**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 18 02:59:59 2013
Jan 18 03:01:12 <jimi_hendrix> so i want to put a timer in my app. is there some widget to make use of, or do i roll my own
Jan 18 03:02:49 <lasserix> there is a timer
Jan 18 03:02:59 <lasserix> depends on how percise you want to be though
Jan 18 03:03:55 <jimi_hendrix> low precision is fine
Jan 18 03:04:05 <jimi_hendrix> what class do I look at?
Jan 18 03:04:13 <wabz> 45C/113F today :/
Jan 18 03:04:48 <clever> jimi_hendrix: i would use Handler
Jan 18 03:05:18 <clever> jimi_hendrix: either postAtTime (Runnable r, long uptimeMillis) or postDelayed (Runnable r, long delayMillis)
Jan 18 03:06:28 <clever> jimi_hendrix: and if you want code to run at a given time, after the process has ended (alarm clock, calendar) use AlarmManager
Jan 18 03:06:56 <clever> Handler is better for making the UI tick down, AlarmManager to just do something at a given time, after a long delay
Jan 18 03:07:09 <jimi_hendrix> alright, Handler sounds like what I want
Jan 18 03:07:37 <lasserix> *clever, @jimi if you can be more specific might be able to help you more
Jan 18 03:07:43 <lasserix> are you making a metronome by any chance?
Jan 18 03:08:58 <jimi_hendrix> lasserix, no. essentially, i am going to show a countdown then change some text when the countdown hits 0
Jan 18 03:09:37 <clever> jimi_hendrix: sounds like Handler.postAtTime would do then, keep posting new events for 1 second from now
Jan 18 03:09:55 <clever> or maybe just postDelayed if you dont care about locking it to xx:xx:xx.000 (0ms)
Jan 18 03:11:45 <jimi_hendrix> alright, thanks
Jan 18 03:11:53 <The_Phoenix> I'm looking for a real-time image *pattern recognition* library. Suggestions?
Jan 18 03:12:37 <clever> The_Phoenix: ive heard opencv is good for that, but ive never tried to use it (and i dont know if android can run it)
Jan 18 03:15:43 <The_Phoenix> clever: There's an iOS port but as far as I looked, it seems like image recognition(comparing two images) than for pattern.
Jan 18 03:16:40 <The_Phoenix> clever: There's android tutorial too.
Jan 18 03:16:42 <clever> The_Phoenix: internaly, android is just linux, so you might have luck with the linux port, via NDK
Jan 18 03:16:44 <kevinb> i've used opencv (not on Android though) and it has hough at least
Jan 18 03:17:35 <The_Phoenix> clever: True but am not sure if it could do pattern recognition.
Jan 18 03:19:21 <The_Phoenix> kevinb: Interesting.
Jan 18 03:21:34 <The_Phoenix> kevinb: I think I should read up a bit on image recognition. Am not familiar with all image recognition algos. I was hoping there was an API that doesn't require much image recognition knowledge like Android gestures.
Jan 18 03:23:45 <kevinb> i imagine you're going to have to do the bulk of the recognition yourself. image processing itself (like running a filter or changing color spaces) has plenty of libraries (at least outside of android), but recognition is heavily tied to the type of images you're working with and the type of features you're trying to identify
Jan 18 03:29:34 <vuln> My Toast is not getting cancelled :/ I do MyToast.show(); to make it show up, but it doesnt go away with MyToast.cancel();
Jan 18 03:31:09 <bankai_> did you set a duration?
Jan 18 03:31:39 <vuln> I don't think so
Jan 18 03:31:46 <vuln> Does it matter even when I do .cancel() ?
Jan 18 03:32:11 <bankai_> i believe protocol is to set a duration, then there's no need to 'cancel'
Jan 18 03:32:55 <vuln> LENGTH_LONG
Jan 18 03:33:00 <vuln> I set
Jan 18 03:33:26 <lasserix> Are you running something while the toast is showing that would make the application non-responsive?
Jan 18 03:34:18 <vuln> No.
Jan 18 03:38:46 <vuln> Solved it. ty
Jan 18 03:38:57 <bankai_> how?
Jan 18 03:40:20 <vuln> I made sure I checked everywhere if it was null, set to Toast.SHORT_LENGTH and when it wasnt necessary apart from cancelling I set it null
Jan 18 03:40:29 <vuln> 1 am here, later I can optimize it hehe
Jan 18 03:40:31 <vuln> nighty night
Jan 18 03:43:37 <lasserix> Hmm sounds like a context leak
Jan 18 03:43:48 <lasserix> *symptomatic of
Jan 18 03:52:26 <pragma-> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-software-developer-busted-employer-outsourcing-job-china/story?id=18230346
Jan 18 03:58:57 <capella> heh read that on ars yesterday .... most people think the guys a genious
Jan 18 04:01:46 <pragma-> except for the bit where he allowed the chinese guy to vpn directly into his work machine
Jan 18 04:02:02 <pragma-> should have let the guy vpn into his home computer and from there connect to his work machine
Jan 18 04:02:16 <pragma-> then the connection would have appeared to originate from his home and appear more legit
Jan 18 04:02:56 <pragma-> because yeah connections from china aren't suspicious at all
Jan 18 04:03:10 <capella> :D naaaaaaahhh
Jan 18 04:03:38 <pragma-> i'd be surprised if any body else ever hires that guy again
Jan 18 04:04:01 <pragma-> demoted from a $100,000+ job to a gas station attendant
Jan 18 04:04:17 <pragma-> and if the company was smart, they'd hire the chinese guy that was working for only $50,000
Jan 18 04:04:43 <capella> He'll start his on contracting firm - like he should have to begin with
Jan 18 04:11:23 <pragma-> he'd need to have contracts in the first place
Jan 18 04:12:04 <capella> yep
Jan 18 04:36:29 <canadiancow> Leeds i have access to b.a.c now :P
Jan 18 04:36:46 <Leeds> progress :)  I saw you merged and closed my bug
Jan 18 04:36:57 <canadiancow> yep
Jan 18 04:37:02 <Leeds> I'll have to find something else to report now, see how long it takes to get noticed ;)
Jan 18 04:37:10 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 18 04:37:17 <canadiancow> im not sure how to close a lot of the bugs
Jan 18 04:37:21 <canadiancow> "cannot reproduce" or "released"
Jan 18 04:37:43 <Leeds> shouldn't be released unless it's actually known to be fixed
Jan 18 04:38:04 <canadiancow> well a bug filed in 2010 that is no longer a bug...
Jan 18 04:38:07 <Leeds> or do you mean there should be a status for "this is an ancient OS version, we ain't gonna fix it here"
Jan 18 04:38:23 <canadiancow> no i mean, someone filed a bug
Jan 18 04:38:25 <canadiancow> it was likely fixed
Jan 18 04:38:29 <canadiancow> but i have no proof they werent making it up
Jan 18 04:38:40 <canadiancow> like yours
Jan 18 04:39:02 <Leeds> ah, because it was probably fixed without the bug being updated at the time
Jan 18 04:39:31 <canadiancow> yea
Jan 18 04:39:47 <canadiancow> i mean in "simple" cases like a typo i could just look at the history of the file
Jan 18 04:40:23 <Leeds> I'd say make a judgement call and leave a message on the bug
Jan 18 04:41:48 <Leeds> presumably even if something could be reproduced on, say, 2.X or even 3.X, but not on 4.X, nobody is really going to care anyway
Jan 18 04:42:18 <Leeds> I mean, it's not like the 2.X users are likely to ever see a fix pushed to them
Jan 18 04:47:20 <EGamerHDK> Can anyone help me with with a tutorial from vogella.com? It's just not working, and it's only the first step.
Jan 18 04:52:10 <Leeds> EGamerHDK: don't ask for help without actually saying what you want help with...
Jan 18 04:52:22 <kj4> s2 959 (tracfone) has been unlocked/rooted, has it not?
Jan 18 04:53:14 <EGamerHDK> Leeds: Sorry, it's the first step in this tutorial. http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidJSON/article.html
Jan 18 04:53:32 <Leeds> EGamerHDK: and the problem you're having is...
Jan 18 04:53:39 <EGamerHDK> It crashes when started
Jan 18 04:53:58 <Leeds> what's the exception? what line is it on?
Jan 18 04:54:05 <EGamerHDK>       HttpResponse response = client.execute(httpGet);
Jan 18 04:54:32 <EGamerHDK> Unable to start activity.
Jan 18 04:54:53 <Leeds> erm, no
Jan 18 04:55:02 <Leeds> pastebin your backtrace
Jan 18 04:56:43 <EGamerHDK> Oh. Sorry, I'm not that great at this whole programming thing yet. You mean pastebin the logcat error... right?
Jan 18 04:57:03 <Leeds> yes
Jan 18 04:57:25 <EGamerHDK> How do I do that though? It's a bunch of lines, but it only lets me select one?
Jan 18 04:57:46 <dragorn> I'd guess that you're doing network IO on the main activity thread, as a matter of raw prejudice :P
Jan 18 04:59:54 <Leeds> EGamerHDK: I'm assuming you're using eclipse - which means someone else will have to teach you how to copy and paste
Jan 18 04:59:54 <EGamerHDK> How would i go about copying an entire logcat error message?O:-)
Jan 18 05:00:05 <canadiancow> click one line
Jan 18 05:00:10 <canadiancow> shift click the other end of the trace
Jan 18 05:00:36 <EGamerHDK> Ah. Shift click. How dumb of me. Thanks canadiancow
Jan 18 05:01:15 <EGamerHDK> Here's the logcat pastebin: http://pastebin.com/e55KRDLX
Jan 18 05:01:34 <canadiancow> someone already gave you the answer
Jan 18 05:01:38 <EGamerHDK> Yep, "Caused by: android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException"
Jan 18 05:01:39 <canadiancow> dragorn
Jan 18 05:01:48 <Leeds> and yup, dragorn wins the prize
Jan 18 05:02:03 <Leeds> "NetworkOnMainThreadException"
Jan 18 05:02:08 <EGamerHDK> Hrm... lol When did that come into play? Sorry I'm still very new at Android. Please bear with me.
Jan 18 05:02:12 <dragorn> woo! :)
Jan 18 05:02:25 <dragorn> EGamerHDK: you can't do network io, or anything that would block the main UI, on the main thread
Jan 18 05:02:51 <dragorn> EGamerHDK: look at threading, asynctask, runnables...  Unfortunately you picked a pretty complex first thing to do
Jan 18 05:03:03 <canadiancow> not erally
Jan 18 05:03:14 <canadiancow> you just need an asynctask with doInBackground() and onPostExecute()
Jan 18 05:03:21 <EGamerHDK> It's not my first. It's just early on in my programming career.
Jan 18 05:03:23 <Leeds> well, it's slightly more complex - you *could*, in the past, then you were advised not to, then there was a strict mode which would flag it... now you can't
Jan 18 05:03:48 <Leeds> so if you're following a tutorial which is almost 2 years old, it was allowed at the time
Jan 18 05:03:52 <EGamerHDK> Okay, don't kill me on this one, but it works on my emulator?
Jan 18 05:04:02 <EGamerHDK> Oh! Alright, so it was allowed at one time.
Jan 18 05:04:10 <canadiancow> Leeds, "almost" 2 years ago was pretty close to the HC release
Jan 18 05:04:12 <canadiancow> which did not allow it
Jan 18 05:04:28 <Leeds> canadiancow: except it's not like most people ever came into contact with HC
Jan 18 05:04:34 <canadiancow> :P
Jan 18 05:04:41 <EGamerHDK> I had a samsung 10.1 with HC
Jan 18 05:04:43 <EGamerHDK> lol
Jan 18 05:04:47 <canadiancow> stop writing tutorials if you don't know what you're talking about ~_~
Jan 18 05:05:07 <Leeds> I had - have - what is, as far as I know, the only device to ever get upgraded *to* HC
Jan 18 05:05:18 <Zharf> poor you
Jan 18 05:05:18 <canadiancow> galaxy tab?
Jan 18 05:05:21 <Zharf> :p
Jan 18 05:05:35 <Leeds> nope, HTC Flyer
Jan 18 05:06:15 <Leeds> although mine came with HC, they originally shipped with gingerbread
Jan 18 05:06:30 <canadiancow> interesting
Jan 18 05:06:55 <Leeds> canadiancow: I don't think the original tab, at least, ever had an upgrade from 2.X - one of my colleagues had one, which he actually used as his phone for a while
Jan 18 05:07:23 <canadiancow> i was just trying to name a "tablet" that was released before teh xoom
Jan 18 05:07:25 <Leeds> official upgrade, at least
Jan 18 05:07:28 <canadiancow> and that's all i could think of
Jan 18 05:08:06 <Leeds> the flyer was pretty much a flop, and HTC walked away from tablets afterwards... I was given one by, oh, what's the company... Google?
Jan 18 05:08:42 <pixelfire> wabbit
Jan 18 05:08:42 <canadiancow> a flyer?
Jan 18 05:08:47 <kevinb> the original dell streak might've gotten the honeycomb update as well (i kind of recall this but don't have one myself so i could be wrong)
Jan 18 05:09:00 <canadiancow> googler never gave me a flyer :(
Jan 18 05:09:02 <canadiancow> just a bunch of nexus ones
Jan 18 05:09:21 <Leeds> and apparently they're about to announce an 8" Tab, because 7", 7.7", 8.9" and 10.1" doesn't give them enough variety
Jan 18 05:10:12 <Leeds> yeah, they had a workshop here on upgrading to fragments, gave everyone a Flyer because - as the trainer correctly said - the emulator is not really the most efficient way to do tablet dev
Jan 18 05:10:26 <canadiancow> why didnt they give out a xoom
Jan 18 05:10:53 <Leeds> presumably because Moto didn't have a warehouse full of unsold ones, unlike HTC?
Jan 18 05:11:05 <Leeds> also, AFAIK they only did it in HK and Taiwan, so HTC are more local
Jan 18 05:12:37 <Leeds> in the past few years I've had an N1 and a Flyer from Google, a Playbook from RIM, a Lumia from Nokia and an 8X from HTC directly...
Jan 18 05:17:52 <g00s> Leeds: 8" tablet from who ? htc ?
Jan 18 05:18:32 <Leeds> g00s: Samsung
Jan 18 05:24:02 <jda2000> This may seem pathetic, but after I fetch a project directory from svn, how do I coax eclipse into opening it?  It always seems to open the last project when I say open project.
Jan 18 05:27:13 <clever> jda2000: import it as an existing project
Jan 18 05:29:04 <jda2000> clever, Thanks!
Jan 18 05:29:26 <jda2000> So, I should not have downloaded it into workspace already?
Jan 18 05:30:28 <clever> jda2000: it doesnt matter where the dir is i find
Jan 18 06:10:32 <jda2000> How do I induce whatever is supposed to generate my R class to go ahead and do it?
Jan 18 06:12:30 <deebo> ^B
Jan 18 06:15:06 <jda2000> Errors occurred during the build.
Jan 18 06:15:06 <jda2000> Errors running builder 'Android Pre Compiler' on project 'daap-client'.
Jan 18 06:15:06 <jda2000> java.lang.NullPointerException
Jan 18 06:15:31 <jda2000> Am I as screwed as I think I am?
Jan 18 06:16:20 <jda2000> That's telling me the compiler is crashing, right?
Jan 18 06:17:04 <jda2000> I mean the "Android Pre Compiler" is crashing.
Jan 18 06:25:26 <Zharf> well this is an interesting effect
Jan 18 06:25:42 <Zharf> this desire z somehow decided to mirror every touch
Jan 18 06:26:07 <Zharf> I tap on back button, menu opens
Jan 18 06:26:20 <Zharf> I open a software, some other software opens from the other side of the screen
Jan 18 06:26:35 <Zharf> I tap home button it opens search
Jan 18 06:26:39 <Zharf> and search button opens home
Jan 18 06:26:43 <Zharf> err, goes home
Jan 18 06:27:31 <Zharf> I type qwerty on the software keyboard, I get poiuyt
Jan 18 06:27:42 <Zharf> this is somehow hilarious
Jan 18 06:48:12 <jda2000> deebo, thanks.
Jan 18 07:09:24 <k0nichiwa> any ndk expert here ? how can i force a c or cpp t always be recompiled ?
Jan 18 07:09:36 <k0nichiwa> i want to embed the build date and time in the librray so i can print it out in logcat
Jan 18 07:09:47 <k0nichiwa> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html doesn't work
Jan 18 07:10:38 <g00s> __DATE__ and __TIME__ :)
Jan 18 07:10:48 <k0nichiwa> the object has to be rebuilt for that to work
Jan 18 07:10:52 <k0nichiwa> i may have figured it out
Jan 18 07:10:56 <Zharf> yeah..
Jan 18 07:10:58 <k0nichiwa> myfile.o : .PHONY
Jan 18 07:11:09 <clever> k0nichiwa: other way arround
Jan 18 07:11:13 <k0nichiwa> no that odesnt work
Jan 18 07:11:14 <clever> .PHONY: myfile.o
Jan 18 07:11:20 <k0nichiwa> i already tryied the other way around
Jan 18 07:11:25 <k0nichiwa> sh*t doesnt work, no suprise, its android
Jan 18 07:11:34 <g00s> hehe
Jan 18 07:11:47 <clever> its a standard feature within make, not android
Jan 18 07:11:57 <g00s> we've got canadiancow cornered, he's fixing tons of bugs
Jan 18 07:12:09 <k0nichiwa> android usees make
Jan 18 07:12:25 <g00s> make or gmake ?
Jan 18 07:12:35 <g00s> i mean, they are often aliased ...
Jan 18 07:12:36 <clever> k0nichiwa: i would add a touch command into it
Jan 18 07:12:39 <k0nichiwa> gnu make
Jan 18 07:12:46 <clever> within the 'all' section, add 'touch myfile.c'
Jan 18 07:12:57 <k0nichiwa> how do i add a touch command ?  its not an fng make file
Jan 18 07:13:01 <clever> then it will detect that myfile.o is outdated and rebuild it
Jan 18 07:13:01 <k0nichiwa> its an android.mk
Jan 18 07:13:10 <p_l> k0nichiwa: android.mk is just a makefile :)
Jan 18 07:13:19 <k0nichiwa> yeah but i dont have an all section
Jan 18 07:13:27 <p_l> though `touch` is unix command
Jan 18 07:13:33 <k0nichiwa> and if it is just a makefile why doesn't http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html work ?
Jan 18 07:13:48 <clever> possibly a side-effect of how its included into the main makefile
Jan 18 07:13:48 <p_l> it's GNU, something *must* be broken
Jan 18 07:14:00 <clever> k0nichiwa: do you have a Makefile within the root dir?
Jan 18 07:14:02 <k0nichiwa> its no fun when you're not sure if your lib has really been rebuilt and reinstalled
Jan 18 07:14:18 <k0nichiwa> clever no its not a makefile, its android build system
Jan 18 07:14:25 <k0nichiwa> it uses gnu  make syntax
Jan 18 07:14:31 <k0nichiwa> it probably uses gnu make somehwere internally
Jan 18 07:14:41 <clever> create your own Makefile, that runs touch on myfile.c, then runs the android build system
Jan 18 07:14:50 <clever> use that to build things
Jan 18 07:15:37 <p_l> anyway, .PHONY targets shouldn't be used for that
Jan 18 07:16:19 <p_l> you should have a file (let's say config.h) which contains the build string or whatever, and "touch" in its make rule
Jan 18 07:16:39 <p_l> or rather, touch it whenever you want to make a release ;)
Jan 18 07:17:39 <k0nichiwa> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12372500/how-to-run-custom-rule-in-android-mk-before-compilation
Jan 18 07:17:42 <k0nichiwa> maybe that will work
Jan 18 07:17:51 <k0nichiwa> clever that would work but i'd rather not make it a to stage process
Jan 18 07:18:59 <k0nichiwa> no not working yet
Jan 18 07:28:37 <k0nichiwa> ndk build is apparently completely f'd up
Jan 18 07:32:01 <greatjustice> So changing the opacity of text via its paint doesn't automatically apply to its shadow layer. However I'm trying to achieve a fade effect. I see setting the shadowlayer invokes jni method. After looking at the Paint.cpp, a new Skia shadow is allocated. Is it bad practice to change shadowlayer every frame of a game? Is this memory being properly managed, or was this method intended to only be invoked once
Jan 18 07:34:31 <greatjustice> I'd rather not draw into bitmap beforehand and use paint on that
Jan 18 07:35:01 <greatjustice> especially because android text measure doesnt account for shadow
Jan 18 07:35:14 <greatjustice> making that basically impossible
Jan 18 07:46:51 <canadiancow> can anyone get to https://live.xbox.com/
Jan 18 07:47:13 <greatjustice> Yes
Jan 18 07:47:15 <canadiancow> POS xbox is saying YOUR MTU IS FUBAR, when i cant even get to their main page on my desktop
Jan 18 07:47:16 <canadiancow> ugh
Jan 18 07:47:29 <canadiancow> hmm now it loads
Jan 18 07:47:40 <canadiancow> but its late enough that i dont even care anymore
Jan 18 07:47:40 <canadiancow> sigh
Jan 18 07:50:20 <g00s> oh man, there is a vending machine in Munich just for Legos http://i.imgur.com/GdlJT.jpg
Jan 18 07:50:25 * g00s must move to Munich
Jan 18 07:51:16 <k0nichiwa> greatjustice, are u setting opacity on the vie wthat contains the text ?
Jan 18 07:53:35 <greatjustice> k0nichiwa: I am setting opacity on the paint I use with the text drawn to Canvas. The text fades fine, but the shadow color stays Color.Black. I am looking to change shadow color on the fly quickly and most importantly without invoking the garbage collector
Jan 18 07:54:05 <k0nichiwa> oh sh*t textedit just crashed again
Jan 18 07:54:33 <k0nichiwa> is asking a simple texteditor to work too much  ?  geesus
Jan 18 07:55:28 <g00s> textedit? on mac? who uses that :|
Jan 18 07:55:46 <k0nichiwa> greatjustice maybe you can draw the text at regular opacity to an offscreen with transparency
Jan 18 07:56:04 <k0nichiwa> and then composite the offscreen
Jan 18 07:57:29 <greatjustice> k0nichiwa: I would, but android doesn't account for shadow layer when you ask it to measure text. And I don't want a bigger bitmap than needed because of precise positioning
Jan 18 07:58:30 <greatjustice> Numbers are generally same width and height, so I measure stuff with 7 or 77 and position based on those measurements
Jan 18 07:59:17 <greatjustice> which I have to do manually because if I use a view, timing draws will be off on account of 2 threads
Jan 18 08:01:39 <greatjustice> My other option would be to allocate 15 paints, each with a color 17 opacity greater than the former, making sure I go from 0 -> 255 in 15 frames. I just see the allocation in the jni source and worry
Jan 18 08:02:40 <greatjustice> I mean I know only java objects will be gc'd, but I don't know c or cpp. If it just creates a new looper
Jan 18 08:03:04 <greatjustice> Everytime I setShadowLayer, are things going to explode?
Jan 18 08:06:08 <k0nichiwa> greatjustice, there still may  be a way you could composite with an offscreen
Jan 18 08:06:25 <k0nichiwa> im not sure why precise positioning prevents that
Jan 18 08:06:41 <k0nichiwa> you draw the text from the top left and the shadow goes to the bottom or right i assume
Jan 18 08:07:12 <k0nichiwa> you know exactly the position of the text within your offscreen so you have all the info you need to position it
Jan 18 08:08:21 <greatjustice> I don't understand. You mean have a bitmap allocated and use canvas to draw into it and then draw the bitmap through the other canvas?
Jan 18 08:08:41 <greatjustice> Applying paint while blitting
Jan 18 08:08:50 <greatjustice> with variable alpha
Jan 18 08:09:18 <pacior> greatjustice: writing on another canvas may be reference question - if one bitmap is on two canvases, so if bitmap changes do both canvases changes
Jan 18 08:09:34 <pacior> though, i am not an expert
Jan 18 08:10:01 <greatjustice> pacior: yes the object is held by reference on both canvases
Jan 18 08:10:26 <greatjustice> changes to one are reflected in all canvases initialized with that bitmap
Jan 18 08:10:28 <k0nichiwa> greatjustice, yes
Jan 18 08:10:36 <k0nichiwa> of course what did you think i meant
Jan 18 08:10:59 <k0nichiwa> that would allow you to change the alpha of both the text and shadow consistently
Jan 18 08:11:47 <greatjustice> k0nichiwa: Just making sure. The problem is.. how big should that bitmap be? If I measure the text, shadow isn't accounted for, so it would be too small
Jan 18 08:12:09 <greatjustice> I'd have to guess, and I'm bad at that
Jan 18 08:12:58 <greatjustice> I'd rather not have to composite a ton of transparent pixels as a result
Jan 18 08:15:37 <greatjustice> Okay ill go with that route.
Jan 18 08:16:04 <greatjustice> I'll just make it twice as big to be safe :/
Jan 18 08:16:17 <greatjustice> Stupid android..
Jan 18 08:16:30 <k0nichiwa> greatjustice,  yeah dont see another way
Jan 18 08:16:58 <k0nichiwa> you wuld only be intersted in a shadow that is maybe 30 percent the text height i think
Jan 18 08:17:06 <greatjustice> k0nichiwa: thanks for the help
Jan 18 08:17:20 <k0nichiwa> why make the bitmap twixe as big as the text ? the shadow would only be lon the scale of the text heigt or something
Jan 18 08:17:23 <greatjustice> yeah it changes based on screen size
Jan 18 08:17:39 <k0nichiwa> or maybe the shdow is more like a fixed 10 pixels in "size"
Jan 18 08:17:39 <greatjustice> I have shadow dimensions stored in resources xml
Jan 18 08:18:09 <k0nichiwa> i dont know if android supports layers
Jan 18 08:18:29 <k0nichiwa> another possibility if you are drawing to views, if you have layers, make a layer for all the text w/shadows that you want opacified
Jan 18 08:18:31 <greatjustice> Can't be pixels. Doesn't look good on different device sizes. It's stored as dp in dimens.xml
Jan 18 08:18:34 <k0nichiwa> and then set the alpha on that layer
Jan 18 08:18:42 <k0nichiwa> or how bout this
Jan 18 08:18:49 <k0nichiwa> make another view, stick it on top of your current view
Jan 18 08:18:58 <k0nichiwa> make it translucent and set the alpha on the biew on top
Jan 18 08:19:55 <greatjustice> Only using one view. The UI thread is only bootstrapping. I can't render on it or performance is real choppy
Jan 18 08:20:10 <greatjustice> using surfaceview full screen
Jan 18 08:20:31 <greatjustice> and its smooth because I use no other views
Jan 18 08:22:03 <k0nichiwa> wow i just rebuilt my ndk library, i deleted my app from the device, and ran it
Jan 18 08:22:13 <k0nichiwa> the stupid thing has a build and date stamp in logcat from an hour ago
Jan 18 08:22:20 <k0nichiwa> that is just weird, how coudl that happen
Jan 18 08:22:26 <greatjustice> I'm just trying to be careful here with sizes because I have no idea how big a shadow actually is
Jan 18 08:22:28 <pencilvania> hi i have a question in viewpager and fragment like google play can antone help me ?
Jan 18 08:22:38 <pencilvania> hi i have a question in viewpager and fragment like google play can antone help me ?
Jan 18 08:22:48 <k0nichiwa> im trying to debug stuff and half the time im using code from an hour ago, no wonder i get confused
Jan 18 08:22:51 <greatjustice> Just ask please
Jan 18 08:23:51 <pencilvania> my problem is in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14301595/what-can-update-this-viewpager
Jan 18 08:24:17 <pencilvania> my viewpager dont update when i change pages
Jan 18 08:24:26 <pencilvania> :-(
Jan 18 08:26:40 <greatjustice> I don't know much about viewpager (yet) but this seems like something ideal for debug with breakpoints
Jan 18 08:28:08 <clever> pencilvania: i have an answer for that somewhere, i think
Jan 18 08:30:59 <clever> pencilvania: first, are you calling dataSetChanged?
Jan 18 08:32:07 <pencilvania> no
Jan 18 08:32:47 <clever> pencilvania: that would be a good place to start then, just not sure if its a public method or an internal one ran by an event
Jan 18 08:33:20 <clever> hmmm, i think you want notifyDataSetChanged within the Adapter subclass
Jan 18 08:41:40 <pencilvania> how can i use notifyDataSetChanged() in my code ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14301595/what-can-update-this-viewpager
Jan 18 08:43:55 <clever> pencilvania: you need to call mAdapter.notifyDataSetChanged() when the data set changes
Jan 18 08:54:37 <ali__> has anyone had any success with styling the overflow menu on a device with a hardware menu button. I need to change the pressed state to orange. Any ideas what attrs/styles to override
Jan 18 08:57:27 <pencilvania> cfv
Jan 18 08:58:46 <studybot_> hi
Jan 18 08:59:17 <studybot_> anyone has problem with AudioRecord::setNotificationMarkerPosition?
Jan 18 08:59:26 <studybot_> I set the marker position
Jan 18 08:59:49 <studybot_> but the callback doesn't get called as noted in the documentation
Jan 18 09:02:26 <g00s> the android docs recommend using a Nexus S for testing http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html
Jan 18 09:03:12 <Leeds> ali__: I could be wrong, but I think I've seen JakeWharton say that the menu on a device with a menu key isn't technically an overflow menu, so you can't style it... or something
Jan 18 09:04:36 <Leeds> but I could be wrong...
Jan 18 09:04:54 <ali__> Leeds: ahh that sucks! I've got everything in a nice orange..
Jan 18 09:04:59 <ali__> JakeWharton: there?
Jan 18 09:05:04 <pencilvania> i have problem please help me
Jan 18 09:05:05 <pencilvania> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14395259/how-can-i-use-notifydatasetchanged-in-this
Jan 18 09:05:30 <g00s> man, no wonder why SO is becoming a shithole
Jan 18 09:06:03 <Leeds> becoming?
Jan 18 09:06:20 <g00s> SO isn't a pastebin pencilvania
Jan 18 09:08:37 <clever> and its bad style to PM people without asking
Jan 18 09:14:52 <linuxuz3r> hi
Jan 18 09:15:19 <linuxuz3r> what does getIntent().getStringExtra("str") do?
Jan 18 09:16:49 <g00s> linuxuz3r: :|
Jan 18 09:16:57 <linuxuz3r> hi g00s
Jan 18 09:17:00 <linuxuz3r> ;p
Jan 18 09:17:01 <g00s> :)
Jan 18 09:17:14 <linuxuz3r> do you know the answer to my question?
Jan 18 09:17:54 <Leeds> linuxuz3r: what do you think it does?
Jan 18 09:18:19 <Leeds> based on your reading of the docs, tutorial code, etc
Jan 18 09:19:17 <linuxuz3r> well i am confused with getIntent but getStringExtra gets the data that is inputed in the intent activity and passed to the main activity
Jan 18 09:19:38 <linuxuz3r> im just confused on what getIntent do
Jan 18 09:20:25 <Leeds> really, you're confused by http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#getIntent()
Jan 18 09:20:57 <pencilvania> how can i use notifydatasetchange() ?
Jan 18 09:20:58 <pencilvania> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14395259/how-can-i-use-notifydatasetchanged-in-this
Jan 18 09:21:16 <pencilvania> how can i use notifydatasetchange() ? in this sample http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14395259/how-can-i-use-notifydatasetchanged-in-this
Jan 18 09:21:29 <StingRay_> pencilvania by calling it on your adapter ???
Jan 18 09:23:49 <StingRay_> pencilvania you must have mistaken what I said for "please pm me so we can have an intimate conversation" .... my apologies if I indicated that, I assure you it was not meant that way
Jan 18 09:24:10 <linuxuz3r> leeds thanks
Jan 18 09:24:19 <linuxuz3r> what do they mean by extended data
Jan 18 09:24:44 <fairuz> Hi guys. Is it possible to speed up app launching in the emulator. Right now, the time it takes from the moment I click on Run as -> Android Application to the application is launched in the emulator is nearly several minutes
Jan 18 09:25:02 <StingRay_> fairuz thats horrific
Jan 18 09:25:10 <StingRay_> emulator problem
Jan 18 09:25:16 <StingRay_> whats logcat saying ?
Jan 18 09:25:20 <StingRay_> sys errors ?
Jan 18 09:25:29 <fairuz> I read somewhere if we muck around in the emulator, it will speed up eventually.
Jan 18 09:25:44 <StingRay_> fairuz what is the host machine spec ?
Jan 18 09:25:48 <fairuz> It does but why, I don't know
Jan 18 09:25:59 <fairuz> StingRay_: 4 cores with 16 GB of ram
Jan 18 09:26:00 <pragma-> fairuz: save a vm snapshot state and just load that state
Jan 18 09:26:06 <fairuz> should be enough
Jan 18 09:26:14 <Maziz> because the avd already been cache
Jan 18 09:26:28 <Maziz> ?
Jan 18 09:26:28 <pragma-> that way you can directly load the state instead of having android boot up
Jan 18 09:26:52 <pragma-> also consider using the x86 android image with virtualization instead of the arm emulation
Jan 18 09:27:30 <pragma-> throw eclipse away and learn how to use command-line
Jan 18 09:27:36 <pragma-> you'll have so much more power
Jan 18 09:28:04 <StingRay_> yeah...but dont like the great responsibility :)
Jan 18 09:28:12 <pencilvania> where is my adapter to call notifydatasetchange () http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14395259/how-can-i-use-notifydatasetchanged-in-this
Jan 18 09:28:42 <pragma-> if you're on windows, install cygwin and putty, and learn how to use vim and the linux commands
Jan 18 09:28:51 <StingRay_> pencilvania I suggest your read a bit more, also looking for the word "adapter" is a good start !
Jan 18 09:29:39 <pragma-> pencilvania: are you the dev that recently released an app update with the change message ""Added ability to select all.  Due to limitations with ListView, scroll to the bottom of the list then back to the top to refresh all the checkboxes." ?
Jan 18 09:30:10 <StingRay_> pencilvania  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/FragmentPagerAdapter.html
Jan 18 09:30:35 <StingRay_> pragma :)
Jan 18 09:30:41 <pragma-> because I just saw an update for one of the apps that I use with that "recent changes"/"what's new" update message...
Jan 18 09:30:54 <StingRay_> pragma market link?
Jan 18 09:31:04 <StingRay_> cause I dont believe you
Jan 18 09:31:18 <StingRay_> lol
Jan 18 09:31:27 <pragma-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jtschohl.androidfirewall&hl=en
Jan 18 09:32:16 <StingRay_> o....m....g
Jan 18 09:32:42 <StingRay_> ok, I believe you :)
Jan 18 09:34:49 <StingRay_> pragma got quite a feww installs, looks like was only released in dec
Jan 18 09:34:55 <g00s> yeah, like i'm going to trust the security of my device and functioning of the firewall to someone that can't use ListView
Jan 18 09:35:26 <pragma-> also md5 hashing for passwords
Jan 18 09:35:59 <p_l> let's guess, straight md5 ;)
Jan 18 09:36:21 <Maziz> lol
Jan 18 09:36:23 <g00s> "Rooted device ..android 2,3,6 what is the wrong?!"
Jan 18 09:36:33 <g00s> wat is the wrong !
Jan 18 09:36:34 <p_l> the grammar, obviously
Jan 18 09:37:07 <Maziz> lol
Jan 18 09:37:36 <Maziz> g00s: maybe he's english but other stuff maybe good? Read the worker who outsource his job to china?
Jan 18 09:37:37 <Maziz> lol
Jan 18 09:37:53 <g00s> yes, saw that
Jan 18 09:38:20 <Leeds> speaking of China - it's almost 6pm, so I declare the weekend OPEN
Jan 18 09:38:31 <p_l> ... what day is today?
Jan 18 09:38:38 <Leeds> beerday
Jan 18 09:38:43 <g00s> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jtschohl.androidfirewall&reviewId=Z3A6QU9xcFRPRThBY3VEN19SU1hfdlRnb056LUlVQ3J1Z2poemZMMTN4cGM2czM4YVdPVy1fQXl2OFZoRTZERHJ3SW9yelo1ZExIUXExSmpqTnZ2ZzJkLU9J
Jan 18 09:38:47 <p_l> ... oh right, it's friday :D
Jan 18 09:38:52 * p_l didn't notice
Jan 18 09:39:49 <Maziz> wow
Jan 18 09:39:50 <Maziz> Because of limitations with ListView after you select or clear all please scroll to the bottom of your list and back to the top. This forces the checkboxes to properly populate. I will hopefully fix this issue in a future build.
Jan 18 09:40:15 <g00s> i hate nondeterministic listviews
Jan 18 09:40:37 <clever> Maziz: i ran into the exact oposite problem when i used listview last
Jan 18 09:40:46 <clever> it was recreating every (visible) item on every ui update
Jan 18 09:41:10 <pragma-> lern to getView() and notifyDataSetChanged()
Jan 18 09:41:41 <Maziz> who's that
Jan 18 09:41:42 <Maziz> Md5 passwords? Limitations with ListView?
Jan 18 09:41:43 <Maziz> More like limitations with developer. It's an poor move to blame the tools when you don't know how to use them. And Md5 hashes are not good enough for password hashing. Use SHA hashing or something better.
Jan 18 09:42:02 <clever> pragma-: in my case, i was not expecting getView to be re-called so often, for items i had already made
Jan 18 09:42:26 <pragma-> it shouldn't get called often
Jan 18 09:42:37 <pragma-> either you're refreshing often or scrolling often or doing it wrong
Jan 18 09:42:49 <clever> pragma-: every time i edited a TextView within the list (causing a layout change), it got re-called
Jan 18 09:42:58 <clever> and i was ignoring the convertView parameter
Jan 18 09:43:24 <clever> every row in the list had ~4 counters, ticking up at once/second
Jan 18 09:44:33 <p_l> Maziz: SHA doesn't help by itself. You need to know how to do hashing of passwords first :)
Jan 18 09:44:55 <Maziz> i took from link
Jan 18 09:44:57 <Maziz> requoting
Jan 18 09:44:58 <Maziz> lol
Jan 18 09:45:28 <p_l> yes
Jan 18 09:45:40 <p_l> but just using SHA doesn't a secure password hash make
Jan 18 09:45:44 <p_l> (just adding salt either)
Jan 18 09:49:03 <pragma-> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/06/how-companies-can-beef-up-password-security/
Jan 18 09:50:29 <g00s> ah, he mentions brypt
Jan 18 09:50:33 <g00s> bCrypt
Jan 18 09:51:33 <g00s> there is jBCrypt … not sure how well it works on android. entropy pool could take a while to fill up
Jan 18 09:51:35 <p_l> bcrypt is an example of a complete password-hashing solution
Jan 18 09:51:46 <p_l> g00s: most importantly it's *slow*
Jan 18 09:52:03 <clever> g00s: i heard reports at one site claiming that replacing /dev/random with a symlink to urandom made everything on android faster
Jan 18 09:52:19 <p_l> so the amount of rounds you can do in pure java is much less than the same device can do in native, thus possibly damaging security
Jan 18 09:52:22 <clever> i think the details of the message got lost quickly as sites repeated it
Jan 18 09:52:36 <clever> pragma-: what about RenderScript?
Jan 18 09:53:47 <clever> p_l: oops, meant to type your name
Jan 18 09:54:25 <p_l> clever: I don't think bcrypt runs well on GPUs
Jan 18 09:55:02 <p_l> case in point is that unlike SHA-1 based hashing schemes, it doesn't use a *quick* hash function, but uses a crypto function known for its loong key setup phase
Jan 18 09:55:37 <pragma-> http://web.archive.org/web/20080822090959/http://www.matasano.com/log/958/enough-with-the-rainbow-tables-what-you-need-to-know-about-secure-password-schemes/
Jan 18 09:55:43 <p_l> (also, back when I used bcrypt on android, renderscript wasn't an option due to being available on veeery limited amount of devices)
Jan 18 09:56:53 <clever> pragma-: one of the web services i help maintain, still stores bare passwords in mysql tables :(
Jan 18 09:56:59 <belgianguy> atm I haven an OpenGL scene in NDK, but now I'd like to add some interaction, I've seen code using ASensorEventQueue, has anyone ever used that?
Jan 18 09:57:08 <clever> pragma-: but ive been moving the entire system towards openid
Jan 18 09:57:16 <pragma-> clever: I suspect most companies do
Jan 18 09:58:10 <pragma-> This is why I use keepass to generate and remember 64-character random passwords for every site I use
Jan 18 09:58:28 <g00s> yeah, i use KeePassX
Jan 18 09:58:37 <clever> pragma-: the project i just mentioned, silently truncates your password to ~16 characters
Jan 18 09:58:38 <pragma-> though a large portion of sites actually limit the maximum password length to sizes as small as 8 characters
Jan 18 09:58:40 <clever> pragma-: then you cant login, because it doesnt match
Jan 18 09:59:23 <g00s> i wish KeePassX was compat with KeePass though :|
Jan 18 09:59:26 <pragma-> some also actually limit it to alpha-numeric only -- no punctuation or other chars
Jan 18 09:59:29 <pragma-> how absurd
Jan 18 09:59:47 <clever> pragma-: crappy attempt at preventing sql injection?
Jan 18 10:00:24 <clever> pragma-: ever heard of bobby tables?
Jan 18 10:00:40 <clever> http://xkcd.com/327/
Jan 18 10:00:41 <pragma-> xkcd?
Jan 18 10:00:44 <clever> yep
Jan 18 10:01:24 <valgrind> Anyone knows an API to do some basic image editing, like changing contrast, highlight edges... ?
Jan 18 10:02:14 <belgianguy> valgrind: OpenCV ?
Jan 18 10:02:20 <belgianguy> (that'd be C++)
Jan 18 10:02:32 <valgrind> ah belgian, do you remember yesterday i was checking for a way to login with google?
Jan 18 10:02:33 <timroes> there is also an Java OpenCV port afaik
Jan 18 10:02:53 <valgrind> ive been playing with the AccountManager thing... works smoothly :)
Jan 18 10:03:00 <belgianguy> yes valgrind I remember that, nice to hear!
Jan 18 10:03:15 <valgrind> pretty easy to get the user to login with gmail and integrate it with google app engine, if you need backend supoort :)
Jan 18 10:03:25 <valgrind> thanx I'll check opencv
Jan 18 10:11:30 <bobsonator> Hey guys, I have an byte [] that is constantly represented as an address when I want to send it over the net (I base64 it) when decoded it returns as an address like [B@2bbe8d08, What gives? Thanks
Jan 18 10:13:36 <fairuz> StingRay_: pragma- But I thought the save state is just for speeding up android boot (or bypass it since the state is saved)
Jan 18 10:13:51 <fairuz> In my case, the avd is already on, and the android is up and running
Jan 18 10:14:10 <asfdd> bobsonator sounds like either you are printing .toString or sending .toString
Jan 18 10:14:30 <fairuz> Just the each time I do some modification and relaunch the app, it takes too much time.
Jan 18 10:15:37 <clever> fairuz: state save is a lot like hibernation, but without informing the guest os at all
Jan 18 10:15:56 <pragma-> fairuz: shrug, I just use adb -e install -r myapp.apk
Jan 18 10:16:02 <bobsonator> asfdd: I don't have any toStrings
Jan 18 10:17:16 <pragma-> bobsonator: use "new String(bytes, offset, length)" to print it
Jan 18 10:17:17 <clever> bobsonator: it gets called automaticaly if a function expects a string, or if you do "string"+object
Jan 18 10:18:15 <bobsonator> asfdd: I take my message and do an encryption on (myMessage.getBytes(UTF-8)), then I base64 it and send that
Jan 18 10:20:32 <progzer> Anyone use crittercism in here?
Jan 18 10:20:42 <fairuz> pragma-: Ok will try it.
Jan 18 10:21:25 <progzer> If so, how do you identify (or "name") your bugs? It doesn't seem to assign an id to each of them.
Jan 18 10:21:58 <progzer> In my repo, I want to include in the commit message "fixes bug (crittercism-id)"
Jan 18 10:22:40 <progzer> Hmm I guess I can use the first occurred time.
Jan 18 10:22:50 <Zharf> has there ever been an android device with GLES 1.0?
Jan 18 10:23:09 <asfdd> bobsonator how do you print the return value?
Jan 18 10:23:27 <bobsonator> asfdd: I'm trying the new String method, I think that's going to work
Jan 18 10:23:27 <asfdd> if you jsut do sout(byte[]) then that prints the .toString() of the object
Jan 18 10:23:35 <asfdd> for arrays that seems to be what you are doing
Jan 18 10:23:50 <asfdd> try sout(new String(byte[])); instead
Jan 18 10:24:02 <asfdd> yeah it will
Jan 18 10:25:20 <Gavilan2> Anyonee ever used titanum sdk? what do you think? how slow is it?
Jan 18 10:26:00 <progzer> I think Titanium builds native code, Gavilan2?
Jan 18 10:26:58 <progzer> Prototyed a simple app once and it seemed fine. Not done something like a game where I might've noticed it being "slow".
Jan 18 10:27:42 <Gavilan2> progzer: I'm not talking about a game, but about a serious bussiness app...
Jan 18 10:29:45 <brx_> Had enough im going outside to build an android snowman
Jan 18 10:29:59 <Gavilan2> O_o
Jan 18 10:36:14 <fairuz> pragma-: A lot more faster installing with adb.
Jan 18 10:36:20 <bobsonator> asfdd, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong now, I did encryption.encrypt(message.getBytes("UTF-8"), then did new String[] { Hex.encode(ciphertext, ascii) and then sent the new string [0] over and decrypted it, and sitll an address is there
Jan 18 10:36:23 <fairuz> thanks :)
Jan 18 10:38:28 <lapdis> Im working with a project that is using several external libraries (that are not available via maven). What is best practice when using revision control (git in my case)? Should I put all the projects/libraries in the same folder and revision control it? Or how do I approach this?
Jan 18 10:39:23 <pacior> you may create a lib folder and then add it to git,
Jan 18 10:39:32 <fairuz> lapdis: If each external lib has their own version control. I suggest put them as sub-modules
Jan 18 10:39:48 <fairuz> so you can update them when they have updates in the tree
Jan 18 10:40:19 <lapdis> is that a feature in git? Didn't know about that, gonna check it out.
Jan 18 10:40:38 <fairuz> lapdis: Yes.
Jan 18 10:40:57 <lapdis> thanks :)
Jan 18 10:43:38 <fairuz> lapdis: It's a very nice feature to separate external code in your project.
Jan 18 10:44:00 <fairuz> separate in git point of view*
Jan 18 10:45:23 <linuxuz3r> intents are cool
Jan 18 10:49:44 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 18 10:50:12 <Parhs> my application cant connect to the internet
Jan 18 10:50:18 <Parhs> although the emulator has internet
Jan 18 10:50:23 <Parhs> i mean it works at browser
Jan 18 10:50:33 <Parhs> and at physical device
Jan 18 10:50:57 <linuxuz3r> hi Parhs
Jan 18 10:51:20 <bobsonator> asfdd: why is it still printing an addr?
Jan 18 10:51:23 <Zharf> does it have internet permission
Jan 18 10:52:18 <Parhs>   <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.INTERNET" />
Jan 18 10:52:18 <Parhs>     <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE" />
Jan 18 10:52:21 <Parhs> it has these two
Jan 18 10:55:18 <Zharf> what is it doing then? crashing? just nothing?
Jan 18 10:56:36 <Gumboot> password talk...
Jan 18 10:56:45 <Parhs> i get crash
Jan 18 10:56:45 <Gumboot> I thought rainbow tables were more advanced these days.
Jan 18 10:57:01 <belgianguy> Parhs: logcat?
Jan 18 10:57:37 <Parhs> it doesnt say much. i puted a Log.e to see what is tha error :)
Jan 18 10:58:00 <belgianguy> well in the console it should at least say why it crashed
Jan 18 10:58:01 <Zharf> Parhs, networkonmainthreadexception?
Jan 18 10:58:05 <Parhs> i dont have usb cables now (i have spent 50 euros at usb cables)
Jan 18 10:58:12 <Parhs> waiting for debuger
Jan 18 10:58:53 <Parhs> null pointer exception it says
Jan 18 10:59:04 <Zharf> then fix it
Jan 18 10:59:06 <Zharf> :)
Jan 18 10:59:29 <Parhs> the problem is that this happen only at debugger
Jan 18 10:59:41 <Zharf> I doubt that...
Jan 18 10:59:53 <belgianguy> Parhs: debugging on a real device?
Jan 18 10:59:57 <Parhs> or maybe the library for connection isnt compatible
Jan 18 11:00:03 <Parhs> no real but at emulator
Jan 18 11:00:18 <Parhs> because i have given my usb cables and waiting to get the new one
Jan 18 11:01:01 <belgianguy> I don't know if networking can be tested as well on a emulator
Jan 18 11:01:22 <Zharf> sure it can
Jan 18 11:01:37 <belgianguy> as I faced some issues with a networking library earlier
Jan 18 11:01:41 <Savuud> Hello! I have extended a BaseAdapter and attached it to an AutoCompleteTextView. In my onItemClickListener, what is the best way to get a reference to the AutoCompleteTextView the adapter is serving?
Jan 18 11:02:58 <Parhs> connectivity seems a bit slow in android
Jan 18 11:03:04 <belgianguy> Parhs: at what point does it crash?
Jan 18 11:03:09 <belgianguy> on which line?
Jan 18 11:03:37 <Zharf> belgianguy, I never had problems with networking on emulators
Jan 18 11:03:48 <Parhs> although server responds in 7ms it takes 100ms for android. maybe tcp delay fucking algorithm.. but at ipod it was lighting fast
Jan 18 11:04:06 <Parhs> com.turbomanage.httpclient.BasicHttpClient  i use this library
Jan 18 11:04:43 <Parhs> 	String s = httpResponse.getBodyAsString();  here it crashes
Jan 18 11:05:03 <lordmegamax> Hi guys! Can you give me a link or boor where I can find how to share responsibilities between the classes.. how to determine what tasks should be decided by each class?
Jan 18 11:05:15 <lordmegamax> *or book
Jan 18 11:05:15 <belgianguy> should check first if there is a response, and after that if it is HTTP OK (200)
Jan 18 11:06:41 <belgianguy> and is the body guaranteed to be filled?
Jan 18 11:07:17 <belgianguy> I'd say try and find the HTTP response's status first, to see if the server accepted and returned
Jan 18 11:07:43 <Parhs> i am running the apk at mobile and works
Jan 18 11:07:59 <Parhs> and ipod works with same server returns 100% data
Jan 18 11:08:40 <Zharf> Parhs, doesn't mean you can't ignore network errors and other stuff like that
Jan 18 11:09:07 <belgianguy> I want to integrate accelerometer data into my NDK project, and I saw I need to use ALooper* looper = ALooper_forThread();
Jan 18 11:09:26 <belgianguy> which then fills an eventqueue and calls upon callbacks at a certain frequency
Jan 18 11:09:33 <ahhughes> hey, I cant find an example of a camera preview that actually works. Anyone got any suggestions?
Jan 18 11:10:00 <belgianguy> this frequency probably is higher than my onDrawFrame() function, so should I put the Input handling in a seperate thread?
Jan 18 11:11:16 <belgianguy> as otherwise this input handling would end up in the draw function itself, which I don't think is good for the program flow
Jan 18 11:11:54 <belgianguy> but alas, I can't find any examples of such usage
Jan 18 11:14:45 <ahhughes> damn, whatever I am doing wrong with the camera even crashes my machine
Jan 18 11:17:21 <belgianguy> huh, the POSIX thread in the NDK don't implement read/write locks? :/
Jan 18 11:17:59 <v1c3> good morning/evening, i just installed the adt, eclipse, android sdk and wikitude sdk. when opening one of the sample projects of wikitude, i get the following error: Description	Resource	Path	Location	Type
Jan 18 11:17:59 <v1c3> Project 'SimpleIRExampleActivity' is missing required library: 'libs/QCAR.jar'	SimpleIRExampleActivity		Build path	Build Path Problem
Jan 18 11:17:59 <v1c3> Didn't found anything on google.. the QCAR.JAR isn't included in the sample project. The wikitude guide only told me to import the sample project and it should work. any ideas to solve the problem?
Jan 18 11:18:54 <StingRay_> v1c3 add that library from the wikitude sdk
Jan 18 11:19:19 <StingRay_> probably in wikitudeSDKlocation/lib
Jan 18 11:19:28 <StingRay_> though never used that sdk
Jan 18 11:22:15 <v1c3> i searched the whole directory for "QCAR.jar". unfortunately it don't exist
Jan 18 11:22:52 <v1c3> +es
Jan 18 11:22:58 <g00s> http://www.jarfinder.com/
Jan 18 11:23:01 <StingRay_> http://code.google.com/p/armd2011/source/browse/trunk/armd2011/libs/qcar/?r=670 <--- ?
Jan 18 11:23:09 <StingRay_> augmented reality ?
Jan 18 11:23:23 <v1c3> thanks!
Jan 18 11:23:28 <v1c3> StingRay_: yes
Jan 18 11:23:44 <Savuud> Anyone who has experience with getting the view the adapter is serving?
Jan 18 11:23:46 <g00s> oops, jarfinder didn't find anything
Jan 18 11:24:00 <StingRay_> g00s hand that though
Jan 18 11:24:02 <ertl> hello guys, I'm developing a Service to get GPS fixes and process them. Right now I'm using requestLocationUpdates() to choose my mintime and mindistance parameters and I have a TimerTask which run every five minutes to get GPS data and send them to a remote server. All works fine, but I have a problem: if GPS coordinates are near a certaint point I'd like to *change* the mintime and mindistance values, but I can't do that inside a TimerTask
Jan 18 11:24:04 <StingRay_> handy*
Jan 18 11:25:11 <ertl> I know I can't because the Timer is using a new thread, but I can't find a way to avoid this problem, any suggestions? thanks
Jan 18 11:30:29 <Savuud> ertl: Just because I'm curious... you want to update the criteria used in requestLocationUpdates?
Jan 18 11:31:37 <v1c3> ok QCAR.jar problem solved! thanks!
Jan 18 11:32:01 <ertl> Savuud: exactly. To avoid battery draining I'm firing up GPS, obtaining a fix and then shutting it down for five minutes. I'd like to keep it always on when I'm near a certain location and then going back to the old values.
Jan 18 11:32:13 <v1c3> now i get this error: Could not find SimpleIRExampleActivity.apk (sorry i'm new to the android corner..)
Jan 18 11:34:20 <ertl> Savuud: We're giving Android tablets to truck drivers to track their position on a google map, so an update every five minutes is fine. Unfortunately we need to know when they pass a certain place, but at that moment the GPS could be off, so when I'm near it I'd like to keep it ON.
Jan 18 11:36:12 <Savuud> ertl: So the problem is that you want to activate the GPS when the GPS is off whenever the user is withing a certain area
Jan 18 11:36:20 <Savuud> ertl: did I understand that correctly?
Jan 18 11:36:37 <Ge0rG> ertl: I solved it by making a service getting the location updates, and the service cann just call requestLocationUpdates() from the update callback with time=0
Jan 18 11:36:59 <Ge0rG> and switch back to the time=5min whenever it is appropriate
Jan 18 11:38:42 <Savuud> ertl: I'm puzzled by how you would know that the user is within a location when the GPS is off. I guess you could track the user by frequently going through all the providers and getting the last known location from each provider
Jan 18 11:39:07 <Savuud> ertl: my two cents atleast
Jan 18 11:39:12 <Gavilan2> Savuud: You can track it by it's ip addresss
Jan 18 11:39:44 <Gavilan2> the google car that takes photos, also market the exact location of each wifi router available at the moment...
Jan 18 11:39:44 <Savuud> Gavilan2: Yep, if you have an IP address.. which is not always the case
Jan 18 11:40:01 <Gavilan2> and now when you connect to google with a gps, they know the new location of that router...
Jan 18 11:40:12 <Gavilan2> so if you know which routers are around you, google can guess pretty well where you are at...
Jan 18 11:40:35 <p_l> that's still secondary to Cell triangulation, most of the time
Jan 18 11:40:45 <ertl> Savuud: no, wait. Every time I collect a GPS fix I'm using a distancebetween() method to check if that fix is near the place I'm interested it. If no then we can continue with the old criteria, but if we have a distance < 10km then I'd like to change them.
Jan 18 11:41:12 <Savuud> Gavilan2: True.. but if you are in the dessert there might not be a wi-fi available. Therefore I said that one should loop through all the providers.. WI-FI, cell triangulation, GPS.. etc
Jan 18 11:41:23 <ertl> Ge0rG: sounds really interesting, could you show your code? thanks.
Jan 18 11:41:58 <Savuud> ertl: So it's really just a question of updating the Criteria reference?
Jan 18 11:42:19 <Savuud> ertl: Couldn't the Criteria object be a static reference then?
Jan 18 11:42:22 <ertl> Savuud: yep, but remember that I'm inside a TimerTask ...
Jan 18 11:42:47 <ertl> Savuud: and I'm getting an Exception because it's a new thread
Jan 18 11:43:33 <Savuud> ertl: Ok, what about using message handlers to update the Criteria object in the other thread?
Jan 18 11:44:04 <Savuud> ertl: Dispatch a message with the correct what(int) and then on the other side listen to this and update the static from there...
Jan 18 11:44:34 <Savuud> ertl: I'm just an Android newbie.. but I would try that approach
Jan 18 11:45:38 <ertl> Savuud: it's what I was asking, possible solutions. I'm much more a newbie than everyone, so I was hitting the wall with my head ... I'll read message handlers documentation, thank you
Jan 18 11:46:16 <Savuud> ertl: I guess you can do a broadcast as well... and not having the implement the handlers and stuff
Jan 18 11:47:02 <Ge0rG> ertl: are you scared by scala? https://github.com/ge0rg/aprsdroid/blob/master/src/location/PeriodicGPS.scala
Jan 18 11:47:54 <Zharf> my application can be sometimes started by clicking on a notification and that notification has an extra that I use to do something specific... but after doing that I don't want to do it anymore until the notification is tapped again... but if I rotate the device the application will get that same intent again with the same extra... can I remove this somehow? getIntent.removeExtra("foo"); doesn't help
Jan 18 11:48:13 <Ge0rG> ertl: the code logic is as follows: request a fix every 10min, then stay on for 30s to obtain better position data, then deliver and set 10min again
Jan 18 11:48:30 <Zharf> getIntent().removeExtra("foo") that is
Jan 18 11:48:37 <ertl> Ge0rG: nothing can scare you more than teaching 150 truck drivers how to use an Android tablet :) ... thanks a lot! :)
Jan 18 11:49:40 <Ge0rG> ertl: my condolence... ;>
Jan 18 11:56:41 <belgianguy> dammit, I want some object in my OpenGL world to react to the accelerometer in NDK
Jan 18 11:57:22 <belgianguy> but pthreads are not fully implemented, and so far I only have the onDraw method, where the world gets drawn which gets called repeatedly
Jan 18 11:58:05 <belgianguy> and I think polling the sensors in the draw method will be awful for performance
Jan 18 11:58:06 <Savuud> belgianguy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6457768/moving-an-image-using-accelerometer-of-android
Jan 18 11:59:18 <belgianguy> Savuud: thanks, but the brunt of my code is in C++, I think jumping back to Java only to pass me back those results probably would be expensive as well
Jan 18 12:00:54 <belgianguy> I was looking at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8989686/access-faster-polling-accelerometer-via-nativeactivity-ndk
Jan 18 12:01:09 <belgianguy> but the while(1) worries me that this needs its own execution thread
Jan 18 12:05:11 <belgianguy> but then I read that the Bionic POSIX threads don't have read/write protections in place
Jan 18 12:05:45 <belgianguy> so I either have to link in the real pthreads, or use boost threads I guess (I'm alreay using boost for another feature)
Jan 18 12:06:11 <Chainfire> what do you mean by read/write protection
Jan 18 12:06:37 <belgianguy> Chainfire: hang on, I'll get the citation
Jan 18 12:07:16 <belgianguy> Chainfire: http://mobilepearls.com/labs/native-android-api/
Jan 18 12:07:38 <belgianguy> and then Ctrl + F  for "POSIX threads (pthreads)"
Jan 18 12:09:38 <belgianguy> they state that the Bionic implementation is a subset of the full POSIX, and that there's no pthread_cancel and no read/write locks
Jan 18 12:11:42 <belgianguy> and that makes it hard to make a seperate "input handler" thread in my eyes, as I was planning on using mutexes
Jan 18 12:14:08 <belgianguy> this is supposedly an overview of what mutexes _are_ supported: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2282949/bionic-android-libc-mutex-variants
Jan 18 12:14:25 <MrMaffen> is there any good way to directly pass a json object to my javascript which i
Jan 18 12:14:36 <MrMaffen> have connted with an javascriptinterface to my webview
Jan 18 12:14:36 <belgianguy> but that's a bit outside of my realm of knowledge
Jan 18 12:14:50 <MrMaffen> connected*
Jan 18 12:15:26 <Chainfire> belgianguy interesting
Jan 18 12:15:35 <Chainfire> seems like issues that would not be very hard to work around though
Jan 18 12:15:49 <MrMaffen> currently i'm using the following method within my javascriptinterface http://paste.kde.org/650336/
Jan 18 12:16:10 <Savuud> Ok, I have a pretty simple (I think) question and I've been searching without any luck. I have an onItemClickListener registered for an AutoCompleteTextView and when this answers, how do I get the reference to the AutoCompleteTextView instance?
Jan 18 12:16:21 <MrMaffen> however ... inside my js i can't retrieve the value that is associated with my "scriptPath" key
Jan 18 12:17:01 <belgianguy> Chainfire: and what would be the most effective here, linking in another library?
Jan 18 12:17:25 <Chainfire> I'm not a real fan of that
Jan 18 12:17:32 <Chainfire> I would probably just fake the functionality through custom code
Jan 18 12:17:53 <MrMaffen> Savuud: You should be able to retrieve your textview from the second argument of your onItemClick method.
Jan 18 12:17:58 <MrMaffen> it should be a reference to the clicked view
Jan 18 12:18:26 <belgianguy> it's just to read out the accelerometer on a different thread, which then would be readable by the other thread, which draws the GL scene
Jan 18 12:19:28 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Yep, I get the reference to the view the user has clicked. However I want to get a reference to the AutoCompleteTextView that will be updated with the data the user has selected from the list
Jan 18 12:20:04 <Chainfire> belgianguy and you absolutely need an rwlock for that? without thinking about that in-depth, seems perfectly doable to me with normal locks
Jan 18 12:21:20 <nanaki> does anyone else find eclipse getting buggy and slow as hell when editing android xml files?
Jan 18 12:21:24 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Does that make sense? :)
Jan 18 12:21:32 <MrMaffen> Savuud: if i understand you correctly, you should store the reference to the AutoCompleteTextView that should be updated inside your onItemClickListener
Jan 18 12:21:37 <belgianguy> Chainfire: well a regular lock would probably ensure me a critical section
Jan 18 12:21:53 <MrMaffen> how else would the method know which AutoCompleteTextView it is associated with
Jan 18 12:22:58 <Chainfire> i got to run so no time to discuss right now, but I don't see the problem
Jan 18 12:23:13 <belgianguy> Chainfire: I'll figure something out :) thanks for the help
Jan 18 12:24:33 <Savuud> MrMaffen: The thing is, that I have two AutoCompleteTextView fields and one onItemClick listener that handles both of them. I just need to understand how Android knows in the background which AutoCompleteTextField it will update when an item is clicked.
Jan 18 12:29:14 <Syzygy> rect1.contains(rect2) will this be true for partial overlaps?
Jan 18 12:30:59 <Syzygy> oh, I see, there's intersects for that
Jan 18 12:40:04 <vuln> I have my layout. I was wondering if I can insert a listview below the information I already have.
Jan 18 12:42:21 <Savuud> vuln: Did you try and what happened when you tried?
Jan 18 12:43:11 <vuln> it closed
Jan 18 12:43:24 <vuln> when I clicked the button to go to the window with the listview it crashed.
Jan 18 12:44:02 <Savuud> vuln: It would help to get the context of what you are trying to achieve. Describe the app and use a codepaste service so we can look at the code
Jan 18 12:44:11 <vuln> Ok.
Jan 18 12:44:33 <Savuud> :)
Jan 18 12:44:42 <vuln> The activity LoggedIn has a TextEdit. When the user click Publish the content of the TextEdit will appear at another activity
Jan 18 12:44:59 <vuln> It happens. But I want to show it in a ListView, cause teh way it's done now it's ugly
Jan 18 12:45:02 <vuln> haha
Jan 18 12:45:48 <Savuud> vuln: ok, so you want to update the text from one activity to fill the values in a ListView that recides in another activity
Jan 18 12:46:19 <vuln> Yes.
Jan 18 12:46:21 <vuln> I've never worked with ListView, though
Jan 18 12:46:23 <vuln> That's why I'm a bit lost.
Jan 18 12:46:57 <Savuud> vuln: I would perhaps try to store the data in the Intent and when onCreate in the other activity, create the ListView object and attach it to the viewgroup defined in your layout XML
Jan 18 12:47:03 <Savuud> vuln: my two cents
Jan 18 12:48:42 <Savuud> vuln: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Jan 18 12:49:05 <vuln> I already rad it
Jan 18 12:49:27 <vuln> Ok, my issue here is 'creating hte livewview object and attaching it to the viewgroup defined in the layout XML"
Jan 18 12:49:30 <vuln> read*
Jan 18 12:49:55 <StingRay_> is there any way to debug / test  different lifeCycle calls ? Like something in the emulator control I can say, "ooo this app is now "x circumstance"" ?
Jan 18 12:50:09 <StingRay_> and if not, why? would that not be good to have ?
Jan 18 12:51:24 <StingRay_> vuln pastebin your code or something, maybe some1 could help you better and suggest things to read etc if they knew what/how your doing
Jan 18 12:51:59 <vuln> k
Jan 18 12:52:11 <vuln> but there are three activities more res files =/
Jan 18 12:52:17 <vuln> it will be like hell to understand and read everything
Jan 18 12:52:17 <Savuud> vuln: I think it is just a question of finding the view you want to add the ListView object to.. and then create the ListView object by "new ListView(context)" and myView.add(listViewRef);
Jan 18 12:52:33 <vuln> that's it?
Jan 18 12:52:45 <Savuud> vuln: hehe.. I think so..
Jan 18 12:53:12 <StingRay_> well to attach data to the listView you need an adapter also
Jan 18 12:53:14 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 18 12:53:43 <StingRay_> vuln why not just pastebin the exception information then ?
Jan 18 12:54:04 <Savuud> StingRay_: Yep, that's true.. but atleast he would have an empty ListView :)
Jan 18 12:54:27 <StingRay_> Savuud with little or no visual way to indicate such  ;)
Jan 18 12:54:51 <Savuud> StingRay_: also true... :p
Jan 18 12:55:50 <vuln> LinearLayout MyView = (LinearLayout) findViewById(R.id.loggedlayout);
Jan 18 12:55:55 <vuln> ListView lista = new ListView(this);
Jan 18 12:55:59 <vuln> MyView.add(lista);
Jan 18 12:56:06 <vuln> It says there is no .add method =/
Jan 18 12:56:16 <StingRay_> errr
Jan 18 12:56:24 <Savuud> vuln: addView?
Jan 18 12:56:59 <Savuud> vuln: As StingRay_ said.. you should initialize a simple array adapter with the data you want to display
Jan 18 12:57:43 <StingRay_> I think pointing him to a listView into tutorial would be a good idea
Jan 18 12:59:02 <StingRay_> vuln  : http://developerlife.com/tutorials/?p=327 <-- read and understand
Jan 18 12:59:14 <Savuud> vuln: Check out http://www.androidhive.info/2011/10/android-listview-tutorial/ also
Jan 18 12:59:17 <vuln> ty
Jan 18 12:59:21 <Savuud> :)
Jan 18 12:59:42 <StingRay_> actually reading more on the link i sent,,   ignore mine
Jan 18 13:02:28 <vuln> Hm.. so the thing about ListView is that they can be 'clicked'
Jan 18 13:02:43 <vuln> I dont really need that. All I need is a fancy and organized way to display messages
Jan 18 13:03:20 <Savuud> vuln: LinearLayout?
Jan 18 13:04:26 * Savuud is away
Jan 18 13:04:26 <MrMaffen> I'm searching for a good way to pass an JSONObject to my javascript function. Can anybody hint me on how i could do that?
Jan 18 13:04:57 <MrMaffen> simply using a method like public JSONObject getObject(){...} doesn't seem to work
Jan 18 13:05:28 <MrMaffen> of course I'm using a javaScriptInterface to expose this getObject()[...} method to my javascript function
Jan 18 13:06:12 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Is this what you are looking for? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10114993/how-to-pass-json-formatted-data-from-a-webview-to-a-html-page
Jan 18 13:11:57 <MrMaffen> Savuud: unfortunately not :S. i've already been able to pass a json formatted string to my javascript file. but the javascript function can't work with it
Jan 18 13:12:28 <MrMaffen> i instead want to pass a json object directly to my javascript function, so that i can directly with the values in it
Jan 18 13:12:59 <MrMaffen> for now i have to assume that i'll need to explicitely parse the json string inside my javascript
Jan 18 13:13:18 <MrMaffen> and my questions to that all is: is there any way to directly pass a valid jsonobject to my javascript function ?
Jan 18 13:15:08 <Savuud> MrMaffen: for me that sounds like a potential security risk of that was allowed... Why can't the javascript work with the string data?
Jan 18 13:15:20 <Savuud> s/of/if
Jan 18 13:16:29 <MrMaffen> Savuud: it of course can work with the string data. but i don't want to pass string data to my javascript. i want to pass an object on which i can work.
Jan 18 13:16:52 <MrMaffen> and therefore i think i'll need to parse the string data into an object first
Jan 18 13:17:12 <Savuud> MrMaffen: to preserve memory? Can't you pass a reference to a function that holds the string data?
Jan 18 13:18:23 <Savuud> MrMaffen: there you could also build "helper" methods that could parse the string and be more "object" like
Jan 18 13:19:17 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 18 13:19:24 <Parhs> should i use async task for everything?
Jan 18 13:19:33 <Parhs> every method  a new async task ?
Jan 18 13:19:33 <Savuud> Parhs: Yes!
Jan 18 13:19:40 <Parhs> wow overkill
Jan 18 13:19:47 <timroes> Parhs: ofc not :)
Jan 18 13:20:00 <Savuud> Parhs: hehe.. it depends... if the task would make the screen and UI laggy
Jan 18 13:20:10 <Savuud> lol
Jan 18 13:20:12 <Parhs> but i have some network operation and i cant run at main thread because i get exception
Jan 18 13:20:30 <Parhs> android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
Jan 18 13:20:34 <Savuud> Yep
Jan 18 13:20:49 <Parhs> so that mean that every single network thing (about 30 calls)
Jan 18 13:20:54 <Parhs> should be wrapped in a class?
Jan 18 13:20:56 <timroes> thats something you could handle with asynctask
Jan 18 13:21:31 <Pfhoenix> you don't want to be doing networking stuff on your main thread anyways
Jan 18 13:21:32 <timroes> parhs really depends on what your code does and your overall stucture, your question is like "should I buy a new car"
Jan 18 13:21:54 <Savuud> Parhs: You can just create a small class implementing Runnable and start a new Thread with the code that does the network thing
Jan 18 13:22:15 <Parhs> not it is if the only way to handle my case is to create AsyncTask objects
Jan 18 13:22:25 <Parhs> class
Jan 18 13:22:38 <Savuud> Parhs: AsyncTask is like one of several ways of solving this
Jan 18 13:22:46 <Parhs> other way ?
Jan 18 13:23:00 <Savuud> Parhs: You could also create a new Thread manually as I said
Jan 18 13:23:23 <MrMaffen> Savuud: i want to do something like that: http://paste.kde.org/650354/ i hope that clears up my intentions
Jan 18 13:24:32 <MrMaffen> through my getData() method i could then directly access the content of the scriptPath variable
Jan 18 13:24:46 <MrMaffen> therefore i'm passing a JSONObject to my javascript function
Jan 18 13:25:07 <StingRay_> MrMaffen are your sure it's a JSONObject ?
Jan 18 13:25:15 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Not sure if that is possible at all.. My first though is that we are talking about two languages and you are expecting javascript to be handle to handle a Java object out of the box
Jan 18 13:25:31 <Savuud> s/though/thought
Jan 18 13:25:33 <StingRay_> as int {"sdas":"asda"}  rather than a json array ?
Jan 18 13:25:48 <StingRay_> [{}{}{}]
Jan 18 13:26:15 <MrMaffen> "{\"scriptPath\":\""+mScriptResolver.getScriptFilePath()+"\"}" is a valid JSON object
Jan 18 13:26:23 <StingRay_> fair play
Jan 18 13:26:58 <MrMaffen> i've checked on http://jsonlint.com/
Jan 18 13:27:05 <ring3> hi
Jan 18 13:27:51 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Do you know for a fact that you can access java objects like this in JavaScript?
Jan 18 13:28:27 <MrMaffen> Savuud: no i don't ... but i'm not sure. and i'm still hoping it's possible
Jan 18 13:28:41 <MrMaffen> in qt/c++ this definitely is possible
Jan 18 13:28:52 <MrMaffen> you can simply pass a QVariantMap there
Jan 18 13:29:19 <mikedg> spend 30 minutes debugging a formula
Jan 18 13:29:26 <mikedg> realize it's not even being used...
Jan 18 13:29:28 <mikedg> cry
Jan 18 13:29:41 <MrMaffen> mikedg: *hug*
Jan 18 13:29:54 <Savuud> MrMaffen: ok, never heard of it.. but if it's possible then it's really cool. Just very unsure if this memory pool is even shared that much... and I'm certain it could be exploited
Jan 18 13:30:36 <MrMaffen> Savuud: so in conclusion you're saying that i will need to explicitely parse the passed string
Jan 18 13:31:07 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Well.. I have never worked with javascript running in a WebView, but that would be my guess atleast
Jan 18 13:31:14 <mikedg> and of course the IDE didn't pick it up because the developer decided to do float blabla = 0.0; blablab = some complex formula;
Jan 18 13:31:22 <Savuud> MrMaffen: Should be straightforward enough though...
Jan 18 13:31:41 <mikedg> i'm sitting here going this is totally wrong in every case imaginable how could this be working, oh it's not actually getting used
Jan 18 13:35:14 <jimi_hendrix> am i allowed to change the UI from a Runnable passed to a Handler via a post method?
Jan 18 13:42:53 <MrMaffen> Savuud: thanks for helping out
Jan 18 13:46:32 <squ> how to clear backstack when finishing activity (not when starting)
Jan 18 13:47:59 <Savuud> MrMaffen: you are very welcome :)
Jan 18 13:48:34 <Savuud> jimi_hendrix: what?
Jan 18 13:49:51 <jimi_hendrix> Savuud, nvm. found my issue
Jan 18 13:52:52 <belgianguy> Nokia put 3D models of its covers online, for people to print them
Jan 18 13:52:55 <belgianguy> that's a nice idea
Jan 18 13:53:12 <belgianguy> (3d printing)
Jan 18 13:54:10 <Savuud> belgianguy: I've been looking to buy a 3D printer for a long time now.. Can you suggest one? :)
Jan 18 13:54:54 <belgianguy> Savuud: oh, I'm not accustomed to 3D printing, I've followed it for a while, at the time the makerbot was the go-to printer, but since there are new candidates as well
Jan 18 13:56:23 <belgianguy> I mean the 3D cover is nice, but you'd need to be able to etch them or draw/paste vinyl on them to make them stand out
Jan 18 13:56:27 <Savuud> belgianguy: yep, seems like there is a new 3D printer appearing on the market quite often... and often they are small budget companies and the queue to get one is just ridicoulus or they are too expensive.
Jan 18 13:56:34 <Savuud> Would love to have one though :)
Jan 18 13:57:10 <belgianguy> Savuud: yeah, it's a market that changes very rapidly, I remember them just being able to print white, nowadays there's more options in color etc
Jan 18 13:57:48 <belgianguy> I'd like to see some options where one could colorize such covers or adorn them in other ways (vinyl/stickers)
Jan 18 13:58:08 <belgianguy> or etch out the Android logo
Jan 18 13:59:02 <Savuud> belgianguy: that would be cool :)
Jan 18 13:59:41 <belgianguy> but the machines to do that are usually huge and have to be programmed in a very specific way
Jan 18 14:00:17 <belgianguy> CNC machines they're called IIRC
Jan 18 14:04:52 <HDroid> Can't a 3D printer simply print (or rather, omit a few layers for) the logo?
Jan 18 14:06:05 <p_l> CNC is different stuff than 3D printer, but full fabricators would have CNC and printer together
Jan 18 14:06:26 <spobat> can I load an activity in the background (because it takes 2-3 seconds until it's there..) and then QUICKLY switch from the current to the other activity?
Jan 18 14:07:25 <triptec> Hello, I got a PagerViews with a ListFragment in each, those ListFragments that implements LoaderCallbacks. I use the loaderManager but when the data is updated in a asynctask how do I reload the loaders?
Jan 18 14:07:30 <HDroid> spobat: better to fix the thing that makes it take 2-3 seconds, or if it's unfixable, start and display the activity with a loader of some sorts that disappears when it finishes loading.
Jan 18 14:08:24 <spobat> okay1
Jan 18 14:10:28 <squ> how to force newView to be called for each row of ListView ?
Jan 18 14:12:11 <StingRay_> squ there is a method on a listView called newView ?
Jan 18 14:13:22 <squ> yes
Jan 18 14:13:41 <squ> I'm seeing it like your nickname now
Jan 18 14:14:03 <timroes> squ link to the method you mean
Jan 18 14:14:26 <StingRay_> <-- shocked!
Jan 18 14:14:34 <StingRay_> i dont have that   :)
Jan 18 14:16:04 <squ> timroes, I'm switching layouts depending on a condition inside newView
Jan 18 14:16:19 <timroes> please link in the reference to the newView method you mean
Jan 18 14:16:21 <squ> 			view = mInflater.inflate(R.layout.list_type_2, parent, false);
Jan 18 14:16:26 <ad2> My first post about something related to dev & Android: https://plus.google.com/115462329892247078112/posts/2B1fpKQWFmG <o/
Jan 18 14:16:44 <squ> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/CursorAdapter.html#newView(android.content.Context,%20android.database.Cursor,%20android.view.ViewGroup)
Jan 18 14:16:58 <timroes> okay so on cursoradapter not on listview
Jan 18 14:17:02 <StingRay_> lol
Jan 18 14:17:04 <squ> :)
Jan 18 14:17:42 <squ> problem is that newView is not called when cursor is changed
Jan 18 14:17:59 <squ> only in case when the new cursor has more rows than previous
Jan 18 14:18:04 <timroes> perhaps you want to override getView
Jan 18 14:18:39 <timroes> call super.getView... and modify the view as you need to modify it
Jan 18 14:19:34 <squ> hm ok
Jan 18 14:20:04 <squ> then I can drop newView at all?
Jan 18 14:20:08 <pacior> somebody know how to retrieve picture frame from specified video without mediadataretriever?
Jan 18 14:20:15 <squ> leave getView + bindView
Jan 18 14:20:30 <timroes> squ: you could, if you want to generate the view also in getView
Jan 18 14:20:43 <mikedg_> dear god, apple created a monster when it allowed ios programmers to use blocks
Jan 18 14:20:52 <timroes> but you could also use newview (what you anyway must override) to generate the views, and getView just to modify them
Jan 18 14:22:11 <lov> mikedg_: What do you mean? Are we talking about duplo or what
Jan 18 14:22:19 <mikedg_> lego
Jan 18 14:22:23 <lov> classy
Jan 18 14:22:50 <pacior> how to use class from api 10 in api level 8 ?
Jan 18 14:22:58 <lov> pacior: reflection, factory patterns
Jan 18 14:22:59 <mikedg_> http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/cocoa/Conceptual/Blocks/Articles/bxGettingStarted.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40007502-CH7-SW1
Jan 18 14:23:16 <squ> timroes, another approach is to switch adapters on ListView
Jan 18 14:23:18 <timroes> pacior: you can't?
Jan 18 14:23:40 <timroes> squ: do you just want to change the representation (view) of the data?
Jan 18 14:23:44 <timroes> or is there somethign else that changes?
Jan 18 14:23:44 <squ> yesterday I was thinking what to do better switch adapters or inflate different layouts..
Jan 18 14:23:56 <lov> pacior: see http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/04/backward-compatibility-for-android.html as one method
Jan 18 14:24:06 <lov> pacior: personally, I prefer to use the factory pattern.
Jan 18 14:24:14 <lov> timroes: please don't spread false information.
Jan 18 14:24:22 <timroes> lov: he was asking the other way around :)
Jan 18 14:24:33 <squ> I have two data types and want them displayed in one listview with different layouts
Jan 18 14:24:55 <timroes> or i misunderstoof it, but it reads like he want to use api 10 methods on an api level 8 device
Jan 18 14:24:57 <squ> user clicks left/right, data is switched, listview updates
Jan 18 14:24:58 <pacior> how can reflection help me taking frames from video loaded by fileiinput stream?
Jan 18 14:25:13 <lov> well, ok
Jan 18 14:25:14 <lov> let me rephrase
Jan 18 14:25:24 <lov> you can't use higher level API functions on a lower API level device
Jan 18 14:25:24 <pacior> it is a pattern, hence i need to process encoded video
Jan 18 14:25:47 <lov> what you CAN do, however, is use strategies like reflection or factory to make your app backwards compatible and safe to run on that lower API level device
Jan 18 14:25:53 <xgear> I have two data types and want them displayed in one listview with different layouts - maybe you need headered list view
Jan 18 14:25:57 <pacior> i wish i could do this, since i read about compatibility library v4 and v13
Jan 18 14:26:19 <xgear> which have to items - header and item
Jan 18 14:26:21 <timroes> squ: in that case I guess you could also create a new adapter, though if you just want to change visual representation of data, I would consider it bad style to change the whole dapter
Jan 18 14:26:41 <pacior> lov: yeah but you go one step further - i need to do the operation on api level 8, since it's many of devices
Jan 18 14:26:48 <Savuud> Lol... Since I am such a newbie and I cannot get a reference in onClickListener method bound to TextView. I have ended up with creating a separate Listener object for each textView.
Jan 18 14:26:56 <lov> pacior: you can't.
Jan 18 14:27:01 <pacior> ok
Jan 18 14:27:05 * Savuud hates being a noob in a language
Jan 18 14:27:08 <timroes> strange, sounds like my fisrst answer ;P
Jan 18 14:27:22 <timroes> pacior: you could look into the android sources, and see if you can copy the code over
Jan 18 14:27:40 <timroes> but be prapares, you would need a lot of tweeking to get it working, since also the surounding api changed
Jan 18 14:27:40 <lov> pacior: you could port the code from a higher api level if that's possible, but if it depends on native implementations or codecs or whatever then you're pretty much stuck.
Jan 18 14:27:42 <pacior> i tried to use ndk
Jan 18 14:27:50 <pacior> to install ffmpeg
Jan 18 14:27:53 <squ> timroes, is it easier when switching adapters?
Jan 18 14:28:01 <pacior> but the debugger suxx
Jan 18 14:28:05 <lov> you sux.
Jan 18 14:28:15 <pacior> me too
Jan 18 14:28:17 <xgear> :D
Jan 18 14:28:27 <pacior> sorry
Jan 18 14:28:31 <timroes> switching adapter will be easier, but create more code, and depending on your use case, bad coding style
Jan 18 14:29:09 <pacior> how to capture bitmap from video without mediaDataRetriever class?
Jan 18 14:29:23 <pacior> in froyo?
Jan 18 14:29:53 * lov shrugs
Jan 18 14:30:06 <lov> You'll need to have a decoder library to handle this, sorry.
Jan 18 14:30:14 <squ> what was that link with android api code browser?
Jan 18 14:30:27 <lov> uh
Jan 18 14:30:29 <lov> d.android.com ?
Jan 18 14:30:38 * lov points at the topic
Jan 18 14:30:48 <squ> I wan source code of getView
Jan 18 14:30:50 <lov> click "reference" under "develop"
Jan 18 14:30:51 <lov> oh
Jan 18 14:31:02 <lov> I'm not sure if that's still online, sorry
Jan 18 14:31:13 <squ> there was a condition to call bindView/newView depending on something
Jan 18 14:31:13 <lov> you could try searching for View.java and see what comes up
Jan 18 14:31:24 <lov> alternately, get the source yourself from source.android.com
Jan 18 14:31:53 <pacior> lov, thanks
Jan 18 14:31:58 <pacior> for words :)
Jan 18 14:32:43 <lov> I have many words
Jan 18 14:32:52 <timroes> squ: source code is on github
Jan 18 14:33:00 <squ> what is the link?
Jan 18 14:33:12 <Leeds> github.com
Jan 18 14:33:17 <timroes> https://github.com/android?tab=repositories
Jan 18 14:33:48 <xgear> Hierarchy viewer will work fine on rooted device or i  need special engineering rom?
Jan 18 14:34:32 <timroes> squ: for the lazy ppl: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/java/android/widget/CursorAdapter.java#L237
Jan 18 14:34:46 <squ> oh thank you :)
Jan 18 14:35:32 <squ> seems like I have to modify 245 line if
Jan 18 14:35:34 <pacior> jni sais that wrong field id warning is, when passing string to native method.
Jan 18 14:35:53 <pacior> string is utf-8 encoded
Jan 18 14:36:17 <squ> like `if (my data needs to be position in different layout) ` call newView for each new row, if previously used layout was different :)
Jan 18 14:39:45 <lov> 09:33:23 < timroes> https://github.com/android?tab=repositories
Jan 18 14:39:47 <lov> no kidding!
Jan 18 14:41:21 * lov presses his luck
Jan 18 14:41:25 <timroes> lov: ?
Jan 18 14:41:39 <timroes> don't confuse me so early in the morning
Jan 18 14:41:43 <spobat> is it okay to dismiss the actionbar on screens I have no options for
Jan 18 14:41:46 <lov> timroes: I didn't realize that github was mirroring AOSP again
Jan 18 14:41:56 <lov> that is monstrously useful!
Jan 18 14:42:04 <misterli> How can i define that there's no Launcher activity and instead of this just an Service (which starts the Activity)?
Jan 18 14:42:04 <spobat> ..and activities that look without waaay better  :P
Jan 18 14:42:18 <timroes> i think so, (too, if you didn't meant it sarcastically)
Jan 18 14:42:45 <lov> misterli: just remove the intent filter for the MAIN action in your activity, and it won't show in the launcher
Jan 18 14:42:50 <timroes> easy to show code fragments of to ppl, though I prefere surfing in my local repo, thanks to `godir` command and such :)
Jan 18 14:42:55 <lov> (mind you, this may not be a good idea if you plan to distribute the app on market)
Jan 18 14:45:02 <monsti> any idea why my nexus 7 fails to install a apk at a 2nd run from eclipse?
Jan 18 14:45:28 <lov> without more information, no?
Jan 18 14:45:31 <misterli> It's an Anti-Thieft Service which gets activated by sending a SMS. The only Activity is the Settings-Activity which gets activated in DEBUG and/or by receving a SMS.. Market does not allow Apps which have no Activity on Startup?
Jan 18 14:45:37 <monsti> i get a Installation error: INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE
Jan 18 14:45:49 <monsti> i use the same debugkey
Jan 18 14:45:51 <monsti> same machine
Jan 18 14:45:59 <lov> misterli: newer android devices require the user to start an activity before services, etc will run
Jan 18 14:46:02 <monsti> this works on any other 4.0 device, the emulator and a virtualbox
Jan 18 14:46:03 <lov> iirc
Jan 18 14:46:12 <lov> monsti: sounds like you changed the versionCode to be lower?
Jan 18 14:46:18 <lov> try upping your versionCode
Jan 18 14:46:23 <monsti> i changed a layout in an xml
Jan 18 14:46:24 <lov> alternately, uninstall and reinstall
Jan 18 14:46:27 <monsti> douch?
Jan 18 14:46:33 <funkbox> my x86 4.1 emulator keeps restarting. anyone see this before?
Jan 18 14:46:34 <lov> ?
Jan 18 14:46:42 <monsti> why did they do this in 4.2.1?
Jan 18 14:46:43 <Ge0rG> you may not downgrade apps any more?
Jan 18 14:46:46 <misterli> Hmmm. Okay.. So it's required to start an activity (after the broadcastreceiver received an event) and the Activity starts the Service?
Jan 18 14:46:46 <lov> funkbox: I think it MIGHT be a known issue
Jan 18 14:46:51 <lov> monsti: I don't think "they" did.
Jan 18 14:46:53 <Ge0rG> what are they smoking?!
Jan 18 14:46:58 <Zharf> misterli, you can have service only packages in the market
Jan 18 14:46:59 <lov> monsti: I think you changed the version code and made a mistake
Jan 18 14:47:08 <misterli> Okay
Jan 18 14:47:12 <monsti> lov: again - i do the same as on 4 other devices
Jan 18 14:47:22 * lov shrugs
Jan 18 14:47:23 <monsti> lov: just edit an xml layout - recompile
Jan 18 14:47:47 <monsti> lov:  in other words - i don't have to uninstall on my S3, on my archos, on my avd and on my x86
Jan 18 14:48:03 <monsti> lov: sorry i don't understand why this is neccessary on a nexus 7
Jan 18 14:48:27 <lov> monsti: I'm trying to gently tell you that it's probably not specific to the nexus 7 and that you may have inadvertantely made a mistake in your codebase.
Jan 18 14:48:30 <lov> But lets check!
Jan 18 14:48:36 <misterli> Another Question: My GF lost her HTC Sensation. Is there any way to block the Phone over Google(Accounting) or somehow? It's only neccessary that the Thief/Finder has no access to the SD-Card
Jan 18 14:48:42 <lov> adb shell dumpsys package > out.txt
Jan 18 14:48:45 <lov> look for your package
Jan 18 14:48:48 <lov> search for the versionCode there
Jan 18 14:48:56 <lov> double check what version it is in relation to the versionCode in eclipse
Jan 18 14:49:25 <lov> misterli: I don't think that it is, sorry. Your GF should at a minimum change her google password, but there's nothing that can be done about the storage
Jan 18 14:49:33 <lov> misterli: don't forget that the thief can just pull the SD card physically
Jan 18 14:49:58 <misterli> Yeah. It's time for newer Android-Versions to encrypt the MicroSD...
Jan 18 14:50:18 <lov> misterli: if she's using an older version of Android, you might be able to install something like Lookout and then remotely activate it, but that's about it.
Jan 18 14:50:59 <misterli> I've Cerberus installed which has a GPS-Following-Option. But the Thief/Finder powerd off the Phone. It seems that he changed the SIm-Card ..
Jan 18 14:51:11 <lov> oh
Jan 18 14:51:32 <monsti> lov: i did this and there is a "Can't find service for foo.bar.package"
Jan 18 14:51:53 <lov> monsti: where? That's also not what you're looking for
Jan 18 14:52:07 <lov> search for the first instance of "versionCode" then search for "foo.bar.package"
Jan 18 14:52:37 <monsti> lov: thats the error - http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=41019
Jan 18 14:53:01 <lov> Huh!
Jan 18 14:53:09 <lov> Looks like you were right, it is in fact your nexus 7
Jan 18 14:53:13 <lov> sorry for doubting you
Jan 18 14:53:15 <anli> If I am creating components programmatically, and want to set a style on them, do I do like this then?: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14198460/problems-putting-a-black-cursor-in-my-autocompletetextview-as-many-others
Jan 18 14:53:53 <monsti> lov: "It seems that it is not allowed to put any reference into the versionCode, versionName attributes." :) i hate them!
Jan 18 14:54:06 <monsti> lov: i love my app_info_values.xml
Jan 18 14:54:10 <lov> Yeah, there's a bunch of stupid piddly bugs like that which crop up
Jan 18 14:54:18 <monsti> google forces me to get rid of it :(
Jan 18 14:54:20 <lov> whooooops, not gonna let you reference an xml resource for your app bitmap
Jan 18 14:54:27 * lov shrugs
Jan 18 14:54:35 <lov> to be fair, versionCode and versionName are things that you want to inline
Jan 18 14:54:35 <anli> I got a tumbleweed badge for that stackoverflow posting, not bad :)
Jan 18 14:54:37 <monsti> lov: i have a reference for the versionCode
Jan 18 14:54:45 <lov> yeah
Jan 18 14:54:49 <lov> and it sounds like this is your problem :)
Jan 18 14:55:12 <monsti> lov: yeah it's my problem - but google changed this silently in 4.2.1
Jan 18 14:55:29 <lov> ok, well, we're in agreement then.
Jan 18 14:58:47 <mikedg_> android has no bugs dude
Jan 18 15:02:18 <nyloc> hi, I'm not 100% sure I'm right here, but I'm looking for a possibility to run javah on my android project from eclipse, it works fine but I have a small problem with my classpath variable.
Jan 18 15:02:35 <nyloc> my current line is-classpath "${project_classpath}:/home/alex/android-sdks/platforms/android-11/android.jar"
Jan 18 15:02:56 <nyloc> the problem is the hardcoded part
Jan 18 15:03:36 <nyloc> Im not sure with the android.jar isn't added to the project_classpath
Jan 18 15:04:11 <nyloc> is there a variable that I can use to define the jar file that is used in the project.
Jan 18 15:04:46 <nyloc> so that I dont have to change my run command if I just change the android version from 11 to 17 or something
Jan 18 15:05:48 <lov> well, where are you actually calling this from?
Jan 18 15:06:00 <lov> are you just doing this from the command line manually? Is it part of a script somewhere?
Jan 18 15:06:27 <lov> Honestly, you should have a $JAVA_HOME variable somewhere, and you should be able to reference the project target based off of that
Jan 18 15:06:30 <lov> e.g.
Jan 18 15:06:57 <lov> "${project_classpath}:{$ANDROID_HOME}/platforms/{$ANDROID_PLATFORM}/android.jar"
Jan 18 15:07:04 <lov> s/JAVA_HOME/ANDROID_HOME
Jan 18 15:08:53 <Zharf> nyloc, you had me going for a minute that our bot named nolyc had gone rogue
Jan 18 15:09:34 <nyloc> Zharf: Yeah I noticed that my nick on IRC is a little... Off
Jan 18 15:09:41 <lov> Zharf: rampancy is a serious problem with IRC, I've heard.
Jan 18 15:09:53 <nyloc> but I really have this for a long time
Jan 18 15:10:05 <lov> bots usually just start talking about dicks and making bad jokes though
Jan 18 15:10:14 <lov> look at mikedg
Jan 18 15:10:48 <lov> the dg stands for device governor, but now he calls it dick generator
Jan 18 15:10:53 <nyloc> Zharf: But no idea with my problem?
Jan 18 15:11:09 <lov> nyloc: did you see the 6 lines I answered you with?
Jan 18 15:11:11 <Zharf> didn't read... yet anyway
Jan 18 15:11:18 <nyloc> oh missed sorry
Jan 18 15:11:28 <lov> >_< there was no other conversation in the channel
Jan 18 15:11:37 <nyloc> so many irc chats i miss almost everything that is not highlighted
Jan 18 15:12:11 <nyloc> yeah but im chatting parallel in 4 windows
Jan 18 15:12:19 <Zharf> I don't, I'm far too obsessed with irc
Jan 18 15:12:48 <Zharf> I have around 80 windows open in my irssi...
Jan 18 15:12:48 <memoryleak> My activities onPostResume is called even if  just the orientiation is changed. How can I detect if the user navigated from another activity other than just orientation changed?
Jan 18 15:13:02 <lov> memoryleak: you can't and shouldn't.
Jan 18 15:13:38 <Zharf> you can disable activity recreation on orientation change but you most often shouldn't have to
Jan 18 15:15:42 <HDroid> If you need to detect the origin, startActivityForResult might make sense.
Jan 18 15:16:03 <nyloc> lov: I calling it from eclipse (External Tools) and I have a SDK root variable
Jan 18 15:16:23 <HDroid> As for orientation changes, my pragmatic approach is to disable activity recreation unless I know I need it (e.g. I have different layouts for landscape and portrait).
Jan 18 15:17:22 <SimonVT> Which is actually more work (okay, it's only 1 line), since you need to save your state anyway
Jan 18 15:17:28 <Zharf> I tend to advocate the opposite
Jan 18 15:17:47 <memoryleak> lov, Zharf: To be more specific: When the login screen is shown the user is getting notified that his saved credentials are being verified (onCreate)
Jan 18 15:17:48 <HDroid> Why do I need to save my state if it is still there after the orientation change?
Jan 18 15:18:09 <SimonVT> Because orientation change isn't the only thing that can destroy your activity
Jan 18 15:18:35 <memoryleak> that particular code was in onPostResume before, so every orientiation change was triggering a new authentication verification request
Jan 18 15:18:51 <Zharf> orientation change is a good way to test it though
Jan 18 15:19:00 <nyloc> lov: eclipse keeps complaining about undefined Variable any idea how to use an evironment var in eclipse maybe some special syntax, (googling at the moment)
Jan 18 15:19:03 <SimonVT> Not if you disable it
Jan 18 15:19:17 <Zharf> SimonVT, right
Jan 18 15:19:19 <SimonVT> The system might need the memory for another app
Jan 18 15:19:40 <SimonVT> You should restore your activities as they were after that happens
Jan 18 15:21:50 <HDroid> If that happens, the app is likely not in focus anymore, in which case it often doesn't necessarily make sense to continue at the point where the user left.
Jan 18 15:22:14 <HDroid> If it does, though, then yes, restore state.
Jan 18 15:22:19 <SimonVT> Of course it does
Jan 18 15:22:24 <monsti> well i put the "currentUser" in a static valiable
Jan 18 15:22:29 <SimonVT> You don't know how long the user has been away from your app
Jan 18 15:22:34 <Zharf> I think often it does, just rarely it doesn't :)
Jan 18 15:22:43 <SimonVT> And iirc, the system will automatically throw away your state if they leave it for too long
Jan 18 15:22:49 <monsti> which makes more sense then persisting it to a database or thru bundles
Jan 18 15:23:05 <Zharf> SimonVT, this is what I've observed
Jan 18 15:23:33 <spobat>  any idea about that?
Jan 18 15:23:33 <spobat>  http://ideone.com/QiP4zh
Jan 18 15:23:37 <SimonVT> monsti: If the system needs your memory, your static variable is gone
Jan 18 15:23:40 <triptec> how do I restart a loader from say a asynctask?
Jan 18 15:23:41 <spobat> The exception source seems to be a plain android one.
Jan 18 15:23:48 <spobat> there is no location given that is related to my code, that wonders me :D
Jan 18 15:23:52 <lov> nyloc: not sure offhand. That said, you could always just define a new variable for eclipse.
Jan 18 15:23:54 <nyloc> lov: Ok I got to ${env_var:SDKSROOT} for the sdk root, nut the ANDROID_PLATFROM Variable is still not defined by
Jan 18 15:24:02 <lov> ok, there you go then
Jan 18 15:24:11 <lov> that's probably better anyway, since it'll be in sync with where eclipse is looking for the sdk
Jan 18 15:24:11 <spobat> this makes me having reason to believe its an android-"bug"? - but i'm not sure
Jan 18 15:24:16 <monsti> SimonVT: if the application is gone, the application is gone
Jan 18 15:24:27 <SimonVT> -.-
Jan 18 15:24:30 <nyloc> lov: but If I define a new one then I have to rembemer to always change it if I edit the project configuration
Jan 18 15:24:33 <monsti> SimonVT: then it's ok to do a relogin
Jan 18 15:24:53 <lov> spobat: not really. It looks like you called setImageView on one of your imageviews with a recycled bitmap
Jan 18 15:25:03 <SimonVT> You do not know how long the user has been away from your app
Jan 18 15:25:05 <lov> spobat: (which imageview? which bitmap? who knows!)
Jan 18 15:25:14 <spobat> lov, yeah, that's the problem :o
Jan 18 15:25:22 <SimonVT> The expected behavior is that the state is restored
Jan 18 15:25:33 <SimonVT> The correct behavior is that the state is restored
Jan 18 15:25:38 <spobat> the app contains over 20 imageviews o_o
Jan 18 15:25:48 <lov> so?
Jan 18 15:25:50 <spobat> and each is unique (non-array-style)
Jan 18 15:25:57 <spobat> I can't say which one it is.
Jan 18 15:26:02 <lov> architect your shit better then ^_^
Jan 18 15:26:09 <spobat> there are absolutely no hints to it.
Jan 18 15:26:15 <anli> I want to launch my app even if I press F11 when having an xml file in the current editor, is that possible to do?
Jan 18 15:26:23 <lov> the problem isn't your imageviews per se, it's your Bitmap resource management
Jan 18 15:26:28 <spobat> (I triggered it with "monkey"
Jan 18 15:26:32 <lov> the resource management that you yourself are doing
Jan 18 15:26:37 <spobat> - thus I don't know the exact steps to cause it)
Jan 18 15:26:39 <monsti> lol :)
Jan 18 15:26:46 <lov> anli: no, welcome to one of the most annoying bugs in the ADT
Jan 18 15:26:54 <anli> :)
Jan 18 15:26:58 <lov> "run? of course, you mean process this xml file into an error!"
Jan 18 15:27:12 <monsti> lov: i stoped complaining about android bitmaps ;) when using a camera app and dealing with bitmaps it's simply not possible to do it "right"
Jan 18 15:27:14 <lov> (at least, I don't know of any way to do this, and I'd seriously love to know)
Jan 18 15:27:20 <lov> monsti: sure it is.
Jan 18 15:27:22 <Zharf> use idea and you can!
Jan 18 15:27:24 <anli> Must try, lets see
Jan 18 15:27:28 <spobat> had that bug too :p
Jan 18 15:27:32 <lov> monsti: you just need to actually think through your systems.
Jan 18 15:27:39 <monsti> lov: my supid samsung s3 cam rotetes images 90 degrees
Jan 18 15:27:44 <lov> so?
Jan 18 15:27:59 <lov> you've got the width/height for the bitmap
Jan 18 15:28:01 <monsti> lov: i can't handle a 8mbit pixel image "right"
Jan 18 15:28:12 <lov> monsti: right, so you resize it immediately.
Jan 18 15:28:24 <monsti> lov: that's what the user doesn't want
Jan 18 15:28:34 <Zharf> for viewing...
Jan 18 15:28:35 <lov> monsti: then you save it to file, then resize it to work with.
Jan 18 15:28:40 * lov shrugs
Jan 18 15:28:43 <monsti> lov: thats what i do
Jan 18 15:28:44 <anli> would be great to know what "in windows" is and how an xml window is different from a window
Jan 18 15:37:12 <anli> lov: I tried to change the "when" parameter to something else than "in windows", for instance to "editing xml source". However, that did not seem to match my xml source editing
Jan 18 15:37:35 <anli> Whatever xml source is
Jan 18 15:43:41 <StingRay_> I have a few questions about long run data tasks, like remote sql sync etc....  As it stands I'm not doing this via a service, but would think that is the way to actually do it ?
Jan 18 15:44:40 <lov> Yeah, you should strongly consider a Service.
Jan 18 15:44:42 <anli> lov: Have you tried Eclipse -> Window -> Preferences -> Run/Debug -> Launching -> Launch Operation -> Always Launch the previously launched application ?
Jan 18 15:45:11 <anli> seems like eclipse does not handle xml files very well
Jan 18 15:45:46 <lov> anli: I've just trained myself to always use the run dropdown. This actually works out since I'm usually working in a library project.
Jan 18 15:46:11 <anli> ah, ok
Jan 18 15:46:15 <anli> libgdx?
Jan 18 15:46:25 <lov> no, library project that we create/implement
Jan 18 15:46:30 <anli> ok
Jan 18 15:46:33 <lov> we've got a common codebase that we have different targets for
Jan 18 15:47:30 <anli> Is it possible to create some soft links in the file system then?
Jan 18 15:48:06 <anli> So you will never need those lib projects
Jan 18 15:48:21 <anli> Or you can of course just add a class path
Jan 18 15:48:38 <Dany0> I'm so leet I shit 0-day hacks :P
Jan 18 15:48:46 <anli> :)
Jan 18 15:48:48 <monsti> anli: yes you can but there are some limits to that, too
Jan 18 15:48:54 <anli> ok
Jan 18 15:52:28 <k0nichiwa> if you use Handler postDelayed and the app goes into the background, will it be processed in the background ?
Jan 18 15:52:33 <k0nichiwa> seems no
Jan 18 16:01:04 <Chilley> how do i request my adapter to update one item in gridview?
Jan 18 16:02:46 <Chilley> when i click an gridview item i want the item to offer an alternate view of itself
Jan 18 16:10:30 <anli> I tried to set the cursor of an autocompletetextbox to a black cursor using http://pastebin.com/7yVCgBup, but what I got was an autocomplete textbox that does not respond on press, now, do I have to add some default style to the style?
Jan 18 16:10:43 <anli> Like one that autocompletetextboxes normally have?
Jan 18 16:11:08 <Chilley> nvm i only needed to call notifydatasetchange
Jan 18 16:11:39 <anli> Oh, I mean autocompletetextview of course
Jan 18 16:14:10 <Chilley> is there any support in android for making a gridview item do a 3D flip animation to turn it around?
Jan 18 16:23:03 <anli> If I have a style with some <item>:s, when will those be applied?
Jan 18 16:25:13 <ddreamer0> hi
Jan 18 16:25:45 <ddreamer0> SimonVT are you around ? I'm having more ABS issues ;(
Jan 18 16:26:16 <ddreamer0> have the action buttons ever frozen on you ?
Jan 18 16:32:03 <ddreamer0> has anyone have ABS trouble? it looks like it resumes on me....
Jan 18 16:37:01 <misterli> is there any beautiful way to allow strings in a switch()? ive tons of commands to be parsed and they are all strings..
Jan 18 16:37:22 <misterli> I dont want to define Strings to INT and translate them in the switch and i want to avoid huge if clauses
Jan 18 16:37:52 <anli> When I try to style a AutoCompleteTextView by creating it programmatically, passing a style as 3rd argument to constructor of AutoCompleteTextView, I actually get an unresponsive component as result
Jan 18 16:39:28 <porten> I'm trying to understand how to to implement a handler in my code, i have an activity and a thread, i would like them to communicate back and forth, right now I've designed it like this
Jan 18 16:39:32 <porten> http://pastebin.com/5QTC5rAS
Jan 18 16:39:55 <porten> This seems like the wrong way to go about things though, for one, it's not very scalable
Jan 18 16:42:33 <canadiancow> what are you trying to do?
Jan 18 16:42:56 <canadiancow> misterli, if else if else if else if....
Jan 18 16:43:08 <canadiancow> or use the string's hashcode
Jan 18 16:43:30 <canadiancow> or what are the commands? enums work nicely for this kind of thing
Jan 18 17:02:34 <Zharf> can I get the files dir of another package somehow?
Jan 18 17:04:37 <gkatsev> I have an existing android project source, when I import it into eclipse, it shows up named as one of the activities. Can I make it use some other string, like package name or app name label? Or is there some other value I can change in the androidmanifest?
Jan 18 17:04:50 <brx_> Zharf, i think you need root to do that
Jan 18 17:05:23 <Zharf> I only really just want to know the name of it :E
Jan 18 17:07:45 <ddreamer0> has anyone have ActionBarSherlock or any actionbar freeze ? its buttons just stop reacting!
Jan 18 17:08:00 <Zharf> nope
Jan 18 17:16:16 <Zharf> brx_, getPackageManager().getApplicationInfo("com.example", 0).dataDir; was what I wanted ;)
Jan 18 17:17:52 <StingRay_> anyone able to answer a few questions on services/a service ? I seem to not quite grasp something
Jan 18 17:21:35 <k0nichiwa> what would a memory mapped file into an sdcard external storage perform like as an http cache
Jan 18 17:21:45 <k0nichiwa> writes to the sdcard can be very slow
Jan 18 17:29:09 <gkatsev> so, any ideas how to make eclipse not name an imported project after the main activity?
Jan 18 17:32:37 <gkatsev> yeah, looks like there is nothing I can do :/
Jan 18 17:32:43 <gkatsev> well, other than renaming it after the fact
Jan 18 17:39:43 <misterli> gkatsev: Refactor the Projectname?
Jan 18 17:40:34 <AlCapwn> in what android version did dalvik gain the ability to ignore code wrapped around checks like (if OSversion > honeycomb) doXYZ; else doABC?
Jan 18 17:40:53 <Pfhoenix> isn't that a compiler optimization?
Jan 18 17:40:56 <novie> AlCapwn: api level 8
Jan 18 17:41:06 <SimonVT> 2.0 iirc
Jan 18 17:41:27 <novie> SimonVT: I think it is 2.2. It was my reason for dropping 2.1 support.
Jan 18 17:41:33 <SimonVT> No, it wasn't
Jan 18 17:41:38 <SimonVT> It was 2.0 or 2.1
Jan 18 17:42:05 <SimonVT> My money is on 2.0
Jan 18 17:42:42 <AlCapwn> lets see if the dalvikvm README has anything about it
Jan 18 17:43:09 <SimonVT> 2.0 is pointless tho, and so is earlier platforms tbh, so 2.1+ you're good
Jan 18 17:43:16 <Insayne> Hrm, is there an easier way to have SQLite's "LIKE" functionality? i.e, i have key=value pairs, but i want to find the closest match in this case... ?
Jan 18 17:43:29 <AlCapwn> hmm..nothing in readme
Jan 18 17:43:45 <AlCapwn> ok, I'll do some checks with the emulator
Jan 18 17:45:46 <novie> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7265459/android-dalvik-verification-in-eclair
Jan 18 17:46:47 <canadiancow> yeah novie / SimonVT, 2.1 allowed it
Jan 18 17:46:58 <canadiancow> 2.0 and 2.0.1 are considered obsolete/deprecated
Jan 18 17:47:05 <canadiancow> so effectively 2.1 is the enxt step after 1.6
Jan 18 17:47:14 <novie> canadiancow: sounds like it was in 2.0
Jan 18 17:47:19 <novie> but yea, not that it matters.
Jan 18 17:48:01 <clever> if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT > 13) initApi14();
Jan 18 17:48:21 <clever> canadiancow: i put all of my api 14 code into that function, would that be enough to make it safe?
Jan 18 17:49:12 <SimonVT> if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT >= Build.VERSION_CODES.ICE_CREAM_SANDWICH)
Jan 18 17:49:14 <SimonVT> but yes
Jan 18 17:49:56 <clever> the only other major problem i have, CookieManager doesnt exist in api 8
Jan 18 17:50:06 <canadiancow> SimonVT ++
Jan 18 17:50:14 <clever> so i loose all cookie support if i try to drop my min version one step
Jan 18 17:50:21 <SimonVT> So don't use it on earlier platforms.. Or just don't support earlier platforms
Jan 18 17:50:40 <misterli> http://pastebin.com/9xzx8Ewe i get html request invalid index 0, size is 0. Any idea? i have a hasmap which is submitted to the constructor
Jan 18 17:50:51 <clever> SimonVT: tests i did with a custom CookieHandler refused to work at all
Jan 18 17:51:08 <clever> and other checks ive done (scanning access.log) reveal that about half my potential users run api level 8
Jan 18 17:55:55 <canadiancow> you can do all your own cookie stuff
Jan 18 17:56:03 <canadiancow> i wrote an app that works on 2.2 and does cookie stuff
Jan 18 17:56:17 <clever> canadiancow: ive tried that, i dont remember why right now, but it refused to work
Jan 18 17:56:27 <canadiancow> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/client/CookieStore.html
Jan 18 17:56:30 <canadiancow> api level 1
Jan 18 17:57:05 <clever> i had also tried just grabbing the source for CookieManager and stuffing it into my project, but that didnt work out either
Jan 18 17:58:54 <AlCapwn> has anyone added support for Galaxy Note's multiwindow feature? What would be a good default & min height & width setting?
Jan 18 17:59:26 <AlCapwn> I copied 632x589 dip from Mocado's story post, but am not sure how that translates
Jan 18 18:13:55 <oGMo> heh, the apiref says NativeActivity is api 9, and all the examples use 8
Jan 18 18:26:08 <AlCapwn> you know Firefox is having a bad day when Eclipse loads the View class javadoc inside its own browser quicker than Firefox
Jan 18 18:30:09 <mantas322> Anyone know where I can get a royalty free sound for "Scanned in" or "Scanned Out"
Jan 18 18:30:39 <mantas322> or an angry person saying "You're late, your pay is docked."
Jan 18 18:30:46 <loin> hello, does anyone know a good reason why my data connectivity doesn't work under gingerbread?
Jan 18 18:32:06 <SpeedEvil> make your own sounds!
Jan 18 18:32:30 <mantas322> oh I dont want that kind of karma
Jan 18 18:47:05 <snot> Is there a (free) way to confirm a telephone number?
Jan 18 18:47:50 <snot> or rather confirm that the user actually owns it... and by owns I simple mean knows the pin and is able to receive texts and calls
Jan 18 18:47:51 <funkbox> i have a long listview and andriod is showing a scrollbar that can be dragged around to quickly to jump to items, lik ein the contacts app. i don't want this. what setting that i need to set ?
Jan 18 18:48:48 <bobsonator> What is the most failsafe way of converting a byte[] -> string  then string -> base64? I'm currently doing byte[]->Base64.Encode(Arrays.toString(byte[]).getBytes(UTF8)), but upon undoing base64, I get a much larger original byte[]. Can someone show me the light? Thanks
Jan 18 18:52:52 <bobsonator_> I'm basically asking for a fool-proof way of base64 encoding and decoding a byte[]
Jan 18 18:53:16 <bobsonator_> im timing out?
Jan 18 19:16:09 <canadiancow> bobsonator, why are you going byte[]->string->b64?
Jan 18 19:16:13 <canadiancow> why not byte[]->b64
Jan 18 19:16:22 <canadiancow> and obviously base 64 is going to be bigger than your original byte array
Jan 18 19:16:49 <canadiancow> you switching from a 256 bit encoding to a 64 bit encoding
Jan 18 19:18:38 <cobra-the-joker> Hey there every one ... is linux a good choice for application development
Jan 18 19:21:17 <Jonathan_Eyre> I'm dropping about 55% of my rx packets on my wifi.
Jan 18 19:21:27 <Jonathan_Eyre> Has anyone else seen this on Android devices?
Jan 18 19:21:37 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: with screen on or off?
Jan 18 19:21:49 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: maybe your AP has a broken power-saving implementation?
Jan 18 19:21:50 <RubyPanther> cobra-the-joker: yes, that is why developers are most of the linux users :)
Jan 18 19:21:56 <Jonathan_Eyre> I drop about 105,000 packets for every successful 100,000 packets recived.
Jan 18 19:22:14 <cobra-the-joker> RubyPanther: very nice
Jan 18 19:22:18 <Jonathan_Eyre> Ge0rG: The screen is on...
Jan 18 19:22:28 <RubyPanther> as far as android, everything is available on linux including the IDE that comes with the dev kit
Jan 18 19:22:41 <funkbox> i almost want to go around and give everyone a new phone instead of making this app work on their shitty old phones
Jan 18 19:27:11 <Ge0rG> is there a battery-conserving way to detect if the phone has been moved by the user?
Jan 18 19:27:29 <SpeedEvil> moved how far?
Jan 18 19:27:36 <SpeedEvil> and with what latency
Jan 18 19:27:44 <Jonathan_Eyre> Ge0rG: A kensington lock?
Jan 18 19:28:27 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: that could ensure that the phone is _not_ moved... which is the opposite of my goal ;)
Jan 18 19:28:40 <Zharf> :)
Jan 18 19:28:41 <Ge0rG> SpeedEvil: the fact alone is sufficient, latency in the order of 30s
Jan 18 19:29:07 <Zharf> are we talking meters or 100s of them?
Jan 18 19:29:09 <Zharf> :)
Jan 18 19:29:28 * Ge0rG 's got two application scenarios: a) a jabber client changing the presence status from/to away when phone is (not) moved
Jan 18 19:29:41 <Ge0rG> and b) a geolocation app that turns gps off when no movement takes place
Jan 18 19:30:18 <Zharf> I don't think you can actually turn off (or on) the gps
Jan 18 19:30:25 <SpeedEvil> poll the accelerometer /gyro once every 10s or so.
Jan 18 19:30:36 <Zharf> yeah that
Jan 18 19:30:48 <Ge0rG> Zharf: I can at least stop requesting location updates
Jan 18 19:30:57 <Zharf> Ge0rG, sure that you can do
Jan 18 19:30:58 <SpeedEvil> also, face down = away
Jan 18 19:31:06 <WhereIsMySpoon> getActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true); <--- why is this put in default in every onCreate method? it throws npe if i forget to comment it out and my layout seems to work fine without it
Jan 18 19:31:28 <Ge0rG> SpeedEvil: the accelerometer/gyro API is very low-level... is there some higher-level lib just to detect movement?
Jan 18 19:31:42 <Ge0rG> also, how much energy does polling every 10s eat?
Jan 18 19:32:17 <Jonathan_Eyre> Ge0rG: Turn GPS on and poll location every ten minutes. If position has changed, leave GPS on. If posiiton stay the same for five minutes, turn GPS off.
Jan 18 19:32:28 <SpeedEvil> I don't know the android answer to that
Jan 18 19:32:29 <Jonathan_Eyre> AKA, the service killer.
Jan 18 19:32:53 <SpeedEvil> I know the n900 answer is equal to several days battery life.
Jan 18 19:33:22 <SpeedEvil> there is no simple way to know movement in general
Jan 18 19:33:44 <Zharf> polling wouldn't let the cpu sleep
Jan 18 19:33:57 <SpeedEvil> 'every 10 seconds'
Jan 18 19:34:07 <Zharf> same difference still
Jan 18 19:34:15 <SpeedEvil> it's very much not
Jan 18 19:34:33 <SpeedEvil> my n900 has wakes about every 4s
Jan 18 19:34:42 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: thats too much lag
Jan 18 19:34:46 <SpeedEvil> it gets ~6 day standby
Jan 18 19:35:04 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: I want to turn GPS on in a matter of 30s
Jan 18 19:35:50 <SpeedEvil> GPS will often not produce a position for 30s after it's turned on
Jan 18 19:36:04 <Zharf> it'll take a few minutes
Jan 18 19:36:08 <Zharf> maybe less
Jan 18 19:37:02 <Ge0rG> I would go with the gyro route, but I would really like to know how much battery it kills on android
Jan 18 19:37:08 * Zharf thinks the general idea here is bad, but whatever ;)
Jan 18 19:37:19 <Zharf> my phone has a really bad battery life already
Jan 18 19:37:28 <Zharf> way less than a day
Jan 18 19:37:30 <Jonathan_Eyre> The real solution to this is to make GPS not take battery.
Jan 18 19:37:35 <Zharf> fresh out of the box too!
Jan 18 19:37:42 <SpeedEvil> gyro is irrelevant
Jan 18 19:37:45 <Jonathan_Eyre> Not to randomly turn it off, sometimes.
Jan 18 19:38:11 <SpeedEvil> the important bit is how much the CPU uses when waking, and how fast it can sleep again
Jan 18 19:38:21 <Jonathan_Eyre> That "sometimes" word is the plague to every IT support center in the world.
Jan 18 19:38:53 <SpeedEvil> the really annoying part?
Jan 18 19:39:18 <SpeedEvil> most gyrp/magnetometrr/accel chips support interrupt on changed position
Jan 18 19:39:22 <Zharf> stupid play, update faster
Jan 18 19:39:27 <SpeedEvil> which android doesn't support
Jan 18 19:39:46 <SpeedEvil> and would need almost no power
Jan 18 19:40:07 <Ge0rG> Jonathan_Eyre: I'm with you here... but my users demand lower battery drain
Jan 18 19:44:24 <MrMaffen> I'm currently trying to work with javascript scripts in my WebView. I have created a simple html file and within i've included my javascript files within <script> tags. If i test this html file in my browser and run a javascript console, i can successfully access functions and variables. However if i do the same thing within my java code I can't access anything
Jan 18 19:44:44 <MrMaffen> it seems like the javascripts are not loaded or something
Jan 18 19:45:20 <MrMaffen> "mScriptEngine.loadUrl("file:///android_asset/js/index.html");" this is the code which i use to load the index.html file
Jan 18 19:45:27 <MrMaffen> mScriptEngine is my WebView
Jan 18 19:57:50 <Ge0rG> is it possible to have a multiline string in strings.xml kept as is, instead of getting it trimmed by aapt?
Jan 18 20:07:56 <bobsonator> canadiancow: solved my problem, doing an Arrays.toString was biting me in the ass when I wanted too see the output of the string earlier
Jan 18 20:08:00 <SimonVT> I've never seen aapt trim strings
Jan 18 20:17:58 <korkut> helo guys, does anyone have experience compiling bionic seperate from the whole aosp?
Jan 18 20:28:02 <Looney> how can we freeze the UI while AsyncTask is in action
Jan 18 20:28:18 <Looney> like, I want to entertain the user onPostExecute
Jan 18 20:34:29 <ctate> err, you can't ever freeze the UI, period
Jan 18 20:34:46 <ctate> or your app gets declare unresponsive and the user is asked whether they want to kill it
Jan 18 20:36:58 <Looney> ANR, stuff
Jan 18 20:37:03 <Looney> I hate it
Jan 18 20:37:40 <Looney> well, I wanted user to  stay for a while
Jan 18 20:37:48 <ctate> "stay"?
Jan 18 20:37:57 <ctate> you can't stop the user from leaving your app.
Jan 18 20:38:04 <Looney> like, onPostExecute the user can leave the activity
Jan 18 20:38:19 <ctate> (literally: there's nothing your app can do to prevent the user from hitting the Home key and being taken back to the launcher app]
Jan 18 20:38:27 <dragorn> thankfully.
Jan 18 20:38:32 <Looney> only back key
Jan 18 20:38:32 <lov> Looney: I'm not really sure what you're trying to do.
Jan 18 20:38:38 <Looney> home, is not issue
Jan 18 20:38:44 <lov> Looney: Are you trying to trap the user so that they CANNOT leave your application? If so, are you a scumbag malware author?
Jan 18 20:38:51 <Looney> nope
Jan 18 20:38:56 <Looney> I am not
Jan 18 20:38:56 <lov> because that's scumbag malware behavior
Jan 18 20:38:58 <ctate> you can certainly catch the back key and stop it from doing anything, but that's usually very bad UX
Jan 18 20:39:00 <lov> are you sure?
Jan 18 20:39:36 <mrenouf|work> SimonVT, around?
Jan 18 20:39:40 <ctate> what is it you're actually trying to accomplish?  i mean, WHY is it important that the user not back out of your app?
Jan 18 20:39:47 <SimonVT> depends
Jan 18 20:44:14 <mrenouf|work> java.lang.NullPointerException
Jan 18 20:44:14 <mrenouf|work>  at com.actionbarsherlock.internal.widget.ActionBarView$HomeView.setUp(ActionBarView.java:1302)
Jan 18 20:44:25 <mrenouf|work> still struggling to fix this one :-(
Jan 18 20:44:54 <mrenouf|work> only after upgrade to 4.2.0
Jan 18 20:45:52 <mrenouf|work> and only on Android <14 of course
Jan 18 20:49:32 <SimonVT> oO
Jan 18 20:49:43 <SimonVT> What are you doing to make that happen?
Jan 18 20:50:32 <SimonVT> Is it completely random, or perfectly reproducible and can be made into a test case?
Jan 18 20:51:35 <mrenouf|work> Yes. No (well, not easily).
Jan 18 20:51:51 <funkbox> mrenouf|work: full stack
Jan 18 20:51:56 <mrenouf|work> No. Yes, and no.
Jan 18 20:52:02 <SimonVT> Blergh, damn JakeWharton and his renaming of folders..
Jan 18 20:52:08 <Zharf> well I've been running abs 4.2 on all but 3.x devices and I've never had that
Jan 18 20:52:10 <ctate> mrenouf|work: talk to JakeWharton about it.  :)
Jan 18 20:52:37 <mrenouf|work> all the refs I've found are like... oh I just needed to clean my project
Jan 18 20:52:41 <mrenouf|work> but that's not the case here
Jan 18 20:53:02 <Brian|CS> Has anyone tried https://github.com/jfeinstein10/SlidingMenu and liked it?
Jan 18 20:53:14 <Brian|CS> It's used in the Verge's app apparently.  Which makes me think its gotta be good
Jan 18 20:53:15 <funkbox> that's mUpView being null, which is R.id.abs__home
Jan 18 20:53:56 <mikedg_> Brian|CS: I like it
Jan 18 20:53:56 <mikedg_> Mike dg approves
Jan 18 20:53:58 <dragorn> Brian|CS: i looked at it, I prefer https://github.com/SimonVT/android-menudrawer ... and he's right here! :P
Jan 18 20:54:08 <SimonVT> \o/
Jan 18 20:54:55 <mrenouf|work> ActionBarView is initializing and is missing it's "up" indicator. One would suspect themes to be incorrect but I've found no evidence of that.
Jan 18 20:54:56 <Brian|CS> dragorn: Is there anything that menudrawer provides that SlidingMenu does not?
Jan 18 20:55:17 <dragorn> Brian|CS: As I recall it just behaved a lot more cleanly, for me & what I was testing
Jan 18 20:55:23 <SimonVT> Mine probably has less features
Jan 18 20:55:30 <SimonVT> But it's faster
Jan 18 20:55:33 <dragorn> Brian|CS: I tried slidingmenu a while back and it annoyed me; i don't totally remember why
Jan 18 20:55:53 <Zharf> I hate those sliding menu things
Jan 18 20:55:57 <mikedg_> SimonVT's also steals your passwords
Jan 18 20:56:00 <Brian|CS> Interesting.  Up to this point I've only use stuff I've written myself, but for the sliding menu everything i've written just hasn't looked as good as the libraries people write
Jan 18 20:56:01 <Zharf> absolutely horrible user experience
Jan 18 20:56:26 <mikedg_> phone's have horrible user experiences
Jan 18 20:56:30 <Brian|CS> lol
Jan 18 20:56:30 <mikedg_> concessions needs to be made
Jan 18 20:56:33 <mikedg_> popcorn for everything
Jan 18 20:56:35 <SimonVT> mrenouf|work: Is setUp being called before onFinishInflate?
Jan 18 20:56:42 <Brian|CS> I don't think sliding menus is a bad user experience
Jan 18 20:56:52 <Brian|CS> I think that keeping things standardized gives users better experiences
Jan 18 20:57:01 <Brian|CS> and whats one of the most popular phone apps of all time?  Facebook.
Jan 18 20:57:12 <Zharf> fecesbook you mean
Jan 18 20:57:12 <Brian|CS> Name some more?  Google+, youtube, etc.
Jan 18 20:57:14 <Brian|CS> all use it
Jan 18 20:57:19 <funkbox> Brian|CS: snake
Jan 18 20:57:31 <Zharf> I don't care really, it's still just absolutely horrible idea
Jan 18 20:57:31 <Brian|CS> funkbox: I played the shit out of that on my Nokia Brick.
Jan 18 20:57:35 <Zharf> and I think it'll die out soon
Jan 18 20:57:40 <mikedg_> Zharf: why is it horrible?
Jan 18 20:57:45 <dragorn> I'd love to know what the fuck google was thinking w/ the chrome betas
Jan 18 20:57:51 <dragorn> the preferences screens are all fucked
Jan 18 20:57:54 <Brian|CS> Zharf: If it does I'll change.  But as long as most of the big mobile apps use it.
Jan 18 20:57:57 <dragorn> amazingly so
Jan 18 20:57:58 <mikedg_> dragorn: they are betas
Jan 18 20:57:59 <Brian|CS> i'll continue to
Jan 18 20:58:00 <Zharf> mikedg_, because it's inaccessible and it took me way too long to figure out what the fuck it was
Jan 18 20:58:06 <dragorn> mikedg_: yeah but...  horrible UI decisions
Jan 18 20:58:10 <mikedg_> how is it inaccessible?
Jan 18 20:58:25 <Zharf> doesn't work on my keyboard in any of the apps I've used
Jan 18 20:58:27 <Looney> and how about aborting the asynctask on hitting back button
Jan 18 20:58:28 <mikedg_> dragorn: if you aren't allowed to make a mistake on a beta, then what's the point
Jan 18 20:58:34 <dragorn> mikedg_: My biggest WTF on it isn't a coding mistake
Jan 18 20:58:40 <dragorn> mikedg_: it's a "what the hell was this UI decision"
Jan 18 20:58:50 <mikedg_> why can't a UI be in beta?
Jan 18 20:58:53 <dragorn> hang on.  it's so awful I made screenshots.
Jan 18 20:59:09 <mikedg_> i dont care what it looks like, i've seen it all
Jan 18 20:59:15 <mikedg_> i've made games in beta with dicks for characters
Jan 18 20:59:18 <mikedg_> dicks all over the place
Jan 18 21:00:23 <mikedg_> but it was a beta, so who cares? eh
Jan 18 21:02:14 <Brian|CS> You know what one of my favorite UIs of recent times is?  CruncyRoll
Jan 18 21:02:17 <Brian|CS> CrunchyRoll*
Jan 18 21:02:18 <Brian|CS> idk why
Jan 18 21:02:24 <Brian|CS> but I really like their minimalistic style.
Jan 18 21:03:05 <Zharf> what? this website thing that google gives me?
Jan 18 21:03:16 <Zharf> that has all the text going on top of each other everywhere?
Jan 18 21:21:19 <StingRay_> I seem to have a Unable to start service Intent { cmp=uk.co.blaaa.sm/uk.co.blaaaa.lib.services.service } U=0: not found , I take it it's prefixing my package name to the service location in my library project ? erm... how would I fix this ?
Jan 18 21:23:06 <StingRay_> anyone around ?
Jan 18 21:23:21 <novie> no
Jan 18 21:26:57 <canadiancow> mikedg_, why are you talking about dicks
Jan 18 21:27:07 <mikedg_> work
Jan 18 21:37:31 <JakeWharton> say my name, say my name ( mrenouf|work / ctate )
Jan 18 21:37:34 <JakeWharton> what's up?
Jan 18 21:39:54 <mrenouf|work> still trying to solve my Abs 4.2 upgrade problem
Jan 18 21:40:10 <JakeWharton> mrenouf|work: yes, usually a device having broken theming triggers that error
Jan 18 21:40:21 <MrMaffen> hopefully somebody can help me: i've wrote some code to illustrate my problem. http://paste.kde.org/650648/
Jan 18 21:40:39 <MrMaffen> in the example code i want to return a javascript object back to my JavaScriptInterface
Jan 18 21:40:44 * ctate . o O ( Jake "kibo" Wharton )
Jan 18 21:41:11 <MrMaffen> but when i run JavaScriptInterface.setResult(test) it only returns "undefined"
Jan 18 21:41:21 <marcab> ...
Jan 18 21:41:31 <marcab> MrMaffen: setResult wants a string?
Jan 18 21:41:35 <marcab> and 'test' isn't?
Jan 18 21:42:01 <MrMaffen> correct. but public void setResult(JSONObject result) doesnt work for me
Jan 18 21:42:47 <MrMaffen> do i somehow need to serialize the test object first before handing it over to my setResult method ?
Jan 18 21:43:01 <nebkat> should setting a LayerListDrawable that contains two animations animate in an imageview?
Jan 18 21:43:08 <mrenouf|work> JakeWharton, I think it's either a strange corner case I've triggered in order of setup, or a resource id generation problem
Jan 18 21:43:37 <anli_> I am trying to put a black cursor in a AutoCompleteTextView programmatically by using the style on http://pastebin.com/Wnmwh0Um and creating the AutoCompleteTextView with the code on http://pastebin.com/iEzBBXSg
Jan 18 21:44:03 <anli_> Is there anyone that can say why I get a AutoCompleteTextView that still has no cursor, and in which the interactivity dissapeared? :)
Jan 18 21:44:35 <MrMaffen> marcab: any ideas ?
Jan 18 21:45:08 <marcab> MrMaffen: nope -- not something I've worked with, unfortunately :/
Jan 18 21:45:12 <StingRay_> anyone here use a service in their app that is from a library project ?
Jan 18 21:55:29 <canadiancow> StingRay_, yes
Jan 18 21:55:33 <canadiancow> i've done that in several apps
Jan 18 21:57:01 <StingRay_> canadiancow mind if I ask a few questions ?
Jan 18 21:57:07 <StingRay_> some things are not clear to me
Jan 18 21:57:13 <StingRay_> even after reading the docs
Jan 18 21:57:48 <StingRay_> docs actually say exactly what I want then go on to not only not mention it, but not give any examples also
Jan 18 21:59:46 <Brian|CS> Hmm
Jan 18 21:59:50 <canadiancow> why dont you just ask questions
Jan 18 21:59:53 <canadiancow> rather than asking to ask
Jan 18 21:59:53 <Rayne> Is it possible to render a RemoteViews inside a Fragment (as View?)?
Jan 18 21:59:59 <Brian|CS> Anyone know how to change the color of the action bar's text in Android 2.3?
Jan 18 22:00:18 <Rayne> I want to show a preview of the configured AppWidget in the configuration activity.
Jan 18 22:02:14 <StingRay_> canadiancow a 2 way communication between act and service is simply using the Messenger way ?
Jan 18 22:02:27 <canadiancow> it's "simple" using many ways
Jan 18 22:02:31 <canadiancow> it depends what you're sending
Jan 18 22:02:40 <canadiancow> i have a personal app that i just fire off intents
Jan 18 22:02:43 <canadiancow> and if they're ignored, so be it
Jan 18 22:02:47 <canadiancow> but nothing is "important"
Jan 18 22:02:54 <canadiancow> or rather, service->activity is unimportant
Jan 18 22:02:58 <preyalone> Which programming languages for Android also let you write apps for iOS and WIndows RT?
Jan 18 22:03:01 <canadiancow> activity->service is important, but will start the service if necessary
Jan 18 22:03:11 <canadiancow> preyalone, none?
Jan 18 22:03:15 <canadiancow> it depends waht you eman
Jan 18 22:03:30 <StingRay_> so if I wanted a database service
Jan 18 22:03:40 <preyalone> JavaScript is kinda-sorta available for all three systems, but support for it is really minimal. :(
Jan 18 22:03:42 <StingRay_> that gets both local and external netwrok data
Jan 18 22:04:06 <StingRay_> for 2 way comms I would connect/bind and use a messenger
Jan 18 22:04:13 <kevinb> Rayne: you can look at AppWidgetHostView.java in AOSP for reference, but i think you basically just need to inflate your initial layout into a ViewGroup object, then run RemoteViews.apply(context, viewgroup);
Jan 18 22:04:19 <StingRay_> seems to be from what I have picked up from docs so far
Jan 18 22:05:29 <StingRay_> the Bind/Messenger method as described here seems to be what I want http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html#Messenger
Jan 18 22:05:59 <StingRay_> but I dont see a receive to my activity bit, maybe cause I'm tired and/or blind
Jan 18 22:06:13 <StingRay_> or maybe I'm just not a programmer .... one of those
Jan 18 22:07:19 <Rayne> kevinb, Thank you. I will look for it.
Jan 18 22:09:02 <anli_> If someone is good on styling components programmatically, I added a stackoverflow question about my autocompletetextview struggle, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14408446/putting-a-black-cursor-in-a-autocompletetextview-programmatically-only-resulted
Jan 18 22:09:13 <anli_> please, take a look, I would appreciate it
Jan 18 22:15:56 <StingRay_> canadiancow  how do you go about getting response data from your services ?
Jan 18 22:17:15 <StingRay_> oh it gives you an actual instance to play with an call directly ...
Jan 18 22:19:05 <StingRay_> ugh too tired...gonna fight on in the morning
Jan 18 22:19:08 <StingRay_> laters all
Jan 18 22:44:17 <jda2000> Anybody ever try to import this project and build it?  http://code.google.com/p/daap-client/  It results in an Android Preprocessor crash for me.
Jan 18 22:44:27 <Anuroth> Has someone experience with custom keyboards in Fragments? I'm trying to place an popup keyboard directly at the calling input (button/edittext). In a test app it was working but after I added it to the app I'm working on in a Fragment the result wasn't that pleasing.
Jan 18 22:44:57 <Anuroth> Before: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/29517636/problem0.jpg After: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/29517636/problem1.jpg
Jan 18 22:45:29 <Anuroth> The xml file of the Fragment looks like this: http://pastebin.com/0yB58Yzi
Jan 18 22:45:56 <Anuroth> Any idea to solve this appreaciated
Jan 18 22:45:58 <jda2000> So I guess my question really is, where's the bug tracker for the ADT?
Jan 18 22:46:47 <jda2000> And how do I gather the evidence to report a adt bug?
Jan 18 22:51:24 <hwrd|work> So… since you can't clear actions on remoteviews is the only solution to just keep mproviding a new remote view?
Jan 18 22:52:30 <JohnnyL> hi,  how do i run hello-jini?
Jan 18 22:53:30 <jda2000> How early do they go home at Google?
Jan 18 22:56:19 <mrenouf|work> Fixed my ABS woes. Combination of having (non-final) R classes in a precompiled ABS jar, and also using proguard, and such the wrong R classes were being stripped prior to Dexing
Jan 18 22:57:18 <mrenouf|work> jda2000, "early" is a very subjective term
Jan 18 23:02:07 <jda2000> Is this the right channel to get help with an Android Pre-Processor crash?
Jan 18 23:14:50 <jda2000> Very well then, revel in the moment Mr We're-Number-One-We-Don't-Have-To-Try-Anymore. Go ahead and ignore your would-be developers.  You'll pay the price for your arrogance when a decent Ubuntu tablet comes out.
Jan 18 23:15:58 <Pfhoenix> decent? Ubuntu?
Jan 18 23:16:05 <Pfhoenix> gufwah.
Jan 18 23:17:45 <tm604> jda2000: wouldn't it be more productive to create an issue with the details of the problems you're seeing, rather than insulting the people you're asking for help from?
Jan 18 23:18:27 <jda2000> tm604: theoretically.
Jan 18 23:20:22 <jda2000> tm604: But once you've asked is this the right channel? etc. and got nothing one is entitles to a bit of snarkyness.  perhaps.
Jan 18 23:21:51 <jda2000> tm604: I find I have a low tolerance for the illusion of community mindedness.
Jan 18 23:23:20 <jda2000> tm604: But I'll try again closer to business hours and be more civil.
Jan 18 23:24:30 <tm604> one of the first questions you're going to be asked is "what did you try, and what results did you get". putting those on a paste site or as a new issue on the project should save time for you and whoever wants to help.
Jan 18 23:25:39 <jda2000> tm604:  Surely this covered it: ? Anybody ever try to import this project and build it?  http://code.google.com/p/daap-client/  It results in an Android Preprocessor crash for me.
Jan 18 23:26:40 <jda2000> tm604: Then if anybody asked, I'd have said Ubuntu 12.04 full latest SDK & IDE bundle.
Jan 18 23:26:44 <Pfhoenix> jda2000 : you also need to understand the medium you've selected for asking for help
Jan 18 23:27:02 <Pfhoenix> IRC is real-time chat, but the reality is the majority of people at any given time are idling
Jan 18 23:27:10 <Pfhoenix> AFK or whatever
Jan 18 23:27:25 <Pfhoenix> you need to have patience enough to wait around to see if someone responds to you
Jan 18 23:27:53 <jda2000> Pfhoenix: OK, you'r right.
Jan 18 23:32:42 <JohnnyL> can someone please help me get hello-jini to work? The documentation appears out of date. should be simple,no?
Jan 18 23:32:49 <Chronax> Why can't I create a resources folder called values-tvdpi-land ?
Jan 18 23:32:54 <Chronax> AAPT is telling me it's invalid.
Jan 18 23:36:45 <JesusFreke> Chronax: maybe -land-tvdpi? I know order is important, but I don't know the correct order offhand
Jan 18 23:37:24 <JesusFreke> also, make sure you're using an up-to-date aapt, and targeting a version of android that supports tvdpi (again, I don't recall when it was added offhand, sorry :))
Jan 18 23:38:12 <Chronax> Yep.
Jan 18 23:38:18 <Chronax> That doesn't work either.
Jan 18 23:38:36 <Chronax> We use values-sw600dp-land, and that works.
Jan 18 23:39:15 <Chronax> Trying to create alternate dimensions for portrait / landscape on N7 vs N10.
Jan 18 23:39:20 <Chronax> Any other suggestions?
Jan 18 23:40:16 <kevinb> you can use values-sw600dp-land for the n7 and values-sw720dp-land for the n10. this is much better/safer than using TVDPI as you could have a 10" tvdpi or an actual 50" TV, or a 4" phone
Jan 18 23:40:41 <JohnnyL> wow
Jan 18 23:40:42 <Chronax> Oh, great point.
Jan 18 23:40:44 <kevinb> sw600dp means ~7" tablets and sw720dp means ~10" tablets
Jan 18 23:40:47 <Chronax> Thanks kevinb.
Jan 18 23:41:07 <kevinb> np
Jan 18 23:46:42 <JohnnyL> is it tought to convert pc c++ projects to android?
Jan 18 23:47:01 <JohnnyL> +tough
Jan 18 23:49:26 <Pfhoenix> if you've never worked in a VM before, it'll be an adjustment for you
Jan 18 23:49:38 <Pfhoenix> understanding the GC's behavior is key for run-time performance
Jan 18 23:54:00 <heqs> Does anyone know the location of the android default ssl truststore? System.getProperty("javax.net.ssl.trustStore") returns null
Jan 18 23:55:08 <matt9> q:q
Jan 18 23:55:09 <matt9> :q
Jan 18 23:58:54 <Chilley> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore/+/master/luni/src/main/java/libcore/io/DiskLruCache.java how can i copy that code for myself
Jan 18 23:59:28 <jda2000> Ok, I found the bug reporting web app here:  http://developer.android.com/support.html
Jan 19 00:00:45 <mrenouf|work> Chilley, https://github.com/JakeWharton/DiskLruCache
Jan 19 00:03:21 <JohnnyL> fucking useless.
Jan 19 00:07:45 <Trinity> so any note-worthy hacks/cracks for in-app-billing?
Jan 19 00:25:25 <canadiancow> ctate, ive never seen you do that before
Jan 19 00:25:47 <ctate> it isn't every day that someone comes in asking for help pirating
Jan 19 00:29:31 <Trinity> https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+in+app+billing+cracked&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
Jan 19 00:29:33 <Trinity> im not asking for help
Jan 19 00:29:38 <Trinity> im asking for help to counter
Jan 19 00:29:57 <Trinity> sorry if what i asked dint make sense ctate
Jan 19 00:30:35 <Trinity> ive been working on server-to-server security for my game that uses in-app-billing an a search gathered me all of these "cracks" with no explanation on how they work
Jan 19 00:30:46 <Trinity> and so i asked on how they worked so i could affectively protect my own app
Jan 19 00:31:51 <canadiancow> you cannot protect 100% against anything that's in the client
Jan 19 00:32:04 <Trinity> right, so im doing server-toserver validation
Jan 19 00:32:04 <canadiancow> something like a magazine app can be protected if the content comes from the server
Jan 19 00:32:17 <canadiancow> but for a game, where all you're doing is "unlocking" content, there is no guaranteed protection
Jan 19 00:32:22 <Trinity> im just wondering is the "client-hack" because they arnt doing verification of data on a server
Jan 19 00:32:29 <canadiancow> no
Jan 19 00:32:39 <canadiancow> the client hack is disabling the server verification
Jan 19 00:32:55 <Trinity> ahh but heres what im doing, server verification and returning a server verified token
Jan 19 00:33:03 <canadiancow> and what's that token used for
Jan 19 00:33:03 <ctate> if you want to get serious, you can't trust the client.
Jan 19 00:33:06 <Trinity> and they can "use the item" only if its token verified
Jan 19 00:33:15 <canadiancow> where is that verification check done?
Jan 19 00:33:17 <ctate> also, make sure to read the recent blog article about this
Jan 19 00:33:18 <Trinity> server side
Jan 19 00:33:24 <Trinity> data/signature all server verified
Jan 19 00:33:27 <canadiancow> where is the item used
Jan 19 00:33:27 <ctate> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/01/verifying-back-end-calls-from-android.html
Jan 19 00:33:28 <Trinity> token verified on server
Jan 19 00:33:34 <Trinity> over HTTPS and Encrypted strings
Jan 19 00:33:50 <canadiancow> but yes, tl;dr: don't trust the client
Jan 19 00:33:55 <Trinity> item is used before entering a "bonus" level id say
Jan 19 00:34:06 <canadiancow> but the item is used on the client?
Jan 19 00:34:14 <Trinity> no
Jan 19 00:34:29 <Trinity> its used on the server
Jan 19 00:34:34 <Trinity> its a one time use by token
Jan 19 00:34:53 <Trinity> ctate: thats an interesting blog thanks ill read up on it
Jan 19 00:35:01 <canadiancow> do you have any evidence your users are bypassing payment?
Jan 19 00:36:56 <Trinity> canadiancow: no, not yet. ive set up a bunch of server-sided/client sided logs though
Jan 19 00:37:06 <canadiancow> dont trust the client
Jan 19 00:37:08 <canadiancow> trust the server
Jan 19 00:37:22 <canadiancow> if you have 1000 clients saying they paid, but you've only been paid by 900, you ahve a problem
Jan 19 00:37:25 <Trinity> right, but on the rare-case which the client doesnt know its being logged because the logs are encrypted
Jan 19 00:37:37 <canadiancow> do not trust the client
Jan 19 00:37:37 <canadiancow> ever
Jan 19 00:37:38 <canadiancow> period
Jan 19 00:37:39 <canadiancow> the end
Jan 19 00:37:41 <canadiancow> ever
Jan 19 00:37:41 <Trinity> haha kk :)
Jan 19 00:38:11 <Trinity> but in the case that lets say i do see wrong data saying who paid and such
Jan 19 00:38:17 <Trinity> whats a good way to start debugging the problem?
Jan 19 00:38:34 <canadiancow> stop trusting the client
Jan 19 00:38:50 <canadiancow> anyway ive been notworking all afternoon
Jan 19 00:38:53 <canadiancow> i have to start working :P
Jan 19 00:40:01 <Trinity> its fine thanks on the info
Jan 19 00:50:49 * juca OuvinDo: billy idol - sweet sixteen(2) (modo: Joint Stereo - kbps: 128 - hz: 44.1 - 04:17)
Jan 19 00:52:28 <kbs> I wish google would let people publish their own public keys at some "well-known" url in g+
Jan 19 00:53:00 <FernandoMiguel> kbs: ?
Jan 19 00:53:52 <kbs> delayed reaction to info in http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/01/verifying-back-end-calls-from-android.html
Jan 19 00:54:35 <kbs> if there was a way to obtain a 'standard' public key from someone's g+ "identity", much easier to send secure email/messages etc.
Jan 19 00:57:07 <kbs> eg. https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/pubkey -> would get this person's public key, etc.
Jan 19 00:58:00 <FernandoMiguel> ah
Jan 19 00:58:44 <heqs> How do I get the headers from a post request I have made with data using HttpsURLConnection? I want to get a cookie that is sent back after logging in, along with other headers - can't seem to find any examples online
Jan 19 01:03:33 <WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, Im having some problems getting a popup window with multi select list working. My activity java file is: http://pastie.org/5722744 with the helper java being: http://pastie.org/5722750 - My xml for the activity is: http://pastie.org/5722746 with pop_up_window xml being: http://pastie.org/5722749 and drop_down_list_row xml being: http://pastie.org/5722748
Jan 19 01:04:05 * juca OuvinDo: jim diamond - i should have known better115 (modo: Joint Stereo - kbps: 128 - hz: 44.1 - 04:11)
Jan 19 01:05:07 <WhereIsMySpoon> the icon on the match activity shows but nothing happens when i press it
Jan 19 01:35:10 <Anuroth> Have solved my problem. Had to create a RelativeLayout arround the whole LinearLayouts and put the keyboard layout outside of the LinearLayouts in the Fragment xml.
Jan 19 01:39:51 <Blindsight> .msg Anuroth what is it you are trying to do?
Jan 19 01:40:20 <Blindsight> or the . that works too :P
Jan 19 01:47:45 <Blindsight> Can anyone point me to a resource on how to display a custom keyboard?
Jan 19 01:47:55 <Blindsight> Having problems finding much.
Jan 19 01:48:32 <Anuroth> http://androiddev.orkitra.com/?p=5508
Jan 19 01:48:47 <Anuroth> This is an example
Jan 19 01:49:12 <Blindsight> checking it out, thanks
Jan 19 01:51:29 <Blindsight> they are still using qwerty though... I'd like to define my own.
Jan 19 01:55:53 <Anuroth> http://www.winkeywong.com/2011/05/how-to-custom-keyboard-in-android_22.html
Jan 19 01:56:12 <Anuroth> http://code.google.com/p/tab-viz/source/browse/TabViz/src/edu/uvic/TabViz/TabVizActivity.java?r=28
Jan 19 01:59:02 <canadiancow> yawn
Jan 19 02:03:55 <pierpark> Guys, isn't there some easy way to just use a ListView and add a few items to it non-programmatically? I just need a real simple, default list to say "Item 1", "Item 2", or whatever. And the only way I've ever done it is to use a custom adapter... I just want to use the look/feel of the list and have a few items. Easy way?
Jan 19 02:06:46 <lasserix> there is something like an overload of an arrayadapter that takes a string array and assigns their values to a default textview in the list
Jan 19 02:07:09 <pierpark> k
Jan 19 02:08:30 <pierpark> You're absolutely right... String[] items = { "Milk", "Bread", "Cheese" };
Jan 19 02:08:54 <pierpark> ArrayAdapter<String> adapter = new ArrayAdapter<String>(this,android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1, items); listView1.setAdapter(adapter);
Jan 19 02:08:57 <pierpark> that's it.
Jan 19 02:09:16 <pierpark> Thanks for jogging my memory.
Jan 19 02:10:06 <pierpark> It's programmatically, but it's the simple form, so it'll work.
Jan 19 02:22:24 <kj4> anyone know how to install custom recovery on an HTC 4g supersonic
Jan 19 02:28:48 <canadiancow> thats not really a question for #android-dev
Jan 19 02:28:53 <canadiancow> this is an app development channel
Jan 19 02:29:02 <canadiancow> try #android-root or #cyanogenmod
Jan 19 02:37:57 <Blindsight> gah I'm not getting anywhere on this. Feel like I'm just drowning in unknown android service code :(
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