**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 08 02:59:59 2013 Mar 08 03:00:42 StingRay_: Yes, I want an ActionBar for the tab navigation/swiping Mar 08 03:00:54 StingRay_: But I do not want the titlebar that appears above it by default Mar 08 03:01:06 It seems incredibly difficult to separate them Mar 08 03:01:48 oh then I'm probably correct in assuming that you have to do that as an xml tag like android:theme="@android:style/Theme.NoTitleBar.Fullscreen" Mar 08 03:04:22 Any variation of NoTitleBar does the same thing - nukes the ActionBar entirely Mar 08 03:11:24 i think Android 4.0.1 or earlier might have allowed/done that, have the tabs inside the top action bar, but they intentionally made a change so that is no longer a behavior (except maybe on tablets or in landscape?) Mar 08 03:11:44 i think you'd have to use a custom view in the action bar to accomplish it, or just a custom tab host that looks like an action bar Mar 08 03:17:05 Cool. Mar 08 03:17:06 -_- Mar 08 03:17:19 Yeah if I had just implemented tabs myself I would be done by now Mar 08 03:17:31 But I figured doing it the most idiomatic way would be simplest Mar 08 03:18:01 I really just want a dead-simple tabs/swipe UI with two tabs, that looks almost exactly like the stock Clock app. No title bar. Clean. Mar 08 03:18:54 I'm just abandoning it for tonight... I'll start fresh later and just do my own tab/fragment thing. It'll be less trouble than trying to hack the action bar to work correctly Mar 08 03:26:22 capella: i got updates for both already :) Mar 08 03:26:57 Those bastards !!! (They killed kenny) Mar 08 03:29:24 Hello, everyone, I want to build a custom ROM enabling my Nexus S for 2-way audio recording which I will use for providing telephony service (calling/SMS) to my desktop and tablet. Does anyone know where I can get a kernel patch that enables this functionality? Mar 08 03:30:30 capella: i was reading about Mozilla's plan to add some social integration to future FF; i wish they would just focus on security, standards compliance, speed, ux Mar 08 03:30:46 Should I use libtinyalsa.so or libsecril-client.so? I read some code in Google's repo Mar 08 03:31:05 yah we have the new SocialAPI stuff now ... I don't favor it either Mar 08 03:31:28 and MarketPlace - like features are creeping it Mar 08 03:32:15 yeah - and the landscape keeps getting more complicated. FirefoxOS, FF for Android, Windows, Mac … are you guys doing a BB version ? Mar 08 03:32:29 seems like there is plenty of more important work to be done ;) Mar 08 03:32:30 If I used twitter or Facebook I might see the value .... :p Mar 08 03:33:08 anyone have a good example of an autoComplete filter/cursor textView ? Mar 08 03:36:06 TheBunny is here ! Mar 08 03:36:12 <_< Mar 08 03:36:14 oh my Mar 08 03:36:18 StingRay_: TheBunny from your video is here ! Mar 08 03:36:40 all hail TheBunny Mar 08 03:37:00 * TheBunny had a good day, Shipped ESO for Mac internally 99% done now! Mar 08 03:37:09 1 small issue left Mar 08 03:41:50 wow, downloading ubuntu 12.10 took 3 hours -.- Mar 08 03:41:54 even though its only 700 mbs Mar 08 03:41:59 wow Mar 08 03:42:15 and Im bitching about down loading 20 GB at work... Mar 08 03:43:00 * TheBunny data patcher is running at a whole 1mb a sec... Mar 08 03:43:05 its not my internet though, i have files being downloaded at 700kbs Mar 08 03:43:05 makes it 5+ hours :( Mar 08 03:43:20 just ubuntu.com is being slow, 60 kbs =[ Mar 08 03:43:25 * StingRay_ likes his 50mb connection Mar 08 03:43:27 yes I asseumed it was not your connection Mar 08 03:43:28 :) Mar 08 03:43:43 I just downloaded it in 25 seconds... Mar 08 03:43:55 see you need to down load it from StingRay_ Mar 08 03:44:05 StingRay_: Google Fiber? Mar 08 03:44:14 BT FTC Mar 08 03:44:17 <-- uk Mar 08 03:44:20 nah you can get the speed all over on cable etc Mar 08 03:44:26 http://www.speedtest.net/result/2557174770.png *ahem* Mar 08 03:44:30 back in my day we had to leave our 33.6Kbps modems on overnight to download linux distros. And we liked it. Mar 08 03:44:37 wow. Mar 08 03:44:42 leeds: what are you using? Mar 08 03:44:44 kevinb: I had a 14.4 1st Mar 08 03:44:49 kevinb: back in my day we had to leave our computers on overnight to compile a kernel... Mar 08 03:44:50 hehe :) i remember when i got my USR 14.4 Mar 08 03:44:50 then 28.8 Mar 08 03:44:57 Trinsta: gigabit fibre Mar 08 03:45:08 * TheBunny is not sure what he would do with 50MB line tho... Mar 08 03:45:14 Unless I have kids etc Mar 08 03:45:18 what sucks is when fios is only one block away Mar 08 03:45:24 :( Mar 08 03:45:32 but city politics/corruption gets involved -.- and fios is restricted from my city Mar 08 03:45:49 am I asking the wrong questions in this channel ? Mar 08 03:45:51 same shit everywhere :( Mar 08 03:46:00 or asking stupid questions ? Mar 08 03:48:20 slow in here tonight? Mar 08 03:48:56 hmm actually most of IRC all over looks dead. Mar 08 03:49:53 #ubuntu and ##linux is pretty active :) Mar 08 03:50:08 ugh, all the examples I see of autoComplete just use cursor to put things in a list or hashmap Mar 08 03:50:35 is that somehow better than a cursor/baseAdapter + filter combo Mar 08 03:51:33 do you guys have any good recommendations for a good cloud backup service? Mar 08 03:52:20 so i can store all of my data on the cloud (just regular data) slowly over a period of time and then reformat and re-download back slowly? Mar 08 03:54:00 I don't know any that really work like that Mar 08 03:57:24 ehh, nvmd going to just use a USB Mar 08 04:00:28 anyone know how to achieve both telephony voice up-link and down-link capture on Android for only Nexus S? Mar 08 04:01:06 I'm lost when browsing the android open source project repo... Mar 08 04:10:24 StingRay_: I figured it out Mar 08 04:10:41 StingRay_: Second answer here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5720715/remove-application-icon-and-title-from-honeycomb-action-bar Mar 08 04:10:51 With simply nothing in the displayOptions Mar 08 04:21:19 I've seen some apps that when a TextView is longPressed, a dialog pops up where the title is the full content of the possibly ellipsized text, and the option to copy to clipboard. Is that a built in function somewhere? Mar 08 04:22:36 LemonadeCarl: the repo doesn't have code for that at all, IIRC Mar 08 04:23:43 p_l: then how can I achieve what I want? I saw there's an app on Google Play that did this. Mar 08 04:23:43 the cases where voice capture was done without tricks like listening to microphone during the call were mainly on Qualcomm phones that had single-chip SoC with radio Mar 08 04:24:58 p_l: I just want my app to work on my nexus s, personal use only Mar 08 04:25:05 they usually use root and some tricks to acquire voice stream from radio chip, which for huge chunk of phones might mean hacking the radio firmware (or at least finding out undocumented stuff regarding how to put it online) Mar 08 04:25:18 p_l: I don't need to adapt other phones Mar 08 04:26:36 LemonadeCarl: the problem is that Nexus S has separate radio. So your best bet would be soldering :> Mar 08 04:27:16 p_l: :( Mar 08 04:27:16 I don't know the details of audio routing on NS' motherboard, though. There might be a loop going into application processor Mar 08 04:27:40 or you might find a way to get the radio to spew the voice data into memory of application processor (risky) Mar 08 04:27:42 p_l: that's out of my reach. How about a Nexus one Mar 08 04:27:58 p_l: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder&hl=en Mar 08 04:28:21 p_l: this app supports Nexus One Mar 08 04:28:39 LemonadeCarl: might be easier (several HTC phones had a way to access voice data, because they had radio and application processor integrated on one chip and didn't have the classic 'radio got separate physical audio lines') Mar 08 04:28:49 don't know how it's done, though Mar 08 04:29:02 android's source pretty much will be of no help Mar 08 04:30:13 p_l: then where should I be looking if I want to do it on such "easier" devices? Mar 08 04:31:19 xda-developers Mar 08 04:31:34 and I think it was mainly with older devices Mar 08 04:32:00 thanks Mar 08 04:32:37 maybe starting the project on an arm dev board will be much easier Mar 08 04:33:04 maybe a rapsberry-pi or a beaglebone Mar 08 04:33:32 depends what you want to do Mar 08 04:33:54 if you were attaching a radio to another device, you could just route the I2S lines yourself and get it easy Mar 08 04:35:35 p_l: I just want to receive/send calls and SMS on my desktop/laptop/tablets/cellphone with one fixed number Mar 08 04:36:07 which is not possible via services like Google Voice / Skype Mar 08 04:36:16 LemonadeCarl: you might have it easier to emulate a BT handset on the laptop Mar 08 04:36:21 etc Mar 08 04:36:38 bye - going to work now Mar 08 04:36:40 afk Mar 08 04:36:57 p_l: yeah, I saw that solution somewhere, too Mar 08 04:37:05 bye Mar 08 04:55:40 * g00s finally finds a good book on Laplace and Z-Transforms: but its in german :/ Mar 08 05:07:22 do you guys eject your devices or just pull the usb out? (aware of write cache) Mar 08 05:07:50 Trinsta: Make sure usb storage is off, then pull out Mar 08 05:09:22 really? i just pull mine out :| Mar 08 05:09:38 g00s: eeeee, macs are easier to get usb data corruption Mar 08 05:10:02 thought, ive only seen usb corruption once or twice in my life Mar 08 05:10:31 never had a problem. although, when i plug my phone in it doesn't show up as a mass device; yeah i would eject it if it did :P Mar 08 05:11:36 hehe, im excited :) Mar 08 05:11:52 just hoping that I don't get bugs from my ATI graphics card =[ Mar 08 05:27:03 g00s: i think i'm in love with ubuntu already Mar 08 05:27:23 Trinsta: :) Mar 08 05:27:41 if Lightroom and PS worked on Linux, i'd still be using it Mar 08 05:28:29 so the question is, can I be bothered to go to this later on today? http://www.linaro.org/connect/demo-friday Mar 08 05:29:14 yea, ps not working was a bummer :/ Mar 08 05:29:22 native toolchain for Android Mar 08 05:29:52 Leeds: sure, why not ;) especially if you can learn something or meet people; but there is always an opportunity cost :D Mar 08 05:30:32 I do know one person who's there - he's in #android but not here :) Mar 08 05:32:29 g00s: i have a win vm just for lightroom Mar 08 05:32:36 but first, as the good lord probably said at some point - let there be lunch! Salad every day, dropped 6-7 lb this year so far... Mar 08 05:32:43 g00s: there's just no good alternative to it Mar 08 05:33:19 my machine is challenged enough, vms are rough going for me ;) Mar 08 05:33:51 dragorn: i'm just learning LR, but yeah - most of the people I follow (good photographers) swear by it Mar 08 05:34:36 whats so special about lightRoom Mar 08 05:34:40 never used it, ever Mar 08 05:35:02 well, for the price it seems to give you lots of tools: DAM and basic localized editing Mar 08 05:35:08 g00s: yeah; if you're doing pro or semi-pro stuff you're going to want it. As a friend said, "it sure is nice you like open source, but if you're dropping $5k on camera gear, get the right software." Mar 08 05:35:24 StingRay_: It's for photo retouching/balancing/sharpening Mar 08 05:35:50 dragorn: i know what it is Mar 08 05:36:01 I just cant imagine good tools for any of that Mar 08 05:36:04 StingRay_: I don't understand the question then Mar 08 05:36:07 that compare to PS Mar 08 05:36:12 now, about LR vs PS - even the pros use LR as much as they can and then drop into PS only when necessary Mar 08 05:36:38 it's complementary. You can do a lot of the same things, but LR is more photography oriented than digital image editing oriented Mar 08 05:37:34 dragorn: i was reading some stuff my Michael Frye, who curates the Ansel Adams collection - and he describes how he uses PS the way Adams used the analog lightroom. very interesting indeed - but even he uses LR for many things Mar 08 05:38:25 g00s: It's good software. Pretty much anything you do will benefit from some color temperature tuning and some sharpening, at the minimum. Mar 08 05:38:39 dragorn: i have high expectations for this book also http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Negative-Processing-Lightroom-Photoshop/dp/0321839579 Mar 08 05:38:56 which i have not yet read; but the complimentary version is coming out soon also Mar 08 05:39:08 (The Digital Print) Mar 08 05:40:42 g00s: snapseed on android is surprisingly good for LR-ish things too. At least, I find it very handy when combined w/ a wifi-sd card on a point and shoot, if I'm not going to lug the SLR Mar 08 05:41:19 i wonder what will come of the rest of Niks' software now that google bought them Mar 08 05:41:31 i wanted to get Silver FX Mar 08 05:41:37 g00s: lack of raw editing on android is a problem tho Mar 08 05:42:03 hm Mar 08 05:42:21 g00s: i love it so far, only problem... no sure if its fixable. being a windows user i liked the exit button on the top right rather than top left ;) but i'm guessing i could get used to it or use a quick exit shortcut Mar 08 05:42:32 the mouse also seems a bit ... off... Mar 08 05:42:47 yeah i liked MS mouse dynamics the most of any platform Mar 08 05:42:49 and most importantly, i dislike the menu bar is there anyway to adjust it to the bottom? Mar 08 05:43:19 the guys in #ubuntu could help - i haven't used it in a very long time, try just dragging it to the bottom Mar 08 05:43:45 mhmm kk tys Mar 08 05:43:57 were you ever able to make it similar to MS? Mar 08 05:44:06 mouse dynamics? dont think so Mar 08 05:51:20 hey guys, you know where i can get an archive of google io 2012 powerpoint slides? i'm having a hard time finding them :/ Mar 08 05:52:12 it's basically formatted like this dl.google.com/googleio/2010/android-android-ui-design-patterns.pdf Mar 08 05:52:17 but i can't seem to trace it Mar 08 05:53:17 oh, it seems only the 2010 slides are available online :/ Mar 08 05:53:28 you know where i can get em romainguy? Mar 08 05:59:04 does anyone have a website that attracts freelancers and interested getting money or %sales for advertising? Mar 08 06:04:56 please try some other chatrooom relipse Mar 08 06:15:29 Hey Guys, I'm trying to add a PIN to my app, how could I reliably know when my apps goes in background Mar 08 06:16:18 I don't want to show PIN when move between activities Mar 08 06:16:27 but when he relaunches it Mar 08 06:52:26 g00s: i think im going to use xubuntu instead Mar 08 06:52:58 yeah, i went back and forth. really, there wasn't much memory usage difference between the 2. Mar 08 06:53:28 but you may get better support from vanilla ubuntu; i think xubuntu has less users - at the time it was like a weird stepchild Mar 08 06:58:21 now i have this question about Ubuntu Phone; it uses QML/Qt … but i recall commercial Qt licenses costing bucks. So, if you're a dev and want to write a paid app, do you have to also pay for a Qt license O.o Mar 08 07:00:06 g00s: heh, I had a change of plans, having an extra phone screen on Monday and only then going for on-site Mar 08 07:00:18 g00s: not anymore Mar 08 07:00:33 p_l: is the process still moving forward? Mar 08 07:00:43 process is going forward Mar 08 07:00:50 as for Qt, it's LGPL'ed now Mar 08 07:01:02 ok, good ;) more time to finish your Concrete Math book haha ! Mar 08 07:01:38 g00s: I supposedly passed the SWE phone screen very well, the next one is with SET (Software Engineer in Test) Mar 08 07:01:50 \o/ Mar 08 07:06:56 heh. I just had to move someone in G+ circles because he made my stream NSFW :D Mar 08 07:07:36 ... damn, it doesn't work retroactively Mar 08 07:07:41 just close your G+ account, problem solved forever ! Mar 08 07:08:07 oh man, i wonder if that would disqualify one from interviews Mar 08 07:08:32 it wouldn't Mar 08 07:08:43 unless you show them that stream while *in* the interviesw Mar 08 07:10:17 anyway, it was the right kkind of NSFW :3 Mar 08 07:13:11 * p_l just went through it and +1'd every single post Mar 08 07:13:32 have been developing android apps for a couple months, looking for someone to work on a side project with, anyone have anything they need done that a beginner can handle? Mar 08 07:13:36 p_l: tree style tabs has enabled in me a new level of dysfunction, now being able to organize tabs better - i have more open :/ Mar 08 07:14:25 g00s: Wait for the faces of people when you tell them that you open 30 tabs in 15 seconds Mar 08 07:14:39 hehe Mar 08 07:21:16 i just made my longest facebook post ever. and it was about google. Mar 08 07:23:18 will your longest G+ post be about FB ? :) Mar 08 07:23:30 no Mar 08 07:23:35 symmetry :) Mar 08 07:23:44 i might just put the same post on g+ Mar 08 07:25:57 g00s are you in my circles Mar 08 07:26:13 canadiancow: i cant be, i dont have a G+ account :O Mar 08 07:26:22 ... Mar 08 07:26:25 sigh Mar 08 07:26:27 .. Mar 08 07:26:44 at least not one that i know about :D Mar 08 07:26:53 * g00s goes to check Mar 08 07:28:18 doesn't checking create one? Mar 08 07:28:27 "Join Google+ by creating your public profile" … so i dont think i have one Mar 08 07:28:44 k then you will never see my longest post :P Mar 08 07:28:52 :( Mar 08 07:29:02 alex_PP, no, they disproved heisenberg the other day Mar 08 07:29:07 obviously i dont have FB either :D Mar 08 07:29:20 thats not obvious Mar 08 07:29:27 but i dont add random internet friends to fb Mar 08 07:29:44 again, as far as FB is concerned, maybe i do have an account i don't know about :/ Mar 08 07:29:53 (proxy) Mar 08 07:30:20 i think if my email is in somebody's contacts , and that email is not linked to a FB account, they go ahead and create a proxy for you Mar 08 07:30:28 g00s: yea they do Mar 08 07:30:34 fuckers Mar 08 07:30:50 g00s: thats why I use multiple friend's fbs :D Mar 08 07:30:59 and my e-mail is never given out :) Mar 08 07:31:43 actually, more like i dont have a stable e-mail. gets changed every couple of weeks besides corp email Mar 08 07:32:07 wow, i dont even do that :| Mar 08 07:33:10 g00s has a social networking account Mar 08 07:33:11 :P Mar 08 07:33:13 3 separate e-mails too. junk e-mail, forum/online e-mail, amazon/scthuff email Mar 08 07:33:20 www.linkedin.com/... Mar 08 07:33:44 if i ever had a fb / g+ account, i would just commission vogon poetry for it, and use it exclusively for that. Mar 08 07:34:51 g00s: ... you just signed up for "probable sacrifice in next cataclysmic event to be brushed under the carpet" Mar 08 07:35:15 p_l: :) Mar 08 07:37:52 hilarious; author writes about book sone should read to become iOS dev : all paths leads to hers :) http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2027557 Mar 08 07:38:10 nihil novi sub sole Mar 08 07:38:37 thats the ticket; write a cookbook tied to every version of iOS - guaranteed money every year Mar 08 07:41:29 what happen if i copy a sqlite database while its locked? is it possible to open it anyway or will the data be corrupted? Mar 08 07:47:24 misterli: for the best answer, maybe ask in #sqlite Mar 08 07:48:10 i think theoretically, you could get a sqlite file in a weird state (maybe some transactions have not been played) Mar 08 07:48:25 Okay Mar 08 07:48:34 but i am not sure, so check #sqlite Mar 08 07:48:52 I'm sure it's possible to fix it Mar 08 07:49:01 otherwise the db would suck Mar 08 07:49:50 misterli: http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5 Mar 08 07:50:38 Okay thanks. There is no need to write, just Read. :) Ill try that Mar 08 07:53:25 http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/03/HTCAmericaMobileSecurity Mar 08 07:53:44 "HTC’s report card from the FTC, not impressive:" F across the board Mar 08 07:54:48 i've never seen the FTC get involved in this. this is unprecedented Mar 08 08:11:28 guys Mar 08 08:11:50 do you need to close sqlitedatabase after inserting? Mar 08 08:11:55 data Mar 08 08:12:58 Xerixe: I never close my db :P Mar 08 08:13:44 g00s: But I'm getting this for some reason. android.database.sqlite.DatabaseObjectNotClosedException: Application did not close the cursor or database object that was opened here Mar 08 08:14:42 well you have to close the cursor , but you can leave the connection as is Mar 08 08:15:21 g00s: it doesn't cause resource leak? Mar 08 08:15:22 I'm closing all the cursors in finally {} Mar 08 08:15:49 Maziz: the connection? well, its complicated :| Mar 08 08:16:19 g00s: sorted out your jdk issues? Mar 08 08:16:24 6 vs 7? Mar 08 08:16:57 Maziz: hm, well i deleted oracle jdk 7 for now, but it popped up some zombie pos updater thing; i haven't seen it … since O.o Mar 08 08:17:33 java on mac sucks because of the apple / oracle handoff … especially for 10.7 users Mar 08 08:17:45 i think on 10.8, if you want java, you just go to oracle Mar 08 08:18:45 oh, maybe apple does have java for 10.8 still. ugh. well, i'm reasonably sure they won't for 10.9 ;) Mar 08 08:21:51 hmm i see Mar 08 08:22:01 but if you need jdk 7 Mar 08 08:22:05 you still gotta install it right? Mar 08 08:22:13 i just upgrade to 10.8 Mar 08 08:22:25 upgraded Mar 08 08:23:45 i think jdk 6 works smoothest with the android tools Mar 08 08:23:52 but if you already have 7, try it Mar 08 08:25:01 Maziz: SDK requirements still say 6 :( Mar 08 08:25:16 well catch it Mar 08 08:25:18 although i hear you can get 7 working with some work Mar 08 08:25:20 i use migration Mar 08 08:25:24 and migrate my account and app Mar 08 08:25:33 so…. jdk 7 and jdk 6 Mar 08 08:25:35 together Mar 08 08:25:48 and my old setting is reapply there Mar 08 08:25:56 catch it - catch is* Mar 08 08:26:02 Maziz: here you go http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1966024 Mar 08 08:26:06 parts 1 and 2 Mar 08 08:26:14 i see thanks Mar 08 08:28:31 canadiancow: dunno how things work in canada, but from what i recall here, your FB friends can influence your credit score Mar 08 08:28:53 so yeah, probably not wise to have random internet friends ;) Mar 08 08:29:06 on fb Mar 08 08:36:40 guys, anyone know where im getting Application did not close the cursor or database object when I closed all cursors for all functions? Mar 08 08:37:42 Xerixe: managing cursors in activities is very tricky. use loaders if you can. if a service, its much easier Mar 08 08:38:16 this is because of config changes and async nature of loading cursors if you are doing things right, like querying on another thread ;) Mar 08 08:42:21 m hmm.. well, it seems like that it always throw a sqlitedatabase locked exception.. Does noone know a way to unlock a database even if there is dataloosing possible? Mar 08 08:45:27 I've heard usability experts say "never replicate browser functions". Is the same true for mobile? Hence when navigated off the main page -- there's no need to put back / home / menu buttons in the header? Mar 08 08:48:06 home is ok i would think if by home you mean go to the home of the application/site and not the home of the webbrowser Mar 08 08:48:51 back seems useless and space consuming Mar 08 08:51:00 boytoy: the design guidelines speak about this; read them ;) Mar 08 08:52:58 kewl Mar 08 08:53:01 thanks guys! Mar 08 08:53:18 asfdd: dont most phones have a home button as part of their hardware? Mar 08 08:53:28 or displayed at the bottom Mar 08 08:53:43 (sometimes hide-able, or even in a PIE!) Mar 08 08:55:04 just figured out that aslong as there is a journal file it seems that the data are still in transaction and cannot be readaccessed by other connections.. Anyways, RootExplorer do the same job. It is able to open the Database (without corrupting anything) and read all data. There must a workaround.. Mar 08 08:55:54 misterli: i have a journal file as long as the db is open Mar 08 08:56:00 even if nothing is going on Mar 08 08:56:41 oh, ic. Well, aslong as its open(ed as MODE_PRIVATE) its not accessable (as said in Android SDK). Anyway, RootExplorer can do that. There must be a way. Figured out that deleting the journal file is proberbly possible but a very bad solution Mar 08 08:56:59 g00s: specifically "Set up action bars for navigation and actions" at http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/app-structure.html? Mar 08 08:57:24 yeah Mar 08 08:57:39 misterli: wut are you trying to do? Mar 08 08:57:42 well, gotta run Mar 08 08:57:59 but if you do it like this, i never have any problems /dumping/ the db http://hxcaine.com/blog/2010/09/14/backing-up-importing-and-restoring-databases-on-android/ Mar 08 08:58:04 restoring is another matter ;) Mar 08 08:58:35 specifically, see the copyFile function Mar 08 08:58:40 I've an app which should be able to access the database of another app. The app requires root privilegies to copy the database to it's own filedir. Anyway, im not sure if the copy is neccessary but it should be better to do that because the operations may take a while and all apps should be still able to access the original database Mar 08 08:58:52 misterli: root can override permissions, that's one thing, second, there's no mandatory locking enabled on majority of Android filesystems afaik Mar 08 08:59:00 (nor is mandatory locking used by sqlite, afaik) Mar 08 08:59:34 Your not supposed to declare a fragment in the android manifest are you? as calling "show()" on my DialogFragment results in the exception "unable to find explicit activity class, have you declared this activity in your android manifest xml" Mar 08 09:00:47 p_l, what do you mean by root can override permissions? should it work if i set the chmod of the database to readable by others? or do i need to delete the journal file first Mar 08 09:02:12 g00s, thanks for the link but it's only possible if the database is locked Mar 08 09:02:56 g00s: wait wait Mar 08 09:03:01 u still there? Mar 08 09:03:06 damn i lost him!! Mar 08 09:04:54 boytoy: i guess you can just ask your questions and someonw who will know the answer might answer you Mar 08 09:05:43 thanks Mar 08 09:06:57 well on my front page my header and footer have some pretty big icons.. so for my sub pages should i make a "mini" version of these icons? i.e. cram all the icons from my front page header and footer into a minified footer on my sub pages Mar 08 09:07:44 misterli: try chmodding the database to world-read/write Mar 08 09:08:02 sometimes you have to kill the journal, though - depends on version and options of SQLite used Mar 08 09:08:12 boytoy: i guess you are doing a mobile page? Mar 08 09:08:23 (or copy the SQLite file itself to temporary location, then open it) Mar 08 09:08:24 yep Mar 08 09:08:49 Did that (with root). cat ORIGINALDATAASE >> COPIEDDATABASE but the copied seems to be corrupt Mar 08 09:09:13 boytoy: your question is pretty much like 'what car should i buy', ofc iconize your images can be a way to safe space Mar 08 09:09:39 but in general the overall design should fit, and with just a question what size you should make your icons noone here can give a valuable answer Mar 08 09:09:56 general advice: don't try to waste too much space with headers and footers on mobile pages in general Mar 08 09:12:07 pretty good advice thanks a lot man Mar 08 09:12:30 its a pretty general advice :) Mar 08 09:12:52 but in design you can hardly say "do this small part that way" without knowing the rest Mar 08 09:13:14 a more design related compare (not a car compare) would be 'which color should i make my menu' Mar 08 09:13:18 yeah ... ehm :D Mar 08 09:14:54 yup :D Mar 08 09:15:10 hey what are some *great* apps? Mar 08 09:15:18 apps or websites? Mar 08 09:15:25 both preferably Mar 08 09:15:38 that showcase the best of android-based design Mar 08 09:15:38 apps: google plus app Mar 08 09:15:55 google apps in general are pretty good Mar 08 09:16:14 hmm.. Mar 08 09:16:21 lemme think a bit :) Mar 08 09:16:33 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ideashower.readitlater.pro Mar 08 09:16:53 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flipboard.app Mar 08 09:17:22 oooh Mar 08 09:17:27 p_l, just not got it. Do you think RootExplorer will set the chmod of the file to a READABLE state before opening? Mar 08 09:17:30 liking what i see there!! Mar 08 09:17:38 in general: search youtube for "Android design in action" its the weakly broadcast by 'the google design guys' Mar 08 09:17:47 they also do a lot of redesign and show how an app could look better Mar 08 09:17:53 and explain a lot why things are the way they are Mar 08 09:18:01 notrmally its grouped by app type Mar 08 09:18:02 misterli: RootExplorer probably doesn't give a fuck and just opens it... as root Mar 08 09:18:29 My app has rootpermissions aswell. Root is required to access /data/data and yes, i'm doing a remount before to make the folder readble/writeable.. but same effect Mar 08 09:18:35 cool cool Mar 08 09:18:35 boytoy: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQDHT0qmN8 this does redsign on fitness apps Mar 08 09:18:46 good mobile webvpages ... hmm Mar 08 09:18:57 i only can think up one (but its german: www.sueddeutsche.de) Mar 08 09:19:03 misterli: are you running SQLite as root, though? Mar 08 09:19:17 Oh, ein deutscher :-) Mar 08 09:19:21 (opening it using SQLite apis in Android framework doesn't) Mar 08 09:19:29 timroes: i guess the question on everyones mind is.. what do u think of facebook's new design? :) Mar 08 09:19:36 the rest looks like pretty bad iOs designs, so that would be another tip: don't try to fake iOS design pixel by pixel, try to create an own unique style) Mar 08 09:19:47 mobile app or mobile page? Mar 08 09:19:58 yeah that ios look is out Mar 08 09:20:17 p_l, what do you mean running SQLITE as root? I use the SQIteDatabaseHelper/SQLIte* Packages to access it. The app itself has root,y es Mar 08 09:20:26 too many gradients, can i get a yaye Mar 08 09:20:32 timroes: well in general Mar 08 09:20:32 ... then you are not accessing the file as root Mar 08 09:20:50 unless your DVM instance has UID0 (not doable through su) Mar 08 09:21:26 http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/07/hands-on-with-the-new-facebook-and-its-boredom-killing-feeds-tctv/ Mar 08 09:21:29 Ive really no idea how i should access the file as root. I could chmod777 to it before readind ;-) Mar 08 09:21:37 misterli: you could Mar 08 09:21:52 boytoy: yeah the app is not as good as it could be (from design and coding) the mobile webpage i am not sure, i ever used it :D but in general yeah its a bit to "glas" looking in my opinion. E.g. the mobile page I linked you above uses also gradients, but keeps a pretty simple still powerfull design Mar 08 09:22:06 or you could talk over pipe to /system/xbin/sqlite (or was it /system/bin?) run from su shell Mar 08 09:22:40 awesome Mar 08 09:22:46 yea gonna check those out, just need some sleep first Mar 08 09:22:51 been up all night css'ing :P Mar 08 09:23:03 boytoy: ah the app i guess i never used it on a tablet :D i don't log so often into faceboko, since its anyway only bullshit in my stream. I keep a close look on G+ where a lot of useful topics are everyday, but facebook i can just see with whom my sisters are together again or not, and pictures in front of mirrors, really who want to see that bullsh** Mar 08 09:23:12 barely keep my eyes open.. fuck Mar 08 09:23:12 ah, didnt know there's /usr/xbin/sqlite3 Mar 08 09:23:26 haha yeah i feel that Mar 08 09:23:45 mainly bullshit in my stream too Mar 08 09:23:51 cool you have a buncha sisters? Mar 08 09:24:09 3.. Mar 08 09:24:16 protective brother huh :P Mar 08 09:24:24 kind of, am the largest one in the family Mar 08 09:24:41 (oldest, though also laragest :D) Mar 08 09:24:42 * p_l thinks he would need to be protective of his lil' sis boyfriends actually... Mar 08 09:24:47 hehe Mar 08 09:25:05 my lil sis doesnt want anything to do with me Mar 08 09:25:10 boytoy: one android design in action episode, that could be especially usefull for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHirwKGEfoE Mar 08 09:25:23 its mainly about app design, but also for css responsive design is absolutely important Mar 08 09:25:31 oh yeah cool Mar 08 09:26:07 been thinking a bit about that stuff.. like where do my desktop website's responsive css end and mobile website begin etc. Mar 08 09:26:10 cheers Mar 08 09:31:22 great stuff.. Mar 08 09:37:22 p_l, remount /system and run sqlite as root didnt work. remount, chmod777 and then run sqlite as root worked ;) Mar 08 10:02:43 Hey! I want center a relativelayout within another relativelayout (which is my full screen). I can only get it to center at the top Mar 08 10:02:59 I want it to be centered both vertically and horizontally Mar 08 10:03:42 Hello, Mar 08 10:04:44 dandre: Hello, Mar 08 10:04:57 Is there any way to create a customized Backup Transport to allow backups to other storage providers Mar 08 10:05:11 dandre: yes, that's how adb backup is implemented Mar 08 10:05:30 not sure how practical it is at the moment for "normal" applications to implement, though Mar 08 10:06:24 do you have any doc on how to do that? Mar 08 10:14:24 What I am trying to do is an android application that iss een as backu transport provider on the android device to allow applications to backup remotely on my server. adb backup seem to do backups only for usb connected devices Mar 08 10:20:30