**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 23 02:59:59 2012
Nov 23 03:20:08 <regedit> 5 internets for whoever doesn't give a **** about thxgiving
Nov 23 03:24:01 <g00s> fuck black friday, cyber monday too ;)
Nov 23 03:24:24 <g00s> although, it is good to be thankful for what you have :)
Nov 23 03:32:21 <alice|wl> hello, I have a problem in webview. The javascript scrollTo( 0,0 ) function scrolls to the wrong place. Any ideas or hints what might cause this?
Nov 23 03:32:46 <alice|wl> I have some fixed elements on the page
Nov 23 03:36:58 <ancanta> That field id should reference a TextView in the larger layout resource.  From --> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ArrayAdapter.html
Nov 23 03:37:31 <ancanta> whats the "larger layout resource" ? The main.xml or the main.xml of the class ?
Nov 23 03:38:13 <ancanta> oh sorry I get it now :)
Nov 23 03:44:20 <xorgate> can i use jenkins to build my app, deploy it to several devices, and run the same tests on all these devices?
Nov 23 03:46:57 <regedit> g00s: i do that every day
Nov 23 04:13:48 <`-`> does anyone happen to know how to use cryptsetup from an adb root shell to decrypt jelly bean user data while in recovery mode?
Nov 23 04:20:59 <g00s> sweet, adobe is having a 40% off sale on some things
Nov 23 04:21:12 <g00s> ends nov 28
Nov 23 05:02:57 <JakeWharton> sweet, I can finally buy that copy of Photoshop I've always pirated...
Nov 23 05:22:51 <xorgate> as long as you buy it IN THE CLOUD
Nov 23 05:23:30 <Sculptor> piratebay discount?
Nov 23 06:03:01 <brickhead> Hey Guys,
Nov 23 06:03:18 <brickhead> Why does the memory size shown by TaskManager and MAT heap analyzer differ
Nov 23 06:03:48 <brickhead> as per MAT I'm a really good boy and using just 4MB of memory, but task manager tells me I'm using something in excess of 50MB
Nov 23 06:04:07 <brickhead> how do I account for the remaining 46 MB?
Nov 23 06:04:08 <pragma-> photoshop is too mainstream
Nov 23 06:05:40 <g00s> pragma-: the hipster troll
Nov 23 06:13:03 <brickhead> anyone?
Nov 23 06:15:04 <muhoo> could be wrose, could be a javascript hipster: http://hipstergrammers.tumblr.com/
Nov 23 06:18:48 <muhoo> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwvn8xE2ye1r95ui7o1_500.jpg actually
Nov 23 06:27:59 <klaudeclaw> hi guys
Nov 23 06:34:54 <brickhead> Hey klaudeclaw
Nov 23 06:36:50 <klaudeclaw> do I need to know something particular to implement tab navigation in my app?
Nov 23 06:37:08 <drpenguin> klaudeclaw: besides implementing it?
Nov 23 06:37:10 <klaudeclaw> I'm loading example from android sdk and it does not build, it has errors
Nov 23 06:37:44 <klaudeclaw> I'm not fluent yet, so maybe I'm missing something
Nov 23 06:37:45 <drpenguin> klaudeclaw: pastebin errors
Nov 23 06:37:57 <klaudeclaw> just starting the eclipse
Nov 23 06:38:26 <drpenguin> ?
Nov 23 06:39:54 <klaudeclaw> I'm creating project using -> new android project and in the wizard I select navigation type -> tabs + swipe
Nov 23 06:39:57 <klaudeclaw> and the errors:
Nov 23 06:43:29 <klaudeclaw> http://pastebin.com/nxnbEZXR
Nov 23 06:43:55 <klaudeclaw> I've tried to add super.[method name]
Nov 23 06:44:28 <drpenguin> so, you arent gonna post any errors?
Nov 23 06:44:36 <klaudeclaw> 07:43 < klaudeclaw> http://pastebin.com/nxnbEZXR
Nov 23 06:44:49 <drpenguin> theres no errors in there..
Nov 23 06:44:53 <klaudeclaw> the error is written on the bottom
Nov 23 06:45:10 <klaudeclaw> I'll try to copy paste it from the eclipse
Nov 23 06:45:15 <drpenguin> Thats not an error, thats just incomprehensible garbage that you wrote
Nov 23 06:45:21 <klaudeclaw> ok
Nov 23 06:46:29 <klaudeclaw> http://pastebin.com/T5tcBgr1
Nov 23 06:47:12 <drpenguin> ok.. so that to me sounds like it doesnt like the @Override annotations, probably because the class they are being defined in isnt extending a class that implements them
Nov 23 06:48:07 <klaudeclaw> that is what I do understand
Nov 23 06:48:53 <drpenguin> pastebin your entire class file
Nov 23 06:49:54 <klaudeclaw> http://pastebin.com/1tvrhRAk it's generated/opened by eclipse itself
Nov 23 06:50:37 <klaudeclaw> so I wished that it will work out of the box, my target api level is API16, and minium API14
Nov 23 06:51:24 <therealGent> hey guys, ive been googling to no avail. How can I build a quick apk from src? I have a src directory, along with res and the manifest. The usual.
Nov 23 06:51:25 <drpenguin> uhh.. eclipse didnt generate that
Nov 23 06:51:37 <therealGent> I know.
Nov 23 06:51:50 <therealGent> Which is why I'm asking for build instructions.
Nov 23 06:54:03 <klaudeclaw> therealGent: do you have eclipse, android sdk and adt plugin installed?
Nov 23 06:55:39 <therealGent> I would prefer not to use those. But I believe I found what I need. apkbuilder tool.
Nov 23 06:55:49 <drpenguin> klaudeclaw: I just created a dummy class that implements ActionBar.TabListener and it isnt complaining at me
Nov 23 06:57:14 <klaudeclaw> drpenguin: ok, I'll try to write it from scratch, thanks
Nov 23 06:57:43 <f2prateek> klaudeclaw: change the compiler level to 1.6
Nov 23 07:00:08 <f2prateek> klaudeclaw: override annotation wasn't avaialble before java 1.6
Nov 23 07:00:45 <klaudeclaw> yeah, but that does not seems to be a solution
Nov 23 07:01:08 <klaudeclaw> the project builds when I delete override annotations, hoewever tabs are not responding
Nov 23 07:01:19 <klaudeclaw> http://developer.android.com/intl/zh-TW/reference/android/app/ActionBar.TabListener.html I'll give it a read first
Nov 23 07:02:38 <therealGent> apkbuilder doesnt seem to do it.
Nov 23 07:02:47 <therealGent> what is the command line util that builds these things?
Nov 23 07:03:36 <klaudeclaw> you should have it in android sdk
Nov 23 07:04:06 <f2prateek> therealGent: ant, but it needs the android sdk
Nov 23 07:04:20 <therealGent> f2prateek, I have the android sdk
Nov 23 07:04:52 <f2prateek> klaudeclaw: project builds but without the override the system doesnt know you have implement those methods
Nov 23 07:05:05 <f2prateek> klaudeclaw: probably why the tabs didnt respong
Nov 23 07:05:09 <klaudeclaw> f2prateek: yes, I know
Nov 23 07:05:32 <f2prateek> therealGent: then use ant
Nov 23 07:08:51 <therealGent> It needs a build.xml f2prateek and when I try using android upate it says project either has no target set or target is invalid
Nov 23 07:10:04 <f2prateek> therealGent: seems like you're missing that specifc version of the sdk - run the sdk manager and download the target one. Or easier still, use eclipse
Nov 23 07:11:07 <klaudeclaw> ok, I've added Toast call in the onTabSelected() callback and it have displayed properly, so the actions seems to work just after removing the @override annotations
Nov 23 07:11:25 <therealGent> sdk versions go by a simple number. I'm so confused. What android version is SDK version 10?
Nov 23 07:11:37 <therealGent> it says uses sdk minSdkVersion 10
Nov 23 07:12:01 <therealGent> nvm answered my own question
Nov 23 07:12:02 <klaudeclaw> so the SectionsPageAdapter usage is wrong in my example
Nov 23 07:12:21 <f2prateek> klaudeclaw: thats surprising - the sample code generally runs out of the box
Nov 23 07:12:33 <f2prateek> therealGent: did you read the docs?
Nov 23 07:13:40 <f2prateek> therealGent: 10 = gingerbread
Nov 23 07:14:56 <therealGent> f2prateek, I got it to work by manually specifying it in the command line. I know have an ant error to fix. I need to find the "target name" in the source
Nov 23 07:15:36 <therealGent> target "this" does not exist in the project...
Nov 23 07:16:34 <klaudeclaw> therealGent: show the command you are executing
Nov 23 07:16:41 <therealGent> ant test
Nov 23 07:20:02 <therealGent> ant release did the trick...
Nov 23 07:21:12 <DanMidou> Hello
Nov 23 07:22:13 <DanMidou> I need some help with full screen video playback on html5 video player eg:- galaxy S3
Nov 23 07:23:34 <DanMidou> it does not switch to full screen so i modified a mCustomView in onShowCustom view. This does the trick. But the media player does not stop when back is pressed and playing the video a second time crashes it.
Nov 23 07:25:24 <DanMidou> can someone please tell me how i can attach a onCompletionListener to the HTML5 VideoView?
Nov 23 07:32:21 <therealGent> do all apks you install need to be signed? I'm trying to adb install this apk and its giving me a no certificates error
Nov 23 07:34:04 <DanMidou> ant debug will give you a apk with a debug certificate
Nov 23 07:35:07 <DanMidou> therealGent, "ant debug" and "adb install -r bin/Name-debug.apk"
Nov 23 07:35:08 <therealGent> hah. and i did release...
Nov 23 07:35:28 <DanMidou> i think release needs to be signed manually, check the online docs
Nov 23 07:36:15 <KaiKai> did anyone release an APK today?
Nov 23 07:36:23 <KaiKai> was scared to release since it was thanksgiving
Nov 23 07:38:41 <muhoo> what's scary about releasing on thanksgiving?
Nov 23 07:39:00 <muhoo> a flock of turkeys downloading?
Nov 23 07:40:59 <alex_PP> what apps would turkey's be downloading?
Nov 23 07:41:14 <alex_PP> the wifi pretty rubbish in my oven
Nov 23 07:41:22 <alex_PP> *wifi's
Nov 23 07:41:30 <alex_PP> *turkeys
Nov 23 07:42:54 <DanMidou> can someone help me with html5 video playback?
Nov 23 07:44:27 <g00s> alex_PP: angry turkey, of course ;)
Nov 23 07:44:47 <g00s> *angry turkeys
Nov 23 07:44:48 <KaiKai> well.... the thing is
Nov 23 07:44:55 <KaiKai> there were reports on the best day for release
Nov 23 07:45:03 <KaiKai> and wednesday is the most popular and thursday was the least popular
Nov 23 07:45:20 <KaiKai> i figured since it was the holidays there might be a suplus of releases on thursday
Nov 23 07:45:49 <g00s> well yeah, if you apps will be popular and you want a soft launch, maybe this isn't the best time … but i would wager most apps wont be popular anyhow so …. :D
Nov 23 07:50:31 <alex_PP> i've < 75 installs on both of my personal apps :'(
Nov 23 07:50:40 <alex_PP> no idea about the comercial stuff
Nov 23 07:50:47 <g00s> me too :(
Nov 23 07:51:00 <EPG> alex_PP, g00s when did you launch?
Nov 23 07:51:16 <g00s> feb 2012
Nov 23 07:51:35 <alex_PP> i forget
Nov 23 07:51:45 <alex_PP> me and time don't get on
Nov 23 07:51:59 <EPG> if you want i can have a look at your apps, maybe i can give some suggestions
Nov 23 07:52:24 <alex_PP> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Alex+Richards
Nov 23 07:53:36 <alex_PP> they're not very exciting is i suspect the biggest hunderance
Nov 23 07:55:14 <EPG> i launched my first (and yet only) app september 22, ~1700 installs now, but <800 active
Nov 23 07:55:33 <alex_PP> what is it?
Nov 23 07:57:12 <EPG> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cygery.lichtwecker
Nov 23 07:57:38 <EPG> wide varying ratings :D
Nov 23 07:59:22 <alex_PP> interesting
Nov 23 07:59:35 <EPG> btw do you own alex.com?
Nov 23 07:59:55 <btipling> developing web applications for the android browser is basically the worst thing ever
Nov 23 08:00:34 <btipling> the emulator is slow, it doesn't have a web inspector like ios has via safari, I can't get thing to respect my hosts /etc/hosts file
Nov 23 08:00:36 <KaiKai> EPG: you know what would be cool? if you converted that app to a lightshow app :)
Nov 23 08:01:46 <EPG> KaiKai, yeah i already thought about implementing freely configurable sequences with brightness/color changing over time :D
Nov 23 08:02:36 <EPG> but that'd be in far future
Nov 23 08:06:31 <alex_PP> EPG, no
Nov 23 08:07:09 <EPG> ok, in your app's id you should only use domains you own as a prefix
Nov 23 08:07:27 <alex_PP> but i doubt a french producer of glass is going to be releasing android apps anytime soon
Nov 23 08:07:35 <socket> Hello, I've added an onStart() function to my activity, which is causing my app to crash. i see in debug it gets to the onStart() and when function ends it crashes. eclipse throws me into the source not found windows....
Nov 23 08:07:36 <alex_PP> i know, i know
Nov 23 08:07:50 <socket> am i missing something about onStart() ?
Nov 23 08:08:12 <EPG> socket, paste some code
Nov 23 08:08:25 <socket> wait, im not calling the super... is there a super?
Nov 23 08:09:09 <socket> err, never mind
Nov 23 08:09:28 <socket> super.onStart() was missing
Nov 23 08:09:33 <socket> thanks anyway
Nov 23 08:11:29 <alex_PP> if you read the stack trace, it should have told your exactly that
Nov 23 08:12:44 <alex_PP> *you
Nov 23 08:15:34 <EPG> socket, did you read https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html ?
Nov 23 08:16:34 <socket> EPG: some of it, i had the super.onStart() missing. i got disconnected not sure it got sent.
Nov 23 08:17:10 <EPG> it did
Nov 23 08:17:43 <EPG> alex_PP, concerning your apps, there're many competitors
Nov 23 08:19:48 <alex_PP> yeah, they're only hobby apps though.
Nov 23 08:20:09 <alex_PP> although, i couldn't find much like talkative, that's why i write it
Nov 23 08:20:15 <alex_PP> *wrote
Nov 23 08:22:19 <alex_PP> but there's a million and one stopwatches, though mine's almost the smallest i've found
Nov 23 08:22:32 <alex_PP> could be smaller if i dumped the custom font
Nov 23 08:22:52 <EPG> it's always good to practice, I didn't expect so many downloads for my app either
Nov 23 08:22:57 <alex_PP> but i lost the key for it in a HDD failure, so no more updates for that
Nov 23 08:23:34 <alex_PP> you're still on package names?
Nov 23 08:23:42 <klaudeclaw> hi again
Nov 23 08:25:06 <klaudeclaw> is it possible to do flexible layout design, that the activity and content will fill the width or height of the screen?
Nov 23 08:25:18 <EPG> alex_PP, nono, i dont even know what could happen if the owner of a domain would complain
Nov 23 08:25:51 <klaudeclaw> when I create layout in eclipse I could only choose from predefined ones or specify my own custom resolution so the layout isn't compatible through different resolution
Nov 23 08:25:55 <alex_PP> i think i read that it's tough luck for them
Nov 23 08:27:00 <alex_PP> klaudeclaw, all layouts in android are flexible
Nov 23 08:27:22 <alex_PP> the layout editor lets you preview at certain resolutions
Nov 23 08:27:50 <EPG> gtg, cu
Nov 23 08:28:37 <klaudeclaw> alex_PP: ok, I though that you specify the resolution, however I've installed sample app on my 10" tablet and it was thin, maybe I've misconfigured the layout and set wrong fills/wraps
Nov 23 08:32:05 <alex_PP> depending on the version support you specify, you may have triggered one of the support modes
Nov 23 08:32:36 <klaudeclaw> you mean google.support.v4.something.something ?
Nov 23 08:34:38 <johny-b-goode> ok, is it better to send an intent an object or let it do the db dip itself?
Nov 23 08:34:52 <johny-b-goode> s/intent/activity/
Nov 23 08:34:57 <alex_PP> bo, sometimes tablets run applications differently if they think that they need to
Nov 23 08:35:40 <johny-b-goode> thinking that it would be better to send it the dbid, and let it do the dip, instead of implementing parcelable for the object representing the db item.
Nov 23 08:36:05 <alex_PP> klaudeclaw, https://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screen-compat-mode.html
Nov 23 08:36:24 <klaudeclaw> alex_PP: thanks
Nov 23 08:37:08 <klaudeclaw> I'll try this at home
Nov 23 08:37:39 <mengine> good morning. someone in here faced the problem to be unable to connect via usb to the phone? on windows it says unable to detect device, on linux  device descriptor read/64, error -32
Nov 23 08:38:20 <klaudeclaw> mengine: what device do you use?
Nov 23 08:38:39 <mengine> klaudeclaw, GT-I9100
Nov 23 08:38:58 <klaudeclaw> do you have samsung usb drivers?
Nov 23 08:39:15 <mengine> klaudeclaw, yes.
Nov 23 08:39:23 <klaudeclaw> then dunno
Nov 23 08:39:31 <mengine> klaudeclaw, maybe i should mention that i flashed jb 4.1.2 yesterday
Nov 23 08:39:38 <btipling> would anyone happen to know why logcat doesn't show console statements from the browser
Nov 23 08:39:53 <btipling> it's obviously logging stuff when I do things via the browser
Nov 23 08:39:57 <btipling> console logs don't show up though
Nov 23 08:40:05 <socket> worst internet connection ever....
Nov 23 08:41:00 <johny-b-goode> you hate internets?
Nov 23 08:41:15 <socket> http://pastebin.com/UPhr6kTX check_updates() does not get called, or it doesnt stop on its break point.... any idea why?
Nov 23 08:41:45 <dblosevn> socket: are you running in debug mode?
Nov 23 08:42:34 <socket> yes dblosevn
Nov 23 08:45:08 <dblosevn> socket: weird your code looks good
Nov 23 08:45:37 <johny-b-goode> lol.
Nov 23 08:45:52 <dblosevn> socket: the only thing I wonder about is if check_update is in the context of run
Nov 23 08:46:35 <socket> check_update is a public function of the activity
Nov 23 08:46:54 <dblosevn> im wondering if the runable has its own context though
Nov 23 08:47:19 <dblosevn> being it runs in another thread its doubtful that its in the context of the activity
Nov 23 08:48:29 <socket> do you have a solution for that?
Nov 23 08:48:38 <klaudeclaw> anyone has tried to implement menu like in youtube app on android? I mean "spherical" or "cylinder" style grid?
Nov 23 08:48:55 <dblosevn> also does your activity implement runnable?
Nov 23 08:49:03 <klaudeclaw> it looks cool, however I think that they have built it themselves
Nov 23 08:49:22 <dblosevn> public class yourclass Extends Activity Implements Runnable
Nov 23 08:50:58 <dblosevn> @socket
Nov 23 08:51:37 <socket> no, it doesnt
Nov 23 08:52:13 <alex_PP> socket, run is never called
Nov 23 08:52:18 <alex_PP> no new thread is even created
Nov 23 08:52:28 <alex_PP> you may as well have called new Object();
Nov 23 08:52:52 <dblosevn> your activity must implement Runnable
Nov 23 08:53:21 <alex_PP> http://pastebin.com/uGNMhZV8
Nov 23 08:53:31 <alex_PP> that should work
Nov 23 08:53:56 <dblosevn> and you should also call .start() lol
Nov 23 08:54:21 <dblosevn> oh he did call.start()
Nov 23 08:54:36 <dblosevn> so his code is right his activity just doesnt implement runnable
Nov 23 08:54:44 <squ> how to turn off internet during avd run (simulation)
Nov 23 08:55:10 <alex_PP> dblosevn, the activity doesn't need to implemnt runnable
Nov 23 08:55:14 <dblosevn> unplug your internet? lmao its in the avd options
Nov 23 08:55:46 <alex_PP> socket, a better idea than a new Thread & Runnable is to use a Loader or AsyncTask
Nov 23 08:55:56 <dblosevn> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/Runnable.html
Nov 23 08:56:08 <dblosevn> Starts executing the active part of the class' code. This method is called when a thread is started that has been created with a class which implements Runnable.
Nov 23 08:56:42 <alex_PP> the activity would need to implement runnable if he write new Thread(this).start()
Nov 23 08:57:03 <alex_PP> new Runnable(){} creates an annonamouse inner class of type Runnable
Nov 23 08:58:59 <alex_PP> http://www.cs.rit.edu/~tmh/courses/allJava/Anonymous.html
Nov 23 09:04:57 * g00s went to rit :)
Nov 23 09:05:29 <alex_PP> did your learn about anon inner classes??
Nov 23 09:05:41 <g00s> they didn't teach that in computer engineering :P
Nov 23 09:06:15 <alex_PP> it's pretty advanced stuff ;)
Nov 23 09:07:55 <alex_PP> wow, the MIT website is giving me an aneurysm
Nov 23 09:09:58 <Artel> Hello
Nov 23 09:11:50 <timroes> Hello
Nov 23 09:12:29 <Artel> I'm new to android development, and I'm stuck on something. I'm experimenting with creating new resource values. I created "colors.xml" and "dimens.xml" in my values folder, and created colors and dimens. In my layout, it does not resolve my color properly. My colors.xml file looks like this: http://pastebin.com/ciBgzfiS
Nov 23 09:13:27 <Artel> Here's my dimens.xml file: http://pastebin.com/7JuscJDZ For some reason, when I click on the "Text Size" properties, the Resource Chooser dialog box comes out and lists "big" and "bigger" as my values under "Project resources". but my xml file only lists "big"
Nov 23 09:13:53 <timroes> Artel: how does your reference in the layout file looks like
Nov 23 09:13:59 <Artel> I had a dimen value called "big" in my xml file but it's gone
Nov 23 09:14:11 <Artel> I deleted that line, but the resource manager still displays it as a choice
Nov 23 09:14:30 <Leeds> Artel: when you say it doesn't resolve your colour properly... what does it do, how does it fail, is there an error, does everything come up in pink...what?
Nov 23 09:14:33 <Artel> timroes: itl ooks like this: android:textColor="@color/maroon" />
Nov 23 09:15:04 <Artel> It does not fail, but just doesn't show the color. I also have this message: " '@color\maroon' must start with #"
Nov 23 09:15:05 <squ> how to turn off internet during avd run (simulation)
Nov 23 09:15:14 <Artel> and "Couldn't resolve resource @color/maroon"
Nov 23 09:15:31 <alex_PP> sounds like a job for project-> clean
Nov 23 09:15:46 <alex_PP> eclipse gets it's nickers in a twist easily
Nov 23 09:16:01 <timroes> squ: you can use F8 to turn of networking, but there was a bug, that your emulator sjhows no network, but apps still can send data very fine, i am not sure, if they fixed it already
Nov 23 09:17:11 <timroes> squ: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3838 it seems not to be fixed
Nov 23 09:17:43 <Artel> alex_PP: thanks. cleaning did the trick. I thought I was just being wrong since I'm new to android dev. this isn't the first time eclipse made me second guess myself
Nov 23 09:18:12 <Leeds> cleaning essentially every time you do anything is a good habit...
Nov 23 09:19:25 <squ> timroes, seems its working fine
Nov 23 09:19:31 <squ> thank you!
Nov 23 09:19:42 <timroes> okay you went to the browser and tried to load a page?
Nov 23 09:20:05 <timroes> because it actually says you has no connection inside the emulator, but you can still network
Nov 23 09:21:25 <squ> my app cant POST data
Nov 23 09:21:39 <squ> its exactly what I wanted
Nov 23 09:21:43 <timroes> okay than they seemed to fix it (at least parts of it, since the bug is still open)
Nov 23 09:31:52 <johny-b-goode> guys, you pass objects around to activity as parcelables or just pass dbid and let the activities work it out?
Nov 23 09:32:09 <g00s> dbid?
Nov 23 09:32:21 <johny-b-goode> database id
Nov 23 09:32:32 <g00s> oh, well id its in the db, yeah just a url
Nov 23 09:32:45 <johny-b-goode> url?
Nov 23 09:33:01 <g00s> dbid ;)
Nov 23 09:33:11 <g00s> if its a content provider, url
Nov 23 09:33:31 <johny-b-goode> oh, I ask 'coz there was mention of URL in the intents documentation.
Nov 23 09:34:28 <johny-b-goode> cool, yeah then I think the app is almost done. :) activities launching fine. intent it working. startactivityforresult is working.
Nov 23 09:38:18 <sp1ral> Hey, I'm going to be working on an app which takes key data from wikipedia, i was wondering whether it would be better to have the device connect to wikipedia then do all the parsing itself, or to have the phone connect to my own webserver which would run a shell/perl script and send back the raw data for the phone to use... any thoughts?
Nov 23 09:39:05 <timroes> sp1ral: if you connect to your server, you can prepare the data on your server
Nov 23 09:39:17 <timroes> meaning: you could compress it, strip unnecessary data off
Nov 23 09:39:52 <johny-b-goode> but you add an extra failure point. and maintenance point.
Nov 23 09:40:08 <johny-b-goode> on the other hand downloading the entire thing to device and parsing might be noticeably slow.
Nov 23 09:40:10 <timroes> will make the data you need to transfer, way smaller. Main disadvantages, I would see: you need to program a server component; and i guess wikipedia has a better and more reliable infrastructure, than you have (if not, grats to yoru infrastructure)
Nov 23 09:40:18 <johny-b-goode> shouldn't be tho, if you have 2G ram.
Nov 23 09:41:50 <timroes> also you have to handle on mobile devices unsteady connections, and connection aborts, if you have an own server, you have more freedoms, to make your app stable working, even though to unstable connection
Nov 23 09:42:09 <sp1ral> i suppose if i make it on a webserver i also have the option of having the same exact tool for pc use
Nov 23 09:42:14 <timroes> so in general if you have the resources to code and maintain the server part, I would recommend to use your own server
Nov 23 09:42:18 <g00s> the wikipedia app is open source; maybe you could just adapt it :|
Nov 23 09:42:26 <alex_PP> also, if anything on WP changes, if you're preproccessing on your server you can keep up with out a rerelease
Nov 23 09:43:14 <johny-b-goode> if they have APIs, that would be best. parsing docs always sucks.
Nov 23 09:57:32 <Zuarko> hi, when I debug an app does this action wipe the database of the app?
Nov 23 09:57:41 <Zuarko> I mean, I debug, I make some changes and then debug again
Nov 23 09:58:00 <Zuarko> is wipped out the db in the second debugging
Nov 23 09:58:01 <Zuarko> ?
Nov 23 09:58:04 <johny-b-goode> if you restart the emulator the sqlite db is gone.
Nov 23 09:58:33 <Zuarko> it would be in a real device
Nov 23 09:59:08 <johny-b-goode> on the real device on mine it stays fine between app updates.
Nov 23 10:09:37 <Tee_Pee> Sup folks
Nov 23 10:10:28 <Tee_Pee> I've been hanging around this channel for a month now or so, getting help with my various issues... today I have no issues whatsoever, the application works better than expected, with no memory leaks, no weird bugs, no nothing, so just came in to say hi :D
Nov 23 10:10:40 <timroes> hi Tee_Pee :)
Nov 23 10:11:05 <timroes> if the application work better than expected, you have to make harder stress tests :D
Nov 23 10:12:51 <squ> after avd relaunch, eclipse does not show any avd in the ddms list, how to refresh it?
Nov 23 10:12:52 <Anoia> Tee_Pee: if it works that well, you;ve missed something :p
Nov 23 10:12:54 <Zuarko> thanks for the info johny-b-goode :)
Nov 23 10:13:12 <Tee_Pee> Anoia - I know, there ARE bugs, just not critical ones :p
Nov 23 10:13:33 <Tee_Pee> when taking a photo, the scroll position in the current album still resets, which is annoying.
Nov 23 10:14:09 <Tee_Pee> but the critical bugs, related to downloading and displaying of the images, syncing up with new / deleted albums and images from the server
Nov 23 10:14:14 <Tee_Pee> those are gone (I think)
Nov 23 10:30:18 <alex_PP> Tee_Pee, what's your app?
Nov 23 10:35:12 <Udmurt> I'm using joda-time in my project and it's very slow to initialize. Topic on stackowerflow didn't help to speed it up. I need in my app only local time, is there any way to disable time zones at all?
Nov 23 10:37:16 <SuD> can you go back to default Date and Calendar?
Nov 23 10:38:29 <Maurits_> Udmurt: I'm missing the link between slowness -> disable time zones
Nov 23 10:38:56 <Udmurt> joda slow because it initializes the time zone database
Nov 23 10:39:20 <Udmurt> it takes up to 7 seconds, it's too much
Nov 23 10:39:39 <Tee_Pee> alex_PP - mobile version of www.pycsell.com
Nov 23 10:40:20 <SuD> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5059663/android-java-joda-date-is-slow <-- there are a few related threads, and each one with posts providing a different solution
Nov 23 10:40:22 <Udmurt> in my app I use only LocalDate* so I don't need timezones, I think
Nov 23 10:40:44 <Tee_Pee> fuck, so many typos on that slideshow
Nov 23 10:41:42 <SuD> "Joda-Time is designed for long running enterprise systems where a one-off up front load time is irrelevant compared to the faster performance during the rest of the application." <-- not meant for mobile?
Nov 23 10:42:30 <Udmurt> SuD, I read it and tested some solutions, but none works for me
Nov 23 10:43:56 <Udmurt> Even tried to load only one current time-zone, but joda fails to load
Nov 23 10:44:12 <root66> adq: yeah, actually. I have 9 voices (3 slightly detuned sets of 3 harmonics) and it sounds just like and electric organ
Nov 23 10:44:19 <root66> *an
Nov 23 10:44:28 <SuD> also, http://www.date4j.net/ (someone suggested)
Nov 23 10:45:02 <root66> I have the keys set up to play and light up the closest key when you play on the keys, but there is also a slider pad and still an option to enable the magnometer to play it like a theremin
Nov 23 10:45:29 <root66> now I am looking at using the ndk to hopefully get slightly less latency
Nov 23 10:45:41 <root66> since AudioTrack seems to buffer a little
Nov 23 10:45:43 <Udmurt> Date4j don't support partial dates, and I need it date without year, so I choose joda
Nov 23 10:48:34 <Udmurt> I think there way to load only minimal time zones plus one current, but what a "minimal
Nov 23 10:52:28 <SuD> some people even suggest to dig into the code and make a custom build of the library
Nov 23 10:53:54 <Number5> Hello guys, my mainactivity must run in portrait mode, I set that in the Manifest file. However, when I launch a camera app and return to my main activity, it creates my main activity first as horizontal mode and than recreates it in portrait mode. Is this a bug on Samsung devices?
Nov 23 10:55:34 <SuD> it does look like a bug, i don't know on what phones it may happen
Nov 23 10:56:14 <SuD> probably all you can do is idle when launched in portrait mode, waiting for the landscape
Nov 23 10:57:07 <Number5> What happens is, I show a dialog in onActivityResult(), but short after that, the main activity recreates the main activity on the right mode (portrait) and my dialog window leaks (that's the error I see according to the logging).
Nov 23 10:58:13 <EPG> Number5, can you post your manifest?
Nov 23 10:59:00 <Number5> SuD, thnx, but that's an ugly workaround, so what I have to do is check whether it's protrait or landscape and cache the data, when rebuild check if there is some cache data and than fire the dialog :(
Nov 23 10:59:09 <Number5> EPG, one moment
Nov 23 11:02:58 <Number5> EPG: http://pastebin.com/R04M8Bxu
Nov 23 11:04:32 <Number5> By the way, I don't have this issue on HTC Sensation
Nov 23 11:05:17 <EPG> on which device does it occur?
Nov 23 11:05:45 <Number5> Samsung S+ if I'm correct, I'll check its code
Nov 23 11:05:47 <DysonReturns> Number5: i have to fix the dialog thing myself now, leaking. I haven't found a cute way to destroy my progressdialogs. For one thing the previous guy who built this, had to show the dialogs from a thread or in some alternative method, else android complains - guessing it either keeps up the UI or main thread. In any case, trying to kill it onStop or so, it still leaks.
Nov 23 11:06:03 <DysonReturns> Number5: I'm also on sensation, but have an array of devices here.
Nov 23 11:06:06 <Number5> Samsung GT-I9001
Nov 23 11:07:10 <DysonReturns> Number5: what I'm gonna do is style a dialogfragment or something to look like progresdialg. The API documentation actually advises against the user of progressdialog. As for alerts, maybe try and see of just onStop(){ mDialog.dismiss(); ... } doesn't sollve it.
Nov 23 11:07:12 <monkyfoniks> can anyone point me in the right direction for dual fragments using the support library?
Nov 23 11:07:38 <Number5> DysonReturns, I guess Android implementation on Samsung devices are not properly built. I often thought the problems were on my side, but those big companies make mistakes too :S
Nov 23 11:07:45 <EPG> Number5, did you try  android:configChanges="orientation|keyboardHidden" ?
Nov 23 11:08:40 <Number5> EPG, what does this by the way, I've seen this setting before, but I forgot
Nov 23 11:09:02 <EPG> it tells the system that you handle these changes yourself
Nov 23 11:09:11 <Number5> monkyfoniks, I think that's basic, just look for docs and tutorials on the net
Nov 23 11:09:28 <DysonReturns> Number5: samsung has quite the few issues. I know :/
Nov 23 11:10:57 <Number5> EPG, well that's exactly I don't want to do, cause my code is kind of out of control, to handle orientation changes properly I have to start all over again. Handling orientation means you have to cache all necessary data...
Nov 23 11:11:55 <Number5> DysonReturns, yes, like passing a filepath to the camera app instead of the other way around.
Nov 23 11:12:01 <squ> timroes, any ideas how to simulate slow answer from http?
Nov 23 11:12:31 <timroes> squ: if you have your own server, create a delay in the server, before it sends the response
Nov 23 11:12:48 <Number5> EPG, thank you for your help, guys thank you all. I guess I have to do another ugly workaround specific for Samung again.
Nov 23 11:13:22 <timroes> also with ddms you can set a speed and latency, but the last time i tried it, the emulator just ignores that. (but that time also it ignored switching of the network completly what seems to be fixed now)
Nov 23 11:13:31 <EPG> Number5, with this configChanges options i drive well on samsung s5360
Nov 23 11:16:02 <Bacta> I'm a little confused about OpenGL in Android. How can I get a square to stretch across the whole screen given the screen is essentially a rectangle?
Nov 23 11:17:00 <squ> timroes, ddms> emulator control has options for Telephony
Nov 23 11:17:33 <timroes> yeah so isn't that essentially what you want to test? how your app behave under slow network conditions?
Nov 23 11:17:45 <timroes> or do you really expect the server to send slow responses?
Nov 23 11:20:10 <squ> gprs, edte, umts - which is slowest?
Nov 23 11:20:18 <squ> edge
Nov 23 11:20:29 <EPG> gprs iirc
Nov 23 11:20:31 <klaudeclaw> gprs
Nov 23 11:21:18 <timroes> squ: gprs < edge < UMTS < HSDPA
Nov 23 11:28:35 <hydra__> I'm building this application that fetches scoring data from an URL. Multiple Activities may ask (eg. button click) for scoring updates. I've placed the updateScoring() method inside my own Application instance. Every Activity that wants to receive scoring update (eg. after clicking a refresh button) have an Observer class defined that receive the Application.updateScoring() response when it's ready. Is this good practice?
Nov 23 11:29:16 <belgianguy> Bacta: you just set your viewport to 0,0,width, height
Nov 23 11:29:18 <squ> wanted to generate time-out exception for HttpURLConnection
Nov 23 11:29:28 <hydra__> updateScoring() makes use of ASyncTask. Task's onPostExecute notifies all the observers.
Nov 23 11:30:02 <belgianguy> you just have a rectangular view of a scene
Nov 23 11:30:56 <EPG> hydra__, seems ok
Nov 23 11:30:59 <squ> timroes, that switching to gprs do not generate time-outs :)
Nov 23 11:31:23 <timroes> squ: yeah as i said, last time i used it, it didn't had any effect on the actual speed of the network
Nov 23 11:31:29 <timroes> (not sure if it is meant to have that)
Nov 23 11:31:34 <belgianguy> also, gluLookAt uses a width/height ratio
Nov 23 11:32:36 <timroes> squ: if you want to simulate a timeout just open a local server `nc -l <yourport>` and connect to that (if you run inside emulator your host system is 10.0.2.2)
Nov 23 11:33:13 <Tee_Pee> Remember what I said about there not being any more critical bugs?
Nov 23 11:33:16 <Tee_Pee> Well, I was wrong :(
Nov 23 11:33:35 <languish> you must have rolled too many 1's
Nov 23 11:33:52 <languish> :|
Nov 23 11:34:07 <belgianguy> Tee_Pee: come on, fess up :p
Nov 23 11:34:34 <Bacta> belgianguy: Thanks, what gl call would I be making?
Nov 23 11:35:11 <belgianguy> Bacta: gl is quite a big subject and depends a lot on what you want to do
Nov 23 11:35:27 <belgianguy> if you could be more specific
Nov 23 11:35:32 <Bacta> is it gluPerspective?
Nov 23 11:35:40 <belgianguy> is you want 3D yes
Nov 23 11:35:48 <belgianguy> if*
Nov 23 11:35:49 <Bacta> No, 2D
Nov 23 11:35:53 <squ> timroes, does this always ends with timeout?
Nov 23 11:35:53 <belgianguy> glOrthof
Nov 23 11:36:04 <belgianguy> that ignores the z axis
Nov 23 11:36:36 <squ> there is a response message for a browser from server?
Nov 23 11:37:50 <timroes> squ: `nc -l port` just opens a socket ont hat port, so you can send data to it, and if you don't tell nc it doesnt return anything
Nov 23 11:38:12 <squ> with gps coordinates android allows to telnet to emulator, and put geo locations. Is there option to put manual network parameters like with gps?
Nov 23 11:38:20 <timroes> but i am not for lunch :)
Nov 23 11:38:41 <squ> eat as fast as you can please
Nov 23 11:38:44 <squ> :)
Nov 23 11:58:27 <Tee_Pee> belgianguy - turns out messing around with code makes things that worked before not work anymore :D
Nov 23 11:58:53 <belgianguy> Tee_Pee: ouch, yeah, been there done that
Nov 23 11:59:11 <Tee_Pee> in short, if you upload an image without a destination album, it goes to "Mobile Uploads" by default... well, issues arise if that album does not exist, i.e. it has to be created.
Nov 23 11:59:33 <belgianguy> ouch, yeah
Nov 23 11:59:40 <Tee_Pee> Which is all fine and dandy, the server handles server-end album creation easily, but there are 2 problems
Nov 23 11:59:42 <belgianguy> that might not be pretty
Nov 23 11:59:43 <root66> is anyone here familiar with using the NDK?
Nov 23 12:00:09 <root66> I have never used it, and I am not sure exactly how to, especially considering I use IntelliJ IDEA
Nov 23 12:00:17 <root66> am I going to have to suck it up and get eclipse?
Nov 23 12:00:34 <Tee_Pee> 1 - when the user snaps a picture, they shouldn't have to wait for it to be uploaded and processed, then re-download it to view it, that's stupid, the images are there. So I have to locally create the album in the DB, put all info in it, and display it to the user as if it were cached
Nov 23 12:01:01 <Tee_Pee> Upload it in the background, and update ID values when they come back from the server, renaming the cache folder in the process.
Nov 23 12:01:05 <belgianguy> Tee_Pee: ah nice
Nov 23 12:01:25 <belgianguy> so they never have to wait, and have a cached copy before a server sync
Nov 23 12:01:26 <Tee_Pee> 2 - This has to work in offline mode, with the upload being queued for when the user next time connects to the internet
Nov 23 12:01:41 <Tee_Pee> aye, for the user, it has to be seamless.
Nov 23 12:02:10 <Tee_Pee> It's just a huge mess to determine what needs to be synced, what needs to be uploaded, downloaded
Nov 23 12:02:27 <belgianguy> I can imagine
Nov 23 12:02:42 <belgianguy> root66: what language is your NDK lib in?
Nov 23 12:03:11 <root66> Tee_Pee: I missed your entire conversation, but I did something along these lines and used md5's of the images to quickly determine which ones needed syncing
Nov 23 12:04:21 <root66> belgianguy: I literally just downloaded android-ndk-r8c and extracted it next to android-sdk-windows
Nov 23 12:04:27 <Tee_Pee> I don't need anything that complex... I just have an "queuedForUpload" flag in my SQLite DB
Nov 23 12:04:38 <root66> I am on step 0
Nov 23 12:04:40 <belgianguy> root66: I've used the CLI tools to build NDK projects (ndk and ant) hang on
Nov 23 12:04:42 <Bacta> Another OpenGL question - onDrawFrame is called by some other thread I don't think I have any control over.. How can I synchronise calls to onDrawFrame through my main game loop?
Nov 23 12:05:22 <uniquesupri> Hi how would one test whether the android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast is received by out code? Would one need to reboot the device or restart the emulator to get this broadcast?
Nov 23 12:06:48 <root66> Tee_Pee: a 32k chunk of data holds the md5 of 1000 images, for example, so you could generate a huge list of md5's and dump them and the other end knows every image you have without relying on a db
Nov 23 12:06:53 <root66> just food for thought
Nov 23 12:07:07 <EPG> uniquesupri, you can send such broadcasts via adb
Nov 23 12:07:13 <belgianguy> root66: what OS do you use?
Nov 23 12:07:17 <root66> windows
Nov 23 12:07:58 <Tee_Pee> root66 - I don't need the other end to know what images I got... this is roughly the process by which it goes
Nov 23 12:08:28 <Tee_Pee> I open an album, request to server, get JSON back, build everything from the JSON, downloading the images in the process
Nov 23 12:08:29 <root66> yeah this may not apply to what you are doing at all, I just figured I would share since it was relevant
Nov 23 12:09:01 <Tee_Pee> I open the album again, show the cached stuff, send sync request to server, get JSON back, compare it to cache (via IDs), see what's new, what's deleted, update cache accordingly
Nov 23 12:09:35 <Tee_Pee> every now and then I check my DB for images that are flagged for upload, and upload them to the server accordingly
Nov 23 12:09:39 <belgianguy> root66: on second thought, that forum post of mine I wanted to refer to is pretty messy
Nov 23 12:09:42 <Tee_Pee> the server handles it from there
Nov 23 12:09:54 <uniquesupri> EPG: thanks, is this right? adb shell am broadcast -a <action> ?
Nov 23 12:09:56 <root66> my db would probably only consist of image-md5 and albumID pairs
Nov 23 12:10:19 <Tee_Pee> possibly
Nov 23 12:10:20 <root66> actually I guess I would go ahead and store a filename
Nov 23 12:10:21 <root66> or id
Nov 23 12:10:42 <EPG> uniquesupri, guess not, but adb help should help you there
Nov 23 12:10:47 <Tee_Pee> I keep files cached locally, so I have IDs, thumb uri's, full view uri's, updated_at, created_at, a few other things as well
Nov 23 12:10:58 <EPG> iirc at least the 'shell' is superflucious
Nov 23 12:10:59 <root66> belgianguy: thanks anyway
Nov 23 12:11:13 <EPG> *superfluous
Nov 23 12:11:23 <uniquesupri> EPG: thanks
Nov 23 12:11:32 <root66> man I wish I wasn't like the only guy on earth using intelliJ idea
Nov 23 12:11:36 <belgianguy> root66: in short, I did the Java in Eclipse, but fiddled with the C++ in gedit, then ran ndk-build (make sure you set up the CPU architectures to build for) and then ran "ant debug"
Nov 23 12:11:36 <root66> maybe I should try eclipse again
Nov 23 12:11:42 <root66> it sucked compared to idea when I used to use it
Nov 23 12:11:42 <EPG> tell me which command works, quite some time since i used it
Nov 23 12:11:46 <belgianguy> ant is a standalone program
Nov 23 12:12:08 <timroes> root66: it still sucks :)
Nov 23 12:12:11 <root66> yeah we used to do all our builds with ant
Nov 23 12:12:18 <root66> I never learned the process though
Nov 23 12:12:24 <root66> except just running the rebuild batch
Nov 23 12:12:58 <hydra__> how can one achieve that common horizontal transition effect between views(?)
Nov 23 12:13:01 <hydra__> ?
Nov 23 12:14:54 <root66> hydra__: ViewFlipper?
Nov 23 12:15:32 <Tee_Pee> quick question
Nov 23 12:15:44 <belgianguy> root66: this is the gist of it
Nov 23 12:15:46 <hydra__> root66: suggestive name
Nov 23 12:15:52 <belgianguy> in each project dir I ran: "rm build.xml && ndk-build && android update project --target 8 --path . && ant debug"
Nov 23 12:15:58 <Tee_Pee> I have a fragment which is used to display the user's friend list... it inflates a layout with a listview, and a loader message
Nov 23 12:16:14 <belgianguy> targets are dependant on which sdks you have installed
Nov 23 12:16:22 <Tee_Pee> however, if there's no connection, I want that layout to change to a "no connection, click here to retry" layout
Nov 23 12:16:38 <belgianguy> the command "android list targets" will show you those
Nov 23 12:16:38 <Tee_Pee> is there a simple way to inflate a different layout into a fragment?
Nov 23 12:16:39 <root66> man this is going to take serious handholding
Nov 23 12:17:07 <belgianguy> the path point to the current dir
Nov 23 12:17:12 <root66> basically I just want to feed chunks of PCM data to a c++ module that plays the audio
Nov 23 12:17:24 <root66> whatever that entails
Nov 23 12:17:51 <root66> because youy can get lower latency than AudioTrack
Nov 23 12:18:07 <belgianguy> I remove build.xml because ant choked on it, build the ndk/jni parts, after which I regenerate build.xml for my target platform after which I generate a debug APK
Nov 23 12:18:34 <root66> god this sounds difficult
Nov 23 12:18:36 <belgianguy> yeah, I've seen discussions here about that subject
Nov 23 12:18:44 <belgianguy> root66: this was the hardest way possible
Nov 23 12:18:53 <belgianguy> probabluy it's 3 or 4 clicks in Google
Nov 23 12:19:23 <belgianguy> and Eclipse can integrate it into its build path (never attempted that)
Nov 23 12:19:51 <root66> I don't get why there is no native audio exposed through the android apis
Nov 23 12:20:04 <root66> why should I have to do all this just to play sound without lag?
Nov 23 12:20:32 <root66> and why hasn't a 3rd party made this easier for me?
Nov 23 12:20:36 <root66> :P
Nov 23 12:21:06 <root66> opensl|es is overkill
Nov 23 12:21:40 <root66> I think writing my own would be as easy as implementing it
Nov 23 12:21:58 <root66> which is to say not very
Nov 23 12:22:23 <belgianguy> there were 2 music app developers some days ago here
Nov 23 12:22:35 <belgianguy> can't remember their apps, one was VirtualDJ or something
Nov 23 12:22:36 <root66> I'm afraid one of them was me
Nov 23 12:22:40 <root66> oh
Nov 23 12:22:53 <root66> missed that
Nov 23 12:23:02 <belgianguy> as they also said MediaPlayer was too slow
Nov 23 12:23:11 <belgianguy> and then proceeded to tell what they did use
Nov 23 12:23:15 <belgianguy> but I forgot :/
Nov 23 12:23:19 <root66> oh it's o,possible... you have to at least use AudioTrack and write to it directly
Nov 23 12:23:24 <root66> impossible*
Nov 23 12:23:51 <root66> I gave up on syncing any sound using timers or media players
Nov 23 12:23:54 <belgianguy> is this a logged IRC?
Nov 23 12:23:57 <hydra__> root66: with ViewFlipper, can i use touch to slide views?
Nov 23 12:24:15 <root66> hydra__: you basically flip to the next page, like in the photo gallery
Nov 23 12:29:25 <belgianguy> root66: http://audioprograming.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/android-audio-streaming-with-opensl-es-and-the-ndk/
Nov 23 12:37:00 <somenoob> hello
Nov 23 12:37:24 <belgianguy> hi-diddely-ho
Nov 23 12:41:11 <somenoob> this may be a stupid question but here it goes anyway :) is it normal for etc1 compression to yield bigger file sizes than the original png image?
Nov 23 12:42:50 <belgianguy> then it's not really compression, is it ;)
Nov 23 12:43:01 <SuD> i'm reading about it, is etc1 always 24 bit? was original image <24 bit?
Nov 23 12:43:57 <somenoob> original image is 24 bit
Nov 23 12:45:11 <belgianguy> does anyone know if getWindowManager() and getSystemService(Context.WINDOW_SERVICE) are interchangeable?
Nov 23 12:46:04 <SuD> i see. It looks that etc1's objective is to provide a little compression and fast performance
Nov 23 12:46:57 <SuD> while the goal of PNG is to provide good lossless compression at standard speed
Nov 23 12:47:30 <SuD> So from the point of view who didn't know what "etc1" was 5 minutes ago, it looks normal
Nov 23 12:49:56 <somenoob> thanks SuD
Nov 23 12:50:33 <somenoob> I needed thisconfirmation because it was always on my mind that I'm doing something wrong with the textures
Nov 23 12:51:09 <somenoob> as a 50KB png file comes out as a 512KB pkm file
Nov 23 12:51:36 <SuD> according to wikipedia you can get up to 6x compression over (raw imho) 24bit data
Nov 23 12:53:17 <SuD> so what is the resolution of the image in pixels?
Nov 23 12:53:55 <somenoob> 1024 x 1024 texture atlas
Nov 23 12:55:16 <somenoob> well... the file size is correct
Nov 23 12:55:21 <SuD> that'd be 3MB raw. So the compress ratio until 0.5MB is approx 6x.
Nov 23 12:55:46 <somenoob> you're right
Nov 23 12:56:10 <SuD> what i don't know is whether there is a recommended workflow with those images
Nov 23 12:56:27 <SuD> like distribute them in etc1 format, or do the confersion after installing the app or even in runtime
Nov 23 12:57:13 <SuD> i guess that if you zip them you're still gaining a lot
Nov 23 12:57:37 <somenoob> 5KB zipped
Nov 23 13:05:40 <DOSP> Can someone help me ? what does this mean ? My app crashes from yesterday without changing anything 11-23 12:11:38.073: E/AndroidRuntime(772): java.lang.IllegalStateException: Could not find a method readWebpage(View) in the activity class com.example.JSONParser.MainActivity for onClick handler on view class android.widget.Button with id 'button1'
Nov 23 13:07:21 <Maurits_> you probably have an onClick handler defined in one of your layout xmls
Nov 23 13:07:29 <Maurits_> that points to a nonexistent method
Nov 23 13:09:22 <Maurits_> I don't know about the not changing anything bit
Nov 23 13:09:35 <Maurits_> but this doesn't just randomly happen :)
Nov 23 13:18:46 <mesuutt> hi,I am new to java and android development.I want to fetch image from url for listView,I am using android-async-http library. I am getting image as bytes but I cant covert bytes to image.How can I convert bytes to image?
Nov 23 13:20:30 <Maurits_> Bitmap bmp = BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray(data, 0, data.length);
Nov 23 13:21:39 <Maurits_> or, I guess it depends on what format your byte array is in
Nov 23 13:26:51 <plushy> So I wanted to use Zxing, it's website says it's under Apache licence, and to avoid complication one should use intents. They even provide code to use it as intent! And the code is under Apache licence :? Does anyone know a barcode library with normal licence?
Nov 23 13:27:14 <belgianguy> plushy: Apache is both free and commerical
Nov 23 13:27:28 <belgianguy> eg, "whatever you want to do"
Nov 23 13:28:06 <ben2333> how can I writeToParcel() and in.read.. a generic specific SparseArray ?
Nov 23 13:34:21 <plushy> belgianguy: okay, but I'm not really sure how to use it in my android project to be compatible with the licence
Nov 23 13:35:01 <timroes> plushy: what would you consider a normal license? :D
Nov 23 13:35:40 <timroes> apache is, imho, one of the most open and permitting licensings out there, so what else can you wish?
Nov 23 13:36:05 <belgianguy> plushy: there is nothing more handy than Apache, you don't have to give back anything
Nov 23 13:36:09 <belgianguy> and you can use what you want
Nov 23 13:36:34 <timroes> and (in contrast to MIT and BSD) you can hardly break patents with it
Nov 23 13:36:52 <plushy> belgianguy: but doesn't Apache require me to add a copy of the licence?
Nov 23 13:37:12 <Maurits_> only if you redistribute the library afaik
Nov 23 13:37:30 <timroes> plushy: in source code
Nov 23 13:37:39 <timroes> just leave the apache header in the source code and you will be fine
Nov 23 13:39:19 <plushy> but still in the app I have to mention I used it, don't I?
Nov 23 13:39:26 <timroes> no
Nov 23 13:39:28 <timroes> you don't
Nov 23 13:39:45 <timroes> do you know MIT or BSD license?
Nov 23 13:42:09 <belgianguy> I really helps to just read them sometimes :)
Nov 23 13:42:25 <belgianguy> but it's indeed quite lawyerly written
Nov 23 13:42:45 <timroes> yeah, the wiki page has a clearer explanation, of what you are allowed to do with it
Nov 23 13:46:47 <plushy> but using the library in the android app is clearly redistribution since android doesn't allow shared libraries, right?
Nov 23 13:53:11 <belgianguy> plushy: so you mention them in the credits, as a token of appreciation
Nov 23 13:53:18 <belgianguy> which IIRC isn't even mandatory
Nov 23 13:53:24 <belgianguy> but "nice"
Nov 23 13:54:36 <belgianguy> plushy: you'd already have to be a criminal mastermind to violate the Apache license
Nov 23 13:59:13 <plushy> oh, don't tell me now it's illegal to use it for criminal purpouses
Nov 23 13:59:18 <evelyette_> hi
Nov 23 13:59:26 <plushy> I want me doomsday machine to be fully legal
Nov 23 13:59:33 <evelyette_> I'm running an app that runs out of memory: outofmemoryexception
Nov 23 13:59:48 <evelyette_> how can I debug it to figure out which class/function tries to allocate so much memory ?
Nov 23 13:59:59 <evelyette_> what are the default sizes the android system lets the application use ?
Nov 23 14:05:49 <timroes> evelyette_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5350465/android-heap-size-on-different-phones-and-os-versions (2nd answer for heap sizes) and for debugging use this: http://developer.android.com/tools/debugging/debugging-tracing.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CruQY55HOk
Nov 23 14:08:14 <timroes> evelyette_: especially the google I/O talk (youtube link) is really helpful, for learning how to look into your apps memory
Nov 23 14:08:36 <lapdis> I have a textview that should have width=wrap_content, but I want it to place the content evenly on 2 rows. How do I do that? :S
Nov 23 14:08:47 <evelyette_> timroes, thank you, I'll take a look
Nov 23 14:29:09 <schizomera> hello
Nov 23 14:30:00 <schizomera> is there any way to create a custom circular DETERMINATE progress bar using XML? like you would with an horizontal one
Nov 23 14:34:49 <evelyette_> hi, I've just enabled the android:minSdkVersion="11" but I still get this error when setting largeheap in android manifest: AndroidManifest.xml:22: error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'largeheap' in package 'android'
Nov 23 14:34:52 <evelyette_> any ideas why?
Nov 23 14:35:02 <evelyette_> the largeheap should be enabled in API 11
Nov 23 14:35:52 <HDroid> It is largeHeap ?
Nov 23 14:35:56 <HDroid> Capital H
Nov 23 14:36:06 <Gaz`> why am i so bad at parsing json, anyone know how i get the first thing here [{"type": 0, "itemtype": 1}], I have the json object and i can getString for identifier etc, but how do I get that first bit..  [[{"rules": [{"type": 0, "itemtype": 1}], "identifier": "allrides", "display": "Rides", "name": "All Rides"},{"rules": [{"type": 1, "categories": ["ride.rollercoaster"]}], "identifier":
Nov 23 14:36:06 <Gaz`> "rollercoasters", "name": "Roller Coasters"},..
Nov 23 14:36:49 <HDroid> Oof
Nov 23 14:37:07 <HDroid> Jackson or gson + class structure + firefox jsonview plugin = winning team
Nov 23 14:37:18 <Gaz`> yeh i can view it nicely
Nov 23 14:37:22 <Gaz`> but its weird as hell json
Nov 23 14:38:06 <schizomera> getJSONArray
Nov 23 14:38:07 <schizomera> ?
Nov 23 14:38:16 <Gaz`> needs a name tho
Nov 23 14:39:45 <Gaz`> i find none of these meta lang thingies acceptably easy
Nov 23 14:39:53 <Gaz`> unless u make the data format yourself, which is silly
Nov 23 14:40:09 <HDroid> Data format? All I usually make is a class graph.
Nov 23 14:40:22 <Gaz`> i have parsed like 20 files in this proj but this one is odd, i had to convert plist from ios to json
Nov 23 14:40:25 <HDroid> Depending on the sanity of the json, that's pretty straightforward.
Nov 23 14:40:45 <Gaz`> yeh
Nov 23 14:41:10 <Gaz`> well id just like to keep it simple instea dof all these unneccessary nested things ppl make
Nov 23 14:41:33 <HDroid> Seriously, manual parsing isn't simple or readable at all.
Nov 23 14:41:47 <HDroid> Classes with fields and lists of other classes is a much better semantic match.
Nov 23 14:41:49 <Gaz`> i dont mean that i mean keeping the Json simple
Nov 23 14:41:59 <Gaz`> instea dof pointless arrays like this that i cant even get
Nov 23 14:42:01 <HDroid> Ah yes, agreed
Nov 23 14:42:25 <HDroid> Usually it ends up being List<List<String>> or something in the class graph :)
Nov 23 14:43:06 <HDroid> But List<List<String> is still better than getJsonArray(..).getJsonArray(...).getJsonObject(...).getString()
Nov 23 14:44:11 <evelyette_> HDroid, it's the same with largeHeap
Nov 23 14:44:21 <schizomera> tried calling getJSONArray("rules")
Nov 23 14:44:22 <schizomera> ?
Nov 23 14:44:45 <evelyette_> HDroid, AndroidManifest.xml:22: error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'largeHeap' in package 'android'
Nov 23 14:44:56 <HDroid> evelyette_: is it in the application tag?
Nov 23 14:45:12 <schizomera> evelyette_ are you declaring the attribute in the right place?
Nov 23 14:46:17 <evelyette_> HDroid, of course: http://dpaste.com/835387/
Nov 23 14:46:54 <HDroid> Maybe the build system is still stuck thinking it's on a different API level?
Nov 23 14:47:33 <evelyette_> HDroid, how can I check
Nov 23 14:47:35 <evelyette_> ant clean ?
Nov 23 14:47:48 <HDroid> Not sure, all I know is eclipse.
Nov 23 14:47:57 <schizomera> you have to declare in the activity tag
Nov 23 14:47:57 <schizomera> not application
Nov 23 14:48:15 <evelyette_> schizomera, ?
Nov 23 14:48:36 <HDroid> That doesn't correspond with what I'm reading in the docs.
Nov 23 14:49:08 <Gaz`> schizomera yes i get "error no value for"
Nov 23 14:49:28 <schizomera> sorry, nevermind
Nov 23 14:49:37 <evelyette_> ok I cleaned the project, but the same error, any more ideas ?
Nov 23 14:49:38 <Gaz`> yeh its weird
Nov 23 14:50:52 <schizomera> Gaz` what you have to parse is a json array with nested json arrays, each one with a json array + 3 string objects
Nov 23 14:51:02 <schizomera> right?
Nov 23 14:51:07 <Gaz`> yes
Nov 23 14:51:46 <Gaz`> http://pastebin.com/1bsHKNJS
Nov 23 14:51:47 <Gaz`> json
Nov 23 14:52:15 <Gaz`> bugger, i got to go out in a sec
Nov 23 14:53:08 <schizomera> so you have to iterate through the arrays, and in each one call getJSONArray("rules"), getString("identifier") etc.
Nov 23 14:53:53 <Gaz`> yeh strings work
Nov 23 14:54:00 <Gaz`> getting the array doesnt for some reaosn
Nov 23 14:54:32 <schizomera> hmm
Nov 23 14:55:38 <Gaz`> yeh it should just be getJsonAray("rules") as u said
Nov 23 14:58:11 <Gaz`> i`ll get back on it tomorrow i guess cya guys, thanks
Nov 23 14:58:14 <schizomera> are you parsing the original json string as a JSONOBject or JSONarray?
Nov 23 14:58:31 <Gaz`> initial one is array
Nov 23 14:58:36 <Gaz`> then another array
Nov 23 14:58:40 <Gaz`> then objects within that array
Nov 23 15:01:45 <Gaz`> oh got it
Nov 23 15:02:02 <Gaz`> not sure how lol..
Nov 23 15:02:07 <Gaz`> thx gotta run!
Nov 23 15:02:22 <hydra__> what's a common method for adding a "spacer" between views?
Nov 23 15:02:35 <hydra__> without using margins
Nov 23 15:03:07 <Gaz`> padding?
Nov 23 15:07:20 <Leeds> a blank view?
Nov 23 15:09:28 <Manavan> When specifiying splash images, Nexus 4 phone is picking up from xhdpi which was a tablet splash image used by Nexux 7. How to solve this problem
Nov 23 15:09:46 <Manavan> I want Nexus phone to pick up from hdpi folder only
Nov 23 15:10:03 <Leeds> use screen sizes, not densities, if you care about screen sizes not densities...
Nov 23 15:10:52 <evelyette_> HDroid, any more ideas on largeheap ?
Nov 23 15:11:28 <Manavan> Leeds any tip on how to do that?
Nov 23 15:11:40 <HDroid> Not really, I'm a bit in the dark without my trusty GUI tools.
Nov 23 15:14:16 <Leeds> Manavan: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#AlternativeResources
Nov 23 15:14:50 <Manavan> Thanks Leeds!
Nov 23 15:15:03 <Leeds> I was being semi-sarcastic...
Nov 23 15:15:57 <brickhead> So SQLiteDatabaseLockedException is Api 11, what do ancient Sqlite DB throws when they get locked up?
Nov 23 15:16:35 <Number5> Hello guys, how can I prevent my app to not recreate a new instance of my activity, but rather open last activity? A link or a hint is enough.
Nov 23 15:19:01 <schizomera> i don't think you can do that, i think you can only save the activity variables/state so it can be recreated when you re-open it
Nov 23 15:20:14 <schizomera> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
Nov 23 15:20:31 <Number5> schizomera, the thing is, the activities get stacked up, but there was a way to reorder the stack and open the last activity. but that was a long time ago.
Nov 23 15:21:54 <Number5> Especially when starting activity from the notofication bar, I want to get back to the app and not having another instance of it... There must be a way to fix that.
Nov 23 15:23:08 <schizomera> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5613817/showing-existing-activity-via-notification
Nov 23 15:23:42 <Number5> schizomera, this might help me...
Nov 23 15:23:45 <Number5> thnx
Nov 23 15:28:12 <Tee_Pee> is it possible to send message from an async task back to the caller before the execution finishes?
Nov 23 15:28:22 <Tee_Pee> So before the onPostExecute?
Nov 23 15:28:45 <Tee_Pee> wait, nevermind...
Nov 23 15:31:00 <belgianguy> onProgressUpdate can send things
Nov 23 15:31:36 <belgianguy> what did you use Tee_Pee ?
Nov 23 15:33:51 <mrenouf> I @*&#%^-ing hate doing calendars
Nov 23 15:35:12 <belgianguy> urtgh, my Note 10.1 wont start anymore
Nov 23 15:35:21 <belgianguy> didn't do anything to it
Nov 23 15:35:31 <belgianguy> and it didn't fall
Nov 23 15:35:42 <belgianguy> it's not even rooted, just vanilla
Nov 23 15:36:10 <Number5> belgianguy, maybe that's the cause :P
Nov 23 15:36:32 <belgianguy> Number5: any idea on activating Recovery Mode?
Nov 23 15:37:11 <Number5> I'm sorry bro, could be the poweradapter be broken?
Nov 23 15:37:40 <belgianguy> Number5: I've hooked it to the pc over USB, and it's also not doing anything there
Nov 23 15:38:03 <Number5> it looks like it has no power at all
Nov 23 15:38:13 <belgianguy> yeah
Nov 23 15:38:16 <Tee_Pee> belgianguy - added an additional method to my responsehandler interface, onCache
Nov 23 15:38:22 <Tee_Pee> and I just call that when I need to
Nov 23 15:38:33 <Tee_Pee> (That's the idea, about to try it out)
Nov 23 15:38:44 <belgianguy> ah Tee_Pee: nice, thanks for sharing
Nov 23 15:39:21 <Number5> maybe battery problem. You could let your Note get charging for some hours, hopefully it gets fixed. This was often the cause on old mobiles (I used to repair them very often)
Nov 23 15:41:01 <belgianguy> thanks Number5 :) I found how to go to recovery mode
Nov 23 15:41:06 <belgianguy> and rebooted the machine from there
Nov 23 15:41:14 <belgianguy> and it seems to be very much alive again
Nov 23 15:41:18 <Number5> belgianguy, great, congratualtions man.
Nov 23 15:41:37 <belgianguy> yeah, that would have been a bummer Friday night otherwise
Nov 23 15:41:43 <belgianguy> starting at -600 € :p
Nov 23 15:42:04 <Number5> I understand ;-)
Nov 23 15:42:19 <Number5> Especially in this economic crisis.
Nov 23 15:44:57 <belgianguy> well, I hope Android can provide me with an income soon
Nov 23 15:47:25 <Tee_Pee> hmmm.... this is annoying
Nov 23 15:47:52 <Tee_Pee> I have an activity, in it I got an adapter
Nov 23 15:48:10 <Tee_Pee> I pass that adapter to another class, who calls an asynctask (doesn't pass the adapter)
Nov 23 15:48:50 <Tee_Pee> in that asynctask, while I'm in doInBackground, I call responseHandler.onProgress(), which is implemented in the "another class" that called the asynctask, and it refreshes that adapter
Nov 23 15:49:13 <Tee_Pee> Upon doing that I get an exception saying that I operated on the adapter from the wrong thread
Nov 23 15:50:00 <Tee_Pee> nevermind, found the reason
Nov 23 15:50:45 <belgianguy> Tee_Pee: now now
Nov 23 15:50:54 <belgianguy> you can't start off a story like that
Nov 23 15:51:03 <belgianguy> and then end with a nevermind :p
Nov 23 15:51:14 <Tee_Pee> doInBackground does exactly that, doInBackground... on a different thread
Nov 23 15:51:27 <Tee_Pee> you were right before, gotta use onProgressUpdate
Nov 23 15:51:47 <belgianguy> Tee_Pee: ah, good to know
Nov 23 15:53:00 <Sculptor> hi
Nov 23 15:53:05 <mbarisa> hi
Nov 23 15:54:31 <belgianguy> hello
Nov 23 15:54:40 <timroes> hi
Nov 23 16:00:30 <superlinux-hp> hi. i have a custom view which has a magnetic compass. now if i want to set a different activity title every 1/2 a second, of course, i will need a thread. but in the activity i cannot run another thread to set the title
Nov 23 16:01:01 <schizomera> you can create a Handler with which you can post UI updates
Nov 23 16:01:16 <superlinux-hp> schizomera, show me a link
Nov 23 16:01:41 <belgianguy> use the magic word
Nov 23 16:01:49 <timroes> abracadabra
Nov 23 16:01:52 <belgianguy> "please"
Nov 23 16:01:54 <superlinux-hp> oh yes!
Nov 23 16:01:59 <superlinux-hp> "please"!!!
Nov 23 16:02:01 <superlinux-hp> heheh
Nov 23 16:02:06 <superlinux-hp> sorry
Nov 23 16:02:11 <schizomera> lol
Nov 23 16:02:22 <superlinux-hp> i didn't mean it
Nov 23 16:02:55 <superlinux-hp> what do you call the telescope used by medics?
Nov 23 16:03:21 <superlinux-hp> you know, to scout the digestive system..
Nov 23 16:03:35 <schizomera> can't find any decent link besides the docs
Nov 23 16:03:36 <schizomera> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html
Nov 23 16:03:41 <superlinux-hp> ok
Nov 23 16:03:45 <superlinux-hp> i'll see
Nov 23 16:03:50 <schizomera> but the thing is.. you create the Handler
Nov 23 16:03:55 <kitallis> is it a good pattern to split up view components into separate xml files that belong to a single activity, initialize/find them, pass them up into dedicated classes like a ViewComponentClass and do stuff with it there?
Nov 23 16:04:42 <docmur> when I load a page into a webview is there a flag I can set to make sure the page always displays from the top, one of my pages when it loads is set at the bottom of the page
Nov 23 16:04:42 <superlinux-hp> aha ok schizomera
Nov 23 16:04:43 <schizomera> then call postDelayed(<some runnable>, <time in ms>);
Nov 23 16:05:49 <schizomera> <some runnable> being a Runnable object whose run() function does the title update
Nov 23 16:06:55 <schizomera> then call handler.postDelayed(this, 500);
Nov 23 16:08:52 <evelyette_> hi
Nov 23 16:08:56 <evelyette_> any ideas how to fix this:
Nov 23 16:09:04 <evelyette_> BUILD FAILED
Nov 23 16:09:04 <evelyette_> /home/user/android-sdks/tools/ant/build.xml:916: The following error occurred while executing this line:
Nov 23 16:09:04 <evelyette_> /home/user/android-sdks/tools/ant/build.xml:934: null returned: 1
Nov 23 16:10:24 <evelyette_> I'm also getting an error: Frame pixels must be either solid or transparent (not intermediate alphas).
Nov 23 16:34:05 <canadiancow> is today black friday?
Nov 23 16:34:24 <capella> heh - ummmm yes
Nov 23 16:35:31 <belgianguy> canadiancow: http://i.imgur.com/sUNwK.png
Nov 23 16:35:36 <belgianguy> seems so
Nov 23 16:35:42 <belgianguy> (I lifted that from  Reddit)
Nov 23 16:35:48 <canadiancow> to be fair, im currently in canada
Nov 23 16:35:52 <capella> im living it
Nov 23 16:35:55 <canadiancow> where black friday does not exist
Nov 23 16:36:09 <belgianguy> well, it also doesn't exist in Belgium
Nov 23 16:36:19 <Leeds> or Hong Kong
Nov 23 16:36:44 * capella sighs ... oh the horror
Nov 23 16:37:45 * capella fights off mobs of rowdy housewives .... soccer moms with guns
Nov 23 16:38:22 <belgianguy> capella: you lucky bastage ;)
Nov 23 16:40:04 <capella> serious! we'll have news reports ... last year one pulled a gun over a sale item ... fought her way to the door ....  multiple fistfights
Nov 23 16:40:45 <capella> garbage cans through plate glass windows , etc ... :P
Nov 23 16:41:21 <jakobhans> Are the discounts really worth it?
Nov 23 16:41:30 * capella should move to albert and mine tar sands
Nov 23 16:42:28 <capella> theres some good deals like half off the hottest stuff .. but its extremely limited and meant to just get people in the door .... not cause riots
Nov 23 16:42:59 <Leeds> apparently the play store is saling
Nov 23 16:43:08 <Leeds> sale-ing?
Nov 23 16:45:18 <SimonVT> sailing?
Nov 23 16:45:33 <hydra__> should I ever check getResources().getConfiguration().orientation to decide how to draw runtime widgets? isnt this bad?
Nov 23 16:45:53 <SimonVT> You probably shouldn't
Nov 23 16:47:05 <hydra__> SimonVT: i fetch data from an URL. based on that data i create widgets (in variable quantities)
Nov 23 16:47:37 <hydra__> the formatting of those widgets is different while in PORTRAIT and LANDSCAPE modes.
Nov 23 16:47:54 <SimonVT> What kind of formatting
Nov 23 16:48:27 <hydra__> SimonVT: for example, TextView, if in landscape, i need to break lines
Nov 23 16:50:23 <SimonVT> Then you kinda have to, don't you
Nov 23 16:50:51 <hydra__> feels wrong
Nov 23 16:51:37 <hydra__> I'm bypassing res/layout capabilities
Nov 23 16:53:45 <Komak57> You could always design the widget content 'centerred' and always the same size like I did ;)
Nov 23 16:55:05 <SimonVT> If textviews supported attributes doesn't allow you to do what you want, you can't really use resource qualifiers for it
Nov 23 16:55:05 <Sculptor> well, space between rows and columns changes with orientation
Nov 23 16:55:44 <Komak57> -blinks- it shouldn't
Nov 23 16:55:49 <Sculptor> for widget sizes greater than 1x1
Nov 23 16:55:58 <Komak57> ahh
Nov 23 16:56:55 <Sculptor> in portrait mode your 4x1 widget will be shorter than in landscape mode
Nov 23 16:57:09 <Komak57> supposing you didn
Nov 23 16:57:14 <Sculptor> in portrait mode your 1x4 widget will be taller than in the landscape mode
Nov 23 16:57:19 <Komak57> didn't put it in a layout that limited such stretching
Nov 23 16:57:28 <Sculptor> of course
Nov 23 16:59:02 <Komak57> so he picks a desired HxW size, and generates the layout to stretch to the height, or width (smallest, not both) of the parent.
Nov 23 16:59:29 <Komak57> like ImageView scaling xycenter
Nov 23 17:21:02 <augustl> hi folks. I'm an experienced UI developer, but haven't touched Android before. Any docs/books for me? :)
Nov 23 17:25:48 <Sculptor> augustl, http://developer.android.com/index.html
Nov 23 17:27:09 <augustl> Sculptor: :)
Nov 23 17:28:11 <canaux> Hi all
Nov 23 17:29:32 <Sicp> so I've decompiled the Whatsapp apk using 'apktool if Whatsapp.apk' to generate the needed framework and then I did 'apktool d Whatsapp.apk' for the actual decompilation
Nov 23 17:29:50 <Sicp> I now see .smali everywhere, little of which have any readable code
Nov 23 17:31:05 <canaux> is there a way to decide precisely when a sound will start ? Just as the setRate:time:atHostTime: method of AVPlayer class does on iOS.
Nov 23 17:31:41 <Sicp> iOS references should not make any sense here
Nov 23 17:32:03 <canaux> sorry !
Nov 23 17:32:06 <augustl> http://pastie.org/5423987 - why am I only seeing a green view and no black 50x50 boxes?
Nov 23 17:33:06 <schizomera> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html#postAtTime%28java.lang.Runnable,%20long%29
Nov 23 17:33:19 <schizomera> canaux: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html#postAtTime%28java.lang.Runnable,%20long%29
Nov 23 17:35:27 <schizomera> also http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/Timer.html
Nov 23 17:36:07 <canaux> OK, but it doesn't take into account the audio latency between the command launch and the "HP moving" which seems to be not negligeable
Nov 23 17:36:42 <canaux> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434
Nov 23 17:36:46 <belgianguy> canadiancow: playing audio with realtime precision in Android?
Nov 23 17:36:52 <belgianguy> You're gonna have a bad time
Nov 23 17:37:15 <belgianguy> there's always the NDK, OpenSL etc
Nov 23 17:37:39 <belgianguy> that's speedier, but requires much more in-depth coding
Nov 23 17:37:48 <belgianguy> canaux:
Nov 23 17:37:50 <belgianguy> sorry
Nov 23 17:38:02 <canaux> I don't really care about realtime because I don't need to have a "quick" reaction, I need to control the instant when the sound is eardable
Nov 23 17:38:28 <canaux> even if it is one second later
Nov 23 17:40:43 <belgianguy> well if the lag is a constant, you could compensate for that
Nov 23 17:41:03 <canaux> but is it constant ?
Nov 23 17:41:20 <belgianguy> given the wide array of Android hardware
Nov 23 17:41:25 <belgianguy> likely not
Nov 23 17:41:26 <canaux> does android guarranty it ??
Nov 23 17:41:57 <belgianguy> no guarantee
Nov 23 17:42:04 <belgianguy> you get what you paid for ;)
Nov 23 17:42:39 <canaux> is there a place where man can talk with android dev guys ?
Nov 23 17:43:37 <belgianguy> yeah
Nov 23 17:43:38 <belgianguy> here
Nov 23 17:43:45 <canaux> !!
Nov 23 17:44:13 <canaux> are YOU working for google ?
Nov 23 17:44:14 <belgianguy> the creators of Android are a bit busy I'm afraid
Nov 23 17:44:43 <belgianguy> but other hardened developers might provide you with valuable insight and code metrics
Nov 23 17:44:53 <belgianguy> I don't know what code metrics are
Nov 23 17:45:01 <belgianguy> but it sure sounds fancy
Nov 23 17:45:20 <belgianguy> tbh, I'd take a look at the NDK
Nov 23 17:45:34 <belgianguy> it'll be a better experience, neglible lag
Nov 23 17:45:48 <belgianguy> so you can worry about truly pressing issues
Nov 23 17:45:59 <canaux> you're from Belgium ? do you speak french ? (would be easier for me !!)
Nov 23 17:46:19 <belgianguy> no, je suis flamand, malheuresement
Nov 23 17:46:39 <belgianguy> there are French Canadians here sometimes
Nov 23 17:47:12 <canaux> no matter
Nov 23 17:47:39 <belgianguy> ndk in combination with OpenSL ES can be pretty powerful
Nov 23 17:47:50 <belgianguy> it's just that it takes a little of Java and C++
Nov 23 17:48:35 <augustl> anyone got an idea why I only get a green background here? http://pastie.org/5423987
Nov 23 17:48:51 <canaux> I'll have a look at it ...
Nov 23 17:49:53 <Reezz> Hey guys, I realize there's a lot of documentation out there on the subject. But how would one save a file in onSaveInstanceState. (The file is being written in another activity, but once the activity where I need the file resumes, the file is nullified.
Nov 23 17:49:58 <canaux> another question, is there a way to read simultanously several audio tracks of a same file and control  the volume of each track ?
Nov 23 17:53:04 <schizomera> several audio tracks from the same file?
Nov 23 17:53:57 <canaux> in containers like "mp4", you can embed several tracks (several langages for exemple)
Nov 23 18:34:49 <nocture> hey guys, when im launching an intend to take picture with camera, the orientation changes to the one used in the camera app when it returns to my activity - can someone telle me why ?
Nov 23 19:22:40 <gnychis> I am getting an error "Failed to find style 'mapViewStyle' in current theme" when trying to follow the Google Maps tutorial (https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/hello-mapview) ... this error is all over google but I have failed to find any solution that works for me.  I've tried setting my theme, I verified I have the theme, but no matter what I still get this error
Nov 23 19:28:23 <tophyr> i hate Box
Nov 23 19:28:25 <tophyr> so very much
Nov 23 19:29:03 <dblosevn> gnychis: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7371166/failed-to-find-style-mapviewstyle-in-current-theme last answer
Nov 23 19:29:51 <dblosevn> gnychis: sorry 3rd answer
Nov 23 19:30:49 <tophyr> public abstract void onEditFileRequested(Context context, OneCloudData oneCloud); // Box has requested that you modify an existing Box file. You should load UI for the user to modify the file.
Nov 23 19:31:32 <tophyr> because that's so much better than responding to an ACTION_EDIT intent, like the good creator intended
Nov 23 19:32:50 <gnychis> dblosevn: the one by sharma_kunal?
Nov 23 19:33:54 <dblosevn> gnychis: Track Ruler
Nov 23 19:34:40 <dblosevn> gnychis: the one by Michael Reed will probally make the error go away but I dont know if the mapview will actually work or not
Nov 23 19:36:02 <gnychis> dblosevn: I don't get it though, Track Ruler is suggesting that the Theme I've selected is not available and then tells me how to select my Theme.  But I am using an available theme:  Theme.Black
Nov 23 19:36:54 <dblosevn> gnychis: what sdk are you targeting
Nov 23 19:38:23 <gnychis> hmmm, project.properties has: "target=Google Inc.:Google APIs:16" and AndroidManifest.xml has "<uses-sdk android:targetSdkVersion="10" android:minSdkVersion="10"/>"
Nov 23 19:40:50 <dblosevn> change your targets to api 16
Nov 23 19:42:23 <marrrk> Hello! I would like to program a custom lock screen. Is that even possible without a custom rom?
Nov 23 19:42:46 <Maurits_> nein
Nov 23 19:43:48 <marrrk> warum nicht?
Nov 23 19:44:10 <dblosevn> gnychis: sorry, its not the min and max targets you need your avd to target Google Inc.:Google APIs:16
Nov 23 19:44:58 <dblosevn> gnychis: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/hello-mapview in the blue info box
Nov 23 19:45:36 <gnychis> dblosevn: k still trying it out, BTW - if I launch the application the mapview does come up despite this error
Nov 23 19:45:41 <tophyr> marrrk: the lock screen is part of the rom, for obvious security reasons. with 4.2 you can create a widget that the lockscreen will display.. but you still can't change it.
Nov 23 19:45:56 <Hathcox> hey guys, I was wondering how many Android applications I can sell under one Google Account? Is there a limit?
Nov 23 19:46:33 <marrrk> tophyr: what are the obvious security reasons? that an app could lock the user out?
Nov 23 19:46:47 <gnychis> dblosevn: so, I do have it setup to use the Google APIs, but is the AVD necessary if I'm using a real Android device?
Nov 23 19:47:11 <dblosevn> hmm
Nov 23 19:47:24 <dblosevn> gnychis: so the mapview works?
Nov 23 19:47:49 <gnychis> dblosevn: i mean, it works when I launch the application but it's broken in the eclipse preview and gives me this error which blocks me from making other modifications to the layout
Nov 23 19:48:06 <tophyr> marrrk: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/android-platform/lock$20screen/android-platform/ltrltRLLIDs/4M17wf-Ur98J
Nov 23 19:48:07 <dblosevn> gnychis: if so http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7371166/failed-to-find-style-mapviewstyle-in-current-theme use Michael Reed's solution
Nov 23 19:48:09 <marrrk> then what about a lock screen that comes after the actual lockscreen?
Nov 23 19:48:10 <marrrk> thanks
Nov 23 19:48:30 <dblosevn> and the eclipse error will go away
Nov 23 19:48:36 <gnychis> dblosevn: thanks a bunch for trying to help me solve this, btw
Nov 23 19:48:47 <dblosevn> gnychis: np
Nov 23 19:49:19 <gnychis> dblosevn: yeah I saw and tried that :(  is that in res/values/styles.xml ?
Nov 23 19:49:50 <gnychis> dblosevn: this is what my res/values/styles.xml looks like: http://pastebin.com/dpVK0XJj
Nov 23 19:50:00 <dblosevn> yes and make sure to make the second change as well
Nov 23 19:50:39 <dblosevn> gnychis: style="@style/mapView"
Nov 23 19:50:48 <dblosevn> in the layout declaration
Nov 23 19:52:03 <gnychis> crap, I had missed that before but it doesn't seem to solve it
Nov 23 19:52:24 <gnychis> man this is driving me nuts
Nov 23 19:53:13 <dblosevn> lol, let me smoke a cig and ill build the dmn thing lmao
Nov 23 19:53:18 <gnychis> hahaha
Nov 23 19:53:21 <gnychis> thanks bud...
Nov 23 19:53:31 <gnychis> i'm going insane on this
Nov 23 20:17:44 <dblosevn> gnychis: lol i figured it out
Nov 23 20:18:13 <dblosevn> gnychis: mapview is a control not a layout doh
Nov 23 20:18:40 <dblosevn> gnychis: throw the mapview in a relative layout and the error will go away
Nov 23 20:20:23 <gnychis> oh shit
Nov 23 20:20:25 <gnychis> ok hang on
Nov 23 20:20:30 <dblosevn> gnychis: http://pastebin.com/4ZpbpjwF
Nov 23 20:21:40 <gnychis> wtf, still doesn't work for me
Nov 23 20:21:47 <gnychis> can you zip up your project?
Nov 23 20:21:50 <dblosevn> ya
Nov 23 20:21:55 <dblosevn> sec
Nov 23 20:22:19 <gnychis> thanks!
Nov 23 20:22:42 <dblosevn> grr
Nov 23 20:22:49 <dblosevn> it went away until i saved the layout
Nov 23 20:22:56 <dblosevn> then it came right back
Nov 23 20:23:19 <gnychis> hahaha
Nov 23 20:23:41 <gnychis> deadly error, deadly...
Nov 23 20:36:32 <gnychis> dblosevn: it's hopeless i guess
Nov 23 20:36:51 <dblosevn> gnychis: ya I cant even get the project to run so far
Nov 23 20:42:59 <gnychis> dblosevn: don't worry about it, thanks a bunch for the help though
Nov 23 20:47:04 <docmur> I used the keytool to generate a key and then used Intellij to sign my release app, it seems to have gone sucessfully but is there something I can run to see if it was successful?
Nov 23 20:47:14 <docmur> Or sorry that the app is actually signed?
Nov 23 20:47:43 <adq> yes
Nov 23 20:47:45 <adq> http://developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html
Nov 23 20:47:58 <dblosevn> gnychis: ya I finally got it to build but it still throws that error
Nov 23 20:48:16 <adq> docmur, jarsigner -verify my_signed.apk
Nov 23 20:55:40 <dblosevn> gnychis: I think the issue is that, if you look in your toolbar and click the "Custom & library views" header MapView is not there
Nov 23 20:57:00 <gnychis> that is probably it
Nov 23 20:58:11 <docmur> It says jar verified Warning: This jar contains entires who certificate chain is not validated
Nov 23 20:58:21 <docmur> is that safe?
Nov 23 21:05:32 <docmur> Nevermind had to provide the keystore directly
Nov 23 21:14:06 <augustl> anyone know why this code only outputs a red box filling the entire app, and no text view or blue 50x50 box? http://pastie.org/5424725
Nov 23 21:14:56 <adq> augustl, i think it's related to layout weight
Nov 23 21:15:35 <augustl> figured it out, the onLayout method that eclipse added caused it
Nov 23 21:15:45 <augustl> I removed it and it works. I guess I should call super in it
Nov 23 21:24:51 <DrDuck> My IDE can't seem to find my device when trying to run my application. To my knowledge, all of the following: http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html#setting-up. Does the SDK for your device need to be installed?
Nov 23 21:28:48 <DrDuck> Hmm even still upon installing the SDK for my device's version (2.3.3) and creating a new project, I still can not get my device to be found.
Nov 23 21:32:45 <dblosevn> hmm this is probally not posible :-( but is there anyway I can make an image expand its height if the text over it gets taller?
Nov 23 21:33:05 <Bryden> DrDuck: Is your device set to allow debugging?
Nov 23 21:33:45 <Sicp> so I've got my widget and I've got it set to be configurable upon adding it to the home screen. What I want now is to be able to configure it on demand
Nov 23 21:35:01 <Bryden> dbloseven: Maybe. Maybe a if statement that if the height and width values for the text changes or is over a certain amount, that the width and height values for the image get changed.
Nov 23 21:36:30 <DrDuck> Bryden: Indeed it is.
Nov 23 21:37:03 <dblosevn> Bryden: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4f01o0h275txv4r/Example.png
Nov 23 21:37:30 <DrDuck> Upon following those steps I linked along with running 'adb devices', I can see that the device is apparently still not attached.
Nov 23 21:37:57 <dblosevn> also another question with this same textview, I want to make it 50% of parent width and cant seem to make that happen
Nov 23 21:38:20 <Bryden> dblosevn: Are you using Java?
Nov 23 21:38:40 <dblosevn> Bryden: yes eclipse
Nov 23 21:39:21 <Bryden> DrDuck: One of those silly questions, but is your computer/laptop recognizing your device?
Nov 23 21:39:33 <dblosevn> the dark area in the middle, is a seperate imageview
Nov 23 21:39:43 <dblosevn> overlayed over the background
Nov 23 21:41:22 <Bryden> dblosevn: Maybe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6712142/android-stretch-layout-heights-so-that-layout-takes-up-50-of-screen
Nov 23 21:41:25 <dblosevn> this is fine for english but im concerned that other languages might have the behavior in my screen shot
Nov 23 21:41:50 <DrDuck> Bryden: It is not upon using the command './adb devices'. I'm prompted with the list of devices attached being: '????????????	no permissions'.
Nov 23 21:42:18 <Bryden> DrDuck: Are you using an elevated prompt?
Nov 23 21:42:37 <DrDuck> Bryden: I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.
Nov 23 21:42:41 <SimonVT> Did you set up udev rules?
Nov 23 21:43:03 <dblosevn> no such luck on making the elements over the imageview be children of image view huh?
Nov 23 21:43:24 <Bryden> DrDuck: Are you using Windows? Which version?
Nov 23 21:43:43 <dblosevn> i would assume not @DrDuck hence ./adb
Nov 23 21:44:02 <dblosevn> *@ Bryden
Nov 23 21:44:13 <DrDuck> SimonVT: If by setup udev rules, you mean create a file called  /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules and fill in the proper information, yes.
Nov 23 21:44:26 <DrDuck> Bryden: No. Only using Lubuntu.
Nov 23 21:44:35 <SimonVT> it shouldn't say ??????? no permission if you filled in the proper information tho
Nov 23 21:44:40 <Sicp> true
Nov 23 21:44:46 <Bryden> DrDuck: Try using sudo or su first.
Nov 23 21:44:50 <Sicp> I am also on Ubuntu and I have this fixed
Nov 23 21:46:28 <dblosevn> Bryden: I wonder if I wrap the image view in a relative layout, set the relative layout height to wrap_content the imageview height to match_parent if that would work?
Nov 23 21:46:52 <Bryden> dblosevn: Try it.
Nov 23 21:46:55 <calamari> hi. I'm curious if there is a site that has example layouts where I can look at the xml. I've been trying to create the classic texting layout (scrollable text on top, one line edit on bottom). I've had various successes with different approaches but nothing works 100% right
Nov 23 21:47:22 <DrDuck> Bryden: Yes, I've done so. Still no luck.
Nov 23 21:47:58 <Sicp> SimonVT, any input on my question above? "so I've got my widget and I've got it set to be configurable upon adding it to the home screen. What I want now is to be able to configure it on demand"
Nov 23 21:48:27 <SimonVT> Intent i = new Intent(this, YourActivity.class); startActivity(i);
Nov 23 21:49:08 <SimonVT> Or use a PendingIntent if you want to start it from a click on your widget
Nov 23 21:49:19 <SimonVT> Then just update the widget once the user is done configuring it
Nov 23 21:50:10 <Sicp> that is what I'm doing, but I can only get to the Configure part whenever I have newly added the widget to my home screen, I cannot access it again by clicking on the widget itself because that action is reserved for the widgets...main action
Nov 23 21:50:23 <Sicp> nor can I longpress since that means moving/deleting
Nov 23 21:50:51 <SimonVT> Add a configure button.. Or do it from your app
Nov 23 21:51:10 <Sicp> a configure button
Nov 23 21:51:25 <SimonVT> To your widget
Nov 23 21:51:29 <Sicp> lol...sorry but it is obvious that I took this as boilerpate and no-brainer
Nov 23 21:51:36 <Sicp> sorry
Nov 23 21:52:01 <Sicp> the widget DOES have a layout after all....I can just add a button of course
Nov 23 21:52:59 <SimonVT> You seem to always feel kinda dumb after asking me a question :p
Nov 23 21:53:27 <Chainfire> Shame on you, making this poor guy feel dumb.
Nov 23 21:53:41 <SimonVT> :(
Nov 23 21:53:45 <dblosevn> Bryden: that almost worked I just have to remove the transparency from the top and bottom of the image
Nov 23 21:53:46 <Chainfire> :P
Nov 23 21:53:55 <Sicp> lol true
Nov 23 21:54:06 <Sicp> cause I ask too quickly
Nov 23 21:54:08 <calamari> ooh I think I stumbled onto a solution
Nov 23 21:54:14 <Sicp> I don't sit there and think
Nov 23 21:54:29 <calamari> set the edittext to weight 0 and the scrollview to weight 1
Nov 23 21:56:32 <Bryden> Part of the value of asking is that it tends to help one focus into more usable words that can help to inspire realization or lead to an usable result. :)
Nov 23 21:58:19 <Sicp> true, sometimes I figure it out while trying to formalize the question so that the read would understand
Nov 23 22:00:19 <DrDuck> Bryden: Any other ideas of what the issue could be? xD
Nov 23 22:00:25 <Ankhwatcher> My service displays notifications and reads them out using the TTS engine. If I stop my service too soon after starting it it will close my TextToSpeech object before it is finished initializing and it will leak. What can I do to stop this from happening?
Nov 23 22:08:08 <Bryden> DrDuck: Trying to think. Do you have another computer or laptop you can test with your device?
Nov 23 22:08:17 <Sicp> alright, isn't this the way to implement a "Start the Configuration activity when I click this button"? http://pastie.org/5424924
Nov 23 22:09:50 <Sicp> the button is dead and LogCat is having silence-before-the-storm
Nov 23 22:10:36 <DrDuck> Bryden: I do not at the moment, but I will test it on another computer later today or tomorrow when I get back home. Hopefully the issue is as simple as that.
Nov 23 22:10:48 <SimonVT> Looks about right
Nov 23 22:11:36 <SimonVT> Protip: you want to let the configure activity know which app widget it's configuring
Nov 23 22:12:00 <Sicp> yes, over there I've grabbed the widgetID from the bundle
Nov 23 22:12:34 <SimonVT> You're not putting any widgetid in that intent tho
Nov 23 22:12:37 <SimonVT> Pretty sure you have to
Nov 23 22:12:55 <SimonVT> Anyway, it should click
Nov 23 22:13:14 <SimonVT> Set a selector as background on the view you're clicking, so you can see it's actually being clicked
Nov 23 22:13:59 <SimonVT> Why are you calling your app widgets layout activity_main?
Nov 23 22:14:54 <psYchotic> a good evening to one and all
Nov 23 22:15:11 <Sicp> there's something critical that's missing
Nov 23 22:15:42 <Sicp> Configure.java has nothing to do with this, it does not need to be aware of who wants to start it, it just gets started and there it is
Nov 23 22:16:28 <SimonVT> it needs to know which app widget instance is starting it
Nov 23 22:16:47 <SimonVT> Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with the button being clickable
Nov 23 22:16:58 <Sicp> dude it's in onUpdate
Nov 23 22:17:10 <psYchotic> I'm having some trouble: it appears that, when inflating a layout, I sometimes get the exact same instance of a ProgressBar, which is causing some problems. Is this something someone here has ever seen?
Nov 23 22:17:49 <SimonVT> Your user could have added 3 of the same widget
Nov 23 22:17:59 <SimonVT> Your intent contains no information about which widget was clicked
Nov 23 22:18:08 <SimonVT> as in, which widget to configure
Nov 23 22:18:33 <Sicp> but I have that for loop that uses the ID from the widgetIds
Nov 23 22:18:51 <SimonVT> That id isn't magically added to your intent
Nov 23 22:19:17 <SimonVT> Android adds that for you when it launches the configure activity as part of adding the widget, but now you're doing it manually
Nov 23 22:19:35 <Sicp> it must be in AppWidgetManager's constants
Nov 23 22:22:10 <SimonVT> The what?
Nov 23 22:22:29 <Sicp> I have no idea
Nov 23 22:23:34 <SimonVT> launchConfiguration.putExtra(AppWidgetManager.EXTRA_APPWIDGET_ID, appWidgetID); is all I'm saying
Nov 23 22:24:07 <Sicp> AppWidgetManager.EXTRA_APPWIDGET_ID <-- <Sicp> it must be in AppWidgetManager's constants
Nov 23 22:24:43 <SimonVT> EXTRA_APPWIDGET_ID is just a key
Nov 23 22:24:47 <SimonVT> Someone needs to add the value
Nov 23 22:24:50 <SimonVT> That someone is you
Nov 23 22:26:14 <Sicp> AHA!!
Nov 23 22:26:43 <Sicp> so that stupid Bundle.getExtras() that I've placed inside Configure can actually HAVE an idea who its caller widget is!
Nov 23 22:27:03 <SimonVT> Well, yeah :p
Nov 23 22:27:23 <Sicp> I've placed it there without thinking, it wasn't needed before because this is a new scenario that I want now, to be able to go back to Configure again
Nov 23 22:27:24 <adq> funny: when you try to unpublish a paid app where the india (new) price is not set, you got: <<The application could not be saved. Please check the form for errors.>>
Nov 23 22:27:29 <adq> :-)
Nov 23 22:28:10 <SimonVT> You need it the moment you add a configuration activity
Nov 23 22:28:20 <SimonVT> Since, as I said, the user could have several instance of your widget added
Nov 23 22:28:47 <Sicp> and nowwwwwww the button doesn't work
Nov 23 22:28:47 <Sicp> haha
Nov 23 22:28:57 <Sicp> but that's at least one thing out of the way
Nov 23 22:29:02 <Sicp> right, the manifest
Nov 23 22:29:12 <Sicp> no the manifest's fine
Nov 23 22:29:58 <SimonVT> I really don't like your naming in that pastebin
Nov 23 22:30:47 <Sicp> why not?
Nov 23 22:31:06 <SimonVT> public class MainActivity extends AppWidgetProvider
Nov 23 22:31:22 <Sicp> it isn't really an activity..yea
Nov 23 22:31:23 <Sicp> lol
Nov 23 22:32:24 <SimonVT> Anyway, add a selector as the buttons background
Nov 23 22:32:28 <SimonVT> So it changes color when it's clicked
Nov 23 22:32:39 <SimonVT> Then you at least know it's clickable
Nov 23 22:35:17 <psYchotic> oh god, I'm an idiot: I failed to comprehend the full meaning of "root" in getRootView() =(
Nov 23 22:36:07 <Sicp> it is changing color
Nov 23 22:37:54 <SimonVT> I think you need to Intent.setUri as well
Nov 23 22:37:54 <SimonVT> Sec
Nov 23 22:39:17 <SimonVT> https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-advandroid/blob/master/AppWidget/LoremWidget/src/com/commonsware/android/appwidget/lorem/WidgetProvider.java#L35
Nov 23 22:39:24 <SimonVT> Commonsguy always delivers
Nov 23 22:39:46 <Sicp> the name is very familiar
Nov 23 22:45:06 <pierpark> Any of you guys ever had the experience of getting your AdSense/AdMob account disabled, then using your mom's/friends/etc. and have any issues? I got my AdSense account shut down from 3 test clicks, about 3 years ago. Should have read the policy. Anyway, been using mom's since. No issues. Just wanting to see if anyone else is in the same boat and had any issues?
Nov 23 22:46:44 <pierpark> I certainly take every precaution not to violate any policy, now that I am very familiar with them. I just thought I'd ask.
Nov 23 22:46:47 <arrnas> hey guys, i've made a custom imageview but whenever i try to use a method of the view even if its an empty method i get a null pointer crash with no way to debug it, any idea why its happening? i've added an entry to declare-styleable and made a constructor for the view with atributeSet. The view is in a fragment layout it that changes anything
Nov 23 22:47:10 <arrnas> entry to attrs.xml*
Nov 23 22:47:31 <pierpark> arrnas: Are you programatically adding the ImageView ?
Nov 23 22:47:39 <SimonVT> No way to debug it? You have a stacktrace with a line number that tells you where the NPE is
Nov 23 22:47:50 <augustl> what happens if I add a bunch of subviews to a ViewGroup in a for loop? On iOS, rendering is deferred until the next tick in the main thread loop, so adding views in for loops does not cause one render per iteration in the loop, like web browsers typically does.
Nov 23 22:48:16 <SimonVT> Same thing
Nov 23 22:48:38 <arrnas> the imageView is in a fragment layout xml file
Nov 23 22:48:46 <DrDuck> Bryden: It's working now!
Nov 23 22:48:49 <SimonVT> Your views are invalidated (basically, a flag is set), but rendering doesn't happen until some time in the future
Nov 23 22:48:56 <augustl> SimonVT: cool, thanks!
Nov 23 22:49:06 <augustl> sounds very similar to iOS (views has a needs redraw type thing)
Nov 23 22:49:07 <pierpark> arrnas: Ok, where are you trying to access it? Are you using a findViewById(R.id.yourImageViewId) ?
Nov 23 22:49:30 <arrnas> im trying to access it from the onCreateView method of the fragment
Nov 23 22:49:47 <arrnas> and using findViewByID
Nov 23 22:49:55 <arrnas> the findView works
Nov 23 22:50:04 <arrnas> but crashes when i try to do anything with the variable
Nov 23 22:50:09 <pierpark> arrnas: Try putting v.findViewById then.
Nov 23 22:50:16 <arrnas> thats what im doing
Nov 23 22:50:19 <SimonVT> So your findViewById returns null
Nov 23 22:50:24 <SimonVT> As in, your view wasn't found
Nov 23 22:50:30 <pierpark> Exactly.
Nov 23 22:50:33 <pierpark> Pastebin the code?
Nov 23 22:51:27 <pierpark> There could be 10,000 reasons. Is the XML you've put the ImageView in, actually the SetContentView layout? If you just have it stuck in an XML file and trying to access it without it being loaded up, it isn't going to work.
Nov 23 22:53:54 <pierpark> So if your .java file says: SetContentView(R.layout.XmlYouHaveImageViewIn), and you're trying to define it from the OnCreate, it would be: ImageView myPic = (ImageView)findViewById(R.id.myImageViewId);
Nov 23 22:54:19 <SimonVT> And if you're trying to use activity methods in a fragment, that's even more wrong
Nov 23 22:54:46 <pierpark> And it _will_ work. But if you're trying to grab it up from another thread, an adapter, etc., you're going to have to show us the code. Otherwise, it's a shot in the dark with what you've told us so far.
Nov 23 22:55:11 <arrnas> its the current contentView, i had an imageView there and it worked fine, now i changed the imageView to my new GifDecoderView, at first i was having noSuchClass exceptions when it crashed
Nov 23 22:55:19 <arrnas> now
Nov 23 22:55:29 <arrnas> the xml file
Nov 23 22:55:36 <arrnas> is empty on the graphical view
Nov 23 22:56:04 <pierpark> I'm not sure what GifDecoderView is, but you won't be able to use ImageView if it's not an image view.
Nov 23 22:56:17 <arrnas> it extends ImageView
Nov 23 22:56:18 <Bryden> DrDuck: That's great. Any idea why it started working?
Nov 23 22:56:41 <arrnas> if i create the view programatically it works
Nov 23 22:56:53 <arrnas> as in create a new view from the main activity
Nov 23 22:57:33 <arrnas> so im not sure what im doing wrong in xml, i've added an entry to attrs.xml
Nov 23 22:57:49 <pierpark> Going to have to step back on this one. I wouldn't be able to help without seeing your code. Not enough information to go on. Good luck. Maybe SimonVT can give you a hand, if you show him the code.
Nov 23 22:57:58 <thibauts> Hi. Do you know of a document that would teach me the main concepts of android dev : system architecture / components, app interactions with the system (contact points, interfaces), basic java concepts useful for efficient and proper dev on android platform ... knowing that i'm quite experienced in a good bunch of languages (but not java) and platforms (around 10+ years dev). Thanks a lot :)
Nov 23 22:58:40 <pierpark> thibauts: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fundamentals.html
Nov 23 23:00:27 <pragma-> oh yeah, unboxing my new 32gb nexus 7 with hspa+ right now
Nov 23 23:00:54 <pierpark> lucky.
Nov 23 23:02:55 <leslie> nice, pragma-
Nov 23 23:03:09 <pragma-> arrived only 2 days after ordering -- speedy!
Nov 23 23:03:28 <DrDuck> Bryden: I mistyped the ATTR field in the .rules file.
Nov 23 23:03:47 <pragma-> and I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but my phone decided to die after I placed the order
Nov 23 23:04:15 <pragma-> screen won't come on any longer
Nov 23 23:04:31 <leslie> what phone?
Nov 23 23:04:45 <pragma-> mytouch 3g slide
Nov 23 23:04:55 <pragma-> known to have a defect in the cable
Nov 23 23:05:03 <pragma-> the screen ribbon cable thing
Nov 23 23:05:08 <DrDuck> Bryden: Would you know of what direction to point me in to find out how to make more than one target, such as Android 4.2, an option for emulation. A target I would like to have is Android 2.3.3, but I'm unsure of how to make that possible.
Nov 23 23:05:13 <leslie> oh ok. clearly it's the Gods telling you to get a Nexus 4 too
Nov 23 23:05:26 <pragma-> i fully intend to use this nexus 7 as my new phone
Nov 23 23:05:37 <pragma-> gonna rub it in the galaxy note owners' faces
Nov 23 23:05:40 <leslie> voip?
Nov 23 23:05:53 <arrnas> well if anyone is still interested http://pastebin.com/azJJRKsg
Nov 23 23:06:26 <pragma-> it has hspa+
Nov 23 23:07:10 <SpeedEvil> pragma-: nexus 10. go full retard.
Nov 23 23:07:13 <jasta> hehe what, smali is in aosp?
Nov 23 23:07:25 <pragma-> too big
Nov 23 23:07:29 <pragma-> too expensive too
Nov 23 23:07:32 <leslie> I thought the hspa+ was just for data, not calls
Nov 23 23:07:44 <leslie> does that mean you can send SMS from 3g Nexus 7?
Nov 23 23:08:03 <mrenouf> youre not going to be able to make calls from the Nexus 7
Nov 23 23:08:19 <leslie> right. that's what I thought
Nov 23 23:08:24 <mrenouf> at least not as a voice call over the cell network
Nov 23 23:08:37 <pragma-> why wouldn't i be able to send sms?  it has hspa+ and a sim card
Nov 23 23:08:44 <pragma-> it's mobile.
Nov 23 23:08:54 <mrenouf> I didn't say sms, I said make calls.
Nov 23 23:09:04 <leslie> I said sms. but I'm pretty sure you can't
Nov 23 23:09:06 <pragma-> why wouldn't it be able to make calls either?
Nov 23 23:09:12 <pragma-> it has a speaker and a microphone
Nov 23 23:09:18 <Bryden> DrDuck: Maybe http://www.ulrich-scheller.de/2011/10/multiple-targets-from-one-android-source-the-better-way/ or http://ifdefined.com/blog/post/How-to-publish-your-Android-app-for-multiple-Android-SDK-versions.aspx
Nov 23 23:09:35 <leslie> the software doesn't support it
Nov 23 23:09:47 <pragma-> i can flash cyanogenmod
Nov 23 23:10:03 <mrenouf> the radio doesn't support it
Nov 23 23:10:09 <pragma-> lies
Nov 23 23:11:46 <Sicp> dude, this is seriously becoming insane!
Nov 23 23:12:00 <Sicp> my code is the same as everyone else's code and that button won't budge
Nov 23 23:12:01 <leslie> what is?
Nov 23 23:12:25 <Sicp> it's even like in the Android docs
Nov 23 23:13:26 <arrnas> oh boy, if anyone's interested : when making a custom view the constructor not only needs to have the parameters (Context context, AttributeSet attrs) but also to pass them on with super(context,attrs)
Nov 23 23:13:46 <leslie> makes sense, arrnas
Nov 23 23:15:34 <arrnas> and the result of it working is a memory leak that also shows gifs...
Nov 23 23:17:28 <mrenouf> arrnas, yep
Nov 23 23:17:45 <mrenouf> how else do you think those parameters can be used?
Nov 23 23:20:06 <arrnas> im probably getting used the the whole java ide thing where it tells you everything, actually its weird that it didn't give a warning that i wasn't using a parameter for anything
Nov 23 23:22:09 <SimonVT> No, that wasn't the issue. it might just have forced a recompile, fixing any stale id's or something.. Cleaning the project would have done the same
Nov 23 23:23:02 <SimonVT> If there was an issue with your constructors, you'd have gotten the error when you inflated the layout
Nov 23 23:23:18 <leslie> same reason you have to call super in onCreate, etc
Nov 23 23:23:21 <SimonVT> But yeah, you should pass them in super anyway
Nov 23 23:24:10 <mrenouf> SimonVT, not if he overloaded View(Context, int, int) and called super(Context)
Nov 23 23:24:25 <mrenouf> but that's nothing to do with the issue he's having I guess
Nov 23 23:24:31 <SimonVT> That wouldn't fail
Nov 23 23:24:35 <SimonVT> It's perfectly valid
Nov 23 23:25:29 <SimonVT> Or well, View(Context, int, int) doesn't exist, but other than that
Nov 23 23:26:02 <SimonVT> You don't have to pass the attributeset to the parent, you're just ignoring any attributes set in the xml (that the parent would otherwise handle)
Nov 23 23:26:03 <mrenouf> sorry, View(Context, attrs, int, int)
Nov 23 23:26:43 <mrenouf> right
Nov 23 23:28:23 <Sicp> so I relied on the default change of color Button behavior and I didn't put a selector to find out if the button was actually clickable or not, sue me!
Nov 23 23:28:54 <Sicp> I set the button to go to a URL, which works fine for the widget itself, the button did not go anywhere
Nov 23 23:28:57 <Sicp> it is not clickable
Nov 23 23:29:04 <SimonVT> Buttons background is a selector
Nov 23 23:31:53 <Sicp> I tried every possible combination of the code I had, the one in the docs and the commonsguy code :P
Nov 23 23:31:59 <Sicp> it's the button that is not responding
Nov 23 23:33:08 <Sicp> I just went to Configure.java and instead of setting the stuff I need for imageView (the widget itself) i set them for button1
Nov 23 23:33:11 <Sicp> the button now works..
Nov 23 23:33:53 <Sicp> I think I'm going to route it back to itself, right from Configure :P
Nov 23 23:55:44 <Sicp> it works
Nov 23 23:56:22 <Sicp> and it was all because of this fucking cursed line that I took off of the boilerplate feed-me-the-info-cause-I'm-fucking-lazy code, android:configure="com.example.test_widget.Configure"
Nov 23 23:56:59 <Sicp> fires up whenever the widget is first added, the code for the Widget itself is never reached
Nov 24 00:41:40 <RustyShackleford> is it easier to port an android app to iPhone or vice versa?
Nov 24 00:41:46 <RustyShackleford> or not at all?
Nov 24 00:41:56 <RustyShackleford> they seem like quite different platforms
Nov 24 00:43:24 <[deXter]> RustyShackleford, they are >_>
Nov 24 00:51:10 <dblosevn> is there a simple way to change the transition between activitys?
Nov 24 00:51:27 <dblosevn> eg if i wanted the screen to slide or flip etc
Nov 24 00:52:01 <Dahliz91> I want to use the BackupAgent to backup a xml-file. How should I do to backup/restore that file. I think I understand how to backup but not restore it again.
Nov 24 00:56:12 <FernandoMiguel> didng google made an app to help port android apps to iOS?
Nov 24 00:59:32 <Bryden> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-tool-helps-developers-port-android-apps-to-ios/
Nov 24 01:06:50 <\monster\> hey guys, when creating a DialogFragment from within a Fragment whats the proper way to make the host fragment act as a listener of events for the dialog fragment
Nov 24 01:07:16 <\monster\> if I pass the reference to the dialog when its created ..it gets removed when config change occurs
Nov 24 01:31:21 <\monster\> nevermind, figured it out
Nov 24 01:32:24 <gnychis> I am trying to set the height of something of a MapView to fill_parent minus some value.  How do I get the value of what height would be if it used fill_parent?  If I use fill_parent in the XML specification, height is read from getLayoutParams as -1
Nov 24 01:33:17 <gnychis> ahhh dumb me, just use marginBottom
Nov 24 01:47:20 <jhutson456_> what is the newest "stable" branch of JB? Not the tagged 4.2_r1 and not master, the branch in the middle
Nov 24 01:53:07 <Komak57> So, I decided to try and fiddle with my MessageListAdapter again, and add in a MMS Download layout return type. I've bumped up getViewTypeCount(), added the extra handling to getItemViewType(int position), and placed it in getView(). The o.Image just isn't being returned. This still occurs when I try View v = null;
Nov 24 02:16:05 <dblosevn> ok im lost... I made a layout that fits on a 7 inch screen, and set eclispe to 7 inch wxga nexus 7 I positioned and sized everything in dp
Nov 24 02:16:34 <dblosevn> If i switch to 7 inch wsvga (tablet) my whole interrface breaks
Nov 24 02:17:37 <dblosevn> I thought the point of dp's was they were density independant... if both screens are the same size but different resolutions they should display exactly the same should they not?
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