**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:59 2013
Jan 09 03:00:12 <g00s> http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/the-rise-and-fall-of-languages-in-2012/240145800
Jan 09 03:00:21 <g00s> "However, I think the greater truth is that the language is in decline in its traditional settings, but that the popularity of Android has made up for the shortfall."
Jan 09 03:00:27 <g00s> aww, shit
Jan 09 03:00:50 <g00s> (about Java)
Jan 09 03:01:29 <p_l> what happened, probably, is .NET having more velocity than Java stuff as long as you're willing to run only on windows
Jan 09 03:01:34 <jasta> how Objc exists in any form is baffling to me
Jan 09 03:01:35 <jasta> :)
Jan 09 03:01:44 <p_l> jasta: it's not that bad
Jan 09 03:01:56 <p_l> better than C++
Jan 09 03:02:18 <p_l> meanwhile Qualcomm robbed me of sleep
Jan 09 03:02:42 <jasta> p_l: perl is better than C++
Jan 09 03:03:06 <p_l> a bit
Jan 09 03:03:09 <jasta> no, hehe, not true, but it did tickle me to say :)
Jan 09 03:03:32 <p_l> perl is in some ways very similar in its failings to C++ :P
Jan 09 03:03:51 <Leeds> perl is dead - minecraft confirms it
Jan 09 03:04:18 <p_l> TIMTOWTDI etc. :)
Jan 09 03:04:34 <pragma-> I use perl all the time.
Jan 09 03:04:35 <p_l> Leeds: ... dafuq?
Jan 09 03:04:43 <pragma-> minecraft sucks.
Jan 09 03:04:55 <p_l> mind you, you aren't getting a flat what from me. Qualcomm used up my quota
Jan 09 03:05:02 <Leeds> please... someone got that reference?
Jan 09 03:05:19 <p_l> Leeds: I don't play minecraft (it's vastly inferior to DF, after all)
Jan 09 03:06:17 <Leeds> no?  retro-slashdot-reference?
Jan 09 03:06:26 <pragma-> people still read slashdot?
Jan 09 03:06:44 <Leeds> no
Jan 09 03:07:44 <Leeds> but back when they did, there was a running gag whenever something negative was posted that "X is dead/dying - netcraft confirms it!"
Jan 09 03:07:45 <jasta> oh god
Jan 09 03:07:55 <jasta> i still have slashdot on my google reader and it kills me every day seeing the headlines
Jan 09 03:08:22 <jasta> it's such rotten garbage now-a-days.
Jan 09 03:08:32 <p_l> Leeds: ahhh, netcraft
Jan 09 03:08:34 <jasta> just plain bad journalism.
Jan 09 03:08:49 <p_l> sorry, minecraft overrode possible understanding ;P
Jan 09 03:08:54 <Leeds> jasta: it was never *good* journalism, but at least it was community at one point
Jan 09 03:09:37 <Leeds> anyway, sorry, call that a failed attempt at a punny retro-reference
Jan 09 03:10:43 <jasta> Leeds: well yeah, but it's so bad that even lay persons can detect flaws or badly summarized articles
Jan 09 03:10:52 <jasta> it's so common place i'd say it's happenign on just about every article anymore
Jan 09 03:11:01 <Leeds> it's been a zombie site for a long long time
Jan 09 03:11:06 <jasta> zombie?
Jan 09 03:11:21 <jasta> how so?
Jan 09 03:11:38 <jasta> oh, and in completely unrelated news, the walking dead game is really great.  you guys have to buy it.
Jan 09 03:11:44 <p_l> badly summarized? They ever did something more than crappy misunderstood run-on sentence?
Jan 09 03:11:48 <jasta> romain tweeted about it a little while ago and damn he was right
Jan 09 03:12:07 <Leeds> dead site still walking, with no sign of any direction or intelligence behind it
Jan 09 03:12:27 <p_l> I'm thinking of blowing the gaming budget on Bard's Tales, and few other things
Jan 09 03:12:29 <g00s> i think almost all social media suffers the same fate
Jan 09 03:12:34 <g00s> reddit now, HN next
Jan 09 03:12:56 <p_l> g00s: HN is already past that in a very specific way
Jan 09 03:14:37 <jasta> yeah HN fizzled out fast :)
Jan 09 03:15:10 <Leeds> difference is that HN isn't trying to be a standalone commercially-viable site
Jan 09 03:39:42 <Ologn> I never really read HN before November
Jan 09 03:40:04 <Ologn> HN did get me to check out EC2 and things like that which was good...
Jan 09 03:46:43 <Jak_o_Shadows1> I'm using this http://reecon.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/uploading-files-to-http-server-using-post-android-sdk/ , to upload a database. However, my server reports the content-type as application/x-www-form-urlencoded , and fails, saying Invalid boundary in multipart form: '' (NB, server is in twisted python, but the content-type should be not that).
Jan 09 04:00:11 <cincinnatus> Unlike intents, shared preferences don't allow serialized objects. Is it an anti-pattern to go ahead and serialize one - and store it as a string?
Jan 09 04:01:44 <g00s> is java Serialization still slow these days on dvm ?
Jan 09 04:02:21 <g00s> one of those things, that was a big topic long ago - not sure if it matters much any more
Jan 09 04:06:43 <g00s> i wonder if anyone stuffs JSON into SharedPrefs
Jan 09 04:06:55 <g00s> sounds kinda cheesy maybe
Jan 09 04:13:17 <g00s> well, i'm sure i'll have plenty more bad ideas before the week is up ;)
Jan 09 04:19:50 <KaosMcRage> Alright, I give up… is there some trick to making android:windowSoftInputMode="adjustPan" actually work? I have a pretty simple RelativeLayout activity with a handful of widgets on it, and when the soft keyboard comes up, it covers the bottom half of the view. Pretty common problem, from what I've discovered, but all the solutions tend to point to either adjustPan and/or some sort of ScrollView wrapper. None of those seem to do anything
Jan 09 04:19:50 <KaosMcRage>  whatsoever.
Jan 09 04:20:43 <bmwracer0> I'm trying to test in-app billing with an unpublished app. I'm getting an "item not found" error dialog from Google Play. Do I just need to wait a little while for the item to show up?
Jan 09 04:24:20 <Trinity> bmwracer0: save it as a draft make sure its signed and make sure your items on the unpublished apk are published
Jan 09 04:25:01 <Trinity> also make sure the apk youre running on your device is the same signed on which youve saved on dec console
Jan 09 04:25:07 <Trinity> one*
Jan 09 04:25:27 <bmwracer0> Trinity: Yeah it's the same signed apk. You mean put the item into the "to be activated" state?
Jan 09 04:25:32 <Trinity> yes
Jan 09 04:25:49 <Trinity> check over productId, and make sure the device youre using is a test account
Jan 09 04:28:01 <Da_Rhyno> Sons of bitches... Sorry, but I can't stand people who are given something, and then criticize the person who gave it to them.
Jan 09 04:28:35 <Trinity> Da_Rhyno: ?
Jan 09 04:29:15 <Da_Rhyno> There's this one guy working on all the FreeBASIC compiler and libraries by himself, a guy asks for a recent build of it (one newer than the most stable build).
Jan 09 04:30:37 <Da_Rhyno> So the coder gives him what he asked for. Well, it's not in a standalone zip, rather an installer. He starts complaining about it saying it's the "idiot's way of doing things" and goes on to say he won't use it.
Jan 09 04:31:26 <bmwracer0> Trinity: in draft, same apk in both Play and on device (tried with both the developer account and another account which is in the testers list), item is in "Active" state. The id is "ad_free" in Play, as well as in the request in my activity. Any other ideas?
Jan 09 04:31:59 <cincinnatus> it looks like the activity gets paused and recreated when the phone screen is flipped...
Jan 09 04:32:10 <Trinity> cincinnatus: activityy lifecylce
Jan 09 04:32:18 <Da_Rhyno> cincinnatus - hold up
Jan 09 04:32:27 <Trinity> bmwracer0: wait a couple of minutes up to an hour or two
Jan 09 04:32:39 <Trinity> bmwracer0: google billing always has shit errors rofl
Jan 09 04:32:42 <bmwracer0> alright, I'm sure I'll let you know :P
Jan 09 04:32:43 <Da_Rhyno> cincinnatus - Go into your manifest file.
Jan 09 04:32:50 <Da_Rhyno> the xml one
Jan 09 04:32:55 <Da_Rhyno> Let me know when you're there.
Jan 09 04:33:08 <Trinity> bmwraer0: if you even wanted to expand to client > google > client > remote server
Jan 09 04:33:17 <Trinity> let me know, its much secure and i'm working on a library for that
Jan 09 04:34:30 <cincinnatus> Da_Rhyno: I'm there
Jan 09 04:34:38 <cincinnatus> I have all my activities
Jan 09 04:35:10 <Trinity> cincinnatus: whats your problem?
Jan 09 04:35:31 <Da_Rhyno> In your <activity> element,
Jan 09 04:35:46 <cincinnatus> well... essentially things get wiped off the map. It gets reloaded from scratch.
Jan 09 04:35:50 <cincinnatus> some of my state includes objects
Jan 09 04:35:51 <Da_Rhyno> Do you see something called android:configChanges?
Jan 09 04:36:09 <cincinnatus> no, no configchanges
Jan 09 04:36:12 <Da_Rhyno> Okay
Jan 09 04:36:26 <Da_Rhyno> well, in your activity element, put this:
Jan 09 04:36:43 <Da_Rhyno> android:configChanges="orientation"
Jan 09 04:36:52 <Da_Rhyno> And see if that fixes it
Jan 09 04:37:03 <cincinnatus> the documentation says it should be used as a last resort
Jan 09 04:37:14 <Trinity> cincinnatus: you can set the activity's orientation in androidmanifest like da_rhyno suggested, but is this for a game?
Jan 09 04:37:24 <bmwracer0> Trinity: what do you mean? like sending the purchase verification to a server I own?
Jan 09 04:37:27 <cincinnatus> no, it's a map app
Jan 09 04:37:32 <Trinity> bmwracer0: yea
Jan 09 04:37:43 <bmwracer0> ah okay. right now I'm just doing something to disable ads
Jan 09 04:37:52 <Trinity> bmwracer0: what happens with googles sdk for inappbilling, its relatively easy to hack
Jan 09 04:37:55 <Da_Rhyno> Well, it's a way to avert the state change re-creating the app
Jan 09 04:37:59 <cincinnatus> so I would have to save things like navigation parameters (origin, destination, etc) in shared prefs
Jan 09 04:38:03 <Trinity> all data verification and nonce generation is done client sided
Jan 09 04:38:08 <bmwracer0> Trinity: even v3
Jan 09 04:38:09 <bmwracer0> ?
Jan 09 04:38:18 <Trinity> bmwracer0: from what i've read of it yes.
Jan 09 04:38:33 <cincinnatus> Da_Rhyno: But wouldn't it prevent the automatic rescaling as well?
Jan 09 04:38:48 <Trinity> bmwracer0: but for just disabling ads i believe v3 would be fine for recording the transactions
Jan 09 04:38:50 <Da_Rhyno> I don't think so.
Jan 09 04:39:10 <Da_Rhyno> That's handled by android:screenOrientation iirc.
Jan 09 04:39:34 <Da_Rhyno> Do you have a device you can test it out with?
Jan 09 04:39:36 <cincinnatus> still, what's the standard way of persisting state that consists of objects? I might have other scenarios too
Jan 09 04:39:41 <Trinity> bmwracer0: keep in mind those who know how to hack it will always be less than those who might purchase it. if your app becomes relatively popular and people start spreading the hack online then thats when you have a problem. but otherwise i think you'd be fine
Jan 09 04:39:45 <cincinnatus> like invoking another activity via intent and then coming back
Jan 09 04:39:55 <Trinity> cincinnatus: can't you reload in onResume?
Jan 09 04:40:15 <Da_Rhyno> You *could* try saving the data as an asset
Jan 09 04:40:23 <Trinity> or onRestart()
Jan 09 04:40:35 <Da_Rhyno> and then reloading it, if it doesn't reload in onResume
Jan 09 04:41:27 <Trinity> i thought it was standard protocol to reload everything in onResume and onRestart
Jan 09 04:41:28 <bmwracer0> Trinity: right, that's what I figured
Jan 09 04:43:07 <Da_Rhyno> In onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState), what does that parameter hold?
Jan 09 04:43:36 <Da_Rhyno> I thought it contained stored data from a previously closed instance of it's Activity.
Jan 09 04:44:02 <Trinity> Da_Rhyno: I believe you can save directly to that bundle in onPause/whatever
Jan 09 04:44:32 <Trinity> not sure if you lose it if your application gets killed though
Jan 09 04:44:55 <Da_Rhyno> Trinity - Yeah. In this book I've been reading, though, it says generally you save things as assets. Maybe it does lose it after the app gets killed.
Jan 09 04:45:42 <Da_Rhyno> But that's strange, judging that onCreate comes up /before/ onRestart or onResume in the Activity Life Cycle
Jan 09 04:45:45 <Trinity> in my experience i've always used either outputstream or preferences
Jan 09 04:45:50 <Da_Rhyno> Ah
Jan 09 04:46:20 <Trinity> but really, it depends on your applications. they all have their own benefits
Jan 09 04:46:26 <Da_Rhyno> yeah
Jan 09 04:46:41 <Trinity> outputstream sort of ensures that if your application gets removed and then the user reinstalled it they would keep their data
Jan 09 04:46:48 <Trinity> unless they explicably deleted the data for that application
Jan 09 04:53:16 <wolfier> Hi, anyone care to answer a question about WakeLocks?
Jan 09 04:53:46 <Trinity> shoot
Jan 09 04:54:14 <wolfier> So, I need to keep the CPU awake in an application where the service and the front end are split into 2 processes with android:process
Jan 09 04:54:30 <Trinity> thast what wakelock is for
Jan 09 04:54:40 <wolfier> question is...
Jan 09 04:54:55 <wolfier> can I acquire a wakelock in one process and then release it in another process?
Jan 09 04:55:41 <wolfier> even if the wakelock is static, my understanding is if run under different process, they'll be under different DalvikVM thus different classloaders, thus these will be different wakelocks?
Jan 09 04:57:57 <Trinity> I believe you only need one instance of wakelock
Jan 09 04:58:07 <Trinity> and as long as the activity that holds it doesnt die
Jan 09 04:58:10 <wolfier> so...process A acquires wakelock, fires intent to start service B which runs in another process.  Can I then release the wake lock inside the service thread?
Jan 09 04:58:12 <Trinity> its fine
Jan 09 04:58:40 <Trinity> yes you can, activity = ui, service = ui
Jan 09 04:58:50 <Trinity> both are on the UI lifecycle
Jan 09 04:59:05 <wolfier> but the service is explicitly specified to be run in another process
Jan 09 04:59:21 <KaosMcRage> anyone got a minute to glance at an Activity for me and tell me why it won't resize or pan when the soft keyboard comes up?
Jan 09 04:59:24 <wolfier> i guess the question is...
Jan 09 04:59:43 <wolfier> if I call PowerManager.newWakeLock with identical parameters, will I get the same wakelock?  Hm...
Jan 09 05:00:15 <Trinity> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/PowerManager.html#newWakeLock%28int,%20java.lang.String%29
Jan 09 05:00:24 <Trinity> "Creates a new wake lock with the specified level and flags. "
Jan 09 05:00:38 <bmwracer0> Trinity: now I'm getting the following error from Play: "error retrieving information from server. RPC:S-5:AEC-0"
Jan 09 05:00:59 <Trinity> bmwracer: what i meant by google billing is a piece of shit
Jan 09 05:01:13 <wolfier> the impression from the API doc is that the wakelocks will be different between processes thus there is no way of transferring
Jan 09 05:01:27 <Trinity> bmwracer: when i first started with billing it took me 20 days for google to solve an identical error
Jan 09 05:01:50 <Trinity> bmwracer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI20hseZsZc
Jan 09 05:01:56 <wolfier> but just to make sure - I've seen situations the docs had been a bit inaccurate :)
Jan 09 05:02:08 <wolfier> thanks anyway...
Jan 09 05:02:19 <Trinity> wolfier: i'd recommend to just run some tests with logcat
Jan 09 05:02:27 <wolfier> that's a good idea
Jan 09 05:03:39 <wolfier> thanks, gonna try this out..
Jan 09 05:05:58 <bmwracer0> Trinity: I can download other stuff from the market, etc. It's just when accessing my items in play
Jan 09 05:06:04 <bmwracer0> via the api
Jan 09 05:07:46 <Trinity> bmwracer0: i dont know what to tell you man, with billing its quite unpredictable
Jan 09 05:07:50 <Trinity> what example are you using?
Jan 09 05:08:01 <bmwracer0> the TrivialDrive and my own app
Jan 09 05:08:15 <Trinity> hmm, have you added billing to manifest?
Jan 09 05:08:27 <bmwracer0> yeppers
Jan 09 05:08:28 <Trinity> maybe aidl?
Jan 09 05:08:49 <bmwracer0> it's in both
Jan 09 05:08:56 <bmwracer0> I don't think I'd have gotten this far without it
Jan 09 05:09:48 <Trinity> try, https://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/billing_testing.html
Jan 09 05:09:51 <Trinity> the last portion
Jan 09 05:10:11 <Trinity> what helped fix my problem was I soomehow found a support thing where i can e-mail google
Jan 09 05:10:20 <Trinity> and luckily for me they called me in 5 minutes and i reported the problem
Jan 09 05:10:33 <Trinity> they told me it was a problem with their servers, my device, and my location or something like that
Jan 09 05:10:59 <Trinity> after a couple of days it fixed itself
Jan 09 05:12:20 <bmwracer0> got a link to that?
Jan 09 05:12:33 <Trinity> sorry man, i cant find it anymore =[
Jan 09 05:12:41 <Trinity> it most likely got closed or something
Jan 09 05:18:43 <bmwracer0> Trinity: I'm enraged :P The TrivialDrive demo app seems to be working, my app isn't ha
Jan 09 05:19:25 <Trinity> hmm, what does logcat give?
Jan 09 05:19:29 <Trinity> mind pasting it to pastebin?
Jan 09 05:20:03 <bmwracer0> I'm still getting that RPC garbage on my own app
Jan 09 05:21:04 <Trinity> so nothing in the logcat?
Jan 09 05:21:15 <bmwracer0> check your pms
Jan 09 05:21:50 <Trinity> kk
Jan 09 05:22:52 <skyred> for native android app, should it POST to server with aplication/json or application/x-www-form-urlencoded,  which is more efficient?
Jan 09 05:30:38 <Trinity> does anyone know if google in app billing still works when you publish to appbrain or amazon>
Jan 09 05:36:09 <Jak_o_Shadows> I'm using this http://reecon.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/uploading-files-to-http-server-using-post-android-sdk/ , to upload a database. However, my server reports the content-type as application/x-www-form-urlencoded , and fails, saying Invalid boundary in multipart form: '' (NB, server is in twisted python, but the content-type should be not that).
Jan 09 05:36:32 <RaMcHiP> Hey canadian are you still here?
Jan 09 05:46:10 <stiggpwnz> good morning : )
Jan 09 05:54:48 <hip2p> Is there a way to fade an activity to grey.. almost like a half-opaque screen has been placed on top of the activity screen so nothing can be clicked? It would look similar to when a progressDialog appears, except I don't want any dialogs.
Jan 09 06:10:36 <stiggpwnz> hip2p: I've been using transparent dialogs for this
Jan 09 06:12:28 <stiggpwnz> hip2p: you can do it like this: https://github.com/adelnizamutdinov/Vibes/blob/master/src/com/stiggpwnz/vibes/fragments/TutorialFragment.java#L40-L56
Jan 09 06:13:05 <hip2p> thanks, stiggpwnz
Jan 09 07:25:23 <Jak_o_Shadows> bloody typos. I did boundary as bondary
Jan 09 07:28:04 <hip2p> The good part is you caught it.
Jan 09 07:28:54 <Jak_o_Shadows> Had to go 3 or 4 levels deep into the standard python/twisted library to catch it. (The typo was in the android project though)
Jan 09 07:58:27 <NightRave> Night_Raven
Jan 09 07:58:30 <NightRave> damn it
Jan 09 07:59:16 <Takis_GR> hello. I have LG Optinus One (P500) with Oxygen rom. How can install official LG rom???
Jan 09 08:00:08 <Jak_o_Shadows> ./join #android-root . This channel is for android appication development
Jan 09 08:02:17 <deepy> Someone remind me to write a service when I get back
Jan 09 08:02:43 <Night_Raven> deepy, write a service that will remind you  to write a service
Jan 09 08:02:51 <m1hael> hi, anybody already using the google play private channels for distributing apps. we are trying to set it up and uploaded an app to the private channel but getting HTTP 500 when selecting the channel in the android device. anybody any xp?
Jan 09 08:15:14 <deepy> NightRavenXS: I don't know how to write a service but that actually sounds useful
Jan 09 08:15:23 <deepy> so I'll skip that and just make it fetch RSS or something like that
Jan 09 08:16:47 <NightRavenXS> you just gave me an app idea :D
Jan 09 08:34:42 <Zharf> my app stats didn't update yesterday at all :o
Jan 09 08:45:01 <deepy> I was trying to get an ActionBar into my app
Jan 09 08:45:17 <deepy> But then I managed to do what I wanted to do with the menu button
Jan 09 08:52:27 <StingRay_> personally I dont like the concept of the android design guidelines
Jan 09 08:52:43 <StingRay_> it will make most apps all look and feel the same
Jan 09 08:52:52 <StingRay_> not sure I like that at all :)
Jan 09 08:53:20 <Zharf> I hate apps that don't behave as expected
Jan 09 08:53:27 <StingRay_> i agree
Jan 09 08:53:41 <Zharf> which the guidelines helps to deal with, if people follow them
Jan 09 08:53:47 <StingRay_> but expectation is not a path to a uniform design
Jan 09 08:54:23 <StingRay_> there are many elements of the guidelines that from a UI design stand are a bit....   well....
Jan 09 08:54:30 <StingRay_> backward
Jan 09 08:54:37 <Zharf> most people who don't follow the guidelines just fuck up their application trying to do an iOS copy
Jan 09 08:55:06 <Zharf> but they're guidelines, not rules obviously ;)
Jan 09 08:55:16 <StingRay_> their choice to attempt a copy I guess
Jan 09 08:55:18 <Zharf> I think it's more useful for people who don't know how android works
Jan 09 08:55:26 <Jak_o_Shadows> Unless it's a game, use standard stuff
Jan 09 08:55:36 <StingRay_> but then again, there are things that iOS does that are simple yet far beyond android
Jan 09 08:55:38 <Zharf> every iOS copy just fails on android
Jan 09 08:55:49 <Jak_o_Shadows> Most of the upnp apps do that, and look lousy
Jan 09 09:00:03 <g00s> i think its best to follow the design guidelines, especially for navigation
Jan 09 09:05:53 <Zharf> look & feel is different than that of course
Jan 09 09:06:23 <Zharf> but I'm sure there's some exceptions where the guidelines won't work very well
Jan 09 09:06:31 <Zharf> but I think it can be risky business
Jan 09 09:08:02 <StingRay_> risky if you haven't had experience in such things
Jan 09 09:08:16 <Zharf> right
Jan 09 09:08:52 <Zharf> you have to know what you're doing and how the platform behaves, not just assume it's just like iOS, like a lot of clients I've interacted with seem to do
Jan 09 09:09:31 <g00s> otoh, there are some design trends that transcend platform, such as "content is the interface"
Jan 09 09:09:54 <g00s> i guess its like anything, you can break the rules once you know them :D
Jan 09 09:10:04 <g00s> and do it with data to back up your decision
Jan 09 09:10:20 <belgianguy> err, is it 'okay' to use static functions on the Java side on things but then after the JNI translation have these methods call regular functions?
Jan 09 09:10:24 <belgianguy> in C++?
Jan 09 09:10:29 <g00s> never assume users have the same preferences as we do
Jan 09 09:10:35 <g00s> (whether dev or designer)
Jan 09 09:11:24 <belgianguy> the functions at the C++ side aren't even in a class, so I presume that makes them global?
Jan 09 09:12:06 <Zharf> no that makes them free
Jan 09 09:12:11 <belgianguy> one sets up the graphical environment (OpenGL ES C++) and the other is the step() function to draw it
Jan 09 09:12:18 <tagrudev> hello peeps, what is the approach on supporting multiple languages in your android app ?
Jan 09 09:12:23 <belgianguy> Zharf: free?
Jan 09 09:12:32 <Zharf> non-member functions in c++ are called free functions
Jan 09 09:13:12 <belgianguy> Zharf: ah, good! :) learned something already
Jan 09 09:13:12 <Zharf> but I don't understand your question
Jan 09 09:13:49 <belgianguy> Zharf: I'm adapting an Android project to use another c++ lib, but where I first just drew a triangle, I now need to keep state
Jan 09 09:13:57 <belgianguy> eg have members that will keep said state
Jan 09 09:14:14 <Zharf> you have static methods in a java class that you call from c++ and you want to call the non-static methods from the static ones?
Jan 09 09:14:26 <belgianguy> I call the c++ from Java
Jan 09 09:14:33 <belgianguy> Java > JNI > C++
Jan 09 09:14:58 <belgianguy> static render() -> JNICALL blah blah render() -> render()
Jan 09 09:15:12 <Zharf> ok so what's the problem?
Jan 09 09:15:32 <belgianguy> now these C++ functions are free functions, which can't save state
Jan 09 09:15:42 <belgianguy> so I should refactor them to live in a class
Jan 09 09:15:52 <belgianguy> which I then can assign members
Jan 09 09:16:09 <belgianguy> and use those members in the init() and step() functions
Jan 09 09:16:29 <Zharf> you'll need an instance to call those functions on
Jan 09 09:16:45 <belgianguy> Zharf: indeed, but I don't know where I need to create it
Jan 09 09:17:17 <belgianguy> in the JNI call to init();?
Jan 09 09:18:02 <Zharf> you can make the java call create it and return the pointer to java (as long) so the java can pass it along, or make it a singleton or something
Jan 09 09:20:26 <belgianguy> hmm yeah, I guess a Singelton would be the easiest to make sure it's visible to all c++ classes
Jan 09 09:20:49 <belgianguy> what would be the benefit of returning a pointer (long) to Java?
Jan 09 09:20:59 <Zharf> you can have multiple instances
Jan 09 09:23:48 <belgianguy> so I'd best make a Core singleton
Jan 09 09:24:15 <belgianguy> which I'll then give an Core->getInstance()->init() and Core->getInstance() render
Jan 09 09:24:38 <belgianguy> and as the singleton isn't static, I can issue it members, right?
Jan 09 09:26:09 <Zharf> singleton is just an object which will have only one instance ever
Jan 09 09:26:17 <Zharf> and you don't need pointers to implement it
Jan 09 09:27:24 <Jak_o_Shadows> by default, is the sqlite databases encrypted?
Jan 09 09:27:36 <Maurits_> nope
Jan 09 09:27:49 <Maurits_> wouldn't do much good anyway
Jan 09 09:28:24 <Jak_o_Shadows> hmm, i think my uploading via form-multipost isnt' working well then.
Jan 09 09:28:41 <Maurits_> since you have to store the decryption key on the device, making decryption trivial
Jan 09 09:28:52 <Leeds> Maurits_: what about encrypting the key? ;)
Jan 09 09:29:04 <Maurits_> what about encrypting the key of the key!? ;)
Jan 09 09:29:11 <JuiceSSH> with rot-26
Jan 09 09:29:22 <JuiceSSH> That's gotta be secure right?
Jan 09 09:29:23 <Leeds> double-rot-26 is stronger
Jan 09 09:36:17 <Jak_o_Shadows> hmm, i can't pull a database off a virtual device
Jan 09 09:38:12 <g00s> Leeds: anything from CES catch your eye? only thing I found exciting was the lilliputian nectar
Jan 09 09:38:27 <g00s> but, i didn't read much about the show
Jan 09 09:38:28 <NightRavenXS> Xperia Z?
Jan 09 09:38:36 <NightRavenXS> neither did I
Jan 09 09:38:45 <g00s> yeah, dust and water resistant - nice
Jan 09 09:38:48 <NightRavenXS> but XZ is powerful and it's completely water resistant
Jan 09 09:39:11 <NightRavenXS> g00s, even Tegra 4 didn't catch your eye?
Jan 09 09:39:50 <g00s> hmm, we have to compare it to new stuff from qualcomm
Jan 09 09:39:58 <g00s> not sure who wins
Jan 09 09:40:13 <g00s> i think again they dont have LTE on chip
Jan 09 09:40:29 <g00s> so, again , more power for their solution because you need a separate chip
Jan 09 09:41:13 <g00s> meanwhile, seems like Intel was really laying it on thick with some new bogus marketing numbers
Jan 09 09:41:28 <g00s> again, will have to see the real benchmarks ;)
Jan 09 09:41:54 <g00s> there was a 24 inch android monitor
Jan 09 09:42:02 <belgianguy> god Eclipse is such a pos
Jan 09 09:42:19 <NightRavenXS> belgianguy, pos?
Jan 09 09:42:22 <belgianguy> annoying me with errors which aren't errors, just its inability to correctly identify includes
Jan 09 09:42:34 <NightRavenXS> having problems with R?
Jan 09 09:42:37 <NightRavenXS> :D
Jan 09 09:42:43 <belgianguy> NightRavenXS: expletives, no C++
Jan 09 09:42:43 <something15525> it seems to me like google's android source uses git, yet its not a git repository? I'm trying to fork it into a github repo and keep all of the previous commits....
Jan 09 09:42:50 <something15525> yet half of the repos i need aren't located on github.com/android, and I don't know how to fork from google source?
Jan 09 09:43:01 <something15525> wondering if anybody knew how?
Jan 09 09:43:07 <squ> baseline align does not work when two elements does not have same parent?
Jan 09 09:48:23 <Maurits_> something15525: might want to start at http://source.android.com/source/index.html
Jan 09 09:49:03 <something15525> Maurits_: lol i know how to repo init and such
Jan 09 09:49:25 <something15525> Maurits_: but i want to know how to fork specific repos from AOSP into a git repo
Jan 09 10:02:05 <deepy> I made a custom dialog with an EditText and two buttons, when I click on one of the buttons I want to access the value entered
Jan 09 10:02:26 <ali__> I'm using ABS in my application and calling setTitle on ActionMode does not lead to any change in the action bar title
Jan 09 10:02:27 <ali__> any ideas?
Jan 09 10:02:45 <deepy> Judging from Google I need to journey to mount doom and back and everyone seems to suggest I go to Norway instead. How would I solve this and why isn't it just giving stuff as arguments to onClick?
Jan 09 10:03:39 <navlelo_> deepy: this is covered in the very first tutorial on the android site
Jan 09 10:08:09 <Zuarko> hi everyone
Jan 09 10:08:49 <Zuarko> I have a spinner that depending on the element selected changes the adapter in a listview
Jan 09 10:09:28 <Zuarko> the elements in the listview have a "self-delete" button, so they disappear from the view and the adapter (remove method in the adapter) and they do so
Jan 09 10:09:38 <deepy> Apart from the "why isn't it an arg" part I feel kinda silly now. but it does give me a NullPointerException without me having any good clue on why
Jan 09 10:09:57 <Zuarko> but when changing the selection in the spinner and getting back to the adapter where something has been deleted it will appear again
Jan 09 10:10:04 <Zuarko> any clue about this?
Jan 09 10:28:47 <BrixSat> Hey
Jan 09 10:29:03 <BrixSat> i found that my nexus 7 has no nativ support for divx or xvid, how do i add it?
Jan 09 10:29:53 <Ge0rG> BrixSat: write new libraries for the GPU / video accelerator (or just compile libxvid for the CPU and use it in your player, or just download Daroon)
Jan 09 10:30:52 <BrixSat> Ge0rG:  i use the native player encapsulated in an app, can i still use the compiled in the libxvid?
Jan 09 10:31:02 <Ge0rG> BrixSat: don't think so
Jan 09 10:31:24 <Ge0rG> I am not aware of means to extend the native video player with decoder libraries; but then again I did not look into it
Jan 09 10:31:30 <Leeds> I think third-party media players mainly fall back to ffmpeg for unsupported codecs
Jan 09 10:31:42 <Ge0rG> BrixSat: typically the supported video formats are dictated by the platform drivers
Jan 09 10:31:56 <p_l> well, VPlayer does use ffmpeg. Dunno about others
Jan 09 10:31:58 <Ge0rG> probably so, yes
Jan 09 10:32:28 <BrixSat> humm any one of thoose players that have embeded codecs is open source?
Jan 09 10:33:05 <Leeds> typically, their ffmpeg port/implementation is open, but their UI etc. isn't
Jan 09 10:33:23 <Ge0rG> or the developers just don't care
Jan 09 10:33:28 <Ge0rG> happens often enough
Jan 09 10:33:38 <BrixSat> i would just want the player it self the ui is not an issue
Jan 09 10:35:40 <Leeds> https://sites.google.com/site/mxvpen/ffmpeg
Jan 09 10:35:41 <BrixSat> all the examples i saw use MediaPlayer.create(...) wich will lead me to the same point
Jan 09 10:36:03 <valgrind> anyone knows some android lib that lets you cartoonize a given picture?
Jan 09 10:36:06 <deebo> just install vlc
Jan 09 10:36:48 <BrixSat> deebo:  vlc will play the videos not be a video player inside my app
Jan 09 10:37:14 <BrixSat> Leeds:  ive been there and that is " How to build FFmpeg for MX Player " for mx player, not the mxplayer it self
Jan 09 10:37:21 <belgianguy> ofcourse when I'm in the midst of an super complex debugging session, Eclipse crashed
Jan 09 10:37:24 * belgianguy sighs
Jan 09 10:37:54 <Leeds> BrixSat: correct - as I said, that's the open source ffmpeg library they use, not their proprietary UI etc... you get to take that ffmpeg library and embed it in your own app
Jan 09 10:38:06 <deepy> Fun fun fun!
Jan 09 10:38:07 <BrixSat> yes i know :(
Jan 09 10:38:13 <valgrind> why dont you build something yourself based on gstereamer?
Jan 09 10:38:24 <BrixSat> but if they have done it... i was expecting some generous sould would make it open source
Jan 09 10:38:44 <BrixSat> valgrind:  will look into it
Jan 09 10:38:49 <Leeds> no, it's quite possible that nobody has written your app for you
Jan 09 10:38:58 <Ge0rG> maybe there is some open source video player already...
Jan 09 10:39:26 <Leeds> also, of course, as I said on #android - xvid is a pretty old codec nowadays anyway, so if you're planning to play your own video you should be looking at newer codecs
Jan 09 10:40:24 <valgrind> not sure if there's some kind of free video player that you can embed, but actually you can create your own based on gstreamer, as i was saying... which is actually used by many many well known players
Jan 09 10:41:24 <valgrind> it is actualy a vergy good idea for a project to dev a small simple player based on it
Jan 09 10:42:40 <BrixSat> https://github.com/commonsguy/vidtry iv found one here
Jan 09 10:43:32 <Ge0rG> what is the manifest syntax to say that my app is using bluetooth, but does not depend on it being there?
Jan 09 10:44:56 <Leeds> Ge0rG: uses-feature required="false"
Jan 09 10:45:25 <Ge0rG> Leeds: is the BT uses-feature added implicitly if I request android.permission.BLUETOOTH?
Jan 09 10:45:39 <Leeds> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-element.html#bt-permission-handling
Jan 09 10:45:50 <Ge0rG> Leeds: thanks
Jan 09 10:46:24 <squ> how to align element relative to 2nd element center, like alignTop, or layout_below/above
Jan 09 10:46:34 <valgrind> gstreamer for Android http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-android.html
Jan 09 10:48:22 <squ> baseline align does not work when two elements does not have same parent
Jan 09 10:48:59 <Leeds> valgrind: that is for OS builders who want to replace Android's existing media framework with gstreamer - not useful for your typical app developer
Jan 09 10:49:52 <Leeds> http://docs.gstreamer.com/display/GstSDK/Installing+for+Android+development is likely to be more useful
Jan 09 10:50:18 <valgrind> i was checking that link rightnow
Jan 09 10:54:54 <thepoosh> is it possible to test for network connectivity from a service instead of a Broadcast Reciever?
Jan 09 10:58:17 <BrixSat> valgrind: the gts for android has no source code
Jan 09 10:59:29 <Ge0rG> is there a more elegant way to stop communicating with an NFC tag than turning off the screen?
Jan 09 11:02:50 <m1hael> hi, anybody already using the google play private channels for distributing apps. we are trying to set it up and uploaded an app to the private channel but getting HTTP 500 when selecting the channel in the android device. anybody any xp?
Jan 09 11:03:39 <valgrind> has no sourcecode? have you checked the repository?
Jan 09 11:03:50 <valgrind> the git repo i mean
Jan 09 11:16:18 <ahhughes> Is http://ormlite.com/ a recommended solution for persistence? Or stick with straight out boilerplate to sqlite Or an alternative?
Jan 09 11:20:17 * Zharf would use ormlite
Jan 09 11:25:06 <ali__> has anyone used ABS?
Jan 09 11:25:40 <ahhughes> thanks Zharf I will give it a go :)
Jan 09 11:38:36 <p_l> g00s: I wonder if people would buy commercially-sold libs for developing on android...
Jan 09 11:38:44 <p_l> (outside of the well-established game engines)
Jan 09 11:39:43 <Chainfire> these hands-off demos of Ubuntu for Smartphones look awesome
Jan 09 11:41:01 <p_l> Chainfire: I'm not too enthusiastic about Ubuntu on smartphones -- frankly speaking, I don't have much trust in their dev. ability :)
Jan 09 11:42:38 <Chainfire> I wasn't either but these videos look pretty good
Jan 09 11:42:49 <p_l> Chainfire: "look"
Jan 09 11:43:01 <p_l> I feel a sense of dread of what I'd find if I look underneath
Jan 09 11:43:23 <Chainfire> isn't that true for all smartphones
Jan 09 11:43:27 <stiggpwnz> p_l: why , devs buy commercial iOS libs
Jan 09 11:43:59 <p_l> Chainfire: yes, but Ubuntu manages to make despair even on desktop
Jan 09 11:44:11 <p_l> *make me
Jan 09 11:45:48 <p_l> stiggpwnz: well, I haven't seen much of that in android area
Jan 09 11:45:54 <p_l> external services, yes, but not libs
Jan 09 11:46:33 <stiggpwnz> p_l: me neither, but maybe it's not time yet
Jan 09 11:48:02 <stiggpwnz> p_l: take Vitamio mediaplayer lib, they could make it commercial, and devs would buy it, I think
Jan 09 11:49:02 <stiggpwnz> p_l: because it's not so widely spreaded like ABS, for example
Jan 09 11:49:56 <stiggpwnz> p_l: and if they add, for example, streaming music caching, I would buy it myself
Jan 09 11:50:20 <stiggpwnz> p_l: because I'm struggling with this thing right now
Jan 09 11:50:57 <p_l> stiggpwnz: I was thinking of something along the lines of "sync support" lib, that would deal with synchronizing complex data between devices
Jan 09 11:51:42 <stiggpwnz> p_l: but it's not just lib, it will be a whole service
Jan 09 11:51:58 <stiggpwnz> p_l: with servers and everything
Jan 09 11:52:31 <p_l> nope
Jan 09 11:52:41 <p_l> it would contain both server and client software
Jan 09 11:52:50 <p_l> for integration with your own system
Jan 09 11:53:04 <p_l> (cause I don't wanna deal with things like privacy laws :D)
Jan 09 11:53:06 <squ> how to get id of (View) passed to onClick function?
Jan 09 11:53:21 <stiggpwnz> view.getId()
Jan 09 11:54:08 <stiggpwnz> p_l: I think you should write one : )
Jan 09 12:01:48 <squ> 			params.addRule(RelativeLayout.ALIGN_BOTTOM, view.getId());
Jan 09 12:01:53 <squ> doesnt work as expected
Jan 09 12:02:05 <squ> it doesnt dynamically move that layout
Jan 09 12:02:08 <p_l> stiggpwnz: well, it sounds like interesting project
Jan 09 12:03:56 <stiggpwnz> squ: maybe you forgot to remove some rule, maybe the view was previously aligned to top?
Jan 09 12:05:48 <squ> ah yes!
Jan 09 12:06:58 <squ> hm, but how to clear rules?
Jan 09 12:10:52 <stiggpwnz> squ: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RelativeLayout.LayoutParams.html#removeRule(int)
Jan 09 12:13:39 <squ> how to enum values that are set?
Jan 09 12:14:09 <platzhirsch> Does someone know how to use the clipboard service via adb shell for ICS or later?
Jan 09 12:17:56 <squ> which values is that 2131296332 ?
Jan 09 12:19:32 <g00s> p_l: not sure; i thought there were a few offerings like that https://code.google.com/p/openmobster/
Jan 09 12:19:33 <squ> removeRule is not available in api 8
Jan 09 12:19:34 <squ> :(
Jan 09 12:19:57 <g00s> Chainfire: i was interested in Ubuntu Phone too, but i'm not very hopeful :(
Jan 09 12:20:08 <ahhughes> if anyone know ormlite && android... whats the purpose of this config file is it necessary or can I use annotations instead? http://ormlite.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ormlite/examples/android/ClickCounter/res/raw/ormlite_config.txt?revision=2437&view=markup
Jan 09 12:21:02 <g00s> p_l: i've decided to never try and implement my own industrial strength middleware; i confess to just running for MQ or whatever when needed
Jan 09 12:21:13 <g00s> i'l never do a better job
Jan 09 12:21:25 <g00s> industrual strength middleware is a bitch to get right
Jan 09 12:22:28 <p_l> g00s: well, it's more a case of syncing the devices right - the server-side might connect to MQ or whatever
Jan 09 12:24:13 <ciphered> hi guys i have a stream running on http://ip:8080 i would like to stream it on my android phone
Jan 09 12:24:18 <ciphered> what is the easiest way?
Jan 09 12:40:54 <stiggpwnz> squ: I guess you'll have to always allocate new params from scratch, and add them to your view
Jan 09 12:41:18 <stiggpwnz> squ: i've never really worked with them before, so
Jan 09 12:41:34 <stiggpwnz> squ: my advices was mostly a suggestions
Jan 09 12:43:47 <stiggpwnz> ciphered: I don't know, try and google it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4068306/how-to-play-streaming-audio-video-from-a-url
Jan 09 12:48:23 <belgianguy> hmm, I have this include that works (doesn't throw an error)
Jan 09 12:48:25 <belgianguy> #include "../cots/bullet/src/BulletCollision/BroadphaseCollision/btBroadphaseInterface.h"
Jan 09 12:50:42 <belgianguy> but the .h file has includes that just say #include "LinearMath/btScalar.h" //for SIMD_FORCE_INLINE
Jan 09 12:51:15 <belgianguy> and if I add ${workspace_loc:/cots/bullet/src} to my Paths & Symbols, it still won't resolve
Jan 09 12:51:41 <belgianguy> is it something with the first include that might make the compiler look in the wrong directories?
Jan 09 13:03:55 <p_l> g00s: btw, did I tell you that I managed to get N4 to hang in normal use? :D
Jan 09 13:08:20 <belgianguy> hmm, I'm theorizing Eclipse can't work out my includes because ndk-build is doing the compiling
Jan 09 13:08:43 <belgianguy> how can one provide extra c++ include directories to NDK? in the makefiles?
Jan 09 13:12:09 <monsti> -I
Jan 09 13:13:21 <belgianguy> monsti: I addded LOCAL_C_INCLUDES := cots/bullet/src to Android.mk and Eclipse seems happy
Jan 09 13:17:33 <ciphered> guys
Jan 09 13:17:44 <ciphered> i need to develop a small software that streams a URL
Jan 09 13:17:48 <ciphered> is that difficult?
Jan 09 13:17:55 <ciphered> any APIs for that?
Jan 09 13:19:50 <ciphered> or another solution is to stream the content in a webbrowser
Jan 09 13:21:47 <belgianguy> well, given that Flash is out, don't know what else would lend itself to streaming to all devices
Jan 09 13:21:55 <bluwhale> streams a url? What are you streaming ciphered
Jan 09 13:23:50 <ahhughes> re: dagger.. the following code startActivity(new Intent(c.get(),CreateActivity.class)); doesnt create "CreateActivity" using dagger, so @Inject fields are null. How can I fix this?
Jan 09 13:24:03 <ciphered> i am streaming an ogg file
Jan 09 13:24:16 <ciphered> i want people to via that stream from the webrowser
Jan 09 13:24:21 <ciphered> on the android
Jan 09 13:24:46 <belgianguy> so only audio?
Jan 09 13:24:48 <squ> how to block click to underlying element when it is overlapped ?
Jan 09 13:24:59 <Zharf> doesn't MediaPlayer support audio streams?
Jan 09 13:25:03 <Zharf> from the internets
Jan 09 13:26:02 <Zharf> yep it does
Jan 09 13:30:46 <ciphered> belgianguy:  yes
Jan 09 13:39:53 <WHO_A_HOE> ok i am in android emulator how do you flip the window when it goes in to landscape mode
Jan 09 13:41:03 <spobat> ctrl-F12 should do it
Jan 09 13:41:30 <spobat> if you're on windows, at least.
Jan 09 13:43:25 <WHO_A_HOE> ty
Jan 09 13:43:31 <WHO_A_HOE> i am on win 7
Jan 09 13:44:12 <nmvictor> Hi guys, is it poosible to start the menu activity at the click of a software button, rather than the hardware menu button on the device?
Jan 09 13:44:32 <spobat> why do you want to do this?
Jan 09 13:46:45 <nmvictor> spobat: Some client gave me an app to develop, it works fine with the phone but he can't get it to work on his Android goggles as he uses a remote which has no button to map with the 'Menu' button on the phone.
Jan 09 13:46:49 <speeder> someone here know how to climb in play search results beside changing your description or app name?
Jan 09 13:47:25 <timroes> nmvictor: do you mean the application launcher with menu?
Jan 09 13:47:44 <WHO_A_HOE> how long does it take the emulator to boot
Jan 09 13:48:02 <WHO_A_HOE> it's been going for 5 mins
Jan 09 13:48:03 <timroes> or are you/your client anyway developing deprecated apps, and you are talking about the menu key, that has been on old android phones beside the back key?
Jan 09 13:48:23 <spobat> nmvictor, openOptionsMenu
Jan 09 13:48:42 <nmvictor> timroes: not sure i meant that
Jan 09 13:49:25 <nmvictor> spobat: is it a global method, or how do i call it? on which object is it bound to?
Jan 09 13:49:32 <nmvictor> spobat: thanks btw,
Jan 09 13:49:38 <spobat> Activity
Jan 09 13:49:55 <timroes> okay so he is telling about the deprecated menu stuff
Jan 09 13:49:59 <spobat> it's a instance method bt
Jan 09 13:50:10 <spobat> I assume so
Jan 09 13:50:33 <nmvictor> spobat: yea, it. thanks a lot bro
Jan 09 13:51:08 <spobat> np
Jan 09 13:53:58 <WHO_A_HOE> does it have to be in landscape b4 i push ctrl-F12
Jan 09 14:08:02 <iLike> Hey guys, how do I make a view which pops up a menu (without closing the previous Activity) and blurs the background?
Jan 09 14:08:41 <jeppy> a dialog?
Jan 09 14:09:19 <iLike> jeppy, seems like it. I forgot the name, thanks a bunch :)
Jan 09 14:10:07 <jeppy> search for how to do DialogFragment s
Jan 09 14:11:15 <jeppy> Or if you don't support Fragments, there is also alertdialog.builder
Jan 09 14:11:18 <iLike> jeppy, that's compatible with API level 10 I think?
Jan 09 14:11:52 <jeppy> Fragments were introduced in api 11 honeycomb
Jan 09 14:11:57 <iLike> >.<
Jan 09 14:12:14 <jeppy> but support libraries allow them to be used back to api 4
Jan 09 14:12:28 <bluwhale> Is there any way to run my emulator faster? It is way too slow.
Jan 09 14:13:01 <iLike> bluwhale, http://amitcs.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/how-to-speed-up-the-android-emulator-by-up-to-400/
Jan 09 14:13:16 <iLike> run android in a virtualbox :)
Jan 09 14:13:29 <iLike> jeppy, support libraries?
Jan 09 14:15:07 <jeppy> iLike, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/package-summary.html
Jan 09 14:15:19 <jeppy> it's in the SDK folder
Jan 09 14:15:33 <iLike> Cool, thanks :D
Jan 09 14:16:05 <jeppy> iLike, also this: http://developer.android.com/tools/extras/support-library.html
Jan 09 14:18:22 <jeppy> when using the support library for Fragments, be sure to call getSupportFragmentManager() where you would normally call getFragmentManager(). Also make sure you import classes from the support library where necessary (instead of the mainstream counterparts)
Jan 09 14:44:54 <H3bus> Hi guys, which directory is available to write a file in it on android, other than on the SDcard ?
Jan 09 14:45:11 <Mavrik> H3bus, shared or just for temporary storage?
Jan 09 14:45:13 <H3bus> I tried to write in /data, but i don't have access
Jan 09 14:45:17 <H3bus> temporary
Jan 09 14:45:28 <Mavrik> H3bus, context.getCacheDir()
Jan 09 14:45:35 <Mavrik> will give you the cache directory meant for temporary storage
Jan 09 14:45:49 <H3bus> Mavrik: great, i'll try that
Jan 09 14:46:02 <Mavrik> H3bus, context.getExternalCacheDir() will give you cache directory on SD card
Jan 09 14:46:16 <Mavrik> on most devices the first one is on /data partition and the second one is on /sdcard/.android/
Jan 09 14:46:26 <Mavrik> but use those API calls to make sure it works everywhere :)
Jan 09 14:46:43 <Leeds> H3bus: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html
Jan 09 14:46:46 <ciphered> hello
Jan 09 14:46:56 <ciphered> i have an audio stream http://ip:8080
Jan 09 14:47:03 <ciphered> i would like to stream that in a browser
Jan 09 14:47:06 <ciphered> including android browser
Jan 09 14:47:19 <ciphered> so when a client go into http://server he can play the stream
Jan 09 14:47:22 <ciphered> how can i do that?
Jan 09 14:47:45 <BrixSat> ciphered:  you would need to use html5 player so the stream plays
Jan 09 14:48:10 <ciphered> most modern browsers including android and iphone support html5?
Jan 09 14:48:24 <BrixSat> yes
Jan 09 14:48:37 <ciphered> thank you
Jan 09 14:48:39 <BrixSat> the main reason of html5 is universality
Jan 09 14:49:06 <BrixSat> just check the stream format to be compatible with html5 of android
Jan 09 14:49:20 <ciphered> the stream format is ogg
Jan 09 14:49:28 <ciphered> its a source mp3 getting converted into ogg
Jan 09 14:49:31 <ciphered> but its not a file
Jan 09 14:49:34 <ciphered> its a stream
Jan 09 14:49:41 <ciphered> so i need to point from html5 to a stream not to a file
Jan 09 14:49:43 <BrixSat> if the output stream comes in ogg its ook
Jan 09 14:49:44 <ciphered> dunno if this is possible
Jan 09 14:50:03 <BrixSat> i have made apps that play stream nicely
Jan 09 14:53:49 <bluwhale> Thanks iLike
Jan 09 14:54:04 <m1hael> hi, anybody already using the google play private channels for distributing apps. we are trying to set it up and uploaded an app to the private channel but getting HTTP 500 when selecting the channel in the android device. anybody any xp?
Jan 09 14:58:43 <anelrh26> Hi All!, What is the best option to get a crash log in Android, with an application that isn't in Play Store yet?
Jan 09 15:00:15 <Ge0rG> anelrh26: for android < 4.1 you can just ask the user for using logcat reader or some other app, for 4.1+ you just can get the log in your app without any needed permissions
Jan 09 15:00:43 <Ge0rG> anelrh26: you could also use com.nullwire.trace to capture app crashes
Jan 09 15:01:58 <anelrh26> Thanks Ge0rG!
Jan 09 15:02:14 <xgear> Hello! When layout called in View?
Jan 09 15:02:35 <xgear> according activity life cycle
Jan 09 15:03:34 <xgear> i.e. when i can run code which requires called layout method?
Jan 09 15:03:54 <anelrh26> xgear: According to the life cycle the layout should be called in the on create method
Jan 09 15:04:33 <xgear> so in onStart i can run my code?
Jan 09 15:07:00 <anelrh26> ***onCreate()***
Jan 09 15:07:01 <anelrh26> Called when the activity is first created. This is where you should do all of your normal static set up: create views, bind data to lists, etc. This method also provides you with a Bundle containing the activity's previously frozen state, if there was one. Always followed by onStart().
Jan 09 15:07:15 <anelrh26> ***onStart()***
Jan 09 15:07:16 <anelrh26> Called when the activity is becoming visible to the user
Jan 09 15:07:26 <lov> anelrh26: links to the documentation work just as well.
Jan 09 15:07:47 <xgear> oh ...
Jan 09 15:09:14 <xgear> so, i use this method to check if my text in TexView elipsized http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4005933/how-do-i-tell-if-my-textview-has-been-ellipsized but it works only after layout phase of View.
Jan 09 15:09:57 <xgear> in click listener of this view it works fine
Jan 09 15:11:13 <xgear> but i want to call it not "on demand", but i can't determine this time when this code will work
Jan 09 15:16:35 <lov> xgear: it should work at any time after the textview has been laid out.
Jan 09 15:16:58 <lov> iirc setContentView performs the layout immediately, so you should be able to call this after you call setContentView, set the text in your textview, etc.
Jan 09 15:17:35 <xgear> and if i call setText not in onCreate?
Jan 09 15:18:04 <xgear> maybe it will help me http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewTreeObserver.html
Jan 09 15:18:40 <Tee_Pee> evenin' folks
Jan 09 15:18:47 <lov> I don't recall how the laying out works once you call setTextView. I'm pretty sure that invalidate() is called, though I don't know when you'd get the callback.
Jan 09 15:19:13 <Tee_Pee> Quick question - I am reading exif datetime info from an image, and all is fine and well, but I need to be able to change the format of the String in the exif to a different date format.
Jan 09 15:19:25 <Tee_Pee> i.e. I need to parse a date from a string without knowing what format that string will be in.
Jan 09 15:20:40 <lov> Tee_Pee: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/text/DateFormat.html
Jan 09 15:20:41 <monsti> Tee_Pee: that's called mind reading
Jan 09 15:20:47 <lov> try DateFormat.parse()
Jan 09 15:20:53 <lov> hmm
Jan 09 15:20:59 <lov> actually, no, that requires the format to be known ahead of time.
Jan 09 15:21:15 <lov> try calling setLenient first?
Jan 09 15:21:21 <Tee_Pee> monsti - no, it's called generic case
Jan 09 15:21:28 <Tee_Pee> hold on, let me try
Jan 09 15:21:33 <xgear> lov: anyway thenks. :)
Jan 09 15:21:37 <xgear> *a
Jan 09 15:22:28 <monsti> Tee_Pee: well try guesing
Jan 09 15:22:52 <monsti> DateFormat and assume different formastrings - get the first match
Jan 09 15:23:12 <monsti> thats all compters can do in 2013
Jan 09 15:23:14 <Tee_Pee> You don't understand - I need to parse a date from an image's exif... exif info is all but standardized. Different phone cameras might write it differently, and the user might have images made with cameras on the phone as well.
Jan 09 15:23:43 <monsti> yeah i understand ;)
Jan 09 15:23:46 <Tee_Pee> Yes, I am aware of that... but as lov pointed out, methods for this exist.
Jan 09 15:23:46 <lov> Tee_Pee: take a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3389348/parse-any-date-in-java
Jan 09 15:24:44 <TheTrash> That's a recipe for disaster.. there's just no difference between 01-02-2013 as the second of January and the first of February.
Jan 09 15:25:11 <TheTrash> Best you can do is poke around with a list of formats and an exception handler.
Jan 09 15:25:16 <Parhs> Dudes lets say that a i have activities  A,B,C,D   i start with A. Then i go B->C->D  . while cycling between D and C i want things to be added in A .How can i do this ?
Jan 09 15:25:49 <monsti> TheTrash: yeah - that's why i call this mind reading
Jan 09 15:25:50 <dragorn> Parhs: put them in a database or other storage and look for them when you start 'a'
Jan 09 15:26:23 <monsti> TheTrash: also 12.12.13
Jan 09 15:26:30 <lov> what dragorn said
Jan 09 15:26:39 <lov> have A check for values in its onResume or onStart
Jan 09 15:26:42 <TheTrash> monsti: that's an accurate description :D
Jan 09 15:26:48 <dragorn> when 'a' is stopped it may not even exist anymore
Jan 09 15:27:01 <lov> technically you could use some sort of observer, but yeah, A may be destroyed and recreated later
Jan 09 15:27:04 <monsti> TheTrash: well could be a time ;)
Jan 09 15:27:11 <xgear> lov: getViewTreeObserver().addOnGlobalLayoutListener - solution
Jan 09 15:27:15 <TheTrash> Haha yeah
Jan 09 15:27:18 <lov> xgear: neat, good luck
Jan 09 15:29:23 <Tee_Pee> well, this is buckling up to become a nightmare on its own.
Jan 09 15:29:27 <TheTrash> Tee_Pee: http://code.google.com/p/metadata-extractor/source/browse/Source/com/drew/metadata/Directory.java   public java.util.Date getDate(int tagType, @Nullable TimeZone timeZone)
Jan 09 15:29:27 <TheTrash>     {
Jan 09 15:29:32 <keyboardsurfer> hi, did anyone already solve this issue? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14238366/list-map-marker-clicks
Jan 09 15:29:51 <TheTrash> "// This seems to cover all known Exif date strings"
Jan 09 15:29:56 <TheTrash> Not sure if he's right
Jan 09 15:30:06 <TheTrash> But he's obviously spent some time with it.
Jan 09 15:30:29 <dragorn> Tee_Pee: While exif can be a mess I think date is fairly regular:  YYYY:MM:DD HH:MM:SS
Jan 09 15:31:37 <Tee_Pee> Aye, but here's the thing... when I get images from the server, I always have the same format: yyyy-MM-dd'T'HH:mm:ss'Z'
Jan 09 15:31:56 <Tee_Pee> the problem is now the user uploading the image to the server
Jan 09 15:32:15 <Tee_Pee> I need to take whatever is in the exif and turn it into that same format, so I can do my local caching and sorting logic.
Jan 09 15:32:47 <dragorn> the exif should always be YYYY:MM:DD HH:MM:SS in the date tag
Jan 09 15:33:08 <dragorn> so you should be able to translate it easily
Jan 09 15:33:57 <Tee_Pee> that's what I'm wondering - can I rely that it will ALWAYS be in that format?
Jan 09 15:34:26 <Tee_Pee> when I call it via ExifInterface ei.getAttribute(ExifInterface.TAG_DATETIME)
Jan 09 15:34:49 <dragorn> if they expect their exif data to be read by anything, yeah.
Jan 09 15:35:02 <iLike> Ugh, why is my ExifInterface.TAG_ORIENTATION always 1?
Jan 09 15:35:46 <lov> your phone is in the closet. Good job on outing it. Ass.
Jan 09 15:36:00 <Parhs> dragon if i dont want to use database as they are temp data where should i put them ?
Jan 09 15:36:12 <Parhs> application context ? singleton ?
Jan 09 15:36:14 <iLike> lov, :(
Jan 09 15:36:50 <Parhs> Tee_Pee since it is standard format i cant understand what is the problem
Jan 09 15:37:30 <Tee_Pee> Parhs - I was unsure whether there is an enforced standardization at all. I thought that it's locale dependant
Jan 09 15:37:59 <lov> Parhs: use a singleton or something. It's really up to you, because you're the one who knows what kind of data this is.
Jan 09 15:38:11 <lov> Don't use the application context unless you really need it for something.
Jan 09 15:38:41 <nmvictor> is it possible to stop a service plus all the theads started within it (as inner and anonymous classes) when the Activity goes to stop()/destroy()
Jan 09 15:39:06 <nmvictor> the service is bound to the activity in question
Jan 09 15:39:55 <bluwhale> Quick question about gestures: Are left/right/up/down operations not supposed to work that well with with gestureoverlayview? I have made so many of those gestures with the gesture builder, but still can't get very accurate results.
Jan 09 15:39:57 <bluwhale> Up/down/left/right gestures are detected very nicely with the gesturedetector
Jan 09 15:39:57 <bluwhale> Through the fling function.
Jan 09 15:40:33 <lov> nmvictor: sure. Call stopService. The Service itself will have to handle the bookkeeping of ending all of the threads, etc.
Jan 09 15:43:11 <ciphered> hi what audio format is supported in firefox? i am trying to use ogg in html5 not working fine
Jan 09 15:43:13 <ciphered> please advise
Jan 09 15:44:44 <BrixSat> ciphered:  google sometimes works ok if you use it https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Using_HTML5_audio_and_video?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Using_HTML5_audio_and_video
Jan 09 15:44:50 <Tee_Pee> that seems to work
Jan 09 15:44:56 <Tee_Pee> thanks for the help anyone
Jan 09 15:44:59 <Tee_Pee> everyone*
Jan 09 15:45:00 <nmvictor> lov: Thanks, but I think I have stopService() in the activities onDestroy() but the thread still runs, sending Toast messages to screen even when I am on other activities. Any clue why?
Jan 09 15:45:03 <Tee_Pee> been a long day -_-
Jan 09 15:45:34 <lov> The Service itself will have  to handle the bookkeeping of ending all of the threads, etc.
Jan 09 15:45:48 <DOSP> Hi guys, can someone tell me why aways when i want to Run app in Eclipse or when i want to export app i always get the aapt.exe stopped working error exception
Jan 09 15:45:48 <lov> by which I mean "You will have to modify your service's onDestroy to handle stopping your threads, etc"
Jan 09 15:46:12 <lov> DOSP: .... no? Sorry, file a bug on b.android.com?
Jan 09 15:46:13 <jadahl> Hi. Is ANativeWindow_* functions thread safe? can't see any documentation regarding this.
Jan 09 15:47:13 <lov> jadahl: not a clue. Take a look at the Window java class.
Jan 09 15:47:17 <DOSP> i dont undestand the part about "file a bug on b.android.com ? ?? "
Jan 09 15:50:45 <Parhs> lov : but some people say it is bad to use singleton or dangerous ?
Jan 09 15:50:58 <ciphered> Guys, i want to know what is the audio supported format supported by firefox in android OS
Jan 09 15:51:23 <bluwhale> ciphered: Pretty sure .wav and .mp3, may be others.
Jan 09 15:51:53 <ciphered> mp3? aare you sure you can play mp3 from firefox in android?
Jan 09 15:51:54 <ciphered> coz its not
Jan 09 15:52:10 <lov> Parhs: singletons can be abused, that doesn't mean that they're bad.
Jan 09 15:52:35 <lov> ciphered: why are you asking us? Why aren't you asking mozilla?
Jan 09 15:52:48 <bluwhale> ciphered: Sorry, missed the firefox part. Not sure then, ignore what I said.
Jan 09 15:54:02 <jadahl> lov: thanks. looked at the source code. doesn't look very thread safe. Window class had no thread documentation either. do you know about thread safeness regarding the Window class?
Jan 09 15:55:17 <dragorn> Parhs: you can write it to an arbitrary file in your app data area for all it matters
Jan 09 15:55:21 <DOSP> Guys please, its urgent , can someone help me why its always showing me a appt.exe stopped working and error exception?
Jan 09 15:55:58 <dragorn> Parhs: or use sharedprefs or something.  all depends what kind of data you have.
Jan 09 15:56:27 <dragorn> if you're changing a UI state that occurs between activities, you probably really need to store it to a file, because otherwise your app will reset state if it gets unloaded from memory
Jan 09 15:59:04 <Kirei> Heyho
Jan 09 15:59:41 <Kirei> can someone help me with a ndk/.so library problem?^^
Jan 09 16:00:20 <funkbox> anyone with a gs3 know how to get it to not be so damn loggy about everything
Jan 09 16:00:30 <funkbox> running adb logcat on it is super verbose
Jan 09 16:03:03 <evanc> funkbox: not really a whole lot you can do about that other than figure out what's spamming the log and uninstall it (and email the devs)
Jan 09 16:03:06 <evanc> or use filters
Jan 09 16:03:19 <evanc> (so you only see your app's log messages)
Jan 09 16:03:43 <TheTrash> Uninstall touchwiz, yeah right :P
Jan 09 16:05:28 <sonOfRa> funkbox, you can add filters:
Jan 09 16:05:30 <sonOfRa> logcat [<option>] [<filter-specs>]	
Jan 09 16:06:37 <Kirei> really need help with .so libraries binding :(
Jan 09 16:09:06 <Parhs> lov so its ok to save a list there ?
Jan 09 16:09:24 <Parhs> if its content are lost doesnt matter
Jan 09 16:11:16 <Lachezar> Hello all... Anyone experiencing SigSegV when trying to create a new project in Eclipse? Xubuntu 12.10/amd64
Jan 09 16:18:47 <lov> Parhs: it's "ok"
Jan 09 16:18:50 * BrixSat Thinks ciphered is  sily 
Jan 09 16:19:12 <lov> bear in mind that the big thing about singletons is that you're effectively going to leak memory, unless you architect a way to release the singleton when it's not necessary
Jan 09 16:19:35 <lov> evanc: you mean the system service or the kernel?
Jan 09 16:19:53 <lov> My S3 just utterly trashes my logcat output with SENSOR log messages
Jan 09 16:20:04 <lov> I'm really surprised that there isn't a requirement that this not happen for market to be granted, etc.
Jan 09 16:20:14 <lov> or at least, that this shit not happen at error level
Jan 09 16:21:02 <evanc> lov: if you want to try and write a CTS test for "devices can log, but not log too much!!1" then I'm sure Google would love it
Jan 09 16:24:13 <lov> more of "If there's more than 60 error level logs per 60 seconds, fail"
Jan 09 16:24:34 * lov shrugs
Jan 09 16:25:00 <lov> it's probably more of an eyeballs thing. Human judgement of "Hey, is this thing emitting error level logs every time the power button gets pressed, or the screen is touched?"
Jan 09 16:25:21 <lov> I CAN DREAM CAN'T I? :(
Jan 09 16:25:23 <lov> :C
Jan 09 16:25:27 <Mavrik> or... you can just run your app via Eclipse which automatically sets filter for your app
Jan 09 16:25:33 <Mavrik> and don't block rather useful debug messages.
Jan 09 16:25:50 <Trudko> guys I am doing sql  on android and I am worried beecause my select now have 8 tables in joins and I am not sure if that is a lot or I should not be worried about it eventhough is on android
Jan 09 16:25:54 <evanc> yes, but logs are useful for those debugging problems, and Google isn't the one about to debug an issue with a Samsung device, so how can they (Google) say what the appropriate chatty-level is?
Jan 09 16:26:01 <lov> which is great except for when you want tags from processes that aren't you process.
Jan 09 16:26:07 <Trudko> I dont have that much expecierience with sql.
Jan 09 16:26:07 <lov> e.g. dalvikvm tags, etc.
Jan 09 16:26:25 <lov> Trudko: without knowing what your data set is, we can't really tell you that.
Jan 09 16:26:56 <Trudko> lov: yeah that make sense is there any general rule which I can apply? i guess its only about number of tables but also about number of rows right?
Jan 09 16:27:53 <Trudko> i think i should not be worried unless I tried it in real app(right now I am just doing sql directly on db outside of phone)
Jan 09 16:28:36 <lov> evanc: I just ran logcat for 15 seconds on my GS3.
Jan 09 16:28:37 <Asteria> Hello. Does anyone here know what names of the /dev/ file for the storage devices are?
Jan 09 16:28:43 <lov> The output is 12811 lines
Jan 09 16:28:51 <lov> that's practically 1000 lines per second of logging output
Jan 09 16:28:55 <Mavrik> lov, yes, and then it's great when you actually see what's going on with the hardware
Jan 09 16:29:01 <lov> it's not just "this is useful for debugging device problems"
Jan 09 16:29:14 <lov> it's "this is so fucking spammy that your relevant log line is gone from the buffer within 10 seconds"
Jan 09 16:29:16 <Mavrik> so you can see why your sensor hung or why camera wont init
Jan 09 16:29:34 <Mavrik> hiding useful stuff for developers because you can't set filters is just silly
Jan 09 16:29:42 <Lachezar> Hmmm... If I don't select 'Create Icon' and 'Create Activity' when creating the project Eclipse does not SigSegV.
Jan 09 16:30:00 <lov> and there's a LOT, as in a cubic boatload, of stuff that's logging at error level "just because"
Jan 09 16:30:11 <Lachezar> But when I open the 'Create Activity' wizard only the 'Cancel' button is active :(
Jan 09 16:31:04 <lov> Mavrik: it's not just being less spammy, it's also "not emitting things at error level"
Jan 09 16:31:15 <lov> here, let me do that again, but with logcat *:E
Jan 09 16:31:23 <lov> how many errors does my device have in 15 seconds?
Jan 09 16:31:32 <Mavrik> *shrug*
Jan 09 16:31:54 <Mavrik> your argument still seems to me like "baaaa, the manufacturers don't magically know what messages I'm interested in!"
Jan 09 16:32:24 <lov> 7277.
Jan 09 16:32:30 <lov> There are 7277 ERROR LEVEL MESSAGES in 15 seconds
Jan 09 16:32:43 <evanc> lov: you know I'm not disagreeing with you, right?
Jan 09 16:32:49 <lov> well, now I'm arguing with Mavrik
Jan 09 16:32:51 <lov> Mavrik: 01-09 11:32:07.436 E/Sensors (  623): accelHandler -0.080233 0.306563 9.758507
Jan 09 16:33:06 <lov> that kind of shit.
Jan 09 16:33:20 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 09 16:33:23 <canadiancow> i do that all the kind
Jan 09 16:33:35 <canadiancow> Log.e("Scott", "here's some debug data im interested in rihgt now");
Jan 09 16:33:37 <canadiancow> :D
Jan 09 16:33:37 <lov> basically the dudes who wrote the sensors just set every single thing to go at error level and turned off any sanity on their log emissions
Jan 09 16:33:44 <evanc> Mavrik: it has a real problem. If a user experiences a bug in your app and they pull logs and stuff but the relevant bit has already falled out of the buffer, you're hosed.
Jan 09 16:33:51 <canadiancow> s/kind/time/
Jan 09 16:34:11 <lov> canadiancow: I print stacktraces to call attention because I can actually see that. But I remember to take that out when I'm not debugging anymore.
Jan 09 16:34:18 <evanc> Mavrik: remember that the log buffer is a shared and finite resource
Jan 09 16:34:24 <canadiancow> yeah code reviews are good at getting rid of that stuff
Jan 09 16:34:25 <lov> ^^
Jan 09 16:34:29 <Mavrik> evanc, I agree
Jan 09 16:34:31 <lov> it's a 65k (iirc) circular buffer.
Jan 09 16:35:16 <lov> if the relevant information is gone w/in bout 5 seconds because something is super spammy, it's not helpful to anyone because the logs are long gone by the time you can physically react to call dumpsys
Jan 09 16:35:18 <Mavrik> evanc, but that's something you can hardly put into a requirements doc
Jan 09 16:35:26 <lov> sure it is.
Jan 09 16:35:28 <Mavrik> maybe in the form as
Jan 09 16:35:29 <evanc> Mavrik: when did I say you could?
Jan 09 16:35:46 <lov> "When the device is not being used, there will be fewer than 100 error level messages per second."
Jan 09 16:35:52 <Mavrik> lov, that's dumb.
Jan 09 16:35:55 <lov> why?
Jan 09 16:36:01 <Mavrik> because then you get 150 error cases
Jan 09 16:36:01 <evanc> lov: then everyone moves to D and you have the same problem
Jan 09 16:36:02 <evanc> next
Jan 09 16:36:03 <Mavrik> and you'll lose those
Jan 09 16:36:13 <lov> evanc: at least then I'll be able to do logcat *:E and see actual errors
Jan 09 16:36:19 <evanc> I agree with Mavrik in that it's dumb
Jan 09 16:36:28 <lov> which is what I could do in 2008-2009 and never again
Jan 09 16:36:34 <evanc> lov: if you're hooked up to a computer, who cares how chatty it is?
Jan 09 16:36:40 <Mavrik> lov, or you can get a Nexus device
Jan 09 16:36:43 <Mavrik> and develop on that
Jan 09 16:37:00 <Mavrik> Samsung really doesn't hire most competent developers for their Android platforms
Jan 09 16:37:16 <evanc> lov: adb logcat Sensors:* *:E <-- boom, fixed
Jan 09 16:37:25 <evanc> lov: adb logcat Sensors:S *:E <-- boom, fixed
Jan 09 16:37:26 <lov> evanc: yeah, I do stuff like that, except that I have to set about 20 tags
Jan 09 16:37:29 <evanc> (oops)
Jan 09 16:37:42 <lov> tjere
Jan 09 16:37:46 <lov> there's also great lines like
Jan 09 16:37:47 <lov> 01-09 09:17:42.312 E/        (  623): inv_get_mag_rate
Jan 09 16:37:51 <lov> whoops, didn't set a tag
Jan 09 16:37:58 <lov> physically cannot remove it from logcat at the command line
Jan 09 16:38:03 <evanc> lov: iirc, since ICS, logs without a tag get dropped
Jan 09 16:38:16 <lov> evanc: I'm using CM10, so either CM broke that or it's not true
Jan 09 16:38:28 <lov> (it's good to hear that it's at least being done)
Jan 09 16:38:46 <Mavrik> hmmm, I've noticed 3rd party roms tended to leave wierd logging settings on
Jan 09 16:38:49 <Mavrik> to fix "bugs"
Jan 09 16:39:06 <lov> I'm honestly assuming that there's something at the kernel level pooping that one out
Jan 09 16:39:11 <lov> rather than using dmesg
Jan 09 16:40:19 <bluwhale> Any tips for the gesture builder and using the gestures file? No matter what, my gestures are not being predicted accurately. The only way I can get gestures working well is via GestureDetector with onFling. But onFling is limited in capacity.
Jan 09 16:44:22 <bluwhale> Non-'linear' gestures are predicted very well. But anything like a straight line in the vertical or horizontal direction to denote left/right/up/down is predicted very poorly.
Jan 09 16:47:09 <snooplsm> Why do LinearLayout that have children with weights always have a great performance hit?
Jan 09 16:47:19 <snooplsm> I have this in a viewpager and it is janking up like crazy.
Jan 09 16:47:47 <snooplsm> What alternatives do I ahve?
Jan 09 16:48:48 <evanc> snooplsm: IIRC, it's nested weights that cause the problems because it involves a lot of layout passes
Jan 09 16:48:52 <evanc> you could use a RelativeLayout
Jan 09 16:49:13 <lighthazard> I've used almost exclusively RelativeLayout for most of my stuff. It's crazy.
Jan 09 16:51:28 <Nightbird_> looking for any tips or links: my web app works fine in the browser, but in my wrapper app, the webview won't auto-scroll and the keyboard covers the text field. any ideas?
Jan 09 16:52:18 <snooplsm> Also in some cases we have 27 views that are all found using findViewById, is there a way to improve findViewById performance?
Jan 09 16:52:34 <lighthazard> Nightbird_: Probbaly something really wrong with your XML.
Jan 09 16:52:43 <SimonVT> Use less views
Jan 09 16:52:53 <evanc> snooplsm: scope your search?
Jan 09 16:53:14 <snooplsm> I can't use less views really, I have to display a linescore.
Jan 09 16:53:21 <evanc> mSomeParent.findViewById(childId); as opposed to findViewById(childId) on the whole tree?
Jan 09 16:53:34 <snooplsm> evanc: ahh gotcha
Jan 09 16:54:41 <Nightbird_> lighthazard: it worked fine before the 4.2 update, didn't change the code.
Jan 09 16:55:25 <lighthazard> Nightbird_: Does your app work in other versions?
Jan 09 16:57:06 <Nightbird_> lighthazard: its only for the nexus 7, I'm building a virtual 4.1 version emulator right now.
Jan 09 16:57:55 <lighthazard> Nightbird_: I'm unsure then, maybe someone more experience with the different versiosn can hel;p.
Jan 09 16:58:34 <Nightbird_> lighthazard: thanks though, I will double check for xml changes related to 4.2
Jan 09 17:12:55 <belgianguy> hmm
Jan 09 17:13:29 <belgianguy> I have std::runtime_error(const char * error) but my std lib expects string or another runtime error as argument
Jan 09 17:13:55 <snooplsm> Is it possible to load/render a view in a background thread?
Jan 09 17:13:55 <belgianguy> (and the runtime error originates from a boost file, so I can't just edit it)
Jan 09 17:20:27 <evanc> snooplsm:
Jan 09 17:21:27 <evanc> er, forgot the "no"
Jan 09 17:22:08 <harshamv> Preference Activity - R cannot be resolved to a variable
Jan 09 17:22:28 <harshamv> am not able to assing a layout in the Preference Activity
Jan 09 17:22:39 <harshamv> i ahve placed the xml in the res/xml folder
Jan 09 17:23:44 <snooplsm> Sometimes android performance really bugs me.
Jan 09 17:23:59 <snooplsm> jellybean is still slower than ios
Jan 09 17:26:00 <misterli> http://pastebin.com/h88bw1dA
Jan 09 17:26:10 <misterli> any idea why i get Value {"lastname":"foobar","firstname":"bla","token":"bllbslegs"} of type org.json.JSONObject cannot be converter to JSONArray?
Jan 09 17:26:28 <SimonVT> Because it's a jsonobject, not a jsonarray
Jan 09 17:26:33 <lighthazard> ^^
Jan 09 17:26:42 <lighthazard> misterli: Convert it to an array by adding another level of {}
Jan 09 17:26:51 <lighthazard> OR accept a JSONObject instead of a JSONArray
Jan 09 17:27:07 <misterli> which solution is better or cleaner?
Jan 09 17:28:58 <lighthazard> Depends on your use.
Jan 09 17:29:12 <lighthazard> misterli: I normally use JSONArray for processing my returns because I know, at least my first item will be the object i need and I can add additional items if necessary, ver.
Jan 09 17:30:57 <misterli> well, probaby this line makes the error right? 	JSONObject jsonObject = responseJSON.getJSONObject(i);    shouldnt getJSONObject(i) return the X object in the array as object?
Jan 09 17:31:28 <lighthazard> Did you do a getJSONArray() first?
Jan 09 17:31:32 <lighthazard> is responseJSON a JSONArray?
Jan 09 17:31:46 <lighthazard> Convert your responseJSON into a JSONArray and then getJSONObject(i) on that.
Jan 09 17:35:02 <misterli> okay thanks but shouldnt 	JSONArray responseJSON = new JSONArray(new JsonManager().execute(buildURL).get()); return a JSONArray anyway? the ActiveSync Task returns a String 	
Jan 09 17:35:49 <YetAnotherDevelo> Is there any way to set a drawable as background for a shape? (I'd like to achieve rounded corners of an imageview and figured the most straight forward solution would be using a shape, and set a background to it as well as defining the radius to be like 5dp. However it's not possible to set a drawable as background in a shape afaik?
Jan 09 17:39:41 <sonOfRa> YetAnotherDevelo, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2459916/how-to-make-an-imageview-to-have-rounded-corners
Jan 09 17:39:56 <sonOfRa> i didn't read it, but a simple google search came up with that for rounded corners on imageviews
Jan 09 17:41:06 <YetAnotherDevelo> sonOfRa: Already tried that one out, although it does give rounded corners they become oval if the height and width of the imageview differ too much. I'd like symmetrical rounded corners. (like android:radius will give me when defining a shape)
Jan 09 17:43:02 <sonOfRa> tried adjusting the roundPx value?
Jan 09 17:43:35 <SimonVT> Use a 9patch
Jan 09 17:44:19 <YetAnotherDevelo> Yes, if the roundPx is too low they won't even become rounded, and if you give a higher number they'll become more and more oval in my case (works fine as long as width and height is about the same though)
Jan 09 17:44:50 <YetAnotherDevelo> I'm trying to avoid using a 9patch SimonVT, but if there's not other way I'll guess I'll have to learn it :)
Jan 09 17:45:54 <SimonVT> That you don't know how they work is a pretty bad reason for not using them ;O
Jan 09 17:45:59 <misterli> lighthazard cld you explain that? i think there's a logical problem in my brain for that
Jan 09 17:46:10 <YetAnotherDevelo> Haha, I know.. I'm just lazy :)
Jan 09 17:46:49 <lighthazard> misterli: Can you gist your code?
Jan 09 17:47:56 <misterli> http://pastebin.com/h88bw1dA
Jan 09 17:48:20 <lighthazard> misterli: Perhaps it's failing at line 2 where you getJSONArray
Jan 09 17:48:22 <misterli>     JSONArray responseJSON = new JSONArray ( new JsonManager().execute(buildURL).get() );  should make it to a JSONArray.                                 JSONObject jsonObject = responseJSON.getJSONObject(i); should make an Object out of the array
Jan 09 17:48:48 <misterli> do you think it may be because of invalid or broken JSON-Data?
Jan 09 17:49:00 <lighthazard> What's the return of: JSONArray responseJSON = new JSONArray(new JsonManager().execute(buildURL).get());?
Jan 09 17:49:36 <lighthazard> I think your JSON return may be an object and not an array
Jan 09 17:49:44 <lighthazard> also post your JSON code in a gist
Jan 09 17:49:48 <lighthazard> I mean JSON output
Jan 09 17:49:50 <misterli> ah, i think you'r right :S
Jan 09 17:55:03 <misterli> ok. It returns an object, not an Array. Works now Thanks... :)
Jan 09 17:56:29 <asperon> is it possible to retreive older versions of a apk from google play?
Jan 09 17:56:39 <lov> I don't believe so
Jan 09 17:56:57 <lighthazard> I thought so?
Jan 09 17:57:09 <lighthazard> In the APK tab, there is "Older Versions' that you can download, i think
Jan 09 17:57:10 <lighthazard> not sure
Jan 09 17:57:12 <misterli> I've another simple Question. I call a Function (tryLogin()) after pressing a Button in an Activity. tryLogin() is in a new Object. tryLogin() calls a  HTTPClient with gets the JSON-Data (ActiveSync Task!).  The Activity is freezing until all data has ben processes but why? The HttpClient runs out of the MainUI?
Jan 09 17:57:42 <canadiancow> argh SimonVT, somehow i pasted something into a protobuf file that was a message from you ~_~
Jan 09 17:57:46 <lighthazard> Switch to Advanced Mode
Jan 09 17:58:05 <SimonVT> canadiancow: haha
Jan 09 17:58:07 <asperon> cant find any way to download there
Jan 09 17:58:11 <lighthazard> misterli: What about the output? Where is that running?
Jan 09 17:58:25 <evanc> misterli: yes, of course
Jan 09 17:58:36 <asperon> i could make a new version that has a higher sdk value, and then activate both and get a old device to download it, but its seems a bit stupid
Jan 09 17:58:41 <lov> misterli: HttpClient doesn't run on a separate thread by itself.
Jan 09 17:58:48 <lov> When you get a button callback, that's on the UI thread.
Jan 09 17:58:52 <misterli> There's no Output. I just wait for a boolean (true/false) and it redirects to a new Activity when it's done
Jan 09 17:59:00 <lighthazard> misterli: Are you putting that in a runnable?
Jan 09 17:59:02 <lov> You need to use an AsyncTask or some other threading method
Jan 09 17:59:08 <lighthazard> ^^
Jan 09 17:59:14 <misterli> The HttpClient is running in a Asynctask
Jan 09 17:59:25 <lov> in the background method?
Jan 09 17:59:29 <lov> Why don't you pastebin some code, please?
Jan 09 17:59:38 <misterli> http://pastebin.com/R0zZqjNm
Jan 09 18:00:07 <lov> Can you please pastebin the code that references/uses your JsonManager class?
Jan 09 18:00:07 <evanc> misterli: what about the caller of that?
Jan 09 18:00:14 <misterli> the clicklistener for the button call tryLogin() of Object Object1 and Object1 call the AsyncTask
Jan 09 18:00:23 <evanc> misterli: please pastebin that code
Jan 09 18:01:04 <misterli> the onclicklistneer call tryLogin in OBject Object1 (http://pastebin.com/a7TGQyH1)
Jan 09 18:01:28 <misterli> it's just dummy values in the Script for testing purpose
Jan 09 18:02:15 <evanc> misterli: you're calling .get() which will block
Jan 09 18:03:15 <evanc> misterli: "Waits if necessary for the computation to complete, and then retrieves its result." (from the docs)
Jan 09 18:03:42 <misterli> Yeah but i have to wait until the data has been complelty loaded. I can not proceed without the complete http returnbuffer
Jan 09 18:04:20 <misterli> blocking is not a real problem in the Login-Activity aslong as im still able to manipulate the GUI-Elements (for displaying a Dialog with Loading or smth)
Jan 09 18:04:34 <lov> misterli: the idea is that you do your post-processing in the async task
Jan 09 18:04:37 <lov> rather than in your listener
Jan 09 18:04:44 <evanc> misterli: ... then blocking is a problem :)
Jan 09 18:04:59 <lov> you call newJsonManager().execute(buildURL); and then you RETURN.
Jan 09 18:05:16 <lov> your AsyncTask's onPostExecute method will be called, on the UI thread, after the onBackground completes
Jan 09 18:05:35 <evanc> misterli: pretend AsyncTask doesn't have .get() or .get(long,TimeUnit) and rewrite your code to deal with that reality
Jan 09 18:05:35 <lov> and yes, blocking is ALWAYS a problem when you do it in the UI thread
Jan 09 18:05:38 <misterli> So there's no way to avoid blocking if i want to use ASyncTasks?
Jan 09 18:05:43 <lov> WRONG
Jan 09 18:05:46 <evanc> misterli: you're not understanding
Jan 09 18:05:47 <lov> read what we wrote
Jan 09 18:06:00 <lov> read ALL of what we wrote instead of skimming.
Jan 09 18:06:13 <evanc> misterli: just read this: 13:40 < evanc> misterli: pretend AsyncTask doesn't have .get() or .get(long,TimeUnit) and rewrite your code to deal with that reality
Jan 09 18:06:14 <lov> I literally told you exactly how to do this
Jan 09 18:06:19 <misterli> Okay, let me see if i'm able to understand that
Jan 09 18:07:07 <lov> misterli: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jan 09 18:07:10 <lov> go to "The 4 steps"
Jan 09 18:07:16 <lov> see http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html#onPostExecute%28Result%29
Jan 09 18:07:22 <misterli> thanks
Jan 09 18:07:28 <pierpark> GRRR. I've got a context menu registered via OnCreate to an ImageView... trying to get it to appear via openContextMenu inside my ImageView's click listener. It opens, but when I select an item, it wont close the menu! It'll do what it was supposed to do per selection via case: switches, but it refuses to shut off. It will flicker like it's gone away but it is immediately back again. Any
Jan 09 18:07:28 <pierpark> ideas?
Jan 09 18:11:58 <asperon> so, no way to retrive an old version form the developer console?
Jan 09 18:12:50 <tplaner> hi guys, does anyone see any glaring issues with this code: https://gist.github.com/e488dd1211709f5b93bb the code is working fine on some devices, but on others the Activity.RESULT_OK never seems to fire, the camera just stays open
Jan 09 18:13:39 <evanc> tplaner: is your activity singleInstance or anything?
Jan 09 18:14:21 <tplaner> evanc: I don't believe so
Jan 09 18:15:36 <etcetera> is it possible to connect to an emulator on the host machine from a guest VM?
Jan 09 18:17:46 <pierpark> Anyone care to take a look at this short bit of code and tell me why thid context menu won't close after a selection has been made? http://pastebin.com/ttxKF76M
Jan 09 18:18:00 <asperon> lets see, i have a widget that is minWidth=294dp, minHeight=72dp, this works well as 4x1 on 2.x etc, but on 4.x devices it gets added as 4x2
Jan 09 18:18:07 <asperon> anybody know whats going on?
Jan 09 18:18:55 <SimonVT> asperon: You didn't read the size guidelines for app widgets: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/widget_design.html
Jan 09 18:19:29 <asperon> SimonVT: i did, and this worked before, i just had to compile my app again and now it breaks
Jan 09 18:19:44 <SimonVT> You didn't :/
Jan 09 18:20:19 <asperon> SimonVT: ok :) i know that it adds padding these days, but this exact code worked on 4.x before, without setting margin 0 etc
Jan 09 18:20:32 <SimonVT> That was before you changed your targetsdk
Jan 09 18:21:32 <asperon> could be, but i am using sdk 14 calls in the code
Jan 09 18:22:27 <d3xter> hey guys
Jan 09 18:22:37 <d3xter> is there any way to split strings.xml up in multiple files?
Jan 09 18:22:54 <SimonVT> Yes, split it up into multiple files
Jan 09 18:23:05 <monsti> cool_strings.xml
Jan 09 18:23:08 <monsti> g_strings.xml
Jan 09 18:23:09 <monsti> ...
Jan 09 18:23:15 <d3xter> this does work that easy?
Jan 09 18:23:23 <monsti> yes
Jan 09 18:23:28 <d3xter> oh, thanks :)
Jan 09 18:23:29 <SimonVT> xml filenames in values/ doesn't matter
Jan 09 18:23:53 <SimonVT> You could call it this_is_not_strings.xml
Jan 09 18:25:25 <CheaterCodes> hello again
Jan 09 18:37:25 <pierpark> monsti: hahaha g strings.
Jan 09 18:37:45 <pierpark> yes, I'm slow. not really.. I was just at the gas station and had to rewind what I missed :)
Jan 09 18:44:11 <Ark42> I'm getting a Cursor from my SQLiteDatabase.rawQuery() and trying to use it in a SimpleCursorTreeAdapter but I'm not sure what to pass for the string array's groupFrom and childFrom. Using column names doesn't work.
Jan 09 18:44:55 <pierpark> Any clues on why a context menu opens the amount of times that it has a "case" switch for? As in, 5 menu options = context menu opening 5 times?
Jan 09 18:45:16 <evanc> pierpark: pastebin your code?
Jan 09 18:45:25 <monsti> you missed the breaks?
Jan 09 18:45:43 <pierpark> http://pastebin.com/ttxKF76M
Jan 09 18:45:51 <pierpark> That's quite possible. :/
Jan 09 18:46:14 <pfn> pierpark, break
Jan 09 18:46:22 <evanc> pfn: he's returning
Jan 09 18:46:26 <pierpark> An update to the note at the top of the pastebin = context menu is closing, but just has multiple instances (just found out)
Jan 09 18:47:46 <pierpark> I actually don't need anything except for the action to take place, and the menu to close... so return/break/whatever I need is what I'll do. Just trying to figure that part out heh.
Jan 09 18:48:19 <pfn> the menu closes when you return from onContextItemSelected
Jan 09 18:48:29 <pfn> if not, then you're blocking the UI somehow
Jan 09 18:48:35 <pfn> and you're not actually returning
Jan 09 18:48:53 <pierpark> That appears to be the case. However, one tap of the button that opens the context menu = 5 context menu's opening due to 5 options inside the menu.
Jan 09 18:49:04 <pierpark> If I select the option 5 times, then all instances will disappear, one by one.
Jan 09 18:49:27 <evanc> pierpark: can you pastebin your context menu XML and the code that opens the context menu?
Jan 09 18:49:47 <pfn> sounds more like you're registering for context menu on 5 different things
Jan 09 18:49:52 <pierpark> evanc: sure re: XML, --- the code that opens it is at the bottom of this pastebin http://pastebin.com/ttxKF76M
Jan 09 18:50:49 <pierpark> http://pastebin.com/JJjSQaDK XML
Jan 09 18:50:52 <evanc> pierpark: hm, is it because you're getting N touch events? (down, up, click, maybe more?)
Jan 09 18:50:54 <pfn> you get multiple onTouch events
Jan 09 18:51:06 <evanc> pierpark: try setOnClickListener()
Jan 09 18:51:15 <pfn> on touch
Jan 09 18:51:17 <pfn> of course
Jan 09 18:51:36 <pfn> there are multiple touch events
Jan 09 18:51:48 <pfn> you have a touch_down and touch_up, for instance
Jan 09 18:52:51 <pierpark> pfn.. right... that is possible that is where the issue is.
Jan 09 18:53:02 <pierpark> re: onClickListener -- Okay I'll give that a shot. For some reason I've been going through hell trying to get my typical onClickListener to work in this app, but I'll go give it a shot real quick, see how close I can get, and maybe you can help me with the issue its been having, if I can't figure it out.
Jan 09 18:53:07 <Fisiu> I have some view with spinner, and that spinner has android:spinnerMode="dialog"
Jan 09 18:53:21 <pierpark> Thank you guys for looking at the code. I appreciate the input
Jan 09 18:53:30 <evanc> pierpark: no problem
Jan 09 18:53:49 <pfn> so, when/how will the new gradle build integrate into eclipse?
Jan 09 18:53:56 <Fisiu> when I tap spinner, dialog with list has width for almost all screen width,  is there a way to limit size of this dialog?
Jan 09 18:54:08 <birbeck> mmm gradle
Jan 09 18:55:27 <birbeck> Fisiu: you could make a custom view for it, but i wouldnt recommend it
Jan 09 18:55:59 <birbeck> Fisiu: it is best to blend seamlessly with the OS and other apps, users would expect nothing else
Jan 09 19:10:07 <speeder> I noticed there are some apps that get thousands of downloads at day 1
Jan 09 19:10:17 <monsti> speeder: yeah whatsapp
Jan 09 19:10:20 <speeder> one thing in common with all those apps, is that they have a infinite symbol in their icon
Jan 09 19:10:29 <speeder> someone know what publisher or ad company that uses that symbol?
Jan 09 19:11:41 <speeder> example: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.innovativeGames.bridgeTheWall
Jan 09 19:11:49 <NightRavenXS> Aliens
Jan 09 19:12:17 <speeder> I noticed LOTS of apps from different companies with that infinite symbol on the icon, and all of them have thousands of downloads for no clear reason (for example that bridgethewall has very bad rating)
Jan 09 19:12:24 <speeder> what it means?
Jan 09 19:12:44 <NightRavenXS> speeder, does that symbol look identical to the one on Bridge the wall
Jan 09 19:12:50 <NightRavenXS> again same shape same size, color?
Jan 09 19:12:54 <speeder> NightRavenXS: yes
Jan 09 19:13:28 <NightRavenXS> i said it, aliens
Jan 09 19:13:29 <NightRavenXS> :D
Jan 09 19:13:33 <NightRavenXS> no really, that seems strange
Jan 09 19:13:50 <NightRavenXS> i guess that is some insider thing we don't get
Jan 09 19:13:54 <speeder> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtime.NightRider
Jan 09 19:13:58 <speeder> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.gunnm.simplepac
Jan 09 19:14:12 <snooplsm> anyone use foursquare?
Jan 09 19:14:13 <speeder> the simple pac one is buggy,. but on white bg it looks the same
Jan 09 19:14:15 <lov> speeder: it's probably some ad network, or parent company, or scoreboard service, or something
Jan 09 19:14:26 <NightRavenXS> hmm
Jan 09 19:14:29 <speeder> lov: yes, but it is already months I am trying to figure what it is
Jan 09 19:14:33 <speeder> without success
Jan 09 19:14:39 <NightRavenXS> if i weren't that lazy i would cut it out and search on Google
Jan 09 19:14:40 <lov> you could just email a company and ask :>
Jan 09 19:14:49 <NightRavenXS> lov, WHICH company?
Jan 09 19:15:27 <lov> any one of the companies with the infinity symbol
Jan 09 19:15:36 <lov> and say "Hey, what's that infinity symbol?"
Jan 09 19:17:05 <speeder> NightRavenXS: google has reverse image search?
Jan 09 19:17:12 <speeder> (and is it better than TinEye?)
Jan 09 19:17:33 <sonOfRa> yes, and mostly yes
Jan 09 19:20:13 <speeder> I tried :(
Jan 09 19:20:23 <speeder> found only some random shit in chinese sites that index from google play
Jan 09 19:20:24 <speeder> :(
Jan 09 19:23:06 <snooplsm> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.happytap.foursquaremayor
Jan 09 19:27:33 <speeder> this one has two creepy icons
Jan 09 19:27:33 <speeder> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blogspot.zandroidgame.eliteforce
Jan 09 19:27:58 <speeder> top 17 in overall free apps on my phone
Jan 09 19:28:01 <speeder> (I am from Brazil)
Jan 09 19:28:02 <bluwhale> Anyone have experience with gestures here? I really, really need some help.
Jan 09 19:28:16 * Ge0rG wants to play ingress already... still no game code after registering on the web site :(
Jan 09 19:28:46 <NightRavenXS> speeder, sorry i was away, doesnt Google have it?
Jan 09 19:28:50 <NightRavenXS> you drag the image, it's yours
Jan 09 19:28:57 <speeder> NightRavenXS: I tried
Jan 09 19:29:05 <NightRavenXS> no effect?
Jan 09 19:29:07 <speeder> google found only some chinese sites that index from the store
Jan 09 19:30:05 <NightRavenXS> hmm that's a mistery
Jan 09 19:30:13 <NightRavenXS> damn i really want to know
Jan 09 19:30:28 <NightRavenXS> what if, we dont find it out, just stick the logo on our apps and sales will go up?
Jan 09 19:30:42 <NightRavenXS> btw does that also apply to paid apps?
Jan 09 19:35:24 <anelrh26_> Hi, Does anyone have faced this error: Unable to execute dex: Multiple dex files define Landroid/support/v4/accessibilityservice
Jan 09 19:38:24 <lov> anelrh26_: You have multiple versions of the same v4 support library jar
Jan 09 19:38:39 <lov> or rather, you have multiple different versions of that same library
Jan 09 19:38:46 <lov> you need to make sure that they're all the same version
Jan 09 19:39:59 <bluwhale> Is it correct that I cannot use vertical gesture strokes in Android.
Jan 09 19:40:54 <NightRavenXS> speeder, http://www.scoreloop.com/
Jan 09 19:41:00 <anelrh26_> lov: right!! Thanks, So I think that make sense, since I have a library that uses v4 support library jar, and Google Maps is using other one
Jan 09 19:41:03 <speeder> yeah
Jan 09 19:41:03 <speeder> I just found it
Jan 09 19:41:08 <speeder> I found someone asking it on google forums
Jan 09 19:41:09 <speeder> :)
Jan 09 19:41:11 <NightRavenXS> google forum?
Jan 09 19:41:13 <NightRavenXS> haha yeah
Jan 09 19:41:53 <speeder> now I wonder why score loop apps get millions of downloads on launch (that decrease over time by the way)
Jan 09 19:42:30 <speeder> for example the archery app hit 5 million downloads level on second day I think, but when I looked at its graph 3 weeks after launch, it was clearly declining linearly
Jan 09 19:43:13 <canadiancow> tmobile just stuck a "thank you for choosing t-mobile prepaid" at the beginning of my call
Jan 09 19:43:14 <canadiancow> wow.
Jan 09 19:46:25 <SimonVT> How nice of them
Jan 09 19:47:17 <belgianguy> err
Jan 09 19:47:22 <anelrh26_> lov: The issue is that I don't have a way to delete the library-support? :S
Jan 09 19:47:29 <belgianguy> I'm getting insufficient storage errors on the actual phone
Jan 09 19:47:41 <belgianguy> but the app isn't that big, and I have plenty of storage :s
Jan 09 19:47:51 <belgianguy> also: eclipse
Jan 09 19:48:11 <belgianguy> this happens when I want to debug my app
Jan 09 19:49:20 <lov> anelrh26_: sure you do. Click the library, click delete.
Jan 09 19:49:57 <anelrh26_> lov: for some reason the Delete option is disable
Jan 09 19:50:11 <lov> anelrh26_: close eclipse and do it from the command line
Jan 09 19:50:32 <hwrd|work> Is it possible to specify a locale for, say, Latin America?
Jan 09 19:50:54 <TheFred> hi
Jan 09 19:51:08 <hwrd|work> For example, if you have translations in Castillian Spanish (just es) and Mexican Spanish but a user downloads your app in Columbia. Will they see the Spain Spanish or the Mexican Spanish?
Jan 09 19:51:22 <lov> sure
Jan 09 19:51:29 <anelrh26_> lov: you're my hero ^^
Jan 09 19:51:30 <lov> es-rMX
Jan 09 19:51:33 <lov> or something like that
Jan 09 19:51:51 <lov> I don't know if there's a central/south america region in particular tbqh
Jan 09 19:51:55 <lov> which sucks
Jan 09 19:51:58 <belgianguy> my dinosaur phone is slooow
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Jan 09 19:55:06 <hwrd|work> lov: Yeah, it sucks that you can't put _more_ than one region qualifier in a folder name
Jan 09 19:59:34 <JakeWharton> does anyone know where I can find a reference to all of the Window instances that make up an activity?
Jan 09 19:59:46 <belgianguy> what to do against faulty "Installation error: INSTALL_FAILED_INSUFFICIENT_STORAGE"
Jan 09 20:00:00 <JakeWharton> I checked Window, PhoneWindow, ActivityManager, etc.
Jan 09 20:00:02 <JakeWharton> nothing jumped out
Jan 09 20:00:08 <belgianguy> (there's plenty of space, and the app is 2 MB)
Jan 09 20:00:45 <bubbleguuum> belgianguy: clear the Google Play data and cache
Jan 09 20:01:11 <belgianguy> bubbleguuum: also when I'm just debugging from Eclipse?
Jan 09 20:01:32 <bubbleguuum> maybe. try it
Jan 09 20:02:49 <lov> belgianguy: reboot.
Jan 09 20:02:56 <lov> belgianguy: it's a known issue for older devices.
Jan 09 20:03:11 <belgianguy> lov: reboot helped some times, but seems not to resolve it anymore
Jan 09 20:03:20 <belgianguy> and yeah it's an old device, with a 4.1.1 ROM
Jan 09 20:03:27 <lov> I think that the implementation expects 6MB free. You might also have your /cache filled up, check that out.
Jan 09 20:05:00 <belgianguy> I have 20 MB free
Jan 09 20:05:30 <belgianguy> where do I see /cache?
Jan 09 20:05:57 <belgianguy> I have a cache folder in root
Jan 09 20:06:01 <belgianguy> but it's empty
Jan 09 20:06:43 <belgianguy> argh right when I was about to reach another milestone
Jan 09 20:07:09 <timroes> belgianguy: the cache directory of an application?
Jan 09 20:19:32 <lov> belgianguy: I meant the cache partition. use du or something.
Jan 09 20:20:37 <belgianguy> cwm can clean cache, would that work, too?
Jan 09 20:22:30 <belgianguy> I got through one time
Jan 09 20:22:39 <belgianguy> it seems to work now
Jan 09 20:22:55 <belgianguy> well, text based the results match :)
Jan 09 20:23:12 <belgianguy> now I'll have to make OpenGL draw them
Jan 09 20:23:17 <p_l> ... I love dumb USB protocols
Jan 09 20:23:22 * p_l twitches at MTP
Jan 09 20:24:28 <Jouva> I'm trying to use a <shape> XML drawable of an oval type and use it in a <layer-list> to have a small circle and a number in the bottom left of a drawable. There's a <level-list> that will be used for each layer-list so I can .setImageLevel() on the ImageView. I'm having issues getting the shape to be the right size. I'm trying to reference the shape as a <bitmap> in the layer-list, since
Jan 09 20:24:28 <Jouva> I've seen mentions of centering it to make it the right size, but the inflater seems to dislike this. How can I make my shape the size I want?
Jan 09 20:25:35 <Fisiu> I have some custom layout in PreferenceScreen, how can bind UI with preferences while there is no android:key in that layout items
Jan 09 20:28:01 <misterli> lighthazard finally i made it. It's still a little bit tricky but understood it.. Thanks ;)
Jan 09 20:33:48 <belgianguy> okay, the machine clearly does want me to stop for today
Jan 09 20:33:52 <belgianguy> before I lose my mind
Jan 09 20:34:00 <belgianguy> I _want_ to develop but it won't let me
Jan 09 20:34:34 <belgianguy> well, the hardest part is done though
Jan 09 20:34:40 <belgianguy> good ol' C++
Jan 09 20:35:04 <belgianguy> cya guys tomorrow!
Jan 09 20:36:46 <anelrh26_> Random question.. Is there a way in Android that we give to the user the security to enter an app with a pattern or pin code?
Jan 09 20:36:58 <lov> no, I don't believe so.
Jan 09 20:37:18 <lov> The app could handle this itself, but it's not something device level to password protect arbitrary applications
Jan 09 20:37:32 <lov> this wouldn't really make sense in some contexts; how do you password protect a widget?
Jan 09 20:37:39 <lov> how would you password protect an app that's only a service?
Jan 09 20:40:32 <anelrh26_> some client is asking do that in Android, but I guess that I have to do it custom
Jan 09 20:42:50 <sonOfRa> might be a little tough, as you wouldn't only have to protect the launch, but each activity
Jan 09 20:42:59 <lov> well, that's not too bad.
Jan 09 20:43:04 <sonOfRa> as you won't always be launching the main activity
Jan 09 20:43:20 <lov> it'd be awkward, but you can probably figure out a way around that
Jan 09 20:43:39 <lov> well, hmm. The task stack would make it a little awkward.
Jan 09 20:43:43 <sonOfRa> and you don't want to ask the user for password every time you switch between activities i suppose :)
Jan 09 20:45:29 <monsti> sonOfRa: lol why not ;)
Jan 09 20:45:39 <bluwhale> Anyone here have some experience with gestures? I need some help. Thank you.
Jan 09 20:45:40 <lighthazard> misterli: I had the same issue when I was working on JSON
Jan 09 20:45:41 <monsti> onConfigurationChanged ... askPassword();
Jan 09 20:46:32 <lighthazard> lol
Jan 09 20:56:37 <xorgate> using maps v2, why is .deactivate() on my LocationSource never called?
Jan 09 21:00:53 <DOSP> Hey guys, an you hep me ? iam always getting an appt.exe stopped working error when i want to export mmy app , please someone help me
Jan 09 21:19:04 <Chronax> Paging SimonVT and JakeWharton: Without digging through the code... has anyone added tablet support to android-menudrawer? Something like a fixed-open drawer?
Jan 09 21:19:27 <JakeWharton> I would just use a different layout with two FrameLayouts and attach two fragments
Jan 09 21:19:41 <JakeWharton> whereas on phones it would be one full-activity fragment with the other in the drawer
Jan 09 21:20:16 <JakeWharton> layout/ and layout-sw600dp/  and then a boolean in values/ and values-sw600dp/ to detect whether or not to use the drawer in code
Jan 09 21:25:58 <SimonVT> Chronax: Nope
Jan 09 21:27:48 <SimonVT> Maybe this weekend
Jan 09 21:28:51 <Chronax> SimonVT: How do you envision that working? Ideally, I'd like to put totally different layout and fragments in the main content area, but I can't think of any way to do it outside of Java.
Jan 09 21:30:13 <SimonVT> In the library, I'd just make a subclass that contains nothing but two framelayouts
Jan 09 21:30:52 <Chronax> Right.
Jan 09 21:30:54 <Chronax> Okay.
Jan 09 21:30:56 <SimonVT> On your end, how you'd handle phone/tablet layout in any other app
Jan 09 21:31:15 <Chronax> That makes sense. It's just that the we currently build up the Fragments and lists and everything in code.
Jan 09 21:31:50 <Chronax> And we're thinking about using totally different layouts and types for Tablets. IE: Instead of ListView, GridView...
Jan 09 21:32:27 <JakeWharton> those should be specified using different resource qualifiers and then you just use AbsListView or AdapterView in code
Jan 09 21:32:32 <JakeWharton> then you don't have to have any logic changes
Jan 09 21:32:34 <Chronax> That's pretty clever, JakeWharton.
Jan 09 21:32:36 <SimonVT> Just have your fragments use AbsListView
Jan 09 21:32:39 <SimonVT> Gah
Jan 09 21:32:50 <Chronax> Hah.
Jan 09 21:32:52 <Chronax> Thanks for the info, guys.
Jan 09 21:34:05 <Chronax> Wait, can AbsListView present a GridView or a ListView?
Jan 09 21:34:24 <SimonVT> It's a base class for both
Jan 09 21:35:00 <Chronax> That should work well, then.
Jan 09 21:35:04 <Chronax> Great info - thanks again!
Jan 09 21:35:09 <JakeWharton> be careful though, setAdapter on AbsListView is API 11+ whereas setAdapter on AdapterView is API 1+
Jan 09 21:35:35 <SimonVT> So annoying >.<
Jan 09 21:35:38 <JakeWharton> yeah
Jan 09 21:36:25 <g00s> do most apps use a single-paned view (over a multi-pained view) for a Phablet (like a Samsung Note) ?
Jan 09 21:36:44 <Chronax> Ick, so what would I do for API 8+? :(
Jan 09 21:37:05 <SimonVT> ((AdapterView) absListView).setAdapter(adapter)
Jan 09 21:37:27 <p_l> g00s: single pane
Jan 09 21:37:33 <p_l> or at least that's what I had seen
Jan 09 21:37:38 <g00s> p_l: thx
Jan 09 21:37:40 <p_l> matches the smaller tablets, too
Jan 09 21:40:59 <g00s> just read a pretty well thought out article on phablets becoming the dominant form factor
Jan 09 21:42:02 * g00s thinks p_l doesn't sleep either :/
Jan 09 21:42:54 <bliynd> hey anyone know if there is a way to check if an att phone is stolen before you buy it, or does it even matter
Jan 09 21:42:58 <Maurits_> phablets? you mean the galaxy note things?
Jan 09 21:43:45 <g00s> Maurits_: yeah
Jan 09 21:44:04 <Maurits_> I seriously doubt they'll ever catch on with the majority of users
Jan 09 21:44:09 <Maurits_> they're so impractical
Jan 09 21:44:50 <Maurits_> I would've said that about my current galaxy nexus phone, though
Jan 09 21:46:39 <g00s> Maurits_: you can read the article here http://qz.com/41749/apple-refuses-to-make-the-one-mobile-device-taking-over-the-world-but-not-for-long/
Jan 09 21:47:20 <g00s> a few trends are mentioned; one being that phones are being used less and less for voice
Jan 09 21:48:26 <g00s> 1 device over 2 for 3g upgrade cycles; less cost than owning a tablet + phone (important for emerging markets) … and if the device has the capability to do something like Ubuntu Phone, where you plug it into a monitor /kb / mouse and its your full fledged machine, its pretty enticing i would think
Jan 09 21:50:44 <Maurits_> I find the claims by barclays a bit laughable
Jan 09 21:51:37 <Maurits_> even if the galaxy note (II) sold much better than expected
Jan 09 21:52:08 <g00s> does the developer console stats let me break down by screen size?
Jan 09 21:52:09 <pzero> mViewPager.getChildAt(position).findViewById(R.id.image)) should return the currently instantiated item, right?
Jan 09 21:52:21 <Maurits_> there's still no real reason to extrapolate that into a 70% sustained growth rate over 3 years
Jan 09 21:52:24 <g00s> i can only see by Device
Jan 09 21:53:02 <g00s> the most popular device for my app is the Note
Jan 09 21:53:13 <Maurits_> 3 years is a very long time, I'm pretty skeptical about any claims by analysts
Jan 09 21:53:17 <g00s> i just happen to know thats a Phablet, but i would like to see things broken down better
Jan 09 21:53:36 <Maurits_> especially since they only jumped on the 'omgawd phablets will rule ze world!' bandwagon after the success of the note
Jan 09 21:56:06 <Maurits_> what does your app do?
Jan 09 21:56:09 <g00s> either i'm missing this, or thats a glaringly stupid thing missing from the dev console: i can't see a breakdown of popularity by screen size
Jan 09 22:02:59 <Chronax> g00s: It is missing.
Jan 09 22:03:50 <g00s> Maurits_: one thing i have noticed also, from usability research, is that task completion success rate (or conversion rates for web sites) are worst at smaller form factors and always get better as screen size goes up. this is a "duh" thing, but as people expect more and more out of their mobile device it seems like another factor encouraging "going up in size"
Jan 09 22:04:00 <g00s> Chronax: ok, its not just me. thanks
Jan 09 22:04:51 <Maurits_> g00s: well, the explanations the article you linked to provided are reasonable in my opinion
Jan 09 22:05:04 <Maurits_> it's just that the entire argument is built upon this prediction by barclays
Jan 09 22:05:47 <g00s> ah. well, maybe we'll move beyond flatfland and its all irrelevant ;)
Jan 09 22:05:56 <Maurits_> they also immediately assume the sales success of the note is due to its large screen
Jan 09 22:06:03 <Maurits_> instead of its pen input capabilities
Jan 09 22:06:25 <g00s> i forgot abut the pen; noted
Jan 09 22:06:32 <madprops> i keep getting " emulator-5554 disconnected! Cancelling .. " when trying to run an emulator with a newly created project. i have adb in my path. I have killed and started the server.restarted adb from eclipse. but nothing
Jan 09 22:08:13 <g00s> madprops: try (1) shut down eclipse (2) restart server (3) start eclipse
Jan 09 22:09:09 <bluwhale> Anyone here have some experience with gestures? I need some help. Thank you.
Jan 09 22:13:01 <madprops> g00s: nope, same
Jan 09 22:13:08 <g00s> :(
Jan 09 22:13:59 <g00s> recreate the avd; maybe the emu is borked
Jan 09 22:15:17 <Chronax> SimonVT: Which class would you subclass to add the two FrameLayouts for a tablet vs. phone implementation in menudrawer?
Jan 09 22:16:30 <g00s> is the menudrawer stuff being adopted more these days? safe to assume its here to stay ?
Jan 09 22:16:40 <g00s> i've only seen it in a few apps
Jan 09 22:17:49 <Chronax> Yeah, it seems to be.
Jan 09 22:18:07 <Chronax> Having a tough time figuring out exactly what needs to be subclassed and if the FrameLayouts are for the drawer and the main content area here. ;)
Jan 09 22:18:33 <madprops> g00s: nope recreating the adv didn't work :/
Jan 09 22:26:53 <greatjustice> So before I try to address I problem might not have, how does android do framebuffer synchronization to alleviate the pitfalls of mismatched application framerate and display refresh rate?
Jan 09 22:27:29 <evident> if I create a strings.xml for another language, does it have to contain all strings from the default strings.xml? Or will strings that don't exist there be taken from the default file?
Jan 09 22:27:57 <greatjustice> evident: you are correct
Jan 09 22:28:15 <evident> Last one? Or first one? :D
Jan 09 22:28:28 <evanc> evident: it will fall back on the default language
Jan 09 22:28:33 <greatjustice> The second. The system will sub default
Jan 09 22:28:34 <evident> ok thank you!
Jan 09 22:30:05 <pzero> can someone please point me in the right direction? I'm just trying to access an imageview from inside a viewpager in the onPageChangeListener. I'm trying to getChildAt(position).findViewById(R.id.image) but that seems not to be the imageview I wanted.
Jan 09 22:31:46 <pzero> http://pastie.org/5657662
Jan 09 22:32:11 <pzero> line 15 isn't accessing what i expected it to
Jan 09 22:33:27 <Maurits_> pzero: what's the layout of the pages?
Jan 09 22:34:30 <pzero> its a frame layout with an imageview inside.
Jan 09 22:35:08 <Maurits_> with the id image I suppose
Jan 09 22:35:12 <pzero> yes sir
Jan 09 22:35:44 <Maurits_> should be okay, dunno what will happen if you have multiple things with the same id on-screen
Jan 09 22:36:01 <greatjustice> I may be wrong, but are your parentheses right? You may need to wrap the whole thing in paren then cast
Jan 09 22:36:59 <pzero> worth a try, one sec : )
Jan 09 22:37:16 <pzero> nope : (
Jan 09 22:37:20 <Maurits_> no, those should be allright, wouldn't explain the error you get anyway
Jan 09 22:37:46 <Maurits_> I'd simply loop through all the child views of pager.getChildAt(position)
Jan 09 22:37:50 <Maurits_> and print their types
Jan 09 22:38:15 <Maurits_> to see if there are maybe multiple views
Jan 09 22:38:19 <pzero> it's the correct type, just not the one displayed on screen.
Jan 09 22:38:28 <Maurits_> ah...
Jan 09 22:39:12 <Chainfire> for some reason I keep wanting to call layout fields <class><name> (btnEdit) and non-layout fields <name><class> (wifiManager) it's driving me crazy. There's bound to be some guidelines on this somewhere ...
Jan 09 22:39:14 <pzero> at least i assume so… because any methods that should visibly change it don't.
Jan 09 22:39:30 <pzero> but the class is correct, for sure.
Jan 09 22:39:30 <Maurits_> well, I don't know about that assumption
Jan 09 22:40:32 <pzero> sorry, i meant i was assuming that it was not the displayed object. i know for sure that it's the correct type
Jan 09 22:40:40 <pzero> i already printed it's class out before casting it, in a test.
Jan 09 22:42:21 <Maurits_> looking at the API, one sec
Jan 09 22:42:26 <erkangur> guys, is it possible to do activity transition animation but without animating the actionbar?
Jan 09 22:42:45 <canadiancow> animate something other than the activity
Jan 09 22:42:51 <canadiancow> like a fragment
Jan 09 22:43:01 <canadiancow> but i dont like where this is going
Jan 09 22:43:04 <canadiancow> are you trying to copy ios?
Jan 09 22:43:08 <Maurits_> I think what may be it is the fact that getChildAt is a method inherited from ViewGroup
Jan 09 22:43:24 <Maurits_> not defined by ViewPager itself
Jan 09 22:43:57 <Maurits_> so what you're getting is the n'th view in the hierarchy, not the view corresponding to page n
Jan 09 22:44:27 <pzero> ahhh
Jan 09 22:44:41 <pzero> that makes perfect sense
Jan 09 22:45:20 <erkangur> canadiancow: no it is just in my navigation hierarchy, it is much easier to use an activity, i am trying to do slide in from top animation but activity passes over the action bar which is not seem well
Jan 09 22:46:53 <canadiancow> why do you want to sldie in from the top
Jan 09 22:47:03 <canadiancow> your app will be very jarring for users if you dont use default transitions
Jan 09 22:47:40 <madprops> what is the atom image for?
Jan 09 22:47:56 <bluwhale> Gahh! I can't for the life of me figure out how to register vertical gestures. I spent all day on this :'(
Jan 09 22:48:02 <erkangur> canadiancow: I completely agree with you
Jan 09 22:48:14 <Maurits_> pzero: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6807262/get-focused-view-from-viewpager
Jan 09 22:48:34 <Maurits_> the answer by Michael G. seems to be the proper way to do it
Jan 09 22:48:49 <erkangur> canadiancow: we need to kill all manager that hire designers that does not know the design guidelines.
Jan 09 22:49:15 <pzero> thank you so much Maurits_, ill try this out
Jan 09 22:49:18 <Orbital_sFear> is it possible to scope string names in strings.xml, so the usage would be something like: R.string.scope.commonly_used_name
Jan 09 22:49:45 <Maurits_> np
Jan 09 22:50:05 <Orbital_sFear> right now I'm forced to prepend my activity name to my string names, which seems clunky
Jan 09 22:50:38 <greatjustice> I'm confused about your goal
Jan 09 22:51:04 <Trinity> man do i hate in app billing, getting an empty signature now -.-
Jan 09 22:51:05 <Orbital_sFear> I have a bunch of strings in my strings.xml which pertain to a specific activity
Jan 09 22:51:15 <greatjustice> Okay.
Jan 09 22:51:24 <Maurits_> Orbital_sFear: why would you need scoping at all? the string id is supposed to be a represenation of its content
Jan 09 22:51:33 <Orbital_sFear> so I'd like to scope/group those, so I can use simple names else where
Jan 09 22:51:48 <Maurits_> Orbital_sFear: ie, whether you use it in Activity A or B, R.string.login should contain "Login" or "Inloggen"
Jan 09 22:52:00 <Maurits_> for english and dutch respectively
Jan 09 22:52:02 <Orbital_sFear> Maurits_: well right, but I have a huge android app, and many of the string values are used in one place, so it gets messy
Jan 09 22:52:04 <madprops> is the atom image needed to boot an emulator or is the sdk sufficient?
Jan 09 22:52:48 <Maurits_> I don't really know of a way to scope strings, you could build your own mechanism
Jan 09 22:52:55 <greatjustice> Use line breaks/comments? Lol
Jan 09 22:53:05 <Orbital_sFear> thats what I figured, right now I just prepend the name of the activity to the string name
Jan 09 22:53:09 <Maurits_> I mean, it'd take some time, but it's probably quicker than renaming everything
Jan 09 22:53:11 <Orbital_sFear> it works, its just not very clean
Jan 09 22:53:40 <Maurits_> imo, the cleanest way would be to simply name the strings by the text they contain
Jan 09 22:53:42 <erkangur> canadiancow: I want to ask this: We are writing a major app for Turkish biggest technology company, and this company hired some Korean company that hired a Turkish studio to do the job, but the design of the app is from a European company that is seemingly no idea of what is iOS or Android Design Guideline is. It forces me to do ugly things, ugly UI implementations which leads double triple quadruple face palms each day.  Is it the same in your cou
Jan 09 22:53:42 <erkangur> ntry too?
Jan 09 22:53:48 <Maurits_> rather than where they're used
Jan 09 22:53:54 <Maurits_> but if you have a huge app that may take days
Jan 09 22:54:10 <Orbital_sFear> it would
Jan 09 22:54:17 <canadiancow> erkangur, so your problem is that you have too many levels of management
Jan 09 22:54:23 <anelrh26_> Since you're the best on Android, Does somebody here face this crash Exception class android.content.res.Resources$NotFoundException /Source method Resources.getValue() ?
Jan 09 22:54:28 <Orbital_sFear> honestly I don't care, its just murder for the graphic designer that is trying to maintain this thing
Jan 09 22:54:30 <canadiancow> i worked for a company that was hired by a company that was hired by a company to write an app
Jan 09 22:54:36 <Orbital_sFear> scope would make his life way easier
Jan 09 22:54:38 <canadiancow> so when i saw stupidt hings, it took too long to fight back
Jan 09 22:54:43 <Orbital_sFear> thanks for the help
Jan 09 22:54:47 <canadiancow> but i absolutely did send the emails saying "this is not how android works"
Jan 09 22:54:51 <canadiancow> just to create a paper trail
Jan 09 22:55:51 <greatjustice> So before I try to address I problem might not have, how does android do framebuffer synchronization to alleviate the pitfalls of mismatched application framerate and display refresh rate?
Jan 09 22:56:31 <greatjustice> Naive flip is obviously crap, so is there anything I need to do wrt the refresh rate
Jan 09 22:56:48 <Maurits_> ehm, that depends on the version of android iirc
Jan 09 22:56:57 <erkangur> I think they create that extra bunch of people bodies between developer and the decision center, just to prevent communication. My email should travel 3 countries -probably 5to10 people- to get the decision center.
Jan 09 22:58:28 <greatjustice> Any more info on that? Having a hard time finding stuff on the goog
Jan 09 22:59:53 <JesusFreke> greatjustice: I don't know much. but I know there was a lot of related work in jellybean
Jan 09 22:59:57 <qasd> is information always exchanged between components via intents?
Jan 09 23:00:23 <JesusFreke> qasd: not always. You could bind to a service. or access a content provider
Jan 09 23:00:40 <JesusFreke> but an intent is a common way
Jan 09 23:01:24 <greatjustice> qasd: its by far best practice. Or you could extend Application and use data stored in it or accessory class to exchange between activities
Jan 09 23:02:03 <JesusFreke> oh, yeah. if you're talking about exchanging data within the same application
Jan 09 23:02:14 <JesusFreke> I thought you were asking about inter-application
Jan 09 23:03:05 <Trinity> anyone know how long it takes for the majority of Google Servers to update?
Jan 09 23:03:12 <Trinity> or just a rough estimate
Jan 09 23:03:33 <JesusFreke> somewhere between 1 second and a year
Jan 09 23:06:12 <evanc> your question makes no sense, Trinity
Jan 09 23:07:33 <canadiancow> update what
Jan 09 23:44:32 <Steevca> When i want to resize an image from HDPI to MDPI how much precentage should i resize ?
Jan 09 23:45:20 <Trinity> steevca: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Jan 09 23:47:09 <Steevca> Ok,but i have a bunch of images that all all different size.
Jan 09 23:47:24 <Steevca> And all are to big for MDPI screen.
Jan 09 23:47:56 <Steevca> I just need to resize them,and that is not the problem,i just don't know how much. I got an info about 66%.
Jan 09 23:48:49 <Zharf> I believe bitmap or some other class provided such resizing...
Jan 09 23:49:57 <Zharf> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Bitmap.html#getScaledHeight(int)
Jan 09 23:50:54 <greatjustice> Steevca: 3:4:6:8 ratios for ldpi:mdpi:hdpi:xhdpi
Jan 09 23:54:11 <Trinity> best to read docs, will save you a whole shitload of headaches later
Jan 09 23:54:13 <Trinity> 01-09 15:47:27.310: D/BillingService(10165): Signature: NDZVZwk44amo68093btu2/g/lYshXTKPK2x/XU93yZIH9qmMUqcQtJ6M0CvBASGrG1PwoIML7vGU2I5KDOfraKC2tcQ2B0TKvUTlC4QBzyclz1iVJfQzrc110WZ4axmtVHHsHNxrgFlcsDFltNmbcc43HCIRYSOwNJbLYFeUSqJWmM/bX6eHI3WCh6s591ArIW1DzApRowP5Fn7hBAhREhWcn1GINMkXjLC0XOkfvLyifMI3vc2Lsp4Olq1lGfj4nhYkUxokXGh0cLOc+WeKfHLVqEGR7xbSGSm2PaJQcmnoWHov9JG1YH1LyXeyj4dogpAjOCG9Yzw30laxrmiNrw==
Jan 09 23:54:14 <Trinity> opps
Jan 09 23:54:48 <Steevca> Yup,it was 66%.
Jan 09 23:55:23 <Steevca> There are some like statusbar that was 1px shorter but that is not the problem,most of them are correct size.
Jan 09 23:56:00 <Steevca> I don't know is this the chanell for it,but i am porting a miui theme. Sorry if wrong chanell.
Jan 09 23:56:23 <evanc> not the right channel or chanell
Jan 09 23:56:44 <Steevca> Sorry.
Jan 10 00:08:40 <sriramramani> https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/res/res/drawable-xhdpi/spinner_focused_holo_dark.9.png <-- why do these 9-png have red color borders in them
Jan 10 00:08:54 <sriramramani> the black ones show the expandable and padding regions
Jan 10 00:08:59 <sriramramani> what does red stand for?
Jan 10 00:18:57 <nicole24> i am using date picker and want to put month names on other language, default is on eng "jan" and so on... advice?
Jan 10 00:22:00 <Maurits_> nicole24: not the default, it adapts to the currently selected locale
Jan 10 00:22:31 <Maurits_> nicole24: ie, if you set the locale to something else than english, it'll localize the month names accordingly
Jan 10 00:23:26 <nicole24> hmm i tried put on some other locale but names are still on eng... sec i will give a link to code...
Jan 10 00:25:57 <Maurits_> I've just tried on my tablet, set my language to something else than english, and I got month names in that other language accordingly
Jan 10 00:27:10 <Maurits_> if you want to force the users locale to something else even though he has another language set, I don't know if that's easily possible
Jan 10 00:27:50 <Maurits_> but I would find it kind of annoying if an app tried to do that even though I have the interface text set to something else
Jan 10 00:28:03 <nicole24> Maurits_ sorry for waiting... http://pastebin.com/RRQU6P5Z
Jan 10 00:29:06 <Maurits_> that doesn't change the locale at all
Jan 10 00:29:25 <Maurits_> again, if the user has set their language to say, japanese
Jan 10 00:29:57 <Maurits_> or lets say dutch, because I don't know if they use the same calendar in japan
Jan 10 00:30:17 <Maurits_> it'll automatically localize the month names to that language
Jan 10 00:30:48 <Maurits_> ie, if I set my language to dutch I'll get 'mrt' instead of 'mar' for march
Jan 10 00:30:58 <nicole24> hmm okay i am now working on avd but later will put app on real device... where to add and what so avd shows names on language i want?
Jan 10 00:30:58 <bankai_> i just downloaded the 'kik' app and it's using this new "ribbon" side menu thing that google plus uses. I really like it, very slick. Wish more people implemented it
Jan 10 00:31:27 <Maurits_> nicole24: simply open the settings app
Jan 10 00:31:42 <Maurits_> and in languages & input set the language
Jan 10 00:34:25 <nicole24> Maurits_ got it now.... its working.... thx :D
Jan 10 00:34:42 <nicole24> i thought we have to do this by programming
Jan 10 00:40:00 <bitHipy> the latest sdk only emulates ARM cpus.. yet i'm reading that x86 is possible
Jan 10 00:40:17 <bitHipy> how can a x86 AVD be created?
Jan 10 00:40:32 <canadiancow> try 4.1
Jan 10 00:40:59 <Chani> anyone know how to get links clickable in the ADT on mac?
Jan 10 00:41:23 <ctate> bitHipy:  "In the Android SDK Manager, make sure you have an x86-based System Image installed for your target Android version. If you do not have an x86 System Image installed, select one in the Android SDK Manager and install it."
Jan 10 00:41:25 <Chani> stuff like "build your first app" - I click and nothing happens. I tried changing hte web browser settings, no luck
Jan 10 00:41:27 <ctate> from the emulator docs page
Jan 10 00:41:34 <ctate> http://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html
Jan 10 00:41:57 <ctate> in general, see the section there headed "Configuring Virtual Machine Acceleration"
Jan 10 00:42:32 <bitHipy> thanks ctate
Jan 10 00:44:58 <Chani> er. is there a way to *stop* running an app, besides turning off usb debugging?
Jan 10 00:46:00 <greatjustice> I guess my question is then if surfaceview unlockcanvasAndPost shows the screen update after it returns, then how is the screen refresh rate working around this drawing frequency?
Jan 10 00:47:11 <bitHipy> Chani: there is an app called "quick kill" or "quick task manager" or something like that, which can do it
Jan 10 00:47:50 <ron_frow_> oi
Jan 10 00:49:35 <Chani> bitHipy: what about stopping it from the computer?
Jan 10 00:50:06 * Chani isn't very familiar with eclipse
Jan 10 00:51:07 <bitHipy> Chani: perhaps "adb shell kill <your apps process id>"
Jan 10 00:51:31 <bitHipy> (caveat- i've not tried that)
Jan 10 00:53:54 <Chani> hmm, maybe.
Jan 10 00:54:11 <Chani> it does seem odd for eclipse to not have a "stop" button, anyways
Jan 10 00:55:03 <bitHipy> well i don't know about eclipse.. I'm a CLI/emacs guy
Jan 10 00:55:35 <ctate> well, it's a little unusual
Jan 10 00:56:03 <ctate> unlike debugging "normal" apps on the same host, when you launch an android app via eclipse/adb, the running app isn't a child process of the shell used to launch it
Jan 10 00:57:22 <ctate> there should at least be a button to disconnect from the app
Jan 10 00:57:32 <ctate> then on the emulator it's of course easy to take it down
Jan 10 00:57:55 <ctate> on recent OSes, bring up recents and swipe-to-kill
Jan 10 00:58:01 <bitHipy> canadiancow: 4.1 does seem like the sweet spot, performance wise.  i see that it has the x86 option, and it hax the graphics accelleration capability
Jan 10 00:58:11 <ctate> on older ones, you can forcibly stop apps via the Manage Applications stuff in Settings
Jan 10 00:58:32 <bitHipy> s/hax/has/
Jan 10 01:00:32 <bitHipy> i'm hoping netflix will run well in a 4.1(API 16) x86 instance
Jan 10 01:01:13 <bitHipy> Netflix is a real drag on my real hardware
Jan 10 01:01:47 <ctate> it might well refuse to run at all
Jan 10 01:01:57 <ctate> iirc Netflix requires certain hardware crypto capabilities
Jan 10 01:03:05 <bitHipy> hmm.. well I know Netflix uses some M$ Silverlight DRM crap
Jan 10 01:05:08 <MercuryTW> Anyone seen a user by the name of GMDynamics around? Is s/he usually in here?
Jan 10 01:05:37 <bitHipy> i suppose I question most whether it works on an x86 -- figuring the Netflix binary is probably compiled for ARM
Jan 10 01:06:31 <ctate> bitHipy:  oh yeah, it probably uses native code.  tch.
Jan 10 01:08:40 <bitHipy> Netflix installed okay
Jan 10 01:10:23 <johnnshi> hi, I am intereseted in the Android WebView rendering architecture, for both hardware and software. Do you guys know who should I talk to?
Jan 10 01:10:32 <johnnshi> or can point me to a webpage?
Jan 10 01:12:15 <ctate> source.android.com  :)
Jan 10 01:13:14 <ctate> what is it that you're actually after?
Jan 10 01:15:00 <greatjustice> love. No wait, power. Oh I can't decide!
Jan 10 01:15:24 <MercuryTW> lol
Jan 10 01:16:15 <bitHipy> the app catalog appears for 1-2 sec. then disappears - anyone else notice that with 4.1 (x86)?
Jan 10 01:16:15 <ctate> "Money will not buy happiness, but it will let you be unhappy in nice places."
Jan 10 01:19:02 <ctate> johnnshi: more precisely, most of the serious guts lives in https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/webkit/+/master/Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/android/
Jan 10 01:20:36 <bitHipy> boooya.. i don't need no stinking app catalog -- simply typing the app name launches it
Jan 10 01:23:10 <bitHipy> damn.. Netflix seems to need ARM, and arm emulation is slow
Jan 10 01:27:12 <tplaner> hey guys, I asked this question earlier, but I'm still struggling with it, here is the relevant code: https://gist.github.com/e988db073c54d8fdbb7d -- the camera works perfectly fine on 8 devices, and on 12 of them the "Done" button after I take a picture doesn't work (all 20 of the devices are identical, bought at same time, identical android versions and model number)
Jan 10 01:27:22 <tplaner> any ideas would be great!
Jan 10 01:37:00 <kbs> tplaner: what does "not work" actually mean?
Jan 10 01:37:27 <tplaner> kbs: when the camera is open, when you press "Done" to finish taking the picture, nothing happens
Jan 10 01:37:36 <tplaner> no crash, nothing in log
Jan 10 01:37:48 <tplaner> also, cancel works just fine
Jan 10 01:37:59 <avocado> i have an intent that gets sent from a preference item like this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html#Intents but the broadcast receiver i set up misses it
Jan 10 01:38:08 <avocado> i get the error "No Activity found to handle Intent"
Jan 10 01:38:16 <avocado> activity minus some stuff http://pastebin.com/gR2ggMxp and the ImportReceiver http://pastebin.com/UU73ZaAx
Jan 10 01:38:23 <kbs> tplaner: do you get the onActivityResult callback to your app?
Jan 10 01:38:33 <tplaner> no
Jan 10 01:38:36 <kbs> tplaner: and I take it, that you're always able to launch the intent successfully?
Jan 10 01:38:57 <tplaner> is there a programatic way to test that?
Jan 10 01:39:19 <tplaner> but, I'm assuming yes since the camera shows on the device
Jan 10 01:39:30 <tplaner> also, mind you it works without fail on 8 out of 20 identical devices
Jan 10 01:39:35 <tplaner> thats whats boggling my mind
Jan 10 01:39:55 <kbs> tplaner: yes to "is there a programatic way" -- and I think you're saying that you're always able to launch the camera app. correct?
Jan 10 01:40:06 <tplaner> yes, I am
Jan 10 01:40:54 <kbs> tplaner: So the one thing I'd test, is whether you're able to succesfully create your cameradir. I've had a great deal of troulbe with getExternalStorage...() calls in general
Jan 10 01:41:30 <tplaner> I thought there might be an issue with that, is there a safer place to store things that I can always read?
Jan 10 01:42:46 <kbs> tplaner: shared file storage can be a bit tricky, as you need the camera app to also be able to write to it, and if you secondarily also want your user to be able to download it conveniently [ie, mount the device as a usb drive]
Jan 10 01:43:32 <kbs> It's also dependent on whether your device is currently mounted -- typically, the externalstorrage() thing is not available if the device is hooked to (say) your laptop, and behaving as a usb drive
Jan 10 01:43:52 <tplaner> interesting
Jan 10 01:44:33 <tplaner> the pictures being taken are just temporary, is there a "temp" file storage on android devices -- even possibly in memory?
Jan 10 01:48:17 <kbs> tplaner: while I haven't tried it myself, you may have luck with Context.getDir() with the WORLD_WRITEABLE flag
Jan 10 01:48:55 <kbs> that should (in theory) put it into your app directory, and let the camera app write to it.
Jan 10 01:51:16 <jreck> EXTRA_OUTPUT doesn't have to be a file, either - you can have the URI point to a content provider
Jan 10 01:52:53 <kbs> ah, that's a neat trick -- didn't realize that.
Jan 10 01:55:54 <madprops> freaking emulator maxes one of my cores
Jan 10 02:04:15 <ctate> madprops: err, yeah?
Jan 10 02:04:21 <ctate> emulation is computationally expensive.
Jan 10 02:06:07 <ctate> x86 AVD considered helpful :)
Jan 10 02:16:03 <voso> hello. anyone here who understands a bit about low level android stuff? I would need some help with UEvents. In particular: I would need help finding how/where/why the samsung s3c video driver (most powerVR GPUs) is sending change@s3cfb UEvents to the android system process (causing terrible things in stock JB on NEXUS devices).
Jan 10 02:16:26 <vadi2> Does anyone know why can't ListView.setItemChecked not be used in conjunction with a CHOICE_MODE_MULTIPLE_MODAL choice mode?
Jan 10 02:20:58 <bitHipy> how common are ARM-only apps?  Is it normal for them to simply hang w/ a black screen when running on an x86?
Jan 10 02:21:32 <bankai_> depends how much native code it uses ...
Jan 10 02:23:54 <osxorgate> is there an easy way to get a button to show 2 lines of text?
Jan 10 02:24:43 <tnzr> 2 text views?
Jan 10 02:24:55 <tnzr> make the button a vertical LinearLayout?
Jan 10 02:26:41 <avocado> if i'm in a different activity, eg PreferencesActivity, how come the intent i send isn't caught by the broadcastreceiver in my main activity?
Jan 10 02:27:07 <osxorgate> apparently a \n suffices
Jan 10 02:27:29 <osxorgate> avocado: depends on how you defined the receiver
Jan 10 02:27:51 <osxorgate> generally one registers it in onResume and unregisters in onPause
Jan 10 02:27:59 <osxorgate> (and since another activity is in front, it's paused)
Jan 10 02:28:12 <osxorgate> or you have to put it in your manifest
Jan 10 02:31:01 <ctate> a manifest receiver (i.e. a <receiver> declared in your app manifest) will be used to launch your app to receive the broadcast.
Jan 10 02:31:08 <avocado> osxorgate: if it's paused, then how do i still listen for those itents?
Jan 10 02:31:14 <ctate> one that is runtime-registered will only be delivered if your app is currently live
Jan 10 02:31:28 <osxorgate> ^ what he said
Jan 10 02:31:29 <avocado> ctate: understood
Jan 10 02:31:33 <ctate> (i.e .while it's registered; when your app goes away it will be automatically deregistered)
Jan 10 02:32:26 <ctate> some broadcasts are explicitly sent only to runtime-registered receivers, i.e. nothing will be launched specifically to catch it
Jan 10 02:32:43 <canadiancow> Intent.ACTION_WAKE_THE_COW
Jan 10 02:33:21 <avocado> thanks, that makes sense
Jan 10 02:33:41 <ctate> the official terminology for these flavors are "manifest receivers" and "registered receivers", fyi.
Jan 10 02:36:08 <canadiancow> really?
Jan 10 02:36:12 <canadiancow> "registered" receivers
Jan 10 02:36:12 <ctate> yes
Jan 10 02:36:25 <ctate> those are the terms of art
Jan 10 02:36:25 <canadiancow> manifest receivers are also registered :(
Jan 10 02:36:31 <ctate> no, they're declared.  ;)
Jan 10 02:36:42 <canadiancow> they're implicitly registered
Jan 10 02:36:43 <canadiancow> !
Jan 10 02:37:00 <canadiancow> i think i have a two letter alias for every command i use related to building this app
Jan 10 02:37:06 <canadiancow> and dealing with source
Jan 10 02:37:14 <ctate> if you didn't call registerReceiver(), it's not a registered receiver!
Jan 10 02:37:20 <canadiancow> disagree
Jan 10 02:37:25 <ctate> by definition
Jan 10 02:37:38 <canadiancow> so where do manifest receivers get registered
Jan 10 02:37:49 <ctate> they don't
Jan 10 02:37:56 <Jug6ernaut> magic ofc
Jan 10 02:37:57 <canadiancow> i dont fully believe you
Jan 10 02:38:08 <canadiancow> i somewhat do, but only becuase your knowledge of the framework >> mine
Jan 10 02:38:22 <ctate> when the package is installed the activity manager is told about them and it stores the info about what manifest receivers exist etc
Jan 10 02:38:34 <Jug6ernaut> boot receivers don't get registered and they work :P
Jan 10 02:38:52 * ctate |  "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
Jan 10 02:39:09 <canadiancow> ctate im actually interested in looking at the code now :P
Jan 10 02:39:15 <canadiancow> but i want to fix my bugs
Jan 10 02:39:36 <ctate> remember that in cases of terminology like this, the overriding consideration is that you have unambiguous and hopefully reasonably clear distinctions of meaning
Jan 10 02:39:51 <ctate> just because the words *can* mean other things in other contexts is distant secondary
Jan 10 02:39:57 <canadiancow> disagree
Jan 10 02:40:09 <ctate> (see also "stress" and "strain," which mean roughly opposite things in physics vs psychology)
Jan 10 02:40:16 <canadiancow> i never realized how often google now updates my "time to home" card until i made that alert make a noise
Jan 10 02:40:43 <ctate> you should give it that submarine dive alarm AWOOOOGA sound
Jan 10 02:41:00 <ctate> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ-xt1hjC1g
Jan 10 02:42:24 <Jug6ernaut> ctate lol
Jan 10 02:42:39 * Jug6ernaut found new text message tone
Jan 10 02:42:51 * Jug6ernaut found new way to annoy ppl at work
Jan 10 02:43:23 <Jug6ernaut> tho its still better then the "ding ding dingily dong" ringtone OMG, why can't that person put there phone on silent? :S
Jan 10 02:43:31 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: better find a new job while you're at it
Jan 10 02:43:45 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Jan 10 02:43:53 <canadiancow> you're at work. you should always have it on silent
Jan 10 02:43:56 <canadiancow> except the nexus 4
Jan 10 02:43:56 * Jug6ernaut wants to apply at rackspace
Jan 10 02:43:57 <canadiancow> ugh
Jan 10 02:44:02 <canadiancow> i cant hear the vibe on n4 :(
Jan 10 02:44:08 <ctate> Jug6ernaut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ13-eccP94
Jan 10 02:44:11 <canadiancow> rackspace? can you get me some free rackspace?
Jan 10 02:44:12 <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow i actually do :), llama ftw
Jan 10 02:44:30 <avocado> ctate: is there something extra i need to put in the manifest for this to work? http://pastebin.com/rnEWkrdS
Jan 10 02:44:53 * ctate |  action android:name="packagename.IMPORT_KEY
Jan 10 02:44:57 <ctate> who sends that broadcast?
Jan 10 02:45:07 <Jug6ernaut> ctate now thats bad lol
Jan 10 02:45:28 <ctate> Jug6ernaut:  from _Our Man Flint,_ used in homage by Austin Powers
Jan 10 02:45:44 <avocado> ctate:    Force finishing activity package/.SettingsActivity
Jan 10 02:45:51 <Jug6ernaut> learn something new every day lol
Jan 10 02:46:50 <Jug6ernaut> force finishing is badd
Jan 10 02:47:23 <ctate> avocado:  seriously, who sends a broadcast with that intent action string?
Jan 10 02:47:38 <ctate> what are you actually trying to accomplish?
Jan 10 02:47:44 <canadiancow> +1
Jan 10 02:47:51 <avocado> ctate: oh, you did not mean literally. it's censored.
Jan 10 02:47:51 <canadiancow> what kind of a name is "packagename"
Jan 10 02:47:56 <canadiancow> LOL
Jan 10 02:48:01 <canadiancow> no
Jan 10 02:48:03 <canadiancow> wat
Jan 10 02:48:10 <ctate> oh, so this is a broadcast that your own app is sending?
Jan 10 02:48:10 <avocado> i don't want to give out my embarrassing package name
Jan 10 02:48:15 <avocado> ctate: yes
Jan 10 02:48:18 <ctate> okay
Jan 10 02:48:30 <canadiancow> you should add a permission to it then
Jan 10 02:48:33 <canadiancow> so other apps cant do it
Jan 10 02:48:37 <ctate> yeah, that's good practice
Jan 10 02:48:38 <canadiancow> also why is it embarassing
Jan 10 02:48:45 <canadiancow> you know links to your app in the play store iwll show it?
Jan 10 02:49:03 <ctate> also, um, it seldom makes sense for an app to send broadcasts to itself, y'know ;)
Jan 10 02:49:03 <avocado> canadiancow: i probably won't put it in the play store, so that's okay
Jan 10 02:49:54 <avocado> ctate: basically, i just want to do an "onclick" for a preference item -_-
Jan 10 02:50:01 <avocado> someone else told me i had to use intents
Jan 10 02:50:11 <avocado> i know no better
Jan 10 02:51:12 <ctate> why bother trying to jerry-rig through faking a click result?  just make the damn preference change directly and be done with it.
Jan 10 02:51:18 <canadiancow> is it unusualy to have 6 google accounts registered on a device
Jan 10 02:51:24 <canadiancow> 5 of which are real
Jan 10 02:51:43 <Jug6ernaut> apparently I'm in the "top 20%" of answers of the "android" tag on sof, i do not take this of showing anything about me, but rather that there are a lot of really stupid ppl out there lol
Jan 10 02:51:53 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 10 02:52:04 <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow i have 4 accounts syncing lol
Jan 10 02:54:51 <avocado> ctate: i will just put it somewhere else that i know how to do :P. i had a preference for a few things, and then i need to import a certificate for a user and also their password for it. the password was in preferences already, i wanted to make an "import from storage" button like in android system settings
Jan 10 02:55:31 <jcrowgey> anyone here have experience with a droid bionic ('targa')?  or can suggest a better room to ask in?  I'm finding things a bit strange when rebooting to recovery after flashing a custom recovery.
Jan 10 02:56:13 <canadiancow> i'd suggest calling the company from whom you purchased it, or the manufacturer
Jan 10 02:56:22 <jcrowgey> canadiancow, that's funny.
Jan 10 02:56:52 <canadiancow> oh sorry
Jan 10 02:56:53 <jcrowgey> maybe i should be more explicit, i'm in the process of removing the software provided by the company or manufacturer, i don't think they want to help with this.
Jan 10 02:56:57 <canadiancow> i stopped reading after "rebooting"
Jan 10 02:57:03 <canadiancow> #android-root
Jan 10 02:57:06 <canadiancow> #cyanogenmod
Jan 10 02:57:08 <canadiancow> something like that
Jan 10 02:57:34 <jcrowgey> okie-dokie, i'll give those a try.  many thanks!
Jan 10 02:58:10 <canadiancow> oh crap its late
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