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May 20 03:00:10 <g00s> O.O in Strategy Analytics is correct, Samsung is taking 95% of global profits on Android
May 20 03:19:34 <luoluoluo> hi there, I want a imageview's right edge to exceed it's container relativelayout's edge for tens of dp, can I do that?
May 20 03:20:39 <g00s> i dont think so
May 20 03:20:50 <g00s> did you want to expand its touch area ?
May 20 03:22:31 <luoluoluo> no
May 20 03:22:38 <luoluoluo> just for show
May 20 03:45:10 <JonMarkGo> So I just did a make Settings in JB ics-mr1 source, and it installs fine with adb but when it runs I get a bunch of nullpointerexceptions - anyone know the best way to diagnose the issue? I haven't modified the source at all except fo rremoving SharedUID from the manifest
May 20 03:50:40 <ron_frown> JonMarkGo what are you installing on
May 20 03:50:48 <JonMarkGo> Google Glass
May 20 03:51:06 <ron_frown> dont know wht to tell you
May 20 03:52:38 <JonMarkGo> ron_frown: https://gist.github.com/jonmarkgo/c5ba7a1102c79cb0d380 There's the error log if it helps at all
May 20 04:00:08 <g00s> ugh; if i have a TextView under a Spinner, how do i get the left margins of the Text to align ?
May 20 04:00:24 <g00s> both wrap_content, no margins
May 20 04:01:03 <g00s> the spinner is slightly offset
May 20 04:45:09 <damccull> migrating from eclipse to android studio...do I need to keep project.properties file?
May 20 04:45:13 <damccull> i think that's an eclipse file...
May 20 04:47:32 <pfn> project.properties is used for the ant build as well
May 20 04:47:51 <g00s> pfn: have you played around with Studio yet ?
May 20 04:47:55 <pfn> no
May 20 04:48:32 <g00s> me neither; just getting acquainted with the plain ide
May 20 04:48:58 <pfn> so, where's the comparo of AS vs. ADT?
May 20 04:49:12 <g00s> the one you're about to write :)
May 20 04:50:06 <damccull> what if it uses the new gradle build system? Still need it?
May 20 04:50:12 <pfn> well, I see that the d.android page says it's early preview, what's the roadmap for AS vs ADT then, will ADT be phased out? are they kept in sync?
May 20 04:50:14 <damccull> I exported the gradle file from eclipse
May 20 04:50:15 <g00s> it would be nice having a 3 yay compare : ADT / AS / CE + Androdi Plugin
May 20 04:50:29 <pfn> damccull, no idea, depends on how gradle loads up the stuff
May 20 04:50:36 <damccull> ok pfn thanks
May 20 04:50:43 <g00s> they didn't say its being phased out
May 20 04:50:49 <pfn> project.properties is easy to recreate
May 20 04:50:57 <pfn> just delete it, if it fails, android update project to recreate it
May 20 04:50:58 <g00s> sounds like they are going in parallel, but focus now is on AS to get it mature
May 20 04:50:59 <damccull> so if i delete it, no problem eh?
May 20 04:51:18 <pfn> damccull, yes
May 20 04:51:22 <damccull> thanks
May 20 04:51:35 <g00s> damccull: maybe try out AS first so you can go back to eclipse as a fall back :|
May 20 04:51:37 <pfn> project.properties is primarily used to manage android library projects and set the sdk level of your project, for builds outside of eclipse
May 20 04:51:51 <pfn> eclipse doesn't even really use it
May 20 04:51:53 <damccull> hmm i see
May 20 04:53:31 <damccull> to use abs, is it recommended to use one of the zips or clone the git?
May 20 04:55:26 <g00s> but you're not going to do release builds in eclipse or IJ, so keep that file :P
May 20 04:55:50 <g00s> right damccull :P ?
May 20 04:55:54 <damccull> g00s: what?
May 20 04:55:55 <g00s> right ?
May 20 04:58:51 <pfn> ugh, sdklib doesn't know how to find aapt and family correctly anymore  :(
May 20 05:01:31 <g00s> those paths changed; just put ymlinks
May 20 05:01:34 <g00s> heh
May 20 05:01:37 <g00s> symlinks :)
May 20 05:02:04 <g00s> intellij CE had the same issue
May 20 05:02:20 <damccull> so does intellij have the nifty xml editors like eclipse or is it a manual file edit? if the second, are there any intellisense-style assists?
May 20 05:03:00 <g00s> its xml with intellisense
May 20 05:03:08 <damccull> cool
May 20 05:03:36 <damccull> i suppose that'll force me to actually learn how the manifest file works ;D
May 20 05:03:44 <g00s> :)
May 20 05:04:00 <erdos> hey, so my layout requires a two column table like layout, is the standard way to do this with a TableLayout, with TableRow's, with LinearLayouts in there? that seems excessive and I remember the docs saying you should keep your layout as "flat" as possible...
May 20 05:04:02 <g00s> oh, i dont know anything about AS - jusr using plain CE
May 20 05:06:19 <alex_PP> wow, "hangouts" is confusing. this race to the bottom with the sliding drawer/menu concerns me
May 20 05:25:27 <g00s> heh
May 20 05:27:03 <g00s> make your whole app sliding drawers in sliding drawers ...
May 20 05:27:21 <g00s> InceptionDrawer
May 20 05:27:33 <lasserix> hehe
May 20 05:27:42 <summ1else> Drawerception
May 20 05:27:45 <lasserix> and you have to find the what did they call it? totem
May 20 05:44:21 <kulas> anyone has an idea of how I can make a notification that does nothing? all I want to do is that when the user clicks te notification, it disappears
May 20 05:45:07 <g00s> um
May 20 05:45:12 <g00s> that should be easy
May 20 05:45:28 <g00s> don't supply an intent? set auto-dismiss or whatever its called
May 20 05:45:57 <g00s> if you supply a null Intent and it crashes, just supply an Intent()
May 20 05:46:00 <g00s> with nothing
May 20 05:46:03 <kulas> ahhh
May 20 05:46:11 <kulas> yes, thanks!
May 20 05:46:17 <g00s> i used to be able to reboot 2.2 by supplying a null intent or something
May 20 05:51:24 <JakeWharton> damccull: zip and git are the same thing
May 20 05:51:59 <damccull> JakeWharton: thanks. Trying to set it up in android studio. Had some troubles. Ended up having to add the actionbarshherlock folder instead of library folder
May 20 05:52:09 <damccull> and add as a project dependency instead of library :D
May 20 05:53:29 <JakeWharton> There is no library folder anymore
May 20 05:54:47 <JakeWharton> But yeah, you did it correctly
May 20 05:56:06 <Abhijit> hi. i have res/layout and res/layout-xlarge whenever i make changes to activity_main.xml it affects both activity main in layout and layout xlarge. however this same does not happen with other activities. how to solve this? help please?
May 20 05:56:43 <damccull> oh...well my git repo still has one. DELETED!
May 20 05:58:14 <JakeWharton> damccull: if you did a pull then it may have hung around with untracked files generated by tools
May 20 06:00:31 <damccull> JakeWharton: how best to rid myself of them and get a pure copy?
May 20 06:01:18 <JakeWharton> git clean -dfx
May 20 06:01:31 <JakeWharton> Or just re-clone/download
May 20 06:02:54 <damccull> thanks JakeWharton
May 20 06:03:12 <damccull> i don't like to delete and reclone, then i have to set up my projects again. I always seem to do soemthing different lol
May 20 06:03:26 <erdos> hey when you're declaring a custom view in your xml, is there a shortcut instead of doing the whole package, ie. com.examples.testing.SquareButton ?
May 20 06:06:18 <damccull> erdos you could probably add your namespace to the xml root
May 20 06:06:32 <damccull> JakeWharton: uh oh...now it's saying it can't find the sherlock themes... :(
May 20 06:07:17 <olarf> maybe someone has a clue. i want to make a slideshow with images from my server. I have no better solution than do a slideshow with jquery and show it in a webview. Anyone with a better idea here?
May 20 06:07:50 <erdos> damcull: how would i go about that?
May 20 06:08:03 <damccull> erdos: like the android namespace is declared.
May 20 06:08:07 <damccull> google xml namespace
May 20 06:08:50 <erdos> okie dokie, thanks :)
May 20 06:10:05 <Mavrik> not really
May 20 06:10:12 <Mavrik> using a good IDE helps :P
May 20 06:11:20 <damccull> JakeWharton: nm i fixed that
May 20 06:15:06 <Abhijit> hi. i have res/layout and res/layout-xlarge whenever i make changes to activity_main.xml it affects both activity main in layout and layout xlarge. however this same does not happen with other activities. how to solve this? help please?
May 20 06:22:47 <Abhijit> hello?
May 20 06:27:34 <mbrochh> hi all. quick question: is it possible to create an app that observes if other apps get started? if so: is it possible to prevent that other app from starting? that would make an app blocker, so to speak :)
May 20 06:29:42 <erdos> can someone take a look at my layout and tell me why there's extra space to the right in the last element in the LinearLayout?
May 20 06:29:43 <erdos> http://pastebin.com/Vuzy5p1N
May 20 06:29:56 <erdos> http://dirkdirk.com/layout.png
May 20 06:30:46 <erdos> i thought if it's set up this way (with the TableLayout's width as wrap_content) the table width should only take up as much space as its children need?
May 20 06:31:00 <erdos> then the two TextViews will fill the rest of the screen
May 20 06:39:10 <lite_> Is it correct to say that using Handlers to communicate between the UI Thread and a service is like using a publish/subscribe pattern?
May 20 06:39:14 <nomo> erdos: i think it's because your buttons have width at wrap_content
May 20 06:39:48 <nomo> change it to 0dp and set weight to 1 it will fill the rows
May 20 06:40:29 <erdos> ah ok i'll try this
May 20 06:40:30 <erdos> 1 sec
May 20 06:41:59 <erdos> hmmm, nah that's not what i want because that stretches the width of the button
May 20 06:42:17 <erdos> i want the width of the table to be 2x the size of the button at it's smallest
May 20 06:42:21 <erdos> .. if that makes sense
May 20 06:43:14 <erdos> and if i use the weight thing in this case i don't know how the width will be set, since the parent width is wrap_content
May 20 06:43:25 <nomo> can you make an image of what you are trying to achieve ?
May 20 06:43:39 <erdos> sure
May 20 06:43:44 <lite_> Is it correct to say that using Handlers to communicate between the UI Thread and a service is like using a publish/subscribe pattern?
May 20 06:46:27 <Abhijit> hi. i have res/layout and res/layout-xlarge whenever i make changes to activity_main.xml it affects both activity main in layout and layout xlarge. however this same does not happen with other activities. how to solve this? help please?
May 20 06:47:56 <erdos> nomo: here's a picture of a more simple version http://dirkdirk.com/layout2.png , and its corresponding xml: http://pastebin.com/6HJQPUtb
May 20 06:48:18 <erdos> see how the third columns width is defined by how much space the button needs?
May 20 06:48:46 <erdos> if i made the text of the button longer, the other two Text's widths would squeeze in
May 20 06:49:16 <lite_> Why is it so hard to find common design patterns used when developing for Android ?
May 20 06:49:30 <lite_> I feel like I've used a bunch of them but cant really put my finger on the actual names and such
May 20 06:51:59 <erdos> nomo: u get me?
May 20 06:53:37 <Mavrik> uh, that xml really makes no sense
May 20 06:53:57 <erdos> really? why
May 20 06:55:16 <erdos> i'm going off what they're talking about here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/layout/linear.html
May 20 06:55:17 <Mavrik> linear layout is top level… so thy does it have parameters that work only as a child of relativelayout?
May 20 06:55:29 <Mavrik> and it has no orientation
May 20 06:56:08 <erdos> which parameters?
May 20 06:56:59 <erdos> and i thought you can omit the orientation if you want horizontal? that it's default
May 20 06:57:12 <Mavrik> iirc, lint is going to complain
May 20 06:57:30 <Mavrik> and alignparent stuff really works only inside a relativelayout, do you have that?
May 20 06:57:50 <erdos> oh right, that's just cruft
May 20 06:57:54 <erdos> ignore that, it's gone
May 20 06:57:56 <Mavrik> also, what exactly are you trying to achieve, your pictures aren't really clear. Have textviews with same widths?
May 20 06:58:07 <damccull> i broke it...why does my gnex not even show up in my device manager? not even as an unknown device
May 20 06:59:26 <erdos> ok, 3 views, the width of one defined as wrap_content, ie only as wide as it needs to be, the other two views to take up the rest of the space, evenly divided between the two
May 20 06:59:36 <nomo> erdos, try this: http://pastebin.com/JHZBWLDs
May 20 06:59:44 <erdos> it works fine as that second example, but the first example where im using a table i'm having problems
May 20 07:00:26 <erdos> oh sweet! i think that's it, 1 sec im just going to look at the xml
May 20 07:00:54 <Mavrik> ah
May 20 07:01:10 <erdos> ohhhh you put in another LinearLayout
May 20 07:01:19 <Mavrik> the real advice for those kind of layouts it seems is "write your own viewgroup, it's way easier than hacking together a monstrosity" :)
May 20 07:02:09 <erdos> custom viewgroup sounds tricky, but i will look into it
May 20 07:02:10 <nomo> erdos just remove the weight from tablelayout and give width wrap content
May 20 07:02:19 <lite_> Which design pattern does Androids Handler follow ?
May 20 07:02:25 <nomo> no need for linearlayout
May 20 07:02:33 <nomo> i just was trying things
May 20 07:02:45 <erdos> oh... i didn't realise i'd put a width on it :P
May 20 07:02:50 <erdos> thanks nomo!
May 20 07:02:53 <erdos> thanks Mavrik!
May 20 07:03:11 <Mavrik> erdos, it is tricky the first time yeah
May 20 07:03:23 <Mavrik> basically you need to override measure and layout
May 20 07:03:55 <Mavrik> but in the long run it's way faster and easier when you figure out how measuring views work, since you don't need to hack together nested views to get something you can easly calculate yourself once :)
May 20 07:04:21 <erdos> so much reading to do!
May 20 07:13:54 <kulas> I'm making an app that let you download pdf. How do I delete the pdf after the user opens it? Or there is a temp folder?
May 20 07:14:26 <kulas> I only want the file to be a temporary time in the user's device
May 20 07:14:46 <deebo> thats not really an easily solved problem
May 20 07:16:20 <kulas> I was thinking in deleting the file on the onResume method, so when the user returns to the app, the file is deleted
May 20 07:17:23 <Wuppy21_> Does anybody know what I am doing wrong when I get "Activity does not have parent name specified" on tablet, but not on phone androids?
May 20 07:17:25 <kulas> or maybe using startActivityForResult
May 20 07:20:27 <lite_> what does an abstract method look like in a class diagram?
May 20 07:20:36 <Wuppy21_> hold on
May 20 07:20:54 <Wuppy21_> What is wrong when my app crashes when I hit the top right button, but not the back button at the bottom?
May 20 07:21:30 <nullie> check exception
May 20 07:22:44 <Wuppy21_> anbyody?
May 20 07:23:20 <Jc_Dev> Wuppy21_: what is the exception?
May 20 07:23:38 <Wuppy21_> IllegalArgumentException
May 20 07:23:52 <Wuppy21_> Activity mine does not h ave a parent activity name specified
May 20 07:24:24 <Wuppy21_> Did you forget to add the android.support.PARENT_ACITITY<meta-data> element in your manifest
May 20 07:24:38 <Wuppy21_> but I have that there
May 20 07:25:01 <Jc_Dev> hmm
May 20 07:25:21 <Wuppy21_> and it only happens with the top right button on tablets, everything lelse works just fine
May 20 07:26:30 <Jc_Dev> sorry, i'm at a loss - it's beyond my limited experience, i haven't played with developing for tablets yet
May 20 07:27:03 <Jc_Dev> there is a property called android:parentActivityName that you can put on activities
May 20 07:27:15 <Wuppy21_> proof: http://pastebin.com/P1YMLG5s
May 20 07:27:59 <Abhijit> hi. i have res/layout and res/layout-xlarge whenever i make changes to activity_main.xml it affects both activity main in layout and layout xlarge. however this same does not happen with other activities. how to solve this? help please?
May 20 07:28:56 <Jc_Dev> Wuppy21_: shouldn't parentActivityName match the PARENT_ACTIVITY value?
May 20 07:30:02 <Jc_Dev> try setting android:value to com.wuppy.minecraftmod.mods.Mods
May 20 07:30:17 <Jc_Dev> just a guess
May 20 07:30:52 <Jc_Dev> Abhijit: I've noticed it only does that if they're named the exact same name
May 20 07:31:20 <Jc_Dev> at least, under res/drawables
May 20 07:31:26 <Wuppy21_> I tried, but it's still the same error
May 20 07:32:04 <Abhijit> Jc_Dev, obviously they will be exact same name. the java code is same we are just porting the layout for lager screen.
May 20 07:33:21 <Jc_Dev> Wuppy21_: maybe they're both supposed to be MainMenu? i'm not sure what the real parent activity is in this case...
May 20 07:33:29 <Wuppy21_> I tried
May 20 07:33:39 <Jc_Dev> fair enough
May 20 07:33:58 <appel1> Wuppy21_: what is the parent activity called?
May 20 07:45:10 <zhulikas> hey guys
May 20 07:45:21 <zhulikas> is there a way to open activity to setup proxy for currently connected wifi network?
May 20 07:45:53 <pboos> question: anyone working on a gradle plugin for deploy to google play as alpha/beta already?
May 20 07:46:34 <g00s> zhulikas: hmm … doubt it; if you look at the settings app, you'll probably see the pref framework start that with an intent. you could grab the target class for that - but its kinda iffy / risky
May 20 07:46:50 <g00s> if they change the class name, you're SOL
May 20 07:47:13 <g00s> so its not really a public contract - but, maybe i'm wrong
May 20 07:47:39 <g00s> pboos: i would expect google to be working on that :)
May 20 07:48:55 <Wuppy21_> WOOO it works
May 20 07:50:03 <pboos> g00s: well I wonder if they will write such a plugin. Kind of have the feeling that they won't...
May 20 07:51:11 <g00s> pboos: i guess you'll have to wait until the next I/O :D
May 20 07:51:34 <pboos> g00s: that would suck :) want to use beta/alpha nicely already :)
May 20 07:52:00 <g00s> pboos: ask for a feature request
May 20 07:52:02 <pboos> g00s: and why wait? i can just do it myself. not too difficult. would just take some hours.. (need to learn how to write plugins for gradle)
May 20 07:52:23 <lite_> Why do things like a ViewPager need an adapter. What is the purpose of the Adapter and why dont you simply supply the ViewPager itself with the fragments to be shown ?
May 20 07:52:35 <g00s> pboos: do you mean build configuration, or actually uploading that config to play like auto-deploy ?
May 20 07:56:25 <pboos> g00s: build-config is easy. just configure it to sign it correctly. i am talking about auto-deploy :) since they have the alpha apk upload now :)
May 20 07:56:45 <g00s> oh yeah, no idea how that could be done
May 20 07:56:49 <pboos> g00s: i hate manual tasks. so i want my build server to take care of everything :) maybe even production release.
May 20 07:57:07 <g00s> sounds cool :)
May 20 07:57:08 <pboos> g00s: i have an idea how. just wondered, if anyone is working on that already. guessing like I can't be the only one that wants that.
May 20 08:00:32 <erdos> hey where can i see the definition of what the borderlessButtonStyle is actually doing, i found it here https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/values/attrs.xml but it's not telling me anything
May 20 08:01:01 <SimonVT> In the themes
May 20 08:02:05 <erdos> SimonVT: u mean here https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/values/themes.xml ?
May 20 08:03:09 <SimonVT> Yes, then just follow it to a style
May 20 08:03:13 <SimonVT> From whatever theme you're using
May 20 08:03:36 <erdos> oh right cool thanks!
May 20 08:06:33 <Jc_Dev> is it ok to do SQLite stuff directly in an activity, or is there a common way of abstracting the data access part away from the activity - i looked at content providers but that seems to be overkill if i'm not planning on sharing the data outside the app...
May 20 08:09:14 <g00s> Jc_Dev: heh, its a tricky question. if your data model is really simple, and your content provider can be implemented in less than 100 lines, use that and set exported:false so you can use the stock helpers like CursorLoader
May 20 08:09:52 <g00s> if you get past the point of a simple CP, which is pretty easy, you can look at canadiancow 's code
May 20 08:10:03 <g00s> hold on
May 20 08:11:26 <g00s> https://code.google.com/p/platform-features-talk-io-2013/source/checkout
May 20 08:11:48 <g00s> see their cursor stuff, and watch his video when its out (from this years i/o)
May 20 08:12:18 <Jc_Dev> great thanks - i see he has his slides.pdf in there, i'll check it out
May 20 08:13:16 <g00s> the tricky part with dealing with db or any file i/o in android, is that to make sure it happens, it has to happen in a service
May 20 08:13:44 <g00s> or more precisely, the process has to be marked as higher priority because a service is running
May 20 08:13:46 <lasserix> service intent?
May 20 08:13:49 <Jc_Dev> what you suggested makes sense, a CursorLoader to grab a Cursor and then putting it in a CursorAdapter to power a ListFragment is roughly what i'm leaning towards
May 20 08:14:10 <g00s> using loaders is easy to query data
May 20 08:14:25 <g00s> pretty hassle free. saving is a different matter
May 20 08:14:48 <g00s> here is a shitty little class i am using now to ensure updates or handled
May 20 08:16:08 <erdos> man, a LOT of android questions have been asked and answered on stackoverflow, it's pretty good to be able to mash the keyboard with a few descriptive words and get an answer straight away!
May 20 08:16:19 <g00s> Jc_Dev: http://pastebin.com/f4KMhSUp
May 20 08:17:00 <g00s> that is meant for use with a provider
May 20 08:17:06 <g00s> its very simple, expand as you see fit
May 20 08:17:14 <g00s> notice i didn't even have a delete :)
May 20 08:17:20 <Jc_Dev> i like it
May 20 08:17:41 <g00s> COntentProviderOperationService.insert(context, uri. values) for example
May 20 08:18:16 <g00s> so, this of course would be ill suited for high performance ; bundles, garbage, etc. but for the occasional write its fine
May 20 08:18:21 <Jc_Dev> so it's not good enough to make the CP call for insert from a button click on an Add Form? there's edge cases where it might not go through?
May 20 08:18:48 <g00s> heh, well, its a metter of probability
May 20 08:19:09 <g00s> many people use preference editor.commit() in their activity
May 20 08:19:27 <g00s> that just spins up a thread to serialize xml to flash
May 20 08:19:37 <g00s> ok, back to your q
May 20 08:19:50 <g00s> you can often get away writing a little data to flash on the main thread
May 20 08:19:52 <Jc_Dev> i don't think i want to store my data in the preference system, i'd have to serialize to a string
May 20 08:20:07 <g00s> but its not considered good style
May 20 08:20:18 <g00s> hence the thread - i/o off the main thread
May 20 08:20:38 <Jc_Dev> oh i would do any DB work in the background
May 20 08:20:50 <Jc_Dev> *wouldn't
May 20 08:20:51 <g00s> yeah, thats why i used IntentService
May 20 08:21:12 <g00s> no, you should technically do i/o on non-ui thread
May 20 08:21:23 <g00s> it could take anywhere between 10-500ms
May 20 08:21:24 <Jc_Dev> yeah i'm agreeing, just typoing
May 20 08:22:05 <g00s> this is just where android is a major pita; its such a common task, but kinda inconvenient
May 20 08:22:23 <g00s> anyhow, the nice thing about the provider - if you do it right, is that it sends out a urinotification
May 20 08:22:33 <g00s> so if your UI is watching anything, it will get updated
May 20 08:23:33 <Jc_Dev> so "Add New Item" form adds via CP, "Main Screen" automatically includes it without manual code to force it to update...
May 20 08:24:18 <g00s> yeah, there should be no force update
May 20 08:24:45 <Jc_Dev> IntentService allows the update to occur in a non-cancellable way - I was planning on just using an AsyncTask for the updates, but it sounds like there's a probability of it getting interrupted?
May 20 08:24:52 <g00s> your cp will say "i just added a new thing in x/y/x" and your loader, which is watching x/y/x will auto requery
May 20 08:25:14 <Jc_Dev> excellent, basically .NET's ObservableCollection
May 20 08:25:18 <g00s> Jc_Dev: there is the *small* probability your process gets destroyed
May 20 08:25:46 <Jc_Dev> fair enough
May 20 08:25:46 <g00s> if you do this in a bg thread, then press home, and under memory stress android nukes your process you lost your write
May 20 08:25:59 <g00s> again, small probablility
May 20 08:26:13 <elegos> hello! since I've updated the ADT I can't make my app run on the device. It compiles fine, but when it's been executed it crashes every time it tries to access an external jar lib, which is in the "libs" folder of one of my linked projects - any idea?
May 20 08:26:22 <g00s> if you do some archaeology through old aosp code, you will see people really struggled with this;
May 20 08:26:27 <SpeedEvil> unless its Important. then it happens most of the time
May 20 08:26:29 <g00s> quite a few different ways to handle it
May 20 08:26:33 <Jc_Dev> elegos: you're in luck, i just went through this
May 20 08:26:35 <g00s> SpeedEvil: :D
May 20 08:26:47 <elegos> Jc_Dev: how did you solve the problem?
May 20 08:27:10 <elegos> it says it can't find the class 'xxx' referenced from method 'abc'
May 20 08:27:26 <g00s> Jc_Dev: also, you could do your write in AsyncTask, onPreExecute() start a EmptyService and onPostExecute stop the service
May 20 08:27:31 <g00s> a few different ways
May 20 08:28:23 <g00s> but remember service starts don't nest, so hehe, caveat emptor there
May 20 08:28:50 <g00s> i wish they released "Volley for databases"
May 20 08:29:00 <g00s> dealing with providers in android is the suck
May 20 08:29:19 <Jc_Dev> elegos: i don't know if it's the best way to fix it, but it worked for me:
May 20 08:29:19 <Jc_Dev>  1. Backup the jars somewhere.
May 20 08:29:19 <Jc_Dev>  2. Delete them from libs (this won't succeed because it is apparently confused, but I tried anyways).
May 20 08:29:19 <Jc_Dev>  3. Delete them from file system's libs folder. Press F5 or refresh in the UI.
May 20 08:29:20 <Jc_Dev>  4. Re-import them from right-click libs -> Import.
May 20 08:29:20 <Jc_Dev>  5. Make sure they are checkboxed under the Build Path -> Order and Export menu.
May 20 08:31:16 <Jc_Dev> g00s: good to know, i think i'm going to start out with an AsyncTask for now since the udpates are small and infrequent, but i'm going to keep that pastebin handy, i can see that being useful
May 20 08:32:26 <g00s> if anyone thinks my class sucks i would like to know; this all presume CP. also the CP has to explicitly handle transactions on applyBatch.
May 20 08:32:51 <Udmurt> Hi! Is there difference in resulting apk size if I use lib jar or lib sources?
May 20 08:33:24 <g00s> its more of a skeleton of an idea than anything
May 20 08:33:40 <g00s> inspired by Calendar AsyncQueryService
May 20 08:34:07 <Jc_Dev> Udmurt: i'd guess they'd be very close, try it and see! referencing jar is really just more of a convenience
May 20 08:34:27 <Jc_Dev> g00s: from what I see it looks like a good pattern
May 20 08:34:35 <g00s> ;)
May 20 08:34:51 <g00s> we're all waiting for jasta to show us something too :)
May 20 08:35:03 <elegos> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu didn't work
May 20 08:35:45 <Jc_Dev> elegos: did you already update ADT? i had to force it, as it wouldn't update via the Check for Updates technique
May 20 08:36:15 <elegos> Jc_Dev: I updated from the SDK manager and then updated in eclipse (it asked me to)
May 20 08:38:03 <Jc_Dev> it takes two rounsd of updates in SDK manager
May 20 08:38:08 <Jc_Dev> at least it did for me
May 20 08:39:14 <elegos> Jc_Dev: just checked: all updated for me
May 20 08:40:00 <Jc_Dev> elegos: to verify you are seeing the same problem as me, take a look at your apk - i bet it will be smaller than expected because it's not including the jars in it - some combination of re-importing the jars into the project seemed to fix it for me
May 20 08:40:05 <jasonmog> exported eclipse project to gradle format. imported in android studio. build. Gradle: Project 'null' not found in root project 'Digitilt Reader'.
May 20 08:40:37 <elegos> Jc_Dev: I've already re-imported the libs :S
May 20 08:40:42 <elegos> Jc_Dev: this is the full log: http://pastebin.com/XZ4zXYWd
May 20 08:41:07 <Jc_Dev> elegos: are they checkboxed in Order and Export?
May 20 08:41:15 <elegos> yep
May 20 08:41:23 <Jc_Dev> oh also i remembered one more thing
May 20 08:41:36 <Jc_Dev> i had to explicitly add one of them from the Libraries tab
May 20 08:42:07 <elegos> Jc_Dev: http://pbrd.co/YU7Efz & http://pbrd.co/YU7C7r
May 20 08:42:14 <Jc_Dev> maybe try removing and re-adding from Libraries
May 20 08:42:23 <elegos> did it twice <.<
May 20 08:42:35 <elegos> trying to exiting and entering Eclipse again, you never know <.<
May 20 08:42:54 <Jc_Dev> yeah, i did that a few times
May 20 08:43:12 <Jc_Dev> ok yeah yours is complaining about the android-support-v4.jar
May 20 08:43:28 <elegos> omfg
May 20 08:43:30 <Jc_Dev> you're missing that
May 20 08:43:43 <elegos> it's not finding the Json thing too
May 20 08:43:54 <elegos> Could not find class 'com.google.gson.JsonParser'
May 20 08:43:59 <elegos> which is in gson
May 20 08:44:42 <Jc_Dev> see if it's happier after you add the support jar
May 20 08:45:02 <elegos> nope
May 20 08:45:18 <Jc_Dev> different error now?
May 20 08:45:33 <elegos> have to go now, I'll try to fix this later <.<
May 20 08:45:43 <Jc_Dev> alright
May 20 08:45:47 <elegos> btw no, same error
May 20 08:46:14 <Jc_Dev> add lib, make sure it's checked... i dunno you're on the right track anyways
May 20 08:46:27 <elegos> I've got a jar (gson) for a project lib (TumblReader) and a project lib (SlidingMenu) which requires the v4 support lib, as external libs
May 20 08:46:44 <Jc_Dev> yeah same as what i had, except a different 3rd party jar
May 20 08:46:55 <elegos> gonna try this evening
May 20 08:47:00 <elegos> full-day today!
May 20 08:47:02 <elegos> later!
May 20 08:47:04 <Jc_Dev> later
May 20 08:54:42 <g00s> huh weird, if i setError() a textview, android stops scrolling as the popup is at the boundary of th eviewport
May 20 08:55:23 <g00s> android you so wacky
May 20 09:28:11 <g00s> wow, sublime is really up there :| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5736367
May 20 09:28:17 <conor_f> I have a few final questions about WiFi Direct. 1) does WifiP2pManager.createGroup() allow interfacing with devices older than Android version 4.0 or what does it do? 2) Can there be multiple networks entirely separate from one another? e.g. 8 people in a room, 2 networks with 4 people on each
May 20 09:29:14 <storkme> sublime is kewl
May 20 09:29:33 <g00s> conor_f: good luck getting that to work; let us know how it goes :D
May 20 09:29:45 <storkme> "If you can still change the options, please change Vi to Vim, as I'm sure most of the people voting for it actually mean Vim." <-- how to spot a vim user
May 20 09:29:56 <g00s> hehe
May 20 09:30:10 <p_l> to annoy them: put both Vi and ViM
May 20 09:31:22 <conor_f> g00s: I'm going to take that as a "no" to both questions?
May 20 09:31:44 <g00s> conor_f: i've heard lots of problems unless everybody has the same exact damn phone :D
May 20 09:31:54 <g00s> but don't take my word fir it
May 20 09:32:21 <g00s> p_l: what are you using for text editor ?
May 20 09:32:28 <g00s> not IDE
May 20 09:33:01 <g00s> oh shit, sublime is cross platform. i thought it was mac only
May 20 09:33:17 <conor_f> hmm, so what would you recommend instead of wifi direct so g00s?
May 20 09:33:31 <g00s> i dont have an answer
May 20 09:34:09 <p_l> g00s: Emacs
May 20 09:34:16 <g00s> of course ;)
May 20 09:34:50 <p_l> the one time I used Sublime I wasn't really impressed with it, but it was better than Notepad.exe
May 20 09:35:50 <g00s> heh
May 20 09:35:57 <g00s> i do like its overview thingy
May 20 09:36:06 <g00s> i use Komodo for python tho
May 20 09:36:06 <capella> sublime rocks
May 20 09:36:16 <g00s> uh oh look who it is
May 20 09:36:21 * capella needs to send them money
May 20 09:37:11 <g00s> i think emacs appeals to people that see an editor really as a collection of apis, in this case programmed in lisp
May 20 09:37:23 <g00s> i like that too ;)
May 20 09:37:33 <g00s> capella: have you used the sublime python plugin api ?
May 20 09:37:55 <capella> Messed with it a little ... not a big python expert
May 20 09:38:56 <p_l> g00s: with some work, you can make ViM into an IDE. With some work, you can make emacs into text editor.
May 20 09:39:06 <p_l> (and several other editors, too)
May 20 09:40:06 <g00s> wonder what is better PyDev (eclipse) PyCharm(idea)
May 20 09:40:13 <g00s> oh wellm back to work
May 20 09:40:40 <p_l> ... I'd bet on PyCharm :>
May 20 09:40:55 <g00s> of course :|
May 20 09:42:07 <g00s> oh, pycharm is not free
May 20 09:43:38 * g00s really hopes eclipse 4.3 gets their shit together
May 20 09:45:02 <shmooz> no more eclipse for you !
May 20 09:45:22 <capella> pouvre g00s
May 20 09:45:24 <p_l> g00s: HA HA HA, yeah, right
May 20 09:45:32 <g00s> :(
May 20 09:47:07 <g00s> the eclipse 4.2 theme is hellacious
May 20 09:48:44 <shmooz> my eclipse juno kept my dark themes after my update, took a bit of work to get it dark themed but it wasn't impossible
May 20 09:50:47 <g00s> shmooz: did you use the eclipse theme plugin ?
May 20 09:51:30 <g00s> or does Juno have some built in theme stuff
May 20 09:51:41 <g00s> i'm still using 3.8.2
May 20 09:52:31 <shmooz> g00s: I forgot how but its on Dark Juno theme
May 20 09:53:26 <g00s> interesting
May 20 09:53:38 <g00s> Keplar is coming out soon …
May 20 09:56:28 <evident> hey everybody! Can anybody tell me why I can't build a project in Eclipse anymore? When I build, it installs the native libraries and then in the console just says "Could not find MyApp.apk" ... I tried cleaning the project, reimporting it to Eclipse, but still get the same error
May 20 09:57:12 <g00s> installs the native libraries ?
May 20 09:57:14 <capella> Android Studio could fix that
May 20 09:57:20 <capella> :D
May 20 09:57:57 <evident> capella: does Android Studio already include all ndk stuff?
May 20 09:58:02 <g00s> i doubt AS is fit for human consumption yet :|
May 20 09:58:13 <Ge0rG> only for androids?
May 20 09:58:14 <capella> then intelliJ CE :p
May 20 09:58:51 <capella> Actually Im on the intelliJ CE version not Studio ... so not sure about packaging of the NDK with Studio
May 20 09:59:12 <evident> g00s: Like this: "Install        : libopencv_java.so => libs/armeabi-v7a/libopencv_java.so" ... it has the .so files compiled... and then should build the rest
May 20 09:59:24 <g00s> there will be a separate C++ ide for NDK
May 20 09:59:33 <capella> yah - suspected as much
May 20 09:59:38 <g00s> dont think xav went into it too much
May 20 10:00:30 <evident> At first I had the error that it built the app, but didn't show any changes. so i cleaned the project, then got the "R could not be resolved" error... so I cleaned again, tried to remove the native libraries and so on and finally got stuck here
May 20 10:00:53 <g00s> capella: surprised you aren't attempting android dev in firefox with orion :D
May 20 10:01:09 <g00s> well, thats html5
May 20 10:01:21 <g00s> ForefoxOS dev in Orion on FireFox :D
May 20 10:01:36 <g00s> um 9.9
May 20 10:02:12 <capella> I use the "agcc toolchain" for C++ in Android
May 20 10:02:59 <evident> so anybody any ideas on how to fix that? What could help here?
May 20 10:03:15 <Tee_Pee> Heya folks
May 20 10:03:21 <Tee_Pee> anyone here has experience with osmdroid?
May 20 10:03:59 <capella> Orion? That's the thing we use for our Scratchpad editor et.al. ... yah kinda limited
May 20 10:05:22 <capella> The Pelles C compiler collection for Windows ships a cool editor ... thats what I used until I found Sublime ... cross platform under *Nix and Win is very cool
May 20 10:36:36 <g00s> capella: have you noticed FF21 taking up much more memory ?
May 20 10:36:43 <g00s> (desktop)
May 20 10:37:56 <capella> Havent been watching close .... I'm running our nightly release of course but i haven't tuned into any issues other than MSVC compiler memory overload for 32bit builds and thats not related
May 20 10:38:46 <capella> Where do you notice it? about:memory reports?
May 20 10:39:03 <g00s> os x activity Monitor
May 20 10:39:28 <capella> ah ... OS X is special to us but thats all I know there :)
May 20 10:39:31 <g00s> i wish i just had more memory :(
May 20 10:39:52 <capella> Yah i run 64bit and 8g so its all good to me
May 20 10:43:56 <capella> If I could've charged $1 for my little FF mobile addon I'd have made 40,000$ ... \o/
May 20 10:44:12 <Ge0rG> capella: if you'd charge for it, you'd have 5 downloads by now.
May 20 10:44:33 <capella> Yah .... vs the 200,000 actual free ones XD
May 20 10:44:58 <capella> Too bad I cant distribute addon through GPlay
May 20 10:51:27 <kakazza> g00s: What's much more memory for you?
May 20 10:51:44 <kakazza> Firefox keeps using 800MB to 1GB memory even with UnloadTabs on Fx20
May 20 10:52:27 <kakazza> Just restarted into Fx 21. 500MB RAM used. (About 50 unloaded tabs)
May 20 10:57:08 <g00s> kakazza: yeah, thats about what i see now
May 20 10:57:24 <g00s> i was starting ff20 to about 350mb, now its 500mb
May 20 10:57:45 <g00s> then i went from eclipse (350mb) to idea(666mb) and i'mpretty fucked
May 20 10:58:02 <g00s> i have to tune idea settings
May 20 10:59:01 <Zharf> get moar rams
May 20 10:59:09 <Zharf> I'm getting new hardware this weeks
May 20 10:59:14 <Zharf> it'll have 16Gs or rams
May 20 10:59:31 <g00s> nice, but i'm stuck with what i have for now
May 20 11:00:58 <g00s> i wish ff guys would drop bs like rust and social stuff
May 20 11:01:07 <Zharf> rust?
May 20 11:01:10 <Zharf> what social stuff?
May 20 11:01:26 <g00s> rust is their experimental language for their next gen renderer
May 20 11:02:38 <capella> http://www.zdnet.com/firefox-21-release-adds-to-social-api-closes-security-holes-7000015429/ for example
May 20 11:04:29 <Zharf> I've never noticed this
May 20 11:04:41 <Zharf> but then I don't use any of those services either
May 20 11:05:32 <conor_f> Has anyone here actually any experience with WiFi Direct?
May 20 11:06:16 <conor_f> It's really starting to annoy me now :( I don't understand how I can implement what I want with it, but I know I must be able to
May 20 11:06:34 <Zharf> never used it, no
May 20 11:07:42 <conor_f> Simple chatroom style app: I want to have the option to either create a new room or join an existing one
May 20 11:08:16 <conor_f> Then for other nearby devices to be able to join a room and join in the conversation
May 20 11:08:41 <conor_f> and (obviously) when one person sends a message, for everyone else to be able to see it
May 20 11:08:58 <conor_f> Is WiFi direct the best choice here?
May 20 11:09:56 <Zharf> quick read on wifi direct would make me say, sure
May 20 11:10:09 <mlohr> hey
May 20 11:10:31 <storkme> does anyone else feel like when they do android development they're floundering hopelessly
May 20 11:10:44 <mlohr> anyone who get google play services working with android studio?
May 20 11:10:48 <conor_f> Zharf: yeah. That's what I think too :/
May 20 11:11:02 <Zharf> what's floundering
May 20 11:11:09 <g00s> storkme: floundering ftw !
May 20 11:11:35 <Zharf> oh
May 20 11:11:37 <Zharf> well, no, not me
May 20 11:12:16 <conor_f> If anyone here has used wifi direct in a similar way before, would they mind PM'ing me or something. Just to explain the structure of the network created and give me a basic outline of how to do what I want to do with it
May 20 11:14:46 <storkme> why aren't fragment transition animations enabled by default?
May 20 11:14:58 <DeviantPeer> anyone experiencing the following issue: after upgrading eclipse ADT to r22 the generated files (R.java) are no longer generated. Am I the only one with problems like this?
May 20 11:19:16 <Ankhwatcher> Hello Everyone!
May 20 11:19:50 <g00s> Ank Ank !
May 20 11:20:08 <Ankhwatcher> g00s: how are you, this fine Monday morning?
May 20 11:20:21 <g00s> ;:)
May 20 11:20:27 <g00s> oh, wth was that
May 20 11:20:34 <g00s> Ankhwatcher: fine, and you ;)
May 20 11:21:03 <Ankhwatcher> I'm doing fine, thank you. I'm going to get this goddamned widget working today
May 20 11:21:13 * Ankhwatcher will take no prisoners
May 20 11:22:27 <Ankhwatcher> g00s: so how do you come down on Android Studio? Great/Terrible/Promising/Cursed?
May 20 11:22:40 <g00s> i never bothered to try it
May 20 11:22:46 <g00s> i did try idea CE though
May 20 11:23:03 <g00s> its ok. i can see why people like it
May 20 11:23:06 <Spec-Chum> I'm using CE 12
May 20 11:23:08 <Spec-Chum> I like it
May 20 11:23:45 <mlohr> could anybody help me please? "Could not find method com.google.android.gms.common.GooglePlayServicesUtil.isGooglePlayServicesAvailable" on running my android app... compiling works without problem
May 20 11:23:48 <Ankhwatcher> I love the idea (npi), but I can't get the damned thing to do anything useful for hte life of me
May 20 11:24:13 <brinsjt> I bought JetBrains IDEA paid :). I love it
May 20 11:24:45 <Zharf> brinsjt, good man
May 20 11:24:54 <Spec-Chum> Ankhwatcher: (pratchet pun?) I'm not advanced enough in Android to comment, but it's certinaly does what I need it too, but I only do very basic stuff, just starting to learn
May 20 11:25:05 <Zharf> g00s, your opinion is shifting!
May 20 11:25:38 <g00s> Zharf: :)
May 20 11:26:11 <g00s> if i had to pick between the 2, personally the way things are ATM i would still go eclipse+ADT - but we'll see how the android support in idea goes
May 20 11:26:20 <Ankhwatcher> Spec-Chum: cool, I tried to make this simple widget application in it and it didn't work ata all, I've switched back to eclipse
May 20 11:26:22 <g00s> i'm using both productively now
May 20 11:27:26 <Ankhwatcher> Is there a way to theme Android Studio? because by default it looks terrible on Linux Mint
May 20 11:28:02 <brinsjt> Zharf: I switched to IDEA 5-6 months ago
May 20 11:28:03 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: I also couldn't AS to do absolutely nothing. Damn thing..
May 20 11:28:06 <brinsjt> No regrets :)
May 20 11:28:34 <DeviantPeer> I was forced to switch to idea at work... only regrets...
May 20 11:28:42 <Ankhwatcher> hah
May 20 11:28:43 <brinsjt> really
May 20 11:28:53 <Spec-Chum> lol
May 20 11:28:54 <brinsjt> for me its been great :)
May 20 11:29:04 <Zharf> DeviantPeer, we've converted all of the employees around here to IDEA
May 20 11:29:05 <Zharf> :)
May 20 11:29:07 <g00s> usually people are forced to use eclipse bc its free
May 20 11:29:07 <DeviantPeer> brinsjt: good for you. try it with a big projects.
May 20 11:29:08 <brinsjt> Eclipse is slow and shit and just terrible on OSX
May 20 11:29:23 <g00s> brinsjt: yeah
May 20 11:29:33 <g00s> the SWT / Cocoa bindings must suck ass
May 20 11:29:51 <Spec-Chum> at least there's a choice tho, it's all personal preference at the end of the day
May 20 11:29:52 <storkme> I'd like to switch to IDEA but I feel like the learning curve is going to be quite steep and I don't really have time atm :/ do you guys have any tips for getting up to speed as quickly as possible?
May 20 11:29:52 <DeviantPeer> well.. move to a better OS then. ;)
May 20 11:29:57 <Ankhwatcher> I think I broke Lint...
May 20 11:30:10 <DeviantPeer> storkme: the learning is a couple of day.
May 20 11:30:26 <DeviantPeer> storkme: the problem is all the idiocrassies of intellij
May 20 11:30:57 <Ankhwatcher> I'm not sure that is a word
May 20 11:31:16 <DeviantPeer> storkme: and it's slow. People say that eclipse is slow (and it is if not properly configured) but intellij.. argh..
May 20 11:31:28 <Ankhwatcher> were you combining idiot and idiosyncrasies?
May 20 11:31:30 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: probably it's not. :D
May 20 11:31:43 <Spec-Chum> odd, I find IDEA to be faster, but as I say I only do (very) small stuff ATM
May 20 11:32:27 <DeviantPeer> the thing about eclipse is it's stupied default configuration and lots of plugins that are useless  (and the believe that OSGI just doesn't care how many plugins it has to check..)
May 20 11:33:25 <DeviantPeer> whenever I install eclipse my first move is to really delete some of the plugins... and change the eclipse.ini
May 20 11:33:45 <DeviantPeer> but that's my experience... YMMV
May 20 11:33:58 <g00s> i get the platform runtime with no plugins @ 50 MB d/l
May 20 11:34:20 <g00s> behaves very well
May 20 11:34:25 <DeviantPeer> I think it still comes with some plugins, no?
May 20 11:34:29 <g00s> no
May 20 11:34:48 <g00s> when you add the ADT , the JDT gets added
May 20 11:34:59 <g00s> thats all i use
May 20 11:35:02 <DeviantPeer> so no mylyn, no cvs? are you sure?
May 20 11:35:11 <g00s> absolutely sure
May 20 11:35:21 <DeviantPeer> alright then. That's what I shall use next time.
May 20 11:35:26 <Spec-Chum> g00: interesting, I might try that
May 20 11:35:46 <DeviantPeer> and you can "customize" the looks using CSS. :)
May 20 11:36:46 <DeviantPeer> this is how my eclipse is looking now: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ubeR9MTBFBc/UZdIEb47KEI/AAAAAAAAFkM/mr0Gl9J_g4o/w1043-h566-no/eclipse.looking+better.png
May 20 11:37:16 <g00s> yeah, its called "Platform Runtime Binary" basically a blank slate eclipse
May 20 11:37:19 <DeviantPeer> except that my projetcs now are not compiling because with the latest adt the R.java file is not being generated... argh..
May 20 11:37:32 <p_l> DeviantPeer: who in their right mind would want CVS? :>
May 20 11:37:52 <DeviantPeer> p_l: exactly, but eclipse Java comes with the plugin for it.
May 20 11:38:25 <g00s> DeviantPeer: is that 4.2 ?
May 20 11:38:28 <evident> Can anybody tell me why I can't set an activity's theme to Theme.Holo.Light.NoActionBar.Fullscreen for Api level 11? I mean ActionBars and everything is supported in API level 11... so why can't I set it to Fullscreen, but still have the Holo theming?
May 20 11:38:38 <DeviantPeer> g00s: you mean the screenshot?
May 20 11:38:43 <g00s> yeah
May 20 11:39:11 <g00s> i'm still using 3.8.2; rock solid
May 20 11:39:19 <DeviantPeer> it's still juno.
May 20 11:39:28 <g00s> 3.8 was unnanounced after 3.7 -> juno
May 20 11:39:31 <DeviantPeer> with some customization. :)
May 20 11:39:36 <g00s> :)
May 20 11:39:42 <capella> that whole R.java problem with Eclipse was my first clue i'd hate it
May 20 11:39:43 <Ankhwatcher> This is what my eclipse looks like: http://picpaste.com/ba3b1126900ba64e9372c82dac5b4cac.png
May 20 11:40:13 <DeviantPeer> capella: well... as maven is also having problem with the new android sdk version I would not blame eclipse.
May 20 11:40:14 <Ankhwatcher> that's why I'm keen to get AS working
May 20 11:40:34 <g00s> i always thought the icons in the ADT looked like they were done by some kid in highschool or something
May 20 11:40:38 <capella> ah ... similar but unrelated then
May 20 11:40:52 <Ankhwatcher> evident: when did they add holo light?
May 20 11:41:15 <DeviantPeer> capella: I don't know... I'm quite pissed at google right now. breaking every way I have of building my projects it's not nice...
May 20 11:41:29 <capella> :P
May 20 11:41:44 <g00s> this is google, everything is beta :D
May 20 11:41:50 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: msg in private and I can tell you what I did to make eclipse look a bit better.
May 20 11:41:54 <g00s> trouble is when some oem burns your beta onto a phone
May 20 11:42:30 <DeviantPeer> g00s: true.
May 20 11:43:01 <StingRay_> g00s: sticking with it ?
May 20 11:43:31 <g00s> StingRay_: heh; i'm using both. i actually like eclipse more still, but still eveluating
May 20 11:44:03 <g00s> its not such a good time to choose; now google is putting work into the idea side i'm sure there will be lots of cool stuff there
May 20 11:44:16 <g00s> but ADT uber alles
May 20 11:44:30 <g00s> atm ;)
May 20 11:44:41 <p_l> g00s: I heard that IDEA was pretty heavily used internally at google
May 20 11:44:58 <p_l> though it probably depends on dev and team
May 20 11:45:03 <span> Anyone had issues with getting Android Studio to connect over adb? I'm getting "ADB not responding" dialogs although when I run adb at terminal I can see logcat and device :/
May 20 11:45:09 <Ankhwatcher> p_l: I saw IDEA and Eclipse in the IO videos
May 20 11:45:21 <DeviantPeer> google looks like it's going on the "Let's Be Fashionable" stream... gradle, idea... soon they'll join apple and transform android into a iOX app. :)
May 20 11:45:23 <evident> Ankhwatcher: Holo Light is supported in API11... I can set it without error... but they don't allow there the "NoActionBar" or Fullscreen...
May 20 11:45:50 <DeviantPeer> span: try to run "adb kill-server; adb start-server"
May 20 11:45:52 <p_l> DeviantPeer: I think gradle is great choice for a build system that doesn't suck and can be actually programmed :)
May 20 11:45:53 <DeviantPeer> or something like that...
May 20 11:45:56 <g00s> idea has a IDe called AppCode, which is a fucking pos. they aren't infallible
May 20 11:46:06 <span> DeviantPeer: yeah, i've done that and also rebooted my machine
May 20 11:46:08 <DeviantPeer> p_l: why would you want to program a build system?!
May 20 11:46:35 <DeviantPeer> span: then I'm out of ideas. I can't get AS to work properly too so...
May 20 11:46:37 <evident> And if I just set the theme to "Theme.Light.NoTitleBar.Fullscreen", then I won't get the other Holo text formatting stuff... but well... I might just go and leave the ActionBar... would work fine, too, I guess ;) Still annoying that it's not possible
May 20 11:46:48 <span> DeviantPeer:  ok, thanks though :(
May 20 11:46:53 <waninkoko> Anybody knows if can be released in the Play Store an app that installs external APKs?
May 20 11:48:24 <Ankhwatcher> waninkoko: well they changed the rules so applications are not allowed to update themeselves, the same language would probably prevent this also
May 20 11:49:14 <waninkoko> Ankhwatcher: that's what I supposed. They only talk about application updates but installing an external APK is the same after all. thanks
May 20 11:49:51 <g00s> this guy in the UK going to out google for taxes …
May 20 11:49:55 <Spec-Chum> g00s:  downloading runtime binary now, can't hurt to try :)
May 20 11:50:06 <g00s> :)
May 20 11:50:06 <p_l> g00s: tax avoidance, not evasion. Two different things in UK
May 20 11:50:16 <g00s> oh yeah, latter is illegal
May 20 11:50:21 <g00s> formal immoral
May 20 11:50:25 <g00s> (but legal)
May 20 11:50:42 <g00s> definitely not in good faith
May 20 11:50:46 <Ankhwatcher> p_l: two differnet things everywhere, Amazon's whole business is built on tax avoidance
May 20 11:51:03 <Spec-Chum> yeah, technically Google hasn't done anything wrong, but look what happened to Starbucks
May 20 11:51:16 <p_l> g00s: former isn't always immoral. It's the gray area
May 20 11:51:16 <Spec-Chum> us brits can be an unruly bunch lol
May 20 11:51:21 <Tee_Pee> So, what is the difference between alpha and beta testing on the play market apk section?
May 20 11:51:26 <Tee_Pee> Just the label on the release?
May 20 11:51:30 <g00s> Spec-Chum: 3.8.2 or 4.2.x ?
May 20 11:51:46 <Spec-Chum> 3.8.2
May 20 11:51:51 <g00s> k
May 20 11:52:05 <g00s> if you are coming from 4.2 i would nuke your workspace and prefs :(
May 20 11:52:17 <Spec-Chum> I've not got any eclipse installed at all
May 20 11:52:24 <Ankhwatcher> Google's tax avoidance is why I got to watch the IO keynote on a Google campus
May 20 11:52:24 * DeviantPeer goes and fight the new adt and android sdk... damn them to hell...
May 20 11:52:56 <evident> Can anybody tell me what I can do against a NoClassDefFoundError when using NavUtils.navigateUpTo(...)?
May 20 11:53:00 <Ankhwatcher> DeviantPeer: they blew it all up!
May 20 11:53:47 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: it sure looks that way. Since March this year google has been nothing but dissapointments...
May 20 11:53:48 <wviana> Hello, there is any way to use my network in AVD ? Because I'm working with sockets, and the only way to test is using a real device with wifi conection.
May 20 11:54:12 <Spec-Chum> in hindsight, I think I'll try 4.2...
May 20 11:54:22 <Ankhwatcher> DeviantPeer: my you've gone very Garfield this Monday.
May 20 11:54:56 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: :) yes.. I should go watch some Garfield strips.. that should make my monday better.
May 20 11:55:10 <Spec-Chum> lasagna?
May 20 11:55:13 <DeviantPeer> Ankhwatcher: it's holliday here in Holland, but me, no, me has got to work.
May 20 11:55:53 <DeviantPeer> lol. Now eclipse generated the file. I didn't even touch it! Oh for crying out loud...
May 20 11:56:27 <Spec-Chum> DeviantPeer: Google it...oh wait
May 20 11:56:35 <DeviantPeer> LOL :D
May 20 11:56:53 <Spec-Chum> :)
May 20 11:57:26 <Ankhwatcher> BONG! Inception time!
May 20 11:57:59 <conor_f> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16648864/wifi-direct-the-right-choice-trying-to-make-chat-app-android I made a StackOverflow post instead of constantly annoying people here :P
May 20 11:58:22 <DeviantPeer> duck duck go (you have to say this as if you were Inpector Gadget... then it's fun).
May 20 11:59:04 <kakazza> http://gizoogle.net/
May 20 11:59:51 <Spec-Chum> I like DDG
May 20 11:59:59 <DeviantPeer> :)
May 20 12:00:02 <Spec-Chum> I have it as default on Linux Mint
May 20 12:00:15 <DeviantPeer> Spec-Chum: me too. using it for quite a while.
May 20 12:00:54 <Spec-Chum> obviously, I took off safe search for, ahem, research only
May 20 12:01:19 <Zharf> conor_f, mind explaining how/where/when does stackoverflow create those user<number> accounts?
May 20 12:01:34 <Zharf> conor_f, now that you have one :)
May 20 12:01:37 <DeviantPeer> Spec-Chum: and as Bruce Scheneier is also using it...
May 20 12:02:18 <g00s> DeviantPeer: what is bruce using ?
May 20 12:02:41 <DeviantPeer> g00s: DDG for search on this blog, instead of google.
May 20 12:02:50 <g00s> ahh
May 20 12:03:13 <g00s> i use DDG too. reader is going away - which leaves gmail - which i plan to migrate away from
May 20 12:03:14 <conor_f> Zharf: :P I presume it comes from me not supplying any user name
May 20 12:03:18 <Spec-Chum> I still say "google it" tho as telling someone to go duck themselves, sounds, um, just wron
May 20 12:03:25 <DeviantPeer> lol
May 20 12:03:45 <DeviantPeer> go duck duck your self sounds great.
May 20 12:03:52 <Spec-Chum> haha
May 20 12:04:15 <DeviantPeer> I found some one duck ducking in the computer at the public library. :D
May 20 12:04:30 <omid8bimo> hello, im getting the GPS location for my app via getLatitude() and getLongitude() but they give me a long double number. first of all, how can i get like 4 number only (55.78) and also how can i convert these to location name like city/state?
May 20 12:04:50 <p_l> I'd just like to note that unlike reader, GMail is paid venture (yes, it is)
May 20 12:04:54 <funkbox> any of you convert yer projects to the new build/android studio?
May 20 12:05:15 <DeviantPeer> funkbox: tried and failed misserably...
May 20 12:05:15 <conor_f> omid8bimo: rounding/truncation I imagine for the first part?
May 20 12:05:24 <conor_f> Can't help you any more than that though
May 20 12:05:28 <p_l> and anyone moaning about death of a *free* *cloud* service should think twice :>
May 20 12:05:39 <p_l> (yes, I hate reader dying, too)
May 20 12:05:51 <funkbox> i'm glad it's gone
May 20 12:06:00 <funkbox> google can now focus on fixing permissions in android
May 20 12:06:01 <angelsl> omid8bimo: check out NumberFormat and DecimalFormat
May 20 12:06:20 <angelsl> as for converting coordinates into a name, you'll need to find some kind of service for that
May 20 12:06:27 <angelsl> maybe Google Maps provides it, i don't know
May 20 12:06:53 <p_l> Google Maps has geolocation features, yes, ingluding mapping to addresses
May 20 12:07:05 <p_l> (in the Web API at least)
May 20 12:07:18 <omid8bimo> angelsl: ok i guess google map will do. so this mean converting to addresses, i need another API like google map?
May 20 12:08:49 <angelsl> probably
May 20 12:09:02 <p_l> g00s: btw, I'm considering writing a GMail backup tool this summer :)
May 20 12:09:16 <g00s> \o/
May 20 12:09:27 <squ> :)
May 20 12:09:33 <squ> backup tool
May 20 12:09:34 <p_l> g00s: something that you could run and have it in sync with GMail, in case it ever goes down
May 20 12:09:47 <squ> same tool which crashed gmail last summer?
May 20 12:10:17 <p_l> I believe GMail crashes involved internal stuff :3
May 20 12:10:46 <squ> Google's Gmail had a glitch introduced that caused 30,000 users or so to loose email
May 20 12:11:02 <p_l> not even mentioning simple things like "oops, I pushed wrong config, 25% of the cluster just went down"
May 20 12:11:32 <p_l> squ: ah, that. I believe hwops had a field day with tapes :3
May 20 12:13:08 <squ> if you asked me who cares, I'd tell you noone
May 20 12:13:41 <p_l> well, I'd be going with external backup :)
May 20 12:14:10 <squ> everyone will be happy to hear that you consider writing another tool for gmail
May 20 12:14:24 <funkbox> does the studio properly setup the path and everythning
May 20 12:14:51 <squ> I noticed that gmail web interface is changing about once in month
May 20 12:15:21 <squ> that enthusiasm forced me to use mail agents :)
May 20 12:16:14 <DeviantPeer> p_1: gmail backup tool: just use any imap downloader.
May 20 12:16:46 <Spec-Chum> wow, that was quick
May 20 12:16:52 <Spec-Chum> eclipse now up and running
May 20 12:17:00 <Spec-Chum> bare metal build :D
May 20 12:17:00 <g00s> \o/
May 20 12:17:04 <funkbox> Spec-Chum: don't use eclipse!
May 20 12:17:14 <Spec-Chum> argh, not another one lol
May 20 12:17:14 <g00s> Spec-Chum: you just added ADT, right ?
May 20 12:17:16 <DeviantPeer> Spec-Chum: use eclipse!
May 20 12:17:29 <Spec-Chum> g00s: yeah, only ADT, nothing else
May 20 12:17:33 <g00s> sweet
May 20 12:17:36 <p_l> DeviantPeer: I want some extra metadata that is usually not preserved
May 20 12:17:56 <p_l> Basically, I'm planning something that to an email client looks like GMail
May 20 12:18:02 <g00s> is there a d/l of idea CE without the bs bundled plugins?
May 20 12:18:02 <DeviantPeer> p_1: staring I think is preserved.
May 20 12:18:18 <p_l> *GMail's IMAP interface (with extensions)
May 20 12:18:22 <p_l> DeviantPeer: labels are not
May 20 12:18:23 <Spec-Chum> g00s: yeah, geany
May 20 12:18:24 <Spec-Chum> :D
May 20 12:18:25 <DeviantPeer> p_1: but I confess that I use gmail only as the "public" interface, my emails are all under my own devices.
May 20 12:18:26 <p_l> also, fix your font
May 20 12:18:39 <g00s> did i hear gmail was dropping imap ?
May 20 12:18:47 <g00s> hurry p_l !
May 20 12:18:51 <DeviantPeer> p_1: that will be a interesting projects.
May 20 12:19:04 <Spec-Chum> I was tempted to use geany and just use ant in the CL but since I know zero android at the mo, I figured I'd use an IDE
May 20 12:19:14 <DeviantPeer> g00s: would not be surprised if imap, pop and smtp were going the way of the dodo...
May 20 12:19:33 <p_l> DeviantPeer: SMTP won't be going the way of the dodo
May 20 12:19:46 <p_l> POP3 can go to hell for all I care, though :>
May 20 12:19:51 <DeviantPeer> true
May 20 12:21:01 <DeviantPeer> ok, https://github.com/jayway/maven-android-plugin/commits/master/src/main/java/com/jayway/maven/plugins/android/AndroidSdk.java
May 20 12:21:05 <funkbox> oh it uses it's own sdk and emulators and crap
May 20 12:21:22 <DeviantPeer> so there were changes in the location of the tools within the android sdk. Just great google... just great.
May 20 12:26:09 <DeviantPeer> some symlinks and it works again. One wasted morning on issues brought by the sdk upgrade...
May 20 12:26:44 <Ge0rG> yeah. sdk upgrades are always a pain
May 20 12:31:40 <Spec-Chum> oh, dur, just spent 2 minutes wondering where the marketplace had gone
May 20 12:31:54 <Spec-Chum> then remembered I'm on the minimal version
May 20 12:32:00 <Spec-Chum> installed it now ahah
May 20 12:32:17 <Spec-Chum> g00s: good call on this, it does seem quicker
May 20 12:33:45 <Ankhwatcher> I'm having trouble with my widget, the Service which load my widget's information is not getting called and I don't know why.
May 20 12:34:23 <Ankhwatcher> could someone please cast an eye over my AppWidgetProvider and tell me why? http://pastebin.com/k72mZGZe
May 20 12:41:51 <Ankhwatcher> oh I think I fixed it
May 20 12:42:08 <Ankhwatcher> I was inflating the widget into one of it's list items instead of it's layout
May 20 12:42:48 <Ankhwatcher> oh bother
May 20 12:43:25 <Ankhwatcher> RemoteViewsService is not allowed to run network ops.
May 20 12:43:42 <Spec-Chum> g00s: thanks for this, I know don't know which IDE to use
May 20 12:43:43 <Spec-Chum> cheers
May 20 12:43:45 <Spec-Chum> lol
May 20 12:45:50 <Ankhwatcher> so, where can I run my network ops for my widget?
May 20 12:46:37 <Spec-Chum> *now don't
May 20 12:50:00 <SimonVT> Can't you just start a thread
May 20 12:50:04 <omid8bimo> i have an issue, anyone please gimme a hint, i defined two layout (layout and layout-land) and i used configChanges="orientation|keyboardHidden|screenSize" to remember the settings since, but looks like with this config, the screen rotation does not apply when i rotate the device. any idea?
May 20 12:50:20 <SimonVT> Anyway, you should retain your info somewhere.. Doing networking every time the widget updates sounds wasteful
May 20 12:51:29 <SimonVT> omid8bimo: Inflate the layout for the new configuration and set that as your view
May 20 12:52:32 <omid8bimo> SimonVT: please tell me how
May 20 12:52:56 <SimonVT> setContentView
May 20 12:53:51 <omid8bimo> SimonVT: i have one setContentView in my class under onCreate. do i need to create amother method?
May 20 12:54:25 <Spec-Chum> now for my next major dilemma, tabs or spaces?
May 20 12:54:33 <Spec-Chum> very important this
May 20 12:54:43 <dokma> I keep getting "unable to resolve superclass" for a mainactivity that extends FragmentActivity
May 20 12:55:02 <Zharf> omid8bimo, it'd be easiest if you just didn't use configChanges since you obviously don't know what it means :)
May 20 12:55:06 <dokma> I've seen stuff about Android Tools -> Add Support Library
May 20 12:55:11 <dokma> but nothing changed after that
May 20 12:55:26 <dokma> how do I figure out what is messing the startup process?
May 20 12:55:43 <SimonVT> omid8bimo: You told android you wanted to handle configuration changes yourself.. If that means changing the layout, then do that
May 20 12:56:04 <omid8bimo> Zharf: if i remove that, my activity get recreated and i loose my data on the activity like the photo that user takes
May 20 12:56:14 <Ankhwatcher> SimonVT: well the widget only displays info from the site, which should be changing fairly regularly, so I don't think there's anything to save
May 20 12:56:17 <Zharf> omid8bimo, then persist it somewhere
May 20 12:56:28 <Zharf> omid8bimo, there's lifetime methods for that stuff
May 20 12:58:33 <DevMev> Hey guys, I am trying to load textures in to memory before I start my application just having some trouble with the loading right now it works but my application starts before the images load and I can't figure out a way to load the images before I start the application. Any ideas on a way to do a good image loader? I have tried async task to monitor when the load completes then start the application but that takes quite a lot longer t
May 20 12:58:49 <Ankhwatcher> SimonVT: Vogella may have me covered: http://www.vogella.com/code/com.example.android.stackwidget/src/com/example/android/stackwidget/StackWidgetService.html
May 20 12:59:03 <omid8bimo> Zharf: whats that lifetime method?
May 20 13:00:04 <Zharf> omid8bimo, http://developer.android.com/guide/components/activities.html#Lifecycle
May 20 13:02:13 <omid8bimo> well i used onConfigurationChanged removed the configChanges in manifest and screen gets rotates ok but data is lost upon rotation.
May 20 13:02:56 <Zharf> you use onConfigurationChanged  with configChanges...
May 20 13:03:38 <omid8bimo> Zharf: both?
May 20 13:04:36 <omid8bimo> i thought the purpose of defining onConfigurationChanged is not to use configChanges..!
May 20 13:05:17 <SimonVT> You get a call to onConfigurationChanged when one of the configuration changes you manually handle happens
May 20 13:05:56 <Zharf> and you tell android which config changes you want to manually handly through configChanges
May 20 13:06:35 <Zharf> oo, my hardware order is ready
May 20 13:06:43 <omid8bimo> oh ok got it. thanks
May 20 13:06:47 <Zharf> tomorrow's new computer building day
May 20 13:08:27 <StingRay_> Zharf: what you building ?
May 20 13:08:39 <Zharf> new desktop for myself
May 20 13:08:52 <StingRay_> make sure you can install OSX on it ;)   just to try
May 20 13:09:02 <Zharf> why
May 20 13:09:28 <StingRay_> cause it's fun :)
May 20 13:09:38 <StingRay_> and good for android dev
May 20 13:10:02 <kakazza> How's it better than other OS for Android dev?
May 20 13:10:11 <kakazza> And I'm on OS X myself, just wondering.
May 20 13:10:33 <Zharf> one weekend a year is enough OSX for me
May 20 13:10:45 <StingRay_> well if you read the docs on d.android not sure if it's still there
May 20 13:10:54 <StingRay_> you had the following
May 20 13:11:05 <StingRay_> windows : do this this and this, maybe try this
May 20 13:11:15 <StingRay_> linux : do this, this and add this
May 20 13:11:19 <StingRay_> osx : just works
May 20 13:11:37 <Zharf> it just works for me on windows though
May 20 13:11:46 <Zharf> linux is just a line in udev rules
May 20 13:12:09 <StingRay_> tis preference, and just a nicer environment for me
May 20 13:12:19 <StingRay_> windows is a bit…erm….odd
May 20 13:12:21 <Zharf> yeah, I never liked it :)
May 20 13:12:30 <StingRay_> what didn't you like ?
May 20 13:12:34 <Zharf> I don't use my desktop for development though
May 20 13:12:45 <Zharf> I use my 11" elitebook for development
May 20 13:12:49 <StingRay_> Zharf: ah, fk that then
May 20 13:12:52 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 13:13:00 <wiel> updated to adt 22 and now i cant build my workspace. is that common?
May 20 13:13:02 <Zharf> desktop's for music, video editing and games
May 20 13:13:23 <StingRay_> well vid editing (cut/edit) osx is pretty much king
May 20 13:13:32 <StingRay_> music too I think
May 20 13:13:52 <Zharf> meh, adobe premiere CS5 is pretty much equal to final cut
May 20 13:14:02 <Zharf> and there's exactly the same software available for music
May 20 13:14:11 <StingRay_> not on about final cut/ sw
May 20 13:14:21 <StingRay_> on about coreVideo etc
May 20 13:14:24 <Zharf> I just don't feel like paying a ton on crappy hardware and crappy OS ;)
May 20 13:14:45 <StingRay_> hardware is same as any PC
May 20 13:14:54 <p_l> StingRay_: except often older, etc.
May 20 13:14:58 <StingRay_> for windows. well, maybe with a tiny few exceptions
May 20 13:15:12 <Zharf> same hardware, but overpriced
May 20 13:15:19 <Zharf> in fancy shell
May 20 13:15:21 <StingRay_> no I mean I have macs
May 20 13:15:33 <StingRay_> but I use osx mainly on my linux windows box
May 20 13:15:37 <p_l> StingRay_: I can buy a *laptop* that has better initial specs (not expanded specs) than MacPro
May 20 13:15:53 <p_l> and other desktop offerings are essentially laptop hw
May 20 13:16:10 <StingRay_> well I ditched linux of my workstation, now just have osx and windows
May 20 13:16:24 <p_l> Actually, I am not sure if the motherboard on MacPro doesn't have the same chipset as the 3yo workstation at work
May 20 13:16:39 <StingRay_> god no, dont buy a mac
May 20 13:16:47 <StingRay_> build a PC capable of running osx
May 20 13:16:50 <StingRay_> was my point
May 20 13:16:53 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 13:17:40 <capella> I'd like to play with a hackintosh but my laptop wont do hardware virtualization and that seems to be required
May 20 13:17:54 <StingRay_> not really
May 20 13:18:01 <StingRay_> but laptop not a good choice neways
May 20 13:18:08 <StingRay_> too many manuf. custom things
May 20 13:18:29 <StingRay_> nice clean gigabyte board with EFI, thats what you want
May 20 13:19:39 <StingRay_> to be fair you dont even need full spec EFI
May 20 13:20:07 <StingRay_> only thing that is a pain is the power management tables, if you have to mod them
May 20 13:20:11 <kakazza> wiel: It is
May 20 13:20:38 <wiel> kakazza, any hints for a fix?
May 20 13:21:58 <kakazza> https://plus.google.com/photos/117122118961369445953/albums/5878509263473846433/5878509268379848162
May 20 13:22:06 <kakazza> Depending on what error you are facing.
May 20 13:22:15 <kakazza> You installed the new ADT and the new Build Tools aswell?
May 20 13:23:46 <wiel> yes
May 20 13:23:53 <Ankhwatcher> okay, progress now my widget says loading for all the items in the listview
May 20 13:24:01 <wiel> that option in the picture isnt there for me
May 20 13:25:08 <kakazza> wiel: I bet it is.
May 20 13:26:19 <erdos> hullo
May 20 13:26:23 <wiel> kakazza, this is what the error(s) looks like http://i.imgur.com/WCL5oNc.png
May 20 13:28:15 <kakazza> Ok, that's a different error.
May 20 13:28:33 <kakazza> I have not encountered this one.
May 20 13:32:40 <elegos> I'm using ADT 17 and I've put a jar file (gson library) into the "libs" folder of an Android library project. According to the docs, it should be automatically put inside the "Android Dependencies" of the Java Build Path of the project, but there isn't! Any idea?
May 20 13:32:56 <erdos> hey, does my layout have too much crap in it? http://imgur.com/L2VbqZi i know i can trim it down but will i get any performance hits from doing it like this?
May 20 13:34:27 <elegos> erdos: if you need so many buttons... there's nothing wrong with your layout...
May 20 13:34:50 <erdos> hehe, they're just place holders, just trying to get the structure right, and i think i have it!
May 20 13:34:53 <erdos> thanks!
May 20 13:36:59 <elegos> btw, I see the lib inside the "Android Private Libraries" and have no "Android Dependencies" in the project explorer in Eclipse...
May 20 13:37:17 <Tee_Pee> One of my layouts looks like this, and it works like a charm: http://pastebin.com/sH8DBGxy
May 20 13:37:39 <Tee_Pee> (http://i.imgur.com/zOc7uTs.png)
May 20 13:38:46 <Tee_Pee> (pastebin works now)
May 20 13:40:20 <newlex> The android emulator can't see my keypresses from my physical keyboard.. how can I fix this?
May 20 13:40:34 <newlex> rather, it can't see media buttons
May 20 13:40:36 <erdos> oh thanks Tee_Pee! good to know, i'd noticed in the docs and a few people say that you should keep layouts "flat" for performance reasons, but if yours works fine i think i'm good to go!
May 20 13:40:37 <newlex> It can see normal typing
May 20 13:41:26 <newlex> but like I press volume up/down it ignores
May 20 13:41:30 <Tee_Pee> erdos - that's true, but that doesn't mean you should limit yourself and make things harder for a 1% performance boost
May 20 13:42:01 <erdos> definitely!
May 20 13:42:11 <Tee_Pee> The real deal breaker is the way you handle the layout programatically... Do you fire findViewById() from the top of the hierarchy every time, or do you keep references to components you use often?
May 20 13:42:11 <Tee_Pee> etc
May 20 13:42:52 <Tee_Pee> if you are looking for a button, using findViewById from the button's direct parent will be much faster than using findViewById() from a parent view 5 layers up in the hierarchy
May 20 13:43:24 <StingRay_> i think 5 layers borders on bad layout design
May 20 13:43:34 <erdos> oh really? so you do a findViewById for the parent then subsequent calls to that view?
May 20 13:44:08 <erdos> i just wasn't sure of how much it actually affected it, but yeah a couple of % doesn't matter in my case
May 20 13:44:41 <erdos> StingRay_: you mean 5 layers deep?
May 20 13:44:47 <StingRay_> yeah
May 20 13:44:55 <StingRay_> borders
May 20 13:45:00 <StingRay_> not total etc
May 20 13:45:20 <erdos> hehe, first app, v1
May 20 13:45:21 <StingRay_> as in I think it borders on an overcomplicated tree
May 20 13:45:22 <elegos> FYI if you need external JAR files with ADT 17+, you need to select "Android Private Libraries" in the build path/export tab in the project's properties
May 20 13:45:44 <erdos> i think once i have a better grasp of the layout system i'll try to shrink it down, right now i just want to get this thing finished
May 20 13:46:23 <erdos> StingRay_: overcomplicated for the dev looking at it? or overcomplicated for cpu usage?
May 20 13:46:54 <StingRay_> I mean it borders on using the wrong layout types with the wrong kind of layout design
May 20 13:46:55 <StingRay_> ish
May 20 13:47:03 <StingRay_> and for both really
May 20 13:47:07 <elegos> erdos: overcomplicated: something that could be done in a more linear way
May 20 13:47:15 <erdos> right
May 20 13:47:50 <Tee_Pee> I was just using a random example
May 20 13:48:51 <erdos> 1. get it done, 2. make it better later... otherwise i'll keep going around in circles in my head
May 20 13:52:57 <StingRay_> see I really wish I had that mentality
May 20 13:53:06 <StingRay_> thats my major flaw atm
May 20 13:53:24 <Ankhwatcher> once again this widget business has me stumped
May 20 13:54:07 <Ankhwatcher> I am fetching the data, converting it, I can see in the log the views being created, but nothing comes up on screen
May 20 13:56:41 <popers> Good morning
May 20 13:57:25 <popers> i've a question, does anybody knows how to get the Active Fragment in an Activity?
May 20 13:57:27 <Ankhwatcher> popers: good morning
May 20 13:58:50 <Ankhwatcher> I've tried limiting my data to only 5 items in case it was taking too long to deserialize, but it's still not working
May 20 13:59:01 <Tee_Pee> The worst thing ever - external libraries bugging out
May 20 13:59:04 <Tee_Pee> FUCK THAT SHIT
May 20 13:59:11 <Tee_Pee> And fuck OSMDroid right now
May 20 13:59:42 <Ankhwatcher> Tee_Pee: yeah, I have to do a clean every time I start eclipse because Lint freaks out about MenuDrawer
May 20 14:04:16 <kjeldahl> popers: There is no such thing. You _may_ be able to figure out if a fragment is visible, but "active" isn't a typical description for fragments AFAIK.
May 20 14:04:56 <popers> well yes, that is what i want
May 20 14:05:05 <evident> Can anybody tell me how I can crop the camera preview image somehow, so that it doesn't get distorted in the preview SurfaceView (the view is wider than the preview image size, so now it's being stretched. I don't wanna change the view size though, but just show the center of the preview image in it with it's normal ratio)...
May 20 14:05:27 <popers> know if a Fragment is visible, how can i do that?
May 20 14:05:32 <kjeldahl> The SO links should be a good place to start. Looks like many "gotchas", depending on where/how you use fragments.
May 20 14:07:06 <popers> what do you refer with "SO" links? im sorry im learning English language already
May 20 14:07:07 <kjeldahl> If you're manually handling the fragments yourself (in your activity, using fragment transactions), keeping track of what is active should be easy.
May 20 14:07:14 <kjeldahl> stackoverflow.com
May 20 14:07:23 <karlo> popers: I hook myself up to setUserVisibleHint(), seems to be reliable, but I don't like this solution that much
May 20 14:07:46 <popers> OK, I got it...
May 20 14:33:20 <funkbox> android studio doesn't seem to support flavored builds yet does it
May 20 14:46:44 <janosch> hey guys, following the steps from http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/creating-project.html with eclipse, i'm not getting my R.java generated. it's a completely fresh, cleanly generated project. i didn't add anything to it (so no files with strange names)
May 20 14:47:07 <janosch> cleaning doesn't help either. i nuked the whole workspaces and created another project - no success
May 20 15:05:55 <karlo|w> guys, anyone knows when sgs4 developer edition will be available in europe?
May 20 15:20:30 <crised> Why this notation? id.et_email
May 20 15:21:57 <StingRay_> what et ?
May 20 15:22:07 <StingRay_> EditText ?
May 20 15:24:05 <crised> StingRay_: tjx!
May 20 15:31:55 <barad> hi. i am working with sqlite database in android and i have a question.. i have a many to many relationship and i will have three tables (one representing the many to many relationship). how can I represent this in android? i have to create three datasources or just two?
May 20 15:32:56 <StingRay_> just like you would normally
May 20 15:33:15 <barad> but i will need three datasources (one for the relationship)?
May 20 15:33:23 <pwizard1015> Has anyone had an issues with google-play-services_lib after updating to ADT 22?
May 20 15:33:38 <StingRay_> barad: is that how you would implement in mySQL ?
May 20 15:34:08 <barad> in mysql i would create three tables (two for the entities in the relationship and one for the relationship because it is many to many)
May 20 15:34:17 <StingRay_> ok then
May 20 15:34:24 <StingRay_> so why not do the same on android ?
May 20 15:34:34 <barad> yes, but my question is about the datasources
May 20 15:34:39 <barad> i will need three or two?
May 20 15:34:42 <StingRay_> oh sht sorry
May 20 15:34:54 <StingRay_> well 1 db
May 20 15:34:57 <StingRay_> 3 tables
May 20 15:35:30 <barad> and it is a datasource for each table?
May 20 15:35:47 <StingRay_> db = SQLliteHelper
May 20 15:35:56 <StingRay_> opens a database
May 20 15:35:59 <StingRay_> with 3 tables
May 20 15:36:18 <StingRay_> so 1 slqlite helper, opens 1 database, with 3 tables
May 20 15:37:21 <barad> and what about the datasource classes?
May 20 15:37:35 <barad> one for each entity or one for each entity plus one for the relationship?
May 20 15:38:43 <StingRay_> I dont use any javax stuff
May 20 15:38:54 <StingRay_> so not even sure what your asking tbh
May 20 15:39:30 <StingRay_> I just use standard loader,dbhelper for my sqlite needs
May 20 15:41:01 <barad> so for example in an activiry you need to insert a tuple in the database. you create the database object and insert there directly?
May 20 15:41:06 <barad> activity
May 20 15:42:29 <StingRay_> well if an activity needs access I would create one of my db helper classes and use either my convinence methods or even call raw SQL on it
May 20 15:42:41 <StingRay_> load and update are controlled with loaders
May 20 15:44:19 <barad> and your convinence methods are defined outside the helper, right?
May 20 15:44:26 <StingRay_> no
May 20 15:44:41 <StingRay_> but tbh the loader controlls simple things
May 20 15:44:50 <StingRay_> like updates,insert etc
May 20 15:45:02 <StingRay_> cause I would need to reload when the data is changed
May 20 15:45:47 <barad> ok.. i am reading some tutorials and in some they use datasources so thats why i came asking about that
May 20 15:46:16 <StingRay_> ah
May 20 15:47:11 <belgianguy> hmm, seems Gradle is able to convert Maven projects to Gradle projects automatically
May 20 15:47:45 <barad> now i saw one which they use the methods inside the helper (methods to insert a person details for example)
May 20 15:53:09 <barad> btw if I have an entity which primary key will be name, age do I need the _id field while creating the table? or I just need fields name, age and this will be the primary key?
May 20 15:55:27 <crised> What is this?
May 20 15:55:27 <crised> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.layout.html#simple_dropdown_item_1line
May 20 15:55:59 <StingRay_> barad:  _id is alwasy there for anroid sqlite table
May 20 15:56:20 <StingRay_> crised: a resource pointer
May 20 15:56:32 <StingRay_> constant lookup for android.R
May 20 15:56:35 <barad> so in this case the primary key will be (_id, name, age)?
May 20 15:57:16 <alexfu> Has anyone noticed, on a 2.3 emulator, ImageViews seems like they add extra padding to their images.
May 20 15:57:24 <crised> StingRay_:https://github.com/donnfelker/android-bootstrap/blob/master/app/src/main/java/com/donnfelker/android/bootstrap/authenticator/BootstrapAuthenticatorActivity.java#L142
May 20 15:57:36 <crised> I imagine what's the use case there, but I just don't truly understand ti
May 20 15:58:23 <StingRay_> that resource will be a pointer to xml layout in android.R
May 20 15:58:46 <crised> StingRay_: HOw can I see how this resource pointer look like?
May 20 15:58:52 <StingRay_> with the layout…just guesssing… being calld simple_dropdown+item_1line
May 20 15:59:06 <newlex> Is there any way programmatically to tell the device to press HOME or do the equivilent thing?
May 20 15:59:17 <crised> StingRay_: How can I see the whole list in a UI?
May 20 15:59:28 <StingRay_> open android.R
May 20 15:59:36 <StingRay_> all there
May 20 15:59:37 <crised> StingRay_: In other words, is there a graphical view of this? http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.layout.html#simple_dropdown_item_1line
May 20 15:59:46 <StingRay_> oh in the source
May 20 15:59:59 <crised> StingRay_: Yes I know it's there, but...
May 20 15:59:59 <StingRay_> but given the name
May 20 16:00:03 <crised> in the source?
May 20 16:00:11 <StingRay_> lin layout and textview
May 20 16:00:12 <StingRay_> lol
May 20 16:00:21 <StingRay_> android source
May 20 16:00:30 <StingRay_> as in android is open source
May 20 16:00:32 <crised> layour
May 20 16:00:38 <crised> sorry
May 20 16:00:42 <StingRay_> in the source res there will be a layout called that
May 20 16:01:07 * StingRay_ goes for a cig
May 20 16:15:56 <Quacked> What are my alternatives for updating an adapter in another fragment or just make its onCreateView run again?
May 20 16:16:23 <StingRay_> just get a ref to fragment and call a method
May 20 16:16:41 <Quacked> Sounds a bit cumbersome the whole communication to activity and that
May 20 16:16:53 <Quacked> Ref to fragment how?
May 20 16:16:54 <StingRay_> you said fragment
May 20 16:16:59 <StingRay_> not activity
May 20 16:17:13 <StingRay_> findByTag
May 20 16:17:15 <Quacked> Yeah, I'm using a ViewPager
May 20 16:17:32 <bubbleguuum> lol fragments
May 20 16:18:03 <Quacked> StingRay_: Ill look into that. Thanks.
May 20 16:21:28 <inqui> anybody had problems with the last update of the android sdk tools on eclipse?
May 20 16:21:40 <StingRay_> me
May 20 16:21:43 <StingRay_> lots of times
May 20 16:21:47 <inqui> =/
May 20 16:23:17 <inqui> Im going to try download the android bundle again and reinstall it. :S
May 20 16:25:28 <Zah_> Hello.
May 20 16:28:22 <AndrewMac> hey guys, is there anyway to get who an sms was sent to from a device? IE I wanna get the devices number but getLine1Number() returns false
May 20 16:30:01 <StingRay_> huh?
May 20 16:30:25 <StingRay_> you just read the sms db and read the "to" field
May 20 16:30:59 <AndrewMac> StingRay_: that shows me who the sms was sent TO, but not who its FROM
May 20 16:31:08 <AndrewMac> and for incoming sms it shows who it was from and not to
May 20 16:31:20 <StingRay_> then read the person_id
May 20 16:31:30 <StingRay_> but you know you just inversed your question
May 20 16:31:31 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 16:31:52 <AndrewMac> I'm trying to just get my own mobile number off my device, but it wasnt set for the device
May 20 16:32:08 <AndrewMac> yeah I see it was badly worded, sorry :[
May 20 16:32:13 <AndrewMac> its late here :P
May 20 16:32:56 <AndrewMac> any idea how I can get the phone number, i cant see it in sms/mms/telephony
May 20 16:33:10 <artmann> StingRay_: This time i was able to understand the stack trace, Thanks
May 20 16:33:23 <StingRay_> wicked :)
May 20 16:33:36 <artmann> sock progress ;)
May 20 16:33:40 <artmann> sick*
May 20 16:34:20 <artmann> And now I'm going to add some listerners *mindblown*
May 20 16:34:57 <artmann>  Btw is "dip" related to resolution or a fixed measurement?
May 20 16:35:29 <StingRay_> yes
May 20 16:35:32 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 16:35:47 <StingRay_> and in some cases and manufacturers wim
May 20 16:36:58 <Zah_> I want to build a specific kernel module for my Droid 3, but I don't know where to find the kernel headers.
May 20 16:38:20 <Zah_> Does anyone know where I might find the source for kernel 2.6.35.7-g9f70789?
May 20 16:38:41 <StingRay_> Zah_: this is app dev
May 20 16:40:17 <wolfehr> is it possible to add in a header for each row in a list view? Something similar to how we can do section headers in iOS?
May 20 16:42:10 <wolfehr> I guess I can just increase the number of rows and return a different row type
May 20 16:42:49 <StingRay_> or have the row layout include some kind of header bar
May 20 16:42:54 <StingRay_> if you want it on every row
May 20 16:43:04 <StingRay_> just include it in the row layout :)
May 20 16:43:45 <mms_> anyone point me to url that shows how to attach remoteviews to viewgroup in ACTIVITY
May 20 16:44:44 <mms_> I see blank screen when I remoteviews.apply(actContext, viewGroup)
May 20 16:44:59 <mms_> I think I am missing some thing so please guide
May 20 16:45:15 <StingRay_> your setting views across processes ?
May 20 16:45:22 <mms_> StingRay_: yes
May 20 16:45:32 <StingRay_> funky, didn't even know that was poss :)
May 20 16:45:46 <mms_> StingRay_: thats why I am here
May 20 16:47:05 <Quacked> StingRay_: getSupportFragmentManager().beginTransaction().add(fragment, "Fragment3").commit(); in the FragmentActivity with the viewpager and then something like this in the fragment that I want to update Fragment3? Fragment frag = getActivity().getSupportFragmentManager().findFragmentByTag("Fragment3");
May 20 16:47:52 <StingRay_> indeed
May 20 16:49:35 <Quacked> and then ((Fragment3) frag).updateAdapter(); to update it? :S
May 20 16:50:28 <StingRay_> erm, well I would cast it properly when finding it
May 20 16:50:34 <StingRay_> but sup to you what you do
May 20 16:52:13 <hobo_bot> I have a simple static BroadcastReceiver listening for android.intent.action.VIEW audio/* but regardless of the priority I assign to it, the default android receiver is always invoked (I/ActivityManager(  285): START u0 {act=android.intent.action.VIEW dat=file:///xxx.yyy typ=audio/* cmp=com.android.music/.AudioPreview (has extras)} from pid 1480) what could be the reason?
May 20 16:52:19 <Quacked> I get "can't change tag of fragment Fragment3"
May 20 16:52:28 <Quacked> illegalstateexception
May 20 16:52:49 <Quacked> "was Fragment3 now android:switcher"
May 20 16:57:16 <SimonVT> hobo_bot: Doesn't look like it's a broadcast.. Looks more like it's starting an activity
May 20 16:58:48 <hobo_bot> SimonVT: that... sounds very right *facepalm* (sorry it's my first day with android)
May 20 17:05:01 <mms_> anyone guide how to make apply / attach remoteviews to viewgroup.  I am sending remoteviews across processes and its not showing up on display screen
May 20 17:09:19 <conor_f> logcat complains about a null pointer exception on this line: 		if(bundle.containsKey("taking_picture") == true) {
May 20 17:09:23 <conor_f> why?
May 20 17:09:37 <nitind> bundle must be null.
May 20 17:09:39 <timroes> conor_f: because bundle is null
May 20 17:09:57 <timroes> and "== true" is absolutely unnecessary, since the statement itself was already a boolean before
May 20 17:10:29 <conor_f> yeah, I know that. I just put it in in case I misread the docs and it returned null in some case
May 20 17:11:07 <timroes> o.O java is typesafe, if it returns a boolean, it cannot return null in any case
May 20 17:11:12 <SimonVT> Primitives can't be null
May 20 17:11:37 * conor_f has many stupid moments
May 20 17:12:52 <conor_f> I also forgot to getExtras -_-
May 20 17:12:57 <conor_f> sorted now though, thanks
May 20 17:14:27 <conor_f> as a matter of interest, is the Android API regarded as being "good" in terms of usability, efficency, etc?
May 20 17:15:17 <wolfehr> are there any layout types that allow % based widths? Trying to get a layout with 5 columns to expand/contract to fill teh parent view
May 20 17:16:49 <JakeWharton> weights give you percentage based size
May 20 17:16:56 <funkbox> bah. anyone got ABS running fully with android studio ?
May 20 17:17:03 <funkbox> getting stuff like Gradle: No resource found that matches the given name: attr 'actionBarStyle'.
May 20 17:23:12 <jasta> im curious about how the android studio interacts with gradle.  i'm guessing it's not calling out to gradle on the command-line?  it must be integrating at a higher level than that
May 20 17:23:31 <shmooz> JakeWharton: is there a list of popular apps that use ABS ?
May 20 17:23:36 <funkbox> jasta: at IO they said it's completely decoupled
May 20 17:23:37 <jasta> specifically im wondering about how its performance characteristics change with very, very large gradle projects
May 20 17:23:47 <funkbox> shmooz: every app, except for the official google IO app.
May 20 17:23:52 <jasta> funkbox: really, so it does just shell out to gradle?
May 20 17:24:07 <shmooz> funkbox: thanks that narrows it down ;)
May 20 17:24:12 <JakeWharton> shmooz: I can give you a list. Or maybe this: http://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/details/sherlock/actionbar-sherlock
May 20 17:24:22 <funkbox> jasta: AFAIK, yes
May 20 17:24:23 <shmooz> thanks JakeWharton
May 20 17:24:35 <jasta> interesting.
May 20 17:24:45 <jasta> the android gradle plugin's build performance kind of blows.
May 20 17:25:00 <jasta> that's disappointing
May 20 17:25:05 <Mavrik> hmm
May 20 17:25:07 <jasta> it appears to build more artifacts than are necessary
May 20 17:25:11 <shmooz> very nice list of apps indeed :)
May 20 17:25:25 <Mavrik> is there a way of passing a "return from activity" animation in ActivityOptions when starting an intent?
May 20 17:25:26 <jasta> and also integrating into intellij this ways means that can't take advantage of the fact that intellij already compiled your modules before you asked gradle to do it
May 20 17:25:46 <funkbox> i'm trying to convert our app to gradle now with android studio to see how it works
May 20 17:25:47 <JakeWharton> Mavrik: no
May 20 17:25:57 <JakeWharton> Mavrik: you can't know what activity is behind you
May 20 17:26:02 <funkbox> jasta: you can narrow down what it should build
May 20 17:26:16 <Mavrik> JakeWharton, hmm, not behind you
May 20 17:26:32 <Mavrik> I'm trying to say "open this activity and when returning HERE I want this animation"
May 20 17:27:05 <Mavrik> and am just wondering if there is a sane way of doing that
May 20 17:27:15 <SimonVT> jasta: I think the idea was to decouple it, so every ide didn't make up their own approach to building
May 20 17:27:19 <JakeWharton> not really, no
May 20 17:27:26 <CocoStorm> ohai
May 20 17:27:29 <Mavrik> *grumbl*
May 20 17:27:53 <Mavrik> it seems android:activityOpenExitAnimation works very inconsistently, gonna have to hack together something with overridePendingTransitions then -_-
May 20 17:28:44 <funkbox> the question is, use new gradle stuff or do maven
May 20 17:28:47 <nubae> hi foilks... have what may be a weird question... I bought an ainol spark 9 inch tablet, and was able to flash it no problem by writing twrp directly to nand and then install cyanogenmod via going into recovery which ran twrp. After aboiut a week I decided to installl AOSP, which I geneally prever, except this time, after restarting the tablet it got stuck in a bootloop, the only tihng showing the little green android robot
May 20 17:29:12 <funkbox> nubae: wrong channel
May 20 17:29:16 <nubae> ive tried
May 20 17:29:26 <nubae> which  channel should I talk to?
May 20 17:29:38 <CocoStorm> I have so much free time, I wanna create an app but I've no ideas -_-
May 20 17:29:47 <nubae> its a little unclear where I might get some help :-)
May 20 17:29:55 <Napalm> nubae: as the topic says.. ask in #android-root
May 20 17:30:19 <nubae> ahhh, ok i misread then, thought it said android-dev
May 20 17:30:32 <nubae> thanks and sorry bout that
May 20 17:34:08 <JakeWharton> funkbox: Maven is (and has always been) a trainwreck for Android
May 20 17:34:21 <funkbox> JakeWharton: what do you recommend?
May 20 17:34:24 <JakeWharton> the Gradle system is very well designed and a first-party solution
May 20 17:34:49 <funkbox> JakeWharton: what do you guys use?
May 20 17:34:54 <JakeWharton> Maven
May 20 17:35:38 <funkbox> i guess i can give gradle a few more hours
May 20 17:47:51 <alexfu> Strange... I just converted a ListActivity into a ListFragment and now onListItemClick isn't being triggered.
May 20 17:48:44 <speakingcode-wor> is it true you cannot replace a fragment defined in xml?
May 20 17:53:17 <CocoStorm> is it possible to create an app that makes someone elses device vibrate
May 20 17:54:49 <nitind> Vibrating a device other than the one the app is running on?
May 20 17:55:22 <SimonVT> The messaging app does that
May 20 17:55:22 <speakingcode-wor> CocoStorm: depends how big of a device ur talkin about
May 20 17:55:52 <CocoStorm> SimonVT, yes but without sending a message
May 20 17:55:53 <CocoStorm> =]
May 20 17:56:07 <speakingcode-wor> if you defie a fragment in xml, can it not be changed programatically?
May 20 17:56:07 <CocoStorm> speakingcode-wor, really?
May 20 17:56:21 <speakingcode-wor> s/defie/define
May 20 17:57:31 <evident> hi everybody. In the docs it says in Camera's takePicture() method that you can pass a PictureCallback for the raw image data. This might return null if the callback doesn't exist or is too small to hold the raw image data. How do I find out how big the callback is? How can I make it big enough so I can get the raw image data and not just the jpeg compressed data?
May 20 17:57:32 <nitind> That doesn't make sense.
May 20 17:58:33 <speakingcode-wor> is it an array you pass?
May 20 17:59:03 <speakingcode-wor> if it's a byte array like a lot of the other imaging stuff, then it would be something like width*height maybe?
May 20 18:00:04 <speakingcode-wor> what you could do, nitind, if it is an array... is pass back a really big array and pause it in debugger n see how many values in the array get filled
May 20 18:00:14 <speakingcode-wor> or read the implementation source
May 20 18:00:20 <crised> Anybody knows  SafeAsyncTask<ResultT> ?
May 20 18:00:26 <crised> it's from RoboGuice
May 20 18:00:32 <crised> Anybody familiar with it?
May 20 18:00:49 <speakingcode-wor> err sorry, evident. not nitind
May 20 18:01:27 <evident> All I did was create a Camera.PictureCallback which has the onPictureTaken(byte[] data, Camera camera) method in it... so I never initialize the byte[]... When I add the Picture as the JPEG callback instead of the raw callback, I always get a data-array back (always with different size due to JPEG compression)... but as raw-callback all I get is null
May 20 18:01:33 <crised> https://github.com/roboguice/roboguice/blob/master/roboguice/src/main/java/roboguice/util/SafeAsyncTask.java
May 20 18:01:35 <pwizard1015> Has anyone had/solved issues with google-play-services_lib after the ADT updates last week?
May 20 18:01:50 <crised> Can this Class be used to run heavy duty processing? Unlike Android AsyncTask?
May 20 18:02:26 <newlex> does a CountdownTimer restart itself every time?
May 20 18:02:28 <newlex> or it just does it once?
May 20 18:06:07 <AkiraYB> Hello! I'm trying to export my project from Eclipse to Android Studio but I think I'm doing something wrong, because the new file structure isn't present when I import the project on Android Studio.
May 20 18:07:16 <AkiraYB> Is this the correct behaviour or should I do something different? As I understand from this link: http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio-tips.html the imported project should be with the new structure too.
May 20 18:08:44 <kjeldahl> Export didn't work at my end; Eclipse kept complaining about version 22 being needed, even though that was already installed. It's fairly simple to import the project into AS however, similar to how you would do it in Eclipse ("Import project"). You will need to set up your module/jar dependencies and similar, but other than that it should be fairly smooth even if the export stuff fails.
May 20 18:08:55 <kjeldahl> (version 22 of ADT)
May 20 18:09:02 <conor_f> is onCreate() not called when the screen is rotated?
May 20 18:14:46 <mojzesz> Hi today I have installed app for sms from market and freeze stock app and I wasn't able to receive any message and I don't know why
May 20 18:14:51 <SimonVT> It is, unless you handle config changes
May 20 18:15:16 <mojzesz> Knows anyone reason of this problem?
May 20 18:17:29 <mojzesz> Maybe I must uninstall stock app for replace by another app
May 20 18:17:39 <SimonVT> Try #android or #android-root
May 20 18:17:41 <funkbox> mojzesz: wrong channel
May 20 18:17:44 <SimonVT> Depending on whether you're rooted or not
May 20 18:17:47 <pwizard1015> conor_f: I don't think so. The activity has already been created at that point. onResume may be though
May 20 18:18:14 <mojzesz> Of course I have root
May 20 18:18:27 <mojzesz> And room toolbox
May 20 18:18:35 <mojzesz> Rom
May 20 18:18:55 <funkbox> mojzesz: this is a developer channel not "how do i use my phone" channel
May 20 18:19:09 <speakingcode-wor> if i declare a fragment in xml, can i replace it programatically with another fragment?
May 20 18:19:29 <mojzesz> OK I ask on other chan
May 20 18:20:54 <SimonVT> speakingcode-wor, did you try?
May 20 18:22:46 <Mavrik> speakingcode-wor, yes, but I've had nothing but problems with that when restoring state
May 20 18:23:23 <speakingcode-wor> no. a stack overplow post said you cant, but another showed doing it, figured i'd ask out for expert insight before bothering implementing n frustrating myself with a half-working deal
May 20 18:24:34 <SimonVT> Fragments defined in xml isn't really meant to be removed
May 20 18:25:09 <SimonVT> The layout inflater doesn't care that you removed it, it'll add it when parsing the xml
May 20 18:25:38 <speakingcode-wor>  don't want to remove it just replace it upon an action
May 20 18:25:56 <SimonVT> While the state of fragments added in code is properly retained by the fragment manager
May 20 18:26:01 <pwizard1015> SimonVT: What would be the point of a fragment that isn't meant to be removed? Changing layouts to a tablet?
May 20 18:26:16 <SimonVT> Replace removes the existing fragment..
May 20 18:26:51 <speakingcode-wor> it doesn't make sense to me why xml should behave differently than programatically creating
May 20 18:27:00 <SimonVT> pwizard1015, e.g. a navigation menu
May 20 18:27:00 <Mavrik> speakingcode-wor, I suggest you just add it programatically for your usecase
May 20 18:27:08 <SimonVT> Could implement that as a fragment and have callbacks to your activity
May 20 18:27:33 <speakingcode-wor> SimonVT: that's what this is
May 20 18:27:40 <speakingcode-wor> i have a menu fragment and a content fragment
May 20 18:27:59 <speakingcode-wor> i'd like button clicks on the menu to callback to the activity which would then replace which fragment is shown in the content
May 20 18:28:10 <SimonVT> Handle it in code
May 20 18:28:33 <SimonVT> When your xml is inflated, the fragment you defined in code is going to get added
May 20 18:28:44 <speakingcode-wor> what's wrong with that?
May 20 18:29:14 <SimonVT> It doesn't care that you removed it in another instance of the activity
May 20 18:29:25 <speakingcode-wor> neither do i
May 20 18:29:31 <Mavrik> of course you do
May 20 18:29:37 <SimonVT> So you end up with 2 fragments as the content
May 20 18:29:48 <speakingcode-wor> why owuld i end up with two?
May 20 18:30:06 <speakingcode-wor> it's a single instance activity
May 20 18:30:06 <SimonVT> The fragmentmanager creates and adds the fragment you replaced the one defined in xml with
May 20 18:30:15 <speakingcode-wor> ok
May 20 18:30:28 <speakingcode-wor> but if the activity instance i did that in is destoryed.... why do i care?
May 20 18:30:36 <speakingcode-wor> all this is expected behavior
May 20 18:30:43 <SimonVT> Eh
May 20 18:31:04 <SimonVT> e.g. during an orientation change
May 20 18:31:12 <speakingcode-wor> the activity is created... fragment from xml is inflated... user action changes it..
May 20 18:31:40 <speakingcode-wor> wouldn't i have to maintain state either way?
May 20 18:31:47 <SimonVT> Activity is created, xml fragment is added, xml fragment is removed, code fragment is added.. user changes orientation, activity is destroyed, activity is created, xml fragment is added, code fragment is added
May 20 18:32:02 <speakingcode-wor> if user does orientation change
May 20 18:32:10 <speakingcode-wor> activity is created, fragment from xml is added
May 20 18:32:17 <speakingcode-wor> and i'm back at the same path as the other
May 20 18:32:41 <speakingcode-wor> if i want to maintain state, i'd just replace it again... which is what i'd have to do either way, no?
May 20 18:32:46 <SimonVT> No
May 20 18:32:59 <speakingcode-wor> hows that? activity is created, programatically creates initial fragment
May 20 18:33:11 <speakingcode-wor> orientation change. activity is created, programatically created initial fragment
May 20 18:33:33 <SimonVT> No
May 20 18:33:56 <SimonVT> If you add a fragment to the fragment manager, when the activity is restored from state it is going to re-create and add that fragment
May 20 18:34:13 <speakingcode-wor> oh
May 20 18:34:19 <SimonVT> If you have a fragment in xml, it is always going to get added when the layout is inflated
May 20 18:34:24 <speakingcode-wor> whats the trade off?
May 20 18:34:45 <SimonVT> Trade off?
May 20 18:34:58 <speakingcode-wor> there must be a trade off or why use xml at all
May 20 18:36:11 <SimonVT> You use xml when you know the fragment is permanent
May 20 18:36:25 <speakingcode-wor> that seems to defeat the purpose of fragments, damn near
May 20 18:36:26 <SimonVT> It's either a fragment tag or a framelayout + added it in code
May 20 18:36:45 <AkiraYB> kjeldahl: Thanks for your answer! I have imported before the project in IntelliJ (and now with Android Studio), but what I couldn't get was the new file structure (with all files in the src folder) and the Gradle build system to be used in Android Studio. As I understand it, it was using the default ("old") build system.
May 20 18:36:47 <SimonVT> How so?
May 20 18:36:53 <speakingcode-wor> "only use xml for a modular component when you know it won't be modular"
May 20 18:37:13 <drudge> how would I use an exclamation point right after a param in strings.xml? <string name="welcome_user">Welcome, %2 !</string>
May 20 18:37:51 <SeptDePique> hello all!! where is right place to ask for Android/GCM issues??
May 20 18:38:08 <nitind> GCM?
May 20 18:38:21 <SeptDePique> google cloud messaging
May 20 18:38:40 <Mavrik> SeptDePique, here probably >(
May 20 18:38:43 <speakingcode-wor> what's the issue
May 20 18:38:44 <Mavrik> :)
May 20 18:39:29 <SeptDePique> where should I place the gcm registration code preferably?
May 20 18:40:09 <Mavrik> background service on application startup
May 20 18:40:23 <SeptDePique> I've just started with android, so I am unsure how I should use GCM in a real application
May 20 18:40:25 <Mavrik> and check if you're already registered first.
May 20 18:40:55 <SeptDePique> ok.. thx
May 20 18:40:56 <erisco> what is the standard way users activate speech recognition?
May 20 18:41:06 <conor_f> http://pastebin.com/2tn1P8u9 Will someone explain why line 8 isn't reached when the screen orientation is changed please?
May 20 18:42:32 <Mavrik> SeptDePique, depends what you need to do
May 20 18:42:44 <Mavrik> SeptDePique, just remember you cant send pushes to the app until you have its registration id
May 20 18:42:58 <Mavrik> and registration takes a little time and may not work immediately :)
May 20 18:43:51 <SimonVT> conor_f: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onSaveInstanceState(android.os.Bundle)
May 20 18:44:02 <nitind> conor_f: a) It looks like a line comment  b) seems pretty straightforward.
May 20 18:44:19 <speakingcode-wor> conor_f:
May 20 18:44:28 <speakingcode-wor> you're using getIntent.getExtras()
May 20 18:44:36 <speakingcode-wor> but that key is in your saved instance state bundle
May 20 18:44:38 <speakingcode-wor> you should do
May 20 18:44:56 <speakingcode-wor> if(bundle.constainsKey("taking_picture") ...
May 20 18:45:18 <conor_f> nitind: yes, I understand line 8 is a line comment. I meant that block. and if I found it so straightforward I wouldn't have asked ;)
May 20 18:45:20 <speakingcode-wor> as you have named the Bundle paramater passed to onCreate as 'bundle'
May 20 18:45:25 <SeptDePique> Mavrik: do you know an example where GCM is used in a real application (not just "hello world")?
May 20 18:45:50 <speakingcode-wor> saved instance state doesn't come from intent extras
May 20 18:45:53 <conor_f> speakingcode-wor: ahh, ok
May 20 18:46:20 <speakingcode-wor> it is the Bundle paramater passed to onCreate. instead of Bundle bundle you should probably follow convention and name it Bundle savedInstanceState
May 20 18:46:26 <Mavrik> SeptDePique, uhm, anything that sends you notifications :)
May 20 18:46:34 <conor_f> I understand :) Thanks speakingcode-wor
May 20 18:46:42 <Mavrik> it's like 60%+ of all apps :)
May 20 18:46:48 <erisco> is there a typical hardware button to press to activate voice recognition?
May 20 18:47:04 <erisco> for example, on windows phone, you long press the home button
May 20 18:47:27 <Mavrik> erisco, long-press headphones button, but otherwise no
May 20 18:47:35 <Mavrik> it's the microphone icon
May 20 18:47:38 <Mavrik> or voice activation
May 20 18:48:24 <SeptDePique> thx Mavrik, I think I'll have to ask google again ;)
May 20 18:48:49 <erisco> thanks Mavrik
May 20 18:49:11 <erisco> hopefully soon I'll be able to get an android phone and I won't have to ask these things :P
May 20 18:49:26 <Mavrik> ;)
May 20 18:51:01 <AkiraYB> When I export a project from Eclipse (generate gradle files) and import it in Android Studio, is it supposed to change the file structure of the project?
May 20 18:51:56 <Mavrik> AkiraYB, probably yeah :)
May 20 18:52:01 <Mavrik> gradle has different structure
May 20 18:52:29 <Sonicadvance1> Or you can just import the eclipse project in to Android Studio
May 20 18:52:33 <Sonicadvance1> Tgat works as well
May 20 18:53:04 <AkiraYB> That's what I thought... What is strange is that it's not doing that when I try to export/import the project.
May 20 18:53:06 <AkiraYB> :)
May 20 18:55:36 <AkiraYB> Yeah! I could import the project as I have done in the past with IntelliJ, but I wanted to try the new build system, as IntelliJ (or Android Studio using the "normal" build system) doesn't build the project as fast as in Eclipse.
May 20 18:55:46 <kjeldahl> Anybody found a way to speed up the dex'ing stage on AS yet? It's A LOT slower than in Eclipse.
May 20 18:57:08 <AkiraYB> hahah That's an issue I got too... I _think_ that using Gradle as a build system should speed up things, but I don't think it's using that to build the project when I simply import it from the Eclipse project.
May 20 19:01:19 <codepete> Hi Everyone, I have a dumb question. I have an app that has an Http Singleton and for the longest time we were not releasing the connection by doing a EntityUtils.consume(entity) or response.getEntity().consumeContent() we were getting a lot of crash reports that indicated the connection wasn't released. After adding the snippet of code, to release the request/connection, we noticed that there were a drop in requests to our ser
May 20 19:02:12 <codepete> Could not releasing the connection cause an inflation in requests to the server?
May 20 19:02:24 <Zaknafein> I just read this link on stackoverflow concerning group chat. Which one of these libraries is recommended to work with in terms of reliability/documentation etc? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6703669/android-apis-for-live-chat-in-android
May 20 19:02:41 <kjeldahl> There's some info on the dexing slowness here: http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-80408
May 20 19:02:50 <SeptDePique> is it possible to group gui components??
May 20 19:06:19 <Ankhwatcher> Does anyone know what the special rules are for what you put into a item in Widget ListView? I've trying to use the normal ListView items I have, but it doesn't seem to let me include elements like views.
May 20 19:08:09 <Ankhwatcher> well, to be more clear: Eclipse and Lint allow me to add the elements, but then the listview doesn't load any items when they are there
May 20 19:13:22 <storkme> man, twitters display requirements are a pita
May 20 19:15:46 <kjeldahl> If I replace android-rt.jar with the one referenced in the link I wrote, I manage to shave off 5 seconds off a ~30 second build. Still looks like AS has a few tricks to learn from Eclipse when building for Android.
May 20 19:16:04 <kjeldahl> Here's the link: http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-101291
May 20 19:18:02 <WoC> is there a way to enable X Windows compatibility  in Android ? It would be nice to be able to use the existing gui with X Windows applications and DISPLAY setting
May 20 19:18:17 <ciurkut> anyone have any experience in parsing ussd?
May 20 19:19:07 <ciurkut> i mean in catching ussd without displaying?:<
May 20 19:21:53 <SeptDePique> once again: how do I group graphical elements in android apps?
May 20 19:23:32 <kjeldahl> WoC: Exactly what do you want? There are VNC clients, but anything more than that and I belive you are SOL or in for some big-time tinkering.
May 20 19:25:21 <Ankhwatcher> SeptDePique: ViewGroup?
May 20 19:26:10 <SeptDePique> Ankhwatcher: where do i find ViewGroup in eclipse??
May 20 19:26:49 <Ankhwatcher> SeptDePique: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html
May 20 19:29:15 <Quacked> I have a DialogFragment that I launch from Fragment2, in which I call a method with adapter.notifyDataSetChanged() in Fragment3 to update the ListView there. I know that the method is executed, but dismissing the DialogFragment and going from the active Fragment2 to Fragment3 - the ListView is not updated. If I go to Fragment1 and back to Fragment3, onCreateView is launched and ListView is updated. Any ideas?
May 20 19:29:25 <rager> howdy... I've got an app that isn't showing up in the play store for larger tablets, but it's there for phones, smaller tablets, and the Galaxy Player - anybody know what could cause this?
May 20 19:30:53 <wviana> hello, how can I get the text from a TextEdit in a AlertDialog ? I'm testing and getting null from findViewById() https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f3d9aa4ed4e6119da8ec
May 20 19:31:44 <Quacked> wviana: TextView text = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.textView1); text.getText().toString();
May 20 19:32:03 <SeptDePique> maybe I should ask in another way: what is the Android-equivalent to JPanel?
May 20 19:32:39 <Ankhwatcher> SeptDePique: that depends. What's JPanel?
May 20 19:32:39 <wviana> Quacked: but it is a EditText
May 20 19:33:19 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: get your edittext object and scroll through the functions available
May 20 19:33:39 <Quacked> you said TextEdit so I assumed TextView
May 20 19:33:47 <SeptDePique> Ankhwatcher: JPanel is a swing component for "normal" Java-GUIs
May 20 19:33:50 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: read the docs http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/EditText.html
May 20 19:34:13 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: you may need to register an onTextChanged Listener
May 20 19:34:37 <Ankhwatcher> SeptDePique: like the rope? Frame? Seat?
May 20 19:34:42 <Quacked> hmm.. maybe my question is tl;nr :P
May 20 19:35:25 <wviana> Ankhwatcher: but the findViewById() is not return the reference to EditText, like in the code is showing null https://gist.github.com/anonymous/80fc5f0c17a7ed9a6cda
May 20 19:36:47 <Napalm> canadiancow: yo, looky what I found.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrKh-L4bqU
May 20 19:37:35 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: you might need to use something like dialog.FindViewById() for that
May 20 19:38:50 <speakingcode-wor> i am writing a click event handler for menu items in a menu fragment, to dynamically load fragments in another container
May 20 19:39:15 <wviana> Ankhwatcher: this dialog object would be the AlertDialog instance ?
May 20 19:39:15 <speakingcode-wor> to support tablets and handsets, the container fragment may have null fragments (in handsets)
May 20 19:40:02 <speakingcode-wor> i can test for null via findFragmentById(), but i have N possible fragments
May 20 19:40:23 <speakingcode-wor> so is there an easy way to just see if the container is null, instead of checking n particular fragments?
May 20 19:40:46 <marlinc> Is it possible to use the in-app payments API to buy for example a ad free experience. So the server can remember that for the user?
May 20 19:40:54 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: exactly
May 20 19:41:11 <marlinc> Is it possible to use the in-app payments API to buy for example a ad free experience. And send it to my own server so the server can remember that for the user?
May 20 19:41:21 <Sambarboz> I'm using the new Android Studio, and it complains when I reference custom TextView classes with custom fonts, somebody knows why?
May 20 19:41:46 <Sambarboz> +marlinc, I think it is.
May 20 19:42:10 <zyngawow> Does anyone know any good free API for getting stock exchange data?
May 20 19:43:13 <bluesm> Is there a simpler way to draw something
May 20 19:43:22 <bluesm> than create "openGL window" ?
May 20 19:44:30 <Quacked> In Fragment3 do updateAdapter{adapter.NotifyDataSetChanged() } and it updates the ListView fine. But when I call the method in Fragment2, the ListView is not updated when I move to Fragment3. I use a ViewPager and 3 fragments. Any ideas?
May 20 19:44:50 <Sambarboz> @bluesm, you can use the Canvas class.
May 20 19:45:49 <speakingcode-wor> how can i see which fragment is in a container?
May 20 19:47:20 <bluesm> Sambarboz: Thanks :)
May 20 19:48:05 <GNUton> Hi there
May 20 19:48:20 <wviana> Ankhwatcher: Yes, I get it, I just use the view that I set in my AlerDialog.builder thanks a lot
May 20 19:48:59 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: I'm not sure that's what I said, but if it's working, good!
May 20 19:51:19 <wviana> Ankhwatcher: not what u said, but what u said open my mind to understand what was wrong. cause, if I use just findViewById() it will search by a View in the same view from the activity, but i need to findViewById() from the same view that I had set to my Dialog :)
May 20 19:51:48 <Ankhwatcher> wviana: ah, yes that's the idea
May 20 19:52:22 <beastman> How would I implement my own thread listener? So I can have simple event methods get called on the main thread?
May 20 19:57:55 <monsti> beastman: i suggest using AsyncTask and if needed RunOnUi
May 20 20:00:46 <DarkSlay3r> Hi guys quick question
May 20 20:00:58 <DarkSlay3r> Math.exp(x)
May 20 20:00:59 <Ankhwatcher> Does anyone know where the documentation for what is and is not allowed in a Remote View is?
May 20 20:01:15 <DarkSlay3r> gives Infinity on anything more that 3 digits
May 20 20:01:20 <DarkSlay3r> anyone know a fix for this?
May 20 20:04:03 <SimonVT> DarkSlay3r: Pass it a datatype that can hold larger numbers
May 20 20:04:50 <DarkSlay3r> Example?
May 20 20:05:48 <memoryleak> I'm trying to let the user capture a photo using the camera. So far, the camera app opens, I can tak a picture, the picture is saved in the location I defined - but the activity result method is never called, so I don't know if and when the user captured a photo. My code: http://pastie.org/7936173
May 20 20:07:12 <SimonVT> Well, google says e^100 is 2.6*10^43 .. An integer has a max value of ~2.2*10^9
May 20 20:07:41 <DarkSlay3r> This is a big issue
May 20 20:08:04 <DarkSlay3r> because i need to take e^32648
May 20 20:09:25 <dragorn> you're into "custom math library" then
May 20 20:09:59 <dragorn> libgmp for native code, I'm sure there's an equivalent (or bindings) for java
May 20 20:10:18 <memoryleak> Anyone an idea about the activityResult issue?
May 20 20:10:44 <StingRay_> memoryleak: does it do other lifecycle things when returning to your app ?
May 20 20:11:14 <StingRay_> where is that onActivityResult …. main activity ?
May 20 20:11:34 <Zaknafein> Can someone explain in this code how BezelSwipeListener is an interface but its also a field in this class? https://github.com/QuantumBadger/RedReader/blob/master/src/main/java/org/quantumbadger/redreader/views/bezelmenu/BezelSwipeOverlay.java?source=cc
May 20 20:11:43 <DarkSlay3r> dragorn: i might need some hand holding
May 20 20:12:06 <dragorn> DarkSlay3r: I've never tried to do very large math in java, so I'm not the one to do the hand holding, unfortunately
May 20 20:12:13 <memoryleak> StingRay_: HomeActivity is the 3rd activity called in the app (Splash > Login > Home)
May 20 20:13:23 <dragorn> DarkSlay3r: your best bet is to find an existing library in pure java and just incorporate the jar into your project
May 20 20:14:09 <StingRay_> memoryleak: dont set Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP
May 20 20:15:31 <DarkSlay3r> good advice dragorn i'll look into it
May 20 20:16:32 <dragorn> DarkSlay3r: libgmp might be a place to start, but i'm sure there will be a java native equivalent for large math
May 20 20:16:40 <memoryleak> StingRay_: I've remode that allready. OnResume is called after I confirm the picture (Nexus 7 default app)
May 20 20:17:44 <StingRay_> memoryleak: no idea then
May 20 20:18:16 <memoryleak> StingRay_: Ok, now it works... let me try to find out what it was
May 20 20:20:32 <WoC> kjeldahl, ok, thanks though. Wouldnt know a way to kill the android gui and keep it from re-spawning ?
May 20 20:21:46 <WoC> if that can be done, it should be possible to start a normal x session
May 20 20:21:49 <mheld> hey y'all
May 20 20:22:34 <mheld> I'm trying to get my listview to not reset to the top when you change directions during a fling (you fling down, then you fling up) and it'll set the state of the listview to be idle -- even though it never really is
May 20 20:22:50 <mheld> how can I check for this form of idle?
May 20 20:23:12 <mheld> (and it resets to the top because I invalidate the adapter when it's idle and not scrolling)
May 20 20:25:15 <StingRay_> mheld: why do you invalidate it ?
May 20 20:25:45 <mheld> StingRay_: because I have a computationally intense thing that generates the views and I need it to reset only when it's done scrolling
May 20 20:25:57 <mheld> the invalidation resets it at this point
May 20 20:30:09 <StingRay_> would that not cause more probs ?
May 20 20:30:19 <mheld> no
May 20 20:30:21 <StingRay_> as in if you invalidate the views, you have to generate them again ?
May 20 20:30:38 <mheld> that's exactly what I want once the listview is idle
May 20 20:30:49 <StingRay_> oh to re-gen the views
May 20 20:30:53 <mheld> yup
May 20 20:31:02 <mheld> otherwise it stutters
May 20 20:31:53 <StingRay_> so why not just store the position on idle ?
May 20 20:32:23 <mheld> the position of what?
May 20 20:33:07 <StingRay_> the scroll (abs)
May 20 20:33:29 <StingRay_> if your not wanting it to reset to 0
May 20 20:33:34 <mheld> StingRay_: http://pastie.org/private/xskhkiaeaueqndqv45e6w is what I do
May 20 20:34:27 <StingRay_> oh a kinda snap to thing
May 20 20:34:55 <mheld> well, we do that too because we want the pager that we scroll left and right into to scroll at the same position
May 20 20:35:03 <mheld> this stuff all works
May 20 20:35:41 <StingRay_> yeah but why invalidate the dataSet ?
May 20 20:35:53 <mheld> for some reason I'll fling in one direction, things will work great -- then I'll fling in the other direction (while it's still flinging) and it somehow goes into an idle state
May 20 20:36:00 <mheld> StingRay_: because I need to regenerate the views!
May 20 20:36:10 <mheld> StingRay_: the views are effectively empty until I'm done scrolling
May 20 20:36:22 <StingRay_> huh, freaky
May 20 20:38:53 <wviana> Thanks to yours help I progress a lot in my project today. Thank u a lot. :D
May 20 20:42:22 <ikurt_> I've stumbled on a issue with gradle. I have 2 libraries that both compile a jar. Now, when an app that depends on both libraries is built, compilation fails with "class already added"
May 20 20:42:30 <ikurt_> what's the right way to handle this?
May 20 20:47:29 <DeviantPeer> argh... this is fun. Install AS, try to create a "hello world" following the "New Project" wizard... and it fails completely.
May 20 20:47:31 <DeviantPeer> Oh well..
May 20 20:47:58 <ikurt_> DeviantPeer: Do you have gradle in your path by any chance?
May 20 20:48:02 <DeviantPeer> yes
May 20 20:48:18 <ikurt_> DeviantPeer: AS comes with gradle and it doesn't play well with gradle that is arleady in path
May 20 20:48:51 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: I can uninstall gradle. I though it was necessary
May 20 20:48:55 <ikurt_> ikurt_: I had the same issue. I removed gradle from my PATH, and was able to create a project successfully
May 20 20:48:56 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: here it goes...
May 20 20:49:12 <ikurt_> DeviantPeer: I had the same issue. I removed gradle from my PATH, and was able to create a project successfully
May 20 20:49:31 <ikurt_> DeviantPeer: Also, make sure you've set proxy correctly if you are behind a proxy server
May 20 20:49:33 <mheld> StingRay_: yeah, I have no idea why I'm getting the idle state
May 20 20:49:45 <mheld> off to the source code!
May 20 20:49:54 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: ok, no proxies here. so that's ok.
May 20 20:51:56 <DeviantPeer> uff.. it's slow...
May 20 20:53:24 <DeviantPeer> ahhh.. it runs now. I guess it was a gradle issue with the system version.
May 20 20:55:17 <DeviantPeer> so.. what's the big advantadge of using gradle?
May 20 20:56:00 <ikurt_> DeviantPeer: Well.. I'm new to gradle too. So, I can't tell. I was hoping to get in touch with someone familiar with gradle as I'm stuck with an issue trying to convert my existing projects to use gradle.
May 20 20:56:25 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: well.. don't convert then? :) What are you using now for building?
May 20 20:57:24 <ikurt_> We are in a state of flux right now. Some members use Eclipse, some use command-line, some use Intellij. There is no unified system which we can use from IDE as well as command line.
May 20 20:58:05 <ikurt_> So, we are looking at build systems that help us manage our android projects.
May 20 20:58:30 <ikurt_> Was looking at Maven and now that Google officially supports gradle, that seems like a better option
May 20 20:58:31 <brx_> the word 'gradle' is sneaking into this channel at an alarming rate
May 20 20:58:37 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: I have a really good experience with maven.
May 20 20:59:13 <DeviantPeer> ikurt_: and I really can't understand Google going for something that will in the end lead to the same mess as the ant build
May 20 20:59:41 <DeviantPeer> at least it feels to me that as gradle can be "programmed" people will do it, and program things on top of things.
May 20 20:59:51 <ikurt_> brx_: well, that's whats new with android development. And there is not a lot of good documentation/samples wrt Android plugin for Gradle. Until we get some good examples/documentation, I wouldn't expect the questions on gradle to go down.
May 20 20:59:55 <DeviantPeer> brx_: that's probably true...
May 20 21:00:21 <DeviantPeer> was it just me that got a bit disapointed with io13?
May 20 21:01:43 <DeviantPeer> the end of ADT, a build system based on something that no one uses, no one knows, and is far from being proven
May 20 21:02:10 <DeviantPeer> the start of the end for XMPP
May 20 21:02:23 <DeviantPeer> :/
May 20 21:02:25 <kjeldahl> Yeah, tying development to specific IDEs never seems like a good idea.
May 20 21:02:35 <pragma-> shrug, I do all my editing in vim, and my building on the command-line, like the programming gods intended
May 20 21:02:47 <thecodeischaos> i use emacs and bash scripts
May 20 21:02:49 <brx_> pragma-, but we aint all as cool as you :(
May 20 21:03:23 <brx_> im going to wait until the transition is noob-proof through documentation, in the mean time eclipse will still be my number 1 :)
May 20 21:04:00 <DeviantPeer> any thing that edits and maven does the trick for me.
May 20 21:05:02 <DeviantPeer> maybe I just had a bad experience with Intellij... was forced feed into my workflow, and everyone I got to know that used it was a brogrammer...
May 20 21:05:33 <pragma-> stackoverflow-copy/paster
May 20 21:05:40 <DeviantPeer> yes, that kind.
May 20 21:06:26 <DeviantPeer> people that develop but never have the sources of the libraries they are using, not even the library docs...
May 20 21:07:03 <DeviantPeer> one of the guys was actually fun to watch (for a while) as he would shout when the copy&pasted code didn't work as he wanted.
May 20 21:07:05 <DeviantPeer> :)
May 20 21:07:21 <g00s> brx_: i've been trying intellij for 4 days; its easy to see why people like it - has great java editing etc; but eclipse vs intellij is a useless discussion. AS not not mature so that leaves you with idea CE + android plugin vs eclipse + ADT; you can argue editing in idea is nicer - but ADT > aide android plugin for now
May 20 21:08:10 <g00s> i rely on lint quite a bit, for example, and that is definitely better in ADT
May 20 21:08:41 <DeviantPeer> g00s: what about performance. Cause to me it feels slower.
May 20 21:08:41 <g00s> btw, ADT isn't going away - they are just going in parallel
May 20 21:08:50 <DeviantPeer> ahhh
May 20 21:08:55 <bubbleguuum> for how long ?
May 20 21:08:56 <DeviantPeer> that's good to know.
May 20 21:09:01 <erisco> R.java just stopped generating after I cleaned my projects... happens with all projects. No XML files are in valid, no file names are invalid
May 20 21:09:03 <g00s> DeviantPeer: yeah, eclipse "feels" slower i agree
May 20 21:09:04 <DeviantPeer> bubbleguuum: that's the question...
May 20 21:09:20 <erisco> the only thing that changed is that I ran an updated on some of the eclipse android sdk stuff
May 20 21:09:25 <DeviantPeer> erisco: that happened to me after updating the adt
May 20 21:09:33 <brx_> g00s, i rely on lint too
May 20 21:09:33 <DeviantPeer> erisco: exactly
May 20 21:09:43 * erisco headdesks
May 20 21:09:46 <brx_> thats why i didnt like intellij...i think its for people who are clearly more experienced
May 20 21:09:47 <bubbleguuum> personnaly I could care less about lint
May 20 21:10:01 <DeviantPeer> erisco: and somehow it started to build R.java file
May 20 21:10:14 <DeviantPeer> erisco: but I have no idea why..
May 20 21:10:31 <erisco> DeviantPeer, you're saying eventually R.java began regenerating again?
May 20 21:10:39 <DeviantPeer> erisco: try to restart eclipse sometimes.. or something.
May 20 21:10:51 <erisco> already restarted eclipse. guess I will try a system restart
May 20 21:10:51 <bubbleguuum> I just wished Google just updated the ADT with kick-ass maven support...
May 20 21:10:56 <DeviantPeer> erisco: yes... but I have no idea why. spooky.
May 20 21:11:08 <DeviantPeer> erisco: sys restart sounds a bit overkill.
May 20 21:11:18 <DeviantPeer> bubbleguuum: that would be great.
May 20 21:11:22 <erisco> DeviantPeer, I just need the kill
May 20 21:11:39 <erisco> DeviantPeer, and not sure what options I have other than to roll back
May 20 21:11:48 <g00s> i.o 2013 would have been more impressive if AS was ready for production use
May 20 21:12:02 <g00s> i think the android team is spread too thin
May 20 21:12:22 <DeviantPeer> the way I use eclipse is to have a directory with the maven project, and another directory with symlinks to the src, res, etc of the maven project.
May 20 21:12:24 <bubbleguuum> But since everyone in the regular Java world uses maven, Google just had to use something else
May 20 21:12:32 <erisco> DeviantPeer, um, did two new updates just show up? getting rev 17 for platform-tools and "not installed" for build-tools
May 20 21:12:41 <DeviantPeer> this second directory has the structure eclipse expects to find for a android project.
May 20 21:12:48 <g00s> if you used WP7 and their tools, and watched that whole ecosystem then WP8 spring up within like 2.5 years - mS has far more momemtem that google
May 20 21:13:07 <DeviantPeer> erisco: I updated the android sdk, and then went for a eclipse adt "find updates"
May 20 21:13:42 <DeviantPeer> erisco: and then installed all the android related updates
May 20 21:14:13 <DeviantPeer> erisco: then when I did a clean of the project that I was working on, no more generated sources.
May 20 21:14:32 <storkme> is it possible to modify the actionbar icons when a particular fragment in a viewpager is highlighted?
May 20 21:14:41 <DeviantPeer> storkme: yes
May 20 21:14:52 <storkme> excellent, thanks.
May 20 21:15:11 <DeviantPeer> storkme: when you create the menu keep a reference to the items you want to change, and change them when you want.
May 20 21:15:44 <erisco> DeviantPeer, okay the new set of updates that just sprang up seemed to have fixed the issue
May 20 21:16:07 <DeviantPeer> storkme: you can also have specific menu entries for each fragment
May 20 21:16:25 <DeviantPeer> erisco: there are new updates?
May 20 21:16:29 * DeviantPeer goes and checks...
May 20 21:17:33 <DeviantPeer> eclipse feels so much snapier than intellij...
May 20 21:18:02 <DeviantPeer> swt is way lighter than swing...
May 20 21:18:42 <DeviantPeer> nope... no updates found... must have them all up to date.
May 20 21:18:56 <JesusFreke> DeviantPeer: my experience is the definitely opposite
May 20 21:19:24 <DeviantPeer> JesusFreke: let me guess.. you're on a MacOS?
May 20 21:19:31 <erisco> DeviantPeer, okay, maybe I had two rounds of updates to do then. no idea
May 20 21:19:33 <JesusFreke> I don't use apple products
May 20 21:19:37 <DeviantPeer> ehhe
May 20 21:19:40 <DeviantPeer> nite reply. :)
May 20 21:19:52 <erisco> all I know is that my application fails to deploy now... libraries don't seem to be linking
May 20 21:19:57 <JesusFreke> you might try increasing the heap size for IDEA
May 20 21:19:58 <erisco> this is a mess :(
May 20 21:20:17 <JesusFreke> it can get a bit slow if you have a larger project, with a heap that's too small
May 20 21:20:22 <JesusFreke> lots of GC, etc.
May 20 21:20:39 <DeviantPeer> JesusFreke: I did. same vm arguments as for eclipse.
May 20 21:20:43 <JesusFreke> The little memory usage widget in the bottom right can help keep a handle on that
May 20 21:21:40 <DeviantPeer> -Xms:64m -Xmx:2048m -XX:MaxPermSize=2048m
May 20 21:22:02 <dragorn> When I added bouncycastle to a project I had to zoom eclipse up to 6 gig
May 20 21:22:03 <JesusFreke> You might start out with a bigger heap
May 20 21:22:08 <JesusFreke> but that probably wouldn't help too much
May 20 21:22:10 <DeviantPeer> ahh.. and -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -Xss1024m -Xverify:none
May 20 21:22:16 <JesusFreke> 2048 should be plenty
May 20 21:22:16 <dragorn> it has some ridiculously poor management of complex libraries
May 20 21:22:32 <dragorn> JesusFreke: you'd hope; it wasn't in my situation
May 20 21:22:38 <DeviantPeer> never used bouncycastle...
May 20 21:22:48 <dragorn> DeviantPeer: it's a crypto lib; given only as an example
May 20 21:22:57 <JesusFreke> dragorn: I'm talking about idea, not eclipse :)
May 20 21:23:02 <dragorn> that when i threw that into a project eclipse promptly shit the bed
May 20 21:23:04 <dragorn> JesusFreke: fair
May 20 21:23:14 <DeviantPeer> dragorn: I have quite big dependencies within my projects and all runs well.
May 20 21:23:14 <JesusFreke> dunno about eclipse - haven't used it for java stuff in ages.
May 20 21:23:15 <dragorn> JesusFreke: i'd say don't be afraid to go big tho
May 20 21:23:25 <JesusFreke> yeah, I give mine 8gb :)
May 20 21:24:27 <DeviantPeer> dragorn: when I tried to open a not very big jee project with intellij then I went for a coffee, and some talk, and a toilet break... and eventually it allowed me to open some java files.
May 20 21:24:29 <DeviantPeer> :)
May 20 21:24:33 <DeviantPeer> that was fun.
May 20 21:24:47 <DeviantPeer> but ti was like... hum.. two or three years ago.
May 20 21:24:57 <JesusFreke> well, it does run an initial indexing pass
May 20 21:24:58 <dragorn> DeviantPeer: that sounds more like swapping
May 20 21:25:12 <JesusFreke> which can be painful for large projects (never had an issue with smaller ones though)
May 20 21:25:28 <DeviantPeer> dragorn: well.. My machine at the time had 4Gb of ram (was maxed out I think).
May 20 21:26:01 <DeviantPeer> JesusFreke: that's the, IMHO, good thing about eclipse, that indexing pass is actually a compilation.
May 20 21:26:25 <DeviantPeer> dragorn: and the project worked well with eclipse.
May 20 21:27:15 <DeviantPeer> anyway... I don't care with the IDE, although I do care with the build system.. and this gradle is not of my liking...
May 20 21:30:15 <Quacked> I want users to send me feedback through a form in the app. Is there a way to do that which doesnt require an e-mail set up on their device?
May 20 21:30:48 <newlex> sure
May 20 21:30:52 <newlex> use a library to send emails
May 20 21:30:53 <newlex> I'm sure there is
May 20 21:30:56 <StingRay_> Quacked: how many users you got ?
May 20 21:32:28 <Mavrik> ok… why does systrace.py output lack all method names when I grab input?
May 20 21:32:40 <Mavrik> I can see the blocks taking time but nothing about WHAT are they
May 20 21:32:41 <Mavrik> O.o
May 20 21:33:42 <nitind> DeviantPeer: No, it's not.  Indexing does not require compilation.
May 20 21:34:23 <DeviantPeer> nitind: I never said otherwise.
May 20 21:35:01 <nitind> DeviantPeer: I must have misread that, then.
May 20 21:35:02 <DeviantPeer> nitind: but if at the same time you parse the files, build your indexing and compile the already parsed result you'll save time in the end.
May 20 21:35:32 <DeviantPeer> nitind: or at least that was what I wanted to say.
May 20 21:38:44 <Quacked> StingRay_: I dunno yet ;)
May 20 21:38:50 <Quacked> Sorry for the late response
May 20 21:39:32 <Quacked> StingRay_: I'm guessing 5000 in a year perhaps
May 20 21:39:34 <storkme> anyone know if there are guidelines for using a twitter follow button in an app?
May 20 21:40:06 <nitind> dragorn: I didn't think the -Xmx parameter took a :, and if that memory spike is reproducable, you should report is a bug.  That's not supposed to happen.
May 20 21:40:38 <Foolean> does anyone here have any tips on how to import the framework (aosp) code into android studio?
May 20 21:40:58 <DeviantPeer> Foolean: good luck with that. :D
May 20 21:41:18 <g00s> did they say during i/o fireside chat something about looking into different hardware profiles for lower spec'd devices ?
May 20 21:41:21 <Foolean> thanks :P
May 20 21:42:29 <DeviantPeer> nitind: -Xmx doesn't take the ":", you're right. None of the memory arguments have a ":"
May 20 21:42:55 <DeviantPeer> nitind: that's what happens when you're looking at the term anc opy pasting using the brain. :D
May 20 21:43:09 <g00s> oh, it looks like more videos are up even if there isn't a camera in the session / calendar entry
May 20 21:45:11 <g00s> even canadiancow 's session is up
May 20 21:47:45 <g00s> IJ question: when i go "check for updates" in the main menu; is that checking the IDE or plugins also ?
May 20 21:48:36 <DeviantPeer> g00s: I think it's plugins
May 20 21:49:02 <erisco> has anyone been able to get voice to work with androvm?
May 20 21:49:30 <g00s> erisco: noticed last week androvm is commercial now
May 20 21:50:59 <erisco> wait, you mean Genymotion
May 20 21:51:05 <DeviantPeer> erisco: why androvm?
May 20 21:51:20 <erisco> the emulator with the sdk is absurdly slow
May 20 21:51:27 <DeviantPeer> erisco: DEPENDS
May 20 21:51:29 <DeviantPeer> ups.
May 20 21:51:31 <DeviantPeer> sorry
May 20 21:51:34 <erisco> don't wear them myself
May 20 21:51:48 <Quacked> I'm monkey running my app on a series of devices and I get an ActivityNotFoundException on Intent intent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW); intent.setData(Uri.parse(getResources().getString(R.string.link_to_app))); startActivity(intent); Any ideas?
May 20 21:52:07 <erisco> Quacked, check your manifest to make sure its listed
May 20 21:52:14 <DeviantPeer> erisco: if you use atom based images and hardware acceleration then it's fast
May 20 21:52:24 <erisco> oh, sorry, didn't see the whole line Quacked. thought it was custom
May 20 21:52:30 <Quacked> :)
May 20 21:52:58 <Quacked> the R.string.link_to_app is just market://details?id=com...
May 20 21:53:38 <DeviantPeer> Quacked: what if you pass the string direcly (without using a resource)?
May 20 21:54:42 <Quacked> I can try later.. the testing takes some time :)
May 20 21:54:43 <DeviantPeer> erisco: what host OS are you using? in Linux you have to use kvm, and in MacOS you need HAXM
May 20 21:55:24 <erisco> Windows, and because I need the Google APIs I can't use x86
May 20 21:55:49 <erisco> not that I got the haxm stuff to work anyhow
May 20 21:55:55 <DeviantPeer> erisco: ohhh... in Linux even the arm images are fast.
May 20 21:56:07 <Mavrik> yep
May 20 21:56:09 <DeviantPeer> erisco: not as fast, but still fast enough.
May 20 21:56:14 <Mavrik> GPU Accelerated ARM images are pretty fast as well
May 20 21:56:24 <Mavrik> GPU accelerated x86 images are mostly faster than devices
May 20 21:56:34 <DeviantPeer> true
May 20 21:56:52 <erisco> here it is <15fps on the emulator. boost times are ~5 minutes... switching activities is a few seconds
May 20 21:56:57 <g00s> are the google aplis being deprecated for play service ? or
May 20 21:57:15 <Mavrik> Google APIs == Play services
May 20 21:57:21 <g00s> ok
May 20 21:57:58 <DeviantPeer> erisco: here the emulator starts in under a 1min. and everything feels smooth.
May 20 21:58:01 <DeviantPeer> :)
May 20 21:58:13 <Mavrik> we probably just have faster computers
May 20 21:58:23 <DeviantPeer> :)
May 20 21:58:35 <DeviantPeer> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz
May 20 21:58:41 <DeviantPeer> not particulary fast.
May 20 21:59:20 <Quacked> "market://" links only works when Google Play app is installed on the device."
May 20 21:59:33 <Quacked> thats probably why its not working
May 20 21:59:47 <DeviantPeer> I think you can also use a url to the google play store
May 20 22:00:09 <Mavrik> yeah, URL to app on play store gets intercepted by Play Store automatically
May 20 22:00:15 <DeviantPeer> Quacked: and then the user will be asked to open with the play or with the browser
May 20 22:00:47 <Quacked> yeah, but I wanted market: so it would auto open in play
May 20 22:01:23 <DeviantPeer> Quacked: well.. letting the users decide is not wrong. And they call set it to open in the market by default.
May 20 22:01:37 <Quacked> Yeah
May 20 22:01:40 <Quacked> hmm
May 20 22:02:20 <DeviantPeer> Quacked: you get what you want (users going to the market for the app) in any case.
May 20 22:03:06 <DeviantPeer> well. after one day fighting with the new sdk, new adt, AS and maven I have to call it a day..
May 20 22:03:10 <DeviantPeer> see yah all.
May 20 22:03:10 <Quacked> Im gonna do a try catch :p
May 20 22:07:27 <g00s> is the new adt broken in some way ?
May 20 22:07:37 <g00s> oh, he left
May 20 22:07:53 <JesusFreke> yes. I guarantee there are bugs in it :)
May 20 22:07:58 <g00s> haha
May 20 22:08:11 <g00s> wait until google gets their mittens on the idea plugin :D
May 20 22:08:25 <JesusFreke> they already did..
May 20 22:08:39 <mheld> is there a replacement for slidingdrawer anywhere?
May 20 22:08:47 <g00s> the support lib has one
May 20 22:08:52 <g00s> do you want another one ?
May 20 22:09:10 <mheld> I thought it was being depreciated -- I guess it kinda makes sense for it to be in the support lib
May 20 22:09:28 <g00s> no, it actually got expanded ui design guidelines
May 20 22:09:42 <mheld> really?
May 20 22:10:17 <g00s> http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/navigation-drawer.html
May 20 22:11:02 <mheld> gah, the problem I have with the android world right now is that it's totally possible to use views for things other than what they were originally meant for
May 20 22:11:23 <mheld> I want a drawer that gets pulled up from the bottom of the screen
May 20 22:11:29 <mheld> and slidingdrawer is the perfect way to do it
May 20 22:11:39 <mheld> but if it's depreciated, there's no point in using it
May 20 22:11:58 <g00s> oh that drawer
May 20 22:12:14 <g00s> i got the impression that was a one-off for the original launcher
May 20 22:12:34 <g00s> it was pretty gimped too, since it always filled the whole area of its parent
May 20 22:18:48 <StingRay_> mheld: if you want it over the content you have, should be simple to setup with a frameLayout root parent
May 20 22:18:51 <StingRay_> I would think
May 20 22:20:41 <jasonmog> what happened to AndroidManifest.xml in Android Studio?
May 20 22:20:55 <jasonmog> why change something that works
May 20 22:21:26 <g00s> google should set up #android-dev-studio
May 20 22:21:34 <g00s> xav and tor should man it :|
May 20 22:21:43 <Quacked> I got a rare occasion of NPE on this: " Fragment frag = getActivity().getSupportFragmentManager().findFragmentByTag(makeFragmentName(R.id.pager, 2)); ((Fragment3) frag).updateAdapter(); " Any ideas?
May 20 22:22:13 <Quacked> It's run in a DialogFragment if that matters
May 20 22:22:14 <g00s> did getActivity return null :)
May 20 22:22:19 <clever> Quacked: step one, break it down
May 20 22:22:20 <g00s> bwahahaha
May 20 22:22:38 <clever> Quacked: Activity a = getActivity(); FragmentManager fm = a.getSupportFragmentManager(); .....
May 20 22:22:43 <clever> Quacked: but each on its own line
May 20 22:22:51 <mheld> StingRay_: but it's already part of the sdk! why would I rewrite it :-P
May 20 22:22:58 <clever> step 2, look at the line number in the error!
May 20 22:23:09 <mheld> StingRay_: (I just took a copy of the sliding drawer + modified some stuff)
May 20 22:23:12 <Quacked> yeah, surely would be easier to find the culprit in that way
May 20 22:23:21 <Quacked> the line number is actually on the ((Fragment3) frag).updateAdapter();
May 20 22:23:39 <clever> Quacked: step 3, Log.v(TAG,"frag: "+frag);
May 20 22:24:10 <Mavrik> or.
May 20 22:24:15 <Mavrik> put a breakpoint, execute step by step
May 20 22:24:25 <Mavrik> and you'll see what your adapter is doing that takes ages.
May 20 22:24:33 <Mavrik> oooor… enable tracing and see in dmtraceview
May 20 22:26:42 <g00s> or talk to the rubber duck
May 20 22:29:35 <Gaz`> anyone know how to display html as text? i have <strong>hello</strong> there! the strong is making it goes italics if i use from html, and without out i see "<strong>" in the text
May 20 22:31:22 <Mavrik> Gaz`, where are you showing that text in_
May 20 22:31:23 <Mavrik> ?
May 20 22:31:30 <Gaz`> textview
May 20 22:31:31 <Mavrik> and where are you taking it from?
May 20 22:31:36 <Gaz`> from json on server
May 20 22:31:53 <Mavrik> Gaz`, call Html.fromHtml() before setting it to textview
May 20 22:32:11 <Gaz`> yeh but then it shows things in <strong> as italics
May 20 22:32:28 <Gaz`> just trying this now info.setText(Html.fromHtml( listItem.description ).toString());
May 20 22:32:56 <Gaz`> hey it works :)
May 20 22:36:04 <newbieto> is it possible to play music (the user has stored in his/her device) in your application?
May 20 22:36:57 <StingRay_> how do you think a music player app works ?
May 20 22:37:58 <newbieto> yeah isn't it like iTunes in android?
May 20 22:38:15 <Quacked> this time I could only reproduce the error on 1/200 devices... it is that ((Fragment3) frag).updateAdapter();
May 20 22:38:46 <StingRay_> so frag is null ?
May 20 22:39:01 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, do you have any app ideas for me? :)
May 20 22:39:13 <StingRay_> for you ?
May 20 22:39:20 <StingRay_> I have 100's for myself
May 20 22:39:27 <StingRay_> ok thats a lie
May 20 22:39:36 <StingRay_> I have 6 apps and 3 games
May 20 22:39:44 <Quacked> StingRay_: I tried printing it but the device with the error has no logcat, hehe
May 20 22:39:46 <StingRay_> but the games are beyond my skillz atm
May 20 22:40:31 <Mavrik> OpenGL programming is fun
May 20 22:40:34 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, oh what are the apps? =D
May 20 22:40:53 <StingRay_> the 1 thats I'm doing and 5 others
May 20 22:40:57 <StingRay_> ;)
May 20 22:41:44 <Quacked> StingRay_: is it annoying working on that app (which is kinda big) when you have 5 other ideas waiting? :)
May 20 22:41:58 <StingRay_> who said the others are small
May 20 22:42:05 <Quacked> hehehe
May 20 22:42:17 <StingRay_> and no cause the stuff I'm prototyping in this app, I need for all my apps
May 20 22:42:25 <Quacked> I see
May 20 22:42:40 <StingRay_> this isn't a big app. Just my implementation and design that is quite erm....overkill
May 20 22:42:41 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 22:42:43 <Quacked> I try to only make apps that require a minimal maintenance
May 20 22:43:04 <StingRay_> biggest thing will be my theme editor
May 20 22:43:10 <g00s> :|
May 20 22:43:22 <StingRay_> shuttup
May 20 22:43:24 <StingRay_> :)
May 20 22:43:26 <g00s> :)
May 20 22:43:29 <StingRay_> I feel your glare
May 20 22:43:34 <g00s> hehe
May 20 22:43:35 * StingRay_ has jedi powers
May 20 22:43:54 <g00s> "you will not implement yet another theme editor..."
May 20 22:44:11 <g00s> org.stingray.yate
May 20 22:44:35 <StingRay_> uk.co*
May 20 22:45:59 <CocoStorm> but I don't have any app ideas :'(
May 20 22:46:02 <Quacked> but back to my previous question.. I want users to send me feedback through a form in the app. Is there a way to do that which doesnt require an e-mail set up on their device? I'm guessing 5000 installations in a year or something
May 20 22:46:04 <CocoStorm> I have so much free time
May 20 22:46:22 <QbY> what would be the most rapid way to create a "wizard style" interface?  preferences?
May 20 22:46:23 <Quacked> CocoStorm: http://androidforums.com/application-requests/
May 20 22:46:32 <Mavrik> Quacked, push it via REST request on your server_
May 20 22:46:36 <Mavrik> ?
May 20 22:46:46 <CocoStorm> nice!
May 20 22:47:59 <Quacked> I won't bother running a server for it :|
May 20 22:48:13 <StingRay_> Quacked: there are a few email libs
May 20 22:48:41 <StingRay_> lacking a server, account and pw stored on device
May 20 22:48:47 <StingRay_> not great
May 20 22:49:51 <Quacked> Can I hide my e-mail but have them send from their e-mail ?
May 20 22:50:36 <StingRay_> well then you need to ask them and have permissions dont ya
May 20 22:53:05 <Quacked> I see
May 20 22:53:47 <Quacked> I'll just have a link to open their mail app :)
May 20 22:54:05 <Gaz`> hmm why am i getting an actionbar on my splash screen, and getActionBar() gets error nosuchmethod
May 20 22:54:18 * Quacked goes to google.com to create a new gmail
May 20 22:59:21 <Mavrik> Gaz`, because you're running on 2.3?
May 20 23:00:57 <StingRay_> CocoStorm: idea
May 20 23:01:08 <StingRay_> rather that attempt an app for the sake of it
May 20 23:01:42 <StingRay_> pick a subject (something you CAN'T do) and build a test app that makes you learn said element
May 20 23:02:31 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, but I could do that whilst actually building something I intent to put on the market?
May 20 23:02:36 <CocoStorm> *intend
May 20 23:02:55 <StingRay_> have you got anything on the market yet ?
May 20 23:03:05 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, nope which is exactly why lol
May 20 23:03:17 <CocoStorm> I've done two apps now and none of them were for me :(
May 20 23:03:35 <StingRay_> then you kinda want something that you can do, and is of worth
May 20 23:04:06 <StingRay_> hard to find unique ideas ;)
May 20 23:04:31 <StingRay_> only 3 of my 6 are unique
May 20 23:04:39 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, true, but I could also try and have a feature which I don't know how to do yet say, location services and learn something new in the process?
May 20 23:04:45 <StingRay_> and only 1 is unique outside of android world
May 20 23:05:04 <StingRay_> so do a tracks app or something
May 20 23:05:14 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, what's a tracks app
May 20 23:05:21 <StingRay_> any kind of tracking app
May 20 23:05:27 <StingRay_> mileage recorder etc
May 20 23:05:35 <StingRay_> running tracking app etc
May 20 23:05:40 <StingRay_> anything
May 20 23:05:54 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, that's the thing I could do them, but it would be the same or worse than the thousand other tracking apps
May 20 23:05:55 <CocoStorm> :P
May 20 23:06:03 <StingRay_> indeed
May 20 23:06:12 <StingRay_> follow the guidelines, style and design
May 20 23:06:19 <StingRay_> and you wont be able to tell the difference
May 20 23:06:20 <StingRay_> ;)
May 20 23:06:27 <kakazza> Then you're already better than 90% of the apps
May 20 23:06:52 <StingRay_> and exactly like the 200,000 apps that have your functionality
May 20 23:07:00 <StingRay_> and no not better
May 20 23:07:17 <StingRay_> following design guides != better
May 20 23:07:18 <CocoStorm> so what am I in for
May 20 23:07:30 <StingRay_> shit design < good design
May 20 23:07:55 <g00s> CocoStorm: some of the best ideas come from problems you have in your real life that arise from things you do. of course, if you do nothing, you probably won't have many problems, or interesting ideas. :D
May 20 23:08:19 <StingRay_> ahahaa…so true
May 20 23:08:26 <StingRay_> you know why I got into android programming
May 20 23:08:37 <StingRay_> I needed a remote for my humax box
May 20 23:08:40 <Mavrik> because you like to torture yourself? :P
May 20 23:08:45 <StingRay_> that was wifi
May 20 23:08:54 <StingRay_> and worked with custom firmare I had on there
May 20 23:08:56 <StingRay_> lol
May 20 23:09:01 <StingRay_> forgot all about that
May 20 23:09:07 <StingRay_> firmware*
May 20 23:09:20 <CocoStorm> human box?
May 20 23:09:25 <CocoStorm> oh humax
May 20 23:09:28 <CocoStorm> my bad
May 20 23:09:31 <StingRay_> sat dish box
May 20 23:09:32 <StingRay_> yeah
May 20 23:09:56 <CocoStorm> well, I've had a couple of problems that would lead to terrible apps
May 20 23:10:14 <CocoStorm> one of which is the issue of not being able to find an after party after a night out
May 20 23:10:16 <CocoStorm> xD
May 20 23:10:51 <StingRay_> ooo
May 20 23:10:56 <StingRay_> u just game me an idea
May 20 23:11:02 <StingRay_> for an amazing app
May 20 23:11:08 <StingRay_> or rather your statement did
May 20 23:11:14 <CocoStorm> lol
May 20 23:11:20 * StingRay_ searches play/amrket
May 20 23:11:21 <CocoStorm> damn, well there goes my potential idea
May 20 23:11:27 <CocoStorm> :'(
May 20 23:11:40 <StingRay_> not the app you just said
May 20 23:11:44 <CocoStorm> ah right
May 20 23:11:51 <StingRay_> but that gave me an idea
May 20 23:11:57 <StingRay_> yep, adding to the list  lol
May 20 23:12:04 <StingRay_> 7 now, dammit
May 20 23:12:08 <CocoStorm> 7?
May 20 23:12:12 <CocoStorm> what was the idea?
May 20 23:12:38 <CocoStorm> oh right, thuoght you meant you found 7 similar apps in the market
May 20 23:13:29 <StingRay_> no, just finished adding it to the ideas bucket I have
May 20 23:13:37 <StingRay_> actually there are loads here
May 20 23:13:44 <StingRay_> not looked in a while
May 20 23:14:00 * CocoStorm feels envious 
May 20 23:14:05 <StingRay_> oh and a few that I really should ditch
May 20 23:14:23 <funkbox> anyone know of an online design tool like balsamiq that has android tablet presets ?
May 20 23:14:48 <StingRay_> pencil project
May 20 23:14:54 <StingRay_> but I just end up using PS
May 20 23:15:24 <StingRay_> or Illustrator
May 20 23:15:45 <StingRay_> cause there is always something, that you want, that is harder to do in these simple layout apps
May 20 23:15:55 <StingRay_> or maybe thats just me
May 20 23:25:38 <StingRay_> is instanceof quite a quick thing ?
May 20 23:26:02 <StingRay_> or rather prefered to lets say storing a type reference
May 20 23:26:23 <StingRay_> if processing 100's of views lets say
May 20 23:31:44 <g00s> instanceof is quick, but usually points to a design smell
May 20 23:32:29 <StingRay_> well atm I store a type int
May 20 23:32:37 <StingRay_> just wondering if I need to
May 20 23:33:12 <wabz> there was an example on the android docs somewhere where they tried to cast to an interface
May 20 23:33:21 <wabz> in a try catch block
May 20 23:33:26 <wabz> to see if it was of the appropriate type
May 20 23:33:46 <wabz> I think that's probably worse than instanceof :p
May 20 23:34:11 <StingRay_> well this is just view types
May 20 23:34:27 <wabz> what is this for?
May 20 23:34:34 <wabz> is this a listview or something?
May 20 23:35:24 <wabz> if so you should just be using getviewtypecount etc
May 20 23:35:35 <StingRay_> na
May 20 23:35:44 <StingRay_> not a single item in a list
May 20 23:35:54 <StingRay_> it's ANY view ANYWHERE
May 20 23:36:05 <StingRay_> I have an attrib list
May 20 23:36:13 <StingRay_> I store types of views
May 20 23:36:21 <StingRay_> just wanted to know if I needed to
May 20 23:36:30 <StingRay_> as instanceof seems, well, ok
May 20 23:41:19 <StingRay_> ok i need some1 to help un-invent candy crush
May 20 23:41:38 <StingRay_> that thing takes too much of my time….and I hate both it and the model it uses
May 20 23:52:57 <g00s> i don't see idea CE VCS -> Local History -> Show Local History as being very useful; i think this was part of the whole "you never press ctrl-s" thing
May 20 23:53:16 <g00s> i still use git to show me my changes broken down into /conceptual/ chunks
May 20 23:53:32 <g00s> this is idea history thing is just a stream of BS
May 20 23:53:40 <g00s> what is a change - i started typing for a few seconds ?
May 20 23:54:45 <g00s> i much prefer the stupid behavior of eclipse , saving with ctrl+s, checking in with git when there is a semantic chunk worth saving, and using git diff to do that
May 20 23:55:13 <g00s> of course, IJ doesn't preclude use of any vcs - just saying, what its trying to show seems useless and redundant
May 20 23:55:37 <Mavrik> except that eclipse has identical behaviour :P
May 20 23:55:51 <g00s> if the tool let me say "now i am working on this" and i can go back in history to see that concept specifically
May 20 23:56:07 <g00s> Mavrik: wat
May 20 23:56:20 <Mavrik> local history.
May 20 23:56:25 <Mavrik> Eclipse has it, behaves the same way.
May 20 23:56:39 <g00s> well anyhow, eclipse lets me manually save with ctrl+s i like that
May 20 23:57:28 <ron_frown> g00s you still hating on intellij
May 20 23:57:43 <g00s> ron_frown: no, i like it
May 20 23:58:16 <ron_frown> meh
May 20 23:58:32 <ron_frown> its the same thing just little things here and there that are better, and some that are worse
May 20 23:58:42 <ron_frown> def a learning curve
May 20 23:59:13 <Gaz`> i was just using ms visual studio, i can barely use it after eclipse, and i was slagging eclipse so much
May 20 23:59:23 <ron_frown> haha
May 20 23:59:26 <Gaz`> ctrl click to go to a declaration is something i use constantly
May 20 23:59:36 <ron_frown> god thats the reason why eclipse is such torturous to me
May 20 23:59:40 <Gaz`> and "call hierarchy"
May 20 23:59:43 <ron_frown> I came from vs.net which is a godsend
May 20 23:59:48 <Gaz`> hehe
May 20 23:59:51 <Gaz`> i came from netbeans
May 21 00:00:16 <ron_frown> netbeans I'm liking more and more
May 21 00:00:23 <ron_frown> imo they have the second best c++ ide
May 21 00:00:30 <Gaz`> yeh
May 21 00:00:36 <Gaz`> its great for making swing guis
May 21 00:00:41 <Gaz`> amazingly good for that
May 21 00:00:57 <Gaz`> and was the only good solution for j2me
May 21 00:03:07 <Gaz`> also got svn integrated into eclipse which is kinda nice i guess
May 21 00:03:15 <Gaz`> but i guess they all do it
May 21 00:08:39 <beastmanrage> hello, is it possible to tap into the api that handles the offline voice typing?
May 21 00:08:54 <beastmanrage> i have the code from https://code.google.com/p/google-voice-typing-integration/issues/detail?id=5&thanks=5&ts=1369094874
May 21 00:09:06 <beastmanrage> thats also the question i have :)
May 21 00:28:38 <g00s> ron_frown: is the idea c++ ide written in java ?
May 21 00:29:19 <ron_frown> yes
May 21 00:29:20 <ron_frown> haha
May 21 00:29:42 <ron_frown> well there isnt reallly a c++ idea
May 21 00:29:55 <ron_frown> just idea with c++ support plugin
May 21 00:30:09 <Younos> c++ does need to drop the #include paradigm at some point and switch to modules
May 21 00:30:18 <g00s> ah, i got the impression they were making a whole separate ide
May 21 00:30:20 <ron_frown> jsus chist
May 21 00:30:30 <ron_frown> g00s notes on that?
May 21 00:30:34 <ron_frown> they may be
May 21 00:30:40 <ron_frown> and if so I'm excited
May 21 00:30:44 <g00s> Younos: apple actually put forth a proposal a few months ago
May 21 00:30:56 <ron_frown> seriously... I hate that this tornado shit happened
May 21 00:31:01 <ron_frown> screw tv for a few days
May 21 00:31:56 <Younos> g00s: nice. i hope it will make it. it should help the development of great ide tools
May 21 00:32:10 <Younos> i still use emacs for my c++ stuff
May 21 00:32:22 <ron_frown> g00s proposal for what
May 21 00:32:37 <ron_frown> cause xcode is shit
May 21 00:33:40 <ron_frown> oh nice
May 21 00:33:43 <ron_frown> you are right
May 21 00:34:28 <Younos> i recovered a few of my old msx floppies last week
May 21 00:34:53 <Younos> it had Hisoft C, one of those very early primitive compilers
May 21 00:35:14 <ron_frown> http://www.jetbrains.com/objc/features/cpp.html
May 21 00:35:15 <Younos> it cant link, so #include <stdio.h> will just pull in all the function bodies :P
May 21 00:35:21 <ron_frown> I really hope that wasnt what you were talking about
May 21 00:35:30 <Younos> no floats, no structs
May 21 00:35:31 <ron_frown> looks like its gonna be housed under appcode
May 21 00:35:57 <g00s> ron_frown: did you find the apple header proposal ?
May 21 00:36:37 <ron_frown> bi
May 21 00:36:46 <ron_frown> no
May 21 00:36:58 <clever> is there any way to figure out which app is currently using the camera?
May 21 00:38:35 <g00s> NSA_App
May 21 00:40:30 <clever> g00s: was that to me?
May 21 00:40:36 <g00s> :)
May 21 00:41:05 <g00s> ron_frown: its monday, where is your POC :D
May 21 00:41:21 <mikedg> no sourceduck duck
May 21 00:41:34 <ron_frown> no esta aqui
May 21 00:41:41 <ron_frown> I gota lot done, but no poc
May 21 00:41:49 <ron_frown> blew the tire out on the bac of the bike
May 21 00:41:55 <ron_frown> so I was just relaxing mostly
May 21 00:42:13 <ron_frown> soon
May 21 00:42:46 <ron_frown> there are some things I realized could be problematic I havent worked through yet
May 21 00:50:05 <jmgrosen> can anyone provide a fix to this logcat error? `Unable to open log device '/dev/log/main': No such file or directory`
May 21 00:50:11 <jmgrosen> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4867971/dev-log-main-not-found didn't fix it
May 21 00:50:17 <jmgrosen> (none of the answers did)
May 21 00:50:58 <jmgrosen> i'm on a nexus 4 with stock 4.2.2
May 21 00:53:41 <mcr> ls -ld /dev /dev/log /dev/log/main
May 21 00:54:00 <mcr> I'll assume your phone isn't rooted, and you aren't root?
May 21 00:54:25 <jmgrosen> nope, not rooted
May 21 00:54:31 <jmgrosen> output of that command:
May 21 00:54:32 <jmgrosen> drwxr-xr-x root     root              2013-05-20 17:13 dev
May 21 00:54:36 <jmgrosen> deep, that didn't work
May 21 00:54:58 <jmgrosen> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dc2ae3ede22788a3aa31
May 21 00:55:09 <mcr> if you aren't root, then how can you have done any of the fixes/answers from that thread?
May 21 00:55:17 <legov> I'm looking for resources on H.264 media playback.  I'm not turning up clear results in Google searches.  Can anyone guide me in the right direction?
May 21 00:55:25 <jmgrosen> mcr: i tried the ones that didn't require root
May 21 00:55:36 <jmgrosen> sorry for the lack of clarity there
May 21 00:56:03 <legov> I'm looking for a library that will me to play render h264 frames on the screen.
May 21 00:56:14 <jmgrosen> wait, none of those worked without root
May 21 00:56:17 <mcr> jmgrosen, all three answers require root.
May 21 00:56:22 <jmgrosen> yeah, sorry :P
May 21 00:56:36 <jmgrosen> there was one with a #*#* type number to dial, but that didn't bring up anything
May 21 00:56:50 <jmgrosen> first answer here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6941710/unable-to-open-log-device-dev-log-main-no-such-file-or-directory?lq=1
May 21 00:58:23 <jmgrosen> i'm really stumped, and it's hard to develop without logcat :P
May 21 00:58:32 <mcr> you need a dev phone.
May 21 00:58:37 <g00s> jmgrosen: all you need is a rubber duck
May 21 00:58:41 <g00s> to talk to
May 21 00:59:10 <jmgrosen> g00s: i'll make sure to get one… :P
May 21 00:59:10 <StingRay_> legov: does android not have native support for that ?
May 21 00:59:17 <jmgrosen> mcr: dev phone?
May 21 00:59:51 <mcr> an unlocked, rooted phone.
May 21 01:00:16 <jmgrosen> just to get logcat?
May 21 01:00:17 <jmgrosen> that seems pretty ridiculous
May 21 01:00:21 <jmgrosen> it's never been that way before
May 21 01:00:21 <legov> StingRay_: I'm not certain.  I'm looking at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaPlayer.html
May 21 01:00:27 <legov> As well as http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/video-playback-app-on-android-whitepaper
May 21 01:00:48 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html  how about
May 21 01:00:49 <mcr> jmgrosen, sounds like Samsung doesn't want people to write apps for their phone.  I'd take it back, or phone them.
May 21 01:00:51 <shmooz> legov: look into ffmpeg for android
May 21 01:01:04 <jmgrosen> mcr: …I have a nexus 4
May 21 01:01:42 <legov> I have an embedded linux device that's capturing video and encoding it to H.264.  I wrote a very simple .NET client (boo) to play back listen over TCP for the stream of h264 frames and it plays them back.  This was for a simple demo.  I'm interested in writing an android application to render the video as well.
May 21 01:02:07 <legov> Ultimately I want it send over TCP to the android device but first I want to just get raw h264 video playing on the phone.
May 21 01:02:29 <mcr> jmgrosen, that thread was about Samsung. I was thinking you had the Samsung Nexus whatever-number-it-was.
May 21 01:02:51 <jmgrosen> mcr: sorry, i didn't mean to imply that
May 21 01:02:52 <mcr> so, if you have a nexus 4, why isn't it rooted?
May 21 01:03:28 <jmgrosen> well, before now, i haven't had much reason
May 21 01:03:47 <shmooz> legov: Try VideoView but if it doesn't work,  I believe ffmpeg is the most powerful video container, it supports all formats but its not easy, you gotta tinker with the NDK
May 21 01:04:41 <legov> Thank you shmooz. I'm willing to dive into ffmpeg but was hoping to get something quicker with the native android api.
May 21 01:05:02 <legov> [Eventually] I want RTSP streaming from this embedded device.
May 21 01:05:12 <legov> But that's a few weeks [months?] down the road.
May 21 01:05:38 <shmooz> VideoView/MediaPlayer plays mp4 and some more locally, and can stream 3gp rtsp:// stuff, but its very limited
May 21 01:05:57 <jmgrosen> so is root really the only option?
May 21 01:06:25 <g00s> i thought most google android devs didn't root their phones
May 21 01:06:31 <mcr> no. You could buy another phone that runs CM.  You could get an iPhone.
May 21 01:06:32 <g00s> something seems wrong
May 21 01:06:48 <mcr> Android devs do not *need* to root their phones, because they come, from Google, already rooted.
May 21 01:07:24 <g00s> unlocked or rooted ?
May 21 01:07:29 <jmgrosen> $ adb shell
May 21 01:07:34 <jmgrosen> shell@android:/ $ su
May 21 01:07:50 <legov> shmooz: looks like shmooz supports h264 decoding!  i'm gonna give thsi a shot.
May 21 01:08:18 <jmgrosen>  /system/bin/sh: su: not found
May 21 01:08:22 <jmgrosen> not rooted :/
May 21 01:08:52 <jmgrosen> bought straight from google play
May 21 01:09:51 <jmgrosen> if i had root, how would i fix this problem?
May 21 01:10:06 <mcr> "rooted" means that the phone's bootloader will let you install any rom you want.  so you can install /bin/su if you want.
May 21 01:10:23 <jmgrosen> …no, that's an unlocked bootloader
May 21 01:10:30 <jmgrosen> different things
May 21 01:19:22 <drudge> can't seem to get butterknife working with android studio JakeWharton
May 21 01:19:34 <JakeWharton> did you enabled annotation processing?
May 21 01:19:54 <drudge> yes, i'm getting java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: butterknife.Views
May 21 01:20:11 <JakeWharton> then you aren't including the jar in your apk
May 21 01:22:00 <drudge> JakeWharton: like http://penr.ee/P5sb ?
May 21 01:22:29 <JakeWharton> seems right to me
May 21 01:22:40 <JakeWharton> that's how it works in normal IDEA
May 21 01:23:04 <drudge> Yeah I've done it before with IDEA, but for some reason it isn't working properly for me in studio
May 21 01:23:10 <drudge> not sure what else to check
May 21 01:26:28 <JesusFreke> drudge: it looks like you have 2 android configurations? the Android and Android-Gradle?
May 21 01:26:41 <JesusFreke> maybe?
May 21 01:26:50 <drudge> JesusFreke: this is a brand new project created from studio
May 21 01:27:18 <drudge> it created them both automatically
May 21 01:29:22 <JesusFreke> are you getting the error when building in IDEA? or with gradle from the command line?
May 21 01:30:56 <drudge> JesusFreke: the build works fine, i'm getting the error when running in the emulator
May 21 01:32:03 <drudge> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5616962
May 21 01:33:57 <g00s> JesusFreke: does jetbrains update plugins for IJ independent of the whole ide ?
May 21 01:34:20 <g00s> when i check for updates, is that the ide and a new set of bundled plugins, or does it fetch new plugins and store them outside the bundle
May 21 01:34:31 <JesusFreke> g00s: not positive. I don't recall seeing anything about it updating plugins
May 21 01:34:33 <g00s> oh yeah you don't use os x :P
May 21 01:34:54 <JesusFreke> what does that have to do with anything?
May 21 01:35:08 <drudge> ok well this is frustrating
May 21 01:35:13 <g00s> app bundle is os x
May 21 01:37:51 <JakeWharton> plugins update independently, of course
May 21 01:39:19 <williamturton> Hey all- I fucked up the install on the ADT. What's the best way to wipe it completley so the next install has no problems?
May 21 01:40:15 <funkbox> best way or a way ?
May 21 01:40:22 <funkbox> you can just delete wherever it is and fix your path
May 21 01:40:27 <funkbox> you can also buy a new computer
May 21 01:40:31 <williamturton> lol
May 21 01:41:43 <williamturton> I try deleting it and get this-http://puu.sh/2XNsn.jpg Cant find where it is running for the life of me
May 21 01:42:43 <williamturton> Any ideas?
May 21 01:43:07 <JesusFreke> drudge: oh, did you add a new library for it?
May 21 01:44:39 <StingRay_> williamturton: stop adb
May 21 01:45:16 <williamturton> StingRay_, Thanks Mate!
May 21 01:46:01 <newlex> Is there any way to trigger a BroadcastReceiver to get key presses outside the app?
May 21 01:46:09 <StingRay_> fyi, i forget now, not used windows in a while, but you can open a pannel that shows all processes and files owned/open by them
May 21 01:46:13 <newlex> from a physical hardware keyboard
May 21 01:46:21 <g00s> williamturton: are you getting the whole chebang eclipse uber install with adt ?
May 21 01:46:33 <g00s> is that the adt bundle ?
May 21 01:47:01 <williamturton> Yep
May 21 01:47:11 <g00s> do you prefer eclipse 3.8 or 4.2 ?
May 21 01:47:17 <williamturton> Errrrr
May 21 01:47:24 <williamturton> I am new to programming
May 21 01:47:26 <JesusFreke> drudge: nm. I think you have to manually add a dependency in the build.gradle file
May 21 01:47:30 <williamturton> So I really don't have one
May 21 01:48:33 <g00s> ok, i'll give you 3.8 for now :) first, remove your install. if there are file locks or some stupid crap, just reboot or something
May 21 01:48:34 <drudge> JesusFreke: there was  compile files('libs/android-support-v4.jar') so i changed it to  compile files('libs/android-support-v4.jar', 'libs/butterknife-1.3.2.jar') and it created the library/dep but still did not work. compiles fine, throws at runtime
May 21 01:48:58 <williamturton> g00s Done
May 21 01:49:22 <g00s> williamturton: then delete your existing install, including workspace - as long as you don't have code in your workspace
May 21 01:49:48 <g00s> then download "platform runtime binary" http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.8.2-201301310800/
May 21 01:50:00 <JesusFreke> drudge: try a clean build. either rebuild from the menu, or even do a ./gradlew clean from the command line
May 21 01:50:17 <g00s> williamturton: follow directions here http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/installing-adt.html
May 21 01:51:11 <g00s> the ADT will bring in the java environment. thats all.
May 21 01:51:44 <williamturton> Thanks!
May 21 01:52:39 <StingRay_> g00s: heres a question for ya
May 21 01:52:43 <JesusFreke> drudge: yeah, I was just playing with it a bit. After adding the dependency in the gradle file, I had to a ./gradlew clean from the command line, and then it finally compiled the library in to the apk on the next build in IDEA
May 21 01:52:45 <StingRay_> williamturton: is new user
May 21 01:52:57 <StingRay_> better to get him on AS/IntelliJ ? or eclipse
May 21 01:52:59 <williamturton> StingRay_, Yep
May 21 01:53:05 <StingRay_> @g)
May 21 01:53:09 <StingRay_> @g00s
May 21 01:53:24 <g00s> StingRay_: i think eclipse, since there are lots of instructions
May 21 01:53:33 <g00s> i haven't seen shit for AS
May 21 01:54:09 <drudge> JesusFreke: that did it! thanks man. I kept trying to rebuild from the menu
May 21 01:54:11 <StingRay_> hmm true
May 21 01:54:56 <JesusFreke> drudge: yeah, you would think that would work. heh
May 21 01:56:59 <g00s> and i think the adt still does better hand holding for noobs
May 21 01:56:59 <g00s> i'm enjoying intellij tho :)
May 21 01:57:21 <g00s> i dont think its the right time to get noobs started on early access preview; deciding between eclipse / ide ce + plugin is another story i guess
May 21 01:57:23 <funkbox> this reply to reviewers feature in the play store is really nice, but what i'm really missing is the punch reviewer in face feature
May 21 01:58:51 <ehnvis> quit
May 21 02:00:34 <canadiancow> g00s, yes, i think they'rea ll up
May 21 02:00:38 <canadiancow> or at least the android ones are
May 21 02:01:38 <g00s> i do my xmls manually, i think noobs should too - so i don't really recommend the ADT 'forms' for stuff like manifest
May 21 02:01:38 <g00s> i think they should just nuke all that shit, actually
May 21 02:01:38 <g00s> but the lint integration is still better imho
May 21 02:01:38 <g00s> which can be useful for noobs
May 21 02:03:58 <g00s> sry, got disconnected. dunno if/what i wrote went through
May 21 02:04:53 <JesusFreke> "(07:01:38 PM) g00s: which can be useful for noobs"
May 21 02:04:56 <JesusFreke> was the last thing I saw
May 21 02:05:24 <g00s> ok:
May 21 02:05:29 <g00s> so what i have been doing these past few days is develop in idea CE, and then before commit, shutdown and run eclipse / adt / lint … seems to produce a slightly different list of lint warnings, although maybe my configs for that are different
May 21 02:05:39 <g00s> or it could be the way idea runs lint, dunno
May 21 02:05:43 <g00s> oem
May 21 02:05:44 <g00s> :D
May 21 02:06:03 <g00s> err, EOM
May 21 02:13:13 <canadiancow> hmm the drawerlayout seems to have some issues with ABS
May 21 02:13:53 <KaosMcRage> anyone here used GCM in an app?
May 21 02:18:18 <KaosMcRage> how do you exclude the registration ID when backing up a GCM app? seems to back it up on its own (I don't store it in my SharedPreferences, it creates its own GCM-specific file in shared_prefs)
May 21 02:23:27 <newlex> Is it possible to dynamically play a sound from the file system?
May 21 02:23:36 <Smubeht> Hi, so I made an arraylist of arraylists as a public variable, but when i add to it it ends up only preserving the final piece, but preserving it multiple times. public static ArrayList<ArrayList<HashMap<String, String>>> allComments = new ArrayList<ArrayList<HashMap<String, String>>>();
May 21 02:24:20 <Smubeht> my call to it is allComments.get(0).get(0).get(TAG_QUERY).toString() or allComments.get(1).get(0).get(TAG_QUERY).toString() but even though it appears it would have different results, it ends up having the same content.
May 21 02:31:51 <erdos> morning!
May 21 02:38:59 <epop> i have a grid view full of image views, and I'm trying to change the resource of the image view on click, which seems to be working correctly for every item except the first one, but they are all generated exactly the same
May 21 02:39:30 <epop> anyone know what i should look into?
May 21 02:40:08 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, have you played around with the drawer and abs?
May 21 02:46:54 <jasta> g00s: staging AndroidSQLiteServer to github now...
May 21 02:47:14 <g00s> jasta: awesome …
May 21 02:48:22 <g00s> link when ready :)
May 21 02:56:18 <g00s> idea CE context menus are effing strange; right click on a png has 'reformat code' :D thats a cool trick :D
May 21 02:58:43 <hwrd|work> Does anyone know of an end-to-end sample for the MediaExtractor and MediaCoec API's for audio?
May 21 02:58:44 <hwrd|work> *mediacodec
May 21 02:58:59 <jasta> g00s: https://github.com/jasta/android-sqlite-server/
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