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Feb 27 03:00:09 <kaneda^> hmm, so this window doesnt overlap the frame generally?
Feb 27 03:00:13 <kaneda^> only in large res?
Feb 27 03:00:36 <ESphynx> kaneda^: well because i don't know yet how to run in low res... so the renering window was in the top left corner, while this one in the right
Feb 27 03:01:54 <ESphynx> everything is not nice yet though :| still irresponsive
Feb 27 03:02:11 <kaneda^> as i said, you can alawys render at lower quality
Feb 27 03:02:22 <kaneda^> ESphynx, if you're doing a pixel operation, make it a sparse operation
Feb 27 03:02:38 <ESphynx> kaneda^: yes, how ? :)
Feb 27 03:02:46 <ESphynx> lower quality?
Feb 27 03:02:50 <kaneda^> well, if it's literally per-pixel try pixel+=2 :D
Feb 27 03:02:58 <ESphynx> I googled that for the longest time last time I tried
Feb 27 03:02:58 <kaneda^> if it's a texture render it at half the quality
Feb 27 03:03:10 <ESphynx> the upscale thing?
Feb 27 03:03:13 <kaneda^> yes
Feb 27 03:03:19 <ESphynx> but I need to render to a texture?
Feb 27 03:03:32 <ESphynx> I wa shoping for a way to have a glViewport with a smaller size
Feb 27 03:03:34 <kaneda^> well, what are you doing right now? i heard sphere and gles
Feb 27 03:03:47 <kaneda^> ESphynx, well in gl you have a frustum right?
Feb 27 03:03:56 <ESphynx> yes I have a frustum
Feb 27 03:04:05 <kaneda^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewing_frustum
Feb 27 03:04:14 <ESphynx> I understand hte frustum ...
Feb 27 03:04:15 <kaneda^> i'm reminding myself of how this works at the same time ;p
Feb 27 03:04:31 <ESphynx> I thought you guys were saying I could have the pixel shaders do less work
Feb 27 03:04:35 <ESphynx> and then just upscale?
Feb 27 03:04:42 <ESphynx> that's not a frustum thing
Feb 27 03:04:45 <kaneda^> ESphynx, no, it's not
Feb 27 03:04:50 <ESphynx> you don't change the number of pixels with frustum
Feb 27 03:05:27 <kaneda^> no, you change the visible region
Feb 27 03:06:06 <ESphynx> but how does that help me? :)
Feb 27 03:06:23 <ESphynx> ok well at least I guaranteed now that I get one render per display update :) and my input are supposedly being procssed
Feb 27 03:07:41 <ESphynx> arg.  I see.
Feb 27 03:08:22 <kaneda^> ESphynx, on the java end you set the size of the holder
Feb 27 03:08:29 <kaneda^> and then your surfaceview fills the screen
Feb 27 03:09:36 <ESphynx> I don't have a java en d:|
Feb 27 03:10:26 <ESphynx> "What you can do is get the SurfaceHolder from GLSurfaceView, GLSurfaceView.getHolder() and then set the resolution you desire by calling SurfaceHolder.setFixedSize(width, height)."
Feb 27 03:10:29 <ESphynx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7656783/how-can-i-automatically-scale-my-opengl-es-2-0-window
Feb 27 03:10:38 <ESphynx> Hope this works with OpenGL ES 1.1 too :P
Feb 27 03:10:42 <kaneda^> sounds about right
Feb 27 03:10:53 <ESphynx> but I don't even have
Feb 27 03:10:56 <ESphynx> a GLSurfaceView
Feb 27 03:14:06 <ron_frown> oi oi
Feb 27 03:16:15 <ESphynx> where is the API reference for the NDK ALooper class?
Feb 27 03:18:31 <ESphynx> all this android glue is what's making this whole event processing sticky :P
Feb 27 03:19:42 <alex_PP> anu one else use xchat?
Feb 27 03:19:45 <alex_PP> *any
Feb 27 03:20:32 <kaneda^> ESphynx, i found refs
Feb 27 03:21:36 <kaneda^> ESphynx, https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/native/+/refs/heads/jb-mr1-release/services/surfaceflinger/
Feb 27 03:24:47 <kaneda^> holy crap, the htc one x just told me there was a driver update through windows autostart
Feb 27 03:24:48 <ESphynx> what's surface flinger kaneda^? :)
Feb 27 03:24:55 <kaneda^> where there's a will, huh?
Feb 27 03:25:05 <kaneda^> ESphynx, no clue, but it looks interesting
Feb 27 03:26:37 <ESphynx> hehehe
Feb 27 03:26:49 <ESphynx> ok I tweaked my event processing :P let's see
Feb 27 03:28:49 <ESphynx> kaneda^: do you know this feeling when you're hoping something is going to take you about 4 hours, but then it ends up taking 4 weeks? ;)
Feb 27 03:29:18 <kaneda^> i dont think i've ever been that far off an estimate in my life ;)
Feb 27 03:29:45 <ESphynx> oh . well actullly I'm about 17 years off what I was estimating maybe 6 months =)
Feb 27 03:30:04 <ESphynx> but then
Feb 27 03:30:10 <ESphynx> I guess that's a constant ratio for me
Feb 27 03:30:16 <ESphynx> I just need to multiply by 40
Feb 27 03:30:24 <ESphynx> 6 months * 40 = 20 years
Feb 27 03:30:46 <ESphynx> 4 hours * 40 = 4 weeks
Feb 27 03:33:17 <ESphynx> awwwwwesome.
Feb 27 03:33:20 <ESphynx> thanks guys ;) I got it!
Feb 27 03:33:47 <ESphynx> truth be told, I didn't have a clue about all this ALooper_code... I finally found the proper doc in the header and this I understood what I was doing :P
Feb 27 03:34:20 <ESphynx> responsiveness is very reasonable now :)
Feb 27 03:34:32 <ESphynx> this is HOT :)
Feb 27 03:35:00 <kaneda^> ESphynx, i'm curious about this Alooper thingy
Feb 27 03:35:06 <ESphynx> oh :)
Feb 27 03:35:09 <ESphynx> well let me commit the fix
Feb 27 03:35:09 <kaneda^> what doc did you find?
Feb 27 03:35:11 <ESphynx> and you can see
Feb 27 03:35:13 <kaneda^> ok
Feb 27 03:35:14 <kaneda^> cool
Feb 27 03:35:22 <ESphynx> C:\android-sdk\android-ndk-r8b\platforms\android-14\arch-x86\usr\include\android\looper.h
Feb 27 03:35:28 <ESphynx> just the header... thought I looked there last time
Feb 27 03:35:33 <ESphynx> but I hate looking in headers for docs :|
Feb 27 03:35:45 <kaneda^> is it only arch x86?
Feb 27 03:35:47 <ESphynx> it was all over the place
Feb 27 03:35:56 <ESphynx> no it's the same for arm
Feb 27 03:36:07 <ESphynx> C:\android-sdk\android-ndk-r8b\platforms\android-14\arch-armeabi\usr\include\android\looper.h :)
Feb 27 03:36:14 <kaneda^> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/native/+/refs/heads/jb-mr1-release/include/android/looper.h
Feb 27 03:36:49 <ESphynx> let me try my chess game now :) maybe that will be more responsive as well :)
Feb 27 03:38:31 <ESphynx> I need to add a multi touch API to Ecere now =)
Feb 27 03:38:56 <ron_frown> pics or it didnt happen
Feb 27 03:39:10 <ESphynx> lol
Feb 27 03:39:37 <kaneda^> ESphynx, let me know when you get around to getting all native hardware ;)
Feb 27 03:39:42 <kaneda^> specifically camera
Feb 27 03:39:56 <ESphynx> kaneda^ hehe yeah, i'm not in a big rush for camera
Feb 27 03:40:10 <kaneda^> ESphynx, i am, full native camera though, not JNI
Feb 27 03:40:12 <ESphynx> what I wanna do is get the accelerometer so I can use it to look at the terrain around :)
Feb 27 03:40:28 <ESphynx> kaneda^: well, is it in the NDK yet? :)
Feb 27 03:40:32 <kaneda^> no
Feb 27 03:40:33 * ESphynx peeks at the d
Feb 27 03:40:45 <kaneda^> you have to use JNI to query it or push to native from java
Feb 27 03:40:49 <ESphynx> how could I do it if it's not in the NDK :P
Feb 27 03:41:05 <kaneda^> ESphynx, if it was in the NDK i wouldnt need someone to do it ;)
Feb 27 03:41:21 <kaneda^> ANDROIDCEPTION
Feb 27 03:41:22 <ESphynx> kaneda^: well what exactly do you want me to do :P
Feb 27 03:41:37 <ESphynx> I just wrap the NDK in my cross-platform Ecere API :
Feb 27 03:41:40 <kaneda^> ESphynx, write generic camera drivers that work on all supported devices
Feb 27 03:41:49 <ESphynx> yeah, not gonna do that myself :P
Feb 27 03:41:51 <kaneda^> :D
Feb 27 03:41:55 <kaneda^> c'mon, just 1200 drivers or so
Feb 27 03:42:00 <kaneda^> someo f them might be the same!
Feb 27 03:42:03 <ESphynx> lol i'm busy enough as it is
Feb 27 03:42:07 <ESphynx> ehehe
Feb 27 03:42:17 <ESphynx> Ping me when it's available though :)
Feb 27 03:42:47 <ESphynx> I guess I could abstract that camera thing together with my scanning API :P
Feb 27 03:42:57 <ESphynx> well I did have plans for webcam support too for Ecere Communicator before :)
Feb 27 03:43:02 <ESphynx> it might just hapoen
Feb 27 03:44:48 <kaneda^> i'm not holding my breath, i'm sure it's difficult enough to make sure the camera support works in java alone as new devices are released
Feb 27 03:45:11 <kaneda^> again, with unity3d i know they sometimes have to play catchup when new devices are released
Feb 27 03:45:53 <kaneda^> anyways, my wife, and my cat, are both giving me the same look, which means i need to stop talking about programming now
Feb 27 03:45:57 <kaneda^> goodnight
Feb 27 03:46:40 <ESphynx>  hehe
Feb 27 03:48:30 <ron_frown> ESphynx have you done anything with ecere?
Feb 27 03:49:36 <ESphynx> ron_frown of course I have done loads with it :P
Feb 27 03:49:52 <ESphynx> I've been writing it / with it for the last 17 years ;)
Feb 27 03:50:18 <ron_frown> oh
Feb 27 03:50:19 <ron_frown> nice
Feb 27 03:50:26 <ron_frown> I've never heard of it until now
Feb 27 03:50:30 <ron_frown> looks interesting
Feb 27 03:50:31 <Leeds> pah, newbies
Feb 27 03:50:40 <ESphynx> hehe thanks ron_frown
Feb 27 03:51:12 <ESphynx> ron_frown: Ecere SDK = x-platform, native, fast, compact, low deps (eC + GUI + network + 2D/3D gfx + IDE); eC = C + OO + properties + instance level methods + reflection + dynamic imports - headers
Feb 27 03:51:37 <ron_frown> what sort of stuf do you do with it thats out there?
Feb 27 03:51:39 <ron_frown> or do other people
Feb 27 03:52:09 <ron_frown> I've been looking for something like this for cross platform mobile apps
Feb 27 03:52:17 <ESphynx> ron_frown: it's a generic SDK really... a cross-platform GUI toolkit like Qt or GTK; and an OO language like Java/C#/C++ ...
Feb 27 03:52:18 <ron_frown> (qt would work if it wasnt such a massive framework)
Feb 27 03:52:25 <ESphynx> it's light too.
Feb 27 03:52:42 <matt9_> Trying to set up checkstyle with my Android project using Ant for builds. Anyone know any good guides for setting this up?
Feb 27 03:52:50 <matt9_> particularly getting it working with Ant
Feb 27 03:52:55 <ESphynx> ron_frown: i'm about to release 0.44.1 which is about 64 bit and basic Android support. next step is more Android support and iOS, maybe BlackBerry too
Feb 27 03:58:42 <ceti331_> Anyone here got a gui gdb front end working for debugging android NDK applications?
Feb 27 04:00:30 <ESphynx> ceti331_: I'm gonna start working on one :P
Feb 27 04:01:07 <ESphynx> i.e. I got a GUI front end to GDB, but I haven't tried it with Android apps yet
Feb 27 04:01:12 <ceti331_> I really mean gdb debugging via an IDE
Feb 27 04:01:28 <ESphynx> yeah. that :)
Feb 27 04:01:42 <ceti331_> i am using qtcreator on linux, and just plain makefiles for android
Feb 27 04:02:01 <ESphynx> doesn't KDevelop or one of the other Linux tools support that yet?
Feb 27 04:02:12 <ceti331_> Makefiles , commandline etc are great but an IDE is great for debugging
Feb 27 04:02:38 <ESphynx> an IDE is great.
Feb 27 04:02:50 <ceti331_> reluctant to ick up another ide after haing settled into qtcreator
Feb 27 04:02:52 <ESphynx> Makefiles commandlines are not.
Feb 27 04:03:38 <ceti331_> Makefiles are nice for various reasons, but an ide is good too
Feb 27 04:04:54 <ESphynx> what's best is an IDE generating the Makefiles for you :P
Feb 27 04:06:45 <ceti331_> What i like most is a makefile with wildcards
Feb 27 04:07:24 <ESphynx> ah wildcards, yes. the makefiles generated by my IDE still doesn't do wildcards :S we were looking into it...
Feb 27 04:07:30 <ESphynx> it's hard to set per file options then though
Feb 27 04:08:04 <ceti331_> qtcreator seems to use wildcards , its project file really seems to be some makefile style thing
Feb 27 04:08:20 <ceti331_> thats why i am enjoying it i think
Feb 27 04:08:28 <ESphynx> ah nice
Feb 27 04:08:42 <ceti331_> For some reason ive not had this in past environments
Feb 27 04:08:42 <ESphynx> are you coding with Qt too?
Feb 27 04:08:53 <ceti331_> no just gl
Feb 27 04:08:57 <ceti331_> Gles
Feb 27 04:09:06 <ESphynx> ah nice.
Feb 27 04:09:12 <ESphynx> C
Feb 27 04:09:13 <ESphynx> '?
Feb 27 04:09:43 <ceti331_> Youd call most of my source c, but it does require c++11 to compile
Feb 27 04:10:03 <ESphynx> ah! hehe
Feb 27 04:10:33 <ESphynx> ceti331_ you wouldn't care to help me test and make my IDE working to debug NDK/Android apps with GDB, would you? ;)
Feb 27 04:10:59 <ceti331_> theres enough i hate about true idiomatic c++ to tend toward c... But enough in c++ i cant live without now... Specially auto  and range based for in cpp11
Feb 27 04:11:13 <ceti331_> maybe
Feb 27 04:11:24 <ceti331_> Depends how much is involved in setting it up
Feb 27 04:11:45 <ceti331_> My project does compile pretty easily from the commandline using wildcards
Feb 27 04:11:48 <ESphynx> ceti331_ well installing it would be straight forward, but then it's just how to connect to the ADB gdb I think
Feb 27 04:12:08 <ESphynx> it would be easy to just set up a project and compile your code with the IDE i'm sure
Feb 27 04:12:12 <ceti331_> Are you the eC person
Feb 27 04:12:17 <ESphynx> I'm the eC person lol
Feb 27 04:12:37 <ceti331_> and this is your eC environment presumably
Feb 27 04:12:41 <ESphynx> presumably ;)
Feb 27 04:13:01 <ESphynx> but you can add any mix of .ec / .c / .cpp files to a project :P
Feb 27 04:13:49 <ceti331_> eC sounds interesting but i also suspect something like qt moc is also a good solution for patching over cpp deficiencies ( generating extra metadata alongside c and cpp source )
Feb 27 04:14:12 <maslen> uh-oh. ESphynx is here.
Feb 27 04:14:16 <ceti331_> Hehheh
Feb 27 04:14:20 <ESphynx> don't mock me with moc :P  such an annoyance :P
Feb 27 04:14:25 <ESphynx> eC is the elegant solution ;)
Feb 27 04:14:32 <g00s> ceti331_: do they still have moc?
Feb 27 04:14:35 <ESphynx> hey maslen =)
Feb 27 04:15:13 <ceti331_> qt uses that moc tool to provide equivalent of reflection doesnt it, to make gui bindings and so on easier?
Feb 27 04:15:13 <g00s> last time I used Qt was in 2000 :D
Feb 27 04:15:32 <g00s> i thought they were replacing it with something else though
Feb 27 04:15:38 <ESphynx> ceti331_: to patch up for C++'s lack of being appropriate for GUIs
Feb 27 04:16:06 <ESphynx> ceti331_: eC has instance virtual methods overriding, you see :) Button button { bool NotifyClicked() { PrintLn("Hello!"); } }
Feb 27 04:16:24 <ESphynx> g00s they have a new language now don't they?
Feb 27 04:16:30 <ceti331_> qml
Feb 27 04:16:34 <ESphynx> qml yeah
Feb 27 04:16:39 <g00s> yeah, thats what ubuntu phone uses
Feb 27 04:18:15 <ceti331_> The ability to iterate class members is nice for all sorts of things eg serializing
Feb 27 04:18:57 <ESphynx> ceti331_: Yeah eC has full reflection  :)
Feb 27 04:19:17 <ESphynx> File f; f.Put(myObject);
Feb 27 04:20:30 <ESphynx> I also have a JSON serializer :)
Feb 27 04:21:45 <ceti331_> json is nice, do you do strict json or allow unquoted keys
Feb 27 04:22:06 <ESphynx> ceti331_: strict JSON so far. guess I could 'allow' that :) but it does parseable JSON
Feb 27 04:22:32 <ESphynx> ceti331_: e.g. I adopted JSON for the Ecere IDE project files ( .epj )
Feb 27 04:23:45 <ceti331_> everyone who writes a json reader should relax it to allow unquoted keys :)
Feb 27 04:23:50 <ESphynx> and it's just a: JSONParser parser; parser.GetObject(class(Project), &project);
Feb 27 04:24:14 <ESphynx> ceti331_: in fact, JSON syntax is very close to the eC object syntax :)
Feb 27 04:24:40 <ESphynx> {  } for instances, [  ] for containers...  { bla = "value" } in eC vs  { "bla" : "value" } in JSON
Feb 27 04:25:06 <ESphynx> so I'd say one should even relax it to understand = instead of :, and it could parse eC instantiations :P
Feb 27 04:25:26 <ceti331_> Maybeyou can extend ec to take json aswell.
Feb 27 04:25:45 <ESphynx> that's a thought.
Feb 27 04:26:02 <ESphynx> : instead of = you mean? :)
Feb 27 04:26:15 <ceti331_> dont know if it will mess up your parser
Feb 27 04:26:23 <ceti331_> But yes, instead of equals
Feb 27 04:26:29 <ESphynx> I think it would work, for the instantiations.
Feb 27 04:26:37 <ESphynx> can't think of any major syntactic conflict offhand :)
Feb 27 04:27:09 <ESphynx> however, my ;/: keys on my keyboard tend to die first, thanks to all the statements terminating semicolons I type =)
Feb 27 04:27:26 <ESphynx> or maybe it's all the smileys I type :)
Feb 27 04:27:47 <Rescue9> 'm still new at coding android and my google foo isn't working tonight. I can't seem to figure out how to set a preference text progmatically. How can I update the android: DialogTitle progmatically as there is no @id to reference?
Feb 27 04:29:40 <Rescue9> anyone
Feb 27 04:33:01 <ceti331_> Ive not used any android apis ust ndk
Feb 27 04:33:06 <ceti331_> Just ndk
Feb 27 04:39:03 <ESphynx> awesome. my 3D chess game works like a charm too now =)
Feb 27 05:20:30 <achuinard> On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the worst, how bad is it to make 30 or so HTTP calls before an activity loads to load enough data for 3-4 screens?  The HTTP calls are JSON responses, average size is 10K or so
Feb 27 05:20:47 <xorgate> 11
Feb 27 05:21:01 <achuinard> That's not on the scale
Feb 27 05:21:17 <xorgate> oh then disregard
Feb 27 05:22:25 <SpeedEvil> depends
Feb 27 05:22:34 <achuinard> On what?
Feb 27 05:23:01 <SpeedEvil> are you on wifi, and it's a server with a really rapid response time on your internal net.
Feb 27 05:23:26 <achuinard> Probably no on the wifi, and its the Flickr API
Feb 27 05:23:31 <SpeedEvil> or is it going over GPRS and may take at best a couple of minute sto co plete
Feb 27 05:23:45 <achuinard> it only takes 5 or so seconds on my galaxy nexus
Feb 27 05:23:46 <SpeedEvil> minutes to complete
Feb 27 05:23:47 <achuinard> to fire 30 or so
Feb 27 05:24:10 <achuinard> i guess my only concern really is will it break on some 3G conn or just take 1 minute on the shitty EDGE connection
Feb 27 05:24:11 <SpeedEvil> also, check the flicker API a up
Feb 27 05:24:29 <SpeedEvil> aup
Feb 27 05:24:39 <ESphynx> V/ecere-app(15658): Invalidating a font! V/ecere-app(15658): Sorry, no context man
Feb 27 05:24:45 <ESphynx> no context is bad :|
Feb 27 05:32:08 <g00s> not sure if this would be of use in android or not. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2013/02/26/the-c-rest-sdk-quot-casablanca-quot.aspx
Feb 27 05:35:39 <novie> wait
Feb 27 05:35:51 <novie> that's a microsoft open source project using the Apache license?
Feb 27 05:37:35 <g00s> yeah :) and Windows Phone app store allows any OSI-approved open source license — even the GPL.
Feb 27 05:38:12 <novie> heh.
Feb 27 05:40:09 <ESphynx> is it normal that my Nexus 10 battery slowly drains when plugged into my USB port?
Feb 27 05:41:09 <novie> ESphynx: might not have enough power to charge.
Feb 27 05:44:43 <g00s> yeah 7 hours from a 9000 mAh battery (surfing the web)
Feb 27 05:48:12 <SpeedEvil> about 1.2 a,or 4W.
Feb 27 05:48:31 <SpeedEvil> USB will provide 2.5
Feb 27 05:49:11 <g00s> what ? no way
Feb 27 05:49:25 <SpeedEvil> the nexus 7 can charge from a computer in use. but only at low brightness
Feb 27 05:49:27 <g00s> 500ma typical, spikes up to 900ma maybe
Feb 27 05:49:27 <pboos> Scala on Android question: Anyone a good idea to debug apps written in scala? Seems like dex without proguard is impossible. and debugging after proguard, well...
Feb 27 05:50:33 <SpeedEvil> g00s: I was assuming you meant you got 7h, to drained from a 9ah battery
Feb 27 05:51:00 <kevinb> so it looks paid apps are once again available to Taiwan, but devs have to check the box for it again as it is not unchecked (for me at least). Anyone heard an official source on this? I just found out because a Taiwanese user emailed me asking me to add Taiwan and I checked and saw the checkbox. Anyone here in Taiwan?
Feb 27 05:51:02 <ron_frown> g00s
Feb 27 05:51:05 <g00s> SpeedEvil: oh - yeah, but USB 2 won't do 2.5A, not sure what USB 3 would do
Feb 27 05:51:09 <g00s> hey ron_frown :)
Feb 27 05:51:20 <ron_frown> http://pinocc.io/
Feb 27 05:51:26 <SpeedEvil> oh
Feb 27 05:51:34 <SpeedEvil> 2.5w
Feb 27 05:51:45 <SpeedEvil> not amps, sorry
Feb 27 05:52:03 <ron_frown> jiggawatts
Feb 27 05:52:09 <g00s> ron_frown: cool, are you part of that project ?
Feb 27 05:52:15 <ron_frown> haha no no
Feb 27 05:52:22 <ron_frown> I am a part of a lot
Feb 27 05:52:24 <ron_frown> but not that
Feb 27 05:52:36 <ron_frown> it was exactly what I was looking for, but unfortunately not available yet
Feb 27 05:53:08 <g00s> hm, it has a LiPo battery
Feb 27 05:53:21 <g00s> gotta look for stuff that can run off solar ;)
Feb 27 05:53:35 <ron_frown> yeah I got something for the interim in the works
Feb 27 05:53:41 <pboos> ron_frown: arg.. another cool thing to play around with :)
Feb 27 05:53:51 <ron_frown> haha pboos  you should see my desk at the office
Feb 27 05:54:08 <ron_frown> about 1/2 dozen pandas, probably 20 4460 custom boards
Feb 27 05:54:11 <pboos> ron_frown: well. at home i have 3 arduinos, 1 raspberry pi, ..
Feb 27 05:54:22 <pboos> ron_frown: where do you work? sounds cool!!
Feb 27 05:54:28 <ron_frown> hahahahahahahahah
Feb 27 05:54:30 <ron_frown> yeah not so much
Feb 27 05:54:36 <ron_frown> I work on interesting stuff
Feb 27 05:54:45 <ron_frown> but company is completely fucking backwards
Feb 27 05:55:13 <pboos> ron_frown: $99 is a little expensive for wifi... can do the same with arduino but cheaper :)
Feb 27 05:55:19 <ron_frown> I got a couple odroidx's colecting dust
Feb 27 05:55:38 <g00s> there is a new arduino with a 3g GMS module
Feb 27 05:55:55 <ron_frown> meh
Feb 27 05:56:04 <ron_frown> my stuff wont be that remote
Feb 27 05:56:13 <ron_frown> if zigbee or other meshnetwork shit was remotely reliable
Feb 27 05:56:15 <ron_frown> that would be sufficient
Feb 27 05:56:44 <g00s> here it is http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GSM-Arduino-calls-in-to-the-cloud-1810901.html
Feb 27 05:57:05 <ron_frown> there it is again
Feb 27 05:57:07 <ron_frown> that c word
Feb 27 05:57:31 <g00s> zigbee has royalty fees; i think its being replaced by 6LowPAN
Feb 27 05:57:42 <ron_frown> there was another I read about that was pretty cool
Feb 27 05:57:45 <ron_frown> dont remember name
Feb 27 05:57:50 <pboos> zigbee would be awesome. but too expensive :(
Feb 27 05:58:29 <g00s> did ron just fall asleep in the middle of the conversation? damn
Feb 27 05:59:02 <Leeds> g00s: you're just *that* boring :P
Feb 27 05:59:15 <g00s> probably :/
Feb 27 05:59:19 <Leeds> uh, exciting... yeah, that's what I meant
Feb 27 06:00:14 <evanc> Chainfire: ping?
Feb 27 06:09:29 * Gumboot lives in a cubieboard household.
Feb 27 06:20:14 <ceti331_> Has anyone here used native activity .... I am trying to get the sample to comple
Feb 27 06:20:34 <ceti331_> So far ive got something working using other ndk samples with java calling cpp
Feb 27 06:20:36 <ceti331_> But it loooks to me likey nativeactivity supports a propper cpp main loop which i would much prefer
Feb 27 06:20:47 <ceti331_> This is for a crossplatform project
Feb 27 06:28:09 <RustyShackleford> When i go to preferences->General->Appearance in Eclipse, I get a warning saying that invalid values exist
Feb 27 06:28:24 <RustyShackleford> I'm using eclipse from the ADT Bundle
Feb 27 06:28:40 <RustyShackleford> does anyone have this issue as well?
Feb 27 06:29:55 <g00s> seems the bundle is more trouble than its worth
Feb 27 06:30:22 <g00s> what is so hard in getting the platform runtime and adding the ADT
Feb 27 06:31:40 <RustyShackleford> g00s, so you use your own eclipse?
Feb 27 06:31:48 <RustyShackleford> and just install ADT?
Feb 27 06:31:55 <g00s> yeah … its so easy
Feb 27 06:32:02 <RustyShackleford> true, I've done it
Feb 27 06:32:12 <RustyShackleford> but the page told me to get the bundle!
Feb 27 06:32:38 <g00s> the platform runtime is slim, you wind up with adt, jdt, and some xml tool. my eclipse memory usage is always under 500meg
Feb 27 06:33:54 <b0nn> hm, I'm having a scope issue, line 48 is erroring, claiming the method does not exist for GPSFlag. I have included GPSFlag as well http://pastebin.com/ygULhsgG
Feb 27 06:34:53 <b0nn> lines 48, 49 and 50 error, BUT line 51 is fine
Feb 27 06:35:33 <g00s> b0nn: btw, in GPSFlag, you can use a technique called 'telescoping constructors'
Feb 27 06:35:53 <g00s> the last 3 ctors are definitely not DRY
Feb 27 06:35:59 <b0nn> ?
Feb 27 06:37:05 <g00s> builders are better than telescoping constructors, but when you only have a few its ok
Feb 27 06:37:39 <b0nn> ok
Feb 27 06:37:41 <canadiancow> what's a telescoping constructor
Feb 27 06:38:03 <b0nn> canadiancow: I had to google to see what was meant too!
Feb 27 06:38:12 <g00s> you provide one ctor with full argument list that inits everything, and each smaller ctor calls that with defaults
Feb 27 06:38:13 <b0nn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5603108/builder-pattern-or-telescoping-constructor-pattern-like-pattern-is-better
Feb 27 06:38:36 <g00s> good evening canadiancow :)
Feb 27 06:38:37 <canadiancow> thats a stupid example
Feb 27 06:38:51 <canadiancow> Pizza(int size, List<Topping> toppings)
Feb 27 06:38:59 <canadiancow> LETS HAVE A BOOLEAN FOR EVERY POSSIBILITY
Feb 27 06:40:14 <b0nn> at any rate, can anyone see why eclipse doesn't let me access my public getters?
Feb 27 06:40:54 <g00s> b0nn: are you a python dev ?
Feb 27 06:41:19 <b0nn> um
Feb 27 06:41:31 <b0nn> I'm a jack of all trades dev
Feb 27 06:41:44 <g00s>  public double getLatitude(){return this.latitude;}
Feb 27 06:41:46 <b0nn> which is causing my master of none itus
Feb 27 06:41:50 <g00s> you dont need this :)
Feb 27 06:43:03 <b0nn> should I just be GPSFlagObj.latitude?
Feb 27 06:43:54 <g00s> just say return latitude; :/
Feb 27 06:43:59 <b0nn> oh
Feb 27 06:44:22 <g00s> but anyhow, nothing stands out, let eclipse try to suggest a fix :D
Feb 27 06:44:30 <g00s> probably something just stupid
Feb 27 06:45:04 <b0nn> it just errors on me
Feb 27 06:45:20 <b0nn> I have to go, I'll think on it and see if anything springs to mind
Feb 27 06:45:22 <g00s> hover over the error, it should suggest some fixes
Feb 27 06:45:26 <b0nn> thanks for having a look
Feb 27 06:46:12 <b0nn> the method getId() is undefined for the type GPSFlag
Feb 27 06:54:35 <canadiancow> g00s, can you return this.this.latitude ?
Feb 27 06:55:04 <g00s> :|
Feb 27 06:55:09 <canadiancow> i wasnt sure
Feb 27 06:55:11 <canadiancow> apparently not
Feb 27 06:55:15 <canadiancow> im getting a really strange error when i try
Feb 27 06:55:20 <JesusFreke> wth is this.this?
Feb 27 06:55:39 <g00s> canadiancow: this this.that.latitude :P
Feb 27 06:55:43 <canadiancow> lol
Feb 27 06:55:44 <g00s> *try
Feb 27 06:56:38 <canadiancow> anyway after that constructor talk
Feb 27 06:56:41 <canadiancow> i kinda want a pizza
Feb 27 06:56:49 <JesusFreke> new pizza();
Feb 27 06:57:07 <g00s> are those pizza vending machines out yet ?
Feb 27 06:59:38 <canadiancow> wow i just opened an eclipse project that hsa a build target of android 3.1
Feb 27 06:59:43 <canadiancow> i clearly havent touched that in... two years
Feb 27 06:59:59 <g00s> my target is still 8 :)
Feb 27 07:00:04 * g00s runs
Feb 27 07:00:39 <g00s> i was going to get a new device when the 2nd gen N7 is announced
Feb 27 07:04:19 <Leeds> there's a 2nd gen N7?
Feb 27 07:04:53 <g00s> well, not yet. i'm just guessing announcement at i/o. should be almost the same but maybe higher drpi screen slight spec bump on processor
Feb 27 07:05:42 <g00s> basically, i need my next device to have bluetooth low energy; and none of the nexus have that. if the n7 v2 comes out and doesn't i'll just have to go to plan V
Feb 27 07:05:46 <Leeds> and hopefully some solution to the crippling I/O performance
Feb 27 07:05:48 <g00s> err, plan B
Feb 27 07:06:02 <Leeds> Plan V?  You'll call in an alien invasion? :)
Feb 27 07:06:09 <g00s> \o/
Feb 27 07:06:43 <g00s> the only intelligent life they will find … dolphins and cows that program
Feb 27 07:09:39 <g00s> the new Weather Channel app … boggles
Feb 27 07:09:52 <g00s> "The free Weather Channel App is launching in partnership with sponsor Toyota and introduces new full-screen ad units dubbed "branded backgrounds"
Feb 27 07:10:23 <g00s> which is so funny, since i read a usability critique on this app - and they said it didn't effectively use available space
Feb 27 07:10:29 <g00s> well, i guess they solved that problem now :D
Feb 27 07:11:04 <thebope> Hi, I'm having trouble with URIs. I have a class Provider which extends ContentProvider and has a private SQLiteHelper with in. But I'm not sure how exactly the URI system works so that I may access it from my main activity
Feb 27 07:11:33 <g00s> thebope: study the iosched example for a nice simple and clean provider example
Feb 27 07:12:01 <thebope> g00s: thanks, will check out, on the google android.dev examples I presume?
Feb 27 07:12:11 <g00s> "Clayton on developing for Android: Android fragmentation is still the single largest hurdle for developers, including us. It's a real bear, and it needs material change sooner or later. It's disincentivizing developers to build for the platform."
Feb 27 07:12:37 <thebope> Developing for Android is definitely like putting a puzzle together
Feb 27 07:12:58 <pragma-> yeah, that puzzle being the android developer docs
Feb 27 07:13:24 <g00s> its one of those puzzles, which is missing a few pieces or has too many pieces
Feb 27 07:13:45 <thebope> and very few edges
Feb 27 07:13:55 <thebope> and no box with a picture
Feb 27 07:14:06 <thebope> luckily you can assemble it in a variety of ways
Feb 27 07:14:39 * JesusFreke ponders a toroidal puzzle, with no edges
Feb 27 07:14:58 <thebope> lol
Feb 27 07:15:32 <JesusFreke> meh, you could tell wghat part of the torroid the piece was supposed to go, based on the curve
Feb 27 07:16:05 <thebope> I guess that is kind of like android
Feb 27 07:17:34 <g00s> the android puzzle is different based on the size of your table
Feb 27 07:19:45 <thebope> g00s: by iosched example did you mean the whole iosched project?
Feb 27 07:19:54 <g00s> it only has one provider
Feb 27 07:20:17 <g00s> its very neatly done, so a good example
Feb 27 07:21:14 <thebope> ahh okay, cloning now
Feb 27 07:21:52 <g00s> there are at least 3 things that will impact your Uri design: (1) data model (2) how you want to secure certain uris with <grant-uri-permission> & friends, and (3) how you want to notify part of your app that something is changed (which depends on the form of the Uri) , etc
Feb 27 07:22:18 <g00s> it requires some careful thinking through
Feb 27 07:22:26 <thebope> Ahhh, so I can add URIs to the matcher which will then be accessible I'm thinking
Feb 27 07:22:37 <thebope> I haven't set up any matcher and I'm figuring that's my issue
Feb 27 07:22:50 <thebope> My data model is incredibly simple, just a key value table
Feb 27 07:23:40 <g00s> did you consider trying MapDb ?
Feb 27 07:24:12 <thebope> Hmm no, it is for a school project so there must be a content provider involved so that it may be accessed from other applications
Feb 27 07:24:29 <g00s> ah, ok.
Feb 27 07:26:14 <thebope> I love when schoolwork gets me to develop cool things but sometimes I think goal oriented learning often causes me to lose sight of the big picture
Feb 27 07:26:38 <thebope> So that I may miss out on some details while trying to satisfy others
Feb 27 07:38:29 <kreaper> Hi, can someone please guid me to why i suddenly receives double notifications(from gcm) this started occuring at the same time as i installed the app from google play(did uninstall the previous)
Feb 27 07:45:35 <thebope> goodnight all
Feb 27 07:45:50 <thebope> I rest my eyes for the moment
Feb 27 07:52:50 <gmg85> what is the best way to post data to the server side
Feb 27 07:53:04 <gmg85> on android
Feb 27 07:53:24 <timroes> depends on what your server side supports :D
Feb 27 07:53:39 <g00s> depends on the data, frequency of posting, etc
Feb 27 08:01:43 <balls2thewall> during the lifetime of an applciation can the context change or is it specific to the application
Feb 27 08:02:05 <appel1> balls2thewall: which context?
Feb 27 08:02:12 <kreaper> Hi, can someone please guid me to why i suddenly receives double notifications(from gcm) this started occuring at the same time as i installed the app from google play(did uninstall the previous)
Feb 27 08:02:48 <superlinux-hp> hi. can  install an apk requiring root without flashing my phone and reinstalling the OS again? i have had the phone yesterday brand new
Feb 27 08:02:50 <balls2thewall> are there several? im referring to the abstract context i acquire via getAppContext
Feb 27 08:02:56 <balls2thewall> and use in almost every other call
Feb 27 08:04:31 <appel1> balls2thewall: then no, the application context is tied to the lifetime of the process
Feb 27 08:04:46 <appel1> balls2thewall: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Context.html#getApplicationContext()
Feb 27 08:05:10 <balls2thewall> so why is it considered bad to put the context in a static field?
Feb 27 08:06:14 <appel1> balls2thewall: in general it is bad, because context can also be an activity or service
Feb 27 08:08:54 <balls2thewall> alright that settles that, ty
Feb 27 08:17:10 <squ> how to startActivity from inside Activity -> ListView -> CursorAdapter -> bindView -> button.setOnClickListener
Feb 27 08:17:11 <squ> :)
Feb 27 08:17:37 <alex_PP> pass the activity into the adapter?
Feb 27 08:18:16 <appel1> squ: use the context you get in bindView ?
Feb 27 08:19:46 <squ> basically is it normal?
Feb 27 08:20:06 <squ> what about ListView.setOnItemClickListener ?
Feb 27 08:20:54 <timroes> ListView.this.getContext()?
Feb 27 08:20:58 <squ> I'd like to pass record id into a method which is inside Activity
Feb 27 08:21:22 <squ> now I'm doing it this way: I setContentDescription to button
Feb 27 08:21:28 <squ> with record id
Feb 27 08:21:42 <squ> in xml I set button android:onClick:method
Feb 27 08:22:13 <squ> and inside activity I get that id from public void method(View view) { view.getContentDescription }
Feb 27 08:23:17 <ESphynx> I get the weirdest behavior when recreating my VBOs upon going back to the apps :| first frame renders ok with the new VBOs, but the next are garbage!
Feb 27 08:23:39 <ESphynx> this is on the x86 emulator, on the device it takes quite a bunch of frames before they become garbage
Feb 27 08:24:04 <ESphynx> before I leave the app, everything is just fine
Feb 27 08:52:39 <kreaper> Hi, can someone please guid me to why i suddenly receives double notifications(from gcm) this started occuring at the same time as i installed the app from google play(did uninstall the previous)
Feb 27 09:00:05 <wabz> perhaps your app has registered on your systems twice
Feb 27 09:00:18 <wabz> i.e. same device token twice?
Feb 27 09:00:53 <wabz> I'm trying to upload an apk to publisher console and it's just giving me "Your application cannot be loaded at this time. Please try again later."
Feb 27 09:01:01 <wabz> anyone got that before?
Feb 27 09:01:57 <ESphynx> anyone knows why when I reload my VBOs from a context loss... I get one correct frame, then junk?
Feb 27 09:02:05 <wabz> hmm I signed out/in and it's there
Feb 27 09:02:06 <wabz> winner
Feb 27 09:03:09 <ESphynx> actually that's not correct :| I get a bunch of frmaes until i 'move'
Feb 27 09:09:07 <H3bus> HI guys, is it possible to set bluetooth mode to discoverable without user confirmation ?
Feb 27 09:20:44 <Chainfire> evanc ?
Feb 27 09:29:02 <g00s> huh, i haven't seen this yet http://phandroid.com/2013/02/26/google-settings-icon/
Feb 27 09:39:41 <callumtaylor> hey guys, im having problems with GCM sending a notification twice, around 10 minutes apart
Feb 27 09:39:47 <callumtaylor> anyone else having this issue?
Feb 27 09:40:06 <g00s> google shit not working? say it aint so !
Feb 27 09:40:40 <callumtaylor> its really weird http://pastebin.com/SPdnT5vG
Feb 27 09:40:55 <callumtaylor> the first one, the from in the bundle is mcs.android.com, and the second one is my project ID
Feb 27 09:40:58 <g00s> callumtaylor: did you ask that question an hour or so ago, under a different nick ?
Feb 27 09:41:06 <callumtaylor> no
Feb 27 09:41:14 <callumtaylor> literally just got in to work
Feb 27 09:41:16 <g00s> ok, well all i can say is - someone else is seeing that
Feb 27 09:41:30 <callumtaylor> did they get a solution?
Feb 27 09:41:30 <g00s> so you aren't the only one
Feb 27 09:41:32 <kreaper> callumtaylor: i have the same problem
Feb 27 09:41:36 <g00s> not that i could tell
Feb 27 09:41:42 <g00s> ah :)
Feb 27 09:41:46 <callumtaylor> oh thank god its not just me, i've been rapping my head for the past 2 days
Feb 27 09:41:56 <kreaper> me2
Feb 27 09:42:10 <callumtaylor> i've never had the issue before with the script im using
Feb 27 09:42:11 <kreaper> since yesterday this time
Feb 27 09:42:14 <kreaper> nor me
Feb 27 09:42:28 <kreaper> i did connect the api-key to the market app
Feb 27 09:42:36 <kreaper> that's the only thing i could think of
Feb 27 09:42:45 <kreaper> "LINKED SENDER IDS"
Feb 27 09:44:41 <callumtaylor> have you tried removing it from your app?
Feb 27 09:45:18 <EPG> hi, i want to continously read output from a process started via exec (e.g. logcat) and display it on my activity. what'd be the best way to do this, is there any useful (well-explained) example? i found some snippets on SO etc. but nothing too useful
Feb 27 09:47:46 <bobsapp> Morning all, I'd like to track people who install my android app via a certain link.  Has anyone done this before?
Feb 27 09:48:04 <bobsapp> I mean can I add google analytics urls to the google play link
Feb 27 09:48:05 <bobsapp> ?
Feb 27 09:49:28 <callumtaylor> i've just sent a support ticket to google kreaper
Feb 27 09:50:58 <kreaper> callumtaylor: yes, and same results
Feb 27 09:51:07 <kreaper> callumtaylor: how did u end up in this mess?
Feb 27 09:51:27 <kreaper> achuinard: i connected the sender id, and also publishing the app to the market
Feb 27 09:51:30 <krad> hi.  if i set target=android-10, my app won't work on newer target versions?
Feb 27 09:51:32 <kreaper> callumtaylor: i connected the sender id, and also publishing the app to the market
Feb 27 09:51:46 <callumtaylor> my app had a sudden influx of users so i had to re-write my notification system and when i was testing, i was getting the same notication over and over
Feb 27 09:51:53 <callumtaylor> it worked perfectly a few days ago
Feb 27 09:52:16 <kreaper> do you get the same allways or just double
Feb 27 09:52:25 <callumtaylor> double
Feb 27 09:52:34 <callumtaylor> so i'll get one instantly, then another one about 10 minutes later
Feb 27 09:52:46 <kreaper> for me about 2-4minutes
Feb 27 09:53:08 <kreaper> and me response from google looks perfect
Feb 27 09:53:14 <kreaper> and i know i just send a single message
Feb 27 09:53:20 <kreaper> (from logging)
Feb 27 09:53:31 <kreaper> so either the app do something funny or GCM is messing with me
Feb 27 09:53:35 <callumtaylor> yeah, me too
Feb 27 09:53:35 <kreaper> is my cnoclussion sofar
Feb 27 09:53:59 <kreaper> what script are you using for pushing messages?
Feb 27 09:54:03 <callumtaylor> so far i've found, its not my code, laptop, or server
Feb 27 09:54:10 <callumtaylor> sec, i'll paste it
Feb 27 09:55:10 <callumtaylor> http://pastebin.com/KnLK5L4B
Feb 27 09:55:39 <kreaper> hmm?
Feb 27 09:55:44 <kreaper> not a working link
Feb 27 09:56:50 <callumtaylor> o.o weird, sec
Feb 27 09:57:02 <p_l> g00s: yo
Feb 27 09:57:04 <callumtaylor> http://pastebin.com/v9xnANq2
Feb 27 09:57:13 <g00s> hey p_l
Feb 27 09:58:28 <callumtaylor> hm, got d/c
Feb 27 09:58:29 <kreaper> callumtaylor: how does your payload look like?
Feb 27 09:59:07 <kreaper> http://pastebin.com/kcEANuhS
Feb 27 09:59:14 <callumtaylor> http://pastebin.com/Cn3mA40D
Feb 27 09:59:14 <kreaper> i use double data arrays
Feb 27 09:59:26 <callumtaylor> that shouldn't matter
Feb 27 09:59:52 <kreaper> nope :)
Feb 27 10:00:00 <kreaper> grasping straws by now ;)
Feb 27 10:03:24 <superlinux-hp> hi. can  install an apk requiring root without flashing my phone and reinstalling the OS again? i have had the phone yesterday brand new
Feb 27 10:03:46 <superlinux-hp> can i?
Feb 27 10:04:33 <appel1> ask in #android-root or look for instructions on xda-developers
Feb 27 10:05:22 <kreaper> callumtaylor: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!search/gcm$20double$20notification/android-gcm/EHZUTEJMeyw/Eij4m6PqAKcJ
Feb 27 10:05:39 <callumtaylor> interesting
Feb 27 10:06:29 <callumtaylor> i hope they get this fixed asap
Feb 27 10:06:50 <kreaper> :)
Feb 27 10:06:51 <kreaper> me2
Feb 27 10:09:05 <callumtaylor> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/android-gcm/EHZUTEJMeyw/tvyWp9it3zgJ
Feb 27 10:09:15 <callumtaylor> although my app was set up with gcm, not c2dm
Feb 27 10:09:29 <callumtaylor> but the from field is coming through as "mcs.android.com" for the first notification
Feb 27 10:09:51 <kreaper> mine to
Feb 27 10:10:10 <kreaper> mine is brand new
Feb 27 10:12:56 <superlinux-hp> appel1, thanks
Feb 27 10:18:13 <aero1> anyone using Necessitas?
Feb 27 10:18:21 <aero1> and could they extoll the virtues (or even lack of)
Feb 27 10:21:22 <kreaper> callumtaylor: i guess it's waiting time!
Feb 27 10:21:32 <callumtaylor> indeed
Feb 27 10:23:45 <g00s> kreaper callumtaylor good luck guys :)
Feb 27 10:56:43 <nep1x> Good morning
Feb 27 10:58:54 <nep1x> I am using to develop an app for android some external classes not belonging to Android SDK. Its name is simple 2.7 and it uses for XML serialization in a very easy way
Feb 27 10:59:17 <nep1x> I add the external JAR to my project in eclipse and it compiles good
Feb 27 10:59:51 <nep1x> but, when deploying to my device for testing a Classnotfound exception is given
Feb 27 11:00:40 <callumtaylor> try checking the "export" in the build path
Feb 27 11:01:19 <nep1x> my question: Is there anyway to solve this? exporting the library, because is vere light
Feb 27 11:02:11 <nep1x> very*
Feb 27 11:02:28 <nep1x> callumtaylor what do you mean by checking the export?
Feb 27 11:02:52 <callumtaylor> in build path, go to order and export
Feb 27 11:03:01 <callumtaylor> then check the checkbox next to the jar file
Feb 27 11:04:16 <krad> shouldn't an app built for android 2.3.6 work on android 4.0?
Feb 27 11:04:53 <g00s> bwahaha
Feb 27 11:05:10 <g00s> i just had to update mine, it was blowing chunks on 4.1 +
Feb 27 11:05:55 <krad> this kind of sucks.  i thought android supports backward compatibility
Feb 27 11:06:12 <krad> g00s, what did you have to update specificially?
Feb 27 11:06:51 <g00s> well, behavior of content providers, security, and exported changed enough to make my app crash on 4.1 and 4.2
Feb 27 11:07:26 <g00s> i used to have exported="false" and that worked fine when i fired an Intent of ACTION_SEND with EXTRA_STREAM uri pointing to my provider
Feb 27 11:08:02 <g00s> but then all of a sudden it started busting. and that led to a can of worms about how the behavior of uri permissions has changed from froyo to now
Feb 27 11:09:52 <hfatih> hello, i need help getting root access in my app.I was trying to send udp packet using source port 40, and i just discovered using sorce ports <1024 needs root access in linux.Since android is linux, how can i get root access for my app in java, what is the easiest and best way to do
Feb 27 11:10:15 <hfatih> my device is rooted btw
Feb 27 11:11:38 <aero1> hfatih: why are you sending on port 40?
Feb 27 11:12:23 <nep1x> callumtaylor, what you say makes sense and should resolve the issue. But once I deploy the app two warning are given: Could not find class '[...]' and VFY: unable to resolve new-instance 566-
Feb 27 11:12:37 <nep1x> and also: VFY: dead code...
Feb 27 11:12:41 <nep1x> what is dead code?
Feb 27 11:12:57 <nep1x> I didn't know code could die....
Feb 27 11:13:00 <nep1x> jejejeje
Feb 27 11:14:23 <nightylike> hello
Feb 27 11:14:31 <hfatih> aero1, i'm cloning an existing app, i sniffed packages and i saw that it uses source and dest. ports 40.i'm trying to communicate with an external central device so i thought it may be lloking for my source port and replying if it is 40
Feb 27 11:14:49 <aero1> Shouldn't do
Feb 27 11:15:02 <hfatih> http://i.imgur.com/w7M6qAh.png
Feb 27 11:15:09 <hfatih> that is how other app communicates
Feb 27 11:15:12 <aero1> I don't care
Feb 27 11:15:30 <aero1> Source ports are rarely checked, only receiving ports are (obviously) important.
Feb 27 11:15:39 <aero1> Try it on >1024 before _needing_ to use port 40
Feb 27 11:15:57 <hfatih> i tried and didnt get any response from device
Feb 27 11:16:03 <aero1> then maybe it is
Feb 27 11:16:11 <aero1> which device is this?
Feb 27 11:16:25 <hfatih> a central hospital device
Feb 27 11:16:34 <hfatih> no no
Feb 27 11:16:37 <hfatih> a bedside monitor
Feb 27 11:16:42 <aero1> Can't you ask the manufacturer?
Feb 27 11:16:45 <hfatih> graphing ecg graphs etc
Feb 27 11:17:18 <aero1> hfatih: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6010796/run-secure-api-calls-as-root-android
Feb 27 11:17:20 <hfatih> well they are too far, and i just wanted to figure around myself
Feb 27 11:17:26 <hfatih> i will ask if i cant do anything
Feb 27 11:20:01 <becom33> im getting devices not found when I do adb shell
Feb 27 11:20:04 <becom33> http://pastebin.com/LdvD6aW4
Feb 27 11:20:28 <g00s> try adb kill-server
Feb 27 11:21:19 <aero1> hfatih: apparently putting the binary app into /system/app will grant root privs, but I've not got a rooted phone so I don't know.
Feb 27 11:21:51 <becom33> Hope they won't take this as a flood
Feb 27 11:21:52 <becom33> but
Feb 27 11:21:55 <becom33> g00s, * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
Feb 27 11:21:56 <becom33> * daemon started successfully *
Feb 27 11:21:56 <becom33> error: device not found
Feb 27 11:22:19 <becom33> i tried adb kill-sever and then adb shell thats what I get
Feb 27 11:23:00 <hfatih> aero1, yes, i saw that one on the link u gave, i'm trying it now
Feb 27 11:23:26 <aero1> becom33: doesn't adb shell need a device name to connect to?
Feb 27 11:23:36 <aero1> adb -s <numbers> .e.g.
Feb 27 11:24:18 <H3bus> EPG : I do it in my app (except that I write in a file), check this out : http://paste.h3b.us/?e72a0dd538021dff#KFINGvLLDBMJFT9XNUM31ss8ChJ6MfJCIkdbo48D4ms=
Feb 27 11:24:23 <becom33> aero1, I was trying to root the emulator
Feb 27 11:26:52 <becom33> anyone ?
Feb 27 11:28:13 <becom33> aero1, I was trying to root the emulator I ran this command "adb shell mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock03 /system  "
Feb 27 11:28:19 <becom33> after that I started to get this error
Feb 27 11:28:28 <soulseekah> becom33 use shell on the device directly and find out what is running
Feb 27 11:28:29 <becom33> error: device not found
Feb 27 11:28:53 <becom33> soulseekah, what do you mean ?
Feb 27 11:29:26 <soulseekah> get a shell onto the device and start doing netstat, ps to find out the state of the system
Feb 27 11:30:09 <becom33> soulseekah, what device ?
Feb 27 11:30:13 <soulseekah> your emulator
Feb 27 11:30:59 <soulseekah> sounds like adbd went down and can't get back up in your case
Feb 27 11:32:11 <soulseekah> but without evidence in the form of process lists one can only guess
Feb 27 11:33:36 <EPG> H3bus, thanks I'll have a look
Feb 27 11:34:13 <H3bus> EPG: You're welcome
Feb 27 11:37:25 <H3bus> Does anyone knows what a COD filter for bluetooth is ?
Feb 27 11:39:15 <p_l> H3bus: COD is "Class of Device"
Feb 27 11:44:32 <gru__> is it possible to set in xml something like android:layout_marginBottom="" to the height of an image divided by 5?
Feb 27 11:46:10 <g00s> p_l: think key lime will have bluetooth low energy? like we know , heh ...
Feb 27 11:47:25 <An_Ony_Moose> I have eclipse installed with ADT. Is it possible to create a "clean" workspace where everything android will be disabled?
Feb 27 11:49:49 <StingRay_> gru__: if you do it in code yes
Feb 27 11:52:19 <gru__> StingRay_: i want to do it in xml
Feb 27 11:52:24 <gru__> is that possible?
Feb 27 11:52:28 <StingRay_> no
Feb 27 11:53:23 <StingRay_> well that may not be 100% true
Feb 27 11:54:08 <StingRay_> you maybe able to use a boat load of view/spacers all in a big hierarchy and using layout_weight
Feb 27 11:54:23 <StingRay_> but not sure and if you could would be boat loads of pointless views
Feb 27 11:54:24 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 11:54:44 <gru__> mh no that sucks
Feb 27 11:54:48 <gru__> i want to have something clean
Feb 27 11:54:58 <StingRay_> code then
Feb 27 12:03:31 <krad> windows can't recognize my android device.. it's a GS2.. it just cant find the usb driver
Feb 27 12:05:43 <timroes> krad: have you installed the usb driver via android sdk manager?
Feb 27 12:05:48 <An_Ony_Moose> krad: did you insta... ^
Feb 27 12:05:52 <krad> timroes, yes
Feb 27 12:05:55 <krad> definitely.
Feb 27 12:06:15 <Anoia> have you checked styackoverflow?
Feb 27 12:06:17 <Anoia> search for HTC one
Feb 27 12:06:21 <Anoia> +y
Feb 27 12:06:34 <krad> i'm just using another mobile's usb cable.  does that make any difference
Feb 27 12:06:39 <Anoia> no
Feb 27 12:06:42 <Anoia> it's the device ID
Feb 27 12:06:54 <krad> so why it cant find it
Feb 27 12:06:59 <Anoia> the drivers int he SDK are only for Google identified phones
Feb 27 12:07:14 <Anoia> other manufacturers have different devioce IDs
Feb 27 12:07:42 <Anoia> http://stackoverflow.com/a/13327665/588306
Feb 27 12:08:18 <krad> I had the same problem and JUST as i was about to give up, i realized that I had replaced my usb cord with a generic one from the store. I happened to still have the old one around still and that ended up " being my issue -.-; Hope this helps someone else!"
Feb 27 12:08:23 <krad> chord matters..
Feb 27 12:09:11 <Anoia> bizare
Feb 27 12:09:14 <Anoia> it's just USB
Feb 27 12:09:27 <Anoia> the cord should be entirely passive
Feb 27 12:09:53 <An_Ony_Moose> Anoia: it might only be for power.
Feb 27 12:10:12 <An_Ony_Moose> if the producers are REALLY cheap.
Feb 27 12:10:25 <An_Ony_Moose> I have eclipse installed with the android sdk. Is it possible to create a "clean" workspace where everything android will be disabled?
Feb 27 12:11:37 <Anoia> krad: have you checked that link yet?
Feb 27 12:12:43 <p_l> g00s: ... I could ask? ;P
Feb 27 12:12:53 <g00s> do eet !
Feb 27 12:13:03 <p_l> g00s: if I visit MTV, sure :P
Feb 27 12:13:21 <g00s> \o/
Feb 27 12:13:23 <p_l> (actually more possible than it seemed yesterday o_O)
Feb 27 12:14:33 <krad> ok.. i enabled debugging over wifi.. adb devices lists: 192.168.1.125:5555
Feb 27 12:14:45 <krad> but i can't see the device in the android virtual device manager
Feb 27 12:14:55 <StingRay_> krad: have you connected to it ?
Feb 27 12:15:00 <An_Ony_Moose> it's not a virtual device.
Feb 27 12:15:12 <StingRay_> adb connect ip:port
Feb 27 12:15:18 <krad> yes i connected to it
Feb 27 12:15:26 <krad> i want to debug my android app on eclipse against the device
Feb 27 12:15:48 <StingRay_> well it should show in the devices window if you HAVE connected
Feb 27 12:15:55 <StingRay_> your using some odd custom rom ?
Feb 27 12:16:03 <krad> cyanogenmod
Feb 27 12:16:12 <StingRay_> indeed
Feb 27 12:16:32 <krad> i don't see it in the devices window
Feb 27 12:16:58 <krad> "Device Definitions" tab
Feb 27 12:17:05 <StingRay_> err
Feb 27 12:17:14 <StingRay_> no the ddms devices view
Feb 27 12:17:25 <krad> can i open it in eclipse?
Feb 27 12:17:40 <StingRay_> it is in eclipse
Feb 27 12:17:49 <StingRay_> part of the ddms perspective
Feb 27 12:17:53 <StingRay_> by default
Feb 27 12:18:32 <krad> i see it now
Feb 27 12:19:28 <callumtaylor> is there an android dev account which would be updated with the latest update from the GCM issue i can follow?
Feb 27 12:28:49 <DeviantPeer> hi all. Does anyone have any idea of how to pass arguments to a fragment in the layout xml file?
Feb 27 12:29:26 <DeviantPeer> the documentation on the Fragment class is not helping me much, and the example also doesn't help.
Feb 27 12:33:54 <lasserix> deviantpeer there is some method to get a fragment by id from fragmentmanager so you can instance your fragment defined in your xml
Feb 27 12:34:39 <DeviantPeer> lasserix: you got me loss now... I was thinking that I could just use the Fragment#getArguments()
Feb 27 12:34:50 <DeviantPeer> lasserix: or maybe overide the Fragment#onInflate...
Feb 27 12:38:02 <StingRay_> DeviantPeer: you can pass a bundle into an instance of your fragment
Feb 27 12:38:29 <StingRay_> if you have a method in the fragment that sets it and returns an instance of iteself
Feb 27 12:38:33 <StingRay_> itself
Feb 27 12:38:41 <StingRay_> ugh... I need more coffee
Feb 27 12:39:52 <DeviantPeer> :)
Feb 27 12:39:58 <DeviantPeer> I think I figured it out.
Feb 27 12:40:31 <DeviantPeer> overide the onInflate(...) then from the passed activity get the styled attributes.
Feb 27 12:42:02 <DeviantPeer> then we I guess we either construct whatever object we need or we set a argument with Fragment#setArguments(Bundle)
Feb 27 12:42:22 <DeviantPeer> had my head in a knot there for a while.
Feb 27 12:47:20 <hrnt> so... what is the "correct" way to implement search in a way that works both in 2.x and 4.x?
Feb 27 12:48:08 <hrnt> i currently have a "search" menu item with an action view specified in my menu XML. in onCreateOptionsMenu i set the searchable config etc. if SDK_VER >= 11. in onOptionsItemSelected i call onSearchRequested().
Feb 27 12:48:22 <hrnt> in my understanding this is what you are supposed to do (according to the docs)
Feb 27 12:48:47 <hrnt> however, when i try to search on a ICS phone, it now launches both the search dialog and expands the search action view
Feb 27 12:49:16 <squ> is it possible to have numbered parameters in sql query
Feb 27 12:50:02 <squ> like in java String.format("$1%d $1%d $2%d " , 1, 2)
Feb 27 13:16:14 <spobat> hey
Feb 27 13:16:37 <spobat> In google analytics, (on their website), where can I view my "custom sent events"?
Feb 27 13:16:49 <spobat> I mean those that I send via myTracker.sendEvent, like that: https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v2/events
Feb 27 13:17:34 <DanielBusan> hi guys.. I've finished my first app.. and now there are 2 other apps I want to write, and I have 2 local companies that want android/iPhone apps built for them as well.. so, I want to design my next app correctly, with proper architecture so that I can have a LOT of code re-use
Feb 27 13:17:52 <pierpark> You guys ever had a problem where if you're USBed up to your phone/device, you'll be developing and testing just fine but then after [x] amount of idle time (20 minutes? more sometimes)... the "USB debugging" and "Connected to USB as Media..." notifications disappear, etc... and the ONLY way to get re-connected to where you can use your device other than just charging, is to reboot the
Feb 27 13:17:53 <pierpark> computer, and bam.. soon as it gets to the reboot turn-around, USB debugging notification, etc., comes back. ??
Feb 27 13:18:02 <DanielBusan> can someone recommend some books, or websites that talk about good architecture for android apps? package organization, interfaces, security, Object Orientation, etc?
Feb 27 13:18:52 <pierpark> DanielBusan: Website... Android Development... Google's site. And learn Fragments. http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html <-- is the site and you can learn by following their tutorials.
Feb 27 13:19:38 <DanielBusan> great, thanks pierpark. I started my first app using an earlier android sdk that didnt have fragments. so if you recommend it, I will start with that now.
Feb 27 13:20:32 <pierpark> I started the not so great way, and I regret it... Learn fragments and you'll love yourself.
Feb 27 13:20:54 <Svelix> Hi,
Feb 27 13:20:54 <Svelix> I have a problem and hope sb here can help me.
Feb 27 13:20:54 <Svelix> I am trying to implement a GCM receiver and play a custom sound when a message is received. Showing the message works, but playing the sound does not.
Feb 27 13:20:54 <Svelix> I would prefer to put the sound file inside the assets folders, but this seems not work, so I did put it into the res/raw folder but this doesn't work either.
Feb 27 13:20:54 <Svelix> I can get a resource id by calling: int resId = resources.getIdentifier("foo", "raw", context.getPackageName());
Feb 27 13:20:55 <Svelix> But when I try to play the sound I always get a android.content.res.
Feb 27 13:20:55 <Svelix> Resources$NotFoundException: File res/raw/foo.mp3 from drawable resource ID #0x7f030002
Feb 27 13:20:56 <Svelix> Has anybody an idea what might be causing this error?
Feb 27 13:21:55 <DanielBusan> ok perfect. it sounds like we did the same thing. my first app, which is in testing now, has lots of technical components, location services, camera, ssl, local sql, server sql, push notification, etc. but the code i really dirty and it was really just to mess around and get stuff in as fast as possible.. i want to do it right the next time. as i envision creating a lot of apps for various
Feb 27 13:21:56 <DanielBusan> people.
Feb 27 13:22:37 <Svelix> pierpark: yes I have that issue sometimes, too
Feb 27 13:22:44 <pierpark> Yeah, you don't want to do that. Learn fragments, and you'll be set. Don't shortcut _anything_
Feb 27 13:23:02 <pierpark> Svelix: any fix, other than a reboot?
Feb 27 13:23:37 <Svelix> most times disconnection and reconnecting works, but when this doesnt work anymore…reboot
Feb 27 13:23:54 <pierpark> Svelix: you shouldn't be getting a drawable error for a sound file (I don't think..)
Feb 27 13:24:12 <pierpark> Definitely doesn't work on dis/reconnect. Need to reboot brb
Feb 27 13:24:39 <pierpark> and suffer through the windows update.. sigh.. brb
Feb 27 13:26:57 <spobat> where at the analytics site can I view the events I cause with sendEvent? https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v2/events#implementation
Feb 27 13:30:18 <DeviantPeer> what version of java run on android 2.1? 1.5?
Feb 27 13:30:47 <DeviantPeer> 'cause java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: java.lang.String.isEmpty
Feb 27 13:30:51 <DeviantPeer> :/
Feb 27 13:30:57 <p_l> DeviantPeer: 1.6
Feb 27 13:32:17 <DeviantPeer> how come string#isEmpty doesn't exist then?
Feb 27 13:34:09 <Svelix> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/String.html#isEmpty%28%29  Added in API Level 9 > so its available since 2.3
Feb 27 13:35:26 <Svelix> @DeviantPeer
Feb 27 13:36:18 <DeviantPeer> Svelix: thx. replacing all String#isEmpty with length > 0 :)
Feb 27 13:36:29 <DeviantPeer> although almost no one is using 2.1... but...
Feb 27 13:36:30 <DeviantPeer> well..
Feb 27 13:46:18 <squ> is it possible to create sqlite function ?
Feb 27 13:48:40 <devswap> are any of you guys web developers - if so what is the best editor you have found for android so that you can edit code on websites on the move
Feb 27 13:53:40 <squ> :)
Feb 27 13:54:49 <Svelix> devswap: vim
Feb 27 13:56:25 <callumtaylor> aide is pretty good
Feb 27 14:00:17 <devswap> svelix: thanks - was thinking something a little more user friendly than vim - choosing for an end user and not a techy
Feb 27 14:01:05 <root66> fyi the free aide wont let you save once your project reaches a certain size
Feb 27 14:01:11 <root66> but it's worth the money, honestly
Feb 27 14:02:10 <devswap> root66: i will investigate - thanks
Feb 27 14:02:13 <root66> if you get AppSales and put it on your watch list, you will find that it goes on sale pretty often
Feb 27 14:02:19 <Svelix> Nobody got an idea on my resource problem?
Feb 27 14:05:21 <kaneda^> morning
Feb 27 14:06:24 <root66> devswap: I actually just glossed over your question because callumtaylor recommended aide... aide is for android apps. for html/javascript check out DroidEdit
Feb 27 14:07:04 <kaneda^> hrm, question, why doesnt android have a javascript/html render in general views?
Feb 27 14:07:10 <root66> I don't think it supports ftp though, just dropbox and box
Feb 27 14:07:31 <kaneda^> it seems like since google has developed much faster js that should be supported everywhere ;p
Feb 27 14:08:05 <root66> not sure about the much faster js, but javasciprt in general is slow
Feb 27 14:08:14 <root66> *script
Feb 27 14:09:47 <kaneda^> root66, google's new js engine is much faster
Feb 27 14:09:54 <root66> cool
Feb 27 14:10:00 <root66> how new?
Feb 27 14:10:41 <kaneda^> V8 JavaScript engine
Feb 27 14:10:49 <Svelix> Thats not new..
Feb 27 14:10:54 <Svelix> but fast ;-)
Feb 27 14:10:54 <kaneda^> http://code.google.com/p/v8/
Feb 27 14:11:01 <callumtaylor> root66 aide can also do perl and stuff, it might not be best for html in terms of auto assist/syntax highlighting
Feb 27 14:11:02 <root66> is it already in chrome?
Feb 27 14:11:10 <callumtaylor> but i'll help with formatting and stuf
Feb 27 14:11:11 <kaneda^> it's already in chrome, yah
Feb 27 14:11:28 <kaneda^> callumtaylor, luckily html is so simple you never need a reference ;p
Feb 27 14:11:37 <callumtaylor> yeah :
Feb 27 14:11:38 <callumtaylor> :p
Feb 27 14:11:43 <root66> too bad, then, because I am already almost maxing one of my cores with my current project :)
Feb 27 14:12:04 <kaneda^> anywho, we dont have access to the V8 engine generally
Feb 27 14:12:17 <kaneda^> i want a layout that isnt a webview in which i can write arbitrary htmla nd javascript
Feb 27 14:12:21 <StingRay_> in sqlite is there a way to add a "grouped" count ?
Feb 27 14:12:25 <kaneda^> i know, it sounds like exploit heaven :D
Feb 27 14:12:25 <root66> android is behind on javascript and webkit
Feb 27 14:12:32 <kaneda^> erm, i dont think so
Feb 27 14:12:45 <kaneda^> ios just introduced their new js engine and it's ONLY in safari, not even in web vies
Feb 27 14:12:46 <kaneda^> views
Feb 27 14:12:48 <root66> like there is no webkit audio api on android
Feb 27 14:13:00 <root66> it's pretty weak
Feb 27 14:13:02 <kaneda^> erm, i thought that was all included in the HTML5 stuff?
Feb 27 14:13:06 <kaneda^> canvas and the like
Feb 27 14:13:25 <root66> it might support the <audio> tag but that is just one part of it
Feb 27 14:13:38 <root66> firefox supports that too but not the rest
Feb 27 14:13:43 <kaneda^> hmm, mobile is my first love, web is my second
Feb 27 14:13:46 <root66> chrome and safari (webkit browsers) are the only ones
Feb 27 14:13:56 <kaneda^> and safari blows
Feb 27 14:14:04 <root66> never used it
Feb 27 14:14:34 <p_l> kaneda^: HTML5 is an illusion
Feb 27 14:14:34 <kaneda^> for the last few years it's been the most exploitable browser
Feb 27 14:14:39 <kaneda^> p_l, life is but an illusion
Feb 27 14:14:58 <p_l> kaneda^: then consider HTML5 to be a really crappy one embedded several layers in
Feb 27 14:15:14 <kaneda^> i dont think it's REALLY crappy
Feb 27 14:15:16 <p_l> technically the only thing that really made it is the back-to-SGML syntax
Feb 27 14:15:33 <kaneda^> it cant be worse than basic HTML
Feb 27 14:15:50 <p_l> kaneda^: it can, because it promises more, then falls short ;)
Feb 27 14:16:21 <kaneda^> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we all know the RFC doesnt speak as to the final implementation necessarily ;p
Feb 27 14:16:29 <p_l> there's no RFC
Feb 27 14:16:36 <p_l> not since HTML 2.-0
Feb 27 14:16:37 <p_l> *2.0
Feb 27 14:16:37 <kaneda^> p_l, it was your fault for getting your hopes up
Feb 27 14:16:42 <kaneda^> ;)
Feb 27 14:17:08 <p_l> kaneda^: no, I'm just saving others from heartbreak, while working on piece of crap that has IE7 as required supported browser :>
Feb 27 14:17:12 <root66> I have faith in html5 and web audio
Feb 27 14:17:19 <root66> it will just take time
Feb 27 14:17:24 <root66> meanwhile at least chrome works
Feb 27 14:17:33 <ianliu> I'm trying to read SMS's from a specific number. Is there a portable and concise way of doing this?
Feb 27 14:18:00 <kaneda^> p_l, so you're blaming...IE7?
Feb 27 14:18:27 <root66> ianliu: you need a broadcast receiver
Feb 27 14:19:10 <ianliu> root66: even if I don't want to receive the event of a SMS? I just want to read the SMS's that are already there
Feb 27 14:19:28 <root66> oh
Feb 27 14:20:10 <root66> in that case you just need permission
Feb 27 14:20:37 <root66> READ_SMS
Feb 27 14:20:59 <ianliu> but what API should I use? I can see that android.telephony.SmsMessage has methods for retrieving information from messages, but how do I get a SmsMessage?
Feb 27 14:21:45 <StingRay_> ianliu: there is no direct api, you have to ask for the content
Feb 27 14:22:14 <StingRay_> content://sms  etc
Feb 27 14:22:16 <root66> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/848728/how-can-i-read-sms-messages-from-the-inbox-programmatically-in-android
Feb 27 14:24:57 <devswap> root66: sorry was afk - thanks for the suggestion - will try it out
Feb 27 14:25:22 <ianliu> root66: I've already read that link you sent me and the first comment on the solution is that this is not portable. Is this correct?
Feb 27 14:27:45 <aboudreault> can I put a file (database) myself in /data ?
Feb 27 14:27:57 <aboudreault> my file manager just reports me permission denied.
Feb 27 14:36:49 <xgear> Hello! I have trouble with DecelerateInterpolator. it starts even faster and ends evens slower. I cant force it don't start faster. Maybe someone had similar problem?
Feb 27 14:40:49 <StingRay_> erm thats what it's ment to do
Feb 27 14:40:52 <StingRay_> hence the name
Feb 27 14:41:12 <StingRay_> constant speed > decelerate (interpolator/smooth)
Feb 27 14:42:57 <StingRay_> maybe you want AccelerateDecelerateInterpolator
Feb 27 14:43:08 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 14:51:05 <root66> ianliu: I think their issue was with him using SMS_INBOX_CONTENT_URI
Feb 27 14:51:12 <root66> check out the second example
Feb 27 14:51:51 <root66> note that he misspelled getColumnName
Feb 27 14:55:57 <ianliu> root66: I see. Ok, thanks!
Feb 27 14:59:39 <callumtaylor> still no update on the GCM issue? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-gcm/EHZUTEJMeyw
Feb 27 15:02:52 <Chainfire> I'm trying to put a text next to a spinner, obviously I want the same test size. But for the life of me I can't seem to find the attr or style or whatever that defines the text size inside the spinner. Anyone ?
Feb 27 15:06:32 <StingRay_> Chainfire: does that not depend on the layout resource your using ?
Feb 27 15:06:40 <Chainfire> ok, of course now I ask I immediately find it, doh. ( @android:style/TextAppearance.Widget.TextView.SpinnerItem )
Feb 27 15:06:51 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 15:13:21 <musaulker> Hello. I need to show a content on a layout. It has some texts and some images but I want to have images clickable. Html.fromHtml method provides me showing some supported html tags including images. But is it possible to trigger click event on images shown from Html.fromHtml() method? (P.S. There can be more than 1 image on the content data)
Feb 27 15:15:35 <StingRay_> musaulker: is that using phonegap or something ?
Feb 27 15:15:45 <StingRay_> as in some web sdk thing ?
Feb 27 15:16:16 <musaulker> well its not in a webview
Feb 27 15:16:26 <musaulker> i need to show the content on the layout
Feb 27 15:16:35 <musaulker> but the data has some text parts and image parts
Feb 27 15:16:52 <musaulker> and some simple html tags that Html.fromHtml is enough normally
Feb 27 15:17:10 <musaulker> but there is another requirement that user can click the image and have it a zoom
Feb 27 15:17:31 <musaulker> so i know a webview can solve. but i'm concerning about performance.
Feb 27 15:17:39 <musaulker> because there will be lets say 200 content pages
Feb 27 15:17:47 <musaulker> also a view pager probably
Feb 27 15:18:17 <StingRay_> well if you can get some unique reference id from the html image
Feb 27 15:18:41 <StingRay_> you dont need an onclick
Feb 27 15:19:02 <StingRay_> you just need a method that accepts and deals with conditions of that passed value ?
Feb 27 15:19:39 <StingRay_> not sure about all the html stuff though... so no idea soz
Feb 27 15:20:23 <C0br4> is someone using the recent version of ACRA here?
Feb 27 15:27:08 <musaulker> @StingRay_ how can I get a reference for the image coming from Html.fromHtml() ?
Feb 27 15:27:14 <musaulker> StingRay_ how can I get a reference for the image coming from Html.fromHtml() ?
Feb 27 15:29:35 <clever> musaulker: rather then using Html.fromHtml, i just used SpannableStringBuilder directly in my app
Feb 27 15:29:55 <clever> the input wasnt html to begin with
Feb 27 15:30:13 <pierpark> Ah, what a morning...
Feb 27 15:33:09 <musaulker> clever : what about image click handling?
Feb 27 15:34:21 <clever> musaulker: ClickableSpan
Feb 27 15:35:08 <clever> musaulker: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/style/ImageSpan.html
Feb 27 15:35:20 <clever> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/style/ClickableSpan.html
Feb 27 15:35:31 <clever> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/SpannableStringBuilder.html
Feb 27 15:36:17 <musaulker> clever thanks i'm checking now
Feb 27 15:36:32 <musaulker> clever: what about performance? webview or clickablespans?
Feb 27 15:36:46 <clever> webview is likely to be much worse
Feb 27 15:37:07 <clever> and Html.fromHtml just parses the html and calls SpannableStringBuilder, so its going to be a bit worse
Feb 27 15:39:28 <musaulker> i understood. so let me check and try. thanks clever
Feb 27 15:39:48 <clever> i'm using it to render some bbcode to my app, for a chat window and forum
Feb 27 15:40:13 <clever> much simpler then converting bbcode->html->spannabbles
Feb 27 15:50:02 <XDS2010> what is the techical term developers use to describe UI responsiveness ?
Feb 27 15:50:13 <xorgate> butter :)
Feb 27 15:50:14 <XDS2010> I believe it starts with a V but not sure
Feb 27 15:50:28 <XDS2010> no the actual industry term
Feb 27 15:50:52 <XDS2010> I dont belive its vertex
Feb 27 15:51:31 <Chainfire> !jank
Feb 27 15:51:55 <kaneda^> XDS2010, UI responsiveness
Feb 27 15:52:01 <kaneda^> is the term we actually use here :D
Feb 27 15:52:10 <XDS2010> someone yelled at me once and said android would never get as good a ***** as iOS
Feb 27 15:52:26 <XDS2010> verticle vertex damn i wish i could remember
Feb 27 15:52:56 <XDS2010> something that sounds a little like aesthetics but its def. not that
Feb 27 15:52:56 <StingRay_> iOS covers up latency with spring,pre-charge ui stuff
Feb 27 15:53:02 <XDS2010> kinetics ?
Feb 27 15:53:09 <kaneda^> iOS covers up a lot of stuff, such as a lack of actual multitasking
Feb 27 15:53:28 <XDS2010> kaneda^:  StingRay_  yea they use burn in crap
Feb 27 15:53:29 <timroes> oh dear if I wouldn't have so much multitasking now
Feb 27 15:53:31 <XDS2010> i know
Feb 27 15:53:32 <timroes> what a heaven :D
Feb 27 15:53:48 <kaneda^> timroes, i'm jelly of the interface builder they have
Feb 27 15:53:49 <XDS2010> I think android has come a long way
Feb 27 15:54:04 <timroes> iOS?
Feb 27 15:54:05 <XDS2010> just wish i could think of the name
Feb 27 15:54:21 <XDS2010> :(
Feb 27 15:54:29 <StingRay_> XDS2010: there is just latency/responsiveness/reactive etc
Feb 27 15:54:32 <BullShark> android:textSize="45dp" android eclipse is suggesting i use sp instead of dp. what does sp mean?
Feb 27 15:54:35 <StingRay_> not all that important
Feb 27 15:54:44 <BullShark> hi StingRay_ =)
Feb 27 15:54:58 <XDS2010> its what describes the actual scrolling in the app launcher for verticle icon scrolling
Feb 27 15:55:03 <StingRay_> and the term will be usually different depending on the BOUND element of performance
Feb 27 15:55:12 <StingRay_> as in GPU/CPU bound
Feb 27 15:55:15 <XDS2010> i was able to fix the issue in gingerbread
Feb 27 15:55:24 <timroes> XDS2010: velocity? :D
Feb 27 15:55:36 <XDS2010> timroes:  that sounds VERY close
Feb 27 15:55:56 <timroes> velociraptor?
Feb 27 15:55:56 <XDS2010> velocity might be it
Feb 27 15:56:11 <Leeds> velodrome?
Feb 27 15:56:14 <XDS2010> no i think you are right it is velocity
Feb 27 15:56:21 <SimonVT> BullShark: Scale-independent pixels
Feb 27 15:56:27 <XDS2010> ok now question
Feb 27 15:56:31 <XDS2010> ...
Feb 27 15:56:41 <SimonVT> BullShark: It means the size is scaled by the users preferences
Feb 27 15:56:44 <XDS2010> is the nature touchwiz ux  open source ?
Feb 27 15:56:59 <BullShark> SimonVT -> ok, thanks
Feb 27 15:57:00 <StingRay_> you know a bullshark can actually trigger a biological fresh water and salt water switch ?
Feb 27 15:57:12 <StingRay_> quite amazing
Feb 27 15:57:16 <BullShark> lol
Feb 27 15:57:23 <XDS2010> and...
Feb 27 15:57:26 <Leeds> XDS2010: no, it is not
Feb 27 15:57:31 <XDS2010> is gingerbread still being worked on ?
Feb 27 15:57:35 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> oh, yes, it is true
Feb 27 15:57:37 <Leeds> XDS2010: no, it is not
Feb 27 15:57:45 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> they go into estuaries and up rivers
Feb 27 15:57:46 <XDS2010> :( :(
Feb 27 15:58:10 <XDS2010> Leeds:  i want to upgrade to the S3 Mini but i still think its just missing something
Feb 27 15:58:18 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> i would like to put one in an aquarium =)
Feb 27 15:58:19 <Leeds> goodness?
Feb 27 15:58:32 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> i have an aquarium but it is only 40 gallon, so i need baby shark.
Feb 27 15:58:38 <StingRay_> BullShark: not a good idea
Feb 27 15:58:44 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> i put some fresh water shark that do not get very big
Feb 27 15:58:57 <XDS2010> The S3 is great but its far to big for my wifes hands .And we swap phones a lot
Feb 27 15:58:57 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> i had 3 types of sharks already in my aquarium
Feb 27 15:59:05 <StingRay_> BullShark: in human terms we would consider that prison
Feb 27 15:59:20 <XDS2010> well not a lot but often enough
Feb 27 15:59:29 <Leeds> the S3 mini isn't actually a smaller S3, you know...
Feb 27 15:59:45 <XDS2010> Leeds:  no i didn't no . :(
Feb 27 15:59:51 <XDS2010> well that sucks
Feb 27 16:00:06 <XDS2010> so
Feb 27 16:00:14 <XDS2010> what phone should i look at then ?
Feb 27 16:00:17 <StingRay_> if the mini was a smaller s3 it would be fast as hell
Feb 27 16:00:26 <StingRay_> screen res is nothing almost
Feb 27 16:00:27 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 16:02:47 <cari> i'd go for the lg p880 4x hd,  its cheap at the moment
Feb 27 16:02:54 <cari> but its 4.7", too
Feb 27 16:02:58 <cari> too big for small hands
Feb 27 16:03:07 <XDS2010> whats the smallest touchwiz 4.0 nature UX phone out right now ?
Feb 27 16:04:23 <lov> XDS2010: you might want to go to #android
Feb 27 16:04:37 <XDS2010> or whichever touchwiz ux is the latest
Feb 27 16:04:49 <lov> touchwiz UI isn't really a -dev topic
Feb 27 16:04:55 <lov> (same goes for sharks or w/e)
Feb 27 16:05:04 <XDS2010> sharks ?
Feb 27 16:05:16 <lov> 10:59:04 < BullShark> StingRay_ -> i had 3 types of sharks already in my aquarium
Feb 27 16:07:22 <canadiancow> lov evanc fixed our bug!
Feb 27 16:08:17 <lov> canadiancow: I too get email
Feb 27 16:09:19 <canadiancow> it's possible to turn those off :P
Feb 27 16:09:32 <lov> and yet it's not possible to turn you off
Feb 27 16:09:41 <lov> WHY CAN'T I QUIT YOU CANADIANCOW
Feb 27 16:09:48 <canadiancow> :(
Feb 27 16:09:49 <canadiancow> </3
Feb 27 16:10:00 <kaneda^> lov, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more
Feb 27 16:10:00 <lov> I scarred ballsack you too
Feb 27 16:10:09 * kaneda^ runs, far and fast
Feb 27 16:10:32 <ollie> how can i set an inset shadow using paint on a view
Feb 27 16:14:56 <XDS2010> Leeds:  just saw a pic of the S3 mini compared to the S3 the mini is smaller
Feb 27 16:15:45 <Chainfire> its also a lot worse spec-wise
Feb 27 16:16:45 <spobat> lov, o.0
Feb 27 16:24:04 <selar1> Hey! Im struggling with a timepickerdialog. If the user presses the back "button" I want the timepickerdialog to go away. However, what it does is to invoke the onTimeSet listener
Feb 27 16:24:07 <selar1> I dont want that.
Feb 27 16:24:16 <selar1> What am I doing wrong? Been at this for 40min
Feb 27 16:24:19 <selar1> :/
Feb 27 16:24:30 <selar1> Works fine on android 2.2 not on android 4.2.2'
Feb 27 16:24:41 <xorgate> show your code
Feb 27 16:26:59 <mikedg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12031663/timepickerdialog-and-jelly-bean-ontimeset-fires-on-cancel
Feb 27 16:27:16 <mikedg> problem solved, if you are gonna use Google's OS, learn to Google
Feb 27 16:27:19 <callumtaylor> Still no update :( https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-gcm/EHZUTEJMeyw
Feb 27 16:28:47 <asturel> is it possible to show soft. keyboard without editfield?
Feb 27 16:29:14 <mikedg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7200281/programatically-hide-show-android-soft-keyboard
Feb 27 16:29:20 <asturel> i tried that, didnt worked
Feb 27 16:29:29 <asturel> http://pastebin.com/Xnx0fdeN
Feb 27 16:30:13 <mikedg> where is that snippet?
Feb 27 16:30:14 <asturel> hmm its a different thread :D
Feb 27 16:30:42 <lov> sweet, feel free to not show us all of the relevant code.
Feb 27 16:30:43 <mikedg> try it on the main thread
Feb 27 16:30:52 <selar1> mikedg: shit.... :)
Feb 27 16:30:58 <lov> er whoops wrong channel
Feb 27 16:31:21 <asturel> mikedg i trying to reimplement froyo longpressmenu feature what opened/closed keyboard
Feb 27 16:31:23 <mikedg> are you cheating on #dev
Feb 27 16:31:28 <selar1> mikedg: I mean I was unwilling to google for something that simple
Feb 27 16:31:55 <selar1> mikedg: then I googled on onCancel and ondissmiss and then I wrote here
Feb 27 16:32:00 <selar1> Kind of gave up
Feb 27 16:32:02 <selar1> :)
Feb 27 16:32:05 <mikedg> asturel: oh why? users really are not going to try that anymore
Feb 27 16:32:06 <selar1> thx anyways
Feb 27 16:32:45 <StingRay_> can ne1 tell me how to add a count() to cursor query that has GROUB BY, wanting to count items in the groups
Feb 27 16:33:14 <mikedg> StingRay_: are you using raw sql?
Feb 27 16:33:17 <StingRay_> no
Feb 27 16:33:45 <asturel> mikedg its very handy in some apps e.g. vnc
Feb 27 16:34:13 <mikedg> they tend to toss a button on the screen, i guess for power users its fine though
Feb 27 16:34:50 <asturel> in remotevnc i had to press menu -> keyboard, longpressmenu would be easier :D
Feb 27 16:35:26 <mikedg> thats fine, it shouldnt be the only way though
Feb 27 16:35:28 <asturel> but there is no way to open keyboard without input field?
Feb 27 16:35:37 <StingRay_> mikedg: only poss using raw query ?
Feb 27 16:35:58 <mikedg> StingRay_: i dont remember :) but i know how to do it that way
Feb 27 16:36:16 <mikedg> i think i set up views for my tables when i last needed to do that
Feb 27 16:36:52 <StingRay_> mikedg: an example of rawQuery may help, can always switch to that if needed
Feb 27 16:36:55 <asturel> yeah i dont want do that in android framework :D
Feb 27 16:44:48 <AlCapwn> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/IBinder.html#TWEET_TRANSACTION
Feb 27 16:44:51 <AlCapwn> har har
Feb 27 16:44:57 <AlCapwn> "Also, upon completing the dispatch, the object must make a cup of tea, return it to the caller, and exclaim "jolly good message old boy!". "
Feb 27 16:48:13 <evanc> AlCapwn: I hope that there's a CTS test for that
Feb 27 16:49:04 <canadiancow> :|
Feb 27 16:49:18 <AlCapwn> evanc: indeed, it would be a shame for all those tea bags to go unused
Feb 27 16:50:09 * mikedg gives AlCapwn a teabag
Feb 27 16:50:41 <AlCapwn> ^_^
Feb 27 16:51:03 <mikedg> 8
Feb 27 16:51:04 * AlCapwn sends mikedg an RPC request for biscuits
Feb 27 16:51:26 <H3bus> Does any of you uses Apache Cordova ? Do you think it is a good practive ?
Feb 27 16:51:58 <jdiez> hey guys, I was wondering what's the best way to update the UI about the progress of a task performed by an IntentService
Feb 27 16:51:58 <StingRay_> mikedg: would you use INNER JOIN to do a count on grouped ?
Feb 27 16:52:00 <Stummi> hi, a question to the signing strategies: Is it common to use on single certificate for signing multiple apps or one cert per app?
Feb 27 16:52:12 <jdiez> right now what I'm doing is sending broadcast intents every 200ms with the new information
Feb 27 16:52:17 <jdiez> was wondering if there was a better way
Feb 27 16:52:37 <AlCapwn> Stummi: use 1 per app, if you lose your cert, at least all your apps won't be fubar
Feb 27 16:52:46 <mikedg> StingRay_: a simple count(*) works
Feb 27 16:52:49 <StingRay_> jdiez: could bind to the service directly rather than intent
Feb 27 16:52:50 <mikedg> no need to get fancy
Feb 27 16:53:00 <mikedg>  mail me your cert
Feb 27 16:53:01 <mikedg> i wont lose it
Feb 27 16:53:11 <Stummi> :D
Feb 27 16:53:11 <jdiez> StingRay_: interesting, how would I do that?
Feb 27 16:53:32 <StingRay_> jdiez: read android docs on services
Feb 27 16:53:46 <StingRay_> can use a messenger binder etc
Feb 27 16:53:51 <Stummi> and the alias for the key should be something like "myappkey"?
Feb 27 16:54:16 <jdiez> StingRay_: the problem is that the intentservice is started by a broadcastreceiver when it gets a wifi supplicant change event
Feb 27 16:54:25 <jdiez> StingRay_: i.e the activity does not start the intentservice
Feb 27 16:54:53 <StingRay_> well you can start a service too
Feb 27 16:54:54 <evanc> Stummi: yes, and back them up in e.g. a Gmail to yourself with all the relevant data (keystore attached, passwords and alias in the email)
Feb 27 16:55:03 <StingRay_> and manage selfStop()
Feb 27 16:55:15 * evanc has forgotten a keystore's password once
Feb 27 16:55:32 <mikedg> my keystores passwords are all my birthdate
Feb 27 16:55:37 <Stummi> evanc, i think having the keystore and passwords on one place is a security issue
Feb 27 16:55:50 <bobsapp> mikedg: what format though :)
Feb 27 16:55:58 <mikedg> bobsapp: i forgot :(
Feb 27 16:55:58 <jdiez> StingRay_: can I bind to an intentservice that has been already started though?
Feb 27 16:56:02 <mikedg> yeah especially because if someone gets access to your gmail they can publish
Feb 27 16:56:10 <mikedg> dgMileage
Feb 27 16:56:17 <evanc> Stummi: if someone gets into my gmail account, I have far bigger problems than them getting my signing key
Feb 27 16:56:22 <StingRay_> jdiez you should just use a service if you want binding
Feb 27 16:56:24 <bobsapp> link related mike http://xkcd.com/1179
Feb 27 16:56:26 <mikedg> so set up an outlook.com account and mail it to that
Feb 27 16:56:46 <jdiez> StingRay_: but I don't think I want binding
Feb 27 16:56:58 <jdiez> I just want to be able to update the progress on the UI from the intentservice
Feb 27 16:56:59 <mikedg> jdiez: why dont you like bondage
Feb 27 16:57:01 <Stummi> i planned to get in the signing process later when my app is done. But cause i Need an maps v1 key i will do have claim one before i can't anymore :)
Feb 27 16:57:08 <jdiez> and broadcasting intents every so often seems hacky
Feb 27 16:57:16 <Stummi> *i will have to
Feb 27 16:57:22 <jdiez> mikedg: because the activity isn't starting the intentservice
Feb 27 16:57:23 <StingRay_> jdiez: hence why you bind to it :)
Feb 27 16:57:38 <jdiez> StingRay_: right, but can I bind to a running service?
Feb 27 16:57:54 <StingRay_> yeah
Feb 27 16:58:01 <jdiez> how would I do that?
Feb 27 16:58:04 <StingRay_> many things can bind to a running service
Feb 27 16:58:11 <StingRay_> read docs
Feb 27 16:58:25 <StingRay_> you can have AIDL interface or messenger ibinder
Feb 27 16:58:42 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
Feb 27 16:59:10 <jdiez> I see
Feb 27 16:59:16 <jdiez> is an intentservice suitable for this?
Feb 27 16:59:58 <mikedg> any service is
Feb 27 17:00:01 <mikedg> buttbrain
Feb 27 17:02:34 <jdiez> I see, so I can start the intentservice by sending it the normal intent and when I do bindService(intent), I will bind to it
Feb 27 17:02:35 <jdiez> right?
Feb 27 17:02:45 <mikedg> yes
Feb 27 17:03:03 <jdiez> what happens if I call bindService(intent) and the service is not running? will it be started for me?
Feb 27 17:03:10 <evanc> yes
Feb 27 17:03:10 <mikedg> yes
Feb 27 17:03:18 <jdiez> well, I don't want that...
Feb 27 17:03:27 <mikedg> why?
Feb 27 17:03:27 <jdiez> wait or do I
Feb 27 17:03:29 <jdiez> hmm
Feb 27 17:03:53 <jdiez> well, this service of mine is a network test
Feb 27 17:03:59 <jdiez> which, among other things, does a download test
Feb 27 17:04:06 <mikedg> just use public static final JSONObject shareableData;
Feb 27 17:04:06 <capella> so did this "Google Settings" thing show up an every device in the world?
Feb 27 17:04:12 <jdiez> it is usually started when the device connects to a wifi
Feb 27 17:04:17 <jdiez> but it can also be started manually
Feb 27 17:06:14 <SimonVT> Yeah the google settings app seems pointless
Feb 27 17:06:38 <capella> ick ... I hid it for now
Feb 27 17:07:12 <jdiez> ok, is there a way for me to know whether an intentservice has been already started?
Feb 27 17:07:42 <StingRay_> dammit still dont get this sql crap
Feb 27 17:07:49 <mikedg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7440473/android-how-to-check-if-the-intent-service-is-still-running-or-has-stopped-runni
Feb 27 17:07:57 <BullShark> MainActivity.java is not finding my button, R.id.b_add, why not? http://vpaste.net/15ipm
Feb 27 17:08:03 <jdiez> mikedg: thanks
Feb 27 17:08:08 <mikedg> that actually seems pretty terrible to me
Feb 27 17:08:14 <StingRay_> mikedg: how would I actually use count() to count items that where grouped by ?
Feb 27 17:08:15 <mikedg> but it accomplishes your shizzle i think
Feb 27 17:08:30 <mikedg> count should be the number in the groups, is it not?
Feb 27 17:08:43 <mikedg> select count(*) from noobs group by sex
Feb 27 17:08:54 <mikedg> would likely return number of males and number of females
Feb 27 17:08:58 <mikedg> no?
Feb 27 17:09:10 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> i gave you some videos with mysql basics
Feb 27 17:09:30 <BullShark> StingRay_ -> they teach group by, order by, select, insert, drop, etc etc
Feb 27 17:09:37 <BullShark> update
Feb 27 17:09:52 <evanc> mikedg: no, it would just return the same as "count(*) from NOOBS" because sex for all of them is 0
Feb 27 17:09:57 <evanc> http://instantrimshot.com/
Feb 27 17:10:44 <BullShark> Can I change my target platform after ive already created the project in eclipse?
Feb 27 17:11:06 <BullShark> it's 4.2 and i want 2.3.3
Feb 27 17:11:31 <jrr> yes
Feb 27 17:11:43 <SimonVT> You don't want 2.3.3
Feb 27 17:11:48 <SimonVT> Keep it at 4.2
Feb 27 17:16:15 <jiffe98> don't suppose it is possible to have an app run inside another app such an a launcher so that part of the launcher is still visible?
Feb 27 17:17:40 <MDijkstra> jiffe98: not without rooting, no
Feb 27 17:21:00 <mikedg> widgets
Feb 27 17:21:09 <StingRay_> can some1 confirm that I should look at INNER JOIN to count the items that were grouped in sqlite ?
Feb 27 17:21:19 <StingRay_> cause I'm getting nowhere in 2 hours
Feb 27 17:21:22 <StingRay_> not a good day
Feb 27 17:23:06 <mikedg> select id, count(type), details from supportContacts group by type
Feb 27 17:24:03 <BullShark> SimonVT -> 2.3.3 is about 48% of the users. 4.2 is a few with newest tablets =/
Feb 27 17:24:05 <mikedg> assuming http://sqlfiddle.com/#!2/214de/11 is correct
Feb 27 17:24:18 <SimonVT> BullShark: Build target != min sdk
Feb 27 17:25:36 <zhobbs> anyone know how to generate the merged androidmanifest with aapt when using "manifestmerger.enabled=true"?
Feb 27 17:26:11 <BullShark> SimonVT -> ok, that is the way i have it configured actually. but i am seeing my android.jar is for 4.2. how can using this work on a phone running 2.3.3?
Feb 27 17:26:35 <mikedg> just dont use anything thats not in 2.3.3
Feb 27 17:26:54 <BullShark> i see ok
Feb 27 17:33:41 <H3bus> Guys, do you know the quantity of data used for maintaining connection to GCM or C2DM ? My app uses GCM, and I would like to know if it uses much data, or not
Feb 27 17:33:58 <canadiancow> how many messages do you send?
Feb 27 17:34:01 <canadiancow> how big are those mesasges?
Feb 27 17:34:05 <H3bus> a few per day
Feb 27 17:34:13 <canadiancow> well considering the max payload size is 4KB
Feb 27 17:34:20 <H3bus> just little json notifications
Feb 27 17:34:22 <canadiancow> im sure you can do the math
Feb 27 17:34:38 <mikedg> sounds like a massive load
Feb 27 17:34:48 <mikedg> i don't think most women are going to like a massive load on their phone
Feb 27 17:35:04 <canadiancow> ~_~
Feb 27 17:35:08 <canadiancow> evanc ^^
Feb 27 17:35:21 <H3bus> sure, but i'm sure there is a connection socket that must remains open, to be able to send notification at all time (mikedg, lol thanks)
Feb 27 17:35:32 <canadiancow> but that's at the system level
Feb 27 17:35:35 <canadiancow> it has nothing to do with your app
Feb 27 17:35:36 <mikedg> H3bus: yeah but eveyrthing else on your phone is using it too
Feb 27 17:35:37 <canadiancow> it's there regardless
Feb 27 17:35:52 <mikedg> it all comes in with the same crap google uses for its apps
Feb 27 17:36:03 <mikedg> the overhead is next to nothing
Feb 27 17:36:26 <mikedg> google will start tossing your GCM messages before they become a user burden
Feb 27 17:36:33 <H3bus> Ok, i'll explain it otherwise, my project manager don't want to use GCM because according to him, it uses "too much data", what should I reply ?
Feb 27 17:36:41 <mikedg> now if you use a message as a trigger to download 16 meg files then it's a problem
Feb 27 17:36:53 <H3bus> no no, no download
Feb 27 17:37:03 <mikedg> H3bus: ask him where he got that information
Feb 27 17:37:06 <canadiancow> tell him he's wrong
Feb 27 17:37:13 <mikedg> and what he defines as so much data
Feb 27 17:37:19 <gru__> how do i get the screen position of a button?
Feb 27 17:37:32 <gru__> button.getX() doesn't exist in api level 8
Feb 27 17:37:38 <canadiancow> getLeft()
Feb 27 17:37:38 <mikedg> gru__: define screen position and why you ned that
Feb 27 17:37:41 <canadiancow> but that's relative to its parent
Feb 27 17:37:42 <H3bus> I knox he's wrong, but i need arguments, links, or any sources
Feb 27 17:37:45 <canadiancow> and what mikedg said
Feb 27 17:37:57 <gru__> i mean screen coordinates
Feb 27 17:38:00 <canadiancow> H3bus, quote me and mikedg
Feb 27 17:38:03 <canadiancow> :P
Feb 27 17:38:04 <mikedg> H3bus: hook up a network monitor
Feb 27 17:38:25 <mikedg> and send a message
Feb 27 17:38:26 <gru__> canadiancow: i mean screen coordinates, not parent coordinates
Feb 27 17:38:28 <H3bus> canadiancow: "according to two guys on an IRC chan..." yeah, ther goes my raise...
Feb 27 17:38:29 <gru__> is that possible?
Feb 27 17:38:43 <mikedg> gru, but why do you need that
Feb 27 17:39:13 <hwrd|work> Does anyone know where I can find a changelog for hte support library?
Feb 27 17:39:16 <gru__> because i have a round imagebutton and i want to check whether a motionevent occured within the borders of that button
Feb 27 17:39:23 <hwrd|work> Or is github the best answer?
Feb 27 17:39:39 <mikedg> started in that button?
Feb 27 17:39:44 <gru__> yes
Feb 27 17:39:51 <canadiancow> hwrd|work, on d.android.com
Feb 27 17:40:01 <H3bus> could I use wireshark to sniff traffic out of my phone, and see the amount of data in a day for instance ?
Feb 27 17:40:15 <canadiancow> http://developer.android.com/tools/extras/support-library.html
Feb 27 17:40:15 <mikedg> well thats easy
Feb 27 17:40:16 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: I don't see a… good one on http://developer.android.com/tools/extras/support-library.html
Feb 27 17:40:45 <hwrd|work> There are like 4 things, I'm sure other smaller priority/less intricate bugs were fixed?
Feb 27 17:40:55 <canadiancow> H3bus, http://developer.android.com/google/gcm/adv.html#collapsible
Feb 27 17:41:01 <canadiancow> aside from the payload limit, im not sure what to tell you
Feb 27 17:41:08 <canadiancow> you're talking about sending messages that are literally "this big"
Feb 27 17:41:20 <canadiancow> if your PM thinks that's too big... im not sure how to contradict that
Feb 27 17:41:47 <canadiancow> i mean that page lists exactly the format of the messages
Feb 27 17:41:51 <mikedg> just call imagebutton.setOnTouchListener(your motion event listener)
Feb 27 17:41:53 <canadiancow> and you know what content you're using
Feb 27 17:42:43 <mikedg> he has to have some misconception
Feb 27 17:42:47 <MDijkstra> H3bus: but it's very likely that the messages themselves will be a very small fraction of the data sent
Feb 27 17:42:50 <mikedg> or confusion or just doesnt understand
Feb 27 17:42:51 <MDijkstra> *received
Feb 27 17:43:50 <MDijkstra> H3bus: the transport is afaik XMPP, and login, setup is likely more than 100 messages if you keep them small
Feb 27 17:44:05 <canadiancow> i mean hell
Feb 27 17:44:05 <canadiancow> http://developer.android.com/google/gcm/index.html
Feb 27 17:44:05 <gru__> mikedg: i try now, thanks
Feb 27 17:44:09 <mikedg> k
Feb 27 17:44:10 <canadiancow> This could be a lightweight message telling your app there is new data to be fetched from the server (for instance, a movie uploaded by a friend), or it could be a message containing up to 4kb of payload data (so apps like instant messaging can consume the message directly).
Feb 27 17:44:16 <canadiancow> it's lightweight, or it's up to 4KB
Feb 27 17:44:24 <canadiancow> personally, i consider 4KB to be lightweight
Feb 27 17:44:28 <canadiancow> but... yeah
Feb 27 17:44:34 <jsherbakov> hi all, a question:
Feb 27 17:44:35 <jsherbakov> what is the process name for the "complete action using" dialogue in jellybean, the one which lets you specify handler application and set as default?
Feb 27 17:44:47 <canadiancow> process name?
Feb 27 17:44:54 <MDijkstra> but, I mean, if your PM is worried about data consumption, then any user who loads a webpage with the same connection will break the data limit tenfold
Feb 27 17:44:57 <canadiancow> its either the system process or your own process
Feb 27 17:45:10 <hwrd|work> For instance https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_support/commit/f30d5b705415175b017f3750e55a157c07d5ae41 hella fixes a bug, but its not in the release nots
Feb 27 17:45:12 <hwrd|work> *notes
Feb 27 17:45:42 <callumtaylor> canadiancow also if you like duplicate notifications :)
Feb 27 17:45:50 <jsherbakov> yea like com.my.process.na,me
Feb 27 17:45:59 <canadiancow> that's a package name
Feb 27 17:46:16 <canadiancow> and i dont know. try hierarchyviewer. it should tell you
Feb 27 17:46:21 <jsherbakov> nice
Feb 27 17:46:25 <canadiancow> hwrd|work, interesting
Feb 27 17:46:27 <jsherbakov> thanx bro
Feb 27 17:46:40 <birbeck> good morning
Feb 27 17:46:45 <mikedg> why are you looking for that
Feb 27 17:46:57 <mikedg> slapps by birbeck
Feb 27 17:47:12 <birbeck> slapps?
Feb 27 17:47:24 * mikedg slapps birbeck with a trout
Feb 27 17:47:32 * birbeck slapps mikedg around a bit with a large birbeck
Feb 27 17:47:36 <birbeck> you beat me to it
Feb 27 17:47:51 <H3bus> thank for your answers guys, really helpfull
Feb 27 17:48:20 <mikedg> no problem
Feb 27 17:48:30 <mikedg> i aim to please
Feb 27 17:48:31 <H3bus> but what i'm worried about is the amount of data used to maintain the connection with GCM servers, not the notifications themselves
Feb 27 17:48:45 <H3bus> because anyway, I have to retrieve data from a server
Feb 27 17:49:14 <mikedg> the conneciton is maintained regardless
Feb 27 17:49:18 <mikedg> your app doesnt change that
Feb 27 17:49:31 <H3bus> not if I don't use GCM
Feb 27 17:49:35 <MDijkstra> H3bus: but the device will keep a connection to GCM regardless of whether you use it
Feb 27 17:49:43 <H3bus> really ?
Feb 27 17:49:46 <mikedg> it's one connection for the entire device
Feb 27 17:49:48 <mikedg> not your app
Feb 27 17:49:53 <MDijkstra> H3bus: well, it depends on what you're doing exactly
Feb 27 17:50:18 <MDijkstra> but if it's on a phone then it's very likely at least one app uses GCM
Feb 27 17:50:23 <H3bus> MDijkstra: assuming that there is no google account logged on the device (these are company phones)
Feb 27 17:50:35 <MDijkstra> H3bus: ah, in that case probably not
Feb 27 17:50:36 <mikedg> H3bus: if theres no google account i dont think you can use gcm
Feb 27 17:50:43 <mikedg> i could be wrong though
Feb 27 17:50:51 <H3bus> yes, but I create a google account only to use GCM
Feb 27 17:51:17 <H3bus> youre right, since I use a custom version of android 4.0.3, I need a google account for GCM
Feb 27 17:51:19 <mikedg> oh it's not a requirement with ics+
Feb 27 17:51:26 <MDijkstra> H3bus: but if GCM were such a data hog you'd probably heard of it by now
Feb 27 17:51:37 <mikedg> 4.0.4 and above
Feb 27 17:51:38 <mikedg> woops
Feb 27 17:51:42 <canadiancow> gcm sends a ping like every 30 minutes or something like that
Feb 27 17:51:48 <MDijkstra> still, if you want to be absolutely sure connect the thing to wifi and run wireshark
Feb 27 17:51:51 <mikedg> H3bus: in that case, just try it and say
Feb 27 17:51:59 <canadiancow> ONE message payload is probably going to more than the daily overhead
Feb 27 17:52:23 <H3bus> canadiancow: ok, that is interesting, what is hat ping consists in ?
Feb 27 17:52:32 <canadiancow> i dont know
Feb 27 17:52:37 <mikedg> if it's a custom platform, i would use GCM
Feb 27 17:52:47 <mikedg> why tie yourself to google for no reason?
Feb 27 17:53:03 <mikedg> what if google starts refusing to support GCM on your version of android
Feb 27 17:53:06 <H3bus> mikedg: because right now we haven't found a better solution
Feb 27 17:53:08 <hwrd|work> Also looks like they didn't deploy the documentation updates.
Feb 27 17:53:11 <hwrd|work> For the support lib
Feb 27 17:53:13 <mikedg> roll your own?
Feb 27 17:53:17 <canadiancow> hwrd|work, where?
Feb 27 17:53:34 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: d.android.com
Feb 27 17:53:36 <H3bus> mikedg: too heavy to set up, and not much time
Feb 27 17:53:41 <canadiancow> i mean examples
Feb 27 17:53:50 <hwrd|work> https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_support/blob/master/v4/java/android/support/v4/widget/SlidingPaneLayout.java
Feb 27 17:53:51 <mikedg> urban airship maybe?
Feb 27 17:53:52 <H3bus> there are things lie parse.com that seems to works well
Feb 27 17:54:23 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: That does say experimental, but I don't see a "no-include in docs" in the class
Feb 27 17:55:00 <canadiancow> so the docs arent updated instantly
Feb 27 17:55:13 <canadiancow> im pretty sure the next time the docs are updated, anything in the support lib that isnt @hide will show up
Feb 27 17:55:50 <canadiancow> i see Android 4.2 r1 — 26 Feb 2013 6:25
Feb 27 17:55:54 <canadiancow> when did this support lib get released?
Feb 27 17:56:16 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: Dunno… it probably takes hours upon hours for them to deploy a docs change and have it show up in search etc etc
Feb 27 17:59:31 <SimonVT> Might have to do with SlidingPaneLayout not being part of the support lib yet
Feb 27 18:00:33 <mikedg> whats a slidingpainlayout?
Feb 27 18:01:03 <SimonVT> Panes you can slide
Feb 27 18:01:30 <canadiancow> in a layout
Feb 27 18:04:43 <hwrd|work> THey haven't event written a blog post about it yet… so I suspect when that happens everything will be kosher
Feb 27 18:05:07 <mikedg> why cant we already do that
Feb 27 18:06:26 <SimonVT> You probably can, if you pull it from the repo
Feb 27 18:06:35 <SimonVT> Or make your own layout
Feb 27 18:06:42 <canadiancow> oh so it's in aosp but not the support lib?
Feb 27 18:06:44 <SimonVT> It's not part of the support lib yet
Feb 27 18:06:49 <SimonVT> Bingo
Feb 27 18:06:59 <mikedg> support lib is for noobs
Feb 27 18:07:05 <hwrd|work> mikedg: what?
Feb 27 18:07:17 <hwrd|work> SimonVT: canadiancow This is kind of why I was looking for a real change log :-\
Feb 27 18:07:28 <canadiancow> well the change log is for RELEASES
Feb 27 18:07:36 <canadiancow> this hasnt been released :P
Feb 27 18:07:43 <mikedg> so somoene hacked it
Feb 27 18:07:47 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: Yeah, but I don't know what's been fixed and what hasn't.
Feb 27 18:07:54 <hwrd|work> and looking at the commits seem not to help
Feb 27 18:07:58 <canadiancow> oh yeah that other commit
Feb 27 18:07:59 <canadiancow> hmm
Feb 27 18:08:00 <canadiancow> dunno
Feb 27 18:08:05 <canadiancow> you could do a diff
Feb 27 18:10:06 <root66> feature request to keyboard devs: don't let it switch orientation if I am obviously in the middle of typing
Feb 27 18:10:13 <root66> is that possible?
Feb 27 18:10:21 <root66> for an input method to lock orientation?
Feb 27 18:10:43 <SimonVT> That'd be stupid
Feb 27 18:11:06 <root66> howso?
Feb 27 18:11:09 <SimonVT> So I can't click an edittext, switch to landscape, start typing
Feb 27 18:11:14 <root66> sure you can
Feb 27 18:11:49 <root66> but if you just typed a character less than 1 second ago it should at least pause and not switch instantly as if you were not typing
Feb 27 18:12:38 <root66> as long as you continue typing it keeps the current orientation. if yous top typing and you are still at that orientation it will finally switch
Feb 27 18:14:24 <SimonVT> Now you just need to implement that in a keyboard
Feb 27 18:14:40 <mikedg> why dont you just not rotate your phone while you are typing?
Feb 27 18:15:04 <dragorn> the phone has a pretty significant rotation delay anyhow, but I can see the utility of that.
Feb 27 18:15:29 <StingRay_> or just lock orientation of device when you have need of such a thing
Feb 27 18:15:41 <StingRay_> most of the time it's a 2 touches thing
Feb 27 18:15:42 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 18:16:47 * StingRay_ reminds himself to lock orientation when typing sms on any motion intensive fairground/themepark rides 
Feb 27 18:19:20 <mikedg> good idea
Feb 27 18:20:17 <root66> mikedg: it happens more when I am in bed looking up at my phone
Feb 27 18:20:29 <canadiancow> rotation lock!
Feb 27 18:20:46 <root66> I get it, but it happens at unexpected times. thats the whole point
Feb 27 18:21:06 <root66> it would be easier to make a concious effort every single time I type than it would be to lock/unlock rotation
Feb 27 18:21:09 <\monster\> anyone know what might be causing a WebView that's inside a Dialog not to focus on html input elements within the webview?  the webview itself looks to be focused and accepts touch since I can press buttons and checkboxes ..but can't get it to allow typing inside input fields
Feb 27 18:21:13 <root66> and the point is to eliminate that effort
Feb 27 18:21:23 <\monster\> this started happening as of JB ..its fine on earlier platforms
Feb 27 18:25:39 <the_jeebster> how do I properly destroy views in android? I have a webview and a button as subviews of a relative layout and I'd like to destroy the webview and button in the button's onClick function
Feb 27 18:26:39 <\monster\> hide them?
Feb 27 18:27:24 <\monster\>  setVisibility(View.GONE)
Feb 27 18:28:44 <the_jeebster> \monster\ actually I think what I need to do is stop the activity
Feb 27 18:28:59 <the_jeebster> these views belong to an activity and I'd like to destroy/end the activity when a button is clicked
Feb 27 18:29:49 <the_jeebster> is it simply calling finish() ?
Feb 27 18:30:07 <the_jeebster> nice
Feb 27 18:31:05 <dragorn> the_jeebster: yeah if you want to die you just call finish()
Feb 27 18:35:30 <Styler2go> Hey Guys! One little Question... whato do they mean with flag in this function? http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Base64.html#encode(byte[], int)
Feb 27 18:36:14 <dragorn> Styler2go: they mean a bitset of the flags listed in that table
Feb 27 18:36:37 <Styler2go> the constants, right?
Feb 27 18:37:30 <dragorn> since their descriptions refer to them as flags, i'd assume so yes
Feb 27 18:38:03 <Styler2go> so i think the simple defualt is what i need.. thanks! :)
Feb 27 18:39:52 <StingRay_> is it wise to cache row data in an adapter if that row on first appearance needs data operations ? save doing it everytime the view appears ?
Feb 27 18:40:21 <Bleeptech> Has anybody in here gone through the tutorials for HTTP file uploads?
Feb 27 18:40:56 <StingRay_>  Bleeptech "the" tutorials ?
Feb 27 18:41:28 <StingRay_> wasn't aware of any official ones
Feb 27 18:41:36 <xorgate> Styler2go you might notice the flags each have a power of 2 as their value. Common practice to stuff several booleans in 1 integer
Feb 27 18:41:57 <kbs> StingRay_: depends on the size of the cached data I suppose? I sometimes use an lrucache for things like this, rather than directly associating it with the view
Feb 27 18:43:02 <StingRay_> kbs: well I use weak ref lrucache for bitmaps and such, but thought that even 1000 rows of 10 x text values are not gonna break the bank
Feb 27 18:43:11 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Yeah, I found about a dozen of them and am having zero luck..
Feb 27 18:43:45 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: I have a php / apache mime multipart uploader that I did yesterday
Feb 27 18:44:00 <StingRay_> not finished cause I want progress
Feb 27 18:44:18 <StingRay_> but it uploads
Feb 27 18:44:30 <Konst> If you make $5 dollars under google ad-mob, do you have to report it toward taxes?
Feb 27 18:44:34 <StingRay_> more of a hassle was the php, cause I didn't know any :)
Feb 27 18:44:55 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Yeah, I found a progress-bar tutorial as well.. I figured I'd try it AFTER I actually get something to work. :)
Feb 27 18:45:09 <StingRay_> whats the prob at the moment ?
Feb 27 18:45:12 <pierpark> Can someone say my name like you are replying to me? Trying to test this alert code.
Feb 27 18:45:13 <StingRay_> or error rather
Feb 27 18:45:24 <StingRay_> pierpark: no
Feb 27 18:45:31 <StingRay_> pierpark: oh dammit
Feb 27 18:45:58 * StingRay_ slaps pierpark with a sword....in the face
Feb 27 18:45:59 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I know enough php to code/debug.. But the bits of java I learned are confusing the hell out of me in android.
Feb 27 18:46:09 <pierpark> Thanks it works lol
Feb 27 18:46:41 <StingRay_> Bleeptech:  you using the apache libs ?
Feb 27 18:46:44 <kbs> StingRay_: yep, small amounts of text doesn't seem to cause problems for me either; depending on your application [and if your adapter doesn't disappear on configuration changes etc.] caching in the adapter might be simplest. As before, I've found just using a non-ui related lrucache seems to work well for pure data.
Feb 27 18:46:47 <mikedg> Bleeptech: if you learned anything about GUIs or application architecture throw it all out
Feb 27 18:47:51 <Bleeptech> mikedg: I figured that out.. But I can't afford enough Stoli to get a compleat erasure.. :)
Feb 27 18:48:12 <pierpark> I am beyond fascinated with this swift key app..  Too bad it'd not open source
Feb 27 18:49:56 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I've got the http client/core libs that one of the tutorials called for. I'm on Eclipse/linux for dev.
Feb 27 18:50:40 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: well even though I'm not really a coder, I maybe able to help if you pastebin your java upload stuff, and any errors
Feb 27 18:50:52 <StingRay_> odds are yesterday I encountered them :)
Feb 27 18:52:02 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I haven't even got to the errors stage.. The one I'm trying to work from is   http://reecon.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/uploading-files-to-http-server-using-post-android-sdk/
Feb 27 18:53:58 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: as see i used the apache stuff like.... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1067655/how-to-upload-a-file-using-java-httpclient-library-working-with-php-strange-pr
Feb 27 18:54:44 <StingRay_> oh hang on, no not like that at all
Feb 27 18:54:45 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I've got a camera intent demo I started with and I'm trying to figure out how to add to/extend that..
Feb 27 18:55:20 <mikedg> ok what do you want to add
Feb 27 18:56:52 <Bleeptech> I'm basicly just learning what bits go where.. I want to add upload to the camera intent demo so I can then pick that apart and re-write it properly..
Feb 27 18:57:54 <Bleeptech> I think part of my problem is I've been using a hacked/rooted/overloaded DroidX for a dev brick.
Feb 27 18:58:47 <Bleeptech> And I'm getting the impression that MIUI is doing a hell of a lot more in the background than I think it should..
Feb 27 18:59:20 <Styler2go> is this correct json? ["ok", ""styler2go""]
Feb 27 19:00:42 <SimonVT> No
Feb 27 19:00:49 <pierpark> Nope
Feb 27 19:01:06 <Styler2go> will it need {} around it or whats wrong?
Feb 27 19:01:18 <evanc> you have extra ""
Feb 27 19:01:20 <SimonVT> ""
Feb 27 19:01:32 <SimonVT> Protip: google json lint
Feb 27 19:02:01 <Styler2go> ahrrrrg
Feb 27 19:02:05 <Styler2go> thanks guys
Feb 27 19:07:45 * pierpark has to recompile brb
Feb 27 19:34:31 <mikedg> #ifihadglass I'd host a bangout
Feb 27 19:36:42 <kbs> #ifihadglass and a spare 1.5k :-) i'd love to see qrcode-driven infocard/+1 buttons attached to real objects.
Feb 27 19:37:39 <canadiancow> mikedg, im going to hold you to that
Feb 27 19:39:15 <kaneda^> #ifihadglass you could all watch me programming with glass, so now you got glass in your glass son
Feb 27 19:40:02 <peroht> Ok, i'm pulling my hair here on a question i see several answers to. I've got two fragments (containing a custom listview/adapter and one dynamically populated detail fragment). The list fragment is populated on demand based on user interaction. I want the items to be highlighted upon click. I'm using setChoiseMode() and setItemChecked(). I have no checkboxes instead want the whole item background to highlight. I've looked at example from google where
Feb 27 19:40:02 <peroht> this works but with the android.R.layout.simple_list_item_activated_1. I do not know which attributes I need and what methods I need to implement (Checkable?)
Feb 27 19:40:36 <peroht> Thanks in advance for any help.
Feb 27 19:41:05 <peroht> setItemChecked() does not really "bite"...
Feb 27 19:41:54 <peroht> can one check/debug if the listview is actually "accepting" the call in some way?
Feb 27 19:44:08 <peroht> And I have not setup any resources file.
Feb 27 19:45:32 <StingRay_> peroht: stateList , ok, not sure what you mean accepting the call ?, ok
Feb 27 19:45:35 <peroht> i mean selector
Feb 27 19:45:54 <StingRay_> they were in order of your statements btw :)
Feb 27 19:46:11 <StingRay_> well your statements/questions
Feb 27 19:46:26 <peroht> StingRay_: by accept i mean when the code executes setItemChecked()
Feb 27 19:46:46 <peroht> StingRay_: :9 let me check my q with your answer
Feb 27 19:49:26 <peroht> StingRay_: so I'm missing statelist selector..
Feb 27 19:53:05 <Bleeptech> Well that was bloody annoying.. Whole neighborhood lost power for a while.. :(
Feb 27 19:55:12 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: did you manage to sort your uploader ?
Feb 27 19:57:33 <Bleeptech> Not yet.. Recovering from power outage and dealing with a 4-footed typist on the keyboard..
Feb 27 19:59:06 <An_Ony_Moose> I have eclipse installed with the android sdk. Is it possible to create a "clean" workspace where everything android will be disabled?
Feb 27 20:03:20 <lov> An_Ony_Moose: possibly, though I'm curious why.
Feb 27 20:03:35 <mikedg> #ifihadglass i'd be running an ebay auction
Feb 27 20:03:37 <timroes> ctate: perhaps you remeber, I got yesterday some problems with my android sources didn't seem to sync up anymore (mainly the platform/manifest project) now i recognized the manifest was all the time up to date, but it seems like some projects depend on some group (e.g. most of the tools projects depend on 'tools' and others on 'pdk'). Are these some groups I can add myself to it, so repo checks out these projects for me, or ar
Feb 27 20:05:31 <mikedg> ctate: perhaps you remember, my hamster got loosed in the channel yesterday. I have not received him back
Feb 27 20:09:25 <Styler2go> Is there a way to test if an app is installed and if not, redirect to the market?
Feb 27 20:09:47 <lov> sure, use PackageManager.
Feb 27 20:09:52 <An_Ony_Moose> lov: because for some reason, even if I create a normal java project, it tries to run it on my droid.
Feb 27 20:10:04 <lov> check the run configuration.
Feb 27 20:10:13 <lov> you're probably creating an Android run project or something weird.
Feb 27 20:16:00 <Styler2go> is there any good example for the hting iw ant to do?
Feb 27 20:16:37 <lov> You're using Google's OK. Learn to Google Search.
Feb 27 20:16:37 <mikedg> Styler2go: google.com will google that for you
Feb 27 20:16:41 <lov> s/OK/OS/
Feb 27 20:17:09 <mikedg> http://tinyurl.com/a3ycy5r
Feb 27 20:17:43 <Styler2go> bing :o
Feb 27 20:21:05 <mikedg> let me Bang that for you
Feb 27 20:21:32 <Styler2go> is a Package name case sensitiv?
Feb 27 20:22:38 <An_Ony_Moose> lov: it fixed itself somehow. Thanks anyway!
Feb 27 20:23:00 <mikedg> package names should be lowercase
Feb 27 20:23:32 <canadiancow> mine isnt :(
Feb 27 20:23:43 <mikedg> well thats because you are a bad developer
Feb 27 20:23:49 <canadiancow> :(
Feb 27 20:24:05 <mikedg> why did google even import you?
Feb 27 20:24:11 <canadiancow> i prefer COM.CANADIANCOW.APP
Feb 27 20:24:21 <mikedg> import canadiancow; pops up a deprecated warning in lint
Feb 27 20:24:46 <f2prateek_> can
Feb 27 20:24:52 <f2prateek_> whoops
Feb 27 20:24:54 * kaneda^ imports canadiancow, gets milk
Feb 27 20:25:00 <canadiancow> ...
Feb 27 20:25:06 <americancow> moo
Feb 27 20:25:10 <Ge0rG> canadiancow: why don't you use the .ca tld if you are a canadian? :P
Feb 27 20:25:18 <canadiancow> it was more expensive at the time?
Feb 27 20:25:21 <canadiancow> i have skennedy.ca
Feb 27 20:25:21 <americancow> Ge0rG: people are prejudiced against canadians
Feb 27 20:25:33 <canadiancow> mike change back
Feb 27 20:25:39 <canadiancow> ~_~
Feb 27 20:25:54 * kaneda^ owns myhugesite.com
Feb 27 20:26:05 <mikecow> what's an esite?
Feb 27 20:26:20 <canadiancow> is this like the rapist finder?
Feb 27 20:26:25 * Ge0rG owns many useless unpronounciable domains like op-co.de and free60.org
Feb 27 20:26:51 <kaneda^> Ge0rG, i also own asciifierapp.com myhugevault.com filterestapp.com
Feb 27 20:26:55 <mikecow> i used to own androidsexchange.net
Feb 27 20:27:06 <canadiancow> really?
Feb 27 20:27:07 <dmalice> hello everyone
Feb 27 20:27:10 <mikecow> yeah
Feb 27 20:27:20 <Ge0rG> mikecow: so, what do you do with a female android?
Feb 27 20:27:30 <mikecow> host a bangout
Feb 27 20:27:45 <dmalice> quick question regarding NDK stuff, is it possible for a method compiled in one .so to call methods compiled in another .so?
Feb 27 20:27:58 <kaneda^> dmalice, yes, and several posts have been written about it
Feb 27 20:28:01 <rymate1234> hi
Feb 27 20:28:13 <kaneda^> dmalice, it requires that you list it in the mk i believe
Feb 27 20:28:27 <cowboyMIKEDG> yeah, it has to be statically linked though i think
Feb 27 20:28:30 <rymate1234> How do I connect to a virtualbox android instance with eclipse
Feb 27 20:28:31 <rymate1234> ?
Feb 27 20:28:57 <canadiancow> i'd suggest asking that wherever you found out how to create a virtualbox android instance :P
Feb 27 20:29:10 <rymate1234> well
Feb 27 20:29:21 <cowboyMIKEDG> giddyup
Feb 27 20:29:22 <rymate1234> All I need to know is how to tell eclipse to connect to an IP
Feb 27 20:29:29 <cowboyMIKEDG> you dont
Feb 27 20:29:33 <cowboyMIKEDG> you tell ADB to connect to an ip
Feb 27 20:29:33 <Ge0rG> am I the only one who does not get the action mode icons on android 4.x text selection?
Feb 27 20:29:41 <rymate1234> ok
Feb 27 20:29:49 <rymate1234> how do I tell adb to connect to an IP then
Feb 27 20:29:54 <cowboyMIKEDG> adb connect ip
Feb 27 20:29:59 <rymate1234> thanks
Feb 27 20:30:00 <rymate1234> :D
Feb 27 20:30:08 <cowboyMIKEDG> let me bing that for you
Feb 27 20:30:12 <canadiancow> that makes sense
Feb 27 20:30:17 <kaneda^> bing bing bing, that's our WORD OF THE DAY
Feb 27 20:30:18 <canadiancow> you might have to enable that in the android isntance though
Feb 27 20:30:25 <kaneda^> cowboyMIKEDG, you just won a free internets!
Feb 27 20:30:32 <rymate1234> I think its enabled by default
Feb 27 20:31:03 <rymate1234> yay conected, thanks :D
Feb 27 20:31:12 <canadiancow> adb over wifi? probably shouldn't be enabled by default :P
Feb 27 20:31:17 <rymate1234> (didn't know it was that easy)
Feb 27 20:31:19 <canadiancow> s/wifi/IP/
Feb 27 20:31:19 <kaneda^> :D
Feb 27 20:31:23 <rymate1234> canadiancow, its a local IP address
Feb 27 20:31:38 <kaneda^> local to the NAT
Feb 27 20:32:02 <stowelly> hi, any idea what i need to include to share my project between pcs? ignored my metadata folder in git and then when i fetched it at work eclipse wouldnt import my android project, was fine before that, but obviously dont want all of metadata in source control
Feb 27 20:32:03 <rymate1234> ok good, eclipse is seeing it now
Feb 27 20:32:10 <canadiancow> git bisect bad
Feb 27 20:33:04 * rymate1234 lurks
Feb 27 20:33:05 <dmalice> I see kaneda,
Feb 27 20:33:17 <dmalice> I have a bit of a unique situation i guess, in that a 3rd party dev
Feb 27 20:33:34 <dmalice> built a .so which is supposed to call methods from a .so file that I compiled
Feb 27 20:34:18 <dmalice> The problem is, I now only have this .so file which he sent, and no notion of how he set up his make to link my so as a shared object, as he compiled his .so completely independently of mine
Feb 27 20:34:22 <kaneda^> dmalice, there's a few posts about this
Feb 27 20:34:35 <kaneda^> shouldnt be an issue
Feb 27 20:34:48 <dmalice> right, but i'm not trying to call his methods, he's trying to call mine, but I'm trying to build the project...know what i mean?
Feb 27 20:34:58 <jrr> did you give him a header?
Feb 27 20:35:11 <jrr> does the agreed-upon API pass around function pointers?
Feb 27 20:35:12 <dmalice> and i don't have his .mk, know how he setup the references, path, shared_library name etc.
Feb 27 20:35:15 <kaneda^> dmalice, you just need to include the library
Feb 27 20:36:29 <dmalice> kaneda^, doesn't HIS .mk file need to include my library? rather than the other way around? If his library is calling methods in mine?
Feb 27 20:36:37 <kaneda^> ofc
Feb 27 20:36:59 <dmalice> ok, that's what I suspected
Feb 27 20:37:41 <kaneda^> dmalice, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5669220/ndk-how-to-use-a-generated-so-library-in-another-project
Feb 27 20:40:07 <BadDesign> Anyone here uses in app purchases for Samsung Apps and does purchase verification on the server?
Feb 27 20:40:57 <dmalice> right, I saw that, but my situation is somewhat different with the prebuilt library requiring methods from my own built library (which really doesn't make sense and I have no idea why the work breakdown shook out this way)
Feb 27 20:41:20 <kaneda^> dmalice, let me put it this way, HE should read that post, YOU  should package his lib
Feb 27 20:41:35 <dmalice> haha yes, i guess that about sums it up =)
Feb 27 20:41:41 <dmalice> thanks for the clarification
Feb 27 20:53:27 <gru__> someone knows how to fakedrag through _multiple_ pages in a viewpager?
Feb 27 20:54:11 <Ge0rG> heh; carouselexample from io2011 sig11s on cm10.1
Feb 27 20:56:00 <cowboyMIKEDG> release my own version of an open source app and i remove internet permission
Feb 27 20:56:11 <cowboyMIKEDG> stupid user leaves a 1* comment asking how they can sure im not stealing their data
Feb 27 20:56:13 <canadiancow> ?
Feb 27 20:56:14 <cowboyMIKEDG> fucking twits
Feb 27 20:56:18 <canadiancow> lolol
Feb 27 20:56:57 <canadiancow> to be fair, ACTION_VIEW with http://www.mikedg.com/upload?allthedata=123456789
Feb 27 20:58:20 <cowboyMIKEDG> i cant beleive that hasnt leaked out in some overblown androidpolice blog post
Feb 27 20:59:16 <kaneda^> oooh mikedgjunk.com
Feb 27 21:00:07 <cowboyMIKEDG> fuck
Feb 27 21:00:22 * cowboyMIKEDG whips canadiancow
Feb 27 21:00:34 <lov> Firefox can't find the server at www.mikedgjunk.com.
Feb 27 21:00:37 <lov> thanks kaneda^
Feb 27 21:00:40 <lov> jerk
Feb 27 21:00:49 <evanc> lov: why are you using firefox?
Feb 27 21:00:49 <kaneda^> he's got junk in the trunk lov, if only you could find it
Feb 27 21:01:08 <kaneda^> lov, and joke #2, your browser couldnt resolve all that junk
Feb 27 21:01:14 <SimonVT> Why are you looking at mikedg's junk
Feb 27 21:01:18 <lov> evanc: It's preinstalled on this machine and I'm too lazy to install chrome.
Feb 27 21:01:27 <cowboyMIKEDG> firefox is for noobs
Feb 27 21:01:39 * cowboyMIKEDG whips lov
Feb 27 21:02:20 <stummi> hi. I want to make an "detail activity": An Page which just displays some informations with the information name and the value. There are multiple Value-Types like short text, long text, link, location, so i want to have an possibility to extend the values with buttons or so to open that information in the browser, map, whatever. A bit like the contact viewer. Is there already something ready-to-use for this?
Feb 27 21:04:39 <cowboyMIKEDG> ?
Feb 27 21:04:46 <cowboyMIKEDG> stummi: can you explain in dummese
Feb 27 21:06:52 <nug700> "ScrollView can host only one direct child". does that mean I can only have 1 linearLayout in a scrollview?
Feb 27 21:07:17 <kaneda^> cowboyMIKEDG, someone's got glasses, GIVE ME NAO
Feb 27 21:07:22 <cowboyMIKEDG> nug700: yes
Feb 27 21:08:08 <ShaneN> Are the screens in settings with info (About Phone -> Android version for example) using just a standard list view with a custom item template, or is there a specific view that produces that result? I need a view that lists data in a similar way
Feb 27 21:08:27 <cowboyMIKEDG> ShaneN: yes
Feb 27 21:08:57 <ShaneN> cowboyMIKEDG: Ok, thanks!
Feb 27 21:10:11 <cowboyMIKEDG> np
Feb 27 21:10:38 <stummi> cowboyMIKEDG, if you view an contact on android with the default app, there are clickable icons besides some values (an browser-icon besides the website, an phone and sms icon besides the number, an maps and navigate icon besides the address). I want to use if this (information name + value + button row) exists as an "ready to use" element/view anywhere
Feb 27 21:10:54 <cowboyMIKEDG> oh
Feb 27 21:11:35 <cowboyMIKEDG> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/ContactsContract.QuickContact.html ?
Feb 27 21:12:42 <stummi> no, i want to build an own activity to show the details of an completly other object, but i want to do this in the style of the contact view
Feb 27 21:15:29 <cowboyMIKEDG> oh no
Feb 27 21:16:22 <kaneda^> cowboyMIKEDG, i bet you live in quebec
Feb 27 21:16:32 <cowboyMIKEDG> no
Feb 27 21:16:46 <kaneda^> quebecer
Feb 27 21:20:29 <lov> quebecuois
Feb 27 21:20:34 <lov> quebecois?
Feb 27 21:20:37 <lov> q-bert
Feb 27 21:20:39 <lov> yes
Feb 27 21:20:58 <kaneda^> lov, talkin to yourself again?
Feb 27 21:21:32 <kaneda^> oh yah, that's cool
Feb 27 21:23:34 <canadianMIKEDG> what sound do canadians make?
Feb 27 21:23:41 <kaneda^> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh?
Feb 27 21:25:19 <canakedanMIKEDG> i love it
Feb 27 21:30:30 <peroht> StingRay_: ok, got some progress, now getting android:state_pressed working. But not state_checked/state_checkable. Do i need some extra attributes/methods from interface?
Feb 27 21:31:06 <peroht> StingRay_: i've tried with android:checkable="tru" in the xml layout without success.
Feb 27 21:31:49 <peroht> StingRay_: I watched an io-movie that had some attribute for forcing the background to be drawn on front (or something similar)...
Feb 27 21:32:47 <Quacked> hey
Feb 27 21:32:57 <kaneda^> moooooooooooooooooo
Feb 27 21:33:38 <Quacked> is it possible to have subsettings when using only the simple settings.xml for PreferenceActivity? I mean a checkbox that enables another preference setting underneath
Feb 27 21:34:15 <canadiancow> yes
Feb 27 21:34:19 <canadiancow> android:dependency
Feb 27 21:36:07 <matt9_> is there a general best practice for what the minimum text size I should not go below is?
Feb 27 21:36:38 <Quacked> canadiancow: thanks
Feb 27 21:37:02 <Quacked> canadiancow: couldnt find the proper search string in google for that :)
Feb 27 21:37:19 <canadiancow> you should read the docs for Preference
Feb 27 21:37:23 <timroes> canadiancow: perhaps you know (and remembe) I had yesterday problems with m y repo command, that didn't want to sync every new project anymore (so platform/manifest project didn't seem to sync). Looked now it synces and recognized in .repo/manifest.xml there are groups defined (e.g. tools, pdk) for several projects. I assume you need to "be in that" groups to sync these projects. Are these anyhow groups you can yourself assign
Feb 27 21:37:43 <Quacked> yeah
Feb 27 21:38:00 <canadiancow> timroes, i dont know?
Feb 27 21:38:07 <Quacked> btw, possible to have make that subsetting "tabbed"? Further to the right I mean
Feb 27 21:38:09 <canadiancow> you should be able to sync all of aosp without anything special
Feb 27 21:38:09 <timroes> sad :(
Feb 27 21:38:30 <timroes> <project path="tools/build" name="platform/tools/build" groups="notdefault,tools" /> frmo manfiest.xml for repo
Feb 27 21:38:47 <timroes> so `repo list` doesn't show that repo, its not synced, tools/build doesn't exist for me
Feb 27 21:38:48 <peroht> StingRay_: sorted it out, android:state_activated corresponds to setItemChecked()... not intuitive in my noob-brain :)
Feb 27 21:38:53 <peroht> StingRay_: thanks for pointers.
Feb 27 21:39:01 <timroes> thought you might now somethign about that gruop stuff :)
Feb 27 21:39:13 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Got a minute or 10?
Feb 27 21:40:17 * Bleeptech found where all the code bits came from and would like a few tips on integrating them..
Feb 27 21:42:12 <StingRay_> back ish
Feb 27 21:42:17 <StingRay_> almost bed time though
Feb 27 21:42:42 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: still got probs ?
Feb 27 21:43:27 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I found the page for the camera intent demo again.
Feb 27 21:43:28 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: btw I used the apache http-mime-4.1 lib
Feb 27 21:43:30 <Bleeptech> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/app-builder/androids-camera-intent-makes-taking-pics-a-snap/1559
Feb 27 21:44:45 <Bleeptech> and this is the upload code I'm looking at.
Feb 27 21:44:49 <Bleeptech> http://reecon.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/uploading-files-to-http-server-using-post-android-sdk/
Feb 27 21:46:07 <timroes> okay figured it out... "repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest -g all,-notdefault,tools" you have to define the gruops with repo init you want to sync
Feb 27 21:46:33 <Bleeptech> For now I just want to figure out how to merge the upload func into the camera demo.
Feb 27 21:47:09 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: ah no specific problems then ?
Feb 27 21:47:13 <StingRay_> just learning I guess
Feb 27 21:48:17 <bear_> There's a lot of old names/paths for stuff in text and screenshots on this page: http://developer.android.com/google/play/licensing/setting-up.html Is there a place to report it? Should you use b.android.com for documentation "bugs" as well?
Feb 27 21:48:29 <canadiancow> yes
Feb 27 21:48:35 <canadiancow> or you can fix them in aosp :)
Feb 27 21:49:02 <Bleeptech> Main problem is I learned ASM, BASIC, Lisp, Pascal, C, and Java over the years and I'm lost with this stuff.. LOL
Feb 27 21:49:37 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: you been though all the learning stuff ?
Feb 27 21:50:51 <Bleeptech> I cant even figure out where to patch this in to start debugging.. I know it ends up in "src" or assets"..
Feb 27 21:50:56 * capella still trying to forget my cobol...
Feb 27 21:51:22 <StingRay_> Bleeptech:  you been though http://developer.android.com/training/index.html ?
Feb 27 21:51:56 <Bleeptech> capella: Better that than BrainF*ck.. I never did learn to program in Playstation cheats.. :)
Feb 27 21:52:42 <capella> and RPG II .... don't even get me started on that IBM contrive-ation
Feb 27 21:52:48 <canadiancow> timroes, pretty sure you dont need to do that
Feb 27 21:52:51 <canadiancow> i've never used -g
Feb 27 21:53:03 <timroes> canadiancow: do you have the tools checked out?
Feb 27 21:53:10 <timroes> because i hadn't /tools/build folder beforehand
Feb 27 21:53:18 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Looking through it now.
Feb 27 21:53:29 <canadiancow> i do not have tools/build
Feb 27 21:53:33 <timroes> yeah :)
Feb 27 21:53:38 <timroes> that was my problem before, and i searched it :D
Feb 27 21:53:44 <canadiancow> curious
Feb 27 21:53:54 * canadiancow syncs his aosp repo
Feb 27 21:53:55 <timroes> (ofc you don't need it for android compiling, but i wanted to have a look at something in it)
Feb 27 21:54:00 <timroes> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest/+/master/default.xml
Feb 27 21:54:16 <timroes> there are a lot of projects in the repo manifest tagged with groups="notdefault"
Feb 27 21:54:27 <timroes> all these aren't checked out unless you give init the -g option
Feb 27 21:54:49 <timroes> so i guess you only have tools/external/fat32lib ? :)
Feb 27 21:55:52 <canadiancow> looks like it
Feb 27 21:58:12 <timroes> canadiancow: that somehow not pretty well documented in my opinion. It was explained on the gradle tool side: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system what luckily was anyway the page I was on, since i was looking into the new gradle stuff :)
Feb 27 22:12:55 <\monster\> someone changed in JB dialog or webview which is causing webview html input text fields not editable ..anyone know anything about this?
Feb 27 22:13:04 <\monster\> I can't find a solution
Feb 27 22:13:24 <\monster\> WebView inside a Dialog  ..no keyboard pops up when touching input elemnts
Feb 27 22:38:14 <Belacan> Yello
Feb 27 22:38:59 <Belacan> where can i store variables between activities, say between my main activity and a settings activity where you can change variables?
Feb 27 22:40:42 <StingRay_> Belacan: in a bundle ?
Feb 27 22:41:07 <StingRay_> depends what type of data, small things just put them in a bundle saveInstanceState
Feb 27 22:41:10 <Belacan> is that the only way?
Feb 27 22:41:16 <StingRay_> well no
Feb 27 22:41:22 <StingRay_> but it depends on the data
Feb 27 22:42:00 <StingRay_> but bundle extras into the intent is how it's supposed to work
Feb 27 22:42:04 <Belacan> Yeah they're small variables generally, however it would be helpful if other classes could acess this data too
Feb 27 22:42:50 <StingRay_> service if you want to dish/cache data for all
Feb 27 22:43:06 <Belacan> yeah that sounds like the right thing
Feb 27 22:44:05 <Belacan> StingRay_: thanks!
Feb 27 22:48:55 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I love it.. Made it to the fourth page of the tut and "WHAM!" What they have and what I ended up with are totally different.. LOL
Feb 27 22:52:16 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: sure you'll get there
Feb 27 22:52:21 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 22:54:13 <g00s> did Sergey just give us a roadmap for Android? "Sergey Brin on the touchscreen: 'it's kind of emasculating'"
Feb 27 22:56:03 <kaneda^> g00s, link?
Feb 27 22:56:39 <g00s> kaneda^: http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/27/4036366/sergey-brin-at-ted-the-cell-phone-is-a-nervous-habit
Feb 27 22:57:56 <xorgate> looks like he had a rough night
Feb 27 22:58:10 <g00s> maybe he slept with Glasses on XD
Feb 27 22:59:03 <StingRay_> should I always close() cursors onPause when wanting to read the same db from another activity ?
Feb 27 22:59:14 <StingRay_> or is it fine to leave open ?
Feb 27 22:59:54 <g00s> StingRay_: its convenient to led Loaders take care of that
Feb 27 22:59:59 <g00s> *let
Feb 27 23:00:09 <StingRay_> 2.3 ?
Feb 27 23:00:15 <g00s> yeah?
Feb 27 23:00:20 <kaneda^> g00s, future of google sans touch screen?
Feb 27 23:00:48 <StingRay_> g00s: I read they were 3.0 and up
Feb 27 23:00:55 <g00s> StingRay_: support lib
Feb 27 23:01:04 <StingRay_> ok sweet
Feb 27 23:02:51 <Belacan> StingRay_: how about Shared Preferences?
Feb 27 23:03:14 <Belacan> Is that a suitable way to store data between activities?
Feb 27 23:03:24 <StingRay_> Belacan: well thats more for settings, or application killed states
Feb 27 23:03:56 <jiffe98> why would setting '<uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="5" />' in the manifest change how the app works?  I'm playing with the home sample and it complains about the version needing to be 5, without the min version set it sets the backtground to black, with it set it doesn't
Feb 27 23:04:00 <Belacan> right so anything stored there will be more permanent?
Feb 27 23:04:06 <StingRay_> yes
Feb 27 23:04:13 <StingRay_> file based
Feb 27 23:04:24 <StingRay_> xml no less
Feb 27 23:04:26 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 23:05:31 <jiffe98> I thought setting minSdkVersion was just a check
Feb 27 23:05:58 <Ge0rG> there are different compatibility workarounds depending on minSdkVersion
Feb 27 23:06:54 <jiffe98> gotcha
Feb 27 23:10:22 <StingRay_> hmm loaders seem like an idea that should be there since 1
Feb 27 23:10:26 <StingRay_> :)
Feb 27 23:18:15 <JakeWharton> functionality is also enabled with minSdkVersion and targetSdkVersion
Feb 27 23:18:31 <JakeWharton> your targetSdkVersion should always be the latest version, in all likelihood
Feb 27 23:19:26 <tona> how can i add color to my application , i am using many textedit, but i want to use color but i dont know how can i integrate colorful to my application any help will be welcome
Feb 27 23:19:55 <g00s> import color.*;
Feb 27 23:20:02 <g00s> … profit !
Feb 27 23:21:55 <tona> ok i import color.* but how can i add color textedit label ... spinner etc...
Feb 27 23:25:36 <canadiancow> set its background
Feb 27 23:25:38 <canadiancow> or textcolor
Feb 27 23:25:39 <canadiancow> or...
Feb 27 23:26:25 <tona> ok do you have one example , i am realy new with it please
Feb 27 23:28:43 <Bleeptech> ARGH!.. Now the code is throwing errors in Eclipse...
Feb 27 23:32:16 <canadiancow> tona, there are a ton of examples on d.android.com
Feb 27 23:35:12 <Bleeptech> canadiancow: Written for which version of the SDK and Eclipse? (Old example or tutorial + New Eclipse/SDK == WTF Did I do wrong???)
Feb 27 23:36:05 <canadiancow> huh?
Feb 27 23:36:22 <Bleeptech> I've been having the same problem with most of the demo code.. I'm on API-17 and it was written for API-5
Feb 27 23:36:45 <canadiancow> i dont really know what you're talking about
Feb 27 23:37:45 <Bleeptech> canadiancow: I'm having hell with the training tutorials just due to the age of the tutorial and the updates in the IDE.
Feb 27 23:37:58 <timroes> o.O
Feb 27 23:38:31 <timroes> are we talking about d.android.com/tranings?
Feb 27 23:39:02 <timroes> because that trainings are aiming for pretty new versions, so 50% of android devices couldn't even use full functionallity of the examples?
Feb 27 23:39:15 <Bleeptech> It's gonna royally suck if I have to go back down to Fedora 14 or so to get the old versions of Eclipse and the libraries..
Feb 27 23:39:53 <Bleeptech> timroes: Yeah, I'm on the 4'th page of the getting started and the code they provide is throwing errors..
Feb 27 23:40:03 <timroes> link to the page?
Feb 27 23:40:19 <Bleeptech> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Feb 27 23:40:28 <timroes> what is throwing an error?
Feb 27 23:40:30 <timroes> what part
Feb 27 23:42:45 <Bleeptech> Went through the steps they give down to running the app.. I'm getting errors on SuppressLint / Intent / All kinds of crap.
Feb 27 23:43:13 <timroes> Bleeptech: in fact i did the tutorial with students some days ago on newest version of everythign and it works fine if you do it the way described there
Feb 27 23:43:33 <timroes> I assume you have missed some steps
Feb 27 23:43:44 <timroes> but without a bit more detailed error messages its hard to tell what steps
Feb 27 23:44:56 <Bleeptech> Hmmm.. OK.. Time for me to back off for 10.. Cool off because I'm still hacked at the power company for playing yo-yo earlier.. and then start over and re-trace all teh steps..
Feb 27 23:45:30 <timroes> canadiancow: okay, I neither get what he is talking about :D
Feb 27 23:46:04 <timroes> anyway, i am off, good night and see you tomorrow
Feb 28 00:11:23 <agy2154> hey guys I wanted to use android:textIsSelectable and a few other things which arn't available in api level 8. Can i bump it up to 10 without doing anything simply by changing it in my manifest?
Feb 28 00:17:47 <agy2154> Wow. I tried the API to test it out  and it screwed up all my Ids
Feb 28 00:25:03 <Bleeptech> OK.. I think I figured out my brainfart.. It's the auto-imports CTRL-SHIFT-O that I missed..
Feb 28 00:25:13 <Quacked> How do you get dependency with indentation like shown here? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5757012/custom-preference-targetsdkversion-11-missing-indent
Feb 28 00:25:23 <Quacked> I couldnt make any sense of whats written on that site either
Feb 28 00:26:17 <the_jeebster> so no verizon for nexus 4 eh :(
Feb 28 00:29:03 <kaneda^> evening
Feb 28 00:29:50 <evanc> Quacked: the top answer sounds accurate
Feb 28 00:35:30 <osxorgate> suppose i have a fragment that retains instance. I start an asynctask that reports progress back to the fragment. Now I rotate the device, triggering a recreation of the view. Several of the lifecycle methods are called. What if say during onCreateView the task finishes, when does onPostExecute get called?
Feb 28 00:37:31 <kaneda^> osxorgate...ohai mike
Feb 28 00:37:45 <osxorgate> que?
Feb 28 00:37:59 <kaneda^> nvm, thought you were someone else
Feb 28 00:38:45 <agy2154> what is the minimum api for android:textIsSelectable="true"?
Feb 28 00:38:55 <agy2154> is there any alternative i can use for  a lower API
Feb 28 00:39:02 <agy2154> I don't want to set an onhold
Feb 28 01:01:37 <g00s> the N1 used in NASAs phoneSat program - was any of this radiation hardened ?
Feb 28 01:02:21 <SpeedEvil> no
Feb 28 01:02:29 <SpeedEvil> basically, you can't
Feb 28 01:02:53 <SpeedEvil> most of the chips are not available in rad hard versions
Feb 28 01:03:22 <g00s> yeah , so how can this work :/
Feb 28 01:03:25 <SpeedEvil> there will be a significant increase in 'flakiness'
Feb 28 01:03:53 <SpeedEvil> random single event upsets, which may lead to corruption, bit errors, or reboots
Feb 28 01:04:04 <SpeedEvil> and it may not last very long
Feb 28 01:04:33 <SpeedEvil> the radiation environment in very low orbit is fairly mild in many cases,
Feb 28 01:05:21 <SpeedEvil> ##electronics too
Feb 28 01:06:38 <JesusFreke> A lead box? :)
Feb 28 01:06:49 <Nemanjaa> hi all
Feb 28 01:06:50 <JesusFreke> A really thick lead box :)
Feb 28 01:07:06 <Nemanjaa> i have problem with ecoding on aplication
Feb 28 01:07:27 <Nemanjaa> text i god ... but header is not
Feb 28 01:07:35 <SpeedEvil> JesusFreke: it's complex
Feb 28 01:07:50 <SpeedEvil> lead can make some sorts of radiation worse
Feb 28 01:07:51 <Nemanjaa> text is good *
Feb 28 01:08:03 <JesusFreke> orly?
Feb 28 01:08:06 <SpeedEvil> unless it's really thick
Feb 28 01:08:10 <SpeedEvil> yarly
Feb 28 01:09:08 <SpeedEvil> very penetrating radiation may pass through your circuit with little damage, as little interacts.
Feb 28 01:09:38 <SpeedEvil> if you put lead in the way, then you get a shower of generated particles from the interaction.
Feb 28 01:09:43 <JesusFreke> ah
Feb 28 01:09:57 <SpeedEvil> these can have significantly more interaction with your circuit
Feb 28 01:10:32 <JesusFreke> you obviously need to reverse the polarity, and realign the crystals
Feb 28 01:17:01 <osxorgate> what are these generated particles?
Feb 28 01:18:59 <g00s> cats and dogs
Feb 28 01:20:51 <SpeedEvil> neutrons and alpha mainly spalled off the internet
Feb 28 01:20:53 <SpeedEvil> err
Feb 28 01:20:57 <SpeedEvil> off the lead
Feb 28 01:21:36 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_spallation
Feb 28 01:25:04 <Improv> Is it kosher to ask questions on SQLite here if it's for an Android project?
Feb 28 01:26:46 <Improv> I'd like to know if it's kosher in SQLite to do "UPDATE table SET field=(SUBQUERY)" when I know that SUBQUERY will return one field of the right type.
Feb 28 01:28:02 <g00s> Improv: there is an sqlite channel
Feb 28 01:28:24 <Improv> g00s: Tried it. It's dead as a doorknob.
Feb 28 01:29:06 <Improv> Oh well. I guess I'll just try it and see if it works.
Feb 28 01:29:07 <g00s> well, you usually have to wait a while
Feb 28 01:30:24 <kbs> Improv: should be ok. However, behaviour on multiple rows may be inconsistent.
Feb 28 01:30:45 <Improv> UPDATE foo SET number=(SELECT 5);   .... Ok, works.
Feb 28 01:32:53 <Improv> I have a few singleton tables in my app; I'm sure this will never return more than or less than one value because of how I wrote it.
Feb 28 01:34:52 <kbs> in my misbegotten youth, i've believed that to be true of my code too :) but at any rate: the minor gotcha is that it doesn't necessarily throw errors on multiple rows.
Feb 28 01:36:03 <Improv> kbs: True, but in this case, I could actually prove that more than one row will never get into one of my singleton tables.
Feb 28 01:37:22 <Improv> Anyhow, looks good.
Feb 28 02:09:41 <echosystm> is it common to use maven for android projects?
Feb 28 02:09:51 <echosystm> if not, what is the most common way to manage deps etc.
Feb 28 02:13:12 <agy2154> Can you guys help me debug?
Feb 28 02:13:59 <agy2154> http://pastebin.com/0fkc77RF
Feb 28 02:14:34 <agy2154> I know the toast is causing the problem. But I don't know why
Feb 28 02:14:45 <g00s> echosystm: gradle will be the upcoming official build system
Feb 28 02:14:49 <agy2154> I'm passing a context from my activity to another class
Feb 28 02:15:07 <agy2154> and I'm using that context for the Toast
Feb 28 02:15:10 <agy2154> but It won't work
Feb 28 02:15:40 <agy2154> I tried passing the activity itself before and then in the non-activity class transferring the activity to a context but that gave me more problems.
Feb 28 02:18:18 <agy2154> Does anyone know what can be causing my problem?
Feb 28 02:23:07 <echosystm> what does gradle have over maven g00s ?
Feb 28 02:24:46 <JesusFreke> it's easier to customize
Feb 28 02:24:46 <agy2154> can I run a toast with a imput filteR?
Feb 28 02:25:21 <JesusFreke> it's a full scripting environment, rather than simply a declarative xml file
Feb 28 02:40:38 <alex_PP> mornin' all
Feb 28 02:41:03 <kaneda^> evenin
Feb 28 02:48:30 <osxorgate> regex heroes? trying to find all substrings that have "[[" and "]]" around them
Feb 28 02:49:34 <JesusFreke> no nesting?
Feb 28 02:51:07 <osxorgate> no
Feb 28 02:52:22 <JesusFreke> \[\[([^]{2}|\][^]])*\]\]
Feb 28 02:52:23 <JesusFreke> maybe
Feb 28 02:52:50 <JesusFreke> \[\[([^\]]{2}|\][^\]])*\]\]
Feb 28 02:53:16 <JesusFreke> hmm. not quite
Feb 28 02:54:29 <kevinb> \[\[(.*?)\]\]
Feb 28 02:55:01 <JesusFreke> yeah, that. :)
Feb 28 02:55:06 <JesusFreke> was trying to make it too complicated
Feb 28 02:55:54 <osxorgate> so to clarify: "abc [[def]] ghi [[hij]] 123" should have 2 results
Feb 28 02:56:40 <osxorgate> and there will be no [[[[blah]] something]]
Feb 28 02:57:53 <osxorgate> ah yes, the online thingy didnt update properly
Feb 28 02:57:55 <osxorgate> thanks fellas :)
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