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Apr 17 03:12:01 <Gaz`> sweet just wasted an entire day trying to get os x to work on VirtualBox, all so i can see a damn iphone simulator, and still not working
Apr 17 03:12:18 * Gaz` will be happy when iOS dies :)
Apr 17 03:13:16 <bankai_> Gaz`: i didn't think that was possible with the recent versions of OS X
Apr 17 03:14:15 <Gaz`> dunno i just spent 20 hrs reading how possible it is
Apr 17 03:14:21 <Gaz`> but it always goes black when the os starts
Apr 17 03:15:14 <Gaz`> clients expect me to magically be able to see an iphone app
Apr 17 03:15:23 <Gaz`> in mid air in front of my face like google glasses
Apr 17 03:20:06 <g00s> uh oh, i think i installed xubuntu on my mbp instead of the thumb drive :|
Apr 17 04:08:24 <fatum> How do I "ghost" the on-screen software buttons in my application?
Apr 17 04:26:37 <xorgate> fatum 'ghost' = ?
Apr 17 04:32:57 <fatum> xorgate: http://i.imgur.com/Shqtiav.png
Apr 17 04:33:27 <xorgate> why care?
Apr 17 04:35:22 <kevinb> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_LOW_PROFILE
Apr 17 04:35:43 <fatum> it's a little bit distracting for games
Apr 17 04:36:17 <fatum> kevinb:  thanks!
Apr 17 04:49:22 <Bunbury> anyone here devs with sencha?
Apr 17 04:49:37 <[deXter]> Nah, we use the real deal
Apr 17 04:49:54 <Bunbury> k
Apr 17 04:49:58 <[deXter]> HTML5 apps suck, to put it bluntly
Apr 17 04:50:23 <Bunbury> how do I update galaxy s2 international gt-i9100 with jelly bean?
Apr 17 04:50:34 <[deXter]> #android-root
Apr 17 04:50:50 <Bunbury> ok
Apr 17 05:05:04 <maven> Any idea to get the resources outside the scope of Activity?
Apr 17 05:07:44 <f2prateek> you actually get it form the context, not the activity
Apr 17 06:10:16 <hesperaux> hello all
Apr 17 06:37:21 <roger_rabbit> good morning, sir
Apr 17 06:38:30 <superlinux-hp> I need someone here who understands the xml of EditText "android:inputType" very well. my question is about the date type. how can i make it go with and validate the input according to my selected date format while ?
Apr 17 07:05:19 <CrazyWoods> is it possible to have multiple image in horzontial wich can be scroll and the center of the scroll view child item are likely to be scale large then normal?
Apr 17 07:38:46 <Gaz`> anyone use bluestacks?
Apr 17 07:38:56 <Gaz`> trying to remembe rhow to kill the secret emulator that runs, cant find its process
Apr 17 07:38:59 <Gaz`> so i cant install to my phone
Apr 17 07:41:03 <alex_PP> with adb?
Apr 17 07:41:08 <alex_PP> try the -d flag
Apr 17 07:42:27 <Gaz`> ah got it
Apr 17 07:42:30 <Gaz`> hd-quit.exe
Apr 17 07:42:33 <Gaz`> menace that app
Apr 17 08:10:21 <joar`> CrazyWoods: like a carousel?
Apr 17 08:42:26 <mhd753> hello, I want to handle back button for dynamic fragments in viewpager
Apr 17 08:42:37 <mhd753> how
Apr 17 08:43:16 <mhd753> anybody here??
Apr 17 08:52:32 <ufk_> hello
Apr 17 08:52:45 <ufk_> does android sdk comes with some charts package ?
Apr 17 08:53:12 <Leeds> nope
Apr 17 08:53:16 <ufk_> i need to have a lines chart
Apr 17 08:54:54 <ufk_> i googled and nothing good came up. agraphchart, android chart and graphview.. nahh
Apr 17 08:55:28 <appel1> ufk_: what was wrong with them?
Apr 17 08:56:45 <ufk_> graphview... for some reason only accepts floats and some of the data that i provide it shows as a flat line instead of showing the actual data. it drove me nutz
Apr 17 08:57:28 <ufk_> agraphcart.. when i try to add it to a relative layout or even just try to add relativelayout style to it my application segfault
Apr 17 08:57:46 <Leeds> *segfault*?
Apr 17 08:57:50 <ufk_> ahahah
Apr 17 08:57:59 <ufk_> sorry
Apr 17 08:58:20 <ufk_> throws exception. sorry
Apr 17 08:58:58 <hesperaux> just out of curiosity, why doesn't the android SDK come with a chart view? hmm
Apr 17 08:59:11 <Leeds> good... if it's a segfault, and you're not using native code, it most likely means a dalvik bug
Apr 17 08:59:44 <ufk_> ahmmm... dalvik bug?
Apr 17 08:59:54 <appel1> ufk_: do you mean achartengine when you write agraphchart?
Apr 17 09:00:26 <ufk_> yeap achartengine
Apr 17 09:01:01 <ufk_> the thing is.. i loved graphview the most
Apr 17 09:01:23 <hesperaux> i was going to use graphview because i need dynamic graphs
Apr 17 09:01:32 <ufk_> but it drove me nutz the most!
Apr 17 09:02:39 <ufk_> some data it shows.. some it doesn't!
Apr 17 09:02:47 <ufk_> it shows as flat bar!
Apr 17 09:02:54 <ufk_> i donno whY! :( i really don't!
Apr 17 09:03:35 <ufk_> Leeds, can you explain dalvik bug for me please ?
Apr 17 09:03:45 <Leeds> ufk_: no
Apr 17 09:04:07 <appel1> ufk_: when you say it only accepts floats, what do you mean? as far as I can tell it uses doubles.
Apr 17 09:04:55 <ufk_> ok doubles.. i mean numbers that are not ints :)
Apr 17 09:06:07 <appel1> ufk_: it is a lot easier if you actually type what you mean :p
Apr 17 09:06:22 <ufk_> yeah sorry for that
Apr 17 09:07:02 <ufk_> i just forgot the word in english for numbers that have points..
Apr 17 09:07:07 <ufk_> like something dot something..
Apr 17 09:09:02 <appel1> ufk_: it's just that there are multiple types in java that provide that ;)
Apr 17 09:09:12 <ufk_> yeap
Apr 17 09:12:35 <Kennethos> Hi all, how can I achieve something like this in my layout: http://i.imgur.com/4y3z2N7.png
Apr 17 09:23:48 <Warting> Isn't that just bad practice to add buttons just above "hardware" buttons?
Apr 17 09:26:57 <kakazza> The buttom bar would essentially do the same.
Apr 17 09:27:05 <kakazza> bottom*
Apr 17 09:28:00 <tinyhippo> Hi - how would you guys handle supporting an old device... There is a gingerbread device *without* the play store, and an app that requires the play services library for maps functionality [as the older versions are deprecated]
Apr 17 09:36:55 <evertvdbruel> has anyone made an imagebutton with drawables that are on the external storage?
Apr 17 09:37:14 <evertvdbruel> since the states need to be declared in xml
Apr 17 10:11:07 <lite_> I am trying to implement a thread which attempts to connect to a BluetoothDevice. When calling mmSocket.connect() however i get a ConnectionException. What could be the issue? I have a theory that my UUID is bullocks but I have no idea which UUID to provide it with. Thoughts ? http://pastebin.com/z3s1BtLP
Apr 17 10:22:18 <Gaz`> anyone had a scrollview flash black when u use a textedit on it?
Apr 17 10:23:50 <Gaz`> hey Leeds, sorted ur visa shit then?
Apr 17 10:33:27 <thmz> anybody familiar with rapns in rails for GCM or is there a better alternative?
Apr 17 10:39:13 <StingRay_> Gaz`: only happens when you scroll ?
Apr 17 10:39:25 <StingRay_> well either way is there not a cache hint color for scrolls ?
Apr 17 10:39:25 <Gaz`> not even when i scroll
Apr 17 10:39:33 <Gaz`> ah yes im scrollign something on top iof it
Apr 17 10:39:41 <Gaz`> yeh i tried #00000000
Apr 17 10:39:46 <Gaz`> doesnt seem to work
Apr 17 10:39:59 <StingRay_> well transparency prob wont
Apr 17 10:40:09 <StingRay_> isn't the default mode for android 565 ?
Apr 17 10:40:12 <Gaz`> had a weird experience earlier, client was showing me app on his phone and it sjust doing some mad shit, stuff thats impossible showing wrong title on diff screens etc..
Apr 17 10:40:13 <StingRay_> for the app I mean
Apr 17 10:40:22 <Gaz`> on listviews that usually works
Apr 17 10:40:53 <Gaz`> ill try ffffff
Apr 17 10:41:00 <StingRay_> you could probably rule out a draw/rendering issue by changing the color mode
Apr 17 10:42:18 <lite_> I am trying to implement a thread which attempts to connect to a BluetoothDevice. When calling mmSocket.connect() however i get a ConnectionException. What could be the issue? I have a theory that my UUID is bullocks but I have no idea which UUID to provide it with. Thoughts ? http://pastebin.com/z3s1BtLP
Apr 17 10:42:44 <StingRay_> lite_: doesnt it tell you in the exception ?
Apr 17 10:43:14 <StingRay_> and maybe the UUID is the mac address of the BT adapter ?
Apr 17 10:48:18 <lite_> getBluetoothService called with no BluetoothManagerCallback
Apr 17 10:48:30 <lite_> 04-17 12:48:54.225: W/System.err(18988): java.io.IOException: read failed, socket might closed or timeout, read ret: -1
Apr 17 10:49:12 <Leeds> Gaz`: yeah, visa all sorted for the next couple of years... was hoping to get 3 years, which would get me to permanent residence, but they gave me 2, so need to do it again in 2015
Apr 17 10:50:03 <Gaz`> nice
Apr 17 10:50:11 <Gaz`> yeh everyone i knowis gettingtheir permenant ones here
Apr 17 10:50:15 <Gaz`> lowered from 7 yrs to 5
Apr 17 10:50:30 <Gaz`> glad u sorted it tho
Apr 17 10:52:09 <Leeds> still 7 here... I've *been* here almost 8, but not always fully resident
Apr 17 10:55:06 <Gaz`> yeh same here
Apr 17 10:55:16 <Gaz`> 8 yrs in sept
Apr 17 10:55:57 <Gaz`> jeez i need a holiday, been coding android daily for like a yr
Apr 17 10:55:58 <Gaz`> lol
Apr 17 10:56:48 <Gaz`> this black scrollview thing is well annoying
Apr 17 10:57:08 <Gaz`> weird thing is its only when i programatically detect the "done" key on the keyboad
Apr 17 10:59:48 <Leeds> holiday... going to Bali in a few weeks... then got a (partly work) trip to UK and probably Spain at the end of May
Apr 17 10:59:56 <Gaz`> nice
Apr 17 11:00:00 <Gaz`> went to angeles recently
Apr 17 11:00:04 <Gaz`> in philipines, lol...
Apr 17 11:00:17 <Leeds> yeah, I've heard about that...
Apr 17 11:00:33 <Gaz`> yeh, not as bad as its made out, nicer than manila
Apr 17 11:00:50 <Gaz`> mostly just old german sex tourists .....
Apr 17 11:01:06 <Leeds> never been to phils at all... went to Malaysia, Kota Kinabula a few weeks ago
Apr 17 11:01:14 <Gaz`> nice, yeh been there 7 times
Apr 17 11:01:31 <Gaz`> Sabbah :)
Apr 17 11:01:34 <Leeds> right
Apr 17 11:01:58 <Gaz`> only reason i go to these places i the price, presumably u got cheap deal on airasia
Apr 17 11:02:09 <Leeds> thought it was a bit so-so - but got badly sunburned snorkeling, so that's not a bad thing - yeah, airasia package for KK
Apr 17 11:02:23 <Gaz`> 1000nt return to Angeles
Apr 17 11:02:24 <Gaz`> lol
Apr 17 11:02:45 <Leeds> not going AA to to Bali, got a cheap flight from a local HK airline
Apr 17 11:03:15 <Gaz`> nice, only thing about AA is no drinking on the plane, we had to bring duty free in on the way back heh
Apr 17 11:04:36 <Leeds> eh, I'm a nice civilised traveler - no more than a couple of beers at a time for me - I'm not a drunken layabout like you
Apr 17 11:05:01 <Gaz`> much more fun being a drunken layabout
Apr 17 11:05:44 <Leeds> been there, done that
Apr 17 11:06:07 <Gaz`> :)
Apr 17 11:06:20 <Gaz`> anyway im doing 65 hrs a week right now :-{{
Apr 17 11:08:53 <Leeds> 65 hrs a week of drinking is pretty heavy, man...
Apr 17 11:09:07 <Gaz`> HEHE
Apr 17 11:09:19 <Gaz`> trying to earn so i can take time off to complete my game ;)
Apr 17 11:10:02 <lite_> wth. javax.microedition.io.StreamConnection;
Apr 17 11:10:02 <lite_>  cannot be resolved
Apr 17 11:10:16 <Gaz`> thats j2me
Apr 17 11:10:19 <Gaz`> not android
Apr 17 11:10:20 <Gaz`> ?
Apr 17 11:11:31 <Leeds> Gaz`: took you long enough to learn the difference :P
Apr 17 11:12:25 <Gaz`> youre right and now i couldnt go back to j2me
Apr 17 11:12:52 <Gaz`> :-x android is definitely more pwoerful and less fragmented and withotu all the lame security issues, not to mewntion the lack of decent gui and the need to use low level canvas painting for everything
Apr 17 11:12:52 <Leeds> is there a j2me to go back to?
Apr 17 11:13:11 <Gaz`> actually some of the big nfc players are using it, just got offered some really well paid j2me jobs
Apr 17 11:13:25 <Gaz`> but i dont want to i want to improve at android not an old legacy skill
Apr 17 11:13:39 <Gaz`> i put my 10 yrs in with j2me :)
Apr 17 11:15:10 <Gaz`> i hear if you code android for 30 yrs you begin to understand how to style ABS
Apr 17 11:15:26 <Quacked> Anyone bother checking if there's something wrong with this asynctask doing a httppost request? http://pastebin.com/6e08GMJa
Apr 17 11:15:46 <Quacked> It's working, but I'm not sure it's set up in a "good way" :P
Apr 17 11:16:08 <Gaz`> looks ok on first glance
Apr 17 11:20:44 <Gaz`> is there any way to get an exact unique build number
Apr 17 11:20:56 <Gaz`> as opposed to me manually knocking up a text string i want a build num
Apr 17 11:42:38 <Gaz`> anyone used fb sdk to login into an app?
Apr 17 11:42:41 <Gaz`> used to be buggy
Apr 17 11:43:00 <Quacked> I have a list thats being populated with the matches from a search, but to a maximum of 24 hits. Any suggestions for how I should let the user know 24 is max and that there could be more? This is the GUI: http://bildr.no/image/1438878.jpeg
Apr 17 11:45:43 <yawnie> good afternoon
Apr 17 11:51:15 <yawnie> so i'm working on a location tracking app, which localizes device position and sends its position to server. Before doing that however, it geocodes it's lat and lng using Geocoder into human readable form. The problem is it suddenly stops working, throwing NullPointerException at declaring instance of new Geocoder(). My stack trace: http://pastebin.com/k8DcgqZJ
Apr 17 11:51:48 <yawnie> is anyone here familiar with this?
Apr 17 11:52:37 <yawnie> documentation says that the constructor throws NullPointer when Locale is null
Apr 17 11:53:24 <yawnie> in my case it uses default locale
Apr 17 11:54:48 <hexacode> good evening/morning everyone. I was just wondering why one of my TextView.setText() calls inside oncreateOptionsMenu() Activity Handler was called when the activity started? shudnt it be called when i try to open the menu by hitting menu button on my emulated device?
Apr 17 12:00:31 <lite_> I am trying to implement a thread which attempts to connect to a BluetoothDevice. When calling mmSocket.connect() however i get a ConnectionException. What could be the issue? I have a theory that my UUID is bullocks but I have no idea which UUID to provide it with. Thoughts ? http://pastebin.com/z3s1BtLP - 04-17 12:48:54.225: W/System.err(18988): java.io.IOException: read failed, socket might closed or timeout, read ret: -1 being thrown
Apr 17 12:02:51 <yawnie> lite_: do you have proper user permissions in Manifest?
Apr 17 12:03:31 <lite_> yawnie, BLUETOOTH and BLUETOOTH_ADMIN
Apr 17 12:03:35 <lite_> that should do it iirc
Apr 17 12:04:12 <lite_> The problem is probably here : device.createRfcommSocketToServiceRecord(UUID.randomUUID());
Apr 17 12:04:24 <lite_> as I have no clue which UUID I am supposed to provide
Apr 17 12:04:53 <Pitel_IPEX> I want to let user choose contast's phone number from his/her Contacts (using the Contacts app). how can I do that?
Apr 17 12:06:49 <Pitel_IPEX> this seems to be what I want http://developer.android.com/training/basics/intents/result.html
Apr 17 12:09:34 <yawnie> lite_: try this: private static final UUID MY_UUID = UUID.fromString("00001101-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB");
Apr 17 12:10:04 <yawnie> then pass it to that crazy named method
Apr 17 12:11:18 <yawnie> is that argument even obligatory?
Apr 17 12:11:24 <yawnie> it should use this UUID by default
Apr 17 12:22:30 <tuut> Hello
Apr 17 12:26:35 <tuut> I have a custom control with an array of strings (less 100 strings). At a given time, only 7 of these strings is visible. They appear and dissappear animating their position. Two approaches: a) Use 7 TextView controls b) use a TextView for each string. Option B is easier. Would option B use a lot of extra memory and CPU overhead (while only 7 of the 100 TextViews is actually visible) ?
Apr 17 12:30:29 <lite_> So my Service changes from Connecring to Listening. Does this mean that things are going according to plan ?
Apr 17 12:30:34 <lite_> Connecting*
Apr 17 12:36:26 <yawnie> it depends on whether you want it to listen or connect ^^
Apr 17 12:38:10 <do0ob> Hi
Apr 17 12:38:21 <do0ob> what is a background service that an be stopped easily?
Apr 17 12:38:55 <do0ob> At the moment i have  GUI -> intentservice -> runnable
Apr 17 12:39:21 <Zharf> define stopped easily
Apr 17 12:40:31 <do0ob> The closest thing to it is a music player, and i need to stop it in the middle of execution, how do i do it?
Apr 17 12:42:39 <do0ob> I'm thinking of using the gui to fire intents into an intentservice which will control a thread, that seems to be what i need
Apr 17 12:43:41 <Zharf> do0ob, you could have the service put out a notification that stops it when clicked
Apr 17 12:46:45 <do0ob> The notification should just bring the user back to the GUI
Apr 17 12:51:23 <Zharf> do0ob, if you have a GUI, sure
Apr 17 12:56:15 <yawnie> guys, i'm working on a location tracking app, which every couple of minutes localizes device position, geocodes it's coordinates using Geocoder into human readable form and sends its position to server. . The problem is it suddenly stops working, throwing NullPointerException at the Geocoder instace declaration. My stack trace: http://pastebin.com/k8DcgqZJ . Anyone experienced anything lke this?
Apr 17 12:57:22 <do0ob> catch it and restart the service?
Apr 17 12:57:24 <appel1> yawnie: something is null..
Apr 17 12:58:30 <yawnie> uh... i hope you dont mean: while (geocoder == null) geocoder = new Geocoder(context) ?
Apr 17 12:59:16 <appel1> yawnie: no, I mean that you need to find out what is null and then figure out why so you can fix the problem or handle that case if it is supposed to be null
Apr 17 12:59:23 <yawnie> the documentation says that the constructor throws NullPointer when Locale is null, which in my case is default
Apr 17 12:59:50 <tuut> Animating the position of several strings in a View or ViewGroup. What is faster, moving TextViews of redrawing strings (Canvas.DrawString)?
Apr 17 13:02:21 <appel1> yawnie: but as you can see from your stack trace the exception is thrown in GeocoderParams<init>
Apr 17 13:02:36 <appel1> yawnie: and it throws if context is null
Apr 17 13:02:37 <yawnie> appel1: which means?
Apr 17 13:03:46 <appel1> yawnie: you have to use a reference to a context instead of null
Apr 17 13:04:34 <yawnie> how can getApplicationContext() suddenly become null in the middle of a loop?
Apr 17 13:09:41 <Gaz`> hmm i have a radio group that works fine, but one of them wont respond to click!?
Apr 17 13:09:42 <Gaz`> s
Apr 17 13:13:24 <Gaz`> impossible
Apr 17 13:13:25 <Gaz`> wtf
Apr 17 13:20:11 <Gaz`> first and last dont work, wtttf..
Apr 17 13:21:58 <lov> yawnie: I don't even know.
Apr 17 13:22:11 <lov> yawnie: I WOULD suggest that you send the raw lat/lon to your server, and let your server handle the geocoding.
Apr 17 13:23:55 <yawnie> lov: thanks, but been there, done that. Google blocks me after 2500 geocodings from the server. That's the reason i geocode on the device
Apr 17 13:24:01 <Gaz`> Anyone got any idea how this could happen?
Apr 17 13:26:01 <Gaz`> christ its happened again, the co-coder actually wrote a silent method to disable them.... DOH.
Apr 17 13:26:10 <Gaz`> how do ppl get around that madness, im not used to working with ppl
Apr 17 13:28:05 <erdos> hello
Apr 17 13:29:31 <lov> yawnie: erm, have you considered WHY you're getting blocked?
Apr 17 13:29:34 <erdos> if i've created a custom SurfaceView, can i get a reference to it similarly to how i would with findViewById?
Apr 17 13:29:40 <lov> also, have you considered using a geocoding service that isn't google?
Apr 17 13:29:58 <Zharf> Gaz`, heh
Apr 17 13:29:59 <lov> Gaz`: generally by having people skills and/or doing code reviews
Apr 17 13:30:31 <yawnie> lov: youre getting blocked by default after reaching 2500 geocodes
Apr 17 13:30:50 <Gaz`> when you call setEnabled(false) on something it should grey out right ?
Apr 17 13:31:01 <lov> yawnie: yes, and I'm asking you to think on why the decision was made to block randos at 2500 geocodes.
Apr 17 13:31:58 <lov> see also things like http://geoservices.tamu.edu/Services/Geocode/
Apr 17 13:32:50 <Quacked> I have a list thats being populated with the matches from a search, but to a maximum of 24 hits. Any suggestions for how I should let the user know 24 is max and that there could be more? This is the GUI: http://bildr.no/image/1438878.jpeg
Apr 17 13:33:39 <lov> Quacked: have a list of 25 elements, with element 25 being "More hits available"
Apr 17 13:39:19 <Quacked> Thats a good tip, thanks
Apr 17 13:40:29 <Quacked> Sorry for OT but everyone likes making fun of Internet Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/dmVCBZe.jpg
Apr 17 13:47:36 <maslen2> Could someone assist me with figuring out how to close an AIDL-based Service? I have an Activity A, that starts an AIDL-based Service, S. S calls into A, via AIDL. Since Exceptions can't be sent over AIDL, when an Exception occurs, I want to catch it and close the Service, without the application terminating. How can I do that?
Apr 17 13:49:02 <lov> when you say "close the service" what do you mean?
Apr 17 13:49:32 <lov> also, iirc, while you can't throw exceptions over AIDL it will propagate a RemoteException (without relevant info)
Apr 17 13:49:38 <maslen2> disconnect, and as close as possible to force-killing
Apr 17 13:50:02 <lov> maslen2: you'll need to have everyone unbind from the service and call stopService.
Apr 17 13:50:12 <lov> How you tell everyone to do that is up to you. You could use a broadcast intent.
Apr 17 13:50:17 <lov> or, you could use a callback.
Apr 17 13:50:21 <funkbox> so it looks like the android linter thingie won't warn you if you're using an API not available in your min api level. is there a way to enable this?
Apr 17 13:50:32 <maslen2> lov: I can't let it propagate here, since it's making the AIDL call into the top-level Activity. If it raises an uncaught exception, the application will crash
Apr 17 13:50:40 <lov> funkbox: yes it will, this is what @TargetApi is for
Apr 17 13:50:53 <funkbox> lov: so i just set @TargetApi to whatever the min api level is ?
Apr 17 13:51:01 <lov> funkbox: no
Apr 17 13:51:07 <lov> funkbox: read the documentation for TargetApi
Apr 17 13:51:16 <coco89> Hey guys what's the easiest way to parse JSON data and make a table out of them? I'd like a new row to be created when there's new JSON data available too?
Apr 17 13:51:21 <funkbox> ok, will checker out, thanks
Apr 17 13:51:49 <lov> the short version is that if you have a class that uses APIs at a higher level than your minSdk, and you know that your code paths will never let that code be called by an API that is too low, you can use @TargetApi to tell the linter "This is an API higher than the minimum, but that's ok"
Apr 17 13:52:03 <maslen2> lov: The issue I've been having is that calling unbindService is raising its own exception: "Java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Service not registered: TLD.PACKAGE_NAME.CustomServiceConnection@41210578"
Apr 17 13:52:06 <lov> otherwise, the linter should throw an error.
Apr 17 13:52:35 <lov> maslen2: i don't know what to tell you. Keep track of whether your service is bound or what.
Apr 17 13:52:39 <funkbox> lov: the thing is that i don't see an error for it.
Apr 17 13:53:26 <lov> funkbox: are you actually running the linter?
Apr 17 13:53:40 <maslen2> lov: I was under the impression that the only way I'm able to make the calls to and from the Service in the first place is because it was bound. Is my understanding incorrect?
Apr 17 13:53:48 <lov> window -> preferences -> android -> Lint Error Checking
Apr 17 13:53:49 <funkbox> lov: running it through intellj, that could be the cause
Apr 17 13:53:56 <lov> aha.
Apr 17 13:54:06 <lov> I have no idea whether IntelliJ will automatically use the linter.
Apr 17 13:54:15 <lov> I BELIEVE you can always run it at the command line.
Apr 17 13:54:15 <funkbox> it does run "android lint"
Apr 17 13:54:20 <funkbox> yeah i'll try the cmd line
Apr 17 13:54:31 <FrancescoV> hi all, i'm pretty new with android. Currently learing it on school. Is here someone who can help me starting up with making a custom component?
Apr 17 13:54:44 <lov> you can always make a simple test case project that has a minSdk level set to 3, and then call an API set by level 11 or something, and see what happens.
Apr 17 13:54:50 <korigan_> hello there
Apr 17 13:55:05 <lov> FrancescoV: there are probably many people, but it helps if you ask specific questions not "can anyone help?"
Apr 17 13:55:36 <maslen2> lov: Time for some more poking then I guess :( Thanks for trying
Apr 17 13:55:39 <FrancescoV> i would like to make a re-usable layout for showing openingshours
Apr 17 13:55:40 <korigan_> does any body know how to use filter intent for matching android.intent.action.VIEW with android:pathPattern without using the ugly .*..*..*..*..*.eml syntax?
Apr 17 13:56:38 <MrMaffen> hey guys. I hope you can help out with an issue I have with maven and my android project. I'm currently trying to mavenise my app project so that other team members can easily create a successful build. My app project depends on ActionBarSherlock and SlidingMenu. I already successfully build these both library projects with maven.
Apr 17 13:56:50 <MrMaffen> the pom.xml inside my app project looks like this: http://paste.kde.org/726530/
Apr 17 13:57:12 <MrMaffen> but when i try to execute "mvn install" in my app project folder the following error log appears: http://paste.kde.org/726518/
Apr 17 13:57:39 <lov> FrancescoV: ok, sounds like fun.
Apr 17 13:57:48 <FrancescoV> So i need a class that uses a List<List<String>> as data, but each tutorial i check, they don't use any dynamic data. I have no idea how to make it without using the custom class in xml layout
Apr 17 13:58:09 <MrMaffen> oh i'm sry that was the wrong error log paste -.- grr
Apr 17 13:58:10 <lov> FrancescoV: Create your own Adapter implementation
Apr 17 13:58:26 <lov> FrancescoV: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/Adapter.html
Apr 17 13:59:05 <lov> FrancescoV: since you're making a list of lists, you MIGHT want to use an http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ExpandableListView.html
Apr 17 13:59:10 <FrancescoV> i know how to make a custom baseadapter for a listview, but is it easy to make it with a normal linearlayout?
Apr 17 13:59:21 <lov> in which case you should subclass ExpandableListAdapter
Apr 17 13:59:48 <lov> FrancescoV: it depends entirely on what you're trying to do. "Easy" is subjective.
Apr 17 13:59:58 <lov> Are you just going to add a few textviews? Sure, it's easy.
Apr 17 14:00:37 <FrancescoV> http://www.canon.co.nz/~/media/MyTemplates/previews/design5/openinghours2.ashx
Apr 17 14:01:00 <FrancescoV> the reason why i would like to make it custom, is that i can re-use it very easy in other applications in the future
Apr 17 14:01:45 <MrMaffen> so here's the pom.xml i'm using in my main app project: http://paste.kde.org/726536/
Apr 17 14:01:53 <coco89> Hey guys what's the easiest way to parse JSON data and make a table out of them? I'd like a new row to be created when there's new JSON data available too?
Apr 17 14:01:57 <MrMaffen> Did i declare the dependencies the right way ?
Apr 17 14:02:46 <MrMaffen> The error log does seem to indicate that the ActionBarSherlock apklib isn't found. I've compiled SlidingMenu with the same dependency successfully though
Apr 17 14:03:02 <MrMaffen> So I don't think that the dependency can't be resolved :<
Apr 17 14:04:07 <elegos> is the nexus 7 an xxhdpi screen? Because I've got a very big image which should fit the screen, but putting it in the drawable-xxhdpi folder won't load...
Apr 17 14:04:21 <elegos> is there a way to check which drawable size is being loaded?
Apr 17 14:04:34 <MrMaffen> elegos: i think it's xhdpi
Apr 17 14:04:47 <elegos> MrMaffen: like Galaxy Nexus?
Apr 17 14:04:47 <MrMaffen> elegos: xxhdpi is for the 1080p and up displays afaik
Apr 17 14:04:51 <MrMaffen> yep
Apr 17 14:05:04 <elegos> but they have different screen resolutions...
Apr 17 14:05:22 <MrMaffen> elegos: the nexus 7 does have a 720p display, right Oo ?
Apr 17 14:05:29 <FrancescoV> lov, any idea whats the best way to create this? (performace & re-usable)
Apr 17 14:05:49 <kifst> How do i create a javascript event that I can listen for in a web view, that i can initiate from java code? (using phonegap with some native)
Apr 17 14:05:49 <coco89> anyone?
Apr 17 14:05:54 <elegos> MrMaffen: http://pbrd.co/XGmaXS
Apr 17 14:06:09 <MrMaffen> coco89: you should write your own simple parser. use JSONObject s
Apr 17 14:06:47 <elegos> coco89: I like to use Gson, I find it easier than the native JSON implementation
Apr 17 14:07:04 <FrancescoV> lov: any idea whats the best way to create this? (performace & re-usable)
Apr 17 14:07:59 <lov> FrancescoV: aha
Apr 17 14:08:10 <lov> FrancescoV: Ahm, good question.
Apr 17 14:08:23 <MrMaffen> kifst: just google the javascript interface stuff. there is a very good tutorial on that subject on the internet
Apr 17 14:08:25 <lov> The big question is how much do you care about using the default device styling/themeing?
Apr 17 14:08:30 <coco89> MrMaffen, I have the code that parses JSON  and an inner class called read which handles it and this new Read().execute("registered") reads the value in the registered key.  Can i use this to get multiple values? How would I create a table out of these that updates for new JSON data?
Apr 17 14:08:34 <MrMaffen> kifst: javascript interface android should do the trick
Apr 17 14:08:44 <lov> I'd honestly recommend that you just make your own Adapter implementation to handle this.
Apr 17 14:08:55 <lov> it'll take you like 50 LoC and it will be reasonably future-proof
Apr 17 14:09:00 <maslen2> Is there a way to tell which services are bound?
Apr 17 14:09:05 <MrMaffen> elegos: you're mistaking resolution with density i guess
Apr 17 14:09:27 <MrMaffen> elegos: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Apr 17 14:09:32 <lov> Have your own adapter, and have your own layout xml file for the content.
Apr 17 14:09:33 <FrancescoV> lovl I think it's not good if I just create a class that extends Linearlayout and creating all TextViews inside it and make an instance off that class and add it to the layout
Apr 17 14:11:16 <FrancescoV> oké, sounds good, but on which view would you set the adapter? listview,?
Apr 17 14:11:49 <kifst> MrMaffen: would this allow creating an event in javascript ie. something for document.addEventListener(...) ?  --As i've visited a few of those links and those seemed to be about allowing calling a java function from the javascript ??
Apr 17 14:12:03 <MrMaffen> elegos: of course. you can put and get multiple values from a JSONObject
Apr 17 14:12:54 <MrMaffen> kifst: yep that's exactly what it enables you to do. you can expose java methods through this javascript interface, which you can then call from your javascript
Apr 17 14:13:15 <coco89> :(
Apr 17 14:13:37 <MrMaffen> coco89: oh im sry. the above answer was meant for you
Apr 17 14:13:45 <MrMaffen> coco89:  of course. you can put and get multiple values from a JSONObject
Apr 17 14:14:03 <kifst> MrMaffen: what i am looking for is slightly different; being able to run javascript code initiated from within the java code (ie, the other direction)
Apr 17 14:14:35 <coco89> MrMaffen, ah okay, thanks :)
Apr 17 14:15:50 <MrMaffen> kifst: just create a WebView, call loadDataWithBaseURL(...) to push your scripts in there, and then you can call your javascript functions with a simple call to loadUrl(...)
Apr 17 14:15:59 <MrMaffen> kifst: ofc it works both ways
Apr 17 14:16:03 <lov> FrancescoV: right, a ListView.
Apr 17 14:16:28 <FrancescoV> lov: tnx :)
Apr 17 14:16:36 <MrMaffen> coco89: sure :)
Apr 17 14:17:19 <kifst> MrMaffen: thanks.. i knew it would work both ways, just wasn't sure how. Will look into loadDataWithBaseURL.
Apr 17 14:17:34 <korigan_> does any body know how to use filter intent for matching android.intent.action.VIEW with android:pathPattern without using the ugly .*..*..*..*..*.eml syntax?
Apr 17 14:17:45 <MrMaffen> kifst: you basically load a html file in there with you javascript scripts in <script> tags and so on
Apr 17 14:18:59 <lov> FrancescoV: no problem
Apr 17 14:19:23 <lov> korigan_: no, sorry. I don't know why you have .*..*..* etc .eml, why can't you just use *.eml?
Apr 17 14:19:37 <kifst> MrMaffen: wouldn't that navigate away from the previously loaded page?? (sorry if i'm being slow here)
Apr 17 14:21:18 <korigan_> i'm rewriting gmail app and i want to be able to open this app when i store attachmlent on my sd
Apr 17 14:22:17 <MrMaffen> kifst: what previously loaded page do you mean Oo ?
Apr 17 14:22:31 <korigan_> and i can't use mimetype rfc922 because some app send intent as octet stream, and not email
Apr 17 14:22:54 <MrMaffen> kifst: you create a webview as a new "browser-page" if you want to call it that. and with that browser-page you can then work to call your javascript stuff
Apr 17 14:23:01 <korigan_> (rfc822*)
Apr 17 14:24:55 <elegos> can I declare drawables depending on the screen resolution, rather than pixel density?
Apr 17 14:25:18 <lov> sure.
Apr 17 14:25:33 <MrMaffen> elegos: you just push different versions to your drawable-XXXX folders
Apr 17 14:25:39 <kifst> MrMaffen: I mean i have an app that is basically a web app, but I am adding some native parts, so i need to interface (java->js) with that page. Hoping to get something that will send an event i can listen to with document.addListener from within the webview. If it replaced the page i'm viewing then there would be nothing to communicate with
Apr 17 14:26:33 <MrMaffen> kifst: so you already have a webview with some javascript parts loaded ?
Apr 17 14:26:36 <FrancescoV> lov: may i ask you one more thing?
Apr 17 14:26:46 <kifst> MrMaffen: yes!
Apr 17 14:27:43 <MrMaffen> kifst: then you simply need to call myWebView.loadUrl("javascript: doStuff()", false));
Apr 17 14:28:53 <elegos> MrMaffen: what should be the width, more or less, of an image which is as large as the screen of an XHDPI display?
Apr 17 14:28:55 <MrMaffen> kifst: without the boolean actually
Apr 17 14:29:17 <lov> FrancescoV: you just have
Apr 17 14:29:49 <MrMaffen> elegos: http://developer.android.com/images/screens_support/screens-densities.png
Apr 17 14:30:05 <MrMaffen> elegos: you really should read the link i've posted previously
Apr 17 14:30:05 <elegos> MrMaffen: there is no such information in that article about that
Apr 17 14:30:21 <MrMaffen> elegos: yes there is
Apr 17 14:30:33 <MrMaffen> elegos: i've just posted you the exact png file that you need
Apr 17 14:30:42 <MrMaffen> elegos: and it's inlcuded in the article i've posted before
Apr 17 14:31:30 <zhulikas> hey guise
Apr 17 14:31:36 <zhulikas> can I change DNS settings on non-rooted android>
Apr 17 14:31:38 <zhulikas> ?
Apr 17 14:31:39 <MrMaffen> could anybody please check my pom.xml: http://paste.kde.org/726536/
Apr 17 14:31:57 <kifst> MrMaffen: thanks.. sorry for the noobishness i'm just venturing outside of basic phonegap starting today, 0 java experience.. should 'myWebView' be substitued for something from my code? (eg to load my index.html i have 'super.loadUrl(...)
Apr 17 14:32:01 <MrMaffen> my app project depends on actionbarsherlock and slidingmenu. but it doesn't comppile
Apr 17 14:32:53 <MrMaffen> kifst: no you just need a basic webview
Apr 17 14:33:27 <MrMaffen> kifst: myWebView is of course the webview you are already working with
Apr 17 14:36:10 <FrancescoV> lov: my design would have 2 different rows for a day: example: design 1: monday = 08.00- 12.00 & 14.00 - 18.00, design 2: friday = closed. --> design 1 has one more textfield
Apr 17 14:36:14 <FrancescoV> lov: http://pastebin.com/UEn2uLUe
Apr 17 14:36:40 <FrancescoV> lov: is this a good way to do this? (basic part what i have inside my adapter
Apr 17 14:38:15 <lov> FrancescoV: That's probably a reasonable approach. However, note that you should handle recycling views with your adapter. You'll want to implement getItemViewType to have that happen properly.
Apr 17 14:38:42 <maslen2> Is there a way to simply 'kill' an AIDL-based Service, however ungracefully?
Apr 17 14:38:56 <lov> I'd also recommend that you use getItem(position) instead of mList.get(position), and implement getItem.
Apr 17 14:39:04 <kifst> MrMaffen: thanks again! think i have it working :)
Apr 17 14:39:20 <MrMaffen> kifst: awesome! :) sure np
Apr 17 14:39:34 <lov> maslen2: I'm not sure that there is, and even if there is I'd caution you to beware here, since down this road lies unmaintainable software and terrible hacks.
Apr 17 14:40:43 <maslen2> lov: It's for erroneous conditions, as part of a cleanup... since unbindService has been raising an Exception that the service is not bound (even though it appears to be!).
Apr 17 14:40:51 <FrancescoV> lov: is it neccesary for recycling if total rows is max 7?
Apr 17 14:41:25 <lov> FrancescoV: eh, probably not, but it's generally best to be correct in your implementation. It's up to you.
Apr 17 14:41:34 <lov> it's also like 4 extra lines.
Apr 17 14:43:00 <maslen2> lov: I'm still hoping ot make sense of this insanity :(
Apr 17 14:43:59 <FrancescoV> lov: i think i'm going not to do that, all my other adapter have indead a viewholder for recycling but now i have 2 different layouts, doesn't that mean that i need 2 viewholders?
Apr 17 14:46:11 <lov> you would probably need 2 viewholders. However, by setting getItemViewType you'll be ensured that you'll only be given views that are of the layout you expect, so you don't need to do instanceof checks or anything
Apr 17 14:46:25 <lov> You also don't actually need viewholders to do recycling, it's just a way to make it fast.
Apr 17 14:52:07 <kifst> is there any better way in java to insert a string-variable into a text string than `"textstring" + var + "rest of text string"` ?
Apr 17 14:52:24 <brx_> StringBuilder class
Apr 17 14:52:30 <brx_> builder.append()
Apr 17 14:53:50 <kifst> hmm i think i'll stick with the extra quote marks and + then lol
Apr 17 14:53:57 <brx_> My app will show a 20mb pdf using actionview intent, should I package the pdf as an asset or download on demand?
Apr 17 14:54:12 <hannesstruss> Hello!
Apr 17 14:54:13 <hannesstruss> How can I do a mvn clean install android:deploy with one keystroke/shortcut in IntelliJ IDEA?
Apr 17 14:54:15 <brx_> kifst, why ?:)
Apr 17 14:54:43 <appel1> brx_: will all your users open that pdf?
Apr 17 14:54:48 <brx_> appel1, yes
Apr 17 14:55:28 <brx_> i guess i should package it
Apr 17 14:55:55 <appel1> brx_: if you're always going to download it anyways you might as well
Apr 17 14:56:30 <kifst> brx_: well.. because firstly i'm not sure exactly how to format that (eh, new to java today) and it looks that it would be more verbose (?)
Apr 17 14:56:46 <lov> hannesstruss: I don't know, how do you do it?
Apr 17 14:57:31 <lov> kifst: You should probably be using string formatting anyway, at least if this is a string you'll be showing the user.
Apr 17 14:57:37 <brx_> appel1, ok..1 more q, i want users to see the pdf even if they dont have a pdf reader installed. I was going to use Google Viewer as a fallback option, or could youthink or a brighter idea?
Apr 17 14:58:18 <Denommus> hi
Apr 17 14:58:20 <appel1> brx_: show a html page instead since it is more likely they have a web browser installed =)
Apr 17 14:58:30 <lov> e.g. <string name="first">This is the first string</string> <string name="second">This is the second string</string> <string name="some_line">%1$s %2$s</string> ..... myView.setText(getString(R.string.some_line, R.string.first, R.string.second));
Apr 17 14:58:35 <hannesstruss> lov, I use the terminal currently. It would be possible to use this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/12835976/379767 but as a maven-newbie I was thinking that maybe there is a way to do this without a plugin.
Apr 17 14:58:47 <lov> hannesstruss: sorry, I don't actually use maven so I don't know.
Apr 17 14:58:54 <brx_> appel1,from what i understand the pdf doesnt show in the android webview
Apr 17 14:58:59 <kifst> brx_: look at mozilla's pdf.js perhaps?
Apr 17 14:59:06 <Denommus> I'm having a problem. I have a custom ScrollView, and its child must have pinch zoom, touch event, and long press event
Apr 17 14:59:07 <appel1> brx_: it doesn't
Apr 17 14:59:27 <Denommus> but something is happening that I can't use long press
Apr 17 14:59:29 * brx_ scratches head
Apr 17 15:00:25 <brx_> thanks kifst ill check that out
Apr 17 15:00:27 <Denommus> I thought I could use dispatchGenericMotionEvent, but I have to give support to the API 9
Apr 17 15:00:30 <brx_> thanks appel1
Apr 17 15:00:50 <Denommus> and dispatchGenericMotionEvent was added in the API 12
Apr 17 15:09:28 <pfn> if I have Runnable r; and do handler.post(r); and r has run() { ... handler.postDelayed(this, 1000); } <-- does not seem to work?
Apr 17 15:09:42 <pfn> since the messagequeue only seems to queue by identity?
Apr 17 15:10:19 <pfn> hmm, shouldn't matter according to docs
Apr 17 15:10:56 <pfn> oops, wrong if check
Apr 17 15:13:36 <elegos> I'm a little bit confused - if I create some images for my android application, I put them in the drawable-[DPI] folders. The problem is that I don't want to let them keep the visual size, but to fit the parent's height|width. If I use, for instance, the attributes android:layout_width="wrap_content" android:layout_height="match_parent", if the image is too big, the ImageView will be larger in width than the actual image (centering it)
Apr 17 15:13:36 <elegos> . How can I tell Android to make the ImageView as large as the (resized) image? And what's the best practice creating multiple images to avoid having images too big/too small depending on the screen resolution, rather than the density?
Apr 17 15:16:42 <elegos> i.e. resolution-dependent resources (or screen size/density) rather than DPI-indipendent ones
Apr 17 15:16:56 <Justice> noob question here but you have a menu.xml file and a "settings" option in menu.xml however how do you detect its event since its identifier is Settings
Apr 17 15:18:21 <elegos> @+id/Settings? You can create a click event handler which has as parameter the clicked menu entry and get its id via yourView.getId()
Apr 17 15:23:24 <Denommus> android seems to be detecting a longclick as a touch. Why could this be happening?
Apr 17 15:23:38 <SimonVT> It is a touch
Apr 17 15:23:40 <SimonVT> A long one
Apr 17 15:24:28 <Denommus> so, where do I set a method for the longclick event? On the ontouch listener?
Apr 17 15:24:34 <Denommus> but how do I know when the touch is long?
Apr 17 15:24:55 <SimonVT> View#setOnLongClickListener
Apr 17 15:26:02 <Denommus> setOnLongClickListener is not working. It does not disparate an long click event, so the listener is never called
Apr 17 15:26:40 <Denommus> *it does not produces an long
Apr 17 15:26:54 <Denommus> it produces a touch event, so the onTouchListener is the one being called
Apr 17 15:27:12 <SimonVT> Then handle long clicks yourself
Apr 17 15:43:44 <elksson> Does anyone know of any good resources for adding an overlay on top of a version 2.0 map for example I an image that is partially see through with the actual map behind it?
Apr 17 15:46:26 <elksson> #android
Apr 17 15:54:57 <bluesm> Hi.
Apr 17 15:55:37 <bluesm> Could you help me?  https://gist.github.com/bluesm/5405442
Apr 17 15:56:17 <bluesm> It's when I try to compile Demo from here http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
Apr 17 16:00:09 <bluesm> ?
Apr 17 16:01:05 <StingRay_> bluesm: doesnt that msg tell you what you need ?
Apr 17 16:02:01 <bluesm> StingRay_: I do not understand.
Apr 17 16:02:45 <StingRay_> what dont you understand ?
Apr 17 16:03:04 <bluesm> Cannot find /Users/brutledge/android-sdk-macosx/tools/ant/build.xml  ?
Apr 17 16:03:07 <bluesm> Why this path ?
Apr 17 16:03:17 <bluesm> StingRay_:  What happend here?
Apr 17 16:04:22 <StingRay_> cause everyone at google uses a mac :)
Apr 17 16:04:32 <ninharp> lol
Apr 17 16:05:02 <newguy> hi can anyone help me read from a inputstream line by line withoout the read() blocking? This stream is continuous and has no end. But some times there is a little bit of data in the inputstream but read() still blocks and suggestions?
Apr 17 16:05:32 <Leeds> hah, someone hardcoded Billy Rutledge's home directory?
Apr 17 16:06:22 <bluesm> StingRay_: What should I do to compile it ?
Apr 17 16:07:24 <ninharp> why you did these as root???
Apr 17 16:07:47 <bluesm> ninharp:  Why not ?
Apr 17 16:08:09 <ninharp> ok ...
Apr 17 16:08:25 <bluesm> ninharp: This could cause problem ?
Apr 17 16:08:47 <ninharp> no, but its not fine :)
Apr 17 16:09:30 <ninharp> root is root, user is user, root didnt compile android apps ... root compiles kernels .... ;P
Apr 17 16:09:41 <bluesm> ${sdk.dir}
Apr 17 16:09:46 <bluesm> is invalid ?
Apr 17 16:10:11 <ninharp> set to correct
Apr 17 16:11:02 <ninharp> but i did not use a mac... you should ask the metro designer ...
Apr 17 16:11:05 <ninharp> ;P
Apr 17 16:11:31 <bluesm> ninharp: I don't use mac
Apr 17 16:11:42 <bluesm> ninharp: Where I can change it ?
Apr 17 16:12:52 <ninharp> export
Apr 17 16:12:57 <ninharp> or set
Apr 17 16:13:06 <newguy> hi can anyone help me read from a inputstream line by line withoout the read() blocking? This stream is continuous and has no end. But some times there is a little bit of data in the inputstream but read() still blocks and suggestions?
Apr 17 16:13:32 <ninharp> newguy, i think that is a java related question isnt it?
Apr 17 16:13:55 <newguy> no the imemintation is for android
Apr 17 16:14:38 <StingRay_> using nothing but java  ;)
Apr 17 16:15:21 <newguy> java channel tells me to come here and android-dev tells me to go there this is not working =D
Apr 17 16:16:00 <StingRay_> so your wanting to know how to create a thread to read and deliver data to ui ?
Apr 17 16:16:50 <newguy> no nothing to do with the ui at all i just want to read from a inputstream without read blocking when i know there is data in the stream
Apr 17 16:17:01 <ninharp> bluesm, what about the local.properties?
Apr 17 16:17:35 <flan3002> newguy: Which stream do you use? Are you entirely sure there ALWAYS is data in the stream?
Apr 17 16:17:49 <newguy> my testing has confirmed that i do get output when the defalt buffer is filled
Apr 17 16:18:10 <newguy> im using datainputstream and yes i know there is data
Apr 17 16:19:00 <flan3002> newguy: So you want to read as much data as possible (limited possibly) in the background?
Apr 17 16:19:21 <newguy> yes im using doinbackground
Apr 17 16:20:06 <newguy> more like i want to read without blocking each time there is a new line in the stream rather than having to fill the buffer to get output
Apr 17 16:20:48 <newguy> i dont mind that it blocks i mind that it blocks and waits when there are new lines to be read
Apr 17 16:21:19 * flan3002 checks the source...
Apr 17 16:22:42 <newguy> ther shoudl be no reason to block when there is a new line to be read but instead it will only output when roughly 4096k has filled the defalt buffer this is a problem if there are only 2 lines to read
Apr 17 16:23:22 <newguy> this is a continuous stream that has no end
Apr 17 16:25:15 <flan3002> newguy: I agree, it shouldn't block on newlines, how are you measuring it? JavaDoc:"This method blocks until input data is available, the end of the stream is detected, or an exception is thrown."
Apr 17 16:27:28 <newguy> well the only working method i have measurs it with availible() when in.availible() > 0 it reads but  this is only after i fill the buffer with data that i dont want in that buffer just so i can get the read out. I would rather not have to fill this buffer and just read the lines that are there
Apr 17 16:27:48 <jdawes> Has anyone ever had their .java files not compile properly and, in turn, receive a "cannot find symbol" error?
Apr 17 16:28:37 <flan3002> newguy: I assume you mean the newline character "\n" by "new lines to be read"?
Apr 17 16:28:49 <newguy> yes
Apr 17 16:30:54 <flan3002> newguy: Which DataInputStream method are you using to read it? As far as I can see, none of them makes a difference with the "\n" char (as one would expect)...
Apr 17 16:33:38 <coco89> Hey guys, I'm looking at this tutorial to parse JSON data into a table.  I'm confused abou the 'looking for the data' section to do with arrays. What's the array for? http://kahdev.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/android-parsing-json-with-jsonobject/
Apr 17 16:33:44 <newguy> read_count = input.read(buffer);  then i do output.write(buffer, 0, read_count);
Apr 17 16:34:28 <fallout> hey, I'm trying to load a 3rd party static library via Android.mk but it doesn't seem to find it, still getting undefined references at link time. I am using the form LOCAL_LDLIBS += $(MY_LIB_PATH)/library.a
Apr 17 16:34:32 <newguy> then to get it to string i do out += new String(buffer, 0, read_count);
Apr 17 16:35:06 <flan3002> You should not to += on a String, use StringBuilder/StringBuffer instead...
Apr 17 16:35:09 <flan3002> *do
Apr 17 16:35:32 <newguy> i have used string builder it works the same that is not my problem
Apr 17 16:36:24 <newguy> i can reright it using string builder if thats your suggestion but my problem is the read blocking when there is new lines to be read in the stream
Apr 17 16:37:03 <newguy> i want to read these lines without having to fill the defalt buffer that is 4096k
Apr 17 16:37:13 <newguy> i think im being as clear as i can
Apr 17 16:37:15 <flan3002> I'm sorry, but without any furter code/info, I can't make out the mistake. Theoretically, none of Java's streams should block on newlines. AND, just DONT concatenate strings with +=...
Apr 17 16:37:49 <newguy> i will fix that thanks for the suggestion
Apr 17 16:38:55 <newguy> but i dont think you are understanding that no matter how i implemnt this it has to fill the 4096k buffer before i can get any readout and trust me i have tried everything that the internet suggests
Apr 17 16:40:25 <coco89> Hi guys, I have a query that outputs in JSON format.  This tutorial explains how to parse these and display them in a table view kind of thing but is written to work with JSONArrays.  My output just shows objects.  How do I modify this to work with just objects? https://github.com/kahgoh/Android-Parsing-JSON-with-JSONObject/blob/master/src/kah/json/JsonSampleActivity.java
Apr 17 16:42:42 <StingRay_> coco89: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5650171/parsing-json-array-within-json-object-using-java
Apr 17 16:43:04 <do0ob> back
Apr 17 16:43:16 <do0ob> How do you convert from pixels to dp?
Apr 17 16:43:49 <StingRay_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4605527/converting-pixels-to-dp-in-android
Apr 17 16:43:51 <coco89> StingRay_, but I don't have a JSON Array, i.e I don't have the "source" and "name"
Apr 17 16:43:58 <do0ob> not on the device, i need to figure out how many pixels to use when generating this UI
Apr 17 16:43:59 * StingRay_ is starting to feel like a search engine
Apr 17 16:44:03 <kifst> how can i get eclipse to restart my app if it is already running instead of bringing it to the front (and not updating it) when i hit 'run'  ??
Apr 17 16:44:10 <do0ob> i want to create the appropriately sized images
Apr 17 16:44:26 <coco89> StingRay_, this is what my thing outputs [{"lecture_id":"1","day":"Wednesday","start_time":"03:00:00","end_time":"04:00:00","room_no":"room101","registered":"yes"}]
Apr 17 16:44:55 <coco89> StingRay_, and for a new row it just outputs in the same format so just another object I guess
Apr 17 16:45:10 <StingRay_> http://www.w3schools.com/json/default.asp
Apr 17 16:45:36 <newguy> only documentation i can find of people trying to read a contiuous stream is with sockets reading from a server. I am not reading from a server so this would not work in my case
Apr 17 16:45:42 <StingRay_> do0ob: then you just work of pixels
Apr 17 16:45:48 <coco89> StingRay_, but I don't want to have anything in front of it because it's going to be from one table anyway?
Apr 17 16:45:55 <coco89> i just wanna parse those into a table
Apr 17 16:46:17 <StingRay_> i mean read that
Apr 17 16:46:18 <anli> I am trying to add a message sound, however, I cannot write to /system/media/audio, how to do?
Apr 17 16:46:26 <StingRay_> so you know what an object and array are
Apr 17 16:46:29 <StingRay_> and how json works
Apr 17 16:46:36 <StingRay_> cause what your asking to really simple
Apr 17 16:46:39 <newguy> all other documentation assumes that there is an end to the stream and when this end is readed the inputstream can be read without blocking no matter what size it is
Apr 17 16:46:42 <coco89> StingRay_, An object is what I posted and an array is several of those?
Apr 17 16:47:13 <StingRay_> if you read that, it should make it all clear
Apr 17 16:47:17 <newguy> i need to read line by line of unknown inputstream size that is not a server implimentation
Apr 17 16:47:17 <do0ob> StingRay_: i'm using android asset studio, it uses dp
Apr 17 16:47:41 <anli> Are mp3s for message notification really the ones scanned by the media scanner?
Apr 17 16:47:55 <anli> Should be some more if that is true
Apr 17 16:48:05 <coco89> StingRay_,  I get it though, it's just 	JSONArray dataArray = data.getJSONObject("observations").getJSONArray(
Apr 17 16:48:06 <coco89> "data") <- data is an object right?
Apr 17 16:48:47 <snowpong> anybody know the overhead (memory, cpuload etc) of running a simple IntentService - and also, do I explicitly have to stop it, or will it kill itself after X min/hrs/days?
Apr 17 16:48:54 <newguy> the only application i have seen that can achive what i want is android terminal it will output line by line of the stream im trying to read without having to fill this 4096k defalt buffer
Apr 17 16:48:58 <coco89> StingRay_, in my case I can't specify the object so I would do getJSONArray(??)
Apr 17 16:49:04 <StingRay_> coco89: this is the last google search I'm gonna do for you http://www.json.org/javadoc/org/json/JSONObject.html
Apr 17 16:49:06 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 16:49:11 <coco89> StingRay_,  lol
Apr 17 16:49:13 <kifst> Anyone: how can i get eclipse to restart my app if it is already running instead of bringing it to the front (and not updating it) when i hit 'run'  ??
Apr 17 16:49:31 <coco89> StingRay_, what would i put in getJSONArray(??)
Apr 17 16:49:44 <StingRay_> omg… I give up
Apr 17 16:50:08 <coco89> me too :(
Apr 17 16:50:09 <coco89> lol
Apr 17 16:50:11 <newguy> does anyone here know how android terminal achives reading line by line from getevent without having to fill the 4096k defalt buffer?
Apr 17 16:50:14 <StingRay_> your allergy to reading is not something that can be defeated
Apr 17 16:50:23 <StingRay_> and thats shocking :)
Apr 17 16:50:38 <coco89> StingRay_, i'm going to read it but it wont answer my questions
Apr 17 16:50:39 <coco89> :P
Apr 17 16:50:43 <coco89> as in
Apr 17 16:50:52 <StingRay_> cause it's wrong
Apr 17 16:51:26 <maslen2> Is there any  API that's most commonly-used for network communication? Or are they too disjoint to generify them that much?
Apr 17 16:51:28 <do0ob> this explained it, 160dp == 1 inch http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2025282/difference-of-px-dp-dip-and-sp-in-android
Apr 17 16:52:02 <StingRay_> do0ob: the problem you have is there is no exact figures there
Apr 17 16:52:13 <StingRay_> and there is no exact relationships
Apr 17 16:52:37 <StingRay_> as in 4 x screen res, does not equal 4x dpi
Apr 17 16:53:10 <StingRay_> xxhdp is not always xhdpi x 2 etc
Apr 17 16:53:12 <StingRay_> if you follow
Apr 17 16:53:34 <newguy> noone here can explain why the defalt android buffer needs to be filled before reading output from an inputstream?
Apr 17 16:54:11 <do0ob> StingRay_: its really annoying me that my UI might look bad on other devices
Apr 17 16:54:23 <StingRay_> do0ob: now thats down to design
Apr 17 16:54:35 <StingRay_> not all the different UI sizes
Apr 17 16:54:39 <StingRay_> screen*
Apr 17 16:54:47 <do0ob> design looks great, but colors degrade differently depending on the screens
Apr 17 16:55:19 <StingRay_> design look great ?
Apr 17 16:55:25 <StingRay_> your not a designer are ya ?
Apr 17 16:56:02 <StingRay_> cause a designer/artist would never say such a thing  :)
Apr 17 16:56:18 <Yaku321> my eclipse won´t recognize java, i changed the ini and gave it a static path to java, but i don´t know why the ini won´t work
Apr 17 16:56:31 <Yaku321> -startup
Apr 17 16:56:31 <Yaku321> plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.3.0.v20120522-1813.jar
Apr 17 16:56:31 <Yaku321> --launcher.library
Apr 17 16:56:31 <Yaku321> plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_64_1.1.200.v20120522-1813
Apr 17 16:56:31 <Yaku321> -product
Apr 17 16:56:32 <Yaku321> com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.package.product
Apr 17 16:56:32 <Yaku321> --launcher.XXMaxPermSize
Apr 17 16:56:33 <Yaku321> 256M
Apr 17 16:56:33 <Yaku321> -showsplash
Apr 17 16:56:34 <Yaku321> com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.package.product
Apr 17 16:56:34 <Yaku321> --launcher.XXMaxPermSize
Apr 17 16:56:34 <Yaku321> 256m
Apr 17 16:56:34 <Yaku321> --launcher.defaultAction
Apr 17 16:56:35 <Yaku321> openFile-vmC:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\javaw.exe
Apr 17 16:57:03 <Yaku321> arg, sry forgot pastebin
Apr 17 16:57:03 <maslen2> Yaku321: Use a pastebin. Seriously.
Apr 17 16:58:24 <newguy> i need to read the inputstream in real time as each new line is processed to the inputstream
Apr 17 16:59:00 <coco89> StingRay_, oh wait so what I have is an array with one object?
Apr 17 16:59:12 <coco89> so I have to loop through several arrays containg one object?
Apr 17 16:59:16 <StingRay_> omg are you reading ?
Apr 17 16:59:20 <coco89> StingRay_, yeah!
Apr 17 16:59:23 <StingRay_> I dont belive you
Apr 17 16:59:26 <StingRay_> proove it
Apr 17 16:59:27 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 16:59:27 <coco89> StingRay_, it's explaining just that
Apr 17 16:59:53 <StingRay_> keep going
Apr 17 16:59:56 <StingRay_> it's doing you the world of good
Apr 17 17:00:03 <coco89> StingRay_, "JSON objects are written inside curly brackets" , "JSON arrays are written inside square brackets.
Apr 17 17:00:03 <coco89> "
Apr 17 17:00:16 <coco89> my output is [{"lecture_id":"1","day":"Wednesday","start_time":"03:00:00","end_time":"04:00:00","room_no":"room101","registered":"yes"}]
Apr 17 17:00:21 <coco89> so that's one array with one object..
Apr 17 17:00:51 <StingRay_> good, now keep reading till all your questions are answered
Apr 17 17:01:02 <coco89> StingRay_, I asked the above question and you said no
Apr 17 17:01:23 <newguy> i need to read the inputstream in real time as each new line is processed to the inputstream how would this be possible?
Apr 17 17:01:27 <StingRay_> if I did it was not to you question of your output
Apr 17 17:01:50 <StingRay_> but "no" as in I'm not answering something that takes 20 seconds to search,find,learn
Apr 17 17:02:11 <StingRay_> 1st google, 2nd google some more, 3rd ask here :)
Apr 17 17:02:20 <StingRay_> thats what I do
Apr 17 17:04:59 <snowpong> do0ob: if you're cutting up photoshopped design into XML layouts and wondering about pixels->dp conversion, it depends on what ppi the photoshopped design was made for. So, did the designer make it for an S2, S3 or maybe a Retina iPhone. When you know that you can convert pixels->dp in some sensible way :)
Apr 17 17:05:02 <coco89> but I don't have any names for my arrays so what do I call them
Apr 17 17:05:14 <coco89> how do I reference them rather
Apr 17 17:05:41 <StingRay_> how would you reference anything in any array ?
Apr 17 17:06:02 <coco89> by their index
Apr 17 17:07:09 <evan> coco89: some_data[0].get("lecture_id") ?
Apr 17 17:07:10 <newguy> anyone free to help me with an inputstream problem?
Apr 17 17:10:16 <newguy> i dont see why android terminal can display line by line from the inputstream as new input is recived but i cant get it working in my application
Apr 17 17:15:03 <lov> newguy: just look at the android terminal source, it's open source.
Apr 17 17:16:23 <newguy> im starting to get pissed off
Apr 17 17:16:32 <newguy> sorry for my frustration
Apr 17 17:17:37 <newguy> i should have to sift through source just to do something as easy as read line by line from a stream as it arrives i mean come on
Apr 17 17:17:46 <newguy> should not*
Apr 17 17:17:49 <lov> newguy: java is funny when it comes to terminal stuff
Apr 17 17:17:59 <lov> that said, I'm not really sure where the hangup is
Apr 17 17:18:02 <oGMo> you had me at "funny"
Apr 17 17:18:07 <lov> oGMo: zing
Apr 17 17:19:23 <oGMo> oh
Apr 17 17:19:58 <oGMo> newguy: exactly what are you doing? terminal i/o (and i/o in general) can be tricky
Apr 17 17:20:10 <snowpong> are there any good examples on how to deal with extra actions in Push notifications out there? I want to close the Notification when a user clicks the extra action buttons
Apr 17 17:20:14 <BullShark> there's an android project on google code. whats the correct way to open it in eclipse? should i svn checkout under the workspace directory?
Apr 17 17:20:31 <lov> oGMo: I'd say terminal i/o in java especially, since it generally involves using input streams rather than polling
Apr 17 17:20:32 <oGMo> e.g., "i'm using this class that buffers stuff and i'm not seeing output" .. or "i'm typing things in the terminal, but my program isn't getting it"
Apr 17 17:20:34 <lseactuary> anyone know the total number of gaming apps on the android store?
Apr 17 17:20:42 <lov> lseactuary: ten zillion
Apr 17 17:20:45 <SimonVT> 42
Apr 17 17:20:46 <oGMo> lov: should be irrelevant, but buffering will be an issue
Apr 17 17:20:49 <newguy> im tring to read getevent data as it arrives but all my testing makes me have to fiill a 4096 buffer before i ever get the getevent output
Apr 17 17:20:54 <lseactuary> lov - you serious?
Apr 17 17:20:55 <oGMo> but that's not java-specific
Apr 17 17:21:05 <lov> lseactuary: exactly how many are in a zillion?
Apr 17 17:21:12 <lseactuary> no idea
Apr 17 17:21:24 <lov> (zillion is a nonsense number)
Apr 17 17:21:26 <newguy> android terminal reads out this data as it arrives why cant my app i have tried everything
Apr 17 17:21:28 <lseactuary> i thought there were like 500,000 gaming apps but i couldnt find the answer on google :S
Apr 17 17:21:49 <oGMo> newguy: because you're using the wrong input stuff, almost certainly
Apr 17 17:22:36 <newguy> im using datainputstream and passing writing getevent to the outputstream wich starts filling the inputstream
Apr 17 17:22:41 <oGMo> but, i'm not sure why you're using the terminal as a comparison, or what exactly "getevent data" refers to
Apr 17 17:23:02 <newguy> im recording touch event info
Apr 17 17:23:20 <oGMo> sounds overly complicated, but are you just not seeing data in the file?
Apr 17 17:23:31 <oGMo> if you're not seeing output, flush the stream, io 101
Apr 17 17:23:50 <newguy> its blcoking on the read thats the problem
Apr 17 17:23:51 <lov> newguy: yeah, I'd say that you should probably start from the beginning here; what, exactly (be specific), are you trying to do, what is happening, what do you expect?
Apr 17 17:24:09 <newguy> and read only unblocks when 4096k fills the defalt buffer
Apr 17 17:24:09 <oGMo> that -^
Apr 17 17:24:37 <lov> newguy: stop.
Apr 17 17:24:40 <oGMo> so use unbuffered i/o or use nonblocking i/o
Apr 17 17:24:45 <oGMo> srs
Apr 17 17:24:50 <lov> newguy: write down what exactly the issue is in pastebin, then pastebin it.
Apr 17 17:24:55 <newguy> i have tried using java.nio without sucess
Apr 17 17:24:56 <lov> writing it down will help you collect your thoughts.
Apr 17 17:25:02 <Leeds> newguy: um, have you been here before recently under a different name?
Apr 17 17:25:17 <newguy> goodbye i dont like leeds
Apr 17 17:25:26 <newguy> ingnored
Apr 17 17:25:29 <Leeds> uh-huh
Apr 17 17:25:31 <SimonVT> haha
Apr 17 17:25:31 <oGMo> ...
Apr 17 17:25:33 <lov> ingnored?
Apr 17 17:25:37 <SimonVT> Pwned Leeds
Apr 17 17:25:43 <lov> he sure showed you?
Apr 17 17:25:43 <Leeds> yeah, I feel gutted
Apr 17 17:25:59 <Leeds> if he's ignoring me, does that mean I can be incredibly offensive about his sister?
Apr 17 17:26:15 <lov> I don't know, does it?
Apr 17 17:26:30 <Leeds> newguy: do you mind if I say offensive things about your sister?
Apr 17 17:26:49 <Leeds> anyway, for everyone else - he was fighting with this same stuff last week, under a different nick
Apr 17 17:27:16 <oGMo> ouch
Apr 17 17:28:08 <newguy> well lov to start from beginngin i want to read getevent line by line without read blocking simple enough?
Apr 17 17:28:44 <newguy> i have found it very difficult
Apr 17 17:29:08 <oGMo> ever talk to one of those NPCs where the conversation loops? i'm getting that feeling right now
Apr 17 17:29:36 <newguy> seems that everytime i try to read the buffer no matter what method i use the read blocks and does not read line by line as it is filling the inputstream
Apr 17 17:29:46 <evan> oGMo: welcome to #android-dev, you must be new here. The punch bowl is over there --->
Apr 17 17:29:55 <newguy> sorry ogmo ill shut up
Apr 17 17:30:12 <oGMo> evan: ;)
Apr 17 17:32:23 <Leeds> I wasn't actually suggesting that newguy didn't deserve help - he obviously needs it - just that he might need... 'extra' help, given that he's been stuck on this for a while
Apr 17 17:32:59 <oGMo> he needs to paste his code on github or something so we can see what's actually going on
Apr 17 17:33:55 <newguy> i have never used github maybe i should do that before i ask my questions next time thanks
Apr 17 17:33:59 <oGMo> the problem sounds rather simple and i'm guessing that simply calling flush() (or whatever, assuming there's a java analogue) or similar will help
Apr 17 17:34:08 <Leeds> only needs to be a pastebin, to be honest
Apr 17 17:34:19 <oGMo> well sure pastebin works fine if the code is small
Apr 17 17:34:19 <do0ob> snowpong: i'm designing it too
Apr 17 17:34:36 <oGMo> i.e. one file less than 5000 lines ;)
Apr 17 17:35:10 <newguy> lol its just a doinbackground it not 5000 lines
Apr 17 17:35:26 <oGMo> also a simplified example where newguy eliminates the getevent whatever and simply figures out how inputstream/outputstream work like he's trying would probably be an excellent exercise
Apr 17 17:36:16 <oGMo> i almost always write trivial code to test out how things work when i'm first using them, so i have something to fall back and compare differences if there are issues later
Apr 17 17:37:32 <newguy> yea the way i do it is copy my mainactivity that use different methods that accomplish the same thing with same results
Apr 17 17:38:02 <newguy> im gona make my way to pastbin
Apr 17 17:39:26 <lov> oGMo: Aha, I think I figured it out
Apr 17 17:39:29 <lov> http://source.android.com/tech/input/getevent.html
Apr 17 17:39:33 <lov> this is what he means by getevent
Apr 17 17:39:44 <oGMo> ahhhhh
Apr 17 17:39:57 <oGMo> my trivial search for a getevent method turned up nothing so i was like ?.?
Apr 17 17:40:10 <lov> Ironically, I just searched google for "getevent" and this was first
Apr 17 17:40:15 <oGMo> heh
Apr 17 17:40:52 <oGMo> but, buffering and blocking i/o are almost certainly the issue .. i'm sure googling "java nonblocking i/o" or "java unbuffered i/o" will turn up useful documents
Apr 17 17:41:17 <lov> oGMo: I'm willing to bet that at least part of it is him improperly using su via Runtime.exec
Apr 17 17:41:34 <oGMo> on the third hand, i have no clue why anyone would want to use getevent from their code, so that should probably be the first question :p
Apr 17 17:41:42 <oGMo> lov: could be
Apr 17 17:41:45 <Leeds> for what it's worth, his actual goal is a macro record-and-playback type thing
Apr 17 17:41:59 <Leeds> mainly for 'cheating' at games, I think - but it could have other uses
Apr 17 17:42:26 <oGMo> interesting, but still probably not the best way to do it, not that i'm particularly familiar with that aspect of the framework
Apr 17 17:42:40 <oGMo> i'd probably start by looking at what getevent does, and do that myself, though
Apr 17 17:42:48 <Leeds> ignoring me, or timed out - same effect :)
Apr 17 17:43:12 <oGMo> lesson: ignore Leeds and your internet connection goes away
Apr 17 17:43:24 <Leeds> HA HA HA HA HA... sorry :)
Apr 17 17:43:30 <oGMo> ;)
Apr 17 17:47:28 <snowpong> do0ob: OK, so what are you converting from? Whats the widthxheight in pixels you're currently using in Photoshop or whatver?
Apr 17 17:47:47 <bluesm> What is the meaning of android.intent.action.MAIN
Apr 17 17:47:51 <bluesm> ?
Apr 17 17:48:03 <snowpong> do0ob: dp assumes mdpi - if your design is for xhdpi, divide all pixel values by 2
Apr 17 17:48:40 <StingRay_> although for the most part, better to design in a resolution independent way!
Apr 17 17:49:37 <Leeds> bluesm: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_MAIN and many other bits of useful information may be found in the docs
Apr 17 17:51:06 <newguy> ok the code is messy but this is just one of the methods i am trying the other would be string builder with read line but same impimentation http://pastebin.com/HkAX3aW7
Apr 17 17:53:21 <do0ob> snowpong: i'm using vectors, so i usually export a 200x200 image and let android asset studio resize it for me, but i didn't know how big a dp was so it was trial and error to get the right, now i know 160dp is 1 inch i can make stuff
Apr 17 17:53:38 <snowpong> do0ob: OK
Apr 17 17:53:57 <bluesm> Leeds: I read managing life cycle of activity.  I wonder what it mean in intent filter
Apr 17 17:56:43 <newguy> btw that is not exact code it is just to show that the read is blocking and how im am implementing things
Apr 17 17:58:48 <newguy> i think i keep getting disconnected
Apr 17 18:01:23 <bluesm> @override what is the meaning of this?
Apr 17 18:02:09 <evan> it overrides a method defined in a base class
Apr 17 18:03:14 <newguy> so say you want to change the way a method works instead of using defalt u can change it by overriding it
Apr 17 18:04:52 <bluesm> newguy: I understand. Without this directive I can't ovveridw methods of class?
Apr 17 18:06:08 <newguy> it will just use the method that you created witch has the same name instead of using the defalt one
Apr 17 18:06:26 <evan> bluesm: you can
Apr 17 18:07:03 <evan> bluesm: the @Override annotation is just a hint so that if the base implementation changes, the compiler will tell you that you're not overriding anything and it probably won't work as you think it will
Apr 17 18:07:56 <lov> bluesm: in particular, it's a great way to catch typos and capitalization errors
Apr 17 18:08:23 <bluesm> Evan: it makes sense. So this is only compile a directive we could help me in the future
Apr 17 18:08:47 <bluesm> Which could help me in the future
Apr 17 18:09:10 <nullie> it will help you now
Apr 17 18:09:10 <bluesm> ?
Apr 17 18:09:24 <Yaku321> how do i see if i have the 64bit eclipse ?
Apr 17 18:09:26 <nullie> if you mistype name or some argument type
Apr 17 18:10:26 <bluesm> nullie: if I do ONcreate instead of onCreate?
Apr 17 18:10:55 <nullie> bluesm, probably yes
Apr 17 18:11:04 <newguy> has anyone looked at my pastbin link to see how i implement reading from inputstream?
Apr 17 18:11:06 <nullie> I'm not sure how Java handles case
Apr 17 18:11:55 <bluesm> nullie okay thank you very very very much for your time
Apr 17 18:12:29 <lov> nullie: it would cause an error, case sensitivity matters for method names.;
Apr 17 18:12:46 <lov> public void Foo() is not the same as public void foo() as far as the compiler cares; you'll have two similar names.
Apr 17 18:13:00 <nullie> lov, so it is possible to have Foo and foo?
Apr 17 18:13:17 <newguy> yes they are both different
Apr 17 18:13:20 <nullie> ok
Apr 17 18:14:13 * brx_ wonders if WebView will ever support pdf
Apr 17 18:15:56 <lov> nullie: yes, they're different method signatures
Apr 17 18:20:03 <newguy> while ((line = reader.readLine()) != null) {     //doProcessLine }  blocks too if buffer is not full
Apr 17 18:20:29 <JesusFreke> nullie: Ïœoo is also different from either of the above
Apr 17 18:21:27 <JesusFreke> The Ϝ being http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3dc/index.htm in this case
Apr 17 18:21:38 <newguy> here is the methods i have tried to read line by line without read blocking but it still seems to block untill defalt buffer is filled
Apr 17 18:21:40 <nullie> newguy, looks like you need nonblocking reader
Apr 17 18:22:16 <newguy> and suggestions because that is exactly what i want nonblocking reader
Apr 17 18:22:27 <newguy> anything i have tried still blocks
Apr 17 18:22:31 <nullie> JesusFreke, Java allows unicode identifiers?
Apr 17 18:22:48 <evan> JesusFreke: what about Fοο() ? and Fоо() ? and Fоο() ? and Fοо() ?
Apr 17 18:22:51 <evan> nullie: sure does
Apr 17 18:22:53 <nullie> newguy, what is your reader?
Apr 17 18:22:57 <nullie> evan, ok
Apr 17 18:23:11 <nullie> looks like it has every feature I don't need
Apr 17 18:23:16 <JesusFreke> nullie:  yes :p
Apr 17 18:23:26 <evan> nullie: int о = 1; int ο = 2; int o = ο + о;
Apr 17 18:23:27 <JesusFreke> evan: hey, I had a hard enough time finding one. shaddup :p
Apr 17 18:23:38 <evan> JesusFreke: I've got this bookmarked: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr36/confusables.txt
Apr 17 18:23:44 <Leeds> evan: what about Bar()?
Apr 17 18:23:46 <SimonVT> Foo both of you
Apr 17 18:24:20 <kakazza> Anyone using Kevin Saviki's http-request library and got it working with a progress dialog that shows the % done?
Apr 17 18:24:23 <Leeds> in fact, does anyone else feel like going to the Bar() and having a Beer()?
Apr 17 18:24:39 <kakazza> Using it to upload files that are large enough that a simple spinner wouldn't cut it.
Apr 17 18:25:01 <JesusFreke> Can we go to the Ïœoo().Bar()?
Apr 17 18:25:58 <evan> JesusFreke: gross--it's not even noon yet.
Apr 17 18:26:12 <JesusFreke> It's evening somewhere in the world
Apr 17 18:26:15 <Leeds> http://www.yelp.com/biz/foobar-nashville
Apr 17 18:27:26 <nullie> oh
Apr 17 18:27:59 <newguy> need help reading from inputstream without blocking read() http://pastebin.com/HkAX3aW7
Apr 17 18:28:26 <maslen> Is there any  API that's most commonly-used for network communication? Or are they too specific-purpose to generify them that much?
Apr 17 18:28:44 <nullie> newguy, you probably want to implement non-blocking readLine yourself using http://developer.android.com/reference/java/io/Reader.html#ready()
Apr 17 18:29:59 <nullie> s/want/need/
Apr 17 18:30:30 <Leeds> maslen: sockets, if you need something lower-level than URL/apache-HTTP sort of stuff
Apr 17 18:33:09 <maslen> Leeds: OK, thanks.
Apr 17 18:34:35 <newguy> looking for examples now thank you nullie
Apr 17 18:35:35 <nullie> newguy, if ready(), read() (without count) and put to buffer, if there are new lines in buffer, get some lines from there
Apr 17 18:36:43 <newguy> sounds like it would work and its something i have not tried yet
Apr 17 18:43:59 <bluesm1> What android developers use on server side ?
Apr 17 18:44:33 <Leeds> bluesm1: BASIC, mainly
Apr 17 18:45:09 <bluesm1>  Leeds:  What ?
Apr 17 18:45:32 <Leeds> Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code... I guess you've heard of it?
Apr 17 18:45:41 <Solupus> hmm, http://source.android.com/source/code-style.html#dont-use-finalizers
Apr 17 18:45:58 <spike|spiegel> heresy!... we use COBOL
Apr 17 18:45:59 <Solupus> so its bad practice to use try { } catch {} finally {} ?
Apr 17 18:46:07 <bluesm1> Leeds:  You are kidding me. I think.
Apr 17 18:46:10 <Solupus> the finally*
Apr 17 18:46:24 <bluesm1> Leeds: ?
Apr 17 18:46:28 <Solupus> he is bluesm
Apr 17 18:46:30 <Leeds> bluesm1: why would you say that?
Apr 17 18:46:48 <Solupus> spike|spiegel is correct though
Apr 17 18:46:53 <Solupus> COBOL is the way to go
Apr 17 18:47:02 <bluesm1>  Leeds:  BASIC ? On server side ?
Apr 17 18:47:26 <SimonVT> finally != finalizer
Apr 17 18:47:59 <Solupus> are you sure simonvt? it stated InputStream so i thought it was... hmmm
Apr 17 18:48:34 <lov> Solupus: finally != finalizer
Apr 17 18:48:44 <lov> we're very sure.
Apr 17 18:49:16 <Solupus> ahh need to brush up on my java pft.
Apr 17 18:51:47 <spike|spiegel> Solupus: you can use finalizers. You is stoping you!  just call gc() after each line in your code.
Apr 17 18:53:35 <Solupus> youre funny spike :)
Apr 17 19:05:35 <pfn> newguy, you can't read from inputstream without blocking read
Apr 17 19:05:49 <pfn> newguy, use a thread, or nonblocking IO if your inputstream/channel supports it
Apr 17 19:11:25 <newguy> pfn lov has suggested that i use InputStreamReader and BufferedReader implementation would this work for reading line by line without blocking?
Apr 17 19:12:09 <newguy> im looking at this for example http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2296685/how-to-read-input-with-multiple-lines-in-java?rq=1
Apr 17 19:14:28 <lov> >_<
Apr 17 19:14:47 <lov> so, BufferedReader just tries to opportunistically read blocks of content instead of reading a byte at a time
Apr 17 19:14:52 <lov> that's not going to help you
Apr 17 19:15:01 <lov> similarly, InputStreamReader is just a decorator that allows you to use the Reader interface
Apr 17 19:15:06 <newguy> damn ok
Apr 17 19:15:21 <newguy> i need example that works =(
Apr 17 19:16:05 <lhunath> what is supposed to happen to Runnables that I've posted with my view after the view is detached from the window?
Apr 17 19:17:37 <lhunath> I'm seeing my Runnable remaining alive, held by pool-1-thread-1, and the Runnable references a bunch of objects I need garbage collected.  why is a Runnable of a view that has long gone still referenced by the main thread?
Apr 17 19:18:12 <newguy> i guess i just dont understand using a thread or non blocking io   i have tried to create a channel using java.nio but that blocks too
Apr 17 19:19:06 <pfn> newguy, you cannot read from a stream without blocking
Apr 17 19:19:24 <pfn> newguy, if you want to not block, you either have to use nio, if your stream/channel support it, or threads
Apr 17 19:19:31 <lhunath> http://stuff.lhunath.com/shots/shot.1366226273.png - the selected line is a reference to my runnable: http://stuff.lhunath.com/shots/shot.1366226352.png
Apr 17 19:20:15 <pfn> lhunath, a runnable will be referenced by a thread for as long as that thread is running
Apr 17 19:20:17 <newguy> my goal is to read line by line in real time as the input data is being process by getevent
Apr 17 19:20:30 <pfn> pool-1-thread-1 is not the main thread
Apr 17 19:20:39 <pfn> newguy, learn2thread
Apr 17 19:20:49 <newguy> kk
Apr 17 19:20:49 <lhunath> pfn: shouldn't a view that's detached from a window dump all runnables posted by it?
Apr 17 19:21:02 <pfn> lhunath, you didn't post to the main thread
Apr 17 19:21:08 <pfn> pool-1-thread-1 is not the main thread
Apr 17 19:21:15 <pfn> 'main' is the main thread
Apr 17 19:21:20 <lhunath> it's a thread i the main thread group.
Apr 17 19:21:37 <lhunath> what is post then, and regardless of what it is; shouldn't a view that's detached from a window dump all runnables posted by it?
Apr 17 19:21:59 <pfn> no, it doesn't
Apr 17 19:22:04 <newguy> there are no examples of acomplishing this?
Apr 17 19:22:18 <lhunath> so, what do I do to clean up any runnables my view might have post'ed?
Apr 17 19:22:32 <pfn> lhunath, removeCallbacks
Apr 17 19:22:45 <pfn> newguy, there are lots, read the book java concurrency in practice
Apr 17 19:23:03 <newguy> ill check it out thank you
Apr 17 19:23:25 <lhunath> so what's the pattern here; each time I do a post, I should also put the runnable in a set, and on onDetachedFromWindow removeCallbacks on each of the runnables in my set?
Apr 17 19:23:42 <pfn> possibly, yes
Apr 17 19:23:51 <lhunath> is that what you do whenever you post?
Apr 17 19:24:42 <pfn> I generally don't need to, I don't have messages posted outside of my lifecycle waiting to be processed
Apr 17 19:25:19 <lhunath> does this only apply to messages posted while the view is detached?
Apr 17 19:25:34 <pfn> I have no idea what your circumstance is
Apr 17 19:27:21 <lhunath> I thought your statement assumes that, since if posted messages while the view is attached could leak on a thread if they don't fire before the view is detached you'd have leaks - so you would need to.
Apr 17 19:27:41 <lhunath> the grammar of that is messed up.
Apr 17 19:32:17 <maslen> If a class implements Serializable, do I need to also implement Parcelable before it can be sent over AIDL?
Apr 17 19:33:31 <StingRay_> maslen: can I ask what your using that service for ?
Apr 17 19:33:38 <StingRay_> as in why is it in another process etc
Apr 17 19:33:46 <maslen> StingRay_: Ugly hacky research things.
Apr 17 19:33:54 <pfn> you know, synchronized(this) inside of your runnable is meaningless
Apr 17 19:33:54 <pfn> also, presumably, reloadData is running on your main thread, there's no reason to synchronize
Apr 17 19:33:54 <pfn> since your post will occur at a later time
Apr 17 19:34:02 <evan> maslen: yes, I think so
Apr 17 19:34:35 <evan> maslen: I don't think Serializable can be sent over AIDL
Apr 17 19:42:40 <ninharp> http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/17725/PHILIPS/HEF4066BT.html
Apr 17 19:42:40 <ninharp> 0.01Hz to 10Hz NOISE: 1.1μVPP
Apr 17 19:42:43 <ninharp> ups
Apr 17 19:44:24 <monsti> hi
Apr 17 19:44:35 <monsti> is there any glass dev chan?
Apr 17 19:45:24 <coco89> Okay guys so, I'm trying to parse some JSON data into a table.  This example method populates the table.  http://pastebin.com/ewCCRVQC.  My output is an array with one object per row like so [{"lecture_id":"1","day":"Wednesday","start_time":"03:00:00","end_time":"04:00:00","room_no":"room101","registered":"yes"}].  Does this mean that I'd need to modify this method to loop through JSONArrays?
Apr 17 19:45:59 <coco89> so instead of getJSONArray(
Apr 17 19:46:00 <coco89> "data"); I'd have something like getJSONArray(i) and loop through i?
Apr 17 19:46:00 <monsti> coco89: if possible try a json 2 object parser
Apr 17 19:46:12 <monsti> e.g. gson
Apr 17 19:46:15 <monsti> e.g. jackson
Apr 17 19:46:28 <coco89> monsti, I have a json to object method
Apr 17 19:46:41 <coco89> monsti, wait
Apr 17 19:46:42 <monsti> well you might have good reasons for that
Apr 17 19:47:00 <coco89> monsti, I have this http://pastebin.com/jLBKeRpD
Apr 17 19:47:52 <monsti> i don't see the object
Apr 17 19:48:07 <monsti> https://code.google.com/p/google-gson/
Apr 17 19:48:27 <monsti> also some keywords
Apr 17 19:48:41 <monsti> jackson parser or spring framework rest template
Apr 17 19:48:54 <monsti> google for this libs, i'll make your live very easy
Apr 17 19:49:15 <monsti> you get "some string" -> customer.Data ... customer.OrderList.get(17).Name
Apr 17 19:50:27 <coco89> so what about the method i posted earlier
Apr 17 19:50:34 <coco89> I could use that
Apr 17 19:50:51 <coco89> to populate a table
Apr 17 19:50:53 <monsti> yes it's like using java to call C to call asm
Apr 17 19:51:13 <monsti> you have to downdrill the json string by yourself
Apr 17 19:51:33 <monsti> e.g "customer".getItems("foo").getItems("bar")...
Apr 17 19:51:53 <monsti> consider this "lightweight" or "ugly"
Apr 17 19:52:02 <monsti> depending on your point of view
Apr 17 19:53:56 <dahlmoony> Plz help. Intent i = new Intent ("blabla"); startActivity(i);
Apr 17 19:54:21 <dahlmoony> can someone please explain what it is?
Apr 17 19:54:25 <monsti> yes
Apr 17 19:55:23 <monsti> dahlmoony: the activity class in android is the controling container of a "form"
Apr 17 19:55:33 <tnzr> does anyone know if it's possible to convince the phone receiver that an AudioTrack in stream mode is a ringtone?
Apr 17 19:55:53 <monsti> dahlmoony: an intent is a parameter to specify a mode and type of an activity (from your program or from any other installed app)
Apr 17 19:56:07 <monsti> dahlmoony: an intent can also contain parameters
Apr 17 19:59:23 <nesoi> hello, has anyone here made an app which receives SMS?
Apr 17 19:59:32 <dahlmoony> monsti: but when i wrote that, did i create an intent called "i"? and where what can the ("blabla") be? another activity?
Apr 17 19:59:47 <monsti> dahlmoony: an instance of an intent with the variable name "i"
Apr 17 20:00:20 <nesoi> I’m trying to figure out if I need to create a background service, etc. or if there’s a way to get Android to start my app when an SMS comes in, as it will do for GCM
Apr 17 20:00:22 <monsti> dahlmoony: you can name variable by yourself - e.g. "myVeryCoolVariableName"
Apr 17 20:02:33 <coco89> Okay guys so, I'm trying to parse some JSON data into a table.  This example method populates the table.  http://pastebin.com/ewCCRVQC.  My output is an array with one object per row like so [{"lecture_id":"1","day":"Wednesday","start_time":"03:00:00","end_time":"04:00:00","room_no":"room101","registered":"yes"}].  Does this mean that I'd need to modify this method to loop through JSONArrays?
Apr 17 20:04:39 <ProgramMax> hey guys
Apr 17 20:04:43 <ProgramMax> I have a media player question
Apr 17 20:05:02 <ProgramMax> I seem to get my open called twice
Apr 17 20:05:06 <ProgramMax> is that normal?
Apr 17 20:05:15 <ProgramMax> Am I perhaps accidentally calling open twice somehow?
Apr 17 20:06:30 <dahlmoony> monsti: ok thx. but am i getting this right, I created a intent and it will run something else called blabla cuz i started the activity in the end? or no?
Apr 17 20:06:51 <coco89> if I understand correctly this method goes through each JSONObejct in a JSONArray and loops through it to create a row? http://pastebin.com/ewCCRVQC What if I wanted to create a row for every JSON Array? Since my output for each insert is always a new JSONArray?
Apr 17 20:07:12 <coco89> like so o [{"lecture_id":"1","day":"Wednesday","start_time":"03:00:00","end_time":"04:00:00","room_no":"room101","registered":"yes"}]
Apr 17 20:08:21 <monsti> dahlmoony: do you know how to use a programming language? i'll answerd android questions and i am not a coding lecture
Apr 17 20:08:41 <StingRay_> monsti: you sure ?
Apr 17 20:08:42 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 20:08:50 <monsti> StingRay_: very sure!
Apr 17 20:09:24 <monsti> i bet the thing between my legs i am not allowed to call by name (only by reference)
Apr 17 20:10:16 <StingRay_> must admit there are lots of people who come in here that refuse to read/search first
Apr 17 20:10:29 <coco89> StingRay_, i've done my reading
Apr 17 20:12:32 <StingRay_> so why are you getting an array of 1 every time ?
Apr 17 20:12:35 <StingRay_> out of interest
Apr 17 20:12:58 <StingRay_> btw thats a serious question
Apr 17 20:13:17 <coco89> StingRay_, I dunno, my sql query is just a standard insert and then i'm using a while loop to output to json format
Apr 17 20:13:37 <dahlmoony> if u replied plz write again cuz i DCed
Apr 17 20:13:42 <StingRay_> "I dunno"
Apr 17 20:14:08 <StingRay_> if there is no practical need, or it's always size of 1
Apr 17 20:14:10 <StingRay_> dont
Apr 17 20:14:17 <coco89> StingRay_, it's going through a while loop
Apr 17 20:14:22 <coco89> and outputing to json
Apr 17 20:14:25 <StingRay_> once
Apr 17 20:14:28 <StingRay_> everytime
Apr 17 20:14:37 <StingRay_> from what I understand of your question
Apr 17 20:14:40 <monsti> i use wcf with a custom json serializer, gzip encoding and jackson/spring framework with resttemplate
Apr 17 20:14:48 <StingRay_> I'm saying is it worth it
Apr 17 20:15:01 <monsti> there is a datacontract in .net and i implement this with a proxy wrapper
Apr 17 20:15:09 <monsti> so ... there is no "parsing" just calling
Apr 17 20:15:16 <coco89> StingRay_, i'm not sure how to change it
Apr 17 20:27:31 <GlitchNZ> What is the most straight forward secure digest algorithm to use in Android for verifying external communications?
Apr 17 20:28:12 <monsti> depends on your definition of security
Apr 17 20:28:18 <monsti> i use a https/ssl certificate
Apr 17 20:28:26 <monsti> that's enough for my stuff
Apr 17 20:28:46 <sonOfRa> i don't think he wants to encrypt
Apr 17 20:28:50 <sonOfRa> he wants to sign?
Apr 17 20:29:13 <lov> GlitchNZ: triple rot13
Apr 17 20:29:27 <monsti> the "external communication" doesn't fit with sign
Apr 17 20:29:28 <GlitchNZ> Yes - https will come later, for now I want to sign messages from my server and verify them on the device
Apr 17 20:30:06 <spike|spiegel> GlitchNZ: most straight forward? SHA1
Apr 17 20:30:12 <GlitchNZ> I am writing system applications, so storing a public key in the app itself is not a problem
Apr 17 20:31:07 <monsti> i didn't find any java application, that can use M$ standard message signing alorithm - not for webservice nor for wcf
Apr 17 20:31:25 <GlitchNZ> spike: Thanks, using the MessageDigest class  ipresume
Apr 17 20:32:32 <spike|spiegel> GlitchNZ: yarp
Apr 17 20:32:34 <hwrd|work> The new S4 is boss AF
Apr 17 20:33:20 <monsti> well i hope i can get rid of my viagra when i have the S4
Apr 17 20:33:24 <GlitchNZ> is SHA1 still considered a secure standard?
Apr 17 20:34:18 <spike|spiegel> GlitchNZ: are you fighting the NSA?
Apr 17 20:34:21 <GlitchNZ> Wikipedia suggests that it is now out-dated
Apr 17 20:34:28 <GlitchNZ> spike: not likely :p
Apr 17 20:34:43 <spike|spiegel> then, no need to worry.
Apr 17 20:35:00 <timroes> GlitchNZ: it is recommended to use sha-2 stuff instead if you anyway start something new
Apr 17 20:35:03 <GlitchNZ> stil - does android support the 256 or 512 bit versions (SHA-2) ?
Apr 17 20:35:27 <GlitchNZ> timroes: Thats what I am thinking
Apr 17 20:38:17 <GlitchNZ> SHA doesn;t handle public/private key digests does it?
Apr 17 20:38:34 <rburton-> RSA does
Apr 17 20:38:45 <GlitchNZ> yep
Apr 17 20:39:25 <rburton-> SHA isn't and asymmetric cipher
Apr 17 20:39:54 <rburton-> its a hashing mechanims
Apr 17 20:40:51 <GlitchNZ> yes, well I  think I need asymmetric, otherwise someone could de-compile the code, work out the key and then do man-in-the-middle type attacks
Apr 17 20:41:38 <rburton-> GlitchNZ I'm using RSA for the same reasons
Apr 17 20:41:42 <rburton-> I just exchange public keys
Apr 17 20:42:01 <GlitchNZ> Does RSA do 'signing' as opposed to full encryption?
Apr 17 20:42:13 <rburton-> signing as in verification?
Apr 17 20:42:17 <GlitchNZ> yes
Apr 17 20:42:20 <rburton-> You can
Apr 17 20:42:33 <GlitchNZ> It would be convienint in my case if the data was sent in the clear, and just signed to verify it is legitimate
Apr 17 20:42:39 <ali__> does anyone know how to implement this with an ImageView http://f.cl.ly/items/0d2t2K2U0y452l1v0e1w/Screen%20Recording%202.mov
Apr 17 20:42:45 <timroes> GlitchNZ: you can use RSA to sign or encrypt stuff, one you do with its private key, the other with the public key
Apr 17 20:43:13 <rburton-> GlitchNZ in your payload, add a sequence so you know its not out of order and prevent replaying etc
Apr 17 20:43:27 <GlitchNZ> rburton: nice suggestion
Apr 17 20:43:50 <GlitchNZ> I can timestamp the data an 'expire; it if its to old
Apr 17 20:43:51 <rburton-> In my case, I'm not worried about that since the only person sending messages is my server and I can SSL it
Apr 17 20:43:56 <rburton-> yup or timestamp
Apr 17 20:44:33 <GlitchNZ> Yes, we will be using SSL in the future, but we will need some certificate authority hierrchy stuff that we don't want to deal with yet
Apr 17 20:44:45 <rburton-> I agree
Apr 17 20:44:51 <GlitchNZ> (hierarchy
Apr 17 20:45:13 <rburton-> I want my applciations to be secure so using RSA
Apr 17 20:45:30 <monsti> yeah RSA makes stuff secure ;)
Apr 17 20:45:36 <rburton-> I use GSON to serialize the keys (public/private) and send the public key to the server
Apr 17 20:45:38 <monsti> ps3, xbox 1/2, Wii
Apr 17 20:45:43 <nesoi> No one here has made an app which receives SMS?
Apr 17 20:45:44 <rburton-> Then server then 'pairs' people up to talk
Apr 17 20:45:52 <rburton-> in doing so, I send over the public key
Apr 17 20:45:52 <nesoi> I’m trying to figure out if I need to create a background service, etc. or if there’s a way to get Android to start my app when an SMS comes in, as it will do for GCM
Apr 17 20:46:42 <rburton-> GlitchNZ what are you trying to do exactly on the client side?
Apr 17 20:46:44 <rburton-> Just curious
Apr 17 20:47:18 <ali__> nesoi: A receiver in a service would work fine
Apr 17 20:47:28 <rburton-> ali__ that's what we all think :)
Apr 17 20:48:12 <rburton-> great, I just pulled a pycon violation. Someone is going to take a screenshot and post it on Twitter so a femnazi will attack me and use a picture of me and a young family member coding in her blog
Apr 17 20:48:14 <nesoi> ali__ : I need to receive SMS even if the app hasn’t been started by the user since boot
Apr 17 20:48:14 <rburton-> ;)
Apr 17 20:48:40 <rburton-> nesoi they have what's called a reciever for that like ali__ pointed out
Apr 17 20:48:42 <nesoi> in other words: user installs app, starts it, does something, reboots. The app should still get new SMS that come in
Apr 17 20:49:16 <ali__> nesoi: yes it will work
Apr 17 20:49:34 <nesoi> I have it receiving SMS, but if it’s paused, terminated or not started, it doesn’t receive them. What do I need to do to make this work??
Apr 17 20:49:41 <rburton-> callbacks
Apr 17 20:49:56 <rburton-> Android will invoke a method on your service class like it does with push notitifications
Apr 17 20:50:03 <rburton-> e.g., GCMBaseIntentService
Apr 17 20:50:07 <ali__> anyone know if the view property animator can be use to change the values of the image view matrix over time?
Apr 17 20:50:21 <rburton-> ali__ for animated images?
Apr 17 20:50:34 <ali__> rburton-: yeah
Apr 17 20:50:49 <ali__> nesoi: you could make it sticky
Apr 17 20:50:53 <rburton-> I was looking for that as well and I found an example a while ago for how to simulate animated gifs
Apr 17 20:51:10 <nesoi> ali__ : how would I do that?
Apr 17 20:51:14 <ali__> rburton-: not exactly animated gifs
Apr 17 20:51:26 <rburton-> nesoi theres good documentation on Androids site
Apr 17 20:51:33 <rburton-> No offense, there's multiple steps
Apr 17 20:51:48 <rburton-> Why is my device connecting and reconnecting
Apr 17 20:51:51 <dahlmoony> Question: How long will it take to learn Java+android dev? 1-4months, 4-6 months, or like 1 year? if I do it like 4 hours a day
Apr 17 20:52:02 <rburton-> dahlmoony know any languages?
Apr 17 20:52:02 <ali__> What I was thinking of was if the bitmap the ImageView was going to draw is bigger than its bounds then to show all the contents it would sort of change the display matrix
Apr 17 20:52:02 <nesoi> rburton- : thing is, I have it set up to receive SMS, and it does receive them. But only when the app is running. Not when it’s paused, terminated or hasn’t been started.
Apr 17 20:52:15 <dahlmoony> rburton-nope nothing
Apr 17 20:52:32 <rburton-> dahlmoony: such estimates are pointless since it varies greatly
Apr 17 20:52:36 <nesoi> So I don’t know how to make it work except by creating a background service loaded at boot time. Which I’m trying to avoid doing if Android will start it for me as it does for GCM
Apr 17 20:52:45 <ali__> dahlmoony: maybe a day or a year. Depends on how fast you pick it up
Apr 17 20:53:02 <dahlmoony> so how long did it take for y'all?
Apr 17 20:53:14 <rburton-> I knew java for 15 years
Apr 17 20:53:18 <rburton-> well 13-14?
Apr 17 20:53:22 <ali__> rburton-: any idea on what I want to achieve
Apr 17 20:53:36 <nesoi> hence there’s a question: is there a way to get Android to start my app when an SMS comes in, as it will do for GCM
Apr 17 20:53:41 <rburton-> You want an expanding image it sounds like? That's somethig outside my skills at the moment
Apr 17 20:53:43 <rburton-> without researching
Apr 17 20:54:29 <dahlmoony> rburton-if you have been able to program for so long, have you done anything that have made money yet? like google maps or something?
Apr 17 20:54:49 <ali__> google maps is free
Apr 17 20:55:09 <dahlmoony> doesnt mean its valued at $0
Apr 17 20:55:31 <ali__> rburton-: well I was thinking of animating the ImageView matrix using the new view property animator framework. In theory it should work :p
Apr 17 20:55:46 <rburton-> dahlmoony I wrote software for large companies and did well
Apr 17 20:55:56 <ali__> dahlmoony: you mean "have you built something that is useful"
Apr 17 20:55:58 <rburton-> ali__: do try and blog about it :)
Apr 17 20:56:05 <rburton-> I'll be interested in it
Apr 17 20:57:02 <dahlmoony> rburton- is it fun to work for big companies instead of doing stuff yourself?
Apr 17 20:57:34 <rburton-> that's a personal thing. At the moment I dont work because I want to have fun :)
Apr 17 20:57:49 <dahlmoony> :D
Apr 17 20:58:23 <g00s> sweet, i hope the ACLU succeeds http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/16/4229432/aclu-ftc-complaint-verizon-att-t-mobile-sprint-android
Apr 17 20:58:24 <rburton-> I'll go back to the east coast and work for 3 months soon just to put money in the bank
Apr 17 20:59:00 <benlieb> I'm trying to include an external jar library in my project, and though Eclipse finds the classes, the emulator doesn't. What am i missing?
Apr 17 20:59:10 <rburton-> put them in the lib directory
Apr 17 20:59:14 <g00s> libs
Apr 17 20:59:30 <ali__> any of you guys take up contract work?
Apr 17 20:59:36 <benlieb> i made a libs directory from the command line but it doesn't show up.
Apr 17 21:00:09 <nesoi> so ali__, rburton-, anyone else, you don’t know if there’s a way to make android start my app if an SMS comes in?
Apr 17 21:00:35 <rburton-> nesoi man stop wasting time. You have more than enough to go RTFM and get the details
Apr 17 21:01:13 <ali__> nesoi: receiver in service and make service sticky
Apr 17 21:01:19 <nesoi> read what manual? I already knew that I could do it by starting a background service at boot. My question is whether there’s another way. If you don’t know, please don’t suggest.
Apr 17 21:01:23 <dahlmoony> rburton- are you coders not doing startup ventures cuz u are not good/interested in business, or just becouse its so hard? no one here seems to be very entreprenurial :P
Apr 17 21:01:47 <rburton-> nesoi: stop enough man. You're asking for way too much and not putting in any effort
Apr 17 21:01:51 <nesoi> ali__ : by ‘make the service sticky’ are you saying something other than create a background service that receives BOOT_COMPLETED?
Apr 17 21:01:56 <lov> dahlmoony: we have better shit to do.
Apr 17 21:02:05 <ali__> nesoi: yes
Apr 17 21:02:06 <nesoi> and starts a service?
Apr 17 21:02:07 <lov> ali__: no advertising here, please. *points to topic*
Apr 17 21:02:19 <nesoi> ali__ : so what do you mean by making the service sticky?
Apr 17 21:02:19 <rburton-> dahlmoony come again?
Apr 17 21:02:37 <rburton-> documentation
Apr 17 21:02:39 <ali__> lov: Ahh! sorry about that
Apr 17 21:02:52 <ali__> nesoi: read the docs
Apr 17 21:03:02 <nesoi> docs on what specifically?
Apr 17 21:03:04 <lov> dahlmoony: Anyway, back to your original question, you really need to have a good handle on Java before doing Android, so you should budget at least 6 months to reach the beginner level before starting Android, which will take plenty more time.
Apr 17 21:03:07 <rburton-> God damn nesoi
Apr 17 21:03:18 <rburton-> Google help help you greatly
Apr 17 21:03:20 <lov> dahlmoony: it can take you several months to start learning android, but it will probably take you several years to start doing it WELL.
Apr 17 21:03:31 <nesoi> google search for what? sticky service??
Apr 17 21:03:34 <lov> yes.
Apr 17 21:03:37 <lov> "android sticky service"
Apr 17 21:03:39 <lov> search for that
Apr 17 21:03:41 <rburton-> Now you're asking how to do a google search?
Apr 17 21:03:44 <lov> or better yet search for "sticky" on d.android.com
Apr 17 21:03:50 * rburton- wonders how nesoi learned to pee
Apr 17 21:04:12 <ivali> who is nesoi?
Apr 17 21:04:16 <rburton-> a troll
Apr 17 21:04:21 <nesoi> wtf?
Apr 17 21:05:17 <lov> all flaming aside, nesoi, you might want to poke around https://developer.android.com/training/index.html and https://developer.android.com/guide/components/index.html a little bit.
Apr 17 21:05:19 <dahlmoony> lov: thats tough facts for me cuz I wanna do some cool app, but I obviously can't raise money without prototype and I also cant be the MBA douche that tries to hire a "code monkey" to do all the work... what should i do? :/
Apr 17 21:05:33 <lov> dahlmoony: get a job?
Apr 17 21:05:41 <benlieb> can anyone point me to resources for how to include a 3rd party jar into my android project?
Apr 17 21:05:42 <lov> such is the life of venture capital.
Apr 17 21:05:50 <lov> benlieb: drop it into the libs/ dir in your project.
Apr 17 21:05:52 <lov> the end.
Apr 17 21:06:33 <benlieb> lov: there is no libs dir, and when I make it on the command line, it doesn't show up in the project in eclipse...
Apr 17 21:07:02 <benlieb> lov: when I make that dir in eclipse id doesn't show a libs directory via ls. How exactly do I drop it in there?
Apr 17 21:07:30 <lov> o_O
Apr 17 21:07:33 <lov> I'm not sure how you're making it in eclipse.
Apr 17 21:07:41 <lov> Make it at the command line, put your jar in there, and refresh your project in eclipse.
Apr 17 21:07:53 <lov> eclipse won't necessarily auto-update changes to your projects without being prompted.
Apr 17 21:08:00 <ali__> benlieb: eclipse is a bit odd. You should refresh your project in the explorer
Apr 17 21:08:41 <lov> benlieb: there's also http://developer.android.com/guide/faq/commontasks.html#addexternallibrary but that's actually.... terrible advice wtf.
Apr 17 21:09:10 <benlieb> ok, tnx, I'll look into this. I hear that Dalvik can't read normal jars?
Apr 17 21:10:05 <nesoi> Am I missing something? The question is, I register to receive sms via IntentFilter("android.provider.Telephony.SMS_RECEIVED"), how can I get Android to start the service whenever an SMS comes in even if the app has not been started? Currently it only gives me the SMS if the app is running.
Apr 17 21:10:11 * rburton- #fail
Apr 17 21:10:18 <dahlmoony> lov: So is it with certainty in your mind that I cannot pull it off without coding skills? Good programmers won't accept me only bringing an idea and some business skills to the table, am I right?
Apr 17 21:10:22 <lov> benlieb: correct, which is why the preprocessor will read all of the .class files in your jars.
Apr 17 21:10:28 <nesoi> the only way I’ve figured out how to do this is to start a service at boot time
Apr 17 21:10:36 <lov> dahlmoony: ideas are cheap. We all come up with 10 great app ideas before breakfast.
Apr 17 21:10:44 <lov> the ability to execute those ideas are what actually makes you money.
Apr 17 21:10:51 <rburton-> lov: 10? That's all? ;)
Apr 17 21:10:56 <benlieb> nesoi: who you talking to?
Apr 17 21:10:57 <lov> rburton-: who's counting
Apr 17 21:11:03 <rburton-> I just counted 5 ;)
Apr 17 21:11:19 <rburton-> an application to stab nesoi in the eye socket the next time he asks the same question
Apr 17 21:11:23 <rburton-> 6
Apr 17 21:11:41 <ali__> rburton-: HAHA nice I'd buy that app
Apr 17 21:11:46 <nullie> dahlmoony, if you have business skills, you hire the programmer
Apr 17 21:11:48 <rburton-> :)
Apr 17 21:12:07 <rburton-> dahlmoony if doing a company was so easy, this channel would be named #billionaires.
Apr 17 21:12:07 <nesoi> benlieb: I’m talking to anyone who knows something and wants to help rather than telling me I should search the documentation. I’m not convinced that rburton- actually knows how to do this at all.
Apr 17 21:12:10 <dahlmoony> nullie: But do they need me? What can I do in early stage? nothing!
Apr 17 21:12:24 <nullie> dahlmoony, money
Apr 17 21:12:24 <rburton-> nesoi you got me.. now let me spoon feed you.
Apr 17 21:12:26 <lov> nesoi: use a broadcast receiver to start a service.
Apr 17 21:12:47 <lov> iirc receiving sms messages sends broadcast intents
Apr 17 21:12:55 <lov> hell, do a google search for "android read sms broadcast" or something
Apr 17 21:13:40 * rburton- nesoi how do I do a google search? On what? And how do I know if its the right document?! You guys just don't know that's why you say it.
Apr 17 21:14:16 <nullie> dahlmoony, if you don't have money, but really have business skills, you find investors
Apr 17 21:14:17 <rburton-> enough dual tasking. Back to focusing
Apr 17 21:14:59 <monsti> nullie: yes
Apr 17 21:14:59 <nesoi> lov: I have <service android:name=".SmsReceiver"><intent-filter><action android:name="android.provider.Telephony.SMS_RECEIVED" /></intent-filter></service> but it only seems to work if the app is running. Should it be working even if the app has not been started since boot?
Apr 17 21:15:27 <nesoi> is that a stupid question? really?
Apr 17 21:15:45 <rburton-> No the lack of research and effort you put in, is stupid.
Apr 17 21:15:56 <monsti> nesoi: yes it's stupid
Apr 17 21:16:47 <nesoi> so what’s the answer? Should this start the service when an SMS comes in even if the app has not been started since boot or not?
Apr 17 21:17:06 <monsti> nesoi: find out what's a broadcast in android
Apr 17 21:17:09 <rburton-> nesoi no one here is apposed to helping you. If you don't do any research, you're just wasting time and bytes.
Apr 17 21:17:10 <monsti> nesoi: then ask again
Apr 17 21:18:53 <bankai_> rburton-: it'd be mb by now, i'd say
Apr 17 21:19:01 <nullie> nesoi, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.styleable.html#AndroidManifestReceiver
Apr 17 21:19:03 <rburton-> or more ;)
Apr 17 21:19:40 <dahlmoony> should i do shitty prototype before lookin 4 programmer, or will he just re-write from scratch? feels it would be less likely he would steal it if its atleast a little more than idea?
Apr 17 21:20:01 <rburton-> dahlmoony depends on how you want to waste your money really.
Apr 17 21:20:14 <dahlmoony> meaning?
Apr 17 21:20:17 <monsti> dahlmoony: well if you don't know to code - you can avoid prototyping
Apr 17 21:20:43 <rburton-> odds are, the idea will fail. So save money and take the path that'll allow you to try again.
Apr 17 21:20:56 <monsti> dahlmoony: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups - that's better
Apr 17 21:21:00 <nesoi> thanks nullie
Apr 17 21:21:33 <bankai_> fireworks is good too
Apr 17 21:23:04 <g00s> dahlmoony: facebook used quartz composer for their FB Home prototyping. you could also check that out. i never tried it
Apr 17 21:24:10 <monsti> after prototyping i use my gfx guy with photoshop to make it sexy
Apr 17 21:24:28 <monsti> then i use my brain to decide if i can layout this
Apr 17 21:24:30 <monsti> ... then i code
Apr 17 21:25:01 <g00s> monsti: grab a book on lean UX or something
Apr 17 21:25:06 <monsti> prototyping can decide if i need one mask or 4 steps...
Apr 17 21:25:39 <monsti> thx!
Apr 17 21:25:54 <rburton-> I'm big on keeping shit dead stupid simple.
Apr 17 21:26:10 <rburton-> Once you find a product that's dead simple, you can build on it. Details kill shit :D
Apr 17 21:27:16 <dahlmoony> these are interesting things, can I use one of these for-dummies things and then tweak details in the java files that the programs cant handle?
Apr 17 21:27:27 <spike|spiegel> I like the UIs that don't ask the user to do anything.
Apr 17 21:28:56 <StingRay_> erm
Apr 17 21:28:59 <rburton-> spike|spiegel likewise, they are just hard as hell to design since we're stuck in this state of mind of "Label everything"
Apr 17 21:29:32 <StingRay_> a ui that dont ask anything of the user is a black screen
Apr 17 21:29:56 <StingRay_> equal in it's functions as it is in what it asks of the user
Apr 17 21:30:44 <rburton-> eh we don't mean implied asking we mean "To sign up click here"
Apr 17 21:31:04 <dahlmoony> I've lived next to a computer-guy thats worth like hundreds of millions, I wish I asked him for programming advice before he moved xD
Apr 17 21:31:24 <rburton-> he wouldn't give you much different advice than people here.
Apr 17 21:33:23 <benlieb> sometimes when I start an emulator, it does not 'bind' to eclipse, and can't be chosen to deploy to or push log messages to LogCat. Am I missing something?
Apr 17 21:34:01 <dahlmoony> rburton-: ye but I could have joined him in his apartment learning code if i wanted, but I wasnt interested:( he's the guy that made a iTunes kind of thing, Spotify. its HUGE in europe
Apr 17 21:34:28 <rburton-> could do that with a no name person as well :)
Apr 17 21:35:21 <speakingcode-wor> is there a way to intercept the software search button press event? i have a searchview widget in the action bar as an action view. I don't want to hook it up to any kind of search provider i just want to grab the users input when they hit search and pass it to another method call
Apr 17 21:35:55 <speakingcode-wor> the onSearchClick event listener is just for when the user clicks the small search icon when the view collapsed
Apr 17 21:35:56 <ali__> speakingcode-wor: then you should not use that widget
Apr 17 21:36:12 <speakingcode-wor> ali__ it is the look i want
Apr 17 21:36:32 <speakingcode-wor> it's stil a search function, but i don't intend to use it in that manner
Apr 17 21:37:02 <speakingcode-wor> i tried a simple edit text but it looks horrible
Apr 17 21:38:02 <speakingcode-wor> the SearchView expands the blue underline to the available space when it exapnds, and it shows the little magnifying glass on the text field
Apr 17 21:38:34 <speakingcode-wor> also it is easy to keep a hsitory of searches with this widget
Apr 17 21:38:41 <StingRay_> anyone need any fancy switches ?
Apr 17 21:38:58 <dahlmoony> rburton-come to think about it, ur right... but im thinking about the equity i could have recieved if i did it with him =D
Apr 17 21:39:02 <rburton-> I need to style my conversation thread so its nice
Apr 17 21:39:10 <StingRay_> I designed 1 yesterday, and obviously it changed that much that I have 3/4 distinct ones now
Apr 17 21:39:17 <g00s> StingRay_: rancy switches ?
Apr 17 21:39:19 <rburton-> dahlmoony missed moments are painful :)
Apr 17 21:39:19 <StingRay_> 3-4
Apr 17 21:39:20 <g00s> *fancy
Apr 17 21:39:33 <StingRay_> yeah
Apr 17 21:39:45 <rburton-> I just elect to do what makes me happy
Apr 17 21:39:45 <dahlmoony> rburton- yes!:)
Apr 17 21:39:55 <StingRay_> fancy as in erm…. nice + bells etc
Apr 17 21:40:06 <rburton-> I found out if you're not working and 'living like a millionaire' you wont be any happier
Apr 17 21:41:08 <dahlmoony> progress=happiness. reaching the goal=a moment of happiness and then "whats next?"
Apr 17 21:41:16 <rburton-> basically
Apr 17 21:41:27 <rburton-> Its the war that feels good not the victory since its short lived
Apr 17 21:42:51 <dahlmoony> good analogy
Apr 17 21:43:50 <dahlmoony> what does .printStackTrace(); do? :)
Apr 17 21:44:03 <Groxx> can someone help me diagnose a problem?  If I add an unused, any-filename, any-contents layout XML file, one of my drawables stops working.  Adding another XML file fixes it.
Apr 17 21:44:24 <rburton-> dahlmoony ##java will help with such questions you may get some BS from some of the folks there
Apr 17 21:44:36 <rburton-> I know a bunch of them so I know how they're react, but you'll get an answer
Apr 17 21:44:47 <dahlmoony> oh ok :)
Apr 17 21:46:55 <rburton-> Tell them that rburton sent you
Apr 17 21:47:21 <evan> Groxx: er, what? try cleaning your project after you add that file, maybe?
Apr 17 21:47:33 <evan> Groxx: or give us more information because that makes no sense, haha
Apr 17 21:47:40 <Groxx> Cleaned, manually deleted build files, rebooted, everything.  and yeah, makes no sense to me either :)
Apr 17 21:48:16 <evan> Groxx: pastebin some of it? like, what is the drawable?
Apr 17 21:48:35 <Groxx> I've been experimenting a *lot*.  It's reproducible on two coworker's machines, and only afflicts our 2.3.6 devices (no other 2.x versions), not 4.x
Apr 17 21:48:59 <Groxx> the drawable is identical to a few other drawables, except for different colors, which are part of the R file that's generated
Apr 17 21:49:05 <Groxx> and they're all working
Apr 17 21:49:35 <Groxx> rotating (probably any config change, but I haven't tried others) fixes it in that app-instance.  until then, *all* instances of the drawable don't work, afterward *all* work.
Apr 17 21:49:36 <evan> what's the filename in question? anything strange? can you make a test case? (a "Hello, world!" app which reproduces it)
Apr 17 21:49:36 <rburton-> The moment a Unit tests tells you this works and you still have an issue means the problem is happening somewhere else dang
Apr 17 21:49:56 <Groxx> I've been trying to reduce it further :(
Apr 17 21:50:06 <rburton-> false means a bad unit test ;)
Apr 17 21:50:12 * rburton- grabs his shovel and starts digging
Apr 17 21:50:41 <Groxx> filename in question is "rounded_teal_button_normal" - there's also "_pressed" and "_disabled" which are working. even more interestingly: changing the filename to "_nrml" doesn't fix things, but changing it to "_zzz" causes the normal state to draw correctly, but not the pressed state.
Apr 17 21:51:02 <rburton-> when you get lazy... throw new RuntimeException(e);
Apr 17 21:51:02 <rburton-> ;)
Apr 17 21:51:05 <evan> Groxx: ... wat.
Apr 17 21:51:09 <Groxx> yeah.
Apr 17 21:51:57 <Groxx> I'm honestly suspecting it's something along the compilation / apk build process, since it's file-number and file-*order* sensitive, and doesn't appear to be related to anything else.
Apr 17 21:52:35 <Groxx> changing the button's drawable to another one works fine, and changing other drawables to the rounded_teal_button_normal breaks it anywhere.
Apr 17 21:53:49 <Groxx> or maybe there's a garbage character / bad XML somewhere else that Eclipse isn't telling me about - if the files are concatenated during the build, it could manifest like this, but I don't know the build process well enough to figure things out more.
Apr 17 21:54:03 <Groxx> or if that even happens
Apr 17 21:56:28 <lov> Groxx: just a suggestion but you might want to set the button's background drawable instead of the drawable
Apr 17 21:56:57 <Groxx> I believe it is (and i've just been omitting 'background' out of laziness) - let me double check
Apr 17 21:57:11 <P3nnyw1se> hey I have a question about 'good programming' .. I've been using a viewPager in portrait mode which uses a FragmentPagerAdapter
Apr 17 21:57:37 <P3nnyw1se> now.. in portrait I want it to be able to slide through 5 fragments.. in landscape 4.. so my solution was to make 'FragmentPagerAdapter2' and use if in landscape mode
Apr 17 21:57:52 <P3nnyw1se> I can't seem to dynamically change how many fragments one adapter should have
Apr 17 21:57:57 <P3nnyw1se> is this a bad solution ?
Apr 17 21:58:20 <evan> P3nnyw1se: yes
Apr 17 21:58:32 <evan> use resources to set the max
Apr 17 21:58:53 <P3nnyw1se> the adapter has a switch statement
Apr 17 21:58:57 <evan> values/ints.xml -> max_fragments = 5   values-land/ints.xml -> max_fragments = 4
Apr 17 21:59:06 <P3nnyw1se> huh
Apr 17 21:59:10 <P3nnyw1se> hmmm
Apr 17 21:59:26 <P3nnyw1se> but that doesn't remove it from the switch satement in the adapter though
Apr 17 21:59:34 <evan> why would you need to
Apr 17 21:59:36 <P3nnyw1se> it still has case 5: return 'portraitOnly'
Apr 17 21:59:44 <coco89> Hey guys my JSON output is now like this http://pastebin.com/RNuBPyzX . I need to use data.getJSONArray(?)  but it's asking for a string. I haven't named my array, what can i put for the parameter?
Apr 17 21:59:46 <evan> just return max_fragments from getCount()
Apr 17 21:59:55 <P3nnyw1se> because I have buttons for each fragment aswell :P
Apr 17 22:00:12 <evan> P3nnyw1se: sounds like you'll need different layouts too, then
Apr 17 22:00:30 <P3nnyw1se> I do though have a landscape and a portrait layout
Apr 17 22:00:43 <evan> I fail to see the problem, then
Apr 17 22:00:58 <P3nnyw1se> well I had no idea about the max fragments hmm
Apr 17 22:01:10 <evan> what did you think getCount() did? :P
Apr 17 22:01:30 <P3nnyw1se> well in the getCount I kinda just wrote the number of fragments I was handling
Apr 17 22:01:32 <P3nnyw1se> following the guide :)
Apr 17 22:01:51 <Groxx> lov: and evan: https://gist.github.com/Groxx/d8c115f7432f7fcd5ba4 are the main files in question
Apr 17 22:01:57 <P3nnyw1se> so let me get it abc please
Apr 17 22:02:02 <P3nnyw1se> argh.. doorbell
Apr 17 22:02:08 <lov> doorknob
Apr 17 22:02:19 <StingRay_> xorgate: you around ?
Apr 17 22:03:46 <xorgate> yeah
Apr 17 22:03:56 <xorgate> sup
Apr 17 22:03:57 <StingRay_> you did the wiki word thing ?
Apr 17 22:04:03 <xorgate> yeah
Apr 17 22:04:10 <StingRay_> like having the board up top
Apr 17 22:04:13 <StingRay_> AND
Apr 17 22:04:17 <xorgate> \o
Apr 17 22:04:28 <monsti> is there a glass dev chan?
Apr 17 22:04:29 <xorgate> made $4.15 yesterday :)
Apr 17 22:04:31 <bankai_> coco89: you'll need to name your array, the string is a 'key' no doubt
Apr 17 22:04:38 <StingRay_> you still not killed the pizza thing :)
Apr 17 22:04:43 <StingRay_> do you seriously like that ?
Apr 17 22:04:44 <monsti> xorgate: wow you become rich one day ;)
Apr 17 22:04:57 <xorgate> StingRay_ no i dont particularly like it but i lack designers
Apr 17 22:05:42 <StingRay_> oh and I would kill the listView BG
Apr 17 22:05:49 <P3nnyw1se> oh lol
Apr 17 22:05:54 <StingRay_> seems dirty and very odd when you scroll
Apr 17 22:05:58 <P3nnyw1se> values-land ofc
Apr 17 22:06:04 <coco89> bankai_, ah I see
Apr 17 22:06:24 <xorgate> monsti true, its getting more each dya
Apr 17 22:06:42 <xorgate> in the games>puzzles>best-new-free i'm #295 :)
Apr 17 22:06:46 <monsti> one dollar a day
Apr 17 22:07:02 <xorgate> StingRay_ which listview?
Apr 17 22:07:08 <StingRay_> search results
Apr 17 22:07:26 <monsti> well ... 75 years * 365 days * 1 dollar = about $26000 ;)
Apr 17 22:07:34 <StingRay_> like some1 ate the pizza, then puked it up, and then the puke got covered in charcoal
Apr 17 22:07:41 <Groxx> bleh.  this webchat isn't staying scrolled-down :(  I'll brb.
Apr 17 22:07:43 <monsti> xorgate: so one day you can buy your own server xDDDD
Apr 17 22:08:02 <xorgate> the goodthing is that i have a passive income stream
Apr 17 22:08:17 <xorgate> StingRay_ yes very subtle thanks ;)
Apr 17 22:08:24 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 22:08:59 <xorgate> monsti more like every day income is 10 cent more than previous day
Apr 17 22:10:09 <xorgate> gotta say it's very cool, i put analytics in and at this moment 10 ppl are playing
Apr 17 22:10:20 <StingRay_> I'm 1
Apr 17 22:10:25 <StingRay_> so 9 real people
Apr 17 22:10:26 <xorgate> let's see
Apr 17 22:10:44 <xorgate> US ?
Apr 17 22:10:46 <StingRay_> UK
Apr 17 22:11:06 <monsti> only euros ;)
Apr 17 22:11:20 <xorgate> daventry? is that uk
Apr 17 22:11:24 <StingRay_> yes
Apr 17 22:11:27 <StingRay_> but thats no me
Apr 17 22:11:33 <StingRay_> well it's close
Apr 17 22:11:34 <P3nnyw1se> 10 cent more than the previous day!?
Apr 17 22:11:39 <rburton-> Yes, finally fixed my issue
Apr 17 22:11:41 <rburton-> Unit Tests++
Apr 17 22:11:43 <StingRay_> but would not expect my node to be there
Apr 17 22:11:43 <P3nnyw1se> then in 2051 you can buy an icecream ;)
Apr 17 22:11:56 <rburton-> in 2051 you won't need to eat anymore :)
Apr 17 22:12:38 <xorgate> StingRay_ anyway i appreciate the input very much
Apr 17 22:12:50 <StingRay_> I have 3 more points :)
Apr 17 22:12:55 <xorgate> sure lets hear em
Apr 17 22:13:04 <StingRay_> think I mentioned some already
Apr 17 22:13:10 <xorgate> telford
Apr 17 22:13:16 <StingRay_> nope
Apr 17 22:13:20 <StingRay_> but thats close
Apr 17 22:13:22 <StingRay_> ish
Apr 17 22:13:25 <groxx> there we go - don't suppose I missed anything while afk?
Apr 17 22:13:54 <StingRay_> 1. pizzar background changed to be just color
Apr 17 22:13:58 <rburton-> groxx Yes I solved my problem. Pop open the wine
Apr 17 22:14:01 <rburton-> box wine that is
Apr 17 22:14:08 <StingRay_> 2. listView BG is a bit dirty, solid would be better
Apr 17 22:14:25 <rburton-> box wine yumm!
Apr 17 22:14:30 <StingRay_> 3. the listView has no top indicator to say, there is more content "if" the user scrolls
Apr 17 22:14:37 <groxx> rburton- woo! congrats.  I could probably use some alcohol for my problem :|
Apr 17 22:14:42 <rburton-> hehe
Apr 17 22:14:57 <StingRay_> 4. the word highlighting is still clipping letters, needs to be few px wider
Apr 17 22:15:09 <StingRay_> as always, just my personal take on it :)
Apr 17 22:16:13 <xorgate> hm just found a bug i thought i fixed
Apr 17 22:16:34 <StingRay_> I also have a few polish points too… to try / add as better visual options…..but I'll shuttup now
Apr 17 22:17:26 <dahlmoony> do anyone know why Interrupted Exception is like error som somthing?
Apr 17 22:17:27 <dahlmoony> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5717212/
Apr 17 22:17:41 <xorgate> StingRay_ no no go on :)
Apr 17 22:17:49 <rburton-> You mean checked exception
Apr 17 22:18:03 <xorgate> cardiff
Apr 17 22:18:04 <rburton-> dahlmoony read up on checked vs unchecked exceptions. e.g., NullPointerException vs FileNotFoundException
Apr 17 22:18:07 <xorgate> northampton
Apr 17 22:18:10 <StingRay_> 1. I would look at more view/section seperation
Apr 17 22:18:18 <StingRay_> xorgate: within 10 miles
Apr 17 22:18:21 <StingRay_> so maybe
Apr 17 22:18:24 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 22:18:32 <xorgate> it matters not
Apr 17 22:18:39 <xorgate> what do you mean at 1. ?
Apr 17 22:18:47 <StingRay_> ask me in a second
Apr 17 22:18:57 <xorgate> *chugs more beer*
Apr 17 22:19:13 <rburton-> xorgate that's not beer you know it!
Apr 17 22:19:19 <rburton-> Just because piss is cold, doesn't make it beer.
Apr 17 22:19:22 <StingRay_> 2. maybe introduce different styles of boards, as in not just pure white, grid , glossy etc
Apr 17 22:19:39 <groxx> guess I'll try another request for help: adding a layout XML file breaks one of my drawables in 2.3.6, adding a second fixes it.  changing the drawable's filename so it sorts differently alphabetically causes it to draw correctly, but the one that takes its place breaks.  I've tried a lot to narrow it down, and I'm largely out of ideas and don't know the build process well enough to debug further - any ideas / suggestions / ?
Apr 17 22:20:02 <StingRay_> 3. have a better word list "found" visual event
Apr 17 22:20:18 <P3nnyw1se> have you ever.. ever felt like this.. have strange things happening, are you going aruond the twist
Apr 17 22:20:26 <xorgate> P3nnyw1se ugh that show
Apr 17 22:20:27 <StingRay_> 4. correct the aspect of board in landscape
Apr 17 22:20:31 <P3nnyw1se> :D
Apr 17 22:20:48 <StingRay_> thats about it off-hand
Apr 17 22:20:51 <xorgate> sting i agree with that
Apr 17 22:21:06 <xorgate> but maybe for 4) most people don't really care
Apr 17 22:21:07 <StingRay_> I actually prefer 2 tone seperators too
Apr 17 22:21:16 <xorgate> it's very tricky considering all the different devices
Apr 17 22:21:37 <xorgate> i was thinking about having visual feedback for when a word is found
Apr 17 22:21:44 <StingRay_> oh and by 1 I mean :
Apr 17 22:22:16 <dahlmoony> did anyone just reply? DCed :P
Apr 17 22:22:45 <StingRay_> in all the activites, the sections of the activity, advert, wordlist, search results, board etc  I think even a 2 pixel divide would be nice
Apr 17 22:22:59 <StingRay_> as in the high tone low tone
Apr 17 22:23:10 <StingRay_> give it an edge appearance maybe
Apr 17 22:23:21 <StingRay_> that what I mean by seperation
Apr 17 22:24:10 <dahlmoony> Unreachable catch block must mean I have to define catch in try block? :)
Apr 17 22:24:12 <StingRay_> most of the time you want some kind of physical feel to ui elements, specially if grounded in real world influences
Apr 17 22:24:43 <xorgate> StingRay_ that's a bit gibberish to me.. high tone low tone?
Apr 17 22:24:49 <StingRay_> hang on
Apr 17 22:24:58 <groxx> xorgate I think like this: http://cl.ly/image/1j2B0d0Q0k29
Apr 17 22:24:58 * xorgate chugs more beer
Apr 17 22:25:31 <groxx> two-tone separators are great.
Apr 17 22:25:38 <xorgate> oh like that
Apr 17 22:25:42 <xorgate> like an indent thingy
Apr 17 22:25:45 <groxx> yep
Apr 17 22:26:08 <StingRay_> xorgate: gonna show you something with a toatally diff style
Apr 17 22:26:12 <StingRay_> but… same idea
Apr 17 22:27:26 <StingRay_> xorgate: this is a mash of things atm cause doing a color theme system things… but
Apr 17 22:27:28 <StingRay_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80096154/Screenshot_2013-04-17-23-25-21.png
Apr 17 22:27:46 <StingRay_> I've made the divider bigger so you can see
Apr 17 22:27:57 <xorgate> ok yes
Apr 17 22:28:00 <StingRay_> normally they would be 1+1 pixel
Apr 17 22:28:11 <StingRay_> those are like 3+3 cause wanted to show you
Apr 17 22:28:30 <xorgate> like someone carved a little trench
Apr 17 22:28:33 <StingRay_> 1 tone lighter, 1 darker
Apr 17 22:28:37 <StingRay_> well yes
Apr 17 22:28:39 <StingRay_> but
Apr 17 22:28:49 <StingRay_> use one at the top (the lighter 1)
Apr 17 22:28:58 <StingRay_> and one at the bottom (darker)
Apr 17 22:29:15 <StingRay_> that create a view seperation that is not simply collision of absolute color
Apr 17 22:30:57 <xorgate> collision of absolute color
Apr 17 22:31:03 <xorgate> meaning WHITE > BLACK
Apr 17 22:31:06 <xorgate> ?
Apr 17 22:31:16 <StingRay_> no, just any solid to any solid
Apr 17 22:31:21 <xorgate> yeah ok
Apr 17 22:31:30 <StingRay_> sell if you go the complete FLAT design route thats ok
Apr 17 22:31:57 <StingRay_> as I say both android OS and google apps are a miss-match of that
Apr 17 22:32:46 <StingRay_> just most of the time, you never see absolutes collide, there is always some transition that says "this is ending"
Apr 17 22:32:52 <StingRay_> "this is starting"
Apr 17 22:33:03 <StingRay_> I'm talking about real world observations btw
Apr 17 22:33:05 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 17 22:33:15 <StingRay_> but like I say, style choice really
Apr 17 22:34:43 <xorgate> yeah thats cool
Apr 17 22:34:52 <xorgate> i'm just oblivious to most of these things
Apr 17 22:35:04 <GlitchNZ> Which Class(es) would I use to verify an RSA Signature?
Apr 17 22:35:22 <maslen> Is there any networking API in Java that doesn't use many other packages?
Apr 17 22:39:09 <P3nnyw1se> FOREVER Young..
Apr 17 22:39:17 <P3nnyw1se> 'the old song'
Apr 17 22:39:31 <groxx> GlitchNZ this looks promising: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9219966/how-to-do-verify-using-java-security-signature
Apr 17 22:39:44 <xorgate> P3nnyw1se i never quite 'got' around the twist.. it has this weird vibe
Apr 17 22:40:06 <xorgate> i remember this ep where there were a lot of seagulls
Apr 17 22:42:34 <P3nnyw1se> I remember one episode where the guy .. yes guy... got pregnant.. with a tree
Apr 17 22:43:32 <groxx> anyone have suggestions for ways to debug the build-compilation process?  Not java specifically, but something around asset packaging most likely.
Apr 17 22:44:48 <P3nnyw1se> logcat doesn't tell anything ?
Apr 17 22:45:03 <xorgate> StingRay_ got any apps in the store?
Apr 17 22:47:54 <GlitchNZ> groxx: thanks, I had just found a solution: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5705996/verifying-a-digital-signature-produced-by-c-sharp-on-an-android-device - Looks similar
Apr 17 22:48:43 <GlitchNZ> Note: I am NOT using C#
Apr 17 22:48:58 <GlitchNZ> Just felt I had to make that clear for some reason
Apr 17 22:49:09 <StingRay_> xorgate: negative….. at my current rate, I think my app will be released in 2050 ish
Apr 17 22:49:23 <StingRay_> about the same time your gonna be able to buy an icecream
Apr 17 22:49:25 <xorgate> StingRay_ whats taking so long
Apr 17 22:49:31 <StingRay_> me
Apr 17 22:49:35 <xorgate> actually i already bought a few icecreams
Apr 17 22:49:44 <StingRay_> it's all my fault
Apr 17 22:49:48 <xorgate> dunno what icecream is in the US
Apr 17 22:49:58 <maslen> yummy
Apr 17 22:50:07 <xorgate> 110% sugar i'm sure
Apr 17 22:50:19 <xorgate> but $4 buys an icecream i would hope
Apr 17 22:50:25 <StingRay_> I'm a designer, which means we just piss around all day making things look better/trying new things
Apr 17 22:50:31 <StingRay_> I need to stop it really
Apr 17 22:50:44 <StingRay_> I made 4+ nice switches
Apr 17 22:50:48 <xorgate> StingRay_ i made a conscious decision to focus on releasing vs making it look perfect
Apr 17 22:51:12 <StingRay_> see for 17 years in film/games I've thought the opposite
Apr 17 22:51:16 <StingRay_> hard habit to break
Apr 17 22:51:37 <bankai_> ahh you work for EA ? hehe ;)
Apr 17 22:52:00 <StingRay_> I think I trained a group of artists from EA chertsy once
Apr 17 22:52:11 <StingRay_> but no, never worked for EA directly
Apr 17 22:52:15 <StingRay_> indirect yes
Apr 17 22:52:21 <StingRay_> on battlefield
Apr 17 22:52:32 <StingRay_> not a fan of EA though
Apr 17 22:52:39 <leslie> who is?
Apr 17 22:52:49 <StingRay_> some studios are good
Apr 17 22:52:57 <StingRay_> some, not so much
Apr 17 22:53:07 <leslie> I've heard Rockstar are good
Apr 17 22:53:24 <StingRay_> never really had a chance to work for them
Apr 17 22:53:28 <Quacked> HTML is: Antall funnet <b>209</b> , and I'm trying doc.toString().indexOf("Antall funnet <b>"); to get the index. Do I have to escape the < > ?
Apr 17 22:53:34 <leslie> friend of mine does
Apr 17 22:53:36 <StingRay_> they dont use my skillz
Apr 17 22:53:48 <StingRay_> I have trained a few students that work there
Apr 17 22:54:00 <leslie> the Scotland offices
Apr 17 22:54:07 <StingRay_> ya
Apr 17 22:54:11 <StingRay_> they are in leeds too
Apr 17 22:54:33 <StingRay_> they are (the brothers) arrogant though
Apr 17 22:54:50 <StingRay_> I was at games .biz awards, they won a few
Apr 17 22:55:02 <xorgate> Quacked i assume you don't get the result you expect. I would expect no need for escaping
Apr 17 22:55:06 <StingRay_> and they are not the most humble of people
Apr 17 22:55:28 <P3nnyw1se> Ubisoft.. the mother of all crap gaming companies
Apr 17 22:55:48 <StingRay_> you mean publishers
Apr 17 22:56:09 <StingRay_> Ubisoft ******* with no studios is just a HQ in france
Apr 17 22:56:17 <P3nnyw1se> my last 3 experiences with ubisoft.. were heroes 5, 6 and Settlers
Apr 17 22:56:32 <Quacked> xorgate: if I do without the <b> I get an int of 7xxx, but if I include the <b> I get -1
Apr 17 22:56:34 <StingRay_> I dont really play games :(
Apr 17 22:56:34 <P3nnyw1se> heroes 5 have a bug that makes multiplayer with computers last hours.. never been fixed
Apr 17 22:56:51 <P3nnyw1se> heroes 6.. was released with 'more' bugs than the beta test.. this was confirmed
Apr 17 22:57:12 * maslen has had really good experiences with games by Blizzard
Apr 17 22:57:16 <P3nnyw1se> I bought settlers through steam.. couldn't play it.. it lagged like crazy and I have a powerfull computer
Apr 17 22:57:21 <maslen> WC3/D2 come to mind
Apr 17 22:57:31 <P3nnyw1se> steam refunded.. told me that apperently settlers didn't support my videocard
Apr 17 22:57:40 <P3nnyw1se> I have an ATI RADEON HD6970
Apr 17 22:57:48 <oGMo> wow, steam issuing a refund?
Apr 17 22:57:50 <P3nnyw1se> like 50% of all gamers
Apr 17 22:57:51 <oGMo> heh
Apr 17 22:57:52 <P3nnyw1se> in the world
Apr 17 22:57:55 <P3nnyw1se> I have that GFX card
Apr 17 22:57:58 <P3nnyw1se> and settlers didn't support
Apr 17 22:58:07 <Quacked> xorgate: and this is directly copied from html source: b></b> Antall funnet <b>153</b><form method="post"
Apr 17 22:58:19 <P3nnyw1se> ogmo they had recived so many complaints about that ubisoft release
Apr 17 22:58:22 <P3nnyw1se> so they decided to refund
Apr 17 22:58:30 <xorgate> Quacked .. i dunno
Apr 17 22:58:35 <P3nnyw1se> guess what.. the game dissapeared on my list..but I still had it on my computer.. and was able to play it
Apr 17 22:58:40 <P3nnyw1se> being the nice guy I am.. I wrote steam
Apr 17 22:58:48 <P3nnyw1se> 'you know I can still play the game I refunded on my computer'
Apr 17 22:58:56 <P3nnyw1se> and they wrote me back 'the right thing to do would be to delete it'
Apr 17 22:59:12 <oGMo> the not dumb thing to do would be not to email them
Apr 17 22:59:18 <oGMo> and still delete it
Apr 17 22:59:31 <oGMo> though they aren't super ban-happy, but stil
Apr 17 22:59:37 <P3nnyw1se> ban happy ?
Apr 17 22:59:47 <P3nnyw1se> I had a game refunded and it was already installed
Apr 17 22:59:57 <P3nnyw1se> they gonna ban me for not being able to cleanup their own messd ?
Apr 17 23:00:27 <oGMo> we're not talking about blizzard or EA so doubtful
Apr 17 23:00:54 <P3nnyw1se> Steam is different maybe I've just been lucky but they seem generally interested in keeping their customers
Apr 17 23:00:56 <oGMo> anyway .. this is so offtopic heh
Apr 17 23:00:59 <P3nnyw1se> I mean they do kinda rely on good rep.
Apr 17 23:01:09 <oGMo> P3nnyw1se: yes, valve is good
Apr 17 23:01:29 <dahlmoony> Can someone help me do my first app? I must understand what to do about "Unreachable catch block for InterruptedException" in "catch"
Apr 17 23:01:33 <oGMo> i do wish they'd make their android app a bit more featureful
Apr 17 23:02:05 <P3nnyw1se> something is wrong with your try/catch statement
Apr 17 23:02:32 <Quacked> xorgate: ok, thanks
Apr 17 23:02:32 <dahlmoony> would you mind taking a look?
Apr 17 23:02:43 <P3nnyw1se> sure post it on pastebin
Apr 17 23:02:44 <oGMo> use pastie for the code and post a link
Apr 17 23:02:45 <P3nnyw1se> and link it here
Apr 17 23:02:46 <sonOfRa> dahlmoony, you wrote a catch block that cannot be reached probably. Meaning, your try block cannot throw an InterruptedException. But without the code, this is just guessing
Apr 17 23:03:18 <evan> dahlmoony: this is more of a ##java question
Apr 17 23:03:47 <Quacked> xorgate: I'll just find the indexOf the clean text and count :)
Apr 17 23:03:49 <dahlmoony> http://pastebin.com/mkrRyKr4
Apr 17 23:03:57 <dahlmoony> the guys in ##java said "ask android-dev"
Apr 17 23:04:17 <oGMo> heh
Apr 17 23:04:46 <P3nnyw1se> whats up with all you people loving the 'finally' :D
Apr 17 23:04:53 <oGMo> it's ##java what do you want, intelligence?
Apr 17 23:05:02 <oGMo> also, terrible indenting :p
Apr 17 23:05:08 <P3nnyw1se> dahlmoony
Apr 17 23:05:18 <P3nnyw1se> why are you starting the activity in a thread ?
Apr 17 23:05:27 <sonOfRa> the separation between ##java and #android-dev is pretty much always that there are subtle but meaningful differences on how some things are handled
Apr 17 23:05:45 <evan> dahlmoony: sadly I think what's going on here is that no one is interested in teaching programming 101 :/
Apr 17 23:06:31 <maslen> There are also very big differences in what people in the channel are usually trying to do.
Apr 17 23:06:44 <dahlmoony> P3nnyw1se I don't know, is it not good?
Apr 17 23:06:58 <P3nnyw1se> you wrote the code right ?
Apr 17 23:07:21 <P3nnyw1se> let me guess
Apr 17 23:07:24 <P3nnyw1se> 4th semester ?
Apr 17 23:07:29 <P3nnyw1se> computer science ?
Apr 17 23:07:30 <P3nnyw1se> :)
Apr 17 23:07:47 <dahlmoony> im doing a guide :)
Apr 17 23:07:47 <P3nnyw1se> exercise make a splash screen for 5 seconds then move on to other activity ?
Apr 17 23:08:02 <dahlmoony> yes thats what i wanna do
Apr 17 23:08:10 <dahlmoony> i wanna have a picture of my apps logo
Apr 17 23:08:19 <dahlmoony> like the facebook app
Apr 17 23:08:23 <bankai_> splash screens? really? :S
Apr 17 23:08:48 <P3nnyw1se> you don't have to use threads with activities
Apr 17 23:08:51 <P3nnyw1se> not like that at least
Apr 17 23:08:56 <Quacked> what you people think about the new FB messenger?
Apr 17 23:09:59 <P3nnyw1se> anwyays
Apr 17 23:10:01 <P3nnyw1se> dahlmoony
Apr 17 23:10:04 <sonOfRa> haven't tried it, I'm quite happy with Xabber
Apr 17 23:10:06 <P3nnyw1se> try not changing anything at all
Apr 17 23:10:09 <P3nnyw1se> except..
Apr 17 23:10:51 <P3nnyw1se> remove logotimer.start();
Apr 17 23:10:54 <P3nnyw1se> and just add .start();
Apr 17 23:10:57 <dahlmoony> ok so I can do sleep(5000) stuff without Thread logoTimer?
Apr 17 23:11:04 <Quacked> I was positively surprised by it
Apr 17 23:11:11 <P3nnyw1se> try keeping what you have.. but remove the logoTimer.start();
Apr 17 23:11:15 <P3nnyw1se> and just keep .start();
Apr 17 23:11:17 <Quacked> how well those profile icons worked
Apr 17 23:11:58 <P3nnyw1se> dahlmoony.. a few thinsg
Apr 17 23:12:18 <P3nnyw1se> just a sec
Apr 17 23:12:23 <evan> dahlmoony: also don't use Threads for this.
Apr 17 23:13:11 <P3nnyw1se> ahhhhh
Apr 17 23:13:14 <P3nnyw1se> I see the issue
Apr 17 23:13:47 <P3nnyw1se>             finally{finish();      } }};
Apr 17 23:13:49 <P3nnyw1se> youn write this
Apr 17 23:15:11 <dahlmoony> it did not enjoy me removing logTimer from .start
Apr 17 23:15:34 <P3nnyw1se> here
Apr 17 23:15:35 <P3nnyw1se> http://pastebin.com/piWJVq59
Apr 17 23:15:38 <P3nnyw1se> do this instead
Apr 17 23:15:39 <evan> dahlmoony: it's a tiny bit more complicated than that
Apr 17 23:15:39 <P3nnyw1se> I changed a little
Apr 17 23:15:48 <P3nnyw1se> you have errors in your bottom lines
Apr 17 23:15:59 <evan> P3nnyw1se: stop encouraging using a Thread for this ಠ_ಠ
Apr 17 23:16:20 <P3nnyw1se> evan I have no clue what he is doing.. but :) I was told to use thread for this aswell by my teacher
Apr 17 23:16:23 <P3nnyw1se> 3 months ago
Apr 17 23:16:27 <P3nnyw1se> exact same exercise
Apr 17 23:16:35 <evan> P3nnyw1se: tell your teacher that they're wrong
Apr 17 23:16:47 <StingRay_> and should not be teaching
Apr 17 23:17:01 <P3nnyw1se> I'm just fixing what he gives
Apr 17 23:17:07 <P3nnyw1se> nothing else :)
Apr 17 23:17:10 <StingRay_> then he is not learning
Apr 17 23:17:11 <evan> P3nnyw1se: you're polishing his turd :)
Apr 17 23:17:17 <StingRay_> at the expence of your vanity ;)
Apr 17 23:17:29 <P3nnyw1se> lets 'assume' in this crazy world we all have preferences
Apr 17 23:17:36 <P3nnyw1se> of whats the 'right' way to program ;)
Apr 17 23:17:40 <evan> this isn't really a preference :/
Apr 17 23:17:46 <P3nnyw1se> using threads is not a preference ?
Apr 17 23:18:04 <uragano2> Hello, i have a listview and for each row i have a "preferences button". I need a preference screen for each of them. How can i do it? thanks
Apr 17 23:18:33 <P3nnyw1se> uragano so you want it to switch activities when they hit the button ?
Apr 17 23:19:02 <Chainfire> Point and laugh time. It appears DST is summer time, not winter time, as I have thought for dozens of years. Also, that's two hours trying to find a bug that wasn't actually in the code.
Apr 17 23:19:31 <dahlmoony> P3nnyw1se now a couple of "}" is error down there, is that bad?
Apr 17 23:19:32 <evan> P3nnyw1se: http://pastebin.com/d7YqQeBY <-
Apr 17 23:20:00 <P3nnyw1se> haha dahlmoony.. yeah thats bad. probably means I forgot a } somewhere
Apr 17 23:20:34 <P3nnyw1se> hmm dont see it in the code I pasted
Apr 17 23:20:37 <uragano2> Yes, i already open an activity when they hit a button! but when i change a preference from a button, it changes for all preferences. Sorry, i didn't say that alla the listview item has the same preferences, but them should be different each other
Apr 17 23:20:39 <P3nnyw1se> you sure you wrote everything like that ?
Apr 17 23:20:56 <dahlmoony> i copied yours
Apr 17 23:21:04 <StingRay_> P3nnyw1se: dahlmoony   look at what evan just pasted
Apr 17 23:21:08 <dahlmoony> okai
Apr 17 23:21:15 <StingRay_> uses a thread to wait and posts to the main to run
Apr 17 23:21:19 <StingRay_> job done
Apr 17 23:21:42 <evan> dahlmoony: stop.
Apr 17 23:21:49 <P3nnyw1se> in the NAAAME OF LOVE!
Apr 17 23:22:08 <coco89> Hey guys is it possible to do a HTTPPost right before a HTTPGet?
Apr 17 23:22:19 <evan> dahlmoony: don't just look at what I pasted. Read it. Read it again. Think about it. Think about it again. Read it more. If you understand why it works, you're done. Otherwise, GOTO 10
Apr 17 23:22:40 <P3nnyw1se> Dahlmoony you dont have to understand anything I write you
Apr 17 23:22:43 <dahlmoony> yes I agree, I'm trying to understand what it does
Apr 17 23:22:44 <P3nnyw1se> and as such I'm much faster than evan
Apr 17 23:22:45 <P3nnyw1se> :D
Apr 17 23:22:53 <dahlmoony> lol :D
Apr 17 23:23:22 <evan> dahlmoony: in the future, just /msg P3nnyw1se every question you have
Apr 17 23:23:30 <dahlmoony> ^_^
Apr 17 23:23:30 <rakl> hey all, i'm working on my first android app through phonegap/cordova, and am running into something that I can't figure out….
Apr 17 23:23:31 <P3nnyw1se> ey
Apr 17 23:23:34 <P3nnyw1se> lets talk about this....
Apr 17 23:23:34 <evan> he's more than willing to help and you don't need to bother the rest of us.
Apr 17 23:23:42 <rakl> what does clearing an application's cached data do?
Apr 17 23:24:00 <P3nnyw1se> :D rakl
Apr 17 23:24:02 <coco89> If I do a HTTPPost right before a HTTPGet what would I execute and put in the HTTPResponse? Just the get?
Apr 17 23:24:16 <rakl> 2 identical requests, one before clearing cache and one after… the first succeeds and the second fails
Apr 17 23:24:24 <evan> coco89: er, what?
Apr 17 23:24:45 <rakl> I can make the same request in a regular browser which has no session data or anything..
Apr 17 23:25:24 <f2prateek_> coco89: why would it not be? They're independent of each other.
Apr 17 23:25:34 <coco89> evan, to do a HttpPost you need to execute it like this right? HttpResponse response = httpClient.execute(httpPost); But you need to do a similar thing with HttpGet
Apr 17 23:25:46 <evan> of course
Apr 17 23:25:55 <dahlmoony> evan: where in the code did u tell it that 5000 means runtime?
Apr 17 23:26:06 <evan> dahlmoony: ctrl+f -> "5000"
Apr 17 23:26:16 <coco89> evan, so I can have response = httpClient.execute(httpPost) AND response = httpClient.execute(get) ?
Apr 17 23:26:25 <evan> coco89: yes, of course
Apr 17 23:26:38 <coco89> oh.. :S
Apr 17 23:26:46 <evan> coco89: you can do String foo = "bar"; foo = "baz"; <-- and foo will only have "baz"
Apr 17 23:27:09 <coco89> evan, so then foo = "bar" was redundant ?
Apr 17 23:27:26 <evan> coco89: if that was the only code you had, yes. It was wasteful
Apr 17 23:27:45 <evan> if you're processing the POST response before you make the GET, then no, it's not a problem
Apr 17 23:28:23 <coco89> evan, I just need the post to post some variables and the get to get the json output and parse it
Apr 17 23:28:34 <coco89> evan, do i really need a response from post?
Apr 17 23:28:44 <evan> coco89: I don't know, you tell me
Apr 17 23:29:12 <coco89> evan, I don't think I need a reponse from post because Get handles it right?
Apr 17 23:29:42 <evan> coco89: if you're not looking at the response from your POST, then no, you don't need it
Apr 17 23:29:55 <evan> but assigning it to a variable and redefining that variable later won't matter
Apr 17 23:30:38 <evan> coco89: there's nothing wrong with doing response = execute(httpPost); response = execute(httpGet); processResponse(response /* this will be the GET response */);
Apr 17 23:32:16 <coco89> evan, I see, so what is the difference between getting the response from a HttpPost and just a simple httpGet?
Apr 17 23:32:23 <coco89> apart frmo the fact that
Apr 17 23:32:26 <coco89> you can post variables
Apr 17 23:32:29 <dahlmoony> evan friend-o, what should i define here, an activity or something? startActivity(new Intent("CHRISBROWN"));
Apr 17 23:33:03 <dahlmoony> or reference to
Apr 17 23:34:05 <evan> dahlmoony: your question does not make sense
Apr 17 23:34:21 <evan> coco89: there isn't a difference
Apr 17 23:34:49 <dahlmoony> ("") <- in there, what do we want in there? another activity, a resource, something from manifest, what? :)
Apr 17 23:35:10 <evan> dahlmoony: we want http://developer.android.com/guide/components/intents-filters.html
Apr 17 23:35:16 <dahlmoony> thx
Apr 17 23:35:18 <P3nnyw1se> silly question maybe.. you had any issues copying a complete android project in eclipse and then putting back in under a different name?
Apr 17 23:36:18 <coco89> evan, ah I see, but if I did execute(httpPost) and then an execute(httpGet) i'd still get the response from what I've posted with httpPost right/ :)
Apr 17 23:36:33 <evan> coco89: correct
Apr 17 23:36:46 <coco89> evan, that makes a lot more sense now thanks for clarifying!
Apr 17 23:37:10 <evan> coco89: not a problem
Apr 17 23:37:19 <dahlmoony> I knew what to modify, except this thing ("") I just asked :p
Apr 17 23:38:00 <evan> dahlmoony: I'm impressed that you were able to read and understand what whole document so quickly
Apr 17 23:39:01 <dahlmoony> evan yay first pat on shoulder @programming :D thx
Apr 17 23:39:57 <dahlmoony> unless not serious xD
Apr 17 23:41:08 <dahlmoony> 10 pages done yo
Apr 17 23:42:06 <dahlmoony> now, how do I create a 3D game where the player control the character by moving in real life? I want the front camera to see the players movements
Apr 17 23:42:32 <Leeds> dahlmoony: hang on, I'll code that up for you... give me 10 minutes
Apr 17 23:42:33 <dahlmoony> like Wii but on the go
Apr 17 23:43:35 <sonOfRa> strap a wii to your android!
Apr 17 23:43:58 <dahlmoony> Oh now I got an idea, an app that makes the phone a Wii controller in case you runt out of batteries for the wii-remote
Apr 17 23:44:10 <P3nnyw1se> what if.. the game wasn't a game and it was just his real life
Apr 17 23:44:23 <P3nnyw1se> opions
Apr 17 23:44:33 <P3nnyw1se> this.classVariable .. or classVariable
Apr 17 23:44:35 <P3nnyw1se> ?
Apr 17 23:44:55 <sonOfRa> my eclipse warns me by convention if I leave out a this.
Apr 17 23:45:04 <sonOfRa> but it's convention for the people you work with
Apr 17 23:45:23 <dahlmoony> evan, I've done all the guides there before, but plz tell me what to put inside ("")
Apr 17 23:45:43 <dahlmoony> do we want something else or are we just naming what we are doing?
Apr 17 23:46:03 <evan> dahlmoony: you clearly haven't "done all the guides"
Apr 17 23:46:23 <P3nnyw1se> sonOfRa
Apr 17 23:46:34 <P3nnyw1se> I kinda like having it there :P makes me feel.. hmmm .. 'tidy'
Apr 17 23:46:40 <evan> dahlmoony: we're not here to give out code. If you want someone to just hand you completed solutions, either /join #android-spoon-feeding or /msg P3nnyw1se
Apr 17 23:47:34 <sonOfRa> P3nnyw1se, I do too, it generally adds clarity
Apr 17 23:47:36 <dahlmoony> You wrote a whole project with code you fucking birthday hat and now you cant explain a detail within that code?
Apr 17 23:47:38 <sonOfRa> especially with nested classes
Apr 17 23:47:51 <Fall> lel
Apr 17 23:47:57 <sonOfRa> hahahahaha
Apr 17 23:48:06 <sonOfRa> dahlmoony, way to not ever get any help from anyone again
Apr 17 23:48:06 <Fall> I loved the birthday hat part
Apr 17 23:48:16 <Leeds> wtf is a birthday hat?
Apr 17 23:48:26 <sonOfRa> evan is a birthday hat!
Apr 17 23:48:30 <Leeds> I mean, apart from evan, obviously
Apr 17 23:48:34 <Fall> ;]
Apr 17 23:48:37 <sonOfRa> i have no idea.
Apr 17 23:49:05 <evan> dahlmoony: if you think that's a whole project, you are very confused about what software development is
Apr 17 23:49:24 <sonOfRa> P3nnyw1se, things like EnclosingClass.this.member in an inner class is a LOT more clear than just writing member
Apr 17 23:49:39 <P3nnyw1se> yeah
Apr 17 23:49:46 <sonOfRa> both are legal, and should point to the same thing, if member doesn't exist in InnerClass
Apr 17 23:49:54 <evan> dahlmoony: I'm also not going to waste time explaining a detail of that code when a) someone else did it better and b) you don't want to understand, you just want me to fix it for you
Apr 17 23:50:08 <benlieb> my emulator has logs have just started filling with a bunch of exchange server errors and memory leaks. WHen I try to run my app, it eats my CPU and never launches, forcing me to force quit. I've reinstalled ADT, but same error. It had been working for weeks just fine and now I can't run anything. I'm at my whit's end. Please help me figure this out.
Apr 17 23:50:21 <P3nnyw1se> when evan says 'a) someone did it better' I can't imagine he means anyone else than me
Apr 17 23:50:21 <P3nnyw1se> :D
Apr 17 23:50:35 <evan> P3nnyw1se: I mean http://developer.android.com/guide/components/intents-filters.html
Apr 17 23:50:46 <evan> which dahlmoony has refused to read, multiple times.
Apr 17 23:52:28 <P3nnyw1se> its indeed a lose/lose situation being new and eager at programming and having to explain something to someone being new and eager
Apr 17 23:52:43 <P3nnyw1se> now considering myself in the middle of those 2 positions.. I enjoy watching :P
Apr 17 23:53:05 <evan> P3nnyw1se: no, that's fun. The problem is when the new guy doesn't want to learn and only wants a solution.
Apr 17 23:53:51 <dahlmoony> I want to learn to get solutions from others :-)
Apr 17 23:54:12 <JesusFreke> dahlmoony: then hire a programmer :)
Apr 17 23:54:34 <dahlmoony> ;)
Apr 17 23:54:48 <evan> dahlmoony: I start at $250/hr
Apr 17 23:54:57 <P3nnyw1se> lol
Apr 17 23:54:59 <groxx> Does anyone here know how the resource-packing system works in Android?  I've identified one possible difference between my broken-drawable version and all others: in the broken version, it's the very-first resource in the list.
Apr 17 23:55:03 <P3nnyw1se> evan
Apr 17 23:55:10 <P3nnyw1se> public int getCount() {
Apr 17 23:55:11 <P3nnyw1se> return R.integer.max_fragments;  }
Apr 17 23:55:14 <P3nnyw1se> this is what you meant... hmm 2 hours ago
Apr 17 23:55:15 <P3nnyw1se> right ?
Apr 17 23:55:31 <evan> P3nnyw1se: no, that'll say that you have ~millions of fragments
Apr 17 23:55:44 <evan> P3nnyw1se: context.getResources().getInt(R.integer.max_fragments); or something like that
Apr 17 23:56:01 <P3nnyw1se> ohhhh shit it will return the long id number ?
Apr 17 23:56:37 <evan> haha yeah
Apr 17 23:57:41 <dahlmoony> evan I get ten indian programmers who will create a app that can turn the phone into a powerful explosive device for that kind of money
Apr 17 23:57:50 <evan> dahlmoony: cool, use them.
Apr 17 23:58:00 <P3nnyw1se> my phone is already a powerfull explosive device
Apr 17 23:58:02 <P3nnyw1se> not by choice
Apr 17 23:58:09 <groxx> lithium-ion batteries are fun that way
Apr 17 23:58:39 <StingRay_> anyone tried a full fush on l-ion ?
Apr 17 23:58:45 <StingRay_> like roulette
Apr 17 23:59:06 <groxx> 'full fush' isn't parsing - ?
Apr 17 23:59:14 <dahlmoony> Wi-Fi hotspot + charging + full brightness + downloading on computer + watching movie = explosion
Apr 17 23:59:16 <P3nnyw1se> evan .. since my fragmentPagerAdapter is in a private static innerclass..  I ofc can't reach the getRecourses.. so I save it to a variable in my activity and pass it along into the adapter ?
Apr 17 23:59:28 <StingRay_> as in dead li-ion inverse charge
Apr 17 23:59:43 <evan> P3nnyw1se: that'd be fine. Or pass Context to the constructor and do the resolution there
Apr 17 23:59:54 <benlieb> Cany anyone help me understand why eclipse has started hanging when I try to run my app?
Apr 18 00:00:17 <benlieb> I can't get it to run! I've waste 6 hours on this already...
Apr 18 00:00:23 <rburton-> I just saw a homeless person laying on his side drunk pissing
Apr 18 00:00:34 <StingRay_> benlieb: have you posted a stack trace ?
Apr 18 00:00:47 <StingRay_> what do you mean hang ?
Apr 18 00:01:15 <StingRay_> you get an ANR ?
Apr 18 00:01:22 <benlieb> StingRay_: it was running the app fine for weeks, now, it just goes to 100% CPU and never runs. I have to force quit.
Apr 18 00:01:37 <StingRay_> never runs dont mean anything
Apr 18 00:01:45 <StingRay_> and I doubt anyone could help based on that
Apr 18 00:01:50 <benlieb> The emulator never loads the app
Apr 18 00:02:02 <StingRay_> so what do you force quit ?
Apr 18 00:02:12 <StingRay_> thin air ?
Apr 18 00:02:14 <StingRay_> the emulator ?
Apr 18 00:02:17 <benlieb> I force quit Eclips
Apr 18 00:02:27 <StingRay_> so eclipse hangs ?
Apr 18 00:02:29 <groxx> benlieb: my usual Eclipse fixes involve a) clean, b) restart Eclipse, c) reboot computer.  it's depressing how often C fixes things.
Apr 18 00:02:50 <benlieb> groxx: how do I clean?
Apr 18 00:02:58 <pfn> rebooting computer should never be required to "fix eclipse"
Apr 18 00:03:01 <groxx> project menu -> clean.
Apr 18 00:03:06 <benlieb> I've restarted and reinstalled Eclipse, and I've reobooted
Apr 18 00:03:30 <StingRay_> benlieb: you should check eclipse logs see whats happening
Apr 18 00:03:35 <benlieb> the problem may be in the emulator, it's started showing a lot of errors.
Apr 18 00:03:50 <groxx> pfn: totally agree, but sometimes it does.  I might attribute many of them to adb's server failing to start and detect devices, though.
Apr 18 00:03:58 <benlieb> StingRay_: which log exactly? There's a bunch
Apr 18 00:04:04 <dahlmoony> which will be most enjoyed, java.util.logging.Handler or android.os.Handler?
Apr 18 00:04:22 <groxx> I'm quite fond of System.out.println
Apr 18 00:04:29 <pfn> adb kill-server
Apr 18 00:04:32 <StingRay_> dahlmoony: I enjoy logging :)
Apr 18 00:04:32 <evan> dahlmoony: well, are you trying to log?
Apr 18 00:04:36 <pfn> failing to start is rarely an issue
Apr 18 00:04:41 <pfn> unless you have usb driver issues in your computer
Apr 18 00:04:49 <pfn> not an eclipse problem there
Apr 18 00:04:52 <dahlmoony> evan your code
Apr 18 00:05:15 <groxx> pfn: I've used it, it usually fixes things.  not always, sadly.  and yeah, could very well be a USB driver issue.
Apr 18 00:05:15 <evan> dahlmoony: 1) my code had the correct import and 2) dude, think about what you're asking. Seriously. Just think about it
Apr 18 00:05:26 <evan> 3) if you can't figure it out, try one. If that doesn't work, try the other.
Apr 18 00:06:03 <groxx> 4) I can't think of a case where using handlers without understanding them isn't a bad idea.
Apr 18 00:06:30 <coco89> evan, the username doesn't seem to be posting to the script for some reason :S http://pastebin.com/39PPbPxs
Apr 18 00:06:39 <groxx> woah.  triple-negative sentence.
Apr 18 00:07:40 <benlieb> Also getting DDMS files not found. Seems to be adb, hprof-conv, traceview
Apr 18 00:07:41 <benlieb> ug
Apr 18 00:09:24 <dahlmoony> is it possible to do a app that secretly will call 911 randomly without the Call app being visible?
Apr 18 00:09:43 <P3nnyw1se> you're asking if we can somehow prevent the police
Apr 18 00:09:45 <P3nnyw1se> from seeing who is calling ?
Apr 18 00:09:52 <evan> coco89: that all seems on the level
Apr 18 00:10:05 <coco89> evan, on the level?
Apr 18 00:10:24 <Leeds> dahlmoony: hang on, I'll code that up for you... give me 10 minutes
Apr 18 00:10:26 <dahlmoony> no I want it to call 911 without the guy owning the phone knowing it, so that they will like think he is kidnapped and cant talk without being killed
Apr 18 00:10:54 <P3nnyw1se> theoretically you can do a lot of stuff with a phone
Apr 18 00:11:02 <evan> dahlmoony: no you can't do that
Apr 18 00:11:03 <P3nnyw1se> seems like you don't have the 'temper' to learn about it first though :)
Apr 18 00:12:51 <StingRay_> P3nnyw1se: dont be silly, if he ever learns what ("") is I think he'll be "dangerous" …..
Apr 18 00:13:19 <P3nnyw1se> in someways I relate.. I'm way to eager to make stuff work at times
Apr 18 00:13:26 <P3nnyw1se> in other ways I dont relate.. in every other way
Apr 18 00:13:27 <P3nnyw1se> it seems
Apr 18 00:13:39 <StingRay_> I think thats youth
Apr 18 00:13:48 <dahlmoony> I believe I can do some good stuff I in a while, I just usually fuck around in the beginning with hobbies when I dont understand the system
Apr 18 00:14:17 <P3nnyw1se> what other programming have you done dahlmoony
Apr 18 00:14:27 <P3nnyw1se> cause this isn't just a hobby like learning to do photoshop
Apr 18 00:14:32 <P3nnyw1se> I learned that the hard way
Apr 18 00:14:50 <StingRay_> hey!!!
Apr 18 00:15:01 <P3nnyw1se> haha
Apr 18 00:15:10 <StingRay_> photoshop is not cake, and just cause you know PS dont mean your an ARTIST or can do ART!!!
Apr 18 00:15:17 * StingRay_ sulks 
Apr 18 00:15:20 <Leeds> cake?
Apr 18 00:15:22 <P3nnyw1se> which of course was IMPLIED in what I wrote
Apr 18 00:15:24 <P3nnyw1se> :P
Apr 18 00:15:39 <benlieb> I'mg getting the user opperation is waiting for 'building workspace' to complete
Apr 18 00:15:47 <benlieb> anyone ever had this issue?
Apr 18 00:15:53 <StingRay_> benlieb:  yes
Apr 18 00:16:06 <StingRay_> was to do with ….."thinking"
Apr 18 00:16:17 <StingRay_> well neways, it's .project related
Apr 18 00:16:17 <benlieb> how do I fix this?
Apr 18 00:16:24 <StingRay_> cause if you remove the settings   .meta
Apr 18 00:16:27 <StingRay_> from your project
Apr 18 00:16:31 <StingRay_> it works
Apr 18 00:16:38 <benlieb> I guess Eclipse is waiting, not hanging.
Apr 18 00:16:43 <StingRay_> the key is to remove/replace only whats broken
Apr 18 00:16:45 <dahlmoony> I havent done anything with computahs before but I learn languages without studying them so a friend said "programming is language bro, u pro.) but its a bit different I think
Apr 18 00:16:58 <Fall> what
Apr 18 00:17:17 <benlieb> StingRay_: any idea how to fix this?
Apr 18 00:17:22 <coco89> evan, my bad it works now :P I accidentally deleted echo in the php script heh
Apr 18 00:17:28 <coco89> thanks
Apr 18 00:17:49 <StingRay_> benlieb: maybe, hold on
Apr 18 00:17:58 <P3nnyw1se> any ideas why 2 completely similiar AVD's are running smoothly on my wrecked laptop.. and laggy on my powerfull gaming computer ?
Apr 18 00:19:16 <evan> coco89: \o/
Apr 18 00:19:21 <coco89> :D
Apr 18 00:19:33 <StingRay_> benlieb: I have a "possible" solution
Apr 18 00:19:44 <dahlmoony> Becouse AVD's feel inferior to your gaming device
Apr 18 00:19:54 <dahlmoony> not comfortable :'((
Apr 18 00:19:55 <P3nnyw1se> arghh this goddamn 'HAX'
Apr 18 00:20:06 <StingRay_> in your workspace dir, there is  .metadata/.plugins
Apr 18 00:20:10 <benlieb> I've read online that I should add -clean to the .ini file.
Apr 18 00:20:11 <P3nnyw1se> it says its installed in my SDK Manager
Apr 18 00:20:16 <benlieb> But I don't have one, I'm on mac
Apr 18 00:20:20 <benlieb> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11514987/user-operation-is-waiting-for-building-workspace
Apr 18 00:20:20 <P3nnyw1se> but it doesn't act as if it is
Apr 18 00:20:22 <StingRay_> some var/flag could be the cause (corrupt)
Apr 18 00:20:46 <StingRay_> you could go through the folders removing one by one
Apr 18 00:20:50 <StingRay_> keeping backups
Apr 18 00:20:54 <StingRay_> find the issue
Apr 18 00:21:09 <StingRay_> benlieb: so am i
Apr 18 00:21:13 <StingRay_> and yes you do
Apr 18 00:21:20 <StingRay_> .folders are hidden
Apr 18 00:21:25 <StingRay_> ;)
Apr 18 00:21:33 <StingRay_> so in finder "go to folder"
Apr 18 00:21:48 <StingRay_> youpathtoworkstapce/.metadata
Apr 18 00:21:56 <StingRay_> then into .plugins
Apr 18 00:22:09 <StingRay_> also do you have timeMachine running ?
Apr 18 00:23:16 <StingRay_> benlieb: also if you do what I say (backing up things too) I'm 75% sure you will solve your issues
Apr 18 00:23:38 <dahlmoony> does postDelayed mean it will pause things?
Apr 18 00:23:51 <StingRay_> cause I'm 95% sure the problem is with .metadata/.plugins
Apr 18 00:24:17 <StingRay_> and I'm 100% sure I'm off for a coffee and a cig
Apr 18 00:24:58 <StingRay_> post = after    delay = pause
Apr 18 00:25:04 <StingRay_> after pause
Apr 18 00:25:25 <evan> dahlmoony: it means http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html#postDelayed(java.lang.Runnable,%20long)
Apr 18 00:25:32 <StingRay_> well actually I think post is the thread posting an action
Apr 18 00:25:40 <StingRay_> but my explination is well better
Apr 18 00:25:41 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 18 00:25:41 <JesusFreke> yeah, wrong post :)
Apr 18 00:26:05 <JesusFreke> postPost
Apr 18 00:26:14 <StingRay_> indeed
Apr 18 00:27:08 <dahlmoony> StingRay_ very good :)
Apr 18 00:27:11 <StingRay_> i want a postHaste
Apr 18 00:29:13 <uragano2> How can i add in my preferences screen a list like in the address book to add more numbers to a contact?
Apr 18 00:29:18 <JesusFreke> postHastePost
Apr 18 00:29:23 <dahlmoony> I ball so solid mother-mounters wanna fine me, first black individuals gotta find me
Apr 18 00:29:23 <JesusFreke> for when you need to post something urgently
Apr 18 00:31:21 <P3nnyw1se> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Apr 18 00:31:24 <P3nnyw1se> its 02:30 here
Apr 18 00:31:28 <P3nnyw1se> and I have to be at work tomorrow
Apr 18 00:31:30 <P3nnyw1se> better go to bed
Apr 18 00:32:13 <dahlmoony> BAOWLL SO HAWRD MAHFAURGASS WANNA FAYJND MEEE
Apr 18 00:32:18 <dahlmoony> ^dat shit kray
Apr 18 00:32:36 <dahlmoony> Goodnight nigga
Apr 18 00:34:21 <groxx> well that was awkward.
Apr 18 00:38:44 <rburton-> I'm not shocked by his behavior after hearing his questions for the last 4 hours
Apr 18 00:39:10 <benlieb> StingRay_: sorry had to take a call. No time machine
Apr 18 00:39:41 <StingRay_> benlieb: you got everything I siad /
Apr 18 00:39:43 <StingRay_> ?
Apr 18 00:40:29 <benlieb> StingRay_: you want me to go through the metada folder and remove items one by one?
Apr 18 00:40:51 <StingRay_> well, proof that it works, copy/backup your workspace
Apr 18 00:41:07 <StingRay_> then in the origional, delete .metadata/.plugins
Apr 18 00:41:15 <StingRay_> eclipse will start fine
Apr 18 00:41:29 <StingRay_> then after that… put things back till it doesn't
Apr 18 00:41:42 <StingRay_> prob identified, fix, celebrate
Apr 18 00:44:08 <StingRay_> then the last step is replace finder or turn on hidden files / folders  :)
Apr 18 00:49:18 <dahlmoony> Guys, can I get final product quicker by learning to do websites instead of android?
Apr 18 00:49:29 <dahlmoony> this java stuff seems to be all over android
Apr 18 00:49:38 <StingRay_> it is
Apr 18 00:49:44 <StingRay_> most people use phoneGap
Apr 18 00:49:50 <StingRay_> and go the html5 route
Apr 18 00:49:58 <StingRay_> they even have an irc channel
Apr 18 00:50:02 <StingRay_> #phonegap
Apr 18 00:50:13 <shmooz> dahlmoony: did you download those torrent tutorial videos from pirate bay ?
Apr 18 00:52:31 <dahlmoony> no they didnt work or something
Apr 18 00:52:33 <dahlmoony> gonna try again now
Apr 18 00:57:18 <dahlmoony> was it "Android Programming and Android Game video tutorial"?
Apr 18 00:58:33 <dahlmoony> yes it was
Apr 18 01:00:56 <dahlmoony> "Downloading metadata" on on and the other says "Connecting to peers", stoopid torrents xD
Apr 18 01:02:08 <dahlmoony> StingRay_: is html5 stuff such as the youtube player?
Apr 18 01:02:25 <dahlmoony> it can do things, like java can?
Apr 18 01:02:51 <StingRay_> it's like 1 better than html4
Apr 18 01:02:59 <StingRay_> maybe even 3 better than 2
Apr 18 01:03:15 <groxx> but only 0.99 better than html 4.01
Apr 18 01:03:29 <Leeds> unfortunately, you've got be to using IPv5 to get the full benefit
Apr 18 01:03:46 <dahlmoony> Leeds is that skypes engine?
Apr 18 01:03:50 <StingRay_> which is 1 better than ipv4 ?
Apr 18 01:07:27 <str8uplinux> any reason "Game Time!!!" (on line 6) is always returned no matter what in this if else statement? http://pastie.org/private/fatz08mdxejnzlqnzdwo5q
Apr 18 01:07:32 <shmooz> dahlmoony: I got that torrent without problems, and it looks pretty good, watched the first few episodes
Apr 18 01:09:21 <str8uplinux> I know for a fact that Months Weeks Days and Hours do not all return zero because if i take out the first if statement are unwrap the else statement it returns 4 1 5 and 5
Apr 18 01:09:49 <shmooz> here's the link to those video tutorials incase anyone else is interested too ...  http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7102283/Android_Programming_and_Android_Game_video_tutorial
Apr 18 01:10:15 <canadiancow> str8uplinux, because period's months/weeks/days/hours etc are <= 0 ...
Apr 18 01:11:39 <str8uplinux> canadiancow: but even if i set define them as int Months = period.getMonths(); and so on, and use the defined ints in my if statement, i get the same results?
Apr 18 01:12:20 <groxx> str8uplinux: are they ints?  I'm not familiar with the 'Period' class
Apr 18 01:13:07 <TheTrash> str8uplinux: there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the condition, so the obvious cause would be that your period is in fact not what you think it is.
Apr 18 01:14:04 <TheTrash> str8uplinux: dump the ko and cur vars and see what they are
Apr 18 01:14:14 <TheTrash> Also remember that those are millisecond values.
Apr 18 01:14:57 <Bourbon> hi, I've got an xml http://hastebin.com/ciwokejeve that used to work, but started throwing errors on lines 4 & 5
Apr 18 01:15:08 <Bourbon> that parent @android:style/Widget.Holo.ProgressBar.Horizontal doesn't exist
Apr 18 01:16:07 <Bourbon> I don't really understand why this is or how to fix this, though
Apr 18 01:16:23 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: I know that it returns the following: 4, 1, 5, and 5
Apr 18 01:16:47 <StingRay_> Bourbon: have you changed the build target ?
Apr 18 01:16:57 <Bourbon> I don't think that I did
Apr 18 01:17:04 <StingRay_> check
Apr 18 01:17:07 <Bourbon> I have tried changing it around a bit
Apr 18 01:17:07 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 18 01:17:12 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: and i thought that by setting int Month = period.getMonths(); would set it to an int regardless? or at least throw an error if it wasn't an error...
Apr 18 01:17:18 <str8uplinux> wasn't an int**
Apr 18 01:17:30 <TheTrash> It is an int
Apr 18 01:17:30 <Bourbon> I did check - I've tried it on 2.3.4, 3.0, and 4.0.3
Apr 18 01:17:45 <canadiancow> str8uplinux, yes, if you assign 0 to an int, and test that against 0, you will get the same result
Apr 18 01:17:48 <TheTrash> http://joda-time.sourceforge.net/apidocs/org/joda/time/Period.html says it is, anyhow.
Apr 18 01:17:51 <Bourbon> so any changes I did to the build target wouldn't be it
Apr 18 01:18:01 <Bourbon> 2.3.3*
Apr 18 01:18:02 <TheTrash> How are you checking that it returns those values?
Apr 18 01:18:19 <Bourbon> wait, nvm
Apr 18 01:18:28 <Bourbon> just impatient on that one..
Apr 18 01:19:21 <Bourbon> odd - I switched between versions a few times, and it cleared up
Apr 18 01:20:32 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: i have commented out the if statemnet and just used what is inside the else statement
Apr 18 01:21:03 <dahlmoony> shmooz: do you have time to answer a question?
Apr 18 01:21:32 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: which returns 4mo 1wk 5d 5hrs
Apr 18 01:21:54 <str8uplinux> but i am tacking on the mo, wk, d, and hrs
Apr 18 01:23:06 <TheTrash> Peculiar, I see nothing wrong with the condition, at least not as it is in that paste.
Apr 18 01:23:50 <shmooz> dahlmoony: ask it here
Apr 18 01:24:03 <dahlmoony> i meant here
Apr 18 01:24:06 <dahlmoony> http://pastebin.com/ZPU0EAXX
Apr 18 01:24:08 <Bourbon> more importantly, what is @android:style/Widget.Holo.ProgressBar.Horizontal?
Apr 18 01:24:22 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: yeah, i'm not sure what is going on
Apr 18 01:24:37 <Bourbon> I'm assuming it's some Widget that is a ProgressBar that is Horizontal... but beyond that, what is Holo?
Apr 18 01:24:42 <dahlmoony> what exactly can RapistUnchained be? is it the name of another activity or are we merely giving a name to what we are already doing?
Apr 18 01:25:53 <dahlmoony> are we referencing to a file named RapistUnchained?
Apr 18 01:25:59 <ProgramMax> Hey guys. I have a question. I added a highlight state to my listview recently by just having a selector item
Apr 18 01:26:14 <ProgramMax> but on older devices, now when I scroll that list up and down, I seem to get a black background
Apr 18 01:26:19 <ProgramMax> it only happens on older devices, though
Apr 18 01:26:22 <str8uplinux> TheTrash: and just for kicks i just did this: String Month = period.getMonths(); and get the infamous error "cannont convert int to string"
Apr 18 01:26:30 <TheTrash> dahlmoony: it's an action: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html
Apr 18 01:26:37 <ProgramMax> and when the scrolling stops, and I click to stabalize it, the background returns to the white it should be
Apr 18 01:26:51 <dahlmoony> shmooz I have a feeling it is referencing to something in the manifest called RapistUnchained, is that true?
Apr 18 01:26:59 <TheTrash> dahlmoony: there's a predefined list of actions in the android platform.
Apr 18 01:27:09 <shmooz> dahlmoony: what TheTrash said ^^^
Apr 18 01:27:17 <TheTrash> It doesn't make a lot of sense to put something in there, other than those predefined actions.
Apr 18 01:27:41 <groxx> ProgramMax: maybe it has something to do with this? http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-is-my-list-black-android.html
Apr 18 01:28:06 <ProgramMax> checking. Thank you
Apr 18 01:28:12 <dahlmoony> Ok so look, i got <action android:name="RapistUnchained" /> in manifesto, is that a resource will it reference further too?
Apr 18 01:28:54 <TheTrash> Ok so it refers to a custom action.
Apr 18 01:29:18 <TheTrash> str8uplinux: obviously
Apr 18 01:31:24 <dahlmoony> Mind=blown. wish I could see those videos shmoozish talks about
Apr 18 01:31:31 <TheTrash> dahlmoony: what you're doing mainly makes sense if you want other apps to start your app through an intent... is that what you're trying to do?
Apr 18 01:32:32 <dahlmoony> well this class will be a 5 second intro when launching app
Apr 18 01:33:01 <TheTrash> dahlmoony: if after that, you
Apr 18 01:33:03 <shmooz> dahlmoony: what's wrong with your uTorrent ?
Apr 18 01:33:17 <dahlmoony> shmooz did u see my print screen?
Apr 18 01:33:29 <shmooz> yes, the pastebin ..
Apr 18 01:33:45 <dahlmoony> no, not the pastebin xD
Apr 18 01:33:46 <dahlmoony> http://oi47.tinypic.com/9hid79.jpg
Apr 18 01:33:47 <TheTrash> 're starting an activity in your own app, you can create the intent with (FirstActivity.this, SecondActivity.class);
Apr 18 01:33:50 <shmooz> oh
Apr 18 01:34:21 <TheTrash> (has to be defined as an activity tag in the manifest)
Apr 18 01:35:23 <benlieb> StingRay_: can't find issue. Eclipse still hangs when i run app...
Apr 18 01:35:40 <StingRay_> benlieb: you removed ALL plugins ?
Apr 18 01:35:47 <StingRay_> as in from .metadata ?
Apr 18 01:36:22 <benlieb> I removed the whole .metadata dir
Apr 18 01:36:26 <dahlmoony> hey are you guys talking about metadata?
Apr 18 01:36:28 <StingRay_> oh
Apr 18 01:36:33 <dahlmoony> wierd coincidence
Apr 18 01:36:52 <StingRay_> well then it's that 5%
Apr 18 01:37:08 <shmooz> dahlmoony:  no idea why it doesn't work on yours, I got it fast over here
Apr 18 01:37:11 <StingRay_> cause everytime I have had YOUR prob in OSX that has been the fix
Apr 18 01:37:13 <benlieb> It just hangs when I run. I still get " the user operation is waiting for 'building workspace'  to complete" http://oi50.tinypic.com/2mi5c88.jpg
Apr 18 01:38:17 <StingRay_> diskutil fix permissions + check ?
Apr 18 01:38:27 <benlieb> StingRay_: sorry could you explain exactly what the fix is? Remove and replace all plugin dirs individually?
Apr 18 01:38:51 <StingRay_> well no, if removing .metadata did nothing
Apr 18 01:39:03 <StingRay_> then we can assume it's not a project settings/state problem
Apr 18 01:39:10 <shmooz> dahlmoony: downgrade from 3.3 to 2.1
Apr 18 01:39:14 <benlieb> at this point I'm ready for a complete reinstall.
Apr 18 01:39:21 <StingRay_> well 1st
Apr 18 01:39:35 <benlieb> I tried to do that, but apparently simply deleting the eclipse dir didn't work. The settings are saved somewhere else.
Apr 18 01:39:37 <StingRay_> I would get "onyx"
Apr 18 01:39:54 <StingRay_> and do all the maintenance things for osx
Apr 18 01:39:59 <StingRay_> then try
Apr 18 01:40:39 <benlieb> what is onyx?
Apr 18 01:40:58 <StingRay_> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx
Apr 18 01:41:06 <StingRay_> an nice little util
Apr 18 01:41:25 <StingRay_> saves lots of terminal work when cleaning OSX
Apr 18 01:44:37 <benlieb> StingRay_: can you explain how you think that tool will help me?
Apr 18 01:45:08 <StingRay_> permission, dyl cache, etc
Apr 18 01:45:33 <dahlmoony> TheTrash Thanks! So I type <activity android:name="hiii"></activity> in manifest? (hiii=introscreen file)
Apr 18 01:45:41 <groxx> makes it easier to delete extraneous temp files that may be causing problems.  there are a lot of places they hide.
Apr 18 01:46:08 <benlieb> StingRay_: I mean what exactly. It seems like it could actually cause a lot of other unrelated problems. I'm always wary of system-wide changes and letting some strange app have free range of my system.
Apr 18 01:46:30 <StingRay_> benlieb: then dont use it :)
Apr 18 01:46:31 <TheTrash> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Apr 18 01:46:36 <StingRay_> me ? I use it all the time
Apr 18 01:46:59 <StingRay_> you can open a terminal and do that same things
Apr 18 01:47:03 <StingRay_> I'm just lazy
Apr 18 01:47:06 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 18 01:52:41 <dahlmoony> Sweet, after hanging here a while, the java part of http://developer.android.com/ guides are much less intimidating.
Apr 18 01:52:51 <dahlmoony> At first, I thought "// Make sure we're running on Honeycomb or higher to use ActionBar APIs" was actual sequence of code to be memorized
Apr 18 01:53:57 <shmooz> dahlmooney at first you should imitate some tutorials, step by step you'll see the bigger picture as you get into it
Apr 18 01:57:28 <dahlmoony> Mmm yep :) But everyone here really shreds apart the code the guides ask me to write
Apr 18 01:58:10 <dahlmoony> aparently I was taught wrong doing a Thread to do a splash screen etc
Apr 18 02:00:01 <shmooz> yeah well it takes time and dedication, going back to a cleaner way of starting the design and everything, and as you become more intermediate you get better at coding cleaner from the start
Apr 18 02:01:41 <dahlmoony> Yes thats probably how it is. You guys are like the kings and conquers of modern age and I wanna be like you one day :)
Apr 18 02:02:18 <dahlmoony> dedication onCreate() :)
Apr 18 02:02:29 <boojit> hello, I'm looking for someone with a Samsung Galaxy SII and a few spare minutes. I've written a fix for a bug in my web application that only occurs on the Galaxy SII. Anyone with time to run a quick test for me?
Apr 18 02:06:19 <StingRay_> I have an s2 somewhere, but just about to sleep :(
Apr 18 02:06:29 <StingRay_> oh and I avoid web apps ...
Apr 18 02:07:05 <groxx> don't suppose this would work?  http://www.keynotedeviceanywhere.com/da-free-product-overview.html (trying to find an alternative)
Apr 18 02:07:13 <boojit> Ok, well thanks.
Apr 18 02:07:40 <StingRay_> oh yeah, sammy do device emu thingy for devs
Apr 18 02:07:46 <StingRay_> dont know if s2 is there
Apr 18 02:07:58 <StingRay_> but you sign up and you get free minutes on an actual device
Apr 18 02:08:24 <boojit> oh, right, we have another service like that, but no SII. Just the regular android sdk emu's
Apr 18 02:08:35 <boojit> the name of it escapes me for the moment
Apr 18 02:08:49 <boojit> I bet hexacode is going to ask about SetText
Apr 18 02:08:59 <StingRay_> yeah sammy operate it for devs wanting to test on galaxy devices
Apr 18 02:09:25 <dahlmoony> Damn rapgenius.com what a great idea! maybe one could take this concept and apply it to something else, but what...
Apr 18 02:09:55 <boojit> StingRay_: thanks, i'll check into that
Apr 18 02:10:11 <hexacode> hey you guys, i have an overidden oncreateoptions() function that i would think should run as soon as i hit the menu button on the emulated device; however, it seems to be being called whenever my app starts? what am i misunderstanding here about this function?
Apr 18 02:11:08 <hexacode> actually its onCreateOptionsMenu(Menu menu);
Apr 18 02:11:25 <groxx> hexacode: try http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#ChangingTheMenu - onPrepareOptionsMenu sounds like what you want
Apr 18 02:11:33 <groxx> onCreateOptionsMenu is acting like it should.
Apr 18 02:12:01 <hexacode> oh thanks. i get it now.
Apr 18 02:13:30 <benlieb> I think my problem is in the android device manager. even when I reinstall Eclipse (and have deleted all extra files throughout the system) ADV still shows my old saved emulator devices. Where is this installed, and how do I wipe it?
Apr 18 02:14:46 <groxx> benlieb: did you install the ADT version of Eclipse, or install ADT by hand before / after?
Apr 18 02:15:16 <benlieb> ADT version. I think I found the location. ~/.android
Apr 18 02:16:07 <groxx> sounds promising - if that doesn't pan out (I did it by hand, so mine's elsewhere), it looks like you can find the location Eclipse thinks it's in - go to 'preferences', click 'Android', and the SDK location will be listed.
Apr 18 02:27:04 <shmooz> dahlmoony: try this link, its not a magnet, it should work ...   http://ca.isohunt.com/download/378337829/d6ece9f1d1043a9365f11f818165123b95f9ac1a.torrent
Apr 18 02:40:31 <Phong_> hi guys
Apr 18 02:40:51 <Phong_> is there away to make external SD as internal?
Apr 18 02:40:57 <Phong_> games add up quickly
Apr 18 02:41:19 <bankai_> for what ?
Apr 18 02:41:28 <Phong_> for installing games and stuff
Apr 18 02:41:36 <Phong_> 16GB internal is useless
Apr 18 02:41:38 <bankai_> i think you have to partition and ext3 it
Apr 18 02:41:51 <Phong_> bankai_, what are you talking about
Apr 18 02:42:01 <Phong_> all i want is the external treat us internal
Apr 18 02:42:08 <Phong_> do you understand?
Apr 18 02:43:31 <canadiancow> no
Apr 18 02:46:53 <Anaphaxeton> i will ask again
Apr 18 02:47:04 <Anaphaxeton> why is the java layer so fat?
Apr 18 02:47:21 <Anaphaxeton> that is a battery killer
Apr 18 02:48:53 <bankai_> compared to ?
Apr 18 02:50:32 <bankai_> Phong_: most people with custom roms extend their internal memory by partitioning their sdcard and installing apps on there
Apr 18 02:53:37 <pfn> I hope I'm successful at hacking out device policy requirements for exchange
Apr 18 02:53:39 <pfn> hate this crap
Apr 18 02:55:54 <Anaphaxeton> bankai_, a fatter NDK
Apr 18 02:56:29 <Anaphaxeton> Java only for the upper layers such as the gui
Apr 18 02:57:00 <Anaphaxeton> i understand the need for cross-platformess, but it is really doable
Apr 18 02:57:32 <Leeds> Anaphaxeton: ever hear the phrase "patches are welcome"?
Apr 18 02:58:20 <bankai_> there is a lot of NDK behind the scenes, not to mention Jazelle ( on ARM ) -- have you got some performance stats to show that java is inefficient on current ARM chips ?
Apr 18 02:59:24 <Anaphaxeton> no but i am quite sure
Apr 18 02:59:38 <Anaphaxeton> Leeds, patches for what?
Apr 18 02:59:49 <bankai_> you are "quite sure", but you have nothing to base that statement on...
Apr 18 02:59:57 <Anaphaxeton> it is slower
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