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Sep 27 03:00:11 <bjorkintosh> and what is android's usability model, ron_frown?
Sep 27 03:00:36 <ron_frown> http://developer.android.com/design/index.html
Sep 27 03:00:49 <ron_frown> http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/ui-overview.html
Sep 27 03:01:29 <ron_frown> and all the other links on there
Sep 27 03:01:54 <ron_frown> the idea is that the little spinner wheels makes sense to slide up from the bottom, but show me one other widget that does that in android
Sep 27 03:03:01 <ron_frown> the timepicker dialog is SIMILAR
Sep 27 03:03:17 <ron_frown> but having potentially 60 items in the list makes the usability of those wheels a total pita
Sep 27 03:11:14 <wurde> super strange behavior with sqlite/listview. When calling INSERT query and successful Toast is sent I then can call an intent onItemClick (all before updating list). Then on return there are two INSERTED rows... a duplicate.
Sep 27 03:11:48 <wurde> Totally unwanted behavior and not immediately traceable, any ideas to what is triggering this?
Sep 27 03:14:05 <wurde> To add; for every onListItem intent, return sequence another INSERT seems to get called each time.
Sep 27 03:17:39 <wurde> I have a hunch that it could be the arraylists not getting cleared and not an issue with sqlite.
Sep 27 03:18:20 <wurde> nope.
Sep 27 03:18:54 <wurde> Tested even after clearing the arraylists in onCreateView; the issue still exists.
Sep 27 03:20:51 <cyclick> The tutorial at http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html uses the onclick event for buttons but the BluetoothChat demo uses setonclicklistener  (like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8790909/android-bluetooth-discovery-in-a-sequential-method) ... which one is more efficient?
Sep 27 03:36:36 <ayokmac> does anyone know why adding a second button and onclicklistener to the main activity of my app is causing the following error: 09-25 19:31:38.251: E/AndroidRuntime(9549): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.kevmac.sampleapplication/com.kevmac.sampleapplication.MainActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Sep 27 03:37:00 <ayokmac> crashes my app immediately, but without the second button it works fine
Sep 27 03:37:32 <ron_frown> says right there
Sep 27 03:37:48 <ron_frown> you are probably binding when it didnt find that control
Sep 27 03:38:15 <ron_frown> set a breakpojnt on the click listener initialization for the second button
Sep 27 03:39:24 <ayokmac> hmm, what is this breakpoint you speak of?
Sep 27 03:39:33 <ayokmac> like for debugging?
Sep 27 03:39:42 <ron_frown> yes
Sep 27 03:42:19 <ayokmac> dodm
Sep 27 03:42:30 <ayokmac> *breakpoint didn't change anything
Sep 27 03:43:23 <ayokmac> but when i delete the initialization and run it, it works fine
Sep 27 03:43:43 <ayokmac> except for the fact that it has an unclickable second button, lol
Sep 27 03:45:25 <maslen> ayokmac: That's when you're supposed to start examining values. If something is null, and you expect it to not be, determine why.
Sep 27 03:47:16 <ayokmac> muaha i figured it out, button was incorrected id'd
Sep 27 03:47:36 <ayokmac> thanks maslen
Sep 27 03:48:17 * maslen is on the last slide of his presentation.... can't wait till tomorrow afternoon.
Sep 27 03:48:38 <ayokmac> good luck! do it big!
Sep 27 03:49:37 <maslen> lol. I convinced a professor to let me do research instead of twiddling my thumbs in his class. So instead of spending an hour a week on HW, I'm spending 6 hours a week on preparing presentations (so far)
Sep 27 03:51:14 <maslen> But... no HW, midterms, or finals :D
Sep 27 03:51:37 <ayokmac> sounds like a good deal
Sep 27 03:51:58 <maslen> I'm hoping I'll have a net time savings by the end of the semester.
Sep 27 04:04:48 <panegyric> Hey
Sep 27 04:07:14 <panegyric> Anybody knowhow to use Htmlclient
Sep 27 04:07:46 <panegyric> HttpClient*
Sep 27 04:10:44 <panegyric> Anyone?
Sep 27 04:11:09 <Leeds> hey, patience
Sep 27 04:11:35 <panegyric> K my fault
Sep 27 04:11:57 <panegyric> Wasn't sure if anyone was here
Sep 27 04:18:24 <doppio> Hey, I'm using a GestureDetector which overrides onScroll() and onSingleTapUp(). I want to use multitouch.. but when I start a scroll gesture, and keep my finger down, then tap, onSingleTapUp() does not get called
Sep 27 04:18:31 <doppio> Anyone know why this is, and how I can work around it?
Sep 27 04:22:36 <panegyric> Hey
Sep 27 04:22:41 <panegyric> Anybody knowhow to use HttpClient?
Sep 27 04:24:46 <panegyric> Anyone here?
Sep 27 04:25:17 <ron_frown> how about do some searching like everyone else would
Sep 27 04:25:48 <Leeds> guess I should just paste this link in here a couple of times a week: http://android-developers.blogspot.hk/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html
Sep 27 04:26:02 <panegyric> Thanks Leeds
Sep 27 04:26:08 <ron_frown> panegyric
Sep 27 04:26:08 <ron_frown> http://bit.ly/SnbKVK
Sep 27 04:26:48 <Leeds> ron_frown: no, that's too complex
Sep 27 04:26:58 <bjorkintosh> hah. thanks for that, ron_frown, i don't know why i hadn't read that previously.
Sep 27 04:27:02 <bjorkintosh> quite well written.
Sep 27 04:27:27 <ron_frown> bjorkintosh the design site?
Sep 27 04:27:30 <bjorkintosh> yeah.
Sep 27 04:27:46 <doppio> Anyone have any thoughts on my question? I'm very lost :(
Sep 27 04:27:47 <napster> Is it possible to create alert dialogs with fancy lists? Instead of just text items, image & text type stuff?
Sep 27 04:27:48 <bjorkintosh> i had simply skipped it assuming it was fluffy bullshit.
Sep 27 04:27:53 <Leeds> (incidentally, the chances of anything coming from Mars is a million to one, he said - but still, they come)
Sep 27 04:28:20 <ron_frown> you can completely design your dialogs from scratch
Sep 27 04:28:26 <ron_frown> with anything in them you want
Sep 27 04:28:48 <g00s> ron_frown: you may like this http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Wayland-prototype-for-rendering-software-that-runs-remotely-1715463.html
Sep 27 04:29:16 <bjorkintosh> wayland is a waaaaaays away.
Sep 27 04:29:16 <napster> ron_frown: ok so it is not possible to do that using normal Builders?
Sep 27 04:29:38 <ron_frown> bjorkintosh - not really
Sep 27 04:29:56 <ron_frown> its a long ways away til everything is native wayland composition
Sep 27 04:30:04 <ron_frown> but it could be replacing x today
Sep 27 04:30:13 <ron_frown> with x extensions for all the fallback shit
Sep 27 04:30:48 <ron_frown> that architecture that g00s  jsut reported was just to entice people from x11 world
Sep 27 04:31:57 <p_l> kill kill kill wayland
Sep 27 04:32:52 <panegyric> What's a wayland,
Sep 27 04:33:03 <g00s> its a bad company
Sep 27 04:34:39 <p_l> another part in a string of crap ideas that reversed the evolution of "linux on desktop"
Sep 27 04:36:34 <ron_frown> wow
Sep 27 04:36:35 <ron_frown> WOW
Sep 27 04:36:45 <Philpax> wow?
Sep 27 04:36:56 <ron_frown> thats the biggest bs statement I've heard
Sep 27 04:38:03 <ron_frown> biggest problems with linux on a desktop right now... the default process scheduler selection appear to be made primarily on polotics
Sep 27 04:38:20 <ron_frown> and x11 is old, antiquated, stale software thats slow and bloated
Sep 27 04:38:32 <g00s> hopefully it gives priority to the liberal apps
Sep 27 04:38:41 <g00s> :)
Sep 27 04:38:48 <ron_frown> and the type of people who would argue it doesnt need to be replaced... are people who have no idea about its architecture
Sep 27 04:39:00 <p_l> ron_frown: I'm not arguing for keeping X11 intact
Sep 27 04:39:08 <p_l> I'm arguing against the path taken with Wayland
Sep 27 04:39:09 <ron_frown> wayland IS the evolution for linux on the desktop
Sep 27 04:39:58 <ahmedammar> this is NOT a discussion for #android-dev.
Sep 27 04:40:02 <ron_frown> ead
Sep 27 04:40:10 <p_l> yeah, it's not (for the channel)
Sep 27 04:40:35 <panegyric> What's antiquated mean?
Sep 27 04:40:53 <ron_frown> old fashioned
Sep 27 04:41:10 <panegyric> Gotit
Sep 27 04:41:22 <doppio> I'm really stuck here, guys. Looking for a way to detect gestures (like can be done with SimpleOnGestureListener) with multitouch. In other words, I want to be able to be "scrolling" with one finger, and still have single taps by another finger registered
Sep 27 04:41:31 <panegyric> Damn it's like the ny times up in this shhy
Sep 27 04:41:35 <doppio> Preferrably without implementing detection of scrolling, flinging, etc. myself
Sep 27 04:42:26 <panegyric> Computervision. Anyone interested  ?
Sep 27 04:42:35 <doppio> Any nudge in the right direction would be a huge help. I'm sorta in over my head and losing a lot of dev time on this :(
Sep 27 04:42:55 <doppio> Seems like it should be pretty simple
Sep 27 04:43:00 <ron_frown> does the scrolling gesture stuff have a return value?
Sep 27 04:43:09 <panegyric> No
Sep 27 04:43:27 <doppio> Yes, there is a return value.. the method I'm overriding needs to return a boolean
Sep 27 04:43:33 <doppio> I've experimented with both true and false
Sep 27 04:43:36 <panegyric> Oh
Sep 27 04:44:00 <panegyric> Bad programming practice
Sep 27 04:44:02 <doppio> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/GestureDetector.SimpleOnGestureListener.html if you're not familiar
Sep 27 04:44:27 <doppio> panegyric -- thanks
Sep 27 04:44:30 <ron_frown> do you understand what the difference is there? returning true means thats the end of the eventbubbling
Sep 27 04:44:39 <doppio> But in desparation and having lost several hours here, I thought I'd try both
Sep 27 04:44:54 <doppio> ron_frown: Yep, but it wasn't working, so I thought perhaps I misunderstood
Sep 27 04:45:05 <doppio> Looks like my problem must be elsewhere
Sep 27 04:45:08 <ron_frown> I dont know... I guess I've never tried to do that
Sep 27 04:45:14 <ron_frown> breakpoints and logging are your friend
Sep 27 04:45:58 <doppio> Hm, ok, I guess I'll try to mess with it some more
Sep 27 04:46:23 <doppio> I work on this project after full work days, and my brain is usually mush haha.
Sep 27 04:47:00 <ron_frown> you and me both
Sep 27 04:47:23 <ron_frown> I got hung up wiht my rom at work today... the jellybean source I have access to, appears to just be too buggy to use
Sep 27 04:47:32 <ron_frown> so I had a last minute create ics rom for our hardware
Sep 27 05:07:41 <g00s> was there some announcement regarding gdrive today ?
Sep 27 05:10:06 <g00s> what would you guys recommend for an android app 'saving a file to some shared space' … gdrive or dropbox ?
Sep 27 05:13:23 <p_l> support as many as you can?
Sep 27 05:14:58 <g00s> does gdrive even have an android api ?
Sep 27 05:15:23 <g00s> when i look at this, https://developers.google.com/drive/integrate-android-ui … it seems like things are limited to being associated with a file type
Sep 27 05:27:02 <Eltjo> goedemorgen
Sep 27 05:36:24 <flam_> if i have a mainactivity with a handler which receives message from another thread, is it's handleMessage() executed in the same thread as the main activity?
Sep 27 05:40:41 <sunny_slls> hi all
Sep 27 05:40:58 <sunny_slls> i am trying to hide a view with fade out animation
Sep 27 05:41:13 <sunny_slls> this happens when i touch the screen
Sep 27 05:42:02 <sunny_slls> after that a timer is run which enables the view with fade in animation
Sep 27 05:42:35 <sunny_slls> suppose if i touch the screen in the mid way the view appears again and the fade out animation starts
Sep 27 05:43:01 <sunny_slls> how can i resolve this ?
Sep 27 05:47:46 <ron_frown> a simple variable ex. IsHIding = true
Sep 27 05:47:50 <ron_frown> then on click check for it
Sep 27 05:48:26 <ron_frown> if(!IsHiding) {IsHiding=true; animate();IsHiding = false;}
Sep 27 05:48:29 <ron_frown> something like hat
Sep 27 05:56:04 <socket> hey, i've seen you can use on/off images instead of the default ToggleButton look but is it possible to animate the change between states?
Sep 27 06:05:28 <sunny_slls> thanks ron_frown its working
Sep 27 06:08:14 <Kannibal> is it just me or does it hangs for everyone after 7.4 mb of 10mb when downloading this file? http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/com/google/appengine/appengine-api-stubs/1.7.2/appengine-api-stubs-1.7.2.jar
Sep 27 06:12:09 <RazielZ> Kannibal, nope
Sep 27 06:12:13 <RazielZ> Got it fine
Sep 27 06:12:36 <Kannibal> ok, probably our useless office network then...
Sep 27 06:12:39 <Kannibal> thanks
Sep 27 06:13:44 <RazielZ> I can upload it somewhere else if you want
Sep 27 06:23:46 <X-Raimo> hello, is name "DATABASE_NAME" is hardcoded or I can use something like "DB_NAME"?
Sep 27 06:26:26 <gutano> X-Raimo, whatevs
Sep 27 06:27:15 <KNERD> X-Raimo: one way to find out ...try
Sep 27 06:28:40 <X-Raimo> KNERD: I did a lot of code of DB Adapter at 2:00 AM. And it gives NullPointerException. I try to find my mistake.
Sep 27 06:29:01 <X-Raimo> By the way my code is: http://paste.org.ru/?v53b4s
Sep 27 06:31:29 <KNERD> X-Raimo: have you tried debugging it yet?
Sep 27 06:32:56 <X-Raimo> KNERD: yes. It was unreasonable. Because a lot threads are and just after breakpoint in issues Exception
Sep 27 06:33:23 <gutano> your stacktrace didn't have any mention of your code/line?
Sep 27 06:33:40 <KNERD> then how do you know it's the db causing this?
Sep 27 06:33:56 <sampullman> if it was a null pointer exception there must be a line
Sep 27 06:34:08 <KNERD> yes, true
Sep 27 06:35:01 <X-Raimo> KNERD: yes. When I uncomment dbHelper.open(). It works OK
Sep 27 06:35:14 <X-Raimo> here is LogCat log: http://paste.org.ru/?5ftpr6
Sep 27 06:35:40 <KNERD> i notices some of your code you have "null" 5 times, but on line 83, only 4
Sep 27 06:35:57 <KNERD> err..87
Sep 27 06:37:08 <KNERD> X-Raimo: i see no dbHelper.open().
Sep 27 06:37:52 <gutano> guessing result is null, check data v query?
Sep 27 06:38:44 <X-Raimo> KNERD: it located at another Activity class: http://paste.org.ru/?01r1io
Sep 27 06:39:10 <root66> FYI, OfficeSuite Pro 6 is on sale for 25 cents right now
Sep 27 06:39:40 <root66> along with these: https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/promotion_celebrate_25_billion
Sep 27 06:39:56 <KNERD> X-Raimo: not there either
Sep 27 06:40:53 <KNERD> i'd buy that for a dollar
Sep 27 06:41:22 <gutano> hrrm.. I retract my last comment... if it was bad query it would exception, if mismatched v data it would be an empty cursor
Sep 27 06:41:40 <KNERD> why noy just get oen office for 0 cents?
Sep 27 06:42:34 <KNERD> i think the problem is in his array..
Sep 27 06:43:06 <KNERD> I was suspecting there was one when he posted the error, but i saw no code for an array until is last paste
Sep 27 06:43:39 <KNERD> i have seen enough null pointer errors to be associated with arrays
Sep 27 06:44:05 <gutano> lhrrm... can you do selections like that?    KEY_ID=?, new String[] { rowIndex }?
Sep 27 06:44:35 <sorin7486> does anybody here know if NFC works by tapping on the screeen?
Sep 27 06:44:44 <sorin7486> or is it just on the phone's back ?
Sep 27 06:45:06 <sorin7486> mine doesn't have NFC so I can't try it out
Sep 27 06:46:50 <X-Raimo> gutano: what line it is&
Sep 27 06:46:52 <X-Raimo> gutano: what line it is?
Sep 27 06:48:27 <gutano> 86... the notation I mentioned might not be the only way, you might be able to inline values... I've just always done it by passing a selectionArgs array
Sep 27 06:50:02 <gutano> just not  see'ing anything else too funky in that area..
Sep 27 06:54:36 <X-Raimo> gutano: It seems like not DB created because there's no /data/data/my.package/database
Sep 27 06:54:41 <gutano> different angle, why translate into objects instead of just using a cursor? there are all sorts of convenient mechanisms to use with a cursor..
Sep 27 06:54:57 <Looney> anyone here having experience of Android TV box
Sep 27 06:54:59 <gutano> databases/yourdb.
Sep 27 06:55:10 <Looney> I mean viewing/ using
Sep 27 06:55:42 <X-Raimo> gutano: /data/data/my.app/databases/myDB ?
Sep 27 06:55:48 <gutano> /data/data/bleh.bleh/databases/mydb.db (or DB_NAME), this is generated by sqlliteopenhelper
Sep 27 06:56:00 <X-Raimo> gutano: no such file
Sep 27 06:56:07 <X-Raimo> and directory
Sep 27 06:57:01 <gutano> so it hasn't been created for whatever reason yet, but it is not something that pre-exists
Sep 27 06:58:18 <gutano> I'm not sure if sqliteopenhelper does it on constructor or first time getWritable, docs should tell you
Sep 27 06:59:51 <gutano> "Create a helper object to create, open, and/or manage a database. This method always returns very quickly. The database is not actually created or opened until one of getWritableDatabase() or getReadableDatabase() is called."
Sep 27 07:14:06 <X-Raimo> I found error
Sep 27 07:18:39 <KNERD> X-Raimo: what was it?
Sep 27 07:18:43 <tneva82> ugh. There's data in database which has string m³. I get it however to my android phone via php call as m&#178; What encoding method I need to do so that it would show properly on textfield?
Sep 27 07:19:57 <martinjlowm-lapt> Is there some specific tag of repo which supports python2.7? I get an invalid syntax error using the master branch.
Sep 27 07:23:57 <X-Raimo> KNERD: there were no init of DB Adapter. And dbAdapter was null
Sep 27 07:27:18 <KNERD> oh..that was easy
Sep 27 07:31:54 <X-Raimo> KNERD: anyhow. Thanx for your help
Sep 27 07:32:17 <KNERD> sure
Sep 27 07:44:57 <socket> is there  a tutorial out there on how to use 9patch images to skin a button?
Sep 27 07:45:41 <ixc> google: 9patch image button
Sep 27 07:45:51 <ixc> you can find a ton of tutorial
Sep 27 07:46:09 <ixc> and basics also on d.android.com
Sep 27 07:50:26 <pvankouteren> Anyone familiar with date arithmetic in Android?
Sep 27 07:51:11 <pvankouteren> I'm getting the weirdest results when using the GregorianCalendar to add days to a particular date
Sep 27 07:55:52 <KNERD> pvankouteren: There is no "android arithmetic' The algorithm is the same no matter
Sep 27 07:56:29 <pvankouteren> KNERD: yeah, true. The question actually was if there's someone familiar with date arithmetic
Sep 27 07:56:54 <DysonReturns> greets all
Sep 27 07:57:42 <KNERD> pvankouteren: maybe the easiest would be to get the julian dates add or subtract then convert to Gregorian?
Sep 27 07:57:48 <pvankouteren> I used the GregorianCalendar to add a number of days to a particular date. When looking at a regular calendar, in 3 / 5 cases, the result is not correct
Sep 27 07:58:19 <KNERD> because you just cant add days
Sep 27 07:58:37 <pvankouteren> KNERD: I noticed ;) hehe
Sep 27 07:58:52 <pvankouteren> What would you suggest to use then?
Sep 27 07:59:57 <thepoosh> Hi guys, quick question.
Sep 27 08:00:37 <thepoosh> what is better? implementing onClick for the whole Activity, or implementing a new listener for each button?
Sep 27 08:01:32 <KNERD> pvankouteren: I already gave you one idea. Another is look up the algorthim for calculating dates on a gregorian calender
Sep 27 08:03:21 <pvankouteren> KNERD: I'm not familiar with Julian dates. I looked it up, but there's no native class for that, is that correct? Also I tried to look for an algorithm for date calculation on a GregorianCalendar, but I only come across blogs which use GregorianCalendar, add 3 days and say "Hey look, it works!"
Sep 27 08:06:38 <KNERD> pvankouteren: This took all of .00000000000000000000000000000002 seconds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day#Converting_Julian_or_Gregorian_calendar_date_to_Julian_Day_Number
Sep 27 08:08:47 <KNERD> pvankouteren: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html this was porbably done in JavaScript
Sep 27 08:08:48 <pvankouteren> KNERD: Sorry 'bout that. I used different keywords and didn't came across that one as I looked for an implementation rather than for theory
Sep 27 08:09:11 <KNERD> that shows you implementation
Sep 27 08:13:37 <KNERD> pvankouteren: http://www.technicalypto.com/2010/02/different-between-two-days-implemented.html
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Sep 27 08:16:27 <pvankouteren> KNERD: will surely try that. Thanks! When it's working I'll make sure to create a blog post about it
Sep 27 08:16:38 <KNERD> sure
Sep 27 08:18:25 <KNERD> pvankouteren: "The Julian Period is a chronological interval of 7980 years beginning 4713 BC. It has been used by historians since its introduction in 1583 to convert between different calendars"
Sep 27 08:19:32 <pvankouteren> KNERD: Hehe learned something new today :)
Sep 27 08:22:22 <rvsjoen> is the contact manager on gs2 (ICS) not capable of displaying custom data records added through a sync adapter ? i've added a custom field which shows up fine in the emulator but not on my phone :/
Sep 27 08:27:01 <napster> As per this documentation the edit text error message should clear off when a some input is made to the edit text. But it is not happening on ICS : http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#setError(java.lang.CharSequence)
Sep 27 08:41:27 <Semo> Hello, I'm searching now for days to find a solution for my camera problem. I build an App using the camera and used the API guides. I have no hardware to test my App so I need to test it on the dalvic vm. My App doasnt write proper video files to the sdcard and MediaRecorder crashes on stop(). Is the MediaRecorder support at the daliv vm not working properly?
Sep 27 08:45:56 <sorin7486> is there a way to reference a preference in a layout XML ? For example I want to set a label directly
Sep 27 08:48:05 <Ivru> I don't think so
Sep 27 08:48:52 <SimonVT> Once you've inflated it you can get the preference with PreferenceActivity/PreferenceFragment#findPreference
Sep 27 08:51:44 <sorin7486> yeah, thanks
Sep 27 08:53:10 <napster> As per this documentation the edit text error message should clear off when a some input is made to the edit text. But it is not happening on ICS : http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#setError(java.lang.CharSequence)
Sep 27 09:12:27 <emc> hello, i have an account that i use to publish apps on the market place. But i want one of my colleagues to have access to my account as well (without having to give him my password). Is that somehow possible?
Sep 27 09:13:14 <SimonVT> You can try clicking "manage accounts"
Sep 27 09:13:29 <SimonVT> +user
Sep 27 09:13:50 <emc> ahhh :)
Sep 27 09:14:20 <emc> thanks a lot, I somehow didn't see that...
Sep 27 09:15:40 <brian_de> napster: you might doing something wrong. I'm using this too, and it works just fine on ICS
Sep 27 09:16:31 <napster> brian_de: I see, let me do a test app for this
Sep 27 09:16:52 <brian_de> ... after checking the input i'm calling setError once. And when I edit the text again, the error icon disapears
Sep 27 09:18:20 <napster> brian_de: ok, in my case I had to setError(null) on in explicitly
Sep 27 09:23:02 <brian_de> napster: strange. are you using a subclass of textview (maybe there are some callbacks overwritten)?
Sep 27 09:23:13 <napster> brian_de: no no
Sep 27 09:23:28 <napster> just using plain EditText
Sep 27 09:25:06 <brian_de> well I guess it's no big deal to call setError(null) just to be sure :)
Sep 27 09:39:38 <viran> hi, i get an error on this line: <style name="mytheme" parent="@android:Theme.Black"> do i need to define mytheme somewhere?
Sep 27 09:47:41 <napster> brian_de: Yes I can reproduce this issue with a plain test app : https://gist.github.com/3793179
Sep 27 09:48:16 <napster> home.xml is nothing but : https://gist.github.com/3793182
Sep 27 09:49:01 <napster> brian_de: by the way I'm on Jelly Bean not ICS. Sorry about that
Sep 27 09:50:16 <KNERD> can the google play app be installed on the emulator?
Sep 27 09:50:55 <Leeds> KNERD: why?
Sep 27 09:51:39 <KNERD> because I dont have an android phone and wanted to play around with the market
Sep 27 09:53:23 <napster> KNERD: There was some workaround to install the market application emulators. But I don't remember it. If you have an apk, you can use adb install
Sep 27 09:54:39 <KNERD> yep..I got an APK...someone was so proud of Google Play , they posted download links all over the place.
Sep 27 09:54:56 <KNERD> but thanks..I will try that asb install
Sep 27 09:55:12 <KNERD> abd,,
Sep 27 09:55:32 <Leeds> it's not in any way a supported, licensed, blah blah thing to do
Sep 27 09:56:11 <Leeds> the emulator is a tool for testing your own development... blah, whatever
Sep 27 09:56:22 <napster> :)
Sep 27 09:58:06 <napster> brian_de: Infact this error can be reproducible on API-10 as well, so the docs must be wrong I think.
Sep 27 09:58:32 <napster> s/reproducible/reproduced
Sep 27 10:14:49 <g00s> napster: did you try looking in the defect tracker ?
Sep 27 10:15:16 <napster> g00s: err... what is defect tracker?
Sep 27 10:15:40 <g00s> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Sep 27 10:16:00 <g00s> its a cesspool, but maybe you'll be lucky
Sep 27 10:16:02 <napster> ah ok
Sep 27 10:18:14 <HDroid> Geez, Bitbucket added a like button to commits... "Be the first to like this changeset."... how lame.
Sep 27 10:18:38 <napster> g00s: I was actually lucky : http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14310&q=seterror&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
Sep 27 10:19:01 <napster> but it it still not fixed.
Sep 27 10:19:04 <g00s> napster: not lucky, it wasn't triaged
Sep 27 10:19:06 <napster> *it is
Sep 27 10:19:15 <napster> yes, not triaged
Sep 27 10:19:52 <napster> actually this bug is not just for textCapWords
Sep 27 10:21:11 <napster> I have this issue with textPerson or no inputType at all
Sep 27 10:21:46 <napster> anyway, subscribing to it
Sep 27 10:21:56 <g00s> heh
Sep 27 10:22:04 <funkbox> morn
Sep 27 10:22:09 <g00s> i would try to submit another bug with more info
Sep 27 10:22:37 <napster> g00s: Or should I do it?
Sep 27 10:23:02 <g00s> napster: yeah, submit a new bug
Sep 27 10:23:05 <napster> ok
Sep 27 10:23:06 <g00s> paste code
Sep 27 10:23:12 <g00s> (in the bug description)
Sep 27 10:23:19 <napster> sure
Sep 27 10:23:39 <g00s> who knows, maybe its a bug in the docs
Sep 27 10:24:04 <g00s> i got into an argument with a googler a few months ago, that there should be better ways of providing feedback on the javadoc pages
Sep 27 10:24:22 <g00s> this person felt that the "+1" thing was sufficient
Sep 27 10:24:34 <g00s> haha
Sep 27 10:25:07 <napster> If it is a bug in the doc, the this is the expected behavior
Sep 27 10:25:08 <napster> :)
Sep 27 10:26:28 <napster> g00s: Also about JavaDocs, I agree with you. Many method descriptions are pretty minimal. as such nothing can be figured out without doing some tinkering.
Sep 27 10:27:05 <napster> +1 is sufficient to find out which JavaDoc is the best :D
Sep 27 10:45:33 <Pitel_IPEX> is there some recommended SIP library, for phones that does not provide native SIP API (my boss's samsung)?
Sep 27 10:50:53 <ninjalama> I've got this app that needs to be built for both < 2.3 and >= 4.0 , where the 4.0 version will take advantage of the actionbar etc. Is it reasonable to have two seperate projects ( with probably most of the logic as a third project (library project) ) ?
Sep 27 10:51:54 <vavirta> Use ActionBarSherlock so you can use actionbar in 2.3
Sep 27 10:52:41 <ninjalama> that's one option, but we've decided to go for the native actionbar, and not actionbarsherlock, for this project
Sep 27 10:52:53 <Leeds> erm... <2.3 and >=4.0?  no 2.3 or 3.x? :)
Sep 27 10:52:59 <vavirta> okay
Sep 27 10:53:00 <Pitel_IPEX> I use compatibility support library to support actionbar in 3.0 and later. In older version, it uses default menu.
Sep 27 10:53:46 <Pitel_IPEX> and don;t forgot to setr targetsdk to 15 or higher
Sep 27 10:54:15 <funkbox> that's be bad, mkay
Sep 27 11:01:02 <g00s> pretty cool http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413686/study-car-manufacturers-typeface-distraction
Sep 27 11:07:01 <ninjalama> Leeds: well.. maybe I failed at explaining, but we will support all phones running 2.2 or higher, but not 3.x ;)
Sep 27 11:07:45 <Leeds> what's wrong with 3.x?
Sep 27 11:12:02 <funkbox> Leeds: he probably looked at market share
Sep 27 11:14:13 <Leeds> funkbox: there's still more honeycomb than jelly bean - or was, 3 weeks ago
Sep 27 11:26:19 <sdaq> howdy
Sep 27 11:26:49 <Snuffel> hello
Sep 27 11:34:45 <viran> when creating a drawable for hdpi/mdpi what should be the scale of the images?
Sep 27 11:42:01 <sdaq> holy fuck
Sep 27 11:42:22 <sdaq> I just realized the icon on the logcat window is the android robot as a nyan cat
Sep 27 11:45:25 <tech1> is there a limit to how many tables one can store in sqlite in android? i want to store data such as: warehouses and deliveries, where the user can add and create as many warehouses and deliveries as they want, and each delivery has a source and destination warehouse and other data such as frequency and quantity. so i am thinking each warehouse will have 2 tables, one for warehouse data(name, location etc), and one fo
Sep 27 11:45:26 <tech1> r a list of it's deliveries
Sep 27 11:48:53 <Ivru> oh god
Sep 27 11:49:40 <Ivru> 2 tables: warehouse(name, location)  and delivery(infos, source, dest)
Sep 27 11:49:43 <Ivru> tech1:
Sep 27 11:49:57 <Ivru> source an dest are foreign keys
Sep 27 11:52:42 <tech1> hi Ivru. it needs to be fast though, ill have a screen and a warehouse instance *this, which will populate the screen with any delivery where *this warehouse is a source or destination..... if i just have 2 large tables.... wont scanning through lots of unrelated deliveries be much slower than simply populating *this warehouse screen from a table of deliveries only for *this warehouse?   or maybe the keys you mention
Sep 27 11:52:42 <tech1> speed things up somehow..
Sep 27 11:55:45 <Ivru> tech1: You should just try. I don't think using a SQL query with an OR will take too long
Sep 27 11:57:36 <tech1> ok thanks ill try what you said. whats an OR by the way
Sep 27 11:58:05 <Ivru> that's what i though
Sep 27 11:58:50 <Ivru> tech1: select * from warehouse, delivery where delivery.src = <idOfTheWarehouse> OR delivery.dest = <idOfTheWarehouse>
Sep 27 11:58:56 <tagrudev> anyone using osmdroid ?
Sep 27 12:00:26 <tech1> i see. looks like it will work. thanks you have helped a lot :)
Sep 27 12:07:05 <socket> hey, is it possible to make one of those buttons into 9patch image so it would stratch well? http://www.premiumpixels.com/freebies/onoff-switches-and-toggles-psd/
Sep 27 12:07:25 <socket> im not sure it would work with those kind of buttons...
Sep 27 12:08:40 <tech1> i dont see why not
Sep 27 12:08:56 <socket> the round parts would strech well?
Sep 27 12:09:09 <tech1> well they wouldnt be circles anymore i dont think. the round ones
Sep 27 12:09:43 <tech1> as far as i know 9patch can only stretch x and y, not circularly
Sep 27 12:10:22 <socket> i see, thanks
Sep 27 12:10:56 <tech1> maybe you could make different sizes and scale the closest one down or something. but im not an android graphics expert so maybe someone else has a better solution
Sep 27 12:29:13 <napster> What is the best way to check if a device is connected to internet or not?
Sep 27 12:29:35 <napster> getSystemService(Context.CONNECTIVITY_SERVICE); seems fine?
Sep 27 12:50:30 <XiaYixuan> hi
Sep 27 12:59:50 <wongk> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907281
Sep 27 13:03:08 <kaneda^> morning all, wongk
Sep 27 13:03:33 <kaneda^> i was just trying to use DDMS in eclipse and all of the options for debugging are grayed out for my nexus one, what's going on?
Sep 27 13:04:03 <kaneda^> do i have to push directly to the device for this to work? i was hoping that it would work just plugged in
Sep 27 13:04:21 <Ivru> kaneda^:  have enable usb debug on your phone ?
Sep 27 13:04:25 <kaneda^> Ivru, yep
Sep 27 13:04:41 <Ivru> do you see your phone in the list ?
Sep 27 13:04:43 <kaneda^> yep
Sep 27 13:04:50 <kaneda^> but all of the buttons are grayed out when i select it
Sep 27 13:05:09 <Ivru> windows ?
Sep 27 13:05:12 <kaneda^> yep
Sep 27 13:05:19 <Ivru> then i don't know sorry
Sep 27 13:05:34 <kaneda^> hmm, i'll try restarting eclipse i guess
Sep 27 13:05:41 <kaneda^> it picks up the logcat automatically
Sep 27 13:06:23 <kaneda^> Ivru, do you think it's because i used adb to push the app to the phone instead of using eclipse?
Sep 27 13:07:38 <Ivru> eclipse use adb
Sep 27 13:08:27 <kaneda^> Ivru, true
Sep 27 13:08:43 <kaneda^> but i'm guessing the DDMS uses traceview or something
Sep 27 13:09:39 <kaneda^> Ivru, yah, ddms couldnt hook into the process w/o being started from eclipse
Sep 27 13:09:56 <kaneda^> when i pushed it into debug from eclipse onto the phone i could attach the debug and dump heap and threads on the process itself
Sep 27 13:24:16 <martinakre> hi, does anyone have any examples of applications that have used ABS on Google Play?
Sep 27 13:25:45 <HDroid> http://actionbarsherlock.com/ bottom has 4 apps
Sep 27 13:27:31 <martinakre> HDroid: yeah, I saw those, but thought maybe there were other apps as well :)
Sep 27 13:28:45 <HDroid> Tons... I've come across so many, I don't even notice anymore...
Sep 27 13:28:46 <wongk> my app uses it
Sep 27 13:29:08 <wongk> i think every app uses it these days? ;)
Sep 27 13:29:40 <p_l> martinakre: afaik even Google I/O application used it ;)
Sep 27 13:29:50 <martinakre> p_l: good to know :)
Sep 27 13:30:25 <martinakre> thanks for the replies, guys!
Sep 27 13:39:39 <tech1> why hasnt ABS's functionality part of the standard APIs?
Sep 27 13:40:32 <p_l> tech1: because ABS is compat library to support new APIs on old ones?
Sep 27 13:42:06 <tech1> i see your point. maybe my question should have been.. why didn't google build this library? it seems like something critical that everyone uses
Sep 27 13:42:12 <wongk> we've been told that something similar is being worked on for the support library
Sep 27 13:42:23 <tech1> i see
Sep 27 13:42:40 <p_l> then someone outran google ;)
Sep 27 13:42:55 <tech1> i just feel weird using someone elses code(besides google)
Sep 27 13:43:01 <tech1> like im cheating
Sep 27 13:43:48 <tech1> but its probably my paranoia
Sep 27 13:43:54 <sam> Google sure doesn't feel weird using everyone else's code
Sep 27 13:46:08 <wongk> tech1: that's a completely backwards mentality
Sep 27 13:47:01 <exeter> hi
Sep 27 13:47:15 <exeter> i need to build one smalll app
Sep 27 13:47:28 <exeter> can u give me one idea
Sep 27 14:00:10 <yezariael> Hey all. Is it possible to have a 'counter' in an EditText, that counts down how many chars are left to enter? For example in the corner of the EditText, there should be a number updating according to the chars already typed.
Sep 27 14:03:29 <yezariael> actually, the problem would be how to integrate the counter in the corner, not how to count.
Sep 27 14:04:34 <kaneda^> yezariael, i would probably make a gridlayout with an edittext and a textview next to it
Sep 27 14:05:10 <kaneda^> yezariael, but if you're dead set on having it IN the text view you can fake it with a relative layout or a frame layout
Sep 27 14:05:37 <yezariael> kaneda^: unfortunately, there is so little room that it definitely needs to be inside the editText
Sep 27 14:05:48 <yezariael> preferably in a very small case
Sep 27 14:06:01 <kaneda^> yezariael, so yah, with framelayout you can push things on top of another view, e.g. to act as a label for an image
Sep 27 14:06:14 <yezariael> ok, i'll have a look at that, thanks
Sep 27 14:06:19 <kaneda^> with a relative alyout if you dont specify ANYTHING everything will be in the upper left-hand corner
Sep 27 14:08:51 <kaneda^> i love gridlayout, btw
Sep 27 14:09:12 <yezariael> kaneda^: so if I get this right, I can kind of 'replace' my EditText with a FrameLayout, and inside that have the old EditText plus a TextView as my counter. Right?
Sep 27 14:09:12 <kaneda^> w/o gridlayout support libraries all of my android applications would look ugly as shit
Sep 27 14:09:25 <yezariael> ok, i'll look at gridlayout now
Sep 27 14:10:35 <yezariael> nah, I don't think GridLayout will work for me
Sep 27 14:10:40 <kaneda^> yezariael, i think framelayout is what you want
Sep 27 14:10:52 <kaneda^> gridlayout would be if you wanted a better tableview basically
Sep 27 14:11:04 <kaneda^> because you have more control over the filling and spacing of cells
Sep 27 14:11:15 <yezariael> you're right, I'll try with FrameLayout
Sep 27 14:11:21 <yezariael> thanks man
Sep 27 14:11:39 <kaneda^> yezariael, http://www.learn-android.com/2010/01/05/android-layout-tutorial/3/
Sep 27 14:11:50 <kaneda^> the XML for this is pretty much what you want, replacing ImageView for an edittext
Sep 27 14:12:07 <kaneda^> oh, and you probably want to wrap_content instead of filling parent since you have so little space
Sep 27 14:13:39 <kaneda^> speaking of gridlayout, padding it makes it cut off my cells instead of wrapping them onto the next line, how can i fix this?
Sep 27 14:14:19 <kaneda^> i think i'll have to pad each cell ;_;
Sep 27 14:14:44 <marsilainen> hi all, I'm playing with writing to external storage for the first time; Apparently I should call getExternalStoragePublicDirectory() and pass in a parameter such as 'DIRECTORY_PICTURES' to figure out where to write to
Sep 27 14:14:54 <marsilainen> but none of the constants seem appropriate for my file type
Sep 27 14:15:04 <marsilainen> so what should I be doing in this case?
Sep 27 14:15:32 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesExternal
Sep 27 14:17:10 <marsilainen> SimonVT: thanks, that's what I've been reading - but it doesn't seem to suggest what I should do if my file type doesn't fall into one of the categories
Sep 27 14:17:18 <arnouf> hello
Sep 27 14:17:32 <ninjalama> When building an app with minSdk = 7, target = 14 , is it possible to have the app display buttons on a 4.0 device as if it was a 4.0 app? right now, it looks like a 2.1 app :P
Sep 27 14:17:37 <arnouf> Anybody uses the new OnHoverListener
Sep 27 14:17:39 <arnouf> ??
Sep 27 14:17:39 <SimonVT> pass null to receive the root of your application's file directory
Sep 27 14:17:54 <SimonVT> ninjalama: Use Theme.Holo
Sep 27 14:17:55 <arnouf> I try to use it with a mouse pointer and the event is never called !
Sep 27 14:18:06 <arnouf> I need help to resolve this issue.
Sep 27 14:18:12 <marsilainen> SimonVT: it says that null can't be passed to getExternalStoragePublicDirectory()
Sep 27 14:18:19 <arnouf> Sample is not working too :-/
Sep 27 14:18:30 <ninjalama> SimonVT: already tried it
Sep 27 14:18:43 <SimonVT> marsilainen: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Context.html#getExternalFilesDir(java.lang.String)
Sep 27 14:18:46 <ninjalama> oh wait, I've failed.
Sep 27 14:18:49 <marsilainen> SimonVT: I'm wanting to call the 'Public' one since I believe otherwise the files will get removed if the app is uninstalled - which doesn't seem approprate for me
Sep 27 14:18:57 <marsilainen> SimonVT: that's the non-public version
Sep 27 14:18:59 <SimonVT> What kind of files are they?
Sep 27 14:19:01 <yezariael> kaneda^: sorry, can't help you with your gridlayout, but thanks for your help, works perfectly!
Sep 27 14:19:11 <kaneda^> np
Sep 27 14:19:12 <ninjalama> SimonVT: will that work on a 2.1 device though? Thought holo was >= 3.0 ?
Sep 27 14:19:35 <SimonVT> ninjalama: http://android-developers.blogspot.dk/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html
Sep 27 14:19:38 <marsilainen> SimonVT: I'm writing an app for the game of Go (a board game) and want to allow export of a game record in a file format which is widely used by other Go software
Sep 27 14:20:02 <ninjalama> SimonVT: ty
Sep 27 14:20:06 <marsilainen> SimonVT: it seems more likely that these should be treated as 'documents' which shouldn't be removed if the app is uninstalled I think
Sep 27 14:20:23 <SimonVT> marsilainen: Put a common folder at the root then
Sep 27 14:20:29 <arnouf> I'm starting to think that this API doesn't work correctly...or documentation is missing
Sep 27 14:20:34 <marsilainen> oh, I can do that?
Sep 27 14:20:43 <SimonVT> Yeah
Sep 27 14:20:43 <marsilainen> hmm, ok, will look into it
Sep 27 14:20:52 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html#getExternalStorageDirectory()
Sep 27 14:21:00 <SimonVT> That gets you the root of the external storage
Sep 27 14:21:17 <SimonVT> Just append GoApps or something
Sep 27 14:22:30 <marsilainen> ok
Sep 27 14:22:44 <mr_lou> Noob question. Can any Android version run any Android APK of earlier versions? E.g. can Android 4.1 run any Android 1.5 apk?
Sep 27 14:22:49 <Philpax> yes
Sep 27 14:23:02 <kaneda^> mr_lou, supposedly
Sep 27 14:25:31 <yezariael> How can I set an offset to layout_gravity? Say I have android:layout_gravity="bottom|right", but it is too far right and too far down, but only a few pixel. Is defining an offset possible? Maybe even programmatically?
Sep 27 14:26:21 <kaneda^> yezariael, layout_marginTop / layout_marginRight
Sep 27 14:26:37 <kaneda^> that wil define the outside spacing, where paddingTop and paddingRight will define the inside spacing
Sep 27 14:28:36 <Hodapp> blargh. Inside of overridden ImageView.onTouch(), getImageMatrix() is very infrequently returning an identity matrix, but when it does, it keeps doing it until I change the display orientation
Sep 27 14:28:57 <Hodapp> and it does this only on the Galaxy S3, not the Transformer TF101
Sep 27 14:33:05 <arnouf> Anybody can help regarding OnHoverListener ?
Sep 27 14:34:19 <yezariael> kaneda^: again, thx. hero.
Sep 27 14:34:31 <kaneda^> np
Sep 27 14:37:31 <kaneda^> ugh, why wont my text view wrap over
Sep 27 14:37:36 <kaneda^> do i need to give it an actual width for it to do this?
Sep 27 14:37:42 <kaneda^> wrap_content wont wrap to the size of the gridlayout cell?
Sep 27 14:37:53 * kaneda^ slaps android around with a large iOS storyboard
Sep 27 14:37:59 <kaneda^> THIS IS WHY THEY MAKE FUN OF US ;_;
Sep 27 14:38:01 * kaneda^ runs away crying
Sep 27 14:39:45 <kaneda^> even w/ margins, padding, layout gravity, fill or wrap content, even with multiline textviews
Sep 27 14:40:40 <gutano> kaneda^, your just trying to wrap text in a limited size TextView?
Sep 27 14:40:59 <kaneda^> gutano, taht's it, but inside of a gridlayout this doesnt work appropriately
Sep 27 14:41:16 <kaneda^> the gridlayout CLIPS the child textview when it should force it to wrap to the next line
Sep 27 14:41:49 <kaneda^> when i hard code a width for the textview it works
Sep 27 14:41:50 <kaneda^> it wraps
Sep 27 14:41:54 <gutano> focus on the size of the view, not the handling of the text
Sep 27 14:42:34 <gutano> I'm not terribly familiar with GridLayout, I wish I had more insightful comments
Sep 27 14:42:46 <C0deMaver1ck> is there currently an exploitable bug to gain root on consumer devices in JB?
Sep 27 14:43:17 <gutano> C0deMaver1ck, #android-root?
Sep 27 14:43:29 <kaneda^> gutano, unfortunately this is the 2nd bug i've found in the gridlayout support libraries
Sep 27 14:43:30 <C0deMaver1ck> gutano: yeah, those are the xda dev typs
Sep 27 14:43:32 <C0deMaver1ck> *types
Sep 27 14:43:34 <kaneda^> the first one i've already submitted for review
Sep 27 14:43:48 <gutano> C0deMaver1ck, those are the types that handle rooting
Sep 27 14:43:57 <C0deMaver1ck> gutano: but I'll try there
Sep 27 14:48:09 <cbarrett1> speakingcode:  morning
Sep 27 14:49:00 <Hodapp> Has anyone worked with TabHost much? I'm looking at these examples, and it looks like they all uses one activity per tab, and a lot of them do it via addTab(...)
Sep 27 14:49:15 <Hodapp> can I just use this to switch multiple layouts that I don't add dynamically?
Sep 27 14:49:49 <cbarrett1> does anyone have experience listening for orientation changes? I *think* I have everything set up correctly - but I am not able to get my app to change orientation if I rotate my tablet
Sep 27 14:51:42 <Hodapp> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/107693/Tabbed-Applications-in-Android . . . I suppose even if I have the tabs defined in the XML, I still must manually create TabSpec objects and add them?
Sep 27 14:57:47 <lov> Hodapp: please for the love of god don't use tabs.
Sep 27 14:57:55 <lov> Use the ViewPager and fragments
Sep 27 14:58:00 <lov> tabs are godawful deprecated garbage
Sep 27 14:58:45 <ejcweb> I'm launching a particular activity of my app from a broadcast receiver, and want to make it so that when I call finish() in that activity that the main activity of my app shows, rather than whatever activity was previously in the foreground.
Sep 27 14:58:54 <ejcweb> Can someone explain how this can be done?
Sep 27 14:59:39 <Hodapp> lov: I'd read some page claim they were deprecated, but the docs didn't say they were... but I'll look into ViewPager instead.
Sep 27 15:00:08 <Ivru> ejcweb: You should take a look at android:noHistory for your non main activities
Sep 27 15:00:21 <Ivru> (in the manifest)
Sep 27 15:01:11 <mbrevda> I was originally designing a model that calls a ContentProvider, and trying to make the ContentProvider as generic as possible. Now I'm thinking I should be working the other way around: have the ContentProvider call a model, depending on the uri. Any thoughts/experience with this?
Sep 27 15:01:43 <ejcweb> Irvu: Sure, but it's not my own activity that I don't want to show. Imagine I'm on the Gmail app, then my activity is started from a background process. When I call finish(), I want another of my activities to now be in the foreground, not Gmail.
Sep 27 15:01:59 <yezariael> I need help with this: http://pastebin.com/jf4ZM9Qa Why would that give me a NullPointerException in line 4 and 5?
Sep 27 15:02:10 <yezariael> what am I missing?
Sep 27 15:04:27 <rciovati> yezariael: you have to call findViewById after call setContentView.
Sep 27 15:04:56 <cbarrett1> kaneda^:  have any advice on app orientation?
Sep 27 15:05:17 <kaneda^> cbarrett1, what about it?
Sep 27 15:05:26 <kaneda^> you can lock it by setting an orientation, for instance
Sep 27 15:05:36 <kaneda^> you can listen for orientation change, if that's what you're interested in
Sep 27 15:05:52 <cbarrett1> well the orientation was locked before, but I removed that from the manifest
Sep 27 15:06:03 <kaneda^> so now it rotates
Sep 27 15:06:05 <cbarrett1> but not only is it not catching orientation change, it's not actually happening either
Sep 27 15:06:10 <cbarrett1> hehe
Sep 27 15:06:15 <cbarrett1> no, no rotation
Sep 27 15:06:19 <lov> Hodapp: http://developer.android.com/training/implementing-navigation/lateral.html#horizontal-paging
Sep 27 15:06:21 <cbarrett1> this is on a transformer prime tablet
Sep 27 15:06:41 <kaneda^> cbarrett1, you probably messed up in the manifest file
Sep 27 15:06:45 <kaneda^> cbarrett1, android:screenOrientation="sensor"
Sep 27 15:06:49 <kaneda^> try setting this explicitly
Sep 27 15:07:56 <cbarrett1> ah ok, let me try kaneda^
Sep 27 15:08:00 <Hodapp> lov: thanks, I'll check that out
Sep 27 15:08:47 <rciovati> i need to customize text color for the menu on Android 4.0+ with phisical menu button (this one, to be clear http://i48.tinypic.com/2iayd5l.png) Any idea on wich theme attribute should i work?
Sep 27 15:11:26 <Magnets> I want to take a layout and swap the main/parent view for a custom (subclassed) view. What's the best way to do that? Do I need to manually store a reference to each child view and then recreate the view using my custom parent?
Sep 27 15:15:19 <cbarrett1> love you kaneda^
Sep 27 15:15:26 <kaneda^> <3
Sep 27 15:16:04 <cbarrett1> lol
Sep 27 15:18:02 <gorudonu> dont know why but me too
Sep 27 15:21:31 <cbarrett1> gorudonu:  you love kaneda^ too?
Sep 27 15:22:46 <gorudonu> why not
Sep 27 15:22:56 <kaneda^> everyone loves kaneda
Sep 27 15:23:04 <gorudonu> true that
Sep 27 15:25:22 <cbarrett1> like… literally?  you get around man. :P
Sep 27 15:30:36 <root66> so I woke up this morning to my phone going off repeatedly with a noise I don't recognize
Sep 27 15:30:58 <kaneda^> root66, it's gonna blow! get outa there!
Sep 27 15:31:03 <root66> it was my old work email getting email to a guy who clearly signed up for stuff not knowing his own email address
Sep 27 15:31:25 <root66> I used to get it all the time and I would do stuff like reset his netflix password and order shitty movies
Sep 27 15:31:37 <root66> this time it was airline tickets though
Sep 27 15:31:52 <root66> I now have his full name, address, and phone, but he is in the UK
Sep 27 15:31:55 <kaneda^> root66, going somewhere?
Sep 27 15:31:57 <kaneda^> heh
Sep 27 15:32:01 <tech1> you should sign up to some gay porn sites
Sep 27 15:32:20 <root66> I was thinking about ordering him some embarrassing catalogs
Sep 27 15:33:27 <root66> actually the email link logs me right in, so I could just change his rental car to something really bad
Sep 27 15:33:30 <root66> like a pontiac aztec or a minivan
Sep 27 15:33:40 <root66> or cancel it
Sep 27 15:34:12 <root66> Additional notes: "Be sure to laugh in my face for not knowing my own email address"
Sep 27 15:35:13 <cbarrett1> lol
Sep 27 15:35:22 <cbarrett1> can you even rent a pontiac asstec?
Sep 27 15:37:27 <Lachezar> Hey all...
Sep 27 15:38:25 <gorudonu> hey
Sep 27 15:38:32 <gorudonu> cbarrett1: what's wrong with it ? ;p
Sep 27 15:38:37 <Philpax> hmm
Sep 27 15:39:02 <Lachezar> I am having issues with Bluetooth @ HTC Legend. I am using direct serial over bluetooth (undocumented, but the only one working). However when reading from the device I get 0 bytes (0 as value), or I get repeating data (that was already red).
Sep 27 15:39:26 <gorudonu> Lachezar: paired the device ?
Sep 27 15:39:39 <Lachezar> gorudonu: Of course.
Sep 27 15:40:13 <gorudonu> so I dont know, I had similar situation but it gave me exception
Sep 27 15:40:22 <gorudonu> what kind of next device is it ?
Sep 27 15:40:27 <Lachezar> I get this with HTC Legend only. The connected device does not use zero bytes in it's protocol, and the fact, that I can read the same data twice is <<puzziling>>...
Sep 27 15:41:02 <Lachezar> *puzzling.
Sep 27 15:41:08 <gorudonu> Lachezar: so it's device specific only...
Sep 27 15:41:37 <Lachezar> gorudonu: Model specific. I get reports of the same issue with multiple handsets of this model.
Sep 27 15:41:48 <root66> cbarrett1: I don't know if they even make them anymore
Sep 27 15:41:58 <root66> but I will always remember them as the ugliest car of all time
Sep 27 15:41:59 <cbarrett1> probably not :P
Sep 27 15:42:19 <root66> I think the movie industry bought up most of the pontiac aztecs to debrand them and use in movies about the future
Sep 27 15:42:52 <root66> I think everyone was driving them on the new "V" series
Sep 27 15:43:01 <cbarrett1> lol
Sep 27 15:43:13 <cbarrett1> or they bought them to crash them all, as no one else was buying them
Sep 27 15:43:45 <root66> well if you just paint over the ugly sea foam green they came in by default, they could easily fit the bill for a parallel universe where we have lazer guns but car design is still shitty
Sep 27 15:44:05 <gorudonu> Lachezar: sorry I cant help
Sep 27 15:44:19 <gorudonu> I could search buy you probably done it already
Sep 27 15:46:05 <root66> Lachezar: you are sure that it is reading "0" and not
Sep 27 15:46:07 <root66> "-1"
Sep 27 15:46:20 <root66> like, I wonder if it is a connection issue
Sep 27 15:46:29 <root66> where you are receiving the data but it's not getting the acknowledgement
Sep 27 15:46:43 <root66> which is why it then wants to resend the same message
Sep 27 15:46:57 <root66> just a guess, since it is undocumented
Sep 27 15:47:27 <root66> but I would try incrementing messages and handle delivery verification manually
Sep 27 15:48:07 <ali__> is it a good idea for a service querying a rest API to store results in a database? or it shouldn't?
Sep 27 15:48:50 <root66> like, have a message ID that increments by two every time one is sent. Use evens on one end and odds on the other.
Sep 27 15:49:04 <root66> if an acknowledgement is not received in time it resends
Sep 27 15:49:25 <root66> and on both ends, duplciates are ignored and missing/out-of-sequence packets re-requested
Sep 27 15:50:04 <root66> as a workaround, obviously, assuming the undocumented way doesn't work out
Sep 27 15:51:03 <root66> actually you don't even need even/odd in this case. each side tracks the other side's +1 increments
Sep 27 15:51:27 <cbarrett1> kaneda^:  kind of a noob java question I guess, but I'm override onConfigurationChanged in my activity, but my admob code is being run from a Plugin. What's the best way to notify the plugin that orientation has changed do you think?
Sep 27 15:51:59 <kaneda^> cbarrett1, sorry, i'm not familiar with admob
Sep 27 15:52:23 <cbarrett1> the admob part isn't too important, mostly just how you pass data around like that. my java is ultra rusty
Sep 27 15:56:02 <Sicp> you know that bar that Facebook app uses, the one that pops out from the left-hand side?
Sep 27 15:56:12 <Sicp> that isn't from Android, is it. It's just JS
Sep 27 15:57:12 <Leeds> it isn't from Android, although there are a couple of drop-in implementations floating around AFAIK
Sep 27 16:00:47 <Philpax> I'm fetching an uncompressed bitmap (over a TCP connection forwarded by ADB) as a byte[] @ 30fps but I need to get it as a Bitmap to draw; what's the best way of doing this without invoking the GC (too much)?
Sep 27 16:01:39 <kaneda^> Philpax, you get it as a byte stream and decode it to a bitmap
Sep 27 16:02:01 <kaneda^> that's it, you never invoke GC
Sep 27 16:02:05 <Philpax> the thing that's killing me most is the GC cleaning up and taking a ridiculous amount of time
Sep 27 16:02:06 <Philpax> so yeah
Sep 27 16:02:08 <Philpax> I'll try that
Sep 27 16:02:08 <kaneda^> if you dont need the image ever again recyle it
Sep 27 16:02:10 <Philpax> thanks for the advice
Sep 27 16:02:45 <socket> is there a gallery some where of what you can do with styles on a button/textview?
Sep 27 16:03:35 <kaneda^> socket, i wish, i cant even find a gallery of the widget assets, which yuo would think would be provided in the documentation
Sep 27 16:04:55 <socket> the time i spent on trying to make my app look nice is 10 times more than it took to write it
Sep 27 16:05:11 <kaneda^> socket, yep, the iOS guys keep laughing at our interface builder
Sep 27 16:05:43 <socket> yeah with good reason, eclipse sucks
Sep 27 16:05:53 <kaneda^> eclipse doesnt suck
Sep 27 16:05:59 <kaneda^> and the android extensions for it are nice
Sep 27 16:06:03 <kaneda^> except for the interface builder
Sep 27 16:06:44 <socket> true
Sep 27 16:06:57 <Hodapp> Eclipse has its very sucky points. I've used it for a lot of different tasks.
Sep 27 16:07:08 <Hodapp> But it has some really, REALLY annoying bugs when I'm hacking Android stuff.
Sep 27 16:07:10 <kaneda^> but it also has a lot of great tools
Sep 27 16:08:52 <Hodapp> But for Counterclockwise, for instance, the editor is so slow that I can easily get 4-5 seconds of input lag, in the event that I open a quotation mark and don't close it.
Sep 27 16:09:34 <Hodapp> The XML editor in Eclipse regularly gets to states where the content of the file appears to change based on where my cursor is
Sep 27 16:09:55 <socket> yeah, same here
Sep 27 16:10:09 <kaneda^> ok, so my own conclusion is that gridlayout doesnt do waht i want it to do, and i'll need to use a linearlayout w/ weights
Sep 27 16:10:20 <socket> and if there was an error on some line, sometimes it does not let it go even after it's fixed
Sep 27 16:10:21 <kaneda^> this makes me sad
Sep 27 16:10:50 <socket> you can use tableLayout
Sep 27 16:11:23 <Lachezar> root66: Ughh... Fair question with no easy answer... I am reading the byte 0x00 fro m the stream (more than once consecutively).
Sep 27 16:12:59 <Lachezar> root66: However in order to implement a on-time-out-repeat I have an asynchronous reader and writer. So it might be me, but all the tests I've done point out, that the asynchronous reader works as expected.
Sep 27 16:13:36 <Lachezar> root66: The same code and same bluetooth device work well on other devices (some HTC too).
Sep 27 16:16:49 <kaneda^> tablelayout isnt what i want
Sep 27 16:35:16 <MachineChild> Hello all.
Sep 27 16:35:36 <kaneda^> hai
Sep 27 16:36:07 <jondot> hello
Sep 27 16:36:17 <MachineChild> I'm looking for recommendations on a RESTKit equivalent framework for Android.
Sep 27 16:36:37 <BadDesign> MachineChild: Spring Android
Sep 27 16:36:51 <jondot> how can I get to the GCM team for a private query?
Sep 27 16:37:08 <socket> anyone got a style he'd like to share for a TextView/EditText?
Sep 27 16:37:18 <MachineChild> BadDesign: Thank you.
Sep 27 16:38:33 <kaneda^> MachineChild, HttpURLConnection in an asynctask
Sep 27 16:38:47 <Sicp> I don't think that I can write JS to implement some visual elements without having any HTML inside my Android project, true?
Sep 27 16:39:00 <Sicp> I mean, what am I going to manipulate?
Sep 27 16:39:07 <tech1> iv created avds on linux and i can run them fine, but when they run my console does get this error: ERROR: Could not load OpenGLES emulation library: libOpenglRender.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. emulator: WARNING: Could not initialize OpenglES emulation, using software renderer. .......... what is causing this and is it fixable in the avd manager? the emulator runs and i can install a
Sep 27 16:39:07 <tech1> pps but will this affect testing certain kinds of graphics
Sep 27 16:39:22 <p_l> Sicp: well, you can use JS to create Android Framework applications
Sep 27 16:39:32 <Sicp> I don't understand what that means..
Sep 27 16:39:50 <Sicp> the thing is, I want to implement that Facebook popup navigation, the one they use in their Android app
Sep 27 16:39:52 <p_l> Sicp: you can use a JavaScript for JVM implementation, like Rhino
Sep 27 16:39:56 <Sicp> but I don't want Phonegap either
Sep 27 16:40:17 <Sicp> and what does it allow me to manipulate? I can do things to EditText with it, for example?
Sep 27 16:40:41 <p_l> Sicp: I meant a JS implementation that is native to JVM, so you use the same classes you'd use in Java, the same APIs etc.
Sep 27 16:41:29 <Sicp> meaning I would write in Java to get JS resutls
Sep 27 16:42:07 <Sicp> ok nevermind, I've started reading
Sep 27 16:43:23 <Sicp> "In addition, Rhino has implemented JavaAdapters, which allows JavaScript to implement any Java interface or extend any Java class with a JavaScript object. See the enum.js example for more information."
Sep 27 16:52:31 <socket> gradient has a startColor, endColor, is it possible to use more colors in the gradient?
Sep 27 16:55:34 <romainguy_> socket: yes, from code
Sep 27 16:56:39 <socket> thanks
Sep 27 16:58:59 * Lachezar has to go and restudy multi-threading... It does not work the same way on Android as it does in normal Java.
Sep 27 16:59:36 <Hodapp> Multi-threading rarely does, anywhere.
Sep 27 17:01:28 <Lachezar> I am reading from a stream into a circular buffer in one thread, and read from the same buffer in another thread (not NIO Buffer, just byte[] buffer). Somehow the pointers in one thread have different values in the other thread :(
Sep 27 17:01:40 * Lachezar bid everyone farewell.
Sep 27 17:02:57 <Hodapp> did you mark them vo- nevermind you left
Sep 27 17:08:09 <tech1> if i have created an avd is there a way to display it's profile/data via a command specifying the name i gave it?
Sep 27 17:10:39 <tech1> nevermind ill just make a script
Sep 27 17:16:08 <eindoofus> for someone with some basic/intermediate java and c# experience what book or resource do you recommend for learning android development? Is there anything that also covers using databases and web services for android?
Sep 27 17:20:18 <doc_savage> eindoofus: everything you need is on d.android.com, start here: http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Sep 27 17:24:03 <socket> i set the height of a textview using weight, i want the text size to be 90% of the height. do i need to do that programmatically?
Sep 27 17:24:57 <napster> Is it okey to store an array of objects in my custom application class and use them directly in my custom list adapter?
Sep 27 17:26:34 <eindoofus> thanks doc_savage
Sep 27 17:27:14 <socket> android:textScaleX helps me here?
Sep 27 17:51:22 <abhoriel> is there a way to simply poll the touchscreen? ie. find out how many "pointers" there are, and loop through to get the x and y coordinates?
Sep 27 17:51:47 <lov> No?
Sep 27 17:51:54 <lov> some of those touch events may not be for your app.
Sep 27 17:52:00 <lov> You'll get touch events for touch events you should know about
Sep 27 17:52:06 <lov> you can keep track of the state yourself if you're interested.
Sep 27 17:53:53 <abhoriel> lov, ok thanks
Sep 27 17:54:17 <abhoriel> lov, i just have to keep catching the events and keep track of how many pointers there are and their coordinates i guess
Sep 27 18:01:40 <lov> abhoriel: which is easier than it sounds; just use an ArrayList or something.
Sep 27 18:02:05 <Hodapp> hrmph, this calling-onCreate-upon-screen-rotation business is annoying
Sep 27 18:02:47 <lov> Hodapp: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
Sep 27 18:04:16 <Hodapp> lov: what part of this page is supposed to be useful?
Sep 27 18:04:41 <wongk> you know the activity is destroyed and recreated, right?
Sep 27 18:05:44 <Hodapp> why else would onCreate be called...?
Sep 27 18:06:04 <lov> Hodapp: the point is that this is a normal part of the activity lifecycle and you ought to be handling this anyway.
Sep 27 18:06:05 <wongk> just an unusual way to phrase it
Sep 27 18:06:16 <wongk> but yes, it's very annoying
Sep 27 18:06:20 <lov> If you really must not be destroyed because of rotation, specify the configChanges that you handle in your manifest.
Sep 27 18:06:34 <kaneda^> hmm, the gridlayout text clipping "solution" doesnt work for me
Sep 27 18:07:22 <kaneda^> i chose instead to just get the screen width and set the layout width in java
Sep 27 18:18:03 <scarleo> Hi, looking  for some guides on how to do directions with google maps in Android, with json parsing (not kml file)
Sep 27 18:18:44 <scarleo> Just like draw the route from point A to point B
Sep 27 18:20:27 <lov> scarleo: https://developers.google.com/android/add-ons/google-apis/
Sep 27 18:20:49 <lov> mind you, I don't think that there's any routing or turn by turn built in
Sep 27 18:21:58 <SpeedEvil> there are APIs to generate a route
Sep 27 18:22:10 <scarleo> lov, thanks, no I know, have to do it with Google maps API but I'm a bit unsure how to parse the json response, a lot of crap in that response
Sep 27 18:22:43 <scarleo> And I can't really find the relevant GeoPoints in there
Sep 27 18:24:21 <jcromartie> did Google ever have to lure developers with free money and/or hardware to build Android apps?
Sep 27 18:24:34 <Snuffel> my phone is vulnerable
Sep 27 18:24:36 <Snuffel> :(
Sep 27 18:24:57 <shmooz> samsung did with the bada OS something like 2.7 mil
Sep 27 18:25:49 <wongk> of course they've given away hardware
Sep 27 18:26:18 <jcromartie> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57463195-93/google-i-o-giveaways-$5.5-million-buys-a-lot-of-buzz/
Sep 27 18:30:44 <lov> jcromartie: there's google i/o, yeah
Sep 27 18:30:51 <lov> aside from that, I think that there was a developer contest in like early 2009?
Sep 27 18:30:59 <lov> that's all I can think of
Sep 27 18:31:03 <cbarrett1> Does anyone know if Activity has support for PropertyChange listeners?
Sep 27 18:31:23 <Necrosan> When android is all compiled, what libraries actually carry the core/jni/android/graphics/Bitmap.cpp functions?
Sep 27 18:33:52 <cbarrett1> my new best friend kaneda^ do you know, regarding my question ^^?
Sep 27 18:34:20 <evancharlton> lov: there were two of those
Sep 27 18:37:31 <romainguy_> Necrosan: android_jni
Sep 27 18:38:59 <kaneda^> cbarrett1, not sure, never worked with broadcast events or anything
Sep 27 18:39:05 <Necrosan> romainguy_: those particular functions libjnigraphics?
Sep 27 18:39:19 <cbarrett1> kaneda^:  k
Sep 27 18:39:57 <romainguy_> sorry they go in libandroid_runtime.so
Sep 27 18:40:17 <romainguy_> I'm afraid to ask why you need to know :)
Sep 27 18:41:19 <Necrosan> romainguy_: trying to figure out some native methods for something without source and make a patch ;)
Sep 27 18:43:22 <luyang> Google Play Services seems cool
Sep 27 18:43:49 <Stew-a> lol, i think my google drive app is having a small identity crisis https://dl.dropbox.com/u/68272416/Screenshot_2012-09-27-19-08-38.png
Sep 27 18:48:11 <canadiancow> jcromartie, they sent out nexus ones to developers in early 2010
Sep 27 18:48:20 <canadiancow> but you had to have already released a "good" app
Sep 27 18:51:29 <tech1> if i already have the app installed, "adb install" does not work, i have to use "ant installd" , but then if i have multiple devices attached, how do i specify the target device (generally done with "adb -d install), if the app is already installed? and im testing a recompiled version
Sep 27 18:52:40 <evancharlton> tech1: are you looking for adb install -r ?
Sep 27 18:52:44 <doc_savage> tech1: adb -d install -r Package.apk
Sep 27 18:52:46 <root66> world of goo and fifa 12 are both $0.25 right now
Sep 27 18:52:47 <doc_savage> ^^
Sep 27 18:53:25 <tech1> thanks ill try that. does it give this command on the developer.android site? im looking there but cant find it
Sep 27 18:54:30 <doc_savage> tech1: adb --help
Sep 27 18:54:44 <tech1> its not on the building and running from cmdline page. or the adb page
Sep 27 18:54:46 <platzhirsch> I am using GCM, how can I offer my App to everyone using the application so he/she can configure the service for their own machines?
Sep 27 18:54:49 <tech1> oh yeh i forgot about that
Sep 27 18:54:50 <tech1> lol
Sep 27 18:54:54 <tech1> thanks
Sep 27 18:54:59 <doc_savage> it might be on the developer site somewhere too :)
Sep 27 18:55:18 <tech1> not that i can see doc. ill just use the --help thing thanks
Sep 27 18:55:58 <tech1> now i just have to figure out how to make my script aware if its been installed already or not
Sep 27 18:58:10 <g00s> "Google reportedly planning to launch $99 Nexus 7 by end of 2012" :O
Sep 27 19:01:10 <g00s> i guess its clear to me know why google bought nik last week "Instagram Beats Twitter In Daily Mobile Users"
Sep 27 19:01:49 <LuxuryMode> I have two textviews, one next to the other horizontally. I'd like to figure out, based on the text set on the first one, whether my other text to be used in textview2 will actually fit inside the view or whether i should place it in another textview underneath the first one. how can i do this?
Sep 27 19:02:32 <g00s> make like easy: just put the 2nd under the first ;)
Sep 27 19:03:01 <LuxuryMode> haha yeah good idea
Sep 27 19:03:52 <g00s> i think it could be disorienting if the user is typing and textviews start moving around
Sep 27 19:04:41 <fakingfantastic> Hey guys. I have an app that pulls messages from a web API. The app has a refresh button on an activity. How do I go about making this refresh happen on an interval, even when not in the app. I think I understand it requires a IntentService, BroadcastReceiver, AlarmManager. But since there may not be an active Activity, does that mean I need to implement a database, and just have the service update the db -- and all the activity does is refre
Sep 27 19:04:41 <fakingfantastic> from the db data?
Sep 27 19:04:44 <fakingfantastic> (Sorry for the length)
Sep 27 19:06:42 <Hodapp> okay, so my manifest has <uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="11" /> and I've restarted Eclipse... yet it is still bitching that the current min API level is 10
Sep 27 19:06:50 <Hodapp> and thus I cannot call getActionBar() and such
Sep 27 19:07:12 <Hodapp> am I missing something really obvious here?
Sep 27 19:07:13 <sampullman> fakingfantastic: I haven't done that sort of thing in a while, but that sounds about right
Sep 27 19:07:21 <g00s> Hodapp: grep your files in your project dir to make sure everything was changed
Sep 27 19:07:35 <sampullman> and clean before building
Sep 27 19:07:45 <g00s> i thought there was another little properties file that had that also specified
Sep 27 19:08:14 <g00s> fakingfantastic: you may find the 2010 i/o presentation on rest and android useful
Sep 27 19:08:33 <Hodapp> g00s: nope, the only thing that mentions SDK is the manifest.
Sep 27 19:08:53 <Hodapp> ugh, stupid fucking Eclipse.
Sep 27 19:09:15 <g00s> Hodapp: ok, disable auto build, clean, restart eclipse, clean again :) try to build
Sep 27 19:09:18 <Hodapp> I'm supposed to be debugging my application, not my environment.
Sep 27 19:09:56 <Hodapp> alright, added @TargetApi annotation like it suggested, error went away, deleted annotation, error stayed gone
Sep 27 19:10:06 <Hodapp> good jorb, Eclipse.
Sep 27 19:20:31 * kbs pets his emacs
Sep 27 19:26:27 <Hodapp> kbs: I should switch to Emacs soon, particularly for its better Clojure support.
Sep 27 19:27:06 <sampullman> a little bit of lisp never hurt anybody :)
Sep 27 19:27:16 <ejcweb> Is there a way to get all the preferences in a PreferenceActivity?
Sep 27 19:27:36 <ejcweb> Currently I'm having to hard-code a list of the preferences, when I want to disable/enable them all.
Sep 27 19:28:51 <Hodapp> sampullman: but using Eclipse for it damn near left a fist-shaped hole in my monitor.
Sep 27 19:29:14 <sampullman> oh, i was just referring to emacs-lisp
Sep 27 19:36:26 <p_l> now, if only clojure mode didn't screw up slime
Sep 27 19:36:54 <BulleTime> hi guys, i am trying to integrate unity3D into eclipse. Does anyone ever done unity on android and willing to help me?
Sep 27 19:37:58 <KNERD> BulleTime: I am sure the instructions for java are similar
Sep 27 19:39:09 <KNERD> BulleTime: Google... .00000000000000000000000000002 seconds http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/71607-Integrating-Unity-and-Eclipse
Sep 27 19:40:15 <BulleTime> i know all of this guys, but im pointing to a crash.
Sep 27 19:40:57 <BulleTime> i followed this steps:
Sep 27 19:40:58 <BulleTime> http://www.rbcafe.com/Softwares/Unity/Documentation/Manual/Android-Integrating%20Unity%20With%20Eclipse.html
Sep 27 19:41:01 <fakingfantastic> g00s: thanks man, ill check it out now
Sep 27 19:41:30 <BulleTime> but the app will crash at launce
Sep 27 19:41:33 <BulleTime> launch*
Sep 27 19:42:06 <KNERD> BulleTime: sounds like debugging time to me
Sep 27 19:42:33 <BulleTime> yeah but i cant realy find out what is crashing the app
Sep 27 19:42:48 <BulleTime> i use logcat, does that sounds ok?
Sep 27 19:43:05 <KNERD> what is wrong with using the eclipse debugger?
Sep 27 19:43:47 <BulleTime> not to sure, im new to eclipse, but is logcat something else?
Sep 27 19:44:08 <KNERD> it's so easy even ,my grandmother can do it
Sep 27 19:44:12 <KNERD> and she is dead
Sep 27 19:44:22 <BulleTime> hehe
Sep 27 19:45:00 <KNERD> all you have to do is click to the left of the code so colored bots appear. Those will be stopping points when you click on DEBUG. You can see what the status of the code is at each stop
Sep 27 19:45:01 <BulleTime> not sure there were android devices in your grandmothers time
Sep 27 19:45:13 <KNERD> dots..not bots
Sep 27 19:45:36 <BulleTime> ok ill go into debugging lets try
Sep 27 19:45:45 <BulleTime> thanks KNERD for intro
Sep 27 19:45:46 <lov> BulleTime: logcat will help as well, especially if the crash happens in someplace that isn't your codebase.
Sep 27 19:45:55 <lov> If it's a crash in native code, the debugger won't really help you
Sep 27 19:46:12 <KNERD> yes true
Sep 27 19:46:18 <BulleTime> yeah ok but its something more like manifest bug or somehow
Sep 27 19:46:41 <BulleTime> its realy a startup issue
Sep 27 19:47:00 <lov> BulleTime: The problem is that your app crashes on startup: yes/no
Sep 27 19:47:08 <BulleTime> yes
Sep 27 19:47:11 <lov> If yes, examine the logcat output and see if there's a nice fact stacktrace.
Sep 27 19:47:25 <KNERD> then it's probaby time to start modulizing the code
Sep 27 19:47:27 <lov> Additionally, if the crash is in javaland, you can attach the debugger if there's any ambiguity of what's happening when you crash.
Sep 27 19:47:38 <KNERD> or made a simple app to test your install
Sep 27 19:48:04 <BulleTime> note that regular apps work
Sep 27 19:48:07 <BulleTime> even in my project
Sep 27 19:48:31 <KNERD> so you are saying the unity install works?
Sep 27 19:48:38 <BulleTime> when i enable setContentView in OnCreate() i see the "hello world"
Sep 27 19:48:40 <KNERD> but you came here asking how to install?
Sep 27 19:48:45 <BulleTime> nono
Sep 27 19:48:48 <BulleTime> not to install
Sep 27 19:49:00 <lov> >_<
Sep 27 19:49:03 <BulleTime> to fix something i dont know about
Sep 27 19:49:09 <KNERD> "hi guys, i am trying to integrate unity3D into eclipse. Does anyone ever done unity on android and willing to help me?"
Sep 27 19:49:14 <lov> ok, stop.
Sep 27 19:49:17 <lov> Before you continue
Sep 27 19:49:19 <KNERD> sounds like install to me :-)
Sep 27 19:49:22 <lov> just run the app and examine the logcat output
Sep 27 19:49:30 <lov> see if you have a nice fat stacktrace.
Sep 27 19:49:42 <lov> if you have it, see if there's a "caused by" halfway through, then start from there. Repeat as necessary.
Sep 27 19:50:05 <lov> Then, look at the line that it specifies and see if you can figure out what might cause that exception.
Sep 27 19:50:17 <BulleTime> ok i must say im totaly new to eclipse and java
Sep 27 19:50:33 <BulleTime> ok so i just run the project as android app right?
Sep 27 19:50:35 <lov> yes.
Sep 27 19:50:39 <KNERD> don't you think you should learn to code first in java?
Sep 27 19:50:41 <lov> There will be a logcat tab.
Sep 27 19:51:04 <BulleTime> KNERD yes i can
Sep 27 19:51:13 <socket> when in eclipse do i set the min api required for the project? under project->properties->android there's build target. where's the min target?
Sep 27 19:51:15 <BulleTime> its prettymuch simulair to c#
Sep 27 19:51:23 <lov> socket: in your manifest.
Sep 27 19:51:24 <KNERD> okay...true
Sep 27 19:51:53 <socket> thanks lov
Sep 27 19:52:04 <BulleTime> KNERD as i said im new to eclipse not to coding lol
Sep 27 19:52:15 <KNERD> you said "new to java" also
Sep 27 19:52:52 <socket> any idea why a user would get this error message when trying to run my apk file? "Parse error There is a problem parsing the package"
Sep 27 19:52:53 <BulleTime> true:)
Sep 27 19:53:09 <socket> the same apk file works for me on android 4
Sep 27 19:53:15 <socket> the user has 2.3.6
Sep 27 19:54:03 <lov> socket: that error message is incomplete.
Sep 27 19:54:09 <lov> full logs plx
Sep 27 19:54:52 <socket> where do i get the logs? it's running on a phone of some friend of mine...
Sep 27 19:55:09 <lov> have them install aLogcat or some such
Sep 27 19:56:03 <KNERD> socket: did you set the thing for what versions the user needs?
Sep 27 19:56:18 <BulleTime> lov can i send u the complete log ?
Sep 27 19:56:33 <KNERD> nooo... codepad it
Sep 27 19:56:40 <BulleTime> true k
Sep 27 19:56:47 <BulleTime> codepad?
Sep 27 19:56:53 <KNERD> codepad.org
Sep 27 19:56:54 <BulleTime> willdo
Sep 27 19:57:08 <lov> use pastebin
Sep 27 19:57:12 <lov> or some other pastebin-like site.
Sep 27 19:57:16 <lov> (like codepad)
Sep 27 19:58:47 <BulleTime> ok i dont like codepad though, but it was KNERD's advise..
Sep 27 19:58:51 <BulleTime> here we go:
Sep 27 19:58:53 <BulleTime> http://codepad.org/awC5bsRZ
Sep 27 19:59:09 <KNERD> why don't you liek it?
Sep 27 19:59:40 <BulleTime> it hasnt got java prefix:)
Sep 27 19:59:48 <KNERD> i thought it did
Sep 27 19:59:56 <KNERD> I am sure C++ will work ;-)
Sep 27 19:59:57 <BulleTime> not sure though lol
Sep 27 20:00:02 <BulleTime> yes:)
Sep 27 20:01:41 <KNERD> socket: DId you follow this where it states MINIMUM REQUIRED SDK? http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/creating-project.html
Sep 27 20:02:18 <marsilainen> can anyone recommend any books on Android development?
Sep 27 20:02:32 <sampullman> d.android.com
Sep 27 20:02:36 <marsilainen> there seem to be a lot out there, but I wonder if a lot are outdated
Sep 27 20:02:46 <mrenouf|work> Interesting stat. In one day, a new app release was used by 103 different devices.
Sep 27 20:02:47 <lov> marsilainen: they mostly are outdated.
Sep 27 20:02:48 <KNERD> The Internet is the only Book you will ever need
Sep 27 20:02:58 <lov> marsilainen: you likely want to start at http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Sep 27 20:03:05 <lov> BulleTime: I don't see any crashes in that log output.
Sep 27 20:03:06 <marsilainen> sure - but internet is not good on a long train journey I'm going on tomorrow :)
Sep 27 20:03:26 <sampullman> you can download the api for offline viewing
Sep 27 20:03:26 <marsilainen> so I was hoping I could sync a book to a tablet on safaribooksonline
Sep 27 20:03:33 <calvinchan> hey
Sep 27 20:03:38 <KNERD> marsilainen: the SDK has plenty of offline resources..including HTML and PDF files when you got the SDK
Sep 27 20:03:45 <mrenouf|work> marsilainen, download the internet
Sep 27 20:03:49 <platzhirsch> What reasons are there to set a AsyncTask reference to nulla gainst in the postExecute method? The task is run in the onCreate() method of an Activity https://github.com/ketanpatel25/GCM-Demo/blob/master/gcm/samples/gcm-demo-client/src/com/google/android/gcm/demo/app/DemoActivity.java#L94
Sep 27 20:03:56 <marsilainen> hmmm, ok, I will look into putting the SDK on my tablet then
Sep 27 20:03:57 <marsilainen> thanks
Sep 27 20:03:57 <calvinchan> has anyone ever encrypted the expansion obb file when you upload it to google play?
Sep 27 20:04:22 <lov> marsilainen: those docs are available offline, yeah.
Sep 27 20:04:25 <BulleTime> issnt that wierd lov
Sep 27 20:04:27 <BulleTime> ?
Sep 27 20:04:33 <lov> marsilainen: download the docs via the SDK.
Sep 27 20:04:40 <marsilainen> ok, great, thanks
Sep 27 20:04:47 <lov> BulleTime: ok, lets step back.
Sep 27 20:04:49 <lov> when you say "crash"
Sep 27 20:04:52 <lov> what actually happens.
Sep 27 20:05:16 <marsilainen> figure I will learn a lot if I look at those during the 10 hours of train journeys I have in the next couple of days :)
Sep 27 20:05:21 <mrenouf|work> damn, that's a good idea
Sep 27 20:05:34 <BulleTime> i see the splash image shortly (the image i setup in unity) and then the app crash (without dialog)
Sep 27 20:05:41 <lov> 16:05:00 < lov> when you say "crash"
Sep 27 20:05:42 <lov> 16:05:02 < lov> what actually happens.
Sep 27 20:06:21 <lov> see, it looks like your activity is present for about 100 ms before it pauses itself.
Sep 27 20:06:27 <lov> I don't see any actual crashes.
Sep 27 20:06:52 <lov> If you have some sort of crash in your C# code, that may very well not show up here; you should look at the unity documentation to figure out how to handle that.
Sep 27 20:07:39 <BulleTime> ok what im gonna do is, i will create a blank unity project and test with that
Sep 27 20:07:50 <BulleTime> might be a unity issue
Sep 27 20:08:08 <BulleTime> but thanks anyhow. i just go ahead and test some more
Sep 27 20:08:23 <BulleTime> ill come back tomorrow or day after and tell u
Sep 27 20:11:38 <BulleTime> hope to see u around
Sep 27 20:12:06 <BulleTime> not sure what time zones ure guys on though
Sep 27 20:12:16 <BulleTime> its 22:12 here
Sep 27 20:12:50 <marsilainen> I'm on UTC+01:00
Sep 27 20:13:27 <BulleTime> UTC sounds far away from me heh :)
Sep 27 20:13:35 <KNERD> i am UTC -5
Sep 27 20:14:12 <BulleTime> GMT + 1 here
Sep 27 20:14:25 <p_l> BulleTime: UK? :)
Sep 27 20:14:34 <KNERD> oh...I am GM -5
Sep 27 20:15:29 <BulleTime> no NL
Sep 27 20:15:32 <BulleTime> p_l
Sep 27 20:15:35 <marsilainen> I'm in the UK - I think BulleTime must be somewhere else in Europe - so he's actually GMT+02:00 :)
Sep 27 20:15:55 <p_l> heh
Sep 27 20:17:15 <BulleTime> heh?
Sep 27 20:18:41 <BulleTime> just NL :)
Sep 27 20:18:50 <KNERD> Neuvo Leon!
Sep 27 20:19:04 <KNERD> He is in Spain ;-)
Sep 27 20:19:10 <BulleTime> and it is +01:00 aint?
Sep 27 20:19:26 <smallfoot-> how do i know which direction is azimuth, pitch, roll?
Sep 27 20:20:05 <KNERD> how is that a dev question?
Sep 27 20:20:25 <BulleTime> azimuth what is that?
Sep 27 20:20:26 <KNERD> azimuth is the direction uyou are facing
Sep 27 20:20:32 <BulleTime> lol :)
Sep 27 20:20:55 <KNERD> picth is the forward angle you are at. Up/down..etc
Sep 27 20:20:57 <BulleTime> u said that before i asked right KNERD?
Sep 27 20:21:12 <smallfoot-> is there any image of azimuth, pitch, roll, on a phone?
Sep 27 20:21:16 <KNERD> roll is the angle you are at side to side
Sep 27 20:21:34 <KNERD> no..i di dnot
Sep 27 20:21:39 <BulleTime> ooh :)
Sep 27 20:21:49 <lov> smallfoot-: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/SensorEvent.html
Sep 27 20:21:50 <BulleTime> u were fast then:)
Sep 27 20:22:15 <KNERD> I do have an NDK issue once my laptop settles down. Single core just not cutting it anymore.
Sep 27 20:22:48 <KNERD> got it
Sep 27 20:23:12 <KNERD> checking host system type... Invalid configuration `arm-linux-androideabi': system `androideabi' not recognized
Sep 27 20:23:12 <KNERD> aconfigure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub arm-linux-androideabi failed
Sep 27 20:23:51 <KNERD> what should the host be set at?
Sep 27 20:23:57 <KNERD> thatis not the same as the build system
Sep 27 20:27:26 <KNERD> i hear crickets
Sep 27 20:27:38 <BulleTime> i need to go to bed, so good night / day / morning or whatever heh :)
Sep 27 20:31:34 <KNERD> evenin' guvnor
Sep 27 20:45:50 <calvinchan> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12629724/encrypting-and-decrypting-android-expansion-file
Sep 27 20:46:00 <calvinchan> may anyone help me with this question?
Sep 27 20:47:44 <lov> .... yeah.
Sep 27 20:47:47 <lov> good luck with that.
Sep 27 20:47:56 <lov> (hint: assume that anything clientside is compromised, automatically)
Sep 27 21:07:33 <g00s> heh, reading this interview … seems like linus makes things complicated on purpose (like git) and gets bummed when simpletons begin to grasp it through good documentation
Sep 27 21:08:34 <ctate> err, isn't that a satire piece?
Sep 27 21:08:41 <ctate> (if it's the one i'm thinking of)
Sep 27 21:08:47 <KNERD> we'll fix him..we'll write our own kernerl
Sep 27 21:09:14 <ctate> are they still pretending that GNU will build a kernel?
Sep 27 21:09:20 <p_l> lol
Sep 27 21:09:30 <p_l> ctate: they never built one, always outsourced it
Sep 27 21:09:37 <p_l> didn't really try
Sep 27 21:09:45 <ctate> well, they sometimes like to think that hurd is something other than laughable
Sep 27 21:10:17 * ctate . o O ( what, me opinionated? )
Sep 27 21:10:53 <p_l> well... it could be, except a) it spent decades waiting for crap^WMach b) it can't decide whether to be POSIX-compatible or a new system, so it's neither and subtly breaks shit c) The architecture is afaik still shitty despite move to L4
Sep 27 21:11:13 <ctate> all of which basically adds up to my point :)
Sep 27 21:12:06 <g00s> ctate: this one? http://www.osnews.com/story/26416/Linus_Torvalds_goes_off_on_Linux_and_Git
Sep 27 21:13:25 <g00s> heh, i thought it was serious XD
Sep 27 21:13:40 <ctate> yes
Sep 27 21:13:47 * ctate |  September 25th, 2012 | Programming, Satire
Sep 27 21:14:16 * g00s headdesk
Sep 27 21:18:44 <KNERD> WTH? HTCDEV.COM?
Sep 27 21:18:49 <KNERD> "please login"
Sep 27 21:19:42 <ctate> really?  WFM.  http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
Sep 27 21:23:10 <KNERD> Downloading HTC OpenSense SDK, Android API 15, revision 2
Sep 27 21:23:10 <KNERD>  
Sep 27 21:23:10 <KNERD> Site Authentication
Sep 27 21:23:10 <KNERD> Please login to the following domain: Register for an account at http://htcdev.com
Sep 27 21:23:12 <fakingfantastic> g00s: thanks for the reference man, super eye opening
Sep 27 21:23:29 <g00s> :)
Sep 27 21:25:10 <KNERD> crap! again
Sep 27 21:25:16 <KNERD> Site Authentication Please login to the following domain: Use your MOTODEV account email and password here to access the latest Motorola add-ons. Create a free MOTODEV account at developer.motorola.com.
Sep 27 21:26:29 <SimonVT> So don't download motorola or htc packages
Sep 27 21:28:52 <gorudonu> KNERD: why do you need htc sdk?
Sep 27 21:29:32 <KNERD> who knows..all I did was to typein "sdk -update", or somethign along that line
Sep 27 21:34:04 <gorudonu> KNERD: just launch tools/android
Sep 27 21:34:09 <gorudonu> from android-sdk catalog
Sep 27 21:34:14 <gorudonu> ti will do upgrade
Sep 27 21:34:23 <KNERD> oh..i see...thanks for that
Sep 27 21:34:36 <KNERD> Now if I could only figure out this NDK problem
Sep 27 21:35:23 <KNERD> it's short so I am pasting here
Sep 27 21:35:27 <KNERD> checking build system type... i686-pc-cygwin checking host system type... Invalid configuration `arm-linux-androideabi': system `androideabi' not recognized aconfigure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub arm-linux-androideabi failed
Sep 27 21:36:00 <KNERD> should the host be i686-pc-cygwin  also?
Sep 27 21:36:01 <calvinchan> Hi, can anybody help me out with this problem?
Sep 27 21:36:07 <calvinchan> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12629724/encrypting-and-decrypting-android-expansion-file
Sep 27 21:36:38 <calvinchan> basically I wanna secure my expansion file so that only my mediplayer can read and play the video files inside the obb
Sep 27 21:37:47 <p_l> use the DRM infrastructure?
Sep 27 21:42:55 <calvinchan> p_l: have you done it in android before? i just looked it up, no revelenet examples ever done on android
Sep 27 21:43:03 <p_l> nope
Sep 27 21:43:14 <p_l> I stray away from DRM, it's unworkable in practice anyway
Sep 27 21:44:17 <calvinchan> p_l: did you try uploading api expansion file with some sort of encrpytion?
Sep 27 21:44:29 <platzhirsch> What reasons are there to set a AsyncTask reference to nulla gainst in the postExecute method? The task is run in the onCreate() method of an Activity https://github.com/ketanpatel25/GCM-Demo/blob/master/gcm/samples/gcm-demo-client/src/com/google/android/gcm/demo/app/DemoActivity.java#L94
Sep 27 21:44:40 <calvinchan> basically I just wanna set it up so that other media players cannot play videos inside my obb
Sep 27 21:45:52 <ctate> probably the best you can do is encrypt the videos and embed the decryption keys in your app
Sep 27 21:46:15 <ctate> then other apps on device won't be able to casually open up your videos
Sep 27 21:46:33 <calvinchan> ctate: hmm that's one way…..
Sep 27 21:46:51 <calvinchan> so google play themselves do not support any of theses....
Sep 27 21:46:53 <ctate> it doesn't stop people from decompiling your app and finding the keys and decrypting them the usual way, of course, but that right there is the same problem that everyone else has
Sep 27 21:47:16 <ctate> the play store doesn't know what your data is; it just provides the infrastructure for delivery
Sep 27 21:47:38 <KNERD> yeah, that is an issue with java..not much protection
Sep 27 21:47:49 <calvinchan> ctate: if I generate my key using md5 hash, then nobody can reverse generate it
Sep 27 21:47:49 <ctate> s/java/ computes/
Sep 27 21:47:53 <ctate> it's hardly a java issue
Sep 27 21:48:00 <evancharlton> calvinchan: a) md5 is insecure
Sep 27 21:48:09 <KNERD> it's easy to get the source code for java
Sep 27 21:48:12 <evancharlton> b) just run strings on your binary and you can find it
Sep 27 21:48:21 <ctate> calvinchan:  like i said: we're talking about classic software piracy techniques; they just disassemble / decompile your app and find the keys
Sep 27 21:48:52 <ctate> all you can really do, if you even care that much, is put in some moderate obstacles to prevent casual use
Sep 27 21:49:12 <gorudonu> KNERD: I cant help you, seems like you use windows
Sep 27 21:49:15 <calvinchan> ctate: evancharlton: why doesn't md5 work?
Sep 27 21:49:34 <ctate> you could provide the decryption keys via a license check, for example, if you want to go a bit further; then you can't just decompile your app to find the keys
Sep 27 21:49:47 <evancharlton> calvinchan: it's not collision resistant
Sep 27 21:49:57 <ctate> also, md5 isn't encryption; it's a hash.
Sep 27 21:50:00 <evancharlton> calvinchan: how would md5 help you, anyway?
Sep 27 21:50:38 <calvinchan> if I store my passkey directly in code, people can use decompile my code and find the key
Sep 27 21:50:50 <calvinchan> but if I use hash, they cannot reverse engineer??
Sep 27 21:51:21 <ctate> um, honestly it sounds like you aren't really familiar with encryption and what digital hashes *are*
Sep 27 21:51:50 <arroid> why would you block ppl from viewing your videos in the first place
Sep 27 21:51:52 <ctate> a hash, like an md5 hash or a SHA1 or wahtever, generates what you might think of as the "fingerprint" of a chunk of data
Sep 27 21:52:02 <evancharlton> yeah, what ctate said. What you just said has impressive-sounding words, but ones which don't make any sense
Sep 27 21:52:03 <calvinchan> yes
Sep 27 21:52:06 <arroid> if they are so top secret, store them on your server and stream them
Sep 27 21:52:11 <ctate> it isn't the data itself; it's some way of positively identifying that the data you're looking at is what you expect.
Sep 27 21:52:32 <calvinchan> correcct
Sep 27 21:53:00 <evancharlton> calvinchan: so how would hashing anything help in this case?
Sep 27 21:53:03 <evancharlton> like, at all
Sep 27 21:53:24 <calvinchan> my bad, very little understanding on encryption
Sep 27 21:53:43 <arroid> why would you want to encrypt your videos anyway
Sep 27 21:54:08 <ctate> to stop people from extracting and redistributing them, i'm guessing
Sep 27 21:54:14 <calvinchan> yes
Sep 27 21:54:20 <calvinchan> I found this on stackoverflow
Sep 27 21:54:20 <calvinchan> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6788018/android-encryption-decryption-with-aes
Sep 27 21:54:31 <calvinchan> wonder if this can be of any use in my case
Sep 27 21:54:36 <arroid> ctate: of course... but why embed them in your app then anyway
Sep 27 21:54:48 <ctate> one-time network cost?
Sep 27 21:54:50 <calvinchan> arroid: I have too many videos to embedd
Sep 27 21:54:52 <ctate> it's not my app!
Sep 27 21:55:05 <calvinchan> I need to use api expansion file
Sep 27 21:55:19 <ctate> calvinchan:  he's wondering why you aren't just streaming them on demand
Sep 27 21:55:29 <ctate> arroid:  that requires, y'know, network infrastructure
Sep 27 21:55:35 <ctate> and is slow
Sep 27 21:55:39 <ctate> and doesn't work on airplanes
Sep 27 21:55:40 <ctate> etc etc etc
Sep 27 21:55:43 <arroid> I thought cloud is the future
Sep 27 21:55:45 <calvinchan> oh, because streaming require internet access, not the requirement for my app
Sep 27 21:56:18 <calvinchan> don't want rouse personal server to handle it
Sep 27 21:56:26 <arroid> calvinchan: what does your app do? the only thing I could imagine with this requirement is some kind of workout app with videos in it :D or a cocking book :D
Sep 27 21:57:01 <calvinchan> ctate: in that link the answer lists out two methods: encrpty  and decrypt
Sep 27 21:57:12 <calvinchan> so I would encrypt when I upload the file
Sep 27 21:57:23 <calvinchan> and decrypt when I actually read the file to extract videos and play?
Sep 27 21:57:38 <calvinchan> arroid: nothing exotic about videos :P
Sep 27 21:58:52 <calvinchan> is that the correct way to do it?
Sep 27 21:59:01 <calvinchan> but I have an obb file
Sep 27 21:59:04 <ctate> you would encrypt the video beforehand
Sep 27 21:59:18 <ctate> and build the encrypted version into your expansion file
Sep 27 21:59:24 <ctate> then put that on the play store etc
Sep 27 21:59:36 <ctate> then, in your app, you would decrypt the data of the file as you read it
Sep 27 22:00:05 <calvinchan> oh one question, how can I encrypt videos beforehand?
Sep 27 22:00:09 <calvinchan> that gets me very confsued
Sep 27 22:10:09 <meetoman> JakwWharton, are you here?
Sep 27 22:10:18 <meetoman> crap
Sep 27 22:11:45 <p_l> calvinchan: use any encryption method you want, then feed the decrypted stream into mediaplayer
Sep 27 22:49:13 <platzhirsch> What is the recommended way of accesing my main activity from within the SettingsActivity?
Sep 27 22:53:44 <evancharlton> platzhirsch: don't.
Sep 27 22:54:48 <platzhirsch> evancharlton: hah, thought so. Well I don't know after all I guess
Sep 27 22:55:41 <platzhirsch> evancharlton: the thing is I wanted to execute a method after the preferences have changed and this method resides in the main activity, but I can check whether preferences have changed in onResume() on the main activity. Hopefully that's the way its done normally
Sep 27 22:56:14 <evancharlton> platzhirsch: yeah, that or use startActivityForResult
Sep 27 22:57:43 <platzhirsch> evancharlton: in the latter case the data is in the passed intent?
Sep 27 22:59:12 <platzhirsch> k I have read it up in the document
Sep 27 23:19:01 <jfisk87> hey guys
Sep 27 23:19:09 <jfisk87> is there a doc that shows all the UI android components?
Sep 27 23:19:17 <jfisk87> i havent done android dev since 2.2
Sep 27 23:20:21 <KNERD> yeah,.. /sdk/docs
Sep 27 23:22:08 <gorudonu> jfisk87: yes
Sep 27 23:22:57 <gorudonu> http://developer.android.com/design/index.html
Sep 27 23:23:02 <gorudonu> this one is good
Sep 27 23:24:16 <Tobias|> haven't actually read that before, gorudonu, cool.
Sep 27 23:24:21 <jfisk87> ty
Sep 27 23:26:06 <gorudonu> Tobias|: it's there since 4.x
Sep 27 23:26:27 <Sicp> well, I love you all.
Sep 27 23:26:31 <Tobias|> gorudonu: I only started playing around with android around a week ago :P
Sep 27 23:26:37 <gorudonu> Tobias|: ok
Sep 27 23:26:45 <gorudonu> I have zte blade so I have 2.3.7 ....
Sep 27 23:26:48 <gorudonu> unfortunelly
Sep 27 23:26:56 <Sicp> unfortunately
Sep 27 23:27:00 <gorudonu> Sicp: thanks
Sep 27 23:27:10 <Sicp> thank YOU for existing
Sep 27 23:27:18 <gorudonu> I stopped thinking...
Sep 27 23:27:24 <gorudonu> too late
Sep 27 23:27:32 <Sicp> deep.
Sep 27 23:27:47 <gorudonu> Sicp: I think you should thank my mom :)
Sep 27 23:27:49 <gorudonu> and dad
Sep 27 23:32:36 <Sicp> one of the hottest things out there, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgW9B7a-Fb4&feature=related
Sep 27 23:32:41 <Sicp> SFW
Sep 27 23:33:04 <Sicp> there should be an android-offtopic, seriousl
Sep 27 23:33:05 <Sicp> +y
Sep 27 23:33:16 <Sicp> hey! there is one!
Sep 27 23:33:26 <Sicp> redirects to #justsayin?
Sep 27 23:33:34 <gorudonu> why are you talking to yourself...
Sep 27 23:33:44 <Sicp> well, I am on acid.
Sep 27 23:33:50 <Sicp> I have a very valid excuse
Sep 27 23:38:07 <gorudonu> Sicp: seems legit
Sep 27 23:38:16 <gorudonu> Tobias|: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jCVmfCse1E&feature=plcp
Sep 27 23:38:35 <Tobias|> gorudonu: awesome, thanks
Sep 27 23:38:51 <Tobias|> Will give it a watch once I'm through reading this
Sep 27 23:38:56 <gorudonu> should be helpful
Sep 27 23:39:02 <gorudonu> I prefer watching than reading
Sep 27 23:43:16 <Sicp> by the way, this is the Facebook app pop-out menu slider I was looking for
Sep 27 23:43:19 <Sicp> earlier
Sep 27 23:43:21 <Sicp> http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/topic/270319-how-to-create-a-slide-in-menulist-like-in-facebook-app/
Sep 27 23:43:23 <Sicp> it works perfectly
Sep 27 23:43:29 <Sicp> and it's pure Java
Sep 28 00:04:34 <Jamesst20> Hi
Sep 28 00:04:34 <Jamesst20> Does anyone knows how to add 'Screenshot' button to power menu?
Sep 28 00:05:45 <gorudonu> I've always had it
Sep 28 00:05:49 <gorudonu> I think so
Sep 28 00:26:56 <Jamesst20> Does anyone knows how to add 'Screenshot' button to power menu?
Sep 28 00:27:04 <Jamesst20> into AOSP
Sep 28 00:30:54 <Leeds> Jamesst20: wrong channel... and AOSP uses power+volume for screenshots nowadays
Sep 28 00:40:15 <alexfu> I keep getting this strange exception: "09-27 20:39:17.533: E/AndroidRuntime(9791): Caused by: java.lang.NumberFormatException: unable to parse '@2131427422' as integer" The integer in question points to a style I have defined: https://gist.github.com/3797299
Sep 28 00:41:02 <alexfu> I cant figure out why this exception is being thrown
Sep 28 00:41:54 <Leeds> ecret: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html is one thing you will need to understand...
Sep 28 00:42:16 <ecret> Leeds: great thanks!
Sep 28 00:42:25 <ron_frown> isnt that number too big for an int
Sep 28 00:42:28 <ron_frown> eg, needs to be a long
Sep 28 00:44:41 <alexfu> ron_frown, possibly but I dont understand why all of a sudden it's throwing the exception. If i take out the 'android:textSyle' attribute, everything works fine.
Sep 28 00:50:22 <mrenouf|work> ron_frown, thats in range. 2^31 == 2,147,483647
Sep 28 00:50:33 <mrenouf|work> er 2,147,483,647
Sep 28 00:51:52 <alexfu> here's the whole stacktrace https://gist.github.com/3797353
Sep 28 00:53:34 <mrenouf|work> "@2131427421" is certainly not an integer
Sep 28 00:53:45 <ron_frown> hahah
Sep 28 00:53:47 <ron_frown> good point
Sep 28 00:53:51 <mrenouf|work> you got an extra "@" in there?
Sep 28 00:54:28 <alexfu> mrenouf, no. here is how I am using and defining my style. https://gist.github.com/3797299
Sep 28 00:55:26 <alexfu> mrenouf|work,  it was working... then all of a sudden. boom, this exception is popping up.
Sep 28 00:57:14 <alexfu> not sure what else to do.
Sep 28 00:59:18 <alexfu> oh shoot
Sep 28 01:00:19 <alexfu> i'm using it incorrectly.. damn. silly mistake
Sep 28 01:02:04 <alexfu> should be 'style' not 'android:textStyle'
Sep 28 01:43:16 <Necrosan> Having an issue where I can't get any keyboard to come up. No errors in logcat besides this - W/InputManagerService( 1957): Window already focused, ignoring focus gain of: com.android.internal.view.IInputMethodClient$Stub$Proxy@414c0190
Sep 28 01:44:08 <sampullman> in what situation?
Sep 28 01:44:33 <Necrosan> In all situations. Not sure what is grabbing focus.
Sep 28 01:45:00 <sampullman> when you click an editText?
Sep 28 01:45:06 <Necrosan> Yep. Anywhere.
Sep 28 01:45:07 <sampullman> i see that error in the logs all the time
Sep 28 01:45:17 <Necrosan> OK - maybe there's no error at all then.
Sep 28 01:45:40 <sampullman> maybe you've disabled the soft keyboard in your manifest?
Sep 28 01:45:52 <Necrosan> Nope. Not the issue for sure.
Sep 28 01:46:05 <sampullman> is it just one activity, or all apps?
Sep 28 01:46:43 <Necrosan> Everything - doing a port of a particular ROM.
Sep 28 01:47:05 <sampullman> well, that's good to know
Sep 28 01:47:29 <Necrosan> Yeah. Where would you start if you had no errors in your logs tracing something like this?
Sep 28 01:47:50 <sampullman> #android-root
Sep 28 01:48:03 <Necrosan> There is no one that can help me there ;)
Sep 28 01:48:21 <Jug6ernaut> no1 thats talking ;)
Sep 28 01:49:03 <Necrosan> What is the intent that's triggered when I enter an edit text field to bring up the keyboard?
Sep 28 01:49:32 <Jug6ernaut> i dont think there is one
Sep 28 01:49:48 <Necrosan> Hrm. What is 'listening' then?
Sep 28 01:49:50 <Jug6ernaut> an intent that is, not a public one at least, its done through requesting focus
Sep 28 01:50:09 <Necrosan> okay - is there a particular method I should be searching for?
Sep 28 01:50:28 <sampullman> maybe the wrong view is consuming the click
Sep 28 01:50:32 <sampullman> could be many things...
Sep 28 01:50:51 <Necrosan> sampullman: Yeah, gotta love the no log factor. :/
Sep 28 01:51:05 <Necrosan> There's no hidden extra verbose logging option I'm not seeing?
Sep 28 01:51:10 <Necrosan> (one can only wish...)
Sep 28 01:51:20 <sampullman> V/ is verbose logging
Sep 28 01:51:57 <sampullman> that's the lowest priority, so if you can see that i think you can see everything
Sep 28 02:01:39 <g00s> heh "Is It Just Me Or Is Everything Shit?", John … everything is shit
Sep 28 02:02:23 <helichopter> Hey guys, in my app, whenever I click on an EditText, the soft keyboard comes up as expected, but I want the keyboard to hide whenever I click anywhere that isn't the keyboard or EditText. Any help?
Sep 28 02:02:26 <ctate> g00s:  untrue!
Sep 28 02:02:35 <ctate> 80% of everything is crap.
Sep 28 02:02:42 <ctate> that is the canonical figure
Sep 28 02:03:32 <g00s> ctate: so when are you going on video to do gangnam style ?
Sep 28 02:03:44 <g00s> was it tomorrow ?
Sep 28 02:05:37 <g00s> if eric schmidt can do it, you can too !
Sep 28 02:07:14 <ctate> ... never?
Sep 28 02:07:28 <g00s> :(
Sep 28 02:07:29 <ctate> i *can* go play in traffic too; but i like to think i'm more sensible than that.  ;)
Sep 28 02:08:03 * ctate liked gangnam style when it was called wherethehellismatt
Sep 28 02:08:11 <Leeds> but it would get lots of hits on youtube!
Sep 28 02:08:22 <Leeds> (the gangnam, or the playing in traffic - either way is good)
Sep 28 02:08:30 <ctate> "hits" like "take out a hit on"
Sep 28 02:09:19 <KNERD> gangnam gu
Sep 28 02:09:24 <Leeds> yup, that too
Sep 28 02:09:47 <KNERD> LOL that is a district in the city of Seoul
Sep 28 02:10:11 <Leeds> yes, that's what the song is about
Sep 28 02:13:42 <Devastator> speaking about gangnam style, ohio university marching band did a pretty good presentation :P
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