**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 27 03:00:02 2012 Oct 27 03:20:53 mrenouf: going to do any mobile web dev ? Oct 27 03:26:28 meh that was a slow episode Oct 27 03:27:25 g00s, not big fan of it. really, its like living in the past. all kinds of crazy hacks Oct 27 03:27:50 I mean, people whine about android fragmentation? geez. Oct 27 03:28:09 but I mean need to, we'll se Oct 27 03:28:11 *see Oct 27 03:28:17 *may need to Oct 27 03:28:25 yeah, all those different android web browsers :) Oct 27 03:29:13 huh? No, I mean web dev in general. so yeah what you end up doing is building three very different web apps. Desktop, Tablet, Phone Oct 27 03:29:37 oh, yeah - sounds like the 'responsive web design' thing Oct 27 03:29:54 And then it's like what's the point? did you really save any effort? And the result is just slow and underpowered compared to a native solution Oct 27 03:30:25 Desktop web, iPhone/iPad, Android Oct 27 03:31:12 And you do minimal effort to make the web apps at least usable on small devices for people with Windows phones or whatever Oct 27 03:35:30 peachpit is offering 35% off one, 45% off two ebooks for halloween. i thought mobile usability was good so far Oct 27 04:13:24 howdy Oct 27 04:16:04 hmm mrenouf just reading your thoughts about mobile web Oct 27 04:18:48 well it's probably not well rounded. it's from the point of view of happy android user who hates it when someone says, yeah we didnt bother to do an Android app, we have this really nice mobile web app instead. Oct 27 04:19:08 hah, yeah Oct 27 04:19:13 It's almost always something I won't use because I barely use the browser Oct 27 04:19:18 just depends on the app and the brand i suppose Oct 27 04:19:35 They cant even create a launcher icon Oct 27 04:20:07 if i was gonna go all web-app, i would at least take the effort to shoehorn it into phonegap or somethin Oct 27 04:20:17 true. some things are silly. like news apps that are like... hey, try our app for FooNews.com. No, im not installing an app just to read articles from *your* website Oct 27 04:20:35 the problem with 'mobile webapps' is that there are differences in the behavior of various webkit versions. Oct 27 04:20:41 a whole new vector for bugs. Oct 27 04:21:01 yeah it goes back to browser compatibility at that point Oct 27 04:21:09 Can phonegap target multiple platforms? Oct 27 04:21:12 it's not at all fun to debug phonegap Oct 27 04:21:15 it's a pita Oct 27 04:21:25 like iOS, etc? Oct 27 04:21:28 yeah thats more or less the point, cross platform Oct 27 04:21:34 aah ok. Oct 27 04:21:52 but then it's all "runs all all platforms, looks native on none of them" Oct 27 04:21:54 i think they support 7 currently.. android, ios, blackberry, windowsp hone, brew, hmm Oct 27 04:21:59 It's the Swing dilemma. Oct 27 04:22:02 yeah Oct 27 04:22:09 but, well. there are a couple of points to that Oct 27 04:22:16 too bad only two of the platforms even matter Oct 27 04:22:21 1. how many native android apps look like native android apps? i mean, heh Oct 27 04:22:22 lol Oct 27 04:22:39 Um. Most of the good ones that I bother using. Oct 27 04:22:47 and 2. there are webapp ui libraries that will (i think) mimic native look n feel if it can detect the device Oct 27 04:22:55 it's more than just look and feel. use a few obile webapps that have 'listviews' in them. no implementation is as solid as a nice native listview. Oct 27 04:23:20 sure, they mimic alright. and then they're slow as balls on any device that doesn't have 8 cpus. Oct 27 04:23:28 yes, try flinging a list in a webapp and getting smooth results Oct 27 04:23:34 i mean other than acton bar/menu, a lot of android apps could look the exact same on any platform.. Oct 27 04:23:47 hey i'm not here to evangalize webapps Oct 27 04:23:52 i'm just playing a little devils advocate Oct 27 04:23:59 look != feel Oct 27 04:24:10 i think they are the right solution for some circumstances Oct 27 04:24:16 I've seen very pretty apps built with Adobe Air. They're still crap. Oct 27 04:24:52 one of the principles of NUIs is content is the interface; the more you go in that direction, the less chrome you have and yeah - applying universal design principles everything starts to look the same Oct 27 04:24:55 i could care less about look as long as it isn't painful to look at, with many apps, and operates well Oct 27 04:25:20 papajohn's mobile webapp for ordering pizza is breezy, and i don't want a papajohns native app on my phone Oct 27 04:25:45 yes, but when I run an "app" and its just a wrapped webapp, and it's got that awful iOS pattern of a back button up on the top left. eww. Oct 27 04:25:53 uninstalllllll Oct 27 04:25:53 of course each platform has standards for typography, spacing, touch target size, etc Oct 27 04:26:23 speakingcode, yeah it's decent. Oct 27 04:26:49 it just depends what it is and all. a documenting editing webapp on my phone would probably be horrible Oct 27 04:26:57 hmm, anyone know why Chrome (desktop) wants me to sign in to install /certain/ extensions ? Oct 27 04:27:10 like Readium, no idea why Oct 27 04:27:29 maybe they depend on it for syncing or something? don't know much anything about chrome extension development Oct 27 04:27:42 yeah, me neither Oct 27 04:28:15 a mobile webapp is a good alternative to people slamming in to your website that's designed for laptops and desktops in their mobile browser. Oct 27 04:28:15 i rarely use browser extensions so i've not really cared about how they work Oct 27 04:28:21 but it's not a good alternative to a native app. Oct 27 04:28:26 bought all these snacks and caffeinated beverages for a hackathon tomorrow, but there's not gonna be much left by then :-( Oct 27 04:28:41 where's the hackathon mrenouf Oct 27 04:29:00 it's just a small thing with some friends. combo old school lan party + hackathon Oct 27 04:29:06 ah ok Oct 27 04:29:12 not a contest/conference thing Oct 27 04:29:30 nothing like that. I dont really like that environment, it's gotten too crazy Oct 27 04:29:59 guess it depends on the place and participants. Oct 27 04:30:26 used to have this group in my city that did some epic lan parties back in the day, reached ~250 attendance Oct 27 04:30:35 the people that win those things are those who can make an app idea look like it actually works, and cut every corner possible. Oct 27 04:30:43 yeah Oct 27 04:31:02 I've seen just layouts win some prizes (as in the app actually didn't do anything yet) Oct 27 04:31:16 sad Oct 27 04:31:19 cause they sold it on business plan alone and really talked it up. Oct 27 04:31:26 that's not hacking :( Oct 27 04:31:31 in all fairness they have good ideas and given a week or two would have a solid start Oct 27 04:31:34 that's design. they should have a designathon instead. Oct 27 04:31:36 thats what I mean Oct 27 04:31:37 eyah i did one a few months back, a startup hackathon, the three winners wrote 0 code... just worked on presentation and businness model, was kinda wtf Oct 27 04:31:53 yep, so less pressure more technical Oct 27 04:32:10 my style Oct 27 04:32:12 speakingcode: :( Oct 27 04:32:20 i never want to go to one of these hackathons now Oct 27 04:32:27 eh they aren't all like that Oct 27 04:32:43 I'll go if I know it's actually going to be about coding. Design is fine too, but your app should at least do something. Oct 27 04:32:49 they're not all like that. but really, if you're expecting to complete an app start to finish in 24hrs you're not going to amaze anyone. Oct 27 04:32:55 it was just stupid judges, old farts all business no tech, and it _was_ a "startup" hackathon afterall... still a bit disappointing but lots of fun, good networking, etc Oct 27 04:33:18 oh, and because of the time crunch almost nobody wants to write actual android apps. they toss some fancy CSS into phonegap and call it done. Oct 27 04:33:37 and again, thats perfectly valid for prototyping. just not what I like doing. Oct 27 04:33:38 i did one that was a charity hackathon not long ago, no contest just had 1 weekend to get shit up and working for vrious nonprofits & charities - that one was epic Oct 27 04:33:41 mrenouf: I disaree, you can complete an app start to finish and have it nice and smooth in 24 hours. There's just one catch: You have to have a shit ton of reusable code perfect for your idea ready to go. Oct 27 04:33:53 You have to have all the ideas figured out before you start, too Oct 27 04:33:54 tdignan, yes! Oct 27 04:33:59 right. yep. Oct 27 04:34:09 yeah if yo have the idea and code like ninja you can do it Oct 27 04:34:33 gotta know the libs and API's... usually it's mashups and webservice consumers that take the prize at these things for that very reason Oct 27 04:34:34 but ones I was at I could not convince anyone else to do it that way Oct 27 04:34:43 yep Oct 27 04:34:54 but been to a few that were mobile app-specific. Oct 27 04:35:24 i've seen some good stuff come out of them... one guy in here a few weeks back was at one in Amsterdam n made some cannabis-shop finder Oct 27 04:35:34 logically. Oct 27 04:35:57 i think people cheat a lot too Oct 27 04:35:59 stereotypes i mean. they exist for a reason. Oct 27 04:36:04 spend weeks getting code base ready Oct 27 04:36:12 then just glue it up w/ designer at the event Oct 27 04:37:20 I dont enjoy trying to function in that environment anymore, but I do like to go and play consultant for several teams and be a general resource for android stuff. Oct 27 04:37:38 so thats why I go occasionally. Oct 27 04:37:57 AT&T has been doing a bunch of stuff around here, and I think theres one this weekend, but no going. Oct 27 04:38:25 nope, sorry it's 11/19 - http://mobileappbos.eventbrite.com/ Oct 27 04:38:50 a couple coming up in my city Oct 27 04:38:58 one microsoft is sponsoring and i think it's win8 focused Oct 27 04:39:10 mrenouf: bos? that's where I am. Oct 27 04:39:28 lol, was gonna say, it tends to also be a heavy "Use our platform/api/framework" pitch session with a lot of marketing. Oct 27 04:39:35 another is at this new conference for startups i'm pretty excited about Oct 27 04:39:52 tdignan, greetz. Attend BostonAndroid or similar meetups? Oct 27 04:39:59 I went to one boston android Oct 27 04:40:04 did it start back up? Oct 27 04:40:13 a little Oct 27 04:40:20 mrenouf yup but i'm startign a big win8 project at work so it will be good exp and some good prizes Oct 27 04:40:34 I could probably go to that hackathon. I like the ticket price. Oct 27 04:40:37 changing the name of the style from "AppTheme" to something else changes the theme of the entire app to something else! Just renaming and updating it in the manifest I mean. Really weird. Oct 27 04:40:45 I helped start the Boston GTUG, which is now GDG Boston (google developer groups). And they've been copromoting with Boston Android a bit. Oct 27 04:40:53 and good networking.. i think the networking (& sometimes the food) are the best value adds at these things Oct 27 04:41:15 tdignan, hey, free food at the least. Oct 27 04:41:41 napster probably because the name in the manifest is a reference IIRC Oct 27 04:41:51 The ones put on by Boston.com at Startup Challenge were swank. Breakfast lunch and dinner, free sodas, snacks all day. Oct 27 04:42:00 you would need to change the name in the style resoruce where it's actually defined as well Oct 27 04:42:06 oi Oct 27 04:42:45 mrenouf: doh -- that hackathon was last year Oct 27 04:43:00 at one 5hr energy showed up with cases of that stuff. it was -- dangerous. Oct 27 04:43:21 yeah there was a 48 hour luanch (not a hackathon) a couple weeks ago here and they had beer Oct 27 04:43:21 I think I tried a 5hr energy once. I'd never again. Tastes dispicable. Oct 27 04:43:31 i found out it had beer and went just for that reason Oct 27 04:43:33 it is truly awful, but works. Oct 27 04:43:40 they work, but taste like ass Oct 27 04:43:43 I dont get it Oct 27 04:43:56 I am sure they could have made it taste like nothing Oct 27 04:43:59 they work too good... shit doesn't help me focues just makes me a zombie for the night Oct 27 04:44:09 Once I had caffeine pills in 8th grade and threw up. I try to stick to coffee and less aggressive forms of consumption. Oct 27 04:44:29 * mrenouf sips a Bawls Oct 27 04:44:35 it works best if you have it gradually Oct 27 04:44:37 screw that i'm not into sleeplesness anymore Oct 27 04:44:48 the thing is, none of this stuff really helps me anymore, but I still crave it. total sham. Oct 27 04:45:00 that's called physical dependency mrenouf Oct 27 04:45:00 it's not about sleepless for me, it's about night time. I don't mind sleeping during the day at all. Oct 27 04:45:07 i hate daytime Oct 27 04:45:09 nighttime rules Oct 27 04:45:19 i'm nocturnal buti don't need caffience to be that way Oct 27 04:45:22 speakingcode: But actually it refers to the style defined in the style.xml Oct 27 04:45:40 well, there are exceptions. I light daytime if I can be somewhere awesome, like on a mountain. Oct 27 04:45:42 oh people are asking real android questions, sorry! Oct 27 04:45:51 I just renamed and the app widgets are themed like 2.3.3 Oct 27 04:46:03 napster well... either it referred to it before or after changing it, but changing the reference is expected to change the outcome Oct 27 04:46:04 like* Oct 27 04:46:16 ok speakingcode Oct 27 04:46:55 so you're saying when you changed it to reference what you have defined n style.xml, it doesn't look like what is defined in style.xml? Oct 27 04:47:08 i thought the ms wowzapp hackathons are a good idea; there were a bunch of them all over the world … and they have experts on hand to answer dev questions Oct 27 04:47:36 not sure the one here is directly a part of that or not Oct 27 04:47:40 speakingcode: http://www.microsoft.com/student/en-us/wowzapp/default.aspx Oct 27 04:48:06 ms has been aggressive as hell with all of this Oct 27 04:48:16 do they have a choice? Oct 27 04:48:25 good question Oct 27 04:48:36 there is an annual indie fest here, called indiefest.. it's traditionally been focused on local film and maybe some music to, but they are trying to expand and be more like SXSW i guess this year, and m$ somehow became the sponsor of the tech track Oct 27 04:48:59 "somehow" heh Oct 27 04:49:05 well, yeah Oct 27 04:49:18 developers, developers, developers :) Oct 27 04:49:19 Though I was at local computer center today and they said they've been selling lots of Win8, I (jokingly) said rest up, the returns will be coming in a few days. Oct 27 04:49:31 "I can't find the start menu" Oct 27 04:49:44 but I give them credit for being bold Oct 27 04:49:55 apparently they did a bad job of differentiating what the RT version meant Oct 27 04:49:56 well, a lot of people are gonnab e upset solely because they don't understand the "winrt only" version Oct 27 04:50:28 They're the only real competitor to Mac/OSX and honestly, I'm less scared of them these days than Apple. Oct 27 04:50:31 the marketing doesn't make it clear that there's no running "classic" applications (or alternate browsers!) on that version, which is the version on surface (not surface pro) and arm devices Oct 27 04:51:05 from a dev perspective i gotta say they've done an awesome job with the metro/RT deal Oct 27 04:51:07 No I think she was talking about copies of Win8 desktop. Oct 27 04:51:34 speakingcode: i know a lot of devs that are excited; anecdotal i know Oct 27 04:51:34 which think launched thursday Oct 27 04:51:40 the metro UI is cool but could use work and i think the weakest part is by far the lack of seamlessness between metro and desktop "mode" Oct 27 04:52:20 there will be fuck ups, i'm interested in the potential though Oct 27 04:52:26 i think it all has a lot of potential Oct 27 04:52:26 but the WinRT sdk is really nice, the langauge support is phenomenal, visual studio and Blend are really nice... and i'm typically a m$ hater Oct 27 04:52:58 best of all, as far as I know Microsoft is creating new ideas and not suing to protect old stuff. Oct 27 04:53:19 they were smart to wait in the mobile/touch-centric space and address the common concerns from a user and dev perspective Oct 27 04:53:37 and they are getting a little softer to opensource Oct 27 04:53:52 speakingcode, wait? you forget about Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6, etc etc? Oct 27 04:53:53 the theoretical foundation for their design language has mostly been written about here http://www.amazon.com/Brave-NUI-World-Designing-Interfaces/dp/0123822319 … its an excellent book. i think they get it Oct 27 04:54:30 hmm, might check that out Oct 27 04:55:23 it's easy to hate the giant but m$ is such a big force you can't ignore them.. at the very least i woud say they are making a real effort to not be so shitty Oct 27 04:55:34 aha: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Brave+NUI+World&c=books Oct 27 04:56:00 i've never tried an ebook from play Oct 27 04:56:19 wonder how good the conversions are Oct 27 04:56:37 oh, try out with the free books that are available. I like the feel of the reader. Oct 27 04:56:47 cool Oct 27 04:56:48 although the whole UEFI secure bit issue is sketchy as hell Oct 27 04:56:56 i just like all my stuff in one place Oct 27 04:57:04 and cross-synced, etc Oct 27 04:57:25 i just bought like 80 books today from the local library for $65 Oct 27 04:57:51 And most of those probably arent even available in ebook. Oct 27 04:58:06 even if they were Oct 27 04:58:13 what the.... "Rent from $12.54" Oct 27 04:58:23 On Amazon... you cant *rent* an eBook??? Oct 27 04:58:34 that hurts my brain Oct 27 04:59:03 if you could id expect it to be under $1 a month Oct 27 04:59:24 man that's lik the ebooks for college man, that pissed me off so bad. whole point of digital is "free" print & distribution. but a textbook that's like $85 would be $65+ for the ebook version that only works for one or two semesters, ahhhh Oct 27 04:59:28 and it's pro-rated for rental duration, you can start at 3 weeks and it goes up a dollar a week Oct 27 04:59:32 man that's wierd Oct 27 04:59:36 who would do that Oct 27 04:59:56 sounds like a ripoff Oct 27 04:59:58 people who... don't like having the money they get? Oct 27 05:00:37 I can rent it until April 11th and save 2 cents. lol Oct 27 05:00:53 i cut all e-expenses from my budget for the time being Oct 27 05:01:04 i used to have like 100-200 bucks a month just sucked out of my bank account by the internet. Oct 27 05:01:19 porn is expensive Oct 27 05:01:27 redtube.com Oct 27 05:01:35 *good porn is expensive. Oct 27 05:01:54 i'm not gonna promote anything illicit but, it is the internet, so... Oct 27 05:02:07 yeaaah. aaaanyways. Oct 27 05:02:25 porn is basically free these days. money is for live webcam smuts nowadays Oct 27 05:02:32 k anyway way off topic Oct 27 05:03:10 what do they call that, "freemium" model Oct 27 05:03:56 Freemium is just another name for cripple-ware Oct 27 05:04:17 a better name though Oct 27 05:05:58 "Don't underestimate the power of the handicapped!" Oct 27 05:08:04 always cracks me up when someone chimes in out of the blue on here Oct 27 05:08:17 sitting back lurking for hours, waiting for the time to strike Oct 27 05:14:26 looks like it's time to finally play with SQlite Oct 27 05:15:45 Hey guys, trying to onCreate my Activity back into life. My activity is the typical MasterDetail template with a distinction. I have many "master" fragments I swap in and out to traverse a hierarchical data structure. Oct 27 05:16:28 When I oncreate after a rotation, I'm not having a lot of success managing the backstack properly. I'm getting really strange results when pressing the back button (looks like fragments drawing on top of other fragments) Oct 27 05:16:32 Any tips for doing this? Oct 27 05:16:59 you using fragment replace Oct 27 05:17:02 1 sec Oct 27 05:17:10 Yeah, I'm using fragment replace. Oct 27 05:17:19 don't re-attach fragments if they already exist Oct 27 05:17:50 JakeWharton: I thought on rotation, everything was totally destroyed. Oct 27 05:18:06 it is, but the fragment manager will re-attach them automatically Oct 27 05:18:19 Oh really? Oct 27 05:18:29 yes Oct 27 05:18:50 So.. Ok. I'm a little confused. Since all my fragments are kept in member variables, and those are all null. Oct 27 05:18:59 Should I just be querying the fragment manager to retrieve them or? Oct 27 05:19:10 All null after rotation* Oct 27 05:19:22 correct Oct 27 05:19:27 Who knew. Oct 27 05:19:27 find it by tag Oct 27 05:19:33 The backstack will also be preserved then? Oct 27 05:19:37 yes Oct 27 05:19:45 Curse you fragment manager for automating things. Oct 27 05:20:21 JakeWharton: One more question, the objects themselves (the distinct class I've created) will come out of the FragmentManager? Oct 27 05:20:34 So I can cast and store it back in the member vars? Oct 27 05:21:48 correct, so long as they have unique tags Oct 27 05:21:57 Nice. Oct 27 05:21:59 Thanks. Oct 27 05:29:23 wow someone just stalked me from stack overflow... i'm ... honored Oct 27 05:34:05 aargh fragments + tabhost + viewpager has been driving me nuts for two days now Oct 27 05:34:45 i had fun with tabhost on 2.x, haven't touched since :-D Oct 27 05:35:27 I have two tabs when the button on tab b is pressed I want to update the view of tab a. Is that so much to ask for? Oct 27 05:45:36 hmm Oct 27 05:46:04 jaldhar each tab shows a sifferent fragment? and you want the button in fragment b to update the view of fragment a? Oct 27 05:48:21 speakingcode: yes. But when I switch tabs, getResources() blows up because the new tab is not attached yet (? getActivity() is null in any case.) Oct 27 05:50:41 ah Oct 27 06:14:01 3~that's awfully vague Oct 27 06:14:06 abhi9 * Oct 27 06:14:39 do you mean file structure/format, end-to-end arhcitecture of the communication, something else maybe? Oct 27 06:15:03 wait wth i'm getting messages from another channel lol Oct 27 06:50:06 Hey guys Oct 27 06:51:34 how is your Java? Oct 27 06:52:44 Me ?? Oct 27 06:53:54 I wanna start deving Oct 27 06:54:00 But don't know from where Oct 27 06:54:09 To start Oct 27 06:54:10 do you know Java? Oct 27 06:54:15 do you know how to program at all? Oct 27 06:54:19 No Oct 27 06:54:25 No Oct 27 06:54:48 That's why I'm asking where should I start from ?? Oct 27 06:54:54 are you prepared for a genuine learning curve? Oct 27 06:55:23 Sure Oct 27 06:56:45 http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkapjava/ might be somewhere to start Oct 27 07:05:06 Does android depend a lot on java Oct 27 07:05:08 ?? Oct 27 07:09:44 MrMafioso, you got that right Oct 27 07:10:10 I don't know Oct 27 07:29:33 Hey dudes, got a spanned object with some text and an image, is it possible to get that imageView (or whatever it is) Oct 27 07:30:48 anyone have any experience with Spanned? the docs are very lacking Oct 27 07:35:17 help? :/ Oct 27 07:41:20 is there a way to run through all my view object? and look for a specific one? Oct 27 07:42:02 hi guys Oct 27 07:47:38 or maybe finding the imageView by the drawable.hashcode() ? Oct 27 07:55:27 Your spanned does not contain an imageview Oct 27 08:02:38 SimonVT: yep, figured it out, but it contains ImageSpan Oct 27 08:03:11 SimonVT: is there a way to get to the image and set it's background to an animation-list ? Oct 27 08:03:21 No idea Oct 27 08:03:24 :/ Oct 27 08:07:26 SimonVT: any idea where can i look at ImageSpan source code online? Oct 27 08:09:00 found it, nm Oct 27 08:09:50 It's in the sdk if you downloaded the source Oct 27 08:26:54 is there a way to make an object think it needs to be redrawed? Oct 27 08:51:13 What's the prefered pastebin for this channel? Oct 27 08:51:31 pastebin.com is fine Oct 27 08:52:12 or gist :) Oct 27 08:53:59 http://pastebin.com/xupnjY4t line 19: The method onClick(Viw) must override a superclass method. Why do I get this error? Oct 27 08:54:07 Viw/View Oct 27 08:55:26 I think I'm missing an import or something silly. Oct 27 08:55:36 hmm, it's possible to create a view inside a view right? to put an imageView inside a EditText in my case Oct 27 08:56:37 no, it isn't Oct 27 08:57:24 socket: views go in layouts Oct 27 08:57:36 trytrytry: what java version that you use? Oct 27 08:58:02 Leeds: i see, so i have to extend EditText and draw a bitmap ? Oct 27 08:58:05 my bet it is 1.5; you should change it to 1.6 Oct 27 08:58:22 socket: no, you probably want to put them both inside a layout Oct 27 08:58:25 jdk is 1.7, jre is 7 Oct 27 08:59:13 Leeds: im trying to create a custom cursor for the editText Oct 27 09:00:01 oh, that's an unusual thing to do... Oct 27 09:00:45 i know :/ wasted 2 days on trying to do that Oct 27 09:02:39 Leeds: any suggestions on how to accomplish that? Oct 27 09:02:45 nope Oct 27 09:03:38 it is only happen with me when i tried compile with 1.5 java; your code looks good Oct 27 09:04:02 Yeah I know, it's straight from the book. So strange Oct 27 09:04:31 take a look again on your project settings :) Oct 27 09:04:31 Your compiler compliance is set to 1.5 in your project settings Oct 27 09:04:33 or ide settings Oct 27 09:04:37 Go change that to 1.6 Oct 27 09:06:11 ixc: I'd probably look at these: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html#textSelectHandle Oct 27 09:06:20 Wait, wrong person Oct 27 09:06:24 socket: ^ Oct 27 09:06:39 :) Oct 27 09:06:50 https://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html#textCursorDrawable Oct 27 09:06:51 Maybe this Oct 27 09:08:19 Hi, does anyone have any preferences on Eclipse version to be used for Android only developement? Oct 27 09:08:24 thanks SimonVT Oct 27 09:09:21 I've changed it to 1.6 and it works. 1.7 doesn't work too btw. What exactly am I changing here and why won't it work on 1.5 and 1.7? :) Oct 27 09:10:04 I have run many examples before and this is the first time I encountered this error (all other examples were prolly at 1.5). Oct 27 09:10:38 And most of the examples used onClick. Oct 27 09:12:34 anyone else having issues with sms notification sounds getting cut off ? Oct 27 09:15:11 anyone know any good 'friend discovery' algorithms Oct 27 09:15:33 I'm making a a game, and "telling the IP to each other" seems a bit 90's Oct 27 09:16:26 belgianguy, using social accounts (twitter, facebook) with alternative of sending a link over email is probably the best way Oct 27 09:17:26 Mavrik: thanks! ah, yeah, could do that Oct 27 09:17:55 and can an application be associated with certain links? Oct 27 09:18:06 or is that a security no-no? Oct 27 09:18:29 it can be :) Oct 27 09:20:32 I wonder how Viber (et al) do it, they seem to be able to scan your contact list and tell you who else has it Oct 27 09:20:44 but they must match it against a server somehow Oct 27 09:51:39 You can make a link in the format of mygame://id which would get passed to your program Oct 27 11:07:11 Hi everybody. I would like to rotate the icon of an ActionBar item, but I get a NullPointerException when calling setActionView()... all the stuff for pre-honeycomb devices works, but on the normal actionbar it crashes: http://pastebin.com/E01rCmhQ Anybody an idea? Oct 27 11:12:11 hello all Oct 27 11:12:55 I am just started to learn android programming, can I ask questions here ? Oct 27 11:15:22 you can ask... Oct 27 11:16:45 Leeds: thanks Oct 27 11:17:38 I am kinda confused with the intro tutorials and books. On android dev official page, the gui is kinda created in XML, on the other hand in many books I got they create views in the code Oct 27 11:17:45 I kinda understand both Oct 27 11:18:12 but confusion comes when calling setContentView Oct 27 11:18:41 so I tried some basic buttons and edittexts and called setContentView(R.layout.activity_main); Oct 27 11:19:03 then tried to mix it up with btn = new Button(this); Oct 27 11:19:13 and the button created this way was not visible Oct 27 11:20:02 what is the correct setContentView call? How can I do basic layout in XML and then add Views programatically so they can be seen, or they are put in that layout ? Oct 27 11:33:47 KaiSVK: guess nobody fancies helping right now... Oct 27 11:34:11 static stuff goes in the XML... if you want to add stuff later, you need to attach it to the layout Oct 27 11:34:37 Ugh Oct 27 11:35:01 Lint is being bad and not noticing my if version>=needed_version over stuff that need a newer version Oct 27 11:35:18 And being all ERROR LOL YOU CANT USE THAT WITH SMALL TARGET VERSION Oct 27 11:35:29 or minimum version Oct 27 11:37:45 Anybody an idea on my ActionBar problem I posted a few minutes ago? Oct 27 11:40:37 evident, aren't you supposed to call setActionView on the menu itself? Oct 27 11:40:48 uuh Oct 27 11:40:49 no Oct 27 11:41:59 Not that I know... :) I've googled a lot and only found solutions for ActionBarSherlock... so I tried to adapt it... Do I correctly get the MenuItem? Or do I have to get it somehow different? Oct 27 11:44:06 You did not.. Get it in onCreateOptionsMenu by calling Menu#findItem Oct 27 11:44:39 SimonVT: ok you mean I should get it there and save it in the Activity and call it in the startRefreshAnimation()? Oct 27 11:47:27 Yes Oct 27 11:47:38 And MenuItem has methods for showing/hiding the actionview Oct 27 11:47:41 Use those as well Oct 27 11:47:55 ok thank you! Oct 27 11:54:23 SimonVT: ok it works if I call the animation function after saving the MenuItem in onCreateOptionsMenu() ... but I already start the load task in the onCreate, and there the onCreateOptionsMenu() has not been claled yet Oct 27 11:55:11 So set a flag or something.. check it in onCreateOptionsMenu Oct 27 11:56:38 what do you mean by flag? Oct 27 11:56:56 when exactly in the lifecycle is the onCreateOptionsMenu() called? Oct 27 11:57:33 private boolean mIsLoading; Oct 27 11:57:40 if (mIsLoading) menuItem.whatever() Oct 27 11:58:39 ahh ok I see... I'll try... thanks! Oct 27 12:08:32 SimonVT, Lint is being bad and not noticing my if version>=needed_version over stuff that need a newer version Oct 27 12:08:37 Should I suppress it? Oct 27 12:17:47 From how much objects should we use a CursorAdapter instead of an ArrayAdapter? Oct 27 12:18:24 i dont think you choose adapter type based on amount of data or objects Oct 27 12:19:33 CursorAdapter i think is meant for when the data source is SQLite database Oct 27 12:20:11 recommend news sites / blogs about android games, gaming, not development Oct 27 12:20:36 please Oct 27 12:20:47 this is android-dev, try #android for that Oct 27 12:21:18 oops Oct 27 12:21:37 -> Oct 27 12:27:37 hi! how can i get the grouposition and child position inside a button click function in a expandablelistview Oct 27 12:29:05 tech1: Ok, I see. I'll try with the CursorAdaptor ;) Oct 27 12:30:22 if you are using a SQLite database yes ^ Oct 27 12:31:01 or maybe another database too Oct 27 12:38:05 Yes, SQLite for my case but as I have only around 20 items I was not sure about the performances Oct 27 12:41:12 i think each adapter is optimized for a specific data source. so even if it was just 1 or 2 items the choice would still be the same Oct 27 12:43:07