**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:58 2012 Nov 01 03:00:50 pop pop get a bugfix? Nov 01 03:01:10 heh. kinda busy atm Nov 01 03:01:38 but I could slap it into a plain java project and write some unit tests for it (I didn't do that back then) Nov 01 03:01:55 I thought I'd lost that code. Nov 01 03:03:35 yeah. Ive never come across a base64 lib that was deemed to be browser compatible. i mean im sure they are out there, i just kind of assumed that since you wrote yours for gwt it would be, and useable in gwt too. Nov 01 03:04:05 it works great for ASCII, heh. Nov 01 03:05:07 Im embarrased to say I know very little about things like character encodings. Nov 01 03:11:38 does anyone try to enforce an mvp view in android? Nov 01 03:11:52 s/view/pattern Nov 01 03:20:26 mvp? Nov 01 03:20:45 i think MVC doesn't exactly fit the way we work in android. Because, the interactivity in views is tightly coupled to the controller (which would be an activity, or a fragment) Nov 01 03:20:54 it's more like MC Nov 01 03:21:05 where C is both the view and the controller, in one. Nov 01 03:25:39 versus a webapp, where you don't have to care about handling button clicks, because the client browser does that for you, and it never enters into your architectural considerations. Nov 01 03:33:32 I favour mvp, at least on gwt. Ive just been playing around with an mvp pattern on android that seems to work. I agree with what you said tdignan. Nov 01 03:35:32 Not sure if I think the default android pattern is the best approach tho. Im investigating it is I might ask my engs follow it. Nov 01 03:37:15 s/is/in case Nov 01 03:44:05 Fragments are basically the end to the madness Nov 01 03:47:44 Hello Nov 01 03:48:05 I want to use WebView and file input with accept="image/*;capture=camera". Are there any useful documents? Nov 01 03:48:59 Hello Nov 01 03:55:03 hi Nov 01 03:56:52 Hello Nov 01 03:56:56 How am i supposed to solve app testing issue? Nov 01 03:57:12 I want to use WebView and file input with accept="image/*;capture=camera". Are there any useful documents? Nov 01 03:58:18 Hello Nov 01 03:58:23 i mean, i cannot buy couple smartphones of each manufacturer, so how can I be sure that app will work properly? Nov 01 03:59:49 I see. If you can use SDK on some phones, you can use it. Nov 01 03:59:58 pharell emulator + goto best buy Nov 01 04:00:27 what do you mean by saiyng 'goto best buy'? Nov 01 04:01:20 lasserix: what do you mean by saiyng 'goto best buy'? Nov 01 04:03:32 pharell: i mean go to best buy with an sd card and try your app out on as many phones as you can Nov 01 04:03:36 just one way to do it Nov 01 04:04:03 if you have resources there are some companies that will do testing for you too Nov 01 04:04:05 anyways i gota run Nov 01 04:04:55 do a massive beta test Nov 01 04:05:16 get people to run it on as many hardware and android release combinations as possible Nov 01 04:05:30 that is the best way to test it for sure Nov 01 04:05:41 just let it run out in the wild and get crash reports Nov 01 04:05:51 you can get some idea with the emulator Nov 01 04:06:11 but honestly, you won't know until it crashes somewhere Nov 01 04:06:15 in the wild Nov 01 04:07:11 Hello Nov 01 04:07:31 yes? Nov 01 04:07:48 A question? Or just coming to say hi? ;) Nov 01 04:09:59 I have a question Nov 01 04:10:08 I want to use WebView and file input with accept="image/*;capture=camera". Are there any useful documents? Nov 01 04:12:07 you might find this useful: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/android/image-display-and-interaction-with-android-webviews/ Nov 01 04:12:21 and of course: http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/webview.html Nov 01 04:12:32 http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/best-practices.html Nov 01 04:12:35 good luck Nov 01 04:12:44 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebView.html Nov 01 04:14:56 how can I measure app CPU requirements? Nov 01 04:15:40 be more specific Nov 01 04:16:02 I'm sorry. It was not for my answer. Nov 01 04:16:48 mh35: then I am afriad I do not know any good reference for you Nov 01 04:16:55 when you can't RTFM, then WTFM :) Nov 01 04:17:20 (write the fine manual) Nov 01 04:19:09 pharell: you can profile apps with traceview Nov 01 04:20:28 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebView.html#loadUrl%28java.lang.String,%20java.util.Map%3Cjava.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%3E%29 <--- Map additionalHttpHeaders Nov 01 04:20:50 What I want is I want to use WebView, use in web page, and the input tag boots camera. Nov 01 04:21:33 whoops, was in #android for like 2 hours trying to figure out why people were asking all these silly questions about which phone is best and which update is out for that Nov 01 04:21:47 I'm using Android 4.0.4(API level is 15). Nov 01 04:23:06 mh35: interesting Nov 01 04:23:29 mh35: this thread says it works on 3.0+ but it doesn't indicate whether it works with your suggested method Nov 01 04:23:36 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7387978/access-from-the-browser-to-camera Nov 01 04:24:23 In browser, it worked. Nov 01 04:25:17 aahhhh! Nov 01 04:25:22 now we have the core issue. Nov 01 04:27:23 I want to share the sample, but I don't know where to upload. Nov 01 04:28:10 well, I get the idea. It works in the browser, but not in a webview. I already found tons of stuff on it. Nov 01 04:28:32 The next question would have to be: does it really need to work in a webview, or are you overlooking a feature you could otherwise use? Nov 01 04:30:10 has anyone worked with voice recognition before? is it possible to send voice sample to be recognized (without the active microphone interface) ? Nov 01 04:31:04 you don't even need to send over the network. just compile this wit the ndk. http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2011/05/building-pocketsphinx-on-android/ Nov 01 04:31:41 tdignan: have you actually used sphinx yourself? Nov 01 04:31:45 no Nov 01 04:32:09 although it's made by carnegie mellon. who are you going to trust, me or them? Nov 01 04:33:37 i'm on windows and those instructions seem to be geared at *nix.. Nov 01 04:34:55 Oh, I found the solution! Nov 01 04:35:17 what is it? Nov 01 04:35:30 regedit: install cygwin and you're very unix like Nov 01 04:36:08 Any thoughts on why some drawable images assigned to an ImageView would show up on my Kindle Fire, but not my Droid X2? Nov 01 04:36:47 capture type! Nov 01 04:36:53 Thank you very much! Nov 01 04:37:47 what capture type did you need? Nov 01 04:39:40 hi. are smartphone apps executable on tablets as well? i mean when both tablet and smartphone are android driven Nov 01 04:40:53 pharell: unless the developer has explicitly blocked it for some reason, pretty much all Android apps run on all screen sizes Nov 01 04:41:35 images and UI automatically scale where needed Nov 01 04:42:03 thx Leeds Nov 01 04:48:18 tdignan: BTW Jelly Bean also has it all local, no need for sphinx. its a terrible shame they dont expose the speech facilities more, so much opportunity... Nov 01 04:48:40 oh, that's awesome Nov 01 04:49:01 that is - android SDK should be exposing speech facilities more Nov 01 04:49:36 So, any thoughts on why these Drawables are showing up on my Kindle Fire, but not my Droid X2? :( Nov 01 04:49:56 Got a deadline in a few hours to submit this apk, any help would be hugely appreciated Nov 01 04:50:23 doppio: in what way "not showing up"? Nov 01 04:50:36 you draw them and they're blank, there's an error saying they can't be found? Nov 01 04:50:51 Leeds, I draw them and they're blank Nov 01 04:51:04 they're just images? Nov 01 04:51:20 A couple of them are backgrounds for dialog boxes, and a couple are in these ImageViews whose Drawables I swap out every few seconds Nov 01 04:51:34 In the latter case, some of the drawables show up, but some don't Nov 01 04:51:35 * g00s shrugs … Kindle isn't Android :) Nov 01 04:51:38 nothing of interest in the logs? Nov 01 04:51:43 And I just get the ImageView's black background Nov 01 04:51:57 No, I log a message when I swap the drawables and it's doing it at the right time Nov 01 04:52:05 And no errors Nov 01 04:52:13 odd Nov 01 04:52:28 g00s: then read the question as "why aren't my images showing on a Droid X2?" Nov 01 04:52:41 oh, didnt see that Nov 01 04:52:51 Kindle Fier is Android Nov 01 04:52:53 Fire* Nov 01 04:53:05 did Jeff say that ? Nov 01 04:53:17 Android /based/ Nov 01 04:53:26 doesn't pass CTS Nov 01 04:53:30 for the purpose of a simple app, I'd say Fire is Android enough... but it doesn't matter here Nov 01 04:54:18 doppio: are the images particularly large? presumably you've cleaned cleaned cleaned your project... Nov 01 04:55:17 Leeds, They're not particularly large. Some significantly larger ones are drawn, no problem Nov 01 04:57:59 very odd... Nov 01 04:58:18 Indeed :( Trying cleaning once more Nov 01 04:58:34 Otherwise I hope I can Google a solution before the deadline in 2 hours :D Nov 01 05:03:22 What the Nov 01 05:03:24 does anyone know what commonsware's publisher id is on the android market? i recall downloading his apps two years ago, but I don't see any now. did he take all of them down, or something? Nov 01 05:03:35 Now those drawables are showing up, but some other drawables that have been visible for months are invisible Nov 01 05:03:49 There's something funky here... Nov 01 05:07:54 how can I pass some information to onCreate() of an activity? Nov 01 05:08:07 RustyShackleford: put the information in the intent Nov 01 05:09:06 how do I get the intent object? Nov 01 05:09:36 getIntent() Nov 01 05:09:36 ah nvm Nov 01 05:09:39 shockingly enough Nov 01 05:31:53 Android Source (Sample code) find of the day: https://github.com/android/platform_development/blob/master/samples/Support4Demos/src/com/example/android/supportv4/app/FragmentTabsPager.java#L166 Nov 01 05:32:58 thats been there for a while Nov 01 05:33:18 its hacks all the way down Nov 01 05:33:26 yeah, but did not notice it until today. As well like how Dianne named the commit: Dang you, TabHost. Nov 01 05:33:35 yeah.. sadly :( Nov 01 05:35:04 Any nice TabHost alternative? Nov 01 05:35:18 to easily have tabs created with Fragments? Nov 01 05:36:05 And do not tell me the ones in the ActionBar. Nov 01 05:36:18 (Well, I would use them, but company does not want to.. stupid designers) Nov 01 05:37:00 pboos: were you the victim of ios design dictating the android app ? Nov 01 05:37:12 g00s: yes, still am :( Nov 01 05:37:16 oh ! Nov 01 05:37:18 bwahaha Nov 01 05:37:49 g00s: but if I am lucky, then the next project I have will be MINE. so i will be telling the designer that what he is doing is bullshit :D Nov 01 05:39:17 pboos: did the client say so, your designer say so, or your boss ? Nov 01 05:39:23 even the actionbarsherlock sample uses TabHost Nov 01 05:39:50 pboos: well, client in some way.. we have company internal projects and one guy is in charge. so he says how he wants it.. and designers have more to say than devs :( Nov 01 05:40:07 arg.. why did i write my name :D meant g00s Nov 01 05:40:28 g00s: but i hope to be able to change that :) so we can make more quality android apps.. instead of android apps that look like ios apps.. Nov 01 05:44:48 Hello Wcwey onw Nov 01 05:55:48 Hmm, apparently Android is getting mad at me for using too many drawables in this "cut scene" sequence I'm hacking together Nov 01 05:55:54 I'm getting a " java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: bitmap size exceeds VM budget" Nov 01 05:56:02 \o/ Nov 01 05:56:11 that error is a right of passage Nov 01 05:56:11 Any one know how I can recycle a drawable when I'm done with it? Nov 01 05:56:14 Oh no Nov 01 05:56:26 I don't like rites of passage Nov 01 05:56:45 Especially because I hope to depart from Android code once and for all after I fix this bug Nov 01 05:56:47 And move to Unity Nov 01 05:58:50 Oh my, apparently my Google-fu broke or something, I now see that there are billions of results for it Nov 01 05:59:29 doppio: bitmap.recycle() ? Nov 01 05:59:42 and making sure it is not referenced from anywhere anymore. Nov 01 06:00:25 Hmm, if I just have a Drawable, can I cast to a BitmapDrawable and destroy its bitmap from there? Nov 01 06:01:27 Trying it now Nov 01 06:06:07 doppio: so when I asked if there were any errors... Nov 01 06:06:31 that was the one I was looking for. Nov 01 06:08:52 Leeds, Yeah. :( I'm silly and was looking at the wrong logcat window Nov 01 06:08:56 Very long day... :/ Nov 01 06:12:59 Is it necessary to call System.gc() after I recycle a bitmap? Nov 01 06:13:14 That is, for the memory to actually be freed immediately? Nov 01 06:14:24 it gets removed pretty quickly if you recycle/remove refs, i don't think calling the GC explicitly is good in like 99% of cases Nov 01 06:50:48 what's wrong with this SQLite command? Nov 01 06:51:29 SELECT id, DISTINCT station_name .... Nov 01 06:51:50 how do I specify that I want all rows with a distinct station_name? Nov 01 06:54:16 RustyShackleford, select and distinct should be together Nov 01 06:54:34 SELECT DISTINCT id, station_name ... Nov 01 06:54:35 RustyShackleford, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/sqlite/SQLiteDatabase.html#query%28boolean,%20java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%5B%5D,%20java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%5B%5D,%20java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%29 Nov 01 06:59:05 alex_PP: every row in this database is distinct. I want all rows which have the same value for train_line, but distinct values for station_name Nov 01 06:59:13 Hi every body, Nov 01 06:59:19 I am from Afghanistan, Nov 01 06:59:29 and Working on Android Application Development, Nov 01 06:59:49 Most of people are using Android Smart Phones and Tablets Nov 01 07:00:17 They are complaining of not having Pashto(Afghanistan's National Language) on their devices, Nov 01 07:00:25 RustyShackleford, see GROUP BY Nov 01 07:00:37 could you please help me out to provide Pashto Support for Android Devices? Nov 01 07:01:17 baheer: That is a lot of work most likely. Are you familiar with android development? Nov 01 07:03:22 baheer: i would reccomend filing an issue on b.android.com Nov 01 07:03:42 baheer: I don't mean to offend you, but I was unaware the Afghanistan had it's own language Nov 01 07:03:54 do neighboring countries speak Pashto as well? Nov 01 07:04:11 No, Nov 01 07:04:15 once that is complete, let your friends know about it so they can star it. the more its is starred, the more attention it should get Nov 01 07:05:04 baheer: also, the googlers are usually more active here 9am-5pm PST Nov 01 07:05:14 so , the right people won't see your request Nov 01 07:05:43 so, how can I directly contact Google for this issue, Nov 01 07:05:57 This will help them out in their marketing, Nov 01 07:06:50 b.android.com Nov 01 07:06:59 Pashto is written right to left. That makes my brain hurt Nov 01 07:08:30 Yes, Nov 01 07:08:41 it is mostly like Arabic Nov 01 07:09:10 but We have 7 more characters which are obtained from the Arabic original characters, Nov 01 07:09:17 baheer: was english hard to learn because you write it in the opposite direction? Nov 01 07:09:56 Opposite?how Nov 01 07:10:25 english is written this way ----> while pashto is written this way <---- Nov 01 07:10:29 correct? Nov 01 07:10:45 Yes Nov 01 07:14:47 yaw siht nettirw si othsap Nov 01 07:16:25 baheer, call me old fashioned - but i prefer english than my native language when it comes to the it stuff. my native language is full of crazy ambiguous it terms Nov 01 07:20:08 Sculptor, what language would that be? Nov 01 07:20:40 You should try IT in Afrikaans - we just make up words in these failed attempts to get something that sounds right. Nov 01 07:21:21 I wish I could speak a language other than English Nov 01 07:21:23 serbian, of course Nov 01 07:25:06 Yes, true, Nov 01 07:25:51 but the customers can't speak english, Nov 01 07:26:15 As a Developer we should provide and make the interfaces easy to use it. Nov 01 07:28:07 baheer: what language do afghanis use their android phones in if Pashto is not supported? Nov 01 07:28:39 rule of thumb: user is stupid and lazy Nov 01 07:28:41 english? Nov 01 07:28:48 English of course, but they use it without knowing what is written their? Nov 01 07:29:01 that sounds awful Nov 01 07:29:54 what about when using a PC? Does Windows support Pashto? Nov 01 07:30:33 yes Nov 01 07:30:33 They use it like a braille device. Nov 01 07:30:51 Yes, Windows has Pashto Support, Nov 01 07:31:10 at least they can type Pashto on Windows, Nov 01 07:31:19 if the platform base is English, Nov 01 07:31:25 windows supports both pashto and dari Nov 01 07:31:34 exactly, Nov 01 07:38:34 I have problems with generated keys by keytool Nov 01 07:38:39 how do I reset it Nov 01 07:40:10 Windows apparently has incredible support for many languages Nov 01 07:40:23 g00s: that it does Nov 01 07:41:01 g00s: even for local dialects spoken by a small percentage of the French population for instance Nov 01 07:41:32 they don't support all languages, though Nov 01 07:41:48 can't we all just agree on one language? Nov 01 07:42:06 say, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbo_Gomero_language Nov 01 07:42:41 my dog hopes w8 supports the Canis lupus familiaris dialect Nov 01 07:43:09 "The language is a whistled form of a dialect of Spanish" Nov 01 07:43:12 wat Nov 01 07:44:37 yes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9I1pxj0 Nov 01 07:45:52 thats why they call it the Canary Islands Nov 01 07:46:27 this is awesome Nov 01 07:46:50 R2D2 on steroids Nov 01 07:47:14 was this just for yelling across a valley, or was this spoken conversationally? Nov 01 07:48:24 guess it's used for long distance communication - just like you guessed Nov 01 07:51:08 where did you hear about this? Nov 01 07:51:26 the interweb Nov 01 07:51:54 there are more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistled_language Nov 01 08:06:21 ok, battery monitor widget. i'm using 32x32 icnos to show a battery level. one icon is ~ 800byte .png. should i use 100 icons or use one and render battery level in code Nov 01 08:10:17 sounds like a job for canvas Nov 01 08:10:32 although you would only need 32 icons... Nov 01 08:11:11 the disk size of your PNG files hardly matters Nov 01 08:13:04 32 icons? Nov 01 08:13:10 romainguy: did you work on the new camera app w/Photo Sphere ? Nov 01 08:13:38 i thought you were just framework, but it seems like the kind of stuff you would like doing too :) Nov 01 08:40:41 is version of android for "tablet PC" same as for smartphones ? the difference only drivers ? Nov 01 08:45:16 whats a tablet PC Nov 01 08:46:00 like iPod Nov 01 08:46:57 Ravenheart its a pc with bill gates in it Nov 01 08:47:06 his ideas his personality his design tatste Nov 01 08:48:02 its "tablet computer" Nov 01 08:48:07 tablets have a wide range of resolutions and screen sizes Nov 01 08:48:16 that pretty much all you have to adjust for Nov 01 08:48:17 isnt "PC" and "computer" are same ? Nov 01 08:48:30 Anyone got have ZipEntry knowledge? Nov 01 08:48:38 Its a comptuer just that its more personal Nov 01 08:48:47 or else they would have to call it a distant computer Nov 01 08:48:52 got a second* + have zipentry knowledge Nov 01 08:50:14 Well, for anyone that picks this up: I am adding files to a new zipfile (A), and also copying the contents of another zipfile (B), into the (A) zipfile Nov 01 08:51:19 And when copying the contents of zip (B) into zip (A), it wont work with subfolders, only files on root Nov 01 08:51:54 I was extract zip (B) to sdcard, copying files into raw folders , then creating zip (A), but the addFilesToZip method seems more relasitic Nov 01 08:54:11 Im using a well written method found @(http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9300115/java-appending-files-into-a-zip/9305091#9305091) but, again is not working when the input Zip, has subfolders in it Nov 01 08:57:02 what exactly is Dalvik and how it's related to Android programming? Nov 01 08:57:38 tis a virtual machine Nov 01 08:57:56 a machine that lives in place where i call the matrix with morpheous and trinity and some say NEO Nov 01 08:58:05 @yarr Nov 01 08:58:34 da fu*@# what happaend to lambdabot Nov 01 08:59:09 sorry I meant the Dalvik cache. Is it the same? Nov 01 08:59:35 well i think it lives with the architext Nov 01 08:59:40 architect Nov 01 09:00:11 docvile: try using ZipFile, it might be easier, too... Nov 01 09:00:31 oh never mind. It's read-only Nov 01 09:01:06 Thanks atleast Nov 01 09:01:10 oh sweet antlr v4 book coming soon, which means antlr v4 is coming soon :) Nov 01 09:01:20 docvile: so anyway when you say "not working" what do you mean? Nov 01 09:01:22 wonder if this version will work better with android Nov 01 09:02:02 When I im adding the contents from zip (B) and it only has files on the root of the zip, it adds the contents to zip (A) successfully Nov 01 09:02:52 When zip (B) has children sub-folders, Im getting an error in logcat, related to size-mismatch, and then has an issue with the putNextEntry Nov 01 09:03:02 give me 1 moment and ill be exact Nov 01 09:03:32 * alankila wonders if files in zip have ordering constraints Nov 01 09:03:48 such as, does the directory entry foo/ need to occur before any files foo/bar Nov 01 09:03:48 and its not like i dont understand whats happening in the code, the previous method of (unzip, add to unzipped, rezip) worked fine, but im trying to not double the SDcard space needed Nov 01 09:04:37 I understand that alankila, but as far as i can understand, the code is written correctly to add folders to get to final path Nov 01 09:05:19 again the source im using for the addFilesToZip is @(http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9300115/java-appending-files-into-a-zip/9305091#9305091) Nov 01 09:08:28 * alankila is not sure zips even have those directory entries. Maybe they are fiction constructed by zipinputstream Nov 01 09:09:23 In theory, I should have no problem opening a stream to both zips, and instead of extracting to sdcard, just add each entry to the zip, the same way I would zipping from sdcard, correct? Nov 01 09:09:35 apparently the directories are real. Hmm. I guess zip specificaiton allows them, then. Nov 01 09:09:54 im getting logcat now, 1sec Nov 01 09:09:58 JakeWharton Nov 01 09:10:12 wow, evancharlton, gratz on being the op =) Nov 01 09:10:21 JakeWharton, is there anyway to change Menu Icons? Nov 01 09:12:31 http://pastebin.com/W7hCcMSM Nov 01 09:12:55 readAndVerifyDataDescriptor errors, with Size mismatch Nov 01 09:13:26 and it was after reading the first subfolders file, trying to copy diretly into other zipfile, (just a txt file) Nov 01 09:14:06 So... why would ((SherlockFragmentActivity) getActivity()).getSupportMenuInflater().inflate(R.menu.album_fragment_menu, menu); inside of a fragment cause a completely different menu, that's actually 2 menus combined to be inflated? Nov 01 09:14:33 if i dont try to copy files, and just write to log each file its navigating through the zip, it only gets threw one, so im thinking there is an issue with my for statement Nov 01 09:17:18 docvile: try adding zin.closeEntry() Nov 01 09:18:33 I don't think it should be necessary, but ... Nov 01 09:21:12 also it might be wrong to use the ZipEntry you get from inputstream directly at the outputstream. Perhaps a clone should be made. Nov 01 09:21:28 it's not obvious to me if you are allowed to do this. Nov 01 09:22:22 This (http://www.coderanch.com/t/275390//java/ZipException-invalid-entry-compressed-size) says something similar about the correct use of the inputstream and zipentry, but im not sure if its directly related to my problem, but im getting there Nov 01 09:24:42 the library determines corruption occurring at the inputstream here. I guess it thinks that the central directory data does not match with the zipentry data. My guess is that it is because you use the same zipentry at the outputstream, presently. Nov 01 09:25:56 This process causes recompression of the zipentry, and it might compress it at different size Nov 01 09:26:25 hence you get "size mismatch" exception when the inputstream validates it again Nov 01 09:26:45 though I have no fucking idea why it validates it after the fact. Nov 01 09:27:05 android java is not oracle java. These things are reimplementations. Nov 01 09:29:48 anyway just a guess. I have no idea why this ZipInputStream class goes through all these machinations in order to do its work Nov 01 09:30:00 well, for what its worth, when modifying the 2nd part of the code on the stackoverflow page, to just show the output of each file being read in the zip (B), i get this error about navigating entries Nov 01 09:30:01 http://pastebin.com/6cDbZ516 Nov 01 09:30:39 you didn't write anything in the output zip then? Nov 01 09:30:53 note that the exception is about zipoutputstream Nov 01 09:30:54 the code to add entries to the zip (A) works fine, the code to copy from zip (B) to zip (A) errors, Nov 01 09:31:09 anyway I think I have solved your problem. Why don't you try the solution. Nov 01 09:31:13 so ive changed it to just show that last pastebin, to let me see if its navigating through all entries Nov 01 09:31:32 To recap, the problem is reusing the ZipEntry you got from input stream at the output stream. Nov 01 09:31:39 you need to make a clone of it Nov 01 09:31:49 your solution : create a new ZipEntry with the stream of what is being read? Nov 01 09:32:23 just don't do zos.putNextEntry(zin.getNextEntry()). Try ZipEntry clone = (ZipEntry) ze.clone(); or something Nov 01 09:33:03 and jesus christ, when is java going to give us Cloneable Nov 01 09:34:50 [out.putNextEntry(new ZipEntry(ze));] instead of [out.putNextEntry(ze);] ? Nov 01 09:34:58 if that works, yes Nov 01 09:35:06 * alankila did not check what methods there are to make clones Nov 01 09:35:12 :giving it a shot now: Nov 01 09:35:28 yes, this is cloning constructor Nov 01 09:35:29 good Nov 01 09:36:00 wow. Nov 01 09:36:05 Ive spent days, and that worked. Nov 01 09:36:19 im reluctant to come in here, Thank you alankila - gave me some hope Nov 01 09:36:57 You sir, for what its worth, just made my week Nov 01 09:37:08 of fuck Cloneable is a tagging interface. So that's why we don't have Cloneable Nov 01 09:37:46 well, I'm happy it worked out for you. Nov 01 09:38:41 i really cant beleive thats all it was. fml Nov 01 09:38:55 you should have taken a look at android source code for ZipInputStream Nov 01 09:39:20 you would have seen that it validates the sizes when the inputstream entry is closed, and if you look at zipoutputstream, it overwrites these values Nov 01 09:39:34 so it works out that it complains about a size mismatch Nov 01 09:40:14 if it works with oracle java, though, then it's a bug in android that should probably be fixed Nov 01 09:40:21 there's this sort of things here and there Nov 01 09:40:34 im still a virgin, im still trying to get to 2nd base over here Nov 01 09:41:01 (i dont know java worth a shit yet) Nov 01 09:41:19 just enough to get past complete idiotness Nov 01 09:42:19 so while ive read the developer pages on zis and zos, i dont have a fucking clue what half of it means, in relation to how i understand the rules of java Nov 01 09:42:48 there are no rules of java. Or the language is basically C with object extensions and no pointers (memory management instead) Nov 01 09:43:02 everything else you might call java is more properly termed the class library. Nov 01 09:43:35 I'm happy to say that oracle jdk has a quite high quality class library by this point. I suspect it is better implementation-wise than android's class library. Nov 01 09:43:45 im a longtime vb.net guy -- i understand some C, just dont know the ruling of the syntax, same for java, i understand it, but dont know the syntax rules, along with better OOP technique Nov 01 09:45:53 Hm. Okay, well, you should familiarize yourself with the C family of languages, which I see java being part of, personally. All the most popular languages are C based. Nov 01 09:46:06 Well, heres another one : The list of files im throwing at (addToZip) is actually just the dir.listFiles(), I actually need to grab only certain files i want, and already have set as array, but I havent yet tackled the ArrayList, adding to a new List of Files Nov 01 09:46:07 alankila: i really wonder what will happen there; will oracle keep diverging ? Nov 01 09:46:26 thanks, that was actually what advice ive been looking for (learning the basics behind C) rather than just trying to learn androids use of java Nov 01 09:46:28 g00s: it's up to the schmucks at google to fix this trainwreck Nov 01 09:46:55 oracle is continuing that lawsuit, too Nov 01 09:47:45 oh? Well, they sure love their ownership of java language. I personally would be delighted to see libluni thrown out and the GPL's java imported in its place, but first we must probably hire hitmen to kill the oracle execs and leave some kind of threatening message like "as long as you fight against java, you fight for your life" Nov 01 09:48:14 they are still going forward with jme also :| Nov 01 09:48:24 well that is just utterly hopeless Nov 01 09:49:08 anyway patent/ownership dispute resolution russian style would probably be a new thing in american business climate Nov 01 09:49:44 it will start to get weird when i can't use java libraries because they require java 7 or something Nov 01 09:50:45 yeah, i wish they would just license the crap from oracle or something Nov 01 09:50:45 that day is surely coming. Android really needs to get the its dalvik compiler updated to handle 7's version and extensions. I'm all 7 myself, except of course for android Nov 01 09:50:58 I take every chance I can get to get rid of the shit I have to write between < and > Nov 01 09:51:31 maybe they will just toss it all and replace it with dart or go Nov 01 09:51:32 :D Nov 01 09:51:35 and in fact I'd prefer to leave even <> out Nov 01 09:51:52 well, given how clunky the android programming experience is, I can't say I'd blame them for such a choice Nov 01 09:52:32 but if you do a next-gen android development thing you have to pick your poison very carefully. It's not easy to make a world-class mobile applications programming framework, and I would expect the end result to still run on dalvik Nov 01 09:52:58 there's just too many man-years of engineering effort on it already. Everything works with it. I'd be surprised if they could replace it all in one step with something on top of the C++ stuff Nov 01 09:53:01 also, the usual issue - goog could decide to update something on the next release, but again we would be supporting old stuff for … a long time Nov 01 09:53:14 of course, but nobody can fix that Nov 01 09:53:56 so it seems things are out of control Nov 01 09:54:09 wouldn't particularly surprise me to see them just 'fork' Java Nov 01 09:54:28 that would suck tho; i use a bunch of regular java libraries :| Nov 01 09:54:36 Leeds: I would, because you really want to benefit from the wider java ecosystem Nov 01 09:54:55 if anything, the push should be towards complaince with java 7 such that as many libraries as humanly possible could be just dumped on android and used Nov 01 09:55:00 at this point the Android ecosystem is perfectly capable of standing on its own feet Nov 01 09:55:23 I don't necessarily mean fork incompatibly, but, say, pick and choose some stuff from J7 without trying to be full compatible Nov 01 09:55:29 no. It's just silly to throw away the 15 years or so of java library work Nov 01 09:55:47 That is not a path that makes sense either. I doubt the java 7 changes are very invasive. Nov 01 09:56:26 there's class library crap of course, so someone would have to update that. I am not sure how much new stuff there is, though. Nov 01 09:56:36 point is that - particularly given that Google doesn't get along with the 'owner' of Java - it wouldn't be a bad thing for them to stake out some independence Nov 01 09:56:49 but libraries are not so likely to use that, it's the compiler support (and runtime support, if required) that is more important Nov 01 09:57:13 well, whatever they decide to do, i'm sure we'll be the last to know :| Nov 01 09:57:27 yes it would. You really don't want to engineer a pointless incompatibility that makes android an outsider citizen. :-/ Nov 01 09:58:26 it's outsider enough as is. The goal should imho definitely be towards full compatibility. Nov 01 09:58:40 yeah, i would be happier with that Nov 01 09:58:48 java 8 has some useful features Nov 01 09:58:51 and by full I mean bug-for-bug. Nov 01 09:59:17 I read that as bug for hug Nov 01 09:59:40 you can definitely get bugs if you hug android Nov 01 09:59:43 hugs for bugs? it could be a thing. Nov 01 10:00:00 again, easiest thing to do would be to throw libluni out and import the goddamn GPL java instead, but we can't fix that until oracle exces wind up in dark alleys with fingertips cut off, the way this is going Nov 01 10:11:58 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57543397-94/defense-department-drops-exclusive-contract-for-blackberry/ Nov 01 10:12:09 saw that yesterday Nov 01 10:12:46 i saw it before you were born Nov 01 10:15:09