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Jan 10 03:05:06 <greatjustice> Okay I'm hoping to get this answered once and for all. The docs say when surfaceHolder.unlockCanvasAndPost returns, the screen is updated. But does it return immediately? Or does it wait until the device is ready for the next frame?
Jan 10 03:05:29 <greatjustice> As in defers to the refresh rate
Jan 10 03:07:03 <iqbalkhan> Excuse me all
Jan 10 03:07:28 <greatjustice> Youre excused
Jan 10 03:07:31 <iqbalkhan> i want to make listview, but not use Activity, i want use Fragment
Jan 10 03:07:48 <iqbalkhan> And the listview not vertical but display horizontal
Jan 10 03:08:06 <iqbalkhan> And i will put the fragment on the activity
Jan 10 03:08:33 <iqbalkhan> greatjustice:thank you
Jan 10 03:08:36 <iqbalkhan> :)
Jan 10 03:10:27 <iqbalkhan> Anyone can give me some enlightenment..??
Jan 10 03:23:54 <ron_frow_> oi
Jan 10 03:24:12 <ron_frow_> let me seee that THoooOOOOooOOONG BABY that THONG THONG THONG THONG THONG
Jan 10 03:25:27 <lighthazard> Hey, the cursor is always not on the UI thread right?
Jan 10 03:25:41 <Jug6ernaut> i don't think u should say that here, u will most likely be disappointed/disturbed
Jan 10 03:25:56 <lighthazard> Like if I'm using a cursor to update my listview and then I add it, it runs as an asynctask?
Jan 10 03:26:19 <Jug6ernaut> while i have nothing to back me up i doubt it
Jan 10 03:26:43 <Jug6ernaut> i mean if your interacting with the cursor how is it magically going to hope onto another thread?
Jan 10 03:29:54 <lighthazard> Jug6ernaut: Magic, duh
Jan 10 03:30:32 <lighthazard> I thought that was the point of the URI thing?
Jan 10 03:58:57 <osxorgate> scumbag maps v2 api: i tell it to move to lat/long, it moves to really-close-to-lat/long
Jan 10 03:59:30 <Maziz> hi all
Jan 10 03:59:40 <Maziz> osxorgate: any hacks to use maps v2 api on emulator?
Jan 10 03:59:57 <osxorgate> Maziz: i havent used emu in a year, and im quite happy with it
Jan 10 04:00:18 <Maziz> i see
Jan 10 04:52:03 <spifff> I'm trying to use setLayerType(LAYER_TYPE_SOFTARE, null) to disable hardware acceleration on a webview for ICS devices as I was hoping that might work around issues with font rendering webkit seems to have when composited layers are used, but it doesn't seem to have any effect...
Jan 10 04:52:31 <spifff> it seems webkit rendering has taken some huge steps backwards between GB and ICS...
Jan 10 04:52:50 <xorgate> i think there's also a setting that forces gpu
Jan 10 05:33:05 <beastmanrage> hi guys
Jan 10 05:33:37 <beastmanrage> its my undertanding opengl es 2 is strictly for rendering the images, does that mean all game logic will still need to be handled in java?
Jan 10 05:35:29 <dragorn> opengl is a 3d api, correct
Jan 10 05:35:45 <mh35> Hello.
Jan 10 05:35:53 <ron_frow_> it could be c++ but yes what you are looking for is opengl isnt the actual code necessarily at all
Jan 10 05:36:33 <mh35> I want to visualize audio, and I'm using MediaPlayer and Visualizer.
Jan 10 05:37:06 <mh35> But Visualizer is affected by MediaPlayer.setVolume. Can I avoid from it?
Jan 10 05:37:24 <mh35> Hello.
Jan 10 05:37:43 <mh35> I'm using API level 15.
Jan 10 05:39:07 <mh35> Hello.
Jan 10 05:39:18 <ron_frow_> repeating will get you nowhere
Jan 10 05:39:20 <ron_frow_> I assure yout aht
Jan 10 05:44:27 <mh35> Hello.
Jan 10 05:50:43 <superlinux-hp> mh35, you will have to make your own animation then
Jan 10 05:50:51 <superlinux-hp> mh35, got me?
Jan 10 05:51:17 <superlinux-hp> make a custom view.. and fill it with whatever
Jan 10 05:52:18 <mh35> I cannot understand what you say. I implemented a custom view, and it worked if the volume was (1.0, 1.0)
Jan 10 05:53:20 <mh35> But if the volume was (0.0, 0.0), it resulted the value was fixed.
Jan 10 05:53:23 <superlinux-hp> mh35, just make it like this logic: while MediaPlayer is playing run a custom view
Jan 10 05:54:03 <superlinux-hp> it's a custom view.. has nothing to do with media player
Jan 10 05:54:37 <superlinux-hp> but you just make this relationship thru that condition
Jan 10 05:55:05 <mh35> Are there any examples?
Jan 10 05:55:39 <superlinux-hp> so in code : while ( mediaplayer.isplaying()) invalidate
Jan 10 05:56:31 <superlinux-hp> and this has to be in a thread  so to let the custom view run smoothly.
Jan 10 05:56:39 <mh35> I see.
Jan 10 05:56:48 <superlinux-hp> mh35, ok great
Jan 10 05:56:59 <superlinux-hp> so in code :
Jan 10 05:58:25 <mh35> I'm using Visualizer.setDataCaptureListener, and onFftDataCapture makes the custom view update.
Jan 10 05:59:11 <superlinux-hp> Thread t = new Thread(){ void run(){ while (mediaplayer.isplaying()) {myview. invalidate()} } } ; t.start();
Jan 10 05:59:34 <pragma-> useless use of t
Jan 10 05:59:43 <superlinux-hp> mh35, i don't know the Visualizer class
Jan 10 05:59:47 <superlinux-hp> pragma-, why?
Jan 10 05:59:58 <pragma-> also, horrible busy-loop
Jan 10 06:00:37 <superlinux-hp> well.. how would you check for media player if it's playing?
Jan 10 06:00:59 <superlinux-hp> or yeah
Jan 10 06:02:13 <QubeZ> hello all
Jan 10 06:02:20 <superfluous> so....what version of java is running on android 2.2?
Jan 10 06:02:22 <superlinux-hp> otherwise is if you run mediaplayer.. make the custom view always invalidate itself thru checking the flag
Jan 10 06:02:33 <QubeZ> For those of you using SQLite in your apps, do you use the auto_vacuum pragma?
Jan 10 06:02:49 <ron_frow_> I dont
Jan 10 06:02:52 <ron_frow_> because thats how I ROLL
Jan 10 06:02:59 <mh35> I'm using two MediaPlayer instances, and one MediaPlayer instance volume is 1.0, and the other's one is 0.0.
Jan 10 06:03:07 <QubeZ> ron_frow_: hah nice
Jan 10 06:03:28 <pragma-> superfluous: none
Jan 10 06:03:32 <mh35> 1.0 MediaPlayer displays visualization, but 0.0 does not
Jan 10 06:03:34 <superfluous> right, its dalvik
Jan 10 06:04:14 <superfluous> i'm the iOS guy, but the android guy seems to be having problems with @Override on 2.2, and he asked me to look into java versions and such
Jan 10 06:04:21 <superlinux-hp> pragma-, when are we going to be allowed to use jave 7?
Jan 10 06:04:43 <superlinux-hp> it's really annoying! i love using switch statement
Jan 10 06:04:51 <ron_frow_> 1.6
Jan 10 06:05:01 <ron_frow_> superfluous - nice
Jan 10 06:05:06 <ron_frow_> good sign of a great android guy=)
Jan 10 06:05:14 <pragma-> uh, java has switch before 7
Jan 10 06:05:28 <superfluous> ron_frow_: he doesnt speak english that great
Jan 10 06:05:33 <ron_frow_> ahh
Jan 10 06:05:35 <ron_frow_> even more fun
Jan 10 06:05:40 <superlinux-hp> pragma-, no.. the switch statement is weak in 1.6
Jan 10 06:05:49 <superfluous> i'm the only native english speaker on the team :D
Jan 10 06:06:13 <superfluous> but there shouldn't be a problem using @Override on 2.2 as far as anyone here knows?
Jan 10 06:06:13 <ron_frow_> I had some time working in person with some of the htc android teams back in the day
Jan 10 06:06:14 <superlinux-hp> it just does the switch on int and booleans and enums only
Jan 10 06:06:17 <ron_frow_> it was... interesting
Jan 10 06:06:37 <ron_frow_> I'm white bread american, dont speak any languages that would be useful communicating
Jan 10 06:06:49 <superfluous> yeah except English lol
Jan 10 06:06:55 <superlinux-hp> LOL!
Jan 10 06:07:11 <ron_frow_> wll the english was... say something... and watch blank faces
Jan 10 06:07:14 <superlinux-hp> well i am an arab.. i know languages from here and there
Jan 10 06:07:18 <superfluous> oohh
Jan 10 06:07:33 <ron_frow_> or nods and then try to guess if they actually understood what you were saying
Jan 10 06:07:33 <ron_frow_> haha
Jan 10 06:07:36 <superlinux-hp> of course i know english as my main second language
Jan 10 06:07:50 <ron_frow_> I can speak english, spanish, and enough german to get me slapped
Jan 10 06:07:54 <pragma-> "main second"
Jan 10 06:07:55 <superlinux-hp> but i know words or sentences from other languages
Jan 10 06:08:01 <ron_frow_> BURRITO
Jan 10 06:08:04 <ron_frow_> CHIMICHANGA
Jan 10 06:08:09 <ron_frow_> haha
Jan 10 06:08:21 <pragma-> silencio pendejo
Jan 10 06:08:49 <superfluous> I'll admit to being decent at Japanese
Jan 10 06:09:02 <superlinux-hp> pragma-, i mean the first foreign language i would think of using
Jan 10 06:09:19 <pragma-> "foreign"
Jan 10 06:09:29 <superlinux-hp> yes
Jan 10 06:09:32 <ron_frow_> I took japanese on rosetta stone... and I gotta say, they show you the little stick figure houses and shit
Jan 10 06:09:34 <superlinux-hp> I am an arab
Jan 10 06:09:35 <pragma-> english is not foreign anywhere.
Jan 10 06:09:36 <ron_frow_> and say a word
Jan 10 06:09:40 <pragma-> it is the language of earth.
Jan 10 06:10:11 <ron_frow_> its one of those languages I don tthink I could learn unless i twas my first language
Jan 10 06:10:17 <superfluous> i know japanese well enough for a large japanese company to hire me full time and put me on a team of 30+ no-english japanese people
Jan 10 06:10:20 <superlinux-hp> to us arabs it's a foreign language.
Jan 10 06:10:21 <superfluous> so i think its well enough
Jan 10 06:10:22 <ron_frow_> at least cyrillics seem to have SOME familliar characters =)
Jan 10 06:11:39 <superlinux-hp> the language of the earth , like someone said, is SEX LOL
Jan 10 06:11:46 <mh35> I usually speak Japanese.
Jan 10 06:13:26 <canadiancow> pragma-, english or american?
Jan 10 06:14:48 <pragma-> The queen's english is silly.
Jan 10 06:14:50 <trinity> superlinux-hp: wrong, food and sex
Jan 10 06:15:17 <superlinux-hp> trinity, oh true! i forgot about food. yummmmmm
Jan 10 06:15:50 <superlinux-hp> yum.. not apt-get (debian linux pun)
Jan 10 06:15:51 <MercuryTW> anyone here eaver heard of a user named GMDynamics?
Jan 10 06:16:09 <superlinux-hp> nope
Jan 10 06:16:25 <beastmanrage> if i have plans for a cross platform game, should i stick with opengl and java
Jan 10 06:16:39 <beastmanrage> ill have to rewrite all the java game logic though, right?
Jan 10 06:16:39 <MercuryTW> beast, what kind of game?
Jan 10 06:16:45 <superfluous> well awesome, we're using a small, unknown json parsing library..this will end well
Jan 10 06:16:47 <beastmanrage> 3d rts
Jan 10 06:17:03 <MercuryTW> cool cool. Have you heard of HaXe?
Jan 10 06:17:04 <superlinux-hp> pragma-, i think you should learn arabic or french as your other language.
Jan 10 06:17:10 <beastmanrage> nope
Jan 10 06:17:13 <MercuryTW> check it out
Jan 10 06:17:33 <beastmanrage> looks insane
Jan 10 06:17:36 <beastmanrage> but is it bloated?
Jan 10 06:17:36 <superfluous> So, it doesnt have to do with @Override at all
Jan 10 06:18:00 <superfluous> they made a new keyword... @PropertyName("input here")
Jan 10 06:18:08 <beastmanrage> ill look into it
Jan 10 06:18:14 <MercuryTW> I've got a friend who worked for some big name companies and he's all about it
Jan 10 06:18:14 <superfluous> I dont know that much about java...but is there any reason doing something like that would fail in 2.2?
Jan 10 06:18:19 <beastmanrage> anyone have experience with the libgdx?
Jan 10 06:18:45 <MercuryTW> apparently, HaXe's code generator is smart enough to generate very nicely optimized code so i hear
Jan 10 06:18:54 <trinity> beastmanrage: #libgdx
Jan 10 06:19:01 <beastmanrage> nice
Jan 10 06:19:09 <trinity> oh
Jan 10 06:19:10 <trinity> didnt see that
Jan 10 06:19:25 <trinity> ;), use libgdx, web + desktop + android
Jan 10 06:19:32 <beastmanrage> no iphone?
Jan 10 06:19:42 <trinity> i heard they were working on it
Jan 10 06:20:22 <beastmanrage> i might just shoot for my own engine right now for experience, but im reading all this opengl stuff and i was wondering wheres the actual game logic go?
Jan 10 06:20:35 <MercuryTW> what do you mean?
Jan 10 06:20:43 <beastmanrage> opengl to me feels like the final step in the process
Jan 10 06:20:52 <MercuryTW> OpenGL is an application-agnostic 3D rendering system
Jan 10 06:21:03 <trinity> beastmanrage: Beginning Android Games - Mario Zechner
Jan 10 06:21:10 <MercuryTW> ^ great book
Jan 10 06:21:14 <trinity> 2 frameworks included, with good documentary
Jan 10 06:21:16 <beastmanrage> well ill order it then
Jan 10 06:21:19 <trinity> if you need help, #android-games
Jan 10 06:21:24 <beastmanrage> i bought the one from munshi
Jan 10 06:21:50 <beastmanrage> question, do you guys make games?
Jan 10 06:21:56 <MercuryTW> yep
Jan 10 06:22:00 <canadiancow> i used to
Jan 10 06:22:01 <beastmanrage> as an employee?
Jan 10 06:22:05 <canadiancow> yes
Jan 10 06:22:09 <MercuryTW> yeah
Jan 10 06:22:10 <beastmanrage> is it good money?
Jan 10 06:22:15 <MercuryTW> one second...
Jan 10 06:22:19 <canadiancow> if you're good, any android job is good money
Jan 10 06:22:25 <canadiancow> if you're not good, no job is good money
Jan 10 06:22:31 <MercuryTW> http://archives.igda.org/breakingin/home.htm  this
Jan 10 06:22:33 <canadiancow> well thats not true
Jan 10 06:22:33 <beastmanrage> im an EE about to finish one more semester, but i love this shit
Jan 10 06:22:48 <MercuryTW> http://archives.igda.org/breakingin/path_programming.htm    and the salary
Jan 10 06:23:04 <beastmanrage> well maybe ill stick to the hobby
Jan 10 06:23:13 <MercuryTW> it's tough to break into
Jan 10 06:23:21 <MercuryTW> you need to know people
Jan 10 06:23:23 <trinity> beastmanrage: I heard horrible stories about corporate game programmers
Jan 10 06:23:31 <MercuryTW> ^ depends on the studio
Jan 10 06:23:44 <beastmanrage> yea thats what i was wondering, do you sit in a cubicle all day and slave
Jan 10 06:24:00 <trinity> yea definetely on the studio, but majority requires you to be a complete nerd, work long hours, and become a machine
Jan 10 06:24:25 <trinity> most studios are looking for programmers who have 0 social life
Jan 10 06:24:28 <MercuryTW> the bottom line is you have to know the corporate culture before you apply to work somewhere
Jan 10 06:24:38 <beastmanrage> trinity, thats crazty
Jan 10 06:24:52 <beastmanrage> doesnt that just sap the creativity out of people
Jan 10 06:25:12 <MercuryTW> tbh that can be said of any software engineering job in general
Jan 10 06:25:36 <MercuryTW> not just gaming
Jan 10 06:25:48 <beastmanrage> so is anyone a free lancer with a bomb app?
Jan 10 06:26:21 <canadiancow> ive never worked anywhere that required "slavery"
Jan 10 06:26:27 <KaosMcRage> is it generally bad (stylistically or otherwise) for your main activity (or any activity?) to implement a bunch of interfaces like OnClickListener, OnFocusChangeListener, etc. rather than subclassing them?
Jan 10 06:26:29 <canadiancow> and that "high" salary is pretty low
Jan 10 06:27:08 <MercuryTW> yeah it doesn't pay as much as banking or the algorithmic trading
Jan 10 06:27:18 <canadiancow> no i mean for gaming
Jan 10 06:27:20 <trinity> canadiancow: that's cause youre talented enough to be wanted by "creative" studios
Jan 10 06:27:24 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 10 06:27:25 <canadiancow> :)
Jan 10 06:27:27 <MercuryTW> I know.
Jan 10 06:27:31 <beastmanrage> if you guys developed an app that got to a point where it could explode, how would you expand?
Jan 10 06:27:35 <trinity> aka, Google.
Jan 10 06:27:39 <trinity> flagship for creativity
Jan 10 06:27:59 <trinity> beatmanrage: i'd prefer to think about that when it explodes ;)
Jan 10 06:28:10 <MercuryTW> gaming is about working with awesome people doing awesome stuff. not so much the pay
Jan 10 06:28:36 <trinity> ^ point++
Jan 10 06:28:37 <beastmanrage> very true, i have a hard time creating things for the money of it anyways
Jan 10 06:28:39 <canadiancow> if you're working for a company with more than like 5 people, it's not going to be "awesome people doing awesome stuff"
Jan 10 06:28:41 <canadiancow> unless it's google
Jan 10 06:28:42 <beastmanrage> i dont think my brain would work
Jan 10 06:29:03 <MercuryTW> Valve is supposed to be nirvana to work at
Jan 10 06:29:24 <trinity> I feel bad for the devs of Battlefield 3
Jan 10 06:29:29 <MercuryTW> If you ever feel like feeling jealous, check out their new employee manual. it's publicly available
Jan 10 06:29:31 <beastmanrage> no kidding^
Jan 10 06:30:10 <trinity> MercuryTW: don't need to. I've already seen heaven for programmers. http://www.google.com/about/jobs/lifeatgoogle/
Jan 10 06:30:32 <canadiancow> disagree
Jan 10 06:30:39 <canadiancow> you can't tell how the environment is until you've been there
Jan 10 06:30:40 <beastmanrage> you guys wouldnt know if they did EE internships at google?
Jan 10 06:30:43 <canadiancow> the people are everything
Jan 10 06:30:46 <canadiancow> beastmanrage, they do
Jan 10 06:30:52 <canadiancow> google.com/jobs
Jan 10 06:30:58 <beastmanrage> that would be awesome.
Jan 10 06:31:41 <\n> 03:27:07     osxorgate | apparently a \n suffices
Jan 10 06:31:42 <\n> wat
Jan 10 06:32:49 <canadiancow> if you seriously think that message was for you, you probably shouldn't be here
Jan 10 06:32:54 <canadiancow> and if you're making a joke, it's not funny
Jan 10 06:33:55 <Ologn> If you have the time and skills, I think it is very easy to carve out a $100k a year business right now
Jan 10 06:34:25 <trinity> Ologn: are you talking about a self-employed business?
Jan 10 06:34:29 <Ologn> trinity, yes
Jan 10 06:34:52 <canadiancow> if you have the time and skills, you can do much better than 100k
Jan 10 06:35:07 <trinity> it all comes down to one thing, passion.
Jan 10 06:35:09 <Ologn> canadiancow, sure.  I'm being conservative.
Jan 10 06:35:18 <trinity> passion -> success in any area
Jan 10 06:35:39 <trinity> and CDC - Concentration, dedication, confidence
Jan 10 06:35:56 <canadiancow> centers for disease control?
Jan 10 06:35:56 <mh35> Thank you.
Jan 10 06:36:06 <beastmanrage> trinity -> Tony Robbins
Jan 10 06:36:11 <Ologn> trinity - and also reflection, insights
Jan 10 06:36:31 <beastmanrage> and endurance
Jan 10 06:37:12 <beastmanrage> any Google emps in here I can add to my application?
Jan 10 06:37:23 <trinity> lol
Jan 10 06:37:31 <beastmanrage> :-D
Jan 10 06:37:33 <canadiancow> so i believe they want google employees you KNOW
Jan 10 06:37:52 <canadiancow> honestly, the best you're going to get is "he came on irc and bothered me about getting a job"
Jan 10 06:37:52 <beastmanrage> a brief introduction should suffice
Jan 10 06:38:05 <beastmanrage> haha
Jan 10 06:38:11 <Maziz> lol
Jan 10 06:38:23 <canadiancow> or "i saw him in #android-dev at least once"
Jan 10 06:38:33 <canadiancow> but honestly, im in here all the time
Jan 10 06:38:33 <trinity> automatic - "distraction for other employees do not hire"
Jan 10 06:38:36 <canadiancow> and i have no idea who you are
Jan 10 06:38:39 <beastmanrage> yea right, ive been creeping in and out of here for years
Jan 10 06:38:41 <canadiancow> or if you know anything
Jan 10 06:38:53 <parco> ring a bell?
Jan 10 06:38:56 <canadiancow> no
Jan 10 06:38:59 <parco> pssht
Jan 10 06:39:00 <trinity> pwnstamp.
Jan 10 06:39:14 <canadiancow> i remember pragma- from like 3.5 years ago helping me out with a viewgroup
Jan 10 06:39:23 <canadiancow> or you know what, that would have been 2.5 years ago
Jan 10 06:39:33 <parco> i vaguely remember exchanging graphics with u at one point
Jan 10 06:39:38 <parco> logos
Jan 10 06:39:47 <parco> ..or something
Jan 10 06:39:51 <canadiancow> but see, you actually help out technically, and people will remember you
Jan 10 06:40:02 <trinity> canadiancow: remember me? lol or kaikai
Jan 10 06:40:02 <canadiancow> and then when you say "HAY CAN I HAZ GOOGLER REFERENCE", someone might say yes
Jan 10 06:40:12 <canadiancow> yes, kinda
Jan 10 06:40:15 <canadiancow> but you're pretty new arent you?
Jan 10 06:40:22 <trinity> 1 week
Jan 10 06:40:29 <canadiancow> yeah
Jan 10 06:40:35 <parco> trinity == kaikai?
Jan 10 06:40:35 <trinity> or maybe 4 days don't remember
Jan 10 06:40:37 <canadiancow> so i recognize your name, but you're not "OH I KNOW HIM AND HE'S GOOD"
Jan 10 06:40:53 <trinity> LOL, pwnstamped
Jan 10 06:40:53 <MercuryTW> ^ that's why I use the same nick everywhere :)
Jan 10 06:41:09 <canadiancow> thats why i didnt change my nick to something more professional :P
Jan 10 06:41:17 <parco> i log onto beastmanrage to ask the really dumb questions
Jan 10 06:41:22 <trinity> what would be a more professional ign canadian
Jan 10 06:41:24 <parco> this nick still has some pride
Jan 10 06:41:30 <MercuryTW> yeah you keep the same one too canadian? How old is it?
Jan 10 06:41:39 <canadiancow> ive used this for like 10 years
Jan 10 06:41:44 <canadiancow> in #android-dev, for 3.5
Jan 10 06:41:48 <linuxuz3r> any news on when tegra 4 tablets will be released?
Jan 10 06:41:52 <MercuryTW> damn. respect
Jan 10 06:41:53 <linuxuz3r> hey guys
Jan 10 06:41:57 <canadiancow> ive been thinking about changing it for the past 4 months, but it would be too much adjustment
Jan 10 06:42:23 <canadiancow> i'd have to go canadiancow->ccow->skennedy-cow (that might be too long)->skennedy
Jan 10 06:42:32 <trinity> so i forgot the password for my NickServ for Trinity, but somehow I can still use this nick on my KaiKai NickServ. Should I use kaikai or should i use trinity
Jan 10 06:42:41 <trinity> and parco: yea kaikai = trinity
Jan 10 06:43:02 <trinity> trinity = trinsta
Jan 10 06:43:10 <MercuryTW> man I'm trapped in an unprofessional sounding yahoo address
Jan 10 06:43:26 <MercuryTW> you know you've got to pay for fucking pop3 on yahoo?
Jan 10 06:43:32 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 10 06:43:35 <canadiancow> switch to gmail
Jan 10 06:43:36 <trinity> MercuryTW: can't be worse than my sisters. ****duhducky@yahoo.com
Jan 10 06:43:36 <canadiancow> :)
Jan 10 06:43:40 <MercuryTW> it's how they force the lockin
Jan 10 06:43:45 <trinity> and shes 28
Jan 10 06:43:54 <MercuryTW> I want to switch to gmail but I've been stuck in my yahoo for years
Jan 10 06:44:09 <linuxuz3r> anyone with nexus 10?
Jan 10 06:44:14 <canadiancow> i have a n10
Jan 10 06:44:16 <canadiancow> but not with me
Jan 10 06:44:18 <MercuryTW> I'd need to use an outside program to manually pull emails from the yahoo until I've updated all my contacts
Jan 10 06:44:25 <canadiancow> so do that
Jan 10 06:44:27 <linuxuz3r> i wonder how much free ram you usually have with 2gb onboard?
Jan 10 06:44:36 <canadiancow> is that relevant at all?
Jan 10 06:44:37 <canadiancow> i'd hope none
Jan 10 06:44:39 <MercuryTW> yeah I plan on it. It's a big switch
Jan 10 06:44:41 <canadiancow> free ram is wasted ram
Jan 10 06:44:54 <linuxuz3r> canadiancow, ?
Jan 10 06:44:56 <parco> canadiancow was a vista use
Jan 10 06:44:56 <trinity> MercuryTW: switch to gmail, heard yahoo is still having trouble with XSS
Jan 10 06:44:57 <parco> r
Jan 10 06:45:03 <canadiancow> ?
Jan 10 06:45:10 <linuxuz3r> i wonder how much free ram you usually have with 2gb onboard?
Jan 10 06:45:14 <MercuryTW> yahoo is crap. I want to switch to gmail. trust me
Jan 10 06:45:17 <canadiancow> [22:44:38] <+canadiancow> i'd hope none
Jan 10 06:45:20 <canadiancow> [22:44:42] <+canadiancow> free ram is wasted ram
Jan 10 06:45:23 <canadiancow> i can play this game all night
Jan 10 06:45:28 <trinity> ^ linux user
Jan 10 06:45:39 <linuxuz3r> yes trinity
Jan 10 06:45:54 <canadiancow> name an operating system that doesn't fill up your RAM as fast as it can
Jan 10 06:45:58 <parco> full ram is predicted cache, nobody wants that
Jan 10 06:46:22 <canadiancow> not "predicted"
Jan 10 06:46:23 <trinity> Mercury: switch to gmail, use thunderbird
Jan 10 06:46:28 <linuxuz3r> canadiancow, linux
Jan 10 06:46:33 <canadiancow> linux absolutely does
Jan 10 06:46:37 <linuxuz3r> windows
Jan 10 06:46:40 <linuxuz3r> and os x
Jan 10 06:46:58 <parco> currently using 3.73GB of my 12GB, windows 7
Jan 10 06:46:59 <trinity> it's pretty ironic when you're watching a "life at google" video and you see macs everywhere
Jan 10 06:47:17 <canadiancow> macs are popular for laptops
Jan 10 06:47:23 <canadiancow> engineers all have linux desktops
Jan 10 06:47:28 <parco> unless you do more than word processing
Jan 10 06:47:52 <parco> thinkpads are a joke now right?
Jan 10 06:48:04 <canadiancow> no?
Jan 10 06:48:06 <canadiancow> i have one
Jan 10 06:48:09 <canadiancow> i like it
Jan 10 06:48:17 <linuxuz3r> on my tablet i got 273mb free ram onboard i got 1gb ram is getting a tablet with 2gb ram advantageious
Jan 10 06:48:17 <canadiancow> i liked my old one better
Jan 10 06:48:18 <parco> ive been thinking about getting one, but i thought the lenovo buyout made them shit
Jan 10 06:48:33 <canadiancow> linuxuz3r, if you have free ram, then no, more is not beneficial
Jan 10 06:48:38 <MercuryTW> thinkpads are the AK-47 of laptops
Jan 10 06:48:42 <Ologn> I couldn't imagine using a non-Linux desktop
Jan 10 06:48:51 <canadiancow> i use windows, mac, and linux
Jan 10 06:48:53 <canadiancow> regularly
Jan 10 06:48:59 <canadiancow> not in that order
Jan 10 06:49:18 <parco> ok hit me with this, why use a linux desktop over a windows
Jan 10 06:49:24 <trinity> ^ this
Jan 10 06:49:27 <canadiancow> it depends what you're doing
Jan 10 06:49:30 <linuxuz3r> canadiancow, why is that not good
Jan 10 06:49:31 <MercuryTW> trinity pls
Jan 10 06:49:35 <canadiancow> at work, it's beucase our build system doesn't work on windows (easily?)
Jan 10 06:49:37 <ron_frow_> compilation is remotely reasonable
Jan 10 06:49:37 <MercuryTW> also +1 to canadian
Jan 10 06:49:38 <parco> if youre not setting up a lamp
Jan 10 06:49:51 <trinity> MercuryTW: pls what?
Jan 10 06:50:03 <Ologn> parco: here is a command line I ran today on a web log
Jan 10 06:50:10 <MercuryTW> pls your shenanigans are wacky
Jan 10 06:50:15 <Ologn> parco: cat access.log|grep feed.ebooks | awk '{print $1,$7}'|awk -F'/' '{print $1,$5}'|sort|uniq|awk '{print $2}'|sort|uniq -c|sort -rn
Jan 10 06:50:19 <parco> i try to jump on the bandwagon but installing simple things is such a head fuck
Jan 10 06:50:31 <trinity> linux laptop > linux desktop
Jan 10 06:50:31 <ron_frow_> parco on what
Jan 10 06:50:34 <parco> linux
Jan 10 06:50:37 <trinity> don't see anything wrong with that
Jan 10 06:50:38 <ron_frow_> linux seems like its easier to install shit on
Jan 10 06:50:39 <ron_frow_> haha
Jan 10 06:50:41 <parco> this package needs something else, and so on
Jan 10 06:51:00 <ron_frow_> sudo apt-get install libsomethingdev5 python3.2 javajre etc
Jan 10 06:51:05 <Ologn> parco: you can't get productivity that fast on any other OS.  The problem is it takes  time to get familiar with sort, and uniq, never mind grep, awk etc.
Jan 10 06:51:19 <parco> "productivity"
Jan 10 06:51:23 <MercuryTW> i feel awkward installing stuff without a package manager or autoinstaller on *nix systems
Jan 10 06:51:24 <parco> like programming?
Jan 10 06:51:32 <ron_frow_> I found myslef fighting tons of shit until I started building with a linux box
Jan 10 06:51:44 <parco> building what, C programs?
Jan 10 06:51:45 <parco> lol wtf
Jan 10 06:51:52 <parco> i wanna know what everyone is building
Jan 10 06:51:54 <ron_frow_> I do platform dev which is for all intents and purposes undoable unless you are linux
Jan 10 06:52:09 <linuxuz3r> canadiancow, why does having 2gb ram not advantageous over 1gb ram?
Jan 10 06:52:15 <canadiancow> because you're not even using 1GB
Jan 10 06:52:22 <ron_frow_> parco
Jan 10 06:52:22 <ron_frow_> http://imageshack.us/a/img560/2002/overviewm.png
Jan 10 06:52:27 <MercuryTW> How about NDK stuff. that goes much smoother or a *nix or derivative
Jan 10 06:52:30 <ron_frow_> http://imageshack.us/a/img716/7200/drag12.png
Jan 10 06:52:37 <ron_frow_> and now the hardware and os that goes with it
Jan 10 06:53:08 <Ologn> MercuryTW, I've been doing a lot of NDK stuff on Ubuntu
Jan 10 06:53:16 <MercuryTW> exactly
Jan 10 06:53:29 <MercuryTW> that's what im saying. NDK sucks on windows
Jan 10 06:53:34 <parco> idk what im looking at, looks like a BOM
Jan 10 06:53:38 <Ologn> Actually my upstream just ported a Quake clone to Android, with high ratings from Google Play reviewers
Jan 10 06:53:50 <Ologn> My NDK library upstream
Jan 10 06:53:54 <ron_frow_> parco not in either of those screenshot
Jan 10 06:53:57 <trinity> MercuryTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUaHiONTM1I and I thought my "shennanigans" were wacky
Jan 10 06:54:05 <ron_frow_> but some parts of this app deal with boms
Jan 10 06:54:09 <MercuryTW> inb4 rickroll
Jan 10 06:54:10 <ron_frow_> just industrial automation shit
Jan 10 06:54:34 <parco> looks intense ron
Jan 10 06:54:53 <etcetera> how do I play a mp4 stored in the assets folder?
Jan 10 06:55:22 <parco> so let me get this str8, u write this on a linux box?
Jan 10 06:55:28 <ron_frow_> yeah
Jan 10 06:55:30 <parco> that so happens to look like android?
Jan 10 06:55:35 <linuxuz3r> does having 2gb ram advantageous than having 1 gb ram?
Jan 10 06:55:37 <ron_frow_> that is android
Jan 10 06:55:51 <linuxuz3r> ron_frow_,
Jan 10 06:55:53 <ron_frow_> but os dev and shit is nearly impossible on mac
Jan 10 06:55:53 <MercuryTW> trinity: My favorite youtube shenanigans. I was searching for a nice TCP/IP overview lecture on youtube and I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yylh3WNE09w&feature=share&list=FL_cN74nPORgTVSsC76vBI5A
Jan 10 06:55:54 <parco> is this an emulation window im looking at, or your whole OS is android
Jan 10 06:56:05 <linuxuz3r> im deciding if i should get a nexus 10
Jan 10 06:56:21 <ron_frow_> whole os is android, but whole android os consists of a lot of c++ =)
Jan 10 06:56:26 <ron_frow_> and c for that matter
Jan 10 06:56:35 <parco> thats actually pretty sweet
Jan 10 06:56:45 <ron_frow_> that was running on a tablet
Jan 10 06:56:48 <ron_frow_> now its all custom hardware
Jan 10 06:56:54 <ron_frow_> omap 4460
Jan 10 06:56:54 <parco> talk about cranking some apps out, and not having to deal with SWING
Jan 10 06:56:55 <linuxuz3r> anyone can answer my question
Jan 10 06:57:14 <NightRave> linuxuz3r, about N10?
Jan 10 06:57:15 <canadiancow> holy crap
Jan 10 06:57:19 <parco> linuxuz3r: are you looking for a media consumption device?
Jan 10 06:57:20 <ron_frow_> linuxuz3r - its gonna allow you to have more apps stay open, longer
Jan 10 06:57:25 <parco> linuxuz3r: or a tablet?
Jan 10 06:57:25 <canadiancow> i dare you to ask that question one more time
Jan 10 06:57:34 <canadiancow> (hint: dont)
Jan 10 06:57:35 <linuxuz3r> a tablet
Jan 10 06:57:44 <NightRave> lol
Jan 10 06:57:49 <parco> does the nexus 10 have an external sd?
Jan 10 06:57:53 <linuxuz3r> no
Jan 10 06:57:56 <parco> or any external mem
Jan 10 06:57:58 <ron_frow_> usually a device has a per app memory limit, unless overriding it with large memory device whatever in manifest
Jan 10 06:58:01 <parco> dude, that would be my deal breaker
Jan 10 06:58:26 <linuxuz3r> parco, why is that
Jan 10 06:58:26 <parco> i bought my 60 year old father a nexus, nuff said
Jan 10 06:58:39 <NightRave> parco, which one?
Jan 10 06:58:45 <parco> nex 7
Jan 10 06:58:56 <NightRave> best gift ever
Jan 10 06:59:00 <parco> chea
Jan 10 06:59:03 <NightRave> p
Jan 10 06:59:06 <parco> he doesnt use it
Jan 10 06:59:06 <MercuryTW> I was shocked the nexus 7 didn't have a backfacing camera. seriously, what the fuck
Jan 10 06:59:18 <MercuryTW> oh, er, should I not be cursing in here?
Jan 10 06:59:26 <NightRave> probably no
Jan 10 06:59:29 <ron_frow_> MercuryTW no you shouldnt be god damn it
Jan 10 06:59:35 <NightRave> haha
Jan 10 06:59:48 <ron_frow_> EYE MUFFS
Jan 10 06:59:49 <ron_frow_> EYE MUFFS
Jan 10 06:59:50 <Ologn> MercuryTW, it depends on what Leeds says, he runs everything here
Jan 10 07:00:22 <linuxuz3r> what about my ram question
Jan 10 07:00:23 <Ologn> Although he's not around, so I guess it's OK
Jan 10 07:00:25 <parco> ron_frow_: do you still use the xml layout and all that?
Jan 10 07:00:31 <ron_frow_> yeha
Jan 10 07:00:36 <linuxuz3r> how do you make apps use 1gb of ram?
Jan 10 07:00:47 <ron_frow_> all the framework stuff is still built using xml layouts
Jan 10 07:00:50 <trinity> LOL.
Jan 10 07:01:03 <linuxuz3r> ok
Jan 10 07:01:12 <linuxuz3r> ill stick with my transformer
Jan 10 07:01:18 <parco> haha
Jan 10 07:01:23 <ron_frow_> systemui app handles most of what you see outside of launcher and your apps (the menu bars etc)
Jan 10 07:01:28 <parco> was it something i said?
Jan 10 07:01:34 <linuxuz3r> they should put sdcard on nexus devices
Jan 10 07:01:41 <parco> dude dont let me steer u away, go nuts
Jan 10 07:01:46 <parco> everythings cloud based anyways
Jan 10 07:02:01 <canadiancow> how does a user manager storage when there are two devices?
Jan 10 07:02:09 <canadiancow> is anything critical allowed on the removable sotrage?
Jan 10 07:02:13 <canadiancow> if so, what happens if it's removed?
Jan 10 07:02:20 <canadiancow> what should a user see when they connect it to a computer?
Jan 10 07:02:28 <canadiancow> what should happen if there is no extra storage plugged in?
Jan 10 07:02:33 <canadiancow> where should an app save files by default?
Jan 10 07:02:37 <canadiancow> etc
Jan 10 07:02:56 <parco> ^^question every man should ask himself
Jan 10 07:02:59 <MercuryTW> those don't sound like tough questions
Jan 10 07:02:59 <NightRave> linuxuz3r, there is a reason Google does not put SDCards
Jan 10 07:03:00 <parco> questions*
Jan 10 07:03:07 <MercuryTW> but I might just be a noob
Jan 10 07:03:09 <trinity> NightRave: why is that?
Jan 10 07:03:12 <ron_frow_> at the same time
Jan 10 07:03:13 <NightRave> am I the only one who finds even 16GB pf storage enough?
Jan 10 07:03:14 <linuxuz3r> NightRave, whats the reason behind it
Jan 10 07:03:29 <parco> NightRave, have you seen the size of 1080p porn
Jan 10 07:03:30 <ron_frow_> that 1/2gb or ram is actually ram usable for keeping things resident
Jan 10 07:03:37 <NightRave> trinity, linuxuz3r, as far as i know it's done to prevent mixing filesystems
Jan 10 07:03:44 <NightRave> parco, i dont watch it
Jan 10 07:03:44 <ron_frow_> not the actual how much can I save on it
Jan 10 07:03:59 <parco> lol, good man
Jan 10 07:04:02 <MercuryTW> take my Galaxy Nexus. I don't actually see everything on the device when I connect it to a computer
Jan 10 07:04:03 <canadiancow> MercuryTW, different people answer those questions differently
Jan 10 07:04:06 <canadiancow> and that's the problem
Jan 10 07:04:10 <parco> well its costly
Jan 10 07:04:23 <linuxuz3r> but you can mount sdcard on a different folder NightRave
Jan 10 07:04:37 <etcetera> anyone?
Jan 10 07:04:43 <etcetera> how do I get something from the assets folder?
Jan 10 07:05:12 <NightRave> linuxuz3r, one more thing, there are many cloud solutions, why do you need SD?
Jan 10 07:05:24 <MercuryTW> etcetera: http://java.llp2.dcc.ufmg.br:8080/apiminer/docs/guide/topics/resources/overview.html
Jan 10 07:05:24 <parco> SD is always needed
Jan 10 07:05:39 <parco> removable storage will be needed until the end of time.
Jan 10 07:05:41 <linuxuz3r> NightRave, flashing roms and then resetting to factory defaults
Jan 10 07:05:46 <etcetera> MercuryTW: resources are not assets.
Jan 10 07:05:58 <NightRave> well, there is internal for that
Jan 10 07:06:02 <parco> it was ignorant to not include it in the nexus'
Jan 10 07:06:03 <MercuryTW> well I suck
Jan 10 07:06:11 <NightRave> don't you think 8 or 16GB is enough people
Jan 10 07:06:15 <parco> No
Jan 10 07:06:22 <StingRay_> I have a noob question.... while looking at ios dev and doing a few tutorials I found you can pass a method / trigger to another method for use on completion.... is the android way of doing this with something like a callback or runnable ?
Jan 10 07:06:23 <WHO_A_HOE> why the only android virtual device that works is nexus one profile
Jan 10 07:06:28 <trinity> etcetera: AssetManager
Jan 10 07:06:34 <linuxuz3r> NightRave, when you reset to factory default doesnt it delete the installed roms aswell?
Jan 10 07:06:41 <etcetera> trinity: what if I want a direct path to the asset?
Jan 10 07:06:51 <NightRave> linuxuz3r, as far as i know it does
Jan 10 07:07:20 <linuxuz3r> so thats one disadvantage of not having a sdcard
Jan 10 07:07:24 <trinity> getAssets().open(fileName);
Jan 10 07:07:30 <WHO_A_HOE> so
Jan 10 07:07:34 <MercuryTW> StingRay so you're looking to pass a method as a parameter?
Jan 10 07:07:37 <WHO_A_HOE> any idea
Jan 10 07:07:43 <StingRay_> MercuryTW yes
Jan 10 07:07:47 <etcetera> trinity: that will five me a descriptor.
Jan 10 07:07:49 <etcetera> not a path.
Jan 10 07:07:59 <etcetera> I guess I should ask...how do I use VideoView with AssetManager
Jan 10 07:08:05 <parco> or the simple fact that if you have no connection to the cloud, you're SOL
Jan 10 07:08:34 <MercuryTW> can you not do that in java? Alternatively, create an interface that defines a method prototype void handleCompletion( any params);
Jan 10 07:08:45 <parco> if i kept multiple cards for music/recordings, i could simply pop them in
Jan 10 07:09:07 <linuxuz3r> how much ram on average does a 3d game consume? like one of those high end shooting types
Jan 10 07:09:15 <MercuryTW> and pass in an anonymous instance of that class
Jan 10 07:09:31 <StingRay_> linuxuz3r tis variable and based on how it handles mem managment
Jan 10 07:09:55 <StingRay_> depends on the context and data loaded, and settings etc
Jan 10 07:09:59 <WHO_A_HOE> so what about me
Jan 10 07:10:02 <MercuryTW> What's the survey say? Are there function pointers (or equivalents) in java?
Jan 10 07:10:15 <parco> WHO_A_HOE wants a question answered...
Jan 10 07:10:32 <MercuryTW> who: saw your question, don't know the answer. sorry
Jan 10 07:10:35 <trinity> WHO_A_HOE: you're developing for android. buy an android device
Jan 10 07:10:54 <MercuryTW> yeah. Tbh the AVDs are awful
Jan 10 07:11:00 <WHO_A_HOE> disabled limited govement income
Jan 10 07:11:01 <MercuryTW> unless you're doing the most basic stuff
Jan 10 07:11:20 <WHO_A_HOE> which is a hoe
Jan 10 07:11:35 <trinity> AVD in my opinion is to dip your feet into android to see if you like it or not
Jan 10 07:11:44 <StingRay_> I've been playing with the android VM in virtualBox (with full HW accel)
Jan 10 07:11:48 <StingRay_> pretty sweet
Jan 10 07:11:54 <trinity> etcetera: what are you trying to do with assetmanager
Jan 10 07:12:00 <parco> AVD is great for the Hello World tutorial
Jan 10 07:12:01 <MercuryTW> did I answer your question, stingray?
Jan 10 07:12:05 <etcetera> trinity: get assets into video view.
Jan 10 07:12:09 <WHO_A_HOE> oh i've already took the cannonball in to android
Jan 10 07:12:19 <trinity> getAssets().open(fileName);
Jan 10 07:12:25 <MercuryTW> paco: lol yeah if you're willing to wait 2 hours for the device instance to start up
Jan 10 07:12:39 <parco> who listen, names not paco budday
Jan 10 07:13:03 <StingRay_> MercuryTW kinda, ish, I have interfaces defined for things like fragment calls, but this is just one of those sits... where just a pointer to a method would be cool, remembered in ios dev you can do it
Jan 10 07:13:12 <trinity> etcetera: decodeStream into video or something like that i'd assume
Jan 10 07:13:29 <parco> oh yea, i remember those days, and with the way i debug it really does get annoying
Jan 10 07:14:05 <MercuryTW> right. That's a C-family thing. I don't know if Java supports function pointers. Further, support for member function pointers is nonexistant in C++ to my knowlege, so you might kind of be screwed.
Jan 10 07:14:38 <trinity> etcetera: http://tinyurl.com/adq3yka
Jan 10 07:14:45 <MercuryTW> but you can define a class that implements an interface inline by overriding a function
Jan 10 07:14:49 <parco> what did you guys do after college?
Jan 10 07:14:53 <etcetera> trinity: none of those are useful.
Jan 10 07:14:56 <MercuryTW> like this... (one moment)
Jan 10 07:15:02 <etcetera> asset manager return a stream .
Jan 10 07:15:08 <etcetera> not a file path or uri that's useful for videoview.
Jan 10 07:15:17 <WHO_A_HOE> i guess im fooked
Jan 10 07:15:20 <trinity> http://tinyurl.com/adq3yka , or decodestream
Jan 10 07:16:25 <etcetera> again, none of those are useful.
Jan 10 07:17:01 <parco> time for bed
Jan 10 07:17:24 <trinity> etcetera: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8269353/how-to-load-videos-from-assets-folder-to-play-them-with-videoview 2nd answer
Jan 10 07:17:40 <etcetera> trinity: that does not use assetmanager.
Jan 10 07:18:21 <trinity> do you have to use assetmanager?
Jan 10 07:19:17 <etcetera> trinity: that's what you just told me I had to use.
Jan 10 07:19:25 <etcetera> And yes I would prefer to use a concrete type instead of a magic path.
Jan 10 07:20:05 <trinity> you asked me how to get resources from assets, i get my bitmaps by using Assetmanager and decoding stream
Jan 10 07:20:23 <trinity> then you clarified your question by asking me you need to get a video from assetmanager into videoview
Jan 10 07:22:27 <trinity> user AssetFileDescriptor + MediaPlayer
Jan 10 07:22:45 <trinity> + setDataSource
Jan 10 07:30:50 <MercuryTW> sory for the delay stingry
Jan 10 07:30:53 <MercuryTW> http://pastebin.com/BxnNA4sF
Jan 10 07:31:04 <MercuryTW> you see what's going on in that code?
Jan 10 07:31:09 <StingRay_> i'm pretty patient and grateful :)
Jan 10 07:32:10 <MercuryTW> let's say Handler is an interface that functionThatTakesCallback() takes. AbstractHandler is a prototype, and inline you're creating an anonymous implementation of AbstractHandler that implements the public void handle(...) function
Jan 10 07:32:22 <MercuryTW> really, this is a snippet from code I was using
Jan 10 07:32:56 <MercuryTW> you could just as easily say Handler handle = new Handler(){ public void handle(...) { blah; } };
Jan 10 07:33:09 <MercuryTW> if that was all it took to fully implement the Handler interface
Jan 10 07:33:45 <MercuryTW> this way you just write one single Interface and have zero implemented classes to juggle, if your interface will be used in a very specific way
Jan 10 07:33:56 <StingRay_> yeah, I have done it this way b4 "ish" using handler.Callback
Jan 10 07:34:00 <anli> Should I be able to set a style programmatically doing this?: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14198460/problems-putting-a-black-cursor-in-my-autocompletetextview-as-many-others
Jan 10 07:34:22 <StingRay_> just never really been taught this so wanted to ask
Jan 10 07:34:28 <MercuryTW> no problem.
Jan 10 07:34:44 <MercuryTW> here's a fully implemented class that uses that paradigm
Jan 10 07:34:58 <MercuryTW> http://stackoverflow.com/q/14224455/1819560
Jan 10 07:35:05 <trinity> anli: is that your question?
Jan 10 07:35:06 <MercuryTW> scroll down to the code in the ask
Jan 10 07:35:24 <trinity> anli: if so try using 9patch for the cursor so it wont look as funky stretching, etc
Jan 10 07:35:39 <anli> Well, its only a black rectangle
Jan 10 07:35:49 <anli> The problem however is that the cursor will still be white
Jan 10 07:35:56 <anli> So the code seems to not be effective
Jan 10 07:36:07 <trinity> sorry, no experience with custom stuff like that
Jan 10 07:36:49 <MercuryTW> lol I searched for function pointers in java and they basically said to use the same thing I just said
Jan 10 07:37:14 <StingRay_> MercuryTW good to know :)   and thanks for help/confirming
Jan 10 07:37:58 <StingRay_> I kick myself sometimes
Jan 10 07:38:08 <StingRay_> self learning is sometimes not the best way !!
Jan 10 07:38:10 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 10 07:38:32 <MercuryTW> lol glad to help. happy hacking
Jan 10 07:39:04 <StingRay_> mental note to self, "always check to see if any of your listViews have wrap_content set for height"... if so, stick yourself with a pin
Jan 10 07:39:25 <StingRay_> thats called classical conditioning ... gonna see if it words
Jan 10 07:39:29 <StingRay_> works*
Jan 10 07:39:48 <MercuryTW> lol with an arduino you might be able to automate it
Jan 10 07:39:49 <squ> I/Choreographer(1929): Skipped 109 frames!  The application may be doing too much work on its main thread.
Jan 10 07:39:52 <squ> what is that?
Jan 10 07:40:09 <MercuryTW> squ. You're not supposed to do very heavy work in your UI thread
Jan 10 07:40:15 <StingRay_> haha also the result of doing what I just said above
Jan 10 07:40:26 <MercuryTW> lol
Jan 10 07:40:28 <trinity> StingRay_: self conditioning: when app crashes, error occurs, doesn't happen as planned. self destruct project
Jan 10 07:40:49 <trinity> like playing on hardcore mode for D3 ;P
Jan 10 07:40:56 <squ> MercuryTW, how do I know what is going on?
Jan 10 07:41:03 <MercuryTW> squ: if you're going to do processing intensive work or call functions that might block, kick off an AsynchronousTask or a thred
Jan 10 07:41:06 <squ> because emulator is just iddling
Jan 10 07:41:20 <MercuryTW> do you call functions that block?
Jan 10 07:41:24 <squ> doing nothing
Jan 10 07:41:43 <StingRay_> so ne1 actually using vm HW accell android machine instead of emu ?
Jan 10 07:41:48 <squ> maybe something is happening that I dont know
Jan 10 07:42:03 <MercuryTW> you're still debugging right now?
Jan 10 07:42:13 <squ> nope
Jan 10 07:42:23 <m1hael> squ: afaik with rev 21 something in the emulator is broken. i have the same problem.
Jan 10 07:42:32 <m1hael> just updating to 21.0.1 to see if it is fixed
Jan 10 07:42:43 <m1hael> (or was it rev 20?)
Jan 10 07:44:17 <squ> ok, thank you
Jan 10 07:44:32 <StingRay_> anyone even tried androVM as alternative to emu ?
Jan 10 07:44:43 <StingRay_> cause if not it's worth a look  ;)
Jan 10 07:45:05 <StingRay_> http://androvm.org/blog/
Jan 10 07:45:30 <squ> ATI videocards are supported?
Jan 10 07:45:53 <StingRay_> not sure, I have nvidia
Jan 10 07:46:07 <StingRay_> I would assume so as I doubt it does anything direct with gfx HW
Jan 10 07:47:00 <StingRay_> androVM not good for performance testing though
Jan 10 07:47:11 <StingRay_> uses too much of your host PC to be relevant
Jan 10 07:47:18 <StingRay_> as in "sh*t quick"
Jan 10 07:47:50 <StingRay_> but good to have the "full" android image on there, play etc
Jan 10 07:47:55 <devslash> hi
Jan 10 07:49:09 <squ> how to install it on macos?
Jan 10 07:49:50 <StingRay_> squ i use it on osx
Jan 10 07:49:56 <squ> do you guys know what he means: 08:34 <JakeWharton> <Button style="@style/Widget.Sherlock.Something.ActionItem"/>
Jan 10 07:50:33 <squ> he recommended to search thru ABS source code to get it right
Jan 10 07:50:36 <StingRay_> squ means your setting a viewStyle ?
Jan 10 07:51:17 <squ> it is to enable style ABS menu action item style for custom myButton
Jan 10 07:54:40 <devslash> hey huys
Jan 10 07:55:14 <devslash> guys
Jan 10 07:57:35 <devslash> i wrote something to hide unpublished apps from appearing in my google developer console. if you want it let me know
Jan 10 08:03:31 <macno> Hi all, I have a question about  startActivityForResult, this is my scenario:
Jan 10 08:04:40 <macno> I have an activity with a ViewPager to show images, with a "thumbs" button
Jan 10 08:05:25 <macno> pressing on this button i create a new Intent and I start it with startActivityForResult
Jan 10 08:07:54 <macno> it shows a gridview of the same images but smaller , clicking on one of them, it returns to the previous activity passing  the index of the image clicked
Jan 10 08:09:06 <macno> it works perfectly, except if I rotate the device when I am in the gridview activity
Jan 10 08:09:58 <macno> what am I missing?
Jan 10 08:11:29 <devslash> does it refresh when you rotate the device
Jan 10 08:13:14 <macno> yes
Jan 10 08:15:36 <devslash> that might be the problem
Jan 10 08:15:50 <devslash> google how to prevent refresh on orientation change
Jan 10 08:19:36 <StingRay_> dont you want to handle the change rather than prevent it? maybe you may want to have diff layouts etc ?
Jan 10 08:31:34 <greatjustice> I just want to know one thing! When you unlockCanvasAndPost does the system immediately show the result to screen, or does it get shown on the next display refresh?
Jan 10 08:32:46 <greatjustice> The docs suggest the former, but a cursory glance at native source suggests it queues up the buffer (not a cpp programmer)
Jan 10 08:36:33 <macno> devslash, I'm not sure I want to prevent refresh on orientation change.. what does it implies?
Jan 10 08:37:48 <macno> on grid view, for example, I want to see more columns and less rows when I switch from portrait to landscape  (and viceversa)
Jan 10 08:39:09 <greatjustice> Yeah don't try to avoid it. Embrace the restart
Jan 10 08:43:21 <macno> greatjustice, ok, could you elaborate it a bit ? or point me to some doc about it?
Jan 10 08:43:47 <macno> greatjustice, BTW do you mean the restart of which activity? the parent one ?
Jan 10 08:44:03 <greatjustice> The resumed activity
Jan 10 08:44:16 <greatjustice> whichever is at the top of stack
Jan 10 08:44:26 <macno> ok
Jan 10 08:44:50 <greatjustice> It restarts, so if you want to save, do it in on pause
Jan 10 08:45:07 <greatjustice> or if its trivial, put it in the bundle
Jan 10 08:49:03 <Zuarko> Hi, is there anyway using GCM push messages to know if the device is not connected to the network, thus not receiving the notifications?
Jan 10 08:50:08 <anli> Is there anyone that have created a component programmatically and meanwhile given it a style?
Jan 10 08:50:13 <anli> (in the ctor)
Jan 10 09:05:09 <c03> hi
Jan 10 09:05:41 <c03> When I start a new activity from within an activity, I briefly see the background screen in the transition
Jan 10 09:06:05 <c03> Is there a way to avoid this, and keep the first activity shown until the new one shows?
Jan 10 09:09:40 <greatjustice> I haven't had that problem. Then again, I have disabled activity transitions and windowBackground
Jan 10 09:10:45 <greatjustice> You aren't using singleInstance are you? It's made black screen pauses between activities for me, so I haven't touched it since
Jan 10 09:13:47 <c03> It looks like some sort of intentional default transition
Jan 10 09:14:21 <c03> But it looks horrible. I would just like my new activity to fade in over the old one, not briefly flash the homescreen.
Jan 10 09:15:33 <greatjustice> Yeh not sure. Sounds like the oem substituted their own transition?
Jan 10 09:17:44 <c03> could seem like it yea
Jan 10 09:17:49 <c03> using galaxy tab 2
Jan 10 09:20:00 <betim> hi, I have a ListView whom items highlight when I use a ArrayAdapter, but as soon as implement a custom ArrayAdapter, hightlight isn't happening, do I need to override something or ...?
Jan 10 09:20:54 <trinity> betim: are you extending arrayadapter lol
Jan 10 09:21:10 <betim> trinity, yes
Jan 10 09:21:37 <trinity> i'd be more concerned with something YOU overrided and not something you need to override
Jan 10 09:22:47 <betim> trinity, only getView, and I have an onItemClickListener for every row
Jan 10 09:24:02 <trinity> maybe try super.getView
Jan 10 09:29:07 <zipoboy> Hello guys i found this gist on github that contains the same error as mine. I commented on it and breafly explained my situation. If any of you have idea what is going on, i would appreciate your help. https://gist.github.com/4195494
Jan 10 09:29:43 <trinity> betim: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8369640/listview-setitemchecked-only-works-with-standard-arrayadapter-does-not-work-w
Jan 10 09:45:25 <misterli> i try to start an Activity out of an aSyncTask. The App is freezing but not starting the new Activity. any idea? http://pastebin.com/qnApkn1L
Jan 10 09:46:45 <Syzygy_>  if I set a sharedPreference private it can still be accessed from anywhere within the app, right?
Jan 10 09:49:12 <c03> greatjustice: I found the problem. In case you are interested, you can replace transitions with overridePendingTransition(R.anim.fadein, R.anim.fadeout); and so forth immediately after a new activity has been started
Jan 10 09:49:46 <trinity> misterli: stacktrace
Jan 10 09:50:00 <trinity> syzygy: no
Jan 10 09:50:11 <trinity> syzygy: unless you mean mode_private
Jan 10 09:50:13 <greatjustice> c03: Excellent.
Jan 10 09:50:42 <c03> Apparently samsung messed with the transition animation in a an update or something =)
Jan 10 09:57:23 <\0x90\> ok i spent like 2 hours browsing google about this.. it seems i don't know what search string to enter. basically .. i'm opening a listview with a button, selecting choices then returning result array to parent activity through onactivityresult.. with data that has been selected. i would like if user click on button that activate listview again.. to have those choices 'pre-selected'. anyone can point me to part of doc or something
Jan 10 09:57:23 <\0x90\> that explains best ways to do this ?
Jan 10 10:02:53 <greatjustice> Have you tried saving choices to sharedpreferences?
Jan 10 10:08:15 <\0x90\> no, i started android development recently.. so there are a lot of basic things i'm not aware of at this point. ok thanks for the tip, will look into that.
Jan 10 10:09:35 <m1hael> \0x90\: you can pass the made choices as extra data in the intent which starts the activity
Jan 10 10:10:01 <Syzygy_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31690810/dev/android/textview.jpg can someone tell me what is wrong with that?
Jan 10 10:10:16 <\0x90\> in startactivityforresult ?
Jan 10 10:10:58 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ it's telling you the 2 probs
Jan 10 10:11:19 <StingRay_> no uinit postfix and that string resource cant resolve
Jan 10 10:11:22 <greatjustice> You need to say dp
Jan 10 10:11:25 <devsherif> How to connect my android app to my app engine website ?
Jan 10 10:12:16 <StingRay_> for text size he probs wants to use sp over dp
Jan 10 10:12:24 <StingRay_> but heyho
Jan 10 10:12:58 <Syzygy_> well, it doesn't >need< the dimension
Jan 10 10:12:58 <greatjustice> Oh didn't see that. But sometimes its best to have text size in dp
Jan 10 10:13:04 <greatjustice> ie games
Jan 10 10:13:07 <Syzygy_> and I did define the string resource
Jan 10 10:13:16 <greatjustice> yes it does need it
Jan 10 10:13:30 <greatjustice> otherwise it'll pick for you
Jan 10 10:13:49 <greatjustice> And that can be very sad story
Jan 10 10:13:53 <Syzygy_> which is ok by my means for now
Jan 10 10:13:59 <[1]Trinity> StingRay_: I never fully understood sp vs dp. Is it because of the text settings? also what happens when you have a 100 dp textview and text thats larger than that?
Jan 10 10:14:14 <Syzygy_> but yeah, i should have added that in the first place
Jan 10 10:14:19 <greatjustice> Well, sp depends on user preference
Jan 10 10:14:27 <StingRay_> well sp takes system user multiplier into account
Jan 10 10:14:29 <greatjustice> some people need big text
Jan 10 10:14:34 <StingRay_> dp does not
Jan 10 10:14:49 <[1]Trinity> mhmm kk so it is text settings, do you know the answer for the 2nd question?
Jan 10 10:15:00 <StingRay_> so what happens if I am blindish, and need my fonts big, but you set dp
Jan 10 10:15:05 <StingRay_> I cry at you  ;)
Jan 10 10:15:19 <StingRay_> and swear and curse
Jan 10 10:15:29 <[1]Trinity> dp is needed sometimes though :)
Jan 10 10:15:31 <[1]Trinity> for headers
Jan 10 10:15:52 <greatjustice> It will draw as much as fits
Jan 10 10:16:01 <[1]Trinity> greatjustice: ahh kk ty
Jan 10 10:16:02 <greatjustice> rest will be cropped
Jan 10 10:16:12 <Syzygy_> in any case, I have the resource in both my string.xml files
Jan 10 10:16:17 <Syzygy_> and it still isn't displayed
Jan 10 10:16:32 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ pastbin your strings.xml then
Jan 10 10:16:46 <[1]Trinity> syzygy: open problems from windows and also try cleaning project
Jan 10 10:16:57 <Syzygy_> http://hastebin.com/wurejixapo.xml
Jan 10 10:17:42 <Syzygy_> cleaned it, no change
Jan 10 10:18:02 <Trinity> looks fine, try problems
Jan 10 10:18:06 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ thats in the project and not a project lib?
Jan 10 10:18:42 <Syzygy_> I'm not sure what you mean StingRay_
Jan 10 10:19:24 <Syzygy_> I'm not using any libs though
Jan 10 10:19:27 <Trinity> Syzygy_ open problems from eclipse
Jan 10 10:19:27 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ pastbin xml for that layout
Jan 10 10:19:58 <Syzygy_> http://hastebin.com/nutukofawu.xml
Jan 10 10:21:33 <Syzygy_> Trinity, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31690810/dev/android/problems.jpg all errors are related to other projects
Jan 10 10:21:53 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ if you go to your projectRoot > gen > blaablaa,com > R.java > "is your string here"  <---- ?
Jan 10 10:22:19 <Syzygy_> it is
Jan 10 10:22:42 <StingRay_> fked if I know then, rebuild > clean > close > open > clean
Jan 10 10:22:52 <Trinity> ^ yea, im pretty stumped too
Jan 10 10:23:14 <Trinity> if that doesn work delete all irrelevant projects (you can reimport later)
Jan 10 10:23:25 <Trinity> clean again and see if any problems show up
Jan 10 10:24:03 <StingRay_> also replace ref with another string (since you have dupes neways)  like with @string/HighscoreButton
Jan 10 10:24:15 <StingRay_> see if it shows then
Jan 10 10:24:38 <greatjustice> I always use lowercase in name, but I don't think it matters
Jan 10 10:24:46 <Syzygy_> uuhm, HighscoreButton isn't a dupe
Jan 10 10:24:47 <StingRay_> me too
Jan 10 10:25:00 <Trinity> what he means is, replace it with something else that worked
Jan 10 10:25:13 <greatjustice> Try high_score_button
Jan 10 10:25:15 <StingRay_> <string name="HighscoreButton">Highscores</string>
Jan 10 10:25:20 <StingRay_>  <string name="HighscoresTextView">Highscores</string>
Jan 10 10:25:24 <Trinity> btw, what was the last thing you did that started the build problems?
Jan 10 10:25:25 <StingRay_> whats the diff ?
Jan 10 10:25:44 <Syzygy_> the button is in another activity and opens the highscores activity
Jan 10 10:25:57 <StingRay_> yeah...but the resource is a duplicate
Jan 10 10:26:00 <StingRay_> thats what I ment
Jan 10 10:26:22 <StingRay_> HighscoresTextView  HighscoreButton  gives you same thing
Jan 10 10:26:46 <StingRay_> why not just have "highscore"
Jan 10 10:27:04 <lamanche_> hey guys, could anyone give me a crash course on SQL? say I need to update a bunch of *Point* objects. I have a Vector<Point> and compose a loop in which there is db.update(TABLE_LOCATIONS, values, KEY_ID + "=" + l.id, null). Is it possible to update all these points at once ( maybe construct a long WHERE clause )
Jan 10 10:27:15 <Syzygy_> Trinity, added shared preferences to the class, deleted the hello world standard text from the activity and made a new text view
Jan 10 10:27:30 <Syzygy_> or i edited the hello world text, not sure anymore
Jan 10 10:27:41 <Trinity> lol
Jan 10 10:27:46 <Trinity> ez. android manifest error
Jan 10 10:28:00 <StingRay_> lamanche_ in full blown sql I would use SET's
Jan 10 10:28:09 <Trinity> check in androidmanifest for something called "R.string.app_name"
Jan 10 10:28:18 <Trinity> replace it withs omething else
Jan 10 10:28:58 <lamanche_> <StingRay_>, is it possible to use them in SQLite?
Jan 10 10:29:34 <Syzygy_> manifest doesn't mention the R file at all actually
Jan 10 10:29:42 <Trinity> pastebin your manifest
Jan 10 10:30:14 <Syzygy_> http://hastebin.com/colabajaba.xml
Jan 10 10:30:32 <Trinity> label: @string/app_name"
Jan 10 10:30:34 <Trinity> replace that
Jan 10 10:30:51 <Trinity> my mistake on the R.string thats for code
Jan 10 10:31:42 <StingRay_> lamanche_ dont look like it  :(
Jan 10 10:32:18 <StingRay_> but I guess you dont need it really since db is open and in mem
Jan 10 10:32:28 <StingRay_> unlike a web client, blind firing it
Jan 10 10:33:07 <Syzygy_> I simply deleted the textView and tried it with a new one
Jan 10 10:33:08 <lamanche_> StingRay_ oh, thank you for your help :)
Jan 10 10:33:10 <Syzygy_> that worked
Jan 10 10:33:19 <Syzygy_> also, I used the HighscoreButton string this time
Jan 10 10:33:27 <Syzygy_> thanks for the help
Jan 10 10:34:00 <Trinity> oh lol, my bad. you do have app_name in your strings.xml
Jan 10 10:38:16 <Trinity> quick question guys, when you see $1 do you immediately associate $ with USD?
Jan 10 10:38:48 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 10 10:40:10 <Syzygy_> yes
Jan 10 10:40:26 <DR01D-Engineer> no
Jan 10 10:43:00 <maicon> yes
Jan 10 10:43:35 <Philpax> AUD in my case
Jan 10 10:43:50 <maicon> how about you, Trinity, something regex? ;)
Jan 10 10:44:00 <Trinity> regex?
Jan 10 10:44:25 <Trinity> lol
Jan 10 10:44:26 <Trinity> yes
Jan 10 10:44:30 <maicon> something related to a regular expression
Jan 10 10:44:31 <Trinity> man im out of it today
Jan 10 10:45:11 <zipoboy> Hello guys i found this gist on github that contains the same error as mine. I commented on it and breafly explained my situation. If any of you have idea what is going on, i would appreciate your help. https://gist.github.com/4195494
Jan 10 10:53:47 <balls2thewall> could i please get some explanations about List Adapters? it looks like the getView method is called once for each element (even the ones not visible on screen) when the adapter is attached to the list
Jan 10 10:54:10 <misterli> any idea how to get the current activity before api 11 without Fragment.getActivity()?
Jan 10 10:57:50 <StingRay_> balls2thewall getView will only be called on visible items
Jan 10 10:59:08 <StingRay_> balls2thewall I can only think of 2 ways to get an adapter to call getView more than the number of items on screen and one i dont know if it would work
Jan 10 10:59:28 <StingRay_> 1. extend the parent view off-screen (not sure if that would work)
Jan 10 11:00:07 <StingRay_> 2. use wrap_content on the layout for the listView as every item added would prompt a refresh, 1,2,4,8 etc
Jan 10 11:10:30 <linuxuz3r> night guys
Jan 10 11:10:44 <StingRay_> nigh (11:10am)  :)
Jan 10 11:10:49 <StingRay_> night*
Jan 10 11:15:15 <Android03> hi guys .. i am creating an app where i need to show images once user click a button .Images are being fetched from the server using thread and are putting into the cache.and i am showing images from application's cache.everything works fine but after playing with the app for some more time
Jan 10 11:16:38 <Android03> it started giving me outofmemory errors so i just started to check which bitmap are unnecessary and i have written in my code if( bitmap != null ){}
Jan 10 11:17:03 <StingRay_> what method of cache are you using ?
Jan 10 11:17:11 <Android03> if(bitmap != null ){bitmap.recycle();}
Jan 10 11:17:36 <Android03> StingRay_ : i am caching images in to the app's cache
Jan 10 11:18:37 <Android03> but now this started giving me error like canvas:trying to use recycled bitmap
Jan 10 11:18:42 <Android03> how can i resolve this
Jan 10 11:18:43 <StingRay_> well I use weakRef and LruCache and have not (fingers crossed) run into oom
Jan 10 11:19:31 <internetishard> Why is the pin pad on the unlock screen so much less responsive than the one in settings?
Jan 10 11:20:06 <Android03> StingRay_: that is fine but i need to cache into app's cache
Jan 10 11:20:29 <Android03> i mean i need to cache images into app 's cache
Jan 10 11:26:44 <brx_> I am trying to build ffmpeg with libopencore-amr support
Jan 10 11:28:06 <brx_> when I use this build script http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffmpeg4android/?source=dlp I can get a static ffmpeg binary, however when I add --enable-libopencore-amrnb to the ./configure params in Android_Configure.mk it doesnt include opencore support, the biuld works but the suport for opencore amr is not present
Jan 10 11:32:32 <fasta> How much memory does one need for Android development?
Jan 10 11:32:47 <fasta> I read 24GB recommmended somewhere, but isn't that a bit excessive?
Jan 10 11:33:55 <Trinity> fasta i have all the optional packages and the latest build
Jan 10 11:34:02 <Trinity> and i also addeda  2.2 build in case of anything
Jan 10 11:34:46 <Trinity> and thats probably around maybe 3-4 gbs?
Jan 10 11:34:54 <Trinity> correction 1.5gb
Jan 10 11:35:06 <thepoosh> anyone has expirience with Green-DAO?
Jan 10 11:36:49 <Trinity> fasta: remember, you should always build with the highest API and set minimum SDK in manifest
Jan 10 11:37:07 <fasta> Trinity: I was talking about RAM requirements.
Jan 10 11:37:32 <Trinity> lol.... 24gb ram?
Jan 10 11:37:50 <Trinity> not sure if theres even MBs that can fit 24 gbs
Jan 10 11:38:03 <StingRay_> err yeah there is
Jan 10 11:38:08 <StingRay_> lots
Jan 10 11:38:13 <StingRay_> and lots that do more too
Jan 10 11:38:27 <fasta> Trinity: http://www.tabletroms.com/index.php/2011/10/23/getting-ready-to-build-ics-from-android-source-code-heavy-duty-machines-required/
Jan 10 11:38:36 <fasta> Trinity: but it's only to build the Android OS.
Jan 10 11:38:48 <fasta> Trinity: I thought it was for app development, which doesn't appear to be the case.
Jan 10 11:39:02 <StingRay_> oh to build android the more ram the better
Jan 10 11:39:08 <fasta> Still, 24GB RAM is ridiculous.
Jan 10 11:39:33 <fasta> I can't imagine anything sane which would require that for something as simple as building an OS.
Jan 10 11:39:44 <Trinity> StingRay_ srs? theres 24gb ram slots? what in the world would you need that for? only engineering 3d projects come to mind
Jan 10 11:39:54 <maxpowers> anyone got a few minutes to help out?
Jan 10 11:40:07 <fasta> Trinity: you can buy 1TB RAM machines for 1M$.
Jan 10 11:40:23 <StingRay_> Trinity well I'm 1st a 3D tech director and maya instructor
Jan 10 11:40:34 <StingRay_> so yeah...
Jan 10 11:40:46 <StingRay_> 64gb ram not out of the question
Jan 10 11:40:47 <fasta> 64GB is available on commercial workstations, I think.
Jan 10 11:40:59 <fasta> I don't know about the prices of those.
Jan 10 11:40:59 <Trinity> maxpowers: post q here
Jan 10 11:41:04 <Trinity> thats insane....
Jan 10 11:41:06 <fasta> But you can easily find those.
Jan 10 11:41:09 <StingRay_> I have an few old dual xeon workstations here
Jan 10 11:41:20 <StingRay_> they go to 64gb
Jan 10 11:41:26 <StingRay_> and they are like really old
Jan 10 11:41:46 <fasta> You will likely get 64GB RAM in consumer systems too.
Jan 10 11:42:08 <maxpowers> well im working on a time based app, where week1 has 5 days that the it needs to run, and week2 has 2 days. I'm having trouble figuring out how to switch between the 2 weeks in order to get the different code blocks for each week to run
Jan 10 11:42:15 <Trinity> any fastest CPus i havent heard about fasta, stingray?
Jan 10 11:42:36 <fasta> Trinity: Power arch are the fastest, AFAIK.
Jan 10 11:42:52 <fasta> Trinity: On big IBM zOS systems.
Jan 10 11:42:55 <StingRay_> fastest for what though
Jan 10 11:42:59 <Trinity> to fit my desktop computer
Jan 10 11:43:00 <Trinity> LOl.
Jan 10 11:43:01 <StingRay_> subjective
Jan 10 11:43:03 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 10 11:43:15 <fasta> Trinity: Pricing starts at 200000$ or something like that.
Jan 10 11:43:28 <Trinity> okay well lets say maximum being $1000
Jan 10 11:43:37 <StingRay_> na
Jan 10 11:43:42 <Trinity> is there 24gb ram for desktop computer?
Jan 10 11:43:45 <fasta> Trinity: just get Intel Core i<5,7>
Jan 10 11:43:52 <StingRay_> Trinity course
Jan 10 11:43:57 <Trinity> mhmm well i know those are best consumer right now
Jan 10 11:43:58 <fasta> Trinity: 32GB is 4 times 8.
Jan 10 11:43:59 <StingRay_> most board will easy take 24gb
Jan 10 11:44:12 <fasta> 100$ boards take those.
Jan 10 11:44:18 <Trinity> is that DDR2 or DDR3
Jan 10 11:44:43 <fasta> Probably both exist, but DDR3 is the short answer.
Jan 10 11:44:46 <Trinity> maxpower: from the top of my head, enums probably
Jan 10 11:45:17 <Trinity> maxpower: maybe use system.dateTime or wahtever with a enumState holder
Jan 10 11:45:18 <StingRay_> Trinity  http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9QR7-TF_.cfm
Jan 10 11:45:22 <Trinity> calculate it on each onCreate
Jan 10 11:45:38 <Trinity> i need to get my hands on one of those lol
Jan 10 11:45:46 <maxpowers> err... should of said that i want it running as a service
Jan 10 11:46:34 <maxpowers> basically its a when it hits a certain time on a certain day, the ringer shuts off
Jan 10 11:46:53 <maxpowers> then when it hits a certain time, turns the ringer back on
Jan 10 11:47:02 <Trinity> oh like a ringer scheduler
Jan 10 11:47:07 <Trinity> silence*
Jan 10 11:47:28 <maxpowers> ya
Jan 10 11:47:34 <c03> hi
Jan 10 11:47:37 <Trinity> isnt that on the market already? or are you trying something new
Jan 10 11:47:47 <c03> Is there a way to keep the settings from an Animation?
Jan 10 11:47:49 <maxpowers> learning
Jan 10 11:48:14 <maxpowers> so ya, trying something new
Jan 10 11:48:25 <Trinity> create a subclass that extends timertask
Jan 10 11:49:01 <Trinity> when the service starts execute the timertask
Jan 10 11:49:26 <maxpowers> thats an idea
Jan 10 11:49:32 <maxpowers> i'll look into that thanks
Jan 10 11:49:34 <Trinity> not sure how that would affect battery usage though. would be ironic if your app "silenced" the phone
Jan 10 11:49:45 <mastro> do someone know why 9patchs defining borders (or separators) use 2 pixels for ldpi and 1 pixel for mdpi, hdpi, xhdpi? this is somewhat counter-intuitive
Jan 10 11:49:45 <Trinity> by sucking the power dry ;)
Jan 10 11:49:49 <maxpowers> lol
Jan 10 11:50:20 <StingRay_> mastro not aware they did
Jan 10 11:50:21 <Trinity> mastro: i dont think it has 2pixels
Jan 10 11:50:30 <Trinity> docs: 1 pixel border
Jan 10 11:50:37 <StingRay_> ^
Jan 10 11:51:10 <Trinity> c03: dont understand your Q
Jan 10 11:51:16 <NightRavenXS> btw, speaking of pixels
Jan 10 11:51:25 <NightRavenXS> why doesn't Android recommend using px instead of dp:
Jan 10 11:51:28 <NightRavenXS> *dp?
Jan 10 11:51:35 <Trinity> where does it say that?
Jan 10 11:52:00 <StingRay_> NightRavenXS i think that will be the other way round
Jan 10 11:52:14 <c03> Trinity: found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3345084/how-can-i-animate-a-view-in-android-and-have-it-stay-in-the-new-position-size
Jan 10 11:52:35 <NightRavenXS> hmm as far as I remember Eclipse warned me to use dp not px
Jan 10 11:52:39 <NightRavenXS> but why?
Jan 10 11:52:49 <NightRavenXS> will the app look horrible if i use px?
Jan 10 11:53:05 <StingRay_> cause dp is a better relative dimension of an element
Jan 10 11:53:10 <Trinity> eclipse really did?
Jan 10 11:53:13 <StingRay_> px is variable
Jan 10 11:53:29 <NightRavenXS> Trinity, as far as i remember, it was Eclipse
Jan 10 11:53:35 <NightRavenXS> or maybe it was some other component
Jan 10 11:53:55 <Trinity> c03: was your question answers? cause i have never played with xml animations before sorry.
Jan 10 11:54:08 <c03> yea, it works =)
Jan 10 11:54:09 <StingRay_> see whats best to use in dimensions would actually be to get a physical pixels real world dimension
Jan 10 11:54:11 <Trinity> NightRaven: not to discredit you or anything, but i think it was your eyes
Jan 10 11:54:22 <Trinity> playing tricks on you ;)
Jan 10 11:55:11 <NightRavenXS> Trinity, my eyes don't know android development so well :D
Jan 10 11:55:12 <Trinity> StingRay_: i dont think that would be best but i think it should be an option
Jan 10 11:55:24 <NightRavenXS> thanks StingRay_
Jan 10 11:55:31 <StingRay_> new unit pd  :)
Jan 10 11:55:50 <StingRay_> phsyical dimension
Jan 10 11:55:54 <Trinity> wait...
Jan 10 11:55:58 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 10 11:56:02 <Trinity> i think i saw that somewhere
Jan 10 11:56:18 <StingRay_> well you can work it out from getting screen dimension and res
Jan 10 11:56:27 <Lachezar> Hey all... Can anoyone point a reading about the rationale of Fragments?
Jan 10 11:56:29 <StingRay_> but I would like it as an actual unit
Jan 10 11:56:34 <StingRay_> but thats me
Jan 10 11:56:36 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 10 11:56:47 <Trinity> in, mm, and pt
Jan 10 11:56:48 <Syzygy_> I have a a canvas panel for my game and when I press my menu button I want to spawn a small menu that covers only parts of the screen with the game still being open in the background, what should I use for that? fragments?
Jan 10 11:56:56 <Trinity> all measurements based on screen size
Jan 10 11:57:25 <StingRay_> Trinity link?
Jan 10 11:57:30 <Trinity> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2025282/difference-of-px-dp-dip-and-sp-in-android
Jan 10 11:57:42 <NightRavenXS> seems interesting, thanks Trinity
Jan 10 11:58:02 <StingRay_> o....m....g
Jan 10 11:58:03 <Trinity> Syzygy_ is this using android support libs?
Jan 10 11:58:08 <Trinity> StringRay_: mind blown as well
Jan 10 11:58:19 <Syzygy_> only standard libs i guess
Jan 10 11:58:36 <StingRay_> how have i not seen this
Jan 10 11:58:40 <StingRay_> lol
Jan 10 11:58:53 <Trinity> well docs sort of advocate DP and SP only
Jan 10 11:59:28 <Trinity> i wouldn't know anything about fragments. sorry
Jan 10 12:00:20 <Trinity> whats the difference between Canvas and CanbasPanel?
Jan 10 12:02:49 <NightRavenXS> Trinity, well one difference is that there is no such thing as CanbasPanel
Jan 10 12:02:54 <NightRavenXS> :D I don't know the rest
Jan 10 12:04:33 <kitallis> good one.
Jan 10 12:06:10 <Syzygy_> CanvasPanel is probably just an arbitrary name used for the class that implements canvas functionality
Jan 10 12:08:50 <Trinity> right, but you mentioned you have a canvas panel
Jan 10 12:09:03 <Trinity> you  mentioned fragments, does your game use them at all
Jan 10 12:09:05 <Trinity> ?
Jan 10 12:09:16 <Trinity> cause i might be able to help if you dont. hahaha (clueless about fragments)
Jan 10 12:10:04 <Syzygy_> oh, i didn't know you were refering to me, in that case, yes it's just an arbitrary name
Jan 10 12:10:13 <Syzygy_> my game doesn't use them
Jan 10 12:10:23 <Trinity> but what you want to do you have to first detect the button press.
Jan 10 12:10:51 <Trinity> also it depends on what you want to do. a bitmap menu or a UI dialog/menu
Jan 10 12:11:08 <Trinity> but you just have to understand your update() and draw() loops
Jan 10 12:11:32 <Syzygy_> the specificiation of this assignment (this is an uni project): game menu (defined in xml, relative positioning)
Jan 10 12:11:40 <Syzygy_> so not much there
Jan 10 12:12:05 <Syzygy_> if it was just about putting something in,  I could simply hard code that
Jan 10 12:12:45 <Trinity> gamemenu, could it be like a custom dialog?
Jan 10 12:13:18 <Syzygy_> yeah
Jan 10 12:13:33 <Trinity> hmm, well that actually would be harder
Jan 10 12:13:37 <Trinity> i did a bit of searching, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#PopupMenu
Jan 10 12:13:40 <Trinity> looks promising
Jan 10 12:14:12 <StingRay_> see I wanted to use that and the menu inflater etc
Jan 10 12:14:21 <StingRay_> but had to write my own cause of api11
Jan 10 12:14:24 <StingRay_> api 11
Jan 10 12:14:28 <Syzygy_> you're right, this does look promising
Jan 10 12:15:19 <Syzygy_> can I simply insert that code into a random class?
Jan 10 12:15:32 <Syzygy_> because I'm pretty far removed from my activities already
Jan 10 12:16:01 <Trinity> pretty sure it should be called in your activity which is holding your canvas
Jan 10 12:16:21 <Trinity> well, you should be passing your activity as a context to your panels
Jan 10 12:16:30 <StingRay_> Syzygy_ you have a min sdk of > 11 ?
Jan 10 12:16:38 <Trinity> context.runOnUI or something would easily give you access back to UI thread
Jan 10 12:22:26 <Syzygy_> StingRay_, 9
Jan 10 12:22:35 <Syzygy_> although I can simply change it for all  Icare
Jan 10 12:22:58 <Trinity> StingRay_: uni project = do wahtever you need to, to complete assignment. hehe
Jan 10 12:23:12 <Syzygy_> dealing with android fragmentation is not part of this assignment :>
Jan 10 12:23:59 <Syzygy_> >11 or >= 11?
Jan 10 12:24:38 <Trinity> >=
Jan 10 12:26:45 <StingRay_> i think I may do some 3d graphics tutorials again on youtube...not done any in years
Jan 10 12:26:53 <StingRay_> give myself a break from android
Jan 10 12:26:59 <StingRay_> and java
Jan 10 12:27:51 <Trinity> StingRay_: 3d as in blender?
Jan 10 12:27:57 <StingRay_> lol no
Jan 10 12:28:02 <StingRay_> 3d as in Maya
Jan 10 12:28:13 <Syzygy_> oh, i thought writing an engine
Jan 10 12:28:32 <StingRay_> na, I'm a 3d artist
Jan 10 12:28:39 <StingRay_> would not want to write a 3d engine
Jan 10 12:28:41 <StingRay_> ever
Jan 10 12:28:43 <StingRay_> EVER
Jan 10 12:28:45 <StingRay_> !
Jan 10 12:29:03 <Syzygy_> it's not that hard :>
Jan 10 12:29:04 <Syzygy_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31690810/depth.jpg
Jan 10 12:29:43 <StingRay_> well reverse the vertex normal direction and would be better no ?
Jan 10 12:29:49 <StingRay_> thats the only prob there :)
Jan 10 12:30:16 <Syzygy_> nope, fucked up depth something
Jan 10 12:30:21 <Syzygy_> it has been to long actually
Jan 10 12:30:27 <Syzygy_> I don't remember what exactly it was
Jan 10 12:30:35 <StingRay_> nothing to do with depth at all
Jan 10 12:30:40 <StingRay_> tis either per vertex normal
Jan 10 12:30:41 <StingRay_> or
Jan 10 12:30:51 <StingRay_> the engine "winding" order is reversed
Jan 10 12:30:54 <StingRay_> either or
Jan 10 12:31:07 <StingRay_> trust me ;)
Jan 10 12:31:41 <Syzygy_> I wrote that engine, pretty sure it was an error with the depth
Jan 10 12:31:54 <StingRay_> nope  lol
Jan 10 12:32:36 <StingRay_> 17 years of looking at problems greater than that says it one of the 2 things I mentioned
Jan 10 12:33:03 <StingRay_> not saying you dont have depth or sort problems
Jan 10 12:33:15 <StingRay_> but thats not the main prob i see when looking at that
Jan 10 12:33:18 <Trinity> wow. LOL. you have as much experience as i've lived
Jan 10 12:33:44 <StingRay_> I was working on games and films when you were in nappies
Jan 10 12:33:52 <StingRay_> I like that as a sentence :)
Jan 10 12:34:44 <Syzygy_> well, it does look like... frontface culling, but I'm pretty sure i remember that i introduced and fixed that error just while working with depth
Jan 10 12:35:07 <StingRay_> easy to see if you turn culling off
Jan 10 12:35:34 <Syzygy_> I haven't used this thing in a year, and at most I will look at the code for reference
Jan 10 12:35:55 <Syzygy_> then again, I don't even know if i still have the source
Jan 10 12:35:56 <StingRay_> but if you had a correct vert norm or winding order and culling on, it would look slightly diff imho
Jan 10 12:36:35 <StingRay_> as in your view frust culling would prevent shading on occluded tyres
Jan 10 12:36:50 <StingRay_> and on the rear that isnt the case
Jan 10 12:37:13 <NightRavenXS> StingRay_, do you have any ready games?
Jan 10 12:37:19 <StingRay_> oh unless you cull per object
Jan 10 12:37:28 <StingRay_> that would explain a few things
Jan 10 12:37:36 <StingRay_> NightRavenXS rady games ?
Jan 10 12:37:41 <Trinity> published games8
Jan 10 12:37:42 <StingRay_> ready*
Jan 10 12:38:09 <StingRay_> well in 17+ years if i didnt that would be a bit sh*t
Jan 10 12:38:12 <Syzygy_> in any case, don't look at if as if it's a culling problem, look at it as if the camera is behind the car, slightly below it, and the car is facing away from the camera
Jan 10 12:38:43 <Syzygy_> see the humor in it, don't analyze :>
Jan 10 12:39:07 <Trinity> so how many of you guys started programming in HS?
Jan 10 12:40:11 <Syzygy_> in my local equivalent to HS i guess
Jan 10 12:42:00 <StingRay_> NightRavenXS I worked on lots of console games but not as a programmer, as an artist
Jan 10 12:42:17 <StingRay_> well, lead td or td supervisor most of the time
Jan 10 12:42:29 <StingRay_> android and programming is new to me
Jan 10 12:43:45 <Trinity> StingRay_: I'm looking at hiring someone for about 200-300 items each ranging from about 100x100px to 300x300. 100's being the majority. 2d isometric. what would an estimate be?
Jan 10 12:43:56 <NightRavenXS> StingRay_, PS2?
Jan 10 12:44:15 <NightRavenXS> or it's too old?
Jan 10 12:44:24 <StingRay_> NightRavenXS snes, md, psone, ps2, ps3, xbox, xbox360, pc
Jan 10 12:44:48 <StingRay_> actually not snes or md
Jan 10 12:44:52 <StingRay_> I'm going loopy
Jan 10 12:45:04 <StingRay_> psone was my 1st console
Jan 10 12:45:08 <StingRay_> release
Jan 10 12:45:20 <StingRay_> oh wait
Jan 10 12:45:22 <StingRay_> no
Jan 10 12:45:23 <NightRavenXS> was it an indie game or you worked for a big game company?
Jan 10 12:45:23 <StingRay_> n64
Jan 10 12:45:32 <StingRay_> only ever big companies
Jan 10 12:45:50 <StingRay_> well real companies
Jan 10 12:45:53 <StingRay_> not indie
Jan 10 12:45:57 <StingRay_> oh wait
Jan 10 12:46:11 <StingRay_> no I have worked on a few little things
Jan 10 12:46:24 <StingRay_> but for pc
Jan 10 12:46:31 <StingRay_> when I 1st started
Jan 10 12:46:57 <StingRay_> did a thing called 3d pets on pc  lol
Jan 10 12:47:06 <StingRay_> that was a little company (4 ppl) or so
Jan 10 12:47:07 <NightRavenXS> cool name :)
Jan 10 12:47:50 <Syzygy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjpMyYLxcYw this abomination?
Jan 10 12:47:53 <StingRay_> I think I can claim also one of the worst selling psone games of all time!!
Jan 10 12:47:58 <Masano> Hi, does anyone know where to find the Wireless & Settings activity in HTC Sensation?
Jan 10 12:48:22 <Masano> oops i meant Wiresless & Network
Jan 10 12:48:26 <StingRay_> Syzygy  b4 that one i think
Jan 10 12:48:43 <StingRay_> but same company  neeches
Jan 10 12:48:45 <kitallis> is it possible to change the way ViewPager animates views?
Jan 10 12:48:58 <StingRay_> there was a alien one and a cat and dog one b4 that
Jan 10 12:49:08 <Syzygy_> ah well
Jan 10 12:49:08 <kitallis> for example, instead of sliding out the old view, animating the new view on top of it?
Jan 10 12:50:03 <Syzygy_> kitallis, I believe you could override the onDraw method
Jan 10 12:50:54 <StingRay_> I've worked on some fluff in my time, like thomas the tank engine etc, but some good stuff too like motorstorm and battlefield
Jan 10 12:51:09 <StingRay_> that 3d pets brings back memories though
Jan 10 12:51:24 <Syzygy_> that one looks horrible xD
Jan 10 12:51:26 <StingRay_> they were based in a crappy house in a crappy town in north wales
Jan 10 12:52:00 <Syzygy_> then again... they have a release
Jan 10 12:52:04 <Syzygy_> I just have work in progress D:
Jan 10 12:52:06 <Syzygy_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31690810/dev/mazeGame/Maze_new.jpg
Jan 10 12:52:21 <NightRavenXS> Masano, I think your question will be appropriate in #android
Jan 10 12:52:34 <NightRavenXS> oh UDK
Jan 10 12:52:53 <StingRay_> huh I worked on namco pacman stuff for pc too
Jan 10 12:53:10 <StingRay_> we wrote a maze toolkit that was dam sweet
Jan 10 12:53:22 <StingRay_> well i designed it some1 else wrote it
Jan 10 12:54:02 <Syzygy_> yeah, this is just some depth first algorithm digging out the maze
Jan 10 12:54:24 <StingRay_> i would love to be able to program a game or something
Jan 10 12:54:31 <StingRay_> have 2 really solid ideas
Jan 10 12:54:33 <c03> My animations doesn\t start before I touch the screen
Jan 10 12:54:37 <StingRay_> just dont see it happening
Jan 10 12:54:45 <c03> I have whole views that doesn't show before I touch the area
Jan 10 12:54:49 <d3xter> hey guys
Jan 10 12:54:51 <Syzygy_> well, if you don't start it won't happen
Jan 10 12:55:06 <Syzygy_> I'm willing to help you out if you have questions or anything
Jan 10 12:55:09 <d3xter> is there any way to make a EditTextPreference not editable?
Jan 10 12:57:10 <StingRay_> d3xter dont look like it
Jan 10 12:58:31 <Syzygy_> there's an isSelectable() method - i guess that implies that you can make it not selectable somehow
Jan 10 12:58:32 <Syzygy_> can't edit what you can't select
Jan 10 12:58:32 <StingRay_> omg...just looked at some old vids i did on youtube from years back...  i sound like a tw*t  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN5dzZmg1SE
Jan 10 13:00:10 <d3xter_> already tried isSelectable()
Jan 10 13:00:32 <d3xter_> but then the dialog doesnt show up containing the value
Jan 10 13:01:16 <fourlastor> hello everyone :) i was looking up the designer guide here: http://developer.android.com/design/building-blocks/grid-lists.html#with-labels and i was wondering if there was an explanation on how to achieve that somewhere
Jan 10 13:02:51 <Syzygy_> d3xter_, couldn't you just discard all changes made when the dialog closes? or why do you need an edit text at all? why not use a textView instead?
Jan 10 13:03:02 <StingRay_> fourlastor achieve what ?
Jan 10 13:03:09 <StingRay_> a gridview ?
Jan 10 13:03:54 <fourlastor> StingRay_, no, the layout used in the example to inflate it into the gridview (an imageview with an overlaying text and a semi transparent background)
Jan 10 13:04:45 <StingRay_> fourlastor tis just a layout though, with a 3 images and 2 text fields
Jan 10 13:05:54 <fourlastor> StingRay_, indeed, but i can't think of a way to overlay elements that way, I'm still new at android development but the only thing that comes to my mind is a framelayout
Jan 10 13:06:07 <StingRay_> fourlastor ah get ya
Jan 10 13:06:15 <StingRay_> naaa would use relative layout as base
Jan 10 13:06:26 <StingRay_> then in order imageview with match_parent
Jan 10 13:06:31 <fourlastor> bottom to bottom would do the trick?
Jan 10 13:06:55 <StingRay_> imageView with fixed heigh and aligntoparent bottom
Jan 10 13:07:12 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 10 13:07:39 <StingRay_> well baseline alignment isnt really needed as your alaignemt would be to view bottom
Jan 10 13:07:40 <StingRay_> so
Jan 10 13:07:43 <fourlastor> and i guess the same for the textview :)
Jan 10 13:07:47 <StingRay_> just alignParentBottom
Jan 10 13:08:16 <StingRay_> yeah... only thing you have to consider is if you do relational layout to "id"
Jan 10 13:08:34 <fourlastor> wait, I'll give you a gist of what I'm doing so you can see if I'm doing the right way
Jan 10 13:08:36 <StingRay_> the id your referencing needs to be lower in the hierachy or list
Jan 10 13:08:45 <StingRay_> hierarchy
Jan 10 13:09:15 <Syzygy> anyway StingRay_ if you're interested in game development I'm sure i can help you get started or something - as I'm mostly interested in the game design side i would like to hear your ideas at least, I'll be afk for a bit now so if you want send me a PM, or not
Jan 10 13:09:47 <d3xter_> Syzygy: how can i set a TextView in a PreferenceActivity?
Jan 10 13:09:53 <StingRay_> Syzygy cheers
Jan 10 13:10:25 <fourlastor> StingRay_, https://gist.github.com/4501947 how does it sound to you?
Jan 10 13:10:25 <StingRay_> fourlastor  eg if you use leftOf righOf etc
Jan 10 13:10:37 <Masano> NightRacenXS, I mean how to programmatically find it
Jan 10 13:10:51 <Masano> NightRavenXS, I mean how to programmatically find it
Jan 10 13:11:15 <Masano> since it seems to work on other phones, but not on HTC
Jan 10 13:12:21 <StingRay_> fourlastor   android:layout_alignParent***   <--- thats the way I do relative layout positioning or like I say, baseline or relational something**Of "id"
Jan 10 13:12:59 <fourlastor> StingRay_, ok :) it seems like working indeed, thank you for your suggestion!
Jan 10 13:16:12 <xgear> Hello! I start activity for result from fragment using startActivityForResult() method (not getActivity.startActivityForResult()!) and when i receive resultCode in fragment callback - resultCode correct, but after that i receive wrong resultCode in activity callback. How can i fix it?
Jan 10 13:17:20 <xgear> http://blog.tgrigsby.com/2012/04/18/android-fragment-frustration.aspx i found this but i am not sure that it is my solution
Jan 10 13:17:30 <ahhughes> anyone else using dagger?
Jan 10 13:18:25 <ahhughes> or a roboguice person might be able to help...
Jan 10 13:18:55 <ahhughes> Im not sure how to @Inject all the fields in each activity, since the activity is not created by dagger. afaik
Jan 10 13:27:53 <StingRay_> xgear use interface implementation
Jan 10 13:28:15 <StingRay_> thats what i do for my fragmentActivity and subfragments
Jan 10 13:28:48 <xgear> StingRay_: i dont understand
Jan 10 13:28:52 <xgear> which interface
Jan 10 13:29:15 <xgear> could you please explain
Jan 10 13:29:21 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/communicating.html
Jan 10 13:29:54 <StingRay_> cause that way it dont matter what gets what, you can decide what it goes to
Jan 10 13:30:01 <StingRay_> and what happens etc
Jan 10 13:35:05 <platzhirsch> Has someone knowledge whether it is possible to copy text into the clipboard via adb shell as of API level 11 ?
Jan 10 13:35:39 <StingRay_> platzhirsch no idea but my gut says no
Jan 10 13:35:53 <StingRay_> why would you want to?
Jan 10 13:36:23 <platzhirsch> StingRay_: I have developed a tool which parses a string and executes a series von input text and input keyevent commands to write from my shell to my Android phone
Jan 10 13:36:45 <platzhirsch> unfortunately this is very slow and is limited to a fixed set of characters, no unicode (umlauts), no round braces, etc.
Jan 10 13:37:24 <platzhirsch> this was possible by using the clipboard, but from API level 11 on the new clipboard takes ClipData as an argument, which I cannot imagine to create on the shell level
Jan 10 13:38:07 <platzhirsch> Maybe there is an alternative way to do what I want, like write to a file on the android device and read it out again, but now idea how the letter should happen
Jan 10 13:39:48 <Chainfire> Just found out UsbManager just blatently lies about UsbDevice's that do/don't exist. Explains a few bugs.
Jan 10 13:40:37 <Masano> Hi, does anyone know where to find the Wireless & Networks activity in HTC Sensation? I have tried the Settings.ACTION_WIRELESS_SETTINGS, but it just sends the user to ordinary settings. I have also tried to set classname as com.android.settings.WirelessSettings, but it did not exist, I have also tried to set com.android.settings.SubSettings, but that one is not exported =(
Jan 10 13:41:51 <StingRay_> Chainfire i just thought of a new feature for your dslr remote
Jan 10 13:42:19 <StingRay_> if i gift you this killer feature do I get a free copy ?  :)
Jan 10 13:42:24 <Chainfire> go ahead... I'd be surprised if its actually not been suggest before though.. I have a ten mile long to-do list on that app
Jan 10 13:42:39 <Chainfire> ideas are a dime a dozen, DSLR Controller depends on Play licensing so I can't just send you an APK
Jan 10 13:42:49 <StingRay_> dual device unteathered
Jan 10 13:43:00 <StingRay_> remote wireless view and control
Jan 10 13:43:04 <StingRay_> using 2 devices
Jan 10 13:43:10 <Chainfire> thats actually already possible
Jan 10 13:43:17 <StingRay_> oh wow really ?
Jan 10 13:43:27 <StingRay_> not on your list of features
Jan 10 13:43:35 <Chainfire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7tyPoxpjE
Jan 10 13:43:48 <StingRay_> nice to have my cam on a jib or something and remote it without wires
Jan 10 13:44:19 <StingRay_> holycrap thats ace!!!
Jan 10 13:46:49 <StingRay_> how about 3 or 4 devices that you can have liveView on one, control on one and histogram on the other ?
Jan 10 13:46:54 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 10 13:47:33 <squ> how to refresh a listView, using cursorAdapter
Jan 10 13:47:47 <thepoosh> ã'ùôCåøãíø
Jan 10 13:47:53 <thepoosh> swapCursor
Jan 10 13:47:57 <thepoosh> squ, ^
Jan 10 13:48:02 <squ> looks promising :)
Jan 10 13:48:10 <thepoosh> notifyDataSetChanged
Jan 10 13:48:46 <squ> yay works
Jan 10 13:49:42 <squ> made it work with cursor = new . adapter = new. listView.setAdapter. But had a feeling I'm not doing it right :)
Jan 10 13:50:57 <squ> swapCursor added in API 11. try { swapCursor } catch (Exception e) { }
Jan 10 13:51:10 <squ> will that catch it if I'm using api 8?
Jan 10 13:51:32 <navlelo_> are there any simple ways to do a http request from my android device to my desktop?
Jan 10 13:51:56 <squ> navlelo_, you can use a special IP instead of 127.0.0.1
Jan 10 13:52:42 <squ> http://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html
Jan 10 13:53:19 <squ> which is 10.0.2.2
Jan 10 13:53:27 <navlelo_> squ: thanks! :)
Jan 10 13:54:45 <sonOfRa> squ, can't you use notifyDataSetChanged?
Jan 10 13:55:24 <sonOfRa> sqpCursor sounds like replacing the old cursor with a completely new one
Jan 10 13:55:38 <sonOfRa> *swap
Jan 10 13:56:21 <sonOfRa> notifyDataSetChanged should be called when you add an element for example, swapCursor if you retrieved a completely new Cursor
Jan 10 13:56:22 <Ghiottone> Hi all. I'm using viewpager indicator in an action bar and I would like to be able to disable it and reenable it programmatically (that is, it should just stay still when disabled)
Jan 10 13:57:02 <Ghiottone> I tried setEnabled(false) and it seems to almost work: it does not switch to side elements but the central item can still be dragged
Jan 10 13:57:09 <Ghiottone> any ideas
Jan 10 13:57:12 <Ghiottone> ?
Jan 10 14:01:50 <tibbi> if I call someone with an app, is it possible to know when does the actual ringing already start ?
Jan 10 14:01:58 <tibbi> CALL_STATE_OFFHOOK triggers already as i start dialing
Jan 10 14:02:33 <misterli> i try to start an activity which is (sometimes) already running. The old activity should get on the foreground elsehow a new activity should start. I tried several flags like i.setFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP | Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK); but it still creates a new acitivty. Any idea why?
Jan 10 14:07:01 <platzhirsch> do you know how to use adb shell input keyevent for simulating two key events? I want to do SHIFT + 0 (input keyevent 57; input keyevent 7)
Jan 10 14:07:35 <brx_> misterli, try launchmode=singletask in manifest
Jan 10 14:08:26 <DOSP> please can someone help me what to do if aapt.exe stopped working and therefore i cant export my app ?
Jan 10 14:08:37 <cybin> hi
Jan 10 14:08:52 <cybin> how do I access the hdmi socket for cec commands?
Jan 10 14:11:17 <DOSP> Guys? why i cant import eclipse android prpoject into netbeans without error ?
Jan 10 14:18:54 <stiggpwnz> what do I need to basically just have one instance of an activity: singleTop or singleInstance?
Jan 10 14:19:08 <stiggpwnz> one instance running at a time
Jan 10 14:19:12 <stiggpwnz> no duplicates
Jan 10 14:19:31 <brx_> stiggpwnz, i used singleTask
Jan 10 14:20:36 <matteo> ok I've finished my app!
Jan 10 14:20:42 <matteo> can I spam the link? it's free
Jan 10 14:21:00 <NightRavenXS> matteo, what app?
Jan 10 14:21:09 <matteo> NightRavenXS: a tool to optimize JPG files
Jan 10 14:21:18 <matteo> it reorders the huffman tree and save space
Jan 10 14:21:40 <brx_> awesome, link?
Jan 10 14:21:44 <matteo> it's a frontend for http://www.kokkonen.net/tjko/projects.html
Jan 10 14:21:53 <matteo> this is the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.teknoraver.imageoptimizer
Jan 10 14:22:12 <matteo> or it can recompress the images to save more space, it's all in the options
Jan 10 14:22:13 <NightRavenXS> KDE icon ;)
Jan 10 14:22:22 <matteo> NightRavenXS: YES!
Jan 10 14:22:43 <sfifbo> I have a question about starting an activity if a screen is locked. It works perfectly on the Samsung Galaxy S1 but on the HTC One S only the locked screen is shown and after entering the pin my activity wasn't started. I start the I intent with the Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag.
Jan 10 14:22:49 <matteo> I think that 75% is a good value for jpegs, the default is overkill
Jan 10 14:24:20 <Younos> matteo: i have no images on my nexus7 right now, but your app runs
Jan 10 14:24:42 <matteo> Younos: good to know
Jan 10 14:25:00 <matteo> if you have an unsupported device it will ask to send me a mail with /proc/cpuinfo attached
Jan 10 14:31:04 <squ> how to get list item clicks for CursorAdapter'ed ListView ?
Jan 10 14:31:12 <speeder> anyone here has a contact with google editorial team or a developer advocate?
Jan 10 14:42:16 <vudu> hi I have 2 edittexts for username and password. when username is focused and softkeyboard opened it adjusts layout for the username. Is there any way that I can get it show both of the edittext's
Jan 10 14:43:39 <vudu> or how should I google it
Jan 10 14:45:42 <StingRay_> vudu have them side by side :)
Jan 10 14:46:52 <vudu> StingRay_: :( if it could possible
Jan 10 14:48:32 <jmaister> I've got an issue with the activity stack. I start a new intent with cleared stack, then start a new one after that. But the back button doesn't take me back from the last started one unless I double click it. `adb shell dumpsys activity` gives me http://pastebin.com/BeyaqN6J so it's clearly there. Any idea why single click to the back button won't take me back?
Jan 10 14:48:52 <Lachezar> I am continuing to receive continuous segfaults in Eclipse+ADK+OpenJDK-1.7
Jan 10 14:49:09 <DOSP> Please can someone try to export my project ?
Jan 10 14:49:11 <Lachezar> It's so bad now, that it crashes the moment I click the project...
Jan 10 14:49:29 <DOSP> Can someone try to export my project in IntelliJ ?
Jan 10 14:50:35 <funkbox> DOSP: that's not a resonable ask
Jan 10 14:53:17 <DOSP> funkboxx, i dont get it
Jan 10 15:05:10 <ansgarm> hey. I display a notification with a pending intent which leads towards an activity of my app. But everytime I click on the notification and go back from said activity I find myself whereever I left my app and not where I've been prior to clicking to notification. What am i doing wrong?
Jan 10 15:11:11 <Lachezar> ansgarm: The pending intent must have some flags set...  Like Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK or something like that.
Jan 10 15:13:59 <Lachezar> ansgarm: I couldn't actually figure that behaviour myself, so I can't be of further help. Check the http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/notifications.html
Jan 10 15:17:06 <ansgarm> Lachezar: Thanks for that link. My expected behaviour is mentioned under "Setting up a special activity pending intent"
Jan 10 15:17:10 <squ> if I want to connect with external application to emulator's database. How to find a path to sqlite file?
Jan 10 15:17:53 <squ> there is a command adb shell: sqlite3 to /data ..., but application can't use it :)
Jan 10 15:17:54 <ansgarm> squ: I'd use the Android Debug Bridge
Jan 10 15:18:03 <ansgarm> haha, oh
Jan 10 15:19:01 <ansgarm> squ: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510840/where-does-android-emulator-store-sqlite-database
Jan 10 15:19:59 <lov> squ: I'm not even sure what you're asking. What exactly are you trying to do? I know you're trying to read a database from outside of the emulator, but WHY are you trying to read a database from outside of the emulator?
Jan 10 15:20:24 <squ> just to comfortably view/modify it
Jan 10 15:20:44 <lov> have you considered pulling the .db file off of the emulator via adb pull, editing it on your computer, then adb push-ing it back?
Jan 10 15:20:56 <lov> alternately, use the built in sqlite3 client on the emulator via adb shell?
Jan 10 15:21:06 <lov> bear in mind that sqlite doesn't really handle concurrency well at all
Jan 10 15:21:07 <squ> this is possible but doesnt worth the efforts :)
Jan 10 15:21:08 <Mavrik> squ, just download it with adb pull from /data/data/<your packagename>/databases, open it with any sqlite3 editor, then push it back
Jan 10 15:21:12 <lov> ...
Jan 10 15:21:16 <lov> So the alternative is, what?
Jan 10 15:21:40 <lov> we've got this down to 3 or even 2 lines for you.
Jan 10 15:21:46 <squ> I used vim script, to issue adb shell command with current text selected in vim
Jan 10 15:23:50 <stiggpwnz> how to remove ongoing notifications when app is removed from running apps on android 4.0+ ?
Jan 10 15:24:02 <squ> 	'adb -s emulator-5556 shell sqlite3 /data/data/lv.dot44.latvenergo/databases/abc "select * from abc"'
Jan 10 15:24:21 <stiggpwnz> because when user stops the app, notification just hangs there
Jan 10 15:24:51 <Mavrik> stiggpwnz, remove it in "onDestroy" of your service?
Jan 10 15:25:04 <Mavrik> onStop is probably better
Jan 10 15:25:39 <stiggpwnz> Mavrik: onDestroy of my service doesnt get called when the app is closed that  way
Jan 10 15:26:10 <Mavrik> does your service even stop?
Jan 10 15:26:39 <lov> stiggpwnz: is your service actually performing an ongoing action?
Jan 10 15:26:44 <lov> if not, consider whether you want to use that flag.
Jan 10 15:26:51 <DOSP> Please, Can someone actually help me iwth the aapt.exe has stopped working problem ? i cant export my app . it is working, i just cannot export it , please help, its urgent
Jan 10 15:26:53 <stiggpwnz> yes, music stops playing, but onDestroy never gets called
Jan 10 15:27:10 <lov> DOSP: not really. Try building from the command line.
Jan 10 15:27:26 <lov> stiggpwnz: consider using startForeground, since you're directly interacting with the user?
Jan 10 15:27:50 <lov> DOSP: if/when aapt fails from the command line, you'll at least have some information.
Jan 10 15:27:55 <lov> Also, try filing a bug on b.android.com
Jan 10 15:28:09 <DOSP> but it builds perfectly , just cannot export it out i was trying to export whole app on 3 different machines
Jan 10 15:28:14 <lov> ...
Jan 10 15:28:16 <lov> so, uh
Jan 10 15:28:18 <lov> "Export"
Jan 10 15:28:27 <lov> means "Build this but sign with a release key instead of a debug key"
Jan 10 15:28:32 <lov> that's all.
Jan 10 15:28:34 <lov> It's not special magic
Jan 10 15:29:05 <stiggpwnz> lov: hmm.. thanks, gonna try that
Jan 10 15:29:13 <lov> (alternately, it means "Build this but don't bother signing it" if you choose the release unsigned option)
Jan 10 15:29:34 <DOSP> well i dont know, because when i think about it, it has debug-key, alright and when i want to export it unsigned? dosent it have the same debug-key ?
Jan 10 15:29:57 <lov> >_<
Jan 10 15:29:58 <lov> no.
Jan 10 15:30:06 <lov> When you export it unsigned, there's NO key being use
Jan 10 15:30:09 <lov> *used
Jan 10 15:30:13 <lov> the debug key is used to sign debug builds
Jan 10 15:30:21 <lov> all builds installed on a device MUST be signed by some key
Jan 10 15:30:32 <DOSP> okay then, thanks, well, i try to build it from command line
Jan 10 15:30:36 <lov> DOSP: http://developer.android.com/tools/building/building-cmdline.html
Jan 10 15:30:57 <DOSP> okay, Thank you very much for advice :)
Jan 10 15:32:11 <lov> you're welcome
Jan 10 15:32:13 <stiggpwnz> lov: wow! that helped, and if the app is remved from the running list, the service keeps running!
Jan 10 15:32:24 <stiggpwnz> lov: thank you so much
Jan 10 15:34:23 <lov> stiggpwnz: you're welcome?
Jan 10 15:34:44 <lov> don't forget to remove yourself from the foreground when you're NOT playing music or directly interacting with the user
Jan 10 15:35:42 <stiggpwnz> lov: thanks, that helped so much
Jan 10 15:37:53 <squ> I'm extending a CursorAdapter, how to receive row clicks in that ListView?
Jan 10 15:39:04 <xorgate> setOnItemClickListener
Jan 10 15:39:11 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AdapterView.html#setOnItemClickListener%28android.widget.AdapterView.OnItemClickListener%29
Jan 10 16:10:17 <timroes> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42417&q=notification%20e-mail&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars that bug is really annoying, vote it up, if you think so too :)
Jan 10 16:16:18 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 10 16:16:32 <Parhs> which event to use when my activity is visible ?
Jan 10 16:17:58 <lov> your question doesn't make sense
Jan 10 16:31:12 <xorgate> anyone know how in intellij i can make a new project also generate a default .gitignore file?
Jan 10 16:38:30 <Pfhoenix> xorgate : can't you simply add that file (as new) to the project from within IntelliJ?
Jan 10 16:38:56 <xorgate> Pfhoenix of course i can
Jan 10 16:39:00 <xorgate> but why not automate it
Jan 10 16:40:01 <Pfhoenix> yeah, but are you creating a new repository?
Jan 10 16:40:06 <Pfhoenix> or cloning an existing one?
Jan 10 16:40:26 <xorgate> new, just 'new project'
Jan 10 16:40:37 <xorgate> it creates androidmanifest etc
Jan 10 16:41:32 <SimonVT> I'd almost imagine it just calls android create project
Jan 10 16:41:45 <SimonVT> but who knows
Jan 10 16:42:14 <Pfhoenix> oh, and for the record, I've been even happier with IntelliJ after discovering it CAN implement missing abstract methods
Jan 10 16:46:51 <xorgate> love those devoxx talks where they show the slides next to the speaker
Jan 10 16:47:16 <sonOfRa> When writing raw SQL in ORMLite, what is the name of an ID field by standard? is it just the name of the field, or something else?
Jan 10 17:06:10 <Chani> Parhs: are you asking what event you can use to know when your activity becomes visible?
Jan 10 17:07:44 <Chani> Parhs: I just googled "android visibility event". first hit has the answer.
Jan 10 17:15:59 <Winslow> so with the quirks of the android scheduler is there a way to force a process or thread to a second core? Or is there no control over that?
Jan 10 17:18:19 <evanc> no control over it, as far as I know
Jan 10 17:20:17 <Winslow> evanc: darn. I didn't think so
Jan 10 17:21:03 <SimonVT> It'd catch on. Soon everyone would be doing their work on the second core
Jan 10 17:22:42 <dragorn> in general linux is pretty fair about balancing between cores
Jan 10 17:22:47 <dragorn> I haven't looked to see if android broke it
Jan 10 17:22:55 <dragorn> I imagine for power management they may try to keep the other cores turned off more often
Jan 10 17:23:15 <dragorn> does dalvik expose internal threads as process threads?
Jan 10 17:56:45 <Ark42> How can I make links clickable in the textview's for each item in a listview, but still have the whole item be clickable in the listview?
Jan 10 17:57:35 <Ark42> setMovementMethod(LinkMovementMethod.getInstance()); on the view in getView() right after I Html.fromHtml() for various formatting and also the links, will work for making the links clickable
Jan 10 17:57:44 <Ark42> but then the whole listview item is no longer clickable itself
Jan 10 18:02:37 <Estragon> hi
Jan 10 18:03:05 <Estragon> some websites are stating that all dev are now able to answer market comments
Jan 10 18:03:12 <Estragon> is that true ? I can't find how
Jan 10 18:23:16 <belgianguy> I'm about to go mad
Jan 10 18:23:26 <belgianguy> an my Eclipse rage is about to peak as well
Jan 10 18:23:57 <belgianguy> one would expect that if I comment code, and I run the program on the phone, that Eclipse would overwrite the old version
Jan 10 18:24:06 <belgianguy> and not see now commented code happily executing
Jan 10 18:24:09 <lov> Yes, this is typically what happens.
Jan 10 18:24:15 <lov> It sounds like something is wrong with your client.
Jan 10 18:24:24 <lov> alternately, there's a subtle build error that you didn't notice?
Jan 10 18:24:33 <lov> try going to android settings and changing the build output to verbose?
Jan 10 18:24:54 <belgianguy> verbose really overwhelms, it gets very messy
Jan 10 18:25:25 <belgianguy> I'm hunting for a segfault, and was commenting out lines to see where it happened
Jan 10 18:25:58 <belgianguy> but now I noticed that I was veryfying against an older build
Jan 10 18:26:07 <belgianguy> probably leading me astray
Jan 10 18:26:28 <belgianguy> and I have 3 C++ libs
Jan 10 18:26:38 <belgianguy> > 8000 files Eclipse wants to index
Jan 10 18:26:43 <belgianguy> grinding the pc to a halt
Jan 10 18:27:08 <belgianguy> so now I just delete the 'can't find x' reference, as it usually is something its indexer hasn't seen yet
Jan 10 18:27:30 <belgianguy> but that kinda defeaths the purpose
Jan 10 18:33:25 <belgianguy> oh boy, I'm gonna have to eat my words
Jan 10 18:34:04 <belgianguy> seems there was an include missing, but the clutter of 128 'errors' I usually dismissed as they weren't actual errors
Jan 10 18:35:11 <belgianguy> when I cleaned the project that sole error came forward in the Console view
Jan 10 18:44:47 <Chani> hmm. android's design docs say "For instance, a chat application should not create system notifications while the user is actively chatting with another user." I wonder if they've fixed that in jellybean...
Jan 10 18:50:13 <Da_Rhyno> Hi guys, quick question: When using the NDK, can I open assets using a file stream in C?
Jan 10 18:50:30 <Da_Rhyno> And can I also use it to access External Storage?
Jan 10 18:50:50 <pfn> external storage is easy
Jan 10 18:50:51 <lov> You can access external storage. I'm not sure about referencing Assets
Jan 10 18:50:52 <pfn> just open /sdcard
Jan 10 18:50:59 <pfn> referencing assets is more difficult
Jan 10 18:51:00 <lov> I think that there's a special input stream for assets, etc
Jan 10 18:51:06 <lov> there might be some built-in class you need to use
Jan 10 18:51:06 <pfn> assuming you can get a filedescriptor for assets, you can
Jan 10 18:51:09 <lov> yeah
Jan 10 18:51:26 <Da_Rhyno> I know I'm able to access them in Java using InputStream
Jan 10 18:51:43 <pfn> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/res/AssetManager.html
Jan 10 18:51:44 <Da_Rhyno> What I do here is use an AssetManager class
Jan 10 18:51:47 <pfn> there's an openFd
Jan 10 18:51:48 <Da_Rhyno> Yeah
Jan 10 18:52:05 <pfn> once you have that, you can pass the FD into C
Jan 10 18:52:42 <Da_Rhyno> Yeah
Jan 10 18:52:45 <pfn> interesting, it doesn't give a numeric fd value
Jan 10 18:52:46 * pfn shrugs
Jan 10 18:52:50 <lov> pfn: no, it doesn't.
Jan 10 18:52:58 <lov> That actually may not be an appropriate class
Jan 10 18:53:11 <napster> Hey guys, I just wrote a pretty cool line of code!
Jan 10 18:53:15 <napster> Date timeStamp = sdf.parse(preferences.getString("last_checked_for_update", "Tada...! :) Lets crash it!"));
Jan 10 18:53:17 <napster>  I'm ossam huh? :P
Jan 10 18:53:18 <pfn> if it's in java, it's not that cool
Jan 10 18:53:20 <lov> jabbaland has some quirky IO stuff because it's enterprisy as heck
Jan 10 18:53:43 <lov> napster: totes 4realz yo
Jan 10 18:54:03 <napster> lol
Jan 10 18:55:07 <Da_Rhyno> lol
Jan 10 18:55:29 <Chani> o.0
Jan 10 18:56:16 <Da_Rhyno> So I guess I can't use C's "FILE *fp; fp = fopen("testasset/test.txt", "r");" then?
Jan 10 18:56:19 <ivan> why does this crash immediately on startup? http://paste.lisp.org/display/134550
Jan 10 18:56:26 <pfn> in any case, I dunno about android/harmony/aosp, but java's java.io.FileDescriptor has a private int fd file
Jan 10 18:56:29 <pfn> field
Jan 10 18:56:31 <ivan> debugger was not too helpful and the app does have INTERNET permission
Jan 10 18:56:31 <Chani> I tried to drag&drop a widget in eclipse, from the list on the left to my activity UI.. but as soon as I start dragging, the whole pane showingthe UI turns grey, and I can't successfully drop the widget anywhere.
Jan 10 18:56:32 <pfn> you could access that via reflection
Jan 10 18:56:49 <Chani> how the crap do I add widgets to my UI?
Jan 10 18:56:52 <lov> ivan: call setContentView before you call findViewById
Jan 10 18:57:02 <lov> you're calling findViewByid before you actually lay anything out
Jan 10 18:57:08 <ivan> oooh. thank you.
Jan 10 18:57:31 <pfn> in android, the private field is named 'descriptor'
Jan 10 18:57:31 <lov> Chani: just write the xml, lazybones.
Jan 10 18:57:36 <pfn> you could look it up reflectively that way
Jan 10 18:58:10 <Chani> lov: but that's lots of typing. what's the point of showing a UI that I can't interact with?
Jan 10 18:58:21 <pfn> ah, there's a @hide descriptor in aosp for getInt
Jan 10 18:58:29 <Chani> (plus I'm not actually sure what to write for the thing I'm trying to drag)
Jan 10 18:58:49 <Chani> and why is there a list of widgets there if I can't use them?
Jan 10 18:59:00 <funkbox> becaues
Jan 10 19:04:41 <Chani> aha! the solution... was to restart eclipse. *facepalm*
Jan 10 19:06:07 <Chani> I get the feeling  that's going to be the solution to a lot of eclipse issues.
Jan 10 19:06:19 <NightRavenXS> Chani, hehe yeah, it actually is
Jan 10 19:06:39 <Chani> darn. it didn't fix the clicky links problem though.
Jan 10 19:06:50 <Chani> good thing all the docs are available online too
Jan 10 19:08:50 <Chani> the xml for UI files seems quite verbose. (although, that is a common thing with xml...)
Jan 10 19:23:06 <xorgate> how can i animate a random property on my layout? basically i wish it to call layout.myFunc(animatedValue) during a second
Jan 10 19:23:39 <TripWire> Like a random view on your layout?
Jan 10 19:24:20 <xorgate> so my layout has something like setOffset(int) that offsets a childview by int pixels (and does other things)
Jan 10 19:24:51 <xorgate> and over the course of x seconds i want to animate that
Jan 10 19:25:00 <canadiancow> i think you can animate any property starting in 3.2?
Jan 10 19:25:08 <xorgate> yeh i thought so too but how
Jan 10 19:25:22 <xorgate> hm propertyanimation
Jan 10 19:28:55 <SimonVT> Pfft. helper classes.. Handler and a Scroller!
Jan 10 19:30:30 <Chani> so, do people actually use the emulator a lot to test apps, or do you just use your phone because the emulator's so slow?
Jan 10 19:30:46 <Maurits_> the emulater isn't that slow
Jan 10 19:31:15 <xorgate> yay ObjectAnimator
Jan 10 19:31:18 <SimonVT> Dev on physical devices, use emulator to test configurations you don't have
Jan 10 19:31:30 <Chani> it was for me, and hte interwebs suggest this is a common issue
Jan 10 19:31:40 <Maurits_> it used to be slow
Jan 10 19:31:59 <Maurits_> the x86 image with hw acceleration is much, much faster
Jan 10 19:32:22 <Maurits_> I still prefer on-device, though
Jan 10 19:32:40 <Chani> hrm. I doubt I have an x86 image
Jan 10 19:33:29 <Chani> right now I could use my device, but once I start writing real code, well, I don't want to mess up my phone :)
Jan 10 19:33:46 <Maurits_> as long as you don't have to test ARM code the x86 emu is great
Jan 10 19:34:06 <Maurits_> doesn't support older versions of android than 4.1 I think
Jan 10 19:34:49 <Ark42> So any idea how I can have clickable links in the items in my ListView while still having the whole item itself clickable as normal?
Jan 10 19:36:11 <Chani> Maurits_: I might try it later, then :)
Jan 10 19:36:21 <Chani> seems like saving a snapshot might help too.
Jan 10 19:37:23 <Maurits_> Ark42: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3045872/listview-and-buttons-inside-listview
Jan 10 19:38:26 <Chani> oh weird, "save to snapshot" is disabled.
Jan 10 19:42:51 <Chani> yay, fixed
Jan 10 19:43:09 <Ark42> Maurits_ - I don't think that solution works for me. My OnItemClick is no longer called because I setMovementMethod(LinkMovementMethod.getInstance()) on the TextView for the item
Jan 10 19:43:39 <Chronax> Paging JakeWharton. Can I display a GridView in a Fragment that inherits from SherlockListFragment?
Jan 10 19:43:53 <JakeWharton> no idea
Jan 10 19:44:02 <JakeWharton> just use a normal fragment instead of a list fragment
Jan 10 19:44:14 <JakeWharton> i don't think i've ever used listfragment or listactivity
Jan 10 19:44:28 <Chronax> Ahh, okay. Thanks. ;)
Jan 10 19:45:00 <JakeWharton> if they were smart it would've been AdapterViewFragment or AbsListViewFragment
Jan 10 19:51:59 <grantland> Does anyone know if a WebView has a default timeout?
Jan 10 19:52:33 <gyscos> Hey :) The google play console gives me an error message, stating my payment fee has encountered an error
Jan 10 19:52:53 <gyscos> I've been registered for over a year without a problem
Jan 10 19:53:00 <gyscos> Did this happen to anyone else ?
Jan 10 19:54:22 <Chronax> JakeWharton: "If they were smart."
Jan 10 19:54:45 <Chronax> Anybody played with this Maps V2 API? I've laughed audibly several times while klugeing through it.
Jan 10 19:55:13 <Chronax> It's like they hired Bruce Vilanch to design the API.
Jan 10 19:56:35 <evanc> JakeWharton: I've used ListActivity a couple of times ... for about ten seconds until it's too big of a pain in the ass to continue and I replace all getListView() calls with mListView
Jan 10 19:56:39 <evanc> done
Jan 10 20:20:48 <jonp> anyone know anything about bluestacks?
Jan 10 20:20:53 <jonp> e.g. does it support native Android libraries?
Jan 10 20:28:09 <Fisiu> jonp: what do You mean?
Jan 10 20:28:36 <jonp> bluestacks purports to run Android apps on OSX and Windows: http://www.bluestacks.com/
Jan 10 20:28:48 <jonp> but does it support -- can it support -- Android apps which use native libraries?
Jan 10 20:28:57 <jonp> i'm not sure that's possible or sane
Jan 10 20:29:05 <jonp> but i can't find any info either way on their site
Jan 10 20:31:29 <Fisiu> You can run app with native lib to see it works or not
Jan 10 20:31:58 <KScorp> how can i terminate the program and free used memory?
Jan 10 20:33:54 <Fisiu> KScorp: os will handle that
Jan 10 20:34:13 <Fisiu> can I preview SharedPreferences via ddms?
Jan 10 20:34:31 <DammitJim> I have been looking at the zxing library
Jan 10 20:34:39 <DammitJim> and looking at how I would call it via intent
Jan 10 20:34:54 <DammitJim> is there a specific way in which I need to add the library?
Jan 10 20:35:40 <DammitJim> or I don't need the actual library to compile and that's the whole point of the intent?
Jan 10 20:37:13 <KScorp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1517947/    i wrote this code, when user clicks on Exit button this code will be run, but program still running and there is in running application
Jan 10 20:38:34 <Fisiu> DammitJim: if You need that lib to use it in You application, add it to build path
Jan 10 20:39:29 <SimonVT> Android apps don't have exit buttons
Jan 10 20:39:56 <DammitJim> but I mean... using the intent
Jan 10 20:39:57 <SimonVT> Just stop doing work when your app is paused
Jan 10 20:40:03 <DammitJim> does one need to add the library to the build path?
Jan 10 20:40:17 <DammitJim> or it assumes that when you install the app, it'll "try" to use the intent
Jan 10 20:40:28 <DammitJim> which makes intents super powerful... is that the idea?
Jan 10 20:40:59 <Fisiu> KScorp: if You want finish activity after pressing button, add setOnClickListener and call finish()
Jan 10 20:42:11 <KScorp> Fisiu: finish() just kill current activity , and program goses to activity wich started this activity.
Jan 10 20:43:24 <KScorp> is this a normal close function for a program on android? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1517947/
Jan 10 20:43:55 <Fisiu> KScorp: yes, finish() closes current activity
Jan 10 20:50:09 <Fisiu> KScorp: instead finish() just use moveTaskToBack()
Jan 10 20:50:18 <Fisiu> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#moveTaskToBack%28boolean%29
Jan 10 20:54:38 <xrq> is it a pain to go back and forth between java and the ndk?
Jan 10 20:55:17 <KScorp> Fisiu: it closes the app , but it's still in Ram
Jan 10 20:57:32 <Fisiu> so? if system has enough memory no problem, if system need more resources then app process will be stopped
Jan 10 20:58:41 <SimonVT> There is no normal close function for an android app
Jan 10 20:58:46 <SimonVT> No decent app would ever have one
Jan 10 20:59:13 <KScorp> Fisiu : thanks
Jan 10 20:59:31 <KScorp> SimonVT: thanks
Jan 10 21:00:56 <Chani> since we're on the subject, what about when you're debugging? do you just leave the emulator/phone runningthe old version of hte app until you want to test a new version?
Jan 10 21:01:41 <chiggins> Quick question. Is there a way to analyze what's happening in memory for a specific app? Some app that I'm not programming, just wanting to do security research on
Jan 10 21:02:14 <SimonVT> Depends how you define running
Jan 10 21:04:31 <SimonVT> if you mean paused, not doing any work (unless you offer background sync or something), idle in memory, then yes, just leave it 'running'
Jan 10 21:04:48 <Chani> heh, good point :)
Jan 10 21:04:50 <SimonVT> if that's not the behavior, you probably just found a bug
Jan 10 21:05:31 <Chani> hopefulyy the emulator isn't too resource hungry when I'm not interacting with it.
Jan 10 21:07:37 <canadiancow> i finally understand protobufs
Jan 10 21:08:33 <DammitJim> canadiancow, are there sample servers to play around with protobufs?
Jan 10 21:08:41 <canadiancow> i doubt it?
Jan 10 21:08:45 <DammitJim> are they as popular still?
Jan 10 21:08:57 <canadiancow> dunno
Jan 10 21:09:33 <DammitJim> I've never used them, but every time there is a dev meeting to do some kind of web 2.0 project, I still mention them LOL
Jan 10 21:10:04 <canadiancow> "web 2.0" :\
Jan 10 21:10:06 <canadiancow> are you in marketing
Jan 10 21:10:19 <RustyShackleford> are all the android sdk packages in ubuntu's repos?
Jan 10 21:10:41 <DammitJim> lol... no, but that's all I've heard today, so I figured I should pass it on
Jan 10 21:11:00 <RustyShackleford> and would you recommend grabbing those? Or should I just get the bundle from the Android website?
Jan 10 21:11:02 <DammitJim> I'm obviously using the wrong term
Jan 10 21:12:10 <canadiancow> get it from d.android.com
Jan 10 21:12:27 <evanc> DammitJim: yes, protobufs are still popular (?)
Jan 10 21:13:31 <DammitJim> :D
Jan 10 21:24:55 <Insayne> anyone familiar with hasmaps on android ?
Jan 10 21:25:11 <belgianguy> my god getting gdb to work on Eclipse equals to magic
Jan 10 21:25:22 <Insayne> hashmaps*
Jan 10 21:25:29 <MercuryTW> man I've really got to learn gdb
Jan 10 21:25:34 <belgianguy> 34*stopped,reason="signal-received",signal-name="SIGSEGV",signal-meaning="Segmentation fault",thread-id="12",frame={addr="0x48dc66b4",func="glm::detail::tvec4<float>::operator=",args=[{name="this",value="0x492289f0"},{name="v",value="@0x0"}],file="jni/glm/./core/type_vec4.inl",fullname="/home/wietse/workspace/VirtualXperiments/jni/glm/core/type_vec4.inl",line="377"}
Jan 10 21:25:42 <Insayne> belgians just paste
Jan 10 21:25:48 <Insayne> how rude!
Jan 10 21:26:24 <MercuryTW> yeah man, I'm using an inkjet printer to read this irc channel.
Jan 10 21:26:28 <MercuryTW> you're wasting trees man
Jan 10 21:26:52 <belgianguy> I print one letter per page
Jan 10 21:27:31 <belgianguy> http://pastebin.com/tiU9SCkK
Jan 10 21:28:05 <belgianguy> what I can see is that the glm library is somehow doing something with a 0x0 value, and it crashes (I assume div by zero)
Jan 10 21:28:38 <pfn> segmentation fault => null pointer
Jan 10 21:29:11 <pfn> Insayne, they work the same as anywhere else
Jan 10 21:29:17 <belgianguy> yeah, but any idea where I should look, it points to some file deep in the library
Jan 10 21:29:21 <Insayne> yes, alright :)
Jan 10 21:29:25 <MercuryTW> try line 377
Jan 10 21:29:30 <MercuryTW> :P
Jan 10 21:29:56 <Insayne> So it goes into RAM directly, like in most other languages? i.e, its fastest way of accessing key=value construct on the platform ?
Jan 10 21:30:08 <MercuryTW> you're in the function glmm::detail::tvec4<float>::operator=
Jan 10 21:30:23 <belgianguy> MercuryTW: aha, yeah I've been suspecting that to be the culprit
Jan 10 21:30:32 <belgianguy> but the values of the function all check out :s
Jan 10 21:30:33 <belgianguy> mProjectionMatrix = glm::frustum(left, right, bottom, top, near, far);
Jan 10 21:30:34 <MercuryTW> specifically, the call is this = v
Jan 10 21:31:31 <MercuryTW> serch your code for this = v
Jan 10 21:32:57 <belgianguy> hmm, wouldn't be mine then, can't remember doing so, but maybe a bug in the lib
Jan 10 21:33:10 <pfn> look up the stack
Jan 10 21:33:14 <Insayne> pfn ?
Jan 10 21:33:14 <MercuryTW> ^ that
Jan 10 21:33:21 <Insayne> heh, so you dont know :P
Jan 10 21:33:35 <pfn> don't know?  don't feel like answering, since it's a trivial question
Jan 10 21:33:46 <Insayne> how can performance be trivial ?
Jan 10 21:33:58 <Insayne> what kind of developer would say that?
Jan 10 21:34:03 <Insayne> i know this is java.. but come on
Jan 10 21:34:15 <pfn> because a hash map is a hash map is a hash map
Jan 10 21:34:54 <Insayne> not necessarily, read and access times from RAM are different than flash or SD Card, so how muchi t buffers into RAM, and how its controlled is important
Jan 10 21:35:17 <pfn> why would you even think that it writes to disk?
Jan 10 21:35:38 <Insayne> you update hashmaps, you dump them as well, and its read acces time that I am concerned about time
Jan 10 21:35:41 <Insayne> about*
Jan 10 21:35:45 <evanc> Insayne: uh, what?
Jan 10 21:35:51 <evanc> hashmap is always in RAM
Jan 10 21:35:54 <canadiancow> pfn, unless it's not a hashmap
Jan 10 21:36:01 <pfn> canadiancow, ikr?
Jan 10 21:36:16 <Insayne> well, since you have limited size of RAM on the damn devices, what if it exceeds it?
Jan 10 21:36:25 <pfn> you run out of memory
Jan 10 21:36:27 <Insayne> hence why i specifically came into android-dev, not #iwannalearn2code
Jan 10 21:36:30 <pfn> like any other piece of software in the world
Jan 10 21:36:33 <Insayne> okay, there we go
Jan 10 21:36:34 <evanc> Insayne: then you get an OutOfMemoryException
Jan 10 21:36:40 <Insayne> nope, in windows it dumps to hdd, temp file
Jan 10 21:36:45 <evanc> Insayne: that's cute.
Jan 10 21:36:49 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 10 21:36:50 <evanc> since when is Android on Windows?
Jan 10 21:36:54 <pfn> no, it windows, it does not dump to hdd/temp file
Jan 10 21:36:56 <canadiancow> windows doesnt do that
Jan 10 21:37:00 <evanc> yeah
Jan 10 21:37:01 <pfn> learn2programplskthxbye
Jan 10 21:37:01 <pfn> :)
Jan 10 21:37:04 <canadiancow> if windows has a pagefile setup, it uses that
Jan 10 21:37:14 <canadiancow> but that's effectively "ram" at the app level
Jan 10 21:37:15 <pfn> you have virtual memory, every platform has it
Jan 10 21:37:17 <Insayne> yes, wich sits on the hdd
Jan 10 21:37:25 <pfn> that's irrelevant from the data structure itself
Jan 10 21:37:28 <Insayne> thus you deal with those access times
Jan 10 21:37:30 <canadiancow> your android device is not going to run out of memory
Jan 10 21:37:40 <Insayne> no, but a 2.x device might
Jan 10 21:37:42 <canadiancow> you're going to exceed the per-app limit
Jan 10 21:37:43 <evanc> Insayne: bottom line, that won't ever happen
Jan 10 21:37:46 <canadiancow> but the DEVICE wont run out
Jan 10 21:37:47 <Insayne> so its about backwards compatibility im worried
Jan 10 21:37:50 <evanc> Insayne: no, that's not how android works. Period.
Jan 10 21:38:12 <evanc> Insayne: your process gets XX mb of memory. If you exceed that, an exception is thrown
Jan 10 21:38:18 <evanc> you never get paged out to disk
Jan 10 21:38:23 <Insayne> i see
Jan 10 21:38:31 <Insayne> well that answers my question :)
Jan 10 21:38:31 <evanc> it also has diddly to do with a HashMap
Jan 10 21:38:41 <pfn> and in windows, if you make an allocation that exceeds available contiguous memory, you don't get paged out to disk
Jan 10 21:38:46 <evanc> yes
Jan 10 21:38:47 <Insayne> well, its the same fallback logic, so its just not function specific
Jan 10 21:38:50 <pfn> you get a gpf
Jan 10 21:39:03 <pfn> it's basic operating systems 101
Jan 10 21:39:08 <belgianguy> who would've though
Jan 10 21:39:10 <belgianguy> t*
Jan 10 21:39:19 <belgianguy> "Search encountered a problem..."
Jan 10 21:39:24 * belgianguy sighs
Jan 10 21:39:49 <belgianguy> let's just grep for it
Jan 10 21:40:04 <belgianguy> Eclipse starts to rank just above waterboarding at the moment
Jan 10 21:40:06 <Insayne> well thanks anyhow :P
Jan 10 21:40:26 <pfn> well, not gpf, that's a segmentation fault, heh
Jan 10 21:40:51 <Insayne> pfn, i still disagree with you on that, it is moved to the page file
Jan 10 21:40:55 <Insayne> to my knowledge and experience
Jan 10 21:41:02 <pfn> your experience is lacking
Jan 10 21:41:09 <Insayne> or yours :)
Jan 10 21:41:11 <pfn> you get a null return from your malloc function
Jan 10 21:41:29 <Insayne> it wont give a malloc when its moved to the page file at all
Jan 10 21:42:02 <Insayne> why would you get a null return in the first place ? you never notice when the os switches it up for you, except from the speed not being present
Jan 10 21:42:25 <pfn> try allocating >1gb on a 32bit system, you'll never get the memory, unless you allocate in small chunks
Jan 10 21:42:44 <pfn> small(er)
Jan 10 21:43:07 <pfn> limit's actually a little higher, but the concept still stands
Jan 10 21:43:09 <Insayne> that would again be how the OS handles
Jan 10 21:43:13 <Insayne> its higher, its 2GB on windows
Jan 10 21:43:17 <pfn> has nothing to do with how the os handles
Jan 10 21:43:54 <evanc> Insayne: you know just enough to be dangerously wrong
Jan 10 21:44:01 <Insayne> lmao
Jan 10 21:44:12 <Insayne> i love that
Jan 10 21:44:23 <Insayne> <3 to you as well
Jan 10 21:47:01 <ctate> ... in the membrayne?
Jan 10 21:47:53 <evanc> ctate: but does membrayne get paged out to hddbrayne automatically?
Jan 10 21:48:07 <Insayne> it gets shifted, you know
Jan 10 21:50:33 * ctate |  In 2012, the song ["Insane in the Brain" by Cypress Hill] was used to show that axons transmit electricity from sound to chromatophores of a dead Longfin Inshore Squid to create a colourful display of the music.
Jan 10 21:50:34 <ctate> TIL!
Jan 10 21:51:06 <Insayne> its always fun to learn inner workings on IRC, if it doesn't come with a debate, i suppose i wouldn't remember it well enough :P
Jan 10 21:53:59 <MercuryTW> howdy trinity
Jan 10 21:56:07 <AlCapwn> when you write to a parcel, you have to read it back out in reverse order right? so if writeString and then writeInt, you would do readInt and readString?
Jan 10 21:56:18 <evanc> no
Jan 10 21:56:34 <evanc> writeString/writeInt -> readString/readInt
Jan 10 21:56:44 <AlCapwn> oh, ok
Jan 10 21:58:00 <Trinity> hi MercuryTW
Jan 10 21:58:22 <shmooz> hello!
Jan 10 21:59:31 <gkatsev> so, I have an async task progress updater for a video. I have another object that listens to these progress events and periodically executes another async task that fires an HTTP request. However, these http request tasks for some reason get queued up until the video gets paused. And ideas why? How to track down the problem and fix it?
Jan 10 22:00:08 <evanc> gkatsev: AsyncTasks are executed serially, not in parallel
Jan 10 22:00:19 <evanc> you have to set the executor for the ones which you want to run in parallel
Jan 10 22:00:27 <Trinity> gkatsev: for what you want i think a worker thread would be better
Jan 10 22:00:30 <gkatsev> ah
Jan 10 22:00:39 <evanc> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html#executeOnExecutor(java.util.concurrent.Executor, Params...)
Jan 10 22:00:49 <Trinity> oh, nvmd
Jan 10 22:00:56 <gkatsev> evanc: thanks
Jan 10 22:01:29 <pragma-> I just use threads and handlers because I'm hardcore like that
Jan 10 22:01:50 <pragma-> asynctask is too hand-holdy
Jan 10 22:02:01 <gkatsev> pragma-: heh
Jan 10 22:02:32 <Trinity> gkatsev: evanc's link got cut off
Jan 10 22:02:50 <Trinity> but when you copy and paste it into url you'll see a warning: about stability issues
Jan 10 22:03:10 <Trinity> and it's also api 11/3.0
Jan 10 22:03:11 <gkatsev> Trinity: that's fine, now that I know where to look I can find out more info
Jan 10 22:04:24 <Trinity> gkatsev: you're just doing a download and a progress bar update right? whats wrong with just 1 asynctask?
Jan 10 22:04:27 <pragma-> I only use things that are API 8 or older, or provided via the support/compat libraries/packages!
Jan 10 22:05:17 <gkatsev> Trinity: not a download, just firing events at various intervals throughout a video.
Jan 10 22:05:34 <gkatsev> but I have a lot of other async tasks
Jan 10 22:06:30 <ctate> hm i don't remember whether the scala fiend is pragma- or pfn.
Jan 10 22:06:33 <ctate> i am ashamed.
Jan 10 22:06:53 <gkatsev> idk whether he was a fiend, but I think pfn has used scala
Jan 10 22:06:57 <ctate> because http://code.google.com/p/jgo/
Jan 10 22:07:03 <ctate> which is headsplody
Jan 10 22:07:09 <pfn> jgo?  eh
Jan 10 22:07:22 <pfn> hah
Jan 10 22:07:24 <pfn> kinda funny
Jan 10 22:07:27 <gkatsev> heh
Jan 10 22:07:36 <pfn> why even bother with go if you're already on the jvm...
Jan 10 22:07:37 <Trinity> right, can't you group all of that in ONE asynctask and call runOnUIThread in onBackgroudnTasks if you do need to fire tasks?
Jan 10 22:07:39 * pfn headscratches
Jan 10 22:07:50 <gkatsev> Trinity: not really
Jan 10 22:08:00 <MercuryTW> anyone wanna tell me if this is ok or if it's too much overhead: http://pastebin.com/Bt1djzjv
Jan 10 22:08:10 <pfn> ctate, and yeah, I <3 scala
Jan 10 22:08:19 <pfn> I need to ramp up my search for a scala job
Jan 10 22:08:28 <pfn> got turned down for a job at nest... them buttheads
Jan 10 22:08:28 <MercuryTW> alternatively, I'd keep an array of byte[] and dynamically allocate more as needed
Jan 10 22:08:41 <MercuryTW> sorry to hear that pfn :/
Jan 10 22:08:51 <Insayne> well, there will be others :)
Jan 10 22:08:55 <MercuryTW> you seem to know your shit though, I'm sure you'll do fine
Jan 10 22:08:58 <pfn> MercuryTW, that's normal
Jan 10 22:09:02 <pfn> MercuryTW, oh, I'm employed
Jan 10 22:09:08 <pfn> I'm extremely picky about where I'll work
Jan 10 22:09:13 <Insayne> you dont always get the first job, i do, but most ppl dont :)
Jan 10 22:09:14 <MercuryTW> ^ respectable
Jan 10 22:09:17 <Insayne> j/k
Jan 10 22:09:33 <pfn> nest was interesting because of their thermostat, and that they're a scala shop
Jan 10 22:09:44 <pfn> 3/4 interviewers <3 me, the last one was a recent college grad...
Jan 10 22:09:46 <pfn> prick
Jan 10 22:10:17 <Trinity> gkatsev: why not?
Jan 10 22:10:27 * Insayne gives a hug to pfn
Jan 10 22:10:37 * pragma- intercepts hug
Jan 10 22:10:42 <gkatsev> Trinity: because of separation of concerns.
Jan 10 22:10:46 <Insayne> segfault it to the pagefile ?
Jan 10 22:10:47 <Insayne> :P
Jan 10 22:11:06 <pfn> MercuryTW, anyway, what you pasted is normal for copying streams
Jan 10 22:11:07 <pragma-> ew, wait, i don't like hugs
Jan 10 22:11:28 <pfn> MercuryTW, baos has some crappy growth ratios, but otherwise, it's reasonable
Jan 10 22:11:31 <MercuryTW> mkay. I just felt a bit dirty separating the input and output by a buffer
Jan 10 22:11:32 <Trinity> gkatsev: how many asynctasks are you firing off right now. ex your concerns please
Jan 10 22:11:45 * pragma- gives you a manly butt-slap
Jan 10 22:12:10 <pfn> MercuryTW, but if your final destination is a byte array
Jan 10 22:12:14 <pfn> MercuryTW, and you know the input size
Jan 10 22:12:17 <pfn> MercuryTW, just doa  little math
Jan 10 22:12:32 <MercuryTW> oh duh
Jan 10 22:12:35 <gkatsev> Trinity: there's an asynctask that handles the http firing and a different one that handles getting the progress from the video.
Jan 10 22:12:36 <pragma-> or a manly hand-shake one armed hug single pat
Jan 10 22:12:42 <pragma-> bro.
Jan 10 22:13:09 <Insayne> wear a monocole for additional class in that
Jan 10 22:13:11 <MercuryTW> assuming that butt slap was not directed at me
Jan 10 22:13:27 <pfn> byte[] buf = new byte[inputlength]; int start = 0,read = 0; while (read = in.read(buf, start, inputlength) != -1) { start += read; inputlength-=read }
Jan 10 22:13:30 <pfn> something like that
Jan 10 22:13:46 <evanc> pfn: what if inputlength is something massive?
Jan 10 22:13:48 <brx_> Im trying to build ffmpeg with libopencore-amr support, I can build this http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffmpeg4android/ and get a static binary which works on the device. However when I add --enable-libopencore-amrnb this never makes any difference to the resultant binary :<
Jan 10 22:13:50 <MercuryTW> it's from a file so I can just do infile.length()
Jan 10 22:13:55 <pfn> evanc, then you better not be using a BAOS either
Jan 10 22:14:01 <MercuryTW> and yeah, that's my other concern. it's a big file
Jan 10 22:14:08 <pfn> how big is it
Jan 10 22:14:08 <MercuryTW> * it could be a big file
Jan 10 22:14:14 <pfn> if it's big, you should be using a MappedByteBuffer
Jan 10 22:14:14 <Trinity> gkatsev: so what i'm saying whats wrong with streaming in the videodata from the httpget or post through asynctask doInBackground, calculating the current bytes streamed in and updating the progress bar. Since you want "intervals" or stops whats wrong with updating UI or wahtever you neeed in that same asynctask
Jan 10 22:14:14 <Insayne> pfn, how rude of you to ask
Jan 10 22:14:15 <Insayne> heh
Jan 10 22:14:28 <evanc> pfn: fair
Jan 10 22:14:31 <MercuryTW> 19 KB
Jan 10 22:14:42 <brx_> anyone worked with ffmpeg-ar at all by any cance?
Jan 10 22:14:48 <ctate> 19KB is not a big file.
Jan 10 22:14:50 <MercuryTW> just ffmpeg
Jan 10 22:14:53 <ctate> 19 MB would be a big file :)
Jan 10 22:15:01 <MercuryTW> I know but it's the principle of the thing lol
Jan 10 22:15:08 <pfn> if it's largish, you can consider using a MappedByteBuffer
Jan 10 22:15:11 <pragma-> 19mb is small potatoes!
Jan 10 22:15:13 <brx_> MercuryTW, did you add any additional support for external stuff?
Jan 10 22:15:14 <pfn> something about 1mb would be reasonable
Jan 10 22:15:23 <pfn> s/about/above
Jan 10 22:15:28 <gkatsev> Trinity: because more than one object will be using the progress events.
Jan 10 22:15:51 <MercuryTW> what do you mean, brx? I only used it a bit. what are you trying to do
Jan 10 22:16:16 <brx_> I want to include support for opencore-amr, which allows you to encode amrnb/amrwb audio
Jan 10 22:16:21 <gkatsev> Trinity: the progress update task should only do send out progress events. The http request task should only do http requests.
Jan 10 22:16:40 <gkatsev> but since I need API 8 at least, guess I can't use AsyncTask
Jan 10 22:16:47 <MercuryTW> Sorry, I've never done custom stuff for it. I could help more if you asked about gstreamer though
Jan 10 22:16:57 <brx_> ok no worries MercuryTW
Jan 10 22:17:04 <Trinity> gkatsev: what api are you using?
Jan 10 22:17:26 <gkatsev> 8
Jan 10 22:17:56 <Trinity> asynctask is api 3...
Jan 10 22:18:02 <brx_> lol was gonna say
Jan 10 22:18:06 <gkatsev> yes, but executeonExecutor is 11
Jan 10 22:18:18 <pfn> why do you need executeonexecturo?
Jan 10 22:18:19 <gkatsev> since I want to run that specific task in parallel
Jan 10 22:18:22 <evanc> gkatsev: before API 11 they executed in parallel
Jan 10 22:18:30 <evanc> gkatsev: so just call that on >= API 11
Jan 10 22:18:34 <pfn> and yes, that change was so annoying
Jan 10 22:18:42 <pfn> I remember hitting that change, and pulling my hair out
Jan 10 22:18:48 <pfn> wtf weren't my asynctasks running...
Jan 10 22:18:59 <pfn> then I found out that they ran serially... fml
Jan 10 22:19:10 <gkatsev> evanc: oh, hm...
Jan 10 22:19:28 <pfn> and running serially only changed with ics
Jan 10 22:19:40 <pfn> executeonexecutor was added in hc
Jan 10 22:19:43 <Estragon> im trying to implement in-app billing v3, it was working for a while but now the service is returning me a void PendingIntent when I getBuyIntent :(
Jan 10 22:20:31 <gkatsev> ok, so, how can I check if the API level is at least 11 and then call executeonExecutor?
Jan 10 22:20:40 <pfn> check Build
Jan 10 22:20:41 <brx_> has anyone got a spare 10 minutes that could attempt to run a build script for me? ( i will give you cyber-sexual favors )
Jan 10 22:20:45 <Trinity> Estragon: what did you change?
Jan 10 22:21:04 <pragma-> brx_: I want a sample of these favors before I commit myself
Jan 10 22:21:22 <Estragon> Trinity: I can't find something related. I only uploaded a draft app on the dev console
Jan 10 22:21:26 <Trinity> gkatsev: gkatsev: i'm still saying man you only need 1 asynctask. just searched this up its for music but maybe it'll clarify. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8397983/how-to-use-async-task-for-audio-streaming-in-android
Jan 10 22:21:28 <Insayne> brx_ : how many words of the english dictionary are you aware of?
Jan 10 22:21:44 <Estragon> oh
Jan 10 22:21:49 <brx_> a meager amount Insayne
Jan 10 22:22:01 <Estragon> I know, I bought the item and now it won't let me buy it anymore cause it's managed
Jan 10 22:22:02 <gkatsev> Trinity: that isn't what I'm doing. But thanks, may be useful sometime
Jan 10 22:22:03 <brx_> but i will perform to my best abilities
Jan 10 22:22:03 <Trinity> gkatsev: FYI you can apss multiple objects to asynctask
Jan 10 22:22:04 <Estragon> nice
Jan 10 22:22:23 <gkatsev> pfn: Build.VERSION.SDK_INT?
Jan 10 22:22:24 <brx_> pragma-, could you help me please?
Jan 10 22:22:37 <pfn> gkatsev, yes
Jan 10 22:23:20 <gkatsev> thanks
Jan 10 22:23:21 <languish> evan you around?
Jan 10 22:23:54 <Insayne> brx_, your cybering skills won't say me then, sorry. But there are people who like the prospect of the foreigner/unable to communicate properly aspect there.
Jan 10 22:24:02 <ctate> ...
Jan 10 22:24:06 <MercuryTW> is there a way to safely cast from a double to an int, checking for overflow?
Jan 10 22:24:08 <Insayne> sway*
Jan 10 22:24:18 <Insayne> ctate, you got lower standards?
Jan 10 22:24:26 <ctate> Insayne:  not sure if you're trolling or just being kind of a dick here, but cut it out.
Jan 10 22:24:45 <Insayne> alright, i return to idling
Jan 10 22:24:56 <Insayne> i was actually meaning it in a harmless chatter/banter way
Jan 10 22:25:05 <brx_> sry Insayne, didnt mean to drag you down
Jan 10 22:25:08 <ctate> it was getting hard to tell.
Jan 10 22:25:17 <languish> ctate, I have a privacy issue on an android device I'd like to poke someone at google about... are you up for it?
Jan 10 22:25:19 <MercuryTW> this would be much easier in assembly :P
Jan 10 22:25:19 <Insayne> yeah, no worries, irc and such
Jan 10 22:26:05 <languish> (Also hi man, ltnc)
Jan 10 22:26:12 <ctate> languish: um, you can talk to me but i can do exactly zero about such things....
Jan 10 22:26:29 <languish> You could pass the word up the company comm lines perhaps?
Jan 10 22:26:32 <Insayne> but he is nice, he listens to your problems, or your day, thats how much google cares :P
Jan 10 22:26:36 <Insayne> j/k, now i go, sorry
Jan 10 22:26:53 <Trinity> Insayne: i couldn't understand you until i got that say was sway hahaha, talk about irony ;0
Jan 10 22:27:04 <Insayne> ^^
Jan 10 22:27:10 <ctate> languish: well, i'm *curious*.  :)
Jan 10 22:27:14 <languish> haha
Jan 10 22:28:35 <MercuryTW> wait does a double have a higher maxval than int?
Jan 10 22:28:39 <languish> ctate, simply put... on a new Note 2 that has never had a sim card inserted, never connected via wifi with an IP, never had a google account set up... a unique personal user setting is being retained after a master reset of the device
Jan 10 22:28:54 <ctate> wtf
Jan 10 22:29:12 <ctate> also note [ha!] that Google and the Android team were not involved in that product's development
Jan 10 22:29:16 <ctate> it's pure Samsung
Jan 10 22:29:24 <languish> nod
Jan 10 22:29:25 <ctate> what's being retained through factory resets?
Jan 10 22:29:47 <ctate> you can pm me about it
Jan 10 22:29:54 <languish> added a partial wifi network connection, SSID and password, but not ip (for a static connection)
Jan 10 22:29:55 <ctate> if you prefer
Jan 10 22:30:15 <languish> it's unique and being retained between wipes
Jan 10 22:30:30 <languish> If that's being retained... I wonder if anything else is.
Jan 10 22:30:41 <ctate> ssid + password, so it auto-connects when wifi is turned on?
Jan 10 22:30:48 <languish> yes
Jan 10 22:30:56 <ctate> good grief
Jan 10 22:31:23 <pfn> that's odd
Jan 10 22:31:25 <languish> it's a serious privacy issue afaik.
Jan 10 22:31:29 <pfn> how's it getting retained if /data is wiped
Jan 10 22:31:36 <ctate> yeah that is what i want to know.
Jan 10 22:31:44 <languish> Idouble checked it
Jan 10 22:31:47 <ctate> now, Samsung has a history of using a bunch of random wacky partitions internally
Jan 10 22:31:49 <languish> and triple checked it
Jan 10 22:32:16 <languish> and ensured the data backup settings on the device were disabled
Jan 10 22:32:35 <ctate> if you aren't ever logging in to a google account, backup/restore won't be involved
Jan 10 22:32:44 <languish> I was being thorough
Jan 10 22:33:03 <Trinity> languish, check sd card? through usb
Jan 10 22:33:12 <languish> empty
Jan 10 22:33:22 <languish> and thee is no microsd card in the device
Jan 10 22:33:26 <languish> *there
Jan 10 22:33:27 <ctate> okay, so.  i have never heard of this sort of faiulre mode before.
Jan 10 22:33:29 <Trinity> harddrive*
Jan 10 22:33:57 <ctate> and the reference implementation (i.e. the Nexus implementation on all of Google's devices) uses only a single writeable disk partition, which is reformatted on factory reset
Jan 10 22:34:10 <Trinity> woah, http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/10/03/how-your-android-smartphone-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you/
Jan 10 22:34:15 <ctate> it's possible Samsung has fucked stuff up
Jan 10 22:34:17 <pfn> languish, so, fresh install -> adb shell and dig through everything under / to find where it's stored
Jan 10 22:34:26 <ctate> it would not be the first time that an OEM's customizations have cuased trouble
Jan 10 22:34:30 <pfn> languish, then go file an issue with samsung
Jan 10 22:34:38 <languish> pfn in process
Jan 10 22:34:43 <ctate> pfn:  you can't see the disk via adb on a retail device
Jan 10 22:34:52 <languish> it's something to test on other devices, just in case
Jan 10 22:35:00 <pfn> eh?
Jan 10 22:35:04 <languish> I just don't have non-samsung devices handy
Jan 10 22:35:20 <languish> none I can wipe right now anyway
Jan 10 22:35:21 <Trinity> languish: nope, i have samsung tab II no issue here done it before
Jan 10 22:35:41 <Trinity> Nexus S as well no error if my memory serves correctly
Jan 10 22:35:47 <belgianguy> I think if el Goog is in the loop they'll make some more haste :)
Jan 10 22:36:01 <languish> Trinity, I'm not sure you really follow the process I followed :)
Jan 10 22:36:21 <ctate> languish: it is definitely something to try to reproduce on other devices
Jan 10 22:36:43 <Trinity> languish: i can test it right now if you wish, your process.
Jan 10 22:37:38 <pragma-> ctate: define "see the disk"
Jan 10 22:37:58 <ctate> pragma-:  the shell user doesn't have the +rx on most of the disk.
Jan 10 22:38:17 <ctate> and on retail devices you can't su
Jan 10 22:38:25 <pragma-> that's why we root our devices
Jan 10 22:38:29 <Trinity> ^ hahaha
Jan 10 22:38:54 <Trinity> ctate: what's googles "emotions" on rooting anyways?
Jan 10 22:39:23 <ctate> we're the ones who pushed for hte existence of 'fastboot oem unlock'.  what do you think our position is?  ;)
Jan 10 22:40:25 <Trinity> languish: http://www.knowyourcell.com/samsung/samsunggalaxynoteII/galaxynote2userguides/1635094/how_to_hard_reset_your_samsung_galaxy_note_2.html
Jan 10 22:40:28 <Trinity> try the 2nd method
Jan 10 22:40:35 <languish> the steps are simple. Take a new device. Do not insert the sim card, do not insert a microsd card. Begin the new user setup. skip most steps or do not enter any account info, until you get to the wifi setup (pretty early on in the setup). Use add connection. Create a unique ssid for an AP that uses a hidden ssid and does not have DHCP enabled. (so it never actually connects to the net). Let it fail to attain an ip. move on to the next setup steps by skipping
Jan 10 22:41:00 <languish> then go back through the setup and see if the unique ssid/connection you created is retained in the wifi setup
Jan 10 22:41:42 <ctate> what do you mean by "go back through the setup"?
Jan 10 22:42:07 <ctate> and when you say "move on to the next setup steps by skipping" does that mean to *complete* setup, all the way to the Launcher?
Jan 10 22:42:11 <languish> well, after you master reset the device, it should give you the new user setup again
Jan 10 22:42:11 <Trinity> i think you're confused between microsd
Jan 10 22:42:22 <ctate> followed by a factory reset via Settings?
Jan 10 22:42:30 <languish> yes complete setup by skipping each step
Jan 10 22:42:34 <ctate> okay
Jan 10 22:42:41 <languish> correct
Jan 10 22:44:10 <ctate> to reiterate, this sounds like a product-specific bug
Jan 10 22:44:12 <Trinity> so, factory reset phone, skip every step until you hit wifi (access router through access point without DHCP connect to router but not internet) skip skip skip, settings -> wifi
Jan 10 22:44:50 <languish> ctate, I'm not doubting you. Just testing
Jan 10 22:45:03 <languish> Trinity yes
Jan 10 22:45:08 <Trinity> i only have DHCP but is it okay if i just unplug the phone cord?
Jan 10 22:45:13 <ctate> i say that also to provide some guidance as far as who will need to deal with the problem :)
Jan 10 22:45:24 <languish> :)
Jan 10 22:46:08 <languish> ctate, well it's a heads up for google in case some fruity fellows begin to rant about android retaining user data after a master reset...etc
Jan 10 22:46:17 <ctate> ha ha
Jan 10 22:46:48 <belgianguy> tbh lately it aint so much the fruities that pipe up but rather the softies
Jan 10 22:46:54 <languish> and just in case it really isn't a product specific bug
Jan 10 22:47:28 <languish> or if it affects more than one product
Jan 10 22:47:36 <languish> but not all
Jan 10 22:50:26 <languish> Trinity, I'll give the second method a try in a moment. The real issue in my mind has to do with owners selling or returning their devices to a cellco, store or for warranty - thinking they had wiped their data completely when it isn't the case.
Jan 10 22:51:42 <JakeWharton> do nested fragments contribute menu items?
Jan 10 22:56:16 <canadiancow> i hope so?
Jan 10 22:56:27 <canadiancow> chrome beta \o/
Jan 10 22:56:34 <ctate> oh yay they updated http://tools.android.com/recent/
Jan 10 22:56:40 <ctate> it had gotten pretty stale :)
Jan 10 22:56:46 <languish> \o/
Jan 10 22:56:49 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 10 22:56:57 <canadiancow> ctate can you build me a new tool
Jan 10 22:57:05 <JakeWharton> you hope so?
Jan 10 22:57:08 <JakeWharton> i hope not
Jan 10 22:57:24 <ctate> i'll need to be your manager.
Jan 10 22:57:28 <canadiancow> oh ctate the new tools have your/chainfire's aapt improvement?
Jan 10 22:57:55 <ctate> yes
Jan 10 22:57:59 <canadiancow> :D
Jan 10 22:58:01 <ctate> actually those went out a week or two ago
Jan 10 22:58:09 <canadiancow> have i been running old tools that long?
Jan 10 22:58:09 <ctate> but the release notes were cobwebby
Jan 10 22:58:11 <canadiancow> when did 21.0.1 go out
Jan 10 22:58:27 <JakeWharton> 11 minutes ago
Jan 10 22:58:35 <ctate> a week or so?
Jan 10 22:58:37 <ctate> i forget
Jan 10 22:58:47 <ctate> the *new* thing is the preview 21.1
Jan 10 22:59:56 <ctate> canadiancow:  https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/46496/
Jan 10 23:00:21 <canadiancow> yes i know that
Jan 10 23:00:26 <canadiancow> but that went into faster
Jan 10 23:00:28 <canadiancow> master*
Jan 10 23:06:55 <languish> trinity, just to note... those instructions.. to hold down volume and power on power up... boot the phone in to a "safe mode" ... but doesn't give me the mention suggested in the options
Jan 10 23:07:33 <languish> err the options suggested in the article
Jan 10 23:07:41 * languish slappa self
Jan 10 23:07:51 <languish> that's what I get for trying to type and hold a convo
Jan 10 23:08:49 <Trinity> languish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4G_jxgm1xs
Jan 10 23:09:42 <Trinity> oh wait rofl tahts hard reset
Jan 10 23:10:04 <Estragon> that's odd, I have "user is not eligible for this purchase" but I added the google account as test account :(
Jan 10 23:10:07 <Trinity> nvmd im a dumbass, its scary if that still doesnt work since " if you forgot your password or its frozen "
Jan 10 23:10:21 <Trinity> Estragon: is your app in console as a draft?
Jan 10 23:10:45 <g00s> is 21.0.1 out? my sdk updates says i have 21 installed and a new version 21.0 is ready
Jan 10 23:10:51 <Estragon> Trinity: yep, the item is visible
Jan 10 23:11:23 <Estragon> on my main device with my main account I have "owner can't purchase item blabla"
Jan 10 23:11:42 <Trinity> Estragon: 2 keys to getting in app working and testable - 1. upload signed apk as a draft to console and get the item published in question published (not the app). 2. make sure youre debugging the same version of that signed apk
Jan 10 23:11:42 <Estragon> and on my test device with test account I have "user is not eligible for this purchase"
Jan 10 23:11:57 <Trinity> Estragon: how long has the apk been drafted for?
Jan 10 23:12:03 <Estragon> about 1 hour
Jan 10 23:12:14 <Estragon> but the test account is there for few months
Jan 10 23:12:20 <Estragon> and the item is showing just fine
Jan 10 23:12:23 <Trinity> https://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/billing_testing.html#billing-testing-real
Jan 10 23:13:26 <Trinity> so youre testing a real app, in that case youh ave to import a "signed" apk to device and install it
Jan 10 23:13:48 <Trinity> also make sure your test device with test account isnt buying a managed item
Jan 10 23:13:57 <Estragon> yep, I adb installed the same apk as the one I uploaded to draft
Jan 10 23:14:02 <Estragon> oh
Jan 10 23:14:05 <Estragon> it's managed
Jan 10 23:14:14 <Estragon> what's wrong with testing managed items ?
Jan 10 23:14:26 <Trinity> well youve been testing with it, as of v3 i believe google saves data on managed items
Jan 10 23:14:47 <Trinity> so "user is not eligible for this purchase" probably means you "purchased" this item again and you're not eligible ;)
Jan 10 23:14:52 <Trinity> already*
Jan 10 23:14:53 <ctate> languish:  a question about your repro instructions on that wifi thing
Jan 10 23:15:02 <ctate> are you giving it a *bogus* ssid, for which there is no actual AP?
Jan 10 23:15:03 <Estragon> nop
Jan 10 23:15:10 <Estragon> no way I bought it already
Jan 10 23:15:34 <Estragon> well, I will sleep and see if it's just a matter of time :)
Jan 10 23:15:37 <Trinity> ok, well lets do this dont use test device as of right now. im pretty sure thats whats happening.
Jan 10 23:16:12 <Trinity> export a SIGNED apk out and dont use adb. use usb storage and download "apk installer" and install that signed apk. not debuggable apk
Jan 10 23:16:28 <Trinity> make sure the apk signed out is NOT debuggable*
Jan 10 23:16:41 <Trinity> and test it on your main device
Jan 10 23:17:12 <Estragon> on my main device I have "The publisher cannot purchase this item"
Jan 10 23:17:16 <Estragon> which is correct
Jan 10 23:18:34 <languish> ctate, I'm giving it a real (hidden) ssid for a wifi router that doesn't have DHCP enabled
Jan 10 23:19:08 <FernandoMiguel> and there goes 30 min of my life laughing http://youtu.be/VPDkgFNFtxg #BBT
Jan 10 23:19:19 <Estragon> Trinity: I really think I made all points listed on the todolist so I will just wait until tomorrow and see
Jan 10 23:19:23 <Estragon> thanks for your ideas
Jan 10 23:19:38 <g00s> Archos has some nicely spec'd tablets for the price; anyone know how good they are wrt updates ?
Jan 10 23:19:46 <languish> (and does have wpa2 enabled)
Jan 10 23:20:10 <g00s> languish: i couldn't get hidden ssids to work
Jan 10 23:20:14 <ctate> languish: and then you let it try to connect, but fail?
Jan 10 23:20:19 <languish> correct
Jan 10 23:20:31 <languish> it connects to the router, but foesn't get an ip
Jan 10 23:20:35 <languish> *doesn't
Jan 10 23:20:35 <ctate> what if you just set up a totally bogus AP?  same thing?  doesn't persist?  i'm curious.
Jan 10 23:20:40 <languish> that's more accurate
Jan 10 23:20:49 <languish> I'll try
Jan 10 23:20:50 <Trinity> ctate: canadiancow: There was an information help center in dev console that you can put your mobile number in during google working hours and a developer would help you. is that still available?
Jan 10 23:21:05 * ctate has never seen the dev console; ask someone else :)
Jan 10 23:22:54 <canadiancow> what
Jan 10 23:22:57 <canadiancow> ive never heard of that
Jan 10 23:23:08 <g00s> canadiancow: never heard of what ?
Jan 10 23:23:20 <ctate> of the call help thingy, i bet
Jan 10 23:23:21 <canadiancow> phone number -> dev help
Jan 10 23:23:30 <g00s> oh, that would be awesome
Jan 10 23:23:52 <ctate> "Please enter your phone number and bank account number with outstanding balance of at least five figures => dev help"
Jan 10 23:23:58 <canadiancow> +1
Jan 10 23:24:28 <kevinb> i think they have some callback system like that for like nexus 4 RMAs. but not for dev help
Jan 10 23:24:36 <canadiancow> yeah Trinity i have no idea what you're talking about
Jan 10 23:25:01 <g00s> canadiancow: i hope they dont put your number up there :D
Jan 10 23:25:11 <belgianguy> a tech support hotline?
Jan 10 23:25:15 <belgianguy> that'd be ... odd
Jan 10 23:25:29 <g00s> press 1 for a cow, 2 for ctate
Jan 10 23:25:39 <belgianguy> there's the Hangouts IIRC
Jan 10 23:25:39 <ctate> nooooooooooo
Jan 10 23:25:44 <ctate> as opposed to mooooooooooooo
Jan 10 23:26:45 <languish> ctate, it did NOT retain the entry for the bogus ssid
Jan 10 23:26:55 <ctate> interesting
Jan 10 23:27:35 <MercuryTW> damn
Jan 10 23:28:04 <MercuryTW> still getting off by one errors. :/ no one's perfect
Jan 10 23:28:38 <languish> (but it still retains the valid ssid entry)
Jan 10 23:28:42 <languish> meh
Jan 10 23:28:57 <languish> it shouldn't be caching anything after a master reset
Jan 10 23:29:38 <ctate> indeed it shouldn't.
Jan 10 23:29:55 <[1]Trinity> in fact, i still have the support e-mail exchanges after that call
Jan 10 23:30:02 <[1]Trinity> [15:15] <Trinity> ok, well lets do this dont use test device as of right now. im pretty sure thats whats happening.
Jan 10 23:30:02 <[1]Trinity> [15:16] <Trinity> export a SIGNED apk out and dont use adb. use usb storage and download "apk installer" and install that signed apk. not debuggable apk
Jan 10 23:30:02 <[1]Trinity> [15:16] <Trinity> make sure the apk signed out is NOT debuggable*
Jan 10 23:30:02 <[1]Trinity> [15:16] <Trinity> and test it on your main device
Jan 10 23:30:20 <[1]Trinity> opps wrong paste hehe
Jan 10 23:30:57 <[1]Trinity> so i have problems with in app billing 3 months ago and i got that google page somehow, entered my number and they called me within 3 minuets
Jan 10 23:31:27 <canadiancow> i dont know if i actually believe you
Jan 10 23:31:28 <canadiancow> :\
Jan 10 23:31:42 <[1]Trinity> canadiancow: http://pastebin.com/U78kuLpz
Jan 10 23:32:52 <belgianguy> do they take C++ calls, too?
Jan 10 23:33:09 <Trinity> thing was, i didnt call them lol. they called me
Jan 10 23:33:32 <kevinb> that looks like user support, not dev support
Jan 10 23:33:47 <canadiancow> yeah
Jan 10 23:33:52 <canadiancow> that's not dev support
Jan 10 23:35:13 <Trinity> ahh, looked back at teh ending header. my bad then
Jan 10 23:36:10 <Trinity> either ways, seems a bunch of people contacted them. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=35564
Jan 10 23:44:16 <languish> strange
Jan 10 23:44:33 <languish> it's not doing it anymore. this is perhaps the 15th reset
Jan 10 23:44:57 <Trinity> reset teh !@#$ out of it = success hahaha
Jan 10 23:45:05 <languish> 3 resets ago it stopped retaining the data
Jan 10 23:45:16 <Trinity> did you use hard reset?
Jan 10 23:45:37 <ctate> Trinity:  what do you mean by "hard reset"?
Jan 10 23:45:45 <languish> the method described in that article did not work. It booted the note II in to a "safe mode"
Jan 10 23:46:03 <languish> I did however pull the battery early on when I started testing this
Jan 10 23:46:45 <Trinity> ahh yea, based on the 1st directive statement lol
Jan 10 23:47:18 <Trinity> ctate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4G_jxgm1xs
Jan 10 23:47:38 <Trinity> languish: think you could repro the error again?
Jan 10 23:47:51 <languish> <languish> 3 resets ago it stopped retaining the data
Jan 10 23:47:56 <languish> I'm doing it again
Jan 10 23:48:13 <languish> it reproduced the error 11 times
Jan 10 23:48:17 <languish> now it's not
Jan 10 23:49:34 <languish> when I say reset, I mean factory data reset
Jan 10 23:53:32 <ctate> innnnteresting
Jan 10 23:55:29 <languish> just tried it again with a different AP, no joy
Jan 11 00:29:33 <pragma-> ap means access point, to most people.
Jan 11 00:29:39 <pragma-> i assume you mean "android phone"
Jan 11 00:29:53 <pragma-> and i now dislike you for making up your own acronyms
Jan 11 00:30:35 <brx_> I thought he meant arse pan
Jan 11 00:33:28 <funkbox> pew ?
Jan 11 00:34:50 <belgianguy> I thought he was trying to log in on his neighbours WiFi as well
Jan 11 00:35:34 <belgianguy> in other news, the evil SegFault that has been haunting me all day has just been defeated!
Jan 11 00:36:10 <belgianguy> never used gdb until today, but while it's technical, it sure did its job
Jan 11 00:37:27 <belgianguy> turns out there was a small segment of demo code I gleaned from a tutorial, which turned out all wrong
Jan 11 00:39:59 <belgianguy> and the NDK is pretty 'exciting' on its own already
Jan 11 00:54:50 <tyul> hi, can someone tell me how to import a 3d model for using with openGL instead of creating a matrix in code to represent an object?
Jan 11 00:55:54 <belgianguy> thrid party libraries
Jan 11 00:56:01 <belgianguy> .jar or .so
Jan 11 00:56:18 <belgianguy> depending on if you're in Java or C++
Jan 11 00:57:02 <tyul> belgianguy: I'm using java with eclipse, but on the book I'm reading it creates an example using matrix and says it's possible to use a file, what should I google about to find the answer?
Jan 11 00:57:23 <belgianguy> the Red Book?
Jan 11 00:57:41 <belgianguy> and 'import model Java OpenGL' I'd say
Jan 11 00:57:59 <belgianguy> the Red Book is the real OpenGL manual (!= OpenGL ES!!)
Jan 11 00:58:00 <tyul> belgianguy: I saw some guys saying you export as a file from blender or some program than run a code that creates another file with the text on it, is there the only way to do it? extract the matrix from a model file? not the easy and happy copy to folder etc?
Jan 11 00:58:33 <tyul> belgianguy: pragmatic hello android 3rd generation
Jan 11 00:58:39 <belgianguy> I'd say delve into the world of OpenGL first, as you'll still need to draw those vertices, and set color and normals etc
Jan 11 00:59:42 <belgianguy> it's really quite advanced, and some use VBO's, some don't, some use packed arrays, others fill their arrays differently
Jan 11 00:59:49 <belgianguy> what kind of object were you thinking?
Jan 11 01:00:28 <tyul> belgianguy: ok , thx =)
Jan 11 01:00:36 <Trinity> tyul: thats supported in #libgdx but you can do it yourself
Jan 11 01:03:18 <belgianguy> also, if you're writing in OpenGL ES, watch out for differences between 1.0 and 2.0
Jan 11 01:03:32 <belgianguy> 1.0 has a fixed pipeline, 2.0 you write about everything :p
Jan 11 01:05:31 <belgianguy> my moment of clarity came in my Animation class, when I realised you can just imagine that everything starts out in the center, and has to be redrawn each frame, creating the illusion of motion
Jan 11 01:05:58 <belgianguy> esp wrt order of translate and rotate matrices
Jan 11 01:11:45 <abara> Hey guys! i'm working with Contacts class from android.provider.ContactsContract package! for now i can retrieve some data from this table
Jan 11 01:11:45 <belgianguy> is there an Google Play abuse mail?
Jan 11 01:11:50 <abara> but PHOTO_URI is a (long) so how can i build a Uri from this long data
Jan 11 01:11:54 <evanc> abara: ContentUris.withAppendedId
Jan 11 01:13:23 <abara> evanc: dedId ( Contacts.CONTENT_URI , contactsid.get ( 9 ) );
Jan 11 01:14:30 <abara> evanc: http://pastebin.com/btRRf1n9
Jan 11 01:14:34 <abara> like this?
Jan 11 01:15:18 <evanc> abara: which of these 124 lines am I supposed to be looking at?
Jan 11 01:16:56 <abara> evanc: 54, 63, 80, 98
Jan 11 01:17:55 <evanc> abara: looks about right
Jan 11 01:18:18 <abara> evanc: cant reach 102 .-.
Jan 11 01:20:14 <ctate> hike!
Jan 11 01:21:13 <ctate> "can't reach 102" in what sense?  line 101 throws?
Jan 11 01:21:14 <evanc> abara: that gives us no information
Jan 11 01:21:37 <ctate> also, you're catching all possible exceptions and silently eating them?  you're gonna have a bad time.
Jan 11 01:23:26 <evanc> I betcha the exception is IndexOutOfBounds on contactsid
Jan 11 01:23:58 <evanc> but I'm not going to try and read/understand these 100+ lines of code that doesn't work
Jan 11 01:24:08 <abara> http://pastebin.com/M2ih4LGt
Jan 11 01:24:36 <abara> output from try/catch when building bitmap with Uri
Jan 11 01:27:54 <abara> evanc: Contacts provide PHOTO_ID, cant use this to Build a bitmap?
Jan 11 01:27:55 <abara> .-.
Jan 11 01:29:30 <ctate> and what does that mean?  i *looks* like you're asking for an entry that doesn't exist
Jan 11 01:29:55 <ctate> or possibly it's saying that there is no PHOTO_ID field for that contacts entry
Jan 11 01:31:40 <ctate> and indeed, it looks like getBitmap() there throws FileNotFoundException when the underlying thing has no associated image
Jan 11 01:32:27 <abara> Yep
Jan 11 01:32:47 <abara> i just trying to get photos from contacts and store as a bitmap
Jan 11 01:33:12 <abara> i've tryed to using PHOTO_URI but its a long data type from table
Jan 11 01:33:43 <ctate> you need to be prepared to deal gracefully with the fact that many (most?) contacts will not have images.
Jan 11 01:34:56 <abara> ctate: Yes, a think about, but right now i'm getting 10 contacts from list
Jan 11 01:35:08 <abara> and the 10th ID collected have a photo
Jan 11 01:36:13 <bluwhale> I just found out that you can detect the amount of pressure being applied to the screen by a finger! How is this done? Does capacitance actually vary with force?
Jan 11 01:37:22 <ctate> fundamentally it's by using area-covered as a proxy for pressure
Jan 11 01:37:36 <ctate> the Markers app uses this, btw; it's soooo sweet
Jan 11 01:37:43 <ctate> esp on devices that have higher-quality touch panels
Jan 11 01:38:09 <bluwhale> Ahh I see, so the more
Jan 11 01:38:14 <bluwhale> 'pressure
Jan 11 01:38:26 <bluwhale> you apply, the more surface area your finger covers.
Jan 11 01:38:42 * bluwhale apologizes for the broken lines
Jan 11 01:39:58 <shmooz> it could use face recognition to measure how much you squint while pressing ;)
Jan 11 01:40:34 <bluwhale> lol, or how much you clench your teeth :D
Jan 11 01:40:49 <ctate> touch screen
Jan 11 01:40:51 <ctate> not PUNCH screen.
Jan 11 01:41:10 <bluwhale> I guess you can detect how angry you are with your phone by detecting the redness of the user's face too :P
Jan 11 02:09:36 <matt9> Anyone here have experience with NavUtils? I thought that `NavUtils.navigateUpFromSameTask(this)` was the same as `Intent intent = NavUtils.getParentActivityIntent(this); startActivity(intent); finish();` but that doesn't seem to be the case
Jan 11 02:10:05 <matt9> NavUtils.navigateUpFromSameTask(this); doesn't seem to be doing anything for me
Jan 11 02:10:20 <Smilex> "/home/ian/Apps/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64/sdk/tools/ant/build.xml:541: Unable to resolve project target 'android-10'" <- I'm getting this error when I try to compile a MOAI sample to the Android emulator. The question I have is where 'android-10' is defined in my project files? Which file should I look for?
Jan 11 02:10:59 <canadiancow> project.properties
Jan 11 02:11:54 <canadiancow> or just download it from the sdk manager
Jan 11 02:12:29 <Smilex> canadiancow: Yeah, I found it there, but that file is generated by Android Tools, or so it says
Jan 11 02:12:46 <Smilex> canadiancow: I would like to have control over which target I build for
Jan 11 02:28:35 <MercuryTW> I'm having trouble profiling my app. The garbage collector is running like nuts. So I went to the allocation tracker, which is full of stuff that's being allocated by classes other than my own.
Jan 11 02:29:09 <canadiancow> Smilex, that is where you specify it
Jan 11 02:29:37 <MercuryTW> I've got two suspects for what's eating up all the time, but the GC is taking so much time I can't even put a finger on which one
Jan 11 02:29:45 <MercuryTW> any suggestions?
Jan 11 02:30:01 <canadiancow> remove the other apps?
Jan 11 02:30:49 <MercuryTW> what do you mean?
Jan 11 02:30:56 <internetishard> Why is the pin pad on the unlock screen so much less responsive than the one in settings?
Jan 11 02:32:02 <Maziz> hi all. Is it possible to extract a part of the source code from android without downloading the entire android source code base?
Jan 11 02:32:12 <Maziz> For example i want to have all the source for android.media.
Jan 11 02:32:15 <Smilex> canadiancow: Ok, thanks
Jan 11 02:33:19 <canadiancow> no
Jan 11 02:33:26 <canadiancow> well
Jan 11 02:33:30 <canadiancow> you could check out that one git repo
Jan 11 02:33:33 <canadiancow> whichever it is
Jan 11 02:33:45 <Maziz> hmm
Jan 11 02:34:53 <canadiancow> you want frameworks/base
Jan 11 02:35:01 <canadiancow> still big
Jan 11 02:35:04 <canadiancow> but less big than "everything"
Jan 11 02:35:57 <Maziz> yeah
Jan 11 02:39:54 <MercuryTW> wait. fixed it. Stupid mistake. I'd still be up to hear peoples' favorite ways to profile bottlenecks and allocations
Jan 11 02:39:56 <MercuryTW> though
Jan 11 02:41:03 <Smilex> I'm getting the error "[exec] Error: Could not access the Package Manager.  Is the system running?", and a quick Google search gave me the information that my PC might not be fast enough, but even with the lowest resolution emulator it still happens. Is it possible that it's something else?
Jan 11 02:43:51 <brx_> Which file manager app do people here use?
Jan 11 02:46:50 <ctate> None, here.
Jan 11 02:46:53 <ctate> :D
Jan 11 02:48:09 <brx_> Do you have a keyboard ctate ?
Jan 11 02:48:28 <ctate> hard keyboard on my android devices?  nope.
Jan 11 02:48:38 <brx_> Couldnt imagine cli'ing everything without
Jan 11 02:48:50 <ctate> i also dont' run shells on my phone, so :)
Jan 11 02:49:27 <brx_> Hmmm, how do u do usual file move operations etc?
Jan 11 02:49:52 <MercuryTW> ES File Explorer is pretty sweet
Jan 11 02:50:21 <brx_> Ye MercuryTW , i accidentally removed astra but im going to try es now
Jan 11 02:50:30 <brx_> Heard its great
Jan 11 02:50:42 <ctate> brx_: maybe i'm unusual?  i never move files around on my devices.
Jan 11 02:50:45 <ctate> ever.
Jan 11 02:51:04 <ctate> possibly this means i don't really interact with the sorts of content that people feel the need to manipulate like this, i dunno
Jan 11 02:51:16 <brx_> But surely u work with the fs in most of the apps u dev
Jan 11 02:51:38 <ctate> well, first off i'm not an app developer; i work on the framework itself
Jan 11 02:51:38 <brx_> Actually, not most - skme
Jan 11 02:51:44 <ctate> second, that's what content providers are for :)
Jan 11 02:52:08 <brx_> Ahh indeed, great answer :)
Jan 11 02:54:15 <brx_> Hmm i came up with a nice peice of philosophy just now regarding your participation in android
Jan 11 02:55:23 <brx_> ctate:  do you not feel sad that you dont have time to actually dev apps?
Jan 11 02:55:46 <brx_> I would find that perplexing
Jan 11 02:56:28 <brx_> You are like a queen bee, it never leaves the hive, the worker bee's have all the fun
Jan 11 02:56:42 <brx_> Cuz they see the sun
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