**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:58 2012
Sep 19 03:02:24 <junnel1001> freeone3000: how to save by the way in onPause()..and what i am going to save??
Sep 19 03:03:00 <junnel1001> freeone3000: Firsttime in android by the way.....and i don't actually know what you mean
Sep 19 03:03:52 <g00s> hmm, i wonder where the developers of the various depth of field / hyperfocal distance calculators get data on all the manufacturer lenses, crop factors, etc
Sep 19 03:15:25 <Hodapp> g00s: a good deal of this information can be found merely in the APIs.
Sep 19 03:15:46 <g00s> Hodapp: oh, i meant standalone cameras :)
Sep 19 03:15:47 <Hodapp> g00s: some of it isn't in the APIs, but if you grab a JPEG image from the camera and look at the Exif data, it's there.
Sep 19 03:16:08 <Hodapp> g00s: oh, for standalone cameras, there are databases that include a lot of parameters
Sep 19 03:16:24 <Hodapp> one was called clens, but I don't know what form it became (I only used clens circa 2006)
Sep 19 03:16:49 <g00s> hmm, ok thx
Sep 19 03:16:54 <ron_frown> gonna buy me this soon
Sep 19 03:16:54 <ron_frown> http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20B/Ducati%20Streetfighter%20848%2012%20%203.jpg
Sep 19 03:16:56 <ron_frown> mmmmm
Sep 19 03:17:10 <canadiancow> why is bank of america's website so slow
Sep 19 03:17:11 * canadiancow misses canada
Sep 19 03:17:21 <g00s> americancow ?
Sep 19 03:17:26 <canadiancow> also: to everyone who wants to buy me a drink, now is your chance
Sep 19 03:17:28 <canadiancow> :)
Sep 19 03:19:02 <canadiancow> and no, im not americancow
Sep 19 03:19:09 <canadiancow> i'm non-resident-alien-cow
Sep 19 03:20:01 <sivsiv> hi?
Sep 19 03:24:02 <alex_PP> ron_frown, very nice
Sep 19 03:24:18 <ron_frown> hell yes it is
Sep 19 03:24:19 <L4nce0> Hey guys, so I have been looking for a few weeks how to solve (something that I don't see how could be an issue) screen rotations on a simple ap. I rotate the screen, get a text anything the ap gets an out of memory error. At this point I've stripped it down to a single screen with 2 buttons on it.  This one, rotate the screen 2, 3 times, crashes. On the real ap with a background instant crash .. http://pastebin.com/XxnAepkw http
Sep 19 03:24:20 <L4nce0> ://pastebin.com/XTsQc7Au  http://pastebin.com/RNcsAfRJ
Sep 19 03:25:21 <g00s> ron_frown: what does your wife think :P
Sep 19 03:25:44 <ron_frown> I wanted a cheaper bike, said that one was the one I really wanted
Sep 19 03:25:48 <ron_frown> and she said just get that one
Sep 19 03:25:50 <ron_frown> soooo
Sep 19 03:26:15 <g00s> does she have a good life insurance policy out?
Sep 19 03:26:17 <g00s> :)
Sep 19 03:28:36 <ron_frown> I've been riding 5yr
Sep 19 03:28:41 <ron_frown> and never had even any close calls
Sep 19 03:28:47 <ron_frown> not to say it wont happen
Sep 19 03:28:54 <ron_frown> just gotta have self control
Sep 19 03:29:08 <g00s> well, often its not you
Sep 19 03:29:29 <L4nce0> I usually get yelled out for going off topic...
Sep 19 03:29:30 <ron_frown> yep
Sep 19 03:29:35 <bankai_> aww that ducati is a nice bike!
Sep 19 03:29:44 <ron_frown> meh we're the regulars
Sep 19 03:29:45 <ron_frown> haha
Sep 19 03:29:52 <L4nce0> fair enough lol
Sep 19 03:29:53 <g00s> like my buddy who was going to the race track; lady came out of parking lot and almost killed him. he can't even see stright - seriously, he's so fucked up. he lived because he had some crazy safety armor stuff on for racing
Sep 19 03:30:58 <ron_frown> I never get on my bike without that crazy armor
Sep 19 03:31:41 <bankai_> nothing quite like riding along the coast in shorts and singlet ;) ( until you come off :P )
Sep 19 03:32:29 <ron_frown> I've crashed
Sep 19 03:32:45 <ron_frown> but thats what you get going into a corner hot, and take it into a ditch going 55mph
Sep 19 03:32:59 <g00s> or there is gravel in the road ...
Sep 19 03:33:08 <g00s> coyote runs in front of you ...
Sep 19 03:33:18 <ron_frown> I've hit tons of gravel and rocks and shit
Sep 19 03:33:22 <ron_frown> never had a problem with it
Sep 19 03:33:41 <g00s> or in my case, during downhill mountain bike practice, a fucking cow went across the road
Sep 19 03:33:49 <bankai_> my rear wheel loves to get spinning on that shit - our roads suck here
Sep 19 03:34:04 <ron_frown> yeah I think thats the key
Sep 19 03:34:12 <ron_frown> get the shittiest jankiest bike and learn to ride that thing good
Sep 19 03:34:17 <ron_frown> in any conditions
Sep 19 03:34:54 <ron_frown> then get yourself a nice bike
Sep 19 03:35:02 <ron_frown> should be able to kick ass and take names
Sep 19 03:35:03 <bankai_> you know these new ZX14Rs have traction control ?
Sep 19 03:36:20 <bankai_> i always thought traction control and ABS were more of a goldwing thing :\
Sep 19 03:41:31 <ron_frown> uhh LOTS of bikes have traction control now
Sep 19 03:41:40 <ron_frown> the ducati does, the tuonos do,
Sep 19 04:38:46 <dandaman1> anyone ever root their sgs3?
Sep 19 04:40:19 <saik0> dandaman1: try #android-root
Sep 19 04:42:36 <dandaman1> saik0: yeah, nobody's active there :\
Sep 19 04:43:11 <saik0> dandaman1: thats irrelevant to whether or not it's offtopic here
Sep 19 04:43:35 <dandaman1> yeah, i was just gonna ask and then PM
Sep 19 04:45:38 <ron_frown> dandaman1 yes
Sep 19 04:45:50 <ron_frown> vzw sgs3
Sep 19 04:48:34 <dandaman1> ron_frown: mind if i PM you?
Sep 19 04:48:46 <dandaman1> im not getting the install zipi from sdcard option in CWMrecovery
Sep 19 04:48:46 <ron_frown> go to android-root I'll answer there
Sep 19 04:48:49 <dandaman1> sure
Sep 19 05:02:45 <faeezkadiri> hi
Sep 19 05:06:59 <ron_frown> so g00s  whats new bish
Sep 19 05:10:49 <faeezkadiri> I have 3 activities i.e A, B, C. We start with Activity A, in A we show a progress dialogue n make a network call, if it is successful we goto Activity B, in B again we show progress dialogue n make a network call, if it is successful we goto Activity C, the application is working perfectly but problem is I can see the transition from A->B->C, in those activity i am not setting the content view, content View is set if the network call fails, please can 
Sep 19 05:13:26 <jasta> for any of you guys interested in my NSURLConnection analysis, i finally posted it: http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2012/09/significant-keep-alive-performance-flaw.html
Sep 19 05:16:06 <ron_frown> wrong channel?
Sep 19 05:18:41 <g00s> jasta: post it to HN
Sep 19 05:18:57 <g00s> seems kinda like the beefy shit HN geeks eat up
Sep 19 05:19:13 <g00s> and hopefully some good comments, or rebuttal :)
Sep 19 05:20:17 <g00s> ron_frown: hmm … not much, just reading. coming up with new ideas, etc  / the usual. oh, and taking lots of crappy pictures ;)
Sep 19 05:21:21 <ron_frown> selling any apps?
Sep 19 05:21:32 <g00s> i have one app which is not selling :)
Sep 19 05:21:43 <jasta> g00s: was just moving over to there now
Sep 19 05:24:36 <g00s> ron_frown: fix your data grid ?
Sep 19 05:24:54 <ron_frown> hahahahah yes yes I did
Sep 19 05:25:00 <ron_frown> it was fucking retarded problem
Sep 19 05:25:00 <g00s> :)
Sep 19 05:25:02 <ron_frown> REAL retarded
Sep 19 05:25:14 <ron_frown> I am used to .net where you can do just .Columns etc
Sep 19 05:25:28 <ron_frown> well I call getColumns() cept in my implementation I had it building views
Sep 19 05:25:38 <ron_frown> so for each col for each row, it was rebuilding columns arrawy etc
Sep 19 05:25:41 <ron_frown> array
Sep 19 05:26:38 <ron_frown> having dynamic column means convertview isnt going to be able to work quite as well as a static view holder etc
Sep 19 05:26:43 <ron_frown> but it performs a LOT better
Sep 19 05:26:54 <ron_frown> still planning on a complete rewrite inheriting from view alone
Sep 19 05:29:52 <BadDesign> Is anyone here using OpenID for a native Android application?
Sep 19 05:31:27 <faeezkadiri> I have 3 activities i.e A, B, C. We start with Activity A, in A we show a progress dialogue n make a network call, if it is successful we goto Activity B, in B again we show progress dialogue n make a network call, if it is successful we goto Activity C, the application is working perfectly but problem is I can see the transition from A->B->C, in those activity i am not setting the content view, content View is set if the network call fails, please can 
Sep 19 05:33:25 <g00s> faeezkadiri: maybe put the network calls in an intentservice, and just show one activity :)
Sep 19 05:34:33 <faeezkadiri> g00s: but its a requirement to do network calls in async task
Sep 19 05:34:56 <g00s> faeezkadiri: its a requirement to do network calls off the main thread; you dont have to use asynctask
Sep 19 05:35:07 <g00s> actually, i never use asynctask for network calls
Sep 19 05:35:16 <pandahacker> If I want to build only gingerbread, how would I go about setting up repo?
Sep 19 05:35:58 <gutano> flour, eggs, brown sugar, molasses (sp?)
Sep 19 05:36:06 <ron_frown> g00s why
Sep 19 05:36:33 <gutano> pandahacker, I don't know the answer to your question, but I can tell it lacks enough detail for someone to know what your asking
Sep 19 05:36:42 <faeezkadiri> g00s: I know that buddy but i am told to do it that way
Sep 19 05:38:28 <g00s> ron_frown: i'm sure you know this :P
Sep 19 05:38:39 <saik0> faeezkadiri: so run multiple asynctasks in one activity? I dont follow why you're using three.
Sep 19 05:38:49 <ron_frown> I dont
Sep 19 05:40:39 <g00s> i always do networking in a service. if the app is backgrounded w/asynctask doing networking, the process could be killed and you'll have to waste reading or writing stuff again (battery, cellular bandwidth, $$$). in a service, its a bit more reliable. and i think intentservice + event bus is very easy and elegant
Sep 19 05:40:48 <anoop> Is it ok passing an instance if calling activity in to an AsyncTask? on PostExecute I need to call a function of the activity. will that effect the main thread performance?
Sep 19 05:41:32 <ron_frown> do you use otto?
Sep 19 05:41:38 <g00s> anoop: use asynctask like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3357477/is-asynctask-really-conceptually-flawed-or-am-i-just-missing-something/3359003#3359003
Sep 19 05:41:44 <g00s> ron_frown: no, i had my own before otto
Sep 19 05:42:25 <ron_frown> cool
Sep 19 05:42:34 <ron_frown> I am not sure I agree with that as an ideal solution
Sep 19 05:42:41 <ron_frown> but certainly apps may make more sense that way
Sep 19 05:42:47 <g00s> :)
Sep 19 05:42:50 <ron_frown> you have just the network calls/responses happen there?
Sep 19 05:43:02 <g00s> yeah
Sep 19 05:43:06 <ron_frown> and then the android app just pushes requests for the service to fire
Sep 19 05:43:13 <faeezkadiri> g00s: thanks for ur advice will try as suggested by u
Sep 19 05:43:36 <g00s> ron_frown: yeah. basically like virgil in the old i/o talk about android & rest
Sep 19 05:43:48 <ron_frown> I never saw it
Sep 19 05:44:01 <g00s> still relevant
Sep 19 05:44:13 <g00s> except for the part about "the source will be available" ;)
Sep 19 05:44:29 <ron_frown> it'd be super easy to move my shit into a service, but being that my connection manager fires of asynctasks
Sep 19 05:44:44 <ron_frown> it'd probably be better to refactor everything
Sep 19 05:45:31 <Android03> hey anyone has worked with ssl certificates? i have added the certificate for the code to work on android 2.2 or below devices.I am getting java.io.IOException: SSL handshake failure: I/O error during system call, Connection reset by peer . the whole post is here  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12405902/adding-certificate-for-android-2-2 .  please help me guys ....
Sep 19 05:46:30 <saik0> IIRC virgil suggested using sqlite backed content provider to store responses (and some request state)
Sep 19 05:47:31 <g00s> saik0: he gave 3 options; i think you are referring to the 3rd
Sep 19 05:48:13 <ron_frown> holy mother of god, that sounds like a terrible idea
Sep 19 05:48:39 <saik0> Hmm, i vaguely remember the third involving a syncadapter. So maybe second :)
Sep 19 05:48:58 <tagrudev> Android03, are you trying to make https request if so I did it like this https://gist.github.com/3747894
Sep 19 05:49:50 <tagrudev> Android03, and thats for a POST
Sep 19 05:49:54 <gnuanu> g00s : thanks for the link, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3357477/is-asynctask-really-conceptually-flawed-or-am-i-just-missing-something/3359003#3359003
Sep 19 05:50:25 <gnuanu> g00s my doubt is, will it work the same way if the AsyncTask class is outside the activity class?
Sep 19 05:50:49 <ron_frown> shit I just realized my network layer may be able to be improved
Sep 19 05:50:51 <gnuanu> this is because i have to call that task from more than one activities
Sep 19 05:50:52 <Android03> tagrudev : yes i ma making https resquest
Sep 19 05:51:07 <ron_frown> right now I have a asyntask dispatcher, and then communicate the results back via a handler and messages
Sep 19 05:51:10 <ron_frown> but I may not need the handler etc
Sep 19 05:51:13 <tagrudev> Android03, what ssl provider are you using ?
Sep 19 05:51:24 <ron_frown> since the onPostExecute appears to run on ui theread
Sep 19 05:51:25 <ron_frown> thread
Sep 19 05:51:42 <g00s> gnuanu: sure. its a static inner class (best practice) but it doesn't have to be
Sep 19 05:52:12 <gnuanu> g00s: ok, thanks :-)
Sep 19 05:52:18 <Android03> tagrudev : i don't know which ssl provider i m using ,  this certificate was given by the client . how can i check which provider it is?
Sep 19 05:53:13 <Android03> tagrudev : Actually i saw your code you using defaultHttpConnection , but i want to make use of HttpUrlConnection
Sep 19 05:53:19 <tagrudev> openssl s_client -connect iamawesome.com:443
Sep 19 05:55:07 <g00s> interesting that apple designed its own arm cores possibly on the a6; and it looks like it was completed in 2010
Sep 19 05:55:45 <g00s> meanwhile, sammy announces the sgs4 … uh, for like feb 2013
Sep 19 05:56:47 <tagrudev> Android03, so the provider is ?
Sep 19 05:58:19 <Android03> tagrudev : here is the output i m geeting http://pastebin.com/4r98s5bB
Sep 19 05:58:42 <Android03> tagrudev : i don't know where to see the provider name?
Sep 19 05:59:03 <tagrudev> and what was the command you used ?
Sep 19 05:59:54 <tagrudev> you have to use the port usually 443
Sep 19 06:00:10 <Android03> tagrudev : openssl s_client -connect server addreess
Sep 19 06:00:43 <tagrudev> Android03: openssl s_client -connect host:port
Sep 19 06:00:55 <Android03> tagrudev : oh ok
Sep 19 06:01:49 <Android03> tagrudev : hey but how do i know the port no the server is running on?
Sep 19 06:02:08 <Android03> tagrudev : i ll try with 443
Sep 19 06:02:39 <tagrudev> do so
Sep 19 06:02:43 <HorizonXP> hey guys, i'm looking at the GridView source code, and I'm wondering, does anyone know what mLayoutMode in layoutChildren() might do?
Sep 19 06:03:10 <Android03> tarudev : i did by port no 443 it says : gethostbyname failure connect:errno=110
Sep 19 06:03:31 <Android03> tagrudev : i did by port no 443 it says : gethostbyname failure connect:errno=110
Sep 19 06:03:34 <HorizonXP> moreover, can i just copy and paste the gridview source code into my own file and modify as I need to?
Sep 19 06:03:47 <HorizonXP> what about these com.android.internal references?
Sep 19 06:04:22 <tagrudev> Android03, paste me the exact command you're using you can query it to me
Sep 19 06:04:30 <lethjakman> hey, I'm getting a view from a fragment. but I always get a null pointer exception
Sep 19 06:04:37 <SimonVT> You need to copy the resources gridview uses to your own project
Sep 19 06:04:50 <SimonVT> And reference them via your own R
Sep 19 06:05:16 <HorizonXP> SimonVT: sounds doable
Sep 19 06:05:17 <lethjakman> Is there any reason the garbage collection would be picking this up or something?
Sep 19 06:05:33 <lethjakman> https://gist.github.com/e44d516a3bcad41f5686
Sep 19 06:05:46 <SimonVT> They also tend to use a lot of private fields/methods in the framework
Sep 19 06:05:50 <SimonVT> Gotta fix those as well
Sep 19 06:06:07 <Android03> tagrudev : yes i have got the provider its geotrust
Sep 19 06:06:20 <HorizonXP> SimonVT: is it worth going through all the effort?
Sep 19 06:06:40 <HorizonXP> i'm trying to create a gridview with equal spacing between items, both horizontally and vertically
Sep 19 06:06:50 <HorizonXP> so that items in a row are not necessarily aligned to each other
Sep 19 06:07:02 <HorizonXP> I'll go down this gridview re-write route if I have to
Sep 19 06:07:07 <HorizonXP> just wondering if there's an easier way.
Sep 19 06:07:17 <SimonVT> No idea
Sep 19 06:07:42 <HorizonXP> hmm.
Sep 19 06:08:26 <tagrudev> Android03, check if it has any issues with android now :)
Sep 19 06:09:03 <Android03> tagrudev : i didn't get you. what i need to check with android?
Sep 19 06:09:15 <tagrudev> Android03, http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=10807
Sep 19 06:10:29 <Android03> tagrudev : i saw this post . do u want to say the failure is from the provider ?
Sep 19 06:12:11 <tagrudev> Android03, last time i did ssl shits with android I found out that I have to install additional CA certificates on top of the one I had
Sep 19 06:12:25 <tagrudev> just a thought that your code maybe right and the problem may be this :)
Sep 19 06:14:29 <Android03> tagrudev : so how can i install this additional CA certificate and where i can get this ?
Sep 19 06:15:29 <g00s> "A test of the iPhone 5's new A6 processor yielded a surprisingly quick score on SunSpider's JavaScript benchmarking tool, with the system on chip topping even the Medfield Atom Z2460." … wow, hats off
Sep 19 06:16:05 <Android03> tagrudev : check this i m getting from the command for getting provider . may be you can find out something http://pastebin.com/Zu98kkd0
Sep 19 06:16:13 * g00s adds usual disclaimer about synthetic benchmarks
Sep 19 06:16:14 <ron_frown> g00s who cares... iphones blow
Sep 19 06:16:21 <ron_frown> software blows
Sep 19 06:16:38 <g00s> i think the ui is getting stale, the hw is awesome though
Sep 19 06:16:52 <ron_frown> leave it to apple to tweak a few components of x hardware and spin it off as some miraculous new thing
Sep 19 06:17:00 <ron_frown> hw isnt really that awesoem
Sep 19 06:17:13 <ron_frown> ist just that android ui etc requires more resources to get it to run smooth
Sep 19 06:17:49 <ron_frown> I dont think android would have taken off as well as it did if it were c++ only, but I think it would have been a lot easier to make stuff perform well on a 800mhz processor
Sep 19 06:18:03 <ron_frown> thats why I wanted android to adopt clutter and mx toolkit
Sep 19 06:18:07 <ron_frown> vs view shit they have
Sep 19 06:18:24 <tagrudev> Android03, hmm try to access your host from the browser of your phone if it gets through it is ok
Sep 19 06:18:31 <g00s> i never heard of those. anyhow, i don't plan on getting one (but maybe i would get an ipod touch for dev)
Sep 19 06:18:33 <ron_frown> I dont know if that woul dhave actually improved anything with the rest of the VM in place
Sep 19 06:18:42 <r0yalty> Is it possible to open a file from a class that does not extend activity and where I have no reference to a context?
Sep 19 06:18:42 <Android03> tagrudev : ok
Sep 19 06:18:46 <ron_frown> g00s - clutter is in use in a lot of infotainment/tv's etc
Sep 19 06:18:59 <ron_frown> mx toolkit is ui components for it that were built for meego
Sep 19 06:19:28 <g00s> interesting
Sep 19 06:19:44 <wabz> anyone ever submitted an app to the samsung store before?
Sep 19 06:19:51 <ron_frown> https://clutter-project.org/
Sep 19 06:19:54 <g00s> samsung has a store ?
Sep 19 06:20:02 <ron_frown> check out the "media explorer" video
Sep 19 06:20:02 <g00s> lulx
Sep 19 06:21:06 <g00s> yeah, pretty cool.
Sep 19 06:21:29 <ron_frown> I though the 4s was even <= 1ghz
Sep 19 06:21:50 <ron_frown> you can do shit like that with a fully native application and ui
Sep 19 06:22:56 <ron_frown> on the other hand, its kinda pointless if the applications and UI are designed to run on a lot less, and its so easy to build compliant apps
Sep 19 06:23:24 <ron_frown> my boss was askign me why we didnt go quad processor for our custom hardware, and I was trying to explain its additional cost for probably no additional gain
Sep 19 06:23:35 <g00s> ron_frown: is ubuntu using clutter in their forthcoming mobile stuff ?
Sep 19 06:23:59 <ron_frown> with the exception of MAYBE games... most apps will run decent on my old original galaxy s
Sep 19 06:24:02 <Android03> tagrudev: it open a dailog says : there are problems with the security certificate for this site
Sep 19 06:24:03 <ron_frown> dunno
Sep 19 06:24:15 <tagrudev> Android03, so here we have an answer :)
Sep 19 06:25:07 <Android03> tagrudev: i have very little knowledge of certificates . can you tell me what does that mean?
Sep 19 06:25:27 <ron_frown> g00s its extremely lightweight toolkit thats super powerful, and designed for antiquated hardware
Sep 19 06:25:31 <ron_frown> like the eepc shit
Sep 19 06:25:55 <tagrudev> Android03, ask the client exactly what type of ssl did he buy, search for a solution on how to make it trusted on android
Sep 19 06:26:04 <ron_frown> I was getting pissed at the android dev tools, the ui toolkits etc
Sep 19 06:26:08 <nickhs> howdy, I launch the following intent but I don't see any video playing. What am I doing wrong? Log: http://pastebin.com/Un87mU5t Code: https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/blob/master/Android/VideoPlayer/2.0.0/src/com/phonegap/plugins/video/VideoPlayer.java
Sep 19 06:26:24 <ron_frown> I was going to build some helper frameworks for c++ and use clutter+mx on android to build lightning fast apps
Sep 19 06:26:48 <ron_frown> seems like thats somewhat expirimental atm
Sep 19 06:27:02 <Android03> tagrudev : ok you mean we need to talk to the provider also try make our things work on the android devices
Sep 19 06:27:26 <Android03> tagrudev : ok you mean we need to talk to the provider also to make our things work on the android devices
Sep 19 06:27:54 <tagrudev> you need to talk to your client and ask him the exact type of certificate he bought :)
Sep 19 06:31:56 <Android03> tagrudev : ok , if he provides me the exact type of certificate then things must be working ?
Sep 19 06:32:39 <tagrudev> Android03, then you can investigate on how to make it a trusted one for your android
Sep 19 06:33:03 <Android03> tagrudev : i guess there are lots of things involved with this ssl certificate issue. can you provide me the link so that i can better understand this
Sep 19 06:35:03 <tagrudev> Android03, there is no exact link I can provide get familiar with the topic
Sep 19 06:35:35 <Android03> tagrudev : ok no problem. thanks a lot to help me
Sep 19 06:36:04 <tagrudev> yw :)
Sep 19 06:54:37 <lethjakman> does anyone here by chance have a really good understanding of views?
Sep 19 06:56:15 <romainguy_> lethjakman: I do
Sep 19 06:56:56 <SimonVT> haha
Sep 19 06:57:05 <lethjakman> I have a view that I can add items to
Sep 19 06:57:09 <lethjakman> but only when I'm not inflating it
Sep 19 06:57:27 <lethjakman> if it's inflated through the setcontentview the items display
Sep 19 06:57:42 <lethjakman> but if I inflate it from another content view it doesn't work.
Sep 19 06:58:01 <romainguy_> "but if I inflate it from another content view it doesn't work." << I don't understand what this means
Sep 19 06:58:40 <lethjakman> https://gist.github.com/ea34ecafd85c8390e594
Sep 19 06:58:43 <lethjakman> inflating like that
Sep 19 06:59:07 <romainguy_> what do you do with afragment then?
Sep 19 06:59:14 <romainguy_> you need to add it to your activity
Sep 19 07:00:04 <lethjakman> how do you mean?
Sep 19 07:00:11 <lethjakman> let me show you everything that would add the list
Sep 19 07:00:15 <lethjakman> https://gist.github.com/5306608aeade24f690f7
Sep 19 07:00:53 <romainguy_> why are you doing addContentView()?
Sep 19 07:01:02 <lethjakman> oops, ignore that
Sep 19 07:01:14 <lethjakman> I read online that that's what I needed to do, it just casues a crash
Sep 19 07:01:22 <romainguy_> call setContentView()
Sep 19 07:01:29 <romainguy_> you need to add your inflated View to the Activity
Sep 19 07:01:30 <lethjakman> where?
Sep 19 07:01:43 <lethjakman> oh!
Sep 19 07:01:50 <lethjakman>         setContentView(R.layout.main);
Sep 19 07:01:53 <lethjakman> that's at the top
Sep 19 07:02:01 <lethjakman> I excluded a lot of the tab code
Sep 19 07:02:05 <romainguy_> but that's a different layout
Sep 19 07:02:22 <romainguy_> once you inflate R.layout.afragment you need to add it to your Activity
Sep 19 07:02:26 <romainguy_> you're not doing that
Sep 19 07:02:59 <lethjakman> setContentView(afragment);
Sep 19 07:03:02 <lethjakman> is that what you mean?
Sep 19 07:03:46 <SimonVT> for example, or add it to a viewgroup in your current content view
Sep 19 07:05:02 <lethjakman> I don't think I'm understanding
Sep 19 07:06:39 <SimonVT> You have a reference to afragment.. But afragment is not added to your content view
Sep 19 07:06:43 <SimonVT> So it will not be drawn
Sep 19 07:07:13 <SimonVT> For it to actually show up on your screen, you have to add it
Sep 19 07:07:38 <SimonVT> Either through setContentView, or by calling ViewGroup.addView(afragment) on a viewgroup that already exists in your content view
Sep 19 07:10:46 <lethjakman> if I try either setContentView(afragment); it crashes. is that wrong?
Sep 19 07:11:23 <saik0> SimonVT: huh, should'nt that be added with a FragmentTransaction?
Sep 19 07:11:58 <gutano> it's layout with an inflated fragment, not a programmatic fragment (believe that makes a diff)
Sep 19 07:12:14 <gutano> or perhaps it doesn't even contain a fragment and is just.. cleverly named?
Sep 19 07:12:31 <lethjakman> it does contain a fragment
Sep 19 07:14:01 <nickhs> howdy, I launch the following intent but I don't see any video playing. What am I doing wrong? Log: http://pastebin.com/Un87mU5t Code: https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/blob/master/Android/VideoPlayer/2.0.0/src/com/phonegap/plugins/video/VideoPlayer.java
Sep 19 07:14:19 <nickhs> note changing the URL from S3 to youtube works just fine
Sep 19 07:17:09 <lethjakman> I mean....I can see the listview....it's just empty
Sep 19 07:17:25 <lethjakman> it's inside of a fragment inside of the R.layout.main if I understand right
Sep 19 07:18:52 <BadDesign> Anyone knows a website with screenshots for Android app showcases?
Sep 19 07:19:03 <BadDesign> i.e. user interface design and flows
Sep 19 07:25:11 <Clandestine> hey guys
Sep 19 07:25:56 <Clandestine> i need suggestion about which is the best JSON parser to be used in Android
Sep 19 07:26:54 <Clandestine> Hello? anyone??
Sep 19 07:27:16 <edwinkcw> Clandestine: ?
Sep 19 07:27:39 <Clandestine>  i need suggestion about which is the best JSON parser to be used in Android
Sep 19 07:28:11 <Ankhwatcher> and here we are again, back in work
Sep 19 07:28:20 <Ankhwatcher> Good Morning everyone
Sep 19 07:28:34 <Clandestine> edwinkcw: do you have an idea about it???
Sep 19 07:28:53 <edwinkcw> Clandestine: I don't know, I used the default one
Sep 19 07:28:59 <edwinkcw> Clandestine: I think gson is okay too
Sep 19 07:29:53 <Clandestine> edwinkcw: that means you use JSONObject
Sep 19 07:30:11 <edwinkcw> yep
Sep 19 07:30:36 <Clandestine> edwinkcw: i know about gson, its actually way better than the default implementation. But i was confused about it with other parsers like Jackson, SimpleJson, etc
Sep 19 07:31:21 <Clandestine> s/SimpleJson/FastJson
Sep 19 07:33:14 <Clandestine> Anyone, which is the best JSON parser and why?
Sep 19 07:34:08 <edwinkcw> why do you need to concern about it?
Sep 19 07:35:43 <Clandestine> I'm employing JSON serialization/deserialization in an application to store contact details in sharedprefs... so its quite a concern for me to have the best JSON parser available for android
Sep 19 07:35:57 <Clandestine> store/retrieve*
Sep 19 07:36:19 <Ivru> clandestine org.json...
Sep 19 07:38:03 <Clandestine> there's no comparison over there.... they just list down the parsers with little bit of specification
Sep 19 07:38:25 <Clandestine> i put the question here in hope that someone might have done comparison manually
Sep 19 07:39:15 <edwinkcw> Clandestine: but I don't know what you mean "the best"
Sep 19 07:39:52 <Clandestine> edwinkcw: haha... superlative case... the parser that actually works the smoothest
Sep 19 07:41:40 <edwinkcw> I think in most cases, the default JSONObject is enough
Sep 19 07:42:04 <Ivru> do your own benchmark then...
Sep 19 07:42:08 <Ivru> srsly
Sep 19 07:44:35 <Clandestine> edwinkcw: hmmm... i see
Sep 19 07:45:20 <Clandestine> Ivru: if you don't have to-the-point suggestions, keep mum.
Sep 19 07:46:40 <Ivru> Clandestine: I told you about the org.json package...
Sep 19 07:50:26 <Clandestine> Ivru: thanks a billion tons for that. By the way, the site is a very basic info
Sep 19 07:52:29 <whomp> when i set my key for the google maps api, should i include the colons?
Sep 19 07:53:38 <gmazoyer> strange, when using tabs + swipe and when tabs are shown as a spinner in the action because of a lack of space, when swiping the spinner is not updated
Sep 19 07:53:56 <gmazoyer> is this a known bug?
Sep 19 07:54:43 <Clandestine> whomp: that colon seperated string isn't your Google Maps API key
Sep 19 07:55:07 <Clandestine> that's a token which you need to use to generate the API key
Sep 19 07:55:08 <whomp> what is it, then?
Sep 19 07:55:14 <whomp> ook
Sep 19 07:55:33 <Clandestine> check the documentation at Google Maps documentation properly
Sep 19 07:55:39 <Clandestine> they have provided steps for it
Sep 19 07:56:27 <whomp> ahh OK
Sep 19 07:56:27 <whomp> thx
Sep 19 07:56:40 <Clandestine> https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/mapkey
Sep 19 07:57:43 <Clandestine> that colon separated string is the MD5 Fingerprint of Your Signing Certificate
Sep 19 07:57:50 <SimonVT> gmazoyer: yeah, there's a bug regarding that
Sep 19 07:58:09 <SimonVT> gmazoyer: Try googling the method, you should find some posts about it
Sep 19 07:58:25 <r0yalty> .
Sep 19 08:00:21 <gmazoyer> SimonVT: ok thanks for confirming :)
Sep 19 08:21:44 <bubbleguuum> anyone has info on the  ILicensingService  service part of the LVL, failing to bind (binService() return false), on some generic unbranded ICS tablets ?: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-developers/cVzMMQL9yuU. I'm looking to understand under which condition this failure happens...
Sep 19 08:46:18 <iSeeDeadPixels> Why am i seeing this in my logcat? http://pastebin.com/X9LL1fWW
Sep 19 08:46:56 <iSeeDeadPixels> this is in my onCreate() http://pastebin.com/D5UXmKs7
Sep 19 08:48:53 <ixc> run roosterparser asynchronous
Sep 19 08:49:28 <iSeeDeadPixels> it is ran async...
Sep 19 08:50:13 <iSeeDeadPixels> ixc, http://pastebin.com/00XSN5iV
Sep 19 08:57:56 <iSeeDeadPixels> ixc?
Sep 19 08:59:46 <ixc> this info log from ur application?
Sep 19 09:00:28 <ixc> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11266535/what-is-android-choreographer
Sep 19 09:00:37 <ixc> first result on google
Sep 19 09:01:13 <iSeeDeadPixels> ixc, yes it's part of the log, and i want to know why it's moaning about it doing too much in the main thread.
Sep 19 09:01:37 <hoangtran> is GCM free?
Sep 19 09:01:59 <iSeeDeadPixels> hoangtran, yes
Sep 19 09:02:28 <iSeeDeadPixels> ixc, it's on my phone by the way
Sep 19 09:06:59 <Mikk36|work> Hey
Sep 19 09:07:32 <Mikk36|work> Is it a feature of MediaRecorder to not tell me that the specified Audio Sampling Rate is not available?
Sep 19 09:07:32 <hoangtran> iSeeDeadPixels: thx, so if for push notification only, GCM will be better than services like Parse.com, right?
Sep 19 09:10:19 <iSeeDeadPixels> probably, yes @ hoangtran
Sep 19 09:10:38 <iSeeDeadPixels> ok, new question, why is onCreate() called when i change orientation?
Sep 19 09:11:21 <Mikk36|work> iSeeDeadPixels, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/runtime-changes.html
Sep 19 09:12:09 <hoangtran> iSeeDeadPixels: hehe, the whole activity recreated when rotating, that's what google choose :)
Sep 19 09:18:12 <kakazza> If I was looking to develop (and be required to) use a multi platform IDE like PhoneGap, Titanium, Marmalade,... which would you guys pick, if any?
Sep 19 09:19:04 <kakazza> I'd love to develop natively, but are there any frameworks that won't make my eyes bleed because I can't have native Apps and thus, UI look and feel?
Sep 19 09:24:12 <Ravenheart> mono
Sep 19 09:25:19 <iSeeDeadPixels> kakazza, eclipse :D
Sep 19 09:25:49 <kakazza> ;p
Sep 19 09:26:32 <kakazza> iSeeDeadPixels: MonoTouch?
Sep 19 09:26:35 <ixc> almost all multiplatform framework make wrappers for some native function + only a webview
Sep 19 09:26:48 <kakazza> I see they have XCode support for Storyboards, so that's a plus.
Sep 19 09:27:10 <kakazza> ixc: I know, very few are native. :\
Sep 19 09:27:46 <ixc> make your application with native code and use opengl
Sep 19 09:27:50 <ixc> easy to port :)
Sep 19 09:28:21 <kakazza> ;)
Sep 19 09:28:35 <kakazza> I think for that kinda stuff, there _are_ cross platform frameworks.
Sep 19 09:28:46 <kakazza> Mostly in C/C++ tho.
Sep 19 09:29:13 <kakazza> Are there non-game Apps that are written in OpenGL?
Sep 19 09:29:21 <kakazza> I mean, notabale ones.
Sep 19 09:29:39 <hokkaido> I dunnon about notable ones, but I have made a video player.
Sep 19 09:30:01 <hokkaido> it renders the frames from opengl es 2.0 textures, because of the need to use software decoder.
Sep 19 09:36:00 <BadDesign> Xamarin.com is the best cross platform solution...
Sep 19 09:44:35 <Jak_o_Shadows> When (for example), weather apps say they'll update every 24 hours, how do they do that? I understand the life cycle of a regular app, but not of a widget on the home screen.
Sep 19 09:45:28 <SimonVT> They use alarmmanager
Sep 19 09:46:24 <Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks, that looks about right. I was looking and all i could find was ebooks (teach yourself in x hours)
Sep 19 09:46:48 <SimonVT> They can also just define in their provider how often they want the widget to update
Sep 19 09:46:52 <napster> Hi there, I have a editText inside a frameLayout. How can I set the top margin for the editText to 20dip through code?
Sep 19 09:47:07 <napster> sorry 120dip
Sep 19 09:47:07 <Jak_o_Shadows> SimonVT: Provider?
Sep 19 09:47:37 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/appwidgets/index.html#MetaData
Sep 19 09:48:32 <SimonVT> If you want that configurable, you can just manage it yourself with a service and alarmmanager
Sep 19 09:48:56 <Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, the provider thing seems a bit better actually. Thanks
Sep 19 09:49:36 <SimonVT> Depends on what your requirements are
Sep 19 09:50:26 <SimonVT> If you set it in xml, you'll get a callback to your AppWidgetProvider when it's time to update
Sep 19 09:50:32 <SimonVT> To onUpdate
Sep 19 09:51:12 <SimonVT> With alarmmanager you get that as well, you just gotta tell the framework to do it manually
Sep 19 09:51:27 <napster> ok, FrameLayout.LayoutParams is what I needed
Sep 19 09:53:12 <Jak_o_Shadows> I'ts just going to be a weather app for mars weather, so updating every 24 hours is plenty.
Sep 19 09:54:49 <SimonVT> Yeah, just keep it simple if it's your first widget
Sep 19 09:56:06 <evident> I am currently writing an App that uses Fragments and the support library for dynamic UIs on different screens (two-pane on tablets)... Now I added a button to the layout of the ListView visible only on single pane displays below the fragment that shows the list. It works on the single pane devices but not on a tablet... the weird thing is that if I put the button above the ListView fragment it works on both systems...
Sep 19 09:56:29 <evident> how can the sole order of items in a layout cause a NullPointerException on the tablet?
Sep 19 09:57:21 <SimonVT> It doesn't :p You're missing something somewhere
Sep 19 09:57:35 <SimonVT> Maybe you forgot to add it to the layout used in some configuration on tablets
Sep 19 09:58:58 <SimonVT> Actually
Sep 19 09:59:03 <SimonVT> Make sure you clean the project
Sep 19 09:59:05 <evident> well I havend used the button yet at all
Sep 19 09:59:13 <evident> t
Sep 19 09:59:30 <evident> it's just put in the layout file
Sep 19 09:59:42 <SimonVT> Reordering views in layouts can sometimes mess up, and not update the id's in already compiled classes
Sep 19 10:01:57 <evident> I just checked again: if I remove the button from the layout file it works everywhere... and if I just put the <Button ...> before the <fragment...> it works everywhere as well...
Sep 19 10:05:53 <evident> ok I've just checked... if I also add the button to the two-pane layout file (with same id and text), it works fine... if the button is not in the two-pane layout file, it must come before the fragment in the other layout file
Sep 19 10:06:00 <evident> yet I have no idea why...
Sep 19 10:06:41 <napster> Does the equation px = dp * (dpi / 160); fail on high dpi like 320?
Sep 19 10:07:06 <SimonVT> Nope
Sep 19 10:07:07 <SimonVT> But
Sep 19 10:07:16 <SimonVT> Use dp * getResources().getDisplayMetrics().density
Sep 19 10:07:32 <napster> ah, ok SimonVT :)
Sep 19 10:13:30 <napster> SimonVT: But, both "metrics.density" and "getResources().getDisplayMetrics().density" returns 2.0
Sep 19 10:13:54 <SimonVT> Yeah
Sep 19 10:14:13 <SimonVT> 1 dp at 160 dpi is 1px
Sep 19 10:14:17 <SimonVT> 1 dp at 320 dpi is 2px
Sep 19 10:14:23 <SimonVT> 1 * 2 = 2
Sep 19 10:14:28 <SimonVT> Math'ed
Sep 19 10:16:27 <napster> SimonVT: err.. one of my view have 350dp height, but when I calculate the height in pixels (using equation in the docs) I get 700.0, which is higher than the actual pixel height!
Sep 19 10:16:49 <SimonVT> No, 350dp is 700px on a xhdpi device
Sep 19 10:17:18 <SimonVT> 525px on hdpi
Sep 19 10:17:21 <SimonVT> And 350px on mdpi
Sep 19 10:17:39 <napster> SimonVT: oh, ok let me experiment with it
Sep 19 10:18:37 <SimonVT> mdpi is the baseline, so .density equals 1 for that. 1.5 for hdpi, 2.0 for xhdpi
Sep 19 10:19:10 <napster> ok
Sep 19 10:21:43 <ultra-> what is it called when you see things like (Context.. params) or (Integer… values)?
Sep 19 10:22:24 <SimonVT> varargs
Sep 19 10:22:59 <ultra-> ok thanks
Sep 19 10:27:34 <ultra-> i'm reading about asynctask… the first argument is the input to the task… what if i want two arguments as input?
Sep 19 10:28:03 <ultra-> bundle, i suppose?
Sep 19 10:29:49 <mitch0> ultra-: have you read http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html ?
Sep 19 10:30:08 <ultra-> i read another asynctask tutorial
Sep 19 10:30:18 <ultra-> i'll read that though
Sep 19 10:30:27 <HDroid> ultra-: that, or a small custom wrapper class, but what I usually do is skip the arguments and use a constructor to pass in arguments.
Sep 19 10:30:46 <ultra-> i'm not sure yet if it's the right solution… i need a thread that stays running and can have calls to its methods at any time, with input
Sep 19 10:30:59 <ultra-> oh that could work too
Sep 19 10:31:01 <HDroid> I.e. public class x { public Type1 a; public Type2 b; }
Sep 19 10:31:19 <HDroid> In fact, I usually use roboasynctask, but that might not be an option.
Sep 19 10:32:17 <HDroid> By that description, I'm not sure if asynctask is what you want, maybe you want to wrap something around a bunch of asynctasks, but more details would help.
Sep 19 10:32:17 <ultra-> i need to do more research in how to go about this… i want a udp socket that can send and receive data at arbitrary times
Sep 19 10:32:28 <ultra-> there's not necessarily a send and then a wait for receive
Sep 19 10:32:59 <HDroid> Doesn't sound like asynctask would make a lot of sense there.
Sep 19 10:33:10 <ultra-> yeah kinda realizing that
Sep 19 10:33:41 <ultra-> probably need 2 threads… one for receiving (which i think will block) and one to send
Sep 19 10:34:17 <ultra-> i wrote a server app for mac using grand central dispatch, which allows the OS to handle the threading for you… i read that manual thread programming is becoming a thing of the past, so i was looking for something similiar with android
Sep 19 10:34:26 <ultra-> both threads would have to be able to use the same socket
Sep 19 10:52:15 <Clandestine> Silence....
Sep 19 10:53:37 <ultra-> golden?
Sep 19 10:53:55 <adq> sound?
Sep 19 11:02:51 <g00s> wow, an actual Firefox OS phone by ZTE
Sep 19 11:06:14 <iSeeDeadPixels> downloading a simple html page via jsoup can be so slow...
Sep 19 11:07:11 <adq> the parser of jsoup is not really fast
Sep 19 11:07:19 <adq> but downloading has nothing to do with jsoup alsmot
Sep 19 11:07:21 <adq> almost*
Sep 19 11:08:03 <iSeeDeadPixels> it takes quite a while for my progressdialog to disappear when done downloading the page...
Sep 19 11:08:16 <iSeeDeadPixels> long enough to make me wanna do prefetching.
Sep 19 11:10:16 <iSeeDeadPixels> hmpf. i'm pondering a intermediate solution
Sep 19 11:10:17 <iSeeDeadPixels> http://pastebin.com/kPwBVtmx
Sep 19 11:13:09 <Jak_o_Shadows> Got a question. Whats wrong with writing native code for smartphones? Surely an autobuild/make/whatever system would be possible to implement?
Sep 19 11:13:20 <funktronic> last night i had a dream that the android emulator was fast enough to use
Sep 19 11:13:24 <funktronic> Jak_o_Shadows: define "native"
Sep 19 11:13:51 <Jak_o_Shadows> Not Java, not html (See firefox phone ^)
Sep 19 11:14:04 <funktronic> so native as in c++ ?
Sep 19 11:14:31 <funktronic> the benefits outweigh the costs
Sep 19 11:14:55 <Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, which would obviously allow other languages easily. I figure iOS can do it because of the very few devices it runs on, so compiled things can be distributed
Sep 19 11:15:12 <funktronic> the APIs are all different too
Sep 19 11:15:17 <funktronic> it may make sense in certain situatoins but meh
Sep 19 11:15:31 <funktronic> if i had a significant chunk of code to run cross platform i'd use mono
Sep 19 11:16:53 <iSeeDeadPixels> urgh ><
Sep 19 11:31:45 <alexfu> how expensive is it to inflate a menu?
Sep 19 11:33:36 <alexfu> from an XML resource
Sep 19 11:34:13 <SimonVT> It's not
Sep 19 11:34:19 <cyrilmottier> alexfu: 5$
Sep 19 11:34:57 <cyrilmottier> alexfu: it's the same as inflating a layout .. i.e. you can do it in the main Thread (it takes less than 15ms)
Sep 19 11:35:22 <rigid> does anyone have a clue how to access preview frames from a MediaRecorder?
Sep 19 11:35:30 <alexfu> SimonVT, cyrilmottier, thanks
Sep 19 11:35:58 <rigid> I tried to getFrameAtTime() with MediaMetadataRetriever while recording, but I only get NULL frames :-/
Sep 19 11:36:38 <rigid> now I wonder if there could be another way without using JNI and natively decode the video that's currently written....
Sep 19 11:42:56 <aagam94> How to close the notification of my activity if it is started in another activity ??
Sep 19 11:51:31 <GuySoft> hey all, i want to open and modify a zip cwm fil (remove some images from it). if i do that, then when I try and flash it i get "installation aboarted" with no extra information. is there a way to debug it?
Sep 19 11:56:21 <alexfu> is the android:uiOptions="splitActionBarWhenNarrow" option supposed to always split the AB? even if theres 1 action item?
Sep 19 11:56:55 <SimonVT> Whether it's split depends on the screen size
Sep 19 11:56:59 <SimonVT> Not the amount of action items
Sep 19 11:57:19 <SimonVT> So yes, even if there's 1 item
Sep 19 11:57:27 <SimonVT> And no, it's not always split
Sep 19 11:57:52 <alexfu> gotcha, i misunderstood the meaning of 'narrow'.
Sep 19 11:59:05 <SimonVT> e.g. on a phone it will split when the screen is 'narrow', aka portrait
Sep 19 11:59:23 <SimonVT> it wont split in landscape.. or on tablets
Sep 19 12:11:57 <Jak_o_Shadows> Why the heck am i getting this error after plugging in a phone (not that i think thats related). ADB is in that spot, can be opened manually, and i have logged out/in. "The connection to adb is down, and a severe error has occured.", "Please ensure that adb is correctly located at 'C:\Users\jak\android-sdks\platform-tools\adb.exe' and can be executed"
Sep 19 12:14:35 <Jak_o_Shadows> righto, fixed now, didnt' do anything, weird.
Sep 19 12:37:58 <napster> view.setLayoutParams() does work perfectly on my target API (14) but not on the minSDK version (10), anyone here knows about similar issues?
Sep 19 12:48:43 <EPG> i have an activity that gets activated via an alarm. if the screen was locked/off the activity is created, resumed then directly paused and resumed again. is this normal?
Sep 19 12:49:20 <bogo10> hei guys... I've got a question regarding the registration process as developer
Sep 19 12:49:32 <bogo10> so, it only accepts credit cards from 30 or so countries
Sep 19 12:49:37 <bogo10> i'm not from one of those 30 countries
Sep 19 12:49:47 <bogo10> i asked my friend to lend me his credit card so i can use it to register
Sep 19 12:50:21 <bogo10> but ... so i don't have to send the $25 in the account ...
Sep 19 12:50:31 <bogo10> and loos a bunch of money in commisions
Sep 19 12:51:01 <bogo10> could i just use my credit card, from my country, to register for as a developer for free apps
Sep 19 12:51:19 <bogo10> and then change the credit card number on the google website and use his to post paid apps?
Sep 19 12:51:19 <bogo10> :D
Sep 19 12:51:54 <bogo10> hope i made myself clear
Sep 19 12:56:15 <bogo10> or...simpler... Can I register as a developer for free apps (pay the $25) and after a while change the credit card number and upgrade to a "paid apps account"? :)
Sep 19 13:04:12 <SimonVT> You probably need a bank account in a supported country for payouts
Sep 19 13:08:52 <bogo10> yes, i found one. But my question is ... do i need to craete another account using that credit card?
Sep 19 13:09:05 <bogo10> or can i just change the card specified in my account...to the new one
Sep 19 13:09:15 <bogo10> and that will automatically make me eligeble to post paid apps?
Sep 19 13:09:32 <bogo10> also...do i have to pay the $25 again or ... ??
Sep 19 13:09:34 <EPG> bogo10, SimonVT is right, you need a bank account, but no credit card
Sep 19 13:11:43 <SimonVT> The $25 is a one time fee per account
Sep 19 13:11:45 <EPG> the 25$ you pay go over a checkout buyer account, for selling apps you use a seller account
Sep 19 13:13:02 <EPG> the checkout user account is btw now google wallet
Sep 19 13:13:16 <Jak_o_Shadows> Hang on, widget xml updates, is this "The update period is limited, for example in 1.5 it is said to refres every 30 min even if you set a shorter period." True?
Sep 19 13:13:34 <Jak_o_Shadows> I mean, it doesn't make a difference for the end app that i'm making, but for testing it's annoying
Sep 19 13:13:40 <Snuffel> i know
Sep 19 13:14:03 <Snuffel> and it is
Sep 19 13:14:11 <Snuffel> although I am not sure it was 30 minutes
Sep 19 13:14:22 <Snuffel> but you might be right
Sep 19 13:14:22 <Jak_o_Shadows> Well, either way, that explains a lot
Sep 19 13:19:27 <bogo10> EPG: I'm talking about this link: https://play.google.com/apps/publish/signup After two "continues" it askes me to "Add a credit card to your Google Account". I'm guessing the credit card information I'll enter here, will be used to send me the money I'll make from sellin apps. Right?
Sep 19 13:19:28 <Android03> i have an android 2.3 device . i had used my gmail account with that.But now i have given that device to my friend and when he is connected to internet i got singed in because my account is still there.how can i delete that account because i tried it could not be deleted.or any other way u guys can suggest
Sep 19 13:19:43 <SimonVT> Android03: #android
Sep 19 13:20:01 <Android03> SimonVT : ok
Sep 19 13:20:41 <bogo10> SimonVT the questions is for you too if you don't mind :) hehe
Sep 19 13:20:46 <bogo10> *question
Sep 19 13:21:00 <SimonVT> I don't think anyone here knows how google detects whether to allow you to publish paid apps or not
Sep 19 13:21:10 <bogo10> oh
Sep 19 13:21:47 <bogo10> well... i was looking for an answer from yoru personal experience
Sep 19 13:22:04 <SimonVT> If you want to circumvent the restrictions, I wouldn't do anything that could imply you're from a country other than the one you're trying to give the impression of being from
Sep 19 13:22:04 <bogo10> i'm guessing you guys have already got this type of account :)
Sep 19 13:22:24 <SimonVT> My country is supported, so..
Sep 19 13:22:45 <bogo10> yeah..and which credit card (bank account) does Google use to send you the money you make from your apps?
Sep 19 13:22:50 <bogo10> the one you've entered in the above link?
Sep 19 13:22:58 <bogo10> when you first paid the $25 ?
Sep 19 13:23:06 <SimonVT> No, the one I entered when I set up my merchant account
Sep 19 13:23:47 <bogo10> uhm ... is that different from the one in the link i've specified above?
Sep 19 13:24:01 <bogo10> or you're not sure
Sep 19 13:24:10 <SimonVT> Yes it is
Sep 19 13:24:16 <bogo10> oh
Sep 19 13:25:23 <bogo10> hmm...well ok then
Sep 19 13:26:05 <SimonVT> But as I said, who knows if they'll let you sell apps if you pay using a credit card from an unsupported country
Sep 19 13:26:32 <bogo10> but i won't. I'll use one rom a supported country.
Sep 19 13:26:56 <bogo10> one more thing. I'm guessing that in the merchant account, you can change the credit card information (or bank account) where Google sends you the money
Sep 19 13:26:57 <bogo10> right?
Sep 19 13:27:15 <SimonVT> yes
Sep 19 13:27:18 <bogo10> oh, ok then
Sep 19 13:27:36 <bogo10> things seem to clear up
Sep 19 13:27:47 <bogo10> thank you Simon
Sep 19 13:27:55 <bogo10> i think tha's all i wanted to know :)
Sep 19 13:28:04 <bogo10> *guess
Sep 19 13:29:24 <adq> <SimonVT> I don't think anyone here knows how google detects whether to allow you to publish paid apps or not <- they have several ways, one of them is a like a bot who verify many checks (e.g., the one which can notify after uploading an apk that's you forgot to remove the debugmode or not well signed, only basic vital checks are made first)
Sep 19 13:29:49 <adq> then they probably crawl their own database of app with something more deep with heuristical approach
Sep 19 13:29:51 * adq only guesses
Sep 19 13:30:05 <adq> they can also review with human on specific or problematic requests
Sep 19 13:30:18 <adq> dcma is entirely automatized in the contrary
Sep 19 13:30:20 <SimonVT> I'm guessing they allow/deny before you ever get to upload an apk
Sep 19 13:31:40 <SimonVT> Some countries can only publish free apps.. Some can't publish at all.. That doesn't really have anything to do with your apk
Sep 19 13:32:05 <adq> yeah it's probably linked to the ip lol
Sep 19 13:32:09 <adq> try with a proxy
Sep 19 13:32:15 <adq> (but don't do it at home please)
Sep 19 13:32:51 <Looney> can anyone tell me some type of open source app you would like for your every day use
Sep 19 13:32:59 <Looney> should not  be a tough one
Sep 19 13:33:07 <adq> i'm wondering, talking about google play & dev console.. imagine i want to auth without using login/password in an android app to that place, do you think oauth2 will work there?
Sep 19 13:33:12 <Looney> I am interested in starting a project
Sep 19 13:33:18 <adq> i'm suprised almost no one published an application
Sep 19 13:33:33 <adq> for developers, a front-end on android to the develpper console
Sep 19 13:33:39 <SimonVT> Like andlytics?
Sep 19 13:34:03 <adq> yes, or even goog play old protocole (ex android market)
Sep 19 13:34:10 <adq> i was able to authenticate without login password
Sep 19 13:34:14 <adq> but with a auth token
Sep 19 13:34:21 <SimonVT> Andlytics does that
Sep 19 13:34:23 <adq> tbh, i never tried yet on dev console
Sep 19 13:34:35 <SimonVT> It's open source, go check how they do it
Sep 19 13:34:39 <adq> thx :))
Sep 19 13:34:59 <adq> https://github.com/AndlyticsProject/andlytics
Sep 19 13:35:25 <adq> looks like great app!
Sep 19 13:37:12 <SimonVT> It's alright
Sep 19 13:37:26 <adq> they also use authtoken, indeed
Sep 19 13:37:34 <adq> (i will never give my login/pwd :p)
Sep 19 14:09:09 <tofra> Guys, i'm trying to get something working for the last couple of days..
Sep 19 14:10:33 <tofra> My app create's a calendar, and puts events in it.. this worked fine until lately.. People are reporting that the events/calendar is disappearing from the device..
Sep 19 14:12:07 <tofra> My app didn't change, most people still use the same OS version, so I think google changed something on their side. What I've seen on the internet is that the phone is deleting data (so calendar) if it doesn't find an corresponding content provider for it..
Sep 19 14:13:01 <InanTop> Good morning, I'm having a 0xdeadbaad segfault in my native code, which seems to indicate a heap corruption... The problem is, the crash happens inconsistently (after 40+ iterations of an OnStop() / OnResume() ) cycle
Sep 19 14:13:19 <tofra> So the last couple of days I'm trying to create an account, syncadapter and contentprovider..
Sep 19 14:13:26 <InanTop> I've got a couple of stack traces, and these are fairly consistent, but they would only tell me when the corrupted heap is hit, not when it's created
Sep 19 14:13:30 <InanTop> any ideas for debugging?
Sep 19 14:14:27 <InanTop> I'm considering hooking up Paul Nettle's memory manager utility (mmgr.h/.cpp) and trying to identify the alloc/dealloc that causes abort() to be called, and compare that memory address to the allocation log generated by the utility
Sep 19 14:14:31 <tofra> I created all three of them, most of it without real code in there (so dummy), and it almost works..
Sep 19 14:14:35 <InanTop> to try to find out which objects are crashing into each other in memory
Sep 19 14:14:51 <InanTop> unfortunately that's a slow process, and I'd like a "quick" solution if anyone can find one
Sep 19 14:15:13 <tofra> Now the sync icon is continuously on the top of the statusbar. Any pointers where I should look?
Sep 19 14:18:59 <RazielZ> Ahoy mateys
Sep 19 14:21:50 <lov> InanTop: Lots and lots and lots of logs.
Sep 19 14:22:00 <RazielZ> Arr, anyone knows why me tabhost has no children? I wanna add onTouchListeners to them (so something happens when I click on one of the tabs beside the tab switching), but it doesn't seem to be workin!
Sep 19 14:22:15 <InanTop> lov: I was worried you'd say that :)
Sep 19 14:23:40 <adq> InanTop, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-ndk/jQg6DM6-D6o <- might help
Sep 19 14:23:58 <InanTop> Judging by the purple color of the link I'm skeptical :(
Sep 19 14:24:39 <adq> it's a good attitude/approach to be skeptical :)
Sep 19 14:32:00 <tofra> Does anyone have some place where there is an example of a dummy account/syncadapter?
Sep 19 14:42:43 <hoerup> j #opers Radarisapain
Sep 19 14:53:50 <Knossos> Is anyone aware how I can review errors that are generated from javascript in a WebView? Such as: E/Web Console(13653): Uncaught ReferenceError
Sep 19 14:54:14 <Knossos> They appear in logcat, but I need access to them in the App itself
Sep 19 14:56:29 <Knossos> Ah
Sep 19 14:56:39 <Knossos> onConsoleMessage. Needed to look in the ChromeClient.
Sep 19 15:22:19 <L4nce0> Hmm, so I have a custom adapter to populate a listview based on a pointer to a database cuser object. I want the onclick in the adapter class to make changes to the list elements. How can I do this? OnClick can't take said pointer
Sep 19 15:24:30 <L4nce0> The last programmer on this project somehow did it with another listview, using a method called onListItemClick, but he doesn't bind it, or reference it anywhere >.<
Sep 19 15:24:37 <sdaq> hello
Sep 19 15:24:50 <sdaq> newb android dev here
Sep 19 15:31:09 <KBZoiD> hi everyone
Sep 19 15:34:22 <edespinoza> good morning I have a question regarding the contactscontract function
Sep 19 15:34:37 <edespinoza> how could I edit absolutely all the phone numbers stored in my address book replacing them with a number in a string ?
Sep 19 15:37:17 <edespinoza> anyone alive ;(?
Sep 19 15:37:36 <Leeds> patience, young dung beetle
Sep 19 15:38:00 <edespinoza> oh thanks, like everything was so quiet
Sep 19 15:38:31 <Leeds> there are 66... aw, there *were* 666 people in here, a moment ago
Sep 19 15:39:08 <edespinoza> what a nice number..
Sep 19 15:39:47 <SimonVT> There is 666 on my screen, Leeds :o
Sep 19 15:39:55 <SimonVT> Oh
Sep 19 15:39:57 <Leeds> yeah, one more quit :)
Sep 19 15:40:08 <SimonVT> And now Sicp ruined it
Sep 19 15:40:18 <Leeds> typical
Sep 19 15:40:31 <SimonVT> This is why we can't have nice things
Sep 19 15:41:39 <Leeds> and then romainguy_ had to ruin it in reverse
Sep 19 15:54:21 <dioHere> Hello. I have a java server. And some android clients (I am building a multiplayer game). I want to send the intent that one client will create in server. The way I am doing this is by creating a new Objectoutputstream and then doing objectoutputstream.writeObject(myIntent); but I am getting the exception not serializeable, even If I have already implemented the Serializeable class. Can anybody help me?
Sep 19 15:54:21 <L4nce0> Okay..
Sep 19 15:54:47 <L4nce0> So I want to have 2  onListItemClick methods in the same class, for 2 different lists
Sep 19 15:56:52 <edespinoza> and I need help adding 1 more digit to every single phone number stored in my address book, so if anyone could help me with that would be amazing as well
Sep 19 15:57:23 <sdaq> can someone elucidate what happens when I click build in eclipse?
Sep 19 15:57:37 <SimonVT> Your app builds
Sep 19 15:57:43 <sdaq> what if I have jni code
Sep 19 15:57:49 <sdaq> does it call Android.mk?
Sep 19 15:58:04 <SimonVT> Not that I know
Sep 19 15:58:09 <sdaq> how does it know what compiler and linker to use?
Sep 19 15:58:57 <sdaq> I want to understand the whole process
Sep 19 16:00:35 <sdaq> doh, brb
Sep 19 16:02:47 <dioHere> So does anybody have an idea on how to help me pleasE?
Sep 19 16:04:19 <edespinoza> hmm which was your problem?
Sep 19 16:05:06 <dioHere> edespinoza:I have a java server. And some android clients (I am building a multiplayer game). I want to send the intent that one client will create in server. The way I am doing this is by creating a new Objectoutputstream and then doing objectoutputstream.writeObject(myIntent); but I am getting the exception not serializeable, even If I have already implemented the Serializeable class. Can anybody help me?
Sep 19 16:06:58 <Sicp> what I do
Sep 19 16:07:10 <edespinoza> maybe you need to check the way the server is recieving the intent
Sep 19 16:07:44 <edespinoza> and according to that rewrite it
Sep 19 16:08:24 <dioHere> edespinoza the error happens as soon as I do objectoutputstream.write(myIntent); through the android client. It immediately catches the not serializeable exception before sending it to the server
Sep 19 16:09:33 <edespinoza> maybe has something to do with the API version you are using
Sep 19 16:10:39 <dioHere> edespinoza i don't think so. Can you send an android intent to a java server?
Sep 19 16:11:03 <edespinoza> never tried it before
Sep 19 16:13:11 <edespinoza> anyone can help me with the ContactContracts function to add 1 more digit to every single phonenumber stored in my address book :)?
Sep 19 16:20:27 <edespinoza> stil lthere Leeds :) ?
Sep 19 16:23:30 <napster> Which is a best set of test devices for development? My current plan : [Nexus7, GalaxyNex, NexusS, MotorlaDroid]
Sep 19 16:24:21 <napster> screen densities and API versions are the criterion
Sep 19 16:24:32 <edespinoza> always test on the lamest ones, they are the ones who might actually cause a problem
Sep 19 16:24:37 <edespinoza> specially those with gingerbread
Sep 19 16:24:58 <SpeedEvil> a $100 tablet too maybe
Sep 19 16:25:02 <Leeds> edespinoza: yes?
Sep 19 16:25:24 <edespinoza> well here is the code i'm using that is only updating the home number of my contact, but I want it to update ALL the numbers of a contact
Sep 19 16:25:26 <napster> edespinoza: If I make the layouts look very decent on ldpi devices, the same layout will look bloated on xdpi ones
Sep 19 16:25:34 <edespinoza> can you check it please, and see what i'm obviously doing wrong?
Sep 19 16:25:36 <edespinoza> http://sharetext.org/Xvby
Sep 19 16:27:01 <napster> SpeedEvil: Nexus7 is there already
Sep 19 16:27:40 <SpeedEvil> nexus 7 is a polished device with lots of resources and a big screen on jellybean
Sep 19 16:27:56 <napster> SpeedEvil: ok, you suggest a low end tab
Sep 19 16:28:14 <SpeedEvil> it is very different from a gingerbread device with 1/6th the number of pixels
Sep 19 16:28:17 <napster> What devices are you using SpeedEvil ?
Sep 19 16:28:23 <napster> ok
Sep 19 16:28:45 <SpeedEvil> nexus 7, Nokia n900, Nokia n950, wopad i7
Sep 19 16:29:03 <SpeedEvil> only the end two are android of course.
Sep 19 16:29:06 <napster> SpeedEvil: ok, you seems like develop for other platforms as well
Sep 19 16:29:20 <SpeedEvil> use, not develop.
Sep 19 16:29:37 <napster> ok
Sep 19 16:29:37 <SpeedEvil> though I have written trivial programs for the nokais.
Sep 19 16:29:46 <napster> ok
Sep 19 16:30:11 <L4nce0> Okay so I have a listview that I populate with my database. I tell it to change to a new layout, it does so, but the listview is still there, and kills my new list for the new view?
Sep 19 16:30:53 <napster> SpeedEvil: Hows the last guy, Wopad
Sep 19 16:30:54 <napster> ?
Sep 19 16:31:16 <SpeedEvil> it is a good basic tablet, a couple of years old now.
Sep 19 16:31:21 <napster> ok
Sep 19 16:31:55 <Snwspeckle> Not supposed to ask here but whats the channel for VB help?
Sep 19 16:32:09 <napster> Snwspeckle: use /msg alis list
Sep 19 16:32:13 <Snwspeckle> thanks
Sep 19 16:32:24 <SpeedEvil> it is almost identical to the nexus 7, apart from half the ram, a sixth the number of pixels, an eight of the CPU power, gingerbread, ...
Sep 19 16:32:38 <SpeedEvil> oh, it has HDMI out
Sep 19 16:32:41 <L4nce0> I really need help guys
Sep 19 16:32:51 <edespinoza> we all do L4nce0 trust me x,D
Sep 19 16:33:18 <L4nce0> edespinoza, >.< yeah but I'm probably the only one showing their ap in an hour
Sep 19 16:33:24 <edespinoza> well
Sep 19 16:33:27 <napster> SpeedEvil: ok, actually I'm an independent developer, so I need to pick a decent set of test devices. I have Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus here already
Sep 19 16:33:29 <edespinoza> I have to show mine in 4 hours
Sep 19 16:33:34 <edespinoza> so yeah you are a little more screwed
Sep 19 16:34:00 <Leeds> showing it to who?
Sep 19 16:34:06 <edespinoza> but you can't call a destructor or something will changing from a layout to another one?
Sep 19 16:34:21 <edespinoza> my boss xS
Sep 19 16:34:31 <L4nce0> I just don't see why a listview propigates past setContentView. I'm showing it to my client
Sep 19 16:34:40 <napster> what is a Boss ? ;)
Sep 19 16:34:54 <edespinoza> chuck norris x,d
Sep 19 16:35:00 <lov> it's the guy that you fight at the end of a level
Sep 19 16:36:25 <edespinoza> or make a condition in the layout loading L4nce0 that if the listview is still there you kill it
Sep 19 16:39:53 <edespinoza> anyone please help me with the contacts guys
Sep 19 16:41:02 <L4nce0> edespinoza, yeah.. How'd I do that? I have a simplecursor/adapter. There isn't a clear() function for it
Sep 19 16:41:46 <L4nce0> simplecursoradaptor, group_list.getCursor().close(); perhaps?
Sep 19 16:42:36 <edespinoza> could work
Sep 19 16:43:05 <edespinoza> and then you create your new one
Sep 19 16:43:37 <L4nce0> nothing happened..
Sep 19 16:44:03 <edespinoza> the cursor is still there?
Sep 19 16:44:10 <L4nce0> http://pastebin.com/DiPuhs3X I'm just trying to kill it where I call it
Sep 19 16:45:24 <edespinoza> try with
Sep 19 16:46:46 <edespinoza>  group_list.kill();
Sep 19 16:46:50 <edespinoza>  group_list.close();
Sep 19 16:47:43 <L4nce0> edespinoza, there isn't a kill() for group_list or for it's .getcurser
Sep 19 16:48:28 <edespinoza> my life in life is always try to kill everything when doesn't want to work xD
Sep 19 16:49:03 <edespinoza> law*
Sep 19 16:49:11 <HorizonXP> guys, all i want to do is subclass GridView so that it lays out its children in a way that the rows aren't lined up
Sep 19 16:49:14 <HorizonXP> is that possible?
Sep 19 16:49:55 <Leeds> you want to make NotGridView?
Sep 19 16:50:06 <L4nce0> So you want random padding to your elements
Sep 19 16:50:13 <mrenouf> sure, there's no columns or rows in a GridView
Sep 19 16:50:34 <mrenouf> well, there's rows, but not columns
Sep 19 16:50:36 <HorizonXP> yes, i'm trying to make it Pinterest style
Sep 19 16:50:46 <HorizonXP> so equal spacing both horizontally and vertically
Sep 19 16:50:55 <mrenouf> huh
Sep 19 16:50:58 <Leeds> is that better or worse than Gangnam style?
Sep 19 16:51:06 <HorizonXP> I went down the route of 3 LinearLayout columns
Sep 19 16:51:10 <SimonVT> Nothing is better than gangnam style
Sep 19 16:51:14 <calvinchan> hi, has anyone tried hiding either previous or next button in setprevlisteners in mediaplayer?
Sep 19 16:51:14 <calvinchan> ?
Sep 19 16:51:18 <mrenouf> So that is a gridview. You just want to pad everything to a 1:1 square
Sep 19 16:51:20 <HorizonXP> that worked well visually, but due to not recycling views, it was terrible for performance
Sep 19 16:51:21 <edespinoza> indeed
Sep 19 16:51:22 <lov> is that better or worse than gangsta style
Sep 19 16:51:44 <HorizonXP> mrenouf: what do you mean?
Sep 19 16:51:59 <edespinoza> anyone knows how I can add 1 more digit to every single phone number stored in my address book :D?
Sep 19 16:52:22 <calvinchan> basically I have a set of videos to play, and if I am playing the first vieo I want to hide the previous button
Sep 19 16:52:26 <AKK9> You can export to storage or something
Sep 19 16:52:31 <calvinchan> and if I am at the last video I wanna hide the next button
Sep 19 16:52:46 * mrenouf learns of a new internet thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
Sep 19 16:52:59 <Leeds> edespinoza: could you really not have figured it out in the hours you've been repeating your question here?
Sep 19 16:53:02 <calvinchan> seems to me that setprevlisteners has to be called/not called collectively, I cannot choose to hide either one
Sep 19 16:53:13 <mrenouf> ohh, pony dance guy
Sep 19 16:53:20 <mrenouf> and now I know my meme
Sep 19 16:53:23 <edespinoza> probably around 5 times Leeds
Sep 19 16:53:37 <HorizonXP> any ideas on how I might accomplish this?
Sep 19 16:54:10 <HorizonXP> something like this image: http://www.technobaboy.com/wp-content/uploads/pinterest-android.jpg
Sep 19 16:54:11 <lov> edespinoza: consider asking on stackoverflow.
Sep 19 16:54:31 <AKK9> edes, does Android have the option to export contacts to SD carD?
Sep 19 16:54:50 <edespinoza> haven't really looked at that AKK9
Sep 19 16:54:59 <edespinoza> because what I want to do in an update to the contacts database
Sep 19 16:55:15 <AKK9> I did this to my contacts from an old Sony phone.
Sep 19 16:55:17 <edespinoza> and lov I just came from reading all their stuff lol
Sep 19 16:55:24 <edespinoza> but do they have an irc chat too :O?
Sep 19 16:55:37 <AKK9> It had /M and /H all over the plae, so I fixed it all in Excel and imported into Android.
Sep 19 16:55:39 <AKK9> And it worked.
Sep 19 16:55:52 <AKK9> But I dont' remember clearly how I did it.
Sep 19 16:56:10 <edespinoza> but you did that in just 1 call?
Sep 19 16:56:16 <edespinoza> or you did everything manually?
Sep 19 16:56:28 <AKK9> Used VBA.
Sep 19 16:56:43 <edespinoza> because i'm planning to make an app that will work on all androids that will add 1 digit to every single phone number in the phone
Sep 19 16:56:44 <HorizonXP> no one has any ideas for me?
Sep 19 16:56:44 <AKK9> Coded a loop and substitute all "/H" and "/M" with empty string.
Sep 19 16:57:00 <AKK9> Oh, I'm not good at Java. :/
Sep 19 16:57:13 <AKK9> But the logic doesn't sound to difficult.
Sep 19 16:57:14 <edespinoza> me neither
Sep 19 16:57:18 <edespinoza> xD
Sep 19 16:57:20 <Leeds> edespinoza: for the love of jebus, why?
Sep 19 16:57:30 <AKK9> Also, yes, why?
Sep 19 16:57:35 <edespinoza> because in my country a new telecomunications regulation is comming
Sep 19 16:57:44 <edespinoza> and 1 more digit is going to be added to every single cellphone number
Sep 19 16:57:51 <AKK9> Haha, winninf.
Sep 19 16:57:57 <AKK9> Where do you live?
Sep 19 16:58:00 <edespinoza> Ecuador
Sep 19 16:58:29 <AKK9> That's really annoying. :/
Sep 19 16:58:36 <edespinoza> I know right
Sep 19 16:58:40 <AKK9> Why do they have to change it?
Sep 19 16:58:54 <edespinoza> because we are like 15 million of ecuadorians
Sep 19 16:59:05 <edespinoza> and in the past they didn't had as many cellphones as they have now
Sep 19 16:59:10 <edespinoza> and that involves more lines
Sep 19 16:59:18 <edespinoza> and finally we have run out of lines
Sep 19 16:59:25 <edespinoza> and they want to add more, but to do that
Sep 19 16:59:30 <edespinoza> they need 1 more digit to make more combinations
Sep 19 16:59:57 <edespinoza> so the old numbers will get 1 more digit in order to keep working
Sep 19 17:00:32 <edespinoza> that's why we want to make an app that will fix that small problem of lazyness to add 1 more number to every single phone number in our addres book
Sep 19 17:00:45 <AKK9> I could be wrong, but for someone experienced with Android dev, I think it could be quite easy for them.
Sep 19 17:00:51 <Leeds> so every single person in the country needs to edit every single saved number, everywhere?
Sep 19 17:00:52 <AKK9> Maybe pay or ask someone else to make an app for oyu?
Sep 19 17:01:05 <edespinoza> yes Leeds
Sep 19 17:01:14 <Leeds> that's insane
Sep 19 17:01:16 <edespinoza> i'm bankrupted AKK9 =,(
Sep 19 17:01:18 <edespinoza> xD
Sep 19 17:01:40 <AKK9> The whole thing just sounds like a mess. :(
Sep 19 17:01:49 <lov> edespinoza: use stackoverflow. The idea is that you ask a question, and then people answer it (eventually)!
Sep 19 17:01:53 <edespinoza> the thing is that android uses a different database system to store phone numbers
Sep 19 17:01:59 <lov> edespinoza: right.
Sep 19 17:01:59 <edespinoza> that the normal lovely SQL
Sep 19 17:02:03 <lov> You don't want to actually use databases.
Sep 19 17:02:04 <lov> period.
Sep 19 17:02:06 <lov> You want to use content providers
Sep 19 17:02:18 <lov> the actual backing of the phone numbers is irrelevant and may not even be a database.
Sep 19 17:02:22 <lov> Use the content provider interfaces
Sep 19 17:02:27 <jshanab> I am trying to draw 10 fps video using GlSurfaceView. I cannot get RENDER_WHEN_DIRTY mode to work at all. If I call renderRequest every time onDrawFrame gets called it will display, but that is too fast, I do not have updated data so it ends up swaping buffers with old data and flickering. If I call renderRequest() only when I have an update, it stops calling onDrawFrame after a few non-draw...
Sep 19 17:02:29 <jshanab> ...frames. Is this just broken or am I missing some setting?
Sep 19 17:02:29 <edespinoza> i'm using them
Sep 19 17:02:38 <edespinoza> I manage to edit 1 number of the contact
Sep 19 17:02:45 <edespinoza> however if the contact have more than 2 numbers
Sep 19 17:02:51 <edespinoza> that's when i'm screwed
Sep 19 17:03:07 <lov> uh....
Sep 19 17:03:11 <edespinoza> because can't find like a global type variable that will take every single phone
Sep 19 17:03:19 <edespinoza> instead of just the "home phone"
Sep 19 17:03:35 <lov> ...
Sep 19 17:03:42 <edespinoza> brb
Sep 19 17:04:41 <lov> edespinoza: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/ContactsContract.CommonDataKinds.Phone.html
Sep 19 17:10:16 <sdaq> in eclipse, if you go to project > properties then C/C++ Build, if you select the Android Configuration, the build command is ${MAKE_CMD}
Sep 19 17:10:25 <sdaq> how does it know what ${MAKE_CMD} is?
Sep 19 17:10:35 <adq> it's an environment variable
Sep 19 17:10:39 <adq> declared somewhere else
Sep 19 17:10:43 <sdaq> oh
Sep 19 17:11:07 <adq> ask someone else for knowing where, cause i have no clue :p
Sep 19 17:11:29 <sdaq> yeah, it is not in my user or system env variables in win7
Sep 19 17:11:37 <sdaq> I want to know where it gets set
Sep 19 17:11:44 <sdaq> adq: thx anyways
Sep 19 17:11:56 <adq> i think it's somewhere in eclipse folder, if it is not in your system env var
Sep 19 17:12:08 <EPG> i want to register an alarm and on alarm time either launch an activity or post a notification. should i use a service or a broadcastreceiver for receiving the alarm and launching the activity/notification?
Sep 19 17:19:06 <Daani> Hi, I am trying to call a simple webservice on my local network using ksoap but somehow I do not get any errors while debugging and it is not working. I am running the networking from a different thread than the GUI, http://pastebin.com/LjP3Yi9S could someone familiar with this give me some clues what might be wrong?
Sep 19 17:22:01 <TheTrash> Is.. not... working?
Sep 19 17:22:26 <Leeds> TheTrash: yeah, can't you remotely debug from that detailed report?
Sep 19 17:23:02 <TheTrash> My initial assesment is that your code is on strike.
Sep 19 17:23:22 <TheTrash> Assessment.. asses have nothing to do with this.
Sep 19 17:23:24 <Daani> TheTrash: sorry, that is not saying much. Thing is, the app is not crashing or anything. I can press the button thousands of times but nothin happens, I am trying to debug but I can't sort it out
Sep 19 17:24:07 <TheTrash> Daani: are you looking at logcat?
Sep 19 17:24:36 <TheTrash> Also, did you really press that button a thousand times?
Sep 19 17:25:03 <Leeds> maybe the monkey did?
Sep 19 17:25:13 * Leeds is scared of the monkey
Sep 19 17:25:28 <Daani> TheTrash: yeah I have tried going through the logcat, can't really find anything but I am surely new to this environment.
Sep 19 17:25:49 <Daani> TheTrash: nah ;) but more than 200 times at least..
Sep 19 17:25:51 <TheTrash> Best pastebin a good chunk of it, then.
Sep 19 17:26:11 <Daani> pastebin a chunk of the logcat?
Sep 19 17:26:17 <TheTrash> Yes
Sep 19 17:29:40 <Daani> http://pastebin.com/taUHqpQR
Sep 19 17:30:14 <Daani> is there somehow a parser for a logcat chunk like this?
Sep 19 17:30:51 <L4nce0> Why is the emulator so horrible? I hate working for 10 hours, have it just right, and OH SORRY Half the stuff isn't there or where you put it
Sep 19 17:31:52 <calvinchan> Hi, does anyone know what may cause a public Button to be NOT visible?
Sep 19 17:32:03 <calvinchan> I try to call a button from another class
Sep 19 17:32:10 <calvinchan> contrustcutor of that class has been amde
Sep 19 17:32:15 <TheTrash> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6173985/filter-output-in-logcat-by-tagname
Sep 19 17:32:49 <calvinchan> I declared the button in the other class as "public button bt1"
Sep 19 17:33:21 <TheTrash> Daani: since you're debugging anyhow, try putting a breakpoint before returning the result from your webservice to see what returnresult is, and if it's unexpected, move up until you find the culprit.
Sep 19 17:33:48 <edespinoza> guys
Sep 19 17:33:58 <edespinoza> who in here is good with sencha touch 2?
Sep 19 17:34:04 <calvinchan> but java is still complaining that "The field bt1 is not visible"
Sep 19 17:34:08 <TheTrash> The funny answer is "no one".
Sep 19 17:34:19 <mrenouf> sencha touch?
Sep 19 17:34:21 <Daani> TheTrash: will do, thank you
Sep 19 17:34:26 <calvinchan> the other variables in the same class are public
Sep 19 17:34:43 <edespinoza> yup, need to call an inapppurchase from sencha
Sep 19 17:34:46 <calvinchan> such as int, long, even textview, and they can all be accessed in my main class
Sep 19 17:35:01 <calvinchan> just the buttons that I declare public cannot be accessed?
Sep 19 17:35:21 <TheTrash> calvinchan: dunno, most often that happens to me if I forget to save.
Sep 19 17:35:34 <edespinoza> now something about it mrenouf ?
Sep 19 17:35:51 <edespinoza> know*
Sep 19 17:35:54 <calvinchan> TheTrash: do you think the type Button is different from other types in this case?
Sep 19 17:36:01 <TheTrash> calvinchan: nope
Sep 19 17:36:03 <calvinchan> I suspect it has something to do with the type Button itself
Sep 19 17:36:20 <Daani> TheTrash: when I run the emulator, I got this error: http://pastebin.com/zLUmExX3
Sep 19 17:37:19 <TheTrash> Daani: well, only the UI thread can update and access the UI, since you're using a separate thread, you have to use a different mechanism to get your changes back to the UI.
Sep 19 17:37:27 <TheTrash> Commonly used are Loaders and AsyncTask
Sep 19 17:37:52 <mrenouf> edespinoza, never heard of it
Sep 19 17:37:53 <TheTrash> Though you could use a handler as well, or simply post a runnable to runOnUiThread() (but the latter is sort of a hack).
Sep 19 17:39:03 <Daani> TheTrash: ah, so the way I am trying to do it now is completely wrong?
Sep 19 17:39:13 <TheTrash> Yes
Sep 19 17:39:48 <TheTrash> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/processes-and-threads.html#Threads
Sep 19 17:42:35 <evident> When I add a repeating background drawable on an EditText, how can I have the background scroll with the EditText when there is much text (like lines on a paper behind the app that need to move when scrolling)?
Sep 19 17:42:40 <PeteS> is it possible to hide just the Action Bar Tab Bar without changing the navigation mode? Changing the navigation mode means that I can't silently change tabs while hidden, which is leading to some really ugly design patterns in my app
Sep 19 18:03:00 <JakeWharton> no
Sep 19 18:06:13 <Emil_> hello. trying to get user the android color textColorHintInverse, but I can't because it's not a public attribute. any way to get to this?
Sep 19 18:06:41 <mrenouf> since when is runOnUiThread "kind of a hack" ??
Sep 19 18:09:15 <saik0> Is it possible to use boht dropdown and tab navigation in the same action bar?
Sep 19 18:09:44 <mrenouf> saik0, wouldn't that be terribly confusing?
Sep 19 18:10:15 <Flashpass> Anyone by chance have the issue where NDK-STACK gives the error "Unable to locate routine information for address XXXXX in module", but addr2line functions properly?
Sep 19 18:10:40 <saik0> mrenouf: in this instance, no.
Sep 19 18:15:32 <tnzr> for some reason my Activity isn't letting one of it's Fragment's onActivityResult() run.. I hae super.onActivityResult() being called in the Activity's onActivityResult() and that's it...
Sep 19 18:15:35 <tnzr> am I missing something?
Sep 19 18:16:21 <calvinchan> does anyone know how I can reference to a button in other class?
Sep 19 18:17:02 <calvinchan> I can call the button in my main class, and I want to set the button to be invisible when an IF condition has been satisfied
Sep 19 18:17:37 <calvinchan> so I have button.setVisibility(View.GONE); called in my main class, and the app crashes on me
Sep 19 18:18:13 <calvinchan> I suspect I need to findviewByID first? but I am referencing this button from another class
Sep 19 18:19:26 <saik0> mrenouf: my app is a client for a download manager. the spinner would switch between hosts and the tabs will show different top level navigation regions.
Sep 19 18:20:58 <calvinchan> do I need to do (Button) findViewByID again in my main class?
Sep 19 18:21:22 <calvinchan> I dunno where and what I am missing, or I cannot call a button from another class like that....
Sep 19 18:21:39 <SuD> calvinchan: what does the logcat say? null pointer? security something?
Sep 19 18:21:40 <napster> calvinchan: check the logcat and find what is the exception
Sep 19 18:21:41 <canvs2321> calvinchan:how r u referencing the button? u should try to paste relevant code to a paste site
Sep 19 18:21:56 <calvinchan> nullpointerexception
Sep 19 18:22:04 <calvinchan> lemme pastebin
Sep 19 18:22:12 <Snuffel> those  are the easiest
Sep 19 18:22:37 <lov> $5 on "called findViewById in member declaration instead of onCreate"
Sep 19 18:23:01 <calvinchan> SuD napster canvs2321: actually what I am trying to do is to hide the previous or next button in setprevnextlisteners()
Sep 19 18:23:09 <calvinchan> in my mediaplayer
Sep 19 18:23:53 <calvinchan> I have a set of videos, if I am playing the first video on the list, I hide the previous button, if I am on the last video, I hide the next button
Sep 19 18:24:30 <calvinchan> so I figured that if I can hide the button before I call setprevlisteners() in my main class
Sep 19 18:29:03 <calvinchan> canvs2321:http://pastebin.com/WU24uuU6
Sep 19 18:34:34 <calvinchan> lov: ??
Sep 19 18:36:20 <saik0> calvinchan: where is myPrevButton defined?
Sep 19 18:36:38 <calvinchan> in media controller class
Sep 19 18:37:21 <calvinchan> saik0: I have a separate media controller class that layouts the buttons and also enable my setprevlisteners()
Sep 19 18:38:17 <lov> calvinchan: this pastebin is totally useless to me
Sep 19 18:38:26 <lov> calvinchan: http://imgur.com/jacoj
Sep 19 18:38:46 <calvinchan> lol......
Sep 19 18:46:13 <mots> hey
Sep 19 18:46:33 <calvinchan> lov: any suggestion how I can implement the logic of hiding only one button at a time?
Sep 19 18:46:46 <mots> I'm offering my users a way to easily join the contacts synced by my app with other contacts
Sep 19 18:46:51 <mots> I'm using this code: http://pastie.org/private/vt777puiguzjatkhkfczw
Sep 19 18:46:58 <mots> this works fine, except on touchwiz devices
Sep 19 18:47:05 <mots> where it fails with this stack trace:
Sep 19 18:47:31 <lov> mots: good luck with THAT.
Sep 19 18:47:33 <mots> http://pastie.org/private/lbirue1dwblj5ejrlhmiq
Sep 19 18:47:44 <mots> lov: why? ;P
Sep 19 18:48:18 <lov> touchwiz :>
Sep 19 18:48:39 <lov> com.android.contacts
Sep 19 18:48:41 <mots> so are there a) ways to detect a touchwiz device so I can fall back to the less intuitive "PICK_CONTACT" or b) ways to fix it on touchwiz (prefered)
Sep 19 18:48:44 <lov> that's not your packagename, is it?
Sep 19 18:48:54 <lov> you should generally not use com.android in your packagename.
Sep 19 18:48:55 <mots> lov: nope, that's the contacts app crashing
Sep 19 18:48:57 <lov> ok
Sep 19 18:49:13 <lov> yeah, send a crash report to samsung so that they can spit at you and ignore you forever.
Sep 19 18:49:33 <mots> lov: I did that with htc already, can't be bothered to do the same with samsung
Sep 19 18:49:36 <mots> their response was fun
Sep 19 18:49:44 <mots> "we don't offer dev support at htcdev.com"
Sep 19 18:49:48 <lov> haha
Sep 19 18:50:33 <mots> so is there any way to detect touchwiz?
Sep 19 18:50:51 <Ravenheart> if samsung = wouchwiz
Sep 19 18:51:02 <lov> basically
Sep 19 18:51:06 <mots> Ravenheart: so how do I do this in code?
Sep 19 18:51:06 <lov> all samsung devices use touchwiz
Sep 19 18:51:11 <lov> look at the Build class
Sep 19 18:51:14 <SimonVT> Even the gnexus
Sep 19 18:51:16 <lov> you'll have to see who the manufacturer is
Sep 19 18:51:16 <SimonVT> wait
Sep 19 18:51:17 <mots> also, most of my users are galaxy nexus users
Sep 19 18:51:18 <mots> so
Sep 19 18:51:23 <lov> SimonVT: well....
Sep 19 18:51:25 <mots> which has proper android
Sep 19 18:51:29 <lov> exclude nexus users.
Sep 19 18:51:46 <f2prateek> use the package manager to query the touchwiz package?
Sep 19 18:52:13 <mots> f2prateek: that sounds like a better approach, yeah
Sep 19 18:52:17 <mrenouf> gGnex does NOT use touchwiz :-P
Sep 19 18:54:13 <mots> f2prateek: I don't have much experience with the packagemanager, do I just check if getPackageInfo throws an exception or are there better ways?
Sep 19 18:58:14 <f2prateek> mots: the idea is you find the touchwiz package name, use package manager to check if taht is installed,it it returns  alist of size 0, it means touchwiz is not on the device
Sep 19 18:58:32 <f2prateek> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/PackageManager.html
Sep 19 18:59:00 <mots> f2prateek: right
Sep 19 18:59:14 <mots> but is there a better way than http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/PackageManager.html#getPackageInfo(java.lang.String, int) and catching the exception?
Sep 19 18:59:19 <tophyr> that's definitely what i would do. simply checking if device == samsung you'd be boning nexus users (as mentioned) as well as anyone who's put a non-TW-custom rom on their device
Sep 19 19:00:02 <mots> tophyr: yeah, most of my users (43%) are galaxy nexus users
Sep 19 19:00:19 <mots> so I don't want them to suffer from samsungs mistakes ;P
Sep 19 19:00:34 <f2prateek> mots: i believe the exception is for when you actually trigger an intent and there isnt an app to handle it
Sep 19 19:01:11 <f2prateek> like seay you trigger Intent.ACTION_GET_CONTENT for a file, but there is no file manager isntalled, thats when the exception is triggered
Sep 19 19:01:45 <mots> it does say "Throws PackageManager.NameNotFoundException if a package with the given name can not be found on the system.", though
Sep 19 19:02:05 <f2prateek> you're just querying for available packages, so if there isnt any, it would just give a list of size 0
Sep 19 19:02:05 <mots> does anyone know the packagename of touchwiz, by any chance?
Sep 19 19:02:48 <f2prateek> mots: yeah thats when you do startactivyt(intent), but no package can handle the intent
Sep 19 19:06:40 <tophyr> there are many package names
Sep 19 19:06:44 <tophyr> lemme see if i can find the contacts one
Sep 19 19:07:23 <mots> tophyr: isn't there like a "core" touchwiz package?
Sep 19 19:07:37 <tophyr> not that i remember
Sep 19 19:07:39 <mots> querying that would probably be the most reliable way of detecting touchwiz
Sep 19 19:08:33 <tophyr> everything's all diff apps, remember - Launcher is what we always picture as "core", but Contacts, Browser, Phone, et al are all independent apps
Sep 19 19:10:24 <tophyr> bluh, my TW device is massively discharged. will take a few mins to get it to a point it'll boot and connect to adb
Sep 19 19:16:20 <mots> tophyr: take your time, thanks for helping!
Sep 19 19:27:19 <tophyr> hm, whatever the touchwiz stuff is called, it doesn't appear to be showing up as such on the device i've got - have various packages related to samsung but nothing with touchwiz in the name
Sep 19 19:27:28 <tophyr> could try com.sec.android.app.samsungapps
Sep 19 19:27:39 <tophyr> ill paste a gist
Sep 19 19:28:01 <lov> tophyr: touchwiz isn't an app.
Sep 19 19:28:08 <tophyr> https://gist.github.com/3751695
Sep 19 19:28:08 <lov> samsung actually heavily modifies the frameworks on the device
Sep 19 19:28:19 <lov> they also have custom launcher code, custom contacts code, etc.
Sep 19 19:28:23 <tophyr> lov: right, i was assuming there'd be com.samsung.touchwiz.contacts or etc
Sep 19 19:28:39 <lov> tophyr: adb shell ps | grep samsung
Sep 19 19:28:42 <lov> actually
Sep 19 19:28:46 <lov> adb shell ps | grep com.sec
Sep 19 19:28:56 <tophyr> or see the gist i posted ;)
Sep 19 19:29:00 <EPG> ive a broadcastreceiver class which receives broadcasts send via alarm_service. the alarms are set in another activity. which intent filter do i need to receive these broadcasts in another activity?
Sep 19 19:32:25 <mots> well, I guess com.sec.android.app.twlauncher should be on all touchwiz devices...
Sep 19 19:32:48 <tophyr> oh, yeah, that'd probably be a good one
Sep 19 19:34:50 <boo1> Hi everyone, why could new Socket(HOST, PORT) crash app?
Sep 19 19:34:59 <boo1> permissions are ok
Sep 19 19:35:15 <lov> stacktrace or gtfo
Sep 19 19:35:21 <tophyr> ty lov
Sep 19 19:35:50 <SimonVT> I got $10 bucks on networkonmainthreadexception
Sep 19 19:35:59 <lov> no bet
Sep 19 19:38:15 <boo1> http://pastebin.com/gPZBfEdr
Sep 19 19:38:30 <SimonVT> lov, you owe me $10
Sep 19 19:38:38 <tophyr> bingo
Sep 19 19:39:29 <lov> I said no bet >:(
Sep 19 19:39:46 <mots> tophyr: thanks for the package names, I just sent out a new apk to a tester
Sep 19 19:39:49 <mots> now we wait...
Sep 19 19:39:59 <boo1> ok, I get it
Sep 19 19:40:22 <tophyr> np
Sep 19 19:40:25 <lov> glad we can help.
Sep 19 19:46:08 <Snwspeckle> Hey why cant my computer find my Galaxy Nexus even though I installed the drivers...
Sep 19 19:46:13 <Snwspeckle> God this phone is utter shit
Sep 19 19:46:37 <tophyr> mm, the phone's pretty badass
Sep 19 19:46:54 <Snwspeckle> I hate it
Sep 19 19:47:07 <Snwspeckle> My Wifi wont get an IP address and it burns battery in about 3 hours
Sep 19 19:47:11 <Snwspeckle> just sitting in my pocket
Sep 19 19:52:09 <Daani> is it possible to have one AsyncTask for multiple buttons each one sending a different message to a webservice? I have got it working for one button now triggering the AsyncTask
Sep 19 19:52:29 <Daani> somehow I need to trigger it from different buttons
Sep 19 19:57:23 <gutano> Daani, use a different OnClickListener, or conditional code within the listener to check which "view" it was invoked from...
Sep 19 19:58:47 <L4nce0> I hate clients >.< I had a 3 month period to work on this ap, but he waits until the week before my last semester to give me the goahead. He tried to fierme today. Thank God I finished all but 1 thing last night!
Sep 19 20:01:06 <Emil_> hello. i'm trying to port a language to android using the ndk. does ndk provide facilities for gc memory allocation?
Sep 19 20:01:35 <p_l|backup> Emil_: NDK doesn't provide GC
Sep 19 20:01:55 <p_l|backup> it provides a basic posix-like (but not fully posix) environment
Sep 19 20:05:07 <Emil_> and no interface to the dalvik sandbox whatsoever?
Sep 19 20:05:49 <p_l|backup> Emil_: the sandboxing is done on process level. You get JNI access to the dalvik environment, but that's it
Sep 19 20:06:09 <p_l|backup> You can alternatively port your language to run on JVM and then pack it for android
Sep 19 20:06:13 <Emil_> so even jni objects in ndk are not collected?
Sep 19 20:06:58 <p_l|backup> Emil_: NDK basically gives you a set of native libs, and a way to provide your own shared libraries
Sep 19 20:07:15 <p_l|backup> however, you can port some quite hard things with it, look at MonoDroid
Sep 19 20:07:21 <Emil_> alright. thanks :)
Sep 19 20:14:02 <Snwspeckle> How can I get the data from dynamically created EditText widgets on a button click?
Sep 19 20:15:19 <RazielZ> .getText() under the onClickListener for the button?
Sep 19 20:16:31 <g00s> hah, these HTC WP8 phones look exactly like lumias
Sep 19 20:17:14 <PeteS> based on initial Googling  it seems like the FragmentManager back stack cannot be cleared. anyone know if there's any way around this?
Sep 19 20:17:45 <RazielZ> Waaait, widgets...\
Sep 19 20:18:24 <SimonVT> PeteS: Look into popBackStack and POP_BACK_STACK_INCLUSIVE
Sep 19 20:18:59 <PeteS> SimonVT: popBackStack appears to reverse the fragment transaction, i.e. as though I hit the back button. I need to instantaneously erase the back stack without changing my current fragment
Sep 19 20:19:15 <Snwspeckle> RazielZ: Want to see my code because its a little weird
Sep 19 20:19:15 <SimonVT> No can do
Sep 19 20:19:30 <Snwspeckle> The EditText forms are created dynamically so they dont have a static ID
Sep 19 20:19:35 <SimonVT> You can pop the back stack and readd your current fragment
Sep 19 20:19:45 <RazielZ> Don't you store them... somewhere?
Sep 19 20:19:50 <RazielZ> An arraylist, for example?
Sep 19 20:20:29 <Snwspeckle> Well what I plan to do is when you hit submit, it will go through each form field and do a calculation with their data and insert it into ana rray
Sep 19 20:21:00 <RazielZ> So wait, are they actually widgets? Like, the ones that you put on your home screens?
Sep 19 20:21:06 <Snwspeckle> Oh no
Sep 19 20:21:07 <RazielZ> Or are they EditText views?
Sep 19 20:21:17 <Snwspeckle> I mean those
Sep 19 20:21:18 <Snwspeckle> sorry
Sep 19 20:21:27 <RazielZ> Well then, how are you creating them dynamically?
Sep 19 20:21:36 <RazielZ> Cause if they're in pure code they have to be stored in something
Sep 19 20:22:00 <Snwspeckle> I believe position
Sep 19 20:22:15 <RazielZ> Uh
Sep 19 20:22:19 <RazielZ> Just paste the code somewhere and link it
Sep 19 20:22:21 <RazielZ> XD
Sep 19 20:23:09 <Flashpass> Anyone by chance have the issue where NDK-STACK gives the error "Unable to locate routine information for address XXXXX in module", but addr2line functions properly?
Sep 19 20:23:38 <Snwspeckle> https://gist.github.com/04672d98c10562ba84ce
Sep 19 20:26:09 <RazielZ> ...what is that even
Sep 19 20:26:26 <Snwspeckle> Thats my code that makes the forms dynamically
Sep 19 20:26:41 <RazielZ> Where is getView even called?
Sep 19 20:26:59 <Snwspeckle> Line 47 is where the button method is
Sep 19 20:27:10 <Snwspeckle> getView line 90
Sep 19 20:27:12 <RazielZ> I can see that
Sep 19 20:27:26 <RazielZ> But I can't see anything actually using getView
Sep 19 20:28:03 <Snwspeckle> Thats where I am a little confused, I need to loop through the dynamic listview and grab the data from the edittext view each time
Sep 19 20:28:18 <Snwspeckle> holder.caption = (EditText) convertView .findViewById(R.id.ItemCaption); -- thats the EditText view
Sep 19 20:28:31 <SimonVT> Listview reuses views
Sep 19 20:28:41 <SimonVT> If the position is not visible, it doesn't have a view
Sep 19 20:28:57 <SimonVT> And any views that were previously at that position might currently be visible at another position
Sep 19 20:29:06 <Snwspeckle> So how do I go about this then?
Sep 19 20:29:12 <SimonVT> So you don't need to grab the data from the edittext
Sep 19 20:29:22 <SimonVT> You need to save the data entered into the edittext as the user types
Sep 19 20:29:27 <SimonVT> Then grab that data
Sep 19 20:29:32 <Snwspeckle> How do I do that
Sep 19 20:29:43 <SimonVT> There are probably some listeners you can attach
Sep 19 20:29:51 <SimonVT> Look at the edittext/textview docs
Sep 19 20:40:07 <Snwspeckle> SimonVT: Should I store the values into an array then?
Sep 19 20:40:19 <SimonVT> sure
Sep 19 21:00:18 <tophyr> anybody ever used the ADB_TRACE env var?
Sep 19 21:08:15 <LuxuryMode> Anyone here use intellij? I'm having trouble setting up support v7's gridlayout as a library project because intellij won't let me create the module since the source directories are empty
Sep 19 21:08:53 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton?
Sep 19 21:13:00 <gutano> I doubt that is why intellij is "not letting you create modules"
Sep 19 21:14:40 <SimonVT> So put a random java file in src
Sep 19 21:15:38 <JakeWharton> LuxuryMode?
Sep 19 21:15:47 <gutano> are you intending to do this as an apklib (android) lib or a jar type lib?
Sep 19 21:16:01 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton, was having trouble using v7 gridlayout
Sep 19 21:16:40 <LuxuryMode> but I'm not even clear on whether the v7 gridlayout project is intended to be used as a library project, or if i can simply grab the jar and add declare the styleables
Sep 19 21:17:41 <SimonVT> It's a library project.. But like with any library project, you can copy it to your own project
Sep 19 21:17:59 <JakeWharton> actually you can't
Sep 19 21:18:14 <JakeWharton> the .jar that they include has hard coded references to an R.java file that can only be generated if you're using their manifest
Sep 19 21:18:18 <bubbleguuum> anyone knowns where java.* classes are located in https://github.com/android ?
Sep 19 21:18:27 <SimonVT> oh right
Sep 19 21:18:28 <JakeWharton> bubbleguuum: libcore
Sep 19 21:19:28 <bubbleguuum> JakeWharton: in which subproject is libcore, cannot find it ?
Sep 19 21:20:03 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton, so any ideas how i can create a module from existing sources for this project? When I try, intellij complains that there are no source files and dropping a random jar in there doesn't work actually
Sep 19 21:20:28 <JakeWharton> I would just add Dummy.java in src/ with no package and class Dummy{} as its contents then
Sep 19 21:22:08 <EPG> when i call setChecked on a ToggleButton, is it guaranteed that an registered OnCheckedChangedListeners will be executed or only if the state was actually changed?
Sep 19 21:22:36 <LuxuryMode> hmm ok thanks JakeWharton
Sep 19 21:22:46 <JakeWharton> not sure what else to tell you, sorry
Sep 19 21:23:41 <gutano> I'm surprised it's not more popular, but the maven-android-plugin handles these issues quite gracefully (and m2e-android is advancing very quickly as well)
Sep 19 21:24:00 <SimonVT> EPG: It's kinda in the name, isn't it
Sep 19 21:24:31 <gutano> props to rgladwell
Sep 19 21:24:40 <EPG> yeah, but i have some strange results I'm not yet sure of the reson
Sep 19 21:24:43 <EPG> *reason
Sep 19 21:25:01 <bubbleguuum> anyone ever heard of  java.io.File.getCanonicalPath() possibly giving ANR getting stuck in some native function, on pre-ICS ?
Sep 19 21:25:51 <LuxuryMode> Dang it, still can't get this to work. Can't seem to trick IntelliJ into thinking there's source...
Sep 19 21:27:12 <JakeWharton> bubbleguuum: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore2 is the git repo
Sep 19 21:27:21 <JakeWharton> not sure if it's mirrored on the unofficial GitHub
Sep 19 21:27:28 <bubbleguuum> yup found it but was loking for older source
Sep 19 21:38:28 <Jug6ernaut> anyone know of a program/service i can use to sync folder between two computers in real time
Sep 19 21:39:27 <g00s> Jug6ernaut: if its for your app, you can use the dropbox api … i guess you mean android right ?
Sep 19 21:39:46 <Jug6ernaut> g00s naa desktop/windows
Sep 19 21:40:04 <g00s> dropbox, aerofs
Sep 19 21:40:13 <Jug6ernaut> i wanna sync my project folders in real time (over internet) of my laptop to desktop
Sep 19 21:40:43 <mrenouf> "real time"
Sep 19 21:40:52 <lethjakm_> Google Drive works ok, but you need to clean the project out every time
Sep 19 21:40:55 <mrenouf> why not just run an rsync every N minutes
Sep 19 21:41:11 <lethjakm_> and eclipse projects can only be held by one instance of eclipse at a time
Sep 19 21:41:17 <Jug6ernaut> mrenouf polling is lame ;)
Sep 19 21:41:43 <mrenouf> sending a packet every time you hit save is wasteful
Sep 19 21:42:16 <Jug6ernaut> maybe
Sep 19 21:42:34 <mrenouf> use git, and sync... push when you're done, pull when you move to another system
Sep 19 21:42:55 <mrenouf> make a "work in progress" branch, commit as frequently as you'd like
Sep 19 21:43:17 <mrenouf> now you have backups, and history
Sep 19 21:43:25 <Jug6ernaut> true
Sep 19 21:43:53 <Jug6ernaut> i wonder if i could setup a script to do a commit when my laptop goes to sleep/off ect
Sep 19 21:44:19 <SimonVT> I use dropbox.. works fine
Sep 19 21:45:13 <bankai_> or leave it on one machine and use VNC ;)
Sep 19 21:45:59 <Jug6ernaut> SimonVT manually copy or project in dropbox folder?
Sep 19 21:46:04 <EPG> i had no problems with dropbox but there's also e.g. owncloud
Sep 19 21:46:10 <SimonVT> Project in dropbox
Sep 19 21:46:23 <Jug6ernaut> ic
Sep 19 21:49:05 <SimonVT> Don't want to do too much work just to work on several computers
Sep 19 21:52:38 <Jojomofoman> evening
Sep 19 21:58:15 <asanchez1987> Hi. I'm newbie to android dev. I've installed eclipse with the ADT plugin. Trying to edit a simple HelloWorld app, I've added a simple Button with the graphical view. Once added, I've right-clicked the button and added the property onClick and entered the method name "convert". Then eclipse should have automatically added a "convert" method inside the MainActivity.java, but I don't see it. Do you know what happened? Thanks
Sep 19 22:02:35 <Bryden> Do you sure that Eclipse is actually supposed to add the method?
Sep 19 22:04:39 <asanchez1987> I thought so
Sep 19 22:04:58 <f2prateek> asanchez1987: i don't think it does, you have to type out the method yourself
Sep 19 22:05:42 <asanchez1987> okay
Sep 19 22:05:44 <asanchez1987> thank you
Sep 19 22:06:13 <asanchez1987> I thought it automatically added an empty method declaration: public void mymethod () {}
Sep 19 22:07:00 <doogan> don't forget the View parameter - public void convert(View v) { ...
Sep 19 22:07:40 <asanchez1987> okay
Sep 19 22:07:42 <asanchez1987> thanks guys
Sep 19 22:07:44 <asanchez1987> :)
Sep 19 22:12:13 <f2prateek> somebody familar with mapview? all i'm doing is trying to center the map at my current location http://pastebin.com/JVV9bs18. I'm in canada but it centers to somewhere just west of africa
Sep 19 22:12:34 <Bryden> Swap your coords?
Sep 19 22:14:53 <f2prateek> geopoint(lat,long). thats how it it is now. https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/reference/com/google/android/maps/GeoPoint#GeoPoint(int, int)
Sep 19 22:15:21 <Bryden> Swap your coords and see what the result is.
Sep 19 22:15:33 <edespinoza> someone knows how can I edit all the numbers in my address book all at once?
Sep 19 22:16:38 <f2prateek> Bryden: didnt work, i htink the issue is the thing with IE6
Sep 19 22:16:46 <f2prateek> *1E6
Sep 19 22:19:07 <f2prateek> yeah thats what it was
Sep 19 22:19:16 <mrenouf> always blame IE6
Sep 19 22:33:52 <Wavesonics> hhmm so i've got a situation here, where I want my C2DM receiver to know if an Activity is active. So I don't display a notification if the user is already on the screen, any common patterns for doing this?
Sep 19 22:34:23 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: two common ways to do this
Sep 19 22:34:30 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: one, set a static variable
Sep 19 22:35:30 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: two, use the C2DM receiver to send an ordered broadcast to a receiver which just creates the notification. The activity will register/unregister a broadcast receiver in onresume/onpause which will intercept the broadcast and cancel it
Sep 19 22:36:15 <Wavesonics> evancharlton, ah i like that much better, but how can you garentee that the Activtie's receiver wil capture it first?
Sep 19 22:36:43 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: here's a pretty good explanation: http://commonsware.com/blog/2010/08/11/activity-notification-ordered-broadcast.html
Sep 19 22:36:54 <Wavesonics> evancharlton, sweet thx
Sep 19 22:36:56 <evancharlton> basically, register the runtime one at a higher priority
Sep 19 23:07:44 <adq> <ad2> * adq #android-dev :Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
Sep 19 23:07:48 <adq> extremely weird!!!
Sep 19 23:08:27 <evancharlton> that's not weird at all
Sep 19 23:08:42 <evancharlton> you weren't identified, meaning you can't speak
Sep 19 23:09:01 <adq> evancharlton, i did not try to speak at all
Sep 19 23:09:23 <adq> changing nickname while you're not registered and if you are here leads to the error above
Sep 19 23:09:24 <Jojomofoman> is there any way to make it automatically identify you when you load up mIRC?
Sep 19 23:09:32 <adq> it's not normal, the message is not accurate :)
Sep 19 23:10:04 <adq> <Jojomofoman> is there any way to make it automatically identify you when you load up mIRC? <- of course, but it's not here where you should ask that
Sep 19 23:10:19 <adq> you have to use /msg nickserv identify yourpasssswooordd somewhere in your pref of mirc
Sep 19 23:10:45 <Jojomofoman> I realise that, it was just something I wondered earlier and as you were talking about it thought I might ask.
Sep 19 23:10:59 <Jojomofoman> Alright, i see. I'll look into it.
Sep 19 23:10:59 <adq> np :-)
Sep 19 23:11:07 <Jojomofoman> ta
Sep 19 23:19:59 <adq> evancharlton, FYI the official answer is: unregistered accounts are a subset of bans in ircd-seven, explaining the innacurate message :-)
Sep 19 23:21:37 <evancharlton> adq: if you're not identified, you can't communicate with #android-dev. That includes changing your nick (and yes, it's reported as a ban)
Sep 19 23:22:21 <adq> indeed i understand now, it was fun anyway :)
Sep 19 23:22:41 <adq> especially when you're in many channels and one block them all ^^
Sep 19 23:42:14 <Wavesonics> evancharlton, hey, quick thought about what we were discussing
Sep 19 23:42:55 <Wavesonics> in onPause() where I need to remove my broadcast receiver, I'm not garenteed to have a valid Activity refrence, and this a context with which to unregister
Sep 19 23:51:24 <evancharlton> is this a fragment or something?
Sep 19 23:59:58 <Jojomofoman> nn
Sep 20 00:03:30 <Wavesonics> evancharlton, yes, its a fragment
Sep 20 00:03:48 <Wavesonics> i suppose it doesn't have to be though... hhmm..
Sep 20 00:07:12 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: do it onAttach() / onDetach() ?
Sep 20 00:07:41 <Wavesonics> evancharlton, ya thats a good idea too, but i'm moving it to the Activity level, actually makes more sense in this case
Sep 20 00:08:12 <evancharlton> alright
Sep 20 00:20:26 <johnnyonflame> Is there any Linux media player that allows me to upload my playlists to android phones?
Sep 20 00:20:45 <johnnyonflame> most of the players I've tried either wont or will upload em' without setting up the playlist
Sep 20 00:28:07 <mirm> Hello
Sep 20 00:28:29 <mirm> I am having an eclipse/android configuration issue... is anyone around now to help out with that?
Sep 20 00:31:43 <leslie> what's the issue?
Sep 20 01:01:51 <lk16> anyone know the ios analog to this channel?
Sep 20 01:02:12 <HorizonXP> lk16: #iphonedev
Sep 20 01:02:29 <lk16> HorizonXP: thanks!
Sep 20 01:02:46 <HorizonXP> lk16: np. good luck... it's crazy in there.
Sep 20 01:06:38 <justinwarner> Was wondering if anyone has any links for having a "custom" SurfaceView in a normal layout with buttons and stuff to just draw some rectangles, and how to communicate between the view and the main class?
Sep 20 01:12:31 <adq> justinwarner, it's just for a start but look : http://pastebin.com/xZqUZP2L
Sep 20 01:13:09 <adq> you just have to use getter/setter available in your surfaceview from the main class
Sep 20 01:13:15 <adq> then you can do what you want
Sep 20 01:14:02 <adq> please, don't bother the form, syntax or even how variables are named :) it's off topic ;)
Sep 20 01:15:03 <adq> for drawing rectangle, look at canvas method, it's also trivial
Sep 20 01:15:26 <justinwarner> adq, thanks.  Maybe I should have included more of what I have thus far.
Sep 20 01:16:15 <justinwarner> I have a SurfaceView in my XML as a custom class and w/e.  When I run it, it's just a black screen even though I have in the onDraw method to draw a big white rectangle (Background or w/e) and it won't ever go in there to actaully do it.
Sep 20 01:17:02 <adq> do you use a surface holder?
Sep 20 01:17:03 <justinwarner> I think the problem might be in something with the callback/handler, but I don't know much on how those work and how you'd use them from another class that just has it in the XML.
Sep 20 01:17:23 <justinwarner> Un momento.
Sep 20 01:17:58 <adq> try to remove everything first from onDraw and just fill the canvas with a different color than black + add log to have few info/feedback
Sep 20 01:18:08 <adq> like canvas.drawColor(Color.RED);
Sep 20 01:18:08 <adq>  in your onDraw
Sep 20 01:18:36 <justinwarner> http://pastebin.com/fRCj3TBm
Sep 20 01:18:39 <justinwarner> That's what I ahve.
Sep 20 01:18:40 <justinwarner> have*
Sep 20 01:19:01 <justinwarner> So really, my onDraw is just a draw rectangle.
Sep 20 01:19:08 <justinwarner> As the cells is null at any given time.
Sep 20 01:20:55 <adq> justinwarner, http://www.droidnova.com/playing-with-graphics-in-android-part-ii,160.html <- that really helped me in the past
Sep 20 01:21:13 <adq> that migh help you (and it works, at least few monthes ago it worked for sure when i tried)
Sep 20 01:21:34 <adq> http://www.droidnova.com/playing-with-graphics-in-android-part-iii,176.html PART III too
Sep 20 01:21:49 <adq> good luck :)à
Sep 20 01:21:59 <justinwarner> Alright, looks decent enough.
Sep 20 01:22:06 <justinwarner> Thanks a lot, been looking for a bti.
Sep 20 01:22:11 <justinwarner> bit*
Sep 20 01:22:13 <adq> totally, i did a 3D engine like raycasting
Sep 20 01:22:21 <adq> with this example in the surfaceview
Sep 20 01:22:28 <justinwarner> Huh
Sep 20 01:22:32 <justinwarner> Sounds interesting lol.
Sep 20 01:22:36 <adq> i just needed performance for drawing canvas
Sep 20 01:22:38 <convivial> hi, I want to create a view that partially covers another view. the purpose is to see if activity life cycle onPause() IS invoked and onStopped() is NOT invoked
Sep 20 01:22:41 <adq> and surfaceview was there :)
Sep 20 01:22:47 <justinwarner> Lol
Sep 20 01:22:49 <justinwarner> That works.
Sep 20 01:22:53 <adq> \o/
Sep 20 01:22:56 <justinwarner> Well, thank you again =).
Sep 20 01:23:00 <adq> glad you glad!
Sep 20 01:23:19 <convivial> basically, the ALC says that is one view partially covers then activity is not stopped
Sep 20 01:24:18 <convivial> I can see full flow except for above sequence … which is why i need to create a view that partially covers view under it
Sep 20 01:25:08 <adq> convivial, is there http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/pausing.html ?
Sep 20 01:25:16 <adq> is it*
Sep 20 01:25:56 <adq> <<However, once the activity is fully-obstructed and not visible, it stops (which is discussed in the next lesson).>>
Sep 20 01:26:07 <adq> the activity != the view ?
Sep 20 01:27:31 <adq> don't popup a dialog but a custom view, and nothing will be in pause
Sep 20 02:01:32 <convivial> adq:  thanks, i will do it by creating a dialog :D
Sep 20 02:05:19 <kmicinski> I'm not sure if this is appropriate to ask here, but does anyone know where I can find documentation on the number of significant digits after the decimal place that most Android GPS units report?  Or does it vary too widely to be able to tell accurately?
Sep 20 02:05:32 <kmicinski> I believe it's 5.
Sep 20 02:12:36 <g00s> all these cool new sensors transmitting ANT+ / Bluetooth Smart … all incompatible with android :(
Sep 20 02:12:57 <alex_PP> i know :(
Sep 20 02:13:09 <alex_PP> i want a heart rate monitor
Sep 20 02:13:14 <g00s> fucking cool http://www.stagescycling.com/stageone-tech-specs
Sep 20 02:13:19 <alex_PP> all the good ones are ANT+
Sep 20 02:13:40 <alex_PP> yeah, they're nice
Sep 20 02:13:53 <SpeedEvil> kmicinski: you know that the number of digits reported can greatly exceed real significance?
Sep 20 02:14:09 <alex_PP> http://sites.garmin.com/vector/
Sep 20 02:14:18 <alex_PP> so pricey though
Sep 20 02:14:27 <g00s> oh nice, thanks
Sep 20 02:15:31 <kmicinski> SpeedEvil: obviously... I didn't expect the reported number to be accurate to 5 cm... but I need it for a tech report I'm writing..
Sep 20 02:16:29 <SpeedEvil> you mean decimal minutes?
Sep 20 02:16:47 <kmicinski> hm, yes.
Sep 20 02:17:07 <kmicinski> on second thought, I suppose the accuracy reported will so outweight the actual accuracy that this doesn't matter
Sep 20 02:17:22 <kmicinski> *outweigh..
Sep 20 02:17:43 <SpeedEvil> almost always.
Sep 20 02:18:07 <SpeedEvil> though I have a really old GPS that in some modes that's not true
Sep 20 02:18:56 <SpeedEvil> it has a ~10m 'grid' - which was imperceptible really when selective availability was on.
Sep 20 02:19:19 <Snwspeckle> How exactly can I save the data from an edittext view into an array without pressing a buttton?
Sep 20 02:20:27 <p_l|backup> Snwspeckle: using whatever event you want, including Edittext's change event or timer?
Sep 20 02:21:41 <Snwspeckle> Well the problem is that my EditText views are created dynamically so they dont have specific static id's and I need to do calculations for the integers in each separate view, I thought it would be easiest to retain their info into an array instead of doing a loop on the button click
Sep 20 02:22:27 <p_l|backup> ...even if they are created dynamically you can still hook up to their events
Sep 20 02:22:58 <Snwspeckle> So could I use OnKeyListener to retain their data into an array?
Sep 20 02:23:21 <p_l|backup> or similar
Sep 20 02:30:37 <Snwspeckle> p_l|backup: Can you take a look at my code and possibly help me out with inserting the values from my EditText views into my array please? --- https://gist.github.com/074aba5e33d289009cc5
Sep 20 02:33:47 <p_l|backup> it's 0432 here, so not really
Sep 20 02:34:12 <Snwspeckle> Darn, alrighty, anyone else think they can assist this young lad?
Sep 20 02:34:29 <adq> it's 4:34 here :p
Sep 20 02:34:44 <Snwspeckle> Oh dang, perfect time to help me!
Sep 20 02:36:38 <adq> maybe, if you want to prevent to "iterate/looping" each time, you can iterate only one time and keep the references like you do on the holder in your getview, but for your edittext(s)
Sep 20 02:38:02 <Snwspeckle> Well actually my one code right now will display in the log the value from the lost row
Sep 20 02:38:04 <adq> my english is seriously br0ken at this (late) time :|
Sep 20 02:38:14 <Snwspeckle> Its a matter of making ti dynamic
Sep 20 02:39:13 <vbabiy> Is there a way to load a differnt resource if you are not in debug?
Sep 20 02:39:26 <ultra-> why can't i call .start() to run this? http://pastebin.com/qcRXeD9Z
Sep 20 02:39:49 <Snwspeckle> Basically how can I make my loop so that it gets the total amount of rows and then gets the first row and gets the value from that row then inserts into an array then loops again for the next row
Sep 20 02:46:21 <g00s> "Google will update Maps for Android just in time for the release of iOS 6 (update: now available)" … well it would be nice if they updated the crappy apis too
Sep 20 02:49:32 <Snwspeckle> How can I get the values from an EditText view at a specific row in a ListView?
Sep 20 02:51:12 <Leeds> Snwspeckle: what methods have you already tried?
Sep 20 02:51:41 <Snwspeckle> Leeds: Right now I am trying to use a getChildAt(i) function but its not working properly
Sep 20 02:51:49 <Leeds> how is it not working?
Sep 20 02:51:55 <Snwspeckle> Basically its only getting the value from the last EditText view
Sep 20 02:52:09 <Snwspeckle> Its not iterating through each row and getting the values
Sep 20 02:52:31 <Leeds> break it down
Sep 20 02:52:58 <Leeds> there are 3 or 4 different questions there, for you
Sep 20 02:53:26 <ultra-> why can't i run .start() on this? http://pastebin.com/qcRXeD9Z
Sep 20 02:53:37 <ultra-> the tutorials i've read say that's what you do
Sep 20 02:54:33 <Snwspeckle> Leeds: Whatcha mean>
Sep 20 02:55:00 <adq> Snwspeckle, you might need to use a custom adapter for your listview mapped to an array
Sep 20 02:55:01 <Leeds> ultra-: they say you call start() on a Runnable?
Sep 20 02:55:10 <adq> because with getview, it will return mainly the visible one
Sep 20 02:55:19 <adq> not ALL the views in your listview
Sep 20 02:55:32 <ultra-> yeah i saw it in a couple that i looked at
Sep 20 02:55:36 <Snwspeckle> adq: So I have to re-write my dynamically creating code? Thats like all of it :(
Sep 20 02:55:39 <ultra-> should it be run()?
Sep 20 02:55:44 <adq> yeah with something more efficient :)
Sep 20 02:55:48 <Snwspeckle> Nor do I know how, I found this from online
Sep 20 02:55:55 <Leeds> ultra-: then you need to read more closely... do you know the difference between a Thread and a Runnable?
Sep 20 02:56:02 <adq> just look on stackoverflow about "listview adapter getview"
Sep 20 02:56:06 <Leeds> Snwspeckle: you need to back up and learn what the hell you're doing
Sep 20 02:56:12 <ultra-> i think a runnable lets you subclass something else
Sep 20 02:56:17 <ultra-> which in this case i probably don't need to do
Sep 20 02:56:30 <Leeds> taking other people's code that you don't understand will *not* let you write an app which does anything that the original code doesn't do
Sep 20 02:56:53 <adq> you have to understand the concept of listview, imagine you have 23464564565 rows inside
Sep 20 02:57:04 <adq> you don't want to iterate them all
Sep 20 02:57:56 <adq> this is why if you log getView and its index, you will see
Sep 20 02:58:09 <adq> only the visible ones (and maybe one or two after and before for caching) are only computed
Sep 20 02:58:41 <Snwspeckle> Hmm ok because the example I built this off of is very, very sloppy
Sep 20 02:58:51 <adq> i can imagine :) but this is the way to learn also
Sep 20 02:59:40 <adq> good luck Snwspeckle, it's 5AM here now..
Sep 20 02:59:42 <Leeds> Snwspeckle: do you want to learn?
Sep 20 02:59:43 <adq> :p
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 20 02:59:57 2012