**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 18 02:59:59 2012
Nov 18 03:02:39 <BenLue> salut guys, 1 question, were can i get the Lockscreen ring? Is this an Gapp
Nov 18 03:02:42 <BenLue> ?
Nov 18 03:52:46 <svm_invictvs> Is there a way to just get a listing of all the classes in an APK?
Nov 18 03:53:22 <canadiancow> why
Nov 18 03:53:45 <svm_invictvs> To see if my pacakger script is working.
Nov 18 03:54:05 <ron_frown> unzip it
Nov 18 03:54:22 <canadiancow> yea - that
Nov 18 03:54:26 <canadiancow> or try apktool
Nov 18 03:54:31 <svm_invictvs> Yeah
Nov 18 03:54:59 <svm_invictvs> unzip and then dexdump |grep com/package/class/im/looking/for
Nov 18 03:55:09 <svm_invictvs> not there
Nov 18 03:55:16 <svm_invictvs> so my script is broken
Nov 18 04:02:22 <SeaOrifice> i am running JZO54K on i9000 and i think it has logcat disabled.. how do i enable it?
Nov 18 04:04:33 <turb1ne247> Anybody know the fees for putting an app in the play store?
Nov 18 04:04:54 <drpenguin> turb1ne247: I believe its 20 or 25 to sign up as a developer, no fee per app
Nov 18 04:05:42 <turb1ne247> Nice. Is there an app approval process?
Nov 18 04:05:54 <drpenguin> turb1ne247: nope
Nov 18 04:07:22 <turb1ne247> Sweet. Im a noob. But i discovered an app that's not on the store that i think i can write. Im excited
Nov 18 04:07:41 <drpenguin> turb1ne247: good luck to you ir
Nov 18 04:07:43 <drpenguin> s/ir/sir/
Nov 18 04:08:22 <turb1ne247> Thanks :)
Nov 18 05:07:43 <fireshaper> for some reason removeAllViews() isn't clearing out the TextViews I have in a LinearLayout
Nov 18 05:22:04 <canadiancow> fireshaper, you're doing it wrong then
Nov 18 05:22:12 <fireshaper> hmm
Nov 18 05:22:32 <fireshaper> I add the textview as I read from a db
Nov 18 05:22:59 <fireshaper> but before that I remove all views
Nov 18 05:23:21 <fireshaper> if I click the textview it should update the db and then remove all views and read from the db again
Nov 18 05:24:13 <g00s> wat
Nov 18 05:24:56 <fireshaper> http://pastebin.com/DE0fufku
Nov 18 05:24:59 <g00s> fireshaper: if you have a variable amount of data, its advised to use some AdapterView, like ListView
Nov 18 05:25:48 <fireshaper> But shouldn't this act the same way?
Nov 18 05:33:24 <canadiancow> fireshaper, do what g00s said
Nov 18 05:33:27 <canadiancow> it's the proper approach :)
Nov 18 05:34:05 <fireshaper> meh
Nov 18 05:34:44 <fireshaper> but this is the easy approach :)
Nov 18 05:35:02 <g00s> glad its working for you ;)
Nov 18 05:36:25 <canadiancow> easy is a relative term
Nov 18 05:37:09 <canadiancow> is it going to be easy when you need to mak ea slight change in a week that's really difficult because of how you've done this?
Nov 18 05:37:14 <vydd> when using GL_OES_texture_float extension and loading a texture with GL_RGBA and GL_FLOAT, I'll get a texture of floats, not vec4s; right?
Nov 18 05:37:22 <canadiancow> or when someone else needs to use your code, and can't figure it out because you've done something complicated
Nov 18 06:09:38 <ClientAlive> I'm having trouble understanding how to get the android system image and platform on my 64 bit linux machine. I've been on google and developer.android for a while now but not seeing any clear how-to info on my next steps. Can anyone help?
Nov 18 06:10:25 <offby1> ClientAlive: you install Eclipse (which is a pain in the butt in itself )...
Nov 18 06:10:40 <offby1> then you install a "plugin" by pasting a URL into some form in Eclipse
Nov 18 06:10:46 <offby1> then it downloads the Android SDK manager
Nov 18 06:10:54 <offby1> then you run that and tick the boxes for stuff you want.
Nov 18 06:11:07 <offby1> I did this on Debian 32-bit and it was ... well it was a pain in the ass, but I eventually got it.
Nov 18 06:12:15 <ClientAlive> offby1: That makes sense. I have/had eclipse (with the stuff for java dev and c/c++ dev) and I just got the android sdk from developer.android.com and unpacked it on my system. The next step is to instlall the eclipse plugin and proceed from there as you say?
Nov 18 06:12:36 <Sculptor> here http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
Nov 18 06:12:38 <ClientAlive> mines ubuntu so I expect something to blow up
Nov 18 06:13:01 <offby1> ClientAlive: it should work fine on Ubuntu.
Nov 18 06:13:02 <Sculptor> ClientAlive, on ^ url, there's "troubleshooting ubuntu"
Nov 18 06:13:34 <offby1> ClientAlive: if I recall correctly, things fail cryptically unless you have the right flavor of Java; I don't know if the default Java on Ubuntu is right or not (it sure wasn't on Debian)
Nov 18 06:14:14 <offby1> It took me many hours and much frustration, but I did get it, eventually.
Nov 18 06:14:34 <ClientAlive> that's the page i'm on. they say ", then select additional Android SDK packages to install (such as the Android platform and system image)." and in another place that you should have those things before installing the eclipse plugin (I think). so there is instruction to install the android sdk but it ends there (nothing on the "platform" and "system image")
Nov 18 06:15:10 <ClientAlive> I have oracle's version 7 (7,2 I think it is)
Nov 18 06:18:42 <offby1> That's probably the right one
Nov 18 06:19:16 <ClientAlive> I found it: it's on this page they tell you to have all those android things before installing the eclipse plugin: http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/installing-adt.html
Nov 18 06:19:34 <ClientAlive> I thought it was but I think I misread something - I'mna give it a shot
Nov 18 06:20:54 <offby1> the URL sounds right
Nov 18 06:25:20 <ClientAlive> I blew it. I got anxious and didn't read down far enough - DOH!
Nov 18 06:25:22 <ClientAlive> thx man
Nov 18 06:28:50 <ClientAlive> can you install more than one api? If so, how far back from the most recent should I go in order to target the phones people are using now? And, if you can install more than one, do you have to configure something to know which one to use?
Nov 18 06:29:11 <offby1> yes, you can install multiple APIs; but I suspect it's fine to just use the default
Nov 18 06:29:27 <offby1> I don't understand the details, but you can target old phones even with a new API.
Nov 18 06:29:36 <ClientAlive> ok
Nov 18 06:29:42 <offby1> which makes me wonder why anyone would install any API other than the latest.
Nov 18 06:30:30 <ClientAlive> just that I remember watchine a conference on youtube (the android developers were talkking) and they mentioned that using the most recent one (is it dalvik?) would not target very many android users.
Nov 18 06:30:58 <ClientAlive> cause the phones most people have are older and run an older version
Nov 18 06:31:20 <ClientAlive> like 90% ppl or something
Nov 18 06:31:55 <Sculptor> ClientAlive, http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Nov 18 06:32:20 <Sculptor> as you can see, majority uses api 10+
Nov 18 06:32:38 <Sculptor> well, 8+
Nov 18 06:32:48 <ClientAlive> ok
Nov 18 06:33:10 <ClientAlive> well the android sdk manager list up to 17
Nov 18 06:34:26 <ClientAlive> so what happens when you want to develop with one over the other? Does eclipse just list them when you go to create a new project?
Nov 18 06:34:57 <Sculptor> one over the other?
Nov 18 06:35:46 <offby1> ClientAlive: I think you're right; I seem to recall being asked what API version my project needs to support
Nov 18 06:36:56 <ClientAlive> well I'm not very familiar with doing this. I'm just getting set up so I can start learning. I assume you have to choose a specific api to do your project under each time you do a project.
Nov 18 06:37:21 <Sculptor> yes
Nov 18 06:37:32 <Sculptor> ClientAlive, if you want to support lower API after some time
Nov 18 06:37:38 <Sculptor> you just downgrade api level
Nov 18 06:37:51 <Sculptor> and eclipse will report everything that's not supported by lower api
Nov 18 06:38:23 <lasserix> Is there a way to tell if a device is using a non-stock launcher?
Nov 18 06:39:02 <Sculptor> ClientAlive, project.properties
Nov 18 06:39:06 <Sculptor> target=android-10 etc
Nov 18 06:39:10 <ClientAlive> ok
Nov 18 06:39:28 <ClientAlive> I'm sure I'll get to learn about it in detail in the ensuing days  :)
Nov 18 06:41:43 <Sculptor> i was that eager, 3 weeks ago. now, i'm slowly procrastinating my way into android
Nov 18 06:42:11 <g00s> procrastinating ftw!
Nov 18 06:42:49 <Sculptor> heh
Nov 18 06:53:44 <jeppy`> anybody want to sell me their nexus 4 at a discount price?
Nov 18 06:56:02 <ClientAlive> what is this thing talking about? After using the android sdk manager to install stuff I get a window asking me for login information. I don't have an account for that I don't think
Nov 18 07:27:12 <lasserix> Is it possible to concat resource pointers? ie res-v12-large?
Nov 18 07:27:31 <lasserix> res/*-v11-large / small / etc?
Nov 18 07:29:37 <lasserix> nm
Nov 18 07:31:41 <canadiancow> yes lasserix, but it has to be in a certain order
Nov 18 07:34:26 <Looney> came across urlimageviewhelper, any feedback about it
Nov 18 07:34:34 <Looney> seems a great thing to me
Nov 18 07:35:08 <Looney> from the title and functionality but would love to hear your feedback if anyone has used it
Nov 18 07:35:08 <lasserix> canadiancow-Oh could you point out how to do res/values-v11-large or something?
Nov 18 07:35:25 <canadiancow> are you using eclipse with adt?
Nov 18 07:35:30 <lasserix> i am
Nov 18 07:35:31 <canadiancow> it has a wizard for creating resource direcotries
Nov 18 07:35:36 <lasserix> ahh ok thanks
Nov 18 07:36:01 <canadiancow> if you do "new android xml file"
Nov 18 07:36:09 <canadiancow> once you get past the file name, it lets youc hoose your resource qualifiers
Nov 18 07:36:18 <lasserix> cool thanks
Nov 18 07:36:29 <canadiancow> i believe you want values-large-v11, but in cases i'm unfamiliar with, the wizard works ;)
Nov 18 07:36:51 <canadiancow> or http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#table2
Nov 18 07:36:57 <canadiancow> they have to be in the order listed in that table
Nov 18 08:19:55 <nickgaw> Hi, Why when trying to buildf the android emulator on mac osX after doing source build/envsetup.sh then lunch full-eng I get errors about bash not being able to change to the /volumes/android directory when the directory exists as I am in it and sudo does not fix the issues?
Nov 18 08:21:29 <bigmeow> hi all
Nov 18 08:21:39 <lasserix> hello
Nov 18 08:21:42 <bigmeow> why i failed to push to sdcard, the error msg is failed to copy to sdcard:read-only file system
Nov 18 08:21:56 <lasserix> are you using permission write external storage?
Nov 18 08:22:09 <bigmeow> this dir should not be readonly
Nov 18 08:22:21 <bigmeow> lasserix: i am using adb push command
Nov 18 08:23:21 <lasserix> No idea sorry
Nov 18 08:25:22 <nickgaw> Is this the proper channel for talking about building the android source?
Nov 18 08:26:29 <timroes> bigmeow: are you pushing to a real device or the emulator?
Nov 18 08:30:02 <bigmeow> timroes: to a real device
Nov 18 08:30:14 <timroes> okay then no idea either :/
Nov 18 08:30:29 <bigmeow> timroes: after rebooting it, i can push the file now, android is weird:(
Nov 18 08:30:49 <timroes> always try turning it off and on again :)
Nov 18 08:31:57 <roger_rabbit> greets
Nov 18 08:32:40 <nickgaw> I am mainly trying to test out the compilation time not planning on running the emulator as I read it is not really usable after compiled on lion or mountain lion is this true?
Nov 18 08:55:33 <lasserix> So this is a general question, if I have instantiate a non-static object (named mObject), by calling a static method from that object's class which returns a non-static instance of that object, there is nothing static about the object mObject?
Nov 18 08:56:09 <lasserix> * the class itself is also non static
Nov 18 08:56:22 <timroes> lasserix: static is never linked to any object, but only to the class itself
Nov 18 08:56:50 <timroes> you can ofc call any static method on your object like mObject.myStaticMethod(), what is bad java coding style, because you should do MyClass.myStaticMethod() instead
Nov 18 08:57:37 <timroes> because with the first way, it looks like the method has anything to do with the object, but infact it only has somethign to do with the class
Nov 18 08:58:04 <lasserix> Right, I was just wondering cause I believe in the past when I had less than a clue what I was doing I caused many a leak. So I was just curious, I think I am understanding the concepts now. Anyways I was just trying to get an instance based on a switch and wanted to make sure I was not creating static references that might be leaked.
Nov 18 08:58:41 <timroes> you can make some easy misstakes, in using static class variables where you should use fields
Nov 18 08:58:50 <lasserix> yeah tell me about ;p
Nov 18 08:59:12 <timroes> so you have something related to a object, accidentlly declared static, and ofc you can call this from inside the object and change it, but its the same variable for every object of that type, and baaam you're doomed
Nov 18 09:00:09 <lasserix> Right in previous classes they usually exampled this with a static count ++'d every time the constructor was called
Nov 18 09:00:11 <lasserix> thanks
Nov 18 09:00:51 <timroes> btw I can highly recommend Joshua Bloch's Effective Java book, for explanation on how to make java the really right way, had a lot of information inside, I haven't known before, like how to make a class the best non subclasseable, and stuff like that
Nov 18 09:03:03 <lasserix> thanks
Nov 18 09:06:54 <g00s> effective java was good
Nov 18 09:07:14 <g00s> that + jcip are pretty much the canonical java books
Nov 18 09:38:59 <skfax> Having some issues getting my Galaxy Nexus recognized while in fastboot mode in Windows 8. "Verizon_Wireless_I515_Galaxy_Nexus_USB_Driver_v1.4.6.0.exe" simply fails to start properly? Any hints?
Nov 18 09:58:14 <superlinux-hp> hi. which is the most recommended java library compatible with android for plotting graphs and polynomials
Nov 18 09:58:16 <superlinux-hp> ??
Nov 18 09:59:16 <lasserix> hp: http://wptrafficanalyzer.in/blog/category/android/page/2/
Nov 18 09:59:31 <lasserix> have not tried but found, might be helpful for graphs
Nov 18 09:59:43 <superlinux-hp> ok
Nov 18 10:00:14 <superlinux-hp> lasserix, cos i am aiming at drawing graphs for engineering problems
Nov 18 10:09:56 <Sculptor> supporting opengl es 1.x device is not a good idea. amirite?
Nov 18 10:10:01 <Sculptor> devices
Nov 18 10:10:07 <guigui22> Hi everybody. I'm working on a personal application. I'm running two thread to get data from a API. And I would like to go to another view when the two threads are over. The fact is i've no ideas how can I wait for those two thread ...
Nov 18 10:10:52 <lasserix> hp you might see if there is a opengl graph drawer, depending on what you want out of it (i kno those engineering equations can be complicated)
Nov 18 10:11:25 <lasserix> sculptor 90% supports 2.0
Nov 18 10:11:28 <lasserix> http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Nov 18 10:11:36 <Sculptor> api 8+
Nov 18 10:12:51 <lasserix> scroll down the buttom
Nov 18 10:13:45 <Sculptor> good news
Nov 18 10:16:29 <EvOox-> hi andro dev :)
Nov 18 10:17:02 <EvOox-> guigui22: use callback
Nov 18 10:17:17 <guigui22> callback ?
Nov 18 10:17:57 <EvOox-> guigui22: yes I wrote an article about asynctask and callback on my blog if you wabnt to get a look on it
Nov 18 10:18:25 <guigui22> yes sure what's the url?
Nov 18 10:19:04 <neure> hi
Nov 18 10:19:26 <neure> Is the ssh client I can run from adb shell?
Nov 18 10:20:20 <EvOox-> wait guigui
Nov 18 10:20:28 <EvOox-> my mouse is down :s
Nov 18 10:27:59 <EvOox-> guigui22: http://blog.evoxmusic.fr < second article
Nov 18 10:28:07 <guigui22> ok thanks
Nov 18 10:33:22 <Udmurt> Hi! I'm using https://github.com/mosabua/maven-android-sdk-deployer and actionbarsherlock. So I get an error from dex that class already added. How to solve it?
Nov 18 10:33:55 <monsti> maybe duplicated android compatibility libraries
Nov 18 10:34:09 <monsti> or a 2nd erfernce to the actionbarsherlock
Nov 18 10:37:20 <Udmurt> yes, it is, because my pom depends on artifact android.support/compatibility-4 from maven-android-sdk-deployer (to use latest sdk) and actionbarsherlock depends on same lib with different artifact id. so question is there any way to say maven ignore actionbarsherlock dependency and use what i want without changing the actionbarsherlock pons?
Nov 18 10:45:48 <EvOox-> guigui22 is what you are looking for ?
Nov 18 11:11:47 <Tr4X> Hi everyone! Does anyone has a godd knowledge about the OBB Expansion Files, allowing to have more than 50Mo / app ?
Nov 18 11:13:31 <timroes> Tr4X: just ask your question, anyone knowing the answer, will then answer you
Nov 18 11:14:37 <Tr4X> Is there a way to create that kind of OBB file for testing purpose, without uploading my folder on the google play?
Nov 18 11:16:10 <Tr4X> the doc gives information about downloading it, testing it, but nothing about creating it by ourselves
Nov 18 11:17:01 <timroes> Tr4X: maybe that helps you http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11715855/steps-to-create-apk-expansion-file
Nov 18 11:19:01 <Tr4X> yeah I've seen that one, but it suppose you already have your app on the market, and so if you want to get that obb file, the app must be available, it's not the case since my app is currently work in progress
Nov 18 11:26:56 <aoclown> Okay, I've got a doozie. About to release my app tonight... Testing on various emulators.. Somehow my list items are showing up as 3-button dialogs with a close button on the left side...
Nov 18 11:27:10 <aoclown> But only in emulators. On my phone it works fine..
Nov 18 11:27:26 <aoclown> The scary part is this version is targetting android8, and I don't have an android 8 phone.
Nov 18 11:27:35 <aoclown> api*
Nov 18 11:32:45 <SimonVT> And what's the error?
Nov 18 11:32:52 <aoclown> No error.
Nov 18 11:33:03 <aoclown> Just.. my list items are dialog boxes with pressable buttons that do nothing.
Nov 18 11:33:12 <aoclown> ANd the list items don't function as list items anymore.
Nov 18 11:33:12 <aoclown> lol.
Nov 18 11:33:30 <aoclown> If it 'sounds' confusing, I assure you it looks much more so.
Nov 18 11:35:00 <aoclown> SimonVT: It just seems like a horrendous idea to go ahead with signing + release if the emulator is giving me such strange results.
Nov 18 11:35:07 <SimonVT> I have a hard time imagining what the issue is
Nov 18 11:35:55 <aoclown> I could screenshot it if you'd like.
Nov 18 11:36:08 <aoclown> With a capture of the log.
Nov 18 11:37:13 <aoclown> Starting up emulator. BRB 4hrs
Nov 18 11:37:33 <aoclown> You know, I tried the whole x86 android on a VBox, it didn't help at all lol.
Nov 18 11:38:20 <clever> aoclown: ive found that the 2.2 arm image boots a lot faster in the emulator
Nov 18 11:38:44 <aoclown> clever: I'm using 2.2 API 8 Arm image. :D
Nov 18 11:38:56 <clever> and while it lacks google play store (and GCM apis) you can also try booting http://www.android-x86.org/ on a real machine
Nov 18 11:38:58 <aoclown> I think this laptop sucks.
Nov 18 11:39:08 <clever> ive ran it on my laptop before, pure android, no vm, no other os
Nov 18 11:39:14 <aoclown> Oh nice.
Nov 18 11:39:27 <aoclown> I don't have any hardware that I own here, so I can't try it. But it sounds good.
Nov 18 11:39:52 <clever> its also possible to just dual boot, but it would be a pain to reboot every time you need to test
Nov 18 11:41:19 <aoclown> True.
Nov 18 11:41:26 <aoclown> Okay, prepare to be stunned.
Nov 18 11:41:54 <aoclown> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gw37pwetcwo119/device-2012-11-18-204035.png
Nov 18 11:41:56 <clever> i think the android-x86 branch provides an iso file, but i just tore it open, and forced it to be a 2nd option on my usb stick
Nov 18 11:42:09 <aoclown> https://www.dropbox.com/s/03mzkptk62940xa/whatthe.png
Nov 18 11:42:12 <clever> so i had a usb stick with dual boot gentoo/android
Nov 18 11:42:17 <aoclown> Oh, Gentoo user?
Nov 18 11:42:26 <clever> yep
Nov 18 11:42:28 <aoclown> I fancy your style sir.
Nov 18 11:42:53 <clever> no clue why your getting differennt interfaces
Nov 18 11:43:04 <clever> but at a glance, it feels like the 2nd is an error message telling you whats wrong
Nov 18 11:43:08 <clever> with white on white text
Nov 18 11:44:25 <aoclown> Oh?
Nov 18 11:44:26 <aoclown> Hm.
Nov 18 11:44:29 <aoclown> Could be I suppose.
Nov 18 11:44:33 <aoclown> I could change my theme and see what happens.
Nov 18 11:45:26 <SimonVT> What list item layout are you using
Nov 18 11:46:55 <aoclown> android.R.layout.simple_list_item_activated_1
Nov 18 11:47:08 <aoclown> Hm. I wonder if that exists in API level 8?
Nov 18 11:47:13 <aoclown> I'm targetting 11.
Nov 18 11:47:16 <SimonVT> It doesn't
Nov 18 11:47:19 <aoclown> WELL THEN
Nov 18 11:47:23 <aoclown> That'd be why.
Nov 18 11:47:30 <aoclown> Oh that's horrible news.
Nov 18 11:47:50 <aoclown> I guess I have to pull the layout from api level 11 into my project :(
Nov 18 11:48:14 <SimonVT> And you should target >=14
Nov 18 11:48:22 <aoclown> Oh.
Nov 18 11:48:32 <aoclown> That does make more sense doesn't it?
Nov 18 11:48:41 <aoclown> I don't know why I targetted lower to be honest.
Nov 18 11:48:53 <aoclown> I thought it made sense at the time because I have two versions supporting different api levels.
Nov 18 11:49:13 <SimonVT> Now that doesn't make any sense
Nov 18 11:49:36 <aoclown> Hey, it's my first app. :(
Nov 18 11:50:14 <aoclown> Is there any activated list style in api level 8?
Nov 18 11:50:26 <aoclown> Seems like you may know the answer to this seeing as you knew it didn't exist.
Nov 18 11:50:48 <SimonVT> setActivated didn't exist in api8, so no
Nov 18 11:51:06 <aoclown> Oh.
Nov 18 11:51:06 <aoclown> My god.
Nov 18 11:51:14 <aoclown> That's so intense.
Nov 18 11:51:26 <aoclown> How is this even running without just blowing up and dying?!?
Nov 18 11:51:46 <aoclown> Well, simplifies the code on the API v8 version.
Nov 18 11:52:49 <aoclown> You know why I made two versions? Because Action Bar Sherlock doesn't support search hints.
Nov 18 11:53:00 <aoclown> And that's how my origial version did search. You just pick suggestions.
Nov 18 11:53:05 <aoclown> You don't get a new activity.
Nov 18 11:53:12 <aoclown> So it completely ruined everything having to suuport 8.
Nov 18 11:53:14 <aoclown> I hate 8 so much :(
Nov 18 11:55:11 <SimonVT> Pretty sure suggestions for the searchview was merged yesterday
Nov 18 11:55:44 <aoclown> O_O
Nov 18 11:55:55 <aoclown> You've gotta be kidding me.
Nov 18 11:56:11 <SimonVT> Besides
Nov 18 11:56:43 <superlinux-hp> can someone tell me what the need for the Android Support Library that's put inside eclipse project?
Nov 18 11:56:51 <SimonVT> You could've used the ABS version on old platforms, and the native searchview when available
Nov 18 11:57:07 <aoclown> superlinux-hp: It's so you can use new cool stuff from later api versions in old crappy versions of android.
Nov 18 11:57:23 <superlinux-hp> ah ok
Nov 18 11:57:30 <superlinux-hp> that's good
Nov 18 11:57:59 <aoclown> SimonVT: That's true. But this way one of the versions has no huge extra pile of library that's completely unnecessary.
Nov 18 11:58:26 <SimonVT> Instead you have to fix bugs twice :p
Nov 18 11:58:51 <aoclown> No way.
Nov 18 11:58:56 <aoclown> Git's too good for that ;)
Nov 18 11:59:06 <aoclown> fix bug, merge.
Nov 18 11:59:36 <aoclown> I've got them all in seperate branches. And despite having radically different code, things as complex as a complete fragment management rewrite were a breeze to merge through.
Nov 18 11:59:56 <aoclown> Also..
Nov 18 11:59:57 <aoclown> 4 times.
Nov 18 12:00:06 <aoclown> 2 versions, 2 free, 2 ad supported
Nov 18 12:00:07 <aoclown> lol.
Nov 18 12:00:13 * aoclown stabs self
Nov 18 12:00:35 <aoclown> Oh btw, the app title in Google play is taken right from the manifest??
Nov 18 12:00:48 <aoclown> Or do you create it yourself? Because I have to update some string files if that's the case.
Nov 18 12:01:35 <SimonVT> You create it yourself
Nov 18 12:01:40 <aoclown> Ok nice.
Nov 18 12:02:00 <aoclown> A bit weird they wouldn't parse the manifest in some way for that...
Nov 18 12:02:07 <aoclown> Seeing as that could take care of localization.
Nov 18 12:02:14 <aoclown> How do you localize the app name?
Nov 18 12:02:19 <SimonVT> You might not want to name it the same on market as on the homescreen
Nov 18 12:02:20 <aoclown> If you don't have your xml files etc.
Nov 18 12:02:36 <aoclown> Yeah, I want to name one: Blah (Ad Supported), Blah
Nov 18 12:02:40 <aoclown> Like that.
Nov 18 12:02:44 <aoclown> That sentence came out weird.
Nov 18 12:02:44 <SimonVT> You just add languages on the dev page
Nov 18 12:02:47 <aoclown> Ah cool.
Nov 18 12:02:47 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 12:03:16 <aoclown> Well I'm going to tear out all the code from the v8 and v8ads version for highlighting lists, and be on my merry way.
Nov 18 12:03:19 <Tr4X> SimonVT: put different string.xml files in different values folder, like "values-fr" "values-en", etc
Nov 18 12:03:29 <bigmeow> hi all
Nov 18 12:03:39 <Tr4X> sorry it was for aoclown ^^
Nov 18 12:03:41 <aoclown> Tr4X: I asked the question, and it was specific to naming on Google Play.
Nov 18 12:03:43 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 12:03:44 <bigmeow> where did android store all the contacts?
Nov 18 12:03:54 <bigmeow> it that in a sqlite file?
Nov 18 12:03:56 <aoclown> bigmeow: There's a ContentProvider you can access with it.
Nov 18 12:03:59 <aoclown> I do believe.
Nov 18 12:04:25 <aoclown> API samples has some stuff that touches that I think.
Nov 18 12:52:43 <aoclown> OH MAN
Nov 18 12:52:47 <aoclown> Exciting. About to upload things to play store.
Nov 18 12:52:52 <aoclown> As soon as I sign etc.
Nov 18 12:52:54 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 13:17:27 <onigunn> is there any possibility to send a local notification which can be observed by any fragment/activity which registers itself to it like in iOS?
Nov 18 13:18:27 <timroes> onigunn: you can send a broadcast, and listen to that
Nov 18 13:18:38 <timroes> just a custom broadcast
Nov 18 13:18:58 <onigunn> timroes: thanks for this! i'll check the docs out
Nov 18 13:20:32 <timroes> onigunn: http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidBroadcastReceiver/article.html a good example
Nov 18 13:21:26 <onigunn> timroes: cheers
Nov 18 13:22:55 <timroes> you're welcome
Nov 18 13:43:37 <fakingfantastic> How can I tell my VideoView to load an InputStream?
Nov 18 13:50:23 <tdignan> fakingfantastic: looks like you can't. see the links on this thread though http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4096273/what-are-the-difference-between-mediaplayer-and-videoview-for-android
Nov 18 13:50:34 <tdignan> i believe you're going to need to access a MediaPlayer directly
Nov 18 13:51:40 <fakingfantastic> tdignan: yeah thanks man. I think I'm gonna abandon the stream idea. Im trying to work with expansion files, bit of a learning curve for this newb
Nov 18 13:52:03 <tdignan> yeah, using a stream of your own creation seems very inconvenient.
Nov 18 14:06:01 <donavan01> can anyone tell me how to get ubuntu to see my phone in adb?
Nov 18 14:07:11 <capella> connected through USB? USB debugging turned on? ADB DEVICES says anything?
Nov 18 14:07:36 <donavan01> normally it says nothing ... I followed a how to on line and I now have it saying ????????????   no permisions
Nov 18 14:08:01 <nighoo> donavan01 it's not nice to ask the same question in different channels at the same time...
Nov 18 14:08:41 <alankila> plus it's the most boring problem every. Android phones are ancient in computing terms, and ubuntu still fails to set them to work out of the box? It's disheartening.
Nov 18 14:09:32 <donavan01> we the problem is this a new phone without offical drivers for this
Nov 18 14:09:37 <aoclown> tdignan: I'm publishing my app!
Nov 18 14:09:40 <aoclown> It's exciting!
Nov 18 14:10:08 <SimonVT> You don't need drivers, you just need to add the udev rules
Nov 18 14:10:58 <aoclown> I think I learned a lot doing this project.
Nov 18 14:11:11 <tdignan> aoclown: awesome
Nov 18 14:11:36 <aoclown> I should have counted the amount of hiccups I encountered.
Nov 18 14:11:42 <tdignan> send a link when it is downloadable
Nov 18 14:11:46 <aoclown> Deal.
Nov 18 14:11:54 <aoclown> It probably won't excite anyone. But I certainly will.
Nov 18 14:13:07 <aoclown> Even with action bar sherlock and admobsdk, I'm under 1mb for my app.
Nov 18 14:13:20 <aoclown> That means there's both nothing in there, and I'm awesome.
Nov 18 14:13:24 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 14:14:19 <donavan01> simonvt ... I think thats what the how to was trying to get me to do but its written for older version of linux and it doesnt seem to work any advice?
Nov 18 14:20:01 <aoclown> Published!!!
Nov 18 14:20:03 <capella> http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html
Nov 18 14:20:05 <capella> fyi
Nov 18 14:22:10 <aoclown> Oh man.
Nov 18 14:22:15 <aoclown> I can't even find my own app on Google Play.
Nov 18 14:22:20 <aoclown> How the hell will anyone else? lol.
Nov 18 14:22:29 <tdignan> what title did you use
Nov 18 14:22:35 <aoclown> Grammar Books
Nov 18 14:22:41 <tdignan> its best to load your title with keywords
Nov 18 14:22:45 <tdignan> what does your app specifically do
Nov 18 14:22:51 <aoclown> Exactly that.
Nov 18 14:23:07 <tdignan> does it have anything to do with a specific grammar?
Nov 18 14:23:12 <aoclown> No.
Nov 18 14:23:15 <aoclown> That's the key.
Nov 18 14:23:16 <tdignan> what language?
Nov 18 14:23:19 <tdignan> any?
Nov 18 14:23:20 <aoclown> You can use it for any language.
Nov 18 14:23:23 <aoclown> And any book
Nov 18 14:23:27 <aoclown> Granted there's no translations.
Nov 18 14:23:55 <tdignan> do "Grammar Books for Language Learning and Practice"
Nov 18 14:23:59 <tdignan> or something
Nov 18 14:24:02 <aoclown> But
Nov 18 14:24:05 <aoclown> They said max 30 chars.
Nov 18 14:24:07 <aoclown> On Play store
Nov 18 14:24:58 <tdignan> that poses an issue
Nov 18 14:25:12 <tdignan> so, it helps you memorize grammar?
Nov 18 14:25:18 <aoclown> It's a portable reference
Nov 18 14:25:21 <aoclown> For your grammar books
Nov 18 14:25:37 <tdignan> if I were the person downloading this, what words would you associate with me
Nov 18 14:26:11 <aoclown> grammar, books, reference, portable, language
Nov 18 14:26:12 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 14:26:25 <Leeds> aoclown: does it actually include any content?
Nov 18 14:26:30 <tdignan> would I be a linguist, a language student, or?
Nov 18 14:27:19 <tdignan> a good name is both unique and loaded with a couple keywords
Nov 18 14:27:36 <tdignan> that way people looking for it will find it, and also people looking for something like it will find it
Nov 18 14:27:37 <aoclown> Language student.
Nov 18 14:27:49 <aoclown> Leeds: No, it contains no content, and it warns you about that in the description.
Nov 18 14:28:05 <Leeds> where do I get the content from?
Nov 18 14:28:12 <aoclown> Well,
Nov 18 14:28:16 <aoclown> There's export and import features.
Nov 18 14:28:18 <tdignan> adding content would probably make it a lucrative app
Nov 18 14:28:21 <aoclown> So you can send zip files to people.
Nov 18 14:28:24 <tdignan> like, you could charge with in-app billing
Nov 18 14:28:29 <Leeds> where do I get the content from... to import?
Nov 18 14:28:30 <aoclown> I kind of wanted to have a community around it
Nov 18 14:28:43 <Leeds> presumably it's more structured that just an ebook reader?
Nov 18 14:28:46 <aoclown> Leeds: Currently, no one has made any content for this app, including me.
Nov 18 14:29:15 <aoclown> The point is to convert a grammar textbook into a portable reference.
Nov 18 14:29:23 <tdignan> feel free to provide a link the maybe we can suggest better names
Nov 18 14:29:26 <aoclown> Because I'm often wondering how to conjugate a certain verb
Nov 18 14:29:27 <aoclown> Or something.
Nov 18 14:29:28 <aoclown> Sure.
Nov 18 14:30:46 <aoclown> I don't know how to get the link lmao.
Nov 18 14:30:54 <aoclown> I guess I could just type it in based on another person's thing.
Nov 18 14:31:24 <aoclown> Yeah.
Nov 18 14:31:24 <tdignan> yeah, that's the way to do it
Nov 18 14:31:40 <aoclown> I think the upload has not permeated throughout their infrastructure yet.
Nov 18 14:31:43 <Leeds> for the record: http://developer.android.com/distribute/googleplay/promote/linking.html
Nov 18 14:31:46 <aoclown> I got a 404.
Nov 18 14:32:01 <tdignan> it will be a while
Nov 18 14:32:36 <aoclown> :(
Nov 18 14:32:37 <aoclown> Sadface.
Nov 18 14:47:13 <capella> woo-hoo! got my G3 loading jellybean :P
Nov 18 14:48:34 <napster> I add an imageview to a scrolllView via code. But when rotating the device, the imageview clears out. How to handle such a situation? I tried android:configChanges="orientation"
Nov 18 14:48:55 <napster> It does not work
Nov 18 14:57:24 <Anoia> If you want to provide an activity to view/edit a particular type of data from a content type, what's the best way to pass the ID or a reference to that row?
Nov 18 14:57:58 <Anoia> an intent filter for the content uri?
Nov 18 15:02:01 <tdignan> napster: you shouldn't do that anyway, it's like putting a band aid on a broken bone
Nov 18 15:02:49 <tdignan> see here http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/runtime-changes.html
Nov 18 15:03:47 <tdignan> where's the image coming from for this imageview?
Nov 18 15:04:01 <tdignan> I have my own fork of ignition's remoteimageview that I use for remote images.
Nov 18 15:06:21 <napster> tdignan: let me check. the image comes from the internet
Nov 18 15:06:36 <tdignan> well, you need caching.
Nov 18 15:06:53 <napster> tdignan: i do already
Nov 18 15:07:05 <tdignan> so then on an orientation change, read the image back from the cache.
Nov 18 15:07:32 <napster> tdignan: which hook is triggered on orientation change?
Nov 18 15:07:51 <tdignan> the activity lifecycle repeats itself
Nov 18 15:07:56 <tdignan> restarts in onCreate again
Nov 18 15:07:58 <napster> i see
Nov 18 15:08:39 <tdignan> i have this detail abstracted away, because I use remoteimageview
Nov 18 15:09:04 <napster> ok, can I take a look at it?
Nov 18 15:09:10 <tdignan> sure, I'll publish my fork
Nov 18 15:09:24 <napster> thank you
Nov 18 15:09:28 <tdignan> it's the same as ignition except does not have their whole lib, builds without maven, and handles OOM
Nov 18 15:09:37 <tdignan> gimme 10-15
Nov 18 15:09:45 <napster> ok
Nov 18 15:16:27 <Kulverstukas> hello!
Nov 18 15:16:28 <lasserix> I had to do a system restore on my windows machine, now I am gettings for all of my projects in eclipse: Project has no project.properties file! Edit the project properties to set one.
Nov 18 15:16:52 <Kulverstukas> try Clean and rebuild.
Nov 18 15:17:56 <lasserix> Nope :?
Nov 18 15:18:00 <Kulverstukas> question: I have a large sqlite DB (~8mb, 2 tables with ~40k entries in each) and when I want to retrieve some specific entry it behaves very slowly
Nov 18 15:18:17 <Kulverstukas> takes a second or two to retrieve the entry
Nov 18 15:18:22 <lasserix> how are you retreiving the entry?
Nov 18 15:18:28 <lasserix> are you using indexing?
Nov 18 15:19:10 <Kulverstukas> no, I'm doing "SELECT word FROM table WHERE word = %s"
Nov 18 15:19:35 <Kulverstukas> the DB is properly formatted with _id column
Nov 18 15:19:53 <Kulverstukas> what do you mean by indexing?
Nov 18 15:20:23 <lasserix> http://www.sqlite.org/optoverview.html
Nov 18 15:20:29 <aoclown> :(
Nov 18 15:20:33 <aoclown> My app is still not alive.
Nov 18 15:21:04 <lasserix> It adds a sort to your table based on a column, so it can do binary search
Nov 18 15:23:17 <lasserix> Kulver: also if your app is doing other stuff while quering the database, you might want to offload the query into an async task or other worker thread
Nov 18 15:23:38 <Kulverstukas> yeah I have that in an asynctask
Nov 18 15:23:42 <Kulverstukas> still slow
Nov 18 15:24:06 <Kulverstukas> but with a small DB, with about 1k records, it very fast
Nov 18 15:24:10 <lasserix> yeah
Nov 18 15:24:12 <lasserix> try the indexing
Nov 18 15:24:54 <aoclown> OMG
Nov 18 15:24:57 <aoclown> It's alliiiivvvee!
Nov 18 15:24:59 <aoclown> :D
Nov 18 15:27:25 <Kulverstukas> another question: I have a progress dialog to show while the DB is loading in an asynctask and it was fine until I added ads to the app. To add ads I had to change target in project.properties to 15 (android 4) but I can control which versions the app can be used on with minSdkVersion in manifest. So, thing is that now everything loads but the progressdialog does not appear
Nov 18 15:27:33 <Kulverstukas> very strange thing...
Nov 18 15:32:47 <lasserix> Kulver: are you using raw sqlite statement queries?
Nov 18 15:32:57 <Kulverstukas> yes
Nov 18 15:34:18 <lasserix> Are you using like or where?
Nov 18 15:34:49 <lasserix> anyways I am not expert, you might try #sqlite they have smart, helpful folks in there for database questions
Nov 18 15:35:20 <Kulverstukas> I'm using both
Nov 18 15:35:24 <Kulverstukas> and thanks, I'll try that.
Nov 18 15:35:37 <lasserix> the like statement does a full table scan, which is probably why it takes so long
Nov 18 15:36:14 <Kulverstukas> yeah, I only use LIKE to search for the pattern while a user is enterring the word
Nov 18 15:41:52 <capella> anyone here know how to decompile / modify / recompile a single XML from a target APK?
Nov 18 15:44:28 <Kulverstukas> that's simple
Nov 18 15:45:09 <Kulverstukas> try apktool, that will decompile XML's into readable format and .class files into weird ASM code
Nov 18 15:45:35 <Kulverstukas> dex2jar will convert the APK into a JAR file which you can browse to see the plain java code with jdgui
Nov 18 15:45:37 <capella> ok - i have apktool but havent used it a lot
Nov 18 15:46:08 <capella> i just want to change a value in an XML file and put it back
Nov 18 15:46:38 <Kulverstukas> oh you cannot simply change a value in the compiled code and put it back...
Nov 18 15:46:40 <superlinux-hp> I need to make a label frame containing some radio buttons.  it's like a grouping of items with some text on the top-center of the frame. how can i achieve that? i want to tell the user what are those labels for
Nov 18 15:46:45 <Kulverstukas> you need to have an existing project, capella
Nov 18 15:46:47 <capella> i hacked a change to a bug in Sprint G3 with cell phone power consumption display ... now jellybean wont upgrade
Nov 18 15:47:08 <superlinux-hp> I need to make a label frame containing some radio buttons.  it's like a grouping of items with some text on the top-center of the frame. how can i achieve that? i want to tell the user what the group radio buttons are for for
Nov 18 15:47:18 <Kulverstukas> no need to spam, mmk?
Nov 18 15:47:32 <capella> well .... originally i just swapped out a singel XML file
Nov 18 15:48:05 <capella> (but didnt keep the original) the change is easy ... putting it back is where im stuck
Nov 18 15:48:12 <Kulverstukas> capella, I suppose it would work by swapping the XML's if you can compile the changed XML into android's XML bytecode
Nov 18 15:48:19 <Kulverstukas> and I am not sure how to do that
Nov 18 15:48:31 <capella> yep ... thats where i am
Nov 18 15:49:11 <capella> unless .... i put it into a different >scratch< project ... build it ... then copy it out ? that might work
Nov 18 15:50:18 <MyWay> hi
Nov 18 15:50:59 <Kulverstukas> capella, try it :P
Nov 18 15:51:13 <capella> heh - already hacking .... crosses fingers !
Nov 18 16:18:37 <capella> ok ... file hacked ... replaced ... rebooting and about to try JB upgrade
Nov 18 16:22:01 <capella> off goes the update ... waiting ...
Nov 18 16:23:30 <mdkess> So - expedia app has a cool parallax map - anyone have any idea how to pull off that effect?
Nov 18 16:43:10 <capella> bah - somethings still not right ... no JB
Nov 18 16:43:18 <historypeats> i don't get SQL injection with content providers
Nov 18 16:43:30 <historypeats> if you export your content provider, what does it matter if they can query anything
Nov 18 16:43:33 <lasserix> Anyone know where I can download java 1.6?
Nov 18 16:43:41 <historypeats> you obviously want them to query your data
Nov 18 16:45:39 <timroes> lasserix, what do you want to download? the JDK or just JRE, or the specification?
Nov 18 16:47:27 <lasserix> jdk: i had ABS working the other day but i had to install 1.6 enviroment to get it to function properly, but i had to a restore windows which has corrupted all my workspaces (no projects.properties found)
Nov 18 16:48:01 <lasserix> i think i found a valid link though , thanks
Nov 18 16:48:32 <timroes> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html this is the most common link :)
Nov 18 16:48:41 <timroes> but I guess its also the one you will have
Nov 18 16:49:15 <lasserix> ha ha i did but it was asking to register to download
Nov 18 16:49:36 <timroes> o.O doesnt ask for me :)
Nov 18 16:50:31 <meefs> historypeats, what don't you get
Nov 18 16:51:41 <capella> looks like its complaining of the sha1 checksum ...
Nov 18 16:52:59 <historypeats> meefs: where's the threat here
Nov 18 16:53:17 <historypeats> meefs: if you export your content provider, this means you're intentionally sharing your data
Nov 18 16:53:33 <historypeats> so if they can do sql injection they normally want your data
Nov 18 16:53:50 <historypeats> i mean… I can see them destroying data
Nov 18 16:54:40 <meefs> well sqli is a problem because it usually leads to further insecurities
Nov 18 16:54:55 <historypeats> like?
Nov 18 16:55:15 <historypeats> i can only see it as a threat retrieving data, modifying data, destroying data
Nov 18 16:55:18 <meefs> sometimes passwd's will be stored cleartxt, userdata may be available
Nov 18 16:55:30 <historypeats> okay
Nov 18 16:55:30 <meefs> arbitrary data can be loaded/executed
Nov 18 16:55:36 <meefs> standby
Nov 18 16:55:40 <historypeats> hmm, maybe i just have a misunderstanding on content providers
Nov 18 16:55:43 <meefs> its a serious issue
Nov 18 16:55:44 <meefs> yes
Nov 18 16:55:51 <historypeats> with content providers, do you only share specific data?
Nov 18 16:55:55 * meefs has a playlist for that
Nov 18 16:56:06 <historypeats> e.g. not the entire DB
Nov 18 16:56:06 <meefs> well I dont know honestly, I haven't dealt with them firsthand
Nov 18 16:56:08 <historypeats> but maybe a few tables
Nov 18 16:56:23 <meefs> usually people use CDN's to relieve network load though
Nov 18 16:56:30 <meefs> not to mirror their ops
Nov 18 16:56:46 <lasserix> historypeats: in your defining the content provider, you define what queries are executed
Nov 18 16:57:08 <historypeats> lasserix: Ah, okay. makes much more sense then. I thought you just shared your DB and the end user can query w/e
Nov 18 16:57:12 <lasserix> so if the query set you define in your content provider onQuery method is limited to x and x tables, sure it'll only include those
Nov 18 16:57:18 <meefs> historypeats, watch this when you have a moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pypTYPaU7mM
Nov 18 16:57:31 <historypeats> so a content provider is basically just public GETTERS/SETTERS, perse (if that's what you choose)
Nov 18 16:57:36 <historypeats> will do meefs
Nov 18 16:57:41 <meefs> and if you're curious about opsec, I have a number of youtubes linked on http://bit.ly/haxxinate
Nov 18 16:57:47 <historypeats> thanks!
Nov 18 17:01:14 <lasserix> historypetes you can think of it that way, but tailored for a database
Nov 18 17:02:25 <historypeats> i've been watching the android bootcamp 2012 by MarkanaTechTV and its been great so far
Nov 18 17:03:54 <meefs> links?
Nov 18 17:04:25 <historypeats> http://www.youtube.com/user/MarakanaTechTV
Nov 18 17:04:27 <historypeats> i do appsec
Nov 18 17:04:33 <historypeats> for work
Nov 18 17:04:38 <historypeats> and branching into android sec
Nov 18 17:04:43 <historypeats> so i'm trying to view threats and what not
Nov 18 17:04:53 <historypeats> this has been a god resource learning android thus far
Nov 18 17:04:58 <historypeats> besides android homepage
Nov 18 17:05:00 <historypeats> good*
Nov 18 17:05:21 <historypeats> and it's fun doing somethng new in security besides my typical webapp/network pentests
Nov 18 17:06:38 <meefs> you need to look up Georgia W. @ grmnn00bs.com
Nov 18 17:09:41 <capella> ok my galaxy S3 wont upgrade to JB OTA cause I've manually modified a framework-res.apk factory app (correction to the cell phone power reporting problem)
Nov 18 17:09:42 <capella> I can upgrade manually right? ... (googles...)
Nov 18 17:14:46 <capella> ah ... http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-l710-cyanogenmod-10-cm10-nightly-official-126603/
Nov 18 17:15:59 <capella> (dang... shouldve kepy a copy of the APK before I hacked it)
Nov 18 17:52:01 <ClientAlive> test
Nov 18 17:54:30 <offby1> exam
Nov 18 17:55:45 <ClientAlive> hey, so, last night I did the stuff from developer.android.com to get android set up in my existing eclipse ide. I got the android sdk, I installed the adt plugin to eclipse and I used the sdk manager to install stuff. However, when I look in file > new (on eclipse) there is no option to create an android project. If I look at various places in the settings I see a lot of stuff to do with android there and if I look in "window" (on
Nov 18 17:55:47 <ClientAlive> eclipse) there are some things to do with android. Can someone help me sort this out and get android working in my eclipse ide?
Nov 18 17:55:59 <ClientAlive> offby1: ha ha
Nov 18 17:56:36 <turb1ne247> Go to new then click other
Nov 18 17:56:49 <turb1ne247> You will see an android section
Nov 18 17:56:58 <ClientAlive> yes there is
Nov 18 17:57:21 <offby1> one of the many incomprehensible icons on the toolbar is "create new ANdroid project"
Nov 18 17:57:23 <ClientAlive> isn't there supposed to be an entry near the top like the java and c/c++ stuff is though?
Nov 18 17:57:45 <ClientAlive> ok
Nov 18 17:58:59 <turb1ne247> Not on mine
Nov 18 17:59:00 <ClientAlive> a person in a youtube vid was using indigo (I'm using juno) and they have a menu item (second item down right under "java project") that says something like android project.
Nov 18 17:59:05 <ClientAlive> ok
Nov 18 17:59:40 <turb1ne247> Im sure there's a way to add it. But i just goto other
Nov 18 18:00:00 <ClientAlive> right  :)
Nov 18 18:00:05 <ClientAlive> well, regardless, it is available - so I know it installed ok.
Nov 18 18:00:22 <ClientAlive> thx for pointing it out to me
Nov 18 18:02:46 <offby1> I think mine is Juno too
Nov 18 18:03:16 <ClientAlive> right on
Nov 18 18:03:35 <turb1ne247> Ya i use juno also
Nov 18 18:03:59 <ClientAlive> have you tried using the EE (enterprise edition) of things before? I wonder if it really does slow down your computer too much.
Nov 18 18:04:58 <Stephini> hihi
Nov 18 18:05:12 <ClientAlive> aye bro  :)
Nov 18 18:05:16 <ClientAlive> what up?
Nov 18 18:05:20 <offby1> ClientAlive: I don't think so.  If given the chance I avoid anything whose name contains the word "Enterprise".
Nov 18 18:05:36 <turb1ne247> No i just do simple android development. I run it on a slow netbook running fedora . I use an external monitor so i can properly see everything in eclipse
Nov 18 18:05:49 <ClientAlive> right on
Nov 18 18:06:03 <ClientAlive> I tried fedora before but it was a headache  :(
Nov 18 18:06:10 <ClientAlive> fedora 16
Nov 18 18:06:46 <Stephini> so i decided to install ICS on my xperia play because i want smartglass... :P... well the guide says i need fastboot...much googling later i have it...so i go to use it..need adb...google...install...try again...need adb... WTF?!? sorry that that was random i just dont know how to concisely say how i'm feeling...
Nov 18 18:07:04 <turb1ne247> Im on 17 and love it. What were the issues?
Nov 18 18:08:16 <turb1ne247> Stephini : sorry to hear that. I would follow the guide closer and make sure you have adb installed properly
Nov 18 18:08:21 <Stephini> what fedora was moonshine? cause that's when i last used it...altho i liked it personally.
Nov 18 18:09:15 <turb1ne247> Idk lol
Nov 18 18:09:44 <turb1ne247> ClientAlive what os do you run on your computer
Nov 18 18:10:07 <Stephini> the guide i found for adb said that i would need to install it using sdk manager. but when i followed the included link and downloaded the sdk it already had the platforms folder with adb in it...so i skipped to the path varriable stuff. sdk manager was anothe rheadache as it said it couldn't find the tools folder for the batch file. but i got it working somehow and downloading platforms wasn't even an option.
Nov 18 18:10:22 <ClientAlive> I'm an ubuntu man - started w/ it as my first linux exper. tried some other distros a couple yrs later, went back to ubu
Nov 18 18:10:59 <ClientAlive> had a lot of trouble intalling feodra (but I was trying to install it as efi install too).
Nov 18 18:11:15 <turb1ne247> Stephini: open the sdk manager and update the packages
Nov 18 18:11:28 <Stephini> wow...moonshine was 7...holy crap i'm way outa the loop on fedora stuff... :P
Nov 18 18:11:36 <ClientAlive> I'll leave you two too it though and not interrupt  :)
Nov 18 18:12:11 <turb1ne247> Ubuntu is awesome too. And you aren't interrupting. We can have multiple conversations lol
Nov 18 18:12:19 <Stephini> ok i have sdk manager basically downloading/updating everything...it's been at that for a while... :P
Nov 18 18:12:36 <Stephini> it's especially easy for those of us with ADD
Nov 18 18:12:39 <offby1> actually, in order to get just adb, you don't need to download all that much stuff.
Nov 18 18:12:46 <offby1> 50mb max if I recall correctly.
Nov 18 18:13:31 <Stephini> lolz offby1 i downloaded EVERYTHING for god measure...iv'e been heading my head against varios walls all day and night and wanna minimize future complications... :P
Nov 18 18:13:45 <turb1ne247> Offby1 is right. But it doesn't hurt to update it all especially if you plan on developing
Nov 18 18:13:48 <offby1> I know the feeling
Nov 18 18:13:53 <Stephini> good measure* sorry my steelseries shift doesn't seem to puck up every keystrike...
Nov 18 18:14:14 <Stephini> pick* that one had to be me i'm sure...
Nov 18 18:14:52 <Stephini> maybe it would be better if i dont spam the channel correcting every single typo...if you guys dont get what i'm saying just say and i'll clarify then... :P
Nov 18 18:15:37 <ClientAlive> Stephini: +1 on ADD
Nov 18 18:15:52 <turb1ne247> Haha its whatever.  what os is everyone running?
Nov 18 18:15:54 <ClientAlive> ha ha
Nov 18 18:16:17 <ClientAlive> ubuntu forever, forever ubuntu --ha ha
Nov 18 18:16:28 <Stephini> and yeah i do intend to dev...infact i'm playing with a new racing game in my head...for pc...but with android connectivity...(ever wich you could have a realistic rear veiw mirror in a racing game?)
Nov 18 18:16:31 <turb1ne247> Oh jeez
Nov 18 18:17:00 * Stephini hides her copy of windows 7.
Nov 18 18:17:00 <turb1ne247> I don't play games :p
Nov 18 18:17:03 <ClientAlive> ubuntu world domination...  lol
Nov 18 18:17:16 <turb1ne247> Eww windows
Nov 18 18:17:33 <Stephini> i know i'm a terrible programmer running windows...but what can i say?? GAMES!!!!!!!!!
Nov 18 18:17:41 <turb1ne247> Its sad more people don't use linux :(
Nov 18 18:18:02 <turb1ne247> Ya...if you game you have to have windows
Nov 18 18:18:05 <Stephini> it's the games barrier that stops most people i know.
Nov 18 18:18:57 <turb1ne247> I just downloaded hill climb racing on my phone. Its kinda fun
Nov 18 18:19:05 <Stephini> i used to just game in fedora using cedega i think it was? but quickly changed back to win when a ton of people got banned from warcraft for "botting" when it turned out they were using cedega..
Nov 18 18:19:23 <turb1ne247> Wow haha
Nov 18 18:19:50 <Zider> it's sad that people still run linux desktops. ;P
Nov 18 18:20:07 <turb1ne247> Why you say that
Nov 18 18:20:11 <Stephini> what other kind of desktop should one run?
Nov 18 18:20:23 <turb1ne247> I <3 tux
Nov 18 18:20:44 <turb1ne247> Tux is the linux penguin
Nov 18 18:21:01 <turb1ne247> Who is a hero
Nov 18 18:21:15 <Stephini> lolz i still think of tux as the linux mario...(he has his own kart game and bros style platformer game)
Nov 18 18:21:20 <ClientAlive> Stephini: http://youtu.be/0IfLasqAEUU
Nov 18 18:21:32 <turb1ne247> Yah  haha
Nov 18 18:21:35 <ClientAlive> and perhaps there is a way w/ more recent versions of windows
Nov 18 18:22:31 <ClientAlive> and http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html
Nov 18 18:22:35 <ClientAlive> Stephini:
Nov 18 18:22:52 <turb1ne247> Windows on mobile devices scare me
Nov 18 18:22:57 <Stephini> lolz when i want to do live i use one of my live thumbdrives...i still throw in my moonshine drive when windows is extra bad...
Nov 18 18:23:20 <ClientAlive> right on :)
Nov 18 18:23:39 <turb1ne247> I recently switched from an iphone to a droid. Once you root a droid and wipe the bloatware off they are blazing fast
Nov 18 18:24:15 <muhoo> zeeZ: sad? heheh.
Nov 18 18:24:17 <Stephini> lolz my xperia play started out fast...just had no room for installing the fracking games onto...which...really makes no bloody sense
Nov 18 18:24:38 <ClientAlive> bloat - now there's a word
Nov 18 18:24:39 <zeeZ> wat?
Nov 18 18:24:40 * muhoo has been running linux desktop for 12 years
Nov 18 18:26:12 <tdignan> napster: as promised, here's my remoteimageview fork https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-remoteimageview
Nov 18 18:26:46 <zeeZ> muhoo: :(){ :|:& };:
Nov 18 18:26:46 <napster> tdignan: Ah you are super cool. Let me take a look :)
Nov 18 18:26:49 <napster> thanks bro
Nov 18 18:27:10 <tdignan> napster: most of the work is done by the ignition project, but i added oom handling
Nov 18 18:27:18 <napster> ok
Nov 18 18:27:19 <tdignan> :)
Nov 18 18:27:47 <muhoo> zeeZ: and a find forkbomb to you too
Nov 18 18:27:47 <napster> I guess you have removed maven and all that shit. Ignition was not that easy to try out ;)
Nov 18 18:27:58 <tdignan> i'm using this to load mad amounts of images and it's blazing fast
Nov 18 18:28:06 <tdignan> yeah, I'm glad you see it my way, lol
Nov 18 18:28:07 <zeeZ> no, it means go fork yourself, going around hilighting random people like that
Nov 18 18:28:13 <napster> :)
Nov 18 18:37:47 <Sheek> whats up
Nov 18 18:41:08 <Sheek> Building an app anyone up to help
Nov 18 18:42:56 <turb1ne247> I might be interested. Info?
Nov 18 18:44:13 <Sheek> well im doin it for this thing for a school comp and just could use some help with it. soo.. not really a moneymaking venture.
Nov 18 18:45:11 <Sheek> sorry i worded that message wrong
Nov 18 18:51:09 <Stephini> what exactly is the goal/aim of the project?
Nov 18 18:51:31 <offby1> to get an "A" of course.
Nov 18 18:53:42 <Stephini> lolz well that is the real world goal of deving the project...but if it is the internal goal of the project itself than i dont think i wanna be part of that project as the code would most likely be less than...legal... :P
Nov 18 18:54:21 <Stephini> unless your teacher allows students to set grades... that would be a different story... :P
Nov 18 18:55:06 <tdignan> that app would be a hit
Nov 18 18:55:11 <tdignan> "Change your Grades Pro"
Nov 18 18:55:24 <tdignan> just put admob in it
Nov 18 18:55:35 <tdignan> one screen only can be a static bitmap
Nov 18 18:57:28 <Sheek> that would be nice wouldn't it but I think at that point it would just be easiest to hack the system
Nov 18 18:58:09 <Sheek> let me get the project started and ill be on and off with questions I just wasnted to see if this was a good source of help if needed
Nov 18 18:59:00 <turb1ne247> This is a great place for help. So are the android docs
Nov 18 18:59:42 <offby1> me, yesterday: <offby1> actually I only pop in here to complain, but that developer.android.com/training site is unusually good.
Nov 18 18:59:55 <Sheek> yea I know quite a bit of java, but I need to keep reading up on the specific parts of android.
Nov 18 19:00:32 <tdignan> Sheek: i was suggesting you make a prank app
Nov 18 19:00:42 <tdignan> like, it doesn't actually change grades. Just purports to.
Nov 18 19:00:43 <Sheek> goinig to a different subject, why are there so few software roots available for droids?
Nov 18 19:01:15 <Stephini> the whole java thing is the only thing that bugs me about android...i dropped out of college because java was the lowest level programming language they were willing to teach me...saying that in the future it'll be all you need to dev for most devices and taht c++ and such will soon die...then a few years later out comes the android sorta proving them right... >.<
Nov 18 19:02:34 <ivdorelian> college isn't really supposed to teach you programming languages
Nov 18 19:03:08 <Sheek> I dont know if i would call them right. I still believe even languages like C++ and even assembley are very important, because as soon as you start wanting to have the computer do what you want you need to be able to access the memory which many higher level languages dont give you much freedom in
Nov 18 19:03:31 <Stephini> what am i expected to be paying for 4-6 years of school in a programming major if not langauges?? context and problem solver thinking shouldn't take that long...
Nov 18 19:03:32 <tdignan> important for specialized work
Nov 18 19:03:48 <tdignan> for learning theoretical CS Stephini
Nov 18 19:04:00 <ivdorelian> it's not a programming major i'm pretty sure, but a CS one
Nov 18 19:04:19 <Sheek> Thats why im not doin CS
Nov 18 19:04:38 <ivdorelian> you can easily learn programming languages from the internet and from readily available books, you don't need college for that
Nov 18 19:04:45 <Stephini> i was in for a computer programming major...they had me scheduled for 4 years(6 if parttime studying) of java and html...
Nov 18 19:05:06 <Sheek> its seems unnesecary even to go to college for a degree like that just cause it is so easy to learn most of that on the internet
Nov 18 19:05:12 <tdignan> then you did the right thing by dropping out.
Nov 18 19:05:16 <ivdorelian> hmm, well this is the first time i'm hearing of a major in computer programming :P
Nov 18 19:05:29 <tdignan> ivdorelian: they have them at career schools
Nov 18 19:05:34 <tdignan> vocational ones
Nov 18 19:05:34 <Sheek> me too. Ive only heard of CS and software engineering
Nov 18 19:05:38 <ivdorelian> oh
Nov 18 19:05:46 <ivdorelian> well yeah, that sounds useless
Nov 18 19:05:49 <tdignan> indeed
Nov 18 19:06:04 <tdignan> just make some apps and you can get a job
Nov 18 19:06:15 <adq> CS gives you fundamental (to not say vital) basis
Nov 18 19:06:17 <Stephini> i was at the local state U...they had a CIS carreer path which you could major in DBE, CP, Net.
Nov 18 19:06:19 <Hodapp> Pick up a random Comp Sci paper anywhere from the past 2 decades, read it, and then try to tell me with a straight face that CS pertains mostly to specific languages, and that 'context' and 'problem solver thinking' are the entirety of it.
Nov 18 19:08:59 <DR01D-Engineer> id only get a degree if i wanted to be hired
Nov 18 19:09:08 <DR01D-Engineer> as opposed to working for yourself
Nov 18 19:09:26 <Sheek> working for yourself is a little risky though
Nov 18 19:09:26 <adq> funny i got degrees but I work for myself now
Nov 18 19:09:33 <Hodapp> Plenty of degrees are worth getting for other reasons than how good they make you look in an interview.
Nov 18 19:09:34 <DR01D-Engineer> very true sheek
Nov 18 19:09:41 <adq> knowledge is interesting.
Nov 18 19:09:50 <DR01D-Engineer> working for yourself you could become a millionare. or earn zero
Nov 18 19:09:50 <Sheek> but i do understand the appeal of it
Nov 18 19:10:09 <tdignan> degree is not required to get hired building apps for many places. you just need to have proven ability and be a good fit for their team.
Nov 18 19:10:24 <DR01D-Engineer> not required but it helps a lot
Nov 18 19:10:29 <tdignan> sure does
Nov 18 19:10:29 <adq> degree might help you because of "salary grid", in many corp env.
Nov 18 19:10:37 <Hodapp> s/proven/apparent/
Nov 18 19:10:38 <DR01D-Engineer> if they have 10 other applicants as good at building apps, also with degrees
Nov 18 19:10:38 <Hodapp> FTFY
Nov 18 19:10:41 <Stephini> my kid bro is getting ready to go to the same U for their new digital storytelling career path... >.<
Nov 18 19:11:04 <DR01D-Engineer> digital storytelling ?
Nov 18 19:11:11 <tdignan> DR01D-Engineer: the sad thing is that they don't, 10 competent programmers all apply for one job? that's a pipedream
Nov 18 19:11:19 <tdignan> lucky if theres 2-3
Nov 18 19:11:41 <Sheek> damn i love youtube
Nov 18 19:11:42 <DR01D-Engineer> so it isnt that competitive? i dont know i havnt applied
Nov 18 19:11:50 <Stephini> yeah ti's supposed to be for game dev...they hav ea major in it for each of sound, graphics, design, and coding
Nov 18 19:11:51 <tdignan> it depends, are you applying to google?
Nov 18 19:11:56 <tdignan> that's competitive
Nov 18 19:12:00 <tdignan> if you're applying to Joe's software
Nov 18 19:12:02 <tdignan> don't worry about it
Nov 18 19:12:04 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh
Nov 18 19:12:12 <adq> agreed with tdignan
Nov 18 19:12:22 <adq> they (goog) will ask you question about complexity (O(n))
Nov 18 19:12:29 <adq> good programmers should know about.
Nov 18 19:12:34 <ClientAlive> btw, I found out there is a way to customize the menu's (via: Window > Customize Perspective)
Nov 18 19:12:36 <ClientAlive> :)
Nov 18 19:12:47 <DR01D-Engineer> also who you know is apparently as important
Nov 18 19:12:53 <DR01D-Engineer> networking
Nov 18 19:13:21 <Hodapp> Networking gets you the interview. If you use the term past that, you're a fucking blowhard.
Nov 18 19:13:44 <DR01D-Engineer> haha
Nov 18 19:14:21 <ClientAlive> oh god how I love dual monitors! woo!!
Nov 18 19:14:30 <tdignan> is this your first time using them?
Nov 18 19:14:46 * Stephini is sad not to have DM anymore.
Nov 18 19:15:10 <adq> tdignan: he might be a philosophe, always suprised, never jaded -;)
Nov 18 19:15:46 <ClientAlive> tdignan: for a little bit now. My first nice desktop ( 2 x 23")
Nov 18 19:15:48 <Hodapp> I work at what might be considered a "Joe's Software" as adq said. It doesn't matter if you know everyone there, if any person in the interview gets the sense that you're trying to fool anybody by 'who you know' trying to trump a 'what you know' being horribly lacking, you stand no chance.
Nov 18 19:16:00 <tdignan> next surprise is seeing how much software has poor support for multi displays
Nov 18 19:16:23 <adq> Hodapp, it's not me who said that, but "cool story bro" :D
Nov 18 19:16:53 <Hodapp> adq: you agreed with who did say it! Close enough!
Nov 18 19:16:53 <tdignan> who brought up networking anyway
Nov 18 19:16:59 <DR01D-Engineer> i mentioned networking. but i agree with you
Nov 18 19:17:14 <Stephini> tdignan eyefinity or similar suites can sort out poor dual display support... :P
Nov 18 19:17:15 <DR01D-Engineer> i mentioned it was apparently useful but i didnt say what for
Nov 18 19:17:17 <adq> Hodapp, yes because it's really the reality. It depends on who you target
Nov 18 19:17:25 <adq> and what are they criteria to be satisfied
Nov 18 19:17:32 <tdignan> Hodapp: to be clear, it was not I who brought up networking. I just made the distinction in competing for a job at a small place versus a large corporation.
Nov 18 19:17:32 <adq> s/they/their
Nov 18 19:18:47 <tdignan> the cognitive dissonance is strong
Nov 18 19:19:06 <DR01D-Engineer> networking is also important for promotions and stuff maybe? depends on who is in charge i guess and what their motives are. you see lots of dumb people in high jobs... maybe programming companies there is less of that though
Nov 18 19:19:16 <Hoosteen> If I wanted to make an app that uses the ICS UI, should I use the level 14 API?
Nov 18 19:19:47 <adq> networking has always been important, but it's hard to exploit since you know everyone (almost) in this world with an average of 5 degrees (in connections)
Nov 18 19:19:59 <offby1> Hoosteen: I think you can use the latest UI and still support older devices as well.  I think.
Nov 18 19:20:05 <offby1> er, "latest API"
Nov 18 19:20:29 <DR01D-Engineer> well personally i wouldnt try to exploit anything unethical or unfair
Nov 18 19:20:42 <adq> ethic depends on space and time.
Nov 18 19:20:45 <DR01D-Engineer> but im glad i work for myself so i dont have to worry about people much
Nov 18 19:20:55 <tdignan> Hoosteen: you should build an app with the compat lib because 2.3 is still a significant chunk of devices. your app will still look native on ics and jb.
Nov 18 19:21:01 <Hoosteen> Cux there's the "Build SDK" and the "Minimum required SDK"
Nov 18 19:21:26 <tdignan> build sdk should be your target
Nov 18 19:21:37 <adq> DR01D-Engineer, same feeling, but don't you sometimes miss the coffee break (or the lunch) with others collegues, just to chit/chat
Nov 18 19:21:38 <tdignan> min should be the lowest version you support.
Nov 18 19:21:40 <adq> i miss that.
Nov 18 19:21:51 <Hoosteen> Soo.. build 4.2 and Minmum 2.3?
Nov 18 19:21:59 <tdignan> 8 and 17
Nov 18 19:22:22 <Hoosteen> Awesome, thanks.
Nov 18 19:22:38 <Hoosteen> And I don't have to worry about it looking native on ICS? It will already work fine?
Nov 18 19:22:41 <tdignan> np, make sure to read about actionbar compatibility or check out actionbar sherlock.
Nov 18 19:22:47 <tdignan> yeah.
Nov 18 19:23:07 <tdignan> you can specify different themes for different versions too. read up on resources.
Nov 18 19:23:27 <Hoosteen> Any good places to start?
Nov 18 19:23:35 <Maurits_> Hoosteen: that by itself is not a magical bullet
Nov 18 19:23:53 <Hoosteen> I want to eventually get to ROM development, but I was told to start with Apps
Nov 18 19:24:03 <Maurits_> Hoosteen: ie, if you don't use something like ActionBarSherlock you can target 4.2
Nov 18 19:24:03 <tdignan> Hoosteen: eh, just start on d.android.com
Nov 18 19:24:04 <Hoosteen> Maurits_: explain??
Nov 18 19:24:11 <Maurits_> but you won't have an actionbar on 2.x
Nov 18 19:24:22 <tdignan> you can always just make a fake actionbar
Nov 18 19:24:28 <tdignan> and use it only on 2.x
Nov 18 19:24:30 <Hoosteen> Ill look up this sherlock thing
Nov 18 19:25:19 <tdignan> abs days are numbered
Nov 18 19:25:20 <Maurits_> my point is, targeting 4.2 won't magically give you all the stuff that isn't in 2.3
Nov 18 19:25:35 <Maurits_> you have to use a compatibility library or use different implementations
Nov 18 19:25:50 <tdignan> well, you can use the compat lib and get a lot of it, then use Build.Version.SDK_INT to conditionally execute code.
Nov 18 19:26:13 <Hoosteen> Okay, i getchu.
Nov 18 19:26:40 <tdignan> since you are just learning... you might just not support 2.x
Nov 18 19:26:44 <lasserix> I have three app widgets, which all require some detailed processing to update; should I try and fit all the code into one service, or is it alright to define three seperate services?
Nov 18 19:26:48 <tdignan> since it might take you a while to get up to speed anyway
Nov 18 19:26:50 <tdignan> it might make sense
Nov 18 19:27:31 <Hoosteen> Thats what I was thinking. I'm not really getting money off this, and I don't really care if it is popular. ill just play around
Nov 18 19:27:33 <lasserix> Hoosteen if you are just learning and have a ICS device, coding for compatibility will take up a lot of time you could otherwise be learning
Nov 18 19:28:27 <Hoosteen> So Could u just make the minimum level 14 (4.0) and just ignore older versions all togethr?
Nov 18 19:28:48 <Maurits_> you could, if you don't care about people with 2.3 being able to run your app
Nov 18 19:28:57 <Maurits_> that's like 60% of the market though
Nov 18 19:29:42 <Hoosteen> I dont really care about them lol. This is relly only my first app. Ill deal with compatibility when I actually make something good
Nov 18 19:29:51 <Maurits_> sure, go for it then
Nov 18 19:31:02 <alankila> 2.3 is dropping under 50 % now, though. At least what google play sees.
Nov 18 19:31:08 <alankila> to be fair that's still obviously a lot
Nov 18 19:32:14 <turb1ne247> Which is generally considered more complicated? iOS dev or android?
Nov 18 19:32:19 <Hoosteen> I presiume that eventually, most of the older versions would upgrade once everyones 2 year contract is up
Nov 18 19:34:26 <DR01D-Engineer> do old phones get recycled?
Nov 18 19:34:30 <Stephini> one wonders how long it takes a kid to figure out why standing up under a table hurts...
Nov 18 19:35:25 <jeppy> DR01D-Engineer, yes
Nov 18 19:35:41 <Maurits_> generally, yes, but it'll still take a while
Nov 18 19:35:54 <DR01D-Engineer> good. id hate to thing all the valuable materials getting buried in a junkyard
Nov 18 19:35:57 <DR01D-Engineer> think*
Nov 18 19:35:59 <Maurits_> for the 2.x userbase to become small enough that they can be ignored
Nov 18 19:36:48 <jeppy> DR01D-Engineer, it depends if you throw them away or not
Nov 18 19:37:24 <lasserix> and there must be a giant wall o cell post modern art installation somewhere, if that counts as recycling ;p
Nov 18 19:37:27 <turb1ne247> Anyone have any thoughts on my question?
Nov 18 19:37:37 <Stephini> isn't it illegal in most of the US to use standard disposal for micro electronics and batteries?
Nov 18 19:37:50 <DR01D-Engineer> im sure many people throw them away.... whatever recycling company is out there should do more promotion... like they pay £10 for your old phone or something
Nov 18 19:38:01 <Hoosteen> turb1ne247: No idea, but im kinda intersted too
Nov 18 19:38:05 <DR01D-Engineer> or maybe when you upgrade your phone with your network, they take it and send it to the recycler
Nov 18 19:38:32 <lasserix> turb1ne247 : you could say that android's fragmentation makes it more "complicated" in the sense you have to handle it, whereas with ios you have a device standard ftmp
Nov 18 19:38:45 <Maurits_> it depends on who you ask
Nov 18 19:39:06 <DR01D-Engineer> android ui seems harder from what i heard
Nov 18 19:39:07 <Stephini> DR01D-Engineer, in my town the computer stores advert on tv about it being illegal to dispose of anythign with a battery or integrated circuit and then offer to buy them from you to recycle. :P
Nov 18 19:39:11 <Maurits_> objective c generally requires more technical knowledge to become proficient at
Nov 18 19:39:17 <lasserix> *technically you don't have to handle fragmentation, but if you don't you'll just either be making apps ONLY for tablets or some phone or your app will be more junk
Nov 18 19:39:35 <Maurits_> but the iPhone ecosystem is much simpler
Nov 18 19:39:39 <DR01D-Engineer> good to know stephini. iv never seen an advert for that in uk
Nov 18 19:39:45 <Maurits_> you can target 5-6 devices
Nov 18 19:39:48 <Maurits_> instead of 500
Nov 18 19:40:16 <DR01D-Engineer> how many devices should an android app be tested on for release?
Nov 18 19:40:29 <Maurits_> as many as feasible
Nov 18 19:40:33 <lasserix> as many as your local best buy has available
Nov 18 19:40:40 <jeppy> DR01D-Engineer, I used to work for such a company. They buy back phones for somewhat less than you could sell them on ebay for instance, but they also take worthless phones and recycle them.
Nov 18 19:40:54 <Stephini> if the app doesn't hafta be too fancy cant you just code it at the lowest version you expect to commonly be using it and have everyone else basically using an "out of date" version?
Nov 18 19:40:57 <DR01D-Engineer> i see
Nov 18 19:41:13 <lasserix> Stephini but then your app is more junk
Nov 18 19:41:27 <Maurits_> I usually test on my old motorola droid running 2.2, on an old HTC device also on 2.2, on my tablet running cm10 and on my phone running stock 4.2
Nov 18 19:41:27 <lasserix> that's like saying why doesn't everyone just use tricycles to ride around?
Nov 18 19:41:57 <Stephini> how do you define junk? a well written monopoly ebank wouldn't require alotta bells and wistles but could be very handy for people.
Nov 18 19:42:11 <DR01D-Engineer> i have a tmobile g1, a moto droid 1, a nexus,a xperia pro, and galaxy tab
Nov 18 19:44:14 <lasserix> Stephini but the whole point is improving the standard of the software, not making bare minimums
Nov 18 19:44:41 <jeppy> test the different screen sizes you support via separate resouces, and certainly test the min supported version
Nov 18 19:44:42 <turb1ne247> Its amazing how well android devices run after rooting and wiping all the stuff clean
Nov 18 19:46:10 <Stephini> -
Nov 18 19:47:08 <lasserix> I see your point, but in the case where you have such a simple utility app, that'd the be the BEST imo to polish up since it is so simple and can serve as a showcase of how far android has come since 1.0
Nov 18 19:48:23 <DR01D-Engineer> 1080p phones will be released next year. im not sure how much more difficult this will make ui design(you will have 4 or 5 inch phone screens from like 420p to 1080p, instead of 720p)
Nov 18 19:48:30 <Maurits_> also, you will have to rewrite much of it if you want to modernize it later on
Nov 18 19:48:36 <Stephini> sorry about that my toddler apparently got on my comp while i was afk...
Nov 18 19:49:34 <Maurits_> going from activities to fragments is generally a pain since you'll have to restructure everything
Nov 18 19:49:47 <Maurits_> since fragments have to delegate stuff to the containing activity, etc etc
Nov 18 19:49:56 <Maurits_> better to just design your app with fragments in mind
Nov 18 19:50:40 <Stephini> is there a good app so i can hand my toddler my phone to stop her screaming when i take her away from the pc?? :P
Nov 18 19:50:46 <lasserix> Droid-Eningeer: at least the madness will have to stop at some point since the human eye has a resolution limit
Nov 18 19:50:58 <Maurits_> yeah, 440dpi seems insane
Nov 18 19:51:17 <Maurits_> not much of a point really
Nov 18 19:51:21 <adq> Stephini, read her a story :-)
Nov 18 19:51:25 <adq> or him*
Nov 18 19:51:32 <Sculptor> Maurits_, except to beat apple
Nov 18 19:51:38 <Sculptor> in their own game
Nov 18 19:51:39 <adq> instead of putting a microwave phone near his/her brain.
Nov 18 19:51:49 <turb1ne247> My kid just love holding the phone
Nov 18 19:51:54 <Stephini> lolz she wants to use tech like me and her other mum do...i wanna encourage that...she gets read mroe than enough stories every day... :P
Nov 18 19:52:13 <Maurits_> Sculptor: meh, I'd prefer they just make good phones
Nov 18 19:52:24 <Maurits_> rather than trying to win some pissing contest with apple
Nov 18 19:52:26 <Stephini> correct me if i'm wrong adq but a serviceless phone with the radio turned off isn't exactly microwave...
Nov 18 19:53:25 <Sculptor> Stephini, talking tom free
Nov 18 19:53:54 <lasserix> Or hypnotoad
Nov 18 19:54:35 <Stephini> on my partner's kindle i found what i thought was a handy app...basically an electronic xylaphone...but then i found out it's add supported and the escape buttons still work...so she can very easily and accidentally get back into the main OS...seems counter productive... :P
Nov 18 19:54:38 <ClientAlive> If an app is successful, does that mean you get tied to it for years to come? What I mean is - what is the happy path like? If it;s a one man operation, do you end up having to deal with pr and updates and so on and so forth so that you have no time to make another, different app? Or is it where you can just write a variaty of one offs all the time and still be very successful?
Nov 18 19:55:31 <DR01D-Engineer> i think updates are only required for each api update or if new screen size devices come out... bug fixs too of course
Nov 18 19:55:36 <DR01D-Engineer> thats what iv been thinking about too though
Nov 18 19:55:42 <lasserix> ClientAlive: I've seen the argument boil down to how you market it: if it's free, you are under no obligation to service or update, but if you are charging, then do you feel as the developer you should back your product?
Nov 18 19:55:47 <Sculptor> ClientAlive, sell it for millions and kick back
Nov 18 19:56:26 <DR01D-Engineer> i think i will just release a lot of my apps as free. and only make them paid and update them if they are popular
Nov 18 19:56:30 <ClientAlive> hmm. How could you make a living by giving it away? (free)
Nov 18 19:57:01 <DR01D-Engineer> if it is popular make the free version a "lite" and make a paid version with more features
Nov 18 19:57:01 <Sculptor> google's playing a dirty game. only devs from 20-30 countries can sell apps
Nov 18 19:57:38 <Sculptor> can developers of free and paid version of the app differ?
Nov 18 19:57:51 <Stephini> i bet it's less google playing dirty and more some countries have restrictive authoring laws...
Nov 18 19:58:01 <ClientAlive> interesting. How can I learn more about the various ways to market/make $ with apps?
Nov 18 19:58:01 <Sculptor> say, dev1 commits a lite version, and dev2 commits a paid version
Nov 18 19:58:11 <DR01D-Engineer> if they make an agreement. maybe
Nov 18 19:58:17 <Sculptor> DR01D-Engineer, of course.
Nov 18 19:58:22 <lasserix> Droid: I think it depends on your target. If you are making apps for tablets, people who have the money to be tablets generally (imo) have more disposable income they would be willing to spend on an app. But a phone? It's not a 600 dollar iphone userbase, so freemium models are better I think...
Nov 18 19:58:27 <DR01D-Engineer> but it would look suspicious if they had different company names
Nov 18 19:58:39 <Sculptor> suspicious to whom
Nov 18 19:58:39 <Stephini> for the multi dev thing i'd just say make a virtual third author that both devs can commit to...
Nov 18 19:58:44 <timroes> ClientAlive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJdx_Wd_EOo
Nov 18 19:58:49 <ClientAlive> I did hear you can sell an app outright to some organization that takes it from there (marketing and selling it)
Nov 18 19:58:56 <ClientAlive> right on
Nov 18 19:59:04 <lasserix> Also people who have tablets I think are willing to spend money on their tablet to trick it out.
Nov 18 19:59:06 <DR01D-Engineer> thats a good point lasserix. i hadnt thought about the tablet market like that but you are right it is a different market
Nov 18 19:59:29 <offby1> lasserix: I'd buy a stand for my tablet, if such a thing existed; but that's about it.
Nov 18 19:59:32 <DR01D-Engineer> suspicious to users and to google
Nov 18 20:00:04 <lasserix> offby1: but just think of all the hipsters wanting some awesome live wallpaper willing to put down 5$ for some steampunk inner clockwork app
Nov 18 20:00:20 <offby1> *shrug*
Nov 18 20:00:35 <Sculptor> that pcb live wallpaper had a lot of sales
Nov 18 20:00:38 <DR01D-Engineer> i bet you could make a lot of money selling wallpapers to ipad hipsters
Nov 18 20:01:23 <Sculptor> i thought ios didn't support live wallpapers
Nov 18 20:01:35 <Sculptor> i hate apple, hence, i might be wrong
Nov 18 20:01:37 <DR01D-Engineer> no idea
Nov 18 20:01:39 <DR01D-Engineer> same
Nov 18 20:01:43 <lasserix> well i was being perjorative, it's not just hipsters. Live wallpapers are kinda like the fashion of smart devices, you want something new that you can show off from time to time
Nov 18 20:01:49 <Sculptor> ios does not support live wallpapers, unless jailbroken
Nov 18 20:01:59 <lasserix> Sculptor: that's exactly the point :P
Nov 18 20:02:09 <DR01D-Engineer> i like to watch people on the trains and see what kind of apps they are using
Nov 18 20:02:14 <monsti> lasserix: a 3d pixel penis
Nov 18 20:02:24 <timroes> DR01D-Engineer: ah you are that creepy guy!
Nov 18 20:02:24 <lasserix> haha
Nov 18 20:02:29 <monsti> e.g. a galaxy S3
Nov 18 20:02:32 <Sculptor> lol
Nov 18 20:02:35 <Stephini> DR01D-Engineer, hwo would it make your day if you saw them using your app? :P
Nov 18 20:02:35 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh. i try not to be too obvious and creepy though :)
Nov 18 20:02:42 <DR01D-Engineer> id be thrilled
Nov 18 20:02:45 <lasserix> monsti: but literally that would probably sell pretty well
Nov 18 20:02:56 <monsti> lasserix: omfg :)
Nov 18 20:03:25 <lasserix> its like jiggly breasts, you know?
Nov 18 20:05:08 <Stephini> who else hates getting outwitted by a 1 year old?
Nov 18 20:05:24 <amenable> hey
Nov 18 20:05:32 <lasserix> Which is my favorite fact of smart devices. Tens of thousands of years of evolution and now you can casually own a device that has more computational power than some animal's brains and the most it's used is for mimicing fart noises and simulating wet tshirt contests.
Nov 18 20:06:02 <Sculptor> Stephini, why did you install that chess app. told you: talking tom free
Nov 18 20:06:28 <canadiancow> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/11/17/0142234/just-days-after-release-googles-nexus-4-has-already-been-rooted
Nov 18 20:06:31 <Stephini> lolz thankfully it wasn't chess she outwitted me with...it was a water bottle my patner baught her...
Nov 18 20:06:32 <canadiancow> why is this news
Nov 18 20:06:52 <Zider> why not?
Nov 18 20:07:25 <Stephini> is days concidered fast?? didn't the kindle fire and xperia play have same day roots?
Nov 18 20:08:17 <canadiancow> the nexus 4 was deisgned for this
Nov 18 20:08:34 <canadiancow> one of its purposes is to be an unlocked developer phone
Nov 18 20:08:54 <canadiancow> that's like a headline of "Man orders computer, turns it on without instruction manual"
Nov 18 20:09:05 <Stephini> lolz
Nov 18 20:09:43 <Stephini> "minuites after receiving pizza delivery, box is openable" :P
Nov 18 20:10:19 <Maurits_> omg fastboot unlock
Nov 18 20:10:20 <Maurits_> just works!
Nov 18 20:10:41 * Stephini bites Maurits_ 
Nov 18 20:11:03 <Sheek> where are id's stored within an android project
Nov 18 20:11:33 <Sheek> or are they even stored seperately in any specific folder
Nov 18 20:12:30 <canadiancow> R.java?
Nov 18 20:12:39 <Sheek> k ill check
Nov 18 20:13:13 <adq> yup, in R.java, in the gen folder; but almost no one should bother about (except those who are fixiing aapt ;))
Nov 18 20:13:59 <Sheek> yea im not trying to mess with it i am referencing an id but eclipse doesnt seem to want to recongnize it even though it surely exists
Nov 18 20:14:12 <adq> this is where you need a clean ;(
Nov 18 20:14:37 <Sheek> clean what
Nov 18 20:14:42 <adq> your entire project
Nov 18 20:14:44 <Hoosteen> Can someone explain to me what a fragment is?
Nov 18 20:15:02 <offby1> eclipse is incredibly buggy.  Try "cleaning" the project; try closing it and then reopening it.
Nov 18 20:15:05 <adq> Hoosteen, http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html
Nov 18 20:15:21 <Sheek> weoh ok sounds good thanks ill try that
Nov 18 20:15:27 <canadiancow> yea, if you're asking what something is, you should just google it
Nov 18 20:17:36 <Sheek> still doesnt wanna work. here is thel ine of code. hockey =(Button) findViewById(R.id.hockey)
Nov 18 20:18:28 <Maurits_> Hoosteen: a modular piece of interface you can reuse in different screens
Nov 18 20:18:32 <Sheek> and i have a button in the xml android:id="@+id/hockey"
Nov 18 20:18:42 <Sheek> not sure whats up
Nov 18 20:18:45 <Maurits_> *interface and behavior for that interface
Nov 18 20:18:52 <bubbleguuum> Do anyone know of any alternative music player app to the Google Music app, accessing the Google music service in the cloud ?
Nov 18 20:18:53 <adq> Sheek, sometimes if the xml layout referencing your id in eclipse is faulty before it, eclipse will not know this id. Worst is sometimes you have no indication where the errors is in xml ;(
Nov 18 20:19:15 <Sheek> ok ill check that all out thanks
Nov 18 20:19:35 <shmooz> Sheek: do you have a main.xml with <Button ... in it  ?
Nov 18 20:20:06 <Sheek> yea i think i got it guys turns out something went wrong in an earlier part of my xml that i didnt notice
Nov 18 20:21:10 <p_l> lasserix: well, we aren't really good on simulatint the latter
Nov 18 20:22:35 <lasserix> p_l ha i guess
Nov 18 20:23:16 <Sheek> k sweet it worked thanks
Nov 18 20:25:53 <Sheek> it kinda pisses me off it warns me not to hardcode things
Nov 18 20:26:09 <Sheek> strings i mean
Nov 18 20:31:24 <SimonVT> Stop doing it then
Nov 18 20:32:44 <joel135> Sheek, you can turn it off somewhere i recall
Nov 18 20:33:05 <joel135> Sheek, but I have not done so myself so I don't know where though
Nov 18 20:37:06 <Sheek> joe1135:ill have to look around that would be very nice
Nov 18 21:10:13 <aunn> I am facing a tricky issue. I have a Screen which provides User detail in the Form filling format with EditText and Spinner. When the Screen is first loaded, the Screen got populated with the User Data. I have registered change listener to EditText and Spinner so that I can show Save button (edit mode). However the problem is that the listener, especially Spinner's setOnItemSelectedListener populate the data a bit late after setti
Nov 18 21:13:38 <Sicp> alright 4.2!
Nov 18 21:14:27 <mrenouf> Sicp, got your OTA?
Nov 18 21:14:44 <Sicp> no just remembered to download the new SDK to see samples
Nov 18 21:14:50 <mrenouf> ahh
Nov 18 21:14:55 <Sicp> totally forgot about that; although on my S3 I am still left behind
Nov 18 21:15:13 <mrenouf> Is S3 on 4.1 yet?
Nov 18 21:15:24 <Sicp> many friends have done that using Kies software
Nov 18 21:15:33 <mrenouf> oh right
Nov 18 21:15:43 <Sicp> I use Linux and I have no access to Kies, so I am waiting until the Software Update option tells me that I can haz JellyBean
Nov 18 21:15:56 <Maurits_> 4.2 isn't such a big deal vs 4.1 imo
Nov 18 21:16:03 <Maurits_> the new lock screen is nice
Nov 18 21:16:10 <Sicp> yea and the fact that there's no December
Nov 18 21:16:13 <Sicp> that's a pretty cool feature
Nov 18 21:16:17 <mrenouf> 4.0-4.1 gets you Google Now
Nov 18 21:16:28 <Maurits_> yeah, 4.1 is a nice step up
Nov 18 21:16:32 <mrenouf> LOL, December is cancelled this year
Nov 18 21:16:41 <mrenouf> I could do without myself
Nov 18 21:16:50 <Maurits_> favorite feature is the new notifications
Nov 18 21:17:08 <kbs> well, there used to be only 10 months anyway. time to get back to the decimal year :-)
Nov 18 21:17:08 <Maurits_> ie, the large notifications, although most apps still don't support them
Nov 18 21:17:43 <mrenouf> Yeah, the compat library doesn't actually backport the ability to do it, so right now unless you target 4.1 and call native code directly, it wont happen
Nov 18 21:18:30 <mrenouf> wait. that doesnt make sense. I forget the specifics
Nov 18 21:19:17 <Maurits_> yeah, generally should be a one hour job to include the feature
Nov 18 21:19:23 <mrenouf> https://github.com/JakeWharton/NotificationCompat2
Nov 18 21:19:25 <mrenouf> done
Nov 18 21:19:33 <Maurits_> not like switching to fragments which requires you to rewrite most of your app
Nov 18 21:20:09 <mrenouf> Oh, apparently Support lib r11 does it
Nov 18 21:20:11 <mrenouf> yay!
Nov 18 21:20:33 <mrenouf> that's another item to add to the list. I sure wish they had released notes for the support lib
Nov 18 21:20:51 <mrenouf> So far: nested fragment support, rich notifications
Nov 18 21:21:17 <Maurits_> cool, nested fragments
Nov 18 21:21:41 <mrenouf> API 17 adds it, support lib r11 supports it
Nov 18 21:21:57 <mrenouf> fragments have a fragment manager basically
Nov 18 21:44:47 <Anoia> is there any reason to use a content uri vs a content type in an activity intenet filter?
Nov 18 21:45:15 <Anoia> I suppose a content type can appear at multuple places int he URI tree
Nov 18 21:58:15 <MyWay> somebody can help me with this? http://pastebin.com/vZM7tFQu I'm getting "Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No view found for id ... for fragment MyFragment..."
Nov 18 22:01:07 <userx> MyWay: your webview is actually called "webView1" and not "webview"
Nov 18 22:02:48 <MyWay> I've changed it to R.id.webView1, but I'm getting the same error
Nov 18 22:05:33 <MyWay> for some reason I can't use setContentView(R.layout.main); and then findFragmentById(R.id.webView1); which is in a different file?
Nov 18 22:09:23 <sleepster> does anyone know what mechanism Intents use for IPC?  Underneath the covers I mean
Nov 18 22:09:31 <sleepster> what do intents use
Nov 18 22:10:02 <sleepster> I am looking at the implementation for Intents right now and I can't seem to find the code that is responsible for passing the intent through to another activity
Nov 18 22:15:32 <alankila> sleepster: looks like it goes via ActivityManager
Nov 18 22:15:58 <alankila> typical binder crap
Nov 18 22:16:25 <sleepster> thanks alankila
Nov 18 22:16:29 <sleepster> ah I think I knew that :)
Nov 18 22:16:37 <sleepster> that Intents are implemented via Binders
Nov 18 22:16:46 <sleepster> are Binders implemented via sockets maybe?
Nov 18 22:17:42 <alankila> I'm not sure. Could be android shared memory thing
Nov 18 22:18:28 <alankila> I confess I do not quite understand how this works
Nov 18 22:21:09 <alankila> largely can't seem to find the native counterpart for the activitymanagernative
Nov 18 22:32:00 <Anoia> hmmm
Nov 18 22:34:01 <Sicp> what a confession
Nov 18 22:34:08 <Anoia> I have a content provider that reports a given content type, and an intent filter that claims to handle editing for that type, but the app is crashing with intent not found
Nov 18 22:34:11 <Sicp> something that alankila doesn't understand!
Nov 18 22:34:16 <Sicp> bring the history books....
Nov 18 22:34:21 <Anoia> and as far as I can tell, it never calls gettype
Nov 18 22:34:35 <alankila> :p
Nov 18 22:34:45 <Anoia> the inttent is passed the URL (as the notes list example does
Nov 18 22:34:53 <Anoia> can anyonr think what i'm missing?
Nov 18 22:35:23 <Anoia> I'd hve thoguht the intent launcher could determine the content type of the given URL if needed
Nov 18 22:42:16 <ricardjorg> hi guys, I'm having a problem with OutOfMemory exceptions because of Bitmaps. I've looked on StackOverflow and I made sure I recycle all bitmaps after use and set all the references to null, but still, when I re-open the activity they were in, I get the exception when I try to do BitmapFactory.decodeResource(...)
Nov 18 22:43:01 <ricardjorg> it happens when I open the activity, after it has been closed
Nov 18 22:45:33 <ricardjorg> why do I never have any problem when re-opening the app? Just when I reopen the activity after it was closed? I must not be clearing the resources correctly
Nov 18 22:58:18 <Anoia> ignore my question, i had a completely invalid content type in my intent filter
Nov 18 22:58:31 <Anoia> missing the main part and half the authority uri
Nov 18 22:59:47 <SpeedEvil> :-)
Nov 18 23:00:49 <freannrak> Hello. I'm having trouble understanding why 1 line of code works under onCreate(), but doesn't under onClick(). Here's the code: http://pastebin.com/pfssLhmB and the error I'm getting http://pastebin.com/3CGUnJKe
Nov 18 23:02:05 <timroes> freannrak: might your onClick method be inside an annonymous class?
Nov 18 23:02:34 <Anoia> the "this" may be a different object
Nov 18 23:02:35 <timroes> like view.setOnClickListener(new OnClickListener() {  public void onClick(View v) { ... } });
Nov 18 23:03:05 <freannrak> yeah, it's the case
Nov 18 23:03:10 <freannrak> how do I work around it?
Nov 18 23:03:17 <timroes> MyActivity.this
Nov 18 23:03:40 <timroes> where MyActivity is the name of the actuall outer class that ou want to pass there
Nov 18 23:03:46 <freannrak> got it
Nov 18 23:03:55 <freannrak> timroes: Thank you :=), works like magic.
Nov 18 23:04:14 <timroes> you're welcome.
Nov 18 23:07:17 <Anoia> what's the best way of getting access to a context in a SQLiteOpenHelper subclass?
Nov 18 23:07:32 <Anoia> I;m currently saving the value passed to the constructor
Nov 18 23:11:07 <timroes> Anoia: in my oppinion thats the best way
Nov 18 23:14:08 <Anoia> ok
Nov 18 23:14:47 <Anoia> it's done after super(...) so I was worried if any of the methods got called before it got to the assignment
Nov 18 23:21:13 <Desmond> Hello, I'm new to android programming. I noticed from the tutorials 2 ways to create a view, one within the Java code of the Activity, and another from the layout xml file. I'm guessing the XML is the preferred and cleaner way to do this. So how do I extract data from an Intent in the XML file?
Nov 18 23:21:57 <Anoia> you don;t
Nov 18 23:22:03 <Anoia> the XML gives you the layout
Nov 18 23:22:15 <Sheek> You have to create the actual view no matter what it is within the xml to view it. The java just makes it do something
Nov 18 23:22:17 <Anoia> the java code fills the text boxes, and functionality
Nov 18 23:23:46 <Desmond> So am I supposed to create most of my views using Java and not xml?
Nov 18 23:24:23 <Sheek> you have to create them in xml then reference them in the java if they will do something
Nov 18 23:24:37 <timroes> you cretae them in the xml file, give them an id, and inside your java code you get them via the findViewById(..) Methode and fill their values
Nov 18 23:24:51 <timroes> (at least if they should be filled with dynamic values)
Nov 18 23:24:53 <Desmond> I'm following this tutorial: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html and they introduced two ways to create views. 1 within the XML file, and one by creating a view inside the onCreate method and setting the contentView
Nov 18 23:25:32 <Desmond> Oh I kinda see now. So the xml is more like a template, and if I want to add functionality I use java to reference to each "view"
Nov 18 23:25:41 <Sheek> yes
Nov 18 23:25:42 <Desmond> yeah that makes much more sense
Nov 18 23:25:54 <Sheek> the xml is the layout
Nov 18 23:26:51 <Anoia> like most (not C) languages
Nov 18 23:27:09 <Anoia> MFC, .NET (almost) VB, delphi, etc all work this way
Nov 18 23:27:23 <Anoia> C is a pita and natively does everything in code
Nov 18 23:27:26 <Anoia> :)
Nov 18 23:28:27 <kbs> more about the libraries than the language; but that's just semantics, perhaps.
Nov 18 23:29:03 <kbs> (declarative layouts have been around for way longer than java etc)
Nov 18 23:29:38 <Anoia> yeah, I was simplifying a bit
Nov 18 23:30:22 <mobile8> Hi, I'm using the AVD Manager and I launch the emulator, I've got a powerfull desktop system I run this on
Nov 18 23:30:27 <mobile8> However, it's all still quite slow
Nov 18 23:30:38 <Desmond> So far all I know is java unfortunately.. haven't learned c++ yet. I know simple C and python
Nov 18 23:30:44 <mobile8> Any suggestions what I can do about this
Nov 18 23:31:41 <Desmond> learning how to program in visual basic is complex because the Microsoft tutorials are hard to follow, so I'm just going to make some android apps to get more experience
Nov 18 23:32:14 <Desmond> and yeah mobile8 my emulator is slow as well. Not sure if it's because of my settings or if it's supposed to be slow
Nov 18 23:32:43 <Sheek> is it bad if i dont use a great heirarchical structure for a test program
Nov 18 23:33:13 <mobile8> I increased the ram to 895 MB (more not possible for some reason) I 've got 6GB free
Nov 18 23:33:46 <Sheek> the emulator is just slow just like any other virtual machine you would run
Nov 18 23:34:12 <Sheek> although i have a somewhat slow computer. but it takes lots of power to run it
Nov 18 23:34:48 <Desmond> Hm my app is crashing when I try to run it. can anyone tell me why? http://pastebin.com/zZYGBA91
Nov 18 23:34:56 <Desmond> I don't think I did it right. I'll try to explain what I did
Nov 18 23:35:26 <Desmond> In my xml file I defined an id for my TextView, and I set the message from the value passed in my Intent
Nov 18 23:35:44 <Desmond> then I set the content view using the layout's ID again, at least I think that's what the final line of code does
Nov 18 23:36:32 <Anoia> well, i've never heard anyone say vb is hard to follow :)
Nov 18 23:36:59 <Desmond> i mean visual C++
Nov 18 23:37:03 <Anoia> Desmond: what does it say in the logcat?
Nov 18 23:37:23 <Desmond> my mistake. kinda tired. talking about microsoft's way of making window apps
Nov 18 23:37:52 <Desmond> uh.. In logcat, there's a green entry
Nov 18 23:37:55 <Anoia> oh, and you also set the control's value before actually creating it
Nov 18 23:38:00 <Desmond> it says "Sending signal. PID: 1670, SIG: 9"
Nov 18 23:38:15 <Desmond> what do you mean by Control?
Nov 18 23:38:15 <Anoia> there shoul be a huge chunk in red with the exception message and call stack
Nov 18 23:38:27 <Anoia> findViewById(R.id.center_message);
Nov 18 23:38:29 <Anoia> THEn..
Nov 18 23:38:33 <Desmond> I don't think logcat is monitoring the program. I'm running it separately after installing it
Nov 18 23:38:35 <Anoia> setContentView(R.layout.activity_display_message);
Nov 18 23:38:48 <Anoia> if adb is attahced, it will still log it
Nov 18 23:39:06 <Anoia> Find this control, set it's text to X, then create the control
Nov 18 23:39:12 <Anoia> creating needs to be done first
Nov 18 23:39:24 <kbs> Desmond: you can't get the textview before setting the contentview
Nov 18 23:39:52 <Desmond> so set content view first, then get the textview and edit it?
Nov 18 23:39:56 <Anoia> yes
Nov 18 23:40:00 <Desmond> okay
Nov 18 23:41:32 <Sheek> why is the name of the app and the icon at the top of the layout yet doesnt show in any xml files
Nov 19 00:01:14 <tdignan> because that's the actionbar. it's on every screen.
Nov 19 00:01:26 <tdignan> Sheek: ^
Nov 19 00:05:16 <Sheek> since when
Nov 19 00:05:39 <Sheek> ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 19 00:06:06 <Anoia> ICS :)
Nov 19 00:06:09 <Anoia> i think
Nov 19 00:06:24 <Sheek> ugh it bothers me
Nov 19 00:06:27 <Sheek> haha
Nov 19 00:07:29 <Sheek> im officially addicted to bike race
Nov 19 00:08:58 <Anoia> target an older android?
Nov 19 00:09:17 <Sheek> i guess ill just deal with it
Nov 19 00:09:46 <JakeWharton> requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE)
Nov 19 00:09:55 <mrenouf> Jake!
Nov 19 00:10:04 <mrenouf> you're around
Nov 19 00:10:18 <Sheek> in the manifest or on each page
Nov 19 00:10:22 <JakeWharton> Sort of. Hanging out in the airport waiting for my flight back to the USA
Nov 19 00:10:36 <JakeWharton> Sheek: use a theme if you want to declare it once in the manifest
Nov 19 00:10:42 <JakeWharton> <item name="android:windowNoTitle">true</item>
Nov 19 00:10:55 <Sheek> ok sweet thank you
Nov 19 00:10:56 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, haha. Travelling eh? I thought you were busy with AOSP 4.2 and ABS
Nov 19 00:10:56 <JakeWharton> or, <item name="android:windowActionBar">false</item>
Nov 19 00:11:12 <mrenouf> I saw that NotificationCompat finally does useful stuff
Nov 19 00:11:15 <Sheek> sweet thanks
Nov 19 00:11:18 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: nah I was at Devoxx in Belgium.
Nov 19 00:11:25 <mrenouf> Oh sweet!
Nov 19 00:11:32 <mrenouf> Some year I will check that out
Nov 19 00:12:12 <JakeWharton> it was a lot of fun. got to hang out with people from the internet
Nov 19 00:12:19 <JakeWharton> every mother's nightmare
Nov 19 00:13:13 <mrenouf> Cool. So are nested fragments going to be a nightmare for ABS to support?
Nov 19 00:13:33 <JakeWharton> theoretically you can just drop in the new .jar and it should work
Nov 19 00:13:51 <mrenouf> oh cause it's all in the base support Fragment class
Nov 19 00:14:22 <JakeWharton> actually, it might require some updating
Nov 19 00:14:24 <JakeWharton> not too sure
Nov 19 00:14:34 <JakeWharton> i can't believe they actually implement that :(
Nov 19 00:14:39 <JakeWharton> *implemented
Nov 19 00:15:16 <JakeWharton> there's only one use case and it should have been special cased
Nov 19 00:15:19 <mrenouf> It's kind of a pain point. Have a nice fragment layout, but then want to put the whole thing in a viewpager? oops, redo it all
Nov 19 00:15:27 <JakeWharton> and that would be it
Nov 19 00:15:52 <JakeWharton> they should have given ViewPager its own child FragmentManger and kept the normal API clean
Nov 19 00:15:54 <mrenouf> yeah ... there's other cases. but it will be abused. Putting every little group of views in a fragment
Nov 19 00:16:20 <mrenouf> but its a ViewPager, not a FragmentPager...
Nov 19 00:16:36 <mrenouf> that would be a wacky special case thing to tack in there
Nov 19 00:16:43 <JakeWharton> er, FragmentPagerAdapter, i meant
Nov 19 00:16:54 <mrenouf> Oh, right yep
Nov 19 00:17:47 <mrenouf> my head is going to explode trying to keep the lifecycle events straight now
Nov 19 00:18:20 <offby1> heh
Nov 19 00:18:22 <mrenouf> been meaning to rig up a test app to spit out a graph
Nov 19 00:18:37 <mrenouf> I did find differences between the order of calls with support lib vs. native
Nov 19 00:18:48 <JakeWharton> right, onStop is flipped if I remember correctly
Nov 19 00:19:02 <mrenouf> yeah something like that
Nov 19 00:19:32 <mrenouf> So I'm using Otto now, and it's one of the best things I've done so far
Nov 19 00:20:00 <JakeWharton> awesome, glad to hear it
Nov 19 00:20:01 <Anoia> wth??
Nov 19 00:20:15 <mrenouf> Anoia, ?
Nov 19 00:20:40 <Anoia> trying to get data from a cursor and the column index returned is 0, but passing that to gettext throws an exception about the value being -1
Nov 19 00:21:14 <mrenouf> Anoia, that's the row position. the cursor is initially positioned BEFORE the first element
Nov 19 00:21:25 <mrenouf> Anoia, make sure you call moveToFirst and it returns true
Nov 19 00:22:12 <canadiancow> wait waht about onstop
Nov 19 00:22:21 <Anoia> noted :)
Nov 19 00:22:33 <Anoia> misleading exception name :)
Nov 19 00:23:40 <Anoia> woo, thanks :)
Nov 19 00:23:41 <mrenouf> canadiancow, fragment call order is slightly different on support-v4 than native
Nov 19 00:23:56 <canadiancow> file a bug
Nov 19 00:24:20 <mrenouf> I'm assuming Jake or someone else would have
Nov 19 00:24:25 <JakeWharton> it's already filed
Nov 19 00:24:31 <mrenouf> see? :-)
Nov 19 00:24:42 <canadiancow> submit a patch?
Nov 19 00:25:15 <JakeWharton> never used onStop in my life
Nov 19 00:25:55 <canadiancow> i did until the behaviour changed in eclair
Nov 19 00:25:55 <canadiancow> :)
Nov 19 00:26:34 <Anoia> is there an existing helper function to set the text of an edittext to a column in a Cursor?
Nov 19 00:26:40 <Anoia> I;m currently using:
Nov 19 00:26:41 <Anoia> http://pastebin.com/1JTPW9fi
Nov 19 00:26:51 <JakeWharton> tv.setText() + cur.getText()
Nov 19 00:27:00 <canadiancow> +1
Nov 19 00:27:10 <Anoia> it's a bit cumbersome for 30 columns
Nov 19 00:27:53 <Anoia> but i need to call 2 other functions to get the column index, and another, with an assignment to get the edittext
Nov 19 00:28:08 * Anoia makes her own
Nov 19 00:35:26 <Sicp> use GreenDAO
Nov 19 00:35:55 <veQue> how do i get the numeric calculator to display when i begin typing in a input field, using phonegap and html?
Nov 19 00:36:05 <veQue> i dont want the alpha keyboard to pop up
Nov 19 00:36:09 <Sicp> not phonegap/html channel, veQue
Nov 19 00:36:21 <Sicp> native only here
Nov 19 00:36:34 <veQue> hmm
Nov 19 00:36:42 <veQue> well phonegap chan is sleep
Nov 19 00:36:45 <Sicp> phonegap means JS/jQuery/jQuery/HTML, all of which have their corresponding channels
Nov 19 00:36:50 <JakeWharton> pretty sure GreenDAO is an ORM and doesn't do anything for databinding
Nov 19 00:36:55 <Sicp> jQuery-mobile
Nov 19 00:36:59 <mrenouf> Is there any way to force tab navigation into the actionbar (like in landscape?)
Nov 19 00:37:08 <veQue> k thnks
Nov 19 00:37:23 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: no
Nov 19 00:37:40 <Sicp> I didn't really understand the pastebin JakeWharton, I just started using GreenDAO a while ago and it saved me a lot of time so now I've become idiotically evangelical about it
Nov 19 00:38:27 <tdignan> whats the best side sliding menu implementation out there?
Nov 19 00:38:59 <JakeWharton> tdignan: https://github.com/SimonVT/android-menudrawer
Nov 19 00:39:35 <tdignan> ah
Nov 19 00:39:46 <JakeWharton> use the dev branch
Nov 19 00:39:49 <tdignan> sounds legit, thanks!
Nov 19 00:39:52 <JakeWharton> API is much better
Nov 19 00:40:04 <JakeWharton> i'll bug SimonVT about making a release soon
Nov 19 00:46:35 <Anoia> mah, damn splite adding phone numbers as numbers
Nov 19 00:47:26 <Anoia> despite being a text column, the app exported the dump as a number :|
Nov 19 00:47:59 <offby1> damn, that sounds vaguely familiar
Nov 19 00:48:15 <offby1> I'd read the sqlite docs to investigate (they're not bad if I recall correctly.)
Nov 19 00:48:20 <veQue> tdignan: did you get the sample for menudrawer working?
Nov 19 00:49:57 <Sicp> you can try this one veQue http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/topic/270319-how-to-create-a-slide-in-menulist-like-in-facebook-app/
Nov 19 00:50:17 <Sicp> not sure it's as good as something from SimonVT or others in here, but maybe it's simpler
Nov 19 00:50:46 <offby1> Anoia: http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q3 might be relevant
Nov 19 00:50:49 <tdignan> veQue: ot
Nov 19 00:51:04 <tdignan> veQue: nah i zoned out
Nov 19 00:51:11 <tdignan> i haven't even got it in my project yet :)
Nov 19 00:51:25 <tdignan> but don't worry, I'll get it working.
Nov 19 00:51:41 <veQue> i get a Could not find SamplesActivity.apk! error
Nov 19 00:51:46 <tdignan> I got roboletric working with ant and library projects ffs :)
Nov 19 00:52:11 <tdignan> man, it sounds like that's an error with the samples.
Nov 19 00:52:14 <Sicp> robolectric the testing framework?
Nov 19 00:52:27 <Anoia> offby1: yeah, thanks
Nov 19 00:52:30 <tdignan> yep. it's straightforward with maven
Nov 19 00:52:35 <tdignan> but not with ant and library projects combined.
Nov 19 00:52:49 <Anoia> i did know it was typeless
Nov 19 00:52:50 <Sicp> been meaning to get into that for something I've been working on, followed them on Twitter and everything! :P
Nov 19 00:53:13 <Anoia> but the export i did saw it was numeric and converted to number
Nov 19 00:53:13 <tdignan> veQue: i suggest building the project with ant that way your eclipse related 'wheres the apk' mystery stuff will disappear when you see the bare metal underneath
Nov 19 00:53:26 <Anoia> using '' in my dump fixes it
Nov 19 00:53:29 <shwaiil> hi
Nov 19 00:53:30 <shwaiil> Q: I'd like to start developing Android Apps. I'm experienced in Frontend and Server-side development. I checked some tutorials now, just to understand the basics. Java looks similar to what I know, I wonder if I need to study Java first before starting to develop ?
Nov 19 00:53:40 <Anoia> this wont come into play once final thougj
Nov 19 00:54:00 <Anoia> it helps, but isn't always necassary
Nov 19 00:54:26 <offby1> Anoia: just out of idle curiosity: is there some way to "canonicalize" a phone number?  Like if someone enters "5551212" can you get Android to convert that to "+1-707-555-1212" (assuming that it knows the current area code is 707)?
Nov 19 00:54:35 <Anoia> I hated java after using it for applets ~15 years ago (and still do) but am muddling through
Nov 19 00:54:49 <Anoia> i've no idea
Nov 19 00:54:52 <offby1> ah well
Nov 19 00:55:13 <Anoia> i saw my gf's iphone do it, but not seen anything in android do it
Nov 19 00:55:29 <Anoia> especially as it's country dependant too
Nov 19 00:55:33 <offby1> yep
Nov 19 00:55:58 <Anoia> we use +44 (0)123 9876543
Nov 19 00:56:17 <canadiancow> offby1,  i think you can
Nov 19 00:56:23 <canadiancow> check out the source to the phone app
Nov 19 00:56:25 <Anoia> sorry, without the (0)
Nov 19 00:56:26 <canadiancow> or the contacts app
Nov 19 00:56:44 <Anoia> I have anHTC phone so may be different
Nov 19 00:56:51 <offby1> canadiancow: heh, OK.  I asked because I've been surprised that gmail doesn't seem to do this when I enter a phone number into "Contacts" on the web.  I figure if _they_ don't do it, it ain't doable.
Nov 19 00:57:19 <canadiancow> im sure the gmail web team is more interested in the mail aspect ;)
Nov 19 00:57:24 <Anoia> it's possible, assuming it has the country code
Nov 19 00:57:33 <Anoia> or some context of what the local code is
Nov 19 00:58:22 <tdignan> shwaiil: If one wanted to, he could perform brain surgery without going to medical school, provided he didn't get caught by the police.
Nov 19 00:58:43 <tdignan> shwaiil: the choice of wheher to sharpen the axe before you cut down the tree is yours. choose wisely.
Nov 19 00:58:59 <shwaiil> tdignan: tks for looking.
Nov 19 01:02:12 <veQue> tdignan: ok http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidBuildAnt/article.html i already have a path to ant setup i never really had to use it following this tutorial... would i run the ant clean in the samples folder ? or samples/libs or samples/src ?
Nov 19 01:02:57 <veQue> https://github.com/SimonVT/android-menudrawer/tree/dev this is the directory tree
Nov 19 01:04:18 <tdignan> veQue: first you've got to make sure all you lib projects are ready to build with ant
Nov 19 01:04:36 <tdignan> go into each of them and run: android update lib-project -p . -t <#>
Nov 19 01:04:42 <tdignan> you find the -t param with android list targets
Nov 19 01:04:55 <tdignan> then go to your main project, and run android update project -p . -t <#>
Nov 19 01:04:59 <tdignan> then ant clean debug
Nov 19 01:05:01 <tdignan> that should do it
Nov 19 01:05:09 <veQue> ok thanks
Nov 19 01:10:37 <mrenouf> Is there a Span Style equivalent for "<nobr>" ?
Nov 19 01:10:55 <g00s> it would be nice if there was some good empirical data on the side navigation for usability
Nov 19 01:11:28 <mrenouf> g00s, I've tried apps that have switched to it and they are horrible. That's enough for me :-)
Nov 19 01:12:00 <g00s> mrenouf yeah … as devs / designers, we have to remember we aren;t the target audience. i might thin its cool, but it really depends on the users
Nov 19 01:12:30 <mrenouf> If you tend to use your phone one handed it can cause friction
Nov 19 01:12:55 <mrenouf> its awkward to tap the left edge with my thumb (and I have largish hands)
Nov 19 01:13:12 <mrenouf> But if you're a two-handed type, then you probably dont care
Nov 19 01:14:31 <mrenouf> the main issue is that there is no standard, this one case made the home button the only trigger for accessing the "main menu" of items.
Nov 19 01:14:47 <mrenouf> so reaching to the upper/left corner actually
Nov 19 01:16:53 <tdignan> mrenouf: oh man.. that would be useful
Nov 19 01:17:11 <tdignan> I was wondering about this the other day but I decided screw it. I'll let the text wrap
Nov 19 01:17:33 <mrenouf> there's ellipsize, and marquee of course
Nov 19 01:17:43 <mrenouf> there's also setLines(1)
Nov 19 01:17:52 <mrenouf> but thats not quite what I need
Nov 19 01:18:20 <mrenouf> I also have a custom TextView class that applies horizontal scaling enough to fit the text
Nov 19 01:18:37 <mrenouf> as well as applying ellipsis only for a certain section of text
Nov 19 01:21:22 <offby1> mrenouf: that custom TextView sounds interesting -- is it open source?
Nov 19 01:25:09 <shwaiil> tdignan: so before jumping to android dev, I should learn the java syntax and the android api. Anything else ? tks
Nov 19 01:25:24 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: you can have a spannable that doesn't break
Nov 19 01:25:27 <JakeWharton> we have something like that
Nov 19 01:25:41 <mrenouf> No, I'd have to seek approval. it's fairly simple though
Nov 19 01:25:42 <tdignan> shwaiil: you should learn to gsd
Nov 19 01:25:49 <mrenouf> I will when I have time
Nov 19 01:25:56 <tdignan> shwaiil: the fact that you are still beating around the bush is evidence that you lack the skill of gsd
Nov 19 01:26:12 <shwaiil> tdignan: what's gsd ?
Nov 19 01:26:16 <tdignan> get shit done
Nov 19 01:26:18 <tdignan> go do it
Nov 19 01:26:52 <JakeWharton> mrenouf: nevermind, we have a custom TextView that does it
Nov 19 01:26:54 <shwaiil> yeah tks
Nov 19 01:26:58 <tdignan> np
Nov 19 01:27:13 <mrenouf> Ok, and what's the "right" way to do ActionBar tab mode to switch fragments? I wrote up my own handlers but I feel like there should be something already to do that.
Nov 19 01:27:40 <JakeWharton> the callbacks give you a transaction
Nov 19 01:27:52 <JakeWharton> you just call .replace on it and it should take care of everything
Nov 19 01:28:05 <mrenouf> oops, in this case, ListNavigationMode
Nov 19 01:28:27 <mrenouf> I've got my own onNavigationItemSelected listener, and an adapter
Nov 19 01:28:52 <shwaiil> tdignan: from previous research it seems I could dev  android using C ?
Nov 19 01:28:53 <mrenouf> I'm also trying to use attach/detach to speed up switching
Nov 19 01:29:01 <mrenouf> (there's only  three options)
Nov 19 01:29:26 <mrenouf> it works, but now I need to save state. just seems like this should exist already somewhere
Nov 19 01:31:09 <veQue> tdignan: well i ran the ant.. still i think the guy just has some errors in the code
Nov 19 01:32:12 <veQue> in res/values/styles.xml
Nov 19 01:32:19 <veQue> and themes.xml
Nov 19 01:32:24 <tdignan> veQue: paste errors from ant
Nov 19 01:32:46 <JakeWharton> the list nav will automatically save it's state and so will your fragments
Nov 19 01:32:54 <JakeWharton> you just have to be careful not to clobber them when you rotate
Nov 19 01:33:10 <veQue> tdignan: how does that even happen?
Nov 19 01:33:12 <JakeWharton> actually I'm not sure about the list nav...
Nov 19 01:33:28 <JakeWharton> veQue: you use the wrong API, that's how
Nov 19 01:33:46 <mrenouf> Well I'm certainly clobbering
Nov 19 01:33:56 <mrenouf> cause I save state across app restarts too (in a file)
Nov 19 01:34:06 <mrenouf> so onCreate checks that too
Nov 19 01:34:21 <mrenouf> I'll save a flag and find out what happens
Nov 19 01:34:56 <mrenouf> BTW: used list nav mode to save on height, hence why I asked about shoving tabs into the action bar
Nov 19 01:35:10 <mrenouf> went back and forth on that one quite a bit
Nov 19 01:35:36 <veQue> well i think i'll just delete this. if anyone gets the samplesactivity working for menu drawers please let it be known how
Nov 19 01:38:09 <JakeWharton> it works out of the box
Nov 19 01:38:34 <JakeWharton> you failed to paste the errors or say even what was wrong
Nov 19 01:40:42 <veQue> oh, sorry i need sliding interface but it's something that can be implemented later
Nov 19 01:40:55 <veQue> so i kinda scrapped it for time
Nov 19 01:41:22 <veQue> but the samples were missing an apk
Nov 19 01:41:30 <JakeWharton> you have to compile it yourself
Nov 19 01:43:05 <dragorn> JakeWharton / veQue : The menudrawer stuff?  works great
Nov 19 01:43:05 <veQue> k let me give another try
Nov 19 01:43:07 <mrenouf> JakeWharton, listnavmode does not appear to retain the selectedNavigationIndex
Nov 19 01:43:45 <dragorn> JakeWharton: My uninvited $0.02, would be nice if more of the resources like the drawable xml themes and 9patches used in the sample could live in the lib so i didn't have to dupe them across apps?  But maybe I miss the point, or am using it wrong.
Nov 19 01:44:09 <JakeWharton> dragorn: oh I didn't use any of them when I implemented it
Nov 19 01:44:19 <JakeWharton> what's in the sample that's not in the library
Nov 19 01:45:17 <dragorn> JakeWharton: Stuff like md__list_selector drawables, some other similar things used in the sidebar text themes
Nov 19 01:45:35 <dragorn> JakeWharton: now granted I've only started dicking aorund w/ it so it's possible I missed some obvious more proper use
Nov 19 01:45:49 <JakeWharton> well the library is just the container, it's up to you as to what you put in
Nov 19 01:46:25 <dragorn> JakeWharton: fair enough
Nov 19 02:02:24 <veQue> The container 'Android Dependencies' references non existing library '..EclipseWorkspace\library\bin\library.jar'
Nov 19 02:03:28 <veQue> but no prob. i'll work on that in a few days
Nov 19 02:06:22 <dragorn> so... potentially stupid question... can I get a callback when there is a click event anywhere in my activity, without interfering with normal onclick handlers?
Nov 19 02:07:13 <dragorn> (for a potentially stupid reason - i want to implement a screensaver, b/c I need to keep the screen on for a wakelock so cell tower updates continue, and I'm mildly concerned about LCD burnin since the most common time this will happen is when the phone is on a dashboard)
Nov 19 02:07:42 <dragorn> putting up a black screen w/ a randomly moving icon is simple; stumped on detecting idleness in the activity
Nov 19 02:09:34 <mrenouf> dragorn, touclistener on layout root should do it
Nov 19 02:09:45 <dragorn> mrenouf: ah interesting idea.  I shall try this.
Nov 19 02:10:44 <mrenouf> dragorn, but... why not just hold a partial wakelock?
Nov 19 02:11:05 <dragorn> mrenouf: the screen dims
Nov 19 02:11:17 <dragorn> mrenouf: the problem is a lot of devices stop reporting cell updates, period, if the screen isn't on
Nov 19 02:11:24 <dragorn> mrenouf: independent of wakelock
Nov 19 02:11:25 <mrenouf> nope
Nov 19 02:11:35 <mrenouf> that can't be right
Nov 19 02:11:44 <dragorn> mrenouf: nope nothing, I've done a lot of testing & seen it mentioned elsewhere. It's super annoying.
Nov 19 02:11:50 <mrenouf> wow
Nov 19 02:11:57 <dragorn> mrenouf: it doesn't stop tracking, it just stops calling cell listeners
Nov 19 02:12:15 <dragorn> mrenouf: doesn't matter if it's plugged in, either
Nov 19 02:12:27 <mrenouf> actually that's probably smart for power. and it's not like the api provides that guarantee
Nov 19 02:12:38 <dragorn> mrenouf: also fun, moto devices stop reporting accelerometer data if the screen is off
Nov 19 02:13:11 <mrenouf> dragorn, have you tried wakelock + location update listener?
Nov 19 02:13:19 <mrenouf> LocationManager
Nov 19 02:13:27 <dragorn> mrenouf: yes, gps updates
Nov 19 02:13:38 <mrenouf> with a non-gps source
Nov 19 02:13:47 <dragorn> No
Nov 19 02:13:59 <mrenouf> with no wifi, it should use cell towers for position, at least I thought so
Nov 19 02:14:07 <dragorn> might do
Nov 19 02:14:14 <mrenouf> hence the radio would need to stay on? longshot but
Nov 19 02:15:06 <mrenouf> I suspect the screen off time in the system preferences is not long enough for you? (max 10min)
Nov 19 02:15:33 <mrenouf> I wonder if you could hack in a longer time (probably could on rooted device)
Nov 19 02:15:43 <dragorn> not interested in rooted devices ;P
Nov 19 02:16:04 <dragorn> I'd rather just say "plug in, enable wakelock, here's something to keep your LCD from burning"
Nov 19 02:16:04 <mrenouf> right, right. that's just the hacker in me coming out.
Nov 19 02:16:17 <dragorn> and no, 10m isn't long enough
Nov 19 02:16:46 <mrenouf> so your trying to survey cell towers?
Nov 19 02:17:25 <dragorn> among other things
Nov 19 02:17:40 <mrenouf> :-)
Nov 19 02:36:55 <aulter> is it possible to get the source for the OS X android file transfer app?
Nov 19 02:37:23 <aulter> (I don't see it already listed anywhere, so I assume no, but just wondering)
Nov 19 02:59:46 <EVX> can you set time and date for your notification?
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