**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 25 02:59:57 2013 Feb 25 03:00:03 are we talking desktop or mobile browsers :| Feb 25 03:00:08 android Feb 25 03:00:13 oh, sorry, nm Feb 25 03:00:22 on PC, it's Chrome Feb 25 03:00:25 Always Feb 25 03:00:32 Firefox Feb 25 03:00:36 :) Feb 25 03:00:37 Been using it with the Hatsune Miku skin since the very first time I started using it Feb 25 03:00:48 diki, i recently went back to ff on pc, FF is faster in loading bookmarks and has a sidebar Feb 25 03:01:12 diki, so for android it's opera regular? Feb 25 03:01:14 And reading mode ... I love reading mode Feb 25 03:01:24 reading mode? Feb 25 03:01:51 Yah... switches to text only, drops all ads,a dn flash and such so you can read distractipon free Feb 25 03:03:13 (but keeps links of course so you can still navigate) Feb 25 03:04:06 and Private browsing mode ... Feb 25 03:04:53 And if you want something special, you modify and build your own version - open source Feb 25 03:05:47 I enabled Google's GPS location, it feels so violating Feb 25 03:06:26 guys... why can't I !#)!@(* ls /data ? this is so annoying Feb 25 03:06:29 What is everyone's Top 5 Apps? Feb 25 03:06:51 got root? :p Feb 25 03:06:56 capella why don't I? Feb 25 03:07:07 I paid the full price for this !@*@ thing for development Feb 25 03:07:10 greader, osmand, goggles, myfitnesspal and all the coupon apps Feb 25 03:07:15 oh dear Feb 25 03:07:38 top 5 includes SuperSU, Titanium Backup, Terminal Emulator Feb 25 03:08:01 ES File Explorer Feb 25 03:08:08 ESphynx:you wanna create a soft link? Feb 25 03:08:09 Woot. My program works! <3 Feb 25 03:08:31 Soft links fail when the filysystem is not remounted as read/write Feb 25 03:08:51 diki: I just want to check where that file gets installed from my APK Feb 25 03:09:04 I want a proper shell :| Feb 25 03:09:09 ESphynx hasnt answered if he has rooted his phone, or have you? Feb 25 03:09:09 ESphynx:I think in /data/data/com.XXXXX Feb 25 03:09:12 I don't want to install untrusted somftware in there Feb 25 03:09:26 diki: Yes , but my dlopen fails... so I wanna see what's up! Feb 25 03:09:26 No root == No /data Feb 25 03:09:28 all software goes there Feb 25 03:09:28 i can't even list these files Feb 25 03:09:30 why no root Feb 25 03:09:36 why don't I have root? it's my !@)*( device Feb 25 03:09:41 ESphynx:You need root for that. Can't you find a guide? Feb 25 03:09:43 Android comes w/no root Feb 25 03:09:54 diki: I don't want to have to install some random exploit for script kiddie Feb 25 03:09:56 ESphynx:whats with the censoring??? Feb 25 03:10:01 diki: i want a proper developer solution from Google Feb 25 03:10:16 this is so insulting Feb 25 03:10:28 Get root, its easy, and required for developers, learn the ropes Feb 25 03:10:29 you need to root your phone manually Feb 25 03:10:40 so diki are you the only one voting for opera Feb 25 03:10:48 Firefox :D Feb 25 03:11:04 capella: if it's required for developers, why can't I get a proper search results from Google bringing me to a Android Developers page? Feb 25 03:11:16 google xda-developers Feb 25 03:11:18 capella, Firefox has poor reviews on play Feb 25 03:11:31 blognewb:I never knew there was a vote Feb 25 03:11:34 ESphynx: Normally you will. Feb 25 03:11:49 could you guys please point me to a trusted rooting instructions? I'm on Windows bw Feb 25 03:11:50 btw* Feb 25 03:11:53 meh - not all reviews are created equal Feb 25 03:12:00 ODIN Feb 25 03:12:05 ESphynx:every phone has a different method Feb 25 03:12:08 ESphynx: If you google for "android String" you'll get the Android developers page for the String object. Feb 25 03:12:08 diki: Nexus 10 Feb 25 03:12:31 google xda-developers nexus 10 Feb 25 03:13:09 http://nexus10root.com/category/nexus-10-root/ Feb 25 03:13:10 capella, well.. 220,599 votes, 4 out 5 stars, must amount to something Feb 25 03:13:23 also I don't have wi-fi Feb 25 03:13:30 so i can't update the phone or what not Feb 25 03:13:35 but beware Feb 25 03:13:41 it apparently resets everything Feb 25 03:13:42 Got USB and a laptop? Feb 25 03:13:56 like factory reset, full data wipe. Feb 25 03:14:03 Firefox Beta has better reviews capella Feb 25 03:14:33 I use Firefox Beta; been pretty happy with it. Feb 25 03:14:38 Yah... we put out new updates every 6 weeks and new reviews start fresh I thing in google play Feb 25 03:15:24 ESphynx:beware on the full data wipe Feb 25 03:15:35 diki: Yeah WTF man ! Feb 25 03:15:36 and also note, that using odin increases the flash counters. Feb 25 03:15:36 seriously Feb 25 03:15:47 why can't google give a solution for developers to root hteir phone? Feb 25 03:15:48 Triangle Away fixes that Feb 25 03:15:58 ESphynx: It's phone-specific. Feb 25 03:16:00 i'm just going to test this in the emulator. Feb 25 03:16:01 capella:I wouldn't trust an app that says it could brick your phone Feb 25 03:16:07 Improv: Google makes the Nexus 10 Feb 25 03:16:18 root is absolutely not in any way required for app development Feb 25 03:16:28 Leeds: when you can't even ls the content of where your app goes? Feb 25 03:16:29 All good pages say theres that possibility if you dont know what you';re doing Feb 25 03:16:30 Leeds:It is actually Feb 25 03:16:34 Leeds: it's certainly useful! Feb 25 03:16:36 it's insulting Feb 25 03:16:42 ESphynx: Lol Feb 25 03:16:42 an unlocked/unlockable bootloader is required for OS development, and that's what a Nexus gives you Feb 25 03:16:43 Even BusyBox says that Feb 25 03:16:46 diki: it really isn't Feb 25 03:16:57 Was trying to port the gnu toolchains, but without root it wont work Feb 25 03:17:02 Leeds: it might not be *required*, but it's certainly often *useful* Feb 25 03:17:18 diki: and that's typical Android app development, is it? Feb 25 03:17:37 ESphynx: do you know of the run-as command? Feb 25 03:17:39 Well...no Feb 25 03:18:08 in fact, there's an argument which says you're better developing in a non-root environment, since that's what most of your users will have Feb 25 03:18:14 heh - get 'em Leeds :D Feb 25 03:18:25 Cool, but we arent most users. Feb 25 03:18:27 Leeds : in this case, I just wanna inspect what's going on... my dlopen is failing, I want to know where the .so's got intalled Feb 25 03:18:52 Leeds: what's the run-as command? Feb 25 03:19:01 ESphynx: it's something you should be googling for Feb 25 03:19:02 ESphynx:you cant read / man Feb 25 03:19:08 ouch Feb 25 03:19:17 especially /data on the root filesystem Feb 25 03:19:29 OsmAnd for offline GPS mapping Feb 25 03:19:34 you need to root the phone, then install busybox, then remount as rw capable Feb 25 03:19:56 diki: except you don't need to do any of that to develop dalvik apps Feb 25 03:20:06 you guys ever use Obi or CSIPSimple? Feb 25 03:20:21 diki: yeah I'm just gonna stick to my virtual device. Feb 25 03:20:43 Leeds:Well, you need root to port GCC,make,gnu autotools Feb 25 03:21:04 diki: and none of that fucking matters to the vast majority of app developers, who aren't trying to port a fucking toolchain to a phone Feb 25 03:21:06 meh Feb 25 03:21:07 cause either will look for folders like /usr/bin which dont exist on android Feb 25 03:21:24 Woah, stop beeing butthurt Feb 25 03:22:23 stop confusing a simple issue with your personal complicated requirements Feb 25 03:22:41 it is absolutely 100% not necessary to be root in order to develop normal Android apps Feb 25 03:22:53 Leeds who said anything about developing normal apps Feb 25 03:23:07 ESphynx: the bell curve Feb 25 03:23:09 Android is an open system... why can't we have root Feb 25 03:23:16 as developers? Feb 25 03:23:26 ESphynx: If you're trying to do something weird, don't be upset if you have to do the legwork. Feb 25 03:23:29 Leeds:I need root to develop non-normal applications. Feb 25 03:23:39 I almost got tricked into installing this silly software going on that xda-thing because they have this big deceptive download buttons there Feb 25 03:23:51 * capella (porting the toolchain? that's new... I mean creative :P ) Feb 25 03:24:06 capella:gcc,make and perl have been ported already Feb 25 03:24:11 Improv legwork i have no trouble with. having to hack my own tablet to have root no. Feb 25 03:24:13 ESphynx: If all it takes to trick you is a big button, you may want to fix that before coding too much lest you waste time debugging comments. Feb 25 03:24:31 Improv: comments do confuse me. I usually strip them off :P Feb 25 03:24:49 ESphynx Just now hearing of XDA-developers? Feb 25 03:24:59 capella yes what is XDA-developers anyways? Feb 25 03:25:01 could Build.SERIAL be spoofed? Feb 25 03:25:04 omi Feb 25 03:25:06 this is #android-dev, not #android-root, if you want to argue over evil Google blocking your phone, go there Feb 25 03:25:06 if you want to ask about app development and debug tools, go here Feb 25 03:25:06 and since you now know about the run-as command, you know you can "run-as YOURPACKAGE sh" to get a shell which runs as your package's uid, which means you can see your package's private directories Feb 25 03:25:39 Leeds oh thanks Leeds, that might be useful :P Feb 25 03:26:21 \o/ Touchdown Feb 25 03:26:34 package is not debuggable :P Feb 25 03:28:51 diki: I meant why develop on the device vs your laptop? Feb 25 03:30:37 capella: we're getting to the point where the *hardware* is perfectly capable of running a full development stack - unfortunately, the mobile interface isn't really capable Feb 25 03:31:11 capella:I don't have a laptop Feb 25 03:31:16 well yah ... I cant type a lot of code on my tiny touch keyboard I agree Feb 25 03:31:18 is this thing about com.bla.pack.age still true that 3 words packages won't debug properly? Feb 25 03:31:30 But now, thanks to the nice people who provide us with root Feb 25 03:31:39 I now have a fully working monitor mode on my phone. Feb 25 03:32:27 no laptop? and you srsly develop on the device? wow! Feb 25 03:32:34 I have done it Feb 25 03:32:44 I am on PC right now, but I've coded a few Android apps using AIDE. Feb 25 03:33:10 capella: martyrs gotta mart Feb 25 03:33:35 I understand what Leeds said ... my GS3 is a fantastic machine ... but I gotta touch type lots and fast Feb 25 03:33:56 (and see what Im doing :P ) Feb 25 03:34:16 I *really* want the 'webtop' thing to come back, done right Feb 25 03:34:17 yah - heh - martyrs to me Feb 25 03:34:35 Leeds:I can respond to that as well Feb 25 03:34:57 butthurt(s) gonna hurt Feb 25 03:35:07 Anyway, I am off to bed. Feb 25 03:35:09 when I'm carrying a multi-core, multi-GHz, multi-GB RAM, etc. device around, I want to be able to dock it and use it as a computer Feb 25 03:36:08 keyboard, mouse, big screen Feb 25 03:37:50 seriously, why is it saying the package is not debuggable? I got android:debuggable="true" in my manifest Feb 25 03:38:51 Hey guys, I am working through some things on the Android platform. Always done notifications using a service, but now I am reading about GCM. I am wondering what the general thoughts are on it Feb 25 03:39:23 ESphynx: are you signing it with your release key, or a debug key? Feb 25 03:40:28 How can I make my App not make my phone run hot? Feb 25 03:40:48 hosler: don't do while (1) { } Feb 25 03:40:58 have it turn it off? Feb 25 03:41:07 dont use the radio unless you have to Feb 25 03:41:13 delay processing and make your routines efficient Feb 25 03:42:22 don't wakelock Feb 25 03:42:43 Leeds: just my regular key Feb 25 03:42:54 Has anyone used GCM? I am wondering what the general thoughts on it are? Feb 25 03:43:02 so, not a debug key then? Feb 25 03:43:04 anything special I need to make it a debug key? Feb 25 03:43:06 apparently it is the successor to C2DM Feb 25 03:43:09 G2DM rather Feb 25 03:43:43 the debug key is generated by the SDK tools/Eclipse - and it seems that's now used to determine if it's a debug build, not the android:debuggable attribute Feb 25 03:44:10 Leeds: I don't use eclipse Feb 25 03:44:14 I know with ant - which is what I use, not Eclipse - you can "ant debug" or "ant release" to choose what sort of built Feb 25 03:44:17 build... Feb 25 03:44:17 looking @ http://developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html Feb 25 03:44:20 i dont' use ant either Feb 25 03:44:26 what do you use? Feb 25 03:44:31 the raw SDK Feb 25 03:44:43 erm... what does that mean? Feb 25 03:44:50 The Android SDK Feb 25 03:45:08 Those Surface commercials with all the dancing and hijinks is really annoying to me. Feb 25 03:45:21 so, you avoid using any tools which might help you? wtf? Feb 25 03:45:35 pragma- how do you think us Microsoft programmers feel? Feb 25 03:45:38 Leeds: I avoid using any tools I don't need Feb 25 03:45:52 do you write code with a hex editor? Feb 25 03:45:56 Microsoft cant make a good commerical that actually shows what the device does, and they just keep getting crushed by Apple and Google Feb 25 03:45:57 meh... more martyr crap Feb 25 03:45:58 heh Feb 25 03:46:01 predetermined names/passwords: , I see. Feb 25 03:46:20 Leeds: no I enter it with an on/off switch Feb 25 03:46:24 * capella hits his head against the wall cause it feels good when I stop Feb 25 03:46:43 pragma-, its worse than the phones, but they have no freaking clue how to market their products. No wonder Google and Apple are dominating them in the consumer space Feb 25 03:46:49 Leeds: I have my own SDK so I have no use for these Java tools Feb 25 03:46:53 xximjasonxx: they were playing a commercial here a while back that i've seen about three times and i still can't figure out what they are doing in the ad :S Feb 25 03:47:14 xximjasonxx: for what it's worth, I haven't heard of any real issues with GCM - but then I haven't heard too many people actually using it either... I think it takes a little work to get your head around it, but once that's done, you'll be fine Feb 25 03:47:35 AFAIK there are plenty of apps using it at large scale, millions of messages or more Feb 25 03:47:43 bankai_, first I love the name. Go Bleach. second, I was at a client site the other day, the CEO say my Surface and asked me about it. When he found out you get Office for free he immediately wanted one Feb 25 03:48:38 I cannot, for the life of me, why Microsoft hasnt just made a commerical showing a business person playing angry birds and then going right into Word Feb 25 03:48:42 xximjasonxx: they seem more interested in showing behind-the-scenes of how they made the dancing videos instead of showing how useful the device might be Feb 25 03:49:18 pragma-, I personally wonder if there is a belief held by the Microsoft executive board (Ballmer included) that this is still the 90s. That people will buy their stuff caues they are Microsoft Feb 25 03:49:28 *cause Feb 25 03:50:17 I use a Windows Phone and I have a Surface. They are solid devices and the platform is nice. I cant understand why they dont talk about the features instead of showing kids dancing Feb 25 03:50:41 I mean I have had people ask if I am going to start break dancing when they see me with my Surface Feb 25 03:50:50 I have a Windows phone, given to me by HTC, and I've failed consistently to find a single reason to turn it on Feb 25 03:50:52 do you break dance ? Feb 25 03:51:03 anyway, this isn't #mobile-platform-debate Feb 25 03:51:33 bankai_, I dance and people's hearts break with mortification. Does that count? Feb 25 03:51:37 Leeds: I feel the same way about my Nexus 7. I find using my SGS3 to be more than sufficient. Feb 25 03:51:55 GS3++ Feb 25 03:52:11 returning to the matter at hand, it doesnt sound like GCM is bad, but it seems like many people arent using it Feb 25 03:52:14 pragma-: that's different - they're not direct substitutions Feb 25 03:52:22 I should at least mention it in this presentaton I am giving on Push Notifications Feb 25 03:52:42 bankai_, actually reading the Bleach Manga right now. Good stuff. Wish the series had kept going Feb 25 03:52:54 ;) Feb 25 03:53:33 I might have slightly, and only slightly, more motiviation to turn on my Nexus 7 if more of the games sorted the game data in the cloud. It's horrible being in a high stage on one device and having to replay those levels on another device. Feb 25 03:53:47 s/sorted/stored/ Feb 25 03:53:59 pragma- I use my Nexus 7 on the El here in Chicago, trains get packed and full size tablet would be unweildy Feb 25 03:54:38 I don't find my Galaxy S3 to be too small for any purpose Feb 25 03:55:39 at home, I mainly use my N7 - out and about, I'm perfectly happy to use my One Feb 25 03:55:48 all the devices do the same things these days, it doesnt really matter the platform for most things. I just like the feel of a 7" when I am reading as opposed to doing anything else Feb 25 03:56:02 argh... OneX, which is the same size as the S3... I do mostly work at home, so I am mostly at home. Feb 25 03:56:31 Its also nice when you are traveling to have two tablets :) double the fun Feb 25 03:57:23 with doublemint gum Feb 25 03:57:37 :) Feb 25 03:57:54 * xximjasonxx has his Carribean Family Cruise which starts at the end of this week on his mind Feb 25 03:57:55 2 android tablets is double the bugs though Feb 25 03:58:04 g00s: Nexus 7 and Surface RT Feb 25 03:58:39 Though my 8x is large enough to be a small tablet Feb 25 03:59:13 oh yeah, i guess MWC is going on Feb 25 03:59:25 mwc? Feb 25 03:59:27 why HP, why :) Feb 25 03:59:48 Yep Feb 25 04:00:03 Over now though I think Feb 25 04:00:16 g00s: presumably to show they're still alive, and to *suggest* that when they actually spend some time and effort on something, it might be worth buying Feb 25 04:00:32 capella: nah, it's this coming week - the stuff which has already come out is pre-show Feb 25 04:00:48 Leeds: it looked under-spec'd compared to the N7, which was long ago :) Feb 25 04:01:15 ok I am off to bed Feb 25 04:01:18 Ah... thought my buddy was returning ... turns out he was flying in Feb 25 04:01:33 g00s: I like the fact that people are praising it for being vanilla - all it means is that HP only decided to build/release it a couple of months ago, and don't have the expertise to skin it... yet. Feb 25 04:01:56 we need more vanilla Feb 25 04:02:07 and usabilkiy pushed into aosp Feb 25 04:02:09 * Leeds prefers chocolate Feb 25 04:02:24 yeah, i liked when the Verge dude interviewed the HTC CEO about how they were going to come back, and their android strategy was more Sense Feb 25 04:03:13 they are doing a costume drama skinned phone. Feb 25 04:03:22 sense and sensibility. Feb 25 04:03:59 is there one wat to set always visible scroll bar in one listboxview Feb 25 04:04:22 g00s: I thought it was "more marketing" Feb 25 04:04:33 wabz: oh, that too Feb 25 04:04:47 sony devices are lookign good these days I reckon Feb 25 04:05:33 I'd like a pixel qi device Feb 25 04:05:47 - the low power one, not the chrome book Feb 25 04:07:52 Leeds: arrg.. I followed everything @ http://developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html , and I still get that not debuggable message ! debug.keystore, password android, keyname androiddebugkey CN=Android Debug, OU=Unknown, O=Android, L=Unknown, ST=Unknown, C=US Feb 25 04:12:48 ESphynx: if you don't want to use the tools that are actually provided or recommended for you, you're going to need to be prepared to do a bunch more work than everyone else, without any help - because most of us don't choose to waste time like that Feb 25 04:17:22 i am trying to apply the dark theme to a preference screen. i followed settings guide, while the activity that has its content swapped with the preferencefragment has the dark theme, the preference screen itself does not inherit the theme. Feb 25 04:17:39 how can i control one listview into another lisview , when i click inner listview outside litview move too , how can i can avoit it Feb 25 04:18:05 lol what Feb 25 04:18:10 you have a listview inside a listview? Feb 25 04:19:03 yes Feb 25 04:19:21 when i move inner listview outside listview move too Feb 25 04:19:44 seems like you're doing something wrong if you're putting a listview in a listview Feb 25 04:21:01 dang ... so listview inna scrollview's probably out of the question too? :p Feb 25 04:21:36 yes Feb 25 04:21:59 me Feb 25 04:22:22 didn't even realise it wasn't tona saying that :p Feb 25 04:22:45 :D Feb 25 04:38:09 I have a pending intent question, it seem the 4 options of FLAG_* don't allow for any kind of sequential use, only cancelling or updating ? How is this supposed to work if I have a pending intent to send and sms ? Am I going about this wrong or simply reading it wrong ? Feb 25 04:56:24 is there a way to wait/block until a Handler's queue is empty? Feb 25 05:10:52 Hi, for my project I will need some custom adjustments in webkit.. so to proof it's possible I spend last weekend with trying to compile webkit from source but without success :( Can anyone help me with it? Currently I am trying to compile this source https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/webkit/ with NDK but It's saying that webcore is already defined and something is trying to redefine it Feb 25 05:27:08 --So post your LogCat equivalent in a pastebin or something. (Never used the NDK to my knowledge, maybe it has a LogCat.) Feb 25 05:27:52 dominikm: do you have two things defining your webcore? Feb 25 05:28:39 ZeroBeholder: I don't think so.. It's original source without any customization Feb 25 05:30:23 ZeroBeholder: It says exactly Android NDK: Trying to define local module 'webcore' in jni/Source/WebKit/Android.mk. Android NDK: But this module was already defined by jni/Source/WebKit/Android.mk. /root/android-ndk-r8d/build/core/build-module.mk:34: *** Android NDK: Aborting. . Stop. Feb 25 05:33:56 dominikm: Good news! Your problem seems to live in one file-- worth taking a look at. Feb 25 05:34:19 Open jni/Source/Webkit/Android.mk and poke around. Feb 25 05:36:50 ZeroBeholder: I have already tried it but I really don't know what is causing it.. anyway I'm suprised that original source doesn't work.. I'm supposing that I do something wrong in base Feb 25 05:38:18 dominikm: Found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6799051/building-webkit-in-android Feb 25 05:41:26 dominikm is gone, it needs built outside of the ADT/SDK/NDK environment. Too bad he left. Feb 25 05:41:47 ZeroBeholder: What does it mean "platform build system"? .. Hmm.. He didn't write how he did it Feb 25 05:42:27 dominikm: He built it using make and a different target system. Feb 25 05:43:26 You can do that with the proper tool chain and the -march 'modifier' Feb 25 05:43:43 The right word is not coming to me. Feb 25 05:45:50 ZeroBeholder: Do you know how to do it this way from scratch? I have no idea.. This all is new for me, I know how to programm but nothing about cross-compiling etc. Feb 25 05:46:06 http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/android/android-sdk-embed-a-webview-with-the-webkit-engine/ Feb 25 05:46:30 This looks like the normal way to do it. You just want to integrate a 'web view' correct? Feb 25 05:47:29 ZeroBeholder: Unfortunately no, I need to customize webkit in source and use my own version of webkit Feb 25 05:48:06 ZeroBeholder: I know about webview, which use webkit builded in android but i can't use it because of mine customization Feb 25 05:50:27 I have cross-compiled a kernel when I needed to for UCLinux in an embedded system. Feb 25 05:51:10 But, the stuff included by default for webkit stuff was built outside of the android environment. Feb 25 05:51:26 And for your custom changes, it seems you may have to do the same. Feb 25 05:52:27 ZeroBeholder: Maybe yes, I'm really not sure Feb 25 05:52:44 ZeroBeholder: Do you think that this source https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/webkit/ is usable for it? Feb 25 05:54:51 Let me fire up Eclipse Feb 25 05:59:36 It'd be so nice if we could programmatically draw bitmaps/drawables for the notification icon at run-time Feb 25 06:03:22 we have setLargeIcon(Bitmap icon) but setSmallIcon(int resourceId) :( Feb 25 06:03:32 I demand a setSmallIcon(Bitmap icon)! Feb 25 06:07:55 Forgot I made my PHP configured Eclipse the one that opens from my KDE start menu... Feb 25 06:17:17 gone again. where did you put the webkit in your project? Feb 25 06:27:43 ZeroBeholder: I'm back.. I have run android emulator in my ubuntu virtual machine and my computer got completelly stucked Feb 25 06:37:38 ZeroBeholder: Are you there? Any progress? Feb 25 06:45:16 Not really, I was trying to duplicate your error. This seems like it should go in the libs folder. Is that where you put it? Feb 25 06:50:19 ZeroBeholder: I do exactly this: 1) I have downloaded NDK form here http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html and I have unpacked it 2) I have clone this repository https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/webkit/ into "jni" directory next to files from 1 step.. then when I run ndk-build it says something about stlport is missing.. so I do 3) I cloned this repository https://android.googlesource.com/platfor Feb 25 06:50:20 m/external/stlport/ into external/stlport next to "jni" directory from step 2 .. and It returns to me error I wrote before about webcore, now Feb 25 06:54:39 I get 0 errors importing the whole library into the 'SDK' which is preconfigured for the 'ADT' bundle. Feb 25 06:55:04 --Clearly not the NDK, but that is what it is. Feb 25 06:55:47 ZeroBeholder: What does it mean? Do you have compiled it successfully? Feb 25 06:56:05 Maybe import into ADT. Close your project and open it in the NDK. Feb 25 06:56:32 My builds are happening fine. Feb 25 06:57:08 ZeroBeholder: That's nice to hear.. I have spent whole weekend by trying it.. Feb 25 06:58:05 ZeroBeholder: May I ask you for some details how to do it? Unfortunatelly I have no idea, how to do what you wrote : Feb 25 06:58:08 What does your dev environment look like? I run linux, Kubuntu specifically. I don't do any C programming if I can help it so the ADT bundle is what I have been using. Feb 25 06:58:33 Any particular reason you are using the NDK? Feb 25 06:59:02 It is not the preferred environment for development. Do you have libraries that you have to use that are not Java? Feb 25 07:00:11 ZeroBeholder: No, I just don't know how to compile it, so I tried this way.. Currently I have few days old ubuntu, downloaded ndk and sdk with eclipse and installed java6 Feb 25 07:00:26 http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html Feb 25 07:00:52 There you can find the ADT bundle-- It is the SDK already configured for Eclipse. Feb 25 07:01:12 ZeroBeholder: Okay, I have already downloaded that Feb 25 07:01:25 Install java 7. How did you even put 6 in? Feb 25 07:02:06 I've messed with my /etc/sources.list file so that may be why I don't even have the option of installing java 6. Feb 25 07:02:39 I see, okay I will reinstall it to 7.. I have just installed in through Package manager and it works Feb 25 07:03:04 Yes it could be Feb 25 07:07:14 Okay, I'm uninstalling java6 now Feb 25 07:08:00 I have to head to bed, but this is what I used to get my lib files. http://www.mail-archive.com/webkit-help@lists.webkit.org/msg01519.html Feb 25 07:09:02 I already have qt setup (kubuntu is heavy in qt tasks) but the qmake stuff is what you should look at. Feb 25 07:09:02 ZeroBeholder: Okay, thank's.. Is tehere anything I need to know to successfully build it? Feb 25 07:15:26 http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingQtOnLinux#BuildingtheQtportonLinux Feb 25 07:16:32 Use the android make file. Feb 25 07:17:00 ZeroBeholder: Where can I found it? Feb 25 07:17:36 ZeroBeholder: I have installed java 7 and cloned repository from page you sent me Feb 25 07:17:48 ZeroBeholder: Now I'm trying to follow that instructions :) Feb 25 07:18:41 I see, I didn't cloned that repository I has about 2GB and its server is really slow Feb 25 07:22:49 Why is it compiled by qt? Feb 25 08:09:31 how can I return format like 01/02/2013 from a DatePicker now if the day/month is < 10 it returns 1/2/2013 Feb 25 08:12:23 SimpleDateFormatter Feb 25 08:12:35 you can then have input masks Feb 25 08:12:38 egg Feb 25 08:12:41 eg Feb 25 08:12:48 mm-dd-yyyy Feb 25 08:13:11 rather than what you have m-d-yyyy Feb 25 08:15:09 SimpleDateFormat dateFormat=new SimpleDateFormat("yyyy/M/d"); Feb 25 08:15:09 System.out.println(dateFormat.format(new Date(System.currentTimeMillis()))); Feb 25 08:15:48 tagrudev: this will print 2013/2/25 Feb 25 08:16:04 tagrudev: reorder the string to show as you like Feb 25 08:16:28 tagrudev: d/M/yyyy Feb 25 08:16:30 generally, you should obey the preferences the user has set for that , though ;) Feb 25 08:16:51 if they have mm.dd.YYYY , then - for the love of all that is beautiful, use that Feb 25 08:18:06 I've lost count of the number of tickets about date format I've closed as "using locale's default date format" Feb 25 08:18:09 "wont fix" Feb 25 08:18:23 ;) Feb 25 08:18:46 alex_PP: please add option for non-locale one? ;P Feb 25 08:19:05 well, there is a pref is Settings - which may be the locale default :P Feb 25 08:19:18 what i meant was, respect wut the user had in Settings Feb 25 08:19:48 and now seriously, what people complain the most about date format? :D Feb 25 08:19:56 p_l, I've had that request Feb 25 08:20:45 yeah, just wondering what groups would annoy about their format :) Feb 25 08:20:46 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15045952/open-my-android-program-after-update Feb 25 08:20:49 open my android program after update Feb 25 08:23:25 huh, a new android book http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781118394151.do Feb 25 08:24:29 is Mr Nudelman here ? Feb 25 08:24:58 irc to Nudelman, over Feb 25 08:36:31 I use http://stackoverflow.com/a/14353076/1327384 to update my android program , but after updating my program it will be closed so I want to reopen it after completing the update process , how can I do that ? Feb 25 08:37:45 I want do display a list of projects in a viewpager (all projects, active projects ...). When I inflate the same layout for each fragment in the viewpager the listfragment gets randomly shown in just one of the pages. It only works using different layouts for each fragment. Is it possible to use only one layout? Feb 25 08:51:15 is there a built in way to prevent a listView from scrolling yet still respond to touch events? Feb 25 08:55:30 im confused >_> how come even after i leave the views rectangle it still responds to touch evetns? arent touch event called only withing the bounds of each view Feb 25 08:55:37 hello all Feb 25 08:56:10 Im trying to send a key button over a USB to the machine using a android app Feb 25 08:56:23 balls2thewall because it might be in focus Feb 25 08:56:27 but can't seems to find a good tutorial how to do that or even close Feb 25 08:56:31 looking for some help Feb 25 08:57:31 Amorgos views in focus respond to events regardless of their bounds? Feb 25 08:57:38 anyone for me ? Feb 25 08:58:49 well, i don't have an exact definition of how its designed. Feb 25 08:59:15 :/ Feb 25 08:59:26 balls2thewall: what is it your wanting ? Feb 25 09:00:39 a listView that doesnt respond to touch events ? or just so user cant scroll it ? Feb 25 09:01:10 well i was trying to create a click/drag option to a listview. i ended up rendering the selected item to a bitmap->imageview and then dragging around the imageview Feb 25 09:01:26 what confused me is that the touch listener attached to the list view still keeps responding even though ive left its bounds Feb 25 09:01:58 responds and scrolls.... would be nice to disable the scroll while dragging the selected view Feb 25 09:02:08 if you ACTION_DOWN over a view, the view will continue getting touch events until the ACTION_UP Feb 25 09:03:25 the scrolling actually is done by an onInterceptTouchEvent rather than onTouch directly. because the ListView gets the events even if they also go to the child. You can use http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html#requestDisallowInterceptTouchEvent(boolean) to stop that when you start handling the movement yourself Feb 25 09:04:39 balls2thewall: have you looked at existing implementation of drag sortable listviews? like https://github.com/bauerca/drag-sort-listview Feb 25 09:05:17 * becom33 anyone for me ? Is it possible for the android device to act like a keyboard trough USB ? Feb 25 09:06:13 I want do display a list of projects in a viewpager (all projects, active projects ...). When I inflate the same layout for each fragment in the viewpager the listfragment gets randomly shown in just one of the pages. It only works using different layouts for each fragment. Is it possible to use only one layout? This is the fragment that gets added to each page in the viewpager: Feb 25 09:06:13 http://pastebin.com/bJ2V2nZk Feb 25 09:12:52 * becom33 anyone for me ? Is it possible for the android device to act like a keyboard trough USB ? Feb 25 09:21:34 hey, I got an ExpandableListView and I want to change the group indicators color depending on some enum in my model, is there some easy way to do this? Feb 25 09:24:38 I was hoping for something like this in the adapter: parent.getChildIndicatorFor(groupPosition).getBackground().setColorFilter(color, Mode.MULTIPLY); Feb 25 09:33:57 Hello! I use in my project more than one open-source libraries. As i understand add NOTICE and LICENSE file. LICENSE file is always one. But NOTICE file different in each library. Should I append all NOTICES files in one and leave LICENSE file as is? Feb 25 09:35:02 hey ppl Feb 25 09:36:23 i'm just going through the docs, it says that your manifest must define ALL components (activities, services etc) before they can be started... i was under the impression you could create a component dynamically with code (ie. without a manifest entry), is this incorrect? Feb 25 09:37:28 if by component you mean an activity, service etc the no Feb 25 09:37:53 if by component you mean a UI widget, then yes Feb 25 09:37:56 if you mean something like, dynamically register a broadcast receiver then yeah Feb 25 09:38:31 ok! Feb 25 09:38:33 erdos: you'll probably get a better answer if you explain what it is you want to accomplish. Feb 25 09:38:36 thanks for the clarification :) Feb 25 09:39:18 so yeah, what *do* you mean? :) Feb 25 09:39:37 nothing, i'm reading the api guides from start to finish, i have a general idea about the sdk, i just want to be 100% on the specifics, i kind of thought it was possible to define an activity dynamically without it being in the manifest Feb 25 09:40:14 good idea on the reading, but nope, you can't define an activity dynamically Feb 25 09:40:24 Hello! I use in my project more than one open-source libraries. As i understand add NOTICE and LICENSE file. LICENSE file is always one. But NOTICE file different in each library. Should I append all NOTICES files in one and leave LICENSE file as is? (acra and zxing) Feb 25 09:40:55 * becom33 anyone for me ? Is it possible for the android device to act like a keyboard trough USB ? Feb 25 09:41:32