**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 03:00:19 2012
Dec 14 03:04:24 <wilornel> michael.... am I supposed to attach the object to the inflater?
Dec 14 03:07:51 <michaelnovakjr> wilornel: you have to read the documentation. the training section covers what to do.
Dec 14 03:07:59 <wilornel> Ima return the view
Dec 14 03:08:01 <wilornel> yeah
Dec 14 03:16:09 <bigmeow> hi all
Dec 14 03:30:04 <dopiwan_> so I downloaded the adt-bundle as opposed to installing the SDK from within Eclipse and I'm still not seeing the SDK Manager on the Window menu
Dec 14 03:31:57 <michaelnovakjr> dopiwan_: you can run it from the cmd line too, the tool is called `android` it is in the sdk zip in the tools dir.
Dec 14 03:32:43 <dopiwan_> woot ty!
Dec 14 03:42:19 <Brian|CS> Yo, can anyone help me out with AlarmManager?
Dec 14 03:45:01 <michaelnovakjr> Generally you just ask your question.
Dec 14 03:48:33 <Brian|CS> So like
Dec 14 03:48:34 <Brian|CS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1082437/android-alarmmanager
Dec 14 03:48:37 <Brian|CS> the answer in the second response
Dec 14 03:48:41 <Brian|CS> Trying to implement that
Dec 14 03:48:43 <Brian|CS> and its doing nothing
Dec 14 03:51:47 <capella> hmmm ... how do you respond to "I'm trying to do something and it doesn't work" :P I'd need more information ...
Dec 14 03:52:51 <michaelnovakjr> capella: +1
Dec 14 03:53:10 <capella> (trying to be diplomatic :) )
Dec 14 03:53:52 <Brian|CS> Well
Dec 14 03:53:55 <Brian|CS> The code given does nothing
Dec 14 03:53:59 <Brian|CS> And I don't know why
Dec 14 03:54:00 <Brian|CS> Lol
Dec 14 03:54:44 <capella> Does it compile?
Dec 14 03:54:46 <capella> Have you examined the logcat?
Dec 14 03:55:03 <Codhisattva> capella: this is diplomatic :) http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
Dec 14 03:56:03 <capella> What have you tried so far ?
Dec 14 03:56:05 <capella> What do suspect might be the problem?
Dec 14 03:56:13 <capella> codhisattva: :)
Dec 14 03:57:55 <capella> "AMan: screw this " ... LAUGHS!
Dec 14 03:58:10 <Codhisattva> capella: all too frequent
Dec 14 03:58:21 <capella> heh - yah
Dec 14 03:59:10 <capella> funny ... that's right when the channel gets reeeeeal quiet ... >shhhh ... we've all gone out to lunch <
Dec 14 03:59:12 <capella> >)
Dec 14 04:01:43 <capella> ...crickets...chirping....
Dec 14 04:02:11 * capella goes back to hating WIN8
Dec 14 04:06:11 <Brian|CS> capella: So this is essentially what i've down
Dec 14 04:06:12 <Brian|CS> http://pastebin.com/CbKmxpuK
Dec 14 04:07:41 <g00s> wow, only 406 in here
Dec 14 04:12:24 <capella> compare it to this and review the differences http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4459058/alarm-manager-example
Dec 14 04:14:30 <capella> .getApplicationContext() looks wrong but I havent used alarmmanager before - I think applicationcontext is not ever recommended
Dec 14 04:18:28 <Brian|CS> capella: Then how do I figure out the context to pass?
Dec 14 04:20:42 <capella> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7298731/when-to-call-activity-context-or-application-context
Dec 14 04:49:17 <Utoxin> I'm really starting to hate the UI design part of app development. Heh.
Dec 14 04:59:03 <offby1> most programmers feel that way.
Dec 14 04:59:07 <offby1> That's why most UIs suck.
Dec 14 04:59:36 <g00s> the ui/id/ux is my favorite part. doing it on android isn't
Dec 14 05:09:51 <Ologn> I'm trying out ec2 for the first time
Dec 14 05:10:31 <Ologn> That which killed my Unix sysadmin career...
Dec 14 05:15:48 <canadiancow> g00s lol
Dec 14 05:15:58 <canadiancow> i cant do UX at all
Dec 14 05:16:03 <canadiancow> i mean give me a design, and i can implement it no problem
Dec 14 05:16:09 <canadiancow> but coming up with the design...
Dec 14 05:17:18 <g00s> i find poking the android apis to make rich custom widgets / layouts to be the hardest part.
Dec 14 05:28:35 <canadiancow> g00s, is it easier to poke JakeWharton?
Dec 14 05:29:11 <g00s> hehe
Dec 14 05:29:35 * g00s gets out his ABS voodoo doll
Dec 14 05:33:48 <alex_PP> i love extending View
Dec 14 05:34:02 <alex_PP> as long as i can avoid touchevent
Dec 14 05:34:17 <alex_PP> get's my knickers in a twist
Dec 14 05:35:26 <k0nichiwa> coolest widget ive seen is the date time picker with spinning dials
Dec 14 05:35:53 <k0nichiwa> impressive i wouldnt hav ethought android had such good graphics performance using basic view subclassing and such
Dec 14 05:36:38 <k0nichiwa> i wonder how hard it is to deal with pinch to zoom and swipes im going to have to do that
Dec 14 05:45:15 <alex_PP> no too hard, but the documetation vlows
Dec 14 05:45:19 <alex_PP> *blows
Dec 14 05:47:30 <g00s> strange; google has put work into improving the doc website; but yeah the api docs are bad. i think it would have given android a boost if google had provided, a long time ago, a good and in-depth guide to writing rich custom interactive views and layouts, using advanced techniques like d'n'd and animations
Dec 14 06:00:29 <canadiancow> what's d'n'd
Dec 14 06:00:40 <g00s> drag and drop
Dec 14 06:01:04 <g00s> dungeons and dragons :D
Dec 14 06:21:53 <grundt> I've downloaded the 64-bit "ADT Bundle for Windows", but I can't seem to run a Nexus 7 AVD; I just get the boot logo forever, and it loops on an NPE followed by "Exit zygote because system server (315) has terminated", then back to square zero. I find a lot of reports of others with the same problem, but no one with a fix. Can someone steer me in the correct direction?
Dec 14 06:24:23 <g00s> wow, ibm succeeded in their nanophotonics stuff; putting optical pathways on a chip with silicon components
Dec 14 06:26:24 <g00s> grundt: whenever there is a problem, any problem, involving eclipse (no matter how tangential) the usual retort is to use intellij
Dec 14 06:27:30 <grundt> g00s: I actually have IntelliJ, and would be glad to use it, but I'm not using Eclipse at this juncture; I'm just trying to get the AVD to boot from the command-line, so I can remove one possible breakage point from the chain
Dec 14 06:27:46 <g00s> ooh
Dec 14 06:27:54 <g00s> well shit
Dec 14 06:28:34 <grundt> g00s: And I can start AVDs based on other device definitions, but any based on the "Google Nexus 7" definition just won't boot for me; I've tried multiple computers, all with >=12GB of RAM, 64-bit OS and 64-bit JDK
Dec 14 06:28:37 <g00s> the best i can recommend is trying teh various command line switches to the emu rurning on linux and qemu logginf
Dec 14 06:28:55 <g00s> *turning on
Dec 14 06:29:23 <grundt> g00s: have a URL handy that will cover those things? If not, I can google it myself, just thought you might know one off-hand.
Dec 14 06:29:50 <g00s> http://developer.android.com/tools/help/emulator.html
Dec 14 06:30:05 <g00s> for example, -verbose and stuff like that
Dec 14 06:30:28 <grundt> Thanks
Dec 14 06:30:49 <g00s> but it sounds like android is booting up, but something is busted at some very late stage
Dec 14 06:31:26 <grundt> yeah - the best I have so far is: *** FATAL EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS: android.server.ServerThread java.lang.NullPointerException at com.android.server.am.ActivityManagerService.showBootMessage(ActivityManagerService.java:4353) at com.android.server.ServerThread.run(SystemServer.java:389)
Dec 14 06:35:26 <g00s> i remember a long time ago, i had to start the emu with -noaudio or something like that - similar stuff would happen
Dec 14 06:40:06 <Utoxin> I think maybe I'm confused about something. If I create a 'layout-v11' folder, will it be used for anything v11 and up, or ONLY for v11?
Dec 14 06:42:41 * Utoxin goes poking through docs some more, and finds the reference. Why do I never manage to find them before asking the question. Oh well. For anyone else curious: Yes, 'layout-v11' means anything that supports v11, which includes v12 and beyond.
Dec 14 06:44:16 <n20> I have a ListView where I enforce the Contextual Actionbar upon longpress, however quick user tests show that they don't really figure out that they can longpress on a ListView row
Dec 14 06:45:20 <Utoxin> Hmmm. Not sure what a good solution is for that... does a regular click do anything?
Dec 14 06:46:17 <Utoxin> I assume yes. So... Hrm. Have a help screen that mentions it?
Dec 14 06:49:56 <n20> Utoxin: I should probably have a help screen for it. :)
Dec 14 06:50:40 * Utoxin eyes the clock, and his almost complete lack of UI progress tonight. UI is hard. *sigh* Wish I had a friend who was good at this part of it. ;)
Dec 14 06:51:36 <Utoxin> Trying to upgrade an old app of mine to support tablets properly, and make use of fragments and such. And having a heck of a time figuring out how to lay out the UI.
Dec 14 06:51:44 <Brian|CS> Utoxin: Me too lol
Dec 14 06:51:56 <Brian|CS> Never used fragments before
Dec 14 06:52:09 <Brian|CS> I've barely started android programming, so I figured now is a better time than ever to learn
Dec 14 06:52:19 <Utoxin> I think I've got fragments figured out finally. I'm disperately ignoring the stage where I have to figure out ContentProviders.
Dec 14 06:52:39 <Utoxin> desperately, even
Dec 14 06:53:19 <dragorn> you can cheat around them; there's some stuff on stackexchange about making alternate providers
Dec 14 06:53:29 <Utoxin> I spent a good chunk of the evening under the misconception that a version-specific layout folder only applied to that version, not to everything >= that version.
Dec 14 06:54:13 <Utoxin> dragorn: I'd rather do it right, and I'm sure I'll figure it out. I'm just postponing it by trying to figure out new UI. By the time I'm done beating my head on /this/ wall, that one will seem nice and soft.
Dec 14 06:54:26 <n20> Where do you guys think I should place my "Select all"? The user needs to select n (1-list.size()) rows to proceed to the next "screen".
Dec 14 06:54:28 <Brian|CS> I've got fragments pretty much down
Dec 14 06:54:52 <n20> Maybe the CAB wasn't such a good idea after all. :(
Dec 14 06:54:55 <g00s> Utoxin: Brian|CS: take the development survey and mention your difficulties
Dec 14 06:54:56 <Utoxin> n20: sounds action-bary
Dec 14 06:55:02 <Utoxin> g00s: I have. :)
Dec 14 06:55:05 <Brian|CS> g00s: Development survey?
Dec 14 06:55:12 <g00s> it shows up in the dev console
Dec 14 06:55:19 <g00s> maybe still on g+ post too
Dec 14 06:55:25 <Brian|CS> Ah.
Dec 14 06:55:29 <n20> Utoxin: Yeah, but I wonder if it goes as a regular menu item or CAB
Dec 14 06:55:59 <Utoxin> g00s: My problem isn't so much that I think they've done a bad job with the UI stuff. It's that I SUCK at UI design. I'm a backend coder. Have been for 12 years.
Dec 14 06:56:09 <g00s> ;)
Dec 14 06:56:30 <Utoxin> I'm having to train myself to think in whole new ways, and that takes time.
Dec 14 06:56:53 <Utoxin> Anyway... I think I'm calling it a night. Since there's only 4 minutes left in the day here.
Dec 14 06:57:03 <n20> Utoxin: Night!
Dec 14 06:57:26 <g00s> Utoxin: consider http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Mobile-Interfaces-Steven-Hoober/dp/1449394639
Dec 14 06:57:58 * Utoxin throws it on his wishlist.
Dec 14 06:58:12 <Utoxin> And... now I'm closing quassel. :)
Dec 14 07:01:32 <g00s> i love this response to "Android Design in Action: Sleep Monitors and Backward Compatibility"
Dec 14 07:01:47 <g00s> "I've fallen asleep waiting for the +Nexus 4"
Dec 14 07:02:50 <Brian|CS> I wish I could get  N4
Dec 14 07:02:51 <Brian|CS> :D
Dec 14 07:02:53 <Brian|CS> D;
Dec 14 07:02:56 <Brian|CS> Fucking verizon
Dec 14 07:02:58 <n20> Anyone want to take a stab at my issue? I have a list on which a click selects a row, but longpress pops a CAB with the option to select/deselect all list items.
Dec 14 07:03:24 * n20 doesn't have an issue, but an "issue".
Dec 14 07:03:46 <g00s> froyo doesn't have CAB, so :D
Dec 14 07:04:02 <n20> Via ABS?
Dec 14 07:04:06 <n20> I think
Dec 14 07:04:06 <n20> :D
Dec 14 07:04:15 <n20> Yup, worked in 2.2
Dec 14 07:07:24 <g00s> wow, someone wrote a book just on Fragments! http://www.amazon.com/Fragments-Penguin-Classics-English-Greek/dp/0142437654
Dec 14 07:09:01 <grundt> Well, to be fair, that "someone" was Heraclitus in the 6th century.
Dec 14 07:09:09 <g00s> :)
Dec 14 07:09:34 <g00s> "greek area guy"
Dec 14 07:11:52 <g00s> looks like Dell gave up on Android
Dec 14 07:12:40 <g00s> i dont remember them having any android devices :|
Dec 14 07:13:36 <Leeds> they had the first phablet, the streak - and they had a line of phones in China
Dec 14 07:13:57 <g00s> oh i thought the streak was an experiment
Dec 14 07:14:57 <p_l> g00s: there were few
Dec 14 07:15:22 <g00s> p_l: let me guess, you ported vms to all of them :D
Dec 14 07:15:27 <p_l> nah
Dec 14 07:15:40 <p_l> though I guess I could run SIMH-VAX on Android ;P
Dec 14 07:19:41 <deebo> bit offtopic but: are there any significant differences with the galaxy nexus sold by google or by samsung
Dec 14 07:19:55 <deebo> do both receive ota updates from google?
Dec 14 07:20:27 <p_l> deebo: with gnex, as long as it's not verizon, at worst you'll have to do a reflash once, AFAIK
Dec 14 07:20:48 <deebo> not verizon, european retail
Dec 14 07:21:08 <deebo> it has come down in price alot and would be a nice upgrade, but would have to buy the samsung version
Dec 14 07:22:14 <p_l> deebo: then at worst you'll have to reflash it once, afaik
Dec 14 07:22:21 <p_l> the hw is same, or so I recall
Dec 14 07:22:28 <g00s> wow, the google N1 is $180
Dec 14 07:22:34 <g00s> (on amazon)
Dec 14 07:22:35 <p_l> I went with N4, though gnex was cheaper and available on-hand
Dec 14 07:22:59 <deebo> n4 is almost double price compared to gnex here
Dec 14 07:23:04 <deebo> and i dont want the glass back phone
Dec 14 07:23:04 <alex_PP> the hong kong version gets updates from samsung as they added the Chinese keyboard
Dec 14 07:23:22 <Leeds> which sucks
Dec 14 07:23:59 <alex_PP> but all you need to do is reflash a google image from here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Dec 14 07:27:22 <Leeds> unless it's your girlfriend's phone, and she doesn't want you messing with it...
Dec 14 07:31:30 * g00s thinks Leeds messed up his gf's phone a few times
Dec 14 07:31:47 <Leeds> no, I've messed up my own - don't dare to mess up hers :)
Dec 14 07:37:32 <p_l> deebo: I'm getting a case later for it, but specs won for me
Dec 14 07:38:09 <p_l> if not for specs, I might have gone with SGS3, just for the physical home button
Dec 14 07:48:57 <superlinux-hp> Hi. how can i read the contents of an @array (string array) element/member?
Dec 14 07:49:26 <canadiancow> String[] myArray = getResources.getStringArray(R.array.something);
Dec 14 07:49:32 <superlinux-hp> i mean there is getString(string_id)... what would be the equivalent
Dec 14 07:49:50 <superlinux-hp> canadiancow, so that's it?
Dec 14 07:50:07 <superlinux-hp> aha ok
Dec 14 07:50:41 <canadiancow> all the resource methods are on the Resources class
Dec 14 07:50:52 <canadiancow> getString is just proxied into Context for covnenience
Dec 14 07:50:54 <superlinux-hp> yes! i understand
Dec 14 07:51:09 <superlinux-hp> i hate confusion
Dec 14 08:00:16 <canadiancow> gridlayout is pretty fancy
Dec 14 08:00:20 <canadiancow> im using it for the frist time :\
Dec 14 08:00:28 <canadiancow> except i just stuck >9000 views in one row
Dec 14 08:00:43 <squ> from action bar manual: "The easiest way to convey exactly what this entails is with an example."
Dec 14 08:21:37 <grundt> http://codepad.org/rTHqGtx3 - if anyone has an insight into why this won't boot, I'd appreciate it
Dec 14 09:29:27 <grundt> How do you mount a userdata.img to check what's in it?
Dec 14 09:32:57 <Gachl> grundt: you have to mount it as loopback device thing
Dec 14 09:33:09 <grundt> Gachl: Which filesystem?
Dec 14 09:33:21 <Gachl> loop
Dec 14 09:33:23 <Gachl> mount -o loop
Dec 14 09:33:45 <grundt> mount -o loop -t <XXX> userdata.img /mnt
Dec 14 09:33:50 <grundt> I'm looking for <XXX>
Dec 14 09:33:56 <Gachl> well you have to know that yourself
Dec 14 09:34:04 <Gachl> oh userdata errrm
Dec 14 09:34:11 <grundt> I didn't create userdata, it came from the SDK
Dec 14 09:34:39 <grundt> and, AFAICT, it's broken in the newer 4.2 SDK
Dec 14 09:34:55 <Gachl> I think you have to uncompress it first
Dec 14 09:35:22 <Gachl> let me think, it's was called something like blah2img
Dec 14 09:35:28 <Gachl> simg2img
Dec 14 09:35:44 <Gachl> yea that's it
Dec 14 09:36:06 <Gachl> simg2img and then mount the extracted file as ext4 I guess
Dec 14 09:36:35 <grundt> thanks
Dec 14 09:40:11 <rynkan> This support for the six-axis ps3-controlelr is awesome, wounder if the controller is patented to hell or if there can exist an dedicated android-clone of it
Dec 14 09:40:41 <jrockjiggz> is there a channel for kendoui ?
Dec 14 09:41:00 <jrockjiggz> or.. does anyone have experience with it?
Dec 14 09:41:54 <g00s> interesting because they mention android http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/13/stroustrup_on_c_plus_plus/
Dec 14 09:45:33 <rynkan> gave up on c++ a while ago
Dec 14 09:46:09 <g00s> even stroustrup doesn't like macros :)
Dec 14 09:49:57 <rynkan> Can you tempoarly kill the GC in android?
Dec 14 09:50:05 <rynkan> or suspend
Dec 14 09:51:20 <g00s> rynkan: yes, use c++
Dec 14 09:51:23 <g00s> XD
Dec 14 09:51:27 <rynkan> :)
Dec 14 09:51:44 <rynkan> C++ is to "free" for me
Dec 14 09:52:07 <rynkan> Like being in a box where the monsters cant get me
Dec 14 09:52:11 <g00s> new and free go together ;)
Dec 14 09:53:01 <rynkan> But i relly need to learn ndk-development
Dec 14 09:53:18 <rynkan> really*
Dec 14 10:03:32 <hpe> I have a Switch button. When the user is not connected to the internet I want to make it impossible to click this button (setClickable(false)) and show an error message. Any ideas how?
Dec 14 10:03:39 <hpe> Set onCheckedChangeListener is invoked _after_ the switch has been checked
Dec 14 10:03:45 <hpe> the same with set onClickListener
Dec 14 10:03:52 <hpe> and onTouchEvent causes indesirable effects as it registers multiple touch events
Dec 14 10:27:03 <EvOox-> hello guys
Dec 14 10:28:12 <EvOox-> Here my problem, I have start to work on my android project 5 months ago. Is it a good idea to make it open source to get some contributors ?
Dec 14 10:29:02 <EvOox-> is it easy to get contributors ?
Dec 14 10:31:54 <baptistem> EvOox-: Open source project are a good things, it can help to keep your project alive but it require a few things such as well-commented code, VSC (git / subversion ... )
Dec 14 10:33:02 <baptistem> EvOox-: for the contributors it depend of the project, and on the tools you provide, if you just give a git without any thing else it will be hard to work sometime, if you provide wiki+git+bugreport+mailing list it will be very easy
Dec 14 10:34:30 <g00s> EvOox-: read http://producingoss.com/ , its free
Dec 14 10:39:27 <squ> I'm missing something with actionBar, when I click on a logo, onOptionsItemSelected is not called
Dec 14 10:40:02 <squ> as its written here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/actionbar.html#Home
Dec 14 10:53:15 <brickhead> squ: I hope the logo is from one of the items in the optionsmenu
Dec 14 10:57:03 <obscurant1st> Can any one please tell me how can I update the facebook sdk for android?
Dec 14 10:58:27 <timroes> squ : getSupportActionBar().setHomeButtonEnabled(true) // if you use ABS, otherwise just getActionBar()
Dec 14 10:58:47 <timroes> and getSupportActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUp(true); // you also want to add
Dec 14 10:59:31 <obscurant1st> DO i just need to replace the stuff?
Dec 14 10:59:34 <squ> in AndroidManifest i set   android:theme="@style/Theme.Styled"  like it is adviced here: http://actionbarsherlock.com/theming.html
Dec 14 10:59:48 <squ> then I run on android 2.2 device and get this error:
Dec 14 11:00:36 <squ>  E/AndroidRuntime(7589): Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: You must use Theme.Sherlock, Theme.Sherlock.Light, Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar, or a derivative.
Dec 14 11:01:07 <timroes> yeah what exactly doesn't you understand at the exception :)
Dec 14 11:01:12 <timroes> it pretty much tells you what to do
Dec 14 11:01:18 <squ> what? :)
Dec 14 11:01:30 <timroes> you must either use Theme.Sherlock, Theme.Sherlock.Light or Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar
Dec 14 11:01:44 <squ> but example uses these as parents
Dec 14 11:01:44 <timroes> or a derivative of any of these
Dec 14 11:01:54 <squ> which is derivative
Dec 14 11:01:56 <timroes> have you?
Dec 14 11:02:14 <squ> example: <style name="Theme.Styled" parent="Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar">
Dec 14 11:02:18 <timroes> squ: please paste your styles file
Dec 14 11:02:33 <timroes> where you have declared Theme.Styled
Dec 14 11:02:53 <squ> style file is exactly copy-paste sample from url
Dec 14 11:04:12 <squ> sorry
Dec 14 11:04:35 <squ> error was that res/values did not had it
Dec 14 11:05:15 <squ> while in emulator is set another language
Dec 14 11:05:24 <squ> :)
Dec 14 11:08:14 <squ> timroes, set home enabled -- in onCreate method of Main Activity? or each activity should have it?
Dec 14 11:08:54 <timroes> each activity you want to use the home button and want the onOptionsItemSelected method to be called
Dec 14 11:09:57 <squ> ABS adds background to button when clicked
Dec 14 11:10:07 <squ> despite that I have stateful buttons
Dec 14 11:15:19 <squ> hm.. where is xml at ideone.com?
Dec 14 11:19:10 <squ> http://pastebin.com/xRZyUai7
Dec 14 12:17:07 <cube> hi, I've got AlarmManager which should fire every 2 mins and send sms, but what I'm observing is it works ok for say 2hrs, and then stops for 10 mins. After that it looks like it's trying to catch up, so it sends all the missed messages at once.
Dec 14 12:17:13 <cube> Any idea what could be the case?
Dec 14 12:20:09 <cube> here are intervals (in seconds) I'm talking about: https://gist.github.com/4285080
Dec 14 12:30:18 <bored_worker> hey, i have a number of custom widgets and i would like to place a carat on a textview (yes, i know it's stupid but requirement..), what is the best way and anyone have any idea how edittext accomplishes it?
Dec 14 12:38:20 <FreeWilly> i need some help with social auth lib
Dec 14 12:38:25 <FreeWilly> regarding twitter post
Dec 14 12:38:31 <FreeWilly> fb works 100%
Dec 14 12:38:37 <FreeWilly> but twitter is stupid
Dec 14 13:53:23 <Jonathan_Eyre> I'm looking into a face recognition project. Does anyone have any tips/horror stories?
Dec 14 13:53:40 <Jonathan_Eyre> It looks like using OpenCV is a popular choice.
Dec 14 13:54:10 <Jonathan_Eyre> Has anyone here tried face recognition from a mobile camera?
Dec 14 14:05:13 <Maurits_> Jonathan_Eyre: I haven't from a mobile camera, but have from a webcam
Dec 14 14:05:27 <Maurits_> Jonathan_Eyre: I imagine you want something that's speedy
Dec 14 14:05:39 <Maurits_> do you want to do live detection?
Dec 14 14:05:40 <bingels> how to get time of runned application?
Dec 14 14:07:04 <bingels> *since running application
Dec 14 14:08:02 <xorgate> i'm having an odd problem.. i have an app with a mapfragment in it, landscape uses a framelayout to place it in, portrait another framelayout. I can start the app in either orientation and it works, but when i rotate, it crashes. But it still goes through normal onCreate cycle
Dec 14 14:10:37 <AlCapwn> Is it possible to have a viewgroup which doesn't organise its children, but the children are instead laid out on the fly using setX and setY?
Dec 14 14:13:11 <Jonathan_Eyre> Maurits: I'm doing this in an app. I first need to get the face detection working using local files, then I'll need to move it up to a server-side database.
Dec 14 14:19:49 <mrmaffen> i am currently implementing my own pagerAdapter and i want to call a method if an item has been instantiated. is there any way i can listen for this event? or is there a methodcall right after instantiateItem which i can override?
Dec 14 14:19:51 <clever> Jonathan_Eyre: this may be of interest to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcYAK2j0KSY
Dec 14 14:24:24 <clever> AlCapwn: you could sub-class ViewGroup, and then do that within the onLayout function
Dec 14 14:26:51 <mrmaffen> nvm
Dec 14 14:27:18 <AlCapwn> Hmmm, yep, will have a crack are it later
Dec 14 14:27:54 <lasserix> AlCapwn look for romain guy's flow layout video
Dec 14 14:27:59 <AlCapwn> I'm basically trying to show a help overlay where views are drawn above another view in the main content
Dec 14 14:29:19 <AlCapwn> Found it thanks
Dec 14 14:31:35 <lasserix> bored_worker: subclass textview or edittext to define some mutators for changing view state of textview / et to include carat or not
Dec 14 14:43:53 <xorgate> so a fragment stays alive after orientation change (?), how can i grab a hold of it and place it into a layout of my choice when the activity is recreated?
Dec 14 14:46:19 <belgianguy> I catch it in onResume fragment = (BackgroundFragment) getFragmentManager().findFragmentByTag("thread_manager");
Dec 14 14:47:09 <xorgate> belgianguy and if not found, you create a new one i guess?
Dec 14 14:47:27 <xorgate> i find it all rather confusing
Dec 14 14:47:43 <belgianguy> xorgate: I check it exists in onCreate, too
Dec 14 14:47:52 <belgianguy> don't know if that's right
Dec 14 14:48:04 <belgianguy> and there I do create one if it does not yet exist
Dec 14 14:48:24 <xorgate> ok so you create it, but not directly place it into a layout?
Dec 14 14:48:40 <belgianguy> I do add and commit when I create it
Dec 14 14:48:44 <xorgate> i would think that does not need to go into onresume
Dec 14 14:48:59 <xorgate> then every onresume you add it, which seems ovrekill
Dec 14 14:49:26 <belgianguy> I just find it in onResume, but don't seem to check on it
Dec 14 14:49:38 <belgianguy> which might be dangerous as well
Dec 14 14:50:25 <belgianguy> setRetainInstance(true) is what keeps the Fragment alive btw
Dec 14 14:51:24 <xorgate> i didnt call that at least..
Dec 14 14:51:28 <xorgate> let me try some things
Dec 14 14:53:08 <xorgate> hm i think i'm mixing things up
Dec 14 14:53:33 <xorgate> i have my own MyFragment, which inflates a layout containing a mapfragment
Dec 14 14:54:11 <lasserix> xorgate just assign it by tag, check if the assigned fragment was null, if so recreate
Dec 14 14:54:36 <lasserix> you can encapsulate your state in a non ui fragment with setRetainInstance(true)
Dec 14 14:55:39 <belgianguy> (my fragment is a non ui fragment)
Dec 14 15:01:47 <xorgate> hmm so. https://gist.github.com/4286068 how can i find my Fragment_MapView?
Dec 14 15:02:12 <lasserix> only if you can afford a good fraghound
Dec 14 15:03:08 <lasserix> add if mapFrag == null? create after Fragment_MapView mapfrag = (Fragment_MapView) getSupportFragmentManager().findFragmentById( R.id.fragment_map );
Dec 14 15:03:38 <lasserix> also line 11 and 12 can be singled
Dec 14 15:03:42 <xorgate> no the thing is that the R.id.fragment_map find the google map fragment, not my Fragment_MapView
Dec 14 15:03:58 <xorgate> my frag contains a googlemapfrag
Dec 14 15:04:01 <xorgate> at least i think
Dec 14 15:10:53 <jakob|> anyone else whos payout report does not add upp this month?
Dec 14 15:11:30 <jakob|> payout != sum of report transactions
Dec 14 15:14:59 <Jug6ernaut> i never even check thos :\
Dec 14 15:15:08 <Jug6ernaut> but i have heard reports of this in the past
Dec 14 15:15:56 <xorgate> i think i should just subclass the google mapfragment
Dec 14 15:16:29 <Jug6ernaut> wha, google added a map fragment?
Dec 14 15:16:34 <belgianguy> that might safe you some work indeed
Dec 14 15:16:43 <xorgate> Jug6ernaut hells yes :0
Dec 14 15:16:44 <belgianguy> Jug6ernaut: Maps API v2
Dec 14 15:16:52 <Jug6ernaut> :o
Dec 14 15:17:00 <Jug6ernaut> so no more tabactivity bs lol
Dec 14 15:17:25 <xorgate> but it's still quite limited at some points
Dec 14 15:17:39 <Jug6ernaut> such is life
Dec 14 15:22:39 <xorgate> what happens when i inflate a view containing only a <fragment> ? Does it create a new frag?
Dec 14 15:23:30 <lasserix> if fragment is being added to fragmanager
Dec 14 15:26:40 <lasserix> err commited tech
Dec 14 15:26:47 <lasserix> xorgate there might be some weird thing with mapfragments
Dec 14 15:27:00 <lasserix> remembering seeing lots of SO about mapfragments and fragments with abs
Dec 14 15:27:42 <xorgate> well for now i have no problems with ABS and mapfragments v2
Dec 14 15:27:49 <xorgate> it's just that im new to fragments
Dec 14 15:27:54 <xorgate> and it's confusing the hell out of me
Dec 14 15:28:28 <lasserix> xorgate with you there. anyways i think you want to design your fragments so they are statically instantiating
Dec 14 15:28:35 <Jug6ernaut> this isnt a "android" question really, but i want to enable chat labels in gmail for a specific account, is there anyway i can do this without user interaction?
Dec 14 15:28:40 <lasserix> that way the fragmentmanager will know of them in memory on recreate
Dec 14 15:28:54 <Jug6ernaut> when you switch from show/hide there is some js going on
Dec 14 15:29:02 <lasserix> but i have not done that yet, just what i understand from watching here.. Anyways are you still having prob with finding the fragment on recreate?
Dec 14 15:33:58 <xorgate> lasserix my problem is different now. i want to subclass the mapsv2 fragment, to add functionality to it.
Dec 14 15:34:37 <xorgate> i think i can do without a layout xml altogether
Dec 14 15:34:39 <lasserix> oh great whats the prob?
Dec 14 15:34:41 <xorgate> at least i hope
Dec 14 15:34:43 <lasserix> ohhh
Dec 14 15:34:49 <lasserix> have you used merge tags?
Dec 14 15:35:04 <xorgate> but i dont know what to place in onCreateView
Dec 14 15:35:13 <lasserix> in a view if there is a viewgroup (usu a framelayout) it can be substituted for a fragment
Dec 14 15:35:29 <lasserix> the fragment creates and returns a view usu in onCreateView that is substituted where the framelayout was
Dec 14 15:36:17 <lasserix> the os remembers there is a framelayout in the view heirachy hence you can have other fragments swaped out
Dec 14 15:36:29 <xorgate> what i want is:
Dec 14 15:37:02 <xorgate> portrait: have a framelayout named x that contains the frag. landscape: have a layout named 'mapholder' that contains the frag
Dec 14 15:37:04 <lasserix> or if it helps to put it this way, the layout setcontentview uses contains a viewgroup where fragments will be inserted into the view heirarchy
Dec 14 15:37:06 <xorgate> https://gist.github.com/4286310
Dec 14 15:37:17 <lasserix> umm
Dec 14 15:37:25 <lasserix> the fragment layout doesn't need to contain the fragment
Dec 14 15:37:29 <lasserix> err
Dec 14 15:37:48 <lasserix> the frame layout serves as a kind of pointer in the view hierarchy
Dec 14 15:38:04 <lasserix> if you don't need to dynamically swap out your fragments, you can write them into the xml
Dec 14 15:38:25 <xorgate> but i do want that
Dec 14 15:38:42 <xorgate> i want on the left side in landscape a detail page, and if clicked on a certain button, replace the map with detail frag
Dec 14 15:38:55 <xorgate> think of a shop, with a location and some details
Dec 14 15:39:03 <xorgate> comments for example
Dec 14 15:39:05 <belgianguy> xorgate: you can have different layouts in xml, which adapt to orientation
Dec 14 15:39:11 <xorgate> click map: show map, click comments: show comments
Dec 14 15:39:38 <xorgate> belgianguy yeh i know, my problem now is how to subclass SupportMapFragment to show it in my layout
Dec 14 15:40:09 <belgianguy> xorgate: does SupportMapFragment already support v2?
Dec 14 15:40:15 <xorgate> yes
Dec 14 15:40:38 <lasserix> just subclass it and use it as you would a normal fragment
Dec 14 15:40:40 <xorgate> hm i shouldnt override oncreateview at all
Dec 14 15:41:04 <lasserix> why are you subclassing it?
Dec 14 15:41:11 <xorgate> i want to add code to it
Dec 14 15:41:21 <lasserix> err yeah sorry
Dec 14 15:41:37 <xorgate> i could put that code in the activity but then what's the use of fragments
Dec 14 15:41:43 <lasserix> ohh
Dec 14 15:41:59 <lasserix> so in onCreateView inflate the xml file that contains your fragment's layout
Dec 14 15:42:12 <lasserix> findview by id on all your widgets in that layout by using the inflated view as a reference
Dec 14 15:42:16 <xorgate> yeh thats what i thought, but that's not correct in this case
Dec 14 15:42:31 <xorgate> since i extend a class that already does this
Dec 14 15:42:33 <lasserix> oh you might have to use onActivityCreated
Dec 14 15:42:43 <xorgate> it's working now
Dec 14 15:43:09 <xorgate> in activity.oncreate i find the fragment, if it does not exist i create it, if it does, i place it in the correct framelayout
Dec 14 15:44:10 <lasserix> cool
Dec 14 15:44:23 <xorgate> but since theres no layout there's no result for findFragmentById
Dec 14 15:44:42 <lasserix> umm
Dec 14 15:44:49 <lasserix> those are two different things
Dec 14 15:45:04 <xorgate> i have no layout for my subclassed fragment
Dec 14 15:45:10 <xorgate> so no android:id
Dec 14 15:45:10 <lasserix> fragments exist when commited to the fragmenmanager
Dec 14 15:45:38 <lasserix> overide on create and set the tag
Dec 14 15:45:41 <lasserix> then find it by tag
Dec 14 15:45:53 <xorgate> ah ok i will try
Dec 14 15:46:09 <lasserix> you can also set id too
Dec 14 15:46:12 <lasserix> in the same way
Dec 14 15:47:14 <xorgate> how to set the tag?
Dec 14 15:47:56 <belgianguy> xor second param for add
Dec 14 15:48:04 <belgianguy> xorgate: ^
Dec 14 15:48:27 <xorgate> belgianguy in the fragmenttransaction you mean?
Dec 14 15:48:33 <belgianguy> transaction.add(Fragment f, String taf-g)
Dec 14 15:48:37 <belgianguy> yup
Dec 14 15:48:42 <xorgate> ft.replace( mapHolder, mapfrag );
Dec 14 15:48:44 <xorgate> if what i do now
Dec 14 15:49:46 <belgianguy> replace (int, fragment, String tag)
Dec 14 15:49:52 <xorgate> ok ,that works
Dec 14 15:49:53 <xorgate> now crash
Dec 14 15:50:08 <xorgate> Can't change container ID of fragment Fragment_MapView{42655228 #0 id=0x7f040037 MapFragTag}: was 2130968631 now 2130968633
Dec 14 15:50:35 <xorgate> so i assume it wants to be put back where it was
Dec 14 15:50:40 <xorgate> or i have to remove it first
Dec 14 15:51:14 <belgianguy> I've never used replace :/
Dec 14 15:52:02 <xorgate> it should look at the layout with id (param1) and whatevers in there get rid of it and replace with param2
Dec 14 15:53:26 <belgianguy> how did you call it?
Dec 14 15:55:30 <xorgate> https://gist.github.com/4286430
Dec 14 15:55:53 <belgianguy> xorgate: is this when the orientation changes?
Dec 14 15:56:13 <xorgate> yes
Dec 14 15:56:41 <xorgate> in landscape i want it placed in R.id.map_holder
Dec 14 15:56:46 <belgianguy> one SO thread says to use layout/ and layout-land/
Dec 14 15:56:48 <xorgate> in portrait in R.id.hold_all
Dec 14 15:56:49 <belgianguy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10786809/display-fragment-in-a-different-container-depending-on-orientation
Dec 14 15:56:59 <xorgate> yeah i have that
Dec 14 15:57:11 <xorgate> but the container is different for both orientations
Dec 14 15:57:18 <xorgate> (the id is different)
Dec 14 15:57:22 <belgianguy> ah
Dec 14 15:57:24 <belgianguy> hmm
Dec 14 15:57:36 <belgianguy> I have a tutsplus link that uses this technique IIRC
Dec 14 15:57:45 <belgianguy> but that source is usually looked down upon
Dec 14 15:58:37 <xorgate> i think i should find a proper moment to remove the fragment from the layout, then activity recreates, then find it and assign it
Dec 14 15:58:45 <belgianguy> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/android/android-sdk_fragments/
Dec 14 15:59:17 <belgianguy> in landscape you have 2 frags, in portrait only one
Dec 14 16:00:09 <lasserix> xorgate: have you read the example http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html ? it shows you how to do exactly what you are doing
Dec 14 16:00:10 <xorgate> that tut doesnt have dynamic creation in mind
Dec 14 16:00:47 <lasserix> example is like 3/4 down the page
Dec 14 16:04:18 <xorgate> lasserix it's not exactly what i want
Dec 14 16:04:42 <xorgate> the details-pane is what i want in portrait and landscape
Dec 14 16:06:48 <kken> hello
Dec 14 16:09:09 <belgianguy> hi there
Dec 14 16:14:29 <brandon272> I am finding it impossible to get GPS working in my Android emulators. I've tried using the Emulator Control in ADT and I've tried using "geo fix" in telnet, but nothing works. When I run the app on my phone, the GPS works perfectly. Any suggestions?
Dec 14 16:15:32 <belgianguy> brandon272: is that even supposed to work on the emu?
Dec 14 16:16:03 <belgianguy> (which doesn't have GPS hardware, and would have to spoof location data I think)
Dec 14 16:17:12 <brandon272> belgianguy: You are supposed to be able to emulate a mock GPS location. Thats what geo fix is for, and there's even a spot for it in the Emulator Control in ADT (you specify a lat/lon to send to the emulator). Neither of those work for me, though.
Dec 14 16:18:22 <belgianguy> brandon272: added the <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_MOCK_LOCATION" />
Dec 14 16:18:24 <belgianguy> ?
Dec 14 16:18:41 <brandon272> Yup!
Dec 14 16:19:13 <belgianguy> what error are you getting?
Dec 14 16:19:23 <brandon272> It just times out
Dec 14 16:21:35 <N1tr0g3n> ahh, so that's what the "allow mock location" in dev settings does
Dec 14 16:21:44 <N1tr0g3n> i didnt know that all this time, thank you :D
Dec 14 16:45:17 <xorgate> belgianguy i'm now removing the fragment in activity.onpause and adding it in onresume.. yet i wonder how safe it is
Dec 14 16:45:44 <belgianguy> xorgate: I don't add in Onresume, I just find it
Dec 14 16:45:58 <belgianguy> but your use case might be different
Dec 14 16:46:02 <xorgate> using tx.replace() i mean
Dec 14 16:46:29 <xorgate> https://gist.github.com/4286818
Dec 14 16:46:51 <Chilley> why wont my java class in an eclipse android project print a simple Hello World to the console?
Dec 14 16:47:05 <Chilley> it works when i make a java project
Dec 14 16:47:23 <xorgate> Chilley use Log.w("TAG", "hello");
Dec 14 16:47:28 <Chilley> there are no errors either the program just starts and stops but the console stays blank
Dec 14 16:47:29 <xorgate> and then find logcat
Dec 14 16:48:04 <Chilley> doesn't the eclipse console show Syso when i'm in an android project?
Dec 14 16:49:48 <Mattiz> How hard is it to make an application that plays a sound and shows a picture on a screen touch? i dont know anything about android development but i know some other languages
Dec 14 16:50:44 <Mattiz> essentially it will show you a new picture and play a new sound on each finger tap
Dec 14 16:51:08 <Chilley> xorgate: i did that and i have the logcat view open, but that is blank too
Dec 14 16:51:12 <KNERD> i see someone how not even bothered to go throught the tutorials
Dec 14 16:51:27 <belgianguy> Chilley: System.out.print should just work, do you have the correct windows open?
Dec 14 16:51:40 <Chilley> i have console and logcat open now
Dec 14 16:51:43 <Mattiz> KNERD: where are tutoritals located?
Dec 14 16:51:44 <belgianguy> Chilley: but Log.w or Log.d are much lighter, so use those as soon as that works
Dec 14 16:51:54 <belgianguy> and forget about System.out.println
Dec 14 16:52:04 <Chilley> i made a new java project to test and there it worked fine
Dec 14 16:52:07 <Mattiz> KNERD I came here from the network not from a website,
Dec 14 16:52:10 <Chilley> log.w doesnt show anything either
Dec 14 16:52:19 <belgianguy> chilley, screenshot?
Dec 14 16:52:25 <belgianguy> Chilley: screenshot
Dec 14 16:52:35 <belgianguy> Mattiz: http://developer.android.com/
Dec 14 16:52:39 <belgianguy> start there
Dec 14 16:53:04 <Chilley> http://pastebin.com/n2yCHi5A there's the code
Dec 14 16:53:08 <belgianguy> Mattiz: it's a bit rude to just start asking questions without doing a little effort
Dec 14 16:53:19 <Chilley> ill try get you a screenshot but there's not much to see
Dec 14 16:53:39 <belgianguy> Chilley: where is the Activity?
Dec 14 16:53:47 <xorgate> belgianguy i think the trick is to use onSaveInstanceState and remove the fragment from its layout before calling the super
Dec 14 16:54:01 <xorgate> and then in oncreate maybe create it
Dec 14 16:54:03 <xorgate> if not found
Dec 14 16:54:50 <Chilley> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2609405/Screen%20Shot%202012-12-14%20at%206.53.30%20PM.png and there's the screenshot
Dec 14 16:54:52 <belgianguy> xorgate: might work, but doesn't that almost equate setRetainInstance(true) in essence?
Dec 14 16:55:12 <Mattiz> belgianguy, Ive done research but I dont know anthing about interfacing with hardware in Java. and am looking for guidance not demanding answeres...
Dec 14 16:55:31 <Chilley> belgianguy: well shouldn't i be able to run a java class from its main method, even if im in an android project
Dec 14 16:55:34 <Mattiz> Im simply trying to get a scope from other experienced programmers as to how difficult it is to use the functionality
Dec 14 16:56:09 <belgianguy> Mattiz: MotionEvent for touch events, SoundPool for sound fx, DialogFragment for showing picture
Dec 14 16:56:20 <belgianguy> Mattiz: but that won't mean much to you
Dec 14 16:56:25 <Mattiz> lmao
Dec 14 16:56:56 <belgianguy> Chilley: err, did you do the tutorials?
Dec 14 16:56:58 <Mattiz> belgianguy your more american than I sir.
Dec 14 16:57:38 <Mattiz> get off your high horse and give guidance rather then talk down to people right off the bat.
Dec 14 16:58:01 <belgianguy> you're not not helping
Dec 14 16:58:02 <Mattiz> people like you make programming communities look arrogent and unprofessional
Dec 14 16:58:35 <belgianguy> Mattiz: people like you think they should don't put in a little effort it seems
Dec 14 16:58:44 <belgianguy> I already gave you keywords
Dec 14 16:58:49 <Mattiz> lmao
Dec 14 16:59:16 <belgianguy> enjoy your stay though
Dec 14 16:59:36 <belgianguy> Chilley: just create a new Android project in Eclipse, and all will be clear
Dec 14 16:59:47 <Mattiz> I sure do seem im going to put a lot of effort into the code when im writing the application.
Dec 14 16:59:51 <Chilley> belgianguy: yes i've been there but i'm starting by making a class that has methods for accessing data from an API, and i'm making that in java, so now when i'm getting started i can't run those java classes. I guess I have to make a seperate java project for this API class but does that mean that if I make a java class with a main method in an android project that I cant run it directly?
Dec 14 17:00:02 <Chilley> this is a new android project
Dec 14 17:00:20 <belgianguy> Chilley: take it slow, Android != Java
Dec 14 17:00:25 <Chilley> almost atleast.. well ill try to make untouched one
Dec 14 17:00:39 <belgianguy> you can import Java jars into Android projects, and call the API from there
Dec 14 17:00:58 <belgianguy> or use the NDK (advanced usage) if you have c++ libs
Dec 14 17:01:11 <xorgate> belgianguy is setretaininstancestate true by default?
Dec 14 17:01:11 <Chilley> but is the takehome message that i cant run a java main method in an android project?
Dec 14 17:01:21 <belgianguy> xorgate: I don't think so
Dec 14 17:01:27 <belgianguy> I had to set it
Dec 14 17:01:40 <belgianguy> Chilley: Android doesn't do "main" like that
Dec 14 17:01:46 <belgianguy> it has its own lifecycle
Dec 14 17:02:29 <belgianguy> eg onCreate is probably where you'd do initialisation suff in an Android project
Dec 14 17:02:50 <Chilley> but when i click the class in eclipse and choose run as java application shouldn't it run the same way as if i was in a java project doing the same thing?
Dec 14 17:03:39 <belgianguy> Chilley: I'm not on Eclipse, but keep the worlds of Java (vanilla) and Android apart
Dec 14 17:04:03 <belgianguy> perhaps take a step back and try the hello world app for Android?
Dec 14 17:04:14 <Chilley> i have no problem making an android app
Dec 14 17:04:14 <Codhisattva> belgianguy: do you do NDK dev?
Dec 14 17:04:18 <Chilley> already made an alarm clock
Dec 14 17:04:33 <belgianguy> Codhisattva: not atm, but have dabbed with it
Dec 14 17:04:42 <Codhisattva> drats ;)
Dec 14 17:04:53 <Chilley> but i guess you can't help since this is probably to do with how eclipse handles android projects
Dec 14 17:05:06 <belgianguy> Codhisattva: perhaps others have, so feel free to ask :)
Dec 14 17:05:28 <belgianguy> Chilley: what is it that you want to do?
Dec 14 17:05:47 <belgianguy> access a Java library in Android?
Dec 14 17:07:30 <Chilley> no i want to run a let's say HelloWorld class inside an android project, in eclipse i can click the file and choose run as java application, when i do that in a java project it prints out Hello World but in an android project nothing is shown
Dec 14 17:08:54 <MrQwak> anyone using intellij idea?
Dec 14 17:08:57 <belgianguy> Chilley: maybe check out some YouTube videos on Android + Eclipse?
Dec 14 17:09:01 <belgianguy> MrQwak: yes
Dec 14 17:09:07 <Chilley> in the run configurations i have chosen the main class from the Test class, so according to my logic it should simply execute that main method, but apparently it does something entirely diffrenet
Dec 14 17:09:28 <belgianguy> Chilley: once again, in Java: yes, in Android: no
Dec 14 17:09:38 <belgianguy> do you have an Activity?
Dec 14 17:09:50 <michaelnovakjr> Chilley: please read the documentation at developer.android.com
Dec 14 17:09:56 <MrQwak> i'm having a problem adding libraries to a project
Dec 14 17:10:04 <michaelnovakjr> this isn't a channel to walk you through your first encounters with Android.
Dec 14 17:10:10 <MrQwak> have just migrated from eclipse
Dec 14 17:10:26 <belgianguy> MrQwak: a .jar?
Dec 14 17:10:27 <michaelnovakjr> MrQwak: migrated to what exactly?
Dec 14 17:10:39 <MrQwak> my game project
Dec 14 17:10:47 <belgianguy> to IntelliJ IDEA CE I assume
Dec 14 17:10:47 <MrQwak> from eclipse to intellij idea
Dec 14 17:10:52 <belgianguy> an IDE
Dec 14 17:10:53 <MrQwak> yes
Dec 14 17:11:13 <belgianguy> MrQwak: place jar in libs dir of your project
Dec 14 17:11:18 <michaelnovakjr> MrQwak: IntelliJ supports modules. You'd create a module from existing source and set it as an Android library project.
Dec 14 17:11:43 <xorgate> MrQwak go to module settings (f4) and click 'add' and find the .jar
Dec 14 17:11:44 <MrQwak> okay, thanks chaps
Dec 14 17:11:47 <michaelnovakjr> MrQwak: you then have to go to the main project and set the library project module as a dependency.
Dec 14 17:11:55 <MrQwak> can a library also include resources / assets?
Dec 14 17:11:57 <xorgate> no need to place them in the module folder
Dec 14 17:12:07 <xorgate> yes
Dec 14 17:12:30 <michaelnovakjr> you can add the libs/ directory so all jars in there are included.
Dec 14 17:12:30 <belgianguy> MrQwak: Go to File > Project Structure > Select Modules on the left > click green + on far right > jars or directories
Dec 14 17:13:24 <belgianguy> To use ABS I had to pack it in a module
Dec 14 17:13:33 <belgianguy> ActionBarSherlock btw
Dec 14 17:13:40 <MrQwak> ah yea, that's where i tried to add libs
Dec 14 17:14:26 <MrQwak> my projects main java files didn't seem to find the lib src files (for when i do import)
Dec 14 17:14:42 * michaelnovakjr just said screw dependencies and started using maven.
Dec 14 17:15:09 <belgianguy> michaelnovakjr: I've heard quite a lot about this Maven thing, recommend it?
Dec 14 17:15:10 <MrQwak> haven't used maven before, don't even know what that is
Dec 14 17:15:25 <belgianguy> IntelliJ has Maven support
Dec 14 17:15:42 <michaelnovakjr> belgianguy: I like it. My CI server and IntelliJ use the maven pom.xml files for configuration.
Dec 14 17:16:06 <luckyneo> I'm trying to optimize ListView smoothness in an existing project, I wanted to try how big impact has the cache color hint option. I removed transparent hint from every layout but the background under the listview is still visible even while scrolling. Do you have any idea why?
Dec 14 17:16:08 <michaelnovakjr> belgianguy: in terms of android versions and libraries being available in the repository, that can be a pain but its ok.
Dec 14 17:16:24 <MrQwak> when i click on '+' i get 3 options ... 1. Jars or directories... 2. Libraries... 3. Module dependency...
Dec 14 17:16:34 <xorgate> MrQwak this is what you want http://i.imgur.com/T6oKP.png note how the jars are still in other folders
Dec 14 17:16:39 <michaelnovakjr> belgianguy: you can either just add dependencies locally or host your own repository for internal stuff.
Dec 14 17:17:27 <MrQwak> thanks, and that's in the modules > dependencies tab?
Dec 14 17:17:31 <michaelnovakjr> luckyneo: the listview background is transparent in vanilla android by default. HTC explicitly sets a background on listviews.
Dec 14 17:17:41 <xorgate> MrQwak yep
Dec 14 17:17:54 <MrQwak> will give it a whirl, thank you all for your help :)
Dec 14 17:18:07 <michaelnovakjr> luckyneo: so basically, just set that stuff for your views so there aren't any surprises.
Dec 14 17:18:10 <belgianguy> MrQwak: Alt + Enter is your friend :p
Dec 14 17:18:33 <MrQwak> even on a mac?
Dec 14 17:18:43 <xorgate> yes
Dec 14 17:18:45 <belgianguy> MrQwak: in IntelliJ
Dec 14 17:19:04 <MrQwak> create test?
Dec 14 17:19:10 <michaelnovakjr> auto import
Dec 14 17:19:26 <michaelnovakjr> well not really auto, but you can import as you go.
Dec 14 17:19:32 <belgianguy> no, if you get a reference that your IDE doesn't get, place cursor in it, and then hit Alt + Enter, it'll give suggestions
Dec 14 17:19:44 <belgianguy> and should include suggestiobs from dependencies
Dec 14 17:20:14 <MrQwak> got ya
Dec 14 17:20:18 <MrQwak> in soruce files
Dec 14 17:20:40 <MrQwak> if there are warnings or errors, select the problem > alt-enter?
Dec 14 17:20:57 <belgianguy> MrQwak: pretty much :)
Dec 14 17:21:15 <belgianguy> not a silver bullet, but often helps
Dec 14 17:21:37 <luckyneo> michaelnovakjr: so setting android:cacheColorHint="#FF000000" to the listView in layout should be sufficient?
Dec 14 17:22:30 <michaelnovakjr> luckyneo: what are you trying to do?
Dec 14 17:23:17 <beshoo> deal all , i have sgs3 4.1.2 am looking for such good screencast app to record my screen with sound . i know there an app in market called screen cast , i use to use it on s2 but it want able to work on ICS or JB . Note 2 has a screencast recorder , do you know that if it can be ported to s3 ?
Dec 14 17:24:17 <belgianguy> beshoo: sgs3 has Miracast certificate, AllShare Cast is the Samsung variant thereof
Dec 14 17:24:41 <belgianguy> but only works with other Samsung equipment
Dec 14 17:24:45 <MrQwak> a bit stumped still...
Dec 14 17:25:07 <belgianguy> beshoo: a workaround for Samsung is using the TeamViewer QuickSupport app
Dec 14 17:25:34 <belgianguy> you can log in from the pc to the phone/tablet, and have your screen on the pc/projector
Dec 14 17:25:49 <beshoo> i want to make some demo lessons for my students ! and i dont want to use my PC
Dec 14 17:25:55 <belgianguy> MrQwak: pastebin of error? screenshot of output?
Dec 14 17:26:01 <MrQwak> i have this lib, AndroidBillingLibrary, and it contains a folder with src in it (with .java files etc)
Dec 14 17:26:03 <xorgate> belgianguy setRetainInstance(true) seems to have no effect though
Dec 14 17:26:25 <MrQwak> there is no compiled lib in it
Dec 14 17:26:28 <belgianguy> xorgate: odd
Dec 14 17:26:51 <belgianguy> MrQwak: you might have to add a Module from existing sources
Dec 14 17:26:55 <beshoo> cos it is not easy to hold your laptop any ware ...
Dec 14 17:26:57 <MrQwak> in my main projects source, i have an import "net.robotmedia.billing.BillingController"
Dec 14 17:27:01 <xorgate> i remove the frag from its layout in onsaveinstancestate, but the new activity cannot find it anymore and recreates the frag
Dec 14 17:27:23 <belgianguy> beshoo: sorry, thought you wanted to stream, but you meant record
Dec 14 17:27:33 <beshoo> so it has to be an app to record the mobile screen , there is one named as shotme but it want record the voice
Dec 14 17:27:36 <MrQwak> the net/robotmedia/billing/BillingController.java exists in the libs folder structure etc
Dec 14 17:27:49 <belgianguy> no idea there, my Note 10.1 has a self record function, maybe the sgs3 does have it too
Dec 14 17:27:50 <MrQwak> and i have added the lib as a dependency to my module
Dec 14 17:28:13 <beshoo> <belgianguy> not it has no app to record
Dec 14 17:28:16 <MrQwak> but the "import net.robotmedia.billing.BillingController" is still saying does not exist
Dec 14 17:28:20 <MrQwak> did that make sense?
Dec 14 17:28:30 <beshoo> that is why i came to ask if there is a way to port it
Dec 14 17:28:48 <beshoo> the note 10.1 recording app to work on sgs3
Dec 14 17:28:55 <luckyneo> michaelnovakjr: I'm trying to disable transparent cache color hint, I removed it from existing layout but I expected that when I scroll the listview its background turn black (as an indication of solid color hint). It is not happening, I can still see the background.
Dec 14 17:29:39 <MrQwak> belgianguy - add module from existing sources, i do that at project level?
Dec 14 17:29:46 <MrQwak> (new to intellij idea)
Dec 14 17:30:02 <beshoo> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19577343/screenrecorder.apk | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19577343/screenrecorder.odex
Dec 14 17:30:20 <belgianguy> MrQwak: AFAIK, yes
Dec 14 17:30:27 <beshoo> the "screenrecorder.apk" for Note 10.1
Dec 14 17:30:36 <beshoo> but how can it be run on SGS3 ?
Dec 14 17:30:58 <belgianguy> beshoo: those are proprietary, don't post those things here
Dec 14 17:31:11 <beshoo> oh i am sorry
Dec 14 17:31:20 <belgianguy> and you push them with adb or download to your phone where you can execute them
Dec 14 17:31:33 <belgianguy> (for APK in general)
Dec 14 17:32:02 <beshoo> i did but the app want be able to start at all
Dec 14 17:32:15 <beshoo> it seem there is snome linked lib
Dec 14 17:32:36 <belgianguy> beshoo:  the 10.1 is a tablet, be careful what you do
Dec 14 17:32:38 <MrQwak> okay, trying that, thanks belgianguy
Dec 14 17:34:07 <beshoo> please any advice , i want to be able to tech my students :)
Dec 14 17:34:12 <MrQwak> this is making progress!
Dec 14 17:34:41 <beshoo> i did install this \: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ms.screencast
Dec 14 17:34:56 <beshoo> but it wantbale to work on sgs3 , dont know why !
Dec 14 17:34:59 <MrQwak> if my library only has sources, i need to add it as a library module, to my project; and make it a dependency of my main module
Dec 14 17:35:43 <belgianguy> beshoo: no idea, try Google, this is dev support, not tech support
Dec 14 17:35:56 <belgianguy> MrQwak: sounds right, getting errors?
Dec 14 17:36:26 <MrQwak> getting errors still, but less errors than before
Dec 14 17:36:41 <MrQwak> the add library module as sources seemed to work
Dec 14 17:36:52 <MrQwak> just finding my way around the new IDE
Dec 14 17:36:59 <MrQwak> big improvement from eclipse though
Dec 14 17:37:01 <MrQwak> :)
Dec 14 17:37:41 <Jonathan_Eyre> It's interesting that Android ICS has face recognition built-in to the login options, but they don't have an API for face recognition. Best I've found on d.android is the FaceDetection, but doesn't 'recoginize' you, it just tells where a face is in an image.
Dec 14 17:37:43 <MrQwak> also a bit new to java...
Dec 14 17:38:01 <MrQwak> is a compiled java lib, normally a .jar file?
Dec 14 17:38:12 <MrQwak> .java are java source files
Dec 14 17:38:16 <belgianguy> Java ARchive
Dec 14 17:38:25 <belgianguy> brb
Dec 14 17:38:59 <Jonathan_Eyre> In order to use allow face recognition, I need to compile the entire OpenCV into my app. (Or at least have the SDK linked at compile time.) It makes the app very unweidly.
Dec 14 17:48:47 <birbeck> i forgot my white elephant gift at home, good thing i have a drawer full of google swag
Dec 14 17:52:02 <KNERD> Isn't that the brand name of clothes for Plus Szed women?
Dec 14 17:53:00 <Codhisattva> KNERD: lame
Dec 14 17:55:58 <KNERD> it's SDG
Dec 14 17:56:05 <KNERD> Super Dooper Groovy
Dec 14 17:56:49 <Codhisattva> sigh.everyone thinks they are funny
Dec 14 17:57:28 <Codhisattva> leave comedy to the professionals!
Dec 14 17:58:45 <KNERD> badda boom badda bing
Dec 14 18:03:25 <belgianguy> ah yes, fat jokes, the universal humor commodity
Dec 14 18:07:26 <lov> sir, I believe that "your mom" is the universal humor
Dec 14 18:07:36 <lov> There aren't always fat people, but there are always mothers.
Dec 14 18:07:52 <belgianguy> those two are closely related
Dec 14 18:13:07 <belgianguy> lov: http://www.trolino.com/image?id=14578
Dec 14 18:13:50 <lov> I see what you did there.
Dec 14 18:17:14 <N1tr0g3n> never expected to encounter yo mama jokes in android-dev
Dec 14 18:18:18 <funkbox> N1tr0g3n: neither did yo mama
Dec 14 18:18:51 <N1tr0g3n> hehe
Dec 14 18:21:47 <belgianguy> it's beer o'clock, time to go
Dec 14 18:26:12 <xorgate> phew finally got it working
Dec 14 18:29:12 <lov> that's what sh- oh ffs.
Dec 14 18:36:33 <splig> Hi there! I'm just starting in android dev. I wanted to try to execute and example of GMaps API v2. I got the example, compiled and run it. But i got this error on runtime: Failed resolving Lcom/example/mapdemo/MarkerDemoActivity; interface 467 'Lcom/google/android/gms/maps/GoogleMap$OnMarkerClickListener;
Dec 14 18:36:42 <splig> i found nothing useful in the net to find out what could be happening. any ideas please?
Dec 14 18:41:09 <canadiancow> splig, is google play services installed on your device?
Dec 14 18:41:11 <canadiancow> v2
Dec 14 18:41:49 <splig> canadiancow, mmmm i don't know actually haha. i'm running with the emulator. not physical device
Dec 14 18:41:57 <canadiancow> oh. it wont work
Dec 14 18:42:03 <splig> how can i check it out?
Dec 14 18:42:16 <canadiancow> you cant install it on the emulator
Dec 14 18:42:22 <splig> f**k, hours of trying to run it xD
Dec 14 18:42:33 <splig> riiiight...
Dec 14 18:42:56 <canadiancow> so before using feautres in google play services (like maps), you ened to check GooglePlayServicesUtil.isGooglePlayServicesAvailable(android.content.Context)
Dec 14 18:43:22 <canadiancow> and if it's not, you show the dialog from GPSU#getErrorDialog
Dec 14 18:43:31 <canadiancow> which will direct the user to the play store to download it
Dec 14 18:43:46 <canadiancow> or in other words, read https://developer.android.com/google/play-services/setup.html :p
Dec 14 18:44:19 <splig> ahm ok... i thought i would be easier, the android dev. thanks
Dec 14 18:45:20 <splig> well, so here it goes my next question: i want to do a simple map with some point and, when i click on one of them, showing some info in a new activity. i don't need (i guess) the v2 of gmaps. but does it make sense to start to develop an app with a deprecated API version???
Dec 14 18:46:37 <Chronax> Hey e'rrbody, if I'm using Loaders and have a Fragment that needs to display data from 2 different sources, how can I implement 2 different generic LoaderCallbacks like this? private class Blah implements LoaderCallbacks<T1>, LoaderCallbacks<T2> ?
Dec 14 18:49:25 <Chronax> :(
Dec 14 18:55:50 <canadiancow> splig, no, use v2
Dec 14 18:55:53 <canadiancow> v2 is so much better
Dec 14 18:56:13 <canadiancow> v1 has barely been touched in 3 years
Dec 14 18:56:19 <evelyette> hi, I would like to start a Remote.java activity, which connects to some server, but then I want to open/close some other activities that also require the same connection: what would be the best way of passing the handle to the other activities
Dec 14 18:56:33 <evelyette> I know I can simply pass the handle to the activity, but I'm not sure this is the best way
Dec 14 18:56:56 <splig> canadiancow, how am i supposed to work with v2 if i don't have a physical device and not working with emulator???
Dec 14 18:57:15 <splig> can i work with v2 with android 2.2??
Dec 14 18:58:24 <splig> evelyette, is the connection the same for all app?? singleton maybe??
Dec 14 18:58:47 <evelyette> splig, yes the connection is the same: all activities can use it
Dec 14 18:59:35 <splig> or pass the handle as you say. but if it's the same, maybe singleton may be useful... what the other devs think?? i'm not very pro...
Dec 14 19:00:15 <evelyette> thank you, and yes I'm interested in other opinions as well
Dec 14 19:01:05 <canadiancow> yes, v2 works with 2.2
Dec 14 19:01:10 <canadiancow> and if you don't have a device, why are you developing
Dec 14 19:01:23 <TachyonDev2> michaelnovakjr: sup yo
Dec 14 19:07:40 <languish> TachyonDev2 sup yo :D
Dec 14 19:08:57 <splig> canadiancow, i have a 2.2 device. i though it for higher API version. ok. i tried it, with the google-play-service installed but the same error :S
Dec 14 19:09:27 <splig> oh my god... even with the example i don't success :'(
Dec 14 19:09:27 <splig> lol
Dec 14 19:15:36 <canadiancow> splig, follow the setup instructions
Dec 14 19:26:21 <TachyonDev2> languish: howdie!
Dec 14 19:26:30 <MrQwak> hi, just added my lib; and it's saying package R does not exist
Dec 14 19:26:42 <MrQwak> cannot find symbol class R
Dec 14 19:29:35 <MrQwak> in java, what is R?
Dec 14 19:30:42 <N1tr0g3n> as far as i know R is for Resource
Dec 14 19:31:06 <N1tr0g3n> it glues your code with other resources you have in your app
Dec 14 19:31:18 <N1tr0g3n> there was something about it in the docs
Dec 14 19:47:09 <doogan> MrQwak: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html
Dec 14 19:47:25 <doogan> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/accessing-resources.html
Dec 14 19:48:03 <N1tr0g3n> thanks for helping me out doogan :D
Dec 14 19:48:09 <doogan> no probs
Dec 14 19:49:19 <lasserix> MrQwak android has a default resource namespace android.R.* your app has its own <packagename>.R.*
Dec 14 19:50:12 <lasserix> it is autogenerated code that links the integrating all the apps content
Dec 14 19:50:23 <MrQwak> ah tight
Dec 14 19:50:25 <MrQwak> right*
Dec 14 19:50:30 <lasserix> heh
Dec 14 19:50:39 <lasserix> dope R
Dec 14 19:52:11 <MrQwak> sorry, i'm puzzled, plz bear with me (having a bad day, and it's my birthday today)
Dec 14 19:52:44 <MrQwak> so, i am compiling scoreloop, as a library, and it has some resources (in res folder etc)
Dec 14 19:53:01 <MrQwak> in the java files for score loop, it says like...
Dec 14 19:53:05 <MrQwak> import com.scoreloop.client.android.ui.R;
Dec 14 19:53:23 <MrQwak> then tries to access the resources like...
Dec 14 19:53:25 <MrQwak> setDrawable(context.getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.sl_icon_user));
Dec 14 19:53:47 <lasserix> ummm
Dec 14 19:53:51 <MrQwak> only it is saying, cannot find symbol : class R
Dec 14 19:54:07 <lasserix> try trying the R to  com.scoreloop.client.android.ui.R
Dec 14 19:54:53 <lasserix> i cant remember how to fix this without have to prefix it like that, but i think what is happenning is android is trying to get android.R.drawable.slicon
Dec 14 19:55:03 <lasserix> instead of your namespace resources
Dec 14 19:55:36 <PeteS> Has anyone ever gotten a view (without explicit dimensions) to measure accurately? I mean, even once? I would almost wager money that the Android team intentionally made the measurement system return nonsensical results for the sole reason of ruining my life.
Dec 14 19:55:50 <MrQwak> it kind of makes sense lasserix
Dec 14 19:55:58 <MrQwak> also i can import java.R seems to help
Dec 14 19:56:35 <MrQwak> but then it says "import com.scoreloop.client.android.ui.R;" is unused import statement
Dec 14 19:56:37 <lasserix> PeteS measuring returns px but you need to convert it to dpi if you want it too look proper
Dec 14 19:56:48 <MrQwak> actually it says that without adding in import java.R
Dec 14 19:58:29 <PeteS> lasserix: unfortunately, mine is a more fundamental problem than that :) I'm talking about calling .measure(), and then when you call .getMeasuredHeight() it returns 0 for no apparent reason. Or trying to get a container height on two different phones with two wildly different screen sizes, and both return the same number (implying some BS built-in constant value that is not actually being computed). The entire measurement process is
Dec 14 19:58:30 <PeteS> inconsistent voodoo nonsense.
Dec 14 19:58:44 <lasserix> setDrawable(context.getResources().getDrawable(com.scoreloop.client.android.ui.R.drawable.sl_icon_user)); did you try this?
Dec 14 19:58:56 <lasserix> oh
Dec 14 19:59:08 <lasserix> that's because you're measuring before it has been laid out
Dec 14 19:59:21 <MrQwak> yes
Dec 14 19:59:27 <MrQwak> i tried that, it didn't help
Dec 14 20:00:04 <PeteS> I feel like if I inflate a layout, that's soon enough to start measuring. If Android isn't ready, that's useless to me
Dec 14 20:00:46 <lasserix> umm
Dec 14 20:00:50 <lasserix> you can use a callback
Dec 14 20:01:00 <lasserix> depending on what you are inflating
Dec 14 20:01:19 <lasserix> i think though you want to use getMeasureSpec getMeasuredX/Y
Dec 14 20:37:19 <Chronax> Is there any way in Android's layout XML to set a View's dimensions = to another view's dimensions?
Dec 14 20:37:27 <Chronax> Without a specific dimensions in a dimens.xml ?
Dec 14 20:43:08 <f2prateek> Chronax: relative layouts
Dec 14 20:43:32 <Utoxin> Anyone with experience using Google Cloud Messaging able to tell me what the latency is like? (Basically, what's the likely delay on a device receiving a message (with payload)?)
Dec 14 20:46:18 <ecentinela> I'm upgrading my application to use new Facebook sdk 3, and I see that when I try to use native login, I see the "com.facebook.LoginActivity" in the background (http://tinypic.com/r/jb7j1z/6). This is weird and I don't like it. I see in the docs, images not showing the activity, so I think that maybe it can be disabled. Anyone knows how?
Dec 14 20:53:16 <PeteS> so… starting a new activity, onCreate does nothing but load an empty layout. launchMode is standard. and yet there's still a black screen before the transition animation begins. why would anyone ever want this black screen to show up? why is the normal behavior not for the first activity to stay around until second activity's onCreate is done and ready to display?
Dec 14 20:54:48 <ecentinela> Ok, found the answer for my last question. I can declare the activity like this `<activity android:name="com.facebook.LoginActivity" android:theme="@android:style/Theme.Translucent.NoTitleBar" android:label="@string/app_name" />` and then it's not shown
Dec 14 21:04:12 <Utoxin> GCM kind of makes me want to build a 'feature poll' into my app.
Dec 14 21:13:26 <Trinity> hey guys, i was wondering what the exact thing is called when the motherboard communicates to other hardwares
Dec 14 21:13:38 <Trinity> was it Machine language? Binary language
Dec 14 21:13:39 <Trinity> or what?
Dec 14 21:14:56 <lov> .... huh?
Dec 14 21:14:59 <SpeedEvil> electrical interface standards.
Dec 14 21:15:07 <lov> fizzbuzz tube leads
Dec 14 21:15:12 <SpeedEvil> from USB to i2c, to PCI, ...
Dec 14 21:15:12 <lov> nerd chat
Dec 14 21:15:44 <Codhisattva> there's a number of different ways
Dec 14 21:15:51 <sleepster> what are the primary services that are running when Android boots up? I know there is the Activity Service, but what are some other ones?
Dec 14 21:16:05 <Trinity> SpeedEvil: just need a broad concept
Dec 14 21:16:08 <Trinity> writing an essay hahaha
Dec 14 21:16:11 <Codhisattva> electricity
Dec 14 21:16:16 <lov> beep boops
Dec 14 21:16:21 <Trinity> would machine language work?
Dec 14 21:16:24 <Codhisattva> no
Dec 14 21:16:30 <Codhisattva> that's the CPU internal language
Dec 14 21:16:32 <SpeedEvil> Trinity: no
Dec 14 21:16:33 <Trinity> bleh
Dec 14 21:16:39 <SpeedEvil> Trinity: ##electronics
Dec 14 21:16:40 <Codhisattva> electricity!
Dec 14 21:16:55 <lov> sleepster: you mean ActivityManager. run adb shell dumpsys, you'll get a whole list of them :>
Dec 14 21:16:56 <SpeedEvil> Trinity: there is no generic term
Dec 14 21:17:50 <Trinity> damn
Dec 14 21:17:57 <Trinity> its all cool though speedevil thanks anyways
Dec 14 21:18:27 <sleepster> thanks lov :)
Dec 14 21:18:29 <sleepster> I'll do that right now
Dec 14 21:27:25 <masterzufu> I'm having a bit of trouble. I found this tutorial and did it flawlessly: http://tinyurl.com/c3mfgwv, but need help finding a good tutorial for connecting my app to my pre-existing mybb database. Any takers?
Dec 14 21:27:58 <lov> nope.
Dec 14 21:57:18 <major_majors> I'm using a ShareActionProvider. What is the best method for calling setShareIntent based on the share target that is selected? It seems that doing it in OnShareTargetSelected is too late in the process.
Dec 14 22:11:04 <wilornel> Guys, when you switch between fragments, there is always only one fragment active, right? the other ones in the activity are stopped?
Dec 14 22:14:02 <canadiancow> no
Dec 14 22:14:05 <canadiancow> what?
Dec 14 22:14:20 <canadiancow> you can have multiple fragments visible simultaneously
Dec 14 22:17:45 <wilornel> oh yeah but im talking on a small screen
Dec 14 22:17:56 <canadiancow> well what do you mean by "active"
Dec 14 22:18:01 <ctate> fragments aren't UI elements
Dec 14 22:18:02 <canadiancow> they wont receive touch events if they're not on top
Dec 14 22:18:12 <ctate> fragments are *lifecycle* elements.  there can be associated UI, but that isn't "the point"
Dec 14 22:20:05 <wilornel> can their parent activity give them information?
Dec 14 22:20:12 <wilornel> while they are paused/stoppped
Dec 14 22:59:37 <wilornel> guys, in this example http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html#AddAtRuntime , google creates the layout at onCreate(), but the thing that is called when a fragment returns to the layout from the backstack is the onCreateView(), according to http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html
Dec 14 23:00:04 <wilornel> Neeever mind guys
Dec 14 23:03:22 <Zharf> what a super shitty decision by google to force people to join google+ to be able to rate android apps at all
Dec 14 23:03:28 <Zharf> that's just crap
Dec 14 23:03:57 <Zharf> I think I might ditch android sooner than I thought...
Dec 14 23:05:34 <wilornel> why does it matter?
Dec 14 23:05:56 <Zharf> same reason as not using facebook matters
Dec 14 23:06:09 <Zharf> the whole system is just there to spy on you
Dec 14 23:06:34 <Zharf> there should be no reason at all to force people to do this
Dec 14 23:07:13 <cythrawll> it doesn't spy on you if that's all you use it for.
Dec 14 23:07:18 <Zharf> it's a yet another system to limit your privacy and link your online activities
Dec 14 23:07:24 <wilornel> Oh that
Dec 14 23:07:28 <wilornel> yes it suks :/
Dec 14 23:07:35 <wilornel> but you could just make an anonymous account...
Dec 14 23:07:38 <cythrawll> it only limits your privacy for what you give it...
Dec 14 23:07:46 <cythrawll> so I don't bye that conspiracy bull crap.
Dec 14 23:07:55 <cythrawll> it's all on you to what you feed into their system
Dec 14 23:07:57 <wilornel> cythrawll
Dec 14 23:08:08 <wilornel> It's still an attempt to get private information
Dec 14 23:08:19 <wilornel> as the big companies understand how popular these systems are
Dec 14 23:08:24 <cythrawll> right that's a buisness model..
Dec 14 23:08:31 <storkme> do don't put any private information on it
Dec 14 23:08:32 <cythrawll> but it's in no way forcing you to give private info
Dec 14 23:08:49 <Zharf> it's linking other accounts together
Dec 14 23:08:51 <storkme> so*
Dec 14 23:08:57 <Zharf> forming a very personal profile
Dec 14 23:09:05 <cythrawll> the real reason they are probably doing it is to centralize their account support makes it much cheaper to maintain their authentication in one place.
Dec 14 23:09:32 <cythrawll> also authentication is needed for good rating quality to not be completely useless.
Dec 14 23:09:47 <Zharf> they had that already
Dec 14 23:09:50 <cythrawll> Zharf, it links only what you want to link
Dec 14 23:10:03 <cythrawll> you can create a separate account for every part of google you use.
Dec 14 23:10:12 <cythrawll> Zharf, it wasn't centralized
Dec 14 23:10:25 <wilornel> cythrawll : but you refuse to think that it is an attempt to obtain people's information?
Dec 14 23:10:53 <Zharf> cythrawll, perhaps you don't realise how easy it is to link and monitor activities even if the accounts are not linked by the user
Dec 14 23:11:02 <cythrawll> wilornel, I admit it coooould be considered a minor advantage to the higher execs.
Dec 14 23:11:10 <cythrawll> but I doubt that's the main goal of it.
Dec 14 23:11:21 <wilornel> cythrawll : facebook doesnt even want us to change our birth date
Dec 14 23:11:28 <wilornel> they say you dont have the right to lie to them
Dec 14 23:11:29 <wilornel> ....
Dec 14 23:11:34 <Zharf> it's a yet another fucking retarded system that they force people into
Dec 14 23:11:37 <cythrawll> wilornel, google+ isn't facebook.
Dec 14 23:11:39 <cythrawll> apples and oranges
Dec 14 23:11:49 <storkme> protip every time you use a card at a department store they're collecting information on you
Dec 14 23:11:56 <wilornel> Yeah I admit that google is very different from facebook
Dec 14 23:11:59 <Zharf> google+ is exactly fecesbook equivalent
Dec 14 23:12:05 <wilornel> nope its not
Dec 14 23:12:09 <Zharf> yes it is
Dec 14 23:12:10 <wilornel> not exactly
Dec 14 23:12:11 <storkme> itt nerd paranoia
Dec 14 23:12:13 <Zharf> from my pov
Dec 14 23:12:26 <cythrawll> it has a completely separate buisness model than facebooks
Dec 14 23:12:29 <Zharf> storkme, I use cash only
Dec 14 23:12:30 <wilornel> you see two different systems as exactly identical
Dec 14 23:12:35 <cythrawll> they are similar in the way for "socail network"
Dec 14 23:12:41 <cythrawll> but that's where simularties end.
Dec 14 23:12:52 <wilornel> yes
Dec 14 23:13:02 <cythrawll> Zharf, you're just the overly paranoid type I see.
Dec 14 23:13:08 <wilornel> I think so too
Dec 14 23:13:16 <wilornel> what do you think about 2012? :P
Dec 14 23:13:25 <cythrawll> it's a year
Dec 14 23:13:30 <wilornel> 21 december
Dec 14 23:13:36 <cythrawll> Dec 21st it will end
Dec 14 23:13:36 <wilornel> i was talking to zharf
Dec 14 23:13:39 * kbs quietly puts on his tor-browsing-pgp-using-tinfoil hat
Dec 14 23:13:40 <cythrawll> just a wee bit early
Dec 14 23:13:41 <cythrawll> :p
Dec 14 23:13:46 <wilornel> heh :P
Dec 14 23:13:56 <Zharf> wilornel, who cares, it's just a random date
Dec 14 23:14:03 <Zharf> useless like all others
Dec 14 23:14:16 <wilornel> alright what do you think about illuminati?
Dec 14 23:14:18 <wilornel> zionists?
Dec 14 23:14:23 <Zharf> also useless
Dec 14 23:14:27 <wilornel> governments? do they govern well?
Dec 14 23:14:31 <Zharf> no
Dec 14 23:14:33 <wilornel> money is a good tool?
Dec 14 23:14:37 <wilornel> banks?
Dec 14 23:14:40 <Zharf> not so much
Dec 14 23:14:44 <wilornel> I have to say that I agree
Dec 14 23:14:50 <wilornel> banks rub us
Dec 14 23:15:42 <cythrawll> really if you knew what they use that data for.
Dec 14 23:15:48 <cythrawll> it's basically harmless
Dec 14 23:15:53 <cythrawll> minor annoyances at most.
Dec 14 23:16:12 <Zharf> that's not the point
Dec 14 23:16:18 <cythrawll> sure it is
Dec 14 23:16:19 <nick123> hi all
Dec 14 23:16:28 <wilornel> hey nick
Dec 14 23:16:28 <nick123> I have a Spinner and a CheckBox defined in an xml layout, now after implementing a custom array adapter and trying to use checkbox.setChecked(true) its not working, I have made this post with my code http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13886220/android-spinner-with-checkbox-setcheckedtrue-not-working
Dec 14 23:16:32 <Zharf> it will keep growing until there is no more control left because people don't care
Dec 14 23:16:41 <wilornel> 1984
Dec 14 23:16:43 <Zharf> it's cleverly disguised
Dec 14 23:16:43 <nick123> hello wilornel
Dec 14 23:16:49 <cythrawll> i mean sure they could use it for evil.. whic I think is actually illegal
Dec 14 23:16:56 <wilornel> nick I know nothing about android im sorry I cant help you :P
Dec 14 23:17:06 <cythrawll> but that's reasoning that we have the knowledge to build nukes and wipe out the entire planet
Dec 14 23:17:08 <wilornel> cythrawll: but money rules the laws
Dec 14 23:17:10 <cythrawll> I think that's more worrisome
Dec 14 23:17:11 <nick123> wilornel its ok my hello stays as it is :D
Dec 14 23:17:27 <wilornel> nick123: thats nice ^^
Dec 14 23:17:42 <Zharf> cythrawll, wiping out the human race is better
Dec 14 23:18:03 <wilornel> Zharf: Humans can do good and bad
Dec 14 23:18:16 <wilornel> the more they become better, the more bad things they do to their environment
Dec 14 23:18:17 <Zharf> I don't see any good really
Dec 14 23:18:20 <RxDx> please, how can I retrieve data from a mysql db?
Dec 14 23:18:26 <wilornel> Zharf: Oh cmon!
Dec 14 23:18:35 <wilornel> thats just pessismistic
Dec 14 23:18:39 <wilornel> thats just pessimistic
Dec 14 23:18:43 <nick123> RxDx how r u using a mySQL in Android?
Dec 14 23:18:43 <wilornel> or w/e they call it
Dec 14 23:18:57 <RxDx> nick123, no.. on my server.. on bluehost
Dec 14 23:19:19 <cythrawll> Zharf, you have fallen into the media's trap of peddling fear and loathing then.
Dec 14 23:19:38 <nick123> use an HTTPRequest and HTTPResponse and try reading the response from ur web service
Dec 14 23:19:39 <cythrawll> get out there in the world and meet real people.
Dec 14 23:19:52 <Zharf> cythrawll, I do, everyday, media's crap anyway
Dec 14 23:19:59 <RxDx> nick123, thanks.. ill read how to do it :)
Dec 14 23:20:02 <Zharf> I don't even follow what they do
Dec 14 23:20:05 <wilornel> where do you live to not see the good in people?
Dec 14 23:20:09 <cythrawll> yet you're falling right into the fear and pessimism they sell.
Dec 14 23:20:50 <Zharf> cythrawll, I don't fear, I laugh at the idiocy of the human
Dec 14 23:20:57 <Zharf> wilornel, .fi
Dec 14 23:20:58 <wilornel> guys, Im having a HeadlinesFragment is not a type error, and I cant find any documentation about them..
Dec 14 23:21:22 <wilornel> where is that?
Dec 14 23:21:34 <wilornel> whats fi?
Dec 14 23:21:50 <Zharf> finland...
Dec 14 23:21:53 <wilornel> oh
Dec 14 23:22:16 <wilornel> isnt that a great country?
Dec 14 23:22:27 <wilornel> you have to see the good things man!
Dec 14 23:22:29 <SparkyXI> Hola. Anyone know of a way to flash a stock tarball to a Galaxy Nexus (CDMA) without using fastboot? I have a fried USB port...
Dec 14 23:22:41 <wilornel> compared to hundreds year from now, many people get to eat
Dec 14 23:22:42 <wilornel> and have heat
Dec 14 23:22:47 <cythrawll> I'm a staunch atheist that hates religion
Dec 14 23:22:50 <cythrawll> but Zharf needs Jesus
Dec 14 23:22:53 <Zharf> care to tell me what you think the people are doing that's any good
Dec 14 23:23:05 <wilornel> research in science?
Dec 14 23:23:09 <cythrawll> Zharf, they are trying as hard as they can.
Dec 14 23:23:17 <Zharf> and what good is that'
Dec 14 23:23:26 <nick123> nice chat guys, I'm about to sleep lol
Dec 14 23:23:45 <wilornel> dude, did you learn how people lived in the 1500s?
Dec 14 23:23:51 <cythrawll> cure disease, improve the race, use technology to bridge cultural gaps....
Dec 14 23:24:04 <Zharf> but that's all selfish
Dec 14 23:24:12 <wilornel> thats improvement
Dec 14 23:24:18 <wilornel> idk what selfish is
Dec 14 23:24:24 <wilornel> oh
Dec 14 23:24:28 <wilornel> no its not! :P
Dec 14 23:25:07 <Zharf> it's only for the "good" of the man, which has no point to it, the man will just destroy itself anyway
Dec 14 23:25:21 <wilornel> Well then let it be and be a part of evolution
Dec 14 23:25:23 <Zharf> succumb to control and eventually wipe itself out
Dec 14 23:25:47 <wilornel> its not like humans decided to be bad to its environment
Dec 14 23:25:52 <wilornel> its just how it WORKS
Dec 14 23:25:58 <wilornel> and for the wiping itself out...
Dec 14 23:26:06 <wilornel> thats also how it works
Dec 14 23:26:15 <Zharf> sure, but it also makes it pointless
Dec 14 23:26:33 <wilornel> You must be really depressed atm
Dec 14 23:26:39 <Zharf> not so much really
Dec 14 23:26:46 <wilornel> I wasnt feeling right last week and was having many negative thought
Dec 14 23:26:49 <wilornel> thoughts*
Dec 14 23:27:04 <wilornel> sooooo you're saying that humanity is pointless
Dec 14 23:27:16 <wilornel> well then so is the universe
Dec 14 23:27:18 <wilornel> and everything
Dec 14 23:27:29 <Zharf> are you saying that humanity is everything?
Dec 14 23:27:29 <wilornel> EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end
Dec 14 23:27:33 <wilornel> im not
Dec 14 23:28:11 <wilornel> you're saying that humanity is pointless because it wipes itself out, and because it afects its surroundings negatively
Dec 14 23:28:30 <Zharf> mostly the latter really
Dec 14 23:28:48 <wilornel> does that mean that say... tigers are pointless?
Dec 14 23:28:53 <wilornel> if they eat all the food around them
Dec 14 23:28:57 <wilornel> then there is no more food left
Dec 14 23:28:59 <wilornel> they die...
Dec 14 23:29:16 <wilornel> thats just how it works
Dec 14 23:29:21 <Zharf> however they're not aware of what they are doing
Dec 14 23:29:23 <Zharf> humans are
Dec 14 23:29:29 <wilornel> humans cannot stop!
Dec 14 23:29:37 <wilornel> thats the thing
Dec 14 23:30:05 <Zharf> they could all just jump into the oceans ;)
Dec 14 23:30:25 <wilornel> well atleast you have a sense of humour :P
Dec 14 23:30:42 <wilornel> but do you understand what im trying to say?
Dec 14 23:30:48 <wilornel> we cannot just stop our activities
Dec 14 23:31:03 <wilornel> what we GOT with evolution is too precious and we rely on it
Dec 14 23:31:12 <Zharf> precious?
Dec 14 23:31:23 <wilornel> yeah
Dec 14 23:31:34 <wilornel> its matters too much to just leave it
Dec 14 23:31:37 <wilornel> and not use it
Dec 14 23:31:53 <wilornel> music, science, ressources
Dec 14 23:31:58 <wilornel> resources*?
Dec 14 23:32:40 <canadiancow> if i have a notification action that starts a service when it's clicked, can i also have it close the notification drawer?
Dec 14 23:33:10 <wilornel> canadiancow, im having a headlinesFragment not a type error
Dec 14 23:33:19 <canadiancow> what?
Dec 14 23:33:39 <wilornel> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html#AddAtRuntime
Dec 14 23:33:44 <canadiancow> why are you telling me?
Dec 14 23:33:52 <wilornel> I thought you were a professional
Dec 14 23:34:06 <wilornel> oh yeah I forgot to say the net part
Dec 14 23:34:08 <wilornel> next*
Dec 14 23:34:17 <canadiancow> i am, but you should address the whole channel
Dec 14 23:34:18 <wilornel> there is no documentation about headlinesFragment
Dec 14 23:34:19 <canadiancow> not one person
Dec 14 23:34:27 <wilornel> I addressed it earlier
Dec 14 23:34:29 <wilornel> :/
Dec 14 23:34:51 <canadiancow> well if you dont get a response, then either everyone's busy, or they dont know what you're talking about, or they dont have an answer
Dec 14 23:35:05 <canadiancow> asking one random specific person si not going to helop
Dec 14 23:35:18 <wilornel> alright alright
Dec 14 23:35:48 <wilornel> Guys, im having a "HeadlinesFragment is not a type" error when I follow this guide: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html#AddAtRuntime, there is no documentation about this type at all
Dec 14 23:37:56 <canadiancow> thats not a system type
Dec 14 23:37:59 <wilornel> oh wait
Dec 14 23:38:00 <wilornel> WAIT
Dec 14 23:38:02 <wilornel> I jthink
Dec 14 23:38:03 <canadiancow> it represents a fragment that you've made yourself
Dec 14 23:38:05 <wilornel> I just understoo
Dec 14 23:38:07 <wilornel> NOO
Dec 14 23:38:13 <wilornel> man cmon I was about to say it..
Dec 14 23:38:29 <wilornel> Alright thanks ^^
Dec 14 23:40:05 <Zarathu> Hi. I want to be able to set the activity logo (Window.FEATURE_LEFT_ICON) asynchronously from a URL. Is there an easy way to do this?
Dec 14 23:42:55 <Zharf> wilornel, I think I dragged this conversation far enough and I really have to sleep right now... however I still need to say that I can't see anything really good in pretty much anything, sure there's beautiful things and useful things for the man, but it's still no good... just selfish human needs/desires. I'm not however saying that everything is purely evil, but nothing (I know of) is really good either
Dec 14 23:47:28 <wilornel> Zharf : I see. And I agree with some points... but you should look more at the world in an optimistic way
Dec 14 23:51:14 <canadiancow> Zarathu, can you do it synchronusly from the mani thread?
Dec 14 23:52:08 <Zarathu> canadiancow: Nope, throws a NetworkOnMainThreadException.
Dec 14 23:52:12 <Zarathu> :/
Dec 14 23:52:51 <canadiancow> thats not waht i meant
Dec 14 23:53:05 <canadiancow> im just not familiar with setting that icon at all
Dec 14 23:53:06 <canadiancow> :P
Dec 14 23:53:12 <canadiancow> look up AsyncTask
Dec 14 23:53:16 <canadiancow> it does exactly what you want
Dec 14 23:53:27 <Zarathu> Well, if I put it in an AsyncTask, it says:
Dec 14 23:53:37 <Zarathu> Only the original thread that created a view hierarchy can touch its views.
Dec 14 23:53:49 <canadiancow> no no
Dec 14 23:53:53 <canadiancow> you download in doInBackground
Dec 14 23:53:59 <canadiancow> and set the icon in onPostExecute
Dec 14 23:54:10 <Zarathu> Oh! :D Okay
Dec 14 23:54:11 <Zarathu> Sec.
Dec 14 23:54:22 <canadiancow> asynctask handles all that stuff for you :P
Dec 15 00:15:11 <SimonVT> Your mom's async
Dec 15 00:19:12 <birbeck> shes good at handling stuff
Dec 15 00:19:27 <wilornel> is being async something good?
Dec 15 00:20:29 <birbeck> i wish i could asynchronously be at work while at the bar
Dec 15 00:22:44 <wilornel> its like multitasking?
Dec 15 00:24:25 <wilornel> is like asynchronism an evolution or is at the same level as synchronism?
Dec 15 00:32:28 <canadiancow> wilornel... wat
Dec 15 00:33:18 <canadiancow> birbeck, just work from home
Dec 15 00:33:20 <canadiancow> s/home/bar/
Dec 15 00:33:39 <SparkyXI> once more with my question:
Dec 15 00:33:41 <SparkyXI> in a nutshell, my VZW GNex has a fried USB port, and I'm trying to revert to full unrooted stock. Is there a way to flash an old (pre 4.1) stock tarball via the TWRP command function (effectively replacing the bootloader and ROM)?
Dec 15 00:33:47 <SimonVT> birbeck: I can be drunk while you're at work.. That good enough?
Dec 15 00:33:58 <SparkyXI> or without fastboot, as it were
Dec 15 00:34:05 <canadiancow> SparkyXI, this is an app dev channel. it's unlikely anyone can help you with hardware issues
Dec 15 00:34:08 <birbeck> SimonVT: well i run the beer club at work, so im drinking now
Dec 15 00:34:18 <canadiancow> birbeck, bring me some?
Dec 15 00:34:19 <canadiancow> :D
Dec 15 00:34:35 <birbeck> all the way in mv? come and get some
Dec 15 00:34:41 <SparkyXI> I don't have a hardware issue. the issue is finding the software workaround, but thanks anyway.
Dec 15 00:34:43 <canadiancow> all the way near home? :(
Dec 15 00:34:47 <birbeck> haha
Dec 15 00:34:58 <canadiancow> take 101 to SF at 4:30pm on a friday
Dec 15 00:34:59 <canadiancow> yeah
Dec 15 00:34:59 <canadiancow> ok
Dec 15 00:36:17 <birbeck> yeah, see you at 7
Dec 15 00:36:36 <canadiancow> or i can stay here two more hours and be there at 8:P
Dec 15 00:36:44 <canadiancow> s/there/home/
Dec 15 00:36:50 <birbeck> i did that once the opposite direction. sf to mv down 101 on a friday at 4:30. got in my first and only bike accident
Dec 15 00:37:04 <canadiancow> :(
Dec 15 00:37:38 <birbeck> was headed to an android meetup
Dec 15 00:37:46 <canadiancow> oh sure blame android :P
Dec 15 00:38:06 <birbeck> would i go to mountain view for any other reason?
Dec 15 00:38:30 <canadiancow> wait an android meetup in mtv? i wanna go
Dec 15 00:38:56 <birbeck> sv-android i think
Dec 15 00:39:23 <canadiancow> i dont know what tha tis
Dec 15 00:39:30 <canadiancow> oh
Dec 15 00:43:49 <canadiancow> maybe i'll check one out in january
Dec 15 00:43:53 <canadiancow> but then i have no idea how to get home
Dec 15 01:29:12 <greatjustice> Hi so using an actual dialog is not gonna ever work perfectly for my game. The window allocation will have to happen on the first show even if I hide every time after, so is there any way I can draw a dialog like object on canvas instead? Ideally I'd like for the embiggen animation to be included, but its not necessary
Dec 15 01:31:20 <Zarathu> Hmm. Weird issue. I'm trying to use activity.setFeatureDrawable(Window.FEATURE_LEFT_ICON, drawable); - but it ends up making the action bar really tiny. When I use getActionBar().setLogo(drawable); with getActionBar().setDisplayUseLogoEnabled(true); it crashes because getActionBar() is null.
Dec 15 01:31:55 <Zarathu> Should calling getActionBar() in the onResume() callback avoid this problem?
Dec 15 01:35:30 <Zarathu> requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_ACTION_BAR); solved the problem.
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