**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 24 02:59:58 2013
May 24 03:13:15 <jjulien> Anyone have a recommendation on a good ORM to use in Android?
May 24 03:21:03 <pfn> why would proguard need gradle support
May 24 03:21:29 <pfn> googling for android orms is probably better than asking here
May 24 03:39:03 <Gaz`> hmm im adding a view but it wont show, tried invalidate, postinvalidate etc
May 24 03:49:57 <bankai_> Gaz`: pastebin us some code
May 24 03:50:54 <Afzal> Trying to reverse the QuickReturn behaviour in Google Now. This is taking too long :/
May 24 03:51:33 <Afzal> is there a variable that changes linearly with listView scrolling?
May 24 03:51:50 <Afzal> preferably something in pixels
May 24 04:01:26 <StingRay_>  QuickReturn behaviour  ?
May 24 04:03:53 <StingRay_> awwww god sooooo close with this gradle multi project android studio balls
May 24 04:04:16 <StingRay_> just one more package to sort that isnt building
May 24 04:06:24 <newlex> Is there a way to do a delay on an action without pausing the main thread?
May 24 04:06:37 <newlex> but while having a GUI visible thing
May 24 04:06:45 <newlex> a toast..
May 24 04:06:59 <newlex> If I do Thread.sleep(2000); for example, the last toast is paused until the sleep is over
May 24 04:07:14 <newlex> same inside a Runnable inside handler.post
May 24 04:07:14 <newlex> hmm
May 24 04:07:24 <newlex> postAtTime.....
May 24 04:07:25 <StingRay_> why not just change the time the toast is displayed ?
May 24 04:07:26 <newlex> lmao
May 24 04:07:39 <StingRay_> not sure what your actually wanting
May 24 04:07:42 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 04:08:18 <StingRay_> but the last param in makeText() is millis
May 24 04:08:21 <newlex> ?
May 24 04:08:35 <newlex> it's int duration
May 24 04:08:41 <newlex> and it's only LENGTH_LONG or LENGTH_SHORT
May 24 04:08:43 <newlex> which is 2 seconds or 3.5
May 24 04:09:56 <LuxuryMode> it could be whatever you want
May 24 04:10:02 <newlex> no
May 24 04:10:03 <newlex> heh
May 24 04:10:08 <newlex> are you sure about that?
May 24 04:10:13 <StingRay_> yes
May 24 04:10:16 <newlex> are you saying they finally fixed this
May 24 04:10:18 <newlex> lmao
May 24 04:10:25 <StingRay_> since version 1 yes
May 24 04:10:27 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 04:11:08 <StingRay_> I hate long toasts thought
May 24 04:11:11 <StingRay_> though*
May 24 04:11:20 <StingRay_> they are annoying as it is
May 24 04:11:23 <newlex> yeah
May 24 04:11:27 <newlex> well I will test it
May 24 04:12:12 <newlex> I checked via clock, 1000 is still taking 2 seconds
May 24 04:13:04 <StingRay_> huh
May 24 04:13:16 <StingRay_> could have swore that was not the case
May 24 04:13:27 <newlex> I will try something weird like 5
May 24 04:13:46 <newlex> I have found like a dozen threads about tricks to make it not LENGTH_SHORT or LENGTH_LONG
May 24 04:14:08 <newlex> wish I wasn't kidding
May 24 04:14:38 <StingRay_> I think toast is a bit dated for anything but throwaway messages
May 24 04:14:50 <newlex> it is not such a great class no
May 24 04:14:59 <StingRay_> ie. if you wanting it on-screen a while, it;s not throw away
May 24 04:15:09 <StingRay_> so use a dialog or something
May 24 04:15:12 <StingRay_> much better
May 24 04:15:17 <newlex> a dialog that can be seen anywhere in any app?
May 24 04:15:39 <StingRay_> ok an activity themed dialog
May 24 04:15:45 <StingRay_> then yes
May 24 04:15:57 <newlex> really
May 24 04:15:58 <newlex> ah well
May 24 04:16:09 <newlex> I am not reinventing this whole app, cause everything told me it was not possible
May 24 04:16:12 <newlex> anyway
May 24 04:16:14 <newlex> its not a big deal
May 24 04:16:21 <newlex> this is exactly what they asked for lmao
May 24 04:17:09 <Speedstick> newlex give them more than they asked for!
May 24 04:17:13 <Speedstick> push the envelop
May 24 04:17:25 <newlex> Speedstick - dude I have and then some
May 24 04:17:28 <Speedstick> or at the very least talk to them about it, they may pay for extra features
May 24 04:17:49 <newlex> It was a flat rate, with this many hours I'm probably down to like half my normal rate
May 24 04:18:28 <newlex> they actually changed it on me like 3 times
May 24 04:18:39 <newlex> and I let them and went with it, because they are a good client anyway
May 24 04:18:49 <newlex> but reinventing that part? that's gonna be a whole new job
May 24 04:24:06 <newlex> and just so you guys know regarding toasts
May 24 04:24:27 <newlex> I had to create a special handler class that repeatedly showed every 1750 ms (2000 ms is how long it'd show for)
May 24 04:24:44 <newlex> if I wanted more than 3.5 (LONG is 3.5, short is 2)
May 24 04:34:04 <StingRay_> hmmm  Call requires API level 11 (current min is 11)
May 24 04:34:15 <StingRay_> nice little error
May 24 04:35:34 <tripknotix> ok guys i just did this for an interview to get a job,  a 10 hour test to create a black jack game as much as i can get done in that time, what do you guys think, it also works on Android =) PM for the APK it looks really good on it. http://realdefinition.net/blackjack/
May 24 04:57:50 <Jc_Dev> if i'm storing a date in SQLite as an integer, and i have it bound to a ListFragment where i define the row view to show the date using a TextView, is there a way i can format the TextView so it shows the integer as a date string instead of a number?
May 24 04:59:41 <HorizonXP> hey guys, is there some kind of framework (community-driven?) that allows me to define data models and maintain consistent views of that data in my UI?
May 24 05:00:13 <HorizonXP> as an example, say a user +1's an image, when they back out to the main stream, I want that +1 to be reflected in the +1s count
May 24 05:00:25 <HorizonXP> meanwhile, in the background, that +1 is being sent back up to the server
May 24 05:00:56 <Jc_Dev> HorizonXP: have you considered using ContentProviders combined with Loaders? I think that will give you the mechanism you're wanting.
May 24 05:01:57 <Jc_Dev> for example, in the content provider, you call "getContext().getContentResolver().notifyChange(uri, null);" to broadcast the change
May 24 05:03:03 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: you can have a listener attached or maybe extend the textView so that any imput is converted to what you want
May 24 05:03:26 <Afzal> StingRay_, Quick Return is like how the google search bar pops up when you're scrolling up
May 24 05:03:41 <Afzal> in google search app
May 24 05:03:45 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: hmm ok - just came across adapter.setViewBinder(), i wonder if that's a cleaner way to do it...
May 24 05:04:12 <HorizonXP> Jc_Dev: so I would implement my own ContentProvider, and then my app would implement a ContentProviderClient?
May 24 05:07:21 <Jc_Dev> HorizonXP: you would implement the CP as the master of the data layer, and then use a loader (http://developer.android.com/guide/components/loaders.html) to access the data, for example, if your data is persisted in SQLite, you would use CursorLoader, which gives you your data in a cursor, and then you implement LoaderCallbacks<Cursor> in your activity
May 24 05:08:16 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: what involved in creating a contentProvider for a local sqlite source ?
May 24 05:09:36 <Jc_Dev> it's pretty straight forward actually, i followed the example in the NotePad sample app: com.example.android.notepad.NotePadProvider
May 24 05:09:51 <HorizonXP> Jc_Dev: sounds like a reasonable path to investigate.
May 24 05:10:02 <HorizonXP> Jc_Dev: i'll look at it more, thanks for pointing me towards this
May 24 05:10:09 <Jc_Dev> np, good luck!
May 24 05:25:15 <_genuser_> actionbar.... can pager changes update the action bar? worth doing in code? or is there a better way to have state based menus?
May 24 05:25:46 <Speedstick> I find myself annoyed with androids way of handling apps
May 24 05:25:47 <t4nk813> Quick question if I write bytes to an outputstream does ram get released at some point or will the outputstream continue to consume more ram?
May 24 05:25:48 <JakeWharton> if you use fragments that already happens, yes
May 24 05:25:54 <JakeWharton> _genuser_: ^^^
May 24 05:26:08 <Speedstick> wish when I closed them they actually closed...not auto minimize
May 24 05:26:52 <Jc_Dev> Speedstick: that behavior is pretty common among all mobile OS's
May 24 05:27:30 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: using fragmentpageradapter for generating fragments that are tab. So when the tab swipes, I need to override some method to update actionbar?
May 24 05:30:02 <t4nk813> through my testing the ram is being released but i just want to make sure that writing bytes to the outputstream for long periods of time wont create a memory leak.
May 24 05:31:19 <JakeWharton> _genuser_: what do you want to update?
May 24 05:31:28 <JakeWharton> you can provide action items by overriding onCreateOptionsItem
May 24 05:31:48 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: when swiping tabs, the actionbar menu buttons should change based on the tab.
May 24 05:31:58 <JakeWharton> the action items?
May 24 05:32:08 <JakeWharton> see above
May 24 05:32:21 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: onCreateOptionsItem ... sounds like the thing to google. thx. :)
May 24 05:32:39 <JakeWharton> you also have to call setHasOptionsMenu(true) in onActivityCreated()
May 24 05:32:44 <JakeWharton> but yeah, there's examples
May 24 05:34:02 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: I see the template based code eclipse created uses onCreateOptionsMenu which is where it infaltes the menu. :) And newly added stuff is working. :) so I just need to read up it more, I think.
May 24 05:34:43 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: I suppose I could check the open tab and inflate the correct menu. I manually show/hide actions items.
May 24 05:35:04 <_genuser_> I think inflating appropriate menu is better.
May 24 05:35:21 <t4nk813> ok im just gona assume that writing bytes to an outputstream will get garbage collected at some point and i dont have to worry about it unless somone has some insite
May 24 05:40:53 <StingRay_> ok spent a day on this gradle AS balls
May 24 05:40:59 <StingRay_> not happy
May 24 05:41:30 <StingRay_> a day of pissing around in the wind with no sale or a paddle on a creek
May 24 05:44:23 <t4nk813> is there max amount of ram that a outputstream will use before the ram is released again through testing it seems to be less than 1MB
May 24 05:46:27 <_genuser_> t4nk813: don't konw about android, but Java and other languages with garbage collection want you out of garbage collection. So may be it's not a published or even a determined number.
May 24 05:46:49 <JakeWharton> StingRay_: sail?
May 24 05:47:05 <_genuser_> please keep in mind that's a comment on how most garbage collection implementations are.
May 24 05:47:16 <StingRay_> seemed appropriate when I said pissing in the "wind"
May 24 05:47:19 <JakeWharton> t4nk813: you can't generalize OutputStream
May 24 05:47:23 <JakeWharton> it's an interface
May 24 05:47:24 <StingRay_> and then thought of creek
May 24 05:48:07 <JakeWharton> t4nk813: I could put a Thread.sleep(TimeUnit.MINUTE.toMillis(60)); in the write(byte) method
May 24 05:48:13 <t4nk813> thanks genuser through testing it does seem like the ram is being released even though i continuously writing bytes to the outputstream
May 24 05:49:33 <pfn> huh, why would output stream retain memory when writing to one
May 24 05:49:52 <pfn> unless you're using bytearrayoutputstream
May 24 05:50:30 <pfn> at most it will use buffer size, if you're using a buffered stream
May 24 05:52:15 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: to answer my own question from earlier, I went with the following technique to convert the integer to a date by overriding the binding process for that column of data: SimpleCursorAdapter.setViewBinder
May 24 05:58:03 <t4nk813> weird my app got garbage collected then then my service restarted wich made the service lose all variables because i use a get shared prefs method in my activity to set the values in my service I had to restart the activity to load the service values
May 24 05:58:40 <pfn> your app got killed not garbage collected
May 24 05:59:06 <t4nk813> if it got killed why did the service restart on its own ?
May 24 05:59:28 <evancharlton> what do you return from onStartCommand?
May 24 05:59:32 <t4nk813> it should have killed the app not the service
May 24 05:59:33 <pfn> because start sticky does that
May 24 06:00:02 <pfn> and services go away if they're not running
May 24 06:00:47 <pfn> learn how the life cycles work better
May 24 06:01:13 <StingRay_> holy fk sht
May 24 06:01:22 <StingRay_> 07:01:04 Compilation completed successfully in 21 sec
May 24 06:01:44 <StingRay_> nest jars and lib projects from all over with gradle
May 24 06:01:50 <StingRay_> nested*
May 24 06:05:33 <Jc_Dev> is that fast?
May 24 06:05:50 <StingRay_> not a fact of being fast, more a fact that it now works
May 24 06:05:56 <Jc_Dev> ah, nice :)
May 24 06:06:14 <Jc_Dev> what's the advantage of using gradle instead of eclipse to build?
May 24 06:06:28 <StingRay_> eclipse is ide
May 24 06:06:30 <deebo> you can build without eclipse
May 24 06:06:32 <StingRay_> ant is build
May 24 06:06:48 <Jc_Dev> so like automated builds? gradle is an ant plug-in?
May 24 06:06:50 <StingRay_> so ant Vs gradle
May 24 06:07:03 <Jc_Dev> oh ok, competitor
May 24 06:07:13 <StingRay_> AS by default uses gradle
May 24 06:07:30 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: I see, the activity can have a menu, and the fragment can have a menu. And they'll be combined. That's pretty cool!
May 24 06:07:32 <Speedstick> I created a project in C that used ant to compile a clients project with changes automatically then used keysign I think to sign it etc...
May 24 06:07:43 <JakeWharton> yep
May 24 06:07:46 <Speedstick> anyway it ran into issues for compiling with ant, forget what I never managed to fix it
May 24 06:07:53 <Speedstick> ran into issues later on
May 24 06:07:57 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: now, to create separate XML files for each menu. :)
May 24 06:07:59 <Jc_Dev> so what do you do with non-IDE builds for?
May 24 06:08:10 <Jc_Dev> nightly builds or something?
May 24 06:08:29 <Speedstick> or if you want the same project just with certain changes done rapidly :)
May 24 06:08:30 <JakeWharton> CI
May 24 06:08:35 <JakeWharton> releases
May 24 06:09:05 <Jc_Dev> oh ok cool, what repo and build management system do you use with gradle (i'm new to java side of things)
May 24 06:09:32 <StingRay_> so now, according to how I understand it, my gradle daisy chain in IJ will also work if I module that project into another one
May 24 06:09:37 <Speedstick> something cool you guys may not know, .apk files can be auto converted to run on blackberry 10 apparently
May 24 06:09:41 * StingRay_ attempts to find out
May 24 06:09:52 <Speedstick> so android apps reaching other os's :D
May 24 06:09:59 <Jc_Dev> interesting
May 24 06:10:17 <Speedstick> they have their issues though...
May 24 06:10:50 <squ> http://imageupload.co.uk/files/a6w00otcicq8pp9xk6u5.png
May 24 06:10:52 <StingRay_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJAgPkpmR0
May 24 06:10:53 <squ> why this happen?
May 24 06:11:15 <StingRay_> sorry (gradle at google io and why)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJAgPkpmR0
May 24 06:11:17 <squ> I have     <uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="8" android:targetSdkVersion="17" />
May 24 06:11:22 <StingRay_> better description
May 24 06:11:27 <squ> isn't 4.2.2 = 17?
May 24 06:11:31 <Jc_Dev> ah, thanks StingRay_, i'll check that out
May 24 06:11:54 <shmooz> StingRay_: congratulations on getting it working !
May 24 06:12:03 <StingRay_> yey!
May 24 06:12:11 <StingRay_> well thats just the nested mess of library
May 24 06:12:22 <StingRay_> gonna dump that mess in a mess of a project that is an app now
May 24 06:12:25 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 06:12:40 <StingRay_> so I end up with a multi-tier mess
May 24 06:12:44 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 06:14:18 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: are you using gradle from your IDE too?
May 24 06:14:21 <StingRay_> i think gradle has probs if src tree has sub dirs in dirs that have src files
May 24 06:14:32 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: yeah  AS atm
May 24 06:14:43 <StingRay_> my 1st day playing with android studio
May 24 06:14:46 <Jc_Dev> AS ? android studio, the new intellij one?
May 24 06:14:56 <JakeWharton> yes
May 24 06:15:19 <squ> anyone
May 24 06:15:33 <JakeWharton> squ: 17 is 4.2
May 24 06:15:44 <squ> why it doesn't launch ?
May 24 06:15:49 <Jc_Dev> ah ok, yeah, i just started a couple weeks ago on the android eclipse stuff, i might switch over to the new stuff later, not sure i want to rock the boat just yet though :)
May 24 06:16:29 <JakeWharton> eclipse is a tanker
May 24 06:16:31 <StingRay_> well if you can go with AS as soon as really
May 24 06:16:34 <JakeWharton> intellij is a speed boat
May 24 06:16:40 <StingRay_> or intelliJ
May 24 06:17:40 <Jc_Dev> so it's stable enough to switch over to?
May 24 06:17:41 <StingRay_> JakeWharton: IJ is nice, but lacking in a few areas for me
May 24 06:17:51 <JakeWharton> like what?
May 24 06:18:02 <StingRay_> the ide layout stuff
May 24 06:18:24 <JakeWharton> it uses the exact same layout engine as the ADT in Eclipse
May 24 06:18:27 <JakeWharton> both preview and editor
May 24 06:18:39 <StingRay_> floating pannel stuff where you cant combine none-contextual views
May 24 06:18:44 <StingRay_> no
May 24 06:19:01 <StingRay_> I mean I have lets say nearly 10ft sq of screen
May 24 06:19:15 <StingRay_> in eclipse I could create multiple layouts
May 24 06:19:29 <StingRay_> that use all of that space, and with the freedom to arrange and combine how i want
May 24 06:19:37 <StingRay_> something I cannot do with IJ
May 24 06:19:50 <_genuser_> interesting, if a fagment doesn't handle it's menu the host activity can!
May 24 06:20:20 <_genuser_> not sure if I like to handle it in each individual fragment, or just in the activity
May 24 06:20:25 <JakeWharton> StingRay_: do you mean perspectives?
May 24 06:21:02 <StingRay_> i mean creating your own perspectives (pre-set view layouts) yes
May 24 06:21:12 <JakeWharton> ah I see
May 24 06:21:17 <JakeWharton> haven't missed it
May 24 06:21:33 <JakeWharton> in fact, I always hated how Eclipse forced you into the debug perspective which has an abysmal default
May 24 06:21:47 <StingRay_> I can see how IJ will be 100% better on my macbook pro
May 24 06:21:50 <JakeWharton> i can see how people would like that though
May 24 06:21:58 <StingRay_> but not on my multi monitor workstation
May 24 06:21:59 <_genuser_> I don't like the IDE changing based on debug or develop. Don't my windows around. I put them where I like.
May 24 06:22:10 <_genuser_> *don't move
May 24 06:22:23 <StingRay_> _genuser_: exactly
May 24 06:22:40 <StingRay_> I hardly ever left single layout in eclipse
May 24 06:22:42 <StingRay_> ddms
May 24 06:22:49 <StingRay_> heap, debug, logcat etc
May 24 06:23:05 <StingRay_> all there layed out in my common view how I wanted
May 24 06:23:07 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 06:23:17 <StingRay_> I will miss that if I stay with AS/IJ
May 24 06:23:51 <_genuser_> if it wasn't for android, teh only eclipse I would pay any mind would be solar/lunar eclipse etc....
May 24 06:26:07 <shmooz> AS doesn't behave much faster than Eclipse on my AMD dual core win7 laptop, maybe on intel or linux or something I guess
May 24 06:27:09 <shmooz> and the emulator is absolutely unusable on AMD
May 24 06:28:00 <Jc_Dev> shoot i pressed ctrl+tab in eclipse to jump to other window (this shortcut doesn't work apparently), and now whenever i switch focus eclipse freaks out and hangs for about 3 seconds until i re-open it, if anyone knows how to fix this without reopening please let m know
May 24 06:28:30 <Speedstick> I feel like google should make their own android dev environment, relying on eclipse is kinda weak
May 24 06:28:34 <Speedstick> they could do much better
May 24 06:28:46 <Jc_Dev> Speedstick: are you aware of the new intellij plug-in?
May 24 06:28:56 <Jc_Dev> announced at google i/o
May 24 06:28:59 <Speedstick> no what is that, like an auto code complete?
May 24 06:29:14 <Jc_Dev> it's a new IDE based on a product by jetbrains, called Android Studio
May 24 06:29:26 <Speedstick> ahh very cool, i'll have to check that out, thanks
May 24 06:29:29 <Jc_Dev> i'm being told I should switch to it :)
May 24 06:29:38 <shmooz> Speedstick: they have switched from Eclipse to IntelliJ IDEA (Russian stuff)
May 24 06:29:38 <shmooz> long live pinkos !
May 24 06:30:20 <Jc_Dev> kind of sucks for commercial devs, who i think will now have to pay for an IDE license
May 24 06:30:30 <Jc_Dev> or stick with Eclipse
May 24 06:31:04 <shmooz> why do you think that ?
May 24 06:31:36 <deebo> no need to pay, its open source like eclipse is
May 24 06:31:38 <Jc_Dev> i was told IntelliJ is only free for indy - up to 5 devs or something, is that right?
May 24 06:31:49 <deebo> pay if you want more enterprisey features like web dev
May 24 06:32:31 <Jc_Dev> oh ok
May 24 06:32:37 <t4nk813> does anyone know if the output of linux commans are consistant among all android os's?
May 24 06:32:56 <t4nk813> commands*
May 24 06:36:30 <t4nk813> i have tested the output of a linux command on 3 different  os's versions and the output format seems consistant
May 24 06:37:36 <shmooz> t4nk813:  do you need them to be consistent for parsing?
May 24 06:37:44 <t4nk813> yes
May 24 06:38:27 <shmooz> which commands ?
May 24 06:38:30 <squ> have downloaded newest adt bundle, and can not launch 4.1 x86 image
May 24 06:38:43 <squ> someone else have this problem too?
May 24 06:39:11 <squ> or I'm doing something wrong
May 24 06:39:16 <t4nk813> getevent -t | grep eventx x being the event
May 24 06:41:31 <Jc_Dev> is it ok to "abuse" PreferenceActivity as an About screen, to leverage the layout? some items are just static text, some items i'll put a click handler (to go to a URl for example), or is there a better activity I should be using?
May 24 06:42:14 <t4nk813> i need the time format to be consistant and i need the first line of output to be consistant which is the one line if it showing what event its reading
May 24 06:42:40 <Jc_Dev> squ: in eclipse? when i went through this, it took two rounsd of updates, and then my externally referenced jars weren't being included in the apk until i readded them a couple times, maybe it is your problem too
May 24 06:43:09 <zhulikas> hey g00s
May 24 06:43:19 <zhulikas> yesterday for the whole day I left my app running
May 24 06:43:26 <zhulikas> with 1second empty service restarts
May 24 06:43:32 <zhulikas> no battery impact at all
May 24 06:43:35 <g00s> :O
May 24 06:43:40 <zhulikas> it's all good :)
May 24 06:43:41 <g00s> come on !
May 24 06:43:43 <zhulikas> :DD
May 24 06:43:48 <g00s> did you have it plugged in :P
May 24 06:43:53 <g00s> hehe
May 24 06:43:54 <zhulikas> no
May 24 06:44:10 <g00s> this defies the laws of physics
May 24 06:44:35 <zhulikas> I think those operations are quite lightweight
May 24 06:44:49 <zhulikas> just as any java stuff which does not involve lots of data or internet/gps
May 24 06:45:08 <g00s> but you're using alarmmanager to turn the phone on, right ?
May 24 06:45:13 <squ> Jc_Dev: this is so annoying
May 24 06:45:16 <zhulikas> hmmmmmmm
May 24 06:45:18 <zhulikas> actually
May 24 06:45:24 <zhulikas> I am not waking it up....
May 24 06:45:28 <zhulikas> RTC mode
May 24 06:45:34 <zhulikas> so maybe it's not running :))
May 24 06:45:35 <zhulikas> shit.
May 24 06:45:43 <zhulikas> my test failed
May 24 06:46:05 <Jc_Dev> your test didn't fail - you just proved your app doesn't use any additional battery when it's not running :)
May 24 06:46:13 <t4nk813> dang it my service keeps getting killed when my app gets killed even though my service was running a doinbackground
May 24 06:46:41 <zhulikas> I tried killing it with task killer
May 24 06:46:44 <zhulikas> it still runs!
May 24 06:46:59 <zhulikas> I have a toast on data sync step which gets called during first run
May 24 06:47:08 <zhulikas> but I didna't really kill it anyway
May 24 06:48:55 <squ> where are emulator launch logs?
May 24 06:49:25 <squ> its not launching and I don't know why
May 24 06:49:40 <t4nk813> i guess i need to read  about startForeground() to keep my service from dieing
May 24 06:49:53 <zhulikas> dying*
May 24 06:50:31 <t4nk813> lol ill never learn how to spell kinda like learning how to program correctly
May 24 06:50:50 <zhulikas> :)))
May 24 06:51:12 <_genuser_> battery cycle eh?
May 24 06:51:23 <_genuser_> mine just goes for 30hours only on minimal use.
May 24 06:51:26 <shmooz> that's the english language's fault more than yours ;)
May 24 06:51:34 <_genuser_> while same phone for someone else goes twice that much.
May 24 06:51:43 <zhulikas> yeah, it should be dieing if language was sane
May 24 06:51:43 <zhulikas> :D
May 24 06:52:21 <_genuser_> well, they needed to weed out people who didn't learn all the rules.
May 24 06:52:33 <_genuser_> so they'd have some topic of discussions ready for tea time.
May 24 06:52:37 <marrrk> I would like to test some code that I have. In my actual program I receive instances of a class that I'm unable to instantiate myself. Is there a trick for that?
May 24 06:52:42 <Maziz> it seems you can make interface parcelable
May 24 06:52:46 <Maziz> you cant*
May 24 06:54:08 <zhulikas> tea time!
May 24 06:54:16 <zhulikas> brilliant idea!
May 24 06:54:40 <t4nk813> sleep time for me goodnight all
May 24 06:54:57 <shmooz> an app that tells you when its time to have tea ?
May 24 06:55:10 <zhulikas> :DD
May 24 06:55:27 <zhulikas> shmooz, getPerfectTimeForTea() { return new Date(); }
May 24 06:56:21 <shmooz> ohhh that gives me a great idea!
May 24 06:56:57 <shmooz> not that its related, but you know those stop smoking infomercials with the little electronic gadget that tells you when to smoke to slowly get off it ? lolz
May 24 06:57:24 <shmooz> well you can make a stop smoking app that tells you when to smoke so you hate it or something and then that makes you quit
May 24 06:59:01 <shmooz> I remeber those infomercials from the 90's
May 24 07:12:33 <Tecan> is there an eclipse sample pack for droid somewhere ?
May 24 07:13:22 <Tecan> crap im starting to like java
May 24 07:16:57 <Smoke2Much> hi
May 24 07:19:55 <Zharf> Tecan, you'll like it more if you don't use eclipse ;)
May 24 07:21:36 <StingRay_> why do you want motorolla stuff ?
May 24 07:22:20 <StingRay_> didnt think they had any specifics no more Tecan , thought they were all googled
May 24 07:22:30 <StingRay_> unless you mean ANdroid
May 24 07:22:33 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 07:35:18 <Tecan> crappackage com.example.neon;
May 24 07:43:01 <StingRay_> ah
May 24 07:43:05 <StingRay_> ok this is crap
May 24 07:43:21 <StingRay_> this is maybe a reson to ditch IJ
May 24 07:43:32 <StingRay_> well gradle at least
May 24 07:43:40 <StingRay_> got back to ant builds
May 24 07:44:38 <StingRay_> It appears you cannot have (masterLib that has (LibA and LibB) modules) in a masterApp
May 24 07:44:40 <krad> hi.  is there an application like strace for android with a nice UI that lets me monitor all syscalls happening on my device?
May 24 07:44:50 <StingRay_> gradle just dont chain like that
May 24 07:44:57 <StingRay_> or I cant understand how it could
May 24 07:46:33 <StingRay_> krad: this is app dev
May 24 07:46:43 <StingRay_> not android whats the best app for x
May 24 07:46:55 <StingRay_> thats probably #android or #xda-devs
May 24 07:47:09 <krad> though app devs should know about the existence of this more than others
May 24 07:47:31 <StingRay_> probably do
May 24 07:47:47 <StingRay_> but not care that much, care more about the topics :)
May 24 07:47:55 <StingRay_> like the gradle build system
May 24 07:47:56 <p_l> StingRay_: Gradle has some specific requirements regarding subprojects
May 24 07:48:14 <p_l> which are simple, but only as long as you start with them, not when you try to shoehorn existing layout into it
May 24 07:48:23 <StingRay_> p_l: yeah, that just dont work in the way they should
May 24 07:48:49 <StingRay_> as in you cannot have a lib with nested libs external to main app and expect gradle to work
May 24 07:49:06 <StingRay_> I'm sure intelli/AS internally can do that
May 24 07:49:13 <StingRay_> just not build it with gradle
May 24 07:49:36 <p_l> StingRay_: Depending on what exactly you're trying to do, it could be solvable
May 24 07:49:48 <StingRay_> only way I can figure it is to have the lib with nested libs inside the app dir structure
May 24 07:49:55 <StingRay_> and thats no the point of libs
May 24 07:49:56 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 07:50:31 <p_l> or you could add a task that prepares the build dir so
May 24 07:51:03 <StingRay_> tis all over SO with things like ABS etc
May 24 07:51:13 <StingRay_> or any external lib project
May 24 07:51:38 <StingRay_> people just cant get it to work, unless it's all inside the dir structure
May 24 07:52:11 <StingRay_> and I have simons menuLib, and some cw libs included in "my" main lib
May 24 07:52:33 <p_l> StingRay_: if they are using subprojects, then yeah, it's a PITA that I suggest could be solved by laying out the build files a bit differently
May 24 07:52:37 <StingRay_> now I got my lib to work only have to including those inside, and now I wanted my lib in my app project
May 24 07:53:13 <StingRay_> I dont get how I would include things "daisy" them that are outside the current project though
May 24 07:53:55 <StingRay_> can I specify absolute paths ?
May 24 07:55:54 <p_l> depends on how it is included. Subprojects reflect hierarchy starting with the directory the build.gradle file is in
May 24 07:56:03 <p_l> the rest can be done with various packing tricks
May 24 07:57:13 <StingRay_> so you think it's possible, I mean ideally I dont want to nest any projects within projects, I want the same lib functionality from eclipse/ant
May 24 07:57:41 <Afzal> StingRay_, do post a little guide if you manage to get third-party libraries working properly
May 24 07:58:06 <StingRay_> Afzal: well if you nest them it's easy
May 24 07:58:10 <Afzal> i gave up after 2 long nights, might as well wait for the next version
May 24 07:58:25 <StingRay_> but I either need nested nests, or the proper external way
May 24 07:58:43 <Afzal> well yeah but who wants to change the folder structure, especially when the libs are projects and not jars
May 24 07:59:57 <p_l> StingRay_: you should be able to manipulate sourcepaths with sourceSets
May 24 08:00:25 * p_l does that a bit in his current project (non-android) because he has practically all of the code under *test*
May 24 08:01:39 <StingRay_> but with a source set how does one move outside the root ?
May 24 08:01:57 <StingRay_> since the resolution of AS/IJ has little to do with gradle at this point
May 24 08:02:05 <StingRay_> and no intergration
May 24 08:02:07 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 08:02:33 <StingRay_> or am I missing some magic here
May 24 08:08:28 <Smoke2Much> hi anybody have experience this kind of error when using the httpclient library
May 24 08:08:29 <Smoke2Much> Exception Occurred :  recvfrom failed: ECONNRESET (Connection reset by peer) ?:??: W/?(?): java.net.SocketException: recvfrom failed: ECONNRESET (Connection reset by peer)
May 24 08:08:51 <Smoke2Much> the this error is intermitten and not always happened
May 24 08:12:52 <ikarus> Does google have a nice clean little filechooser, for a consistent look
May 24 08:14:18 <squ> http://imageupload.co.uk/files/f5ovaakgyqbr7lswfxai.png
May 24 08:14:25 <squ> does this look like an infinity loop?
May 24 08:18:18 <p_l> StingRay_: IntelliJ 12's Gradle support works by calling gradle
May 24 08:18:31 <p_l> StingRay_: in source sets, it's possible iirc to go with arbitrary paths
May 24 08:18:32 <pragma-> squ: no.
May 24 08:19:15 <pragma-> it looks like a bunch of threads.
May 24 08:19:33 <Zharf> ikarus, afaik no
May 24 08:19:59 <squ> pragma-: I click on message filter in logcat. then clicked on another message filter
May 24 08:20:27 <squ> can't understand why it is so hard for eclipse to compete with xcode
May 24 08:20:52 <squ> or why android use that software
May 24 08:21:31 <squ> why its called software at all
May 24 08:22:34 * pragma- shrugs indifferently.
May 24 08:22:39 <pragma-> eclipse is shit; I don't use it.
May 24 08:25:09 <lasserix> if you can't beat the wave, beat the surfer
May 24 08:26:30 <StingRay_> p_l: got any examples ?
May 24 08:26:41 <StingRay_> cause I'm finding this hard to get my head around now
May 24 08:26:58 <StingRay_> having to manage all these things that were, seemless in eclipse
May 24 08:28:57 <p_l> StingRay_: nothing on hand
May 24 08:32:03 <StingRay_> i just really dont get how people work with this
May 24 08:32:15 <StingRay_> tis definiately for the more experienced devs
May 24 08:32:17 <lorenx> hi all. how can i pass a param to one of my activity menuitem? should i use onCreateOptionsMenu()? thanks
May 24 08:34:07 <squ> StingRay_: trying new ide?
May 24 08:34:22 <StingRay_> the ide is not really the prob
May 24 08:34:28 <StingRay_> the build system is
May 24 08:34:33 <StingRay_> well for me an my use
May 24 08:34:33 <squ> which is?
May 24 08:34:39 <StingRay_> AS and gradle
May 24 08:34:45 <squ> wtf :)
May 24 08:34:58 <pragma-> I don't get how people work with GUI IDEs at all.  I feel so much more comfortable on the command-line and using the android dev tools directly, instead of having those details hidden by some IDE.
May 24 08:35:45 <pragma-> And there is no editor but vim.
May 24 08:35:52 <squ> thats true but not quite possible
May 24 08:35:54 <StingRay_> pragma-: easy, not time and convinience
May 24 08:36:20 <squ> I didn't succeeded in finding vim - java - android completion
May 24 08:36:32 <pragma-> editing files with vim is super fast when you know how to use vim.
May 24 08:36:36 <squ> also I need to preview layouts
May 24 08:36:55 <pragma-> real programmers don't complete.
May 24 08:37:19 <squ> as a newbie java learner I need that completions
May 24 08:37:36 <pragma-> no, you just need a copy of javadocs/android docs opened up.
May 24 08:37:48 <lasserix> i think intellisense is kind of like a calculator: sure you can do it all by hand, but it can save you some time :)
May 24 08:38:23 <squ> lasserix: vim vs ide is not like calculator vs paper
May 24 08:38:46 <pragma-> sure, until they're just blindly completely to various things without reading the docs to understand the caveats
May 24 08:38:49 <Sonicadvance1> calculator versus a bloated whale?
May 24 08:38:54 <pragma-> s/completely/completing/
May 24 08:39:05 <monsti> well eclipse is like a piped pornstar
May 24 08:39:05 <lasserix> uhh then... calculator and abacus?
May 24 08:39:09 <lasserix> hehe
May 24 08:39:12 <monsti> pimped
May 24 08:39:30 <pragma-> "oh, hey, Thread.st... completes to Thread.stop, this must be what I want!"
May 24 08:40:02 <squ> pragma-: thats my style
May 24 08:40:04 <lasserix> pragma: ahh i use it not for lookuping what i dont know but generally for (if the term is correct) verbose naming
May 24 08:40:36 <squ> keeping in mind that I hate java
May 24 08:42:35 <squ> eclipse adds to this hate
May 24 08:43:41 <Sonicadvance1> Eclipse is pretty terrible of an IDEA
May 24 08:43:43 <Sonicadvance1> IDE even
May 24 08:43:53 <StingRay_> no it isnt
May 24 08:44:05 <StingRay_> it has problems and limitation
May 24 08:44:06 <StingRay_> s
May 24 08:44:10 <StingRay_> much like anything
May 24 08:44:33 <Sonicadvance1> The problems tend to be more pronounced than other things I use :P
May 24 08:44:58 <StingRay_> try and do some efficient organization in IJ/AS and tell me how bad eclipse is
May 24 08:44:59 <squ> pragma-: are you using ctags for java?
May 24 08:45:06 <StingRay_> when the same thing in eclipse is simple
May 24 08:46:13 <squ> emulator time 8:45, OS time 11:45, logcat time 4:55
May 24 08:47:39 <pragma-> squ: no
May 24 08:47:51 <Ojoloco> Hi there: I'm trying to debug an app using logcat. Is there any way to send a stack trace to logcat?
May 24 08:48:32 <squ> pragma-: you dont do CTRL-] ?
May 24 08:49:12 <squ> Ojoloco: exception.printStackTrace()
May 24 08:49:33 <Ojoloco> oh, thanks!
May 24 08:53:53 <p_l> StingRay_: I think it's a problem of it still being what JetBrains calls "EAP"
May 24 08:54:02 <p_l> lots of wrinkles to be ironed out yet
May 24 08:54:03 <squ>  Unable to resolve superclass of Lcom/actionbarsherlock/app/SherlockFragmentActivity; (114)
May 24 08:54:03 <squ>  Link of class 'Lcom/actionbarsherlock/app/SherlockFragmentActivity;' failed
May 24 08:55:52 <StingRay_> p_l: then they should keep it closed till it all works
May 24 08:56:25 <StingRay_> on the up side I now know more about build systems than I did 8 hours ago
May 24 08:56:38 <StingRay_> and I'm switching back to ant builds
May 24 08:56:40 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 08:57:30 <p_l> StingRay_: if they kept it closed they might have never encountered certain issues, for the very simple thing that it might be easier for them to adapt (not to mention that if they are writing the Gradle support for Android, they might "instinctively" know the internals and apropriately work around stuff)
May 24 08:58:23 <squ> http://tools.android.com/recent/dealingwithdependenciesinandroidprojects
May 24 08:58:24 <p_l> it's kinda the problem with Microsoft Windows - they aggresively dogfood it, but because of that, they have all the stuff "figured out" locally and then BLAM, public release, and shitton of bugs that no one encountered happen
May 24 08:58:33 <squ> is it only me or screenshot covers text?
May 24 08:59:33 <StingRay_> squ: thats part of the screen shot bg
May 24 09:00:21 <squ> ah
May 24 09:01:56 <angelsl> StingRay_: IDEA works fine
May 24 09:02:04 <angelsl> i have no idea where you're getting all these issues from
May 24 09:02:47 <p_l> angelsl: new Gradle build tools for Android
May 24 09:02:48 <squ> http://imageupload.co.uk/files/lytvrrarox0ux9epsopr.png
May 24 09:03:02 <p_l> angelsl: that happen to be included in Android Studio
May 24 09:03:20 <angelsl> ah, so that's not IDEA then
May 24 09:03:26 <angelsl> "<StingRay_> try and do some efficient organization in IJ/AS and tell me how bad eclipse is"
May 24 09:05:14 <p_l> well, I still haven't figured how to deal with building stuff in Eclipse, on when it calls what
May 24 09:05:19 <p_l> no matter the language
May 24 09:05:49 <angelsl> iirc the one time i tried Eclipse
May 24 09:05:52 <angelsl> it kept crashing
May 24 09:05:52 <p_l> at least IntelliJ 12.1 now properly imports Gradle builds, so I just hit F9 and select target :)
May 24 09:05:53 <angelsl> i gave up
May 24 09:06:07 <angelsl> went back to NetBeans, and now IDEA
May 24 09:10:15 <Zharf> IDEA <3
May 24 09:10:36 <Zharf> though without ideavim it would be nothing
May 24 09:11:33 <StingRay_> IJ/AS does not work fine for me
May 24 09:11:47 <StingRay_> compared to eclipse project management
May 24 09:12:05 <StingRay_> more of a Gradle Vs Ant thing
May 24 09:13:06 <p_l> StingRay_: I commend you for figuring out configuring builds under Eclipse
May 24 09:13:42 <p_l> my main contacts with it always left me with "ok, so how do I actually make it use Ant without breaking project settings" then going "fuck it, I'll keep a console open"
May 24 09:15:00 <StingRay_> well just about to try multi reference nested projects with AS + ant now
May 24 09:15:14 <StingRay_> and if that fails, back to eclipse I go to actually do some work
May 24 09:22:28 <Spec-Chum> hah, StingRay_ told you so :p
May 24 09:23:04 <StingRay_> well not nested, external as they should be
May 24 09:23:07 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 09:37:31 <Kennethos> R.java is not generated after I cleaned my project. There are no errors in the res folder.
May 24 09:38:00 <StingRay_> there will be
May 24 09:38:08 <StingRay_> just lint wont be showing you them
May 24 09:38:12 <StingRay_> or it
May 24 09:39:09 <Kennethos> Ok, ill check again :)
May 24 09:41:16 <Kennethos> I didn't changed anything in my res folder the last couple of days. It would suprise me that a layout file or png is causing this.
May 24 09:41:45 <StingRay_> you probably only changed the thing you forgot about changing
May 24 09:41:57 <Guest53062> I want to get a textview value updates after this fragment.  BUt I cant because the view requires a return that infaltes the content.  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5642442
May 24 09:42:00 <Guest53062> Any ideas?
May 24 09:42:13 <Guest53062> to update *
May 24 09:42:51 <StingRay_> Guest53062: no idea what you just said
May 24 09:43:20 <StingRay_> but the 1000's of possabilites of what you potentially mean, at least 998 are possible
May 24 09:43:25 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 09:43:42 <Guest53062> I want to update a TextView within R.layout.home
May 24 09:43:46 <Guest53062> In short ;-)
May 24 09:44:02 <StingRay_> see that a 10% question
May 24 09:44:08 <StingRay_> my 10% answer
May 24 09:44:11 <StingRay_> setText()
May 24 09:44:13 <StingRay_> easy
May 24 09:44:30 <Guest53062> But I cant, because the current way the fragment is loaded requires the a 'return'
May 24 09:44:50 <StingRay_> see now your not making any sense again
May 24 09:45:05 <StingRay_> yes a fragment returns a view to the fragmentManager
May 24 09:45:06 <Guest53062> So I can't update the textview since the onCreateView already returned
May 24 09:45:30 <StingRay_> erm why does that matter >
May 24 09:45:32 <StingRay_> ?
May 24 09:45:39 <StingRay_> if it;s on the screen
May 24 09:45:42 <StingRay_> you can update it
May 24 09:45:51 <Guest53062> Where would I perform that update at?
May 24 09:45:54 <StingRay_> or fk with it in some way depending on what it si
May 24 09:45:55 <StingRay_> is
May 24 09:46:06 <StingRay_> where do you want to ?
May 24 09:46:21 <Guest53062> I woudl love it to be within the HomeFragment class I gist'ed
May 24 09:46:31 <StingRay_> then get an instance of the fragment
May 24 09:46:55 <StingRay_> and either a) have a method in that fragment that you pass a string to and it updates it based on it's own reference
May 24 09:46:57 <StingRay_> OR
May 24 09:47:14 <Guest53062> I was looking at onFinishInflate callback to modify the value after it's on the screen.
May 24 09:47:16 <StingRay_> b ) get the view from the fragment instance and findViewById and do it yourself
May 24 09:47:43 <luoluoluo> hi there, I stored the 3rd party jars in lib instead of libs, it can compile by using intellij but cannot compile with "ant release", where can I do the setup stuff to solve this?
May 24 09:47:46 <StingRay_> ah so now your brining "when" to the table too
May 24 09:48:20 <Guest53062> StingRay_, If at all possible, this could be solved by having a variable in the XML (that I would hope could call a function)
May 24 09:48:27 <Guest53062> Then I wouldnt have to worry since it'll do it for me ;-)
May 24 09:48:27 <Guest53062> lol
May 24 09:48:55 <StingRay_> see from the info that you gave in parts we are about 70% there to an actual full question
May 24 09:49:19 <Guest53062> StingRay_, It's a semi-complicated issue, requires a little explanation
May 24 09:49:34 <Guest53062> Mostly because I'm a novice android developer...
May 24 09:51:02 <StingRay_> same here
May 24 09:51:33 <StingRay_> but communication and articulation of a message are not related ;)
May 24 09:51:39 <ciurkut> Good morning everyone :)
May 24 09:51:52 <Sirolf> morning
May 24 10:17:26 <Ge0rG> haha, http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/05/exploiting-samsung-galaxy-s4-secure-boot.html
May 24 10:36:20 <StingRay_> oh btw, ant, fk yeah, all sorted in AS and working with multiple lib projects with multiple references that are not all banged together
May 24 10:36:27 <StingRay_> fk u gradle shit!
May 24 10:36:59 <StingRay_> but on the up side, I may stick with AS + ant and see what all this intelliJ is about now :)
May 24 10:42:30 <zhulikas> http://gyazo.com/87788fedf5465738da73e695a5fd2c6a
May 24 10:42:35 <zhulikas> mountpoint /data/data
May 24 10:42:39 <zhulikas> 172M size
May 24 10:42:41 <zhulikas> is this regular?
May 24 10:42:59 <Mavrik> StingRay_, join the dark side of maven users :P
May 24 10:43:26 <StingRay_> Mavrik: maybe
May 24 10:43:39 <StingRay_> but I just want to spend a few days getting work done
May 24 10:43:45 <StingRay_> then I will play again :)
May 24 10:44:30 <Mavrik> pfft, productivity is for normal peoplež
May 24 10:44:57 <StingRay_> well I've been anything BUT normal in the last month
May 24 10:45:06 <StingRay_> time to be normal at least for a week
May 24 11:02:56 <zhulikas> does android always write database to /data/data?
May 24 11:03:06 <zhulikas> is it possible to write database to external sd card?
May 24 11:03:13 <zhulikas> application database
May 24 11:03:28 <dogan90> Hey noobs :)
May 24 11:03:45 <zhulikas> hey noob
May 24 11:03:56 <Mavrik> zhulikas, it's possible to write database wherever
May 24 11:03:59 <dogan90> michael???
May 24 11:04:02 <zhulikas> hmmmm
May 24 11:04:11 <ciurkut> hiho how to load facebook page to android app?
May 24 11:04:17 <zhulikas> for some reason I transferred my app to sd card
May 24 11:04:25 <zhulikas> and then it still creates db in /data/data
May 24 11:04:37 <dogan90> where is this michaelnova?
May 24 11:07:41 <Mavrik> zhulikas, of course, because you tell it to create it there.
May 24 11:08:06 <Mavrik> ciurkut, I suggest you explain your issue better.
May 24 11:08:10 <zhulikas> how can I tell it to create it elsewhere?
May 24 11:08:11 <zhulikas> hmm
May 24 11:08:13 <zhulikas> let me google that
May 24 11:09:07 <Mavrik> zhulikas, you pass the filename when opening
May 24 11:10:00 <zhulikas> I'm using SQLiteOpenHelper
May 24 11:10:09 <zhulikas> and yes, I pass database name
May 24 11:12:09 <dogan90> zhulikas....
May 24 11:12:14 <dogan90> are you Greek or something?
May 24 11:12:15 <zhulikas> :)
May 24 11:12:27 <zhulikas> why
May 24 11:12:45 <dogan90> because your name sounds Greek...
May 24 11:13:08 <zhulikas> I'm Lithuanian
May 24 11:13:24 <zhulikas> ok, I don't really need to use SQLiteOpenHelper...
May 24 11:13:35 <dogan90> Lithuanian
May 24 11:13:43 <zhulikas> will write my own which creates db on sd card
May 24 11:14:08 <ciurkut> Mavrik i want to display timeline in best posible way. if i use webview it asks me to log in every single time
May 24 11:14:24 <ciurkut> is there any option to use loged data from facebook apps
May 24 11:14:29 <ciurkut> to just display timeline?
May 24 11:14:44 <SiPlus> Hi
May 24 11:14:51 <SiPlus> When should I use short toast or long toast?
May 24 11:15:20 <StingRay_> never
May 24 11:15:29 <SiPlus> StingRay_, explain
May 24 11:15:32 <StingRay_> well 95% of the time never
May 24 11:15:40 <lasserix> short toast for high fives, long toast for obnoxious acronyms like OMG LOL
May 24 11:15:44 <StingRay_> an uncontrolled message
May 24 11:15:55 <StingRay_> by that I mean the user pov
May 24 11:16:12 <kakazza> Personally, I use Croutons for these small kind of notifications.
May 24 11:17:06 <SiPlus> Toast is the Holo way of displaying messages
May 24 11:17:11 <Mavrik> ciurkut, using official Facebook SDK is your best bet.
May 24 11:17:40 <Mavrik> SiPlus, hmm, I've never really able to find use for long toasts
May 24 11:18:00 <Mavrik> SiPlus, those things are usually better as AlertDialogs if they must be
May 24 11:18:17 <Mavrik> toast is a transient message anyway and you shouldn't expect user to read it :)
May 24 11:18:18 <StingRay_> or notifications
May 24 11:18:18 <SiPlus> I want to show that the user has inputted an invalid character
May 24 11:18:37 <SiPlus> entered *
May 24 11:18:40 <StingRay_> then do something were the users focus is
May 24 11:18:50 <StingRay_> the input area or widget
May 24 11:19:06 <Mavrik> SiPlus, recoloring the input area with text underneath it will probably be way better for UX
May 24 11:19:10 <Mavrik> short toast would work as well
May 24 11:19:36 <SiPlus> Mavrik, with only recoloring, how can I tell the user what characters are allowed?
May 24 11:19:37 <Mavrik> long toast will hang around forever - user will retype everything and switch activities and the toast will still be visible ;)
May 24 11:19:52 <SiPlus> Mavrik, really?
May 24 11:19:54 <Mavrik> "with text underneath" … or close
May 24 11:19:55 <StingRay_> Mavrik: short toast ? depends if the user is focused there
May 24 11:20:01 <StingRay_> ods are keyboard is up
May 24 11:20:05 <Mavrik> StingRay_, yes.
May 24 11:20:05 <StingRay_> odds
May 24 11:20:07 <SiPlus> I thought that short toast is 3 seconds long and long toast is 5 seconds long
May 24 11:20:09 <SiPlus> or 2/4
May 24 11:20:18 <Mavrik> StingRay_, odds are people are focused on keyboard while typing and that's where toasts show up
May 24 11:20:21 <Mavrik> ;)
May 24 11:20:33 <Mavrik> SiPlus, 5 seconds is a long time in a mobile app :)
May 24 11:20:50 <SiPlus> My string:
May 24 11:20:51 <SiPlus> Your account name or password has disallowed characters.\nAllowed characters are: 0&#8211;9 A&#8211;z !"#$%&amp;'()*+,-./:;&lt;=&gt;?@[\]^_`{|}~
May 24 11:20:58 <Mavrik> ugh
May 24 11:21:05 <Mavrik> noone will read that ;)
May 24 11:21:06 <Mavrik> shorten it
May 24 11:21:11 <SiPlus> I tried to use short toast, but it's a bit short for me
May 24 11:21:17 <Mavrik> "Your password may only contain letters"@
May 24 11:21:30 <Mavrik> SiPlus, yeah, because your problem is the wall of text not the toast
May 24 11:21:36 <Mavrik> remember, people on mobile don't read
May 24 11:21:38 <Mavrik> :)
May 24 11:21:46 <SiPlus> The problem is that it doesn't simply contain letters
May 24 11:21:52 <SiPlus> It may contain only Latin letters
May 24 11:22:03 <SiPlus> And also numbers and all other ASCII printable chars
May 24 11:22:26 <SiPlus> '()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~
May 24 11:23:03 <SiPlus> It's not my own protocol, so I can't change it
May 24 11:23:13 <StingRay_> do a little shake for it
May 24 11:23:17 <StingRay_> when it's wrong
May 24 11:23:39 <SiPlus> StingRay_, but how do I tell the user what letters are right?
May 24 11:26:10 <StingRay_> look to the web
May 24 11:27:00 <StingRay_> enter your password  ***********  (enter)  "SHAKE"     --- >   text appears above the entry area / or alertDialog
May 24 11:27:27 <funkbox> JakeWharton: thanks for fixing the retrofit bug
May 24 11:28:40 <SiPlus> Oh, yes
May 24 11:28:44 <SiPlus> ***********
May 24 11:28:55 <SiPlus> So the user won't see where the incorrect letters are
May 24 11:29:07 <SiPlus> My idea is probably ok for account names, but awful for passwords
May 24 11:31:08 <ciurkut> lol... im downloading facebook sdk and it says that archive has bad format
May 24 11:31:09 <ciurkut> :c
May 24 11:31:28 <squ> )
May 24 11:32:08 <ciurkut> and each time it has different size <3
May 24 11:32:11 <ciurkut> how lovely
May 24 11:32:12 <ciurkut> :D
May 24 11:32:15 <StingRay_> everything with facebook is a bad format
May 24 11:32:18 <StingRay_> even the idea
May 24 11:32:37 <StingRay_> having an account on there
May 24 11:32:39 <ciurkut> :c
May 24 11:32:41 <StingRay_> posting on there
May 24 11:32:46 <StingRay_> all of it
May 24 11:32:50 <StingRay_> bad!!!  :)
May 24 11:32:52 <ciurkut> right
May 24 11:32:57 <ciurkut> lets make better one :<
May 24 11:33:01 <ciurkut> :3
May 24 11:33:48 <ciurkut> you cant argue with 1 billion people
May 24 11:34:12 <StingRay_> the dumb dont interest me enought to argue with
May 24 11:34:19 <StingRay_> so out of choice, your are correct  ;)
May 24 11:35:37 <ciurkut> but you use google
May 24 11:35:45 <ciurkut> that is same shyt
May 24 11:35:54 <ciurkut> that gets your data and know when youre fapping
May 24 11:36:14 <StingRay_> there is a difference of subject and context
May 24 11:36:28 <ciurkut> tracking cookies everywhere
May 24 11:36:29 <StingRay_> fb is a socialite mess of teeny wannabies
May 24 11:36:41 <StingRay_> google is a little different
May 24 11:36:48 <StingRay_> I assume you mean google+ ?
May 24 11:36:53 <StingRay_> or you just mean google
May 24 11:36:55 <StingRay_> ?
May 24 11:37:11 <ciurkut> google+ and google overall
May 24 11:37:17 <ciurkut> you dont like facebook as idea?
May 24 11:37:23 <StingRay_> no
May 24 11:38:01 <StingRay_> not really that much of a fan of g+ either, but tis lots better than fb
May 24 11:42:54 <ciurkut> okay... fock it... no facebook sdk today
May 24 11:44:32 <SiPlus> How do I add spacebar to EditText android:digits?
May 24 11:48:24 <StingRay_> why would numberical input have a space ?
May 24 11:48:55 <SiPlus> it's not numerical
May 24 11:48:57 <SiPlus> it's ascii only
May 24 11:49:03 <SiPlus> ansi only *
May 24 11:49:48 <omid8bimo> im trying to capture an image via camera and put it into an ImageView. how can i dynamically set the dimention of the final ImageView?
May 24 11:50:25 <StingRay_> with it's layoutParams
May 24 11:50:28 <SiPlus> well, I'll make a widget for filtered text input
May 24 11:50:31 <StingRay_> with and height
May 24 11:50:34 <StingRay_> width
May 24 11:50:36 <Ankhwatcher> MANIFEST!
May 24 11:50:39 <Ankhwatcher> shit!
May 24 11:50:46 <SiPlus> that checks entire string for incorrect characters when it's edited
May 24 11:51:00 <ciurkut> ankhwatcher <3
May 24 11:51:03 <ciurkut> :D
May 24 11:51:07 <SiPlus> and flashes when the character is incorrect
May 24 11:51:28 <StingRay_> hang on, you can have validation regex filter on it no ?  @ SiPlus
May 24 11:51:38 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: you know when you've been troubleshooting something for hours and it suddenly dawns on you that the activity you're trying to launch isn't in the manifest...
May 24 11:51:44 <StingRay_> never done that, but seem to recall it
May 24 11:52:15 <StingRay_> Ankhwatcher: no, cause it tells you in locat
May 24 11:52:18 <StingRay_> logcat
May 24 11:52:27 <StingRay_> omg, too tired now...
May 24 11:52:44 <Ankhwatcher> StingRay_: no this time, probably because I'm using pending intents or something
May 24 11:52:58 <StingRay_> nope
May 24 11:53:07 <StingRay_> would always say so I think
May 24 11:53:16 <StingRay_> at the end of the first line in red
May 24 11:53:32 <StingRay_> "******* have you declared this in the manifest"
May 24 11:53:57 <Ankhwatcher> StingRay_: yeah, that wasn't coming up for this one
May 24 11:54:10 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: i kow about layout_width and layout_height but with them i can set like 800dp in 600dp. but i want to reduce its size dynamically while in cellphone or show a bigger image in tablets
May 24 11:54:37 <StingRay_> you can set what you want
May 24 11:54:50 <StingRay_> and what do you mean dynamically
May 24 11:54:52 <Ankhwatcher> haha! now it's working!
May 24 11:55:10 <StingRay_> how is setting layoutParams in code anything but dynamic
May 24 11:55:21 <StingRay_> based on events and conditions
May 24 11:55:22 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 11:55:52 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: i mean like the ImageView object shows a bigger preview of the taken photo via Intent while on bigger screen like tablets
May 24 11:56:44 <StingRay_> I think I'm missing the point here, cause what I just said matches what I think your asking
May 24 11:57:07 <Ankhwatcher> By the way does anyone know how to create a PendingIntent to open a browser window, with the URL being added by a FillInIntent? The whole reason I have this activity is to get around not know how to do that.
May 24 12:00:14 <StingRay_> right bed time
May 24 12:00:16 <StingRay_> sleeps
May 24 12:00:27 <StingRay_> happy coding and goodnight
May 24 12:00:27 <Ankhwatcher> StingRay_: goodnight
May 24 12:00:29 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 12:00:41 <ciurkut> night :)
May 24 12:02:40 <ikarus> I've got an interesting problem, what the hell is wrong when an application using the camera doesn't resume previewing after the device being "locked"
May 24 12:03:24 <Ankhwatcher> ikarus: that's probably a battery saving issue
May 24 12:03:37 <ciurkut> maybe restart it onresume?
May 24 12:03:51 <Ankhwatcher> I think you'll have to test for it in onResume and re-request
May 24 12:03:55 <ikarus> ciurkut: I am doing that, and the logcat log indicates it's reopend
May 24 12:03:58 <lasserix> is your startactivityforresult returning?
May 24 12:04:07 <ikarus> but the preview is just never resumed
May 24 12:04:18 <lasserix> is your startactivityforresult returning?
May 24 12:04:27 <lasserix> with code cancel or something?
May 24 12:04:35 <ciurkut> cause maybe other preview is tehere! :c
May 24 12:04:55 <ciurkut> kill preview at onpause and than start it
May 24 12:04:58 <ciurkut> on resume
May 24 12:04:59 <ciurkut> :c
May 24 12:06:14 <ciurkut> anyone wants to bump my thread on xda developers? :P
May 24 12:06:15 <ikarus> ciurkut: how would one kill the preview ?
May 24 12:06:48 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: link?
May 24 12:07:15 <ciurkut> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2293369
May 24 12:07:24 <ciurkut> write nice review
May 24 12:07:27 <ciurkut> about how you love it
May 24 12:07:34 <ciurkut> and how it makes your every day better
May 24 12:07:35 <ciurkut> :c
May 24 12:10:05 <ikarus> hrm, I do a stopPreview() setPreviewCallback(null), etc onPause, then onResume I reattach that mess
May 24 12:10:30 <ciurkut> ikarus http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6519120/how-to-recover-camera-preview-from-sleep
May 24 12:11:09 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: I swear I already had an app called pattterns
May 24 12:11:20 <ciurkut> maybe from me :c
May 24 12:11:34 <Ankhwatcher> this was last year sometime
May 24 12:11:37 <ciurkut> :C
May 24 12:11:46 <ciurkut> maybe pattrn
May 24 12:11:53 <ciurkut> but mine is better and offline
May 24 12:11:54 <ciurkut> :c
May 24 12:12:43 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: this is the one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.lucasr.pattrn
May 24 12:12:58 <ciurkut> yep
May 24 12:13:00 <ciurkut> its pattrn
May 24 12:13:02 <ciurkut> as i said
May 24 12:13:04 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:13:22 <Ankhwatcher> on my phone i use the photoshere background app, it's cool because it makes use of my pictures
May 24 12:13:37 <Ankhwatcher> because honestly I wouldn't use them otherwise
May 24 12:14:15 <ciurkut> you mean spheres?
May 24 12:14:17 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: well I'm installing the free version of your app on my N7, I'll give it a go
May 24 12:14:18 <ciurkut> that photos
May 24 12:14:20 <ciurkut> 360
May 24 12:15:07 <ciurkut> thx
May 24 12:15:14 <ciurkut> ankhwatcher
May 24 12:15:45 <crised> JakeWharton: ^
May 24 12:15:54 <crised> How can I see the generated code in annotation processing?
May 24 12:16:00 <crised> http://jakewharton.github.io/butterknife/
May 24 12:23:27 <funkbox> with gson, is it possible to have a custom partial deserializer ?
May 24 12:25:48 <Issac> cAN I download whole Official docs so as to work offline?
May 24 12:27:11 <p_l> Issac: yes, in SDK manager
May 24 12:27:38 <Ankhwatcher> ciurkut: so are all the patterns grey?
May 24 12:28:02 <ciurkut> nope :c
May 24 12:28:04 <ciurkut> why gray?
May 24 12:28:15 <ciurkut> those are subtle patterns
May 24 12:28:23 <ciurkut> for some dark ones you have to bump brightness up
May 24 12:28:28 <Ankhwatcher> well the ones I looked at are all monochromatic
May 24 12:28:33 <ciurkut> those are like paper textures
May 24 12:28:40 <ciurkut> carbon fiber textures
May 24 12:28:42 <Ankhwatcher> white, grey, black
May 24 12:28:44 <ciurkut> jeans
May 24 12:28:47 <ciurkut> yep
May 24 12:28:50 <ciurkut> they all are
May 24 12:29:12 <Ankhwatcher> and all the patterns are in the app right?
May 24 12:29:17 <ciurkut> yep
May 24 12:29:21 <ciurkut> i mean
May 24 12:29:26 <ciurkut> you have small file
May 24 12:29:26 <Ankhwatcher> which is why it's so large?
May 24 12:29:37 <ciurkut> and wallpaper gets generated for your screen resolution
May 24 12:29:40 <ciurkut> yep
May 24 12:33:13 <lasserix> cheat calculator heh
May 24 12:35:11 <ciurkut> :C
May 24 12:35:19 <ciurkut> something wrong? :P
May 24 12:35:27 <Gaz`> hmm i thought the whole point of using appt to adjust package name was that u dont need to manually edit things, but my mainfest is complaining about a permission i dont have
May 24 12:36:01 <Gaz`> aapt
May 24 12:36:10 <lasserix> ciurkut i hate clutting any UI with ad but
May 24 12:36:17 <lasserix> preview ad should be near set button
May 24 12:36:21 <lasserix> so people will accidently click it
May 24 12:36:37 <ciurkut> kk
May 24 12:36:38 <lasserix> also, i would drop the ad in a container with a border to offset it visually from your app
May 24 12:36:47 <lasserix> maybe even spanning the horizontal
May 24 12:36:58 <ciurkut> im thinking about making ad like in truck parking 3d
May 24 12:37:04 <ciurkut> so than you click at back button
May 24 12:37:07 <ciurkut> and it shows you add
May 24 12:37:09 <ciurkut> :D
May 24 12:37:10 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:37:14 <ciurkut> its so damn annoying
May 24 12:37:28 <lasserix> you need to fix it so if i rotate it it won't start over
May 24 12:37:29 <ciurkut> but that guys reports about 200$ daily :c
May 24 12:38:19 <Gaz`> anyone used aapt to change package names?
May 24 12:38:26 <Gaz`> like at the end of development
May 24 12:38:33 <lasserix> which truck parking 3d app?
May 24 12:38:59 <ciurkut> first one that shows up
May 24 12:39:00 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:39:04 <lasserix> ideally for such a "simple" app you should use action bar / action bar sherlock to give it that android look
May 24 12:39:41 <lasserix> also some transition would be nice from selection to preview
May 24 12:40:40 <lasserix> you could also implement full screen scrolling by putting a view pager that swipes
May 24 12:41:08 <ciurkut> lasserix what you mean by rotate starts over?
May 24 12:41:13 <ciurkut> you mean that on selection
May 24 12:41:16 <ciurkut> it goes to the top?
May 24 12:41:36 <lasserix> goes to top and the intro pop-up shows up again
May 24 12:41:56 <lasserix> whats worse if i rotate it back and forth, they'll be that x many popups on top of eachother ;p
May 24 12:42:08 <ciurkut> :C
May 24 12:42:10 <ciurkut> okay
May 24 12:42:11 <ciurkut> thanks
May 24 12:42:12 <ciurkut> :)
May 24 12:42:13 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:42:15 <lasserix> np
May 24 12:42:19 <lasserix> i am using n7 btw
May 24 12:42:40 <lasserix> you might have a simple menu system to select "relative row size"
May 24 12:43:11 <ciurkut> wait im writing it all down :C
May 24 12:43:17 <lasserix> you could also have a random button so instead of scrolling i can keep pressing random and it'll randomly sort the list
May 24 12:43:54 <ciurkut> button in actionbar
May 24 12:44:02 <lasserix> just use action bar
May 24 12:44:14 <lasserix> but like you can have home enabled to go back
May 24 12:44:24 <lasserix> like other apps, but you can also move "set" button up to action bar
May 24 12:44:46 <ciurkut> oh
May 24 12:44:47 <Gaz`> this aapt thing is baffling
May 24 12:44:48 <ciurkut> kk
May 24 12:44:50 <lasserix> you can also do "about" and "settings" to link to other apps, your website and set whatever using settings might be useful
May 24 12:44:54 <ciurkut> thats a long list :c
May 24 12:45:23 <lasserix> ciurkut: well it depends on why you are making this app: if you are doing it as part of a portfolio you want to make it fully "featured"
May 24 12:45:37 <lasserix> if you don'
May 24 12:45:45 <ciurkut> k
May 24 12:45:51 <ciurkut> i want to make it fully featured anyway
May 24 12:45:53 <lasserix> 't really care, then don't waste your time you know?
May 24 12:45:53 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:46:14 <lasserix> but the idea is to make it look like a "professional" google app as far as UI patterns
May 24 12:46:42 <ciurkut> okay
May 24 12:46:49 <ciurkut> ill try to do my best
May 24 12:46:56 <ciurkut> in future releases
May 24 12:47:16 <ciurkut> what you mean by relative row size?
May 24 12:47:32 <ciurkut> different row sizes
May 24 12:47:32 <lasserix> finally i think it would be cool--since you have networking permission--to keep track of when people do set that way you can overlay some meta-information (like if that tile is popular or how many times it has been set, if the user has viewed it in preview before, etc) on the full-size preview for each one
May 24 12:47:34 <lasserix> yeah
May 24 12:47:35 <ciurkut> and you can pick one?
May 24 12:47:41 <crised> What triggers an android.accounts.AccountAuthenticator Intent? What kind of action?
May 24 12:47:45 <lasserix> cause on my nexus7 i might want it larger
May 24 12:47:49 <lasserix> but on my phone not so much
May 24 12:47:56 <lasserix> maybe that's overkill though
May 24 12:48:29 <lasserix> but if you plan on expanding the db of patterns, idea is to make it possible for user to tailor their browsing to how they like to browse
May 24 12:48:40 <lasserix> without overwhelming them with options
May 24 12:48:55 <lasserix> hence row size might be one way,
May 24 12:48:58 <ciurkut> ok
May 24 12:49:08 <ciurkut> would simple 2x be enough?
May 24 12:49:12 <ciurkut> i mean row height?
May 24 12:49:17 <lasserix> yeah probably
May 24 12:49:47 <lasserix> again ask yourself: is this choice option going to make a user's life easier or harder to use the app?
May 24 12:50:56 <lasserix> ciurkut on the 3d truck are you talking about the ad that forces me to put an icon on my home screen, a bookmark and a brwoser homepage?
May 24 12:51:08 <ciurkut> nope
May 24 12:51:14 <ciurkut> im talking about ad
May 24 12:51:21 <ciurkut> that when you click back button
May 24 12:51:24 <ciurkut> it displays ad
May 24 12:51:31 <lasserix> ahh
May 24 12:51:32 <ciurkut> but im not sure if thats moral
May 24 12:51:33 <lasserix> that is clever
May 24 12:51:36 <ciurkut> it is
May 24 12:51:44 <ciurkut> but it is kinda too clever
May 24 12:51:49 <lasserix> i would prefer that than forcing an ad inside my app UI
May 24 12:51:58 <lasserix> cause if i spend a month or whatever developing a clean looking app
May 24 12:52:08 <ciurkut> but than normal people would not know how to close app
May 24 12:52:09 <lasserix> the last thing i want to do is drop a shit somewhere on it ;p
May 24 12:52:14 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:52:23 <lasserix> you just make it so they have to click twice, like dismissing
May 24 12:52:25 <ciurkut> i mean its kinda too pushy
May 24 12:52:26 <lasserix> a dialog
May 24 12:52:31 <lasserix> right
May 24 12:52:31 <ciurkut> nope
May 24 12:52:34 <ciurkut> its not like that
May 24 12:52:54 <ciurkut> 1 back: ad... 2 back: back to main menu... 3 back: ad
May 24 12:52:55 <ciurkut> etc
May 24 12:52:55 <lasserix> i wouldn't do it on back button, but i think nag screens are better way to put ads in app without corrupting the app use expirience
May 24 12:53:01 <lasserix> ahh
May 24 12:53:09 <ciurkut> so you cant leave normal way
May 24 12:53:13 <ciurkut> you have to press home
May 24 12:53:22 <ciurkut> but that doesnt kill activity
May 24 12:53:27 <ciurkut> so its kinda weird
May 24 12:53:58 <lasserix> yeah
May 24 12:54:38 <lasserix> anyways good job
May 24 12:54:41 <ciurkut> but 200$ per day... who can argue with that
May 24 12:54:46 <lasserix> heh
May 24 12:54:49 <ciurkut> when i first tried that app
May 24 12:54:55 <lasserix> this is the app you mean https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.experience_game_3d.truck.parking&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5leHBlcmllbmNlX2dhbWVfM2QudHJ1Y2sucGFya2luZyJd ?
May 24 12:55:02 <ciurkut> i displayed ad about 5 times
May 24 12:55:22 <ciurkut> does it have that ad?
May 24 12:55:25 <ciurkut> if no
May 24 12:55:28 <lasserix> i dont know
May 24 12:55:29 <ciurkut> i could messed title up
May 24 12:55:41 <ciurkut> sry
May 24 12:55:42 <lasserix> it wont let me into it w/o installing some shit
May 24 12:55:49 <ciurkut> its truck driving 3d
May 24 12:56:02 <lasserix> oh
May 24 12:56:03 <lasserix> sorry
May 24 12:56:08 <lasserix> driving not parking
May 24 12:56:12 <ciurkut> from fun addicting games
May 24 12:56:33 <ciurkut> check it out
May 24 12:56:35 <ciurkut> :p
May 24 12:56:45 <Gaz`> so one of aapts sole purposes doesnt work when ur using GCM permissions, weird as
May 24 12:56:57 <Gaz`> addicting :)
May 24 12:57:00 <Gaz`> hate that word lol
May 24 12:57:29 <ciurkut> ill better dont ask why
May 24 12:57:30 <ciurkut> :<
May 24 12:57:48 <Gaz`> hehe
May 24 12:57:51 <Gaz`> doesnt make sense
May 24 12:57:56 <Gaz`> well maybe it does to americans
May 24 12:58:15 <Gaz`> anyway im done, too much code, 15 hrs
May 24 13:01:47 <alex____> hi may someone help me? im tryin to follow this http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/building-ui.html but i got stuck. my application always show hello world instead of my design in graphical layout
May 24 13:02:25 <lasserix> alex you using eclipse?
May 24 13:02:51 <Gaz`> you need to do setContentView( your file not theirs )
May 24 13:02:58 <alex____> yes iam
May 24 13:04:06 <lasserix> the file in the res/layout folder you are changing that should reflect your UI, is it as Gaz said, what the line in the activity code in the method onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) { ...  setContentView(R.layout.myview); }
May 24 13:04:20 <lasserix> where myview.xml is the file in the res/layout
May 24 13:04:38 <lasserix> the xml layout that says "hello world" is the default layout supplied when you create a project
May 24 13:05:20 <alex____> when i open res/layout i just find activity_main.xml
May 24 13:05:43 <lasserix> right you can add your new layouts there to try different ones, or you can edit activity_main.xml
May 24 13:06:07 <alex____> i already edit it same as in the tutorial
May 24 13:06:19 <lasserix> ahh okay
May 24 13:06:51 <lasserix> i have found that whenever i modify .xml file in eclipse I have to go to Project->Clean before the code reflects the changes
May 24 13:07:24 <alex____> i never do that, ok i will do it now
May 24 13:07:50 <alex____> now i will run my program
May 24 13:23:56 <Ankhwatcher> how do you stop and start an animation on a widget?
May 24 13:43:25 <openkwaky> Ankhwatcher: you don't
May 24 13:44:15 <Ankhwatcher> openkwaky: I used ic_popup_sync in my widget layout, if you select the widget by dragging it out of the app drawer it starts animating
May 24 13:45:01 <alexfu> Strange. I have a Fragment w/ a ViewPager in it and when I press the back button, the content of the ViewPager blanks out while the Fragment is detached.
May 24 13:46:08 <openkwaky> Ankhwatcher: you have no control on animations in a widget or it is very limited
May 24 14:06:40 <dogan90> Hey
May 24 14:06:44 <dogan90> can you reset a thread?
May 24 14:06:55 <dogan90> and how?
May 24 14:10:29 <BullShark> Eclipse with ADT is saying this API method is depreciated but not telling what replaces it. What replaces this? getApplicationContext().setWallpaper(BitMap);
May 24 14:11:07 <SimonVT> Read the docs
May 24 14:11:13 <SimonVT> They tell
May 24 14:11:30 <BullShark> Eclipse shows the docs
May 24 14:11:45 <BullShark> and it's not there
May 24 14:11:51 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContextWrapper.html#setWallpaper(android.graphics.Bitmap)
May 24 14:11:55 <SimonVT> But it's there
May 24 14:15:37 <dogan90> can you restart a thread???
May 24 14:15:54 <BullShark> it shows in Eclipse this time
May 24 14:15:58 <BullShark> the page must have been updated since i last checked
May 24 14:16:25 <Sambarboz> Somebody know if there is any issue with Image MediaStore/ContentProvider on Nexus devices. I'm running on Galaxy Nexus and it does not work. But when I run on the emulator, it does.
May 24 14:16:53 <dogan90> I am asking again.. Can you restart a thread?
May 24 14:17:03 <dogan90> its not possible right?
May 24 14:17:14 <SimonVT> I see you changed your nick, llhami
May 24 14:17:22 <SimonVT> Wonder why
May 24 14:17:24 <BullShark> dogan90 -> new MyThread()
May 24 14:17:38 <dogan90> So you just make a new intance of it...?
May 24 14:17:44 <BullShark> MyThread() being the class that implements Runnable
May 24 14:17:49 <dogan90> my name is not llhami
May 24 14:17:52 <BullShark> yes, why not?
May 24 14:17:54 <dogan90> its ilhami
May 24 14:18:08 <dogan90> 'I' This is a capital i
May 24 14:18:29 <Ge0rG> there is no "I" in team...
May 24 14:18:40 <BullShark> lol
May 24 14:18:45 <evancharlton> Thanks, michaelnovakjr
May 24 14:18:51 <Sambarboz> Somebody know if there is any issue with Image MediaStore/ContentProvider on Nexus devices. I'm running on Galaxy Nexus and it does not work. But when I run on the emulator, it does.
May 24 14:19:46 <BullShark> i've heard of a galaxy and ive heard of a nexus but not a galaxy nexus
May 24 14:20:32 <SimonVT> Welcome to 1½ year ago, BullShark
May 24 14:20:37 <Sambarboz> Yead.
May 24 14:20:46 <appel1> BullShark: The Nexus released between the Nexus S and Nexus 4..
May 24 14:21:02 <Sambarboz> Galaxy Nexus is the "Nexus 3"
May 24 14:21:10 <Sambarboz> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus_i9250-4219.php
May 24 14:21:23 <BullShark> SimonVT -> i paid no attention to the different android devices until I was able to get one of my own
May 24 14:21:28 <BullShark> Sambarboz -> oh i see
May 24 14:21:49 <Sambarboz> Anyway… Any of you are aware of MediaStore.Images problems on nexus?
May 24 14:21:57 <BullShark> not
May 24 14:22:16 <BullShark> what does logcat tell you
May 24 14:23:10 <Sambarboz> BullShark: Nothing. It just doesn't load the images.
May 24 14:23:25 <Sambarboz> The app don't crash.
May 24 14:23:53 <BullShark> no warning or error message even?
May 24 14:24:27 <Sambarboz> Nope :(
May 24 14:25:58 <Zenol> Hi,
May 24 14:26:15 <Zenol> I have a question about androis'VM.
May 24 14:26:47 <Zenol> Are there a data structure, more or less like arrays, that will be good to make a "one piece" allocation. I could do it by using the NDK (maybe I should...), but It would be better if I can do that using only java (because I'm using some kind of cross plateform library) )
May 24 14:27:39 <BullShark> how can i be having this error when the app does launch from eclipse? [2013-05-24 09:24:54 - Unexpected error while launching logcat. Try reselecting the device.] device not found
May 24 14:27:41 <BullShark> com.android.ddmlib.AdbCommandRejectedException: device not found
May 24 14:34:59 <dogan90> Hey
May 24 14:35:04 <dogan90> how are you?
May 24 14:35:25 <BullShark> is Android Studio going to replace Eclipse with ADT?
May 24 14:35:36 <dogan90> Yes
May 24 14:35:58 <dogan90> Eclipse is really bad...
May 24 14:36:07 <SimonVT> No, both will be maintained
May 24 14:36:17 <dogan90> I am talking about usage
May 24 14:36:19 <drudge> the sessions all mentioned parallel tracks for AS and eclipse
May 24 14:36:28 <dogan90> People wont use Eclipse anymore  I think
May 24 14:36:30 <BullShark> what is the difference between IntelliJ IDEA with Android Support and Android Studio?
May 24 14:36:41 <drudge> BullShark: deeper android integration
May 24 14:36:48 <SimonVT> Intellij can do more than just android
May 24 14:37:47 <p_l> BullShark: AndroidStudio, in a way, got the Android support from IDEA 13
May 24 14:37:57 <BullShark> can you just add something to intellij to have the same thing similar to how you can add the adt plugin with android sdk to eclipse classic and have the same thing as the adt-eclipse-bundle?
May 24 14:38:25 <p_l> BullShark: not in 12.x, 13's Android plugin has the stuff from AndroidStudio
May 24 14:40:19 <dogan90> What do you think about GraphView lib?
May 24 14:40:52 <SimonVT> It's a library that does graphs
May 24 14:41:41 <dogan90> Is it the best out there?
May 24 14:41:49 <dogan90> best one*
May 24 14:44:33 <monsti> that happens very very rarely here
May 24 14:44:35 <BullShark> not sure how he got back in. i didn't see a join message since the last time he was kicked.
May 24 14:48:23 <xor42> speaking of Android Studio. I installed it yesterday on my linux box at home and everything works except that the android tools are missing from the tools menu. They are installed and I can run them from the command line they just won't show up in the menu. Anyone has/had the same problem and was able to resolve it?
May 24 14:48:46 <BullShark> does the Activity.onCreate() method get called again when changing the screen orientation? i have a splash screen that plays a sound clip with MediaPlayer from the onCreate method. When I change the orientation, I have the sound clip being played twice and another one for each screen orientation change.
May 24 14:49:22 <BullShark> xor42 -> it's still in beta. i would expect some bugs.
May 24 14:50:03 <xor42> BullShark: ye thats what i thought :-). Must be a linux specific bug since the mac version i use at work is ok
May 24 14:52:12 <BullShark> xor42 -> i would file a bug report or if one already exists, let them know the bug also affects you.
May 24 14:55:12 <BullShark> xor42 -> google took so long to fix a bug for the adt-eclipse-bundle that I just downloaded Eclipse from eclipse.org, added the SDK and ADT plugin to it. I had been thinking the modified Eclipse gave some features for android that weren't available without it, but that wasn't the case. Adding any plugins other than using the ones included like EGit and Vrapper broke adt-eclipse-bundle.
May 24 14:56:06 <BullShark> xor42 -> it was a bug reported for the linux version so i guess they are giving Linux low priority. However some said they were using windows and they were affected too.
May 24 15:05:56 <xor42> BullShark: thanks for the info. I'll file a bug report.
May 24 15:13:05 <ojacobson> Are there RPMs for the SDK for CentOS somewhere? I'm tired of the various build tools trying to update themselves on our jenkins servers.
May 24 15:13:28 <ojacobson> (specifically, I'm annoyed that lint is trying to create .../android-sdk-linux/build-tools/ when it runs, and it's breaking the build since the SDK is not installed as the jenkins user.)
May 24 15:14:41 <BullShark> not that i know of. it is in the repositories for Linux Mint which uses some of the same ones Ubuntu uses
May 24 15:15:12 <ojacobson> damn.
May 24 15:15:29 <ojacobson> Any idea how to address this? http://hastebin.com/kuyilahaci.vbs
May 24 15:15:43 <ojacobson> /opt/android-sdk-linux is owned by root, and does not let jenkins scribble on it
May 24 15:15:52 <ojacobson> a state of affairs I'd prefer to keep
May 24 15:31:08 <BullShark> does the Activity.onCreate() method get called again when changing the screen orientation? i have a splash screen that plays a sound clip with MediaPlayer from the onCreate method. When I change the orientation, I have the sound clip being played twice and another one for each screen orientation change.
May 24 15:31:42 <BullShark> i believe a screen orientation changes triggers an onPause() even. so is onCreate always followed by onPause()?
May 24 15:32:33 <SimonVT> Yes. The old instance is destroyed and a new is created
May 24 15:32:38 <BullShark> then how should i prevent the MediaPlayer sound clip from being played twice from the onCreate()
May 24 15:32:42 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/runtime-changes.html
May 24 15:32:48 <Brian|CB> BullShark: Yeah, it's kind of silly, but the activity is recreated on screen rotations
May 24 15:32:57 <BullShark> then how should i prevent the MediaPlayer sound clip from being played twice from the onCreate()
May 24 15:33:04 <Brian|CB> if you look at the activity lifecycle diagram, I believe its shjown there
May 24 15:33:10 <SimonVT> Don't play it again if it's already playing
May 24 15:33:36 <shmooz> or you can set a flag saying already played
May 24 15:34:41 <BullShark> ok, just make a boolean
May 24 15:34:43 <BullShark> i see
May 24 15:35:24 <under> guys.
May 24 15:41:47 <canadiancow> BullShark, don't use a splash screen
May 24 15:41:51 <canadiancow> they're bad
May 24 15:42:19 <ciurkut> anyone wants to bump my post at xda developers?
May 24 15:42:22 <ciurkut> i mean my thread? :P
May 24 15:42:25 <ciurkut> with my app?
May 24 15:42:31 <canadiancow> not really...
May 24 15:42:37 <canadiancow> and not sure what that has to do with android-dev :P
May 24 15:42:55 <ojacobson> wow, a noise-making splash screen
May 24 15:43:09 <canadiancow> more like a super annoying annoying-screen
May 24 15:43:20 <canadiancow> ive actaully uninstalled apps because of their splash screen before
May 24 15:43:30 <canadiancow> one time i was in ahurry, opened an app, saw the splash screen for a second
May 24 15:43:35 <canadiancow> and i just got so fed up i closed it and uninstalled
May 24 15:44:12 <SpeedEvil> as a developer, it's a valuable way to save the user the time needed to evaluate the app
May 24 15:44:56 <canadiancow> lol?
May 24 15:45:27 <canadiancow> |0xD34D|, can you please settle on a name :P
May 24 15:45:35 <|0xD34D|> nope
May 24 15:45:50 <BullShark> canadiancow -> the splash screen is nothing more than part of a tutorial i am following.
May 24 15:46:13 <evanc> canadiancow: I love when you see the splash screen, give up, press "Home" to get on with your life. They don't cancel their runnable and it pops up the real app after the delay (on top of whatever else you're now doing) ಠ_ಠ
May 24 15:46:22 <evanc> BullShark: follow a different tutorial :/
May 24 15:46:51 <canadiancow> evanc ugh
May 24 15:46:53 <canadiancow> dont get me started
May 24 15:47:08 <BullShark> SimonVT and shmooz -> would this be the correct way to do what you guys said? http://vpaste.net/LTNKO
May 24 15:47:09 <SimonVT> evanc: Ever better when it shows the splash screen, shows the main activity.. You press back, and it shows the splash screen again
May 24 15:47:15 <evanc> SimonVT: hahah
May 24 15:47:44 <BullShark> evanc -> already on video 51 of 200, don't want to start all over from the beginning
May 24 15:48:42 <SimonVT> BullShark: Orientation changes creates a completely new instance of your activity
May 24 15:48:53 <BullShark> SimonVT -> no, you add android:noHistory="true" in the manifest to prevent the back button from showing the splash screen again. that causes the activity to get pushed off the stack and finish() called on it
May 24 15:49:36 <BullShark> SimonVT -> then what is the solution =/
May 24 15:50:24 <BullShark> SimonVT -> make the boolean static?
May 24 15:50:30 <shmooz> in that case you can check isPlaying() flag of MediaPlayer to do it
May 24 15:51:02 <BullShark> yeah if i had reference to that object
May 24 15:51:26 <BullShark> but it was created from another instance/object of a class
May 24 15:54:29 <BullShark> so why not just make that boolean calledOnce static?
May 24 15:56:11 <crised> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/accounts/AccountManager.html#confirmCredentials(android.accounts.Account, android.os.Bundle, android.app.Activity, android.accounts.AccountManagerCallback<android.os.Bundle>, android.os.Handler)
May 24 15:56:51 <crised> Can anyone explain me the role of AccountManagerCallback y handler?
May 24 15:57:36 <BullShark> shmooz -> or should i make the MediaPlayer object static so i can have reference to it from the new instance of the class caused by screen orientation change?
May 24 16:00:48 <ojacobson> mmph
May 24 16:00:52 <ojacobson> the android sdk sure is automation-hostile
May 24 16:01:29 <ojacobson> anyone have any suggestions on either (A) how to install it via puppet or (B) how to have Jenkins install it automatically, for a project that's using maven (and therefore has no project.properties file, which the Jenkins plugins I found all require)?
May 24 16:01:45 <shmooz> BullShark: you should have some widget like a button or list to trigger it , instance the object at onCreate and play it on triggering the widget, and then you can check stuff at onConfigurationChanged to stay consistent on rotation
May 24 16:05:06 <Brian|CB> Anyone here ever have issues getting a device to be recognized for USB debugging?
May 24 16:05:41 <BullShark> what is a list widget
May 24 16:05:52 <BullShark> Brian|CB -> have you enabled usb debugging on the device?
May 24 16:06:08 <BullShark> and restarted adb
May 24 16:07:57 <Brian|CB> BullShark: I plugged it into a different computer, then back to mine
May 24 16:07:58 <Brian|CB> now it work
May 24 16:08:00 <Brian|CB> works*
May 24 16:08:02 <Brian|CB> gypsy magic
May 24 16:08:55 <BullShark> i need some of the gypsy magic
May 24 16:12:42 <Brian|CB> BullShark: Whats your issue?
May 24 16:12:44 <Brian|CB> maybe I cna help
May 24 16:14:05 <BullShark> Brian|CB -> it might be solved. i just need to try something in the code and see if that solves it. before i was unaware that a screen orientation changed caused a new instance of the Activity to be created thus also calling the onCreate() method again
May 24 16:15:07 <Brian|CB> ah
May 24 16:15:09 <Brian|CB> yeah
May 24 16:15:11 <Brian|CB> thats frustrating
May 24 16:15:39 <Brian|CB> Protip: If loading data asynchronously, use loaders when possible.  They can avoid the restarting of data transmissions when screens rotate.
May 24 16:17:30 <BullShark> ok thanks. ill jot that down in my notes.
May 24 16:27:31 <IrishGringo> has anyone tried ANDROID STUDIO yet?   I just installed it on MAC
May 24 16:27:41 <BullShark> of course
May 24 16:27:54 <BullShark> if you scroll back, there was just another discussion on it
May 24 16:27:56 <kakazza> Some PEOPLE tried it ALREADY. On VARIOUS PCS
May 24 16:28:30 <stork> i haven't TRIED IT yet
May 24 16:29:10 <SimonVT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8
May 24 16:29:11 <Tecan> (7pdWAcK6Eh8) "Anchorman Brick Tamland: I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT / LOUD NOISES" by "Alex Davidson" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:00:08
May 24 16:29:18 <SimonVT> wat
May 24 16:29:55 <IrishGringo> I'm not sure why people are yelling either
May 24 16:30:14 <IrishGringo> but I just logged on, and apparently I just missed a conversation about it.
May 24 16:30:25 <kakazza> Do you have any specific questions?
May 24 16:30:31 <kakazza> Otherwise your answer is "Yes"
May 24 16:31:08 <IrishGringo> I have lots of specific questions...  But I am an iOS developer, so need to play a little with it today.
May 24 16:31:59 <IrishGringo> I have a hello world app running by it on my HTC... but the file layout looks diff than the eclipse version
May 24 16:32:22 <IrishGringo> is AS ready to use?
May 24 16:32:31 <canadiancow> it's a developer preview
May 24 16:32:41 <IrishGringo> so dont use it?
May 24 16:32:41 <canadiancow> it should work fine for "simple" apps (by my definition of "simple")
May 24 16:32:45 <kakazza> By File Layout you mean...?
May 24 16:32:50 <canadiancow> it's going to be a better experience than eclipse
May 24 16:33:19 <IrishGringo> yea...   if I am just learning, should I start with AS or Eclipse?
May 24 16:36:05 <kakazza> Hard to tell. AS is definitely the IDE to use in the future. But it _is_ a preview and thus maybe has less support (especially less answered SO questions).
May 24 16:37:59 <Brian|CB> IrishGringo: Learn Eclipse first
May 24 16:38:10 <Brian|CB> Android Studio is nowhere near production, it's still in the early phases
May 24 16:38:20 <Brian|CB> I'd expect Android Studio to be an industry standard in maybe like 6 months
May 24 16:38:21 <Brian|CB> but not now
May 24 16:38:46 <Brian|CB> it's much easier to do a lot of important things like link libraries and such in eclipse, so dont bother with studio till it gets the basic stuff like that right
May 24 16:38:46 <IrishGringo> thanks...  AS does look sexxy....   almost as nice as xCODE...  ;)
May 24 16:39:24 <kakazza> Except that the text editor is probably superior. Xcode is the only IDE that (for me, personally) lacks a lot of hotkeys I have in all my other editors.
May 24 16:39:55 <kakazza> But I don't want to go into that. Xcode is very nice in most other regards.
May 24 16:41:50 <Brian|CB> If I could just slap sublime into the Android Studio, while maintaining the library imports of eclpise, I'd switch in a heartbeat
May 24 16:42:00 <IrishGringo> very stup question... But I am reinstalling eclipse...   should I use 32 bit or 64 bit?
May 24 16:42:06 <Brian|CB> xCode is great if you like developing for closed systems
May 24 16:42:11 <IrishGringo> on MAC
May 24 16:42:11 <Brian|CB> I can't do it, it just seems silly
May 24 16:42:23 <Brian|CB> IrishGringo: It depends, is your CPU 32 or 64 bit?
May 24 16:42:33 <IrishGringo> 64   i5
May 24 16:42:52 <Brian|CB> then 64
May 24 16:42:53 <Brian|CB> ol
May 24 16:42:55 <Brian|CB> lol*
May 24 16:43:25 <IrishGringo> yea... I would have guessed that...  thanks...
May 24 16:44:24 <IrishGringo> is there an android lib that auto synchs to google APP Engine Databases?  like auomgically?
May 24 16:44:38 <IrishGringo> for database synching?
May 24 16:45:05 <Brian|CB> IrishGringo: What are you trying to integrate between android and app engine?  Cause I have been doing a lot of cross platform work
May 24 16:45:20 <Brian|CB> but usually what I do is create a REST API on the app engine server, and interact via json put/get requests on my android app
May 24 16:47:04 <IrishGringo> well,  I have been doing couchDB stuff synching to iOS... and I am thinking that google has probably integrated a DB synch feature between GAE and android
May 24 16:47:30 <IrishGringo> i was thinking of just a slave DB on the mobile devices.
May 24 17:33:12 <wviana> Hello
May 24 17:33:15 <pent0r> hello
May 24 17:33:54 <pent0r> anyone know a good UML editor plugin for ADT similar to Visual Studio's C# ?
May 24 17:34:30 <Brian|CB> pent0r: Are you trying to do android with C#?
May 24 17:34:34 <Brian|CB> if so, may I ask why?
May 24 17:34:40 <pent0r> I am not
May 24 17:34:40 <Brian|CB> oh
May 24 17:34:41 <Brian|CB> wait
May 24 17:34:42 <Brian|CB> i misread
May 24 17:34:54 <Brian|CB> youw ant something similar to, not C#
May 24 17:34:57 <pent0r> I just like the designing of classes in the UML
May 24 17:35:08 <pent0r> quickly adding atributes and methods that way
May 24 17:35:23 <pent0r> na dhaving the class code be generated for me
May 24 17:35:29 <Brian|CB> I've never used a UML honestly, they always seemed sort silly and frivelous
May 24 17:35:32 <pent0r> and then adding my code in
May 24 17:35:38 <Brian|CB> also, stuff that involves drawing out I prefer to do via whiteboard
May 24 17:35:55 <Brian|CB> but I don't believe their is a solution like that for android
May 24 17:35:56 <Brian|CB> D:
May 24 17:36:04 <pent0r> ADT drag n drop design is like a very crippled version of the C# flow :)
May 24 17:36:06 <pent0r> imho ofc
May 24 17:36:26 <pent0r> it makes things sooo much faster
May 24 17:37:12 <wviana> pent0r: Hey, I like to use Astah UML
May 24 17:37:34 <pent0r> wviana: does it compare to C#'s ?
May 24 17:37:47 <wviana> pent0r: there is a way to import java code and auto create the diagrams
May 24 17:37:57 <pent0r> ah yeah
May 24 17:38:00 <wviana> pent0r: Sorry, I don't know C#'s
May 24 17:38:04 <pent0r> that's all pretty but i want the opposite
May 24 17:38:18 <pent0r> I want to think and design my model visually
May 24 17:38:29 <pent0r> and have the UML create the bulk code
May 24 17:38:43 <pent0r> getters and setters
May 24 17:38:51 <wviana> yes, it does de opposite but is a little hard to understand,
May 24 17:38:51 <pent0r> and method signatures
May 24 17:39:08 <pent0r> alright, I shall give it a look, thanks
May 24 17:39:12 <wviana> pent0r: end I know that it works with java, I had never tested in Android
May 24 17:49:10 <svm_invictvs> I have and an ImageView inside a FrameLayout.  I want the TextView to be semi-transparent and render over top of the image view (occupying the entire view).  I set the ImageView to match_parent, but that doesn't seem to do the job because the TextView just renders arbitrarily wide.  Is there a better way to to dhis?
May 24 17:49:15 <svm_invictvs> *this
May 24 17:55:19 <wviana> svm_invictvs: android:layout_alignTop="@+id/your_icon_id"
May 24 17:55:43 <wviana> svm_invictvs: sorry, i don't know if I understand rigth
May 24 17:55:52 <svm_invictvs> sec, let me post code.
May 24 17:56:40 <wviana> svm_invictvs: do u want this imageView like a background of the textView ?
May 24 17:56:57 <svm_invictvs> http://mysticpaste.com/view/XI8meB7meN?5
May 24 17:57:15 <svm_invictvs> Kind of, I want the text view just to be a bar at the top that's semi-transparent.
May 24 17:57:24 <svm_invictvs> I dont' want the text view to occupy the entire view.
May 24 17:57:57 <wviana> just a secont, I'll test it here
May 24 17:58:20 <svm_invictvs> WHat I've got works just fine, except that horizontially the text view does not occupy the entire width.  And when it does, it's only because the text exceeds width.
May 24 17:59:44 <svm_invictvs> I'm thinking that maybe using the FrameLayout is a poor life decision.  Maybe a relativeLayout is a better choice.
May 24 18:00:39 <stork> framelayout is kind of a niche layout component
May 24 18:00:43 <stork> very basic
May 24 18:00:44 <svm_invictvs> Yeah
May 24 18:01:11 <svm_invictvs> Note, I didn't select it.  I was given this code, so I was just tryint to hack what was there. but it says that framelayout is really only for one view
May 24 18:01:16 <svm_invictvs> So...
May 24 18:01:18 <svm_invictvs> Let me fiddle with it.
May 24 18:01:26 <SimonVT> FrameLayout is fine for this case
May 24 18:01:42 <SimonVT> Or rather, it's the right layout
May 24 18:02:19 <funkbox> SimonVT: have you found a way to log crap to logcat with retrofit?
May 24 18:02:37 <SimonVT> Log.d(TAG, "crap")
May 24 18:02:48 <stork> disclaimer: i didn't read the scrollback so my comment has no context, possibly framelayout was right in your case
May 24 18:03:07 <funkbox> SimonVT: setting a logger on the RestAdapter.Builder does not actually log the requests
May 24 18:03:07 <SimonVT> You'll have to be more specific
May 24 18:05:00 <SimonVT> Tried calling setDebug as well?
May 24 18:05:53 <SimonVT> Anyway, I'm not sure what it's supposed to log anyway
May 24 18:07:30 <svm_invictvs> SimonVT: Yeah, but I'm having trouble getting the text to behave correctly ><
May 24 18:07:43 <wviana> svm_invictvs: take a look https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ffbe0e7ae13bf77c5546
May 24 18:08:06 <wviana> svm_invictvs: I did with a relative layout
May 24 18:08:42 <svm_invictvs> wviana: Let me give that a shot.  Thanks!
May 24 18:09:23 <conor_f> noobish question: When should I have a new activity versus just making different things visible/gone?
May 24 18:09:24 <SimonVT> svm_invictvs: How does it behave them
May 24 18:09:28 <SimonVT> s/them/then/
May 24 18:09:35 <wviana> svm_invictvs: please, anything please put my name in menssage ;)
May 24 18:10:00 <svm_invictvs> SimonVT: The text view doesn't fully occupy the parent view.
May 24 18:10:08 <svm_invictvs> SimonVT: Left to right at least.
May 24 18:11:52 <SimonVT> That's probably happen if the framelayout was wrap_content
May 24 18:13:29 <SimonVT> But if you're somehow inflating it as wrap_content (I don't know what the parent view is), you should set the fixed size on it instead of the imageview
May 24 18:18:25 <wviana> There is any way to decide what layout to put in a contentView in onCreate ???
May 24 18:18:33 <canadiancow> wat
May 24 18:19:03 <SimonVT> Just pass it a layout you decided
May 24 18:25:33 <wviana> SimonVT: when I put if it stops work look the code https://gist.github.com/anonymous/020074b0f64ef6ed6de9
May 24 18:26:06 <SimonVT> You don't compare strings with ==
May 24 18:26:13 <SimonVT> You compare strings with .equals
May 24 18:28:49 <wviana> sure ! kkkk, I just forget it
May 24 18:28:54 <wviana> SimonVT:  thanks
May 24 18:29:02 <wviana> SimonVT: sorry this
May 24 18:46:22 <Assault> hi, I recently installed android SDK and now when i connect my galaxy tab 2 in the USB port (im on Windows 7) the device is not recognized...what gives?
May 24 18:46:36 <Assault> before installing the SDK it worked like charm
May 24 18:47:42 <monsti> you might check the device manager
May 24 18:47:55 <monsti> if the tab 2 is recogniced as ADB
May 24 18:58:26 <napland_sean_> hello folks, I'm wondering if someone can help me with an issue I'm having in Eclipse
May 24 18:58:53 <conor_f> maybe if you describe it ;)
May 24 18:59:24 <monsti> lol my 2.5" disk has 27000 hours of operation ;)
May 24 18:59:25 <xtristan> I need some help with the android command line utility.  I've tried to do an `android --clear-cache` (can't get ui to stay suppressed) and more importantly, `android list sdk` won't show android 4.2.2 (API 17) or android 4.1.2 (API 16)
May 24 18:59:37 <wviana> How can I define a style to all xml components of a layout ? because I have 3 layouts that changes just string values
May 24 18:59:43 <xtristan> pastebin in case i'm doing something silly on the command line http://pastebin.com/vsTvjWCY
May 24 18:59:51 <napland_sean_> I have one package using MyFacebookActivity.java and then I have a FacebookSDK package. I'm getting an error saying thet the build path is incpomplete and cannot find the class file android.support.v4.app.Fragment
May 24 19:00:24 <napland_sean_> I've tried removing  that dependency from the facebookSDK package and then adding it as an external library, but no success
May 24 19:01:55 <xtristan> The sdks will show up in the GUI, but not in the command line list
May 24 19:02:00 <xtristan> Thoughts/ideas/help?
May 24 19:04:23 <xtristan> Nevermind. Will skip the utility and just nuke $(HOME)/.android/cache
May 24 19:20:34 <napland_sean_> guess this place is a waste of time
May 24 19:28:52 <funkbox> any of you using picasso? does it work with remoteviews?
May 24 19:29:39 <JakeWharton> funkbox: not yet
May 24 19:30:29 <funkbox> any eta? i'd like to replace my image loading stuff with picasso
May 24 19:31:43 <JakeWharton> funkbox: haven't even begun to look at it. Add a widget to the sample app, send a pull request, and I'll do it today :)
May 24 19:32:03 <passeride> hello, is there somone whom could help me with some intent trouble?
May 24 19:32:14 <funkbox> JakeWharton: hah okay
May 24 19:32:31 <funkbox> JakeWharton: what i have now for async loading images into widgets is pretty involved
May 24 19:32:39 <passeride> ok, it's simple. i got a SplashScreen, and i would like the "Back" button to ignore it
May 24 19:32:52 <passeride> and just quit the app when i back from the next activity
May 24 19:33:34 <JakeWharton> Call finish after startactivity
May 24 19:34:15 <passeride> Thanks  :)
May 24 19:35:26 <passeride> awesome :)
May 24 19:35:33 <Mavrik> there's also a clear task intent flag for 4.x+
May 24 19:36:37 <passeride> i c, but i'm having some trouble with my intents allways creating a new intent. even if i got Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_REORDER_TO_FRONT flag
May 24 19:49:49 <beastmanrage> do you guys think Communication is an appropriate category for this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.demarco.rotaryphone
May 24 19:55:45 <BustyLoli-Chan> ok... so I have two fragment tab hosts... one tab host drawn right inside the other for some reason the second tab widget doesn't draw but the actual content is drawn... any help is appreciated
May 24 19:56:24 <BustyLoli-Chan> main activity http://pastebin.com/J1R3JZ8g ... second tab hosting fragment http://pastebin.com/x4gS2e26 picture of what actually happens https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971049_4933619498936_778183078_n.jpg
May 24 19:56:26 <stork> still on the tab hosts then?
May 24 19:56:34 <BustyLoli-Chan> yes
May 24 19:56:46 <BustyLoli-Chan> it draws the tab content... and the second tab hosts content
May 24 19:57:02 <BustyLoli-Chan> but the widget itself doesn't actually seem to draw for some reason so you can't choose your second tab
May 24 19:57:53 <Fandroid> Just wanna say: BustyLoli-Chan is an awesome nick.
May 24 19:58:19 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't know if there is a place where I can specify what the second tabHosts widget should be or what is actually going wrong, all I know is I've googled over and over and am led back to the same dead end articles...
May 24 19:58:22 <BustyLoli-Chan> and thank you, I try
May 24 19:58:48 <tortal> gmaps/google-play-services was updated: anyone know where to read the changes on gmaps api ? can't seem to find any changelog on the official site
May 24 20:02:56 <tortal> nvm, found it: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/releases#may_2013
May 24 20:09:54 <BustyLoli-Chan> so I take it nobody really knows? :\
May 24 20:10:10 <stork> it's a strange problem using antiquated components
May 24 20:10:24 <pent0r> anyone know a good UML editor plugin for ADT similar to Visual Studio's C#  that allows for class and atribute and method creationg and will create java code from the UML diagram?
May 24 20:11:42 <pent0r> and that is free
May 24 20:46:30 <pent0r> anyone know a good UML editor free plugin for ADT similar to Visual Studio's C#  that allows for class and atribute and method creationg and will create java code from the UML diagram?
May 24 20:47:37 <canadiancow> have you tried google?
May 24 20:48:22 <Napalm> canadiancow: wow you mean google now does search? next you'll be telling me they do email :D
May 24 20:48:30 <Napalm> hehe, hows things dude?
May 24 20:50:37 <BustyLoli-Chan> I DEEEEEEEED IT
May 24 20:51:57 <BustyLoli-Chan> FUCKING GENIUS .... I swear to god I love coding... that feeling when you finally achieve what it is you are trying to do... That moment when 8 hours of banging your head against the wall finally pays off, because you can see the live result of that persistence...
May 24 20:56:02 <BustyLoli-Chan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/263333_4933879545437_1978304481_n.jpg
May 24 20:56:42 <SimonVT> You should re-think your navigation :f
May 24 20:58:07 <Fandroid> Yeah.
May 24 20:58:11 <Fandroid> That's pretty bad.
May 24 20:58:14 <kit73> i want to do an application that acts like a regular phone call but then has some options for interpreting and recording the phone audio. I have done regular apps before but I don't know what libraries or examples to use for this. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
May 24 21:00:57 <canadiancow> BustyLoli-Chan, didn't we tell you not to do nested tabs
May 24 21:01:02 <canadiancow> you dawg, i heard you like tabs
May 24 21:01:03 <darken> So i figured this beta publish out, after uploading a beta you have to press publish and safe before switching to any other view, else the uploaded beta gets set as production...
May 24 21:01:05 <canadiancow> so i put a tab in your tab
May 24 21:01:09 <kit73> i am finding this is a hard thing to search for
May 24 21:02:58 <BustyLoli-Chan> I told you... it's to mirror the website
May 24 21:03:42 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't make the punctuation rules. I just punctuation enforce them, period.
May 24 21:06:54 <canadiancow> punctuation?
May 24 21:07:13 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCHN3YPZv1g
May 24 21:07:41 <canadiancow> im not watching that
May 24 21:07:55 <BustyLoli-Chan> it's where the joke comes from...
May 24 21:08:05 <BustyLoli-Chan> and it's like 39 seconds of your life
May 24 21:09:26 <pragma-> ain't nobody got time fo' dat
May 24 21:10:16 <Fandroid> ^
May 24 21:11:42 <kit73> does anyone know how to access the audio stream on an android phone (when talking or listening on the phone)?
May 24 21:14:17 <kit73> i am looking through the developer apis to see how to access the audio during a phone call and not finding anything. Anyone have suggestions?
May 24 21:14:51 <tophyr> kit73: you might be able to acquire the mic, but i'd bet decent money that there is no way to acquire the speaker side of the phone
May 24 21:15:07 <tophyr> it'd be sandboxed inside the Phone app
May 24 21:16:07 <kit73> tophyr: thanks for the thoughts on this. much appreciated.
May 24 21:16:29 <tophyr> kit73: unless.. are you looking to make your own Phone app? i may have misunderstood
May 24 21:16:49 <tophyr> you can't directly intercept the streams used by Phone.apk, but if you're making your own phone app, it'd be free game
May 24 21:16:49 <kit73> yeah, i would like to do my own phone app.
May 24 21:16:55 <tophyr> oh, ok
May 24 21:17:42 <kit73> my own phone app that inserts sounds into the outgoing audio and interprets the incoming audio with some signal processing
May 24 21:18:29 <kit73> if it would be free game, then do you know how i would access the in/out audio?
May 24 21:18:46 <JesusFreke> kit73: you can't access the audio streams for voice calls
May 24 21:18:52 <tophyr> kit73: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Phone
May 24 21:19:21 <tophyr> JesusFreke: interesting
May 24 21:20:19 <g00s> JesusFreke: this topic has come up over the years, i even remember ctate saying it wasn't possible; but i thought there was an app on the market that did this - but phone needed to be rooted
May 24 21:20:50 <JesusFreke> g00s: maybe - but it would likely be device-specific
May 24 21:21:14 <kit73> tophyr: excellent. I believe this is what I was looking for
May 24 21:21:25 <JesusFreke> I know on some (most?) devices, the mic/speaker use a completely different audio path for audio
May 24 21:22:00 <tophyr> glad i could help :) good luck.
May 24 21:22:04 <JesusFreke> the android system simply doesn't have access to that audio - it gets hooked up directly to the modem
May 24 21:22:32 <SimonVT> It used to require a kernel change on some devices at least
May 24 21:22:39 <g00s> interesting, so most of Haswell's efficiency gains come from moving the voltage regulator on chip (FIVR, full integrated vr)
May 24 21:23:24 <pragma-> ctate often says a lot of things aren't possible, when they in fact are possible on rooted devices.
May 24 21:24:09 <kit73> In worse case, I could make my app be a VOIP app, and it looks like there is plenty of examples for that
May 24 21:25:23 <JesusFreke> kit73: yeah, voip might be feasible
May 24 21:26:38 * g00s hopes ctate is doing well, haven't seen him here for a while
May 24 21:27:42 <tophyr> pragma-: well.. in that sense, to his credit there is very, very little that's *not* possible, it just becomes a question of "how far down this rabbit hole do you want to go"
May 24 21:28:39 <SimonVT> What's possible with root is only relevant for a small amount of people
May 24 21:30:40 <kit73> Let me get this straight, the phone app manages the phone but doesn't have any ability to manipulate the incoming or outgoing audio?
May 24 21:31:14 <kit73> if that's true then I need to drop using the regular phone and investigate VOIP
May 24 21:32:38 <kit73> actually, that sucks though because I want this app usable in places where cell phone is available but data bandwidth may be limited...
May 24 21:33:27 <kit73> what about using native code and then having to do it for individual hardware (configuration mess I know)?
May 24 21:43:22 <tophyr> kit73: sounds like it's time to download AOSP and look at how telephony works heh
May 24 21:44:35 <kit73> tophyr: yeah, i guess so
May 24 21:47:39 <P3nnyw1se> guys have does the value work when support more languages.. meaning the standard folder
May 24 21:47:48 <kit73> actually i found something, looks like MediaRecorder has the phone audio as an option. That may be workable
May 24 21:47:51 <P3nnyw1se> should the standard folder always be English ?
May 24 21:48:10 <P3nnyw1se> or the language I assume will be most used
May 24 21:48:23 <Mavrik> the language which users of unsupported locales expect it to be
May 24 21:48:30 <Mavrik> usually english is a good default :)
May 24 21:49:49 <P3nnyw1se> So Just make a values-es etc. and write in spanish sentences on my strings
May 24 21:49:52 <P3nnyw1se> nothing more to it than that `?
May 24 21:50:21 <JakeWharton> basically
May 24 21:51:00 <P3nnyw1se> basically as in.. there is something more to it ?
May 24 21:51:35 <SimonVT> kit73: Pretty sure that doesn't work
May 24 21:52:23 <SimonVT> The phone audio sources that is
May 24 21:52:25 <pent0r> none of you guys does UML class design?
May 24 21:52:30 <JakeWharton> P3nnyw1se: basically as in "that's the basic principle". the resource qualification system is a lot more powerful as well
May 24 21:52:51 <kit73> simonvt: thanks for the warning on that.
May 24 21:52:56 * pent0r slits wrists at lacking adt UML tools
May 24 21:53:18 <JakeWharton> lol UML
May 24 21:53:23 <pent0r> ikr
May 24 21:53:30 <P3nnyw1se> English isn't a first language to me.. what would be ehm.. the correct term if you wanted a purchase delivered.. like if you checked a box
May 24 21:53:35 <P3nnyw1se> delivery wished? .. delivery wanted.
May 24 21:53:35 <P3nnyw1se> mmm
May 24 21:53:40 * pent0r <3 C#
May 24 21:53:44 <JakeWharton> delivery requested
May 24 21:53:48 <P3nnyw1se> thx
May 24 21:53:53 <JakeWharton> C# is orthogonal to UML
May 24 21:53:53 <pent0r> actually scrap that
May 24 21:54:19 * pent0r <3 Visual Studio Design View UML-into-code-kthx-bai
May 24 21:54:26 <P3nnyw1se> got a few of these Jack
May 24 21:54:39 <P3nnyw1se> desired time? .. like the actual time for it to be delivered
May 24 21:56:26 <pent0r> JakeWharton: are you a disbeliver in the power of the UML design integration C# has?
May 24 21:57:14 <JakeWharton> is that the crap they force you to use when design the ORM mapping in the Entity Framework?
May 24 21:57:44 <JakeWharton> because if so, it's a giant pain in the ass and a waste of time
May 24 21:58:04 <P3nnyw1se> how would you do a hint if you wanted the user to input the time of day he would want a delivery
May 24 21:58:29 <JakeWharton> it's one of those things you suck at, you become a mediocre programmer and think it's amazing, and then you become a good programmer and realize it's a wasted abstraction that causes more problems than it solves
May 24 21:59:25 <pent0r> how is design modeling speed it enables a waste
May 24 21:59:59 <pent0r> ADT is a half-assed implementation of it
May 24 22:00:04 <JakeWharton> there is nothing wrong with design modeling. doing it in something as dumb as UML is the waste
May 24 22:00:25 <JakeWharton> give me a white board and a few minutes and then get out of my way and let me code
May 24 22:00:29 <pent0r> lacking the automatic method and class code generation fromt he diagram
May 24 22:01:43 <codebutler> does anyone know if it's possible to reference a local aar file using gradle without creating a maven repo? the question is unanswered on the mailing list https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/adt-dev/aar/adt-dev/522yljAgIxw/x16yrDxhrYgJ
May 24 22:01:50 <JakeWharton> yeah because that takes soooo long to do
May 24 22:02:04 <pent0r> do you automate standard class code like atribute geters/seters, method signatures, or just code everything manually?
May 24 22:02:10 <tophyr> P3nnyw1se: Delivery Time
May 24 22:02:19 <P3nnyw1se> thx
May 24 22:02:27 <JakeWharton> any IDE from the last decade will generate 90% of POJOs for you
May 24 22:02:50 <tophyr> or just "Time" if it's clear enough from context, ie right next to the Delivery Requested checkbox
May 24 22:03:08 <p_l|omoikane> JakeWharton: but it won't fix them up ;)
May 24 22:03:10 <JesusFreke> codebutler:  aar file = jar file?
May 24 22:03:16 <p_l|omoikane> JakeWharton: though IDEA got the generation very nice
May 24 22:03:23 <JesusFreke> codebutler: assuming so, just dump it in your libs folder, and add a dependency in the gradle file
May 24 22:03:26 <codebutler> JesusFreke: no, android archive. new thing for gradle
May 24 22:03:33 <JesusFreke> codebutler: oh. dunno then
May 24 22:03:43 <JakeWharton> codebutler: you don't want to install into your local repo?
May 24 22:05:05 <codebutler> JakeWharton: I want it included in the source repository so other people can easily build without hunting down dependencies. I can do this with a maven repository, but was wondering if there was a simpler option for gradle.
May 24 22:05:19 <JakeWharton> gotcha
May 24 22:05:36 <JakeWharton> it's a binary artifact so it should just be able to be included in libs/ and referenced
May 24 22:06:08 <codebutler> just saying `compile files('foo.aar')` doesn't appear to do anything.
May 24 22:06:16 <codebutler> ( in dependencies{} )
May 24 22:06:43 <pent0r> JakeWharton: well being new to ADT, and noticing the similar UI design approach to C#, I naturally found myself missing the rest of the .NET design/programming approach
May 24 22:07:35 <codebutler> same question on SO too (unanswered). http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16682847/how-to-manually-include-external-aar-package-using-new-gradle-android-build-syst
May 24 22:08:03 <P3nnyw1se> christ.... I saw this gif today titled 'can you feel it now'. ... and it just ruined my day.. everytime I close my eyes I see that gif.
May 24 22:10:36 <okamis_> Im trying to reuse a layout which has a a textview and a button, how do I access the button from the <include > tag in xml?
May 24 22:10:41 <okamis_> say the default text on the button is "ok" and I want to change it to "send"
May 24 22:11:24 <P3nnyw1se> why do you just change it from the java class
May 24 22:11:44 <P3nnyw1se> in your onCreateView
May 24 22:12:55 <P3nnyw1se> I dont remember the code but I assume its just something like Button.setText("send")
May 24 22:13:27 <okamis_> Im in a xml learning mode, and this question stopped me
May 24 22:13:48 <P3nnyw1se> you want to use the same xml right ?
May 24 22:14:01 <P3nnyw1se> for 2 different states in the app
May 24 22:14:04 <okamis_> yes
May 24 22:14:14 <pent0r> anyone using the new Adnroid Studio yet
May 24 22:14:35 <P3nnyw1se> alright .. well obviously .. you can only have one thing written on the button if you use the same text
May 24 22:14:58 <P3nnyw1se> but place it in strings
May 24 22:15:08 <P3nnyw1se> and call the right one when you need to use it
May 24 22:15:11 <P3nnyw1se> the text
May 24 22:15:22 <okamis_> i thought the include could override options
May 24 22:15:32 <P3nnyw1se> probably does.. dont know it.. :)
May 24 22:15:33 <pent0r> p_l|omoikane: thanks for the heads up on IDEA
May 24 22:15:49 <SimonVT> okamis_, you'll have to change the text in code
May 24 22:16:42 <P3nnyw1se> which is fairly easy okamis
May 24 22:16:52 <P3nnyw1se> you just call the button before you return the view and set a new text
May 24 22:17:30 <okamis_> yeah, I know how to do that
May 24 22:18:31 <P3nnyw1se> argh
May 24 22:19:02 <P3nnyw1se> guys.. why won't my language change when I change it on the tablet
May 24 22:19:15 <P3nnyw1se> I shift between English and Danish.. I have a standard values folder and a values-dk
May 24 22:19:18 <okamis_> try finding a save button
May 24 22:19:35 <P3nnyw1se> it changes on the tablet sorry
May 24 22:19:37 <P3nnyw1se> just not in my app
May 24 22:19:42 <P3nnyw1se> oh lol
May 24 22:19:56 <P3nnyw1se> maybe Denmark(danish) is -da
May 24 22:19:58 <P3nnyw1se> not -dk
May 24 22:19:59 <P3nnyw1se> 2 sec
May 24 22:20:32 <P3nnyw1se> hell yeah
May 24 22:20:45 <SimonVT> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
May 24 22:20:52 <SimonVT> It uses ISO 639-1
May 24 22:24:37 <P3nnyw1se> yeah I'm used to .dk
May 24 22:24:57 <P3nnyw1se> but half the times its .da
May 24 22:27:12 <P3nnyw1se> no wonder those eggs tasted like shit.. they last to the 26th.. but april
May 24 22:33:29 <pragma-> P3nnyw1se: you probably now have lupus
May 24 22:34:30 <P3nnyw1se> that would suck cause in 2 months I have to run 8 miles at some charity event
May 24 22:34:53 <P3nnyw1se> I guess I could get 6 friends who look just like me and dress them up in the same clothes and then we each take a little part of the course
May 24 22:34:59 <P3nnyw1se> nobody would ever know
May 24 22:36:25 <kakazza> pragma-: It's never lupus.
May 24 22:36:36 <g00s> lupes :)
May 24 22:37:43 <StingRay_> g00s: I'm on AS atm
May 24 22:38:05 <P3nnyw1se> AS.. atomic shit
May 24 22:38:06 <P3nnyw1se> good drug
May 24 22:38:07 <g00s> better than being on the toilet atm, i guess :)
May 24 22:38:50 <g00s> StingRay_: going back and forth between eclipse / idea
May 24 22:39:06 <StingRay_> and the reson for eclipse ?
May 24 22:39:13 <g00s> i still like it
May 24 22:39:55 <g00s> which reminds me, is there any way to choose a specific weight of a font (regular, light) in idea ?
May 24 22:40:55 <StingRay_> wight ?
May 24 22:40:59 <StingRay_> weight
May 24 22:41:20 <g00s> yeah, my favorite is Adobe Source Code Pro light :)
May 24 22:41:40 <g00s> regular renders fat in Inverse, not sure why
May 24 22:42:15 <pragma-> so it renders skinny, then?
May 24 22:42:47 <g00s> with light, yes it renders skinny ;) seems to be a thing with mac / java / light text on dark bg
May 24 22:42:56 <g00s> whataver
May 24 22:44:02 <g00s> wow, that would be cool if HTC One google edition comes out
May 24 22:44:22 <kakazza> Indeed
May 24 22:44:28 <pragma-> except for the htc part
May 24 22:44:42 <g00s> does the SGS4 google edition, even though not being called nexus, get updates like a nexus (frequency, duration) ?
May 24 22:44:43 <kakazza> It's a well built phone.
May 24 22:44:47 <kakazza> And not plastic.
May 24 22:44:53 <pragma-> plastic is superior
May 24 22:44:58 <kakazza> g00s: That's the plan, afaik.
May 24 22:45:05 <kakazza> pragma-: Uh, no.
May 24 22:45:10 <pragma-> Uh, yes.
May 24 22:45:19 <kakazza> Plastic feels very cheap.
May 24 22:45:22 <g00s> kakazza: i guess i should ask, who updates - google, the carrier, etc ?
May 24 22:45:27 <kakazza> Google
May 24 22:45:32 <g00s> \o/
May 24 22:45:35 <pragma-> It's not the feel, it's the functionality.
May 24 22:45:49 <kakazza> And what functionality does plastic have?
May 24 22:45:51 <pragma-> do you also wear high heels because they look good, despite how they fuck up your feet?
May 24 22:46:27 <pragma-> kakazza: better thermal conductivity, doesn't dent, etc.
May 24 22:46:44 <kakazza> Yeah, plastic just cracks.
May 24 22:46:52 <kakazza> g00s: That's what I read, anyway.
May 24 22:46:56 <pragma-> no, it's elastic
May 24 22:47:09 <kakazza> You've clearly never had a Galaxy Nexus
May 24 22:47:09 <pragma-> show me one high-end phone with cracked plastic
May 24 22:47:14 <kakazza> Galaxy Nexus
May 24 22:47:20 <StingRay_> plastic cracks and is easy to replace, You want something that dents and bends and is perm..!
May 24 22:47:21 <pragma-> pics or it didn't happen
May 24 22:47:52 <pent0r> LG-P500
May 24 22:48:00 <kakazza> I have an HTC phone with aluminium body. For 2 1/2 years. No dents. Because I don't throw my phone around.
May 24 22:48:03 <pent0r> die cast aluminium
May 24 22:48:09 <pragma-> plastic has elasticity that allows it to bend and absorb forces if dropped, unlike metal which is rigid and causes more shock to the internals
May 24 22:48:13 <kakazza> No case, no protection or otherwise.
May 24 22:48:22 <g00s> depends what meta
May 24 22:48:31 <pragma-> also, static electricity
May 24 22:48:34 <JesusFreke> also depends what plastic
May 24 22:48:35 <g00s> if its titanium, its very bendable :)
May 24 22:48:40 <pent0r> too bad it won't go beyond 2.3
May 24 22:49:43 <pent0r> anyone tried Windroy
May 24 22:50:08 <pent0r> runs insane fast, but crashes often and won't allow app install yet
May 24 22:50:24 <pent0r> looks promising though
May 24 22:50:59 <kakazza> pragma-: I have a very hard time believing that plastic should have a better thermal conductivity than aluminium
May 24 22:51:24 <kakazza> pragma-: Static Electricity? Source? I have not heard of a single case where that was a problem.
May 24 22:51:35 <kakazza> I heard of broken plastic cases, though.
May 24 22:51:44 <kakazza> And seen a lot of them.
May 24 22:52:04 <kakazza> On the Galaxy Nexus from the top to the camera opening. Always there.
May 24 22:53:45 <StingRay_> look your all on about dents and … ooo scratches …. do what I did if your gonna do something
May 24 22:53:53 <StingRay_> run over your phone twice with this http://www.hedi.cc/userfiles/image/hedi/wozki_widlowe/teleskopowe/MERLO_80_9/MERLO_80_9.jpg
May 24 22:55:01 <StingRay_> the phone was a 1st gen iphone, even though it was slightly shaped like a bananna, still worked….. was impressed
May 24 22:56:01 <pragma-> the nexus line isn't really known for having great manufacturing designs
May 24 22:56:29 <pragma-> they're cheap for many reasons
May 24 22:56:53 <pragma-> and metal retains heat longer than plastic
May 24 22:58:50 <kakazza> Thing is, I do not pay a few hundred bucks for a plastic chasis.
May 24 22:58:57 <pragma-> I do
May 24 22:59:01 * pragma- practical.
May 24 22:59:14 <kakazza> That's implying there are actual problems with metal chasis.
May 24 22:59:47 <kakazza> I just don't want my phone to feel like a toy.
May 24 22:59:49 <pragma-> let's just agree that glass is the worst, and move on.
May 24 22:59:49 <Sonicadvance1> Be like me, crowdfund nearly $700 to buy a Galaxy S 4 :P
May 24 23:00:10 <kakazza> We can leave it at that.
May 24 23:01:48 <pragma-> kakazza: also, "except when it's lupus"
May 24 23:35:49 <svm_invictvs> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/SectionIndexer.html#getSectionForPosition(int)
May 24 23:36:21 <svm_invictvs> When implementing that method.  Is that zero-indexed.  And when clamping the value, do you return one past the last index or do you return the last index itself?
May 24 23:53:18 <buddyq> this might be a stupid question to most of you but I've never made an app before and I just downloaded the SDK loaded with both Eclipse and the SDK and trying to get it setup and not sure what I'm doing or how these two things work together? I'm fumbling through the process.
May 24 23:53:42 <buddyq> I created a workspace. and downloaded latest Android SDK.
May 24 23:54:15 <StingRay_> did you not just get the adt bundle ?
May 24 23:54:31 <StingRay_> that has everything you need and a nice walkthough
May 24 23:55:16 <buddyq> StingRay_: yes I did.
May 24 23:55:22 <buddyq> oh, it has a walkthrough?
May 24 23:55:25 <buddyq> I missed that...
May 24 23:55:32 <StingRay_> well on setting it up
May 24 23:55:37 <StingRay_> not that there is much to do
May 24 23:55:49 <buddyq> Looking....
May 24 23:56:03 <StingRay_> if you have now donwloaded sdk for a version/platform your pretty much set
May 24 23:56:09 <buddyq> ah yes, now I see the link for it.
May 24 23:56:13 <StingRay_> it has wizards when creating a new project
May 24 23:56:37 <buddyq> So my question is, if I make an app with the Jelly Bean version, is it back compatable with older ones like Froyo?
May 24 23:56:55 <StingRay_> depends
May 24 23:57:14 <StingRay_> if your Target/Build against is the latest
May 24 23:57:19 <StingRay_> as in api 17
May 24 23:57:36 <StingRay_> but your min sdk is lets say 9
May 24 23:57:48 <StingRay_> will work back to 9
May 24 23:58:08 <StingRay_> assuming you dont use any of the new api 17 things
May 24 23:58:16 <StingRay_> there are docs in that if you read
May 24 23:58:25 <StingRay_> developer.android.com
May 24 23:58:30 <buddyq> does that mean I would need to download every sdk from 9-17? Or, where do I choose my min?
May 24 23:58:46 <StingRay_> manifest
May 24 23:58:53 <buddyq> yes sir!
May 24 23:58:55 <buddyq> ;-)
May 24 23:59:20 <buddyq> StingRay_: What apps have you developed?
May 24 23:59:28 <StingRay_> none
May 24 23:59:35 <StingRay_> I just chat in here to be social
May 24 23:59:37 <StingRay_> :)
May 24 23:59:48 <buddyq> So you know all this stuff but you dont dev apps?
May 24 23:59:53 <buddyq> isnt that strange?
May 25 00:00:22 <StingRay_> I'm developing an app now
May 25 00:00:23 <brx_> he made angry birds
May 25 00:00:26 <StingRay_> as we speak
May 25 00:00:33 <StingRay_> or type
May 25 00:00:42 <Izhido> smell?
May 25 00:01:24 <g00s> StingRay_: what mac irc client are you using ?
May 25 00:01:37 <StingRay_> the one YOU put me on!!!
May 25 00:01:45 <g00s> oh, colloquy ?
May 25 00:01:48 <StingRay_> ya
May 25 00:01:49 <g00s> :D
May 25 00:02:11 <g00s> i wiped out my custom blackboard theme; out of the box this is hideous
May 25 00:02:22 * g00s eyes bleed
May 25 00:02:25 <g00s> bleeeeeeed
May 25 00:03:27 <StingRay_> g00s: where is my breakpoints list in IJ ?
May 25 00:04:09 <StingRay_> @ anyone too
May 25 00:04:23 <JesusFreke> StingRay_: run->view breakpoints
May 25 00:04:40 <SimonVT> Right where you put them
May 25 00:04:49 <SimonVT> Or that
May 25 00:04:50 <StingRay_> cheers, obvously I want to show a VIEW so it's under RUN
May 25 00:04:51 <StingRay_> :)
May 25 00:04:52 <SimonVT> That works also
May 25 00:05:30 <JesusFreke> They should just have a single IDE menu item with everything under there. After all, you're running in an IDE
May 25 00:05:47 <JesusFreke> ;)
May 25 00:06:23 <StingRay_> the SHOULD allow easy access to all windows and the ability to save more than 1 view layout
May 25 00:06:50 <StingRay_> thats bugging me the most atm
May 25 00:07:52 <SimonVT> Save what now?
May 25 00:09:09 <StingRay_> ui layout
May 25 00:09:30 <StingRay_> arrangements of the pannels and windows
May 25 00:09:59 <StingRay_> the bits of your screen/s that you cover up the background with the ide
May 25 00:10:04 <StingRay_> view layout  :)
May 25 00:11:57 <ryoga_> hello there, im trying to create an application which simulates drums. im using onTouchListener and SoundPool
May 25 00:13:03 <ryoga_> ive got the problem that, if i touch certain coordinates the sound appears, but it repeats whole time itself when i let the pixel touched
May 25 00:13:20 <ryoga_> what method can be useful to play that sound just once
May 25 00:14:53 <ryoga_> just tried to use soundPool.stop(id) after play(id), but it doesnt work
May 25 00:18:01 <buddyq> so I'm downloading the API17 SDK, it's pretty large it seems. Taking awhile.
May 25 00:18:30 <StingRay_> i'm going for a cig, getting a coffee
May 25 00:18:44 <StingRay_> and maybe having a shower to wake up more
May 25 00:19:34 <funkbox> buddyq: enjoy a beer
May 25 00:20:44 <buddyq> I dont drink!
May 25 00:20:58 <funkbox> well that could be a problem
May 25 00:24:08 <roadfish> I want to truncate the any multi-line text in a ListView to a single line.
May 25 00:24:40 <roadfish> So my idea is to remove characters from the text until the "text extent" is less than the ListView's width.
May 25 00:25:13 <roadfish> But none of the hits seem relevant when I search on: "text extent" java android
May 25 00:26:38 <roadfish> So given a font and a string, how do I get the "text extent" ... like how many pixels wide the text string would be if rendered in the ListView?
May 25 00:28:54 <StingRay_> roadfish: have a look at the stock sms app
May 25 00:29:11 <StingRay_> they do it with 1st display "conversations" view
May 25 00:29:23 <roadfish> StingRay_: ok, thanks
May 25 00:29:27 <StingRay_> "my message is about to run of the ……:
May 25 00:29:57 <roadfish> good, that's exactly what I want. Including the "…" at the end.
May 25 00:30:33 <clever> roadfish: i'm not sure, but i think TextView has an option to do that automaticaly
May 25 00:30:58 <StingRay_> thats clever if it does
May 25 00:30:59 <roadfish> ok, I was wondering about some auto-truncation option too
May 25 00:31:12 <StingRay_> roadfish: when you find out let me know
May 25 00:31:15 <StingRay_> :)
May 25 00:32:43 <StingRay_> huh
May 25 00:32:45 <StingRay_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1666736/android-textview-automatically-truncate-and-replace-last-3-char-of-string
May 25 00:33:53 <StingRay_> roadfish: check that link
May 25 00:33:58 <clever> StingRay_, roadfish: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#attr_android:ellipsize
May 25 00:34:24 <clever> i could also use this, i have several views where it winds up doing 1 character per line
May 25 00:34:32 <clever> so the entire screen is filled up with a single textview
May 25 00:34:37 <StingRay_> lol
May 25 00:34:42 <clever> if i tried to simulate it in irc, you would kick/ban me :P
May 25 00:34:55 <StingRay_> collective progression, like it
May 25 00:36:15 <buddyq> I'm making a new AVD and I want to make one for my phone which is the Original Droid RAZR. How do I know what Device to choose? What are the dimensions?
May 25 00:36:40 <StingRay_> gsmarena.com has many phone specs
May 25 00:37:21 <buddyq> ok
May 25 00:42:13 <Speedstick> are swipes tricky to deal with, with android sdk?
May 25 00:42:47 <funkbox> in what sense?
May 25 00:43:05 <Speedstick> detection and direction
May 25 00:43:12 <funkbox> no
May 25 00:43:20 <Speedstick> great :)
May 25 00:43:29 <funkbox> you can invest all your money in android now
May 25 00:46:27 <Speedstick> so i guess releasing a free version of something with ads/limited features
May 25 00:46:32 <Speedstick> then a pro version is the way to go?
May 25 00:46:45 <funkbox> depends
May 25 00:46:50 <Speedstick> the amusing thing is, if I sold for $1 and got 100k sales
May 25 00:46:59 <Speedstick> 30% goes to taxes and 30% to google
May 25 00:47:11 <Speedstick> so i'm left with like 40k ;) but is more than 0
May 25 00:48:43 <EuroTrash> 30% taxes? Where is this lovely country? :P
May 25 00:49:32 <funkbox> Speedstick: so your biggest issue is taxes and the google take and not actually selling the app ?
May 25 00:49:37 <Speedstick> Euro US?
May 25 00:49:42 <StingRay_> become tax exempt
May 25 00:49:51 <StingRay_> tis actually quite easy
May 25 00:50:10 <Speedstick> you're tax empt?
May 25 00:50:15 <Speedstick> exempt
May 25 00:50:17 <pfn> 30% goes to taxes?
May 25 00:50:20 <StingRay_> when I want to be
May 25 00:50:20 <pfn> your tax rate is that high?
May 25 00:50:40 <EuroTrash> My tax rate is about that... will raise when I earn more.
May 25 00:50:41 <Speedstick> pfn something along those lines, self employed pay lot of taxes with gov and state taxes
May 25 00:51:07 <Speedstick> 12.5% alone go to something, then there's estimate income taxes, state taxes
May 25 00:51:18 <EuroTrash> Of course, another 21% of that goes to sales tax if I actually attempt to buy anything with my money.
May 25 00:51:25 <pfn> I dunno, in the US, even at 150K salary, you're in the 35% federal bracket; but usually, after deductions and adjusting for the overall tiering of taxes, it comes out to 20% overall taxes, for state and fed
May 25 00:51:26 <EuroTrash> I feel tricked.
May 25 00:51:53 <Speedstick> pfn you must have a great CPA
May 25 00:52:01 <Speedstick> i'm going to get a CPA soon
May 25 00:52:27 <pfn> Speedstick, not at all, at 150K salary, you're not taxed 35% on the entire 150k, only on the amount in which you make which is in the 35% tier
May 25 00:52:36 <pfn> lower tiers are taxed lesser amounts, taxes are progressive, not absurd
May 25 00:52:37 <buddyq> not sure what I should pick for ARM, MIPS, or Intel for CPU/ABI in a custom AVD???
May 25 00:52:41 <buddyq> How do I know what to put?
May 25 00:52:46 <pfn> buddyq, intel, unless you're using ndk
May 25 00:52:54 <buddyq> what is a ndk?
May 25 00:53:01 <pfn> if you don't know it, you aren't using it
May 25 00:53:21 <buddyq> ok, but what is it?
May 25 00:53:26 <pfn> google
May 25 00:53:35 <Speedstick> the next nexus should use an intel processor so that I can run windows software on it, via wine :) who's with me?
May 25 00:53:54 <buddyq> okay.
May 25 00:54:04 <pfn> not interested in running wine on a touch device
May 25 00:54:05 <buddyq> How do I know what pixel density to choose also?
May 25 00:54:06 <pfn> just not practical
May 25 00:54:16 <pfn> buddyq, pick the one that matches the device you want to emulate
May 25 00:54:38 <buddyq> how do I know which one my device has is my question.
May 25 00:54:40 <Speedstick> pfn you mean in terms of os design or hardware? as smart phone hardware these days seems pretty capable
May 25 00:54:50 <Speedstick> nexus 4 has a quad core and gigs of ram
May 25 00:54:54 <EuroTrash> 95+% of android devices are ARM
May 25 00:54:59 <pfn> Speedstick, usability of non-touch apps is next to nil
May 25 00:55:08 <Speedstick> ahh yeah good point
May 25 00:55:36 <buddyq> I am on a website and it gives me these specs..  (~256 ppi pixel density) but I have a lot of choices that are not PPI.
May 25 00:55:55 <buddyq> xhdpi, hdpi, etc...
May 25 00:56:26 <Speedstick> pfn in terms of the 150k taxing, not sure it works that way
May 25 00:56:28 <pfn> buddyq, what is your device
May 25 00:56:33 <pfn> Speedstick, yes, it works that way
May 25 00:56:36 <Speedstick> pretty sure once you hit a threshold, you enter a new tax bracket
May 25 00:56:41 <Speedstick> and the percentage gets higher
May 25 00:56:43 <buddyq> Droid RAZR XT912
May 25 00:56:49 <pfn> only the amount you make in that bracket is taxed at that rate
May 25 00:56:49 <Speedstick> and 100k and definitely a higher tax bracket
May 25 00:57:18 <pfn> so say 0-100k is 10% tax rate and 100-120k is 20%, only the amount you make in 100-120 (i.e. 20k) is at 20%
May 25 00:57:19 <EuroTrash> You get in a higher tax bracket but only for the piece that's above 100k.
May 25 00:57:21 <Speedstick> so you mean if you made 150k and the bracket started at 100k, only 50k would be taxed higher?
May 25 00:57:27 <EuroTrash> Yes
May 25 00:57:28 <pfn> the remainder is 10%
May 25 00:57:41 <StingRay_> I think if google ever showed the numbers in a realistic light, no1 would do apps as an indie dev
May 25 00:57:48 <StingRay_> or rather 99% would not
May 25 00:57:55 <Speedstick> that's interesting, is that for europe or what?
May 25 00:57:59 <pfn> Speedstick, USA
May 25 00:58:13 <Speedstick> ok
May 25 00:59:02 <EuroTrash> StingRay_: well, on the other side is the sheer number of devices, i.e. the potential volume.
May 25 00:59:13 <EuroTrash> But then again, it's hard to get noticed with your app.
May 25 00:59:15 <Speedstick> i'll have to look into that, doesn't sound right but thanks for letting me know
May 25 00:59:36 <buddyq> pfn: Droid RAZR XT912
May 25 01:00:29 <pfn> Speedstick, of course it's right, look at IRS tax tables
May 25 01:00:47 <pfn> buddyq, dunno what phone that is, I assume xhdpi
May 25 01:01:58 <buddyq> ok
May 25 01:06:28 <Speedstick> not that i'm complaining but apple and microsoft both charge $100 a year to be apart of their app stores
May 25 01:06:40 <Speedstick> google has a time fee of what $30? that's not really good business
May 25 01:06:54 <Speedstick> they should charge like $30 a year or something, an ongoing thing
May 25 01:08:57 <EuroTrash> Yeah, great strategy, discourage people from developing software for their platform.
May 25 01:09:21 <EuroTrash> I don't see why they charge at all... besides maybe for keeping cheap-ass spammers out.
May 25 01:09:39 <EuroTrash> But then again, it's not a whole lot of money for a criminal even.
May 25 01:11:12 <Speedstick> Euro has the $100 a year discouraged ios devs? :)
May 25 01:11:46 <Speedstick> old blackberry devices made you pay $30 to even get access to apps at all, for end users, *that* is discouraging hehe
May 25 01:45:45 <StingRay_> I think I have somehow turned auto import off in IJ
May 25 01:46:19 <StingRay_> as in I start typeing a class name not currently imported and it has no completion suggestion
May 25 01:47:32 <StingRay_> well it;s not that auto import is off
May 25 01:47:46 <StingRay_> it's just that it's not finding class names
May 25 01:47:48 <StingRay_> hmm
May 25 02:23:13 <Sambarboz> Hi Guys! Somebody knows how to create a Bitmap with specified height only?
May 25 02:23:22 <Sambarboz> keeping the aspect ration of the src
May 25 02:23:30 <Sambarboz> there is any trivial way?
May 25 02:25:00 <Sambarboz> and...
May 25 02:25:02 <Sambarboz> createScaledBitmap (http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Bitmap.html src, int dstWidth, int dstHeight, boolean filter)
May 25 02:25:20 <Sambarboz> Whats the parameter filter stands for?
May 25 02:26:17 <bitkiller> is there a way to speed up apk deployment to emulator. Here, latest SDK, using ant, it takes about 30s (after compiling) to install the apk
May 25 02:29:09 <funkbox> oh man: [INFO] BUILD SUCCESS
May 25 02:30:19 <StingRay_> Sambarboz: you should read the docs
May 25 02:30:39 <StingRay_> and yes there is a way to make any view an exact heigh
May 25 02:30:41 <StingRay_> t
May 25 02:30:59 <StingRay_> layoutParams being on, which has erm…. width and height
May 25 02:31:10 <StingRay_> and look at scaleType for the imageView
May 25 02:31:29 <Sambarboz> StingRay_: I'm reading :)
May 25 02:31:45 <StingRay_> so why ask what filter is ?
May 25 02:31:53 <StingRay_> :)
May 25 02:32:05 <Sambarboz> Cuz I didn't realized yet.
May 25 02:32:15 <Sambarboz> I wonder what it is.
May 25 02:32:59 <StingRay_> hint: before typing the method, read the docs on what it is/does and the params
May 25 02:33:01 <StingRay_> :)
May 25 02:33:56 <Sambarboz> Ok!
May 25 02:34:01 <Sambarboz> I have this habit
May 25 02:34:35 <Sambarboz> Do you know how to set bitmap height and let it decide it's width in creation?
May 25 02:35:10 <Sambarboz> Hmm.
May 25 02:35:16 <StingRay_> already said
May 25 02:35:22 <Sambarboz> If I can get aspect ration
May 25 02:35:25 <Sambarboz> it would be easy
May 25 02:35:27 <Sambarboz> hehe
May 25 02:35:35 <StingRay_> scaleType
May 25 02:36:53 <Sambarboz> But scaleType is for imageViews
May 25 02:37:05 <Sambarboz> And I'm creating the Bitmap itself.
May 25 02:37:17 <StingRay_> oh
May 25 02:37:31 <StingRay_> well use BitmapFactory bitmapOptions
May 25 02:37:37 <Sambarboz> Hm
May 25 02:37:38 <Sambarboz> let me see :)
May 25 02:37:44 <StingRay_> to pre-read and spec out what your doing
May 25 02:50:19 <g00s> StingRay_ : trying textual :)
May 25 02:50:48 <StingRay_> not free
May 25 02:51:03 <g00s> $5 :|
May 25 02:52:13 <true_techie> does anyone know why the SampleSyncAdapter does not have a default activity?
May 25 02:58:53 <Sambarboz> StingRay_: that bitmap width and height question. Was just get the image aspect ration from original bmp and apply to the scaledBitmap method in width param :)
May 25 02:59:26 <StingRay_> well if you have already read the file
May 25 02:59:33 <StingRay_> how would you not know that ?
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