**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 17 03:00:00 2013
Jan 17 03:14:57 <QubeZ> hello all
Jan 17 03:15:58 <QubeZ> what's a good app to look at for ideas on properly implemented ActionBar? I have an activity with a few, maybe too many options which I may or may not simplify but Im curious how others have done it.
Jan 17 03:16:45 <ron_frown> actionbarsherlock
Jan 17 03:18:27 <QubeZ> yea i guess the demo's would work, thanks
Jan 17 03:19:05 <QubeZ> is there any way to turn on usb debugging if the screen tapping doesn't work? buddy broke his phone and I can't recall a way to turn it on without being able to go through the menu
Jan 17 03:59:28 <canadiancow> QubeZ, MAYBE you could flash a third party image that has it enabled already? dunno
Jan 17 03:59:38 <canadiancow> and for ideas of what to do for an actionbar, check out the official google apps
Jan 17 03:59:55 <QubeZ> thanks
Jan 17 04:10:00 <mts7> hello. :-)
Jan 17 04:12:06 <mts7> I'm having trouble reading files as the root user.  Any ideas of how I can overcome this obstacle?
Jan 17 04:13:01 <mrsudoer> I'm trying to write an RSS reader for a class project (I'm not asking anyone to do my homework), but you guys know how RSS results are limited to 20 items? Is there any way to increase this limit, or to view the NEXT 20 items?
Jan 17 04:30:16 <ron_frown> oi oi oi
Jan 17 04:31:19 <bankai_> aussie aussie aussie
Jan 17 04:32:20 <canadiancow> anyone been driving the zamboni?
Jan 17 04:33:57 <ron_frown> yes
Jan 17 04:39:06 <canadiancow> i just installed svn on a new ubuntu vm
Jan 17 04:39:12 <canadiancow> when the only thing i need to check out is on github
Jan 17 04:45:50 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 04:52:00 <Sloofus> trying to learn the basics of using the google maps api, but the fragment is failing to inflate properly. I suspect it's an issue with project setup, but would someone mind looking at my pastebin of the log for some tips? http://pastebin.com/AXavN04b
Jan 17 04:55:01 <MartialLaw> ive learned this is not a good channel for asking developer questions
Jan 17 04:55:11 <MartialLaw> go to stackoverflow
Jan 17 04:55:20 <MartialLaw> these people arent much help
Jan 17 04:56:58 <dragorn> Sloofus: Is the maps support stuff in your project?  Did you compile the maps fragment lib?
Jan 17 04:57:28 <dragorn> Sloofus: (you need to make a project from the google play services source and build it as a library in eclipse, not just link the jar in the directory)
Jan 17 05:00:42 <mrsudoer> canadiancow: do you use ec2?
Jan 17 05:02:42 <Sloofus> dragorn: thanks! ill give that a try here shortly. Im actually on intellij idea but same thing, right?
Jan 17 05:02:56 <sabton> is there a way to prevent FragmentManager from reinstantiating fragments after a process kill?
Jan 17 05:03:17 <sabton> (these fragments are created by a ViewPager Adapter on the activity)
Jan 17 05:10:08 <dragorn> Sloofus: yeah; you don't just link the jar, you need to compile the lib and link it that way.  It's non-intuitive.
Jan 17 05:12:42 <skyred> searchManager.getSearchableInfo(getComponentName()); always return null, but I have searchable.xml,  where to debug?
Jan 17 05:14:56 <d0lph1nk1ng> i have a translucent activity hosting a fragment that embeds a v2.0 google maps fragment in itself, but when it does, it does not draw the fragment's background and you can see through the activity to the activity below it for a brief second. any idea how to prevent this?
Jan 17 05:30:50 * Onixs Bye!
Jan 17 05:51:23 <g00s> i might have to make a vm just to install inkscape, that piece of shit
Jan 17 05:51:37 <ron_frown> hahaha
Jan 17 05:52:10 <ron_frown> is it bad when I hear about a coworker releasing an app in the appstore and I wonder how much of the code was code I wrote, for the company
Jan 17 05:52:41 <g00s> i dont understand what they are doing; its as if they were doing everything on mainline and the mac stuff wasnt done but they decided to release
Jan 17 05:52:56 <g00s> so they just say "mac people, don't use it"
Jan 17 05:53:08 <Gambit-> Hey, any of you want to be on my list of "if you're looking for a contractor, try him"?
Jan 17 05:53:17 <g00s> well, not entirely true - i guess i could use the macports version
Jan 17 05:53:19 <Gambit-> (or her, I suppose)
Jan 17 05:56:25 <Gambit-> jeez, don't all sign up at once.
Jan 17 05:58:22 <hip2p> you know it is 1 in the morning
Jan 17 05:58:51 <g00s> i'm not sure if i'm doing much more android work beside maintaining my (mostly) dead app. not sure what the hell i'm doing next Gambit-
Jan 17 05:59:05 <Gambit-> only 10 here, hip2p
Jan 17 05:59:20 <hip2p> well Gambit-, Eastern Time is the "correct" time. ;)
Jan 17 05:59:24 <Gambit-> uh huh :)
Jan 17 05:59:36 <Gambit-> g00s, yeah, I just get /so many/ people coming to me looking to hire or recruit developers
Jan 17 05:59:43 <Gambit-> I get /no developers/ with that problem, though.
Jan 17 05:59:45 <hip2p> Gambit- I do too
Jan 17 05:59:45 <Gambit-> kinda funny, really.
Jan 17 05:59:55 <hip2p> I just tell them to try craigslist and to leave me alone basically
Jan 17 06:00:04 <Gambit-> hip2p, I run the seattle android developers meetup group, so it's not very surprising :)
Jan 17 06:00:11 <hip2p> ah I see
Jan 17 06:00:14 <Gambit-> craigslist? really?  You can recruit developers there? :)
Jan 17 06:00:18 <g00s> Gambit-: how is that going ?
Jan 17 06:00:28 <Gambit-> g00s, oh, well!  Starved for content, as usual.
Jan 17 06:00:31 <hip2p> well, the people who ask me live in NYC, where there may be a lot of craigslist activity
Jan 17 06:00:55 <g00s> Gambit-: i would think up in seattle there would be android devs falling out of the trees
Jan 17 06:00:59 <hip2p> yeah
Jan 17 06:01:05 <hip2p> Seattle seems like prime app dev country
Jan 17 06:01:30 <g00s> every time LinkedIn says there might be a job i'm interested in, its seattle or SF
Jan 17 06:01:37 <g00s> (because of android)
Jan 17 06:02:20 <Gambit-> g00s, well, sure, but they all have jobs already :)
Jan 17 06:02:43 <g00s> Gambit-: what have you been up to these days ?
Jan 17 06:02:56 <g00s> (development wise - still doing security research? )
Jan 17 06:03:07 <g00s> finish your build system ?
Jan 17 06:03:20 <Gambit-> nope, that stalled because I couldn't get anyone else to be interested :/
Jan 17 06:03:28 <Gambit-> Working on a Property Management Web Application
Jan 17 06:03:38 <Gambit-> got a couple people working for me on that, actually.
Jan 17 06:05:09 <capella> Giving away mobile jobs? Anything involving financial systems?
Jan 17 06:05:42 <Gambit-> Only for my property management application, and not yet :) Why, is that what you do?
Jan 17 06:06:20 <capella> Applications dev ... financial systems, mostly banking and transaction processing, some insurance
Jan 17 06:06:30 <d0lph1nk1ng> does anyone feel like helping me tackle a fragments, translucent, maps v2.0 library issue?
Jan 17 06:06:55 <Gambit-> capella, I'll probably need a mobile application for my property management application, but not for 6+ months.
Jan 17 06:07:34 <capella> meh - I can wait ... I've been working with Firefox for free for a year
Jan 17 06:08:30 <capella> (though first c months was C++ in accessibility / desktop)
Jan 17 06:08:39 <capella> s/c/6/
Jan 17 06:09:16 <kevinb> d0lph1nk1ng: translucent activities are kind of a pain and fragile. do you really need it to be translucent ?
Jan 17 06:10:09 <Gambit-> Working with firefox for free?  Like, developing on the browser for free?
Jan 17 06:10:42 <capella> Yes- 6 months C++ in a11y... last 6 months in mobile firefox "Fennec"
Jan 17 06:11:19 <d0lph1nk1ng> kevinb, i have realized the fragility =). i am very close, except that its more of a google maps v2 library issue. since it is opengl-based, when it is loading, i briefly see the activity under it (if it were not translucent, i'd see just a black screen)
Jan 17 06:11:23 <Gambit-> why would you spend time working on that? :)
Jan 17 06:11:57 <capella> Chicks dig it :P
Jan 17 06:12:59 <kevinb> d0lph1nk1ng: you could try set the window background to black while loading the map, but 1) it defeats the purpose of a translucent activity and 2) it might not even work, i've played with opaque background translucent activities and sometimes their background gets removed anyway during animations
Jan 17 06:13:43 <capella> And Google is our biggest supporter so fits nicely with mobile
Jan 17 06:14:55 <d0lph1nk1ng> i've tried setting a million different view backgrounds, none work. also, the windowTranslucent=true, windowBackground=black still shows the activity underneath. i've also tried layering different fragments, but its like the OpenGL takes control of the whole activity's window n uses the activity underneath for the bg
Jan 17 06:16:45 <d0lph1nk1ng> kevinb, but thx for the suggestion
Jan 17 06:20:03 <g00s> capella: maybe you know why Ff scrolling via gestures on mac for d.android.com is totally busted :P
Jan 17 06:20:44 <capella> Umm .. I can find out ... asof the latest nightly? Or in general?
Jan 17 06:20:53 <g00s> 10.0
Jan 17 06:20:55 <g00s> *18.0
Jan 17 06:21:23 <capella> Last release ... lemme check bugzilla
Jan 17 06:21:26 <g00s> so if i go here in FF http://developer.android.com/reference/packages.html
Jan 17 06:21:42 * capella listens
Jan 17 06:21:58 <g00s> and then put the mouse say, in the package list, then use a gesture on the pad to scroll,
Jan 17 06:22:04 <g00s> FF goes nuts. its hard to describe
Jan 17 06:22:09 <g00s> all the frames start scrolling
Jan 17 06:22:09 * Onixs ["Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/"]
Jan 17 06:22:36 <g00s> so i have to browse d.android.com w chrome for now
Jan 17 06:22:54 <g00s> safari and chrome are fine
Jan 17 06:23:42 <g00s> maybe i'll file a bug, do they have an irc channel ?
Jan 17 06:24:26 <capella> Oh desktop FF not mobile/Fennec
Jan 17 06:24:28 <capella> yah, many !
Jan 17 06:24:30 <capella> hmmm whats most appropriate ....
Jan 17 06:24:40 <g00s> yeah, desktop
Jan 17 06:25:54 <capella> irc.mozilla.org....
Jan 17 06:25:56 <capella> #developers at this time of night will get you to the right place fast ...
Jan 17 06:25:58 <capella> or bugzilla
Jan 17 06:26:00 <capella> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi
Jan 17 06:26:06 <g00s> cool, thanks
Jan 17 06:26:12 <capella> >)
Jan 17 06:26:22 <superfluous> Whats that thing called where you scroll down, and it appears on the scrollbar that you can grab and scroll with that instead of flicking?
Jan 17 06:27:18 <Gambit-> hah that's a good question supercheetah
Jan 17 06:27:21 <Gambit-> er, superfluous
Jan 17 06:27:26 <Gambit-> the slider, perhaps?
Jan 17 06:27:46 <superfluous> ah, im pretty sure thats it!
Jan 17 06:27:58 <superfluous> thanks. Its tough to google when i dont know my words :(
Jan 17 06:27:58 * Gambit- is smert
Jan 17 06:28:03 <Gambit-> seriously!
Jan 17 06:28:06 <g00s> thumb
Jan 17 06:28:07 <Gambit-> that'd be a hard one to trace down
Jan 17 06:28:35 <g00s> thumb tab, actually
Jan 17 06:28:47 <Gambit-> that might be true too, g00s
Jan 17 06:29:04 <g00s> there is a drawable for it
Jan 17 06:29:04 <g00s> android:scrollbarThumbVertical
Jan 17 06:29:12 <Gambit-> There you go, then!
Jan 17 06:29:17 <superfluous> ah yes, so it is thumb
Jan 17 06:29:18 <superfluous> thanks
Jan 17 06:29:49 <g00s> from SO :  addandroid:fastScrollEnabled="true" to your list view
Jan 17 06:30:10 <superfluous> yep, easy as that :)
Jan 17 06:31:19 <superfluous> how strict are you guys when it comes to warnings?
Jan 17 06:31:33 <superfluous> in particular..internationalization and using sp instead of dip/dp?
Jan 17 06:33:08 <g00s> "2012, Verizon blocked all access to irc.mozilla.org over cellular connections. Any connection attempts now get a 504 Gateway Timeout " <-- bastards !
Jan 17 06:34:41 <Onixs> 
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Jan 17 06:39:56 <capella> ???
Jan 17 06:40:38 <capella> I get there on my .... oh ... Verizon ... I'm Sprint
Jan 17 06:45:03 <Onixs> 
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Jan 17 06:47:03 <capella> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829952
Jan 17 06:47:30 <damccull> i have a relativelayout with an imageview anda  textview. I would like to overlap the textview onto the imageview. I'm using http://pastebin.com/fQg0ufR2 for the textview. My text never shows up. Why is this?
Jan 17 06:48:08 <g00s> capella: yeah, it is jankier in FF compared to chrome / safari; but thats more a subjective thing
Jan 17 06:48:14 <g00s> (thanks for looking it up though)
Jan 17 06:48:39 <damccull> hmm actually apparently it IS there...nm thanks. gotta find a different bug
Jan 17 06:49:04 <capella> longer list |scroll touchpad frame|
Jan 17 06:49:06 <capella> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=5411520;short_desc=touchpad%20scroll%20frame;classification=Client%20Software;query_format=advanced;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=READY;bug_status=ASSIGNED;short_desc_type=anywordssubstr;product=Firefox
Jan 17 06:49:41 <capella> Yah ... that and #developers ... best bet once you get in via desktop or something
Jan 17 06:50:08 <g00s> thanks capella
Jan 17 06:50:35 <capella> Or file a bug and wait for reply - that wont hurt
Jan 17 06:50:36 <capella> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Firefox
Jan 17 06:50:40 <capella> sure
Jan 17 07:04:24 <zoro202389> hello
Jan 17 07:04:57 <zoro202389> my question is that can i develop android apps in complete c???
Jan 17 07:05:37 <Zharf> the answer is yes, but you really (most often) don't want to
Jan 17 07:05:50 <zoro202389> plzz explain why??
Jan 17 07:05:57 <Zharf> if you want to use c just because you want to use c, then don't
Jan 17 07:06:31 <zoro202389> i dont get that...
Jan 17 07:06:40 <capella> hehehe ... can we use COBOL?
Jan 17 07:07:25 <zoro202389> do c language apps will not run??
Jan 17 07:07:34 <zoro202389> on a android machine??
Jan 17 07:07:52 <Zharf> I should've just answered no
Jan 17 07:08:26 <zoro202389> seems like i dont have a option than to learn java
Jan 17 07:08:27 <Zharf> because you really don't want to unless it's absolutely necessary for performance issues *or* there's already a huge codebase that you can use
Jan 17 07:08:28 <zoro202389> :(
Jan 17 07:08:46 <capella> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/program-for-android-in-cc-with-the-native-development-kit-if-you-dare/1284
Jan 17 07:08:48 <Zharf> you can't really build android UIs from C very easily at least
Jan 17 07:09:14 <capella> but .... no
Jan 17 07:09:16 <zoro202389> ok,plzzz tell what is a good beginners book to learn java??
Jan 17 07:10:15 <capella> doesn't google know?
Jan 17 07:11:19 <zoro202389> yeah,i done that....all it has is "thinking in java"
Jan 17 07:11:28 <zoro202389> and "effective java"
Jan 17 07:11:45 <zoro202389> but 1st is very lengthy and demotivating
Jan 17 07:11:48 <capella> hmmm ... it told me this http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=good+introduction+to+java&oq=good+introduction+to+java&gs_l=hp.3...2553.8298.0.8444.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.VkDb9R4Qpas
Jan 17 07:13:57 <g00s> i would try the Oracle Tuts, if those aren't sufficient ...
Jan 17 07:14:50 <zoro202389> last enquiry...any have a link to download "java:a beginners guide,5 th edition"??,on good either 3rd edition is given or 4th
Jan 17 07:15:33 <zoro202389> *google*
Jan 17 07:15:56 <g00s> please wait 45 seconds
Jan 17 07:17:01 <zoro202389> u mean,rapidshare
Jan 17 07:17:06 <zoro202389> already tried
Jan 17 07:17:31 <zoro202389> ok,thnxxx
Jan 17 07:18:01 <zoro202389> iam not gonna find the link here
Jan 17 07:18:08 <g00s> huh, Sedgewick did a Java book :|
Jan 17 07:18:21 <zoro202389> thnxx btw for the help
Jan 17 07:18:21 <g00s> all I can say is: avoid the Dietel books
Jan 17 07:18:59 <zoro202389> hmmm...
Jan 17 07:19:14 <zoro202389> u learned from which book?
Jan 17 07:19:23 <capella> $117.31 !!!
Jan 17 07:19:29 <g00s> actually, i learned from a book called Core Java
Jan 17 07:19:44 <g00s> that was some time ago
Jan 17 07:20:05 <g00s> i like to find books like the K&R when learning a language
Jan 17 07:20:16 <g00s> concise, no fluff, war stories, etc
Jan 17 07:20:39 <Maziz> g00s: why avoid deitel?
Jan 17 07:20:46 <p_l> g00s: sometimes war stories are good :)
Jan 17 07:21:01 <p_l> (the ur-example, IMO, being Algorithm Design Manual)
Jan 17 07:21:02 <zoro202389> isn't there "K&R for c" standard book for java??
Jan 17 07:21:26 <p_l> zoro202389: no, unless you count javadoc + spec documents
Jan 17 07:21:27 <k0nichiwa> how can i determine if any activities of may app are visible so i can know if i should suspend a global resource ?
Jan 17 07:21:39 <p_l> which would be equivalent to learning C by reading ISO C standard
Jan 17 07:21:40 <g00s> p_l: yeah, for other topics, sure. for languages, i just want something like K&R, C++ ARM, etc
Jan 17 07:21:50 <k0nichiwa> i don't want to use onstart and onstop and maintain a count, somethign might crash
Jan 17 07:22:30 <p_l> k0nichiwa: well... It seems to me you're doing something wrong, but I don't have enough detail
Jan 17 07:22:41 <g00s> zoro202389: try the Oracle Tutorials first. Then try either (Head First Java , Core Java, Thinking in Java) and move on to Effective Java 2e and then Java concurrency in Practice
Jan 17 07:22:43 <p_l> usually for global resources shared between activities, I go for Service
Jan 17 07:22:48 <zoro202389> there should be a all in one book for java like k&R
Jan 17 07:22:50 <zoro202389> hehe
Jan 17 07:22:52 <p_l> which handles such stuff automaticaly
Jan 17 07:23:08 <k0nichiwa> well how would a service determine if any activities are using it
Jan 17 07:23:22 <k0nichiwa> an activity could crash and fail to deliver a release invocation
Jan 17 07:23:26 <p_l> k0nichiwa: it's done for you by framework
Jan 17 07:23:36 <k0nichiwa> what is done for you ?
Jan 17 07:23:40 <p_l> including GC'ing it
Jan 17 07:23:51 <k0nichiwa> what ?  what i s done for you ?
Jan 17 07:24:12 <p_l> k0nichiwa: releasing the resource >_>
Jan 17 07:24:13 <k0nichiwa> does the manifest have info that an activity usees a service ?
Jan 17 07:24:21 <p_l> no, and it doesn't need one
Jan 17 07:24:35 <k0nichiwa> well i could set up a weak reference
Jan 17 07:24:49 <k0nichiwa> that is bound by all activities, when it gets killed i know
Jan 17 07:25:11 <k0nichiwa> that seems like a good way to do it
Jan 17 07:25:23 <k0nichiwa> how do you tell if a weak ref gets nuked, ugh
Jan 17 07:28:51 <g00s> one of those areas thats unnecessarily complicated in android; the whole notion seems dubious going forward; seems like Ubuntu Phone apps and BB10 apps are just what you would expect on a desktop, no UI / service dichotomy
Jan 17 07:29:17 <ron_frown> g00s I think there is a method to the madness tho
Jan 17 07:29:28 <p_l> yeah, on those others you can just do crap like you're used to ;)
Jan 17 07:29:30 <superfluous> :/ how do i refresh just like 1 or a few views in a gridview instead of notifying the dataset has changed?
Jan 17 07:30:13 <StingRay_> why is lint not more intellegent, I have a custom object that has setDimension, and for my purposes can get a dimension resource, lint seems to think my custom objects should never setDimension this way... the object is not a subclass of anything... is there any way to turn this off on custom things? rather than disable the whole check ?
Jan 17 07:30:18 <Zharf> hm... java book.. I think the only one I ever read was effective java...
Jan 17 07:30:31 <g00s> Zharf: thats a good book :)
Jan 17 07:31:46 <p_l> k0nichiwa: btw, if you activity *crashes*, the whole process gets killed, so you probably won't have issues with it :)
Jan 17 07:32:04 <ron_frown> when you look at how seamless android can let you be... as far as having intents and activities and the fact the activies can for all intent and purposes be a part of your application
Jan 17 07:32:08 <ron_frown> I think there is a reason
Jan 17 07:32:33 <ron_frown> I do agree that google could have done a better job wrapping all that shit up into a nice pretty package
Jan 17 07:33:31 <Zharf> g00s, it is
Jan 17 07:33:38 <ron_frown> but now thats kinda the name of the game thus far with google and android
Jan 17 07:33:47 <ron_frown> lots of great ideas, lots of ways to shoot yourself in the foot
Jan 17 07:33:50 <ron_frown> almost as much as c++
Jan 17 07:33:51 <p_l> ron_frown: well, I think it's partly the fault of being "Java EE" of mobile
Jan 17 07:33:52 <Zharf> g00s, but I guess it'snot really an introductory book to java
Jan 17 07:34:01 <Zharf> but java doesn't need one, imo
Jan 17 07:34:03 <Zharf> it's just so simple
Jan 17 07:34:10 <g00s> ron_frown: as time goes on and everyday computing power converges into a phablet form factor; all these weird things android did because of memory limitations years ago just become baggage
Jan 17 07:34:21 <p_l> ron_frown: and unfortunately binding it to Java doesn't help due to required explicit code
Jan 17 07:34:30 <p_l> g00s: the thing is, it's not about memory, IMO
Jan 17 07:34:43 <ron_frown> its native->java and vice versa
Jan 17 07:34:54 <ron_frown> and having overlapping memory spaces etc
Jan 17 07:35:01 <ron_frown> I mean how would you do it differently lol
Jan 17 07:35:05 <ron_frown> windows you'd build a service
Jan 17 07:35:19 <ron_frown> then you'd use dropboxes, or wcf, or tcp to communicate to it
Jan 17 07:35:31 <p_l> ron_frown: or write crappy app that is mysteriously hanging all the time when something takes a bit longer ;)
Jan 17 07:36:05 <ron_frown> yeah
Jan 17 07:36:09 <p_l> g00s: actually the design of android reminds me of asynchronicity-oriented construction, instead of "eh, let's wing it in event loop"
Jan 17 07:36:17 <ron_frown> dont even get me started on the saync shit in android/java
Jan 17 07:36:23 <ron_frown> async
Jan 17 07:36:33 <p_l> ron_frown: I mean in the scope of whole OS
Jan 17 07:36:49 <p_l> you get multiple components that can be reused and integrated between applications etc.
Jan 17 07:37:17 <p_l> with Ubuntu Phone it will be probably crap-bus that did such heavy damage to linux
Jan 17 07:37:49 <ron_frown> did such heavy damage?
Jan 17 07:37:53 <g00s> dbus ?
Jan 17 07:38:14 <ron_frown> if they can use clutter or wayland or something I think they may have something
Jan 17 07:38:19 <ron_frown> honestly I dont know how meego failed =)
Jan 17 07:38:20 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 07:38:28 <ron_frown> apple is a diff storey sure
Jan 17 07:38:46 <ron_frown> but you look at how much LESS hp a device required in ios la la land
Jan 17 07:38:49 <ron_frown> native is nice
Jan 17 07:38:57 <ron_frown> c++ is just rough
Jan 17 07:39:03 <p_l> g00s: yes, dbus. Badly integrated, badly documented bus ;)
Jan 17 07:39:16 <ron_frown> its undoubtedly using that
Jan 17 07:39:17 <k0nichiwa> my god eclipse is so slow
Jan 17 07:39:28 <p_l> k0nichiwa: try IntelliJ IDEA
Jan 17 07:39:43 <capella> intelliJ++
Jan 17 07:40:07 <k0nichiwa> yeah i should at some point
Jan 17 07:40:16 <ron_frown> like 100 people +'d my g+ post about why the FUCK doesnt google work with intellij vs eclipse
Jan 17 07:40:28 <ron_frown> because hnestly it is that night and day difference
Jan 17 07:40:35 <ron_frown> 100 people I never talked to
Jan 17 07:40:58 <g00s> ron_frown: it might be because of licensing
Jan 17 07:41:11 <ron_frown> they are completely open source now with a platform dev kit
Jan 17 07:41:22 <ron_frown> you could pick up the framework and build a c++ ide and SELL it
Jan 17 07:41:23 <ron_frown> and be fine
Jan 17 07:41:36 <ron_frown> http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/3/L11450801.jpg
Jan 17 07:41:38 <ron_frown> thats eclipse
Jan 17 07:41:42 <ron_frown> a million and one uses
Jan 17 07:41:46 <ron_frown> non of them are any good
Jan 17 07:41:56 <ron_frown> it can do MANY MANY things
Jan 17 07:41:57 <ron_frown> none well
Jan 17 07:42:30 <k0nichiwa> u mean intellij isn't written in J ?
Jan 17 07:42:37 <g00s> ron_frown: we postponed out Eclipse vs IntelliJ debate yesterday because you weren't here
Jan 17 07:42:47 <g00s> we decided to go for hungarian notation on OO languages
Jan 17 07:42:50 <ron_frown> HAHAHAH
Jan 17 07:42:52 <p_l> k0nichiwa: it is, but you can make IDE for any language in any language
Jan 17 07:43:00 <ron_frown> k0nichiwa - it is, but its MUCH better code =)
Jan 17 07:43:01 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 07:43:04 <k0nichiwa> well they said it's so fast
Jan 17 07:43:10 <ron_frown> it is
Jan 17 07:43:14 <p_l> g00s: systems hungarian or apps hungarian?
Jan 17 07:43:28 <k0nichiwa> open source apps sometimes tend to die out
Jan 17 07:43:37 <k0nichiwa> after the original gropu who were excited about the project move on
Jan 17 07:43:37 <g00s> p_l: i dunno :| the m_ hungarian :)
Jan 17 07:43:51 <p_l> k0nichiwa: IDEA is commercial product that happens to be opensource
Jan 17 07:44:05 <k0nichiwa> yeah i kno w i was talking about eclipse
Jan 17 07:44:11 <p_l> eclipse ... won't die
Jan 17 07:44:16 <ron_frown> lots of people founded their apps on eclipse
Jan 17 07:44:16 <g00s> oh, 12.0.2 is out
Jan 17 07:44:21 <p_l> it's like cancer with unlimited feeding
Jan 17 07:44:23 <k0nichiwa> its getting a little buggy
Jan 17 07:44:25 <ron_frown> HAHAHAH
Jan 17 07:44:45 <ron_frown> intellij still uses googles visual renderers/preview
Jan 17 07:44:58 <p_l> I honestly don't know how IDEA can kick the shit so much out of Eclipse in terms of speed
Jan 17 07:45:00 <ron_frown> but seems to do a lot better job in general with java shit
Jan 17 07:45:13 <ron_frown> p_l you mean based on your observations, or saying we're full of shit
Jan 17 07:45:16 <k0nichiwa> maybe they use jni p_l
Jan 17 07:45:17 <g00s> i wish antlrworks wasn't in netbeans :|
Jan 17 07:45:25 <k0nichiwa> they might be using native maps for critical things etc
Jan 17 07:45:30 <p_l> ron_frown: based on observation
Jan 17 07:45:36 <ron_frown> netbeans has impressed me a lot more lately too
Jan 17 07:45:36 * g00s wonders if there is an antlr plugin for intellij
Jan 17 07:45:40 <ron_frown> I use it for html5 projects
Jan 17 07:45:42 <p_l> ron_frown: my first reaction was "holy fuck, is that really java?"
Jan 17 07:45:47 <ron_frown> hahah
Jan 17 07:45:51 <ron_frown> god damn russians dude
Jan 17 07:46:19 <k0nichiwa> it's the vodka, it clears your mind
Jan 17 07:46:29 <k0nichiwa> vodka clears out all the toxins sos you think clearly
Jan 17 07:46:37 <p_l> k0nichiwa: there are ... 2 native libs in my IntelliJ install (both in two versions, x86 and amd64)
Jan 17 07:46:38 <ron_frown> completely unrelated and offtopic
Jan 17 07:46:39 <ron_frown> but
Jan 17 07:46:40 <ron_frown> http://imageshack.us/a/img688/4849/img20130113194043.jpg
Jan 17 07:46:41 <ron_frown> mmmmmmm
Jan 17 07:46:43 * ron_frown pets.
Jan 17 07:47:13 <StingRay_> i just sold my bike :(
Jan 17 07:47:19 <StingRay_> but it's no good in the snow
Jan 17 07:47:21 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 07:47:24 <g00s> you ride the one all the way in the back right ? :D
Jan 17 07:47:36 <ron_frown> haha no I'm selling that one to a cowoker
Jan 17 07:47:47 <ron_frown> last time I rode that one I smelled like gas after numerous showers
Jan 17 07:47:48 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 07:49:07 <k0nichiwa> if a java object is eligible for GC how long might it take to be gC'd
Jan 17 07:49:15 <k0nichiwa> and is there a way to make that happen faster
Jan 17 07:49:55 <StingRay_> call gc() yourself
Jan 17 07:50:09 <capella> looks like a honda magna in the background
Jan 17 07:52:02 * capella owned one like the one in the back ... mean people stole it
Jan 17 07:52:07 <g00s> "The modern store is equipped with cameras that look at you, guess your tastes based on your gender, age and behavior, and send deals to your smart phone accordingly." fuck this man, i'm going to have to wear CV Dazzle just to go shopping
Jan 17 07:52:15 <StingRay_> question : eclipse : even with autobuild on I end up having to "clean" my projects to get library projects and app projects to have updated refs to each other... is that correct ?
Jan 17 07:52:44 <g00s> StingRay_: oh man, i thought they fixed that
Jan 17 07:53:02 <StingRay_> maybe I havent turned a feature on ?
Jan 17 07:53:06 <StingRay_> dunno
Jan 17 07:53:12 <ron_frown> capella - tis
Jan 17 07:53:19 <ron_frown> 84 v65
Jan 17 07:53:25 <StingRay_> well I'm on a mac atm, so maybe that has something to do with it
Jan 17 07:53:29 <capella> Mine was a '91 V65
Jan 17 07:53:41 <capella> Knew it looked familiar!
Jan 17 07:53:46 <p_l> k0nichiwa: do *not* call gc yourself. If you do, you're probably *screwing up* the performance
Jan 17 07:54:07 <ron_frown> honestly android is generally pretty agressive about gc
Jan 17 07:54:07 <k0nichiwa> yeah i did it a different way
Jan 17 07:54:19 <p_l> ron_frown: it has also pretty shitty gc :3
Jan 17 07:54:27 <p_l> (ok, maybe not so bad, but...)
Jan 17 07:54:39 <ron_frown> and if you are seeing out of memory issues, you are likely allocating a lot of shit VERY quickly
Jan 17 07:54:52 <pragma-> or very wrongly
Jan 17 07:54:54 <p_l> rule #1 for fast android code seems to be the same rule as old realtime lisp :D
Jan 17 07:54:54 <g00s> strangely, when new versions of android come out, i never hear anything about improvements to dvm
Jan 17 07:54:55 <ron_frown> http://imageshack.us/a/img716/7200/drag12.png
Jan 17 07:54:59 <ron_frown> thats how I know all about that
Jan 17 07:55:14 <ron_frown> g00s - they are always working on it
Jan 17 07:55:14 <p_l> that is, write non-consing code
Jan 17 07:55:19 <k0nichiwa> no i was just setting up my kludge to dispose of this global resource when all activities dont need it
Jan 17 07:55:20 <reuf> im creating an app which needs users to be authorized over custom account in order to use the app - i dont want users to enter their username and password all the time - i want them to enter it upon installation and to save some access token which would give them the ability to use the service without needing to login again - anyone dealt with this and any advice on how to go about it?
Jan 17 07:55:33 <pragma-> I'm quite pleased to have recently removed almost all instances of implicit news/allocations in my app
Jan 17 07:55:36 <ron_frown> cant tell you how many times google broke reliability by using head of public repo as dev
Jan 17 07:55:37 <k0nichiwa> to make sure the counts are maintained, i implemented a finalizer on an object the activities create
Jan 17 07:55:43 <capella> nope - Mine was an '84 ... wrong bike ... Damn ! mine was stolen in Georgia ... lemme know so I can pick it up :D
Jan 17 07:55:48 <pragma-> e.g., secret `new String()` calls in String.substring(), etc
Jan 17 07:55:50 <ron_frown> its like one constant broken build until they get it building which they tag/release =)
Jan 17 07:55:51 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 07:55:51 <k0nichiwa> that way if an activity crashes, the finalizer stil gets invoked
Jan 17 07:56:03 <k0nichiwa> not that my activity would crash .. but i guess it might
Jan 17 07:56:27 <ron_frown> finalizers are generally not recommeded, correct?
Jan 17 07:56:42 <k0nichiwa> yeah but its a tiny little class
Jan 17 07:56:47 <ron_frown> I thought that was one of those... deconstructors are there, but general use should never require it
Jan 17 07:56:51 <k0nichiwa> that just increments / decrements a global count
Jan 17 07:57:06 <ron_frown> are you trying to create your own reference counter... ?
Jan 17 07:57:20 <k0nichiwa> i have a global resource,  should probably put it in a service
Jan 17 07:57:26 <k0nichiwa> the service is a singleton
Jan 17 07:57:30 <k0nichiwa> so that sovles the problem
Jan 17 07:58:32 <g00s> you could just make a singleton w/o the service :|
Jan 17 07:58:48 <ron_frown> pros and cons both ways
Jan 17 07:58:54 <ron_frown> you get isolated memory space for a service
Jan 17 07:58:56 <k0nichiwa> well i did actually
Jan 17 07:58:58 <g00s> well if its just data, i don't see the cons
Jan 17 07:59:09 <ron_frown> btu then have potentially have to deal with binding
Jan 17 07:59:09 <k0nichiwa> but now i also need a kind of ref count to see if it can be released
Jan 17 07:59:20 <k0nichiwa> it's needed after an actiivty goes to onstart, not needed after onstop
Jan 17 07:59:29 <g00s> ron_frown: isolated memory space for a service? wut ?
Jan 17 07:59:37 <ron_frown> you can do that, no?
Jan 17 07:59:46 <k0nichiwa> well a service doesnt have to run in a spearate process
Jan 17 07:59:51 <g00s> you mean a separate process? its discouraged
Jan 17 07:59:58 <ron_frown> nice
Jan 17 08:00:06 <ron_frown> that then is a very strange concept
Jan 17 08:00:11 <k0nichiwa> i dont know if there are difficulties in calling service methods if its in the same process
Jan 17 08:00:12 <ron_frown> a service that rusn in the same process =)
Jan 17 08:00:25 <k0nichiwa> can you just rreturn an object from a service method ?
Jan 17 08:00:31 <p_l> ron_frown: actually... it's kind of older than 'windows service' :P
Jan 17 08:00:46 <ron_frown> yeah
Jan 17 08:00:47 <p_l> you had "OS services" a long time ago as name for things like libraries and syscalls :P
Jan 17 08:01:00 <g00s> huh, the Scala compiler is getting a LLVM backend
Jan 17 08:01:08 <k0nichiwa> if a service is running in your process, android will try very hard not to kill your process
Jan 17 08:01:24 <ron_frown> as a whole
Jan 17 08:01:26 <k0nichiwa> i've used placeholder services for that while implementing background downloads in a klugy way
Jan 17 08:01:45 <g00s> k0nichiwa: yeah, aosp apps do that
Jan 17 08:02:06 <g00s> empty services
Jan 17 08:02:30 <k0nichiwa> what is an aosp app
Jan 17 08:02:42 <ron_frown> part of android os
Jan 17 08:02:51 <ron_frown> or at least distributed as part of it
Jan 17 08:03:53 <k0nichiwa> they probably stold the idea from me
Jan 17 08:04:06 <g00s> no, contacts did that all the way back to froyo
Jan 17 08:04:22 <k0nichiwa> aha, my first app was for froyo
Jan 17 08:04:27 <ron_frown> I ddint mess with them for very long, but I was fucking amazed at the implementation of contacts
Jan 17 08:04:30 <ron_frown> what a mindfuck
Jan 17 08:04:30 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 17 08:04:54 <g00s> yeah, the worst part of it is the content provider
Jan 17 08:05:05 <ron_frown> it was like way way abstract
Jan 17 08:05:06 <g00s> despicable
Jan 17 08:05:09 <ron_frown> iirc
Jan 17 08:05:43 <reuf> im creating an app which needs users to be authorized over custom account in order to use the app - i dont want users to enter their username and password all the time - i want them to enter it upon installation and to save some access token which would give them the ability to use the service without needing to login again - anyone dealt with this and any advice on how to go about it?
Jan 17 08:05:58 <g00s> most of the aosp content providers are very difficult to follow; calendar also
Jan 17 08:06:05 <ron_frown> reuf thats kinda up to you
Jan 17 08:06:10 <ron_frown> if you control the server
Jan 17 08:06:17 <ron_frown> build something that handles token authentication
Jan 17 08:06:23 <ron_frown> decide what sort of security you need
Jan 17 08:06:43 <ron_frown> if its more of just an identifier
Jan 17 08:06:49 <ron_frown> you could do something real simple
Jan 17 08:07:05 <ron_frown> if its highly secure accounts you will probably want to look into NONCE's
Jan 17 08:07:47 <ron_frown> maybe thats not the proper term for it =)
Jan 17 08:08:01 <reuf> ron_frown: thanks
Jan 17 08:08:17 <ron_frown> well whatever, these french tuner dudes arent gonna get back to me tonight
Jan 17 08:08:23 <ron_frown> must tune my bike tomorrow
Jan 17 08:08:35 <ron_frown> peace
Jan 17 08:08:47 <k0nichiwa> where do you get the code for the google apps like contacts
Jan 17 08:08:52 <k0nichiwa> from the repo ?
Jan 17 08:08:56 <ron_frown> yep
Jan 17 08:09:04 <k0nichiwa> they should distribute those as examples
Jan 17 08:09:09 <k0nichiwa> wtf is wrong w/these guys
Jan 17 08:09:18 <k0nichiwa> =)
Jan 17 08:09:34 <k0nichiwa> i've never seen the source because i'ts not that easy to find
Jan 17 08:10:28 <g00s> k0nichiwa: i'm not sure you want to see the code :|
Jan 17 08:10:43 <g00s> its sausages all the way down
Jan 17 08:10:50 <k0nichiwa> maybe not, but you need to see an example in order to understand how a complex class library is meant to be used
Jan 17 08:10:59 <k0nichiwa> mayb ethere are other examples of content provider and such
Jan 17 08:11:20 <g00s> yeah, but remember - even though google wrote those apps, they do some bad things here and there.
Jan 17 08:11:41 <g00s> but yeah, its good to see industrial strength apps
Jan 17 08:12:09 <g00s> k0nichiwa: a good example of a cp is iosched
Jan 17 08:13:05 <k0nichiwa> isnt the purpose of a content provider to provide content to multiple activities from a shared global resource
Jan 17 08:13:14 <k0nichiwa> so i supose that makes sense, android doesn't like globals
Jan 17 08:13:29 <g00s> i would say, its really more IPC for tabular data
Jan 17 08:14:01 <canadiancow> ive never seen a straightforward contentprovider
Jan 17 08:14:07 <canadiancow> the email one is like.... death
Jan 17 08:14:24 <g00s> email, contacts, calendar - the sql embedded in java is nuts
Jan 17 08:15:11 <canadiancow> im not famil with the others
Jan 17 08:15:22 <canadiancow> but im neck deep in the email provider atm
Jan 17 08:17:29 <canadiancow> i dont even really understand why
Jan 17 08:17:39 <canadiancow> the docs say "if only your app is going to access it, dont use a contentprovider"
Jan 17 08:17:41 <canadiancow> and yet...
Jan 17 08:18:01 <g00s> Dh discussed the +/- about local usage a while back
Jan 17 08:18:11 <g00s> remember AsyncQueryHandler ?
Jan 17 08:18:13 <canadiancow> no
Jan 17 08:18:27 <g00s> a lot of helper classes for doing async db stuff assumed CPs
Jan 17 08:18:48 <g00s> do if your data model was simple and the CP impl was easy, you could benefit by using these helpers
Jan 17 08:18:52 <g00s> *so
Jan 17 08:19:36 <g00s> but , otoh, as you know, the complexity of the cp might overshadow the benefits of using the helpers
Jan 17 08:20:13 <g00s> there was some nice machinery like the uri notification stuff
Jan 17 08:24:13 <canadiancow> the stuff im working on feels like it was hacked together
Jan 17 08:24:18 <canadiancow> like HEY LETS ADD A CONTENT PROVIDER!
Jan 17 08:24:27 <canadiancow> and "yo dawg, i heard you like content providers"
Jan 17 08:24:49 <canadiancow> but it definitely has some advantages
Jan 17 08:24:59 <canadiancow> depends what layer im looking at i guess
Jan 17 08:25:03 <lime> "so i put a content provider in your content provider, so you can provide content while the content is provided"
Jan 17 08:25:07 <lime> sorry, don't mind me
Jan 17 08:25:23 <canadiancow> and with that, i'm going to bed
Jan 17 08:25:28 <lime> good night :)
Jan 17 08:25:58 <g00s> gnight canadiancow
Jan 17 08:31:16 <k0nichiwa> in my app, when i hit the home button, and then bring it back from the background
Jan 17 08:31:20 <k0nichiwa> my progress bar stops working
Jan 17 08:31:38 <g00s> well, dont do that !
Jan 17 08:31:39 <k0nichiwa> its still there, not null, but it just doesnt show on screen
Jan 17 08:31:55 <k0nichiwa> i guess i could destroy an recreate it for on pause, resume, what a pain
Jan 17 08:34:25 <lime> anyone having some nice tutorials or tips for making a live wallpaper scrollable?
Jan 17 08:34:50 <lime> (the stuff google gives me is too overwhelming atm)
Jan 17 08:35:40 <EGamerHDK> I just wanted someones opinion. Someone has proposed the idea of taking their newspaper that they print out every month and showing it in the app. What are some possible ways I could go about this?
Jan 17 08:35:46 <bottiger> How do I access my sqlite database if my phone is not rooted?
Jan 17 08:35:57 <bottiger> For browsing in another app?
Jan 17 08:36:36 <g00s> EGamerHDK: the newspaper / magazine as apps thing is not succeeding
Jan 17 08:36:36 <EGamerHDK> bottiger: You can access the sqlite data if it's not set to private I believe.
Jan 17 08:37:04 <g00s> bottiger: you would make a content provider :P
Jan 17 08:37:37 <EGamerHDK> g00s: I guess, but that's not really an answer. lol heh. For me it's not a question about it being successful, it's just about being able to actually do it that's all.
Jan 17 08:38:09 <lime> EGamerHDK, so what you want to do is basically just link to images?
Jan 17 08:38:09 <EGamerHDK> They have a pdf version of the newpaper, but it doesn't look that great on a phone.
Jan 17 08:38:14 <g00s> so a newspaper wants to go mobile, right ?
Jan 17 08:38:42 <g00s> they - a consumer or the paper ?
Jan 17 08:39:04 <EGamerHDK> Well, I'm open to suggestions. The only thing I could think of is to restructure the newspaper as pdf friendly. Something like one article per page sort of deal.
Jan 17 08:39:13 <bottiger> EGamerHDK: but all the folders /data/data/... are unreadable
Jan 17 08:39:24 <g00s> EGamerHDK: again, who is "they"
Jan 17 08:39:27 <bottiger> g00s: kind of inconvenient :)
Jan 17 08:39:43 <EGamerHDK> "They" would be the person that has this newspaper
Jan 17 08:39:55 <g00s> has, as in operates or runs, right ?
Jan 17 08:40:02 <EGamerHDK> yes
Jan 17 08:40:12 <lime> then make it blog style
Jan 17 08:40:21 <EGamerHDK> Hm.
Jan 17 08:40:36 <g00s> well, i think the correct answer to this content heavy stuff is they want a mobile web site; the mobile content should be different than the full version
Jan 17 08:41:06 <EGamerHDK> I guess that's a good point.
Jan 17 08:41:08 <g00s> content for mobile should actually be /written/ differently than for the desktop
Jan 17 08:41:18 <g00s> it should be more concise
Jan 17 08:41:29 <g00s> so stories are actually shorter
Jan 17 08:41:40 <g00s> there should be a link to the full version if they want to go there
Jan 17 08:41:55 <lime> if i need to scroll around or zoom in and out too much to read something i lose interest
Jan 17 08:42:01 <EGamerHDK> Okay, so I thought that would be the best idea... but I was afraid that would be the best idea...
Jan 17 08:42:31 <lime> yeah, it's not as 'cool' as you probably wanted it to be, but it works
Jan 17 08:42:46 <EGamerHDK> Getting a pdf from a dropbox or something is so much easier than getting the data from a server I guess.
Jan 17 08:42:50 <g00s> EGamerHDK: you would enjoy chapter 2 of "mobile usability" by Nielsen
Jan 17 08:43:02 <g00s> there is no place for a pdf on a mobile device
Jan 17 08:43:17 <g00s> unless its a 10" or larger form factor
Jan 17 08:43:19 <EGamerHDK> I guess what I'm really saying is that I'm intimidated to do any kind of server to mobile stuff.
Jan 17 08:43:25 <EGamerHDK> I don't really know where to start.
Jan 17 08:43:41 <EGamerHDK> I've tried parsing html from a website, but that's difficult.
Jan 17 08:43:59 <EGamerHDK> I also learned that I should access my database directly from my app, so I'm kinda outta ideas.
Jan 17 08:44:22 <g00s> EGamerHDK: sorry, i dont think there should even be an android app. just a mobile web site
Jan 17 08:44:48 <lime> possibly an app that opens a website?
Jan 17 08:44:59 <g00s> gah
Jan 17 08:45:14 <EGamerHDK> Well, the app idea is plenty good in my opinion. I think it would end up similar to the latest Android Design in Action show.
Jan 17 08:45:29 <g00s> good luck
Jan 17 08:46:31 <EGamerHDK> Any links/books/articles for how to pull data from a server database to an application?
Jan 17 08:48:24 <k0nichiwa> how do you typically prevent a button from being pressed twice before you can respond ?
Jan 17 08:49:34 <EGamerHDK> setOnClickListener to null?
Jan 17 08:49:47 <StingRay_> k0nichiwa I just set it to enabled/disabled or if there are many things have a boolean viewIsClickable
Jan 17 08:51:15 <Trinity> its officially in. US is going down
Jan 17 08:51:25 <k0nichiwa> ic, i think there might be a way of disabling user interaction
Jan 17 08:51:26 <Trinity> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-usa-guns-orders-idUSBRE90G06S20130117
Jan 17 08:51:28 <EGamerHDK> k0nichiwa: I usually create a method that set's all my onClickListeners=null and then in all of my onClickListeners I implement that method on every onClick.
Jan 17 08:53:19 <EGamerHDK> Also... Any links/books/articles for how to pull data from a server database to an application?
Jan 17 08:53:36 <StingRay_> Trinity well I have shotguns here in the uk, when you apply for a license you get a nice visit and a chat from the regional police firearms officer
Jan 17 08:54:06 <StingRay_> guess that works well to judge someones eligibility
Jan 17 08:56:16 <Trinity> lol. shits going to go down soon
Jan 17 08:56:24 <StingRay_> "shits" ?
Jan 17 08:56:40 <StingRay_> civil war ?  lol
Jan 17 08:56:42 <Trinity> iono man, we'll see =|
Jan 17 08:58:17 <k0nichiwa> i just Trinity ppl often write a web service to help w/that
Jan 17 08:58:32 <k0nichiwa> its much easier to talk to a php backend with json then directly to an sql server
Jan 17 08:58:52 <k0nichiwa> i mean EGamerHDK
Jan 17 09:03:49 <StingRay_> oh, how come on a seek bar your cannot set a minimum value ?
Jan 17 09:04:22 <Trinity> k0nichiwa: you just me ppl?
Jan 17 09:04:33 <Trinity> oh
Jan 17 09:04:34 <Trinity> nvmd
Jan 17 09:12:33 <lime> i'm lazy.. how do i register when the finger hits the screen?
Jan 17 09:15:20 <brx_> myb a dumb question but i lost my micro usb cable which I use to charge my Nexus 7...can i just replace it with any old microusb cable?
Jan 17 09:15:29 <Leeds> brx_: yes
Jan 17 09:15:37 <brx_> thanks Leeds
Jan 17 09:15:57 <Leeds> just be careful you don't get a charge-only one
Jan 17 09:16:14 <brx_> hmm, whats the difference
Jan 17 09:16:44 <Leeds> well... some cheap cables only have the power pins connected - particularly if they're multi-head ones, say with mini/micro/iPhone on the same cable
Jan 17 09:16:57 <brx_> ohhh i see
Jan 17 09:18:57 <brx_> flippin hell a fiver http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/53793/USB-to-micro-USB-Cable-1m
Jan 17 09:19:36 <brx_> was expecting a couple of quid
Jan 17 09:22:47 <Leeds> something like http://dx.com/p/usb-data-charging-cable-for-samsung-i9000-1m-length-54538
Jan 17 09:23:39 <brx_> ok cheers, i might go market down the road instead of microdirect
Jan 17 09:24:58 <g00s> so the n7 specs still say android 4.1 ...
Jan 17 09:25:51 <g00s> can you update it to 4.2 officially?
Jan 17 09:26:57 <superfluous> are there any popular devices running on intel processors?
Jan 17 09:28:25 <g00s> the only ones i know about are the RAZRr and K900
Jan 17 09:28:29 <g00s> RAZRi
Jan 17 09:29:32 <p_l> there's some... ZTE? I think device showing up in stores
Jan 17 09:29:36 <p_l> not very popular
Jan 17 09:29:47 <capella> g00s: fyi I got a works-for-me from a dev over here on our nightly build (v21)
Jan 17 09:30:00 * p_l clones Google Dapper and calls it "Tapper"
Jan 17 09:30:17 <g00s> capella: hmm; wonder if i need to submit a video or something :|
Jan 17 09:30:21 <Leeds> g00s: a new N7 will try to download and install the 4.2 update as part of the setup
Jan 17 09:30:42 <capella> i'd forwarded your steps-to-reproduce ...
Jan 17 09:30:46 <g00s> Leeds: ah, ok. thx. weird, these are just fresh stock from asus - why they dont have 4.2 already
Jan 17 09:31:03 <capella> and lots can change in 3 releases :)
Jan 17 09:31:06 <Leeds> I think the 32GB ones might...
Jan 17 09:31:47 <p_l> g00s: logistics
Jan 17 09:31:53 <brx_> my 32 gb came with 4.2
Jan 17 09:32:09 <capella> but yah ... drop/file the bugzilla never hurts
Jan 17 09:33:16 <lime> alright, so i changed the name of a .java file in my package ...and now my app stopped working (eclipse doesn't show any apparent mistakes) ...how dumb was this?
Jan 17 09:33:29 <g00s> i need a new dev device and $200 is the most i can spend; i guess the n7 should fit the bill
Jan 17 09:33:45 <lime> slash, can i solve it without going back to the previous filename?
Jan 17 09:34:16 <g00s> lime: better to refactor. file name and class name need to change
Jan 17 09:34:42 <lime> i did change the class name
Jan 17 09:34:45 <brx_> g00s, n7 + aide = pure filth
Jan 17 09:34:57 <g00s> aide ?
Jan 17 09:35:06 <brx_> ye, its an ide that runs on the device
Jan 17 09:35:31 <brx_> saves me lugging my laptop round everywhere, i love it
Jan 17 09:43:02 <lime> alright, so i'm back with the original file/class name and it works again
Jan 17 09:43:14 <lime> any suggestions as to what i did wrong?
Jan 17 09:43:26 <g00s> maybe you didn't refresh the workspace
Jan 17 09:47:29 <lime> Alright, so did a refactor, F5'd.. still no luck
Jan 17 09:49:05 <lime> ok, not completely..
Jan 17 09:49:49 <lime> it's a live wallpaper and when i open it from the list it works fine, but as soon as i set it as wallpaper it stops
Jan 17 09:50:28 <thepoosh> hi goos
Jan 17 09:50:45 <thepoosh> what is the use-case of using a ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor?
Jan 17 09:52:16 <thepoosh> I'm looking at timing a reaccuring task
Jan 17 09:54:29 <thepoosh> what is the best way of controlling and scheduling a reaccuring task?
Jan 17 09:54:43 <thepoosh> Timer, ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor, AlarmManager, Service?
Jan 17 09:57:52 <Tee_Pee> g'day
Jan 17 09:59:09 <Tee_Pee> I am attempting to show a pop-up display above my activity... something like the comment box on facebook... What would be the "normal" way of doing that? A dialog fragment?
Jan 17 09:59:36 <Tee_Pee> or perhaps an empty linear layout in my activity into which I can feed a view when I need it shown?
Jan 17 10:04:57 <squ> Is it okay to change a ListView's adapter dynamically? I felt into choice: 1) use `newView() if (condition) inflate(layout222) else inflate(layout333)` 2) switch adapters ?
Jan 17 10:06:09 <Leeds> squ: um, part of the point of an adapter is that it's perfectly fine to mix different layouts in one listview
Jan 17 10:06:27 <squ> no
Jan 17 10:06:36 <squ> I have 1 list view layout per ListView
Jan 17 10:07:30 <squ> for example: two ListViews - one with apples, second only with cakes :)
Jan 17 10:08:06 <squ> is should be refresh inside activity after user clicks right or left
Jan 17 10:09:01 <squ> not sure will it refresh if I change adapter, and is it going? :)
Jan 17 10:09:30 <g00s> this asus padphone concept is interesting; a phone that docks with a tablet. never heard of this idea; maybe i'm not readind enough these days
Jan 17 10:10:11 <Leeds> g00s: it's been around for a couple of years - they're advertising the Padfone2 on buses around here...
Jan 17 10:10:46 <g00s> hmm
Jan 17 10:11:42 <belgianguy> g00s: yeah, found it intriguing as well, would be even better if they made such slots in TVs or computer monitors
Jan 17 10:12:18 <Leeds> apparently it's actually pretty good - the phone part is solid, it works well when docked, the PF2 dock is impressively tight even though it's just a plug-in dock, etc.
Jan 17 10:12:47 <belgianguy> with the GPU power ramping up, HD should hardly be an issue, wrt to Android I hope its GUI-sizing strategy improves
Jan 17 10:13:00 <Leeds> there's a video from one of the launch events with a journo really shaking the thing around trying to dislodge it
Jan 17 10:15:24 <Leeds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxE_Im20UZM
Jan 17 10:15:41 <Leeds> skip to around 1 minute
Jan 17 10:17:54 <g00s> interesting
Jan 17 10:18:30 <belgianguy> I could see such things accelerate the BYOD culture, if they can guarantee security
Jan 17 10:19:53 <Leeds> looking at $BIG_LOCAL_RETAILER, they've got the phone part for $4300 and the pad for $2300 - that's US$550 and $300, approximately... it's not cheap
Jan 17 10:20:20 <Leeds> meant to be cheaper if you buy a bundle, I think
Jan 17 10:22:00 <belgianguy> $4300, where are you, Leeds ??
Jan 17 10:22:24 <Leeds> somewhere where the local $ is around 7.8 to the US$
Jan 17 10:22:47 <belgianguy> I thought you were from the UK, eg £
Jan 17 10:23:06 <Leeds> from the UK, haven't lived there for over 7 years - I live in Hong Kong
Jan 17 10:23:20 <belgianguy> that explains things :)
Jan 17 10:24:52 <Leeds> some things, anyway ;)
Jan 17 10:27:35 <k0nichiwa> leeds this is where you're from  in the uk:  https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=Leeds&ie=UTF-8
Jan 17 10:29:09 <Leeds> k0nichiwa: and by your IP, I'd guess you're in https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=Orlando&ie=UTF-8 :)
Jan 17 10:30:55 <k0nichiwa> pretty close, but not the correct city
Jan 17 10:31:20 <k0nichiwa> wihtin 100 miles
Jan 17 10:31:21 <Leeds> not Belleview then?
Jan 17 10:31:32 <k0nichiwa> your map took me to orlando
Jan 17 10:31:43 <k0nichiwa> no not bellvue but thats closer
Jan 17 10:31:44 <Leeds> yes, because that was my guess from a simple traceroute
Jan 17 10:33:09 <Leeds> anyway, here in UTC+8, it's time for me to go get dinner
Jan 17 10:34:00 <Chilley> does lcucache persist after a activity has been closed? i'm loading some images from a server into a gridview and i wish it could pull those images from the cache if i go back to the main activity and then open the gridview activity again
Jan 17 10:34:22 <Chilley> lrucache*
Jan 17 10:35:19 <belgianguy> superlinux-hp: you here?
Jan 17 10:35:26 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, yes
Jan 17 10:36:20 <belgianguy> ah, I had a question about the Juno installation, I have a seperate directory for it, but when I pull in ADT et al, would that not corrupt the current install?
Jan 17 10:36:34 <belgianguy> (eg modify files already in use by Indigo)
Jan 17 10:38:43 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, I moved completely to juno
Jan 17 10:39:10 <superlinux-hp> and the same SDK downloads you can still use them. just point Juno to the SDK folder
Jan 17 10:40:03 <belgianguy> ah, I just saw this site, https://developers.google.com/eclipse/docs/install-eclipse-4.2
Jan 17 10:40:18 <belgianguy> most of that I already have, so I should disregard it?
Jan 17 10:49:09 <linuxuz3r> gpu acceleration how?
Jan 17 10:50:00 <monsti> this sentence no verb
Jan 17 10:50:37 <linuxuz3r> i start emulator with gpu accel on but it seems the emulator does not load properly
Jan 17 10:50:45 <linuxuz3r> how do i fix this
Jan 17 10:51:12 <monsti> android-dev.ro has an article on that
Jan 17 10:52:38 <monsti> linuxuz3r: page 2 "configure a usable android emulator"
Jan 17 10:56:37 <EwoudCP> I'm having trouble with margins. In short, I have to position a View in a FrameLayout that covers the whole screen. I tried using margins, and it works, but it is ignored on older devices.
Jan 17 10:57:02 <EwoudCP> (The positioning is done programmatically btw)
Jan 17 11:04:06 <Chilley> okay lruCache doesnt seem to persist after activity gets destroyed, will lruDiskCache do that?
Jan 17 11:04:22 <EwoudCP> And as soon as I posted the question, I immediately get new ideas for fixing it.
Jan 17 11:04:34 <Chilley> or is there any way to not destroy the activity when i go to previous activity from it
Jan 17 11:11:24 <monsti> startActivityForResult
Jan 17 11:17:32 <reuf> i need to implement proof of concept oath backend so that i can use ti to access it and get tokens for my android app. - any suggestions - links, ideas?
Jan 17 11:22:56 <linuxuz3r> monsti, thanks ;p
Jan 17 11:23:04 <monsti> linuxuz3r: yeah ;=
Jan 17 11:23:08 <fairuz> Hi guys. I have a question on loading an app to the emulator. I observed that when I did Run as -> Android Application, it takes a lot of times before the app is launched on the emulator (this emulator is already opened). Is there any way to speed this up? On my other PC (very old PC), somehow the app loading is faster. IS there any parameter we can change for this? Thanks
Jan 17 11:23:50 <fairuz> It's on Eclipse and the iamge is Android 2.3.3
Jan 17 11:23:54 <fairuz> *image
Jan 17 11:25:30 <belgianguy> Juno's on my system for about 15 minutes and has only crashed twice
Jan 17 11:26:12 <belgianguy> its C++ indexer goes OOM :(, as it did in Indifo
Jan 17 11:29:29 <balls2thewall> after i set a bitmap for an imageview are the contents copied somehow somewhere and im free to recycle the bitmap, or is it kept as a reference?
Jan 17 11:32:58 <linuxuz3r> ok so the avd works with nexus devices
Jan 17 11:33:25 <linuxuz3r> does that mean nexus devices are easy to update properly with all features working and on a stable os?
Jan 17 11:34:06 <monsti> on my nexus i have an update button
Jan 17 11:34:12 <monsti> i pressed this once
Jan 17 11:34:35 <zhangxaochen> hip2p, how much power does it cost if I register the sensors and keep it running in the background?
Jan 17 11:35:34 <linuxuz3r> monsti whats your nexus device?
Jan 17 11:36:05 <monsti> nexus 7 with 32gb no 3g
Jan 17 11:38:48 <linuxuz3r> is the nexus s updated to run on jb?
Jan 17 11:40:08 <StingRay_> linuxuz3r  google = http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46602/nexus-s-jelly-bean-update
Jan 17 11:46:37 <lime> ACTION_SCROLL: Constant for getActionMasked(): The motion event contains relative vertical and/or horizontal scroll offsets.
Jan 17 11:46:45 <lime> i'm not sure i fully understand how to use this
Jan 17 11:46:57 <linuxuz3r> StingRay_, thanks
Jan 17 11:47:09 <StingRay_> thank google
Jan 17 11:47:15 <StingRay_> I did not know :)
Jan 17 11:47:20 <linuxuz3r> how do i push gapps to avd
Jan 17 11:47:35 <StingRay_> using push
Jan 17 11:47:47 <linuxuz3r> one by one?
Jan 17 11:47:58 <StingRay_> use the ddms file manager then
Jan 17 11:48:11 <StingRay_> think that does many
Jan 17 11:51:26 <plaisthos> Is there a way to keep an app from showing up under updates in the market other than giving the app another signature?
Jan 17 11:55:26 <StingRay_> plaisthos why wouldnt you want updates ?
Jan 17 11:55:38 <StingRay_> quite important sometimes
Jan 17 11:55:43 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 11:57:26 <greatjustice> Ha so apparently drawn text has default origin BOTTOM left, not top left like the rest of the world
Jan 17 11:57:40 <greatjustice> yet its not documented anywhere
Jan 17 11:57:53 <greatjustice> this is the shit I'm talking about
Jan 17 11:58:34 <StingRay_> on a drawn surface ?
Jan 17 11:58:46 <greatjustice> yep
Jan 17 11:58:56 <greatjustice> Origin y is bottom
Jan 17 11:59:05 <StingRay_> tell me ANY system 2d or 3d that works other than the way android does
Jan 17 11:59:09 <greatjustice> it draws northeast
Jan 17 11:59:25 <greatjustice> lol most have origin top left
Jan 17 11:59:35 <greatjustice> and draw southeast
Jan 17 11:59:48 <StingRay_> in 2d 3d world ?
Jan 17 11:59:53 <StingRay_> really?
Jan 17 12:00:04 <greatjustice> Yes obviously
Jan 17 12:00:32 <greatjustice> Android abides by this convention
Jan 17 12:00:39 <greatjustice> except for drawn text
Jan 17 12:00:39 <StingRay_> so a coordinate system starts 0,0 or 0,0,0 at the top left of the screen ?
Jan 17 12:00:46 <greatjustice> Yep
Jan 17 12:00:56 <greatjustice> always has been always will be
Jan 17 12:00:58 <Chilley> so noone here has any experience in using LruDiskCache?
Jan 17 12:01:05 <greatjustice> its convention now
Jan 17 12:01:08 <StingRay_> Chilley I use
Jan 17 12:01:26 <plaisthos> StingRay_: beautiful widgets version 5 is completly broken. After waiting two months for a version which does not crash on my phone I reverted to the old version. But breaking the signature worked... Seem they don't do signature checking on the apk
Jan 17 12:01:37 <StingRay_> greatjustice well no 2d or 3d package, engine or dcc application has ever done that .... and I used lots
Jan 17 12:02:27 <plaisthos> StingRay_: postscript
Jan 17 12:02:34 <StingRay_> oh right
Jan 17 12:02:39 <StingRay_> not 2d 3d
Jan 17 12:02:43 <StingRay_> desktop publishing
Jan 17 12:02:51 <StingRay_> yeah I get you now
Jan 17 12:03:08 <StingRay_> but a surface is more akin to 2d 3d graphics no ?
Jan 17 12:03:11 <linuxuz3r> android is awesome
Jan 17 12:03:13 <StingRay_> rather than convention of dtp
Jan 17 12:03:15 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 12:03:17 <greatjustice> Okay I don't know. It doesn't matter. The issue is that Android isn't consistent! They deviate from convention here and its not documented!
Jan 17 12:03:31 <linuxuz3r> i like the launchers but ill wait for a devices that has android 5.0 in it
Jan 17 12:03:33 <linuxuz3r> lolz
Jan 17 12:03:37 <greatjustice> They just switch vertical drawing origin
Jan 17 12:03:46 <greatjustice> And don't mention it
Jan 17 12:04:27 <plaisthos> StingRay_: openl also postive Y is upwards
Jan 17 12:04:33 <greatjustice> Talk about the straw that broke the camels back, but its stuff like this that explains why everyone hates coding android
Jan 17 12:04:50 <greatjustice> they can't even write basic documentation for devs
Jan 17 12:04:58 <linuxuz3r> well
Jan 17 12:05:06 <greatjustice> and wonder why the store is filled with garbage apps
Jan 17 12:05:06 <linuxuz3r> i like programming in android
Jan 17 12:05:15 <linuxuz3r> i dont like the fragmentation though
Jan 17 12:05:18 <linuxuz3r> lol
Jan 17 12:05:25 <greatjustice> Cool story.
Jan 17 12:05:27 <linuxuz3r> not fragments but fragmentation
Jan 17 12:05:46 <linuxuz3r> so many people like android
Jan 17 12:06:05 <linuxuz3r> i wonder why its sooo freaking hard to get new features on your older device
Jan 17 12:06:06 <Leeds> linuxuz3r: weren't you listening - everyone hates Android, greatjustice said so
Jan 17 12:06:09 <plaisthos> greatjustice: so it is hardly the rest of the world
Jan 17 12:06:53 <linuxuz3r> Leeds, i like it
Jan 17 12:07:18 <Leeds> no you don't
Jan 17 12:07:26 <greatjustice> plaisthos: no thats not my point. The standard is top left. If they deviate from standard, they ought to mention it. But instead you get to wonder if youre positioning things wrong
Jan 17 12:07:33 <greatjustice> before it dawns on you
Jan 17 12:07:44 <plaisthos> greatjustice: where is that the standard?
Jan 17 12:07:44 <greatjustice> that the engineers pulled a switcheroo
Jan 17 12:07:57 <greatjustice> and then you come to irc and rage like this
Jan 17 12:08:20 <plaisthos> greatjustice: I could only find example where bottom left is the origin
Jan 17 12:08:52 <belgianguy> what'd I miss?
Jan 17 12:08:53 <greatjustice> plaisthos: please don't try to be cute with me. Every view, canvas, and visual element in android is origin top left
Jan 17 12:09:22 <greatjustice> It's de facto standard
Jan 17 12:09:26 <plaisthos> greatjustice: yeah that
Jan 17 12:10:07 <plaisthos> thought you were talking about the postions of the pixels on the screen how they are addresses, nevermind
Jan 17 12:10:35 <greatjustice> All I ask is one short sentence
Jan 17 12:10:49 <Leeds> 6-12 months
Jan 17 12:10:51 <greatjustice> devs, origin for text is bottom left by default
Jan 17 12:10:56 <Leeds> depending on behaviour
Jan 17 12:11:07 <greatjustice> because everything else is top left always
Jan 17 12:11:51 <webczat> hello
Jan 17 12:11:53 <greatjustice> Look lack of documentation here is simply indefensible.
Jan 17 12:11:58 <webczat> how do you read text messages?
Jan 17 12:12:05 <greatjustice> Wrong Chan
Jan 17 12:12:13 <greatjustice> #android
Jan 17 12:12:22 <webczat> nope, not a wrong channel :)
Jan 17 12:12:34 <webczat> I asked how do you programatically read text messages. :D:D:D
Jan 17 12:12:45 <greatjustice> O.o
Jan 17 12:13:28 <webczat> did you think I'm such a person who knows how to use irc but reading a text message is a black magic? :D
Jan 17 12:14:14 <StingRay_> webczat no but there are many google results on how to do that, have you read them and have a problem ?
Jan 17 12:14:20 <greatjustice> Idk you came in right after my rage
Jan 17 12:14:41 <greatjustice> android documentation sucks I'm out peace
Jan 17 12:14:48 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 12:14:49 <webczat> the reason I ask is that I can't find a provider for that
Jan 17 12:15:13 <Leeds> I think there is no official public provider
Jan 17 12:15:23 <StingRay_> content://sms is the db
Jan 17 12:15:39 <Leeds> StingRay_: but it's not a published API, is it?
Jan 17 12:15:41 <webczat> like you can, but you don't have/need special contracts?
Jan 17 12:16:01 <Leeds> which means it could change with any Android release, or any vendor build
Jan 17 12:16:11 <StingRay_> Leeds na there is no special api is there ?
Jan 17 12:16:16 <webczat> it's strange for me that some permissions are documented while the api for using them is not
Jan 17 12:17:20 <Leeds> I think... and I could be wrong on this... that there *was* a public API, before Android 1.0 - and it's possible that there are still some echos of it left
Jan 17 12:17:41 <webczat> hmm an example is: mount or unmount storage. how?
Jan 17 12:18:46 <Chilley> StingRay_: does the LruDiskCache persist after the activity has been destroyed?
Jan 17 12:19:11 <plaisthos> part
Jan 17 12:21:29 <linuxuz3r> thanks guys
Jan 17 12:21:32 <linuxuz3r> good night
Jan 17 12:22:35 <webczat> where are documentations/info on all available providers? including those without public api?
Jan 17 12:22:47 <webczat> also how do you "receive" sms messages? I don't mean accessing them
Jan 17 12:23:00 <StingRay_> intercept with broadcast
Jan 17 12:23:08 <StingRay_> register for it
Jan 17 12:23:12 <webczat> which action?
Jan 17 12:23:46 <StingRay_> android.permission.BROADCAST_SMS
Jan 17 12:23:54 <StingRay_> android.provider.Telephony.SMS_RECEIVED
Jan 17 12:24:29 <webczat> is it documented?
Jan 17 12:24:39 <StingRay_> quite obvious that you need also the permission android.permission.RECEIVE_SMS
Jan 17 12:26:43 <webczat> like where can I find official info? is it somewhere in android docs?
Jan 17 12:30:41 <Chilley> also another question, I have a async task that loads up image urls to a ArrayList which is used my a custom adatper extending baseadapter. This adapter loads theese images and populates a gridview with them. After the asynctask has loaded all urls i call notifyDataSetChange in the postExecute method, however this does nothing. I have fixed this by also calling a updateUrls(ArrayList newUrls)  method in my customadapter which simply gives the array
Jan 17 12:31:55 <Chilley> i read somewhere that i should call notifyDataSetChange for every item i add to the arrayList instead of calling it once per batch
Jan 17 12:32:04 <Chilley> is this true?
Jan 17 12:33:06 <StingRay_> Chilley out of interest why not have the async task end by actually setting the imageView ?
Jan 17 12:33:08 <StingRay_> thats what I do
Jan 17 12:33:26 <brixsat> Hello, im doing an app wich uses videoview, and some videos are ok others are slow then fast then again slow than fast again and so on
Jan 17 12:33:53 <brixsat> what could it be causing this?
Jan 17 12:34:38 <Chilley> StingRay_: isn't that what the adapter is supposed to do when it's getItem method is called
Jan 17 12:35:21 <StingRay_> Chilley yes but... get item returns view with your layout, and you want this pretty much instant....maybe with a placeholder spinny progress in place of the image
Jan 17 12:35:44 <StingRay_> then in your async pass a ref to the imageView and your item to load
Jan 17 12:35:58 <StingRay_> oh and the progbar so it can hide it too
Jan 17 12:36:01 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 12:36:09 <StingRay_> so they appear as they load
Jan 17 12:36:23 <abhinavmehta> I want to write simple(HelloWorld) Augmented Reality app….any quick pointers/read to start with?
Jan 17 12:36:25 <StingRay_> rather than you loading them all and setting them all at the end
Jan 17 12:38:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> What layout tag(s) do I need to set in my activity.xml inside my <Button>s so that they dont all stack on top of each other?
Jan 17 12:39:25 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: switch to linear layout..else share which layout you are using
Jan 17 12:40:03 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: how do i tell which layout im using <_>
Jan 17 12:40:39 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon there is no spoon
Jan 17 12:40:47 <StingRay_> bend yourself
Jan 17 12:40:49 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 12:40:53 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: you're the 12038th person to say that :p
Jan 17 12:40:58 <StingRay_> I know
Jan 17 12:41:04 <StingRay_> but I'm smiling
Jan 17 12:41:11 <WhereIsMySpoon> ^_^
Jan 17 12:42:14 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: In abstract terms, your button is a view, it needs to live in some ViewGroup(for example: LinearLayout or other) …that ViewGroup decides how things inside its container will lay.
Jan 17 12:42:24 <Chilley> StingRay_: isn't the diskLruCache part of the standard android library?
Jan 17 12:42:35 <Chilley> eclipse can't find any import for it
Jan 17 12:42:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: oh, ive just got it inside the relativelayout tag
Jan 17 12:42:50 <StingRay_> Chilley  lruCache
Jan 17 12:42:54 <WhereIsMySpoon> i guess thats wrong
Jan 17 12:42:56 <StingRay_> LruCache
Jan 17 12:43:01 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: well…than switch to Linear one
Jan 17 12:43:16 <StingRay_> Chilley http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/LruCache.html
Jan 17 12:44:09 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: than figure out the correct one
Jan 17 12:45:25 <webczat> why the api is undocumented but the permission is?
Jan 17 12:45:32 <Chilley> StingRay_: i'm talking about http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/cache-bitmap.html#disk-cache
Jan 17 12:45:47 <webczat> I hhardly understand that practice
Jan 17 12:45:54 <Chilley> which is supposed to store the cache on disk instead of memory
Jan 17 12:46:19 <StingRay_> Chilley oh I use the memory cache with weak refs for my images
Jan 17 12:46:22 <StingRay_> I think
Jan 17 12:46:24 <StingRay_> hang on
Jan 17 12:46:26 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: hm, ok i changed it to linearlayout so now all the <Button>s are inside <LinearLayout> tag but theyre still stacked
Jan 17 12:47:11 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: did you tweaked layout_weight option for buttons.?
Jan 17 12:47:26 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: if possible share your snippet
Jan 17 12:47:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: no i didnt, ill need to look taht up to see how ti works
Jan 17 12:47:44 <StingRay_> Chilley yeah I do, sorry not used disk one
Jan 17 12:47:54 <Chilley> StingRay_: i implemented the basic LruCache already, but it didn't help with my problem which is keeping the images in store even when user presses back button from my gridview
Jan 17 12:48:27 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: share your snippet, that could give more insights
Jan 17 12:48:30 <Chilley> when the user gets back to the gridview i wish it could load the images from cache instead of downloading the again from the server
Jan 17 12:48:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: http://pastie.org/5704149
Jan 17 12:48:38 <StingRay_> Chilley a service would keep activity data
Jan 17 12:48:51 <StingRay_> then your acts can just ask the service for it
Jan 17 12:49:03 <StingRay_> not done that in mine yet but will do soon
Jan 17 12:49:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: this is activity.xml
Jan 17 12:49:18 <WhereIsMySpoon> *activity_main.xml
Jan 17 12:49:24 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: at line#3 and line#4 change match_parent to fill_parent
Jan 17 12:50:02 <WhereIsMySpoon> abhinavmehta: done, still stacked
Jan 17 12:50:11 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: give me a sec
Jan 17 12:50:17 <WhereIsMySpoon> same for inside <button>?
Jan 17 12:50:21 <WhereIsMySpoon> change to fill_parent?
Jan 17 12:50:33 <WhereIsMySpoon> sure, np
Jan 17 12:50:50 <Chilley> it's just services sounds a bit overkill for this, never used them, however maybe i could just save the images manually to disk and then load them from there if they exist?
Jan 17 12:51:11 <WhereIsMySpoon> wait those already are fill_parent <_>
Jan 17 12:51:14 <WhereIsMySpoon> derp
Jan 17 12:51:55 <StingRay_> Chilley sounds good to do that
Jan 17 12:52:06 <webczat> can yyou safely write secure settings if you have the permission?
Jan 17 12:52:14 <WhereIsMySpoon> fill_parent is the same as match_parent in api 8 and higher :S
Jan 17 12:52:14 <webczat> or it's undocumented? the provider is there
Jan 17 12:53:59 <StingRay_> erm I have a numeracy question, why when I take a float or double of 0.1 and add 0.1 to it many times does it go  0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.59999999999997 ?
Jan 17 12:54:00 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: hmm…add android:orientation="vertical"
Jan 17 12:54:13 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: add that in LinearLayout..
Jan 17 12:54:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> aha
Jan 17 12:54:26 <WhereIsMySpoon> that did it
Jan 17 12:54:36 <WhereIsMySpoon> it was trying to orient them horizontal? ^^
Jan 17 12:54:45 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: cool..hmm
Jan 17 12:55:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: floating point numbers aren't accurate
Jan 17 12:55:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> though i doubt that will happen after only 6 times
Jan 17 12:55:38 <ahhughes> whats the best way to force an activity to be landscape only?
Jan 17 12:55:53 <WhereIsMySpoon> thanks abhin
Jan 17 12:56:05 <abhinavmehta> WhereIsMySpoon: np :)
Jan 17 12:57:25 <misterli> My Eclipse is running VERY slow on a brandnew Intel I7 with 16GB DDR3 and SSD. Any idea why? Checked for Updates but there'r no updates availalb.e
Jan 17 12:57:57 <abhinavmehta> misterli: increase RAM settings in eclipse.ini
Jan 17 12:58:02 <osxorgate> misterli: standard answer: install intellij
Jan 17 12:58:15 <WhereIsMySpoon> osxorgate: that's not particularly helpful
Jan 17 12:58:27 <ixc> yes, he need sdk and vim :)
Jan 17 12:58:30 <osxorgate> it is in the long run ^_^
Jan 17 12:58:32 <WhereIsMySpoon> especially since eclipse is the only officially supported android dev ide
Jan 17 13:00:14 <abhinavmehta> misterli: further if you want your eclipse to run fast and smooth almost as intellij…than learn about RamDisk
Jan 17 13:00:36 <misterli> Okay, thanks :)
Jan 17 13:03:15 <misterli> i changed the settings in eclipse.ini to huge ramsizes and it's not very fast. In the Footer of Eclipse it's only 289M of 981M but it's running slowly. Windows 7 ultimate is installed since 3 days. All drivers are up2date. It was very fast in Win8. Still any ideas?
Jan 17 13:03:38 <misterli> Switching between open classes/XMLs takes about 10-20 seconds. Autocomplete of classes about 5-10 Seconds
Jan 17 13:03:59 <abhinavmehta> misterli: As I mentioned, read about RamDisk
Jan 17 13:04:27 <StingRay_> or switch to lnx
Jan 17 13:04:29 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 13:04:48 <abhinavmehta> misterli: what you done yet, is just increased the ram-usage by eclipse…now port complete dev-env on ramdisk
Jan 17 13:05:00 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: IntelliJ gets mentioned on the developer pages, and if I wasn't using the NDK, I'd boot it in a heartbeat :p
Jan 17 13:05:13 <ixc> and now rewrite eclipse in c
Jan 17 13:05:42 <misterli> I'll try it with ramdisk. It's annoying. I just intalled the official android-eclipse version with adt-bundle included. This may be the reason for slow eclipse?
Jan 17 13:05:45 <belgianguy> misterli: if Eclipse isn't your thing, try out IntelliJ Community Edition
Jan 17 13:05:56 <belgianguy> eclipse is slow as a feature
Jan 17 13:06:27 <misterli> Does IntelliJ Support an easy-to-use android support?
Jan 17 13:06:50 <abhinavmehta> misterli: no help than..better go with intellij…..AFAIK you can't make eclipse any faster.
Jan 17 13:07:05 <speeder> anyone here make games?
Jan 17 13:07:06 <belgianguy> misterli: I don't recall problems setting it up, and in release 12 they paid extra attention to Android (GUI designer etc)
Jan 17 13:07:16 <misterli> Okay (:
Jan 17 13:07:27 <misterli> I'd love netbeans but thres' no well android support in NB :(
Jan 17 13:07:29 <speeder> to any person that make games: how you handle the bazillions of screen shapes and sizes?
Jan 17 13:07:46 <belgianguy> misterli: NetBeans is possible too, I believe user timroes does it that way
Jan 17 13:07:50 <belgianguy> but he's not here atm
Jan 17 13:08:17 <misterli> Okay
Jan 17 13:09:11 <belgianguy> with more and more inter device connections becoming possible, I'm also a bity wary of UI design hell
Jan 17 13:09:34 <belgianguy> if one has to design from a very small to a very large UI, one might have lots of /drawable-xxxx folders
Jan 17 13:10:00 <belgianguy> atm I dump my stuff in the raw folder, and use that in my C++
Jan 17 13:12:23 <speeder> someone can point me resources about how to handle screen fragmentation?
Jan 17 13:12:38 <speeder> no, don't point me to the official docs, I am not making native stuff, neither business-style apps
Jan 17 13:15:18 <xgear> http://pastebin.com/whPur52x someone can explain where is mistake? i want to draw triangle but can't.
Jan 17 13:17:04 <webczat> is it possible to handle incoming calls using an application? like a call is made and an application sends audio through it and receives ringtones
Jan 17 13:17:43 <belgianguy> speeder: fragments can alleviate some of the pain, and you can introduce layouts per screen size, or block devices that do not fit your target
Jan 17 13:18:27 <belgianguy> eg single screen on small screen and dual screen on big screen etc
Jan 17 13:18:40 <speeder> fragments?
Jan 17 13:22:31 <webczat> can the application reroute the call stream somehow?
Jan 17 13:23:27 <EwoudCP> A new problem. I'm trying to make a background effect "follow" a View around. When the view moves or changes size, the background drawable changes.
Jan 17 13:24:58 <p_l> webczat: not with anything normal
Jan 17 13:25:19 <webczat> really not? the phonne app can be build
Jan 17 13:26:08 <Mavrik> hmm... guys, I have a wierd problem with AsyncTask not starting on Android 4.2... has anyone seen anything like it?
Jan 17 13:26:34 <EwoudCP> Right now, it boils down to grabbing the View's (global) coordinates whenever they change using
Jan 17 13:27:07 <EwoudCP> Derp it pressed enter D: anyways
Jan 17 13:27:25 <belgianguy> speeder: yes...
Jan 17 13:27:51 <belgianguy> speeder: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html
Jan 17 13:28:28 <EwoudCP> I did an override on the onLayout method of the View, but on older devices it doesn't reliably grab the global coordinates
Jan 17 13:29:15 <xgear> http://pastebin.com/whPur52x i want to draw triangle but something is wrong? Where is mistake?
Jan 17 13:29:30 <EwoudCP> (Which is not that surprising, considering that it's probably still in the middle of a UI rebuild there)
Jan 17 13:29:48 <StingRay_> xgear can you draw anything else on that ? have you tried ?
Jan 17 13:30:00 <xgear> yes
Jan 17 13:30:02 <xgear> arc
Jan 17 13:30:07 <xgear> circly
Jan 17 13:30:09 <xgear> e
Jan 17 13:30:15 <xgear> rect using path
Jan 17 13:32:00 <EwoudCP> Is there any (API 7 or up) way I can detect a View moving *and* grab the global coordinates reliably?
Jan 17 13:32:13 <speeder> belgianguy:  I think you did not read what I wrote :(
Jan 17 13:32:26 <speeder> [11:12am] speeder: someone can point me resources about how to handle screen fragmentation?
Jan 17 13:32:26 <speeder> [11:12am] speeder: no, don't point me to the official docs, I am not making native stuff, neither business-style apps
Jan 17 13:32:50 <StingRay_> speeder then I would suggest you say what it is you are doing an how
Jan 17 13:33:05 <speeder> I am making games
Jan 17 13:34:01 <StingRay_> and when you say handle screen fragmentation you mean resolutions and aspects of/relation to/driving what ?
Jan 17 13:34:29 <StingRay_> texture/mips/dimension values ?
Jan 17 13:36:00 <xgear> StingRay_: any ideas whtat is wrong with my triangle?
Jan 17 13:36:47 <StingRay_> xgear does it draw anything at all ?
Jan 17 13:37:18 <xgear> yes, when i draw rect using path - it is ok
Jan 17 13:38:46 <StingRay_> no i mean with your pastbin code
Jan 17 13:38:52 <StingRay_> do you see anything at all ?
Jan 17 13:40:17 <xgear> in pastebin?
Jan 17 13:40:35 <StingRay_> also if your doing lineTo do you need moveTo ?
Jan 17 13:41:56 <xgear> oh god
Jan 17 13:42:05 <speeder> StingRay_: yes, aspects and sizes
Jan 17 13:42:07 <xgear> (facepalm)
Jan 17 13:42:25 <xgear> StingRay_: thanks, it is my fail
Jan 17 13:43:04 <StingRay_> speeder you still have not said what aspects of your game you want to drive based on aspect and size
Jan 17 13:43:16 <StingRay_> so your question is a little unclear
Jan 17 13:43:39 <StingRay_> and probably very engine/draw engine related/specific
Jan 17 13:44:04 <speeder> StingRay_: I am making the engine, I want to know how people handle multiple aspect rates and resolutions
Jan 17 13:44:08 <speeder> not how they code it
Jan 17 13:44:13 <speeder> more how they plan it
Jan 17 13:46:07 <StingRay_> I would suspect that it would be highly dependant on the context of the assets and game/gameplay
Jan 17 13:46:45 <StingRay_> I doubt that there is one answer for that
Jan 17 14:04:16 <balls2thewall> could anyone share what are the differences between a Drawable and a Bitmap? id appreciate some explanations as well i.e. why one is more appropriate than the other for certain things
Jan 17 14:11:08 <H3bus> Any of you use or ever used Parse.com push notifications solution ?
Jan 17 14:14:27 <StingRay_> balls2thewall bitmap == absolute   drawable != absolute
Jan 17 14:15:07 <balls2thewall> StingRay_ errr could i ask for an explanation in less abstract terms?
Jan 17 14:15:10 <timroes> balls2thewall: A Bitmap is really a bitmap. Meaning you have WIDTHxHEIGHT bitmap each pixel have a specified color and alpha, a drawable is an abstraction of anything that can be drawn in android. that can be a bitmap, or an xml drawable list or somethings
Jan 17 14:15:35 <timroes> e.g. you have a png file places in drawbale-ldpi and drawable-mdpi and so on
Jan 17 14:15:50 * balls2thewall feels stupid
Jan 17 14:15:57 <timroes> so the drawable would represent all these, the abstract png file
Jan 17 14:16:10 <androverso> hi guys! can anyone tell me if it is possible to create an app with tablet support (specific layouts) below api level 11 (version 3.0 aka. honeycomb)
Jan 17 14:16:11 <balls2thewall> i somehow didnt imagine the drawable map might be related to the class
Jan 17 14:16:15 <timroes> it will then load an bitmap, what is the bitmap representing the png file from your current resolution
Jan 17 14:17:16 <timroes> some possible drawables are (from documentation): Known Direct Subclasses   BitmapDrawable,                           ClipDrawable,                            ColorDrawable,                            DrawableContainer,        GradientDrawable,                            InsetDrawable,                            LayerDrawable,              NinePatchDrawable,                            PictureDrawable,                     
Jan 17 14:18:05 <timroes> and a BitmapDrawable represents that kind of drawable, where the content is really a bitmap, i.e. the BitmapDrawable has a method getBitmap() to get the Bitmap class :)
Jan 17 14:18:16 <timroes> hope that helped a bit understanding the differences
Jan 17 14:30:23 <StingRay_> timroes missed the one i used most,  shapeDrawable
Jan 17 14:30:43 <timroes> StingRay_: last one in the list? :)
Jan 17 14:31:03 <timroes> i copy+pasted from the docu the known subclasses of Drawable :)
Jan 17 14:31:08 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 14:32:33 <nerd_ema> hi all!
Jan 17 14:32:33 <lapdis> once i have installed google analytics through the sdk manager, is there a nicer way to att the jar to my project than to copypaste it into my libs-folder?
Jan 17 14:32:47 <nerd_ema> i have a problem :S with a margin, someone can help me?
Jan 17 14:33:22 <nerd_ema> http://pastebin.com/LGHJnB7a look here :S i can't set the margin of my element
Jan 17 14:34:09 <nerd_ema> someone know why i can't set the margin on the relative layout? PLS
Jan 17 14:34:39 <novie> nerd_ema: please don't keep asking over and over.
Jan 17 14:34:41 <timroes> nerd_ema: not an answer to your question, but do you really need to do it in code?
Jan 17 14:34:44 <novie> if someone can help they will.
Jan 17 14:35:14 <nerd_ema> tnx novie
Jan 17 14:35:33 <nerd_ema> timroes: yes i need to do it, i need to print a list of youtube video
Jan 17 14:35:51 <nerd_ema> and i need to set 10dp of margin on each row
Jan 17 14:35:58 <StingRay_> what type of view is tl ?
Jan 17 14:36:07 <nerd_ema> talbe
Jan 17 14:36:14 <timroes> nerd_ema: you most surly want to use a grid view there
Jan 17 14:36:14 <nerd_ema> TableLayout
Jan 17 14:36:26 <novie> eek.
Jan 17 14:36:39 <StingRay_> and your wanting the contents of tl to have gaps or the stuff in rl to be spaced ?
Jan 17 14:37:25 <StingRay_> oh yeah...and eek!
Jan 17 14:37:29 <nerd_ema> xD i have many problem with english! sorry all!   i can't set the margin :S
Jan 17 14:37:40 <nerd_ema> the top margin of one relative layout
Jan 17 14:37:56 <nerd_ema> the margin isn't setted
Jan 17 14:38:03 <nerd_ema> set*
Jan 17 14:38:22 <novie> nerd_ema: I would recommend you do not use a table layout.
Jan 17 14:38:35 <nerd_ema> novie: what i can use?
Jan 17 14:38:47 <nerd_ema> an other relativelayout?
Jan 17 14:38:51 <novie> nerd_ema: that depends on your layout needs.
Jan 17 14:39:09 <timroes> sorry for repeating me: but it sounds to me like you would like to create a list?
Jan 17 14:39:09 <nerd_ema> because the tablelayout is here because i need to scroll the content
Jan 17 14:39:18 <timroes> so with perhapf unknown entries yet?
Jan 17 14:39:22 <novie> nerd_ema: you can use a ScrollView
Jan 17 14:39:29 <novie> with a RelativeLayout as the child.
Jan 17 14:39:30 <timroes> I would recommend using a ListView or GridView for that
Jan 17 14:39:41 <timroes> but perhaps I am totally getting it wrong, what you are trying to do
Jan 17 14:39:48 <nerd_ema> yes novie, i have used a scrollview and into i have see the tablelayout
Jan 17 14:40:03 <novie> tablelayout isn't the way to go.
Jan 17 14:40:13 <nerd_ema> no now i remove the tablelaout and i put the relative laout?
Jan 17 14:40:13 <novie> if you are populating a list use a ListView.
Jan 17 14:40:24 <nerd_ema> listview?
Jan 17 14:40:29 <nerd_ema> ok i try that
Jan 17 14:40:35 <nerd_ema> tnx for now :)
Jan 17 14:40:37 <timroes> nerd_ema: ListView or GridView depending on what directions you want it to scroll :)
Jan 17 14:40:55 <nerd_ema> timroes: vertical scroll
Jan 17 14:41:00 <timroes> you can customize the view of each entry, but if you mainly want to populate a list, definately do that instead of building it the way you want
Jan 17 14:41:03 <novie> listview.
Jan 17 14:41:05 <timroes> nerd_ema: ListView it is :)
Jan 17 14:41:23 <timroes> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidListView/article.html thats a good tutorial on how to use lists in android
Jan 17 14:41:25 <nerd_ema> tnx
Jan 17 14:41:29 <timroes> and how to code the adapter and such
Jan 17 14:45:07 <nerd_ema> but here someone is italian? :)
Jan 17 14:45:46 <timroes> non sono
Jan 17 14:46:12 <timroes> I could serve with German ;)
Jan 17 14:46:17 <nerd_ema> lol
Jan 17 14:46:20 <Smashcat> Hi, I'm having a problem with my apps replacing eachother on the phone instead of installing side by side. They all have different activity names, and are completely separate, but are signed with the same certificate. Do I need to generate a new cert per app now? This didn't use to happen.
Jan 17 14:46:29 <nerd_ema> i have a problem with the listview :S
Jan 17 14:46:58 <nerd_ema> how i can append relativelayout into listview? :S what is the child of this list?
Jan 17 14:47:31 <novie> nerd_ema: you don't append it. you need to implement a list view with children that are relative layouts. look at sample code.
Jan 17 14:47:34 <timroes> Smashcat: do they have different package names in the manifest tag of your AndroidManifest?
Jan 17 14:48:11 <Smashcat> timroes: Yes, they are all completely separate apps. That's why I'm finding it weird. The only thing they have in common is using the same signing cert
Jan 17 14:48:22 <novie> Smashcat: package names need to be unique
Jan 17 14:48:34 <timroes> Smashcat: if they have different package names they should be different apps
Jan 17 14:48:52 <Smashcat> I'll just check anyway...
Jan 17 14:48:52 <timroes> make sure you really have different <manifest package"...UNIQUE..."> in your manifest file
Jan 17 14:50:21 <Smashcat> timroes: Right, ok, that's why I guess. This must be a new restriction, as I had all the apps installed before, but since uninstalling, they only install uniquely.
Jan 17 14:50:38 <novie> Smashcat: nope. it has always been that way.
Jan 17 14:50:40 <Elderwolf> I'm having a problem with webviews in Android 4.0 and greater.  They seem to default to a medium zoom, but zoom is disabled.  No matter what settings I enabled for zoom.  Any ideas?
Jan 17 14:51:00 <Smashcat> movie: Then how did I have them all on my phone? Strange.
Jan 17 14:51:19 <timroes> perhaps you had different package names beforhand, and accidentally changed them
Jan 17 14:51:29 <timroes> (or eclipse or so did so)
Jan 17 14:52:36 <Smashcat> timroes: No, the apps are from about a year ago - haven't been updated at all. This was only noticed because I had to reset the phone the apps were all on. Then I noticed it wouldn't install them all. The apps have been sitting on a server. Very strange, ah well, thanks.
Jan 17 14:53:10 <timroes> that indeed is strange, because as novie said, the restriction has been there since the very beginning
Jan 17 14:53:13 <novie> Smashcat: yea, it is definitely not new. Packages on android have always been unique.
Jan 17 14:53:53 <Smashcat> novie: Cool, so if I change the package name in the manifests, will I need to do anything else before recompiling?
Jan 17 14:53:58 <nerd_ema> novie: with listview i can do that? https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7e3wyyh7io5ks1/Screenshot_2013-01-17-15-52-07.png
Jan 17 14:54:12 <timroes> nerd_ema: you can
Jan 17 14:54:19 <nerd_ema> i need to do that but with the top margin
Jan 17 14:54:20 <Smashcat> novie: I'm using Eclipse, btw
Jan 17 14:54:26 <nerd_ema> and now cant work
Jan 17 14:54:47 <timroes> nerd_ema: a listview is just a list of dirrente layout, you can compeltly define yourself what each list entry should look alike
Jan 17 14:55:04 <novie> Smashcat: that shouldn't matter. It isn't Eclipse that decides the install. It will reject it on device.
Jan 17 14:55:17 <timroes> Smashcat: also read that  http://android-developers.blogspot.de/2011/06/things-that-cannot-change.html
Jan 17 14:55:20 <novie> nerd_ema: you need to read the sample code.
Jan 17 14:55:31 <nerd_ema> novie: now i try
Jan 17 14:56:10 <Smashcat> novie: No, I mean, I'm going to change all the package names - wondered if I'll need to change anything else in the projects after doing this, before recompiling. Just going to try it though
Jan 17 14:57:00 <timroes> Smashcat: the activitiy's name tag (the class) is relative to the package name
Jan 17 14:57:10 <timroes> if you don't specified it as an absolute class name
Jan 17 14:57:20 <novie> Smashcat: package name should be enough.
Jan 17 14:57:29 <novie> ++ timroes
Jan 17 14:58:01 <novie> you need to make sure the activity class references are correct. better to specify the fully qualified name. package + class.
Jan 17 15:04:13 <majackson> hey, im reading on stackoverflow that the 'back' button calls onDestroy on an activity if not explicitly overridden on the app. is there anywhere this is formally documented?
Jan 17 15:09:34 <timroes> majackson: "When the user presses the Back button, the current activity is popped from the top of the stack (the activity is destroyed) and the previous activity resumes (the previous state of its UI is restored). "
Jan 17 15:09:39 <timroes> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/tasks-and-back-stack.html
Jan 17 15:09:41 <Smashcat> ...lost connection and couldn't get back because my nick was still in use. Gotta love Virgin Broadband
Jan 17 15:11:45 <majackson> timroes: thanks
Jan 17 15:12:28 <timroes> you're welcome
Jan 17 15:12:55 <belgianguy> argh, tried to solve a warning I was getting
Jan 17 15:13:00 <belgianguy> well the warning is gone
Jan 17 15:13:03 <lov> majackson: bear in mind that the default implementation of the back key handler just calls finish(), so this is applicable anywhere you'd call finish()
Jan 17 15:13:08 <belgianguy> but now there are > 200 'errors'
Jan 17 15:13:23 <belgianguy> c++ is a fickle thing
Jan 17 15:13:31 <belgianguy> Eclipse doubly so
Jan 17 15:13:40 <timroes> belgianguy: in your new job? :)
Jan 17 15:13:51 <xgear> hi! Maybe someone have experience in porting zxing barcode scanner into fragment in own application?
Jan 17 15:13:59 <belgianguy> timroes: sadly, not yet
Jan 17 15:14:18 <timroes> because if you are forced to work with eclipse i would insist on a pay raise :)
Jan 17 15:14:33 <belgianguy> they were very impressed by my presentation, loved my views on technology, liked my CV
Jan 17 15:14:43 <belgianguy> BUT were looking for someone with more experience
Jan 17 15:14:54 <nerd_ema> yeeeee! novie i have solve https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbcf31g85056czr/Screenshot_2013-01-17-16-13-56.png
Jan 17 15:15:05 <belgianguy> so in essence, back to square one :/
Jan 17 15:15:26 <novie> nerd_ema: cool
Jan 17 15:15:45 <belgianguy> I hate eclipse with the force of a thousand suns, upgraded to Juno with the (ill-fated) belief that they would have fixed things
Jan 17 15:15:47 <timroes> oh thats bad
Jan 17 15:15:47 <nerd_ema> ;) tnx, but im noob on android :S i am new on java
Jan 17 15:16:14 <belgianguy> oh brother, good thing I made a backup
Jan 17 15:16:32 <Smashcat> Heheh, been a long time since I worked with Eclipse - forgot how daft it is. Right click on a project, choose "run config", and it actually brings up the run config for a different project! Awesome
Jan 17 15:16:42 <timroes> nerd_ema: i really hope you didn't solve it with adding relative views below each other :)
Jan 17 15:17:06 <timroes> but read the listview tutorial
Jan 17 15:17:11 <nerd_ema> Looool
Jan 17 15:17:16 <nerd_ema> timroes: not :D
Jan 17 15:17:33 <belgianguy> I tried to be mr perfect, and succeeded in getting no errors at all, but then I saw a warning pop up
Jan 17 15:17:35 <nerd_ema> i have used 2 relativelayout :D
Jan 17 15:17:44 <nerd_ema> the first with 10 of padding top
Jan 17 15:17:50 <nerd_ema> and the second whith background :D
Jan 17 15:18:00 <belgianguy> and I couldn't have that
Jan 17 15:18:14 <belgianguy> and now the damn thing spews forth more than 200 errors
Jan 17 15:18:29 <belgianguy> even references I declared myself in the .h file, it no longer 'sees'
Jan 17 15:19:42 <timroes> nerd_ema: then next stpe befor implementing something else read the vogella tutorial, understand listviews and their adapters and implement it in that :)
Jan 17 15:19:54 <timroes> its not just code quality but also speed, memory and such
Jan 17 15:20:12 <nerd_ema> ;)
Jan 17 15:20:28 <timroes> e.g. are you freeing items when they scrol out of view
Jan 17 15:20:29 <belgianguy> and the c++ indexer insists on indexing all >8000 header/source files, it has yet to get halfway before crashing with OOM
Jan 17 15:20:40 <timroes> otherwise you will terribly polute your memory (and might come to outofmemory exceptions)
Jan 17 15:21:23 <nerd_ema> :S cool
Jan 17 15:21:34 <nerd_ema> i don't know that language
Jan 17 15:21:41 <nerd_ema> i need to study
Jan 17 15:22:07 <nerd_ema> im webdesigner and programmer on netframework, c, c++, but not java :D
Jan 17 15:24:26 <Smashcat> Is there a way to make Android use the current active application when an NFC card is swiped, instead of asking which  application to use?
Jan 17 15:24:39 <brx_> nerd_ema, if you know c and c++ then really java should be very intuitive to you :p
Jan 17 15:24:50 <Smashcat> (I have 3 apps that all respond to NFC swipes)
Jan 17 15:25:09 <nerd_ema> brx_: yes but i don't know the framework of java
Jan 17 15:25:15 <nerd_ema> the methods
Jan 17 15:25:22 <nerd_ema> and all libraries
Jan 17 15:25:40 <belgianguy> nerd_ema: Head First Java, I really liked that book
Jan 17 15:25:56 <brx_> ye, its more a matter of learning the libs/api's
Jan 17 15:25:57 <belgianguy> and programming is programming after all; so a for loop is still a for loop etc
Jan 17 15:26:10 <timroes> Smashcat: you can
Jan 17 15:26:11 <nerd_ema> only that, the language is easy, infact i have developed that application yesterday
Jan 17 15:26:33 <timroes> Smashcat:  http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/nfc/advanced-nfc.html#foreground-dispatch
Jan 17 15:27:54 <Smashcat> timroes: I see, so I basically have to prevent the default action from occuring, which launches an app when an NFC event happens
Jan 17 15:28:13 <timroes> yeah thats what you do
Jan 17 15:28:26 <timroes> you tell android that you want to take care of the nfc intents now
Jan 17 15:28:32 <timroes> and not let it decide which app to chose
Jan 17 15:29:20 <Smashcat> timroes: Thanks, I'll see about changing these apps to do that
Jan 17 15:29:21 <Suchorski> Found: *** *** ***
Jan 17 15:29:58 <timroes> Smashcat: that are all 3 your apps?
Jan 17 15:30:31 <Smashcat> timroes: Yes, there are 3 apps. They all work with NFC tags
Jan 17 15:31:52 <Smashcat> So at the moment, a tag is swiped, then I have to choose which app to use, even if one is already running.
Jan 17 15:32:34 <timroes> yeah those activities would need to say they want to take over the nfc intents now
Jan 17 15:32:47 <timroes> at least over the ones, that they can handle
Jan 17 15:32:58 <Smashcat> timroes: Yep, that's what I need, so that the one that's running will automatically be used
Jan 17 15:33:38 <nerd_ema> there is a easy way for open an activity on lateral slide?
Jan 17 15:34:19 <nerd_ema> for example at click on 1 button, the actual activity slideout at left and the new activity slidein from right
Jan 17 15:36:04 <brx_> ViewPager ftw
Jan 17 15:38:41 <timroes> nerd_ema: if that are two different activities you most surly want to use animations http://stackoverflow.com/a/5145226/1044403, if that are some things you would also have in tabs or are at the same hierachical depth of navigation you want to use ViewPager
Jan 17 15:40:01 <nerd_ema> tnx timroes
Jan 17 15:40:14 <nerd_ema> now read something about the animations
Jan 17 15:40:28 <nerd_ema> but i have one big problem :D xD
Jan 17 15:40:49 <nerd_ema> on eclipse :S i don't know where i can read the errors ahaha
Jan 17 15:42:48 <brx_> nerd_ema, myb the windows menu at the top?
Jan 17 15:43:32 <nerd_ema> brx_: eclipse tell :
Jan 17 15:44:19 <brx_> is there not a little rex icon on the left hand site? on my eclipse this open up the error console...if you want to see the logcat then you can go to windows->show view->logcat
Jan 17 15:44:21 <nerd_ema> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/immaginehzy.png/
Jan 17 15:44:26 <brx_> rex = red
Jan 17 15:44:28 <nerd_ema> i have this error
Jan 17 15:44:30 <nerd_ema> but what is?
Jan 17 15:47:05 <brx_> close that tab and try running the code again, myb you step'd into the app rather than running
Jan 17 15:47:23 <WhereIsMySpoon> if i wanted to use an Imagebutton, where are the images for this usually put, and do i specify the filepath to the image in contentDescription like: android:contentDescription="/path/to/image" ?
Jan 17 15:47:41 <brx_> Im not actually sure about that I never get that error since I learned a bit about how to use eclipse, but I would get that when I first started ^^
Jan 17 15:48:18 <brx_> to run the app click on the green arrow at the top or ctrl + f11
Jan 17 15:48:44 <xgear> nerd_ema: i see pending windows update tray, apply windows update and everything will be ok ;)
Jan 17 15:49:02 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: in res/drawable
Jan 17 15:49:10 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: the contentDescrition is optional
Jan 17 15:49:17 <nerd_ema> xgear: no :S this window will show when i restart one activity
Jan 17 15:49:27 <nerd_ema> the process freeze
Jan 17 15:49:36 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: er, is contentDescription not to specify what image you want to use/
Jan 17 15:49:36 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: you need this afaik for handicaped people - so android can do text2speak
Jan 17 15:49:48 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: no it's android:source
Jan 17 15:49:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh, oops
Jan 17 15:50:26 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: ="@drawable/my_image_name" no .png extension
Jan 17 15:50:45 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: aha, thank you very much. so not res/drawable
Jan 17 15:53:40 <brx_> nerd_ema, any luck?
Jan 17 15:54:32 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: drawable-hdpi, drawable-ldpi, drawable-mdpi, drawable-xhdpi - which folder
Jan 17 15:54:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> or any of them
Jan 17 15:55:09 <brx_> you should use 3 separate sizes WhereIsMySpoon
Jan 17 15:55:19 <brx_> to support multiple screen sizes
Jan 17 15:55:34 <brx_> 4*
Jan 17 15:56:12 <brx_> for testing I just put the same image in each folder or create a folder called 'drawable' and put it in there
Jan 17 15:56:22 <brx_> but im a noob
Jan 17 15:59:03 <WhereIsMySpoon> res/layout/activity_main.xml:19: error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'source' in package 'android'
Jan 17 15:59:14 <WhereIsMySpoon> offending line: android:source="@drawable/mypic"/>
Jan 17 15:59:42 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh wait nvm, android doesnt like dashes
Jan 17 16:04:41 <WhereIsMySpoon> ok im getting it again, error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'source' in package 'android' its just a red x by my <ImageButton line, but theres no red squigglies underneath any of my xml
Jan 17 16:04:58 <brx_> where did you put the image resource? which folder?
Jan 17 16:05:07 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: all of them, with different sizes
Jan 17 16:05:22 <brx_> try "@+drawable/mypic"
Jan 17 16:05:38 <WhereIsMySpoon> nope
Jan 17 16:06:00 <WhereIsMySpoon> as in it dosent work
Jan 17 16:07:25 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: if i remove the android:source line the red x is still complaining about the source attribute :S
Jan 17 16:07:59 <brx_> s/source/src
Jan 17 16:08:22 <brx_> android:src="@drawable/mypic"
Jan 17 16:09:02 <Smashcat> Hmm, using that Foreground dispatch, Android still asks which app to use when an NFC card is scanned. Think I'll have to just have 1 NFC app per phone so it just launches the same one each time.
Jan 17 16:09:23 <Smashcat> (got 3 phones here luckily ;-) )
Jan 17 16:10:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: still the red X, with error error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'source' in package 'android'
Jan 17 16:10:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> theres no red line underneath any code
Jan 17 16:10:18 <WhereIsMySpoon> just this X
Jan 17 16:10:23 <WhereIsMySpoon> by teh line numbers
Jan 17 16:15:18 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, try 'android:src=' instead of  'android:source=', then do project->clean and try running again, if that doesnt work then i dunno
Jan 17 16:15:23 <WhereIsMySpoon> wtf
Jan 17 16:15:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> i just moved the button tag around in the xml and now its fine
Jan 17 16:15:32 <WhereIsMySpoon> <_>
Jan 17 16:15:36 <WhereIsMySpoon> stupid eclipse
Jan 17 16:19:24 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: if you're not using NDK, there is no reason to stay in Eclipse you know
Jan 17 16:19:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: yea but im new to android dev and i like the stuff it does for you, also im used to it
Jan 17 16:20:37 <belgianguy> okay, once the training wheels can come off, give IntelliJ a look, it does wonders for one's mental sanity
Jan 17 16:22:00 <WhereIsMySpoon> mmh, perhaps
Jan 17 16:22:20 <WhereIsMySpoon> how do i create an imagebutton that is small, like for a notification button
Jan 17 16:22:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> ive tried using scaletype but none of the options do what i want
Jan 17 16:24:28 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh nvm, got it <_>
Jan 17 16:27:26 <Elderwolf> I was able to fix my webview zoom issue by setting setBuiltInZoomControls(true).  However my second problem is that a page starts zoomed in and will not zoom out on Android 4.0 (2.2 will zoom out, but starts zoomed in).  THis is regardless of setting Default Zoom
Jan 17 16:33:03 <Elderwolf> Will I just need to create my own zoom controls?
Jan 17 16:35:24 <Smashcat> Anyone know if there's a way to disable the launcher that gets called when an NFC tag is swiped? The "Forground dispatch" stuff that was linked isn't really what I need. I want to prevent Android from launching a new copy of an app when a tag is swiped.
Jan 17 16:35:25 <canadiancow> belgianguy, ive tried both eclipse and intellij, and i still use eclipse
Jan 17 16:35:26 <canadiancow> :P
Jan 17 16:35:43 <belgianguy> canadiancow: well I'm about to lose my mind
Jan 17 16:36:01 * novie avoids this ide discussion. 
Jan 17 16:36:09 <HDroid> VIM!
Jan 17 16:36:17 <belgianguy> class Test has a constructor Test::Test(), it can't fin type Test :(
Jan 17 16:36:39 <HDroid> You can't what?
Jan 17 16:36:39 <belgianguy> it compiles fine and runs like it should, but helpful Eclipse has no idea what it means/is/
Jan 17 16:36:52 <HDroid> Oh find
Jan 17 16:37:01 <belgianguy> find*
Jan 17 16:37:47 <HDroid> I assume you're compiling and running outside Eclipse then?
Jan 17 16:38:19 <HDroid> Sounds to me Eclipse and your other environment disagree about something (Java level, classpath even, could be anything).
Jan 17 16:38:41 <HDroid> Might need a manual refresh too if you've been editing outside Eclipse.
Jan 17 16:38:45 <belgianguy> HDroid: it's NDK
Jan 17 16:39:05 <belgianguy> I've not been editing outside Eclipse, and yesterday this program ran without errors :(
Jan 17 16:39:24 <belgianguy> and now everything is an error if I have to believe Eclipse
Jan 17 16:41:35 <HDroid> Oh.. no NDK experience here, I'm afraid :/
Jan 17 16:41:56 <Smashcat> Ah good, Eclipse has chosen now to start running really slowly ;-)
Jan 17 16:42:26 <HDroid> Yeah it's the BulletTime plugin, making your programming skills faster than realtime.
Jan 17 16:42:58 <Smashcat> It's added lots of nice "R cannot be resolved to a variable" all over the place. Just love that stuff!
Jan 17 16:43:34 <brx_> why do loads of people have a distaste for eclipse, I cant see it getting much simpler or am I wrong?
Jan 17 16:43:41 <HDroid> That's pretty much Android's build system you're mad at, though, not necessarily Eclipse.
Jan 17 16:43:53 <HDroid> brx_: dunno, I think it's fine for the most part.
Jan 17 16:44:12 <brx_> what would be the benefits of moving to intelliJ (if any)
Jan 17 16:44:27 <Smashcat> It's fine when I'm using it for C/C++, but with Android there's always bugs/problems it seems
Jan 17 16:44:28 <HDroid> Points for being hip :P
Jan 17 16:44:59 <brx_> ahh i see, i gotta get down with the kids!
Jan 17 16:45:33 <HDroid> Smashcat: Google invented a fairly complex system to hook all sorts of stuff into Java that aren't normally hooked in, it can certainly use improvement but gotta give 'em credit for trying so hard :P
Jan 17 16:46:42 <Smashcat> HDroid: Yeah, it's just irritating when the totally random errors start occuring. I usually have to reinstall eclipse when it gets like this. That's why I keep several versions of Eclipse for different languages. The Android one is the one that tends to f-up
Jan 17 16:46:55 <HDroid> A lot of stuff (particularly XML) could have been runtime errors, but they're compile and build time errors instead, which is very nice.
Jan 17 16:47:26 <HDroid> Smashcat: yeah, plain Java is mostly ok on Eclipse. A lot faster too. But plain java is just that.. plain java, Android is a lot more complicated.
Jan 17 16:48:10 <Zharf> hardly, just different framework
Jan 17 16:48:29 <belgianguy> here it just seems Eclipse can't resolve the $NDK/usr/include dir for one, and from there on spirals into an error-a-palooza
Jan 17 16:48:35 <belgianguy> where everything is wrong
Jan 17 16:48:36 <HDroid> Zharf: except Java isn't a framework. Compare it to Spring or something and it might become a valid point.
Jan 17 16:49:08 <Smashcat> HDroid: I think the problems are Android plugin somehow messing up the config files for eclipse. It starts to become really slow to do anything - and this is a very fast PC here (ex gaming rig with 4ghz i7, 24GB RAM, SSD RAID) - taking 20 seconds to "rebuild the project" after every save
Jan 17 16:49:30 <belgianguy> I'm contemplating restoring my external backup, stupid Eclipse/ADT
Jan 17 16:49:45 <Chainfire> Smashcat if you're running on Windows, make sure to update to the latest ADT
Jan 17 16:50:13 <Zharf> HDroid, it's a framework in a way, but true it's not... but you can really think most things as frameworks really... and like with most frameworks you need to learn how to use them separate from the language
Jan 17 16:50:29 <Smashcat> Chainfire: Noooo! I don't change things when they're working if I can help it. Updating the ADT usually means also updating Java, updating eclipse etc.
Jan 17 16:50:57 <Chainfire> Smashcat> I've gone through many ADT versions and that has never been the case for me
Jan 17 16:51:01 <novie> when does updating ADT mean you update Java?
Jan 17 16:51:04 <HDroid> Zharf: point is just, "normal" java isn't trying to keep track of a few dozen different external resources and references.
Jan 17 16:51:10 <marrrk> Does anybody know of a library that can display half decent looking charts on android?
Jan 17 16:51:13 <WhereIsMySpoon> i cant get this frigging imagebutton to be the same weighting as my buttons, the imagebutton just takes up as much space as possible :S
Jan 17 16:51:18 <Chainfire> Smashcat> but what is the case is that in the lastest ADT are massive speed improvements for certain cases
Jan 17 16:51:32 <Smashcat> Chainfire: Well, does here. I just tend to reinstall the Eclipse/Android version, then it works alright again for a whle
Jan 17 16:51:38 <WhereIsMySpoon> they all have the same weighting, and all have wrap_content as the height
Jan 17 16:51:42 <belgianguy> FAAPT can help a lot on Windows
Jan 17 16:51:48 <HDroid> If Android apps just executed public static void main(String[] args){} and ran from there, this entire build system wouldn't be needed.
Jan 17 16:51:58 <novie> lol
Jan 17 16:52:04 <belgianguy> but I do regret switching to Juno and everything that did to my project :(
Jan 17 16:52:05 <Chainfire> Smashcat> suit yourself. The latest ADT is much faster, but if you don't want to run and rather complain about how slow Eclipse it, knock yourself out.
Jan 17 16:52:06 <HDroid> Of course, say goodbye to XML everything in that case, or at least compile time checking.
Jan 17 16:52:49 <Smashcat> Chainfire: It's not /always/ slow. But when it starts to run excrutiatingly slowly like now, I know it's time to reinstall it.
Jan 17 16:53:10 <belgianguy> and I'm not complaining about Eclipse's speed, but about its unwillingness to detect headers and types that are clearly there
Jan 17 16:53:25 <HDroid> Progressive slowdowns aren't normal, there's always a cause (though sometimes complicated to find).
Jan 17 16:53:38 <brx_> Smashcat, are you running the emulator at the same time? that can bog my system right down (especially on this crappy laptop)
Jan 17 16:54:05 <marrrk> Smashcat: use intellij
Jan 17 16:54:09 <belgianguy> I'm using the ndk-build toolchain, and in the Console view ndk-build reports that everything is fine
Jan 17 16:54:11 <Smashcat> HDroid: I've traced it to corrupt startup config before - Eclipse somehow screws up the save, then there's loads of errors being logged in the background, so it runs like crap
Jan 17 16:54:36 <belgianguy> but when I click the Problems tab, I have 514 errors, of which each member of my class in my cpp file
Jan 17 16:54:41 <Smashcat> brx_: No, I never use the emulators - too slow. Always debug on hardware
Jan 17 16:55:00 <vuln> How do I create a space between two textedits?
Jan 17 16:55:11 <HDroid> Smashcat: hm it hasn't done that for me (knock on wood)
Jan 17 16:55:16 <belgianguy> and it says it cannot find the references, for which I place the blame squarely at Eclipse
Jan 17 16:55:23 <belgianguy> and it's terrible Indexer
Jan 17 16:55:32 <belgianguy> its*
Jan 17 16:55:33 <HDroid> vuln: margin, padding, or a filler view, depending on what you want to achieve.
Jan 17 16:55:35 <k0nichiwa> if you get an AssetFileDescriptor from an asset manager using openFD is it necessary to call close  on it ?
Jan 17 16:55:37 <monsti> vuln: layout_marginLeft="10dp" on the first textedit
Jan 17 16:55:54 <monsti> sry 2nd ;)
Jan 17 16:56:05 <vuln> Thank you guys :)
Jan 17 16:56:11 <Smashcat> HDroid: Yeah, I put in a bug report ages ago, and the error log. It's pretty obvious when it happens- the error log gets huge really quickly. Reinstall, and clear all the user data, then it's alright again. Meh
Jan 17 16:56:21 <Chainfire> k0nichiwa necessary? who knows. Good idea? certainly
Jan 17 16:56:25 <HDroid> :/
Jan 17 16:56:31 <HDroid> I'm on a fairly old eclipse, though.
Jan 17 16:56:38 <HDroid> I've learned not to be an early adopter.
Jan 17 16:56:38 <marrrk> I've read that android can't display SVG is there some kind of support library to support this?
Jan 17 16:56:55 <novie> marrrk: https://github.com/mrn/svg-android
Jan 17 16:56:56 <k0nichiwa> its from the ndk every method i call i have to do a getmethodid etc etc
Jan 17 16:57:02 <k0nichiwa> but probably its a good idea
Jan 17 16:57:17 <Smashcat> HDroid: Think mine is fairly recent - 4.2
Jan 17 16:57:17 <novie> marrrk: be sure to set the view layer type to software.
Jan 17 16:57:26 <k0nichiwa> im getting a failure and it mayb e be cuz im opening a lot, i delete them but i dont close them
Jan 17 16:57:30 <WhereIsMySpoon> how do i get the title of an app to scale with the size of hte screen? I have a long titel for my app and it gets cut off with a small screen
Jan 17 16:57:34 <marrrk> do you think it is reasonable to show charts with some kind of web view that are in javascript? or should i use one of the ugly libraries instead?
Jan 17 16:57:35 <WhereIsMySpoon> title*
Jan 17 16:57:50 <HDroid> 3.7.2 :)
Jan 17 16:57:53 <Chainfire> k0nichiwa if you open a resource, you close it. anything else is bad design
Jan 17 16:58:14 <Smashcat> HDroid: heh
Jan 17 16:59:25 <Smashcat> HDroid: I always make sure everything is 32bit as well, even though it's a 64bit system. Never had any luck trying to make Android sdk work with eclipse and 64bit java
Jan 17 16:59:43 <Chainfire> I know it's a drag from NDK, but its one of those "if you follow this rule your life will be better"
Jan 17 16:59:46 <Chainfire> things
Jan 17 17:00:13 <HDroid> Not even sure what I'm running, bitwise.
Jan 17 17:01:37 <Smashcat> Got to download the API demos again - saved by mistake when Eclipse was helpfully adding the {package}.R all over the place :)
Jan 17 17:02:17 <WhereIsMySpoon> how do i get the title of an app to scale with the size of the screen? I have a long title for my app and it gets cut off with a small screen =/
Jan 17 17:03:38 <belgianguy> it surely is the indexer, if I prevent it from running, (8000 + files) another smaller one will run right after it, with only the local files of the project, and those will resolve those errors
Jan 17 17:03:43 <belgianguy> how weird
Jan 17 17:14:02 <Smashcat> Ah! So there's nothing wrong with my code. Google's NFC ForegroundDispatch demo doesn't work either on this phone. Google Nexus running 4.1.1 - NFC tag swipe always causes the app picker to appear.
Jan 17 17:15:33 <Smashcat> So the default action cannot be blocked it seems. Kind of sucks, but at least it wasn't me screwing up - hehe
Jan 17 17:32:02 <Brian|CS> Any idea why my new android project doesn't have an R file?
Jan 17 17:32:14 <timroes> Brian|CS: because you haven't compiled it yet?
Jan 17 17:32:46 <Brian|CS> timroes: I don't think thats possible?
Jan 17 17:32:55 <Brian|CS> I just created a new basic android project in eclipse
Jan 17 17:33:00 <Brian|CS> which should have an R.java by default
Jan 17 17:33:04 <timroes> should it?
Jan 17 17:33:09 <Brian|CS> which the autogenerated code references
Jan 17 17:33:12 <Brian|CS> but it doesnt exist
Jan 17 17:33:32 <timroes> i don't know how it works in eclipse, but netbeans doesnt generate the r.java by default
Jan 17 17:33:41 <timroes> you need to compile your project
Jan 17 17:33:59 <timroes> for it to be generated, and I would assume eclipse also generates it on compile, and not when you create the project
Jan 17 17:34:12 <Brian|CS> In eclipse the R.java is made in the creation of the project
Jan 17 17:35:39 <stevel> ctate: totally bummed i missed out on the moma dinner
Jan 17 17:36:04 <Smashcat> Brian|CS: The R file is in the /gen folder once you've compiled once at least I think
Jan 17 17:36:38 <timroes> Brian|CS: you are right eclipse generates it on project generation, but whats the problem with just compile your prohject, so a new R.java gets generated?
Jan 17 17:36:56 <WhereIsMySpoon> Manifest attribute 'minSdkVersion' is set to '2.1'. Integer is expected. er?
Jan 17 17:37:03 <WhereIsMySpoon> i have android:minSdkVersion="2.1"
Jan 17 17:37:11 <Brian|CS> timroes: There isn't exactly a "compile" button in Eclipse
Jan 17 17:37:13 <Brian|CS> its build
Jan 17 17:37:14 <Brian|CS> and it fails
Jan 17 17:37:16 <Brian|CS> due to a missing R file
Jan 17 17:37:20 <timroes> WhereIsMySpoon: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html#ApiLevels
Jan 17 17:37:31 <timroes> i would try 7 :)
Jan 17 17:37:56 <belgianguy> Brian|CS: it's a feature of Eclipse, throwing away current project and trying again usually "solves" it
Jan 17 17:37:57 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh
Jan 17 17:37:59 <WhereIsMySpoon> <___>
Jan 17 17:38:06 <WhereIsMySpoon> of course theyre a different number, why not
Jan 17 17:38:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> T_T
Jan 17 17:38:27 <timroes> okay then something is broken tehre Brian|CS, because actually it anyway gets generated on compile time, so yeah eclipse ...
Jan 17 17:38:35 <Sicp> what about encryption?
Jan 17 17:38:47 <timroes> WhereIsMySpoon: because its an increasingly integer number and not some string :)
Jan 17 17:38:48 <Sicp> for production apps; is Jasypt an advised solution?
Jan 17 17:38:49 <canadiancow> WhereIsMySpoon, for the same reason that versionName != versionCode
Jan 17 17:39:09 <Brian|CS> belgianguy: I've done that like 5 times
Jan 17 17:39:12 <Brian|CS> Fucking eclipse man
Jan 17 17:39:42 <belgianguy> did you select Android as environment?
Jan 17 17:39:48 <belgianguy> and not Java or something?
Jan 17 17:39:59 <belgianguy> I *loathe* Eclipse today
Jan 17 17:40:09 <Sicp> what do you use, belge?
Jan 17 17:40:22 <belgianguy> IntelliJ when possible
Jan 17 17:40:33 <kralor> guys anyone knows if there's a libglib port for android?
Jan 17 17:40:44 <belgianguy> but atm I'm doing NDK, so I'm confined to Eclipse if I want some IDE
Jan 17 17:40:57 <Sicp> http://gitorious.org/android/libglib
Jan 17 17:40:59 <Sicp> kralor,
Jan 17 17:41:42 <Sicp> you should've googled that
Jan 17 17:41:54 <Smashcat> Submitted bug report about ForegroundDispatch with 4.1.1 . Hope they can sort it out fairly soon.
Jan 17 17:42:45 <belgianguy> what sensors do I need to check if I want to respond to tilting of the phone?
Jan 17 17:42:49 <belgianguy> accelerometer
Jan 17 17:42:51 <belgianguy> and?
Jan 17 17:43:26 <Smashcat> That's it
Jan 17 17:44:01 <belgianguy> I believe there's another sensor, either to adjust the accelerometer or using the accelerometer to adjust the other one
Jan 17 17:44:30 <Smashcat> pretty sure i've just used the accelerometer in the past
Jan 17 17:44:59 <Smashcat> (actually accelerometers I guess, as it's 3 axis)
Jan 17 17:45:12 <belgianguy> gyroscope IIRC
Jan 17 17:45:29 <anelrh26> Hi All! I'm working with pro guard in android, but when I build the app in release mode, my build failed, the errors that I have it's related with a method that I don't use it anymore. Help?
Jan 17 17:46:50 <Smashcat> don't think all that many devices have gyros. They're not necessary if you just want the angles
Jan 17 17:47:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> <___> why is eclipse not generating my R file anymore
Jan 17 17:47:56 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, i bet you have an error in an xml file (after seeing your previous problem earlier)
Jan 17 17:48:05 <k0nichiwa> Chainfire, indeed u do have to close the AssetFileDescriptor
Jan 17 17:48:19 <brx_> you gotta track down those xml bugs yourself for the most part
Jan 17 17:48:22 <k0nichiwa> kind of non-intuitive because you get it via an openfd method call
Jan 17 17:48:28 <WhereIsMySpoon> ah yea :p oops
Jan 17 17:48:32 <belgianguy> k0nichiwa: AAssetManager_close()?
Jan 17 17:48:33 <k0nichiwa> so i had the impression that it would close itself
Jan 17 17:48:46 <belgianguy> in C++, if you open it, you oughta close it
Jan 17 17:48:48 <k0nichiwa> belgianguy, im running on 2.2 so i dont have that thingy
Jan 17 17:49:01 <k0nichiwa> i have to make jni calls to the java asset manager to get an assetfiledescriptor
Jan 17 17:49:15 <k0nichiwa> i mmap the apk and use the file descriptor to get a offset and length
Jan 17 17:49:34 <belgianguy> really? I pass the AssetManager through a JNI call
Jan 17 17:49:48 <belgianguy> did that come later?
Jan 17 17:49:48 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, try and solve more problems yourself you will learn much more by persevering/google'ing/reading docs :D
Jan 17 17:49:50 <eni23> hello. i had the idea to run an usb-serial converter via an usb-otg-cable. if i plugin there not is no device under /dev/ttyUSB0 as i except under "normal" linux. so seems that there is no usbserial-module. is it much work to compile it for android? (i builded modules for arm64 and x86 but no idea how to do it for android)
Jan 17 17:49:51 <k0nichiwa> belgianguy, i dont have AAssetManager
Jan 17 17:50:07 <k0nichiwa> thats a native asset manager for the ndk, that requires 2.3 or above
Jan 17 17:50:25 <k0nichiwa> unless you want to hack into the private apis
Jan 17 17:50:29 <Smashcat> Hmm, onNewIntent() doesn't seem to ever get called either with the demo apps. Google really need to check/update their demos I think
Jan 17 17:50:30 <belgianguy> ah, I see
Jan 17 17:50:36 <vuln> I'm programming to add a new textview to my layout at runtime. How do I add a top margin?
Jan 17 17:50:58 <belgianguy> k0nichiwa: still, when you open something, always clean up :)
Jan 17 17:51:17 <k0nichiwa> yeah it crashed after awhile, ran out of fd i guess
Jan 17 17:51:19 <belgianguy> that's about a rule of thumb in any language that requires its own memory management
Jan 17 17:51:47 <belgianguy> also, one doesn't just load and use a BMP in c++ it seems
Jan 17 17:52:18 <oGMo> memory management is only correct, it doesn't mean you don't have to be conscious of memory and resource usage :P
Jan 17 17:52:29 <k0nichiwa> if the asset manager didn't think i had to open it myself, why would i think i have to close it
Jan 17 17:53:38 <belgianguy> also, casts are important when calculating u,v coordinates, lost some hours on that yesterday
Jan 17 17:53:47 <belgianguy> my sphere kept looking like Pac Man :(
Jan 17 17:53:57 <belgianguy> with a big missing
Jan 17 17:54:02 <belgianguy> part*
Jan 17 17:54:09 <anelrh26> Hi All! I'm working with pro guard in android, but when I build the app in release mode, my build failed, the errors that I have it's related with a method that I don't use it anymore. Help?
Jan 17 18:08:22 <belgianguy> I'm curious as what to expect from the Android vendors at MWC
Jan 17 18:08:37 <belgianguy> CES had Project Shield, but not too much else
Jan 17 18:09:07 <belgianguy> Samsung is set to introduce an 8' tablet (Note family) IIRC
Jan 17 18:10:11 <vuln> I have my .xml layout and at run time I add a TextView, but it doesnt show up. What could be wrong?
Jan 17 18:12:16 <ctate> belgianguy: i hope you mean an 8" tablet, not an 8' tablet
Jan 17 18:12:25 <ctate> because an 8' tablet is called Diamondtron
Jan 17 18:12:44 <tnzr> haha
Jan 17 18:12:51 <ctate> and tends to show up in e.g. basketball arenas
Jan 17 18:13:37 <vuln> found it out
Jan 17 18:13:38 <vuln> =x
Jan 17 18:19:03 <Elderwolf> Ok, apparently in Android 4.0 you need to specific useWideViewPort to be able to zoom all the way out.  But I can't find a way still to start a page all the way zoomed out without just calling webview.zoomOut() a bunch.  Any ideas?
Jan 17 18:20:04 <EGamerHDK> Elderwolf: I'm pretty sure I did that in one of my apps. Let me take a look in eclipse really quick.
Jan 17 18:21:44 <Elderwolf> EGamerHDK: thanks, i apprecaite it
Jan 17 18:22:33 <EGamerHDK> Elderwolf: Again, I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I was about to leave for work and quickly opened up the irc. From my knowledge this starts zoomed out. Sorry if it's not what you needed. http://pastebin.com/LLAgNqwF
Jan 17 18:22:39 <vuln> Let's say I created a TextView in my .xml layout file. What if I want at run time change the text of it?
Jan 17 18:22:45 <vuln> (I have the ID)
Jan 17 18:23:07 <Elderwolf> EGamerHDK: this is the first time someone acknowledged me asking a quesiton, so i'm estatic
Jan 17 18:23:39 <Elderwolf> didn't try overview with the wide, i'll try it out
Jan 17 18:24:39 <Elderwolf> EGamerHDK: it does, you have made me very happy.  Thanks
Jan 17 18:30:07 <lov> vuln: call setText on the textview?
Jan 17 18:30:28 <lov> ((TextView)findViewById(R.id.mytext)).setText("Something else");
Jan 17 18:39:26 <belgianguy> ctate: correct, I'm Metric Eurothrash :p
Jan 17 18:39:47 <belgianguy> but what drawable folder would I need for 8' ? :p
Jan 17 18:40:07 <ctate> belgianguy:   the Galaxy Note 200, then?  (in millimeters!)
Jan 17 18:42:18 <belgianguy> ctate: yeah, I assume that'd be close to it
Jan 17 18:42:45 <ctate> google 8 inches in mm
Jan 17 18:42:47 <ctate> *pow*
Jan 17 18:42:48 <belgianguy> I usually let Google do those conversions
Jan 17 18:42:51 <belgianguy> :D
Jan 17 18:43:20 <belgianguy> really, as if I don't want to waste the brain space on something I can ask Google :p
Jan 17 18:43:26 <belgianguy> a dangerous precedent
Jan 17 18:43:46 <belgianguy> one day there's no Google, and no inches to mm conversion D:
Jan 17 18:45:38 <belgianguy> but that makes Google fit into the "flow" of things pretty neatly, too
Jan 17 18:46:49 <belgianguy> and Now will only empower that "just when you need it" kind of assistance
Jan 17 18:51:18 <ctate> belgianguy: 2.54 cm per inch *pow*
Jan 17 18:51:43 <ctate> translation to furlongs left as an exercise for the reader
Jan 17 18:52:23 <EGamerHDK> Elderwolf: You're very welcome. The more people that just sit here, the more of a chance you'll get a response. And I'm glad I was finally able to help someone. heh.
Jan 17 18:53:14 <belgianguy> 0.000126262626 furlongs
Jan 17 18:53:20 <belgianguy> I cheated though
Jan 17 18:53:49 <ctate> hee
Jan 17 18:59:15 <Linkandzelda> hello, I have a Java app and am wondering how I would go about making it into an Android app? it would be the first time doing it
Jan 17 19:00:14 <lov> You probably don't.
Jan 17 19:00:19 <lov> Android doesn't have the same UI at all
Jan 17 19:00:35 <lov> You can port over core services and such but you've got entirely new models and lifecycles to worry about
Jan 17 19:00:47 <mikedg> import swing*;
Jan 17 19:01:11 <Linkandzelda> hmm, I have a single class for the main core functionality of the app, and a separate one for my GUI
Jan 17 19:01:16 <lov> Linkandzelda: take a look at http://developer.android.com/training/index.html before you go any further.
Jan 17 19:01:26 <Linkandzelda> I'm aware i'd need a new UI for it to control
Jan 17 19:01:35 <Linkandzelda> ok lov, will take a look at that
Jan 17 19:01:35 <lov> Well, depending on what your class does, you might need more than just a new UI.
Jan 17 19:01:41 <lov> Does your app have some sort of long-running service?
Jan 17 19:01:56 <Linkandzelda> lov, its a standalone app, pretty simple stuff
Jan 17 19:02:00 <lov> If so, you'll probably want to put it into a Service class
Jan 17 19:02:06 <lov> what does it do?
Jan 17 19:02:26 <Linkandzelda> you enter an english word and a non-english word
Jan 17 19:02:31 <Linkandzelda> it then stores them in a .txt file
Jan 17 19:02:42 <ctate> hovercraft Luftboot
Jan 17 19:02:42 <Linkandzelda> and you can test yourself in either english or non-english
Jan 17 19:02:50 <lov> ah.
Jan 17 19:02:58 <lov> Yeah, that's probably reasonable with just a new face
Jan 17 19:03:02 <lov> and some different storage concepts
Jan 17 19:03:02 <lov> etc
Jan 17 19:03:04 <ctate> eel Aal
Jan 17 19:03:05 <Linkandzelda> goes through randomly picking out a word and counting correct and incorrect
Jan 17 19:03:13 <Linkandzelda> yea, my thoughts too
Jan 17 19:03:24 <Linkandzelda> right now it simply makes the .txt relative to the executable
Jan 17 19:03:30 <Linkandzelda> not sure how sotrage works in Java though
Jan 17 19:03:30 <ctate> encephalitis Hirnhautsentsündung
Jan 17 19:03:34 <Linkandzelda> i mean, Android*
Jan 17 19:03:38 <lov> it's different.
Jan 17 19:03:44 <lov> There's app private storage, and then there's external storage
Jan 17 19:03:45 <ctate> simple stuff like that
Jan 17 19:03:52 <lov> You'll probably want to use app private storage.
Jan 17 19:03:56 <belgianguy> ctate: you German?
Jan 17 19:04:16 <ctate> *Hirnhautentzündung
Jan 17 19:04:19 <Linkandzelda> private storage I guess thats cool
Jan 17 19:04:27 <ctate> belgianguy:  i studied it somewhat extensively at one point
Jan 17 19:04:30 <lov> Linkandzelda: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/index.html
Jan 17 19:04:32 <belgianguy> but that doesn't seem too advanced, sure it won't be easier to replicate the functionality in Android?
Jan 17 19:04:39 <ctate> but haven't really used it in 15 or 20 years, so i've forgotten most of it
Jan 17 19:04:41 <Linkandzelda> and does the functions which are used to create and edit files, are they the same?
Jan 17 19:04:50 <belgianguy> ah ctate, that explains it, I can't speak it, but I understand it :)
Jan 17 19:05:13 <ctate> always remember useful phrases like "Ich bin nicht der Salat" and "Ich habe Sauerkraut in meinen Lederhosen"
Jan 17 19:05:21 <Linkandzelda> ooooo cloud syncing
Jan 17 19:05:29 <belgianguy> ctate: those are the important ones :D
Jan 17 19:06:30 <belgianguy> Deine Hund Pinkelt An Sessel
Jan 17 19:06:45 <ctate> Es schneit Kartoffeln in meinen Badezimmer
Jan 17 19:08:16 <belgianguy> Linkandzelda: you could store the stuff in SQLite, I don't know how the current app did it
Jan 17 19:09:06 <Linkandzelda> belgianguy: interesting, and I guess its an option yea
Jan 17 19:09:21 <Linkandzelda> will play around and see, since I'm still not used to Android development yet
Jan 17 19:09:26 <lov> Linkandzelda: a flat file is probably simplest, unless you need to do anything relational with your data.
Jan 17 19:09:54 <Linkandzelda> right now its simply String1|String2 on lines, read into an arraylist at startup
Jan 17 19:10:28 <belgianguy> Linkandzelda: yeah, the app lifecycle, is really important  :)
Jan 17 19:10:49 <belgianguy> spend enough time on that, so Force Closes don't haunt you halfway your project :)
Jan 17 19:11:18 <Linkandzelda> belgianguy: sounds like a serious thing
Jan 17 19:11:20 <ctate> so weird that people call them "force closes"
Jan 17 19:11:44 <ctate> instead of continuing to use the standard term "crashes"
Jan 17 19:12:14 <belgianguy> ctate: when I first got here, "FC" was being used, and I didn't know what it meant :(
Jan 17 19:12:18 <novie> ctate: I think it is a visual thing.
Jan 17 19:12:31 <belgianguy> I think it's a Star Wars reference
Jan 17 19:12:33 <novie> the dialog terminology carried over. it is weird.
Jan 17 19:13:01 <belgianguy> novie: that sounds plausible
Jan 17 19:13:25 <Linkandzelda> well thanks guys, going to get looking into stuff now :)
Jan 17 19:13:29 <novie> although, I think it has changed now. I don't even read it anymore so I couldn't tell you what it said.
Jan 17 19:16:46 <belgianguy> tbh, crash is better and probably closer to what people expect
Jan 17 19:18:41 <novie> belgianguy: I would agree.
Jan 17 19:21:36 <lov> ctate: it's better than "Sorry popup" which is what Samsung used
Jan 17 19:25:33 <JesusFreke> ctate: well, the dialog does have a single button, with the text "force close"
Jan 17 19:26:19 <JesusFreke> oh, I guess that's what novie was alluding to
Jan 17 19:27:08 <novie> JesusFreke: :)
Jan 17 19:28:11 <ctate> ha ha augh
Jan 17 19:28:11 <ctate> belgianguy:  i'm assuming it is because "crash" is seen as a relatively horrifying word to use with non-developers
Jan 17 19:28:43 <ctate> JesusFreke:  what, we're supposed to let the user say "Okay"?
Jan 17 19:28:55 <ctate> "oh man, your app Okayed again"
Jan 17 19:29:05 <JesusFreke> ctate: wfm
Jan 17 19:29:20 <belgianguy> maybe a solid color screen should show ;)
Jan 17 19:30:02 <canadiancow> yeah i dont like when people say "the app force closed"
Jan 17 19:30:04 <JesusFreke> verdant screen of death
Jan 17 19:30:21 <ctate> a more mauvey shade of pinky-russet
Jan 17 19:31:33 <belgianguy> Maybe a shade of grey depending on the severity of the crash?
Jan 17 19:32:26 <belgianguy> or circles of hell, I was told there's a special one for people who don't check their array bounds
Jan 17 19:35:33 <JesusFreke> belgianguy: what do you do? check it and manually throw an IndexOutOfBounds exception? :)
Jan 17 19:36:43 <belgianguy> I'm quite punctual nowadays
Jan 17 19:37:12 <belgianguy> in the old days I used to write c++ all day, and add the delete/destructors later
Jan 17 19:37:26 <belgianguy> and then I always wondered why it would crash
Jan 17 19:37:52 <morrowyn> @belgianguy reference counter pointers ;-)
Jan 17 19:38:05 <belgianguy> morrowyn: yeah, the ones boost uses :)
Jan 17 19:38:31 <belgianguy> I learned my lesson though, as soon as I "new" something, I provide a delete
Jan 17 19:38:53 <belgianguy> a very simple, nearly obvious rule that can cost you a lot of time :p
Jan 17 19:38:54 <morrowyn> std::shared_ptr  in c++11
Jan 17 19:39:10 <belgianguy> oh, they have it in the standard now?
Jan 17 19:39:38 <morrowyn> it depends , suppose you use a factory pattern, who takes ownership of that pointer?
Jan 17 19:39:39 <belgianguy> I never followed c++'s growth in that manner :) but good to know that
Jan 17 19:39:52 <morrowyn> yeah 75% of boost, was adopted in c++11
Jan 17 19:40:05 <StingRay_> leading question here, if you dynamically create views, do they each need a unique id if your going to set values or alter state ?
Jan 17 19:40:22 <morrowyn> figures, because wthey guys who created boost are also on the c++ committee pulling strings
Jan 17 19:40:24 <StingRay_> e.g. editText, sliders etc
Jan 17 19:40:36 <morrowyn> wthey/the
Jan 17 19:40:45 <belgianguy> morrowyn: oh, didn't know that either, but perhaps that's a good thing
Jan 17 19:40:55 <morrowyn> :)
Jan 17 19:41:50 <morrowyn> @stingray, yes, but only for the view tha is currently loaded
Jan 17 19:43:06 <plaisthos> is therean equvalent of ViewPager that does not live in the compat lib?
Jan 17 19:43:14 <StingRay_> morrowyn i must have read the docs wrong then, sure it said that in a view hierarchy they dont need to be, unless at the same level
Jan 17 19:44:20 <morrowyn> if you don't how would you differ between two views having the same id when both views are loaded?
Jan 17 19:46:03 <StingRay_> from the docs "View IDs need not be unique throughout the tree, but it is good practice to ensure that they are at least unique within the part of the tree you are searching."
Jan 17 19:46:09 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html
Jan 17 19:46:21 <StingRay_> but I now know that not to be the case
Jan 17 19:46:23 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 19:47:38 <Iulian_> Hello! I am trying to develop an android app (IntentService) that receives SMS notification from a BroadcastReceiver and then tries to get the current location. I am getting the location with a LocationListener, but function onLocationChanged never gets called. Ive registered my LocationListener to LocationManager using 0 time and 0 distance ( also, I have registered to GPS provider). Is there any way that I am not getting the current location because
Jan 17 19:47:38 <Iulian_>  I am running in a service?. Btw sorry for my english and also, I am new to android.
Jan 17 19:49:18 <Iulian_> Also tested in Emulator and real android device. GetLastKnownLocation returns null, also. Any chance someone here can help?
Jan 17 19:55:39 <belgianguy> gps and emulator don't go that well IIRC
Jan 17 19:55:54 <belgianguy> you can spoof a location
Jan 17 19:56:35 <brx_> did you add locations permissions to manifest?
Jan 17 20:00:14 * Falcon4ever pokes romainguy
Jan 17 20:00:47 <Iulian_> Yes, I have added permissions. :P
Jan 17 20:01:32 <Iulian_> if using the DDMS you can actually send the next location that GPS_PROVIDER will dispatch, but that does not seem to work.
Jan 17 20:03:38 <Iulian_> I do not see the Log.d on start on function onLocationChanged. This is all rather strange to me, because I have read many forum threads have almost the same implementation as I do, and they do not have this problem. The only problem would be that I am  listening for location in a IntentService, I am wandering is this is ok.
Jan 17 20:05:44 <pencilvania> i have a question in viewpager and fragment can anyone help me ???
Jan 17 20:05:49 <pencilvania> i have a question in viewpager and fragment can anyone help me ???
Jan 17 20:07:51 <morrowyn> did you requestLocationUpdates to start getting location updates?
Jan 17 20:09:10 <Iulian_> yes, I did.
Jan 17 20:09:17 <lov> pastebin your code please.
Jan 17 20:09:20 <Iulian_> My IntentService implements LocationListener.
Jan 17 20:09:33 <lov> Oh, you're using the emulator
Jan 17 20:09:39 <lov> good luck.
Jan 17 20:09:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> i'm getting "install_failed_uid_changed" every time i try to launch my application from eclipse onto my nexus 7 (not an emulator) - ive tried to clean and rebuild several times and nothing is working =/
Jan 17 20:09:51 <lov> Iulian_: test with a device, emulator is an utter PITA.
Jan 17 20:10:10 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: adb uninstall the old build?
Jan 17 20:10:11 <Iulian_> I also ran on a real device, as I marked earliear. Same behaviour. :P
Jan 17 20:10:34 <lov> Can you please pastebin your code?
Jan 17 20:10:41 <Iulian_> sure I can. :D
Jan 17 20:10:43 <Iulian_> just a sec.
Jan 17 20:11:34 <WhereIsMySpoon> lov: if it said [2013-01-17 20:06:31 - Erebus] Uploading Erebus.apk onto device '015d21d913401c17' then Erebus is the name of the thing i need to unuinstall right?
Jan 17 20:11:40 <lov> no
Jan 17 20:11:43 <lov> your packagename
Jan 17 20:11:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> ah ok
Jan 17 20:12:15 <WhereIsMySpoon> nope, adb uninstall com.me.erebus doesnt work
Jan 17 20:12:22 <Chilley> is there any way to save save a bundle in onPause and somehow recover it in onResume? I tried to putExtra for the getIntent() in onPause and then in onResume i used getIntent().getExtras() but is it even the same intent that i refer to in theese two methods?
Jan 17 20:12:51 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: pastebin your error please
Jan 17 20:13:01 <Iulian_> http://pastebin.com/jW7xakj4 <- here is my IntentService code. This is where I am registering my LocationListener.
Jan 17 20:13:05 <lov> Chilley: *cough*
Jan 17 20:13:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> adb uninstall com.me.erebus
Jan 17 20:13:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> Failure
Jan 17 20:13:21 <WhereIsMySpoon> that's all the terminal gives
Jan 17 20:13:33 <Iulian_> rather nice feedback. Lol. :P
Jan 17 20:13:34 <lov> Chilley: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onSaveInstanceState(android.os.Bundle)
Jan 17 20:13:46 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: ok, and can you please pastebin what happens when you try to install?
Jan 17 20:14:14 <lov> Chilley: you might want to re-read the docs for the activity lifecycle :P
Jan 17 20:14:51 <Chilley> lov: i don't use onSaveInstance becuase it doesnt get called when i want to it to
Jan 17 20:15:04 <Chilley> that can only be used for saving state when you rotate screen
Jan 17 20:15:09 <lov> ....
Jan 17 20:15:12 <lov> no
Jan 17 20:15:15 <lov> no it is not.
Jan 17 20:15:15 <WhereIsMySpoon> lov: http://pastie.org/5710964
Jan 17 20:16:22 <Chilley> lov: well i'm closing and restarting the activity and i only get onPause and onResume calls
Jan 17 20:16:25 <pencilvania> my view pager only show page one that load from xml from url
Jan 17 20:16:45 <pencilvania> and not show page 2 that load from xml 2
Jan 17 20:16:47 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: hmm. Seen http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12338242/eclipse-installation-error-install-failed-uid-changed yet?
Jan 17 20:16:55 <lov> Are you looking at dalvikvm logcat output when you try installing?
Jan 17 20:17:00 <pencilvania> why ? how can i update view ?
Jan 17 20:17:07 <lov> Chilley: when you say "closing and restarting" are you calling finish?
Jan 17 20:17:36 <lov> if so then OK it wouldn't be called, but in that case you'd need to basically handle serialization/deserialization yourself
Jan 17 20:17:43 <pencilvania> my problem is in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14301595/what-can-update-this-viewpager
Jan 17 20:17:49 * Jonathan_Eyre breaks out the popcorn. This conversation between lov and Chilley can only end in awesome.
Jan 17 20:17:52 <pencilvania> can any one help me ??????????????
Jan 17 20:18:03 <lov> basically because android can't make any assumptions about when your app will be recreated, and thus the content can't just live in-memory
Jan 17 20:18:05 <SimonVT> Chilley: If the intent you have in onResume contains the data you saved in onPause, then either your activity was not destroyed (making it pointless), or onSaveInstanceState would also have been called
Jan 17 20:18:39 <lov> pencilvania: not with that attitude, no. (No, I don't know what to suggest, sorry)
Jan 17 20:19:34 <Iulian_> lov? sorry for asking this. But do you want to take a look at the code? :)
Jan 17 20:19:45 <mikedg> lov should be a eveloper advocate for google
Jan 17 20:19:58 <Falcon4ever> :)
Jan 17 20:20:00 <Falcon4ever> he should
Jan 17 20:20:01 <lov> Iulian_: yes, did you post it?
Jan 17 20:20:05 <lov> Chilley: anyway, look at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#SavingPersistentState
Jan 17 20:20:08 <Chilley> well i'm starting activity A from activity B by using clear_top flag, this is from pressing the home button, so i believe activity B gets destryoed. Sharedpreferences would work but i cant save parcelables with that, or can i?
Jan 17 20:20:09 <Jonathan_Eyre> pencilvania: You used about 13 question marks more than is necessary.
Jan 17 20:20:10 <Iulian_> yep. let me re-paste the link, Lov.
Jan 17 20:20:37 <Iulian_> lov http://pastebin.com/jW7xakj4
Jan 17 20:20:49 <lov> Iulian_: thanks.
Jan 17 20:20:57 <Iulian_> lov: No, thank you.
Jan 17 20:21:02 <lov> Iulian_: as an aside, you really shouldn't forget to call lm.removeLocationUpdates(this) in onDestroy
Jan 17 20:21:10 <WhereIsMySpoon> lov: E/installd(  129): dexopt failed on '/data/dalvik-cache/data@app@com.james.erebus-1.apk@classes.dex' res = 65280 this important?
Jan 17 20:21:22 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: look at the rest of it :P
Jan 17 20:21:44 <Iulian_> true story, that. :) Been meaning to do it, but as this problem arose, I concentrated on it. :P
Jan 17 20:22:34 <lov> Iulian_: I also wouldn't make this content static.
Jan 17 20:22:50 <lov> make your lm and your gotLocation variables member variables, not static
Jan 17 20:22:53 <lov> anyway
Jan 17 20:23:11 <lov> are you getting a frequent stream of onStatusChanged calls?
Jan 17 20:23:11 <WhereIsMySpoon> lov: W/ActivityManager(  475): No content provider found for permission revoke: file:///data/local/tmp/Erebus.apk
Jan 17 20:23:22 <lov> WhereIsMySpoon: why don't you just pastebin everything relevant?
Jan 17 20:23:41 <lov> Iulian_: Also, do you see the icon in your status bar that the GPS is running?
Jan 17 20:24:19 <Iulian_> lov: no, that I do not see. no icon in the status bar showing the GPS is running.
Jan 17 20:24:38 <lov> Iulian_: You've requested the LOCATION_FINE permission?
Jan 17 20:24:55 <lov> Also, the PASSIVE_PROVIDER is not a mock provider.
Jan 17 20:25:13 <Iulian_> lov: I have understand that it LOCATION_FINE is GPS permission.
Jan 17 20:26:06 <lov> Iulian_: basically, yes
Jan 17 20:26:12 <lov> you are requesting it in your manifest?
Jan 17 20:26:26 <Iulian_> lov: http://pastebin.com/kU6nR4bg yes. this is my manifest.
Jan 17 20:26:56 <Iulian_> lov: PASSIVE_PROVIDER is there just because anything else was not working.
Jan 17 20:27:30 <lov> hmm.
Jan 17 20:27:51 <Iulian_> lov: Even a network location would do, but I don't get that either.
Jan 17 20:27:55 <lov> Right.
Jan 17 20:28:06 <lov> Do me a favor, just run a maps app and double check that the GPS turns on.
Jan 17 20:28:12 <Iulian_> lov: okey.
Jan 17 20:28:13 <lov> Aside from that, I'm not sure what the problem might be
Jan 17 20:28:27 <lov> Even though you're using an IntentService that's going to finish pretty quickly, you should at least get something.
Jan 17 20:28:48 <Iulian_> lov: yes, GPS notification is starting to blink.
Jan 17 20:28:53 <lov> hmm.
Jan 17 20:29:23 <Iulian_> lov: I actually did a stupid while to wait, just to see if my IntentService finished too early.
Jan 17 20:29:36 <lov> yeah, I saw that, but I just kind of ignored it.
Jan 17 20:29:55 <lov> Actually
Jan 17 20:29:58 <lov> that's the only thing I can really think of
Jan 17 20:30:08 <lov> it's possible that you're blocking the LocationManager, but that really seems unlikely
Jan 17 20:30:17 <lov> so, try taking that while loop out
Jan 17 20:30:37 <lov> Sorry, don't know what's going wrong here, everything looks fine.
Jan 17 20:30:39 <Iulian_> lov: I'm quite concerned that it's because of IntentService. Maybe, for security reasons you can't activate GPS from Service-like Apps. Is this possible?
Jan 17 20:30:46 <lov> no, absolutely not.
Jan 17 20:31:03 <lov> go pick up https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=as.volmari.gps.notification
Jan 17 20:31:40 <SimonVT> "go buy my app"
Jan 17 20:31:49 <SimonVT> subtle
Jan 17 20:31:57 <lov> glad you picked up on that
Jan 17 20:31:59 <Iulian_> lov: while loop was added after I saw anything else did not work.
Jan 17 20:32:00 <Jonathan_Eyre> haha, yeah. I'm certain this is the last resort for lov.
Jan 17 20:32:11 * lov rolls his eyes
Jan 17 20:32:13 <lov> point is
Jan 17 20:32:15 <SimonVT> :D
Jan 17 20:32:18 <StingRay_> lov  Iulian_  :  no idea if this is it, but if you implement LocationListener you still need to attach it to LocationManager ?
Jan 17 20:32:20 <valgrind> is there any API to validate an email sending a code?
Jan 17 20:32:34 <lov> StingRay_: he's doing that in his onCreate with requestLocationUpdates
Jan 17 20:32:36 <StingRay_> oh he does
Jan 17 20:32:38 <StingRay_> yeah
Jan 17 20:32:42 <StingRay_> just seen it
Jan 17 20:33:03 * lov shrugs
Jan 17 20:33:04 <StingRay_> never used time/distance 0/0 that ok ?
Jan 17 20:33:11 <lov> yeah
Jan 17 20:33:13 <lov> they're just hints
Jan 17 20:33:21 <lov> really values of < 60 or something are ignored
Jan 17 20:33:58 <StingRay_> what about if he swaps to NETWORK_PROVIDER just to see ?
Jan 17 20:34:30 <Iulian_> StingRay_: I also tried that, but it's worth another try, I'm really out of options.
Jan 17 20:35:19 <Iulian_> lov, StingRay_ : I'm using android 2.3.3 (emulator) - 2.3.4 ( device ). Is there a chance that these versions do not support this?
Jan 17 20:35:36 <Iulian_> I've been reading that they do, but.. who knows? it's worth to ask, at least.
Jan 17 20:36:06 <lov> Device should be fine
Jan 17 20:36:26 <lov> honestly, I'd say try creating an activity that requests location updates just as a test app
Jan 17 20:36:30 <lov> and go from there
Jan 17 20:36:53 <lov> Try going through http://developer.android.com/training/basics/location/index.html to familiarize yourself
Jan 17 20:37:00 <Iulian_> lov: a good point, this is the only thing left that I did not try from my suspicions.
Jan 17 20:37:49 <Iulian_> lov: I was honestly trying a IntentService because it requires no user interraction. It is a stupid school project, making a Spying app. I'm so mad at my teacher right now.
Jan 17 20:37:54 <lov> haha
Jan 17 20:37:55 <lov> well
Jan 17 20:38:07 <lov> To be fair, I have no idea what you're doing wrong and I have a lot of LBS experience
Jan 17 20:38:13 <lov> so don't feel bad
Jan 17 20:38:26 <lov> you aren't doing anything obviously wrong
Jan 17 20:38:47 <Iulian_> lov: it's okey. It's my first android attempt. I can accept this.
Jan 17 20:39:29 <Iulian_> lov StingRay_ : Thanks a lot, guys, for taking a look at my problems!
Jan 17 20:39:36 <lov> no problem.
Jan 17 20:39:43 <Iulian_> Bye, people! :D Happy coding.
Jan 17 20:42:10 <pencilvania> him
Jan 17 20:42:48 <belgianguy> lov: were you learning JS/CSS in the past? :p
Jan 17 20:43:06 <belgianguy> like here: http://volmari.as/link_alternate/
Jan 17 20:44:08 <valgrind> so anyone knows if there's an API to validate email through code?
Jan 17 20:44:09 <lov> belgianguy: a long time ago yes
Jan 17 20:44:17 <lov> belgianguy: back in another life where I was an AJAX developer
Jan 17 20:44:32 <belgianguy> lov: ouch, I hope not .NET Ajax?
Jan 17 20:44:37 <SimonVT> What does "validate email" mean? Check if it contains a @ ?
Jan 17 20:44:44 <lov> belgianguy: no
Jan 17 20:44:49 <lov> valgrind: woe unto you.
Jan 17 20:44:53 <belgianguy> lov: I've lived that horror
Jan 17 20:45:03 <belgianguy> UpdatePanel hell
Jan 17 20:45:29 <belgianguy> what's it called InputWatcher or TextWatcher?
Jan 17 20:46:13 <belgianguy> TextWatcher, if that is what valgrind is after
Jan 17 20:46:18 <lov> I have no idea because I've never done .NET ajax
Jan 17 20:46:39 <belgianguy> lov: keep it that way, hacked together and bolted on pos
Jan 17 20:47:18 <belgianguy> valgrind: so?
Jan 17 20:47:34 <Elderwolf> Why can't I get getSupportFragmentManager from an Activity and what's a good way to get the support fragment manager?
Jan 17 20:47:37 <valgrind> Actually I want the user to input an email o that hes sent an email and he must use the code thaat was sent to him
Jan 17 20:47:50 <valgrind> I would like to ee if theres some kind of api to do that... :)
Jan 17 20:48:27 <SimonVT> Because getSupportFragmentManager is a method in FragmentActivity.. A good way to get it is to extend FragmentActivity and call getSupportFragmentManager
Jan 17 20:48:43 <belgianguy> valgrind: I'm afraid not
Jan 17 20:48:53 <belgianguy> but not too hard to build yourself IMO
Jan 17 20:49:00 <belgianguy> perhaps the SSL might be hard
Jan 17 20:49:13 <belgianguy> but the db/serverside should be pretty straightforward
Jan 17 20:49:28 <Elderwolf> SimonVT: thanks, i hit myself in forehead for you
Jan 17 20:49:37 <lov> valgrind: you mean enter the code into your app?
Jan 17 20:49:44 <lov> valgrind: you can always email the user some uri that your app handles
Jan 17 20:49:57 <lov> then the user can just click the uri, which points to your app, that does some work
Jan 17 20:50:17 <belgianguy> lov: ah, didn't know that, is there a pattern to those Uris?
Jan 17 20:50:30 <valgrind> yea i might just do that
Jan 17 20:50:35 <belgianguy> eg package name with some sort of action appended?
Jan 17 20:51:31 <lov> belgianguy: no, there isn't. You need to make it up.
Jan 17 20:51:36 <valgrind> i might as well ask the user to use google credentials and thats is, so that google does the dirty job
Jan 17 20:51:56 <lov> belgianguy: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/data-element.html
Jan 17 20:56:49 <belgianguy> valgrind: is there an API for that?
Jan 17 20:56:56 <Chainfire> thx for another great release JakeWharton
Jan 17 20:57:11 <belgianguy> ooh ooh, new ABS?
Jan 17 20:57:12 <JakeWharton> two more big ones coming. this is just the appetizer!
Jan 17 20:57:22 <Chainfire> is one of them steak related ?
Jan 17 20:57:53 <JakeWharton> one is called Spoon which gets its name from The Matrix which is steak related... so yes?
Jan 17 20:57:57 <Chainfire> with all the things you do... don't you actually have to produce some normal work at square? ;)
Jan 17 20:58:02 <ctate> belgianguy:  did you not read http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/01/verifying-back-end-calls-from-android.html ?
Jan 17 20:58:23 <ctate> The Matrix is steak-related?
Jan 17 20:58:33 <Chainfire> Spoons are steak-related
Jan 17 20:58:38 <Chainfire> the best steaks can be eaten with spoons
Jan 17 20:58:51 <ctate> s/steak/ribs/ and i may agree
Jan 17 21:00:05 <valgrind> belgianguy: Im checking http://developer.android.com/reference/android/accounts/AccountManager.html
Jan 17 21:00:10 <JakeWharton> ctate: Cypher was eating steak when he met with Agent Smith. And at the end of the credits the password to the website was 'steak'
Jan 17 21:00:27 <ctate> oh, i didnt' realize that re the credits
Jan 17 21:00:59 <JakeWharton> Chainfire: we occasionally do real work. Eventually we'll work up to building a library that just writes entire apps for you
Jan 17 21:01:11 <lov> 15:58:32 <@ctate> belgianguy:  did you not read
Jan 17 21:01:11 <lov> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/01/verifying-back-end-calls-from-android.html ?
Jan 17 21:01:15 <lov> oh my, this is new.
Jan 17 21:01:19 <valgrind> If that can be used to have the user login to gmail, then I can assume its (g)mail is ...correct
Jan 17 21:01:37 <ctate> "new" as in "a week and a half old"
Jan 17 21:01:40 <belgianguy> ctate: I didn't know that existed
Jan 17 21:01:47 <belgianguy> thanks :)
Jan 17 21:01:53 <ctate> surely everyone subscribes to the Android Developer Blog rss feed
Jan 17 21:01:56 <ctate> ;)
Jan 17 21:02:28 <Bon-chan> Guys, im getting this error when i try to run a emulator, Failed to start emulator: Cannot run program "/Location/Development/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64/sdk//tools/emulator": error=2, No such file or directory
Jan 17 21:02:30 <JakeWharton> the only non-comic RSS feed i subscribe to anymore
Jan 17 21:02:31 <ctate> in terms of API, it came in with the Google Play Services API introduction, which was a.. a month or three ago?
Jan 17 21:02:40 <Bon-chan> what can i do?
Jan 17 21:02:53 <JakeWharton> Bon-chan: does that path exist? is there an 'emulator' binary in that folder?
Jan 17 21:02:57 <novie> Bon-chan: sounds like you need some 32 bit libs.
Jan 17 21:03:27 <belgianguy> smart, give a token to an app
Jan 17 21:04:40 <belgianguy> you have won a subscriber :p
Jan 17 21:06:22 <icehunter> Hey everybody, can you please help me with one dumb question? It is really easy. How I get a view to change it's background color while it is being hold, and switch it back then it is released.
Jan 17 21:06:31 <icehunter> ?
Jan 17 21:06:45 <valgrind> bon.chan do you have ia32-libs installed?
Jan 17 21:07:01 <matt9> bon-chan is there supposed to be two slashes after sdk?
Jan 17 21:07:53 <dragorn> matt9: that own't matter.  It's almost definitely a failure to install 32bit compat libs on a 64 system
Jan 17 21:07:54 <Bon-chan> matt9: thats what i'm thinking..and i dont have no idea why there is 2 slashes
Jan 17 21:08:04 <novie> Bon-chan: what distro are you running>
Jan 17 21:08:10 <Bon-chan> mint 14
Jan 17 21:08:38 <Bon-chan> by the way, i'm totally new to android development
Jan 17 21:08:44 <novie> install the ia32-libs package.
Jan 17 21:09:04 <valgrind> Bon-chan, check if you have the ia32-libs lib installed...
Jan 17 21:09:18 <Linkandzelda> how long does it take to startup the android sdk emulator?
Jan 17 21:09:39 <novie> Linkandzelda: depends on your machine.
Jan 17 21:09:58 <novie> Linkandzelda: I've noticed it encounters an error where adb doesn't end up recognizing it, might also be your case.
Jan 17 21:10:06 <Linkandzelda> hmm
Jan 17 21:10:18 <icehunter> so nobody? :<
Jan 17 21:10:18 <Linkandzelda> been sitting here on the "android" logo for 3 mins
Jan 17 21:10:20 <novie> Linkandzelda: it can take a minute or two sometimes.
Jan 17 21:10:24 <novie> hm
Jan 17 21:10:27 <Bon-chan> valgrind: no ia32-libs around
Jan 17 21:10:39 <valgrind> Bon-chan then install it, that should fix your prob
Jan 17 21:10:48 <Bon-chan> i'll try it now and report back!
Jan 17 21:11:00 <valgrind> Linka dont you have any android device around to use to debug your app? Should be much faster
Jan 17 21:11:20 <Linkandzelda> the other thing is, it goes blue after minimising and resuming lol
Jan 17 21:11:38 <Linkandzelda> I have a device yes, but I like to build without testing it every time on there
Jan 17 21:12:02 <pencilvania> i have a problem in view pager can any help me ?
Jan 17 21:13:06 <novie> pencilvania: again, just ask your question.
Jan 17 21:13:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> lov: http://pastie.org/5711534
Jan 17 21:14:27 <Linkandzelda> finally, I get the time in the top right corner... after 7 mins
Jan 17 21:14:31 <valgrind> Link, Im not sure about it, but chances are it must initialize the OS so that it takes some time, at least the very first time
Jan 17 21:14:39 <valgrind> someone else might confirm this or correct it
Jan 17 21:15:27 <Linkandzelda> performance is reallllly slow
Jan 17 21:15:27 <belgianguy> icehunter: setBackgroundcolor, don't forget the alpha, and the touch events you can catch
Jan 17 21:15:42 <belgianguy> Linkandzelda: what OS are you on?
Jan 17 21:15:54 <Linkandzelda> actual OS or the emulator OS?
Jan 17 21:15:59 <belgianguy> ...
Jan 17 21:16:02 <Linkandzelda> lol
Jan 17 21:16:02 <belgianguy> actual OS :)
Jan 17 21:16:08 <Linkandzelda> mac os x 10.8.2
Jan 17 21:16:15 <Linkandzelda> i5 2.5ghz
Jan 17 21:16:20 <icehunter> belgianguy, I understand, but I have no idea, how to reset it after the touch.
Jan 17 21:16:23 <Linkandzelda> 16gb ram
Jan 17 21:17:22 <belgianguy> icehunter: when touch down -> save current color into member
Jan 17 21:17:29 <belgianguy> and then set it to DifferentColor
Jan 17 21:17:45 <belgianguy> on touch up, set back color you stored?
Jan 17 21:17:48 <valgrind> Well Linka, I can tell you I was having the same problem... long waitings...
Jan 17 21:18:11 <valgrind> but of course my Vaio is 4 years old, you have a much better machine
Jan 17 21:18:37 <belgianguy> Linkandzelda: I'm on Ubuntu, and can use qemu/kvm optimalisation for my emulator
Jan 17 21:18:47 <belgianguy> I don't know if that exists for OS X, too
Jan 17 21:19:14 <icehunter> belgianguy, can you please break it down for me? I cant think well ><. I have a onTouchListner, which sets new color to the background...
Jan 17 21:20:05 <Linkandzelda> will have to either put up with this or restart my comp, or just always use the device
Jan 17 21:20:11 <pencilvania> i have problem in viewpager can any help me ?
Jan 17 21:20:45 <belgianguy> Linkandzelda: I'd say look around for virtualisation options that use a VM
Jan 17 21:20:59 <belgianguy> the speed is great, and matches the real deal quite well
Jan 17 21:21:04 <belgianguy> icehunter: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html
Jan 17 21:21:11 <Linkandzelda> what kind of virtulisation options?
Jan 17 21:21:18 <pencilvania> i have problem in viewpager can any help me ?
Jan 17 21:21:31 <belgianguy> ACTION_UP = finger contact released, ACTION_DOWN = finger just contacted the screen
Jan 17 21:21:41 <belgianguy> in a switch statement
Jan 17 21:22:00 <belgianguy> and each case then has the setBackgroundColor( ... )
Jan 17 21:22:03 <kralor> Sicp: thanks for the url but I already have it, the thing is it doesn't do anything when I do the ndk-build
Jan 17 21:23:02 <SimonVT> belgianguy: Tell him about state lists, what you're telling him now is horrible ;d
Jan 17 21:23:05 <kralor> kralor@xxx:~/ndk/build/libglib$ ndk-build NDK_PROJECT_PATH=. APP_BUILD_SCRIPT=./Android.mk
Jan 17 21:23:08 <kralor> kralor@xxx:~/ndk/build/libglib$
Jan 17 21:23:23 <icehunter> belgianguy: Thank you very much!
Jan 17 21:23:27 <kralor> I checked the Android.mk files and I don't see why it doesn't start compiling
Jan 17 21:23:55 <valgrind> Another thing I would like to ask... is there any Android/Java API to cartoonize a picture?
Jan 17 21:24:33 <Bon-chan> valgrind: its working! thanks!
Jan 17 21:24:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> anyone able to help me with install_failed_uid_changed and install_failed_dexopt problems?
Jan 17 21:24:49 <valgrind> Bon-chan do not thank me, i checked stackoverflow... :)
Jan 17 21:24:57 <WhereIsMySpoon> i tried deleting the /data/data/com.me.erebus folder
Jan 17 21:25:00 <Bon-chan> :))
Jan 17 21:25:02 <WhereIsMySpoon> and clean/rebuild
Jan 17 21:25:05 <WhereIsMySpoon> and adb uninstall
Jan 17 21:25:15 <valgrind> nevertheless, if you probably try checking the error message on google you should usually find a solution in the very first result
Jan 17 21:25:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> i either get one error or the other
Jan 17 21:25:21 <belgianguy> SimonVT: he's just getting started, he just wants to see what does what I think, horrible is in the eye of the beholder
Jan 17 21:25:36 <belgianguy> I didn't know what statelists were until quite some down the line
Jan 17 21:25:50 <valgrind> Eye of the Beholder.. that would be a good porting to Android!
Jan 17 21:26:46 <belgianguy> icehunter: you might want to check out this, too: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3953606/android-trouble-with-color-state-list-resources-how-to-specify-a-background-co
Jan 17 21:26:54 <pencilvania> i have a viewpager that have 2 page load from 2 link in internet my viewpager load page one but page 2 is not show , 2link is corect
Jan 17 21:27:10 <belgianguy> it's another way, depending on your needs you should see and select what fits your case best
Jan 17 21:27:24 <belgianguy> to paraphrase SimonVT, the first method is also horrible :p
Jan 17 21:27:40 <Elderwolf> I'm adding a linear layout with a progressbar into a webview, to make a waiting box.  I want it to appear in the center of the webview but it only appears in the upper left corner. Any idea how to center it in a webview?  When added to a framelayout it centers
Jan 17 21:28:08 <kralor> Sicp: do you know why it doesn't start compiling? or should I tell you "you should have tried to compile before pointing someone to a fork that doesn't work" ? :)
Jan 17 21:28:19 <Elderwolf> And hopefully to center it so that it doesn't scroll with the webpage, which it appears to be doing now.
Jan 17 21:28:22 <icehunter> belgianguy: yup, I am getting started... Thank you very much. From what I see, you must be a professional... Can you please give me idea and docs how to do two more things?
Jan 17 21:29:31 <g00s> awesome, an official port of the 80s game Lode Runner to android
Jan 17 21:29:42 <belgianguy> Lode Runner
Jan 17 21:29:49 <belgianguy> that sounds familiar
Jan 17 21:30:05 <belgianguy> was that available on very old Mac OS'es?
Jan 17 21:30:26 <g00s> not sure...
Jan 17 21:30:53 <g00s> if this isn't retro ;) http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/01/17/get-your-8-bit-fix-on-lode-runner-classic-is-now-out-for-android/
Jan 17 21:31:55 <icehunter> I mean, i do not need ready-made answers - it's no fun :). First thing is: I have two tabs, which are made via pager and fragments.. And I need to somehow show totally different information on the second tab every time I click one of the itemes on the first tab. Luckily, there are just three itemes. Hope it was not to messy of explanation. Thank you in advance.
Jan 17 21:32:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> anyone able to help me with install_failed_uid_changed and install_failed_dexopt problems? Ive tried deleting the /data/data/com.me.erebus folder, adb uninstall, clean/rebuild multiple times, nothing is working
Jan 17 21:33:03 <jigal> does anyone know if it is possible to create only a bottom border of a TableRow ?
Jan 17 21:34:03 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon  emulator or device ?
Jan 17 21:34:06 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: device
Jan 17 21:34:15 <StingRay_> rooted or not rooted ?
Jan 17 21:34:20 <WhereIsMySpoon> rooted
Jan 17 21:34:35 <belgianguy> icehunter: you should look into Intents, which can start new activities
Jan 17 21:34:44 <StingRay_> does /data/data/youcrap still exist ?
Jan 17 21:34:56 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: as i said, ive tried deleting that multiple times
Jan 17 21:35:13 <icehunter> belgianguy: even for fragments?
Jan 17 21:35:18 <belgianguy> but I've been drowning in C++ for the past few days that my Android is a bit rusty
Jan 17 21:35:32 <pencilvania> [[534928449881863]][[534928446548530]][[534928453215196]][[534928439881864]][[534928443215197]]
Jan 17 21:35:33 <pencilvania> [[534928563215185]][[534928566548518]][[534928573215184]][[534928569881851]][[534928559881852]]
Jan 17 21:35:33 <pencilvania> [[534928686548506]][[534928693215172]][[534928683215173]][[534928689881839]][[534928679881840]]
Jan 17 21:35:33 <pencilvania> [[534928806548494]][[534928796548495]][[534928803215161]][[534928799881828]][[534928809881827]]
Jan 17 21:35:33 <pencilvania> [[534928903215151]][[534928913215150]][[534928909881817]][[534928906548484]][[534928899881818]]
Jan 17 21:35:36 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon have you changed anything relating to the package ?
Jan 17 21:35:46 <Jonathan_Eyre> Is there a way to detect WPA_SUPPLICANT_VERSION from the WPA drivers?
Jan 17 21:36:11 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: ive done coding over the course of today O.o thenj I remove /data/data/crap, clean, rebuild
Jan 17 21:36:38 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon if your app is installed and you do settings > apps > clear data ..... are there any errors in logcat ?
Jan 17 21:36:43 <Jonathan_Eyre> Is there a way to pull the drivers details out of /system/lib/libwpa_client.so?
Jan 17 21:36:45 <belgianguy> pencilvania: pastebin :p
Jan 17 21:37:09 <belgianguy> icehunter: AFAIK intents only work to start Activities
Jan 17 21:37:28 <belgianguy> but SimonVT (and others) might perhaps correct me on this
Jan 17 21:38:01 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: i cant GET it installed :p
Jan 17 21:38:55 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon oh yeah,  I'm tired, so tis not listed in app management on the device ? also have you confirmed that the appDir is gone too ?
Jan 17 21:39:05 <Jonathan_Eyre> Is there any way to tell if I have the correct wifi driver version for my Realtek chip?
Jan 17 21:39:22 <Jonathan_Eyre> It is not immediately obvious how to read that out.
Jan 17 21:39:45 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: no it isnt in settings -> apps. I just said that ive deleted the data/data/com.me.myapp folder
Jan 17 21:39:46 <belgianguy> Jonathan_Eyre: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5933057/how-to-extract-c-source-code-from-so-file
Jan 17 21:39:50 <icehunter> belgianguy: ok, I will figure this out somehow.. The second problem is worse for me: I need to fetch data from the server and update every item on the GridList on that first tab every three seconds. And my problem is: I have no idea how to update existing items on the grid.. and fetch the server as parallel process..
Jan 17 21:39:51 <belgianguy> seems to be pretty hard
Jan 17 21:40:50 <belgianguy> icehunter: look into Adapter classes for your grid, look into what serverside code you'll use (PHP/MySQL?) (or just an existing URL)
Jan 17 21:41:04 <belgianguy> if you write your own code, use JSON to transfer the data
Jan 17 21:41:22 <pencilvania> can any help me in this problem ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14301595/what-can-update-this-viewpager
Jan 17 21:41:30 <Jonathan_Eyre> belgianguy: Wow, really? Decompile is the only way? I was assuming that there was some sort of API or something so that these details could be read to a GUI.
Jan 17 21:41:55 <icehunter> I cannot modify the server, but it is the easiest part: it is just data in bits
Jan 17 21:42:07 <belgianguy> Jonathan_Eyre: I just Googled that, no idea whatsoever, maybe the CM guys have seen the insides of these things?
Jan 17 21:42:16 <xr> Hi, I am trying to build OI shoppinglist that I imported from https://github.com/openintents/shoppinglist I imported it with git, then into eclipse and I'm getting errors like : distributionlibrary cannot be resolved to a type. This is my first attempt at downloading a project other than the ones in the developer.android.com examples. I searched the web and I'm kinda stuck any ideas?
Jan 17 21:42:29 <icehunter> I have problems updating grid and doing it as a thread
Jan 17 21:42:31 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon I said the app data..../data/app/your.apk
Jan 17 21:42:40 <dAnjou> hi, i'm about to put some code on github. are there files or dirs that i should exclude?
Jan 17 21:43:03 <belgianguy> your grid should have an adapter, which is connected to some sort of storage (ArrayList or other) which contains your data
Jan 17 21:43:09 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: nothing  there
Jan 17 21:43:24 <StingRay_> as in your app isnt or nothing is ?
Jan 17 21:43:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: my app isnt
Jan 17 21:43:31 <belgianguy> I usually fetch in an ASyncTask and do a NotifyDatasetChanged in OnPostExecute
Jan 17 21:43:52 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon  you have a recovery like tw or cw ?
Jan 17 21:44:02 <dAnjou> github helped me with my issue :D
Jan 17 21:44:17 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: eh/
Jan 17 21:44:18 <WhereIsMySpoon> ?
Jan 17 21:44:28 <StingRay_> clockworkmod etc ?
Jan 17 21:44:47 <StingRay_> thats a no then
Jan 17 21:44:48 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon int /data/dalvik-cache any ref to your app ?
Jan 17 21:44:54 <icehunter> Fair enough... so I just bind the info to static Strings, as an example and the put data in them, then call NotifyDatasetChanged?
Jan 17 21:44:56 <StingRay_> int/any
Jan 17 21:45:01 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: i rooted it with clockwork
Jan 17 21:45:03 <StingRay_> oops
Jan 17 21:45:05 <StingRay_> int/in
Jan 17 21:45:33 <pencilvania> can any help me in this problem ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14301595/what-can-update-this-viewpager
Jan 17 21:45:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: nope
Jan 17 21:46:27 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon just to be safe, boot to cwm and do  wipe cache partition, wipe dalvik cache, permissions repair
Jan 17 21:46:33 <belgianguy> Jonathan_Eyre: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34732/how-do-i-list-the-symbols-in-a-so-file
Jan 17 21:46:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: how do i boot to cwm
Jan 17 21:46:52 <StingRay_> what device ?
Jan 17 21:46:56 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: nexus 7
Jan 17 21:47:04 <StingRay_> power off
Jan 17 21:47:09 <belgianguy> maybe that can shed some light on your issue, but I don't know too much about it, perhaps someone at #android-root, #cyanogenmod or #xda-devs knows?
Jan 17 21:47:25 <icehunter> belgianguy: Will this method refresh existing views on the list? Thank God if yes..
Jan 17 21:47:30 <StingRay_> then power on + volume up , until something happens, release power keep vol up
Jan 17 21:47:32 <StingRay_> i think
Jan 17 21:47:51 <StingRay_> hang on I will try
Jan 17 21:48:05 <StingRay_> oh no
Jan 17 21:48:14 <StingRay_> tis poweron + vol up + vol down
Jan 17 21:48:19 <StingRay_> then choose it from meny
Jan 17 21:48:21 <StingRay_> menu*
Jan 17 21:48:23 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 21:48:41 <StingRay_> huh, god bless asus
Jan 17 21:48:42 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 21:48:44 <belgianguy> icehunter: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3669325/notifydatasetchanged-example
Jan 17 21:49:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: restart bootloader, recovery mode, start, power off
Jan 17 21:49:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> recovery mode?
Jan 17 21:49:21 <StingRay_> yes
Jan 17 21:49:25 <StingRay_> that would be cwm
Jan 17 21:49:29 <StingRay_> if you have installed it
Jan 17 21:49:32 <WhereIsMySpoon> ye
Jan 17 21:49:53 <StingRay_> now  wipe cache partition
Jan 17 21:49:59 <WhereIsMySpoon> done
Jan 17 21:50:01 <WhereIsMySpoon> now what
Jan 17 21:50:03 <StingRay_> advanced > wipe dalvik cache
Jan 17 21:50:04 <WhereIsMySpoon> reboot?
Jan 17 21:50:09 <StingRay_> repair permissions
Jan 17 21:50:20 <StingRay_> or permissions repair...whatever it's called
Jan 17 21:50:23 <StingRay_> then reboot
Jan 17 21:50:26 <WhereIsMySpoon> yea got it
Jan 17 21:50:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> its doing
Jan 17 21:50:38 <StingRay_> then cross your fingers
Jan 17 21:50:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
Jan 17 21:50:47 <StingRay_> fire your apk at it again :)
Jan 17 21:50:52 <WhereIsMySpoon> now reboot/
Jan 17 21:51:14 <WhereIsMySpoon> kk
Jan 17 21:52:57 <p_l|phone> Jonathan_Eyre: actually, you should be able to pull driver data from /sys
Jan 17 21:56:22 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: install_failed_dexopt
Jan 17 21:56:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> :|
Jan 17 21:56:43 <StingRay_> hmm
Jan 17 21:56:47 <belgianguy> ooh, LightRead is a nice RSS reader :p
Jan 17 21:57:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: i made sure it was on a nice clean build, nothing was in data/data/crap
Jan 17 21:57:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> =/
Jan 17 21:57:21 <belgianguy> I needed one for my Android Developer subscription, and am not too fond of the webbased ones (I tend to get distracted there)
Jan 17 21:57:51 <belgianguy> blog*
Jan 17 21:59:36 <StingRay_> WhereIsMySpoon what happens if you do an install not using adb ?
Jan 17 21:59:43 <StingRay_> like network/url etc
Jan 17 21:59:47 <StingRay_> same thing?
Jan 17 22:00:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: er, what?
Jan 17 22:00:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> what you mean network/url
Jan 17 22:00:58 <StingRay_> errr if you get your apk from bin dir
Jan 17 22:01:04 <StingRay_> shove it in a network location
Jan 17 22:01:14 <StingRay_> server/nfs/smb/http
Jan 17 22:01:16 <StingRay_> whatever
Jan 17 22:01:25 <WhereIsMySpoon> ok i got one of those
Jan 17 22:01:31 <StingRay_> and get it onto your phone that way
Jan 17 22:01:37 <StingRay_> does the same thing happen
Jan 17 22:01:59 <StingRay_> should have added, google drive, dropbox, blaaa blaaa
Jan 17 22:02:01 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 22:02:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> StingRay_: you mean dl it onto my 7 and then install it?
Jan 17 22:02:47 <StingRay_> indeed yes
Jan 17 22:03:14 <WhereIsMySpoon> i see, will try
Jan 17 22:03:38 <StingRay_> well tis my bed time
Jan 17 22:03:44 <StingRay_> so will wish you luck
Jan 17 22:03:46 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 17 22:05:38 <kulhas> hi, I am new to android dev, I am making a very simple app, should I make a close button ?
Jan 17 22:06:54 <WhereIsMySpoon> Steffen`: doesnt work
Jan 17 22:06:59 <WhereIsMySpoon> oops crap
Jan 17 22:07:00 <WhereIsMySpoon> sorry
Jan 17 22:07:02 <p_l|phone> kulhas: no
Jan 17 22:07:03 <WhereIsMySpoon> i didnt see he disconned
Jan 17 22:07:15 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: you able to help?
Jan 17 22:09:14 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: where is the APK now?
Jan 17 22:09:21 <belgianguy> in your download dir?
Jan 17 22:09:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: on the nexus 7
Jan 17 22:09:43 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: i tried installing it from teh apk on the device, doesnt work
Jan 17 22:09:48 <WhereIsMySpoon> just says installation failed
Jan 17 22:09:50 <kulhas> p_l|phone, tx. I want to show a logo image when app start and fade it out, can I do this using the layout editor or should I do this in code. I am still confuse with the layouts...
Jan 17 22:10:02 <belgianguy> if you are 100% sure that it isn't malware and that it works with your device (hardware limits etc) you should be able to run it
Jan 17 22:10:18 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: ah, that sucks, and is there no other version available?
Jan 17 22:10:27 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: this is my own apk
Jan 17 22:10:58 <WhereIsMySpoon> strange thing is, i get different apk names when i build from eclipse and when i build from ant
Jan 17 22:11:01 <p_l|phone> kulhas: you should avoid splashscreens unless you have reasonably long startup
Jan 17 22:11:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> eclipse i just get a single Erebus.apk
Jan 17 22:11:13 <WhereIsMySpoon> ant i get a load of different apks
Jan 17 22:11:28 <belgianguy> ant can install them, too
Jan 17 22:11:37 <belgianguy> ant debug install yourname.apk iirc
Jan 17 22:11:56 <belgianguy> without the 'iirc' part, of course
Jan 17 22:12:51 <g00s> kulhas: listen to p_l|phone ; mobile usability studies  repeated what web usability found out 10 years ago - users detest spash screens
Jan 17 22:12:51 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: are you trying to simulate a "first use" case of someone who downloads your app?
Jan 17 22:13:04 <kulhas> p_l|phone, its just the logo, like SEGA ...
Jan 17 22:13:41 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: im just tryin to friggin get the app on my nexus 7
Jan 17 22:13:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: also, eclipse gives me this: http://pastie.org/5711920
Jan 17 22:13:57 <WhereIsMySpoon> which i didnt see before
Jan 17 22:14:04 <p_l|phone> kulhas: yes, and it adds unnecesary delay to your apo (and can be hard to get right, dye to how activities are managed)
Jan 17 22:14:39 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: ugh, ugly error that
Jan 17 22:14:46 <belgianguy> does ant do that too?
Jan 17 22:15:39 <belgianguy> when the Nexus is connected, can't you execute "ant debug install yourname.apk" (without the "")
Jan 17 22:16:02 <belgianguy> and I'd investigate that Apache issue, maybe check out a later version, or see if someone else got the same error
Jan 17 22:16:07 <belgianguy> as that looks nasty
Jan 17 22:17:22 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: im not using apache O.o
Jan 17 22:17:33 <kulhas> p_l|phone, ok I will consider that, but this is from a designer so I am just seeing if is good to do it with android layout or by code
Jan 17 22:17:59 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: a lib you're using is, then
Jan 17 22:18:01 <belgianguy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5591811/ignoring-innerclasses-attribute-warning-is-killing-eclipse
Jan 17 22:18:34 <belgianguy> or Eclipse itself is broken, I'd say try the latest version but that one is broken, too
Jan 17 22:20:00 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: are you by any chance using m2eclipse-android-integration  ?
Jan 17 22:22:00 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: i havent got that package included anywhere, just did a search and nothing comes up for 'm2eclipse'
Jan 17 22:22:24 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: it seems to happen with some Maven integration tool, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7922103/android-4-0-eclipse-compilation-failed
Jan 17 22:22:34 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: i dont use maven
Jan 17 22:22:49 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: any other plugins?
Jan 17 22:23:20 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: only android
Jan 17 22:23:54 <belgianguy> no external jars?
Jan 17 22:26:07 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: it seems to stem from parts of Java being compiled with an older version of Java
Jan 17 22:26:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> i do have a lot of external jars
Jan 17 22:26:31 <belgianguy> recompiling the source then gets rid of it, and here they say you can even ignore it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3308010/how-to-solve-the-waning-in-android
Jan 17 22:26:35 <WhereIsMySpoon> i was using some stuff which allowed jaxb to work in android
Jan 17 22:26:56 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: then find the one that isn't built using your current platform
Jan 17 22:27:03 <belgianguy> iirc there's a command to test jars
Jan 17 22:27:15 <belgianguy> which then tells what version they were compiled against
Jan 17 22:27:28 <belgianguy> if the error is any indication, it's something that handles xml :)
Jan 17 22:28:35 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3313532/what-version-of-javac-built-my-jar
Jan 17 22:28:56 <belgianguy> should give you an idea of who's the culprit
Jan 17 22:31:31 * g00s wonders if google gave up on their actionbar library, or maybe "soon" means "between now and the next i/o maybe"
Jan 17 22:32:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: jaxb is basically all about sending xml to REST servers and stuff, maybe its that =/
Jan 17 22:32:50 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: is the source of that available?
Jan 17 22:33:25 <WhereIsMySpoon> jaxb is readily available on the interwebs
Jan 17 22:33:29 <WhereIsMySpoon> its widely used
Jan 17 22:34:20 <canadiancow> ugh xml
Jan 17 22:34:50 <canadiancow> when i was an intern at a company, we were building ios and android apps to talk to a web service. it responded with xml
Jan 17 22:34:56 <canadiancow> someone suggested they swtich to json
Jan 17 22:34:57 <canadiancow> so we tried it
Jan 17 22:35:03 <canadiancow> and the payload size went down by like 50%
Jan 17 22:35:08 <canadiancow> and it was easier to parse
Jan 17 22:35:12 <Chainfire> not surprising
Jan 17 22:35:15 <oGMo> heh no doubt
Jan 17 22:35:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> canadiancow: yea i know json is nice, i use it for sending data to my app
Jan 17 22:35:23 <canadiancow> and thats when i learned not to use xml
Jan 17 22:35:23 <WhereIsMySpoon> just not to hte servef
Jan 17 22:35:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> server
Jan 17 22:35:25 <oGMo> json isn't great, but xml is about the worst of the bad
Jan 17 22:35:32 <Chainfire> when I work with clients they always recommend to respond with XML
Jan 17 22:35:45 <canadiancow> protobufs ftw :P
Jan 17 22:35:51 <Chainfire> 9 out of 10 times its complete overkill
Jan 17 22:35:53 <oGMo> eh protobufs ;P
Jan 17 22:36:14 <timroes> I like XML for several tasks, but definately not for having small footprint web protocols :)
Jan 17 22:36:19 <oGMo> too static and manual and painful to use
Jan 17 22:36:32 <timroes> but e.g. I wouldn't like to create android layouts in JSON
Jan 17 22:36:39 <Chainfire> if the server only needs to respond ok or not ok, 200 and 500 are fine for me ;)
Jan 17 22:36:44 <belgianguy> iirc Google IO once stated binary > json > xml
Jan 17 22:37:05 <timroes> depends on what you are aiming :)
Jan 17 22:37:08 <timroes> size definately
Jan 17 22:37:16 <canadiancow> well no
Jan 17 22:37:17 <Sicp> any idea about the permissions required for using TelephonyManager's getLine1Number() method for getting the line number of the phone?
Jan 17 22:37:17 <timroes> comfort... yeah binary is always very handy to debug :D
Jan 17 22:37:20 <canadiancow> for size, it's the opposite ;P
Jan 17 22:37:25 <canadiancow> binary < json < xml
Jan 17 22:37:40 <canadiancow> but the libaries required for protobufs are not small
Jan 17 22:37:41 <timroes> if you look at size, but not at quality of size ;P
Jan 17 22:37:48 <Sicp> I have READ_PHONE_STATE here, but something not very obvious is happening and I'm trying to debug
Jan 17 22:37:55 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: maybe just find a more recent version, then?
Jan 17 22:38:06 <canadiancow> Sicp, if it throws a SecurityException, it should tell you exactly what perm you need
Jan 17 22:38:21 <Sicp> yea it isn't, just trying to convince myself that the error is becuase of something external :P
Jan 17 22:38:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: im gonna remoev the jars and see if that fixes it first
Jan 17 22:38:46 <novie> Sicp: if it isn't a security exception, it probably isn't permissions.
Jan 17 22:39:03 <Sicp> ok then, any idea about any other function that returns the line number aside from getLine1Number()? because my phone is S3 and the line itself has been physically changed to fit into this device
Jan 17 22:39:09 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: best of luck, I hope I am not leading you astray
Jan 17 22:39:28 <Sicp> and the method says "checks for line in first card place, returns null if unavailable" (null is what I'm getting while all else seems to be just fine)
Jan 17 22:39:50 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: you were correct
Jan 17 22:39:54 <WhereIsMySpoon> works fien without these jars
Jan 17 22:39:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
Jan 17 22:40:05 <belgianguy> good, getting somewhere
Jan 17 22:40:56 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: so now what
Jan 17 22:41:06 <WhereIsMySpoon> binary search on jars?
Jan 17 22:41:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> to see wich work and which dont
Jan 17 22:41:15 <canadiancow> Sicp, what i heave learned about telephony on samsung devices, is "good luck"
Jan 17 22:41:25 <Sicp> really
Jan 17 22:41:31 <Sicp> good to know
Jan 17 22:42:26 <canadiancow> sometimes stuff works
Jan 17 22:42:32 <canadiancow> sometimes it doesnt, but it gets fixed in a later release
Jan 17 22:42:35 <canadiancow> sometimes it just never works
Jan 17 22:42:45 <Sicp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2480288/get-phone-number-in-android-sdk
Jan 17 22:42:49 <Sicp> perfect here
Jan 17 22:43:30 <Sicp> but then again, they didn't mention Samsung..so yea
Jan 17 22:43:33 <Sicp> I'll try more
Jan 17 22:43:38 <canadiancow> ah yeah but that answer is correct
Jan 17 22:43:39 <Chainfire> is this the same function that display the phone number under status ?
Jan 17 22:43:44 <canadiancow> sim cards dont always store your number
Jan 17 22:43:50 <canadiancow> there is no reason your phone would need to know its own number
Jan 17 22:43:56 <Chainfire> I do not believe that has ever worked on any of my sims in any of my phones ... :/
Jan 17 22:44:08 <Chainfire> and I have quite a large selection of both.
Jan 17 22:44:19 <Sicp> it doesn't show up in About Device by the way
Jan 17 22:44:21 <canadiancow> certain devices (blackberry, and some android) have a tool that lets you program a number into the sim
Jan 17 22:44:35 <canadiancow> Sicp, thats because About uses the same method...
Jan 17 22:44:39 <Sicp> yep
Jan 17 22:44:47 <canadiancow> so to reiterate, your device quite likely does not know its on number
Jan 17 22:44:49 <canadiancow> own*
Jan 17 22:44:51 <anelrh26> Hi!, Does anyone builds the android app with ANT? I'm dealing some issues here
Jan 17 22:44:52 <canadiancow> so there's no way to get it
Jan 17 22:45:05 <Sicp> no, you went from skeptic to absolutely refuting
Jan 17 22:45:10 <Sicp> there must be some way out
Jan 17 22:46:04 <canadiancow> yes, becuase i saw "samsung" and "telephony"
Jan 17 22:46:11 <canadiancow> then i actually thought about what you were specifically trying to do
Jan 17 22:46:28 <Sicp> so you have seen this before
Jan 17 22:47:52 <canadiancow> no, i jsut know how cell networks and equipment works
Jan 17 22:48:00 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: I'd say yeah, or make an educated guess
Jan 17 22:48:08 <canadiancow> phone numbers are used for INBOUND routing
Jan 17 22:48:37 <belgianguy> and try to find the same lib, compiled for your version, but is that error keeping you from compiling?
Jan 17 22:48:38 <canadiancow> one device can have zero or more numbers that will result in a call coming through
Jan 17 22:48:42 <Sicp> it's good for identifying you as the actual correct person that the sender was targeting, ok
Jan 17 22:48:43 <canadiancow> so a device does not "have a number"
Jan 17 22:48:54 <belgianguy> a site mentioned that it can be ignored if you used the API in the correct way
Jan 17 22:49:08 <canadiancow> now, since most people are basic users, in practice, it is a 1 to 1 ratio for number to device
Jan 17 22:49:24 <canadiancow> but on a technical level, it really doesnt make sense to tell a device "this is your number"
Jan 17 22:49:25 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: the error keeps me from installing, as i menteioned with teh dexopt and uid_changed errors
Jan 17 22:49:54 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: maybe add the jars back one after one
Jan 17 22:50:06 <belgianguy> as long as it doesn't do it, the 'bad apple' wasn't included
Jan 17 22:50:07 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: i just did a binary search, first half, fine, second half...also fine
Jan 17 22:50:09 <WhereIsMySpoon> <_________>
Jan 17 22:50:18 <WhereIsMySpoon> putting both halves back together now to see wtf happens
Jan 17 22:50:48 <canadiancow> like Sicp, i ahve two phones at home
Jan 17 22:50:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> hm ok, together they dont work
Jan 17 22:50:55 <Sicp> yea
Jan 17 22:50:57 <canadiancow> one has no number that will ever cause it to ring
Jan 17 22:51:00 <canadiancow> the toher has about 5
Jan 17 22:51:03 <canadiancow> in different area codes
Jan 17 22:51:04 <WhereIsMySpoon> but if i do both halves separately, an install will work
Jan 17 22:51:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> so its two jars interacting on compile time to make it error out
Jan 17 22:51:27 <canadiancow> so if they were to display "their" phone number, what would make sense?
Jan 17 22:51:34 <Sicp> it wouldn't
Jan 17 22:51:42 <canadiancow> and that's true in general telephony
Jan 17 22:51:52 <WhereIsMySpoon> hmmm
Jan 17 22:51:53 <canadiancow> which is why cell phoens were not designed in such a way that a device would know its number
Jan 17 22:51:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> maybe its just too many jars?
Jan 17 22:51:59 <WhereIsMySpoon> i do have jumbo mode on
Jan 17 22:52:06 <canadiancow> IF your sim card has a number, great
Jan 17 22:52:14 <canadiancow> but it may not be the current number associated with that line on the account
Jan 17 22:52:24 <canadiancow> it may not be there, and if it is, it may not be accurate
Jan 17 22:52:30 <belgianguy> I don't think a project can have too many jars
Jan 17 22:52:43 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: i have 26 atm
Jan 17 22:52:49 <WhereIsMySpoon> with all of them put into libs
Jan 17 22:53:27 <belgianguy> can't you add them one by one and see when it'll give that error?
Jan 17 22:53:34 <belgianguy> that would be at max 26 options
Jan 17 22:53:55 <belgianguy> and then dig into that library, or find an alternative?
Jan 17 22:54:48 <belgianguy> canadiancow: do you have multiple SIM cards then? or is this through Google Voice ?
Jan 17 22:57:45 <Chilley> can i write multiple bitmaps to one file using bitmaps.get(i).compress(Bitmap.CompressFormat.PNG, 90, out);
Jan 17 22:59:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> belgianguy: im pretty sure its the number of jars
Jan 17 22:59:34 <canadiancow> belgianguy, its not a cell phone :P
Jan 17 22:59:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> i just removed 6 jars so i had a total of 20, install success
Jan 17 22:59:50 <WhereIsMySpoon> i remove another different set of 6 jars so i had 20, success
Jan 17 22:59:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> im about to install with 21 jars
Jan 17 23:00:12 <belgianguy> I never heard of a hard limit on jars
Jan 17 23:00:27 <belgianguy> there's nothing stopping me from packing hello world 26 times
Jan 17 23:01:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, so 21 works
Jan 17 23:01:53 <WhereIsMySpoon> what about 25
Jan 17 23:06:09 <Linkandzelda> is there any way I can get the package name from within an activity?
Jan 17 23:06:17 <Linkandzelda> like instead of writing it I want to retrive it
Jan 17 23:06:33 <Linkandzelda> example: app.getPackageName() or something lol
Jan 17 23:08:39 <g00s> context.getPackageName() ? :P
Jan 17 23:09:26 <Linkandzelda> so that exists lol
Jan 17 23:11:33 <novie> rtfm :)
Jan 17 23:12:29 <belgianguy> WhereIsMySpoon: any progress?
Jan 17 23:13:04 <Sicp> yep, tm.getLine1Number() is coming up empty
Jan 17 23:13:08 <Sicp> length is ZERO.
Jan 17 23:13:39 <Sicp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5134398/telephonymanager-getline1number-failing
Jan 17 23:13:43 <Sicp> this settles it
Jan 17 23:15:10 <Sicp> I'm still reputation 13 on SO, can't downvote until 125
Jan 17 23:15:17 <Sicp> there are some shit answers out there, man
Jan 17 23:16:15 <canadiancow> i think im above 125 now
Jan 17 23:16:18 <canadiancow> i answered like 4 questions
Jan 17 23:16:23 <canadiancow> its so easy to get up there
Jan 17 23:16:56 <Sicp> yea but i never dedicated any time to it
Jan 17 23:17:01 <Sicp> I'm some 300 on the Unix exchange
Jan 17 23:17:16 <Sicp> ....66 actually, haha
Jan 17 23:17:22 <Sicp> wtf, 300?
Jan 17 23:18:19 <canadiancow> i find it hard to dedicate time
Jan 17 23:18:25 <canadiancow> questions usually get answered in like 2 seconds
Jan 17 23:18:30 <canadiancow> and if they dont, they're hard :P
Jan 17 23:18:59 <g00s> the commonsware dude has like a bazillion
Jan 17 23:19:02 <belgianguy> yeah, I lucked out with an easy one I had solved myself a day earlier
Jan 17 23:19:09 <Sicp> yea that guy
Jan 17 23:19:18 <Sicp> just read his name somewhere
Jan 17 23:19:24 <Sicp> there's Jon Skeet, the google guy, SO superstar
Jan 17 23:19:26 <belgianguy> well doesn't he come here as well?
Jan 17 23:19:38 <Sicp> some guy calculated how much he must be answering per day to get up that high
Jan 17 23:19:41 <belgianguy> here being #android-dev
Jan 17 23:19:47 <g00s> i dont think so belgianguy
Jan 17 23:20:04 <Sicp> he miscalculated and it seemed like it doesn't make sense, but then Jon Skeet answered him with the correct calculation
Jan 17 23:20:08 <belgianguy> and commonsware?
Jan 17 23:20:10 <Sicp> lol
Jan 17 23:21:04 <kevinb> commonsware basically makes it his job to answer questions. it seems like a good system, people get help and he gets recognition which translates into book sales.
Jan 17 23:21:09 <Sicp> whatever dude, I am not intimidated by such people
Jan 17 23:21:32 <Sicp> they are what they are, and I am wh... *cries*
Jan 17 23:21:46 <belgianguy> I mainly use the rep system to estimate the quality of the solutions given
Jan 17 23:22:13 <belgianguy> ofc lots of points doesn't translate to lots of knowlegde
Jan 17 23:22:32 <belgianguy> but usually the upper echelons don't pull stuff out of their ***
Jan 17 23:22:41 <Sicp> a lot of Android is answered wrong, compared to what I hear ctate or others saying
Jan 17 23:22:50 <Sicp> but I just navigate away
Jan 17 23:24:05 <belgianguy> yeah, Android is a touchy subject, some people just hack at it until it does something
Jan 17 23:24:29 <g00s> yeah, ctate or bust!
Jan 17 23:24:54 <belgianguy> I remember someone who wanted to detect if the keyboard was showing, and someone suggested measuring the screen height, and if it was lower then a set value, it'd show, and if not, it wasn't
Jan 17 23:24:59 <belgianguy> terrible
Jan 17 23:25:20 <belgianguy> those answers should be able to be "sunk" so no brains get tainted by them any more
Jan 17 23:25:20 <g00s> oh , and canadiancow :P
Jan 17 23:25:31 <canadiancow> wat
Jan 17 23:25:34 <g00s> nothing
Jan 17 23:25:38 <Sicp> yea
Jan 17 23:25:41 <Sicp> and simon
Jan 17 23:25:44 <belgianguy> praise
Jan 17 23:25:47 <Sicp> simon is > *
Jan 17 23:26:30 <canadiancow> the bigger problem is when people answer questions they dont understand
Jan 17 23:26:41 <canadiancow> the number of times ive had to say "no, that's wrong"
Jan 17 23:26:46 <Sicp> that's a deeply rooted malfunction in the person actually
Jan 17 23:26:58 <Sicp> I've seen it at my uni; they cannot just say no or "I don't know"
Jan 17 23:27:04 <Sicp> they have to ..puke things out
Jan 17 23:27:09 <belgianguy> well intentioned, but terrible consequences
Jan 17 23:27:45 <belgianguy> I tend to do that from time to time, just plug stuff into Google and then go from there
Jan 17 23:29:13 <belgianguy> but when you cannot distinquish between a solution and a hackjob, you're inviting disasters
Jan 17 23:29:50 <belgianguy> but I do keep my big mouth shut when I don't get it at all
Jan 17 23:30:30 <belgianguy> Googling in itself is a skill, knowing what to search for
Jan 17 23:31:43 <Sicp> definitely, sometimes you get to a point where you can tell when something is ungoogleable
Jan 17 23:31:59 <Sicp> you just can't phrase the scenario
Jan 17 23:32:27 <Sicp> this is where I start setting up the environment for the question :P (code, initial setup, fault point)
Jan 17 23:33:36 <clever> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#onKeyDown(int, android.view.KeyEvent)
Jan 17 23:33:48 <clever> the comments say that software keyboards wont always trigger it, which event should i use?
Jan 17 23:43:26 <belgianguy> clever: public boolean onKeyPreIme (int keyCode, KeyEvent event) isn't adorned with the same "not in software" warning, but I don't know if this conveys enough information about the action
Jan 17 23:44:11 <belgianguy> but maybe this happens later and as such is equally not useful
Jan 17 23:44:11 <ctate> "not in software" warning?
Jan 17 23:44:36 <belgianguy> ctate: the docs say that onKeyDown cannot be used to detect key down in software keyboards
Jan 17 23:44:41 <belgianguy> if I read that right
Jan 17 23:45:54 <belgianguy> in clever's link
Jan 17 23:46:57 <clever> ctate: i'm trying to implement d-pad focus within a View sub-class, all of the items that can receive focus are non-View objects
Jan 17 23:47:11 <clever> the whole group of objects is handled by a single onDraw within the sub-class
Jan 17 23:47:25 <clever> so they dont exist at the android level, for normal focus rules to hit
Jan 17 23:48:01 <romainguy_> you can override the various focus handling methods for that
Jan 17 23:48:06 <romainguy_> it's what the Calendar apps does
Jan 17 23:48:29 <clever> i was about to override onkeydown to do that, but would onFocusChanged maybe be better?
Jan 17 23:51:41 <clever> romainguy_: which functions do you recomend i override?
Jan 17 23:57:21 <kulhas> I am having this "Error: Attr.value missing f. �s 	load.png" in a png file and I dont know why... what can I do?
Jan 17 23:58:59 <kevinb> clever: onKey i think
Jan 17 23:59:07 <kevinb> kulhas: try cleaning the project and building it again
Jan 18 00:08:35 <matt9> hey JakeWharton how do I submit a pull request to https://github.com/square/fest-android ? I don't see the pull request button.
Jan 18 00:08:41 <JakeWharton> you have to fork it
Jan 18 00:09:00 <JakeWharton> https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests
Jan 18 00:09:02 <matt9> oh got it thanks
Jan 18 00:11:21 <Chilley> is there any inbuilt way to have a 3D flip animation on pictures on a griview
Jan 18 00:11:30 <Chilley> i want them to flip around when i click them
Jan 18 00:13:02 <Chilley> it would be so awesome for my app, but i don't have time to build something like that from scratch
Jan 18 00:22:20 <kulhas> kevinb, tx it worked
Jan 18 00:23:52 <matt9> Chilley this might help http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/05/introducing-viewpropertyanimator.html
Jan 18 00:34:36 <kbs> Just a question out of curiosity -- are some folks developing interfaces for different screen sizes in the style of the web, rather than using fragments? That is, a fairly drastic change in the layout (eg: nav elements moving from tab headers to lists, single column -> multi-column, etc.) If so, pointers to examples/lessons learnt etc?
Jan 18 00:43:06 <kulhas> I have images with a degrade but android makes them with less quality, how can I fix this?
Jan 18 00:43:41 <guidocalvano> what units do you guys use for positioning things?
Jan 18 00:44:58 * kbs personally uses points; although the android official stance is to use dips
Jan 18 00:45:15 <JesusFreke> you have a point there.
Jan 18 00:45:23 <kbs> :-)
Jan 18 00:45:37 <platzhirsch> So I am looking into android.os.Handler for the first time, I am some what suprised by the message methods like obtainMessage using an int to define values to assign to the returned Message field.. why is that not generic.. what haven't I understood here?
Jan 18 00:49:00 <ctate> that's a convenience method
Jan 18 00:49:22 <platzhirsch> Which method shouldn't?
Jan 18 00:49:25 <ctate> so you don't have to use the generic getMessage() that does no initialization, and then fill in the field yourself
Jan 18 00:49:33 <ctate> err, obtainMessage()
Jan 18 00:49:46 <ctate> note that there are several obtainMessage(...) variants that do various amounts of filling-out
Jan 18 00:49:53 <platzhirsch> mh I see
Jan 18 00:56:17 <platzhirsch> well I don't understand it yet, but that's not a question of explanation, I guess I have to continue building this mechanism to understand it
Jan 18 01:03:14 <kulhas> how can I make a background black in the eclipse android editor ?
Jan 18 01:26:01 <jda2000> Does the Intel Atom based emulator run faster on Intel based systems?
Jan 18 02:14:05 <vuln> How do I listen to a EditBox to change a variable according to typing?
Jan 18 02:16:36 <vuln> EditText*
Jan 18 02:22:57 <pragma-> Just saw this message in "Recent changes" for an app:  "Added ability to select all.  Due to limitations with ListView, scroll to the bottom of the list then back to the top to refresh all the checkboxes."
Jan 18 02:23:02 <pragma-> lolwut?
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