**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 02:59:58 2013 Feb 28 04:50:22 ohh, neat. Feb 28 04:50:47 never knew about column before. this is handy. Feb 28 04:50:59 apparently this is a bsd main stay? Feb 28 05:20:55 Who's awake?? Feb 28 05:21:06 * Bleeptech has hit a wall.. Feb 28 05:21:32 nobody sleeptech Feb 28 05:22:27 Well since you answered you can probably do this in your sleep.. Right? Feb 28 05:23:09 Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Feb 28 05:23:26 Morning! :D Feb 28 05:26:13 Evening here.. Late afternoon by my time scale. :) Feb 28 05:31:40 Anybody want to scan a line of code for obvious errors? Feb 28 05:32:51 dos.writeBytes("Content-Disposition: form-data; name="uploadedfile";filename="" + exsistingFileName +""" + lineEnd); Feb 28 05:34:09 ??? Feb 28 05:34:33 So here I am trying to decide whether to delete a " or add another one.. LOL.. Feb 28 05:36:35 use \" to encapsulate a quote in a quoted string. Feb 28 05:36:59 name=\"uploadedfile\" . If i understand your question. Feb 28 05:40:40 dragorn: The code I'm working from is http://reecon.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/uploading-files-to-http-server-using-post-android-sdk/ Feb 28 05:50:38 is it possible to have sql function? Feb 28 05:58:24 what? Feb 28 05:59:56 That is like asking, "can I put a spare tire in my vehicle?" Feb 28 06:01:13 no Feb 28 06:01:23 it's like asking "is it possible to have a spare tire?" Feb 28 06:02:03 no, its perfectly reasonable. sqlite is lame this way, H2 allows this Feb 28 06:02:04 no, it is like " is it ok if i buy a spare tire Feb 28 06:02:33 many databases allow user defined functions in sql or another language like java (informix, db2) Feb 28 06:02:40 is that what he was askign? Feb 28 06:02:58 i guess we'll have to ask :) Feb 28 06:03:03 thats what i thought ... Feb 28 06:03:43 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7867099/how-to-create-a-user-defined-function-in-sqlite Feb 28 06:39:14 user defined functions, yep thats what I need Feb 28 06:39:23 but looks like android does not allows this Feb 28 06:41:32 squ: if you can catch mrenouf around ever (haven't seen him in a while) - he did something called spatialite i think; he may be able to help Feb 28 07:32:02 too funny: "HTML5 localStorage allows sites to fill up users' hard disks" Feb 28 07:32:50 spec says this shouldn't be possible; but chrome / safari / ie do not enforce. horay specs \o/ Feb 28 07:35:11 g00s: Heh. Reminds me of early versions of the JVM that didn't implement garbage collection. Feb 28 07:38:46 i wanted to know when android releases the resources associated with my activity after a period of dormancy. does the instance of the activity get destroyed too? or maybe it does even crazier things like unload the class itself too >_> Feb 28 07:44:02 balls2thewall: the Activity instance can get destroyed but the class won't be unloaded Feb 28 07:44:06 your process might get killed too Feb 28 07:44:39 so the only guarantee i have is that the application instance wont get destroyed? Feb 28 07:44:50 >_> ty Feb 28 07:55:23 hi all Feb 28 07:55:33 anybody know how to do android unit test on fragments? Feb 28 08:05:22 Hello. I'm trying to find a solution to a security problem I have with Samsung Apps in app purchase verification process. From my Android application I send through HTTPS POST request to my server an url + some other data in the body. From my server I take the data and make an HTTPS request to the Samsung's purchase verification servers in order to validate the purchase. So far so good, but what if an attacker creates his own purchase Feb 28 08:05:22 verification server that always says that the purchase is valid and make requests to my server with *his own* url? The solutions I was thinking about so far are not feasable, because: using a hash + a secret for sending the data from my app to my server, using a public key of my server to encrypt the data and send it to the server, but this again means that the attacker can take the public key and decompile my apk and make his own request... Feb 28 08:05:22 any ideas of other solutions? Feb 28 08:05:22 The sending of the URL from my Android app to the server is mandatory because that url is the url of the Samsung Apps purchase verification server which changes based on country or maybe other thing... Feb 28 08:08:00 *decompile my apk and see what data I send in the HTTP POST Feb 28 08:19:14 hi. I have an set of attributes for textviews (font-size, color, margin, etc) which i want to define once in the layout-xml and apply to multiple textviews than. How can i do this? Feb 28 08:22:00 values could be a way, but may there is something better? Feb 28 08:23:27 Stummi: you use styles http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/themes.html Feb 28 08:25:25 appel1, seems to be exactly this what i looked for :) thanks Feb 28 08:28:37 another question: (Using eclipse) I have an library project and want it as distributable jarfile. There seems to be an generated bin/myproject.jar, but it doesn't have the R.class in it, so when i use it in another project i get the ClassNotFoundException as far as something in this jar tries to access its R-class. Is this a bug? Feb 28 08:29:18 afaik android library projects can't be distributed as jar Feb 28 08:30:48 is there any other way to get them in distributable form? Or will everybody who wants to work with my project has to checkout my project and the lib projects in workspace? Feb 28 08:32:31 typically you unpack the source code somewhere on your disk, then you specify the path to the library source in the configuration Feb 28 08:33:06 I think the problem is that resource identifiers can collide if you're trying to combine two precompiled libraries Feb 28 08:33:40 but e.g. the android support libs are a jar file, so it's obviously possible to make jars... it's just the resource files that cause trouble iiuc Feb 28 08:35:13 hm, is there already an proved way to handle this with maven? Feb 28 08:35:45 dunno, i gave up on maven because of questions like that :) Feb 28 08:37:14 okay, can you recommend something better for the build management? Feb 28 08:47:20 Stummi: you can get the experimental gradle build system, but its somewhat unfinished. Feb 28 08:47:43 it will be more useful when 0.4 comes out, if they stick to their milestones Feb 28 08:54:01 g00s, so, currently the best way is to do an "old style" project, without any build management and just having the lib/*.jar in scm? Feb 28 08:54:20 and telling people to checkout other lib projects besides that project Feb 28 08:54:33 well ... Feb 28 08:55:47 everybody loves that maven can take care of those explicit deps; but the gradle based system does that too. if you are good at maven and your project doesn't require extreme customization, it takes 10 minutes to make a pom Feb 28 08:56:00 you can migrate to gradle when it makes sense Feb 28 08:56:41 my project doesn't have enough deps to worry about; i just put in the project README what should be in libs Feb 28 08:59:19 I want to refresh a notification every second for say.. 24 hours.. how do I do this so it doesnt stop when my device goes to deep sleep? Feb 28 09:00:04 Last time I tried it stopped after just 30 minutes Feb 28 09:01:58 Quacked: doesn't sound very battery friendly.. Feb 28 09:02:08 I know, but I want to test it Feb 28 09:02:49 Quacked: a service then Feb 28 09:02:59 Quacked: thats nuts. Feb 28 09:03:18 I have a notification service and run a timer there Feb 28 09:03:39 which type of information is this important it has to be updated secondly? Feb 28 09:03:45 Quacked: is it a sticky service? do you handle the case where the service is killed and restarted correctly? Feb 28 09:03:52 Stummi: time remaining of countdown :) Feb 28 09:04:11 appel1: no, I didn't get any respons about that when I asked earlier Feb 28 09:04:22 Quacked: and you expect your users to sit with the notification drawer pulled down for the entire duration? :) Feb 28 09:05:09 appel1: no, but I want it updated when they show the notification drawer :) Feb 28 09:06:12 appel1: so if I do "return Service.START_STICKY;" and do something to remember the previous state, it should work? Feb 28 09:06:36 Quacked: why not do something sensible and only do an exact countdown when there's perhaps 10 seconds left or something? Feb 28 09:07:19 appel1: maybe, I could for instance live with showing minutes only until the last 10-60 seconds Feb 28 09:08:09 but how would the minutes be accurate if the timer updates every 60 seconds? If the timer is a bit off it would show an entire minute off I guess Feb 28 09:08:52 Quacked: have you looked at what the JB clock app does for its timer? you might get some inspiration there. Feb 28 09:09:17 I tried. It's confusing :) Feb 28 09:09:56 Where do you find the source for that? Feb 28 09:11:54 Quacked: https://code.google.com/p/android-source-browsing/source/browse?repo=platform--packages--apps--deskclock Feb 28 09:12:15 Thanks Feb 28 09:12:46 if you don't update the notification very frequently you might want to use AlarmManager instead of an always on service Feb 28 09:13:12 but for updates once per minute perhaps that'd complicate things unnecessarily Feb 28 09:16:00 if I use Service.START_STICKY, will the Service also restart if I force close the app? Feb 28 09:20:45 no Feb 28 09:33:33 Whats the difference between onHandleIntent and onStartCommand really? I just realized that my notification service was an IntentService so I changed it now. But it looks like I can still use onHandleIntent() Feb 28 09:35:03 Quacked: huh? onHandleIntent does not exist in Service. Feb 28 09:35:21 Quacked: also, if you moved to use Service don't forget to stop your service when it is done. Feb 28 09:35:57 Weird. It compiled fine Feb 28 09:36:27 It compiles! Ship it! Feb 28 09:36:29 Quacked: you can add onHandleIntent but it'll never get called by anyone unless you do Feb 28 09:37:20 annotating overrides with @Override is usually a good idea =) Feb 28 09:37:57 huh? hadoop hasn't had a release since 2011? is it that good or is there something wrong with the project :/ Feb 28 09:38:26 oh nm, their news is bogus Feb 28 09:38:42 appel1: so startService(intent) won't trigger onHandleIntent? Feb 28 09:39:03 Quacked: for IntentService ? Feb 28 09:39:10 For normal Service Feb 28 09:39:12 Quacked: onHandleIntent does not exist in Service Feb 28 09:39:30 Quacked: it is an abstract method in IntentService Feb 28 09:39:38 Yeah ok, but why don't I get any errors? Feb 28 09:39:45 Quacked: O.o back away from the keyboard Feb 28 09:39:58 Quacked: because you can add a new method to your classes Feb 28 09:40:09 hehehe Feb 28 09:40:13 * Quacked facepalms Feb 28 09:40:18 Quacked: there's no rule against defining a method with the same name as a method defined in other classes Feb 28 09:40:48 such a programming language would be.. interesting.. Feb 28 09:40:52 hehehe Feb 28 09:41:34 Quacked: anyways, annotate your overrides with @Override so you do get compiler errors when you do a mistake like this =) Feb 28 09:42:38 I'm reluctant to say this, but I removed the @Override that was initially there because it gave error Feb 28 09:42:51 lol Feb 28 09:43:07 hehe Feb 28 09:43:10 ;) Feb 28 09:45:13 hi,how do I set a backgroud for a MultiAutoCompleteTextView drop down? The drop down appears while and the drop down items are white too. Any fix for this? Feb 28 09:46:00 hi,how do I set a backgroud for a MultiAutoCompleteTextView drop down? The drop down appears white and the drop down items are white too. Any fix for this? Feb 28 09:46:52 Btw, is it somehow possible to have setWhen() display time left till HH:mm? I saw a screenshot of an app that had that, but it could be the ROM. I think it was some sort Kindle device Feb 28 09:49:02 BadDesign, use a nonce? Feb 28 09:49:42 Trinity: yeah, but that adds another HTTP request from my server to the Android app Feb 28 09:49:50 so? Feb 28 09:50:51 Trinity: I have to generate the nonce on the server and send it to the client and the client after the purchase has been made sends it back along with the purchase details... this is an option I have to take into consideration, will see... Feb 28 09:50:58 yes i know Feb 28 09:51:14 basically youl'll have to consider the possibility and if its worth it Feb 28 09:51:23 imho its worth it and its barely noticeable to the users Feb 28 09:51:52 I could also check if some part of the URL Samsung's IAP gives matches with that I get on the server... but what if the URL changes completely... Feb 28 09:52:00 s/that/what Feb 28 09:52:30 Anyone help, how do I set the backgroud and foreground colors for a MultiAutoCompleteTextView drop down? Feb 28 09:52:39 Currently they have https://country-odc.samsungapps.com/verifyPurchase... where country = uk, us, de, fr etc... Feb 28 09:52:43 is there any specific reason why you're using samsungs IAP? Feb 28 09:53:00 Trinity: Its not my decision... I have to implement it... Feb 28 09:53:01 the link doesnt work Feb 28 09:53:07 why not use google IAP? Feb 28 09:53:12 Trinity: We use that too Feb 28 09:53:36 do you have server-to-server verification working on google IAP? Feb 28 09:54:02 Trinity: Yes. Feb 28 09:54:16 From Samsung IAP, the URL they give after a purchase is different based on what country is configured within the account that is logged in into Samsung Apps Store Feb 28 09:55:00 I have to make a request from my server to that URL and check whether the purchase is valid... Feb 28 09:55:20 I never used Samsung IAP so i wouldn't be sure Feb 28 09:55:38 i'm pretty sure 99% of android users have google play installed Feb 28 09:56:00 so they could use google's IAP and it wouldn't hurt any sales. Only bit of advice i could give sorry :/ Feb 28 09:56:45 "they" being? Feb 28 09:57:01 your customers Feb 28 09:57:33 not 99% really but those who actively use apps and most likely will purchase your "items" will have Google Play installed Feb 28 09:58:10 Yes, but my company has a partnership with Samsung and they want to have our app in their Samsung Apps store... so I have to comply... Feb 28 09:58:25 Trinity: given how many people are getting samsungs... :P Feb 28 09:58:57 hey p_l Feb 28 09:59:08 and Trinity :) Feb 28 09:59:09 p_l: yea i know :/ but wouldn't they still have Play Store haha Feb 28 09:59:12 hey g00s Feb 28 09:59:45 IMO though the only two IAPs you should have would be Amazon and Google Feb 28 10:00:19 * p_l doesn't give jack shit about Amazon's, not available in many markets (probably less so than Samsung's) Feb 28 10:00:38 Amazon for kindle? Feb 28 10:01:14 Trinity: android-based kindles aren't available in many markets either Feb 28 10:01:27 isn't it the most sold tablet in usa? Feb 28 10:01:36 not to mention that K3 Keyboard 3G was *THE* best :P Feb 28 10:01:49 timroes: and USA isn't even the biggest country out there? Feb 28 10:02:21 For example on the Samsung market, http://apps.samsung.com/mars/topApps/topAppsDetail.as?categoryId=G000012927&productId=000000488367 Feb 28 10:02:32 number 2 apparently, they don't have the # of downoads or # of ratings Feb 28 10:02:46 but i did a manual count of the ratings, about 30 Feb 28 10:03:13 * p_l has yet to see Kindle Fire anywhere, or any other of the LCD kindles Feb 28 10:03:17 doesn't seem that active to me but i guess ill have to upload there to check it out Feb 28 10:03:38 if rating rate is similiar to google play 30 ratings would mean ~500 downloads? Feb 28 10:03:56 * BadDesign "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" Feb 28 10:04:41 oh nvmd its #4, still.. lol Feb 28 10:04:43 lol Feb 28 10:04:45 good 1 Feb 28 10:26:49 Ive got to support ldpi, mdpi, hdpi and xhdpi. Now Ive got different sized Pngs for each and every one, but is it possible to only have xhdpi and let android scale? Or is it much more time consuming? Feb 28 10:27:20 the scaling is at least bad quality Feb 28 10:27:48 especially in images that are not 9 patches and are large Feb 28 10:29:11 this is actually why I don't use many images in my applications... the size gets too large too fast Feb 28 10:29:23 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5998865/only-use-xhdpi-drawables-in-android-app <-- seems like scaling is a bad idea? Feb 28 10:29:30 (also I suck at graphics :p) Feb 28 10:29:36 me 2 :) Feb 28 10:29:41 ive got a graphics guy := Feb 28 10:30:44 android got experience with having a surface view and a mediaplayer and only the audio gets played? Feb 28 10:30:48 im trying to stream a video - it works with a VideoView, but if i manually use a mediaplayer and a surface view only audio gets played - and i need the mediaplayer because it has more callbacks that i need Feb 28 10:31:56 sometimes I wish android supported vector graphics Feb 28 10:40:03 p_l: so the FF tree style tab extension has been stable for you ? Feb 28 10:40:21 i think i'm going to give it a try Feb 28 10:41:16 ¿uo ƃuᴉoƃ s,ʇɐɥʍ 'sʎnƃ ᴉɥ Feb 28 10:42:07 Hello, I need to create an activity that draws a graph and allows zoom in/out. not sure which type of layout is needed here? can you point me in the right direction? Feb 28 10:43:30 viran: have you looked at any of the existing open source chart libraries? Feb 28 10:43:59 nope, didnt know there are any.... Feb 28 10:44:43 viran: https://code.google.com/p/achartengine/ https://github.com/jjoe64/GraphView http://www.jjoe64.com/p/graphview-library.html Feb 28 10:45:06 thanks Feb 28 10:45:43 I am looking for a "flip card" animation where I want to animate two TextViews as front and back... I have seen the examples but those only works with higher API level than I can afford to set as minimum.. does anyone know a good example where I can see how to have such animation from sdk 7 ->.. Feb 28 10:46:46 the card flip animation at android developers requires fragments and therefore a minimum of 11 Feb 28 10:47:21 MelvinKelvin: you can use compatibility library, I think... Feb 28 10:48:56 BadDesign: like the support library? Feb 28 10:48:57 you've got a support library you can use on older versions. (i think) Feb 28 10:49:07 MelvinKelvin: that is, to get fragments working in older SDKs, http://goo.gl/uvCfU http://goo.gl/LJiWP http://goo.gl/668bj Feb 28 10:49:27 g00s: for years now Feb 28 10:49:52 Thanks, I will look into it! Feb 28 10:50:30 p_l: it was this one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ Feb 28 10:50:49 yes Feb 28 10:50:57 I often install it from the author's page, though Feb 28 10:51:12 different version? Feb 28 10:51:14 shouldn't make much of a difference now Feb 28 10:51:22 g00s: in the past :) Feb 28 10:51:24 hey guys :) Feb 28 10:51:35 uh oh, its styler2go :) Feb 28 10:51:50 and i have no question! just want to see u guys :D Feb 28 10:51:56 :D Feb 28 10:52:19 i'm kiddin, i found out that eclipse has an irc client, i am trying it right now :D Feb 28 10:52:50 styler2go: there's a special "theme" for irssi if you use a terminal embedded in Eclipse, so that it looks like you're working when you're ircing Feb 28 10:53:24 hahahaha Feb 28 10:53:27 good idea :D Feb 28 10:53:31 but i really have to work :D Feb 28 10:53:36 hi guys.. i'm trying to understand the Point-object.. and my brain just melted Feb 28 10:53:37 http://pastebin.com/bnEUc4C1 Feb 28 10:53:50 how come line #6 also affect the original point, p? Feb 28 10:54:51 lime: you need to dig into thevery java basics Feb 28 10:54:58 styler2go: „You know how people say that the top coders are ten times as productive? I'm one of those guys, except instead of outperforming everyone, I just play games, read web pages and goof off most of the time. Then I keep up with my workload by occasionally doing a couple of hours of actual work.” Feb 28 10:55:11 timroes, that sounds scary Feb 28 10:55:27 yeah but that is not an android question but the very very basic java question Feb 28 10:55:34 true Feb 28 10:55:42 you need to understand differences between referenced datatypes and primitive datatypes Feb 28 10:55:55 oh Feb 28 10:55:58 ofc you manipulate p, because yeah... you manipulate the point? Feb 28 10:56:11 you somehow expect new_poitns[0] = p do copy somethign? Feb 28 10:56:23 yup :D Feb 28 10:56:24 no it sets the first element of the array to point to p Feb 28 10:56:41 i see, so i only make a reference Feb 28 10:56:52 http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/ you should give these a try Feb 28 10:57:00 i guess that stuff is convered in one of the very beginning tutorials Feb 28 10:57:18 let's hope so :D Feb 28 10:57:21 what would be the rationale behind a white bitmap being a different color than just setting the view color in code to white >_> i checked, the bitmap is perfect white but still is obtrusive on a white background set by code/xml Feb 28 10:58:08 lime: it does Feb 28 10:58:15 2nd chapter: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/index.html Feb 28 10:58:24 --> #java Feb 28 10:58:59 throw 'em to the sharks! Feb 28 10:58:59 hehe, yeah, this might be java related, but I'm more familiar with you people in here :D Feb 28 10:59:05 and in my head it's basically the same deal Feb 28 10:59:14 >might be Feb 28 10:59:15 thanks for the help timroes ;) Feb 28 11:01:26 nvm, found an explantion for my problem Feb 28 11:01:29 >_> Feb 28 11:04:01 whoops, no i didnt >_> Feb 28 11:06:05 p_l: So you save your work until you have to work under pressure? Feb 28 11:09:54 What is the long variable 'next' in this code ? http://pastebin.com/Y8Yf2nCr Feb 28 11:10:05 I don't get it :) Feb 28 11:10:22 I think I've included enough of the code Feb 28 11:12:22 styler2go: exactly how i work as well haha, without pressure I wouldn't be able to code at all >_> Feb 28 11:12:43 p_l: Lol.. so i am not alone.. Feb 28 11:13:04 Trinity: i thought this would be my way of coding :D Feb 28 11:14:15 what object should I use to store key value pairs that I can easily call methods to check if certain key exists; and get value of a certain key Feb 28 11:14:27 it seems Bundle can do it, but I was not sure Feb 28 11:14:59 Quacked: whats not to get? Feb 28 11:15:00 gmag: a map if you jsut need a regular java object not to send between activities? Feb 28 11:15:07 Preferences maybe? Feb 28 11:15:24 ah you need to store them forever? or just for one session Feb 28 11:15:38 I need to store during my application life Feb 28 11:15:58 okay why aren't you using a Map? Feb 28 11:16:07 timroes, gonna check that Feb 28 11:16:15 Quacked: you set interval.millis and then with millisTillNextInterval interval.millis() - now % interval.millis(); is done Feb 28 11:16:25 i get the feeling this channel more and more takes a turn into basic java questions.. Feb 28 11:17:00 timroes, I just dont want to have to implement "checkIfKeyExists(key)" and "getValue(key)" Feb 28 11:17:32 timroes: want a droidy question then Feb 28 11:17:38 about loaders :) Feb 28 11:17:46 i want some breakfast :) Feb 28 11:18:07 irc + basic java or breakfast hmmm Feb 28 11:18:09 as ## Java people would say, test it and see Feb 28 11:18:13 timroes, yeah Map seems to do it, ty Feb 28 11:18:29 styler2go, gonna check Preferences too, just in case Feb 28 11:19:11 StingRay_: so got my breakfast :D Feb 28 11:19:26 so now i want some clothes, somehow its getting cold in here :D Feb 28 11:19:29 anyone here use shorthand if statements? Feb 28 11:19:39 not tenary Feb 28 11:19:44 timroes: fried and contributing to heart-attack ? Feb 28 11:21:12 Trinity: what do you mean by shorthand if, but not tenary? Feb 28 11:21:17 Trinity: and value of interval.millis() is simply 1000? Feb 28 11:21:23 if (true) doThis(); Feb 28 11:21:31 StingRay_: no just took a day off today :D Feb 28 11:21:41 well i guess thats not shorthand but rather without brackets Feb 28 11:22:04 Trinity: i use this for some return statements Feb 28 11:22:13 e.g. if(stuff == null) return; Feb 28 11:22:29 but not if the command inside the if block is more complex Feb 28 11:23:11 this was a fun read http://tech.blog.box.com/2013/02/improve-the-testability-of-your-android-app/ Feb 28 11:23:33 what about (num & 1) == 1 ? num1 : num2) Feb 28 11:23:42 yup Feb 28 11:23:49 Quacked: yup Feb 28 11:24:49 timroes: ahh, good to know same way i use it then. Got confusing if I tried to use it with more complicated blocks Feb 28 11:25:00 but I found the one line statements easier to understand Feb 28 11:25:38 The irc client inside eclipse is very funny :) Feb 28 11:25:39 g00s: that lifecycle pic should be doc.android's pic Feb 28 11:25:59 its so pretty :D Feb 28 11:28:13 damn it, i'm pissed linkedIn removed all the books I reviewed in my profile Feb 28 11:28:56 fracking sochul bs Feb 28 11:34:27 is this lib any good ? https://github.com/commonsguy/cwac-loaderex Feb 28 11:35:18 or am i actually better learning and doing my own Feb 28 11:35:33 Trinity: what's the point of the code? the next interval becomes almost a random long between 0 and 1000 Feb 28 11:36:10 As I can understand from line 188 here he is updating the notification every 'next' second: http://code.google.com/p/kraigsandroid/source/browse/android/alarmclock/src/com/angrydoughnuts/android/alarmclock/NotificationService.java Feb 28 11:36:23 'next' millisecond I mean Feb 28 11:37:05 Quacked: is that not asking for the next interval IN milliseconds ? Feb 28 11:37:21 I mean in seconds Feb 28 11:37:47 rather than millis :) Feb 28 11:38:27 the parameter of postDelayed takes long I think Feb 28 11:38:36 hi all - if android is android then why are some programs limited to certain makes / models of tablet - assuming the same OS version I would think that an app from one should work on the other but it doesnt look like this is the case? Feb 28 11:38:37 Quacked: handler.postDelayed(soundCheck, next); Feb 28 11:38:43 StingRay_: in millis Feb 28 11:39:01 devswap: android is android ? O.o Feb 28 11:39:20 Trinity: pardon? Feb 28 11:39:24 i don't think hes updating the notification but rather the sound Feb 28 11:39:31 Check line 188 instead Feb 28 11:40:01 ahh nvmd i see hold up Feb 28 11:40:05 That's his notificationBlinker which I think updates notification. I'm using NotificationCompat.Builder so mine doesn't look exactly the same Feb 28 11:40:19 devswap: because theres a small thing called fragmentation :) Feb 28 11:40:22 g00s: thats what I mean - why wont an app for one work on another - is it the cpu architecture? Feb 28 11:41:11 hello folks Feb 28 11:41:40 devswap: same reason why not all windows pcs could read floppy disks Feb 28 11:41:41 hello to you Feb 28 11:41:52 because some pcs have the hardware to read floppy disks Feb 28 11:42:15 unless you're talking about API/SDK Feb 28 11:44:08 as I've used that app for a long time without noticing a major battery usage, I believe I can update my notification every second as well (that is if he is actually updating it every 0-1000 ms) Feb 28 11:44:10 Quacked: seems to me its basically like a deltaTime Feb 28 11:44:27 so you got it right, its updating it every 1 second Feb 28 11:44:40 so a blink/LED notification every 1 second Feb 28 11:45:02 It's not the notification drawer notification update? Feb 28 11:45:03 but that time is dependent on epoch Feb 28 11:45:21 Why doesnt he just set the value to 1000 ms? Feb 28 11:46:19 because it takes time for that runnable to run Feb 28 11:46:53 wait nvmd Feb 28 11:47:36 is it basically to avoid having 1 second wrong every now and then? Feb 28 11:48:25 i.e. the timer goin 10,9,9,7,6,5,5,3,2,1 Feb 28 11:48:36 Hi guys, i'm looking for a way to monitor network activity, on the long time (an app maybe ?), and make show me all networ transactions happening Feb 28 11:50:41 any one android punter here Feb 28 11:56:05 a what ? Feb 28 11:57:24 Trinity: still here? Feb 28 11:57:38 anyone a android speculator/gambler/patron here... nope still dont get it Feb 28 11:58:25 A punt is a flat-bottomed boat with a square-cut bow, designed for use in small rivers or other shallow water. Punting refers to boating in a punt. The punter generally propels the punt by pushing against the river bed with a pole. A punt should not be confused with a gondola, which is propelled by an oar rather than a pole. Feb 28 11:58:59 stowelly: hence my confusion :) Feb 28 11:59:04 :) Feb 28 11:59:18 generally the term is for a customer though Feb 28 11:59:30 and id guess everyone in here owns an android device of some sort..... so yes ? Feb 28 11:59:52 cant be that though, logic dictates going into an android dev channel and asking that is....well.....not sound Feb 28 12:00:35 * StingRay_ needs a pill that instills loader, cursorLoader knowledge Feb 28 12:00:36 in that case it must be the boat thing! Feb 28 12:00:44 :) Feb 28 12:02:47 Quacked: my guess really is he wants it smack on every interval of 1000 in Epoch time Feb 28 12:03:11 Aha Feb 28 12:03:35 Thanks Feb 28 12:03:50 Also, In his NotificationService he uses START_NOT_STICKY. Would his wakelocks be enough for Android not to kill his Service? Feb 28 12:05:36 yea i think he just wants it to be constant on every 1 second Feb 28 12:06:00 Trinity: seems a bit OCD to me but to each his own :) Feb 28 12:06:37 erm... with a HashMap I can have any combination of key/value types, right? Considering (key, value) as an entrie of HashMap, I can have the following HashMap: (string:int), (string:bool), (double, string), etc, right? Feb 28 12:07:30 gmag: yeah, cept objects rather than primitives no? Feb 28 12:07:33 ehh, not really though. probably came up with some weird errors during testing because of the threading Feb 28 12:08:04 StingRay_, sorry, could you rephrase is? Didnt get it Feb 28 12:08:10 it* Feb 28 12:08:14 you should test it! see if theres a difference between postDelayed 1000 and milli Feb 28 12:08:21 Integer, Boolean etc Feb 28 12:08:48 I think as long as your key is hashable you can use any type right? (at least thats the case in c++, not too fluent in java) Feb 28 12:09:28 which keys are hashable? Primitive keys are hashable? I just need primitive keys and values Feb 28 12:09:37 Trinity: yeah Feb 28 12:09:55 gmag: yes, I have some hasmaps with Integer keys and string values Feb 28 12:09:59 *hasmaps Feb 28 12:10:02 ah ffs Feb 28 12:10:52 also consider sparseArray<*> if your key is an int Feb 28 12:11:06 apparently tis quicker, so lint keeps telling me Feb 28 12:11:15 StingRay_: it is Feb 28 12:11:29 timroes: but... Feb 28 12:11:36 :) Feb 28 12:11:38 but? :) Feb 28 12:11:43 sure getting null is not, rather than contains ? Feb 28 12:11:54 if you want to know if key exists Feb 28 12:13:20 there is a problem with that Feb 28 12:13:35 or at least i would assume it, lemme look into the impleemntation shortly :D Feb 28 12:15:22 okay its not like i thought :) Feb 28 12:15:27 they could have easily created such a method Feb 28 12:15:31 :) Feb 28 12:15:59 but how often do you use contains? Feb 28 12:16:07 containKeys* Feb 28 12:16:22 in the most cases I remeber I would want to work on the result if it exists Feb 28 12:16:35 so why not getting it directly instead of needing another call to get it Feb 28 12:17:02 (and not to mention the complexity of the call Feb 28 12:17:21 those moments when you ran out of green tea and youre banging your head against the table to wake up Feb 28 12:17:24 un* Feb 28 12:17:26 run* Feb 28 12:18:48 Hey folks, is it considered reasonable to develop for Android >= 4 for a new android app today? Or is 2.x support still mandatory? Feb 28 12:19:35 provideal: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html decide yourself :) Feb 28 12:19:40 1.6 is below 2.x Feb 28 12:20:25 oh im stupid, 4.x you mean :) Feb 28 12:21:09 timroes: I knew that, I just wonder whether 4.x features will ever take off :) Feb 28 12:22:09 provideal: sorry don't get how you mean that? Feb 28 12:22:18 * Trinity looks into a crystal ball and says "yes" Feb 28 12:22:47 ofc 4.x will grow or do you think manufatures will now begin and think.. we won't do any new stuff mroe, lets go back to 2.x for the next device? Feb 28 12:24:43 I feel a little awkward developing a new app for such an ancient version... Feb 28 12:25:14 I still cater to that 0.2% :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 12:27:15 2013 Feb 28 12:27:30 timroes: I just expected more users to not uptdate to 2.3.3 even if possible Feb 28 12:27:37 rooted ones? Feb 28 12:27:56 wouldn;t know why they shouldn't Feb 28 12:28:22 timroes: I've talked to a lot of people who doesnt know how to update etc Feb 28 12:28:38 my mobile bothered me with it till i got every update? Feb 28 12:28:53 ^ yea.... it was fairly annoying lol Feb 28 12:29:12 my mom didn't want to update cause she knew the UI between 2.3.3 and 4.0.x was entirely different Feb 28 12:29:28 yeah but stupid if she want to stick to the old ui :) Feb 28 12:29:38 shes 70+ LOL Feb 28 12:29:48 especially then Feb 28 12:29:58 in my opinion the 4.x has way better usability Feb 28 12:30:05 she was fairly pissed off when she found out she learned the old UI for no reason. ehh shes stubborn Feb 28 12:30:16