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Apr 11 03:31:40 <canadiancow> wat
Apr 11 03:47:13 <BJfreeman> Installed the latest Eclipse version of the Android Sdk in a forum and instruction given was   right click your project -> Android Tools -> Fix project properties
Apr 11 03:47:28 <BJfreeman> I can't find that what am I missing
Apr 11 03:48:10 <BJfreeman> the project menu does not show Android tools
Apr 11 03:58:05 <ioNull> not only sdk
Apr 11 03:58:16 <ioNull> you should install eclipse plugins
Apr 11 04:00:21 <ioNull> BJfreeman have you install these plugins: https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ ECLIPSE->HELP->INSTALL NEW SOFTWARE
Apr 11 04:04:38 <BJfreeman> thanks
Apr 11 04:07:42 <c|oneman> how do cookies work in WebView? Apparently they are not shared with the browser...
Apr 11 04:18:01 <bankai_> can someone explain to me why ANTI_ALIAS_FLAG has no affect on Paint when HardwareAcceleration is on?  I have to disable hardware acceleration to get smooth lines when drawing a Path
Apr 11 04:19:53 <rburton-> Trying to find an interesting way to inform the user that the application is posting their message, but I don't want it to be hardcore in your face.
Apr 11 04:20:43 <g00s> a couple of years ago, i would have said "toast!"
Apr 11 04:20:48 <g00s> now, not so sure
Apr 11 04:20:49 <Fall> ;]
Apr 11 04:20:55 <rburton-> ;)
Apr 11 04:21:10 <JesusFreke> rburton-: a plane that flies across the screen, trailing a banner
Apr 11 04:21:14 <Fall> Toast is still fairly non-intrusive as far as the user is concerned
Apr 11 04:21:17 * JesusFreke ducks
Apr 11 04:21:19 <rburton-> with a cat!
Apr 11 04:21:22 <Fall> imho.
Apr 11 04:21:37 <g00s> or a cat riding across the screen on a monocycle
Apr 11 04:21:58 <Fall> wearing a monocle.
Apr 11 04:22:13 <rburton-> Monocoles rock!
Apr 11 04:22:16 <Fall> ;]
Apr 11 04:22:39 <JesusFreke> You could package up my penrose tiling view, and say "here's a nice penrose tiling for you to watch while you wait"
Apr 11 04:22:56 <JesusFreke> oo. maybe you could have a rotating penrose tiling
Apr 11 04:23:03 <rburton-> Well the request should be fast, but I don't want to lock the user up to look at the screen.
Apr 11 04:23:30 <rburton-> e.g., hit submit - kick async request off (tiny visual that the file + post is uploading) and then let the user do other stuff
Apr 11 04:23:52 <JesusFreke> that sort of thing is normally done via a notification
Apr 11 04:24:05 <rburton-> notifiation?
Apr 11 04:24:16 <JesusFreke> yeah. like when you download a file in chrome
Apr 11 04:24:18 <rburton-> I don't want a dialog box or anything like that. I'll use toast for now
Apr 11 04:24:27 <JesusFreke> It just shows a notification in the notification bar
Apr 11 04:24:39 <JesusFreke> no, not a dialog box. a notification :)
Apr 11 04:24:54 <JesusFreke> those things in the top left :)
Apr 11 04:25:09 <JesusFreke> and then once it's finished, the notification goes away
Apr 11 04:25:24 <JesusFreke> unless it's really short lived
Apr 11 04:25:29 <JesusFreke> in which case, that probably doesn't make sense
Apr 11 04:25:30 <g00s> i thought notifications when the UI was available were generally frowned upon
Apr 11 04:26:56 * JesusFreke shrugs
Apr 11 04:27:05 * g00s shrugs
Apr 11 04:27:11 <JesusFreke> I try to stay away from doing UI stuff as much as possible :)
Apr 11 04:27:12 <rburton-> I'll just use Toast then customize it
Apr 11 04:27:27 <g00s> JesusFreke: did you say you rode a monocycle ?
Apr 11 04:27:32 <JesusFreke> unicycle
Apr 11 04:27:41 <JesusFreke> but yes
Apr 11 04:27:44 <g00s> ah, damn, a cat on a unicycle :D
Apr 11 04:27:56 <rburton-> ;)
Apr 11 04:27:59 <JesusFreke> I don't think my cats would cooperate
Apr 11 04:28:05 <JesusFreke> :p
Apr 11 04:28:57 <g00s> start them off on Segways
Apr 11 04:29:10 <g00s> have to lower the bars a little ;)
Apr 11 04:31:38 <g00s> hmm, according to this, Play 4 should be available on Froyo
Apr 11 04:31:43 <g00s> but i dont see it
Apr 11 04:33:27 <g00s>  looking at the perms for Play - i would never install it from anyone else "Services that cost you money: send SMS messages" wut
Apr 11 04:33:46 <g00s> "Phone Calls" read phone state and identity
Apr 11 04:33:56 <g00s> same ol same ol, why are these needed? may as well not even tell me
Apr 11 04:34:20 <kevinb> it might be a shared uid with the system or something
Apr 11 04:34:28 <kevinb> well read phone state and identity i imagine it is using for identity
Apr 11 04:34:53 <g00s> but it also has "Your Accounts" … so i thought it would use that for identity
Apr 11 04:35:27 <kevinb> probably both
Apr 11 04:36:17 <g00s> as linus would say, this fails the mom test
Apr 11 04:36:25 <Abhijit> hey guys this is my xml for button http://codepad.org/GPFlwf9q and this is definition of login method http://codepad.org/2qMfbDwB it is giving me error that can not find method login.
Apr 11 04:36:26 <Abhijit> help please
Apr 11 04:36:52 <Abhijit> ??
Apr 11 04:36:56 <Abhijit> what mom test?
Apr 11 04:37:52 <Abhijit> g00s, can you please elaborate?
Apr 11 04:37:57 <Abhijit> what am I doing wrong.
Apr 11 04:38:49 <BJfreeman> ioNull did the new install as well as loaded from the SDK manager but no such menu selections
Apr 11 04:39:15 <BJfreeman> and also reboot elclipse
Apr 11 04:40:16 <Abhijit> BJfreeman, you talking to me?
Apr 11 04:41:17 <BJfreeman> I was addressing ioNull but willing to take advice from anyone
Apr 11 04:50:48 <Abhijit> hey guys this is my xml for button http://codepad.org/GPFlwf9q and this is definition of login method http://codepad.org/2qMfbDwB it is giving me error that can not find method login.
Apr 11 04:58:21 <tnzr> Abhijit: why does login() take a View as a parameter?
Apr 11 04:59:33 <Abhijit> tnzr, dont know. new to dev. thats what i seen in most samples on internet
Apr 11 05:00:28 <tnzr> I guess it's supposed to when you use the XML onClick
Apr 11 05:00:50 <Abhijit> yeah i have written in .xml file android:onClick="login"
Apr 11 05:01:02 <tnzr> using eclipse?
Apr 11 05:01:05 <Abhijit> yes
Apr 11 05:04:00 <tnzr> you could make your activity implement View.OnClickListener
Apr 11 05:04:10 <tnzr> then override the onClick method
Apr 11 05:04:27 <tnzr> then just set your button's onClickListener to the activity
Apr 11 05:04:51 <tnzr> is that button in the activity_main.xml ?
Apr 11 05:05:54 <maven> Can I do the android development with the openjdk?
Apr 11 05:22:51 <bankai_> i think google suggest oracle's java
Apr 11 05:25:28 <Abhijit> tnzr, yes
Apr 11 05:42:07 <freeroute> hi, I want to compile a .apk file from source (specifically, Google Authenticator). So if I understood this correctly (from this thread - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4600891/how-to-build-apk-file), do I have to have something like Eclipse and the ADK emulator running?
Apr 11 05:43:11 <freeroute> also, in case that I have to have Eclipse, is it as easy as just opening the source files inside of Eclipse?
Apr 11 05:45:30 <Leeds> you don't necessarily need eclipse
Apr 11 05:45:41 <Leeds> and you don't need the emulator unless you plan to run the compiled app on it
Apr 11 05:46:58 <Leeds> I think you probably mean SDK rather than ADK...
Apr 11 05:47:30 <Leeds> you *do* need the basic SDK tools, but you can compile on the commandline with ant rather than in the GUI with eclipse, if that's your thing
Apr 11 05:47:33 <Leeds> freeroute: ?
Apr 11 05:48:11 <freeroute> Leeds: I guess, so what then would be the easiest way for me to just compile the source code (https://code.google.com/p/google-authenticator/source/checkout?repo=android) into an apk?
Apr 11 05:48:28 <freeroute> if I can do it with just a commandline utility then that's perfect
Apr 11 05:48:41 <Leeds> you grab the SDK and install the basic tools through it
Apr 11 05:48:41 <freeroute> that means I don't have to install all of those things
Apr 11 05:48:48 <Leeds> you'll need the Sun/Oracle JDK
Apr 11 05:50:24 <freeroute> ok, so I need the SDK and Sun/Oracle Java installed. After I've done that, what should I run (in the commandline)?
Apr 11 05:51:33 <JesusFreke> wait. is google authenticator open source?
Apr 11 05:51:46 <JesusFreke> oh, I guess it is
Apr 11 05:51:49 <JesusFreke> huh. nevermind :)
Apr 11 05:52:02 <JesusFreke> I didn't think it was, for some reason
Apr 11 05:52:03 <Leeds> a version of it apparently is/was
Apr 11 05:52:16 <Leeds> not the current version
Apr 11 05:52:48 <JesusFreke> freeroute: http://developer.android.com/tools/projects/projects-cmdline.html
Apr 11 05:53:01 <Leeds> freeroute: depending on exactly what was provided in the source bundle, you may need to use the "android update" command to generate local build files
Apr 11 05:53:14 <Leeds> then you just "ant debug" and start fixing build errors :)
Apr 11 05:53:36 <freeroute> uh oh... and why exactly would there be build errors? :p
Apr 11 05:53:49 <freeroute> with a pristine app like Google Authenticator?
Apr 11 05:54:08 <JesusFreke> freeroute: it's a universal law
Apr 11 05:54:13 <Leeds> eh, there are always build errors
Apr 11 05:54:22 <JesusFreke> nothing compiles the first time without build errors
Apr 11 05:54:26 <Leeds> particularly when the code is coming from somewhere like Google - those guys suck
Apr 11 05:55:02 <freeroute> do I... do I have to know Java in order to fix build errors?
Apr 11 05:55:04 <Leeds> really more of an iOS house, with the odd port to Android
Apr 11 05:55:15 <freeroute> oh lol
Apr 11 06:39:31 <abnormalreply> approximately how long would it take to build 4.2 with one thread and 4GB of RAM?
Apr 11 07:01:25 <g00s> ugh, seems like global supply of rice is contaminated with lead
Apr 11 07:08:43 <meetoman> hey guys
Apr 11 07:10:14 <wilee-nilee> g00s, moderate to high in arsenic as well.
Apr 11 07:19:17 <g00s> wilee-nilee: only bacon is safe
Apr 11 07:20:12 <wilee-nilee> g00s, Thank god you know, there is a donut place where I live that has maple bars with bacon mmmm so good. ;)
Apr 11 07:21:21 <capella> http://www.foodinsight.org/Resources/Detail.aspx?topic=Questions_and_Answers_about_Arsenic_in_Food_and_Beverages
Apr 11 07:21:30 <capella> :D
Apr 11 07:21:38 <capella> Theres good and bad kinds
Apr 11 07:21:55 * Chainfire just got an invite to I/O w00t
Apr 11 07:23:09 <g00s> cool Chainfire
Apr 11 07:24:22 * alex_PP wants to go to IO
Apr 11 07:24:27 <alex_PP> *sad face*
Apr 11 07:27:26 <g00s> alex_PP: do they have any extended i/o's by you ?
Apr 11 07:28:12 <alex_PP> in cambodia?
Apr 11 07:28:18 <alex_PP> i doubt it
Apr 11 07:28:20 <g00s> really extended :)
Apr 11 07:32:20 <alex_PP> over extended :P
Apr 11 07:32:43 <alex_PP> i suspect i personally know all the android devs in this country
Apr 11 07:33:38 <g00s> alex_PP: do you sell prints of your photography? you had some really good stuff
Apr 11 07:34:01 <hetii> Hi :)
Apr 11 07:34:15 <alex_PP> nope
Apr 11 07:34:26 <alex_PP> never really thought about
Apr 11 07:34:27 <alex_PP> it
Apr 11 07:34:36 <g00s> alex_PP: i'm reading this, its very good http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Fine-Photography-Alain-Briot/dp/1933952555
Apr 11 07:34:52 <g00s> but its fine art photography
Apr 11 07:35:48 <alex_PP> sure it all applies
Apr 11 07:36:42 <alex_PP> for a while i wanted to become a war photographer
Apr 11 07:36:51 <alex_PP> then i decided breathing was more fun
Apr 11 07:36:57 <alex_PP> than not
Apr 11 07:38:40 <g00s> alex_PP: if you are still into that, you may enjoy this (caught my eye because its unique) http://www.peachpit.com/store/photojournalists-field-guide-in-the-trenches-with-combat-9780133257892
Apr 11 07:40:11 <alex_PP> very interesting
Apr 11 07:43:21 <xviv> Guys, I'm about to work with this API but I have no idea what should I do with my httpclient. https://github.com/cloudapp/api/blob/master/upload-file.md
Apr 11 07:44:48 <xviv> Any clue?
Apr 11 07:46:18 <Leeds> alex_PP: come to extended in HK
Apr 11 07:47:40 <alex_PP> that's not a terrible idea
Apr 11 07:47:47 <alex_PP> linky?
Apr 11 07:49:32 <alex_PP> hmm, there appears to be 2
Apr 11 07:49:42 <alex_PP> one in town and one in the new territories (?)
Apr 11 07:50:49 <Leeds> the guy(s) organising it got a bit confused
Apr 11 07:51:16 <Leeds> there isn't one in the middle of the countryside, just the one in Kwun Tong
Apr 11 07:51:26 <alex_PP> oh, ok
Apr 11 07:51:41 <Leeds> AFAIK, anyway
Apr 11 07:51:58 <Leeds> if you check, the address is actually the same on both, just that the map has put it somewhere random
Apr 11 07:52:04 <alex_PP> i just saw
Apr 11 07:52:07 <alex_PP> shame
Apr 11 07:53:01 <Pitel_IPEX> can I somehow name asyntask? so I will see something better then "AsyncTask #1" in ddms/logcat?
Apr 11 07:53:08 <Leeds> you'd prefer to be in the middle of nowhere?
Apr 11 07:53:21 <alex_PP> might be fun
Apr 11 07:53:46 <Leeds> kwun tong is pretty middle of nowhere for me - not my end of town :)
Apr 11 07:53:52 <alex_PP> ha
Apr 11 07:54:50 <alex_PP> midlevels?
Apr 11 07:54:50 <Leeds> not really the sort of area where nice expats live...
Apr 11 07:55:00 <alex_PP> that's where all the whities hanf out isn't it?
Apr 11 07:55:05 <alex_PP> *oops
Apr 11 07:55:10 <alex_PP> *hang out
Apr 11 07:55:11 <Leeds> haven't lived in midlevels since 2006 or so
Apr 11 07:56:05 <alex_PP> the best bit about the midlevels is you can earn octopus credit just for turning up!
Apr 11 07:56:24 <alex_PP> i was very impressed by octopus, less so that it dodn't have an android app
Apr 11 07:56:29 <Leeds> I've gone - relatively - local, been living in Sheung Wan for years now
Apr 11 07:56:40 <Leeds> there's an official balance/history app out now
Apr 11 07:56:59 <alex_PP> i was hoping for some NFC action
Apr 11 07:57:08 <Leeds> right, uses NFC to read your card
Apr 11 07:57:18 <Leeds> what is sorely lacking is a phone-as-card app
Apr 11 07:57:31 <alex_PP> that's what i was after
Apr 11 07:58:59 <Leeds> I've been saying for the past 18 months that I desperately hope that somewhere behind closed doors, Google people are phoning Octopus people every day and begging them, offering to cover the costs, do whatever it takes to get at least a couple of phones certified as soft cards
Apr 11 08:00:07 <Leeds> if they came out on the day the S4 is released here and said "oh, by the way, you can use it as an Octopus card, it's a 100% replacement" they'd sell a million phones in a month
Apr 11 08:00:07 <alex_PP> would be a good shot in the arm for NFC and android
Apr 11 08:01:09 <alex_PP> so, this IO extended lark, now I've ticked maybe, what else do I do
Apr 11 08:01:21 <alex_PP> is there any sugn up, ot do i just turn up?
Apr 11 08:01:30 <alex_PP> *sign or?
Apr 11 08:01:38 <Leeds> just turn up... you could drop the organiser a line if you wanted
Apr 11 08:01:45 <skyred> I put an custom AdapterView inside a ScrollView, then the ScrollView doesn't scroll anymore, any debugging tips?
Apr 11 08:01:54 <Leeds> erm, you know it's pretty much a viewing party for the keynote, right?
Apr 11 08:02:03 <alex_PP> yeah
Apr 11 08:02:10 <alex_PP> be nice to talk to people though
Apr 11 08:02:15 <Leeds> yup
Apr 11 08:02:31 <alex_PP> and i like HK, any excuse for a jolly, especially if I can get work to pay
Apr 11 08:02:38 <Leeds> that would be nice
Apr 11 08:03:24 <Leeds> let me know, we can have beer
Apr 11 08:03:56 <alex_PP> i'll start the ball rolling
Apr 11 08:04:01 <alex_PP> can take a while
Apr 11 08:11:11 <skyred> can AdapterView be used in ScrollView?
Apr 11 08:13:30 <StingRay_> skyred: you mean the result of getView / bindView etc ?
Apr 11 08:13:43 <StingRay_> tis just a view, so you can use it really how you want
Apr 11 08:14:27 <skyred> StingRay_, in layout, I have a custom adapterView (without implementing scroller), and I want to put it in a ScrollView, however, it doesn't scroll
Apr 11 08:29:09 <StingRay_> so your after a listView inside a scroll view ?
Apr 11 08:29:35 <StingRay_> @ skyred
Apr 11 08:30:07 <skyred> StingRay_, not a ListView, that I know. It's a custom view extending AdapterView
Apr 11 08:30:08 <Lite_> When two bluetooth devices are paired - Does this mean that they are currently connected to each other?
Apr 11 08:39:58 <gmag> Hi. I wonder if there is any mechanism of knowing if my Activity is running. The device will always be connected to a computer. I thought about sending periodic messages to logcat and capture these messages on my PC and check if it is alive. But since I am using MediaPlayer, I don't think I can put a Log.d() somewhere in its "main loop"... (Confusing?) Should I rephrase my question?
Apr 11 08:46:53 <gmag> I mean, I could have a different thread running and somehow signaling it is alive, but this won't work since the app may hang, and the thread will still be signaling it is alive...
Apr 11 08:58:10 <lapdis> how can I list which apps that listen for a specific intent?
Apr 11 09:00:38 <capella> gmag adb shell dumpsys activity with a grep somehow?
Apr 11 09:08:49 <Quacked> morning
Apr 11 09:09:47 <Quacked> I suck at graphic stuff but what do you think of this icon for a crossword helper? http://bildr.no/image/1436043.jpeg
Apr 11 09:10:28 <lapdis> Norwegians don't really do crosswords, sorry.
Apr 11 09:10:51 <lapdis> the graphic is ok
Apr 11 09:10:58 <Quacked> old Norwegians do ;)
Apr 11 09:11:21 <Quacked> you have any suggestions for improving it?
Apr 11 09:11:38 <lapdis> nah, I suck at graphics as well. I can only say that I find it to be ok :P
Apr 11 09:11:46 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 11 09:15:44 <StingRay_> Quacked: what do you mean stuck ?
Apr 11 09:15:52 <StingRay_> thats your icon ?
Apr 11 09:19:56 <Quacked> StingRay_: suck, not stuck :P
Apr 11 09:20:03 <Quacked> but yes, thats my icon
Apr 11 09:21:19 <StingRay_> not really a fan of it I have to say
Apr 11 09:21:21 <StingRay_> sorry  :(
Apr 11 09:21:37 <StingRay_> too many things are, dirty/wrong ' ish
Apr 11 09:21:46 <StingRay_> again sorry to say
Apr 11 09:22:17 <Quacked> dont be
Apr 11 09:22:22 <Quacked> what do you think its wrong with it?
Apr 11 09:22:29 <Quacked> is*
Apr 11 09:22:49 <StingRay_> erm, dont hate me (cause I'm a designer) but most/all of it
Apr 11 09:23:00 <StingRay_> as in every aspect almost
Apr 11 09:23:10 <Quacked> haha.. give me a few tips :)
Apr 11 09:23:34 <StingRay_> ok there is no defined features
Apr 11 09:23:37 <Quacked> I'm not a designer so I just tinker i photoshop
Apr 11 09:23:43 <StingRay_> not clear bevel/or shadown
Apr 11 09:23:49 <StingRay_> shadow*
Apr 11 09:24:02 <Quacked> I have a drop shadow at 90 degrees angle
Apr 11 09:24:08 <StingRay_> the drop shadown on text is very odd in color/contrast specially for that size
Apr 11 09:24:13 <StingRay_> or intended size
Apr 11 09:24:19 <Quacked> yeah, Im adjusting it as we speak
Apr 11 09:24:23 <StingRay_> not sure about font choice
Apr 11 09:24:25 <Quacked> I realized it was way too black for isntance
Apr 11 09:24:44 <Quacked> I want the font choice for the black writing, but the blue im uncertain for as well
Apr 11 09:24:44 <StingRay_> dividing lines are a bit ugly
Apr 11 09:24:57 <StingRay_> it looks dirty at the bottom
Apr 11 09:25:12 <StingRay_> basically it very, erm….. not designed :)
Apr 11 09:25:50 <Quacked> I don't know why the lines appear ugly, I just set them with the line tool in PS
Apr 11 09:26:08 <Quacked> the blue font was attended to look hand written
Apr 11 09:26:12 <Quacked> intended*
Apr 11 09:27:11 <StingRay_> well it's hard to say, but it's just dont look right, have you looked at it when it's 48x48 ?
Apr 11 09:27:23 <StingRay_> or at any of the different sizes ?
Apr 11 09:27:28 <StingRay_> cause I doubt it will work
Apr 11 09:28:24 <Quacked> the lines you mean? yeah, they look jagged at smaller res
Apr 11 09:28:37 <Quacked> I don't know how to fix that
Apr 11 09:28:50 <StingRay_> well no, it's all of it
Apr 11 09:28:55 <StingRay_> not just lines
Apr 11 09:29:05 <Quacked> tried to fix the drop shadow a bit here: http://bildr.no/image/1436046.jpeg
Apr 11 09:29:14 <StingRay_> my guess is text will be illegible
Apr 11 09:29:20 <StingRay_> and will look more dirty
Apr 11 09:29:31 <Quacked> yeah, it doesnt look great
Apr 11 09:30:02 <StingRay_> normally you do logo design based on media/symbolism
Apr 11 09:30:21 <StingRay_> rather than attempting a practical visual representation
Apr 11 09:30:29 <StingRay_> well in this case (app design)
Apr 11 09:30:38 <Quacked> yeah, but I couldnt think of a good idea for a crossword helper
Apr 11 09:30:59 <Quacked> I initially added a question mark to the icon.. but it didnt really look good
Apr 11 09:31:51 <StingRay_> one of the most important things though, is designing something that will look good at the most common size
Apr 11 09:32:29 <Quacked> yeah. At first I tried showing like 10 squares in the icon. Quickly realized that was a no go
Apr 11 09:32:29 <Quacked> :D
Apr 11 09:33:05 <StingRay_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80096154/1436046.png
Apr 11 09:33:53 <Quacked> here is how it is on my home screen now: http://bildr.no/image/1436049.jpeg
Apr 11 09:34:13 <StingRay_> yeah not good
Apr 11 09:34:30 <timroes> sad fact: most often these kind of ppl don't hire deisgners to do them a good icon
Apr 11 09:35:20 <Quacked> timroes: I'm not gonna hire a designer for an app that was made in a few days :)
Apr 11 09:35:41 <Quacked> and I want to learn some of the basics
Apr 11 09:36:14 <timroes> btw whats that for an terrible launcher you use with that bottom line?
Apr 11 09:36:35 <Quacked> Nova
Apr 11 09:37:32 <Quacked> Just went away from Go because it was too slow
Apr 11 09:37:56 <Quacked> StingRay_: I dont think it looks horrible if there was a way to clean out the font to look better
Apr 11 09:38:29 <StingRay_> ok, totally disagree, but we have different views/backgrounds :)
Apr 11 09:38:42 <timroes> I will second StingRay_
Apr 11 09:38:45 <Quacked> :D
Apr 11 09:39:09 <joar`> inset drop shadow doesn't look good.
Apr 11 09:39:30 <StingRay_> every element in there does not look good
Apr 11 09:39:33 <joar`> most of your applications just have rounded corners with a 1px outline of a something color
Apr 11 09:39:37 <StingRay_> forget shadows
Apr 11 09:39:51 <StingRay_> Quacked: can I see your app ?
Apr 11 09:39:57 <timroes> forget the square, forget the small fonts, forget the dropiing shadows
Apr 11 09:40:21 <StingRay_> as in screenshots
Apr 11 09:40:26 <joar`> some have unidirectional gradients that go across the entire icon
Apr 11 09:41:00 <timroes> sad is how icons that could have been done pretty great with some changes (PocketCloud in that case) are ruined by putting them in the iOS square
Apr 11 09:41:13 <joar`> except dropbox, which isn't square and has a lot of unidirectional shadowing
Apr 11 09:41:17 <Quacked> two secs
Apr 11 09:42:11 <Quacked> http://bildr.no/image/1434517.jpeg
Apr 11 09:42:22 <joar`> Quacked: if you want a good icon for android, follow the Google examples. The Dropbox icon is also good.
Apr 11 09:43:08 <Quacked> joar: yeah, for some reason the google+ icon has drop shadow but the rest dont
Apr 11 09:43:47 <StingRay_> google is the most programmer orientated design examples you can find, they are not good or consistent
Apr 11 09:43:58 <Quacked> hah
Apr 11 09:44:20 <StingRay_> their design guides are based not on design, or even practical user driven choices
Apr 11 09:44:32 <StingRay_> they are just a collection of uniform ideas
Apr 11 09:44:37 <StingRay_> trust me on this :)
Apr 11 09:44:44 <joar`> trust him on this
Apr 11 09:44:45 <Quacked> I don't doubt you ;)
Apr 11 09:44:50 <StingRay_> although tis only my opinion
Apr 11 09:44:51 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 09:45:17 <StingRay_> well I can offer loads of examples on why they are wrong from a design and practical pov
Apr 11 09:45:21 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 09:45:23 <joar`> How do you make a great icon?
Apr 11 09:45:42 <Quacked> StingRay_: as you see on that last link I let holo take care of everything
Apr 11 09:46:00 <StingRay_> joar`:  by being in vfx/art for 17 years… you ?
Apr 11 09:46:17 <joar`> What about http://panic.com/
Apr 11 09:46:54 <joar`> StingRay_: Yeah, but there should reasonably be some common gotchas. I'm trying to find information.
Apr 11 09:47:18 <StingRay_> oh well thats always based on interpretation and context
Apr 11 09:47:20 <StingRay_> eg
Apr 11 09:47:26 <StingRay_> there is no ideal icon
Apr 11 09:47:42 <StingRay_> there is only a good/ideal icon for the purpose
Apr 11 09:48:02 <StingRay_> and unless every purpose was the same, and all puprposes were in the same context etc
Apr 11 09:48:15 <joar`> icons seems to be very susceptible to outside effects such as context, cultural differences in perception etc.
Apr 11 09:48:25 <StingRay_> indeed
Apr 11 09:48:33 <Quacked> StingRay_: is it possible to get the font easier to read in smaller sizes or does it simply have to be larger?
Apr 11 09:48:37 <StingRay_> there is only a few common things to consider
Apr 11 09:48:57 <StingRay_> a ) has to be of quality, comparable to other icons that the user sees
Apr 11 09:49:05 <joar`> Quacked's app provides a way to find words when you're at loss.
Apr 11 09:49:09 <StingRay_> b ) has to stand out and have pallets and contrast that work
Apr 11 09:49:23 <StingRay_> c ) has to symbolize in some way the apps ident/purpose
Apr 11 09:49:58 <StingRay_> every other aspect should be driven by either brand or function
Apr 11 09:50:00 <joar`> Quacked: How do you illustrate a missing word?
Apr 11 09:50:01 <StingRay_> imho
Apr 11 09:50:45 <Quacked> joar: instead of the list I show a textview saying not found etc
Apr 11 09:51:48 <StingRay_> btw you dont try an illustrate something missing :)
Apr 11 09:52:10 <StingRay_> but rather the action you would take to "find"
Apr 11 09:52:32 <StingRay_> missing (given context) is a hard thing to draw  ;)
Apr 11 09:53:54 <StingRay_> and if you do want to symbolize missing, it has to be very obvious to user/viewer … and in this case I would think that very hard to do
Apr 11 09:54:08 <StingRay_> whereas the action that you perform is not hard
Apr 11 09:56:04 <Quacked> im not sure he meant "illustrate"
Apr 11 09:56:19 <Quacked> think he just wondered how I notified the user when nothing is found :P
Apr 11 09:56:29 <StingRay_> oh
Apr 11 09:56:35 <StingRay_> I'm in design mode :)
Apr 11 09:56:40 <Quacked> hehehe
Apr 11 09:56:50 <StingRay_> </designer>
Apr 11 09:56:55 <Quacked> but is it possible to get the font easier to read in smaller sizes or does it simply have to be larger?
Apr 11 09:56:56 <StingRay_> <developer>
Apr 11 09:57:02 <Quacked> switch back ;)
Apr 11 09:57:02 <joar`> Quacked: I meant that, I was talking about the icon :)
Apr 11 09:57:15 <StingRay_> offs
Apr 11 09:57:21 <StingRay_> </dev>
Apr 11 09:57:25 <StingRay_> <designer>
Apr 11 09:57:44 <Quacked> joar: aha.. well, I don't as you can see ;)
Apr 11 09:57:48 <joar`> gah, <developer></dev> that's a validation error
Apr 11 09:58:01 <StingRay_> see, more a designer than dev  ;)
Apr 11 09:58:07 <joar`> almost as bad as a missing  end paren (I hate that
Apr 11 09:58:52 <Quacked> joar`: I had this earlier: http://bildr.no/image/1436053.jpeg
Apr 11 09:59:11 <Quacked> basically just showing an empty crossword
Apr 11 09:59:14 <joar`> Quacked: I was saying it more as "Think about how you would illustrate the purpose of your application and fit it in an icon"
Apr 11 09:59:29 <Quacked> joar: I understood :)
Apr 11 09:59:37 <joar`> :)
Apr 11 10:00:02 <joar`> Alas, I have to earn my livelihood. Good luck, see you in a bit
Apr 11 10:00:48 <feesh> hey guys, am I doing something stupid with SoundPool? Entering a non-zero value for loops results in no audio being played
Apr 11 10:00:55 <Quacked> and I tried to present the "help" bit with this: http://bildr.no/image/1436054.jpeg
Apr 11 10:00:57 <feesh> if I put 0, the audio does play.
Apr 11 10:00:59 <Quacked> cya
Apr 11 10:01:13 <Quacked> StingRay_: are those last two better you think?
Apr 11 10:01:49 <feesh> SoundPool.setLoops(streamId, loopCount) as a way to try and remedy the issue also doesn't work
Apr 11 10:01:51 <jack_guru> I am trying to provide a solution for being able to run only one application from your android device. I have built a custom launcher that only presents this app, but I have yet to find a solution in order to disallow one from running an app when accessing it from the settings or something. Any ideas how to solve this?
Apr 11 10:02:25 <feesh> jack_guru, the only real way to have a 'secure' solution is to roll your own firmware image
Apr 11 10:03:15 <feesh> jack_guru, if you sign your home app with a system level cert, you can use reflection and the android.permission.STATUS_BAR permission to lock the status bar and remove items from the system UI (e.g. the recent apps button)
Apr 11 10:04:00 <jack_guru> feesh, I have thought of that but it is not for my device but for a company and they will lose their guarantee if I change the firmware
Apr 11 10:04:12 <feesh> jack_guru, I say this because I believe Diane Hackborn answered a question at a google IO which was similar to this
Apr 11 10:04:39 <feesh> jack_guru, the only other ways are hacky and don't prevent services from running etc
Apr 11 10:05:50 <jack_guru> feesh, I was hoping to achieve this by using a policy or something but I cannot find something that will block users from uninstalling apps
Apr 11 10:06:04 <feesh> look on the play store, there is an application that provides a kind of kiosk mode and it uses a bit of reflection to close the notification tray every 200ms or so to prevent people getting to settings and it also reads log cat output (which only works on some devices due to alterations to activity manager) for activity manager output to determine which applications have just been launched. It then checks a white/black list and then relaunches the a
Apr 11 10:06:04 <feesh> pplication if it detects a launch
Apr 11 10:06:17 <StingRay_> Quacked: not really bud
Apr 11 10:06:37 <StingRay_> for a visual/desgin stand there is no difference
Apr 11 10:06:44 <feesh> jack_guru, device administration apis prevent the application from being uninstalled until the application has been stripped of device administration privileges
Apr 11 10:07:18 <jack_guru> feesh, at the moment I have also installed APP Lock from google play that requires a password in order to run apps but it takes some time on boot so someone can access the settings and uninstall it until it runs
Apr 11 10:07:51 <jack_guru> feesh, let me look for this app you mentioned :)
Apr 11 10:07:55 <Quacked> StingRay_: ok
Apr 11 10:08:04 <feesh> jack_guru, I can't remember it's name, really sorry
Apr 11 10:08:30 <jack_guru> feesh, no problem, I ll look into it now and let you know if I find it
Apr 11 10:08:35 <Quacked> StingRay_: did you see my question earlier btw?  is it possible to get the font easier to read in smaller sizes or does it simply have to be larger?
Apr 11 10:08:48 <feesh> jack_guru, just don't expect something watertight and bulletproof
Apr 11 10:09:12 <feesh> jack_guru, you can only get to the point that you dismiss activities, but if an Application instance starts off services or what-have-you
Apr 11 10:09:16 <feesh> you're gonna have a bad time
Apr 11 10:10:05 <jack_guru> feesh, I don't, anyway it is not meant for experienced users, a pretty good (but not perfect) solution will work
Apr 11 10:12:06 <StingRay_> Quacked: have a look at how much type is in other icons
Apr 11 10:12:15 <StingRay_> that you consider to look nice
Apr 11 10:12:16 <feesh> jack_guru, in which case, I suggest looking into the StatusBarManager which you can get a reference of by calling getSystemService("status bar") then with a little reflection ...
Apr 11 10:12:24 <StingRay_> and then you have your answer :)
Apr 11 10:12:25 <feesh> but remember android.permission.STATUS_BAR
Apr 11 10:13:23 <Quacked> StingRay_: yeah, Im thinking of showing the old type crossword, something like this: https://lh3.ggpht.com/pW9KhMt0-4hTJEUoG1Y4tY1BCFreB-q7RMWJ4aacdWr3RkqoKn4fwBMyfio=w78-h78
Apr 11 10:13:30 <Quacked> (I just found that icon on play)
Apr 11 10:13:55 <jack_guru> feesh, yes of course.. Let me look into it, but after finding the previous app you were talking about
Apr 11 10:14:00 <Quacked> StingRay_: one idea could be to spell out H E L P in that
Apr 11 10:15:03 <StingRay_> thats ok'ish, a 4x4 grid with help looking a bit like that would be a massive improvement on what you have atm, imho
Apr 11 10:15:51 <Quacked> have to be 5x5 though. because it needs to be HJELP (stupid language) :P
Apr 11 10:16:02 <Quacked> 5x5 might be pushing it
Apr 11 10:17:00 <Quacked> here is an example of 5x5: https://lh4.ggpht.com/QJmDTfOVidTWSMSS-mg22YQWKvffbx3Ah0_JCqw5-yQGOnAa8xppAuJi-9uww0z79-Y=s0
Apr 11 10:17:18 <StingRay_> dont talk to me about languages
Apr 11 10:17:28 <StingRay_> I once did a tv show call robotwars
Apr 11 10:17:46 <StingRay_> had to do translations for different EU countries
Apr 11 10:17:54 <ciurkut> hiho guys
Apr 11 10:18:15 <Quacked> hehehe
Apr 11 10:18:17 <StingRay_> "battle board" = "the board on which battles occur"
Apr 11 10:18:19 <ciurkut> anyone familiar with the busy coders guide to android development?
Apr 11 10:18:23 <StingRay_> in some languages
Apr 11 10:18:26 <Quacked> :D
Apr 11 10:18:54 <StingRay_> and there is no shorter translation :)
Apr 11 10:19:11 <Quacked> Im gonna borrow that 5x5 and test how it looks if I put in HJELP :P
Apr 11 10:19:32 <StingRay_> not a brilliant visual for a board thought
Apr 11 10:20:34 <ciurkut> it says that DynamicDemo cannot be resolved to type
Apr 11 10:20:52 <ciurkut> https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-android/blob/master/FancyLists/Dynamic/src/com/commonsware/android/fancylists/three/DynamicDemo.java
Apr 11 10:21:01 <ciurkut> :< halp?
Apr 11 10:25:15 <Quacked> StingRay_: http://bildr.no/image/1436059.jpeg ?
Apr 11 10:25:45 <Quacked> as a starting point I mean
Apr 11 10:25:50 <StingRay_> still horrible :)
Apr 11 10:25:56 <Quacked> haha
Apr 11 10:26:08 <StingRay_> but I think your going to have to go with what YOU think looks ok
Apr 11 10:26:19 <Quacked> yeah
Apr 11 10:26:34 <Quacked> thanks for your input
Apr 11 10:29:46 <xorgate> anyone tried analytics to determine where their installs come from?
Apr 11 10:31:07 <miha> how big should menu icons be? i know it's different size for mdpi, hdpi... but what's "base" size ?
Apr 11 10:32:36 <StingRay_> miha: "base?"
Apr 11 10:32:51 <feesh> miha, launcher icons?
Apr 11 10:33:23 <feesh> 36x36 ldpi, 48 mdpi, 72 hdpi, 96 xhdpi
Apr 11 10:33:41 <miha> feesh: not launcher, menu/action menu?
Apr 11 10:34:00 <feesh> miha, you can always dig in the platforms/android-*/data/drawable-* folders
Apr 11 10:34:02 <xorgate> http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/icon_design.html
Apr 11 10:34:11 <feesh> that works too ^
Apr 11 10:34:13 <Pitel_IPEX> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/PorterDuff.Mode.html wtf is "PorterDuff"? o_O
Apr 11 10:34:35 <p_l> Pitel_IPEX: algorithm called after two guys :P
Apr 11 10:34:37 <miha> xorgate: oh, ok, doh. was looking at "supporting multiple screens" and "menu" docs
Apr 11 10:34:58 <Pitel_IPEX> p_l: thanks
Apr 11 10:34:59 <feesh> "Thomas Porter and Tom Duff."
Apr 11 10:35:14 <feesh> ThomTom would of been a better name
Apr 11 10:35:23 <thepoosh> if I have a layout, and i set it's visibility to View.GONE, and then in java set the var pointing to it to null, will it garbage collect it?
Apr 11 10:35:35 <feesh> thepoosh, no
Apr 11 10:36:01 <StingRay_> java sets the pointer to null ?
Apr 11 10:36:04 <StingRay_> really ?
Apr 11 10:36:36 <feesh> thepoosh, it's still in the view hierarchy (you can findViewById it still), so it will hang around unless you remove it from the view hierarchy
Apr 11 10:37:09 <feesh> View.GONE just means that the view won't be measured or laid out
Apr 11 10:37:12 <Pitel_IPEX> http://graphics.pixar.com/library/Compositing/paper.pdf fyi, here is the paper about compositing by those two guys ;)
Apr 11 10:37:13 <miha> thepoosh: object is garbage collectored after there are no more references to object. remove that object from ViewGroup too :)
Apr 11 10:37:19 <miha> collected
Apr 11 10:37:26 <miha> as feesh says
Apr 11 10:38:37 <thepoosh> feesh: I inflate it into a known anchor
Apr 11 10:38:56 <thepoosh> and I want to remove it without causing too much damage to the memory
Apr 11 10:39:16 <miha> thepoosh: dont set visibilty, removeView instead?
Apr 11 10:39:28 <miha> if you want to destroy it
Apr 11 10:39:34 <thepoosh> miha: I'm getting a weird nullpointerexception when trying to remove it
Apr 11 10:40:40 <miha> thepoosh: if you want help, you should paste those few lines of code somewhere
Apr 11 10:40:44 <thepoosh> miha: when I tried running root.removeView(layout), I got this crash: http://pastie.org/private/c2u9euq47yoqvxtj2vcoog
Apr 11 10:41:16 <miha> oh
Apr 11 10:41:22 <thepoosh> yes
Apr 11 10:41:36 <thepoosh> My thoughts exactly
Apr 11 10:41:52 <miha> well yes, you position some other element according to this one :p
Apr 11 10:42:00 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 11 10:42:07 <thepoosh> why would it crash?!
Apr 11 10:42:26 <thepoosh> I use this line in a different context and nothing happened
Apr 11 10:42:30 <thepoosh> just here
Apr 11 10:42:33 <thepoosh> :S
Apr 11 10:43:03 <miha> relativelayout? :p
Apr 11 10:43:12 <thepoosh> waht?
Apr 11 10:43:15 <thepoosh> *what
Apr 11 10:43:52 <thepoosh> the root element is a relativelayout
Apr 11 10:43:58 <miha> if you just remove view from linearlayout, nothing bad happens. in relative layout, some other view can have position relative to "null" one? (i dont use relativelayout much)
Apr 11 10:45:28 <thepoosh> well, the removed view is placed in a relative layout that contains 4 other relative layouts, a fragment and framelayout
Apr 11 10:46:01 <thepoosh> I have no idea what caused this, and why it doesn't happen from other places in the code (when I run the exact same code)
Apr 11 10:47:07 <thepoosh> miha: any thoughts?
Apr 11 10:58:40 <Ankhwatcher> Will a service cancel a previous request when it recieves a new one?
Apr 11 10:58:50 <feesh> thepoosh, what you just described gave me goosebumps! I'm out!
Apr 11 10:59:07 <thepoosh> feesh: the layout?
Apr 11 10:59:22 <thepoosh> I have a crazy product manager...
Apr 11 10:59:24 <feesh> relative layout, with 4 other relative layouts, a fragment and ...
Apr 11 10:59:33 <feesh> WE'RE NOT DONE YET!
Apr 11 10:59:45 <thepoosh> :D
Apr 11 11:01:08 <xviv> How do I finish() an activity from another class? because I set the listener on my adapter :|
Apr 11 11:01:29 <thepoosh> xviv: do you have a context?
Apr 11 11:01:38 <thepoosh> feesh: I'm sorry
Apr 11 11:01:40 <thepoosh> O_O
Apr 11 11:01:47 <thepoosh> please come back here and love me
Apr 11 11:01:53 <feesh> hmm
Apr 11 11:02:43 <freeroute> does anyone have a checksum of the latest google authenticator? you know... for like... authenticity purposes?
Apr 11 11:03:10 <belgianguy> are there any good rules on data retention fetched from XML/JSON?
Apr 11 11:03:18 <thepoosh> feesh: any idea why this will trigger a nullpointerexception in one place but not in a different one in the code?
Apr 11 11:03:20 <belgianguy> it's rather static (eg updates once a week or so)
Apr 11 11:03:37 <belgianguy> so I was wondering if caching it on the device would be okay,
Apr 11 11:05:49 <Leeds> belgianguy: surely it entirely depends on what the data is?  if - say - it's weather data, it'll be rather out of date in a week
Apr 11 11:06:31 <Ankhwatcher> you'll have to come up with your own rules
Apr 11 11:08:10 <Pitel_IPEX> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/drawable/BitmapDrawable.html#getBitmap() this will get me bitmap without applied colorfilters, right? but I want bitmap after filters are applied. how to do that?
Apr 11 11:08:51 <Pitel_IPEX> or... I have a grayscale icon, and want to tint it to some colors. and I need to get Bitmap.
Apr 11 11:08:57 <belgianguy> Leeds: true, but it's data that's fresh for quite some time, not the weather :)
Apr 11 11:08:59 <g00s> belgianguy: can you be more vague :)
Apr 11 11:10:01 <Ankhwatcher> belgianguy: well could the application learn how often it updates and check for it when it expects new content?
Apr 11 11:10:03 <belgianguy> g00s: sorry, I just haven't cached much before
Apr 11 11:10:31 <belgianguy> Ankhwatcher: well, maybe I could set up a service so it updates once a week, or on user command
Apr 11 11:10:48 <Ankhwatcher> belgianguy: exactly! Go do that!
Apr 11 11:11:15 <belgianguy> Ankhwatcher: and how would I store said data? raw JSON? serialized Java?
Apr 11 11:11:33 <belgianguy> (the target is a SQLite db)
Apr 11 11:11:56 <Ankhwatcher> belgianguy: that's up to you, you can output the json to a file or store it in a table
Apr 11 11:12:37 <belgianguy> Ankhwatcher: ah k, will write out some use cases and see what fits my solution best, thanks!
Apr 11 11:13:51 <freeroute> can anyone please check which google authenticator this is and wether the checksum coincides with the original one? - https://mega.co.nz/#!xskTwB4a!HREYCFoTZFtGgZl_s2DvHxtVxAN2uhMXAbn5hs5-0c8
Apr 11 11:14:47 <quietschie> hi, i don't quite understand the Camera API...I need to get the video-data like in the preview, but i have no clue how to get to the data
Apr 11 11:15:17 <quietschie> ca anyone tell me, how to do that?
Apr 11 11:16:12 <p_l> quietschie: in very general words (I don't work with Camera): You make a SurfaceView, and pass it to Camera code + a callback to notify you when it paints to it
Apr 11 11:17:56 <quietschie> p_l:i habe to add the callback to the camera or to the surfaceView? What is then returned to me?
Apr 11 11:19:03 <Lite_> could someone explain to me why BluetoothDevice.createRfcommSocketToServiceRecord needs UUID as an argument?
Apr 11 11:19:06 <p_l> quietschie: to the camera code, iirc
Apr 11 11:19:24 <p_l> surfaceView is passed to CameraPreview as well
Apr 11 11:20:33 <feesh> thepoosh, as miha said, RelativeLayout's children depend on each other in some instances, so removing a view could cause an NPE though I would of thought it wouldn't of done
Apr 11 11:20:34 <quietschie> ok, and then the bitmap data is passed to the Callback as argument?
Apr 11 11:21:24 <p_l> quietschie: no, it's painted straight to surface view so you get it on screen
Apr 11 11:22:33 <quietschie> p_l:yeah, but i'd like to send the data to a pc via socket, so i need to get the actual bytes
Apr 11 11:23:55 <Lite_> Which is the better solution - Having 2 threads where 1 connects a phone to a bluetooth device and the other thread doing the reading and writing to said bluetooth device, or having 1 thread do both of these things?
Apr 11 11:24:01 <feesh> quietschie, isn't that what RFCOM is used for?
Apr 11 11:24:46 <quietschie> feesh: RFCOM? Sry, never heard of it
Apr 11 11:26:30 <Overv> is the reason that there's no real facebook app alternatives a legal thing?
Apr 11 11:27:50 <p_l> quietschie: then you needs slightly different stuff - camera api isn't my forte
Apr 11 11:28:11 <p_l> feesh: he needs the camera stream first :)
Apr 11 11:28:42 <p_l> Lite_: one thread is enough... you aren't going to redo handshake all the time while sending, right?
Apr 11 11:28:42 <quietschie> ok, thank you anyways, p_l
Apr 11 11:28:57 <Lite_> no
Apr 11 11:29:09 <quietschie> the tcp connection is working for my purposes
Apr 11 11:29:23 <Lite_> okay, thanks p_l
Apr 11 11:32:23 <quietschie> Can anyone tell me how to get the actual video-image data from the cam?
Apr 11 11:33:16 <feesh> quietschie, I think when you're streaming it's all done under the hood so you don't get glistening 720p image data passed to your app
Apr 11 11:33:24 <feesh> but I've never played with video stream
Apr 11 11:33:34 <feesh> but you can get preview frame image data
Apr 11 11:34:09 <feesh> in the form of bytes
Apr 11 11:35:30 <quietschie> feesh: the under the hood version would be very nice, what do you recommend? I still don't know what RFCOM is or does. The previewed bytes should also do it.
Apr 11 11:35:46 <feesh> quietschie, RFCOM I thought was serial over bluetooth
Apr 11 11:36:01 <feesh> maybe a potential method for streaming bytes over bluetooth
Apr 11 11:36:07 <feesh> but not played with it myself either :(
Apr 11 11:36:16 <feesh> quietschie, give me a minute pal
Apr 11 11:36:27 <quietschie> ok, i have to use wifi, not bluetooth
Apr 11 11:39:52 <feesh> quietschie, I can give you a drop in view I wrote for Camera
Apr 11 11:40:24 <quietschie> that would be great help. thanks!
Apr 11 12:00:07 <Tee_Pee> Hello folks
Apr 11 12:00:24 <Tee_Pee> quick question - arrays.xml has a structore of <array><item><item><item></array>, which is great\
Apr 11 12:00:38 <Tee_Pee> what I'm wondering is whether the <item> objects can have multiple values
Apr 11 12:00:40 <Tee_Pee> like say
Apr 11 12:00:50 <Tee_Pee> <item><string><integer><string></item>
Apr 11 12:01:09 <Tee_Pee> or is it strictly single value only?
Apr 11 12:01:30 <joar`> Tee_Pee: I've made an array of arrays
Apr 11 12:01:52 <xorgate> Tee_Pee you make a string-array, it contains strings
Apr 11 12:02:41 <joar`> Tee_Pee: https://gist.github.com/joar/5362841
Apr 11 12:03:50 <Tee_Pee> that will be more than enough, thanks
Apr 11 12:05:07 <joar`> It's inconvenient though and I'll move to JSON and non-android-resource images
Apr 11 12:06:16 <Tee_Pee> what I am trying to do is simple... I want to have a single place to keep track of categories used by my app
Apr 11 12:06:35 <Tee_Pee> I don't want to have to update 10 List objects down the line whenever I want to make a change here
Apr 11 12:06:58 <joar`> I have another place in my app where I use a JSON file.
Apr 11 12:07:14 <joar`> much easier to maintain complicated data structures than android resources
Apr 11 12:07:55 <joar`> Tee_Pee: what's the data structure of the data you'r going to put in the file?
Apr 11 12:08:25 <Tee_Pee> id, name, drawable id
Apr 11 12:08:42 <joar`> Tee_Pee: so the drawable one is the issue
Apr 11 12:08:48 <Tee_Pee> (for now)
Apr 11 12:09:09 <joar`> or if the id is an R.id.* id then that's also an issue
Apr 11 12:09:17 <joar`> in case you'd want to use JSON
Apr 11 12:09:24 <Tee_Pee> The thing is
Apr 11 12:09:49 <Tee_Pee> hmpf... no idea, I think the resource thing will work
Apr 11 12:09:51 <Tee_Pee> by doing it like this
Apr 11 12:10:07 <Tee_Pee> <!-- Streets Category -->     <string-array name="cat_streets"> 	    <item name="id">1</item> 	    <item name="title">Streets</item> 	    <item name="thumb">@drawable/streets_df</item> 	</string-array>
Apr 11 12:10:24 <joar`> It will work in a <resources> file, but R.* doesn't work in a JSON file.
Apr 11 12:10:24 <Tee_Pee> Make loads of those, then just one last array called "categories" that will have those arrays as items
Apr 11 12:10:30 <joar`> but JSON files are easier to maintain
Apr 11 12:10:31 <Tee_Pee> aye
Apr 11 12:28:48 <xorgate> what's the deal with EasyTracker versus GoogleAnalytics classes? Which should i use? Docs use them both, i suspect they are outdated here and there
Apr 11 12:41:51 <JuiceSSH-Tom> afternoon all
Apr 11 12:42:22 <daniele_athome> afternoon
Apr 11 12:45:42 <StingRay_> anyone know what resize/filter method the nexus 10 uses when playing HD content ?
Apr 11 12:46:12 <StingRay_> or does it just dupe every 3rd pixel :) that would be funny
Apr 11 12:46:32 <Zharf> that'd look like crap, wouldn't it
Apr 11 12:46:40 <StingRay_> well, maybe
Apr 11 12:46:51 <StingRay_> if it's small enough and you bob/weave it
Apr 11 12:46:55 <StingRay_> maybe not
Apr 11 12:47:05 <StingRay_> would be cheapest % way to do it
Apr 11 12:47:30 <StingRay_> as in a pixel is small enough
Apr 11 12:47:36 <StingRay_> I was just interested
Apr 11 12:48:28 <bau> can anybody help me with this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15922098/android-app-for-radio-streaming-mms-howto
Apr 11 12:48:31 <StingRay_> until someone comes out with a 3840x2160 it's not gonna be great for HD stuff
Apr 11 13:03:12 <itsaboutcode> I am new to Android and kind of confused how java is being used there - so I was wondering if I could see some tutorial which can teach the language w.r.t java and make me comfortable with java syntax
Apr 11 13:06:40 <StingRay_> connecting to an irc server and chatting here is considerably more difficult than finding java 101 tutorials on the internet :)
Apr 11 13:06:57 <kaneda^> i think they're both absurdly easy ;)
Apr 11 13:07:27 <StingRay_> well, my point was made I think :)
Apr 11 13:08:13 <kaneda^> it's one thing to ask a question knowing that this will help you learn so much faster that it's worth while it's another thing to not even attempt to learn on your own
Apr 11 13:12:54 <miha> itsaboutcode: google:  thinking in java        google: oracle java tutorial         (ignore GUI part and some specific api, but collections, network, files, threads work more or less the same on android)    and for gui and other android specific things https://developer.android.com/
Apr 11 13:13:23 <miha> itsaboutcode: i liked java 2 bible, if you can find it somewhere (thinking in java should do too)
Apr 11 13:14:05 <itsaboutcode> miha: thanks
Apr 11 13:17:02 <lov> itsaboutcode: consider heading to http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/. Also go to #java (don't mention Android) to ask Java specific questions.
Apr 11 13:17:12 <miha> +1 lov
Apr 11 13:17:26 <StingRay_> why not mention android ?
Apr 11 13:17:31 <StingRay_> out of interest
Apr 11 13:18:01 <miha> itsaboutcode: what is your programming experience?
Apr 11 13:18:02 <lov> because they'll immediately shut down and go "ANDROID DOES NOT USE JAVA" because of dalvik and possibly refuse to help.
Apr 11 13:18:31 <StingRay_> oh, wow
Apr 11 13:18:31 <lov> so, you generally need to be a little ginger in the phrasing of your questions.
Apr 11 13:18:46 <lov> I mean I kind of understand why they do it but they can go too far.
Apr 11 13:19:06 <joar`> IRC is sometimes not a friendly place.
Apr 11 13:19:28 <miha> joar`: freenode is mostly harmless compared to *other* networks :p
Apr 11 13:19:45 <lov> I'm not so sure about that.
Apr 11 13:19:51 <StingRay_> well, I think really you can never give offence, somebody needs to "take" it :)
Apr 11 13:19:58 <miha> lov: do you get DDOSed here?
Apr 11 13:20:08 <joar`> even #android-dev can be harsh at times compared to what I'm used in #mediagoblin
Apr 11 13:20:20 <lov> miha: no, though it'd be my shell not myself.
Apr 11 13:21:12 <miha> itsaboutcode: i'd still recommend you get some book first, before tutorials. thinking in java, java2 bible, something else (perhaps from local library)
Apr 11 13:21:28 <miha> so you get fast start on basic concepts
Apr 11 13:22:17 <miha> especially if you are new to object oriented programming
Apr 11 13:28:49 <joar`> how do centerX/Y work for linear gradient drawables?
Apr 11 13:28:57 <joar`> whatever I put ther it doesn't change
Apr 11 13:30:33 <joar`> ah, that's because I don't have a centerColor
Apr 11 13:55:33 <belgianguy> is there an ABS equivalent of getChildFragmentManager?
Apr 11 13:56:49 <Quacked> StingRay_: I think I'm getting closer to something I'm relatively happy with: http://bildr.no/image/1436164.jpeg
Apr 11 13:56:57 <Quacked> joar: what thinks? :)
Apr 11 13:57:57 <StingRay_> Quacked: yeah, still not a fan
Apr 11 13:57:59 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 13:58:00 <StingRay_> sorry
Apr 11 13:58:13 <Quacked> I didnt think you would be, hehe
Apr 11 13:58:26 <StingRay_> numbers at that size are irrelevant
Apr 11 13:58:34 <Quacked> yeah, I'm wondering about that
Apr 11 13:58:35 <StingRay_> the shade pallet dont work
Apr 11 13:58:40 <StingRay_> as in lines etc
Apr 11 13:58:51 <Quacked> you mean the inner glow?
Apr 11 13:58:53 <StingRay_> there is no def on the squares to make them pop
Apr 11 13:59:08 <StingRay_> the dirty shadow thing around it just looks odd
Apr 11 13:59:11 <Quacked> def?
Apr 11 13:59:18 <coco89> StingRay_, long time no see
Apr 11 13:59:22 <StingRay_> definition
Apr 11 13:59:38 <Quacked> yeah, Im gonna work on that shadow which is just inner glow.. Im just trying to make it look like a button
Apr 11 13:59:40 <StingRay_> the grid lines run off the icon edge
Apr 11 13:59:53 <Quacked> yeah, Ill fix that grid line on the edge
Apr 11 13:59:56 <StingRay_> the font edges look soft and will not resize well
Apr 11 14:00:07 <StingRay_> overall it just doesnt work for me :)
Apr 11 14:00:10 <Quacked> should they be crisp to resize better?
Apr 11 14:00:14 <StingRay_> even if you fix those things
Apr 11 14:00:19 <Quacked> sharp*
Apr 11 14:00:50 <Quacked> ill try that out anyways
Apr 11 14:01:04 <teknoRx> hi, how can I figure out what opengl es calls are executed on the gpu?
Apr 11 14:01:12 <StingRay_> probably best not to ask me in future btw  Quacked  :)
Apr 11 14:01:51 <Quacked> StingRay_: are you kidding? this is top feedback
Apr 11 14:02:10 <StingRay_> yes but fix all of what I just said and I would still dislike the concept
Apr 11 14:02:17 <StingRay_> it's wrong etc
Apr 11 14:02:20 <StingRay_> to me
Apr 11 14:02:24 <Quacked> yeah, thats ok
Apr 11 14:02:39 <Quacked> you still point out things that I can fix that makes it look better to me
Apr 11 14:02:48 <StingRay_> hmmm, maybe
Apr 11 14:03:03 <Quacked> this time I started in illustrator.. but that was painful :D
Apr 11 14:03:57 <StingRay_> the other grid icon you showed me looks 100x better than the grid you have at the moment btw
Apr 11 14:04:36 <StingRay_> if you copy that style, and then sort out the dirty inner shadow/bevel or whatever it's attempting to be, then I would maybe dislike it a hell of a lot less
Apr 11 14:06:10 <bluesm> What is the meaning of "context" in building intent ?
Apr 11 14:09:10 <Quacked> StingRay_: you mean this one? http://bildr.no/view/1436053
Apr 11 14:09:19 <StingRay_> god no
Apr 11 14:09:22 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 11 14:10:03 <Quacked> https://lh3.ggpht.com/pW9KhMt0-4hTJEUoG1Y4tY1BCFreB-q7RMWJ4aacdWr3RkqoKn4fwBMyfio=w78-h78 ?
Apr 11 14:10:03 <StingRay_> you showed me a nice icon with a 5x5 grid
Apr 11 14:10:08 <StingRay_> yes
Apr 11 14:10:10 <StingRay_> that one
Apr 11 14:10:23 <StingRay_> that has details that pull
Apr 11 14:10:30 <StingRay_> shading differences etc
Apr 11 14:11:05 <StingRay_> not that I would have done a cut out/drop shadow with it, but that one is something like what I would aim for
Apr 11 14:11:29 <Quacked> yeah, I'm aiming for something like that.. but there is no higher res version, so its extra difficult to understand whats been done (to me) :)
Apr 11 14:11:46 <StingRay_> well directional shading
Apr 11 14:12:55 <Quacked> wonder how those grid lines are made
Apr 11 14:13:03 <StingRay_> with squares ?
Apr 11 14:13:06 <StingRay_> ;)
Apr 11 14:13:10 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 11 14:13:13 <coco89> heuhue
Apr 11 14:13:37 <ThymeCypher> Is anyone else having issues with obtainStyledAttributes returning an empty set?
Apr 11 14:14:43 <Quacked> StingRay_: theyre so slim and yet possible to see in low res
Apr 11 14:15:02 <StingRay_> indeed
Apr 11 14:15:04 <bluesm> ?
Apr 11 14:15:28 <Quacked> its probably magic
Apr 11 14:15:33 <StingRay_> thats cause you design something based on it's most common view
Apr 11 14:15:46 <StingRay_> in this case a small ass icon on the launcher
Apr 11 14:15:49 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 14:16:42 <Quacked> but how the hell is it done? only way I know to make the lines seen in low res is to make it FAT in high res :D
Apr 11 14:17:21 <StingRay_> I dont get what you mean
Apr 11 14:17:32 <StingRay_> they will take 1 or 2 pixels at that size
Apr 11 14:17:51 <StingRay_> and even if it's for a presentation icon, thats 5x the size
Apr 11 14:18:00 <StingRay_> I would still only have x2 the thickness
Apr 11 14:18:08 <feesh> we're on the cool side of the split
Apr 11 14:18:09 <StingRay_> you dont design using math
Apr 11 14:18:10 <feesh> we have the ops
Apr 11 14:18:42 <StingRay_> ok thats a lie, sometimes you do
Apr 11 14:18:44 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 14:18:48 <Quacked> StingRay_: so you make different icons for different resolutions instead of just resizing a large one?
Apr 11 14:19:06 <StingRay_> depends on context and elements
Apr 11 14:19:12 <Quacked> ok
Apr 11 14:19:56 <StingRay_> if you just resize, you then have to consider resize method and what that will do to details
Apr 11 14:19:58 <StingRay_> eg
Apr 11 14:20:09 <StingRay_> you have a grid that is spaced 11 pixels apart
Apr 11 14:20:20 <StingRay_> x or / byt 2 and that dont work
Apr 11 14:20:23 <Quacked> yeah, I blew up a 78x78 version.. and I see lines are completely off
Apr 11 14:20:51 <Quacked> StingRay_: ahh.. that makes sense
Apr 11 14:20:59 <StingRay_> neways, I have to return to my dev mode and do some work, I'm running out of money fast
Apr 11 14:21:08 <Quacked> hah, thanks again
Apr 11 14:21:08 <belgianguy> hmm, I'm displaying a SeekBar for some properties I get from my JSON data, what's the best way to associate that property and the SeekBar?
Apr 11 14:21:14 <miha> damn how to rebuild this R.id's .. i inserted something at start of menu and now all id's are wrong
Apr 11 14:21:27 <belgianguy> writing a custom View to hold the id?
Apr 11 14:21:28 <ThymeCypher> miha: Do a clean.
Apr 11 14:21:35 <Quacked> miha: project-clean in eclipse
Apr 11 14:21:43 <ThymeCypher> Or if that doesn't work, I've had to delete R.java sometimes.
Apr 11 14:21:47 <miha> i have some jni libs.. is it safe to clean? :)
Apr 11 14:22:33 <ThymeCypher> miha: If it isn't safe to clean, there's something wrong with your project's stability in general :P
Apr 11 14:22:40 <miha> ThymeCypher: :D
Apr 11 14:22:43 <feesh> ThymeCypher++
Apr 11 14:23:24 <miha> ok cool
Apr 11 14:24:58 <ThymeCypher> Oh the magic of IRC. 1) I have a problem 2) I'll ask a group of people about it. 3) The problem magically went away anyway.
Apr 11 14:25:25 <funkbox> ThymeCypher: glad to be of help
Apr 11 14:25:27 <miha> not judging from experience, but irc is like AA meeting
Apr 11 14:26:03 <ThymeCypher> Seems so.
Apr 11 14:26:57 <ThymeCypher> I spent 2 hours trying to get a custom attribute set to work, and the moment I asked the question on here - with no code changes whatsoever, they finally appear in the layout editor.
Apr 11 14:32:01 <belgianguy> soo, if I have a list of SeekBars, and I wish to relate their values to a property I have stored in an online database, what would be the easiest way to link those
Apr 11 14:32:39 <belgianguy> hack that property into their @+id/?
Apr 11 14:33:01 <pfn> a list? like in a listview?
Apr 11 14:33:13 <belgianguy> no, just a linearlayout of seekbars
Apr 11 14:33:17 <pfn> easiest would be to have a ListAdapter that converts the values to and from
Apr 11 14:33:48 <pfn> otherwise, just maintain a mapping of db keys vs. R.id values for your seekbar
Apr 11 14:34:00 <joar`> inflate(context, layout, root) returns root but according to doc makes sure that the layout_* attributes are inflated correctly, inflate(context, layout, null) returns the inflated layout. Can I have layout_* be inflated correctly and be returned the inflated layout?
Apr 11 14:34:35 <belgianguy> pfn: ah, yeah, could just use a mapping
Apr 11 14:46:19 <ThymeCypher> Aw chit. Updating eclipse breaks ADT. Lovely.
Apr 11 14:47:46 <netizen> Hi
Apr 11 14:48:27 <xviv> Hello netizen :D
Apr 11 14:49:18 <kaneda^> morning
Apr 11 14:52:46 <xviv> Guys, I can't learn Android API from doc but sample code. Any idea what is wrong with me?
Apr 11 14:53:47 <joar`> xviv: You're bad at reading docs, you don't recognise the terminology used in docs.
Apr 11 14:54:49 <xviv> joar`: Yeah, I think so. Any solution? because sometimes it is hard to find some sample code.
Apr 11 14:55:04 <belgianguy> Google with the word "tutorial"
Apr 11 14:55:16 <belgianguy> those usually explain things rather well
Apr 11 14:55:30 <belgianguy> "vogella" would also help I think
Apr 11 14:56:58 <EPG> is it just me or are AdMob's SmartBanner test ads currently broken (i.e., normal Banner ads are returned)?
Apr 11 14:57:10 <pfn> huh, I'm doing setSystemUiVisibility(SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_HIDE_NAVIGATION) and window.addFlags(FLAG_FULLSCREEN); how do I get my content view to resize?
Apr 11 14:57:14 <xviv> Did you guys think this is because I don't read doc from starter? Because I just read the doc what API I wanna know.
Apr 11 14:57:26 <pfn> I do contentView.invalidate(); but getWidth and getHeight still report the previous dimensions
Apr 11 14:57:54 <pfn> xviv, what's wrong is that you are a beginner and don't really understand programming yet
Apr 11 14:58:02 <pfn> hence the need for "example" code
Apr 11 14:58:08 <pfn> since beginners tend to learn by example
Apr 11 14:58:29 <pfn> xviv, improve your programming basics, and then reading docs becomes natural
Apr 11 14:58:51 <xviv> pfn: By coding in java?
Apr 11 14:59:37 <pfn> by writing lots of code for various problems
Apr 11 14:59:50 <pfn> try starting off with projecteuler.net
Apr 11 15:01:22 <xviv> Thanks pfn, that is exactly what I need. Because just practicing code without target is kinda boring, IMO.
Apr 11 15:02:07 <pfn> xviv, basically, practice makes perfect, the more you do, the better you get
Apr 11 15:03:28 <netizen> any dev searching for a small project? ;)
Apr 11 15:03:35 <xviv> Thanks again, pfn !
Apr 11 15:03:59 <StingRay_> netizen: how small ?
Apr 11 15:04:16 <pfn> xviv, maybe spend a little time reading blogs, articles, and books in the programming domain you're interested in
Apr 11 15:04:21 <StingRay_> one mans small is anothers….erm…… not so small
Apr 11 15:04:28 <netizen> a special Tasker (Llama/Locale/et-all) Plugin
Apr 11 15:04:41 <pfn> xviv, and some programming essentials books, like if you plan on doing a lot of java and android, thinking in java and java concurrency in practice are good foundations
Apr 11 15:05:12 <netizen> I've even located sample code for what I want, but I don't have any time to learn JAVA
Apr 11 15:07:29 <feesh> netizen
Apr 11 15:07:30 <feesh> it's easy
Apr 11 15:07:56 <xviv> pfn: I used to do that, I have read Head First Java, 2nd Edition. It tells me about some concept and function or common class in java. After 2 months I stop read and practicing that because I just forget that somehow. Hence I start coding in Android to get objective to resolve. But the link you given to me is cool!
Apr 11 15:08:26 <netizen> I don't think otherwise, but I'm IT Manager without any IT or CS degree. I must survive with my own knoledge
Apr 11 15:08:36 <pfn> xviv, consider topcoder.com, too, they also have some programming problems
Apr 11 15:08:49 <pfn> netizen, rentacoder to the rescue
Apr 11 15:09:09 <netizen> there was a time when I loved to learn new languages and systems, but it's long gone
Apr 11 15:09:32 <pfn> #android-dev isn't for hiring/advertising
Apr 11 15:09:51 <pfn> see topic
Apr 11 15:09:59 <netizen> pfn: Paying? I already have what I want via dirty hacks, I'd just love to see a good clean implementation
Apr 11 15:10:26 <pfn> you assume you'll get someone to do it for free?
Apr 11 15:10:48 <xviv> pfn: Maybe lack of english vocab is one of my problem. And I feel grateful when I could chat with you guys here. You guys know what I ask for although my english is sucks. :|
Apr 11 15:11:21 <netizen> I don't mind if they sell it. I buy software, not every day, but every week for sure
Apr 11 15:11:45 <netizen> My N4 has more value in paid software than hardware
Apr 11 15:12:47 <StingRay_> netizen: you are aware that development costs do not equal off the shelf user purchase price ?
Apr 11 15:13:49 <netizen> Yes, I was a shareware dev back in the usenet days
Apr 11 15:14:16 <miha> netizen: start a company, rent coders, make money?
Apr 11 15:14:25 <miha> or do you want to be cheap?
Apr 11 15:14:29 <feesh> miha, you missed the '???'
Apr 11 15:14:53 <miha> step 1: collect underwear, step 2: ???, step 3: profit!
Apr 11 15:15:27 <miha> http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151040/the-underpants-business
Apr 11 15:16:06 <netizen> I was just looking for someone that wanted to learn/improve his skills in an OSS related channel, seems nowadays money rules everything
Apr 11 15:16:47 <StingRay_> worth has always ruled
Apr 11 15:16:50 <miha> i apologise for being such a neoliberal :p
Apr 11 15:17:03 <ottoman> hello
Apr 11 15:17:06 <StingRay_> just we use money to denote worth
Apr 11 15:18:05 <ottoman> i am trying to build aosp for maguro. i grabbed the sources, lunch full_maguro-eng; make. however in my out directory, there is no boot.img. the make ends with "No rule to make target `/local/omn/google//Groundhog/target/product/maguro/kernel', needed by `/local/omn/google//Groundhog/target/product/maguro/boot.img'.  Stop."
Apr 11 15:18:15 <ottoman> any idea why such target doesnt exist?
Apr 11 15:19:31 <netizen> IIRC you need to sync the kernel tree separately from AOSP itself
Apr 11 15:22:07 <WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, whenever I try to use File and FileWriter to write to a file with my android app, I get read-only file system all the time exception
Apr 11 15:22:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> *read-only file system exception all the time
Apr 11 15:22:23 <kaneda^> WhereIsMySpoon, you're probably not writing into the conetxt directory
Apr 11 15:22:42 <kaneda^> WhereIsMySpoon, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html
Apr 11 15:23:33 <kaneda^> so next week is my last week of working with android for work
Apr 11 15:23:50 <StingRay_> kaneda^: oh no
Apr 11 15:23:53 <StingRay_> why ?
Apr 11 15:24:02 <StingRay_> you turning evil ?
Apr 11 15:24:06 <kaneda^> StingRay_, switching jobs, and the new job doesnt include android, that's all
Apr 11 15:24:15 <kaneda^> i'm not switching to iOS or win phone, i promise ;)
Apr 11 15:24:24 <StingRay_> oh, suppose thats ok
Apr 11 15:24:36 <belgianguy> kaneda^: so, Oracle ? :p
Apr 11 15:24:43 <xorgate> so any help we give you will be useless in a week
Apr 11 15:25:11 <kaneda^> belgianguy, nah, it's actually ruby/python/bash mostly
Apr 11 15:25:25 <belgianguy> kaneda^: ah, that looks nice
Apr 11 15:25:36 <kaneda^> xorgate, ya right ;)
Apr 11 15:26:30 <vangi__> hey i got  a question... what am I supposed to do when I design a UI for a couple of devices. Both fall under the same category (normal) both have the same dpi category (hdpi) but they dont have the same resolution which enforces me to design 2 sets of images and backgrounds... so now I have two images which need to reside in the same drawable folder. How do I differentiate?
Apr 11 15:26:43 <testt> I was testing a simple app that connects to a ServerSocket, retrieves data and plays it with an AudioTrack object. It works okay except that when there is a network error the whole app vanishes. It doesn't go to the catch block for some reason. Can anyone help me out?
Apr 11 15:27:15 <bau> how can I include vitamio in my project in eclipse?
Apr 11 15:28:11 <StingRay_> vangi__: depends on the content of the images/bg
Apr 11 15:29:24 <testt> vangi__ there are different directories like drawable-hdpi and drawable-xhdpi. if both have the same dpi, maybe use some code to get the screenresolution and display the image based on the condition?
Apr 11 15:29:30 <vangi__> StingRay_, well, basically I have a ViewPager that shows images. One device is a 800x480 res... and the other is 540x960 I need bigger images for this one
Apr 11 15:29:55 <StingRay_> well whats the src/context of these images ?
Apr 11 15:31:30 <vangi__> StingRay_ all images are in drawable-hdpi. Each image is a fragment with a ImageView
Apr 11 15:31:42 <vangi__> I call the images with a switch case block
Apr 11 15:31:46 <StingRay_> not really what I mean
Apr 11 15:31:47 <vangi__> theres an adapter
Apr 11 15:31:49 <miha> vangi__: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6162181/how-to-scale-an-image-in-an-imageview-so-that-it-fits    why not just scale the big image?
Apr 11 15:32:03 <miha> or scale with matrix if you need something custom
Apr 11 15:32:05 <StingRay_> I mean what is the content of the image
Apr 11 15:32:05 <vangi__> hmm sorry, then I didnt understand the question
Apr 11 15:32:09 <StingRay_> if I look at it
Apr 11 15:32:13 <StingRay_> what do I seeeeee
Apr 11 15:32:15 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 15:32:19 <miha> vangi__: why do you need two images for two resolutions?
Apr 11 15:32:19 <vangi__> :)
Apr 11 15:32:47 <StingRay_> miha: can need that for many reasons
Apr 11 15:32:58 <StingRay_> the obvious is 1:1 detail
Apr 11 15:33:05 <vangi__> The imags are images of animals :)
Apr 11 15:33:10 <vangi__> did you mean that lol?
Apr 11 15:33:14 <StingRay_> yes
Apr 11 15:33:20 <StingRay_> and are they created by you ?
Apr 11 15:33:24 <vangi__> well theres one animal per picture
Apr 11 15:33:37 <vangi__> the images were downloaded from shutterstock
Apr 11 15:33:39 <vangi__> cropped by me
Apr 11 15:33:41 <vangi__> in photoshop
Apr 11 15:33:45 <StingRay_> brilliant
Apr 11 15:33:53 <StingRay_> so have 1 source
Apr 11 15:33:58 <StingRay_> eg the biggest
Apr 11 15:34:06 * miha still thinks its better to scale and crop automatically
Apr 11 15:34:12 <miha> but hey..
Apr 11 15:34:23 <vangi__> hmm
Apr 11 15:34:30 <StingRay_> then use bitmapOptions
Apr 11 15:34:31 <vangi__> one that is larger than all resolutions?
Apr 11 15:34:38 <StingRay_> to load only the innner crop area
Apr 11 15:34:43 <StingRay_> for the small screen
Apr 11 15:34:56 <StingRay_> so they all use same bmp
Apr 11 15:35:05 <StingRay_> but load different parts of it
Apr 11 15:35:15 <vangi__> ooo i can do that?
Apr 11 15:35:18 <vangi__> bitmapOptions
Apr 11 15:35:20 <StingRay_> ya
Apr 11 15:35:49 <vangi__> and how do I differentiate? how cn I know on what device im currently running?
Apr 11 15:35:56 <StingRay_> all you really need to do is in PS, have a stepped crop template so when you do the largest crop, you can also see the others
Apr 11 15:36:04 <StingRay_> get the screen metrics
Apr 11 15:36:19 <vangi__> ohh I see
Apr 11 15:36:32 <vangi__> Alright gonna try that right now!
Apr 11 15:36:34 <vangi__> brb
Apr 11 15:36:37 <StingRay_> good luck
Apr 11 15:36:39 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 11 15:36:40 <vangi__> THANKS!!! :)
Apr 11 15:36:44 <miha> vangi__: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5910653/how-to-scale-image-according-to-screen-resolution
Apr 11 15:37:22 <StingRay_> miha: thats irrelvant when there are diff aspects
Apr 11 15:37:23 <vangi__> miha :) thank you
Apr 11 15:37:42 <vangi__> there's some code there to get the size of the screen no?
Apr 11 15:37:57 <vangi__> or this
Apr 11 15:38:04 <StingRay_> you want display avaiable
Apr 11 15:38:08 <vangi__> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1016896/android-how-to-get-screen-dimensions
Apr 11 15:38:09 <StingRay_> not really the screen widths
Apr 11 15:38:51 <StingRay_> as in you want the screen XY - (status bar + system bar)
Apr 11 15:38:55 <vangi__> this:
Apr 11 15:38:58 <vangi__> DisplayMetrics metrics = new DisplayMetrics(); getWindowManager().getDefaultDisplay().getMetrics(metrics);  metrics.heightPixels; metrics.widthPixels;
Apr 11 15:39:05 <vangi__> ?
Apr 11 15:39:09 <StingRay_> yeah thats it I think
Apr 11 15:39:13 <StingRay_> easy to try :)
Apr 11 15:39:20 <vangi__> ahh nice! yeah gonna do that now
Apr 11 15:39:21 <vangi__> brb
Apr 11 15:39:34 <belgianguy> pfn: hmm, would I be able to extend a SeekBar to contain said property?
Apr 11 15:39:51 <belgianguy> (an id of a property)
Apr 11 15:39:52 <pfn> belgianguy, what property? the database key?  why would you
Apr 11 15:40:05 <pfn> you could, if you wanted, sure
Apr 11 15:40:15 <pfn> so you can declare it in layout, I suppose
Apr 11 15:40:19 <pfn> just define your own attribute
Apr 11 15:40:23 <miha> vangi__: and if you want to crop so animal is always same size, you calculate according to metrics.density too, not just width/height  ( http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html )
Apr 11 15:40:33 <miha> for next step :)
Apr 11 15:40:41 <belgianguy> pfn: I'm almost sure it'll be dynamically generated
Apr 11 15:41:01 <vangi__> miha oo thanks.. ill check this out next ! :)
Apr 11 15:42:29 <belgianguy> pfn: I just thought it'd be more clean if I extended the class
Apr 11 15:42:37 <belgianguy> rather than using a mapping array
Apr 11 15:42:52 <pfn> extending classes isn't often clean
Apr 11 15:42:59 <rschmidt> hey guys, does anyone know of a solid solution for playing back HTML5 video in a WebView with SDK 4.2?
Apr 11 15:44:30 <pfn> why can't you just do that?
Apr 11 15:44:44 <pfn> load up a webview, go to a page with a <video> tag, play
Apr 11 15:44:54 <testt> Can anyone help me out? when I disconnect the network, the app that uses a Socket crashes (exits) instead of going to the catch block
Apr 11 15:45:07 <testt> I am wondering what could be wrong
Apr 11 15:45:36 <Leeds> testt: unhandled exception
Apr 11 15:46:00 <testt> Leeds: I am catching all exceptions inside the run() method
Apr 11 15:46:38 <testt> Leeds: like the following, public void run(){ try{...}catch(Exception e){} }
Apr 11 15:46:38 <Leeds> I don't think you are
Apr 11 15:46:40 <lagann> awesome, we just got invited to present at the Developers Sandbox at Google IO
Apr 11 15:47:28 <canadiancow> what do you do?
Apr 11 15:47:31 <belgianguy> lagann: nice one
Apr 11 15:47:40 <rschmidt> pfn: well, that's what I'm doing, and I have it partially working. My app has to play a series of items (videos + images) and loop on them. I'm able to load and play the video once, but if I remove and add the same video, it sits on a 'loading' icon and won't play again.
Apr 11 15:48:02 <lagann> yeah, if anyone is there you should drop by and say hi
Apr 11 15:48:15 <lagann> come one over to the ASTRO booth
Apr 11 15:48:22 <Leeds> testt: logcat logcat logcat
Apr 11 15:49:19 <canadiancow> astro... what's astro
Apr 11 15:49:31 <canadiancow> oh the file manager?
Apr 11 15:49:32 <Leeds> the file manager?
Apr 11 15:49:45 <lagann> yeah
Apr 11 15:50:10 <canadiancow> i may just come say hi lagann
Apr 11 15:50:19 <lagann> cool, see you there canadiancow
Apr 11 15:51:18 <testt> Leeds: could this be the problem? in the catch block i wrote the following.  Toast.makeText(mainappactivity.this, ex.toString(), Toast.LENGTH_LONG).show();
Apr 11 15:51:39 <SimonVT> You tell us if that's the problem
Apr 11 15:51:46 <Leeds> testt: there is no "could" - there is logcat and find the exception
Apr 11 15:52:05 <belgianguy> testt: don't use Toast, esp not for exceptions, put a breakpoint somewhere and see if it hits your exception catch block
Apr 11 15:53:19 <Leeds> if your app is exiting unexpectedly there will (*almost*) always be an uncaught exception in the log
Apr 11 15:53:37 <pfn> rschmidt, sounds like a javascript problem -- does it work in the normal browser; use that as your test basis
Apr 11 15:53:50 <testt> I usually test on a device because my netbook pc is too slow to run the emulator
Apr 11 15:54:09 <Leeds> testt: which is relevant... why?
Apr 11 15:54:12 <belgianguy> testt: that still outputs logcat messages...
Apr 11 15:54:50 <belgianguy> set Logcat to error level and see why the app crashed
Apr 11 15:55:51 <rschmidt> pfn: Yeah, that's what I've been doing... my app works in Firefox mobile, but doesn't work in Chrome mobile because it requires the ability to autoplay the video (it works if I click on the video in the web page). I originally implemented the WebView to get around the Chrome limitation, and that's when I got stuck with this 'play once, but not again' issue. I have a Nexus 7 so I haven't been able to test with the stock Android browser, only FF and C
Apr 11 15:55:51 <rschmidt> hrome.
Apr 11 15:56:30 <pfn>  why can't you test with stock browser--is it no longer included in android?
Apr 11 15:56:51 <canadiancow> i think it's in aosp, but new nexus devices dont include it
Apr 11 15:56:51 <Leeds> pfn: not on Nexus devices which have Chrome as the default browser
Apr 11 15:56:58 <rschmidt> Apparently it was replaced with Chrome for the Nexus 7.
Apr 11 15:57:10 <canadiancow> the galaxy nexus still has the android browser i think, but nothing since then
Apr 11 15:57:16 <pfn> indeed
Apr 11 15:57:23 <pfn> I don't notice because I usually disable it
Apr 11 15:57:32 <joar`> GN does have the stock browser
Apr 11 15:57:40 <pfn> rschmidt, still sounds like a javascript problem, particularly if chrome and webview share the same underlying code
Apr 11 15:57:45 <pfn> joar`, GN on 4.2?
Apr 11 15:57:56 <joar`> lemme check
Apr 11 15:58:02 <canadiancow> on everything
Apr 11 15:58:11 <canadiancow> GN has and always will have the android browser afaik
Apr 11 15:58:21 <canadiancow> they're not just going to remove an app in an update
Apr 11 15:58:26 <joar`> 4.2
Apr 11 15:58:30 <joar`> - yes
Apr 11 15:58:41 <pfn> yeah, mine still has it, I have it disabled, so I have to dig through all apps to see it
Apr 11 15:58:41 <joar`> canadiancow: agreed
Apr 11 15:58:43 <rschmidt> pfn: I agree, that was my first impression as well... so I've been stripping the JS down as much as possible to try to isolate the issue
Apr 11 15:58:49 <EPG> Can anyone confirm that AdMob requests for test ads of type SmartBanner currently return real ads of type Banner?
Apr 11 15:59:02 <joar`> EPG: check with AdMob
Apr 11 16:04:19 <ian_ford> I've got a general Java question
Apr 11 16:04:35 <StingRay_> #java ?
Apr 11 16:04:46 <ian_ford> hmm, probably a good idea
Apr 11 16:05:07 <kaneda^> ##java i believe
Apr 11 16:05:11 <ninharp> ;P
Apr 11 16:15:15 <mmoassistdev1> Hi all wanted to say thank you for being friendly and helpful the past few days.
Apr 11 16:24:04 <quietschie> hi, can anyone tell me, how i can improve video preview fps? I tried buffers and also processing the data in different threads, all this didn't improve anything. Any suggestions?
Apr 11 16:24:39 <kaneda^> quietschie, request a smaller preview frame
Apr 11 16:24:55 <quietschie> did it
Apr 11 16:25:16 <kaneda^> quietschie, that's all you can do, aside from native processing
Apr 11 16:25:22 <kaneda^> i.e., with the nDK
Apr 11 16:25:45 <quietschie> but i can't get more than 8 fps @ 320*240
Apr 11 16:26:17 <kaneda^> then you're doing something wrong, or something too expensive
Apr 11 16:26:42 <quietschie> all i do is sysout(data.length());
Apr 11 16:26:59 <kaneda^> i dont understand...
Apr 11 16:27:06 <kaneda^> you're struggling just to show the preview frame?
Apr 11 16:27:47 <quietschie> no, i want to stream the video data, therefore i take it from the preview
Apr 11 16:28:02 <kaneda^> quietschie, you'll have to be more specific about the goal
Apr 11 16:28:14 <kaneda^> and, btw depending on what you're doing 8FPS might be good
Apr 11 16:28:48 <quietschie> i'd like to stream live video via wiFi to a PC
Apr 11 16:29:11 <kaneda^> then the limitation isn't really the previewframe, it's the wifi and pc speed
Apr 11 16:29:31 <kaneda^> the preview frame by itself will run at about 20FPS, then it's up to you to ensure fast transmission of that data
Apr 11 16:29:52 <quietschie> but i don't get the 20 fps
Apr 11 16:29:59 <quietschie> where can i grab them?
Apr 11 16:30:31 <kaneda^> in the preview callback
Apr 11 16:30:38 <kaneda^> have you implemented callback to capture the frames?
Apr 11 16:31:24 <quietschie> yes, i'll share code..in a sec
Apr 11 16:32:51 <quietschie> kaneda^: have a look at http://pastebin.com/be3BLxWh . Thanks
Apr 11 16:35:00 <kaneda^> quietschie, why are there a million calls to addcallbackbuffer?
Apr 11 16:35:30 <kaneda^> anyways, system.out on every frame will actually slow this down a lot
Apr 11 16:35:36 <kaneda^> you'd be surprised how expensive that is
Apr 11 16:35:50 <quietschie> i read in a post, that adding about 20 buffers helps increasing framerate
Apr 11 16:36:01 <kaneda^> ? no
Apr 11 16:36:08 <kaneda^> or at least, i cant imagine why that would be
Apr 11 16:36:18 <kaneda^> anyways, i'll bbl
Apr 11 16:41:47 <vangi__> StingRay sweet its working now!! The code is abit retarted... but its working :) thanks!
Apr 11 16:43:20 <quietschie> kaneda^:i removed the system.out but it still makes 100 frames in 21 seconds.
Apr 11 16:44:08 <mmoassistdev1> he be back later
Apr 11 16:45:11 <WhereIsMySpoon> kaneda^: will doing what http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html says for writing to internal storage overwrite anything already in the specified filename?
Apr 11 16:45:47 <quietschie> mmoassistdev1: i read that, thanks. but when he comes back, he'll probably see my message :)
Apr 11 16:48:46 <WhereIsMySpoon> ok nvm, i just saw it replaces it
Apr 11 16:54:41 <hwrd|work> Is anyone here familiar with the MediaExtractor API? Does anyone know if its possible to use a byte buffer with this at all?
Apr 11 16:57:37 <evanc> hwrd|work: the javadocs show a ByteBuffer example, unless I'm missing something
Apr 11 16:58:18 <hwrd|work> evanc: Sorry, I should have been more specific. To use a ByteBuffer as a data source.
Apr 11 16:58:33 <vangi__> so.... If I got 25 images that are loaded using a switch case block and the position parameter (Im using a ViewPager), is it more efficiet to use a Typed Array to store the images IDs in an xml file and load them this way instead of 25 cases ?
Apr 11 16:58:43 <hwrd|work> Right now it seems you can only use files/file descriptors. But what if you have only part of a media file and want to play the chunk you have?
Apr 11 17:00:20 <vangi__> yeah. I think ill use that.
Apr 11 17:05:14 <hwrd|work> Ah, it seems this is what I was missing: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/commit/c209a06cfdcf633f12a299245312e3ac32bff27c
Apr 11 17:05:18 <hwrd|work> fwiw
Apr 11 17:09:08 <hosler> how do i make my app not crash when an exception is thrown?
Apr 11 17:09:23 <JakeWharton> you should want your app to crash if an exception is thrown
Apr 11 17:09:25 <JakeWharton> then you know what to fix
Apr 11 17:09:55 <hosler> well my close button to close bluetooth connection makes my app crash
Apr 11 17:10:21 <JakeWharton> then you should look at the exception and see what the problem is and fix it
Apr 11 17:10:24 <hosler> and other buttons make it crash when im not connected
Apr 11 17:10:39 <JakeWharton> if you're not connected then why would the other buttons be enabled?
Apr 11 17:11:06 <hosler> dunno hah
Apr 11 17:12:42 <Leeds> I suggest adding a 'Crash' button which you can group all crashing functions under, leave the other buttons as they are, then disable the Crash button before publishing
Apr 11 17:14:28 <WhereIsMySpoon> if i'm trying to read a file using Context.openFileInput(String filename) do I need to put "files/myFile.txt" or just "myFile.txt"
Apr 11 17:14:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> or something else
Apr 11 17:24:21 <slide23> So Does anyone have any ideas how I could modify the zoom level in Simpson Tapped Out without decompiling it and creating a new apk? Ideally something I could launch alongside the game and it would change the max zoom level of the running game
Apr 11 17:25:15 <evanc> slide23: move the phone closer to your face?
Apr 11 17:25:23 <slide23> lol
Apr 11 17:25:33 <slide23> no i want to zoom OUT so I can see the entire town
Apr 11 17:25:48 <slide23> i can only see like 1/10th
Apr 11 17:28:19 <xorgate> i'd take it up with the devs of that particular game
Apr 11 17:28:39 <slide> yea its EA.... soooo thats like pissing into the wind lol
Apr 11 17:29:08 <lov> so instead you're taking it up with a bunch of random people on the internet, in what is decidedly the wrong channel
Apr 11 17:29:26 <lov> have you considered getting an MBA?
Apr 11 17:29:49 <slide> ok let me make my question more generic.... Is it possibly to modify another apps memory/objects?
Apr 11 17:30:30 <StingRay_> slide: there will be a fair number of reasons for what they have done
Apr 11 17:30:47 <StingRay_> max draw rate being the primary
Apr 11 17:30:59 <StingRay_> with all objects in transition or active
Apr 11 17:31:28 <lov> slide: sure; just compile a new firmware and push it to your device that allows you to do incredibly dumb things without oversight.
Apr 11 17:31:39 <lov> implementation is left as an exercise for the reader
Apr 11 17:31:40 <slide> well if it doesnt work, then ive wasted a bit of time, but id still like to try
Apr 11 17:31:49 <slide> wat
Apr 11 17:32:07 <Quacked> That icon placed in actionbar by default when you make an activity with a normal holo, what pixel size is that?
Apr 11 17:32:17 <slide> i mean i know its possible, ive used "Game Guardian" and "GameCIH"
Apr 11 17:32:29 <slide> to modify game memory before
Apr 11 17:32:52 <dragorn> because what I want to do is turn something from china loose on my system ram, on a device which has my billing info
Apr 11 17:32:54 <dragorn> It's a great plan!
Apr 11 17:33:18 <lov> well they use yuans over there and I don't have any of them so it's not really a big deal
Apr 11 17:33:21 <Quacked> It looks like 48x48
Apr 11 17:33:24 <lov> what are they going to do steal my 0 yuans?
Apr 11 17:33:28 <dragorn> lov: oh, duh. :)
Apr 11 17:33:41 <SimonVT> Quacked: http://developer.android.com/design/style/iconography.html
Apr 11 17:33:43 <lov> nice try guys, you're going to have to float me some money so you can steal it
Apr 11 17:33:57 <dragorn> lov: no hacker tool ever misrepresented itself anyhow, I'm silly for worrying :P
Apr 11 17:34:01 <lov> </economic policy commentary>
Apr 11 17:34:22 <kaneda^> quietschie, http://imrannazar.com/Augmented-Reality-with-the-Android-NDK%3a-Part-1 <-- might help to check this out
Apr 11 17:42:04 <quietschie> kaneda^:thx for the link, i don't see, where he does anything else than i do - is it possible that i can't get 20fps because i'm using an AVD?
Apr 11 17:42:11 <bluesm> How adt extension to eclipse make the app to start when compile ?
Apr 11 17:42:18 <bluesm> How recreate it from command line ?
Apr 11 17:42:29 <kaneda^> quietschie, yes
Apr 11 17:43:05 <quietschie> ok, then i'll try it on my device
Apr 11 17:44:51 <kaneda^> quietschie, what kind of device?
Apr 11 17:45:03 <quietschie> htc wildfire-s
Apr 11 17:47:09 <quietschie> got2go..bbl...thanks for all help kaneda^
Apr 11 17:47:49 <evanc> bluesm: adb shell am start
Apr 11 17:50:19 <bluesm> evanc:  am ?
Apr 11 17:50:29 <SimonVT> yep, am
Apr 11 17:51:08 <Quacked> Not possible to have different icon in actionbar than launcher for MainActivity? I try to set it with "requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_LEFT_ICON); setContentView(R.layout.activity_main);setFeatureDrawableResource(Window.FEATURE_LEFT_ICON, R.drawable.icon);", but it removes the icon completely and shows a tiny actionbar
Apr 11 17:51:45 <bluesm>  SimonVT:  adb shell (runs the busbox on device)   what "am start" mean ?
Apr 11 17:51:45 <evanc> Quacked: ActionBar#setIcon
Apr 11 17:51:56 <evanc> bluesm: it means "am start"
Apr 11 17:52:07 <SimonVT> Quacked: Check the actionbar docs.. The icon is after all in the actionbar
Apr 11 17:52:12 <SimonVT> I'm sure you can find a setter for the icon
Apr 11 17:52:18 <SimonVT> Like, I don't know, setIcon
Apr 11 17:52:25 <evanc> bluesm: there's a binary called "am" and it takes in an argument "start"
Apr 11 17:53:27 <Quacked> getActionBar requires api 11
Apr 11 17:53:40 <SimonVT> yes?
Apr 11 17:53:50 <ninharp> anyone anytime anything done with andengine? i got stuck on the collision detection
Apr 11 17:53:52 <Quacked> oh right
Apr 11 17:54:04 <JakeWharton> Quacked: you can set it in the theme
Apr 11 17:54:21 <JakeWharton> well, you can set a reference to a custom action bar style that references a different icon
Apr 11 17:54:57 <SimonVT> But that requires api 11
Apr 11 17:55:25 <Quacked> I'll just do a check for api version
Apr 11 17:56:50 <Quacked> workie
Apr 11 17:56:52 <evanc> just use ActionBarSherlock
Apr 11 17:57:03 <Quacked> thanks, evanc
Apr 11 17:58:35 <StingRay_> Quacked: hows your icon look now ?
Apr 11 18:00:07 <Quacked> http://bildr.no/image/1436389.jpeg
Apr 11 18:00:38 <Quacked> tinkering a bit with lower resolutions etc.. finding out what looks ok
Apr 11 18:00:45 <StingRay_> hmmm
Apr 11 18:01:14 <StingRay_> you still have the "I dont know if I want to be a uniform bevel or an inner shadow" look going on
Apr 11 18:01:45 <Quacked> found out that resizing 512x512 to 77x78 instead of 78x78 did wonders
Apr 11 18:01:49 <xorgate> when using Google Analytics, i can define a broadcast receiver to catch a referrer for my app install. https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v2/campaigns#google-play-campaigns  the question is, how does it know my analyticsID ? i can define one in xml, but i can also NOT do that. So i'm confused
Apr 11 18:02:05 <Quacked> StingRay_: true, though I think I reduced the effect a bit
Apr 11 18:02:45 <StingRay_> yeah, I still hate it   lol   :)
Apr 11 18:02:48 <Quacked> StingRay_: the effect is inner glow in PS with 35px size and 0% choke
Apr 11 18:02:50 <Quacked> :)
Apr 11 18:03:44 <StingRay_> I came close to doing one for you earlier !!!
Apr 11 18:04:31 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 11 18:04:32 <Quacked> http://bildr.no/image/1436397.jpeg
Apr 11 18:05:05 <StingRay_> yeah, not a strong presence there  :(
Apr 11 18:06:22 <Quacked> im fairly happy with the "content" now, but I still would like to replace that inner glow with something else
Apr 11 18:08:42 <bluesm> evanc:    am start com.example.myfirstapp/.MainActivity   ?
Apr 11 18:09:20 <evanc> bluesm: just run "am start" and read the docs
Apr 11 18:09:33 <evanc> but that looks like it should work. Press enter and find out.
Apr 11 18:11:42 <bluesm> evanc: I'm not so stupid, I ask because it don't work.
Apr 11 18:12:19 <viiralvx> Hey guys.
Apr 11 18:12:43 <viiralvx> I'm having a design problem with my application
Apr 11 18:13:24 <konr> There is a timer in my cordova-based app that stops triggering events some time after the device's screen turns off. Why does this happen? Does it get into some 'sleep mode'? If so, should I proceed by making the device not sleep or is there some native timer without this problem?
Apr 11 18:14:58 <viiralvx> Right now, the user queries an API, which starts a new activity and generates a playlist of songs to stream via a service, but when I leave the playlist activity to go back to the main activity, it destroys the playlist activity and destroys the playlist business . . .
Apr 11 18:15:11 <viiralvx> Therefore losing the songs in the playlist and having to refetch next time the activity is started
Apr 11 18:15:32 <viiralvx> Could this be fixed by just constantly passing around an ArrayList<SongClass> between activities, or is that inefficient?
Apr 11 18:17:10 <viiralvx> So many people, so few responses. ._.
Apr 11 18:17:12 <evanc> yes, to both of those
Apr 11 18:17:32 <viiralvx> evanc: Yes to who? :o
Apr 11 18:17:49 <evanc> viiralvx: you. It could (maybe) "fix" the issue, but it's also inefficient
Apr 11 18:18:01 <evanc> I suspect you want to just commit that shit to your service
Apr 11 18:18:15 <evanc> have the service maintain the playlist, and have your playlist activity update it
Apr 11 18:19:08 <evanc> bluesm: what didn't work? please be more specific
Apr 11 18:19:11 <viiralvx> evanc: Ooooh, okay. I have two services though.
Apr 11 18:19:28 <viiralvx> evanc: One service for the initial building of the playlist, second service for music playback.
Apr 11 18:20:17 <bluesm> I compile with "ant debug"
Apr 11 18:20:31 <bluesm> then "adb shell am start"
Apr 11 18:20:45 <bluesm> And It shows the Error: No intent supplied
Apr 11 18:20:52 <bluesm> evanc: ^
Apr 11 18:20:59 <evanc> as the error message indicates, you didn't supply an intent
Apr 11 18:21:28 <evanc> read all of that crap that `adb shell am start` spits out
Apr 11 18:21:46 <viiralvx> So if the user navigates back to the PlaylistActivity . . . it should just by default check to see if the playback service is going on and if it is, build the playlist adapter from that list?
Apr 11 18:29:48 <viiralvx> evanc: So if the user navigates back to the PlaylistActivity . . . it should just by default check to see if the playback service is going on and if it is, build the playlist adapter from that list?
Apr 11 18:34:03 <evanc> sounds like a plan, viiralvx
Apr 11 18:34:59 <viiralvx> Eff, how do you check to see if a music service exists? Bleh.
Apr 11 18:35:11 <lagann> anyone know how to glob multiple values in sqlite?
Apr 11 18:35:27 <lagann> i want to run a query then glob all the results to that query
Apr 11 18:37:21 <bluesm> evanc:  IT work...    am start -n com.example.myfirstapp/.MainActivity
Apr 11 18:37:21 <bluesm>   (But could you explain "-n" parameter) ?
Apr 11 18:37:47 <bluesm> evanc: I call the MainActivity method from com.example.myfirstapp package
Apr 11 18:38:08 <Quacked> bluesm: dont you get a list when you type "am start"?
Apr 11 18:38:16 <Quacked> with all the different letters you can use
Apr 11 18:38:18 <bluesm> evanc: Or could you link me to the docs ? I can't find any official papers.
Apr 11 18:38:43 <bluesm> Quacked: "am start" return Error: No intent supplied
Apr 11 18:39:03 <StingRay_> http://en.androidwiki.com/wiki/ADB_Shell_Command_Reference  1st google search result
Apr 11 18:39:15 <StingRay_> total search time  0.5 seconds ;)
Apr 11 18:40:03 <Quacked> not if you search string is donkey
Apr 11 18:40:04 <bluesm> StingRay_:  Oook. But I said about "official" papers.
Apr 11 18:40:07 <benlieb> are there any recommended db abstraction libraries for interacting with databases? My first search turned up this, but since I'm new to android dev, wanted some human feedback…. https://code.google.com/p/android-active-record/
Apr 11 18:40:40 <StingRay_> bluesm: and whats the difference ?
Apr 11 18:40:50 <bluesm> StingRay_: This really doesn't explain good for a newbie.
Apr 11 18:41:01 <StingRay_> erm
Apr 11 18:41:13 <StingRay_> and you think the offical command param docs will be a tutorial ?
Apr 11 18:41:33 <StingRay_> adb --help
Apr 11 18:41:43 <StingRay_> there ya go, offical :)
Apr 11 18:42:10 <benlieb> Anyone use this? https://www.activeandroid.com/
Apr 11 18:42:53 <StingRay_> benlieb: that seems like you actually type more ??
Apr 11 18:43:04 <StingRay_> rather than just executing raw query
Apr 11 18:44:14 <KaiSVK> Hello all, did I forget something from school? Why is this throwing nullpointer exception ? if(token.length() == 32)...
Apr 11 18:44:42 <evanc> bluesm: "am start" *is* your docs
Apr 11 18:45:02 <benlieb> StingRay_: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/gblock/archive/2006/10/26/ten-advantages-of-an-orm.aspx
Apr 11 18:45:44 <evanc> bluesm: `adb shell am start com.example.myfirstapp/.MainActivity` should do the trick, assuming your package is com.example.myfirstapp and your activity is com.example.myfirstapp.MainActivity
Apr 11 18:46:18 <kjeldahl> KaiSVK: token is null
Apr 11 18:46:49 <kjeldahl> Which school was that btw? ;-)
Apr 11 18:47:21 <bluesm> evanc:  I have to provide -n parameter. I do not understand it fully.
Apr 11 18:48:05 <evanc> bluesm: no you don't
Apr 11 18:48:14 <evanc> but if you want to, do so
Apr 11 18:50:14 <bluesm> evanc: I want to understand, but there is not docs "from this perspective" :)   -n <COMPONENT>  ?
Apr 11 18:51:20 <evanc> bluesm: you don't have to specify -n
Apr 11 18:51:31 <KaiSVK> kjeldahl: hmmm... I am loading the token before that comparison... its not null :
Apr 11 18:53:07 <kjeldahl> KaiSVK: It is. Use the debugger or assert it. That is assuming you have correctly identified the source line where it happens. Your "load token" fails for some reason.
Apr 11 18:54:18 <KaiSVK> kjeldahl: token is assigned in onPostExecute() in async task :/ but I am leaving it 10 seconds to happen :/
Apr 11 18:54:44 <bluesm> evanc: without it; Starting: Intent { act=android.intent.action.VIEW dat=com.example.myfirstapp/.MainActivity }
Apr 11 18:54:44 <bluesm> Error: Activity not started, unable to resolve Intent { act=android.intent.action.VIEW dat=com.example.myfirstapp/.MainActivity flg=0x10000000 }
Apr 11 18:54:45 <kjeldahl> KaiSVK: Or change it to "if ((token != null) && (token.length() == 32)) ..." and observe the exception magically disappearing before your eyes!
Apr 11 18:55:37 <JesusFreke> KaiSVK: are you starting an async task, and then sleeping for 10s?
Apr 11 18:55:46 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: yea...
Apr 11 18:56:13 <JesusFreke> Depending on what threads your on, I think onPostExecute might not be executed until you exit the method where you started the asynctask
Apr 11 18:56:15 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: well I guess it's not that async anymore ;)
Apr 11 18:56:17 <JesusFreke> you're*
Apr 11 18:57:08 <JesusFreke> why not do whatever you're trying to do directly in onPostExecute?
Apr 11 18:57:17 <JesusFreke> That's what its for
Apr 11 18:57:40 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: I would need to startActivity from there
Apr 11 18:58:08 <evanc> bluesm: ah, crap, you need to specify an action and/or a category I think. Whatever, just specify -n
Apr 11 18:58:11 <JesusFreke> is there a problem with that? :)
Apr 11 18:58:20 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: and for some reason I can not do it :/ I don't see activityStart from there
Apr 11 18:58:27 <JesusFreke> umm
Apr 11 18:58:48 <JesusFreke> Assuming your asynctask is a non-static inner class, use the syntax ParentClass.this.startActivity
Apr 11 18:59:05 <JesusFreke> otherwise, pass in a context
Apr 11 18:59:10 <bluesm>  evanc:  Thanks for you time ! :)
Apr 11 18:59:25 <bluesm>  evanc: I hope I will understand it all under long way :]
Apr 11 18:59:44 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: I will try to play with it more ... are you planning on leaving any time soon ? :)
Apr 11 18:59:55 <bluesm>  evanc:  "Even the longest journey have to start with first step"
Apr 11 19:00:18 <kjeldahl> KaiSVK: Sounds like you're mixing up async and multi-threading. If you only have one thread, nothing else exceutes while you sleep. In theory, you could use a timer of some sort instead which works within an async context.
Apr 11 19:00:42 <JesusFreke> using a timer or a sleep for synchronization is really not a good idea :)
Apr 11 19:01:03 <kjeldahl> KaiSVK: But most likely, you're doing it wrong and need to find a better pattern for doing what you are trying to do.
Apr 11 19:01:24 <kjeldahl> JesusFreke: amen
Apr 11 19:01:37 <KaiSVK> :D
Apr 11 19:01:40 <KaiSVK> yeah exactly :D
Apr 11 19:04:25 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: I created a class file for Class GetToken but I can not see methods of activity from there (like the startActivity) I can only see MainActivity variables
Apr 11 19:05:07 <JesusFreke> KaiSVK: if it's a non-static inner class, use the Parent.this syntax. otherwise pass in a context. like I already said :p
Apr 11 19:05:32 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: whish I understood the word context :/
Apr 11 19:05:43 <JesusFreke> KaiSVK: look up the Context class
Apr 11 19:05:49 <JesusFreke> hint: your activity class is a Context
Apr 11 19:06:17 <JesusFreke> A Context is what has the startActivity method, etc.
Apr 11 19:09:58 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: well ... pased on what you told me :D I somehow Ctrl+spaced this : MainActivity.this.getApplicationContext().startActivity(MainActivity.this.openMenu);
Apr 11 19:10:03 <rgvneil> hi everyone
Apr 11 19:10:21 <lov> ._.
Apr 11 19:10:23 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: I am just wondering if it's gonna work
Apr 11 19:10:28 <JesusFreke> KaiSVK: take out the getApplicationContext()
Apr 11 19:10:41 <JesusFreke> but otherwise, yes. that is the Parent.this syntax that I mentioned
Apr 11 19:10:43 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: Then I don't see startActivity :/
Apr 11 19:11:01 <JesusFreke> If MainActivity is an Activity class, then yes you do :)
Apr 11 19:11:27 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: :D lol
Apr 11 19:11:40 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: now suddenly Eclipse doesn't scream :D
Apr 11 19:11:55 <rgvneil> Has anyone used webView with frames (and http basic auth?)
Apr 11 19:29:37 <mcr-credil> hi. Is it just me, or is: repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest.git broken, ?  is that really the right URL?  I'm wondering if an edit to http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html left the wrong URL there.
Apr 11 19:32:50 <JesusFreke> mcr-credil: pretty sure that's the right url
Apr 11 19:33:27 <JesusFreke> repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest.git works for me
Apr 11 19:33:35 <mcr-credil> trying to init on a new machine, and I get complaints that I need a manifest, running curl against it gives me a nice HTML output with the history.
Apr 11 19:34:06 <JesusFreke> what is the output of repo init?
Apr 11 19:35:16 <mcr-credil> c3p0-[~/mirror] mcr 1122 %repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/mirror/manifest --mirror
Apr 11 19:35:16 <mcr-credil> error: manifest required for this command -- please run init
Apr 11 19:35:25 <rgvneil> Has anyone used webView with frames (and http basic auth?)
Apr 11 19:35:37 <lov> probably.
Apr 11 19:35:46 <lov> also.... frames o_O
Apr 11 19:35:54 <lov> I'd like to welcome you to the year 2013
Apr 11 19:35:57 <JesusFreke> mcr-credil: does it work without --mirror? (I would assume not)
Apr 11 19:36:06 <JesusFreke> oh
Apr 11 19:36:11 <lov> you appear to have time travelled over 15 years into the future
Apr 11 19:36:19 <JesusFreke> you're using the wrong url
Apr 11 19:36:30 <JesusFreke> https://android.googlesource.com/mirror/manifest.git, not https://android.googlesource.com/mirror/manifest :)
Apr 11 19:36:50 <mcr-credil> JesusFreke, copy and pasted straight from: http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html :-)
Apr 11 19:37:28 <mcr-credil> c3p0-[~/mirror] mcr 1124 %repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/mirror/manifest.git --mirror
Apr 11 19:37:28 <mcr-credil> error: manifest required for this command -- please run init
Apr 11 19:37:37 <JesusFreke> mcr-credil: actually, either way works for me
Apr 11 19:37:41 <JesusFreke> with or without .git
Apr 11 19:37:48 <JesusFreke> do you have the latest version of repo?
Apr 11 19:37:59 <rgvneil> frames suck, eh?
Apr 11 19:38:07 <mcr-credil> hmm. I wonder if you have IPv6... I do.
Apr 11 19:38:15 <JesusFreke> I do
Apr 11 19:38:45 <rgvneil> I'm having an issue where if i use a non-frames site, very well, if frames site (e.g. on same server) then everything denied (http auth doesn't work)
Apr 11 19:39:15 <JesusFreke> mcr-credil: ssh'd to my home machine. it works from there too
Apr 11 19:39:24 <mcr-credil> JesusFreke, I did run curl to update ~/bin/repo.
Apr 11 19:39:26 <JesusFreke> not sure why it's not working for you
Apr 11 19:39:44 <mcr-credil> c3p0-[~/mirror] mcr 1131 %md5sum ~/bin/repo
Apr 11 19:39:44 <mcr-credil> 5dd43b1df9daeb0706f1ad1755eeaa2d  /home/mcr/bin/repo
Apr 11 19:40:01 <JesusFreke> It's probably newer than my repo :)
Apr 11 19:40:55 <mcr-credil> i've found ~/.repo, which is an error, and removed it, and I think it's working now.
Apr 11 19:41:03 <JesusFreke> ahh, yea
Apr 11 19:41:07 <JesusFreke> that would do it
Apr 11 20:03:44 <g00s> new google analytics revision (rev 3)
Apr 11 20:08:50 <meetoman> hey guys
Apr 11 20:09:05 <rgvneil> hey meetoman, how's it going?
Apr 11 20:09:12 <meetoman> i want to randomly simulate pause and start for my video player
Apr 11 20:09:16 <meetoman> i am trying to winder what to do
Apr 11 20:10:47 <meetoman> wonder
Apr 11 20:19:59 <rgvneil> odd, i'm trying to make a projector report status and power on and off and such, and am happy that pause and start does work. :)  i haven't used video player on android though.  it's a custom made from scratch type video player?
Apr 11 20:20:15 <rgvneil> (used meaning made/worked with of course)
Apr 11 20:33:52 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: I made it :) I checked the token by .contains(regex) and then called a method in the MainActivity which in turn instantiate Intent and open a new activity (Menu)
Apr 11 20:34:08 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: thanks a lot for all your help
Apr 11 20:34:42 <KaiSVK> JesusFreke: now when I know how to get things from URLs I need to write a XML Parser ...
Apr 11 20:38:43 <joar`> KaiSVK: don't write your own XML parser.
Apr 11 20:39:19 <joar`> KaiSVK: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/network-ops/xml.html
Apr 11 20:42:09 <bluesm> Why the  main.xml  (layout folder) can't have first blank line ?
Apr 11 20:42:31 <bluesm> If it have ant debug return  -> Error parsing XML: XML or text declaration not at start of entity
Apr 11 20:47:27 <joar`> you might need an XML declaration
Apr 11 20:47:51 <joar`> my main.xml doesn't have one though
Apr 11 20:48:59 <joar`> bluesm: have you tried searching the web?
Apr 11 20:52:05 <spike|spiegel> xml all the things!
Apr 11 20:52:48 <bluesm>  spike|spiegel:?
Apr 11 20:53:39 <transfire> Is there anyone here that provide assistance with InputConnection API? -- I may have found a bug in Android.
Apr 11 20:53:43 <spike|spiegel> bluesm: it's spec :)
Apr 11 20:55:08 <bluesm>  spike|spiegel: from ?
Apr 11 20:55:50 <robertj> I haven't done any android dev yet but am becoming more interested. Are there any suitable APIs for doing background telephy-type things? Specificially, looking for the 'computer, on screen' kinda vibe, battery-life-be-damned
Apr 11 20:56:30 <KaiSVK> joar`: thanks I stumbled across that link days ago...
Apr 11 20:56:44 <KaiSVK> joar`: of course I won't be writing my own, I meant like imeplementation of it :/
Apr 11 20:56:54 <KaiSVK> joar`: my XML is quite different than in the example
Apr 11 20:57:14 <wassup> hi
Apr 11 20:57:27 <g00s> wassup
Apr 11 20:57:34 <wassup> if you had to decide, what would you choose - a web app or a native app?
Apr 11 20:57:40 <wassup> possibly a hybrid as well?
Apr 11 20:57:42 <g00s> ok, hold on
Apr 11 20:58:00 <g00s> thats a religious war, just to let you know
Apr 11 20:58:07 <wassup> damn it
Apr 11 20:58:16 <wassup> flame is not my intention :P
Apr 11 20:58:24 <g00s> it repends on your requirements, your expected level of commitment of users, and how much money you have
Apr 11 20:58:36 <wassup> I've got $0
Apr 11 20:58:40 <wassup> :D
Apr 11 20:58:49 <g00s> well, like many android devs i bet ;)
Apr 11 20:59:00 <g00s> and mobile devs in general
Apr 11 20:59:05 <spike|spiegel> bluesm: xml?
Apr 11 20:59:13 <wassup> the point is I'm far from being called a dev :P
Apr 11 20:59:19 <wassup> and that's why my question came up
Apr 11 20:59:33 <wassup> I can find my way in some web development python/django, etc.
Apr 11 20:59:48 <wassup> yet I would need to take some time to get my way around java/android
Apr 11 21:00:19 <g00s> well, you can look at mobile web if thats more comfortable for you. there is definitely a sweet spot for that technology
Apr 11 21:00:53 <g00s> if i was Avis rent-a-car, i would probably have a html5 app; not a native one - unless the native one needed HW stuff like, talking to the car computer via OBDII or something
Apr 11 21:01:05 <g00s> customers aren't really willing to install every damn thing
Apr 11 21:01:11 <wassup> I would need to keep the databases with user info on some central server anyway
Apr 11 21:01:16 <g00s> so there is a spot for mobile web, and you can make a living from that
Apr 11 21:01:41 <wassup> however, I would need a couple of android stuff itself
Apr 11 21:01:44 <bluesm> spike|spiegel:  You mean spec that "xml" document have to begin with the header (can't begin with blank line) ?
Apr 11 21:01:47 <wassup> like camera or gps
Apr 11 21:01:48 <bluesm> spike|spiegel:  Right ?
Apr 11 21:02:19 <g00s> wassup: hmm, gps probably has html5 spec or something … camera … is a tough one, on android, even for native
Apr 11 21:02:47 <spike|spiegel> bluesm: yeah, declaration or root tag.. can't have anything else as 1st line
Apr 11 21:03:29 <wassup> g00s: not easy to just take a picture and transparently send it somewhere?
Apr 11 21:03:34 <g00s> there are lots of apps using camera on android; its just one area of APIs I've tended to avoid b/c of lots of flakiness between oems
Apr 11 21:03:45 <bluesm> spike|spiegel: Root tag ? Root tag should surround whole document... It's kind of header ....
Apr 11 21:03:49 <bluesm> ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
Apr 11 21:03:58 <bluesm> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
Apr 11 21:04:02 <spike|spiegel> bluesm: that's the declaration
Apr 11 21:04:16 <spike|spiegel> if it's present ... it must be the first line
Apr 11 21:04:28 <bluesm>  spike|spiegel: Ok. Thank you very much for your time :)
Apr 11 21:04:29 <g00s> wassup: of course, if you go html5 / mobile web route, you have to deal with flakiness of lots of different browsers
Apr 11 21:04:52 <bubbleguuum> FRAGMENTATION!
Apr 11 21:04:55 <g00s> poor ux often, slowness of downloading and rendering tons of js, etc
Apr 11 21:05:01 <bubbleguuum> sorry for shouting
Apr 11 21:05:52 <wassup> g00s: thank you for your answers :)
Apr 11 21:06:01 <pfn> well, html5 in a webview isn't completely terrible, if you're doing it relatively lightweight
Apr 11 21:06:03 <g00s> wassup: so all i can say is, "it depends". hope that helps, gotta run
Apr 11 21:06:09 <pfn> it does suck in terms of L&F, though
Apr 11 21:06:51 <wassup> l&f?
Apr 11 21:07:36 <evanc> look & feel, I assume
Apr 11 21:08:18 <wassup> ah, ok
Apr 11 21:09:04 <wassup> then, last question - is it better to use, for the theming purposes, stuff like bootstrap/foundation or sencha/phonegap is the way?
Apr 11 21:17:13 <mcr-credil> it seems that repo download doesn't work from a directory made from a mirror....
Apr 11 21:17:25 <mcr-credil> doing a git remove, and then git add of the proper upstream lets it work.
Apr 11 21:20:35 <pfn> wassup, that's for you to investigate and make a decision for yourself
Apr 11 21:23:49 <quietschie> perhaps i'm asking total bullsh*t, but how can i get a reference on the instance of MainActivity?
Apr 11 21:23:57 <xorgate> 'this'
Apr 11 21:25:23 <quietschie> ok, but i do have no constructor, and this doesn't work in static context...so i have to do sth. like a fake Singleton ?
Apr 11 21:25:43 <xorgate> what are you trying to achieve
Apr 11 21:26:00 <evanc> quietschie: it sounds like you're trying to do something that's a Bad Thing™
Apr 11 21:27:15 <quietschie> hihi...am i forbidden to do a "Bad Thing" because it'S trademarked? :)
Apr 11 21:27:55 <pfn> do you really need a reference to your activity?
Apr 11 21:28:01 <spike|spiegel> actions can't be trade marked. doh.
Apr 11 21:28:10 <pfn> a lot of times, you can extend Application, and expose that with a static accessor
Apr 11 21:28:19 <pfn> and still be quite safe in the grand scheme of things
Apr 11 21:28:49 <evanc> spike|spiegel: a) citation needed and b) that's a noun
Apr 11 21:29:02 <pfn> since application is singleton, for all intents and purposes, and is available throughout practically any point of your app
Apr 11 21:29:02 <pfn> (except some obscure hanging thread maybe)
Apr 11 21:29:04 <quietschie> i'd like to give a Socket Object to another view
Apr 11 21:29:17 <evanc> quietschie: you're looking for a Service
Apr 11 21:30:04 <quietschie> perhaps i am...the beginners tutorial didn't cover services, did it?
Apr 11 21:31:09 <spike|spiegel> evanc: he is not forbidden to *DO* a 'Bad Thing'
Apr 11 21:31:52 <evanc> quietschie: that's like getting to second grade and saying "first grade never taught us how to do subtraction!" :)
Apr 11 21:32:04 <ian_ford> Anybody know if it's possible to use a ViewPager with something other than fragments? (Say, ImageViews?)
Apr 11 21:32:48 <quietschie> in second grade i had a teacher, evanc
Apr 11 21:35:42 <quietschie> ok, i guess, a service will suit my needs...thaks, evanc
Apr 11 21:35:53 <xorgate> yay made $0.99 already today
Apr 11 21:35:58 <xorgate> what could i get for 99 ct
Apr 11 21:36:20 <evanc> xorgate: almost a dollar?
Apr 11 21:36:53 <xorgate> yup
Apr 11 21:37:13 <xorgate> it's very cool to see my ad impressions going up every day
Apr 11 21:40:18 <jdawes> How does one load images in a gridView asynchronously? Can you just create a new thread when you're creating the adapter and setting the gridview's adapter equal to it?
Apr 11 21:40:43 <xorgate> jdawes there are many examples for this
Apr 11 21:42:41 <jdawes> Yeah, I was just wondering which part of the gridview generation I would need to put on the new thread, and which parts might break if I put them into a new thread.
Apr 11 21:45:21 <birbeck> JakeWharton: *ping*
Apr 11 21:45:58 * JakeWharton rises from his slumber
Apr 11 21:46:05 <birbeck> Dagger 1.0?
Apr 11 21:46:17 <JakeWharton> 4-6 weeks
Apr 11 21:46:38 <birbeck> thats what Jessie said in his talk 4-6 months ago :P
Apr 11 21:46:56 <birbeck> but ok. any big changes?
Apr 11 21:47:03 <ChampS666> is there a way to add the 3dots without an actionbar?
Apr 11 21:47:20 <JakeWharton> ChampS666: add a normal action item with an icon that has 3 dots...
Apr 11 21:47:35 <JakeWharton> birbeck: no. the API and functionality has been stable for some time
Apr 11 21:47:41 <JakeWharton> 1.0's are hard
Apr 11 21:47:41 <birbeck> ok
Apr 11 21:48:05 <birbeck> and he skipped over dagger+proguard. any surprises there?
Apr 11 21:48:17 <ChampS666> mh it's a little bit difficult
Apr 11 21:48:34 <JakeWharton> we don't use proguard
Apr 11 21:48:37 <ChampS666> so I want to use the hardware button on android 2.3 - 3.x
Apr 11 21:48:44 <JakeWharton> so, don't let it strip annotations is my best guess
Apr 11 21:48:52 <ChampS666> or in other case
Apr 11 21:48:56 <birbeck> hmm, ok
Apr 11 21:49:03 <ChampS666> I want to use the hardware button if its available
Apr 11 21:49:11 <birbeck> thanks, ill let you sleep again
Apr 11 21:49:18 <ChampS666> if not there should be the 3dots settings button on the software button strip
Apr 11 21:49:19 <JakeWharton> ChampS666: then no. you're fighting the platform
Apr 11 21:50:12 <bankai_> in a custom view to force a redraw do i just need to invalidate() or is there another step to the process?
Apr 11 21:50:50 <ChampS666> mh but that's horrible, if someone using a big phone it's better to use this button in the software button strip
Apr 11 21:50:59 <JakeWharton> invalidate() is correct.
Apr 11 21:51:06 <JakeWharton> specify a specific region to make it even faster
Apr 11 21:51:15 <bankai_> bah bugs elesewhere then, thanks :)
Apr 11 21:52:16 <evanc> ChampS666: what you're trying to do sounds horrible
Apr 11 21:52:41 <ChampS666> why?
Apr 11 21:52:54 <ChampS666> there are many applications which are using this button on the software button strip
Apr 11 21:54:32 <ChampS666> but I think the best solution will be an actionbar above the software button strip
Apr 11 21:54:36 <ChampS666> I'll try this
Apr 11 21:55:20 <evanc> apps that use that are just out of date (seriously)
Apr 11 21:55:34 <evanc> set your targetSdkVersion to e.g. 9 and you'll get that automatically
Apr 11 21:55:37 <ChampS666> but tell me the reason
Apr 11 21:56:07 <evanc> because the platform needs to do that for legacy applications
Apr 11 22:11:17 <wassup> hm
Apr 11 22:12:01 <wassup> if I want to make a hybrid app and, let's say, use PhoneGap - should I use it with a webview or just with some browser?
Apr 11 22:12:47 <Dalv_Vokicz> Hello. Does the date of birth affects on anything in Google Checkout?
Apr 11 22:12:55 <Dalv_Vokicz> affect
Apr 11 22:13:28 <g00s> birbeck: may as well get proguard 4.9; sdk ver is old
Apr 11 22:23:50 <roadfish> is there a way to access the contents of AVD cut-and-paste from the desktop?
Apr 11 22:24:57 <evanc> no
Apr 11 22:25:25 <roadfish> )-;
Apr 11 22:25:56 <roadfish> would be handy
Apr 11 22:33:08 <uragano2> Hello, i am having an issue, but i don't understand why it happens! This is the relevant code http://pastebin.com/rpJtg9ey and listAdapter http://pastebin.com/sSADsvys
Apr 11 22:34:17 <uragano2> it think that it's the right way, but seems that i have a refence problem
Apr 11 22:35:28 <uragano2> in the adaptor obj is yet the old object i think :/
Apr 11 22:58:39 <xissy> Hello,
Apr 11 22:59:05 <xissy> is there anyone who is using sublime text2 as IDE instead of Eclipse?
Apr 11 22:59:13 <xissy> for android developing.
Apr 11 23:00:05 <sonOfRa> xissy, i doubt it, because sublime lacks many things necessary
Apr 11 23:00:09 <sonOfRa> proper logcat integration
Apr 11 23:00:14 <sonOfRa> automatic generation of R.java
Apr 11 23:01:07 <xissy> sonOfRa: logcat could be viewed through adb but R.java seems a problem.
Apr 11 23:01:40 <sonOfRa> you can manually keep it up to date, or write a plugin for sublime, both of which are probably not trivial
Apr 11 23:01:41 <xissy> I'm using a macbook air which is so slow with elcipse.
Apr 11 23:01:56 <sonOfRa> juno sr2?
Apr 11 23:02:06 <xissy> then can you recommend any other one for me?
Apr 11 23:02:11 <sonOfRa> the most recent version feels alot faster than older versions of 4
Apr 11 23:02:25 <sonOfRa> intellij idea is widely used
Apr 11 23:02:30 <bankai_> I like the little inspector dude in intellij window down the bottom. very cute lol
Apr 11 23:04:32 <xissy> thank you sonOfRa, I'm going to install intellij now.
Apr 11 23:05:07 <spike|spiegel> umm you need to pay monies for android support...no
Apr 11 23:05:09 <spike|spiegel> ?
Apr 11 23:05:46 <rdyco> Can android tablets w/ a keyboard be used like a computer to practice java programming? I want to get one to lug around that's compact and can input a few lines of code to practice what i'm being taught in classroom.
Apr 11 23:05:49 <xissy> spike|spiegel: Do I have to pay for android support with intellij?
Apr 11 23:06:12 <spike|spiegel> Last I checked... but been a while
Apr 11 23:06:15 <roadfish> spike|spiegel:we just work for bits
Apr 11 23:06:17 <sonOfRa> i don't know, i just know some people use idea for android
Apr 11 23:07:03 <doogan> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/
Apr 11 23:07:12 <doogan> Community Edition — Free and Open IDE for Java
Apr 11 23:07:13 <doogan> Google Android development including latest SDK support.
Apr 11 23:07:23 <xissy> if intellij provides the cool environment with android devlopment, I can pay a little bit of money surely.
Apr 11 23:07:25 <g00s> xissy: i never used sublime, but i'm sure you can use it. hell, if you can use vim, you can use sublime :)
Apr 11 23:07:52 <g00s> you may need to open logcat in a separate terminal, and have something launch you command line build (build.xml)
Apr 11 23:07:56 <sonOfRa> g00s, you CAN of course, but who uses vim for logcat?
Apr 11 23:08:10 <g00s> i use console for logcat
Apr 11 23:08:15 <g00s> console works with everything
Apr 11 23:08:32 <g00s> xissy: the bigger issue will be the debugger of course
Apr 11 23:08:53 <g00s> so yeah, most will use intellij or eclipse
Apr 11 23:09:07 <xissy> yeah. logcat is not a problem.
Apr 11 23:10:24 <sonOfRa> err, i didn't mean logcat
Apr 11 23:10:28 <sonOfRa> i meant android development in general
Apr 11 23:10:43 <xissy> I'm expecting that intellij satisfies me. :)
Apr 11 23:35:55 <cypha_foss> Hello, I had a quick question. If you have an android app with a part that was java code (ui and some logic) and another part that was native code how could you find out from the java part what sockets the native part opened at some point of the code? Assuming you don't know what the native code is doing. You just start executing it let's say from another thread.
Apr 11 23:44:21 <quietschie> cypha_foss:you could try opening a new socket for each port, some may throw socketException
Apr 11 23:44:41 <cypha_foss> true but what if i don't know the ports from before?
Apr 11 23:44:53 <cypha_foss> I can't do that for each port there is
Apr 11 23:45:19 <cypha_foss> if the native code opens a socket in 3 random ports, i need a way to find out in which it did
Apr 11 23:45:22 <quietschie> you could loop over the ports
Apr 11 23:45:44 <quietschie> use a packetsniffer?
Apr 11 23:45:53 <cypha_foss> indeed but it doesn't sound like a "safe" solution
Apr 11 23:46:07 <cypha_foss> also the packets sent by the native code will be encrypted
Apr 11 23:46:24 <quietschie> it does also not sound like an ordinary problem
Apr 11 23:46:34 <cypha_foss> it isn't :P
Apr 11 23:46:43 <quietschie> you could perhaps use netstat
Apr 11 23:47:01 <cypha_foss> via the java part of the code?
Apr 11 23:47:36 <quietschie> sry, i'm new in android, but it's linux based, isn't it?
Apr 11 23:47:36 <cypha_foss> i don't want to have to root the device for the app
Apr 11 23:48:08 <cypha_foss> yes but if i'm not mistaken it needs rooting to use that kind of tools
Apr 11 23:48:15 <quietschie> if there is a netstat intend, you could do it from the java part
Apr 11 23:48:34 <quietschie> sry, dk
Apr 11 23:49:15 <pfn> cypha_foss, the java code has zero knowledge of what occurs in native code
Apr 11 23:49:53 <pragma-> you could have the native code set some java variables, if it's a library
Apr 11 23:49:57 <pfn> cypha_foss, you would update the native code to execute callbacks in the javacode to let you know where shit is
Apr 11 23:49:59 <cypha_foss> so to find out which ports opened by that native code i could only scan them all before and after i run it ?
Apr 11 23:50:12 <pragma-> if it's an executable, you could have it print out the ports it opens, and then parse that output in java
Apr 11 23:50:13 <pfn> or you would expose a native interface in the native code that the javacode could call into
Apr 11 23:50:30 <pfn> cypha_foss, any other solution is halfassed and you should just not bother
Apr 11 23:50:40 * pragma- beams proudly.
Apr 11 23:50:52 <quietschie> btw, there is a netstat app
Apr 11 23:50:52 <cypha_foss> :) ok sounds feasible
Apr 11 23:50:58 <pragma-> better a half an ass than no ass!
Apr 11 23:51:14 <cypha_foss> thanks very much for the advice :)
Apr 11 23:57:58 <pragma-> pfn: you hurt my feels, bro.
Apr 12 00:00:01 <KungFuHamster> hmm.. loading a mapquest map in a webview isn't working.. works from a pc browser.
Apr 12 00:11:17 <tophyr> is there any way using IAPv3 to get a signed receipt for a past purchase?
Apr 12 00:11:26 <tophyr> (that *has* been consumed)?
Apr 12 00:24:52 <zhej> what's the dif between clickable and long clickable?
Apr 12 00:29:46 <pragma-> zhej: tapping quickly, and holding a press
Apr 12 00:30:05 <zhej> pragma-: ok, ty
Apr 12 00:44:12 <HorizonXP> hey guys
Apr 12 00:44:45 <HorizonXP> i seem to be having trouble with some native code being called from Java via the JNI
Apr 12 00:46:19 <HorizonXP> is there a way to determine what thread my code is running in and maybe print that out?
Apr 12 00:53:33 <pragma-> Morgan Freeman is apparently doing an AMA on reddit right now
Apr 12 00:53:41 * pragma- sees no proof picture, though.
Apr 12 01:01:09 <HorizonXP> anyone know how to get process id and thread id from native code?
Apr 12 01:03:54 <pfn> getpid()
Apr 12 01:04:06 <pfn> thread id is probably something with pthread
Apr 12 01:05:09 <HorizonXP> pfn: defined in unistd.h?
Apr 12 01:05:26 <pfn> HorizonXP, sure
Apr 12 01:13:21 <benlieb> What class should I use to download video files of 30 MB to SDcard?
Apr 12 01:13:33 <benlieb> AsyncTask?
Apr 12 01:13:34 <benlieb> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Apr 12 01:13:51 <JesusFreke> VideoDownloaderOf30MbToSDCard
Apr 12 01:15:40 <benlieb> JesusFreke: ?
Apr 12 01:16:09 <JesusFreke> benlieb: that class sounds like exactly what you need
Apr 12 01:16:20 <JesusFreke> now all you have to do is write it
Apr 12 01:16:35 <benlieb> JesusFreke: If you need to keep threads running for long periods of time, it is highly recommended you use the various APIs provided by the java.util.concurrent pacakge such as Executor, ThreadPoolExecutor and FutureTask.
Apr 12 01:16:52 <benlieb> The question is which one, or if there is a community-supported lib that makes is easy.
Apr 12 01:17:11 <JesusFreke> your question had nothing to do with threading :)
Apr 12 01:17:18 <zhej> seekBar.getProgress() returns a percentage right?
Apr 12 01:17:41 <JesusFreke> You asked what class you should use. That is a very vague question, so I gave a very vague answer :)
Apr 12 01:18:33 <JesusFreke> but yeah, AsyncTask would be one possibility
Apr 12 01:20:23 <benlieb> Does anyone have any preferred library for saving large external files to SD?
Apr 12 01:21:20 <JesusFreke> Much better question :)
Apr 12 01:22:27 <JesusFreke> It's still a bit special purpose though. It's doubtful there's a library specifically for that. Just use a AsyncTask. Or a thread, or any other common way to do things asynchronously
Apr 12 01:24:18 <alexfu> benlieb: what's wrong with using an outputstream?
Apr 12 01:26:55 <benlieb> alexfu: Because I'd like to do this new ExternalFile(url, new_name) and be done
Apr 12 01:27:37 <benlieb> I can of course write all that myself. But it's so common I imagine someone else has already done it.
Apr 12 01:29:20 <zhej> seekBar.getProgress() returns a percentage right?
Apr 12 01:32:57 <alexfu> benlieb: I don't think such a thing exists.
Apr 12 01:33:38 <benlieb> alexfu: cool I'm coming from years of work with RoR, and there's a gem for everything. Not used to moving so slow ;)
Apr 12 01:43:48 <HorizonXP> did threading behaviour change from Android 4.1 to 4.2?
Apr 12 01:44:12 <alexfu> HorizonXP: nope
Apr 12 01:44:28 <alexfu> HorizonXP: wait.. are you talking about AsyncTask?
Apr 12 01:44:57 <HorizonXP> nope
Apr 12 01:45:03 <alexfu> nvm
Apr 12 01:45:08 <HorizonXP> I'm at the native/JNI layer
Apr 12 01:45:15 <HorizonXP> code that works on 4.2 is not working on 4.1
Apr 12 01:45:22 <HorizonXP> and it seems to be related to threading
Apr 12 01:45:43 <HorizonXP> since it's crashing at somewhat random intervals, on lines to do with pointer creation and deletion
Apr 12 01:46:00 <HorizonXP> leading me to believe that I'm in some kind of race condition, with my code trying to access memory that doesn't belong to it
Apr 12 01:48:36 <dragorn> HorizonXP: I'd investigate any class creation you do in native code
Apr 12 01:48:42 <dragorn> HorizonXP: i've seen creeping crud from that
Apr 12 01:49:08 <dragorn> HorizonXP: I think in my case it was making child classes without passing a parent to the init function, which works more than you'd hope and explodes some time later
Apr 12 01:50:29 <HorizonXP> dragorn: well the only thread creation that should be occuring is on the JNI side
Apr 12 01:50:47 <HorizonXP> my code doesn't actually create any threads
Apr 12 01:53:25 <HorizonXP> /system/lib/libcutils.so (android_atomic_inc+8) <-- that's the last point in the backtrace
Apr 12 01:54:19 <HorizonXP> /system/lib/libutils.so (android::RefBase::incStrong(void const*) const+6) <-- the point in the backtrace before that
Apr 12 01:55:13 <HorizonXP> /data/data/com.xxxx/lib/libxxx.so (android::xxxx::createAudioSource()+512) <-- the point before that one, first point that's in my code.
Apr 12 01:57:09 <dragorn> HorizonXP: I'm saying look for any java object creation you do in the native side
Apr 12 01:57:27 <dragorn> HorizonXP: because you can make broken java objects that don't go bad until dalvik does a cleanup sometime later
Apr 12 01:57:31 <dragorn> HorizonXP: not necessarily threads
Apr 12 01:57:43 <dragorn> HorizonXP: just saying that's something that tripped me up and caused bizzare crashes for a long time
Apr 12 02:09:47 <Nooben> anyone here ever work with android and arduino ?
Apr 12 02:10:46 <Nooben> as in communicating with an arduino device over the android USB port ?
Apr 12 02:11:53 <JesusFreke> I'm familiar with it, but I've never actually done it
Apr 12 02:23:37 <nack> Can anyone offer some advice on OpenGL ES 1.1 on android?
Apr 12 02:23:52 <bankai_> most probably
Apr 12 02:24:03 <nack> I've brought up an app based on native-activity.
Apr 12 02:24:11 <nack> The ndk sample.
Apr 12 02:24:23 <nack> I can set the clear color, but for some reason nothing I actually try to draw appears.
Apr 12 02:24:37 <bankai_> any errors ?
Apr 12 02:24:46 <nack> There don't seem to be.
Apr 12 02:24:55 <nack> I may have failed to instrument something.
Apr 12 02:25:37 <nack> For simplicity's sake I'm drawing ortho, just throwing a giant two-tri strip "quad" at the screen.
Apr 12 02:25:47 <nack> I've turned depth test off.
Apr 12 02:26:38 <nack> The quad's depth seems to be between the near and far plane, and it should be at least partly onscreen (it's huge).
Apr 12 02:26:58 <nack> But it's just a sea of clear color.
Apr 12 02:28:13 <valheru7> hm I converted my Activity to use a Fragment and everything works fine but I thought that if I did so, when I changed from portrait to landscape, it wouldn't try to recreate the fragment everytime but use it in memory.
Apr 12 02:28:51 <valheru7> do I have to do something in the activity itself to preserve the state of the fragment or something?
Apr 12 02:33:37 <wabz> valheru7: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Fragment.html#setRetainInstance(boolean)
Apr 12 02:58:52 <valheru7> perfect thanks wabz
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