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Sep 30 03:29:40 <Mgamerz> does anyone know the galaxy nexus channel?
Sep 30 03:31:29 <lasserix> How do you disable the actionbar without disabling the notification bar?
Sep 30 03:43:37 <tnzr> does anyone have a nexus 7 and find that it doesn't seem to "dim" the screen (instead of sleeping) when you have "never sleep while charging" set in Developer Options?
Sep 30 03:43:56 <tnzr> not sure why I put dim in quotes
Sep 30 03:43:57 <tnzr> :)
Sep 30 03:44:12 <jeppy> do other devices dim?
Sep 30 03:44:20 <tnzr> my galaxy nexus does
Sep 30 03:44:25 <jeppy> oh
Sep 30 03:44:34 <tnzr> it gets nice and dark, almost looks like the screen turns off
Sep 30 03:45:27 <tnzr> i have that checked because the onPause() and onResume() seem to wreak havoc on any kind of testing taht involves making api calls in onResume()
Sep 30 03:46:14 <tnzr> err, sleeping seems to, not the actual methods :)
Sep 30 04:05:53 <ron_frown> oi oi oi
Sep 30 04:15:29 <KNERD> oui oui oui
Sep 30 04:36:03 <jeppy> is there an ad service that allows only specific ads? i'm doing an app for a non-profit and they only want to show ads from certain sponsors.
Sep 30 04:50:12 <F41L> I'm curious... is it possible to bridge the 4/3g connection out to wireless. Not tethering via working as a hotspot. But actually connecting as a client to a network, and manually using the phone's ip as a gateway
Sep 30 06:23:24 <Snuupy> eclipse just ate up 1.5GB of my RAM.
Sep 30 06:23:27 <Snuupy> Is this supposed to happen?
Sep 30 06:23:31 <Snuupy> I had 1 project open o_O
Sep 30 06:24:01 <Leeds> were you using the RAM for something else, something *more important* than Eclipse?
Sep 30 06:24:36 <Snuupy> Yeah, web browsing.
Sep 30 06:25:00 <Snuupy> Also, while creating an android project, it would insert mutliple copies of manifests, inside the same manifest file
Sep 30 06:25:25 <Leeds> nah, Eclipse is *much* more important than some silly web browser...
Sep 30 06:25:32 <Snuupy> lol
Sep 30 06:25:45 <Leeds> I don't actually use it, but it's a big beefy Java application, and it likes a lot of RAM :)
Sep 30 06:25:56 <Snuupy> bleh >_>
Sep 30 06:25:58 <Snuupy> everyone uses it
Sep 30 06:26:08 <Snuupy> it's hard to follow tutorials without using it
Sep 30 06:26:35 <Snuupy> what the heck...
Sep 30 06:26:39 <Leeds> not everyone uses it... there's quite a few people using intellij, apparently, and plenty of us using no IDE at al
Sep 30 06:26:43 <Leeds> anyway, lunchtime
Sep 30 06:26:56 <g00s> my eclipe typically starts off about about 350 mb and grows to no more than 550 mb
Sep 30 06:27:09 <ron_frown> fuck eclipse dude
Sep 30 06:27:16 <g00s> stfu !
Sep 30 06:27:27 <jrockjiggz> ron_frown: then dont use it lol
Sep 30 06:27:33 <ron_frown> I dont
Sep 30 06:27:36 <jrockjiggz> ron_frown: good for you
Sep 30 06:27:42 <jrockjiggz> I think its great
Sep 30 06:27:42 <Snuupy> Leeds: no IDE at all? How does one live without the error checking?!
Sep 30 06:27:57 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/30Jdf.png
Sep 30 06:27:57 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/7Vp9F.png
Sep 30 06:28:01 <Snuupy> This makes no sense to me.
Sep 30 06:28:10 <Snuupy> I just created a new android project, and this is what it gives me.
Sep 30 06:28:13 <Snuupy> What the hell =\
Sep 30 06:28:16 <Looney> eclipse is really not worth the memory it hogs imho
Sep 30 06:28:29 <tmandry> Eclipse regularly uses close to a gig for me
Sep 30 06:28:36 <Snuupy> lol, lemmie preview that screen for you
Sep 30 06:28:36 <g00s> but i confess, all i have is the JDT + ADT
Sep 30 06:28:38 <tmandry> get rid of plugins you don't use
Sep 30 06:28:45 <Snuupy> oh, you wanna edit the code? Ha, that file isn't there
Sep 30 06:28:49 <jrockjiggz> ram is cheap man.. last week you could buy 8GB DIMM for $20.. no joke
Sep 30 06:29:03 * Snuupy ** WinSys ** Client: HexChat 2.9.1 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  ** CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU       T4500  @ 2.30GHz (2.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3002 MB Total (672 MB Free) ** VGA: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family ** Uptime: 41.49 Hours **
Sep 30 06:29:16 <Snuupy> eclipse is using 300MB
Sep 30 06:30:29 <shmooz> my eclipse is at 482 mb and the emulator at 428 mb
Sep 30 06:30:38 <g00s> thats pretty normal
Sep 30 06:31:05 <Snuupy> oh, weird
Sep 30 06:31:22 <Snuupy> did they change the default page of the app when you created a new one in eclipse after the upgrade?
Sep 30 06:31:33 <Snuupy> I remember it used to be a dark screen going, "Hello World"
Sep 30 06:31:43 <Snuupy> and now it's a white screen with centered "Hello World"
Sep 30 06:31:55 <Snuupy> used to be a linearlayout too, now it's a relative one o_o
Sep 30 06:33:12 <lime> hey hey
Sep 30 06:33:59 <Snuupy> Oh, it's because of     <style name="AppTheme" parent="android:Theme.Light" />
Sep 30 06:34:22 <lime> anyone around with basic knowledge in live wallpapers?
Sep 30 06:35:39 <Snuupy> Why do they have a android:Theme.Light, but not a android:Theme.Dark?
Sep 30 06:35:49 <EPG> Snuupy, Black
Sep 30 06:36:01 <Snuupy> EPG: where can I find a reference to this?
Sep 30 06:38:28 <c_nick> My Class has 3 functions which use Connection Manager So should i get a reference to Connection Manager in the constructor and save it as a class variable and use everywhere or individually independently use it in functions ? The difference does not seem much but i would like to know the right approach to it.
Sep 30 06:39:34 <EPG> Snuupy, maybe here https://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.style.html
Sep 30 06:39:44 <Snuupy> thanks, EPG
Sep 30 06:40:18 <EPG> Snuupy, however, read this: https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/themes.html#PlatformStyles
Sep 30 06:40:26 <EPG> it says that R.style isn't well documented
Sep 30 06:40:46 <Snuupy> damn it
Sep 30 06:40:46 <Snuupy> lol
Sep 30 06:41:42 <EPG> gtg, cu
Sep 30 06:41:51 <Snuupy> thanks EPG
Sep 30 06:41:54 <Snuupy> that helped
Sep 30 06:49:19 <c_nick> can someone help me out
Sep 30 06:53:14 <c_nick> My Class has 3 functions which use Connection Manager So should i get a reference to Connection Manager in the constructor and save it as a class variable and use everywhere or individually independently use it in functions ? The difference does not seem much but i would like to know the right approach to it.
Sep 30 06:54:03 <vavirta> connection manager as in connectivitymanager? :o
Sep 30 06:57:08 <c_nick> yes
Sep 30 06:57:19 <c_nick> vavirta: basically any reference to a system object
Sep 30 07:04:21 <lime> hmm, in a basic project.. where do i drop the actual code? after i've set up androidmanifest.xml and some strings?
Sep 30 07:06:04 <KNERD> lime: looks like someone has not even bothered to even look at the billions of pages of documentation Google has created
Sep 30 07:06:20 <lime> that is very true :)
Sep 30 07:07:04 <lime> but i'm trying to read as little documentation as possible
Sep 30 07:07:17 <lime> cause it'll only scare me off
Sep 30 07:07:29 <KNERD> BOO!!
Sep 30 07:07:47 * lime runs away
Sep 30 07:07:50 <lime> aaaanyway
Sep 30 07:08:17 <lime> i just wanna get to the fun part asap
Sep 30 07:09:06 <lime> but since i only know basic javascript/php it has turned out to be a bigger adventure than i had expected :D
Sep 30 07:09:27 <lime> so.. care to help me getting started maybe?
Sep 30 07:09:49 <lime> or were your only intention of replying to let me know how much cooler you are?
Sep 30 07:09:50 <KNERD> DEVELOPER.ANDRIOD,COM
Sep 30 07:10:33 <KNERD> That "question" is like a student coming on here and asking,
Sep 30 07:10:48 <vavirta> c_nick: you can get the manager like
Sep 30 07:10:48 <vavirta> (ConnectivityManager) getSystemService(Context.CONNECTIVITY_SERVICE);
Sep 30 07:10:59 <Leeds> lime: you're going to need to learn some Java... and you're going to need to learn
Sep 30 07:10:59 <KNERD> I got an assignment due in two hours...can someone help me with it, and with some comments on the code too?
Sep 30 07:11:00 <ron_frown> writing my first intellij plugin so I can get adoption of community edition at work
Sep 30 07:11:16 <vavirta> so for my opinion, I wouldn't create class-variable from that
Sep 30 07:11:29 <vavirta> s/for/in
Sep 30 07:11:32 <lime> i know i might be asking for alot
Sep 30 07:12:00 <lime> however, i am assuming that the basics of live wallpapers should be quite simple
Sep 30 07:12:16 <lime> and most people who hang around these edges knows this by heart
Sep 30 07:12:39 <vavirta> I bet there is alot of tutorials in the interwebs
Sep 30 07:12:44 <vavirta> and in android documentation etc
Sep 30 07:12:54 <lime> there are lots of tutorials :D
Sep 30 07:12:55 <c_nick> yes vavirta
Sep 30 07:13:07 <vavirta> if you know only javascript and php, good luck
Sep 30 07:13:07 <c_nick> i can get it from getSystemService which i believe is a static variable
Sep 30 07:13:08 <lime> and i'm reading one atm, but after setting up the basics it moves straight on to the code
Sep 30 07:13:15 <lime> but i dunno where to put the code :D
Sep 30 07:13:30 <vavirta> learn some java, read alot of tutorials and docc. That's the way all others are doing this stuff
Sep 30 07:13:33 <KNERD> This is not an online classroom, but where people need assistance with problems
Sep 30 07:14:18 <vavirta> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Sep 30 07:14:25 <vavirta> here you are, start from there!
Sep 30 07:14:32 <lime> i kinda agree KNERD
Sep 30 07:14:41 <c_nick> lime: This is what you need http://developer.android.com/about/start.html
Sep 30 07:14:46 <KNERD> lime: show us your stack trace
Sep 30 07:14:55 <lime> stack trace? :D
Sep 30 07:15:28 <vavirta> c_nick: getSystemService is function from Context-class
Sep 30 07:15:28 <KNERD> lime: go to the web site..it shows you how to make your first app in seconds
Sep 30 07:15:30 <lime> i'm not asking for you to build me a complete app.. i just hoped there was a simple way of getting past all the boring stuff
Sep 30 07:15:42 <lime> i'm checking it out
Sep 30 07:15:42 <vavirta> the boring stuff is part of coding
Sep 30 07:15:55 <Leeds> lime: short answer, no - coding isn't easy, you need to spend some time learning
Sep 30 07:15:56 <KNERD> yeah..hundreds of hours of bordom
Sep 30 07:16:08 <c_nick> lime: if(boringstuff){ do; }else{ quit();}
Sep 30 07:16:15 <KNERD> heh
Sep 30 07:16:23 <lime> i'm one of those rare people who actually enjoy coding :D ...as soon as i've got the basics down
Sep 30 07:16:45 <vavirta> after you've gained some understanding about what you are trying to do, even the boring parts will become more interesting
Sep 30 07:17:02 <Leeds> that's not rare, and neither is laziness
Sep 30 07:17:08 <Snuupy> is there a way to align an textbox below an image?
Sep 30 07:17:19 <lime> hehe, fair enough leeds..
Sep 30 07:17:30 <Leeds> Snuupy: that's what layouts do
Sep 30 07:17:32 <vavirta> Snuupy: with RelativeLayout that should be pretty easy
Sep 30 07:17:38 <lime> at least i got you guys talking for once :D
Sep 30 07:17:40 <Snuupy> also, if I were to get someone to click an image, and make it make a sound, would that be an image button, or imageview?
Sep 30 07:17:51 <Snuupy> Leeds: I tried that, but the image took up the whole screen =\
Sep 30 07:18:01 <Snuupy> and the text wouldn't be displayed, lol
Sep 30 07:18:02 <Leeds> then you were doing it wrong, of course
Sep 30 07:18:10 <Snuupy> yeah, I don't know why
Sep 30 07:18:11 <vavirta> which layout were yu using?
Sep 30 07:18:13 <Snuupy> lemmie resize the image
Sep 30 07:18:15 <vavirta> you*
Sep 30 07:18:17 <Snuupy> RelativeLayout
Sep 30 07:18:24 <Snuupy>         android:layout_width="wrap_content"
Sep 30 07:18:24 <Snuupy>         android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Sep 30 07:19:49 <lime> hmm, this guide doesn't seem all that terrible.. so just to be sure, a live wallpaper is basically the same thing as an app, just with 'different' features?
Sep 30 07:20:47 <lime> ..and from a professional point of view.. how long would you estimate it would take me to get through the basics?
Sep 30 07:21:03 <vavirta> if you just introduced yourself with android programming, I'd start with basic app
Sep 30 07:21:08 <vavirta> not with a live wallpaper
Sep 30 07:21:14 <KNERD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g
Sep 30 07:21:25 <vavirta> and from a professional point of view, it depends how bad-ass coder you are
Sep 30 07:21:41 <lime> but..but.. live wallpapers is the reason i even installed all of this stuff
Sep 30 07:21:53 <lime> i basically just wanna push around some png's
Sep 30 07:21:59 <lime> :D
Sep 30 07:22:10 <Leeds> from a professional point of view - months
Sep 30 07:22:42 <lime> you guys are so motivational <3
Sep 30 07:22:47 <vavirta> well, the sad part about devloping all kind of things is, that first you need to learn basics
Sep 30 07:23:01 <KNERD> and not knowing java.....years
Sep 30 07:23:34 <Leeds> KNERD: well, he knows a little javascript, and that's the same, right?
Sep 30 07:23:48 <KNERD> heh...only in name
Sep 30 07:23:50 <lime> lol
Sep 30 07:23:56 <lime> i know it's nothing alike
Sep 30 07:24:05 <lime> i can set a variable in Java, heh
Sep 30 07:24:25 <lime> the rest google should be able to explain to me
Sep 30 07:24:26 <vavirta> do you know something about object oriented programming?
Sep 30 07:24:33 <lime> none at all
Sep 30 07:24:41 <vavirta> ok, then you should start about there
Sep 30 07:24:58 <vavirta> forgot android, and start to learn some bascis about objects, inheritance etc.
Sep 30 07:25:05 <vavirta> basics*
Sep 30 07:25:10 <KNERD> it is like structs, but a lot more
Sep 30 07:25:23 <vavirta> then you can start to learn the basics of Android-platform
Sep 30 07:25:41 <vavirta> and then you might wanna try to create some live wallpapers
Sep 30 07:26:05 <vavirta> I'd think that's the roadmap for you, how to learn to create live wallpapers
Sep 30 07:26:31 <lime> hmm, sounds kinda frightening
Sep 30 07:26:46 <vavirta> well, maybe that's why everybody in the world isn't doing android-stuff
Sep 30 07:26:50 <Leeds> frightening is good
Sep 30 07:26:59 <lime> good point vavirta :)
Sep 30 07:27:13 <Leeds> lime: go to http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/ and don't come back for a week or two
Sep 30 07:27:24 <lime> but still, most of the people i know think html is mumbo jumbo
Sep 30 07:27:46 <vavirta> mumbo jumbo?
Sep 30 07:27:53 <lime> hehe, i have already plugged #android-dev into my irc client.. you wont get rid of me this easy :D
Sep 30 07:28:09 <lime> vavirta, moonspeak, gibberish..
Sep 30 07:28:11 <Leeds> we might...
Sep 30 07:28:27 <lime> you could ofc +b me
Sep 30 07:34:14 <Snuupy> my image is too large for my screen, how do I scale down the image automatically?
Sep 30 07:34:45 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/S1XO0.png
Sep 30 07:34:56 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/S1XO0.png
Sep 30 07:35:01 <Snuupy> whoops, wrong image
Sep 30 07:35:01 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/N7gye.png
Sep 30 07:35:20 <Snuupy> is it a parameter I have to add?
Sep 30 07:39:16 <vavirta> Snuupy: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ImageView.html
Sep 30 07:39:24 <Snuupy> oh
Sep 30 07:39:26 <Snuupy> I used imagebutton
Sep 30 07:39:31 <vavirta> you might try maxHeight and maxWidth
Sep 30 07:39:58 <Snuupy> okay
Sep 30 07:40:00 <vavirta> well, it is subclass from imageview
Sep 30 07:40:00 <Snuupy> thanks
Sep 30 07:45:49 <Waraudon> This might actually be more of a regular Java question, but I'm parsing the National Weather Service ATOM feeds in an Android app and I was wondering what the best way is to take the date-time format from the feed (ex. 2012-09-29T21:44:00-07:00) and convert it into a more human-readable format
Sep 30 07:47:47 <Waraudon> I assume that I'm going to have to work with regular expressions
Sep 30 07:49:13 <vavirta> nope
Sep 30 07:49:19 <JakeWharton> use a DateFormat to parse
Sep 30 07:49:36 <JakeWharton> and yes, that is a regular Java question and it likely very Google-able
Sep 30 08:08:42 <Waraudon> Looks like I got it using SimpleDateFormat
Sep 30 08:09:08 <lime> hi again :)
Sep 30 08:09:22 <lime> so how come this line keeps giving me errors? -->     <EditText android:id="@+id/edit_message"
Sep 30 08:10:37 <lime> oh, nevermind
Sep 30 08:10:39 <KNERD> because you did not read the tutorial enough ;-)
Sep 30 08:11:10 <lime> yeah lol, i just that part about it having to be before     </LinearLayout>
Sep 30 08:11:18 <lime> alright, alright.. moving on
Sep 30 08:12:47 <lime> so...whenever i use the 'run' function, i get a screen with a flashing 'android' logo
Sep 30 08:13:08 <lime> did i setup my virtual device wrong?
Sep 30 08:14:49 <KNERD> takes a whilw to boot
Sep 30 08:15:14 <lime> oh.. so that's just the loading screen?
Sep 30 08:16:18 <KNERD> KNERD: maybe this will help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nuXlW0ZbA
Sep 30 08:17:00 <lime> naah, rock doesn't cut it for me
Sep 30 08:17:39 <lime> auuww maaan.. "unfortunately my first app has stopped"
Sep 30 08:18:08 <KNERD> not rock, but the MESAAGE
Sep 30 08:18:36 <lime> ye ye, i get the patience part ;)
Sep 30 08:19:14 <KNERD> go take your Adderal
Sep 30 08:19:23 <lime> addewhat?
Sep 30 08:22:17 <KNERD> or Ritalin?
Sep 30 08:22:30 <lime> i googled it..
Sep 30 08:22:56 <lime> but yeah, i don't suffer from ADHD, i've been tested ;)
Sep 30 08:23:20 <KNERD> false negative
Sep 30 08:23:21 <lime> just plain old lack of patience + lazy
Sep 30 08:23:43 <KNERD> sounds like ADHD to me
Sep 30 08:24:41 <lime> sure, sure
Sep 30 08:24:54 <lime> but that's because you don't know very much about mental illnesses
Sep 30 08:25:15 <KNERD> yeah suuuree mister ADHD
Sep 30 08:25:22 <lime> :D
Sep 30 08:26:02 <lime> back to business though, which explanations can there be to my app stopping when trying to run it?
Sep 30 08:26:05 <KNERD> it;s not a mental illness , but a brain checmistry issue...phyical
Sep 30 08:26:06 <KNERD> ha
Sep 30 08:26:24 <KNERD> stack trace
Sep 30 08:28:46 <jfpoole> lime: What error message do you see?  What does `adb logcat`  tell you?
Sep 30 08:29:51 <lime> alright, so i did a debug, and i get a million errors
Sep 30 08:30:17 <lime> where do i type in command lines? :)
Sep 30 08:30:48 <jfpoole> lime: Oh, you're using Eclipse?
Sep 30 08:30:56 <lime> yup
Sep 30 08:31:05 <jfpoole> There should be some way of examining the device log.  Not sure how off the top of my head.
Sep 30 08:31:23 <lime> alright, i'll see if i can find something
Sep 30 08:32:31 <KNERD> http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg ;-)
Sep 30 08:32:54 <lime> did you just make that?
Sep 30 08:33:26 <KNERD> no
Sep 30 08:33:57 <lime> hehe, alright
Sep 30 08:34:14 <lime> i'm trying to figure out how i get to this stack trace
Sep 30 08:34:45 <KNERD> that is why you need tolearn java
Sep 30 08:35:20 <lime> lets just imagine it's doable without
Sep 30 08:36:13 <KNERD> letw imagw there is a reason soneone made that comic
Sep 30 08:36:26 <ron_frown> weenas
Sep 30 08:36:51 <ron_frown> finally got my rom together... jb really threw me for a loop, but until those commits get dropped, jb aosp from repo is kinda bunk
Sep 30 08:37:06 <KNERD> groovy
Sep 30 08:37:32 <vavirta> lime: unfortunately it is not doable without
Sep 30 08:39:25 <jfpoole> lime: I can think of at least a dozen different reasons why your app would crash on startup.
Sep 30 08:39:57 <jfpoole> There are many more reasons which I cannot think of.
Sep 30 08:40:09 <jfpoole> Without any sort of diagnostic information it's impossible to troubleshoot.
Sep 30 08:40:47 <lime> don't worry, i got this.. i have absoutely no idea what i'm doing..
Sep 30 08:40:50 <lime> \o/
Sep 30 08:44:59 <Snuupy> KNERD: what IS stacktrace?
Sep 30 08:48:25 * jfpoole wonders how much pain localization is going to be.
Sep 30 08:52:24 <lime> ok, ok
Sep 30 08:52:29 <lime> Make sure the Android SDK platform-tools/ directory is included in your PATH environment variable
Sep 30 08:52:38 <lime> how do i make sure of this?
Sep 30 08:53:17 <Snuupy> google "PATH environment variable"
Sep 30 08:53:26 <Snuupy> you're using mIRC
Sep 30 08:53:29 <Snuupy> so you're obviously on windows
Sep 30 08:53:45 <Snuupy> might help if you type "windows path environment variables"
Sep 30 08:54:06 <lime> alright, thanks
Sep 30 08:54:50 <Snuupy> Hmm, I don't get it
Sep 30 08:54:53 <Snuupy> my image is square
Sep 30 08:55:32 <Snuupy> http://i.imgur.com/WyfxS.png
Sep 30 08:55:37 <Snuupy> why is my selection retangular?
Sep 30 08:56:39 <lime> so should i just add ;platform-tools/ to the end of the line?
Sep 30 08:57:33 <jfpoole> Snuupy: Just because the image is square doesn't mean the view it's contained in needs to be square.
Sep 30 08:57:40 <jfpoole> Snuupy: Try resizing the view and see what happens.
Sep 30 08:57:50 <Snuupy> jfpoole: how would I do that? Into dp?
Sep 30 08:58:07 <jfpoole> Snuupy: Use your mouse? :-)
Sep 30 08:59:25 <Snuupy> jfpoole: It won't move anywhere
Sep 30 08:59:25 <Snuupy> lol
Sep 30 08:59:34 <jfpoole> Dunno, then.
Sep 30 09:00:05 <Snuupy> jfpoole: how do I make it wrap around the image, and ONLY the image?
Sep 30 09:00:17 <jfpoole> Dunno.
Sep 30 09:00:42 <Snuupy> gah
Sep 30 09:04:27 <Snuupy> jfpoole: can I have views that are like, 2/3 of the screen?
Sep 30 09:05:16 <jfpoole> Snuupy: I'd recommend reading up on how layouts work.
Sep 30 09:05:23 <Snuupy> uhm
Sep 30 09:05:24 <Snuupy> okay
Sep 30 09:05:38 <lime> [2012-09-30 11:03:55 - myfirst] Failed to install myfirst.apk on device 'emulator-5554!
Sep 30 09:05:39 <lime> [2012-09-30 11:03:55 - myfirst] (null)
Sep 30 09:06:13 <lime> and i followed the tutorial :s
Sep 30 09:09:43 <jfpoole> Snuupy: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/declaring-layout.html
Sep 30 09:11:14 <Snuupy> oh, thanks.
Sep 30 09:11:17 <Snuupy> Alright, time to sleep
Sep 30 09:11:22 <Snuupy> night
Sep 30 09:37:22 <RazielZ> Hey guys, how do I properly debug threads?
Sep 30 09:39:34 <RazielZ> Apparently my threads aren't doing anything...
Sep 30 10:00:07 <RazielZ> OOOOH.
Sep 30 10:00:14 <RazielZ> My threads weren't doing anything because I forgot .start()!
Sep 30 10:00:18 <RazielZ> ...
Sep 30 10:00:44 <SpeedEvil> :-)
Sep 30 10:01:29 <Frigolit> :>
Sep 30 10:05:42 <RazielZ> Woah.
Sep 30 10:05:50 <RazielZ> Threads make everything like 10 times faster!
Sep 30 10:06:06 <RazielZ> They also make it crash at the second or third iteration.
Sep 30 10:06:21 * RazielZ goes look what's running before it's supposed to
Sep 30 10:09:48 <tomtiger11> Anyone tell me whats wrong with this?
Sep 30 10:10:07 <tomtiger11> http://pastebin.com/wG5J3XeD
Sep 30 10:10:49 <RazielZ> Well
Sep 30 10:10:56 <RazielZ> What's wrong with it?
Sep 30 10:10:57 <RazielZ> <.<
Sep 30 10:11:45 <tomtiger11> Eclipse sdk is throwing an error, Il get it.
Sep 30 10:12:18 <tomtiger11> Multiple markers at this line
Sep 30 10:12:19 <tomtiger11> 	- Syntax error on token "(", < expected
Sep 30 10:12:19 <tomtiger11> 	- Syntax error on tokens, ConstructorHeaderName expected
Sep 30 10:12:19 <tomtiger11> 	 instead
Sep 30 10:12:31 <Leeds> which line?
Sep 30 10:12:55 <tomtiger11> 38
Sep 30 10:13:18 <RazielZ> The last }
Sep 30 10:13:23 <RazielZ> doesn't seem to close anything
Sep 30 10:13:29 <Leeds> um... do you have a bunch of code in the class without it being in a method?
Sep 30 10:13:56 <RazielZ> Yeah, apparently  locationManager.requestLocationUpdates isn't in any function/method/whatever
Sep 30 10:14:14 <tomtiger11> What do I need to do then?
Sep 30 10:14:15 <RazielZ> The } after it does end the class definition tho, that should be fine
Sep 30 10:14:47 <Leeds> tomtiger11: when do you expect the code at lines 21+ to be executed?
Sep 30 10:15:07 <RazielZ> Also, you miiight want to, uh, LocationManager locationManager = (LocationManager) this.getSystemService(Context.LOCATION_SERVICE); split this in two
Sep 30 10:15:25 <RazielZ> LocationManager locationManager = null at the start of the class, then assign it to the this. one in onCreate
Sep 30 10:15:30 <RazielZ> Assign the this. one to it *
Sep 30 10:15:39 <RazielZ> Because that might cause issues.
Sep 30 10:15:40 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: Slow down! You what?
Sep 30 10:15:46 <Leeds> tomtiger11: when do you expect the code at lines 21+ to be executed?
Sep 30 10:15:54 <tomtiger11> Leeds: Ahh, I see
Sep 30 10:16:28 <tomtiger11> Its supposed to be run at the start, so i need th shove it in the onCreate
Sep 30 10:16:37 <RazielZ> Yup
Sep 30 10:16:37 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: I need to do what?
Sep 30 10:16:49 <RazielZ> You need to split  LocationManager locationManager = (LocationManager) this.getSystemService(Context.LOCATION_SERVICE); into two things
Sep 30 10:16:52 <RazielZ> Sec
Sep 30 10:17:25 <Leeds> RazielZ: erm, why?
Sep 30 10:17:49 <RazielZ> http://pastebin.com/i4UJTTFu
Sep 30 10:18:02 <RazielZ> Because at the moment he's initializing it in the class between two functions?
Sep 30 10:18:05 <Leeds> no need to split that - Context.LOCATION_SERVICE is a constant, and you need to cast the result of the getSystemService
Sep 30 10:18:13 <RazielZ> Hmmmm
Sep 30 10:18:24 <Leeds> the issue isn't splitting that line up - the issue is the half the code is just at class level, not method
Sep 30 10:18:48 <RazielZ> That's true
Sep 30 10:18:57 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: That actually did fix that error, along with moving the code into the onCreate
Sep 30 10:19:58 <RazielZ> Note that I haven't played with locationManager before
Sep 30 10:20:11 <RazielZ> So I dunno if that's gonna do what you want it to do
Sep 30 10:20:22 <RazielZ> But hopefully it does XD
Sep 30 10:21:52 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: I'm pretty sure it will work, Just one more thing.
Sep 30 10:22:00 <sepho> How can I enable autocompletion? I mean, when I start to type a method name (like setA on Intent) automatically show me methods name, without need to use Ctrl+Space
Sep 30 10:22:16 <RazielZ> sepho, in Eclipse?
Sep 30 10:22:21 <tomtiger11> How do i set location.getLattitude as a variable?
Sep 30 10:22:41 <RazielZ> sepho, very good question! Tell me if you find the answer
Sep 30 10:22:48 <RazielZ> tomtiger11, lemme check what that returns
Sep 30 10:23:04 <sepho> RazielZ: sorry, yes
Sep 30 10:23:31 <RazielZ> double currentLatitude = location.getLatitude();
Sep 30 10:23:35 <RazielZ> should work, tomtiger11
Sep 30 10:23:43 <sepho> I used xcode at work and always show a methods name suggestions. I wish something like that
Sep 30 10:24:16 <RazielZ> I use visual studio with visualassistx and it does that, too
Sep 30 10:24:17 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: Will that work for the speed and longitude?
Sep 30 10:24:22 <RazielZ> I dunno how to do it in eclipse tho
Sep 30 10:24:35 <RazielZ> tomtiger11, longitude is also double so yes
Sep 30 10:24:37 * RazielZ checks speed
Sep 30 10:24:44 <RazielZ> speed is float
Sep 30 10:24:45 <RazielZ> So use a float
Sep 30 10:24:59 <tomtiger11> ok
Sep 30 10:25:09 <tomtiger11> and altitude?
Sep 30 10:25:24 <RazielZ> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/Location.html
Sep 30 10:25:31 <RazielZ> Try to find it yourself and I'll tell you if you got it right
Sep 30 10:25:32 <RazielZ> XD
Sep 30 10:26:56 <tomtiger11> altitude is double
Sep 30 10:27:03 <RazielZ> Yup
Sep 30 10:27:07 <tomtiger11> Yay!
Sep 30 10:28:41 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: Last thing i need to do, is write that to the screen using mTextView, And have that mTextView updated on locationChange
Sep 30 10:30:03 <RazielZ> Hmm
Sep 30 10:30:24 <RazielZ> Stick it in onLocationChanged
Sep 30 10:31:20 <RazielZ> mTextView.setText(location.getWhatever()+","+location.getOtherWhatever());
Sep 30 10:31:23 <RazielZ> Something like that
Sep 30 10:34:10 <RazielZ> Oh ffs
Sep 30 10:34:20 <sepho> If I have an app with only one service (no Activities), should I to put the service under MAIN  intent filter in the mainfest file?
Sep 30 10:37:58 <RazielZ> I would answer that, but I have no idea, since I never worked with services :[
Sep 30 10:40:03 <SimonVT> No, MAIN is for activities
Sep 30 10:40:23 <SimonVT> Depending on what your service does, you might need an activity tho
Sep 30 10:43:23 <RazielZ> 30 11:42:25.577: W/IInputConnectionWrapper(17201): getExtractedText on inactive InputConnection
Sep 30 10:43:29 <RazielZ> Am I forgetting to close something properly?
Sep 30 10:43:39 <RazielZ> I'm opening a zip off a webserver and copying its contents to a string builder
Sep 30 10:44:22 <RazielZ> Technically only on the first loaded entity because it uses the same data for all of them so it only downloads and saves the contents once
Sep 30 10:44:28 <RazielZ> But I got that after about 5 entities.
Sep 30 10:44:38 <RazielZ> Doesn't really make sense :/
Sep 30 10:44:47 <sepho> SimonVT: is for testing purposes. I've a broadcast receiver which load this service on startup, once boot is completed. And service shows a Toast with text info
Sep 30 10:45:34 <RazielZ> Or maybe
Sep 30 10:45:50 <RazielZ> Instead of trying to close it like this is some C++ thing, I should just leave it like that and let it do its thing.
Sep 30 10:45:56 <SimonVT> sepho: On 3.1+ you wont get the BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast until your app has been launched at least once (i.e. an activity is started)
Sep 30 10:47:34 <RazielZ> http://pastebin.com/14u5bJ84 is this a good way to read a zipped file?
Sep 30 10:47:36 <sepho> ops
Sep 30 10:52:49 <RazielZ> Apparently it is faster without me trying to close it
Sep 30 10:52:50 <RazielZ> lol.
Sep 30 10:52:54 <RazielZ> Dis java guy
Sep 30 10:55:44 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: That would work, Ive got the variables to put in the mTextView
Sep 30 10:56:24 <RazielZ> Then use those
Sep 30 10:59:20 <nenn3> Using sdkminversion 4 and the android-support-v4 package, how can i implement tabs to switch between fragments?
Sep 30 11:00:49 <RazielZ> Between fragments?
Sep 30 11:01:18 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: To have multiple lines, i use this, don't I: mTextView.setText(mTextView.getText().toString()  + "Altutude: " +              location.getAltitude + "\n");
Sep 30 11:01:19 <RazielZ> So tabhost won't work?
Sep 30 11:01:28 <tomtiger11> too many spaces ;)
Sep 30 11:01:38 <RazielZ> tomtiger11, newline for textview?
Sep 30 11:01:38 <RazielZ> Uuuh
Sep 30 11:01:43 <RazielZ> Lemme check, I usually use html
Sep 30 11:02:27 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: I've just got used to mTextView.getText().toString()
Sep 30 11:02:32 <RazielZ>  2 down vote accepted
Sep 30 11:02:32 <RazielZ> 	
Sep 30 11:02:32 <RazielZ> The correct notation for newline is \n not /n. TextViews in Android are multi-line enabled by default, so no other magic should be required.
Sep 30 11:02:38 <RazielZ> So yeah
Sep 30 11:02:46 <RazielZ> I guess \n should work
Sep 30 11:02:55 <nenn3> RazielZ, they might do. will check tabhost out. thanks
Sep 30 11:03:04 <RazielZ> :D
Sep 30 11:03:52 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: I remember its \n because ive made a php bot in the past, and for a new line of text it needed \n
Sep 30 11:04:33 <RazielZ> I usually just do Html.fromHtml in my textviews
Sep 30 11:04:37 <RazielZ> And use <br /> for newline.
Sep 30 11:04:50 <tomtiger11> right.
Sep 30 11:04:52 <RazielZ> Well, I only use html when I also need to work with fonts
Sep 30 11:04:55 <RazielZ> Like add colors or bold easily
Sep 30 11:08:38 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: I suppose. also, i need this: final TextView mTextView = new TextView(this);
Sep 30 11:08:51 <RazielZ> Also, got threading on loading to work fine, it's about 10 times faster
Sep 30 11:08:56 <RazielZ> TomasuDlrrp, you do?
Sep 30 11:08:59 <RazielZ> uhm
Sep 30 11:09:01 <RazielZ> tomtiger11
Sep 30 11:09:22 <tomtiger11> well, The final bit is needed for it to work in the onLocationChanged
Sep 30 11:10:25 <RazielZ> hmmm
Sep 30 11:11:15 <RazielZ> Well, if it works fine
Sep 30 11:13:43 <tomtiger11> Its kinda worked.
Sep 30 11:14:26 <tomtiger11> Its got my longitude and latitude, but its displayed them twice
Sep 30 11:14:31 <tomtiger11> oh!
Sep 30 11:14:39 <tomtiger11> I need it to clear the mtextvierws
Sep 30 11:14:47 <tomtiger11> How do i do that?
Sep 30 11:16:57 <SimonVT> Just call setText with your new text
Sep 30 11:17:31 <tomtiger11> Ok
Sep 30 11:17:53 <tomtiger11> Its not getting my speed or altitude.
Sep 30 11:50:03 <WallnPall> Hi everyone, can someone help me ? iam trying to set an OnClickListener to a textbox, so when i tap the textbox a time picker shows up, i tried 3 way to do listener, but nothing worked so far, can someone help me ?
Sep 30 11:50:25 <WallnPall> Or is there another way to do it ?
Sep 30 11:53:18 <WallnPall> Cant believve noone is posting anything into a channel
Sep 30 11:54:03 <Leeds> WallnPall: have a bit of patience - and look at a calendar or a clock
Sep 30 11:55:06 <WallnPall> well iam GMT+1 so its 01:54 pm
Sep 30 11:55:35 <Leeds> in America, where a lot of IRCers are, it's early on Sunday morning... in Europe, people are having lunch
Sep 30 11:55:37 <WallnPall> but i was just wondering because so many people online, and usually its always someone posting something so i thought something is wrong with the service
Sep 30 11:55:38 <LukePH> WallnPall: you might have to post some of the code you tried with pastebin
Sep 30 11:55:56 <WallnPall> can i post it to you privately ? LukePH
Sep 30 11:56:44 <LukePH> if you like but if it's just me your less likely to get a fix
Sep 30 11:57:40 <LukePH> you don't want the code public I'm guessing?
Sep 30 11:57:45 <WallnPall> well i dont have it in code, i deleted it, beacuse i tried so many options so i just post you some of it
Sep 30 11:57:48 <WallnPall> yes
Sep 30 11:58:11 <Leeds> nobody is going to rip off your onClickListener...
Sep 30 11:58:21 <WallnPall> Leeds, dont worry i know
Sep 30 11:58:23 <LukePH> Leeds: lol yeah :p
Sep 30 11:59:06 <WallnPall> no guys, iam just shy for trying so many options that there is a possibility that one of the codes will be total mess, and you will be thinking of me as a totally desoriented guy around android
Sep 30 11:59:22 <WallnPall> ehm :D
Sep 30 11:59:25 <WallnPall> anyways
Sep 30 11:59:29 <WallnPall> wait for the code
Sep 30 11:59:50 <LukePH> we all make mistakes, or don't know an api when we start
Sep 30 12:00:04 <LukePH> I wouldn't be too worried
Sep 30 12:00:07 <WallnPall> ok guys, found something from yesterday http://pastebin.com/qQhR47kx
Sep 30 12:00:36 <WallnPall> i found somewhere on google that it might work as this, so i tried, tried also replacing some stuff around the code
Sep 30 12:00:43 <WallnPall> nothing, always error
Sep 30 12:00:55 <LukePH> can you paste the error?
Sep 30 12:01:17 <WallnPall> wait there wasnt any error, just underined (red - so error) wait
Sep 30 12:02:06 <Knossos> You are setting an onClick listener to the Date object?
Sep 30 12:02:34 <WallnPall> yes
Sep 30 12:02:54 <WallnPall> ist basically a EditText with -Date input
Sep 30 12:03:21 <WallnPall> but i want to Date and Tie picker dialog to show up when i click the EditText
Sep 30 12:04:01 <WallnPall> so as for you as an user whhen you click on textbox which says to input the date, Date picker dialog is method of input
Sep 30 12:04:05 <WallnPall> cant get it working
Sep 30 12:04:08 <LukePH> you are setting the onclicklistener in the onclick event?
Sep 30 12:04:24 <Knossos> You should probably look at some Date picker tutorials first
Sep 30 12:04:26 <LukePH> is there a reason for that?
Sep 30 12:06:13 <WallnPall> i looked a tutorial for the listener for editbox the first thing, dont know why is it coded like that, and second , Date picker tutorial - i have looked upon few, yes everywhere was the same thing about dialogFragment in which is DatePicker dialog showed, BUT everywhere it was called from OnClickMethod of the BUTTON , not from the textbox or editBox
Sep 30 12:06:59 <LukePH> you have setOnClickListener in the onclick function, is there another setOnClickListener somewhere else?
Sep 30 12:07:10 <LukePH> if not that will never work
Sep 30 12:08:20 <WallnPall> hmm , interesting, so the things is, this onclicklistener is the only in the file
Sep 30 12:08:34 <WallnPall> also with the OnClickFunction
Sep 30 12:08:41 <Knossos> I'm confused myself, about the "Date" being used. That is a Java class, will that not cause problems? Or at least confusion.
Sep 30 12:09:02 <WallnPall> nope, if you wont import it
Sep 30 12:09:05 <Knossos> I dont remember the Date object having a static method for on click
Sep 30 12:09:19 <LukePH> Knossos, I'm just guessing it is a local var with bad casing
Sep 30 12:09:25 <Knossos> Generally, you name variables lower case
Sep 30 12:09:35 <Knossos> Or rather, the first letter lower case
Sep 30 12:09:42 <Knossos> To differentiate between variables and classes
Sep 30 12:09:55 <WallnPall> yup, but iam just trying it to work
Sep 30 12:10:03 <LukePH> WallnPall: try putting those setOnClickListener out side of that code
Sep 30 12:10:07 <WallnPall> to make it work*
Sep 30 12:10:43 <LukePH> put it after all that code
Sep 30 12:10:58 <WallnPall> done
Sep 30 12:10:59 <WallnPall> Syntax error on token "listener", VariableDeclaratorId expected after this token
Sep 30 12:11:26 <WallnPall> Date.setonClickListener(listnere)  the DOT (.) is underlined also the word :listener:
Sep 30 12:12:01 <LukePH> can you repaste what you have?
Sep 30 12:15:16 <WallnPall> repaste what ? whole codde ?
Sep 30 12:15:50 <WallnPall> http://pastebin.com/cv34965x
Sep 30 12:16:14 <LukePH> ok I see
Sep 30 12:16:22 <LukePH> Date.setOnClickListener(listener); 
Sep 30 12:16:23 <LukePH> Time.setOnClickListener(listener);
Sep 30 12:16:32 <LukePH> go in onCreate
Sep 30 12:16:48 <LukePH> at the end of that function
Sep 30 12:17:05 <LukePH> also
Sep 30 12:17:31 <LukePH> before you need something like:
Sep 30 12:17:53 <LukePH> Date = (EditText) findViewById(R.id.your_date_id_here);
Sep 30 12:18:03 <LukePH> same for time
Sep 30 12:18:16 <WallnPall> and where should i put it <
Sep 30 12:18:26 <WallnPall> also into onCreate ?
Sep 30 12:19:04 <LukePH> http://pastebin.com/aetFg8pA
Sep 30 12:19:06 <LukePH> like that
Sep 30 12:19:22 <LukePH> you done much java coding?
Sep 30 12:20:02 <LukePH> you need to replace the ids, I don't know them
Sep 30 12:20:12 <WallnPall> well much as much, just cant remebmer the stuff cause iam confused from c++
Sep 30 12:21:47 <LukePH> I see
Sep 30 12:22:27 <WallnPall> hm, strange
Sep 30 12:22:29 <WallnPall> Date cannot be resolved to a variable
Sep 30 12:22:34 <WallnPall> also Time
Sep 30 12:23:03 <WallnPall> but they are found in R.id.Date
Sep 30 12:23:11 <RazielZ> WallnPall, I started deving for android without doing any java beforehand, came from C++, I was really confused the first 3 days or so then I was fine
Sep 30 12:24:34 <LukePH> yeah moving from C++ to java is no too bad at all
Sep 30 12:24:43 <WallnPall> well no it isnt
Sep 30 12:24:54 <WallnPall> just sometimes iam thinking still in c++
Sep 30 12:25:27 <RazielZ> I don't find they need a different mindset or anything like that
Sep 30 12:25:44 <gorudonu> LukePH: I'd say that it's like change the bad car to a good brand new car ;P
Sep 30 12:25:47 <LukePH> WallnPall: Not sure what you mean, try opening R
Sep 30 12:26:06 <LukePH> it's auto generated, and see if it's in there
Sep 30 12:26:21 <RazielZ> Anyone know if about 700 httpurlconnection threads would overload the networking backend?
Sep 30 12:26:26 <RazielZ> <.<
Sep 30 12:26:33 <WallnPall> Raziel well if you were taking a lot of OOP in c++ sure its no change, but i was sort of system programming
Sep 30 12:26:43 <RazielZ> Ah
Sep 30 12:26:46 <RazielZ> Makes sense then
Sep 30 12:26:57 <LukePH> gorudonu: yeah it like changing from manual car to automatic, you don't have to do half the stuff
Sep 30 12:27:09 <WallnPall> but iam happy for java now :)
Sep 30 12:27:25 <RazielZ> Note: manual isn't automatically bad, and automatic isn't necessarily good
Sep 30 12:27:36 <RazielZ> So don't you go sayin Java's better then C++, cause Imma flame you.
Sep 30 12:27:36 <RazielZ> XD
Sep 30 12:28:00 <tomtiger11> RazielZ: C++ is better, but it takes too long to learn.
Sep 30 12:28:03 <LukePH> I'm not saying one is better
Sep 30 12:28:14 <LukePH> I code in both
Sep 30 12:28:26 <RazielZ> LukePH, not you, gorudonu clearly implied java's better XD
Sep 30 12:28:33 <RazielZ> tomtiger11, I can't really tell since I learned C++ first
Sep 30 12:29:03 <WallnPall> i always was sort of c++ guy, but in my city is very small chance to catch a job as a c++ dev, the java dev recruiting here is more popular
Sep 30 12:29:21 <LukePH> just got an update of my game out :)
Sep 30 12:29:31 <LukePH> what are you guys working on?
Sep 30 12:29:42 <RazielZ> WallnPall, yeah, that makes sense. If you know things fine you should be able to pick up any language quick
Sep 30 12:29:44 <RazielZ> LukePH, what game?
Sep 30 12:29:50 <RazielZ> I'm working on a herodex for heroes of newerth
Sep 30 12:30:16 <LukePH> RazielZ: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.corrodinggames.rts
Sep 30 12:30:52 <RazielZ> Ooh, that looks nice
Sep 30 12:31:38 <RazielZ> What PC rts would you compare it to?
Sep 30 12:31:53 <WallnPall> LukePH how many of you was deving it?
Sep 30 12:32:19 <RazielZ> WallnPall, over 9000 LukePHs.
Sep 30 12:32:29 <RazielZ> damn, that would be awesome.
Sep 30 12:32:33 <LukePH> RazielZ: mix of Total Annihilation and Command and Conquer
Sep 30 12:32:35 <RazielZ> Programming life to thread yourself.
Sep 30 12:32:47 <LukePH> WallnPall: just me :p
Sep 30 12:32:58 <LukePH> would be good to have 9000 mes to code it
Sep 30 12:33:02 <RazielZ> LukePH, sounds good!
Sep 30 12:33:06 <LukePH> I could rule the gaming world :p
Sep 30 12:33:08 <RazielZ> Yup
Sep 30 12:33:21 <WallnPall> wow, its cool :)
Sep 30 12:34:29 <WallnPall> oh, LukePH can you help me find out whats wrong with my code ? those Date and Times arent recogniyed even when the findViewById can find them .
Sep 30 12:34:49 <RazielZ> I can take a look, too
Sep 30 12:34:51 <RazielZ> Where's your code?
Sep 30 12:35:36 <LukePH> WallnPall: is this at runtime or compile time
Sep 30 12:36:04 <WallnPall> compile
Sep 30 12:36:43 <WallnPall> wait
Sep 30 12:36:46 <WallnPall> i might fixed it
Sep 30 12:37:20 <LukePH> I see
Sep 30 12:44:10 <WallnPall> but AVD is falling , ill try it with real phone
Sep 30 12:49:52 <WallnPall> aw comeon, my laptop cant install android phone ...
Sep 30 12:50:18 <LukePH> what os?
Sep 30 12:50:30 <LukePH> you trying to install to a phone though usb?
Sep 30 12:51:04 <WallnPall> Windows 7
Sep 30 12:51:07 <WallnPall> yes
Sep 30 12:51:16 <WallnPall> seem i need to go check for drivers :/
Sep 30 12:51:52 <LukePH> google has a setup guide for that
Sep 30 12:52:23 <WallnPall> you mean this ? http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html
Sep 30 12:53:58 <LukePH> yeah
Sep 30 12:55:09 <WallnPall> done already
Sep 30 12:55:15 <WallnPall> long time ago
Sep 30 12:55:40 <LukePH> I see
Sep 30 12:58:31 <WallnPall> ill try HTC  sync
Sep 30 12:58:39 <WallnPall> it should have driver in it
Sep 30 13:00:20 <nenn3> What view is best for creating my own buttons?  Normal layouts react to click ?
Sep 30 13:03:06 <gorudonu> cpp is better ?
Sep 30 13:03:12 <gorudonu> ok maybe this way
Sep 30 13:04:09 <gorudonu> maybe editor is better
Sep 30 13:04:11 <gorudonu> for java
Sep 30 13:04:23 <yudao> Hi all
Sep 30 13:04:33 <yudao> I need some little help about viewstub
Sep 30 13:05:25 <yudao> i create a main layout with a viewstub and a stublayout. When i want to inflate it i've got the null exception
Sep 30 13:09:54 <WallnPall> LukePH , nothing, its falling when i open the activity
Sep 30 13:10:23 <LukePH> what's the stacktrace?
Sep 30 13:38:12 <superlinux-hp> hi. I have some drawables that are NOT assigned id's. how can i set them through eclipse?
Sep 30 13:49:02 <corruptmem> if you are rendering to a SurfaceView by looping as fast as you can go, is there any way of getting the time that the next frame/vsync is scheduled to occur (so I can stick that into the game engine calculations and make it smoother), thanks
Sep 30 14:04:59 <SimonVT> Not until API16 I think.. Look at Choreographer
Sep 30 14:05:25 <napster> I experience one issue. I have locked my activity's orientation to portrait. then when the keyboard appears if I orient the device to landscape another inbuild layout is used, which does include just a big edittext and the keyboard. then if I hide the keyboard, I can see my activity in landscape orientation!
Sep 30 14:05:33 <napster> weird enough isn't it?
Sep 30 14:06:25 <napster> s/device to landscape another inbuild/device to landscape, anothe built in
Sep 30 14:07:35 <napster> practically I see the orientation lock being overriden somehow
Sep 30 14:09:20 <andrewvos> Hi all. I'm launching a service through "am startservice". When it launches I'm getting exception with message "EACCESS socket failed".
Sep 30 14:09:28 <andrewvos> Can anyone think what may be wrong?
Sep 30 14:09:49 <andrewvos> Here's part of my manifest https://gist.github.com/3806827
Sep 30 14:09:51 <napster> does setting softinputmode to the window has something to do with the orientation?
Sep 30 14:10:40 <andrewvos> The service only need android.permission.INTERNET before.
Sep 30 14:10:59 <SimonVT> Don't put <uses-permission .. /> or android:permission in your service tag
Sep 30 14:11:37 <andrewvos> SimonVT: That was just me trying everything.
Sep 30 14:13:07 <andrewvos> SimonVT: Do you think it's because I've moved this code inside a Service class, or because I'm starting the service from `adb shell am startservice`?
Sep 30 14:13:29 <SimonVT> I have no idea ;O
Sep 30 14:13:33 <andrewvos> heh
Sep 30 14:14:12 <SimonVT> Where'd you put your other <uses-permission .. /> tags
Sep 30 14:16:08 <andrewvos> SimonVT: Inside <manifest>
Sep 30 14:16:20 <SimonVT> That's alright then
Sep 30 14:16:29 <andrewvos> SimonVT: Sorry I mean inside <application>
Sep 30 14:16:56 <SimonVT> Well, that's wrong
Sep 30 14:17:05 <SimonVT> it goes inside manifest
Sep 30 14:17:28 <andrewvos> AWW YEAH
Sep 30 14:17:33 <andrewvos> SimonVT: Thanks, you're a legend.
Sep 30 14:17:35 <andrewvos> That works
Sep 30 14:17:59 <SimonVT> Protip: docs for each tag says where they go
Sep 30 14:18:38 <andrewvos> SimonVT: Awesome thanks. Can't believe I missed that.
Sep 30 14:26:03 <Gaulois94> Hello
Sep 30 14:26:13 <Gaulois94> Please, I have a problème with a basic hello world
Sep 30 14:26:45 <abhoriel> does the GLSurfaceView.Renderer onDrawFrame() method operate in a different thread to GLSurfaceView's event handlers? ie. during onDrawFrame(), can onTouchEvent() be called for example?
Sep 30 14:27:23 <Gaulois94> http://sprunge.us/OIAf
Sep 30 14:28:02 <Gaulois94> And the error :http://sprunge.us/GLiO
Sep 30 14:28:50 <Gaulois94> (I use ant, and configure my project with :android create project --target 2 --name Tutorial --path . --activity TutorialActivity --package fr.tutorial
Sep 30 14:29:09 <Gaulois94> (target 2 is a 2.2 android version
Sep 30 14:33:27 <evident> what is the best way to have different icons for pre-honeycomb and later systems? The main problem is that in an OptionsMenu I define I use Icons that fit for Holo.Light... but they are almost not visible on the dark options menu background in old android versions...
Sep 30 14:33:51 <evident> Should I use refs.xml in the values-11 folder for this?
Sep 30 14:34:08 <SimonVT> drawable-hdpi-v11, etc
Sep 30 14:34:36 <evident> ahh that would be a good way too
Sep 30 14:34:37 <evident> thank you
Sep 30 14:34:55 <SimonVT> Or is it drawable-v11-hdpi
Sep 30 14:35:00 <SimonVT> Look it up, not sure about the order
Sep 30 14:35:17 <andrewvos> Gaulois94: Uh, what's the problem?
Sep 30 14:35:41 <evident> thanks
Sep 30 14:35:55 <Gaulois94> It would'nt compilated
Sep 30 14:36:30 <Gaulois94> (see the error : http://sprunge.us/GLiO (and of file)
Sep 30 14:37:30 <SimonVT> Java 101: You need TextView hello; somewhere
Sep 30 14:38:19 <Gaulois94> I had even declarate it, no ?
Sep 30 14:50:46 <abhoriel> I have a GLSurfaceview, which also has Renderer. both classes call NDK code code from onTouchEvent() and onDrawFrame() respectively. it seems that these functions are called asynchonously from different threads right? how can I keep my NDK code thread safe? can I just use pthread mutexes?
Sep 30 14:56:09 <TheJH> UARGH, WHAT THE HELL, CAMERA APP? just WHY do you, when I tell you that I'd like you to make a photo and put it in a certain location, set its mode to owner=cameraapp, 770? It's SUPPOSED to be read by other apps!
Sep 30 14:56:27 <TheJH> unbelievable.
Sep 30 14:59:29 <Gaulois94>  nobody ?
Sep 30 15:06:06 <Pinas> hello all
Sep 30 15:07:08 <Pinas> one question. I put  a notification in the notification bar and I don't want that it can be removed by the user (it is removed by the application when finished) - can someone tell me how to do this ?
Sep 30 15:07:58 <TheJH> Pinas, sonds exactly like a foreground service to me...
Sep 30 15:08:04 <TheJH> *sounds
Sep 30 15:08:30 <TheJH> with the advantage that your app is less likely to get killed
Sep 30 15:10:11 <Pinas> TheJH ok I'll try it out thx
Sep 30 15:16:47 <Pinas> TheJH - that's it, thank you very much :)
Sep 30 15:42:57 <Lloir> .
Sep 30 15:44:16 <bjorkintosh> so why is it that when i use the wizard in eclipse for creating an android application, it always asks if i want to create a hello world activity.
Sep 30 15:44:20 <bjorkintosh> is there a significance to it?
Sep 30 15:44:49 <bjorkintosh> this is in eclipse juno.
Sep 30 15:50:38 <awestroke> is there any reason to use different versions of images? (drawable-ldpi, drawable-hdpi, etc)
Sep 30 15:52:24 <Snuupy> awestroke: it might look different on different screen sizes
Sep 30 15:53:12 <awestroke> what if I just use an 1920x1080 px image and let android resize it on the fly?
Sep 30 15:53:22 <WallnPall> Hi can someone help me ? iam trying to attach onFocusListener to the EditText component, but i keep getting an underlined errors , please help
Sep 30 15:53:41 <awestroke> WallnPall: stacktrace + code
Sep 30 15:53:51 <WallnPall> i cant even build
Sep 30 15:54:04 <WallnPall> there i believe syntax error, but i cant figure it out
Sep 30 15:54:14 <awestroke> try right clicking the red x and deleting the error
Sep 30 15:54:17 <awestroke> and try to build again
Sep 30 15:54:32 <awestroke> sometimes syntax errors in eclipse get stuck for me like that
Sep 30 15:54:39 <WallnPall> i know
Sep 30 15:54:52 <WallnPall> but the thing is, now i have underlined the  {
Sep 30 15:54:59 <awestroke> WallnPall: code
Sep 30 15:55:02 <WallnPall> w8
Sep 30 15:58:11 <WallnPall> i fixed the errors, but when i build the thing, after clicking on the EditBox, app crashes, so ill post you LogCat
Sep 30 15:58:46 <WallnPall> http://pastebin.com/hq9mxFev
Sep 30 16:01:21 <WallnPall> and LogCat
Sep 30 16:01:22 <WallnPall> http://pastebin.com/5GCHG59u
Sep 30 16:03:09 <hillct> Good afternoon all. a anyone run into the problem I'm seeing when creating a new AVD device starting as a clone of the HTC Nexus One, and adding hardware keyboard support (the keyboard checkbox), using that new device description to back an AVD instance running 4.0.3 and having the screen appear in landscape while the navigation buttons appear in portrait (and the overall device window appears with portrait orientation?
Sep 30 16:03:45 <hillct> In my case, I'm using Tools tools rev 21 preview7
Sep 30 16:04:13 <hillct> On a mac
Sep 30 16:08:34 <lime> KNERD, are you here? :)
Sep 30 16:15:19 <Ghiottone> hello. I'm writing a feed reader app and I would like to add a widget. I have the basics working and I'm now struggling on the layout of the widget. Can anyone point to some good examples?
Sep 30 16:17:38 <panegyric> hey can we use BNC's on this server?
Sep 30 16:30:07 <Mgamerz> I think launcherpro had it where you can start any activity of any app with an icon. Is this possible with an app (so I don't have ot code one)? I need to test something. I just bought a galaxy nexus and I want an NFC tag to make the shazam app immediately start tagging so i can tap my phone in my car without looking at the screen
Sep 30 16:32:59 <Mgamerz> http://blog.seguesec.com/2012/09/path-traversal-vulnerability-on-shazam-android-application/
Sep 30 16:35:28 <kbs> publicly available intents (or content providers, I guess) are also a bane in oauth
Sep 30 16:36:10 <kbs> facebook has a somewhat analagous issue, where you can install an app that listens for the custom (publicly attachable) intent that comes back from an oauth call
Sep 30 16:36:27 <kbs> s/oauth call/oauth approval screen/
Sep 30 16:38:31 <bjorkintosh> Ghiottone, which aspect of the layout?
Sep 30 16:38:36 <bjorkintosh> do you have one drawn up?
Sep 30 16:39:08 <Ghiottone> bjorkintosh, actually not yet, I just used the one I use for listview items, for initial tests
Sep 30 16:39:24 <Ghiottone> actually I don't have any ideas on how to do it well
Sep 30 16:39:39 <bjorkintosh> form must follow function then.
Sep 30 16:39:58 <bjorkintosh> if all else fails, copy.
Sep 30 16:40:26 <Ghiottone> bjorkintosh, what do you mean?
Sep 30 16:40:35 <bjorkintosh> find one you like, and copy it.
Sep 30 16:41:00 <Ghiottone> oh yes. I came here looking for good examples, in fact
Sep 30 16:44:00 <Ghiottone> bjorkintosh, do you have some pointers?
Sep 30 16:44:19 <bjorkintosh> what sort of feed reader is it?
Sep 30 16:45:42 <hillct> Does anyone know of a working example of using the Google API client stack for access to 3rd party REST APIs as described in their 2011 GoogleIO presentation?
Sep 30 16:46:31 <KNERD> lime: yeah
Sep 30 16:47:03 <Mgamerz> it works in launcher pro
Sep 30 16:47:08 <Mgamerz> i just need to figure out how he does it...
Sep 30 16:55:01 <Ghiottone> bjorkintosh, what do you mean? an item is tipically composed of an image, title text, and publish date
Sep 30 16:57:03 <c_nick> How can i toggle Brightness ? I got WindowManager.LayoutParams and set the screenbrightness in a Runnable Interface but the emulator hung ? Where could've I gone wrong ?
Sep 30 16:57:45 <Looney> what does one need to import for making compiler understand NativeLib
Sep 30 17:01:43 <Mgamerz> How do I start another apps activity? LauncherPRo seems to be able to do it. The activity name is Tagging and the full package/activity path is com.shazam.android.Tagging
Sep 30 17:02:11 <Mgamerz> I did 				Intent intent = new Intent("com.shazam.android.Tagging");
Sep 30 17:02:11 <Mgamerz> 				startActivity(intent); but it died cause it can't an intent to handle it (but launcher pro seems to do it just fine)
Sep 30 17:07:28 <Pinas> hello all
Sep 30 17:07:35 <Mgamerz> oi
Sep 30 17:07:53 <Looney> hi
Sep 30 17:08:10 <Pinas> I want to "design" two easy buttons for my app - are there any guidlines (size, resolution, ?) on how to create such buttons ?
Sep 30 17:09:06 <Mgamerz> http://developer.android.com/design/index.html
Sep 30 17:09:27 <Mgamerz> not sure what you mean. buttons...? launcher icons?
Sep 30 17:12:18 <kbs> Mgamerz: that intent constructor is intended for the action, not the component-name/activity to start
Sep 30 17:12:56 <kbs> you might want to try MAIN_ACTION in the constructor, and look at setComponentName() to specify your activity
Sep 30 17:12:58 <Pinas> Mgamerz - normal buttons like the OK button that the user can use inside the app
Sep 30 17:13:13 <Mgamerz> Wouldn't you just use the standard stock icons Pinas
Sep 30 17:13:29 <Pinas> Mgamerz - actually i don't like these icons :)
Sep 30 17:14:26 <Mgamerz> What do you mean, the constructor? I am trying to launch an app that was not designed by me. Mainly my app will be launched, and it will immediately launch a user chosen 3rd party app. You cannot directly access the activity it is starting withotu user interaction, but since my app is for vehicles, it is very important i do not require user intervention
Sep 30 17:14:50 <Mgamerz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9366049/android-use-component-name-to-launch-an-activity >
Sep 30 17:14:53 <Mgamerz> ?*
Sep 30 17:16:05 <kbs> Mgamerz: from what I understood from your question, you use an intent constructor that uses the name of the target activity, and then call startActivity with it
Sep 30 17:16:18 <kbs> it is that intent constructor that I'm referring to
Sep 30 17:16:28 <Mgamerz> Yes.
Sep 30 17:17:18 <kbs> you probably need something like new Intent(Intent.ACTION_MAIN), and then call setComponentName() on that intent object before calling startActivity){
Sep 30 17:17:31 <Mgamerz> Lemme whip something up real quick
Sep 30 17:17:40 <kbs> look up the docs on setComponentName(), and you'll figure out how to specify your target activity
Sep 30 17:19:24 <kbs> Pinas: in theory at least, there's a typographic grid along which you want to align your custom buttons -- http://developer.android.com/design/style/metrics-grids.html, and http://developer.android.com/design/media/metrics_closeup.png will probably get you as close to a design guideline as probably exists in android
Sep 30 17:21:49 <Mgamerz> god damnit adt
Sep 30 17:21:52 <Mgamerz> you piece of garbage
Sep 30 17:22:59 <Mgamerz> adb in eclipse (DDMS) is crashing nonstop
Sep 30 17:24:14 <tomtiger11> How do i read a text that has been sent and see it it contains a 'keyword'?
Sep 30 17:24:15 <socket> Hey, any idea how common ldpi devices are? should i make the effort of creating a specific layout for them?
Sep 30 17:24:37 <Mgamerz> the docs are a bit weak, but I'm not sure if I need the packagename.classname.class in the intent? 				Intent launchAppIntent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_MAIN);
Sep 30 17:24:37 <Mgamerz> 				launchAppIntent.setComponent(new ComponentName("com.shazam.android","Tagging.class"));
Sep 30 17:25:34 <kbs> try new ComponentName("com.shazam.android", "Tagging")
Sep 30 17:25:47 <kbs> you can also look up whatever shows up in adb logcat when you start-up the app
Sep 30 17:25:54 <kbs> it will usually show something like:
Sep 30 17:26:01 <Mgamerz> im trying to, but it keeps crashing (it disconnects and spams error messages in the console)
Sep 30 17:26:14 <Mgamerz> then logcat clears itself (WHY!?)
Sep 30 17:26:23 <kbs> beats me, I don't use eclipse
Sep 30 17:26:45 <superlinux> which method controls what happens to the activity when i leave it?
Sep 30 17:26:53 <Mgamerz> Unablabe to find explicit activity class, (com.shazam.android/Tagging), have you declared... etc etc
Sep 30 17:27:04 <kbs> but at any rate: logcat, if and when you see it, should show something like: Starting activity: Intent { act=android.intent.action.MAIN cat=[android.intent.category.LAUNCHER] flg=0x10200000 cmp=some.package/.someClass
Sep 30 17:27:06 <Mgamerz> Obviously I haven't declared it since it is not my app (I do not develop shazam obviously)
Sep 30 17:27:08 <superlinux> is't the onPause?
Sep 30 17:27:44 <Mgamerz> I'll try .Tagging
Sep 30 17:28:34 <Mgamerz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6829187/android-explicit-intent-with-target-component
Sep 30 17:28:37 <kbs> Mgamerz: just to be safe, use com.shazam.android.Tagging
Sep 30 17:29:10 <superlinux> stckoverflow are exquisite and awesome
Sep 30 17:29:23 <superlinux> i do like them heaps
Sep 30 17:29:30 <Mgamerz> two different answers that look simliar... but have different code
Sep 30 17:29:48 <Mgamerz> i doubt that it would use '.java' in the activity name
Sep 30 17:29:50 <Mgamerz> 10 bucks it crashes
Sep 30 17:29:55 <Mgamerz> i get ten bucks
Sep 30 17:30:07 <kbs> Mgamerz: so stackoverflow can be a crap-shoot; best advice I have for you is: ("com.shazam.android", "com.shazam.android.Tagging")
Sep 30 17:30:30 * Mgamerz tries...
Sep 30 17:30:47 <Mgamerz> crash and burn... damnit, how does launcher pro do it...!!!
Sep 30 17:31:00 <Mgamerz> wait
Sep 30 17:31:03 <Mgamerz> I misspelled something
Sep 30 17:31:20 <Mgamerz> YOU WIN 10 BUCKS
Sep 30 17:31:47 <c_nick> in order to toggle Brightness, I got WindowManager.LayoutParams and set the screenbrightness in a Runnable Interface but the emulator hung ? Did I go wrong somewhere?
Sep 30 17:31:50 <kbs> I believe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3872063/android-launch-an-application-from-another-application may have another valid alternate action, that uses the package-manager, avoiding the need to know the specific activity from the application
Sep 30 17:32:33 <Mgamerz> Did you get the brightness control permission?
Sep 30 17:32:42 <Mgamerz> (I'm pretty sure theres a permission for that)
Sep 30 17:33:11 <Mgamerz> Now I just need to figure out a way to pair this with NFC and I'll be good to go :D
Sep 30 17:33:26 <Mgamerz> Going to be my first app using fragments...
Sep 30 17:34:53 <evident> Can anybody tell me how I can start another Activity when a user clicks on a Preference? I am trying to define it in the preferences xml file but I don't get it... the dev guide only shows how to start a website from there
Sep 30 17:35:02 <Mgamerz> !!!
Sep 30 17:35:04 <Mgamerz> I just did that yesterday
Sep 30 17:35:08 <Mgamerz> let me get the code
Sep 30 17:35:46 <Mgamerz> http://pastebin.com/vvdrpDEb
Sep 30 17:35:54 <Mgamerz> instead of a preference, turn it into a preferencescreen
Sep 30 17:35:59 <Mgamerz> it makes no sense, but it works
Sep 30 17:36:07 <Mgamerz> and in my manifest...
Sep 30 17:36:38 <Mgamerz> ... my code is out of date, damnit dropbox
Sep 30 17:37:00 <Mgamerz> you need a category stating the name of the intent, mine was com.mgamerzproductions.logthis.CREDITS
Sep 30 17:38:18 <Mgamerz> cant wait for my galaxy nexus to arrive
Sep 30 17:39:18 <Ankhwatcher> Hey there
Sep 30 17:39:29 <Mgamerz> where
Sep 30 17:39:38 <evident> Mgamerz: thank you... I will try that!
Sep 30 17:40:42 <Mgamerz> sure thing! preferencescreen was what kept throwing me off yesterday
Sep 30 17:43:41 <evident> Mgamerz: about that category: So in the activity I want to start I need to add an intent-filter with a <category> element? or how do you mean that?
Sep 30 17:43:56 <Mgamerz> let me open my laptop, it has the most recent code
Sep 30 17:44:05 <Mgamerz> you need to put it in the manifest for that activity
Sep 30 17:45:00 <Mgamerz> logging in...
Sep 30 17:45:19 <Mgamerz> 16GB of ram = forever to come out of hibernate
Sep 30 17:46:28 <Mgamerz> it'll be just a min
Sep 30 17:46:30 <evident> :)
Sep 30 17:46:35 <evident> take your time
Sep 30 17:47:16 <Mgamerz> Is it possible to makea notification appear but not appear in the notifications? Like 'Tagging launched via APPNAME'... it doesn't realy need a notification but its nice to know that it did something, even if its not of high importance
Sep 30 17:47:48 <Mgamerz> I suppose I could just use toast instead
Sep 30 17:48:02 <evident> yeah just wanted to suggest a toast for that
Sep 30 17:48:25 <Mgamerz> eclipse is loading...
Sep 30 17:49:53 <Mgamerz> werid
Sep 30 17:49:58 <Mgamerz> I don't have it in this one, but in another one
Sep 30 17:50:32 <Mgamerz> <intent-filter> <action android:name="package.name.here.INTENTNAME_YOU_WANT>
Sep 30 17:50:42 <Mgamerz> let me paste it, hold on.
Sep 30 17:52:33 <FemShep> http://pastebin.com/bVpK4PsH
Sep 30 17:52:44 <FemShep> my manifest is horribly ugly looking
Sep 30 17:52:47 <FemShep> i need to fix it
Sep 30 17:52:57 <FemShep> but thats the intent filter i put in the activity
Sep 30 17:53:10 <FemShep> the top line is the one that you should call in the preferences
Sep 30 17:53:35 <FemShep> it will navigate to the activity that this intent filter is placed in the manifest
Sep 30 17:53:48 <FemShep> going to put this thing to sleep
Sep 30 17:53:49 <bjorkintosh> what on earth? i am suddenly unable to create the simplest android helloworld in eclipse.
Sep 30 17:53:55 <bjorkintosh> i keep getting an error in xml file.
Sep 30 17:54:03 <bjorkintosh> i am pretty sure this wasn't there yesterday.
Sep 30 17:54:09 <FemShep> restart eclipse. always restart eclipse.
Sep 30 17:54:33 <Mgamerz> on pc again
Sep 30 17:55:00 <Mgamerz> this laptop hates sleep and hibernate
Sep 30 17:55:47 <bjorkintosh> where does eclipse store my plugins?
Sep 30 17:56:04 <bjorkintosh> workspace/.metadata/.plugins ?
Sep 30 17:56:09 <bjorkintosh> or is it elsewhere as well?
Sep 30 17:57:08 <Mgamerz> don't know \o/
Sep 30 17:57:37 <bjorkintosh> yay?
Sep 30 17:59:22 <Mgamerz> shoulder shrug
Sep 30 17:59:29 <evident> Mgamerz: thank you very much! works fine! :)
Sep 30 17:59:30 <Mgamerz> guess that wasn't the right one to use
Sep 30 17:59:34 <Mgamerz> cool
Sep 30 18:06:10 <superlinux> which method controls what happens to the activity when i leave it?
Sep 30 18:06:12 <superlinux> is't the onPause?
Sep 30 18:06:58 <bjorkintosh> what on earth is main.out.xml ?
Sep 30 18:07:16 <Knossos> That is what happens when you try to "Run" an xml file
Sep 30 18:07:34 <Knossos> Delete that file, then open one of your projects Java files, and then click run with that.
Sep 30 18:07:56 <Knossos> superlinux: That is onPause first, then onStop
Sep 30 18:08:06 <Knossos> And eventually onDestroy at some point in the future
Sep 30 18:08:47 <superlinux> Knossos, so if I have to kill the media player what should I use if i press the go back button?
Sep 30 18:08:59 <Knossos> onPause
Sep 30 18:09:05 <bjorkintosh> oh i see.
Sep 30 18:09:08 <superlinux> ah ok. fine
Sep 30 18:09:32 <bjorkintosh> i thought eclipse was smart enough to realize i was saying "run all t3h files! except the unrunnable files!"
Sep 30 18:09:51 <Knossos> You can tell eclipse to run the last project you ran first, automatically
Sep 30 18:10:13 <Knossos> I cannot remember where on the top of my head. But something like, Build -> Launcher
Sep 30 18:10:17 <Knossos> In Preferences
Sep 30 18:10:37 <bjorkintosh> whew! thanks a bunch that was driving me INSANE!
Sep 30 18:10:49 <bjorkintosh> i am more used to doing ./a.out than clicking around in eclipse.
Sep 30 18:10:55 <Knossos> Window > Preferences > Run/Debug > Launching”
Sep 30 18:11:07 <Knossos> You can then check "Always launch the previously launched application"
Sep 30 18:11:13 <Knossos> And never worry about being in an xml file again :P
Sep 30 18:11:25 <bjorkintosh> well, can i tell it _not_ to run xml files, since it has no idea what to do with them?
Sep 30 18:11:34 <bjorkintosh> ah okay.
Sep 30 18:11:35 <bjorkintosh> gotcha.
Sep 30 18:11:38 <bjorkintosh> thanks Knossos.
Sep 30 18:11:42 <Knossos> No problem
Sep 30 18:12:14 <bjorkintosh> i thought i was going to have to reinstall the damned thing with my 1001 plugins.
Sep 30 18:20:20 <Gaulois94> Hi again
Sep 30 18:20:49 <Gaulois94> Please, I have a little problem with the TextView Widget
Sep 30 18:21:59 <Gaulois94> My Widget is not on the center of screen's width
Sep 30 18:22:23 <Gaulois94> Here is a part of the res/layout/main.xml file : http://pastebin.com/kQ4tQxBT
Sep 30 18:24:01 <Gaulois94> and de source code : http://sprunge.us/HMYS?java
Sep 30 18:26:45 <kbs> Gaulois94: possibly the centering is happening within the viewgroup of the textview, rather than the textview itself. ie, you may have better luck using layout_width="match_parent"
Sep 30 18:27:03 <Gaulois94> OK, I will teste it :) thank you :)
Sep 30 18:28:01 <RazielZ> Guys, is calling finish(); when you press back from the mainActivity a bad idea?
Sep 30 18:29:23 <zinx> RazielZ: depends on the activity
Sep 30 18:31:09 <SimonVT> That's what pressing back does by default
Sep 30 18:31:29 <RazielZ> Oh.
Sep 30 18:31:30 <RazielZ> XD
Sep 30 18:34:44 <bjorkintosh>  do you guys use the wysiwyg layout tool much at all?
Sep 30 18:34:52 <bjorkintosh> ... the one eclipse comes with?
Sep 30 18:36:00 <Mgamerz> i do
Sep 30 18:36:07 <Mgamerz> but i also edit by hand sometimes
Sep 30 18:38:53 <anddam> what's network profiling in emulator?
Sep 30 18:38:58 <RazielZ> bjorkintosh, it depends on what I gotta do
Sep 30 18:39:52 <bjorkintosh> RazielZ, how do you mean?
Sep 30 18:40:37 <RazielZ> Well
Sep 30 18:41:05 <RazielZ> If I have a static or mostly static layout, I do most of it in the layout tool
Sep 30 18:42:59 <Mgamerz> can't wait for nfc.
Sep 30 18:43:14 <bjorkintosh> oh of course. i see what you mean.
Sep 30 18:43:20 <zinx> Mgamerz: Apple will invent it in 2 years when they release the iPhone 6
Sep 30 18:43:44 <bjorkintosh> nfc?
Sep 30 18:43:51 <bjorkintosh> not for children?
Sep 30 18:46:17 <p_l> lol
Sep 30 18:46:23 <p_l> near-field communication. RFID etc.
Sep 30 18:46:50 <RazielZ> can't wait for public access to card emulation mode
Sep 30 18:47:55 <p_l> if you actually want, it's already possible
Sep 30 18:48:20 <RazielZ> On 4.1.1 too?
Sep 30 18:48:40 <p_l> I think so. It might require root or doing weird stuff
Sep 30 18:48:44 <bjorkintosh> no way!
Sep 30 18:48:54 <bjorkintosh> an rfid reader *in* the device?
Sep 30 18:49:17 <RazielZ> From what I know it requires kernel modification
Sep 30 18:49:21 <RazielZ> Not sure tho
Sep 30 18:49:44 <RazielZ> It's also specific to each device :/
Sep 30 18:50:45 <RussellAlan> ello
Sep 30 18:50:51 <RazielZ> Ohai RussellAlan!
Sep 30 18:50:53 <bjorkintosh> so one simply has to buy the device it comes with.
Sep 30 18:51:03 <RazielZ> bjorkintosh, I meant enabling card emulation
Sep 30 18:51:15 <RussellAlan> hey RazielZ
Sep 30 18:51:31 <RazielZ> The actual API for it and the other nfc modes and all that is obviously the same for any device (that is nfc enabled)
Sep 30 18:52:29 <RazielZ> And there already are NFC enabled devices. Like my galaxy nexus and nexus 7. And they read RFID tags and other such fine.
Sep 30 18:52:35 <RazielZ> I can read my room key fine, for example.
Sep 30 18:52:54 <RazielZ> Well, except for the part that requires a key <.<
Sep 30 18:52:59 <RazielZ> Like, the encrypted part.
Sep 30 18:53:28 <bjorkintosh> really?
Sep 30 18:53:37 <RazielZ> Yep
Sep 30 18:58:33 <sprite--> I'm trying to port one of my apps from iOS to Android. In my iOS app I have a TabController containing navigation controllers for drilldown. I've got my tabs set up on Android now using ActionBar Tabs, toggling a Fragment for each in the MainActivity. I'm a bit unsure how to proceed from here though? Each tab wold need its own backstack. Do I just handle that with FragmentManager?
Sep 30 19:00:14 <sprite--> Here is a screenshot from the iOS app: http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/076/Purple/v4/51/99/dd/5199dd0f-3e0e-d849-f376-8198c2e46612/mzl.ulmjsgaq.320x480-75.jpg each list item drills down to a built in feedplayer.
Sep 30 19:00:29 <BulleTime> hey guys, in order to fix an issue i need to use "zipalign" (from sdk tools) to repack my .apk. my question is how can i do this automaticly when i run from eclipse?
Sep 30 19:22:18 <Balky> evening
Sep 30 19:23:05 <Balky> I desperatly need help in styling ActionBar(Sherlock) Tabs ... I need to change font size, remove all caps, and add green underline instead of blue one
Sep 30 19:23:33 <Tobias|> are there any lists of all default styles? (e.g. ?android:attr/textAppearanceLarge )
Sep 30 19:24:12 <Balky> there are some example lists but I have no clue where and when are they called
Sep 30 19:24:41 <Balky> so it gives me hard time because I have no clue what to change (e.g. create my own list)
Sep 30 19:39:18 <chinmaya> Hi , I am trying to compile the Gallery apps in ecllipse , is there anyone who has done it or is it possible to do so ?
Sep 30 19:52:12 <pepigno75> hi :)
Sep 30 19:52:30 <pepigno75> how can i reboot in recovery from my app?
Sep 30 19:53:33 <pepigno75> i can put my app in system/app
Sep 30 19:55:02 <benjamingwynn> Anybody know of an opensource bug reporting/logcat app?
Sep 30 19:55:16 <benjamingwynn> obviously it'd need root, but I need one for my users
Sep 30 20:06:17 <Joozey> Hey
Sep 30 20:06:45 <Joozey> I couldn't figure out how to rotate a drawable, such as ShapeDrawable
Sep 30 20:09:49 <Joozey> I draw the ShapeDrawable, which contains a RectShape(), on the Canvas of a View.
Sep 30 20:10:32 <Joozey> but I can't rotate the rectangle using just the draw function
Sep 30 20:10:53 <Joozey> Do I need to draw the rectangle on a separate canvas and rotate the canvas?
Sep 30 20:25:55 <evident> Can anybody tell me how I can get notified when a user changes a Preference in my SettingsActivity (extends PreferenceActivity)? The dev guide says something about implementing an onSharedPreferencesListener, but that doesn't make sense for me... I mean I don't want to get notified when one of my shared Preferences get changes, but one of the Preferences of my PreferenceScreen... Or am I just understanding that wrong?
Sep 30 20:26:38 <jeppy> preferences screen saves to shared preferences
Sep 30 20:27:15 <jeppy> shared as in with different parts of your app
Sep 30 20:28:04 <jeppy> the onSharedPreferencesListener is what you want
Sep 30 20:29:01 <dragorn> you can also do a startactivityforresult and get notified when preferences ends
Sep 30 20:32:24 <evident> but they are just SharedPreferences for that settings page? I mean everywhere else I get my settings with: SharedPreferences settings = getSharedPreferences("my_settings_file",0);  ... the PreferenceActivity can't know that filename, so they are stored in different SharedPreferences?
Sep 30 20:32:44 <xorgate> you could just read prefs when you need em, or in onResume
Sep 30 20:33:10 <Repox> Hi. I was looking at this snippet - http://www.androidsnippets.com/executing-a-http-post-request-with-httpclient - Trying to understand how this snippet is build, I started looking at http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/impl/client/DefaultHttpClient.html - so far so good. Next part of the snippet is the HttpPost object. I don't know where that came from.
Sep 30 20:33:24 <Repox> How would I, as a new Java developer, find out that I need that object?
Sep 30 20:33:51 <gorudonu> Repox: huh?
Sep 30 20:34:31 <Repox> gorudonu: I'm sorry if I'm making my question unclear - I'm new to Java and I have trouble understanding how someone creates the snippets they do.
Sep 30 20:34:32 <Joozey> Didn't you just find out? :)
Sep 30 20:34:49 <Repox> Joozey: Well, yes - by reading someone elses stuff?
Sep 30 20:35:45 <Repox> I was actually looking at this page: http://hc.apache.org/httpclient-3.x/tutorial.html - and then I thought 'Wow, posting data is easy'... this just doesn't work in my Android app.
Sep 30 20:36:02 <Joozey> Yes, and the official dev guide, and the common conventions and some trial and error basically. That is why documentation is important.
Sep 30 20:36:08 <gorudonu> Repox: use android tut..
Sep 30 20:36:41 <sampullman> Repox: if you want to make an, http post request, you need an HttpPost object
Sep 30 20:36:41 <sampullman> more generally, if you want to do something complicated, you need to figure out what part of the API is useful to you
Sep 30 20:38:48 <Repox> Joozey: Well, currently it's must trial and error (or as I see it, copy-n-paste and pray it works). I can make it work, but it seems difficult to expand the application when I can't see how someone found that code working...
Sep 30 20:39:45 <dragorn> Repox: like anything, there are APIs and conventions.  You need to continue reading examples and learning the conventions.
Sep 30 20:39:58 <dragorn> Repox: Alternately, implement it in raw sockets like you would in C, if you really wanted to.
Sep 30 20:40:07 <Repox> sampullman: Well, that might be the point actually.. I know I need something to make sure my http request is a POST request. But I'm trying to figure out why the HttpClient object doesn't have a method just doing that.
Sep 30 20:40:09 <dragorn> It's not different than getting a new HTTP library and having to learn the APIs for that, though.
Sep 30 20:40:56 <dragorn> because a request is a layer of abstraction beyond a client. Multiple request types are issued the same way.
Sep 30 20:42:16 <Repox> dragorn: That makes sense. Maybe I'm just ruined by my PHP experience... not the best 'language' to have learned, but it's a starting point...
Sep 30 20:42:42 <dragorn> still, you had to spend the time to learn the php way of doing things too and all their library apis.  Same deal.
Sep 30 20:43:49 <Repox> dragorn: You are probably right - maybe I'm rushing it...
Sep 30 20:44:40 <dragorn> there's very much a "java way" to do things.  Coming from C/C++/Posix I don't care for it myself, but your life will be a lot easier if you accept it.  Factories, streams and lots of abstraction.
Sep 30 21:04:18 <Joozey> I got a rotateable ShapeDrawable using this: http://pastebin.com/7eQUwu8Z
Sep 30 21:04:35 <Joozey> is there an easier/more efficient way? :)
Sep 30 21:04:55 <Joozey> except for optimising such as making the temporary bitmap an attribute
Sep 30 21:05:05 <xorgate> why make temp bitmap?
Sep 30 21:05:07 <Joozey> or canvas even
Sep 30 21:05:12 <Joozey> because otherwise I can't rotate it
Sep 30 21:05:17 <xorgate> why nto
Sep 30 21:05:25 <Joozey> I couldn't figure out how
Sep 30 21:06:21 <xorgate> cant you just draw the normal bitmap onto the canvas using that matrix
Sep 30 21:06:40 <NerdyGirl> hey, how can I kill/stop another programm without using (root)kill ?
Sep 30 21:07:02 <Joozey> you mean a bitmap from the resource?
Sep 30 21:07:23 <Joozey> or what is the 'normal bitmap'?
Sep 30 21:07:36 <Joozey> the drawable has no bitmap
Sep 30 21:07:49 <xorgate> super.draw() <-- what class is getting .draw() called?
Sep 30 21:07:50 <Joozey> and the canvas given in the parameter is the entire screen, can't rotate that
Sep 30 21:08:12 <Joozey> the class extends ShapeDrawable
Sep 30 21:08:19 <romainguy_> Joozey: you don't need the temporary bitmap
Sep 30 21:08:25 <Joozey> and it has a setShape( new RectShape() );
Sep 30 21:08:26 <xorgate> how about making a bitmap once, and draw your shape on it
Sep 30 21:08:31 <xorgate> once
Sep 30 21:08:37 <xorgate> and draw that on the canvas
Sep 30 21:08:41 <romainguy_> Joozey: you can rotate the Canvas passed as a parameter
Sep 30 21:08:53 <romainguy_> canvas.save();
Sep 30 21:08:55 <romainguy_> canvas.rotate();
Sep 30 21:08:58 <romainguy_> super.draw(canvas);
Sep 30 21:09:00 <romainguy_> canvas.restore();
Sep 30 21:09:05 <sampullman> you should keep the bitmap around instead of recreating it every time
Sep 30 21:09:08 <Joozey> oh, hmm
Sep 30 21:09:18 <sampullman> oops, i was reading early in the convo, sorry
Sep 30 21:09:22 <romainguy_> sampullman: or don't use a bitmap at all :)
Sep 30 21:09:26 <romainguy_> Joozey:  you also don't need the matrix
Sep 30 21:10:06 <Joozey> okay thanks, gonna try that. I know I should put the bitmap in the attributes
Sep 30 21:10:20 <romainguy_> don't use a bitmap :)
Sep 30 21:10:47 <xorgate> anyone going to droidcon London in a few weeks? and/or the hackathon afterwards?
Sep 30 21:11:05 <NerdyGirl> hey, how can I kill/stop another programm without using (root)kill ?
Sep 30 21:11:14 <Joozey> The canvas given as parameter in the draw method is the entire screen though, not the size of the little rectangle that I want to draw
Sep 30 21:11:32 <romainguy_> Joozey: it doesn't matter
Sep 30 21:11:39 <Joozey> just to clarifyt
Sep 30 21:11:40 <Joozey> -t
Sep 30 21:11:55 <romainguy_> rotate() doesn't rotate what you've already drawn
Sep 30 21:12:45 <Joozey> ooh
Sep 30 21:12:45 <Joozey> okay
Sep 30 21:12:55 <Joozey> weird
Sep 30 21:14:27 <Joozey> I see
Sep 30 21:15:42 <Joozey> almost working :)
Sep 30 21:15:45 <Joozey> this makes sense
Sep 30 21:16:19 <Joozey> thanks!
Sep 30 21:17:12 <Joozey> aaand works like a charm, even better than with the matrix
Sep 30 21:18:00 <tcial> Hi, I have a problem with debugging my app on the device.
Sep 30 21:18:14 <tcial> I am using the API key I got from my debug.keystore in my maps app
Sep 30 21:18:27 <tcial> But when I try and run it on the device, I just get the map grid without images
Sep 30 21:18:31 <tcial> It runs fine in the emulator
Sep 30 21:19:00 <tcial> What have I done wrong?
Sep 30 21:19:12 <Joozey> fixed version: http://pastebin.com/TVtiBDEA
Sep 30 21:22:12 <tcial> ...
Sep 30 21:30:07 <NerdyGirl> hey, how can I kill/stop another programm without using (root)kill ?
Sep 30 21:46:02 <KNERD> NerdyGirl: use kill (user) :-D
Sep 30 21:46:30 <NerdyGirl> knerd how do mean exactly?
Sep 30 21:46:51 <nenn3> NerdyGirl: There is a discussion on that here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9563404/kill-another-process-application-programatically
Sep 30 21:46:57 <KNERD> kill is kill no matter who is using it.
Sep 30 21:47:14 <KNERD> it's a matter of rihts to kil such a processes
Sep 30 21:48:24 <NerdyGirl> okay thanks, I will try it =)
Sep 30 22:05:45 <KNERD> The S~O site is overloaded
Sep 30 22:09:13 <Joozey> anyone here doing the ludum dare october compo? :)
Sep 30 22:11:29 <mdomino> So I'm positive this a noob mistake, but regardless I'm about to throw my computer through a wall. I created a second activity in an android app with eclipse and it is loaded in the AndroidManifest.xml and all, but for some reason I can't find it when I use setContentView(R.layout.activityname); and I also can't find any of the member (my ImageView) etc
Sep 30 22:13:46 <Joozey> is it in R.java?
Sep 30 22:14:16 <mdomino> How do I check that?
Sep 30 22:14:31 <NerdyGirl> nenn3: Process.killProcess/sendSignal(pid,SIGNAL_KILL) aren't working =(
Sep 30 22:14:35 <Joozey> gen->package->R.java
Sep 30 22:15:08 <mdomino> It is under menu, but not under layout
Sep 30 22:15:16 <mdomino> The activity that is, and the imageView isn't under id
Sep 30 22:16:04 <Joozey> so
Sep 30 22:16:23 <Joozey> sounds to me like setContentView( R.menu.activityname ); will work
Sep 30 22:16:50 <Joozey> at least will find it, but unsure about the menu tag. Haven't used a menu before.
Sep 30 22:16:54 <mdomino> Awesome, give me a sec ot try it out
Sep 30 22:16:59 <mdomino> I'm not TRYING to use a menu :P
Sep 30 22:17:08 <Joozey> then there's an error somewhere :P
Sep 30 22:17:57 <mdomino> Heh, it's getting more and more apparent. It's weird though. I can feed the activity info through an intent and use a Toast to show it to prove it is getting it... I can get the activity to show up, just cant interact with any form controls
Sep 30 22:19:44 <mdomino> Uhhhh.... it just started working when I deleted and recreated it
Sep 30 22:20:03 <Joozey> but it's still under menu?
Sep 30 22:20:31 <mdomino> Now it's showing under layout AND menu
Sep 30 22:20:42 <Joozey> :D
Sep 30 22:20:50 <mdomino> I <3 eclipse lol
Sep 30 22:24:00 <mdomino> Now why isn't my new activity inheriting Theme.Black >___<
Sep 30 22:24:18 <nenn3> isnt it Theme.Holo.Black ?
Sep 30 22:24:53 <nenn3> oh sorry, thought of theme.holo.dark
Sep 30 22:24:57 <mdomino> I have it in styles.xml but for some reason it is pulling it for my first activity but not the new one
Sep 30 22:25:09 <Joozey> you need to define it in the manifest
Sep 30 22:25:36 <Joozey> <activity android:theme="@android:style/Theme.Black"
Sep 30 22:26:18 <mdomino> Awesome, thanks Joozey
Sep 30 22:26:42 <Joozey> took me a bit to figure out aswell :)
Sep 30 22:28:40 <mdomino> That's one thing I'll give MS. VS2012 is pretty nice for WP8 dev :x
Sep 30 22:29:35 <Joozey> never tried WP8 dev, is it much better compared to eclipse and android?
Sep 30 22:30:25 <mdomino> I prefer c# over java in general, personally. But while eclipse is amazing it seems that layouts and user interactions are easier to handle in WP8/W8 dev
Sep 30 22:30:41 <mdomino> Been playing with the SDK all week, kinda hoping that it gets big and I can be an early adopter with some of the apps lol
Sep 30 22:31:09 <Joozey> coming from mosync I already thought this was pretty easy, and the realtime xml <-> sourcecode thing is neat
Sep 30 22:31:56 <mdomino> I do like that, for some reason I just have trouble with java. Like, significanly more trouble than c/c++/c# etc
Sep 30 22:33:16 <Joozey> What is it you have trouble with? Java is a lot like c++ to me, except for the stricter separation extending and implementing
Sep 30 22:33:29 <Joozey> of*
Sep 30 22:34:16 <mdomino> I don't think it's so much java, as android lol. It's just the basics of having to find every resource before I can use it and the different contexts in which things can run
Sep 30 22:34:36 <mdomino> Just doesn't seem as intuitive as double clicking a button and having it create an onClick() for me
Sep 30 22:34:52 <Joozey> ah yeah, I agree
Sep 30 22:35:10 <Joozey> still splashing around in that as well
Sep 30 22:35:13 <mdomino> But for the basic stuff I'm doing Stack Overflow and the android dev site can fix most of it for me
Sep 30 22:35:41 <Joozey> and the irc :)
Sep 30 22:35:48 <mdomino> Hahahaa and the Joozey
Sep 30 22:35:53 <Joozey> ;)
Sep 30 22:36:13 <mdomino> But my god I got this project done, I think. Gotta go feed the dogs. Thanks a gain man, be back in a bit and maybe I can help unstupid someone too :)
Sep 30 22:51:09 <Ramtron> How do I run android-sdk in linux?
Sep 30 22:54:50 <leslie> Ramtron: http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
Sep 30 22:54:59 <Ramtron> I've installed it
Sep 30 22:55:14 <Ramtron> I just can't seem to run it, and input commands to downgrade my dinc2
Sep 30 22:55:23 <leslie> did you install any SDKs yet?
Sep 30 22:55:31 <Ramtron> I installed the tools
Sep 30 22:55:37 <leslie> ok. now run "android"
Sep 30 22:55:43 <Ramtron> from the terminal?
Sep 30 22:55:50 <leslie> sure
Sep 30 22:56:51 <Ramtron> once I change to the directory "android" is under, what do i type to run?
Sep 30 22:56:59 <leslie> ./android
Sep 30 22:57:59 <Ramtron> I suppose I could've just clicked it. anyway, it opens to the place where I installed the sdk tools and platform tools, although there's nowhere to input commands.
Sep 30 22:58:37 <Ramtron> Can now use the terminal if I change to the directory android-SDK? could the problem be I'm not running as root?
Sep 30 22:58:47 <leslie> no
Sep 30 22:58:59 <leslie> http://i.imgur.com/jQmC8.png do you not get a window like that when you run android?
Sep 30 22:59:00 <Ramtron> No to what?
Sep 30 22:59:08 <Ramtron> Yes, I have that window
Sep 30 22:59:28 <leslie> ok. install any updates it asks you to, plus whatever platforms you want.
Sep 30 22:59:29 <Ramtron> Where do I input commands such as "adb push tacoroot.sh /data/local/"?
Sep 30 22:59:39 <Ramtron> to my phone
Sep 30 22:59:43 <leslie> you'd have to add the SDK paths to your path variable
Sep 30 22:59:52 <Ramtron> I'm not sure what you mean
Sep 30 23:00:16 <leslie> export PATH=…../platform-tools:…./tools:$PATH
Sep 30 23:00:49 <Ramtron> type that into terminal?
Sep 30 23:01:02 <leslie> yes. replace the ….. bits with the full paths for those two directories
Sep 30 23:01:26 <Ramtron> I'll give it a shot
Sep 30 23:03:28 <leslie> you have to install at least the SDK platform tools for ADB to be available, btw
Sep 30 23:03:59 <Ramtron> I typed what you said, and nothing occurred, I'll check if I installed that, but I'm pretty sure I did
Sep 30 23:04:20 <Ramtron> Both under "tools" are installed
Sep 30 23:04:22 <Ramtron> in SDK
Sep 30 23:05:05 <leslie> yeah, it won't say anything. but type "adb" now
Sep 30 23:05:41 <Ramtron> Seems to give me a list of commands.
Sep 30 23:05:50 <Ramtron> So I'm safe to start using my commands?
Sep 30 23:06:31 <leslie> yeah
Sep 30 23:06:35 <leslie> type adb devices
Sep 30 23:07:02 <Ramtron> says list of devices, then "???????????????????????"
Sep 30 23:07:10 <Ramtron> with no permissions
Sep 30 23:07:21 <leslie> then you have to setup udev
Sep 30 23:07:39 <Ramtron> So I've actually been missing a whole step? How do I go about that?
Sep 30 23:08:02 <leslie> http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html
Sep 30 23:08:21 <leslie> the Linux bit, assuming you're using Ubuntu or similar
Sep 30 23:08:35 <Ramtron> Ubuntu, yes
Sep 30 23:09:35 <Ramtron> Do I just create the file in the folder, under "etc" myself, or use the terminal?
Sep 30 23:10:31 <leslie> use the terminal. you have to create it as root too btw
Sep 30 23:10:50 <Ramtron> I have no idea how to go about that. I'm quite the Linux noob
Sep 30 23:11:17 <leslie> sudo gedit /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
Sep 30 23:11:21 <Ramtron> Probably much easier than I'm making it out to be though
Sep 30 23:11:40 <leslie> paste the next line, substituting the correct USB vendor ID, save it, close it
Sep 30 23:13:29 <Ramtron> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev"
Sep 30 23:13:36 <Ramtron> 0b05 replaces idVendor?
Sep 30 23:13:59 <Ramtron> or 0bb4
Sep 30 23:14:11 <leslie> what device are you using?
Sep 30 23:14:13 <Ramtron> Asus
Sep 30 23:14:27 <leslie> replace the 0bb4 with 0b05
Sep 30 23:16:03 <Ramtron> Alright, now I type "chmod a+r /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules" and permission is not permitted
Sep 30 23:16:10 <Ramtron> operation is not permitted*
Sep 30 23:16:27 <leslie> that also has to be done as root. add sudo to the front
Sep 30 23:16:50 <Ramtron> It will also say nothing?
Sep 30 23:16:55 <leslie> yes
Sep 30 23:17:13 <leslie> now type adb devices again
Sep 30 23:17:21 <Ramtron> "???????????" no permissions
Sep 30 23:17:25 <Ramtron> "
Sep 30 23:17:28 <leslie> hmm
Sep 30 23:17:50 <leslie> unplug the devices and plug it back in
Sep 30 23:17:53 <Ramtron> usb debugging is enabled
Sep 30 23:17:57 <Ramtron> okay
Sep 30 23:18:03 <Joozey> lol my mobile rebooted after leaving my app on for a long time. Could it be an incrementing integer exceeding its bounds?
Sep 30 23:18:11 <leslie> now try again
Sep 30 23:18:22 <leslie> huh, weird
Sep 30 23:18:30 <Ramtron> Same response :x
Sep 30 23:18:52 <Ramtron> I'll try a different usb port
Sep 30 23:19:09 <leslie> I'm going out anyway. later
Sep 30 23:19:16 <Joozey> humpf, why can I send an error report to htc, but not read it myself
Sep 30 23:19:20 <Ramtron> have fun
Sep 30 23:19:27 <Mgamerz> trade secretzzz
Sep 30 23:19:33 <Joozey> >:(
Sep 30 23:19:37 <Ramtron> gah
Sep 30 23:19:44 <Mgamerz> does anyone here use (or have installed) nfc task launcher
Sep 30 23:19:47 <Ramtron> my phone still isn't showing up under adb devices
Sep 30 23:20:55 <Joozey> keep trying, I had the same problem
Sep 30 23:21:09 <Joozey> can't remember how I got it working though :P
Sep 30 23:33:13 <panegyric> Is there any good tool to design/implement gui's for android apps?
Sep 30 23:34:32 <sampullman> i don't think so
Sep 30 23:34:47 <Mgamerz> ... the built in eclipse one
Sep 30 23:34:50 <Mgamerz> it jsut takes a little work
Sep 30 23:35:13 <panegyric> little work is an understatement
Sep 30 23:35:16 <sampullman> way back when there was DroidDraw, but it's been dead for a while
Sep 30 23:35:32 <sampullman> i wish there was a good one
Sep 30 23:44:38 <panegyric> why are package names written like com.nba.www
Sep 30 23:45:01 <Mgamerz> its how java did it
Sep 30 23:45:12 <panegyric> but theres a purpose right?
Sep 30 23:45:13 <Mgamerz> its the reverse of a url (www.nba.com). its to make them more unique
Sep 30 23:45:24 <panegyric> is it hierarchical or something
Sep 30 23:45:42 <Mgamerz> kind of, but it also makes it so its hard to make 2 of the same packages from different developers
Sep 30 23:45:47 <Mgamerz> its a java thing.
Oct 01 00:12:04 <lethjakman_lapto> I have an app that could potentially take up a LOT of memory....to the point that I've already crashed it. How much should I buffer into memory? Would 10mb be too much?
Oct 01 00:12:58 <jasta> lethjakman_lapto: your per-process limit scales with the screen density (the assumption being that if you have more pixels to push you should have more memory to store those pixels)
Oct 01 00:13:44 <lethjakman_lapto> what do I do when I need to buffer it though?
Oct 01 00:13:49 <jasta> so, if your memory consumed is in bitmaps that will also naturally scale in size with the screen resolution, then you fit pretty neatly into that model
Oct 01 00:14:01 <lethjakman_lapto> it's in an array
Oct 01 00:14:07 <jasta> and from there, you just need to be efficient to only utilize memory in a cache sense for anything not actually drawn
Oct 01 00:14:18 <jasta> lethjakman_lapto: all your data is in a giant array?
Oct 01 00:14:19 <lethjakman_lapto> it's an audio centric app that generates sounds
Oct 01 00:14:30 <lethjakman_lapto> pretty much
Oct 01 00:14:39 <jasta> so is your question how do programmers cache data?
Oct 01 00:14:59 <lethjakman_lapto> well...I just don't know how much I should have in memory and how much I should have cached
Oct 01 00:15:10 <lethjakman_lapto> if you have a text or something on caching that would probably help though
Oct 01 00:15:22 <jasta> lethjakman_lapto: the strongest design of course would let the VM decide by using a soft or weak reference cache
Oct 01 00:15:27 <g00s> also, there is the manifest <application> android:largeHeap flag for more recent versions of android
Oct 01 00:15:28 <jasta> but that can be difficult to get right
Oct 01 00:16:10 <sampullman> doesn't the gc basically ignore weak references?
Oct 01 00:16:11 <lethjakman_lapto> I don't have a clue where to begin with that honestly, but I'm willing to give it a shot
Oct 01 00:16:17 <sampullman> or was it soft, i can't remember
Oct 01 00:16:20 <g00s> "Most apps should not need this and should instead focus on reducing their overall memory usage for improved performance."
Oct 01 00:16:28 <jasta> another good model is to be very conservative with memory usage and instead rely on a fast disk and cpu.  this of course trades simplicity in design for user experience tho
Oct 01 00:17:13 <jasta> sampullman: "basically ignore weak references"?  i can't understand what you could possibly mean by that.
Oct 01 00:17:22 <lethjakman_lapto> jasta: I like the idea of letting the VM to decide...but how would I weak reference? I don't really know what to google for that
Oct 01 00:17:36 <lethjakman_lapto> g00s: I'd rather not do that, because this is such a limited device
Oct 01 00:17:41 <jasta> lethjakman_lapto: google for a soft reference cache in java and go learn.
Oct 01 00:17:49 <sampullman> meaning it doesn't include them in the ref count at all
Oct 01 00:17:53 <lethjakman_lapto> and that's fully compatable with android?
Oct 01 00:17:56 <g00s> lethjakman_lapto: also, dont forget the compat lib has an lru cache
Oct 01 00:18:48 <jasta> sampullman: it's really hard to grok what you're saying.  do you know how the VM really works or are you just spitballing random stuff here? :)
Oct 01 00:19:46 <jasta> lethjakman_lapto: oh yes, and to g00s comment, LRU's that combine soft and strong references together make for very strong cache designs within java VMs.
Oct 01 00:19:59 <lethjakman_lapto> g00s: very interesting.....this might be perfect, thank you.
Oct 01 00:20:30 <sampullman> heh, i have an idea, but i'm not being clear
Oct 01 00:20:37 <lethjakman_lapto> jasta: very interesting. I'm doing a lot of reading, thank you for pushing me in the right direction
Oct 01 00:22:26 <sampullman> my point is: a soft reference is better than a weak reference for caching, because a weakly referenced object (with 0 strong) references gets thrown out as soon as possible
Oct 01 00:23:04 <sampullman> *(with 0 strong references)
Oct 01 00:23:30 <jasta> sampullman: actually, it depends entirely on the type of cache you're trying to build.
Oct 01 00:23:38 <jasta> but in general, yes, a soft ref cache is more appropriate.
Oct 01 00:23:52 <sampullman> i suppose you're right. i confused myself for a minute
Oct 01 00:23:54 <jasta> however, your conclusion remains off still.  the VM doesn't discard objects without strong references immediately
Oct 01 00:24:08 <sampullman> *eagerly
Oct 01 00:24:38 <jasta> soft references by design are intended to become less desirable targets for GC though.  Android actually for a long time (and perhaps even today) ignored this feature, however.
Oct 01 00:25:26 <jasta> so weakreferences would still potentially last quite a while longer than you might think.
Oct 01 00:25:44 <sampullman> i heard somewhere that the gc in newer versions collect weak references as soon as possible
Oct 01 00:25:56 <sampullman> maybe it was the google io memory management talk
Oct 01 00:25:56 <jasta> for instance, while (true) { new Object(); } will not be allocating and freeing objects in rapid succession.
Oct 01 00:26:26 <jasta> it will actually allocate a huge number of them and then release a similarly huge number of them on an apparent interval.
Oct 01 00:26:49 <jasta> sampullman: weak references don't behave any differently than if you had no reference at all.
Oct 01 00:27:08 <jasta> what you just said implies that weak references actually make the GC hungrier for the object than if you had not used it at all.  this is of course not true.
Oct 01 00:27:18 <sampullman> oh, i didn't mean to imply that
Oct 01 00:27:33 <jasta> "newer versions collect weak references as soon as possible"
Oct 01 00:27:37 <sampullman> right
Oct 01 00:27:45 <jasta> as soon as possible is immediately after they are not stronlgy referenced.
Oct 01 00:27:57 <sampullman> "as soon as possible" meaning the next time the GC gets a chance
Oct 01 00:28:07 <jasta> as in my loop example, that would mean that the GC looked like so: new, GC, new, GC, new, GC, ...
Oct 01 00:28:10 <jasta> but it doesn't.
Oct 01 00:28:46 <jasta> sampullman: i don't know which language you're using, but over here i'm thinking English.  as soon as possible to me means as soon as it is _possible_, not convenient :)
Oct 01 00:29:14 <sampullman> i meant as soon as possible in the context of the dalvik VM, but i see how that wasn't clear
Oct 01 00:30:00 <jasta> also, something to be aware of, a lot of modern VMs won't even reap all 'dead' objects in each GC pass.
Oct 01 00:30:20 <sampullman> especially the concurrent GC in newer versions of android
Oct 01 00:30:33 <jasta> generational GC engines would be willing to overlook a set of dead objects from one pass to the next
Oct 01 00:30:39 <panegyric> whats GC?
Oct 01 00:30:45 <sampullman> for the sake of efficiency
Oct 01 00:30:58 <sampullman> panegyric: garbage collector
Oct 01 00:31:11 <panegyric> they make a lot of money
Oct 01 00:31:36 <panegyric> so i may not want to employ them for my app
Oct 01 00:32:17 <muhoo> so, @+id/name_of_thing must be unique among ALL the layouts in an app?
Oct 01 00:32:33 <jasta> panegyric: ...i doubt anyone thinks your ignorance is cute.
Oct 01 00:32:46 <sampullman> muhoo: it should, yes
Oct 01 00:32:47 <muhoo> i.e.  R.id.button_home_user , doesn't seem to be scoped to any particular layout, and in R.java they are all mushed together
Oct 01 00:32:49 <jasta> muhoo: not at all, ids needn't be unique anywhere.
Oct 01 00:33:03 <panegyric> jasta, who made you a socialite?
Oct 01 00:33:03 <sampullman> it's good practice to though, isn't it?
Oct 01 00:33:03 <jasta> in fact, i wouldn't even recommend it.
Oct 01 00:33:23 <jasta> sampullman: i don't think so.  it would lead to unnecessarily duplicated logic in quite a lot of cases.
Oct 01 00:33:49 <muhoo> jasta: how would i tell findViewById which layout xml file to go searching in?
Oct 01 00:34:10 <sampullman> findViewById depends on the context
Oct 01 00:34:12 <jasta> i see people do stupid stuff like label1, edittext1, label2, edittext2, etc when of course <layout id=item1> <textview id=label> <edittext id=edittext> </layout> would make wayyy more sense.
Oct 01 00:34:29 <muhoo> it seems, if you have foo.xml, has @+id/bar, but than have baz.xml, with @+id/bar, they'd stomp on each other
Oct 01 00:34:29 <jasta> muhoo: findViewById doesn't read layout XML files, i don't know what you're asking.
Oct 01 00:34:45 <sampullman> muhoo: no, they won't
Oct 01 00:34:46 <jasta> muhoo: i think that you don't understand how view hierarchies work, perhaps.
Oct 01 00:34:52 <muhoo> probably not
Oct 01 00:35:00 <jasta> consider the example i just demonstrated above.
Oct 01 00:35:11 <jasta> i could repeat those outer <layout> objects over and over again in the same view hierarchy
Oct 01 00:35:23 <muhoo> oh oh! nevermind, i found it setContentView(R.layout.activity_home);
Oct 01 00:35:41 <jasta> and i can still locate each subview thusly: View item1 = findViewById(R.id.item1); View item1Label = item1.findViewById(R.id.label);
Oct 01 00:35:55 <jasta> muhoo: you just found setContentView?  uhm.
Oct 01 00:36:28 <sampullman> be nice to the beginner
Oct 01 00:36:33 <muhoo> jasta: yeah, i'm in ove rmy head :-)
Oct 01 00:36:46 <jasta> im just confused why he's even worrying about the uniqueness of ids before his hello world has even run.
Oct 01 00:36:55 <sampullman> good point
Oct 01 00:36:57 <jasta> seems like he's getting way ahead of himself
Oct 01 00:37:03 <muhoo> no, it's someone else's code, i'm trying to figure out how it works.
Oct 01 00:37:25 <muhoo> sorry for the noise
Oct 01 00:37:27 <jasta> muhoo: i think you should start with figuring out how Android APIs work (in this case, the view system).  then move on to understanding someone's code that uses it.
Oct 01 00:37:28 <sampullman> muhoo: read the docs if you're confused about something you see (setContentView, findViewById), etc
Oct 01 00:37:32 <jasta> check the ApiDemos.
Oct 01 00:37:44 <Mgamerz> android ui is nothing like java's swing
Oct 01 00:37:55 <Mgamerz> threw me off for like 2 weeks trying to wrap my head around it
Oct 01 00:38:09 <muhoo> i actually like  it, it' sjust new to me.
Oct 01 00:38:13 <sampullman> i tried to do everything programmatically at first
Oct 01 00:38:17 <sampullman> :(
Oct 01 00:38:30 <jasta> as did i.  that lasted only a month though :)
Oct 01 00:38:47 <panegyric> so i added an editText widget
Oct 01 00:38:51 <panegyric> how do i change the text
Oct 01 00:39:29 <sampullman> ((EditText)findViewById(R.id.edit_text_id)).setText("my text");
Oct 01 00:39:55 <jasta> bbl
Oct 01 00:40:21 <panegyric> oh so that has to be done on the java side, not the xml?
Oct 01 00:40:28 <panegyric> or the project strings
Oct 01 00:40:42 <sampullman> in the xml you can have an attribute android:text="my text"
Oct 01 00:41:07 <sampullman> the first example was in java, yes
Oct 01 00:41:43 <panegyric> is there a reason to prefer one over the other?
Oct 01 00:42:41 <sampullman> if the text is static (never changes) just doing it in xml is sufficient
Oct 01 00:42:47 <sampullman> otherwise you must do it programmatically
Oct 01 00:42:56 <Leeds> static text in an editText?
Oct 01 00:43:09 <sampullman> oops
Oct 01 00:43:24 <panegyric> got it, but if its static, whats the advantage of doing it xml over java?
Oct 01 00:43:34 <sampullman> im way too caffeinated right now
Oct 01 00:44:15 <sampullman> the original answer should have been: you change the text by  clicking it and typing stuff
Oct 01 00:44:27 <sampullman> (in the app)
Oct 01 00:45:49 <panegyric> hmm
Oct 01 00:45:53 <panegyric> that didnt work for me
Oct 01 00:45:54 <panegyric> for some reason
Oct 01 00:45:56 <panegyric> anyway
Oct 01 00:46:02 <panegyric> how do i center the text, xml right?
Oct 01 00:46:49 <panegyric> yes sampullman if you right click> edit text then you can edit the text
Oct 01 00:46:54 <leslie> it's either gravity or layout_gravity, I forget
Oct 01 00:47:04 <panegyric> if you double click on the editText widget it goes to the xml
Oct 01 00:47:21 <sampullman> i meant..like..on your phone
Oct 01 00:47:36 <panegyric> got it, was gravity
Oct 01 00:47:43 <panegyric> i tried layout wasnt working
Oct 01 00:48:19 <panegyric> ohh
Oct 01 00:48:28 <panegyric> editText, the user can change right
Oct 01 00:48:32 <sampullman> yes
Oct 01 00:48:37 <sampullman> that's the whole point
Oct 01 00:48:42 <panegyric> then what do i use if i just want to put some static text , that can't be changed?
Oct 01 00:48:47 <sampullman> TextView
Oct 01 00:49:18 <panegyric> got you
Oct 01 00:49:52 <panegyric> also, when you create an android app on eclipse, it uses your app name and puts it on the very top, is this to be consistent with android guidelines, and can you get rid of that "header" if you wanted to?
Oct 01 00:50:20 <leslie> change the theme to NoTitle
Oct 01 00:50:51 <panegyric> is textView a part of the palette?
Oct 01 00:51:03 <panegyric> oh ok leslie
Oct 01 00:51:11 <panegyric> is that something i can change
Oct 01 00:51:19 <panegyric> once i've already started the development?
Oct 01 00:51:22 <sampullman> yes
Oct 01 00:51:36 <leslie> yeah, in the xml, on the <activity> tag
Oct 01 00:52:36 <panegyric> i have no tags
Oct 01 00:52:59 <leslie> in AndroidManifest.xml
Oct 01 00:53:03 <panegyric> http://pastebin.com/mbUsLTeb
Oct 01 00:53:06 <panegyric> thats all i have
Oct 01 00:53:07 <panegyric> ohh
Oct 01 00:53:17 <panegyric> why is it called AndroidManifest ?
Oct 01 00:53:23 <panegyric> so hard to get
Oct 01 00:53:28 <Leeds> because that's what it's called!
Oct 01 00:53:42 <Leeds> it could be called ManifestFileForAndroidApplications.xml
Oct 01 00:53:44 <leslie> it's a listing of app settings etc
Oct 01 00:53:44 <sampullman> what would you call it?
Oct 01 00:53:45 * Mgamerz is so excited to get his galaxy nexus this week
Oct 01 00:53:56 <leslie> Mgamerz, ^5
Oct 01 00:54:17 <sampullman> DescriptionOfGeneralAttributesForAnAndroidApplication.xml would be better
Oct 01 00:54:29 <panegyric> ha
Oct 01 00:54:47 <leslie> SettingsNShite.xml
Oct 01 00:55:18 <panegyric> ok im in the activity tag
Oct 01 00:55:37 <panegyric> how do i get rid of that "header" on my app interface though
Oct 01 00:55:59 <leslie> panegyric: are you targeting ice cream sandwich or lower than that?
Oct 01 00:56:06 <sampullman> android:theme="@android:style/Theme.NoTitleBar"
Oct 01 00:56:16 <panegyric> everything honeycomb after
Oct 01 00:56:19 <sampullman> these things can be answered with google
Oct 01 00:56:31 <leslie> NoActionBar or something is the right one then, I think?
Oct 01 00:56:48 <sampullman> no title bar works with my JB device
Oct 01 00:56:55 <leslie> ah cool
Oct 01 00:56:57 <sampullman> but maybe it's getting deprecated?
Oct 01 00:57:22 <panegyric> how do i get rid of it?
Oct 01 00:57:25 <leslie> what's your target api, sampullman ?
Oct 01 00:57:27 <panegyric> oh sam got you
Oct 01 00:57:37 <sampullman> erm, depends
Oct 01 00:57:39 <sampullman> usually 13
Oct 01 00:57:49 <leslie> ah ok. you're probably right then
Oct 01 00:58:36 <panegyric> wait
Oct 01 00:58:48 <Juest> hello, how i can modify apks with android itself?
Oct 01 00:58:48 <panegyric> theme.NoTitleBar doesnt work
Oct 01 00:59:05 <leslie> try Theme.NoActionBar
Oct 01 00:59:29 <panegyric> also doesnt work
Oct 01 00:59:35 <leslie> but that should be Theme, not theme btw
Oct 01 00:59:47 <panegyric> i know typo
Oct 01 01:00:00 <leslie> any error message?
Oct 01 01:00:26 <leslie> when you say it doesn't work, you mean you ran it on the device and the title bar was still there?
Oct 01 01:01:07 <Juest> hmmm, maybe is because phoneui, tabletui and system layout?
Oct 01 01:01:19 <Leeds> Juest: please, just go away
Oct 01 01:01:59 <panegyric> leslie Theme.NoActionBar doesnt work eeither
Oct 01 01:02:24 <leslie> if you're trying to get it to change in Eclipse, it won't. you have to select the theme from the top
Oct 01 01:03:02 <Juest> i need help....
Oct 01 01:03:19 <Juest> how i  can modify apks with android itself?
Oct 01 01:03:24 <sampullman> Juest: no
Oct 01 01:03:30 <sampullman> don't do that
Oct 01 01:03:39 <Juest> sampullman: why?
Oct 01 01:03:47 <sampullman> there is no good reason to
Oct 01 01:03:53 <Juest> sampullman: and?
Oct 01 01:03:57 <sampullman> unless you're doing security research
Oct 01 01:05:00 <Juest> i want to do it for fun...
Oct 01 01:05:42 <leslie> panegyric: http://i.imgur.com/2adKB.png
Oct 01 01:05:49 <sampullman> this isn't the place to ask that sort of question
Oct 01 01:06:08 <leslie> ignore my abomination of an app, I was playing around
Oct 01 01:06:16 <Juest> sampullman: so? and i want to do it for no reason
Oct 01 01:06:28 <panegyric> i dont have that
Oct 01 01:06:30 <panegyric> im on indigo
Oct 01 01:06:35 <panegyric> do i need juno or something
Oct 01 01:06:46 <sampullman> Juest: (06:05:49 PM) sampullman: this isn't the place to ask that sort of question
Oct 01 01:06:59 <leslie> I dunno. check in Eclipse for software updates, panegyric ?
Oct 01 01:07:42 <panegyric> i have em all
Oct 01 01:07:51 <panegyric> but are you on the androidmanifest when you see that
Oct 01 01:08:00 <leslie> no, the actual xml layout
Oct 01 01:08:55 <panegyric> GOT IT!
Oct 01 01:08:58 <panegyric> thanks leslie
Oct 01 01:09:10 <panegyric> youre my favorite leslie
Oct 01 01:09:14 <panegyric> besides lisa leslie
Oct 01 01:09:15 <leslie> np :)
Oct 01 01:09:16 <panegyric> but close 2nd
Oct 01 01:09:21 <leslie> who's that?
Oct 01 01:09:30 <panegyric> basketball player, never heard of her?
Oct 01 01:10:01 <leslie> nope
Oct 01 01:10:08 <leslie> basketball isn't really a thing here
Oct 01 01:10:19 <leslie> I mean it is, but not professional basketball, that's more of a US thing
Oct 01 01:12:59 <panegyric> oh got it
Oct 01 01:13:20 <panegyric> is there an easy way to get a textView?
Oct 01 01:13:32 * Mgamerz watches google wallet videos
Oct 01 01:14:50 <Mgamerz> you know what would be a cool accessory for hte nexus 7/galaxy nexus?
Oct 01 01:15:15 <Mgamerz> A case with 2 USB ports, and the bottom on hooked into it. It would have a hardware switch that would change it form USB host to OTG ports.
Oct 01 01:15:32 <Mgamerz> So one is like an extension cord and the other is like a otg extension, but still built into the case
Oct 01 01:15:41 <Mgamerz> and if you happen to break the ports, you don't bork your phone
Oct 01 01:16:30 <Mgamerz> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/stock-data-usage-monitor-hidden-in-android-gingerbread/
Oct 01 01:16:49 <panegyric> is there an easy way to get a textView leslie
Oct 01 01:17:00 <Mgamerz> a textview?
Oct 01 01:17:11 <Leeds> TextView tv=new TextView(this);
Oct 01 01:17:52 <Mgamerz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXr1kmuqGcU
Oct 01 01:18:02 <Juest> i want to change apk layout without having src and with android itself (it's android-x86 and i have nothing but this)
Oct 01 01:18:09 <Mgamerz> i love that video. Da truth.
Oct 01 01:18:43 <panegyric> graphically
Oct 01 01:18:51 <panegyric> i cant drag and drop a textview i mean
Oct 01 01:19:06 <leslie> yes, it's in the widgets
Oct 01 01:19:20 <Mgamerz> You can, or manually define one in the xml tab at the bottom of the gui builder
Oct 01 01:19:51 <leslie> under form widgets
Oct 01 01:20:34 <panegyric> can i change the name of "activity_main.xml" after i've set up the project
Oct 01 01:20:40 <Mgamerz> yep
Oct 01 01:20:42 <Mgamerz> refactor it
Oct 01 01:20:53 <Mgamerz> right click -> refactor -> rename
Oct 01 01:21:02 <Mgamerz> make sure you change all references to the file, if it doesn't do it for you
Oct 01 01:21:13 <Mgamerz> it'll crash if you don't and thats how you'll know
Oct 01 01:21:15 <Mgamerz> or it won't even build
Oct 01 01:26:19 <panegyric> you know that little thing that shows errors, under the graphical layout of what youre working on
Oct 01 01:26:29 <panegyric> most annoying thing, can i get rid of it?!
Oct 01 01:26:39 <Mgamerz> nope.
Oct 01 01:26:45 <Mgamerz> well, probably, but I never bothered.
Oct 01 01:26:52 <panegyric> not the console, but the error log thing
Oct 01 01:26:54 <Mgamerz> You're going to find that the manual xml editor has a horrid bug
Oct 01 01:27:00 <Mgamerz> oh, nope. those always come up.
Oct 01 01:27:05 <panegyric> what bug
Oct 01 01:27:22 <Mgamerz> it'll start redrawing an old ... like... view of the editor, over the new one, so it looks bad but its not showing the true code
Oct 01 01:27:35 <Mgamerz> and if you click the code, its like that line was scrolled 3 more lines up or down, so it changes
Oct 01 01:27:43 <Mgamerz> so clicking or highlighting makes the code go all beserk
Oct 01 01:27:49 <Mgamerz> (its all the same but you can't see what your actually editing)
Oct 01 01:27:52 <Mgamerz> its a huge pain in the ass
Oct 01 01:28:05 <Mgamerz> just close and reopen it
Oct 01 01:29:55 <panegyric> if i make a textView, it has to use a string text?
Oct 01 01:30:24 <panegyric> android:text="NAME:" wont work?
Oct 01 01:32:15 <Leeds> "NAME:" *is* a string
Oct 01 01:32:20 <Leeds> wtf are you on about?
Oct 01 01:36:53 <panegyric> heyy
Oct 01 01:36:59 <panegyric> my XML is so bugyyyy
Oct 01 01:39:19 <panegyric> setContentView(R.layout.main);     gives me R cannot be resolved to a variable
Oct 01 01:44:44 <panegyric> when i tried to change the theme to NoTitleBar
Oct 01 01:44:57 <panegyric> it messed up the whole androidManifest
Oct 01 01:45:05 <panegyric> had 2 copies of everything in the manifest
Oct 01 01:45:22 <panegyric> so i removed the one that didnt include the NoTitleBar
Oct 01 01:45:29 <panegyric> and then 'R' started working ha
Oct 01 01:49:10 <panegyric> why does the name of my app onthe emulator say MainActivity?
Oct 01 01:50:03 <sampullman> that's the name of the activity
Oct 01 01:50:24 <panegyric> how do i change the activity name
Oct 01 01:54:14 <panegyric> it keeps saying MainActivity!!?!
Oct 01 01:54:19 <panegyric> this is driving me crazy
Oct 01 01:55:13 <tech1> i think change the class name that extends activity and declare it in manifest
Oct 01 01:55:51 <panegyric> the class name that extends it
Oct 01 01:55:52 <panegyric> i changed
Oct 01 01:55:59 <panegyric> what do you mean declare it manifest though
Oct 01 01:56:19 <panegyric> OHHH
Oct 01 01:56:29 <tech1> i think activities need to be declared in android manifest xml file
Oct 01 01:57:12 <panegyric> it was stored as a string under VALUES directory in the package explorer
Oct 01 02:00:13 <panegyric> how come it doesnt let you emulate when youre currently viewing an xml
Oct 01 02:00:20 <panegyric> why do you have to move to a java file
Oct 01 02:00:26 <panegyric> and then press the emulate button?
Oct 01 02:00:47 <leslie> wut?
Oct 01 02:03:08 <sampullman> InternetFriends: stop that :-/
Oct 01 02:03:54 <panegyric> like if im editing a xml
Oct 01 02:04:07 <panegyric> and then i hit the play shortcut button to run the emulator
Oct 01 02:04:25 <panegyric> it builds or compiles the xml or somehting
Oct 01 02:04:25 <leslie> it'll run the main activity
Oct 01 02:04:30 <panegyric> and i get a xml.out
Oct 01 02:05:13 <panegyric> can i make my textView bigger, i use the largest one that they have in the widgets ..but it's way too small...why do they even call that large?
Oct 01 02:05:58 <Leeds> panegyric: then edit the XML like an actual developer and make it bigger
Oct 01 02:06:01 <leslie> panegyric: it's one of the sizes specified in the Android style guidelines. you can set a textsize in sp units if you really want bigger
Oct 01 02:07:18 <panegyric> sp means?
Oct 01 02:07:41 <leslie> scale point or something, I dunno
Oct 01 02:07:46 <panegyric> thanks lesli =)
Oct 01 02:08:02 <leslie> basically, use dp for most stuff, sp for text
Oct 01 02:08:21 <Leeds> panegyric: seriously... you need to spend a lot more time getting friendly with the docs
Oct 01 02:08:32 <panegyric> docs?
Oct 01 02:08:38 <panegyric> which docs?
Oct 01 02:08:47 <leslie> d.android.com
Oct 01 02:08:51 <panegyric> guidlines & stuff?
Oct 01 02:09:03 <Leeds> yeah, guidlins & stuf
Oct 01 02:11:36 <panegyric> patronizing much?
Oct 01 02:11:50 <Leeds> asking for it much?
Oct 01 02:11:58 <leslie> panegyric: ever heard of The New Boston?
Oct 01 02:16:05 <leslie> panegyric: http://thenewboston.org/list.php?cat=6
Oct 01 02:19:20 <chups> hey guys, i was wondering on how to implement the "News Feed" item in the tabs using native lib http://ghost301.deviantart.com/art/Facebook-for-Android-ICS-WIP-299052187
Oct 01 02:19:27 <chups> i don't think it's available right?
Oct 01 02:19:58 <chups> i think what the designer meant was that when you tap on the "News Feed" item, a spinner pops out to filter the content
Oct 01 02:20:17 <chups> also, the bottom menu has to be a custom layout right?
Oct 01 02:20:54 <chups> because if I set the android:uiOptions="splitActionBarWhenNarrow" , then the overflow won't appear
Oct 01 02:21:12 <chups> plus, the actionbar's background color is different (top and bottom bgcolors)
Oct 01 02:21:25 <sampullman> ? why does the bottom have to be a custom layout?
Oct 01 02:21:31 <sampullman> custom background, yeah
Oct 01 02:21:44 <chups> sampullman, because the overflow won't appear anymore
Oct 01 02:21:54 <chups> unless there's a way that I am not aware of
Oct 01 02:22:28 <sampullman> i see
Oct 01 02:22:41 <sampullman> it doesn't have to be an action bar though, it could just be a lin. layout
Oct 01 02:23:08 <sampullman> although i guess AB makes more sense
Oct 01 02:25:26 <chups> hmmm..
Oct 01 02:25:30 <chups> i'm troubled with the tabs
Oct 01 02:25:38 <leslie> in ab?
Oct 01 02:25:48 <chups> i don't think there's a way to insert a view within the items unless you hack into android's ab tabs implem
Oct 01 02:26:01 <chups> what do you guys think?
Oct 01 02:26:16 <leslie> so you want custom tabs?
Oct 01 02:26:27 <sampullman> i know that used to be the case, i would have hoped there's a way to do it now
Oct 01 02:26:28 <chups> i think it's the way to go
Oct 01 02:26:33 <chups> custom tabs i mean
Oct 01 02:26:46 <leslie> what do you want to customise about them exactly?
Oct 01 02:27:05 <chups> the tab items, need to insert a spinner there
Oct 01 02:27:14 <chups> the top and bottom actionbar
Oct 01 02:27:36 <chups> once you specify "splitActionbarWhenNarrow", the overflow icon won't show up anymore
Oct 01 02:27:46 <chups> so the bottom actionbar has to be custom as well
Oct 01 02:27:58 <Manavan> I have an GlSurfaceView and SlidingDrawer. SlidingDrawer handle shows fine but when I drag it, it animates below GLSurfaceView, then shows content fine. When I close it, it agains goes and hide under GLSurfaceView. I tried bringToFront() but no use. Any idea
Oct 01 02:28:01 <leslie> I don't really understand what you're trying to do
Oct 01 02:28:11 <chups> how I wish i could be corrected in my initial inspection, it's too much work imo
Oct 01 02:28:44 <chups> leslie, was just looking at a design in deviant art and thinking of a way to implement it
Oct 01 02:28:52 <chups> not really a project, just practicing
Oct 01 02:28:56 <leslie> show?
Oct 01 02:29:45 <leslie> typically if it's that difficult to implement, you're probably doing it wrong. following the android style guide is preferable to being fancy in most cases
Oct 01 02:31:54 <Manavan> Anyone knows why SlidingDrawer is not working well with GLSurfaceView (or any other SurfaceView may be)
Oct 01 02:36:26 <ottodestrukt> anyone know if there's an SDK version of the stock camera app?
Oct 01 02:39:07 <leslie> ottodestrukt: meaning?
Oct 01 02:39:44 <ottodestrukt> leslie: i want to build a camera app using the stock app as a starting point, but the stock app isn't buildable on its own (as far as i can tell)
Oct 01 02:40:06 <leslie> no, I think you have to build it as part of aosp
Oct 01 02:40:16 <ottodestrukt> leslie: yeah, that's exactly what i don't want to do
Oct 01 02:40:45 <ottodestrukt> leslie: so i'm fixing up the app so it builds from the SDK, but i don't want to do it if someone else already has
Oct 01 02:40:46 <sampullman> search github/google code, im sure there's a simple open source camera app you can expand on
Oct 01 02:41:03 <ottodestrukt> sampullman: i haven't found anything reasonable
Oct 01 02:41:55 <sampullman> that's surprising. you may be on your own, then
Oct 01 02:42:09 <ottodestrukt> sampullman: yeah, i think so
Oct 01 02:45:13 <panegyric> i have an editText widget on my interface: it usually gets bigger if th user presses enter and makes it go into another line.  Is there anyway I can lock it, so that there is a limit on how much a user can type into it and so that the edittext box doesnt get bigger?
Oct 01 02:45:33 <Leeds> panegyric: *please* read the fucking manual before asking questions like that
Oct 01 02:45:41 <g00s> yeah ...
Oct 01 02:45:47 <panegyric> calm down
Oct 01 02:45:55 <panegyric> theres no reason to use foul language
Oct 01 02:45:56 <g00s> it will be pretty obvious if you look at the attributes
Oct 01 02:46:28 <Leeds> you are asking basic question after basic question, and it's obvious that you're making no effort to find the answer before asking
Oct 01 02:49:41 <panegyric> if anyone else wants to know the answer you can use setSingleLine(bool singleLine)   true will keep it a single line
Oct 01 02:49:53 <panegyric> apparently some ppl forgot this is a community
Oct 01 02:50:31 <sampullman> right, meaning  you shouldn't treat this like a search engine
Oct 01 02:51:20 <leslie> panegyric: maxLines in the xml too, I think
Oct 01 02:51:30 <panegyric> i dont, im just a novice, sometimes you need some direction to move further
Oct 01 02:51:35 <Manavan> So it seems I had to set the SlidingDrawer background to #00000000. I wonder what that value means. It definitely is not black.
Oct 01 02:51:49 <panegyric> isnt 0000000 white?
Oct 01 02:51:55 <leslie> Manavan: that value is black but 100% transparent
Oct 01 02:52:01 <leslie> so invisible
Oct 01 02:52:06 <panegyric> oh
Oct 01 02:52:18 <Manavan> oh wow. So it is not the same as @null for background value
Oct 01 02:52:28 <bkero> Hi guys.  Got temporary root on a device, attempting to run ./su from adb, adb logcat is saying "E/su    ( 4547): stat failed with 2: No such file or directory"
Oct 01 02:52:36 <bkero> Anybody encounter that error before?
Oct 01 02:52:57 <leslie> bkero: #android-root?
Oct 01 02:53:03 <Namidairo> this isnt the channel for it
Oct 01 02:53:08 <Namidairo> ^
Oct 01 02:58:06 <Manavan> I am in love with Android. I want to quit my day job and just develop android apps. But unfortunately I cant!
Oct 01 02:58:17 <bkero> oops, thought I was in android-root
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