**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:58 2012
Oct 30 03:07:35 <lindenle_> HI all my emulator is seg faulting in linux can someone help me the error is related to OpenGLES.
Oct 30 03:10:12 <phong_> hi guys
Oct 30 03:16:09 <DR01D-Engineer> lindenle are you using emulator or emulator-arm
Oct 30 03:16:13 <lasserix> is there a way to see if a fragment was retained with state?
Oct 30 03:16:39 <lasserix> or more generally, if I call finish and startactivity using getintent as the intent for the startactivity, this will cause everything to be re-initalized?
Oct 30 03:16:42 <DR01D-Engineer> i got segfault errors trying to run arm avds on emulator, you need emulator-arm in the sdk
Oct 30 03:18:42 <lasserix> Anyone else having a problem importing ABS 4.2 into Ecclipse?
Oct 30 03:19:34 <phong_> can nexus 7 be fake?
Oct 30 03:19:39 <phong_> i'm trying to buy it from craiglist
Oct 30 03:20:09 <DR01D-Engineer> anything can be fake on craigslist
Oct 30 03:21:08 <Leeds> phong_: you're *still* in the wrong channel for this sort of thing... this is a *developer* channel
Oct 30 03:21:21 <phong_> Leeds, i know, but someone may knew this
Oct 30 03:21:26 <phong_> i got no channel to go to
Oct 30 03:21:34 <Leeds> they may, and you can ask in #android - as you've done
Oct 30 03:21:36 <phong_> and i'm sorry, not that i didn't know
Oct 30 03:21:42 <Leeds> are you actually a developer?
Oct 30 03:21:51 <phong_> yeah..but not android
Oct 30 03:21:59 <phong_> i'm vb.net dev
Oct 30 03:22:01 <phong_> lol
Oct 30 03:22:08 <Leeds> cool, then #vb-dev might be a better channel for you
Oct 30 03:22:19 <phong_> they dont know about phone
Oct 30 03:22:33 <Leeds> seriously, this is not the right channel for you
Oct 30 03:22:39 <gutano> they don't know about anything, hayooo!
Oct 30 03:24:04 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> emulator and I hav nvidia card
Oct 30 03:25:37 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> http://pastie.org/5135758
Oct 30 03:26:09 <DR01D-Engineer> the emulator segfaults when you run your app?
Oct 30 03:26:20 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> segfaults on startup
Oct 30 03:26:25 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> no app
Oct 30 03:27:35 <DR01D-Engineer> when you create the avd, you choose a target -most are "arm", so you need to run the avd(after creating it) with the emulator-arm file in the sdk. the sdk's emulator file is only for x86
Oct 30 03:28:48 <DR01D-Engineer> so maybe you try "emulator-arm -avd avdname" instead of "emulator -avd avdname"
Oct 30 03:31:11 <DR01D-Engineer> since most avd targets are arm. i dont know why they didnt make that for "emulator" and then make emulator-x86 for x86 ones
Oct 30 03:31:58 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> ok
Oct 30 03:32:11 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> get an error about libOpenglRender.so
Oct 30 03:32:55 <DR01D-Engineer> not sure about opengl. i just remember that was why i got a segfault error
Oct 30 03:34:29 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> running emulator-x86 gets it up so that is something
Oct 30 03:34:49 <lindenle_> i chose arm,
Oct 30 03:35:41 <DR01D-Engineer> most avd targets are arm. but yeh use the right emulator for whatever one
Oct 30 03:35:51 <ron_frown> I dont know why they didnt just make it x86 from the get go
Oct 30 03:35:53 <ron_frown> lol
Oct 30 03:36:03 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> yeah I wanted to check out the acceleration....so slow without it
Oct 30 03:44:47 <g00s> hm, so 4.2 account switching is tablet only
Oct 30 03:46:21 <lindenle_> <DR01D-Engineer> so when it finds libOpenglRender.so it seg faults. If it does not find it it starts slow
Oct 30 03:46:27 <lut4rp> IMO it's fine. Phone account switching sounds rather weird.
Oct 30 03:46:34 <maslen> Does it make sense that OnPause is only being called when I revisit an already-running app, and then throws an exception because the reference to the service ( an instance variable of the class) is not set anymore ?
Oct 30 03:46:43 <g00s> lut4rp: yeah
Oct 30 03:47:34 <maslen> What's weird is that I only disconnect from the service in my onStop - so I think it should still have the reference
Oct 30 03:47:34 <lut4rp> Love the smooth curve of the Nexus 10, it looks so good
Oct 30 03:57:04 <g00s> hmm, its not as curvy as it looked the other day. maybe perspective. seems like an amazing tablet
Oct 30 04:06:17 <lasserix> How do I remove the vertical shadow divider on the action bar? I tried setting the background to null via themes but no luck
Oct 30 04:29:50 <jeppy> should i get the nexus 4 or wait to see what else comes out for the holidays?
Oct 30 04:30:44 <Leeds> I don't think there's going to be much coming which hasn't been announced by now
Oct 30 04:31:38 <QcMat_> except going from 8, 16 to 16, 32, does the nexus 7 change anything?
Oct 30 04:31:59 <Leeds> QcMat_: that and the 3G option, nothing else changed AFAIK
Oct 30 04:32:05 <QcMat_> ok cool
Oct 30 04:32:14 <QcMat_> I just bought one for dev, wanted to make sure I dont need to buy a new one
Oct 30 04:33:16 <Leeds> there was a comment by jbq at the time of the 4.1.2 release that there was a minor hardware rev which was newly supported in 4.1.2, but that it was functionally identical
Oct 30 04:35:00 <jeppy> Hopefully LG got things right. It seems like they have a bad rap
Oct 30 04:36:38 <jeppy> and how come the tablet is only dual core?
Oct 30 04:37:09 <jeppy> matias in the video said something about the best chip they could find... maybe the gpu?
Oct 30 04:37:28 <Leeds> it *is* an A15 core
Oct 30 04:37:33 <Leeds> genuinely next-gen ARM
Oct 30 04:37:47 <jeppy> oh
Oct 30 04:38:55 <jeppy> that makes me feel better
Oct 30 04:39:33 <jeppy> and the nexus 7 with 16gb and cell data for $299.. that is really good
Oct 30 04:39:45 <Leeds> "ARM has confirmed that the Cortex A15 core is 40 percent faster than the Cortex-A9 core, all things being equal."
Oct 30 04:39:49 <HoneyH> hey, is this where i ask if i have problem developing my android app?
Oct 30 04:39:53 <mdkess> Does anyone know when a view's getHeight get populated? I'm in a situation where getHeight is 0 but getMeasuredHeight is not zero.
Oct 30 04:39:55 <jeppy> Leeds, yeah i just read that
Oct 30 04:40:07 <jeppy> HoneyH, yes
Oct 30 04:40:10 <Leeds> HoneyH: yup
Oct 30 04:41:20 <jeppy> mdkess, possibly a weight to define hight?
Oct 30 04:41:35 <HoneyH> i'm new in android. I wanna ask, i have a fragmentActivity, and I want to start an intent that calls Activity
Oct 30 04:41:49 <HoneyH> i mean an intent that extends fragment
Oct 30 04:41:53 <jeppy> i.e. layout_height=0dp     layout_weight=1
Oct 30 04:42:12 <HoneyH> is that possible?
Oct 30 04:42:35 <jeppy> it's not only possible, it's a mainstream use case
Oct 30 04:43:25 <mdkess> That's not the problem here, the issue is that the view hasn't been measured yet. But until it's laid out, I can't seem to get the dimensions of the child elements.
Oct 30 04:43:35 <HoneyH> my codes don't seem to work
Oct 30 04:43:38 <mdkess> So I need some hook into the View, but I can't figure out what that is.
Oct 30 04:43:45 <jeppy> HoneyH, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html
Oct 30 04:44:19 <jeppy> mdkess, beyond me
Oct 30 04:45:05 <mdkess> This is maddening - so close to finding a solution, yet so far away.
Oct 30 04:45:25 <HoneyH> thanks jeppy. i have this,
Oct 30 04:45:27 <HoneyH>  Intent intent1 = new Intent(FragmentActivity.this, Fragment.class);
Oct 30 04:45:28 <HoneyH> startActivity(intent1);
Oct 30 04:45:33 <HoneyH> is this right?
Oct 30 04:45:36 <jeppy> anyways my verizon contract ends nov. 17 and Tmobile, nexus 4, and I are going to get freaky
Oct 30 04:45:46 <mdkess> I *think* I have to force the view to render once.
Oct 30 04:46:23 <jeppy> HoneyH, Fragment.class should be your fragment's class
Oct 30 04:46:46 <HoneyH> so the codes should work right?
Oct 30 04:46:47 <jeppy> and use a pastebin (or similar) to post code
Oct 30 04:47:19 <lasserix> is there a way to ignore / hide a row in a cursor adapter if the cursor meets some criteria?
Oct 30 04:47:25 <jeppy> HoneyH, is your class's name "Fragment"? it shouldnt be
Oct 30 04:47:59 <HoneyH> nope. it is just an example. to indicate that my class extends fragment.
Oct 30 04:48:01 <HoneyH> let me paste it
Oct 30 04:48:02 <lasserix> mdkess are you trying to resize it on click or something?
Oct 30 04:48:03 <HoneyH> hang on
Oct 30 04:48:16 <lasserix> *reize the row
Oct 30 04:48:56 <mdkess> No, I've been trying to make a background that scrolls with a listview. And I have all of the mechanics in place, but the one thing I need is to be able to get the height of a row in a ListView. Which is surprisingly difficult.
Oct 30 04:49:28 <HoneyH> jeppy : this is my tabbar2 that extends fragmentActivity
Oct 30 04:49:31 <HoneyH> http://pastie.org/pastes/5135952/text?key=q6apyhlsomf2emypsz8dvg
Oct 30 04:50:54 <jeppy> looks like it should work to me
Oct 30 04:50:56 <HoneyH> i wanna start an intent that opens a class that extends fragment. which is this
Oct 30 04:50:59 <HoneyH> http://pastie.org/pastes/5135960/text?key=juljziol1babtuixdsg
Oct 30 04:51:17 <jeppy> ah
Oct 30 04:51:36 <jeppy> startActivity() starts an Activity!
Oct 30 04:51:41 * jeppy facepalm
Oct 30 04:51:41 <HoneyH> am i doing it correctly?
Oct 30 04:51:58 <jeppy> no, Favourite is a Fragment, not an Activity
Oct 30 04:51:58 <mdkess> I think the problem is that in the adapter when I return the view for the listview, it's not a child of the listview yet, so of course it can't be measured. So I need some callback after it gets added to the listview
Oct 30 04:52:20 <HoneyH> so i do i solve it.
Oct 30 04:52:26 <HoneyH> im sorry if it's a silly question
Oct 30 04:52:28 <jeppy> Read the docs at d.android.com
Oct 30 04:52:49 <HoneyH> im totally new in this. alright. thanks :)
Oct 30 04:53:00 <jeppy> quick answer: change the fragment to an activity. but really you need to follow an example first or something
Oct 30 04:53:38 <lasserix> mdkess why do you need per row, can’t you do whole listview height since it is a full background?
Oct 30 04:54:28 <shmooz> if you're new like me, sometimes you can find some guy on youtube showing step by step, my best help came from stackoverflow so far though
Oct 30 04:55:01 <shmooz> google search comes up with nice stackoverflow answers
Oct 30 04:55:42 <jeppy> HoneyH, http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/index.html
Oct 30 04:55:52 <mdkess> lasserix, well, I need to draw the background first in dispatchDraw(), offset by how far down the user has scrolled. Similar to this: http://code.google.com/p/shelves/source/browse/trunk/Shelves/src/org/curiouscreature/android/shelves/view/ShelvesView.java
Oct 30 04:56:10 <mdkess> However, unlike in shelves, my rows are of different heights.
Oct 30 04:56:21 <mdkess> (see dispatchDraw in that class)
Oct 30 04:56:32 <HoneyH> okay jeppy. thanks. i will take a look at the links and try to change my fragment to activity instead :)
Oct 30 04:57:27 <HoneyH> shmooz : yeah youtube really help. :) i searched stack overflow. nothing much comes up with what I want.
Oct 30 04:57:42 <jeppy> HoneyH, if you want to use fragments, follow that training guide
Oct 30 04:58:01 <shmooz> HoneyH: search google for the specific functionality you want to implement and it usually returns stackoverflow answers
Oct 30 05:03:26 <shmooz> uh oh sandy is really knockin toronto around now, hope my AC doesn't go flying out the window
Oct 30 05:17:13 <g00s> anyone here from CT, uSA ?
Oct 30 05:17:21 <g00s> oops, nope - long island :)
Oct 30 05:22:06 <HoneyH> @jeppy alright. thanks. :)
Oct 30 05:23:03 <lasserix> ugh why cant layerlists use ratio weighting for sizing, defeats the whole point of using shapes in xml to have to hardcode dimensions
Oct 30 05:36:57 <aray> stupid question: how do i change the value of a spinner?
Oct 30 05:39:24 <mdkess> I figured it out! Finally!
Oct 30 05:39:48 <mdkess> The correct approach was to add an OnLayoutChangeListener to the view of the row, then calculate height with bottom - top
Oct 30 05:43:25 <aray> derp. spinner.setSelection(foo);
Oct 30 05:45:24 <Leeds> noticed that the publisher interface now gives a maximum API level of 17+ - i.e. 4.2
Oct 30 05:45:49 <KaiKai> hi does anyone have a android 2.3 phone and has some time to download my app and tell me what FPS theyre getting?
Oct 30 05:45:51 <KaiKai> an*
Oct 30 05:48:04 <Quagmire3> opinion wise; whats the best recovery program? 4EXT? , CWM, CWM touch etc>
Oct 30 05:49:22 <KaiKai> hi does anyone have an android 2.3 phone that can test my application for fps atm?
Oct 30 05:49:51 <Leeds> Quagmire3: #android-root
Oct 30 05:56:01 <RustyShackleford> lots of android api examples prefix variables with "m"
Oct 30 05:56:14 <RustyShackleford> i.e. mAdapter, mCursor
Oct 30 05:56:24 <RustyShackleford> what's the m mean?
Oct 30 05:56:31 <DR01D-Engineer> magical
Oct 30 05:56:34 <DR01D-Engineer> lol
Oct 30 05:57:05 <sampullman> g00s or someone mentioned it the other day, but i forget
Oct 30 05:57:24 <aray> i knew this one. possibly module?
Oct 30 05:57:48 <aray> ==sampullman. i forgot
Oct 30 05:57:51 <sampullman> whatever it is, i find it annoying
Oct 30 05:58:48 <RustyShackleford> my best guess is "my"
Oct 30 05:58:48 <sampullman> oh, must be member
Oct 30 05:58:56 <sampullman> member sounds right
Oct 30 05:59:07 <RustyShackleford> oh hm, that's not so dumb after all
Oct 30 05:59:11 <aray> sampullman: that sounds like it.
Oct 30 05:59:23 <RustyShackleford> to distinguish it from static variables
Oct 30 05:59:35 <sampullman> eh, i just capitalize my statics
Oct 30 06:00:11 <sampullman> check this out: http://source.android.com/source/code-style.html#follow-field-naming-conventions
Oct 30 06:00:15 <sampullman> kind of interesting
Oct 30 06:02:24 <RustyShackleford> why not capitalize non-public static variables?
Oct 30 06:03:44 <sampullman> that's just the choice they made
Oct 30 06:03:59 <sampullman> makes sense to differentiate public/non public though
Oct 30 06:32:32 <RustyShackleford> I have a ListView populated with items. I'd like to give each item a different color
Oct 30 06:51:40 <lasserix> anyone know a website with good-idea stats for setting dp of padding, margins etc for different layouts?
Oct 30 07:02:42 <Czar> Hello. I'm trying to install the Android SDK. I tried the installed and received an error of ($^Name) has stopped worked. A google search revealed I should use the .zip verison instead of the .exe. I downloaded it and went to run android.bat but no GUI comes up. I then ran it via the command line and the program is unable to find java (it is installed). Other people have had this problem
Oct 30 07:02:42 <Czar> and the solution is to hit the back button then next but since I'm using the command line version, I cannot do this. What can I do?
Oct 30 07:02:56 <Czar> *installer. Sorry :(
Oct 30 07:19:38 <RustyShackleford> I have a ListView with 8 items in it. I'd like to set each item to a different color
Oct 30 07:20:01 <RustyShackleford> I've having trouble getting that item so that I can call View.setBackgroundColor()
Oct 30 07:20:48 <DR01D-Engineer> can you do it from the getview in the adapter
Oct 30 07:24:33 <RustyShackleford> DR01D-Engineer: can I safely use null for the last two parameters?
Oct 30 07:28:12 <DR01D-Engineer> i dont mean calling getview. i mean i assume you are using an adapter with getview or something already, so in the getview method called for each item maybe it could be set there. i am just guessing
Oct 30 07:28:42 <RustyShackleford> yes, I have an ArrayAdapter
Oct 30 07:30:32 <RustyShackleford> the items that I'd like to get to are already in a ListView
Oct 30 07:33:38 <DR01D-Engineer> well getView gets each list row's view. so i would guess it can be done inside the getView method where the data is set. not that iv tried
Oct 30 07:37:36 <RustyShackleford> DR01D-Engineer: so you are saying I should subclass ArrayAdapter and override the getView() Method
Oct 30 07:37:52 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh
Oct 30 07:38:16 <DR01D-Engineer> thats the first thing id try
Oct 30 07:39:30 <tagrudev> I want to download a file, what's the best practice (network downfalls to be expected)
Oct 30 07:39:33 <tagrudev> a service ?>
Oct 30 07:59:28 <ddreamer0> hi
Oct 30 07:59:57 <ddreamer0> JakeWharton hi, didn't find you yesterday anymore are you there?
Oct 30 08:36:03 <superlinux-hp> how can i stop  any running instance of Mediaplayer from anywhere?
Oct 30 08:49:07 <Syaoran-kun> Hello. I have a Bluetooth Headset with LCD attached to my Android 4.0.4 device. I want to send a test string to that headset screen. How can I achieve this? I can't found any documentation about this process.
Oct 30 08:53:53 <superlinux-hp> ok.. thanks i found it
Oct 30 08:54:04 <superlinux-hp> ok.. thanks i found the solution
Oct 30 08:54:16 <superlinux-hp> it's specific to my code
Oct 30 08:56:27 <ashes> what exactly is a factory reset?
Oct 30 08:57:50 * Syaoran-kun thinks that's impossible to do then.
Oct 30 08:59:11 <DR01D-Engineer> resets the device to the state of when you bought it from the shop
Oct 30 08:59:49 <DR01D-Engineer> something like that. uninstalls all apps and wipes user data
Oct 30 09:00:20 <tagrudev> any of you doing tdd in druid ?
Oct 30 09:03:14 <ashes> is a zip kept on a special partition, for this factory reset?
Oct 30 09:04:57 <ixc> factory reset for make clean data partition, clean caches
Oct 30 09:05:02 <Ge0rG> meh. jellybean broke my paid app. should I refund everybody who upgrades their phones now?
Oct 30 09:05:46 <ixc> Ge0rG: you should fix it :)
Oct 30 09:05:55 <Ge0rG> ixc: it is unfixable
Oct 30 09:06:12 <Ge0rG> ixc: the best workaround available is to require a rooted phone
Oct 30 09:06:19 <ixc> set maxsdk and describe on google play info
Oct 30 09:06:24 <DR01D-Engineer> what does it do that is unfixable?
Oct 30 09:06:26 <DR01D-Engineer> im curious
Oct 30 09:06:59 <ixc> im also curious :)
Oct 30 09:07:10 <Ge0rG> ixc: I already did; now users are complaining they can't find the app even though they paid for it.
Oct 30 09:07:20 <Ge0rG> http://duenndns.de/fca/jellybean/ :>
Oct 30 09:08:31 <ixc> a function is depend on logs isnt decent
Oct 30 09:08:40 <Ge0rG> there is no official way for an app to determine if a call was redirected. a system app can hook into the according radio service, but that requires being a system app
Oct 30 09:09:07 <Ge0rG> ixc: indeed. but a function that is implemented as a horrible hack is still better than a function not available at all
Oct 30 09:09:29 <Ge0rG> 400+ paying customers think so too
Oct 30 09:11:49 <ixc> than you should send a feature request for suply in api, not report this "security" fix :)
Oct 30 09:11:57 <DR01D-Engineer> note to self: don't write apps with functionality based on hacks
Oct 30 09:12:23 <Ge0rG> ixc: haha, good luck with getting a feature request through in android. more so, if it might be related to privacy
Oct 30 09:12:43 <Ge0rG> DR01D-Engineer: I wrote the app because I needed that function. and then I thought other people might need it as well
Oct 30 09:12:44 <ixc> im agree that DR01D-Engineer said
Oct 30 09:13:04 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh i think the permissions system needs to be updated
Oct 30 09:13:11 <Ge0rG> if you have to pay for call redirection to your phone, or if you have a business number forwarded, it is very important to see
Oct 30 09:13:14 <DR01D-Engineer> feature and security wise
Oct 30 09:13:22 <DR01D-Engineer> i see
Oct 30 09:17:14 <ashes> there are two ways i can think of factory resetting working. either a zip file of the core system is kept on an umounted partition, or a file list of the core system is kept where files not on the list are removed
Oct 30 09:17:17 <DR01D-Engineer> what if i made an app that only sold 10 times... so i wanted to discontinue support for it. would i be required to refund those people?
Oct 30 09:17:54 <vadi2> Where is the file manager in the 4.0 emulator?
Oct 30 09:18:17 <Ge0rG> DR01D-Engineer: there are some strange sentences in the google play contract
Oct 30 09:18:40 <DR01D-Engineer> Ge0rg can you elaborate on that?
Oct 30 09:19:15 <Ge0rG> DR01D-Engineer: under certain conditions, you are required to refund all of the purchases. But I think only if Google terminates your account due to abuse, or so
Oct 30 09:19:37 <Leeds> vadi2: what file manager?
Oct 30 09:19:53 <vadi2> A file manager to browse things on the SD card from the emulator.
Oct 30 09:20:05 <Leeds> is there any reason why there would be a file manager?
Oct 30 09:20:19 <vadi2> Yeah, it's sort of a necessary basic tool.
Oct 30 09:20:50 <Leeds> you've got a shell
Oct 30 09:21:35 <RazielZ> How do I get eclipse to let me launch my app on a avd that's different from target api (but higher or equal to minimum)?
Oct 30 09:21:42 <vadi2> Yeah seems so. Went the shell way.
Oct 30 09:21:58 <Leeds> vadi2: or install a file manager yourself - openintents has one
Oct 30 09:22:10 <DR01D-Engineer> you just run the avd then run the app like you normally would
Oct 30 09:22:27 <RazielZ> Ah
Oct 30 09:22:28 <Ge0rG> the android shell is so stripped down its no fun...
Oct 30 09:22:33 <vadi2> No, not in this case. I have to test the final APK I'd send to the market.
Oct 30 09:22:43 <vadi2> Already gotten bitten by it forgetting to include a class for me ...
Oct 30 09:22:50 <vadi2> And it seems this apk is corrupted too. Lovely.
Oct 30 09:33:12 <RazielZ> Apparently http just went full retard
Oct 30 09:33:29 <RazielZ> http://www.home.elementfx.com/herodex/cver.txt
Oct 30 09:33:41 <RazielZ> That's a txt file. The source is simply a 1, yes?
Oct 30 09:34:01 <RazielZ> So why is it that when I readLine from it, I get <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/strict.dtd"><!-- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
Oct 30 09:35:59 <RazielZ> It's not even a html file, ffs
Oct 30 09:39:59 <DysonReturns> RazielZ. the usual pitfalls - are you sure you're calling the correct url? can you try loading that url into a webview from the device? is it not some firewall blocking message that you're getting instead? ,etc.
Oct 30 09:41:29 <RazielZ> Well it works on the device's browser
Oct 30 09:42:03 <RazielZ> http://pastebin.com/eHk8N9Yu
Oct 30 09:42:14 <RazielZ> Can't see how it wouldn't call the right url
Oct 30 09:42:39 <RazielZ> And it worked before :/
Oct 30 09:43:02 <RazielZ> It does the same on an emulator, too.
Oct 30 09:43:08 <RazielZ> Which is using another internet connection.
Oct 30 09:45:53 <superlinux-hp> do the shared preferences of an app get deleted when I uninstall the application?
Oct 30 09:47:41 <Tee_Pee> So... this is a weird question... I am trying to find a solution but honestly I don't know what to punch into google to get relevant results - how can I detect if the left edge of a matrix scaled / translated imageview aligns with the left edge of the screen?
Oct 30 09:48:21 <Tee_Pee> I am having an image that can be panned around, but I want to constrain it to the screen
Oct 30 09:48:45 <Leeds> superlinux-hp: yes
Oct 30 09:49:04 <Leeds> well, if you use the standard uninstall, anyway - I think adb uninstall can choose to leave it
Oct 30 09:49:08 <H3bus> HI guys, is it possible for an application to install another application ?
Oct 30 09:49:09 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, cos i want to make a limited version of my work
Oct 30 09:49:44 <superlinux-hp>  and i want one time access to an activity
Oct 30 09:51:05 <superlinux-hp> this means that every time it gets reinstalled , the user can access that activity
Oct 30 10:14:21 <opariti> hi! I am using WebView and loadUrl("http://www.example.com") works fine but not when I enter the URL from an EditText box 'tb'  (url = tb.getText().toString()). Nor the other WebView methods work
Oct 30 10:16:13 <tdignan> opariti: so set a breakpoint for that line of code and examine the value of 'url' -- maybe it has unwanted whitespace in it that you can get rid of with .trim()?
Oct 30 10:17:17 <opariti> tdignan: i'll check & bb
Oct 30 10:19:55 <opariti> tdignan: tried. The url is fine but the app stops
Oct 30 10:52:42 <Tee_Pee> so, I am calling getLocationOnScreen of a view from inside a touch listener and I keep getting 0's
Oct 30 10:54:40 <Tee_Pee> getWidth() and getHeight() do work
Oct 30 11:05:22 <DysonReturns> Tee_Pee: if you're still referring to the animation thing - just flagging that those old animations don't actually change the view's bounds depending on the animation.
Oct 30 11:06:14 <Tee_Pee> not animation, just translating the imageview via matrix.
Oct 30 11:06:22 <Tee_Pee> and trying to get its absolute x and y coordinates
Oct 30 11:06:49 <Tee_Pee> and I finally got it.
Oct 30 11:06:58 <DysonReturns> what did you do?
Oct 30 11:07:34 <Tee_Pee> RectF rectf = new RectF();   matrix.mapRect(rectf);
Oct 30 11:17:31 <Ge0rG> sigh. now I have a frankenstein style app with ABS at the top and iphone-style "tabbar" in the bottom.
Oct 30 11:17:39 <Ge0rG> all because the customer said so.
Oct 30 11:19:18 <tagrudev> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3028306/download-a-file-with-android-and-showing-the-progress-in-a-progressdialog
Oct 30 11:19:26 <tagrudev> here in the second example the service one
Oct 30 11:19:47 <tagrudev> how do I access the Progress Dialog in the DownloadReceiver
Oct 30 11:19:57 <tagrudev> mProgressDialog
Oct 30 11:21:29 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: never, ever, ever use a dialog to display the download progress! never!
Oct 30 11:21:51 <tagrudev> what should I use instead ?
Oct 30 11:21:52 <Ge0rG> progressdialog is the single most annoying mis-feature of android.
Oct 30 11:22:08 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: use a service, make a progress bar in the notification; look at how Browser is downloading stuff
Oct 30 11:22:31 <tagrudev> any good article or tutorial on doing so Ge0rG ?
Oct 30 11:22:33 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: never block the UI during downloads, because the users will be pissed off when they can't do anything
Oct 30 11:22:49 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: haven't looked yet
Oct 30 11:23:02 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: you can integrate the progressbar into your ui as well, but not as a dialog
Oct 30 11:23:17 <Ge0rG> rather as an embedded view, so the users can still do whatever they want
Oct 30 11:23:55 <tagrudev> okey point taken Ge0rG I will remove it can you point me out on what should I look into ?
Oct 30 11:25:55 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: sorry, no
Oct 30 11:27:32 <tagrudev> sorry I should not do this but there is no pointing in how should it be handled
Oct 30 11:28:06 <tagrudev> I kinda feel all the things in android is like this
Oct 30 11:28:06 <Ge0rG> tagrudev: google says: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1871515/progress-bar-in-notification-bar-when-uploading-image
Oct 30 11:28:27 <Ge0rG> or also http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10991159/progress-bar-in-notification
Oct 30 11:28:40 <Ge0rG> also http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3537773/updating-the-progress-bar-in-the-notification-area
Oct 30 11:28:52 <Ge0rG> a howto: http://united-coders.com/nico-heid/show-progressbar-in-notification-area-like-google-does-when-downloading-from-android/
Oct 30 11:29:44 <tagrudev> Ge0rG, ty I would read them
Oct 30 11:30:15 <xroberx> does anyone know how to switch from the default c++ compiler to c when using the NDK ? Even when compiling .c files __cplusplus is defined
Oct 30 11:31:39 <digitalfallacy> Hi.. is there a way to find out if another instance of an activity is still running .. ?
Oct 30 11:33:02 <Ge0rG> meh. annoying UI bug on 4.x: when I switch from a full-screen landscape activity to a normal portrait activity, the actionbar is hidden behind android's status bar.
Oct 30 11:33:49 <rsv> can i have an idle wakelock from userspace
Oct 30 11:38:58 <fecub> digitalfallacy: bit.ly/RtsYDA
Oct 30 11:56:35 <spobat> How do you open the facebook app with a specific app open?
Oct 30 11:56:40 <spobat> specific page*
Oct 30 11:56:42 <spobat> like this one:
Oct 30 11:56:43 <spobat> http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Bro-Code-for-Android/513783345316342
Oct 30 12:34:39 <Moskito> does anybody know if a ViewPager works in a PopupWindow?
Oct 30 12:36:44 <Tee_Pee> I hav an imageview transformed by a matrix... when I do imageView.getHeight() or getWidth() I get the actual dimensions of the image I'm loading... how would I get the actual size of the drawable?
Oct 30 12:37:04 <opariti> does anyone know why WebView methods work work inside onCreate but crash inside onClick?
Oct 30 12:47:05 <ddreamer0> JakeWharton hi ?
Oct 30 12:51:08 <docmur> When you call onSearchRequest the searchbar appears at the top of the screen, is there a away to move it down?
Oct 30 13:01:35 <emaiax> hello guys
Oct 30 13:01:49 <brian_de> anybody up for some helping ... please? :)  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13139547/illegalstateexception-on-opening-options-menu
Oct 30 13:02:24 <emaiax> i've been crafting android mobile apps since a while and thinking about to do it also for tablets.
Oct 30 13:02:46 <emaiax> someone can say the main differences between development for each other?
Oct 30 13:03:28 <emaiax> i mean, cel phones using android 2.3 minimum and tablets with android 4 minimum.
Oct 30 13:03:35 <brian_de> emaiax: the layouts, i guess
Oct 30 13:05:29 <emaiax> brian_de: but the code itself.. it could be >> ALMOST << the same? (except for the differences between each API version, of course)
Oct 30 13:06:46 <ddreamer0> emaiax define "a while"
Oct 30 13:06:46 <brian_de> emaiax: as long as you dont need to use specific API features from Android 3/4 you shouldn't encouter any problems
Oct 30 13:07:10 <emaiax> ddreamer0: a few months, lol
Oct 30 13:07:48 <emaiax> brian_de: do you have some references for me to read about it?
Oct 30 13:08:06 <brian_de> emaiax: well ... http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Oct 30 13:08:32 <brian_de> emaiax: to be more specific: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/supporting-devices/platforms.html
Oct 30 13:09:19 <sebrock> is OnGUI called often? ie is it possible to have a countdown timer in OnGUI or should this better be done in Update?
Oct 30 13:09:51 <emaiax> brian_de: thanks a lot, dude! :)
Oct 30 13:10:04 <brian_de> ur welcome :)
Oct 30 13:22:45 <brian_de> needs more greate hints http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13139547/illegalstateexception-on-opening-options-menu
Oct 30 13:23:58 <bubbleguuum> feel the love for random RuntimeException's thrown by the framework
Oct 30 13:24:16 <bubbleguuum> ...in palce you cannot catch them
Oct 30 13:24:57 <brian_de> there is nothing more i love!
Oct 30 13:28:16 <sebrock> there is no way to completely reset a level? LoadLevel seems to not reinitialize a few plugins I'm using
Oct 30 13:30:50 <docmur> why would getActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true); throw a null pointer exeception?  Do I need to import an action bar library
Oct 30 13:32:54 <mrenouf> docmur,  you're using the wrong theme
Oct 30 13:33:09 <spobat> How do you load your admob ads? (Jelly Bean)
Oct 30 13:33:23 <spobat> I get some error if I do it on the UI thread, and if I do it on another thread I get a warning
Oct 30 13:33:30 <mrenouf> docmur, or you have no ActionBar at that point (must be called after onCreate())
Oct 30 13:33:52 <docmur> Can I call it in onCreate()?
Oct 30 13:33:56 <mrenouf> bubbleguuum, they are not random, and you can always catch them
Oct 30 13:34:29 <spobat> like this: http://pastie.org/5137481
Oct 30 13:34:39 <spobat> Any idea? Has anyone experienced the same here?
Oct 30 13:34:58 <opariti> anyone knows how can I pass a parameter to the onClick handler, for example like this onClic(View v, Object object) ?
Oct 30 13:35:30 <bubbleguuum> mrenouf: I was being sarcastic abount randomness. And try to catch a RuntimeException that happens in a handler posted by the framework
Oct 30 13:35:40 <xroberx> hi there
Oct 30 13:36:29 <mrenouf> bubbleguuum, Thread.setUncaughtExceptionHandler though that doesn't allow you to recover, it does /technically/ catch it ;-)
Oct 30 13:37:05 <xroberx> does anyone know how to make Eclipse use C instead of C++ for NDK projects ? I've tried to remove <nature>org.eclipse.cdt.core.ccnature</nature> and leave only <nature>org.eclipse.cdt.core.cnature</nature> (notice the double c in the first one) with no luck
Oct 30 13:37:12 <ClockworkAnt> Does anyone have experiance with Otto (from square) and/or EventBus by greenrobot? I'm trying to understand the difference between them and what factors influence which library you should use
Oct 30 13:37:19 <xroberx> no matter what I do it defines __cplusplus even for .c files
Oct 30 13:37:26 <bubbleguuum> mrenouf: it doesn't allow to recover. Which is the point of catching some framework Execptions
Oct 30 13:37:44 <mrenouf> bubbleguuum, debugging, reporting?
Oct 30 13:38:14 <brian_de> mrenouf: in my case i'm using ACRA and actually i'm kind of able to "recover" in the sense of restarting the app ... but this is no real solution ;)
Oct 30 13:38:57 <bubbleguuum> mrenouf: example: a WebView crashes on an uncaught Exception: there's nothing you can do to workaround it. It will just crash. Of course you can get many crash reports of it.
Oct 30 13:40:38 <mrenouf> brian_de, look for cases where you are inflating a view with a parent. in many cases you pass a parent viewgroup to get the correct layoutparams, but should pass false for the parameter to attach (the exception you're getting is because it's trying to add a view that already exists in the viewgroup)
Oct 30 13:41:33 <brian_de> mrenouf: good point! I searched for this a while ago ... maybe I should double check
Oct 30 13:41:43 <mrenouf> an in fact, thanks to android being open source I can actually look at PhoneWindow and see exactly what it's trying to do there
Oct 30 13:42:40 <bubbleguuum> one should count the number of RuntimeException thrown by the framework
Oct 30 13:42:53 <brian_de> mrenouf: I did that. well and it is just adding views in there to populate the options menu. of course there is no exception handling of course ;)
Oct 30 13:43:24 <mrenouf> no custom actionview?
Oct 30 13:43:30 <brian_de> noooo :)
Oct 30 13:43:43 <mrenouf> whatcha mean "adding views" ?
Oct 30 13:44:02 <mrenouf> anything other than inflating menu items?
Oct 30 13:44:30 <brian_de> for creating the options menu i dont do anything else the useing the menu inflater
Oct 30 13:44:46 <mrenouf> yep, it's crashing trying to attach the menu to the window
Oct 30 13:46:59 <brian_de> and except from my list adapter I dont manually add any views .... so it must be that option menu (even i'd prefer it would be my code causing this ;) )
Oct 30 13:50:49 <mrenouf> brian_de, theres a slim chance it's a platform bug, bug not sure yet.
Oct 30 13:51:17 <mrenouf> you still have to be doing something peculiar to cause it, else it would be far too common a problem
Oct 30 13:51:45 <mrenouf> I dont think it's the list adapter at all, look at where the exception is thrown
Oct 30 13:52:07 <brian_de> well, currently i only see this on one device. samsung, sony nexus, all do fine
Oct 30 13:52:17 <docmur> If I have a searchBar focused and hooked to a cancel call back, when I press the screen or a button will the onCancel be fired?
Oct 30 13:52:53 <brian_de> but the strange thing is, that this isn't happening with all of my activities. just this one ListActivity
Oct 30 13:53:51 <mrenouf> brian_de, can you comment out your onCreateOptionsMenu code and retest?
Oct 30 13:54:04 <mrenouf> process of elimination
Oct 30 13:54:12 <brian_de> docmur: i'd say no. you propably have to invoke the callback yourself
Oct 30 13:54:36 <brian_de> mrenouf: already did this with onCreateOptionsMenu and onPrepareOptionsMenu.
Oct 30 13:54:36 <mrenouf> having the opposite problem myself, cant get a fragment to add it's option menu items
Oct 30 13:54:46 <docmur> I have the callback overriden, my question is, if I have the searchbar focused and press the screen then will that call back be called?
Oct 30 13:54:48 <mrenouf> brian_de, oh. interesting
Oct 30 13:54:55 <brian_de> if the menu isn't shown at all, there is no problem
Oct 30 13:55:26 <mrenouf> brian_de, I would say continue to break it down into a minimal test case, or even try making a minimal test app to try an reproduce
Oct 30 13:59:53 <opariti> if anyone from google has an ear here: i've found a bug of WebView in Jellybeans: when a new page is loaded the system considers it as onPause/onResume, thus the object needs to be
Oct 30 14:00:02 <opariti> reinitialized
Oct 30 14:01:07 <opariti> not redefined as id but just reinitialized with the xml id
Oct 30 14:01:56 <brian_de> opariti: fix it and provide a patch :)
Oct 30 14:03:03 <Cpudan80> Hey
Oct 30 14:03:24 <opariti> brian_de: i've detected and fixed it through program. the error I'm getting in the catLog is in the View class of the SDK, but I'm not yet at that level ...
Oct 30 14:03:27 <Cpudan80> Can any of you think of why I am getting "Activity ... has leaked ServiceConnection ... originally bound here" ?
Oct 30 14:03:37 <Cpudan80> I **AM** calling unbindService in onDestory()
Oct 30 14:05:36 <brian_de> opariti: yeah ... the View class. love it too ;) ... I guess if this is really a bug you discovered there you should file a ticket and provide a patch to fix the bug. i guess here is no one from google taking care of bug reports
Oct 30 14:06:17 <brian_de> Cpudan80: try to unbind in onPause
Oct 30 14:07:01 <Cpudan80> apparently my onDestory method isnt being called?
Oct 30 14:07:08 <Cpudan80> no wonder why it's leaking...
Oct 30 14:07:47 <opariti> brian_de: why not? there is certainly a bug since it was reported until recently but with no reason identified. I believe I just went a little bit furter on the cause. Do you have the link where I could open a ticket?
Oct 30 14:08:51 <Cpudan80> brian_de: I spelled the name of the damn method wrong
Oct 30 14:08:59 * Cpudan80 bangs head on desk
Oct 30 14:09:03 <brian_de> LOL
Oct 30 14:09:08 <NiveusLuna> Heya. What do the "Google APIs" packages give access to?
Oct 30 14:09:19 <brian_de> opariti:  not sure if this is the place to go http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Oct 30 14:09:25 <NiveusLuna> And don't say the google apis. I gathered that much. I want specifics.
Oct 30 14:09:34 <mrenouf> Cpudan80, Always use @Override annotations and that will never happen to you.
Oct 30 14:09:35 <p_l> NiveusLuna: Maps, Cloud Messaging, Google Account - only libs, though
Oct 30 14:09:36 <NiveusLuna> Like, GMail hooks, Voice hooks, what?
Oct 30 14:09:52 <Cpudan80> mrenouf: yeah ... but I dont like that @Override thing
Oct 30 14:09:57 <Cpudan80> It makes the code look messy
Oct 30 14:09:59 <NiveusLuna> p_l: ah. What about in-app purchases, is that in there, too?
Oct 30 14:10:02 <docmur> Is there a way to figure out what item was clicked in a view?  The problem is the searchbar is auto focued so when I click anything onDismiss is thrown which is killing everythign
Oct 30 14:10:07 <opariti> brian_de: thanks, that's it
Oct 30 14:10:08 <NiveusLuna> p_l: or is that a separate package?
Oct 30 14:10:12 <mrenouf> Cpudan80, oh, you prefer banging your head on desks. Ok. that's fine too.
Oct 30 14:10:15 <p_l> NiveusLuna: enough to simulate, I think, but I'm not sure
Oct 30 14:10:22 <historypeats> how does one even get directory traversal on android via content-providers
Oct 30 14:10:22 <Cpudan80> mrenouf: heh
Oct 30 14:10:25 <NiveusLuna> p_l: okay, thank you.
Oct 30 14:10:26 <p_l> Cpudan80: welcome to Java
Oct 30 14:10:32 <NiveusLuna> means I can safely get rid of it.
Oct 30 14:10:36 <historypeats> aren't content providers basically just vuln to sql injection?
Oct 30 14:10:38 <mrenouf> Cpudan80, I can tell you it's universally used and you're being silly to avoid it.
Oct 30 14:10:44 <NiveusLuna> I don't wanna defrag the ARM images. XD
Oct 30 14:10:55 <NiveusLuna> bye, everyone!
Oct 30 14:11:13 <p_l> historypeats: not necessarily
Oct 30 14:11:29 <p_l> iirc you don't have to implement SQL with them, at all
Oct 30 14:11:34 <historypeats> can you ellaborate more or maybe point me to a good reference
Oct 30 14:11:36 <historypeats> really?
Oct 30 14:11:41 <historypeats> hmm, i guess i misunderstood that
Oct 30 14:11:50 <mrenouf> historypeats, they can also serve file descriptors, they can accept a file:// reference and provide access
Oct 30 14:12:00 <historypeats> ah, okay
Oct 30 14:12:16 <mrenouf> historypeats, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContentProviderClient.html#openFile(android.net.Uri, java.lang.String)
Oct 30 14:12:53 <mrenouf> so yeah, normallize your Uris
Oct 30 14:13:06 <historypeats> thanks!
Oct 30 14:13:17 <mrenouf> like Gmail does not do for attachments :-(
Oct 30 14:14:10 <mrenouf> the bigger problem is that people tend to leave their content providers as published="true"
Oct 30 14:21:50 <Jonathan_Eyre> Is there a source on github of a browser using a videoview to play HTML5 video?
Oct 30 14:22:11 <Jonathan_Eyre> I guess this is a narrow niche question.
Oct 30 14:22:24 <Jonathan_Eyre> Nobody seems to know how to do it.
Oct 30 14:23:27 <Jonathan_Eyre> I can run a webview and run html5 video in it, but on some devices it runs fullscreen, which override all of the html5 commands for controls.
Oct 30 14:23:50 <Jonathan_Eyre> I can run a videoview with my own controls, using mediacontroller options.
Oct 30 14:24:36 <Jonathan_Eyre> So... The only piece I am missing is how to run the html5 video in my videoview when I want to play videos, instead of letting the default video player take over.
Oct 30 14:24:55 <Leeds> I'd be interested to know what you think "html5 video" means
Oct 30 14:30:10 <fakingfantastic> Hey Gang, If I have an ImageView, how can I get the actual dimensions of the image itself, and not the ImageView?
Oct 30 14:31:42 <Jonathan_Eyre> Leeds: I'm under the assumption that "html5 video" means: "I have a browser as the only piece of software on my device. I do not have any plugins, such as SilverLight, Flash, VLC Player, Real Player, or any other sort of hobnobbery video player on my device. And yet, I can view any properly encoded mp4 video through my browser."
Oct 30 14:31:59 <Jonathan_Eyre> I think that's the basic thought process behind "html5 video".
Oct 30 14:32:26 <Leeds> and what does that have to do with a mediacontroller or videoview?
Oct 30 14:32:38 <superlinux-hp> hi. how can I create a new empty file inside the data directory of the application?
Oct 30 14:33:20 <Jonathan_Eyre> In Android, you can play an mp4 video through a videoview, and you can control the controls available to the videoview through mediacontroller.
Oct 30 14:33:22 <Leeds> also, firefox and opera don't support mp4 in <video> elements, AFAIK
Oct 30 14:33:35 <Leeds> Jonathan_Eyre: cool, and what does that have to do with viewing video in your browser?
Oct 30 14:33:40 <Jonathan_Eyre> You can also use a videoview to play the web video launched from a webview.
Oct 30 14:33:47 <Jonathan_Eyre> Or so I've been told.
Oct 30 14:34:01 <Leeds> are you talking about a webview in an app, or the stock browser?
Oct 30 14:34:25 <Jonathan_Eyre> The problem, is that the DEFAULT video player that takes over for html5 video on some Android devices does NOT respect html5 control commands.
Oct 30 14:34:32 <Jonathan_Eyre> the webview
Oct 30 14:35:06 <Jonathan_Eyre> So in my webview, which can already play html5 video just fine, does not respect control options on some devices.
Oct 30 14:35:10 <Leeds> no, because the default video player isn't playing 'html5 video' - it's just streaming video over http
Oct 30 14:35:32 <Leeds> I thought you said there were no apps on the system, just the browser?
Oct 30 14:35:34 <Leeds> meh
Oct 30 14:35:56 <Jonathan_Eyre> Right. The default video palyer gets a command to play video.
Oct 30 14:36:28 <Jonathan_Eyre> That command does not tell it to respect controls directed from html.
Oct 30 14:36:41 <Leeds> no, because the default video player *isn't an html browser*
Oct 30 14:36:45 <Leeds> you're confused
Oct 30 14:37:04 <shmooz> I guess they need to update VideoView to handle html5 video and controls
Oct 30 14:37:21 <Leeds> shmooz: of course they don't
Oct 30 14:37:36 <shmooz> ok then WebView
Oct 30 14:37:37 <Jonathan_Eyre> So, if I want an app that responds to html commands, I need to read the options in the site I am looking at, figure out which options are appropriate for this viewing experience, and direct my videoview to have the options that were specified in the html page.
Oct 30 14:37:37 <Leeds> videoview plays videos, it doesn't parse and manage HTML <video> tags
Oct 30 14:37:39 <shmooz> something had to do it
Oct 30 14:38:07 <Jonathan_Eyre> Right, so if I want an html5 experience, I have to do it myself.
Oct 30 14:38:25 <Jonathan_Eyre> Because the default webview does not do it correctly.
Oct 30 14:38:53 <Leeds> presumably this isn't your video/website?
Oct 30 14:39:03 <Jonathan_Eyre> Yes, it is.
Oct 30 14:39:21 <Jonathan_Eyre> My video, my site, my app to interact with it.
Oct 30 14:39:23 <Leeds> then why aren't you just streaming it into a videview?
Oct 30 14:39:38 <Leeds> why are you getting yourself all confused with the browser?
Oct 30 14:39:44 <Leeds> no, actually, meh... don't care
Oct 30 14:40:33 <shmooz> I'm creating a Video app that will allow users to enter any video URL manually and bookmark it, I haven't looked at html5 yet
Oct 30 14:41:12 <shmooz> maybe the new ffmpeg 1.0 container supports html5 controls
Oct 30 14:41:18 <Jonathan_Eyre> The point is that I have an HTML5 app that works EVERYWHERE except for Android. This app has video, sound effects, real-time updating stats and a several thousand lines of server code.
Oct 30 14:41:52 <Jonathan_Eyre> The point is that Android stinks HTML5-wise, and I'm trying to make it work that way it should, anyway.
Oct 30 14:42:22 <Leeds> does it work in Chrome?
Oct 30 14:43:27 <DeathWishLT> Any one has experience in scaling drawable images inside ImageView? The problem is that when it scales it, there's to mutch sharpness... Any suggestions?
Oct 30 14:43:41 <Jonathan_Eyre> hmm, It works in MAC, linux and windows chrome. I haven't tried the Android Chrome, yet.
Oct 30 14:43:51 <Jonathan_Eyre> That's an interesting idea.
Oct 30 14:45:54 <clever> DeathWishLT: sounds like you want anti-aliasing
Oct 30 14:46:44 <DeathWishLT> clever: ok I'll check that. At least now I have something to start with solving this.
Oct 30 14:46:46 <clever> DeathWishLT: basicaly, it scales to 2x (or 4x, or 8x) the size you want, then it takes each 2x2 pixel square and averages them together, making it more fuzzy
Oct 30 14:47:13 <clever> i see the option a lot in 3d games, because lines tend to look very stepped if you dont enable it
Oct 30 14:48:22 <ddreamer0> has anyone had abs put a white space in front/at the back of the tabs? as if they were scrollable ?
Oct 30 14:48:36 <Moskito> does anybody know if a ViewPager works in a PopupWindow?
Oct 30 14:48:42 <Moskito> or a Viewpager in a Viewpager?
Oct 30 14:53:19 <tofra> guys, is there an intent which opens the settings->apps->"my app" settings page?
Oct 30 14:53:20 <DeathWishLT> clever: this is harder than i tought, can't find how to enable AA on ImageView programmaticaly
Oct 30 14:55:36 <clever> DeathWishLT: ive got no idea if its actualy posible
Oct 30 14:55:39 <clever> never needed it yet
Oct 30 14:55:57 <opticdelusion> @tofra this might help you, second hit with google: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4421527/start-android-application-info-screen
Oct 30 14:58:08 <Jonathan_Eyre> On a list of cons for developing an app with video integration on Android: "Few developers with Android video applications related expertise"... lol
Oct 30 14:58:59 <shmooz> that could also be a pro Jonathan_Eyre
Oct 30 14:59:22 <shmooz> less competition ;)
Oct 30 14:59:44 <shmooz> now don't go telling everyone what you learn, except for me
Oct 30 15:03:47 <tofra> @opticdelusion: thanks!
Oct 30 15:05:27 <Sculptor> o/
Oct 30 15:06:30 <superlinux-hp> please !! can someone help me ? how can I write a new emtpy file to the internal storage of my application?
Oct 30 15:07:27 <Syaoran-kun> Hello. I have a Bluetooth Headset with LCD attached to my Android 4.0.4 device. I want to send a test string to that headset screen. How can I achieve this? I can't found any documentation about this process.
Oct 30 15:11:00 <Leeds> superlinux-hp: erm, open a file then close it without writing to it?
Oct 30 15:15:19 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, i need code. i just could not understand it
Oct 30 15:17:22 <dragorn> Syaoran-kun: there is an a2dp class, that's all I can think of
Oct 30 15:17:28 <dragorn> Syaoran-kun: unless it uses a rfcomm secondary channel
Oct 30 15:18:04 <Leeds> superlinux-hp: you need code to tell you how to open and close a file?
Oct 30 15:18:23 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, in the internal storage
Oct 30 15:18:37 <superlinux-hp> nothing is working with me
Oct 30 15:18:47 <Leeds> the docs aren't working?
Oct 30 15:19:12 <Leeds> strange, d.android.com works for me...
Oct 30 15:19:51 <Leeds> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesInternal
Oct 30 15:19:54 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, shouldn't this work? File fos = new File(getApplicationContext().getDir("anydir", Context.MODE_PRIVATE).toString());
Oct 30 15:20:44 <Leeds> okay, I just got captcha-blocked going to http://play.google.com - not scraping anything, just the front page
Oct 30 15:20:49 <QcMat_> on iOS arc4random is random, on android, same code, it returns the same sequence everytime, do I need to seed it ?
Oct 30 15:21:19 <Jonathan_Eyre> Leeds: get off tor
Oct 30 15:21:20 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, if i want to check if it exists what would be the path?
Oct 30 15:21:34 <superlinux-hp> Leeds, according to the guide?
Oct 30 15:21:40 <Leeds> Jonathan_Eyre: if I were... I might understand being blocked
Oct 30 15:22:20 <Leeds> superlinux-hp: what are you actually trying to achieve?
Oct 30 15:22:29 <Leeds> (I should make a macro for that)
Oct 30 15:22:47 <superlinux-hp> i just want to make something like the touch command in Linux
Oct 30 15:22:54 <Leeds> why?
Oct 30 15:23:05 <kitallis> does MediaPlayer do HTTPS Live Streaming for audio?
Oct 30 15:23:18 <superlinux-hp> i want to check if it exits so i can disable a functionality in my demo application
Oct 30 15:23:40 <Leeds> and why would you use an empty file as a way to store a boolean?
Oct 30 15:23:54 <pierpark> Could one of you awesome ... smarter-than-I-am ... people take a look at http://pastebin.com/saJkf1WY and give me a hand? I'll try to be brief: This works perfectly until the point of throwing in AQuery (aq.ajax(url)) to get ready to download my "marker" .. Then it is suggested to change "Canvas canvas" to "final Canvas canvas" (in the paste, it isn't changed, but the canvas.drawBitmap
Oct 30 15:23:54 <pierpark> part is highlighted with an error)... I was guessing that since it was the part needing changing, and it works otherwise (and doesn't work with "final" added in) that it might be the issue?
Oct 30 15:23:58 <superlinux-hp> i am not storing anything in it
Oct 30 15:24:13 <superlinux-hp> the file is like a mark in the application
Oct 30 15:24:17 <Leeds> yes you are, you're storing a boolean
Oct 30 15:24:25 <superlinux-hp> i have to save this mark
Oct 30 15:24:38 <Leeds> superlinux-hp: do you know what a boolean is?
Oct 30 15:24:43 <superlinux-hp> i know
Oct 30 15:25:27 <Leeds> then why are you trying to store a boolean in the form of an empty file?
Oct 30 15:25:38 <Leeds> as opposed to, say, a sharedpreference which is designed for this sort of thing
Oct 30 15:26:54 <pierpark> Am I being heard, or am I somehow invisible?
Oct 30 15:27:29 <fakingfantastic> I made a ZoomabableRelativeLayout, just an extension of RelLayout that can scale when you pinch -- it has a red bg. It's got an ImageView in it. When I pinch, how come i can see the red background, shouldn't it be scaling the layout?
Oct 30 15:27:51 <Leeds> pierpark: just because nobody answers your somewhat-complex question in a couple of minutes doesn't mean you're invisible
Oct 30 15:28:34 <pierpark> Leeds: No no... that's perfectly okay. I just had said a few things last night and thought maybe this new install of this client might have kept me silent. Thanks for responding!
Oct 30 15:28:53 <pierpark> Leeds: should have worded my question differently... wasn't trying to be rude.
Oct 30 15:29:05 <Leeds> fair enough :)
Oct 30 15:30:35 <Leeds> pierpark: for that matter, I seem to have shocked superlinux-hp into silence...
Oct 30 15:31:08 <pierpark> Haha. It happens.
Oct 30 15:32:14 <pierpark> I found this channel about a month ago. About how many regular's hang around here? I try to keep a connection but I had some client trouble and had to get that resolved, so I've been AWOL for about a week or so now.
Oct 30 15:33:12 <Leeds> 10-20 regulars, maybe... lots of people come in, ask a question or two and vanish
Oct 30 15:34:50 <pierpark> I hear that. I've gotten some pretty good help in here once from ... can't remember, but I want to say "sampulla" ? So I tried to hang around and help out others that 'came and went' that same night on JSON parsing. I'd rather participate and learn all I can learn, than to get a quick fix and hit the road.
Oct 30 15:35:43 <sebrock> what is the integer in Input.GetTouch(int)??
Oct 30 15:35:46 <f2prateek> pierpark: where did you add the final keyword again?
Oct 30 15:36:24 <pierpark> f2preteek: Eclipse suggested, and it added "final" to: public void draw(final Canvas canvas, MapView mapView, boolean shadow) {
Oct 30 15:37:05 <f2prateek> pierpark: and what was the issue after that?
Oct 30 15:37:38 <Leeds> sebrock: what is Input.getTouch()?
Oct 30 15:38:30 <f2prateek> isnt that an ios ting?
Oct 30 15:38:33 <f2prateek> *thing
Oct 30 15:39:01 <Leeds> f2prateek: that's why I'm asking... I don't think it's an Android thing
Oct 30 15:39:12 <pierpark> f2prateek: If the aq.ajax line, as well as the @Override public void callback are out of the question, then 'final' is not required on the Canvas canvas line mentioned... It will successfully place all of those markers (sicko_marker drawable). Once I add in the aq.ajax (tested for returned result = positive), and modify canvas to final, I don't even get a single marker.
Oct 30 15:41:28 <Leeds> sebrock: ?
Oct 30 15:41:45 <sebrock> wrong channel Leeds sorry
Oct 30 15:41:51 <pierpark> f2prateek: the goal was to implement my asynchronous download of different markers using AQuery (aq.ajax(url...) and place those onto the map... I had done this another way, but adding 20 little thumbnails of photos bogged the map down to an absolute crawl. Here, I can add 100 sicko_marker drawable's without any hassle... but I was going to try and load in the downloaded returned Bitmap
Oct 30 15:41:51 <pierpark> bmp. But, to get back to the hardcoded/drawable .... After adding the aq.ajax method in there, having to change Canvas canvas to final Canvas canvas, no markers.
Oct 30 15:44:17 <pierpark> f2prateek: I'd love to find an example of a non-bogged-down-to-a-crawl way to download a "photo" (tiny little 1kb thumbs) to use in place of just adding typical drawable markers. I'm needing to add faces of local thuglings rather than a flag, if I can get to that goal without a few more days of brain-frying.
Oct 30 15:44:33 <Moskito> aren't fragments added to a fragment container using a FragmentTransaction immediately available in the view?
Oct 30 15:44:44 <freeone3000> pierpark: Do it off of the application thread.
Oct 30 15:45:26 <f2prateek> pierpark: i'm not too familiar with using maps in my apps, but if i had do it, I would use the polaris library and the URLImageViewHelper to get your result
Oct 30 15:45:44 <pierpark> f2prateek: I'll go look that up. Thanks for the tip.
Oct 30 15:46:43 <Moskito> or in other words, why won't this work?: http://pastebin.com/xdDAyha9
Oct 30 15:46:48 <f2prateek> pierpark: or, to work with your existing code, maybe https://github.com/koush/AndroidAsync to download the images and set them as drawables.
Oct 30 15:47:25 <pierpark> freeone3000: I think that I am, other than using the AQuery library (which is solid gold, btw) to bring in the image from the web. I use it in a dozen other areas and it works flawlessly... However, I'm not even attempting to load the downloaded URL image yet... but simply to use the callback to try to get my already-working drawable marker to show up. It just disappears when Canvas canvas
Oct 30 15:47:25 <pierpark> is set to final?
Oct 30 15:47:38 <pierpark> f2prateek: Thanks I'll go there now and take a look.
Oct 30 15:48:22 <DysonReturns> seems everyone has their own preference for displaying online images in an imageview
Oct 30 15:49:31 <pierpark> f2prateek, freeone3000: brb guys. I have a phone call... those annoying interruptions :)
Oct 30 15:49:41 <f2prateek> pierpark: I would try to get the result with one of the libraries, and then maybe make changes to the code for your specific application
Oct 30 15:50:36 <pierpark> f2prateek: will do. I'm incredibly lost and new still to Android development.. and of course this would be the last thing standing in my way on this app. :/ brb
Oct 30 15:52:44 <boily> hi all!
Oct 30 16:02:30 <Syaoran-kun> So, about the Bluetooth Headset with LCD attached to my Android 4.0.4 device... Is just create a private final BluetoothA2dp a2dp to send a string to the screen? Is something like a method a2dp.setLCDtext("something")?
Oct 30 16:04:54 <fakingfantastic> If i need to make a map that you can pan / zoom, with clickable pins on it… Should that be a RelLayout w\ an ImageView for map, and then image buttons for the pins?
Oct 30 16:06:05 <dzan> is there some general way to execute code when you app gets resumed?
Oct 30 16:06:14 <dzan> ( instead of onResume in each activity )
Oct 30 16:08:48 <JakeWharton> onResume in a base activity?
Oct 30 16:11:24 <ddreamer0> what's the best way of obtaining a unique device identifier ? (for identifying my device for pushes)
Oct 30 16:11:26 <dzan> JakeWharton, yeah well my inheritance structure isn't optimal :p
Oct 30 16:13:49 <dzan> also JakeWharton that would be triggered between activities, not only when app is resumed from outside
Oct 30 16:15:05 <Sculptor> has anyone played around with inkscape scripting support
Oct 30 16:15:27 <Sculptor> i want to make a script that'll render my icons automatically
Oct 30 16:19:47 <mrenouf|work> What is the "right" way to do a "refreshing" actionbar indicator, using ABS, etc. ? I'm really unsure what setProgressBarIndeterminate(true) really does.
Oct 30 16:20:39 <mrenouf|work> What I think I want is for my refresh action item to change to a progress spinner, then back. but it may be the case that it's in the overflow. so what then?
Oct 30 16:21:05 <Xeli> does anyone know of any benchmarks regarding performance between using the APK Expansion Zip library vs just unzipping the exp. file?
Oct 30 16:21:18 <evancharlton> mrenouf|work: dynamically set it to showAsAction="always"?
Oct 30 16:22:28 <RazielZ> Alright, httpconnection is really going full retard.
Oct 30 16:23:01 <RazielZ> 10 hours ago it wasn't connecting properly and was showing some <!HTML DOCTYPE... crap instead of the file I had it connect to
Oct 30 16:23:09 <RazielZ> Then it suddenly worked without me changing anything
Oct 30 16:23:14 <RazielZ> Now it's not working again
Oct 30 16:23:24 <mrenouf|work> evancharlton, good idea. Ok, so what about FEATURE_INDETERMINATE_PROGRESS ? What does that do in the context of ActionBar? I can only find screenshots of how it used to add a progress spinner on the edge of the title bar. does it still work the same way?
Oct 30 16:23:31 <f2prateek> mrenouf|work: setSupportProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility is never in the overflow
Oct 30 16:23:34 <RazielZ> But the server works fine off the phone's browser and everything, and it can see the file
Oct 30 16:23:44 <f2prateek> mrenouf|away: its at the top of the action bar
Oct 30 16:24:02 <mrenouf|work> f2prateek, how do you mean, the top?
Oct 30 16:24:04 <shmooz> mrenouf|work: indeterminate means it doesn't know the percentage to completion
Oct 30 16:24:18 <mrenouf|work> shmooz, that much I know :-)
Oct 30 16:24:45 <f2prateek> mrenouf|work: look at the actionbar sherlock samples (or the api demos if you wan to comiple it yourself). it has a working example and code
Oct 30 16:24:48 <mrenouf|work> guess I'll have to try it and see
Oct 30 16:25:02 <mrenouf|work> docs/guides need more screenshots
Oct 30 16:25:22 <f2prateek> mrenouf|work: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.actionbarsherlock.sample.demos&hl=en
Oct 30 16:25:31 <Escherial> question: i've put a ton of work into saving call events into a database, all for the purpose of uploading them to a server later
Oct 30 16:26:00 <Escherial> i now learn that the call and text logs are available as contentproviders...do i just scrap all the app-local caching i've done and read from those directly to upload, or should i still be caching stuff?
Oct 30 16:26:23 <Escherial> (so instead of catching intents, i'd just read from the contentproviders each time my upload service runs, i guess)
Oct 30 16:28:05 <RazielZ> Aaand now it randomly works again.
Oct 30 16:28:07 <RazielZ> Mmk :/
Oct 30 16:31:19 <RazielZ> And now it breaks in the same way on a different page
Oct 30 16:33:21 <dzan> so is there a callback for "bring to front" in android? ( not onresume which would be fired for each new activity start )
Oct 30 16:34:26 <RazielZ> And now I get Connection reset by peer
Oct 30 16:34:30 <RazielZ> Is my server being shit?
Oct 30 16:41:32 <RazielZ> Invalid int: ""
Oct 30 16:41:49 <RazielZ> This is retarded, it just keeps randomly breaking at different points of getting files
Oct 30 16:42:12 <RazielZ> How do I force it to clear web/dns cache?
Oct 30 16:42:26 <shmooz> RazielZ:  maybe it needs to escape special characters somehow
Oct 30 16:42:37 <RazielZ> Nah, problem is it apparently opens a whole different page than what I tell it to
Oct 30 16:42:55 <RazielZ> Like, it has absolutely nothing to do with the page that it's supposed to open
Oct 30 16:43:00 <RazielZ> If I open in browser it works fine tho.
Oct 30 16:45:54 <Leeds> RazielZ: then work out what you're doing wrong
Oct 30 16:46:07 <Leeds> because it's absolutely not normal to not get the page you request
Oct 30 16:46:24 <RazielZ> http://pastebin.com/eHk8N9Yu
Oct 30 16:46:54 <RazielZ> When I debug, and I look at the buffer of reader and at line, it has contents that are in no way on the page URL points to.
Oct 30 16:47:45 <RazielZ> What can I be doing wrong in that?
Oct 30 16:49:26 <Leeds> I don't know
Oct 30 16:49:32 <sampullman> are you sure the page doesn't redirect?
Oct 30 16:49:48 <sampullman> i forget the response code, but you can check for that
Oct 30 16:49:50 <RazielZ> java.net.SocketException: recvfrom failed: ECONNRESET (Connection reset by peer)
Oct 30 16:49:53 <RazielZ> Now I just got this.
Oct 30 16:50:02 <RazielZ> I guess my server is being horrible to android for some reason.
Oct 30 16:50:27 <RazielZ> So this time it pretty much didn't even connect
Oct 30 16:50:37 <Leeds> is it your server?
Oct 30 16:51:00 <RazielZ> It's x10hosting free
Oct 30 16:51:02 <RazielZ> Because I'm poor.
Oct 30 16:51:06 <RazielZ> >.>
Oct 30 16:51:59 <RazielZ> If anyone has any other suggestions of a free host that can do this (hosting pretty small files) better, you can tell me.
Oct 30 16:51:59 <RazielZ> lol
Oct 30 16:52:04 <Leeds> could they be trying to inject ads or something?
Oct 30 16:52:26 <sampullman> im poor too, but i use a small orange
Oct 30 16:52:39 <sampullman> it's 35/year for a half decent basic plan
Oct 30 16:53:02 <RazielZ> Well they don't seem to be trying to insert any ads, tried with firefox, chrome, android browser and the link just opens directly
Oct 30 16:53:03 <Leeds> I just signed up for a tiny tiny VPS - US$15 per year for a virtual server
Oct 30 16:53:11 <RazielZ> And it's a .txt file anyway
Oct 30 16:53:18 <Leeds> it's not a txt file
Oct 30 16:53:19 <sampullman> use dropbox?
Oct 30 16:53:24 <Leeds> it might end in .txt but it's HMTL
Oct 30 16:53:26 <Leeds> HTML
Oct 30 16:53:39 <sampullman> dropbox is great for static hosting (and free)
Oct 30 16:56:23 <RazielZ> Don't see why dropbox really needs to have a client of its own on my PC, but fine
Oct 30 16:57:07 <sampullman> it allows for some nice things
Oct 30 16:58:57 <docmur> Is there a way to figure out what item was clicked in a view?  The problem is the searchbar is auto focued so when I click anything onDismiss is thrown which is killing everything
Oct 30 17:01:06 <tuxick> docmur: wasn't that a job for onClick?
Oct 30 17:01:50 <fakingfantastic> If i need to make a map that you can pan / zoom, with clickable pins on it… Should that be a RelLayout w\ an ImageView for map, and then image buttons for the pins?
Oct 30 17:02:02 <docmur> well with the first bar I need to detect when it's Dismissed, the issue is that the page starts with the searbar focused so when you click anything the search bar calles onDimiss
Oct 30 17:02:18 <sampullman> fakingfantastic: that's one way to do it, sure
Oct 30 17:03:48 <fakingfantastic> sampullman: thanks man -- new to Android, glad to hear I'm on the right track. Now what if I need pan / zoom ability to be added to that RelLayout?
Oct 30 17:04:23 <sampullman> oh, i misread initially
Oct 30 17:05:00 <sampullman> actually, you don't need to do any of that stuff
Oct 30 17:05:34 <sampullman> there may be a more fragment oriented approach these days, but this should fit your basic map needs: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/hello-mapview
Oct 30 17:07:39 <dlaroche> Can someone explain net 30 terms?
Oct 30 17:08:17 <fakingfantastic> sampullman: Yea, so this isn't exactly using a map like that. It's a "property map" of a resort, and the pins are just places of interest (Gym, Lobby, Pool…)
Oct 30 17:09:16 <evancharlton> dlaroche: what?
Oct 30 17:09:21 <sampullman> if i recall it's possible to reuse google's map interface for your own maps
Oct 30 17:09:23 <fakingfantastic> sampullman: I should have mentioned that
Oct 30 17:09:41 <sampullman> otherwise, your initial method should work fine
Oct 30 17:10:07 <dioHere> I am trying to show an alert dialog. I have android devices with systems 2.2 3.2 and 4.0. Through the code I do android.view.WindowManager.LayoutParams WMLP = alert.getWindow().getAttributes(); and after that I do WMLP.gravity = Gravity.TOP | Gravity.LEFT; and with the same pattern I set the x,y,width and height of the window and at the end  alert.getWindow().setAttributes(WMLP);. In each device it appears completely different a
Oct 30 17:10:20 <Estel> ha, it's pretty amusing that there's now an xxhdpi bucket for the Nexus 10
Oct 30 17:10:31 <canadiancow> theres been xxhdpi for a while
Oct 30 17:10:39 <Estel> WHat's used it?
Oct 30 17:10:46 <dlaroche> evancharlton: I'm having issues with getting a payment from Airpush. They claim that payments will be issued on Oct. 31st, however, according to their developer agreement on section 7(c) it states that payments will be issued within 30 days of the applicable month. I was just trying to get some other developers input on the matter
Oct 30 17:11:02 <canadiancow> nothing has used it, but it's been there
Oct 30 17:11:11 <fakingfantastic> sampullman: Thanks man, ill look into it
Oct 30 17:11:11 <canadiancow> and i'd hardly say the n10 "uses" it
Oct 30 17:11:18 <canadiancow> it uses it for icons, and thats about it
Oct 30 17:11:30 <Estel> That's totally using it >_>
Oct 30 17:12:06 <RazielZ> Uuuh
Oct 30 17:12:16 <RazielZ> So how do I configure a folder in dropbox for direct access?
Oct 30 17:12:27 <sampullman> share/make it public
Oct 30 17:12:45 <sampullman> then replace the www in the share link with dl
Oct 30 17:13:19 <RazielZ> Oh, yeah, share link and replacing the www with dl seems to work
Oct 30 17:13:59 <RazielZ> But each file/folder has a different weird code in the address >.>
Oct 30 17:14:05 <sampullman> yup
Oct 30 17:14:22 <RazielZ> Well that's bad, since I need to load them somewhat dynamically.
Oct 30 17:14:36 <sampullman> well, shoulda mentioned that in the first place :p
Oct 30 17:14:47 <RazielZ> I didn't think it would be THIS static
Oct 30 17:14:48 <RazielZ> lol
Oct 30 17:15:24 <dioHere> Does anybody know how to help me please?
Oct 30 17:15:55 <sampullman> delete your facebook
Oct 30 17:16:27 <shmooz> dioHere: which layout are you using ?
Oct 30 17:16:40 <sampullman> oh, heh, i thought you just said that without asking anything
Oct 30 17:17:03 <sampullman> are you converting pixels to dip? sounds like that's the issue
Oct 30 17:17:23 <dioHere> shmooz you mean which dialog? I am using AlertDialog
Oct 30 17:17:37 <shmooz> it should be wrapped with a layout
Oct 30 17:18:46 <dioHere> shmooz it's a linearlayout
Oct 30 17:19:18 <mrenouf|work> Ok. so in playing with the ABS demo I can see how it inserts into the front of the action items
Oct 30 17:19:28 <mrenouf|work> the indeterminate progress
Oct 30 17:19:58 <mrenouf|work> so i guess I can hide/show my refresh button and it should look like the refresh changes to a progress
Oct 30 17:20:22 <sampullman> dioHere: are you setting your x/y/w/h using dips?
Oct 30 17:20:38 <mrenouf|work> seems like its more trouble than it's worth, that I can just set an action view over the refresh button menu item temorarily
Oct 30 17:21:32 <dioHere> sampullman no. I am doing it like this	 WMLP.width=1600; 	WMLP.height=960;
Oct 30 17:21:39 <sampullman> that's your issue, then
Oct 30 17:22:06 <dioHere> sampullman how can I set this to dips through code?
Oct 30 17:22:13 <sampullman> you're assuming all devices have exactly the same resolution
Oct 30 17:22:39 <sampullman> dioHere: https://www.google.com/search?q=android+convert+pixels+to+dip
Oct 30 17:22:59 <dioHere> umm yes.. The truth is that I am using andengine and the layout is shown through an alertdialog
Oct 30 17:23:29 <sampullman> that's great, but should be irrelevant
Oct 30 17:24:30 <dioHere> sampullman I will try this out now. thank you! So you think that when I convert these values to dips then it will be ok?
Oct 30 17:24:46 <sampullman> well, that will solve at least one of your problems
Oct 30 17:25:26 <dioHere> when I set the x and y to certain positions, these positions should be set with dips too?
Oct 30 17:26:20 <mrenouf|work> do I need to call invalidateOptionsMenu if I make changes in onOptionsItemSelected?
Oct 30 17:26:51 <Aviram> Hello
Oct 30 17:27:57 <docmur> does anyone know a good library to make a simple slide screen?  I tried a few that don't work, I want to have it where I click a button and a screen slides in
Oct 30 17:28:17 <evancharlton> docmur: you don't need a library for that
Oct 30 17:28:46 <Aviram> I have an app on my device which can read certain nfc cards which no other apps can, I wonder how I can get the way to read the cards the app can?
Oct 30 17:31:53 <docmur> so how can I got about doing it?
Oct 30 17:32:26 <sampullman> dioHere: sorry, yes. you should never deal directly in pixels
Oct 30 17:32:29 <sampullman> *almost never
Oct 30 17:32:46 <mrenouf|work> Does anyone know if Google Play Services can be downloaded from the market for Android 2.1 devices?
Oct 30 17:32:56 <Aviram> Anyone has an idea what I can do?
Oct 30 17:34:51 <mrenouf|work> oh, n/m it's 2.2+
Oct 30 17:34:59 <osxorgate> Aviram: define 'read' ? detect the cards? or make sense of whats on them
Oct 30 17:35:21 <Aviram> I want to make sense of whats on them
Oct 30 17:35:46 <osxorgate> well then it should be obvious, the programmer took into account more possibilities
Oct 30 17:35:57 <dioHere> sampullman I was working with pixels because of the andengine. all the examples were using pixels and I have never used dips
Oct 30 17:35:59 <f2prateek> is there built in support in the actionbar for having a checkbox or switch?
Oct 30 17:36:55 <Aviram> The thing is the card is of some transit company but the app is 3rd party
Oct 30 17:38:31 <Aviram> If I decompile the app I would be able to see the method of reading it no?
Oct 30 17:41:16 <RazielZ> So
Oct 30 17:41:27 <RazielZ> I changed the addresses to another domain that points to the exact same host
Oct 30 17:41:29 <RazielZ> And it works now.
Oct 30 17:41:45 <RazielZ> So how can I just force it to flush the dns/cache associated to that domain when it starts up?
Oct 30 17:41:48 <RazielZ> Because it's obviously crap.
Oct 30 17:48:22 <brx_> amanager.getStreamVolume(AudioManager.STREAM_RING); always returns 0 for me
Oct 30 17:49:07 <mrenouf|work> Hmm, maybe time to kick out Eclair users?
Oct 30 17:49:25 <mrenouf|work> srsly, get a new phone with Froyo at least... they're free
Oct 30 17:49:35 <SpeedEvil> no, they are not.
Oct 30 17:50:18 <mrenouf|work> hmm we have 0.86% Eclair users
Oct 30 17:50:34 <ClockworkAnt> There are so many eventbus libraries kicking about, its starting to get confusing
Oct 30 17:50:42 <SpeedEvil> may vary upwards in some markets
Oct 30 17:50:45 <mrenouf|work> SpeedEvil, I have some I'll send to people who whine :-)
Oct 30 17:51:00 <SpeedEvil> in the us, there are likely to be less
Oct 30 17:51:02 <mrenouf|work> ClockworkAnt, use Otto. I endorse it :-)
Oct 30 17:51:15 <thenovelist> This 50MB file size limit is craziness
Oct 30 17:51:27 <thenovelist> all it means is you have to jump through hoops to do weird crap to support Android > 50MB
Oct 30 17:51:30 <mrenouf|work> well, I'm looking at existing installed user base of our app
Oct 30 17:51:56 <ClockworkAnt> mrenouf|work, oh really, any reason you prefer it to greenrobot?
Oct 30 17:52:05 <ClockworkAnt> unless you work at square...
Oct 30 17:52:34 <mrenouf|work> ClockworkAnt, cause Jake is awesome. No, I don't work at square, but I use ABS and and then I found Otto and it works well for me.
Oct 30 17:52:59 <mrenouf|work> but choice is good, use what works best for you
Oct 30 17:53:21 <JakeWharton> GreenRobot is a really weird lib
Oct 30 17:53:26 <ClockworkAnt> mrenouf|work, agreed, jakes work is rather awesome, the greenrobot's reliance on naming convention worries me, I've tested otto, seemed pretty awesome
Oct 30 17:53:30 <zinx> thenovelist: what 50MB file size limit?
Oct 30 17:53:42 <thenovelist> apk's
Oct 30 17:53:43 <JakeWharton> yeah that's my big beef with their library
Oct 30 17:53:45 <pierpark> Quick question. I downloaded Solaris to give it a try, and it came from GitHub... It's an extracted folder, basically.. how do I reference my project to this to use as a libray?
Oct 30 17:53:54 <zinx> thenovelist: on Google Play?
Oct 30 17:53:55 <JakeWharton> they have a speed comparison which seems to indicate they may be sligtly faster
Oct 30 17:54:21 <JakeWharton> and we're working on things to hopefully make that a moot point anyways
Oct 30 17:54:22 <ClockworkAnt> I think the biggest speed distinction is the lack of annotations, so its faster on older devices
Oct 30 17:54:29 <mrenouf|work> naming convention? seems way too magical and prone to breakage
Oct 30 17:54:40 <ClockworkAnt> precisely!
Oct 30 17:54:47 <thenovelist> zinx: yes
Oct 30 17:54:55 <jasta> ohhhhh, interestign Application#registerActivityLifecycleCallbacks
Oct 30 17:54:57 <jasta> this could be very useful
Oct 30 17:55:22 <tnzr> can you have two TextChangedListeners on one EditText?
Oct 30 17:55:37 <zinx> thenovelist: typically stuff that's larger will have an extra package to download, and give the user a choice of internal or external memory
Oct 30 17:55:47 <JakeWharton> jasta: API 14+
Oct 30 17:55:50 <tnzr> for example: a PhoneNumberFormattingTextWatcher and some other custom TextWatcher for making sure data is entered?
Oct 30 17:55:57 <zinx> thenovelist: i shouldn't say package, since it's not an apk
Oct 30 17:56:06 <thenovelist> obb
Oct 30 17:56:31 <mrenouf|work> Yep, sorry eclair people. But I'm going to start using Google Play Services, so adios!
Oct 30 17:56:41 <mr_bono> can I expect "/system/xbin/lsusb" to work normally on Android?  or is it like ifconfig, where you have to use netcfg instead?
Oct 30 17:56:55 <mrenouf|work> I'm seeing a nice downward trend in installs of 2.1 all this month
Oct 30 17:57:08 <mrenouf|work> dropped by 20% just the last couple weeks
Oct 30 17:57:13 <jasta> JakeWharton: so? :)
Oct 30 17:57:53 <JakeWharton> heh, just pointing that out. usually it's a deal-breaker
Oct 30 17:59:03 <evancharlton> mrenouf|work: I came up with an awesome way to get fewer eclair installs the other day
Oct 30 17:59:10 <evancharlton> minSdkVersion="8"
Oct 30 17:59:21 <evancharlton> haven't had a single one since then :)
Oct 30 18:02:08 <mrenouf|work> evancharlton, nice :-) yeah. 228 uniques on 2.1 over the last month.
Oct 30 18:02:24 <mrenouf|work> so many hacks go away too
Oct 30 18:07:28 <docmur> Are there any good tutorials on making a slide menu?
Oct 30 18:07:59 <ClockworkAnt> Has anyone looked at the RoboSpice library? I like there idea to get away from the async task problems and improving the RestTemplate but the library seems massive, and with dependcies on guava I'm concerned it'll clash with Otto
Oct 30 18:08:18 <SimonVT> Depends if you by tutorial mean code you can copy paste, or articles about what to consider when making one
Oct 30 18:08:49 <docmur> just articles, I don't care about copy / pasting code, but a good guide would contain the code in the first place
Oct 30 18:08:56 <docmur> but I just need something to kick start my thinking
Oct 30 18:09:02 <SimonVT> http://android.cyrilmottier.com/?p=658
Oct 30 18:17:36 <RazielZ> SimonVT, my http connections are going to crap everywhere. What do?!
Oct 30 18:17:53 <SimonVT> Learn to code
Oct 30 18:18:00 <RazielZ> But I'm trying :(
Oct 30 18:18:17 <SimonVT> Try harder!
Oct 30 18:18:29 <RazielZ> It's literally randomly redirecting sometimes and sometimes it isn't and sometimes it does connection closed by peer
Oct 30 18:18:34 <RazielZ> And I have no idea if it's my host or what.
Oct 30 18:19:16 <RazielZ> Changing domain to another one worked for a bit and now one of them is redirecting to some random blank html document again
Oct 30 18:19:24 <RazielZ> But it doesn't do that in a browser or anything.
Oct 30 18:23:50 <sampullman> it's not "randomly" doing anything
Oct 30 18:24:09 <sampullman> look for the appropriate response codes, and act accordingly, etc
Oct 30 18:27:21 <f2prateek> I'm trying to get a checkbox in the actionbar using an action provider using this code. all I get is the text with the setting title. followed the actionbarsherlock samples more or less
Oct 30 18:27:26 <f2prateek> https://gist.github.com/3982054
Oct 30 18:28:45 <f2prateek> this is what it looks like https://www.dropbox.com/s/3u955wugj27sram/2012-10-30%2012.27.42.png (top right corner)
Oct 30 18:33:45 <g00s> the windows 8 / wp8 docs are very good. i like that they implement per-article comments on the website for help, and you can rate the page also.
Oct 30 18:33:55 <g00s> i think the android docs should have done this a long time ago
Oct 30 18:35:09 <whomp_> when i use google maps, the animations are fluid. when i use google's mapactivity, the animations are jerky. in particular, when i scroll quickly and then release, the mapview suddenly slows down. what's the issue here?
Oct 30 18:36:53 <whomp_> the yelp app has the same issue, but i'm wondering what the fix is
Oct 30 18:37:01 <Escherial> meh, can any of you think of a downside of uploading the call and text logs from the system's contentprovider for each rather than catching and logging the intents that calls/texts fire?
Oct 30 18:37:08 <MDijkstra> whomp_: depends on the context for the mapactivity
Oct 30 18:37:21 <Escherial> i'm probably going to be extremely depressed if i can't figure this out :\
Oct 30 18:37:48 <MDijkstra> whomp_: whether it enables 3d acceleration, whether the app using it does background stuff
Oct 30 18:37:51 <MDijkstra> etc etc
Oct 30 18:38:18 <MDijkstra> Escherial: uploading as in sending over the network?
Oct 30 18:42:35 <mrenouf|work> g00s, yeah I remember way back that php.net had this and always found it valuable.
Oct 30 18:43:09 <mrenouf|work> g00s, well at least as long as I found php valuable... which was for about a year or two until I learned Java.
Oct 30 18:44:56 <shmooz> php and java serve different purposes for me
Oct 30 18:46:00 <JakeWharton> g00s: that's an awful idea. have you seen the bug tracker?
Oct 30 18:49:00 <JakeWharton> there might be 1% useful information on the bug tracker and even that's a stretch. Just image that on every doc page with all of the people who don't bother reading or trying anything and expect everything to be done for them.
Oct 30 18:49:02 * JakeWharton shudders
Oct 30 18:49:46 <Syaoran-kun> Anyone can please explain me how to use BluetoothA2dp to write a string to a Bluetooth Headset LCD?
Oct 30 18:51:13 <g00s> JakeWharton: you have a point, but it can be curated. almost all social stuff goes to shit w/o curation anyhow. i prefer the wiki way
Oct 30 18:51:34 <g00s> presumably if you d/l the docs you dont get comments; dunno haven't tried yet
Oct 30 18:53:12 <chinmaya> i want to know if it is really essential to write unit testing for android app while development ?
Oct 30 18:53:23 <JakeWharton> it is not essential, but it is extremely wise
Oct 30 18:54:23 <chinmaya> JakeWharton, we dont write unit tests , our QA guy does the testing ..any post to explain why it is wise ?
Oct 30 18:55:17 <g00s> ..
Oct 30 18:55:33 <birbeck> if your qa guy doesnt know why unit tests are wise, um, fire him to put it nicely
Oct 30 18:56:56 <birbeck> and if you want to be sure your code works correctly and fails as expected, you would be wise to write unit tests yourself
Oct 30 18:57:47 <g00s> cool, so Google Analytics Mobile App Analytics moved into open beta
Oct 30 18:57:56 <g00s> thats a mouthful
Oct 30 18:58:01 <birbeck> :)
Oct 30 18:59:06 <Syaoran-kun> I have an style <style name="Theme.MyTheme" parent="android:Theme">(...)</style> and in my manifiest <activity android:theme="@style/Theme.MyTheme">, how can I combine the android:Theme with android:Theme.Holo to have component of both themes? e.g. Buttons from android:Theme.Holo and dialogs from android:Theme.
Oct 30 19:00:34 <birbeck> you want a holo interface with gingerbread dialogs?
Oct 30 19:03:48 <Syaoran-kun> I'm specially interested in the android:Theme title bar height size and the buttons style of android:Theme.Holo, among other things that are better in one or other theme.
Oct 30 19:05:50 <birbeck> look at android.R.attr to get the attributes you want, also the default theme.xml files will help. create a new custom theme for your dialogs that uses Theme.Dialog instead of Theme.Holo.Dialog as a parent
Oct 30 19:06:22 <birbeck> though i would advise to keep holo dialogs in a holo interface :)
Oct 30 19:07:03 <birbeck> bbl
Oct 30 19:11:26 <Syaoran-kun> Okay, the custom theme for the dialogs is something like <style name="Theme.MyDialogsTheme" parent="android:Theme.Holo.Dialog">(...)</style>, but where I call my custom theme? I can only call one style per manifiest, right?
Oct 30 19:12:05 <whomp_> MDijkstra, i controlled for that by only running an extremely minimal mapactivity
Oct 30 19:12:33 <MDijkstra> whomp_: which API level are you targeting?
Oct 30 19:12:37 <whomp_> 15
Oct 30 19:12:56 <whomp_> the same api that i ran maps on
Oct 30 19:13:05 <MDijkstra> that doesn't matter
Oct 30 19:13:20 <MDijkstra> you don't 'run' an app on an api lvl
Oct 30 19:13:35 <MDijkstra> but it does matter which it specifies for things like hw acceleration
Oct 30 19:13:41 <whomp_> pedantic...
Oct 30 19:13:51 <MDijkstra> whomp_: important distinction
Oct 30 19:13:58 <MDijkstra> not pedantic
Oct 30 19:14:58 <whomp_> the point is, maps is running in the same environment as my app and they animate differently
Oct 30 19:14:59 <whomp_> regardless
Oct 30 19:15:19 <MDijkstra> your environment is? 4.1?
Oct 30 19:15:25 <whomp_> yes
Oct 30 19:15:33 <MDijkstra> then they're not running in the same environment
Oct 30 19:15:38 <MDijkstra> which was my exact point
Oct 30 19:15:58 <whomp_> how is it different
Oct 30 19:16:04 <MDijkstra> which api level you target influences how the system runs the app
Oct 30 19:16:08 <whomp_> maybe we have different ideas of what the environment is
Oct 30 19:16:19 <whomp_> android:targetSdkVersion="15"
Oct 30 19:16:51 <MDijkstra> yes, 4.1 is 16, and the official maps app may well target 2.2 or whatever
Oct 30 19:17:09 <MDijkstra> meaning it could get handled differently
Oct 30 19:17:29 <MDijkstra> err, 16, not 2.2
Oct 30 19:18:00 <MDijkstra> I don't think this should influence the performance of the mapactivity in this case
Oct 30 19:18:06 <MDijkstra> but the distinction is rather important
Oct 30 19:18:23 <whomp_> my bad i thought 4.1 was 1
Oct 30 19:18:24 <whomp_> 15
Oct 30 19:18:37 <whomp_> i'm on 16, and i tested it on 16, and it still has the same issue
Oct 30 19:20:54 <boily> Hi all! Whenever I try to make a reference to an external library in a project in Eclipse (Project props -> Android -> Add...), aapt segfaults on project rebuild and I lose my R files.
Oct 30 19:21:28 <boily> This behavious is consistent across multiple external libraries, like Facebook and Action Bar Sherlock. Do anyone have any idea about what is going on?
Oct 30 19:22:01 <g00s> whomp_: are you saying that the official map app is smoother ?
Oct 30 19:22:47 <whomp_> i even tested it with a target version of 8, and it still had the issue
Oct 30 19:23:06 <MDijkstra> whomp_: that will turn off 3d acceleration, even if you're running on newer android
Oct 30 19:23:43 <meetoman> JakeWharton, can you have both ListNavigation and TabNavigation?
Oct 30 19:24:16 <whomp_> g00s, yes
Oct 30 19:24:28 <MDijkstra> anyway, I simply mentioned it because it's important to understand that the target API level influences how the app runs, rather than just the android version you test on
Oct 30 19:24:40 <g00s> whomp_: i dont think the official map app even uses MapActivity, so its probably a different design entirely
Oct 30 19:24:47 <whomp_> MDijkstra, so i've run it with a target sdk version of 8, 15, and 16, and in each case the issue persists
Oct 30 19:25:02 <MDijkstra> yeah, as I said it's probably not the cause in this case
Oct 30 19:25:17 <whomp_> well google messed the map activity up then, because it is far more jerky than the maps app
Oct 30 19:26:00 <whomp_> you can try it on the yelp app by using their map (which surely uses mapactivity) and comparing to maps
Oct 30 19:26:12 <dragorn> whomp_: maps api is not the google maps app code
Oct 30 19:26:41 <whomp_> i know
Oct 30 19:26:56 <dragorn> whomp_: the maps api we can all use is the old tile based stuff, no offline cache, etc.
Oct 30 19:26:58 <mrenouf|work> meetoman, not simultaneously
Oct 30 19:27:12 <dragorn> whomp_: so you can't really compare the performance of mapactivity to the google maps official app
Oct 30 19:27:16 <Syaoran-kun> birbeck: Okay, the custom theme for the dialogs is something like <style name="Theme.MyDialogsTheme" parent="android:Theme.Holo.Dialog">(...)</style>, but where I call my custom theme? I can only call one style per manifiest, right?
Oct 30 19:27:29 <whomp_> i'm wondering if there's a workaround to this, so my map can approach the smoothness of the google stuff
Oct 30 19:27:42 <dragorn> whomp_: the workaround is:  "wait until google releases a new maps api package"
Oct 30 19:27:54 <dragorn> you also can't make a map in a fragment right now, use vector stuff, etc.
Oct 30 19:28:05 <SpeedEvil> or use an alternative map source
Oct 30 19:28:11 <mrenouf|work> dragorn, (without disgusting hacks)
Oct 30 19:28:11 <dragorn> yup
Oct 30 19:28:13 <meetoman> mrenouf|work, I need it to run simultaneously, any idea how?
Oct 30 19:28:20 <dragorn> mrenouf|away: I didn't get the hacks to play nice either
Oct 30 19:28:24 <dragorn> mrenouf|away: for the amount of time I cared
Oct 30 19:28:26 <JakeWharton> meetoman: no
Oct 30 19:28:27 <mrenouf|work> meetoman, you want both listmode and tabmode at the same time?
Oct 30 19:28:30 <whomp_> weird. it's weird it was even that jerky in the first place
Oct 30 19:28:35 <mrenouf|work> why?!
Oct 30 19:28:53 <meetoman> mrenouf|work, 2 different controls, Tabview will display different stuff than the list
Oct 30 19:28:53 <mrenouf|work> you'll need to add a custom ActionView beyond the built in support
Oct 30 19:29:01 <meetoman> might have to make a custom control
Oct 30 19:29:05 <meetoman> yah, that's what I was gona say
Oct 30 19:29:30 <dragorn> meetoman: one activity pane, with tabs on top and list on bottom?  (or something like that?)
Oct 30 19:30:41 <meetoman> dragorn, i just need another list of items
Oct 30 19:30:43 <meetoman> to be exact
Oct 30 19:30:48 <meetoman> breakfast, lunch, and dinner
Oct 30 19:30:52 <meetoman> to be displayed on the actionbar
Oct 30 19:30:58 <meetoman> so user knows which one they are in
Oct 30 19:31:08 <dragorn> meetoman: ah.  Not sure I can envision what you're trying to do.
Oct 30 19:31:51 <meetoman> the list i am using is not really for navigation, more just for instant controls
Oct 30 19:31:55 <meetoman> trust me, I didnt design this
Oct 30 19:32:16 <Syaoran-kun> Hello. I have a Bluetooth Headset with LCD attached to my Android 4.0.4 device. I want to send a test string to that headset screen. How can I achieve this? I can't found any documentation about this process.
Oct 30 19:33:25 <JulienDev> Is anyone can explain me how to use CursorLoader with FragmentPagerAdapter?
Oct 30 19:35:29 <mdkess> I have a custom View that draws a bitmap which is created in the constructor in dispatchDraw(). How can I get this view to display in the UI designer with a placeholder image?
Oct 30 19:35:42 <dragorn> Syaoran-kun: as I said before, there is the a2dp class, but afaik there is no way to do that
Oct 30 19:36:04 <dragorn> Syaoran-kun: if it uses rfcomm to get the text, you can do that.  Otherwise there isn't much you can do with bluetooth
Oct 30 19:36:50 <Syaoran-kun> dragorn: Any sample to test?
Oct 30 19:37:08 <dragorn> Syaoran-kun: rfcomm?  there's a bunch of stuff out there.  Blueterm is one.
Oct 30 19:38:35 <Syaoran-kun> dragorn: Okay, I'll check. I saw your reply before but I was expecting some more information. Thanks.
Oct 30 19:39:07 <doogan> JulienDev: check this out http://tumble.mlcastle.net/post/25875136857/bridging-cursorloaders-and-viewpagers-on-android
Oct 30 19:39:13 <dragorn> no, that's really all there is.  if it isn't in d.android.com you're pretty much stuck, though you can always look at the aosp code and see if they have any mechanism in there you can use via reflection
Oct 30 19:41:50 <boily> do anyone else here had problems with aapt segfaulting?
Oct 30 19:42:17 <docmur> Has anyone here been able to import Actionbar Sherlock into InetlliJ IDE?  I got 99% of the way but I can't seem to add android:theme="@style/Theme.Sherlock" to my Manifest file, it can't find @style/Theme ... but it can auto complete it for me
Oct 30 19:43:01 <JulienDev> doogan: Thanks very much, I was not able to find something :)
Oct 30 19:43:13 <doogan> right on
Oct 30 19:49:08 <fakingfantastic> Can some kind soul help me out here? http://pastie.org/5139144 mOrigPosX is being set on line 9 (as per the log), but it's always 0 in the ACTION_MOVE case.
Oct 30 19:49:38 <fakingfantastic> Oh duh, wow, don't answer that
Oct 30 19:50:31 <Syaoran-kun> Now, about the themes combination, the custom theme for the dialogs is something like <style name="Theme.MyDialogsTheme" parent="android:Theme.Holo.Dialog">(...)</style>, and the custom theme for the other widgets is <style name="Theme.MyTheme" parent="android:Theme">(...)</style>, where I call my custom dialog theme? I can only call one style per manifiest in the activity and that line
Oct 30 19:50:31 <Syaoran-kun> was used with the <activity android:theme="@style/Theme.MyTheme">.
Oct 30 19:56:36 <newsham> can I put a permission on the MAIN/LAUNCHER intent so that no other application could start up my activity, but the user could still do so from the GUI?
Oct 30 19:57:57 <zax55> ok, now working :)
Oct 30 19:58:01 <zax55> hello my friends
Oct 30 19:58:52 <zax55> i;m a newbie, but i need to trigger an URL command to a camera on click, ie. "http://192.168.1.15/cgi-bin/camctrl.cgi?move=right", how to do that "in background" or something ?
Oct 30 19:59:29 <zax55> i looked in the docs, but there's a plenty of information how to send it to browser, and i don;t want to do that
Oct 30 19:59:35 <zax55> thank You in advance
Oct 30 20:01:24 <maslen> zax55: What you (probably) want is a simple HTTP GET request
Oct 30 20:01:27 * maslen looks it up
Oct 30 20:01:38 <zax55> maslen, please, help me solve that
Oct 30 20:02:08 <maslen> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/client/methods/HttpGet.html looks relevant
Oct 30 20:02:45 <RustyShackleford> so I have a ListView with 8 items, each with a different background. I subclassed ArrayAdapter and overrode the getView() method
Oct 30 20:03:02 <RustyShackleford> now when I click on the items, they no longer get highlighted
Oct 30 20:03:26 <zax55> thank You, I'm reading now
Oct 30 20:10:40 <docmur> Can anyone actualyl see what my error is http://pastebin.com/gw7fGC7w, I know there is a class exeception but I can't figure out what line it's on
Oct 30 20:12:26 <Masano> Hi, does anyone know how to start USB tether programmatically? I have tried with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7509924/detect-usb-tethering-on-android but the no avaiable tetherableIfaces are found =(
Oct 30 20:13:49 * ctate | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(7454): FATAL EXCEPTION: main java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{com.androidcom.android.naccvp.CVPSearchActivity}: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException
Oct 30 20:13:57 <ctate> docmur: that's your error.
Oct 30 20:13:59 <qkzoo1978> Somebody help me out here please, what is the name of the widget you see that spins to let you know something is going on in the background.  I'm having a brain fart.
Oct 30 20:14:11 <docmur> But what's causing it
Oct 30 20:14:12 <ctate> the activity class it's been told to launch doesn't exist
Oct 30 20:14:17 <ctate> or the class is not declared public in java
Oct 30 20:14:18 <factory81> hey
Oct 30 20:14:28 <ctate> or there's a typo in the manifest and that is not exactly the right class name
Oct 30 20:14:29 <ctate> etc
Oct 30 20:14:35 <factory81> is there a fucking science to zipping up your android project and submitting it for homework?
Oct 30 20:14:38 <evancharlton> qkzoo1978: progressbar
Oct 30 20:14:43 <docmur> But the IDE auto completed that class name
Oct 30 20:14:48 <evancharlton> factory81: no
Oct 30 20:14:50 <docmur> wow this IDE is a massiv POS
Oct 30 20:14:52 <factory81> i was working on a project and it worked - i zipped it up. and i now extract the zip contents and import it - and i have errors
Oct 30 20:15:08 <factory81> its just acting weird
Oct 30 20:15:29 <qkzoo1978> Evancharlton: thank you!
Oct 30 20:15:39 <factory81> i downloaded it at school and ran it - and it ran fine in the emultor. then i closed eclipse and started it again - and it had has errors
Oct 30 20:15:53 <ctate> docmur:  i'm not saying it *is* wrong, i'm saying that's one thing that can lead to that kind of failure
Oct 30 20:15:54 <factory81> and by it - i mean a project I had tested and submitted and 110% comfortable with it
Oct 30 20:16:02 <factory81> now im at home
Oct 30 20:16:13 <factory81> and i have errors in the styling
Oct 30 20:16:25 <ctate> double check that the manifest's citation matches the actual package and class names in the code, make sure the activity is properly exported, make sure the activity class in java is declared 'public', etc.
Oct 30 20:16:28 <docmur> Well if I compile and put the "required" theme in the manifest I get a compile error that it can't find R.style so I think your right
Oct 30 20:16:54 <factory81> yeah thats one of them that i got at school today
Oct 30 20:17:07 <factory81> but now im at home and its a theme issue
Oct 30 20:17:41 <factory81> with school im just importing and exporting my shit everywhere and android is so gay with this sometimes
Oct 30 20:18:40 <evancharlton> let's not use "gay" as a perjorative, thanks
Oct 30 20:19:39 <birbeck> maybe he meant happy
Oct 30 20:19:42 <evancharlton> pejorative, whatever
Oct 30 20:19:56 <regedit> voice typing (microphone icon on soft keyboard) doesn't show up in latest emulator. is this normal/expected?
Oct 30 20:19:59 <vadi2> Can the market do coupons/free versions of software yet?
Oct 30 20:20:08 <factory81> i was just htinking of how people are nowadays too, cant use retarded/gay to describe anything
Oct 30 20:20:11 <factory81> because its too offensive for 2012
Oct 30 20:20:26 <doogan> that's deep
Oct 30 20:22:22 <regedit> does voice typing work on the emulator for anyone?
Oct 30 20:22:30 <evancharlton> factory81: progress is awesome, isn't it?
Oct 30 20:22:45 <docmur> I completely agree with you factory81, however it's easier to be mindfully of others wishes then offend them, those who are really mature don't care, but thats not everyone
Oct 30 20:23:41 <mrenouf|work> whats the simplest way to periodically refresh data without using a sync adapter? My app does not need an account and I'm worried about adding the requirement for using one just to provide this feature.
Oct 30 20:24:08 <Masano> Hi, does anyone know how to start USB tether programmatically? I have tried with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7509924/detect-usb-tethering-on-android but the no avaiable tetherableIfaces are found =(
Oct 30 20:24:18 <mrenouf|work> Because people will somehow assume that it's being used for something.
Oct 30 20:25:14 <evancharlton> mrenouf|work: I didn't think SyncAdapter was tied to an account, but I might be wrong
Oct 30 20:25:39 <mrenouf|work> evancharlton, it usually is, and my research shows it's not possible to use without (or maybe it is?)
Oct 30 20:25:42 <evancharlton> mrenouf|work: anyway, you can use AlarmManager and use setInexactRepeating
Oct 30 20:26:29 <mrenouf|work> yeah... but thats messy and not controllable by the user (sync adapters are better managed).
Oct 30 20:26:34 <mrenouf|work> Ugh
Oct 30 20:26:44 <evancharlton> mrenouf|work: why is that not user-controllable?
Oct 30 20:26:45 <doogan> well you can make a pref option to change hte interval
Oct 30 20:26:47 <evancharlton> let them set the interval
Oct 30 20:27:08 <doogan> then put assign a listener to that preference to reset the alarm interval
Oct 30 20:27:11 <mrenouf|work> evancharlton, yeah. fair enough. I went down that road already I shoulve stuck with that approach.
Oct 30 20:27:45 <mrenouf|work> doogan, one question I had with that, is how can you tell what alarms you have set? And I assume they persist across device reboots?
Oct 30 20:28:20 <doogan> there's a setting to wipe out a previous alarm w/ the same PendingIntent
Oct 30 20:28:26 <Syaoran-kun> qkzoo1978: OnCreate; requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_INDETERMINATE_PROGRESS);
Oct 30 20:28:36 <doogan> actually that might be default
Oct 30 20:29:08 <mrenouf|work> doogan, same as in .equals(), so the pattern is, always remove first, then add to be safe you don't add multiple?
Oct 30 20:29:55 <mrenouf|work> and then there's the whole wakelock mess with alarm broadcast handoff to service. which I also had working but also reverted since.
Oct 30 20:30:12 <qkzoo1978> Syoran got it thanks, just couldnt remember the name :)
Oct 30 20:30:16 <doogan> there's FLAG_CANCEL_CURRENT
Oct 30 20:31:08 <mrenouf|work> thanks
Oct 30 20:31:55 <doogan> btw i've been using commonsware WakefulIntentService for your 2nd point
Oct 30 20:31:58 <doogan> re wake locks
Oct 30 20:34:48 <lfaraone> I have a bunch of ImageViews with the same Bitmap object to display. Is there a way to modify the Bitmap so that each ImageView shows the updated image?
Oct 30 20:36:12 <qkzoo1978> How do you reference android constants such as VISIBLE?
Oct 30 20:36:35 <lfaraone> I *think* copyPixelsFromBuffer will DTRT, but is it possible I might have an immutable Bitmap?
Oct 30 20:37:02 <doogan> View.VISIBLE
Oct 30 20:37:21 <qkzoo1978> Great, thx!
Oct 30 20:38:49 <JulienDev> doogan: Have you ever tried to use the CursorPagerAdapter you gave me?
Oct 30 20:39:00 <doogan> yes
Oct 30 20:39:05 <factory81> use png
Oct 30 20:39:43 <doogan> think i changed it a bit
Oct 30 20:39:57 <doogan> to override getPageTitle() and either show a number (cursor position) or the actual title
Oct 30 20:41:30 <JulienDev> Do you think you can give me an example?
Oct 30 20:42:45 <doogan> i'm using it w/ ViewPagerIndicator
Oct 30 20:42:48 <doogan> not sure if you are
Oct 30 20:43:20 <JulienDev> No, I just use a simple ViewPager to switch news
Oct 30 20:43:29 <doogan> should be bascially the same
Oct 30 20:44:07 <doogan> instantiate your adapter (with the correct fragment type), call setAdapter(adapter) on the pager
Oct 30 20:44:17 <doogan> then in onLoadFinished() call adapter.swapCursor(cursor)
Oct 30 20:45:05 <doogan> are your fragment class has a static method newInstance() which returns new instances
Oct 30 20:45:36 <doogan> and get what you need out of the bundle from getArguments() in the fragment's onCreate() method
Oct 30 20:46:13 <JulienDev> I don't user newInstance, just a constructor
Oct 30 20:47:32 <JulienDev> Which cursor do you use when creating new instance of the adapter?
Oct 30 20:47:52 <doogan> null
Oct 30 20:48:23 <regedit> would anyone know anything about Voice Typing on the Emulator - i.e. why might it not be working
Oct 30 20:49:04 <doogan> you don't have a valid cursor obj until onLoadFinished() is called
Oct 30 20:49:24 <doogan> and you call swapCursor() on the adapter in that callback
Oct 30 20:50:23 <JulienDev> and I implement LoaderCallbacks<Cursor> on my activity right?
Oct 30 20:51:02 <doogan> right
Oct 30 20:52:10 <Syaoran-kun> Hello, about the themes combination, the custom theme for the dialogs is something like <style name="Theme.MyDialogsTheme" parent="android:Theme.Holo.Dialog">(...)</style>, and the custom theme for the other widgets is <style name="Theme.MyTheme" parent="android:Theme">(...)</style>, where I call my custom dialog theme? I can only call one style per manifiest in the activity and that line
Oct 30 20:52:11 <Syaoran-kun> was used with the <activity android:theme="@style/Theme.MyTheme">.
Oct 30 20:52:15 <doogan> and call getLoaderManager().initLoader( ... etc in onCreate()
Oct 30 20:52:20 <JulienDev> and my last question, What is the goal of the projection we give to the adapter?
Oct 30 20:52:23 <doogan> or getSupportLoaderManager() if you're using the support library
Oct 30 20:53:20 <doogan> those are the columns which then become arguments in the bundle that is passed to the newly created fragment
Oct 30 20:53:42 <doogan> at least, that is how that CursorPagerAdapter example does it
Oct 30 20:53:56 <doogan> you can mess w/ that in getItem()
Oct 30 20:53:59 <JulienDev> ok, maybe I don't need it so
Oct 30 20:54:12 <doogan> it's meant to be general to be used w/ different Fragment classes
Oct 30 20:55:24 <JulienDev> ah ok I see
Oct 30 20:55:49 <JulienDev> thank you very much, I think I got it
Oct 30 20:56:04 <doogan> right on
Oct 30 20:58:24 <Codhisattva> how do I get to see stderr?
Oct 30 20:59:01 <dragorn> you don't, in general.
Oct 30 20:59:11 <Codhisattva> I should mention I'm in ndk land
Oct 30 20:59:13 <dragorn> if you mean how do you get stderr of a binary you're exec'ing
Oct 30 20:59:24 <dragorn> then you can make a pipe() and dup2 it over the stderr fd
Oct 30 20:59:39 <dragorn> and then read it into something that presents it elsewhere
Oct 30 20:59:46 <Codhisattva> dragorn: I can't fprintf(stderr...)?
Oct 30 20:59:59 <dragorn> you canif you want, it's not going to go anywhere useful. You're not in a shell.
Oct 30 21:00:02 <Codhisattva> dragorn: and use logcat or something?
Oct 30 21:00:08 <dragorn> you can use android logging in ndk
Oct 30 21:00:11 <dragorn> if you want it to go into logcat
Oct 30 21:00:36 <Codhisattva> cross platform code is crying :(
Oct 30 21:00:42 <dragorn> you're not running in a shell.
Oct 30 21:01:28 <Codhisattva> is the vm in a shell?
Oct 30 21:01:50 <dragorn> No?  You want a shell, install one and run it from the cli
Oct 30 21:01:57 <dragorn> and then you'll get your stderr
Oct 30 21:02:46 <Codhisattva> bleh
Oct 30 21:02:55 <dragorn> that is to say, you can get an interactive shell, if you either run from adb shell, or install a terminal app
Oct 30 21:02:59 <Codhisattva> I just want to log from cross platform code
Oct 30 21:04:16 <Codhisattva> dragorn: so I can shell into the device and tail /var/log/system or something?
Oct 30 21:05:31 <dragorn> Codhisattva: why do you think random gui code would write interactive shell to system?  no.
Oct 30 21:05:37 <dragorn> If you really want you could override fprintf with a #define
Oct 30 21:05:44 <dragorn> and force it to go to android log I suppose
Oct 30 21:06:00 <Codhisattva> no I don't want to
Oct 30 21:06:02 <Codhisattva> ;)
Oct 30 21:06:06 <dragorn> well, sucks to be you then
Oct 30 21:06:12 <Codhisattva> lol
Oct 30 21:06:29 <Codhisattva> why I think random gui code could write to syslog via stderr?
Oct 30 21:06:35 <Codhisattva> because that's computers.
Oct 30 21:08:50 <dragorn> you have to remember you're running native code inside java inside a framework designed to present GUIs.  stderr is an interactive shell thing, there's no reason to expect any sort of handling of stdout/err coming out of a java program not ever meant to be run from a CLI
Oct 30 21:09:19 <dragorn> there's ways to fix it; overriding your print is one.  Providing a common logging function is another.  You'll have to deal with it.
Oct 30 21:09:33 <JulienDev> doogan: It works ;)
Oct 30 21:09:39 <ctate> write a wrapper that winds up linking to a platform-relevant implementation
Oct 30 21:10:08 <doogan> nice JulienDev
Oct 30 21:10:15 <ctate> it's like asking why your fprintfs to stderr are not going to dmesg
Oct 30 21:10:25 <ctate> answer, because they are different things
Oct 30 21:12:07 <mdkess> I'm trying to get style attributes with getContent().obtainStyledAttributes(), but it's returning an empty list - does anyone have tips for debugging this sort of thing? I'm following the guide at http://kevindion.com/2011/01/custom-xml-attributes-for-android-widgets/
Oct 30 21:12:48 <FernandoMiguel> kinda offtopic, dunno but if anyone could help me debug this:
Oct 30 21:12:48 <FernandoMiguel> google plus hangouts plugin crashes on my profile on both firefox and chrome. but it works just fine on Ubuntu Guest Session.
Oct 30 21:12:48 <FernandoMiguel> what could lead my profile to be causing it to both browsers from a plugin that is installed system wide?
Oct 30 21:13:38 <Codhisattva> dragorn: thanks for that
Oct 30 21:16:45 <Codhisattva> dragorn: turns out that android has stdout/stderr support right where you'd expect it (fprintf and stdio or System.out) but by default dalvik redirects to /dev/null
Oct 30 21:18:37 <ctate> is that actually the dalvik default, or is that the way *Android* apps run?
Oct 30 21:18:52 <ctate> (as opposed to, say, shell-based invocations of DVM-hosted apps)
Oct 30 21:20:30 <Codhisattva> ctate: the docs are ambiguous about that http://developer.android.com/tools/debugging/debugging-log.html#viewingStd
Oct 30 21:20:54 <Codhisattva> I read that assuming it's dalvik but it could be read the other way too
Oct 30 21:21:49 <kbs> not sure this is the best place to ask :-) but what suggestions for a simple-to-parse-and-implement vector format? goal is to write some code that can render vector graphics as a drawable. I don't need any fancy features -- colors, lines, curves, stroke and fills are more than enough.
Oct 30 21:22:19 <Codhisattva> I doubt any are simple ;)
Oct 30 21:22:50 <Codhisattva> PDF might already be implemented in the way you want though
Oct 30 21:24:26 <kbs> Codhisattva: pdf (in all its glory) is a bit too much -- wondering if there's samething very very tiny; maybe something like gerber, if it had primitives to do curves, lines, fills and nothenig else
Oct 30 21:25:10 <kbs> at the moment in fact, I'm extracting data from an eps file and doing it; but of course there aren't any tools that can generate this, and this looks like a dumb way for me to be doing it
Oct 30 21:29:37 * ctate |  what suggestions for a simple-to-parse-and-implement vector format?
Oct 30 21:29:40 <ctate> there aren't any. HTH.
Oct 30 21:30:18 <ctate> using EPS is equivalent to using PDF, too.
Oct 30 21:30:36 <ctate> you're just getting lucky if you haven't had to actually write a postscript renderer to handle the EPS objects you've drawn :)
Oct 30 21:30:57 <kbs> ah, I don't have a full-blown eps renderer by any means
Oct 30 21:31:01 <evancharlton> interesting (and important!) reading for all developers: http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2812853
Oct 30 21:31:21 <zax55> how to write function to HTTP GET (send) "http://192.168.1.15/cgi-bin/camctrl.cgi?move=right" after public void showmessage(view v) ?
Oct 30 21:31:39 <kbs> ctate: all I do is to snarf the appropriate lineto/moveto commands from a perl script, and dump it into a home-brew text file; then read by the code
Oct 30 21:32:29 <ctate> wooo, romainguy posted his photos of the N10
Oct 30 21:32:29 <ctate> https://plus.google.com/111962077049890418486/posts/8cTHnSTLrqF
Oct 30 21:32:50 <ctate> kbs:  EPS can legally contain far, far more than just simple drawing primitives.
Oct 30 21:33:06 <kbs> ctate: I'm in violent agreement with you
Oct 30 21:33:15 <ctate> so yeah, you're getting lucky
Oct 30 21:33:17 <canadiancow> evancharlton, why is that important for devs?
Oct 30 21:33:18 <MDijkstra> cool
Oct 30 21:33:47 <kbs> ctate:  I think something is getting lost in translation :-) but I hear what you say about there being no 'simple/minimal' vector format that does nothing more than lines/curves/fills
Oct 30 21:33:59 <ctate> i've writtten EPS export whose produced EPS objects included the actual algorithm being rendered, which was tiny, rather than the set of final emitted primitives, which would have been huge.
Oct 30 21:34:02 <evancharlton> canadiancow: because it applies to sideloaded apps as well
Oct 30 21:34:10 <MDijkstra> you could implement a subset of svg, I guess
Oct 30 21:34:12 <ctate> ==evancharlton
Oct 30 21:34:20 <ctate> MDijkstra: lolno
Oct 30 21:34:28 <canadiancow> and if you're writing non-malware, isnt it a non-issue?
Oct 30 21:34:34 <evancharlton> canadiancow: yes
Oct 30 21:34:36 <kbs> MDijkstra: yeah; but unfortunately i can't think of a tool that would be able to restrict itself to the desired subset
Oct 30 21:34:52 <canadiancow> so im still wondering why its important for devs to read :P
Oct 30 21:34:57 <MDijkstra> you're going to write the renderer yourself right?
Oct 30 21:35:01 <evancharlton> canadiancow: want to start a pool on how long it will take for someone to show up in here asking why their client is getting this dialog and how they can avoid it?
Oct 30 21:35:06 <ctate> :)
Oct 30 21:35:11 <canadiancow> lol
Oct 30 21:35:14 <MDijkstra> either that or simply make your own custom json/xml based language
Oct 30 21:35:30 <evancharlton> MDijkstra is just full of good ideas today :)
Oct 30 21:35:31 <MDijkstra> I dunno what you're trying to do though
Oct 30 21:35:45 <MDijkstra> fair enough :p
Oct 30 21:36:22 <kbs> MDijkstra: The hope is to find a vector format that a) has tools to generate it, b) requires only the bare primitives necessary to render the icons in (say) http://www.aiga.org/symbol-signs/
Oct 30 21:36:42 <kbs> MDijkstra: and then some java code that can read such a file and be used as a Drawable
Oct 30 21:36:54 <kbs> (the last part I would write, of course)
Oct 30 21:37:08 <ctate> (nb: it's approximiately the same amount of code to implement SVG as it is to implement an HTML4 + Javascript + CSS web browser)
Oct 30 21:37:18 <FernandoMiguel> anyone knows if anyone else on the AOSP team will be making the code drop, till JBQ comes back from leave?
Oct 30 21:37:41 <ctate> FernandoMiguel:  typically the drop is on the day that devices become available
Oct 30 21:37:48 <FernandoMiguel> true
Oct 30 21:37:57 <kbs> I currently have a bare-bones lame-ass format that does the job; but as there are no tools that can create my lame-ass format, I'm stuck with a hodge-podge of perl scripts that try to create it from pre-existing eps files, and so forth
Oct 30 21:38:03 <ctate> not always but that's hte timeframe you should be thinking of by default
Oct 30 21:38:21 <FernandoMiguel> not sure till when will JBQ be away either
Oct 30 21:38:27 <FernandoMiguel> hope his wife is getting better
Oct 30 21:38:37 <evancharlton> kbs: http://xkcd.com/37/
Oct 30 21:38:48 <MDijkstra> kbs: doesn't exist, afaik
Oct 30 21:39:28 <Codhisattva> vector is so deceptive
Oct 30 21:39:32 <evancharlton> oh damn, xkcd is down today. Well, all I gathered is that kbs is using a lot of ass-formats
Oct 30 21:39:56 <sampullman> xkcd isn't down for me
Oct 30 21:40:06 <sampullman> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
Oct 30 21:40:08 <FernandoMiguel> wfm evancharlton
Oct 30 21:40:10 <evancharlton> nice
Oct 30 21:40:11 <ctate> evancharlton:  wow, 503 from xkcd
Oct 30 21:40:24 <evancharlton> ctate: maybe it's a west coast thing? *shrug*
Oct 30 21:40:28 <evancharlton> I just got 503s
Oct 30 21:40:31 <sampullman> im on the west coast :)
Oct 30 21:40:41 <ctate> i blame Sandy
Oct 30 21:41:34 <ctate> (viz: why Manhattan still has no power: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqYZ433TeQ )
Oct 30 21:42:16 <ctate> incident starts around :15
Oct 30 21:42:43 <FernandoMiguel> evancharlton: bad routing I guess
Oct 30 21:43:54 <Weed37> evening guys
Oct 30 21:44:41 <lethjakman_work> hey guys, I haven't been able to find a way to check a manifest for errors, is there any method out there?
Oct 30 21:44:41 <Codhisattva> yo weeds
Oct 30 21:45:03 <Weed37> :)
Oct 30 21:47:12 <Weed37> ok guysi am a new xperia t owner and i see they have added a new tool to the device in the shape of "smallapps" i am just wondering if anyone here is working on any or would take ideas for them as only a very few apps on the playstore and i think this "smallapps" is going to take off
Oct 30 21:48:00 <lethjakman_work> has anything happened to broadcast receivers that would have changed then in 4.0 vs 3.1?
Oct 30 21:49:45 <evancharlton> Weed37: this? http://developer.sonymobile.com/tag/small-apps/
Oct 30 21:49:55 <Weed37> sec
Oct 30 21:50:22 <Weed37> yes evancharlton
Oct 30 21:50:23 <MaaaZ> hey guys a quick question : from the 4.X versions, is it possible to add a CA cert to the trusted root CA zone ? Usable from the native browser ?
Oct 30 21:50:49 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: Not without root.
Oct 30 21:51:17 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: I thought it had changed from the 4.X versions. Is it wrong ?
Oct 30 21:51:35 <MaaaZ> Do we still have to play with the cacerts.bks ?
Oct 30 21:51:44 <Weed37> so evancharlton what u think ?
Oct 30 21:52:25 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: A user can install them via http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/ImportRootCert#Way_1:_on_Android_4.0_and_higher. . Apps can't.
Oct 30 21:52:30 <evancharlton> Weed37: I won't be losing sleep adding it to my app
Oct 30 21:52:53 <Weed37> ...
Oct 30 21:53:15 <MDijkstra> Weed37: these things generally don't take off unless they're supported by more than one manufacturer
Oct 30 21:53:27 <Weed37> o.O
Oct 30 21:53:33 <MDijkstra> (regardless of whether this is a good or bad idea)
Oct 30 21:53:44 <Weed37> did i not hear jb has this feature
Oct 30 21:53:55 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: yeah I mean a user, thanks to the "Install from SD" option. I spent the whole afternoon trying to make a CA cert usable from the browser, with different softs like Charles/Burp Pro etc. => I still have those crappy CA warnings ...
Oct 30 21:54:07 <Weed37> although this device is ics
Oct 30 21:54:12 <MDijkstra> no, as far as I can see from the SDK, it's sony tablets only
Oct 30 21:54:25 <Weed37> dang
Oct 30 21:55:13 <Weed37> u guys wanna hear a funny story
Oct 30 21:55:38 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: Well, instruct the user to browse to your .cer file with their file browser, and invoke it using the Certificate Installation Wizard.
Oct 30 21:56:57 <Weed37> today i picked up my new xpt from tesco mobile in ireland on bill got hometo find that the phone waswrong network called shop guy went and looked at his stock and told me that all the phones theygot for the entire tesco network weere the wrong rom installed
Oct 30 21:57:23 <Weed37> the phone was remooved from website in minutes
Oct 30 21:57:40 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: I tried 2 methods : adb push mycert.cert /sdcard/ + "Install from SD card" & http://localhost/mycert.cer => My cert is clearly visible on the "User" part of CA Certs but still warnings...
Oct 30 21:58:03 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: Did you actually go through the Certificate Installation Wizard?
Oct 30 21:59:49 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: to you, the Installation Wizard is the "give it a name and set a pattern/pin/pass" step ?
Oct 30 22:00:04 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: Yes.
Oct 30 22:00:16 <MaaaZ> obviously did it
Oct 30 22:00:26 <freeone3000> MaaaZ: Not at all obviously.
Oct 30 22:01:31 <bubbleguuum> anyone knows why ANR thread dumps in the dev console are incomplete ? It is basically useless to spot deadlocks if you have more than a few threads...
Oct 30 22:02:53 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: :D, i mean, i have the cert in the store http://i46.tinypic.com/290wi3d.jpg
Oct 30 22:03:10 <MaaaZ> freeone3000: so clearly, I don't know what I did wrong 'everytime'
Oct 30 22:03:26 <MaaaZ> but I still have those warnings
Oct 30 22:04:22 <drobban> MaaaZ: are you from sweden?
Oct 30 22:04:27 <MaaaZ> why ?
Oct 30 22:04:28 <Masano> Hi, does anyone know how to start USB tether programmatically? I have tried with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7509924/detect-usb-tethering-on-android but the no avaiable tetherableIfaces are found =(
Oct 30 22:11:45 <kbs> bubbleguuum: out of curiosity, are you picking up your traces from /data/anr/traces.txt ?
Oct 30 22:12:57 <bubbleguuum> kbs: no, I'm talking about thread dumps report in the developer console, submitted on ANR, which are incomplete (it seems to be limited to a max line count). This is not the case in /data/anr/traces.txt
Oct 30 22:13:38 <kbs> bubbleguuum: aah. misunderstood, gotcha.
Oct 30 22:17:59 <lethjakman_work> hey guys!
Oct 30 22:18:19 <lethjakman_work> I'm trying to start a broadcast receiver....but I'm having some issues.
Oct 30 22:18:36 <lethjakman_work>         Intent intent = new Intent();
Oct 30 22:18:36 <lethjakman_work>         intent.setAction("com.alexkardos.restart2.startupIntentReciever");
Oct 30 22:18:38 <lethjakman_work> I'm starting it like this
Oct 30 22:18:53 <lethjakman_work> is that a good way to do it?
Oct 30 22:18:59 <lethjakman_work> I've been having issues confirming that
Oct 30 22:19:10 <ctate> that doesn't do anything except initialize an intent
Oct 30 22:19:18 <ctate> whose action string is the name of your class, for some reason
Oct 30 22:19:27 <ctate> where's your sendBroadcast() call?
Oct 30 22:19:44 <ctate> (and why are you sending a broadcast to yourself, anyway, which is what it sounds like yhou're thinking)
Oct 30 22:24:16 <karakuri> has anyone here worked with expandable list view?
Oct 30 22:24:49 <evancharlton> yes
Oct 30 22:24:52 <karakuri> i got rid of the group indicator
Oct 30 22:25:06 <karakuri> instead, i want the background of my group items to show the expanded state
Oct 30 22:26:11 <lethjakman_work> oops, I sendBroadcast(intent) too
Oct 30 22:27:44 <lethjakman_work> ctate: it's kinda complicated, I'm using this intent to keep a timer going once it's been killed in order to perform other actions.
Oct 30 22:28:02 <ctate> okay.  then what does your receiver registration look like?  (or the manifest <receiver> entity, if that's what you're using)
Oct 30 22:28:20 <lethjakman_work> https://gist.github.com/a38d1fbba16b677238b2
Oct 30 22:28:33 <ctate> okay so
Oct 30 22:28:34 * ctate |  <action android:name="android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED" />
Oct 30 22:28:37 <ctate> but in your code:
Oct 30 22:28:48 * ctate |  intent.setAction("com.alexkardos.restart2.startupIntentReciever");
Oct 30 22:28:56 <ctate> those two strings are not the same, y'know?
Oct 30 22:29:25 <lethjakman_work> oh, is that the issue?
Oct 30 22:29:30 <lethjakman_work> what should my setAction look like?
Oct 30 22:29:44 <lethjakman_work> intent.setAction("android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED");
Oct 30 22:29:47 <lethjakman_work> ?
Oct 30 22:29:59 <ctate> your receiver will receive broadcasts whose action string is the one given in the declaration
Oct 30 22:30:06 <ctate> so set the intent's action to *that string*
Oct 30 22:30:15 <ctate> yes
Oct 30 22:30:54 <ctate> except there's a complication
Oct 30 22:31:03 <lethjakman_work> that would mess with other apps?
Oct 30 22:31:22 * ctate |  public static final String ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED
Oct 30 22:31:23 <lethjakman_work> can I use multiple actions for one intent?
Oct 30 22:31:29 * ctate | This is a protected intent that can only be sent by the system.
Oct 30 22:31:32 <ctate> :)
Oct 30 22:31:44 <ctate> no, an intent has a single action
Oct 30 22:31:58 <lethjakman_work> could I redeclare that receiver?
Oct 30 22:32:27 <lethjakman_work> I suppose my only other choice than that would to be to declare another receiver and use that to start it, then have another start it on boot.
Oct 30 22:33:07 <ctate> well, it just means it's hard to test
Oct 30 22:33:12 <ctate> without rebooting your device a lot :)
Oct 30 22:33:19 <Jug6ernaut> which is lame
Oct 30 22:33:23 <Jug6ernaut> until u get it working hehe
Oct 30 22:33:31 <ctate> actually you can probably send the broadcast with the 'am' shell tool
Oct 30 22:33:40 <Jug6ernaut> root?
Oct 30 22:33:43 <ctate> no
Oct 30 22:34:01 <Jug6ernaut> hmm
Oct 30 22:34:25 <lethjakman_work> ctate: I tried that...I can't receive it unless it's already been run once. because it's android 4.0
Oct 30 22:34:28 <Jug6ernaut> speaking of, does 4.2 have SELinux integration?
Oct 30 22:34:29 <lethjakman_work> unless I'm misunderstanding
Oct 30 22:34:30 <lethjakman_work> yes root
Oct 30 22:34:32 <ctate> oh hm, maybe not.  i'm not sure offhand how tight the protected-broadcast restriction is.  probably can only be sent from the 'system' user, so no.
Oct 30 22:34:49 <ctate> lethjakman_work:  then run your app once from the launcher, and then you won' thave that problem.
Oct 30 22:39:45 <lethjakman_work> ctate: hm, so I ran it, and tried sending the intent to .startupIntentReceiver, but it didn't work and gave me an error...this worked in ICS just not GB
Oct 30 22:39:48 <lethjakman_work> er backwards
Oct 30 22:39:51 <lethjakman_work> worked in GB just not ICS
Oct 30 22:40:03 <ctate> you can't send the BOOT_COMPLETED intent
Oct 30 22:40:07 <ctate> as i just quoted
Oct 30 22:40:15 <ctate> note the docs at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED
Oct 30 22:40:48 <ctate> have you launched your app directly from the Laucnher, then rebooted the device to see whether it now worked?
Oct 30 22:41:01 <ctate> (preferably the same binary that you say works in GB)
Oct 30 22:41:18 <hg_5> hello i have problem, can't start android emulator trough avd manager it says:Starting emulator for AVD 'ics'
Oct 30 22:41:20 <ctate> unless that's not actually the situation you say it's working in
Oct 30 22:41:20 <hg_5> 	emulator: WARNING: Requested RAM size of 1024MB is too large for your environment, and is reduced to 768MB.
Oct 30 22:42:14 <lethjakman_work> ctate: yeah I did. that's why I'm so confused
Oct 30 22:42:43 <lethjakman_work> ctate: it seemed to work broadcasting the ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETE from root
Oct 30 22:42:49 <lethjakman_work> but it just spouted errors
Oct 30 22:42:55 <lethjakman_work> i'll try rebooting again
Oct 30 22:42:56 <ctate> what errors?
Oct 30 22:43:06 <lethjakman_work> null pointer, one sec I'll get it again
Oct 30 22:43:17 * ctate points to the imgur link in the channel topic
Oct 30 22:44:07 <lethjakman_work> lol....
Oct 30 22:44:52 <lethjakman_work> https://gist.github.com/cc43520a7d6062110864
Oct 30 22:44:55 <lethjakman_work> I was getting it
Oct 30 22:44:58 <lethjakman_work> :)
Oct 30 22:46:57 <ctate> why did you say null pointer?
Oct 30 22:46:59 * ctate |  Caused by: java.lang.ClassCastException: com.alexkardos.restart2.startupIntentReceiver cannot be cast to android.app.Activity
Oct 30 22:47:04 <canadiancow> lol
Oct 30 22:47:12 <ctate> you aren't sending a broadcast
Oct 30 22:47:29 <ctate> you're trying to start an activity, but you're passing your BroadcastReceiver's classname
Oct 30 22:47:45 <lethjakman_work> oh...um....
Oct 30 22:48:02 <lethjakman_work> sorry I'm kinda out of my territory. maybe my command's wrong?
Oct 30 22:48:08 <ctate> almost certainly :)
Oct 30 22:48:19 <lethjakman_work> am start -a android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED -n com.alexkardos.restart2/.startupIntentReceiver
Oct 30 22:48:35 <ctate> no
Oct 30 22:48:42 <ctate> 'start' means start an activity
Oct 30 22:48:50 <lethjakman_work> oh
Oct 30 22:48:59 <ctate> you want:  adb shell broadcast -a android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED
Oct 30 22:49:07 <ctate> err, am broadcast ....
Oct 30 22:49:13 <lethjakman_work> broadcast
Oct 30 22:49:14 <lethjakman_work> that makes sense
Oct 30 22:49:20 <ctate> if you just type "am" it will dump a usage statement
Oct 30 22:49:46 <lethjakman_work> I just did that after you told me that, I wasn't aware that's how it worked
Oct 30 22:49:54 <lethjakman_work> thank you!
Oct 30 22:49:58 <lethjakman_work> hm...it seems to be inside....
Oct 30 22:50:33 <lethjakman_work> thank you so much ctate
Oct 30 22:50:40 <lethjakman_work> I'll try and figuer out the rest of my issues
Oct 30 22:50:43 <ctate> if you add the -n argument to point to your receiver then it will not also go to everything else
Oct 30 22:50:58 <hg_5> anyone can help?
Oct 30 22:51:19 <lethjakman_work> ctate: what do you mean? should I just send out a general broadcast?
Oct 30 22:51:31 <ctate> that's what you just did
Oct 30 22:51:42 <ctate> you can restricdt that to just your own app
Oct 30 22:51:57 <ctate> by using the -n com.alexkardos.restart2/.startupIntentReceiver argument
Oct 30 22:52:05 <ctate> so the rest of the system won't think OMG JUST REBOOTED
Oct 30 22:52:16 <lethjakman_work> lol...
Oct 30 22:52:31 <lethjakman_work> sweet, thank you so much! I think it's working. I'm gonna try rebooting it really quick and seeing if my ap's still running
Oct 30 22:54:23 <lethjakman_work> hrm....it only worked when I initially started it through am
Oct 30 22:54:31 <Escherial> hey, i hate to beat a dead horse, but i'm once again paralyzed by indecision (which is bad, since my adviser is expecting results yesterday :|)
Oct 30 22:55:13 <Escherial> i want to collect call and text logs for a research study that i'm doing...went through the trouble of collecting at least call intents and logging them locally, but now i've discovered that there are content providers that provide call and text logs that i could potentially just read from and upload
Oct 30 22:55:50 <Escherial> should i just scrap everything and do that, or are there potential downsides to that approach (aside from having to get the required permissions from the user)?
Oct 30 22:56:45 <lethjakman_work> Escherial: you could always doubt the accuracy of whoever else you're buying from. you can trust your market better
Oct 30 22:59:23 <Escherial> lethjakman_work: this is true, and a very valid point; my participants could innocently clear their call logs, not knowing that my upload service hasn't run yet
Oct 30 22:59:40 <Escherial> (although that does beg the question of whether i should be uploading that data in the first place, since it's apparently private)
Oct 30 22:59:42 <lethjakman_work> Escherial: you can store them seperately
Oct 30 22:59:54 <lethjakman_work> I would only upload it if you had their permission
Oct 30 22:59:59 <lethjakman_work> a yes or no button would suffice
Oct 30 23:00:07 <lethjakman_work> what are you wanting this information for?
Oct 30 23:00:09 <lethjakman_work> just a study?
Oct 30 23:00:24 <Escherial> right, well, they sign a form when they decide to participate, anyway :) yeah, it's a study on using an algorithm i'm developing for ascertaining routines
Oct 30 23:00:52 <lethjakman_work> I would recommend anonymizing the upload number at least, preferably the numbers they've called too
Oct 30 23:01:15 <Escherial> (in general, the algorithm is for finding maximum probability correlations across a sets of a large number of heterogenous traces)
Oct 30 23:01:35 <Escherial> right, i'll have to get IRB approval when i'm testing anyone but myself :)
Oct 30 23:01:44 <Escherial> (which entails doing everything you've mentioned and more)
Oct 30 23:01:53 <lethjakman_work> probably encryption as well I'm h oping?
Oct 30 23:02:04 <Escherial> right, and the storage source has to be secure
Oct 30 23:02:22 <Escherial> i have to manually have each person who has access to the data cleared by the review board
Oct 30 23:02:36 <Escherial> lots of hoops, thankfully :)
Oct 30 23:02:59 <Escherial> i doubt i'll ever actually do a deployment...for now, it's just me, and i'm not too concerned about compromising my own data
Oct 30 23:03:13 <Escherial> the near-term objective is just to demonstrate that it's feasible for scripted sequences that i'm going to reenact and record
Oct 30 23:03:15 <fakingfantastic> This just a sanity check: If I have MyRel extends RelLayout … and I call invalidate()…. does that call onDraw() ?
Oct 30 23:03:29 <fakingfantastic> because … um … it aint
Oct 30 23:04:25 <kbs> Escherial: 'the line of code you never have to maintain, is the line of code you never wrote', as the late great mr. jobs said. my 0.02 would be to stick to using the standard content-providers.
Oct 30 23:05:12 <ctate> Escherial:  i would be *very* careful about handling personal data like call logs and texts.
Oct 30 23:05:49 <ctate> it's the sort of thing that google has mandatory anonymization for processing, insta-fired if you try to dig into it directly without valid pre-approved reason, etc.
Oct 30 23:07:14 <canadiancow> call logs
Oct 30 23:07:15 <canadiancow> ugh
Oct 30 23:07:18 <canadiancow> who "calls" people
Oct 30 23:07:19 <lethjakman_work> lol
Oct 30 23:07:32 <canadiancow> mine is: mom mom spammer mom spammer mom mom spammer bank mom mom spammer mom
Oct 30 23:07:55 <Jug6ernaut> spam hammer
Oct 30 23:07:57 <ctate> let me get this straight
Oct 30 23:08:02 <ctate> the answer really *is* "your mom"?
Oct 30 23:08:06 <canadiancow> :D
Oct 30 23:08:32 <lethjakman_work> +1
Oct 30 23:14:53 <Escherial> ctate: i agree...again, this is pretty much completely for personal use right now
Oct 30 23:15:20 <ctate> if it's your own data, then great, no worries
Oct 30 23:15:30 <ctate> anybody else's, you need to be supercareful with what can happen to the data.
Oct 30 23:15:39 <Escherial> as for the content providers, it seems that the one for the text logs isn't quite standardized...also, is there some way that i'm missing for showing the contents of two content providers in a single list?
Oct 30 23:15:55 <Escherial> ctate: right, we have review boards for that at my university
Oct 30 23:16:04 <ctate> great
Oct 30 23:16:15 <ctate> Escherial:  the SMS provider is *not* standard nor is it public API.
Oct 30 23:16:19 <ctate> you're on your own there
Oct 30 23:17:14 <Escherial> and it seems there's no way to capture when an sms is sent from a receiver, too :\
Oct 30 23:17:36 <ctate> very little that is SMSish is public API, yeah.
Oct 30 23:18:10 <Escherial> makes sense, i suppose; i'm guessing that non-stock android implementations (e.g. samsung's) will have a different sms contentprovider?
Oct 30 23:19:38 <ctate> potentially, yes
Oct 30 23:21:59 <fakingfantastic> mRelativeLayout.invalidate() … can anyone confirm that will force a call to onDraw?
Oct 30 23:22:11 <evancharlton> fakingfantastic: s.android.com can :P
Oct 30 23:22:26 <ctate> why would an invalidate *not* lead to a redraw?
Oct 30 23:22:41 <ctate> i mean, if the layout is visible and on-screen and so on
Oct 30 23:22:55 <ctate> invalidating a hidden / offscreen thing... not so much.
Oct 30 23:30:40 <whomp> how do i have logcat (in eclipse) show me all of the debug messages?
Oct 30 23:32:49 <ctate> it does
Oct 30 23:33:02 <ctate> check any filtering it might have set
Oct 30 23:40:00 <lethjakman_work> there has to be a database or cache on the system somewhere stating if an app has been opened or not, does anyone know about it?
Oct 30 23:41:21 <fakingfantastic> evancharlton: yeah, it confirmed it… but it's totally not calling onDraw() … and I'm getting no errors
Oct 30 23:51:03 <ctate> lethjakman_work:  is this still about your boot-completed receiver not being run?
Oct 30 23:54:34 <f2prateek> trying to write some tests, but it doesn't seem to run any. http://pastebin.com/iNZYyFBn
Oct 30 23:56:04 <canadiancow> fakingfantastic, is it in the view hierarchy and visible?
Oct 30 23:56:05 <f2prateek> this is what i get in eclipse https://www.dropbox.com/s/ficcuzk4nnio51d/s.jpg
Oct 30 23:57:32 <fakingfantastic> canadiancow: yeah, it's all inside of a RelLayout extension I'm working on… http://pastie.org/5140261
Oct 30 23:58:05 <qkzoo1978> Is there a method to use with a listview to set the position in the view? Ie, i see listview.getfirstvisibleposition(), but no way to set the listview view to that position...
Oct 30 23:58:39 <canadiancow> mZoomableRelativeLayout = this;
Oct 30 23:58:41 <canadiancow> that seems...strange
Oct 30 23:59:15 <f2prateek> qkzoo1978: listview.setSelection 
Oct 30 23:59:27 <canadiancow> but uh... dunno
Oct 30 23:59:40 <qkzoo1978> Thank you, ill check it out!
Oct 31 00:01:40 <Escherial> hmm, i wonder if i should give up on attempting to capture sms's at all if it's so poorly standardized
Oct 31 00:01:50 <Escherial> it'll significantly weaken my paper, but i guess it can't be helped :x
Oct 31 00:02:29 <docmur> does anyone here use Intellij, I downloaded Actionbar Sherlock, added to my project linked it in the dependacy viewer (F4) and now when I compile I get: [CVP] \Android-Dev\CVP\abs\res\values-v14\abs__themes.xml:22: error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name: attr 'android:windowActionBar'.
Oct 31 00:04:43 <green-> i've just created a new project in Google APIs and registered a project id and created a sender key … however trying to link that sender ID to my app profile in the developer console results in "Invalid GCM API Key or C2DM Client Login Token (Not Registered)"
Oct 31 00:05:03 <green-> i don't see any further steps I can take in the APIs console … any advice is appreciated.
Oct 31 00:05:23 <fakingfantastic> canadiancow: just a self reference, the var name adds some self-documentation
Oct 31 00:05:38 <canadiancow> i dont agree with that
Oct 31 00:08:42 <birbeck> var names should be self-documenting sure, but not a replacement for documentation
Oct 31 00:08:54 <birbeck> i comment every block, even if its one line
Oct 31 00:09:16 <green-> i can't imagine there's much of a delay w/ this API key registering … if any a minute or two .. it's been like 10 now and the developer console still won't accept the key
Oct 31 00:13:12 <kbs> fakingfantastic: layouts don't get their onDraw() method called. You can either call setWillNotDrawEnabled(false), or move your code to dispatchDraw()
Oct 31 00:13:51 <fakingfantastic> kbs: Dude, thanks so much.
Oct 31 00:14:37 <docmur> So I have sherlock added in the same scope as my project, I've added it as a module dependace in intellji, I can compile the module on it's own but if I compile the project when the module is added as a dependacy I get a screen of errors about resources.   The top error is C:  the second error is [CVP] C:\Android-Dev\CVP\abs\res\values-v14\abs__styles.xml:4: error: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the
Oct 31 00:14:37 <docmur>  given name 'android:Widget.Holo.ActionBar'. and then I get that on going
Oct 31 00:15:23 <green-> well, this is sort of putting a damper on tonight's progress. :)
Oct 31 00:17:03 <landswipe> is there a way to have the android adt integrate better with eclipse (in terms of the right click context menus)
Oct 31 00:17:09 <landswipe> there really is a lot cruft in there
Oct 31 00:17:31 <landswipe> i managed to customize the File/New/ menu for all the android project types
Oct 31 00:17:38 <landswipe> but not right click on the project explorer -> new
Oct 31 00:18:41 <green-> even tried a browser API key instead of a server API key … browser key elicits "Key Expired", server key elicits "Not Registered"
Oct 31 00:18:46 <green-> neither of which are true to my knowlege
Oct 31 00:22:15 <fakingfantastic> kbs: I'm guessing it's not as straight forward as swapping out my onDraw() method with dispatchDraw()
Oct 31 00:22:22 <fakingfantastic> with the same implementation
Oct 31 00:22:29 <fakingfantastic> ….cause it's not working lol
Oct 31 00:22:37 <kbs> fakingfantastic: :-)
Oct 31 00:22:55 <fakingfantastic> This is my first android app, so this is all new to me lol
Oct 31 00:23:08 <kbs> I remember reading a stackoverflow with someone who wanted to do something similar
Oct 31 00:23:30 <kbs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6378904/extending-relativelayout-and-overriding-dispatchdraw-to-create-a-zoomable-vie
Oct 31 00:26:12 <docmur> This is the error I'm getting trying to compile ActionBar Sherlock in Intellji with Maven: http://pastebin.com/e0sYGDZy
Oct 31 00:26:31 <kbs> fwiw, my 0.02 is to start with something less ambitious to begin with. There's much weakly documented voodoo with how custom viewgroups really work, and it's a pain to figure it all out for your first android app
Oct 31 00:32:21 <g00s> romain did a presentation on layouts / viewgroups on Parleys.com (i think from some conference) but every time i tried to watch it, my player hung. i think it is streaming from europe somewhere
Oct 31 00:32:50 <maslen> g00s: I had no problems watching it the other night
Oct 31 00:33:00 <g00s> maybe i need to try it again
Oct 31 00:33:23 <fakingfantastic> kbs: thanks for all the help
Oct 31 00:35:59 <mdkess> Is there some way to add a divider between the top of a list and the first element of the ListView?
Oct 31 00:37:29 <JakeWharton> custom ViewGroups aren't bad. just remember every view needs to measure itself, be laid out, and then drawn
Oct 31 00:37:46 <JakeWharton> mdkess: a header?
Oct 31 00:38:32 <mdkess> maybe - I want the list to be able to scroll through the gap though, would that work?
Oct 31 00:41:50 <JakeWharton> er, i have no idea what you're describing
Oct 31 00:41:59 <JakeWharton> you want extra space at the top of your list?
Oct 31 00:42:29 <mdkess> I'll send a screenshot, one sec
Oct 31 00:42:48 <T-Dub> What's the best way to hold information? Are preferences the best way?
Oct 31 00:42:56 <JakeWharton> depends on the info
Oct 31 00:43:08 <JakeWharton> there's preferences, JSON serialized to disk, sqlite, etc.
Oct 31 00:43:22 <ctate> ooh, N10 is very much faster doing RS workloads than the GN is.  nice.
Oct 31 00:43:26 <ctate> and no you can't have benchmarks yet.
Oct 31 00:43:28 <mdkess> http://imgur.com/Xt1lD
Oct 31 00:43:47 <mdkess> I want there to be a space (the space is the divider) above Item #0
Oct 31 00:44:09 <T-Dub> I've worked with preferences, but I've never touched anything else. What would you suggest on holding like notes. Creating an app where the user saves information (text) to the app and then the app uses that info to do stuff. I'm fairly new to Android if that makes a difference.
Oct 31 00:44:10 <JakeWharton> ctate: can I have benchmarks yet?
Oct 31 00:44:18 <ctate> JakeWharton: :)
Oct 31 00:44:27 <ctate> mdkess:  give the listview some padding at the top?
Oct 31 00:44:39 <mdkess> Problem then is that the listview items disappear at that line
Oct 31 00:45:08 <ctate> err, really?  o_O
Oct 31 00:45:11 <JakeWharton> android:clipToPadding="false"
Oct 31 00:45:13 <ctate> huh
Oct 31 00:45:19 <ctate> oh yeah that
Oct 31 00:45:30 <canadiancow> with values and values-sw600dp, the latter gets used on 720dp, right?
Oct 31 00:45:38 <JakeWharton> yes
Oct 31 00:45:41 <ctate> yes
Oct 31 00:45:55 <ctate> assuming you mean 720dp of *width*  :)
Oct 31 00:45:59 <canadiancow> yes
Oct 31 00:46:15 <mdkess> JakeWharton, ctate - that did the trick. Thanks!
Oct 31 00:46:16 <canadiancow> well... smallest...dimension
Oct 31 00:46:19 <g00s> ctate: RS workloads?
Oct 31 00:46:29 <ctate> RS == renderscript
Oct 31 00:46:32 <g00s> ah
Oct 31 00:46:38 <JamesJRH> Hi, anyone know the Android keycode for <LSGT>?
Oct 31 00:46:51 <ctate> the RS guys' little benchmark suite basically says "oh look the N10 SoC is a hell of a lot faster than the GN's"
Oct 31 00:46:58 <canadiancow> values-sw600dp-port and values-sw720dp - which wins out for 720dp in portrait?
Oct 31 00:46:58 <ctate> no big surprise, but still nice to see.
Oct 31 00:47:20 <JakeWharton> sw600dp-port is an odd combination
Oct 31 00:47:35 <JakeWharton> and 720dp always wins
Oct 31 00:47:37 <ctate> sounds like an attempt to match "large tablets"
Oct 31 00:47:50 <ctate> in portrait orientation
Oct 31 00:47:59 <JakeWharton> there's a chart of precedences
Oct 31 00:48:03 <JakeWharton> (insert link here)
Oct 31 00:48:23 <Gumboot> ctate: Is it obvious when it's using the A15s and when it's using MALI?
Oct 31 00:48:42 <ctate> Gumboot:  i'd have to ask him for detail on cpu vs gpu
Oct 31 00:49:02 <ctate> a lot of workloads he's seeing the gpu being ~ as fast as the cpu
Oct 31 00:49:10 <ctate> as long as you aren't trying to do any drawing
Oct 31 00:49:11 <ctate> :)
Oct 31 00:49:23 <Gumboot> Yeah.  I was wondering how that was going to turn out.
Oct 31 00:49:39 <ctate> i'm surprised the gpu is that fast for compute workloads, frankly
Oct 31 00:49:47 <Amorgos> Would you guys ever consider using Appcelerator for your projects?
Oct 31 00:50:03 <Gumboot> Well...
Oct 31 00:50:07 <JakeWharton> never in a million years
Oct 31 00:50:09 <Sicp> well..
Oct 31 00:50:52 <JamesJRH> See: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.html
Oct 31 00:50:54 <Jug6ernaut> Hey JakeWharton, i imported my android project from eclipse to intellij, but when i try and run it doesnt show my module to select it to run, any idea what im missing to get it to see the module?
Oct 31 00:51:36 <JamesJRH> What do they call <LSGT>? I can't find it there.
Oct 31 00:52:07 <Amorgos> lol.. I'm not surprised. What I am surprised about is the amount of things (Dev tools, platforms, blah blah) that Appcelerator has in its product suite. It's blown me away
Oct 31 00:52:29 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, why is sw600dp-port odd?
Oct 31 00:52:36 <canadiancow> that's like the nexus 7 in portrait mode
Oct 31 00:52:49 <Jug6ernaut> bla nm
Oct 31 00:54:05 <ctate> hm, the N7 is >= 600 dp in shortest dimension?  okay, that's useful then
Oct 31 00:54:19 <ctate> so sw600dp ~= "tablet"
Oct 31 00:54:38 <JakeWharton> "they" say sw600dp ~= 7" tablets and sw720dp ~= 10" tablets
Oct 31 00:54:40 <Amorgos> going to appcelerator.com now is just as confusing as visiting vmware.com or AmazonWS in terms of product offerings
Oct 31 00:55:17 <Amorgos> So someone is pumping a shitload of money into those guys
Oct 31 00:55:30 <canadiancow> well a dp is a physical unit of measurement, so i'm pretty sure it's actually 7/10
Oct 31 00:56:55 <mdkess> Alright, so I finally figured out how to make this cool ListView that I wanted to (a weekend and two evenings of work, yay!). Here is the fruit of my labor, I think it turned out pretty decent: https://github.com/mdkess/TexturedListView . No idea if my code is any good though, if anyone wanted to read through it I'd love some feedback.
Oct 31 00:56:57 <canadiancow> although i guess not
Oct 31 00:57:06 <canadiancow> if you had a square device that was 600dp x 600dp, it wouldnt be 7 inches
Oct 31 00:57:33 <canadiancow> but i bet if you had 600 x 600*16/9, it would be
Oct 31 00:58:06 <JamesJRH> Anyone know how Android calls the key to the left of 'Z' (on QWERTY) on a USB keyboard. It's usually known as <LSGT>, but http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.html doesn't mention <LSGT>.
Oct 31 00:58:28 <kbs> mdkess: did you get it to work with non-uniformly sized children?
Oct 31 00:58:37 <mdkess> Yep :)
Oct 31 00:58:42 <kbs> mdkess: nice :-)
Oct 31 00:59:20 <mdkess> It was a frustrating weekend, that's for sure.
Oct 31 00:59:25 <ctate> JamesJRH:  it doens't get a key code; it's a modifier
Oct 31 00:59:26 <canadiancow> ugh i need to call united to see if there's any chance of recovering my n7 :(
Oct 31 00:59:35 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: you could make a 600dp square 7" with the right density
Oct 31 00:59:39 <ctate> (sometimes)
Oct 31 00:59:43 <ctate> but in general, it's KEYCODE_SHIFT_LEFT isn't it?
Oct 31 00:59:52 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, that wouldnt really be 600dp then
Oct 31 00:59:59 <ctate> as a modifier, note META_SHIFT_LEFT_ON
Oct 31 00:59:59 <Amorgos> Ok.. slightly more productive question... Has anyone considered these new BaaS (Backend-as-a-service) providers such as parse.com or kinvey.com as a backend solution?
Oct 31 01:01:29 <Amorgos> I'm trying to figure them out, but I'm very skeptical.. I don't know if I'm just paranoid.
Oct 31 01:01:45 <g00s> Amorgos: if you have a specific question, you could do a 'Ask HN'
Oct 31 01:01:57 <g00s> to get a wider readersjip perhaps
Oct 31 01:02:01 <g00s> bleh
Oct 31 01:02:47 <Amorgos> g00s: I'm just browsing and thinking (and drinking) whilst on IRC. I certainly think my questions are on-topic
Oct 31 01:03:18 <g00s> Amorgos: i didnt say they werent on topic; i was just suggesting in case you dont have any luck here
Oct 31 01:03:47 <Amorgos> I know.. but the instant feedback of someone in a chat channel or (god-forbid) in real life is quite nice :-)
Oct 31 01:03:58 <JamesJRH> ctate: Err.. what? It's not a modifier, and modifiers have keycodes anyway. Apparently, it is the 'extra' key on a 102-key keyboard. It is between left shift and 'Z' (on QWERTY).
Oct 31 01:05:49 <Amorgos> g00s: what do you mean by HN anyway?
Oct 31 01:05:56 <g00s> hacker news
Oct 31 01:06:16 <ctate> oh, that.  i dunno what key that is.
Oct 31 01:06:23 <ctate> hmm.
Oct 31 01:06:55 <Amorgos> New term to me. Is it a website? I feel old
Oct 31 01:07:22 <g00s> Amorgos: :) news.ycombinator.com
Oct 31 01:07:55 <g00s> sober up before posting though XD
Oct 31 01:09:13 <g00s> also, you can search HN for existing posts on parse , etc. there have been quite a few, as well as read the comments
Oct 31 01:09:29 <ctate> JamesJRH:  btw, why are you looking directly at keycodes instead of the characters?
Oct 31 01:09:48 <DerDaniel> hell yeah! I found a Android IRC Channel with people awake
Oct 31 01:10:10 <g00s> DerDaniel: hurry up, its almost past everyone's bedtime
Oct 31 01:10:15 <g00s> >.>
Oct 31 01:10:19 <ctate> if you want to use it in a game, go directly to scancodes and provide UI for the user to tell you which key goes with which action
Oct 31 01:10:30 <ctate> DerDaniel: HUSH YOURE RUINING IT
Oct 31 01:11:14 <Amorgos> g00s: Thanks. But what I'm trying to find atm is people who have actually tested/used/benchmarked these new platforms as I'm looking into them. What HN will give me are news bulletins
Oct 31 01:11:44 <g00s> ok, nm i give up
Oct 31 01:12:00 <JamesJRH> ctate: Funny you should ask that! Because I'm trying to correctly map them to the characters for the United Kingdom layout using extkeyboardremapper! =)
Oct 31 01:12:34 <DerDaniel> #android
Oct 31 01:12:35 <Amorgos> g00s: Don't give up. Sign up to one of them, spend 6 months developing an app, then send me a report on your findings.
Oct 31 01:13:22 <ctate> JamesJRH: ah, i see.  hit the key, see what codes are generated, go from there.  :)
Oct 31 01:13:25 <JamesJRH> ctate: ICS doesn't have built-in support for external keyboard layouts, although this is fixed in Jellybean apparently.
Oct 31 01:13:27 <g00s> Amorgos: plenty of people on HN have done exactly that; those technologies are quite popular for startups … and HN has a readership consisting of a lot of those people
Oct 31 01:14:05 <Amorgos> g00s: Thanks. I'll look into HN a bit more
Oct 31 01:14:25 <g00s> it will click when you realize what ycombinator is
Oct 31 01:14:26 <JamesJRH> ctate: Yes, I'll do that.
Oct 31 01:20:23 <JamesJRH> ctate: Hey I've just realised that extkeyboardremapper prints the keycode and scancode of each keypress...
Oct 31 01:23:18 <JamesJRH> Hmm... And it turns out that Android gives it the same keycode as <BKSL> (the key next to enter on the middle row).
Oct 31 01:26:10 <JamesJRH> I'll have to turn to the scancodes which are of-course different (LSGT=86, BKSL=43).
Oct 31 01:26:53 <JamesJRH> Android assigns keycode 73 to both.
Oct 31 01:27:52 <p_l> hw keyboard handling (and indeed, *proper* keyboard handling at all) seems fucked up on android
Oct 31 01:30:33 <JamesJRH> p_l: No, with extkeyboardremapper, it seems pretty good except that one key. I can even use dead keys with AltGr. And with Jellybean, apparently it makes extkeyboardremapper redundant.
Oct 31 01:31:49 <JamesJRH> p_l: In fact keyboard handling in Android is really not bad for a mobile OS!
Oct 31 01:33:36 <p_l> JamesJRH: well, I can't get consistent operation from different, important applications, so...
Oct 31 01:33:49 <p_l> especially for keys beyond very minimal set
Oct 31 01:41:26 <JamesJRH> Awesome! I configured my own scancode for <LSGT> in extkeyboardremapper and finished my en_GB layout! All this without even using root! extkeyboardremapper is pretty neat. :-)
Oct 31 01:44:34 <JamesJRH> Ps. Did I mention that every thing I've typed here today has been through extkeyboardremapper and VX ConnectBot? :-D
Oct 31 01:46:51 <Escherial> incredible :3
Oct 31 01:46:59 <Escherial> well, credible, but neat nonetheless
Oct 31 01:51:52 <JamesJRH> Escherial: That is with an external USB keyboard BTW, which was mentioned before you joined. :-) I didn't type it all with a virtual keyboard!
Oct 31 01:52:49 <SpeedEvil> I wish the stock keyboard was more configurbke
Oct 31 01:57:29 <DR01D-Engineer> they need to make more android phones with hard keyboards
Oct 31 01:58:27 <RustyShackleford> i disagree
Oct 31 01:58:40 <ron_frown> I agree
Oct 31 01:58:42 <ron_frown> 4.2 is out
Oct 31 01:58:52 <ron_frown> show me how you can have swype on a physical keyboard
Oct 31 01:58:59 <ron_frown> and you can type WAY WAY faster on it
Oct 31 01:59:03 <ron_frown> even while driving
Oct 31 01:59:14 <ron_frown> is out = is announced
Oct 31 01:59:15 <ron_frown> sorry
Oct 31 01:59:33 <DR01D-Engineer> you cant see half the screen with a soft keyboard
Oct 31 01:59:42 <DR01D-Engineer> i type faster with a physical keyboard
Oct 31 02:00:07 <DR01D-Engineer> prediction/autocompletion is not good for me
Oct 31 02:02:28 <Escherial> every time swype replaces my attempt at ", " with ".com", i cry a little
Oct 31 02:02:34 <canadiancow> ron_frown, typing while driving? :\
Oct 31 02:02:45 <Escherial> even better is replacing "sorry" with "Siri" with no sign of "sorry" on the autocomplete list
Oct 31 02:02:47 <ron_frown> no worries not even looking at the phone
Oct 31 02:02:50 <g00s> for ron, typing while /riding/
Oct 31 02:03:04 <ron_frown> gloves are no good for capacitive screens =)
Oct 31 02:03:13 <ron_frown> but I had considered it the other day
Oct 31 02:03:28 <ron_frown> I was traveling on my bike, my wife in her car, and we totally got lost because of god damn construction
Oct 31 02:03:46 <ron_frown> in la
Oct 31 02:03:54 <Escherial> there are gloves that have capacitive fingertips, for what it's worth
Oct 31 02:04:19 <ron_frown> I could text on my bike... but too easy to drop phone and shit
Oct 31 02:04:22 <ron_frown> I'll pass
Oct 31 02:04:26 <Escherial> er, conductive, rather
Oct 31 02:04:57 <SpeedEvil> Escherial: silk gloves work too
Oct 31 02:05:17 <SpeedEvil> also, as I discovered today, damp leather
Oct 31 02:05:24 <Escherial> interesting :)
Oct 31 02:15:33 <g00s> ron_frown: do you know how the hell to buy/dl the full version of w8 pro ?
Oct 31 02:15:40 <g00s> all i see is 'update'
Oct 31 02:16:03 <ron_frown> how the fuck should I kno
Oct 31 02:16:06 <ron_frown> know
Oct 31 02:16:13 <ron_frown> I have no intention of buying
Oct 31 02:16:16 <g00s> i thought you were already using it
Oct 31 02:16:27 <ron_frown> dude I got a bizspark account =)
Oct 31 02:16:33 <ron_frown> "free" everything
Oct 31 02:18:59 <canadiancow> hmm
Oct 31 02:19:16 <canadiancow> do you need to have like...an incorporated entity for bizspark?
Oct 31 02:21:16 <canadiancow> oh bah... To meet this requirement the software must: Add significant and primary functionality to the integrated Microsoft software.
Oct 31 02:21:33 <Leeds> I'll just leave this here... http://blog.recruit.net/2012/10/30/apple-android-war-takes-to-the-job-market/
Oct 31 02:24:35 <canadiancow> ive seen companies more interested in hiring android devs
Oct 31 02:24:43 <canadiancow> there arent as many devs, period
Oct 31 02:24:54 <canadiancow> and most android devs... well... they're devs. and they've used android.
Oct 31 02:24:57 <canadiancow> and i'll leave it at that
Oct 31 02:25:09 <zinx> the ones that are actually devs...
Oct 31 02:25:23 <canadiancow> well i guess there are some "android devs" who aren't devs and have barely touched android
Oct 31 02:25:26 <g00s> thats great. we have 7 opening for android devs in phx :/
Oct 31 02:25:31 <zinx> some have "programmed" in html...  with a WYSIWYG editor..
Oct 31 02:25:36 <canadiancow> heh
Oct 31 02:25:50 <g00s> i am seeing that they are asking for JB and ICS experience tho
Oct 31 02:26:00 <canadiancow> thats cool
Oct 31 02:26:02 <freeone3000> g00s: Five years of jellybean experience?
Oct 31 02:26:06 <canadiancow> LOL
Oct 31 02:26:06 <zinx> lol
Oct 31 02:26:07 <g00s> :)
Oct 31 02:26:45 <canadiancow> at this stage, asking for more than 2 years of android is a stretch if you actually want a decent pool of candidates
Oct 31 02:27:17 <canadiancow> i remember  a couple years ago seeing some job posting that wanted 5 years of android dev
Oct 31 02:27:48 <g00s> i saw a job posting for android requiring experience with ABS
Oct 31 02:28:04 <canadiancow> that strikes me as odd
Oct 31 02:28:11 <canadiancow> like what if you've only used the normal actionbar
Oct 31 02:28:17 <canadiancow> you're suddenly disqualified?
Oct 31 02:28:19 <freeone3000> g00s: The thermoplastic?
Oct 31 02:28:21 <freeone3000> Oh.
Oct 31 02:28:36 <ron_frown> I've got a bunch of years
Oct 31 02:28:47 <ron_frown> when was android 2 released
Oct 31 02:28:51 <ron_frown> I remember that happening
Oct 31 02:28:53 <canadiancow> fall 2009
Oct 31 02:29:31 <SpeedEvil> I've used ABS. and many other thermoplastics.
Oct 31 02:30:51 <canadiancow> i dont like companies that ask for 2-3 years... in my experience, very few people are good at android because theyve been doing it a long time
Oct 31 02:31:03 <canadiancow> they're either generally good at devving, and picked it up in a couple months
Oct 31 02:31:10 <canadiancow> or they suck, and it doesnt matter how long they do it
Oct 31 02:31:14 <zinx> i technically have no app development experience
Oct 31 02:31:29 <zinx> but i can guarantee you i'm better than 99% of the people they'd hire
Oct 31 02:31:40 <canadiancow> heh
Oct 31 02:31:55 <zinx> but it's hard to hire good programmers, unless you're already one
Oct 31 02:31:55 <canadiancow> 90% of employees think they're in the top 10% ;)
Oct 31 02:32:31 <zinx> i'm in the 10%, i'll let you decide which one
Oct 31 02:32:58 <canadiancow> i havent seen you in action :P
Oct 31 02:33:01 <canadiancow> or your code
Oct 31 02:33:05 <zinx> ;D
Oct 31 02:34:11 <zinx> to date i've only written one extremely poorly written app, but my excuse is that i was just throwing something together in my spare time at a board game convention
Oct 31 02:34:30 <canadiancow> heh
Oct 31 02:34:38 <canadiancow> i took an app i wrote in 2009, and went through it last year
Oct 31 02:34:44 <canadiancow> to try to holo-ize it
Oct 31 02:34:49 <canadiancow> and wow... i laughed at my code
Oct 31 02:34:53 <canadiancow> or cried
Oct 31 02:35:04 <g00s> thats better than your code laughing at you
Oct 31 02:35:05 <zinx> hehe
Oct 31 02:35:21 <canadiancow> if i wrote code that could laugh, i'd be pretty impressed :)
Oct 31 02:35:37 <canadiancow> grrr birbeck's never around when i want my beer :(
Oct 31 02:36:38 <canadiancow> man being on the west coast makes irc a much different experience
Oct 31 02:36:43 <canadiancow> by the time im getting home, it's dead in here
Oct 31 02:37:59 <zinx> i imagine it's pretty strange with the fish swimming around your feet too
Oct 31 02:38:09 <zinx> wait wrong coast
Oct 31 02:38:11 <SpeedEvil> :-\
Oct 31 02:38:41 <g00s> good thing nj doesnt have crocodiles
Oct 31 02:39:09 <mohamedali> Test
Oct 31 02:39:11 <SpeedEvil> it's strange how there are quite a few Europeans on at local midnight
Oct 31 02:39:23 <SpeedEvil> but few east cost peeps
Oct 31 02:40:34 <Leeds> mohamedali: test fail
Oct 31 02:40:53 <mohamedali> thanks Leeds
Oct 31 02:46:56 <g00s> terrific, the bluetooth low energy book by heydon is published. wished i could use BLE :/
Oct 31 02:47:36 <tdignan>  /query g00s
Oct 31 02:47:40 <tdignan> woops
Oct 31 02:47:44 <tdignan> g00s: hi
Oct 31 02:47:47 <g00s> :)
Oct 31 02:50:01 <ron_frown> g00s can you use your own rom for this hardware?
Oct 31 02:50:27 <voso> I'm seeing the magical/poetic letters again.. BLE..
Oct 31 02:50:44 <g00s> ron_frown: there are a few phones that have BLE support
Oct 31 02:50:54 <g00s> (android ones) … RAZR was one
Oct 31 02:51:01 <ron_frown> ahh it requires hardware support
Oct 31 02:51:05 <g00s> but it broke on the last OTA
Oct 31 02:51:15 <g00s> and it requires bluez and framework support
Oct 31 02:51:22 <g00s> needs GATT profiles
Oct 31 02:51:36 <ron_frown> yeah that shit is cake if you can go with your own rom
Oct 31 02:51:46 <ron_frown> I always got the impression you were doing remote monitoring or some such shit with it
Oct 31 02:52:18 <g00s> yes, but i dont control the hw
Oct 31 02:52:30 <g00s> and it has to work with any phone
Oct 31 02:52:36 <ron_frown> but it doesnt =)
Oct 31 02:52:56 <ron_frown> bluez supports pxp and htp gatt profiles
Oct 31 02:53:03 <ron_frown> I dont think that version is even in 4.1.2
Oct 31 02:53:08 <ron_frown> but its easy enough to upgrade
Oct 31 02:54:19 <g00s> i need to sell sw to people with android phones that have the support
Oct 31 02:55:43 <g00s> i have found moto / qualcomm apis
Oct 31 02:55:47 <g00s> bbiab
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