**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 10 02:59:58 2013 Mar 10 03:01:33 great Mar 10 03:01:50 I'm actually starting to understand things work Mar 10 03:01:55 to the point that I don't have to google things up Mar 10 03:02:08 of course I still have many things that I need to learn and check up online. Mar 10 03:03:39 I actually published an application yesterday Mar 10 03:03:47 took android 2 hours to publish it Mar 10 03:03:51 *play store Mar 10 03:10:09 :-) Mar 10 03:10:24 any non test downloads? Mar 10 03:17:24 yeah Mar 10 03:17:26 2 Mar 10 03:17:36 i have 4k on my other app Mar 10 03:17:37 legitimaet Mar 10 03:17:40 15k total Mar 10 03:17:50 but I lost the key so I can't update it :( Mar 10 03:18:34 SpeedEvil: what about you ... do you have any applications on the market you can show? Mar 10 03:19:00 alas no Mar 10 03:19:27 anyone have a good recommendation of a minimalist path to learning enough java and then android to write apps for someone that knows procedural languages? Mar 10 03:19:34 Are you working on a project? Mar 10 03:20:00 not here. no time to learn it all. Mar 10 03:20:28 SpeedEvil: Any projectects not even android related? Mar 10 03:20:49 making nexus 7 dock Mar 10 03:21:01 perhaps nexus 4 wireless charger Mar 10 03:22:04 SpeedEvil: DAMN with hardware and shit? Mar 10 03:22:04 anyone? Mar 10 03:22:17 yes Mar 10 03:22:27 SpeedEvil: I would love to work with physical stuff but I won't know where to begin with Mar 10 03:22:34 *what Mar 10 03:22:40 or where Mar 10 03:22:47 would a devlopment board help? Mar 10 03:23:09 I'd recommend 'the art of electronics' 2nd edition, Horowitz and hill Mar 10 03:23:19 also, lurk ##electronics Mar 10 03:23:46 wow 1989 Mar 10 03:24:32 the fundamental s have not changed Mar 10 03:25:05 channel is not moderated but it appears none of my text goes to the channel. :( Mar 10 03:25:06 stuff has got rather smaller, lower power and more complex though Mar 10 03:26:13 you need to register with nickserv Mar 10 03:26:22 did you see my text? Mar 10 03:26:29 or are you talking to someone else? Mar 10 03:26:32 verxion: yes Mar 10 03:26:36 WOOT! Mar 10 03:26:40 http://freenode.net/faq.shtml Mar 10 03:26:44 something was happening where no one could see what I typed Mar 10 03:26:51 anyone have a good recommendation of a minimalist path to learning enough java and then android to write apps for someone that knows procedural languages? Mar 10 03:26:54 pooh, nvm Mar 10 03:27:08 SpeedEvil: so in college woudl I still have to take that basic information Mar 10 03:27:15 or would it be more related ot what we have today Mar 10 03:27:24 Im a junior in highscool Mar 10 03:27:34 and am goign to start to take college courses during summer Mar 10 03:27:43 basically, you've got to understand transistors, resistors, ... Mar 10 03:28:00 otherwise you get into trouble Mar 10 03:28:04 SpeedEvil: Yeah Ill get into that stuff Mar 10 03:28:14 SpeedEvil: I know what they are but I don't understand how they work Mar 10 03:28:19 thanks for telling me about this Mar 10 03:28:30 I'm actually inspired Mar 10 03:28:36 and Might get into electroincs soon Mar 10 03:28:36 thanks Mar 10 03:28:42 ##electronics is good for lurking Mar 10 03:28:43 :-) Mar 10 03:28:53 Im going for dinner ill be back though ... once again thanks... ohh btw... I joined the channel Mar 10 04:38:50 hey guys, so I was wondering do you have jobs as android developers? Mar 10 04:39:31 If so was your employer looking for university degeres? Mar 10 04:39:33 *degrees Mar 10 04:46:25 hey guys, so I was wondering do you have jobs as android developers? Mar 10 04:47:09 most android devs moonlight Mar 10 04:47:25 (they have jobs doing something else, and then do this after work) Mar 10 04:48:16 ah I see Mar 10 04:48:46 i cant find the link/data at the moment Mar 10 04:48:46 because i'm graduating with a computer science degree soon but I'm probably only going to get a 2:2 Mar 10 04:48:57 2:2 ? Mar 10 04:49:01 because i screwed up last year Mar 10 04:49:09 g00s: yeah, it's the uk university grading system Mar 10 04:49:21 it goes 1st, 2:1, 2:2, third, fail Mar 10 04:49:34 ah, k Mar 10 04:50:40 which sucks Mar 10 04:50:47 it's cos I messed up last year Mar 10 04:51:47 you finished though ? Mar 10 04:51:59 i will be done this summer Mar 10 04:52:10 but i'm pretty sure i'll be getting a 2;2 Mar 10 04:52:31 k. well, dunno about UK, but here in the US i dont recall too many companies asking for your GPA ;) Mar 10 04:52:46 Google may have; Garmin does, but dont recall many others Mar 10 04:52:51 so most devs have normal jobs and develop on the side? does it get them the income? Mar 10 04:53:22 no, what i meant before - is most devs have normal jobs as devs ;) and do android on the side Mar 10 04:54:16 Yeah, I'm assuming companies here who dont ask for your grades in their requirements would ask eventually but hopefully not Mar 10 04:54:26 dont get too consumed about android; its just poking some apis. mobile is mostly BS; it will be synonymous with regular computing soon Mar 10 04:54:32 g00s: ah I see, so getting a job as normal devs doesn't require a degree right? Mar 10 04:54:54 yeah Mar 10 04:56:42 coco89: if you're not happy with your GPA, give people other things to look at. like maybe a project on git or something Mar 10 04:56:52 i think places have trouble filtering out applicants. a degree is one indicator an applicant meets some standard. high grades is another. some side project they can show case is another. activity on stackoverflow or github is another. etc, etc. Mar 10 04:57:11 yeah, its one signal Mar 10 04:57:45 i was reading the other day that CS enrollment in the us was up like 30% and many of those people are expected to go on for advanced degrees; so there probably won't be a shortage of CS people Mar 10 04:57:59 in 3-4 years Mar 10 04:59:54 coco89: also, dunno if you guys use LinkedIn over there much, but a nice thing about school is establishing a nice network Mar 10 04:59:56 that's bad news for me if the same applies to uk Mar 10 05:00:13 g00s: true Mar 10 05:00:19 so its important to keep those relationships Mar 10 05:01:12 one may argue, that the only value in going to Yale / Harvard - because the edu isn't really that much better than any other good school - is the network Mar 10 05:02:15 anyhow, even if you have a low GPA, the CS degree is a signal you have grit and stick to it, so congrats Mar 10 05:02:35 any degree, actually Mar 10 05:02:50 yeah thanks :) Mar 10 05:03:30 i'm just worried how i'm going to compete with all the rest, I guess experience and networking like you say is one way i just need to get my foot in the door somehow Mar 10 05:09:15 coco89: how to be successful is a pretty big topic ;) if i figure it out sometime i'll let you know Mar 10 05:10:35 coco89: really, the thing now that academia is almost over for you, is managing your career. and it will need constant management Mar 10 06:07:56 anybody know how to center elements horizontally inside a gridview? Mar 10 06:37:34 hi. one question: I have an AsyncTask doing some HttpGet, and I want to upload some data immediately after it finishes. Should it be possible to .execute() the same task again from its onPostExecute()? Mar 10 06:37:47 because this seems to crash (because that task is still running?) Mar 10 06:45:46 asynctasks cannot be used more than once. you can create a new one in onPostExecute, or just add the work before the end of your doInBackground method Mar 10 07:00:58 kevinb: oh, thanks Mar 10 07:01:06 then i have to restructure this a little bit :) Mar 10 07:05:53 Is there a common convention when it comes to intent actions? should we have a final static variable? (can that even be read from the android manifest?) Mar 10 08:18:15 "Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT), the world’s leading provider of open source solutions, today announced it has transitioned into a leadership role for the OpenJDK 6 project, effectively extending support for the technology and its users.", i guess thats kinda good for us android devs ;) Mar 10 08:35:50 g00s: I see what you mean about accounts/contacts Mar 10 08:38:49 StingRay_: the content providers ? Mar 10 08:39:23 no Mar 10 08:39:29 thats all ok Mar 10 08:39:36 locked databases are not Mar 10 08:39:50 e.g. FaceF*ck Mar 10 08:39:58 or F*ckBook Mar 10 08:40:47 I need an entire facebook sdk to read a field that they lock for contact picture when they hijack it Mar 10 08:40:53 and I just refuse Mar 10 08:41:01 <--- not a happy "bunny" Mar 10 08:43:36 Silly question but how do I load the SDKTester.apk onto my test device? Just drag it into a certain folder? Mar 10 08:44:56 apple741: hlj a Mar 10 08:44:59 oops Mar 10 08:45:10 apple741: your wanting to "install and apk" ? Mar 10 08:46:08 StingRay_: Hey, yeah I think so, it seems I need to do this to test IAP ,"Find the SDKTester.apk file in the tools directory of the SDK Archive, and load the app onto your test device or emulator." Mar 10 08:46:41 http://bit.ly/13N9GBi Mar 10 08:46:43 :) Mar 10 08:48:28 ah ok lol thanks StingRay_ Mar 10 08:48:40 It seems I need to download a Apps Installer application Mar 10 08:50:02 did you read the top link ? Mar 10 08:50:22 copy/move to device and click it, or do adb install ? Mar 10 08:50:30 * StingRay_ gives up Mar 10 08:51:09 Sorry StingRay_ , I only got as far as 'Installing Applications Through the Android Market' on that first link :) Mar 10 08:51:53 tis ok, I'm in a mood Mar 10 08:52:05 and thinking of ways to destroy facebook Mar 10 09:05:28 Oh! let's kill twitter also Mar 10 09:06:16 And Betty White ... but that's a personal matter Mar 10 09:06:57 some people just want to watch the world burn :D Mar 10 09:08:34 StingRay_: i think there is comething called 'chips' api to get contact picture Mar 10 09:08:53 i have no idea :) Mar 10 09:09:15 not from fb synced contact info Mar 10 09:09:19 I doubt that very much Mar 10 09:10:11 ah, ok Mar 10 09:10:39 it would still need a app key, tied to a fb developer account Mar 10 09:10:51 which is just silly Mar 10 09:18:04 StingRay_: just show a picture of a bunny for everybody Mar 10 09:23:19 im developing a game that needs the fling gesture to move the main character, ive googled for solutions and i found that some uses the onTouchListener basically calculating the on mouse up and down coordinates difference and acting accordingly, however there's lag in almost all the solutions i found, is is possible to have a reasonable fling gesture responsiveness on android? Mar 10 09:23:33 well you know the daft thing, if I could get facebook user_id from contacts I could do my own blob sql store of all the thumbs Mar 10 09:24:26 anny__: are you doing that off the ui-thread cause it shouldn't cause much lag really Mar 10 09:25:50 StingRay_: well i think the gesture detection and the rendering (GLSurfaceView) are done on the same thread Mar 10 09:38:19 I've finally managed to install my apk with a success message from terminal, but I can't locate it on my device? Mar 10 09:39:21 At the end it says 'pkg: /data/local/tmp/AmazonSDKTester.apk' Mar 10 09:39:30 But the actual data folder is empty Mar 10 09:41:38 AmazonSDKTester, huh ? Mar 10 09:42:03 its in /data/app Mar 10 10:23:44 StingRay_: as an artist, what version control system do you use? curious, since its mostly binary blobs presumably Mar 10 10:23:59 not at all Mar 10 10:24:08 I have in my time used most Mar 10 10:24:21 alienbrain/perforce even lots of custom ones Mar 10 10:24:47 eg Framestore, the mill, double negative etc, all use their own Mar 10 10:25:17 as not many (well mabye 1) are orientated towards shots/nightlies etc Mar 10 10:25:22 dailies Mar 10 10:26:00 and many need to work over the special fiber secure network that you have between either games studios or vfx houses Mar 10 10:26:21 so reliance on a system that you dont control is most of the time considered a no no Mar 10 10:26:26 why you ask ? Mar 10 10:27:20 oh, just wondering … even with photo editing, having checkpoints, works in progress, etc Mar 10 10:27:28 alienbrain used to be very good at art integration Mar 10 10:27:54 d3d/renderware/psd/png etc had many tools for those formats Mar 10 10:29:19 interesting, thanks Mar 10 10:29:20 but at the end of the day, you can pay upwards of 100k per year for like 600 users for a system that does 80% of what you want, or you can pay a DB and Software guy £50k split to do your own and maintain it Mar 10 10:29:32 so it really does depend Mar 10 10:30:26 a good example is MotorStorm Mar 10 10:30:34 rushing for release title status Mar 10 10:30:46 and have major issues working on environments Mar 10 10:30:54 as in the scope and amount of objects Mar 10 10:31:13 so you kinda need a database driven variable LOD/representation Mar 10 10:32:01 so you have to do that yourself really, and do integrations so that in a DCC package I can load areas, where objects can be full objects, variable all the way down to a point and custom icon Mar 10 10:32:19 and so that people can work on same track, area, section at once Mar 10 10:32:29 solution was, spec and write your own Mar 10 10:32:33 :) Mar 10 10:33:18 :O Mar 10 10:34:09 I dont think I'm young enough to grasp these " :o " Mar 10 10:34:20 is that eyes with an open mouth or a nose ? Mar 10 10:34:35 doesn't your chat client turn it into something ? Mar 10 10:34:44 no, and neither would I want it to Mar 10 10:34:47 :) Mar 10 10:34:47 i meant it as "holy shit!" Mar 10 10:34:51 oh Mar 10 10:35:20 well If you think about it, a track may consist of 10+ sq miles Mar 10 10:35:40 100,000 + secondary objects Mar 10 10:35:49 terrain sclupting info Mar 10 10:35:57 5,000 + shaders Mar 10 10:36:12 and constitute raw data of well over 10GB per track Mar 10 10:36:43 what content package allows you to work with 10gb files while rendering it realtime for visualization Mar 10 10:36:48 none Mar 10 10:37:02 cause the RAW rendering data and info would be 10x that Mar 10 10:48:12 man, is amazon.com down again in the US ? or limping .. i'm starting to doubt their abilities Mar 10 10:48:31 and whether I should every go for their cloud services Mar 10 10:50:45 StingRay_: what VC are you using for your android project ? Mar 10 10:51:09 mercurial Mar 10 10:51:16 ;) Mar 10 10:51:46 backed on NAS drive and bitbucket Mar 10 10:52:01 so I can take macbook pro out and continue Mar 10 10:52:02 :) Mar 10 10:52:51 sure. i haven't used hg. i used svn and now git which i'm kinda ambivalent about Mar 10 10:53:00 although my server allows access to my office NAS, but bitbucket seemed more convenient Mar 10 10:53:35 well, if it works, does what you want Mar 10 10:53:37 who cares Mar 10 10:55:06 When prompting the user to review our app do we need to supply any sort of app id? Mar 10 11:41:51 hi Mar 10 11:42:00 I don't know why this app refuses to play my video; I shot the video using the phone's camera and then used it in my res/raw to play it in this app, http://pastie.org/6440528 Mar 10 11:43:01 I keep getting "Can't play this video"; I tried webm, mp4, mov, etc.. Mar 10 11:43:39 Sicp: is that how you load things out of RAW resources ? Mar 10 11:44:30 I've used that way to play audio and it works Mar 10 11:46:19 how can i see the content of /dev/input files? Mar 10 11:46:27 Hello, i wrote my custom DialogFragment (http://pastie.org/private/ueilvoqug80ogsvd2zxtq) and now i would need to intercept when it is closed. Looks like the listener set with setOnCancelListener is not be called. Any cleaner solution then intercepting back button with setOnKeyListener? Mar 10 11:46:51 s/when it is closed/when it is cancelled by the user :) Mar 10 11:47:37 rciovati: onDismiss() ? Mar 10 11:47:58 cancel will only be if the dialog is er...cancelled Mar 10 11:48:07 back will most likely dismiss it Mar 10 11:52:34 thanks StingRay_, onDismiss makes much more sense but looks like it is still not called when you hit back Mar 10 11:53:12 wait, I would probably wrong Mar 10 11:53:46 gonna say, if it didn't dismiss it, it would still be there :) Mar 10 11:54:37 Why are the flags in onstartcommand always 0, even when I set them explicitly? My service is already running. Does that have anything to do with it? Mar 10 11:55:00 StingRay_: i tried setting setOnDismissListener to the dialog but I saw later the onDismiss method of the DialogFragment Mar 10 11:55:11 this is the answer to the problem I posted above about video not playing, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3609219/trying-to-play-video-from-raw-folder-videoview Mar 10 11:55:18 URI was incorrectly constructed Mar 10 11:58:46 StingRay_: the problem of onDismiss is that is called also when you hide the dialog programmatically... Mar 10 11:58:59 yeah Mar 10 11:59:02 course Mar 10 11:59:10 whenever it's "dismissed" Mar 10 12:00:50 How can I clear the whitelist of USB debugging RSA keys on 4.2.2? Does this new security feature also apply if I configured adbd on my device to listen over TCP/IP? Mar 10 12:02:06 ok so I probably didn't explained correctly what i need. With the AlertDialog you can intercept when the dialog is cancelled by the user (not just dismissed). I would need to intercept this inside a FragmentDialog Mar 10 12:02:23 well no Mar 10 12:02:48 you just want to know if "whatever it's for" has been done or not done when onDismiss() happens ? Mar 10 12:02:58 is that not easy to work out ? Mar 10 12:05:20 ok nevermind ... after the first time I authorized my adb installation via USB, it also works over TCP/IP Mar 10 12:06:44 No, I have my simple ProgressDialog and I want to now if the user cancel it. Mar 10 12:07:27 cancel is not dismiss Mar 10 12:07:34 then have to press cancel Mar 10 12:07:43 I think your asking/thinking about it wrong Mar 10 12:07:58 you dont want to know when they cancel it Mar 10 12:08:27 you want to know if it gets dismissed without completing its purpose or canceled ? Mar 10 12:10:11 but if your wanting something different, I dont know Mar 10 12:10:16 not sure what you want Mar 10 12:11:28 Imagine you display a ProgressDialog before starting a background operation. If the dialog is closed by the user you need to abort the background operation, otherwise when the task ends the dialog is automatically closed. Mar 10 12:12:25 so you need that the callback called when the dialog is closed by the user would not be called when the dialog is closed by code. Mar 10 12:18:46 well no you dont Mar 10 12:18:54 you need to know IF it's completed Mar 10 12:19:03 and IF the dialog was dismissed Mar 10 12:19:10 with both those you know Mar 10 12:19:11 :) Mar 10 12:19:43 eg if(notfinished && dismiss){oops();} Mar 10 12:49:48 StingRay_: I can't understand your point... Mar 10 12:50:05 dont matter Mar 10 12:50:17 find another way Mar 10 12:52:22 Hi guys Mar 10 12:52:45 What happened to the Maps API? everything as working fine and just stopped working now! Mar 10 12:53:47 I have a method the I call in a Dialog Activity which is really just "NotificationService.taskHandler.removeCallbacks(NotificationService.array.get(alarmId)); NotificationService.array.delete(alarmId);". I have the same exact method in NotificationService. Should I instead just make the method static in NotificationService and call that? Mar 10 12:54:01 no map is shown, but just the grid! Mar 10 12:55:21 The code you posted is sort of cut off. Mar 10 12:55:36 Mine? Mar 10 12:55:53 nvm quacked it's just the way it pasted in chat Mar 10 12:55:58 I has happy. Mar 10 12:56:05 Ok Mar 10 12:56:28 I finally hacked together a jni binary that parses netfilter NFLOG packets and prints them in the same format as netfilter LOG Mar 10 12:56:37 * pragma- struts proudly. Mar 10 12:56:54 I have some questions on the proper use of async tasks, would anybody like to help me out? Mar 10 12:57:12 I'm sendind POST to a php app hosted on apache and I'd like to eaves dropp on the raw HTTP conversation between the two Mar 10 12:57:16 any easy way to do this? Mar 10 12:57:44 enwary, asking actual questions would probably give you answer sooner :) Mar 10 12:58:17 When you're testing IAP on your device is there a way to remove them and try again? I keep getting told I already own it but I need to test some other stuff. Mar 10 12:59:33 Thanks mavrik, my main question is I have a class that requires access to my server and essentially sends small data back and forth. For example I have a method that gets the server time and another method that inserts something into my database. Now I usually run these seperately but apparently I need to run them in an Asynctask because of the strict policy. Mar 10 13:00:14 Question is do I have to make multiple asynctasks for every different server call I want to make ie. One for getServerTime() and one for insertIntoDatabase()? Mar 10 13:12:16 enwary: yes, I would create one AsyncTask for every server call. please note that asyntasks are not very robust for that, I would look for a more robust solution :) Mar 10 13:12:38 Could you suggest a more robust solution? Mar 10 13:12:46 Just point me into the right direction Mar 10 13:13:41 https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-android/tree/master/Rotation/RotationAsync/ Mar 10 13:13:41 a Service? Mar 10 13:14:28 ah srry Entvex Mar 10 13:14:28 yea Mar 10 13:14:33 enwary: take a look at RoboSpice Mar 10 13:14:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXn3Kg2IQE&list=PL73AA672847DC7B35 <-- watch that enwary Mar 10 13:14:52 O.o Mar 10 13:15:13 in 4.0 is it possible to turn off accessibility altogether? Mar 10 13:16:26 I'll take a look at that video and robospice thanks Mar 10 13:17:29 IceKiller was that Async Rotation link meant for me? Mar 10 13:17:51 I'm trying to debug my android native application, I have setup the envrionment with nvidia's tegra development and rooted my phone so gdb can connect. However now since it loads shared libraries from the phone itself which don't have debugging symbols the debugging stops Mar 10 13:18:10 or hangs rather Mar 10 13:18:43 is there a way to say not to try to debug for instance "Could not load shared library symbols for libGLESv1_CM_POWERVR_SGX540_120.so."\ Mar 10 13:49:15 i was drawing a think line on a canvas with setStrokeJoin and setStrokeCap to Round. I updated the project's sdk to 15 and now the lines are not drawn with round edges anymore. What's going on? Mar 10 13:50:11 better yet, it works when i draw to an offscreen bitmap, but not when i draw to my custom view's canvas Mar 10 13:52:37 this trick doesn't work, the video still restarts when the orientation changes, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7383791/android-video-restarted-with-orientation Mar 10 13:52:46 any idea why? or how I can stop that? Mar 10 13:54:07 what length of the code lines do you guys use nowadays? Mar 10 14:02:32 100, in some projects because of the coding style 120. Mar 10 14:07:34 whatever does not look too long Mar 10 14:45:03 how could i get a list of all unicode chars that when stripped of diacritics, yield a char in the range of [a-z] ? Mar 10 14:48:54 osxorgate: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1453171/n-n-n-or-remove-diacritical-marks-from-unicode-cha there are some (usefull) hints Mar 10 14:49:11 cheers Mar 10 14:49:33 i'm trying to avoid using Normalizer since that forces api level 9 Mar 10 14:49:54 okay then i can't help :D Mar 10 14:49:59 if you try addressing below api9 Mar 10 14:52:19 in the end i am only interested in a-z, so i thought if i can find out all chars that for example resolve to 'a', i can just replace them Mar 10 14:54:40 osxorgate: ofc you can do that Mar 10 14:54:47 thats what this do mainly Mar 10 14:54:54 ofc you can also create a list by hand Mar 10 14:55:03 wish you lots of fun with that :P Mar 10 14:55:13 well all i need is a list of all chars :) Mar 10 14:55:24 and then i call normalize() Mar 10 14:55:29 a million times Mar 10 14:56:09 its not that easy :) Mar 10 14:56:28 e.g. would you count the german ö as an o? Mar 10 14:56:38 in this case, yes Mar 10 14:56:41 i mean we have both letters, and they are different letters :D Mar 10 14:56:46 in future i will make it 'oe' Mar 10 14:56:49 Æ Mar 10 14:56:54 is it an A or an e? :) Mar 10 14:57:07 I'm unable to get a v1 debug key for google maps api here. https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/v1/maps-api-signup Mar 10 14:57:07 it need not be perfect Mar 10 14:57:25 napster: ... Mar 10 14:57:27 Can some one send your debug key which is used to generate a maps key? Mar 10 14:57:40 napster: read the top most colored note box Mar 10 14:57:43 i am scraping pages for words to stuff in a puzzle, this 'ae' will get dropped for now, maybe in future i will use 'ae' Mar 10 14:57:59 timroes: Yeah, I know about the deprecation. Mar 10 14:58:03 hmm okay their date says 18.3. :D i guess they canceled it beforehand Mar 10 14:58:13 "This means that from March 18th, 2013 you will no longer be able to request an API key for this version." Mar 10 14:58:45 timroes: yeah, do you have a debug keystore on your PC you used to generate a maps key? Mar 10 14:58:48 so you have 8 days time to figure it out :D Mar 10 14:58:58 :D lol Mar 10 14:59:12 I have one hour to fix this map issue here! Mar 10 15:00:24 napster: and the next time you will have a problem, 8 days later, you wont be able to fix it anymore :) Mar 10 15:00:31 you should better upgrade to new maps api Mar 10 15:00:50 but just tested it generates a key if i enter something Mar 10 15:00:53 timroes: I can use 8 days to upgrade, but this is more urgent~ Mar 10 15:01:14 v2 is not perfect yet unfortunately Mar 10 15:01:25 v1 neither Mar 10 15:01:27 Hi. I have an xml database stored in res/xml/database.xml that I am using with my app. What is the correct way to access it in my code? Mar 10 15:02:13 as in, how should I fetch its location to pass to new FileInputStream(); Mar 10 15:02:47 osxorgate: Maybe it would help if you told us why you need to normalize so often. Mar 10 15:02:48 haqe17: you can get the xmlpullparser from getResources().getXml)( Mar 10 15:02:55 Could it be a XY problem? Mar 10 15:03:18 XY Problem http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341 Mar 10 15:03:25 kakazza: i make a puzzle with letters from [a-z] but the input is unknown yet Mar 10 15:03:26 if you need the fileinputstream you might want to store it in assets or raw folder Mar 10 15:03:45 ah i just saw XY on stackoverflow Mar 10 15:03:58 sadly my browser is crashing on wikipedia's list of unicode chars right now ;0 Mar 10 15:04:01 And you're afraid people would supply "à" instead of a? Mar 10 15:04:21 kakazza: that's why i want to normalize it, without using Normalizer (api 9) Mar 10 15:04:48 timroes: xmlpullparser? is there android documentation for this, I have just been reading about Stax right now and was going to use the jaxp libraries Mar 10 15:05:08 http://developer.android.com/reference/org/xmlpull/v1/XmlPullParser.html Mar 10 15:05:15 other option: somehow grab normalizer's code and stash it in my app Mar 10 15:05:18 xmlpullparser works very similiar to sax parsers Mar 10 15:05:19 so far no success with that Mar 10 15:05:58 Do you use EditTexts? You could only allow [A-Za-z0-9] as an input to begin with Mar 10 15:06:10 timroes: ooooh thanks I think this will make my life a lot easier Mar 10 15:06:19 kakazza: no i grab a webpage Mar 10 15:07:07 kakazza: but i still want anything with accent to just drop the accent Mar 10 15:07:21 (dunno how to type something like that) Mar 10 15:07:38 å -> a Mar 10 15:09:33 and i'd rather not instantly lose 10% of possible users Mar 10 15:09:47 i think that is funny somewhat Mar 10 15:09:57 funny? Mar 10 15:10:05 i like to ask ppl in that case since often they have a webpage if they tested their webpage for colorblind users? Mar 10 15:10:26 because in fact that are double as much as users of android api 8 and below Mar 10 15:10:55 and most of the ppl running (even professional) webpages haven't tested their webpage on that, but wine about using api 9 instead of 8 (what is often lowest atm) Mar 10 15:10:55 ah i think i understand Mar 10 15:11:35 What is your minSdk> Mar 10 15:11:43 well colorblind ppl will certainly enjoy my app Mar 10 15:12:04 has anyone ever had problems with setVisibility()? Mar 10 15:12:14 osxorgate: minSdk 8? Mar 10 15:12:16 currnetly 9, but could be lower Mar 10 15:12:31 (since i use Normalizer against my will) Mar 10 15:12:40 i could use 8 or maybe 4 Mar 10 15:13:34 Hmm, I'd focus on getting it to work with minSdk 9 and deliver to 90.4% of the market and then, once your app is out and people began installing it, worry about backporting to API 8. Mar 10 15:14:35 API8 and below is 9.6%, by the time your app is out, probably even less. I do appreciate that you try to deliver to 100% of the market, but 90% if pretty good. Especially if you're the only developer. Mar 10 15:14:55 yeh i see your point Mar 10 15:15:02 it's gnawing at me though Mar 10 15:15:33 I get that. We're developers after all. We don't usually like 90% if we could have 100% ;) Mar 10 15:15:49 also my phone is 2.2 so i'd like to show ppl on my own phone :) Mar 10 15:16:02 Oh, you're on 2.2 yourself, heh Mar 10 15:16:21 i have a 2.3 device and a n7 but the 2.3 phone really sucks Mar 10 15:16:28 (alcatel :) Mar 10 15:16:47 Alcatel is still in business? Mar 10 15:16:55 I haven't seen one of their phones in year. Mar 10 15:16:58 years* Mar 10 15:17:03 dunno i won it at a hackathon in august Mar 10 15:17:11 cool Mar 10 15:17:19 Wait, in 2012? Mar 10 15:17:28 lol yes Mar 10 15:17:34 >_>" Mar 10 15:18:33 might be a reason, why noone knows they are still in business :D Mar 10 15:18:56 http://vhackandroid.wikia.com/wiki/Food! Mar 10 15:30:51 If I show a toast, and then finish the activity, the toast remains on the screen forever... how can I fix that? Mar 10 15:34:43 Hey guys..!! I am trying to implement listview for some data retrieved via a sqlite db.. I am using cwac-loaderEX.. and just managed to get the callback 'onLoadFinshed' working when my app resumed crashing.. this time with the message 'column _id does not exist' as soon as the concerned activity is started.. can anyone help..? Mar 10 15:39:48 So, I have the following view: http://pastebin.com/hH8e6FxT As it stands, the TextView does not show; if I remove the a:id from the TextView, it reappears. Why does having an ID cause my TextView to vanish? Mar 10 15:44:01 does anyone from the google staff know if travor johns is sometimes in this channel (or currently) with what nick? Mar 10 15:44:14 trevor* Mar 10 15:44:29 LOL! What "google staff"??? Mar 10 15:44:53 o.O? Mar 10 15:45:35 :0 Mar 10 15:45:54