**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 20 03:00:03 2012
Oct 20 03:29:14 <lasserix> Is the guy here who was trying to use a custom font and having trouble having it rendered properly on some devices?
Oct 20 03:44:35 <Striker121> So, I've started trying to learn a little about Android programming but I'm having some issues
Oct 20 03:44:47 <Striker121> I'm trying to change the text in a TextView object
Oct 20 03:45:10 <Striker121> From what I've read that means going TextView testText = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.textView1);   then changing testText
Oct 20 03:45:18 <lasserix> Correct
Oct 20 03:45:28 <Striker121> But as far as I can tell you can only create that in the "onCreate" method.
Oct 20 03:45:36 <Striker121> And then it becomes private to that method.
Oct 20 03:45:47 <Striker121> So I can't use it on a button press that calls some other function
Oct 20 03:45:53 <lasserix> Move the scope of the TextView testText outside of the onCreate
Oct 20 03:46:05 <lasserix> just get a handle to it in the onCreate
Oct 20 03:46:32 <Striker121> Ah, put it between the functions in MainActivity?
Oct 20 03:46:38 <lasserix> If that does not make sense you may want to look at some java tutorials
Oct 20 03:46:53 * Striker121 had tried putting it below the import packages originally
Oct 20 03:46:54 <lasserix> usually you put it at the top, under the class declaration
Oct 20 03:46:57 <Striker121> It's been awhile
Oct 20 03:47:39 <Striker121> Ah, right. Variables go there, then normally you'd put things under the class declaring of public void MainActivity (stuff)
Oct 20 03:47:44 <lasserix> public class ActivityEntryPoint extends Activity { set fields here (ie TextView mTestTextView) then methods etc etc }
Oct 20 03:47:52 <lasserix> yeah
Oct 20 03:47:59 <Striker121> Coming back to me now, thanks a bunch
Oct 20 03:48:22 <lasserix> The other thing is that when you inflate a view,
Oct 20 03:48:28 <Striker121> Just gotta get a button and some bluetooth communication up. Hopefully that's fairly easy.
Oct 20 03:48:31 <Striker121> Inflate a view?
Oct 20 03:48:43 <lasserix> you may find you need to use a LayoutInflater to inflate a view later on
Oct 20 03:49:07 <Striker121> What do you mean by "Inflating" a view?
Oct 20 03:49:29 <lasserix> uhh its kinda complicated more than I care to explain if you're not implementing something like that
Oct 20 03:49:41 <Striker121> Haha, okay then.
Oct 20 03:49:47 <lasserix> but what I want to point out is that the method findViewById  works in the activity because you've called setContentView(layout)
Oct 20 03:50:14 <lasserix> and as a result its really layout.findViewById so later on if you do something where you inflate a view, remember to prefix the findViewById with the view name
Oct 20 03:50:23 <lasserix> as in mView.findViewById()
Oct 20 03:50:26 <Striker121> Yep, I had worked that one out, that was why I thought I had to use it under onCreate
Oct 20 03:50:46 <lasserix> usually that's where you get the handles ;p
Oct 20 03:50:50 <Striker121> Actually, should I put a "setContentView" before the testText declaration?
Oct 20 03:50:59 <lasserix> on
Oct 20 03:51:02 <lasserix> *no
Oct 20 03:51:02 <Striker121> It isn't giving me an error at the moment, but it makes sense to me
Oct 20 03:51:18 <lasserix> you have to call setContentView before using findViewById
Oct 20 03:51:35 <lasserix> but the TextView should (in this case) be a class scoped variable
Oct 20 03:57:54 <capella> testing
Oct 20 03:59:03 <Striker121> Lasserix, I try running the code but it crashes on the emulator, no errors given
Oct 20 03:59:12 <Striker121> Anything particularly obvious you could think I might have done?
Oct 20 04:04:35 <lasserix> copy into pastebin
Oct 20 04:05:55 <Striker121> http://pastebin.com/bxjTEXrR
Oct 20 04:06:20 <Striker121> Oh...and one possibly relevant declaration, one second
Oct 20 04:06:51 <Striker121> Ah
Oct 20 04:07:18 <Striker121> Would having something in activity_main that doesn't connect to any declaration (I line of code outside of them) cause a crash?
Oct 20 04:07:25 <Striker121> I can't imagine why it wouldn't give me an error
Oct 20 04:07:57 <lasserix> problem is
Oct 20 04:08:20 <lasserix> you can't use findViewById if there is no layout to find it in, that's what I was trying to explain earlier
Oct 20 04:08:37 * capella wonders if anyone else is frustrated with eclipse IDE ? and what my options are: netbeans?
Oct 20 04:08:38 <lasserix> Ie setContentView must be called first
Oct 20 04:08:44 <lasserix> so
Oct 20 04:08:52 <Striker121> Striker121> Actually, should I put a "setContentView" before the testText declaration?
Oct 20 04:08:53 <Striker121> <lasserix> on
Oct 20 04:08:53 <Striker121> <lasserix> *no
Oct 20 04:09:17 <Striker121> That explains the confusion then :)
Oct 20 04:09:26 <Striker121> Or am I thinking through this wrong still?
Oct 20 04:09:32 <lasserix> http://pastebin.com/pEw3sbBB
Oct 20 04:10:55 <Striker121> Ah, that makes more sense
Oct 20 04:11:00 <lasserix> I gota run an errand but if you're still stuck i should be back later
Oct 20 04:11:02 <lasserix> goodluck
Oct 20 04:11:13 <Striker121> I was wondering how setContentView would work outside of the class functions (It doesn't)
Oct 20 04:11:14 <Striker121> Thanks
Oct 20 04:17:00 <profligacy> capella netbeans lmao
Oct 20 04:18:57 <capella> ?? :) Well Eclipse is bugging me ...
Oct 20 04:20:24 <capella> is netbeans a technically incorrect choice? or more a matter of personal preference?
Oct 20 04:25:44 <tdignan> if you use netbeans you will be a minority so I hope you know what you're doing
Oct 20 04:27:22 <drazak_> I use intellij and it owrks fine
Oct 20 04:27:22 <drazak_> :D
Oct 20 04:29:27 <capella> ah! ive seen that as an option also ... my host OS is WIN but im developing fennec for mozilla, so I have to use an ubuntu VM ... Eclipse in Ubuntu has many annoying habits ... if I try jworks can I run it under WIN
Oct 20 04:29:28 <capella> (i can google this of course)
Oct 20 04:34:42 <ewong> drazak_: is IntelliJ better than Eclipse?  (just trying to find a half decent IDE to do some programming in..)
Oct 20 04:34:49 <drazak_> I like it
Oct 20 04:35:07 <sp_otaku> Am using win7 and appinventor, and have been trying to zipalign my app for the past two hours
Oct 20 04:36:35 <Striker121> I had a bunch of issues with App Inventor
Oct 20 04:36:51 <capella> hey ewong! another mozillian works his way in !
Oct 20 04:36:52 * Striker121 is currently in the process of learning to program Android via Eclipse now
Oct 20 04:37:21 <sp_otaku> am using eclipse for another app
Oct 20 04:37:47 <ewong> capella: :)
Oct 20 04:38:30 * capella thinks any IDE like Eclipse that comes with a CLEAN button knows it's gonna get confused a lot  :P
Oct 20 04:38:44 <capella> but whats the better alternative?
Oct 20 04:40:51 * capella looks into IntelliJ
Oct 20 04:44:02 <ewong> ditto
Oct 20 04:47:42 <ewong> looks interesting
Oct 20 04:48:19 <Looney> hi, what would you guys recommend for xml parsing? DOM or SAX
Oct 20 04:48:29 <capella> downloading... :)
Oct 20 04:49:25 <ewong> ditto as well
Oct 20 04:49:56 <capella> heh - copycat
Oct 20 04:49:58 <ewong> capella which one are you downloading..?  the ultimate one or the community one?
Oct 20 04:50:14 <capella> oh - community didnt see ultimate
Oct 20 04:51:17 <Looney> DOM or SAX in android for xml parsing ? ?
Oct 20 04:51:31 <capella> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html?IU
Oct 20 04:52:00 <capella> DOM B)
Oct 20 04:52:16 * capella but what do I know :P
Oct 20 04:53:46 <Looney> no issues with memory on device with DOM capella  ? ?
Oct 20 04:54:36 <capella> well honestly? Im used to DOM parsing for projects like Firefox ... android is my laest excursion so Im partially biased
Oct 20 04:54:44 <capella> (and perhaps uninformed)
Oct 20 04:55:06 <Looney> no problem
Oct 20 04:55:25 <Looney> found a useful resource while strolling on Interwebz about this
Oct 20 04:55:29 <capella> but thats why i found this room - for a neweer / better perspective :P
Oct 20 04:55:30 <Looney> going with SAX
Oct 20 04:55:45 <Looney> here is the reference http://steveliles.github.com/comparing_java_xml_parsing_mechanisms_for_android.html
Oct 20 04:56:35 <capella> stuff like this is easy to find - http://allu.wordpress.com/2006/12/28/difference-between-sax-and-dom-parsers/
Oct 20 04:56:37 <capella> memory requirements might affect my perspective while doing native android apps
Oct 20 04:56:55 <capella> firefox is grandfathered on me DOM
Oct 20 04:57:23 <Looney> I one tried parsing a 800 MB file with DOM
Oct 20 04:57:31 <Looney> it was a disaster
Oct 20 04:57:41 <capella> heh
Oct 20 04:57:49 <Looney> wrote a tailor made parser in C++ for the task
Oct 20 04:58:05 <Looney> and you can imagine the rest  ;-)
Oct 20 04:58:10 <Looney> smooth as silk
Oct 20 04:58:21 <capella> yah .... um hm
Oct 20 04:59:30 <Looney> because I was expecting that in future I might have to parse much bigger files based on the schema, so tailor made parser was not a bad idea in my opinion
Oct 20 04:59:54 <capella> you wrote a C++ routine to support markup navigation under android ? oh - maybe ubuntu lets you do that
Oct 20 05:00:26 <Looney> no, it was for someother thing
Oct 20 05:00:35 <capella> I thought C++ and JAVA developement for android dont play well together
Oct 20 05:00:39 <capella> oic
Oct 20 05:00:40 <Looney> not even remotely related to adnroid
Oct 20 05:01:01 <Looney> there is NDK when there is a will
Oct 20 05:01:10 <Looney> :-P
Oct 20 05:01:15 <capella> yah - havent gotten there yet personally
Oct 20 05:02:33 <Looney> well, you would definitely get there when you want to
Oct 20 05:03:05 <capella> ok - i get you now... DOM was bad in the past for you, and like me, you're moving into android and thinks SAX is better choice now
Oct 20 05:03:07 <capella> Might be true for both of us
Oct 20 05:03:40 <Looney> yup
Oct 20 05:04:21 <capella> And for C++ for Android ... I considered Source-ery? (I think it was)
Oct 20 05:04:30 <Looney> even on PC with memory greater than what we have on droids, it sucked big time and I ended up writing my own parser
Oct 20 05:05:16 <Looney> but now I have small files to take care of, so it won't hurt if I use best of the DOM, SAX or anyother contender in the field
Oct 20 05:05:55 <capella> I suppose ill stick to DOM until i hit a wall and find out why not :)
Oct 20 05:07:00 <Looney> yeah you can but I have banged my head on the wall once, so not much worthy for me to retry  :-P
Oct 20 05:14:13 <subhojit777> Hi, I am creating an app where user can capture photo from camera and upload on facebook. I was wondering that how to do it properly.. Should I first save the file in /sdcard/tmp and upload the file from there, and then delete the file from tmp? Any better way to implement this?
Oct 20 05:15:50 <SpeedEvil> there is presumably some way of making a temporary file that you want automatically cleaned up.
Oct 20 05:16:01 <SpeedEvil> i've no clue though
Oct 20 05:16:21 <subhojit777> SpeedEvil, ok thanks
Oct 20 05:16:30 <SpeedEvil> you don't want the file to persist if your app gets I terrupted halfway through
Oct 20 05:17:26 <subhojit777> one more thing.. I am sure android tmp directory works the same way as tmp directory in Linux, right?
Oct 20 05:17:45 <subhojit777> that is file gets deleted on reboot
Oct 20 05:23:06 <clever> subhojit777: you may also want to look at the cache dir
Oct 20 05:23:28 <clever> subhojit777: every app gets its own cache dir (somewhere near /data/packagename/cache/) which is chmod protected
Oct 20 05:23:39 <clever> subhojit777: but if the os is low on space, it will dig thru cache dir's and delete things
Oct 20 05:24:16 <clever> those i believe are kept across reboot, so they can be used to save cellular bandwidth
Oct 20 05:24:51 <subhojit777> clever, right..
Oct 20 05:30:05 <capella> ewong - Im liking the windows intelliJ IDE @first glance
Oct 20 05:34:11 <muhoo> how can i get the root view of a dialogfragment, not of the parent activity?
Oct 20 05:34:28 <capella> intelliI install on WIN7 similar to Eclipse install on Ubuntu
Oct 20 05:34:36 <muhoo> it's a dialog. getrootview returns the *activity*'s root view, not the dialog's
Oct 20 05:41:57 <muhoo> auugh. i didn't realize that dialogfragments get spliced into the activity's view heirarchy
Oct 20 05:44:38 <capella> well .. isnt that how it works? hang the dialog off the root kinda thing?
Oct 20 05:45:29 * capella assumes alert boxs and such are similar?
Oct 20 05:45:55 <muhoo> right, i guess it makes sense. wasn't expecting that though; i thought with fragments that they were their own thing.
Oct 20 05:47:20 <capella> no ... not like switching to another app or anything ... ?
Oct 20 05:56:06 <napster> I have overridden the onTouchEvent() method in my activity. But it is not fired when I swipe over a viewFlipper in my activity. It works everywhere else in my activity. What could be wrong? I'm trying to recognize swipe to flip views in the viewFlipper.
Oct 20 05:56:46 <napster> also this view flipper is inside a frameLayout
Oct 20 06:01:28 <sampullman> i don't know much about flippers, but something is consuming the touch event before the activity sees it
Oct 20 06:01:38 <sampullman> probably the viewflipper, if i had to guess
Oct 20 06:03:39 <Looney> is it a good practice to reuse a layout + activity when one can, or its better to have two different activities  ? ?
Oct 20 06:06:05 <lasserix> Looney know fragments?
Oct 20 06:06:41 <Looney> will see into it lasserix
Oct 20 06:06:57 <lasserix> principle of fragments is a unit of reusable ui
Oct 20 06:07:03 <Looney> ahh
Oct 20 06:07:05 <Looney> nice
Oct 20 06:57:22 <clever> having some weird issues with my fragment (first one ive made), it doesnt seem to be visible at all in the ui
Oct 20 06:58:55 <clever> http://privatepaste.com/802f656a06 is the code
Oct 20 07:07:44 <clever> aha!, i want onCreatView not onCreate!
Oct 20 07:13:51 <g00s> this is still open O.o http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=29472
Oct 20 07:14:06 <g00s> no owner :)
Oct 20 07:38:27 <lasserix> Is there a way to set a linemark in ecclipse so I can jump back to a particular line with a click?
Oct 20 07:43:54 <g00s> lasserix: eclipse has bookmarks
Oct 20 07:44:38 <lasserix> too much overhead, was looking for something like setting debug points but thanks
Oct 20 07:46:05 <lasserix> like click next to line number, scroll to somewhere else change something, click thingy next to line number jump back / removes marker
Oct 20 07:47:26 <SimonVT> You can probably set a keyboard shortcut or something
Oct 20 07:47:42 <lasserix> for the bookmarks?
Oct 20 07:49:30 <SimonVT> yes
Oct 20 07:49:32 <lasserix> hmm maybe if i can jump to nearest breakpoint
Oct 20 07:53:23 <lasserix> no jump to bookmark or anything, anyways thanks not a huge deal just little time savers like that add up over a life time you know? ;p
Oct 20 07:58:57 <clever> W/Watchdog(  167): *** WATCHDOG KILLING SYSTEM PROCESS: com.android.server.am.ActivityManagerService
Oct 20 07:59:06 <clever> this vm image is a bit too slow!!
Oct 20 08:04:33 <capella> so is my VMWare's Ubuntu...
Oct 20 08:05:40 <clever> capella: thats less likely to commit suicide when it see's how slow it is!
Oct 20 08:06:51 <capella> still "snapshots" come in handy ... ive fragged the VM by being impatient :(
Oct 20 08:07:36 * capella is basically a WIN guy - but not WIN8 ... that doesnt count
Oct 20 08:08:41 <clever> if your using LVM on the host, you can snapshot the whole os without using a vm
Oct 20 08:08:51 <clever> but root on lvm is a bit more tricky
Oct 20 08:11:30 <clever> E/AndroidRuntime( 1516): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate service com.angeldsis.aewatcher.GCMIntentService: java.lang.IllegalAccessException: access to class not allowed
Oct 20 08:11:40 <clever> hmmmmmm, not sure what the cause is :S
Oct 20 08:29:11 <clever> found it, i had to declare the class as public
Oct 20 08:33:19 <lasserix> I am trying to get the soft keyboard to hide when a user clicks anywhere on the action bar, i'm using ABS. Is there an R.id.<actionbarroot> i can add to my keyboardtogglevisibility observer?
Oct 20 08:36:01 <clever> lasserix: the only thing you will find in R.id is the stuff in R.java, which you can read inside gen/
Oct 20 08:37:41 <lasserix> ahh yeah there are just a lot of them, was hoping someone knew root of ABS actionbar
Oct 20 08:37:43 <lasserix> but thanks
Oct 20 08:39:04 <clever> if its not in R.java, then there must be some other way, that doesnt involve R
Oct 20 08:39:49 <lasserix> ahh I can just probably call the hide method in the option items selected in the activity
Oct 20 08:39:51 <lasserix> thanks
Oct 20 08:41:40 <lasserix> hmm how to get a handle on the overflow button
Oct 20 08:42:31 <clever> my app hasnt even gotten to the soft keyboard yet
Oct 20 08:43:05 <lasserix> simple stuff
Oct 20 08:43:28 <Sculptor> is there a way to prevent notification spam- from apps such as FLCommando
Oct 20 08:43:43 <lasserix> clever: http://pastebin.com/DQmpdvJt
Oct 20 08:44:09 <lasserix> you might want to use this, because getting the keyboard to hide when you click outside of the edit text (anywhere) can be a pain to call the hide method
Oct 20 08:44:17 <lasserix> the argument passed is the view root in your xml
Oct 20 08:44:26 <lasserix> *in the future if you are using edittexts
Oct 20 08:45:09 <lasserix> Sculptor if you go into settings->apps->apps causing you can uncheck show notifications
Oct 20 08:46:57 <Sculptor> thanks. so simple
Oct 20 08:47:30 <ultra-> morning
Oct 20 08:47:37 <ultra-> how could i animate the alpha of a custom view?
Oct 20 08:47:53 <ultra-> i know how to make an animator, i don't know what to use for the property
Oct 20 08:49:21 <ultra-> oh duh, there's an AlphaAnimation object
Oct 20 08:49:27 <lasserix> hehe
Oct 20 08:57:22 <nbros652> Question: when creating an app, is there a way to listen for the "call connected" from the caller's phone once a callee is dialed?
Oct 20 08:59:31 <chronomex> even if there is, it won't work on some networks
Oct 20 08:59:42 <chronomex> e.g., CDMA doesn't give a connect indication to the phone at all
Oct 20 09:01:18 <nbros652> I only need it to work on my network (GSM). You know of any way rooted or not?
Oct 20 09:15:36 <nbros652> I just read something that may sound promising... Is it possible to run a loop once a call is started, pull the last call out of the call history, and check it's length to determine whether or not a current call has been connected?
Oct 20 09:22:10 <[Zondr3]> Anyone here who has developed with NFC tags and Android?
Oct 20 09:47:39 <RobinB> hi
Oct 20 10:14:28 <Looney> hi RobinB
Oct 20 10:15:01 <RobinB> quiet in here this morning!
Oct 20 10:15:05 * RobinB sips a tea
Oct 20 10:15:50 <Looney> well let me shoot you a question then
Oct 20 10:15:52 <Looney> http://pastebin.com/PjGVBztk
Oct 20 10:16:20 <Looney> this snippet is doing not what it is expected to do
Oct 20 10:16:26 <RobinB> what does it do?
Oct 20 10:16:33 <Looney> xmlAnswer is a String
Oct 20 10:16:58 <Looney> read an xml and store it to a String
Oct 20 10:17:27 <RobinB> yes, but what does it do? :)
Oct 20 10:17:42 <Looney> no exception
Oct 20 10:17:48 <Looney> not Log.d response
Oct 20 10:18:01 <RobinB> hmm
Oct 20 10:21:15 <alankila> I hate that everyone uses this bufferedreader/readline loop to slurp entire response
Oct 20 10:21:48 <Looney> ok, so what do you propose
Oct 20 10:22:05 <alankila> and if the response is indeed xml document, then for the love of god, pass the inputstream as is to the documentbuilder's parse
Oct 20 10:22:23 <alankila> when you convert it to string first you can mess up xml encoding in the process
Oct 20 10:22:40 <Looney> documentbuilder
Oct 20 10:22:48 <Looney> do I smell DOM  ? ?
Oct 20 10:22:52 <alankila> or was it documentbuilder.newDocument().parse()
Oct 20 10:23:10 <alankila> indeed. hate it if you want, but at least it is there and does the job correctly.
Oct 20 10:23:55 <Looney> :'(
Oct 20 10:24:23 <capella> So if I'm building for my Galaxy S3 device (android version 4.0.4) I set intelliJ to use SDK for Android 4.0.3 (API 15) instead of SDK for Android 4.1.2 (API 16) right?
Oct 20 10:25:16 <alankila> capella: sort of irrelevant. minSdk is the key that determines compatibility. Your targetsdk can be sort of whatever as long as you promise to not use features that weren't present at minsdk level
Oct 20 10:26:06 <alankila> the interpretation for targetsdk is that it is what you tested the application to work correctly with. It also exposes you the new methods, and makes you deal with new deprecations in some way, of course.
Oct 20 10:26:35 <capella> hmmm  i build using api 16 but got error Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK] while trying to adb install / run
Oct 20 10:26:53 <alankila> maybe you did not do the minsdk thing then.
Oct 20 10:27:10 <capella> (first time trying with intelliJ / when I used Eclipse the code worked ok)
Oct 20 10:27:35 * alankila shrugs. It's not been a problem to me, but I only use eclipse.
Oct 20 10:29:27 <capella> could be a situation where intelliJ fails to import something from my eclipse project
Oct 20 10:29:42 * capella shrugs too ... continues hacking @ it
Oct 20 10:33:35 <g00s> man, these fuckers at morgan kaufman want to charge $90 for a drm'd ebook
Oct 20 10:49:12 <tinti> Good material http://com.odroid.com/sigong/nf_file_board/nfile_board_view.php?bid=98
Oct 20 10:49:52 <Sepho> Hi guys
Oct 20 10:51:37 <Sepho> If I want to design a background image for my app, and for all 4 device sizes (normal, large, extra large...) I guess that I must to design it in 4 different sizes in photoshop, but... what sizes for each sreen size? I mean, what is the width x height size for normal, and for large, etc..
Oct 20 11:02:56 <rprime> Hey! I've been trying to play some videos through the VideoView widget, but everything I try and no mater what video file (mp4,3gp) it says "Cannot play video". Any tips?
Oct 20 11:03:42 <p_l> Sepho: hmm... consider making the image as 9patch, and create renders in few different DPI
Oct 20 11:23:59 <jay_gridley> hello guys, I have master fragment (ListFragment) with list of events and after click on item in list I open detail fragment (using replace(...) method of EventTransaction), but after click on back button in detail fragment, application gets closed instead of returning to master fragment (I do call addToBackStack(null) for that transaction), any ideas?
Oct 20 11:33:31 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: what do you mean by clicking the back button in the fragment?
Oct 20 11:33:52 <jay_gridley> click on hardware back button
Oct 20 11:33:56 <MDijkstra> ah
Oct 20 11:34:21 <jay_gridley> maybe I should implement UP navigation in this case, right?
Oct 20 11:34:30 <MDijkstra> well, what do you want to accomplish?
Oct 20 11:34:43 <MDijkstra> do you want it to go back to the empty detail fragment?
Oct 20 11:35:05 <jay_gridley> no, want it to go back to master fragment with list of all events
Oct 20 11:35:35 <MDijkstra> I'm assuming you have a two-column layout
Oct 20 11:36:17 <MDijkstra> but you have one big container?
Oct 20 11:36:59 <jay_gridley> yes, one container, both fragments inside of it (developing for phone this time)
Oct 20 11:37:20 <MDijkstra> I think it's customary to have one activity per fragment in the phone case
Oct 20 11:37:31 <MDijkstra> instead of one container activity for all fragments
Oct 20 11:37:46 <MDijkstra> at least, the fragment example on developer.android.com does this
Oct 20 11:38:06 <lasserix> no that defeats the whole point
Oct 20 11:38:13 <lasserix> they do that because its a introductory tutorial
Oct 20 11:38:36 <MDijkstra> lasserix: why does it defeat the point?
Oct 20 11:38:37 <jay_gridley> I think is should use fragments instead of activities for master-detail scheme
Oct 20 11:38:47 <lasserix> a fragment is a logical unit of reusable ui
Oct 20 11:39:04 <MDijkstra> lasserix: yes, and it can still be even if you use one activity/fragment in the phone case
Oct 20 11:39:17 <lasserix> the whole point is to be able what used to take seperate activities to do in one
Oct 20 11:39:42 <lasserix> as long as you manage your fragment stack it is far more convient to use the activity as a host to fragments
Oct 20 11:39:56 <lasserix> instead of creating excess activities per fragment
Oct 20 11:40:16 <MDijkstra> lasserix: if you design your fragments properly (as they indicate in that example) then it won't matter if you have 1 activity per fragment or 1 activity holding all fragments
Oct 20 11:40:17 <jay_gridley> have the same opinion as lasserix
Oct 20 11:40:19 <lasserix> at least in the principle of reuse, why create unnecessary activities when you don't need them?
Oct 20 11:40:20 <MDijkstra> or 2, or 8, or whatever
Oct 20 11:41:02 <lasserix> right but again why create unnecessary activities if you can handle your fragments in one activity?
Oct 20 11:41:12 <MDijkstra> lasserix: because activities provide benefits? such as multiple entry points in your app
Oct 20 11:41:46 <lasserix> that doesn't translate into one activity per fragment though?
Oct 20 11:42:30 <MDijkstra> lasserix: it doesn't have to, no, but the amount of extra work is small and it forces you to design your fragments properly
Oct 20 11:42:54 <lasserix> i guess so, sorry I just thought the whole point of fragments was less overhead
Oct 20 11:43:02 <jay_gridley> guys, can we go back to my problem? :-) I need a way how to navigate back to master fragment from detail fragment using hardware back button
Oct 20 11:43:19 <lasserix> I mean I use a home->browse->browse detail->content list/page and on my old froyo phone no problems with all of them in one activity
Oct 20 11:43:24 <lasserix> jay: sorry,
Oct 20 11:43:49 <lasserix> you can ovveride on the back button and then do a total fragment stack pop
Oct 20 11:44:17 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: this should just work though, the way you describe it
Oct 20 11:44:37 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: if you have 1 fragment container, replace a fragment and add it to the stack
Oct 20 11:44:38 <jay_gridley> I think it should be default Android behavior, that back button press returns to master fragment, am I wight?
Oct 20 11:44:52 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: could you pastebin your fragment transaction code?
Oct 20 11:45:04 <jay_gridley> yy, wait a sec
Oct 20 11:45:04 <monsti> is there a way to compile an android library projekt to a binary output?
Oct 20 11:45:06 <lasserix> jay: if you use the fragment back stack then it acts as a stack, first in first out
Oct 20 11:45:12 <lasserix> *first in last out i mean
Oct 20 11:45:42 <lasserix> so if by master fragment you mean the fragment at the bottom of the stack, you have to pop each fragment off until you get to it
Oct 20 11:46:10 <lasserix> however if you have 3 > fragments on the stack, the user will probably be more familiar with going fragment at a time, like clicking back and forward on a web browser
Oct 20 11:46:23 <jay_gridley> http://pastebin.com/DBT4zEfm
Oct 20 11:46:25 <lasserix> ie: hitting back on your web broswer only goes to your homepage if your homepage was the last website
Oct 20 11:46:37 <jay_gridley> the way how I create detail fragment
Oct 20 11:48:27 <lasserix> this code is in your list fragment right?
Oct 20 11:48:34 <jay_gridley> yes
Oct 20 11:48:35 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: that looks right
Oct 20 11:48:51 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: could you try adding the 'initital' fragment to the back stack as well?
Oct 20 11:48:58 <MDijkstra> ie, the fragment you want to return to
Oct 20 11:49:18 <jay_gridley> I am putting it on stack too
Oct 20 11:49:55 <lasserix> What's the code for adding the list fragment?
Oct 20 11:50:25 <jay_gridley> inside of MainActivity I create master fragment (putting it on stack during transaction), and inside of master fragment I create detail fragment (also putting it on stack - as you can see on pastebin code)
Oct 20 11:50:41 <jay_gridley> FragmentManager fragmentManager = getFragmentManager();
Oct 20 11:50:41 <jay_gridley>                   FragmentTransaction fragmentTransaction = fragmentManager.beginTransaction();
Oct 20 11:50:41 <jay_gridley>                   fragmentTransaction.replace(R.id.fragment_container, new EventListFragment());
Oct 20 11:50:41 <jay_gridley>                   fragmentTransaction.addToBackStack(null);
Oct 20 11:50:41 <jay_gridley>                   fragmentTransaction.commit();
Oct 20 11:51:15 <lasserix> in your main activity if you have to call getSupperFragmentManager()
Oct 20 11:51:21 <jay_gridley> http://pastebin.com/4piaWUYn
Oct 20 11:51:24 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: that also looks right
Oct 20 11:51:25 <lasserix> *getSupportFragmentManager
Oct 20 11:51:38 <MDijkstra> lasserix: no, it depends whether you use the support library or not
Oct 20 11:51:46 <lasserix> Are you sure?
Oct 20 11:51:47 <MDijkstra> if you're targeting 3.0+ this is fine
Oct 20 11:51:48 <jay_gridley> I do not
Oct 20 11:52:26 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: but hmm, this should just work
Oct 20 11:52:48 <MDijkstra> I've implemented the exact same thing a number of times and it works the way it's supposed to
Oct 20 11:52:49 <jay_gridley> I know, but it does not, for some uknown reason
Oct 20 11:53:17 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: are you calling finish() on the activity by accident anywhere?
Oct 20 11:53:42 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: also, this has nothing to do with your bug, but you should not push a new fragment from the current fragment
Oct 20 11:53:55 <MDijkstra> since it couples your fragments to one specific layout
Oct 20 11:54:27 <MDijkstra> ie, if you want to show the fragments side-by-side now, then you'll need to add that to the code of masterlayout
Oct 20 11:54:32 <MDijkstra> *masterfragment
Oct 20 11:55:01 <MDijkstra> you should instead have a callback interface implemented by the activity that contains the fragment
Oct 20 11:56:00 <jay_gridley> so detail fragment should be created and replaced by MainActivity instead of master fragment>
Oct 20 11:56:11 <jay_gridley> ?
Oct 20 11:56:16 <MDijkstra> yes
Oct 20 11:56:30 <jay_gridley> ok, will do that
Oct 20 11:59:21 <MDijkstra> jay_gridley: but as far as your bug is concerned, don't really know as this should work based on the code you've shown
Oct 20 12:00:42 <jay_gridley> I have the same problem with PreferenceFragment, back button in PreferenceFragment closes app instead of return to MainActivity
Oct 20 12:01:27 <MDijkstra> to MainFragment, right?
Oct 20 12:01:35 <MDijkstra> not MainActivity
Oct 20 12:03:08 <jay_gridley> no no, MainActivity (extends FragmentActivity), I have MainActivity that creates ListFragment or PreferenceFragment
Oct 20 12:03:21 <jay_gridley> ListFragment is thaht master fragment with list of events
Oct 20 12:03:46 <MDijkstra> yeah, but considering MainActivity contains the fragment stack
Oct 20 12:04:02 <MDijkstra> you can't really return from a fragment to an activity
Oct 20 12:04:06 <MDijkstra> that makes no sense
Oct 20 12:04:40 <jay_gridley> I see, I put it wrong way, PreferenceFragment should return to ListFragment
Oct 20 12:05:09 <jay_gridley> which was in MainActivity before and then replaced by PreferenceFragment
Oct 20 12:06:16 <Ankhwatcher> My application allows users to save little notes which get put into an SQLite table, how do i stop special characters from crashing my application?
Oct 20 12:08:16 <marius> hi, I have android-15 emulator, but it's very slow even on i5 cpu
Oct 20 12:08:47 <marius> I have tried -gpu on, but it doesn't work
Oct 20 12:11:41 <lasserix> ankhwatcher you can use unicode on your sqlite table
Oct 20 12:12:03 <lasserix> you have to set it, and it doesn't catch all characters because the entire unicode is not used ..
Oct 20 12:24:52 <jay_gridley> MDijkstra: I have fixed my problem by overriding onBackPressed method to pop fragment from stack
Oct 20 12:25:09 <jay_gridley> but Android should do the same on its own
Oct 20 12:31:36 <lasserix> jay: it does
Oct 20 12:31:59 <lasserix> something's funky with your code :/
Oct 20 12:32:04 <jay_gridley> :-D
Oct 20 12:32:08 <jay_gridley> possibly
Oct 20 12:32:45 <lasserix> I'm thinking there is something going on because you don't load new fragments in your main activity
Oct 20 12:33:07 <lasserix> ie use an interface to call back to your main activity and load the requested fragment
Oct 20 12:34:43 <DeviantPeer> hi all: quick question: starting a animation within onBackPressed () doesn't work althou it works if the animation starts in the onClick () os a view OnClickListener. Any ideas why?
Oct 20 12:35:05 <jay_gridley> lasserix: ok, will look into it
Oct 20 12:35:09 <lasserix> jay: here try this: do NOT add the first fragment to the backstack
Oct 20 12:35:17 <lasserix> don't add your master fragment to the backstack
Oct 20 12:35:23 <lasserix> i don't in mine and it works fine
Oct 20 12:35:39 <capella> alankila: Still here? Fyi - I got the linux/eclipse developed app to build and run under WIN/intelliJ by hand porting the source vs. using the auto-import feature
Oct 20 12:35:45 <lasserix> since it loads upon the activity loading you don't need it on the backstack, you only want new fragments replacing it to be on the stack
Oct 20 12:35:53 <lasserix> so comment out that line and see if it works,
Oct 20 12:36:00 * capella thinks intelliJ is better than eclipse already :P
Oct 20 12:36:06 <alankila> capella: hm.
Oct 20 12:38:15 <mr_lou> Off-topic, but...  Anyone here using stackoverflow?  Can someone tell me how to add comments to a post instead of an answer?  :-/
Oct 20 12:38:51 <capella> I like it - have posted replies
Oct 20 12:41:12 <tdignan> mr_lou: there is an "add comment" link, but it requires at least 50 rep
Oct 20 12:41:23 <tdignan> http://stackoverflow.com/faq#reputation
Oct 20 12:41:24 <mr_lou> Ah, so that's why I can't comment yet.
Oct 20 12:41:30 * mr_lou just signed up yesterday.
Oct 20 12:41:48 <mr_lou> Thanks tdignan
Oct 20 12:42:18 <mr_lou> Well I have 46 now, so...  soooooon.   :->
Oct 20 12:44:58 <capella> oh cool - just got that too - i have one reply / reputation .... gotta work on that
Oct 20 13:03:05 <davieslacker> this might sound a bit newb, but the underlying cli interface and sh are always present in android right?  I mean even without a terminal emulator ?
Oct 20 13:06:41 <davieslacker> actually, I think the question more what I'm interested in... how do I run cli commands from an app I created.. anybody know of any handy source code I can look at that they may have found helpful at some point ?
Oct 20 13:08:49 <StrangeBrew> I want a gridview that displays images/videos chosen from the device galleries.My plan is to store the chosen images uri's in a db and than use a CursorAdapter to retrieve and display each of them. How can i deal with files that were removed from the device? is it possible to change the row count during getview()s?
Oct 20 13:10:42 <AlCapwn> davieslacker: I think the Process lets you execute commands
Oct 20 13:10:56 <AlCapwn> Process class *
Oct 20 13:11:50 <AlCapwn> davieslacker: have a look at the CatLog source code, it calls into logcat and displays the output in an activity
Oct 20 13:12:33 <davieslacker> ah.. is that part of the sdk samples ?
Oct 20 13:14:13 <davieslacker> I'm pretty new to this, so I'm kind of hoping for a project that'll just load up in eclipse for me to browse
Oct 20 13:16:06 <mrenouf> davieslacker: just choose new Project from samples
Oct 20 13:16:56 <mrenouf> davieslacker, n/m that feature dissapeared :-(
Oct 20 13:17:12 <davieslacker> what's the difference between android 4.1 and google api's ?  cause they both say 4.1 beside them ?
Oct 20 13:17:31 <mrenouf> import something from ANDROID_SDK/samples
Oct 20 13:18:14 <mrenouf> very little, GoogleAPIs provides things like support for athenticating google accounts
Oct 20 13:18:20 <mrenouf> other misc stuff
Oct 20 13:18:27 <davieslacker> ah,  cool
Oct 20 13:19:12 <p_l> maps as well, iirc
Oct 20 13:20:57 <mrenouf> yeah
Oct 20 13:21:13 <balls2thewall> anyone here have experience with gles? i want to pass input to my gl thread and ive ended up creating my own input queues, which seems too much work for something this simple, is this really the proper way to pass input to a game?
Oct 20 13:22:58 <Belacan> hi all
Oct 20 13:24:36 <MDijkstra> balls2thewall: GLES isn't really simple
Oct 20 13:24:55 <MDijkstra> balls2thewall: in general you'd also have your game logic and rendering on separate threads
Oct 20 13:24:56 <balls2thewall> not gles, but passing input to the gl thread
Oct 20 13:25:32 <balls2thewall> currently i have input functions in the activity adding any event to sort of a master queue and the gl thread reading the queue each frame
Oct 20 13:25:51 <MDijkstra> balls2thewall: I'm guessing you could just post to the looper for the GL thread
Oct 20 13:25:56 <MDijkstra> if you receive input
Oct 20 13:26:35 <MDijkstra> but in general once your GL project grows to non-trivial size
Oct 20 13:26:40 <MDijkstra> you want multiple threads anyway
Oct 20 13:26:54 <MDijkstra> and you can't really avoid synchronization
Oct 20 13:27:49 <Belacan> hi, who wants to have a discussion about the GPS?
Oct 20 13:34:22 <Belacan> is the GPS speed reading quite accurate?
Oct 20 13:34:46 <Belacan> and also, if so, is the accuracy quantified anywhere?
Oct 20 13:48:11 <mrenouf> The answer is the classic "it depends"
Oct 20 13:48:14 <lasserix> oh hey belacan
Oct 20 13:48:17 <mrenouf> Largely on the chipset
Oct 20 13:48:28 <Belacan> hey hey lasserix
Oct 20 13:48:39 <Belacan> hows it goin
Oct 20 13:48:57 <mrenouf> I wouldn't use it for scientific measurements or surveying :-)
Oct 20 13:49:00 <lasserix> i've learned the progress of development is much like a game of shoots and latters, good otherwise ;p
Oct 20 13:50:21 <Belacan> lasserix: haha how so?
Oct 20 13:51:04 <lasserix> well everyday rolling the dice make some progress, sometimes you have a good day and climb right up the board on a latter, other days a trivial bug sends you nearly back to the first tile
Oct 20 13:51:27 <lasserix> exagerating a little
Oct 20 13:54:38 <Kottizen> Hi everyone. I have an app in which I'd like to let the user to be able to take a picture and then either press Upload or Cancel when the picture has been taken. How would I design it so that the two buttons always are at the bottom, taking up 50% of the width, and that the picture is scaled (with its proportions kept) above the buttons? I'd like to have it like this: http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/picture/uuz685.png
Oct 20 13:55:10 <mrenouf> More accurate: sometimes you realize the whole way you were going about things was crap, but then you start fresh and realize some insight and things end up 1000% better and you make a huge leap forward.
Oct 20 13:55:20 <mrenouf> my experience anyhow
Oct 20 13:55:26 <mrenouf> not all setbacks are bad
Oct 20 13:56:32 <mrenouf> Kottizen, this is pretty trivial layout. A single RelativeLayout would do this
Oct 20 13:56:51 <mrenouf> scaling mode is achieved by configuring ImageView
Oct 20 13:58:59 <lasserix> mrenouf totally agree, that's the whole dynamism of chutes and latters ;p
Oct 20 13:59:10 <davieslacker> if it says in in eclipse after loading a source sample,  Unable to resolve target 'android-7'  is it speaking of Android 2.1 (API7) ?
Oct 20 13:59:24 <mrenouf> davieslacker, yes
Oct 20 13:59:35 <davieslacker> thanks
Oct 20 13:59:42 <mrenouf> it means the project is set to target API7 but you dont have that SDK installed
Oct 20 14:00:14 <davieslacker> installing it now,  just figured it would have the android version or say api in the error... that's the only thing that threw me
Oct 20 14:00:18 <alankila> ADT: always talking in confusing terms. :-/
Oct 20 14:00:34 <alankila> and I hate the fact you got to map between these numbers and api level integers, too, while at it. :-p
Oct 20 14:00:40 <mrenouf> you shouldn't really target API7, unless you know what you're doing
Oct 20 14:01:04 <mrenouf> alankila, just think in terms of API level. its all that matters. not 4.1, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, etc
Oct 20 14:01:20 <davieslacker> I am actually a good googler... I just like to get it from the mouth (fingers) of the people on irc sometimes... if I'm a bother at any point,  just tell me to stfu.. lol
Oct 20 14:01:43 <davieslacker> mrenouf: I'm really just wanting to look at this source,  I doubt I'll be targeting it much
Oct 20 14:02:03 <alankila> I just wish there wasn't 3 names for everything. ICS, 4.0, API14 ... or something
Oct 20 14:02:12 <davieslacker> its basically the source to a simple kind of console execution program
Oct 20 14:02:33 <alankila> of these I'd most rather drop 4.0 and rather talk about ICS revision 1, 2, 3, 4 ...
Oct 20 14:02:33 <davieslacker> yeah,  great for newbs like me.. just throw me off a bit more..
Oct 20 14:02:44 <davieslacker> but its like that with everything I suppose
Oct 20 14:03:04 <davieslacker> I mean even MS,  Linux,  Mac,  they all have internal names for their stuff
Oct 20 14:03:10 <alankila> a few years from now we'll be hard pressed to remember if eclair or froyo was first though
Oct 20 14:03:11 <Belacan> Kottizen:
Oct 20 14:03:17 <Belacan> did you get an answer?
Oct 20 14:03:41 <alankila> (unless we know the alphabetic ordering, of course)
Oct 20 14:03:48 <lasserix> ;p
Oct 20 14:04:27 <Kottizen> Belacan: Oh, yes, mrenouf recommended RelativeLayout, so I'm looking into that
Oct 20 14:05:08 <Belacan> you should also be able to do it with linear layouts
Oct 20 14:05:25 <Kottizen> I'm using a linear layout right now
Oct 20 14:05:41 <Kottizen> But I can't really figure out how to make it look the way I want - let me give you a screenshot + code
Oct 20 14:07:54 <Kottizen> Belacan: http://pastebin.com/3jTS0Cxp and http://katja.kottnet.net/phone/2012-10-20_16-06-05.png
Oct 20 14:08:14 <mrenouf> Kottizen, make a gist of the layout xml and I'll suggest an edit
Oct 20 14:08:44 <Kottizen> mrenouf: Please see http://pastebin.com/3jTS0Cxp and http://katja.kottnet.net/phone/2012-10-20_16-06-05.png
Oct 20 14:10:05 <Belacan> Kottizen: try adding a weight to the image
Oct 20 14:10:17 <Belacan> not sure how to scale it
Oct 20 14:10:25 <Belacan> but that should push the buttons down
Oct 20 14:11:56 <Kottizen> Belacan: That worked, thank you! :) ( http://katja.kottnet.net/phone/2012-10-20_16-11-22.png )
Oct 20 14:12:15 <Belacan> Boom
Oct 20 14:12:16 <lasserix> Kottizon the aspect ratio kinda looks off
Oct 20 14:12:37 <lasserix> there are some attributes to specify in the ImageView to preserve the aspect I believe
Oct 20 14:12:45 <Belacan> i think its just a weird image size lasserix
Oct 20 14:13:00 <lasserix> i guess..
Oct 20 14:13:08 <Kottizen> It's my phone, it produces images of those dimensions
Oct 20 14:13:12 <Belacan> weird
Oct 20 14:13:19 <Belacan> what is it? a windows phone?
Oct 20 14:13:22 <Kottizen> HTC One X
Oct 20 14:16:18 <mrenouf> Kottizen, http://pastebin.com/zkfu18xN
Oct 20 14:16:53 <lasserix> mrenouf is that how you typically ident?
Oct 20 14:16:56 <lasserix> *indent
Oct 20 14:16:59 <mrenouf> attach the buttons to the bottom, the attach the image to the top, left, right and above buttons
Oct 20 14:17:08 <mrenouf> lasserix, stock formatter, yeah
Oct 20 14:17:14 <lasserix> oh
Oct 20 14:17:15 <mrenouf> usually 2 space
Oct 20 14:17:22 <mrenouf> just used a scratch project
Oct 20 14:17:42 <lasserix> looks cleaner than tabs hmm
Oct 20 14:17:42 <mrenouf> not really important ;-)
Oct 20 14:17:50 <mrenouf> tabs... blech!
Oct 20 14:17:55 <mrenouf> lets not go there
Oct 20 14:18:48 <mrenouf> I would recommend not making the buttons fill the width though
Oct 20 14:18:53 <lasserix> you say that but I think it's actually the difference between a post office worker trying to make out an address reading illegible, to partially illegable, to readable, to so clearr legible you actualllly travel to the future slightly
Oct 20 14:18:55 <mrenouf> on larger screens they will be comically wide
Oct 20 14:19:10 <mrenouf> lasserix, lol
Oct 20 14:19:12 <lasserix> *clearly
Oct 20 14:19:19 <mrenouf> Ctrl-Alt-F man...
Oct 20 14:19:25 <lasserix> ?
Oct 20 14:19:41 <mrenouf> er, Ctrl-Shift-F ?
Oct 20 14:19:43 <mrenouf> yeah
Oct 20 14:19:52 <mrenouf> Eclipse, IDEA whatever you use. just autoformat
Oct 20 14:19:59 <lasserix> oh shit
Oct 20 14:20:17 <mrenouf> you can even set it to reformat on save
Oct 20 14:20:35 <mrenouf> then make sure everyone on your team uses identical settings.
Oct 20 14:20:49 <lasserix> interesting
Oct 20 14:21:19 <mrenouf> Our place is fanatical about enforcing a string style and formatting rules
Oct 20 14:21:23 <mrenouf> consistency is king
Oct 20 14:21:45 <lasserix> oh yeah
Oct 20 14:21:57 <lasserix> can't really make a masterpiece on a dirty canvas
Oct 20 14:22:22 <Kottizen> mrenouf: Good point... I'll fix that
Oct 20 14:22:33 <lasserix> unless you are going for postmodern or obsfucation ;p
Oct 20 14:23:31 <lasserix> Anyone know how to swap two fragments on the stack without invoking the fragment underneath?
Oct 20 14:24:07 <lasserix> maybe if i just use an empty temp stack holder fragment
Oct 20 14:58:29 <BulleTime> hi
Oct 20 14:59:15 <BulleTime> anyone knows what is wrong with my app:
Oct 20 14:59:24 <BulleTime> this is the log:
Oct 20 14:59:26 <BulleTime> http://pastebin.com/FL4xXsv8
Oct 20 14:59:29 <BulleTime> (not much)
Oct 20 15:01:08 <BulleTime> is it because of " Unable to instantiate activity " ?
Oct 20 15:11:09 <dioHere> hello. does anybody know how can I make the spinner to look exactly the same in any device I am using my app to? The style looks completely different, and also on devices with 2.2 and 2.3, when user opens the spinner, the width goes through all screen's width, but that does not happen in devices with 3 and 4 system. I have already put in xml the attributes android:dropDownWidth="wrap_content" and android:spinnerMode="dropdown" b
Oct 20 15:13:08 <monsti> dioHere: you have to style the spinner
Oct 20 15:13:35 <monsti> dioHere: there are about 4-8 png files you have get/change/create by yourself
Oct 20 15:13:45 <dioHere> monsti: I did exactly what the guy said in this page. http://www.mokasocial.com/2011/03/easily-create-a-default-custom-styled-spinner-android/
Oct 20 15:13:57 <monsti> so?
Oct 20 15:14:01 <dioHere> no luck
Oct 20 15:14:04 <dioHere> nothing changed
Oct 20 15:14:17 <monsti> the guy maybe setup some global theme
Oct 20 15:14:58 <userx> BulleTime: your startup activity cannot be found by /is not visible to the Android runtime
Oct 20 15:15:43 <dioHere> monsti: What I did is I copied the .9.png images (for states normal, selected, pressed) and pasted them in all drawable folders. and then continued with his tutorial
Oct 20 15:16:13 <monsti> dioHere: did you copy the xml files?
Oct 20 15:16:32 <monsti> did you setup the stype in 1) a theme or 2) at the spinner you want to theme?
Oct 20 15:16:49 <monsti> s/stype/style
Oct 20 15:18:05 <dioHere> the res/drawable/btn_dropdown.xml is exactly the same as his.
Oct 20 15:18:11 <dioHere> Oh I just noticed something
Oct 20 15:19:00 <dioHere> I have initialized the theme not inside /res/values/themes.xml but inside  /res/values/styles.xml
Oct 20 15:19:28 <dioHere> does that matter in any way? In manifest there is a reference for the styles.xml
Oct 20 15:20:25 <agargiulo> does anyone know a way to bind with LDAP from an android app?
Oct 20 15:21:15 <monsti> dioHere: you have to read more about styles/themes
Oct 20 15:22:39 <dioHere> monsti I did this because I thought it was a style and not a theme. besides inside values folder there is no themes.xml. I am supposed to create it by my own?
Oct 20 15:22:53 <agargiulo> dioHere: most likely
Oct 20 15:22:54 <SimonVT> Name of xml files in values/ doesn't matter
Oct 20 15:22:59 <monsti> dioHere: it depends
Oct 20 15:23:18 <monsti> dioHere: 1) do you want an activity where all your spinners have the same style? if yes - create a theme
Oct 20 15:23:39 <monsti> dioHere: 2) do you want ONE spinner different - all other default - create a style
Oct 20 15:26:38 <dioHere> monsti thank you. I was kind of aware about that. But I am kind of confused. Inside manifest there is this line android:theme="@style/AppTheme". As I said I created the "theme" (because I want it to be a theme) inside the styles.xml. But manifest says that it is a theme. Sorry for the confusion
Oct 20 15:27:18 <monsti> dioHere: yeah that's a bad name :)
Oct 20 15:28:03 <dragorn> stupid ui question:  the ICS fragment-y menu that comes down in, say, maps when you click on the upper left actionbar item that shows maps, local, nav, etc... wtf is that called?  It's not quite a context menu.
Oct 20 15:28:48 <dioHere> so monsti will I have to create a themes,xml file, then continue with the tutorial for the code. But then how can I reference this in manifest?
Oct 20 15:29:46 <agargiulo> @theme/AppTheme ?
Oct 20 15:30:14 <monsti> dioHere: do this for the activity in the manifest
Oct 20 15:30:16 <monsti> then try
Oct 20 15:30:56 <dioHere> agargiulo and the theme will apply automatically in the spinners right? Because when I am setting the spinner I am not setting any attribute for a theme
Oct 20 15:31:11 <Sepho> hi guys
Oct 20 15:33:03 <dragorn> looks like what I'm looking for may be actionprovider
Oct 20 15:33:46 <dragorn> or popupmenu.  anyhow.
Oct 20 15:33:47 <dioHere> monsti is it correct to say android:theme="@theme/spinnerTheme" under the line android:theme="@style/AppTheme"  in the manifest?
Oct 20 15:38:53 <dioHere> There is no such thing as @theme. I think the code was correct from the beginning
Oct 20 15:38:59 <dioHere> but still not working
Oct 20 15:49:02 <agargiulo> dioHere: I don't know, I was making an educated guess
Oct 20 15:49:50 <dioHere> agargiulo unfortunate;y there is no such thing as @theme. there is only @style in the manifest
Oct 20 15:50:22 <agargiulo> then I don't know
Oct 20 15:50:45 <agargiulo> I'm still a n00b with android dev
Oct 20 15:53:08 <agargiulo> so, has anyone done anything with java/android and LDAP?
Oct 20 16:18:01 <lasserix> Hello, anyone know of a good way to swap two fragments on the backstack without invoking the fragment underneath?
Oct 20 16:30:53 <Sculptor> why is eclipse so broken
Oct 20 16:31:01 <HacDan> because it's written in java.
Oct 20 16:31:07 <Sculptor> i know :/
Oct 20 16:31:16 <Kamaze> Somewhat offtopic: I'm preparing my Nexus 7 for selling and care about good wiping. I did a factory reset and currently fill the whole storage with random data until it's full and will do a fectory reset then again. Should be secure enough, or?
Oct 20 16:33:25 <HacDan> Kamaze: should have set up encyrption then wiped it
Oct 20 16:33:28 <HacDan> then you wouldn't have to fill it
Oct 20 16:33:34 <HacDan> even after a factory reset
Oct 20 16:33:43 <HacDan> but honestly, a wipe would have been sufficient
Oct 20 16:33:57 <Kamaze> yeah, thought about that too, but I'd read something about people beeing stuck within encryption mode and beeing unable to remove encryption
Oct 20 16:34:04 <HacDan> and, there is a #nexus7 channel you can ask in
Oct 20 16:34:28 <HacDan> but yes, what you're doing will be more than secure enough
Oct 20 16:34:31 <HacDan> I'd call it overkill
Oct 20 16:36:21 <delac> so, I was told by Sasmung support that the USSD factory wipe bug doesn't affect Galaxy Gio. So I tested it. At inital page load, the dialer comes up with the code, but the code doesn't run. BUT, after closing the dialer and refreshing the page, the code is run without prompt.
Oct 20 16:36:53 <delac> Just out of curiosity, does that work on devices that Samsung claims it has fixed?
Oct 20 16:38:36 <delac> protip: use slightly more harmless code like *#350# that just reboots the machine rather than does the factory wipe. (note: the above does also factory wipe!)
Oct 20 16:44:18 <Kamaze> btw delac, we did a little experiment at our company
Oct 20 16:45:11 <Kamaze> an employee made a webpage calling some harmles ussd code, and encoded the url as QR-Code and printed several copies of this QR code without further description
Oct 20 16:46:07 <Kamaze> then he just put this QR code on some tables and counted how many people accessed the webpage
Oct 20 16:46:12 <Kamaze> over 200 requests
Oct 20 16:46:26 <delac> Kamaze: ha :)
Oct 20 16:47:02 <delac> that's lot's of factory wiped phones :)
Oct 20 16:47:06 <Kamaze> resulted in a nice discussion on or mailinglist
Oct 20 16:47:11 <Kamaze> *our
Oct 20 16:47:49 <Kamaze> which can be summarized as: "u mad?"
Oct 20 16:51:42 <delac> but I still would like to know if the refreshing the page runs the code even on "fixed" phones. I'm goign to contact Sasmung on monday and yell them about the bug. They did claim that the bug does not affect Gio, but when I tested it, I got my phone wiped
Oct 20 17:01:14 <lasserix> what is a bread crumb title in the fragment back stack?
Oct 20 17:08:46 <SimonVT> These > Are > Breadcrumb > Titles > Each > Representing > A > Fragment
Oct 20 17:09:05 <SimonVT> Visual indicator of the backstack
Oct 20 17:11:20 <lasserix> I am probably not understanding well enough, but is there a way to set them or how are they used?
Oct 20 17:13:10 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/FragmentBreadCrumbs.html
Oct 20 17:13:27 <SimonVT> You set them on the transaction
Oct 20 17:14:18 <lasserix> I'm having a serious dilemma with swapping two fragments. So Fragment Browse launches one of two Content Fragments (data as pager or in a list) and both have an action bar action to swap with the other content fragment. Since I have to pop off the current fragment, the browse fragment is "invoked" (it can be momentarily seen and its corresponding callbacks are fired) which screws up some
Oct 20 17:14:18 <lasserix> my code.
Oct 20 17:15:54 <lasserix> *I pop off the current fragment so that when the user presses back it goes to Browse, instead of the last content fragment.
Oct 20 17:17:19 <lasserix> But now I realize I can just pop off up to the fragment underneath the first content fragment but I was hoping there'd be a simle method call I could use to swap on the backstack
Oct 20 17:17:27 <lasserix> *simple
Oct 20 17:17:33 <lasserix> thanks for that info SimonVT
Oct 20 17:50:58 <Striker121> Anyone know how to solve the "R cannot be resolved issue"?
Oct 20 17:51:11 <maxagaz> hi
Oct 20 17:51:15 <Striker121> I'm trying to simply build the BluetoothChat example from Android
Oct 20 17:51:29 <sampullman> clean project, delete gen, rebuild
Oct 20 17:51:32 <Sculptor> try build all
Oct 20 17:51:36 <Striker121> Already did
Oct 20 17:51:47 <Striker121> Only thing I'm not sure of is "delete gen"
Oct 20 17:52:00 <Striker121> What do you mean by that?
Oct 20 17:52:00 <sampullman> well, i don't use eclipse so it might do it for you
Oct 20 17:52:05 <Striker121> Ah
Oct 20 17:52:07 <sampullman> but try deleting the gen folder
Oct 20 17:52:17 <sampullman> yourproject/gen
Oct 20 17:52:23 <maxagaz> my call of an async task crashes from a button: https://gist.github.com/3924193, but works fine in the onCreate method (outside the button), why ?
Oct 20 17:52:25 <sampullman> it's where R.java is
Oct 20 17:52:57 <maxagaz> the error message is: Caused by: android.view.ViewRootImpl$CalledFromWrongThreadException: Only the original thread that created a view hierarchy can touch its views.
Oct 20 17:53:14 <sampullman> maxagaz: when you're displaying a toast, it needs a context. you're giving it the onclicklistener context in that case
Oct 20 17:53:15 <sampullman> not ok
Oct 20 17:53:33 <Striker121> Interesting, now it isnt helping but building isn't givening any errors either
Oct 20 17:53:37 <Striker121> It just seems to do nothing
Oct 20 17:53:39 <maxagaz> sampullman: the Toast is commented
Oct 20 17:53:44 * Striker121 looks around to see if a window got exited
Oct 20 17:54:08 <sampullman> well, the error is pretty obvious
Oct 20 17:54:19 <sampullman> you're trying to update the ui from a thread
Oct 20 17:54:40 <sampullman> don't update the ui in the background method of the asynctask
Oct 20 17:55:11 <Gambit-> you know, all of the people who make that bug would have been protected by one very simple little assertion, if they'd added it to the aosp.
Oct 20 17:56:54 <Striker121> Interesting
Oct 20 17:56:59 <Sculptor> what software do you guys use to make nice icons
Oct 20 17:56:59 <Striker121> Now whenever I try to build
Oct 20 17:57:02 <Striker121> Nothing happens at all
Oct 20 17:57:17 <Striker121> No error, no nothing. No new Gen file is created
Oct 20 17:57:18 <sampullman> haha, nice
Oct 20 17:57:22 <sampullman> inkscape
Oct 20 17:57:34 <sampullman> did you accidentally delete the whole project folder?
Oct 20 17:57:57 <Striker121> Nope
Oct 20 17:58:02 <Striker121> Just the Gen folder
Oct 20 17:58:08 * Striker121 is gonna just reload the example
Oct 20 17:58:10 <Sculptor> sampullman, nice. can you use it to convert from vector to bitmap formats as well
Oct 20 17:58:12 <sampullman> well, maybe restarting eclipse will help
Oct 20 17:58:21 <sampullman> Sculptor, yes
Oct 20 17:58:29 <Sculptor> first class
Oct 20 17:58:30 <Sculptor> thanks
Oct 20 17:59:11 <Striker121> Gah, I really wish I didn't have to deal with this stuff with bluetooth
Oct 20 17:59:21 <Striker121> All I want to go is "open Connect to UUID" "Send stuff"
Oct 20 17:59:31 <Striker121> App Inventor was actually that simple in that regard
Oct 20 18:00:27 <Striker121> Gahhhh
Oct 20 18:00:40 <Striker121> Anyone else want to open their BluetoothChat example for 4.01 and take a look?
Oct 20 18:00:59 <Striker121> Because I can't imagine this is a problem only I'm having and that none of the normal ways are working :(
Oct 20 18:01:06 <sampullman> sounds tedious
Oct 20 18:01:21 <Striker121> Indeed
Oct 20 18:01:41 <Striker121> I wish I'd atleast get a specific error message for why it wouldn't build
Oct 20 18:02:32 <sampullman> ill take a look
Oct 20 18:02:34 <profligacy> are there any good podcasts for android development?
Oct 20 18:03:35 <Striker121> Ah, interesting
Oct 20 18:03:58 <Striker121> If I open main.xml, even though it has no errors listed on the explorer, it has a message at the bottom saying "The project target (Android 4.1) was not properly loaded."
Oct 20 18:04:15 <Striker121> Maybe it should tell the USER that....
Oct 20 18:04:24 * profligacy -Are there any good podcasts for android development?
Oct 20 18:04:33 <sampullman> Striker: it builds just fine for me
Oct 20 18:04:55 <Striker121> Strange
Oct 20 18:05:00 <sampullman> installs/works just fine too
Oct 20 18:05:06 <Striker121> Does that 4.01 error sound like anything to you?
Oct 20 18:05:13 <sampullman> err, fc after bluetooth connect
Oct 20 18:05:17 <Striker121> AVD says that 4.0.1 is installed fine
Oct 20 18:05:28 <Striker121> Interesting...
Oct 20 18:05:43 <sampullman> i installed it from the command line
Oct 20 18:05:51 <sampullman> eclipse must be doing something funny
Oct 20 18:06:16 <sampullman> did you make sure to update the project? dunno how eclipse handles that
Oct 20 18:06:46 <Striker121> What do you mean by updating it?
Oct 20 18:06:58 <sampullman> to make it work, all i had to do was:
Oct 20 18:07:05 <sampullman> android update project -p . -t 9
Oct 20 18:07:08 <sampullman> ant debug
Oct 20 18:07:22 <sampullman> in the folder it was installed
Oct 20 18:07:30 <sampullman> *copied
Oct 20 18:18:12 <sampullman> how would i go about having different (text file) assets for different screen sizes?
Oct 20 18:18:40 <sampullman> sounds odd, but I have text files with a bunch of info about a resource
Oct 20 18:20:20 <jasta> sampullman: res/raw-<qualifier>
Oct 20 18:20:38 <sampullman> thanks, dunno how i missed that
Oct 20 18:57:08 <Jug6ernaut> anyone here with a note2?
Oct 20 18:57:37 <ironm> Jug6ernaut, n7000
Oct 20 18:57:48 <ironm> Note N7000
Oct 20 18:57:59 <Jug6ernaut> n7100
Oct 20 18:58:17 <ironm> Jug6ernaut, what resolution ?
Oct 20 18:58:29 <Jug6ernaut> 720p
Oct 20 18:58:47 <ironm> well ... N7000 has 1280x800
Oct 20 18:58:53 <Jug6ernaut> i know
Oct 20 18:58:54 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Oct 20 18:58:55 <Jug6ernaut> i have one
Oct 20 18:59:31 <ironm> do you think there is something better ?
Oct 20 19:00:11 <Jug6ernaut> it is
Oct 20 19:00:22 <Jug6ernaut> but i want some files from one
Oct 20 19:00:46 <maxagaz> is it possible to focus a scrollview to the top of one of its child views ?
Oct 20 19:00:48 <BulleTime> hey guys.,
Oct 20 19:00:50 <BulleTime> http://pastebin.com/Dugw8tVL
Oct 20 19:01:03 <BulleTime> android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #22
Oct 20 19:01:08 <BulleTime> where can i find this file?
Oct 20 19:01:37 <Jug6ernaut> pl.magot.vetch.ancal.views.ViewImgButton
Oct 20 19:01:50 <Jug6ernaut> not an Android file, so its somewhere in your project
Oct 20 19:01:58 <BulleTime> no
Oct 20 19:02:01 <Jug6ernaut> maxagaz what do you mean
Oct 20 19:02:05 <BulleTime> i renamed the project
Oct 20 19:02:14 <Jug6ernaut> and?
Oct 20 19:02:25 <BulleTime> i dont have "pl.magot.vetch.ancal.views.ViewImgButton" anymore
Oct 20 19:02:48 <BulleTime> and i searched the whole project for that package name
Oct 20 19:02:52 <BulleTime> no results
Oct 20 19:03:02 <Jug6ernaut> well you still referencing it somwhere
Oct 20 19:03:20 <Jug6ernaut> look for ViewImgButton
Oct 20 19:03:29 <Jug6ernaut> clean project
Oct 20 19:03:35 <Jug6ernaut> onohesback
Oct 20 19:04:24 <maxagaz> Jug6ernaut: let's take an example, I have 3 buttons always visible at the bottom of my main view, and 3 images in scrollview, when I click on a button, I'd like the scrollview to move until this image, is this possible ?
Oct 20 19:04:54 <ddreamer0> JakeWharton hi! are you around? i made my custom background with divider for actionBarItemBackground and it worked, but it also apllies it to my logo !
Oct 20 19:04:55 <maxagaz> (to its corresponding image)
Oct 20 19:05:06 <ddreamer0> JakeWharton : is there a way to avoid that ?
Oct 20 19:05:27 <Jug6ernaut> maxagaz sure
Oct 20 19:05:35 <maxagaz> Jug6ernaut: how ?
Oct 20 19:05:48 <Jug6ernaut> you can tell the scrollview ot scroll to a specific point
Oct 20 19:06:03 <BulleTime> yeah i found viewImgButton but there's nothing like that package name in the code...
Oct 20 19:06:27 <Jug6ernaut> BulleTime its pulling it from somewhere, it HAS TO BE
Oct 20 19:06:34 <Jug6ernaut> i assure you there is no magic lol
Oct 20 19:07:04 <BulleTime> yeah
Oct 20 19:07:21 <BulleTime> but how can i find trough my project for text?
Oct 20 19:07:37 <BulleTime> i tought i did that, with no results
Oct 20 19:07:48 <Jug6ernaut> did you clean your project?
Oct 20 19:07:54 <BulleTime> but im not sure its looking inside the whole project
Oct 20 19:08:00 <maxagaz> Jug6ernaut: how to get this specific point and how to set it ?
Oct 20 19:08:10 <Jug6ernaut> ...what do you mean the whole project...
Oct 20 19:08:11 <BulleTime> yeah i cleared the bin dir and rebuilded it
Oct 20 19:08:28 <Jug6ernaut> maxagaz you need to get the dementions of the images
Oct 20 19:08:33 <Jug6ernaut> use that to set the scroll
Oct 20 19:08:57 <Jug6ernaut> BulleTime click Project/Clean
Oct 20 19:09:03 <BulleTime> where?
Oct 20 19:09:08 <Jug6ernaut> Project
Oct 20 19:09:10 <Jug6ernaut> Clean
Oct 20 19:09:29 <BulleTime> ok lets try
Oct 20 19:09:31 <Jug6ernaut> and do a search with Search/File
Oct 20 19:09:38 <maxagaz> Jug6ernaut: once I get this dimension, what parameter should I set in the scrollview ?
Oct 20 19:12:40 <Jug6ernaut> maxagaz scrollTo or smoothScrollTo
Oct 20 19:17:21 <BulleTime> ok so clear wont solve my issue
Oct 20 19:17:54 <BulleTime> but what is that xml file logcat says?
Oct 20 19:18:01 <BulleTime> line 22
Oct 20 19:20:17 <ddreamer0> guys i made my custom background with a 9patch divider for actionBarItemBackground and it worked fine for my icons, but it also applies it to my home icon ! is there a way to avoid this ?
Oct 20 19:20:38 <apoplectic> are there any good podcasts for android development?
Oct 20 19:21:40 <tech1> iv never seen any
Oct 20 19:22:13 <apoplectic> heard any?
Oct 20 19:22:41 <tech1> not come accross any podcasts for any kind of development actually
Oct 20 19:23:37 <tech1> you might as well just find something on youtube and rip the audio
Oct 20 19:24:54 <clever> how do i send an event from a service back to the currently active activity?
Oct 20 19:25:06 <clever> i tried using startActivity, but it threw an error
Oct 20 19:25:23 <clever> android.util.AndroidRuntimeException: Calling startActivity() from outside of an Activity  context requires the FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag. Is this really what you want?
Oct 20 19:26:09 <clever> http://privatepaste.com/57087f02c8 its within the GCM callback service
Oct 20 19:32:17 <p_l> is there a specific channel for Google TV? (Frankly speaking, mostly interested in building my own device with it)
Oct 20 19:36:09 <p_l> (and whether it supports flash)
Oct 20 19:40:51 <BulleTime> ok so i might just passed some error but
Oct 20 19:41:08 <BulleTime> anyone can look at my log?
Oct 20 19:41:55 <BulleTime> http://pastebin.com/iv93qJBm
Oct 20 19:42:30 <Snuffel> hmmmmm
Oct 20 19:42:39 <sampullman> what's your question?
Oct 20 19:42:40 <Snuffel> it can't find a class
Oct 20 19:43:08 <Snuffel> must be the manifest or something
Oct 20 19:43:19 <sampullman> ^^ agreed, post your manifest
Oct 20 19:46:41 <BulleTime> http://pastebin.com/RYS8kWSQ
Oct 20 19:46:55 <BulleTime> not sure i think the manifest is good anyhow
Oct 20 19:47:57 <Snuffel> oh
Oct 20 19:51:01 <sampullman> does the error happen on startup?
Oct 20 19:59:51 <apoplectic> are there any good podcasts for android development?
Oct 20 20:00:00 <asanchez> Hello Android developers, what is the best way to adapt images to multiple resolutions? multiple drawable folders with each image adapted each size?
Oct 20 20:00:28 <sampullman> asanchez: yes
Oct 20 20:00:45 <diki> is it possible to disable the compiler "error" where it tells me if a statement is uncreachable or not? How can it now if it's unreachable or not if my logic says it will!?!
Oct 20 20:00:56 <diki> s/now/know
Oct 20 20:01:13 <sampullman> diki: if a statement is unreachable, you've done something wrong. you don't want that error disabled
Oct 20 20:01:15 <apoplectic> they have various folders for low, medium and high density resolution images
Oct 20 20:01:15 <apoplectic> the app will use the appropriate version of the image (for the device that it is running on)
Oct 20 20:01:27 <tech1> compilers dont usually lie
Oct 20 20:01:54 <sampullman> static analysis is fun!
Oct 20 20:01:57 <apoplectic> You may have done something uncessary (in case you don't consider that wrong)
Oct 20 20:02:52 <JesusFreke> sampullman: there are cases where you do want that warning disabled
Oct 20 20:03:06 <BulleTime> yes on startup sampullman
Oct 20 20:03:07 <asanchez> It's possible by code to dynamically load the drawables using a path name ?
Oct 20 20:03:08 <apoplectic> What cases?
Oct 20 20:03:12 <sampullman> it's not a warning, and can you provide me a case?
Oct 20 20:03:17 <JesusFreke> sampullman: for example, if you have a static final boolean that you are using to control a certain debugging-only feature or something
Oct 20 20:03:46 <apoplectic> what does static mean again?
Oct 20 20:03:53 <sampullman> JesusFreke: maybe im not getting it, but i don't see why that means you should have an unreachable statement
Oct 20 20:04:06 <sampullman> unreachable == unreachable
Oct 20 20:04:09 <sampullman> may as well comment it out
Oct 20 20:04:15 <BulleTime> i need to reboot bbl
Oct 20 20:04:40 <JesusFreke> sampullman: nevermind, I was thinking of the warning that a certain block of code can't be reached. Not the corresponding compiler error (which is a slightly different case)
Oct 20 20:04:54 <apoplectic> sampullman: it could be something that the editor incorrectly identifies as a statement that's not reachable
Oct 20 20:05:01 <sampullman> nope
Oct 20 20:05:04 <JesusFreke> apoplectic: no
Oct 20 20:05:14 <apoplectic> ?
Oct 20 20:05:19 <apoplectic> it wasnt a question
Oct 20 20:05:22 <sampullman> first of all, we're talking about the "compiler", not the "editor"
Oct 20 20:05:24 <apoplectic> it was a stateent
Oct 20 20:05:25 <tech1> the editor just writes code. it has nothing to do with compilation
Oct 20 20:05:30 <sampullman> the statement was wrong
Oct 20 20:05:30 <JesusFreke> apoplectic: and your statement was incorrect :)
Oct 20 20:05:51 <apoplectic> ha, i keep acting like i know what im talkin about
Oct 20 20:06:21 <JesusFreke> apoplectic: pastebin the code?
Oct 20 20:06:29 <JesusFreke> and we can tell you why it's incorrect :)
Oct 20 20:06:44 <sampullman> it was diki who had the question, i believe
Oct 20 20:06:50 <JesusFreke> oh, sorry
Oct 20 20:06:55 <JesusFreke> I just came in on the middle of it. lol
Oct 20 20:07:09 <apoplectic> JesusFreke: I don't have any code
Oct 20 20:07:22 <apoplectic> It wasn't me with the issue.
Oct 20 20:07:25 <apoplectic> I thought it was you.
Oct 20 20:07:46 <JesusFreke> not I :)
Oct 20 20:07:59 <apoplectic> So the compiler determines what issues are in your code, before you compile it?
Oct 20 20:08:01 <JesusFreke> diki: pastebin the code, and we'll convince you the code really is unreachable :)
Oct 20 20:08:11 <sampullman> no, WHILE you compiler
Oct 20 20:08:13 <apoplectic> Or is it constantly compiling?
Oct 20 20:08:16 <sampullman> hence: compiler
Oct 20 20:08:25 <sampullman> *while you compile it
Oct 20 20:08:28 <apoplectic> WHILE you comipler?
Oct 20 20:08:29 <apoplectic> oh
Oct 20 20:08:33 <apoplectic> But
Oct 20 20:08:37 <apoplectic> it identifies issues
Oct 20 20:08:38 <JesusFreke> note the IDE may do it's own pseudo-compilation in the background
Oct 20 20:08:39 <apoplectic> as i type the code
Oct 20 20:08:42 <apoplectic> into the editor
Oct 20 20:08:52 <sampullman> you're editor, not mine
Oct 20 20:08:54 <sampullman> *your
Oct 20 20:08:57 <apoplectic> Then, you may be wrong.
Oct 20 20:09:06 <apoplectic> Not the compiler, but some aspect of the IDE.
Oct 20 20:09:20 <sampullman> the ide can be wrong
Oct 20 20:09:21 <JesusFreke> apoplectic: nope. even an IDE "won't" (shouldn't) get that wrong
Oct 20 20:09:40 <apoplectic> shouldn't but could.
Oct 20 20:09:57 <JesusFreke> in which case, it's a bug in the IDE and should be fixed :)
Oct 20 20:09:59 <apoplectic> If i make an IDE today, I guarantee it can/will be prone to such issues
Oct 20 20:10:09 <tech1> try and compile your code manually
Oct 20 20:10:12 <diki> JesusFreke:I am working on the code atm. I don't want to post unfinished code.
Oct 20 20:10:19 <asanchez> Sorry, it's possible to make something like res.getDrawable("/images/MyImage.png") ? I need to load dynamic path images and take care of every possible resolution.
Oct 20 20:10:41 <JesusFreke> apoplectic: most IDEs are slightly more well tested than yours would be ;)
Oct 20 20:10:51 <sampullman> asanchez: you access drawables with R.drawable.MyImage
Oct 20 20:11:06 <JesusFreke> even eclipse should be able to get that right
Oct 20 20:11:08 * JesusFreke ducks
Oct 20 20:11:14 <JesusFreke> (not an eclipse fan :p)
Oct 20 20:13:15 <asanchez> sampullman, currently I've the images defined in assets/images and defined in a XML. But i think it's not a good idea because it's not gonna be adapted correctly each resolution. So I want to move the images to drawable but i still have the definition of the images in the XML. So i don't know if i can get the name of the image and use dynamically.
Oct 20 20:13:38 <sampullman> and i just answered that
Oct 20 20:13:44 <sampullman> R.drawable.myimage
Oct 20 20:13:57 <sampullman> is a reference to your image
Oct 20 20:15:16 <JesusFreke> asanchez: use it dynamically where? In the code? or in another xml file
Oct 20 20:16:09 <JesusFreke> also, what do you mean by "have the definition of the images in the xml"
Oct 20 20:16:23 <asanchez> Yes, in the code. I have a XML with <imageFile>myImage</imageFile> and i need to look for the image in drawable exists, or in the assets.
Oct 20 20:16:25 <JesusFreke> you don't need to "define" an image. you just have to put it in the correct drawable directory
Oct 20 20:16:52 <JesusFreke> asanchez: oh, an arbitrary xml file in res/xml?
Oct 20 20:18:06 <asanchez> We define XML with the kind of screen, navigation and contents. In the contents we use images. Now we use assets/images but it's not a good idea for different resolutions.
Oct 20 20:18:16 <asanchez> And we are thinking to move images from assets to drawables in that situation.
Oct 20 20:18:28 <asanchez> But we need to load dinamically and i have a path name.
Oct 20 20:19:10 <sampullman> you don't need the path name, just the identifier
Oct 20 20:19:46 <sampullman> anything in res/drawable-xxx/ can be reference with R.drawable.myimage
Oct 20 20:20:14 <JesusFreke> sampullman: but you can't use that in another xml file
Oct 20 20:20:25 <sampullman> of course you can
Oct 20 20:20:29 <sampullman> @drawable/myimage
Oct 20 20:21:14 <JesusFreke> sampullman: sure, for something that is themed and can "accept" a drawable attribute. I don't think that will work for an arbitrary xml file. (but I'm not 100% certain either)
Oct 20 20:21:50 <asanchez> But if i have an XML with imageFile and text, and i want to load the data, how i can do it by code? Because in the XML i need to transform the path name with an id (and i'm asking this because it's a multi platform framework and in the another operating systems we provide the path file name.
Oct 20 20:22:06 <sampullman> um, im not positive, but i think you can
Oct 20 20:22:11 <asanchez> Then I think its not possible to get a drawable by path name and take care about every drawable resolution.
Oct 20 20:22:43 <sampullman> you aren't meant to access your drawables by path name, and you shouldn't have to
Oct 20 20:22:47 <JesusFreke> asanchez: yeah, you don't want to deal with drawables via paths. But what you want should still be possible-ish
Oct 20 20:22:59 <sampullman> definitely possible
Oct 20 20:23:47 <JesusFreke> asanchez: are you wanting to use the same xml files, without modification? (i.e. are you limited to using a file path in the xml)
Oct 20 20:24:19 <JesusFreke> if you can tweak the xml files, then it should be pretty. otherwise, you're probably going to need to provide some path->id mapping
Oct 20 20:24:27 <JesusFreke> then it should be pretty easy*
Oct 20 20:25:00 <BulleTime> back
Oct 20 20:25:03 <asanchez> path->id mapping would be nice :)
Oct 20 20:26:06 <sampullman> you shouldn't try to work around the system
Oct 20 20:26:07 <sampullman> do it right
Oct 20 20:26:26 <asanchez> JesusFreke, anyway you recommend change in the XML file /image/myImage.png by myImage ?
Oct 20 20:27:07 <JesusFreke> yeah, that would probably be easiest
Oct 20 20:28:07 <asanchez> Then I read the XML and use that string as res.getDrawable(myXMLData);
Oct 20 20:28:23 <JesusFreke> alternately, just add another xml file with something like <images><image name="myImage" path="/image/myimage.png"/></images>
Oct 20 20:28:42 <JesusFreke> and then read that in and create a map
Oct 20 20:30:18 <asanchez> R.drawable.myImage is a string? I mean i can use the data from the XML with getDrawable ?
Oct 20 20:30:27 <JesusFreke> no, it's an int
Oct 20 20:30:59 <asanchez> Oh, then how i can map the name in my XML with the code and get the drawable? :o
Oct 20 20:31:04 <JesusFreke> you can use getResources().getIdentifier(imageName, "drawable", getPackageName())
Oct 20 20:31:10 <JesusFreke> to get the id
Oct 20 20:31:15 <JesusFreke> and then getDrawable with the id
Oct 20 20:31:46 <asanchez> Yes. I tried that but i'm not sure when you specify drawable if it takes care of drawable-ldpi, sdpi, ..
Oct 20 20:31:56 <sampullman> nope
Oct 20 20:32:17 <sampullman> just takes care of it if you name the folders right
Oct 20 20:32:24 <sampullman> and that's such an awful workaround. why can't you just use the int ids, and reference them in xml with @drawable?
Oct 20 20:32:27 <JesusFreke> asanchez: yes, it will choose the correct drawable
Oct 20 20:32:32 <JesusFreke> based on the current configuration
Oct 20 20:32:54 <JesusFreke> sampullman: you can't use a @drawable reference directly in an arbitrary xml file
Oct 20 20:32:57 <asanchez> sampullman, because I define all the navigation and contents in XML, so i can use the same in another platforms. I need to get drawables by code.
Oct 20 20:33:07 <asanchez> That is the reason because we use now assets / images.
Oct 20 20:33:12 <JesusFreke> well, I think you can
Oct 20 20:33:15 <JesusFreke> but it's not straight-forward
Oct 20 20:33:16 <sampullman> JesusFreke: are you sure?
Oct 20 20:33:34 <sampullman> i vaguely recall doing just that, but my memory could be off
Oct 20 20:33:54 <JesusFreke> sampullman: you have to create a styleable thingy (<declare-styleable>), and then reference that new styleable as a namespace in the xml
Oct 20 20:34:19 <sampullman> well, that's far more elegant than mapping the strings to ids yourself
Oct 20 20:34:39 <JesusFreke> right. but  there's almost no documentation on how to do that. I don't remember exactly how offhand
Oct 20 20:34:46 <delac> can anyone test for me if the USSD bug still works if the page is reloaded (in stock browser)?
Oct 20 20:35:41 <JesusFreke> or maybe <style>
Oct 20 20:39:27 <asanchez> JesusFreke, we used getResources with drawable but it didn't work, If i remember correctly and now we use large images in assets/images and with the layouts we get the image adapted. But it's not the best way.
Oct 20 20:39:37 <asanchez> We prefer to put the right image in each drawable folder
Oct 20 20:41:16 <JesusFreke> asanchez: ok, got it. I had to re-figure out how to create a custom attribute
Oct 20 20:42:13 <JesusFreke> create a values/attr.xml xml file, an in the top level <resources>, add a <attr name="imageFile" format="reference" />
Oct 20 20:42:45 <JesusFreke> then, in your custom xml file, add a namespace on the top level element:   xmlns:myapp="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/com.my.package.name"
Oct 20 20:43:40 <JesusFreke> and then, for the imageFile node, change it to <imageFile myapp:imageFile="@drawable/mydrawable"/>
Oct 20 20:44:18 <ddreamer0> does anyone know if i can customize the style of a specific actionitem in an actionbar ?
Oct 20 20:44:25 <JesusFreke> that will let you reference the correct drawable
Oct 20 20:44:49 <JesusFreke> and then, when you're reading the xml, there's a way to get the referenced id. I'll leave that as an excercise for the reader :D
Oct 20 20:44:57 <JesusFreke> but I don't remember :p
Oct 20 20:45:05 <JesusFreke> because I don't remember*
Oct 20 20:45:47 <asanchez> A little complicated when you have a same XML defining the images in other platforms like iOS or html5 ;-)
Oct 20 20:45:58 <asanchez> I will investigate a little more.
Oct 20 20:46:07 <JesusFreke> asanchez: yeah, agreed :)
Oct 20 20:46:10 <asanchez> And this situation when you have the images in local, sometimes you need the images from a server.
Oct 20 20:46:16 <clever> android.util.AndroidRuntimeException: Calling startActivity() from outside of an Activity  context requires the FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag. Is this really what you want?
Oct 20 20:46:26 <clever> how do i send an event from a service back to the currently active activity?
Oct 20 20:46:27 <JesusFreke> asanchez: you could potentially just add the imageFile attribute, but leave the path as the value
Oct 20 20:46:31 <clever> i tried using startActivity, but it threw an error, http://privatepaste.com/57087f02c8 its within the GCM callback service
Oct 20 20:46:37 <JesusFreke> and ignore the imageFile attribute on the other platforms
Oct 20 20:46:53 <asanchez> And this situation when you have the images in local, sometimes you need the images from a server.
Oct 20 20:47:06 <JesusFreke> yeah, good luck with that :)
Oct 20 20:47:08 <clever> ive already tagged it with android:launchMode="singleTask", so FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK seems to kinda defeat the purpose
Oct 20 20:47:23 <clever> any other way to pass events from the service to the activity?
Oct 20 20:47:31 <asanchez> JesusFreke, its easy to have folders like sdpi, mdpi and ldpi in drawables and use the right folder :)
Oct 20 20:47:52 <asanchez> sorry in assets/images
Oct 20 20:48:36 <dragorn> clever: you can bind a messenger between them (as per the service example)
Oct 20 20:48:47 <dragorn> clever: and use that to pass data from the service up to the UI
Oct 20 20:49:16 <clever> dragorn: using IBinder and the related stuff?
Oct 20 20:49:19 <dragorn> clever: you can easily stick bundles on a message
Oct 20 20:49:55 <dragorn> clever: yeah, using a binder
Oct 20 20:50:02 <clever> i'll give it a try then
Oct 20 20:50:14 <g00s> its bundles all the way down
Oct 20 20:50:26 <dragorn> you don't need to go into the aidl stuff (at least, i never have, and I do pretty wacko stuff with services)
Oct 20 20:51:13 <clever> g00s: last i heard, it was turtles
Oct 20 20:51:20 <g00s> :)
Oct 20 20:51:28 <dragorn> bundles of turtles.
Oct 20 20:51:32 <g00s> turtles can go in bundles if they are Parcelable
Oct 20 20:52:00 <JesusFreke> yeah, you don't need aidl/binder unless you're wanting to talk to the service from a different process
Oct 20 20:52:26 <clever> JesusFreke: but does GCM start things in another process at all?
Oct 20 20:52:33 <clever> or is it just another thread?, or the main thread?
Oct 20 20:52:34 <JesusFreke> clever: nope
Oct 20 20:53:54 <JesusFreke> dunno how it's implemented offhand. but you won't get a different process, unless you're doing something like setting the process attribute for a service, in AndroidManifest.xml
Oct 20 20:53:58 <clever> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html#Messenger
Oct 20 20:54:03 <clever> so i would start here i guess
Oct 20 20:54:29 <JesusFreke> clever: if everything's in the same process, you don't have to do anything funky
Oct 20 20:54:56 <clever> the last service i was editing with a subclass of Binder, the messaging was one way
Oct 20 20:54:59 <clever> activity->service
Oct 20 20:55:29 <JesusFreke> you don't need binder unless you're communicating between processes
Oct 20 20:55:44 <clever> in that other case, the binder simply returned a ref to the service
Oct 20 20:55:54 <JesusFreke> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html#LocalServiceSample
Oct 20 20:56:43 <JesusFreke> you do "sorta" have to mess with binder I guess. because you still have to return a binder instance from onBind
Oct 20 20:56:50 <JesusFreke> but it can just be a small placeholder, like in that example
Oct 20 20:56:54 <JesusFreke> no aidl needed at all
Oct 20 20:57:07 <clever> yeah
Oct 20 20:57:22 <clever> was just wondering about the best way to send a message in the other direction
Oct 20 20:57:38 <clever> i guess i can just do service.setCurrentActivity(this)
Oct 20 20:57:42 <JesusFreke> clever: just register a callback
Oct 20 20:58:09 <JesusFreke> just be sure that you manage its lifetime appropriately :)
Oct 20 20:58:28 <clever> yeah, clear it from onPause
Oct 20 20:58:32 <clever> overwrite it from other onStarts
Oct 20 21:02:16 <dragorn> clever: the messenger you bind to the service has a field that goes the ohter way
Oct 20 21:02:52 <clever> i'll give that a try if this callback doesnt work out, its already half writen
Oct 20 21:02:53 <dragorn> clever: bind a handler and you can send messages from the service to the client
Oct 20 21:03:12 <dragorn> same handling mechanism as the service
Oct 20 21:05:19 <JesusFreke> clever: another option is to register a dynamic broadcast receiver in the activity
Oct 20 21:05:25 <JesusFreke> and send a broadcast from the service
Oct 20 21:05:29 <JesusFreke> but seems a bit heavy-weight
Oct 20 21:06:02 <JesusFreke> but, potentially fairly elegant
Oct 20 21:06:54 <JesusFreke> because the lifecycle of the receiver is tied to that of the activity automatically, it makes the lifetime management trivial
Oct 20 21:07:05 <JesusFreke> or rather, it removes the need for the lifetime management
Oct 20 21:07:36 <monsti> i also used this pattern
Oct 20 21:07:39 <clever> if i un-bind the service in onstop, it should die on its own, when its time comes
Oct 20 21:07:42 <monsti> it's quite elegant
Oct 20 21:09:10 <JesusFreke> clever: but you don't want the service hanging on to the callback after it's onbound
Oct 20 21:09:38 <clever> JesusFreke: public void onStop() {service.onStop(this); }
Oct 20 21:09:48 <clever> and then within the service, if x == y, x = null;
Oct 20 21:10:07 <clever> no more ref to the activity :)
Oct 20 21:10:29 <JesusFreke> clever: you don't "stop" a bound service :)
Oct 20 21:10:37 <JesusFreke> you unbind it
Oct 20 21:10:51 <clever> thats a custom method on the service, to delete the reference to the activity
Oct 20 21:10:55 <clever> called before doing unbind
Oct 20 21:11:03 <JesusFreke> oh, ok. makes sense
Oct 20 21:11:27 <clever> if another activity has already done onStart and replaced the ref, the if above will not break that
Oct 20 21:11:41 <JesusFreke> but that's my point. with a broadcast receiver, it's all managed automatically :)
Oct 20 21:11:50 <JesusFreke> you don't have to think about it
Oct 20 21:12:01 <clever> too late, already thought about it!
Oct 20 21:12:04 <clever> already wrote the code!
Oct 20 21:12:06 <JesusFreke> (i.e. less of an opportunity to get it wrong) :)
Oct 20 21:14:15 <clever> hmmmm, now to try and trace things out
Oct 20 21:14:23 <clever> did i add all that to the wrong activity? lol
Oct 20 21:14:47 <clever> i think i did
Oct 20 21:16:43 <clever> ok, all moved over..... and it still compiles :)
Oct 20 21:18:28 <SrPx> How to create a configuration menu with 2 text areas that will save something? (No need to explain just tell what is the right way and some names to google and that's good!)
Oct 20 21:19:06 <sampullman> Hard to tell what you want, but look at PreferenceActivity
Oct 20 21:19:18 <sampullman> EditTextPreference might be what you want
Oct 20 21:19:29 <mdkess> I want to make a listview where the background scrolls with the listview - sort of like a list of cards kind of idea. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Oct 20 21:20:18 <SrPx> sampullman: I want to create that configuration screen that appears with a screw icon when you press the Option button on your device
Oct 20 21:20:28 <sampullman> mdkess: this might help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10808387/android-getting-exact-scroll-position-in-listview
Oct 20 21:20:34 <SrPx> 'Settings' actually
Oct 20 21:21:14 <sampullman> SrPx: I usually handle my settings with a PreferenceActivity (SherlockPreferenceActivity, actually)
Oct 20 21:21:40 <SrPx> thanks
Oct 20 21:23:51 <mdkess> sampullman, cool, that makes sense. Follow up question is then - is a ListView the appropriate container for this? What I want to create is something similar in appearance to Google Now's cards.
Oct 20 21:24:44 <sampullman> im not sure what Google Now's cards look like, but listview makes sense to me
Oct 20 21:24:53 <sampullman> although you may want to look into GridView
Oct 20 21:29:35 <diki> So..
Oct 20 21:30:15 <diki> From within JNI I update a java variable A LOT. After around 20-30 seconds the app crashes and I get numerous information starting with "ReferenceTable overflow".
Oct 20 21:31:31 <clever> JesusFreke: hmmm, now i need to add a logout button
Oct 20 21:31:41 <Allan1097> Hola
Oct 20 21:31:42 <clever> cant test that code, because GCM is registered!
Oct 20 21:31:42 <Allan1097> Hi
Oct 20 21:33:06 <JesusFreke> diki: can you pastebin an example of the code you're using to update the variable?
Oct 20 21:33:09 <diki> okay, tried with DeleteLocalRef and will see what happens
Oct 20 21:33:21 <JesusFreke> yea, that's likely what you need :)
Oct 20 21:33:36 <JesusFreke> you're not freeing your references somewhere
Oct 20 21:33:40 <diki> JesusFreke:http://pastebin.com/ugUaVCqu
Oct 20 21:33:48 <diki> but minus the deletelocaref line until a moment ago
Oct 20 21:34:02 <Allan1097> I have problem to download the Android SDK
Oct 20 21:34:51 <Allan1097> I download from http://dl.google.com/android/installer_r20.0.3-windows.exe and to open the executable say:
Oct 20 21:35:07 <Allan1097> The check integration ...
Oct 20 21:35:27 <diki> yeah that fixed the crash
Oct 20 21:36:04 <Allan1097> The file is corrupted?, I try downloading 3 times
Oct 20 21:37:09 <clever> JesusFreke: hmmmm, when using fragments, do you put the click handles on the activity or the fragment?
Oct 20 21:37:24 <JesusFreke> I haven't messed with fragments at all :)
Oct 20 21:37:43 <Allan1097> Yesterday I try and nothing
Oct 20 21:37:47 <clever> the error was looking in the activity
Oct 20 21:38:12 * clever moves it
Oct 20 21:39:15 <clever> JesusFreke: yeah, that did it
Oct 20 21:39:23 <sampullman> clever: I put them in the fragment
Oct 20 21:39:32 <clever> sampullman: didnt seem to work when in the fragment
Oct 20 21:40:23 <clever> E/AndroidRuntime(  352): java.lang.IllegalStateException: Could not find a method doLogout(View) in the activity class com.angeldsis.aewatcher.watcherMain for onClick handler on view class android.widget.Button
Oct 20 21:40:26 <sampullman> well, im not sure i do things right
Oct 20 21:41:01 <sampullman> that just means you called doLogout in a context that didn't have doLogout defined
Oct 20 21:41:28 <clever> i clicked the logout button in the fragment, with doLogout on the fragment
Oct 20 21:41:30 <sampullman> try ((MyActivity)getActivity()).doLogout() from the fragment
Oct 20 21:41:33 <clever> but its naming the activity above it
Oct 20 21:41:49 <sampullman> wait, don't do that
Oct 20 21:42:10 <sampullman> handling in the activity is probably better
Oct 20 21:42:10 <clever> i moved the function to the activity and now it works just fine
Oct 20 21:42:44 <sampullman> i need to watch the google io on fragments
Oct 20 21:43:23 <clever> yep, the callback from the service is working as intended
Oct 20 21:44:38 <Allan1097>    
Oct 20 21:44:40 <Allan1097> m
Oct 20 21:44:42 <Allan1097> jjjj
Oct 20 21:44:50 <Allan1097> Sorry
Oct 20 21:44:53 <sampullman> are you having a stroke?
Oct 20 21:45:01 <Allan1097> Sorry
Oct 20 21:45:23 <clever> cat?
Oct 20 21:45:56 <Allan1097> I can download SDK Android in ZIP copressed file whitout Errors
Oct 20 21:51:59 <nelsond> Hay, i'm new to android development, didn't do much of development with eclipse. i need to test something related to Bound Services, i have my applications running, but when i debug, classes like: ContextWrapper.class cannot be found... how i set eclipse right to show them?
Oct 20 21:54:33 <nelsond> i have /platforms/android-16/android.jar attached, i'm working on version 16 of API.
Oct 20 21:57:20 <nelsond> ahh.. i found what i'm missing!
Oct 20 22:19:22 <hkhalid> anyone here ever used the template for swipe tabs and action bar?
Oct 20 22:20:02 <hkhalid> im trying to see how I can implement layouts for the tabs as it has something right now where it progmatically displays textviews
Oct 20 22:20:38 <sampullman> im working on a project right now with swipe tabs
Oct 20 22:20:56 <sampullman> my layouts are xml
Oct 20 22:21:38 <sampullman> did you have a question?
Oct 20 22:25:25 <hkhalid> sampullman: which API are you using? 15?
Oct 20 22:27:36 <sampullman> i target 16, but use bction bar sherlock to get backwards compatibility
Oct 20 22:27:41 <sampullman> down to api 7
Oct 20 22:27:51 <sampullman> *action
Oct 20 22:39:20 <hkhalid> sampullman: can I see your block of code which implements whatever xml layout
Oct 20 22:39:42 <hkhalid> sampullman: im guessing you are using SectionsPagerAdapter
Oct 20 22:42:24 <sampullman> naw, i just use a regular old ViewPager (with a minimal wrapper), and a FragmentPagerAdapter
Oct 20 22:42:29 <sampullman> http://pastebin.com/A0ytaWWQ
Oct 20 22:42:53 <sampullman> the MyViewPager isn't important, you can see it as a ViewPager
Oct 20 22:43:45 <sampullman> in each fragment, i simply inflate an xml resource and return it as the view in onCreateView
Oct 20 22:48:19 <hkhalid> sampullman: aroudn this block correct? " inflater.inflate(R.menu.calc_menu, menu);"
Oct 20 22:48:35 <sampullman> no, that's for the menu
Oct 20 22:49:03 <sampullman> the code to inflate the fragment layouts is in each individual fragment
Oct 20 22:49:23 <sampullman> here, ill post a simplified version of one
Oct 20 22:49:26 <hkhalid> sampullman: woops, here "calc.handleOptionsItemSelected(getSupportFragmentManager(), item.getItemId());"
Oct 20 22:49:36 <hkhalid> sampullman: please do, thanks!
Oct 20 22:49:42 <sampullman> what?
Oct 20 22:50:11 <hkhalid> sampullman: sorry, I meant to say, yes, please share the simple version
Oct 20 22:51:53 <sampullman> hkhalid: http://pastebin.com/5TdHkeZr
Oct 20 22:52:05 <hkhalid> thanks sampullman
Oct 20 22:59:11 <mirak> hello
Oct 20 22:59:30 <mirak> I have read some things in the documentation.
Oct 20 22:59:45 <mirak> However I can't find if it's possible to extend the gallery application
Oct 20 23:00:14 <mirak> and provide additional gallery providers, with other webservices than pickasa
Oct 20 23:00:15 <dragorn> what do you mean extend?  You can find the code for it in AOSP most likely and create your own derivative
Oct 20 23:00:32 <dragorn> ah.  As far as I know, no, not dynamically.  Moto makes their own variant for that
Oct 20 23:01:10 <mirak> dragorn, so it would not be possible to let's say create a facebook provider that will display your facebook albums there
Oct 20 23:01:50 <mirak> since it's possible to create custom accounts, I believed there would be some way
Oct 20 23:01:55 <dragorn> I haven't seen anything that does that
Oct 20 23:01:55 <sampullman> i think the facebook api would allow for that
Oct 20 23:02:01 <dragorn> other than the modified moto gallery
Oct 20 23:02:10 <mirak> sampullman, i know, it was an exemple
Oct 20 23:02:12 <dragorn> sampullman: i think the question is more, can Gallery handle it
Oct 20 23:02:22 <sampullman> ah, i see.
Oct 20 23:02:42 <dragorn> Moto f'd up their gallery accounts stuff badly enough that picasa no longer works
Oct 20 23:02:47 <dragorn> so that's fun
Oct 20 23:04:57 <mirak> so you think it would be difficult to modify gallery so it could work with dynamic contents providers ?
Oct 20 23:05:31 <mirak> i will get the source code
Oct 20 23:06:07 <mirak> i wanted to know also, if the pickasa access comes from gapps, or if it's hard coded in the application
Oct 20 23:07:25 <mirak> one thing that annoys me in the gallery is that it can't hide the navigation bar
Oct 20 23:07:47 <mirak> why is it like that ? is it by design or a mistake ?
Oct 20 23:08:14 <Sicp> it is surely not a mistake
Oct 20 23:08:26 <Sicp> you are not talking about some project that my nephew wrote
Oct 20 23:08:59 <mirak> not everything always make sens even in professional applications
Oct 20 23:09:11 <mirak> otherwise it would be perfect from the start
Oct 20 23:09:34 <mirak> but here i think that when the app goes into slide show mode, the navigation buttons should disapear
Oct 20 23:09:43 <mirak> the navigation bar i mean
Oct 20 23:09:54 <mirak> to get the picture in full screen.
Oct 20 23:12:19 <mirak> Sicp
Oct 20 23:31:22 <nkts> need help with this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=x9ZmgTNe
Oct 20 23:31:42 <nkts> I have defined service intent filter action in manifest, but it's not working
Oct 20 23:31:57 <sampullman> declare the permission to send texts in your manifest
Oct 20 23:32:14 <sampullman> *receive
Oct 20 23:32:16 <nkts> but I need only receive..
Oct 20 23:32:39 <sampullman> <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.RECEIVE_SMS" />
Oct 20 23:32:47 <nkts> android.permission.RECEIVE_SMS
Oct 20 23:32:54 <nkts> yes, I have it
Oct 20 23:33:39 <sampullman> dunno what else the error could mean
Oct 20 23:33:43 <sampullman> pretty straightforward
Oct 20 23:34:27 <nkts> yes, I'm referencing few tutorials but something could be wrong..
Oct 20 23:34:53 <nkts> this my first attempt to write such application
Oct 20 23:34:53 <sampullman> you probably didn't declare the perm in the right place
Oct 20 23:39:58 <QcMat> woohoo, back home.
Oct 20 23:40:45 <QcMat> back to getting this nexus game done
Oct 20 23:44:15 <nkts> sampullman, damn typo error!!!
Oct 20 23:44:36 <sampullman> nuts
Oct 20 23:44:46 <sampullman> QcMat: what sort of game?
Oct 20 23:44:58 <nkts> strange, why android manifest is not validated before compilation
Oct 20 23:45:17 <QcMat> sampullman, check out powpowgames / cubicfrog , I'm going to port them all
Oct 20 23:45:23 <QcMat> then any new game will be multiplatform
Oct 20 23:45:57 <sampullman> oh, cool. you work there?
Oct 20 23:46:29 <p1r473> hey guys. I have an apk that ive made just for myself and im trying to use jarsigner to self sign just for dev purposes, and I cant for the life of me figure out how to sign my apk to use on my phone
Oct 20 23:46:48 <p1r473> was wondering if someone could help me out <3
Oct 20 23:47:00 <sampullman> if you use ant debug, it should sign it with a debug key
Oct 20 23:47:05 <sampullman> then you can just install it
Oct 20 23:47:12 <sampullman> if memory serves
Oct 20 23:47:43 <p1r473> the apk im using is an existing apk that i rebuilt with some changes using apktool. so i didnt use ant debug
Oct 20 23:48:02 <QcMat> sampullman, I founded powpow and co founded cubic frog
Oct 20 23:48:43 <sampullman> p1r473: and you don't have access to the source? seems fishy
Oct 20 23:49:13 <sampullman> QcMat: that's awesome, i've been applying at some mobile game companies
Oct 20 23:49:23 <sampullman> id like to start something like that eventually
Oct 20 23:49:23 <QcMat> cool good luck!
Oct 20 23:49:27 <QcMat> it's definitely a fun thing to be working on
Oct 20 23:49:53 <QcMat> I hope I can hire some people some day, if I'd hire people now it'd eat all my profits
Oct 20 23:49:57 <QcMat> not at that point yet
Oct 20 23:50:06 <QcMat> i'd love to get young ppl on board with energy
Oct 20 23:50:35 <p1r473> sampullman: i have the entire apk decompiled, I made some changes, and I recompiled it, and now Im trying to sign it to use on my phone
Oct 20 23:50:49 <CVirus> Where can I read about R.layout.simple_expandable_list_item_1 and other layouts inside R.layout ?
Oct 20 23:50:51 <p1r473> but I have no idea how to sign it with jarsigner
Oct 20 23:51:58 <sampullman> you need to generate a key, and follow the instructions here: http://developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html
Oct 20 23:52:52 <p1r473> ive been following the tutorial, ive tried using bob and alices example keys
Oct 20 23:53:20 <p1r473> I cant figure out how to make the keystore that I can then use jarsigner with
Oct 20 23:54:13 <sampullman> it's right there in the instructions
Oct 20 23:54:15 <sampullman> keytool -genkey -v -keystore my-release-key.keystore
Oct 20 23:54:15 <sampullman> -alias alias_name -keyalg RSA -keysize 2048 -validity 10000
Oct 20 23:58:25 <p1r473> I tried that, but I keep getting an error that my certificate chain cant be found
Oct 20 23:59:48 <sampullman> not sure then, i've never had an issue
Oct 21 00:00:42 <p1r473> im using jarsigner -verbose -keystore my-release-key.keystore project.apk project
Oct 21 00:00:46 <p1r473> after that line you gave me
Oct 21 00:00:52 <p1r473> and the keystore references the one i made
Oct 21 00:02:36 <p1r473> nevermind, i got it
Oct 21 00:04:52 <p1r473> was giving it wrong alias
Oct 21 00:44:02 <SrPx> On my android phone, when I press a button with 4 squares, one of them highlighted, it shows a menu that has buttons such as 'Settings' and 'Refresh'. What is that menu called? How can I add stuff to it? I can see a 'settings' button there on my Hello World example. Nothing happens if I click on it, though. Where is this coded?
Oct 21 00:45:36 <sampullman> sounds like a dialog with a listview
Oct 21 00:45:57 <sampullman> hard to tell from the description, though
Oct 21 00:49:27 <SrPx> Really?
Oct 21 00:49:42 <sampullman> maybe?
Oct 21 00:49:45 <SrPx> Hold on
Oct 21 00:50:07 <SpeedEvil> PIC?
Oct 21 00:50:17 <sampullman> eh?
Oct 21 00:51:37 <SrPx> I don't know how to take a screenshot from the android, but this is my phone: http://www.justlia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/motorola-milestone2-aberto.jpg I'm talking about that button with 4 squares, one shaded. It always shows a menu, every application I have has some useful things on that menu.
Oct 21 00:51:41 <SrPx> I thought it was a default thing
Oct 21 00:52:03 <SrPx> Wheter it is I just need a place where my user will type a password, an user, and the app will store it... what do I need?
Oct 21 00:52:12 <SrPx> a button that will launch another activity?
Oct 21 00:54:18 <SrPx> Nothing?
Oct 21 00:54:51 <SrPx> That button on the right side of the image... 4 squares, one filled in... c'mon?
Oct 21 00:58:38 <codebutler> SrPx: that's the menu button.
Oct 21 00:58:54 <Jug6ernaut> anyone got a note2?
Oct 21 00:59:50 <SrPx> codebutler: so when I click it I can see a 'settings' button. When I click it nothing happens. What is going on? Any idea?
Oct 21 01:00:18 <codebutler> you'll have to post your code (use pastie.org or similar)
Oct 21 01:01:03 <SrPx> I have created a new file, called it Preferences.java, paste a preference class... http://pastebin.com/ZjEpBuva this one... codebutler
Oct 21 01:02:01 <SrPx> That's all I've done. I'm completely clueless.
Oct 21 01:02:15 <sampullman> what are you trying to do?
Oct 21 01:02:38 <sampullman> if you want a button to do something, you have to set an onClickLisetener
Oct 21 01:03:24 <SrPx> I'm just trying to create a screen with 2 text boxes that a user will fill, and a button that will do stuff to that text box. And I want that screen to be accessed from that 'menu' button.
Oct 21 01:03:53 <codebutler> the menu button is for displaying a menu, not loading up some other activity
Oct 21 01:03:56 <SrPx> I can do the screen but how do I display it after the user clicks 'Menu > Settings'?
Oct 21 01:04:11 <SrPx> ... codebutler !
Oct 21 01:04:20 <sampullman> SrPx: you are asking us to write your app
Oct 21 01:04:34 <sampullman> there are many steps between where you are and where you want to be
Oct 21 01:04:57 <codebutler> SrPx: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+options+menu
Oct 21 01:05:16 * SrPx sighs
Oct 21 01:05:18 <SrPx> no, no.
Oct 21 01:07:12 <SrPx> Okay, listen. I just need an answer to those questions: what is called the 'screen' that displays options, that is common to almost every app, that is displayed when someone clicks the Menu button, and then Settings? Is it an activity? How do I make that activity appear when I click 'Settings' on the Menu?
Oct 21 01:07:30 <SrPx> That's all I need to know, okay? I've been searching a lot for this
Oct 21 01:07:34 <SrPx> :/
Oct 21 01:07:42 <sampullman> onCreateOptionsMenu
Oct 21 01:07:56 <sampullman> or onPrepareOptionsMenu
Oct 21 01:08:07 <doogan> i thnk you're looking for 'Preferences'
Oct 21 01:08:25 <doogan> or 'Settings' as you say
Oct 21 01:08:26 <doogan> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html
Oct 21 01:08:36 <doogan> crazy, i know
Oct 21 01:09:10 <sampullman> he's asking how to get to the PreferenceActivity
Oct 21 01:09:23 <Striker121> Anyone familiar with bluetooth stuff?
Oct 21 01:09:33 <Striker121> Particularly, what's the difference between UUID and MAC address.
Oct 21 01:09:56 <Striker121> (App Inventor had me connect to things via MAC which was easy because connection info SHOWS the MAC address.)
Oct 21 01:10:11 <sampullman> onCreateOptionsMenu is called when the menu button is pressed, onOptionsItemSelected is called when you click "settings", and that's where you have startActivity(new Intent(context, MyPrefs.class))
Oct 21 01:10:21 <sampullman> SrPx: that's your answer
Oct 21 01:12:27 <SrPx> sampullman: that's my answer, thank you very much...
Oct 21 01:13:10 <SrPx> sampullman: is there a function that will display a log on the console so I can test things better?
Oct 21 01:13:28 <sampullman> ok, that's enough. you need to read the docs.
Oct 21 01:13:29 <sampullman> badly
Oct 21 01:13:45 <sampullman> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Log.html
Oct 21 01:13:59 <doogan> it's called Log ?!?!?
Oct 21 01:15:04 <SrPx> sampullman: how do I even read it? That's what I'm asking since I came here, for a good place to learn it
Oct 21 01:15:18 <sampullman> no, google is a good place to learn these things
Oct 21 01:15:43 <sampullman> im not going to spoonfeed you any more answers that 10 seconds on google can give you
Oct 21 01:17:30 <SrPx> It's very simple to google for something you already know the names and terms
Oct 21 01:17:39 <sampullman> which you do
Oct 21 01:17:43 <doogan> lol
Oct 21 01:17:50 <sampullman> google: how to i read android logs
Oct 21 01:17:56 <sampullman> it will be the first result
Oct 21 01:18:05 <sampullman> *how do i...
Oct 21 01:18:24 <SrPx> You have no idea of the amount of time I'm spending reading things that have nothing to do with what I want today
Oct 21 01:18:36 <SrPx> indeed that's all I'm doing all day
Oct 21 01:18:39 <doogan> and who's fault is that?
Oct 21 01:19:07 <SrPx> Nobody but sampullman is wrong to say I'm not googling enough before asking here... there are just too many things
Oct 21 01:19:12 <sampullman> everyone who's ever learned anything has gone through what you're going through
Oct 21 01:19:30 <SrPx> not complaining just saying that you are mistaking me as a lazy asker, that is not the case, really
Oct 21 01:20:10 <sampullman> did it really not occur to you to google "how to i read android logs" ?
Oct 21 01:20:57 <SrPx> sampullman: that one question I did not google but I asked because I was already here talking to you...
Oct 21 01:21:11 <SrPx> everything else, settings, menu, configuration, I've googled a lot and got lots of unrelated things
Oct 21 01:21:45 <doogan> just take a deep breath
Oct 21 01:21:50 <doogan> and buckle up for the ride
Oct 21 01:21:56 <doogan> there'll be tons of things to google, constatntly
Oct 21 01:22:00 <doogan> and it can be overwhelming
Oct 21 01:22:25 <doogan> but you stick w/ it and it all comes together more and more
Oct 21 01:23:16 <sampullman> coffee helps
Oct 21 01:23:22 <SrPx> yes, everything is new and huge, even the editor eclipse I'm not used to, I have to stop to google fundamental things such as 'how to display line numbers', and on the beginning I was googling the name of each class so I could import them from the right place, not being aware of ctrl+shift+o
Oct 21 01:23:31 <SrPx> I would have never guessed that
Oct 21 01:25:02 <mrenouf> hack hack hack
Oct 21 01:25:19 <mrenouf> any interesting hacks underway tonight?
Oct 21 01:26:54 <p_l> mrenouf: nothing android related, unfortunately
Oct 21 01:27:24 <mrenouf> I thought of a simple improvement to a library I use, gonna give it a try
Oct 21 01:27:36 <mrenouf> though I bet it wont be simple
Oct 21 01:29:50 <SrPx> So sorry if this is easy to google, but I do not find it so easy. When I read a tutorial, someone often says "@Override public boolean onCreateOptionsMenu(Menu menu)" and similar. He means overriding that method on the current activity class? Is that it? The activity class has a lot of those overridable things?
Oct 21 01:30:38 <Striker121> One sec
Oct 21 01:30:54 <Striker121> You see how the main method inherits from something else?
Oct 21 01:30:55 <mrenouf> yes, they are called methods
Oct 21 01:31:15 <SrPx> Yes MainActivity extends Activity...
Oct 21 01:31:16 <Striker121> When it inherists something it sometimes wants to change some of the methods it inherited, that's called over-riding
Oct 21 01:31:25 <Striker121> Extends rather, sorry.
Oct 21 01:32:08 <mrenouf> you make a new method with the exact same name and parameters (called "method signature"), and it replaces the original as the default code that runs
Oct 21 01:32:28 <mrenouf> the old one is still there, but you have to refer to it specifically as super.method()
Oct 21 01:33:02 <mrenouf> in android, most of the built in methods of Activity require you to still call the original method so the original code still runs
Oct 21 01:33:13 <SrPx> wait.
Oct 21 01:33:24 <Striker121> SrPx...Java 101
Oct 21 01:33:32 <SrPx> I know that, thank you really
Oct 21 01:33:47 <Striker121> Just saying, if you're in a school settings, totally take it.
Oct 21 01:33:52 <SrPx> The part I missed was the fact pretty much everything was a method of that Main class
Oct 21 01:34:27 <SrPx> I've found a list of those methods, many things became more clear now
Oct 21 01:34:46 <mrenouf> yes, the android framework calls in through those, that drives most of the app
Oct 21 01:35:05 <mrenouf> read up on the activity lifecycle
Oct 21 01:36:03 <SrPx> there's even an onKeyDown
Oct 21 01:50:05 <SrPx> That really helped a lot thank you guys.
Oct 21 02:00:41 <elb0w> Is there a good place to post android jobs?
Oct 21 02:01:08 <elb0w> have two placements I need to fill in nyc for android mobile. Just trying to find the right place
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