview and se weight" Sep 13 04:30:42 SimonVT: haha I'm almost tempted to. But its going in lastpass for now :) Sep 13 04:30:45 speakingcode: i wouldn't use a relativelayout for this particular situation. Sep 13 04:31:41 good point Sep 13 04:32:11 damn i am noobsauce Sep 13 04:32:58 wait is it weight or layout_weight? Eclipse doesn't seem to recognize the former. Sep 13 04:34:21 ah weight is for code. layout_weight in xml. Sep 13 04:37:13 layout_weight means LayoutParams.weight Sep 13 04:45:33 I am trying use CirclePageIndicator from viewpagerindicator, circles are appearing at top instead of at bottom as shown in demo app. how do I make it aligned to bottom ? Sep 13 04:46:06 Put it at the bottom of your layout Sep 13 04:46:40 when this week is over... life will be much better Sep 13 04:46:48 oops, right! Sep 13 04:47:00 Is there any way to get the (err...?) base resource from xml? Say I have some string values in res/values/strings.xml and res/values-es/strings.xml and I want the unlocalized string Sep 13 04:47:54 Thanks SimonVT. Sep 13 04:48:48 Nope, saik0 .. not unless you want to manually unzip your apk and parse your xml Sep 13 04:49:50 You could probably also change the locale at runtime Sep 13 04:51:50 I'm thinking what I'll do is along the lines of res/values/strings.xml: Foo @string/foo and then localize foo Sep 13 04:52:24 oops, @string/base_foo Sep 13 04:53:42 Why dont you want to localize your entire app Sep 13 04:55:04 Does anyone know what libchinesetrace.so is meant to be / do? Sep 13 04:55:08 It's sitting under /system/lib and it contains symbols for everything, from strcat to printf Sep 13 04:55:11 SimonVT: I'm consuming a json webservice that uses string constants for some fields Sep 13 04:55:16 google search only shows it up in pastebins Sep 13 04:56:17 Why not just make them constants in java Sep 13 04:56:30 Have to do string comparisons in english then display to user localized Sep 13 04:57:12 saik0: remember to use correct comparison Sep 13 04:58:35 btw I did get get it working in the end but here is a curious thing. the 2/3 view had to have a weight of 1.0 and the 1/3 2.0. Which is a bit counter-intuitive right? Sep 13 04:59:41 I think you're confusing something then Sep 13 04:59:50 jaldhar: Not really, 1 + 2 = 3 Sep 13 04:59:50 It's the other way around Sep 13 05:00:45 Oh hmph. Misread that. Need moar coffee. Sep 13 05:04:41 SimonVT: I'll probably wind up doing some enum based magic. In some other places in the api feilds that are given as string when querying wants it paramaterized in url when updating. Was just curious about getting base xml values without qualifiers from code. Sep 13 05:04:59 Paramaterized as an int* Sep 13 05:13:22 hey guys, can I get some advice? Sep 13 05:13:51 chups: buy low, sell high Sep 13 05:13:52 I've implemented a news reading application using fragments, but I am having problems with displaying the text and images Sep 13 05:14:04 can someone tell me why im getting an error with this import statement Sep 13 05:14:06 import com.google.android.maps.MapActivity; Sep 13 05:14:14 ive made the xml element Sep 13 05:14:19 first problem is speed, it takes a really long time to render Sep 13 05:14:42 and my second problem is creating architecture Sep 13 05:14:45 i get a red line under com.google in eclipse ide Sep 13 05:14:46 kingargon: you don't have the maps library available? Sep 13 05:15:09 oh, i right! Sep 13 05:15:12 you using maven, ant or eclipse kingargon? Sep 13 05:15:18 oh Sep 13 05:15:29 its eclipse Sep 13 05:15:30 anyways Leeds, maybe you can point me to some library Sep 13 05:15:35 i've been searching :/ Sep 13 05:15:52 if it's eclipse then you'll have to import the external jar manually Sep 13 05:16:00 or place the jar file inside bin/ folder Sep 13 05:16:06 chups: probably not, but... a library for what? Sep 13 05:16:19 k thanks Leeds :) Sep 13 05:16:47 for generating my views, basically it arranges paragraphs in a 2x2 manner, or 1x2, or display it as a whole Sep 13 05:16:50 Is it true that you can only set system typefaces in a style? Sep 13 05:16:52 like a normal newspaper application Sep 13 05:16:56 er, no, you do that yourself Sep 13 05:17:04 okay :/ Sep 13 05:19:23 I was able to use a supplied font by setting a textview's attribute in code, but now I'm using a FlipView for a bunch of textviews, and I'm trying to have their typeface set without finding and iterating through them all. Sep 13 05:19:32 Because that seems like the wrong way to do it. Sep 13 05:21:49 I am trying construct ViewPager with multiple fragments of same type(class) and layout, only content is different but only last page appears at 0th index, all other pages appear blank. any clue? Sep 13 05:22:34 isn't there a template that does exactly that? Sep 13 05:22:39 have a look at that :p Sep 13 05:23:37 wabz, link? plz... Sep 13 05:24:29 start a new project with the latest adt/plugins, and as you go through the project creation settings choose that you want a tab activity with swipe through tabs Sep 13 05:24:52 sorry - actionbar with tabs, not tab activity Sep 13 05:25:14 ok, let me try. thx. Sep 13 05:26:15 I think it has a static inner fragment class Sep 13 05:28:12 hehe http://i.imgur.com/C3quh.png … that was the most boring phone announcement evar Sep 13 05:29:43 Get off reddit, g00s Sep 13 05:29:53 :) Sep 13 05:35:34 g00s you little bitch Sep 13 05:35:55 ron_frown did i hurt your feelings? why so serious ? Sep 13 05:36:04 yeah iphone 5 wtf Sep 13 05:36:21 two guys talked about it for 20 minutes. do you remember how long steve jobs talked about the first iphone? Sep 13 05:36:30 wabz, yes, template example uses inner class fragment and in my case fragment is another main class. I guess it should not matter. (still looking at generated code... ) Sep 13 05:36:58 g00s - done any custom control drawing? Sep 13 05:37:24 ron_frown unfortunately, i'm going to have to do that pretty soon but i find it daunting Sep 13 05:38:03 i need a new viewgroup with animations and stuff, all has to work back to froyo Sep 13 05:39:19 haha Sep 13 05:39:22 good luck Sep 13 05:39:28 animation shit just recently got good =) Sep 13 05:39:34 drag and drop, etc. yeah Sep 13 05:39:41 you can do drag/drop prior Sep 13 05:39:44 android just recently got good :/ Sep 13 05:39:46 but its 100% homebrew Sep 13 05:39:54 yeah Sep 13 05:41:18 I am getting ready to knock out my datagrid, and opensource it Sep 13 05:41:24 "Apple claims that the average iPhone user has more than 100 apps installed on their device." Sep 13 05:41:34 holy crap, i think i have like 2 Sep 13 05:41:36 my dad has a lot and its probably like 20 Sep 13 05:43:16 i've got like 15 Sep 13 05:43:28 BUT HEY! Sep 13 05:43:37 now they have a "BIG" screen for more apps! Sep 13 05:44:42 everybody is going to have to update their app for the 16:9 screen :P Sep 13 05:46:24 Letterboxing is the future of app development Sep 13 05:46:44 it can be pretty easy Sep 13 05:46:50 If anyone was interested in knowing about the custom typeface thing, it appears that this is one workaround: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10179558/android-how-to-add-custom-fonts-to-theme-style-xml Sep 13 05:46:54 if you did autosizing correctly in the first place Sep 13 05:53:14 the apple method of handling diff screen sizes is... not great Sep 13 05:54:35 lol. I left the android sdk manager download packets over the night and now eclipse refuses to boot. Sep 13 05:55:14 shes a very kinky girl, the kind you dont take home to mother, she will never let your spririts down once you get her off the stree, she likes the boys in the band, she says I'm her all time favorite, when my make my move to her room its the right time, shes never hard to please, that girl is pretty wild now, that girls a superfreak Sep 13 05:55:56 wth Sep 13 05:56:01 super freak man Sep 13 05:56:03 haha Sep 13 05:56:13 man eclipse was all new level of frustratng today Sep 13 05:56:27 ron_frown: what version ? Sep 13 05:56:35 no amount of new project from existing source or importing would actually import one of androids demo projects Sep 13 05:56:46 finally just whipped out idea, and it worked like a champ Sep 13 05:56:54 i think i filed that bug about 2 years ago Sep 13 05:57:12 do you guys get that super frustrating bug in eclipse where you're editing xml and it starts completely messing up the lines? e.g. you start editing one line, and it starts messing up another line, and has the display all wrong? Sep 13 05:57:24 haha coworkers have had that problem Sep 13 05:57:26 not I Sep 13 05:57:35 closing/reopening the file never helps - gotta restart eclipse Sep 13 05:57:42 it gets really frustrating :p Sep 13 05:57:50 man I need this ceiling fan working Sep 13 05:58:06 eg, not shaking itself loose in the night and chopping me up Sep 13 05:58:27 heh, its unbalanced :P Sep 13 05:58:39 yes Sep 13 05:58:43 how many blades ? Sep 13 05:58:48 seems to help me if I open it on the eclipse text editor rather than the xml editor first Sep 13 05:58:58 but I am going to just get rid of it, I have the kind that dont have a part they swing on Sep 13 05:59:04 rigid and fixed to the ceilings Sep 13 05:59:13 no balancing, and more clearance Sep 13 05:59:26 any requests for datagrid Sep 13 05:59:55 I intend on implementing select, multiselect, drag/drop columns for os's that will support it, minimal control-in-cell support Sep 13 06:00:01 sorting Sep 13 06:00:08 eventually auto fetch Sep 13 06:04:54 wabz i get it occasionally Sep 13 06:05:55 it seems eclipse on osx is way better behaved than it is on windows Sep 13 06:06:04 my coworkers complain about how long it takes to make a build Sep 13 06:06:58 ron_frown: http://xkcd.com/303/ Sep 13 06:06:59 :D Sep 13 06:07:18 yeah I saw that one Sep 13 06:07:29 that def could be it too Sep 13 06:09:47 wabz, recent update to adt plugin has fixed xml editing issue for me. I was having same issue in eclipse juno Sep 13 06:10:03 hmm it's definitely happening with the latest too :( Sep 13 06:10:14 it seems to happen on some xml files more often than others Sep 13 06:10:31 i'm on linux Sep 13 06:10:32 solution is idea Sep 13 06:10:34 never had it on windows Sep 13 06:10:37 and idea12 is going to own BIGTIME Sep 13 06:11:12 meh i just don't like the look of idea Sep 13 06:11:21 it's pretty good for android dev now Sep 13 06:11:30 intellisense stuff is way wya way Sep 13 06:11:31 but I do like the layout editor in recent versions of adt Sep 13 06:11:32 way better Sep 13 06:11:42 and i dunno that it has the same level of support for so many broad environments and platforms Sep 13 06:11:43 the layout editor in 12 is NICE Sep 13 06:12:00 I like the little things Sep 13 06:12:07 like looking at a layout xml or theme xml Sep 13 06:12:15 it shows color previews in the gutters etc Sep 13 06:12:25 really good intellisense in xml editing Sep 13 06:13:12 at work i use eclipse for android, formerly BB, php, jaascript, multifacted projects with javaservers, java, javascript, etc... i use it for nesC and tinyOS, Sep 13 06:13:37 it does a lot ok, nothing well =) Sep 13 06:13:40 it has its flaws but it is so general purpose Sep 13 06:14:02 problem is, the eclipse project is having a manpower problem Sep 13 06:14:12 after ibm has stopped working on it Sep 13 06:15:15 failed to load the JNI shared library "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\client\jvn.dll". The folder is in path and the file is in there. wtf now. Sep 13 06:15:15 google just donated $20k to the eclipse foundation to help their performance testing … but really, since google's android tools rely on eclipse … one would think they would donate a few engineers or something Sep 13 06:16:06 Program Files (x86) … wut Sep 13 06:16:15 I am sure the adt team contributes some Sep 13 06:17:28 well that's where the java(32bit) installed itself Sep 13 06:17:57 this damn thing worked yesterday but today after android sdk's packet manager had finished downloading doesn't. urgh Sep 13 06:35:13 woah Sep 13 06:35:16 server split Sep 13 06:38:42 off the top of anyones head here, recall what the trick is to have a parameter that would function with either a List or T[]? Sep 13 06:41:47 ron_frown, maybe (T...) ? Sep 13 06:42:53 I thought it was like Sep 13 06:42:56 or something odd like that Sep 13 06:43:12 problem is I rarely see anyone do it Sep 13 06:45:08 oh, hmm Sep 13 06:46:08 shit I dont know, maybe I just cant do it Sep 13 06:46:19 object :) Sep 13 06:46:47 ball Sep 13 06:46:48 balls Sep 13 06:47:10 I can overload the methods, but internally what do I store... I could see people legitimately doing either Sep 13 06:47:26 screw it, I'll overload use Arrays.asList() and store as list internally Sep 13 06:47:38 depends on your needs Sep 13 06:48:25 i generally lean toward a List or ArrayList unless it's a heavy use algorithm that would perform better in an array Sep 13 06:48:40 no resizing but need fast indexing for instance Sep 13 06:49:46 for what I am doing, MOST cases will be minimal data Sep 13 06:50:12 oh hmmm wait ArrayList access is constant Sep 13 06:50:19 ron_frown: maybe you just need Iterable ? Sep 13 06:51:41 oh, maybe that won't work Sep 13 06:51:46 goddam java sucks balls Sep 13 06:51:53 haha Sep 13 06:52:01 array appears to be pretty primitive Sep 13 06:52:03 oh well Sep 13 06:52:04 haha Sep 13 06:52:07 my overload crap will work Sep 13 06:52:13 it's good at what it's good at Sep 13 06:52:29 its good at a lot imo, the language conventions could be improved Sep 13 06:52:37 puts a lot of burden on the programmer, but it's safe and tight Sep 13 06:52:58 by burden i mean, t's fucking verbose and boilerplate heavy Sep 13 06:53:07 i like things crazy and loose though Sep 13 06:53:08 try scala Sep 13 06:53:43 know of it? Sep 13 06:55:40 anyone with recommendations of fetching a property value by name of property? =) Sep 13 06:56:09 depnds on the property and what you're fetching from Sep 13 06:56:16 shit Sep 13 06:56:31 I think I may have just had a stroke of genius =) Sep 13 06:56:42 doubt it Sep 13 06:56:46 HAHAHA Sep 13 06:56:51 ^^ Sep 13 06:56:54 :) Sep 13 06:57:00 you damn lurker Sep 13 06:57:10 yeah my iq test unfortunately didnt rate me in genius range =( Sep 13 06:57:14 Drager has been reading silently for hours waiting on his chance to strike Sep 13 06:58:21 :D Sep 13 06:58:52 Not really, just went to work and started irc and saw my chance ;) Sep 13 06:59:42 ah. well i find it weird theres like 700 people in this room at all times and it's usually pretty quiet. makes me feel monitored Sep 13 06:59:52 so the new ipod dock connector doesn't have high quality line out any more. Sep 13 07:00:19 that is peculiar Sep 13 07:02:14 "Not only will it get to keep charging accessory makers a licensing fee to connect with its devices, but it will also be able to reject any accessories that it doesn’t like. And one day in the future, it will be able to decide, once again, to throw the whole industry under the bus by changing the dock again." Sep 13 07:02:24 heh Sep 13 07:02:52 closed model. can be a blessing and a curse. usually a curse in the long rn Sep 13 07:03:14 i don't know why industry put up with their bullshit so long in the first place Sep 13 07:03:40 i grew up with a c64 that was , not really open or closed. controlled by one company, proprietary i guess, but open. Sep 13 07:08:42 ron_frown: you work on your own vehicles, right ? Sep 13 07:08:50 yes sir I do Sep 13 07:08:59 and you have a dodge truck, correct ? Sep 13 07:09:05 yes sir I do Sep 13 07:09:18 how long (years or miles) do you think an IAC should last ? Sep 13 07:09:48 theoretically forever... but I have seen them go out Sep 13 07:09:57 very very common problem on hondas =) Sep 13 07:10:15 i keep having mine go out like clockwork like every 4 years Sep 13 07:10:22 wtf... what kinda vehicle Sep 13 07:10:22 oh , my truck is 96 :) Sep 13 07:10:30 err, 97 dodge dakota Sep 13 07:10:45 my truck is a diesel, and it doesnt have that but I've owned two other rams, and a dakota Sep 13 07:10:55 v6 or v8 Sep 13 07:10:58 v6 Sep 13 07:11:05 its balls Sep 13 07:11:06 hahah I had that very truck back in the day Sep 13 07:11:19 regular cab 4x4 Sep 13 07:11:31 no ac =( Sep 13 07:11:31 regular , 2wd Sep 13 07:11:43 heh, my ac is broken --- in phoenix :/ Sep 13 07:12:16 well that motor is actually particularly problematic... (not for iac specifically)... Sep 13 07:12:29 you got a nice clean air filter? Sep 13 07:12:33 can someone tell me why this lat and long points to china in google maps api? 32.80 , 96.79 Sep 13 07:12:47 i want it to point to Dallas, Texas Sep 13 07:13:06 cause it's china? Sep 13 07:13:12 ron_frown: not sure, have to check Sep 13 07:13:22 how to i calculate the lat and long for Dallas than? Sep 13 07:13:23 You may have to move Greenwich London to Arizona, brick by brick, in order to make that happen Sep 13 07:13:35 thats about the only thing I could think of... if that sensor makes contact with inbound air, thats about the only cause I could think of Sep 13 07:13:53 on my truck, I have emissions shit which basically dumps diesel smoke back into my intake Sep 13 07:13:58 causes a whole mess of problems Sep 13 07:14:24 kingargon Sep 13 07:14:29 pull up google maps Sep 13 07:14:33 type dallas Sep 13 07:14:34 is there a way to get the lat and long for Dallas? i googled it and it gives me China's coordinates Sep 13 07:14:41 k Sep 13 07:14:56 apparently they can be cleaned, and its location etc should make that a very easy task Sep 13 07:15:15 my dakota pinged like a mf... sounded like someone threw a bunch of pennies into my engine intake Sep 13 07:15:18 im seeing Dallas but no coordinates Sep 13 07:15:31 ron_frown: yeah, can be cleaned … not easy to get out - need torx and the bit driver version (not enough room for the screw driver) Sep 13 07:15:44 Well from google maps, right click the point on the map, and go "what's here?" from that menu, then you see the coords in the search bar Sep 13 07:15:50 ron_frown: yeah, mine pings too Sep 13 07:16:02 Dallas is about 32.75, -96.8 or so Sep 13 07:16:09 :)) Sep 13 07:16:11 thanks! Sep 13 07:16:17 dallas is -96 Sep 13 07:16:19 you have positive Sep 13 07:16:32 btw there is also a labs plugin for google maps where you can drop a pin, and click on it for lat/lng Sep 13 07:16:47 you're literally on the opposite side of the world. you dug a hole from dallas to china :-D Sep 13 07:17:20 lol, awesome Sep 13 07:17:25 Not really, speakingcode - He's found the Dallas of Mirror Earth Sep 13 07:17:36 if you click the link button in maps, you will get the lat/long Sep 13 07:17:38 THe one you get when you reflect in the Greenwich Meridian Sep 13 07:17:42 no labs required Sep 13 07:17:47 thanks again guys! Sep 13 07:17:54 nod, ll= is the lat/long param Sep 13 07:18:31 would that not be the opposite side of earth? hmm oh well i guess not, do Sep 13 07:18:33 doh* Sep 13 07:19:24 Well consider what would happen at 5, 1 and 5, -1, say Sep 13 07:19:30 +180 would be the opposite Sep 13 07:19:56 You'd have to +180 the latitude, and negate the longitude Sep 13 07:19:59 or well, +180 % 360 Sep 13 07:20:24