**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:58 2012
Nov 06 03:02:11 <napster> How can I change the fragment children of a viewPager on the go?
Nov 06 03:02:33 <napster> I want to replace fragmentX at a position with fragmentY
Nov 06 03:03:12 <napster> I use a FragmentPagerAdapter for this pager
Nov 06 03:06:05 <CVirus> How can I use these constants http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.styleable.html#FrameLayout_Layout_layout_gravity ?
Nov 06 03:06:38 <JakeWharton> napster: invalidate the adpater that backs it
Nov 06 03:06:50 <JakeWharton> return a different fragment for whatever page you want
Nov 06 03:06:54 <CVirus> Gravitiy.top ?
Nov 06 03:07:01 <napster> invalidate, ok let me check
Nov 06 03:07:31 <JakeWharton> notifyDataSetChanged
Nov 06 03:08:03 <napster> JakeWharton: ok that seems to be it
Nov 06 03:08:05 <napster> ty :)
Nov 06 03:23:52 <tdignan> CVirus: http://lifeisimple.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/android-using-r-styleable/
Nov 06 03:24:52 <tdignan> styleables allow you to define styles: https://github.com/tom-dignan/nifty/blob/master/res/values/attrs.xml
Nov 06 03:24:59 <tdignan> see that example styleable
Nov 06 03:28:45 <tdignan> https://gist.github.com/a18ca27a4de8d87a58af <-- when you have a styleable, you can make a style
Nov 06 03:28:50 <napster> JakeWharton: notifying the adapter does not change the child fragment :(
Nov 06 03:29:01 <napster> I mean even after setting the correct data
Nov 06 03:29:09 <tdignan> see also: http://blog.stylingandroid.com/
Nov 06 03:30:14 <lasserix> napster: notifydataset changed only works if you use add/remove methods on the list
Nov 06 03:30:25 <lasserix> otherwise you have to initialize a new adapter and reset the listview
Nov 06 03:30:58 <Leeds> regedit: good news!
Nov 06 03:31:16 <regedit> yup ;)
Nov 06 03:31:45 <lasserix> napster: *by list I mean use the array adapter methods clear() and add() and then call notifydatasetchanged()
Nov 06 03:32:57 <Sculptor> ok, toggling gps on/off  - clearly there's no standard way to do it
Nov 06 03:33:26 <Sculptor> some toggling widgets most likely use some dirty hacks
Nov 06 03:33:39 <Sculptor> any experiences in that area?
Nov 06 03:36:17 <tdignan> Sculptor: uh, iirc there is a way.. I would have to look at my code
Nov 06 03:36:32 <tdignan> system settings or using an intent to take the user to their settings.
Nov 06 03:37:33 <Sculptor> yes, you should be able to do that - but that's not a 1-click way
Nov 06 03:38:29 <tdignan> um, system settings would be if there is such a key, which I think there is
Nov 06 03:38:53 <tdignan> I forget what I did. Let me take a look
Nov 06 03:38:59 <Sculptor> thanks
Nov 06 03:41:30 <tdignan> yeah, I used an intent
Nov 06 03:41:35 <tdignan> it's only doable with a hack like you thought
Nov 06 03:41:39 <tdignan> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4721449/enable-gps-programatically-like-tasker
Nov 06 03:41:52 <tdignan> but thanks, this will make a nice addition to my collection of android favorites
Nov 06 03:42:18 <Sculptor> oggled by exploiting a bug in the power manager widget. ?
Nov 06 03:42:24 <Sculptor> that's fixed iirc
Nov 06 03:42:51 <Sculptor> i read tons of scackoverflow gps toggling posts
Nov 06 03:42:51 <tdignan> "At the time of this (my) comment, the links in this answer seem to indicate that the bug this exploits has recently been fixed. I just wanted to point out that the exploit still seems to work just fine in my own test environment, so you shouldn't give up on trying this... just be sure that your code will handle any errors if it doesn't work! "
Nov 06 03:43:44 <tdignan> there's always Build.VERSION
Nov 06 03:43:49 <tdignan> use the hack on old versions
Nov 06 03:43:54 <Sculptor> guess you could implement all the hacks that are out there, and if all fail, you could flash a gps settings menu for user to do it manually
Nov 06 03:44:32 <tdignan> just fall back on this http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html#BRICK
Nov 06 03:47:24 <Sculptor> another brick in the wall
Nov 06 03:47:37 <tdignan> going to get off irc so i stop wasting time
Nov 06 03:47:39 <tdignan> see ya
Nov 06 03:47:43 <Sculptor> are there appls on market with the android.permission.BRICK requirement
Nov 06 03:47:49 <Sculptor> playstore
Nov 06 03:53:17 <SpeedEvil> it would be awesome to be able to search by permission
Nov 06 03:55:15 <napster> oh god, a bug in android support lib wastes more than 4 hours. JakeWharton : "FragmentPagerAdapter doesn’t respond to notifyDataSetChanged()"
Nov 06 03:55:49 <napster> You reported this as well : http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=19110
Nov 06 03:57:38 <Irwin> Anyone have any luck setting the radius of radial gradients in XML with % values?  It only seems to work with hard pixel values.
Nov 06 04:00:41 <whomp_> why is it that, when i set my textview height and my font in dp, do they turn out to have different relative sizes on different screens? on one phone, i can fit twice as many lines of text in the box as on another phone
Nov 06 04:02:28 <Irwin> The devices may have different DPIs.  http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html#overview
Nov 06 04:11:09 <|KNERD|> groovy..I am d/l the nVida Tegra visual studio addin
Nov 06 04:13:42 <sampullman> anyone know how to reset the camera?
Nov 06 04:14:06 <sampullman> somehow i broke it screwing around with some jni code, and even the regular camera app doesn't work anymore
Nov 06 04:16:19 <alex_PP> have you tried turning it off and an again?
Nov 06 04:16:26 <alex_PP> *on
Nov 06 04:16:53 <Sculptor> roy
Nov 06 04:17:47 <sampullman> yes, that's why im asking the internet box
Nov 06 04:54:05 <lasserix> If I am making custon "icons" to go with text titles for a gridview, how should I size the icons (I'm making them with inkscape) to handle different screen densities?
Nov 06 04:54:27 <lasserix> Just use a ratio of sizes consistent with recomended menu icon sizes?
Nov 06 04:54:39 <g00s> lasserix: did you see the design guidelines :P
Nov 06 04:55:02 <lasserix> they are not icons per say
Nov 06 04:55:53 <lasserix> they are icons in the sense they symbolize, but I am just putting them their because the listview is boring (sort of a dashboard of choice for 8 catagories)
Nov 06 04:55:58 <lasserix> *there
Nov 06 04:56:31 <g00s> maybe boring is better
Nov 06 04:56:54 <lasserix> nah it's a list of 8 choices, I wanted to turn it into a 2x4 gridview with icons to accompany
Nov 06 04:57:28 <lasserix> i wanted to take a break from coding to do some graphical end stuff, anyways and have the icons done, i am just wondering how to size them since they should be bigger than all the icons in the design guide
Nov 06 04:57:42 <lasserix> i'll just use a consistent resizing ratio based off the menu icon dimensions
Nov 06 04:58:03 <g00s> i dont see how this will improve usability
Nov 06 04:58:50 <g00s> but anyhow, i guess you saw this and didn't find an answer here http://developer.android.com/design/style/metrics-grids.html
Nov 06 04:59:32 <lasserix> goos: it won't necessarily, but its just a bit of polish.
Nov 06 04:59:41 <lasserix> ohh ! thanks that is exactly what i've been looking for for sometime
Nov 06 05:04:24 <RustyShackleford> I'm trying to abstract my database further by making some member functions for querying the database
Nov 06 05:06:48 <RustyShackleford> so what I'm noticing: if I return a Cursor from a query, but close the database before I use the Cursor, it causes a NullPointerException
Nov 06 05:07:24 <mrenouf> uh, yeah
Nov 06 05:07:33 <mrenouf> always close your cursors
Nov 06 05:08:03 <mrenouf> the cursor should never outlive the db
Nov 06 05:13:48 <canadiancow> Transaction Amount/Currency: 2.00 CAD Merchant Name: GOOGLE *MARKETPLACE
Nov 06 05:13:52 <canadiancow> any ideas what the heck htat is
Nov 06 05:14:00 <canadiancow> it's not showing up in my wallet account transaction history
Nov 06 05:14:08 <g00s> canadiancow: they milked you
Nov 06 05:14:17 <canadiancow> reminds me of my last month at zynga
Nov 06 05:14:23 <canadiancow> i had like 30 $0.99 charges on my card
Nov 06 05:15:07 <Leeds> testing payments?
Nov 06 05:15:41 <canadiancow> yea
Nov 06 05:15:49 <canadiancow> we were having issues with in app billing :P
Nov 06 05:16:02 <Leeds> surely not! :)
Nov 06 05:16:10 <canadiancow> but i fixed them
Nov 06 05:16:27 <canadiancow> my last pull request deleted roughly 10,000 lines of code
Nov 06 05:16:36 <canadiancow> i showed it to my manager and he wasnt sure if i was joking or not
Nov 06 05:16:40 <canadiancow> (this was like my last day there)
Nov 06 05:18:03 <kevinb> always nice when you can fix bugs by deleting code
Nov 06 05:18:11 <canadiancow> it wasnt so much "fixing bugs"
Nov 06 05:18:15 <canadiancow> as it was "this code is never run"
Nov 06 05:18:23 <canadiancow> "these resources are never referenced"
Nov 06 05:18:23 <canadiancow> etc
Nov 06 05:18:46 <pfn> last day at zynga?
Nov 06 05:18:50 <pfn> where are you now?
Nov 06 05:19:00 <g00s> greener pastures
Nov 06 05:19:09 <Leeds> on the beach with a cocktail
Nov 06 05:19:15 <Leeds> IPO money, y'know ;)
Nov 06 05:19:16 <canadiancow> lol
Nov 06 05:19:25 <canadiancow> yea, all $5000 or whatever its worth now
Nov 06 05:19:34 <shmooz> like the movie Office Space
Nov 06 05:20:09 <Leeds> I think Zynga is still worth slightly more than $5k... just slightly
Nov 06 05:20:15 <canadiancow> no i mean all my stock
Nov 06 05:20:33 <Leeds> oh, I thought you meant the entire company :)
Nov 06 05:20:36 <canadiancow> no
Nov 06 05:25:20 <canadiancow> whats with all this voting talk
Nov 06 05:25:25 <canadiancow> is election day coming up soon?
Nov 06 05:25:39 <Leeds> nah, you missed it
Nov 06 05:25:50 <g00s> yes. you have to choose between bad and bad
Nov 06 05:26:12 <Leeds> no politics, please...
Nov 06 05:26:18 <canadiancow> well i dont know if i can "miss" it or "choose"
Nov 06 05:26:25 <canadiancow> i havent been paying much attention since i cant vote
Nov 06 05:27:29 <pfn> tomorrow is election day
Nov 06 05:28:30 <RustyShackleford> oh man. let's not talk about the election...
Nov 06 05:28:49 <RustyShackleford> I can't wait till it's over so my dad will shut the fuck up
Nov 06 05:30:15 <Leeds> meh, lunchtime... everyone play nice and non-partisan while I'm gone :)
Nov 06 05:30:28 <g00s> someday, there could be a cow in the whitehouse ...
Nov 06 05:31:36 <canadiancow> really? who
Nov 06 05:31:38 <g00s> ah, Mary Meeker gives some insights. this lady is amazingly smart. http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/05/mary-meeker-internet-trends
Nov 06 05:37:49 <canadiancow> ffs tmobile is shit in my apartment
Nov 06 05:37:56 <canadiancow> but att is like 50% more expensive
Nov 06 05:38:30 <pragma-> more like your apartment is shit
Nov 06 05:41:23 <RustyShackleford> what happens if I call getReadableDatabase() and then don't close that database?
Nov 06 05:41:33 <canadiancow> pragma-, do you ever stop trolling
Nov 06 05:41:47 <canadiancow> RustyShackleford, bad news bears
Nov 06 05:43:09 <RustyShackleford> if I query a database and recieve a Cursor, the database has to stay open?
Nov 06 05:43:31 <RustyShackleford> maybe I should put this up on pastebin
Nov 06 05:43:42 <RustyShackleford> rather than trying to ask questions
Nov 06 05:43:48 <whomp_> i need to optimize my view - it consists of, counting children, 18 relative layouts, 10 textviews, and 11 imageviews. what are some things i could try? is it faster to have small images that are scaled up? would a framelayout be faster to draw than a relativelayout? etc, etc, etc...
Nov 06 05:44:31 <canadiancow> can you psate the xml?
Nov 06 05:44:35 <canadiancow> pastebin***
Nov 06 05:46:05 <whomp_> sure
Nov 06 05:47:06 <lasserix> Anyone know how to drag an object along a straight line in inkscape (like in photoshop you hold shift and drag). I know it's not android per say, but the inkscape channel only has tumbleweeds blowing around
Nov 06 05:47:50 <lasserix> whomp you can use view hierchy viewer it'll show you redudent layouts
Nov 06 05:48:07 <whomp_> https://gist.github.com/a487cf8dca1d57c6b270
Nov 06 05:48:18 <whomp_> none of them are redundant
Nov 06 05:48:18 <g00s> lasserix: yeah, i think you press ctrl
Nov 06 05:48:28 <RustyShackleford> I'm trying to make some conveniece functions so I don't have to deal with column names and such
Nov 06 05:48:29 <RustyShackleford> http://pastebin.com/sTTucicX
Nov 06 05:48:48 <RustyShackleford> this doesn't work, although it does if I comment out db.close();
Nov 06 05:51:49 <lasserix> goos: thanks
Nov 06 05:52:26 <RustyShackleford> i don't like how this app is quickly turning into a Rube Goldburg Machine
Nov 06 05:52:50 <lasserix> hehe
Nov 06 05:53:16 <lasserix> I believe it's because the cursor still holds a reference to the database
Nov 06 05:53:42 <lasserix> *why it crashes
Nov 06 05:54:43 <whomp_> canadiancow, did you see what i posted?
Nov 06 05:55:13 <RustyShackleford> lasserix: That is my hunch as well. And so how do I work around this?
Nov 06 05:55:22 <RustyShackleford> is it ok to just never close the database
Nov 06 05:55:28 <lasserix> RustyShakleford the key is to open the database in the constructor of the helper and then close the database in the ondestory method of the containing activity
Nov 06 05:55:42 <lasserix> OR return just the information you need, not the cursor
Nov 06 05:56:08 <canadiancow> sorry whomp_ i was afk
Nov 06 05:56:12 <whomp_> np
Nov 06 05:56:34 <canadiancow> anyway im too tired
Nov 06 05:56:40 <canadiancow> ive already been doing android for like 12 hours today
Nov 06 05:56:45 <canadiancow> but now that its up, maybe someone else can help :)
Nov 06 05:56:46 <RustyShackleford> the database will not ever be modified (atleast, it's not supposed to)
Nov 06 05:56:53 <lasserix> then the former should be fine
Nov 06 05:56:55 <RustyShackleford> maybe I should make this a static class?
Nov 06 05:57:00 <lasserix> you don't need too
Nov 06 05:57:23 <whomp_> kk
Nov 06 05:57:25 <RustyShackleford> my goal is to make some convenience methods for querying the database
Nov 06 05:57:42 <whomp_> can anyone else help me optimize my layout? it takes like 90ms to draw right now. https://gist.github.com/a487cf8dca1d57c6b270
Nov 06 05:57:44 <lasserix> just make mDatabase a field of the SqliteHelperclass and thenin the constructor open it, and make another method to close it that you call in the activity's ondestroy
Nov 06 05:58:26 <lasserix> whomp_ use a linearlayout root
Nov 06 05:59:43 <lasserix> Dale: did that make sense? You can open the database when the activity starts (in the constructor of the sqlitehelper) and just leave it open the entire time, making sure to close it in OnDestroy
Nov 06 06:00:39 <lasserix> err I mean Rusty Shakleford
Nov 06 06:00:45 <lasserix> ;p
Nov 06 06:00:49 <RustyShackleford> I'm a little confused. Does each instance have it's own SQLiteDatabase object?
Nov 06 06:00:58 <RustyShackleford> i find that confusing
Nov 06 06:01:15 <lasserix> usually you only have one sqlite helper
Nov 06 06:01:29 <RustyShackleford> public void onCreate(SQLiteDatabase arg0)
Nov 06 06:02:17 <RustyShackleford> does each instance of my SQLiteHelper recieve a reference to the same SQLiteDatabase?
Nov 06 06:02:38 <whomp_> will do. it's also telling me in hierarchyviewer that views that are set to GONE are taking .5ms to draw? why?
Nov 06 06:02:58 <lasserix> whomp_ no idea sorry
Nov 06 06:03:09 <lasserix> Rusty: i use only one instance of sqlitehelper class
Nov 06 06:03:36 <lasserix> you can make it static if you want, just make sure that you close all opened databases in the ondestroy if you want to use multiple instances of the sqlite helper
Nov 06 06:03:57 <lasserix> *i believe you want to avoid having multiple connections to same database though
Nov 06 06:04:07 <lasserix> *multiple open connections
Nov 06 06:04:52 <RustyShackleford> hm. I think I will make it a singleton so I don't mess this up later
Nov 06 06:04:54 <lasserix> Rusty Shackleford do you use fragments? I just have a state fragment that holds the sqlite helper and then in all ui fragments I just get a handle on that state fragment and use it's sqlite helper
Nov 06 06:05:24 <RustyShackleford> haven't gotten to fragments or very much GUI yet
Nov 06 06:05:24 <lasserix> *yeah that's one way to do it
Nov 06 06:05:41 <RustyShackleford> it's a huge sdk
Nov 06 06:06:49 <lasserix> fragments will make your life a factorial times easier
Nov 06 06:07:01 <RustyShackleford> programming is alot more fun when you are familiar with the libraries already
Nov 06 06:07:40 <RustyShackleford> aren't there issues with using Fragment on  < 4.0
Nov 06 06:08:13 <RustyShackleford> support package is needed?
Nov 06 06:08:16 <relipse> any programmers want to try out my latest creation, a time logger to bill your employer
Nov 06 06:08:30 <relipse> are there any experienced android programmers here?
Nov 06 06:08:34 <franzks> Hello, I am new to using ActionBars and I have seen and tried a lot of apps where they have a persistent ActionBar at the top and the rest of the app seems to be of different activities. What is this approach called? Don't have to give me any code, just need to know the name so I can Google it and learn it myself.
Nov 06 06:09:26 <franzks> For example, there is a drop down list in the ActionBar and every time you press an item in the list, the content changes to what seems to be a different activity
Nov 06 06:09:42 <franzks> But the ActionBar remains persistent.
Nov 06 06:11:31 <lasserix> Shackleford: support package is included by default
Nov 06 06:14:38 <franzks> Wait I get it, I think it's called a pager
Nov 06 06:16:14 <whomp_> why would views that are set to GONE take up time during drawing?
Nov 06 06:16:51 <Sculptor> i'm using imagebutton. what's the easiest way to animate its src bitmap - to toggle between two bitmaps
Nov 06 06:18:12 <whomp_> Sculptor, look up animators. a viewswitcher is good if you want to animate between multiple views
Nov 06 06:18:37 <whomp_> i'm assuming you want a fade or something equally snazzy
Nov 06 06:19:49 <Sculptor> no, say, i want my battery button, that normally shows battery level, to be animated when usb/ac is pluggged in - during charging - one frame'd show battery level - the other frame'd show usb/ac icon
Nov 06 06:20:42 <Sculptor> and frames'd switch at the rate of 1Hz
Nov 06 06:22:20 <whomp_> make a runnable that switches the view, then look at Handler's post methods to give it delay
Nov 06 06:23:17 <Sculptor> i'll try, thanks
Nov 06 06:23:50 <lasserix> franzks pager indicator by jake wharton look it up?
Nov 06 06:24:00 <JakeWharton> fanzks?!?
Nov 06 06:24:10 <JakeWharton> oh, you're mentioning him
Nov 06 06:24:57 <JakeWharton> you're looking for fragments it would seem
Nov 06 06:25:06 <JakeWharton> they are management containers around Views which can be swapped using a transactional API
Nov 06 06:25:23 <Sculptor> AnimationDrawable looks interesting
Nov 06 06:33:41 <g00s> Leeds: back from lunch?
Nov 06 06:37:15 <whomp_> i need to measure fps. is it accurate just to use dispatchDraw to increment the count of frames shown?
Nov 06 06:41:45 <lasserix> whomp if you have a ics device you can turn on fps counter in dev settings
Nov 06 06:42:35 <relipse> can anyone [programmer] who codes for hourly wage please give my new website a shot - http://cworklog.com
Nov 06 06:50:22 <Codhisattva> relipse: that's damn minimalist. even for 2012
Nov 06 06:55:35 <relipse> lol i need to get a designer to come up wtih a theme for it and stuff
Nov 06 07:02:41 <napster> Is it possible to disable swiping to the right on a viewPager?
Nov 06 07:03:32 <Leeds> g00s: hi?
Nov 06 07:05:39 <g00s> Leeds: you might know this: reading his article (q/a) http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/android-nexus-strategy/ … "they want to force the price to be so high that operators have to subsidize the devices very highly. " high prices mean larger margins of course; but is there some other benefit to oems when a carrier subsidizes the device ?
Nov 06 07:06:29 <whomp_> relipse, check out twitter bootstrap
Nov 06 07:10:23 <Leeds> g00s: dunno... I'd guess what he's saying is that both the hardware manufacturers and consumers are addicted to the subsidies - consumers expect phones at $200-ish prices, while manufacturers expect to get $300 on top of that from the carrier...
Nov 06 07:10:39 <Leeds> you might argue that is one of the reasons why service prices are high in the US...
Nov 06 07:10:54 <relipse> what is twitter bootstrap
Nov 06 07:10:56 <g00s> perhaps
Nov 06 07:11:28 <whomp_> look it up
Nov 06 07:11:59 <relipse> oh to help me design my website?
Nov 06 07:12:06 <relipse> not sure i even want a framework
Nov 06 07:12:10 <Leeds> it's a nice toolkit
Nov 06 07:12:27 <whomp_> if you don't want to spend too much time on the design, it's the way to go
Nov 06 07:14:03 <relipse> is it good with php?
Nov 06 07:14:10 <Leeds> it's getting off-topic
Nov 06 07:14:20 <Leeds> but *nothing* is good with php
Nov 06 07:15:03 <tophyr> annoyed at the article link at the bottom
Nov 06 07:15:18 <tophyr> "Like Apple, Google Now Has Devices That Come in Three Sizes"
Nov 06 07:15:32 <tophyr> preeeeeeeeetty sure the N4/7/10 launch actually came before the iPad Mini launch
Nov 06 07:16:04 <tophyr> and the original Galaxy Tab, the first 7" i knew of, was what... a year and a half prior to iPad Mini?
Nov 06 07:16:06 <tophyr> grr.
Nov 06 07:16:45 <Sculptor> tophyr, hah, another apple faggotry
Nov 06 07:17:08 <Sculptor> apple has : 1. released a phone with a bigger screen 2. released a mid sized tablet
Nov 06 07:17:45 <Sculptor> apple is accomodating to the market, not the other way around
Nov 06 07:17:48 <Sculptor> their days are numbered
Nov 06 07:20:12 <g00s> there is very little new under the sun
Nov 06 07:20:53 <Leeds> ITYM under the oracle
Nov 06 07:28:43 <lasserix> is there a way to search google images for a specific extension?
Nov 06 07:30:31 <rsv> my device does not have a default headset jack. only speakers, what changes i need to make in android to accomadate this
Nov 06 07:58:37 <alex_PP> lasserix, type:png i think
Nov 06 07:58:59 <tophyr> is there any way to add a fragment to a view that *doesn't* have an id?
Nov 06 07:59:15 <tophyr> i programmatically set my contentView to a FrameLayout, and would like to add the fragment to it.
Nov 06 08:01:14 <tophyr> android.R.id.content
Nov 06 08:01:17 <tophyr> is the answer
Nov 06 08:24:14 <tophyr> at line 8 in my layout xml at https://gist.github.com/4023442, Android is yelling at me telling me that the TextView needs to have layout_width/height defined. they're clearly defined in the style applied, which works for everything else there. why would they not work in this instance?
Nov 06 08:27:36 <Sculptor>          style="style/confirm_signer_unlinked_explanation"
Nov 06 08:27:38 <Sculptor> you lack @
Nov 06 08:29:27 <tophyr> kabingo
Nov 06 08:29:36 <tophyr> grazie mille Sculptor.. was looking @ the TV above it
Nov 06 08:29:53 <Sculptor> o/
Nov 06 08:29:53 <tophyr> interesting that it yelled at me about that instead of a syntax error
Nov 06 08:47:51 <RazielZ> If I have my app's apk built with debug an all that, it should be easy to get the source and everything out of it right?
Nov 06 08:47:56 <RazielZ> I had a catastrophic hard drive failure >.>
Nov 06 08:58:26 <monkyfoniks> any idea why eclipse will break viewing xml files every few minutes
Nov 06 08:58:40 <monkyfoniks> text and stuff just randomly dissapears et
Nov 06 08:58:41 <monkyfoniks> c
Nov 06 08:58:58 <pragma-> because it's ecplise
Nov 06 08:59:02 <b0c1> 1
Nov 06 08:59:03 <b0c1> :D
Nov 06 08:59:37 <b0c1> buy idea :)
Nov 06 08:59:43 <b0c1> intellij
Nov 06 08:59:54 <monkyfoniks> thanks, that helps alot
Nov 06 09:00:03 <pragma-> all ides are crap, just use an editor
Nov 06 09:00:07 <b0c1> sry :)
Nov 06 09:00:17 <pragma-> command-line building is the way to go
Nov 06 09:00:24 <b0c1> notepad++
Nov 06 09:00:26 <b0c1> :D
Nov 06 09:00:45 <b0c1> monkyfoniks: eclipse version?
Nov 06 09:01:13 <monkyfoniks> ah yes of course, layout building will be 4 times 1uicker in npp :P
Nov 06 09:01:18 <monkyfoniks> q*
Nov 06 09:01:26 <monkyfoniks> juno
Nov 06 09:01:29 <pragma-> auto-generated layouts make a crappy app
Nov 06 09:01:30 <RazielZ> Lol
Nov 06 09:01:36 <RazielZ> Eclipse does that here too, but pretty rarely
Nov 06 09:01:47 <monkyfoniks> no i still use direct xml editing
Nov 06 09:01:56 <RazielZ> Also, I just use auto-generated for reference, basically. It's pretty useful
Nov 06 09:01:57 <b0c1> try to use 3.x series...
Nov 06 09:02:05 <pragma-> like RelativeLayout is so hard to XML
Nov 06 09:02:06 <monkyfoniks> i just dont want to build every few seconds to see a change every few hours
Nov 06 09:02:36 <b0c1> monkyfoniks: draw into the paper, and create a layout by hand...
Nov 06 09:02:53 <monkyfoniks> -_-
Nov 06 09:02:55 <b0c1> :D
Nov 06 09:03:13 <RazielZ> I made layouts from drawings my designer did
Nov 06 09:03:14 <RazielZ> E-z
Nov 06 09:04:34 <pragma-> it's probably hard for him because he's probably the kind of person that googles for java code to copy/paste into his app
Nov 06 09:04:40 <g00s> would have been cool if on android's 5th bday, we got some new tools or something
Nov 06 09:05:00 <Ge0rG> g00s: or at least some bugs fixed
Nov 06 09:05:16 <g00s> heh, yeah that too :)
Nov 06 09:05:21 <b0c1> pragma-: no, the problem is the books and tutorials about android
Nov 06 09:05:25 <Ge0rG> or maybe android 4.2
Nov 06 09:05:43 <g00s> … and that too :D
Nov 06 09:05:54 * Ge0rG now wonders if he could convince his employer to get a nexus 4, an ultrabook for development or both
Nov 06 09:06:38 <g00s> we got a bday present from verizon; they killed their vcast store ;)
Nov 06 09:06:58 <monkyfoniks> yes pragma- you got me, you probably the kind of kid that still lives with his parents in a dusty basment. congratz you are the best programmer in the world
Nov 06 09:07:11 <pragma-> thanks, man
Nov 06 09:07:16 <monkyfoniks> np
Nov 06 09:07:37 <pragma-> you hear that, guys?  i'm the best programmer in the world.
Nov 06 09:08:05 <RazielZ> I used to google for java code to paste into my app too!
Nov 06 09:08:09 <RazielZ> Well. Sort of.
Nov 06 09:08:13 <monkyfoniks> and only a kid non the less
Nov 06 09:08:23 <g00s> wat … the 16gb international galaxy note II goes for $799 ? thats nuts
Nov 06 09:08:29 <RazielZ> Wut
Nov 06 09:08:36 <RazielZ> Samsung wat r u doing.
Nov 06 09:08:44 <pragma-> nexus 4 is still faster and more powerful than the note 2
Nov 06 09:08:49 <RazielZ> Exactly
Nov 06 09:09:05 <RazielZ> So samsung is apparently REALLY trying to shoot themselves in the foot recently
Nov 06 09:09:15 <b0c1> monkyfoniks: no, the coders hate the graphical design tool
Nov 06 09:12:12 <lesha_name> Hello All, shall I ask you, where I can find Android-developers to our company? (Moscow, Russia)
Nov 06 09:12:27 <g00s> Moscow, of course ;)
Nov 06 09:13:31 <lesha_name> well... why not? :(
Nov 06 09:13:34 <lesha_name> :)
Nov 06 09:14:53 <Leeds> probably better than looking in Vladivostok - more convenient anyway
Nov 06 09:15:03 <lesha_name> yes
Nov 06 09:15:30 <lesha_name> also, we help with relocation
Nov 06 09:15:42 <lesha_name> (we are Mail.Ru Group )
Nov 06 09:16:57 * Ge0rG always wondered how secure mail.ru is...
Nov 06 09:19:36 <RazielZ> >relocation
Nov 06 09:19:46 <RazielZ> >implying you need to be there to make a proper app
Nov 06 09:19:58 <g00s> lesha_name: i'm curios; i thought there was a disproportionate number of people there with world class technical skills with few places to use those skills (why rissia is tied to so much cybercrime) … shouldn't it be easy to find android devs there ?
Nov 06 09:20:38 <g00s> (1) work for russian mafia (2) work for mail.ru … seems like a clear choice to me
Nov 06 09:21:08 <RazielZ> I can't believe how hard my hdds crapped out
Nov 06 09:21:24 <RazielZ> Also can't believe I'm actually succeeding in recovering some data off of a broken raid0 stripe
Nov 06 09:21:29 <lesha_name> Mail.Ru Group is big company
Nov 06 09:21:47 <lesha_name> and many android-developers work here
Nov 06 09:21:57 <lesha_name> (sorry for my english)
Nov 06 09:22:10 <Leeds> lesha_name: your English is fine...
Nov 06 09:22:40 <g00s> i think i have more spelling mistakes :)
Nov 06 09:23:12 <lesha_name> But our company develops rapidly
Nov 06 09:23:54 <lesha_name> mobile mail, mobile messaging, mobile games, ...
Nov 06 09:24:41 <lesha_name> last week we bought My.Com domain name
Nov 06 09:24:44 <b0c1> mobile home!
Nov 06 09:24:45 <b0c1> :D
Nov 06 09:24:59 <lesha_name> and it is will our brand in foregin countries
Nov 06 09:25:39 <lesha_name> and of course, we need hith-skilled mobile developers
Nov 06 09:26:00 <lesha_name> high-skilled*
Nov 06 09:26:32 <b0c1> mobile developers :) travel a lot :)
Nov 06 09:26:40 <lesha_name> :))))
Nov 06 09:28:09 <RazielZ> )))))
Nov 06 09:28:51 <Leeds> went to Moscow once - long time ago...  the shop in the hotel would only accept foreign currency, and gave change in bubble gum, because they refused to deal in rubles, but also refused to actually give out hard currency once they'd taken it
Nov 06 09:30:43 <lesha_name> and bears, of course
Nov 06 09:30:47 <g00s> its tough being an entrepreneur in russia; so many go to jail
Nov 06 09:31:03 <RazielZ> What's the current price for a trained, armored war bear that you can ride?
Nov 06 09:31:20 <g00s> with or without the laser on its head ?
Nov 06 09:31:31 <butcher> :>>
Nov 06 09:31:33 <lesha_name> ))
Nov 06 09:31:58 <b0c1> dancing bears :D
Nov 06 09:32:12 <butcher> gay bears
Nov 06 09:32:17 <g00s> dancing bears with lasers … sounds dangerous
Nov 06 09:32:26 <b0c1> Yeah
Nov 06 09:32:28 <b0c1> :)
Nov 06 09:33:00 <b0c1> the most dangerous: gay dancing bears with lasers :)
Nov 06 09:33:40 <lesha_name> i think that android-developer in moscow will have earned about  $ 3000...5000 per month net.
Nov 06 09:34:08 <Ge0rG> moscow is really expensive
Nov 06 09:34:14 <lesha_name> yes
Nov 06 09:34:49 <Ge0rG> but it must be too good... I know somebody who is flying from germany every week
Nov 06 09:34:53 <Ge0rG> ...to moscow
Nov 06 09:35:11 <shmooz> too much vodka and drunk kooks
Nov 06 09:35:31 <Ge0rG> mhm... maybe I should look for a new job as well.
Nov 06 09:35:36 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: do you allow home office?
Nov 06 09:35:45 <lesha_name> no :(
Nov 06 09:36:09 <lesha_name> there are some reasons for it
Nov 06 09:36:29 <lesha_name> first, it is teamwork, scrum...
Nov 06 09:36:31 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: I know the reasons
Nov 06 09:36:54 <lesha_name> but! we have cookies!
Nov 06 09:37:31 <butcher> bears loves cookies?
Nov 06 09:37:32 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: can have cookies at home. what else?
Nov 06 09:38:28 <lesha_name> can you have teamlead at home?:)
Nov 06 09:39:54 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: there is IRC, VoIP and I even heard of video conferencing
Nov 06 09:39:55 <lesha_name>  well, i must to go
Nov 06 09:40:00 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: hf
Nov 06 09:40:38 <lesha_name> Gre0rG, sorry, homeoffice is not possible (
Nov 06 09:40:57 <lesha_name> i'm really sadly of it
Nov 06 09:41:03 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: I can understand
Nov 06 09:41:11 <Ge0rG> lesha_name: if you don't know someone, you need to have him on your side
Nov 06 09:43:08 <lesha_name> have a good day, bye
Nov 06 09:43:38 <lesha_name> naumenko (AT) corp.mail.ru (for any questions)
Nov 06 09:45:05 <_yakubMobileDev> hello every one
Nov 06 09:45:43 <_yakubMobileDev> I am implementing a app which uses the com.android.music.MediaPlaybackService and SensorListener
Nov 06 09:46:25 <_yakubMobileDev> I have binded the default media player service with the intent where i can get the current track and all
Nov 06 09:46:57 <_yakubMobileDev> but i want to implement a funtionality that will change the song when i shake the device
Nov 06 09:47:03 <_yakubMobileDev> but i ma unable to do it
Nov 06 09:47:17 <_yakubMobileDev> as i need to run 2 service for that
Nov 06 09:47:24 <_yakubMobileDev> please help me
Nov 06 09:54:45 <evelyette> hi, how can I disable the turning screen off while I have the usb plugged in (it's annoying when developing an app)
Nov 06 09:55:09 <jasta> evelyette: its in settings under developer options i believe
Nov 06 09:55:16 <jasta> not sure if its dev options or somewhere else, but its there.
Nov 06 09:55:28 <evelyette> yeah, I've searched for it, but didn't find it
Nov 06 09:55:31 <jasta> it's like screen on during charging or something
Nov 06 09:55:34 <evelyette> I have galaxy s3
Nov 06 09:55:35 <jasta> perhaps its under screen
Nov 06 09:56:51 <evelyette> jasta, it's not
Nov 06 09:57:10 <butcher> http://www.dwtutorials.com/tutorials/images/stories/tuts//android-device-connect_USB-debugging-options.png
Nov 06 09:57:15 <butcher> "stay awake"
Nov 06 09:58:17 <jasta> evelyette: you're blind, as butcher points out.
Nov 06 09:58:39 <evelyette> no wonder I didn't find it, it's not thee
Nov 06 09:58:42 <evelyette> there
Nov 06 09:58:53 <evelyette> there is no stay awake option under developer options
Nov 06 09:59:00 <butcher> interesting
Nov 06 09:59:42 <evelyette> it's android 4.0.4
Nov 06 10:00:04 <jasta> that is bizarre
Nov 06 10:00:22 <jasta> although stranger things have happened when manufacturers open up eclipse.
Nov 06 10:45:45 <Ankhwatcher> Does anyone have an application they can recommend for watch the US Election results?
Nov 06 10:46:53 <kitallis> what's the correct way to add a button/view whilst animating it?
Nov 06 10:58:20 <tdignan> why the hell doesn't apple have a web based search for their app store?
Nov 06 10:58:58 <tdignan> kitallis: more context required. Tell the whole story of what you're doing.
Nov 06 10:59:03 <tdignan> Are you adding one button? 10?
Nov 06 10:59:32 <kitallis> tdignan, let's say 8, as soon as that activity shows up, I want these buttons to translate from the screen edge into their final positions
Nov 06 10:59:40 <tdignan> is it always 8?
Nov 06 10:59:45 <tdignan> will it ever be more than 8?
Nov 06 11:00:08 <kitallis> tdignan, in the activity's lifetime, it's always static
Nov 06 11:00:40 <tdignan> If it's 8, then put 8 <Button> tags in your XML file. Then set the visibility on all of them to android:visibility="invisible" or gone, if you don't want them to affect the structure of the layout.
Nov 06 11:00:51 <tdignan> then when the activity opens, apply the animation to all of them
Nov 06 11:01:01 <tdignan> set the visibility to visible
Nov 06 11:01:32 <tdignan> you might not need to do the visibility thing, but I have a feeling if you don't you might see them flash on the screen before the animation starts.
Nov 06 11:01:35 <tdignan> in short, just do it
Nov 06 11:01:46 <kitallis> tdignan, so I have a custom layout, I've subclassed RelativeLayout, where which these buttons are populated onDraw
Nov 06 11:02:01 <tdignan> you are creating buttons inside of onDraw?
Nov 06 11:02:20 <tdignan> if so, stop. just stop.
Nov 06 11:02:30 <tdignan> take your button creations out of onDraw now
Nov 06 11:04:18 <tdignan> why did you extend RelativeLayout?
Nov 06 11:04:25 <aoclown> tdignan: You here?!?
Nov 06 11:04:28 <tdignan> what functionality did you add
Nov 06 11:04:30 <tdignan> no I'm not here
Nov 06 11:04:38 <aoclown> How inconvenient.
Nov 06 11:04:49 <kitallis> tdignan, no I don't create the buttons in onDraw
Nov 06 11:05:06 <tdignan> ok -- so what's the talk about onDraw
Nov 06 11:05:14 <aoclown> tdignan: That guy's code sucks. And pinch zoom with scrolling was quite easy to implement lol.
Nov 06 11:05:16 <DR01D-Engineer> i only just discovered you can add onclick to buttons in xml
Nov 06 11:05:29 <kitallis> tdignan, not populated, rather, animated
Nov 06 11:05:38 <tdignan> aoclown: there were other people who implemented the same on github
Nov 06 11:05:43 <aoclown> Fair enough.
Nov 06 11:05:43 <kitallis> tdignan, or was trying to, or heading towards doing that
Nov 06 11:06:06 <tdignan> kitallis: i don't understand. tell me why you subclassed relativelayout
Nov 06 11:06:39 <kitallis> tdignan, because I wanted my buttons aligned in a certain dynamic manner
Nov 06 11:06:48 <tdignan> and what manner is that
Nov 06 11:06:57 <tdignan> because I'm still not sure you needed to subclass it.
Nov 06 11:07:55 <tdignan> instead of a question you have presented bits and pieces and various anecdotes of your thought process as you attempted to solve the problem. To get a good answer just ask what you want to do from square one.
Nov 06 11:08:17 <kitallis> tdignan, you've actually already answered my question
Nov 06 11:08:21 <tdignan> oh ok
Nov 06 11:08:23 <tdignan> well, good luck
Nov 06 11:08:32 <kitallis> I was just adding on some more information
Nov 06 11:08:32 <tdignan> I doubt you need to extend relativelayout. you might want to revisit that.
Nov 06 11:12:01 <tdignan> aoclown: anyway, i'd be way more interested if your code was on github... Let me know if you ever put it there.
Nov 06 11:12:50 <tdignan> that's about enough irc for me today though
Nov 06 11:15:47 <aoclown> Later. :D
Nov 06 11:16:00 <aoclown> My code is on github. But it's not worth looking at.
Nov 06 11:18:20 <Ge0rG> which field in a TextView is responsible for the distance between text and a compound drawable?
Nov 06 11:22:01 <Ge0rG> ah, android:drawablePadding
Nov 06 11:22:17 <Ge0rG> why, oh why is the eclipse window to small to display the full name of the property?
Nov 06 11:24:08 <sonOfRa> why, oh why is your screen so small? :)
Nov 06 11:24:28 <Ge0rG> "1920x1080      60.0*+   59.9     40.0"
Nov 06 11:24:36 <Ge0rG> wasn't able to get a laptop with higher res :(
Nov 06 11:24:46 <sonOfRa> what is it not displaying?
Nov 06 11:24:59 <sonOfRa> never had anything not display on eclipse, even with 1600x900
Nov 06 11:25:09 <sonOfRa> was assuming something horribly small actually
Nov 06 11:26:01 <Ge0rG> sonOfRa: in the outline of the xml ui designer, the property names are too short. it only showed "Drawable P..."
Nov 06 11:26:06 <Ge0rG> and I somehow ignored that
Nov 06 11:30:08 <sonOfRa> ah yeah, the outline is a tree, that really does tend to cut off
Nov 06 12:00:33 <xroberx> hi
Nov 06 12:01:48 <xroberx> does anyone know how to compile using c instead of c++ when using JNI ? I'm getting __cplusplus defined even though my code is contained in .c (not .cpp) files
Nov 06 12:02:47 <mmc> and how do you invoke the compiler?
Nov 06 12:03:16 <xroberx> that is taken care of by Eclipse
Nov 06 12:04:21 <xroberx> when I clean the project I see this in the console: "Clean: stdc++ [armeabi]"
Nov 06 12:05:24 <xroberx> the compiler should know that it should not define __cplusplus for .c files, shouldn't it ?
Nov 06 12:09:04 <mndo> hi, is it possible to show the soft keyboard even when a physical one is inserted?
Nov 06 12:20:14 <mmc> xroberx: no. try to run  c++ on file:
Nov 06 12:20:14 <mmc> #ifdef __cplusplus
Nov 06 12:20:14 <mmc> #error Still C++
Nov 06 12:20:14 <mmc> #endif
Nov 06 12:20:14 <mmc> main () {1;}
Nov 06 12:20:38 <mmc> xroberx: I'd ask in an eclipse channel
Nov 06 12:21:45 <xroberx> mmc: according to this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-ndk/oEsSOtRF0RU     a C compiler should be used for .c files and a C++ compiler for .cpp files, so I think there's a bug somewhere in the chain
Nov 06 12:23:47 <xroberx> another bug on the wall...
Nov 06 12:27:53 <xroberx> mmc: and this is exactly the bug I'm talking about: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=37754
Nov 06 12:36:20 <lasserix> I can change panelbackgroundcolor via theme styles, is there any way to change the text color too?
Nov 06 12:41:25 <adq> hi all, I'm playing with canvas & onDraw. I'm using drawPoint (but for most of the point, the color has to be changed via paint.setColor (this is also why I'm using drawPoint)), but this is extremly cpu consuming (like 5FPS/s in the contrary of drawing lines where I easily reach 30FPS/s). What can I do to avoid or at least minimize this bottleneck?
Nov 06 12:43:43 <digitalfallacy> Hi,I have created 3 boxes on the cameraview ... i want the boxes to be of same size and capture the same part of the image across all devices .. but i am failing in that as the position from which the image starts to crop is changing from device to device .. please help
Nov 06 12:45:23 <ivdorelian> adq can you show us some code?
Nov 06 12:45:40 <butcher> android:hardwareAccelerated=true
Nov 06 12:45:42 <butcher> maybe
Nov 06 12:46:50 <ivdorelian> that won't make a difference on older versions though
Nov 06 12:48:46 <adq> ivdorelian, no I cannot show the code but I can show you the screenshot, it's a 3D maze using raytracing technics, like doom or old wolfenstein3D
Nov 06 12:48:59 <adq> http://imageshack.us/f/694/sdfsdfdsf85056.png/ bad FPS
Nov 06 12:49:17 <adq> http://imageshack.us/f/4/dsfsdaf.png/ good FPS (because only lines are draw.. specific to raytracing)
Nov 06 12:49:47 <ivdorelian> so you are manually drawing the texture with drawPoint?
Nov 06 12:49:50 <adq> <butcher> android:hardwareAccelerated=true <- I will try, but I don't think there will be a big diff, especially on old Android os
Nov 06 12:49:56 <adq> ivdorelian, yes
Nov 06 12:49:59 <adq> exactly!
Nov 06 12:50:21 <adq> but the texture is already generated (i don't generate the texture on the fly), only apply the matching against the wall, per xample.
Nov 06 12:50:57 <adq> I cannot use drawPath because of the different color of many points :/
Nov 06 12:50:57 <ivdorelian> shouldn't you use opengl methods to draw textures? i can't imagine drawing it pixel by pixel with drawPoint ever being efficient
Nov 06 12:51:04 <butcher> opengl?
Nov 06 12:51:17 <adq> ivdorelian, problem is I drastically lack of skill in openGl :p but indeed I know it's one of the solution
Nov 06 12:51:55 <ivdorelian> why can't you use drawBitmap at least?
Nov 06 12:52:10 <digitalfallacy> could you give me somepointers to get device independency in terms of cameraview
Nov 06 12:52:42 <shmooz> well doom and wolfenstein didn't use plotPixel they created a map of the lines representing colors at different points, it was called raycasting instead of raytracing
Nov 06 12:52:49 <adq> because i'm not sure if I use drawBitmap that I don't have to do more maths on it, to simply transform & scale it, so continuously :/
Nov 06 12:53:19 <ivdorelian> transforms should be faster i think
Nov 06 12:53:34 <adq> shmooz, indeed! thx for precising :)
Nov 06 12:54:05 <shmooz> maybe create a bitmap off buffer like they did with raycasting and draw it all at once
Nov 06 12:54:08 <adq> it's really interesting from a pedagogic point of view, but I'm facing performance problem
Nov 06 12:54:43 <ixc> try to move some operate to renderscript, maybe it will help
Nov 06 12:54:54 <shmooz> I mean buffer it offscreen
Nov 06 12:54:58 <adq> thx for all the advices, I'm noting everything
Nov 06 12:55:08 <adq> shmooz, yeah i already draw on a buffer (bitmap) offscreen
Nov 06 12:55:16 <adq> then apply the whole bitmap at this end of ondraw
Nov 06 12:55:24 <adq> s/this/the/
Nov 06 12:56:26 <adq> I think I reached the limit of canvas, DDMS clearly show me drawPoint is the bottleneck
Nov 06 12:56:36 <adq> so I have to take ALL your advices in account!
Nov 06 12:57:37 <ivdorelian> if you know how to transform the drawPoint calls it shouldn't be too hard to transform the original bitmap directly i think
Nov 06 12:57:44 <ivdorelian> and use drawBitmap
Nov 06 12:57:45 <adq> forcing the thread to priorityMax just helped to gain few fps, but it's cheating
Nov 06 12:58:37 <adq> I will try that too ivdorelian, thx :) If I would have unlimited memory, I would have generated everything possible lol
Nov 06 12:58:45 <adq> (un)fortunatelly, it's not the case :p
Nov 06 12:59:31 <RichardS> afternoon
Nov 06 12:59:35 <adq> shmooz, in fact I'm already use raycasting, I totally mixed up the terms
Nov 06 12:59:47 <adq> I ported this nice tutorial: http://lodev.org/cgtutor/raycasting.html#Textured_Raycaster
Nov 06 12:59:55 <adq> so this is almost the same code, but in java
Nov 06 13:00:17 <shmooz> I remember instead of pixel by pixel they would draw a lines
Nov 06 13:00:30 <RichardS> I want to have an activity with several buttons,   When a certain button is clicked id like to only allow another certain set of buttons to be pressed, all other touch input would be ignored.  how would I manage this?
Nov 06 13:00:58 <adq> shmooz, yep, in my test with drawLines it's decent in terms of performance, but I cannot have different colors in a line
Nov 06 13:01:25 <adq> (the second screnshot in the link above is with drawlines)
Nov 06 13:02:25 <adq> also when "I'm far from a wall", there aren't so many drawPoints, so FPS increases again to a decent rate
Nov 06 13:02:36 <shmooz> are you porting doom or something ? lol
Nov 06 13:02:37 <adq> it's when I'm close to a wall, that almost all the canvas is repaint with drawpoints
Nov 06 13:02:58 <adq> shmooz, nop :) i'm just learning oldschool 3D for something else (a clone of wizardry) :)
Nov 06 13:03:15 <adq> backend is already done :| i'm stuck at the 3D maze
Nov 06 13:03:32 <shmooz> I see
Nov 06 13:03:39 * adq feels nostalgic
Nov 06 13:04:06 <shmooz> minecraft brought that style back I guess
Nov 06 13:04:11 <adq> I could do like old wizardry, step by step instead of continous move, straf & co
Nov 06 13:04:19 <shmooz> now those old school graphics are cool again
Nov 06 13:04:25 <adq> but ppl nowadays hate that, i think
Nov 06 13:04:39 <adq> yeah pixel art is fun, despite I'm not a fan of :)
Nov 06 13:05:27 <shmooz> well either you'll have to find some already optimized drawLine or make your own
Nov 06 13:06:23 <adq> yeah i think i have to choice: openGl (or an engine framework like libgs, andgine, gamekit, etc..) or choose to have a view step by step (and only rotation of 90°)
Nov 06 13:06:26 <adq> choices*
Nov 06 13:06:31 <shmooz> I never did that stuff with android but I did with a 386 back in the day
Nov 06 13:06:45 <adq> i hope you enjoyed it, cause I do!!!
Nov 06 13:06:47 <adq> it's so fun :)
Nov 06 13:07:02 <shmooz> yes it was
Nov 06 13:07:09 <adq> also it's pedagogic about camera, ortho plan, etc..
Nov 06 13:07:15 <adq> i don't need crazy matrix
Nov 06 13:10:52 <adq> http://imageshack.us/f/145/device20121106140826.png/ <- if the text is copyrighted, I will change it, of course.
Nov 06 13:11:01 <adq> but that's the start screen :>
Nov 06 13:23:06 <Tee_Pee> How would one get the entry of a listpreference for a given entry value?
Nov 06 13:23:18 <Tee_Pee> essentially I want to know what option corresponds to which number, and output that
Nov 06 13:29:19 <Ge0rG> Tee_Pee: its not quite trivial IIRC. if you have an arrays.xml entry for that, you can query the array resource
Nov 06 13:32:38 <Tee_Pee> actually, it turned out to be quite trivial.... getEntry()
Nov 06 13:32:45 <Tee_Pee> on the listpreference object :p
Nov 06 13:33:00 <Ge0rG> heh, k.
Nov 06 13:36:01 <Ge0rG> is there any decent 3G/LTE smartphone with a qwerty keyboard, after the desire z/vision?
Nov 06 13:40:35 <Zharf> Ge0rG, I like my xperia mini pro and I guess the xperia pro also is pretty good... but other than that, they don't seem to make them anymore
Nov 06 13:40:52 <Zharf> which would mean that I'm stuck with my mini for the next 3+ years and then I'll have to give up on smartphones
Nov 06 13:41:38 <Ge0rG> Zharf: I'm a sony denier, also the pro is lower-specced than the desire z if I see it right
Nov 06 13:42:02 <Ge0rG> there is a bunch of CDMA devices, but I want to operate it in good olde europe!
Nov 06 13:42:07 <Zharf> Ge0rG, no clue about that, I don't really need high specs for anything
Nov 06 13:42:14 <Zharf> I'm a samsung/htc denier ;)
Nov 06 13:42:20 <Ge0rG> want! http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/09/hands-on-with-the-surprisingly-solid-qwerty-keyboard-packing-lg-mach/
Nov 06 13:42:32 <Ge0rG> Zharf: I want something with amoled and 1gb ram please
Nov 06 13:42:56 <Zharf> all I care about in my phones is that they're small enough and have a good qwerty
Nov 06 13:43:17 <MDijkstra> what about the latest droid phone by motorola?
Nov 06 13:43:23 <Ge0rG> Zharf: I'm a heavy user. also, it sucks if you need 10s every time to get a new apk deployed
Nov 06 13:43:24 <MDijkstra> or eh, probably the milestone in europe
Nov 06 13:43:40 <Ge0rG> the first milestone was rather a brickstone
Nov 06 13:43:48 <timroes> GeorgeJ: i can highly not recommend you a milestone :D
Nov 06 13:44:00 <Ge0rG> so far I haven't seen a new milestone with qwerty announced
Nov 06 13:44:02 <Zharf> Ge0rG, I have no such problems o.O;
Nov 06 13:44:03 <timroes> terrible mobile, had it before the desire z
Nov 06 13:44:20 <Ge0rG> I really love my DZ, but it's got flaky audio (buzzing all the time), and I need more RAM
Nov 06 13:44:27 <timroes> yeah btu if you want qwerty you will be very limited, and shouldnt have much other requirements to your mobile
Nov 06 13:44:37 <Ge0rG> maybe I'll get the over-expensive samsung galaxy camera instead
Nov 06 13:44:41 <timroes> as far as i remeber HTC said, they dont want to do any new qwerty phones
Nov 06 13:44:56 <Zharf> timroes, yep I remember that too
Nov 06 13:45:04 <Zharf> I can't use software keyboards
Nov 06 13:45:08 <Ge0rG> I'd really love to see a new samsung qwerty device... with the size of the galaxy nexus, or a little smaller
Nov 06 13:45:13 <Zharf> my fingertips start to hurt in my head
Nov 06 13:45:26 <Zharf> all the tablets are just horrible to use
Nov 06 13:45:28 * Ge0rG needs it for ssh+irssi to stay connected with you guys
Nov 06 13:45:32 <MDijkstra> haha, I also bought the first milestone
Nov 06 13:45:41 <MDijkstra> wouldn't recommend it
Nov 06 13:45:47 <MDijkstra> but maybe the new ones are decent
Nov 06 13:45:48 <timroes> it was crap :D
Nov 06 13:46:05 * Ge0rG went from G1 to DesireZ and needs a new update real soon now
Nov 06 13:46:06 <timroes> even with cyanogen mod it "ran" like a dead snail
Nov 06 13:46:07 <MDijkstra> I dropped my requirement of a keyboard entirely
Nov 06 13:46:19 <MDijkstra> and simply got a gnex
Nov 06 13:46:32 <timroes> I join MDijkstra in that, qwerty was also very important beforehand to mee
Nov 06 13:47:04 <timroes> but then i decided, as a developer I also would like to have some up to date phone, and if you stick to the qwerty requirement, you most surly will always have no choice on any other part of your mobile
Nov 06 13:47:10 <Ge0rG> I can do most things with SliteIT on the gnex / DZ with keyboard closed, but for SSH, I just cant get used to IME
Nov 06 13:47:21 <timroes> MDijkstra: same phone i bought then :D, seems to be a pretty common life story :)
Nov 06 13:47:29 * Ge0rG 's got a g2 and a gnex in his toolbox
Nov 06 13:47:42 <Ge0rG> eh, sgs2
Nov 06 13:47:53 <Zharf> timroes, I love my mini, and I'm sticking with it until someone makes a new one as small and with qwerty ;)
Nov 06 13:48:05 <Zharf> no reason to "upgrade"
Nov 06 13:48:31 <timroes> i wanted to have something with android 4 running on it :)
Nov 06 13:48:41 <timroes> and i didnt see much hope in my old desire z to get that
Nov 06 13:48:43 <Zharf> timroes, like my mini! ;)
Nov 06 13:48:53 <Ge0rG> timroes: there is CM9 for the DZ ;)
Nov 06 13:48:58 <timroes> mini has 320x480 screen?
Nov 06 13:49:04 <Ge0rG> but you don't want that probably :>
Nov 06 13:49:10 <Zharf> timroes, I think it was that, yeah
Nov 06 13:49:13 <Ge0rG> though I need to re-evaluate soon
Nov 06 13:49:26 <timroes> that was the only other requirement i had beside qwerty, no 320x480 but at least 800x480
Nov 06 13:50:06 <Zharf> I don't care about the resolution, I care about the physical size
Nov 06 13:50:25 <Zharf> and all those galaxy S whatevers and htc foobars are just way too large to be considered as mobile phones
Nov 06 13:50:37 <Zharf> more like draggable
Nov 06 13:51:10 <timroes> yeah i neither liked the 4" beforehand, was for me the fact why I still used my desire z so long, but in the end i must say android 4, and up to date phone wins over screen size, I got pretty well used to 4" screens
Nov 06 13:51:58 <Zharf> timroes, but my mini has android 4!
Nov 06 13:51:59 <Zharf> :p
Nov 06 13:52:17 <docmur> after I open a menu using openOptionsMenu(); what method will get called or event handler get called when that OptionMenu() aka the one on the menu key dismisses?
Nov 06 13:52:46 <timroes> but has it a menu key?
Nov 06 14:03:16 <fakingfantastic> Hey guys, when you do ScaleAnimation(fromX, toX, fromY, toY) … is that effecting the same properties that calling mView.layout(l,t,r,b) does?
Nov 06 14:04:26 <fakingfantastic> In one case, I'm using layout(l, t, r, b) in my onMeasure() as a result of doing a pinch jester (to scale), in the ScaleAnimation() I'm doing a forced zoom (from a double tap)… is that the right way to automate the zoom?
Nov 06 14:09:16 <docmur> I tried to override onOptionMenuClose() but thats doesn't seem to handle the option menu dismiss, does nothing get called that I can catch / override?
Nov 06 14:11:00 <belgianguy> hmm, I have a program that has one activity, which starts a invisible fragment once the user pushes a certain button (the fragment manages a network thread)
Nov 06 14:11:18 <belgianguy> now I want to introduce a new GUI as soon as messages start arriving
Nov 06 14:11:44 <belgianguy> but I can't take down the invisible fragment, so I can't leave the activity, I think
Nov 06 14:11:56 <belgianguy> so I was thinking of using Fragment transactions
Nov 06 14:12:06 <belgianguy> but is that the way to go?
Nov 06 14:15:03 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: ehm, why do you have a fragment to manage a background process?
Nov 06 14:15:15 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: is it supposed to become visible at some point?
Nov 06 14:15:25 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: Android will not allow networking on the main thread
Nov 06 14:15:38 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: fragments do not spawn threads
Nov 06 14:15:41 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: and a BGAsyncTask was not appropiate (P2P)
Nov 06 14:15:50 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: I create that thread
Nov 06 14:15:55 <MDijkstra> fragments are simply reusable pieces of interface
Nov 06 14:15:56 <belgianguy> in the fragment
Nov 06 14:16:11 <MDijkstra> reusable pieces of interface logic
Nov 06 14:16:17 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: this is a faceless fragment
Nov 06 14:16:24 <belgianguy> eg, pure functional
Nov 06 14:16:50 <Hodapp> You can do pure functional in Android? No side-effects whatsoever?
Nov 06 14:17:03 <Hodapp> No state at all?
Nov 06 14:17:16 <MDijkstra> Monad m =>
Nov 06 14:17:24 <MDijkstra> har har
Nov 06 14:17:26 <belgianguy> http://marakana.com/s/android_fragments_tutorial,1250/index.html
Nov 06 14:17:36 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: from the official docs for Fragment:
Nov 06 14:17:38 <MDijkstra> "A Fragment represents a behavior or a portion of user interface in an Activity."
Nov 06 14:17:43 <belgianguy> search for "Using Fragments with no Layouts"
Nov 06 14:17:50 <MDijkstra> a 'faceless fragment' thus makes no sense
Nov 06 14:17:59 <MDijkstra> what you want is probably a service
Nov 06 14:18:09 <Hodapp> belgianguy: but is any of this pure-functional?
Nov 06 14:18:14 <timroes> just was going to ask, what sense does it make and why not a service then?
Nov 06 14:18:56 <belgianguy> a service was possible, too, but I opted for a fragment after reading that link
Nov 06 14:19:13 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: I mean, I don't know about that tutorial, but I've never seen a fragment used in this way
Nov 06 14:19:32 <MDijkstra> especially given so much other 'normal' ways to accomplish this
Nov 06 14:19:52 <MDijkstra> *many
Nov 06 14:21:09 <MDijkstra> furthermore, by using a fragment to keep track of the state you're tying the lifecycle of (in this case) the connection to the lifecycle of the fragment
Nov 06 14:21:20 <MDijkstra> and thus the lifecycle of the activity contaning the fragment
Nov 06 14:21:27 <MDijkstra> this is usually not desirable
Nov 06 14:21:36 <MDijkstra> with emphasis on usually
Nov 06 14:21:52 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: the connection is imperative to the program
Nov 06 14:22:13 <belgianguy> it's P2P based
Nov 06 14:22:20 <MDijkstra> yes, but you might want to keep the connection if the activity is cleaned up
Nov 06 14:22:32 <MDijkstra> right now it'll die with the activity
Nov 06 14:23:00 <belgianguy> yup, that's why I was looking for the perf penalties of introducing new (UI) fragments in this activity
Nov 06 14:23:22 <MDijkstra> ie, if you press home, start another app, the system will eventually need to reclaim memory
Nov 06 14:23:34 <MDijkstra> kill your activity, and with it your network connection
Nov 06 14:23:45 <MDijkstra> while it'll leave it be if the network connection is managed by a service
Nov 06 14:23:57 <Ge0rG> MDijkstra: usually ;)
Nov 06 14:24:00 <MDijkstra> yeah :)
Nov 06 14:24:25 <Ge0rG> make it a foreground service for additional safety
Nov 06 14:24:41 <Ge0rG> also, to show the user that he's going to expect a huge data plan bill
Nov 06 14:25:00 <belgianguy> Ge0rG: no FUD necessary, I only use WiFi
Nov 06 14:25:40 <belgianguy> it's just a personal project, a little game
Nov 06 14:26:17 <belgianguy> but the foreground service sounds interesting, how much control does an Activity have over a service?
Nov 06 14:26:31 <MDijkstra> complete control
Nov 06 14:26:44 <appel1> if you only need the connection when the user is playing (sees your gui) don't use a service :)
Nov 06 14:26:51 <MDijkstra> you can have a refcounting scheme (ie, when the last activity unbinds from the service it'll stop)
Nov 06 14:27:00 <MDijkstra> or you can have the activity start/stop the service manually
Nov 06 14:27:16 <sdaq> anyone here use google breakpad for native debugging?
Nov 06 14:27:41 <belgianguy> appel1: well, messages can arrive from other players, so I need it on all the time
Nov 06 14:27:57 <belgianguy> (using vector clocks and B-MultiCast)
Nov 06 14:28:27 <appel1> belgianguy: ok, then a forecast service is probably the right way to go to let the user know that the connection is active and draining the battery =)
Nov 06 14:28:31 <appel1> foreground
Nov 06 14:28:32 <appel1> gah
Nov 06 14:30:12 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html has a nice example at the bottom of the page
Nov 06 14:31:20 <MDijkstra> 'local service sample' is probably what you want
Nov 06 14:33:16 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: I better read the whole thing, seems they run on the Main thread by default
Nov 06 14:33:27 <belgianguy> so I should still spawn my thread
Nov 06 14:33:29 <MDijkstra> they do
Nov 06 14:33:44 <docmur> is there a way to capture a touch in a webview?
Nov 06 14:33:46 <MDijkstra> also, you shouldn't use asynctask to spawn long-running threads
Nov 06 14:34:05 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: I use a extended Runnable and a Thread
Nov 06 14:34:12 <MDijkstra> ah, I misread that
Nov 06 14:34:19 <MDijkstra> that's okay then :)
Nov 06 14:34:29 <belgianguy> :)
Nov 06 14:40:47 <jaldhar> Can a fragment read the instance state of another fragment?  I want to check for the existence of saved state in fragment B to implement a resume button in fragment A.
Nov 06 14:46:21 <belgianguy> has there been any news about any Samsung updates for the Note 10.1?
Nov 06 14:46:36 <docmur> http://pastebin.com/Ey2SYTp4 works, it will detect a click in the WebView but only if I don't have my OptionMenu open, other wise the OptionMenu will Dismiss first and I have to click the screen again, is there anway to get his fire regardless of having to dismiss the menu, bascially I'm just trying to keep the menu open at all times
Nov 06 14:46:58 <RandomSort> What does the warning from webcore "Not supported in this case." mean, or rather how do I go about debugging it
Nov 06 14:48:04 <Ge0rG> hm... galaxy camera... sexy, but expensive. I wonder if it will do phone calls using a BT headset
Nov 06 14:58:51 <vascobnunes> hello all! anyone knows how to integrate (sync) a google calendar with CalendarView?
Nov 06 14:59:36 <docmur> Is it possible just to detect a press in a motion event and NOT a motion?
Nov 06 15:02:21 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/calendar-provider.html
Nov 06 15:02:35 <timroes> docmur: isn't a motionevent just motion? I mean before a motion can happen you will need a press, and during a motion there can be no press, because otherwise it's a release and a new press ?
Nov 06 15:02:45 <vydd> docmur: use MotionEvent's getAction() and check for up and down actions
Nov 06 15:03:29 <docmur> well my new method is to check for ACTION_SCROLL and then if it's not a scroll it's a touch, which all could be avoided if the Menu key wasn't removed from phones
Nov 06 15:03:33 <docmur> worst idea ever
Nov 06 15:04:23 <kamoricks> docmur: You'll need an OnClickListener for the item, and a MotionListener for the same item.
Nov 06 15:04:53 <docmur> Well i have the touch listener
Nov 06 15:05:05 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: thanks. I tried to follow some instructions from there, but I get no result...http://pastebin.com/RnP6NsJJ
Nov 06 15:05:09 <docmur> which works, I just need to show the menu on a click but not on a scroll
Nov 06 15:05:20 <kamoricks> docmur: Scrolls are already not clicks. They are, however, touches.
Nov 06 15:05:52 <docmur> but on a touch screen a click is touch
Nov 06 15:06:19 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: cur.query() returns a Cursor object. You don't do anything with that.
Nov 06 15:06:27 <kamoricks> docmur: Not if it's the start of a scroll, it's not.
Nov 06 15:07:05 <kamoricks> docmur: Events are triggered as such: User presses down. Thisis a touch. If the user release on the same item (vaguely), it's a click. If they move before releasing, it's a motion guesture.
Nov 06 15:07:40 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Sorry. ContentResolver.query() returns a Cursor. You call ContentResolver.query(), but then you don't do anything with the Cursor you get back.
Nov 06 15:08:43 <docmur> okay
Nov 06 15:08:54 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: I'm new at this...what should I do then?
Nov 06 15:09:23 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Read from the Cursor, obviously.
Nov 06 15:10:17 <vascobnunes> kamoricks:you mean get CalendarView to read from the cursor?
Nov 06 15:10:33 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: No, because CalendarView just shows a calendar. It doesn't do tasks or events.
Nov 06 15:11:01 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: so I should forget about calendarview, right
Nov 06 15:11:03 <vascobnunes> ?
Nov 06 15:11:24 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Depends on what you're wanting to do. It's suitable for date selection, and date display. Probably not for much more.
Nov 06 15:11:57 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: hmm, i need more...
Nov 06 15:11:59 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: If you're wanting to launch the user's calendar, there's a separate intent for that.
Nov 06 15:12:04 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: What are you trying to do?
Nov 06 15:12:56 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: ok, 1st step - I just want to let the user add a specific google calendar to his android
Nov 06 15:13:43 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: The google calendar app already does this.
Nov 06 15:14:01 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: 2nd step - I wanted to have a layout inside the app with that calendar displayed
Nov 06 15:14:22 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Uh. So you want to recreate Google Calendar, and use it as a fragment.
Nov 06 15:15:20 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: yes, or simply let the user add it (like some sort of shortcut)
Nov 06 15:15:31 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Apps don't work like that.
Nov 06 15:16:07 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: ok, so I should forget the 1st step ?
Nov 06 15:16:48 <docmur> onClick doesn't seem to work, I put this in onCreate in Place of onTouch and it's not being triggered: - Jucato_ is now known as Jucato
Nov 06 15:16:51 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: There's no purpose to it. For the second, you'll probably want to redo your entire thought process.
Nov 06 15:16:57 <docmur> - Jucato_ is now known as Jucato
Nov 06 15:16:59 <docmur> 10:16 < va- Jucato_ is now known as Jucato
Nov 06 15:17:07 <docmur> http://pastebin.com/QZuBRQNx
Nov 06 15:17:17 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: ok, can you help?
Nov 06 15:17:44 <vascobnunes> even more? :)
Nov 06 15:17:50 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Figure out what you want your app to do. Then figure out what part google calendar plays in that. And then use the Calendar APIs to either manipulate it directly, or use Intents to have the user manipulate it in their calendar of choice.
Nov 06 15:18:01 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Unless you're attempting to make your own calendar that is *just* a calendar.
Nov 06 15:18:12 <lov> kamoricks: no, I need you to google calender my app so that calender google calender do it now
Nov 06 15:18:28 <lov> please send me the codes.
Nov 06 15:18:42 <kamoricks> docmur: You're aware of the differenc between a long press and a click, yes?
Nov 06 15:19:04 <docmur> yes I want the user to hold the screen
Nov 06 15:19:14 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: the idea is just for the user to see  the calendar (and the respective appointments)
Nov 06 15:19:38 <kamoricks> docmur: Okay. Looks like WebView doesn't send click events. At all. So you won't be able to use anything lcick-based.
Nov 06 15:19:46 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: They already have an app for that - Google Calendar.
Nov 06 15:21:21 <kamoricks> docmur: First answer on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5116909/how-i-can-get-onclick-event-on-webview-in-android may be helpful.
Nov 06 15:22:30 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: :) ok, so you mean there is no use for the calendar tab, inside a small sports club app...
Nov 06 15:23:35 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: no need for something like this http://famoesclubeatletico.com/pages.aspx?pg=pagina9 in the app
Nov 06 15:23:56 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: I'd do it as an Intent to view the cal:// URI.
Nov 06 15:24:56 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: as an Intent to view the call:// URI ?? (I'm sorry...i'm newbie)
Nov 06 15:26:39 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Not call://. cal://. For calendars. Or an ICS file, or anything else that the Google Calendar app can open.
Nov 06 15:31:01 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: wanna tell me how i do that? starting from http://pastebin.com/fuhwHLj5
Nov 06 15:31:08 <vascobnunes> please
Nov 06 15:31:54 <regedit> i want to make an app that can be usable both interactively as a normal launch-able activity, as well as behind-the-scenes without ever bringing up the UI at all (by invocation from other apps)
Nov 06 15:32:02 <regedit> is this only possible by way of services? or is there a way to call upon the activity's activities without bringing 'em to the foreground
Nov 06 15:32:08 <lov> regedit: You want to use services.
Nov 06 15:32:16 <lov> Activities are for user-facing UI only.
Nov 06 15:32:25 <regedit> i see
Nov 06 15:32:44 <lov> regedit: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fundamentals.html
Nov 06 15:32:53 <Ge0rG> is there another type of UI, not user-facing?
Nov 06 15:33:08 <lov> we don't talk about that UI round these parts.
Nov 06 15:33:08 <belgianguy> err, does a Service/Binder disconnects on orientation change?
Nov 06 15:33:24 <lov> belgianguy: no, but the activity that binds to a service might close and be recreated.
Nov 06 15:33:39 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Intent intent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW); intent.setData(your_calendar_uri); startActivity(intent);
Nov 06 15:33:46 <belgianguy> lov: ah okay
Nov 06 15:34:21 <kamoricks> Ge0rG: Yes, the terrible kind.
Nov 06 15:35:22 <belgianguy> ugh, I'm not looking forward  to AIDL
Nov 06 15:36:09 <maslen> Why? It's not too bad
Nov 06 15:36:18 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: "The examples above show how to add a fragment to your activity in order to provide a UI. However, you can also use a fragment to provide a background behavior for the activity without presenting additional UI."
Nov 06 15:36:33 <belgianguy> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html
Nov 06 15:36:51 <Robbilie> hello :)
Nov 06 15:37:09 <Robbilie> just wanted to share something i am working on :)
Nov 06 15:37:10 <Robbilie> http://on.fb.me/SqxBgG & http://bit.ly/TI8Rnq
Nov 06 15:37:17 <baptistem> hey folks !
Nov 06 15:37:21 <regedit> to make a long-lasting notification-bar icon (similar to the wifi icon for example), i just spawn a regular notification and never remove it? or are there other facilities/APIs for the purpose of these kind of long lasting "status" icons
Nov 06 15:37:29 <baptistem> adb is boring me with 'application already deployed' is there any way to force deploy?
Nov 06 15:37:46 <lov> baptistem: huh?
Nov 06 15:38:06 <kamoricks> regedit: FLAG_NO_CLEAR.
Nov 06 15:38:06 <lov> regedit: correct. A notification is present until it's removed (or pressed, for non-long-lived notifications).
Nov 06 15:38:23 <regedit> ok thanks!
Nov 06 15:39:03 <baptistem> lov: when I'm trying to install my package (using ADT eclipse plugin) I got a "Application already deployed. No need to reinstall." I think it's because I changed only assets/www/* files
Nov 06 15:39:04 <belgianguy> anyone know what happens when an orientation change occurs, the service gets disconnected from the activity, and the service receives an event?
Nov 06 15:39:25 <kamoricks> belgianguy: What happens is the Activity is destroyed and re-created. WHat happenas as a result of that should be easy to figure.
Nov 06 15:39:44 <kamoricks> belgianguy: For instance, if you .bindService() in onCreate(), and you unbindService() in onDestroy(), your service is unbound and then re-bound.
Nov 06 15:40:04 <belgianguy> kamoricks: but before rebounding a message can be lost, correct?
Nov 06 15:40:06 <kamoricks> belgianguy: If your service is unbound, and there's nothing else binding to it, the service is destroyed, and then created again when it's bound.
Nov 06 15:40:09 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: again, you still lack a proper lifecycle in such a case
Nov 06 15:40:17 <maslen> kamoricks: Is there some sort of convention for how services should be managed?
Nov 06 15:40:48 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: I know, but a disconnect is something I'd have to handle as well
Nov 06 15:40:57 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: thanks. I'll try that
Nov 06 15:41:01 <kamoricks> maslen: Depends on the service. If you're using it for something like location, pretty much like the above. If you're using it for a long-running background task, there's other ways.
Nov 06 15:41:27 <belgianguy> eg, if a call comes in, and the activity is active
Nov 06 15:41:36 <kamoricks> belgianguy: It sounds like you want your service to run independent of the activity.
Nov 06 15:41:44 <Robbilie> http://on.fb.me/SqxBgG & http://bit.ly/TI8Rnq
Nov 06 15:41:50 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: and regardless, even if you choose to manage the network connection from the activity
Nov 06 15:41:59 <MDijkstra> why not manage it from the activity directly?
Nov 06 15:42:01 <maslen> kamoricks: The reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a research project (yay, nutty professors), which involves stubbing an Activity as a Service, and I'm trying to replicate the Activity back stack
Nov 06 15:42:01 <belgianguy> the activity _is_ killed IIRC, but the fragment is retained, by setRetainedInstance(trueà
Nov 06 15:42:05 <MDijkstra> what's the point of the fragment?
Nov 06 15:42:27 <belgianguy> fragments can persists a orientation change
Nov 06 15:42:30 <kamoricks> maslen: Uh... No, that probably won't happen, why?
Nov 06 15:42:43 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: activities can too
Nov 06 15:42:44 <maslen> kamoricks: Which bit?
Nov 06 15:43:03 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: how?
Nov 06 15:43:10 <kamoricks> maslen: Adding lifecycle events to a component.
Nov 06 15:43:13 <MDijkstra> by handling the orientation change event yourself
Nov 06 15:43:24 <lov> baptistem: you could try project -> clean, then building and installing.
Nov 06 15:43:52 <maslen> kamoricks: I'm obviously missing a detail. Mind filling me in?
Nov 06 15:43:54 <lov> baptistem: that said, changing anything in your project should force a rebuild. Did you change it outside of eclipse? Eclipse is really cruddy about knowing about changes outside of it. You have to force it to refersh the project.
Nov 06 15:44:06 <maslen> (I'm still very, very, new to Android. Which doesn't make this any easier)
Nov 06 15:44:10 <kamoricks> maslen: You're stubbing an activity as a service. What does that mean? Activities have different lifecycle management.
Nov 06 15:44:11 <lov> 10:42:07 < maslen> kamoricks: The reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a research project (yay, nutty professors), which  involves stubbing an Activity as a Service, and I'm trying to replicate the Activity back stack
Nov 06 15:44:12 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: restarting the activity is just default behavior, you can override it
Nov 06 15:44:15 <lov> What in the fuck
Nov 06 15:44:31 <lov> maslen: either you're confusing something, or your professor is
Nov 06 15:45:43 <maslen> lov: The idea is to run two versions of an app at the same time and wrap specific calls, to see the differences between two (minor) versions of an app
Nov 06 15:46:02 <lov> maslen: ok. Change the package name, as that's the unique identifier.
Nov 06 15:46:29 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: also, you don't need AIDL at all for a local service
Nov 06 15:46:36 <lov> ^^
Nov 06 15:46:52 <lov> AIDL is only necessary if you'll be doing interprocess connections, and if you need synchronous calls.
Nov 06 15:46:55 <maslen> kamoricks: Most of the lifecycle stuff doesn't seem to be hugely different... yet.
Nov 06 15:47:10 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: ah, I was browsing SO, and one question had that as an (accepted) answer
Nov 06 15:47:18 <lov> maslen: please read this http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fundamentals.html
Nov 06 15:47:40 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: what would I override when the orientation changes? Google isn't helping
Nov 06 15:49:42 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: nm, this would be it I guessm: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/456211/activity-restart-on-rotation-android
Nov 06 15:50:19 <maslen> lov: OK, read it.
Nov 06 15:50:39 <lov> maslen: ok, so you understand the difference between services and activities?
Nov 06 15:50:44 <maslen> I do.
Nov 06 15:50:55 <lov> ok, great.
Nov 06 15:51:01 <lov> So, on to your problem.
Nov 06 15:51:02 <belgianguy> ugh, that too, is a minefield if I may believe the comments, but I'll investigate further
Nov 06 15:51:02 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: but in this case, how are you going to handle messages when the activity isn't running?
Nov 06 15:51:13 <maslen> lov: I'm just grunt labor.
Nov 06 15:51:25 <lov> maslen: well you're in here so obviously you're going to be writing something.
Nov 06 15:51:31 <maslen> Yup.
Nov 06 15:51:43 <lov> So, what is it that you need to know/do/etc?
Nov 06 15:51:45 <belgianguy> The service should be started from within the Act, and when the user quits, the service should stop/quit too
Nov 06 15:51:55 <maslen> lov: In general, or specifically?
Nov 06 15:52:16 <lov> maslen: yes.
Nov 06 15:52:25 <belgianguy> (it hooks (Join game) or starts (Host game) a Kademlia P2P network)
Nov 06 15:52:36 <MDijkstra> right
Nov 06 15:52:49 <MDijkstra> but then you don't really care about activity orientation changes right?
Nov 06 15:53:11 <maslen> In general - the goal is to 'background' the app so I can run multiple versions of it. Specifically, I'm trying to simulate the Activity lifecycle so an application with multiple Activity's can run properly.
Nov 06 15:53:16 <MDijkstra> or well, in a game you usually want to handle those manually regardless of whether you need to keep a network connection open
Nov 06 15:53:22 <maslen> lov: ^^
Nov 06 15:53:26 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: the GUI will depend on that, I was planning on having a custom gui
Nov 06 15:53:33 <MDijkstra> yeah, fair enough
Nov 06 15:53:44 <lov> maslen: ok, so.
Nov 06 15:53:57 <lov> maslen: you can have multiple instances of an Activity started; they just live in different tasks.
Nov 06 15:54:00 <lov> However.
Nov 06 15:54:07 <lov> You can only have one instance of the application itself running.
Nov 06 15:54:20 <maslen> Perhaps I was unclear then.
Nov 06 15:54:40 <lov> If you want to have multiple instances of the application, you have to effectively make multiple applications by changing the package name.
Nov 06 15:55:22 <maslen> Is it possible to 'call' into both of them without launching both activities in the foreground? (as I would assume that's impossible)
Nov 06 15:55:41 <MDijkstra> you can't even install them
Nov 06 15:55:49 <lov> maslen: to what end?
Nov 06 15:55:51 <lov> let me rephrase.
Nov 06 15:55:58 <lov> What, exactly, are you going to be calling?
Nov 06 15:55:58 <MDijkstra> as the package manager will see it's already installed
Nov 06 15:56:13 <lov> Are you going to be calling things that require a UI frontend? Yes or no.
Nov 06 15:56:16 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: the Service approach does seem more natural (and safer) to me, but I can't wrap my head around it just yet
Nov 06 15:56:24 <lov> If yes, the activity needs to be in the foreground, and only one activity can be in the foreground at once.
Nov 06 15:56:29 <lov> If no, consider using a Service or something.
Nov 06 15:56:41 <maslen> Things will require a UI.
Nov 06 15:56:45 <lov> ok.
Nov 06 15:56:45 <belgianguy> as even in my current case, the Act dies, but refinds the Fragment (which has a Thread), so I have some 'dead moments' there, too
Nov 06 15:56:51 <lov> Well, you can't call these things simultaniously.
Nov 06 15:56:59 <maslen> The goal here is to do that
Nov 06 15:57:05 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: well, it depends on how you manage the service
Nov 06 15:57:06 <lov> Then unfortunately your goal is impossible.
Nov 06 15:57:15 <lov> You might be able to use fragments.
Nov 06 15:57:26 <maslen> I think I misused the vocabulary.
Nov 06 15:57:30 <lov> Fragments generally act as UI containers in the way that activities are supposed to.
Nov 06 15:57:31 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: you can do the binding/unbinding, but then it'd die when your activity gets cleaned up
Nov 06 15:57:45 <lov> You can have multiple Fragments in an Activity, and each Fragment can be slightly different in what you need it to do
Nov 06 15:57:58 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: better in this case is to simply, on activity start, check if it is running, if it isn't start it
Nov 06 15:58:08 <MDijkstra> where it==the service
Nov 06 15:58:10 <lov> Actually, let me dig into this further.
Nov 06 15:58:18 <lov> What kinds of things are you actually going to be invoking?
Nov 06 15:58:21 <lov> Are you testing GL drawing or something?
Nov 06 15:58:29 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: and provide a menu item to close the service again
Nov 06 15:58:41 <MDijkstra> ie, 'shutdown' in the overflow menu
Nov 06 15:58:57 <maslen> lov: Would it be easier for you to see code?
Nov 06 15:58:59 <MDijkstra> either that or have the service shut itself down after a period of inactivity
Nov 06 15:59:09 <lov> maslen: it might, but having a more clear idea of what you're trying to test would probably be best.
Nov 06 15:59:13 <MDijkstra> the latter might be even better
Nov 06 15:59:15 <Chrishas> hi, I have the following code: http://pastebin.com/gpCRZ9Md but the list doesn't get updated when I change the date, any help?
Nov 06 15:59:37 <maslen> lov: I'll try to phrase it well, give me a minute or two
Nov 06 16:00:10 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: the Service should shut down when any peer leaves the network (you need a set amount of players)
Nov 06 16:00:15 <lov> thanks.
Nov 06 16:00:23 <belgianguy> or when a message delivery fails/tcp disconnects
Nov 06 16:00:29 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: right, that would also work then
Nov 06 16:00:29 <karakuri> hi all
Nov 06 16:00:48 <MDijkstra> start the service if it isn't already running in the activity onStart
Nov 06 16:01:19 <MDijkstra> stop it in the service on some end condition
Nov 06 16:01:30 <karakuri> the EditText cursor overlaps the last letter on one of my devices
Nov 06 16:01:53 <karakuri> posted it on SO with a screen shot
Nov 06 16:01:55 <karakuri> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13254758/edittext-cursor-overlapping-last-letter
Nov 06 16:02:13 <karakuri> anyone got an idea what might be wrong?
Nov 06 16:03:06 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: what kind of game are you building, by the way?
Nov 06 16:03:32 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: card game
Nov 06 16:04:55 <maslen> lov: The goal is to run two versions of an application simultaneously to see differences between them. One of the first challenges is that each version of the app has its own Activity, at a minimum. Another major goal is that this should be an automated replacement. The method used to get around this is to cause each Activity from the original app to be remade as a Service and then we can run both "Activity"'s at the same time, to see what sort of 
Nov 06 16:05:28 <MDijkstra> maslen: why not launch two separate AVD's?
Nov 06 16:05:34 <lov> seriously.
Nov 06 16:05:41 <MDijkstra> instrument them so you can see whats going on
Nov 06 16:05:43 <MDijkstra> and compare
Nov 06 16:05:54 <maslen> The goal is that this should be able to run on user devices, to get 'real user input' for testing
Nov 06 16:06:10 <lov> that's totally orthogonal to what you're trying to do, though.
Nov 06 16:06:21 <maslen> Why?
Nov 06 16:06:35 <lov> ok, let me dig deeper into this.
Nov 06 16:06:39 <lov> What kinds of changes are you trying to compare?
Nov 06 16:06:51 <lov> In particular, why do you need two separate applications?
Nov 06 16:07:02 <lov> Why is it not acceptable to have one application with multiple activities / services?
Nov 06 16:07:23 <maslen> Currently, UI, but I'd assume it will extend to persistent storage and external communication
Nov 06 16:07:28 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: if I prevent the act from restarting (with android:configChanges="orientation|screenSize".) will it redraw the GUI?
Nov 06 16:07:30 <lov> that's really, really vague.
Nov 06 16:07:43 <lov> What, with regards to the UI, are you changing?
Nov 06 16:07:50 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: not if you don't explicitly tell it to
Nov 06 16:08:13 <lov> You may wish to consider having your "base" application live as a library, and have applications that extend that library and change some elements of it such as layouts, etc.
Nov 06 16:08:16 <belgianguy> I'd like it to
Nov 06 16:08:26 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: ie, that's why it restarts by default, because that's the only way to be sure it correctly loads the new resources, ie
Nov 06 16:08:35 <MDijkstra> *etc
Nov 06 16:08:40 <maslen> The idea is that this should be a 'drop-in' replacement for any piece of code
Nov 06 16:08:53 <maslen> in any project*
Nov 06 16:09:25 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: that's what I thought, and why I'm still uneasy about it :/
Nov 06 16:09:28 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: if you override it you're going to have to tell your UI to redraw manually
Nov 06 16:09:44 <MDijkstra> but that's not such a big deal, usually
Nov 06 16:09:54 <lov> maslen: I would strongly recommend that you use a Library for your base and having Applications reference that library.
Nov 06 16:09:55 <MDijkstra> ie, you already have a method that's drawing your UI
Nov 06 16:09:57 <MDijkstra> just call it again
Nov 06 16:10:00 <lov> You'll be able to do things like inject classes, etc at runtime
Nov 06 16:10:02 <lov> er
Nov 06 16:10:04 <lov> at compile time
Nov 06 16:10:06 <digitalfallacy> Hi,  just a simple question .. I have a package hierarchy such as abc.xyz.efj.*** .. and have given abc.xyz.efj as the package name at the time of creation of project .. now i am getting the error  'R cannot be resolved to a variable' i have tried restarting eclipse .. rebuilding the project cleaning and the error only goes when i import abc.xyz.efj ..
Nov 06 16:10:14 <lov> well, it'll happen at runtime but that's not the point.
Nov 06 16:10:29 <maslen> lov: Could you describe that a bit more?
Nov 06 16:10:55 <lov> The point is that you can have different applications which just have different string resources that point to classnames, and at runtime your apps can read these string resources and perform the right behavior, etc.
Nov 06 16:11:20 <lov> maslen: http://developer.android.com/tools/projects/index.html
Nov 06 16:11:21 <belgianguy> MDijkstra: that's what started this whole issue :) UI now is 2 buttons "Host" and "Join", but then I want to introduce my custom UI...
Nov 06 16:11:24 <lov> look at Libraries
Nov 06 16:11:42 <lov> the important thing to remember about Android is that the resources system is EXTREMELY flexible and powerful.
Nov 06 16:11:47 <lov> So, Library A has layout X
Nov 06 16:12:00 <lov> Application B can then specify a different xml file for layout X
Nov 06 16:12:10 <lov> which means that at runtime, your layout is totally different.
Nov 06 16:12:17 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: well, in your current setup it should suffice to simply call setContentView again
Nov 06 16:12:34 <lov> Write your activity to handle these different layouts appropriately, and you can have multiple instances of basically the same application but with different views.
Nov 06 16:12:39 <lov> s/views/layouts.
Nov 06 16:12:58 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: in the case of a fragment you could simply tell its root layout to relayout
Nov 06 16:14:01 <maslen> lov: The more I think about it, the nicer this would be if it were implemented as a library. Right now the wrapping is done by making the class inherit from "stubbedActivity" instead of the built-in Android Activity.
Nov 06 16:14:20 <maslen> lov: The issue is that this shouldn't require any significant change in the code to use this 'automated testing'
Nov 06 16:14:21 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: ie, in the onConfigurationChange you could tell your fragment
Nov 06 16:14:40 <MDijkstra> belgianguy: which can then do something like: mRootLayout.requestLayout()
Nov 06 16:14:46 <MDijkstra> and all should be fine
Nov 06 16:15:15 <maslen> So if it's just a matter of adding a library as the first entry in the classpath, that could work beautifully. But if it requires any intelligent modifications to the original source code, that's bad.
Nov 06 16:15:53 <lov> maslen: it totally depends on the extent of your modifications.
Nov 06 16:16:01 <lov> If you're testing out different layout arrangements, this is totally perfect
Nov 06 16:16:04 <digitalfallacy> I have a package hierarchy such as abc.xyz.efj.*** .. and have given abc.xyz.efj as the package name at the time of creation of project .. now i am getting the error  'R cannot be resolved to a variable' i have tried restarting eclipse .. rebuilding the project cleaning and the error only goes when i import abc.xyz.efj ..  .. what could be the problem .. i have tried several things .. but nothing is helping
Nov 06 16:16:09 <lov> if you want totally different behaviors, it may not be so helpful.
Nov 06 16:16:20 <maslen> lov: I don't think this system would work for any major modifications.
Nov 06 16:16:39 <lov> well, there's more than just changing layouts.
Nov 06 16:16:39 <maslen> lov: It's meant for testing the difference between vs 1.24 and v1.25
Nov 06 16:16:45 <lov> oh.
Nov 06 16:16:54 <lov> uh
Nov 06 16:16:59 <maslen> like, which queries it runs on the DB
Nov 06 16:17:04 <lov> oh.
Nov 06 16:17:06 <lov> right.
Nov 06 16:17:08 <maslen> Or what it writes to a File
Nov 06 16:17:10 <MDijkstra> it seems to me you have impossible requirements
Nov 06 16:17:13 <lov> ^^
Nov 06 16:17:17 <maslen> Possibly. That wouldn't suprise me
Nov 06 16:17:27 <lov> It really sounds like you want a "do everything that I want at all times" project.
Nov 06 16:17:52 <lov> if you want to determine what queries are run on the DB? Have a layer that tracks all the calls and writes them to disk.
Nov 06 16:18:05 <lov> If you want to know what it writes to a file? look at the damn file.
Nov 06 16:18:11 <lov> There's unit testing and instrumentation if that will help
Nov 06 16:18:16 <maslen> Right. But I'd need to do that as a 'drop-in' replacement
Nov 06 16:18:22 <MDijkstra> the way to accomplish either a few of the things you want are:
Nov 06 16:18:23 <lov> yeah.
Nov 06 16:18:30 <MDijkstra> 1) go the AVD route, you lose on-device testing
Nov 06 16:18:31 <lov> I don't really know what it is you plan to do but good luck!
Nov 06 16:18:37 <maslen> :)
Nov 06 16:18:58 <MDijkstra> 2) modify android, you need people to run a custom version obviously
Nov 06 16:19:05 <maslen> If I were to add my wrapping code to a library or jar file, and make that the first place to look at compile time, would that allow me to wrap built-in types that exist in android ?
Nov 06 16:19:24 <MDijkstra> the AVD route generally seems to most viable to me
Nov 06 16:19:32 <kamoricks> maslen: No, that requires overriding the bootclasspath. Please don't, it causes weird problems.
Nov 06 16:19:47 <maslen> kamoricks: In Eclipse or on the device?
Nov 06 16:19:52 <kamoricks> maslen: Both.
Nov 06 16:19:58 <maslen> Oh. Darn
Nov 06 16:20:25 <maslen> MDijkstra: The current method is to make the original Activity referenced in the code refer to a custom stub Activity class
Nov 06 16:20:53 <maslen> Then all that needs to be modified is the imports.. assuming that the code doesn't use the qualified name for Activity.
Nov 06 16:21:14 <kamoricks> maslen: You're probably better off engineering the bytecode after javac runs but before apk.
Nov 06 16:21:56 <kamoricks> maslen: maven-shade-plugin will allow you to rename all references to one class to those of another class, but note that maven-android-plugin currently binds it to the wrong lifecycle phase (it triggers *after* dex), so you'll have to patch it. There's a patch on the bug report thread.
Nov 06 16:21:57 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: how do i get my calendar's uri?
Nov 06 16:22:13 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Google Calendar has one under "Share...".
Nov 06 16:22:29 <RandomSort> Android is making me sad right now :(
Nov 06 16:22:51 <maslen> kamoricks: If the bug has a patch, with something like this, that's not even considered to be a real bug, I wish everything was that straightforward
Nov 06 16:23:26 <Robbilie> http://on.fb.me/SqxBgG & http://bit.ly/TI8Rnq please take a look at it and give me feedback :(
Nov 06 16:23:45 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: something like this:  tb91qt9clk7tk30tp623injid4@group.calendar.google.com ?
Nov 06 16:24:06 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: That's an email address. Try again. You want an ICS, VCAL, or HTTP URI.
Nov 06 16:25:17 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/tb91qt9clk7tk30tp623injid4%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics ?
Nov 06 16:25:24 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Yep.
Nov 06 16:26:45 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: just paste that into where u have your_calendar_uri, right?
Nov 06 16:26:51 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Yep.
Nov 06 16:27:57 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: so: http://pastebin.com/6Srbp3Ss ?
Nov 06 16:28:21 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Yep.
Nov 06 16:29:52 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: i'm getting eclipse suggesting to change setData() to setClipData()
Nov 06 16:30:52 <maslen> kamoricks: I've never heard of shading before. Would you mind defining the term for me?
Nov 06 16:31:07 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: I develop for API 8 + compat, so I can't really help with that.
Nov 06 16:31:33 <kamoricks> maslen: maven-shade-plugin is a bytecode engineering library which replaces all instances of a given classname with instances of another classname, for the purpose of naming libraries different things to avoid naming conflicts.
Nov 06 16:31:37 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: ok, i'll try to accept the suggestion
Nov 06 16:32:14 <belgianguy> hmm, is using Broadcast acceptable if there only ever will be one Act that uses it?
Nov 06 16:32:38 <kamoricks> maslen: For instance, if I wanted to depend on *my* version of HttpComponents instead of Android's bundled old out-of-date version, I would build with org.apache.http renamed to com.myapp.apache.http, or something, and it'd just rewrite all of the classnames in the bytecode.
Nov 06 16:33:09 <maslen> kamoricks: That sounds like exactly what I need to do
Nov 06 16:33:16 <kamoricks> maslen: Yep.
Nov 06 16:33:52 <maslen> So all I need is to have my code compiled as a library or jar, and then use that to rewrite the existing code to reference mine, without needing to make any source code modifications
Nov 06 16:34:01 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: the error is: "- your_calendar_uri cannot be resolved to a variable 	- The method setData(Uri) in the type Intent is not applicable for the arguments "
Nov 06 16:34:05 <maslen> the existing bytecode*
Nov 06 16:34:29 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Sorry. Uri.parse(your_uri_here). It needs to be a Uri.
Nov 06 16:34:33 <kamoricks> maslen: Yep.
Nov 06 16:34:54 <maslen> kamoricks: Someone had previously mentioned using ASM to do something like that. Any thoughts on one vs the other?
Nov 06 16:35:20 <kamoricks> maslen: maven-shade-plugin uses ASM. It's purpose-built. If you wanted more control, or you didn't want to use maven for some reason, then yeah, ASM would be great.
Nov 06 16:35:31 <maslen> nice.
Nov 06 16:36:15 <maslen> Time to figure this out then. I've never used maven or ASM before (in any real way).
Nov 06 16:36:24 <kamoricks> maslen: Okay. Maven replaces your current build process.
Nov 06 16:36:48 <maslen> Right click -> Run as -> Android Application :)
Nov 06 16:37:07 <kamoricks> maslen: And note the thing I said above - you have to use a patched version of android-maven-plugin, since the version in central executes javac -> dex -> shade, when it has to exsecute javac -> shade -> dex.
Nov 06 16:49:43 <trytrytry> hi, I'm an android beginner. I want to create an app that lets you order food from a restaurant. The restaurant itself has to get notifications about orders somehow (not necessesarily in an android device). What is the prefered android way of doing this app. I'm thinking about sending http requests with JSON to a web server running php and storing data about orders in MySQL on the remote server. Any other ways to think about this? What's common in andro
Nov 06 16:52:02 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: the result is a very long list of text.... :(
Nov 06 16:57:12 <dragorn> is there a preferred method for showing a relatively large text file, like a help file or the "what's changed" window?  Or shoudl I just throw it in a HTML and point a webview at it
Nov 06 17:03:35 <ivdorelian> did anyone use the new tapjoy sdk yet?
Nov 06 17:20:41 <kamoricks> I want to create a DIalog with custom contents. Dialogs seems to say I should use an AlertDialog for this. AlertDialog says I should use android.R.id.custom. However, this ID doesn't resolve to a View nor a Layout.
Nov 06 17:21:11 <kamoricks> How do I create a custom dialog with custom contents?
Nov 06 17:22:06 <f2prateek> kamoricks: what do you mean by custom contents?
Nov 06 17:22:38 <kamoricks> f2prateek: I have a layout XML file I'd like to make the dialog's contents.
Nov 06 17:23:02 <f2prateek> kamoricks: you can alway have an activity themed like a dialog
Nov 06 17:23:20 <kamoricks> f2prateek: I'd also like it to behave like a dialog, since it's a set of questions which affect the current task.
Nov 06 17:23:43 <kamoricks> f2prateek: I'm aware it'll look the same, but it's also easier for it simply to mutate the current activity state rather than serialize/deserialize a state transfer object.
Nov 06 17:24:24 <f2prateek> k
Nov 06 17:24:25 <kamoricks> f2prateek: ...And I seem to have accidentally solved it by typo'ing "customLayout" instead of "layout", ignoring all of the tutorials, and simply doing LayoutInflater.inflate(R.layout.my_layout, null, false); and using AlertDialog.Builder.setView(that);
Nov 06 17:28:10 <b0ot> I have an android tablet and I want to connect to different LANS together via USB and control the routing between the two... are there any apps that can do this, or can anyone suggest a way to do this
Nov 06 17:28:36 <kamoricks> b0ot: That'll require root, first off. Given that, iptables is how it's done.
Nov 06 17:29:24 <b0ot> kamoricks, I couldn't find any good info on my searches online: Does android have anything like RNDIS or something that will allow a USB connection to appear as an ethernet connection as it would on linux?
Nov 06 17:30:06 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: any other suggestion?
Nov 06 17:30:14 <kamoricks> b0ot: usbnet should be available, yeah.
Nov 06 17:30:35 <b0ot> and it sounds like from what you were saying that you can only modify routing tables with root access?
Nov 06 17:31:11 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Nope. You don't have an app for that URI. Giving the URI to the google calendar link may invoke it. Otherwise, you'll have to invoke the specific calendar app in question, which isn't something you should do.
Nov 06 17:31:14 <dragorn> you cannot configure the interface w/out root, including routing
Nov 06 17:31:42 <dragorn> you can ghetto-rig it depending how much real ethernet you need, if you wrote usb drivers using the host mode API
Nov 06 17:31:54 <dragorn> but it won't connect to the tcp stack that way
Nov 06 17:31:56 <RandomSort> anyone have experience with webview.loadDataWithBaseUrl working different in android 2.3 vs 4.0?
Nov 06 17:32:42 <b0ot> Is there a way to only give root access to one application and nothing else?
Nov 06 17:33:07 <dragorn> b0ot: not w/out rooting the device in the first place
Nov 06 17:33:23 <dragorn> unless you make a custom rom or require the user to exploit/root the device, you cannot perform root functions on android, period
Nov 06 17:33:36 <b0ot> hmm
Nov 06 17:33:52 <b0ot> so you could root it make the changes for one app and then unroot it somehow?
Nov 06 17:33:53 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: how do I "give the URI to the google calendar link to invoke it" ?
Nov 06 17:33:58 <b0ot> sorry very new to this?
Nov 06 17:33:58 <dragorn> once rooted a user can chose if they trust giving your app root access - but the answer should always be 'no' because there is no way to know what it's doing once you do.
Nov 06 17:34:06 <kamoricks> vascobnunes: Google calendar has a URI that you access it through. You could try that one.
Nov 06 17:34:07 <dragorn> b0ot: Horrifically insecure
Nov 06 17:34:14 <b0ot> hmm
Nov 06 17:34:16 <b0ot> alright
Nov 06 17:34:25 <b0ot> Are there any native linux tablets?
Nov 06 17:34:31 <dragorn> b0ot: if an application requires root, I won't be running it.  Once you give it root theres no way to control what it does.
Nov 06 17:34:37 <kamoricks> b0ot: Yes.
Nov 06 17:34:59 <dragorn> b0ot: if you're doing this for yourself - sure, root away and you can do what you want.  You're going to have a hard time if you're distributing it however.
Nov 06 17:35:06 <dragorn> b0ot: you can run ubuntu on the n7
Nov 06 17:35:21 <b0ot> looking at something we could possibliy distribute
Nov 06 17:35:32 <kamoricks> Anything by Eee will run linux. Linux will run on nearly any of the Windows 8 Surface tablets.
Nov 06 17:35:36 <dragorn> b0ot: or you can develop a custom rom (beyond the scope of this channel).  Again, security issues however.
Nov 06 17:36:04 <dragorn> kamoricks: intel based ones, maybe.  Not the arm ones, they've put bootloader locks to prevent any non-wp use
Nov 06 17:36:34 <kamoricks> dragorn: UEFI isn't a bootloader lock, it's a way of validating...
Nov 06 17:37:05 <RazielZ> Aren't those things horribly overpriced anyway?
Nov 06 17:37:10 <kamoricks> dragorn: Anyway, you'd just add your signed bootloader image to the list of those allowed by EUFI.
Nov 06 17:37:12 <dragorn> kamoricks: they've explicitly said non-ms signed kernels will not run on arm uefi systems
Nov 06 17:37:27 <dragorn> kamoricks: on intel the option can be disabled.  on arm they have said, many times, that it can not.
Nov 06 17:37:29 <kamoricks> dragorn: They've added Verisign to the root CA. They're delusional.
Nov 06 17:38:48 <kamoricks> dragorn: Also, the windows MBR can and will load linux.
Nov 06 17:39:05 <kamoricks> But this is getting further away from android.
Nov 06 17:40:26 <vascobnunes> kamoricks: that opens the calendar webpage
Nov 06 18:36:57 <regedit> does a sqlite database persist through force-stopping the app and/or rebooting? if i create my tables in SQLiteOpenHelper.onCreate() won't that create my tables every time the app initiated/started?
Nov 06 18:38:59 <karakuri> is it possible for more than one instance of an application to be running at the same time?
Nov 06 18:39:09 <maslen> lol.
Nov 06 18:40:17 <belgianguy> karakuri: on the same emulator/device -> no
Nov 06 18:46:29 <ivdorelian> does the language level used to compile a project matter in general?
Nov 06 18:47:54 <TachyonDev2> huh?
Nov 06 18:48:19 <ivdorelian> the java version
Nov 06 18:48:25 <ivdorelian> 6 or 7
Nov 06 18:48:36 <TachyonDev2> oh i think only 6 is supported officially still
Nov 06 18:49:21 <ivdorelian> ah ok
Nov 06 18:50:27 <ivdorelian> in that case, is destination.transferFrom(source, 0, source.size()); considered a good way to copy files?
Nov 06 18:51:32 <TachyonDev2> ive never used that method
Nov 06 18:51:43 <ivdorelian> what did you use?
Nov 06 18:52:07 <TachyonDev2> i guess just menual stream so i can keep track of progress
Nov 06 18:52:11 <TachyonDev2> manual*
Nov 06 18:52:21 <ivdorelian> ah
Nov 06 18:52:25 <ivdorelian> well i don't really care about progress
Nov 06 18:52:38 <TachyonDev2> also i can control the buffer size
Nov 06 18:52:56 <TachyonDev2> just dont like using input/output streams?
Nov 06 18:53:10 <ivdorelian> no, i read that i shouldn't because it's ugly :P
Nov 06 18:53:17 <ivdorelian> that was my first solution too
Nov 06 18:53:42 <ivdorelian> this uses streams too actually
Nov 06 18:53:53 <TachyonDev2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4447477/android-how-to-copy-files-in-assets-to-sdcard
Nov 06 18:54:46 <ivdorelian> guess i should just keep it simple and use manual copy
Nov 06 18:55:18 <ivdorelian> you mentioned buffer size, is 1024 a good value?
Nov 06 18:55:37 <TachyonDev2> its fine
Nov 06 18:55:42 <ivdorelian> ok, thanks
Nov 06 18:57:36 <gdogg> Hey guys, I am working on tweaking something in the framework. PowerManager, but I want to get a stack trace on suspend resume. Problem is I cannot conenct fast enough to do it through normal means. How could I dump it through logcat so I can check it on the UART?
Nov 06 18:57:43 <TachyonDev2> man this channel is a black hole now-a-days
Nov 06 18:57:53 <canadiancow> lol
Nov 06 18:58:10 <canadiancow> not completely
Nov 06 18:58:22 <karakuri> when i call Camera.open(), some devices take a really one time to open the camera
Nov 06 18:58:28 <TachyonDev2> gdogg.. framework mods .. have you tried #android-root?
Nov 06 18:58:30 <karakuri> *really long
Nov 06 18:58:37 <canadiancow> but all the east coast people are moving west, so it's afternoon in NY before we're on :D
Nov 06 18:58:45 <TachyonDev2> karakuri: yup, and all the camera apps are different, and a lot of devices suck
Nov 06 18:58:50 <TachyonDev2> hah
Nov 06 18:59:06 <TachyonDev2> yeah im not looking forward to the 6+ inches of snow after having my fence destroyed by the storm
Nov 06 18:59:09 <karakuri> yeah, it seems like there's nothing i can really do about it...
Nov 06 18:59:13 <TachyonDev2> nope
Nov 06 18:59:19 <gdogg> TachyonDev2: I will try there. Thanks
Nov 06 18:59:21 <TachyonDev2> make your own android app?
Nov 06 18:59:27 <TachyonDev2> err camera app
Nov 06 18:59:48 <karakuri> i'm using the camera within my app
Nov 06 18:59:53 <karakuri> not opening the native camera app
Nov 06 19:00:05 <TachyonDev2> oh well yeah, even initializing the camera takes all kinds of different time based on the hardware
Nov 06 19:00:10 <karakuri> yeah...
Nov 06 19:00:20 <TachyonDev2> welcome to android
Nov 06 19:00:37 <karakuri> been here for a while, hehe
Nov 06 19:00:40 <TachyonDev2> :P
Nov 06 19:00:42 <karakuri> but not with camera
Nov 06 19:00:46 <karakuri> ah well
Nov 06 19:00:54 <TachyonDev2> ugh i need to work on my dj app some more
Nov 06 19:00:58 <TachyonDev2> really been putting that off
Nov 06 19:01:30 <TachyonDev2> oh guys, we are releasing a new Android Beta of GroupMe tomorrow if you guys would like to give it a whirl
Nov 06 19:02:08 <theTerry> I need suggestion for a QR code reader lib.  My client doesn't want to use zxing :(
Nov 06 19:02:15 <TachyonDev2> uhh
Nov 06 19:02:25 <TachyonDev2> what one would they want to use besides that?
Nov 06 19:02:33 <theTerry> yeah I know
Nov 06 19:02:35 <TachyonDev2> and why the hell are they using QR codes.. they are STUPID
Nov 06 19:02:36 <shmooz> TachyonDev2:  does it have 2 Technics 1200's you can mix with ?
Nov 06 19:02:48 <canadiancow> groupme... that served a purpose at i/o 2011, but i dont think ive used it since
Nov 06 19:03:02 <theTerry> QR codes are not stupid
Nov 06 19:03:03 <TachyonDev2> shmooz: ugh no .. it has super responsive pitch/que control of a single track that you plug into your mixer
Nov 06 19:03:07 <g00s> are qr codes bad?
Nov 06 19:03:18 <TachyonDev2> have you ever seen ANYBODY scan one of those god damn things in public?
Nov 06 19:03:23 <theTerry> yes
Nov 06 19:03:42 <TachyonDev2> ive never, every train, every poster, every sign
Nov 06 19:03:52 <TachyonDev2> its ludacris
Nov 06 19:04:00 <canadiancow> one thing i find amusing are the QR codes on the toronto subway
Nov 06 19:04:03 <canadiancow> they're for websites
Nov 06 19:04:06 <canadiancow> there's no cell service
Nov 06 19:04:12 <g00s> well, heh … not knowing where it would take me, and having an old android phone that probably has multiple critical unpatched vulnerabilities, there is no way in hell i would scan a public one … but the general idea is cool
Nov 06 19:04:13 <theTerry> until there is something better than QR codes they are not stupid
Nov 06 19:04:15 <TachyonDev2> shmooz: haha
Nov 06 19:04:23 <canadiancow> nfc
Nov 06 19:04:31 <canadiancow> g00s, get a nexus
Nov 06 19:04:34 <TachyonDev2> lol
Nov 06 19:04:41 <TachyonDev2> nfc, or how about a nice short web url?
Nov 06 19:04:42 <theTerry> when ever phone had nfc then yeah
Nov 06 19:04:48 <g00s> canadiancow: perhaps :)
Nov 06 19:04:49 <TachyonDev2> i dont have time to go up and scan a damn qr code
Nov 06 19:04:56 <TachyonDev2> just give me a link i can write down or go to later
Nov 06 19:04:59 <canadiancow> my nexus 7 has nfc but no camera
Nov 06 19:05:10 <g00s> i saw somebody put a qr code on their resume
Nov 06 19:05:19 <theTerry> people find time when they are able to enter a sweepstakes or participate in an instant win
Nov 06 19:05:32 <TachyonDev2> i would throw a resume with a qr code on it in the garbage
Nov 06 19:05:41 <maslen> g00s: Did it help them?
Nov 06 19:05:47 <canadiancow> i won something at a movie theatre. you had to download an app and compete in trivia. top 5 people got a prize. 4 people entered :D
Nov 06 19:05:53 <TachyonDev2> tablets dont need rear facing cameras
Nov 06 19:05:55 <g00s> TachyonDev2: it doesn't sound like you like qr codes or those who use them :D
Nov 06 19:05:56 <theTerry> wow there is alot of displaced hate for QR codes in here
Nov 06 19:06:03 <g00s> off with their heads !
Nov 06 19:06:21 <theTerry> everyone, sorry I asked
Nov 06 19:06:27 <TachyonDev2> i want to punch every asshole with an tablet filming at a concert
Nov 06 19:06:31 <TachyonDev2> blocking out the whole show
Nov 06 19:06:31 <g00s> maslen: not sure
Nov 06 19:06:44 <shmooz> I guess its a fad, I installed the barcode scanner and scanned only once to test, since then its been eating dust
Nov 06 19:07:14 <etcetera> is anyone getting the intel accelerated emulator to crash their retina MBP?
Nov 06 19:07:16 <maslen> I recall the barcode-to-autodownload torrent being relatively popular
Nov 06 19:07:16 <TachyonDev2> yeah its far and few between where the qr code makes sense .. and even then, what is wrong with zxing?
Nov 06 19:07:23 <etcetera> consistently getting crashiness with the latest sdk.
Nov 06 19:07:37 <belgianguy> etcetera: working fine on Ubuntu though
Nov 06 19:07:47 <TachyonDev2> shmooz: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.djtachyon.android.VirtualTurntableFree
Nov 06 19:07:52 <etcetera> belgianguy: ML.
Nov 06 19:07:54 <TachyonDev2> there is the free version if you want to give it a whirl
Nov 06 19:08:43 <TachyonDev2> wow the free version has over 250k downloads.. jesus i have been paying attention
Nov 06 19:08:49 <TachyonDev2> have not
Nov 06 19:08:55 <shmooz> it should have photorealistic 1200's and a mixer in the middle
Nov 06 19:09:03 <TachyonDev2> NOOO
Nov 06 19:09:14 <TachyonDev2> no stupid iOS real-looking crap
Nov 06 19:09:17 <TachyonDev2> i hate that
Nov 06 19:09:22 <shmooz> that you can spin with your finger and mix like an emulator
Nov 06 19:09:28 <TachyonDev2> and besides, you have no way to que without a second audio out
Nov 06 19:09:57 <TachyonDev2> this isnt a toy, its a professional tool
Nov 06 19:10:12 <TachyonDev2> go get Pocket DJ or Droid DJ if you want a toy
Nov 06 19:10:40 <TachyonDev2> oh 5k downloads on the paid version .. nice
Nov 06 19:10:44 <shmooz> alrightey old man
Nov 06 19:10:48 <TachyonDev2> lol
Nov 06 19:10:58 <TachyonDev2> hey man, people pay $6 for a professional tool
Nov 06 19:11:00 <TachyonDev2> :P
Nov 06 19:11:44 <maslen> cha-ching ?
Nov 06 19:12:44 <TachyonDev2> yeah its been a nice bit of side change.. the free app brings in a few hundred a month too in admob
Nov 06 19:13:03 <maslen> What was your time investment?
Nov 06 19:13:07 <shmooz> so how can you mix in the upcoming song ?
Nov 06 19:13:07 <TachyonDev2> hmm
Nov 06 19:13:16 <shmooz> that would be an important feature
Nov 06 19:13:23 <TachyonDev2> shmooz: a mixer and another device or deck
Nov 06 19:13:42 <TachyonDev2> there is no way to do it without a second audio output, what dont you get?  It's a Virtual Turntable
Nov 06 19:13:50 <TachyonDev2> not a Virtual DJ Setup with single audio out
Nov 06 19:14:00 <shmooz> can android mix 2 audio outputs ?
Nov 06 19:14:13 <zinx> shmooz: it tries not to
Nov 06 19:14:17 <TachyonDev2> *sigh*
Nov 06 19:14:19 <shmooz> but it can
Nov 06 19:14:27 <shmooz> yeah I think it can
Nov 06 19:14:29 <TachyonDev2> do you know what queing is?
Nov 06 19:14:37 <evancharlton> queing
Nov 06 19:14:42 <belgianguy> a queue
Nov 06 19:14:49 <zinx> i know what queueing is
Nov 06 19:14:51 <lov> something we're all doing for gas lately
Nov 06 19:14:59 <boooh> is there a sample for android lvl? whats its name?
Nov 06 19:15:00 <TachyonDev2> hah
Nov 06 19:15:03 <TachyonDev2> indeed
Nov 06 19:15:42 <TachyonDev2> you can mix anything .. since i am manually processing audio samples at the byte level in the NDK
Nov 06 19:16:05 <belgianguy> I see 4 methods of Service <> Activity communication here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4111398/android-notify-activity-from-service, which one is the recommended one (2 way communication)?
Nov 06 19:16:06 <TachyonDev2> but since you can listen to an audio output at the same time as sending a master out ..
Nov 06 19:16:20 <TachyonDev2> belgianguy: what are the speed requirements?
Nov 06 19:16:48 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: quickly as possible :)
Nov 06 19:16:50 <TachyonDev2> belgianguy: large data transfers or fast response time should use binding
Nov 06 19:17:13 <belgianguy> it's not large, but I don't want the Game to seem slow
Nov 06 19:17:29 <tinti> Any suggestions for Android development books? http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920021094.do?
Nov 06 19:17:30 <belgianguy> it's just a card game, and the service will be the network, listening
Nov 06 19:17:50 <TachyonDev2> bind the service if you are concerned, just be careful with it
Nov 06 19:18:29 <belgianguy> how would one pass a callback/listener then?
Nov 06 19:18:33 <TachyonDev2> i mean broadcasts are safer, but can take as a second or two
Nov 06 19:18:57 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: yeah, I've considered broadcast, but it indeed is slow
Nov 06 19:19:34 <belgianguy> binding would be ok, if I could find some example of how to set up a listener/callback
Nov 06 19:20:06 <TachyonDev2> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html
Nov 06 19:20:10 <shmooz> I'm still trying to compile ffmpeg on win7 with ndk, lost all my hair
Nov 06 19:20:39 <TachyonDev2> hah
Nov 06 19:20:42 <TachyonDev2> good luck with that
Nov 06 19:21:40 <TachyonDev2> took me forever to get the ndk build flags right for all my audio processing ndk libaries and code
Nov 06 19:21:56 <belgianguy> shmooz: I once tried just building ff-mpeg, even that didn't work
Nov 06 19:22:06 <belgianguy> I do have good experiences with the NDK though
Nov 06 19:22:39 <belgianguy> although you have to know if the architechture is different sometimes (eg when building for both ARMv6 and ARMv7)
Nov 06 19:22:55 <TachyonDev2> i just limit to v7, keeps the shitty devices out of the mix
Nov 06 19:22:56 <shmooz> if I install the same version of ubuntu that they say they tested with then it should be easy
Nov 06 19:23:13 <shmooz> which is like 10.10 or something
Nov 06 19:23:41 <belgianguy> btw TachyonDev2, what IDE do you use?
Nov 06 19:23:58 <TachyonDev2> for ndk or sdk?
Nov 06 19:24:10 <belgianguy> sdk
Nov 06 19:24:13 <TachyonDev2> eclipse
Nov 06 19:24:41 <TachyonDev2> its painful, but up to date
Nov 06 19:24:45 <belgianguy> I've been experimenting with IntelliJ lately, it's nice
Nov 06 19:24:52 <belgianguy> and Apache Licensed
Nov 06 19:25:13 <belgianguy> Eclipse was a faitful (but slow) companion
Nov 06 19:25:18 <g00s> heh, MIPS just bought by Imagination
Nov 06 19:25:39 <belgianguy> IntelliJ seems faster and more succinct in their UI, while still powerful
Nov 06 19:25:45 <belgianguy> I'll stop now :p
Nov 06 19:26:06 <TachyonDev2> yeah my work computer is a monster, put eclipse still runs slow
Nov 06 19:26:42 <TachyonDev2> Dual 6 core Xeons @ 3.5GHz, 48 Gig of ECC .. still runs like shit
Nov 06 19:27:04 <belgianguy> also it had this weird behavior of wasting so much space with its debug and Java "Views"
Nov 06 19:27:10 <shmooz> is intelliJ written in java too ?
Nov 06 19:27:28 <belgianguy> shmooz: I wouldn'y know
Nov 06 19:27:37 <Zider> TachyonDev2: I have a Celeron 3GHz, and it runs fine for me. :P
Nov 06 19:28:25 <belgianguy> Eclipse used to choke or generate some odd errors, haven't run into those in IntelliJ yet
Nov 06 19:28:31 <shmooz> a IDE written with C/C++ would be more responsive than IDE written in java on PC's
Nov 06 19:29:24 <maslen> TachyonDev2: Is that what you use for making your android apps?
Nov 06 19:31:04 <TachyonDev2> I use Eclipse
Nov 06 19:31:30 <TachyonDev2> the NDK is all C/C++ though
Nov 06 19:31:45 <TachyonDev2> my dj app is Java, JNI, C, and C++
Nov 06 19:35:37 <muhoo> OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ
Nov 06 19:36:21 <TachyonDev2> \o/
Nov 06 19:41:40 <adq> TachyonDev2, i'm curious, what is the name of your DJ app? :)
Nov 06 19:42:19 <TachyonDev2> adq: Virtual DJ Turntable
Nov 06 19:43:16 <adq> TachyonDev2, nice :)) I got one too, but it's not DJ-focused! if you are curious: audioid
Nov 06 19:43:42 <adq> but i do all in the SDK with audiotrack :/ however the UI sux a bit and is over too heavy
Nov 06 19:44:16 <TachyonDev2> hah
Nov 06 19:44:23 <TachyonDev2> yeah android is not forgiving
Nov 06 19:44:28 <TachyonDev2> and the audio latency is a joke
Nov 06 19:44:34 <adq> exactly
Nov 06 19:44:43 <adq> i cannot go lower than the min buffer size given by audiotrack function
Nov 06 19:44:46 <TachyonDev2> there is some magic in jelly bean
Nov 06 19:44:47 <adq> so 'im stuck around 50ms
Nov 06 19:45:06 <adq> also fx cost a lot in cpu :/
Nov 06 19:45:13 <TachyonDev2> hah that is just the buffer size, if you measure memory->output some devices are as long as 200ms
Nov 06 19:45:27 <adq> true
Nov 06 19:45:45 <adq> i hope they will improve that :)
Nov 06 19:45:59 <TachyonDev2> in the NDK you can get the buffer size as low as you want, but the driver layers in jelly bean are 384 bytes, so that is the way to get the lowest latency
Nov 06 19:46:09 <TachyonDev2> is basically NDK, OpenSL, and a buffer size of 384
Nov 06 19:46:17 <adq> decent!
Nov 06 19:46:28 <TachyonDev2> yeah you can get as low as 11ms that way
Nov 06 19:46:30 <adq> on my device it's around 4800 bytes
Nov 06 19:46:32 <adq> the min I got
Nov 06 19:46:39 <TachyonDev2> yeah that sounds about right
Nov 06 19:46:43 <adq> but I found a way to cheat :)
Nov 06 19:46:54 <TachyonDev2> yeah me too
Nov 06 19:47:00 <adq> chhhhh :>
Nov 06 19:47:04 <TachyonDev2> hehe
Nov 06 19:47:28 <adq> I think the latency I got is driven by how fast you can write in the buffer which is eaten by audiotrack :)
Nov 06 19:47:56 <TachyonDev2> yeah i pass the memory space i give to OpenSL to the audio decoder
Nov 06 19:48:19 <TachyonDev2> all my audio processing is in C so I can get away with some more stuff
Nov 06 19:48:19 <adq> damn I would like to swim in the JNI
Nov 06 19:48:45 <TachyonDev2> i would love to redo the whole app in OpenGL and kick out all the java if possible
Nov 06 19:48:51 <shmooz> I guess regular MediaPlayer doesn't cut it
Nov 06 19:48:54 <adq> yeah I just began (today) to learn openGL
Nov 06 19:48:56 <TachyonDev2> hah no way
Nov 06 19:48:57 <j0hnsm1th> Hi everything is working, but i fail to understand why. my code is: http://pastebin.com/HU12bST5    my question is as im scrolling down the list convertView==null is true for the first visible items on my list, then as i scroll down it changes to true, but then!!! : what holder is loaded on line14 after the call to getTag() ?? I attached the output of logcat aid explanation.
Nov 06 19:48:58 <g00s> ah, someone posted a job for an 'Android Developer (Strong)' … wonder how much i need to be able to squat
Nov 06 19:49:02 <adq> shmooz, totally not :/
Nov 06 19:49:07 <adq> even soundpool is crazy in term of latency
Nov 06 19:49:19 <TachyonDev2> yup
Nov 06 19:49:32 <TachyonDev2> its all because of the hardware, audio buffer layers, and abstraction
Nov 06 19:49:39 <TachyonDev2> i know they guys at google in charge of this stuff though
Nov 06 19:49:44 <TachyonDev2> they are working on it
Nov 06 19:49:50 <adq> i'm sure they do :)
Nov 06 19:49:55 <adq> it's already great what we can do
Nov 06 19:50:12 <shmooz> well there should be an easy way to get these optimized containers precompiled
Nov 06 19:50:20 <j0hnsm1th> ignore previous!
Nov 06 19:50:21 <j0hnsm1th> Hi everything is working, but i fail to understand why. my code is: http://pastebin.com/Rsxf6SWH    my question is as im scrolling down the list convertView==null is true for the first visible items on my list, then as i scroll down it changes to false even though i havent loaded those before, but then!!! : what holder is loaded on line14 after the call to getTag() ?? I attached the output of logcat aid explanation.
Nov 06 19:50:45 <SimonVT> You need to watch the listview talk from google io
Nov 06 19:50:57 <j0hnsm1th> this years io ?
Nov 06 19:51:19 <SimonVT> No, 2010
Nov 06 19:51:22 <adq> tachikoma, nice id lol: id=android-developer
Nov 06 19:51:37 <TachyonDev2> haha
Nov 06 19:51:40 <SimonVT> Short answer: it reuses views
Nov 06 19:51:42 <TachyonDev2> huh
Nov 06 19:51:42 <j0hnsm1th> SimonVT, tx
Nov 06 19:51:45 <TachyonDev2> adq thats not mine
Nov 06 19:51:50 <adq> ooo shit
Nov 06 19:51:55 <TachyonDev2> thats a name piggy back motherfucker
Nov 06 19:51:55 <SimonVT> Long answer: watch listview talk
Nov 06 19:52:08 <TachyonDev2> can you get those people taken down?
Nov 06 19:52:09 <adq> I re-googleplay
Nov 06 19:52:26 <TachyonDev2> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.djtachyon.android.VirtualTurntable
Nov 06 19:52:31 <adq> thx
Nov 06 19:52:42 <adq> indeed looks better :)
Nov 06 19:52:45 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: phone or tablet oriented?
Nov 06 19:52:52 <TachyonDev2> it scales to both
Nov 06 19:53:00 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: nice!
Nov 06 19:53:14 <TachyonDev2> works really nice on Nexus 7
Nov 06 19:53:21 <adq> yeah old new device cannot suffer
Nov 06 19:53:26 <adq> errr s/old//
Nov 06 19:53:33 <shmooz> its looks alright except the first 2 comments complain a little
Nov 06 19:53:40 <TachyonDev2> i dont care about the comments
Nov 06 19:53:46 <TachyonDev2> as long as people keep buying it
Nov 06 19:53:50 <theTerry> for those that care:  ZBarScanner did the trick for QR scanning without having an external apk
Nov 06 19:53:53 <belgianguy> there'll always be whiners I reckon
Nov 06 19:53:54 <TachyonDev2> im subcontracting out some work on the app because i dont have time
Nov 06 19:54:34 <adq> on the pay version i have only good comments.. but on the free, not the same story (despite I written the minimal spec) ppl with device at 384Mhz complain ;(
Nov 06 19:55:01 <adq> I also suspect "the competition" to act non-ethically
Nov 06 19:55:04 <adq> but that's another story.
Nov 06 19:55:04 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: was this a team built app, or solo?
Nov 06 19:55:05 <j0hnsm1th> SimonVT, i thought that may be happening, but how does it explain how 'holder' has the right references to the TextViews ?
Nov 06 19:55:06 <TachyonDev2> yeah thats why i only support hdpi+, 2.3+, and arm7+
Nov 06 19:55:11 <TachyonDev2> i made it myself
Nov 06 19:55:23 <belgianguy> impressive :)
Nov 06 19:55:23 <TachyonDev2> im going to contract out some work now
Nov 06 19:55:24 <klafka> hey with in app purchases if you want to say buy more than 1 quantity of osmething how do  you reflect that in the bundle you send to sendBillingRequest()
Nov 06 19:55:36 <adq> I should restrict it, but since i introduced 22Khz, it works better on old ones
Nov 06 19:55:42 <klafka> do you do so via sending multiple sendBillingRequests ?
Nov 06 19:55:43 <TachyonDev2> ah
Nov 06 19:56:32 <SimonVT> j0hnsm1th: Because you set it on the view
Nov 06 19:56:39 <SimonVT> View#setTag
Nov 06 19:57:34 <karakuri> why does Camera.open() take so long in my app but only takes half a second in the API Demos app?
Nov 06 19:57:43 <shmooz> TachyonDev2: was the equalizer part hard ?
Nov 06 19:58:00 <TachyonDev2> shmooz: I was lazy and used the decoder's eq
Nov 06 19:58:17 <adq> equalizer is damn easy to implement
Nov 06 19:58:18 <j0hnsm1th> SimonVT, damn its not clicking, I'll take your advice and watch the video...
Nov 06 19:58:25 <adq> because all is in the native api
Nov 06 19:58:26 <TachyonDev2> as I said, i was lazy :P
Nov 06 19:58:36 <TachyonDev2> oh the opensl eq?
Nov 06 19:58:54 <shmooz> ok, just wondering cause I'll have to sometime myself
Nov 06 19:59:09 <TachyonDev2> everybody just go learn the NDK and OpenSL, its worth it
Nov 06 19:59:12 <adq> :)
Nov 06 19:59:24 <shmooz> and winamp charges for the equalizer and no ads, so I thought it was the hard part
Nov 06 19:59:28 <SimonVT> j0hnsm1th: You're getting the same object as convertview that you returned from getView at some other position
Nov 06 19:59:31 <SimonVT> Including all its fields
Nov 06 19:59:43 <adq> shmooz, nullsoft (winamp) needs coins :p
Nov 06 19:59:56 <shmooz> vlc player for android is still beta and needs a lot of work still
Nov 06 20:00:07 <vydd> congrats, TachyonDev2
Nov 06 20:00:09 <adq> but maybe they have an advanced equalizer, if you process the sound yourself you might have a better/precise result
Nov 06 20:00:14 <adq> especially in terms of number of bands
Nov 06 20:00:26 <karakuri> also, while opening the camera, it makes my activity pause and resume a few times...
Nov 06 20:00:29 <karakuri> which is weird
Nov 06 20:00:42 <TachyonDev2> vydd: ?
Nov 06 20:00:48 <karakuri> i added logs to the CameraPreview app in API Demos and that doesn't happen there
Nov 06 20:01:03 <TachyonDev2> well the more processing you do, the more latency you get, and the slower the performance
Nov 06 20:01:07 <TachyonDev2> theres always a trade off
Nov 06 20:01:11 <adq> yup :|
Nov 06 20:01:27 <TachyonDev2> could always start doing specific chipset optimizations, NEON, Tegra, etc
Nov 06 20:01:34 <TachyonDev2> but it just gets crazier and crazier
Nov 06 20:01:34 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: is there a tradeoff when going from Android <> NDK code?
Nov 06 20:01:46 <TachyonDev2> Java is slow? :P
Nov 06 20:01:54 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: water is wet :p
Nov 06 20:01:59 <adq> lol
Nov 06 20:01:59 <TachyonDev2> JNI is confusing as shit
Nov 06 20:02:14 <kamoricks> NDK code needs to follow standard cross-platform C practices while also having the top level conform to the JNI spec.
Nov 06 20:02:17 <vydd> TachyonDev2: well, according to your description, your app should be really cool and I guess you put a lot of effort into making it...it was a genuine bravo
Nov 06 20:02:28 <TachyonDev2> vydd: oh thanks man, i appreciate that
Nov 06 20:02:37 <adq> TachyonDev2, do you speak french?
Nov 06 20:02:42 <TachyonDev2> nope
Nov 06 20:02:43 <belgianguy> well, you sure know what you are talking about
Nov 06 20:02:51 <shmooz> what I'm wondering is can you make tranparent during the install the chipset that is compiled with the ndk, so you don't confuse the user by making them find out what chipset they have
Nov 06 20:02:53 <adq> vydd, i want a bravo too :-) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quet.android.audioid
Nov 06 20:03:17 <belgianguy> shmooz: you can build one APK for all different architectures IIRC
Nov 06 20:03:21 <belgianguy> it'll be a bigger APK
Nov 06 20:03:29 <belgianguy> but it'll contain a version for each architecture
Nov 06 20:03:44 <shmooz> oh thats great news
Nov 06 20:03:46 <shmooz> thanks
Nov 06 20:03:48 <adq> ndk is really a big work, but you get rid of all these anoying constraints
Nov 06 20:03:52 <TachyonDev2> yeah you specify the required architectures
Nov 06 20:04:17 <ctate> all these annoying constraints like "can use the entire platform API"  :)
Nov 06 20:04:19 * adq will try to avoid as much as possible the use of ndk
Nov 06 20:04:22 <belgianguy> do know though that not all libraries will run on all platforms
Nov 06 20:04:40 <TachyonDev2> lol
Nov 06 20:04:45 <TachyonDev2> ctate: cheeky
Nov 06 20:04:45 <p_l> NDK requires care and skill. It's like complaining that lightsaber cuts faster than CNC without having the skill to get the same result ;)
Nov 06 20:04:45 <belgianguy> eg some software I wanted to use on my old X10 Mini Pro (ARMv6) would not compile
Nov 06 20:04:55 <vydd> adq: bravo! :D unfortunately, I can't buy the app, because google play does not let people from Serbia do that :|
Nov 06 20:05:00 <adq> huhu nice metaphor p_l
Nov 06 20:05:21 <belgianguy> but NDK built like a breeze for ARMv7
Nov 06 20:05:22 <adq> vydd, sorry to hear that, but i just wanted the "bravo" thx :)
Nov 06 20:05:43 <p_l> I'm much more accepting of NDK, but well... I understand, a bit, how computers work at low level (including things like loaders and FFI)
Nov 06 20:05:56 <p_l> (still got a lot more to learn)
Nov 06 20:06:03 <belgianguy> I just know that C++/C are speed monsters
Nov 06 20:06:11 <belgianguy> when dealing with data that must be processed
Nov 06 20:06:17 <p_l> belgianguy: not necessarily
Nov 06 20:06:22 <adq> yeah it depends
Nov 06 20:06:31 <p_l> also depends on compiler
Nov 06 20:06:32 <kamoricks> Double not necessarily when you don't manage your own memory.
Nov 06 20:06:37 <adq> but C/C++ is often (pre)compiled, this is where it goes fast
Nov 06 20:06:42 <TachyonDev2> yeah java tears down barriers to a lot of people by abstracting all those annoying memory concepts and byte orders and <entire CS concept here)
Nov 06 20:07:02 <p_l> TachyonDev2: Sun Java also has quite fast engine
Nov 06 20:07:07 <belgianguy> free and delete yay
Nov 06 20:07:17 <adq> I saw one day in my life a hardware java accelerated card
Nov 06 20:07:21 <adq> on z/OS..
Nov 06 20:07:24 <adq> it's crazyness
Nov 06 20:07:31 <p_l> adq: those aren't hw accelerators
Nov 06 20:07:38 <kamoricks> They've had lisp machines.
Nov 06 20:07:50 <kamoricks> A hardware implementation of the JVM wouldn't be that strange.
Nov 06 20:07:51 <romainguy> a lot of phones have this: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/jazelle.php
Nov 06 20:08:04 <adq> p_l, i thought because I saw so many chips (and it was like a motherboard, only for java)
Nov 06 20:08:30 <zinx> hmm?
Nov 06 20:08:31 * adq reads
Nov 06 20:08:34 <p_l> adq: there's a license where you load different microcode into a cpu, which then runs only certain products (i.e. JVM), but you pay less for the cpu license for OS
Nov 06 20:08:53 <p_l> and that board you had seen was a cpu ;)
Nov 06 20:08:58 <adq> huhu :)
Nov 06 20:09:05 <TachyonDev2> ctate, romainguy, its a party
Nov 06 20:09:06 <p_l> well, probably several of them
Nov 06 20:09:40 <bobbake4> Does anyone know how the Backup API determines if a backup applies to a given device? I am having an issue where the backup I have saved for my app will not restore to another device. If I go into my google account and look at one of my devices it shows the data from my app but it will not restore this data to my other devices. Any ideas?
Nov 06 20:09:48 <p_l> also iirc z9 and up actually have twice the core count you see, with each core that is visible to OS being two cores in lockstep
Nov 06 20:09:55 <karakuri> .. please, if someone can help me with this camera issue...
Nov 06 20:10:39 <karakuri> is there any reason Camera.open would make the activity go through its lifecycle several times?
Nov 06 20:10:47 <zinx> java is typically slow because the types are dynamic, there is no stack-based object allocation, all non-primitive types must be allocated explicitly (and not via a stack), strings are immutable, and garbage collection adds a lot of memory management overhead
Nov 06 20:11:40 <ESphynx> adq: bonjour =)
Nov 06 20:11:43 <Ge0rG> heh. $user asks via email if I can help him root his device to circumvent the jellybean log-reading "improvement"...
Nov 06 20:11:43 <TachyonDev2> I hope google holds another manhattan event
Nov 06 20:11:44 <romainguy> zinx: modern VMs have pretty much solved the stack-based allocation problem
Nov 06 20:11:48 <TachyonDev2> i was sad it got killed
Nov 06 20:11:51 <romainguy> (not Dalvik unfortunately)
Nov 06 20:11:52 <adq> hi ESphynx :)
Nov 06 20:11:52 <p_l> zinx: java is typically slow because the code is butt ugly
Nov 06 20:12:03 <TachyonDev2> damnit dalvik
Nov 06 20:12:04 <ESphynx> you speak french adq ? :P
Nov 06 20:12:13 <adq> ESphynx, yes but not here
Nov 06 20:12:20 <p_l> zinx: having seen the blazing speed of IntelliJ...
Nov 06 20:12:28 <zinx> romainguy: oh?  hmm does it figure out object lifetime or something?
Nov 06 20:12:34 <adq> ESphynx, you can come to a "francophone" chan on #android-fr :)
Nov 06 20:12:39 <p_l> zinx: escape analysis
Nov 06 20:12:47 <p_l> zinx: anyway, allocation on stack isn't necessarily good
Nov 06 20:12:55 <ESphynx> ah nice adq. is that a dev channel too?
Nov 06 20:13:03 <zinx> p_l: no type of allocation is necessarily good, including none
Nov 06 20:13:04 <adq> more a troll channel :/
Nov 06 20:13:08 <zinx> p_l: it always depends on what you're doing.
Nov 06 20:13:23 <p_l> however, "desktop GCs simply raep the Dalvik one
Nov 06 20:13:36 <zinx> yes, that much is known :)
Nov 06 20:14:00 <zinx> GC is still slower than proper management in most cases, however
Nov 06 20:14:06 <p_l> zinx: untrue
Nov 06 20:14:06 <romainguy> zinx: escape analysis and generational collection
Nov 06 20:14:11 <ctate> yes, it is known that GC is a weakness of dalvik relative to many other VMs
Nov 06 20:14:26 <zinx> p_l: my expectation is that you don't know what proper management is :)
Nov 06 20:15:02 <adq> I will <3 GC when the world will not be frozen when it pops
Nov 06 20:15:11 <zinx> p_l: using new/delete/malloc/free for every object is quite often not proper.
Nov 06 20:15:29 <p_l> zinx: the kind that tends to best top-of-the-line GC tends to look like effect of inline GC in a VM ;)
Nov 06 20:15:45 <ctate> ITYM inline allocation a la alloca()
Nov 06 20:15:46 <p_l> with compiler support
Nov 06 20:16:21 <p_l> ctate: only if you never return till freeing a complete block, which would require writing CPS in C ;)
Nov 06 20:16:39 <ctate> oh i see what you mean
Nov 06 20:16:49 <ctate> really clever alloca operations coalesce so they only
Nov 06 20:16:55 <ctate> "deallocate" at the end of the block
Nov 06 20:17:01 <zinx> p_l: you're speaking of using one algorithm for everything and pitting that against a garbage collector
Nov 06 20:17:04 <ctate> s/operations/implementations/
Nov 06 20:17:05 <ctate> fwiw
Nov 06 20:17:17 <zinx> p_l: i'm speaking of using the correct memory allocation scheme for each thing you do.
Nov 06 20:17:42 <p_l> zinx: actually, I'm planning on working on modular GC for my last year at uni, where you can specify different strategies
Nov 06 20:17:56 <p_l> also, there are GCs like that, but they aren't necessarily popular
Nov 06 20:18:00 <Danguafer> I'm trying to connect, programmatically, to a Shared WEP wifi network, but I'm not being successful. Here's the code I'm using: http://pastebin.com/BWBQkXdW it's working fine if the network is configured as an Open WEP
Nov 06 20:18:09 <Danguafer> can anyone help me with that?
Nov 06 20:18:14 <zinx> p_l: there are many cases that don't /need/ the overhead of garbage collection
Nov 06 20:19:08 <p_l> zinx: have you seen compile-time GC?
Nov 06 20:20:14 <p_l> of course, it requires apropriate language
Nov 06 20:20:24 <zinx> p_l: can't say that i've used it, i assume it just figures out a good allocation/deallocation scheme and puts implicit allocate/deallocate in
Nov 06 20:20:42 <p_l> zinx: to the point of removing allocation/deallocation fully
Nov 06 20:21:03 <zinx> p_l: clearly you don't understand what i'm qualifying as an allocation scheme
Nov 06 20:21:12 <zinx> it's not possible to remove allocation fully :P
Nov 06 20:21:25 <p_l> zinx: well, allocation at *run* time
Nov 06 20:21:45 <zinx> p_l: having a block allocate when the program is loaded by the OS is an allocation scheme.
Nov 06 20:21:50 <DarkGhost`> b00400
Nov 06 20:22:33 <p_l> zinx: anyway, I suspect the real issue is that I slept 5h in last two days, and I really should go to sleep, instead of waxing about stuff I probably agree with you, but can't communicate well ;)
Nov 06 20:23:20 <Danguafer> ;_;
Nov 06 20:23:23 <zinx> p_l: hehehe :)
Nov 06 20:24:14 <ctate> heh
Nov 06 20:24:26 <p_l> (disclaimer: I'm going to have *fun* with GC on the other side of spectrum from Android - i.e. fuckhueg JBoss apps)
Nov 06 20:24:39 <p_l> at least it pays! o/
Nov 06 20:25:48 <shmooz> yeah well when the garbage collector comes around twice a week, thats what you get
Nov 06 20:26:03 <p_l> but my own GC work is going to be for CL - at leat it already got GC hints (dynamic-extent declaration) that are so badly missing from JVM
Nov 06 20:27:31 <tdignan> hey, I made a free cpu monitor app. No ads, no crap. Anyone want to test? http://goo.gl/rF1zp (yes, that's a link to google play)
Nov 06 20:28:22 <tdignan> it has support for multiple CPU cores and if you have a multi-core cpu your cores will be added dynamically to the UI as they are turned on by the power management.
Nov 06 20:28:36 <tdignan> cat /dev/null > /dev/zero to see them
Nov 06 20:28:57 <lov> What's the network permission for
Nov 06 20:29:02 <tdignan> Localytics
Nov 06 20:29:11 <tdignan> disclosure is in the about page of the app
Nov 06 20:29:19 <tdignan> they're a legit startup with no bullshit whatsoever.
Nov 06 20:29:43 <SimonVT> Sounds legit
Nov 06 20:29:47 * lov chances it
Nov 06 20:29:51 <tdignan> it is, founded by MIT grads
Nov 06 20:30:09 <tdignan> i'll screenshot their analytics UI that updates every 5 minutes and... it's free
Nov 06 20:32:54 <kbs> Is there a way to offset a ViewPager so that the entire sequence of pages is shifted to the right by some amount? In effect, I want each page to line up offset to the left edge of the parent container, rather than being flush-left with it. [Without leaving an empty gap -- the space should be filled with the previous page.]
Nov 06 20:33:06 <tdignan> lov, simonvt: http://imgur.com/r3dAW
Nov 06 20:33:10 <tdignan> that's localytics interface
Nov 06 20:33:18 <tdignan> and I integrated it in like 5 minutes
Nov 06 20:33:24 <vydd> tdignan: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwnocsx4sq7mb5m/2012-11-06_21-32-20.png on htc desire c
Nov 06 20:33:27 <tdignan> their docs are actually up to date with the latest version of the sdk
Nov 06 20:33:30 <ctate> IRTA "lolcatytcs"
Nov 06 20:33:48 <tdignan> vydd: the CPU usage spikes up a bit when you start it because of the analytics crap
Nov 06 20:33:53 <tdignan> but it will go down in a sec
Nov 06 20:34:11 <tdignan> I could admittedly do a better job on orientation change (optimizing code)
Nov 06 20:34:20 <tdignan> thanks for confirming it works! :)
Nov 06 20:34:41 <lov> Interesting.
Nov 06 20:34:52 <tdignan> orientation chages are cpu intense
Nov 06 20:35:45 <vydd> tdignan: yeah, I've read the info page already :) np
Nov 06 20:36:15 <tdignan> good man
Nov 06 20:37:06 <Danguafer> can anyone help me with the wifimanager stuff? :(
Nov 06 20:37:17 <lov> probably.
Nov 06 20:37:27 <lov> you've gotta ask questions first
Nov 06 20:37:30 <Danguafer> I'm trying to connect, programmatically, to a Shared WEP wifi network, but I'm not being successful. Here's the code I'm using: http://pastebin.com/BWBQkXdW it's working fine if the network is configured as an Open WEP
Nov 06 20:37:35 <Danguafer> it was already asked :~
Nov 06 20:38:42 <dragorn> Danguafer: are you sure it's shared mode wep? That's almost never used, it's even less secure (ha!) than normal wep
Nov 06 20:38:47 <boooh> i want to see android licensing sample. what sample project do i have to create?
Nov 06 20:38:59 <dragorn> Danguafer: I'm not even sure android supported shared-mode wep
Nov 06 20:39:02 <Danguafer> yes, I'm sure
Nov 06 20:39:08 <lov> boooh: I'm not sure what you mean by "android licensing sample"
Nov 06 20:39:16 <lov> boooh: Android is mostly under Apache 2
Nov 06 20:39:24 <Danguafer> dragorn normal wep = Open auth + WEP encryption?
Nov 06 20:40:03 <boooh> the google library for adding licensing to my app
Nov 06 20:40:11 <dragorn> Danguafer: 99.9% of any "wep" network you see is open wep. Yes, open auth + wep key.  Shared wep is a key exchange w/ a semi-public challenge (which conveniently lets you compared plain and ciphertext, it's really dumb)
Nov 06 20:40:28 <belgianguy> would anyone know how to use listeners/callbacks in the Binding of a Service to an Activity?
Nov 06 20:40:39 <belgianguy> I can call a method in my Service from my Activity
Nov 06 20:40:40 <TachyonDev2> i hate you so much eclipse
Nov 06 20:41:10 <belgianguy> but am looking for a way to make the Service 'update' the Activity (and not through Broadcast)
Nov 06 20:41:13 <TachyonDev2> im doing a full clean with 8 projects, its using 9% cpu
Nov 06 20:41:40 <dragorn> Danguafer: never mind the whole question "why the shit are you using wep", I'm guessing that's a foregone conclusion already
Nov 06 20:41:41 <lov> belgianguy: yeeaaahhh
Nov 06 20:41:52 <lov> belgianguy: it's one of those things that's just not in the documentation for some strange reason.
Nov 06 20:41:56 <TachyonDev2> belgianguy: you can call a method directly when you bind
Nov 06 20:42:09 <lov> belgianguy: if you're using AIDL, it's a bit of a pain.
Nov 06 20:42:18 <Danguafer> my boss asked me to make the mobile connectable programmatically to it
Nov 06 20:42:19 <Danguafer> :<
Nov 06 20:42:21 <lov> If the service is local, you can really just create your own callback mechanisms as if it were any other class.
Nov 06 20:42:22 <TachyonDev2> gah AIDL? wait this is cross process?
Nov 06 20:42:30 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: eek, no!
Nov 06 20:42:50 <belgianguy> just one application, for which I now want to place the networking thread in its own service
Nov 06 20:42:58 <TachyonDev2> yeah dude, when you bind you get a local reference to your service as an object, you can call methods directly, pass interfaces, whatever
Nov 06 20:43:12 <belgianguy> TachyonDev2: 2-way?
Nov 06 20:43:15 <lov> belgianguy: ok, so just have a Collection of ICallbacks which you define yourself, and register on your service or w/e
Nov 06 20:43:32 <TachyonDev2> yeah just callback to it
Nov 06 20:43:34 <lov> bear in mind that when you bind to a service that's in your own application, you're not actually using AIDL or anything, you're getting the actual Service instance
Nov 06 20:43:41 <RustyShackleford> I am getting a NetworkOnMainThread exception even though I have my network code on another thread
Nov 06 20:43:46 <lov> which means that you can pass it actual Activity instances.
Nov 06 20:43:47 <TachyonDev2> what lov said
Nov 06 20:43:51 <lov> RustyShackleford: apparently you do not!
Nov 06 20:43:51 <Danguafer> dragorn the thing is: is it possible?
Nov 06 20:43:55 <Danguafer> if it's, I need to know how
Nov 06 20:44:02 <belgianguy> lov, do you have some documentation on that?
Nov 06 20:44:11 <tdignan> recruiter spam is running strong these days
Nov 06 20:44:21 <TachyonDev2> tdignan: indeed
Nov 06 20:44:21 <RustyShackleford> lov: new Thread(new Runnable() { } ).run();
Nov 06 20:44:23 <tdignan> the market is booming!
Nov 06 20:44:25 <lov> belgianguy: .... no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_(computer_programming)
Nov 06 20:44:29 <RustyShackleford> I also have run() overridden
Nov 06 20:44:33 <SimonVT> RustyShackleford: s/run/start/
Nov 06 20:44:33 <TachyonDev2> lol
Nov 06 20:44:36 <belgianguy> lov: ...
Nov 06 20:44:37 <RustyShackleford> am I missing something?
Nov 06 20:44:39 <lov> gahahaha
Nov 06 20:44:44 <lov> 15:44:43 < SimonVT> RustyShackleford: s/run/start/
Nov 06 20:44:54 <lov> you're running your runnable in the UI thread :>
Nov 06 20:45:07 <TachyonDev2> yeah why dont you stick to ASyncTask
Nov 06 20:45:07 <lov> change run to start and your problem will magically disappear
Nov 06 20:45:20 <lov> belgianguy: seriously.
Nov 06 20:45:28 <lov> belgianguy: treat your service like it were any other object.
Nov 06 20:45:33 <lov> Pretend it's some arbitrary singleton or something
Nov 06 20:45:45 <lov> and write callback registration etc yourself
Nov 06 20:45:55 <RustyShackleford> lov: so I need to override run() but call start()?
Nov 06 20:45:59 <lov> yes.
Nov 06 20:46:10 <lov> start() actually has the Thread run as another thread.
Nov 06 20:46:19 <lov> run() just runs the content of your run method in the current thread.
Nov 06 20:46:21 <TachyonDev2> RustyShackleford: have you tried ASyncTasks?
Nov 06 20:46:24 <RustyShackleford> alright now I just have a NullPointerException to track down. Woohoo, progress
Nov 06 20:46:28 <lov> haha
Nov 06 20:46:47 <lov> RustyShackleford: You may wish to read through http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/concurrency/index.html
Nov 06 20:46:57 <TachyonDev2> heh
Nov 06 20:46:58 <lov> if you're not really used to concurrency and multithreading, especially on java, it can help.
Nov 06 20:47:00 <belgianguy> thou shalt test != null
Nov 06 20:47:30 <tdignan> who's from serbia!?
Nov 06 20:47:31 <tdignan> :)
Nov 06 20:47:38 <dragorn> Danguafer: While there is an enumeration for it in the config, there is no UI to configure it and I don't think it's supported on android.
Nov 06 20:47:53 <voso> Here's an annoying thing: I am trying to let users share an URL using Intent.ACTION_SEND. The share dialog pops up, and all seems ok (e.g. sharing through gMail I get the proper URL in the draft), but sharing through G+ results in G+ cutting the URL parameters off. What gives?
Nov 06 20:47:56 <ctate> tdignan: .... Serbs?
Nov 06 20:47:57 * vydd is from serbia
Nov 06 20:48:04 <ctate> :)
Nov 06 20:48:08 <adq> tdignan, vydd is from Serbia :)
Nov 06 20:48:12 <tdignan> vydd: I know :)
Nov 06 20:48:16 <adq> oops lag :>
Nov 06 20:48:17 <tdignan> I read it on localytics
Nov 06 20:48:33 <dragorn> Danguafer: Shared WEP is idiotically bad and they've said "don't use it" since 2002.  even longer than they've said "don't use wep".
Nov 06 20:48:39 <vydd> tdignan: what am I wearing?
Nov 06 20:48:42 <adq> web is totally vuln
Nov 06 20:48:47 <adq> even without traffic now
Nov 06 20:48:52 <adq> wep*
Nov 06 20:48:56 <adq> :p confusing
Nov 06 20:49:04 <tdignan> vydd: either 4.0.3 or 4.0.4
Nov 06 20:49:07 <lov> Danguafer: dragorn is right. If you're using WEP you should switch over to WPA2 at the very earliest moment possible.
Nov 06 20:49:14 <Danguafer> lol, I know
Nov 06 20:49:17 <lov> WEP should be considered on the same level as not having any protection at all
Nov 06 20:49:29 <dragorn> WEP will fall in about 45 seconds
Nov 06 20:49:33 <tdignan> like using saran wrap as a contraceptive
Nov 06 20:49:39 <lov> it's actually worse because LEO may not believe you if you say "But hackers did it!" because you have a "secure" network.
Nov 06 20:49:44 <Danguafer> but idiotic boss does exist
Nov 06 20:49:46 <Danguafer> :p
Nov 06 20:49:53 <lov> Danguafer: So do other jobs.
Nov 06 20:50:01 <lov> If you're working at a place that uses WEP, you need to gtfo
Nov 06 20:50:02 <dragorn> Danguafer: well, I'm fairly sure android can't do shared wep
Nov 06 20:50:06 <Danguafer> it's well-paid
Nov 06 20:50:06 <Danguafer> :)
Nov 06 20:50:07 <vydd> tdignan: not the os, clothes. maybe you're taking anonymous camera shots as well :D
Nov 06 20:50:08 <lov> it's a great market for developers right now.
Nov 06 20:50:25 <ctate> isn't "WEP" approximately the same as "you have an open network but you don't know it yet"?
Nov 06 20:50:30 <dragorn> ctate: yes
Nov 06 20:50:32 <dragorn> ctate: more or less
Nov 06 20:50:34 <Danguafer> lol
Nov 06 20:50:43 <lov> ctate: basically
Nov 06 20:50:47 <tdignan> vydd: I don't have camera perm :P
Nov 06 20:50:48 <ctate> well then.  :)
Nov 06 20:50:48 <Danguafer> I personally don't use WEP, because I'm aware of it
Nov 06 20:50:50 <adq> probability to have someone who will attempt to find your wep key is still low
Nov 06 20:50:52 <dragorn> ctate: It's, perhaps, a polite "please don't use this".  It's not security, it's against PCI regulations, it's against HIPAA
Nov 06 20:50:53 <adq> hopefully :)
Nov 06 20:50:55 <Danguafer> I've argued with my boss about it
Nov 06 20:51:05 <tdignan> anyone know a subreddit I can spam my app on?
Nov 06 20:51:15 <tdignan> r/android doesn't seem like the place.
Nov 06 20:51:20 <lov> tdignan: no. Please don't spam.
Nov 06 20:51:25 <tdignan> I'm speaking figuratively.
Nov 06 20:51:30 <lov> I know.
Nov 06 20:51:35 <lov> Just the same, they're really annoying threads.
Nov 06 20:51:41 <tdignan> dude it's reddit
Nov 06 20:51:53 <tdignan> if you are upset about my app interrupting you from your daily stream of lolcats
Nov 06 20:51:56 <tdignan> then you have issues
Nov 06 20:52:00 <ctate> ok, violating PCI/HIPAA regs is very much Not To Be Done
Nov 06 20:52:17 <dragorn> ctate: well, if you live in pci/hipaa land anyhow
Nov 06 20:52:18 <lov> lolcats are important.
Nov 06 20:52:22 <Danguafer> gotta make some tests
Nov 06 20:52:25 <Danguafer> thanks for the help, guys
Nov 06 20:52:25 <dragorn> ctate: there's plenty of places who don't, but yeah.
Nov 06 20:52:26 <Danguafer> :)
Nov 06 20:52:28 <adq> only on caturday, lov :)
Nov 06 20:52:33 <lov> every day is caturday
Nov 06 20:52:35 <ctate> dragorn: oh sure
Nov 06 20:52:41 <dragorn> Danguafer: Like I said - there's an enumeration for it, but it doesn't appear to be supported
Nov 06 20:52:46 <tdignan> lov: so I'll post a lolcat, "Lol u haz cpu monitor? I do click link"
Nov 06 20:52:59 <dragorn> ctate: I helped to kill wep in PCI.  I'm very happy about that. :P
Nov 06 20:53:04 <ctate> \o/
Nov 06 20:53:06 <lov> tdignan: acceptable.
Nov 06 20:54:11 <shmooz> I wonder if anyone ported the aircrack-ng suite to android lol
Nov 06 20:54:15 <dragorn> shmooz: yes
Nov 06 20:54:20 <adq> i think so
Nov 06 20:54:23 <shmooz> thought so
Nov 06 20:54:31 <dragorn> shmooz: You need a cm w/ a hacked driver on like 2 models
Nov 06 20:54:33 <adq> also advanced ettercap (c.f. dsploit, really great UX)
Nov 06 20:54:36 <dragorn> I've also basically got kismet working on it
Nov 06 20:54:37 <shmooz> takes under a minute with that
Nov 06 20:54:41 <dragorn> with a usb nic on unrooted
Nov 06 20:55:08 <dragorn> one of these days I'll finish the tx code and see if thomas wants to port aircrack to non-root mode
Nov 06 20:55:36 <adq> you cannot inject without being root, so i will be curious how it can be done :)
Nov 06 20:55:43 <dragorn> adq: sure you can
Nov 06 20:56:00 <dragorn> adq: USB host mode, port the wifi drivers to userspace.
Nov 06 20:56:06 <dragorn> adq: which i've done
Nov 06 20:56:10 <adq> woo ok, i have to update my knowledge
Nov 06 20:56:45 <shmooz> is it as fast as madwifi on linux ?
Nov 06 20:56:51 <dragorn> it's a pain in the ass but once it's done it works fine.  I hope to release the app and code maybe this week.
Nov 06 20:57:04 <dragorn> For basic rfmon + pcap on any ICS+ device with working usb host (many don't)
Nov 06 20:57:08 <adq> dragorn, i had other nick, but longgg time ago I tried to defeat kismet with kind of an advanced-fakeap tools. But then I faced the problem of BSSID timestamp which was detected by kismet :) but it's old
Nov 06 20:57:14 <adq> (when i played with kismet)
Nov 06 20:57:29 <adq> i don't think you can remember that.
Nov 06 20:57:55 <dragorn> shmooz: it's fast enough for 11g monitoring.  I haven't rewritten any 11n drivers.  They'd probably stress it.  The setup code is hugely expensive, once configured, operational code is pretty simple
Nov 06 20:57:59 <tophyr> wow, i just had to share this - i wrote a task last night, and just now re-wrote it because i'd completely forgotten. comparing the result, the two classes are nearly letter-for-letter identical
Nov 06 20:58:16 <adq> lol tophyr
Nov 06 20:58:28 <shmooz> so you can just set the wifi to monitor mode and run wesside-ng or something
Nov 06 20:59:01 <dragorn> shmooz: no.  Well, arguably if you ported wesside to use the userspace drivers.
Nov 06 20:59:13 <dragorn> shmooz: the whole point is to not require a rooted device
Nov 06 20:59:51 <RustyShackleford> so when I run something on another thread, is it possible that following statements on the main thread are executed before the other thread completes?
Nov 06 21:00:08 <RustyShackleford> i think that might be what's causing my NullPointerException
Nov 06 21:00:10 <dragorn> RustyShackleford: yes, unless you block waiting for the thread to end
Nov 06 21:00:19 <dragorn> that's sort of the point of running things on another thread
Nov 06 21:00:25 <dragorn> they happen asynchronously
Nov 06 21:07:20 <voso> Here's an annoying thing: I am trying to let users share an URL using Intent.ACTION_SEND. The share dialog pops up, and all seems ok (e.g. sharing through gMail I get the proper URL in the draft), but sharing through G+ results in G+ cutting the URL parameters off. What gives?
Nov 06 21:07:23 <RustyShackleford> On the new thread, I'm getting an xml file to parse. I need the thread to finish first before I can parse the xml file
Nov 06 21:07:32 <lov> RustyShackleford: .... right.
Nov 06 21:07:36 <RustyShackleford> how do I make the main thread wait?
Nov 06 21:07:40 <lov> Please don't do that.
Nov 06 21:07:50 <lov> Provide some sort of callback when your thread finishes.
Nov 06 21:07:57 <lov> I VERY STRONGLY advise you to use an AsyncTask
Nov 06 21:08:04 <lov> VERY STRONGLY
Nov 06 21:08:22 <belgianguy> main thread waiting = user frustration
Nov 06 21:08:35 <vydd> yeah, use asynctask
Nov 06 21:09:22 <belgianguy> also, I thought callbacks would be easy, but here I am writing weird interfaces
Nov 06 21:09:41 <RustyShackleford> lov: alright I will look into it
Nov 06 21:10:22 <Map> What is the best way to get the number of items in a SyndFeed? Go through an iterator an increment a counter?
Nov 06 21:11:46 <lov> I guess? I don't know what a SyndFeed is.
Nov 06 21:12:44 <Map> Er. It is an interface for all sorts of feeds.
Nov 06 21:14:19 <kamoricks> I have a fragment which has a ton of state. Some, possibly all, of this state changes. How do I destroy and re-create the activity?
Nov 06 21:14:46 <kamoricks> Err. Not activity. Fragment. Want the activity to stay.
Nov 06 21:15:28 <kbs> Map: does that library return a java.util.list for the entries?
Nov 06 21:15:31 <ctate> Never block the main thread.  Period.
Nov 06 21:15:59 <pragma-> are you supposed to just stand there and let it hit you?
Nov 06 21:16:40 <Map> kbs: Yes!
Nov 06 21:17:12 <kbs> Map: the size() method doesn't do it for you? [Though to be honest, I 've always assumed that feeds were essentially an infinite list.]
Nov 06 21:17:49 <relipse> http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=32772.0
Nov 06 21:17:56 <Map> kbs: Nope, that will be fine. I just know neither Java nor Android, so the connection was ill apparent to me. Thank you very much.
Nov 06 21:22:37 <docmur> when I add an icon to my action bar with text, is there a way I can FORCE the text to always show, it will show if I rotate the screen or if I use a table but in my case I want the text there all the time, there is room as I have only 1 icon in the bar
Nov 06 21:23:12 <evancharlton> can't you do always|withText or something?
Nov 06 21:23:23 <docmur> that doesn't seem to force the text to show
Nov 06 21:23:26 <docmur> thats what I'm doing now
Nov 06 21:26:40 <evancharlton> sounds like no, then
Nov 06 21:26:49 <evancharlton> and it sounds like you shouldn't be doing that even if it's possible :)
Nov 06 21:27:28 <docmur> Well the other option is to drop a button in but thats just silly
Nov 06 21:29:06 <doogan> what's wrong w/ just an icon when in handset / portrait
Nov 06 21:29:09 <Sicp> anybody here ever try Shopify.com?
Nov 06 21:46:14 <sNore> hi
Nov 06 21:46:36 <sNore> who's experienced with audio in android?
Nov 06 21:47:18 <belgianguy> so I finally found something, but there's still something wrong
Nov 06 21:47:40 <belgianguy> at one point there's mBoundService.registerListener(this);
Nov 06 21:48:01 <belgianguy> but the this is a ServiceConnection, and not an UpdateListener (eg the Activity)
Nov 06 21:48:02 <adq> sNore, just ask!
Nov 06 21:48:06 <sNore> ok
Nov 06 21:48:13 <belgianguy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7659974/set-a-listener-in-a-service-based-class
Nov 06 21:49:00 <sNore> i encountered a problem when setting the playbackrate in audiotrack, since android 4.0...when changing the playbackrate with setPlaybackRate, i get a clicking noise
Nov 06 21:49:30 <sNore> in android 2.3 it works fine
Nov 06 21:49:49 <belgianguy> nm me, I just had to do MainActivity.this
Nov 06 21:50:02 <belgianguy> btw anyone know what time EST it isN
Nov 06 21:50:12 <sNore> 22.50
Nov 06 21:50:31 <Wavesonics> any tips on getting a Dialog to wrap it's content on Tablets? It seems to have a default width that I can't get smaller than
Nov 06 21:50:35 <belgianguy> it's 22.50 here, too o_O
Nov 06 21:51:07 <belgianguy> I was wondering about the American election outcomes :)
Nov 06 21:51:21 <sNore> seems like i have to use another way, maybe ndk or libgdx
Nov 06 21:51:39 <canadiancow> belgianguy, im sure you could google for "time in est"
Nov 06 21:51:48 <canadiancow> but it's 1651
Nov 06 21:51:54 <sNore> no one can help?
Nov 06 21:51:56 <Codhisattva> belgianguy: wait until morning. nothing positive will be revealed for another 10 hours or so
Nov 06 21:52:03 <adq> it might be your buffer size sNore, if you change the sample rate, you have to adapt your buffer consequently
Nov 06 21:52:11 <belgianguy> canadiancow: true, sorry
Nov 06 21:52:28 <adq> otherwise the clicking can come from the header of your PCM wav, many ppl forgot to remove these few bytes
Nov 06 21:52:31 <belgianguy> Codhisattva: Oh, I know, esp with the Sandy aftermath etc
Nov 06 21:52:37 <adq> and that produces a clicking noise (especially if you are looping it)
Nov 06 21:52:56 <Codhisattva> belgianguy: same with any year really
Nov 06 21:53:13 <adq> sNore, when audiotrack does not follow, you should see a warning in logcat, like "is cpu pegged?"
Nov 06 21:53:20 <adq> many possibilities so
Nov 06 21:53:27 <sNore> adq, yeah but im calculating the next half tone dynamically, with math.pow(2, (1/12))* 44100
Nov 06 21:53:39 <sNore> and setting it as playbackrate
Nov 06 21:54:26 <sNore> i dont get this logs, when playing it, it just sounds crappy
Nov 06 21:54:47 <adq> so it's your sampling, if two points of a signal are too far, it's not smooth
Nov 06 21:55:03 <adq> and that can generate this weird clicking, best would be for you to record the output and see the waveform
Nov 06 21:55:24 <sNore> but on 2.3 it works well
Nov 06 21:55:37 <adq> sNore, another tips, do you have "haptic feedback" enabled
Nov 06 21:55:42 <sNore> and on 4.0 and 4.1.2 it sounds like crap
Nov 06 21:55:56 <sNore> yes
Nov 06 21:55:57 <adq> i had complaint from ppl that when it's enable, it crushes the bass and sometimes break the sampling too
Nov 06 21:55:58 <sNore> why?
Nov 06 21:55:59 <adq> so disable it!
Nov 06 21:56:02 <adq> it might be that :)
Nov 06 21:56:19 <adq> i don't know why yet, because i was not able to reproduce it
Nov 06 21:56:28 <adq> it happens on samsung galaxy S3, if i recall
Nov 06 21:56:29 <sNore> hm okay, i'll try tomorrow in work
Nov 06 21:56:43 <adq> i hope for you it's only that
Nov 06 21:56:55 <sNore> have you ever used the libgdx?
Nov 06 21:56:59 <sNore> me too :)
Nov 06 21:57:02 <sNore> i hope so too
Nov 06 21:57:07 <adq> nop, i'm noob in 3D :p
Nov 06 21:57:22 <sNore> yea me too, but it also have a audio engine
Nov 06 21:57:44 <sNore> maybe, when the haptic thing will not solve it, i'll try the libgdx
Nov 06 21:57:48 <tophyr> who owns HttpURLConnection
Nov 06 21:57:50 <tophyr> i want to stab them
Nov 06 21:58:02 <adq> sNore, please tell us tomorrow if it worked or not :)
Nov 06 21:58:16 <adq> but libgdx is not the solution of the problem, if it is not related to haptic feedback
Nov 06 21:58:31 <sNore> i will avoid it, to use ndk and do c++ stuff
Nov 06 21:59:24 <sNore> with soundpool it works great when setting pitchrate, but the looping in soundpool is crappy
Nov 06 21:59:40 <sNore> get always the gaps
Nov 06 21:59:51 <sNore> when it starts looping from the beginning
Nov 06 22:00:53 <adq> yes i loved the pitch rate of soundpool, but then I hit the latency
Nov 06 22:01:12 <sNore> :)
Nov 06 22:01:18 <sNore> yepp
Nov 06 22:01:38 <adq> sounpool if you don't need to trigger always almost instantly a sound
Nov 06 22:01:44 <adq> soundpool is nice*
Nov 06 22:02:01 <adq> also soundpool is limited in length
Nov 06 22:02:02 <sNore> audiotrack was so great, until i tested it on ics...
Nov 06 22:02:05 <adq> that highly problematic
Nov 06 22:02:22 <adq> sNore, i tested it on 2.3 and 4.0 so no clue on ics :/
Nov 06 22:02:42 <adq> also works on the emulator with intel HAX
Nov 06 22:02:49 <adq> but big glitch from time to time because of GC
Nov 06 22:03:09 <sNore> i tested on galaxy nexus
Nov 06 22:04:44 <sNore> i only have to change the pitch, to get the next halftone in my piano app, but when setting the playbackrate i get these glitches...so it changes the pitch and sample rate
Nov 06 22:04:54 <regedit> i asked this before but lost the link - how can i make a notification with an on/off switch (like the WiFi notification)
Nov 06 22:05:16 <sNore> regedit maybe with toasts?
Nov 06 22:05:26 <regedit> dont think so...
Nov 06 22:05:50 <regedit> i mean a notification in the notification bar/drawer
Nov 06 22:05:54 <sNore> ok
Nov 06 22:06:10 <sNore> hm check out android developers :)
Nov 06 22:06:14 <adq> regedit, you probably have to override something :)
Nov 06 22:07:19 <regedit> there was a link to something like CustomNotification, lost the link...
Nov 06 22:07:21 <g00s> weird, the newest chrome will not let me set 'block all sites from using camera' under prefs/content settings
Nov 06 22:07:39 <g00s> good thing i mostly use FF now anyhow ;)
Nov 06 22:07:45 <sNore> ok, thx 4 help, and good night
Nov 06 22:12:20 <regedit> ah i guess it was this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/notifications.html#CustomNotification
Nov 06 22:12:40 <regedit> the URL looked as if there was an interface called CustomNotification
Nov 06 22:12:54 <regedit> turns out it's by way of RemoteView...
Nov 06 22:18:27 <g00s> bloomberg article on app piracy http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-01/piracy-cuts-into-paid-app-salest
Nov 06 22:18:45 * regedit didn't do it
Nov 06 22:18:50 <regedit> promise
Nov 06 22:19:26 * evancharlton | Piracy Cuts Into Paid App Sales
Nov 06 22:19:28 <evancharlton> No. Way.
Nov 06 22:19:48 <g00s> sounds like evancharlton learned something today ;)
Nov 06 22:20:05 <evancharlton> yeah
Nov 06 22:20:10 <evancharlton> real ground-breaking article, that one
Nov 06 22:20:25 <g00s> i didnt think the piracy rate was so high for apple
Nov 06 22:20:48 <voso> I cant for the life of me share a damn URL from an app to G+. madness.. parameters are chopped off dammit.. anyone had the same issue?
Nov 06 22:20:49 <adq> Page Could Not Be Found
Nov 06 22:21:02 <evancharlton> adq: chop the last t off that URL
Nov 06 22:21:10 <adq> indeed, stoopid me.
Nov 06 22:21:15 <evancharlton> g00s fat-fingered when pasting it
Nov 06 22:21:17 <adq> & thx
Nov 06 22:21:50 <voso> I wish I could solve my URL issue by chopping off the last char as well..
Nov 06 22:21:53 <adq> I send around 100 DMCA requests (almost all satisfied) for one of my apps
Nov 06 22:22:01 <adq> but they pop faster than i can have them removed
Nov 06 22:22:34 <g00s> i give 0 fucks about it; i haven't even checked to see where my app wound up
Nov 06 22:22:57 <adq> but as I said previously, it's really ironic Google don't want to remove infringing content from Google+ (a profile full of post linking to illegal apk sites)
Nov 06 22:23:13 <adq> for probably legislation reaons
Nov 06 22:23:16 <adq> reasons*
Nov 06 22:23:39 <adq> *totally obscure for me*
Nov 06 22:24:05 <ctate> did you report the profile?
Nov 06 22:24:25 <adq> also big deception in LVL, it's a risk if you don't manage the cache well, it takes time to implement and increase the size of app and the workload of the dev, for something which can be broken in few minutes for a skilled reverse engineer
Nov 06 22:24:29 <adq> ctate, yes!!!
Nov 06 22:24:32 <ctate> good, good
Nov 06 22:24:42 <SpeedEvil> doesn't dcma have escalation procedures if not removed?
Nov 06 22:25:23 <adq> ctate, I especially said my app is not the only concerned because this profile is full of link to paid app linked to illegal apk sites
Nov 06 22:25:33 <ctate> anyway, i see no evidence that app copying is any more prevalent on phones than it is on desktops
Nov 06 22:27:29 <adq> ctate, it was in french for this request (so no need for me to paste it), but the infringing abusing profile is this one: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110384821793038141190/posts/dVSLQD5qvg1
Nov 06 22:27:57 <tophyr> ctate: random, but how close are you to whatever team/dev owns HttpURLConnection? it disallows request bodies with DELETE and that makes me want to punch babies
Nov 06 22:28:17 <adq> I know it's a big job, automated or not, it's really hard to fight against, but I was suprised this one was not removed since it's on their own (Google) playground
Nov 06 22:28:44 <adq> I'm already satisfied that on hundred, 95% are ok, the ones not ok are simply because i need to contact specific services (like for youtube or blogger)
Nov 06 22:29:09 <g00s> tophyr: if its a big problem, you can just use the latest apache httpclient (the one coming with android is quite old) and use jarjar to rename the package
Nov 06 22:29:21 <ctate> adq: that's your app, copied?
Nov 06 22:29:41 <adq> they said about this bad G+ profile: Pour le moment, nous avons décidé de ne pas intervenir,
Nov 06 22:29:41 <adq> conformément à nos règles en matière de suppression de contenu. -- meaning "we decided to not do any intervention yet, based on the rules of content removal.."
Nov 06 22:29:57 <adq> ctate, my app is indeed in one of its posts
Nov 06 22:30:00 <canadiancow> tophyr, it "disallows" DELETE? or it just disallows the body of a DELETE?
Nov 06 22:30:05 <tophyr> g00s: yeah, but then i have to convert the whole infrastructure to use HttpClient (or make this one call an aberration)
Nov 06 22:30:12 <tophyr> canadiancow: disallows a request body with delete.
Nov 06 22:30:15 <adq> but maybe legislation protects this evil guy, explaining why Google cannot do anything yet
Nov 06 22:30:32 <tophyr> can't send data to server. only allows sending data on POST + PUT
Nov 06 22:31:57 <canadiancow> what are you sending in the body?
Nov 06 22:32:00 <adq> ctate, I also traced myself these evil bots, when you update your legit app, the version change, if you monitor the web a bit, you will see that at different places, in different languages, suddenly in a relative short time frames (like few hours for all of them), infrigment is similar and i found my app at several places
Nov 06 22:32:06 <adq> meaning correlation is possible, for sure.
Nov 06 22:32:48 <adq> I would be happy to go in war, but I cannot lol
Nov 06 22:33:09 <tophyr> canadiancow: the rest call is designed to allow deletions of arrays of objects; that's the way our website site (its main consumer) evolved doing its RPC, so when they built the rest api, the server team emulated that
Nov 06 22:33:32 <canadiancow> is DELETE supposed to allow a body?
Nov 06 22:33:47 <tophyr> not specified
Nov 06 22:33:59 <tophyr> so it shouldn't disallow one, in my head
Nov 06 22:34:31 <ctate> yeah, the standard doesn't say whether DELETE can or should or mustn't contain a body
Nov 06 22:34:40 <ctate> which de facto means one should be allowed but ignored
Nov 06 22:34:49 <ctate> oh look, crap standards.  :(
Nov 06 22:35:00 <g00s> html5 ftw !
Nov 06 22:35:12 * g00s runs
Nov 06 22:35:27 <tophyr> ctate: so for the meantime obviously i gotta work around this, but who/where should i bug and/or submit to in order to change that?
Nov 06 22:35:29 <ctate> OTOH,  if you supply a body in your DELETE request, you kind of deserve to be flogged
Nov 06 22:35:33 <tophyr> android-contrib? apache?
Nov 06 22:35:34 <ctate> you should fix your code :)
Nov 06 22:35:42 <canadiancow> why is android.R.string.yes "OK" and android.R.string.no "Cancel"
Nov 06 22:35:46 <ctate> file a patch in gerrit?
Nov 06 22:36:18 <tophyr> i don't own our api, unfortunately :) although this particular method does make it nice to bundle up requests, instead of making a dozen different ones (with the overhead that incurs)
Nov 06 22:36:19 <ctate> canadiancow: because .yes and .no are shorter than .affirmative and .negative
Nov 06 22:36:43 <evancharlton> canadiancow: they were originally "Yes" and "No" but then they changed
Nov 06 22:36:52 <evancharlton> can't rename the strings without breaking a public API, so ...
Nov 06 22:37:23 <canadiancow> but "OK" != "Yes"
Nov 06 22:37:48 <tophyr> "OK" also != "Oui"
Nov 06 22:38:09 <ctate> Ouik
Nov 06 22:38:14 <adq> :D
Nov 06 22:38:17 <evancharlton> canadiancow: you don't say
Nov 06 22:38:30 <canadiancow> well i'd say the api is broken right now
Nov 06 22:38:31 <ctate> it's not like we'll call it android.R.strings.ouais
Nov 06 22:38:47 <canadiancow> because there's a field called "no" that is something entirely different
Nov 06 22:39:23 <adq> Based on a frequency analyis over text in buttons, the mapping to R....yes in OK and R...no in Cancel really makes sense.
Nov 06 22:39:42 <evancharlton> canadiancow: high-quality patches welcome
Nov 06 22:39:56 <canadiancow> well now it WOULD break something :P
Nov 06 22:40:00 <kbs> but since there's already R.string.ok and R.string.cancel... it's just confusing :-)
Nov 06 22:40:09 <adq> i agree also kbs
Nov 06 22:40:14 <canadiancow> there is a .ok and .cancel?
Nov 06 22:40:15 <adq> this is why i tend to use my strings.xml
Nov 06 22:40:16 <evancharlton> frankly, none of that crap should have been a public API anyway
Nov 06 22:40:16 <canadiancow> are they OK and Cancel?
Nov 06 22:40:19 <evancharlton> just like with resources
Nov 06 22:40:22 <evancharlton> want it in your app? copy it in
Nov 06 22:40:45 <evancharlton> you don't know that samsung won't remap android.R.string.ok to "YOU GOT IT"
Nov 06 22:40:55 <evancharlton> (unless that's checked by CTS, of course, but still)
Nov 06 22:41:01 <ctate> android.R.string.BOOYEAHBABY
Nov 06 22:41:03 <adq> positive, neutral, negative would have been nice :)
Nov 06 22:41:08 <adq> but a bit long
Nov 06 22:41:17 <adq> (like for dialog method)
Nov 06 22:41:20 <canadiancow> im fine with naming a string "ok", as long as the text is "ok"
Nov 06 22:41:53 <Sculptor> i'm ok with that
Nov 06 22:42:14 <Sculptor> you know what'd be fun: adding maybe button
Nov 06 22:42:20 <ctate> or not
Nov 06 22:42:23 <Sculptor> are you sure that .... etc...? yes/no/maybe
Nov 06 22:42:56 <adq> and why not an infinite numbers of states between the yes and no to celebrate the dawn of quantum
Nov 06 22:42:58 <Sculptor> if the user clicks at maybe, you use a random number to determine what to do
Nov 06 22:42:58 <lasserix> Is there a way to constrain the highlight selector for a listview, ie if I am using padding to offset all sides of the row content, is there a way to make the blue highlight on select only show up in the row content (not in the padding)?
Nov 06 22:43:22 <tophyr> hah
Nov 06 22:43:35 <tophyr> i think i can hack my way around this
Nov 06 22:43:51 <tophyr> probably not gonna want this in the released product, but let's see if this works
Nov 06 22:44:26 <adq> "do you want to suppress all your content" - maybe
Nov 06 22:44:29 <adq> cannot imagine the damage :)
Nov 06 22:44:58 <ctate> "Shall we play a game?"
Nov 06 22:45:08 * canadiancow likes games
Nov 06 22:45:22 <ctate> "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War"
Nov 06 22:45:37 <lasserix> That's easy we all lose.
Nov 06 22:45:39 <adq> joshua !!!
Nov 06 22:45:40 <lasserix> Is there a way to constrain the highlight selector for a listview, ie if I am using padding to offset all sides of the row content, is there a way to make the blue highlight on select only show up in the row content (not in the padding)?
Nov 06 22:45:45 <adq> (tic tac toe power)
Nov 06 22:46:04 <kbs> binary logic is so yesterday, all the cool cats are doing fuzzy logic :-)
Nov 06 22:46:11 <canadiancow> lasserix, dont pad it :\
Nov 06 22:46:14 <canadiancow> it makes stuff so difficult
Nov 06 22:46:22 <adq> true kbs, and even probability chip emerged recently :)
Nov 06 22:46:40 <kbs> adq: is that right? neat -- never heard of it before
Nov 06 22:46:41 <lasserix> candiancow, I want to offset the content though, because I want each row to stand out like a plate.
Nov 06 22:46:51 <adq> kbs, check lyric semiconductor (spondo DARPA :/)
Nov 06 22:46:55 <adq> sponso*
Nov 06 22:46:59 <canadiancow> can you pad the whole lsitview?
Nov 06 22:47:12 <lasserix> the left and right sure, but how do I pad top and bottom of each row?
Nov 06 22:47:15 <adq> kbs, http://www.lyricsemiconductor.com/products.htm
Nov 06 22:47:20 <canadiancow> oh!
Nov 06 22:47:21 <adq> sounds awesome
Nov 06 22:47:45 <adq> lasserix, you pad them in the item of your listview
Nov 06 22:47:48 <canadiancow> what if you didnt use the LV selector, but just had your own background on each row
Nov 06 22:47:49 <lasserix> I guess I could use an odd mod on the positions and just make every other row non selectable and empty
Nov 06 22:48:05 <kbs> adq: aah, for error correction. nice.
Nov 06 22:48:20 <adq> for the concept also :)
Nov 06 22:48:48 <lasserix> canadiancow: yeah I could do that too, well I'll put it on the back burner for now since there is no simple method call ;p
Nov 06 22:49:09 <canadiancow> mListView.doWhatIWant()
Nov 06 23:03:49 <sleepster> I need to create an AVD that matches an *exact* platform (e.g. Samsung SGH-959T, etc.).  Is there a way to create custom AVDs to do this?
Nov 06 23:04:24 <evancharlton> sleepster: not really, no
Nov 06 23:06:18 <ctate> that is terrifying.  why would you need such an exact match?
Nov 06 23:06:55 <Sicp> for making absolutely sure, man!
Nov 06 23:08:21 <SpeedEvil> also, whatmdonyou do about rooted devices that lie
Nov 06 23:09:13 <canadiancow> ctate, because sometimes you get a bugreport that X is broken on device Y :P
Nov 06 23:11:09 <sleepster> canadiancow: exactly :)
Nov 06 23:11:25 <sleepster> I get a bug report on an exact device and so it would be nice to emulate it exactly
Nov 06 23:11:38 <sleepster> instead of buying the device which is 400$+
Nov 06 23:12:16 <salentinux> Hi guys, Does the Google cloud messaging framework require a mandatory receiver declared in the manifest file? cause to speed up the test I tried to set a broadcast reciver in an activity but it's not wokring( intent with  registration_id not received).
Nov 06 23:14:04 <lasserix> How can I get a handle in code to setDivider(android.R.attr.listDivider) ?
Nov 06 23:18:25 <lasserix> How can I set a listview divider in code to the default divider?
Nov 06 23:19:19 <canadiancow> salentinux, quite possibly, but you also need permissions and stuff
Nov 06 23:19:33 <karakuri> ned help with camera still
Nov 06 23:20:39 <evancharlton> salentinux: why would that speed up anything?
Nov 06 23:20:44 <salentinux> canadiancow: I set permissions but it doesn't work. now i'm trying with an explicit receiver defined in the manifest
Nov 06 23:20:50 <karakuri> my camera preview activity (modeled after API Demos) takes a long time to open the camera
Nov 06 23:20:57 <salentinux> evancharlton: just to test if it works
Nov 06 23:21:07 <karakuri> i have debug statements in activity lifecycle callbacks
Nov 06 23:21:17 <canadiancow> i agree with evancharlton though
Nov 06 23:21:31 <karakuri> i see the activity cycling through its callbacks 5 or more times before it finally opens the camera
Nov 06 23:21:40 <karakuri> no idea why
Nov 06 23:24:05 <vydd> karakuri: in what way is your code different from example code?
Nov 06 23:24:57 <karakuri> i have some Views that overlay on top of the camera preview, but those are created before onResume
Nov 06 23:25:03 <karakuri> text, imagebutton, etc
Nov 06 23:26:58 <karakuri> if i remove all those things, it still behaves the same
Nov 06 23:28:51 <vydd> karakuri: and the rest is only the code you copied from examples?
Nov 06 23:29:28 <karakuri> no, there's other code, but it requires user interaction
Nov 06 23:29:43 <karakuri> like clicking the shutter button
Nov 06 23:30:11 <karakuri> so i commented out this line:
Nov 06 23:30:11 <karakuri> setRequestedOrientation(ActivityInfo.SCREEN_ORIENTATION_LANDSCAPE);
Nov 06 23:30:16 <karakuri> and it now loads much faster
Nov 06 23:30:29 <karakuri> only problem is now the preview area is small
Nov 06 23:30:39 <karakuri> and not oriented properly
Nov 06 23:32:40 <Tomasso> how do i make my application to be full screen? by default my activities are smaller than the display size, and components are not placed beyond that size
Nov 06 23:34:33 <vydd> karakuri: could you paste the code somewhere?
Nov 06 23:34:39 <canadiancow> Tomasso, like the status bar?
Nov 06 23:35:10 <Tomasso> canadiancow, yes.. better to be there
Nov 06 23:35:26 <canadiancow> just google for "android hide status bar"
Nov 06 23:35:39 <canadiancow> but dont just arbitrarily hide it. it's nice. and useful. and i hate apps that get rid of it
Nov 06 23:36:40 <karakuri> vydd: not sure, its part of our company's app
Nov 06 23:37:52 <karakuri> so i have a question about using Activity.setRequestedOrientation() versus android:screenOrientation="[foo]"
Nov 06 23:38:20 <karakuri> does the latter one take effect before the activity hits the onCreate callback?
Nov 06 23:38:41 <Tomasso> canadiancow, yes, but the thing is that components are placed into a smaller area, and the layouts dont take the display size advantage
Nov 06 23:39:25 <karakuri> i think Activity.setRequestedOrientation() can cause the activity to be recycled in order to change configuration
Nov 06 23:40:04 <karakuri> so if i am setting it to landscape in code in onCreate(), and onCreate() is called again, maybe thats my problem
Nov 06 23:42:07 <vydd> karakuri: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/declaring-layout.html
Nov 06 23:49:02 <karakuri> vydd: believe me, I know all about that stuff
Nov 06 23:49:11 <gandhijee_> is there a flag that makes android think its running on a phone vs tablet?
Nov 06 23:49:46 <karakuri> problem is the way our app is set up, we use setRequestedOrientation instead of the manifest tag
Nov 06 23:50:29 <g00s> gandhijee_: i suppose you could put a resource which is either phone / tablet depending on the qualifier
Nov 06 23:52:24 <Leeds> gandhijee_: is a Galaxy Note a 'phone' or a 'tablet'?
Nov 06 23:52:41 <Leeds> how about the original 7" Galaxy Tab, which could make calls?
Nov 06 23:54:12 <evancharlton> Leeds: Yes.
Nov 06 23:55:02 <clever> Leeds: maybe its a phablet
Nov 06 23:55:23 <evancharlton> tablerone
Nov 06 23:55:27 <evancharlton> someone photoshop that for me
Nov 06 23:55:37 <Codhisattva> evancharlton: that's awesome
Nov 06 23:56:41 <Wavesonics> got a wierd situtation w\ a scrollview that has a set height, and a text view inside. The scroll view doesn't allow you to scroll to the bottom of the text view
Nov 07 00:07:17 <erkangur> hey guys, If I start my app from launcher icon and press home, after that start my app using widgets button my app starts over.
Nov 07 00:07:18 <g00s> the difference between a tablet and a phone is when you consider the type of tasks appropriate for one and not the other
Nov 07 00:07:28 <erkangur> is there a way to start it where it paused?
Nov 07 00:07:32 <g00s> there is a line, however it is defined
Nov 07 00:07:58 <erkangur> starts over again*  sorry
Nov 07 00:08:46 <calvinchan> hi, does anyone have experience with the following?
Nov 07 00:09:17 <calvinchan> I have a JSON file that contains different attributes for the elements inside a iOS app
Nov 07 00:09:54 <calvinchan> and I would like to create an equivalent android app from that JSOn file
Nov 07 00:10:16 <calvinchan> I figured that I will need to generate my layout at runtime
Nov 07 00:10:48 <calvinchan> so I would need to read from the json file and create all the objects and their corresponding attributes dynamically
Nov 07 00:11:02 <calvinchan> i.e. pure java code, no xml scripting
Nov 07 00:11:22 <calvinchan> although I would need to have an empty xml file for a default empty layout
Nov 07 00:11:57 <calvinchan> any pointers on where I may get started on doing this>'
Nov 07 00:11:59 <calvinchan> ?
Nov 07 00:13:09 <g00s> would it be easier for your build system to slurp the json file and create the xmls for you ?
Nov 07 00:13:28 <g00s> declarative -> declarative seems easier
Nov 07 00:13:47 <TachyonDev2> damnit
Nov 07 00:13:57 <TachyonDev2> the pinball machine at the office has a broken paddle
Nov 07 00:14:46 <g00s> TachyonDev2: well, if ti is made by the same guys who make the voting machines, it probably doesn't matter which paddle you select
Nov 07 00:17:16 <j0p> hello. i can't get haxm emulator to work setting "gpu emulation = on". avd set to api10. i get a black screen. it runs fine with gpu emulation = off..
Nov 07 00:17:21 <j0p> any ideas please ?
Nov 07 00:17:36 <calvinchan> g00s: could you elaborate?
Nov 07 00:18:20 <g00s> a json to xml translator
Nov 07 00:18:28 <g00s> (simplification)
Nov 07 00:19:05 <g00s> but, i dont know enough about your situation
Nov 07 00:19:06 <calvinchan> I've thought about that, it would be easier to work with xml but I haven't found a way to convert JSON to xml yet
Nov 07 00:19:35 <g00s> well, you can probably use json + antlr stringtemplate pretty easily
Nov 07 00:19:44 <g00s> gson, or whetaver its called
Nov 07 00:20:32 <g00s> i mean, you could use antlr to read the json too, but that seems unecessary. but, heh, you could … and it might even be nicer because the solution would be more specfic on where you place the actions on the matching rules
Nov 07 00:21:02 <g00s> stringtemplate is nice to generate code. you could use that to create the xml's
Nov 07 00:21:11 <adq> j0p, I had trouble with gpu emulation on with the x86 emulator
Nov 07 00:21:26 <adq> but HAX does not need gpu emulation on, because it's for audio, iirc
Nov 07 00:21:51 <adq> same symptom as you, gpu emul on + x86 = black screen
Nov 07 00:22:02 <adq> so it's maybe exclusive :/
Nov 07 00:22:28 <j0p> i thought (and read) that gpu emulation is supposed to improve the haxm performance..
Nov 07 00:22:36 <calvinchan> g00s: thanks for the pointers, I will look into it
Nov 07 00:22:47 <j0p> although its quite faster than standard emulator even with emulation off
Nov 07 00:23:11 <adq> yes
Nov 07 00:23:18 <romainguy> j0p: it will improve the rendering speed
Nov 07 00:23:31 <romainguy> (although depending on your GPU and drivers it may or may not work and it may not be faster)
Nov 07 00:24:16 <j0p> i see... so this black screen is a known bug or there's something wrong in my configuration or drivers ?
Nov 07 00:25:23 <romainguy> j0p: you can file a bug at b.android.com
Nov 07 00:25:32 <adq> j0p, no clue but it's not an isolated case, what's your graphic card and os? (when it happened for me, it was an nvidia on windows 7 64bits)
Nov 07 00:25:46 <adq> but yes file a bug :)
Nov 07 00:25:59 <j0p> win7 and geforce gtx570
Nov 07 00:26:06 <j0p> ok thanks:)
Nov 07 00:27:10 <adq> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=28614&q=gpu%20emulation%20black&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars seems one is already filled
Nov 07 00:33:58 <maslen> Why would findViewById() return null for a View which was previously displayed?
Nov 07 00:35:20 <ctate> because something else is going on
Nov 07 00:35:30 <ctate> define "previously"
Nov 07 00:38:09 <maslen> I used setContentView() to display it. Then I called setContentView a second time, with another id. Then I called findViewById()
Nov 07 00:38:51 <ctate> every time you call setContentView(), it throws out all of your layouts & views and replaces them with new ones derived from the layout you specified when calling setContentView()
Nov 07 00:39:20 <g00s> isn't it bad form to call setContentView() multiple times ?
Nov 07 00:39:29 <ctate> well, it's expensive
Nov 07 00:39:59 <ctate> but maybe you want the same activity instance to change to a totally different layout?  maybe?
Nov 07 00:40:01 <ctate> yeah it seems odd
Nov 07 00:40:45 <maslen> it's not my design choice, and outside of my control
Nov 07 00:40:58 <maslen> Research is 'unique'
Nov 07 00:42:26 <g00s> i guess i would just create different fragments and swap them out
Nov 07 00:59:32 <g00s> Ankhwatcher: http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results
Nov 07 01:02:43 <sleepster> does the linux kernel for android support d-bus?
Nov 07 01:02:54 <ron_frown> yes
Nov 07 01:03:08 <ron_frown> its used in bt stuff
Nov 07 01:03:13 <sleepster> I'd like to create a secure communication between the linux kernel layer and the android platform layer
Nov 07 01:03:30 <sleepster> I was thinking of using d-bus
Nov 07 01:03:35 <ron_frown> what sort of communication
Nov 07 01:05:15 <sleepster> I'd like to pass the application platform layer messages regarding the intricate properties of the linux OS such as filesystem, services that are running, etc.
Nov 07 01:05:18 <sleepster> this is purely a research project
Nov 07 01:05:43 <ron_frown> well theres nothing to stop you from doing it
Nov 07 01:05:53 <sleepster> just curious on what ways there are on tightening the security
Nov 07 01:05:56 <ron_frown> bu theres no real reason that I can think of to use that over say just straight jni etc
Nov 07 01:06:14 <ron_frown> I think anything dbus is going to be android-root material
Nov 07 01:06:30 <ron_frown> I dont think its exposed in sdk anything
Nov 07 01:07:02 <adq> sleepster, you might be interested by http://selinuxproject.org/page/SEAndroid
Nov 07 01:07:30 <sleepster> thanks adq . yeah I looked at the new SELinux enhancements coming to the android
Nov 07 01:07:41 <sleepster> I didn't see any IPC enhancements though
Nov 07 01:07:53 <adq> Kernel permission checks controlling Binder IPC
Nov 07 01:07:59 <adq> maybe they are liars :)
Nov 07 01:08:34 <adq> i'm sure you can still hardening your kernel, independantly, like putting grsec or rsbac
Nov 07 01:08:38 <adq> but i never tried on my droid yet
Nov 07 01:08:53 <adq> and lot of things will break, for sure
Nov 07 01:09:54 <sleepster> I am hoping to stay away from IPC mechanisms that are easily available for apps as I am trying to secure a connection away from apps
Nov 07 01:10:14 <sleepster> I can attempt to use sockets and encrypt/decrypt the data, but the problem with that is the performance overhead
Nov 07 01:11:19 <ctate> "I'd like to create a secure communication between the linux kernel layer and the android platform layer"
Nov 07 01:11:28 <ctate> what does "secure" mean in this sentence, exactly?
Nov 07 01:12:23 <adq> maybe, prevent eavesdropping. and in case of eavedrop, cannot do anything with the information?
Nov 07 01:12:25 <ctate> the standard approaches for this with Android are no different from the standard approaches when userspace is not running Android code
Nov 07 01:12:48 <ctate> either ACLS/uid permissions applied to open() / ioctl() etc of the driver, or
Nov 07 01:13:16 <ctate> ACLs/uid permissions applied to a channel provided via a /proc or /sys pseudofile point of interaction
Nov 07 01:14:47 <mdkess> Is there some way to have two indicators with ViewPagerIndicator? I want to have dots (on the bottom) and tabs (on the top), but it seems that only the last indicator gets used when trying to set multiple ones.
Nov 07 01:17:01 <regedit> how do i set notification longevity flags with NotificationCompat.builder
Nov 07 01:17:27 <regedit> for a notification using RemoteViews
Nov 07 01:18:24 <evancharlton> ... longevity?
Nov 07 01:19:10 <regedit> how long it lasts, in my case i want it not to cancel at all
Nov 07 01:20:22 <ctate> do you mean the FLAG_AUTO_CANCEL flag?
Nov 07 01:20:52 <ctate> because that's the setAutoCancel() method on the Builder
Nov 07 01:21:14 <regedit> or is it the FLAG_NO_CANCEL or somesuch
Nov 07 01:22:04 <regedit> point is, the docs help mostly with regular notification, not all details about custom notification
Nov 07 01:22:05 <ctate> by default they must be programmatically cancelled
Nov 07 01:22:11 <ctate> unless you specify auto-cancel
Nov 07 01:22:26 <ctate> eventually it all boils down to a Notification, no?
Nov 07 01:22:40 <regedit> oh, so by default they just stay there indefinitely?
Nov 07 01:23:09 <ctate> yes
Nov 07 01:23:26 <ctate> well, unless explicitly dismissed by the user via swipe gesture in 3.0+
Nov 07 01:23:39 <regedit> to clarify custom notification == i.e. with RemoteViews layout thingy
Nov 07 01:23:45 <ctate> right
Nov 07 01:24:22 <regedit> isnt there a flag for it not to cancel by user swipe or wtvr?
Nov 07 01:24:33 <ctate> not that i'm aware of?
Nov 07 01:24:43 <ctate> maybe if it's an ongoing notification it won't be dismissable
Nov 07 01:24:53 <ctate> (that makes sense, in fact)
Nov 07 01:25:02 <regedit> for example i cant swipe away my wifi notification entry
Nov 07 01:25:19 <regedit> what defines an ongoing
Nov 07 01:25:56 <canadiancow> you set it as ongoing
Nov 07 01:26:31 <canadiancow> foreground services require ongoing notifications, for example
Nov 07 01:28:01 <regedit> ye im making an ongoing service and need to make a persistent notification entry for it (similar to wifi)
Nov 07 01:28:43 <ctate> what canadiancow said -- if you start the service at foreground status, you need to supply a notification anyway
Nov 07 01:29:05 <canadiancow> well if its not foreground, you dont need one, but you can still do it
Nov 07 01:29:24 <regedit> and the default notification wont do, need custom on/off switch in it - again, similar to the wifi thingy
Nov 07 01:29:36 <canadiancow> regedit, http://bit.ly/WxqWYS
Nov 07 01:31:32 <regedit> canadiancow: so old, i remember doing that in like < 2010
Nov 07 01:31:33 <ctate> pretty sure the wifi notification your'e talking about is "ongoing"
Nov 07 01:32:18 <regedit> ok thanks ctate
Nov 07 01:32:45 <g00s> foreground service … technically dont require notification :)
Nov 07 01:33:02 <g00s> although google would like you to
Nov 07 01:33:04 <ctate> don't be evil
Nov 07 01:33:08 <g00s> :D
Nov 07 01:33:32 <ctate> i have compunctions about breaking your app SO HARD if i discover a way you're doing an end run around that requirement
Nov 07 01:33:37 <ctate> have NO compunctions
Nov 07 01:33:43 <regedit> ye i was gonna ask - its not like the app wont compile without it or anything, just mandatory good practice
Nov 07 01:34:02 <g00s> ctate: well i learned the technique from google's own apps; so if you guys can do it, so can i ;
Nov 07 01:34:14 <evancharlton> g00s: what, reflection or something?
Nov 07 01:34:15 <g00s> there are always exceptions
Nov 07 01:34:17 <ctate> they don't often talk to me for fear i will break their apps like a BOSS.
Nov 07 01:34:38 <g00s> evancharlton: no, i think it was simply passing in a null notification object or something
Nov 07 01:34:45 <evancharlton> hm
Nov 07 01:35:39 <ctate> i wonder whether that will continue to "work"
Nov 07 01:35:47 * ctate . o O ( la la la )
Nov 07 01:35:56 <g00s> :)
Nov 07 01:37:14 <evancharlton> g00s: that throws an IllegalArgumentException
Nov 07 01:37:19 <ctate> ==evancharlton
Nov 07 01:39:17 <g00s> hmm, let me see what i did
Nov 07 01:39:45 <lasserix> This is a little general, but it is more efficient to call some method of a view by just doing { ((MenuItem) menu.findItem(R.id.menu_share)).setIcon(mVitalsFragment.mState.ui_share); } rather than { MenuItem icon = (MenuItem) menu.findItem(R.id.menu_share); icon.setIcon(mVitalsFragment.mState.ui_share; } ?
Nov 07 01:40:03 <tophyr> BOOYAH
Nov 07 01:40:10 <lasserix> hoorah!
Nov 07 01:40:11 <JakeWharton> lasserix: no, they're both exactly the same in bytecode
Nov 07 01:40:26 <lasserix> Meaning one does not allocate any less or any more memory?
Nov 07 01:40:27 <tophyr> what was it ctate? android.R.id.BOOYEAHBABY
Nov 07 01:40:34 <lasserix> JakeWharton: thanks!
Nov 07 01:40:37 <ctate> .strings not .id
Nov 07 01:40:44 <tophyr> damn, forgot
Nov 07 01:40:58 <tophyr> got around HttpURLConnection's prejudice against DELETE + request body
Nov 07 01:41:08 <ctate> wooo
Nov 07 01:41:21 <g00s> maybe you say new Notification() w/o initializing anything
Nov 07 01:41:46 <tophyr> https://gist.github.com/4029028
Nov 07 01:41:51 <ctate> g00s:  ah hm
Nov 07 01:41:52 <g00s> and i may have removed that from my code
Nov 07 01:41:58 <tophyr> oooogly.. but it works
Nov 07 01:44:05 <gutano> I'm finding that CountDownTimer keeps my onLongClicks from triggering, anyone have any insight into this? It looks like it makes use of a handler to repeat the ticks, but it's not apparent to me why this is problematic
Nov 07 01:44:42 <gutano> I should note, this is only problematic with shorter delays
Nov 07 01:45:16 <regedit> ctate: wait are you saying that having a notification for a service is an enforced requirement? if yes, enforced how - code-wise?? or review-wise
Nov 07 01:45:25 <ctate> for a *foreground* service
Nov 07 01:45:35 <ctate> i.e. when you use startForeground() rather than just startService()
Nov 07 01:45:52 <ctate> it's enforced in the API; the Notification is an argument to startForeground()
Nov 07 01:46:27 <regedit> ahh..
Nov 07 01:47:00 <g00s> ctate: right, you can say startForeground(0, new Notification())
Nov 07 01:47:03 <g00s> :)
Nov 07 01:47:10 <ctate> i repeat:
Nov 07 01:47:13 <ctate> don't be evil.  :(
Nov 07 01:47:17 <g00s> XD
Nov 07 01:47:53 * alankila idly wonders what that integer argument is really for and what values are allowed
Nov 07 01:48:08 <g00s> ctate: clearly, there are times when a notification is unnecessary but you need to do something shortly in the foreground? like i mentioned, google apps do it also
Nov 07 01:48:12 <alankila> I'd much prefer notificationId = startForeground(notification)
Nov 07 01:48:30 <regedit> im actually alling startService()... how is "foreground" different
Nov 07 01:49:04 <g00s> i dont see why it is evil at all for a few exceptional cases
Nov 07 01:49:17 <g00s> but for most things, of course we should follow the guidelines
Nov 07 01:50:34 <regedit> need to read about what defines foreground service
Nov 07 01:51:18 <ctate> g00s:  google apps transiently call startForeground() with an iconless notification?  really?
Nov 07 01:51:20 <ctate> >:(
Nov 07 01:53:26 <g00s> ctate: you'll learn all sorts of unsavory techniques going through the google apps :D
Nov 07 01:53:41 <ctate> apparently
Nov 07 01:58:35 <canadiancow> g00s, what apps?
Nov 07 01:59:00 <g00s> i looked though the code base back in march, can't remember
Nov 07 01:59:03 <g00s> feb
Nov 07 01:59:26 <g00s> i may have been looking at the froyo apps
Nov 07 01:59:37 <canadiancow> froyo is like over 2 years old
Nov 07 01:59:48 <g00s> thats what i am using :)
Nov 07 02:00:00 <canadiancow> minSdkVersion="17" is where it's at
Nov 07 02:00:17 <g00s> :}|
Nov 07 02:02:04 <treeleaf> hey what are the benefits of targetting the latest sdk?
Nov 07 02:02:27 <treeleaf> ive heard that its a best practice, but what exactly am i gaining from targetting 16 over 15?
Nov 07 02:02:35 <regedit> bragging rights?
Nov 07 02:02:51 <treeleaf> api level i mean
Nov 07 02:03:03 <canadiancow> define "targetting"
Nov 07 02:03:51 <treeleaf> setting the targetSdk attribute in the manifest to 16
Nov 07 02:04:02 <treeleaf> of the uses-sdk element
Nov 07 02:04:02 <canadiancow> in the specific example of 16 vs 15, nothing
Nov 07 02:04:12 <canadiancow> at least i dont think so
Nov 07 02:04:16 <canadiancow> but 13-14 makes a diff
Nov 07 02:04:19 <canadiancow> 10-11
Nov 07 02:04:22 <canadiancow> 3-4
Nov 07 02:04:27 <treeleaf> what happens going from 13-14
Nov 07 02:04:31 <treeleaf> is there a doc somewhere that outlines this?
Nov 07 02:04:38 <canadiancow> you dont get the soft menu button on ICS
Nov 07 02:04:44 <canadiancow> if your target is 14+
Nov 07 02:04:46 <lasserix> I can't tell, but I'm using action bar sherlock. Some of my menu items have style="@sherlock". Some dont, does it make any difference?
Nov 07 02:05:26 <treeleaf> canadiancow, cool i know of that one, and also getting networkonmainthreadexceptions for 11+
Nov 07 02:05:45 <gutano> I don't know any specifics, but it was stated that the system would try to make some assumptions for you when running on "newer" vers than your target
Nov 07 02:06:02 <treeleaf> yeah ive heard that, wish there was more detail around what that means
Nov 07 02:06:24 <gutano> canadiancow's example sounds the most applicable
Nov 07 02:06:59 <gutano> iirc, Hugo said it (thought it was in a vid)
Nov 07 02:07:04 <canadiancow> 14 also turns on hardware acceleration
Nov 07 02:07:08 <gutano> not gonna search ; )
Nov 07 02:07:09 <canadiancow> on devices running 14+
Nov 07 02:07:23 <treeleaf> i just wanna 1) know what the benefits are so that i can justify these changes, and 2) not break anything :)
Nov 07 02:07:25 <treeleaf> oh neat
Nov 07 02:07:35 <canadiancow> 11 hides the soft menu button on either honeycomb devices or xlarge devices (not sure which)
Nov 07 02:07:39 <lasserix> Has anybody been able to import that latest release of action bar sherlock into the eclipse?
Nov 07 02:07:43 <canadiancow> 11 also makes holo your theme
Nov 07 02:09:31 <gutano> treeleaf, the recommendation is to target the highest level you have tested against *shrug*
Nov 07 02:10:07 <canadiancow> target ALL the api levels!
Nov 07 02:20:23 <g00s> minSdk=17 would get me … 0 users now, right ?
Nov 07 02:20:37 <gutano> don't be a wuss, 18
Nov 07 02:21:00 <g00s> hmm, 4.2 is 18 ?
Nov 07 02:21:04 <g00s> fuck it
Nov 07 02:21:13 <gutano> lol, nah 4.2 is 17...
Nov 07 02:24:25 <lasserix> Has anybody been able to import that latest release of action bar sherlock into the eclipse?
Nov 07 02:26:38 <canadiancow> yes lasserix, im sure somebody has
Nov 07 02:27:09 <canadiancow> g00s, i'm considering dropping eclair on my personal app
Nov 07 02:27:23 <canadiancow> and if i had ANY reason at all, i'd drop froyo too
Nov 07 02:27:52 <g00s> yeah, i will probably drop froyo soon too for GB … although i am waiting for the emu to support BT
Nov 07 02:29:37 <ron_frown> g00s do you have reaosn to believe it ever will?
Nov 07 02:29:42 <canadiancow> im hoping once all these 2 year gingerbread contracts expire...
Nov 07 02:29:53 <g00s> ron_frown: yeah, google said it would
Nov 07 02:29:57 <g00s> like, 6 mos ago.
Nov 07 02:30:12 <g00s> canadiancow: new GB phones are still being sold
Nov 07 02:30:23 <canadiancow> yea but i dont think its the majority
Nov 07 02:30:36 <g00s> low end, cheap, pay as you go stuff
Nov 07 02:30:39 <ron_frown> haha they were about 2yr late on making the emu usable
Nov 07 02:30:50 <g00s> 2yr and counting
Nov 07 02:30:53 <ron_frown> and on mac the intel shit is still broke at least on the two mac's I've got
Nov 07 02:31:18 <ron_frown> boot intel rom even after installing haxm and its literally 2x as long to boot as arm
Nov 07 02:31:38 <lasserix> canadiancow: have you?
Nov 07 02:32:26 <canadiancow> yes i've booted the intel rom
Nov 07 02:32:41 <lasserix> *no i mean about latest abs
Nov 07 02:32:52 <g00s> i just learned about the Alcatel Venture from this post http://neatocode.tumblr.com/post/34964277213/low-cost-phones
Nov 07 02:32:57 <g00s> GB but LDPI
Nov 07 02:33:05 <g00s> author claims ABS was OOMing
Nov 07 02:33:18 <g00s> LDPI … 16 mb heap? can't remember
Nov 07 02:34:34 <canadiancow> millibits!
Nov 07 02:34:41 <lasserix> what's the smallest android device, like something I can hook to the top of my running shoe and not notice?
Nov 07 02:34:42 <g00s> heh
Nov 07 02:34:54 <canadiancow> lasserix, the latest CDD requires 320dp wide i think
Nov 07 02:34:55 <g00s> some sort of android watch
Nov 07 02:35:08 <lasserix> they are gps enabled?
Nov 07 02:36:10 <lasserix> hmm cool thanks goos
Nov 07 02:37:19 <g00s> lasserix: np
Nov 07 02:39:14 <lasserix> Anyone know how to easily control the dimensions of the list view selected highlight? Ie, if I want to "pad" the rows top/bottom/left/right but only want the select highlight to be within the "padding", is there an easy way to do this? (if I put padding on listview itself, all i can get is left/right)
Nov 07 02:40:36 <lasserix> http://blog.diy.org/post/34242187361/every-surface-inside-the-top-floor-of-the-russian
Nov 07 02:43:17 <g00s> behold, someone created a Mobius strip of bacon
Nov 07 02:44:33 <lasserix> does that mean, once eaten it forever digests?
Nov 07 02:44:44 <maslen> That sounds slightly parasitic
Nov 07 02:45:00 <Leeds> means it's always crispy-side-up
Nov 07 02:48:28 <Tyrope> [newbie alert] If I create a button with android:id="@+id/foobar" in the XML, how do I later find that ID in my code?
Nov 07 02:49:22 <gutano> findViewById(R.id.foobar)
Nov 07 02:49:31 <gutano> cast it to a button
Nov 07 02:49:34 <Tyrope> that simple huh. awesome.
Nov 07 02:50:13 <gutano> there are details about where it is used/etc... but I'll leave that for later : )
Nov 07 02:50:16 <Tyrope> I have several buttons caling the same function, is it safe to compare "view.getID() == findViewById(R.id.foobar)"
Nov 07 02:50:30 <Leeds> Tyrope: you might find it's worth working through the tutorial stuff on d.android.com
Nov 07 02:50:48 <Tyrope> Leeds: much appreciated.
Nov 07 02:51:11 <gutano> it would be view.getId() == R.id.foobar
Nov 07 02:51:29 <Tyrope> Wait, those I did walk through... am I that oblivious to things? I guess that's what I get for working on  way-past-midnight oil.
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