**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:59 2013
Jan 27 03:00:32 <nesoi> so I installed the ADT bundle and then I wanted to get an html editor, so I installed one with "install new sofware" from the help menu in eclipse, and everything slowed down to an unusable crawl. Is it better to install Juno SR1 and then the ADT plugin or does that require a lot of setup?
Jan 27 03:00:46 * sir_galahad_ad doesn't even know what that is :P
Jan 27 03:01:35 <StingRay_> nesoi sounds like you have dual purposes
Jan 27 03:01:55 <StingRay_> you want a web editor or android dev environment ?
Jan 27 03:02:14 <nesoi> I was playing with cordova too, so a web editor would be handy
Jan 27 03:02:37 <nesoi> eclipse has lots of extensions that can be installed, is that not a good idea?
Jan 27 03:02:45 <StingRay_> wasnt aware eclipse was a good choice for webdev
Jan 27 03:03:07 <StingRay_> but I know nothing about web dev
Jan 27 03:03:09 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 03:03:31 <nesoi> or eclipse?
Jan 27 03:03:32 <nesoi> :)
Jan 27 03:03:56 <StingRay_> I know eclipse is ok a java/android ... but still not great sometimes
Jan 27 03:05:31 <meetoman> hey, is anyone doing hackercup?
Jan 27 03:07:34 <JakeWharton> StingRay_: might want to give IntelliJ IDEA a try then
Jan 27 03:07:51 <StingRay_> well I downloaded the community edition
Jan 27 03:08:03 <SimonVT> Intellij, woo
Jan 27 03:08:05 <StingRay_> not really fired it up yet
Jan 27 03:08:14 <StingRay_> it good is it ?
Jan 27 03:08:29 <SimonVT> Yep.
Jan 27 03:09:33 <StingRay_> I'm on OSX so anything is better than the "seperate editor" bug that we mac users have to deal with in eclipse
Jan 27 03:09:57 <StingRay_> as in no direct editing of properties in layouts
Jan 27 03:10:10 <StingRay_> tis lovely !
Jan 27 03:15:32 <andkore> ConnectivityManager cm =
Jan 27 03:15:33 <andkore>                 (ConnectivityManager)getSystemService(Context.CONNECTIVITY_SERVICE);
Jan 27 03:15:33 <andkore>         mUsbRegexs = cm.getTetherableUsbRegexs();
Jan 27 03:15:40 <andkore> that code simply will not work
Jan 27 03:15:53 <andkore> "The method getTetherableUsbRegexs() is undefined for the type ConnectivityManager"
Jan 27 03:16:32 <andkore> I've googled around to no avail. The problem seems to be context, but I don't know how to fix that. Ths same error exists in the Android source code (I'm trying to replicate part of it).
Jan 27 03:16:36 <SimonVT> Maybe ConnectivityManager just doesn't have a method called getTetherableUsbRegexs
Jan 27 03:17:03 <JakeWharton> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html
Jan 27 03:17:18 <SimonVT> Nope, no method called that
Jan 27 03:17:42 <andkore> it's in the Android source
Jan 27 03:18:10 <JakeWharton> is it marked @hide?
Jan 27 03:18:11 <SimonVT> That doesn't mean it's a public api
Jan 27 03:18:20 <andkore> oh
Jan 27 03:18:36 <andkore> well shit. I'm dumb.
Jan 27 03:19:18 <andkore> thanks. I didn't realize not everything was publicly available
Jan 27 03:19:42 <meetoman> is anybody doing hackercup?
Jan 27 03:20:24 <lgfreitas> im not
Jan 27 03:25:25 <nesoi> StingRay_ : what's the "seperate editor" bug ?
Jan 27 03:29:20 <ashes> in the gallery, how is the thumbnail image for videos chosen? I want to edit it
Jan 27 03:29:55 <ashes> i have cartoons and movies on my nephew's tablets, and they can't read, and the thumbnail image on the videos looks random, so they don't know which video is which
Jan 27 03:30:16 <JakeWharton> it's probably an arbitrary frame 5% into the video
Jan 27 03:30:41 <ashes> how do i find out?
Jan 27 03:30:51 <ashes> or is there a way for me to edit this?
Jan 27 03:30:59 <ashes> it seems random
Jan 27 03:31:04 <JakeWharton> probably can't edit
Jan 27 03:31:13 <JakeWharton> you can dig in to find the actual logic here: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Gallery2/
Jan 27 03:32:14 <ashes> i can edit the video, i mean
Jan 27 03:50:28 <StingRay_> nesoi in changing fixed properysheet values or anything like entering a string in a property sheet text entry it has to popup a separate window
Jan 27 03:50:43 <StingRay_> same with id's
Jan 27 03:50:49 <StingRay_> same with most stuff
Jan 27 03:51:15 <StingRay_> tis a little annoying
Jan 27 03:51:47 <StingRay_> I'm on the latest preview adt so some things are fixed, but 80% still not fixed
Jan 27 03:55:22 <achuinard> I do a Ln.d (roboguice logging) of my JSON fetch and I get something like: "iconlarge":"http:\/\/farm8.staticflickr.com
Jan 27 03:55:34 <MajorZero> how can I reference a specific view from a specific layout so I can touch said view?
Jan 27 03:55:35 <achuinard> Is it correct for there to be a \ before the / in, for example, http://?
Jan 27 03:55:55 <achuinard> ckr.com\/7148\/
Jan 27 03:56:08 <StingRay_> MajorZero if it's in the tree you can performTouch() or something like that
Jan 27 03:56:22 <MajorZero> its in a different tree
Jan 27 03:56:29 <MajorZero> and by touch i mean like interact with it, reference it
Jan 27 03:56:39 <StingRay_> well you need an instance to it
Jan 27 03:56:46 <StingRay_> oh
Jan 27 03:57:01 <StingRay_> well do you have access to the tree root ?
Jan 27 03:57:05 <MajorZero> yes
Jan 27 03:57:14 <StingRay_> well just findviewbyid then
Jan 27 03:57:23 <MajorZero> its not working :/
Jan 27 03:57:38 <StingRay_> then that id is not in that tree
Jan 27 03:57:51 <MajorZero> hmm
Jan 27 03:58:07 <MajorZero> okay Thank you (:
Jan 27 04:06:39 <StingRay_> in a listView how do I have button elements and still have the list item trigger onItemClick ?
Jan 27 04:07:10 <StingRay_> there seems to be some very odd opinions on S/O and GG ...well not odd, conflicting
Jan 27 04:08:09 <JakeWharton> what do you have questions about? it should be pretty straightforward
Jan 27 04:09:37 <QubeZ> is there a way to get rid of broadcast intents manually from adb shell?  I have uninstalled my app because I had a bug and after the fix, the intents are sitting there. I thought uinstalling would remove them
Jan 27 04:10:14 <StingRay_> JakeWharton just if any clickable view (my case button) is visible in an item layout of list view, the item is no longer clickable
Jan 27 04:11:31 <QubeZ> I guess I can uninstall app then reboot to clear them.
Jan 27 04:24:56 <andkore> anyone know how I could have a wallpaper on the lock screen that's different from my regular wallpaper? I don't know how this happened...
Jan 27 04:26:42 <JakeWharton> I used to have that with my Nexus One back in the day
Jan 27 04:27:00 <andkore> I'm using Launcher Pro. I think that has something to do with it.
Jan 27 04:27:49 <JakeWharton> it would then, yes
Jan 27 04:27:50 <meetoman> anybody doing hackercup?
Jan 27 04:28:22 <JakeWharton> "im not" -lgfreitas
Jan 27 04:30:31 <MajorZero> for some reason everytime I attempt to set the text of a button, inside my viewpager, I encounter a nullpointer exception
Jan 27 04:31:17 <MajorZero> is there something I need to do before changing the content of a viewpager?? I even tried calling notifyDataSetChanged on my adapter, but I still get this nullpointer exception
Jan 27 04:31:44 <achuinard> you're probably creating a new fragment
Jan 27 04:31:54 <achuinard> and not referencing the old one
Jan 27 04:31:58 <achuinard> are you using a FragmentPagerAdapter?
Jan 27 04:32:19 <achuinard> note that you can't recall getItemAtPosition
Jan 27 04:32:30 <achuinard> because that just instantiates new fragment, hence nullpointer, MajorZero
Jan 27 04:32:49 <MajorZero> no im not, im using a custom viewpager adapter.
Jan 27 04:35:04 <MajorZero> would i be better off storing fragments inside my viewpager rather than regular layouts?
Jan 27 04:37:09 <andkore> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/android-2.2.3_r2.1/src/com/android/settings/TetherSettings.java <-- does anyone know what part of that exactly turns on/off usb tethering?
Jan 27 04:41:25 <MajorZero> well regardless, I wasn't able to implement my layout with fragment views. And I did look into it since its suggested to build viewpagers with them. However, I am unable to change the
Jan 27 04:41:29 <MajorZero> text of a button inside my viewpager. Regardless if I change it outside of the instantiateItem method of hte pageradapter, or inside it.
Jan 27 04:46:32 <RazWelles> Is there any reason why eclipse would report "can't open file for reading" when I'm not even attempting to read a file?
Jan 27 04:48:09 <StingRay_> MajorZero not used a viewPager yet, but would it not return and index with a rootView ?
Jan 27 04:49:51 <StingRay_> MajorZero oh it's an adapter that powers it ?
Jan 27 04:49:52 <MajorZero> Im looking into that now....I may try to see if I can reference the button by using the index of the view being displayed..
Jan 27 04:50:58 <MajorZero> yes an adapter powers it and I read online of someone able to change the contents of their viewpager by changing said contents, in their adapter...I tried that and it didn't work so I'm going to try finding a reference to the current view next
Jan 27 05:18:08 <RustyShackleford> is there an easy way to create an object from an xml file?
Jan 27 05:23:46 <g00s> RustyShackleford: how does the xml file get created, where does it come from, what does it have ?
Jan 27 05:24:52 <FelicianoX> Does .addView() on a LinearLayout work after setContentView() ?
Jan 27 05:24:59 <g00s> if its a simple schema, xmlpull + new() works fine :)
Jan 27 05:25:28 <RustyShackleford> i'm using xmlpull now
Jan 27 05:25:43 <RustyShackleford> massive chain of if/else statements
Jan 27 05:26:15 <RustyShackleford> but it works. I'm just curious if there is something more convenient
Jan 27 05:26:39 <g00s> you could use 'Simple'
Jan 27 05:27:06 <g00s> i'm assuming you have xml for some reason; there are probably things for json too
Jan 27 05:27:58 <g00s> http://simple.sourceforge.net/home.php
Jan 27 05:28:03 <FelicianoX> Anybody?
Jan 27 05:29:48 <Gaz`> anyone use androvm? wondering how i get the play store on it
Jan 27 05:30:52 <StingRay_> FelicianoX yes!    Gaz  Sometimes!
Jan 27 05:31:52 <StingRay_> Gaz there is an image with playstore
Jan 27 05:32:05 <StingRay_> but you can use gapps from cm dists
Jan 27 05:32:08 <StingRay_> either or
Jan 27 05:32:10 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 05:32:36 <Gaz`> ah yeh
Jan 27 05:32:38 <Gaz`> what is gapps?
Jan 27 05:32:48 <StingRay_> erm
Jan 27 05:32:53 <StingRay_> Google Apps
Jan 27 05:32:58 <Gaz`> aha!
Jan 27 05:33:01 <Gaz`> thx man
Jan 27 05:33:02 <StingRay_> account,play,gtalk  etc
Jan 27 05:33:04 <Gaz`> this thing is super cool
Jan 27 05:33:09 <StingRay_> tis ok
Jan 27 05:33:09 <Gaz`> apart from that it doesnt run unity apps
Jan 27 05:33:13 <RazWelles> Is there any reason why eclipse would report "can't open file for reading" when I'm not even attempting to read a file?
Jan 27 05:33:20 <FelicianoX> Strange, my Android emulator is not logging anything in Logcat (Eclipse)
Jan 27 05:36:12 <RustyShackleford> does each Activity have it's own ActionBar?
Jan 27 05:36:21 <RustyShackleford> or is that shared between Activities
Jan 27 05:37:35 <QubeZ> FelicianoX: it happens, restart eclipse and/or adb
Jan 27 05:37:51 <StingRay_> never use AB, but cant see it being shared
Jan 27 05:38:43 <QubeZ> what do you mean shared? its not some piece of your code that is shared between activities
Jan 27 05:39:18 <QubeZ> you implement the actionbar + menu item's from your menu xml (or programatically)
Jan 27 05:39:34 <Gaz`> this HTC Flyer is a waste of time, itll work with adb once in 100 attempts
Jan 27 05:39:41 <Gaz`> ironically google gave me this for deving on
Jan 27 05:39:49 <QubeZ> finally got proximity alerts working like a charm in my app
Jan 27 05:40:02 <QubeZ> is Google still giving out dev phones?
Jan 27 05:40:11 <Gaz`> a while ago
Jan 27 05:40:16 <Gaz`> but this one is the worst choice possible
Jan 27 05:41:35 <Gaz`> think i should go get a n7
Jan 27 05:41:46 <StingRay_> n7 is good
Jan 27 05:41:54 <StingRay_> I have a fair few tablets
Jan 27 05:42:02 <QubeZ> im going to grab one in a month
Jan 27 05:42:05 <StingRay_> like my n7 most
Jan 27 05:42:28 <StingRay_> oddly I like the galaxy tab 8.9 and touchpad for factors lots too
Jan 27 05:42:30 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 05:42:32 <Gaz`> this flyer would ben ok if adb worked
Jan 27 05:42:44 <StingRay_> stock rom?
Jan 27 05:42:49 <Gaz`> yeh
Jan 27 05:42:53 <StingRay_> oh
Jan 27 05:42:55 <Gaz`> has some htc crap on it
Jan 27 05:42:57 <StingRay_> bummer
Jan 27 05:43:01 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 05:43:58 <FelicianoX> I need a piece of code in a different thread to run on the UI thread, but the class does not extend Activity (runOnUiThread()), any other approaches?
Jan 27 05:46:20 <true_techie> how can i fix this error? emulator-arm.exe has stopped working
Jan 27 05:47:53 <RustyShackleford> i never use mylyn in eclipse. Am I missing out?
Jan 27 05:49:00 <g00s> it might help if you work in a distracting environment
Jan 27 05:49:22 <g00s> it can help you focus, and regain focus , by maintaining a small context (what you are working on)
Jan 27 05:49:25 <StingRay_> true_techie impossible to answer
Jan 27 05:49:44 <true_techie> why?
Jan 27 05:49:56 <StingRay_> cause thats not an error
Jan 27 05:50:01 <StingRay_> it's the result of one
Jan 27 05:50:03 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 05:50:16 <true_techie> where can i see the real error then?
Jan 27 05:50:44 <StingRay_> windows log maybe ?
Jan 27 05:50:52 <StingRay_> event viewer
Jan 27 05:50:53 <StingRay_> ?
Jan 27 05:51:09 <true_techie> ...
Jan 27 05:52:42 <JakeWharton> RustyShackleford: you are missing absolutely nothing
Jan 27 05:53:16 <ron_frown> I've solved a problem that I've had across 8 or so magsafe adapters
Jan 27 05:53:27 <g00s> duck tape ?
Jan 27 05:53:39 <ron_frown> http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.+Gasket/720/4510/10002/-1?ht=4&CAWELAID=1710788734&catargetid=1784155608&&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CMqD2bzsh7UCFWrZQgodZBcAaQ
Jan 27 05:53:39 * g00s uses goose tape ;)
Jan 27 05:53:50 <ron_frown> pre-emptive strike
Jan 27 05:53:56 <g00s> wut
Jan 27 05:53:56 <ron_frown> 80 bucks a pop will get a guy thinking
Jan 27 05:54:07 <g00s> wtf do you do to them ?
Jan 27 05:54:09 <ron_frown> my cat bit through the insulation
Jan 27 05:54:24 <g00s> dont let her near your motorcycle :)
Jan 27 05:54:27 <ron_frown> then my daughter was pulling on it and broke the already frayed wire
Jan 27 05:54:37 <ron_frown> haha nobody gets near my bike
Jan 27 05:54:38 <g00s> dont let her near your motorcycle either
Jan 27 05:54:40 <ron_frown> cept my daughter
Jan 27 05:55:00 <ron_frown> just turned 2 and shes better around that shit than my wife
Jan 27 05:55:09 <g00s> i thought you were going to say it was fixed using IntelliJ
Jan 27 05:55:15 <ron_frown> hahaah
Jan 27 05:55:36 <ron_frown> I just believe in best tool for the job, and intellij has changed my life for the better so much, I want to share that with others
Jan 27 05:56:17 <g00s> preach it brother!
Jan 27 05:56:49 <StingRay_> whats the major diffs ? I have it installed, not run it yet
Jan 27 05:56:57 <ron_frown> way better intellisense
Jan 27 05:57:08 <ron_frown> way better refactoring
Jan 27 05:57:11 <RustyShackleford> is there a rule of thumb for how deep your navigation should go?
Jan 27 05:57:22 <ron_frown> just the ui itself is cleaner and I like the dark theme
Jan 27 05:57:26 <RustyShackleford> My app will be at most 5 activites deep
Jan 27 05:57:27 <g00s> RustyShackleford: as shallow as possible
Jan 27 05:57:32 <ron_frown> (you can do that with eclipse but there are places that break)
Jan 27 05:57:34 <RustyShackleford> but that seems too deep
Jan 27 05:58:59 * ron_frown sighs
Jan 27 05:59:08 <ron_frown> adium has just really gone to shit BIG TIME in the past couple years
Jan 27 05:59:53 <g00s> RustyShackleford: its an interesting question; for sure. the answer has to do with progressive disclosure, working memory, and information scent
Jan 27 06:00:10 <g00s> anyhow, make it as shallow as possible ;)
Jan 27 06:00:32 <g00s> but dont cram too much crap on a screen - thats totally useless advice since its too general
Jan 27 06:00:43 <g00s> usability testing sorts these things out ;)
Jan 27 06:00:51 <RustyShackleford> Navigation goes like this choose a route -> direction -> stop -> arrivals
Jan 27 06:01:09 <RustyShackleford> and then perhaps, if I'm ambitious, arrivals -> map
Jan 27 06:02:12 <g00s> dunno
Jan 27 06:02:14 <RustyShackleford> I wonder if instead of displaying routes/stops/directions in ListViews, I could just use some Spinners
Jan 27 06:02:23 <RustyShackleford> but 120 routes in a spinner?
Jan 27 06:02:30 <g00s> no, not good
Jan 27 06:03:14 <g00s> and dont try putting spinners in your spinners :D
Jan 27 06:03:23 <g00s> (somebody asked about that the other day)
Jan 27 06:03:29 <Udmurt> lol
Jan 27 06:03:38 <RustyShackleford> yo dawg I heard you like Spinners
Jan 27 06:03:53 <g00s> the Dawgs were out in full force, there were a few questions like that
Jan 27 06:06:28 <g00s> rstudio is awesome
Jan 27 06:07:04 <RustyShackleford> I currently have a PagerTabStrip but it's not quite what I'm looking for. I want to ability to swipe, but also have tabs at the top
Jan 27 06:07:24 <RustyShackleford> that is, tabs that don't disappear from view.
Jan 27 06:07:25 <Udmurt> you can swipe with tabs
Jan 27 06:07:39 <RustyShackleford> what class am I looking for?
Jan 27 06:07:40 <g00s> there is an example of that in the compat lib demos
Jan 27 06:08:01 <g00s> but, again, this is bad if you have to swipe to go to the next part of the workflow
Jan 27 06:08:17 <g00s> since it seems like you have some sort of wizard deal going on
Jan 27 06:08:32 * g00s hits RustyShackleford over the head with the pointy haired wand
Jan 27 06:09:14 * StingRay_ casts a spell of "insignificance" on everyone
Jan 27 06:09:17 <RustyShackleford> on the main screen, I want 3 tabs for bus routes, train routes, and favorites
Jan 27 06:09:24 <RustyShackleford> i don't think it's that rediculous
Jan 27 06:09:45 <g00s> ah, so thats not what you were mentioning before. ok
Jan 27 06:10:12 <RustyShackleford> yeah I changed the subject abrubtly
Jan 27 06:11:15 <ron_frown> g00s I know you do shit with lp bt
Jan 27 06:11:20 <ron_frown> do anything with zigbee?
Jan 27 06:16:49 <g00s> ron_frown: no
Jan 27 06:17:01 <ron_frown> sheisse
Jan 27 06:19:57 <g00s> ihave the newnes book sitting around, but i havent gotten to it yet.
Jan 27 06:24:35 <StingRay_> how does intellej do at rendering custom views in layout editor ?
Jan 27 06:24:41 <ron_frown> great
Jan 27 06:24:45 <ron_frown> oh custom views
Jan 27 06:24:52 <ron_frown> well It works with some of my custom views
Jan 27 06:24:54 <ron_frown> and not with others
Jan 27 06:24:59 <ron_frown> btu I havent investigated why
Jan 27 06:25:01 <StingRay_> I've just opened it
Jan 27 06:25:05 <StingRay_> lol
Jan 27 06:25:11 <StingRay_> looks, well interesting
Jan 27 06:25:32 <StingRay_> looks a little like xcode ish
Jan 27 06:26:00 <ron_frown> I've used both and I wouldnt compare any ide to xcode
Jan 27 06:26:00 <ron_frown> haha
Jan 27 06:26:01 <StingRay_> and I think I need to come up with a view layout for my 3 monitors thats a bit better than what I have
Jan 27 06:26:22 <StingRay_> oh wow
Jan 27 06:26:27 <StingRay_> tis a nice UI
Jan 27 06:26:46 <ron_frown> especially in darcula
Jan 27 06:26:48 <ron_frown> theme
Jan 27 06:27:22 <StingRay_> ok how do I get my device control up ?
Jan 27 06:28:03 <StingRay_> does this have good mercurial integration ?
Jan 27 06:28:09 <ron_frown> yep
Jan 27 06:28:14 <ron_frown> and git
Jan 27 06:28:38 <StingRay_> ok then, may just clone one of my repos in and take a spin :)
Jan 27 06:28:56 <StingRay_> it's kinda like one of those "natural" daylight lamps you can get
Jan 27 06:29:09 <ron_frown> ?
Jan 27 06:29:10 <StingRay_> you dont know why, but when it's on and there, you feel a bit better
Jan 27 06:29:15 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 06:29:29 <ron_frown> oh yeah I've said that about resharper (anothe rintellij project)
Jan 27 06:29:48 <ron_frown> you wont know what it adds, but then when you uninstall, you are pissed that dozens of features just arent there)
Jan 27 06:30:49 <StingRay_> hmm I'm missing one thing from eclipse even after 2 min of use
Jan 27 06:30:57 <StingRay_> right click "close project"
Jan 27 06:31:29 <ron_frown> well to be fair its not necessarily designed to be used as you wuold use eclipse
Jan 27 06:31:38 <ron_frown> its more of a solution->project type IDE
Jan 27 06:32:01 <ron_frown> not open a folder with 2000 projects in it
Jan 27 06:32:07 <ron_frown> and they all show up in your project list
Jan 27 06:32:13 <ron_frown> its not perfect
Jan 27 06:32:22 <ron_frown> and there is a learning curve coming from eclipse
Jan 27 06:32:28 <ron_frown> but I promise you'll be happy with it
Jan 27 06:32:30 <StingRay_> ron_frown how does one remove/delete a project then ?
Jan 27 06:32:52 <ron_frown> file project structure
Jan 27 06:32:54 <ron_frown> modules
Jan 27 06:33:00 <ron_frown> and add/remove projects in the middle list
Jan 27 06:34:04 <ron_frown> I think you can do it via the main ui too
Jan 27 06:34:12 <StingRay_> hmm
Jan 27 06:34:40 <StingRay_> already has hg control
Jan 27 06:34:42 <StingRay_> nice
Jan 27 06:41:49 <StingRay_> hmm think it's too big of a leap for me atm
Jan 27 06:41:53 <StingRay_> but looks nice
Jan 27 06:44:08 <RustyShackleford> is there some built in way to add a title to a ListView?
Jan 27 06:44:22 <RustyShackleford> or do I just put a TextView above the ListView?
Jan 27 06:44:41 <Ologn> Ah, I figured this out
Jan 27 06:44:58 <Ologn> I was wondering why my nagios grab of my bluehost file was not in the log
Jan 27 06:45:15 <Ologn> Then I realized - Bluehost must automatically filter out their own nagios grabs
Jan 27 06:48:13 <ron_frown> RustyShackleford thats what I'd do
Jan 27 06:48:19 <ron_frown> just put a title above a list
Jan 27 06:53:10 <ron_frown> looks like I am gonna build a couple apps for ubuntu for ubuntu phone
Jan 27 06:53:31 <StingRay_> is the image available for gnex yet ?
Jan 27 06:53:38 <ron_frown> nah
Jan 27 06:53:41 <StingRay_> dammit
Jan 27 06:53:48 <StingRay_> I want to have a look
Jan 27 06:54:08 <ron_frown> I think its gonna have one advantage over android
Jan 27 06:54:09 <StingRay_> I have some suspicions that the OS may irritate me
Jan 27 06:54:14 <ron_frown> and that is a fully native os
Jan 27 06:54:27 <ron_frown> I think dalvik while overhead may be minimal
Jan 27 06:54:28 <ron_frown> its there
Jan 27 06:54:30 <ron_frown> period
Jan 27 06:54:59 <StingRay_> I just what to use it for a few days from a "user" perspective
Jan 27 06:54:59 <ron_frown> and all the funky shit you have to do with interact with c++
Jan 27 06:55:17 <ron_frown> if its open in the sense you could build a diff launcher or swap out x component etc
Jan 27 06:55:19 <StingRay_> there no date on the image yet ?
Jan 27 06:55:25 <ron_frown> I think it has a *DECENT* chance
Jan 27 06:55:27 <ron_frown> feb
Jan 27 06:55:31 <ron_frown> thats all I've heard
Jan 27 06:55:36 <StingRay_> ooooo thats sooo close
Jan 27 06:55:42 <StingRay_> and possible 4 weeks away  :(
Jan 27 06:55:48 <StingRay_> at the same time :(
Jan 27 06:55:55 <ron_frown> I've got plenty of shit to get done prior so =)
Jan 27 06:56:25 <StingRay_> last time I had a play with QT was with python for 3d tools in Maya
Jan 27 06:56:31 <StingRay_> seemed ok
Jan 27 06:57:23 <ron_frown> qt5 is plenty capable
Jan 27 06:57:55 <ron_frown> I ran firefox os on a phone and it was balls slow
Jan 27 06:57:58 <ron_frown> like unusable
Jan 27 06:58:20 <StingRay_> see I like the idea of the company and browser
Jan 27 06:58:24 <ron_frown> never ceases to amaze me the quanity of people thinking html5+js being a suitable replacement for native stuff
Jan 27 06:58:26 <StingRay_> not played with os
Jan 27 06:58:45 <ron_frown> I will say firefox latest few versions almost even feels snappier than chrome
Jan 27 06:58:52 <ron_frown> but os they should jsut give up on
Jan 27 07:01:58 <StingRay_> is feb the launch then ? or dev preview ?
Jan 27 07:02:51 <QubeZ> as a best practice for PendingIntents, should I use the FLAG_CANCEL_CURRENT or should FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT be used?
Jan 27 07:02:52 <ron_frown> I watched a video they said they'd have a rom for gnex
Jan 27 07:03:15 <ron_frown> considering they want me to build a couple of apps, of which I assume will be completed before launch
Jan 27 07:03:33 <ron_frown> I doubt feb is launch
Jan 27 07:07:26 <canadiancow> i have a friend who works at mozilla
Jan 27 07:07:32 <canadiancow> he said the gnex is their dev device
Jan 27 07:08:12 <g00s> they use 2 devices now, Keon and Peak
Jan 27 07:09:06 <g00s> html5 needs some primitives for dealing with shitty tcp connections, otherwise its fooked
Jan 27 07:09:13 <g00s> on mobile
Jan 27 07:09:31 <ron_frown> honestly stuff like SignalR does a good job of that shit
Jan 27 07:09:48 <ron_frown> but it needs something on "the other end"
Jan 27 07:09:57 <ron_frown> not great for device to device com without a man in the moddle
Jan 27 07:10:17 <ron_frown> middle
Jan 27 07:12:23 <g00s> there are a few pieces of the puzzle that need to be finalized, stuff like this even http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-netinfo-api-20121129/
Jan 27 07:27:19 <RustyShackleford> how much longer will we have to support Gingerbread?
Jan 27 07:28:09 <RustyShackleford> I'm pretty sure my app must have some incompatabilities by now
Jan 27 07:29:08 <QubeZ> RustyShackleford: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Jan 27 07:29:34 <QubeZ> 47.6% users still on GB, if you aren't compatibility with GB then your app will not get exposure.
Jan 27 07:30:07 <RustyShackleford> I'm surprised Honeycomb has such a small share
Jan 27 07:30:10 <g00s> RustyShackleford: probably for another year or so :)
Jan 27 07:30:18 <QubeZ> RustyShackleford: well it was Google's oops
Jan 27 07:30:32 <g00s> next year, we'll be asking "how much longer do i have to support ICS"
Jan 27 07:30:41 <RustyShackleford> after GB is phased out, might as well drop Honeycomb too
Jan 27 07:30:42 <g00s> rinse, recycle, repeat
Jan 27 07:31:13 <RustyShackleford> g00s, hopefully my contract expires before we start saying that about ICS
Jan 27 07:33:44 <g00s> dunno; interesting in the last earnings statement, sammy's guidance was that things will tone down here a bit
Jan 27 07:34:28 <g00s> apple's new reporting emphasizes sw; previous investors focused too much on hw (oh, these guys are cutting orders to this supplier, we're all dead)
Jan 27 07:34:54 <g00s> so as markets saturate and growth is mostly in the low end, it will be interesting
Jan 27 07:35:31 <g00s> ms and apple are sw companies, samsung , htc are not
Jan 27 07:36:06 <g00s> well, i guess i should say, apple knows both hw and sw; samsung doesn't know sw as well as apple does
Jan 27 07:39:25 <StingRay_> I think I maybe starting to be a coder
Jan 27 07:39:34 <ron_frown> ?
Jan 27 07:39:44 <StingRay_> albeit a un-conventional one
Jan 27 07:40:01 <canadiancow> g00s, but look at touchwiz!
Jan 27 07:40:55 <ron_frown> there are a couple little things here and there I like about touchwize
Jan 27 07:40:59 <ron_frown> bt mostly not like
Jan 27 07:47:22 <plantian> Hey guys, with the httpclient on android is it not possible to stream an InputStream in a PUT request?  I can't seem to figure out which parts to use.
Jan 27 07:48:56 <QubeZ> finally got this build ready to go... fuck im tired
Jan 27 07:49:04 <QubeZ> almost time for men's aussie open final though
Jan 27 08:03:34 <MajorZero> i passed out on my keyboard. i love java
Jan 27 08:36:22 <plantian> I finally solved it after reading the docs many times, apparently the length just needed to be -1.
Jan 27 08:42:45 <vavirta> there is also good http-libraries to android
Jan 27 08:46:30 <plantian> vavirta: as far as i know it is the android http library, i just couldn't figure out how to not pass the length
Jan 27 08:47:19 <plantian> I'm using AndroidHttpClient, HTTPPut and a InputStreamEntity.
Jan 27 08:48:02 <vavirta> ok
Jan 27 08:48:09 <vavirta> you should also look for example this library
Jan 27 08:48:10 <vavirta> https://github.com/loopj/android-async-http
Jan 27 08:48:18 <vavirta> I've used it succeffully in many projects
Jan 27 08:48:50 <JakeWharton> an InputStream is a stream...
Jan 27 08:49:17 <vavirta> it handles the async callbacks really nice which I like it
Jan 27 08:49:32 <JakeWharton> it's also really good at leaking contexts if you're into that sort of thing
Jan 27 08:49:43 <Gavilan2> do you know any good library or framework or thing to simulate "native interface" on a web page? like using touch events, and all that stuff...? (web page, not web view)
Jan 27 08:53:23 <vavirta> jquery mobile?
Jan 27 09:09:49 <Gavilan2> vavirta: thanks
Jan 27 09:10:04 <DOSP> Guys, do you know why when i type ant  debug - it will export OLD version of my project instead of the new one (basically i just changed few things)
Jan 27 09:11:10 <g00s> try ant clean :)
Jan 27 09:11:15 <DOSP> thanks :)
Jan 27 09:13:25 <DOSP> nothing happened :/ still the same version is exported
Jan 27 09:14:48 <meetoman> hey guys
Jan 27 09:14:55 <meetoman> I am trying to store 100,000 integers into an array
Jan 27 09:15:01 <meetoman> what's the fastest way to do it?
Jan 27 09:16:55 <g00s> thats at least 400k of memory, are you sure you need to do that ?
Jan 27 09:17:39 <g00s> thats using a primitive array
Jan 27 09:18:20 <meetoman> yes
Jan 27 09:18:28 <Gavilan2> meetoman: why do you need those integers for?
Jan 27 09:18:28 <g00s> :|
Jan 27 09:18:28 <meetoman> LinkedList seems to be superslow
Jan 27 09:18:31 <meetoman> like super super slow
Jan 27 09:18:43 <g00s> because its storing Integers
Jan 27 09:18:43 <Gavilan2> meetoman: what are you trying to do?
Jan 27 09:18:47 <meetoman> Gavilan2, I just do...
Jan 27 09:19:01 <Gavilan2> meetoman: as g00s: said, use primitive integers, and use an array....
Jan 27 09:19:50 <meetoman> is there any primitivearray?
Jan 27 09:20:52 <meetoman> and i need this done in 20 seconds?
Jan 27 09:21:11 <meetoman> right now it takes like 5 minutes?.  every second its taking about 300 to 400 records
Jan 27 09:21:14 <g00s> lol, wut … i'm trying to figure out if you need int[] or Trove
Jan 27 09:21:31 <g00s> maybe you picked a poor data structure
Jan 27 09:21:35 <g00s> or poor algorithm
Jan 27 09:21:50 <meetoman> there is no data lol
Jan 27 09:22:22 <meetoman> can't use int[] , java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
Jan 27 09:22:35 <meetoman> int[100000] just gives you OutOfMemory without warning
Jan 27 09:23:25 <Gavilan2> meetoman: get a device with more memory :)
Jan 27 09:23:43 <meetoman> Gavilan2, I am loading this on my computer
Jan 27 09:23:48 <g00s> or grab the memory right away when the app starts before the fragmentation begins
Jan 27 09:24:00 <Gavilan2> int[100000]? that should work on your pc
Jan 27 09:24:00 <g00s> meetoman: so this isn't on android ?
Jan 27 09:24:06 <Gavilan2> unless you have a really old pc
Jan 27 09:24:12 <Gavilan2> btw: wrong channel
Jan 27 09:24:30 <Gavilan2> unless he is running it on the emulator...
Jan 27 09:25:58 <fTheCat> Sorry to interrupt, does anyone know if there's a way to hit <25ms latency round trip mic to speaker audio on 2.3.5?
Jan 27 09:26:32 <fTheCat> Or what the best case scenario is for low latency audio?
Jan 27 09:27:13 <g00s> if there is low latency audio, its very recent - not GB
Jan 27 09:28:07 <meetoman> meetoman, loading it on java first
Jan 27 09:28:13 <fTheCat> 4.1?
Jan 27 09:28:13 <meetoman> testing a library
Jan 27 09:28:24 <fTheCat> or 4.0 do it?
Jan 27 09:28:25 <g00s> hello meetoman , its meetoman again
Jan 27 09:28:31 <RustyShackleford> haha I don't think android is running linux-rt
Jan 27 09:28:32 <meetoman> man, i am totally stuck
Jan 27 09:28:46 <meetoman> i just did java -Xmx1024m
Jan 27 09:28:55 <meetoman> and its still giving me OutOfMemoryError
Jan 27 09:29:30 <g00s> fTheCat: 4.1 at earliest, and it seems to still suck
Jan 27 09:30:14 <clever> meetoman: 2048 maybe?
Jan 27 09:30:37 <g00s> meetoman: try allocating int[1] … if that works, try int[2] and so on ...
Jan 27 09:30:39 <meetoman> i did
Jan 27 09:30:47 <g00s> :)
Jan 27 09:30:54 <meetoman> works with int[1] and 2
Jan 27 09:31:00 <g00s> ok, try 3 now
Jan 27 09:31:04 <g00s> :D
Jan 27 09:31:10 <g00s> just keep going
Jan 27 09:31:14 <g00s> run forrest run !
Jan 27 09:32:22 <meetoman> there's gota be a faster way...
Jan 27 09:32:35 <meetoman> is int[] faster than ArrayList?
Jan 27 09:32:45 <clever> yes
Jan 27 09:34:16 <clever> meetoman: try a for loop that goes thru int[1000] int[2000] and up
Jan 27 09:34:18 <meetoman> let me try Trove
Jan 27 09:34:36 <g00s> meetoman: you never really told us what you needed to do this for
Jan 27 09:34:44 <g00s> i just threw that out
Jan 27 09:36:03 <DOSP> Well, Have anyone any idea why ant debug is exporting old version of app ? without changes i made? i tried clean in eclipse and ant clean, no change .: /
Jan 27 09:36:18 <g00s> did you save your file :P
Jan 27 09:37:02 <clever> DOSP: ive had problems when i switch from building with ant to building with eclipse
Jan 27 09:37:31 <g00s> i would close eclipse; its going to monitor the fs to do an autobuild
Jan 27 09:37:43 <clever> g00s: yeah
Jan 27 09:37:44 <g00s> you could turn autobuild off, i guess, but still
Jan 27 09:38:26 <DOSP> iam building in ant becuase eclipse suddenly have thousand errors while eporting, and noone knows what to do with them :/ so iam building with ant, first time it was okay, now it says that Build successfull BUT the exported file is without changes i made from last export
Jan 27 09:38:38 <DOSP> i try to close eclipse
Jan 27 09:43:19 <meetoman> wow, Trove is faster
Jan 27 09:43:28 <meetoman> not fast enough...
Jan 27 09:43:47 <meetoman> 500 to 600 per second
Jan 27 09:44:36 <clever> meetoman: does it have to be int, what about byte[] ?
Jan 27 09:44:57 <DOSP> Guys, nothing with closed eclipse .. it still exports but it looks like old version :/
Jan 27 09:45:30 <clever> DOSP: do another ant clean after eclipse is closed
Jan 27 09:46:09 <DOSP> allright
Jan 27 09:47:28 <DOSP> nnothing
Jan 27 09:50:44 <clever> DOSP: anything left in the bin dir after you do ant clean?
Jan 27 09:51:03 <DOSP> nope it will completely dissappear
Jan 27 09:51:33 <DOSP> okay, but i see whats wrong now
Jan 27 09:51:35 <meetoman> clever, it can be a byte I guess
Jan 27 09:51:40 <meetoman> but number can be 100,000
Jan 27 09:51:43 <DOSP> thanks guys for support :)
Jan 27 09:51:49 <clever> meetoman: byte will greatly reduce usage
Jan 27 09:52:12 <meetoman> clever, dont i need a byte[][] then?
Jan 27 09:52:25 <clever> meetoman: cant see any reason why you would
Jan 27 09:52:44 <g00s> meetoman: what the /hell/ are you trying to do ?
Jan 27 09:52:56 <meetoman> can I do calculations on byte?
Jan 27 09:53:06 <meetoman> g00s, just some algorithm I am trying to master
Jan 27 09:53:28 <meetoman> g00s, I can't tell you until tomorrow night
Jan 27 09:53:31 <clever> meetoman: byte works just like int, its just limited to 0-255
Jan 27 09:54:02 <g00s> actually, -128 … 127
Jan 27 09:54:04 <g00s> :)
Jan 27 09:54:13 <clever> g00s: ah, its signed?
Jan 27 09:54:19 <g00s> :D
Jan 27 09:54:31 <g00s> maybe use a short
Jan 27 09:56:08 <meetoman> clever, i need the number to be over 100,000
Jan 27 09:56:26 <meetoman> maybe a database is faster?
Jan 27 09:56:30 <meetoman> local database of some sort
Jan 27 09:56:33 <clever> meetoman: each number needs to be over 100k, or do you need 100k numbers?
Jan 27 09:57:00 * g00s gets popcorn and watches meetoman experiment
Jan 27 09:57:10 <meetoman> clever, both
Jan 27 09:57:16 <clever> byte wont work then
Jan 27 09:57:27 <meetoman> well, the number range from 1 to 100000
Jan 27 09:57:29 <meetoman> randomly
Jan 27 09:57:52 <meetoman> Creating the index first then inserting data gives us 47 700 inserts-per-second, whereas inserting the data first then creating the index gives us 63 300 inserts-per-second.
Jan 27 09:57:55 <meetoman> i think i m gona use sqllite
Jan 27 09:58:22 <clever> meetoman: what if you just used c?
Jan 27 09:58:51 <meetoman> hmm, i am just writing this in java
Jan 27 09:58:56 <meetoman> i've already got the algoritm down
Jan 27 10:08:18 <thepoosh> Hi all, is there a way to access the parent ScrollView of a ListView? I want to pin a surfaceView to a specific location on the list view and not invalidate it when it scrolls out of sight
Jan 27 10:12:44 <StingRay_> thepoosh you can override onDraw
Jan 27 10:12:58 <StingRay_> on the listView
Jan 27 10:13:48 <thepoosh> I just want to pin one item, not controll the whole view
Jan 27 10:13:57 <thepoosh> is there a getChild?
Jan 27 10:14:02 <thepoosh> StingRay_
Jan 27 10:14:13 <StingRay_> ya
Jan 27 10:14:32 <StingRay_> for the item view
Jan 27 10:14:36 <StingRay_> obviously
Jan 27 10:14:40 <thepoosh> and can I get the View that has the scrooling to it? so I can pin the View?
Jan 27 10:14:48 <StingRay_> well
Jan 27 10:14:56 <StingRay_> you could get childAt
Jan 27 10:14:57 <thepoosh> the question, is which ine is the one I'm looking for?
Jan 27 10:15:04 <thepoosh> *one
Jan 27 10:15:05 <StingRay_> and then if ... draw your thing
Jan 27 10:15:34 <StingRay_> well if you know the index of where your going to do it
Jan 27 10:15:36 <StingRay_> then yeah
Jan 27 10:15:47 <thepoosh> I have a video player, but I don't want it to be set to View.GONE when it's scrolled out of the xcreen
Jan 27 10:15:55 <StingRay_> could just mod the layoutParams and place your view in the gap of that child
Jan 27 10:16:15 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Jan 27 10:16:18 <thepoosh> I'll see
Jan 27 10:16:22 <StingRay_> hang on though
Jan 27 10:16:25 <StingRay_> hmmm
Jan 27 10:16:36 <StingRay_> you will still have a problem with that
Jan 27 10:16:39 <StingRay_> I would guess
Jan 27 10:16:58 <StingRay_> worth a try though
Jan 27 10:31:45 <lasserix> thepoosh why not use overlapping listview + surfaceview and update the surfaceview as needed?
Jan 27 10:32:22 <thepoosh> I don't have control on the surface view (external SDK)
Jan 27 10:32:36 <thepoosh> lasserix ^
Jan 27 10:32:54 <lasserix> ah
Jan 27 11:27:34 <Sepho> Hi guys
Jan 27 11:27:57 <rohdef> isn't there some clever way to put model data into the gui, some kind of model binding? Can't seem to find it
Jan 27 11:30:00 <Sepho> I'm reading android design guide but all of measures are in dp... So, if I want to create a button in photoshop to my app, what size should it be? I mean, what is the base device size to design for mdpi? Is there any template? Because i work with pixels in photoshop
Jan 27 11:32:03 <rohdef> Sepho, if you can you should avoid fixed size components, because they will have to scale sooner or later
Jan 27 11:33:04 <StingRay_> Sepho the idea in ps would be you make a patch9 button
Jan 27 11:33:17 <StingRay_> easily done with a 1 pixel border
Jan 27 11:33:28 <rohdef> Sepho, I haven't tried in Android yet, but for instance on the web I'd do things like having a bar 1px wide and have the system repeat it the entire width of the component
Jan 27 11:33:29 <lasserix> there is a android icon pack you can use a reference for sizes if using ninepatch sapho
Jan 27 11:33:30 <StingRay_> then just a file name ".9" append
Jan 27 11:34:01 <rohdef> I was going so say that I haven't done it with Android yet, but pretty sure it's possible :p  I guess you beat me to it StingRay_
Jan 27 11:36:31 <Sepho> and what about if I want to show just an image? like an image of 1/3 of screen size? I know I need to create then for xdpi, xhdpi and ldpi, but I would like a kind of template for mdpi in order to know screen size and design all interface for that resolution and then scale all images by 1.5, 0.75...
Jan 27 11:37:29 <rohdef> you can create the image in the different sizes but you have to know that it will sooner or later scale
Jan 27 11:37:52 <monsti> sell i have one image for my splash screen
Jan 27 11:37:55 <lasserix> Generally you want to scale images only down, and then not too much
Jan 27 11:38:05 <StingRay_> Sepho well you would have max size only
Jan 27 11:38:09 <monsti> and it scales
Jan 27 11:38:13 <StingRay_> no
Jan 27 11:38:15 <StingRay_> dont scale it
Jan 27 11:38:20 <StingRay_> thats silly
Jan 27 11:38:26 <StingRay_> get bitmap options
Jan 27 11:38:37 <StingRay_> and load only the info based on screen size
Jan 27 11:38:47 <StingRay_> that way you can have a 1 size fits all
Jan 27 11:39:08 <monsti> of course this dpeneds if you want one apk for ldpi and xxhdpi devices
Jan 27 11:39:11 <StingRay_> bitmap options pre load allows you to do pixel binning
Jan 27 11:39:38 <rohdef> does anyone have experience with this http://code.google.com/p/android-binding/ ? Is it any good?
Jan 27 11:40:00 <monsti> rohdef: o am one of the autor
Jan 27 11:40:10 <rohdef> and is it correct that I can't find better solutions?
Jan 27 11:40:17 <rohdef> monsti, ah nice :)
Jan 27 11:40:33 <monsti> rohdef: we moved to  git and i didn't yet checked in my most recent updates
Jan 27 11:40:52 <monsti> rohdef: i made two commercial products
Jan 27 11:41:06 <rohdef> monsti, I've been wondering why I can't find anything in the base sdk :/
Jan 27 11:41:25 <Sepho> thanks! :)
Jan 27 11:41:34 <monsti> rohdef: what do you mean by base sdk?
Jan 27 11:41:43 <Sepho> I'm reading another article about sizes... it's confusing at first
Jan 27 11:42:11 <rohdef> monsti, the Android tools from Google, seems I can find much on databinding for the gui apart from an ArrayAdapter for lists
Jan 27 11:42:21 <Sepho> I've been developing for iphone for a year and this conecpt its totally different
Jan 27 11:42:48 <monsti> rohdef: well android-binding is mvvm
Jan 27 11:42:59 <rohdef> monsti, btw. glad to see you use the MIT license, definitely a big plus in my book
Jan 27 11:43:22 <monsti> rohdef: there is sort of databinding in the api but not that nice
Jan 27 11:45:38 <rohdef> monsti, doesn't sound too promising for the api :/
Jan 27 11:46:01 <rohdef> monsti, but then I guess that's the reason you created android-binding :)
Jan 27 11:46:09 <monsti> rohdef: what doo you mean?
Jan 27 11:46:34 <monsti> rohdef: rohdef: it's not my baby - i just made it fusefull ;)
Jan 27 11:47:16 <rohdef> ah ok :) but I guess that it might be worth my time to look into then. Do you know of anything that you would say I should be aware of?
Jan 27 11:47:31 <monsti> rohdef: i didn't like that findViewById stuff and adding callbacks to every view
Jan 27 11:48:02 <monsti> rohdef: the binding example - you have every widget inclding viewmodels + the xmls
Jan 27 11:49:05 <monsti> rohdef: are you familiar with mvvm?
Jan 27 11:49:44 <rohdef> monsti, I've been using it half-hearted a while back, so I can't remember much and what I do I don't trust that much :p
Jan 27 11:51:51 <rohdef> I've always had a hard time with UI patters, I often find the explanations confusing or vague. I think Scott Hanselmann put it nicely about MVC and the typical 3-circle-diagram, when he said "Thank you three circles, now I feel enlightened" (ofc. with a slight hint of sarcasm)
Jan 27 11:52:49 <monsti> well mvvm isn't that easy to understand and to use
Jan 27 11:53:33 <monsti> but once you get it, you can do magic with less code and more flexibility
Jan 27 11:56:04 <rohdef> monsti, what I seem to recall is: I have a  normal almost as normally although I make it observable on all properties, then the vm listens to those and communicate changes from the view to the model and takes care of business logic, whereas the view binds to the vm and basically only takes care of presentation
Jan 27 11:57:32 <rohdef> monsti, but I'm not even sure if it's entirely correct :/
Jan 27 11:57:48 <monsti> rohdef: yes- as you have no properties in java you have to use the observable types
Jan 27 11:58:15 <monsti> rohdef: there is StringObservable Text; and you have to do a Text.set("my new value");
Jan 27 11:58:53 <rohdef> monsti, I still think of the private Foo bar; public Foo getBar(){}; public void setBar(Foo bar) {}, as properties, although you're right technically they're not
Jan 27 11:59:24 <monsti> rohdef: you can use set/get but it's not recomended
Jan 27 11:59:45 <monsti> rohdef: your class has to implement a IPropertyChanged interfance - using the Observable types in VMs is recomended
Jan 27 12:02:54 <rohdef> monsti, so basically if I am to do this I should do: public class Foo implements IPropertyChanged {...}
Jan 27 12:03:52 <rohdef> hmm I think I should try to find a code example, might be better :)
Jan 27 12:04:03 <Sepho> If tutorial says: create 48x48 dp icon size. This means to create a 48x48 pixels icon as mdpi and then scale for the rest of screen sizes?
Jan 27 12:09:37 <StingRay_> Sepho no
Jan 27 12:09:46 <StingRay_> dp is not pixels
Jan 27 12:09:49 <StingRay_> px is pixel
Jan 27 12:10:18 <StingRay_> are you quite good with photoshop ?
Jan 27 12:10:31 <lasserix> you have to make each l . m . h . x some multiple of some base size in px,
Jan 27 12:11:33 <Sepho> but i've read 1dp = 1px in mdpi
Jan 27 12:11:44 <lasserix> right, and on ldpi it's .75
Jan 27 12:11:46 <Sepho> StingRay_: nop, I'm the developer part, a friend of mine is the designer :P
Jan 27 12:11:51 <lasserix> and on hdpi is 1.5*
Jan 27 12:12:02 <StingRay_> lasserix thats wrong
Jan 27 12:12:06 <StingRay_> no it isnt
Jan 27 12:12:23 <StingRay_> dp at mdpi != 1px
Jan 27 12:12:49 <StingRay_> there is no guarantee of that at all !
Jan 27 12:13:21 <Sepho> so, if I read "create 48x48 dp launcher icon", how can I create on photpshop for 4 screen sizes? I need to use one as "baseline", don't I? I open photoshop and try to design my icon, so... what size should it be?
Jan 27 12:13:58 <StingRay_> Sepho well thats just an image ? thought you were talking scalable buttons
Jan 27 12:14:21 <Sepho> I mean launcher icon
Jan 27 12:14:24 <lasserix> sepho: you make your image with some dimension/ aspect ratio in photoshop, then output each of four sizes based on the ratio you need
Jan 27 12:14:56 <StingRay_> lasserix for an logo/icon how would the aspect change ?
Jan 27 12:15:05 <StingRay_> it really wouldn't
Jan 27 12:15:14 <lasserix> i dont remember the ratio of the top of my head, but it looks like 32 : 48 : 64
Jan 27 12:15:22 <lasserix> dimensions / aspect ratio
Jan 27 12:16:03 <lasserix> so a xhdpi image must be twice as large in px as its mdpi counterpart for two devices m and xhdpi to have the image take up the same physical dimensions
Jan 27 12:16:07 <StingRay_> aspect is relationship between width height
Jan 27 12:16:12 <lasserix> yeah yeah
Jan 27 12:16:16 <lasserix> unimportant
Jan 27 12:17:13 <lasserix> Sepho: sorry I am being a little incoherent, but you can take a baseline of whatever you want and then export the image with dimensions multiplied by some ratio
Jan 27 12:17:31 <lasserix> for each of the 4 different dpi's
Jan 27 12:17:40 <lasserix> notice however no one supports ldpi
Jan 27 12:17:44 <lasserix> anymore
Jan 27 12:17:52 <Sepho> ok, thanks!! :)
Jan 27 12:18:03 <lasserix> if you look at http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/icon_design.html#templatespack
Jan 27 12:18:46 <lasserix> it has the icons for m / h / xh as 32x32 : 48x48: 64x64 so I imagine you can just use the same ratios for whatever baseline dimensions you end up using
Jan 27 12:18:59 <Sepho> wow, great!!
Jan 27 12:19:13 <Sepho> thank so much!
Jan 27 12:19:14 <sonOfRa> anyone have an idea what this method does?
Jan 27 12:19:16 <sonOfRa> public void testAndroidTestCaseSetupProperly ()
Jan 27 12:19:25 <Sepho> and sorry for my english! :(
Jan 27 12:19:36 <sonOfRa> it's a member of AndroidTestCase, but the APIdoc doesn't say anything about what it does
Jan 27 12:19:52 <lasserix> think that's like isUserAGoat
Jan 27 12:21:04 <lasserix> sepho: there is also a library to use SVG files in android, if you'd prefer to do that (dont have the link offhand though)
Jan 27 12:23:39 <sonOfRa> it's kind of adding a test for each test class that will show up in jenkins and test coverage, it's odd
Jan 27 13:11:15 <iljo> hi, i have a custom listview which includes an image, is there a way to show the listview with all the text shown and show the images as they load? i load images in asynctask
Jan 27 13:14:38 <StingRay_> thats what it's for
Jan 27 13:14:46 <StingRay_> or yeah
Jan 27 13:14:48 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 27 13:15:36 <iljo> well, my code still waits until everything is loaded, do i have to set any priorities or something?
Jan 27 13:19:17 <StingRay_> where are you starting the async ?
Jan 27 13:23:12 <iljo> http://pastebin.com/R8Hh804S here's the method
Jan 27 13:36:22 <SimonVT> By calling get() you're blocking the ui thread until the asynctask finishes
Jan 27 13:42:21 <iljo> so how would i do that then?
Jan 27 13:42:49 <SimonVT> Don't set the image until your asynctask is done
Jan 27 13:42:55 <iljo> i need the get() to, you know... actually get the image :)
Jan 27 13:45:28 <SimonVT> Not if your asynctask has a reference to the imageview and sets the image in onpostexecute
Jan 27 13:45:58 <SimonVT> There are lots of libraries that do this for you, you should probably just use one of those
Jan 27 13:47:27 <iljo> ok, thanks for your help
Jan 27 13:52:13 <l0rdkadaj> UrlImageViewHelper
Jan 27 13:56:10 <LemoncogFoReal> Has anyone tried using the property manifestmerger.enabled=true when building with ant? I have an ant target that calls clean, loadproperties then <antcall target="release">, the release target seems to be ignoring my properties file as its saying manifestmerger is disabled :S
Jan 27 13:59:58 <Joozey> can get operations cause racing conditions when called from different threads?
Jan 27 14:00:35 <Joozey> if so, I have no clue how to make the ui thread share the business model with other threads
Jan 27 14:02:33 <gancar> Hi all, I'm not sure if anyone could help me but the IP Camera app which provides a live stream of wherever the phone is located. Is there a way to set up something to continually record the live stream?
Jan 27 14:03:44 <misterli> any idea why http://pastebin.com/LjL9TiRu  the camerapreview is not working while secure keyguard is locked?
Jan 27 14:10:57 <Lutwidge> hey, dumb question, perhaps, but I'm trying to restore a bitmap to an activity when restarted...
Jan 27 14:11:31 <Lutwidge> I see a lot of putInt() and other methods for the bundle I'm passing
Jan 27 14:11:52 <Lutwidge> What's the preferred way to put a Bitmap?
Jan 27 14:11:53 <LemoncogFoReal> Bitmaps can be very large, I wouldn't put it in the bundle. Instead cache it somewhere and pass an ID into the bundle you can then use to retrieve the bitmap
Jan 27 14:12:03 <Lutwidge> OK, that's what I figured
Jan 27 14:12:13 <Lutwidge> sadly I can't just redraw the screen from simple data
Jan 27 14:12:34 <Lutwidge> how would I cache it?
Jan 27 14:12:42 <Lutwidge> I mean, I could save it to a file I guess
Jan 27 14:12:58 <Lutwidge> sort of sad to have to do that.
Jan 27 14:13:03 <LemoncogFoReal> yeah, or you could make a singleton that stores it in memory
Jan 27 14:13:14 <Lutwidge> singleton that stores it in memory...
Jan 27 14:13:22 <Lutwidge> oh, wait, can't I just use a static variable
Jan 27 14:13:34 <Lutwidge> that would probably do it
Jan 27 14:13:36 <Lutwidge> D'oh
Jan 27 14:13:45 <Lutwidge> Or is there some good reason why that's a bad plan
Jan 27 14:14:04 <StingRay_> Lutwidge just cache it to disk
Jan 27 14:14:07 <StingRay_> how big is it ?
Jan 27 14:14:20 <Lutwidge> I'm not sure, basically about a 400x400 bitmap
Jan 27 14:14:30 <StingRay_> disk/file then
Jan 27 14:14:36 <StingRay_> nothing to re-read
Jan 27 14:14:44 <Lutwidge> I see, that way the app plays nicer?
Jan 27 14:14:49 <Lutwidge> Doesn't lug around junk in memory
Jan 27 14:16:21 <Lutwidge> OK, thanks, that clears some stuff up
Jan 27 14:40:37 <misterli> Is there any problem with IntentService and an implented SurfaceHolder.Callback? onHandleIntent gets called but my surfaceCALLBACKS() are not?
Jan 27 14:42:06 <misterli> (its been called in a Service, not a Serviceintent and in the onCreate()). But i want to handle it in a ServiceIntent ..
Jan 27 14:46:26 <sonOfRa> Yesterday night nobody seemed to know, but is there any good reason why android is still using junit3?
Jan 27 14:46:35 <sonOfRa> junit4 has been out for so many years now...
Jan 27 14:46:52 <pragma-> junit has nothing on my gunit
Jan 27 14:53:49 <DOSP> Guys can you tell me what can be wrong ? I have layouts -large-hdpi and large-tvdpi and norma-mdpi .. and yet, when i start my app in BluesStacks it will show Different layout. It is the layout iam working on, but it doesnt have for example onClick impelemnted on buttons and so on. Sorry for so chaotic question, but i dont know what can be issue and how to explain it
Jan 27 14:55:04 <Gaming4JC> Hey guys,  I'm trying to find CodeSourcery (GNU/Linux 2009q3) which is needed for a kernel compile - unfortunately mentorgraphics has killed all the links to it
Jan 27 14:55:14 <Gaming4JC> Anyone know where I might be able to find it?
Jan 27 15:13:36 <Gaming4JC> found http://www.nas-central.org/wiki/Setting_up_the_codesourcery_toolchain_for_X86_to_ARM9_cross_compiling but it's still giving me arm-2011.03-41
Jan 27 15:13:44 <Gaming4JC> :|
Jan 27 15:45:48 <iljo> SimonVT: if you're still here, I just wanted to tell you I followed your advice, and the thing works as I wanted it to work.
Jan 27 16:16:24 <brainv> is gcm is unreliable? i find out that it takes morethatn 5mins before the message arrive on my phone. any link that might help me to have instant delivery of gcm push message to my phone?
Jan 27 16:17:46 <brainv> or gcm really fuckup?
Jan 27 16:19:00 <vavirta> usually gcm delievers the message in few seconds
Jan 27 16:19:15 <vavirta> but you should member that there is no guarantee that message is delivered
Jan 27 16:22:43 <brainv> vavirta: agree on that. do you exeperience the delay or no messsage deliver at all?
Jan 27 16:24:27 <brainv> so GCM really fuckup!
Jan 27 16:30:50 <vavirta> dunno
Jan 27 16:31:25 <brainv> now i'm fuck up!!!
Jan 27 16:53:53 <J1m> anyone here using scala?
Jan 27 16:58:57 <xorgate> brainv unreliable yes
Jan 27 16:59:46 <theodordem87_> I have a view which implements onTouch and I want to get an event for each finger I press. How can I do that?
Jan 27 17:01:13 <SimonVT> You already do get events for each finger
Jan 27 17:03:10 <theodordem87_> Sorry my mistake. I meant at he same time. For example if I am in ACTION_MOVE with one finger and I touch with another finger the onTouch is not called again.
Jan 27 17:03:19 <theodordem87_> *he = the
Jan 27 17:04:19 <theodordem87_> *at the same time= concurrently
Jan 27 17:07:22 <SimonVT> I'm assuming you mean onTouchEvent.. You should be getting events for both fingers
Jan 27 17:14:36 <pragma-> that's what she said
Jan 27 17:29:30 <ansgarm> hey folks, does anybody know a setting for a TextView to only make a new line when there's a \n in the String but not if the view is to narrow? ellipsize=none alone doesn't work (Layout is in a ListView)
Jan 27 17:29:50 <\n> hi
Jan 27 17:29:55 <\n> I have no idea, sorry :P
Jan 27 17:40:28 <k-joseph> hi to you all, am kindly requesting your assistance as far this line of code is concerned,     	mServ = ((MusicService.ServiceBinderbinder).getService(); it gives an error that ) is missing, thanks
Jan 27 17:42:12 <ansgarm> ah, found something, I've got to write my own transformation method
Jan 27 17:43:00 <k-joseph> am adding a background music to my app
Jan 27 17:44:47 <Lutwidge> hey, is there a factory-rolled Dialog class for just asking a question and getting an answer in some generic EditText widget?
Jan 27 17:45:12 <Lutwidge> Basically the Android equivilent of Input $Name :)
Jan 27 17:45:41 <Lutwidge> Or do I have to make my own freaking xml file for that.
Jan 27 17:45:45 <Ge0rG> Lutwidge: AlertDialog.Builder
Jan 27 17:46:33 <Lutwidge> I thought that just tells you stuff, didn't realize you could get back something in an EditText from it, OK
Jan 27 17:46:39 <Lutwidge> Yay
Jan 27 17:52:57 <Lutwidge> hmm, trying to find the method for just setting a simple EditText in AlertDialog
Jan 27 17:53:01 <Lutwidge> I don't see it
Jan 27 17:53:11 <Lutwidge> I see ways to set checkboxes and radio buttons and stuff
Jan 27 17:53:28 <monsti> Lutwidge: you have to create a xml layout with an edittext
Jan 27 17:53:31 <monsti> or a layout by code
Jan 27 17:53:37 <Lutwidge> damn
Jan 27 17:53:39 <Lutwidge> That's what I thought
Jan 27 17:53:46 <Lutwidge> I mean, OK it's not hard to do that
Jan 27 17:53:50 <Lutwidge> But it's annoying :)
Jan 27 17:53:51 <monsti> Lutwidge: well 3 lines of code?
Jan 27 17:53:57 <Lutwidge> An extra file
Jan 27 17:54:03 <Lutwidge> bah
Jan 27 17:54:06 <Lutwidge> Fine
Jan 27 17:54:21 <Lutwidge> It should be possible to do this with AlertDialog
Jan 27 17:54:29 <k-joseph> has any one come accross  mServ = ((MusicService.ServiceBinderbinder).getService(); while adding music file to his app, how did you correct that, thanks
Jan 27 17:55:00 <monsti> Lutwidge: i don't take your blame ...
Jan 27 17:55:11 <varjag> how do i get phone device id for admob?
Jan 27 17:55:15 <Lutwidge> well, pass it along or something
Jan 27 17:55:30 <varjag> (to enable test banners)
Jan 27 17:55:31 <Lutwidge> hrumph :)
Jan 27 17:58:25 <Joozey> What´s up with API17 not updating?
Jan 27 17:58:58 <Joozey> Missing SDK Platform Android, API17
Jan 27 17:59:25 <Brewster> I am stuck on this part of the tutorial: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Jan 27 17:59:27 <Brewster> Near the end of the section, they remove the check for the api level and the getActionBar() method from earlier in the section. Do I need this? The @SuppressLint("NewApi") code also generates 2 error messages which I am not sure how to remove. These can be found on the following link:
Jan 27 17:59:29 <Brewster> http://pastebin.com/0zXYrCUX
Jan 27 17:59:46 <gwynne> Hi all - doing some NDK work, and having an odd issue. In an AVD running API 7, I'm trying to use my app's getCacheDir().getAbsolutePath() directory, but I'm always getting permission denied. Checking in adb shell shows permissions on the directory allow writing by the app's user, but su app_N && touch /data/data/com.myapp.myapp/cache/test returns permission denied. ...
Jan 27 17:59:51 <gwynne> ... Using a FileOutputStream on the Java side creates a file just fine. Does the system just only allow the VM to write to the filesystem in 2.1? (The same code worked just fine in an 4.2 AVD)
Jan 27 18:01:21 <Joozey> I see, clearing cache and forcing https when API17 fails to properly download helps
Jan 27 18:04:15 <monsti> gwynne: no you just can't write to any directory on a real device
Jan 27 18:04:56 <gwynne> monsti: I'm trying to write to the app's own cache directory. I understand the general filesystem restrictions.
Jan 27 18:05:13 <monsti> gwynne: yes that should be possible
Jan 27 18:05:47 <monsti> gwynne: i am not 100% sure if you need the storeage card access  entry in the manifest
Jan 27 18:06:01 <gwynne> But then why would it work from Java?
Jan 27 18:06:44 <monsti> gwynne: just trey out via log.v if it's the same directory
Jan 27 18:06:54 <gwynne> Already checked that.
Jan 27 18:07:05 <monsti> does the cache dir exist?
Jan 27 18:07:09 <gwynne> Yes.
Jan 27 18:07:16 <monsti> i have no idea how/when android creates the cache directory
Jan 27 18:08:08 <gwynne> Here's a thought - is touching the filesystem restricted to the app process itself? All my other attempts go through the shell's cp command.
Jan 27 18:08:35 <monsti> gwynne: the app process runs on a linux  uid
Jan 27 18:08:53 <gwynne> monsti: That's why I'm confused. I tried adb shell'ing in and su'ing to the app's uid.
Jan 27 18:08:57 <gwynne> That didn't work either.
Jan 27 18:09:12 <monsti> gwynne: no su on a real device ... get rid of that idea
Jan 27 18:09:49 <monsti> gwynne: did you try giving sdcard read(write permission and  put your stuff to sdcard?
Jan 27 18:10:33 <gwynne> monsti: I wasn't planning to use su on a real device, I was just trying to emulate the app's execution environment. Of course it works when shelled in as root.
Jan 27 18:10:57 <gwynne> monsti: I haven't tried doing it to sdcard yet, no, but that's not a solution anyway; sdcard is mounted noexec, I need to use the internal storage to copy from my native libraries directory.
Jan 27 18:12:35 <monsti> gwynne: i am not so much into ndk, isn't there a directory where you can put your .so files?
Jan 27 18:12:43 <monsti> so you don#t have to copy stuff
Jan 27 18:14:38 <gwynne> monsti: There is, but on API 7 the files aren't copied executable from the APK, so I need to copy the executable somewhere I can modify it so I can run it - and yes, I know this is deep and evil arcane magic, trust me when I say I'm not doing it for production ^^;
Jan 27 18:17:45 <k-joseph> i have solved the problem, afterwards:-)
Jan 27 18:19:12 <moro> Hello, anyone can help me with a notification problem? I want my notifications to make a little information like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9oMlpwfELE But in my app (Example code from here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/notifications.html) it just puts the notification in the notificationbar.
Jan 27 18:20:19 <moro> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m9oMlpwfELE#t=68s
Jan 27 18:24:08 <rafasc> hello.
Jan 27 18:25:04 <rafasc> I am building an app that uses nfc. Is there a way to pass the tech list in the res/tech_list.xml to the foregroud dispatch?
Jan 27 18:29:05 <valgrind> with AccountManager, if no gmail accounts were found on the machine, is it possible to force the user to signup/signin?
Jan 27 18:30:35 <monsti> Toast.shoow("You need an active GMail account"); System.exit(-1);
Jan 27 18:31:43 <clever> valgrind: ive also been wondering that
Jan 27 18:31:55 <valgrind> yea lol a toast doesnt help much :D
Jan 27 18:32:24 <monsti> valgrind: that's problem you can't solve by code
Jan 27 18:32:41 <monsti> e.g. "no SIM card present" can't be solved by code and i wonder why you want to do that
Jan 27 18:32:47 <clever> monsti: most apps open the page to add a google account when you need to add one
Jan 27 18:33:00 <monsti> clever: that's a different question
Jan 27 18:33:10 <clever> thats one i need answered
Jan 27 18:33:57 <monsti> well i wonder how the user installed your apk without a gmail account
Jan 27 18:34:06 <clever> ah, good question
Jan 27 18:34:13 <clever> i guess its safe to ignore that error
Jan 27 18:34:26 <valgrind> well you could prvide the code itself through git
Jan 27 18:34:32 <valgrind> and the user might build the apk himself
Jan 27 18:34:56 <monsti> so this is a 0.00000001% usecase?
Jan 27 18:35:40 <valgrind> well whatever, opening the webpage to signup/signin google would be a good solution? somethingl ike a hint...
Jan 27 18:37:08 <clever> valgrind: its an activity
Jan 27 18:37:21 <clever> i'm just not sure how to open the one you would need
Jan 27 18:37:57 <monsti> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10803132/programmatically-starting-the-add-google-account-activity-in-android
Jan 27 18:38:12 <monsti> but this is somehow shit
Jan 27 18:38:56 <monsti> the popup() method at the bottom does what you need
Jan 27 18:42:21 <valgrind> i was already trying the addaccount thing but couldnt get it to work, ill give this popup code a try :)
Jan 27 18:43:14 <valgrind> ah with the good parameters it works smoothly indeed!
Jan 27 18:43:42 <valgrind> if(accounts.length == 0) accountManager.addAccount("com.google", null, null, null, MainActivity.this, null, null);
Jan 27 18:44:15 <valgrind> if no accounts were found it comes up with a screeb asking for a vlid google account and asks the user to either use an existing one or create a new one
Jan 27 18:44:24 <valgrind> I was just calling addaccount bdly
Jan 27 18:45:01 <clever> valgrind: founds perfect
Jan 27 18:45:16 <valgrind> thx both of you
Jan 27 18:47:10 <clever> sounds*
Jan 27 18:54:32 <valgrind> There's only one stupid thing in the process... the application has its own window to ask for the pass... then it says ehi you have to login through the web and you have to enter your data again
Jan 27 18:54:40 <valgrind> but part from this works perfectly
Jan 27 19:11:59 <MartialLaw> hi
Jan 27 19:12:48 <MartialLaw> I have android support v4 installed on my eclipse but when I try to call getChildFragmentManager() it says that it is undefined... does anyone know how to fix this?
Jan 27 19:30:15 <JulienDev> MartialLaw: Are you inside a Fragment? Do you have the last release of v4?
Jan 27 19:50:33 <kakazza> Also, is your import the one from v4 and not the normal one
Jan 27 19:52:04 <misterli> Is there any problem with IntentService and an implented SurfaceHolder.Callback? onHandleIntent gets called but my surfaceCALLBACKS() are not?
Jan 27 19:52:06 <misterli> (its been called in a Service, not a Serviceintent and in the onCreate()). But i want to handle it in a ServiceIntent ..
Jan 27 20:04:28 <Joozey> Goodness, half an evening of updating and fixing super weird errors in the SDK and eclipse
Jan 27 20:06:26 <tona> hello guys
Jan 27 20:06:35 <tona> where can i download sqlite for android
Jan 27 20:07:34 <sonOfRa> you don't have to download it
Jan 27 20:07:36 <sonOfRa> it's included
Jan 27 20:07:55 <sonOfRa> If you want an ORM framework, I can recommend ORMLite or GreenDAO
Jan 27 20:08:04 <sonOfRa> ORMLite is subjectively better though
Jan 27 20:08:17 <sonOfRa> as it doesn't rely on odd code generation and other things
Jan 27 20:08:46 <tona> ok then why my apps dont run is close sudenly
Jan 27 20:09:10 <tona> i follow one tutorial in yputube
Jan 27 20:09:33 <tona> just appear one messange on my telepphone the aaplication stop
Jan 27 20:11:10 <tona> in eclipse say at andoird.ap.activitythread .performanceluachactivirty.java:2033
Jan 27 20:11:24 <tona> i dotn knwo what does it mean
Jan 27 20:14:36 <Brewster> I am stuck on this part of the tutorial: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Jan 27 20:14:38 <Brewster> Near the end of the section, they remove the check for the api level and the getActionBar() method from earlier in the section. Do I need this? The @SuppressLint("NewApi") code also generates 2 error messages which I am not sure how to remove. These can be found on the following link:
Jan 27 20:14:40 <Brewster> http://pastebin.com/0zXYrCUX
Jan 27 20:14:52 <Brewster> sorry for the repeat
Jan 27 20:17:11 <tona> where create my table sqlite in my phone
Jan 27 20:25:55 <meetoman> hey guys
Jan 27 20:26:04 <meetoman> what can I do to make my array run super fast?
Jan 27 20:26:19 <mdkess> Go to Kenya.
Jan 27 20:26:43 <Brewster> roller skates
Jan 27 20:26:48 <mdkess> Do you have code?
Jan 27 20:26:54 <mdkess> Depends what you mean by your question.
Jan 27 20:28:01 <mdkess> I'm trying to make the following layout: http://i49.tinypic.com/zksu1s.jpg - the green part right now is a linear layout, but I want to place the gray box overtop and offset a bit (an ImageView). If I do a relative layout, it seems to get clipped.
Jan 27 20:29:31 <MartialLaw> JulianDev - I solved the problem...didn't have the right library in my project
Jan 27 20:31:18 <MartialLaw> Does anyone know of a working sample of using FragmentTabHost? ie. tabs within a fragment? I know there is an android doc on the subject but a working sample would  really help me out. I would really appreciate it.
Jan 27 20:32:25 <meetoman> hey guys
Jan 27 20:32:53 <meetoman> the only way to remove all the duplicates in an ArrayList is to put it into a HashSet, right?
Jan 27 20:35:35 <SimonVT> It's _a_ way, not the only way
Jan 27 20:39:46 <Brewster> what is this line supposed to do and why is there an error?
Jan 27 20:39:47 <Brewster> @SuppressLint("NewApi")
Jan 27 20:40:42 <Brewster> oh wait nevermind
Jan 27 20:40:54 <Brewster> now the little error character disappeared
Jan 27 20:41:09 <Brewster> but I didn't do anything
Jan 27 20:41:30 <sonOfRa> The error probably disappeared because @SuppressLint was added
Jan 27 20:41:48 <Brewster> this was the error I got http://pastebin.com/0zXYrCUX
Jan 27 20:41:49 <sonOfRa> Suppress usually means to not show some kind of warning
Jan 27 20:42:06 <sonOfRa> oh, that's just a missing import probably
Jan 27 20:42:17 <Brewster> I already had the needed import but it insisted there was an error
Jan 27 20:42:29 <sonOfRa> sounds like eclipse being slow
Jan 27 20:42:30 <Brewster> but literally 30 seconds ago it disappeared
Jan 27 20:42:33 <Brewster> maybe
Jan 27 20:42:42 * Brewster idles just in case
Jan 27 20:43:57 <Quacked> If I want to run a method if user clicks on Notification, but don't want any popup/activity starting. How do I do that?
Jan 27 20:43:58 <Brewster> oh that reminds me of my other question
Jan 27 20:44:37 <Brewster> look here where it says "Create the Second Activity"
Jan 27 20:44:38 <Brewster> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Jan 27 20:45:08 <Quacked> Me?
Jan 27 20:45:18 <Brewster> uh
Jan 27 20:45:25 <Brewster> sure?
Jan 27 20:45:37 <Brewster> this is a question to anyone that can help
Jan 27 20:45:43 <Quacked> right
Jan 27 20:46:36 <monsti> there are some leaks of for the galaxy s4
Jan 27 20:46:54 <Brewster> it says to put an if block just in case the version is older than honeycomb but at the very end of that section, whoever made the tutorial must have forgotten that they put it there because it is missing
Jan 27 20:46:54 <monsti> 1080p/8core cpu/13mpixel cam
Jan 27 20:46:55 <meetoman> do you have a photo?
Jan 27 20:47:41 <monsti> no photo yet
Jan 27 20:48:08 <monsti> anyway samsung will beat the shit out of apple ;)
Jan 27 20:49:03 <DR01D-Engineer> sony too
Jan 27 20:49:16 <monsti> the sony tablet is soo nice the 6.5mm version
Jan 27 20:49:22 <DR01D-Engineer> xperia z looks awsome
Jan 27 20:49:54 <DR01D-Engineer> if it had a hard kb or dual screens it would be literally perfect
Jan 27 20:50:00 <DR01D-Engineer> but even without it is amazing
Jan 27 20:50:48 <monsti> i really hope we will see more android on TVs
Jan 27 20:51:54 <DR01D-Engineer> if they made tvs touchscreen it would help
Jan 27 20:52:14 <DR01D-Engineer> im just looking forward to ultraHD :)
Jan 27 20:52:33 <MartialLaw> Has anyone here tried to put tabs inside a fragment?
Jan 27 20:52:59 <monsti> apple tried touch screens some years ago
Jan 27 20:53:12 <monsti> and i belief them that this isn't very nice
Jan 27 20:53:25 <monsti> your arm goes limb after working 8h touching icons
Jan 27 20:53:59 <DR01D-Engineer> touch screen is the main android interface though... so without it i dont see android taking off on tvs
Jan 27 20:54:28 <monsti> archos got a nice solution for this
Jan 27 20:54:38 <DR01D-Engineer> i guess they could make the remote control scroll/select or something
Jan 27 20:54:49 <DR01D-Engineer> could work
Jan 27 20:55:18 <monsti> google must have some solution for a new user input interface for the glasses
Jan 27 20:55:40 <DR01D-Engineer> but then tv content providers, provide the interface for choosing channels etc... eg i have virgin media
Jan 27 20:55:58 <DR01D-Engineer> so it is up to those networks maybe
Jan 27 20:56:26 <monsti> the archos remote has even pinch/zoom
Jan 27 20:57:01 <DR01D-Engineer> it is pretty hard to guess where these technologies will be in 5 years
Jan 27 20:57:19 <DR01D-Engineer> everything changes so fast
Jan 27 20:57:27 <DR01D-Engineer> but it is exciting
Jan 27 20:58:29 <DR01D-Engineer> i like android dev.. because it is more dynamic... portable(wide device range).... i believe in adaptive tech... so android will adapt to whatever happens i think
Jan 27 20:59:48 <monsti> android is open technologie
Jan 27 20:59:58 <monsti> it can be used embedded or with a gui
Jan 27 21:00:04 <monsti> even for realtime
Jan 27 21:00:15 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh it seems like a modular system
Jan 27 21:00:26 <DR01D-Engineer> evolution!
Jan 27 21:01:10 <monsti> i have no idea where the TV industriy is going
Jan 27 21:01:39 <monsti> we have 4k TVs but no codecs nor transportable medias
Jan 27 21:02:12 <monsti> and 100gb for one movie is too much for downloading
Jan 27 21:02:38 <DR01D-Engineer> yeh true
Jan 27 21:03:32 <MelvinKelvin> is it possible to set an dynamically created menu item to the action bar?
Jan 27 21:04:00 <monsti> i do a hack
Jan 27 21:04:07 <monsti> i create 10 menu items with dummy names
Jan 27 21:04:17 <monsti> and make the items visible i need
Jan 27 21:05:34 <MelvinKelvin> i can see the items in the normal option menu but not in the action bar
Jan 27 21:06:33 <MelvinKelvin> in onCreateOptionsMenu(..).. I add the menu items
Jan 27 21:06:43 <tona> my datas are saved in sqlite /data/data/package/database but i cn not click on my root folder data access denied
Jan 27 21:07:38 <monsti> tona: you can't access /data on real devices - it's not possible on non rooted devices
Jan 27 21:08:13 <monsti> create some debug code to copy the database file to sdcard for debugging
Jan 27 21:14:51 <tona> how can i copy the database a sd card
Jan 27 21:16:58 <cooldman224> with root access
Jan 27 21:18:04 <tona> yes, supposely i have rooted my device
Jan 27 21:18:48 <cooldman224> then whatever app you are using has to enable root user access
Jan 27 21:19:31 <kakazza> Or do it with the adb shell
Jan 27 21:20:56 <cooldman224> yeah exactly
Jan 27 21:21:03 <tona> i tried to use adb shell but it not find the database
Jan 27 21:21:16 <tona> i follor one video sqlite
Jan 27 21:21:26 <kakazza> Did you do it as the root user?
Jan 27 21:21:31 <kakazza> As in, did you 'su'?
Jan 27 21:21:42 <kakazza> Did 'id' say you were root?
Jan 27 21:25:24 <tona> yes i found my problem , my database want created yet
Jan 27 21:25:55 <tona> supposely i follow one video to create register or reconrds in one table , and it cound add record
Jan 27 21:26:03 <tona> do you have one video to lerar sqlite
Jan 27 21:45:33 <Petein> any complete android frameworks in python?
Jan 27 21:46:18 <Brewster> I need help and this should explain almost everything http://pastebin.com/6hnaehdv
Jan 27 21:47:32 <dragorn> Petein: look up 'sl4a'
Jan 27 21:47:43 <dragorn> Petein: it's not particularly complete, but it's what exists.
Jan 27 21:50:33 <Petein> dragorn: aha.thanks
Jan 27 21:53:20 <Quacked> right
Jan 27 21:53:22 <Quacked> If I want to run a method if user clicks on Notification, but don't want any popup/activity starting. How do I do that?
Jan 27 21:54:28 <lgfreitas> Hai. My service is starting a new thread, which is in an infinite loop. UI still hangs, why?
Jan 27 21:55:06 <QcMat_> infinite loops arent really good whatever the thread...
Jan 27 21:55:18 <QcMat_> not sure on the specifics of non front thread loops though
Jan 27 21:55:43 <Brewster> :)
Jan 27 21:56:20 <bankai_> how do i configure eclipse includes/paths with the NDK to resolve things like GetStringUTFChars properly? I'm getting errors "Method 'GetStringUTFChars' cannot be resolved", but i know it can coz it compiles the lib :S
Jan 27 21:56:52 <lgfreitas> loop needs to be "infinite", its parsing the output of another process. Even if I sleep it by 1 second, I still get an ANR
Jan 27 21:57:45 <Quacked> I'm having AlarmManager show a notification when theres an alarm pending, and I want to dismiss the alarm when clearing the notification.
Jan 27 21:57:57 <Quacked> But I dont want clearing the notification to open a new activity
Jan 27 21:58:03 <Quacked> Any ideas?
Jan 27 21:58:56 <MDijkstra> the standard android alarm app does exactly this, it seems
Jan 27 21:59:02 <MDijkstra> don't know how, though
Jan 27 22:02:01 <MDijkstra> I guess what you could try is supplying a broadcast pendingintent to setContentIntent()
Jan 27 22:02:26 <tona> how can i enable access root using eclipse file explorer
Jan 27 22:02:47 <MDijkstra> ie, pendingintent.getBroadcast() instead of getActivity()
Jan 27 22:03:06 <MDijkstra> then implement a broadcastreceiver to handle it
Jan 27 22:05:07 <johny-b-goode> hello fellow android devs. I have a widget in widget.java file, it's resource layout in xml file, and provider info in .xml file. Compiles fine. When adding to screen on target machine, it says "Problem loading widget". How to debug the problem?
Jan 27 22:05:27 <johny-b-goode> logcat, and console tags do not show any errors in eclipse.
Jan 27 22:06:38 <brx_> johny-b-goode, i would try to wrap some code in try{}catch{} and do e.printStackTrace() in the catch to see some stacktrace
Jan 27 22:07:10 <johny-b-goode> brx_: in the java file that has the object that extends <LinearLayout xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
Jan 27 22:07:12 <johny-b-goode>     android:orientation="vertical"
Jan 27 22:07:15 <johny-b-goode>     android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:07:18 <johny-b-goode>     android:layout_height="match_parent">
Jan 27 22:07:20 <johny-b-goode>     <!-- android:background="@android:drawable/gallery_thumb"  -->
Jan 27 22:07:22 <johny-b-goode> 	<LinearLayout xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
Jan 27 22:07:25 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:layout_width="fill_parent"
Jan 27 22:07:28 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:07:30 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:orientation="horizontal" >
Jan 27 22:07:33 <johny-b-goode> 		<Button
Jan 27 22:07:35 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:id="@+id/btnSetFilter"
Jan 27 22:07:37 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_height="40dp"
Jan 27 22:07:40 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:text="@string/setfilter"
Jan 27 22:07:43 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="0dp"
Jan 27 22:07:43 <capella> FLOOD
Jan 27 22:07:45 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_weight="1"
Jan 27 22:07:48 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:ellipsize="end"
Jan 27 22:07:50 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:singleLine="true"
Jan 27 22:07:52 <capella> Use pastebin dude
Jan 27 22:07:53 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_marginTop="2dip"
Jan 27 22:07:55 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:ems="10"
Jan 27 22:07:57 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:gravity="left|center_vertical"
Jan 27 22:08:00 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_centerVertical="true"/>
Jan 27 22:08:03 <johny-b-goode> 		<!-- 	
Jan 27 22:08:05 <johny-b-goode> 		<Button
Jan 27 22:08:06 <brx_> thats a go johnny go go go go!!
Jan 27 22:08:08 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:id="@+id/btnAddNew"
Jan 27 22:08:10 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:08:13 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:08:15 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:text="Button" />
Jan 27 22:08:18 <johny-b-goode> 		-->
Jan 27 22:08:19 <Anoia> what an idiot
Jan 27 22:08:20 <johny-b-goode> 		<ImageView android:id="@+id/btnAddNew"
Jan 27 22:08:23 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="50dp"
Jan 27 22:08:25 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_height="40dp"
Jan 27 22:08:28 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:src="@drawable/addtodo"
Jan 27 22:08:30 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_marginRight="5dip"
Jan 27 22:08:33 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_centerVertical="true"/>
Jan 27 22:08:35 <johny-b-goode> 		
Jan 27 22:08:36 <bankai_> oh it's still going ... >_<
Jan 27 22:08:38 <johny-b-goode> 	</LinearLayout>
Jan 27 22:08:39 <Anoia> anyone fancy a kick?
Jan 27 22:08:40 <johny-b-goode> <!--    		    <padding android:top="0dp" android:right="0dp" android:bottom="0dp" android:left="0dp" /> -->
Jan 27 22:08:43 <johny-b-goode> <TextView android:id="@+id/text"
Jan 27 22:08:46 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_width="match_parent" android:layout_height="0dp"
Jan 27 22:08:47 <brx_> haha here comes the mnifest in a minute
Jan 27 22:08:48 <johny-b-goode>         android:gravity="center_vertical|center_horizontal"
Jan 27 22:08:51 <johny-b-goode>         android:textAppearance="?android:attr/textAppearanceMedium"
Jan 27 22:08:53 <johny-b-goode>         android:text="hello world!" />
Jan 27 22:08:56 <johny-b-goode>     <!-- The frame layout is here since we will be showing either
Jan 27 22:08:56 <capella> PASTEBIN.MOZILLA.ORG moron
Jan 27 22:08:58 <johny-b-goode>     the empty view or the list view.  -->
Jan 27 22:08:59 <Anoia> Keshi: they can;t easily stop it once it's started
Jan 27 22:09:00 <zinx> -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
Jan 27 22:09:01 <johny-b-goode>     <FrameLayout
Jan 27 22:09:03 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:09:04 <zinx> yes they can
Jan 27 22:09:06 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_height="0dip"
Jan 27 22:09:07 <zinx> all they have to do is /quit
Jan 27 22:09:08 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_weight="1" >
Jan 27 22:09:11 <johny-b-goode>         <!-- Here is the list. Since we are using a ListActivity, we
Jan 27 22:09:13 <johny-b-goode>              have to call it "@android:id/list" so ListActivity will
Jan 27 22:09:15 <Anoia> oh yeah, forgot that
Jan 27 22:09:16 <johny-b-goode>              find it -->
Jan 27 22:09:18 <johny-b-goode>         <ListView
Jan 27 22:09:21 <johny-b-goode>             android:id="@android:id/list"
Jan 27 22:09:21 <zinx> /quit takes effect immediately
Jan 27 22:09:22 <Anoia> sometimes a /cycle does it too
Jan 27 22:09:23 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:09:25 <zinx> yeah
Jan 27 22:09:26 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_height="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:09:28 <johny-b-goode>             android:drawSelectorOnTop="false"
Jan 27 22:09:31 <johny-b-goode>             android:minHeight="?android:attr/listPreferredItemHeight" />
Jan 27 22:09:32 <brx_> johny-b-goode ./jump
Jan 27 22:09:33 <johny-b-goode> <!-- Here is the view to show if the list is emtpy -->
Jan 27 22:09:34 <brx_> johny-b-goode ./jump
Jan 27 22:09:36 <johny-b-goode>         <TextView
Jan 27 22:09:38 <johny-b-goode>             android:id="@android:id/empty"
Jan 27 22:09:41 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:09:43 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_height="462dp"
Jan 27 22:09:46 <Keshi> Anoia: We were not talking.
Jan 27 22:09:46 <johny-b-goode>             android:text="@string/no_items"
Jan 27 22:09:48 <johny-b-goode>             android:textAppearance="?android:attr/textAppearanceMedium"
Jan 27 22:09:51 <johny-b-goode>             android:textColor="#FF0000" />
Jan 27 22:09:53 <johny-b-goode> </FrameLayout>
Jan 27 22:09:56 <johny-b-goode> </LinearLayout><LinearLayout xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
Jan 27 22:09:56 <capella> ignores
Jan 27 22:09:59 <johny-b-goode>     android:orientation="vertical"
Jan 27 22:10:01 <johny-b-goode>     android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:10:04 <johny-b-goode>     android:layout_height="match_parent">
Jan 27 22:10:06 <johny-b-goode>     <!-- android:background="@android:drawable/gallery_thumb"  -->
Jan 27 22:10:09 <johny-b-goode> <LinearLayout xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
Jan 27 22:10:11 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:layout_width="fill_parent"
Jan 27 22:10:14 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:10:16 <johny-b-goode> 	    android:orientation="horizontal" >
Jan 27 22:10:19 <johny-b-goode> <Button
Jan 27 22:10:21 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:id="@+id/btnSetFilter"
Jan 27 22:10:24 <Anoia> Keshi: sorry, misread and mistabbed the name :)
Jan 27 22:10:24 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_height="40dp"
Jan 27 22:10:26 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:text="@string/setfilter"
Jan 27 22:10:29 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="0dp"
Jan 27 22:10:31 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_weight="1"
Jan 27 22:10:34 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:ellipsize="end"
Jan 27 22:10:36 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:singleLine="true"
Jan 27 22:10:39 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_marginTop="2dip"
Jan 27 22:10:41 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:ems="10"
Jan 27 22:10:44 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:gravity="left|center_vertical"
Jan 27 22:10:46 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_centerVertical="true"/>
Jan 27 22:10:49 <johny-b-goode> 		<!-- 	
Jan 27 22:10:51 <johny-b-goode> 		<Button
Jan 27 22:10:54 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:id="@+id/btnAddNew"
Jan 27 22:10:56 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:10:59 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Jan 27 22:11:01 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:text="Button" />
Jan 27 22:11:04 <johny-b-goode> 		-->
Jan 27 22:11:06 <johny-b-goode> 		<ImageView android:id="@+id/btnAddNew"
Jan 27 22:11:09 <johny-b-goode> 		    android:layout_width="50dp"
Jan 27 22:11:11 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_height="40dp"
Jan 27 22:11:14 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:src="@drawable/addtodo"
Jan 27 22:11:16 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_marginRight="5dip"
Jan 27 22:11:19 <johny-b-goode> 	        android:layout_centerVertical="true"/>
Jan 27 22:11:21 <johny-b-goode> 		
Jan 27 22:11:24 <johny-b-goode> 	</LinearLayout>
Jan 27 22:11:26 <johny-b-goode> 	<!--    		    <padding android:top="0dp" android:right="0dp" android:bottom="0dp" android:left="0dp" /> -->
Jan 27 22:11:29 <johny-b-goode> 	<TextView android:id="@+id/text"
Jan 27 22:11:32 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_width="match_parent" android:layout_height="0dp"
Jan 27 22:11:34 <johny-b-goode>         android:gravity="center_vertical|center_horizontal"
Jan 27 22:11:37 <johny-b-goode>         android:textAppearance="?android:attr/textAppearanceMedium"
Jan 27 22:11:39 <johny-b-goode>         android:text="hello world!" />
Jan 27 22:11:42 <johny-b-goode>     <!-- The frame layout is here since we will be showing either
Jan 27 22:11:44 <johny-b-goode>     the empty view or the list view.  -->
Jan 27 22:11:47 <johny-b-goode> <FrameLayout
Jan 27 22:11:49 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:11:52 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_height="0dip"
Jan 27 22:11:54 <johny-b-goode>         android:layout_weight="1" >
Jan 27 22:11:57 <johny-b-goode>         <!-- Here is the list. Since we are using a ListActivity, we
Jan 27 22:11:59 <johny-b-goode>              have to call it "@android:id/list" so ListActivity will
Jan 27 22:12:02 <johny-b-goode>              find it -->
Jan 27 22:12:04 <johny-b-goode>         <ListView
Jan 27 22:12:07 <johny-b-goode>             android:id="@android:id/list"
Jan 27 22:12:09 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:12:12 <johny-b-goode>             android:layout_height="match_parent"
Jan 27 22:12:20 <Anoia> /ignore seems to have worked for me :)
Jan 27 22:13:13 <bankai_> hes stopped
Jan 27 22:13:25 <brx_> pastebin johny-b-goode
Jan 27 22:13:32 <johny-b-goode> ok, sorry didnt' realize the paste going on. sorry again.
Jan 27 22:13:48 <bankai_> how could you not realise ?
Jan 27 22:13:53 <capella> newb
Jan 27 22:14:10 <johny-b-goode> bankai_: 'coz on my end it paste really fast and stopped showing further pastes.
Jan 27 22:14:17 <brx_> catching an error might give enough info to fix it johny-b-goode
Jan 27 22:14:27 <Anoia> johny-b-goode: did you tell irssi to paste even after it said it "was 100 odd lines, are you sure you want to be a numpty?"
Jan 27 22:14:32 <capella> mozilla's smart enough to auto-kick those guys
Jan 27 22:14:40 <Anoia> bankai_: sending end appears instant
Jan 27 22:14:48 <johny-b-goode> Anoia: I simply right-click in putty. and it went.
Jan 27 22:14:53 <brx_> lol
Jan 27 22:15:04 <saltmiser> woo putty pasting
Jan 27 22:15:11 <Anoia> johny-b-goode: irssi should prompt to make sure you;re sure if it's more then a few lines
Jan 27 22:15:34 <Keshi> johny-b-goode: It would have flooded you offline, so your client would have slowed it down "flood control".  It should have displayed like that though.  IRC servers send lines for if messages get to the channel or not… even to people who send them.
Jan 27 22:15:34 <johny-b-goode> Anoia: it didn't. would you like to use putty and copy a huge buffer and try pasting?
Jan 27 22:15:54 <Anoia> johny-b-goode: I do frequently
Jan 27 22:16:11 <tplaner> hey guys, anyone know of anything I can check to attempt to figure out why android:windowSoftInputMode="adjustResize" isn't working? when the soft keyboard appears the screen just stays the same size...
Jan 27 22:16:13 <johny-b-goode> EVERYONE: all I did was right-click, and ti went. It pasted the entire thing once and stopped pasting anymore. I could your texts saying it's still going. but can't stop it.
Jan 27 22:16:17 <Anoia> normally accidently
Jan 27 22:16:41 <johny-b-goode> now, I regularly see the over the limit paste warnings. On this it didn't show.
Jan 27 22:17:09 <johny-b-goode> and I don't care to repeat it to see if it will do it again.
Jan 27 22:17:20 <Anoia> [#test3] Hit Ctrl-K to paste, Ctrl-C to abort?
Jan 27 22:17:27 <brx_> dare ya :P
Jan 27 22:17:30 <Anoia> oh well
Jan 27 22:17:45 <Keshi> johny-b-goode: You could have closed the application.
Jan 27 22:17:58 <johny-b-goode> enough said. if you'd like to help, please do. If not, bitching about ti isn't going to change it.
Jan 27 22:17:58 <Anoia> Keshi: they couldn;t tell from that end
Jan 27 22:18:08 <Anoia> johny-b-goode: have you pastebined it yet?
Jan 27 22:18:15 <Keshi> Anoia: Yes, he said people were telling him though.
Jan 27 22:18:29 <johny-b-goode> Anoia: smh. you didn't read anything I posted. I said I was simply pasting a classname. not pasting code.
Jan 27 22:18:48 <brx_> i dont mind i thought it was pretty smooth johny-b-goode
Jan 27 22:19:11 <Anoia> ah, no, I ignored half of what you said
Jan 27 22:19:58 <johny-b-goode> honestly, I said I was sorry and I figured admitting a mistake would be enough to get a technicall minded group of people to see and forgive the mistake. But meh, I spent more time explaining myself to people who just wanna preach.
Jan 27 22:20:15 <brx_> wtf man i wanted to help him
Jan 27 22:20:21 <brx_> he cant pastebin code
Jan 27 22:20:37 <Anoia> oh well
Jan 27 22:20:38 <tplaner> everyone can paste bin code
Jan 27 22:23:01 <tona> how can i check if sqlite is installed in adroid
Jan 27 22:23:03 <Anoia> I wasn;t, I just missed most of what they actually said as half was /ignored, the other half had disappeared way up into the scrollback buffer
Jan 27 22:23:08 <Anoia> tona: it is.
Jan 27 22:23:59 <tona> i am using adb
Jan 27 22:24:17 <Anoia> it still is
Jan 27 22:24:31 <Anoia> afaik, it's included as standard
Jan 27 22:24:43 <Anoia> and it's also availbale thorugh adb shell
Jan 27 22:25:14 <tona> i am using adb devices,  i tried to type sqlite3 in command-line it saaid command dont recognized
Jan 27 22:25:25 <Anoia> what command line?
Jan 27 22:25:34 <Anoia> the windows/unix one or from adb shell?
Jan 27 22:25:51 <Anoia> or from the device itself?
Jan 27 22:26:11 <tona> in windows adb shell
Jan 27 22:27:31 <Anoia> so this isn;t working for you?
Jan 27 22:27:31 <Anoia> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1964077/how-can-you-access-the-contents-of-android-emulator-databases
Jan 27 22:27:46 <Anoia> odd, I thought it was part of the android base
Jan 27 22:28:03 <tona> in fact of i tried to run sqlite3 into my device and it is not
Jan 27 22:28:58 <tona> i used it before
Jan 27 22:29:09 <tona> i think i dont have sqlite3 instaled on my devices
Jan 27 22:29:26 <tona> i tried to run iitse it saied not found
Jan 27 22:29:51 <Anoia> then I guess it's not
Jan 27 22:30:44 <mdkess> What View should I use to make a colored box? I'm trying to layout http://i49.tinypic.com/zksu1s.jpg , and I've realized that the TextView and the background probably have to be different elements.
Jan 27 22:32:53 <mdkess> Basically, I want the textView to be to the right of the floating gray box. So I figured, relative layout. But now I'm not sure what to do about the background part. Thinking a linear layout with empty TextViews, but that seems hacky.
Jan 27 22:33:05 <tona> i have cyangenmod and it dont have sqlite3
Jan 27 22:37:27 <kakazza> The binaries aren't installed I think, but you can still use it from within your app in Java.
Jan 27 22:37:46 <kakazza> But before we go fruther, what exactly are you trying to do that requires you to run sqlite binaries on a device?
Jan 27 22:39:17 <tona> i have cyangenmod and it dont have sqlite3, how can i install it
Jan 27 22:43:33 <tona> i am creating onea pplcation run sqlite
Jan 27 22:44:05 <tona> can you tell me how to install binaries sqlite3
Jan 27 22:47:56 <saltmiser> what is this
Jan 27 22:48:12 <saltmiser> cynagenmod doesn't have sqlite3?
Jan 27 22:48:53 <saltmiser> oh
Jan 27 22:49:11 <saltmiser> yeah tona you can only use sqlite3 from Java code
Jan 27 22:49:26 <saltmiser> I don't think sqlite3 is even installed on Android, the way it is installed on a comparable (heh!) Linux machine
Jan 27 22:49:44 <saltmiser> Android's SQLite seems to be implemented in Java
Jan 27 22:50:33 <saltmiser> there is some crazy way to import an exported sqlite3 database into Android (from Java, that is)
Jan 27 22:51:07 <saltmiser> this just gave me a good idea for an app, it'd be a charm on a rooted phone: Java sqlite3 console, with root access you could open up any app's db
Jan 27 22:51:37 <saltmiser> it'd be one hell of a debug tool, too, hmm..
Jan 27 22:52:18 <kakazza> tona: http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html
Jan 27 22:52:23 <kakazza> You do not need the binarie
Jan 27 22:54:23 <saltmiser> this channel is about android development, right
Jan 27 22:54:27 <saltmiser> like talk about the API, etc.
Jan 27 22:54:36 <saltmiser> because I've been itching to debate some ContentValues vs. Bundle
Jan 27 22:56:42 <saltmiser> anyone?
Jan 27 22:59:02 <lgfreitas> is it ok to have an AsyncTask that never returns?
Jan 27 22:59:20 <lgfreitas> never = while the activity is opened
Jan 27 22:59:58 <saltmiser> I think the AsyncTask Thread out to have a way to finish
Jan 27 23:00:11 <saltmiser> what are you doing that the task would never finish? animating stuff?
Jan 27 23:00:15 <lgfreitas> no
Jan 27 23:00:18 <funkbox> lgfreitas: what do you want to do
Jan 27 23:00:23 <lgfreitas> reading output from logcat
Jan 27 23:00:34 <lgfreitas> parsing it
Jan 27 23:00:38 <lgfreitas> and displaying it
Jan 27 23:00:52 <saltmiser> I think you'd be fine
Jan 27 23:01:20 <saltmiser> where in the Activity lifecycle do you tell the Thread to stop?
Jan 27 23:01:25 <SimonVT> Just use a thread
Jan 27 23:01:33 <saltmiser> onPause/onStop?
Jan 27 23:02:00 <SimonVT> AsyncTasks are executed serially by default.. You'd be blocking all other asynctasks from executing
Jan 27 23:02:00 <lgfreitas> saltmiser: I haven't yet, but I guess that would be there. Actually this will go inside an widget, Im using an activity for testing purposes.
Jan 27 23:02:26 <lgfreitas> SimonVT: previous experiences using a thread blocks everything else and I get an ANR.
Jan 27 23:02:38 <lgfreitas> I was using the thread in a service, though, inside onCreate()
Jan 27 23:02:44 <SimonVT> Then you're doing it wrong
Jan 27 23:02:58 <lgfreitas> like new Thread(new Runnable() { run() { do stuff } } );
Jan 27 23:03:40 <SimonVT> And then you probably called run instead of start
Jan 27 23:03:50 <lgfreitas> hm... yes.
Jan 27 23:03:58 <lgfreitas> run blocks as it seems.
Jan 27 23:04:33 <lgfreitas> Ok, Ill try again with start.
Jan 27 23:04:42 <SimonVT> Thread#run just calls Runnable#run.. No new thread is started
Jan 27 23:05:12 <lgfreitas> Really? why is it useful?
Jan 27 23:05:22 <saltmiser> you use a Runnable in a Thread constructor
Jan 27 23:05:33 <saltmiser> plus soetimes you'll have a queue of Runnables that you can dish out to multiple worker threads, etc.
Jan 27 23:05:44 <saltmiser> creating a Thread is expensive for the OS they say
Jan 27 23:06:06 <saltmiser> so some industrial-strength code might re-use the Thread sit already has, and they would simply call run() after popping the Runnable off some shared queue, or whatever
Jan 27 23:06:11 <zinx> saltmiser: who says that? o_O
Jan 27 23:06:21 <saltmiser> pff our ancient CS professors
Jan 27 23:06:30 <SimonVT> Also, since JB or something you won't be able to read other apps logcat
Jan 27 23:06:31 <zinx> they're windows users.
Jan 27 23:06:39 <saltmiser> they are
Jan 27 23:06:42 <lgfreitas> saltmiser: well, its not expensive, but I get the idea, makes sense.
Jan 27 23:06:54 <saltmiser> I don't believe it's expensive anymore, personally
Jan 27 23:07:01 <saltmiser> compared to the other stuff we have the machines doing
Jan 27 23:07:20 <saltmiser> lgfreitas, it seemed like you were asking why bother have both Thread and Runnable
Jan 27 23:07:21 <zinx> the overhead of creating the thread object is probably more than the overhead of creating the thread :/
Jan 27 23:07:22 <lgfreitas> threads was the solution to then-slow fork(), i hope.
Jan 27 23:07:48 <zinx> lgfreitas: fork() is still expensive on windows as far as i know
Jan 27 23:07:52 <lgfreitas> saltmiser: no, I asked why have Thread.run() that calls Runnable.run()
Jan 27 23:08:05 <lgfreitas> zinx: its always expensive comapared to a new thread.
Jan 27 23:08:06 <zinx> lgfreitas: most sane OSs do fancy COW stuff so it's really cheap
Jan 27 23:08:20 <saltmiser> you should call Thread.start() after implementing your code in Thread.run() or Runnable.run()
Jan 27 23:08:29 <saltmiser> zinx, what is COW?
Jan 27 23:08:31 <lgfreitas> I see
Jan 27 23:08:36 <zinx> saltmiser: copy-on-write
Jan 27 23:09:17 <lgfreitas> SimonVT: what do you mean that I will not be able to read other apps logcat? I'm able to run the logcat proc and read what it outputs
Jan 27 23:09:54 <saltmiser> maybe an app is bound to reading messages only from it's package?
Jan 27 23:10:12 <SimonVT> On a production device, you'll only get logcat messages from your apps process
Jan 27 23:10:40 <saltmiser> is there a way to get all messages from the system?
Jan 27 23:11:07 <SimonVT> Probably with root
Jan 27 23:11:21 <lgfreitas> SimonVT: "production device" == device that is not on debug mode?
Jan 27 23:11:28 <saltmiser> right.
Jan 27 23:11:36 <lgfreitas> I'll try that.
Jan 27 23:12:01 <saltmiser> production device would be an unrooted device with debug disabled, I'd say
Jan 27 23:12:27 <SimonVT> An unmodified device
Jan 27 23:12:51 <SimonVT> Stock rom, no root, etc
Jan 27 23:13:56 <lgfreitas> just as mine.
Jan 27 23:14:12 <lgfreitas> i have debug enabled, though.
Jan 27 23:16:53 <tona> definetely i dont have sqlite how can i download and install it in cyangenmod
Jan 27 23:17:01 <SimonVT> If you mean USB debugging, no, that doesn't make a difference.. On jb you'll still only get logcat messages from your process
Jan 27 23:17:26 <AlCapwn> That change makes me a sad panda
Jan 27 23:17:47 <saltmiser> tona, sorry I thought you meant cygwin
Jan 27 23:17:54 <AlCapwn> Catlog was awesome for bug reports
Jan 27 23:18:09 <saltmiser> tona, not cyangenmod
Jan 27 23:20:08 <tona> then how can i install sqlite
Jan 27 23:21:37 <saltmiser> tona, you can not install sqlite3 on android
Jan 27 23:21:40 <saltmiser> easily
Jan 27 23:21:45 <saltmiser> you have to use it from Java
Jan 27 23:22:20 <saltmiser> if your device is rooted, you can access the sqlite3 database your <app> uses from /data/data/<app>/databases or something like that
Jan 27 23:22:52 <tona> what do you mena use it from java
Jan 27 23:25:01 <tona> ok how can i see my information before saved
Jan 27 23:25:02 <kakazza> tona: I sent you a link, did you read it?
Jan 27 23:25:10 <tona> no
Jan 27 23:25:16 <tona> which link
Jan 27 23:25:19 <kakazza> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html
Jan 27 23:25:44 <tona> ok
Jan 27 23:25:59 <tona> ok how can i see my information before saved
Jan 27 23:27:07 <kakazza> The way you see all other information. Print it to logcat if you must.
Jan 27 23:27:21 <kakazza> You write the code, you write the insertion queries.
Jan 27 23:32:01 <brian_petersen> I am having some trouble starting the SDK manager. It will start when I go into the tools folder and run android.bat, but when  I try the exe, it does not work. Any ideas?
Jan 27 23:32:24 <saltmiser> are your PATH variables set up correctly?
Jan 27 23:34:05 <Anoia> how doesn;t it work?
Jan 27 23:34:46 <brian_petersen> I have JAVA_HOME setup and %JAVA_HOME%\bin at the beginning of my paths.
Jan 27 23:35:17 <brian_petersen> JAVA_HOME = D:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_11
Jan 27 23:35:40 <valgrind> Does it support 1.7 already?
Jan 27 23:36:01 <brian_petersen> what, android?
Jan 27 23:36:15 <valgrind> well eclipse and the sdk
Jan 27 23:36:29 <valgrind> on linux i had problems with the 1.7, so im still working on 1.6
Jan 27 23:36:43 <brian_petersen> eclipse runs with it just fine. On my other windows machine I am using 1.7 just fine.
Jan 27 23:38:12 <nelaod> Hi
Jan 27 23:38:53 <nelaod> is there any way to get the top, 1000 free apps on the market? I wrote a crude script to scrape the top pages
Jan 27 23:38:57 <nelaod> but after 500 or so
Jan 27 23:39:00 <nelaod> i get 503'd
Jan 27 23:40:01 <Anoia> nelaod: probably not, isn;t that agianst the terms of use?
Jan 27 23:40:24 <nelaod> not sure
Jan 27 23:40:53 <Anoia> surely you checked this before potentially breaching the sites rules
Jan 27 23:42:00 <lgfreitas> SimonVT: sigh, youre right.
Jan 27 23:42:33 <SpeedEvil> nelaod: slowing down the requests may work
Jan 27 23:42:51 <SpeedEvil> but it's possible that you simply can't get them
Jan 27 23:42:59 <nelaod> I tried that, but i think there might be an actual limit
Jan 27 23:43:01 <nelaod> after 500
Jan 27 23:43:12 <SpeedEvil> possibly
Jan 27 23:43:47 <nelaod> anyone have experience with the unofficial market api? I'll see if that can do anything
Jan 27 23:44:29 <Anoia> erm...
Jan 27 23:44:31 <Anoia> "Select, Copy and Paste. Select, copy and paste functions may be available for some text-based Products, and you must use these features within the prescribed limits and only for personal non-commercial purposes. "
Jan 27 23:44:56 <Anoia> you can;t copy and paste from an app purchased on the market for business use?
Jan 27 23:46:06 <MartialLaw> Am I the only one who wants to know how to use FragmentTabHost in a nested fragment?
Jan 27 23:46:25 <Anoia> MartialLaw: possibly
Jan 27 23:46:27 <MartialLaw> the android docs, as usual, provide horrible documentation on this. can anyone help?
Jan 27 23:54:26 <Joozey> What part are you stuck with?
Jan 27 23:55:06 <Joozey> you want a fragment in a fragment, essentially?
Jan 28 00:12:06 <kakazza> What a nice quit message he had.
Jan 28 00:18:54 <AlCapwn> Where is the android keyboard source code on github?
Jan 28 00:19:12 <AlCapwn> The Latin ime package isn't there any more
Jan 28 00:48:54 <|KNERD|> yep
Jan 28 00:51:42 <nesoi> hello... is there a way to add an HTML editor to the ADT version of Eclipse without breaking it? I tried adding one with "install new software" and eclipse slowed down to an unusable crawl
Jan 28 00:51:50 <KNERD> I think that "creating first app" on the android site has a bug in it. It refers to a EXTRA_MESSAGE variable, but  I am seeing "cannot be resolved to a variable" error. It appears in MainActivity.java and the Display<essageActivity.java files
Jan 28 00:53:50 <KNERD> it's in intent.putExtra(EXTRA_MESSAGE, message);
Jan 28 00:56:26 <agy2154> I was wondering if it would be good if I can set multiple content views in one class? or is it better if content views are set through diffrent classes?
Jan 28 01:11:05 <f2prateek> KNERD: did you read the full article? it tells you how you should define it
Jan 28 01:11:26 <KNERD> thanks, I was thinking maybe I missed something
Jan 28 01:23:25 <KNERD> agy2154: and what os the definition of a class?
Jan 28 01:23:58 <agy2154> ok?
Jan 28 01:24:02 <agy2154> *os?
Jan 28 01:24:11 <KNERD> sorry...IS
Jan 28 01:24:24 <agy2154> I don't understand what your trying to ask.
Jan 28 01:24:37 <KNERD> agy2154: and what is the definition of a class?
Jan 28 01:25:08 <agy2154> I'm talking about a class which carries the Java code.
Jan 28 01:25:24 <agy2154> In my case it's Splash.Java
Jan 28 01:26:22 <KNERD> yes, and what is that definition?
Jan 28 01:26:41 <KNERD> A: A class is a.......
Jan 28 01:26:48 <agy2154> The connotation?
Jan 28 01:28:14 <KNERD> http://en.wikpedia.org/wiki/Class_(programming)
Jan 28 01:28:23 <agy2154> Its like an outline
Jan 28 01:28:25 <agy2154> Ik
Jan 28 01:28:33 <agy2154> of everything that you can like call
Jan 28 01:28:37 <agy2154> all the meathods inside
Jan 28 01:28:50 <agy2154> KNERD:  by the way that link is bad
Jan 28 01:29:29 <agy2154> KNERD: My bad the last perentesis wasn't included
Jan 28 01:30:19 <agy2154> Ohh i see
Jan 28 01:30:50 <KNERD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_(programming)
Jan 28 01:30:55 <KNERD> oops..a typo
Jan 28 01:31:08 <KNERD> so in other words...it don't matter
Jan 28 01:31:28 <agy2154> I see you mean like you can set multiple views but i was wondering how android would react to that. like if I click a button and that causes it to open another layout it wouldn't work if the user clicks the back button right?
Jan 28 01:32:06 <nesoi> so is there a basic skeleton app available which has commonly used features built into it already?
Jan 28 01:32:43 <KNERD> agy2154: as long as the fuctions are class memebers...it don't matter
Jan 28 01:33:43 <agy2154> KNERD: Thank's a dozen. You really cleared things for me. I was really confused with the concept.
Jan 28 01:37:38 <KNERD> nesoi: define "commonly used features"
Jan 28 01:43:07 <nesoi> KNERD : accessing and searching contacts, putting messages in the status bar, running in the background, etc.
Jan 28 01:44:13 <KNERD> yeah..that is called and Anroid phone
Jan 28 01:45:02 <nesoi> source code
Jan 28 01:45:08 <nesoi> for apps
Jan 28 01:45:11 <nesoi> is what I'm asking about
Jan 28 01:46:34 <KNERD> the phone's OS does that..it;s called Android
Jan 28 01:52:19 <kakazza> nesoi: Take a look at the API samples
Jan 28 01:52:40 <kakazza> These are basically apps that use the Android API.
Jan 28 01:56:24 <tona> i can read my database in sqllite
Jan 28 01:56:56 <tona> how can i copy that information to my windows OS
Jan 28 01:57:25 <kakazza> For developing or as a functionality provided by the app?
Jan 28 01:58:22 <kakazza> If you just want to look what's inside the database, either print all tables to logcat from within your app or copy the database file to your computer.
Jan 28 01:59:35 <tona> i want to copy my information to my pc
Jan 28 02:00:19 <jug6ernaut> anyone have experience with bluetooth pan on android?
Jan 28 02:00:41 <kakazza> tona: Then go for the latter option.
Jan 28 02:02:04 <cooldman224> so i must be forgetting something trivial. i overwrote the existing launcher icon and it still isn't being refreshed. I am using android bootstrap fyi
Jan 28 02:04:18 <kakazza> Not being refreshed where?
Jan 28 02:05:30 <Anoia> meh, when doing maproulette cleanup, upload often
Jan 28 02:05:48 <Anoia> fixing conflicts on a 1500 node way is not good :|
Jan 28 02:06:08 <cooldman224> refreshed in the app drawer or in action bar
Jan 28 02:06:43 <johny-b-goode> hello guys. when sending my widget an AppWidgetManager.ACTION_APPWIDGET_UPDATE, my widget changes into the power widget for a while. fully functional. and then in 5-6 seconds it refresh as my widget along with the updates. has anyone seen this before.
Jan 28 02:14:02 <RustyShackleford> can I reuse the same xml layout file for multiple Activities?
Jan 28 02:14:18 <johny-b-goode> you should be able to.
Jan 28 02:14:53 <RustyShackleford> so I'm confused. Wouldn't there be some sort of conflict when referring by R.id?
Jan 28 02:15:52 <RustyShackleford> say my layout has a TextView with android:id="@+id/textView"
Jan 28 02:16:11 <RustyShackleford> if I reuse it, wouldn't there be conflicts with R.id.textView?
Jan 28 02:16:21 <johny-b-goode> my understanding is as follows: the xml layout defines your view. your activity inflates that view and then assigns event handlers or local references to use for querying properties on the controls.
Jan 28 02:17:19 <johny-b-goode> when you use findViewById(R.id.textView), it should query the current view.
Jan 28 02:17:43 <johny-b-goode> which would be depend on setContentView(R.layout.view) in your activity.
Jan 28 02:31:42 <RustyShackleford> I want to set up a swipeable tabs navigation
Jan 28 02:32:13 <RustyShackleford> can I do this all in xml?
Jan 28 02:32:34 <agy2154> yeah
Jan 28 02:33:31 <johny-b-goode> like the playstore etc?
Jan 28 02:48:04 <g00s> cantido: i think we discussed this the other day http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/27/us-apple-asia-idUSBRE90Q0IV20130127
Jan 28 02:48:48 <tripknotix> hey all
Jan 28 02:48:56 <tripknotix> so my game is being pirated in great amounts
Jan 28 02:49:25 <tripknotix> its selling decently on amazon, but the google play APK is simply being distributed freely and people even talk about it inside of my game's chat lol
Jan 28 02:49:40 <tripknotix> im looking to start charging IAP for features, just to avoid the pirating issue
Jan 28 02:49:52 <nesoi> tripknotix : that sucks
Jan 28 02:50:16 <tripknotix> yeah i know, but what sort of solutions are there for fighting off pirating
Jan 28 02:50:35 <tripknotix> and additionally, if a user installs the apk for th egame, can they simply update it on the google play store?
Jan 28 02:50:37 <tripknotix> after that
Jan 28 02:51:14 <nesoi> I'm trying to compile a sample app and eclipse is telling me that android cannot be resolved on "import android.graphics.Bitmap". what do I need to change?
Jan 28 02:51:58 <nesoi> tripknotix : I don't know the answer to that. maybe come out with other levels and other versions, ala angry birds, if applicable?
Jan 28 02:52:08 <nesoi> or sell logo gear!
Jan 28 02:52:43 <nesoi> so what about that error?
Jan 28 02:54:38 <tripknotix> im not sure how angry birds does it, do you mean, like, sell newer levels as a different game?
Jan 28 02:54:52 <nesoi> where is android.graphics.Bitmap and why can't eclipse find it?
Jan 28 02:54:59 <nesoi> they sell different versions of the same game basically
Jan 28 02:55:02 <nesoi> many many of them
Jan 28 02:55:07 <tripknotix> o i c
Jan 28 02:55:09 <nesoi> and they have ad supported versions
Jan 28 02:55:10 <nesoi> for free
Jan 28 02:55:16 <tripknotix> but the difference, is just different levels?
Jan 28 02:55:16 <nesoi> which probably reduces people's need to pirate
Jan 28 02:55:20 <nesoi> different levels
Jan 28 02:55:29 <tripknotix> yeah i thought abotu ads, but the game would only make $5-20 a day potentially
Jan 28 02:55:32 <nesoi> not harder, just different
Jan 28 02:55:39 <tripknotix> i will look into it
Jan 28 02:55:40 <nesoi> yes, but having ads means that people don't have to pirate to try it
Jan 28 02:55:50 <nesoi> and then they would maybe buy it to get rid of the ads rather than pirating
Jan 28 02:55:55 <nesoi> I think it might make a difference
Jan 28 02:56:06 <tripknotix> i guess i would need to set a marker to show me how many times players load into a server, and have them watch an advertisement
Jan 28 02:56:08 <nesoi> you'd have to experiment
Jan 28 02:56:20 <nesoi> look at how angry birds does ads
Jan 28 02:56:25 <nesoi> they have them on the screen during play too
Jan 28 02:56:27 <tripknotix> yeah i get around 6,000 daily unique users
Jan 28 02:56:28 <nesoi> rotating
Jan 28 02:56:38 <nesoi> so what about my unresolved library?
Jan 28 02:56:39 <tripknotix> i think it would need to be IAP , because people just pirate the premium apk
Jan 28 02:56:42 <nesoi> where do I find it?
Jan 28 02:57:01 <nesoi> I think people are less likely to pirate if they can get an ad supported version without going to the trouble
Jan 28 02:57:04 <nesoi> but maybe not
Jan 28 02:57:32 <nesoi> so importa android.graphics.Bitmap
Jan 28 02:57:35 <nesoi> why is that not found?
Jan 28 02:57:41 <nesoi> so import android.graphics.Bitmap
Jan 28 02:58:07 <mdkess> I'm trying to get a tricky layout to work, can anyone help me out? Posted to Stackoverflow, no luck so far it seems: http://stackoverflow.com/q/14553569/31455
Jan 28 02:58:27 <mdkess> I'm close!
Jan 28 02:58:27 <pragma-> relativelayout, done.
Jan 28 02:58:45 <mdkess> So, right. But now I'm having trouble getting things to line up without having to specify dp for everything.
Jan 28 02:59:08 <mdkess> Like, I want the top TextView to the right of the Image (easy) and centered in its box vertically (hard)
Jan 28 02:59:24 <nesoi> c'mon someone can tell me how to fix this really obvious error! what can I do to make import android.graphics.Bitmap resolve?
Jan 28 02:59:53 <nesoi> it says "import android cannot be resolved"
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