**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 09 02:59:58 2012
Nov 09 03:07:55 <iToast> test
Nov 09 03:08:06 <ctate> it worked
Nov 09 03:10:29 <mactec> hi
Nov 09 03:11:29 <iToast> hey...
Nov 09 03:11:37 <iToast> Has anyone ported apache to android...?
Nov 09 03:11:44 <pragma-> ctate: you don't even know what exactly he's testing for!
Nov 09 03:11:47 <iToast> I think ngnx was ported...
Nov 09 03:12:03 <ctate> pragma-: usually it's for nick registration => can talk here
Nov 09 03:12:13 <pragma-> test
Nov 09 03:12:23 <iToast> ctate,
Nov 09 03:12:35 <iToast> Anony port a HTTP daemon to Android yet?
Nov 09 03:12:40 <iToast> I might re-use my tablet
Nov 09 03:12:44 <ctate> pragma-: yours worked too.  i think you are testing whether you're being a git.  :)
Nov 09 03:12:52 <ctate> iToast: no clue
Nov 09 03:12:53 * pragma- smiles happily.
Nov 09 03:12:58 <iToast> ffffuuuu
Nov 09 03:13:00 <iToast> >_>
Nov 09 03:13:16 <ctate> shouldn't be hard to port pretty much any simple http server
Nov 09 03:13:37 <iToast> I renember when I first tried to develop for android, all I did is make a window and add a title XD
Nov 09 03:26:26 <sleepster> is there a way to do real-time file system filtering?
Nov 09 03:26:45 <sleepster> I'd like to get events when files are opened, closed, deleted, etc.
Nov 09 03:27:33 <Leeds> sleepster: FileObserver
Nov 09 03:27:46 <sleepster> thanks.. what's that?
Nov 09 03:27:55 <sleepster> oh nevermind
Nov 09 03:27:57 <sleepster> found it on google
Nov 09 03:29:06 <Leeds> ITYM "found it in the Android docs"
Nov 09 03:30:48 <sleepster> correct.. well google found it in the Android docs and returned it to me
Nov 09 03:30:50 <sleepster> what a good boy
Nov 09 03:31:05 <g00s> oh cool, i never saw that. java 7 has that built into nio.2
Nov 09 03:32:40 <g00s> iToast: not an http server, but maybe vert.x could be helpful to you
Nov 09 03:32:54 <iToast> ;o
Nov 09 03:36:53 <AlexZan> anyone have experince with google plugin for eclipse and Android and working with app engine services?
Nov 09 03:37:10 <AlexZan> too many ands sorry lol
Nov 09 03:40:58 <culero2> REGISTER
Nov 09 03:41:04 <culero2> oops sorry
Nov 09 03:41:51 <culero2> REGISTER culero2
Nov 09 03:42:01 <culero2> man im a noob im having trouble
Nov 09 03:42:21 <culero2> i want to get into android-root but cant
Nov 09 03:52:15 <napster> I'm trying to make some changes to the ViewPager class from the support library as per this thread : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12276846/one-side-viewpager-swiping-only How can I provide my own adapter here?
Nov 09 03:55:42 <g00s> google says this newest chrome is 26% faster than the previous one; but i have 7 tabs up and its taking 600mb
Nov 09 03:56:35 <napster> Is it really a bad thing to move code from the support lib to a package called "android.support.v4.view" in my own project ?
Nov 09 03:56:50 <tophyr> g00s: well, they didn't say it was 26% smaller ;)
Nov 09 03:57:19 <g00s> :)
Nov 09 03:57:59 <tophyr> napster: what do you mean add your own adapter? that doesn't look like it alters anything about the adapter
Nov 09 03:58:09 <tophyr> and, i'd rename your custom class to your own package name
Nov 09 03:58:33 <tophyr> unless you can't because of package privacy
Nov 09 03:58:52 <napster> some of the methods are not visible if I change the package name
Nov 09 04:00:46 <tophyr> napster: gotcha
Nov 09 04:00:58 <tophyr> yeah just make sure theres no name conflicts really
Nov 09 04:02:08 <napster> hmm, what I'm trying to do is add a couple of lines to the ViewPager code
Nov 09 04:02:27 <napster> what should be the simplest way to do it? tophyr ^^
Nov 09 04:03:12 <tophyr> make a local pkg of same name, inherit ViewPager, extend the method you wanna change
Nov 09 04:04:38 <napster> let me try that tophyr
Nov 09 04:07:56 <napster> tophyr: "extend the method you wanna change..." You mean override the performDrag() method?
Nov 09 04:09:25 <napster> That is the method I want to change. Although, it is a private method. So this might not work in this case tophyr
Nov 09 04:10:13 <tophyr> napster: correct
Nov 09 04:10:14 <tophyr> ah
Nov 09 04:10:19 <tophyr> yeah boned then
Nov 09 04:10:35 <tophyr> copy whole viewpager.java into CustomViewPager.java?
Nov 09 04:10:56 <napster> and keep the package name unchanged?
Nov 09 04:11:58 <kevinb> another approach would be to copy ViewPager keeping the same package and class name, but making that method public. Then make your CustomViewPager in a different package and override it. Then if you're updating the support lib you just have to make that one change of making the method public (and then testing)
Nov 09 04:12:25 <kevinb> whereas if you copy it's source to CustomViewPager you'll likely have a harder time incorporating any future changes
Nov 09 04:12:59 <napster> ok
Nov 09 04:14:35 <napster> kevinb: tophyr : If I keep the same class name and package name, then which one of the ViewPager code will be picked up for building? The one in the support-lib.jar or the one my project?
Nov 09 04:14:36 <factory80> im trying to add audio to my activity
Nov 09 04:14:47 <factory80> i put my audio file in a folder i called raw
Nov 09 04:15:01 <factory80> i have an error saying raw cannot be resolved or is not a field in my java page for this line
Nov 09 04:15:07 <factory80>  mpSong = MediaPlayer.create(this, R.raw.audio);
Nov 09 04:15:19 <factory80> is there something i have to do?
Nov 09 04:15:28 <kevinb> napster: hrm i guess you'd have to copy all of the support lib over if keeping the class name.
Nov 09 04:16:11 <napster> kevinb: and remove the support-lib from build path?
Nov 09 04:16:15 <kevinb> yes
Nov 09 04:16:29 <napster> ok
Nov 09 04:16:44 <napster> this is going to be hard
Nov 09 04:17:19 <kevinb> then you can try using the same package name but a different class name. i believe that should work
Nov 09 04:18:16 <napster> "whereas if you copy it's source to CustomViewPager you'll likely have a harder time incorporating any future changes" :)
Nov 09 04:18:53 <kevinb> yes :P. if you only do the one change of private to public there, then have a separate class that extends that it won't be so bad
Nov 09 04:19:23 <kevinb> like you have PublicViewPager with just the one line change, then you have CustomViewPager in your own package that overrides that method
Nov 09 04:19:42 <napster> ok lets see how it goes
Nov 09 04:19:44 <kevinb> then any future changes you just copy into PublicViewPager, change the class name, and change the private to public
Nov 09 04:21:20 <tophyr> yeek. i smell a nightmare coming. what's the SO link again?
Nov 09 04:21:40 <tophyr> is there any way you can accomplish this by overriding a protected method instead?
Nov 09 04:21:46 <napster> tophyr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12276846/one-side-viewpager-swiping-only
Nov 09 04:22:49 <napster> Actually the whole point is to restrict the view pager swipe-able in one direction
Nov 09 04:23:14 <napster> this seemed to be the correct solution, even if not easy
Nov 09 04:28:35 <lasserix> Retrieving 5 ints from a shared preferences is not a lengthy operation correct? I want to make an app widget customizable, which I'm imaging I do by setting various parameters of textviews via remote views in onUpdate, which I'm assuming I access via shared preferences set from configuration activity?
Nov 09 04:29:26 <mtx_init> Hey everybody.  Can somebody help me find the file that defines the color settings for the jelly bean notifications pull down?
Nov 09 04:49:20 <napster> tophyr: kevinb Another question : Is it possible to change the code and rebuild the entire support library?
Nov 09 04:49:54 <kevinb> as a jar you mean? yes, though i haven't done it
Nov 09 04:50:21 <kevinb> i'd say just copying the full sources into your project would be easier
Nov 09 04:51:44 <napster> kevinb: But how to copy the full source. I tried to copy all the folders named 'android' from "android-sdk/extras/android/support/v4/src/"
Nov 09 04:52:02 <napster> it ends up in a number of errors in those files
Nov 09 04:53:01 <kevinb> oh the directory structure is a bit weird because they have the "java" and "honeycomb" subdirectories
Nov 09 04:53:29 <napster> I see
Nov 09 04:53:40 <napster> kevinb: so I need "android" from both of these and merge them together?
Nov 09 04:54:21 <kevinb> i think so, merge together java/android/support... and all the platform names/android/support...
Nov 09 04:54:40 <napster> ok
Nov 09 04:56:28 <napster> kevinb: no the package names in files starts with "android.*" So those folders named 'android' should be merged together right?
Nov 09 04:57:15 <kevinb> yeah, include the "android" dir, i was just clarify android/support as if you find any sources in other directories you don't need/want those
Nov 09 04:58:03 <kevinb> for one of my projects i only need NavUtils, and I only target API 14+, so I just have a package android.support.v4.app with two files in it, NavUtils and NavUtilsJB
Nov 09 04:58:33 <napster> got it
Nov 09 04:59:34 <ESphynx> Which one would you guys vote for? :P  http://ecere.com/tmp/chateauEcere.png -- http://ecere.com/tmp/labelv3.png -- http://ecere.com/tmp/labelv5.png -- http://ecere.com/tmp/labelv6.png -- http://ecere.com/tmp/labelv7.png
Nov 09 05:00:38 <ESphynx> oops wrong channe :P
Nov 09 05:02:26 <napster> kevinb: Ok in your case you just have 2 files. So which version of these two files will be picked up by your project?
Nov 09 05:02:55 <kevinb> i'm not using the support lib there, and the files have the different names
Nov 09 05:03:03 <jfpoole> ESphynx: Nice wine labels.  You and my Dad should collaborate.
Nov 09 05:03:05 <napster> ok
Nov 09 05:05:55 <lasserix> ESphynx labelv6
Nov 09 05:06:45 <lasserix> 5 - 7 6 is most consistent and cleanest
Nov 09 05:07:16 <lasserix> depends if you want to project wine itself (6) or wine lifestyle (7/8)
Nov 09 05:07:27 <lasserix> (5/7 i mean)
Nov 09 05:09:53 <Looney> why kitty
Nov 09 05:14:03 <ESphynx> thanks lasserix hehe
Nov 09 05:14:14 <ESphynx> jfpoole thanks mah hehe. my first attempt at making wine :P
Nov 09 05:14:26 <lasserix> how many bottles?
Nov 09 05:14:30 <ESphynx> it's all local features :P
Nov 09 05:14:35 <ESphynx> lasserix about 10L =)
Nov 09 05:14:40 <ESphynx> let me put the glass pic :)
Nov 09 05:14:54 <ESphynx>  http://ecere.com/tmp/PB086746.JPG
Nov 09 05:14:54 <lasserix> ahh cool that's always fun
Nov 09 05:15:05 <ESphynx>  http://ecere.com/tmp/PA166737s.jpg -- the grapes =)
Nov 09 05:15:12 <jfpoole> ESphynx: Nice!
Nov 09 05:15:17 <ESphynx> from my backyard hehe... those in the pics :)
Nov 09 05:15:26 <jfpoole> ESphynx: My Dad's been doing it for 20-30 years.  He puts his dog on the labels.
Nov 09 05:15:32 <ESphynx> haha nice
Nov 09 05:15:56 <lasserix> How do you bottle them?
Nov 09 05:16:14 <lasserix> from what i remember the machine was huge but it was doing like 10k cases
Nov 09 05:17:23 <lasserix> nm
Nov 09 05:17:27 <ESphynx> lasserix hmm, I'm just gonna put the wine into the bottle? :P
Nov 09 05:17:48 <ESphynx> I redid the bevel on v5 :P
Nov 09 05:17:53 <Looney> does xml pullparser read line by line or tag by tag
Nov 09 05:18:13 <lasserix> oh there is some technique since you don't want excess air or oxidization
Nov 09 05:18:48 <lasserix> but itlooks like there are arm grease powered corkers
Nov 09 05:18:53 <ESphynx> lasserix well you avoid contact with air as much as possible :)
Nov 09 05:19:05 <ESphynx> I have a big corker machine here
Nov 09 05:19:07 <ESphynx> I have yet to try it :P
Nov 09 05:19:08 <lasserix> oh cool
Nov 09 05:19:14 <ESphynx> it's just manual thing though
Nov 09 05:19:18 <ESphynx> not powered
Nov 09 05:22:21 <mrenouf|away> Looney, element by element, xml is not defined by lines
Nov 09 05:24:17 <Looney> thanx mrenouf
Nov 09 05:26:49 <lasserix> ESphynx although if its for your familymembers you should take that pictureof thegraps and kid and turn that intoyourlabel :)
Nov 09 05:27:32 <brickhead> Hey Guys I've linear layout which looks white on newer phones and black on older once
Nov 09 05:27:54 <brickhead> how do I make it use ActionBarSherlock Light theme
Nov 09 05:28:19 <ESphynx> hehehe
Nov 09 05:29:16 <lasserix> brickhead are you setting theme to Sherlock.Light or some theme thatuses that as parent inyour manifest?
Nov 09 05:42:33 <Looney> what could be the reason that getName of my xmlpullparser instance does not work inside if condition
Nov 09 05:50:27 <Looney> http://pastie.org/5349588
Nov 09 05:55:42 <sampullman> Looney: i've never used xmlparser, but if xpp.nextText() changes the state of the parser, that could cause getName to behave differently
Nov 09 05:56:11 <Looney> hmm, could be the reason
Nov 09 05:56:19 <Looney> lemme check
Nov 09 05:58:34 <Looney> commenting it out did no good  :-(
Nov 09 06:24:03 <napster> kevinb: tophyr Thanks a lot mates. I finally made it work :)
Nov 09 06:44:19 <brickhead> Hey Guys, this is a rather basic question on styles and attributes, I'm using listPreferredItemPaddingLeft attr in my xml
Nov 09 06:44:41 <brickhead> but for backward compatibility I've to get it from ActionBarSherlockk
Nov 09 06:44:50 <brickhead> so how do we inherit attributes in xml ?
Nov 09 06:48:32 <maxlamer> brickhead, <style name="mystyle" parent="@android:style/.........
Nov 09 06:49:16 <brickhead> maxlamer: Hey I've done that but how does this syntax changes         android:background="?android:attr/dividerHorizontal"
Nov 09 06:55:00 <maxlamer> brickhead, what you pasted is not inheritance, that's setting an attribute in xml that is defined in xml/attr.xml
Nov 09 06:55:19 <tophyr> napster: good on ya
Nov 09 06:55:30 <napster> :)
Nov 09 06:56:13 <brickhead> maxlamer: sorry,  here the padding is pointing to    android:paddingLeft="?android:attr/listPreferredItemPaddingLeft"
Nov 09 06:56:17 <tophyr> brickhead: if you need to take the style from ABS then you need an ABS namespace in your xml
Nov 09 06:56:49 <brickhead> tophyr: right, how do I do that, I mean the syntax for it,
Nov 09 06:56:57 <tophyr> lookin it up for ya now :)
Nov 09 06:57:01 <tophyr> i've got one somewhere
Nov 09 06:58:21 <tophyr> or, crap, used to
Nov 09 06:59:05 <tophyr> here we go
Nov 09 06:59:43 <tophyr> xmlns:abs="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/<abs package name>"
Nov 09 07:00:01 <tophyr> then you would do android:paddingLeft="?abs:attr/whatever"
Nov 09 07:00:04 <brickhead> tophyr: cool, will try it out
Nov 09 07:05:56 <pboos> SurfaceView question: is it possible to draw only a part of the surface view and have the other part be transparent? like extend a view, inside have a surfaceview, let it think it is bigger, but then only draw a specific part.
Nov 09 07:32:37 <pboos> so. got it working :) just do some layouting measure magic to tricking the surfaceview :D
Nov 09 07:35:18 <ali__> is there a way to change the theme used when showing a context menu?
Nov 09 07:47:33 <RazielZ> after I use dex2jar I have to use a decompiler on the jar, right?
Nov 09 07:47:39 <RazielZ> To get my java files and all that.
Nov 09 07:50:16 <g00s> lol
Nov 09 07:50:24 <g00s> RazielZ: you're never getting your java files back :P
Nov 09 07:51:05 <RazielZ> I already did.
Nov 09 07:51:08 <RazielZ> All the names are fine
Nov 09 07:51:11 <RazielZ> And everything
Nov 09 07:51:46 <RazielZ> hmmmmmmm
Nov 09 07:52:13 <RazielZ> well, mostly.
Nov 09 07:55:59 <phasip> I am using SharedPreferences to store user defined settings, should I save the preferences after each change, or when eg onPause is called?
Nov 09 07:59:57 <kamoricks> phasip: There's a lot of cases where you could save it until later, but saving immediately will save confusing issues when it's not one of those cases.
Nov 09 08:03:25 <phasip> kamoricks: allright, I will save instantly.. won't affect the user i guess.
Nov 09 08:07:53 <speakingcode> hey
Nov 09 08:10:27 <phasip> ho
Nov 09 08:11:20 <Immatix> I seem to be having a problem with an alarm in my app. Is it normal for an alarm to become unregistered somehow even if the device isn't rebooted?
Nov 09 08:11:58 <Immatix> I haven't received any crash reports, but on some devices, it just stops working after like a day or so
Nov 09 08:12:11 <Immatix> mainly devices with little RAM
Nov 09 08:14:36 <Immatix> as of now I've decided the only solution is to have the server poke the app with a push notification if the app stops updating for a certain amount of time
Nov 09 08:22:36 <alex_PP> Immatix, what's the app?
Nov 09 08:23:26 <alex_PP> why not reset the alarm in an activity? is the user's not using the app, then why update
Nov 09 08:23:38 <alex_PP> or, use CMS for updates
Nov 09 08:25:03 <Immatix> alex_PP: The app requires the user's coarse location to be updated periodically at an interval set by the user, so there's an AlarmManager for that. The user normally doesn't really interact with the app though, it's for notifications
Nov 09 08:28:42 <serrghi> Hi guys, im having a problem with tablelayout. I have 4 rows, and in one of the rows has more content than the others which in turn makes that particular row higher. How can i make it so all rows in the tablelayout matches the tallest row, in regards to height?
Nov 09 08:37:46 <tneva82> inflater.inflate(R.menu.basemenu, menu); inflater is menuinflater. I have res/menu folder created. Why it complaisn about R.menu part? Complains menu cannot be resolved or is not a field.
Nov 09 08:44:53 <Tee_Pee> aloha
Nov 09 08:45:17 <[deXter]> Guten tag
Nov 09 08:45:33 <baptistem> o/
Nov 09 08:45:47 <timroes> [deXter]: hello :)
Nov 09 08:46:03 <[deXter]> \o
Nov 09 08:49:30 <Tee_Pee> So... is there a way to run a method in a fragment each time that fragment gets drawn on the screen? onStart and onResume don't cut it, as adjacent fragments in the pager won't trigger those functions
Nov 09 08:49:53 <Tee_Pee> It's essentially that I got a value in each fragment which I want to reset whenever the user swipes away from it
Nov 09 08:53:29 <PsychoX75> guys.... i'm on http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html following the tutorial.  Now is the time to add public void sendMessage(View view) {
Nov 09 08:55:15 <PsychoX75> They say you can open the MainActivity 'class'.
Nov 09 08:55:20 <PsychoX75> Not sure where they mean.
Nov 09 08:55:35 <PsychoX75> (guess u're all asleep at these hours, heh?)
Nov 09 08:55:58 <lasserix> src->yourpackage->mainactivity.class
Nov 09 08:56:05 <Tee_Pee> the mainactivity class is your MainActivity.java file.
Nov 09 08:56:17 <lasserix> double click on that in the package explorer usually on the left side of the eclipse
Nov 09 08:56:32 <timroes> PsychoX75: asleep? 10am here :)
Nov 09 08:56:38 <PsychoX75> oh
Nov 09 08:57:29 <PsychoX75> strange... i double click activity_main.xml.   All i get is the same editor i've been working in.... with things like <linearlayout...  etc
Nov 09 08:57:38 <lasserix> that is the layout declaration
Nov 09 08:57:42 <lasserix> you want the java code
Nov 09 08:57:42 <PsychoX75> is that what they mean with main activity 'class' ?
Nov 09 08:57:46 <lasserix> no
Nov 09 08:57:47 <PsychoX75> exactly
Nov 09 08:57:54 <timroes> Take care you are under `src` folder and not under `res`
Nov 09 08:58:09 <tneva82> inflater.inflate(R.menu.basemenu, menu); inflater is menuinflater. I have res/menu folder created. Why it complaisn about R.menu part? Complains menu cannot be resolved or is not a field.
Nov 09 08:58:24 <lasserix> navigate like this YourProject->src->package.name->MainActivity.class you are in YourProject->res->layout
Nov 09 08:58:45 <lasserix> tneva82 are you using abs?
Nov 09 08:58:45 <PsychoX75> ah
Nov 09 08:58:49 <PsychoX75> i'm in src now
Nov 09 08:59:01 <timroes> tneva82: either your res/menu folder is empty (so no R.menu will be created), or you havent recompiled since you created yoru menu files
Nov 09 08:59:27 <timroes> or you have import a wrong R file (what is i guess the most unlikely)
Nov 09 08:59:36 <PsychoX75> found it.... woohoo!   "I know kung fu!"  thanks.
Nov 09 09:01:15 <Tee_Pee> tneva82 - if you're using ActionBarSherlock chances are you have the wrong Menu class imported... import then ABS one, not the Android one.
Nov 09 09:01:37 <lasserix> also make sure you are using getSupportMenuInflater if using ABS
Nov 09 09:02:14 <PsychoX75> hey! This is what Java looks like, heh? (i'm in Eclipse).  Finally i found Java.  ^^
Nov 09 09:02:40 <tneva82> actionbarsherlock?
Nov 09 09:02:48 <lasserix> si
Nov 09 09:02:51 <tneva82> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#options-menu <- I'm following that one
Nov 09 09:03:05 <timroes> PsychoX75: yeah thats what it looks like a lot of { and } and [ and ] and < and >, just if you have a lot of * and & you are most surly in a c++ project
Nov 09 09:03:06 <Tee_Pee> PsychoX75 - I'd strongly advise to first look up some general Java programming tutorials before diving into Android
Nov 09 09:04:37 <PsychoX75> Tee_Pee: must i?  :(   I really want to go straight for android. I have some other languages in my past, so I kinda know my way around programming.
Nov 09 09:04:57 <PsychoX75> following: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Nov 09 09:05:23 <lasserix> pyshox75, as long as you understand how to do loops, what functions are (and basics of how to make your own objects) you should be able to play around and learn
Nov 09 09:05:31 <Tee_Pee> Well, at the very least I'd look into Java project structure... packages, classes, objects, inheritance... just the basics, make sure you have the terminology straight.
Nov 09 09:05:49 <timroes> PsychoX75: mainly you should have another object oriented static typed language in your experiences
Nov 09 09:06:06 <PsychoX75> VisualBasic
Nov 09 09:06:12 <timroes> then you could also go learn java with android, i guess. But if you havent that you shouldnt
Nov 09 09:06:28 <topriddy> ...need to answer some brainstorming questions, best/possible workable approaches/ways to implement a chat system on a mobile client. Am interested in how chats like WhatsApp, 2go, Kiks, GTalk, YIM, pull it off
Nov 09 09:06:43 <timroes> is visualBasic objectoriented?
Nov 09 09:07:23 <timroes> okay it is :)
Nov 09 09:08:46 <timroes> topriddy: take some chat protocoll, (advice don't reinvent the wheel, have alook at xmpp or such) and then communicate with a xmppserver
Nov 09 09:09:05 <timroes> have a look at google cloud messaging, to push notifications to mobile devices, when new messages arrived
Nov 09 09:09:07 <sampullman> topriddy: the most straightforward way is to run a chat server and communicate through http
Nov 09 09:09:57 <Tee_Pee> Ok so... million dollar question... I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I'll try my luck anyway - is there a quick and painless way to animate a matrix transformation on an imageview?
Nov 09 09:10:21 <Tee_Pee> or do I need to do it manually via loops and deltas
Nov 09 09:10:24 <timroes> painless?
Nov 09 09:10:29 <timroes> depending on your pain threshold i would say :)
Nov 09 09:11:22 <sampullman> Tee_Pee: depends on the matrix transformation...translation and rotation are very simple
Nov 09 09:11:40 <Tee_Pee> those two are the only ones I need thankfully
Nov 09 09:11:56 <sampullman> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/animation/Animation.html
Nov 09 09:12:21 <sampullman> then the answer is yes, it's quite simple
Nov 09 09:16:23 <Tee_Pee> thanks, let's see what I can do....
Nov 09 09:24:53 <uniquesupri> Hi can anyone direct me to a working example of creating a content provider for the shared preferences of an app?
Nov 09 09:25:44 <tophyr_> wouldn't be very hard to write one of those i'd imgine
Nov 09 09:26:32 <Leeds> well, content-providers tend to be built on top of databases
Nov 09 09:26:43 <uniquesupri> tophyr_ yes but I am little confused about declaring URIs
Nov 09 09:26:53 <topriddy> problem is keeping socket connections alive on mobile
Nov 09 09:26:55 <tophyr_> Tee_Pee: you owe sampullman $1,000,000
Nov 09 09:26:57 <topriddy> BIG HEADACHE
Nov 09 09:27:11 <topriddy> already facing it, since i have implemented xmpp already
Nov 09 09:27:55 <Tee_Pee> tophyr_ - I do? :O
Nov 09 09:28:07 <tophyr_> million dollar question, and he got it ;)
Nov 09 09:28:09 <sampullman> i would graciously accept 100k
Nov 09 09:28:17 <tophyr_> what a gentleman
Nov 09 09:28:54 <tophyr_> uniquesupri: i would probably go with something like content://yourapp/preferences/<preference_name>
Nov 09 09:29:01 <uniquesupri> Leeds: ContentProvider can abstract shared preferences, files etc
Nov 09 09:29:13 <Leeds> of course it *can*
Nov 09 09:30:04 <uniquesupri> tophyr_ okay may be the preference key could be used
Nov 09 09:31:04 <uniquesupri> Leeds would you please suggest if there is an alternative to this?
Nov 09 09:31:22 <uniquesupri> I want to access shared preference values from another application
Nov 09 09:31:56 <uniquesupri> Creating world readable preference is not an option though
Nov 09 09:38:28 <alex_PP> Immatix, have you tried requestLocationUpdates with a pending intent, the passive provider and some large values for min distance and min time?
Nov 09 09:40:54 <Immatix> alex_PP: Would that be better or worse for battery drain than an alarm?
Nov 09 09:53:23 <RazielZ> blahhhh
Nov 09 09:53:28 <RazielZ> decompiled code so ugly
Nov 09 09:53:36 <RazielZ> Gonna take a bit to fix it up
Nov 09 09:54:03 <brickhead> Hey Guys
Nov 09 09:54:11 <Leeds> either you've lost your source, or you're trying to grab someone else's code...
Nov 09 09:54:15 <brickhead> a question on RandomAccessFile and Crypto
Nov 09 09:54:16 <RazielZ> Lost mine
Nov 09 09:54:17 <RazielZ> hdd fail
Nov 09 09:54:20 <g00s> RazielZ: next time … use version control :)
Nov 09 09:54:22 <RazielZ> Yeah
Nov 09 09:54:25 <g00s> and backups :D
Nov 09 09:54:28 <RazielZ> Gonna get me some bitbucket
Nov 09 09:54:43 <RazielZ> Still good tho since most variable names and stuff is fine
Nov 09 09:54:49 <brickhead> I'm using AES/CBS for encrypting the file
Nov 09 09:54:58 <RazielZ> gotta brb to uni lol
Nov 09 09:55:21 <Leeds> RazielZ: I can highly recommend crashplan
Nov 09 09:55:23 <brickhead> but I need to decrypt using RandomAccessFile, which don't seems to work
Nov 09 09:59:58 <ron_frown> le sigh
Nov 09 10:00:06 <ron_frown> my latest sleep habbits have me a bit puzzled
Nov 09 10:00:13 <g00s> :|
Nov 09 10:00:23 <ron_frown> wake up bright as day every morning at 1:30
Nov 09 10:00:24 <lasserix> Anyone know a list somewhere that shows home screen cell grid dimensions for android devices?
Nov 09 10:01:14 <g00s> ron_frown: maybe look up biphasic sleep and roll with it :) get up, study , go abck to bed. avoid blue light though :)
Nov 09 10:01:36 <ron_frown> I get up and fart around on the internet
Nov 09 10:01:36 <lasserix> ron_frown: the easiest way to control your sleep patterns is to do x amount of cardiovascular exercise. x is determined by what exhausts you enough to be able to fall asleep by the time you want
Nov 09 10:01:53 <lasserix> *healthiest and easiest
Nov 09 10:01:53 <ron_frown> I got no problem falling asleep at night
Nov 09 10:02:07 <ron_frown> and Id ont feel like I am lacking sleep
Nov 09 10:02:27 <ron_frown> g00s its gotta be waht... 3am for you?
Nov 09 10:02:35 <g00s> yup
Nov 09 10:02:47 <ron_frown> I take it you dont have a traditional day job?
Nov 09 10:02:54 <g00s> nope :)
Nov 09 10:03:27 <ron_frown> that'd be nice
Nov 09 10:03:27 <g00s> i'll go to bed soon. always been a late owl
Nov 09 10:03:35 <g00s> thats genetics tho
Nov 09 10:03:58 <ron_frown> I've got software a.d.d
Nov 09 10:04:03 <g00s> *anyhow* … if you really do want to fall back to sleep, avoid blue/green light now
Nov 09 10:04:21 <ron_frown> millions of ideas of shit to build but my mind is all over the place
Nov 09 10:07:39 <lasserix> ron_frown you could always try staying in position and reading something technical, verbose or otherwise mentally exhausting till your mind nods off again
Nov 09 10:07:58 <ron_frown> its not like insomnia
Nov 09 10:08:07 <ron_frown> I literally dont feel the need for more sleep whatsoever
Nov 09 10:08:20 <ron_frown> I feel like I woke up after 8hr of sleep
Nov 09 10:08:47 <lasserix> sounds like a gift ;p
Nov 09 10:09:05 <g00s> its probably not tho
Nov 09 10:09:16 <ron_frown> I had this a few years ago
Nov 09 10:09:24 <ron_frown> seemed to stick around for about 1yr
Nov 09 10:09:28 <ron_frown> no ill effects
Nov 09 10:09:45 <lasserix> well that's why i said the thing about the exercise, if you physically exhaust yourself you will not have the energy to wake up in the middle of the night
Nov 09 10:11:08 <lasserix> otherwise just catch up on some good reading, that is my favorite thing about waking up and odd, quiet hours.
Nov 09 10:12:04 <pakerfeldt> Anyone here with experience of building native library for multiple architectures using android-maven-plugin?
Nov 09 10:14:13 <g00s> linkedIn had been pretty useful for me so far .. but these stupid endoresements they added are total BS
Nov 09 10:14:32 <g00s> i see one idiot endorse another idiot for a skill neither idiot had
Nov 09 10:14:35 <g00s> hilarious
Nov 09 10:14:58 * Leeds endorses g00s for meego, meebo, and BB10
Nov 09 10:14:58 <ron_frown> ?
Nov 09 10:15:21 * g00s endorses leeds for bacon avoidance
Nov 09 10:15:34 <Leeds> NO BA... oh, yeah, right
Nov 09 10:16:34 <ron_frown> linked in hasnt done much for me
Nov 09 10:17:04 <pragma-> create a bunch of linkedin alternates and endorse all yourselves and hope an employer picks one of yourselves
Nov 09 10:17:22 <ron_frown> honestly endorse doesnt really mean shit
Nov 09 10:17:32 <ron_frown> myold coworoker went in there and added a bucnh of random ass sshit
Nov 09 10:17:43 <ron_frown> some of which I dont infact know a damn thing about
Nov 09 10:20:23 <lasserix> Is it possible to change textsize of a textview via remote views in an appwidgetreciever?
Nov 09 10:21:14 <ron_frown> that right there is the one little corner of the android platform I never messed with
Nov 09 10:21:22 * g00s endorses pragma- for Trolling, level 99
Nov 09 10:21:28 <g00s> :D
Nov 09 10:24:17 <ron_frown> is it bad that I took my diesel tuner updater app, decompiled it, fixed a bug and sent it to the original authors
Nov 09 10:24:31 <ron_frown> because it wouldnt run completely
Nov 09 10:24:32 <ron_frown> haha
Nov 09 10:28:28 <g00s> "Bottomline Huawei's MediaPad 10 arrives too late with specs that have since been overtaken by rivals. Coupled with limited regional availability and prohibitive pricing, this is an ICS slate that's best overlooked."
Nov 09 10:28:53 * g00s hears the engine of android consolidation grind on
Nov 09 10:29:11 <ron_frown> honestly I dont get why keeping hardware up to date with android is all that hard
Nov 09 10:29:17 <ron_frown> OTHER than
Nov 09 10:29:30 <ron_frown> hardware manus dont give a fuck about old hardware =)
Nov 09 10:29:48 <MDijkstra> ron_frown: I think it's chiefly because these big companies still think in terms of devices as self-contained entities
Nov 09 10:29:50 <g00s> well, thats kinda relevant :D
Nov 09 10:30:18 <MDijkstra> ron_frown: so they have to do much of the porting work for every device they have
Nov 09 10:30:54 <g00s> with the n10, i think many oems are going to say f it … we can't compete
Nov 09 10:30:56 <ashiswin> hi there, i am using a viewpager with fragments to have swipable tabs
Nov 09 10:31:04 <ron_frown> even then it would seem that the MAJORITY of the platform independence lies in the hardware configuration and kernel shit
Nov 09 10:31:06 <sphen> Hello.  I'm trying to put an Android device into wifi AP mode but disable routing to mobile data connection for clients.  Is this possible?
Nov 09 10:31:12 <ashiswin> how do i set a new options menu in the action bar for each new fragment?
Nov 09 10:31:15 <ron_frown> and frankly kernel doesnt need DRASTIC changes from version to version
Nov 09 10:31:17 <ashiswin> like when it swipes, it changes
Nov 09 10:31:24 <ashiswin> any ideas how to make it change?
Nov 09 10:31:34 <ron_frown> at least in teh versions I've dealt with
Nov 09 10:31:43 <MDijkstra> ron_frown: usually not, no, but this gets difficult once you have 15 devices with different drivers for each
Nov 09 10:31:46 <ron_frown> gingerbread/ics/jb
Nov 09 10:32:02 <MDijkstra> ron_frown: and of course supporting old devices doesn't directly make you money
Nov 09 10:32:10 <sphen> So far if I put the device into AP mode using reflection, tethering is swiftly enabled.
Nov 09 10:32:15 <MDijkstra> (emphasis on directly)
Nov 09 10:32:30 <g00s> i wonder how often, oems just get binary blobs for kernel drivers
Nov 09 10:32:41 <ron_frown> g00s VERY frquently
Nov 09 10:32:56 <g00s> well, thats your problem then. the linux kernel doesn't have an ABI
Nov 09 10:32:56 <MDijkstra> well, they are technically not allowed to do that
Nov 09 10:32:59 <ashiswin> hi there, i am using a viewpager with fragments to have swipable tabs. Just wondering, how do i change the options menu in the action bar for each fragment?
Nov 09 10:33:01 <MDijkstra> because of the GPL
Nov 09 10:33:06 <MDijkstra> but they try to get around this
Nov 09 10:33:12 <Leeds> heh
Nov 09 10:33:14 <Leeds> GPL... so naive
Nov 09 10:33:20 <ron_frown> I've dealt a LOT with omap/IMX/Exynos platforms
Nov 09 10:33:28 <ron_frown> and they are all closed source drivers etc
Nov 09 10:33:39 <MDijkstra> I've worked on the original milestone
Nov 09 10:33:51 <gregtom6> hy all
Nov 09 10:34:05 <MDijkstra> or at least, worked on porting a newer version of android to it
Nov 09 10:34:19 <gregtom6> I used this code to send integer, but this doesn't send the int value in integer
Nov 09 10:34:20 <gregtom6> DataOutputStream out=new DataOutputStream(RoboLOGO.socket.getOutputStream()); 			out.writeInt(t);
Nov 09 10:34:28 <gregtom6> what am I doing wrong?
Nov 09 10:34:45 <ron_frown> perhaps an issue with endianess?
Nov 09 10:35:04 <gregtom6> t is an integer variable
Nov 09 10:35:07 <ron_frown> also set breakpoint and verify t contains the correct int?
Nov 09 10:35:14 <alex_PP> Immatix, better
Nov 09 10:35:22 <MDijkstra> I don't think it had binary drivers directly, but some drivers were just adapters that talked to a closed source daemon, or the baseband processor
Nov 09 10:35:32 <MDijkstra> ie, the getting around the GPL part :)
Nov 09 10:35:41 <ron_frown> MDijkstra yeah thats very typical
Nov 09 10:36:00 <ron_frown> panda has pvr stubs in the kernel, and then if you dont have the magical binaries in the correct places
Nov 09 10:36:02 <ron_frown> no gfx
Nov 09 10:36:11 <MDijkstra> fun
Nov 09 10:37:02 <MDijkstra> our porting effort went nowhere in the end, because we couldn't upgrade the kernel
Nov 09 10:37:11 <Immatix> alex_PP: I might have to look into implementing that instead.
Nov 09 10:37:20 <Immatix> alarmmanagers just don't seem to be that reliable
Nov 09 10:37:45 <ron_frown> see one of my hardware vendors didnt know what they were doing and they butchered the shit out of standard way of doing things in android platform
Nov 09 10:38:07 <ron_frown> I was unable to move it from gingerbread to ics
Nov 09 10:38:13 <MDijkstra> so we tried to use the kernel extension which could reboot into a new kernel from linux itself
Nov 09 10:38:19 <MDijkstra> but that broke the baseband
Nov 09 10:38:19 <lasserix> How can I dynamically change the textview font size in an app widget ?
Nov 09 10:38:21 <MDijkstra> etc etc
Nov 09 10:38:35 <MDijkstra> path of tears, in the end I jus gave up and bought a gnex :)
Nov 09 10:38:55 <gregtom6> well
Nov 09 10:39:54 <MDijkstra> moto's drivers also didn't support multiple headset button pressed in quick succession, because they didn't use proper top/bottom-half interrupt processing
Nov 09 10:40:03 <gregtom6> is it true that if I send a value with myOutputStream.write(msg.getBytes()); and out.writeInt(anintegervariable); the values will be like ascii code?
Nov 09 10:40:04 <MDijkstra> and thus the second interrupt fell through
Nov 09 10:40:49 <gregtom6> I mean the other side they will be same "type" values?
Nov 09 10:41:10 <MDijkstra> gregtom6: see what getBytes returns
Nov 09 10:41:18 <MDijkstra> the ascii code should be one byte
Nov 09 10:41:38 <gregtom6> getbytes returns with a string
Nov 09 10:41:41 <gregtom6> or a character
Nov 09 10:41:48 <ron_frown> gregtom6 when you are reading/writing binary to/from streams, endianness matters
Nov 09 10:41:49 <gregtom6> but I'm sending a character, so that's good
Nov 09 10:41:51 <MDijkstra> so a string of size?
Nov 09 10:42:09 <ron_frown> device a may not send the data in the same endianess as the other device expects to see
Nov 09 10:42:16 <MDijkstra> also, I'm guessing writeInt writes multiple bytes
Nov 09 10:42:29 <MDijkstra> but this kind of stuff in java is a nightmare
Nov 09 10:42:40 <gregtom6> how should I send an integer if I would like to get an integer in the other side?
Nov 09 10:42:49 <g00s> anyone using the latest chrome (23) for mac? it wont let me select 'block all sites from using the camera/mike' under prefs/content settings/flash camera. i'm getting fed up with chrome
Nov 09 10:42:55 <MDijkstra> gregtom6: that completely depends on what the other side is
Nov 09 10:43:09 <gregtom6> putty
Nov 09 10:43:23 <MDijkstra> make a string out of it
Nov 09 10:43:25 <gregtom6> a client what writes the getting data to the screen
Nov 09 10:43:28 <MDijkstra> send only strings
Nov 09 10:43:43 <MDijkstra> ie, format your numbers as "%d"
Nov 09 10:43:46 <gregtom6> okay
Nov 09 10:43:47 <MDijkstra> and send that
Nov 09 10:43:57 <Tee_Pee> has anyone here worked with TranslateAnimation?
Nov 09 10:44:00 <MDijkstra> if you want it to appear as an int in plaintext over putty
Nov 09 10:44:45 <g00s> fuck it
Nov 09 10:44:48 * g00s deletes chrome
Nov 09 10:45:12 <Tee_Pee> I am trying to wrap my head around how these numbers work - I have the X and Y distance I need to move the image... I set the FROM coordinates to Animation.RELATIVE_TO_SELF and 0.0f, which properly makes it starts from where the imagei s right now
Nov 09 10:45:22 <Tee_Pee> but getting it to the right "to" coordinates seems to be tricky
Nov 09 10:46:10 <Tee_Pee> the values are apparently percentages (1.0 being 100%) when working with RELATIVE_TO_SELF, but difference.x/imagewidth doesn't net expected results
Nov 09 10:46:10 <gregtom6> MDijkstra: and how, where should I format the values to integer?
Nov 09 10:46:31 <gregtom6> on the sending or the getting side?
Nov 09 10:46:35 <ron_frown> MDijkstra - thats what you get for helping!
Nov 09 10:47:03 * ron_frown is in love with intellij even more since darkula
Nov 09 10:47:14 <alex_PP> Tee_Pee, you want Animation.ABSOLUTE
Nov 09 10:48:11 <g00s> ron_frown: dracula?
Nov 09 10:48:12 <ron_frown> http://www.screenr.com/asl8
Nov 09 10:48:15 <ron_frown> yeah
Nov 09 10:48:16 <ron_frown> dracula
Nov 09 10:48:33 <g00s> flash is needed to display this content, yeah fuck that
Nov 09 10:48:34 <ron_frown> I wish vs had the equivalent
Nov 09 10:48:50 <ron_frown> g00s - such a hater
Nov 09 10:49:08 <g00s> hehe
Nov 09 10:49:16 <ron_frown> http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/677454424.png?key=1280800&Expires=1352459150&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=WYkeYfoEbAeA9xbiDaTS6xaMXfQIgt6yX7z6c02LbArKhMLZfy1ITaIA73O9zLTCp9gICnPOPtK6E1c0~1BtIDb1mHbRZZMti~2De2KRIX8BMV021mlGDn~sshwl94hYtTHUrT6h3unJawQv24sbOkfn~N9aU~46XKGDxtFzSVs_
Nov 09 10:49:18 <ron_frown> AHHH
Nov 09 10:49:24 <ron_frown> wtf
Nov 09 10:49:26 <ron_frown> sorry
Nov 09 10:49:34 <ron_frown> http://twitpic.com/b7c76g
Nov 09 10:50:15 <g00s> ron_frown: did you see http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2012/11/02/microsofts-security-team-is-killing-it-not-one-product-on-kasperskys-top-10-vulnerabilities-list/
Nov 09 10:50:22 <g00s> flash is like an incurable std
Nov 09 10:50:36 <g00s> now that i dont have chrome, i dont have flash either …. yey !
Nov 09 10:51:25 <MDijkstra> some sites still use flash for video though
Nov 09 10:51:34 <MDijkstra> ie, thedailyshow.com
Nov 09 10:51:44 <g00s> oh well
Nov 09 10:52:02 <ron_frown> g00s that doesnt surprise me
Nov 09 10:52:02 <MDijkstra> yeah, doesn't really bother me that much
Nov 09 10:52:17 <MDijkstra> still, it shouldn't be that hard to use some html5 drop-in replacement
Nov 09 10:52:25 <Tee_Pee> alex_PP - thanks, that's what I needed... I got confused by Animation.ABSOLUTE, as I expected it to be exact on-screen coordinates
Nov 09 10:52:38 <Tee_Pee> When in reality it is relative to the from point...
Nov 09 10:52:43 <shmooz> why did they decide to kill flash ? it was nice
Nov 09 10:52:49 <ron_frown> I think the reason why is its a bit easier to control access to video if its not just a url to a open format movie
Nov 09 10:52:59 <g00s> my neighbor works for adobe … and he says, they know of a *bunch* of security issues - just sitting in their defect tracker … nobody wants to deal with it
Nov 09 10:53:22 <g00s> they have severely critical security issues sitting there for over a year
Nov 09 10:54:07 <g00s> its very much not an engineering driven culture there
Nov 09 10:54:16 <g00s> all marketing & schedule based planning, etc
Nov 09 10:54:26 <ron_frown> haha
Nov 09 10:54:29 <ron_frown> welcome to my world
Nov 09 10:54:35 <MDijkstra> yeah, their complete inability to make flash work well on tablets
Nov 09 10:54:40 <ron_frown> my employer has some awesome diff projects going on
Nov 09 10:54:45 <ron_frown> very interesting and intriguing stuff
Nov 09 10:54:50 <shmooz> what about all those cute flash games
Nov 09 10:54:54 <tdignan> I can't wait for flash to die
Nov 09 10:54:57 <ron_frown> but refuses to adopt any sort of SDLC process
Nov 09 10:55:00 <MDijkstra> ie, I can understand that it doesn't work so well on a 550MHz ARM processor
Nov 09 10:55:06 <MDijkstra> but a dual-core 1.5GHz?
Nov 09 10:55:48 <tdignan> MDijkstra: so, software from a decade ago is slow on your modern tablet :) awesome
Nov 09 10:56:07 <tdignan> fuck moore's law. adobe has changed everything
Nov 09 10:56:26 <shmooz> I don't know any flash programming but the speed and apps and games were pretty impressive compared to say a java applet
Nov 09 10:56:51 <tdignan> yeah, java applets turned out to be a pretty big joke.
Nov 09 10:57:01 <MDijkstra> tdignan: no, back in the day when adobe was still pushing flash on mobile you already had 1GHz dual core processors
Nov 09 10:57:19 <MDijkstra> I'd be talking about quad core processors if I meant the current state of affairs
Nov 09 10:57:29 <ron_frown> GOD DAMN THIS PHLEGM
Nov 09 10:57:32 <tdignan> MDijkstra: don't use logic.. just beat on flash
Nov 09 10:57:35 <ron_frown> I never had a cold or anything... wtf
Nov 09 10:57:45 <tdignan> ron_frown: use neti pot, gargly hydrogen peroxide with water solution.
Nov 09 10:57:53 <ron_frown> throat
Nov 09 10:57:55 <ron_frown> not sinuses
Nov 09 10:57:58 <tdignan> it's all connected
Nov 09 10:58:19 <tdignan> if you want an otc med go buy mucinex
Nov 09 10:58:21 <tdignan> that stuff works well
Nov 09 10:59:34 <Tee_Pee> well, this is driving me positively nuts
Nov 09 11:00:31 <jeppy`> Does the _ID column have to be auto-increment for it to work with listviews and cursor loaders? I was thinking it might make more sense to force it to be the ID of the data i'm fetching from the remote (main) database.
Nov 09 11:00:35 <Tee_Pee> I got the translation animation to start and end at the right points... however, if there's a part of the image that's off-screen when the animation starts, it will remain clipped and won't show at all until I update the image's matrix some other way.
Nov 09 11:00:58 <ron_frown> its lke I got a cold cept skpped the sore throat and super shitty feeling
Nov 09 11:01:01 <shmooz> in my streaming video app I still plan to support flash rtmp streaming if thats the users only choice
Nov 09 11:01:03 <tdignan> jeppy`: i can't say with absolute certainty because I've never *not* made _id autoincrement.
Nov 09 11:01:12 <tdignan> 99% sure it must be.
Nov 09 11:01:34 <ron_frown> I like using guids for ids
Nov 09 11:01:39 <jeppy`> so I'll just let it be and have a separate column for the other id
Nov 09 11:01:58 <tdignan> it's slow to use a guid though, unless you really need to. also there's no reason no to have an _id and a guid
Nov 09 11:02:14 <jeppy`> i'm not using any guid
Nov 09 11:02:19 <tdignan> I know :)
Nov 09 11:02:38 <tdignan> jeppy`: what's the other id?
Nov 09 11:02:48 <tdignan> it sounds like that should be a foreign key
Nov 09 11:02:53 <jeppy`> its the auto-increment from the main/remote db
Nov 09 11:03:03 <tdignan> ah
Nov 09 11:03:15 <tdignan> in this case you should take ron_frown's advie
Nov 09 11:03:19 <tdignan> that should be a guid
Nov 09 11:03:38 <jeppy`> ?
Nov 09 11:03:41 <ron_frown> haha
Nov 09 11:03:46 <tdignan> google guid/uuid
Nov 09 11:03:47 <ron_frown> that wasnt my suggestion
Nov 09 11:03:51 <ron_frown> I am just saying I liked em
Nov 09 11:03:52 <tdignan> if you change your other database, you're screwed
Nov 09 11:03:54 <jeppy`> i'm aware of what they are
Nov 09 11:04:03 <tdignan> if you use guids, you're safe
Nov 09 11:04:15 <ron_frown> nothing wrong creating a col referencing another auto increment int
Nov 09 11:04:22 <ron_frown> its like a fk thats not enforced
Nov 09 11:04:23 <tdignan> on another database!?:)
Nov 09 11:04:37 <tdignan> to each his own
Nov 09 11:04:38 <jeppy`> i wont change it
Nov 09 11:04:43 <tdignan> enjoy :P
Nov 09 11:04:59 <tdignan> you could use that column as _id safely, I et
Nov 09 11:05:00 <ron_frown> I'm very opionated when it comes to database stuff, and its not what people typically think =)
Nov 09 11:05:26 <tdignan> jeppy`: you know why if all those ids in the other table are unique it will be fine to use them as _id, regardless of whether they're autoincrement?
Nov 09 11:05:37 <tdignan> because sql tables are sets, and sets are unordered.
Nov 09 11:05:51 <jeppy`> ah
Nov 09 11:05:52 <tdignan> as long as the _id are unique, it should wor
Nov 09 11:06:32 <ron_frown> a couple of my opinions I am sure I have tons of opposition to
Nov 09 11:06:53 <ron_frown> fuck sprocs, fuck database enforced referential integrity
Nov 09 11:06:58 <jeppy`> ok. i just wanted to put my thoughts out there because i've had trouble in the past with databases in android, albeit for a completely different reason
Nov 09 11:08:14 <tdignan> ron_frown:  i won't put a schema in my project if there's a chance that  it's not abolutely air-tight
Nov 09 11:09:25 <ron_frown> i'm one of those people that thinks traditional rdbms's are archaic and that generally some nosql database fits the buck better
Nov 09 11:09:28 <jeppy`> i'm mostly using the db to cache results of requests sent to the server. that way I can display previous results while new ones are being fetched
Nov 09 11:09:32 <ron_frown> I think there are some huge holes still
Nov 09 11:12:28 <ron_frown> oh well off to get some work done
Nov 09 11:12:30 <ron_frown> PEACE
Nov 09 11:16:25 <Tyrope> Good afternoon internet.
Nov 09 11:16:48 <Tyrope> How does one lock an app into portrait mode? (API8)
Nov 09 11:17:10 <jeppy`> handle configuration changes in the manifest
Nov 09 11:17:43 <jeppy`> android:configChanges="orientation"
Nov 09 11:17:52 <jeppy`> i might be way off but the same general idea
Nov 09 11:18:07 <tdignan> Tyrope: good morning
Nov 09 11:18:16 <tdignan> jeppy`: that will stop the screen from having a config change
Nov 09 11:18:27 <tdignan> but to lock the orientation you use android:screenOrientation="portrait"
Nov 09 11:18:28 <Tyrope> I'm using the eclipse IDE btw.
Nov 09 11:18:37 <jeppy`> oh yeah
Nov 09 11:18:39 <tdignan> eclipse has nothing to do with this, it's just manifest edits
Nov 09 11:18:45 <jeppy`> sorry haven't really had to deal with that
Nov 09 11:18:47 <tdignan> np
Nov 09 11:18:52 <tdignan> it's a band-aid though!
Nov 09 11:18:52 <Tyrope> Well, it has a UI for the xml editing, hence pointing it out. ;)
Nov 09 11:18:59 <tdignan> Tyrope: yeah... screw that thing
Nov 09 11:19:03 <tdignan> edit hte xml like a boss!
Nov 09 11:19:36 <tdignan> i hate to say it but the xml is several times simpler than the interface to edit it...
Nov 09 11:20:39 <tdignan> code time
Nov 09 11:20:52 <Tyrope> Yeah.
Nov 09 11:21:18 <Tyrope> So to lock it application-wide I just put it in <manifest><application />?
Nov 09 11:21:29 <Tyrope> or do I need to tell it per activity?
Nov 09 11:23:28 * Tyrope should try and fail instead of ask and wait. :)
Nov 09 11:23:47 <Tyrope> per activity. Much appreciated.
Nov 09 11:24:14 <Tyrope> Awww, it doesn't work upside down. :P
Nov 09 11:27:36 <Tee_Pee>  getTransformation (long currentTime, Transformation outTransformation, float scale)   <----The first currentTime parameter is literally the current android clock time?
Nov 09 11:27:48 <Tee_Pee> Because I can't seem to find any way to find an animation's elapsed time.
Nov 09 11:37:50 <ddreamer0> hi
Nov 09 11:38:31 <ddreamer0> JakeWharton are you around? any bugfixes with the white pixel on the tabs ?
Nov 09 11:42:29 <Tyrope> I don't see what i'm doing wrong here... http://pastie.org/private/athuw6lo2x1welbkjgltca
Nov 09 11:43:00 <Tyrope> When setting a value in the result and switching between the 2 activities it resets back to 0.
Nov 09 11:48:25 <lasserix> Tyrope try changing result = intent.getIntExtra(MainScreen.SIMPLE_RESULT, 0); the 0 at the end to 1 and see what happens
Nov 09 11:49:13 <Tyrope> Alrighty.
Nov 09 11:49:18 <Tyrope> 0
Nov 09 11:49:19 <lasserix> also you should be consistent with your naming: ie, don't call formulaMode formulaMode if it poitns to NerdMode, call it launchNerdMode or rename nerdmode to be formula mode and vica versa
Nov 09 11:49:33 <lasserix> with simplemode/mainscreen
Nov 09 11:49:59 <Tyrope> It's going to be called formulamode, just derped in making the file and not sure if it's safe to rename the class without renaming a lot of other files.
Nov 09 11:50:25 <Tyrope> (nerdmode was the original name but I didn't like it.)
Nov 09 11:50:25 <lasserix> as long as you use refactor it's okay--the problem occurs when you refactor xml files since it won't update references in the java code
Nov 09 11:50:42 <Tyrope> as long as I whatnow? :P
Nov 09 11:51:05 <lasserix> right click the class -> about middle way through select refactor
Nov 09 11:51:27 <lasserix> that is how you rename it, its called refactor because it'll go through all your other codes and update the name
Nov 09 11:51:34 <Tyrope> Oh, sweet.
Nov 09 11:51:59 <lasserix> your question was vague though, is nerdmode getting any result != 0?
Nov 09 11:52:08 <Tyrope> nerdmode doesn't change the result.
Nov 09 11:52:21 <Tyrope> it merely stores it so it can be displayed when mainScreen is being called again.
Nov 09 11:53:43 <Tyrope> (thx for the refactor btw, they're now called SimpleMode and FormulaMode as desired.)
Nov 09 11:54:06 <lasserix> your question was vague though, is nerdmode getting any result != 0?
Nov 09 11:54:24 <Tyrope> nerdmode doesn't display it.
Nov 09 11:54:34 <lasserix> tyrope what is the value of result after result = intent.getIntExtra(MainScreen.SIMPLE_RESULT, 0); is called in nerdmode oncreate?
Nov 09 11:54:36 <Tyrope> Lemme make it print to a textfield real quick
Nov 09 11:54:43 <lasserix> just use logcat
Nov 09 11:54:53 <Tyrope> That doesn't print it, does it?
Nov 09 11:54:59 <lasserix> Log.d("MY TAG", "info goes here" + result)
Nov 09 11:55:02 <lasserix> yeah
Nov 09 11:55:12 <Tyrope> I put that in FormulaMode.onCreate()?
Nov 09 11:55:18 <lasserix> no
Nov 09 11:55:27 <lasserix> goto Window->show view LogCat (may be in other under android)
Nov 09 11:55:33 <Tyrope> LogCat is open.
Nov 09 11:55:37 <lasserix> you can put it anywhere
Nov 09 11:55:55 <lasserix> but when you put the code Log.d("tag", "my debug desc);
Nov 09 11:55:59 <lasserix> it'll output that to logcat
Nov 09 11:56:06 <Tyrope> Awesome.
Nov 09 11:56:17 <Tyrope> 'tag' can be anything, or from a predefined list?
Nov 09 11:56:19 <lasserix> using you declare a string TAG as class name or whatever keyword and desc is whatever you need, in this case result
Nov 09 11:57:19 <lasserix> tag can be any string, some people use fully qualified path names i just use keywords (but i am independent developer so i dont have to worry about other people reading the code)
Nov 09 11:57:24 <lasserix> anyways
Nov 09 11:57:48 <Tyrope> DEBUGMSG result = 19
Nov 09 11:57:56 <Tyrope> so formulaMode knows the result.
Nov 09 11:58:04 <lasserix> on line 12 (move the } to line 13) in nerdmode output result
Nov 09 11:58:06 <lasserix> oh cool
Nov 09 11:58:33 <Tyrope> so it's the way back that fails, I assume?
Nov 09 11:58:34 <lasserix> notice if you replace MainScreeen.SIMPLE_RESULT with some junk text result will instead get the value of 0
Nov 09 11:59:04 <Tyrope> SimpleMode.SIMPLE_RESULT* yeah.
Nov 09 11:59:14 <Tyrope> since param 2 is the default value.
Nov 09 11:59:42 <Tyrope> I'm moving the Log.d to below the intent.putExtra()
Nov 09 11:59:47 <Tyrope> see if result is still valid.
Nov 09 12:00:08 <Tyrope> It is.
Nov 09 12:00:21 <davidleon> how to import zxing to intellij?
Nov 09 12:00:28 <lasserix> just a reminder don't depend on trial and error using logcat, try and think your data and logic through otherwise you'll never become a great programmer
Nov 09 12:01:05 <Tyrope> lasserix: Divide and conquer method: See where the data is still valid to limit the area where it's going wrong.
Nov 09 12:01:15 <Tyrope> That's what MITx is teaching me, anyway.
Nov 09 12:01:43 <Tyrope> Thx for the tip though.
Nov 09 12:01:52 <lasserix> oh totally i just mean before jumping to use logcat try and think in the abstract where it's going wrong, sometimes this is not possible but it's good practice ;p
Nov 09 12:02:03 <Tyrope> Aye, ofcourse.
Nov 09 12:02:20 <Tyrope> Usually when I'm asking for help i've walked past that step. I just didn't know how to debug print with android.
Nov 09 12:02:31 <Tyrope> started android (java altogether, actually) like... 3 days ago.
Nov 09 12:02:45 <Tyrope> Oh, wow...
Nov 09 12:02:47 <Tyrope> I'm stupid.
Nov 09 12:02:56 <lasserix> anyways you have to ask yourself, why should result be assigned any other value that whatever it is assigned to already in simplemode?
Nov 09 12:03:02 <Tyrope> Might help to fetch the data on SimpleMode...
Nov 09 12:03:46 <Tyrope> Yup. herp derp.
Nov 09 12:03:49 <Tyrope> thx.
Nov 09 12:04:09 <dioHere> Am building a multiplayer game in android. I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to cras
Nov 09 12:04:15 <Tyrope> Oh, quick question: Do I need both definitions of SIMPLE_RESULT or can I use SimpleMode.SIMPLE_RESULT in FormulaMode?
Nov 09 12:04:34 <lasserix> np also using two instances of the static string SIMPLE_MODE is bad form, since you really only need one copy and because it's a key if you are using multiple definations of the same unique identifier you might end up changing it and everything will break
Nov 09 12:05:07 <lasserix> ie on line 18 in nerdmode remove line 3 public final static String SIMPLE_RESULT = "nl.tyrope.asimplediceroller.SIMPLE_RESULT"; and change SIMPLE_RESULT to MainScreen.SIMPLE_RESULT and remove the
Nov 09 12:05:24 <Tyrope> As I thought.
Nov 09 12:05:31 <Tyrope> I'll modify accordingly.
Nov 09 12:05:51 <Tyrope> Just making sure I wasn't relying on something that may or may not be there.
Nov 09 12:06:44 <Tyrope> Sweet, now to do this in reverse for FORMULA_RESULT
Nov 09 12:07:02 <lasserix> also as a tip and i dont know how other people do it but I tend to name my R.* ids and stuff based on the an acronym of their view type, like simpleResult textview would have id tv_simple_result because since you are using eclipse it makes it easy to navigate through dozens of ids quickly this way using autocomplete
Nov 09 12:07:48 <lasserix> anyways i gota get back to it, good luck!
Nov 09 12:08:16 <lasserix> *autocomplete --> intillsense
Nov 09 12:08:18 <Tyrope> I used to do that, but noticed that when looking back in my code after a while (especially in VB.NET, good old days.) I never looked at the abbreviation but knew it by element name. Thanks for the suggestion though. might do that in more complicated UIs
Nov 09 12:08:38 <Tyrope> GL with your developing as well. :)
Nov 09 12:09:35 <davidleon> why intelliJ reports "Cannot parse file" androidmanifest.xml
Nov 09 12:10:26 <davidleon> and the manifest.xml is not modified from zxing repo
Nov 09 12:13:55 <davidleon> umm intellij building importing process is quite pleasing
Nov 09 12:17:38 <davidleon> how to specify the dependency of project in a working space
Nov 09 12:17:46 <davidleon> in intellij
Nov 09 12:21:11 <davidleon> how do i move .intellij folder to another place?
Nov 09 12:29:35 <Tyrope> Do TextViews not support tab (/t) characters?
Nov 09 12:33:44 <HDroid> Tyrope: not sure, but try \t :)
Nov 09 12:33:59 <Tyrope> I did, Dunno how I derped with the wrong slash here.
Nov 09 12:34:27 <HDroid> If you desperately need it, you could try Html.fromHtml(), maybe that honors tabs.
Nov 09 12:34:41 <Tyrope> Nah, I'll newline instead.
Nov 09 12:34:49 <Tyrope> got about 80% of the screen for this textfield anyway.
Nov 09 12:34:59 <HDroid> I.e. setText(Html.fromHtml("he\tllo"));
Nov 09 12:35:47 <Tyrope> nope
Nov 09 12:35:49 <Tyrope> no tab char.
Nov 09 12:35:53 <HDroid> Oh, too bad
Nov 09 12:35:58 <Tyrope> Yeah.
Nov 09 12:36:27 <Tyrope> Guess I'll use this then: "Input: "+input+'\n'+"Output:"+'\n'+output
Nov 09 12:37:23 <HDroid> Either that or split into multiple textviews.
Nov 09 12:37:41 <mikedg_> suckah
Nov 09 12:37:42 <davidleon> i believe intellij folder can't handle path with non ascii chars
Nov 09 12:38:08 <Tyrope> That'll get messy, since I'd have to combine/split the string when passing inbetween activities, or use more memory.
Nov 09 12:39:25 <Tee_Pee> ok so.... weird problem... I have a translate animation, and it can be canceled before it has ended, in which case I want to cancel the rest of the animation, but keep the already "traversed" distance, i.e. not reset the imageview.
Nov 09 12:40:03 <Tee_Pee> This code returns 0 for both transX and transY: http://pastebin.com/LTZgbwxe
Nov 09 12:51:36 <hemroid> anyone working on stuff for the Galaxy S2 Straight Talk model SGH-S959G?
Nov 09 12:52:13 <hemroid> whoops wrong room
Nov 09 13:34:41 <mesuutt> hi, I have a django- tastypie rest api. So I want to make rest client for android.Which you recommend, restlet etc and why ? (I know little english)
Nov 09 13:36:51 <ron_frown> android query
Nov 09 13:36:55 <ron_frown> make your own
Nov 09 13:37:05 <ron_frown> gson/jsonobject
Nov 09 13:39:34 <mikedg_> i recommend you drop android and support windows 8
Nov 09 13:40:00 <mikedg_> android is so 2008
Nov 09 13:40:09 <root66> so, my synthesizer project is coming right along... I can't wait to see one of my iPhone friends
Nov 09 13:40:11 <HDroid> You're so 2000 and late!
Nov 09 13:40:21 <root66> I am going to be like OH REALLY? NICE PIANO BZZZZZT CHHHKKKK WUBWUBWUBWUBWUB
Nov 09 13:40:43 <HDroid> Mhaha
Nov 09 13:40:58 <HDroid> Well, to be honest, the Korg and Moog apps on iOS are quite nice.
Nov 09 13:41:15 <HDroid> But you're probably hitting a nice niche on Android.
Nov 09 13:41:20 <mesuutt> ron_frown: why should I write own myself api client?
Nov 09 13:41:22 <root66> here is what will make mine better (and I don't mind telling everyon because I would love to see it copied):
Nov 09 13:41:31 <ad2> on ios, propellerheads released rebirth
Nov 09 13:41:41 <root66> they are all based on either standard waveforms or random noise
Nov 09 13:41:42 <ad2> i hope (crossss fingered) they don't come to Android market :)
Nov 09 13:41:49 <root66> mine is going to let you draw the waveform on your screen
Nov 09 13:41:54 <root66> like the old fastTracker2 on amiga
Nov 09 13:42:11 <ad2> root66, good luck with that
Nov 09 13:42:12 <mikedg_> root66: can i surf the waveform on my screen?
Nov 09 13:42:16 <root66> so you can use a standard sine, pulse, etc, but also invent new sounds you won't find on any synths
Nov 09 13:42:17 <dioHere> Am building a multiplayer game in android. I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to cras
Nov 09 13:42:37 <root66> mikedg: how about scratching?
Nov 09 13:42:46 <ad2> <root66> mine is going to let you draw the waveform on your screen <- will not produce a beautifull sound, believe me
Nov 09 13:43:01 <mesuutt> mikedg_: I love android, not windows and products :P
Nov 09 13:43:01 <HDroid> Ahh nice, kind of like the Waldorf Blofeld
Nov 09 13:43:06 <ad2> but you can clone a kaos pad like
Nov 09 13:43:10 <root66> ad2, fasttracker had that option and I use to make sick bass sounds
Nov 09 13:43:27 <ad2> root66, did you already played with DSP, i mean technically
Nov 09 13:43:30 <ad2> it's really challenging
Nov 09 13:43:46 <ad2> require a lot of maths background too
Nov 09 13:43:47 <root66> in what regard? I already have a working multi-osc synth
Nov 09 13:43:56 <root66> I'm no math dummy
Nov 09 13:43:57 <tm604> root66: if you want something a bit more interesting than the usual analog synth clones, granular synthesis is a good avenue to explore. easy to implement.
Nov 09 13:44:09 <root66> i'll check that out
Nov 09 13:44:13 <ad2> yup granular syth tox
Nov 09 13:44:14 <root66> right now this does additive and subtractive
Nov 09 13:44:18 <ad2> err synth rox*
Nov 09 13:44:40 <tm604> ad2: plenty of example code out there - musicdsp.org is a good resource.
Nov 09 13:44:41 <ad2> root66, keep in mind you will face lot of latency and performance problem on android
Nov 09 13:44:56 <ad2> tm604, yes i used a lot of code (ported from C) to my app :)
Nov 09 13:44:58 <root66> which part of "already working" do you not understand?
Nov 09 13:45:01 <ad2> awesome source, musicdsp
Nov 09 13:45:05 <HDroid> mesuutt: I like http://code.google.com/p/resting/
Nov 09 13:45:11 <ad2> but always read the comments, because sometimes it's buggy as hell
Nov 09 13:45:50 <root66> there is indeed a slight latency, but it is manageable even on previous generation devices (I have an inc2/vivow)
Nov 09 13:46:20 <root66> a buffer size of only 16 works on this device
Nov 09 13:46:22 <ad2> root66, another problem is to have a stable bpm
Nov 09 13:46:31 <root66> ad2: not when you are writing to the audiotrack
Nov 09 13:46:49 <root66> you do the math and write it at the proper position
Nov 09 13:46:50 <ad2> seriously, writing to audiotrack has nothing to do with the bpm
Nov 09 13:46:52 <root66> it can't possibly be off beat
Nov 09 13:46:53 <ad2> it's about threads
Nov 09 13:47:04 <root66> wrong
Nov 09 13:47:08 <tm604> either the buffer is ready, or it's not and you get nasty audio glitches
Nov 09 13:47:10 <ad2> if i told you that, it's because i faced it
Nov 09 13:47:16 <root66> then you did it wrong
Nov 09 13:47:21 <ad2> feeding audiotrack is the easiest part
Nov 09 13:47:23 <root66> tm604 is right
Nov 09 13:47:32 <root66> you just do the math and put it at the right byte position in the buffer
Nov 09 13:47:36 <root66> it's either on beat or it glitches out
Nov 09 13:47:40 <root66> it's not offbeat if you did it right
Nov 09 13:48:02 <dioHere> I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Can anyone help me please?
Nov 09 13:48:07 <ad2> it's not so easy, seriously :/
Nov 09 13:48:15 <root66> and I am not such a rookie, seriously
Nov 09 13:48:19 <tm604> although for certain styles of audio, causing those glitches deliberately could work as an effect, and then you *would* have problems with bpm drift ;)
Nov 09 13:48:36 <ad2> yeah i don't want to offend you root66, sorry if that was the case
Nov 09 13:48:41 <ad2> i really give my feedback, simply
Nov 09 13:49:16 <root66> I am not an expert at java or at programming in general, but I have written things like physics engines that deal with time dilation
Nov 09 13:49:19 <root66> so this is a walk in the park
Nov 09 13:49:28 <ad2> yeah but you have to take in account the platform and the os
Nov 09 13:49:32 <ad2> believe me, it's limited
Nov 09 13:49:45 <root66> well like I said, I have a buffer of only 16 samples
Nov 09 13:49:54 <root66> which is lower than what fruityloops can do on a non ASIO audio device in windows
Nov 09 13:50:08 <ad2> minimum buffer audiotrack eat is in the order of thousands bytes
Nov 09 13:50:09 <tm604> you using ndk for the audio processing, or Java?
Nov 09 13:50:19 <ad2> audiotrack is at sdk level
Nov 09 13:50:22 <root66> just java
Nov 09 13:50:23 <ad2> not at ndk
Nov 09 13:50:40 <ad2> ndk is alsa, iirc
Nov 09 13:50:40 <root66> [08:49a] [ad2] minimum buffer audiotrack eat is in the order of thousands bytes <-- you can write 1 byte at a time actually
Nov 09 13:50:50 <root66> but I needed at least 2 to avoid popping even with one sine wave
Nov 09 13:50:53 * ad2 gives up. lol
Nov 09 13:50:56 <root66> 16 once I got up to 2 oscs and harmonics
Nov 09 13:51:12 <ad2> you can parallelize multiples audiotracks without any impact
Nov 09 13:51:25 <ad2> it's not the issue (in performance, it's not costly)
Nov 09 13:51:27 <mikedg_> java is too high latency, so i do all my processing on my home computer and stream it
Nov 09 13:51:47 <tm604> 16 bytes does not sound like too high latency to me!
Nov 09 13:51:50 <tm604> s/bytes/samples/
Nov 09 13:52:04 <root66> yeah it's not very high at all
Nov 09 13:52:08 <root66> you can totally bang out a ditty
Nov 09 13:52:29 <root66> but if you were a pianist trying to play a real song 16 samples owuld be a nightmare
Nov 09 13:52:43 <thana> hello
Nov 09 13:53:11 <root66> I get what ad2 is saying. it could never be a professional instrument because of the latency even though it is small
Nov 09 13:53:26 <root66> whereas iStuff has an asio-like latency
Nov 09 13:53:43 <root66> but it is definitely something that could be programmed for non-live instrumentation
Nov 09 13:53:45 <tm604> hmm. even at 22kHz, 16 samples is less than a millisecond, sound takes longer than that to get from the speakers to your ears.
Nov 09 13:53:56 * alankila wonders in which world 16 samples (frames?) is a long latency
Nov 09 13:53:58 <thana> i wonder why sometimes google just stopd sending GCM pushes to my test devices... actually everything works but suddenly it just stops sending anything althuogh the devices succesfully registered and google tells my server it accepted the messages..
Nov 09 13:54:01 <ad2> root66, problem is thread!
Nov 09 13:54:03 <thana> any ideas?
Nov 09 13:54:03 <ad2> you will see
Nov 09 13:54:13 <ad2> equal resource distribution to have a stable thread, so a stable tempo
Nov 09 13:54:25 <root66> tm604: the buffer size is not the only thing affecting latency
Nov 09 13:54:25 <mikedg_> ad2: how many are you sending
Nov 09 13:54:30 <ad2> it's not about continuously feeding audiotrack
Nov 09 13:54:30 <root66> the time it takes for onTouch is a huge factor
Nov 09 13:54:33 <mikedg_> GCM implements a backoff if you send too many i think
Nov 09 13:54:43 <ad2> <mikedg_> ad2: how many are you sending <- how many what?
Nov 09 13:54:57 <mikedg_> thana i meant :/
Nov 09 13:55:01 <thana> hehe
Nov 09 13:55:04 <thana> guessed so ;)
Nov 09 13:55:08 <mikedg_> like you wouldnt use GCM to send every message of this irc channel to a user
Nov 09 13:55:13 <root66> when you subtract the touchscreen latency there is almost no latency with my current setup
Nov 09 13:55:18 <root66> just saying
Nov 09 13:55:24 <ad2> DDMS is usefull to see what is costly
Nov 09 13:55:32 <thana> mikedg_: yes but i can see the result -- i already have the message id from google while the devices do not receiv anything..
Nov 09 13:55:33 <ad2> it's not the touchscreen
Nov 09 13:55:36 <root66> if I *did* have another thread, what would I be doing with it?
Nov 09 13:56:38 <root66> I mean, all I am doing is writing bytes to a buffer array 32 at a time, and clearly I can write faster than the audiotrack can catch up
Nov 09 13:56:43 <root66> so where is the bebbefit of threading?
Nov 09 13:56:45 <root66> benefit*
Nov 09 13:57:12 <ad2> mikedg, ah the buffer size? i got several buffer, the one from audiotrack is driven by the getminimumbuffer size (cannot do less than what it is return), then i have other buffers between 128 and 256 byte
Nov 09 13:57:14 <ad2> s
Nov 09 13:57:51 <root66> still though... the only goal is for audiotrack to never run out of buffer
Nov 09 13:57:56 <ad2> <root66> so where is the bebbefit of threading? <- first benefit is to leave the UI thread for UI thingies
Nov 09 13:58:08 <root66> dude the audio loop is not in the UI thread
Nov 09 13:58:12 <root66> wham am I, 12?
Nov 09 13:58:20 <alankila> 66, perhaps
Nov 09 13:58:24 <ad2> oO why are you offensed lol
Nov 09 13:58:35 <ad2> if you don't do any thread, you end up in the UI thread
Nov 09 13:58:39 <ad2> which is bad.
Nov 09 13:58:47 <root66> you think I wrote a multiosc subtractive synth but I don't know not to put the main loop in the UI thread?
Nov 09 13:58:49 <root66> *flips table*
Nov 09 13:58:59 <ad2> you ask what is the benefit of threading
Nov 09 13:59:03 <ad2> i told you the first obvious one
Nov 09 13:59:20 <root66> I assumed you meant multiple threading, not "you don't deserve to live unless you at least have one separate thread" threading
Nov 09 13:59:23 <ad2> no offense there mate, keep cool
Nov 09 13:59:30 <alankila> I've been wondering for some time what the 'subtractive' part means in that synth. Perhaps I should google that...
Nov 09 13:59:31 <root66> *calmly puts table back*
Nov 09 13:59:54 <ad2> multiple threading is usefull for applying effects per example
Nov 09 13:59:56 <root66> alankila: with a subtractive synth, you start out having all of the harmonics for your main frequency added into the voice
Nov 09 14:00:04 <ad2> there are zillion of reasons i nfact, i'm not going to be exhaustive
Nov 09 14:00:04 <root66> then you use a filter to dial it back
Nov 09 14:00:22 <alankila> I see. I understand the name though, although in fairness a filter could boost the harmonics too.
Nov 09 14:00:34 <root66> yes, that is what resonance is
Nov 09 14:00:44 <ad2> resonance is awesome :)
Nov 09 14:00:57 <root66> when you turn up resonance, it boosts the area where you aim the filter, even if the filter's goal is to cut off everything before it
Nov 09 14:01:03 <root66> so its like a speedbump right before the ramp
Nov 09 14:01:12 <root66> higher resonance = higher speedbump
Nov 09 14:03:26 <root66> now I have to write the code for the cutoff filter I just described
Nov 09 14:03:44 <alankila> biquad time?
Nov 09 14:03:48 <ad2> musicdsp is full of filters, you can take a look there
Nov 09 14:03:52 <docmur> I want to center my home icon in my actionbar, I set the icon using getSupportActionBar().setIcon(R.drawable.cvp);  My question is how do I center it?  What would I put in the style file?  Or can I do it programmatically
Nov 09 14:04:06 <root66> thanks, but the whole point of this project is learning it from scratch
Nov 09 14:04:15 <root66> and documenting my journey
Nov 09 14:04:21 <ad2> :)
Nov 09 14:04:31 <ad2> i could not start from scratch, on my side tbh
Nov 09 14:04:53 <root66> I literally had to look up what PCM is and what a WAV file is
Nov 09 14:04:56 <root66> how to build the header
Nov 09 14:05:02 <root66> then I wrote 1 second of A440 to a file
Nov 09 14:05:05 <root66> took it from there
Nov 09 14:05:18 <tdignan_> 5th guitar string :)
Nov 09 14:05:19 <ad2> no need header for audiotrack!! this will produce this glitch/crack sound at begining of your wav
Nov 09 14:05:26 <ad2> remove these 44 bytes iirc
Nov 09 14:05:32 <alankila> PCM is troublematic and inaccurate term for waveforms. Perhaps once, in long past history, wav files contained pcm data. These days this is not how they are interpreted.
Nov 09 14:05:36 <tdignan_> also dialtone?
Nov 09 14:05:36 <root66> I don't play the header to audiotrack
Nov 09 14:06:03 <tdignan_> alankila: i think you invented a new word :)
Nov 09 14:06:04 <root66> alankila: java says it's pcm data
Nov 09 14:06:06 <ad2> yup alankila
Nov 09 14:06:07 <root66> whether it is or not, I won't debate
Nov 09 14:06:22 <ad2> it's just raw waveform at a specified sample rate
Nov 09 14:06:24 <Hodapp> alankila: What do WAV files contain nowadays?
Nov 09 14:06:25 <ad2> that's all.
Nov 09 14:06:41 <root66> according to wikipedia, pcm
Nov 09 14:06:42 <p_l|work> Hodapp: whatever codec is specified
Nov 09 14:06:50 <alankila> "pcm data", but what is going out of the D/A is not what looks like the grayed area there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pcm.svg
Nov 09 14:07:23 <p_l|work> alankila: you know D/A can smooth them out?
Nov 09 14:07:23 <alankila> there are no steps in the analog output.
Nov 09 14:07:25 <Hodapp> alankila: I expect it'd look more like the red, after accounting for any consequences of it probably being DC-coupled
Nov 09 14:07:29 <alankila> p_l|work: yes.
Nov 09 14:07:40 <Hodapp> It's going to be a bandpass output.
Nov 09 14:07:48 <p_l|work> alankila: the thing is, the data you have *is* that grayed area, unless you use fp16 or fp32 samples
Nov 09 14:07:50 <alankila> I was just saying that when people speak of PCM, the "pulses" can again be the implied model.
Nov 09 14:07:51 <root66> alankila: thats why samplerate has to be >= 2*highest_frew
Nov 09 14:07:54 <ad2> the audioprocessor might "anti-aliases" the gap between each sample to mimic analog, but sometimes it's far from accurate
Nov 09 14:08:10 <root66> mostly wrong
Nov 09 14:08:47 <p_l|work> that's why I still meet people who swear by analog mixing etc.
Nov 09 14:08:53 <Hodapp> ad2: It's not about mimicking analog at that point; it more *is* analog at that point, and almost always put through a bandpass.
Nov 09 14:08:59 <root66> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem
Nov 09 14:09:07 <alankila> for the purpose of this discussion, I'll define a pulse as instantenous switch in the output voltage of the DAC. This model is correct for some old home computers such as the Amiga 1200 by the way, but no respectable audio system will generate hard edges like that.
Nov 09 14:09:07 <ad2> shannon rox :) entropy powa
Nov 09 14:09:09 <Hodapp> root66: little fun fact: It can be lower, actually.
Nov 09 14:09:11 <root66> if samplerate >= 2*highest it can reproduce it
Nov 09 14:09:15 <ad2> Hodapp, yes
Nov 09 14:09:43 <root66> otherwise you have to AA it
Nov 09 14:09:43 <Hodapp> root66: however, this is primarily when you are dealing with a bandpass signal in which your _minimum_ frequency is moved far away from zero.
Nov 09 14:10:28 <root66> Hodapp: yeah, which is why I wondered why WAVE headers don't have a minFreq value
Nov 09 14:10:41 <alankila> the correct interpretation for the sample data is "the instantenous analog level at that point of time". Sample is instantenous voltage/pressure or whatever variable you have.
Nov 09 14:10:49 <root66> you could get more info if it had that, right?
Nov 09 14:10:53 <Hodapp> root66: but if you have, for instance, a signal that is limited between 99 and 101 MHz, you certainly don't have to sample at 202 MHz.
Nov 09 14:10:56 <ad2> 'im using polynomial third order formula to "smooth" the sound (also usefull for anticlipping method when it goes like a square)
Nov 09 14:11:02 <ad2> and not costly.
Nov 09 14:11:29 <alankila> thus the most correct representation for sampled data is points with no lines or any other graphs connecting them. When it's realized as dac output, it becomes contiguous, and how it's filled in is a technical detail of the dac system.
Nov 09 14:11:29 <root66> Hodapp: why not?
Nov 09 14:11:42 <root66> you absolutely do, in fact
Nov 09 14:11:45 <ad2> totally agreed with alankila
Nov 09 14:12:02 <ad2> this is why i said it depends your audioprocessor and how it is dealing with samples and their gap
Nov 09 14:12:23 <Hodapp> root66: No, you only _have_ to sample at 202 MHz if your signal is a lowpass signal from 0 to 101 MHz.
Nov 09 14:12:51 <root66> oh, I get it
Nov 09 14:12:58 <root66> you're right
Nov 09 14:13:02 <maraz> and even then, the 101 MHz signal will be a square wave.
Nov 09 14:13:19 <root66> which goes back to if WAVE had a minFreq value you could have a lower samplerate and smaller file
Nov 09 14:13:27 * ad2 thinks the chan #android-dev turned into #android-dsp or #dsp :D
Nov 09 14:13:28 <root66> which I suppose is the very first step in audio compression
Nov 09 14:13:44 <Hodapp> root66: however, minfreq = 20 Hz or so doesn't really give you any extra headroom worth messing with
Nov 09 14:13:45 <maraz> as in you can't have a sine wave at the nyquist frequency
Nov 09 14:14:00 <root66> agreed, and 20 is about the starting point
Nov 09 14:14:01 <Hodapp> maraz: Opposite. You can ONLY have a sine wave at the Nyquist.
Nov 09 14:14:09 <alankila> maraz: no, no, no. What it IS depends on how you choose to interpolate it. It's not square wave. You don't KNOW what it is.
Nov 09 14:14:15 <maraz> very true
Nov 09 14:14:26 <Hodapp> maraz: Any other wave contains harmonics above the Nyquist that you cannot reproduce.
Nov 09 14:14:45 <alankila> again, I VERY strongly suggest people to look at sampled data as just points. You have no information about the waveform in between the points.
Nov 09 14:14:58 <Hodapp> maraz: And if your signal is truly band-limited to have no content about 101 MHz, then the only thing it *can* be is a sinewave.
Nov 09 14:15:20 <alankila> though if you know that the highest frequency was the nyquist in the original data, you can perfectly reconstruct the original waveform from the sampled points
Nov 09 14:15:38 <ad2> the only way to have info of waveform between points is to have a waveform vizualiser, oscilloscope etc..
Nov 09 14:15:40 <Hodapp> maraz: If you had any content above 101 MHz in what you sampled, then you'd have the major issue that that content would be folded into a lower frequency, which is aliasing and is a problem.
Nov 09 14:15:44 <ad2> and FFT is not accurate if you need accuracy on that :)
Nov 09 14:15:56 <Hodapp> ad2:
Nov 09 14:15:58 <ad2> and old taken from analog output
Nov 09 14:16:06 <dioHere> I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Any ideas why that could be happening?
Nov 09 14:16:06 <ad2> from what you hear, hte last part of the audiochain
Nov 09 14:16:09 <Hodapp> ad2: Actually, the FFT is perfectly accurate within what you did your bandlimited sampling.
Nov 09 14:16:17 <maraz> Hodapp: um.. yes. given that the sampling rate is phase-locked with the sampled material and you record a 101 MHz sine wave at 202 MHz sampling rate, won't your samples be limited to the peaks and valleys of the signal?
Nov 09 14:16:51 <alankila> maraz: that information is sufficient to reconstruct the sinewave, you know. If you know that is the case, you just fit the 101 MHz sinewave through the sampled points
Nov 09 14:17:00 <maraz> _if_ you know
Nov 09 14:17:23 <ad2> Hodapp, not sure my FFT visualizer is taking the "real output", so it does not consider the audio processor and how he deals with points
Nov 09 14:17:27 <alankila> yes, but we have analog reconstruction filters that in principle can "discover" the original frequencies of the signal and fill in the missing sinewave fragments at correct intensities and phases
Nov 09 14:17:44 <alankila> this is a stupid way to put it, but the point is, we do this kind of "fitting of sine waves" all the time
Nov 09 14:17:46 <maraz> perhaps this is different for high-frequency signals, but at least at the audio frequencies you'll never want to record a 22050Hz tone onto a CD
Nov 09 14:18:14 <Hodapp> maraz: All real systems use lowpasses whose cutoff is not infinitely sharp, so generally there is headroom left there.
Nov 09 14:18:18 <alankila> the real problem of course is that the filter is very, very expensive the closer to nyquist it must reconstruct accurately.
Nov 09 14:19:00 <ad2> expensive, especially in software :/
Nov 09 14:19:15 <ad2> a simple hardware component has less problem to deal with exponent or pow
Nov 09 14:19:28 <alankila> but for instance, audio applications typically reconstruct correctly to 20 kHz and then do whatever from 20 kHz to nyquist of the signal
Nov 09 14:19:43 <Hodapp> ad2: There is no 'how he deals with points'. Fourier Transform, for all cases where you've verified that you've sampled properly, is a 1:1 transform to and from the original source, and if you've sampled properly, you can reconstruct exactly the input waveform.
Nov 09 14:19:58 <brickhead> Guys I've a crypto question
Nov 09 14:20:28 <brickhead> I'm trying to read a file using RandomAccessFile, the file is encrypted with AES/CBC
Nov 09 14:20:49 <brickhead> I've been told CBC won't work with random access
Nov 09 14:20:58 <Hodapp> Frequency-domain and time-domain are just two equivalent representations of the same signal; there's no "faking" anything involved.
Nov 09 14:21:02 <alankila> brickhead: true, CBC requires the entire stream to be decoded until that point
Nov 09 14:21:28 <ad2> Hodapp, i thought everything not analog (infinite number of points between two points) iis limited by the granularity you can reach in 'non-analog' (including fourier)
Nov 09 14:21:35 <ad2> i need more knowledge anyway :)
Nov 09 14:21:46 <brickhead> alankila: what are the alternatives? When I was using ECB, I was told to use CBC as it supports IV
Nov 09 14:22:14 <alankila> brickhead: if you need random access, for instance reinitialize the CBC cipher every 4096 bytes or whatever granularity is convenient to you
Nov 09 14:22:23 <Hodapp> ad2: Quantization is a separate issue
Nov 09 14:22:24 <ad2> CBC is chaining your IV, from the start of the communication to each block of packet
Nov 09 14:22:38 <ad2> yes thx!! that was the term: Quantization
Nov 09 14:22:40 <alankila> calculate the initialization vector using a cryptographically secure pseudorandomization scheme from a key and block number
Nov 09 14:23:17 <ad2> (and the IV is not the same passed, after each block)
Nov 09 14:24:06 <ad2> it prevents replay-attack, but not only
Nov 09 14:25:09 <brickhead> alankila: Is there a project I could look at for this?
Nov 09 14:25:25 <alankila> and I'd suggest also appending a hash digest to every 4096 byte segment so that one can validate that the decrypted data was decrypted correctly before using it. These CBC and similar schemes allow you to corrupt the data and depending on where the corruption is, it might not even be noticeable
Nov 09 14:25:42 <alankila> brickhead: uh, every full-disk encryption system ever
Nov 09 14:26:06 <alankila> or well, not exactly ever. They used to be insecure until people realized that every block must be decrypted with a different key/iv/whatever combo
Nov 09 14:27:59 <dioHere> nobody has an idea on how to help me please?
Nov 09 14:28:16 <ad2> brickhead, you can take a look of the javacard project with 3DES it's a good start
Nov 09 14:28:28 <brickhead> so what's the worst would happen if I don't us IV, the generate blocks would always be same on each system for a give file, right ?
Nov 09 14:28:45 <brickhead> ad2: thanks I'll take a look
Nov 09 14:29:15 <alankila> Also people seem to prefer XTS chaining these days
Nov 09 14:30:09 <ad2> talking about crypto, nice article forwarded by a friend recently: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_ccs12.pdf
Nov 09 14:30:41 <ad2> (does your irc client validates your cert(s)? :))
Nov 09 14:36:07 <brx_> im working on an app, when i test it on the device via eclipse it runs fine. however all of a sudden when i install and run it from the market i get a classnotfound exception
Nov 09 14:36:26 <brx_> (i uninstall the app first prior to installing/running the market version)
Nov 09 14:36:27 <ad2> do you use proguard?
Nov 09 14:37:03 <brx_> ad2, tbh ive never taken into account progruard, i think eclipse adds this automatically?
Nov 09 14:37:38 <brx_> it worked last night grrr, i didnt change anything
Nov 09 14:37:40 <ad2> hum not sure, but by default it should not break anything assuming proguard is taken in account (but i doubt)
Nov 09 14:38:03 <ad2> brx_, sometimes because of how things are handled in aapt & eclipse, you really need to clean before building
Nov 09 14:38:16 <brx_> ok i will try that now
Nov 09 14:38:27 <ad2> so as an advice, always clean everything before building and signing what you will export to Google play
Nov 09 14:38:52 <brx_> ok thanks i will try now
Nov 09 14:38:57 <ad2> but it's a bit obscure if your case has nothing to do with proguard or cleaning
Nov 09 14:39:11 <brickhead> brx_: proguard is disabled by default, check your project.properties this line should be commented
Nov 09 14:39:12 <brickhead> proguard.config=${sdk.dir}/tools/proguard/proguard-android.txt:proguard-project.txt
Nov 09 14:40:01 <brx_> brickhead, i checked now, the line is commented out..i should uncomment it?
Nov 09 14:40:38 <brickhead> well that's alright, it means proguard is disabled
Nov 09 14:42:35 <brx_> uploadeing the new (cleaned) version to the market, i hope this works :O
Nov 09 14:43:04 <brx_> weird, i didnt change anything, just woke up today and installed the latest version from the market which i uploaded last night, and i get the classnotfound exception
Nov 09 14:43:08 <brx_> never seen this before :s
Nov 09 14:43:20 <ad2> <brx_> uploadeing the new (cleaned) version to the market, i hope this works :O <- don't forget it can takes time to propagate
Nov 09 14:43:31 <ad2> what you can do is directly take the signed apk and put it in your device
Nov 09 14:43:42 <ad2> if you don't want to wait between 1 hour and half a day
Nov 09 14:43:50 <piotro> Hi, I have spent half of the day to figure out how to block Ctrl-Alt-Del key combination typed on an USB keyboard. Currently it causes my device (Samsung Galaxy Tab) to reboot. Any idea how to handle it?
Nov 09 14:44:03 <brx_> ye i know ad2, i had waited 10 hours, i uploaded last thing before bed last night
Nov 09 14:44:33 <ad2> yeah so if you need to verify fast (to not impact your user to download another "messy" version), first upload your signed apk to your test device(s)
Nov 09 14:44:40 <ad2> if all ok, then upload to google play
Nov 09 14:44:57 <brx_> k ad2
Nov 09 14:46:46 <brx_> i pushed apk to device and it seems to have worked. all being well when this version has propogated it will work (fingers crossed)
Nov 09 14:48:20 <mikedg_> piotro: why are you hitting that combination?
Nov 09 14:51:56 <piotro> mikedg_: I am writing something like RDP client. I am catching all keyboard events and sending them to remote desktop. The problem is that I cannot catch Ctrl-Alt-Del or at least block it. Ctrl-Alt-Del is used very often on Windows systems.
Nov 09 14:54:37 <ad2> piotro, it might be conflicting with anti-keylogging feature (there is no feature like this, but still, it should not be easy to catch the keystroke)
Nov 09 14:56:42 <dioHere> Sorry for asking again. I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Any ideas why th
Nov 09 14:59:08 <Sculptor> hi!
Nov 09 15:02:32 <piotro> Anyway, Ctrl-Alt-Del is a really dangerous combination. One may hit it by mistake and there is no dialog to confirm it, the system will reboot immediately. No modern system (Windows, Linux) allows the user to shoot himself in the knee so easily.
Nov 09 15:06:45 <ad2> piotro, I understand you're screwed if you cannot prevent your Android device to reboot :/ did you look, however, in settings/keyboard/showextented keys
Nov 09 15:06:54 <ad2> it might be possible on some Android to disable this feature
Nov 09 15:10:46 <piotro> <ad2> thanks, I will look at it
Nov 09 15:13:29 <docmur> What is the best way to handle a left / right swipe gesture on a Webview to change the URL data
Nov 09 15:15:57 <ivdorelian> has anyone ever experienced image stretching when setting the background of a RelativeView?
Nov 09 15:16:42 <ivdorelian> both my image and the relativeview are the size of the screen, but on a 10" galaxy tab the image usually stretches upwards, as if the view was taller than the screen is
Nov 09 15:17:02 <ivdorelian> it doesn't always happen on that device, and on other devices i havent seen it happen at all
Nov 09 15:17:35 <ivdorelian> this is how i set it:         final RelativeLayout rl = (RelativeLayout)findViewById(R.id.bgMain);
Nov 09 15:17:36 <ivdorelian>         rl.setBackgroundDrawable(new BitmapDrawable(getResources(), GameResources.BG_MAIN));
Nov 09 15:23:30 <mikedg_> anyone use j2objc
Nov 09 15:32:58 <dioHere> Anyone please? I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Any ideas why that could 
Nov 09 15:52:52 <mesuutt> HDroid: I decided to use Resting for Rest client.How can I use it?. I added resting-0.7-dev-release-android.jar and dependencies to libs directory and I added libraries to the build path. But I dont know how can I use resting in activity? and how can I check for correct install?
Nov 09 15:54:11 <mesuutt> somebody can help me for how to install resting rest client library?
Nov 09 15:55:07 <brx_> wtf is wrong here i have no idea :s
Nov 09 15:55:37 <brx_> i put an upgrade of my app onto the market last night. I downloaded it this moring to test it on my usual device and I get classnotfound exception
Nov 09 16:05:29 <docmur_> I'm trying to implement swipes in my WebView to move between webpages, I can capture the X swipe but it disables the scrolling, is there a way to re-enable it
Nov 09 16:07:19 <LuigiBairesDev> Hi, I have a question regardin MediaPlayer. I'm getting an IllegalStateException when calling mediaplayer.prepareAsync, but if I call just mediaplayer.prepare I got no error. What could it be ?
Nov 09 16:13:14 <evancharlton> LuigiBairesDev: pastebin your code
Nov 09 16:14:08 <baptistem> hey folks! I'm working with a lot of files in assets/ and sometimes adb say "Application already deployed. No need to reinstall." how can I avoid this?
Nov 09 16:16:58 <Jokr> question, i want a threaded class that will run throughout the lifetime of my app that constantly checks my internet connectivity, what should i look into? Broadcast Receiver?
Nov 09 16:17:49 <brx_> evancharlton, could you hazard a guess as to why my app isn no longer working? I get ClassNotFoundException when I install from playstore but not when I push the app apk
Nov 09 16:18:11 <brx_> I only made a couple of minor changes in this build
Nov 09 16:19:30 <LuigiBairesDev> #evancharlton here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/LnAv0TYh , thanks
Nov 09 16:20:50 <LuigiBairesDev> the code is a little bit of a mess, just search for prepareMediaPlayer
Nov 09 16:21:15 <evancharlton> brx_: got a stack trace?
Nov 09 16:21:38 <brx_> i will save from catlog on device and pastebin, 2 minutes
Nov 09 16:23:21 <evancharlton> LuigiBairesDev: where are you getting the IllegalStateException? Could you post a stacktrace, too?
Nov 09 16:23:27 <evancharlton> I just want to be sure of what's going on
Nov 09 16:25:41 <LuigiBairesDev> Thanks, here is the trace: http://pastebin.com/jjPMa03Q
Nov 09 16:26:07 <dioHere> Anyone please? I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Any ideas why that could 
Nov 09 16:26:07 <LuigiBairesDev> the null at the first line is the .getMessage() from the exception
Nov 09 16:27:04 <brx_> evancharlton,  http://pastebin.com/Kgd2UvFz
Nov 09 16:27:32 <brx_> i no im not an expert but in 3 years of android dev i didnt ever see this before and its so frustrating :<
Nov 09 16:28:21 <brx_> ive tried it on 2 devices (installing from market)
Nov 09 16:29:16 <evancharlton> LuigiBairesDev: the only thing I can think of is that you're preparing the mediaplayer twice and it's calling prepareAsync() while it's in the preparing state
Nov 09 16:29:27 <evancharlton> this obviously wouldn't happen with .prepare() because it's a blocking call
Nov 09 16:29:31 <evancharlton> brx_: one second, sorry
Nov 09 16:29:47 <brx_> no worries take your time
Nov 09 16:29:49 <explodes> My Animation is not showing inside of a scroll view...
Nov 09 16:29:54 <evancharlton> LuigiBairesDev: I would check your logs and see if .prepareAsync() is called twice in a row
Nov 09 16:30:23 <evancharlton> brx_: is this being run through proguard?
Nov 09 16:31:06 <evancharlton> if you take that APK and try to install it directly, do you hit this as well?
Nov 09 16:31:08 <evancharlton> (the one that you upload to Play Store)
Nov 09 16:31:40 <brx_> it works when i install the apk directly
Nov 09 16:31:47 <brx_> or run via eclipse
Nov 09 16:32:00 <brx_> i chcked propeject.properties the proguard line is commented out
Nov 09 16:32:18 <Jokr> question, i want a threaded class that will run throughout the lifetime of my app that constantly checks my internet connectivity, what should i look into? Broadcast Receiver?
Nov 09 16:32:23 <LuigiBairesDev> thanks for the hint, I'll try that!
Nov 09 16:32:23 <evancharlton> to clarify, you're installing the same APK that you're uploading to play store?
Nov 09 16:32:35 <brx_> yes
Nov 09 16:32:43 <docmur_> I have some code: http://pastebin.com/5tSgdMHB that detects X axis movement which inturn changes the webview.  When I use ScrollView instead of LinearLayout I can scroll up and down but the screen switch on the axis constrantly doesn't work because the screen scrolls. Is there a better way to go about this, I'm trying to get it so when I switch left / right the screen changes
Nov 09 16:32:49 <evancharlton> Jokr: likely a service, but why not just check with ConnectivityManager?
Nov 09 16:32:51 <evancharlton> brx_: hm!
Nov 09 16:32:58 <evancharlton> brx_: is this live on Play now?
Nov 09 16:33:11 <evancharlton> (the version which crashes)
Nov 09 16:33:22 <brx_> it is, the last apk was uploaded over 3 hours ago so it should have gone live
Nov 09 16:33:34 <brx_> mind you its the same apk as i put on last night
Nov 09 16:33:46 <Jokr> evancharlton: because i will get a network activity on main thread exception and i want to use this "method (that checks if online or not)" in more than on activity
Nov 09 16:34:20 <evancharlton> Jokr: right, but you can just ask ConnectivityManager if there's an active internet connection
Nov 09 16:34:29 <ad2> i asked exactly same things to brx_ , but i noticed something weird in your stack trace just now: com.zealous.bpm.live
Nov 09 16:34:33 <ad2> it does not correspond to your app
Nov 09 16:34:49 <ad2> it's totally not the same product
Nov 09 16:35:29 <ad2> (seems that has nothing to do with com.dla.android)
Nov 09 16:35:54 <LuigiBairesDev> evancharlton: No good, I have all calls to prepareAsync encapsulated in a method called prepareMediaPlayer, the funny thing is that if I change prepareAsync for prepare,  it works and the video is reproduced.
Nov 09 16:36:57 <evancharlton> LuigiBairesDev: yeah, but do you see multiple calls to prepareMediaPlayer?
Nov 09 16:37:22 <LuigiBairesDev> No I didn't. It is beeing called just once
Nov 09 16:38:12 <evancharlton> ad2: com.dla.android and com.zealous.bpm.live are from two different people (LuigiBairesDev and brx_, respectively)
Nov 09 16:38:26 <ad2> omg i mixed oO
Nov 09 16:39:00 <ad2> but i have read: <brx_> evancharlton,  http://pastebin.com/Kgd2UvFz
Nov 09 16:39:03 <evancharlton> brx_: can you try uninstalling the version that's on your phone now and then try installing the version from Play?
Nov 09 16:39:06 <evancharlton> actually
Nov 09 16:39:08 <ad2> maybe my irc client is br0ken
Nov 09 16:39:20 <evancharlton> I don't know if you have root, but if you do, adb pull the existing version first
Nov 09 16:39:55 * ad2 is really confused
Nov 09 16:41:03 <Jokr> evancharlton: i thought there was a problem with that and the only way to find it is to actually download a packet. I.E you can be connected to WI-FI but there is no internet activity (stable)
Nov 09 16:47:15 <explodes> Aw man, this animation is killing me. It works when it is the only view in my activity (for testing purposes) but when I throw it into my real view hierarchy, I don't see the tween... The animation slides two views back and forth on click, the end of the animation sets the visibility of the respective elements to GONE or VISIBLE.  I only see THAT part of the animation, not the middle part where is actually animating....
Nov 09 16:47:49 <explodes> I've tried disabling the various caches on the scroll view and the parent of the views itself, but I get the same results...
Nov 09 16:48:18 <evancharlton> Jokr: well, if you want to go down that path, you will likely want a Service with a Thread inside of it
Nov 09 16:48:51 <evancharlton> which just does a while(true) { downloadPacket(); if (isCancelled()) return; }
Nov 09 16:48:58 <evancharlton> make sure to shut it down when you're done or you're going to have some very very unhappy users
Nov 09 16:49:49 <Jokr> evancharlton: do you understand what i am saying though or does:  ConnectivityManager connMgr = (ConnectivityManager)              getSystemService(Context.CONNECTIVITY_SERVICE);         NetworkInfo networkInfo = connMgr.getActiveNetworkInfo();         if (networkInfo != null && networkInfo.isConnected())
Nov 09 16:49:55 <Jokr> already solve it?
Nov 09 16:54:46 <explodes> ANYONE at ALL have ANY insight please
Nov 09 16:59:48 <tdignan> Weirdest thing... It seems i'm causing a PagerAdapter to hang up in instantiateItem() when I call addView on the ViewPager.
Nov 09 17:00:01 <tdignan> when I resume the activity, it fixes the problem
Nov 09 17:03:04 <dioHere> Anyone please? I want to show a dialog, and I am running the initialization of the dialog in UI thread. after the initialization the UI thread sends a message through a handler in order for the code to be continued. This works correctly in devices with 4.0 and 2.3.3. However in android 2.2 the onpause method is getting called before the acceptance of the handler message and that causes the app to crash. Any ideas why that could 
Nov 09 17:07:05 <evancharlton> Jokr: I believe that will solve it, but if you don't think that's sufficient, then ...
Nov 09 17:13:11 <canadiancow> evancharlton, i know ive had problems with that before
Nov 09 17:13:26 <canadiancow> "active" doenst always return "active" or something
Nov 09 17:13:51 <canadiancow> getActiveNetworkInfo().isConnected() was false, but looping through all the networkinfos had one that returned true
Nov 09 17:18:17 <factory80> http://pastebin.com/SMsxcD1A
Nov 09 17:18:26 <factory80> line 20 has an error
Nov 09 17:18:38 <factory80> raw cannot be resolved or is not a field
Nov 09 17:18:47 <factory80> i have a folder created called raw........
Nov 09 17:18:57 <factory80> but it isn't under res - is that the problem?
Nov 09 17:19:17 <tdignan> figured out my issue :)
Nov 09 17:19:29 <SimonVT> Well, R references resources in res/
Nov 09 17:19:30 <factory80> oh shit it needs to be in the res folder
Nov 09 17:19:31 <factory80> and it works
Nov 09 17:19:33 <factory80> BOOYAH
Nov 09 17:19:37 <tdignan> was a dumb move. made an assumption about an API wrapper I am using.
Nov 09 17:21:29 <hkhalid> Is "DownloadManager" the right thing to use if I want to download a file via http
Nov 09 17:37:22 <canadiancow> hkhalid, i think it's only available on 2.3+
Nov 09 17:37:34 <canadiancow> if that matters to you
Nov 09 17:37:36 <hkhalid> thanks
Nov 09 17:40:48 <DOSP> guys, Hi, can you help me how to create sliding drawer that opens only into half of screen ?
Nov 09 17:41:50 <sleepster> would anyone know why when I run "emulator" after builiding my project, it hangs at: " WARNING: system partition size adjusted to match image file (205 MB > 200 MB)"
Nov 09 17:51:48 <fakingfantastic> hey gang, is there a way to make a single EditText use the dark holo theme styles, when my app is set to use Light ?
Nov 09 17:52:37 <tdignan> man, ignition is cool but it has sooo much stuff in it
Nov 09 17:52:58 <tdignan> i just spent like a half hr picking files out of it
Nov 09 17:54:32 <evancharlton> fakingfantastic: yes, inflate it with the correct ThemedContext
Nov 09 17:54:52 <SimonVT> s/ThemedContext/ContextThemeWrapper/
Nov 09 17:55:25 <evancharlton> er, yeah
Nov 09 17:55:32 <SimonVT> Also, why..? You do know you'd get white text on a white background, right?
Nov 09 17:56:27 <fakingfantastic> SimonVT: that problem I'm having is that I'm using the Dark theme…. but this one form needs to be on a white bg, so i can't actually see the fields
Nov 09 17:56:43 <fakingfantastic> http://www.androidadb.com/class/android/view/ContextThemeWrapper.java.html SimonVT evancharlton this look like a good example to follow from… this is new to me
Nov 09 18:01:20 <sleepster> does anyone have any performance tips when running "emulator" .. it seems that qemu only supports 1 cpu when running android
Nov 09 18:01:23 <sleepster> which stinks
Nov 09 18:02:37 <tophyr> never noticed
Nov 09 18:03:01 <tophyr> would make sense why it's so balls slow tho, even on an 8-core box
Nov 09 18:04:02 <SpeedEvil> parrallelling single threaded princesses is hard.
Nov 09 18:04:07 <SpeedEvil> processes
Nov 09 18:04:18 <flam_> princesses:D
Nov 09 18:04:32 <SpeedEvil> work out a general way to do this, and you can make millions
Nov 09 18:07:31 <ad2> that's nice "lapsus" :)
Nov 09 18:15:32 <n20> Hello world!
Nov 09 18:16:43 <docmur> Is it possible to load a webview with URL data with out it being the active visiable webview?
Nov 09 18:17:17 <n20> Does it make sense having a ContentProvider with an insert(Uri, ContentValues) that calls upon SQLiteDatabase.replaceOrThrow(Uri, null, ContentValues) as we always want to *update* an existing row if it's already there?
Nov 09 18:21:51 <Sicp> I have this code here, http://pastie.org/5352325 I'm trying to send JSON (formatted with GSON) to my listening server on my localhost, it keeps coming up empty on the other side (my localhost) while I can very well print out the JSON formatted stuff in Logcat and I see that the data is fine and formatted properly
Nov 09 18:23:03 <Sicp> it's a question of setting the data to the post's body so that I could do "request.body" in my JS on the other side, all I'm getting now is an empty array
Nov 09 18:23:17 <Sicp> is this what I should be looking at? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9767952/how-to-add-parameters-to-httpurlconnection-using-post
Nov 09 18:23:29 <sleepster> is there  way to tell whether "emulator" is even doing anything? It is consuming 100% of one of my CPUs, but I am not sure if it is actually making progress
Nov 09 18:25:35 <kbs> sleepster: has it progressed to the poin where you can adb shell into it?
Nov 09 18:26:32 <sleepster> no not yet :( it says "error: device not found"
Nov 09 18:26:39 <sleepster> I have a pretty beefy machine too
Nov 09 18:26:44 <sleepster> dual xeons 2.4 GHZ
Nov 09 18:32:07 <nicoya> CC'ing my question from #android: does anyone know who to contact regarding getting the source and licensing for the windows ADB shim driver?
Nov 09 18:32:49 <lov> nicoya: probably google legal
Nov 09 18:33:12 <lov> if the android adb dll isn't part of source.android.com, you can probably mention that on b.android.com
Nov 09 18:33:27 <lov> I'm assuming that if the dll isn't in AOSP, it's not open source.
Nov 09 18:33:33 <nicoya> right
Nov 09 18:33:43 <lov> but since it's windows it doesn't really matter if it's FOSS because ~MICROSOFT~
Nov 09 18:34:22 <nicoya> yeah, you still need to get MS to sign it and shit or you have to jump through hoops to even load it
Nov 09 18:34:28 <nicoya> but I've got a project where that isn't really a problem
Nov 09 18:35:04 <zinx> erh, which dll is this that isn't open source?
Nov 09 18:35:56 <nicoya> the windows driver that ADB needs to connect to an android device over USB (because windows is retarded that way, and doesn't have a generic user-space USB api)
Nov 09 18:36:39 <p_l> nicoya: actually, there's etc. etc.
Nov 09 18:36:43 <nicoya> unless I've been misinformed and the code is hanging around somewhere I haven't found
Nov 09 18:36:49 <zinx> i need to make adb use libusb on all platforms :/
Nov 09 18:36:57 <zinx> would solve pretty much everything :P
Nov 09 18:37:15 <p_l> nicoya: it's possible (I think there's even libusb port), but you have to deal with people incapable of setting up ACLs in windows
Nov 09 18:37:17 <nicoya> eww, don't even start with libusb
Nov 09 18:37:45 <zinx> nicoya: name some other cross-platform USB library.  or any USB library that doesn't suck balls on Windows.
Nov 09 18:37:47 <p_l> nicoya: anyway, the one thing you need to do with ADB for windows is modify the .INF file to add the apropriate IDs
Nov 09 18:37:55 <zinx> (hint: builtin USB support is absolutely horrendous in Windows)
Nov 09 18:38:14 <zinx> nicoya: development/host/windows/usb/api/
Nov 09 18:38:29 <clever> zinx: its a pain to have to reinstall drivers if i happen to plug it into the wrong usb port
Nov 09 18:38:30 <nicoya> you don't need a cross-platform USB library. the base APIs on linux and mac are easier to use than going through libusb
Nov 09 18:38:37 <zinx> Apache License Version 2.0, January 2004
Nov 09 18:38:48 <zinx> nicoya: it would seem the ADB dlls are open source, just stored somewhere else
Nov 09 18:39:01 <nicoya> ah, ok
Nov 09 18:39:52 <p_l> clever: well, get yourself a newer windows, it didn't do that in NT6
Nov 09 18:40:05 <clever> p_l: it does that in windows xp, all the time
Nov 09 18:40:15 <zinx> nicoya: nicoya actual dir is development/host/windows/usb/ api's just the subdir with the source :x
Nov 09 18:40:15 <p_l> clever: well, your fault for using XP
Nov 09 18:40:22 <zinx> erh, minus the extra nick there
Nov 09 18:40:30 <clever> p_l: na, its microsoft's fault for making things worse with every version :P
Nov 09 18:40:40 <clever> p_l: i simply gave up and stopped taking their sh*t :P
Nov 09 18:40:49 <zinx> to be fair, USB support in Windows has been just as bad since Windows 95 when it was added
Nov 09 18:40:53 <p_l> clever: not really. The one truly bad stuff is the dashboard in Win8 and some of the Windows Store stuff
Nov 09 18:41:17 <clever> p_l: performance wise, things have been going downhill from what ive seen
Nov 09 18:41:19 <p_l> zinx: before NT5.0 there was no real hotplug
Nov 09 18:41:50 <zinx> p_l: oh, i was only commenting on the making things worse with every version :D
Nov 09 18:42:47 <p_l> clever: they didn't (actually, NT6.1 got faster)
Nov 09 18:43:09 <clever> p_l: i ran some stuff on a windows 95 laptop with a 50mhz cpu and 20mb of ram, it ran fine for years
Nov 09 18:43:11 <p_l> NT6 got short stick due to release pressure and having shit drivers
Nov 09 18:43:19 <clever> p_l: then i moved it to windows xp, 1.6ghz, over 400mb of ram
Nov 09 18:43:22 <clever> it ran like crap :P
Nov 09 18:43:24 <p_l> clever: which was much simpler software you were running
Nov 09 18:43:26 <clever> explain that
Nov 09 18:44:03 <p_l> clever: you used simpler software, also, programmers of the software you run suck in general, expecting Moore's Law to fix performance for them, and thinking that their program is the only one
Nov 09 18:44:26 <clever> it was the exact same services with the same load
Nov 09 18:44:38 <clever> the only thing that really changed was the os and hardware, both massively upgraded
Nov 09 18:44:39 <adq> complication of complexity is the explaination :)
Nov 09 18:44:55 <p_l> clever: quite certainly it wasn't. But you didn't notice the differences that happened
Nov 09 18:45:23 <p_l> I know when I have no difference in complexity, but I know my system from bottom up ;)
Nov 09 18:45:58 <clever> p_l: another thing i cant figure out, why does windows waste so much ram?
Nov 09 18:46:06 <clever> its got 219mb free right now
Nov 09 18:46:09 <p_l> ...
Nov 09 18:46:16 <p_l> you know nothing of memory management, right?
Nov 09 18:46:28 <clever> i know that linux puts it to use much better, with the file system cache
Nov 09 18:46:36 <adq> *.*
Nov 09 18:46:42 <zinx> p_l: windows does actually waste it, but that's another matter not involving free counts
Nov 09 18:46:44 <p_l> clever: that "free" memory is the memory *not* taken by file cache
Nov 09 18:46:50 <clever> yeah
Nov 09 18:46:54 <BtbN> Don't look at free. Look at Available.
Nov 09 18:46:59 <zinx> unused ram is wasted ram :D
Nov 09 18:46:59 <clever> i often see windows crawling along and getting bogged down in swap
Nov 09 18:47:05 <clever> and leaving tons of ram unused
Nov 09 18:47:07 <clever> zinx: exactly
Nov 09 18:47:11 <meetoman> wow, romainguy is gona be at andevcon
Nov 09 18:47:16 <p_l> clever: because cache pressure is incorrect?
Nov 09 18:47:20 <zinx> clever: yes, windows doesn't manage caches as well as Linux, and does tend to do weirdshit with swapping
Nov 09 18:47:23 <clever> BtbN: i am looking at available
Nov 09 18:47:43 <BtbN> then it's not windows wasting it, it's some application you have running
Nov 09 18:47:48 <zinx> recent Linux has been pretty bad when it hits swap, though
Nov 09 18:47:53 <p_l> clever: also, you use NT5.1... there was a lot of change in memory management since then
Nov 09 18:47:55 <clever> it appears to be using 1gig of swap, and has 200mb of ram free
Nov 09 18:48:02 <zinx> (or does a lot of disk I/O)
Nov 09 18:48:18 <adq> clever, some program required swap by how they are "using" the memory
Nov 09 18:48:28 <adq> this is why sometimes it's bad to disable entirely the swap
Nov 09 18:48:29 <zinx> i will say this - windows 7 runs miles better than vista did on my laptop.
Nov 09 18:48:38 <clever> adq: ??
Nov 09 18:48:41 <clever> swap is only for when its out of ram
Nov 09 18:48:44 <p_l> zinx: a big difference is that the drivers were done right
Nov 09 18:48:46 <p_l> clever: nope
Nov 09 18:48:50 <adq> no
Nov 09 18:49:06 <p_l> clever: swap is also for relieving cache pressure to maintain high i/o rate
Nov 09 18:49:16 <zinx> clever: sadly there is another reason for swap now - space for hibernation :P
Nov 09 18:49:24 <zinx> (aka sleep to disk)
Nov 09 18:49:24 <adq> yeah dumping ram :)
Nov 09 18:49:24 <p_l> zinx: windows uses separate files
Nov 09 18:49:27 <clever> p_l: thats just a case of not having enough ram for apps + cache
Nov 09 18:49:39 <zinx> p_l: true enough
Nov 09 18:49:39 <nicoya> it's definitely not hard to come up with situations where enabling swap results in less thrashing than having it disabled
Nov 09 18:49:41 <clever> zinx: windows has a dedicated file for that
Nov 09 18:49:42 <p_l> clever: which clearly some app takes out
Nov 09 18:50:11 <clever> zinx: hiberfil.sys
Nov 09 18:50:19 * p_l has 56MB cached according to "free" on 6G machine, with 5800MB "used", on his workstation
Nov 09 18:50:20 <zinx> clever: yes, i know
Nov 09 18:50:29 <clever> seperate from swap
Nov 09 18:50:40 <clever> p_l: thats what i want to see in winblows
Nov 09 18:50:44 <p_l> all because linux VM is shitty in reporting data, and I got a file cache that is separate from normal block cache
Nov 09 18:50:50 <p_l> clever: linux lies about memory use all the time
Nov 09 18:50:52 <nicoya> like if a process's memory space gets fragmented, or if a significant portion of the process's memory space is less active than what it might otherwise be used for were it to be swapped out
Nov 09 18:51:16 <p_l> clever: to the point that things that should work (and work on windows!) don't work right on linux
Nov 09 18:51:17 <adq> 4G cached here, on 8G with 4G available and 400MB free
Nov 09 18:51:18 <clever> nicoya: thats where 'swap-cached' comes in
Nov 09 18:51:20 <zinx> p_l: cache isn't the only thing linux has, it also has buffers :/
Nov 09 18:51:20 <adq> :-)
Nov 09 18:51:28 <clever> nicoya: it can be both in ram, and in cache at the same time
Nov 09 18:51:33 <nicoya> yeah
Nov 09 18:51:36 <p_l> zinx: block cache is counted as buffers
Nov 09 18:51:37 <adq> on macosx, there is a nice article about how memory managment is not what you think
Nov 09 18:51:44 <adq> it's also the same for many common OS
Nov 09 18:51:51 <zinx> p_l: you can also allocate memory in drivers that can be deallocated, though i'm not clear on how that's done or how it's reported
Nov 09 18:51:52 <clever> nicoya: if the os was wrong, it doesnt cost you time to get it back
Nov 09 18:51:56 <p_l> zinx: but ARC memory is counted as resident by kernel, because it doesn't use buffer infrastructure
Nov 09 18:52:00 <clever> and if the os was right, just drop the page and its free!
Nov 09 18:52:14 <nicoya> memory use is really about the clean/dirty ratio and how well the system does at reducing disk re-reads
Nov 09 18:52:15 <adq> it's not so simple, alas
Nov 09 18:52:29 <p_l> clever: anyway, keeping to winxp is *bad* decision
Nov 09 18:52:29 <clever> zinx: it sometimes shows up in /proc/slabinfo but not all of it is in slabs
Nov 09 18:52:57 <clever> p_l: thats also why dad bought a ps3, because he went thru all the work of upgrading the computer, only to find the games dont work on xp anymore
Nov 09 18:52:58 <p_l> go with win7, leave Aero running but disable extra effects
Nov 09 18:53:10 <zinx> "extra effects"?
Nov 09 18:53:24 * adq +1 p_l 
Nov 09 18:53:25 <zinx> but yeah, i use win7 for gaming, and it does a lot better than xp
Nov 09 18:53:38 <p_l> zinx: due to marketing issues, the naming is weird with Aero - you have Aero itself, and various effects running on top of it
Nov 09 18:53:40 <nicoya> but yeah, 7 is pretty much good enough to replace XP in almost every use case these days, if you must run windows
Nov 09 18:53:43 <zinx> i wouldn't recommend purchasing windows if you can't get it for like $10 though :P
Nov 09 18:53:49 <adq> Aero... Aqua... :D
Nov 09 18:53:57 <lov> Yeah, so, XP is about 12 years old at this point?
Nov 09 18:54:04 <adq> xp > /dev/null
Nov 09 18:54:06 <p_l> zinx: Aero itself is *faster* than classic GDI which is the only thing available on older windows
Nov 09 18:54:06 <lov> and it's going to be EOL'd after a couple of extensions very shortly?
Nov 09 18:54:08 <lov> so yeah
Nov 09 18:54:10 <zinx> p_l: to be honest, i have the fancy transparency effects enabled
Nov 09 18:54:11 <lov> you need to gtfo XP.
Nov 09 18:54:30 <zinx> p_l: because i don't see any performance difference :P
Nov 09 18:54:41 <lov> Also, I have the fancy aero stuff on because my graphics card is decent, and they're pretty shiny
Nov 09 18:54:43 <p_l> lov: it's already EOL'd, it's on life support due to corporate clients, who can't deal with the fact that NT6 stopped doing bug-for-bug compat
Nov 09 18:54:44 <nicoya> windows gets aero, mac gets aqua, and ubuntu gets lovely brown dirt
Nov 09 18:54:57 <lov> p_l: yes, basically.
Nov 09 18:54:58 <adq> yup support dropped year(s) ago
Nov 09 18:55:06 <g00s> thankfully ubuntu used to come with other nice themes :)
Nov 09 18:55:08 <p_l> nicoya: aero != aqua
Nov 09 18:55:34 <zinx> i've decided to start saying F.U. to people still on unsupported IE versions too, for the minimal web dev I do
Nov 09 18:55:42 <nicoya> just playing on the elemental associations
Nov 09 18:55:54 <zinx> because really, if you're using an IE that old, I don't want you on the internet.  You're just acting as a spam relay.
Nov 09 18:56:01 <p_l> zinx: today I found out the software I use doesn't work on anything other than IE :>
Nov 09 18:56:08 <p_l> at least it runs in IE9 in compat mode
Nov 09 18:56:19 <zinx> p_l: that's sadly quite common
Nov 09 18:56:31 <zinx> there are a number of large sites that only work correctly in IE
Nov 09 18:56:36 <zinx> less now, but there are still some out there
Nov 09 18:56:54 <adq> activeX is one of the cause
Nov 09 18:57:04 <p_l> zinx: well, we don't have to care, because quite possibly other browsers would be forbidden anyway
Nov 09 18:57:05 <adq> (still too much use in corporate environments)
Nov 09 18:57:43 <zinx> p_l: yeah
Nov 09 18:57:55 <zinx> ActiveX scares the bejesus out of me
Nov 09 18:58:11 <adq> java is scary :-) remember recently
Nov 09 18:58:17 <zinx> yes, let's run native code with browser priviledges, i don't see how that could possibly go wrong
Nov 09 18:58:28 <m00nl33n> guys can any1 help me about camera problem, i have logcat
Nov 09 18:58:35 <m00nl33n> its forcing to close
Nov 09 18:58:38 <zinx> m00nl33n: are you using the standard API?
Nov 09 18:58:48 <zinx> vs. accessing the native libraries directly
Nov 09 18:59:01 <m00nl33n> rooted phone with other rom
Nov 09 18:59:11 <m00nl33n> jelly bean
Nov 09 18:59:22 <zinx> is it your app or someone else's?
Nov 09 18:59:46 <m00nl33n> as much as i know its roms default i mean it must be
Nov 09 18:59:56 <SimonVT> #android-root
Nov 09 18:59:57 <m00nl33n> bcoz i installed the given gapps
Nov 09 19:00:08 <adq> m00nl33n, http://lesjoiesducode.tumblr.com/post/34692087813/quand-je-decouvre-un-force-close-juste-apres-ma (traduction: when I hit a forceclose just after submitted on Play Store)
Nov 09 19:00:29 <zinx> m00nl33n: you need to talk to the rom devs
Nov 09 19:00:51 <m00nl33n> he is unreachable maybe u know him, NIKHIL007 or sth like that
Nov 09 19:01:05 <p_l> zinx: well, fun thing is that you could have sandboxed the browser quite nicely... if you ran NT
Nov 09 19:01:09 <zinx> m00nl33n: camera breakage is a very common problem on custom roms (especially ones that are a different Android version than the stock one), and we can't do much about it here
Nov 09 19:01:13 <p_l> well, other than the broken messaging
Nov 09 19:01:40 <zinx> p_l: i was never interested in running IE anyway, because it didn't support HTML/CSS
Nov 09 19:01:41 <adq> CoreForce was great on NT, now it's almost native to the OS
Nov 09 19:01:41 <m00nl33n> replacing it would help ? i think it used to run normally
Nov 09 19:01:48 <zinx> p_l: only something similar to HTML/CSS :P
Nov 09 19:01:56 <m00nl33n> zinx: do you understand from logcat ?
Nov 09 19:02:06 <zinx> m00nl33n: this is not the right place for help
Nov 09 19:02:22 <m00nl33n> zinx: mate they always say this wherever i go
Nov 09 19:02:27 <zinx> m00nl33n: #android-root is the general channel for custom firmwares and such
Nov 09 19:02:30 <m00nl33n> ok thx
Nov 09 19:02:53 <zinx> m00nl33n: #android-dev is for Application development using firmwares that pass the CTS
Nov 09 19:03:21 <zinx> m00nl33n: usually firmwares have their own IRC channel on some network (often this one)
Nov 09 19:03:43 <zinx> m00nl33n: but if you don't know that #android-root is the general place - it's not always got people there that can help though :(
Nov 09 19:04:43 <kbs> [why are these things called 'roms' anyway. #friday_brain_fart]
Nov 09 19:05:02 <p_l> kbs: because xda-developers came from WinCE community?
Nov 09 19:05:03 <zinx> kbs: because historically they're flashed to a 'flash rom' device
Nov 09 19:05:18 <zinx> (and curcently, though the devices used now are a bit more fancy)
Nov 09 19:05:20 <zinx> erh, currently
Nov 09 19:06:17 <DOSP> hey guys, can you help me ? i cant set Top and bottom padding for absolutView which is child of sliding drawer.. well i can change it, but it does not reflects on View.
Nov 09 19:06:56 <p_l> zinx: anyway, we don't really care about browser compatibility, unless it would help in performance on newer IE ;)
Nov 09 19:07:14 <zinx> p_l: must be nice to not have to care :)
Nov 09 19:07:21 <p_l> it's not public use website, nor is compatibility with people's own device a concern
Nov 09 19:07:40 <zinx> i'm hoping flexbox gets a quick uptake, but i expect it will be at least 5 years before i can use it
Nov 09 19:09:34 <sleepster> The emulator has been running for 15 minutes and nothing is showing up yet.. is this common?  I am running it from AOSP
Nov 09 19:09:37 <sleepster> the one I built
Nov 09 19:10:02 <SimonVT> No, it's not common
Nov 09 19:10:21 <sleepster> hmm. I am running ubuntu x64
Nov 09 19:10:27 <sleepster> and I followed all the instructions
Nov 09 19:10:58 <zinx> sleepster: check the logcat
Nov 09 19:11:01 <sleepster> it seems to be running emulator64-arm
Nov 09 19:11:07 <sleepster> logcat says that there is no device
Nov 09 19:11:17 <zinx> sleepster: it's stuffed up then
Nov 09 19:12:43 <sleepster> emulator: Kernel parameters: qemu.gles=0 qemu=1 console=ttyS0 android.qemud=ttyS1 android.checkjni=1 ndns=1
Nov 09 19:12:45 <sleepster> that's the last line
Nov 09 19:12:49 <sleepster> when I do emulator -verbose
Nov 09 19:13:09 <sleepster> cpu is fully taxed though 100%
Nov 09 19:15:25 <sleepster> ah got it
Nov 09 19:15:29 <sleepster> had to run emulator-arm manually
Nov 09 19:15:35 <sleepster> "emulator" runs emulator64-arm
Nov 09 19:15:37 <sleepster> which hangs
Nov 09 19:16:09 <zinx> sleepster: hmm
Nov 09 19:17:29 <sleepster> it runs surprisingly fast
Nov 09 19:17:33 <sleepster> I guess I have a beefy machine
Nov 09 19:17:34 <sleepster> so it is good
Nov 09 19:17:58 <tdignan> How do I change the background of layouts in a style without manually applying the style to each layout, and without overriding the background for all widgets? I don't see any resources in R.attr that seem obvious enough.
Nov 09 19:18:24 <SimonVT> I don't think you want to do that
Nov 09 19:18:35 <tdignan> why?
Nov 09 19:19:34 <tdignan> the closest i've come so far is setting android:background in the parent style. Which, doesn't work, because it sets the background for *everything*.
Nov 09 19:19:48 <tdignan> there are style attrs, like "editTextStyle", "textViewStyle" et cetera
Nov 09 19:19:53 <SimonVT> Maybe you want windowBackground
Nov 09 19:19:55 <tdignan> that you can use to theme individual widgets
Nov 09 19:19:56 <tdignan> ooh!
Nov 09 19:20:03 <tdignan> I think that may be it
Nov 09 19:20:45 <tdignan> SimonVT: nice man, thanks. Works like a charm.
Nov 09 19:20:48 <tdignan> I'll be back
Nov 09 19:25:20 <ivdorelian> has anyone ever experienced image stretching when setting the background of a RelativeView?
Nov 09 19:25:28 <ivdorelian> both my image and the relativeview are the size of the screen, but on a 10" galaxy tab the image usually stretches upwards, as if the view was taller than the screen is
Nov 09 19:26:02 <ivdorelian> it doesn't always happen on that device, and on other devices i havent seen it happen at all. I set the image with setBackgroundDrawable after setting the content view
Nov 09 19:31:02 <f2prateek> ivdorelian: screenshot?
Nov 09 19:32:52 <ivdorelian> f2prateek just a second
Nov 09 19:34:37 <ivdorelian> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63577993/2012-11-09%2012.06.01.jpg - ignore the ad display bug, i'm talking about the infinity sign to the left. there's supposed to be some text above it, but the image gets stretched upwards
Nov 09 19:36:43 <f2prateek> try scale type fitXY,
Nov 09 19:37:25 <ivdorelian> but it doesn't always happen, and only on that device. i can't reproduce it on demand. are you sure it's the scale type?
Nov 09 19:38:16 <ivdorelian> it looks as if the image gets set before the layout is calculated and then the view isn't invalidated or something
Nov 09 19:38:28 <fakingfantastic> SimonVT evancharlton : sorry, didn't mean to run out on you guys when I asked about the context inflating link…. the power cut out (yes, I'm in NJ)
Nov 09 19:38:42 <evancharlton> fakingfantastic: no worries
Nov 09 19:39:31 <ivdorelian> the device runs 3.1 btw
Nov 09 19:39:38 <ivdorelian> i couldn't reproduce it in the emulator on that version :|
Nov 09 19:39:40 <f2prateek> ivdorelian: thats why try fitxy to see if the issue is still there
Nov 09 19:40:56 <ivdorelian> ok i'll try, won't be able to get back to you on it soon though since i don't have the device here and that's the only one with problems
Nov 09 19:42:37 <ivdorelian> hmm, you mean put the image in an imageview first right?
Nov 09 19:42:55 <ivdorelian> because right now it's directly as the background to a relative view
Nov 09 19:47:25 <fserve> does anyone know how i can use this sample http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9367196/detect-a-new-android-notification ?
Nov 09 19:48:59 <marsilainen> hi all, I have an image resource in folder res/drawable-hdpi which is a 50x50 PNG file which works fine; if I open that file and resize it up to 100x100 PNG then when in Eclipse the file gets marked with a small red cross in the file browser
Nov 09 19:49:12 <marsilainen> and then Eclipse wont build my project as it says there are errors
Nov 09 19:49:21 <marsilainen> any ideas what on earth might cause this?
Nov 09 19:49:38 <adq> marsilainen, what is the exact name of your png file?
Nov 09 19:50:25 <adq> (and if it says there are errors, it should say where and what)
Nov 09 19:50:30 <marsilainen> adq: it's 'res/drawable-hdpi/thumbnail_loading.png'
Nov 09 19:51:11 <adq> hum nothing suspicious, did you try to simply clean?
Nov 09 19:51:23 <marsilainen> I'm looking for the error but I can't see where to find it
Nov 09 19:51:28 <f2prateek> marsilainen: the error tab will tell you
Nov 09 19:51:29 <marsilainen> how do I do the clean?
Nov 09 19:51:36 <adq> (or maybe your editor put in the same folder a backup of the file with ~ or whatever weird char)
Nov 09 19:51:51 <f2prateek> marsilainen: windows>show view>error log
Nov 09 19:52:20 <adq> marsilainen, project>clean..
Nov 09 19:52:21 <f2prateek> marsilainen: for clean, project>clean
Nov 09 19:52:57 <marsilainen> in the error log there only seems to be this entry for today: "Invalid preference page path: XML Syntax"
Nov 09 19:53:06 <marsilainen> I'm not sure how that would relate to the image?
Nov 09 19:53:56 <marsilainen> ah, doing a clean appears to have fixed it
Nov 09 19:53:58 <SimonVT> fakingfantastic: You left? oO
Nov 09 19:54:04 <marsilainen> thanks for the help guys
Nov 09 19:54:16 <fakingfantastic> SimonVT: yo man, I'm really crushed you didn't notice
Nov 09 19:54:22 <marsilainen> not sure quite why it needed the clean, but it seemed to work anyways
Nov 09 19:54:32 <adq> well known issue :/
Nov 09 19:54:42 <marsilainen> ok
Nov 09 19:54:55 <marsilainen> well I know to try that in future anyways... I'm learning
Nov 09 19:55:00 <marsilainen> thanks again for the quick help
Nov 09 20:05:51 <sleepster> what IDE to people use for AOSP development?
Nov 09 20:06:17 <f2prateek> sleepster: i just use vim
Nov 09 20:08:00 <SimonVT> intellij
Nov 09 20:10:22 <canadiancow> sleepster, i use eclipse
Nov 09 20:10:35 <canadiancow> but intellij is also popular
Nov 09 20:10:43 <g00s> canadiancow: i'm surprised, seem all the l33t h4x0rs use intellij
Nov 09 20:11:10 <theTerry> eclipse pisses people off
Nov 09 20:11:11 <canadiancow> i tried intellij back in fall of 2010, and ive been keeping up to date with it, but it doesnt have enough to win me over from
Nov 09 20:11:27 <g00s> yeah, same story
Nov 09 20:11:30 <g00s> maybe i will try it again
Nov 09 20:12:07 <canadiancow> s/from/from eclipse/
Nov 09 20:12:13 <bubbleguuum> depends if you have 1 month to loose to learn a new IDE
Nov 09 20:12:14 <denelius> hello im running an onLongPress event to get map geopoint, what is the best way to handle user longpress when map has not yet generated possible due to weak or no signal - so prevent the app from crashing?
Nov 09 20:12:26 <canadiancow> bubbleguuum, im still "learning" eclipse :P
Nov 09 20:12:43 <canadiancow> denelius, why is it crashing
Nov 09 20:12:50 <bubbleguuum> yes learning eclipse never end but once you know some of it quircks, it's ok
Nov 09 20:13:11 <adq> eclipse crashs never end too
Nov 09 20:13:18 <adq> "no more handle"
Nov 09 20:13:25 <denelius> well im guessing if the map has not yet generated it will not be able to return a geopoint
Nov 09 20:13:28 <canadiancow> wow i havent seen eclipse crash in a LONG time
Nov 09 20:13:34 <canadiancow> denelius, dont guess
Nov 09 20:13:43 <marsilainen> I'd like to try intellij but when I tried to run it for the first time it just died :/
Nov 09 20:13:54 <marsilainen> I should try it again because Eclipse infuriates me
Nov 09 20:14:05 <adq> (abusing of wysiwyg preview of xml layouts really seem to be a major cause in eclipse crash :/)
Nov 09 20:14:08 <SimonVT> I didn't really have any issues with eclipse, I just found intellij much nicer to work with
Nov 09 20:14:40 <docmur> Can a gesturelistener be attached to a webview?
Nov 09 20:15:00 <denelius> so if user attemps to longpress on map to generate geopoint and map not yet generated is geopoint returned as null?
Nov 09 20:15:11 <theTerry> intellij plays nice with Maven.  Also it will let you modify a layout xml and see the ui preview at the same time
Nov 09 20:16:35 <sleepster> does intellij work well with C/C++?
Nov 09 20:17:33 <canadiancow> docmur, yes
Nov 09 20:17:46 <canadiancow> denelius, i dont know. test it
Nov 09 20:17:56 <canadiancow> when you identify the problem, the solution will be obvious
Nov 09 20:18:03 <canadiancow> and if it's not, then maybe someone here can help
Nov 09 20:18:11 <canadiancow> but without a concrete problem, there isn't much we can do
Nov 09 20:19:46 <denelius> thank you - you should work at a fortune cookie factory
Nov 09 20:21:41 <canadiancow> how long has kroot been idling here
Nov 09 20:21:59 <qkzoo1978> Does anyone here know of any intents to open Bing Maps to a lat/long point?  The app, not the site.
Nov 09 20:22:32 <grantland> qkzoo1978 jw, why not gmaps?
Nov 09 20:22:34 <Powl> ds
Nov 09 20:22:42 <Powl> hi
Nov 09 20:22:44 <canadiancow> does bing maps have any documentation?
Nov 09 20:22:56 <canadiancow> and if microsoft isn't stupid, it would be the same as opening google maps
Nov 09 20:22:59 <canadiancow> just force the package
Nov 09 20:23:26 <qkzoo1978> I'd like to offer it as an alternative, and I can't seem to find any documentation.
Nov 09 20:23:47 <Powl> why is motionevent.action_move giving me on multitouching always 0
Nov 09 20:24:17 <canadiancow> qkzoo1978, chances are you can just use the same intent with no explicit package set, and it will open the user's default
Nov 09 20:24:42 <Powl> action down/up, actionpointer down/up is giving me the right int for 1st 2nd etc. pointer
Nov 09 20:24:57 <tdignan> a ColorStateList should work fine with a Button's textColor, right?
Nov 09 20:24:59 <qkzoo1978> MS doesn't offer the geo: filter likegoogle or other navs do :(
Nov 09 20:25:08 <tdignan> because I'm beating my head against my desk getting it to work :)
Nov 09 20:25:13 <g00s> does MS offer a maps API for android ?
Nov 09 20:25:20 <g00s> it cant be worse than google's
Nov 09 20:25:32 <tdignan> there is actually a new map api that just came out today
Nov 09 20:25:38 <g00s> where ?
Nov 09 20:25:46 <Map> Maps!
Nov 09 20:26:05 <tdignan> http://www.androiduipatterns.com/2012/10/polaris-new-mapping-library-for-android.html
Nov 09 20:26:05 <g00s> just ran android package manager and didn't see anything
Nov 09 20:26:09 <qkzoo1978> They have an sdk for using bing stuff IN your app, but nothing on utilizing their own app. goofy if you ask me.
Nov 09 20:26:13 <docmur> So I can launch the onTouchEvent from my WebView: http://pastebin.com/NU98GVuY  But it wont launch any of the other gesture methods, anyone see the issue?
Nov 09 20:26:25 <g00s> Cyril Mottier kicks ass
Nov 09 20:26:29 <g00s> he's my hero
Nov 09 20:26:31 <Powl> why is motionevent.action_move giving me on multitouching always 0
Nov 09 20:26:37 <tdignan> guys why doesn't my damn colorstatelist work..
Nov 09 20:26:47 * tdignan pounds head against desk
Nov 09 20:27:36 <sNore> hi
Nov 09 20:28:17 <sNore> why is motionevent.action_move giving me on multitouching always 0 for pointer id?
Nov 09 20:29:07 <LuigiBairesDev> Hi, Little question, I'm calling mediaplayer.release in the onDestroy from my activity, that is beeing finished. But after that I'm getting following error:
Nov 09 20:29:08 <LuigiBairesDev> E/WindowManager(26472): Activity com.dla.android.PlayerActivity has leaked window com.android.internal.policy.impl.PhoneWindow$DecorView@40661660 that was originally added here
Nov 09 20:29:08 <LuigiBairesDev> E/WindowManager(26472): android.view.WindowLeaked: Activity com.dla.android.PlayerActivity has leaked window com.android.internal.policy.impl.PhoneWindow$DecorView@40661660 that was originally
Nov 09 20:29:34 <LuigiBairesDev> after the error, the application crashes
Nov 09 20:29:52 <g00s> seems normal :/
Nov 09 20:29:53 <SimonVT> You're probably fucking up manually managing dialogs
Nov 09 20:30:34 <canadiancow> omg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZSBq8geuJk0
Nov 09 20:30:47 <canadiancow> as if one wasn't enough
Nov 09 20:31:17 * g00s doesnt have flash installed ;)
Nov 09 20:31:40 <canadiancow> im watching it on my n4 because my bluetooth headset wont pair to my desktop :P
Nov 09 20:31:45 <qkzoo1978> Is there a way to decompile an app to sniff for an unocumented api, ie?
Nov 09 20:32:04 <g00s> canadiancow: so does the n4 have flash ?
Nov 09 20:32:08 <canadiancow> qkzoo1978, apktool, and the manifest probably has reasonable info
Nov 09 20:32:13 <canadiancow> im using the yt app
Nov 09 20:32:40 <qkzoo1978> awesome, thanks!
Nov 09 20:34:24 <g00s> i had an "exchange" with mit ebook customer support; i wanted "building mobile experiences" eBook … but it is only available from their proprietary flash thing. i told them i dont install flash because its crappy bug ridden security mess; they say "its perfectly safe" … i wanted to scream. an ebook on mobile UX only available through flash. fail.
Nov 09 20:34:33 <tdignan> hm, fixed it.
Nov 09 20:34:36 <tdignan> had a brainfart there
Nov 09 20:34:40 <sleepster> how would I connect a kernel debugger to the android emulator?
Nov 09 20:34:47 <sleepster> there isn't kgdb
Nov 09 20:35:28 <canadiancow> g00s, lol
Nov 09 20:37:11 <sNore> hi
Nov 09 20:37:29 <tdignan> man that's pretty leet
Nov 09 20:37:36 <tdignan> debugging the kernel
Nov 09 20:37:40 <tdignan> why?
Nov 09 20:38:29 <tdignan> g00s: probably because of DRM?
Nov 09 20:38:39 <g00s> tdignan: yeah
Nov 09 20:38:46 <g00s> defective by design
Nov 09 20:40:38 <clever> g00s: thats just crazy
Nov 09 20:41:12 <clever> qkzoo1978: i have another link
Nov 09 20:41:49 <qkzoo1978> ya?
Nov 09 20:41:55 <clever> qkzoo1978: http://thomascannon.net/projects/android-reversing/
Nov 09 20:41:59 <clever> had to find it
Nov 09 20:42:28 <clever> qkzoo1978: that explains how to rip the apk out, unpack it, conver the manifest back to xml, convert the dex back to a jar, and how to turn the jar back into java source
Nov 09 20:42:51 <clever> in theory, you could get it back to a state that can be compiled into a new apk
Nov 09 20:43:37 <ctate> man, what a lame article
Nov 09 20:43:49 <ctate> and says things that are factually wrong as well
Nov 09 20:43:55 <clever> ctate: such as?
Nov 09 20:44:43 <ctate> oh wait, when it talks about encrypted databases it means this one app encrypts its data?  okay, never mind then
Nov 09 20:45:02 <clever> yeah
Nov 09 20:45:03 <ctate> 1. have root
Nov 09 20:45:12 <clever> the main purpose was to crack the 'encryption'
Nov 09 20:45:15 <ctate> 2. yeah why bother thinking there's anythign special going on?  :)
Nov 09 20:45:20 <clever> it turns out, the content provider doesnt do any checking
Nov 09 20:45:30 <ctate> answer, the app is being stupid about key  management.
Nov 09 20:45:38 <clever> so using the content provider, you can ask the app to decrypt everything for you
Nov 09 20:45:41 <clever> yep
Nov 09 20:45:55 <ctate> so like i said.  1. have root => yeah no worries.
Nov 09 20:46:01 <clever> he was mainly doing security testing against the app
Nov 09 20:46:03 <clever> it failed :P
Nov 09 20:46:20 <ctate> well, what's the surface area of the failure?
Nov 09 20:46:29 <ctate> "allows a user to read the user's own data from the user's own device"
Nov 09 20:46:34 <ctate> so uh yeah
Nov 09 20:46:38 <clever> ctate: stolen device
Nov 09 20:46:38 <qkzoo1978> great, thanks!
Nov 09 20:46:57 <clever> ctate: he wanted to make sure the data remained secure after the device was stolen
Nov 09 20:47:05 <ctate> clever: so the security problem *that matters* is being able to get root on a device without wiping it or being able to unlock it?
Nov 09 20:47:21 <clever> ctate: he mentions that the main lock screen isnt enabled
Nov 09 20:47:23 <hkhalid> I have a FragmentPagerAdapter that is from the template Eclipse gives when making swipable content, the problem is I cant get a FragmentActivity implmeneted into this as I cant do a newinstance and it seems to be built where it can only switch between Fragments, anyone have any pointers pelase?
Nov 09 20:47:30 <ctate> ha ha
Nov 09 20:47:34 <tdignan> i think the database was likely encrypted for drm purposes
Nov 09 20:47:38 <clever> ctate: because his company doesnt have the security policy in place
Nov 09 20:47:44 <ctate> "omg if you use no security with your phone, your phone isn't secure!  news at 11!"
Nov 09 20:47:46 <clever> ctate: and he has a link to a root exploit for gaining root at run-time
Nov 09 20:47:55 <ctate> yeah that's the important one
Nov 09 20:48:05 <ctate> anyway yeah key management ftw :)
Nov 09 20:48:21 <Wavesonics> using Actionbar Sherlock, whenever i dissmiss the Overflow menu, I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/2MguzY2s
Nov 09 20:48:22 <clever> ctate: now that he has found this fault, i believe he can make use of it without root
Nov 09 20:48:28 <clever> ctate: as long as the lock screen isnt in the way
Nov 09 20:48:43 <ctate> i'm not sure about that; everythign he says about getting the file data and the in-memory view both rely on root
Nov 09 20:48:52 <ctate> obviously it's an interesting question
Nov 09 20:49:03 <clever> ctate: he mentions the content provider in the manifest file, will decrypt any file you ask for
Nov 09 20:49:08 <clever> without asking for the pin code
Nov 09 20:49:20 <clever> that doesnt need root
Nov 09 20:49:31 <tdignan> isn't it an article about reverse engineering... not exploitation, what is wrong with the root requirement
Nov 09 20:49:56 <tdignan> aside from the fact that all the stuff he says is blatantly obvious "use dex2jar, blabla"
Nov 09 20:49:57 <ctate> oh wtf, they exported a content provider for that?  bwahahaha okay they deserve to be horsewhipped
Nov 09 20:50:04 <clever> ctate: yep
Nov 09 20:50:40 <clever> ctate: i'm guessing the app only gives links to it after you enter the pin code
Nov 09 20:50:42 <tdignan> someone might find the article useful when they are trying to crack a 99 cent game because his mum won't buy it
Nov 09 20:50:47 <clever> and they assume you dont know the url
Nov 09 20:51:17 <ctate> i also don't know whether the root sploit here is still open
Nov 09 20:51:19 <brx_> evancharlton, you here?my laptop failed earlier mid conversation :|
Nov 09 20:51:25 <ctate> there's usually something though
Nov 09 20:51:40 <clever> ctate: yeah, and some of the article requires root without rebooting
Nov 09 20:51:58 <clever> when the app holds key data in ram, and needs a diff pw at first start
Nov 09 20:52:26 <docmur> How would I have my gesturedetector act on my LinearLayout instead of my webview, I guess webviews just can't recieve gestures
Nov 09 20:52:39 <canadiancow> they absolutely can
Nov 09 20:53:11 <clever> ctate: i have tried the memory dump before on my galaxy s3, it didnt work
Nov 09 20:53:17 <clever> ctate: did they change sigusr1 recently?
Nov 09 20:53:39 <g00s> tdignan: hmm, cyril's map library still uses google maps library
Nov 09 20:53:51 <ctate> clever:  dunno
Nov 09 20:53:54 <tdignan> g00s: duh
Nov 09 20:54:03 <g00s> tdignan: duh ?
Nov 09 20:54:03 <tdignan> but it's probably a lot easier to use
Nov 09 20:54:04 <docmur> well if they can then why when I touch in the webview does the return super get called and not the gest which is my gesterdector: http://pastebin.com/6JnRNDh7
Nov 09 20:54:08 <tdignan> that wasn't obvious?
Nov 09 20:54:11 <g00s> no
Nov 09 20:54:14 <tdignan> oh
Nov 09 20:54:17 <g00s> i thought it used osm or something
Nov 09 20:54:22 <clever> ctate: i'll check the source then...
Nov 09 20:54:32 <tdignan> check out this map library though, it's open source  http://goo.gl/Re7RJ
Nov 09 20:54:54 <g00s> so it still has the biggest limitations; fragments, not vector, no caching, etc
Nov 09 20:54:59 <g00s> fuck it
Nov 09 20:55:10 <g00s> basically putting lip stick on a pig
Nov 09 20:55:17 <docmur> This is the entire gester code: http://pastebin.com/NU98GVuY
Nov 09 20:55:43 <tdignan> hm, what about openstreetmap?
Nov 09 20:56:35 <hkhalid> will pay via paypal $ to get help
Nov 09 20:57:30 <tdignan> back to work for me
Nov 09 20:57:57 <canadiancow> you're not supposed to recruit people in here :P
Nov 09 20:59:25 <speakingcode-wor> howdy
Nov 09 20:59:30 <hkhalid> oh sorry
Nov 09 21:01:42 <gregtom6> hy all
Nov 09 21:01:50 <gregtom6> I'm trying to send an integer value
Nov 09 21:01:53 <gregtom6> how should I do that?
Nov 09 21:02:11 <canadiancow> send?
Nov 09 21:02:17 <gregtom6> yes
Nov 09 21:02:19 <gregtom6> via bluetooth
Nov 09 21:03:41 <meetoman> hey guys
Nov 09 21:03:52 <meetoman> is there anything like menu-horionztal?
Nov 09 21:04:01 <meetoman> to make different menu in horionztal screen
Nov 09 21:04:31 <meetoman> menu-landscape or something
Nov 09 21:06:46 <lov> hkhalid: stackoverflow.com
Nov 09 21:06:52 <f2prateek> meetoman: menu-land
Nov 09 21:07:51 <Wavesonics> JakeWharton, a present! https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/693 :)
Nov 09 21:08:00 <JakeWharton> i saw
Nov 09 21:08:11 <JakeWharton> ABS does almost nothing on API 14+ so that's surprising
Nov 09 21:08:35 <Wavesonics> JakeWharton, the visual artifacts are also only on the N7, tested on the Xoom and I don't get them
Nov 09 21:08:39 <meetoman> thanks f2prateek
Nov 09 21:08:53 <Wavesonics> JakeWharton, also tested using the Demo app for ABS 4.2, not my own app
Nov 09 21:09:01 <fserve> does anyone knows a way to get android notifications?
Nov 09 21:09:12 <JakeWharton> fserve: 'get' is such a general term
Nov 09 21:09:41 <fserve> i just want to read the notification
Nov 09 21:11:16 <clever> ctate: hmmm, only found debuging api code so far
Nov 09 21:13:20 <speakingcode-wor> fserve: which notification do you want to read?
Nov 09 21:15:27 <fserve> all of them, speakingcode, so i could send it to my desktop
Nov 09 21:15:52 <ctate> clever:  sigusr1 ram dump was taken out a while ago
Nov 09 21:16:11 <ctate> in gingerbread, maybe?
Nov 09 21:16:22 <ctate> so, two years?
Nov 09 21:16:50 <clever> ctate: ah, that would explain why it doesnt work on 4.x
Nov 09 21:16:57 <clever> and why i cant find it in the source
Nov 09 21:17:13 <clever> and the article mentioning it is 2 years old
Nov 09 21:17:42 <gregtom6> How should I send a value from android and write that with Arduino?
Nov 09 21:17:55 <gregtom6> I mean integer value
Nov 09 21:18:05 <gregtom6> first I'm sending a string, that's good
Nov 09 21:18:16 <gregtom6> but after it I send an integer and can't write that
Nov 09 21:18:49 <clever> ctate: any other options, like ddms?
Nov 09 21:19:08 <ctate> clever:  you can do it for apps whose manifest marks them as 'debuggable
Nov 09 21:19:19 <ctate> am dumpheap <pid> <output-file>
Nov 09 21:19:21 <clever> ctate: ah, *looks*
Nov 09 21:19:45 <ctate> but typically that's only the case during development, and the app is *not* marked debuggable when it's put on the Play Stre
Nov 09 21:19:47 <ctate> *Store
Nov 09 21:19:51 <clever> thats a sane fix
Nov 09 21:19:54 * canadiancow sees lots of copypasta
Nov 09 21:20:03 <ctate> iirc the store upload thing will warn you if you try to upload a debuggable apk
Nov 09 21:20:08 <clever> ctate: it stops you from attacking release apps, like the article said
Nov 09 21:20:11 <ctate> yep
Nov 09 21:21:19 <clever> ctate: which manifest xml node?
Nov 09 21:21:37 <canadiancow> unless you apktool, add the debuggable flag, and apktool
Nov 09 21:22:10 <clever> canadiancow: oh, its done automaticaly by 'ant debug'?
Nov 09 21:22:31 <canadiancow> yes, although that has nothign to do with what i just said :)
Nov 09 21:22:35 <ctate> canadiancow:  for which you need root.  but if you have root, you can just read /proc/pid/mem directly, so....
Nov 09 21:22:49 <clever> makes sense
Nov 09 21:22:52 <canadiancow> why do you need root?
Nov 09 21:23:05 <canadiancow> theres a chrome extension that lets you download apks straight from the play store site
Nov 09 21:23:12 <ctate> he's talking about that article he linked to a while ago about cracking an app's internal encryption
Nov 09 21:23:49 <clever> ctate: sounds like the security has been beefed up since then :)
Nov 09 21:24:01 <ctate> we do try, you know.  :)
Nov 09 21:24:09 <clever> about all you can do is to decompile, then rebuild as debug, at which point the in-ram data is long gone
Nov 09 21:24:58 <clever> ctate: i also recently watched some vids on https stripping
Nov 09 21:25:16 <clever> ctate: basicaly, you just install a fake CA on the device, then the proxy uses it to sign fake certs
Nov 09 21:25:28 <clever> so https traffic remains encrypted, with the wrong cert
Nov 09 21:25:54 <adq> clever, i pasted this link earlier: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_ccs12.pdf
Nov 09 21:26:01 <lov> clever: it's a clever idea.
Nov 09 21:26:12 <clever> i ran the tests against 2 apps in my ipod (similar process), the online banking app had no trace of the password
Nov 09 21:26:17 <clever> just long base64 strings
Nov 09 21:26:17 <Gavilan2> Do you know if its possible to put conditional content in an email based on the device the user is using? Iphone vs ipad vs android ??
Nov 09 21:26:28 <clever> paypal app, password was in the clear! (behind https)
Nov 09 21:26:31 <adq> you will have to wait a decade before PKI invades everything
Nov 09 21:26:59 <SuD> that was said one decade ago
Nov 09 21:27:04 <adq> :D
Nov 09 21:27:09 <adq> like IPv6 ;-)
Nov 09 21:27:22 <clever> adq: the video also briefly mentioned, that the old paypal app doesnt check the cert chain
Nov 09 21:27:29 <clever> adq: ANY cert was accepted as valid!
Nov 09 21:27:44 <adq> which is shame from financial transaction pov
Nov 09 21:27:49 <clever> its since been fixed
Nov 09 21:28:10 <clever> and my online banking app is more secure, its doing some encryption of its own, inside the https connection
Nov 09 21:28:23 <adq> "some encryption" does not sound secure, but it's another story :)
Nov 09 21:28:38 <clever> i didnt look into what kind
Nov 09 21:28:39 <meetoman> JakeWharton, what's the thing you can override that SherlockAction automatically switches the UI from horionztal to verticle view?
Nov 09 21:28:50 <JakeWharton> er, what?
Nov 09 21:28:54 <clever> adq: but its already inside an ssl connection protected by the full root ca chain
Nov 09 21:29:05 <clever> adq: so just seeing the base64 encoded strings isnt easy
Nov 09 21:29:41 <meetoman> JakeWharton, when switch ActionSherlock view from verticle to landscape, the tabs automatically becomes part of the actionbar
Nov 09 21:29:46 <meetoman> what's the function that does that?
Nov 09 21:30:02 <JakeWharton> you can't override that nor control it
Nov 09 21:30:10 <meetoman> onConfigurationChanged?
Nov 09 21:30:47 <clever> adq: biggest problem i feel, is how easy it was to install a ca root on ios
Nov 09 21:31:09 <clever> adq: ~3-4 taps and a warning about it being a root ca (which no commoner will understand)
Nov 09 21:31:27 <clever> android atleast required root to do it
Nov 09 21:31:57 <adq> biggest concern is lambda ppl, who wants their stuff (like for evil permissions requested by "rogue android free apps") and who do not care the message, click yes, and do not think of the consequences
Nov 09 21:32:08 <grantland> Does anyone have experience reading/writing a List to a Parcel? readList is giving me a ClassNotFoundException when unmarshalling the class
Nov 09 21:32:39 <adq> so for them, a warning on the CA... or the expiration date.. or the fact that the CN does not match the host is farrrr from their main concern
Nov 09 21:33:03 <clever> adq: the paypal and onling banking app dont let you override the ca on the spot
Nov 09 21:33:06 <clever> they arent that dumb
Nov 09 21:33:16 <adq> n-authentication helped a lot recently, but then new technics arised like compromised your browser and waiting you log-in for them to take over your session
Nov 09 21:33:21 <clever> adq: but if you click on a ca.pem file in an email attachment, you can 'trust' it with about 4 taps
Nov 09 21:33:31 <clever> under ios
Nov 09 21:33:57 <adq> bah :| what about android? i have not yet looked into
Nov 09 21:34:11 <clever> adq: under android, you need to copy the ca db (sqlite) using adb pull
Nov 09 21:34:17 <clever> modify it using some slightly custom tools
Nov 09 21:34:23 <clever> then re-upload it (need root to overwrite)
Nov 09 21:34:26 <adq> I know only windows (7 & above) who manage decently a certificate store, a crypto provider, etc..
Nov 09 21:34:53 <clever> so android needs you to root the phone before you can shoot yourself in the foot
Nov 09 21:34:53 <adq> clever, thx I had no clue at all, i just saw in the settings menu
Nov 09 21:35:00 <clever> ios, go ahead, fire away!
Nov 09 21:36:15 <clever> adq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66rR4WHJeP0&feature=em-uploademail-new
Nov 09 21:36:29 <clever> adq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70ONMXOPKfE&feature=em-uploademail-new
Nov 09 21:36:46 <adq> can watch but cannot hear 2 movies at same time :)
Nov 09 21:37:00 <clever> adq: one is android, the other is ios, both are the same basic thing, add a fake ca, then configure an https proxy
Nov 09 21:37:12 <adq> ok, i will stick to the first one so
Nov 09 21:37:13 <clever> which will decrypt with the fake ca, and re-encrypt with the real certs
Nov 09 21:37:28 <clever> which lets you spy on all https traffic
Nov 09 21:37:40 <adq> i know how it works, but thx
Nov 09 21:37:54 <adq> saw a demo last year of evilgrade
Nov 09 21:37:59 <adq> and tried myself dsploit recently
Nov 09 21:37:59 <gregtom6> How should I send a value from android and write that with Arduino? [22:17] <gregtom6> I mean integer value [22:18] <gregtom6> first I'm sending a string, that's good [22:18] <gregtom6> but after it I send an integer and can't write that
Nov 09 21:39:09 <clever> adq: in theory, you can skip the ca step, and test to see if apps actualy check the ca chain
Nov 09 21:39:38 <clever> and if you somehow got your own ca, you can configure a wifi hotspot to run everything thru the proxy
Nov 09 21:40:04 <clever> which is where the pdf you linked may come in
Nov 09 21:41:00 <clever> adq: oh yeah, another video i watched, mentioned that in the old days
Nov 09 21:41:07 <clever> adq: nobody ever checked the 'is a ca' flag
Nov 09 21:41:14 <clever> adq: so every cert, for every site, was a ca
Nov 09 21:41:17 * clever facepalms
Nov 09 21:45:36 <sleepster> is there a simple way to debug the linux kernel on Android?
Nov 09 21:45:58 <p_l> sleepster: you have to go through normal kernel debug routine
Nov 09 21:48:53 <clever> adq: hmmm, i have an ssl question about security
Nov 09 21:49:21 <clever> adq: i'm using a self-signed cert on one of my ssl connections, is it safe to only check the cn, md5, and sha1 fingerprints?
Nov 09 21:49:54 <adq> no
Nov 09 21:50:02 <clever> adq: what could go wrong there?
Nov 09 21:50:03 <adq> you have to verify the signature
Nov 09 21:50:16 <clever> i believe the ssl lib is doing that part for me
Nov 09 21:50:21 <adq> a CA will sign your certs below
Nov 09 21:50:26 <clever> but its rejecting it due to the issuer being self-signed
Nov 09 21:50:29 <adq> you have to verify it matches
Nov 09 21:50:30 <sleepster> thanks p_l
Nov 09 21:50:38 <chilimac> i'm trying to update my apk in the market and I keep getting "The server could not process your apk" message.  Where should I look to try and figure out why?
Nov 09 21:50:59 <adq> so verify the cn, and the hash fingerprint is absolutly dangerous
Nov 09 21:51:13 <sleepster> p_l, it looks like kgdb is not on the android device though
Nov 09 21:51:19 <clever> adq: its posible to create a duplicate cert with the same fingerprint?
Nov 09 21:51:27 <adq> no
Nov 09 21:51:41 <clever> dont see where the danger is then
Nov 09 21:51:42 <p_l> sleepster: well, duh. It's part of a kernel, so you need to flash a debug-enabled kernel first and configure the transport
Nov 09 21:51:49 <p_l> otherwise you can at best use JTAG
Nov 09 21:51:57 <clever> adq: the client side ssl lib should be checking the rest of the signatures
Nov 09 21:52:00 <adq> easy to spoof the fingerprint, especially if the hash is not part of your certificate (extra field sometimes)
Nov 09 21:52:17 <adq> so no integrity compromised by altering the hash/fingerprint
Nov 09 21:52:38 <clever> adq: ah, but shouldnt most client ssl libs check that the fingerprint is valid?
Nov 09 21:52:41 * p_l is reminded of penultimate stripe-ctf task
Nov 09 21:52:50 <etyrnal> is it taboo to discuss things like rooting, alternate roms, and such here?
Nov 09 21:52:56 <p_l> clever: you can spoof the hash
Nov 09 21:52:57 <clever> etyrnal: #android-root
Nov 09 21:53:00 <p_l> etyrnal: #android-root
Nov 09 21:53:02 <etyrnal> thanks
Nov 09 21:53:17 <clever> p_l, adq: i'll have to look into embeding the entire cert in the code then
Nov 09 21:53:24 <clever> that should make it safe
Nov 09 21:54:05 <adq> CKA_ID is sometimes also the fingerprint (sha1 hash recently) and it is used to match key-pair
Nov 09 21:54:26 <adq> and also association with CA certs
Nov 09 21:54:26 <clever> adq: embeding the entire cert in the app should make it fine, right?
Nov 09 21:54:48 <adq> i have no idea, seriously :/ too many factors
Nov 09 21:55:12 <clever> currently, i hook the 'cert is bad' error, check cn/md5/sha1, and force an override of whatever cert the server gave
Nov 09 21:55:27 <clever> but now i'm thinking, embed the original cert in the app, and force-override that
Nov 09 21:58:03 <nicoya> following up on my earlier question, it appears the code I needed is indeed hiding in development/host/windows/usb. thanks for the help.
Nov 09 21:59:40 <adq> clever, i strongly suggest you look at how a CA cert is generated, how you generate your cert, how you issue a certificate request to sign your certificate by your CA, how you validate the certs  against your CA, etc..
Nov 09 22:00:10 <adq> it's really common concept in PKI, and that should make you clearly understand
Nov 09 22:00:30 <adq> you cannot base your security on matching the fingerprint or CN
Nov 09 22:00:39 <adq> but on sign & verify operations
Nov 09 22:00:53 <clever> adq: yeah, thats why i'm putting the cert with the public key directly in the app
Nov 09 22:01:52 <adq> also the error you mentionned is really cryptic for me: 'cert is bad' error, check cn/md5/sha1
Nov 09 22:01:57 <adq> because it looks like cn is a hash algorithm
Nov 09 22:02:20 <adq> and does not look like CN (Common Name) field
Nov 09 22:02:28 <clever> adq: the code i'm replacing, hooks the callback from the ssl lib
Nov 09 22:02:40 <clever> that hook is ran when the lib finds a bad cert (in this case, self-signed)
Nov 09 22:02:56 <clever> i then verify 3 fields (cn, md5 print, sha1 print) and override the error
Nov 09 22:03:30 <clever> but as you say, the fingerprints can be false, which means the CN cant be trusted
Nov 09 22:03:41 <adq> and even, why md5 is needed, if you use sha1?
Nov 09 22:03:53 <clever> even if you can get a hash collision on sha1
Nov 09 22:04:01 <adq> (though concatening different hashes algo is not so bas sometimes)
Nov 09 22:04:04 <clever> what are the chances of getting a collision on both sha1 and md5 at the same time?
Nov 09 22:04:05 <adq> bad*
Nov 09 22:04:21 <adq> it's more easy to get a collision on md5 than sha1 :) but i get the point ok
Nov 09 22:04:28 <clever> md5(a) == md5(b) AND sha1(a) == sha1(b)
Nov 09 22:05:59 <clever> adq: my new idea, is to put the entire cert into the app, and use that for the override
Nov 09 22:06:21 <clever> the ssl lib should then just see that the incoming cert is identical, and accept it
Nov 09 22:10:57 <adq> would be nice (just for the fun) to transform a droid device in a cryptoken for a computer (of course, forgot about wifi, 3G & co, but just for the proof of concept), could be also used as a challenge/response thingy
Nov 09 22:11:13 <adq> forgot about the security of the device, just for having fun
Nov 09 22:11:17 <canadiancow> clever, less than or equal to the chances of getting a collision on just one of the algorithsm?
Nov 09 22:11:22 <kamoricks> adq: You mean like Google Authenticator?
Nov 09 22:11:33 <canadiancow> lol
Nov 09 22:11:49 <adq> i don't know well g authenticator, but i assume it works as a challenge/response mechanism, so yes for this part
Nov 09 22:12:11 <clever> canadiancow: there will be a limited number of collisions under sha1 (for a given size blob), and the chances of getting one that also collides under md5 will be much worse
Nov 09 22:12:41 <clever> adq: g auth isnt challenge response, its simply a normal clock based random number generator
Nov 09 22:12:44 <canadiancow> well yes, i think i said that :P
Nov 09 22:12:58 <adq> clever, i should have looked into :| too many things going lol
Nov 09 22:13:07 <clever> adq: the server knows the seed, and can generate the same random number
Nov 09 22:13:16 <Snicers-Work2> How would you do a switch for a text area's value?
Nov 09 22:13:22 <adq> *.* generate the same random number <- paradox
Nov 09 22:13:37 <kamoricks> adq: It's an implementation of Time-Based One-Time-Password algorithm. Basically, it's seeded, and the algorithm runs. Since there are two inputs, the time and the seed, and neither are recoverable, it's more secure than password.
Nov 09 22:13:38 <clever> adq: pseudo-random
Nov 09 22:13:50 <adq> ok it's OTP
Nov 09 22:14:04 <adq> like the rsa device who got compromised last year :)
Nov 09 22:14:15 <clever> adq: yep, but purely software based
Nov 09 22:14:25 <clever> and more easily comprimised if you root your droid
Nov 09 22:14:51 <kamoricks> Easily compromised without that. State can be reconstituted with a file it stores in its appdata folder.
Nov 09 22:15:10 <canadiancow> which you can't access without root...
Nov 09 22:15:12 <adq> thx, did not know about
Nov 09 22:15:18 <clever> canadiancow: thats what i thought
Nov 09 22:15:28 <kamoricks> canadiancow: Really? I can see it fine in user-space.
Nov 09 22:15:34 <canadiancow> no
Nov 09 22:16:05 <canadiancow> i can assure you /data/data is not accessible without root
Nov 09 22:16:17 <canadiancow> and /data/data/com.package.name is only accessible to that app, unless it does something stupid
Nov 09 22:16:33 <adq> run-as (if debuggable?)
Nov 09 22:16:58 <clever> which g-auth wouldnt use
Nov 09 22:17:06 <adq> yeah, let's hope so :)
Nov 09 22:17:49 <kamoricks> Ah. You're right, I have to mount the device's memory on my computer to see it. My bad.
Nov 09 22:18:00 <ctate> disk, not memory.
Nov 09 22:18:05 <kamoricks> Right.
Nov 09 22:18:06 <clever> kamoricks: and how are you doing that?
Nov 09 22:18:22 <kamoricks> clever: Uh. Putting the SD card it uses for internal memory into my card reader.
Nov 09 22:18:28 <clever> ah
Nov 09 22:18:38 <clever> g-auth probly doesnt store the keys to the sd card
Nov 09 22:18:48 <clever> it probly uses the internal flash at /data/data/
Nov 09 22:19:05 <ctate> someone is using removable storage for arbitrary app data?
Nov 09 22:19:14 <adq> what an evil device lol
Nov 09 22:19:26 <SimonVT> That's kind of bad :p
Nov 09 22:20:53 <canadiancow> whats wrong with using removable storage?
Nov 09 22:20:56 <bootlkjkgf> I'm trying to share a webpage with a friend, but I need to know if it works on a Android phone . As mine if just a basic model, can someone just check if http://3rdwiki.tumblr.com/mobile works on your phone ? Nice if you could help me out here.
Nov 09 22:21:04 <canadiancow> or rather, hwo do you tell if external storage is removable
Nov 09 22:21:51 <adq> canadiancow, if the internal storage is removable, you gain easy local access as described above by plugin-in a card reader of your favorite os, and mount it in r/w
Nov 09 22:21:53 <SimonVT> canadiancow: using removable storage for /data/data
Nov 09 22:21:59 <canadiancow> oh
Nov 09 22:22:00 <adq> s/of/on/
Nov 09 22:22:10 <canadiancow> im sure theres something in the CDD about that
Nov 09 22:22:14 <clever> adq: isnt /data/data always internal flash?
Nov 09 22:22:16 <canadiancow> right? :\
Nov 09 22:22:36 <adq> clever, i'm not well familiar with the file system hierarchy :/ i'm really new to android
Nov 09 22:22:44 <clever> adq: same
Nov 09 22:23:00 <adq> had my first droid in the middle of last year, and beginning to really dev on it at the beginning of this year
Nov 09 22:23:10 <adq> i regret to not have been interested before :/
Nov 09 22:23:32 <adq> s/beginning/began/
Nov 09 22:23:59 <brx_> when incrementing the app release number in the manifest would incerementing by 2 instead of 1 cause a problem if that apk is then activated?
Nov 09 22:24:06 <canadiancow> no
Nov 09 22:24:08 <adq> no problem brx_
Nov 09 22:24:16 <adq> it must be always higher, that's all
Nov 09 22:24:19 <ctate> nope; vrersion codes are arbitrary
Nov 09 22:24:22 <adq> (wonder if there is a max value, by the way :))
Nov 09 22:24:24 <ctate> they just need to increase monotonically
Nov 09 22:24:30 <brx_> ok, im trying to pi-point a problem from earlier
Nov 09 22:24:40 <canadiancow> yea, i tend to make my code pretty similar to the version name. so i mgiht jump from "1.2.3" and 123 to "1.3.0" and 130
Nov 09 22:24:41 <brx_> and i realized that i had gone from 7 to 8
Nov 09 22:24:55 <brx_> 7 to 9*
Nov 09 22:25:09 <adq> canadiancow, nice trick! at this time i did not bother and simply increment each time i want to release an update
Nov 09 22:25:58 <canadiancow> i just find it easier when looking at crash reports and analytics to see "123" and know that it's "1.2.3"
Nov 09 22:26:10 * adq is highlighting neoakira :) did not see you idle here
Nov 09 22:29:51 <FernandoMiguel> hey
Nov 09 22:30:58 <vadi2> I'm using an ArrayAdapter with a style that has "?android:attr/activatedBackgroundIndicator" as the background, yet the items highlights do not stay past being clicked on. What could be causing this problem?
Nov 09 22:38:52 <explodes> I'm getting a warning from lint about too many views in my scroll view... If I refactor some view groups into their own views, will it speed up the app? It seems to be going slow and the activity also takes a while to load.
Nov 09 22:39:14 <canadiancow> can you paste your xml
Nov 09 22:39:22 <canadiancow> pastebin**
Nov 09 22:39:40 <adq> lint starts to warn when views > 80
Nov 09 22:40:00 <adq> (in the same xml file/layout)
Nov 09 22:40:19 <adq> i don't know if it will speed up without using include and/or merge, but i'm interested to know
Nov 09 22:40:47 <canadiancow> include doesnt actually reduce the number of views in the scrollview
Nov 09 22:40:49 <canadiancow> just in the xml file
Nov 09 22:41:59 <explodes> Oh I didn't know there was an "Include" option... But, I mean to make them subclasses of View...
Nov 09 22:42:01 <ctate> explodes: more views == slower, yes
Nov 09 22:42:09 <explodes> Or, subclasses of RelativeLayout or whatever
Nov 09 22:42:12 <ctate> deeper view nesting == much slower
Nov 09 22:42:27 <canadiancow> regardless explodes, if you pastebin the whole thing, we can offer some suggestions
Nov 09 22:42:35 <explodes> K
Nov 09 22:42:40 <canadiancow> include helps you with development/reuse, but it does not speed anything up
Nov 09 22:43:38 <explodes> D: http://pastie.org/5353415
Nov 09 22:43:54 <canadiancow> i've seen bigger :)
Nov 09 22:43:58 <explodes> FYI That namespace is reserved already
Nov 09 22:44:00 <explodes> That's what she said
Nov 09 22:44:05 <canadiancow> yea yea
Nov 09 22:44:26 <explodes> But it seems like its all even slower because its in a ScrollView...
Nov 09 22:44:29 <canadiancow> ok so see how you have a RL that only contains an ImageView?
Nov 09 22:44:34 <canadiancow> you can remove the RL there
Nov 09 22:45:25 <canadiancow> also your <LL><TV/><LL><TV/><TV/></LL></LL>
Nov 09 22:45:35 <canadiancow> you could probably do <RL><TV/><TV/><TV/></RL>
Nov 09 22:45:37 <explodes> Cool.
Nov 09 22:46:13 <canadiancow> i think generally nesting RL in RL is unnecessary, even if there are other views. you should be able to position everything relatively within one outer RL
Nov 09 22:46:23 <SimonVT> If you spent some time, you could do <RL> <All the views> </RL>
Nov 09 22:46:31 <explodes> Hmm What lines, canadiancow ?
Nov 09 22:46:41 <canadiancow> the RL at 15 is unnecessary
Nov 09 22:46:45 <canadiancow> lint should tell you it's unnecessary
Nov 09 22:47:09 <canadiancow> but just patterns like that
Nov 09 22:47:10 <explodes> I got that one out
Nov 09 22:47:18 <explodes> canadiancow: also your <LL><TV/><LL><TV/><TV/></LL></LL>
Nov 09 22:47:18 <canadiancow> then the LL at 50
Nov 09 22:47:31 <canadiancow> if you made it a RL, you could remvoe the inner LL
Nov 09 22:47:51 <canadiancow> and the RL at 92 has a nested RL which is probably not needed
Nov 09 22:47:59 <kbs`> oh, nice -- didn't know there was an android lint.
Nov 09 22:48:14 <canadiancow> oh wow at 224, you have a bunch of LLs with only one child
Nov 09 22:48:18 <canadiancow> those are totally unnecessary
Nov 09 22:48:19 <jasta> damnit i love android lint so much :)
Nov 09 22:48:36 <canadiancow> and 255 all those RLs with one child
Nov 09 22:48:44 <canadiancow> you generally dont need a ViewGroup if there's only one child
Nov 09 22:49:27 <canadiancow> If you have a Preference, and something updates its value, will the UI get notified so that it updates?
Nov 09 22:49:51 <sleepster> when using the AOSP, is there an easy way to deploy and debug an app?  I know in eclipse, it is pretty easy... there is a button for it
Nov 09 22:50:34 <explodes> canadiancow: At 244, the view groups are meant to expand to a width with weights so that the 3 pieces are centered at 25% 50% and 75% across the screen
Nov 09 22:50:45 <EVX> hey guys is there a way to specify what fragment to set random text too in android?
Nov 09 22:51:46 <canadiancow> explodes, there's probably a better way to do that
Nov 09 22:51:57 <canadiancow> sleepster, what do you mean
Nov 09 22:59:29 <grantland> Has anyone had experience with Animator and bringToFront not moving an element infront of all of it's siblings?
Nov 09 23:10:15 <stork> has anyone ever looked at implementing something like the 'quick controls' on the android ics/jellybean browser? i'd like to do something similar in an app i'm writing
Nov 09 23:12:43 <sleepster> canadiancow, oh, I'd like to deploy my app in the emulator without using eclipse
Nov 09 23:12:52 <sleepster> and also debug it
Nov 09 23:12:58 <canadiancow> what does that have to do with aosp? :S
Nov 09 23:13:01 <canadiancow> deploying is easy
Nov 09 23:13:04 <canadiancow> adb install whatever.apk
Nov 09 23:13:11 <canadiancow> ive never done debugging outside eclipse though
Nov 09 23:13:12 <sleepster> oh sorry one more detail I missed
Nov 09 23:13:23 <sleepster> I am making changes to the Android
Nov 09 23:13:27 <sleepster> platform libraries
Nov 09 23:14:05 <stork> canadiancow: hi friend how's work
Nov 09 23:14:14 <canadiancow> work is good
Nov 09 23:14:15 <canadiancow> who are you again?
Nov 09 23:14:27 <stork> just some nobody who used to idle here for a while.
Nov 09 23:15:15 <stork> i just remember you work/worked for that company, i read a lot of stuff about them downsizing and shit recently. Was just curious how it's going.
Nov 09 23:16:34 <ctate> apparently it's going "away"
Nov 09 23:16:47 <ctate> HTH
Nov 09 23:18:28 <canadiancow> i no longer work for zynga
Nov 09 23:18:57 <canadiancow> and the "downsizing" was fairly minimal iirc
Nov 09 23:19:12 <canadiancow> but i havent been there for over two months
Nov 09 23:19:57 <stork> what are you up to now, if you don't mind me asking
Nov 09 23:20:07 <canadiancow> i work for google
Nov 09 23:20:28 <stork> swanky~
Nov 09 23:23:47 <EVX> could anyone direct me to an example of how to make diffrent views for diffrent tabs()
Nov 09 23:25:19 <kbs> all roads lead to google :-)
Nov 09 23:29:28 <EVX> the only thing i don't get and that i did not get an answer from google was how to specify fragment count for example fragment one and hook it up with tab 1 etc..
Nov 09 23:29:37 <EVX> but oh well more google it is then ;)
Nov 09 23:38:20 <sleepster> anyone know of a good resource for hiring Android hackers in the Los Angeles area?
Nov 09 23:39:03 <sleepster> I am assuming since this room has a lot of Google engineers that there might be some people from this region of the US :)
Nov 09 23:39:48 <evancharlton> sleepster: just FYI, recruiting in here is against channel policies
Nov 09 23:39:52 <evancharlton> you're getting close to the line :)
Nov 09 23:55:30 <ctate> [minor: clarify]
Nov 09 23:57:26 <FernandoMiguel> hihi
Nov 09 23:57:55 <canadiancow> what did you change ctate
Nov 09 23:58:03 <ctate> added "or solicit"
Nov 09 23:58:28 <FernandoMiguel> advertise or solicit
Nov 09 23:58:44 <FernandoMiguel> gotta love /topic diff
Nov 09 23:59:59 <ctate> i added 'fnord'
Nov 10 00:05:41 <evancharlton> I feel like we can nuke the bit about rooting
Nov 10 00:06:06 <ctate> evancharlton: no; people still routinely come in here expecting help with it.  i think it should stay.
Nov 10 00:07:57 <evancharlton> yeah, but that's community-enforced pretty well
Nov 10 00:08:13 <evancharlton> "hey bro, you'll get more help in -root" "okay, thanks"
Nov 10 00:08:21 <evancharlton> I just think /topic is getting too long and people won't read it, haha
Nov 10 00:08:28 <evancharlton> not that people would read it if it was 10 characters
Nov 10 00:08:36 <ctate> omg people don't read; news at 11!
Nov 10 00:08:40 <evancharlton> haha
Nov 10 00:10:26 <FernandoMiguel> I never read /topics ....
Nov 10 00:10:34 <FernandoMiguel> especially too longs
Nov 10 00:11:17 <ctate> that's too bad; the most important bit is at the end
Nov 10 00:13:48 <jeppy`> is "remove" a keyword in sqlite?
Nov 10 00:14:25 <canadiancow> delete?
Nov 10 00:14:37 <canadiancow> delete from table where something like somethingelse
Nov 10 00:15:06 <ctate> yeah, it's 'delete'
Nov 10 00:15:12 <ctate> in SQL
Nov 10 00:15:18 <jeppy`> no i'm getting an error trying to create a table
Nov 10 00:15:20 <jeppy`> 1 sec
Nov 10 00:16:12 <jeppy`> What's wrong with this create table: http://pastebin.com/pQrsgK5f
Nov 10 00:16:23 <ctate> you didn't paste the error
Nov 10 00:16:24 <jeppy`> beside vertical alignment getting messed up
Nov 10 00:16:37 <Gumboot> Is hardware accelerated video encode with output to a TCP stream readily available to services?
Nov 10 00:16:42 <jeppy`> it just say "near integer"
Nov 10 00:17:21 <ctate> oh yeah
Nov 10 00:17:26 <ctate> you aren't naming your fields
Nov 10 00:17:38 <SimonVT> You put a ; at the end
Nov 10 00:17:59 <jeppy`> with error
Nov 10 00:18:00 <jeppy`> http://pastebin.com/LJvan3J3
Nov 10 00:18:20 <ctate> CREATE TABLE whatever ( _id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, name TEXT UNIQUE ON CONFLICT REPLACE, value TEXT );
Nov 10 00:18:22 <jeppy`> I'm not naming them?
Nov 10 00:18:24 <ctate> is the sort of thing you want to wind up with
Nov 10 00:18:45 <ctate> oh oh i see the names now, sorry
Nov 10 00:19:02 <ctate> so yeah, you need to let us see the actual error being thrown
Nov 10 00:19:42 <jeppy`> yeah sorry about that
Nov 10 00:20:09 <ctate> also i note that you are trying to name a field "primary"
Nov 10 00:20:11 <jeppy`> is it the semicolon in the string?
Nov 10 00:20:13 <ctate> which may be unwise
Nov 10 00:20:21 <ctate> since it's a reserved word in sqlite
Nov 10 00:20:27 <jeppy`> ok
Nov 10 00:20:50 <jeppy`> i bet that's it then... brb
Nov 10 00:20:56 <clever> ctate: i dont see any fields named primary in the statement you pasted
Nov 10 00:20:57 <ctate> but again, you need to look at (and let us see) the actual error being thrown
Nov 10 00:21:08 <ctate> clever:  line 24
Nov 10 00:21:18 <clever> ctate: cant click links, the mouse has up and crapped out
Nov 10 00:21:27 * ctate |                 + COL_PRIMARY                           + " integer, "
Nov 10 00:21:34 <ctate> and COL_PRIMARY is declared as "primary"
Nov 10 00:21:40 <clever> ah, yeah that may be an issue
Nov 10 00:21:46 <clever> but we need the actual error to be sure
Nov 10 00:22:01 <canadiancow> http://www.sqlite.org/lang_keywords.html
Nov 10 00:22:20 <canadiancow> If you want to use a keyword as a name, you need to quote it.
Nov 10 00:22:29 <ctate> easier to use a different name :)
Nov 10 00:22:35 <canadiancow> yes
Nov 10 00:23:21 <clever> ctate: any idea why the mouse has just stopped working?
Nov 10 00:23:27 <ctate> unplug it and replug?
Nov 10 00:23:30 <jeppy`> That fixed it
Nov 10 00:23:37 * jeppy` facepalm
Nov 10 00:23:38 <clever> ctate: laptop, both internal mice are dead
Nov 10 00:23:39 <ctate> clever:  also, on what desktop OS?
Nov 10 00:23:45 <clever> ctate: gentoo
Nov 10 00:23:52 <ctate> that'll be it, then.
Nov 10 00:23:59 <ctate> :)
Nov 10 00:24:18 <clever> ctate: dmesg shows that it lost sync...
Nov 10 00:24:38 <clever> dualpoint touchpad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
Nov 10 00:24:40 <ctate> have you considered running a decent OS?  :)
Nov 10 00:24:48 <clever> first time this has ever happened
Nov 10 00:24:52 <ctate> (linux on laptops is *still* super dodgy)
Nov 10 00:25:04 <clever> i'll try restarting X
Nov 10 00:25:05 <ctate> (and that's even when running a real distro instead of gentoo :)  )
Nov 10 00:25:23 <canadiancow> i have a linux laptop :(
Nov 10 00:25:43 <ctate> chromebook? :)
Nov 10 00:25:45 <clever> ctate: ah, now that i know its due to lost sync
Nov 10 00:25:48 <clever> i tried usb, works fine
Nov 10 00:25:49 <canadiancow> ctate: corporate
Nov 10 00:25:52 <ctate> http://funroll-loops.info/
Nov 10 00:26:50 <clever> [79215.924340] psmouse serio1: DualPoint TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
Nov 10 00:26:58 <clever> ctate: cant think of why, but it explains it perfectly
Nov 10 00:27:02 <clever> and doesnt effect usb :)
Nov 10 00:28:09 <FernandoMiguel> I need to root my chromebook
Nov 10 00:28:23 <FernandoMiguel> and get pidgin on it
Nov 10 00:31:06 <jeppy`> i haven't searched so feel free to tell me to, but my AdActivity requires handling orientation changes, so my app isn't turning with me.
Nov 10 00:34:28 <sleepster> evancharlton, oh sorry about that :) I didn't read the topic
Nov 10 00:34:56 <sleepster> I could only imagine how much spam would be sent to this channel if recruiting *was* allowed
Nov 10 00:40:42 <jeppy`> Is there a way to allow the screen to rotate with ads? i must be missing something obvious because the internets aren't picking up on what i'm asking
Nov 10 00:42:57 <canadiancow> sleepster, if this turned into linkedin, i would just leave
Nov 10 00:43:38 <vadi2> I'm using an ArrayAdapter with a style that has "?android:attr/activatedBackgroundIndicator" as the background, yet the items highlights do not stay past being clicked on. What could be causing this problem?
Nov 10 00:43:42 <canadiancow> jeppy`, what?
Nov 10 00:43:57 <jeppy`> adview
Nov 10 00:44:04 <jeppy`> no turny-turny
Nov 10 00:44:54 <canadiancow> what do you mean
Nov 10 00:45:03 <canadiancow> it locks the orientation of the screen?
Nov 10 00:45:07 <canadiancow> and what "adview"
Nov 10 00:45:10 <jeppy`> Yes
Nov 10 00:45:12 <jeppy`> Admob
Nov 10 00:45:25 <jeppy`> it requires that you let it handle config changes
Nov 10 00:45:40 <jeppy`> it's not really a big deal, just an unwanted constraint
Nov 10 00:45:56 <jeppy`> config changes for orientation*
Nov 10 00:46:22 <sampullman> err, I don't think that's correct
Nov 10 00:46:44 <sampullman> I have apps with ads in landscape/portrait where i handle the config change
Nov 10 00:47:03 <jeppy`> maybe cuz i'm using house ads?
Nov 10 00:47:09 <sampullman> no difference
Nov 10 00:47:19 <jeppy`> the internets mention something about house ads
Nov 10 00:47:36 <sampullman> well, i've used house (banner) ads and never had an issue
Nov 10 00:48:26 <jeppy`> hmm
Nov 10 00:48:32 <catbox> howdy. i'm in need of some noob help trying to upload apk to google play.
Nov 10 00:48:58 <sampullman> jeppy: what happens when you rotate the screen?
Nov 10 00:49:06 <jeppy`> nothing
Nov 10 00:49:12 <catbox> keeps telling me server can't process my apk.  ok. so how do i figure out why?
Nov 10 00:50:34 <sampullman> ok, what happens when you permit orientation changes and then rotate the screen
Nov 10 00:50:56 <sampullman> catbox: i've had that issue when uploading in firefox..maybe try a different broswer? otherwise perhaps your firewall is blocking the upload
Nov 10 00:54:18 <catbox> i've tried chrome, firefox and ie.  disabled firewall.
Nov 10 00:54:18 <EVX> anyone know why i get missmatch on this ?
Nov 10 00:54:19 <EVX> http://pastebin.com/WLuiMMrY
Nov 10 00:54:38 <catbox> still no luck.
Nov 10 00:55:20 <sampullman> EVX: what do you mean mismatch?
Nov 10 00:55:42 <sampullman> is it because 0-1-3 doesn't match up with 1-2-3?
Nov 10 00:55:54 <EVX> might it be that simple?
Nov 10 00:55:58 <EVX> :S
Nov 10 00:56:02 <EVX> let's try
Nov 10 00:56:27 <sampullman> catbox: are you sure the apk is signed correctly?
Nov 10 00:56:45 <EVX> nope that was not it
Nov 10 00:56:55 <EVX> it's missmatching on the name
Nov 10 00:56:58 <EVX> some how
Nov 10 00:57:00 <sampullman> EVX: your code is either wrong or illogical
Nov 10 00:57:09 <EVX> yes
Nov 10 00:57:12 <EVX> i know
Nov 10 00:57:53 <sampullman> you're matching case 0 with Fragment1, case 1 with Fragment2, and case3 with Fragment3
Nov 10 00:57:53 <EVX> thats why i'm asking for a pair of eyes to check it and tell me
Nov 10 00:59:02 <jeppy`> sampullman, if i take orientation changes away, it wont run and tells me it needs orientation changes
Nov 10 00:59:06 <EVX> sampullman: that does not give miss match error.
Nov 10 01:00:07 <catbox> sampullman: i believe so. i did -verify on it and it looks ok to me.
Nov 10 01:00:08 <sampullman> jeppy: then override onConfigurationChange, and do setContentView() + GUI setup yourself based on config.orientation
Nov 10 01:00:29 <jeppy`> eww
Nov 10 01:00:37 <sampullman> it's literally 4 lines
Nov 10 01:00:50 <jeppy`> ok
Nov 10 01:02:39 <sampullman> jeppy: slight exaggeration, but here's how i do it: http://pastebin.com/jgjjiujq
Nov 10 01:03:46 <sampullman> catbox: sorry, im not sure then. the dev console is kind of finicky sometimes. maybe try the new version ("try new design" in the upper right corner)
Nov 10 01:05:51 <catbox> sampullman: no worries. just wish i had a better idea of what i'm doing. i'll keep digging.  thanks.
Nov 10 01:37:04 <Shazer[2]> Hey :D
Nov 10 01:44:28 <EVX> can anyone see why i get miss match error on this http://pastebin.com/WLuiMMrY
Nov 10 01:45:09 <Crunchie> is there a way of downloading images via the AVD yet?
Nov 10 01:45:24 <Crunchie> I seem to remember this feature being mentioned during a gogole I/O demo
Nov 10 01:47:02 <Crunchie> google i/o
Nov 10 01:47:04 <Crunchie> *
Nov 10 01:54:39 <sleepster> is anyone here familiar with the device-specific key feature that Google added?  I am trying to implement a security app in which I need to read other apps on the device.. if they are encrypted, I cannot scan them.. is there a work around for this?
Nov 10 01:58:57 <SpeedEvil> root the phone, I think is the only way
Nov 10 02:16:47 <Sepho> Hi guys
Nov 10 02:19:29 <Sepho> I've an android book but it has about 2 years and it's focus on android 2.2... I was thinking about to buy a new one so.. any recommended one? Focused on 4.0 and above if it's possible
Nov 10 02:25:40 <GH0> Would anyone happen to know if it is possible to grab debugging information from a website through firefox? I went through logcat, but that didn't seem to provide much information, as the app didn't really crash.
Nov 10 02:28:44 <DanDaMan1200> hi all
Nov 10 02:29:58 <DanDaMan1200> Im interested in making roms, but I don't know where to start.... was hoping I came to the right place for help
Nov 10 02:30:21 <JeZ-l-Lee> Root/custom ROMs, head to #android-root
Nov 10 02:30:45 <DanDaMan1200> how do I get there from here?
Nov 10 02:34:30 <DanDaMan1200> thank you jez I found it
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