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Apr 22 03:01:20 <Tricknology> i see. thanks guys.  lasserix, the phone is rooted
Apr 22 03:15:58 <justdl_> heya!
Apr 22 03:16:56 <justdl_> i have a few technical questions as to what it would take to make an app :)
Apr 22 03:17:07 <Tricknology> whats up justdl_ ?
Apr 22 03:17:17 <Sonicadvance1> ADT? :D
Apr 22 03:17:24 <Tricknology> lol
Apr 22 03:17:27 <Leeds> justdl_: before you start... have you looked through the stuff at d.android.com?
Apr 22 03:17:49 <justdl_> i haven't
Apr 22 03:17:50 <Tricknology> he got here.. i hope so
Apr 22 03:17:54 <Tricknology> doh
Apr 22 03:17:55 <justdl_> i understand some of the backend part etc
Apr 22 03:18:03 <justdl_> but when it comes to actual coding etc, im afraid that is beyond me
Apr 22 03:18:29 <Tricknology> do you know any languages?
Apr 22 03:18:36 <justdl_> i know basic basic java framework
Apr 22 03:18:47 <justdl_> just the stuff you find in little tutorials, really high level stuff etc
Apr 22 03:18:55 <Tricknology> thats's a good start, android is java based
Apr 22 03:18:59 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:19:19 <justdl_> my whole thing is the amt of time it would take to learn vs paying a developer
Apr 22 03:19:26 <Tricknology> if you wanna start somewhere, follow the vogella tutorials
Apr 22 03:19:28 <Tricknology> aah
Apr 22 03:19:47 <Tricknology> it's been about 2.5 years for me, and i'm still a newb
Apr 22 03:20:24 <Tricknology> but i'm a student so I don't spend all my time developing.
Apr 22 03:20:26 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:20:35 <Maziz> justdl_: whats the dateline?
Apr 22 03:20:38 <Tricknology> it depends on what you're doing as well.
Apr 22 03:20:40 <Maziz> you try to achieve?
Apr 22 03:20:54 <justdl_> maziz - it really just all depends, im not pressed for a really quick release or anything. im just curious what development costs actually look like etc
Apr 22 03:21:04 <justdl_> i dont want to get hosed either obviously
Apr 22 03:21:16 <Maziz> well many variables in the way
Apr 22 03:21:20 <justdl_> for sure
Apr 22 03:21:23 <Maziz> scope, time constraint
Apr 22 03:21:26 <justdl_> true
Apr 22 03:21:31 <lasserix> justdl_ if you will end up spending more and more time working with developers, learning to develop will be beneficial too
Apr 22 03:21:33 <StingRay_> get it done for pennies  http://www.freelancer.com/
Apr 22 03:21:45 <StingRay_> pennies = cents
Apr 22 03:21:46 <justdl_> definitely
Apr 22 03:21:47 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 03:21:48 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:21:56 <Maziz> long term wise, you better learn, short and medium term i suggest get a dev
Apr 22 03:22:00 <Maziz> and learn together with him
Apr 22 03:22:00 <justdl_> are there any good devs on freelancer sites etc? heh
Apr 22 03:22:20 <StingRay_> justdl_: yeah
Apr 22 03:22:25 <StingRay_> and there are reviews
Apr 22 03:22:25 <justdl_> hm
Apr 22 03:22:38 <StingRay_> and examples of their work
Apr 22 03:22:40 <justdl_> whats an avg dev earn per hour on fl.com? heh
Apr 22 03:22:51 <StingRay_> dunno
Apr 22 03:22:55 <StingRay_> have a look
Apr 22 03:23:41 <lasserix> a guy i know who had around a decade of programming exp before mobile, spent 2 or 3 years earlier on and was able to get contracts for 50-100$us/h
Apr 22 03:24:04 <justdl_> damn
Apr 22 03:24:04 <justdl_> heh
Apr 22 03:24:14 <Maziz> experienced
Apr 22 03:24:22 <justdl_> i guess its all relative thoug
Apr 22 03:24:24 <justdl_> er though
Apr 22 03:24:40 <justdl_> i know people tend to look down upon those who get devs overseas etc
Apr 22 03:24:56 <Tricknology> thanks to whomever suggested i dab to my rooted phone.  good friction idea. saved a lot of hassle
Apr 22 03:25:02 <justdl_> any opinions on outsourcing to india/philippines etc?
Apr 22 03:25:07 <lasserix> the neat thing it's still relatively new enterprise ( 10 years? ) and 2/3 of the world is still living offline only :)
Apr 22 03:25:08 <Tricknology> adb*
Apr 22 03:26:15 <lasserix> justdl_ i've heard it is a lot easier working closely with someone if they are local
Apr 22 03:26:21 <justdl_> sure
Apr 22 03:27:54 <lasserix> if you have the money and are trying to build a brand, its easier hire devs and get your app ideas out there
Apr 22 03:28:17 <justdl_> heh
Apr 22 03:28:18 <justdl_> damn
Apr 22 03:28:21 <justdl_> $30/hr in india? haha
Apr 22 03:28:58 <Sonicadvance1> Damn, 3x more than I made with VB.net development :P
Apr 22 03:29:19 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:29:25 <justdl_> say i wanted to develop a calendar app
Apr 22 03:29:47 * StingRay_ has worked with outsourcers olts
Apr 22 03:29:49 <StingRay_> lots*
Apr 22 03:29:58 <StingRay_> even setup a studio for it in manilla
Apr 22 03:30:18 <justdl_> is there a library where a basic template exists, or would it have to be made from scratch?
Apr 22 03:30:43 <justdl_> stingray - you setup a studio in manilla eh? ive heard people talk about that before, whats the cost of devs over there?
Apr 22 03:31:18 <StingRay_> well the relational figures were £350-400 per month skilled eq.
Apr 22 03:31:32 <StingRay_> compared to inhouse £1800 - £2500
Apr 22 03:31:52 <StingRay_> and that £400 was very high for the studio
Apr 22 03:32:13 <StingRay_> so sometimes can get away with £250-300
Apr 22 03:32:13 <justdl_> whoa
Apr 22 03:32:15 <justdl_> thats ridiculous
Apr 22 03:32:16 <StingRay_> depends
Apr 22 03:32:17 <justdl_> are these people actually capable?
Apr 22 03:32:29 <StingRay_> yes and ish
Apr 22 03:32:31 <StingRay_> there is a mix
Apr 22 03:32:39 <justdl_> ish?
Apr 22 03:32:44 <justdl_> ah
Apr 22 03:32:51 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:32:57 <StingRay_> the one thing that was lacking is the local ability to figure out talent from amateur
Apr 22 03:33:04 <StingRay_> as in a senior presence
Apr 22 03:33:12 <justdl_> heh
Apr 22 03:33:18 <StingRay_> hence why my 1st job was to get rid of the studio head
Apr 22 03:33:22 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:33:27 <StingRay_> well replace them with some1 from the UK
Apr 22 03:33:35 <justdl_> many app studios in manila?
Apr 22 03:33:42 <StingRay_> this was console games
Apr 22 03:33:46 <justdl_> ah
Apr 22 03:33:49 <StingRay_> I'm newaish to app dev
Apr 22 03:33:52 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:34:00 <justdl_> my question is this - say i want to develop a calendar app
Apr 22 03:34:07 <justdl_> how would the development starT?
Apr 22 03:34:19 <justdl_> is it something that would need to be built from scratch, or does a library with tempates exist? heh
Apr 22 03:34:23 <StingRay_> depends if you do it ad-hoc way or a proper dev way
Apr 22 03:34:28 <justdl_> ad-hoc?
Apr 22 03:34:40 <StingRay_> well in appDev many devs think of an idea
Apr 22 03:34:43 <StingRay_> and start
Apr 22 03:34:52 <StingRay_> little or no development plan
Apr 22 03:34:54 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:35:11 <StingRay_> very little design and such
Apr 22 03:35:11 <justdl_> really im referring to the technical side of things
Apr 22 03:35:21 <justdl_> from design > to the calendar > storing data for different dates > etc
Apr 22 03:35:33 <StingRay_> thats very very easy and quick
Apr 22 03:35:38 <justdl_> yeah?
Apr 22 03:35:40 <justdl_> how so
Apr 22 03:35:40 <StingRay_> but thats not the point
Apr 22 03:35:47 <StingRay_> how so?
Apr 22 03:35:50 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:35:50 <justdl_> how so?
Apr 22 03:35:51 <justdl_> heh
Apr 22 03:36:05 <justdl_> say i wanted to develop such an app, how would a dev start for example? heh
Apr 22 03:36:11 <StingRay_> well it's like me saying, how much to build a car
Apr 22 03:36:15 <tnzr> justdl_: Android is just a framework, and it can do all kinds of stuff already that you are thinking of doing
Apr 22 03:36:25 <StingRay_> do I have to manufacture the parts ? not really
Apr 22 03:36:36 <StingRay_> and the time/quality is subjective
Apr 22 03:36:42 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:36:45 <StingRay_> so there is no answer to your question
Apr 22 03:36:50 <justdl_> yeah
Apr 22 03:36:56 <StingRay_> and if some1 does say… oh its this much this long
Apr 22 03:37:00 <StingRay_> they talk sh*t
Apr 22 03:37:02 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 03:37:02 <justdl_> yeh
Apr 22 03:37:04 <justdl_> er yeha
Apr 22 03:37:17 <justdl_> any good development programs similar to an e-z html builder? heh
Apr 22 03:37:29 <justdl_> obviously they are limited in their capabilities etc
Apr 22 03:37:31 <StingRay_> there is a reason that as a designer you develop communication skills
Apr 22 03:38:08 <StingRay_> really you want a tech design doc and a design doc
Apr 22 03:38:19 <StingRay_> the size is relative to the app complexity
Apr 22 03:38:46 <StingRay_> but the important thing is, that communicates with minimal variance, the app in it's realised form
Apr 22 03:39:07 <tnzr> are android developers really that hard to come by? I keep hearing this around, that it's hard to find them
Apr 22 03:39:24 <justdl_> ^^
Apr 22 03:39:35 <justdl_> same question as above
Apr 22 03:39:43 <justdl_> are developers really that difficult to come by? heh
Apr 22 03:39:43 <StingRay_> well I'm one that will be freelancing soon
Apr 22 03:39:48 <StingRay_> and I know of many
Apr 22 03:39:54 <StingRay_> so I would not say that
Apr 22 03:40:08 <justdl_> really? heh
Apr 22 03:40:19 <tnzr> yeah
Apr 22 03:40:24 <tnzr> that's kind of how I feel
Apr 22 03:40:31 <StingRay_> this is the UK though
Apr 22 03:40:41 <tnzr> but I've had ppl tell me that they can't find good android ppl outside of the bay area
Apr 22 03:40:43 <tnzr> oh I see
Apr 22 03:40:45 <StingRay_> so maybe it's harder in other countries
Apr 22 03:41:04 <justdl_> <-- lives in the bay area
Apr 22 03:41:24 <tnzr> justdl_: have you looked? can you speak to that? :)
Apr 22 03:43:44 <g00s> hmm; so i guess core.autocrlf was the old way of handling crlf normalization in git (as of 1.7.2, they recommend another system). i guess typically the only binary files would be pngs soooo , * text=auto and *.png binary should be fine for .gitattributes, right ?
Apr 22 03:46:59 <justdl_> i haven't looked for devs really
Apr 22 03:47:09 <justdl_> any good app building platforms?
Apr 22 03:47:17 <carbohydrate> Does anyone know why on a Nexus 4 it looks like the widget size is calculated with a width of 86 instead of 80?
Apr 22 03:47:26 <justdl_> er
Apr 22 03:47:27 <g00s> justdl_: i remember an old book called App Savvy
Apr 22 03:47:34 <g00s> never read it
Apr 22 03:47:38 <justdl_> any good app building platforms that don't require any coding experience?
Apr 22 03:47:43 <carbohydrate> Every doc I can find says to use 80x100, but using 80 for the width results in the wrong size
Apr 22 03:48:07 <g00s> justdl_: learn to code !
Apr 22 03:48:36 <StingRay_> g00s: learn to draw !
Apr 22 03:48:38 <StingRay_> ;)
Apr 22 03:48:45 <g00s> StingRay_: i am :)
Apr 22 03:48:49 <StingRay_> dam
Apr 22 03:49:03 <g00s> my lots of people in my family were artists; my frandfather worked for UA
Apr 22 03:49:16 <StingRay_> you know whats worse the the expect crappy programmer art ?
Apr 22 03:49:28 <StingRay_> unexpected slightly better programmer art
Apr 22 03:49:32 <ron_frown> oi oi oi
Apr 22 03:49:35 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:49:52 <justdl_> the problem with learning to code is that im not an academic, and it would take too long to learn how to code on a reasonable level
Apr 22 03:50:01 <g00s> 10 years
Apr 22 03:50:11 <ron_frown> I got my coworker up to a reasonable speed in about 4mo
Apr 22 03:50:12 <Leeds> academic?
Apr 22 03:50:19 <justdl_> it makes more sense to just pay someone versus learning myself
Apr 22 03:50:20 <ron_frown> sure he was at a job where he was required to do it
Apr 22 03:50:29 <ron_frown> only problem now is hes got a HUGE HUGE unfounded ego
Apr 22 03:50:37 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 03:50:38 <ron_frown> I didnt mean to teach him that part ;-)
Apr 22 03:51:20 <lasserix> any of the sketch apps for android tablets any good?
Apr 22 03:51:50 <justdl_> what are the limitations of most of these app building platforms which require no coding experience? heh
Apr 22 03:51:52 <StingRay_> lasserix: good for what ?
Apr 22 03:52:03 <StingRay_> real skectching ?
Apr 22 03:52:08 <StingRay_> or just scribbles
Apr 22 03:52:34 <StingRay_> justdl_:  the output is crap
Apr 22 03:52:51 <lasserix> real sketching
Apr 22 03:52:56 <g00s> lasserix: AutoDesk sketchbook gets good reviews
Apr 22 03:53:08 <lasserix> or at least something to digitize the art of real sketching easily
Apr 22 03:53:20 <StingRay_> lasserix: then no, cause they are neither accurate or have preassure
Apr 22 03:53:59 <lasserix> ahh i thought there was a workaround for that
Apr 22 03:54:27 <StingRay_> no walkaround for capacative accuracy or lack of preassure sensing
Apr 22 03:54:50 <g00s> yeah i wish i had a wacom tablet
Apr 22 03:55:00 * StingRay_ looks at his tables and his multiple wacom tablets….. (I love you all)
Apr 22 03:55:06 <tnzr> haha
Apr 22 03:55:41 <StingRay_> tell you what. I gave g/f a intuos 3 and she broke the pen, £70 to replace
Apr 22 03:55:45 <StingRay_> rip off
Apr 22 03:56:45 <StingRay_> I have a a3 one here, thats very accurate
Apr 22 04:10:03 <lasserix> Anyone know the key short cut to copy and paste current line on next line in eclipse?
Apr 22 04:10:19 <justdl_> blah
Apr 22 04:20:16 <g00s> justdl_: i think there is a new book from Pragmatic Programmers called "Outsource it"
Apr 22 04:21:00 <g00s> http://pragprog.com/book/nkout/outsource-it
Apr 22 04:21:14 <g00s> maybe that will help
Apr 22 04:27:25 <justdl_> ah
Apr 22 04:27:26 <justdl_> nice book
Apr 22 04:27:29 <Maziz> interesting
Apr 22 04:27:57 <justdl_> i wonder what is the likelihood of an idea getting stolen when outsourcing overseas etc
Apr 22 04:28:33 <g00s> if its a good idea, somebody is already working on it :)
Apr 22 04:28:40 <justdl_> haha
Apr 22 04:28:46 <justdl_> i mean its true
Apr 22 04:28:48 <justdl_> but seriously
Apr 22 04:29:04 <justdl_> i sort of feel like people are really pessimistic about the chances of an app actually succeeding
Apr 22 04:29:09 <justdl_> i see tons of shit apps that are well ranked all the time
Apr 22 04:29:15 <justdl_> they werent the first to the marketplace either
Apr 22 04:33:37 <lasserix> future vacations will be in the past
Apr 22 04:34:12 <g00s> lasserix: woa, that was profound!
Apr 22 04:34:30 <lasserix> yeah i am full of it tonight ;p
Apr 22 04:35:35 <lasserix> finally calculated that the nearly full glass of french press sitting on the desk contains the equivalent caffiene of 13.6 seperate cans of soda
Apr 22 04:37:13 <g00s> lasserix: the question is, what version of CYP1A2 and AHR genes you have :)
Apr 22 04:39:34 <Sonicadvance1> lasserix, French Press is a coffee making machine though, I'm missing something
Apr 22 04:40:25 <lasserix> that's what i thought a 'press pot' was called, maybe just a marketting thing on the box
Apr 22 04:40:32 <alex_PP> i think by french press, he's refering to some french pressed coffee
Apr 22 04:40:39 <Sonicadvance1> Could be
Apr 22 04:41:06 <alex_PP> i love my bodum
Apr 22 04:41:19 <alex_PP> couldn't get through the day without it
Apr 22 04:41:46 <lasserix> goos: interesting! "because one of the genes we identified wasn't put there just to metabolize caffeine. It does a lot of other stuff, like metabolize compounds of cancer and also a whole long list of drugs." http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/genetics/articles/2011/04/06/coffee-addiction-may-be-grounded-in-genes
Apr 22 04:42:40 <lasserix> funny that the Enlightment in europe coincides with the rise of coffee houses :D
Apr 22 04:42:50 <lasserix> *there
Apr 22 04:48:04 <Sonicadvance1> alex_PP, I've been thinking about buying a bodum
Apr 22 04:48:37 <alex_PP> once you go bodum you never go generic kitchen brand
Apr 22 04:49:16 <alex_PP> a touch pricey though
Apr 22 04:49:59 <Sonicadvance1> They look like decent french presses though
Apr 22 04:50:42 <alex_PP> at work i'm a bit of a slob and chuck some ground coffee in a 1lt jug with water and wait for it to settle
Apr 22 04:50:59 <alex_PP> does the same job
Apr 22 04:51:08 <Sonicadvance1> haha
Apr 22 04:51:16 <alex_PP> the press is more convenient though, just don't want it to get smashed
Apr 22 04:53:51 <lasserix> anyone try the capsule machine made coffee?
Apr 22 04:54:02 <alex_PP> yeah, it was awful
Apr 22 04:54:07 <lasserix> yeah i bet
Apr 22 04:54:08 <alex_PP> but some are meant to be better
Apr 22 04:54:27 <alex_PP> it was in a rental holiday house, so not the best
Apr 22 04:57:52 <justdl_> any recommended reads for someone wanting to learn about general app development, but who has no coding experience? heh
Apr 22 04:58:44 <lasserix> justdl_ search *.edu sites for courses teaching java programming with android app development
Apr 22 04:58:47 <justdl_> http://www.kilobolt.com/game-development-tutorial.html -- <--- came across this
Apr 22 05:42:55 <StingRay_> i like the style (visual and anim) of candy crush
Apr 22 05:43:18 <StingRay_> I hope the thing fails though, pay to play time limited/life limit is a horrible model
Apr 22 05:44:27 <ron_frown> $$$$$$$$$
Apr 22 05:44:34 <ron_frown> all apparently *ANYONE* cares about anymore
Apr 22 05:44:55 <ron_frown> long gone are the buy once and play until next better version comes out goes away
Apr 22 05:44:58 <kevinb> my wife plays it all the time, she complains about having to buy the level packs but still does it
Apr 22 05:45:00 <Sonicadvance1> Being jobless, some money would be nice :P
Apr 22 05:45:17 <StingRay_> well I think if it were $2 on market I would buy it
Apr 22 05:45:27 <ron_frown> sad thing is that I dont have a problem with the potential usages wiht in app purchases and subscriptions
Apr 22 05:45:30 <StingRay_> but that model is just sad
Apr 22 05:45:33 <ron_frown> I just think people abuse the fuck out of them
Apr 22 05:45:48 <StingRay_> not for games
Apr 22 05:45:52 <ron_frown> exactly
Apr 22 05:45:59 <StingRay_> pay to play (time life) just takes the piss
Apr 22 05:46:06 <ron_frown> subscription for something that truly provides value you'd want to pay for monthly etc
Apr 22 05:46:08 <ron_frown> sure
Apr 22 05:46:09 <kevinb> i don't like the model either, but it clearly works, look at Top Grossing versus Top Paid. Grossing is basically all in-app-purchases
Apr 22 05:46:28 <ron_frown> again
Apr 22 05:46:30 <ron_frown> $$$
Apr 22 05:46:32 <ron_frown> $$$$$
Apr 22 05:46:35 <ron_frown> all that matters
Apr 22 05:46:55 <StingRay_> i can honestly say $$$$$ matters little to me
Apr 22 05:47:05 <StingRay_> in desperate need of some £££££ thought :)
Apr 22 05:47:06 <ron_frown> it took american care companies a long itme to realize that not completely nickel and diming the SHIT out of people didnt work
Apr 22 05:47:19 <ron_frown> car
Apr 22 05:47:26 <ron_frown> I chose to provide value
Apr 22 05:47:33 <ron_frown> and not as much profits... honestly
Apr 22 05:47:48 <StingRay_> ron_frown: what apps you got out ?
Apr 22 05:47:52 <lasserix> yeah its just too bad the pinnacle of what popular smart device use is something like angry birds or candy crush
Apr 22 05:48:10 <ron_frown> StingRay_ I build apps for a corporation
Apr 22 05:48:20 <StingRay_> ah, thats diff then
Apr 22 05:48:24 <ron_frown> thats really just a complement to our desktop/server software
Apr 22 05:48:28 <ron_frown> but thats what I am saying
Apr 22 05:48:49 <ron_frown> I'm sitting on some tech right now that I really believe could be a huge development in big data arena
Apr 22 05:49:02 <ron_frown> and I'm not trying to sit here and think about how can I make the absolute most money off it
Apr 22 05:49:06 <borillion> when we are  building a test kernel initramfs and we copy things like /dev/null etc, does it matter that they are from the host machine that is a different architecture?
Apr 22 05:49:24 <ron_frown> no borillion
Apr 22 05:49:30 <ron_frown> you cross compile to that shit anyway
Apr 22 05:49:55 <borillion> ron_frown, Ok got it
Apr 22 05:49:59 <borillion> thanks
Apr 22 05:50:02 <ron_frown> np
Apr 22 05:53:47 <StingRay_> well in app purchase is a big fat fail for rovio and my experience
Apr 22 05:54:05 <StingRay_> charged 3 times, time outs, already purchased and no content
Apr 22 05:54:08 <StingRay_> sweet
Apr 22 05:54:23 <g00s> would that be more an issue with IAP ?
Apr 22 05:54:43 <StingRay_> dunno
Apr 22 05:54:52 <StingRay_> I know when I click details on the error
Apr 22 05:55:03 <StingRay_> takes me to playStore and throws null pointer
Apr 22 05:55:06 <StingRay_> sweet
Apr 22 05:55:30 <g00s> i think google wants you to use ads instead :)
Apr 22 05:56:08 <lasserix> problem is ads can't be integrated into a clean ui
Apr 22 05:56:37 <StingRay_> they can, but not without the user dismissing a FS add
Apr 22 05:56:56 <ron_frown> why cant in app purchases be used for shit like I want to place an order for a taxi ride or something actually useful
Apr 22 05:57:38 <lasserix>  i personally don't want to corrupt the expirience of any app i develop with ads on the sides
Apr 22 05:58:00 <ron_frown> too bad google cant get into a product placement API
Apr 22 05:58:07 <StingRay_> lasserix: so how would you generate rev ?
Apr 22 05:58:23 <ron_frown> eg, game character could go into the fridge or something and textures for cans in there could be payed for by coke
Apr 22 05:58:25 <ron_frown> or whatever
Apr 22 05:59:02 <StingRay_> if it was always gonna be coke then yeah, thats poss
Apr 22 05:59:11 <StingRay_> there have been a few attempts in console games too
Apr 22 05:59:39 <g00s> or you open the fridge, and there is a bottle of lamesauce there
Apr 22 05:59:47 <ron_frown> true true
Apr 22 05:59:48 <ron_frown> I am just saying
Apr 22 05:59:56 <ron_frown> not as in your face advertising
Apr 22 06:00:09 <ron_frown> a fucking add taking up 1/8th your already limited screen realestate
Apr 22 06:00:10 <lasserix> well since i am of the belief advertising in general is a scam, and internet advertising is largely a racket, the honest way to market an app is a free version that provides core functionality for anyone who wants to use the app, and a paid version poised as an in-app upgrade that makes the app even better
Apr 22 06:00:16 <ron_frown> or lets throw an add between game scenes
Apr 22 06:00:18 <g00s> or if you are overweight, the fridge doesn't open at all
Apr 22 06:00:22 <ron_frown> haah
Apr 22 06:00:25 <g00s> i'm sure google knows your weight :)
Apr 22 06:00:39 <lasserix> hehe
Apr 22 06:00:44 <StingRay_> g00s: I dont even know my weight
Apr 22 06:00:51 <StingRay_> or height for that matter
Apr 22 06:00:58 <StingRay_> maybe I should ask google
Apr 22 06:01:26 <lasserix> StingRay_ dont worry somewhere in a sealed chamber one of Tom's Cruise clones is using his finger interface to analyze your exact metabolic profile
Apr 22 06:01:41 <g00s> google knows if you are pregnant before you do too :)
Apr 22 06:01:41 <lasserix> *deep in google's underground secret research facility
Apr 22 06:02:25 <kevinb> g00s: I think that's Target not Google (assuming you're referencing that article)
Apr 22 06:02:30 <ron_frown> I just believe in a much more genuine user experience...  good intentions
Apr 22 06:02:38 <g00s> kevinb: yeah
Apr 22 06:02:38 <lasserix> yeah exactly
Apr 22 06:03:29 <ron_frown> as a business person I think I've got an old fashioned view on business
Apr 22 06:03:41 <ron_frown> people come back because you provide over the top serivce
Apr 22 06:03:46 <ron_frown> and a better prodcut
Apr 22 06:04:41 <Tricknology> anyone know why boolean success = SensorManager.getRotationMatrix(R, I, mGravity, mGeomagnetic); would return false?
Apr 22 06:05:19 <Tricknology> device is not in freefall
Apr 22 06:05:26 <hackkitten> hi g00s o/
Apr 22 06:05:34 <g00s> hey hackkitten !
Apr 22 06:05:35 <Tricknology> unless the sensor is broken D-:
Apr 22 06:06:00 <g00s> hackkitten: done with your vhdl thing ?
Apr 22 06:06:10 <hackkitten> nope~
Apr 22 06:06:13 <hackkitten> so much work D:
Apr 22 06:06:22 <hackkitten> I started doing iOS freelance work instead :o
Apr 22 06:06:25 * hackkitten blushes~
Apr 22 06:06:34 <g00s> :)
Apr 22 06:06:41 <g00s> i'm porting my app to ios too
Apr 22 06:06:41 * hackkitten cackles madly~
Apr 22 06:06:54 <ron_frown> apple makes me shudder
Apr 22 06:06:55 <hackkitten> iOS has to be one of the worst inventions after Windows CE
Apr 22 06:06:57 <g00s> geese and kittens cackling at the sky ...
Apr 22 06:06:59 <ron_frown> I generally like c++
Apr 22 06:07:00 <hackkitten> :D
Apr 22 06:07:05 * hackkitten loves C++
Apr 22 06:07:12 <g00s> hackkitten: you would like BB10
Apr 22 06:07:17 <ron_frown> but apple and their auschwitz lockdown dev environment
Apr 22 06:07:18 <hackkitten> Obj-C is a mad conglomeration of a statically and dynamically typed language
Apr 22 06:07:25 <ron_frown> g00s I'd say love /hate
Apr 22 06:07:26 <hackkitten> the unholy love child of C and SmallTalk
Apr 22 06:07:27 <ron_frown> I played with it
Apr 22 06:07:32 <Sonicadvance1> Anyone knows if those "facebook" style sidemenus would work with a OpenGL surface being used on one of the sides?
Apr 22 06:07:34 <ron_frown> the cascades c++ shit
Apr 22 06:08:34 <lasserix> Sonicadvance1 probably just route your touch events properly
Apr 22 06:08:37 <g00s> i wish WP would stop sucking in market share
Apr 22 06:08:48 <ron_frown> g00s fuck ms too
Apr 22 06:08:58 <ron_frown> I just spent two days fighting windows licensing issues
Apr 22 06:08:59 <g00s> ron_frown: fuck everybody :)
Apr 22 06:09:04 <ron_frown> for a new computer with legit licenses
Apr 22 06:09:06 <ron_frown> go figure
Apr 22 06:09:12 <lasserix> Sonicadvance1 and you could probably capture the surface to a bitmap, pause the rendering and just cover the surfaceview with the bitmap while the sidemenu is out
Apr 22 06:09:17 <ron_frown> fixed the problem by upgrading to windows 7 (from windows 8)
Apr 22 06:09:41 <Sonicadvance1> lasserix, Interesting idea
Apr 22 06:10:20 <hackkitten> g00s: you think BB10 stands a chance? :)
Apr 22 06:10:28 <ron_frown> I do
Apr 22 06:10:29 <g00s> hackkitten: but here you are, back in Android land XD
Apr 22 06:10:34 <hackkitten> of course
Apr 22 06:10:38 <hackkitten> I'm also an Android dev :)
Apr 22 06:10:39 <ron_frown> I think they'll need to work on hardware etc
Apr 22 06:10:44 <ron_frown> but they do have some nice things
Apr 22 06:10:53 * hackkitten wears many hats, not all of them with Hello Kitty on them
Apr 22 06:10:54 <ron_frown> eg, like 5 diff ways to build apps =)
Apr 22 06:10:56 <lasserix> depends on your use: though its not recomended, i was using custom view widget overlays on a surface view to handle what happened in the surfaceview and it worked but maybe would not work well enough depending on your application
Apr 22 06:12:21 <g00s> hackkitten: i dunno if it has much chance; i'm not optimistic
Apr 22 06:12:40 * hackkitten nods
Apr 22 06:12:45 <hackkitten> I'm more optimistic about WP
Apr 22 06:13:00 <hackkitten> analysts predict it'll go wipe the floor with iOS the coming years
Apr 22 06:13:03 <hackkitten> wouldn't shock me
Apr 22 06:13:16 <hackkitten> sale numbers for WP8 are on the uptick :)
Apr 22 06:13:25 <g00s> i was excited … before WP8 came out. i'm surprised it is doing so poorly
Apr 22 06:13:43 <ron_frown> I dont like the user interface
Apr 22 06:13:52 <ron_frown> I really really LIKE the technology stack
Apr 22 06:14:03 <ron_frown> last I looked at it, it was nowhere near as capable as android
Apr 22 06:14:07 <g00s> but … i would like a x86 Surface with Bay Trail chip 8)
Apr 22 06:14:07 <hackkitten> it's better than yet another iOS/Android clone
Apr 22 06:14:13 <hackkitten> :)
Apr 22 06:14:25 <Brando753> we all know facebook phone is where its at
Apr 22 06:14:26 <Brando753> :P
Apr 22 06:14:27 * hackkitten really, really likes Android UIs compared to the way iOS does it, BTW
Apr 22 06:14:35 <hackkitten> no way, Firefox OS :D
Apr 22 06:14:36 <ron_frown> and its never gonna catch on as well as android if its locked down and has crazy licensing fees
Apr 22 06:14:39 <Sonicadvance1> Microsoft and Apple need to stop being punks and disallowing executable memory space :P
Apr 22 06:15:00 <Brando753> Firefox OS would be nice as a replacement for ChromeOS
Apr 22 06:15:02 <Brando753> :D
Apr 22 06:15:06 <g00s> \o/
Apr 22 06:15:06 <ron_frown> they just need to stop being punks in general
Apr 22 06:15:07 <Brando753> but not so much as a phone
Apr 22 06:15:15 <Sonicadvance1> hehe
Apr 22 06:15:21 <ron_frown> I've seen firefox os hardware and I'm not so impressed
Apr 22 06:15:52 <Sonicadvance1> No one is impressed with the hardware
Apr 22 06:16:03 <ron_frown> I'm not impressed with anythign abotu the whole experience
Apr 22 06:16:06 <Sonicadvance1> Same with Blackberry hardware
Apr 22 06:16:21 <Sonicadvance1> OMAP4470 and S4 Plus
Apr 22 06:16:35 <ron_frown> html + js as a sole / primary dev platform has been tried
Apr 22 06:16:41 <ron_frown> maybe 10th time is a charm
Apr 22 06:16:52 <ron_frown> I just dont want it
Apr 22 06:16:56 <Sonicadvance1> WebOS 2.0
Apr 22 06:16:59 <Sonicadvance1> :P
Apr 22 06:17:05 <ron_frown> I think there is a perfectly good place for html5 +js
Apr 22 06:17:07 <Brando753> I actually like the chromebook but I would prefer one with firefox >.>
Apr 22 06:17:13 <ron_frown> and that is not as a replacement for desktop software
Apr 22 06:17:13 <ron_frown> not yet
Apr 22 06:17:21 <Sonicadvance1> I'm on a ARM Chromebook right now
Apr 22 06:17:30 <Brando753> I just got the Acer C7
Apr 22 06:17:38 <Brando753> so it has the 320GB diskspace
Apr 22 06:17:49 <Brando753> thought I would place debian on it right away, but its actually not so bad...
Apr 22 06:17:55 <Sonicadvance1> I've got a 64GB MicroSDXC tucked in to my chromebook atm
Apr 22 06:17:57 <Brando753> so I use it some times
Apr 22 06:18:01 <Brando753> dual boot
Apr 22 06:18:19 <Brando753> though thats probably because I could only get ubuntu and not debian on it >.>
Apr 22 06:18:29 <Brando753> I plan to soon modify that script for debian
Apr 22 06:18:42 <Brando753> but one thing at a time
Apr 22 06:18:43 <Sonicadvance1> I bought a Nifty Minidrive to put in to it so I wouldn't have a SD card sticking out at all times
Apr 22 06:18:44 <Brando753> lol
Apr 22 06:19:03 <Sonicadvance1> cuts like 14mm off the length of a standard SD card
Apr 22 06:19:18 <Sonicadvance1> Doesn't stick out at all now :D
Apr 22 06:19:20 <Brando753> I probably set the record for needing 10 system recoveries of the ChromeOS on that thing for locking it up within the first few hours I got it
Apr 22 06:19:40 <Brando753> I was trying all types of crazy stuff
Apr 22 06:19:40 <Brando753> :P
Apr 22 06:19:46 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, I only have done like ...4?
Apr 22 06:19:58 <Brando753> and that was the first 2~3 hours I had it :P
Apr 22 06:20:13 <Brando753> but for $200 its a nifty little laptop if you can get Debian on it
Apr 22 06:20:23 <Sonicadvance1> Mine was in the first couple days trying to figure out the best way to put a dev environment on to it
Apr 22 06:20:27 <Brando753> and with 320GB hard drive its just like one
Apr 22 06:20:48 <Brando753> dev environment is pretty weak
Apr 22 06:20:48 <Brando753> :/
Apr 22 06:20:56 <Sonicadvance1> Ended up with a Gentoo chroot on my SD card :P
Apr 22 06:21:07 <Brando753> also wish I could add my own production keys to the bootloader
Apr 22 06:22:04 <Sonicadvance1> Meh. Working on ARM specific code, the chromebook is basically the best device you can get your hands on
Apr 22 06:22:39 <Brando753> its very locked down and limited
Apr 22 06:22:41 <Brando753> :/
Apr 22 06:22:47 <Brando753> mine is not arm also >.>
Apr 22 06:22:49 <Brando753> :P
Apr 22 06:23:02 <Sonicadvance1> You can slap Ubuntu on it
Apr 22 06:23:15 <Brando753> I have ubuntu on it
Apr 22 06:23:17 <Sonicadvance1> Although I just kill the Google UI and run TWM
Apr 22 06:23:29 <Brando753> I feel like Ubuntu is just a broken Debian >.>
Apr 22 06:23:38 <Brando753> <.<
Apr 22 06:23:42 <Sonicadvance1> Could be
Apr 22 06:23:44 <Brando753> it is
Apr 22 06:23:46 <Brando753> lol
Apr 22 06:23:56 <Sonicadvance1> I dunno though, I just run ChromeOS with TWM :P
Apr 22 06:24:02 <Brando753> I have both
Apr 22 06:24:12 <Brando753> made a simple little script to choose boot after restart
Apr 22 06:24:17 <Sonicadvance1> nice
Apr 22 06:24:42 <Brando753> yea, its not great, but for $200....
Apr 22 06:24:44 <Brando753> lol
Apr 22 06:24:47 <Brando753> I could not refuse
Apr 22 06:25:07 <Brando753> the only things I really dont like are: bootloader, now ODF support on ChromeOS, google
Apr 22 06:25:08 <Brando753> :P
Apr 22 06:25:13 <Brando753> *no
Apr 22 06:25:22 <owen1> is it possible to build an app that broadcast a bluetooth message every minute and any other near-by device with the app will recieve it?
Apr 22 06:25:38 <Brando753> the fact that google docs supported ODF and then they intentionally removed it really annoys me
Apr 22 06:25:48 <Brando753> enough to the point I would not recommend a chromebook
Apr 22 06:25:57 <Leeds> it's actually a weird thing for them to do
Apr 22 06:26:08 <JesusFreke> owen1: I think it might be possible, using the unpair bluetooth p2p stuff. It would likely be bad for the battery though :)
Apr 22 06:26:16 <Sonicadvance1> Brando753, I don't recommend a chromebook to anyone at this point :P
Apr 22 06:26:28 <Brando753> to remove support of an ISO standard they helped establish is just political
Apr 22 06:26:33 <Brando753> Sonicadvance1: you dont like it?
Apr 22 06:26:41 <Brando753> Sonicadvance1: its actually not so bad for what most people do
Apr 22 06:26:58 <owen1> JesusFreke: why bad? because of the 1 minute frequency or becaouse of keeping BT open?
Apr 22 06:27:00 <Brando753> I might fork the OS and add some things I would want in it and run with that
Apr 22 06:27:16 <Brando753> and give that to anyone who wants it
Apr 22 06:27:31 <Brando753> some local programs is not a bad thing
Apr 22 06:27:39 <Brando753> they took "cloud" to the extreme
Apr 22 06:27:41 <Brando753> lol
Apr 22 06:27:43 <JesusFreke> owen1: anything that wakes up the device every minute is going to be bad. And then doing BT stuff every minute is likely to be bad.
Apr 22 06:27:49 <Sonicadvance1> Eh. I'm a hater and the little things are annoying
Apr 22 06:28:03 <Brando753> even for the price Sonicadvance1?>
Apr 22 06:28:15 <Brando753> price is just so....hard to turn down
Apr 22 06:28:26 <Sonicadvance1> Buy a $250 laptop that is on clearence :P
Apr 22 06:28:38 <Brando753> Sonicadvance1: wont be same specs :P
Apr 22 06:28:47 <Brando753> most likely will be refurbished
Apr 22 06:28:50 <Brando753> or floor model
Apr 22 06:28:51 <Brando753> >.>
Apr 22 06:28:58 <Sonicadvance1> A celeron and a Cortex-A15?
Apr 22 06:29:08 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, sorry that most things have at least Core i3 now :P
Apr 22 06:29:09 <Brando753> and still thats $50 more then I spent
Apr 22 06:30:02 <Sonicadvance1> It could be that the ARM chromebook never getting OpenGL ES 3 drivers has annoyed me to the point that I don't want to recommend it
Apr 22 06:30:34 <Brando753> I dont have arm version :P
Apr 22 06:30:37 <Brando753> and I paid less :P
Apr 22 06:30:39 <Brando753> :P
Apr 22 06:30:46 <owen1> JesusFreke: is there an alternative BT? GPS might not be accurate for finding people in the same room + there is a privacy concern.
Apr 22 06:31:16 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, I was just looking for a upgrade from a ODROID-X, and something in laptop form was super appealing
Apr 22 06:32:50 <ron_frown> I litearlly booted my odroid x one time
Apr 22 06:32:55 <ron_frown> and its been collecting dust since
Apr 22 06:33:31 <Sonicadvance1> odroid-x was one heck of a upgrade from a Pandaboard with OMAP4430 :D
Apr 22 06:34:19 <ron_frown> yeah I was just mad that it was a android device etc
Apr 22 06:34:30 <ron_frown> then the dudes basically maintained every linux distro they could BUT android
Apr 22 06:34:55 <ron_frown> partially because samsung was acting a fool
Apr 22 06:35:52 <owen1> JesusFreke: also, do the recivers of the BT message have to click on something when they recieve the message or can i set it up so the app 'recieve' the message without interference from the user?
Apr 22 06:36:50 <Sonicadvance1> ron_frown, I guess it doesn't bother me as much since I try to deal with Android the least I can
Apr 22 06:37:31 <Sonicadvance1> One reason why I'm making a OpenGL interface instead of ui native Android UI things :p
Apr 22 06:38:09 <kroot> Sonicadvance1: oh, cool, how are you handling i18n?
Apr 22 06:39:18 <g00s> i use i19n
Apr 22 06:39:49 <Sonicadvance1> kroot, For the few things that will be in Japanese, I'm doing nothing :P
Apr 22 06:40:11 <g00s> doing nothing … usually works :P
Apr 22 06:40:57 <Sonicadvance1> Will just be a few game titles in a couple other languages so meh
Apr 22 06:43:30 <ron_frown> Sonicadvance1 what do you mean
Apr 22 06:43:40 <ron_frown> android + c++, + gl?
Apr 22 06:43:53 <Sonicadvance1> yea
Apr 22 06:44:00 <ron_frown> got any screenshots of your toolkit?
Apr 22 06:44:34 <Sonicadvance1> oh. Not a toolkit, sorry. Just a application with the interface with OpenGL :P
Apr 22 06:44:43 <ron_frown> got screenies of that then?
Apr 22 06:44:50 <ron_frown> I have pretty much the same complaints
Apr 22 06:45:09 <ron_frown> it seems like the coolkid thing to do these days is basically steal all the infrastructure android got
Apr 22 06:45:13 <ron_frown> for kernel/os/update/etc
Apr 22 06:45:18 <ron_frown> then rip off the java and xml shit
Apr 22 06:45:25 <ron_frown> and replace with stuff of their choosing
Apr 22 06:46:11 <Sonicadvance1> eh, It's just garbage video game coding, nothing really to do >>
Apr 22 06:46:14 <Leeds> because android runs on relatively cheap consumer general-purpose hardware, unlike pretty much every other ARM Linux system ever
Apr 22 06:46:53 <Sonicadvance1> I may dump it in the future, not sure yet
Apr 22 06:47:48 <kroot> ron_frown: most people can't do it themselves.. takes too much time
Apr 22 06:48:11 <Sonicadvance1> Being that I quit my job last week, I've got plenty of time xD
Apr 22 06:48:56 <Sonicadvance1> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2mTNE31f5JTRVVZQllMSjdQUk0/edit?usp=sharing ron_frown, just a simple gawdy file selector
Apr 22 06:49:07 <ron_frown> haha
Apr 22 06:49:07 <Sonicadvance1> Could do the same thing with a listview that has images in it
Apr 22 06:49:11 <ron_frown> better whtn what I got going on =)
Apr 22 06:49:48 <kroot> I want listview replaced with that
Apr 22 06:50:03 <JesusFreke> kroot++
Apr 22 06:50:11 <JesusFreke> I think this should be available to every application
Apr 22 06:50:23 <kroot> mind if I show this to matias duarte
Apr 22 06:50:41 <Sonicadvance1> kroot, Figure out how to run a GLSL shader behind a transparent listview :P
Apr 22 06:50:44 <Sonicadvance1> sure w/e
Apr 22 06:50:58 <Sonicadvance1> That was just a result of a days worth of pluggin
Apr 22 06:51:37 <g00s> that looks better than Gingerbread ….
Apr 22 06:51:46 <kroot> I feel like it needs more dolphins, but maybe that's because they're static
Apr 22 06:51:48 <ron_frown> hahaha
Apr 22 06:51:58 <ron_frown> honestly people may talk
Apr 22 06:52:00 <kroot> do you have a video of it
Apr 22 06:52:03 <ron_frown> but I'd say at least you got something
Apr 22 06:52:04 <ron_frown> progress
Apr 22 06:52:17 <ron_frown> I found gl to be a huge pita to deal with and never really gave it much time
Apr 22 06:52:39 <kroot> Sonicadvance1: are you using immediate mode?
Apr 22 06:52:40 <Sonicadvance1> kroot, nope
Apr 22 06:52:48 <Sonicadvance1> GLES1 is garbage
Apr 22 06:52:55 <ron_frown> well thats ti guys
Apr 22 06:53:10 <ron_frown> I successfully upgraded from win8 to win7 so my work for the day is done
Apr 22 06:53:14 <ron_frown> tomorrow will probably suck badly
Apr 22 06:53:38 <Sonicadvance1> Waiting for my Galaxy S4 on Saturday to get to play around with GLES 3
Apr 22 06:55:37 <Sonicadvance1> Now that I've gotten this far though, I should probably play around with a listview to get a list with images instead of this crazy OpenGL nonsense
Apr 22 06:56:35 <ron_frown> man bank of america scared the living fuck out of me today
Apr 22 06:56:58 <ron_frown> something happened with them approving transactions... so my regular acct debit failed trying to buy two 5$ bags of rocks
Apr 22 06:57:08 <ron_frown> then I say fuck it thats weird but put it on my bofa cc
Apr 22 06:57:10 <ron_frown> same shit
Apr 22 06:57:18 <ron_frown> embarassing as fuck, so I head home
Apr 22 06:57:25 <ron_frown> accounts are all in good standing with PLENTY of cash in them
Apr 22 06:58:30 <Sonicadvance1> People get embarrassed about banks messing up?
Apr 22 06:58:44 <ron_frown> I got declined for a fucking 10$ purchase
Apr 22 06:58:55 <ron_frown> I knew it was a fuckup, but thinking maybe someone cleaned my acocunts out
Apr 22 06:59:05 <lasserix> sonicadcance what are you doing with opengl that could be done with a listview?
Apr 22 06:59:08 <ron_frown> I just told that bitch
Apr 22 06:59:13 <ron_frown> here you keep the god damn rocks
Apr 22 06:59:20 <ron_frown> defensively and stormed out of there
Apr 22 06:59:22 <lasserix> are you some kind of masochist coder?
Apr 22 06:59:30 <ron_frown> meh
Apr 22 06:59:34 <Sonicadvance1> lasserix, Game banner + game title
Apr 22 06:59:38 <Sonicadvance1> Maybe a little bit
Apr 22 06:59:42 <lasserix> heh
Apr 22 06:59:43 <ron_frown> I think people that are willing to do things like that
Apr 22 06:59:46 <Sonicadvance1> Got a ball gag and everything :P
Apr 22 06:59:48 <ron_frown> are what progresses technology
Apr 22 06:59:55 <ron_frown> gui toolkits etc
Apr 22 07:00:09 <ron_frown> a gui toolkit built on gl is actually a really good idea
Apr 22 07:00:10 <Sonicadvance1> ron_frown, I'm just a terrible programmer though
Apr 22 07:00:25 <lasserix> ron_frown: yeah agreed
Apr 22 07:00:39 <lasserix> on el es you mean though?
Apr 22 07:00:42 <lasserix> *gl es
Apr 22 07:00:45 <ron_frown> yeah
Apr 22 07:00:55 <ron_frown> I think thats where qt went with the latest shit
Apr 22 07:01:06 <StingRay_> I think it's a horrid idea
Apr 22 07:01:07 <ron_frown> is basically all plopped ontop of 3d frameworks
Apr 22 07:01:12 <StingRay_> as a designer
Apr 22 07:01:22 <ron_frown> well the idea is that you shouldnt have to know shit about the 3d
Apr 22 07:01:26 <ron_frown> android already does some of that
Apr 22 07:01:47 <ron_frown> you can adjust camera on a view and its basically manipulating 3d scenes of 2d objects afaik
Apr 22 07:02:24 <ron_frown> oh well sleepy time for moi
Apr 22 07:02:29 <ron_frown> gnight gentleman
Apr 22 07:02:58 <lasserix> but for instance it should be easy to abstract dumping a bitmap as a texture to 2d ortho viewport and use that at as hud or whatever for the ux to the game or whatever you are using opengl for
Apr 22 07:03:02 <lasserix> night!
Apr 22 07:03:27 <Sonicadvance1> In any case, it is just me trying to get away from coding a proper Android UI using the designer because it is annoying
Apr 22 07:04:33 <StingRay_> Sonicadvance1: what do you find annoying about it ?
Apr 22 07:04:58 * StingRay_ is still wearing his designer/artist/vfx hat
Apr 22 07:06:37 <Sonicadvance1> Seems to be a major buttpain
Apr 22 07:08:03 <Sonicadvance1> Not really sure to be honest. I just have some sort of deep seated hate towards it :P
Apr 22 07:09:49 <lasserix> if you are coding opengl just to display a gamebanner and game title then you are making life waaay more complicated than it needs to be
Apr 22 07:09:53 <Sonicadvance1> ...Why is a Color stored as ARGB? :/
Apr 22 07:10:03 <pfn> why not?
Apr 22 07:10:08 <monsti> i have done enough wpf to use xml instead of a designer
Apr 22 07:10:10 <Sonicadvance1> It can't be RGBA like a sane individual?
Apr 22 07:10:10 <lasserix> because of hue?
Apr 22 07:10:15 <lasserix> oh
Apr 22 07:10:16 <lasserix> ;p
Apr 22 07:10:40 <pfn> because argb is easier to think of logically
Apr 22 07:10:52 <monsti> Sonicadvance1: do you love complaining about facts you can't change?
Apr 22 07:10:57 <Sonicadvance1> Well, sometimes I think I'm a little off :D
Apr 22 07:11:02 <Sonicadvance1> monsti, All the time
Apr 22 07:11:12 <monsti> Sonicadvance1: yeah ;)
Apr 22 07:11:18 <Sonicadvance1> Like why the Arm Chromebook is never getting OGLES3 drivers
Apr 22 07:11:21 <pfn> and it's trivial to convert argb to rgba
Apr 22 07:11:47 <monsti> and it's even more trival to go meta and add names in colors.xml ;)
Apr 22 07:12:07 <Sonicadvance1> Nah, I'll be generating bitmaps with the game banners
Apr 22 07:12:21 <StingRay_> ARGB is nothing to do with hue
Apr 22 07:12:34 <pfn> because 00ffffff is the same as ffffff
Apr 22 07:12:55 <pfn> but ffffff00 is not the same as ffffff
Apr 22 07:13:08 <lasserix> StringRay_ yeah i know i read his statement incorrectly
Apr 22 07:14:03 <Sonicadvance1> See if I can get this to work correctly
Apr 22 07:14:17 <pfn> and the fact that people work primarily with rgb and not alpha
Apr 22 07:15:25 * monsti works for coffee
Apr 22 07:17:21 <pfn> what kind do you like? just got my first coffee machine a couple weeks ago
Apr 22 07:17:52 <pfn> bought some beans today but they're too dark and oily, I'm pretty disappointed
Apr 22 07:18:18 <monsti> i need a combination of coffee machine, app and cute blond who brings the coffee to my desk
Apr 22 07:20:23 * pfn needs some nice latte cups
Apr 22 07:20:56 <pfn> ikea was out of stock on their smaller cups :-/
Apr 22 07:21:43 <monsti> ikea makes girls as horney as two cocktails
Apr 22 07:21:53 <monsti> i don't understand why
Apr 22 07:21:57 <alex_PP> wahey, back to coffee!
Apr 22 07:22:17 <alex_PP> it's the meatballs you get halfway through
Apr 22 07:23:03 <Sonicadvance1> You get meatballs at Ikea?
Apr 22 07:23:13 <pfn> they're aweaome
Apr 22 07:23:16 <timroes> Sonicadvance1: o.O
Apr 22 07:23:19 <monsti> in germany they currently don't sell them ;)
Apr 22 07:23:19 <timroes> you get the best meatballs at ikea
Apr 22 07:23:34 <timroes> yeah just because there is horse meat in it
Apr 22 07:23:38 <Sonicadvance1> I think I need to move closer to a Ikea :P
Apr 22 07:23:52 <timroes> i am disappointed i would have expected to be elk in it
Apr 22 07:23:54 <Sonicadvance1> A two hour drive is too far away from Ikea
Apr 22 07:23:55 <g00s> timroes: horse meat ftw !
Apr 22 07:24:04 <Sonicadvance1> :D
Apr 22 07:24:06 <JesusFreke> should throw in some dolphin too
Apr 22 07:24:16 <JesusFreke> maybe some cat
Apr 22 07:24:25 <g00s> no taxo man !
Apr 22 07:24:25 <timroes> na in original they are made out of elk meat mostly
Apr 22 07:24:41 <timroes> but anyway, kötbular is way better then "regular" meatballs
Apr 22 07:24:52 <timroes> or german 'frikadelle'
Apr 22 07:25:04 <JesusFreke> it's all about the dots above the o's
Apr 22 07:25:18 <JesusFreke> anything with dots above the o's is superior by default
Apr 22 07:25:26 <g00s> spaetzle ftw (also)
Apr 22 07:25:28 <monsti> in o's they have lines ;)
Apr 22 07:25:53 <timroes> JesusFreke: frikadelle could also be Fleischklößchen :)
Apr 22 07:25:59 <timroes> and its still nto superior then Kötbular :D
Apr 22 07:26:06 <timroes> than*
Apr 22 07:26:11 <JesusFreke> timroes: bless you
Apr 22 07:26:36 <g00s> oh, Spätzle with umlauts
Apr 22 07:28:28 <timroes> monsti: sweden doesn't have Ø afaik :)
Apr 22 07:28:47 <lasserix> oh cool you can link youtube videos skipping to a time by appendin #t=0m0s
Apr 22 07:28:57 * alex_PP leans over to look at co-workers craxy keyboard
Apr 22 07:28:58 <timroes> thei only have äöü and å
Apr 22 07:29:07 <alex_PP> it's not there
Apr 22 07:29:13 <timroes> and for ü i am neither sure :)
Apr 22 07:29:44 <alex_PP> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/Keyboard_Layout_Swedish.png
Apr 22 07:29:54 <alex_PP> writing java on these is a real PITA
Apr 22 07:30:10 <Zharf> alex_PP, why?
Apr 22 07:30:16 * Zharf does it...
Apr 22 07:30:18 <alex_PP> all the usful characters are in weird places
Apr 22 07:30:21 <timroes> alex_PP: the braces and such have same position as german keyboard and yeah english one is way nicer to code
Apr 22 07:30:27 <alex_PP> that often need an Alt Gr
Apr 22 07:30:43 <Zharf> alex_PP, oh, I suppose, unless you use a proper IDE :p
Apr 22 07:30:45 <timroes> thats why i switched from german layout to us-international alt+gr dead keys :D
Apr 22 07:31:03 <alex_PP> i went from UK to US
Apr 22 07:31:11 <timroes> now I have the umlaute on alt=gr but honestly use them way less then {} []
Apr 22 07:31:22 <alex_PP> i find most languages have been conceived by poeple with US keyboards
Apr 22 07:31:43 <timroes> and programs..
Apr 22 07:31:49 <timroes> vim is a pain in the ass with a non us keybpoard :D
Apr 22 07:31:58 <alex_PP> oh wow, this keyboard has a right click key
Apr 22 07:31:58 <Zharf> timroes, no it isn't!
Apr 22 07:32:00 <Zharf> <.<
Apr 22 07:32:16 <timroes> when I switched to english I got enlightened by.. wow this combination actually makes sense :D
Apr 22 07:32:29 <Zharf> timroes, like what
Apr 22 07:32:31 <timroes> latex plugin press \\ to compile
Apr 22 07:32:43 <Sonicadvance1> hehe
Apr 22 07:32:47 <timroes> its on german keyboard alt+gr + ß key...
Apr 22 07:33:11 <Zharf> timroes, still not as bad as vim help links
Apr 22 07:33:27 <Zharf> ^[ was it?
Apr 22 07:33:44 <timroes> or that search in a lot of codes begin with a slash. In german thats also shift + 7 ..
Apr 22 07:34:08 <Zharf> I don't have a problem with those....
Apr 22 07:34:31 <timroes> i neither had, but then switched to us-int, and it got a whole lot easier to use vim and to code :)
Apr 22 07:34:32 <g00s> maybe you guys should switch to emacs
Apr 22 07:34:39 <monsti> yeah
Apr 22 07:34:40 <g00s> 8)
Apr 22 07:34:51 <monsti> and become ctrl-space-alt-shifted
Apr 22 07:35:35 <Zharf> timroes, I've used US, UK and finnish layouts for years and years, for most things I don't really see a meaningful difference
Apr 22 07:35:55 <Zharf> the only things that bother me are ~ and ^ requiring a space after the keypress
Apr 22 07:36:45 <timroes> but doesn't have finnish also an alt-gr dead keys alternatives where you don't need the space behind?
Apr 22 07:37:16 <Zharf> not that I know of
Apr 22 07:38:35 <timroes> at least in linux it has one by default
Apr 22 07:38:41 <timroes> Finnish (classic, eliminate dead keys)
Apr 22 07:39:37 <timroes> though if I remeber correctly you don't need " ^ often on a letter, that isn't anyway present on the keyboard in finnish?
Apr 22 07:39:57 <timroes> i mean there is ö and ä but these are present on the keyboard
Apr 22 07:40:10 <Zharf> yep
Apr 22 07:40:36 <timroes> and a lot of y you need :)
Apr 22 07:40:57 <timroes> thats what makes finnish look in german eyes always a bit like a made up language :D
Apr 22 07:41:11 <Zharf> what, the amount of y's?
Apr 22 07:41:26 <timroes> Pyyhepäivá
Apr 22 07:41:32 <timroes> pyyhepäivä
Apr 22 07:41:33 <timroes> *
Apr 22 07:41:34 <Sonicadvance1> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2mTNE31f5JTcTcxSS1WUXZENTQ/edit?usp=sharing
Apr 22 07:41:42 <Zharf> there's two!... <.<
Apr 22 07:41:43 <Sonicadvance1> Only took about twenty minutes of poking at
Apr 22 07:41:45 <timroes> i mean that kind of words look like someone made them up :D
Apr 22 07:41:51 <timroes> two y and two ä
Apr 22 07:42:16 <Sonicadvance1> Now to figure out how to make it expand to the height of the image
Apr 22 07:45:11 <Sonicadvance1> Maybe UI development isn't such a PITA I thought it was :P
Apr 22 07:45:54 <StingRay_> well if you consider UI dev as having something on screen in the correct size/position  :)
Apr 22 07:46:16 * StingRay_ takes of artist hat… 
Apr 22 07:46:17 * Sonicadvance1 shrugs
Apr 22 07:46:35 <Sonicadvance1> At least now it shows the banner
Apr 22 07:46:40 * Sonicadvance1 destroys OpenGL code
Apr 22 07:48:02 <Zharf> I always thought android UI was the easiest to create out of all the other frameworks I've tried...
Apr 22 07:48:20 <Zharf> but I don't really like using mobile devices like that
Apr 22 07:49:05 <StingRay_> I think android is the easiest platform to actually "design" for
Apr 22 07:49:17 <StingRay_> I just think lots of people decide not to
Apr 22 07:49:19 <StingRay_> shame
Apr 22 07:49:46 <g00s> all you need is an actionbar and a listview, thats like99% of it
Apr 22 07:49:46 <Zharf> StingRay_, I agree
Apr 22 07:49:52 <Zharf> :)
Apr 22 07:49:52 <g00s> :D
Apr 22 07:50:32 <Zharf> g00s, well that is 3 out of 4 of the views I have in my application at the moment ;)
Apr 22 07:50:45 <Zharf> more listviews coming soon!
Apr 22 07:50:50 <g00s> \o/
Apr 22 07:50:59 <g00s> its listviews all the way down
Apr 22 07:51:05 <Zharf> funny
Apr 22 07:51:36 <g00s> oh, i guess its cards in lists
Apr 22 07:51:36 <Zharf> too many people try to do something "new"
Apr 22 07:52:32 * g00s looks at StingRay_ 
Apr 22 07:52:43 <StingRay_> Zharf: yeah, which is silly, cause we should never ever try anything new
Apr 22 07:52:47 <StingRay_> look where it got us
Apr 22 07:52:53 <StingRay_> planes, space, computers
Apr 22 07:52:55 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 07:53:04 <Zharf> StingRay_, indeed! though that's not what I meant :p
Apr 22 07:53:11 <gusak> guys, Typeface.createFromAsset(), is it expensive operation? Should I store instances created for it so I can reuse it, or can I call it for every custom font textview?
Apr 22 07:53:54 <StingRay_> g00s: you wait… I'm gonna start something new with my simple sms app
Apr 22 07:54:00 <StingRay_> something really good and new!!!
Apr 22 07:54:03 * StingRay_ turns away
Apr 22 07:54:14 <g00s> :)
Apr 22 07:54:39 <Zharf> gusak, it's expensive
Apr 22 07:54:57 <g00s> i still dont understand the card UI stuff, probably since i havent used any apps that have it
Apr 22 07:55:26 <StingRay_> g00s: thats just a little different, and just segmentation
Apr 22 07:55:40 <StingRay_> you look at it from a practical sense and your wasting UI
Apr 22 07:55:41 <Zharf> gusak, there was a bug in our font cache once and it destroyed our framerates
Apr 22 07:55:46 <g00s> is it backed by some special android.widget.? thing ?
Apr 22 07:55:56 <StingRay_> no
Apr 22 07:56:01 <StingRay_> tis a listView and anim
Apr 22 07:56:04 <StingRay_> thats it
Apr 22 07:56:12 <g00s> hm
Apr 22 07:56:23 <StingRay_> I have the "option" of a card layout in my app
Apr 22 07:56:31 <StingRay_> that it is currently showing me
Apr 22 07:56:34 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 07:56:52 <gusak> Zharf: thanks :)
Apr 22 07:57:27 <StingRay_> oh my in-app purchase response from rovio
Apr 22 07:57:36 <StingRay_> problems with iap in latest jellybean
Apr 22 07:57:40 <StingRay_> they are working on it
Apr 22 07:57:41 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 07:58:18 <Zharf> the wifi at the office isn't working... the game's not starting up without internets... can't fix bugs
Apr 22 07:58:26 <Zharf> should've stayed home today
Apr 22 08:03:22 <g00s> go to ikea and use their wifi; grab some swedish meatballs while you're at it
Apr 22 08:03:57 <Zharf> that's a really weird thing to say to a finn
Apr 22 08:04:32 <timroes> make your own Kötbular :)
Apr 22 08:04:47 <Zharf> I just had some yesterday
Apr 22 08:05:10 <timroes> jhammi
Apr 22 08:05:54 <g00s> Zharf: ok, go to McDonalds instead :D
Apr 22 08:06:01 <timroes> go to hessburger :)
Apr 22 08:06:14 <g00s> horseburger?
Apr 22 08:06:26 <timroes> no hessburger :D
Apr 22 08:06:34 <timroes> finish mcDonald
Apr 22 08:06:39 <timroes> at least the last time i've been there :)
Apr 22 08:08:09 <Zharf> timroes, one s there
Apr 22 08:08:26 <Zharf> haven't been to those places in ages
Apr 22 08:08:38 <Zharf> especially mcd, it's horrible
Apr 22 08:12:54 <marrrk> How do these lock screen replacements work?
Apr 22 08:17:30 <lasserix> if i have a URI to an image and have w/h dimensions i want to scale it to, how can i do this without loading the original bitmap?
Apr 22 08:18:09 <StingRay_> BitmapOptions
Apr 22 08:19:06 <lasserix> i am just not seeing what part of bitmapoptions controls that?
Apr 22 08:19:47 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/load-bitmap.html
Apr 22 08:26:34 <Sonicadvance1> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2mTNE31f5JTOGdNR0V1a2t4TDA/edit?usp=sharing
Apr 22 08:26:42 <Sonicadvance1> Okay, really can't hate on it now
Apr 22 08:27:42 <timroes> human readable filesizes ftw :)
Apr 22 08:29:35 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, that'll be removed, mostly just for my playing
Apr 22 08:30:32 <Sonicadvance1> I think the next step is to find the easiest "Facebook" style side menu lib and use it
Apr 22 08:31:04 <timroes> https://github.com/SimonVT/android-menudrawer but really think if you need a menudrawer
Apr 22 08:31:13 <timroes> it should be last option, if all your other space is wasted
Apr 22 08:32:41 <g00s> timroes: strangely - the android design guidelines mention menudrawer, even though there is no native widget for it
Apr 22 08:32:54 <g00s> things that make you go "hm"
Apr 22 08:34:59 <timroes> soon is google i/o
Apr 22 08:35:03 <timroes> wait for it :)
Apr 22 08:35:03 * StingRay_ keeps quiet 
Apr 22 08:35:16 <gusak> slidingmenu is nice too I think https://github.com/jfeinstein10/SlidingMenu
Apr 22 08:35:18 <timroes> i am still waiting how appcompat is going on :)
Apr 22 08:35:39 <g00s> timroes: heh, yeah - wtf is going on with that .. have there been any commits lately?
Apr 22 08:35:51 <timroes> last time i checked december 2012
Apr 22 08:35:57 <timroes> and that has been mostly code cleanups
Apr 22 08:35:59 <g00s> not good
Apr 22 08:36:02 <timroes> though i never tested it, perhaps its already finished :D
Apr 22 08:36:11 <kakazza> Maybe with I/O
Apr 22 08:36:13 <timroes> but guess someone would have tested it alreaedy
Apr 22 08:36:23 <g00s> mv framework.* > appcompat :D
Apr 22 08:36:43 <gusak> I can see some pull request merges from few days ago
Apr 22 08:36:56 <Sonicadvance1> timroes, Mostly for setting settings, I want the gamelist to be front and center
Apr 22 08:37:00 <g00s> timroes: oh man, the first 4-5 release of the support library were murder
Apr 22 08:37:21 <g00s> so if appcompat is released during i/o, it will be usable by 2014 i/o
Apr 22 08:38:01 <kakazza> Waiting game, used to it ;)
Apr 22 08:38:13 <Sonicadvance1> I've been used to it for three years at this point
Apr 22 08:38:24 <Sonicadvance1> Waiting for OpenGL ES 3 for three damned years D:<
Apr 22 08:43:26 <Sonicadvance1> Finally get my hands on it on Saturday though :D
Apr 22 08:48:15 <Maziz> anybody know why an application is displayed as unsupported when trying to download from Android 2.3.6 eventhough the manifest the min API level is api 7?
Apr 22 08:48:15 <lasserix> StingRay you mean to use by setting inSampleSize?
Apr 22 08:48:55 <timroes> Maziz: because some other requirement you made in the manifest doesn't fit with the device?
Apr 22 08:49:06 <Maziz> screen size all supported
Apr 22 08:49:31 <Maziz> no nfc or bluetooth required
Apr 22 08:50:07 <Maziz> The app cannot be downloaded on Samsung Galaxy Mini with 2.3.6 to be exact.
Apr 22 08:50:07 <timroes> paste your manifest
Apr 22 08:50:29 <timroes> and are you perhaps including some libs, and use manifest merger to take over their manifest files?
Apr 22 08:51:14 <Gaz`> anyone know of a lib for sharing on all the major social sites? having a pita trying to get fb sdk working (again)
Apr 22 08:52:16 <Maziz> nope
Apr 22 08:52:20 <Maziz> let me put in paste bin
Apr 22 08:53:15 <lasserix> ahh no wonder the image i was using was weirdly shapped
Apr 22 08:53:45 <StingRay_> huh ?
Apr 22 08:53:50 <StingRay_> and yes I did mean that
Apr 22 08:54:00 <StingRay_> there are no shapes that an image can be
Apr 22 08:54:08 <StingRay_> other than a rectangle
Apr 22 08:54:13 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 22 08:54:25 <lasserix> no i mean i thought the image was a square but it was a rectangle and i kept getting wrong proportions
Apr 22 08:55:09 <lasserix> thanks tho
Apr 22 08:55:47 <StingRay_> what ? for pointing out the uniformity of pixels
Apr 22 08:56:04 <StingRay_> cause I think we need something else other than pixels in this day and age
Apr 22 08:56:17 <lasserix> pointing out im coding in the right direction
Apr 22 08:56:18 <StingRay_> pixels are like…… so 1930's
Apr 22 08:56:52 <lasserix> and yet the problem of discretely quantizing space is fundemental as ever :)
Apr 22 08:57:43 <StingRay_> I actaully like pixel ui art in mobiles
Apr 22 08:57:51 <StingRay_> takes me back to when I started in games
Apr 22 08:58:07 <StingRay_> and had to worry about pixel art
Apr 22 08:59:34 <lasserix> minecraft is one big 3d pixel art machine :)
Apr 22 09:00:46 <Sonicadvance1> And it is amazing :D
Apr 22 09:01:48 <g00s> timroes: conspiracy theory: maybe we stopped seeing stuff go into appcompat because … stuff going in there is from android 5 which is top s3cr3t
Apr 22 09:02:13 <timroes> might be, I don't think so :D
Apr 22 09:02:21 <timroes> but we all will see at google i/o
Apr 22 09:02:24 <g00s> heh, me neither :/
Apr 22 09:02:31 <timroes> and hopefully see a new nexus 7, so i can buy one :D
Apr 22 09:05:46 <Sonicadvance1> Depends if it has Tegra 4 or Snapdragon 800 for me :P
Apr 22 09:07:59 <Sonicadvance1> I already own a S4 Pro device, I'm getting a S600 device on Saturday. No need for S800, but I'll need Tegra 4 to make sure Desktop OpenGL works fine in my application :D
Apr 22 09:21:33 <Gaz`> god damn fb sdk is a joke
Apr 22 09:21:37 <Gaz`> whys it such a mess
Apr 22 09:27:19 * lut4rp is about to download the facebook sdk...
Apr 22 09:50:21 <g00s> Gaz`: screw fb, problem solved ;)
Apr 22 10:02:48 <lasserix> can i rely on using activityforresult to take a picture with camera to return the bitmap?
Apr 22 10:04:12 <Quacked> On long click on butons in my main Activity I create a new Intent that starts another Activity styled as AlertDialog, and I do a putExtra with the number of the button. In the newly started Activity I do getIntent to get the button number and then: resourceRegex = getResources().getString(R.string.hourMinRegex); Pattern p = Pattern.compile(resourceRegex); Matcher m = p.matcher(buttonValue); . But I recently got a crash report with
Apr 22 10:04:12 <Quacked> nullpointexception on that Matcher m... How can that be?
Apr 22 10:05:58 <Quacked> sorry, I was mistaken.. the buttonValue comes from static MainActivity.buttonValue, not the putExtra for the intent
Apr 22 10:07:29 <Quacked> Maybe it was a rare occasion where my MainActivity crashed a millisecond before opening the other Activity, and thus that Activity not being able to get the MainActivity.buttonValue?
Apr 22 10:08:32 <SimonVT> Remember to restore buttonValue when your process is re-created if you rely on it always being set
Apr 22 10:10:27 <Quacked> Not sure what you mean. I set it like this: public boolean onLongClick(View v) { Button b = (Button) v; buttonValue = b.getText().toString(); [...] } in MainActivity
Apr 22 10:11:15 <SimonVT> The vm your app is in can get destroyed if another app needs the memory
Apr 22 10:11:21 <SimonVT> That means you lose static variables, etc
Apr 22 10:11:45 <SimonVT> When your app is re-launched, the user is taken back to the same activity they were in previously
Apr 22 10:12:19 <Quacked> but since its created on every longclick (which starts the other activity) shouldnt that be enough?
Apr 22 10:12:34 <SimonVT> "the user is taken back to the same activity they were in previously"
Apr 22 10:13:16 <Quacked> oh, so the next Activity could be killed and then restored
Apr 22 10:13:24 <SimonVT> Your entire process can be killed
Apr 22 10:13:27 <Quacked> that makes sense
Apr 22 10:13:35 <SimonVT> Losing all state you don't save in onSaveInstanceState
Apr 22 10:13:43 <Quacked> yeah
Apr 22 10:14:27 <Quacked> would sending the value with the intent make a difference btw?
Apr 22 10:14:38 <Quacked> instead of using the static variable
Apr 22 10:16:41 <Quacked> I expect those to be lost too, am I right?
Apr 22 10:16:57 <lasserix> most likely
Apr 22 10:16:59 <SimonVT> That would fix it
Apr 22 10:17:06 <Quacked> oh
Apr 22 10:17:12 <SimonVT> The intent used to launch the activity is retained
Apr 22 10:17:17 <Quacked> ahh
Apr 22 10:17:24 <SimonVT> Unless you call Activity#setIntent, then it's that intent I believe
Apr 22 10:17:24 <Quacked> excellent
Apr 22 10:17:37 <Quacked> learned something important today too :D
Apr 22 10:17:40 <Quacked> thank you
Apr 22 10:17:49 <Quacked> I really had no reason for using a static variable :p
Apr 22 10:20:13 <ChampS666> heyhey
Apr 22 10:20:27 <ChampS666> does anyone know something bout nativ webrtc on android?
Apr 22 10:20:45 <SimonVT> If you have a JB device, go to settings > dev options and set background process limit to No background processes
Apr 22 10:20:57 <SimonVT> That's equivalent to your process being reclaimed for other reasons
Apr 22 10:22:57 <Quacked> cool, good tip
Apr 22 10:23:29 <SimonVT> Then every time you navigate to another app, your process is killed
Apr 22 10:23:48 <Quacked> very nice
Apr 22 10:26:04 <Quacked> does that work for all apps or just for the ones in debug mode?
Apr 22 10:27:33 <Quacked> yeah, got a crash when I ticked of the "dont keep activities" just above that no background processes
Apr 22 10:28:00 <Solupus> IIRC, there's a root app that is full of debugging things
Apr 22 10:28:00 <SimonVT> Yeah, should be all apps
Apr 22 10:29:15 <SimonVT> Just enable those two, navigate your app, leave it every once in a while and come back.. If it crashes, the same issue is going to pop up on a users device at some point.. So better fix it
Apr 22 10:29:34 <Quacked> SimonVT: understood, thanks
Apr 22 10:29:36 <Quacked> btw.. I'm longing for an app that allows you to kill all processes with one click (and clear memory) in addition to showing the cpu usage in % for all apps.. anyone know of one?
Apr 22 10:29:53 <SimonVT> Why would you do that
Apr 22 10:30:10 <Quacked> sometimes apps are buggy and I want to know which one
Apr 22 10:30:27 <Quacked> so I can kill it
Apr 22 10:30:42 <Quacked> when Facebook finds out it wants to use 30 % cpu just running in the background
Apr 22 10:31:04 <SimonVT> Then you uninstall it :p
Apr 22 10:31:08 <Quacked> haha
Apr 22 10:31:30 <Quacked> in most cases, yeah
Apr 22 10:31:34 <appel1> there's the cpu usage option in developer options ;)
Apr 22 10:31:59 <lasserix> In this guide, http://developer.android.com/training/camera/photobasics.html , getAlbumName() is refering to the programmer's method that gives another subdirectory from the public photo directory?
Apr 22 10:32:05 <Quacked> appel1: you mean the overlay ? :D
Apr 22 10:32:22 <appel1> Quacked: yes, that's why I usually use when I notice that my device is getting sluggish
Apr 22 10:32:42 <Quacked> appel1: but then you dont know what app?
Apr 22 10:33:15 <appel1> Quacked: I don't? It says the package name right there in the overlay
Apr 22 10:33:25 <Quacked> I basically just need an app that shows "top" and allows me to kill processes + a button that clears up memory :P
Apr 22 10:33:29 <xan_it> hi to all, i have problem with proguard, i can ask here? http://pastebin.com/UPUjeX8w
Apr 22 10:33:37 <Quacked> appel1: yeah, I see that now
Apr 22 10:33:59 <Quacked> not very convenient I dont think
Apr 22 10:34:30 <appel1> Quacked: eh, kill processes AND clear memory? same thing I'd think.
Apr 22 10:34:45 <Quacked> apple741: yeah, I just want one button to clear everything
Apr 22 10:34:50 <Quacked> instead of killing every bloody process :)
Apr 22 10:35:03 <bubbleguuum> there's an app for that
Apr 22 10:35:08 <Quacked> there are apps for both things (like a widget clearing memory)
Apr 22 10:35:13 <Quacked> but I havent found one that does both
Apr 22 10:35:25 <Quacked> and doesnt look like horsesh*t
Apr 22 10:35:42 <Quacked> bubbleguuum: know of a good one?
Apr 22 10:36:00 <appel1> Quacked: only reliable way is to use the force stop button in apps downloaded list, any other process kill will let the app to happily restart at any time depending on if it uses alarms, broadcast receivers, services set to restart if killed and so on
Apr 22 10:36:16 <Quacked> SimonVT: passing it with the intent fixed it :)
Apr 22 10:36:25 <SimonVT> Uhm, killing the process would release the memory it was using
Apr 22 10:36:56 <Quacked> SimonVT: yeah, I meant killing everything
Apr 22 10:37:03 <Quacked> when the device is sluggish
Apr 22 10:37:38 <Quacked> appel1: that cant be implemented in apps?
Apr 22 10:38:01 <bubbleguuum> at some point I found an app that would kill most apps with one click and put the device in the state as if it just booted. Don't remember the name though
Apr 22 10:38:10 <Quacked> but nevertheless, its ok that it restarts the needed services
Apr 22 10:38:23 <Quacked> most times thats enough to kill the sluggishness
Apr 22 10:38:33 <SimonVT> I don't think those task killers do very much anymore.. They changed a lot of the api's they rely on years ago
Apr 22 10:38:52 <Quacked> even if rooted? :S
Apr 22 10:39:44 <p_l> Quacked: there are frankly speaking other things that slow down the device than number of active tasks
Apr 22 10:39:47 <SimonVT> There are probably other ways to kill processes when rooted
Apr 22 10:40:00 <bubbleguuum> kill -9 -1
Apr 22 10:40:19 <Quacked> p_l: what do you mean?
Apr 22 10:41:19 <p_l> Quacked: for example unnecessary broadcast receivers constantly trying to wakeup some application, running persistent services all the time no matter whether the app is using them or not
Apr 22 10:48:03 <Quacked> yeah, sure
Apr 22 10:48:12 <lasserix> hmm my n7 returns false for getPackageManager().hasSystemFeature(PackageManager.FEATURE_CAMERA)
Apr 22 10:48:25 <p_l> for *active* background processes, you can set up a limit in recent enough OS
Apr 22 10:48:51 <Quacked> p_l: yeah, we were discussing that option a few mins ago :)
Apr 22 10:49:09 * p_l didn't sleep well
Apr 22 10:52:16 <SimonVT> public static final String FEATURE_CAMERA
Apr 22 10:52:16 <SimonVT> Feature for getSystemAvailableFeatures() and hasSystemFeature(String): The device has a camera facing away from the screen.
Apr 22 10:52:23 <SimonVT> I don't think nexus 7 has a rear camera
Apr 22 10:53:09 <kakazza> Doesn't
Apr 22 10:53:10 <Leeds> correct... also, the front camera is bad enough that most uses for a camera won't work anyway :)
Apr 22 10:54:07 <SimonVT> There you go, it's supposed to return false
Apr 22 10:55:31 <lasserix> right i am just tired ;/
Apr 22 10:58:17 <SpeedEvil> it has all the bits for the rear camera, apart from the actual camera, the connector, and a hole
Apr 22 10:58:45 <SpeedEvil> there is space for the camera, a holder, and wiring on the PCB
Apr 22 10:59:25 <erdos> hey, i've got this thread im using for drawing to a surfaceview, every time i close my app it crashes because it's mid way through the draw and the data is yanked from under its feet. any tips on how to deal with this?
Apr 22 11:00:09 <SimonVT> There's no room on the price sticker for a rear camera
Apr 22 11:04:30 <lasserix> how do you get a handle for where to save pictures taken with a camera by default on a device without an sd card?
Apr 22 11:05:45 <SimonVT> Same way you do it on a device with an sd card
Apr 22 11:06:32 <lasserix> Environment.DIRECTORY_PICTURES is returning a path nowhere near my camera's other output
Apr 22 11:07:51 <lasserix> oh no i am just too tired
Apr 22 11:07:52 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 22 11:11:25 <lasserix> Ahh in onActivityResult using the camera to take a picture, assuming I have set it up so the picture is indeed saved to some directory, can i pull the uri from the intent passed back?
Apr 22 11:16:20 <lasserix> or must i use yet another global variable
Apr 22 11:17:48 <lasserix> nacho i should have eaten all those nachos
Apr 22 11:19:49 <appel1> lasserix: why not look in the extras in the intent you get in onActivityResult and see if there's anything relevant there? :)
Apr 22 11:21:42 <lasserix> there is a thumbnail
Apr 22 11:23:21 <appel1> lasserix: according to the docs you should only get that if you don't specify a EXTRA_OUTPUT to your intent
Apr 22 11:24:16 <lasserix> appel1: right, which is what I did, but I dont see any uri to that file path
Apr 22 11:24:34 <appel1> lasserix: and you got a valid image at the specified path?
Apr 22 11:24:39 <lasserix> everything non-official online says keep a reference to the file you created that you set the EXTRA_OUTPUT option
Apr 22 11:24:43 <lasserix> yeah
Apr 22 11:24:52 <appel1> lasserix: huh, guess the docs is wrong then :\
Apr 22 11:25:15 <lasserix> i can save that path via a global variable or whatever, i just wanted to get that info with the returned intent if i could so i dont have global variables
Apr 22 11:25:29 <lasserix> since someone else will invariably be going through this code who (probably) will have little android exp
Apr 22 11:26:11 <lasserix> appel1: is there a convient method to list all the extras of an intent for logcat?
Apr 22 11:26:50 <xorgate> you can just print the intent
Apr 22 11:26:56 <xorgate> or its bundle or sth
Apr 22 11:27:14 <lasserix> ahh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5968896/listing-all-extras-of-an-intent
Apr 22 11:27:17 <lasserix> cool didn't know :)
Apr 22 11:27:18 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 22 11:29:51 <lasserix> appel1: apparently EXTRA_OUTPUT on a camera capture intent will always return a null intent when used with activityforresult
Apr 22 11:35:47 <appel1> lasserix: I guess the only option for you then is to have some kind of requestCode -> Uri map..
Apr 22 11:40:07 <g00s> keeping up with intel code names is hard work. but they are busy bees ! http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Processor-Whispers-Of-poor-figures-and-good-prospects-1846740.html
Apr 22 11:43:06 <monsti> they just want to hide that arm will eat some segments ;)
Apr 22 11:43:47 * Zharf sighs
Apr 22 11:44:01 * Zharf wonders what to do with the space in http://eclipser.xmms2.org/xmmsclient-android/device-2013-04-22-143638.png :p
Apr 22 11:44:53 <monsti> g00s: 8 core atoms with ht, vt and unlimited adress space would make saense - even in 2009 ;)
Apr 22 11:44:59 <SpeedEvil> do what all other designers do Zharf
Apr 22 11:45:05 <SpeedEvil> fill it with ads
Apr 22 11:45:18 <Zharf> I won't do ads :E
Apr 22 11:45:48 <g00s> i remember that album
Apr 22 11:46:11 <g00s> Zharf: that has to be the worst media player, evar
Apr 22 11:46:26 <Zharf> g00s, thanks <3
Apr 22 11:46:26 <monsti> lol
Apr 22 11:46:28 <g00s> rewind / ff in the actionbar - seriously ?
Apr 22 11:46:42 <Zharf> g00s, previous and next, silly
Apr 22 11:46:54 <g00s> but pause ...
Apr 22 11:47:00 <Zharf> what about it?
Apr 22 11:47:11 <monsti> repeat, loop, random
Apr 22 11:47:16 <monsti> is missing
Apr 22 11:47:21 <g00s> those should be larger controls, more prominent
Apr 22 11:47:27 <monsti> yeah
Apr 22 11:47:30 <g00s> somewhere else
Apr 22 11:47:37 <monsti> also i can't read the songs name
Apr 22 11:47:46 <monsti> 8sp isn't that nice
Apr 22 11:47:56 <Zharf> it's default font size :p
Apr 22 11:48:02 <g00s> "take away my pain … " of using this app :P
Apr 22 11:48:08 <monsti> lol
Apr 22 11:48:16 <monsti> g00s: that's his strategie!
Apr 22 11:48:23 <monsti> lets others complain
Apr 22 11:48:26 <monsti> i'll fix it
Apr 22 11:48:38 <monsti> Zharf: got enough work or need some more?
Apr 22 11:48:43 <monsti> add a night/day theme
Apr 22 11:48:47 <Zharf> I haven't been designing for tablets though, I don't have one and I don't really care about them
Apr 22 11:49:00 <g00s> yeah, me neither
Apr 22 11:49:03 <monsti> omg i would never assumed that ;)
Apr 22 11:49:12 <g00s> still not sure android is going anywhere tablet wise
Apr 22 11:49:24 <g00s> the best selling android tablet is … the Kindle
Apr 22 11:49:37 <Zharf> monsti, I don't care what users think, I just write my apps for myself :p
Apr 22 11:49:49 <monsti> last week we had a presentation and gave the customer a 10" a 7" and a S3
Apr 22 11:49:58 <monsti> ... they all took the S3
Apr 22 11:50:19 <monsti> Zharf: cool - add e hex editor to /dev/ram
Apr 22 11:50:28 <Zharf> monsti, wat
Apr 22 11:50:52 <lasserix> zharf is that your media player app?
Apr 22 11:51:14 <Zharf> lasserix, no, it's a controlling app for our (xmms2 team) media player app
Apr 22 11:51:27 <Quacked> I don't care for android/ios tablets either... win 8 tablets on the other hand...
Apr 22 11:51:30 <Quacked> (not RT)
Apr 22 11:51:53 <monsti> Quacked: the win8 even RT hardware is so nice
Apr 22 11:52:00 <g00s> i think a bay trail win8 tablet will rock
Apr 22 11:52:00 <monsti> but win8 sucks
Apr 22 11:52:05 <Quacked> g00s: agree
Apr 22 11:52:48 <Quacked> were talking 10 hours battery and twice the performance of the current win tablets
Apr 22 11:53:24 <Quacked> and standby for weeks
Apr 22 11:54:08 <lasserix> zharf why not have a lyric lookup and display the text as overlay
Apr 22 11:54:24 <Zharf> lasserix, mm, maybe
Apr 22 11:55:03 <lasserix> or i was thinking you could do some simple wave form from the output, but dunno if its worth it if you are not familiar with graphical coding
Apr 22 11:55:57 <Zharf> lasserix, we've pretty much ditched visualizations in the core anyway, they're useless crap :p
Apr 22 11:56:55 <lasserix> they are useless, but people are willing to throw their disposable income at their (cough angry birds cough) useless (cough candy crush cough) crap
Apr 22 11:57:08 <lasserix> :)
Apr 22 11:57:16 <Zharf> true, I'm not in this for money though :p
Apr 22 11:57:24 <lasserix> in the meantime why not make a huge-ass equalizer?
Apr 22 11:57:38 <Zharf> all free, no ads, free API to make your own clients to control the core, etc
Apr 22 11:58:15 <Zharf> lasserix, yeah I've been thinking of how to write a nice one, I'd like to draw a nice curve going through the sliders, but I'm not very good at thinking about how to do that :p
Apr 22 11:58:34 <lasserix> dont worry about a curve
Apr 22 11:58:52 <lasserix> just put a distinct current-output level behind the slider toggle for each toggle
Apr 22 11:58:52 <Zharf> it'd just be nice visual
Apr 22 11:59:04 <lasserix> that way you'd just have to worry about a y value and not worry about making smooth curves
Apr 22 11:59:27 <lasserix> *horizontal line i mean
Apr 22 12:00:01 <lasserix> cause for equalization that's what you want to know anyways, then you can do some simple alpha flash brightness animation transitition between updating height of level per toggle
Apr 22 12:00:10 <lasserix> which would look cool but very helpful too :)
Apr 22 12:00:26 <lasserix> and you  could do that with a canvas easily enough
Apr 22 12:00:46 <Zharf> it's also one of those features I never use in a media player <.<
Apr 22 12:01:05 <lasserix> ahh man if you enjoy music you gota equalize
Apr 22 12:01:18 <Zharf> I love music and I disagree
Apr 22 12:01:23 <Zharf> I even write some music
Apr 22 12:01:33 <Zharf> only on crap hardware you might need it :p
Apr 22 12:01:43 <lasserix> its not necessary, but the difference is a recording done in a cluttered garage or a recording studio
Apr 22 12:01:54 <lasserix> and as a control on the user/listener's end that's a lot of power
Apr 22 12:02:15 <lasserix> espicially if you have good speakers or headphones
Apr 22 12:02:37 <Zharf> frankly I think all that control should be taken away and the hardware should adjust automatically to match the original intent of the engineer
Apr 22 12:03:24 <lasserix> uhh what if i like a song to sound a particular way? you really want to take control away from the user? i can see automatic adjustments, but by no means take the tools we have as consumers away
Apr 22 12:03:46 <lasserix> that's why equalizers have on/off buttons :P
Apr 22 12:03:59 <Zharf> most consumers don't know how to use them, they just amp up the bass :p
Apr 22 12:04:45 <Chainfire> I'm just happy you don't design the software or hardware I use then
Apr 22 12:06:03 <lasserix> Zharf: that's because they are not intuitive enough to understand for most people which is the fault of the interface
Apr 22 12:06:15 <Zharf> I'm all for control, but I would rather make the distinction so that high quality hardware would also let the user do more, with low quality consumer crap the consumer always makes it even more crappy so the hardware should be intelligent about it
Apr 22 12:06:51 <lasserix> also it presumes that the input audio has been preconfigured, which for instance if i am listening to a live 24kbs stream, it doesn't matter if it is anyways
Apr 22 12:07:31 <lasserix> yeah i agree that is another project in itself :)
Apr 22 12:11:06 <SpeedEvil> first step, is we kill all the recording engineers that over utilise compressors.
Apr 22 12:11:24 <lasserix> with some kind of white noise virus that selectively targets them?
Apr 22 12:11:31 <lasserix> ;p
Apr 22 12:11:35 <Sonicadvance1> My $300 studio monitor headphones make me quite happy :D
Apr 22 12:11:39 <Zharf> SpeedEvil, I'm with you there :p
Apr 22 12:13:26 <DusteD> I'm looking to write a service which can be accessed by other applications, I'd like to define some methods which the service can call on the classes that use it, what kind of approach am I looking for?
Apr 22 12:26:29 <dareign85> how can i make some "canvas" on top of everything in my window that says "preloading..." ?
Apr 22 12:26:34 <dareign85> then i can hide it
Apr 22 12:27:00 <Sonicadvance1> Would a toast work?
Apr 22 12:27:35 <lasserix> drop a textview with match_parent for width and height in the root of your view hierarchy that says "preloading" and change the visibility when you need to
Apr 22 12:28:20 <lasserix> but you'll have to drop whatever viewgroup is at the root of your layout / view hierarchy into a framelayout if its not a framelayout or relativelayout already
Apr 22 12:29:29 <dareign85> my root view is "scrollview" then i have a linearlayout inside with all my controls
Apr 22 12:29:58 <lasserix> drop that into a framelayout, so that the textview and the scrollview both match parent
Apr 22 12:30:19 <lasserix> i cant remember if you put the textview or scrollview first in order or not
Apr 22 12:30:39 <lasserix> but then just get a handle on the id of the textview and change its visibility
Apr 22 12:30:45 <lasserix> to gone when preloading is over
Apr 22 12:31:00 <Zharf> scrollview first
Apr 22 12:31:22 <dareign85> cant i just add a textview and change the X/Y?..is there some absolute positining like in "css"?
Apr 22 12:31:47 <lasserix> dariegn8d layout_width layout_height set to match parent will make the textview will the framelayout container
Apr 22 12:31:57 <lasserix> making anything underneath it inaccessable
Apr 22 12:32:21 <lasserix> then when you set its visibility to gone the scrollview will show and be accessable
Apr 22 12:32:28 <Zharf> dareign85, you could put it on top of the thing centered in a relativelayout but the point lasserix tried to make is that it'd only show the canvas once it's ready to be shown
Apr 22 12:32:31 <dareign85> so <frame><scrollview></scrollview><textview></textview></frame>
Apr 22 12:32:48 <dareign85> ?
Apr 22 12:33:00 <lasserix> *you dont need a canvas at all, just an opaque textview will work
Apr 22 12:33:16 <lasserix> you could put an imageview or whatever you want really, as long as its opaque
Apr 22 12:33:30 <lasserix> then just change its visibility whenever preloading is done
Apr 22 12:33:49 <lasserix> but a semantic question: do you have to wait for it to load after preloading is done? ;p
Apr 22 12:35:10 <dareign85> hm
Apr 22 12:35:39 <lut4rp> I don't understand how Facebook Messenger and Facebook manage to break my logcat
Apr 22 12:35:43 <dareign85> blah..im just gonna disable everything until loading is done for now
Apr 22 12:36:07 <lut4rp> Every error/warning/info will show with a tag and a PID except Facebook.
Apr 22 12:36:07 <dareign85> you guys freelance? elance is the shit..i been getting so much work on there
Apr 22 12:36:09 <dareign85> hella fast
Apr 22 12:36:14 <lut4rp> What on earth is this "W/msgr(:<default>):fb:dg( 3872): Reliability Logging parameter 13 is null"
Apr 22 12:36:22 <lasserix> dareign85 post your xml ommitting everything in the scroll view
Apr 22 12:36:35 <mikedg> is it sad that i dont want to pay $75 to upgrade to first class :(
Apr 22 12:37:37 <dareign85> http://pastebin.com/7HFqTQ5J
Apr 22 12:38:01 <dareign85> my scrollview is root
Apr 22 12:41:49 <lasserix> dariegn85: http://pastebin.com/g1ahJi3A
Apr 22 12:42:11 <lasserix> now find tv_my_preloading_splash as a textview in your activity
Apr 22 12:42:17 <lasserix> when you are done preloading
Apr 22 12:42:52 <lasserix> do mPreloadingSplashFillerTextView.setVisibility(View.GONE)
Apr 22 12:43:15 <lasserix> assuming mPrel....TextView is findViewById(R.id.tv_my_pr..._splash) was set up
Apr 22 12:43:20 <lasserix> and there you go
Apr 22 12:52:23 <monsti> is substring in sqlite 0 or 1 based?
Apr 22 12:54:05 <kifst> could someone help me please-- contextMenu not reliably firing when i get a value from JS to set the title. http://pastebin.com/82B5gcN2
Apr 22 12:54:44 <lasserix> dareign85 get it to work?
Apr 22 12:57:52 <dareign85> yeah
Apr 22 12:57:53 <dareign85> thanks
Apr 22 12:57:55 <dareign85> :)
Apr 22 13:00:59 <eluria> hello. I'm wondering, is it possible at all somehow to add event hooks into the existing google maps app?
Apr 22 13:02:36 <dennda_> My app requires to talk to a dev server on the local network, but apparently the router (which I can't access) doesn't allow devices to talk to each other. Can anyone think of a workaround?
Apr 22 13:04:29 <mikedg> try a different port?
Apr 22 13:04:44 <mikedg> are you trying to connect to an IP or are you trying to discover the dev server
Apr 22 13:04:58 <lasserix> oh cool!
Apr 22 13:05:21 <lasserix> is there a way to make an autocompletetextview force show the suggestion lists?
Apr 22 13:06:54 <lasserix> nm
Apr 22 13:07:22 <dennda_> mikedg: The dev server runs on my laptop on port 8000
Apr 22 13:07:30 <dennda_> mikedg: But the devices can't even ping each other
Apr 22 13:08:21 <kifst> anyone: help please-- my contextMenu not reliably firing when i get a value from JS to set the title. http://pastebin.com/82B5gcN2
Apr 22 13:14:37 <Chainfire> heh interesting
Apr 22 13:14:47 <Chainfire> you can change a paid app to free
Apr 22 13:14:50 * Chainfire didn't know that
Apr 22 13:15:55 <SimonVT> Just can't go back
Apr 22 13:16:23 <Smashcat> Hi, anyone know if there's a bug when creating ImageButton objects in code in Android, in that the id returned is always -1?
Apr 22 13:17:10 <Chainfire> SimonVT any idea if licensing API can still be used to determine if the current user paid for it in the past ?
Apr 22 13:17:10 <SimonVT> The default view id is -1
Apr 22 13:17:23 <SimonVT> Chainfire: I wouldn't imagine so, but I don't know
Apr 22 13:17:53 <Smashcat> SimonVT: So I can just set the id to whatever I like then (as long as it's not already in use)?
Apr 22 13:18:05 <Chainfire> that is too bad, thinking about converting a paid app to free+IAP ... guess I'll have to track down a Googler who might know :)
Apr 22 13:18:31 <SimonVT> Yes, you can set it to whatever you like
Apr 22 13:19:35 <Smashcat> SimonVT: Ah got it, thanks. Thought I'd have to check against existing ids from other elements, but it seems like it doesn't matter anyway
Apr 22 13:19:59 <SimonVT> As long as you're aware of how findViewById works, you can set it to whatever
Apr 22 13:20:31 <SimonVT> And how state is saved, etc
Apr 22 13:20:34 <Smashcat> SimonVT: Yes, in this case the ImageButtons are created after I've already created references to all the other objects, so it won't cause a problem
Apr 22 13:21:21 <tripknotix> hi everyone
Apr 22 13:21:32 <Smashcat> hello
Apr 22 13:21:37 <tripknotix> ive got a game on the google play store, and im looking to add a "Donations" button that links to paypal, am i allowed to put that button in an app on the google play store?
Apr 22 13:21:38 <eluria> does anyone know if it is possible to extend the google maps app?
Apr 22 13:22:33 <Smashcat> tripknotix: I think you are free to do that - it's not like the Apple Store :)
Apr 22 13:23:19 <tripknotix> ah ok cool, i have a paypal business account, does that mean im forced to do like a pay, rather than donate, im new to using paypal for anything other than buying or sending/receiving money the normal ways
Apr 22 13:24:23 <Smashcat> tripknotix: Can't help with that; sounds like something you need to check on the Paypal site
Apr 22 13:24:33 <SimonVT> Donations, sure.. If you're selling content, you're required to use IAB
Apr 22 13:24:46 <SimonVT> Unless that content can be consumed outside of the app
Apr 22 13:24:56 <SimonVT> Check the terms, there's a few lines on it
Apr 22 13:25:34 <tripknotix> im pretty much just looking for a way to collect some cash to continue development, sales have been  abit sluggish lately the last 1-2 months
Apr 22 13:25:43 <tripknotix> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.RealDefinition.FutureOpsOnlineAlpha
Apr 22 13:26:06 <tripknotix> ive got users that say i should add in stuff to buy so they can toss money at me... but all i could do is sell them virtual money with nothing to buy
Apr 22 13:26:44 <tripknotix> i mean, i guess that makes sense too
Apr 22 13:26:57 <tripknotix> but it would be nice to get it faster for the mean time
Apr 22 13:27:48 <Ankhwatcher> Hey, can anyone point me to a guide for transitioning from Google Maps API V1 to Google Maps API V2? I'm not sure what do with my overlays.
Apr 22 13:33:43 <tripknotix> i guess donation button doesnt make sense there
Apr 22 13:51:32 <tripknotix> would a button that says "Support The Developer [Paypal Link]" be a reasonable button to put in a games menu?
Apr 22 13:55:04 <tripknotix> or should it be
Apr 22 13:55:16 <tripknotix> "Support The Game's Development [Paypal]"
Apr 22 13:55:37 <JuiceSSH> I wouldn't risk it personally
Apr 22 13:55:49 <JuiceSSH> So many horror stories around about apps getting pulled for similar reasons
Apr 22 13:55:53 <JuiceSSH> with no way of disputing
Apr 22 13:56:08 <JuiceSSH> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-developers/dZ2z6Hg9w_E
Apr 22 14:01:07 <tripknotix> good catch JuiceSSH
Apr 22 14:02:42 <tripknotix> i guessi  better not
Apr 22 14:10:13 <JuiceSSH> You *could* do it as an in-app purchase - but Google will take 30%
Apr 22 14:10:31 <JuiceSSH> And it would have to be a fixed-price (or offer a selection of a few prices)
Apr 22 14:10:42 <Quacked> Anyone got experience with CPM on various ad services?
Apr 22 14:10:54 <tripknotix> ic ic
Apr 22 14:10:54 <Quacked> It looks pretty low with admob
Apr 22 14:12:22 <mikedg> http://www.teehanlax.com/blog/density-converter/   arent xhdpi 2x the size of mdpi assets?
Apr 22 14:13:09 <JosephPowa> Yes
Apr 22 14:13:11 <SimonVT> YEs
Apr 22 14:13:45 <lasserix> What's the equivalent method in the support library for onRetainNonConfigurationInstance ?
Apr 22 14:13:49 <lasserix> (for use in fragment)
Apr 22 14:14:33 <JosephPowa> onRetainCustomNonConfigurationInstance
Apr 22 14:15:28 <lasserix> Thanks
Apr 22 14:16:04 <JosephPowa> That's for us in an Activity. Fragments don't have a onRetain… method - use a retained fragment instead
Apr 22 14:16:55 <JosephPowa> call setRetainInstance in your fragments onCreate to have it retained across configuration changes
Apr 22 14:17:23 <openkwaky> mikedg: this article is wrong on xhdpi
Apr 22 14:17:36 <mikedg> openkwaky: thanks for confirmation
Apr 22 14:19:10 <JosephPowa> There is a comment by John Lax about that > "XHDPI devices can range from from 200 dpi to 300 dpi. 225 is far more representative of XHDPI devices. We feel 200 is too low"
Apr 22 14:19:59 <mystiiq> how can i build executable for android with NDK
Apr 22 14:20:05 <mystiiq> I do not want to create a library
Apr 22 14:20:06 <openkwaky> JosephPowa: where do you see in Android documentation that it is a range ?
Apr 22 14:21:37 <SimonVT> JosephPowa: Eh, that's just wrong
Apr 22 14:21:51 <openkwaky> SimonVT: thx
Apr 22 14:21:57 <SimonVT> xhdpi is defined as 320dpi, twice that of mdpi (160dpi)
Apr 22 14:22:05 <JosephPowa> In the Android docs XHDPI is from 320-480
Apr 22 14:22:09 <SimonVT> It is a range tho, I'll give him that
Apr 22 14:22:30 <JosephPowa> That range was given by Jon Lax (one of the authors on that article) -- don't complain to me ;)
Apr 22 14:22:41 <SimonVT> Where does it say xhdpi is 320-480?
Apr 22 14:23:00 <SimonVT> xhdpi devices can be less than 320
Apr 22 14:23:00 <JosephPowa> I don't think it does currently, but XXHDPI begins at 480dpi
Apr 22 14:23:15 <JosephPowa> Yes, they're approximate buckets
Apr 22 14:26:38 <lasserix> What's the best way to save uri to an image to state?
Apr 22 14:26:53 <SimonVT> As a string?
Apr 22 14:27:16 <Nebukadneza> heho
Apr 22 14:27:45 <Nebukadneza> is there a way to initiate an "unsupervised" installation (or at least close, so the user only has to accept an apps permissions before install) of apps through the play store?
Apr 22 14:29:00 <lasserix> SimonVT: sorry could you be more specific, I have not used URI's much
Apr 22 14:30:17 <SimonVT> I don't think I can
Apr 22 14:33:52 <JosephPowa> Bundle state = new Bundle();
Apr 22 14:34:26 <JosephPowa> state.putParceable(myUri);
Apr 22 14:35:19 <DeviantPeer> I have a fragment (let call it Master) that has other fragments in the layout (Child1, Child2...). When navigating away from the Mster fragment (it receives the onPause) and then returning to it the Master  fragment layout cannot be created (as the child fragment already exist, so a Duplicate ID is thrown). Anyone knows how to work with "children" fragments can give me some tips how to make this w
Apr 22 14:37:02 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 22 14:37:35 <JosephPowa> In the onCreate of your master fragment, only add the child fragments if savedInstanceState is null
Apr 22 14:38:04 <DeviantPeer> JosephPowa: so the child fragment should not be in the Master fragment layout.
Apr 22 14:38:39 <JosephPowa> Yep -- avoid fragments in layout files where possible, they don't behave quite the same as fragments added programatically
Apr 22 14:38:53 <JosephPowa> *same behaviour
Apr 22 14:39:03 <DeviantPeer> JosephPowa: so I see. :) Thx.
Apr 22 14:39:28 <lasserix> DeviantPeer are you adding/replacing them in the transaction with a tag? you can re-assign them by the tag, then check if they are null and reinstance if so
Apr 22 14:39:34 <Sirolf> Hello ... can someone help me with some android dev issues on google play services ?
Apr 22 14:42:04 <DeviantPeer> lasserix: no. I was just using their id from the layout of the master fragment
Apr 22 14:43:06 <Sirolf> I want to know how I can retrieve some ID on the actual "buyer" of my App. An e-mail address or even a token would work ... I need it to give away a license-code from our own database... but just one per purchase ... any ideas ?
Apr 22 14:43:21 <mystiiq> how can I use ndk-build withouth having to put .c files to jni/ folder
Apr 22 14:46:27 <sdaq> what is it called when eclipse can rebuild only the things that need to be rebuilt instead of everything everytime?
Apr 22 14:49:32 <DeviantPeer> is there a way to have a kind of "placeholder" in a layout (where a fragment will be programatically inserted?
Apr 22 14:50:27 <pfn> sure
Apr 22 14:50:30 <pfn> use the container of your choice
Apr 22 14:50:37 <pfn> a LinearLayout or FrameLayout, etc.
Apr 22 14:50:54 <DeviantPeer> but won't that increase the depth of the layout tree?
Apr 22 14:52:02 <DeviantPeer> as the layout of the fragment will be within a LinearLayout that actually contains only that fragment layout (that is probably also a container.. I guess).
Apr 22 14:53:26 <DeviantPeer> I feel that I must be missing something... Having a fragment within anothoer fragment, described in a layout should be possible and easy...
Apr 22 14:53:43 <DeviantPeer> I have to be doing something really very wrong... :/
Apr 22 14:53:46 <Sirolf> anyone familiar with working with Google Play apk ?
Apr 22 14:54:57 <lasserix> If the app fires an intent to use the camera for capture, does that go on the app's stack or independently in its own stack?
Apr 22 14:55:06 <mikedg> can you programatically merge?
Apr 22 14:55:20 <mikedg> lassers, if you use startactivityforresult
Apr 22 14:55:23 <mikedg> it's own stack
Apr 22 14:55:31 <mikedg> otherwise a new stack
Apr 22 14:55:35 <mikedg> but maybe flags matter?
Apr 22 14:55:49 <appel1> DeviantPeer: are you using a api level or support library new enough so that it supports nested fragments?
Apr 22 14:56:00 <lasserix> ahh okay, just wondering how best to not assume the image will still exist for whatever reason
Apr 22 14:56:02 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 22 14:56:04 <DeviantPeer> appel1: using the support4
Apr 22 14:56:29 <DeviantPeer> appel1: as far as I know it's the latest version of it.
Apr 22 14:57:25 <appel1> DeviantPeer: nested fragment support was added in revision 11 of the support package, latest is revision 12
Apr 22 14:58:36 <DeviantPeer> appel1: in the pom I have version r7
Apr 22 14:58:56 <DeviantPeer> appel1: I wonder what that means...
Apr 22 14:59:18 <appel1> DeviantPeer: http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.2.html#NestedFragments
Apr 22 14:59:22 <SimonVT> r7 means revision 7
Apr 22 14:59:44 <DeviantPeer> SimonVT: yes.. I was looking at the maven central and that's the latest.. argh...
Apr 22 15:00:52 <DeviantPeer> going to figure this out...
Apr 22 15:03:56 <Quacked> You people add keywords/tags to play listing?
Apr 22 15:04:15 <Sirolf> play listing?
Apr 22 15:04:23 <Quacked> google play listing
Apr 22 15:04:55 <Quacked> in the description of your apps
Apr 22 15:05:26 <Sirolf> haven't before ..
Apr 22 15:06:20 <kifst>  could someone help me please-- contextMenu not reliably firing when i get a value from JS to set the title. http://pastebin.com/82B5gcN2
Apr 22 15:08:06 <SimonVT> Quacked: It's not allowed
Apr 22 15:08:53 <Quacked> SimonVT: thought that was only if you used keywords that had nothing to do with the app
Apr 22 15:08:54 <Quacked> but ok
Apr 22 15:09:14 <Quacked> I've seen so many descriptions with tags :P
Apr 22 15:09:50 <SimonVT> I'm sure there are many that has it
Apr 22 15:10:03 <Quacked> naughty people
Apr 22 15:10:05 <SimonVT> I'm sure they're shitty apps
Apr 22 15:10:10 <SimonVT> And I wouldn't trust any of them
Apr 22 15:11:02 <Sirolf> do you guys know anything about retrieving ID info on the buyer of your app?
Apr 22 15:12:24 <JosephPowa> @DeviantPeer use maven-android-sdk-deployer
Apr 22 15:12:24 <Sirolf> I need it for commercial licencing of our data
Apr 22 15:14:32 <Sirolf> in other words: I need someone who bought my app to be licensed to use the same data on other systems .. using a serial I provided through the app
Apr 22 15:14:44 <Sirolf> like on PC
Apr 22 15:15:54 <P3nnyw1se> sup hos!
Apr 22 15:16:02 <Sirolf> :')
Apr 22 15:17:19 <Sirolf> anyone? please?
Apr 22 15:18:15 <Quacked> wonder if full screen ads piss people too much off :P
Apr 22 15:18:29 <monsti> Quacked: show a nude girl
Apr 22 15:19:01 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, only piss off like 30% of your audience
Apr 22 15:21:39 <monsti> "click this ad - and you won't need viagra! trust me!"
Apr 22 15:22:00 <NinjahMeh> hi is this the right place for help building AOSP from source?
Apr 22 15:22:20 <pfn> #android-root is more catered towards it
Apr 22 15:22:24 <pfn> but you can ask some things here
Apr 22 15:22:27 <NinjahMeh> ok sweet
Apr 22 15:22:41 <pfn> . envsetup.sh; lunch; make -j 8 world
Apr 22 15:22:43 <pfn> sit back and relax
Apr 22 15:23:03 <mikedg> don't get lunch during lunch, get it during make
Apr 22 15:23:41 <NinjahMeh> lol
Apr 22 15:24:00 <NinjahMeh> whats got me stumped is, iv been trying to build CM for desire c
Apr 22 15:24:16 <NinjahMeh> but there it asks you to have device tree set up off dev etc
Apr 22 15:24:45 <NinjahMeh> in AOSP is that not needed for initial build, like i can just build a generic AOSP then flash it and fix up the hardware side adhoc?
Apr 22 15:25:24 <NinjahMeh> im asking in root but the channel is pretty silent
Apr 22 15:25:50 * P3nnyw1se slaps Quacked around a bit with a large trout
Apr 22 15:25:58 <P3nnyw1se> you wanna piss people off.. you want them to buy the full version ;)
Apr 22 15:26:16 * NinjahMeh ducks the incoming trout as P3nnyw1se seems a terrible aim
Apr 22 15:26:29 <NinjahMeh> :P
Apr 22 15:26:49 <NinjahMeh> so if i build a full-eng aosp
Apr 22 15:26:52 <marrrk> I tried to make a lock screen replacement. And it works it just takes about half a second or so before it is started and during that time the actual lock screen is displayed. I am simply launching my (empty) activity when I receive the SCREEN_ON broadcast. I thought maybe starting the activity on SCREEN_OFF and then just bringing it to the front on SCREEN_ON might be better. Any ideas?
Apr 22 15:27:10 <NinjahMeh> should i be able to just flash it to my device and i presume have very little hardware operational if i do so
Apr 22 15:28:02 <mikedg> marrrk: mail some of the people making custom lock screens
Apr 22 15:28:05 <mikedg> it's a finnicky mess
Apr 22 15:28:14 <mikedg> if someone offers to help, you will saves a ton of time
Apr 22 15:28:54 <marrrk> Or maybe I'll just ignore this little inconvenience for now. It's only for academic purposes anyway :)
Apr 22 15:29:59 <marrrk> It's weird because when I have the app pushed to the phone from Intellij and then I press the power button it's immediately there.
Apr 22 15:33:58 <DeviantPeer> JosephPowa: I'm looking into it.
Apr 22 15:35:22 <Mavrik> marrrk, I think that's the best you can do - I've noticed your issue on pretty much all 3rd party lock screend
Apr 22 15:35:25 <Mavrik> *screens
Apr 22 15:36:43 <marrrk> I tried one worked really well. If only I could remember the name
Apr 22 15:37:59 <marrrk> Active lockscreen was the name
Apr 22 15:38:27 <kifst>  could someone help me please-- contextMenu not reliably firing when i get a value from JS to set the title. http://pastebin.com/82B5gcN2
Apr 22 15:39:55 <marrrk> Hmm on the first launch it's the same but then it's instant
Apr 22 15:39:59 <Chainfire> I built a POC lockscreen sometime back on 2.3 that didn't flash the normal lock screen
Apr 22 15:40:17 <marrrk> what does POC mean?
Apr 22 15:40:25 <Chainfire> proof of concept... was for a client
Apr 22 15:40:29 <Chainfire> let me see if that still works
Apr 22 15:40:31 <marrrk> ah alright
Apr 22 15:41:17 <marrrk> I suspect they are keeping the activity in memory and only bring it to the front but I don't know how to do taht
Apr 22 15:41:29 <Chainfire> yeah I don't see the normal lock screen appear when I turn the device on
Apr 22 15:44:25 <Chainfire> marrrk I'm not sure what makes the difference here, I'm indeed just launching the activity at screen off
Apr 22 15:44:44 <marrrk> off?
Apr 22 15:44:51 <Chainfire> with FLAG_ALLOW_LOCK_WHILE_SCREEN_ON , FLAG_SHOW_WHEN_LOCKED , FLAG_FULLSCREEN as window addFlags
Apr 22 15:45:02 <marrrk> when I try to do it at screen off it comes up even later than screen on
Apr 22 15:45:12 <marrrk> i don't have the first one i think
Apr 22 15:46:08 <Chainfire> ah wait I think I know what the trick is
Apr 22 15:46:38 <Chainfire> I didn't document this properly (big surprise there) but I think the trick is that I actually lock the device at screen off
Apr 22 15:46:46 <Chainfire> (you need DeviceAdmin for that)
Apr 22 15:47:00 <Chainfire> instead of the lock occurring at screen on time
Apr 22 15:47:01 <marrrk> DeviceAdmin? Is that an app?
Apr 22 15:47:17 <Chainfire> no, that's something you put into Google, suffixed with site:developer.android.com
Apr 22 15:47:58 <lseactuary> anyone know where i can find a statistic on the viral acqusition of a user e.g. how many users on average a user will bring to an app?
Apr 22 15:49:37 <marrrk> alright I might have a look at it
Apr 22 15:49:42 <marrrk> thanks for the info Chainfire!
Apr 22 15:51:25 <Chainfire> hmm, marrrk I just disabled the DeviceAdmin part, and it's still instant
Apr 22 15:51:28 * Chainfire shrugs
Apr 22 15:51:42 <marrrk> and you're doing it upon screen_off ?
Apr 22 15:52:16 <Chainfire> yes, a service is listening for ACTION_SCREEN_OFF, and launches the activity
Apr 22 15:52:39 <marrrk> The first FLAG you're using I can't find
Apr 22 15:52:44 <marrrk> FLAG_ALLOW_LOCK_WHILE_SCREEN_ON that one
Apr 22 15:53:12 <borillion> Bit confused about intitramfs, what in it is cross compiled exactly? Looking at  kernel configs I don't see the path included for the archive.
Apr 22 15:53:21 <Consty> I have an implemented trie to do fast dictionary lookups to validate whether a word is valid. However, this trie uses a fair amount of memory (around 50MB) on my Android app, which is well above the heap allocated to some devices. Is there a good way to work around this?
Apr 22 15:53:21 <mikedg> try using a wake lock
Apr 22 15:53:28 <Chainfire> marrrk> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/WindowManager.LayoutParams.html#FLAG_ALLOW_LOCK_WHILE_SCREEN_ON
Apr 22 15:54:35 <Chainfire> mikedg that's what I thought as well, but my code isn't using one ... nor do I believe you actually need one - certainly not while connected to adb and debugging ;)
Apr 22 15:55:14 <mikedg> im only half paying attention
Apr 22 15:55:17 <marrrk> yeah I started out like that too
Apr 22 15:55:22 <marrrk> with the wake lock
Apr 22 15:55:30 <marrrk> and then I wondered why I'd actually need one
Apr 22 15:58:16 <marrrk> Alright, so I added that flag but still if I do it on ACTION_SCREEN_OFF the activity comes up significantly later than on SCREEN_ON which I don't understand. Maybe it's only being scheduled for when the screen will be on again?
Apr 22 15:59:10 <Chainfire> perhaps. I wish I could tell you the answer but it's been too long
Apr 22 15:59:52 <marrrk> I actually have more flags
Apr 22 16:01:11 <marrrk> are you setting them in "onAttachedToWindow()"?
Apr 22 16:02:08 <Chainfire> onCreate
Apr 22 16:02:45 <marrrk> alright I will move it there
Apr 22 16:03:36 <Chainfire> I'd just give you the code to play with but it isn't legally mine to give away, so ...
Apr 22 16:05:03 <marrrk> It's alright
Apr 22 16:05:10 <marrrk> what phone are you testing this on btw?
Apr 22 16:05:46 <Chainfire> note2
Apr 22 16:05:52 <Chainfire> you ?
Apr 22 16:08:00 <marrrk> One X
Apr 22 16:08:07 <DeviantPeer> when adding a child fragment, do we have to create the view and add the view to the parent fragment view? or the childFragmentManager takes care of that?
Apr 22 16:08:13 <marrrk> that might make a difference I don't know the specs of the Note 2
Apr 22 16:10:19 <marrrk> they're definitely better than the one x's
Apr 22 16:16:22 <maslen> Are messenger IPC calls asynchronous ?
Apr 22 16:24:59 <pfn> maslen, no
Apr 22 16:25:28 <pfn> they're not async unless you make them async
Apr 22 16:25:34 <pfn> either on the calling or receiving end
Apr 22 16:38:24 <maslen> pfn: OK, that would be fine for my purposes
Apr 22 16:48:55 <Ankhwatcher> I need to convert a ShapeDrawable to bitmap, is there a way to do that?
Apr 22 16:49:11 <Ankhwatcher> Alternatively how can I create a colored circular bitmap object?
Apr 22 16:50:31 <lagann> Ankhwatcher: http://stackoverflow.com/a/10600736
Apr 22 16:52:44 <Ankhwatcher> lagann: cool! thanks
Apr 22 16:52:59 <lagann> Ankhwatcher: you're welcome
Apr 22 16:59:09 <mikedg> GLASS
Apr 22 16:59:35 <mikedg> Just read that they are adding wink gestures to take pictures
Apr 22 16:59:47 <mikedg> I hope they also add lip licking to trigger a video
Apr 22 17:00:17 <Chainfire> LL Cool J going to record a lot of videos then
Apr 22 17:00:45 <Chainfire> do we really want that ?
Apr 22 17:01:35 <Sonicadvance1> You don't?
Apr 22 17:01:45 <mikedg> i'd join a bangout hosted by LL cool j
Apr 22 17:03:06 <Leeds> a... bangout?
Apr 22 17:04:29 <Ankhwatcher> I was wondering if that was mistake or not
Apr 22 17:04:35 <mikedg> yeah, it's when you have google glass and you host a Hangout while you are banging some chick
Apr 22 17:04:41 <mikedg> it's what the high school kids are doing
Apr 22 17:04:49 <mikedg> Oprah said so
Apr 22 17:05:02 <Younos> right
Apr 22 17:05:09 <Ankhwatcher> mikedg: You could be the next Snap-Chat!
Apr 22 17:05:57 <mikedg> is it too early to make boston marathon jokes?
Apr 22 17:06:05 <mikedg> eh if i had to ask, it is
Apr 22 17:06:05 <mikedg> bah
Apr 22 17:11:45 <canadiancow> mikedg...
Apr 22 17:11:53 <mikedg> sup canadiancow
Apr 22 17:12:09 <canadiancow> not an appropriate topic for this channel :P
Apr 22 17:12:19 <mikedg> glass runs on android
Apr 22 17:12:22 <mikedg> only devs have glass now
Apr 22 17:12:35 <canadiancow> what?
Apr 22 17:12:57 <mikedg> oh marathon you mean
Apr 22 17:13:29 <mikedg> canadian cow unchained
Apr 22 17:13:30 <canadiancow> ok yoru bangouts are also not appropriate
Apr 22 17:13:32 <canadiancow> :P
Apr 22 17:16:02 <mikedg> thanks
Apr 22 17:17:53 <mikedg> dcandadian cow unchained!
Apr 22 17:19:43 <Sonicadvance1> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2mTNE31f5JTdmVHXy10a0dWSkE/edit?usp=sharing
Apr 22 17:19:52 <dr_Exntrk> ok.. I m a newbie to this but just wanted to knw if the nxt version of android key lime pie is going to hav seperate security locks for apps,inboxes,explorers,contacts etc
Apr 22 17:20:05 <Sonicadvance1> Broken Gamecube rendering maybe? :P
Apr 22 17:20:23 <Sonicadvance1> dr_Exntrk, I don't think they are going to release any information before Google IO
Apr 22 17:21:01 <Ankhwatcher> canadiancow: I don't think that's true, if we're working on Bangouts For Glass! The App which will make SnapChat look like the Gideon's Bible
Apr 22 17:22:10 <mikedg> dr_Exntrk: what do you mean?
Apr 22 17:22:51 <Quacked> do fullscreen ads generate a lot of clicks?
Apr 22 17:23:05 <sonOfRa> fullscreen generate a lot of me uninstalling applications instantly
Apr 22 17:23:08 <dr_Exntrk> lik a pattern lock only for a specific app instead of the phone
Apr 22 17:23:10 <f2prateek> probably more than the smaller ones
Apr 22 17:23:49 <Quacked> sonOfRa: thats what Im thinking too
Apr 22 17:24:00 <Quacked> sonOfRa: question is if they end up buying adfree version
Apr 22 17:24:05 <Chainfire> it depends on your target audience
Apr 22 17:24:07 <sonOfRa> i won't
Apr 22 17:24:35 <sonOfRa> If the ad-version is unusable, I'm sure as hell not going to pay for it to become just usable
Apr 22 17:25:02 <timroes> sonOfRa: second that, i only buy adfree stuff, if the ad version never bothered me with fullscreen shit
Apr 22 17:25:10 <timroes> but only because it was an excelent app i want to support
Apr 22 17:25:41 <timroes> and that it mostly do by not spaming me with fullscreen ads.. or even worse: notification ads or "buy our other stuff"
Apr 22 17:26:19 <timroes> earlier that was an instant deinstall and 1 star rating, though luckily since 4.0 if the app was really good otherwise then the notification i just block its notifications :)
Apr 22 17:28:48 <Quacked> problem is that target audience is rarely other devs
Apr 22 17:28:52 <Quacked> :P
Apr 22 17:29:12 <timroes> yeah those might not know you can block notifications and even after 4.0 deinstall the app
Apr 22 17:31:47 <jshriver> Greetings
Apr 22 17:31:58 <jshriver> is it possible to ssh into a android device and compile cli natively?
Apr 22 17:32:04 <Quacked> target audience for my app with ads is probably 40 year old women :P
Apr 22 17:32:25 <jshriver> Have some cli programs I'd like to port over. Then if possible write a very small GUI just to launch them.
Apr 22 17:33:01 <timroes> Quacked: yeah right just yesterday i talked with such a user, and she told me how she likes all this fullscreen ads providing her with usefull information. but couldn't get out more from her, cause she said she was late for a teaparty so she rode away on her unicorn
Apr 22 17:33:03 <timroes> ;)
Apr 22 17:33:25 <timroes> no honestly, why would that kind of audience like your fullscreen apps more than others?
Apr 22 17:33:32 <Quacked> haha
Apr 22 17:33:41 <timroes> or let me rephrase this
Apr 22 17:33:42 <Quacked> nah, that wasnt my point
Apr 22 17:33:49 <timroes> since you are not pointing for they liking your ad
Apr 22 17:33:56 <timroes> but for annoying them too much so they buy ad free
Apr 22 17:34:13 <Quacked> im suspecting none of them knows how to either buy or uninstall apps :D
Apr 22 17:34:27 <timroes> do you really think especially that audience, is an audience, saying: oh there are too much apps i will buy the adfree storage
Apr 22 17:34:56 <timroes> from my imagination (but ofc its just assumptions from the less ppl from that audience I know) especially that group will go like: meh there is ads, click them away
Apr 22 17:35:11 <jshriver> Is it possible for an Android GUI based app to spawn a command-line app?
Apr 22 17:35:52 <timroes> jshriver: Runtime.getRuntime().exec("command");
Apr 22 17:36:08 <jshriver> thank you
Apr 22 17:36:10 <Quacked> timroes: my mom once signed up for receiving SMS through an ad
Apr 22 17:36:12 <jshriver> exit
Apr 22 17:36:19 <Quacked> timroes: so now she panicks every time she sees an ad :P
Apr 22 17:36:30 <Chainfire> my mom once "won a free vacation" ;)
Apr 22 17:36:35 <Quacked> or doesnt know whether its an app or not
Apr 22 17:36:40 <Quacked> :D
Apr 22 17:37:03 <timroes> Chainfire: yeah and i won already billions, but unfortunately i have spend them all already, but the money hasn't arrive yet from the spanish state lottery :(
Apr 22 17:39:51 <Quacked> I need to go into my thinking cave to come up with a new app idea
Apr 22 17:40:30 <Quacked> this time maybe focusing on something making a bit of a revenue
Apr 22 17:40:58 <timroes> Quacked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L00gnj3jeQo :)
Apr 22 17:42:29 <Quacked> I need to get one of those disco balls in my cave!
Apr 22 17:48:21 <Marlinc> Is it possible to get a specific entry from a keystore?
Apr 22 17:48:29 <Marlinc> So I can put it in another keystore
Apr 22 18:01:12 <jdawes> What might be causing a cursor to return false on the moveToFirst() call the first time around, but on the second time around it returns true?
Apr 22 18:01:34 <jdawes> Does that have to do with whether or not the database is open?
Apr 22 18:03:47 <maslen> I'm  writing an academic paper related to the importance of creating  bug-free mobile apps and need some statistics. Can you help? (6 multiple  choice questions) http://tinyurl.com/mobileexperience
Apr 22 18:04:52 <Brian|CS> So, there is no simple way to make a previuos entry into the play store forward to a new entry
Apr 22 18:05:12 <Brian|CS> e.g. I redid an app, and say that app already has QR codes printed that link to its old existence, but the new existence has a new URL
Apr 22 18:07:11 <Marlinc> No there is no way
Apr 22 18:07:32 <Marlinc> What I did is simply push an update with the new app
Apr 22 18:07:43 <Marlinc> Using the same package name and a new version code
Apr 22 18:08:06 <Myr> Quick question: in android APK there is a folder called lib which contains armeabi-v7a. Is this folder independent from the actual program? And if yes, is it possible to find a zip containing the armeabi libraries?
Apr 22 18:08:09 <Unknown0BC> mmm, hi. Which development environment is best for coding Android apps under linux ?
Apr 22 18:09:30 <jdawes> Unknown0BC: I'd take your pick between Eclipse or Intellij IDEA
Apr 22 18:09:36 <xorgate> myr this is a file compiled from C/C++ code to run on ARM processors
Apr 22 18:10:14 <Myr> So the actual program is in there? not just a standard library? :/
Apr 22 18:10:37 <xorgate> myr programmers can make these libs if they want code to be faster than normal java code
Apr 22 18:10:53 <xorgate> it's specific to this app
Apr 22 18:11:09 <Myr> If they would want that... why is there so much tutorial junk in it :P
Apr 22 18:11:27 <Unknown0BC> jdawes, Eclipse I think will do :), where can I read a good tut on starting with Android coding using eclipse ?
Apr 22 18:11:32 <Myr> Anyhow, is there a way to convert armeabi-v7a to v6?
Apr 22 18:12:24 <Mavrik> Myr, there is probably a good reason why developer compiled that part of code for v7 only
Apr 22 18:12:34 <Brian|CS> Marlinc: I was hoping that wasn't my only option
Apr 22 18:12:43 <Brian|CS> but that was my initial response to the issue
Apr 22 18:12:46 <Brian|CS> so I guess thats what I'll do
Apr 22 18:13:07 <xorgate> myr what are you trying to do
Apr 22 18:13:40 <maslen> I'm  writing an academic paper related to the importance of creating  less-buggy mobile apps and need some statistics. Can you help? (6 multiple  choice questions) https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1aVRDNN0sAGP-SYn_-971vjx8jdTlUXmSHLeSHsl9ug0/viewform
Apr 22 18:13:57 <Myr> Remove junk files (empty folders + Tutorials) and convert the application to be compatible with my phone
Apr 22 18:14:00 <jdawes> Unknown0BC: Go peruse http://developer.android.com/, you'll find the answers to most of your questions there. But specifically for setup go here: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Apr 22 18:14:21 <Unknown0BC> jdawes, ty
Apr 22 18:18:17 <birbeck> got my htc one today :-)
Apr 22 18:18:33 * Marlinc wants the LG Nexus 4
Apr 22 18:18:43 <birbeck> meh, i have that already
Apr 22 18:19:03 <Cylon117> Hello guys
Apr 22 18:20:00 <Cylon117> Guys, when you have a while loop in a Runnable
Apr 22 18:20:11 <Cylon117> my hole Activity pause too
Apr 22 18:20:15 <Cylon117> how can i fix that?
Apr 22 18:23:49 <JesusFreke> Cylon117: don't run the runnable on the UI thread
Apr 22 18:24:53 <Cylon117> JesusFreke: Ah okey but i need change TextViews too and that can be only done on a UI Thread
Apr 22 18:26:22 <birbeck> Cylon117: create a handler and post to it from the thread
Apr 22 18:26:50 <Cylon117> Hmmm thats a nice one birbeck
Apr 22 18:26:58 <Cylon117> i gonna try it out ;)
Apr 22 18:27:22 <Cylon117> thanks helping me out so far ;)
Apr 22 18:28:18 <JesusFreke> Cylon117: use an AsyncTask
Apr 22 18:28:30 <birbeck> thats another option
Apr 22 18:28:36 <JesusFreke> you can do the UI stuff in onPostExecute, or whatever it's called
Apr 22 18:28:58 <JesusFreke> assuming you just need to update the textview based on the result of the runnable
Apr 22 18:29:23 <JesusFreke> otherwise, yeah. you'll need to post messages to a handler on the UI thread
Apr 22 18:29:46 <Cylon117> Its more a status message for the Splash Screen
Apr 22 18:30:15 <Cylon117> so i can better make a handler for the Status Message
Apr 22 18:37:38 <mlpug> Unknown0BC, I started two days ago. I have an SDK without any ide on ubuntu. I am able to do smallish apps and dont know yet what goodies exactly I am missing as I am not using any ide. I plan to study later if I should migrate to Eclipse or something.
Apr 22 18:38:45 <Unknown0BC> mlpug, I see, well have fun.
Apr 22 18:38:48 * Unknown0BC gotta go.
Apr 22 18:38:49 <Unknown0BC> cheers.
Apr 22 18:42:10 <borillion> any recommendation on where I can find more info about enabling wl12xx correcting in a kernel through menuconfig?
Apr 22 18:43:34 <birbeck> grep?
Apr 22 18:44:53 <amitt> hi all, I'm trying to debug a loadlibrary issue that occurs on specific android 2.3.x devices (in this case the Samsung Galaxy Y).
Apr 22 18:44:53 <Ankhwatcher> Has anyone worked with Map Markers? I am creating mine from a bitmap of a circle, but they are aligning to the bottom of the circle. How can I align them to the center of the circle?
Apr 22 18:45:30 <amitt> Strace doesn't seem to want to connect to the process for further debug info, has anyone ever seen this? It attaches and detaches immediately
Apr 22 18:47:30 <Ankhwatcher> I think I found it
Apr 22 18:47:41 <Ankhwatcher> there is an .anchor() option for Markers
Apr 22 18:47:44 <Ankhwatcher> sounds promising
Apr 22 18:51:06 <pfn> has anyone written a decent 'top' app for android?
Apr 22 18:51:32 <pfn> I want an instantaneous powertop and top app so that I can see wtf my phone starts burning up sometimes
Apr 22 18:58:57 <dragorn> pfn: open a terminal, run top? :)
Apr 22 18:59:06 <pfn> top sucks for numerous reasons
Apr 22 19:05:43 <pfn> among them, on android, it doesn't display cpu usage
Apr 22 19:05:50 <pfn> nor does it display powertop counters
Apr 22 19:06:45 <Napalm|afk> hey pfn
Apr 22 19:06:49 <tortal> how do i get the javadoc for google-play-services lib to be shown properly inside eclipse?
Apr 22 19:06:50 <pfn> sup man
Apr 22 19:07:27 <pfn> hmm, it does show cpu time
Apr 22 19:07:38 <pfn> interesting, I thought I didn't see it before, oh well, at least that's one thing ticked off
Apr 22 19:07:42 <jdawes> So, how is it possible for the same database object to return different things with the same query?
Apr 22 19:07:49 <Napalm> tortal: i can explain
Apr 22 19:07:57 <tortal> Napalm please
Apr 22 19:08:08 <jdawes> I am able to get a proper cursor on the first call but on the second call in a different activity I can't get a cursor that has any information.
Apr 22 19:08:23 <pfn> jdawes, you're clearly doing something wrong
Apr 22 19:08:32 <pfn> e.g. not opening the same database
Apr 22 19:08:33 <jdawes> pfn: You're right.
Apr 22 19:08:41 <pfn> or opening the database while it's been locked elsewhere
Apr 22 19:08:42 <pfn> etc.
Apr 22 19:09:01 <pfn> since we can't divine what your code is doing, that's up to you to figure out
Apr 22 19:09:01 <Napalm> tortal: whats the filename of the jar?
Apr 22 19:09:16 * pfn wonders why cuttherope runs for no reason
Apr 22 19:09:29 <jdawes> Well, all I've done since I changed the project was add a column to the database, I've remade the database on the device, and I've tried uninstalling the project on the device to make sure.
Apr 22 19:09:37 <tortal> google-play-services_lib.jar
Apr 22 19:09:48 <dragorn> if you're opening a db for RW access you can only do that from one activity at a time
Apr 22 19:09:58 <tortal> i know when i imported guava libs i made .properties files
Apr 22 19:10:13 <jdawes> dragorn: You mean like when I call "getWriteableDatabase()"?
Apr 22 19:10:13 <Napalm> yes, why not do the same?
Apr 22 19:10:27 <tortal> umm.. :)
Apr 22 19:10:34 <tortal> where is it ? the javadoc
Apr 22 19:10:57 <dragorn> jdawes: whatever mechanism you use to open the database, yes.  it can only be opened for write by one thing at a time
Apr 22 19:11:18 <jdawes> dragorn: Yeah, I haven't changed where I open the database since my last, working, commit
Apr 22 19:11:29 <dragorn> time to do debugging then
Apr 22 19:11:50 <jdawes> dragorn: Yeah I came here to get some insight, I've been debugging for over an hour.
Apr 22 19:12:07 <dragorn> considering i have no diea what your code is, what it does, how your activities interact, etc
Apr 22 19:12:08 <pfn> you were just given insight
Apr 22 19:12:13 <pfn> don't open for rw from multiple places
Apr 22 19:12:17 <jdawes> pfn: I know, I never said I didn't.
Apr 22 19:12:20 <pfn> make sure you're actually operating on the same database file
Apr 22 19:12:35 <dragorn> it's pretty damn hard to give any specific insight other than "if you're opening it from two activities, the second one isn't going to work if you're opening it RW."
Apr 22 19:12:49 <jdawes> Guys, I am thankful, sorry that didn't come across well
Apr 22 19:12:57 <dragorn> and I'm not so sure what it will do if you open it RO and change it out from under the cursor you have referencing it, either
Apr 22 19:13:05 <dragorn> (via another rw opening)
Apr 22 19:13:10 <Napalm> tortal: go to this dir and copy the properties file SDK\extras\google\google_play_services\libproject\google-play-services_lib\libs
Apr 22 19:13:29 <kifst> Anyone know of a good way of getting the various icon sizes somewhat automized? (on linux if relevant)
Apr 22 19:13:50 <dragorn> kifst: the android tools in eclipse can make drawables for you now
Apr 22 19:14:07 <dragorn> kifst: new, other, 'android icon set' as I recall
Apr 22 19:15:13 <tortal> Napalm: hold on
Apr 22 19:15:25 <kifst> dragorn: cool, thanks!
Apr 22 19:16:44 <pfn> hmm, I wanna update my sbt plugin with more cool support crap
Apr 22 19:21:16 <tortal> Napalm: thx. i messed things upp some now but you helped me point out the problem. I had copied the lib to workspace making the relative doc referral invalid.
Apr 22 19:21:54 <Napalm> that'll do it
Apr 22 19:21:56 <Napalm> heh
Apr 22 19:22:24 <paulovap> Guys, i have a 3 tab app, and i need to maintain a backstack of fragments for each tab, what is the best approach to archieve this?
Apr 22 19:22:38 <tortal> :>
Apr 22 19:22:47 <jdawes> dragorn, pfn: I knew this would happen but it turns out I'm an idiot. Thanks for the help.
Apr 22 19:23:04 <mikedg> paulovap: i hate your app
Apr 22 19:23:20 <mikedg> just use buttons instead of tabs and add the fragment as your normally would
Apr 22 19:24:07 <Napalm> hey mikey
Apr 22 19:24:29 <paulovap> mikedg: i'm sorry to hear that..what's wrong with tabs?
Apr 22 19:24:44 <mikedg> it's backstacking through stuff that seems like tabs that sucks
Apr 22 19:25:00 <mikedg> tabs indicate a flat hierarchy
Apr 22 19:26:37 <paulovap> ok, let's just say i'm using buttons instead, i still need to keep a stack for each button, do i really have to manage each stack manually?
Apr 22 19:38:53 <maslen> Is it legal (I know it's not good) to update a View from a Service?
Apr 22 19:40:18 <pfn> how would you be able to
Apr 22 19:40:25 <pfn> and it's always ok to update UI on UI thread
Apr 22 19:40:29 <pfn> regardless of where you are
Apr 22 19:41:11 <mystiiq> how can I use GCM inside emulator?
Apr 22 19:41:39 <maslen> What does "UI Thread" mean in that context? I thought "UI Thread" was the Thread responsible for interacting with the UI, that is called by a callback or the like
Apr 22 19:41:58 <pfn> the UI thread is the UI thread
Apr 22 19:42:07 <pfn> there is always 1 UI thread within an application
Apr 22 19:42:14 <pfn> and it is the default thread upon which everything you write executes
Apr 22 19:42:21 <pfn> (other than stuff that explicitly runs async)
Apr 22 19:42:40 <maslen> Oh
Apr 22 20:19:38 <kifst> when creating an icon set with eclipse, how do i add no padding? (set at 15%)
Apr 22 20:23:01 <Danguafer> Greetings! I would like to make a question about the NDK.
Apr 22 20:24:26 <Danguafer> We have now Android running for three different archs. When I am developing a native application, how can I make it to work on different archs?
Apr 22 20:26:07 <Danguafer> Do I need to generate three different apks or the native codes for the different archs will be all packed inside the same apk?
Apr 22 20:29:30 <hector_salamanca> Im getting a Calling startActivity() from outside an Activity context requires FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK error. But I am setting that flag in the listview of my calling activity.
Apr 22 20:32:46 <plaisthos> has the respond to comments feature now been enabled for all developers?
Apr 22 20:36:24 <jdawes> How would I avoid memory errors if I want to load 48 images, each 688x688. Will I need to make smaller images or can I scale compress/scale them in some way?
Apr 22 20:36:57 <pfn> don't keep all 48 loaded at once
Apr 22 20:37:21 <pfn> no matter what you do, each image will take up 1.8mb in memory
Apr 22 20:37:25 <pfn> it is the nature of bitmaps
Apr 22 20:37:58 <jdawes> well I need to display 16 at a time in a grid. 48 because three pages in a viewpager.
Apr 22 20:38:14 <pfn> only load the bitmaps up when the page is visible
Apr 22 20:38:36 <pfn> alternatively, blt the images onto a surface from ndk
Apr 22 20:39:10 <pfn> and maintain all your images in ndk
Apr 22 20:39:35 <pfn> of course, that's roughly 100mb of ram if you want to keep them all in memory, still
Apr 22 20:39:49 <jdawes> I think the first one will be easier for me to learn about and implement, thanks.
Apr 22 20:40:59 <jdawes> pfn: Where did you get teh 1.8mb number? I assumed it would be 688x688/1024/1024 but it's not.
Apr 22 20:41:09 <jdawes> Just for future reference.
Apr 22 20:41:24 <pfn> 688 * 688 total pixels, and 4 bytes per pixel
Apr 22 20:41:34 <pfn> 688*688*4
Apr 22 20:41:46 <pfn> 8 bits per channel argb
Apr 22 20:44:00 <maslen> What's the "a"? Alpha ?
Apr 22 20:45:23 <jdawes> Oh wow, I should have figured that out.
Apr 22 20:51:05 <deadmund> Using audioTrack in streaming mode.  There is an audible click every time data is written in using audioTrack.write().  I am using a buffersize that is four times the minimum and my code guarantees that the samples follow the sin wave perfectly and there is no discontinuous bits, even between audioTrack.write calls.  What is causing this click noise?
Apr 22 20:51:31 <gdogg> hey guys. I dropped my phone and the screen doesn';t work, but the rest does. Could I use ddms or adb to forward my screen to my pc so I can check my messages and such?
Apr 22 20:51:55 <Estragon> hi
Apr 22 20:52:34 <Estragon> I implemented BaseAdapter and my data are subject to change so I call notifyDatasetChanged() but it only refresh when I drag / touch the listview
Apr 22 20:53:28 <SimonVT> Are you calling notifyDataSetChanged from a background thread?
Apr 22 20:54:14 <Estragon> wow
Apr 22 20:54:20 <Estragon> thanks
Apr 22 20:54:40 <Estragon> but loopj library was supposed to do onSuccess on main thread
Apr 22 20:54:43 <Estragon> thats odd
Apr 22 20:54:50 <Estragon> anyway, you solved it :) Thanks
Apr 22 21:18:47 <Cylon117> Yes it works goot JesusFreke and birbeck
Apr 22 21:29:03 <dennda> I'm setting a TextView's background to a 9patch image, but then the text doesn't render anymore. Any idea why?
Apr 22 21:34:13 <dennda> Pretty much this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9555394/dissapearing-text-when-setting-a-textview-background-in-android
Apr 22 21:38:02 <Sirolf> dennda: maybe you could try putting a textview on a relativeLayout with the background?
Apr 22 21:38:29 <dennda> hmmm, interesting idea
Apr 22 21:41:01 <Sirolf> I've only used xml files with gradient shapes as a background for textviews so far ... that works fine ... No idea what happens when you add an image ;-)
Apr 22 21:43:45 <ian_ford> Anybody know how to change the glow color that displays at the ends of a ListView when you hit the end of the scrollable area?
Apr 22 21:47:20 <Sirolf> ian_ford : listView.setCacheColorHint(0);  ?
Apr 22 21:47:34 <ian_ford> Sirolf: I'll try that out :)
Apr 22 21:47:41 <kevinb> setOverscrollHeader and setOverscrollFooter
Apr 22 21:49:17 <ian_ford> Woah, I'll try those too
Apr 22 21:49:42 <Sirolf> oh yeah that one ;-)
Apr 22 21:52:10 <etcetera> anyone know if there's a dip way to put 30% padding relative to it's parent all around a linearlayout?
Apr 22 21:54:01 <ian_ford> Hmm, none of these properties worked
Apr 22 21:54:09 <ian_ford> The glow is still very much native blue
Apr 22 21:54:25 <ian_ford> Maybe I'm applying them incorrectly
Apr 22 21:54:50 <dennda> Sirolf: that also doesn't render the text. wtf.
Apr 22 21:55:22 <Sirolf> hmm
Apr 22 21:56:32 <Sirolf> dennda: just to be sure ... it's no same color problem?;-)
Apr 22 21:56:56 <dennda> of course not
Apr 22 21:57:02 <dennda> if I set a solid color as the background, it works
Apr 22 21:57:12 <Sirolf> :)
Apr 22 21:57:53 <dennda> So I guess I'm back to square one, which is use an image view and a text view, and try to align/size them properly. I tried that before, and it's tricky
Apr 22 21:58:28 <dennda> The text view's X position should depend on its width and the image view's right edge, and the image view's width needs to depend on the text view's width
Apr 22 22:00:46 <Sirolf> hmm
Apr 22 22:03:54 <Sirolf> dennda : when I try the code of the link you posten and use the ic_launcher drawable it works just fine for me
Apr 22 22:04:46 <dennda> Sirolf: I'm trying this on a nexus 4, and it doesn't work. In that preview thingie it works for me as well
Apr 22 22:05:01 <dennda> Not sure if that's what you meant by ic_launcher, I'm kinda new to android
Apr 22 22:05:53 <Sirolf> the default added ic_launcher.png icon ;-)
Apr 22 22:06:06 <Sirolf> I just tryed on nexus 7
Apr 22 22:06:46 <dennda> Sirolf: and?
Apr 22 22:06:53 <Sirolf> it works fine
Apr 22 22:08:39 <etcetera> hmm, do you guys prefer to use dp or prefer to use relative layout mechanisms?
Apr 22 22:11:32 <Sirolf> dennda I sent you a pm with code that works for me
Apr 22 22:13:25 <dennda_> Sirolf: can you gist that? There's been a netsplit and my other client died
Apr 22 22:14:02 <Sirolf> ok
Apr 22 22:18:22 <bitkiller> a basic question. I saw somewhere in the web that Service.stopService is asynchronous. But that's not my experience. stopService only returns after onDestroy has finished.
Apr 22 22:18:34 <pfn> huh
Apr 22 22:18:51 <bitkiller> the question: should I believe in what I'm seeing or in what people say?
Apr 22 22:18:59 <pfn> oh, all lifecycle methods occur on the main thread
Apr 22 22:19:14 <pfn> the call itself is async, but you'll block on any lifecycle methods
Apr 22 22:19:41 <pfn> i.e. stopService might return immediately, but the next message handled in queue may block
Apr 22 22:19:57 <pfn> for all intents and purposes, do not put any blocking code in any lifecycle method
Apr 22 22:20:00 <pfn> never ever
Apr 22 22:20:02 <bitkiller> pfn, good. Now I understand
Apr 22 22:20:45 <bitkiller> pfn, thanks for the clarification. I may have missed something while learning to use services
Apr 22 22:21:48 <pfn> well, it's something that isn't called out so clearly in android overall (plus assumes a strong underlying knowledge of concurrency and UI development models)
Apr 22 22:30:11 <g00s> anyone know the trick to getting the emu w/x86 image to run as a background job from bash on OS X? 'emulator … &' doesn't do it anymore (this /used/ to work), seems like it starts and then hangs a few seconds later waiting for something. i then have to manually put it in the fg for it to continue. nohup doesn't work either.
Apr 22 22:31:14 <g00s> i wonder if the intel kext is doing something weird
Apr 22 22:50:11 <psyclopolis> why is this land.setPixel(p1x+i,p1y+j, Color.parseColor(years[inyear][p][2]));
Apr 22 22:50:11 <psyclopolis>  causing a crash in android 2.2 but not in 4.0.3 ?
Apr 22 22:51:41 <pragma-> because stacktrace
Apr 22 22:53:42 <psyclopolis> pragma- http://pastie.org/7700054
Apr 22 22:58:59 <Sirolf> is there anyway to identify a unique app purchase ? token/nonce wise maybe? or even just retrieve the buyers google id ?
Apr 22 22:58:59 <pfn> get the source for 2.2 and look at line 847 of bitmap.java
Apr 22 23:01:12 <Sirolf> really been looking for a long time now .. I cant imagen it's not possible at all
Apr 22 23:03:55 <psyclopolis> pfn: here it is:  http://pastie.org/7700105
Apr 22 23:04:26 <psyclopolis> Why would it not be mutable in 2.2 but is in 4.0.3?
Apr 22 23:08:33 <Sirolf> psyclopolis maybe because of how you set the bitmap?
Apr 22 23:09:32 <psyclopolis> Sirolf: land = BitmapFactory.decodeResource(getResources(), R.drawable.mydrawable)
Apr 22 23:12:02 <Sirolf> psyclopolis : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4349075/bitmapfactory-decoderesource-returns-a-mutable-bitmap-in-android-2-2-and-an-immu
Apr 22 23:13:12 <psyclopolis> Sirolf: Thank you very much, good find
Apr 22 23:14:07 <Sirolf> np :)
Apr 22 23:26:11 <etcetera> is there a more active place on freenode for android development questions?
Apr 22 23:26:20 <xorgate> nope
Apr 22 23:26:23 <etcetera> or anywhere else?
Apr 22 23:26:28 <xorgate> stackoverfow
Apr 22 23:26:37 <canadiancow> this place is pretty active at times
Apr 22 23:26:56 <canadiancow> just dont come in here expecting every expert to answer your question in 3 seconds, and you should be fine :)
Apr 22 23:35:19 <etcetera> when you do a fragment transaction. and you want to replace a linearlayout with a relativelayout...
Apr 22 23:35:27 <etcetera> is that even possible? or does it need to be of the same type
Apr 22 23:35:51 <xorgate> fragment != layout
Apr 22 23:36:11 <xorgate> other than that, there's no problem
Apr 22 23:37:08 <etcetera> xorgate: given that I have an activity that inflates a file containing a linearlayout, which contains another linearlayout (calling it container).
Apr 22 23:37:28 <etcetera> if I take the container object of type linear layout, and "replace" it with a fragment xml that's root is another linearlayout....it should work fine right?
Apr 22 23:38:00 <xorgate> a fragment is placed in a layout so sure
Apr 22 23:47:37 <etcetera> xorgate: if I replace a fragment, why is the fragment previous to it..."beneath" the new fragment?
Apr 22 23:47:56 <xorgate> that would require some code
Apr 22 23:48:08 <etcetera> remove?
Apr 22 23:48:13 <xorgate> as in, i dont know what's going wrong without seeing code
Apr 22 23:52:09 <JakeWharton> weren't you talking about declaring fragments in XML?
Apr 22 23:52:14 <JakeWharton> you can't replace fragments declared in XML
Apr 22 23:52:30 * kakazza learned this the hard way
Apr 22 23:52:47 <kakazza> I did not see this written down anywhere, though.
Apr 22 23:53:14 <kakazza> JakeWharton: btw, your tweets from a few days ago are gone. Why? Just wanted to read them again. :\
Apr 22 23:54:26 <etcetera> ah it seems if the background for a layout is transparent the replace function will not dispose of the previous fragment.
Apr 22 23:54:35 <etcetera> just remove it from the top of the hierarchy.
Apr 22 23:55:00 <JakeWharton> etcetera: no. proper transactions will remove the views
Apr 22 23:55:15 <etcetera> odd. not the case.
Apr 22 23:55:44 <JakeWharton> then you are doing it wrong
Apr 22 23:56:20 <etcetera> JakeWharton: I really don't think so - the previous layout is still "beneath" the new layout.
Apr 22 23:56:37 <JakeWharton> kakazza: bottom of the page: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/creating.html
Apr 22 23:58:38 <JakeWharton> etcetera: i'm happy to point you to the code in FragmentManagerImpl that does this
Apr 22 23:58:58 <etcetera> sure...
Apr 22 23:59:14 <etcetera> I'm just saying, given my usage of fragment manager and documentation, I'm not certain what I'm doing wrong.
Apr 23 00:00:22 <JakeWharton> are you declaring fragments in XML?
Apr 23 00:00:35 <etcetera> yes, as linearlayouts.
Apr 23 00:00:49 <JakeWharton> then that's what you are doing wrong, as I initially said above
Apr 23 00:01:09 <etcetera> I'm not declaring a fragment type from xml.
Apr 23 00:01:21 <etcetera> I'm declaring a layout type, and trying to replace one, with another.
Apr 23 00:01:42 <JakeWharton> why don't you paste some code
Apr 23 00:01:50 <JakeWharton> perhaps it will communicate what you are doing better
Apr 23 00:04:47 <JakeWharton> s/paste/pastebin/
Apr 23 00:05:30 * kakazza wanders off, without Jake's tweets :|
Apr 23 00:06:35 <JakeWharton> kakazza: I was drunk for about 70% of the weekend. I probably wrote and deleted a bunch of nonsense.
Apr 23 00:06:50 <JakeWharton> or maybe I was trying to DM
Apr 23 00:06:55 <kakazza> DM?
Apr 23 00:06:58 <JakeWharton> direct message
Apr 23 00:07:03 <kakazza> eh
Apr 23 00:07:09 <kakazza> 70%, u mad ;)
Apr 23 00:07:17 <JakeWharton> not anymore
Apr 23 00:09:55 <kakazza> Fair enough.
Apr 23 00:11:05 <JakeWharton> although i'm dealing with fragments at the moment, so the anger is growing
Apr 23 00:11:12 <JakeWharton> maybe they'll be deprecated in API 18
Apr 23 00:11:20 <JakeWharton> a girl can dream...
Apr 23 00:11:31 <codebutler> hah. I'd support that as well.
Apr 23 00:36:56 <xastey> anyone good with OpenGl ES 2.0.. having a bit of a problem
Apr 23 00:38:36 <pragma-> girl?
Apr 23 00:42:23 <g00s> i argued fragments were crap in 2010 , but many thought i was crazy
Apr 23 00:46:33 <kifst> could someone help me here please?? http://pastebin.com/82B5gcN2
Apr 23 00:46:48 <JakeWharton> thankfully subsequent arguments have confirmed our thoughts
Apr 23 00:49:08 <g00s> i also argued that Android was a security nightmare; the ACLU confirmed me there too :)
Apr 23 00:53:13 <g00s> hm, so what bad news today in the security arena; oh : BadNews installed on 1.2% android devices sold
Apr 23 00:57:16 <g00s> that would freak me out if someone was using a insecure device as a payment gateway
Apr 23 00:58:00 <xorgate> xastey just ask the q
Apr 23 01:00:05 <Gianfra> hello
Apr 23 01:00:18 <Gianfra> I am going crazy with an intent
Apr 23 01:00:39 <Gianfra> I am a newby
Apr 23 01:38:20 <kifst> how can i get the context menuinfo outside of the onCreateContextMenu method ?
Apr 23 01:40:33 <kifst> Anyone? ^
Apr 23 01:59:53 <pfn> kifst, store a reference to it in your onCreateContextMenu
Apr 23 02:00:29 <kifst> pfn: ie save it as a variable? (sorry, new to java)
Apr 23 02:00:40 <pfn> new to programming  :p
Apr 23 02:00:45 <pfn> and yes, save it as a variable
Apr 23 02:02:17 <kifst> pfn: actually not.. but things aren't working as expected, so things go to mush :P
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