**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:58 2013
Jan 04 02:59:59 <StingRay_> hmmm dcc dont work, though this is 1st time I tried it
Jan 04 03:00:03 <svearike> EXT_texture_format_BGRA8888  there's the four eights you mentioned? :)
Jan 04 03:00:23 <Maziz> any experience with Acer Iconia a501
Jan 04 03:00:24 <Maziz> ?
Jan 04 03:00:27 <Maziz> hiall
Jan 04 03:00:28 <StingRay_> then the png format would have to be BGRA
Jan 04 03:00:34 <StingRay_> and not RGBA
Jan 04 03:00:39 <PeteS> Anyone ever scaled text in a webview on a 2.3 mdpi device and a 4.0 hdpi device to get them consistent? I'm thinking that this is just not possible without using a JS hack.
Jan 04 03:00:40 <StingRay_> i think
Jan 04 03:00:53 <AmandaC> StingRay_: I just scroleld up, he's passing a RGB565 imaghe
Jan 04 03:01:05 <StingRay_> oh
Jan 04 03:01:15 <AmandaC> Probably already decoded from the PNG into a raw byte sequence
Jan 04 03:01:39 <AmandaC> svearike: does it list the RGB565 format?
Jan 04 03:03:18 <svearike> hold on, gonna mail myself the info, that is one long incomprehensible list
Jan 04 03:04:07 <svearike> .. *sigh* .. I remember when a computer was fast with 2gb of ram...
Jan 04 03:05:55 <AmandaC> heh
Jan 04 03:08:36 <svearike> http://pastebin.com/bgm78CuW
Jan 04 03:08:46 <svearike> I was about to go insanity wolf there for a while
Jan 04 03:10:20 <StingRay_> I cant see RGB565
Jan 04 03:10:55 <StingRay_> but I do see pallet based 4/8 support
Jan 04 03:11:17 <AmandaC> svearike: ... I just noticed, try changing the GLES20.GL_RGB, to GLES20.GL_RGB565
Jan 04 03:11:41 <AmandaC> svearike: if that's still throwing an error, then the graphics chip doesn't support it for whatever reason
Jan 04 03:11:45 <svearike> http://pastebin.com/KLUegNyP  thats the one from the s3
Jan 04 03:12:01 <StingRay_> oh, interesting
Jan 04 03:12:32 <svearike> AmandaC where exactly should I change it? I'm ONLY calling GLUtils.texImage2D(GL10.GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, bitmap, 0);   <--- I thought that one would take care of stuff under the hood?
Jan 04 03:12:59 <AmandaC> oh fuck
Jan 04 03:13:10 <AmandaC> I've been scrolling up to xorgate's line, thinking it was yours
Jan 04 03:13:15 * AmandaC is too tired to brain, sorry
Jan 04 03:13:19 <svearike> Aaaah :)
Jan 04 03:13:54 <AmandaC> I take it bitmap is a android.graphics.Bitmap?
Jan 04 03:14:07 <svearike> but also, I tried removing the alpha channel, and just put a white background there.. still same error
Jan 04 03:14:10 <svearike> AmandaC yeah
Jan 04 03:14:33 <AmandaC> Yeah, at that point it doesn't matter, it's already decoded into an RGB byte array
Jan 04 03:15:09 <svearike> but the Bitmap could have done a RGBA byte array?
Jan 04 03:15:26 <svearike> I'm too tired to remember, but perhaps we know it did rgb565?
Jan 04 03:16:50 <AmandaC> maybe you should just sleep, take another look in the morning with fresh eyes
Jan 04 03:17:31 <svearike> might be the case... altough I doubt I'll actually solve this on my own :) I hate it when it works on one machine and not the other.. and non existing error messages ftw
Jan 04 03:17:32 <AmandaC> ... bitmap isn't null, by chance?
Jan 04 03:17:44 <AmandaC> no wait, that wouldn't cause that
Jan 04 03:17:45 <svearike> AmandaC Ah, way ahead of you ;)
Jan 04 03:18:00 <svearike> if (bitmap == null)	Log.d("TextureManager", "What the fuck,
Jan 04 03:18:57 <StingRay_> svearike put the file some place and let me have a look
Jan 04 03:19:03 <svearike> S3: MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 4096,   TABLET: MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 2048
Jan 04 03:19:08 <Maziz> take a sleep
Jan 04 03:19:19 <StingRay_> as in the png
Jan 04 03:19:20 <Maziz> and you will higher chance to solve it once awake
Jan 04 03:19:44 <svearike> would the max_texture_size be in bytes?
Jan 04 03:20:06 <StingRay_> no
Jan 04 03:20:12 <StingRay_> dimensions
Jan 04 03:20:16 <svearike> thank god for that atleast :)
Jan 04 03:20:28 <StingRay_> but I would never use 41x41
Jan 04 03:20:34 <StingRay_> always power2
Jan 04 03:20:38 <StingRay_> 32
Jan 04 03:20:39 <StingRay_> 64
Jan 04 03:20:40 <StingRay_> etc
Jan 04 03:20:50 <svearike> ... that is true! I remember that from back in the days
Jan 04 03:20:51 <StingRay_> but thats performance not really your prob
Jan 04 03:20:59 <StingRay_> but u/l that png
Jan 04 03:21:12 <svearike> sure
Jan 04 03:22:06 <Datalink> hm, okay I need to figure out what is happening here...
Jan 04 03:23:06 <Datalink> I have a Samsung Captivate Glide with ICS, it keeps locking up, around once per day or less, where the screen is unresponsive, occasionally it happens more frequently, but does anyone know why it would be doing this?
Jan 04 03:24:28 <wabz> you ran out of entropy lol
Jan 04 03:24:37 <svearike> StingRay_ http://svearike.sytes.net/main_char.png  and  the temporary googled background http://svearike.sytes.net/map_tiles.png
Jan 04 03:26:12 <StingRay_> there is no alpha on that
Jan 04 03:26:54 <StingRay_> and looking at this, pallet indexed alpha would suit fine cause there is little graduation
Jan 04 03:28:17 <xorgate> hm new JSONObject(null) seems to throw a nullpointerexception.. thought it would throw JSONException
Jan 04 03:29:11 <svearike> StingRay_ yeah right that's the one I put the white background on :|
Jan 04 03:29:33 <StingRay_> no diff
Jan 04 03:29:43 <StingRay_> just means this will have a halo round the char  http://deanwray.co.uk/main_char.png
Jan 04 03:29:50 <Pfhoenix> anybody have any ideas on how to tell how many pointers a multitouch device will report?
Jan 04 03:29:50 <svearike> StingRay_ http://svearike.sytes.net/hemulen_sheet.png
Jan 04 03:30:11 <svearike> StingRay_ that is the one I've been using on the s3
Jan 04 03:30:22 <StingRay_> ok, will do this one
Jan 04 03:30:34 <StingRay_> can have a low pallet cause not much color there either
Jan 04 03:31:11 <svearike> StingRay_ just to slap me in the face, I fired up the app in the emulator. it works there aswell ;)
Jan 04 03:32:03 <svearike> as much as anything "works" in the emulator ;)
Jan 04 03:33:46 <svearike> interesting! when I said that it worked on the emulator I meant, I got no error messages from glTex or anything.
Jan 04 03:33:53 <StingRay_>  thats indexed now http://deanwray.co.uk/hemulen_sheet_indexed.png
Jan 04 03:33:55 <svearike> but the screen is pitch black and nothing is drawn
Jan 04 03:34:08 <svearike> StingRay_ thanks :)
Jan 04 03:34:13 <StingRay_> just a test
Jan 04 03:34:20 <StingRay_> these are all shots in the dark really
Jan 04 03:34:38 <StingRay_> but my background is as a games / vfx graphics td/artist
Jan 04 03:34:47 <StingRay_> so I like this stuff :)
Jan 04 03:34:50 <StingRay_> makes a change
Jan 04 03:35:35 <svearike> Ah, cool :)
Jan 04 03:36:46 <StingRay_> I'm downloading gimp now
Jan 04 03:36:50 <StingRay_> for osx
Jan 04 03:36:55 <StingRay_> just to have a look
Jan 04 03:37:13 <svearike> awesome :)
Jan 04 03:37:19 <StingRay_> my guess it the png lib used in gimp may support more png stuff than ps
Jan 04 03:37:42 <svearike> StingRay_ same results as before ;\ both on s3 (works), tablet (white background), emulator ( all black)
Jan 04 03:38:31 <StingRay_> the sprite is on a white bg ?
Jan 04 03:38:39 <StingRay_> as in not "blended"
Jan 04 03:38:58 <StingRay_> or not using the transparency index etc
Jan 04 03:39:58 <svearike> the sprite is not showing up at all, it's just white instead of the texture
Jan 04 03:40:53 <svearike> I bind the texture to a square (without a color)
Jan 04 03:40:54 <StingRay_> and you have verified that it's not the content of the bitmap ?
Jan 04 03:41:14 <StingRay_> as in the content is of bitmap is def not white
Jan 04 03:41:16 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 03:41:22 <svearike> yeah :)
Jan 04 03:41:31 <svearike> well I'm running the same app simultaneously on three devices
Jan 04 03:41:35 <svearike> from the same eclipse
Jan 04 03:41:39 <svearike> (no wonder my computer is slow)
Jan 04 03:41:46 <StingRay_> oh yeah
Jan 04 03:41:53 <StingRay_> <-- slow today
Jan 04 03:41:58 <StingRay_> well this morning 3:41am
Jan 04 03:42:09 <svearike> 04:41 here ;)
Jan 04 03:42:21 <StingRay_> germany ?
Jan 04 03:42:25 <svearike> sweden
Jan 04 03:42:33 <StingRay_> that was my next guess
Jan 04 03:42:47 <svearike> ;)
Jan 04 03:43:20 <StingRay_> hang on
Jan 04 03:43:24 <xorgate> sverige
Jan 04 03:43:35 <xorgate> du har fina tuttar
Jan 04 03:43:47 <svearike> xorgate lol, you know your swedish ;)
Jan 04 03:43:54 <xorgate> it's all i know :0
Jan 04 03:43:54 <StingRay_> svearike have you tried to build your own bitmap with just a solid color and see if that still comes up white ?
Jan 04 03:44:07 <StingRay_> as in an all red bitmap ?
Jan 04 03:44:10 <xorgate> guaranteed to make a lady smile ^_^
Jan 04 03:44:26 <svearike> StingRay_ no, I have not. what would be the quickest way of doing that? canvas + mutible?
Jan 04 03:44:32 <svearike> xorgate without a doubt :)
Jan 04 03:44:47 <xorgate> i also know orebro and uppsala
Jan 04 03:45:14 <Pfhoenix> I know Engrish
Jan 04 03:45:19 <svearike> StingRay_ wait... what? now it works in the emulator, when I turned of the debugging calls, perhaps it was just too damn slow to work with those on :)
Jan 04 03:46:27 <QubeZ> hello all
Jan 04 03:47:48 <svearike> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 04 03:47:54 <svearike> you want freaking believe this
Jan 04 03:48:16 <StingRay_> your origional now works on the tablet ?
Jan 04 03:48:19 <svearike> I did a small small change in my level1.map file.. changed from 41x41 to 32x32, and what the hell do you know, it works on the tablet
Jan 04 03:48:57 <svearike> next thing is to make it larger to see if its because of the smaller size or because of the multiple of 2
Jan 04 03:49:05 <StingRay_> multi of 2
Jan 04 03:49:10 <svearike> probably
Jan 04 03:49:18 <svearike> that's for consistency...
Jan 04 03:49:54 <StingRay_> well, all console engines do load any size but then scale to pow2 b4 draw
Jan 04 03:50:46 <StingRay_> but you dont do that, cause it's just a waste of power
Jan 04 03:50:55 <StingRay_> and you loose details
Jan 04 03:51:23 <svearike> yeah, I'll have to change my files then
Jan 04 03:51:36 <svearike> too good I havent produced any real material yet ;)
Jan 04 03:52:27 <svearike> s/want/won't
Jan 04 03:52:44 <svearike> I'm getting too tired for this, have to watch some star trek and then goto sleep I think :)
Jan 04 03:52:57 <svearike> AmandaC, StingRay_ thanks alot for your help with this
Jan 04 03:53:10 <StingRay_> I like cg/graphics probs
Jan 04 03:53:18 <StingRay_> not so much the programming side
Jan 04 03:53:33 <StingRay_> but anything else I can help with ;)
Jan 04 03:53:53 <svearike> hehe, the part I suck at ;)
Jan 04 03:54:06 <svearike> but considering you saw my sprite I guess you already know that hehe
Jan 04 03:54:19 <StingRay_> well where did that come from ?
Jan 04 03:54:25 <StingRay_> as in how was it made
Jan 04 03:54:30 <svearike> I would NEVER have been able to draw that myself
Jan 04 03:54:38 <svearike> girlfriends camera + a solid figure + gimp
Jan 04 03:54:42 <svearike> + alot of rotation going on
Jan 04 03:54:48 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 03:54:59 <StingRay_> well
Jan 04 03:55:08 <StingRay_> I would use a 3d app for that
Jan 04 03:55:33 <StingRay_> I'm actually an authorised autodesk maya instructor
Jan 04 03:55:44 <svearike> StingRay_ http://svearike.sytes.net/DSC_6067.JPG
Jan 04 03:55:46 <StingRay_> so would do that in maya
Jan 04 03:55:53 <svearike> and the missing front http://svearike.sytes.net/DSC_6068.JPG
Jan 04 03:56:19 <svearike> hah, yeah that would probably be easier ;)
Jan 04 03:56:23 <StingRay_> yeah see there you either have a lens gap or ...
Jan 04 03:56:35 <StingRay_> a serious macro lens with shallow DOF
Jan 04 03:56:45 <StingRay_> thats not good for source material
Jan 04 03:56:52 <svearike> StingRay_ yeah a macro lense and eggs burning on the stow ;=
Jan 04 03:57:03 <svearike> StingRay_ plus it was dark as ... really dark :D
Jan 04 03:57:26 <StingRay_> get some flashes
Jan 04 03:57:32 <svearike> StingRay_ it was just a "concept" picture, I have a friend who's doing the final works
Jan 04 03:58:02 <svearike> StingRay_ we actually have a proper flash for that one ;) it's a somewhat expensive "systemkamera", but the flash was not on :)
Jan 04 03:58:02 <StingRay_> d40 eh
Jan 04 03:58:27 <StingRay_> I have a few canons around, got a now old 5dmk2
Jan 04 03:58:48 <StingRay_> but I also have and would use a mix of serious lighting for this
Jan 04 03:58:51 <svearike> I should have used the tripod so I could get focus on the entire scene, but it was done in about 5 seconds :)
Jan 04 03:59:09 <StingRay_> so can loose the open aperture and DOF
Jan 04 03:59:24 <svearike> I might have spent around 1 hour doing the sprite and 5 seconds taking the picture..
Jan 04 03:59:52 <StingRay_> like the idea though, rapid prototyping
Jan 04 03:59:53 <StingRay_> nice
Jan 04 03:59:55 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 03:59:59 <StingRay_> get some sleep!
Jan 04 04:00:10 <StingRay_> I'm off for more coffee!!!
Jan 04 04:00:41 <svearike> lol @ coffee :)
Jan 04 04:00:51 <svearike> see you around, thanks again for the help :)
Jan 04 04:12:31 <str8uplinux> is there a way to use a custom font from the assets folder such as (assets/somefont.tff) in a home screen widget?
Jan 04 04:27:43 <maslen> Is there a Java equivalent of the C++ method modifier "const", that declares that that method doesn't modify the object?
Jan 04 04:36:09 <AmandaC> maslen: final, maybe? I'm still fuzzy on what exactly final does
Jan 04 04:36:31 <xorgate> final means you can assign it once
Jan 04 04:37:03 <maslen> AmandaC: There isn't. I asked in #java :)
Jan 04 04:37:47 <maslen> xorgate is correct. for a field, final means it can be assigned once. For a class, that it can't be inherited.
Jan 04 04:37:59 <AmandaC> I see
Jan 04 04:38:51 <maslen> I liked const in C++ :( It means that you can enforce compile-time checking that objects aren't modified :(
Jan 04 04:39:03 <AmandaC> anyway, my brain is too overloaded to think, night 'droid
Jan 04 04:39:17 <maslen> gnight AmandaC
Jan 04 04:46:15 <g00s> anyone know what the Leikr sports watch is running ?
Jan 04 04:47:33 <xorgate> i have one of those sony watches
Jan 04 04:48:03 <xorgate> not very impressive though
Jan 04 04:48:36 <xorgate> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/03/kickstarter-leikr-is-an-openstreetmap-gps-sports-watch-with-a-two-inch-colour-screen/screen-shot-2013-01-03-at-15-27-35/
Jan 04 04:48:51 <g00s> this seems like a sports watch only, like the Garmin Fenix
Jan 04 04:57:57 <QubeZ> yo g00s
Jan 04 05:09:45 <g00s> hey QubeZ
Jan 04 05:09:54 <g00s> how is todomapr doing ?
Jan 04 05:13:25 <QubeZ> not bad, 2200 dl's
Jan 04 05:13:41 <QubeZ> getting some buzz, as far as Flurry is showing me its being used a lot (actively)
Jan 04 05:13:52 <g00s> great ! and you wrote server side pieces too right ?
Jan 04 05:14:21 <QubeZ> not yet, my web service guy wants to wait til it gets some more steam before rolling out web services
Jan 04 05:14:35 <QubeZ> he's still tinkering with diff technologies because he can't decide how he wants to write it
Jan 04 05:14:51 <QubeZ> although logically, we know what we want to do as well as the business model
Jan 04 05:14:59 <g00s> does it sync to some cloud thing, or is it completely independent ?
Jan 04 05:15:09 <g00s> (right now)
Jan 04 05:15:22 <QubeZ> right now, it doens't sync except for the google tasks piece
Jan 04 05:15:34 <QubeZ> eventually it'll sync to our web service where you can share tasks
Jan 04 05:16:13 <QubeZ> got a lot of work to do but I'm going to try and balance between TDM and my fascination with Arduino
Jan 04 05:16:43 <g00s> heh, hevent used arduino but embedded stuff is fun
Jan 04 05:17:13 <g00s> oracle was porting the jvm to arm, and they were using the rasperry pi as their first target
Jan 04 05:17:14 <QubeZ> yea it looks really neat. I'm not focusing on the Android+Arduino part yet, just want to learn Arduino
Jan 04 05:17:25 <g00s> kinda wonder if i can use clojure on a raspberry pi eventually :)
Jan 04 05:17:31 <QubeZ> I need to order the Pi
Jan 04 05:20:44 <g00s> they have a new manual http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2965
Jan 04 05:21:19 <QubeZ> I just want it for XBMC
Jan 04 05:33:15 <StingRay_> QubeZ not impressed with the pi for xbmc
Jan 04 05:33:42 <StingRay_> tis slow, laggy, no dts, and finiky on 1080p streams
Jan 04 06:06:01 <Pfhoenix> so, I'm playing with sorting out the calling sequence for touch events, and I'm noticing that even if the touch doesn't move anywhere, immediately after an ACTION_DOWN or ACTION_POINTER_DOWN event, an ACTION_MOVE event gets posted for every pointer that freshly is down
Jan 04 06:06:13 <Pfhoenix> my question is - if the pointer isn't moving, why is a MOVE event posted?
Jan 04 06:07:15 <Anthaas> What are you trying to do? Something when the user pressed something, or completes a gesture?
Jan 04 06:07:33 <Pfhoenix> I'm writing my own comprehensive gesture processing class
Jan 04 06:08:04 <Pfhoenix> so instead of fighting trying to use both GestureDetector and ScaleGestureDetector, my own class will also track things like two-finger taps, drags, and three-finger versions as well
Jan 04 06:08:26 <Pfhoenix> I'm just curious as to why MOVE events get posted immediately after DOWN events when the pointers haven't moved
Jan 04 06:09:09 <Anthaas> Hmm, by pointer you mean the co-ordinates that a touch was generated?
Jan 04 06:09:18 <StingRay_> I would assume as a "start" of a possible continued move
Jan 04 06:09:55 <StingRay_> or the start of a move event series would have no.....start
Jan 04 06:09:56 <Anthaas> It could either be as StingRay_ suggested, or when generating the touch, you are minutely moving your finger which is being picked up on?
Jan 04 06:10:28 <Pfhoenix> dunno, I'm tapping as quickly as I can
Jan 04 06:11:14 <Pfhoenix> when testing a two-finger tap, I see in order : DOWN, MOVE, POINTER_DOWN, MOVE, POINTER_UP, UP
Jan 04 06:11:18 <Pfhoenix> every time
Jan 04 06:11:47 <Pfhoenix> I guess I'll just have to have a threshold of movement before I start tracking a drag movement
Jan 04 06:11:57 <Anthaas> This would be a good idea to try
Jan 04 06:12:07 <Anthaas> This would at least eliminate the latter of my suggestions
Jan 04 06:12:49 <Anthaas> Technically though, the program is right.
Jan 04 06:13:07 <Anthaas> As StringRay_ said, when you put your finger down, technically that is a move from being off of the screen to on the screen.
Jan 04 06:13:24 <Pfhoenix> I'm double-checking the actual touch coordinates now
Jan 04 06:15:59 <Pfhoenix> interesting
Jan 04 06:16:10 <Pfhoenix> I was able to tap fast enough to not get the MOVE events
Jan 04 06:16:14 <Pfhoenix> so maybe I just have the shakes.
Jan 04 06:16:50 <Anthaas> Yeah, so it was what I said. If you put in the threshold as you mentioned you could minimise that
Jan 04 06:17:00 <Anthaas> You don't want it to be too big though such that you miss genuine gestures.
Jan 04 06:17:04 <Pfhoenix> yeah, that'll be necessary
Jan 04 06:17:11 <Pfhoenix> a threshold of 1-2 pixels ought to be ok
Jan 04 06:17:15 <Pfhoenix> I'll have to test it
Jan 04 06:17:21 <StingRay_> doubt it would
Jan 04 06:17:33 <StingRay_> the accuracy on capacative is not up to that
Jan 04 06:17:38 <StingRay_> capacitive
Jan 04 06:17:41 <Pfhoenix> 1-2 pixels?
Jan 04 06:17:44 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 04 06:17:53 <Pfhoenix> well, I'll be able to test it
Jan 04 06:18:07 <StingRay_> I've encountered it b4
Jan 04 06:18:13 <StingRay_> on a signature strip
Jan 04 06:18:25 <StingRay_> there are also youtube technical tests
Jan 04 06:18:31 <StingRay_> iphone,htc etc
Jan 04 06:19:01 <StingRay_> you will also have to account for "unintended" breaks in the touch
Jan 04 06:19:07 <StingRay_> that are not really breaks
Jan 04 06:19:22 <StingRay_> just crappiness of the sensor array on the screen
Jan 04 06:19:31 <Pfhoenix> we'll see
Jan 04 06:19:33 <StingRay_> faster the motion, more the breaks
Jan 04 06:19:47 <StingRay_> somewhat of a prob with signatures ;)
Jan 04 06:20:30 <Pfhoenix> that's an issue of sensor frequency
Jan 04 06:20:52 <Pfhoenix> that can be accounted for with interpolation if necessary
Jan 04 06:20:58 <StingRay_> yeah but accuracy on continued motion is also
Jan 04 06:21:04 <StingRay_> for me those were the 2
Jan 04 06:21:11 <Pfhoenix> alright
Jan 04 06:21:14 <StingRay_> up does not mean the finger left
Jan 04 06:21:29 <StingRay_> and you never get a straight line
Jan 04 06:21:37 <Pfhoenix> once I have this generally working, I'll play with that
Jan 04 06:21:40 <StingRay_> depending on quality of tablet
Jan 04 06:21:44 <StingRay_> or phone
Jan 04 06:21:50 <Pfhoenix> can mitigate that with a time check on the events
Jan 04 06:22:04 <Pfhoenix> if a down within a certain timeframe, continue the gesture instead of stopping it
Jan 04 06:22:17 <StingRay_> suppose with gestures yeah, was a pain with signatures though
Jan 04 06:22:33 <StingRay_> cause some people have wicked ass signature motions
Jan 04 06:22:35 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 06:22:43 <ron_frow_> OI
Jan 04 06:22:47 <g00s> oi!
Jan 04 06:23:21 <Pfhoenix> right, I imagine handling capturing signatures means you need a lot more precision in accounting for user weirdness
Jan 04 06:23:48 <g00s> Pfhoenix: there are 3rd party components that do this, no need to write your own
Jan 04 06:23:54 <StingRay_> well it's ok to draw and interpolate movement into presentable strokes
Jan 04 06:24:26 <StingRay_> harder to do it to recognise when there is a user break and when there is not
Jan 04 06:24:31 <ron_frow_> I wrote my own and it works good =)
Jan 04 06:24:53 <StingRay_> mine works ok, not great but ok
Jan 04 06:24:56 <ron_frow_> the thing is if you are dealing with even remotely questionable signatures, you are going to need to capture as much biometric data as possible
Jan 04 06:25:21 <g00s> like blood and dna samples
Jan 04 06:25:21 <ron_frow_> also, you need to make it so signature is only valid on document they signed, eg encoded with document hash or something
Jan 04 06:26:01 <ron_frow_> with resistive you need pressure sensitivity, and both you'll need to keep signature strokes, and timing info
Jan 04 06:26:34 <g00s> >.>
Jan 04 06:27:11 <ron_frow_> those arent requirements, but just more fuel for the fire if people try to question authenticity
Jan 04 06:27:20 <StingRay_> ron_frow_ i used speed as width to make it look better
Jan 04 06:27:23 <ron_frow_> I build stuff for this for realestate world lifetimes ago
Jan 04 06:27:43 <StingRay_> on capitative
Jan 04 06:28:16 <Pfhoenix> yeah, I'm not going anywhere near signature capturing
Jan 04 06:28:25 <Pfhoenix> I just want full control over the gesture handling
Jan 04 06:28:48 <StingRay_> isnt that one of the main sdk samples ?
Jan 04 06:28:55 <StingRay_> gesture control/recorder etc
Jan 04 06:29:05 <ron_frow_> yeah
Jan 04 06:29:10 <ron_frow_> but thats not necessarily the same thing
Jan 04 06:29:25 <ron_frow_> and thats really gesture matching
Jan 04 06:29:29 <ron_frow_> eg, you have to prerecord it
Jan 04 06:29:37 <ron_frow_> you can use gesturedetector to handle the usual suspects
Jan 04 06:29:51 <ron_frow_> pinchzoom/pan/tap/doubletap etc
Jan 04 06:30:09 <Pfhoenix> my problem with GestureDetector is that it doesn't do two-finger versions
Jan 04 06:30:36 <Pfhoenix> and if you want to couple that with ScaleGestureDetector, half the functionality of SGD has to be done manually just to make sure you aren't scaling when you want to two-finger swipe
Jan 04 06:31:23 <g00s> ron_frow_: i would think its very difficult. i know when i use a stylus or whatnot, my signature comes out like crap because the different friction between the screen and stylus; and this is coefficient is different on almost every dice
Jan 04 06:31:25 <g00s> *device
Jan 04 06:31:42 <ron_frow_> there are things you can do to clean that part up
Jan 04 06:31:55 <ron_frow_> and thats the point of the biometrics... I sign my name diff every single time
Jan 04 06:31:57 <ron_frow_> ever so slightly
Jan 04 06:32:11 <ron_frow_> but there are DEF charactaristics that could used to validate authenticity
Jan 04 06:32:16 <g00s> well, in my case, my paper and 'stylus' versions are so different
Jan 04 06:32:27 <g00s> dont see how they can be compared
Jan 04 06:32:28 <ron_frow_> I imagine thats typical of everyone
Jan 04 06:32:39 <g00s> and seriously, is anyone even doing this in biometrics ?
Jan 04 06:32:48 <g00s> i dont think so
Jan 04 06:32:53 <ron_frow_> uhh yes
Jan 04 06:33:04 <ron_frow_> topaz sig capture devices record all that shit
Jan 04 06:33:20 <ron_frow_> maybe that security isnt needed for whatever that person is doing
Jan 04 06:33:54 <ron_frow_> ultimately the only real REQUIREMENTS were some way to tie a "e sig" to a particular resource, and changing of that resource invalidates the esig
Jan 04 06:34:07 <ron_frow_> I was dealing realestate contracts etc
Jan 04 06:35:40 <linuxuz3r> sqlite included in sdk or ndk?
Jan 04 06:36:10 <g00s> linuxuz3r: hmm, no
Jan 04 06:38:38 <wabz> the samsung spen sdk has signature verification stuff
Jan 04 06:38:48 <wabz> haven't tried  it though
Jan 04 06:39:33 <g00s> thanks wabz, good to know
Jan 04 06:39:41 <g00s> still wondering how widespread it is though
Jan 04 06:39:49 <g00s> (usefulness)
Jan 04 06:43:12 <g00s> ron_frow_: what do you think of the Ubuntu mobile thing ?
Jan 04 06:44:30 <Exano> Hey guys..odd question, but does anyone have any good articles on ..well more or less an intro to marketting and getting exposure? :P I've got a handful of apps and a few more on the dock that I want to start pushing and getting out there and I'm just at a loss at the moment for how, though I suppose thats the trick...
Jan 04 06:45:07 <ron_frow_> g00s - I'm torn... looks like theres jack shit all for documentation / support
Jan 04 06:45:17 <ron_frow_> however I've been fond of the idea of a primarily c++ dev platform
Jan 04 06:45:33 <g00s> i'm excited but not optimistic ; but the guy is smart
Jan 04 06:45:34 <ron_frow_> afterall ios is doing well with a c++ subset
Jan 04 06:45:54 <ron_frow_> as good as java can make up for its vm
Jan 04 06:45:56 <squ> how to drop database?
Jan 04 06:46:03 <ron_frow_> c++ has much more potential
Jan 04 06:46:12 <Anthaas> squ: context?
Jan 04 06:46:19 <squ> Anthaas, by sql
Jan 04 06:46:23 <g00s> what i think is the coolest is that its a full blown linux box basically; you can plug it into a monitor and go nuts with kb & mouse
Jan 04 06:47:13 <Anthaas> squ: DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS <db_name>
Jan 04 06:47:19 <ron_frow_> I really really dont like it if it uses x
Jan 04 06:47:23 <ron_frow_> if it uses x, fuck it
Jan 04 06:47:26 <ron_frow_> not gonna even touch it
Jan 04 06:47:32 <g00s> wouldn't it use wayland ?
Jan 04 06:47:41 <ron_frow_> I'd certainly hope so
Jan 04 06:47:43 <ron_frow_> but who knows
Jan 04 06:47:43 <g00s> yeah, i have no idea
Jan 04 06:47:46 <Pfhoenix> so, if onTouch doesn't refire itself, how do apps normally check for long presses?
Jan 04 06:48:17 <ron_frow_> if it uses wayland, I'd say it could be pretty damned impressive
Jan 04 06:48:54 <ron_frow_> I suspect part of apples success gathering adoption was that they basically forced people into crapjectivec
Jan 04 06:48:55 <g00s> damn it, if only linux had photoshop
Jan 04 06:49:24 <g00s> if it did, i could go back to linux no problems. now using mac :(
Jan 04 06:49:27 <Maziz> gimp?
Jan 04 06:49:31 <g00s> fuck that
Jan 04 06:49:34 <g00s> :)
Jan 04 06:49:35 <ron_frow_> gimp is a sorry comparison
Jan 04 06:49:36 <Maziz> ?
Jan 04 06:49:38 <g00s> i use gimp
Jan 04 06:49:45 <Fandroid> What's wrong with OS X?
Jan 04 06:49:54 <g00s> nothing
Jan 04 06:49:58 <squ> Anthaas, this doesnt work
Jan 04 06:50:20 <ron_frow_> meh
Jan 04 06:50:27 <ron_frow_> I'm not impressed with where apple is going with it
Jan 04 06:50:27 <Anthaas> What SQL are you using?
Jan 04 06:50:35 <Anthaas> squ: What I gave you was MySQL
Jan 04 06:50:36 <ron_frow_> forcing/bullying people into stuff
Jan 04 06:50:38 <g00s> i really only need OO, LightRoom, and Mathematica.
Jan 04 06:50:40 <ron_frow_> pushing app store ont hem
Jan 04 06:50:40 <squ> DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS 'abc';
Jan 04 06:50:53 <squ> DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS 'latvenergo';
Jan 04 06:50:53 <squ> Error: near "DATABASE": syntax error
Jan 04 06:51:26 <cxeq> anyone able to help me figure out why my shitty layout displays differently on virtually every device despite lacking any use of pixels or non-relative units
Jan 04 06:52:08 <squ> I'm using adb shell, then sqlite3 to the database
Jan 04 06:52:33 <g00s> cxeq: ADT has a new function that previews your layout in a bunch of configurations. maybe that would help ?
Jan 04 06:53:37 <g00s> ron_frow_: i was wrong; looks like sig verification was used in voter fraud … i thought this biometric technique kinda fell out of favor
Jan 04 06:54:02 <linuxuz3r> are the rumors true that there will be an ubuntu phone os?
Jan 04 06:54:10 <ron_frow_> uhh already in existence
Jan 04 06:54:14 <Anthaas> squ: So, do you want the shell command or the SQL?
Jan 04 06:54:15 <ron_frow_> already announced
Jan 04 06:54:17 <g00s> linuxuz3r: you would like that :) (given your nick)
Jan 04 06:54:28 <squ> Anthaas, sql :)
Jan 04 06:54:57 <linuxuz3r> well if its affordable and compatible with my phone yes
Jan 04 06:55:38 <g00s> they did say its compatible with android drivers; so if you can get the drivers seems like somebody will cook a rom for your phone
Jan 04 06:56:19 <g00s> i'm sure the modding community will go nuts
Jan 04 06:56:30 <Anthaas> squ: The SQL I gave you should work, Im unsure why it doesnt? :S
Jan 04 06:57:04 <squ> Anthaas, me either
Jan 04 06:57:30 <g00s> there is no DROP DATABASE In sqlite
Jan 04 06:57:41 <g00s> you delete the file
Jan 04 06:57:44 <squ> ok
Jan 04 06:57:47 <squ> thank you
Jan 04 06:58:07 <Anthaas> Oh of course lmfao
Jan 04 06:58:16 <Anthaas> I need to sleep, its 7am hahaha
Jan 04 06:58:29 <cxeq> g00s: this is what it looks like :x http://puu.sh/1JiYc
Jan 04 06:58:44 <squ> g00s, does android's "clear data" delete database files?
Jan 04 06:58:59 <yuvipanda> hello everyone
Jan 04 06:59:04 <Anthaas> Yes. SQU, unless they are part of the APK.
Jan 04 06:59:08 <yuvipanda> i'm trying to compile LatinIME
Jan 04 06:59:09 <g00s> squ: hmm, dunno. wouldn't that be the cache ?
Jan 04 06:59:18 <yuvipanda> mostly done, except that I'm running into a linker error with the NDK bist
Jan 04 06:59:20 <yuvipanda> *bits
Jan 04 06:59:21 <yuvipanda> http://pastebin.com/YwtMXTHT
Jan 04 06:59:25 <yuvipanda> suggestions?
Jan 04 07:00:08 <squ> g00s, gonna try it
Jan 04 07:03:11 <cxeq> i dont understand why it would look so on every device-- i would create different layouts-large -small etc but shouldnt it display fine because all i use is dp / sp / stuff
Jan 04 07:03:42 <squ> $ cd data; ls
Jan 04 07:03:42 <squ> opendir failed, Permission denied
Jan 04 07:03:51 <StingRay_> cxeq when you say displays different, what do you mean ?
Jan 04 07:04:10 <squ> can't shell to device?
Jan 04 07:04:13 <StingRay_> different in what way? or what is it that is unexpected ?
Jan 04 07:04:31 <g00s> ron_frow_: does IntelliJ have this feature? http://puu.sh/1JiYc
Jan 04 07:04:42 <ron_frow_> uhh I dont know
Jan 04 07:05:07 <g00s> the preview in different configs
Jan 04 07:05:11 <g00s> seems very useful
Jan 04 07:05:38 <cxeq> sry
Jan 04 07:06:11 <squ> g00s, ye, it does
Jan 04 07:06:13 <cxeq> note that i have seperate resources for all dpis
Jan 04 07:06:15 <squ> Anthaas, thank you
Jan 04 07:06:36 <g00s> squ: cool, thanks
Jan 04 07:06:51 <StingRay_> cxeq you still havent said what is unexpected ? or did i miss it ?
Jan 04 07:07:19 <StingRay_> "looks different" is hard to visualise
Jan 04 07:07:22 <ron_frow_> squ more than the drop downs to flip
Jan 04 07:07:22 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 07:07:23 <cxeq> samsung galaxy s3
Jan 04 07:07:25 <cxeq> oops
Jan 04 07:07:29 <ron_frow_> or actually several layouts side by side
Jan 04 07:07:31 <cxeq> http://puu.sh/1JiYc
Jan 04 07:07:37 <cxeq> that's how it looks
Jan 04 07:08:03 <StingRay_> your using textView padding ?
Jan 04 07:08:10 <StingRay_> from a style or manually ?
Jan 04 07:08:48 <cxeq> http://pastebin.com/WVgfmjUQ this is the xml for the page
Jan 04 07:08:50 <StingRay_> not view padding but textView padding
Jan 04 07:09:33 <cxeq> and a visual structure http://puu.sh/1Jj8J
Jan 04 07:09:46 <cxeq> im pretty noob, so expect style errors in there
Jan 04 07:12:01 <StingRay_> cxeq well your using margins on most of your views
Jan 04 07:12:38 <cxeq> yep-- shouldn't that be relative for all devices ?
Jan 04 07:13:34 <StingRay_> well
Jan 04 07:13:49 <StingRay_> relative to the screen metrics
Jan 04 07:14:26 <StingRay_> but I think my point is that your dimensions dont change to compensate
Jan 04 07:15:03 <StingRay_> so 10dp on one screen that takes 10% of the width is not guaranteed to be 10% width of another device
Jan 04 07:15:12 <StingRay_> as is my understanding
Jan 04 07:15:29 <Anthaas> It should be
Jan 04 07:15:33 <Anthaas> 10px wouldnt though
Jan 04 07:15:39 <StingRay_> 10dp wont be
Jan 04 07:15:43 <Anthaas> dp = density-independant pixels.
Jan 04 07:15:47 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 04 07:16:00 <StingRay_> density
Jan 04 07:16:03 <Anthaas> Shouldnt that then take up the same ratio of the screen regardless of device?
Jan 04 07:16:07 <Maziz> yeah
Jan 04 07:16:08 <Anthaas> Oooohh hahaha
Jan 04 07:16:10 <Anthaas> No you are right
Jan 04 07:16:13 <Anthaas> Im so tired
Jan 04 07:16:18 <StingRay_> density != relative %
Jan 04 07:16:22 <Anthaas> Yes
Jan 04 07:16:28 <Maziz> 10 dp in mdpi may become 15 dp in hdpi
Jan 04 07:16:32 <StingRay_> look at the galaxy tab 1st gen for a manuf. fkup
Jan 04 07:16:33 <Anthaas> I haven't slept so my brain is running at like 10%
Jan 04 07:16:44 <StingRay_> same here bud
Jan 04 07:16:51 <JakeWharton> Maziz: no, 10dp in mdpi is 10dp in hdpi
Jan 04 07:16:52 <cxeq> how am i meant to do relative distances then ?
Jan 04 07:16:54 <g00s> thats good, even on full sleep my brain runs on 2%
Jan 04 07:16:56 <StingRay_> tis 7am here... been up since yesterday
Jan 04 07:17:01 <Maziz> oh
Jan 04 07:17:02 <Maziz> sorry
Jan 04 07:17:05 <JakeWharton> Maziz: perhaps you mean 10px and 15px
Jan 04 07:17:05 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 07:17:06 <Maziz> pixel wise
Jan 04 07:17:06 <Maziz> ~_~
Jan 04 07:17:12 <StingRay_> neways
Jan 04 07:17:12 <Maziz> yeah yeah
Jan 04 07:17:13 <Maziz> pixel
Jan 04 07:17:19 <Anthaas> This is why, as a general rule, when using images you should create one size and scale it according to display metrics rather than making all MDPI screens use one size, LDPI another etc
Jan 04 07:17:31 <StingRay_> ^
Jan 04 07:17:32 <Maziz> using dp will translate pixel accordingly
Jan 04 07:17:51 <Maziz> thanks JakeWharton
Jan 04 07:18:09 <StingRay_> so dp is no guarentee of xx number of pixels or % width etc
Jan 04 07:18:11 <Anthaas> StingRay UK too?
Jan 04 07:18:13 <cxeq> what do you mean exactly? I have appropriately sized images for every dpi
Jan 04 07:18:14 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 04 07:18:16 <StingRay_> UK
Jan 04 07:18:22 <Anthaas> North? South?
Jan 04 07:18:30 <StingRay_> come from north
Jan 04 07:18:32 <socket> hi, i've got different dimen values for ldpi/mdpi/hdpi/xhdpi which work fine one phone. but when a low res tablet is running my app it goes to the mdpi values. so a big tablet screen gets small dimen values. is there a solution for that?
Jan 04 07:18:33 <StingRay_> down south atm
Jan 04 07:18:39 <Anthaas> Im the opposite hahaha
Jan 04 07:18:42 <p_l> well... England North, or Scotland North? There's difference ;)
Jan 04 07:18:59 <Anthaas> socket: Big screen does not mean higher DPI.
Jan 04 07:19:14 <Anthaas> It is generally the way it works but there are exceptions.
Jan 04 07:19:46 <Anthaas> StingRay_: Im from Somerset, living in West Yorkshire :P
Jan 04 07:19:53 <StingRay_> best way is to either code mod the dimension or create best guess dimens for each qualifier type
Jan 04 07:20:10 <StingRay_> Anthaas I am in mk but hometown is wakefield
Jan 04 07:20:20 <socket> Anthaas: so how should i support tablets? find the resolution in real time and adjust?
Jan 04 07:20:31 <Anthaas> socket: Exactly.
Jan 04 07:20:44 <Anthaas> socket: Use display metrics to work out a ratio of adjustment, and adjust accordingly.
Jan 04 07:20:49 * Leeds waves
Jan 04 07:21:09 <Anthaas> StingRay_: Yeovil > Huddersfield for me.
Jan 04 07:21:30 <StingRay_> i used to live outside hudders
Jan 04 07:21:34 <StingRay_> kirkburton
Jan 04 07:21:40 <StingRay_> for a few years
Jan 04 07:21:42 <ron_frow_> oi leeds
Jan 04 07:21:45 <Anthaas> Near Storthes Hall? :P Stayed there first year of Uni.
Jan 04 07:22:01 <cxeq> is there some guide to help me code mod the dimensions then?
Jan 04 07:22:05 <StingRay_> indeed but I was not a student :)
Jan 04 07:22:13 <cxeq> or is it better to create layout-large -medium -etc
Jan 04 07:22:18 <Anthaas> cxeq: You should be able to easily find one on stack overflow.
Jan 04 07:22:22 <Leeds> bloody southerns invading the Republic of Yorkshire :)
Jan 04 07:22:24 <StingRay_> cxeq look up display metric calc
Jan 04 07:22:36 <belgianguy> eek
Jan 04 07:23:09 <Anthaas> StingRay_: The Spring pub at the bottom of the hill was a frequent place to go for us. Cheap as chips...
Jan 04 07:23:17 <belgianguy> Google Translate says "he now praised the iPad" if you enter "filled with"
Jan 04 07:23:22 <cxeq> ugh this seems like it is going to be pretty tedious x.x
Jan 04 07:23:24 <belgianguy> http://translate.google.com.mx/?hl=en#auto/en/filled%20with
Jan 04 07:23:55 <Anthaas> cxeq: its easier than it looks. Plus, you can make the method reusable in a base activity class
Jan 04 07:24:03 <Leeds> belgianguy: no it doesn't...
Jan 04 07:24:21 <belgianguy> Leeds: do you get the American female voice?
Jan 04 07:24:31 <belgianguy> the UK male one doesn't have it, but it sure does it
Jan 04 07:24:37 <Leeds> oh, 'says' as in 'speaks' - didn't try that
Jan 04 07:26:30 <belgianguy> some training data snuck by I guess
Jan 04 07:27:14 <cxeq> ok all i shall go take a shower and then have a bit more of a look at this
Jan 04 07:27:25 <cxeq> dont worry ill be bothering you with stupid questions again soon xD
Jan 04 07:27:27 <cxeq> thanks all
Jan 04 07:27:34 <Anthaas> Im off to bed, my eyes are screaming at me.
Jan 04 07:28:08 <Anthaas> Cya
Jan 04 07:29:07 <belgianguy> Leeds: this is the matching bug :) http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=38538
Jan 04 07:30:28 <StingRay_> Anthaas Spring Grove ?
Jan 04 07:44:12 <squ> looks like its easier to use one database per table with SQLiteOpenHelper ?
Jan 04 07:44:31 <p_l> ... the fuck?
Jan 04 07:44:35 <squ> :)
Jan 04 07:44:51 <squ> I create class for each table, where I have onCreate
Jan 04 07:45:13 <p_l> squ: nope, that means failing relational databases and ORM 101
Jan 04 07:45:19 <squ> :)
Jan 04 07:45:41 <p_l> only makes sense if you're using the database as simple k-v store
Jan 04 07:45:51 <ron_frow_> oh god
Jan 04 07:45:56 <ron_frow_> oh god oh god oh god
Jan 04 07:46:07 <ron_frow_> squ dont do it
Jan 04 07:46:21 <squ> it is kinda very easy
Jan 04 07:46:45 <squ> database will be created if table does not exist
Jan 04 07:46:59 <p_l> squ: as I said, unless you're using SQLite only because there's no built-in k-v database, then you're doing it very, very, very wrong
Jan 04 07:48:53 <squ> so I have to use one SQLiteOpenHelper extending class for both tables
Jan 04 07:49:11 <ron_frow_> what exactly are we aiming to achive
Jan 04 07:49:14 <ron_frow_> achieve
Jan 04 07:51:02 <squ> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html
Jan 04 07:51:14 <squ> "consider having one separate class per table as best practice"
Jan 04 07:58:01 <g00s> squ: 1 helper per db; haven't we covered this already?
Jan 04 07:58:09 <squ> :)
Jan 04 08:02:50 <p_l> g00s: hey
Jan 04 08:02:58 <g00s> hey p_l
Jan 04 08:03:18 <g00s> i saw a new book that caught my eye; might be basic but was shocked it uses prolog
Jan 04 08:03:25 <g00s> well, maybe i should not be shocked
Jan 04 08:03:37 <p_l> squ: have the SQLite helper referenced by table-related classes
Jan 04 08:03:54 <p_l> heh. Well, prolog is nice
Jan 04 08:03:59 <p_l> I hope to learn it a bit this year
Jan 04 08:06:36 <canadiancow> g0000s
Jan 04 08:06:43 <g00s> hey canadiancow :)
Jan 04 08:07:05 <canadiancow> im actually about to go to bed
Jan 04 08:07:11 <canadiancow> i was working for like a long time
Jan 04 08:07:13 <canadiancow> and then i went shopping
Jan 04 08:07:13 <squ> this one's landing was done by prolog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)
Jan 04 08:07:17 <canadiancow> then i went home and continued "working"
Jan 04 08:07:21 <canadiancow> too much android D:
Jan 04 08:07:53 <p_l> squ: well, by a variant of prolog
Jan 04 08:07:58 <g00s> canadiancow: if you want a change in scenery, you can join the google iOS team :D
Jan 04 08:08:15 <canadiancow> :|
Jan 04 08:08:27 <canadiancow> that would sure stop the problem of me working more than 40 hour weeks :P
Jan 04 08:08:29 <p_l> Buran was a very... interesting system. Way ahead of its time, like surprisingly lots of stuff in various archives of space agencies
Jan 04 08:08:50 <squ> result is still not achieved
Jan 04 08:09:20 <p_l> Well, Buran system (not just the orbiter) was rather military in nature
Jan 04 08:09:31 <p_l> though it could just as well do wide range of civilian works
Jan 04 08:10:09 <canadiancow> anyway gnight
Jan 04 08:10:23 <squ> I mean automatic landing of iron :)
Jan 04 08:10:41 <squ> last shuttle was landed by human
Jan 04 08:11:05 <socket> is there a way to contact google about nasty comments/review i get from the competition?
Jan 04 08:11:08 <p_l> squ: there's a Boeing-made shuttle that did a fully autonomic flight... circa 2009? maybe later
Jan 04 08:11:15 <p_l> bit long since Buran did the same ;P
Jan 04 08:11:26 <g00s> gnight canadiancow
Jan 04 08:11:32 <p_l> canadiancow: 'night
Jan 04 08:11:49 <Leeds> socket: report them using the market 'report comment' stuff, wait for someone to get around to reviewing
Jan 04 08:11:52 <g00s> socket: i guess you see who it is with the new G+ profiles, right ?
Jan 04 08:11:57 <squ> p_l, do you know what they used?
Jan 04 08:12:01 <Syzygy> I have a video activity with an onCompletionListener and if I'm not mistaken I need to do "setOnCompletionListener(this);" in the onCreate() method, but this method isn't recognized, what am I doing wrong?
Jan 04 08:12:11 <p_l> squ: probably C++ or Ada :)
Jan 04 08:12:13 <squ> I read somewhere that curiosity is using siemens simulation software
Jan 04 08:12:15 <socket> g00s: yeah, some fake profiles....
Jan 04 08:12:50 <socket> thanks Leeds
Jan 04 08:13:02 <g00s> socket: how did you tie those profiles to the competitor though ?
Jan 04 08:13:23 <vudu> I have a listview. I used listSelector and choiceMode set to single choice. But when I touch an item on the listview all the list gets selected. What could be the problem?
Jan 04 08:13:45 <Leeds> g00s: only competitors would be so rude
Jan 04 08:14:10 <socket> only a competitor would rate one star for something that says 'needs more work'
Jan 04 08:14:17 <g00s> :( that sucks
Jan 04 08:14:21 <socket> i've been getting those comments for a few days
Jan 04 08:14:24 <squ> p_l, http://blog.industrysoftware.automation.siemens.com/blog/2012/08/06/nasa-jpl-mars-curiosity-rover/
Jan 04 08:14:30 <p_l> ... I think someone is naive here
Jan 04 08:14:46 <g00s> that would be me :)
Jan 04 08:15:02 <k0nichiwa> in what part of the life cycle of an activity is it safe to show an alert dialog ? i just got a crash trying to show one after ondestroy
Jan 04 08:15:05 <g00s> i haven't been in that situation with ratings yet, fortunately
Jan 04 08:15:15 <p_l> squ: NX and PLM is pretty fine software for *designing* hardware :)
Jan 04 08:15:21 <k0nichiwa> ok, that makes sense, but now i wonder if its safe to show one from oncreate or before you get onstart
Jan 04 08:15:34 <socket> Leeds: the report comment feature is that in the developers console? or google play?
Jan 04 08:16:41 <Leeds> good question... have you looked?
Jan 04 08:17:13 <zhangxaochen> i add project B to A's java build path, and imported packageB in my A.java, but why still got java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError ?
Jan 04 08:17:52 <socket> Leeds: yes, theres a spam button on play.. but on play i can view only comments with a high rating... developer console has  nothing...
Jan 04 08:19:05 <Leeds> erm... can you view the comments that you're trying to report, or not?
Jan 04 08:19:55 <Syzygy> can someone confirm that I need to do something like setOnCompleteListener(this) for the onCompleteListener?
Jan 04 08:20:24 <socket> Leeds: only in the developers console
Jan 04 08:20:30 <zhangxaochen> like this:  http://img.itc.cn/photo/ocSAPvrIfKb, and the error msg is: 01-04 16:04:36.466: E/dalvikvm(9309): Could not find class 'com.example.mysensorlistener.MySensorListener', referenced from method com.example.huaweiproj.HuaweiProj.<init>
Jan 04 08:20:34 <socket> which has no report button
Jan 04 08:20:38 <zhangxaochen> hope anybody could help me~~
Jan 04 08:21:02 <Leeds> socket: you can't see the reviews on-device?
Jan 04 08:21:54 <socket> Leeds: no, not the comment itself. but i see the bad rating... the 1 star rating
Jan 04 08:22:04 <Leeds> you can't report ratings, just comments
Jan 04 08:23:06 <g00s> heh, cool http://wireframe.cc/
Jan 04 08:23:25 <socket> Leeds: there's also a comment, but it's not visible. i see the comment with the rating in my developer console
Jan 04 08:23:36 <Leeds> I don't believe it's not visible
Jan 04 08:23:49 <Leeds> but then, I also don't believe it's not butter... bugger Friday, I'm going back to bed
Jan 04 08:30:50 <g00s> if you could only buy one android device ; for dev … te cheaper the better (3g not needed) what would you get ? N7 ?
Jan 04 08:31:21 <g00s> time to retire my droid-1
Jan 04 08:31:50 <p_l> g00s: depends... will you develop for back camera stuff, etc.
Jan 04 08:32:01 <p_l> GNex might be cheaply available used
Jan 04 08:33:08 <g00s> p_l: thats the Galaxy Nexus, right ?
Jan 04 08:33:12 <p_l> yes
Jan 04 08:33:23 <p_l> if you want to dev for tablet stuff, I'd go with N7
Jan 04 08:33:51 <p_l> N4 might be good if you don't mind lack of USB storage, but getting it at the official "cheap" price is ... hard
Jan 04 08:34:14 <g00s> getting it at all looks hard :)
Jan 04 08:34:28 <p_l> wheeeee, "scrub repaired 16.9M in 1h32m with 0 errors on Fri Jan  4 09:34:26 2013"
Jan 04 08:34:36 <p_l> My precious data is safe :3
Jan 04 08:35:43 <g00s> gnex : $382 on amazon :|
Jan 04 08:35:50 <p_l> :|
Jan 04 08:35:56 <p_l> well, still cheaper than I paid for my N4 :P
Jan 04 08:36:45 <dan2k3k4> mmm should I fork out for the N4 (possibly on a 2 year contract) or wait another 2 months? (coming from N1...)
Jan 04 08:37:12 <p_l> coming from N1? maaan, that might be a jump (not as big as mine, though :D)
Jan 04 08:38:08 <capella-S3> ?
Jan 04 08:38:20 <dan2k3k4> the N1 is great but starting to show it's age now :( after 4 years...
Jan 04 08:38:27 <dan2k3k4> 3 years
Jan 04 08:38:55 <p_l> I moved from a 2nd gen device (that started out with 1.5, afaik)
Jan 04 08:39:17 <wlad_> I've heard a lot of people compaining about N4 being glossy and stuff
Jan 04 08:39:24 <g00s> p_l: i think once you did that google dropped cupcake off the monthly stats :D
Jan 04 08:39:33 <g00s> you were the last one i think
Jan 04 08:39:56 <p_l> I know people who still had 1.5 quite recently...
Jan 04 08:39:57 <g00s> wlad_: yeah, mah to the glass back
Jan 04 08:40:01 <g00s> *meh
Jan 04 08:40:09 <p_l> dunno if one of my coworkers upgraded hers or not
Jan 04 08:40:18 <p_l> there was official update to 2.1, but not OTA
Jan 04 08:42:09 <k0nichiwa> i had to root my device so i could put 2.3.7 on it
Jan 04 08:42:28 <Syzygy> why not a higher version?
Jan 04 08:42:39 <k0nichiwa> quite nice, tho, the manuf stuck me with a 2.2 that had low battery life
Jan 04 08:42:47 <k0nichiwa> i dont know if moto droid 1 can take a higher version
Jan 04 08:42:50 <belgianguy> k0nichiwa: I started with 2.3.7, but then went to MiniCM (4.1.1)
Jan 04 08:43:02 <belgianguy> k0nichiwa: depends on model ofcource
Jan 04 08:43:05 <k0nichiwa> but 2.3.7 has the features i need to test my latest app on, so i was happy
Jan 04 08:43:06 <belgianguy> of course*
Jan 04 08:43:17 <Syzygy> my galaxy s 2 with 2.3.3 had low battery life as well now i'm on 4.0.something i believe
Jan 04 08:43:27 <Syzygy> it has gotten a little better at least
Jan 04 08:46:35 <Syzygy> I'm trying to play a video but it doesn't seem to work, can someone tell me if my code is wrong or the video can't be played for some reason? code: http://hastebin.com/finabugufu.avrasm video: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31690810/uni/Multimedia/Splashscreen.mp4
Jan 04 08:49:13 <harshamv> How to use notifyDataSetChanged to update the UI in a DialogFragment. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14137760/checkedtextview-oncheckedchangelistener
Jan 04 08:55:26 <valgrind> is it actually possible to scroll a toast if i make a custom one with a view? i see the vertical scrollbar, nevertheless when i touch the screen, it doesnt scroll at all
Jan 04 09:05:05 <p_l> valgrind: I don't think toasts get input events
Jan 04 09:06:06 <valgrind> uhm yea i thought so thx ive just been yelling at my tablet all the time for showing me the scrolllbar but not allowing me to interact with it
Jan 04 09:06:46 <valgrind> i was assuming that creating a custom one, through a view, i could do that, but i couldnt get it to work so...
Jan 04 09:17:43 <preritsrivastava> is it possible to send a USSD request in background in non rooted phone
Jan 04 09:24:07 <ali__> is there a way to animate the leftdrawable of a TextView?
Jan 04 09:35:33 <switchgott> Hello everyone.I hope you could help me.Small question about kernel dev
Jan 04 09:35:38 <MariusKarthaus> I've created a layout that contains two tablelayouts. I want to rescale the column-widths in tableA to the same widths as the corresponding columns in table B. What is the best time to do this / on what callback function should I update the widths?
Jan 04 09:35:43 <switchgott> How can i implement ntfs and exfat inside android kernel?
Jan 04 09:36:20 <p_l> switchgott: by writing normal linux FS drivers
Jan 04 09:36:25 <p_l> nothing extra
Jan 04 09:36:44 <switchgott> Ok, i have working modules, but my kernel wont load them
Jan 04 09:36:56 <p_l> switchgott: because they are for different kernel
Jan 04 09:36:59 <switchgott> texfat: version magic '3.1.10-00016-gca625c5-dirty SMP preempt                                                                                                   mod_unload ARMv7 ' should be '3.1.10-switchgott_0.1+ SMP preempt mod_unload ARM
Jan 04 09:37:15 <switchgott> Thats right, but i guess you know a trick, how to load them?
Jan 04 09:37:28 <p_l> switchgott: recompile the kernel to not check for version magic
Jan 04 09:37:33 <p_l> and hope that nothing burns
Jan 04 09:37:41 <p_l> or recompile the drivers for the kernel
Jan 04 09:37:41 <valgrind> lmao.
Jan 04 09:37:42 <switchgott> Where can i do this?
Jan 04 09:37:45 <p_l> ...
Jan 04 09:37:57 <p_l> switchgott: in kernel's compilation options
Jan 04 09:38:01 <valgrind> i love the burning thing!
Jan 04 09:38:04 <p_l> somewhere close to the top, iirc
Jan 04 09:38:30 <p_l> valgrind: well, there's possibility of actually exploding a phone from kernel space on some, so...
Jan 04 09:39:31 <switchgott> Could you tell me where it is please?
Jan 04 09:41:17 <p_l> switchgott: I do not remember kernel options from memory. Run make menuconfig and find it, it's close to the top of the menu (I think it's the entry below platform selection that contains the necessary option)
Jan 04 09:41:29 <p_l> please refer to any basic kernel compilation howto
Jan 04 09:41:37 <switchgott> module versioning support?
Jan 04 09:41:43 <p_l> yes
Jan 04 09:41:52 <switchgott> Do yes or no?Activate or no?
Jan 04 09:42:07 <p_l> disable
Jan 04 09:42:19 <switchgott> Mh now i need the parameter inside depconfig
Jan 04 09:42:23 <p_l> also, next time, just compile both the modules and kernel together :>
Jan 04 09:42:45 <switchgott> CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
Jan 04 09:42:52 <switchgott> CONFIG_MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL=y
Jan 04 09:42:59 <p_l> those need to be n
Jan 04 09:43:11 <switchgott> Il test t now
Jan 04 09:44:13 <switchgott> ok, i see, inside depconf they are both comment out!
Jan 04 09:44:21 <switchgott> But why ther kernel check the version?
Jan 04 09:44:45 <p_l> check if /proc/config.gz doesn't actually have them as enabled :)
Jan 04 09:46:55 <switchgott> how can i do this?
Jan 04 09:47:04 <p_l> ...
Jan 04 09:47:35 <p_l> on the system running the kernel, check for /proc/config (uncompressed variant) or /proc/config.gz (compressed with gzip)
Jan 04 09:48:07 <p_l> grep them for "CONFIG_MOD.*VERSION.*"
Jan 04 09:48:25 <switchgott> CONFIG_MODULES=y # CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_LOAD is not set CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD=y # CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is not set # CONFIG_MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL is not set
Jan 04 09:52:41 <p_l> hmm... then I do not remember another point it could conflict. I guess you could edit the version strings... but why the hell won't you just prepare a version of the module with apropriate kernel build?
Jan 04 09:52:51 * p_l has ideas why, but doesn't want to air them
Jan 04 09:52:57 <preritsrivastava> Hi guys..can somebody help me with creating USSD requests in my app
Jan 04 09:55:32 <Maziz> USSD?
Jan 04 09:55:58 <Maziz> this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data
Jan 04 09:56:10 <preritsrivastava> Yes
Jan 04 09:57:01 <preritsrivastava> I need to create a unified USSD request that would send all user input in a single request
Jan 04 09:57:11 <preritsrivastava> and receive the final response
Jan 04 09:57:48 <preritsrivastava> like *123*11#
Jan 04 09:58:25 <preritsrivastava> this dials *123 response and then automatically chooses the 11 th option
Jan 04 09:58:33 <preritsrivastava> and returns final respoanse
Jan 04 09:58:36 <preritsrivastava> response
Jan 04 09:58:54 <switchgott> Please contact me privat :-)
Jan 04 09:59:46 <preritsrivastava> sure switchgott
Jan 04 10:00:10 <switchgott> What sure?
Jan 04 10:00:59 <preritsrivastava> i thought the msg was for me
Jan 04 10:04:22 <abhi> why is google not releasing  USSD api ?
Jan 04 10:04:57 <switchgott> P_L have you got a moment for me?
Jan 04 10:05:04 <Ge0rG> security!!1!
Jan 04 10:06:20 <abhi> then why is there an SMS api if security is the concern ? example : SMS banking
Jan 04 10:06:44 <p_l|work> switchgott: nope. I was waiting earlier for the filesystems in my workstation to rebuild properly
Jan 04 10:08:55 <abhi> why is google not releasing  USSD api like SMS api
Jan 04 10:10:01 <p_l|work> I suspect they hoped SIM toolkit would have died already
Jan 04 10:10:33 <switchgott> then could you help me please with ntfs fs?
Jan 04 10:10:37 <switchgott> Thame problem
Jan 04 10:11:05 <p_l|work> switchgott: both problems look like things that would need way more concentration than I can spend
Jan 04 10:12:15 <switchgott> Realy?I cant believe.I guess its only a small think
Jan 04 10:16:42 <abhi> what happens when i set a number in call forwarding options in settings ? does it send a USSD code?
Jan 04 10:16:56 <tneva82> hiya. I have followed http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/ScanningViaIntent <- this page instruction. I get the barcode scanner running(yey) and it even finds the barcode. When the onActivityResult function is called I check the result by calling the toString function of IntentResult class but it claims no content. Just issue with barcode or have I missed something?
Jan 04 10:17:05 <xertoz> is there any way to extend the CalendarView to have data populated in it? what I'm looking for is highlighting specific days by setting their cell background color and custom click events. any ideas?
Jan 04 10:20:15 <p_l|work> switchgott: I'd have to dug out exactly how I did this in the past, while all the time thinking why you don't just recompile/relink the modules (given that Tuxera is well informed about the issues of providing complete binary modules :>)
Jan 04 10:21:38 <switchgott> Oha, not easy i guess?But why it work in other kernels?
Jan 04 10:22:37 <p_l|work> switchgott: because they do the recompilation, using the tools provided by tuxera?
Jan 04 10:23:27 <switchgott> how can i get this one?
Jan 04 10:23:53 <switchgott> How are this tools named?
Jan 04 10:24:15 <p_l|work> dunno, call tuxera, provide contract number and ask for the missing files and docs
Jan 04 10:25:25 <switchgott> I guess they wont help me for private dev!!
Jan 04 10:25:49 <p_l|work> I guess that's what happens when you try loading some company's commercial drivers without license
Jan 04 10:27:02 <switchgott> I know.Id like to try it.Thats all.
Jan 04 10:27:31 <p_l|work> you can try editing the symbol containing the version string, but be careful not to overwrite something else
Jan 04 10:27:33 <switchgott> Ok, other idea.There is the ntfs-3g driver froa drnoid.How can i get it work to automount extrenal hdds and sticks?
Jan 04 10:27:45 <switchgott> How can i do this?
Jan 04 10:28:40 <p_l|work> for ntfs-3g just make sure FUSE works normally and that "mount -t ntfs-3g" gets recognized. It should work (in cases it doesn't, you might need to modify vold, which I know nothing about)
Jan 04 10:32:40 <switchgott> but how can i automatic mount a ssh if its put inside usb?
Jan 04 10:33:25 <switchgott> But please thell me how can i symbol containing the version string edit?
Jan 04 10:38:03 <deam> hi
Jan 04 10:38:07 <deam> I need some design advice..
Jan 04 10:38:22 <deam> I want to create a icon layout similar to this screenshot: http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Big_Launcher_1-600x347.jpg
Jan 04 10:38:48 <deam> whats the best way to accomplish that?
Jan 04 10:38:56 <Ge0rG> cool, senior citizen android!
Jan 04 10:39:12 * Ge0rG would assume gridview for the bottom part
Jan 04 10:40:12 <deam> basically I only want the bottom part
Jan 04 10:40:39 <deam> i've followed this tutorial: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/layout/gridview.html but the icons I have won't scale nicely..
Jan 04 10:42:01 <deam> I tried removeing the layout parameters, and changing the scale type but no luck so far..
Jan 04 10:45:21 <lamanche_> guys, is it possible to change textSize for my Views be default ( not by creating common style and setting it for every view)?
Jan 04 10:45:50 <Leeds> that's what a theme is for, isn't it?
Jan 04 10:46:15 <lamanche_> I'm new to android, but I think 2.2 does not support themes?
Jan 04 10:46:37 <Leeds> I think it does...
Jan 04 10:47:00 <tneva82> nobody can help with the barcode issue? I have tried googling more tutorials regarding using that library but they all basically just repeat same text.
Jan 04 10:47:18 <lamanche_> okay, maybe I should read about this, thanks
Jan 04 10:51:58 <Leeds> tneva82: paste your code?
Jan 04 10:57:00 <Leeds> tneva82: ?
Jan 04 10:57:07 <tneva82> http://pastebin.com/9EzrkFKK <- showMessage just creates dialog with title and text. toString gives response like: Format: null, Contents: null, Raw bytes: (0 bytes) etc
Jan 04 10:57:22 <tneva82> I have tried on about every barcode I have lying around without change
Jan 04 10:57:59 <tneva82> so basically the code from the page with call to dialog to show the toString() method. No help.
Jan 04 10:59:18 <Leeds> have you tried reading the contents of the IntentResult manually?
Jan 04 10:59:40 <Leeds> eh, I don't know
Jan 04 11:00:36 <Leeds> or try - for testing - parsing the Intent itself by hand
Jan 04 11:01:52 <tneva82> I tried to get the contents by .getContent function but result null.
Jan 04 11:17:58 <mandrake`> hi all
Jan 04 11:18:06 <mandrake`> i have a little trouble with styles.xml
Jan 04 11:18:24 <mandrake`> maybe i'm missing something, but i think i'm doing everything i've seen on the examples
Jan 04 11:18:46 <mandrake`> i'm just trying to remove the title bar from all the activities in my application
Jan 04 11:19:49 <mandrake`> so i put <style name="AppTheme" parent="android:style.Theme.NoTitleBar" /> in my style.xml and <application ... android:theme="@styles/AppTheme" ...> in the manifest
Jan 04 11:20:17 <mandrake`> i thought this was supposed to be inherited in all the activities inside the application
Jan 04 11:20:24 <mandrake`> but it seems to be ineffective
Jan 04 11:20:47 <mandrake`> it IS, actually, since i still see the title bar in all the activities
Jan 04 11:21:55 <switchgott> @p_l are you online?
Jan 04 11:22:30 <mandrake`> any idea?
Jan 04 11:30:07 <squ> how to query SQL view?
Jan 04 11:31:23 <ixc> like everything other, just add ur view name after from :)
Jan 04 11:31:39 <squ> but what with column names
Jan 04 11:32:17 <ixc> if you create a view, you should know column names :)
Jan 04 11:32:30 <squ> yep
Jan 04 11:32:53 <squ> view is join of two tables
Jan 04 11:36:04 <zhangxaochen> why the anchor like file:///.../xx.html#yyy of local doc files doesn't work at all?
Jan 04 12:40:26 <switchgott> @d_L i guess this is the problem: tntfs: Unknown symbol __gnu_mcount_nc (err 0)
Jan 04 12:42:20 <tneva82> okay found the reason. my intent is singleinstance(wonder why I put it like that). For some reason the barcode intent doesn't return sensible value when that's going on. Guess I now need to figure a) why I put it to such in a first place b) is there any unintended bug if I remove that. Wouldn't want multiple GPS locations be sent for example.
Jan 04 12:44:19 <tneva82> oh yeah. instantly bug. If I try to press quit button I need to press many many many times before final intent is closed :-/
Jan 04 12:47:30 <valgrind> is there anything like testdroid but free?
Jan 04 12:47:39 <switchgott> Please help!
Jan 04 12:48:52 <mikeyMike> hi do anyone know why in past i could make GPU emulation: yes in emulator and now i can't? When i clicked a "New..." button in Android Virtual Device Manager there is other window than it was recently.
Jan 04 13:06:16 <str8uplinux> I am working on a "days remaining" widget to countown to a specific event. Does it eat a lot of battery if i have a live timer (days:hours:minutes:seconds)? Right now I am just displaying the number of days left, but I feel like it is a little boring since you only see it update once a day.
Jan 04 13:18:38 <funkbox> man i can't wait for nexus 4 to be available again
Jan 04 13:18:45 <funkbox> i'm going to buy the ish out of that
Jan 04 13:28:00 <anli__> Should I download a driver for windows 7 to recognize my htc evo 3d phone?
Jan 04 13:31:08 <anli__> should I stay away from 64-bit versions of adt?
Jan 04 13:31:51 <pierpark> how does "public static final int star=0x7f02003d;" translate to "2130837565" ?
Jan 04 13:32:04 <sonOfRa> pierpark, 0x prefix means hexadecimal
Jan 04 13:32:21 <sonOfRa> it is a number in base 16, not base 10 as you usually would count
Jan 04 13:32:55 <sonOfRa> In base 16 you get digits to represent 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15, which are a b c d e and f
Jan 04 13:33:10 <mitch0> there a 10 kinds of people: those who grok binary and those who don't
Jan 04 13:33:22 <anli__> :)
Jan 04 13:33:23 <anli__> http://www.statman.info/conversions/hexadecimal.html
Jan 04 13:33:23 <pierpark> ha ha mitch.
Jan 04 13:33:56 <pierpark> I had that shirt once. I used to have 8 bit binary down to where I could write a message on a piece of paper from memory and translate it out. But that was many years ago.
Jan 04 13:34:05 <pierpark> sonOfRa: thanks!
Jan 04 13:34:35 <pierpark> anli__ thank you!
Jan 04 13:34:39 <anli__> :)
Jan 04 13:41:53 <funkbox> any of you try to pull off mvvm with the androids?
Jan 04 13:43:21 <yuvipanda_> hello
Jan 04 13:43:27 <yuvipanda_> i'm trying to build LatinIME off master
Jan 04 13:43:40 <yuvipanda_> running into (very weird) linker error with the NDK Bits
Jan 04 13:43:46 <yuvipanda_> http://pastebin.com/vztKw2L1
Jan 04 13:43:50 <yuvipanda_> any thoughts / help?
Jan 04 14:09:42 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 04 14:09:48 <Parhs> why text is aligned at right ?
Jan 04 14:09:49 <Parhs> http://pastebin.com/JicNiNfE
Jan 04 14:10:51 <capella> gravity?
Jan 04 14:11:19 <Parhs> isnt gravity diferent than textalignment:S
Jan 04 14:11:24 <Parhs> i saw that it had effect
Jan 04 14:11:47 <ahhughes> anyone using dagger here? Just trying to see how I can mix supplied and injected constructor args.
Jan 04 14:11:54 <ahhughes> i.e assistedInjection
Jan 04 14:11:57 <ahhughes> any ideas?
Jan 04 14:13:22 <Parhs> http://i.imgur.com/0672x.png
Jan 04 14:14:05 <squ> if ("".isEmpty())
Jan 04 14:14:07 <squ> Call requires API level 9 (current min is 8): java.lang.String#isEmpty
Jan 04 14:15:35 <squ> Parhs, last one looks like chocolate
Jan 04 14:15:48 <squ> there goes vanilla :)
Jan 04 14:25:32 <lov> squ: if("".trim().size() == 0)?
Jan 04 14:26:06 <lov> actually, does .isEmpty check for empty chars?
Jan 04 14:26:11 <squ> no idea
Jan 04 14:26:14 <lov> if not, just do if("".size() == 0)
Jan 04 14:26:17 <lov> looking at the docs, sounds like it doesn't
Jan 04 14:26:20 <mikeyMike> HOW TO comment whole line in eclipse (i mean key shortcut for this)
Jan 04 14:26:21 <mikeyMike> ?
Jan 04 14:26:33 <SimonVT> TextUtils.isEmpty("")
Jan 04 14:26:37 <squ> The method size() is undefined for the type String
Jan 04 14:27:16 <squ> mikeyMike, go to eclipse Keys preferences, search for comment
Jan 04 14:27:59 <mikeyMike> thanks, squ ! :)
Jan 04 14:28:02 <maslen> mikeyMike: control slah iirc
Jan 04 14:28:10 <mikeyMike> ctrl+shift+/
Jan 04 14:28:41 <maslen> interesting. Only Ctrl+/ on my (Windows) system
Jan 04 14:29:09 <lov> squ: length(), rather
Jan 04 14:29:31 <lov> squ: diving into the dalvik code, that's actually exactly what isEmpty does
Jan 04 14:29:53 <lov> javaLangString_Length(): pResult->i = dvmGetFieldInt((Object*) arg0, STRING_FIELDOFF_COUNT);
Jan 04 14:30:03 <lov> javaLangString_isEmpty: pResult->i = (dvmGetFieldInt((Object*) arg0, STRING_FIELDOFF_COUNT) == 0);
Jan 04 14:30:31 <lov> so, it looks like isEmpty is just a convenience method for length() == 0
Jan 04 14:30:43 <Pfhoenix> mikey : I'm guessing pressing the Home key and then // is too hard?
Jan 04 14:31:57 <squ> looks like dvmGetFieldInt is called
Jan 04 14:32:06 <lov> ... yes?
Jan 04 14:32:33 <lov> anyhoo, if you're interested, dalvik/vm/InlineNative.cpp
Jan 04 14:32:49 <squ> oh its cpp :)
Jan 04 14:34:10 <squ> where do you get dalvik sources?
Jan 04 14:34:18 <squ> can't find it in android's sdk
Jan 04 14:34:29 <lov> source.android.com
Jan 04 14:34:59 <squ> thanks
Jan 04 14:35:38 <maslen> Does AIDL support asynchronous calls as well?
Jan 04 14:36:08 <lov> no
Jan 04 14:36:15 <lov> I don't think so, anyway
Jan 04 14:36:39 <anli> Is there a way to filter columns in logcat?
Jan 04 14:36:40 <lov> well "yes" in the sense that your remote process can take the call, stick something into a thread or handler or w/e and return immediately
Jan 04 14:36:44 <maslen> OK, so if I want asynchronous calls, I'll need to re-bind the Service via Messenger or the like ?
Jan 04 14:36:56 <maslen> ugh, that's a leaky abstraction right there
Jan 04 14:37:09 <lov> frankly, if you want async calls, use intents.
Jan 04 14:37:24 <lov> it's cleaner and saner than dealing with AIDL
Jan 04 14:37:24 <maslen> How does that compare to sending messages?
Jan 04 14:37:42 <maslen> I already need to use AIDL for synchronous calls, so I have no choice there.
Jan 04 14:37:43 <lov> Messenger uses intents on the backend iirc, but don't quote me on that.
Jan 04 14:37:47 * lov shrugs
Jan 04 14:37:56 <lov> you're the architect, chief.
Jan 04 14:38:12 <lov> don't forget, there's a binder pool, so it's not like you can only have one call going at a time.
Jan 04 14:38:12 <maslen> lov: That's a fancy way to say masochist.
Jan 04 14:38:41 <lov> Oh, is that what that means?
Jan 04 14:38:46 <lov> Things suddenly make more sense
Jan 04 14:39:30 <xertoz> any ideas why this tablelayout won't size to the full width of the app? http://nrby.eu/c/162
Jan 04 14:39:39 <plbelanger> Anyone care to test out a clipboard management app I've just posted? Would love any feedback/suggestions etc https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fluffydelusions.app.clipboardadmin#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDIxMiwiY29tLmZsdWZmeWRlbHVzaW9ucy5hcHAuY2xpcGJvYXJkYWRtaW4iXQ..
Jan 04 14:40:30 <plbelanger> For 3/4.x devices
Jan 04 14:41:16 <xertoz> missing stretch columns attribute, damn I'm messy today. nvm
Jan 04 14:41:18 <lov> xertoz: no. What does hierarchyviewer do?
Jan 04 14:41:30 <maslen> lov: Another question: Can Messengers communicate across processes ?
Jan 04 14:41:40 <xertoz> lov: whut?
Jan 04 14:42:04 <lov> Reference to a Handler, which others can use to send messages to it. This allows for the implementation of message-based communication across processes, by creating a Messenger pointing to a Handler in one process, and handing that Messenger to another process.
Jan 04 14:42:16 <lov> gonna say yes on this one.
Jan 04 14:42:26 <maslen> Where is that?
Jan 04 14:42:29 <lov> xertoz: nvm I guess. If you don't know about hierarchyviewer, take a look
Jan 04 14:42:32 <maslen> :)
Jan 04 14:42:34 <lov> maslen: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Messenger.html
Jan 04 14:42:39 <lov> first line :>
Jan 04 14:43:01 <maslen> Darn. I was reading the API Guides.
Jan 04 14:43:22 <lov> well, that's not a bad place to go either.
Jan 04 14:43:33 <maslen> Yeah, but that didn't seem to mention that detail :(
Jan 04 14:44:30 <lov> well
Jan 04 14:44:30 <lov> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html#Messenger
Jan 04 14:44:47 <lov> If you need your service to communicate with remote processes, then you can use a Messenger to provide the interface for your service.
Jan 04 14:44:58 <maslen> Then I just missed it :(
Jan 04 14:45:03 <lov> welp.
Jan 04 14:45:13 <lov> better luck next time?
Jan 04 14:45:17 <maslen> Hopefully.
Jan 04 14:47:42 <maslen> lov: In that little "Compared to AIDL" piece on the side, is it referring to having multiple calls sent simultaneously to the Service  (but not on the client side) ?
Jan 04 14:47:55 <maslen> (because otherwise, I just got a major mess in my head)
Jan 04 14:48:28 <lov> as mentioned before, binder has a pool of threads, so you can have multiple threads on your client have simultanious AIDL function calls happening
Jan 04 14:48:41 <maslen> I see. Thanks.
Jan 04 14:48:50 <lov> the service will receive those multiple calls and handle them simultaniously, so you DO need to handle multithreading.
Jan 04 14:49:06 <lov> It sounds like Messenger queues your requests, so they all happen serially instead of in parallel
Jan 04 14:49:23 <maslen> right. Which simplifies that interface.
Jan 04 14:51:56 <beastman> How would i go about making an animated graphic that had meters that could be filled programatically
Jan 04 14:52:28 <beastman> For example the mic showing the input volume on the speech activity
Jan 04 14:54:30 <maslen> beastman: One approach is to have two different sets of bars. Depending on the percentage filled, you display some percent of the bars as being the "filled" bars and the remaining bars as being "empty" bars
Jan 04 14:55:40 <beastman> maslen, what if this graphic could be affected by multiple things
Jan 04 14:55:52 <maslen> No idea.
Jan 04 14:58:36 <pierpark> before I get really really frustrated... anyone know the best approach for taking a 'picture'... and making 3 images of it... I need the original picture, then the outline (coloring book style) of the picture but with the inner background portion deleted to make it transparent... then a solid white mask. ? I've got Photoshop but surely I can make an image per minute, right? I've been
Jan 04 14:58:36 <pierpark> sitting here for ten trying to get some sort of method down.
Jan 04 14:59:44 <beastman> i.e. there could be multiple progress bars and the entire graphic should change color depending on yet another event
Jan 04 15:00:53 <lov> beastman: regarding progress bars, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ProgressBar.html
Jan 04 15:01:08 <lov> Regarding multiplexing, you could have a class that could handle multiplexing the various inputs and set the progress level appropriately
Jan 04 15:03:25 <beastman> It would be a 1:1 for progress bars, i dont think ill need to multiplex
Jan 04 15:03:49 <beastman> My problem is more of an animation issue.
Jan 04 15:04:24 <beastman> Let me ask this, is it possible to create an arc'd progress bar?
Jan 04 15:04:32 <Anthaas> Of course.
Jan 04 15:04:42 <SimonVT> If you know how to make custom views
Jan 04 15:04:42 <beastman> A progress bar that fills up around a circle
Jan 04 15:04:57 <Anthaas> Just as SimonVT just said, as long as you know how to create custom views.
Jan 04 15:04:58 <lov> beastman: yes, it's possible. create a custom drawable.
Jan 04 15:05:11 <beastman> So i would be using "custom views"
Jan 04 15:05:18 <lov> it doesn't even need to be a custom view.
Jan 04 15:05:25 <lov> you can just create your own Drawable instance for this
Jan 04 15:05:32 <lov> (or so I think!)
Jan 04 15:05:35 <Anthaas> There isn't such thing as a custom view, it would be extending the View class and overriding methods.
Jan 04 15:05:57 <Anthaas> lov: That would be a very inefficient way, as you would need to create a drawable for every instance of progression.
Jan 04 15:06:12 <lov> not at all!
Jan 04 15:06:27 <lov> what I mean is that you create your own Drawable subclass that will handle animating over an arc
Jan 04 15:06:42 <lov> also, "extending the view class" is what is generally meant when someone says custom view around here
Jan 04 15:06:49 <lov> (or viewgroup!)
Jan 04 15:07:07 <Anthaas> lov: Of course, however because he used quotes around "Custom view" I just wanted to clear up any confusion.
Jan 04 15:07:13 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/drawable/Drawable.html
Jan 04 15:07:22 <pierpark> lov: lol. you have more patience than I do.
Jan 04 15:07:27 <beastman> Let me also throw in the need now for multiple progress bars
Jan 04 15:07:49 <SimonVT> Huh, what do you know
Jan 04 15:07:51 <lov> beastman: fuck it, just create your own GLSurfaceView and go hog wild drawing everything yourself, idk.
Jan 04 15:07:55 <SimonVT> Should be possible with a custom drawable
Jan 04 15:08:08 <lov> beastman: look into the View class and the Drawable class and whether that would work for you.
Jan 04 15:08:17 <beastman> Ok i will
Jan 04 15:08:19 <SimonVT> I assumed ProgressBar set the drawables bounds, or clipped the canvas or something
Jan 04 15:08:27 <SimonVT> It actually lets the drawable handle that completely
Jan 04 15:08:41 <lov> Yeah, I think it just calls setLevel or something
Jan 04 15:08:45 <SimonVT> Yeah
Jan 04 15:08:49 <lov> or it might just call setBounds?
Jan 04 15:08:51 <lov> idk
Jan 04 15:08:58 <SimonVT> No, it calls setLevel
Jan 04 15:09:02 <lov> ok
Jan 04 15:09:06 <SimonVT> In the JB source at least
Jan 04 15:09:06 <pierpark> whats the best software for masking images used for making games
Jan 04 15:09:09 <lov> ok yeah it's a clippingdrwarable or something
Jan 04 15:09:10 <lov> oaijwsdopuihaoisdu
Jan 04 15:09:15 <Anthaas> Learn something new every day. Thanks lov I was just saying what I would have done though.
Jan 04 15:09:32 <lov> spel gud
Jan 04 15:09:45 <lov> pierpark: I'm desperately avoiding writing a design document :<
Jan 04 15:10:02 <pierpark> lmao
Jan 04 15:10:46 <Chainfire> Oh dear, Android SDK is now proprietary ... http://blogs.fsfe.org/torsten.grote/2013/01/03/android-sdk-is-now-proprietary-replicant-to-the-rescue/ ... the things some people worry about
Jan 04 15:11:35 <clever> Chainfire: i didnt even know it was
Jan 04 15:11:45 <SimonVT> Page wont load for me :|
Jan 04 15:11:51 <clever> same
Jan 04 15:11:59 <lov> pish tosh.
Jan 04 15:12:11 <lov> it's probably because it bundles eclipse or something
Jan 04 15:12:22 <lov> source.android.com hasn't changed
Jan 04 15:12:35 <lov> but I look forward to hearing the wailing of the neckbeards
Jan 04 15:12:40 <lov> the gnashing of cheeto-stained teeth
Jan 04 15:12:48 <clever> lov: all ive seen that do, is cause more confusion, the dev i'm working with now has 2 full copies of the sdk
Jan 04 15:12:55 <Chainfire> myeah it took forever to load for me as well ... its been slashdotted
Jan 04 15:12:59 <clever> he downloaded one normaly, then tried to get the eclipse bundle
Jan 04 15:13:26 <lov> clever: Honestly, I like that they're bundling everything now. It makes things much simpler. In a couple of months when this becomes the norm, people will get used to this.
Jan 04 15:13:46 <lov> for now, it's people who are used to the old way of getting the SDK who end up duplicating effort
Jan 04 15:13:51 <clever> lov: i would rather just have the ADT plugin auto-download it if you dont give a path
Jan 04 15:14:10 <Chainfire> I recently had to reinstall the sdk on a different PC, I love the new bunble
Jan 04 15:14:15 <Chainfire> *bundle
Jan 04 15:14:17 <lov> clever: there's issues for people behind restrictive firewalls where the ADT CAN'T download
Jan 04 15:14:23 <clever> ah
Jan 04 15:14:25 <lov> ADT plugin rather
Jan 04 15:14:47 <Chainfire> the first time I did it way back when, knowing nothing about Eclipse or how the SDK worked, really was a drag ... wish it was bundled then :)
Jan 04 15:15:14 <clever> i just started without eclipse, went fairly smoothly
Jan 04 15:16:29 <Anthaas> We just got some new computers at work, downloaded the ADT rather than Eclipse+Plugin. It might just be me, and I dont think it is, but the ADT bundle seems to have a lot more IDE Errors than the other method.
Jan 04 15:17:24 <Chainfire> whats its all about is that if you want to download the SDK from Google's site, you need to accept some license agreement
Jan 04 15:17:53 <Chainfire> but I'm just thinking out loud here... if you just download the Android source from GIT, and build the SDK yourself, you never need to accept this license agreement
Jan 04 15:17:58 <Chainfire> so.. what does it matter ?
Jan 04 15:18:21 <lov> Chainfire: because free software and
Jan 04 15:20:22 <anelrh26> Hi All! Is there a way that I can catch when a cookie session from the WebView is expired or invalidated?
Jan 04 15:21:16 <anli> Is it possible to have a TextView in which you can choose between a number of alternatives, like autocomplete in jquery lingua?
Jan 04 15:21:29 <SimonVT> Free software and crazy fanatics
Jan 04 15:22:29 * AmandaC wonders what the female equvilent of "neckbeard" is
Jan 04 15:23:02 <SimonVT> t.t
Jan 04 15:23:39 <Anthaas> anli: Do you mean EditText or TextView as you stated?
Jan 04 15:23:52 <anli> Well, EditText, they are both TextView, but you are right
Jan 04 15:24:08 <Anthaas> anli: EditText can autocomplete.
Jan 04 15:24:09 <anli> I could have been clear on that
Jan 04 15:24:13 <anli> Aha!
Jan 04 15:24:33 <anli> ah, found a stackoverflow page
Jan 04 15:24:45 <Anthaas> Always a great place to look :D
Jan 04 15:24:52 <anelrh26>  Is there a way that I can catch when a cookie session from the WebView is expired or invalidated?
Jan 04 15:24:57 <anli> yeah, now when I know what to search for
Jan 04 15:25:27 <Anthaas> anelrh26: I am not sure - I believe there is a CookieManager class. Could be worth starting there?
Jan 04 15:27:43 <anelrh26> Anthaas: yes, I was reading about the CookieManager class, but I didn't see nothing related. I'm working on a hybrid app, and the session cookie can expire after while, so I don't want that the user have to login everytime
Jan 04 15:28:33 <clever> anelrh26: i think you want CookieHandler.getCurrent
Jan 04 15:28:47 <clever> that will get the instance of CookieManager thats used by default
Jan 04 15:28:53 <clever> (if WebView even uses it...)
Jan 04 15:28:57 <Anthaas> anelrh26: Seems like that would be an issue with the website - perhaps extends the timeout period?
Jan 04 15:29:33 <maslen> Hmm.. another silly question: Are even listeners called synchronously or asynchronously.
Jan 04 15:29:39 <maslen> event listeners*
Jan 04 15:30:21 <anelrh26> Thanks clever, I will take a look
Jan 04 15:30:27 <Anthaas> Im not entirely certain, but I would believe that that would depend on the listener.
Jan 04 15:31:00 <maslen> I'm referring to if two unrelated events occurred simultaneously
Jan 04 15:31:40 <Anthaas> Perhaps someone else might be able to help on this. I wouldn't be able to say, sorry.
Jan 04 15:31:40 <clever> maslen: i believe all events are ran in the main thread
Jan 04 15:31:58 <anelrh26> Anthaas: the problem is not actually the timeout period, is because the app server can upgrade, and when this happens the session cookie expires
Jan 04 15:34:03 <Anthaas> anelrh26: I know that as a rule, apps cannot access browser cookies. Whether or not this is the case for WebViews Im not entirely certain.
Jan 04 15:34:39 <clever> Anthaas: in that case, the browser is simply a seperate app, which stores them in a private file
Jan 04 15:34:41 <diminish> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42265
Jan 04 15:34:48 <clever> i'm not sure how WebView is implemented though
Jan 04 15:36:44 <lov> AmandaC: legbeard?
Jan 04 15:37:18 <AmandaC> lov: heh
Jan 04 16:11:11 <bluesm> Is it possible to make "voice" button to the homescreen
Jan 04 16:11:16 <bluesm> Linked to the contact adress ?
Jan 04 16:12:37 <bluesm> *contacts book
Jan 04 16:12:55 <lov> huh?
Jan 04 16:18:02 <gmag> hi, I'm trying to build stagefright, but have no idea how to do it, since it comes with the OS. I would like to add some features to stagefright for personal purposes (in fact it is not relevenat what changes I want to do, all I would like to do is to access its source code and rebuild it). Any idea? Thanks in advance
Jan 04 16:18:46 <gmag> I also feel there is little documentation on stagefright out there... :-/
Jan 04 16:19:01 <gmag> I'm new to android world...
Jan 04 16:20:39 <str8uplinux> is there a way to schedule Timer() to repeat at the TOP of every hour?
Jan 04 16:21:45 <porten> I'm performing multiple database queries on startup, should i open/close the database before each query or open, queries..., close?
Jan 04 16:22:02 <porten> I ran into an issue where after several queries the DB closed and I got an exception
Jan 04 16:23:51 <dragorn> open, queries, close
Jan 04 16:24:01 <dragorn> i wouldn't perform the queries in your ui thread probably
Jan 04 16:24:17 <dragorn> and you need to make sure you keep track of what has a writeable handle on the db
Jan 04 16:24:53 <porten> dragorn: ok, thanks
Jan 04 16:25:00 <monsti> i run every writeable query in a transaction
Jan 04 16:27:28 <bluesm> lov:  I mean.
Jan 04 16:27:52 <bluesm> lov:  to make the button which will work as "voice button" in contacts book.
Jan 04 16:27:56 <porten> monsti: i'm looking at that, i'm supporting apk 10+ tho, it looks like that's only available 11+
Jan 04 16:28:08 <bluesm> lov:  I would be linked to, "contact book"
Jan 04 16:28:28 <Spektral> u mean the contacts in ur app drawer?
Jan 04 16:28:36 <Spektral> u cant just drag it to teh homescreen?
Jan 04 16:28:39 <Spektral> i have mine there
Jan 04 16:28:41 <bluesm> lov: When you click it, you activate "voice search" on "inpput"
Jan 04 16:28:50 <porten> monsti: nvm im stupid
Jan 04 16:28:53 <bluesm> Spektral:  i mean. To make the "voice search"
Jan 04 16:29:01 <Spektral> oh ic
Jan 04 16:29:08 <Spektral> so it just brings up the voice
Jan 04 16:29:22 <bluesm> Spektral:  You click it, and then google "dictation" hear you and, show you proper contacts...
Jan 04 16:29:47 <Spektral> yea, its just i got my tablet only atm, so im just thinking tablet lol sry
Jan 04 16:29:59 <Spektral> it adds the phone and contacts in there, even though its not used the same
Jan 04 16:30:04 <Spektral> so when i do it on there
Jan 04 16:30:06 <Spektral> it brings up skype
Jan 04 16:30:07 <Spektral> lol
Jan 04 16:30:13 <Spektral> cuz no mobile data obv
Jan 04 16:30:14 <Spektral> heh
Jan 04 16:30:29 <bluesm> Spektral: Simply: Open the contacts book, and start "voice search" on the contacts...
Jan 04 16:30:41 <Spektral> yea, just saying i never do, since its a tablet
Jan 04 16:30:48 <Spektral> so wasnt thinking on the same line
Jan 04 16:30:49 <Spektral> my bad
Jan 04 16:30:49 <Spektral> heh
Jan 04 16:31:06 <Spektral> need to get my new phone
Jan 04 16:31:10 <Spektral> been phoneless too long
Jan 04 16:31:11 <Spektral> lol
Jan 04 16:31:56 <d3xter> hey guys
Jan 04 16:32:13 <d3xter> is there any tutorial on how to send a phone number to the phone app and start it
Jan 04 16:32:55 <lov> d3xter: http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/g-app-intents.html
Jan 04 16:33:05 <d3xter> lov: thanks
Jan 04 16:33:08 <lov> If you're not sure how to use intents, http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Jan 04 16:42:43 <zhangxaochen> what's the difference between position and id in spinner.onitemselected(..)?
Jan 04 16:43:12 <zhangxaochen> i printed them out and saw they were of the same value
Jan 04 16:44:33 <AmandaC> you can change the id in the adapter, you can't change the position
Jan 04 16:45:42 <zhangxaochen> AmandaC, so when is id used?
Jan 04 16:46:01 <AmandaC> zhangxaochen: never, by the system, it's for your own use
Jan 04 16:48:17 <zhangxaochen> AmandaC, for my own use?
Jan 04 16:48:23 <SimonVT> ListView uses it for checked items as well iirc
Jan 04 16:48:50 <SimonVT> Dunno if that's just when you have stable id's
Jan 04 16:49:08 <AmandaC> SimonVT: I'd arguye that's "for your own use" as well, but whatever
Jan 04 16:49:38 <SimonVT> e.g. in the case of a CursorAdapter, the id is the items id in the database
Jan 04 16:49:45 <SimonVT> For your own data types, it can be whatever
Jan 04 16:49:49 <SimonVT> or just the position
Jan 04 16:49:53 <SimonVT> That's up to your implementation
Jan 04 16:53:34 <zhangxaochen> understand.. thx ~
Jan 04 16:53:37 <Fisiu> I have few fragments in ViewPager, all of them are in portrait mode but I want to show one of them in landscape modes
Jan 04 16:53:55 <SimonVT> AmandaC: Not really, it'll use the id to update the checked item positions when your dataset changes
Jan 04 16:54:15 <AmandaC> SimonVT: ~shrug~
Jan 04 16:54:57 <Fisiu> when I set getActivity().setRequestedOrientation(ActivityInfo.SCREEN_ORIENTATION_LANDSCAPE) it starts adjacent views (fragments) also in landscape
Jan 04 16:55:04 <karakuri> I have a home screen widget with a list view, and it uses a configuration activity to let the user choose the sorting order. There's a button on the widget to relaunch the configuration activity, so the user can change sort order. The config activity launches, but nothing happens after selecting a new order
Jan 04 16:55:38 <d3xter> how can i check, if multiple activities can run an action?
Jan 04 16:55:50 <SimonVT> Nothing happens until you update the widget
Jan 04 16:55:58 <SimonVT> You can tell the system that needs to happen
Jan 04 16:56:01 <SimonVT> Google it
Jan 04 16:57:16 <karakuri> SimonVT: My configuration activity calls remoteViews.setRemoteAdapter(…) on the widget. It's the same code path as when the user first adds it to the home screen
Jan 04 16:58:50 <SimonVT> Surely it's your AppWidgetProvider that handles the remoteviews
Jan 04 16:59:32 <karakuri> you mean onUpdate()?
Jan 04 16:59:41 <SimonVT> Yep
Jan 04 16:59:49 <SimonVT> d3xter: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/PackageManager.html#queryIntentActivities(android.content.Intent,%20int)
Jan 04 17:00:04 <karakuri> I actually don't need to update the widget beyond the configuration, there's a contentObserver on the data
Jan 04 17:00:36 <karakuri> but i can try doing it there instead
Jan 04 17:00:47 <d3xter> SimonVT: ok thanks. If i just create a chooser. Does it show up, if there is only 1 app?
Jan 04 17:00:58 <capella-s3> ?
Jan 04 17:01:00 <SimonVT> I can assure you you need to do it beyond the configuration activity
Jan 04 17:01:27 <SimonVT> That is only shown when you add it.. Not when the launcher is killed for some reason, not when the device is rebooted
Jan 04 17:02:27 <SimonVT> You should just be saving your settings in your configuration activity.. And then handle anything to do with your widget in your AppWidgetProvider
Jan 04 17:04:09 <SimonVT> d3xter: I can't remember, really
Jan 04 17:04:20 <d3xter> SimonVT: ok thanks, i'll try it
Jan 04 17:04:22 <SimonVT> Try it.. Create an app with some unique intent filter
Jan 04 17:12:10 <Anthaas> Creating unique intent filters is especially useful for BroadcastReceivers, which can be used, for example, to update the main thread of the progress of a non-main thread.
Jan 04 17:12:21 <karakuri> so then my configuration activity should broadcast ACTION_APPWIDGET_UPDATE then
Jan 04 17:14:53 <SimonVT> Depends on who's calling it. When the widget is added, you don't have to.. When you launch it manually, you have to
Jan 04 17:15:56 <karakuri> but if i want to change the cursor (to change the sort order) beyond the initial configuration,
Jan 04 17:24:05 <karakuri> is there a convenient way to store a map in sharedPreferences? like a map of app widget ids to strings?
Jan 04 17:41:06 <soryy708> Greetings.
Jan 04 17:41:22 <Ankhwatcher> soryy708: yo
Jan 04 17:42:36 <soryy708> I'm having issues when localizing my application. The application comes in Russian, Hebrew, and English(default). The problem is only with Hebrew. On my 2.3.4 device, all works perfect. However, on my 4.0.4 device, the default language is picked when the Hebrew language is selected for the phone.
Jan 04 17:42:43 <soryy708> What could be the reason?
Jan 04 17:43:36 <soryy708> For russian, I suffix "-ru" and for hebrew, I suffix "-he"
Jan 04 17:46:44 <soryy708> I'd like to kindly ping anybody available.
Jan 04 17:47:43 <Anthaas> I have read
Jan 04 17:47:54 <Anthaas> But Im afraid I have no experience with multi-lingual applications.
Jan 04 17:48:02 <Anthaas> So would not be able to help.
Jan 04 17:48:17 <soryy708> Anthaas Alright. Thank you for notifying me.
Jan 04 17:48:50 <lighthazard> soryy708: Are you setting the locale based off the phone on application start?
Jan 04 17:50:17 <SimonVT> Have you tried on another device, just to rule out yours being broken?
Jan 04 17:50:18 <Ankhwatcher> soryy708: have you stepped through the code while debugging on your 4.0.4 device to find out what value is being stored and retrieved?
Jan 04 17:50:23 <soryy708> lighthazard: I let the phone decide, I guess
Jan 04 17:51:05 <soryy708> Ankhwatcher: No I haven't. I do see it being English values so it does retrieve English.
Jan 04 17:51:51 <lighthazard> soryy708: Try: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2264874/changing-locale-within-the-app-itself
Jan 04 17:51:55 <soryy708> lighthazard: It's not like the application's language can change mid-runtime. The application can't be minimised - it is quittable.
Jan 04 17:51:57 <SimonVT> Could also just google it I guess: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8393771/android-not-using-finding-my-hebrew-localization
Jan 04 17:52:23 <soryy708> SimonVT: Seems like my googling attempts weren't so good. Reading.
Jan 04 17:52:41 <lighthazard> iw lolol
Jan 04 17:52:42 <soryy708> lighthazard: I'm not changing the locale runtime
Jan 04 17:52:53 <soryy708> iw? WTF?
Jan 04 17:52:54 <lighthazard> soryy708: hebrew local is iw (for some reason)
Jan 04 17:53:01 <lighthazard> lol
Jan 04 17:53:09 <Ankhwatcher> SimonVT: wins
Jan 04 17:53:14 <SimonVT> Keep reading
Jan 04 17:53:22 <SimonVT> Sometimes it's he
Jan 04 17:53:22 <SimonVT> :p
Jan 04 17:53:24 <soryy708> This is weird lol
Jan 04 17:53:30 <soryy708> I'll have to duplicate then :D
Jan 04 17:53:58 <lighthazard> Fucking Samsung devices..
Jan 04 17:54:06 <lighthazard> They really implement a lot of their own things.
Jan 04 17:54:15 <GreenTuxer> Hi there. Is there a way to create a button, which instead of a button, it's an icon with a plus sign, like a drawable icon, such as ic_menu_add? Thanks
Jan 04 17:54:34 <lighthazard> GreenTuxer: have you looked into ImageButton?
Jan 04 17:54:34 <Ankhwatcher> lighthazard: I'm sure that engineer came from Bada...
Jan 04 17:54:51 <lighthazard> ha
Jan 04 17:54:52 <soryy708> Going to try with iw...
Jan 04 17:55:00 <lighthazard> soryy708: have a failover with he!
Jan 04 17:55:09 <GreenTuxer> lighthazard, I have, but can't seem to find how to change the background of an ImageButton to an icon
Jan 04 17:55:10 <soryy708> GreenTuxer: Use a button but set a different background layout?
Jan 04 17:55:23 <lighthazard> GreenTuxer: You set the image_button TO the icon
Jan 04 17:55:26 <lighthazard> not the background
Jan 04 17:55:27 <SimonVT> GreenTuxer: ImageButton
Jan 04 17:55:29 <GreenTuxer> I want a native plus sign
Jan 04 17:55:33 <lighthazard> Oh
Jan 04 17:55:36 <GreenTuxer> oh ok, let me check that, thanks :(
Jan 04 17:55:38 <GreenTuxer> :)
Jan 04 17:56:21 <GreenTuxer> if I have an external image is easy, but I'm struggling with add a native drawable plus sign (usually found in menus) to an imagebutton, but I'll check that
Jan 04 17:57:05 <soryy708> Ok, duplicating to iw works. Thanks xD
Jan 04 17:57:13 <lighthazard> Are you sure it's native and not just a Google thing?
Jan 04 17:58:33 <SimonVT> If it's in android.R.drawable (check the docs), then you can use it
Jan 04 17:58:46 <pragma-> GreenTuxer: pro-tip, all views can register an OnClickListener
Jan 04 17:59:43 <GreenTuxer> ok thanks :)
Jan 04 18:00:07 <AmandaC> GreenTuxer: what do you mean by "a native plus sign"?
Jan 04 18:00:41 <GreenTuxer> something like @android:drawable/ic_menu_add
Jan 04 18:02:49 <GreenTuxer> using ImageButton with android:src="@android:drawable/ic_menu_add" worked, although is a very ugly plus icon :D
Jan 04 18:04:33 <Winslow> What do you guys think about NFC. You think it will become a popular way to transfer things between devices or do you think it will be a niche market that doesn't get much traction?
Jan 04 18:04:34 <lighthazard> GreenTuxer: I'd suggest using your own icons anyway.
Jan 04 18:04:42 <lighthazard> Winslow: It's the way to the future.
Jan 04 18:04:48 <lighthazard> No more cards and expensive and heft fees.
Jan 04 18:04:51 <lighthazard> hefty*
Jan 04 18:05:01 <GreenTuxer> yes, it seems better, thanks :)
Jan 04 18:05:04 <lighthazard> But yoiu know there will be lots of fees with NFC
Jan 04 18:05:12 <Winslow> lighthazard: hefty fees?
Jan 04 18:05:24 <lighthazard> Winslow: Bank to bank money transfers cost merchants quite a lot
Jan 04 18:05:48 <lighthazard> So if your bank, Chase, pays BoA through a credit charge, there are a bunch of fees the merchant pays. I *THINK* it's up to 30%
Jan 04 18:05:54 <Anthaas> I'd imagine that the fee would be paid by the person requesting the transaction though
Jan 04 18:06:07 <Winslow> lighthazard: oh... then why not make it like a credit card and so the merchants get charged the ~3% or w/e it is
Jan 04 18:06:08 <Anthaas> For example, if you are in a shop, the shop will pay...
Jan 04 18:06:12 <lighthazard> The merchant pays, I'm thinking about the merchant!
Jan 04 18:06:20 <lighthazard> Merchants will easily adopt it because of the benefits of cost.
Jan 04 18:06:43 <lighthazard> If merchants adopt it, people will use it.
Jan 04 18:07:24 <lighthazard> Winslow: With a CC, it's definitely more than 3%
Jan 04 18:07:35 <karakuri> is it possible to start an activity for a result via a PendingIntent?
Jan 04 18:07:51 <lighthazard> oh man
Jan 04 18:07:55 <lighthazard> Square's pricing is insanely good.
Jan 04 18:09:14 <Leeds> karakuri: where would you expect the result to go?
Jan 04 18:09:40 <karakuri> hmm, good point
Jan 04 18:18:50 <xorgate> whats the importance of 'heap size' when it comes to the java compiler? intellij now has it default at 128mb
Jan 04 18:19:48 <capella> http://www.rominirani.com/android-activity-call-and-wait/  ?
Jan 04 18:20:25 <maslen> xorgate: Basically, how much memory it should reserve for use
Jan 04 18:20:37 <maslen> (very, very, simplified)
Jan 04 18:22:43 <xorgate> maslen right.. :0 i'm guessing moar = better
Jan 04 18:25:59 <karakuri> are appwidget options (Bundles) persistent
Jan 04 18:26:02 <karakuri> ?
Jan 04 18:26:31 <karakuri> the ones you set via updateAppWidgetOptions(…)
Jan 04 18:26:37 <Ankhwatcher> I've taken a shot at explaining what I am trying to do and what I have done so far on SO: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14162706/display-actionbar-serarch-results-in-a-spinner
Jan 04 18:30:47 <canadiancow> Winslow, i already transfer lots of stuff with nfc
Jan 04 18:31:20 <canadiancow> my dad took a photo and beamed it to me
Jan 04 18:31:34 <canadiancow> ive transferred photos from phone to tablet
Jan 04 18:40:07 <obscurant1st> I have a textview which changes the text on click. I would like to add a feature when it changes when user slides right or left. Can anyone please let me know how?
Jan 04 18:42:01 <voso> I am currently attempting to debug AOSP system_server and I HATE HAVING TO DO THIS. I wish I could talk to whoever is responsible for testing sample demos for openGL - there is something seriously wrong: during continuous rendering the system process keeps allocating memory (about 2MB in ~10 seconds), causing GC, causing STUTTER. Would there be anyone here interested in the details?
Jan 04 18:43:42 <lov> voso: not particularly, but consider posting a bug to b.android.com?
Jan 04 18:43:51 <lov> alternately, patches welcome for AOSP!
Jan 04 18:43:52 <voso> just a side-note: ALL openGL apps (including the official ROM apps such as Home/Apps) is affected.
Jan 04 18:44:34 <karakuri> obscurant: take a look at GestureDetector class, it may help with what you want
Jan 04 18:44:46 <lov> If you can improve the OpenGL performance by identifying places where objects could be recycled instead of just GC'd, I think you'd do quite a bit of good!
Jan 04 18:44:46 <Pitel> https://github.com/Pitel/glslnfc/blob/FragmentPager/res/layout/editor.xml how can I make it more useful source code editor? like, disable line wraps, use monospace font and make the text appear on top (right now, it's in the middle), and probably make it scroll correctly.
Jan 04 18:44:58 <voso> lov: I understand that. What I do not understand is how is it possible that NOT a single GL ES 2.0 app with SurfaceView/Renderer can run smoothly on 2.X, 4.X?
Jan 04 18:45:22 <AmandaC> voso: what phone?
Jan 04 18:45:27 <canadiancow> i dont recall seeing constant allocation on 4.x
Jan 04 18:45:43 <voso> Nexus S, Nexus One, SGS II. pretty much everything I tried.
Jan 04 18:45:50 <AmandaC> I see
Jan 04 18:46:14 <Nibble> hello guys - can someone point me in the right direction to communicate with a device over wifi?
Jan 04 18:46:38 <voso> If you take the main GL demo example from d.android.com, and change the render mode to continuous, an EMPTY draw() loop is enough to show this serious problem.
Jan 04 18:47:41 <voso> I probably made a mistake trying to use GL from JAVA instead of NDK, but if it does not work, GOOGLE PLEASE DONT TELL US IT WORKS...
Jan 04 18:48:36 <canadiancow> it does work
Jan 04 18:48:40 <voso> no it does NOT
Jan 04 18:48:44 <canadiancow> ive worked on two opengl games
Jan 04 18:48:49 <canadiancow> and there was no constant allocation
Jan 04 18:48:55 <HavocAngel> wow
Jan 04 18:48:58 <voso> was it ES 2.0?
Jan 04 18:49:12 <canadiancow> yes
Jan 04 18:49:13 <HavocAngel> I haven't been on here in ages and my nick is still registered on the nickserv
Jan 04 18:49:22 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 04 18:49:28 <voso> and you got 60fps with no GC?
Jan 04 18:49:29 <Parhs> i want to have at bottom a bar
Jan 04 18:49:29 <HavocAngel> anywho
Jan 04 18:49:44 <Parhs> that would look like split action bar but stay at bottom
Jan 04 18:50:13 <HavocAngel> Question: AlertDialog.Builder(getActivity()); I get an error saying getActivity isn't anything
Jan 04 18:50:34 <HavocAngel> 		   AlertDialog.Builder builder = new AlertDialog.Builder(getActivity()); <-- undefined
Jan 04 18:50:50 <canadiancow> voso, im sitting on the game screen right now
Jan 04 18:50:52 <canadiancow> there is no GC
Jan 04 18:51:17 <voso> canadiancow: is your game on the play store?
Jan 04 18:51:22 <canadiancow> its not "my game"
Jan 04 18:51:32 <canadiancow> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.hanging
Jan 04 18:51:59 <voso> and does it use SurfaceView with Renderer from JAVA? Not the NDK, right?
Jan 04 18:52:00 <HavocAngel> anyone.. I can't figure it out on google
Jan 04 18:52:03 <canadiancow> yes, java
Jan 04 18:52:07 <canadiancow> it uses AndEngine
Jan 04 18:52:11 <devslash> my app loads a web view. in the web view Im trying to display a javascript alert for debugging purposes but it doesn't display the alert. the alert appears as it should in a normal web browser. is there a setting i need to add to the web view to allow javascript alerts ?
Jan 04 18:52:12 <voso> thanks, I will try it..
Jan 04 18:52:34 <voso> nevertheless: the demo in the documentation does NOT work.
Jan 04 18:52:55 <voso> and I used the demo to learn.. ;(
Jan 04 18:53:42 <devslash> i did do webView.getSettings().setJavaScriptEnabled(true);
Jan 04 18:56:21 <kbs> devslash: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=752 might have some answers :-)
Jan 04 18:57:07 <kbs> basically, involving webview.setWebChromeClient(...)
Jan 04 18:57:09 <devslash> funny you linked to that page. i already had it open in another tab
Jan 04 18:57:54 <kbs> ah, ok :-) comment 12 ought to do the trick
Jan 04 18:58:37 <voso> canadiancow: surprise, surprise!! Your game runs GC_CONCURRENT a lot too!! And stutters occasionally on my Nexus S!
Jan 04 18:58:45 <voso> I am sorry.. not your game..
Jan 04 18:58:59 <voso> the one you referred to..
Jan 04 18:59:26 <devslash> i already have that
Jan 04 19:01:23 <obscurant1st> I have a textview which changes the text on click. I would like to add a feature when it changes when user slides right or left. Can anyone please let me know how?
Jan 04 19:03:31 <devslash> agh i figured out the problem
Jan 04 19:04:27 <voso> canadiancow: the GC runs on the system process, not your app's. Maybe that is why its not so apparent right away..
Jan 04 19:04:44 <HavocAngel> okay, how about this?
Jan 04 19:04:46 <HavocAngel> http://pastebin.com/gbQbHui0
Jan 04 19:04:55 <HavocAngel> I get no response
Jan 04 19:05:53 <HavocAngel> it's going to be an About pop-up
Jan 04 19:05:57 <kbs> devslash: comment from the peanut gallery :-) I've always thought alerts were a bit visually off-putting anyway. Possible to just update some "status" type dom subtree in your html?
Jan 04 19:07:51 <HavocAngel> im pretty new at this I know
Jan 04 19:07:53 <HavocAngel> but <.<
Jan 04 19:10:10 <HavocAngel> does MenuItem item need to be changed to something?
Jan 04 19:12:33 <g00s> pfn probably knows scala 2.10 is out :)
Jan 04 19:15:18 <Waynes> am I allowed to update my app over the internet (if the user confirms that he'd like to)?
Jan 04 19:16:11 <AmandaC> Waynes: why not just do it over the PLay stoe?
Jan 04 19:16:13 <pfn> I don't really follow new versions so much
Jan 04 19:16:13 <AmandaC> store even
Jan 04 19:17:01 <pfn> if proguard/dex is faster than 2.9 for android, then I'll consider using it
Jan 04 19:17:11 <Waynes> AmandaC: I don't have any experience with the play store yet, but wouldn't that require the user to download everything again? (even the things that didn't change)
Jan 04 19:17:19 <xorgate> blurgh.. is there any site where i can find stock chat-bubble 9patches? ;0
Jan 04 19:17:30 <AmandaC> Waynes: recent versions only download a delta
Jan 04 19:18:18 <Waynes> AmandaC: oh, that's great, thanks :)
Jan 04 19:18:30 <pfn> so, with the new gradle build, do gradle projects work in eclipse now?
Jan 04 19:18:45 <AmandaC> pfn: nope
Jan 04 19:18:50 <Winslow> Anyone know a workaround for centering text on a button when a drawableLeft is pushing it off center?
Jan 04 19:18:56 <kbs> xorgate: side-note, I wonder if xmldrawables would be better than 9-patches. That would avoid scaling/rendering stuff
Jan 04 19:18:59 <canadiancow> voso, i get no GC entries in logcat on my phone
Jan 04 19:18:59 <pfn> heh, how fucked up  :)
Jan 04 19:19:46 <canadiancow> have you tried on a nexus 4 with 4.2? i dont have the time to set anything up with an older version right now
Jan 04 19:21:23 <voso> canadiancow: no, I dont have a N4. I tried on Nexus S, Nexus One. I also have no GC on an LG gSlate tablet with a custom 4.1 ROM.
Jan 04 19:21:43 <Rich787> I'm trying to connect via HTTP using URL with a username and password in the web address and I keep getting FileNotFoundException even though I get a response with curl
Jan 04 19:21:53 <Rich787> has anyone had any experience with this?
Jan 04 19:21:53 <Parhs> hello guys..
Jan 04 19:22:00 <Parhs> i want to store in memo
Jan 04 19:22:04 <KNERD> sexist!
Jan 04 19:22:06 <KNERD> ;-)
Jan 04 19:22:08 <pfn> nexus one?
Jan 04 19:22:11 <pfn> people still use those?  wow
Jan 04 19:22:24 <Parhs> ry some objects that will be read only for my application when it starts.. how can i do this ?
Jan 04 19:22:31 <Parhs> singleton only ?
Jan 04 19:22:57 <voso> yes, I use the N1. It is perfect for everything I need. Plus a GREAT dev tool.
Jan 04 19:23:24 <Winslow> Rich787: have you set the necessary permissions for the app to use web services?
Jan 04 19:23:58 <AmandaC> pfn: I offloaded mine to my sister when I got a NS 2011 december. Then mom got the NS wehn I got a GNex from 2012 I/P
Jan 04 19:24:02 <AmandaC> I/O even
Jan 04 19:24:26 <Rich787> Winslow: I have the INTERNET permission added. Are there any others I need?
Jan 04 19:24:31 <Pitel> pfn: my wife and couple of coleagues and friends still uses their htc Desire. It was extremely popular here.
Jan 04 19:25:22 <Winslow> Rich787: nope that should be all you need permission wise
Jan 04 19:26:04 <pfn> Rich787, read the response and status code
Jan 04 19:26:19 <pfn> error 500 still gave me fnfe
Jan 04 19:26:22 <pfn> oddly
Jan 04 19:27:01 <Rich787> hmm okay. I'm just using an input stream right now
Jan 04 19:27:12 <Rich787> so maybe that's causing the problem
Jan 04 19:27:25 <pfn> no, it's not
Jan 04 19:28:20 <pfn> in catch (IOException) { urlconnection.getResponseCode() } or whatever it is
Jan 04 19:28:30 <pfn> and getErrorStream, or whatever
Jan 04 19:28:44 <voso> in any case, it seems ironic to me that the Nexus One AND Nexus S can NOT run OpenGL without GC: with all that pep-talk about butter-smoothness..
Jan 04 19:29:24 <pfn> butter smoothness means the internal scheduler does the absolute best it can to make it smooth
Jan 04 19:29:41 <pfn> if you have blocking operations, it won't be smooth
Jan 04 19:29:49 <voso> i know that. I am already sick of watching GL and GFX related google talks
Jan 04 19:29:58 <voso> i do NOT have ANY operations.
Jan 04 19:30:09 <voso> i have an empty effing draw loop!
Jan 04 19:30:10 <pfn> you have gc  :p
Jan 04 19:30:22 <voso> I HAVE GC in SYSTEM PROCESS!
Jan 04 19:30:29 <voso> sry for the caps..
Jan 04 19:30:36 <voso> I am just really desperate..
Jan 04 19:30:51 <pfn> sounds like a custom rom, give it more heap or something
Jan 04 19:30:56 <voso> I invested so much time into drawing my frames in <1ms, yet my screen Stutters..
Jan 04 19:31:15 <voso> No, i hate custom ROMs. Both my N1 and Nexus S run stock ROMs.
Jan 04 19:31:17 <kakazza> If I set the height of a LL in dp, why does not not respect that? I always have to use minHeight
Jan 04 19:31:46 <pfn> and for that matter, gc in system process shouldn't affect your own process, unless you're terribly out of memory
Jan 04 19:32:29 <voso> pfn: I am not out of memory. Again: the simplest GL demo will suffice for demonstration purposes.
Jan 04 19:33:15 <voso> the system process allocates sizable numbers of objects for every frame. it amounts to about 2 megabytes in 10 seconds..
Jan 04 19:34:36 <kbs> voso: out of curiosity, what versions of android do the stock installs on your N1 and Nexus S use?
Jan 04 19:35:34 <voso> kbs: 4.1.2 on my Nexus S
Jan 04 19:35:50 <lov> voso: I created and installed the BasicGLSurfaceView sample app that comes with the ADT. I'm not able to reproduce this.
Jan 04 19:35:57 <lov> I'm running an SGS3 with CM10
Jan 04 19:36:17 <lov> To be clear, it's been about a minute, and no GC has occured.
Jan 04 19:36:21 <voso> lov: you need to enable continuous rendering
Jan 04 19:36:37 <lov> voso: if you have a sample app to send me, that might be simplest.
Jan 04 19:37:34 <voso> the funny thing is my app (as well as others) is butter smooth (no GC) on my LG tablet running CM10. So I am not saying GC is an issue on each device..
Jan 04 19:37:51 <devslash> is anyone familiar with the jquery plugin jplayer ?
Jan 04 19:38:22 <AmandaC> devslash: wrong channel
Jan 04 19:38:26 <lov> voso: I've enabled continuous render. Looks fine.
Jan 04 19:38:26 <devslash> no
Jan 04 19:38:31 <voso> but how am I to know where it will be ok and where it will fail?? And failing on both N1 and Nexus S is a pretty bad indication to me..
Jan 04 19:38:54 <lov> voso: Have you filed a bug on b.android.com?
Jan 04 19:39:04 <lov> This sounds like an issue to be concerned about, if it's reproducable.
Jan 04 19:39:14 <devslash> my web view loads my webpage which uses jPlayer. the music plays for the most part. do i still need to link a MediaPlayer object to jplayer?
Jan 04 19:39:18 <lov> That said, it may already have been fixed.
Jan 04 19:39:24 <voso> no, I am now building AOSP ROM for my Nexus S - trying to debug it first on my device..
Jan 04 19:39:28 <lov> What version of Android are you running on your NS?
Jan 04 19:39:47 <AmandaC> more importantly, what are you rendering?
Jan 04 19:39:49 <voso> 4.1.2
Jan 04 19:40:13 <devslash> in the console, I'm getting an error message 01-04 11:39:52.236: E/MediaPlayer(20823): error (1, -107) but it does still play
Jan 04 19:40:19 <voso> the problem manifests without rendering anything
Jan 04 19:40:33 <lov> devslash: sounds like you're fine then :>
Jan 04 19:41:04 <voso> btw: if I just open up my apps drawer (stock) and start dragging around without lifting my finger sure enough the GC kicks in shortly.. ;)
Jan 04 19:41:05 <porten> when i update the contents of a spinner, the item displayed does not dispaly the first item on the list on an update
Jan 04 19:41:08 <devslash> iiv heres the thing, occasionally when you select a song, it won't play automatically and I see this error in log cat 01-04 11:40:32.181: E/MediaPlayer(20823): Attempt to call getDuration without a valid mediaplayer
Jan 04 19:41:43 <porten> if i had a list of 5 items and the 5th was in view on the spinner and I change it to a length 7 item spinner the 5th item of the new list is displayed
Jan 04 19:41:47 <devslash> lov:
Jan 04 19:41:54 <porten> how can i reset the view so that it displays the first item in a spinner?
Jan 04 19:42:36 <porten> notifyDataSetChanged refreshes the contents, but I would like the displayed item to be the first in the list
Jan 04 19:43:28 <voso> it does not even have to be the apps drawer.. just dragging the home screen around is enough..
Jan 04 19:44:10 <voso> doesn't all this sound outrageous to anyone from google? ;)
Jan 04 19:44:57 <devslash> lov: heres the thing, occasionally when you select a song, it won't play automatically and I see this error in log cat 01-04 11:40:32.181: E/MediaPlayer(20823): Attempt to call getDuration without a valid mediaplayer
Jan 04 19:45:50 <voso> drag around your (empty) home screens on a NexusS (4.1.2 stock) without lifting your finger for ~10seconds to produce a GC run freeing ~2MB of allocated JUNK! nice.
Jan 04 19:47:26 <AmandaC> voso: that's not graphics related then, it's probably the input layer
Jan 04 19:47:28 <kbs> voso: fwiw (and I share your frustration with many areas of android, as well as the pleasures of "letting it out" :) wonder if it's simplest to file a bug as lov suggests, so they at least have a reproducable test case, and a chance to fix it...
Jan 04 19:48:09 <voso> AmandaC: no, no its just another manifestation of what i described earlier. I guarantee you its GL/display related.
Jan 04 19:48:27 <voso> kbs: you are right.
Jan 04 19:48:36 <voso> and sry all for the rant..
Jan 04 19:48:55 <AmandaC> voso: how is it GL/Display related if you don't render anything, and it happens? :P
Jan 04 19:48:58 <voso> i am just so, sooo desperate.. after all that work.. the result is unacceptable..
Jan 04 19:50:01 <Winslow> is Holo by default dark? and in order to use Holo light version you use Holo.Light?
Jan 04 19:50:13 <devslash> if i want my app to run as a service, do i just add the <service in the manifest or do i need to do something else ?
Jan 04 19:50:25 <voso> AmandaC: I am not in the mood to stay calm much longer.. but let me try: 60 frames are rendered per second.
Jan 04 19:50:41 <dragorn> devslash: you have to write it as a service, and something has to launch that service
Jan 04 19:50:55 <dragorn> devslash: (if you mean can you just change an activity to a service, that is)
Jan 04 19:51:00 <devslash> i want my app to run in the background
Jan 04 19:51:25 <devslash> its a regular app that streams music so when you leave the app, i want it to continue running in the background
Jan 04 19:51:46 <dragorn> so you have to rewrite it into a service that plays music and a UI that launches the service and tells it what to play
Jan 04 19:52:16 <devslash> ugh
Jan 04 19:52:20 <devslash> sounds complicated
Jan 04 19:52:24 <dragorn> somewhat
Jan 04 19:52:31 <dragorn> there are examples on the developer site
Jan 04 19:54:50 <AmandaC> voso: don't talk down to me. I'm aware how the display pipeline works, and if you're not rendering anything, it's most likely just sitting there doing nothing. It's probably in the input layer, not the display layer.
Jan 04 19:55:38 <Pitel> https://github.com/Pitel/glslnfc/blob/FragmentPager/src/cz/pitel/glslnfc/EditorFragment.java#L18 why is this not happening? the text box is empty :(
Jan 04 19:57:19 <voso> AmandaC: I would not have 'raised my voice' , if you had not been making fun of what's been bothering me for many, many hours. Yes, I am frustrated. No, its not the input layer. I do not want to repeat 10 times the symptoms I already described. The home screen was just one of the many.
Jan 04 19:58:06 <voso> it was the easiest to test for anyone looking to confirm what I am crying about..
Jan 04 19:58:53 <voso> the other option is to download the GL demo from the developer site and run it with continuous rendering. & NO INPUT.
Jan 04 20:00:02 <voso> and you can safely remove all calls inside your Renderer's onDrawFrame(). That will still cause frames to render and will still exhibit the probelm.
Jan 04 20:01:57 * AmandaC shrugs, goes back to helping her family with stuff
Jan 04 20:03:37 <maslen> WhyWhy would an application be available for "0 devices" (trying to do some a first release to google play)
Jan 04 20:05:19 <maslen> Ah, I hadn't "Activated" one of the APK files
Jan 04 20:05:59 <Insayne> I got colours in R G B values (0-255), and wish to convert them to hexadecimal, is there a built-in way of doing this ?
Jan 04 20:06:28 <Insayne> in java itself you can do it using the color class, but it has been changed in android to its own, and doesnt have the functionality anymore
Jan 04 20:08:16 <evanc> Insayne: just bit-shift them
Jan 04 20:08:58 <AmandaC> Insayne: String.format("0x%2X%2X%2X", R, G, B) ?
Jan 04 20:09:23 <evanc> it's probably something like Integer.toHexString(red << 16 || green << 8 || blue)
Jan 04 20:09:32 <evanc> I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's something like that
Jan 04 20:09:53 <SimonVT> Remember the alpha channel
Jan 04 20:09:54 <Insayne> well i dont know at all :P
Jan 04 20:10:14 <evanc> Insayne: math is hard!
Jan 04 20:10:17 <evanc> let's go programming!
Jan 04 20:10:26 <lov> lets go chopping
Jan 04 20:10:29 <lov> I have raw red onions
Jan 04 20:10:39 * lov chops onions
Jan 04 20:12:17 <TacticalJoke> Hi.  I'm new to Android development.  I'm creating a simple app that updates a ListView at runtime.  I'm getting a runtime exception at, I think, line 32:  http://pastebin.com/R2fTgCc4
Jan 04 20:12:37 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Color.html#rgb(int, int, int)
Jan 04 20:12:42 <SimonVT> They even make it easy for you ;d
Jan 04 20:13:31 <evanc> SimonVT: :D
Jan 04 20:14:51 <TacticalJoke> Anyone?
Jan 04 20:15:29 <SimonVT> What does that runtime exception tell you
Jan 04 20:16:00 <SimonVT> new ArrayAdapter<String>(this, R.id.listView);
Jan 04 20:16:05 <SimonVT> This is wrong at least
Jan 04 20:16:20 <canadiancow> and im guessing its a NPE
Jan 04 20:16:23 <canadiancow> because the id is wrong
Jan 04 20:16:24 <canadiancow> or something
Jan 04 20:16:35 <SimonVT> Lets see what the constructor says
Jan 04 20:16:38 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ArrayAdapter.html#ArrayAdapter(android.content.Context,%20int)
Jan 04 20:16:42 <SimonVT> textViewResourceId	The resource ID for a layout file containing a TextView to use when instantiating views.
Jan 04 20:16:49 <SimonVT> So it should point to a R.layout
Jan 04 20:16:49 <Parhs> Hello. is LruCache  per activity only ? Can it be used for whole application ?
Jan 04 20:16:54 <SimonVT> That contains a textview
Jan 04 20:17:13 <SimonVT> R.id.listView doesn't do that
Jan 04 20:18:22 <KaiKai> Tactical Joke what error
Jan 04 20:18:25 <KaiKai> logcat plox.
Jan 04 20:18:34 <Ologn> TacticalJoke, yes, what they are seeing seems correct.  The problem is probably with line 26.  You are not creating the adapter object correctly.
Jan 04 20:19:11 <TacticalJoke> I think it's a ResourceNotFoundException.
Jan 04 20:19:17 <Pitel> https://github.com/Pitel/glslnfc/blob/FragmentPager/src/cz/pitel/glslnfc/EditorFragment.java#L18 why is this not happening? the text box is empty :( I found I should probably do it in onResume, but it didn't help.
Jan 04 20:19:17 <KaiKai> then waht simon says
Jan 04 20:19:18 <KaiKai> is correct
Jan 04 20:19:30 <TacticalJoke> When I use "R.layout", it won't compile.
Jan 04 20:19:52 <KaiKai> it is R.id
Jan 04 20:19:55 <KaiKai> but youre not using a layout
Jan 04 20:20:08 <KaiKai> hold on
Jan 04 20:20:23 <KaiKai> im spewing bullshit atm let me look at my previous code ^_^
Jan 04 20:21:57 <KaiKai> try android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1
Jan 04 20:22:47 <TacticalJoke> Okay, that works; thanks.
Jan 04 20:22:51 <KaiKai> np
Jan 04 20:23:15 <KaiKai> also, you can change it to simple_list_item_single_choice or multiple_choice
Jan 04 20:23:27 <KaiKai> if you run it youll see the difference
Jan 04 20:23:57 <TacticalJoke> Nice.
Jan 04 20:24:04 <Parhs> hello guys.. i have a listview that has some items. i have a custom adapter so it adds them as i want using the row template it should. It uses  simple_list_item_single_choice or multiple_choice. But i want to add another one. That will have quantity (a textview at right with quantity).If you press +1  or if you press the text with number -1..
Jan 04 20:24:09 <Parhs> how to store this information ?
Jan 04 20:25:05 <SimonVT> In a list
Jan 04 20:25:34 <Parhs> ok an then how can the view be updated ?
Jan 04 20:25:38 <Parhs> if it gets recycledd?
Jan 04 20:26:04 <KaiKai> i think it auto-updates
Jan 04 20:26:05 <Parhs> listview has checked only
Jan 04 20:26:10 <Anthaas> There is a paramter that is the recycled view if its there, or null if not.
Jan 04 20:26:33 <loin> hello, i'm having trouble with SQLiteOpenHelper, if i use SQLiteDatabase db = getReadableDatabase(); i get "illegal state exception, database not open"
Jan 04 20:26:36 <SimonVT> Or, I thought you meant the quantity
Jan 04 20:26:46 <KaiKai> mMyListView.getAdapter().notifyDataSetChanged();
Jan 04 20:27:02 <KaiKai> Parhs ^
Jan 04 20:27:06 <Parhs> i mean the quantity that
Jan 04 20:27:18 <Parhs> hm it seems promising
Jan 04 20:27:29 <Anthaas> Im assuming each row represents an object? Can't you just store the variable there?
Jan 04 20:27:50 <Parhs> loin it is a common prb you should get the instance somehow else
Jan 04 20:28:09 <Parhs> Anthaas were you refering to me ?
Jan 04 20:28:14 <loin> Parhs, thanks
Jan 04 20:28:18 <Anthaas> Parhs: Yes
Jan 04 20:28:52 <Parhs> http://imgur.com/nud9p
Jan 04 20:29:13 <Anthaas> SharedPreferences?
Jan 04 20:29:18 <Parhs> http://i.imgur.com/mmS4A.png
Jan 04 20:29:21 <Anthaas> Thats what that page instantly makes me think.
Jan 04 20:29:35 <Parhs> these are preferences for food
Jan 04 20:29:40 <Anthaas> Is it for a settings page?
Jan 04 20:29:44 <Anthaas> Oh
Jan 04 20:29:52 <Parhs> you can either choose 1 from each category (radio)
Jan 04 20:29:55 <Anthaas> What are you intending for the page to do?
Jan 04 20:29:57 <Parhs> multiple checkbox
Jan 04 20:30:04 <Parhs> or quantity (number)
Jan 04 20:30:22 <Parhs> http://i.imgur.com/mmS4A.png  this image shows the quantity thing
Jan 04 20:30:27 <Pitel> https://github.com/Pitel/glslnfc/blob/FragmentPager/src/cz/pitel/glslnfc/EditorFragment.java#L25 srsly, wtf?! why is the text field still empty? :(
Jan 04 20:30:59 <Parhs> i want if you click on Oreo for example to be 1 then if click again 2 etc
Jan 04 20:31:10 <Anthaas> And you want to know how you would do that?
Jan 04 20:31:18 <lov> Pitel: I'm assuming that the textview that you're finding isn't the textview that you want.
Jan 04 20:31:23 <Parhs> i have done this but i am not sure how to handle the data
Jan 04 20:31:28 <Anthaas> Ok
Jan 04 20:31:32 <Anthaas> What do you want to do with the data?@
Jan 04 20:31:47 <Parhs> i want when the user click at the tick at actionbar at top
Jan 04 20:31:55 <Parhs> to get all the checked ones
Jan 04 20:32:04 <Parhs> and all those that have quantity > 0
Jan 04 20:32:19 <Anthaas> Ok, once they do it, does this need to be sent to another activity?
Jan 04 20:32:19 <Parhs> but the objects in adapter dont have checked or quantity state
Jan 04 20:32:30 <Parhs> because they are the available preferences
Jan 04 20:32:32 <Pitel> lov: according to git grep, res/layout/editor.xml:  <EditText android:id="@+id/editor" ...> is the only view with id "editor"
Jan 04 20:32:41 <Parhs> yes it has Anthaas..
Jan 04 20:32:52 <Parhs> i have done this at other platforms though
Jan 04 20:33:00 <Anthaas> Ok, so the question is, are you wanting to store this information, or simply pass it?
Jan 04 20:33:01 <kaikai2> sorry disc
Jan 04 20:33:08 <kaikai2> are you still having the problem or no?
Jan 04 20:33:55 <Parhs> i dont know how to allow user change the quantity
Jan 04 20:34:01 <Anthaas> Ohhh
Jan 04 20:34:04 <Anthaas> Ok
Jan 04 20:34:04 <Parhs> and then find all these that have changed quantity
Jan 04 20:34:12 <Anthaas> For each row, are you inflating a view?
Jan 04 20:34:23 <Parhs> i guess i can make them parceable and pass them when i have them in order to send then via intent
Jan 04 20:34:38 <Anthaas> They do not need to be parcelable.
Jan 04 20:34:49 <Anthaas> You can have the intent hold a (String, String) pair.
Jan 04 20:34:51 <Anthaas> In a Bundle.
Jan 04 20:34:56 <Anthaas> That would be easier.
Jan 04 20:35:07 <Anthaas> However, lets sort letting the user change the quantity first.
Jan 04 20:35:13 <Parhs> Anthaas this is my code
Jan 04 20:35:14 <Parhs> http://pastebin.com/W94uPekz
Jan 04 20:35:15 <Parhs> short
Jan 04 20:35:18 <Anthaas> For each row, are you inflating a view?
Jan 04 20:35:53 <Parhs> i am not sure what you mean but i guess i do
Jan 04 20:36:03 <Parhs> see the if structure in my code
Jan 04 20:36:11 <Anthaas> Right
Jan 04 20:36:16 <Parhs>  if(group.SelectionMode ==1){
Jan 04 20:36:16 <Parhs>                                 rowTemplate=R.layout.list_item_single_choice;
Jan 04 20:36:24 <Anthaas> To me, it would seem that your layout isn't best suited for the job you want it to do.
Jan 04 20:36:48 <Anthaas> The row where you want the user to be able to increase and decrease a quantity should have buttons to signify this, like one with + and one with -
Jan 04 20:37:18 <Anthaas> What to do then, is get the value, increase or decrease by 1, and then set the vallue of the text view again
Jan 04 20:37:30 <Anthaas> Depending on which button has been pressed
Jan 04 20:37:40 <Anthaas> You can set onClickListeners to the buttons
Jan 04 20:39:47 <Parhs> Anthaas something like this . I mean that i would put it in a rectagle the quantity .. if you press at left +1 .. if you press then the quantity(different background) -1
Jan 04 20:40:09 <Parhs> but i should make it a button then?
Jan 04 20:40:23 <Parhs> textview doesnt have a click event ?
Jan 04 20:40:37 <Anthaas> Buttons aren't the only things capable of holding onClickListeners, as a rule of thumb, if I want text to be a button, I just use textview
Jan 04 20:40:42 <Anthaas> Yes, exactly. Use textview.
Jan 04 20:41:02 <Anthaas> So, if they press + then quantity increases, and if they press - quantity decreases
Jan 04 20:41:06 <licksjp> Hello
Jan 04 20:41:06 <ctate> pretty much all of the Android controls are descended from TextView.
Jan 04 20:41:13 <Anthaas> View*
Jan 04 20:41:15 <licksjp> I am Japanese
Jan 04 20:41:20 <Parhs> where should i put the event handlers in my code
Jan 04 20:41:21 <Parhs> ?
Jan 04 20:41:22 <licksjp>  I live in Japan
Jan 04 20:41:27 <Anthaas> TextView extends View :P
Jan 04 20:42:07 <maslen> Besides using the name, how can I search for my application in the android market?
Jan 04 20:42:13 <Anthaas> Developer
Jan 04 20:42:32 <TacticalJoke> Can I do something like "listView.setOnItemClickListener(MyMethod);" and then define MyMethod later?
Jan 04 20:42:40 <TacticalJoke> I don't like defining the method within the code.
Jan 04 20:42:45 <ctate> maslen: you can search by package name, no?
Jan 04 20:42:54 <ctate> TacticalJoke: yes
Jan 04 20:42:55 <Anthaas> ctate: indeed you can
Jan 04 20:43:03 <maslen> ctate: I have no idea how to do that :)
Jan 04 20:43:17 <Anthaas> what did you use as the package name of your program?
Jan 04 20:43:19 <Anthaas> search for that
Jan 04 20:43:21 <ctate> maslen: type the package name into the search bar, instead of the user-visible app name
Jan 04 20:43:28 <Anthaas> e.g. com.example.app
Jan 04 20:44:56 <TacticalJoke> ctate: How?
Jan 04 20:45:19 <ctate> TacticalJoke: err, in the usual way?  this is basic ##java stuff
Jan 04 20:45:36 <TacticalJoke> I don't actually know Java.
Jan 04 20:45:49 <devslash> i want my app to continue running in the background when you exit the app. is making it a service the only way to do this ?
Jan 04 20:45:56 <TacticalJoke> I hope it doesn't involve implementing ActionListener.
Jan 04 20:45:56 <Anthaas> ....why are you doing Android? hahaha
Jan 04 20:45:59 <Anthaas> No
Jan 04 20:46:08 <Anthaas> You do it precisely as you said
Jan 04 20:46:14 <TacticalJoke> I started Android development last night.
Jan 04 20:46:23 <Anthaas> You should learn Java first.
Jan 04 20:46:27 <TacticalJoke> I know C#.
Jan 04 20:46:27 <g00s> at 11:59 PM
Jan 04 20:46:32 <TacticalJoke> It should be easy to learn Java.
Jan 04 20:46:51 <Anthaas> Indeed, they are different enough to cause a problem though.
Jan 04 20:46:53 <Parhs> java isnt the problem
Jan 04 20:47:08 <Anthaas> You should learn Java before Android.
Jan 04 20:47:18 <TacticalJoke> I'm learning as I go.
Jan 04 20:47:22 <Anthaas> Ok
Jan 04 20:47:24 <Anthaas> Either way
Jan 04 20:47:29 <Parhs> you have 0 experience with java?
Jan 04 20:47:33 <SimonVT> You define your OnItemClickListener wherever
Jan 04 20:47:33 <TacticalJoke> Pretty much.
Jan 04 20:47:35 <maslen> You're likely not learning or going very far then :(
Jan 04 20:47:35 <Anthaas> You would just define your method as you would any other method
Jan 04 20:47:37 <SimonVT> Call it something
Jan 04 20:47:39 <TacticalJoke> I know C, C++, C#, Delphi, etc.
Jan 04 20:47:39 <SimonVT> Then pass that
Jan 04 20:47:40 <cythrawll> besides
Jan 04 20:47:44 <cythrawll> android isn't java :p
Jan 04 20:47:46 <TacticalJoke> It can't be too hard to learn Java.
Jan 04 20:47:46 <Anthaas> and have that method as the parameter
Jan 04 20:48:07 <g00s> TacticalJoke: it should be pretty easy for you then
Jan 04 20:48:10 <Anthaas> Its not, but you are trying to run before you can walk.
Jan 04 20:48:42 <devslash> does anyone know ?
Jan 04 20:49:01 <devslash> java isn't that hard is you know C++
Jan 04 20:49:28 <Anthaas> Its not hard, but you should have a good understanding of it before doing Android.
Jan 04 20:49:40 <TacticalJoke> I guess that events aren't first-class citizens in Java.
Jan 04 20:49:58 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke.
Jan 04 20:49:59 <TacticalJoke> Anthaas, that's not really practical.  Almost everyone has an incomplete knowledge of Java before coming to Android.
Jan 04 20:50:05 <TacticalJoke> It's just a case of how incomplete that knowledge is.
Jan 04 20:50:35 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Agreed, but as you said, you have 0 experience.
Jan 04 20:50:38 <Anthaas> Either way
Jan 04 20:50:44 <Anthaas> Set the onclicklistener as you have
Jan 04 20:50:56 <Anthaas> Ohhhh
Jan 04 20:50:57 <Anthaas> hang on
Jan 04 20:51:22 <TacticalJoke> Well, effectively, my experience with other languages probably counts as some experience.
Jan 04 20:51:57 <Anthaas> What would your method be doing?
Jan 04 20:52:03 <g00s> TacticalJoke: you could probably just skim the Oracle Java Tutorials in an afternoon or something
Jan 04 20:52:10 <TacticalJoke> Displaying a message box or something.
Jan 04 20:52:16 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, g00s.
Jan 04 20:52:23 <Anthaas> thats not how that method works then
Jan 04 20:52:31 <lov> TacticalJoke: public class FooActivity { ... public void onCreate(...) { ... findViewById(R.id.foo).setOnClickListener(listener); ... } private View.OnClickListener listener = new View.OnClickListener() { public void onClick(View v) { ... } } }
Jan 04 20:52:36 <g00s> syntax will be familiar; look at Inner classes and Anonymous Inner classes as one area of difference than C++ inner classes
Jan 04 20:52:52 <Anthaas> setOnItemClickListener(new OnItemClickListener { <overridden methods here> });
Jan 04 20:53:00 <g00s> you can practically ignore reflection stuff at the moment also
Jan 04 20:53:03 <lov> TacticalJoke: no, you don't have to declare things before you can reference them. The compler handles building up the necessary information to handle this.
Jan 04 20:53:05 <Anthaas> and in those overridden methods is where you'd call your method
Jan 04 20:53:17 <g00s> also, learn about concurrency in java; you can't escape it
Jan 04 20:53:27 <Anthaas> Especially with Android...
Jan 04 20:53:28 <lov> TacticalJoke: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
Jan 04 20:53:36 <g00s> i would recommend: Skim Oracle Tuts, look at Effective Java 2e + Java Concurrency in Practice
Jan 04 20:53:38 <lov> Start at "Learning the Java Language" and skim.
Jan 04 20:53:47 <Anthaas> For example, to be able to network in Android, you need to thread it. AsyncTasks handle this, but should only be used for small tasks.
Jan 04 20:53:50 <lov> Read Essential Java Classes, and Collections.
Jan 04 20:54:09 <lov> You might want to look for a "Java for C# Developers" book or tutorial.
Jan 04 20:54:25 <g00s> man, that has to be a painful book
Jan 04 20:54:28 <canadiancow> why should it only be used for "small tasks" ?
Jan 04 20:54:36 <g00s> "how to go from smart to stupid"
Jan 04 20:54:37 <cythrawll> speaking of which
Jan 04 20:54:38 <TacticalJoke> Thanks, lov.
Jan 04 20:54:45 <lov> g00s: derp.
Jan 04 20:54:46 <cythrawll> anyone does android dev in scala yet? :3
Jan 04 20:54:47 <str8uplinux> how to you use Timer() schedule to run exactly ON the hour?
Jan 04 20:55:10 <str8uplinux> And EVERY TOP of the hour...
Jan 04 20:55:21 <g00s> str8uplinux: you dont, use AlarmManager
Jan 04 20:56:13 <Anthaas> canadiancow: Its been a while since I found the reasons why (came across a problem when using it). If you give me a second, I can research why I have said this.
Jan 04 20:56:56 <g00s> so, looking at the new Android platform version stats - I wonder if at this point (since GB was special in being around so long) we'll just have new Android versions every 6 mos and no one will ever raise above 10-15%
Jan 04 20:56:59 <ctate> cythrawll: there's one person who hangs out here who uses scala. pfn iirc.
Jan 04 20:57:13 <Anthaas> I remember I was trying to do some networking and came across a problem using it, and so had to thread the job myself.
Jan 04 20:59:17 <TacticalJoke> Setting up an OnItemClick handler for a ListView seems so messy.
Jan 04 20:59:33 <devslash> has anyone here written an app that acts as a service ?
Jan 04 20:59:34 <TacticalJoke> Isn't there an event like the onClick thing with Buttons?
Jan 04 21:00:09 <Anoia> devslash: can you be more specific? various things require a service class but don;t really "run"
Jan 04 21:00:44 <Anthaas> I think part of the reason was the threadpool size in Asynctask
Jan 04 21:01:07 <canadiancow> Anthaas, ok, so would it be better to say "you should only use asynctask when you have FEW tasks"
Jan 04 21:01:11 <canadiancow> as opposed to SMALL tasks
Jan 04 21:01:38 <canadiancow> if i need to download >9000 files, i handle it myself. but if i need to run a massive query to fetch some content, one time, i'll use an asynctask
Jan 04 21:01:59 <Anthaas> I think there is also a limit on the memory available to AsyncTask which isnt there when manually threading
Jan 04 21:02:20 <canadiancow> that's not true
Jan 04 21:02:36 <g00s> Anthaas: how did you hear that ?
Jan 04 21:02:47 <g00s> thats a very strange thing to say
Jan 04 21:02:50 <Anthaas> It was a while since I had the problem, it might have in fact been related to the heap size.
Jan 04 21:03:09 <devslash> i have an app that I've written that streams music. the class extends Activity but I want it to continue streaming in the background. at the moment when you exit the app it does continue streaming but android will occasionally kill the process if it needs to free up resources. i want to have it continue running in the background but am trying to figure out how to implement it as a service when I created the app as an activity
Jan 04 21:03:16 <g00s> well, there was a weird thing in Froyo where objects created on threads didn't get GC'd in a timely manner if i recall
Jan 04 21:03:17 <Anthaas> Im trying to remember myself! haha, the thing about few tasks, as corrected by canadiancow, is correct though
Jan 04 21:03:24 <Anthaas> The threadpool size is limited with AsyncTask
Jan 04 21:03:35 <canadiancow> well no
Jan 04 21:03:41 <canadiancow> your app will have a limit on threads
Jan 04 21:03:53 <canadiancow> its just harder to manage a thread pool with asynctask
Jan 04 21:04:02 <canadiancow> im not even sure its possible prior to 3.x or something
Jan 04 21:04:35 <ctate> yes, there's a max thread pool count in AsyncTask
Jan 04 21:04:43 <ctate> it's 128
Jan 04 21:04:50 <Anthaas> Really?!
Jan 04 21:04:56 <Anthaas> My bad, I thought it was smaller than that.
Jan 04 21:05:02 <TacticalJoke> I can't use "AlertDialog.Builder(this)" inside my click listener because 'this' doesn't refer to the right thing anymore.
Jan 04 21:05:07 <ctate> well, that's what it is *now*
Jan 04 21:05:15 <devslash> Anoia: did you see what i wrote above ?
Jan 04 21:05:16 <ctate> but i don't think it's ever been *small*
Jan 04 21:06:06 <Anoia> ww.opeyou need to move all streaming/playing to the service
Jan 04 21:06:16 <Anoia> and then have your activity talk to that
Jan 04 21:06:34 <Anoia> (the same way a dektop app has the UI thread and a backend that does the work
Jan 04 21:07:01 <devslash> Anoia: I've written an app that streams music. the main class extends Activity but I want it to continue streaming in the background. at the moment when you exit the app it does continue streaming but android will occasionally kill the process if it needs to free up resources. i want to have it continue running in the background but am trying to figure out how to implement it as a service when I created the app as an activity
Jan 04 21:07:46 <Anoia> you need to move all streaming/playing to the service
Jan 04 21:07:49 <ctate> the actual player needs to be a Service
Jan 04 21:07:49 <Anoia> < Anoia> and then have your activity talk to that
Jan 04 21:07:59 <ctate> and the Activity just for presenting UI
Jan 04 21:08:06 <devslash> heres the thing, I'm not using a media player. my activity loads a webview
Jan 04 21:08:27 <Anoia> ah, the vital detail that people miss out
Jan 04 21:08:35 <AmandaC> then ytou'll have to rewrite it to not use the webview
Jan 04 21:08:44 <Anoia> so it needs the UI context
Jan 04 21:08:44 <devslash> balls.....
Jan 04 21:09:02 <Anoia> that's the problem with using a UI control for non UI stuff
Jan 04 21:09:46 <TacticalJoke> How can I use AlertDialog within a listener?
Jan 04 21:09:55 <TacticalJoke> 'this' doesn't refer to the right thing anymore.
Jan 04 21:09:59 <devslash> ok I'm a little bit confused
Jan 04 21:10:08 <devslash> how do i manage an activity if my app is a service
Jan 04 21:10:19 <TacticalJoke> "AlertDialog dialog = new AlertDialog.Builder(this).create();" won't compile.
Jan 04 21:10:26 <Anoia> devslash: you don't
Jan 04 21:10:33 <Anoia> the activity manages itself
Jan 04 21:10:35 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: OuterClass.this
Jan 04 21:10:41 <Anoia> it just communicates with the service
Jan 04 21:10:48 <g00s> TacticalJoke: time to go read Java ;)
Jan 04 21:10:53 <Anoia> and an app isn;t a service
Jan 04 21:11:10 <Anoia> an app/package just contains services, activities, listeners, etc
Jan 04 21:11:26 <TacticalJoke> It says there is no OuterClass.
Jan 04 21:11:29 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: AlertDialog.Builder builder = new AlertDialog.Builder(this); AlertDialog dialog = builder.create().show();
Jan 04 21:11:49 <TacticalJoke> That doesn't work because 'this' is referring to the wrong thing, Anthaas.
Jan 04 21:11:50 <g00s> Anthaas: you need to read a Java book too :)
Jan 04 21:12:06 <Anthaas> Ooooh
Jan 04 21:12:07 <Anthaas> Hahaha
Jan 04 21:12:14 <SimonVT> Do what AmandaC said
Jan 04 21:12:14 <Anthaas> MyActicvty.this
Jan 04 21:12:19 <Anthaas> MyActivity.this ***
Jan 04 21:12:31 <Anthaas> I saw that problem, and went ahead and typed it anyway hahahaha
Jan 04 21:12:41 <TacticalJoke> Okay, that worked, Anthaas.  Thanks.
Jan 04 21:13:04 <Anthaas> g00s: Hahaha, I saw that problem, and went ahead and retyped it anyway
Jan 04 21:13:11 <TacticalJoke> Is anyone else secretly unhappy that the Android guys didn't choose C# instead?
Jan 04 21:13:20 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: no
Jan 04 21:13:23 * AmandaC can't stand C#
Jan 04 21:13:35 <TacticalJoke> I love C# so much.
Jan 04 21:13:39 <Anthaas> You have Windows Phone if you want C#.
Jan 04 21:14:09 <evanc> TacticalJoke: no
Jan 04 21:14:12 <Anoia> I want c# but not a windows phone :)
Jan 04 21:14:26 <Anoia> there IS a project to compile C# fr android
Jan 04 21:14:31 <TacticalJoke> Right, Anoia.
Jan 04 21:14:39 <ctate> c# has advantages and disadvantages
Jan 04 21:14:40 <Anoia> and it provides c# versions of the android framework
Jan 04 21:14:49 <Anoia> xamarin or something?
Jan 04 21:14:59 <TacticalJoke> So far, I really dislike the Java naming convention.  So ugly.
Jan 04 21:15:04 * kbs just ports yet another scheme interpreter on top of <insert hot new language> :-)
Jan 04 21:15:07 <TacticalJoke> ESPECIALLY_STUFF_LIKE_THIS
Jan 04 21:15:13 <TacticalJoke> C# had it down so well.
Jan 04 21:15:15 <Anthaas> THINGS_LIKE_THIS_ARE_CONSTANTS
Jan 04 21:15:19 <TacticalJoke> YES
Jan 04 21:15:20 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 21:15:25 <evanc> TacticalJoke: if that's your biggest beef with Java, either you haven't used it yet or they did an amazing job designing it
Jan 04 21:15:26 <TacticalJoke> But C# constants WereLikeThis.
Jan 04 21:15:35 <Anthaas> ThisIsAClass
Jan 04 21:15:38 <TacticalJoke> That's my biggest beef in a few hours of using it.
Jan 04 21:15:40 <Anthaas> thisIsAVariable
Jan 04 21:15:44 <Anthaas> thisIsAMethod()
Jan 04 21:15:54 <TacticalJoke> I don't like an initial lowercase char for methods.
Jan 04 21:16:03 <TacticalJoke> ThisShouldBeAMethod();
Jan 04 21:16:06 <Anoia> you can use whatever naming scheme you want :)
Jan 04 21:16:14 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, but inconsistency sets off my OCD.
Jan 04 21:16:15 <Anthaas> ThisIsAConstructor()
Jan 04 21:16:18 <TacticalJoke> And annoys people in general.
Jan 04 21:17:23 <TacticalJoke> I notice that resource names, or whatever, seem to have underscroes.
Jan 04 21:17:25 <TacticalJoke> underscores*
Jan 04 21:17:40 <Anthaas> xml resource names have to be in all lower case
Jan 04 21:17:44 <TacticalJoke> Underscores are evil things that shouldn't even exist, if you ask me.
Jan 04 21:17:49 <Anthaas> however the underscores are in place of a space, and are not necessary
Jan 04 21:17:51 <matt9> i miss c# properties and tuples and lambda expressions in android development :(
Jan 04 21:17:54 <Anthaas> we all have our own naming conventions
Jan 04 21:18:17 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 04 21:18:19 <Anthaas> for me mVariable is a member variable. _variable is passed in a parameter and variable is a variable used only inside a method
Jan 04 21:18:42 <TacticalJoke> How about the "mVariable" thing.  That's so old-fashioned.
Jan 04 21:18:47 <TacticalJoke> Oh, you just said that.  lol
Jan 04 21:18:59 <Anthaas> Hahaha
Jan 04 21:18:59 <Anthaas> It is
Jan 04 21:19:00 <Anthaas> BUT
Jan 04 21:19:01 <Anoia> lol, I hate prefixes liek that too
Jan 04 21:19:19 <Anthaas> Its very easy to distinguish things, keep short variable names and allow word reusability
Jan 04 21:19:27 <TacticalJoke> Do people do that with protected variables?  If so, I might have to do that.  :/
Jan 04 21:19:30 <Anthaas> I only do that when Im writing a big piece
Jan 04 21:19:41 <Anthaas> if its something short I dont both, I just use this.variable etc
Jan 04 21:19:43 <TacticalJoke> True, but I'm of the school that states that, if methods are short, as they should be, then there is no problem here.
Jan 04 21:19:48 <Anthaas> bother*
Jan 04 21:19:48 <beastmanrage> I need to animate a series of png's layered on top of eachother, should i include them all within one view?
Jan 04 21:19:57 <kbs> mVar (or this.var) is pretty helpful when debugging threading problems; typically only need to worry about those
Jan 04 21:20:13 <TacticalJoke> Can I get away without using the "mFoo" convention?
Jan 04 21:20:14 <Anthaas> kbs: exactly
Jan 04 21:20:20 <Anthaas> of course
Jan 04 21:20:23 <TacticalJoke> Will I be exposed to anyone else's mWhatevers at any point?
Jan 04 21:20:26 <kbs> but mVar is safer; because you can forget to do this.var
Jan 04 21:20:30 <TacticalJoke> Like inherited stuff.
Jan 04 21:20:40 <Anthaas> How you name things is entirely down to you, with a few expcetios. Variable IS a class, no exceptions
Jan 04 21:20:44 <TacticalJoke> Doesn't the compiler flag self-assignment?
Jan 04 21:20:54 <TacticalJoke> Like "x = x;".
Jan 04 21:21:13 <SimonVT> You can use whatever naming convention you want
Jan 04 21:22:12 <SimonVT> But you should the android naming convention
Jan 04 21:22:20 <SimonVT> it also makes it easier for people to read when asking for help
Jan 04 21:22:30 * AmandaC finds it's easyer to go with whatever language/platform she's using's conventions
Jan 04 21:22:41 <Anthaas> Yes
Jan 04 21:22:48 <Anthaas> as Amanda said really
Jan 04 21:23:06 <AmandaC> your mental model can change, you can't expect us all to change ours for your OCD. :P
Jan 04 21:23:09 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I go with their convention.
Jan 04 21:23:27 <TacticalJoke> My OCD is related to bad conventions.  lol
Jan 04 21:23:38 <TacticalJoke> I didn't have problems with C#.  I had many with C++, of course.
Jan 04 21:23:45 <TacticalJoke> The whole C++ language set me off.
Jan 04 21:23:51 <TacticalJoke> It's one big mess of various ideas.
Jan 04 21:23:52 * AmandaC wishes Java/Android had something like Go's gofmt
Jan 04 21:23:57 <kbs> of course, the right thing to do is to compile down to java ;-)
Jan 04 21:24:07 <kbs> then you can make up the best language for your job
Jan 04 21:24:11 * kbs runs away
Jan 04 21:24:33 <TacticalJoke> So you guys would advocate my using mWhatever, right?
Jan 04 21:24:37 <TacticalJoke> Guys and gals.
Jan 04 21:24:41 <Anthaas> Yes
Jan 04 21:24:45 <SimonVT> yes
Jan 04 21:24:52 <pfn> ?
Jan 04 21:24:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 04 21:25:02 <g00s> i dont, unless you plan on submitting code to android or something
Jan 04 21:25:04 <TacticalJoke> God, it makes me shudder.
Jan 04 21:25:05 <Anthaas> mMemberVariable
Jan 04 21:25:15 <TacticalJoke> I might release some stuff on Google Play, or whatever it's called.
Jan 04 21:25:17 <Anthaas> That is just to make your life easier really
Jan 04 21:25:19 <pfn> cythrawll, there are a number of shops that have been doing android dev in scala
Jan 04 21:25:23 <pfn> not so many
Jan 04 21:25:24 <pfn> but there are
Jan 04 21:26:01 <TacticalJoke> I don't like putting opening braces on the same line with classes and methods.
Jan 04 21:26:07 <TacticalJoke> But like it with basically everything else.
Jan 04 21:26:15 <AmandaC> Actually, I wonder
Jan 04 21:26:34 <Anthaas> Where you put { is entirely up to you. It makes no difference, some people prefer same line, like me, some prefer new line.
Jan 04 21:26:51 <cythrawll> pfn, is there any good resources on how?
Jan 04 21:27:00 <cythrawll> i'm a huge scala fan boi
Jan 04 21:27:21 <Anthaas> Im planning on learning a new language. Either Python or C++ (which I have a little experience in).
Jan 04 21:27:25 <Anthaas> Which would you guys recommend?
Jan 04 21:27:25 <cythrawll> and if I could do the same sort of thing for android dev, i'd be elated.
Jan 04 21:27:27 <pfn> cythrawll, what resources, get an android sbt plugin, and write normally as if it were java, but in scala instead
Jan 04 21:27:47 <pfn> I have my own android sdk plugin, or you can use jberkel's or there's a third plugin
Jan 04 21:28:02 <cythrawll> pfn, nice
Jan 04 21:28:05 <TacticalJoke> I really disliked C++.
Jan 04 21:28:07 <TacticalJoke> Personally.
Jan 04 21:28:31 <TacticalJoke> It's like combining a piano and a Ford.  Sure, you can drive and play, but it looks stupid and it's annoying.
Jan 04 21:28:34 <Anthaas> How come?
Jan 04 21:28:37 <g00s> Anthaas: depends on what you want to do.
Jan 04 21:28:39 <TacticalJoke> It tries to be too much.
Jan 04 21:28:47 <Anthaas> g00s: Which would either be good for?
Jan 04 21:29:07 <g00s> i would still use C++ for embedded or performance critical stuff
Jan 04 21:29:21 <g00s> Python for where dynamically typed language is nice
Jan 04 21:29:23 <kaikai2> isnt python more for scripts?
Jan 04 21:29:47 <kaikai2> more oriented*
Jan 04 21:29:48 <Anthaas> Basically, and here is the embarrassing part where people stop taking you seriously, Im a student studying Software Engineering, and am looking to learn a new language to increase my future prospects...
Jan 04 21:29:54 <g00s> of course, come C++ features can get you in trouble in embedded but anyhow
Jan 04 21:30:15 <TacticalJoke> I'm inclined to say that C++ is evidence that we humans are pretty dumb.
Jan 04 21:30:30 <cythrawll> i also dislike C++
Jan 04 21:30:32 <cythrawll> not that it's dumb
Jan 04 21:30:37 <cythrawll> pretty smart language for it's time
Jan 04 21:30:39 <kaikai2> Anthaas, prospects how? freelancing or corporate work?
Jan 04 21:30:40 <cythrawll> it's just that was a long time ago
Jan 04 21:30:46 <cythrawll> and we've found better approaches to problems
Jan 04 21:30:53 <g00s> Anthaas: also, for gaming, i guess c++. again, no harm in knowing both, but c++ is a big language
Jan 04 21:31:04 <kaikai2> cythrawll what do you recommend aside from C++?
Jan 04 21:31:04 <Anthaas> kaikai2: Both really. I want a decent job, but I want to be able to do projects on the side.
Jan 04 21:31:14 <Anthaas> g00s: I don't want to get into gaming.
Jan 04 21:31:21 <cythrawll> kaikai2, did I mention I'm a huge scala fan boi?
Jan 04 21:31:24 <TacticalJoke> I guess I say it's evidence that we humans are dumb because (1) it, a chuck-it-all-in-there language, was created and (2) it got popular.
Jan 04 21:31:29 <Anthaas> g00s: Its never particularly interested me.
Jan 04 21:31:36 <kaikai2> nope, but just wondering since ive never looked into scala
Jan 04 21:31:36 <g00s> Anthaas: google uses Python, c++, and Java for a reason … they selected a few languages that are good at different spaces
Jan 04 21:31:51 <kaikai2> whats the difference between that c++, python, and java?
Jan 04 21:31:53 <cythrawll> python is pretty good to learn
Jan 04 21:32:03 <g00s> kaikai2: too big a discussion for gere
Jan 04 21:32:07 <g00s> *here
Jan 04 21:32:09 <kaikai2> mhmm
Jan 04 21:32:15 <kaikai2> probably look into scala then
Jan 04 21:32:24 <cythrawll> I think everyone should learn python once.
Jan 04 21:32:27 <Anthaas> Im new to IRC but I plan on coming here a lot. To this room especially. I'll probably pick up Python then.
Jan 04 21:32:41 <Anthaas> Once Im good at that Ill look at either C# or C++
Jan 04 21:32:46 <kaikai2> anthaas, python in general was pretty easy
Jan 04 21:32:55 <TacticalJoke> Mercurial's written in Python.
Jan 04 21:32:56 <kaikai2> 1-2 weeks max imo
Jan 04 21:33:03 <g00s> Anthaas: Python is nice for data analysis, some scientific computing with SciPy and NumPy, etc.
Jan 04 21:33:17 <cythrawll> g00s, not as good as Mathematica!
Jan 04 21:33:22 <g00s> you can use Django for web sites, etc
Jan 04 21:33:24 <StingRay_> python is essential for most highend dcc packages for vfx and games
Jan 04 21:33:37 <g00s> but i doubt anybody today would recommend building a web app in c++, heh
Jan 04 21:33:50 <g00s> cythrawll: mathematica ftw
Jan 04 21:33:53 <pfn> but but, what about my c++ webapp framework?  oh noes!
Jan 04 21:34:10 <Anthaas> g00s: Cool. Well, perhaps you might be able to direct me once I have established a decent foothold?
Jan 04 21:34:25 <kaikai2> anthaas wrecked havoc on this channel :O
Jan 04 21:34:38 <Anthaas> Hahaha, WHAT HAVE I DONE. IM A MONSTER :(
Jan 04 21:34:45 <g00s> Anthaas: work on problems that interest you, find the best language for that, and away you go
Jan 04 21:34:50 <Anthaas> We need more Java, Android, and Apple-bashing!
Jan 04 21:35:05 <cythrawll> what about windows mobile platform?
Jan 04 21:35:08 <cythrawll> we bash that too?
Jan 04 21:35:09 <kaikai2> my sister and parents want to grab an iphone since iphones came to tmobile
Jan 04 21:35:14 <Anthaas> Naturally
Jan 04 21:35:26 <kaikai2> i told them id take their new iphone and smash it with a hammer and then throw it in a river
Jan 04 21:35:33 <Anthaas> Give them an Android phone with an iOS theme. See if they can tell the difference hahaha
Jan 04 21:35:35 <g00s> i am curious what iOS 7 will be like now that Forstall is gone, :)
Jan 04 21:35:40 <StingRay_> iphone is for the aged and for girls
Jan 04 21:35:51 <StingRay_> or at least more so than android
Jan 04 21:35:52 <kaikai2> its not just that lol nexus phone compared to brand new iphone phone
Jan 04 21:36:10 <kaikai2> and nexus fucked it all up. and in addition siri used google for its results
Jan 04 21:36:10 <Anthaas> iOS 7 will have massive new features, like wavy rectanges (patent pending...) etc.
Jan 04 21:36:11 <Anthaas> hahaha
Jan 04 21:36:12 <kaikai2> lotastic.
Jan 04 21:36:44 <g00s> Anthaas: also, C++ is a first class citizen on WP8 / Ubuntu Phone, if you ever liked those.
Jan 04 21:36:52 <StingRay_> from a user standpoint though I wish android was more like ios
Jan 04 21:36:56 <g00s> i dont think Python is first class on any mobile platform, so if you like mobile then ...
Jan 04 21:37:00 <kaikai2> StringRay how so?
Jan 04 21:37:14 <Anthaas> I SOOOO want an Ubuntu phone in 2014 when they might be half decent. As well as Android of course, because I love Android.
Jan 04 21:37:30 <StingRay_> well, I'm 1st a vfx artist, and only dabble in dev
Jan 04 21:37:33 <kaikai2> unbutu is linux based right????
Jan 04 21:37:35 <g00s> yeah, i used Ubuntu a lot - i would love it … but i'm not optimistic :)
Jan 04 21:37:37 <Anthaas> g00s: I noticed that although C# is the main language, you can write in C++ on WP8.
Jan 04 21:37:37 <StingRay_> so I look for fluidity
Jan 04 21:37:37 <kaikai2> and android is linux kernel
Jan 04 21:37:44 <StingRay_> ios wins hands down
Jan 04 21:37:47 <StingRay_> simple tings
Jan 04 21:37:54 <StingRay_> like keyboard popup
Jan 04 21:37:55 <Anthaas> It is. At the moment, the Ubuntu thing that was released 2 days ago is "Ubuntu for Android"
Jan 04 21:37:58 <Anthaas> not pure Ubuntu.,
Jan 04 21:38:00 <StingRay_> smooth nice
Jan 04 21:38:12 <StingRay_> but that sums all of it up
Jan 04 21:38:16 <StingRay_> smooth nice simple
Jan 04 21:38:17 <g00s> one thing that could give Ubuntu phone a boost is if Samsung used it, but I suspect they will just continue on their Tizen Plan B
Jan 04 21:38:20 <TacticalJoke> Imagine if Android used C++.
Jan 04 21:38:23 <kaikai2> stingray what version of android do you current use?
Jan 04 21:38:25 <kaikai2> and what phone
Jan 04 21:38:28 <TacticalJoke> Would we even be here right now?
Jan 04 21:38:31 <ctate> TacticalJoke: it'd help less than you think
Jan 04 21:38:39 <StingRay_> all versions and lots of phones
Jan 04 21:38:39 <ctate> remember that there's a JIT and all
Jan 04 21:38:40 <Anthaas> Im sure Samsung will continue using Android as well as their Tizen OS.
Jan 04 21:38:51 <ctate> and all the real performance bottlenecks are already in C
Jan 04 21:38:52 <StingRay_> 2.3.6 all the way to 4.2.1
Jan 04 21:38:58 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'm anti-C++.
Jan 04 21:39:01 <IndiumIndeed> Hi, how do I know, if I am successfully getting test ads in admob? I am getting some ads, but I don't know, if they are real or test. Should test ads look different?
Jan 04 21:39:03 <TacticalJoke> I'm saying that it would have been disastrous.
Jan 04 21:39:10 <StingRay_> origional galaxy series phones and nexus etc
Jan 04 21:39:13 <StingRay_> sammy tablets
Jan 04 21:39:15 <ctate> also native code is a lot *bigger* than bytecode
Jan 04 21:39:21 <StingRay_> nexus 7 etc
Jan 04 21:39:23 <Anthaas> they will be test ads, they won't be real until the app goes live.
Jan 04 21:39:25 <kaikai2> weird, i couldve swore my nexus phones give me auto keyboard popup and also smooth scrolling for everything
Jan 04 21:39:55 <StingRay_> kaikai2 so your saying if you touch a text field there is a "smooth" keyboard popup ?
Jan 04 21:40:08 <StingRay_> the config change dont jump all views on resize ?
Jan 04 21:40:14 <StingRay_> even b4 the keybaord appears ?
Jan 04 21:40:16 <kaikai2> yup
Jan 04 21:40:34 <kaikai2> but you stated you were a designer correct?
Jan 04 21:40:55 <StingRay_> 3d artist
Jan 04 21:40:57 <StingRay_> but yeah
Jan 04 21:41:04 <kaikai2> im a piano player and I hear the smallest notes and it screws with me even when no one can hear it
Jan 04 21:41:06 <kaikai2> so that might be the case for oyu
Jan 04 21:41:09 <StingRay_> open messages
Jan 04 21:41:13 <StingRay_> standard text
Jan 04 21:41:16 <StingRay_> new message
Jan 04 21:41:26 <StingRay_> click on entry area
Jan 04 21:41:30 <IndiumIndeed> Anthaas: I already put the application to admob, so I think it is alive. I am not sure how to distinguish real and test ads.
Jan 04 21:41:38 <StingRay_> watch smooth kb popup, and editText pop
Jan 04 21:41:43 <kaikai2> indium: check admob dashboard to switch testing off
Jan 04 21:41:49 <StingRay_> it annoys me
Jan 04 21:41:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 04 21:41:50 <TacticalJoke> Why does Widget.getText return a CharSequence?
Jan 04 21:42:00 <kaikai2> and also check your code to make sure its published and signed, and also make sure testing is off in code as well
Jan 04 21:42:01 <Anthaas> IndiumIndeed: Check on your analytics page if you have any impressions.
Jan 04 21:42:13 <g00s> TacticalJoke: why not :)
Jan 04 21:42:24 <TacticalJoke> Who would want that?
Jan 04 21:42:30 <TacticalJoke> We want Strings in 2013.
Jan 04 21:42:30 <g00s> what does String implement ?
Jan 04 21:42:38 <Anthaas> ^
Jan 04 21:42:38 <kaikai2> ^
Jan 04 21:42:43 <kaikai2> Loled.
Jan 04 21:42:45 <g00s> TacticalJoke: time to pick up a Java book :)
Jan 04 21:42:46 <Anthaas> hahaha
Jan 04 21:42:49 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 21:42:58 <Anthaas> Im sure g00s has that on Ctrl+V
Jan 04 21:43:10 <IndiumIndeed> I guess impressions do not update realtime?
Jan 04 21:43:17 <kaikai2> indium no
Jan 04 21:43:34 <TacticalJoke> It's so ugly having to cast to String, though.
Jan 04 21:43:35 <kaikai2> from my experience, 3 hours minium to 48 hours max
Jan 04 21:43:51 <canadiancow> err
Jan 04 21:43:52 <Anthaas> Dont cast.
Jan 04 21:43:53 <SimonVT> Your text isn't necessarily a String
Jan 04 21:43:54 <canadiancow> you dont cast to string
Jan 04 21:43:58 <kaikai2> tacticaljoke: something we ocders and perfectionists have to get over
Jan 04 21:43:58 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 04 21:43:59 <Anthaas> call toString();
Jan 04 21:44:01 <TacticalJoke> Do I use toString?
Jan 04 21:44:05 <kaikai2> but you dont need to cast it either
Jan 04 21:44:05 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 04 21:44:10 <TacticalJoke> Why?
Jan 04 21:44:20 <kaikai2> charseq > string
Jan 04 21:44:35 <kaikai2> string = charseq x ???
Jan 04 21:45:02 <TacticalJoke> Calling toString is weird.
Jan 04 21:45:06 <JulienDev> Hi guys, I'm using a BaseExpandableListAdapter and I'm stuck with notifyDataSetChanged. My children views aren't refreshed. I tried a lot of tricks found on internet but nothing works. Ca you help me?
Jan 04 21:45:12 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/CharSequence.html
Jan 04 21:45:19 <TacticalJoke> Why can't it be an implicit cast?
Jan 04 21:45:19 <lov> String implements CharSequence
Jan 04 21:45:28 <lov> TacticalJoke: because it may not be a String!
Jan 04 21:45:34 <lov> All you know is that it is a CharSequence
Jan 04 21:45:41 <lov> take a look at some of the subclasses of CharSequence
Jan 04 21:45:50 <Anthaas> Different classes that can use toString when you'd think just using String actually have benefits.
Jan 04 21:45:50 <lov> it is possible that your textview is actually backed by a StringBuffer
Jan 04 21:45:58 <Anthaas> Like Spannable is useful for HTML
Jan 04 21:46:05 <kaikai2> julien: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4088862/android-list-view-refresh/4088889#4088889
Jan 04 21:46:07 <Anthaas> although I still argue with my snr dev on that
Jan 04 21:46:10 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 04 21:46:21 <Anthaas> Html.fromHtml("HTML STRING HERE") is fine.
Jan 04 21:46:31 <TacticalJoke> I can't see anyone wanting anything other than a String with getText, though.
Jan 04 21:46:51 <lov> TacticalJoke: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/Editable.html
Jan 04 21:46:55 <g00s> TacticalJoke: this is how you build good APIs
Jan 04 21:47:11 <g00s> deal in abstractions, not concrete decisions
Jan 04 21:47:22 <TacticalJoke> But who would want a non-String from Widget.getText?
Jan 04 21:47:26 <g00s> you may not know why anyone else would want a String, but i'm sure somebody does
Jan 04 21:47:32 <lov> TacticalJoke: For example, consider http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/EditText.html
Jan 04 21:47:40 <lov> it is a wrapper around an Editable
Jan 04 21:47:44 <lov> which implements CharSequence
Jan 04 21:48:01 <lov> you COULD have the getText return a String, or you could have it just return the Editable.
Jan 04 21:48:19 <lov> Because you are using CharSequence, you have abstracted the underlying content away
Jan 04 21:48:44 <JulienDev> kaikai2: Yes, it works with listview but I'm using an ExpandableListView...
Jan 04 21:48:59 <lov> indeed, if all you need is the length() method, then creating a String just for the sake of getText is wasteful.
Jan 04 21:49:15 <kaikai2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6374378/force-expandablelistview-to-update-data-when-notifydatasetchanged-is-called
Jan 04 21:49:34 <lov> TacticalJoke: it is important to understand that just because you think "This is strange and I am not used to this" does not mean "this is wrong"
Jan 04 21:49:50 <Anthaas> Because it is Android, and therefore usually right.
Jan 04 21:50:58 <kaikai2> i think im going to quit my job and try to earn bank by opening a workshop to teach people how to google. and people wouldn't know im overcharging them cause they dont know how to search hehehehe:)
Jan 04 21:51:09 <TacticalJoke> My argument is "Almost nobody wants something other than a String from Widget.getText".
Jan 04 21:51:16 <g00s> wow, its good that the old Android Mascots didn't see the light of day x.x
Jan 04 21:51:17 <kaikai2> almost*
Jan 04 21:51:19 <Anthaas> Almost
Jan 04 21:51:21 <Anthaas> Thats the key word
Jan 04 21:51:25 <JulienDev> kaikai2: I was wondering there were no SherlockExpandableListActivity, I'll try
Jan 04 21:51:28 <kaikai2> argument rebuked.
Jan 04 21:51:30 <evanc> TacticalJoke: thankfully you're not in charge of API design
Jan 04 21:51:39 <Anthaas> Hahaha
Jan 04 21:51:43 <Anthaas> Its Abstraction
Jan 04 21:51:45 <kaikai2> Anthaas stop COPYING MEq!!!!!!
Jan 04 21:51:50 <kaikai2> hahaha jk
Jan 04 21:51:58 <TacticalJoke> But if you do want something other than a String, then you can do the converting.
Jan 04 21:52:00 <Anthaas> kaikai2: Objection: Hear'say
Jan 04 21:52:20 <kaikai2> tacticalJoke: yes
Jan 04 21:53:24 <Parhs> what layout should i use to achieve this right http://i.imgur.com/SKxty.png?
Jan 04 21:53:34 <Parhs> i mean the red one should take all the height
Jan 04 21:54:00 <Parhs> i have no clue how to make it same with the others
Jan 04 21:54:04 <Anthaas> ScrollView holding Vertical Linear Layout
Jan 04 21:54:07 <kaikai2> tacticaljoke: for example you might want a string, but what if I want to create a stringbuffer isntead of a string?
Jan 04 21:54:20 <Anthaas> Then dynamically inflate the view and populate and add
Jan 04 21:54:36 <Anthaas> Brb
Jan 04 21:54:36 <Winslow> Parhs: Listview
Jan 04 21:54:41 <TacticalJoke> In that rare case, they can do converting.
Jan 04 21:54:46 <Parhs> it is a listview but the row
Jan 04 21:54:49 <TacticalJoke> The default should be a String.
Jan 04 21:54:54 <Parhs> i mean i have problem with that row
Jan 04 21:55:02 <Parhs> with red boxe
Jan 04 21:55:03 <Anthaas> Winslow: Why wouldn't you inflate an XML view and add it to a vertical linear layout?
Jan 04 21:55:04 <Parhs> s
Jan 04 21:55:18 <Anthaas> Parhs: Create an XML view that represents 1 row.
Jan 04 21:55:22 <beastmanrage> is there a place to ask OpenGL ES questions?
Jan 04 21:55:29 <Anthaas> So, a relativelayout with textviews in it.
Jan 04 21:55:40 <Anthaas> Then on your activity, have a scroll view with a linear layout in
Jan 04 21:55:50 <Winslow> I would inlate a ListView (at least that is what I have recently done) to have custom items in the listview
Jan 04 21:56:07 <Anthaas> Then in the java for that activity, inflate the relative xml item you made, and add it to the linearlayout
Jan 04 21:56:11 <Anthaas> Brb anyway
Jan 04 21:56:20 <Winslow> beastmanrage: yup here
Jan 04 21:56:30 <JulienDev> kaikai2: I read too fast, I was thinking about a SherlockExpandableListFragment and that doesn't exist...
Jan 04 21:56:33 <kaikai2> tact, there are also performance reasons
Jan 04 21:56:34 <Parhs> relative layout doesnt work as textview doesnt take the height
Jan 04 21:56:45 <Winslow> beastmanrage: assuming it is android related otherwise maybe try #opengl
Jan 04 21:56:47 <kaikai2> juliendev: its all cool
Jan 04 21:56:58 <beastmanrage> Winslow, its android related, using OpenGL ES 2.0
Jan 04 21:57:20 <Winslow> beastmanrage: ask away then. Someone will answer eventually
Jan 04 21:57:21 <beastmanrage> I ran through the tutorial on android dev, but i still have no idea where to begin
Jan 04 21:57:27 <SimonVT> JulienDev: Neither does ExpandableListFragment
Jan 04 21:57:32 <beastmanrage> I need to animate the concentric circles separate from eachother http://i.imgur.com/O0fzt.jpg
Jan 04 21:57:34 <Parhs> http://pastebin.com/9LcFRJKH
Jan 04 21:57:48 <SimonVT> So blame Google
Jan 04 21:58:29 <beastmanrage> Do I somehow import the circles as PNG, or do I create a 2d square and texture it?
Jan 04 21:58:37 <JulienDev> kaikai2: SimonVT : Yes, so the stackoverflow answer doesn't help me to refresh expandablelistview
Jan 04 21:58:40 <kaikai2> 2dsquare, texture it
Jan 04 21:58:48 <beastmanrage> kaikai2 seriously?
Jan 04 21:59:03 <kaikai2> thats how opengl works to my experience
Jan 04 21:59:08 <beastmanrage> Wow.
Jan 04 21:59:15 <JulienDev> SimonVT: Yes, I already see a post from you about that on google groups :)
Jan 04 21:59:25 <TacticalJoke> Is there an easy way of changing the text and background colour of a ListView?
Jan 04 21:59:36 <TacticalJoke> Specifying stuff in the XML thing doesn't work.
Jan 04 21:59:40 <kaikai2> its complicated, but once you get used to it its acceptable for teh performance benefits
Jan 04 21:59:53 <IndiumIndeed> Is there any way to copy text from logcat? I am using logcat Eclipse view.
Jan 04 21:59:57 <kaikai2> beastmanrage: have you tried canvas?
Jan 04 22:00:08 <kaikai2> indium: select and ctrl+c
Jan 04 22:00:21 <beastmanrage> yes ive worked with it before, im avoiding it this time because this is a lot more complex
Jan 04 22:00:22 <kaikai2> multiple lines = shiftclick
Jan 04 22:00:33 <karakuri> is there something like PackageManager.getLaunchIntentForPackage(…) that works if the app is already running as well?
Jan 04 22:00:48 <kaikai2> beastmanrage: kk i'd advise you to purchase a book called opengl es2.0 programming guide by munshi and also beginning android games from mario
Jan 04 22:00:53 <IndiumIndeed> karakuri: thanks
Jan 04 22:01:18 <kaikai2> beginning android games should get you started with opengl, just skip to that chapter
Jan 04 22:01:35 <beastmanrage> ok cool, thanks
Jan 04 22:02:23 <kaikai2> ive also tried using online tutorials but i feel that those books describe it best and android games actually gives you a workable framework to use
Jan 04 22:02:30 <JulienDev> kaikai2: I'll try adding the expandablelistview programmatically if this is an inflate problem
Jan 04 22:02:34 <Winslow> beastmanrage: yup kaikai2 has it correct. Texture a 2d square
Jan 04 22:05:02 <kaikai2> man, im tired of working alone. anyone looking to do a project?
Jan 04 22:05:50 <beastmanrage> kaikai2, yea i could use some help on jarvis
Jan 04 22:06:06 <TacticalJoke> If you look like Scarlett Johansson, I'm down for whatever.
Jan 04 22:06:21 <kaikai2> jarvis?
Jan 04 22:06:25 <karakuri> anyone know how i can make an intent that will either (a) switch tasks to an app if it's already in the task history or (b) launch it's main activity if it's not in the task history?
Jan 04 22:06:51 <Anoia> karakuri: that's pretty much the default behaviour
Jan 04 22:08:18 <karakuri> so if I use PackageManager.getLaunchIntentForPackage(…) and set that to fire if the user clicks my home screen widget, it won't take them to the starting activity?
Jan 04 22:08:50 <karakuri> it will just open up the task from wherever they left off?
Jan 04 22:09:21 <Anoia> that's how it works for me
Jan 04 22:09:31 <karakuri> ok, i'll try that out
Jan 04 22:09:50 <IndiumIndeed> I did adRequest.addTestDevice("..."); in my code. If I understand correctly, the ... code is specific for my device. Do I have to remove this line, before publishing?
Jan 04 22:10:40 <Anthaas> I get asked on a daily basis
Jan 04 22:10:49 <Anthaas> Anthaas, who is a bigger bellend than Bono from U2?
Jan 04 22:10:52 <Anthaas> Good question, I reply.
Jan 04 22:10:55 <Anthaas> Bob Geldof.
Jan 04 22:11:42 <TacticalJoke> Are you folks glad you started Android development?
Jan 04 22:11:46 <TacticalJoke> Like, is it fun?
Jan 04 22:11:49 <Anthaas> Yes
Jan 04 22:11:50 <lasserix> I have a method that generates a string array to handle ellipsizing for < 3.0 devices. I wanted to declare in static in a utility class so various services could use it, and I have to pass it a dummy textview to use the dummy textview's paint getRectSize method (to determine how many words will fit on each line). Anyways my question is how can I garuntee that the static method will not
Jan 04 22:11:50 <lasserix> hold on to the context of the dummy textview I pass? Do I even have to worry about this as its just a static method that returns an array, or do I need to set the dummy textview to null at the end of the method (or something)?
Jan 04 22:11:56 <karakuri> Anthaas: who is a bigger bellend than Bono from U2?
Jan 04 22:12:03 <Anthaas> Bob Geldof.
Jan 04 22:12:19 <karakuri> ah, was wondering about that. thanks
Jan 04 22:12:25 <Anthaas> I like to think Bono is the evil offspring of Bono and Annie Lennox.
Jan 04 22:12:54 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: the ultimate end of developing besides early retirment is being able to make apps that don't exist that you personally can use. so if you have ideas of stuff you could use personally, then yeah it'll be very fun
Jan 04 22:13:26 <canadiancow> but not necessarily proftiable
Jan 04 22:13:27 <TacticalJoke> I have a couple of ideas.
Jan 04 22:13:35 <TacticalJoke> I find programming so stressful, though.
Jan 04 22:13:39 <TacticalJoke> I quite for years for this reason.
Jan 04 22:13:40 <karakuri> TacticalJoke: yes, i find it very interesting
Jan 04 22:13:47 <canadiancow> find a new career
Jan 04 22:13:59 <lasserix> Sounds like you need a better approach to how you program
Jan 04 22:14:01 <replman> Hi! I would like the drawables of my ratingbar to be scaled automatically depending on the size of the ratingbar. Is that possible?
Jan 04 22:14:02 <karakuri> the visual feedback is awesome
Jan 04 22:14:03 <TacticalJoke> quit*
Jan 04 22:14:31 <karakuri> maybe it was just the environment of the company you were at?
Jan 04 22:14:42 <karakuri> any job can be stressful
Jan 04 22:14:44 <TacticalJoke> The visual feedback?
Jan 04 22:14:48 <TacticalJoke> Oh, this is hobbyistic programming.
Jan 04 22:14:52 <replman> I have stars of the size 200x200 for a screen width of 1024. But for a width of 1280 i would like the stars to be upscaled
Jan 04 22:14:53 <Anthaas> Where I work is brilliant. Laid back. Casual. And you can break whenever you need.
Jan 04 22:15:00 <TacticalJoke> I just have really bad OCD, and programming sets it off.
Jan 04 22:15:17 <kaikai2> tacticaljoke ^
Jan 04 22:15:22 <kaikai2> i know how you feel brah
Jan 04 22:15:23 <replman> or stars for 1280 which should be downscaled for 1024
Jan 04 22:15:45 <kaikai2> tbh programming used to sort of be a hobbyistic chore but once you get over the ocd and perfectionist syndromes
Jan 04 22:15:48 <kaikai2> it gets pretty fun
Jan 04 22:15:56 <kaikai2> like writing your own reality
Jan 04 22:16:00 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jan 04 22:16:03 <Anthaas> I love programming my own thing
Jan 04 22:16:11 <Anthaas> I HATE being fobbed off jobs other people have fucked up.
Jan 04 22:16:17 <TacticalJoke> I find that revision-control systems help me a lot.
Jan 04 22:16:20 <Anthaas> I ALWAYS debate just rewriting the entire thing for them
Jan 04 22:16:40 <Anthaas> So many developers aren't practical and just try to show off the fact they can make something simple unnecessarily complicated
Jan 04 22:16:50 <TacticalJoke> karakuri: What were you saying about the visual feedback being awesome?
Jan 04 22:17:00 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, Anthaas.  Most people suck.
Jan 04 22:17:39 <TacticalJoke> I like this web definition of an OCD programmer:
Jan 04 22:17:41 <TacticalJoke> "This guy doesn’t care about your deadlines or budgets, those are insignificant when compared to the art form that is programming. When you do finally receive the finished product you will have no option but submit to the stunning glory and radiant beauty of perfectly formatted, no, perfectly beautiful code, that is so efficient that anything you would want to do to it would do nothing but defame a masterpiece. He is the 
Jan 04 22:17:50 <kaikai2> hahah
Jan 04 22:17:50 <Anthaas> Its like, bravo. The 10 seconds you saved yourself doing that cost everyone else 123098123 hours trying to work out what you have done to be able to fix it.
Jan 04 22:17:58 <kaikai2> anthaas, control freak :)
Jan 04 22:18:16 <kaikai2> "!@#$ IT , ill rewrite the entire thing for you"
Jan 04 22:18:18 <TacticalJoke> I hate when people use comments in place of extracting methods.
Jan 04 22:18:23 <Anthaas> Yeah
Jan 04 22:18:26 <kaikai2> but i understand where youre coming from since its the same for me
Jan 04 22:18:33 <Anthaas> Someone gave me an app they half started and said can I finish it
Jan 04 22:18:38 <TacticalJoke> I often think that rewriting is easier.
Jan 04 22:18:42 <Anthaas> I gave it back to them done, and got "I don't recognise the code"
Jan 04 22:18:46 <Anthaas> "Thats because none of it is yours"
Jan 04 22:18:47 <kaikai2> what app was that? LOl
Jan 04 22:18:53 <TacticalJoke> lol Anthaas
Jan 04 22:18:57 <Anthaas> Oh, one for a client we had.
Jan 04 22:19:19 <kaikai2> shouldve charged extra
Jan 04 22:19:30 <Anthaas> No, it was another developer I work with that fucked it up.
Jan 04 22:19:42 <kaikai2> shouldve asked for his pay
Jan 04 22:19:44 <kaikai2> same theory
Jan 04 22:19:44 <kaikai2> LOL
Jan 04 22:19:51 <Anthaas> We also have this one guy who blindly copies and pastes so he has code from other apps that is completely irrelevant inside the source for one project...
Jan 04 22:20:00 <Anthaas> Should ask for him to be sacked lol
Jan 04 22:20:11 <kaikai2> ive done that before, but personally since i work alone
Jan 04 22:20:19 <Anthaas> I know Im only a student, but for crying out loud how this guy has got a job...
Jan 04 22:20:29 <kaikai2> once i notice the retarded SH!T in the copied code
Jan 04 22:20:35 <kaikai2> ill probably revamp the entire thing or rewrite it
Jan 04 22:20:38 <TacticalJoke> That's terrible, Anthaas.
Jan 04 22:20:42 <kaikai2> so i've learned to just write it from scratch to save my time
Jan 04 22:20:44 <TacticalJoke> How do people like that even get jobs?
Jan 04 22:20:49 <TacticalJoke> I hate using other people's code, personally.
Jan 04 22:20:51 <kaikai2> Anthaas, work for me
Jan 04 22:20:57 <TacticalJoke> If I had the time, I'd write everything little thing that my app relied on.
Jan 04 22:21:02 <TacticalJoke> Except the hardware.
Jan 04 22:21:07 <kaikai2> ^^^^^
Jan 04 22:21:08 <Anthaas> I'd love to Kaikai hahaha
Jan 04 22:21:16 <Anthaas> I dont hate using other people's code
Jan 04 22:21:21 <Anthaas> I hate using code that isn't like mine hahaha
Jan 04 22:21:36 <kaikai2> the 3 programmers who have servere disorders
Jan 04 22:21:36 <kaikai2> LOL
Jan 04 22:21:39 <TacticalJoke> lo
Jan 04 22:21:41 <TacticalJoke> l
Jan 04 22:21:45 <Anthaas> I swear
Jan 04 22:21:58 <Anthaas> I saw this guys code once and was like "Can I ask you a question?"
Jan 04 22:22:00 <Anthaas> "Sure, what?"
Jan 04 22:22:00 <kaikai2> going back through my code when i have time
Jan 04 22:22:03 <Anthaas> "Are you broken?"
Jan 04 22:22:19 <kaikai2> to change from "verifyNonceOnce" to "verifiedNonce"
Jan 04 22:22:32 <karakuri> TacticalJoke: coding something and running it and seeing the result
Jan 04 22:22:33 <kaikai2> and then i contemplated for 10 minutes whether it should be verifyNonceOnce or verifiedNonce
Jan 04 22:22:44 <kaikai2> and knowing that if i changed it i'd have to change all of my naming schematics, sigh
Jan 04 22:22:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay, kara.  Are you not used to GUI stuff?
Jan 04 22:22:55 <kaikai2> karakuri: true dat
Jan 04 22:23:25 <kaikai2> Anthaas, i'd never hire someone like that rolf
Jan 04 22:23:34 <kaikai2> usually roll out a test and write it in the contract
Jan 04 22:23:46 <Anthaas> KaiKai, waht do you do if you don't mind my asking?
Jan 04 22:23:56 <TacticalJoke> I love how nerdy people are in rooms like this.
Jan 04 22:23:57 <kaikai2> you need to do a project by yourself without any external help within 1 week
Jan 04 22:23:58 <TacticalJoke> I'm used to Paltalk.
Jan 04 22:24:00 <kaikai2> do it all in the office
Jan 04 22:24:19 <kaikai2> and its going to be reviewed by a senior
Jan 04 22:24:40 <canadiancow> you need better candidate screening
Jan 04 22:24:59 <kaikai2> well thats just one canadian :)
Jan 04 22:25:39 <karakuri> TacticalJoke: well, GUI stuff is part of it. I guess you could see results in non-GUI stuff too, but it's not quite the same
Jan 04 22:25:51 <karakuri> i dunno, i get a kick out of making stuff work
Jan 04 22:25:53 <Insayne> how come i cant do: public List<Camera.Size> oi = Camera.getParameters().getSupportedVideoSizes(); - this ?
Jan 04 22:25:55 <canadiancow> you shouldnt be screening new hires after they're hired
Jan 04 22:26:05 <kaikai2> well of course
Jan 04 22:26:08 <canadiancow> i would never accept a job conditioned on doing something after im hired
Jan 04 22:26:10 <TacticalJoke> Okay, karakuri
Jan 04 22:26:11 <TacticalJoke> .
Jan 04 22:26:21 <canadiancow> unless you're giving me a hefty signing bonus either way
Jan 04 22:26:22 <Anthaas> Basically, there needs to be an in-house standard.
Jan 04 22:26:34 <karakuri> standards are important
Jan 04 22:26:38 <kaikai2> the way i see it, the better your job is the better your pay is
Jan 04 22:26:45 <kaikai2> the job you do*
Jan 04 22:27:04 <kaikai2> im not going to hire 5 monkeys and have only one become an intelligent human
Jan 04 22:27:13 <kaikai2> much rather give 4x pay to that one human
Jan 04 22:27:39 <Anthaas> The other problem is when your project has several parts to it
Jan 04 22:27:40 <Insayne> nobody knows ?
Jan 04 22:27:40 <kaikai2> i always ignore the apes who pound their chests during interview
Jan 04 22:27:47 <Anthaas> If there is a lack of standards
Jan 04 22:27:52 <Anthaas> One developer should do the lot
Jan 04 22:27:52 <kaikai2> yea
Jan 04 22:27:56 <Anthaas> Not 5 developers each doing a part.
Jan 04 22:27:57 <kaikai2> thats everything, corporate standards
Jan 04 22:28:21 <kaikai2> naming conventions and everything else, had to get over my ocd =[
Jan 04 22:28:36 <Anthaas> Naming conventions make your job 12938471234% easier
Jan 04 22:28:36 <canadiancow> kaikai2, 4x pay eh?
Jan 04 22:28:40 <canadiancow> send me a pm ;)
Jan 04 22:28:49 <TacticalJoke> I really dread using "mVariable".
Jan 04 22:28:56 <Anthaas> Tactical
Jan 04 22:28:56 <canadiancow> mField *
Jan 04 22:28:59 <Anthaas> You dont have to
Jan 04 22:29:03 <Anthaas> BUT
Jan 04 22:29:06 <Anthaas> It will make your life easier
Jan 04 22:29:09 <Insayne> public List<Camera.Size> oi = Camera.getParameters().getSupportedVideoSizes(); < why can't i do this ?
Jan 04 22:29:25 <TacticalJoke> Doesn't the "m" stand for "member"?
Jan 04 22:29:33 <TacticalJoke> That's why I typed 'variable'.  :)
Jan 04 22:29:34 <csst0111> http://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/maps/MapFragment.html  missing the XML code or something is wrong with my browser ?
Jan 04 22:29:39 <karakuri> i had a project manager who got irritated when her code would change formatting
Jan 04 22:29:54 <kaikai2> Anthaas, i've never understood mVariable vs varible lol except because of old naming conventions
Jan 04 22:30:10 <kaikai2> canadiancow: asian programmers > american =[
Jan 04 22:30:11 <kaikai2> sorry
Jan 04 22:30:15 <karakuri> when i suggested we make a code style and have each of us import the same one, the response was "just don't format my code"
Jan 04 22:30:21 <Anthaas> Its to avoid needing to use this. for one, also it makes adding watches easier, just search for the one with m in it :P
Jan 04 22:30:22 <Insayne> nobody has an idea ?
Jan 04 22:30:34 <Anthaas> Insayne: Try StackOverflow first.
Jan 04 22:30:46 <Insayne> i googled, got no idea
Jan 04 22:30:51 <Insayne> stackoverflow recommends this, heh
Jan 04 22:31:04 <kaikai2> insayne what are you trying to accomplish?
Jan 04 22:31:05 <Insayne> so something changed, or I fail to see whats causing the problem this late
Jan 04 22:31:11 <TacticalJoke> Do you guys know whether the top To Do List apps use the standard ListView widget?
Jan 04 22:31:11 <evanc> Insayne: what's stopping you from doing that?
Jan 04 22:31:27 <evanc> TacticalJoke: almost certainly
Jan 04 22:31:31 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Jan 04 22:31:34 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: It would be easier to use a LayoutInflator
Jan 04 22:31:42 <Insayne> get all sizes of the camera (the device supports), so when I start the Camera intent, i can tell it to use the highest resolution
Jan 04 22:31:48 <kaikai2> $20,000 chinese programmers vs $60,000-90,000 in america
Jan 04 22:31:51 <Insayne> thus i wish to get a list of supported resolutions of the camera
Jan 04 22:31:57 <TacticalJoke> It would be awesome if I could make a to-do-list thingy without having to create my own widget.
Jan 04 22:32:03 <TacticalJoke> I remember that, in Windows, such a thing was a nightmare.
Jan 04 22:32:29 <karakuri> depends on the widget you're creating, its not always hard
Jan 04 22:32:30 <evanc> TacticalJoke: why not use ListView?
Jan 04 22:32:31 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Honestly, use LayoutInflator. It would be a lot easier.
Jan 04 22:32:50 <TacticalJoke> evanc:  Yeah, I am thinking of using ListView.
Jan 04 22:32:52 <evanc> Insayne: you asked why you can't do that. Yet you can. So what's the problem?
Jan 04 22:33:01 <kaikai2> Insayne: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7993652/android-camera-supported-picture-sizes
Jan 04 22:33:07 <TacticalJoke> What is a LaytoutInflater?  I googled, and it's not obvious.
Jan 04 22:33:10 <bloop> are errors related to calling a UI thing off the UI thread consistent? Will it *always* crash if you make a UI call when not on the UI thread?
Jan 04 22:33:15 <kaikai2> i need to open a workshop to teach people how to use Google.
Jan 04 22:33:18 <TacticalJoke> LayoutInflater*
Jan 04 22:33:25 <evanc> TacticalJoke: how many items are going to be in your list? tens? hundreds? more?
Jan 04 22:33:31 <TacticalJoke> Tens, at most.
Jan 04 22:33:37 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: It lets you take an XML View and edit it dynamically in Java, and then add that to another view.
Jan 04 22:33:37 <TacticalJoke> It's gonna be yet another to-do-list thingy.
Jan 04 22:33:39 <evanc> bloop: yes
Jan 04 22:33:50 <evanc> TacticalJoke: don't use a LayoutInflater for that
Jan 04 22:33:57 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: So, you inflate the view representing each row in the list, and add it to a Vertical Linear Layout
Jan 04 22:33:58 <kaikai2> actually, just open a digital shop where 1 successful question is answered is charged $5
Jan 04 22:34:05 <evanc> TacticalJoke: yeah, don't listen to Anthaas
Jan 04 22:34:07 <karakuri> TacticalJoke: i suggest you watch a video called "The WOerld of ListView"
Jan 04 22:34:07 <Anthaas> evanc: Why not? Theres nothing wrong with doing it that way
Jan 04 22:34:12 <TacticalJoke> Whoa, Views look awesome.
Jan 04 22:34:15 <karakuri> * The World of Listview
Jan 04 22:34:15 <TacticalJoke> I just realised what a View was.
Jan 04 22:34:22 <evanc> Anthaas: there's nothing wrong except 1) it takes forever and 2) uses a shitload of RAM
Jan 04 22:34:37 <TacticalJoke> Okay, karakuri.
Jan 04 22:34:48 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: View is the superclass which most widgets extend ultimately.
Jan 04 22:35:01 <Anthaas> evanc: Thats crap.
Jan 04 22:35:02 <TacticalJoke> So I can just draw rectangles on the screen that are clickable, it seems.
Jan 04 22:35:14 <Anthaas> evanc: The difference between the two would be so small that its negligable.
Jan 04 22:35:30 <Anthaas> evanc: Unless his project is memory critical, it makes no difference.
Jan 04 22:35:35 <evanc> Anthaas: for 100 items? wrong.
Jan 04 22:35:41 <bloop> evanc: I ask because I recently wrapped a function in AsyncTask.doInBackground and was fulling expecting tons of crashes, and yet I seem to be making calls to eg ViewGroup.addView without any crashes. I thought the point of doInBackground was that it was not on the UI thread. Is that right?
Jan 04 22:36:00 <kaikai2> bloop yes
Jan 04 22:36:26 <kaikai2> but Asynctask is what you'd call a smart non-ui thread
Jan 04 22:36:28 <Anthaas> evanc: Care to back up the assertion?
Jan 04 22:36:36 <kaikai2> evanc: i'd also like to see that
Jan 04 22:36:52 <evanc> that it uses more RAM?
Jan 04 22:37:03 <kaikai2> yes
Jan 04 22:37:04 <Anthaas> evanc: that is uses a significant amount more...
Jan 04 22:37:05 <devslash> if i have a string resource named service_started, don't you refer to it as R.string.service_started
Jan 04 22:37:17 <Anthaas> evanc: If it is negligible it is not an issue.
Jan 04 22:37:21 <kaikai2> i hope you arn't comparing 1 items vs 100 items
Jan 04 22:37:26 <bloop> kaikai2: "smart"? meaning there are some UI calls I can make?
Jan 04 22:37:51 <kaikai2> bloop: asynctask is designed to allow you to do threading work on a non-ui thread and ultimately call back to UI-thread
Jan 04 22:37:55 <kaikai2> when that task is completed
Jan 04 22:37:55 <Anthaas> bloop: The only part of an AsyncTask that isn't on the main thread is the do in background.
Jan 04 22:38:16 <Anthaas> bloop: Pre- is UI, Background is non-UI, post- is UI.
Jan 04 22:38:28 <TacticalJoke> I have an idea for an app.
Jan 04 22:38:36 <TacticalJoke> A virtual girlfriend/boyfriend.
Jan 04 22:38:40 <Insayne> that code gives me a "Fail to connect to camera service" :s
Jan 04 22:38:44 <TacticalJoke> I bet that's been done, though.
Jan 04 22:38:44 <Anthaas> Siri*
Jan 04 22:38:46 <devslash> if i have a string resource named service_started, don't you refer to it as R.string.service_started
Jan 04 22:38:50 <kaikai2> devslash: depends what it is
Jan 04 22:39:09 <devslash> hmm now this code is saying that R isn't a resource
Jan 04 22:39:11 <kaikai2> TacticalJoke: you were speaking of nerds previously?
Jan 04 22:39:14 <TacticalJoke> Okay, it's been done.
Jan 04 22:39:16 <bloop> Anthaas: If that is the case, shouldn't a call to addView cause a crash? I'm confused because it isn't crashing, I don't see any post()s or runOnUiThread()s...
Jan 04 22:39:18 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, kaikai2.  lol
Jan 04 22:39:31 <Insayne> devslash, check your imports, remove all resources you recently added where you been warned
Jan 04 22:39:32 <Anthaas> devslash: That would be a build error. Fix any XML errors you have then clean and rebuild the project.
Jan 04 22:39:38 <Insayne> anything starting with a number is a no god
Jan 04 22:39:44 <Insayne> go*
Jan 04 22:39:50 <Insayne> at the start that is, afair
Jan 04 22:39:57 <TacticalJoke> So it seems that the ListView is actually good.
Jan 04 22:40:03 <TacticalJoke> (I'm watching this YouTube video.)
Jan 04 22:40:08 <Anthaas> bloop: No, because you would add them into the UI in post execute. Just build a collection of items to add in DoInBackground
Jan 04 22:40:11 <kaikai2> bloop: runonuithread is just that
Jan 04 22:40:11 <TacticalJoke> I'm used to Windows, on which ListView controls are terrible.
Jan 04 22:40:14 <kaikai2> ruinning on UI thread
Jan 04 22:40:42 <kaikai2> asynctask is specifically designed to call to UI thread, view is a UI function
Jan 04 22:40:47 <karakuri> yes, list view is very good when used properly
Jan 04 22:40:48 <kaikai2> and can only be called on the UI thread
Jan 04 22:40:51 <karakuri> i've seen it used very badly
Jan 04 22:40:54 <karakuri> VERY badly...
Jan 04 22:41:05 <kaikai2> so there would be no problemw ith Asynctask since when it ends it calls to the UI thread
Jan 04 22:41:11 <kaikai2> refer to Anthaas's comment up top
Jan 04 22:41:18 <devslash> i did
Jan 04 22:41:22 <devslash> i dunno whats wrong
Jan 04 22:41:34 <Anthaas> bloop: No, because you would add them into the UI in post execute. Just build a collection of items to add in DoInBackground (posting again for you)
Jan 04 22:41:48 <kakazza> Hey. Every once in a while I get a Resources$NotFoundException. Cleaning the project helps of course. But the strange thing is it occurs ever 3rd or 4th time and it's _always_ the same string. How can that happen?
Jan 04 22:41:57 <bloop> oh I see, the code I'm running within doInBackground is within ServiceConnection.onServiceConnected, which (I'm guessing?) brings it back on the UI thread.
Jan 04 22:41:59 <kaikai2> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jan 04 22:42:13 <kaikai2> bloop: it's on a service?
Jan 04 22:42:42 <bloop> yeah the service is inside the doInBackground... I think that must be what is making it work.
Jan 04 22:42:52 <kaikai2> why does it need to be in doInbackground?
Jan 04 22:42:57 <kaikai2> service is off ui thread already
Jan 04 22:43:23 <bloop> haha wait nevermind the service is just being created in the asynctask, hahaha, ok I'm dumb, thanks for the sanity check.
Jan 04 22:43:33 <kaikai2> kakazza: more often than not that error is known as "fuck you eclipse"
Jan 04 22:43:55 <TacticalJoke> The whole "@Override" thing looks ugly.
Jan 04 22:43:59 <TacticalJoke> What do you folks think about that?
Jan 04 22:44:03 <kaikai2> ................... LOL.
Jan 04 22:44:09 <kaikai2> dude
Jan 04 22:44:11 <kaikai2> LOL
Jan 04 22:44:16 <kaikai2> you make my OCD look good
Jan 04 22:44:17 <kaikai2> <3
Jan 04 22:44:30 <Anthaas> Hahaha
Jan 04 22:44:39 <SimonVT> kaikai2> service is off ui thread already <- no it isnø't
Jan 04 22:44:48 <kaikai2> simonvt: its not?
Jan 04 22:44:51 <kaikai2> i wasnt sure about that
Jan 04 22:44:57 <TacticalJoke> Me?
Jan 04 22:45:07 <kaikai2> but for androidbilling service must use handler to repost back to ui thread
Jan 04 22:45:10 <kaikai2> so im not certain
Jan 04 22:45:19 <bloop> I don't use @Override on small callbacks because it's too bulky (eg Runnables or whatever)
Jan 04 22:45:26 <SimonVT> Service lifecycle methods are on the ui thread
Jan 04 22:45:34 <pfn> usually don't use @Override much for interfaces
Jan 04 22:45:45 <pfn> for subclassing, sure, but not interfaces
Jan 04 22:45:59 <kaikai2> ahhh, methods are on ui
Jan 04 22:45:59 <Ologn> I have a feeling the people who complain Android is "fragmented" are the same people who complain that GNU is "monolithic"
Jan 04 22:46:09 <pfn> huh
Jan 04 22:46:21 <pragma-> Android is heavily fragmented.
Jan 04 22:46:33 <TacticalJoke> Why isn't 'override' a keyword?
Jan 04 22:46:42 <evanc> why should it be?
Jan 04 22:46:45 <pfn> because sun/oracle wants to avoid introducing new keywords
Jan 04 22:46:47 <TacticalJoke> I hate how it has a capital O, for one thing.
Jan 04 22:46:51 <TacticalJoke> Because it's a language issue.
Jan 04 22:46:53 <kaikai2> @"Override"
Jan 04 22:47:04 <TacticalJoke> public override void Foo() { }
Jan 04 22:47:04 <pfn> new keywords => old code can break
Jan 04 22:47:13 <pfn> TacticalJoke, it's a keyword in scala
Jan 04 22:47:16 <pfn> and required
Jan 04 22:47:19 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, in C#, too.
Jan 04 22:47:26 <TacticalJoke> It's so horrible.  Urgh.
Jan 04 22:47:32 <TacticalJoke> And Eclipse is so slow and buggy and weird.
Jan 04 22:47:41 <kakazza> kaikai2: This is with ant, though.
Jan 04 22:47:42 <TacticalJoke> I like to complain.
Jan 04 22:47:55 <kaikai2> kakazza, "fuck you ant" or use eclipse :)
Jan 04 22:47:58 <evanc> TacticalJoke: we see that :)
Jan 04 22:48:06 <kakazza> ;)
Jan 04 22:48:19 <TacticalJoke> If I have a listener as a field, should that use the "mListener" convention?
Jan 04 22:48:22 <evanc> TacticalJoke: most of your complaints seem to boil down to "Java isn't C#! Why isn't it?!"
Jan 04 22:48:36 <bloop> Well, I mean, having to write new Runnable(){public void run() {}} for what in C# would be like () => {} or whatever is kind of lame anyway. Lambda is such a fundamental concept and it bugs me that these OOP langs treat it like a special case of objects...
Jan 04 22:48:38 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 22:48:40 <evanc> TacticalJoke: if it's a member variable for the class, yes
Jan 04 22:48:46 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 04 22:48:56 <kaikai2> evanc: an reason to use m infront of the variable
Jan 04 22:48:57 <kaikai2> ?
Jan 04 22:49:03 <evanc> kaikai2: it's convention
Jan 04 22:49:05 <kaikai2> besides old naming conventions
Jan 04 22:49:10 <pragma-> Ologn: you have users on all kinds of android versions from 1.6 to 2.3 to 3.0 to 4.0 to 4.1 to 4.2 and have to have be aware of the API differences and special cases with each of those versions.
Jan 04 22:49:21 <SimonVT> it tells you it's a member variable
Jan 04 22:49:23 <evanc> kaikai2: readability
Jan 04 22:49:25 <canadiancow> 1.6
Jan 04 22:49:26 <canadiancow> yeah
Jan 04 22:49:28 <pragma-> Ologn: then worse yet, you have vendors such as Samsung doing their own in-house modifications to Android
Jan 04 22:49:29 <canadiancow> let's all dev for that
Jan 04 22:49:30 <kaikai2> simonVt: yea thanks
Jan 04 22:49:33 <kaikai2> thats what i needed
Jan 04 22:49:36 <TacticalJoke> Variables that are actually methods (I forgot what they're called) are so ugly.
Jan 04 22:49:41 <TacticalJoke> Or whatever they are.
Jan 04 22:49:41 <evanc> kaikai2: http://source.android.com/source/code-style.html#follow-field-naming-conventions
Jan 04 22:49:46 <TacticalJoke> Variables that point to methods.
Jan 04 22:49:48 <canadiancow> variables that are actually methods?
Jan 04 22:50:00 <kaikai2> LOl.
Jan 04 22:50:03 <TacticalJoke> It's been about three years since I've programmed at all.
Jan 04 22:50:26 <Ologn> Android is more fragmented then...j2me?  Web development?  Windows app development?  About the only thing less fragmented then Android is Apple's three iOS devices.
Jan 04 22:50:37 <Ologn> s/then/than/g
Jan 04 22:50:42 <TacticalJoke> What are they called?  Non-anonymous methods, or something?
Jan 04 22:50:46 <TacticalJoke> I'm just kidding.
Jan 04 22:50:48 <kaikai2> evanc: thanks for the link
Jan 04 22:50:53 <evanc> kaikai2: no problem
Jan 04 22:50:54 <kaikai2> evanc: going to study it
Jan 04 22:50:55 <Anthaas> Apple's 1 iOS device of many different sizes ***
Jan 04 22:51:05 <canadiancow> this ^
Jan 04 22:51:08 <kakazza> Anthaas, oh you ;)
Jan 04 22:51:18 <TacticalJoke> Seriously, what are they called?
Jan 04 22:51:23 <evanc> kaikai2: that's just code convention for the platform; it's obviously optional for app developers to follow it (though I recommend that they do because I personally like it :))
Jan 04 22:51:24 <baconmania> Hey guys, let's say I have a listview where each list item might contain a thumbnail, or it might not. What would be the best practice here? Should I create two different layouts, one with the thumbnail and one without, and then inflate whichever is appropriate? Or should I use a single layout and move things around programatically based on whether or not I need the thumbnail for a given list item?
Jan 04 22:51:31 <evanc> TacticalJoke: I have no idea what you're talking about
Jan 04 22:51:33 <TacticalJoke> I'm talking about these:  "private AdapterView.OnItemClickListener mListener = new AdapterView.OnItemClickListener()"
Jan 04 22:51:44 <kaikai2> tactical joke: its called an object which includes a method
Jan 04 22:51:45 <Anthaas> declarations?
Jan 04 22:51:53 <pragma-> Ologn: and then there's the devices with different hardware configurations such as screen sizes, keyboards, trackballs, leds, etc
Jan 04 22:51:56 <Anthaas> initialisations?
Jan 04 22:52:00 <Anthaas> instanciations?
Jan 04 22:52:02 <bloop> "callback objects"?
Jan 04 22:52:03 <Anthaas> any of those words?
Jan 04 22:52:03 <TacticalJoke> I mean variables that point to methods.
Jan 04 22:52:14 <kaikai2> mRunnable is the object with run() being its method
Jan 04 22:52:19 <evanc> baconmania: depends on how different the options are, but I'd use one layout and switch the visibility
Jan 04 22:52:26 <evanc> TacticalJoke: that doesn't point to a method....
Jan 04 22:52:40 <kaikai2> hes getting confused
Jan 04 22:52:41 <evanc> TacticalJoke: mListener points to the result of the OnItemClickListener constructor
Jan 04 22:52:43 <lasserix> tacticaljoke: those don't exist in java
Jan 04 22:52:45 <Anthaas> Does anyone else here use the ternary operator? Im the only person at work who does
Jan 04 22:52:50 <evanc> Anthaas: yes
Jan 04 22:52:52 <kaikai2> I do
Jan 04 22:52:56 <TacticalJoke>  I do, Anthaas.
Jan 04 22:53:14 <tnzr> anyone use RoboGuice?
Jan 04 22:53:15 <Anthaas> i.e. return(isIntBiggerThan3(4)) ? "Yes" : "No";
Jan 04 22:53:16 <karakuri> baconmania: both options would work, depends how complex you need it to be. setVisibility(View.GONE) on the thumbnail might be enough
Jan 04 22:53:16 <TacticalJoke> Are they like anonymous classes, or something?
Jan 04 22:53:17 <Anthaas> Ahhh cool :D
Jan 04 22:53:18 <baconmania> evanc: the thing is I'd need to do more than switch the visibility. If the thumbnail is needed for a list item, then I have to move a textview up, move another textview to the side, etc. Still better to just use one layout?
Jan 04 22:53:20 <Anthaas> glad Im not the only one
Jan 04 22:53:25 <TacticalJoke> Sure, Anthaas.
Jan 04 22:53:25 <evanc> Anthaas: though if I grep for "? true : false" in your code and find a non-zero number of lines, we're gonna have words :)
Jan 04 22:53:26 <kaikai2> evanc: yes of course, serves well to have good naming conventions. I just never understood it and never found that link
Jan 04 22:53:36 <bloop> I like ternary operator fsometimes...
Jan 04 22:53:36 <TacticalJoke> Though I wouldn't use the extra parentheses there.
Jan 04 22:53:40 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: are you thinking function pointers?
Jan 04 22:53:40 <karakuri> Anthaas: i use ternary op
Jan 04 22:53:50 <TacticalJoke> lasserix: Well, not necessarily.
Jan 04 22:53:58 <Anthaas> Hahaha yeah, if someone uses it for something which is essentially an entire method I would voluntarily slap them
Jan 04 22:54:06 <evanc> baconmania: hmm, I'm not sure. Note that ListView (well, Adapter) has support for N different layouts, but it gets kind of tricky. See the docs on getViewTypeCount() and related methods
Jan 04 22:54:29 <karakuri> ^ hence why it matters how complex you want to het
Jan 04 22:54:33 <karakuri> *get
Jan 04 22:54:37 <TacticalJoke> I'm talking about something like this:
Jan 04 22:54:37 <TacticalJoke> private AdapterView.OnItemClickListener mListener = new AdapterView.OnItemClickListener() { public void onItemClick(AdapterView<?> parent, View view, int position, long id) { /* whatever */ } };
Jan 04 22:55:00 <Anthaas> What about it Tactical?
Jan 04 22:55:05 <baconmania> evanc karakuri : yeah, I saw that stuff but it looks messy... the other thing is, if I use multiple layouts, then I don't necessarily get to recycle views, right?
Jan 04 22:55:06 <kaikai2> tactical: thats a private class
Jan 04 22:55:06 <TacticalJoke> What's that all called?
Jan 04 22:55:14 <pragma-> TacticalJoke: java
Jan 04 22:55:16 <TacticalJoke> A private class.  Hmm.
Jan 04 22:55:18 <karakuri> baconmania: yes you do
Jan 04 22:55:26 <Anthaas> Anonymous sub-classing?
Jan 04 22:55:27 <TacticalJoke> lol pragma-.  A very pragmatic reply.
Jan 04 22:55:31 <karakuri> thats what getViewTypeCount() and getItemViewType() do
Jan 04 22:55:31 <bloop> best function ever: boolean isTrue(boolean b) { if (b == true) { return true; } else { return false; }}
Jan 04 22:55:35 <kaikai2> subclass*
Jan 04 22:55:36 <kakazza> evanc: Where would be the best place to ask a question like mine above? (Jenkins CI server, runs UI tests many times a day and every so often the very same String resource cannot be found, killing the build. We always clean the workspace, build with 'emma debug install test' and are really desperate because we cannot get many green test builds like that :()
Jan 04 22:55:42 <kakazza> Android Developers Group? SO?
Jan 04 22:56:04 <Anthaas> Nope
Jan 04 22:56:05 <TacticalJoke> Okay, a private class or something.
Jan 04 22:56:07 <Anthaas> Ive seen one better
Jan 04 22:56:18 <pragma-> TacticalJoke: it's a private field initialized to an anonymous class
Jan 04 22:56:25 <kaikai2> ^
Jan 04 22:56:25 <TacticalJoke> I hate creating classes, private or otherwise, for mere callbacks.
Jan 04 22:56:27 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 22:56:32 <karakuri> boolean isTrue(boolean b) { return b; }
Jan 04 22:56:35 <Anthaas> public int generateRandomNumber(){ return 4; //a dice was rolled and 4 was the result - guaranteed to be random }
Jan 04 22:56:43 <karakuri> lol
Jan 04 22:56:47 <karakuri> you win Anthaas
Jan 04 22:57:20 <canadiancow> karakuri, i hope you're joking
Jan 04 22:57:22 <TacticalJoke> Do you guys use the 'private' keyword?
Jan 04 22:57:31 * pragma- stares at TacticalJoke.
Jan 04 22:57:32 <canadiancow> TacticalJoke, sometmies?
Jan 04 22:57:40 <canadiancow> when i want something to be private...
Jan 04 22:57:43 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Of course
Jan 04 22:57:51 <karakuri> TacticalJoke: yes
Jan 04 22:57:52 <tnzr> #offtopic
Jan 04 22:57:53 <pragma-> make all the things public!
Jan 04 22:57:54 <TacticalJoke> Wait, aren't things private by default?
Jan 04 22:57:54 <kaikai2> Damn, such a pun on TacticalJoke's name
Jan 04 22:57:55 <canadiancow> i also use protected, public, and nothing
Jan 04 22:57:57 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Private, Public, Protected
Jan 04 22:58:00 <karakuri> information hiding
Jan 04 22:58:02 <canadiancow> no
Jan 04 22:58:03 <kaikai2> ITS OKAY IF A MODS IN ON IT!!!!
Jan 04 22:58:14 <TacticalJoke> Zomg.  Things are generally private in C#.
Jan 04 22:58:19 <canadiancow> they're package-private
Jan 04 22:58:23 <TacticalJoke> Oops.
Jan 04 22:58:25 <karakuri> aka "default"
Jan 04 22:58:33 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 22:58:37 <kaikai2> oh wait nvmd candaian isnt a mod
Jan 04 22:58:39 <canadiancow> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/accesscontrol.html
Jan 04 22:58:40 <canadiancow> im not?
Jan 04 22:58:48 <canadiancow> what's a "mod"
Jan 04 22:58:52 <kaikai2> Lol
Jan 04 22:58:54 <kaikai2> voice = mod
Jan 04 22:58:56 <kaikai2> my bad bro
Jan 04 22:59:12 <kaikai2> op*
Jan 04 22:59:12 <TacticalJoke> I guess nobody uses 'default'.
Jan 04 22:59:17 <kaikai2> i use default
Jan 04 22:59:22 <canadiancow> i do, when it's desired
Jan 04 22:59:37 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 04 22:59:46 <TacticalJoke> Outside of a switch statement?
Jan 04 22:59:52 <kaikai2> i remember i read somewhere youre supposed to make everything private and slowly raise their status
Jan 04 22:59:53 <kaikai2> as you go
Jan 04 22:59:57 <canadiancow> you want to use the most private modifier that lets you do what you want
Jan 04 23:00:02 <kaikai2> ^
Jan 04 23:00:11 <canadiancow> kaikai2, sure, i guess, but if you know its going to need to be public, why not start from there :P
Jan 04 23:00:14 <Anthaas> Yes
Jan 04 23:00:17 <kaikai2> well of course
Jan 04 23:00:18 <Anthaas> Another things I see
Jan 04 23:00:22 <nemik> hello, i'm using the youtube API and the youtube playerview. i would like to detect keypresses on it from an attached USB keybaord, but the setOnKeyListener does not appear to be capturing anything. anyone have any ideas?
Jan 04 23:00:22 <Anthaas> NOT ALL METHODS SHOULD BE PUBLIC
Jan 04 23:00:25 <karakuri> TackticalJoke: maybe have a look at Effective Java 2nd ed?
Jan 04 23:00:26 <pragma-> make all the things public, forget about getters and setters -- life will be so much easier!
Jan 04 23:00:27 <TacticalJoke> When would you use the 'default' access modifier?
Jan 04 23:00:28 <Anthaas> I can't get that into co-workers heads lol
Jan 04 23:00:32 <kaikai2> so start from teh lowest level as you said
Jan 04 23:00:42 <canadiancow> TacticalJoke, UNIT TESTS!!!11!!1!
Jan 04 23:00:53 <canadiancow> when you want something in the same package to have access, but not other things
Jan 04 23:00:55 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 23:01:04 <TacticalJoke> So it's an OCD thing.  You don't wanna not use a keyword, I guess.
Jan 04 23:01:05 <pragma-> also, it takes cpu to call functions to to get/set fields, just access them directly!  save battery!
Jan 04 23:01:22 <kaikai2> tactical: pacakgeprivate is different from private
Jan 04 23:01:27 <karakuri> i think that's negligible
Jan 04 23:01:43 * karakuri does a thing
Jan 04 23:01:49 <TacticalJoke> Wait, 'default' doesn't seem to be an access specifier.
Jan 04 23:01:55 <karakuri> its not
Jan 04 23:02:01 <karakuri> its just called default by some people
Jan 04 23:02:03 <kaikai2> default = pacakgeprivate
Jan 04 23:02:19 <karakuri> you just don't specify a modifier
Jan 04 23:02:26 <bloop> I honestly prefer lexically scoped closures to all this OOP stuff. information visibility then becomes implicit in the structure of the code, and you can even make things more fine-grained (a variable that is private to these two functions but not that one, more than 2 levels of "staticness", etc.)
Jan 04 23:02:28 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jan 04 23:02:50 <karakuri> int blarg; // package-private aka "default"vs. private in blare
Jan 04 23:02:57 <kaikai2> tacticaljoke: http://www.gotoquiz.com/web-coding/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/java-member-access-levels1.png
Jan 04 23:02:59 <karakuri> gah, that didn't work
Jan 04 23:03:12 <kaikai2> notice it allows private and package, thus why it's sometimes called pacakge-private
Jan 04 23:03:29 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 23:03:38 <Anthaas> basically, the four are. public int x; private int x; protected int x; int x;
Jan 04 23:03:41 <pragma-> where's the star text?
Jan 04 23:04:01 <TacticalJoke> I used to omit 'private' in C#, since it was the default.
Jan 04 23:04:10 <kaikai2> anthaas, public int x, protected int x, int x, private int x
Jan 04 23:04:14 <kaikai2> ;)
Jan 04 23:04:32 <Anthaas> kaikai2: In order, perhaps :P
Jan 04 23:04:37 <lasserix> OCD = inflexible != reusability = excess time spent coding
Jan 04 23:04:47 <kaikai2> ^ =[
Jan 04 23:05:07 <Anthaas> = more time if you are not the original developer trying to make fixes/changes
Jan 04 23:05:17 <karakuri> Ctrl-shift F (or Cmd-shift F)
Jan 04 23:05:23 <TacticalJoke> Do you get OCD about commit messages, kaikai2, if you don't mind my asking?
Jan 04 23:05:29 <TacticalJoke> And about changesets and stuff.
Jan 04 23:05:46 <karakuri> all our commits have a specific format
Jan 04 23:06:01 <karakuri> as do our issue tracker resolves
Jan 04 23:06:04 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 23:06:27 <TacticalJoke> Don't you ever have that lingering doubt that this code you're checking in might not be perfect, though?
Jan 04 23:06:30 <kaikai2> i get ocd for everything
Jan 04 23:06:31 <karakuri> its slightly obnoxious, but its good accounting, so *shrug*
Jan 04 23:06:37 <kaikai2> even going to the point of washing dishes twice
Jan 04 23:06:44 <kaikai2> but i just ignore the urges now
Jan 04 23:06:45 <karakuri> you can always change it later
Jan 04 23:06:45 <TacticalJoke> Doh.
Jan 04 23:07:15 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: that's like trying cook without creating something to clean up
Jan 04 23:07:21 <TacticalJoke> True.
Jan 04 23:07:30 <TacticalJoke> It's so hard for me to check in non-pretty-much-perfect stuff, though.
Jan 04 23:07:30 <pragma-> changing commit messages after pushing is a no-no
Jan 04 23:07:42 <devslash> if i change my package identifier, the play store will treat it as an entirely different app right ?
Jan 04 23:07:48 <pragma-> (for distributed versioning, anyway)
Jan 04 23:08:09 <lasserix> Just spend a mental calculation and figure out how much time of your life you waste doing little ocd things like taking time to manually format white space or whatever your beef is
Jan 04 23:08:12 <lasserix> it adds up
Jan 04 23:08:16 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jan 04 23:08:37 <lasserix> by the end you can literally say like " i spent 3 months of my life manually formating white space "
Jan 04 23:08:41 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 23:08:53 <karakuri> like i said, ctrl-shift-F or cmd-shift-F
Jan 04 23:08:57 <Anthaas> ctrl a, ctrl i
Jan 04 23:08:58 <TacticalJoke> I've been doing that lately, actually.  I hate how Eclipse retains whiespace on blank lines.
Jan 04 23:09:01 <TacticalJoke> whitespace*
Jan 04 23:09:12 <kaikai2> yea tacticaljoke
Jan 04 23:09:17 <kaikai2> that might be why you dislike coding
Jan 04 23:09:20 <kaikai2> you like teh sport of it
Jan 04 23:09:23 <kaikai2> but its such a trigger for OCD
Jan 04 23:09:26 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jan 04 23:09:30 <pragma-> shrug, real programmers don't use eclipse.
Jan 04 23:09:32 <TacticalJoke> I manually delete them all with Ctrl+Backspace.
Jan 04 23:09:36 <TacticalJoke> What can I use for Android?
Jan 04 23:09:38 <lasserix> well it's other things like manually logging in or using automatic log in for stuff: if you crunch the numbers its like weeks of your life spent simply sigining in and out of services
Jan 04 23:09:41 <kaikai2> honestly, id say what helped for me
Jan 04 23:09:42 <TacticalJoke> Oh, you mean text editing.
Jan 04 23:09:43 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 04 23:09:50 <kaikai2> was i read up on some norml coding conventions
Jan 04 23:09:52 <kaikai2> and just tried to stick with it
Jan 04 23:09:52 <devslash> anyone know ?
Jan 04 23:09:53 <pragma-> vim + ant is the way to go
Jan 04 23:10:01 <kaikai2> stick with a style and just try to not change it
Jan 04 23:10:05 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 23:10:12 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, kaikai2.
Jan 04 23:10:19 <kaikai2> finish the code even if you think its bad
Jan 04 23:10:19 <TacticalJoke> I hated doing C++ with libraries that used their own style.
Jan 04 23:10:22 <kaikai2> and go back and change it
Jan 04 23:10:25 <TacticalJoke> I would literally not be able to program anymore.
Jan 04 23:10:41 <TacticalJoke> MFC is the perfect example.
Jan 04 23:10:55 <nemik> hello, i'm using the youtube API and the youtube playerview. i would like to detect keypresses on it from an attached USB keybaord, but the setOnKeyListener does not appear to be capturing anything. anyone have any ideas?
Jan 04 23:11:02 <TacticalJoke> Although MFC failed in every possible manner.
Jan 04 23:11:20 <kaikai2> this might not be advisable by our feelow channel peers
Jan 04 23:11:28 <kaikai2> but what really helped my OCD was some sativa
Jan 04 23:11:30 <lasserix> but now you have to install massive amounts of framework just to have a simple form app on windows
Jan 04 23:11:37 <kaikai2> no indica, just pure sativa
Jan 04 23:11:42 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 04 23:11:43 <kaikai2> and you wont feel drowsy and youll work like a bull
Jan 04 23:11:44 <lasserix> ++ ^
Jan 04 23:12:06 <TacticalJoke> Do you guys remember the horrible naming convention of the C++ STL?
Jan 04 23:12:07 <lasserix> good for when you can't route that bug too
Jan 04 23:12:11 <kaikai2> yea that too
Jan 04 23:12:13 <TacticalJoke> All lowercase and underscores.  Urgh.
Jan 04 23:12:21 <devslash> if i change my package identifier, the play store will treat it as an entirely different app right ?
Jan 04 23:12:23 <kaikai2> and when youre really on a deadline, some macha green tea. no caffeine
Jan 04 23:12:36 <kaikai2> stock up on waterbottles, find a good album and lock yourself up for the next 12 hours
Jan 04 23:12:56 <kaikai2> just dont get in the habbit of where you abuse the ability to do that :)
Jan 04 23:12:58 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Jan 04 23:13:00 <pragma-> and pull the internet plug?
Jan 04 23:13:05 <lasserix> worse comes to worse there's always incontinence aids in the supermarket so you don't even have to waste time getting to the bathroom
Jan 04 23:13:12 <TacticalJoke> I know of someone who had a nervous breakdown after doing some hardcore assembly stuff.
Jan 04 23:13:34 <TacticalJoke> lol lasserix
Jan 04 23:13:45 <bloop> I feel like some kind of weirdo in that code style has no effect on me. All I need is indentation. Other than that I really don't care where you put your {s, or even if you're consistent. Probably because I think all code is pretty ugly, and paying so much attention to aesthetics feels like gold-plating dog poop sometimes.
Jan 04 23:13:53 <kaikai2> ehh natural herbs > substance drugs anyday
Jan 04 23:14:04 <TacticalJoke> Oh, my code is like a work of art.
Jan 04 23:14:09 <TacticalJoke> Every character has its place.
Jan 04 23:14:10 <kaikai2> i believe you
Jan 04 23:14:11 <kaikai2> LOl.
Jan 04 23:14:15 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 23:14:23 <lasserix> kaikai2 : i dunno, modafil seems pretty popular
Jan 04 23:14:25 <TacticalJoke> Every method is exactly as short as it needs to be, with exactly one responsibility.
Jan 04 23:14:39 <TacticalJoke> I spend hours thinking about class names.
Jan 04 23:14:43 <bloop> but that's not aesthetics, that's design
Jan 04 23:14:48 <kaikai2> tactical: thats not art btw
Jan 04 23:14:51 <bloop> calss names are aesthetics though
Jan 04 23:14:51 <TacticalJoke> I think they overlap here.
Jan 04 23:15:04 <TacticalJoke> It's aeshetically pleasing to me to have good design going.
Jan 04 23:15:11 <TacticalJoke> aesthetically*
Jan 04 23:15:23 <kaikai2> true art is when you write code in the format of ASCII Art
Jan 04 23:15:27 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 23:15:46 <bloop> like, the conceptual structure of your code is very different to me (and much more important) than if you use camelCase or underscores
Jan 04 23:15:59 <TacticalJoke> I wish I were like that, bloop.
Jan 04 23:16:08 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: at the end of the day do you want to have written one line of code: ie the declaration of your class name with a wonderful, majestic worthy of literary fame well chosen word or functioning code?
Jan 04 23:16:12 <kaikai2> but you can, its all in your head
Jan 04 23:16:45 <kaikai2> im pretty sure every programmer has dealt with some innate OCD symptom
Jan 04 23:16:50 <lasserix> heh
Jan 04 23:16:57 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 04 23:17:03 <TacticalJoke> You people are right.
Jan 04 23:17:27 <kaikai2> tacticaljoke another thing is
Jan 04 23:17:32 <kaikai2> try to find a friend to do ap roject with
Jan 04 23:17:42 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: i too spent hours thinking of the diction of my declarations, but I came to realize what I really was thinking about was the code design, not the actual variable name.
Jan 04 23:17:49 <kaikai2> youll notice the immediate benefits, youll no longer focus so much on the wording
Jan 04 23:17:50 <TacticalJoke> That's hard for me, though.  What if they deviate from the convention or whatever?
Jan 04 23:17:52 <kaikai2> and more on the function
Jan 04 23:17:59 <kaikai2> make sure you guys follow a similar convention
Jan 04 23:18:01 <kaikai2> and make no changes
Jan 04 23:18:09 <kaikai2> the thing is with a partner you can watch each other
Jan 04 23:18:18 <kaikai2> make adjustments as necessary
Jan 04 23:18:53 <kaikai2> not including the dosage of motivation haha
Jan 04 23:18:57 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I gotta go have a shower.  Thanks for the help.  I've learned about a thousand things in this little chat!
Jan 04 23:18:59 <TacticalJoke> Be back later.
Jan 04 23:19:10 <kaikai2> when i first started i remmeber programming wtih my best friend and taking the occasional toke break after an hour
Jan 04 23:19:28 <bloop> sometimes i even suspect that the need for convention implies a bad design - like if you're repeating yourself needlessly in some manner, you will want the repetitions to be according to some convention. But the problem may be the repetition itself...
Jan 04 23:20:03 <lasserix> bloop: ha that's actually a fundemental paradox of meditation too ;p
Jan 04 23:20:11 <kbs> I made a series of tiny compilable java ascii art a coupla decades back... ;-) https://gist.github.com/4458407
Jan 04 23:20:16 <bloop> obviously not using indentation or naming all your variables with combinations of lower case L's and capital i's is basically sinister, though
Jan 04 23:21:26 <kbs> I might want it engraved on my tombstone. "He wasn't a particularly special coder, but he had fun doin' it :-)"
Jan 04 23:23:03 <canadiancow> cow :D
Jan 04 23:23:18 <canadiancow> drunk cow :D
Jan 04 23:23:19 <kbs> hey. My best piece of java code ever.
Jan 04 23:28:35 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 04 23:28:39 <Parhs> i have a strange issue
Jan 04 23:34:55 <pierpark> re: photoshop... how do I take my already transparent vector image I've placed on top of a white layer and cookie-cut the bitch out so that I have a white background with a cut-out transparent hole in it?
Jan 04 23:35:15 <pierpark> I need the white surrounding the transparent vector, in other words.
Jan 04 23:35:15 <kaikai> wow
Jan 04 23:35:18 <kaikai> i cant believe
Jan 04 23:35:30 <kaikai> i was talking to ymself in #
Jan 04 23:35:30 <kaikai> thought i was in android-dev
Jan 04 23:35:30 <kaikai> LOL.
Jan 04 23:35:39 <kaikai> my question: any reason why you have to use try catch when you grab the versioncode?
Jan 04 23:35:55 <kbs> pierpark: does photoshop have an "invert selection" option?
Jan 04 23:35:56 <pierpark> I would imagine that not all API's support it.
Jan 04 23:36:08 <pierpark> kbs: yes ... somewhere
Jan 04 23:36:17 <pierpark> kbs: ooooh I think i know where
Jan 04 23:37:15 <pierpark> kbs: yep. sure does.
Jan 04 23:52:38 <lasserix> what's the adb command to get connected devices?
Jan 04 23:53:18 <lasserix> heh nm
Jan 04 23:53:39 <KaiKai> adb devices
Jan 05 00:01:54 <meetri> I'm doing an animation on a linear layout. I want to make the layout to maintain the last position of the animation via .setFillAfter() and that works. However now buttons on this layout does not work properly because they are not mapped to match the new location of the layout. How can I solve this problem?
Jan 05 00:02:27 <KaiKai> how are you drawing your animation
Jan 05 00:03:07 <meetri> I'm using AnimationUtils.loadAnimation, and i set it to the view via:  startAnimation
Jan 05 00:03:33 <meetri> the animation itself is defined in an xml file.
Jan 05 00:03:44 <SimonVT> You have to move the View the old fashioned way (layoutparams)
Jan 05 00:04:32 <TacticalJoke> Do you folks use tabs or spaces?
Jan 05 00:04:51 <SimonVT> spaces
Jan 05 00:05:05 <KaiKai> depends for what
Jan 05 00:05:11 <TacticalJoke> For Java code.
Jan 05 00:05:22 <TacticalJoke> Eclipse is set up to use tabs by default.  Weird.
Jan 05 00:05:32 <Jug6ernaut> eclipse is weird
Jan 05 00:06:02 <KaiKai> http://stevenbenner.com/2010/07/the-5-types-of-programmers/
Jan 05 00:06:17 <KaiKai> i use tabs
Jan 05 00:06:18 <nemik> I'm able to capture up/down/left/right back etc system keys with an @override for onKeyDown in my activity, but not character keys from a USB keybaord. how would i enable that?
Jan 05 00:06:51 <TacticalJoke> I was looking at that earlier, KaiKai.  :)
Jan 05 00:06:52 <KaiKai> i thought you were talking about, int           i          =            0;
Jan 05 00:07:06 <KaiKai> but im guessing you're not that crazy... ;0
Jan 05 00:07:15 <JesusFreke> You don't use tabs for that? what? :)
Jan 05 00:07:19 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 05 00:07:25 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I meant indentation.
Jan 05 00:07:44 <meetri> SimonVT, So I guess I can do the move at the completion of the animation. Thanks!
Jan 05 00:07:50 <KaiKai> i dont like spaces
Jan 05 00:07:54 <SimonVT> Exactly, meetri
Jan 05 00:07:55 <KaiKai> it feels too confined
Jan 05 00:08:11 <SimonVT> As far as I know, the new animation APIs in HC+ doesn't require this
Jan 05 00:08:20 <SimonVT> But, old platforms and all that
Jan 05 00:08:21 <KaiKai> and its hard to differentiate between a space, 2 spaces, etc
Jan 05 00:08:54 <TacticalJoke> Four spaces look the same as usual tabs, though, right?
Jan 05 00:10:45 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: except your using 3x the space
Jan 05 00:11:15 <TacticalJoke> How do you mean?
Jan 05 00:12:04 <KaiKai> lol
Jan 05 00:13:01 <canadiancow> what?
Jan 05 00:13:09 <canadiancow> a tab is displayed however you configure your IDE to display it
Jan 05 00:13:14 <canadiancow> historically it's 8 spaces
Jan 05 00:14:04 <TacticalJoke> AmandaC:  Did you mean four times?  Then I get it.
Jan 05 00:14:08 <KaiKai> yes.
Jan 05 00:15:27 <nemik> this is making no sense. keys like left-shift, right-shift, num-lock etc are all being caught EXCEPT numbers and characters. wtf is going on?
Jan 05 00:16:42 <TacticalJoke> Whoa, Android's moving away from a dedicated menu button?
Jan 05 00:17:02 <Jug6ernaut> where have u been last 3 years?
Jan 05 00:17:14 <TacticalJoke> Please bear the following disclaimer in mind:  I've been using Android for three days.  I've been programming for Android for two days.
Jan 05 00:17:30 <nemik> anyone familiar with the keylistener?
Jan 05 00:17:36 <TacticalJoke> My every message should be viewed in this light.  :D
Jan 05 00:17:43 <deepy> Jug6ernaut: I have a phone that got released with ICS, it still has teh dedicated menu button
Jan 05 00:17:46 <deepy> and I love it
Jan 05 00:17:49 <TacticalJoke> I love my menu button!
Jan 05 00:17:54 <TacticalJoke> I have a Sony Xperia U.
Jan 05 00:18:03 <Jug6ernaut> deep thats oem's
Jan 05 00:18:10 <deepy> I still miss the search button, though removing that kinda make sense
Jan 05 00:18:19 * Jug6ernaut never used search button
Jan 05 00:18:22 <Jug6ernaut> not even once
Jan 05 00:18:37 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure I like the idea of an on-screen menu button.
Jan 05 00:18:38 <deepy> It's a shortcut, you have to be a certain kind of person to use it
Jan 05 00:18:51 <deepy> (the search button that is)
Jan 05 00:19:04 <SimonVT> But the search button is right there in the action bar
Jan 05 00:19:06 <deepy> But merging search with menu was okay with me, especially when I figured out that you could longpress menu
Jan 05 00:19:09 <SimonVT> Why do you need a hardware button
Jan 05 00:19:15 <TacticalJoke> So, if new apps aren't respecting the menu button, how well will they run on pre-3.0 systems?
Jan 05 00:19:18 <deepy> SimonVT: like I said, it's a shortcut
Jan 05 00:19:18 <TacticalJoke> Or won't they?
Jan 05 00:19:38 <TacticalJoke> I wanted to create an app that used the menu button.  :/
Jan 05 00:19:40 <deepy> SimonVT: it's probably only useful in applications, not outside
Jan 05 00:19:42 <TacticalJoke> I love that thing.
Jan 05 00:19:47 <TacticalJoke> Now I'm being told I shouldn't.  What the.
Jan 05 00:20:04 <deepy> TacticalJoke: I think you should, but make the same functionality accessible for tablet people too
Jan 05 00:20:04 <SimonVT> An action bar button is better.. Since it's only there when there's actually something to search for
Jan 05 00:20:11 <KaiKai> okay so i need you guys to help me dummy proof these error messages for billing
Jan 05 00:20:12 <KaiKai>     <string name="billing_not_supported_dialog_message">Billing not supported. Please check with Google Play.</string>
Jan 05 00:20:12 <KaiKai>     <string name="billing_error_message">Billing error. Please check internet connection and application version.</string>
Jan 05 00:20:12 <KaiKai>     <string name="billing_incorrect_version_message">Transaction failed. Please update application version to proceed.</string>
Jan 05 00:20:12 <KaiKai>     <string name="billing_unknown_error_message">Transaction failed. Try again or contact us.</string>
Jan 05 00:20:24 <SimonVT> A hardware search button is just.. does it work? I don't know, I'm forced to try
Jan 05 00:20:25 <deepy> SimonVT: it's not better, it takes up more space
Jan 05 00:20:34 <KaiKai> for the last two im trying to make sure that the user knows that they wern't charged
Jan 05 00:21:04 <SimonVT> The entire idea is that your available actions are on screen, there's no guessing
Jan 05 00:21:35 <SimonVT> With hardware buttons there's no indication of whether they do anything or not
Jan 05 00:21:38 <deepy> I come from an iOS background, I loved the extra hardware buttons
Jan 05 00:21:51 <deepy> and every single application I've used has made use of them
Jan 05 00:22:07 <deepy> So I've been relatively lucky and thus I'm biased
Jan 05 00:22:16 <TacticalJoke> The Action Bar seems to take up a lot of screen space.
Jan 05 00:22:32 <deepy> TacticalJoke: have you seen chrome?
Jan 05 00:22:38 <TacticalJoke> Not on Android.
Jan 05 00:22:43 <deepy> There's a good way to use the action bar, but I don't see it as viable in every app
Jan 05 00:23:14 <deepy>  http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/938514/android-browser-vs-chrome.jpg
Jan 05 00:23:20 <TacticalJoke> If I make an app that uses the hardware menu button, and it's run on a device without such a button, will the Action Bar just display my menu in its new menu?
Jan 05 00:24:03 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: only if it's API 11 or up
Jan 05 00:24:16 <edcba> hi, i'm a noob at android dev, is there a resource on background tasks ?
Jan 05 00:24:34 <TacticalJoke> deepy:  What am I looking at?
Jan 05 00:24:41 <TacticalJoke> AmandaC:  I don't get that.  Hmm.
Jan 05 00:24:47 <edcba> ie what can i do while my app is not at foreground
Jan 05 00:25:17 <deepy> I might be terribly mistaken, but I thought the top of chrome was an action bar
Jan 05 00:25:25 <Leeds> edcba: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
Jan 05 00:26:33 <clever> TacticalJoke: from what ive seen, it may also use the soft menu button (near soft home/back)
Jan 05 00:26:38 <clever> i'm not sure what causes some apps to use that, and some to use the action bar
Jan 05 00:26:43 <AmandaC> clever: that's only if they're API 10 or lower
Jan 05 00:26:47 <clever> ah
Jan 05 00:26:51 <TacticalJoke> So we don't actually have to program for the Action Bar to get our menu there?
Jan 05 00:26:51 <AmandaC> ( for targetApiVersion )
Jan 05 00:27:14 <SimonVT> Don't use the compatibility menu button..
Jan 05 00:27:18 <SimonVT> It's for outdated apps
Jan 05 00:27:21 <deepy> if your midSdkVersion or targetSdkVErsion is lower than 11 you'll see the menu button
Jan 05 00:27:25 <TacticalJoke> What's the compatilibility menu button?
Jan 05 00:27:26 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: as long as you're targeting 11 or up, nope, it's populated from the same place as the old menu button was
Jan 05 00:27:27 <deepy> err, min Sdk
Jan 05 00:27:33 <clever> TacticalJoke: i just define onCreateOptionsMenu and it just works
Jan 05 00:27:38 <SimonVT> What clever called soft menu button
Jan 05 00:27:50 <AmandaC> deepy: only target, not min, min can be 1 for all it cares
Jan 05 00:27:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay, clever.
Jan 05 00:28:05 <TacticalJoke> That's what I mean.
Jan 05 00:28:05 <deepy> AmandaC: not according to http://android-developers.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/say-goodbye-to-menu-button.html?m=1
Jan 05 00:28:13 <SimonVT> And it's <14 for phones
Jan 05 00:28:18 <SimonVT> (the targetsdk)
Jan 05 00:28:21 <TacticalJoke> I'm hoping that if I do the whole onCreateOptionsMenu thing then new devices will still be able to access my menu somehow.
Jan 05 00:28:43 <AmandaC> deepy: I've got several apps with a minSdk lower than 11 or 14, they don't have the compatability menu icon
Jan 05 00:28:50 <AmandaC> err s/icon/button/
Jan 05 00:29:10 <deepy> AmandaC: but is targetSdkVersion 11 or higher in that case?
Jan 05 00:29:14 <SimonVT> If you don't set a targetsdkversion, it'll be the same as your minsdk
Jan 05 00:29:21 <SimonVT> That's why they mention minsdk
Jan 05 00:29:30 <AmandaC> deepy: target is the latest
Jan 05 00:29:31 <KaiKai2> too much fragmentation =[
Jan 05 00:29:40 <TacticalJoke> I set my app to support at least 2.2, so I guess I'm safe.
Jan 05 00:29:53 <deepy> AmandaC: ah. then you'll see that it's because if either of them is 11 or higher it will not be added
Jan 05 00:30:10 <deepy> unless minSdkVersion is 10 or low and target is between 11 and 13 and you're not using ActionBar
Jan 05 00:30:43 <KaiKai2> http://i.imgur.com/Av1nw.jpg
Jan 05 00:31:23 <deepy> Which is what the article said clearly and what I tried to say, but failed. I blame my Swedish heritage.
Jan 05 00:31:28 <canadiancow> 11 for sw600dp devices, 14 for others
Jan 05 00:32:20 <SimonVT> But but.. 11 doesn't have the sw600dp qualifier!
Jan 05 00:32:43 <TacticalJoke> I got disconnected, so if anyone said anything to me then I missed it.  Sorry.
Jan 05 00:35:31 <TacticalJoke> Uhh, this whole menu thing is messy.
Jan 05 00:36:02 <TacticalJoke> The Recent Apps button is so pointless.
Jan 05 00:36:49 <SimonVT> Why
Jan 05 00:37:35 <SimonVT> That's like saying alt+tab is pointless on a desktop
Jan 05 00:38:01 <TacticalJoke> People actually use Alt+Tab.  :D
Jan 05 00:38:40 <TacticalJoke> Plus, you can long-press Home for recent apps.
Jan 05 00:39:20 <SimonVT> People actually use the recent apps button
Jan 05 00:39:26 <SimonVT> Or task switcher or whatever the official name is
Jan 05 00:39:45 <birbeck> on my one x i long press it for menu
Jan 05 00:39:56 <TacticalJoke> Oh.
Jan 05 00:40:11 <birbeck> I long press home for Google Now
Jan 05 00:40:12 <SimonVT> if I long-press home I can choose google now.. that's about it
Jan 05 00:40:15 <TacticalJoke> It sounds like a bad idea to me, though, losing the dedicated menu button and, in some cases, replacing it with a recent-apps button.
Jan 05 00:40:25 <TacticalJoke> Having a consistent menu button is nice.  Always in the same place
Jan 05 00:40:26 <TacticalJoke> .
Jan 05 00:40:41 <TacticalJoke> Don't have to go all the way to the top of the screen.
Jan 05 00:40:48 <SimonVT> The menu button going is not related to the recent apps button being introduced
Jan 05 00:40:59 <Leeds> OMG, all the way to the top of the screen????
Jan 05 00:41:03 <SimonVT> If they wanted, they could have had 4 buttons
Jan 05 00:41:07 <Clie> Does anyone how the following situation is handled? One finger touches the screen ( and thus it's ID = 0 ), then the next frame that finger is lifted while another started touching. Does that finger get ID 0 or 1?
Jan 05 00:41:17 <birbeck> Leeds: if you've got a note 2 or something, thats pretty far
Jan 05 00:41:23 <TacticalJoke> I thought it was in some cases, SimonVT.
Jan 05 00:41:36 <Leeds> birbeck: don't get a massive phoneslate unless you've got manhands :)
Jan 05 00:41:56 <birbeck> i didnt say _I_ have a problem with it :)
Jan 05 00:42:25 <SimonVT> What was?
Jan 05 00:42:45 <TacticalJoke> I thought Recent Apps replaced Menu on some phones.
Jan 05 00:42:52 <TacticalJoke> I doubt that some of those phones would have gone for four buttons.
Jan 05 00:43:06 <SimonVT> They didn't remove the menu button to make room for the recent apps button..
Jan 05 00:43:36 <canadiancow> they removed the menu button because no when had any idea when pressing it would trigger something
Jan 05 00:43:42 <canadiancow> s/when/one/
Jan 05 00:43:55 <SimonVT> (same with the search button)
Jan 05 00:44:01 <Leeds> yeah, Android menus were always a little... odd
Jan 05 00:44:16 <birbeck> i remember the good ol days of android, when you could use menus and long presses and no one complained
Jan 05 00:44:32 <canadiancow> i kinda miss search sometimes, where you cuold longpress and immediately bring up voice actions
Jan 05 00:44:55 <canadiancow> now you have to go to the home screen or google now and hit the mic
Jan 05 00:45:04 <canadiancow> it's twice as many steps
Jan 05 00:45:19 <TacticalJoke> Fragmentation does seem to be a problem on Android.  I say that as a semi-outsider looking in.
Jan 05 00:45:24 <birbeck> canadiancow: now if the app doesnt set the target sdk to 11+, then they get a software menu button, even if the activity does not have an options menu
Jan 05 00:45:38 <canadiancow> i am aware how it works
Jan 05 00:45:40 <canadiancow> :P
Jan 05 00:45:46 <canadiancow> what is "fragmentation"
Jan 05 00:45:48 <Leeds> canadiancow: I thought you could just say "Google" once you were in Now?  in US English, anyway
Jan 05 00:45:49 <canadiancow> like in your own words
Jan 05 00:45:56 <SimonVT> It's a problem if you're an outsider looking in
Jan 05 00:45:56 <canadiancow> Leeds, sure, but tapping is faster
Jan 05 00:45:57 <birbeck> are you? you only work on 14+.
Jan 05 00:46:10 <canadiancow> birbeck, at work...
Jan 05 00:46:17 <canadiancow> at the job ive had for 4 months...
Jan 05 00:46:33 <canadiancow> at home and prior to this job, its like 8+
Jan 05 00:46:40 <birbeck> Leeds: How do you say "Google" in any other language?
Jan 05 00:46:57 <TacticalJoke> Isn't it a problem for you guys?
Jan 05 00:46:57 <TacticalJoke> You have to worry about Android versions, screens, etc.
Jan 05 00:46:57 <TacticalJoke> Doesn't sound so simple.
Jan 05 00:46:58 <AmandaC> birbeck: "Google" -- it's a proper noun, you don't translate proper nouns
Jan 05 00:47:18 <birbeck> AmandaC: it is also a name
Jan 05 00:47:19 <canadiancow> TacticalJoke, screen support is easy
Jan 05 00:47:22 <canadiancow> versions are easy
Jan 05 00:47:24 <SimonVT> No, the sdk makes it pretty simple
Jan 05 00:47:27 <canadiancow> the problems are when OEMs do stupid things
Jan 05 00:47:35 <canadiancow> like how are your issues different than web apps?
Jan 05 00:47:39 <Leeds> which is why everyone should just buy Nexus phones?
Jan 05 00:47:51 <Leeds> well, if they actually made more than 5
Jan 05 00:47:57 <birbeck> heh
Jan 05 00:48:03 <canadiancow> actually there was a driver bug on the nexus s
Jan 05 00:48:09 <canadiancow> it was annoying
Jan 05 00:48:10 <canadiancow> :P
Jan 05 00:48:18 <TacticalJoke> Versions are easy?
Jan 05 00:48:21 <canadiancow> yes
Jan 05 00:48:46 <canadiancow> if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT > Build.VERSION_CODES.JELLY_BEAN) { /* use awesome notifications*/ } else { /* dont */ }
Jan 05 00:48:47 <birbeck> screens are easy too
Jan 05 00:48:48 <TacticalJoke> If I use the menu button (as I wish to), I have to worry about how users of non-menu-button phones will experience my app.
Jan 05 00:48:56 <canadiancow> you use an actionbar
Jan 05 00:49:09 <canadiancow> if you're not using the actionbar, but you are using a menu, you're doing it wrong
Jan 05 00:49:11 <TacticalJoke> I can't even test the ActionBar on a real device.
Jan 05 00:49:16 <canadiancow> yes you can?
Jan 05 00:49:18 <birbeck> TacticalJoke: either they have a hardware menu, or a software menu, but there is always a menu
Jan 05 00:49:19 <TacticalJoke> But I have a 2.3 handset.
Jan 05 00:49:23 <TacticalJoke> I *want* to use the menu button.
Jan 05 00:49:24 <canadiancow> actionbarsherlock.com
Jan 05 00:49:40 <TacticalJoke> My handset doesn't support ActionBars.
Jan 05 00:49:44 <canadiancow> yes it does
Jan 05 00:49:55 <canadiancow> i just gave you the link
Jan 05 00:50:51 <AmandaC> Devices with hardware menu buttons don't use the overflow icon in the action bar, actually
Jan 05 00:51:12 <TacticalJoke> Well, that's not officially supported or anything.
Jan 05 00:51:16 <AmandaC> so it's not like using the AB suddenly makes a button on your phone useless
Jan 05 00:51:30 <SimonVT> ios devs also have to handle different versions, just sayin
Jan 05 00:51:40 <TacticalJoke> I don't like the idea of shipping another library with every app I make.
Jan 05 00:51:56 <pr0metheu5> Hey guys. I just installed a Rom and flashed a custom kernel. If I flash another Rom in the future, will the kernel automatically change, or will it stay the same?
Jan 05 00:51:59 <canadiancow> ok, then keep making sub-par apps
Jan 05 00:52:06 <canadiancow> your reviews will reflect it
Jan 05 00:52:10 <SimonVT> pr0metheu5: #android-root
Jan 05 00:52:10 <AmandaC> SimonVT: but, see, Android's worse because old apps will STILL RUN! unlike old iOS apps, that crash because Apple changed a random API
Jan 05 00:52:26 <canadiancow> if you display a soft menu button on my phone, i deduct a star, guaranteed
Jan 05 00:53:16 <SimonVT> I have a friend whose company accidentally broke an app for tens of thousand of ios4 users because the only ios4 device they have was borrowed out.. They forgot to check before using new api's ;d
Jan 05 00:53:24 <TacticalJoke> So I have to fill up my users' hard drives with multiple copies of this library?
Jan 05 00:53:30 <TacticalJoke> What if they're on 3.0+?  I'm wasting their space.
Jan 05 00:53:44 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: it's like, a meg, tops
Jan 05 00:54:01 <SimonVT> Roughly 3-400kb last time I checked
Jan 05 00:54:21 <AmandaC> 565K for my gradle-build .alb
Jan 05 00:54:21 <melureus> doesn't matter, holo all the things hehe
Jan 05 00:54:31 <AmandaC> err 656 noe 565
Jan 05 00:54:35 <TacticalJoke> holo?
Jan 05 00:54:37 <melureus> https://developers.google.com/live/shows/11905893/ <-- liked that show
Jan 05 00:54:49 <ctate> HoloTheme
Jan 05 00:55:18 <melureus> they give tips about making your apps look like on the latest version while maintaining compatibility
Jan 05 00:55:44 <TacticalJoke> If I'm using this Sherlock thingy, and someone has 3.0+, does my code that invokes Sherlock instead invoke the real ActionBar?
Jan 05 00:55:55 <AmandaC> no
Jan 05 00:55:59 <birbeck> only on 4.0+
Jan 05 00:56:02 <AmandaC> but if they're running 4.0+ it does
Jan 05 00:56:11 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 05 00:56:11 <TacticalJoke> That's weird.
Jan 05 00:56:12 <TacticalJoke> Why is that?
Jan 05 00:56:18 <AmandaC> the AB got a lot more powerful in 4.0
Jan 05 00:56:22 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 05 00:56:24 <SimonVT> 4.0 introduced a lot of features
Jan 05 00:56:28 <TacticalJoke> What if Sherlock is buggy?
Jan 05 00:56:35 <SimonVT> That you can't simply make work with the 3.0 actionbar
Jan 05 00:56:37 <Leeds> ABS is perfect and bug-free
Jan 05 00:56:37 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: then report it to JakeWharton
Jan 05 00:56:39 <birbeck> because the action bar in 4.0 is much improved and it maintains compatiblity with that version
Jan 05 00:56:52 <JakeWharton> you're buggy
Jan 05 00:56:55 <SimonVT> s/simply/at all/
Jan 05 00:56:57 <melureus> lol
Jan 05 00:57:05 <JakeWharton> just kidding i have no idea what's going on
Jan 05 00:57:18 <birbeck> JakeWharton: i bet you hate being pinged all day
Jan 05 00:57:26 <SimonVT> It only has 81 open issues
Jan 05 00:57:31 <SimonVT> :p
Jan 05 00:57:43 <SimonVT> We should fix that some day
Jan 05 00:57:50 <JakeWharton> about half aren't real issues though
Jan 05 00:57:57 <ctate> ActionBarSherlock is awesome
Jan 05 00:57:58 <SimonVT> Yeah
Jan 05 00:58:03 <melureus> if it bothers including an extra jar, you could use different apks but then again it's up to you
Jan 05 00:58:05 <JakeWharton> framework bugs that can never be fixed, sadly
Jan 05 00:58:06 <ctate> i say that as someone who works on Android at Google :)
Jan 05 00:58:07 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton made it?
Jan 05 00:58:10 <ctate> yes
Jan 05 00:58:12 <birbeck> well im outta here, have a good weekend guys
Jan 05 00:58:15 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Jan 05 00:58:21 <SimonVT> Later birbeck
Jan 05 00:58:23 <TacticalJoke> Wait, does ColorNote use Sherlock?
Jan 05 00:58:25 * Leeds waits for Google to acquihire Square just for that one guy who works there :)
Jan 05 00:58:32 <TacticalJoke> I just realised that the thing at the top might constitute an ActionBar.
Jan 05 00:58:39 <ctate> the compatiblity library was coming from INSIDE THE IRC CHANNEL!
Jan 05 00:59:05 <SimonVT> Google Currents uses abs
Jan 05 00:59:10 <AmandaC> ctate: VHAT A TWEEST
Jan 05 00:59:28 <bubbleguuum> cant' wait until action bars are depecated in Android 6!
Jan 05 00:59:33 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that is quite a twist.
Jan 05 00:59:39 <TacticalJoke> Directed by M. Night Shyamalan, no doubt.
Jan 05 01:00:17 <TacticalJoke> So, what would have happened if JakeWharton didn't exist?  How would this conversation have gone?
Jan 05 01:00:54 <JakeWharton> "Do I need a Mac to develop for iPhone?"
Jan 05 01:00:56 <SimonVT> Menu items you add to the action bar will show up under the menu button on old devices
Jan 05 01:01:18 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'm seeing that with ColorNote, SimonVT.
Jan 05 01:01:27 <SimonVT> I've heard good things about jetbrains appcode
Jan 05 01:01:34 <SimonVT> So probably not, JakeWharton :p
Jan 05 01:01:56 <SimonVT> Unless it only runs on mac
Jan 05 01:02:08 <SimonVT> Guess it does
Jan 05 01:03:25 <AmandaC> JakeWharton: are you trying to say you were instrumental in the creation of Android? :P
Jan 05 01:04:10 <TacticalJoke> I'm trying to think of a way of avoiding any menus in my app.
Jan 05 01:04:23 <TacticalJoke> So that canadiancow doesn't love me one star.
Jan 05 01:04:27 <AmandaC> ...
Jan 05 01:04:28 <TacticalJoke> lose*
Jan 05 01:04:36 * AmandaC facepaw
Jan 05 01:04:57 <TacticalJoke> Are you a furry?
Jan 05 01:05:03 <AmandaC> yes, what of it?
Jan 05 01:05:51 <meetri> i can move a linearlayout by calling .setX() if my sdk version is >= 11, how do i replicate this behavior on sdk version prior?
Jan 05 01:06:10 <TacticalJoke> Just testing my prediction.  That's cool.
Jan 05 01:07:19 <canadiancow> holy crap i missed a lot
Jan 05 01:07:22 <canadiancow> use an actionbar
Jan 05 01:07:24 <canadiancow> ~_~
Jan 05 01:07:54 <TacticalJoke> You mean an ActionBarSherlock?
Jan 05 01:08:08 <canadiancow> ABS is a lib that gives you an actionbar
Jan 05 01:08:09 <canadiancow> so no
Jan 05 01:08:12 <canadiancow> i mean use an actionbar
Jan 05 01:08:15 <Leeds> ABS is a lie?
Jan 05 01:08:19 <Leeds> of, lib
Jan 05 01:08:21 <canadiancow> basically
Jan 05 01:08:34 <TacticalJoke> It seems there is only one ActionBar.
Jan 05 01:08:38 <JakeWharton> meetri: TranslateAnimation, setFillAfter(true)
Jan 05 01:08:45 <TacticalJoke> And ABS emulates it for < 4.0.
Jan 05 01:09:29 <meetri> JakeWharton, that was my preferred method, however none of the buttons are mapped properly after that.
Jan 05 01:09:42 <JakeWharton> that's a pre-HC limitation of the view system
Jan 05 01:10:03 <JakeWharton> you should actually move the button to it's destination by changing its LayoutParams in its parent when the animation completes
Jan 05 01:10:13 <SimonVT> ^_^
Jan 05 01:10:36 <TacticalJoke> Are things like ActionBarSherlock 'compiled' into the APK?
Jan 05 01:10:43 <AmandaC> yes
Jan 05 01:10:47 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: yes, the resource and class files are included
Jan 05 01:10:47 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Jan 05 01:11:00 <canadiancow> unless the "thing" in question is GPS
Jan 05 01:11:00 <canadiancow> in which case no
Jan 05 01:11:08 <SimonVT> wut
Jan 05 01:11:13 <canadiancow> Google Play Services*
Jan 05 01:11:20 <AmandaC> that's "Google Play Services"  not "Global Positioning Service"
Jan 05 01:11:22 <canadiancow> god we pick names that really dont acronymize
Jan 05 01:11:26 <AmandaC> haha
Jan 05 01:11:32 <Leeds> holy confusing acronym, Batman!
Jan 05 01:11:43 <canadiancow> then there's the Google Play Store
Jan 05 01:11:44 <canadiancow> also GPS
Jan 05 01:11:52 <canadiancow> i wrote an app that uses gps and gps and launched it in the gps
Jan 05 01:11:54 <Leeds> except that's really called the Android Market :P
Jan 05 01:11:56 <SimonVT> And GPS
Jan 05 01:12:20 <TacticalJoke> Do you know whether ColorNote uses ABS, JakeWharton?
Jan 05 01:12:33 <canadiancow> TacticalJoke, keep bugging him ;)
Jan 05 01:12:35 <JakeWharton> I have no idea what ColorNote is nor if they use it
Jan 05 01:13:53 <AmandaC> You're free to implement your own Action Bar, but have fun replicating every little niche it has that users are expecting from a common Action Bar. Or, you can just use his library, and suck up the extra ~.5M
Jan 05 01:14:41 <JakeWharton> it's a shame there isn't a proguard for resources
Jan 05 01:14:48 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, i think there is one
Jan 05 01:14:53 <canadiancow> you just have to pay for it
Jan 05 01:15:16 <TacticalJoke> I'll probably use ABS, I guess, AmandaC.
Jan 05 01:15:20 <canadiancow> oh maybe not
Jan 05 01:15:24 <canadiancow> dexguard does some resource stuff though
Jan 05 01:15:29 <TacticalJoke> I'm gonna make a new to-do list and memo list thingy.
Jan 05 01:15:39 <canadiancow> gee there aren't enough of those =P
Jan 05 01:15:52 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, there's loads, but none does exactly what I want.
Jan 05 01:17:00 <platzhirsch> I see myself calling findViewById very often to access UI components, would it make sense to store a reference to them in a central place or is that discouraged?
Jan 05 01:17:10 <JakeWharton> store them in the instance, yes
Jan 05 01:17:37 <JakeWharton> findViewById is slow, call it as few times as possible
Jan 05 01:17:48 <canadiancow> yeah it really depends what you mean by "central"
Jan 05 01:18:04 <canadiancow> public class MyGodSingleTon { ... } not a good idea
Jan 05 01:18:12 <AmandaC> lol
Jan 05 01:18:26 <canadiancow> but to house references in an activity/fragment for views contained in that act/frag, sure
Jan 05 01:18:48 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 05 01:19:00 <AmandaC> ALL HAIL THE GOD SINGLETON!
Jan 05 01:19:47 <TacticalJoke> I've seen stuff like "public static class GlobalVariables" before.
Jan 05 01:20:02 <TacticalJoke> Yes, that's C#.
Jan 05 01:20:32 <JakeWharton> it's also Java
Jan 05 01:20:41 <TacticalJoke> I thought you couldn't say "public static class"?
Jan 05 01:20:45 <nemik> anyone familiar with the keylistener?
Jan 05 01:20:47 <nemik> this is making no sense. keys like left-shift, right-shift, num-lock etc are all being caught EXCEPT numbers and characters. wtf is going on?
Jan 05 01:20:47 <canadiancow> o.O
Jan 05 01:20:50 <canadiancow> of course you can?
Jan 05 01:20:58 <JakeWharton> top-level classes are static by default, inner classes you can mark as static explicitly
Jan 05 01:21:06 <JakeWharton> public class TopLevel {
Jan 05 01:21:10 <JakeWharton>  public static class Inner {
Jan 05 01:21:11 <platzhirsch> JakeWharton: it's slow? well then hell thanks for your answer
Jan 05 01:21:27 <TacticalJoke> Oh, nested classes.
Jan 05 01:21:31 <TacticalJoke> Well, I'm not talking about them.  :p
Jan 05 01:21:39 <canadiancow> if you dont, you end up tripping people up with code like: OuterClass oc = new OuterClass(); InnerClass ic = oc.new InnerClass();
Jan 05 01:21:50 <SimonVT> platzhirsch: It literally iterates through your entire view hierarchy until it finds a View that has the specified id.. Or null if it doesn't fine one
Jan 05 01:22:05 <platzhirsch> SimonVT: makes thanks, after all it starts with the word 'find'
Jan 05 01:22:10 <platzhirsch> makes sense*
Jan 05 01:22:29 <canadiancow> ViewGroups should contain a hashmap of all their children ;)
Jan 05 01:22:29 <KaiKai2> JakeWharton: off-topic, but how did you get into Android?
Jan 05 01:22:41 <TacticalJoke> So, does any of you have a hardware menu button?  And what do you think about it?
Jan 05 01:22:41 <JakeWharton> the ADC I back in 2008 or whatever
Jan 05 01:22:47 <JakeWharton> (android developer challenge)
Jan 05 01:22:52 <JakeWharton> there were $10mil in prizes
Jan 05 01:22:56 <canadiancow> TacticalJoke, no, it's deprecated, it doesnt exist, it sucks, blah blah
Jan 05 01:23:00 <SimonVT> canadiancow: You just implement that then :p
Jan 05 01:23:05 <KaiKai2> ahh nice
Jan 05 01:23:10 <TacticalJoke> So you all have new phones, I guess.
Jan 05 01:23:12 <canadiancow> SimonVT, im considering it now
Jan 05 01:23:22 <canadiancow> i primarily use a nexus 5
Jan 05 01:23:23 <canadiancow> 4*
Jan 05 01:23:24 <SimonVT> But how would that work
Jan 05 01:23:25 <kbs> fibonacci heaps-style lazy hashmap-on-find would be entertaining :-)
Jan 05 01:23:40 <canadiancow> SimonVT, i'll show you when im done :P
Jan 05 01:23:44 <SimonVT> You'd have to have the views notify their parent when they change id
Jan 05 01:23:48 <JakeWharton> OMG CANADIAN COW JUST ANNOUNCED THE NEXUS 5
Jan 05 01:23:56 * canadiancow sighs
Jan 05 01:24:12 <canadiancow> no im just confused because its clsoer to 5 inches than 4
Jan 05 01:24:19 * kbs thinks invalidating cache might be simplest, esp if you do a lazy find/lookup.
Jan 05 01:24:21 <SimonVT> Not the first time he prematurely announced devices
Jan 05 01:24:31 <JakeWharton> woah. Jeff Sharkey won $275k in the ADC1
Jan 05 01:24:45 <Leeds> JakeWharton: and a job...
Jan 05 01:24:53 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 05 01:24:54 <StingRay_> i though the 4 was the device release number
Jan 05 01:25:00 <JakeWharton> yeah
Jan 05 01:25:00 <StingRay_> rather than screen size
Jan 05 01:25:03 <JakeWharton> i was hoping that was pre-Goog days
Jan 05 01:25:09 <canadiancow> what about 7
Jan 05 01:25:10 <canadiancow> and 10
Jan 05 01:25:16 <StingRay_> mistakes
Jan 05 01:25:19 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 05 01:25:28 <platzhirsch> Are fields in an Activity a good place to store the UI component reference where they get initialized on object creation or does object creation happen often? I would imagine onCreate != object construction
Jan 05 01:25:31 <KaiKai2> TacticalJoke: http://www.perfectomobile.com/portal/cms/services/android
Jan 05 01:25:33 <SimonVT> What'll they call the next generation?
Jan 05 01:25:42 <SimonVT> "The new Nexus 4"?
Jan 05 01:25:51 <JakeWharton> 4S
Jan 05 01:25:57 <TacticalJoke> If a usre has a menu button, and they're using an app using ABS, can they choose to see the on-screen menu and not use the menu button?
Jan 05 01:26:00 <TacticalJoke> user*
Jan 05 01:26:03 <SimonVT> haha
Jan 05 01:26:14 <JakeWharton> platzhirsch: yes, that is a good place
Jan 05 01:26:23 <kbs> surely it should be, "may the 4s be with you"
Jan 05 01:26:25 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: no
Jan 05 01:26:43 <TacticalJoke> Interesting, KaiKai2.
Jan 05 01:27:02 <KaiKai2> no more devices.
Jan 05 01:27:07 <KaiKai2> extra*
Jan 05 01:27:20 <JakeWharton> "Recently Added droid Devices"
Jan 05 01:27:28 <JakeWharton> credibility lost
Jan 05 01:27:44 <JakeWharton> there's also a ton of free services that do the same thing. save your money
Jan 05 01:27:48 <Leeds> JakeWharton: could be a Verizon-specific site?
Jan 05 01:28:09 <TacticalJoke> I don't get it, though.  How is it "accessing real devices", or whatever?
Jan 05 01:28:17 <JakeWharton> "droid®, RIM®, Research In Motion®, SureType® and related trademarks, names and logos are the property of Research In Motion Limited"
Jan 05 01:28:17 <KaiKai2> JakeWharton: link please?
Jan 05 01:28:36 <KaiKai2> JakeWharton: i've never used it but i thought it was interesting and wanted to use it in the future
Jan 05 01:29:11 <JakeWharton> apkudo and testdroid are two off the top of my head
Jan 05 01:29:14 <JakeWharton> there's a bunch
Jan 05 01:30:01 <JakeWharton> and with that, i'm back to work. adios
Jan 05 01:30:46 <TacticalJoke> You know what sucks about Android?
Jan 05 01:30:51 <TacticalJoke> The whole SMS timestamp thing.
Jan 05 01:31:29 <SimonVT> You're going to have to be more specific
Jan 05 01:32:06 <TacticalJoke> You have your Android phone off at 6am and someone texts you.  You turn it on at 9am and your phone simply states that it received the message at 9am.
Jan 05 01:32:21 <TacticalJoke> Even though most network providers deliver the "Sent: 6am" information to the phone.
Jan 05 01:32:25 <TacticalJoke> It just ignores that information.
Jan 05 01:32:46 <TacticalJoke> There's a bug open about this, but Google's not interested.
Jan 05 01:34:40 <TacticalJoke> Here's the bug, by the way:  http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2989
Jan 05 01:43:19 <TacticalJoke> Some new phones still have a menu button.
Jan 05 01:43:45 <TacticalJoke> e.g., Sony Xperia ones.
Jan 05 01:46:54 <leslie> I think the S3 too
Jan 05 01:47:23 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jan 05 01:48:07 <StingRay_> very sad that android has gone the way of on-screen soft keys
Jan 05 01:48:11 <KaiKai2> hmm
Jan 05 01:48:19 <KaiKai2> I wonder if there is a fix for that bug tacticaljoke
Jan 05 01:49:44 <KaiKai2> yup
Jan 05 01:49:44 <KaiKai2> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mattprecious.smsfix
Jan 05 01:50:33 <TacticalJoke> Oh, it's this:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.zweng.smssenttimefix
Jan 05 01:50:37 <TacticalJoke> That one's a little different.
Jan 05 01:50:46 <TacticalJoke> But it's kind of a hack.  It adds the timestamp after the text message, within the text.
Jan 05 01:51:18 <TacticalJoke> I use it, simply because it's the lesser evil, though I wonder why Google isn't fixing this.
Jan 05 01:51:21 <SimonVT> NOTE: There is one situation where SMS Time Fix is unable to fix your messages. If messages sent while your phone is turned off (or disconnected) show the time that your phone was turned on (connected), and you'd like it to show the time the message was actually sent, then SMS Time Fix will not solve your problem
Jan 05 01:51:23 <KaiKai2> from what i read on the bug
Jan 05 01:51:29 <KaiKai2> not putting setn time is by design
Jan 05 01:51:40 <KaiKai2> ahhh
Jan 05 01:51:49 <KaiKai2> so it basically doesnt do shit
Jan 05 01:51:56 <TacticalJoke> They could order by receieved time and show sent time (or show both).
Jan 05 01:52:09 <TacticalJoke> It's the one I linked to, KaiKai2.
Jan 05 01:52:13 <TacticalJoke> Your one is something else.
Jan 05 01:52:57 <KaiKai2> still based on SimonVT's comment
Jan 05 01:53:01 <KaiKai2> the app basically doesnt do much
Jan 05 01:53:21 <KaiKai2> normally sms are received 1 minute later tops
Jan 05 01:53:27 <KaiKai2> and only a couple few later if you dont have signal
Jan 05 01:53:39 <TacticalJoke> The one I linked to shows the sent time.
Jan 05 01:53:49 <KaiKai2> what most people want i believe is to see sent time even when phone is closed
Jan 05 01:53:50 <TacticalJoke> So, if your phone was off, you get to know when the SMS was sent.
Jan 05 01:54:02 <KaiKai2> look at SimonVT's comment
Jan 05 01:54:15 <TacticalJoke> KaiKai2, look at my link.  :)
Jan 05 01:54:19 <TacticalJoke> It's a different link from yours.
Jan 05 01:54:26 <TacticalJoke> You linked to a fix for a different issue.
Jan 05 01:54:45 <TacticalJoke> The app that fixes the issue in question is called SMS Sent Time.
Jan 05 01:55:05 <KaiKai2> bleh
Jan 05 01:55:07 <KaiKai2> i misread
Jan 05 01:55:08 <KaiKai2> my bad
Jan 05 01:55:19 <KaiKai2> i re-read it too, must've just gotten too confused over the names
Jan 05 01:58:32 <TacticalJoke> No worries.  You know, I'm kind of going off Android development now.
Jan 05 01:58:49 <TacticalJoke> Like, the fifth tutorial talks about downloading the Support Library.
Jan 05 01:59:05 <TacticalJoke> There's so much fragmentation here.
Jan 05 01:59:09 <TacticalJoke> It's messy.  I hate mess.
Jan 05 02:00:39 <platzhirsch> oh putting the findViewbyId method into the object fields itself was a bad idea, of course they are not created until super() of onCreate was called
Jan 05 02:02:53 <TacticalJoke> Why can't you call findViewById after calling super.onCreate?
Jan 05 02:03:06 <platzhirsch> TacticalJoke: that's what I do know
Jan 05 02:03:14 <platzhirsch> I do now*
Jan 05 02:03:54 <platzhirsch> with an ugly initialize() method setting a boolean inizialized to true
Jan 05 02:04:32 <TacticalJoke> I'm confused.  What is the problem here?
Jan 05 02:04:57 <platzhirsch> TacticalJoke: There is none, sorry for the confusion
Jan 05 02:05:20 <TacticalJoke> Oh.  lol.  I misread.
Jan 05 02:05:35 <platzhirsch> :)
Jan 05 02:06:14 <KaiKai2> TacticalJoke: you're giving up on android?
Jan 05 02:06:21 <TacticalJoke> Maybe.
Jan 05 02:08:05 <TacticalJoke> I might just be a user, happily consuming your apps.
Jan 05 02:08:11 <TacticalJoke> Complaining every now and then.
Jan 05 02:08:38 <TacticalJoke> Unaware of the monstrous complexity underpinning my everyday phone use.
Jan 05 02:09:02 <platzhirsch> I just read an article, Always create a Launcher activity http://www.blackmoonit.com/2010/02/android-always-create-launcher-activity/ is that reasonable?
Jan 05 02:09:42 <AmandaC> platzhirsch: it's from 2010
Jan 05 02:09:46 <Leeds> you should always create a launchable activity if... you want your app to be launchable?
Jan 05 02:10:00 <AmandaC> For things like widgets, it's just stupid, IMHO
Jan 05 02:10:40 <TacticalJoke> Let's say that I want to create a notepad-like app that has two main screens:  Tasks and Notes.  If I want the user to be able to change between the screens by swiping right or left, do I need to use the Android Support Library?
Jan 05 02:10:50 <platzhirsch> My app requires a piece of software which is run on a server functioning as an endpoint, hence the user has to configure the connection at the start, I guess it would make sense in this case
Jan 05 02:10:56 <TacticalJoke> My research suggests that I do.
Jan 05 02:10:59 <TacticalJoke> Which sucks.
Jan 05 02:12:15 <AmandaC> TacticalJoke: why are you so opposed to using libraries? First it's "It's not from Google! It might have bugs!" now you're bitching about needing one that comes from Google
Jan 05 02:12:28 <TacticalJoke> Am I right that I'd need it, though?
Jan 05 02:12:29 <TacticalJoke> Just checking.
Jan 05 02:12:34 <AmandaC> yes
Jan 05 02:12:38 <AmandaC> for 2.3
Jan 05 02:12:39 <TacticalJoke> Because it's messy.  It sets off my OCD.
Jan 05 02:12:41 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 05 02:12:58 <baconmania> Hey guys, I'm using android:configChanges="orientation|keyboardHidden" to save my activity's state on orientation change. What if I want to redraw my listview items with a special landscape layout, while still maintaining all state? Would I have to save all state manually?
Jan 05 02:13:04 <AmandaC> That's the whole point of ABS and the support library, to allow you to do stuff like that when you couldn't on older versions, without them
Jan 05 02:13:20 <SimonVT> You can just make your own view that allows you to swipe left and right
Jan 05 02:13:30 <AmandaC> Well, I guess you could, but you'd be re-implementing a monster just to spite external code
Jan 05 02:13:39 <TacticalJoke> I guess it would be complex?
Jan 05 02:13:46 <SimonVT> Or use something like viewswitcher I guess
Jan 05 02:14:45 <TacticalJoke> I guess they'd ideally be two Activities.
Jan 05 02:14:56 <SimonVT> ideally no
Jan 05 02:15:15 <TacticalJoke> ?
Jan 05 02:15:22 <TacticalJoke> I mean, that was what I was hoping.  lol
Jan 05 02:15:30 <TacticalJoke> They're two separate screens.
Jan 05 02:15:32 <SimonVT> Ideally they'd be fragments
Jan 05 02:15:45 <TacticalJoke> Two separate lists (Tasks versus Notes).
Jan 05 02:15:47 <SimonVT> If you're against libraries, they wont be
Jan 05 02:15:58 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 05 02:16:26 <TacticalJoke> Is it possible at all to have two different Activities that are swiped between?
Jan 05 02:16:31 <TacticalJoke> Even with libraries or whatever.
Jan 05 02:17:49 <AmandaC> no
Jan 05 02:17:57 <SimonVT> I have no idea
Jan 05 02:17:57 <AmandaC> Activities get exclusive control of the screen
Jan 05 02:18:07 <SimonVT> Activities in activities has been deprecated for a long time
Jan 05 02:18:13 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jan 05 02:18:29 <TacticalJoke> I kind of wanted these two 'screens' to be totally separate in terms of memory and everything.
Jan 05 02:18:37 <TacticalJoke> And in terms of being started/stopped/whatever.
Jan 05 02:18:55 <SimonVT> That's what fragments are
Jan 05 02:19:01 <SimonVT> kinda
Jan 05 02:19:07 <SimonVT> The started/stopped thing at least
Jan 05 02:19:14 <SimonVT> I don't know what the other part means
Jan 05 02:19:30 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 05 02:19:45 <AmandaC> I wouldn't be surprised if two activies in the same package would get grouped into the same physical dalvik VM, to be honest
Jan 05 02:20:49 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jan 05 02:21:34 <kevinb> generally your app has just one process. you can however specify android:process in the activity (or service) tag in the AndroidManifest to group activities into different processes but in practice you rarely want this
Jan 05 02:22:56 <AmandaC> kevinb: do two activites share the same UI thread or...?
Jan 05 02:23:02 <kevinb> yes
Jan 05 02:23:05 <AmandaC> huh
Jan 05 02:23:09 <AmandaC> didn't know that
Jan 05 02:23:29 <funkbox> what
Jan 05 02:23:57 <funkbox> most ui things are on the ui stuff
Jan 05 02:23:59 <kevinb> services also use the same main thread as activities, so if you have a "background" service doing a lot of work in the main thread it can lag the UI of your activity
Jan 05 02:25:43 <funkbox> in general doing anything is bad for performance
Jan 05 02:25:59 <JakeWharton> the most performant app is the one that doesn't exist
Jan 05 02:26:01 <funkbox> so one ought to try to do the least amount possible
Jan 05 02:26:04 <JakeWharton> - Lessons from funkbox
Jan 05 02:26:10 <funkbox> you goan inflate that view? that's  abad idea
Jan 05 02:26:24 <funkbox> gonna parse some JSON while the user is scrolling through that fancy list view? yeah that's a bad idea
Jan 05 02:27:01 <funkbox> JakeWharton: that's true as well
Jan 05 02:27:47 <AmandaC> funkbox: but... I want to embed a brainfuck VM in my app and write all my logic in that! :(
Jan 05 02:28:04 <funkbox> AmandaC: as long as you don't allocate memory or try to do anything
Jan 05 02:29:19 <funkbox> JakeWharton: any reason why viewpagerindicator does not allow arbitrary views for tabs?
Jan 05 02:29:31 <funkbox> i've written one that does and i've been debating a pull request
Jan 05 02:30:10 <JakeWharton> how would you implement it?
Jan 05 02:30:16 <JakeWharton> PagerAdapter's getTitle method returns a String
Jan 05 02:30:21 <JakeWharton> wanted to keep it simple, i suppose
Jan 05 02:30:29 <funkbox> ah
Jan 05 02:45:59 <canadiancow> <funkbox> most ui things are on the ui stuff
Jan 05 02:46:00 <canadiancow> wat
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