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Jun 01 03:04:44 <beastmanrage> this is kind of a weird question, but is it alright to startService() from within the service?
Jun 01 03:11:57 <canadiancow> beastmanrage, sure
Jun 01 03:12:10 <canadiancow> it's just going to get a new intent if it's running
Jun 01 03:12:32 <beastmanrage> that would be nice, im worried about the service getting like 50 calls deep
Jun 01 03:12:39 <beastmanrage> and having to return from all of that
Jun 01 04:04:13 <therealGent> does JD reliably decompile android class files?
Jun 01 04:06:34 <therealGent> I'm looking for an encryption key inside an app, which I know exists. It's hardcoded. I'm not the first person on the internet to undertake this challenge. I just cant seem to find it. I've even gone as far as searching for that string in all the source files output by JD. Yet it's nowhere to be found. Any ideas?
Jun 01 04:21:54 <kulas> I'm downloding a file with asynctask, while i'm downloading the file there is a notification that say the user the download progress. The thing is that when I press the home button (my app goes to background), the asynctask stops downloading the file
Jun 01 04:22:16 <kulas> and the notification freezes
Jun 01 04:22:27 <kulas> someone know why?
Jun 01 04:35:07 <g00s> hehe, samsung, you guys suck http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/05/31/2312239/bug-in-samsung-s3-grabs-too-many-images-ups-data-use
Jun 01 04:35:30 <g00s> stop writing software pluuuhze
Jun 01 04:44:59 <p_l> g00s: meh
Jun 01 04:45:29 <p_l> the only reason you know about those bugs is because current crop of journalists loves such articles. They are really minor in the end, IMo :P
Jun 01 04:47:55 <p_l> that is, stuff (mostly) works
Jun 01 04:48:07 <p_l> that's better than some shit out there
Jun 01 04:56:22 <g00s> p_l so samsung replaced the stock browser on the sgs3 with their own ?
Jun 01 04:57:02 <g00s> i dont understand why they would touch those components
Jun 01 05:14:32 <p_l> maybe someone figured stock browser became free game with Chrome for Android
Jun 01 05:21:30 <eruditehermit> hi, where is the ant binary in the android sdk?
Jun 01 05:25:11 <shmooz> My favorite browser is Dolphin
Jun 01 05:25:49 <beastmanrage> do you guys know if its possible to get command data from the speech recognizer?
Jun 01 06:20:10 <omid8bimo> im trying to use actionbar in my app and i have added the android-support-v4.jar to my apps libs directory, but still i get java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: com.parspake.OrangeClub.History.getActionBar. please gimme a hint why this is happening
Jun 01 06:24:33 <JakeWharton> what version of Android are you compiling with?
Jun 01 06:24:38 <JakeWharton> the support library has nothing to do with the action bar
Jun 01 06:25:09 <omid8bimo> JakeWharton: minSdk is 8 and targetSdk is 13. and im compiling with 4.0.1
Jun 01 06:25:37 <JakeWharton> what is History? an activity?
Jun 01 06:26:29 <omid8bimo> JakeWharton: yup.
Jun 01 06:26:54 <JakeWharton> is this a runtime error or a compile-time error?
Jun 01 06:27:04 <JakeWharton> because the action bar only exists on API 11 (Honeycomb) and newer
Jun 01 06:27:19 <omid8bimo> the app works on android 4. i get this error on android 2.3.3. runtime error
Jun 01 06:27:57 <omid8bimo> JakeWharton: yeah exactly. thats why I've added support-libv4 to have Actionbar in older android.
Jun 01 06:28:11 <JakeWharton> the support library doesn't backport the action bar
Jun 01 06:28:45 <JakeWharton> you can try something like this: http://abs.io
Jun 01 06:28:47 <omid8bimo> JakeWharton: really? why not? i thought support library has actionBar backported!!
Jun 01 06:29:04 <JakeWharton> nope. but there are third-party solutions for now
Jun 01 06:29:57 <ron_frown> jake I heard google mentioned something about that tho
Jun 01 06:31:23 <JakeWharton> yeah at I/O 2012
Jun 01 06:31:39 <JakeWharton> maybe they'll finally release it by I/O 2014
Jun 01 06:31:45 <JakeWharton> when it has zero relevance
Jun 01 06:31:51 <ron_frown> yeah
Jun 01 06:32:00 <ron_frown> actionbar will be one of those ui patterns that will have gon eawya
Jun 01 06:34:50 <JakeWharton> or 90% of people will be on ICS+ by then
Jun 01 06:35:05 <shmooz> I still love my gingerbread
Jun 01 06:35:11 <ron_frown> or android dies
Jun 01 06:37:19 <shmooz> JakeWharton: why didn't android integrate your abs into their sdk ?
Jun 01 06:38:13 <JakeWharton> you would have to ask them
Jun 01 06:38:23 <apple741> Anyone know when admob payout? Its been a few months now
Jun 01 06:39:56 <shmooz> well I watched the I/O 2013 talk and they praised your work and said it was great and told the apps that were using it to keep using it,  but they replaced their own actionbar with the new ActionBarCompat
Jun 01 06:40:31 <JakeWharton> yeah i've been chatting with two of the guys working on their version
Jun 01 06:40:38 <shmooz> its still not ready ?
Jun 01 06:40:48 <JakeWharton> it's close
Jun 01 06:41:07 <shmooz> thanks for helping everyone :)
Jun 01 06:42:36 <JakeWharton> well i wrote it for myself so i'm glad it's useful beyond just my stuff
Jun 01 06:44:05 <shmooz> that's usually when people make software the best it can be, when they write it for themselves :)
Jun 01 06:44:27 <canadiancow> having written software for myself, i question your definition of the words "usually" and "best" :P
Jun 01 06:48:10 <canadiancow> but abs is pretty good ;)
Jun 01 06:48:13 <shmooz> when its your own baby and not your bosses baby, you take care of it better ;)
Jun 01 06:48:23 <canadiancow> i dont actually agree with that
Jun 01 06:48:35 <canadiancow> although i dont consider my "work" to be my "boss's baby"
Jun 01 06:48:40 <canadiancow> it's my baby now :)
Jun 01 06:48:44 <canadiancow> and im paid to take care of it
Jun 01 06:48:58 <canadiancow> i put a lot of effort into our next release
Jun 01 06:49:05 <canadiancow> and im much less likely to use hacky code
Jun 01 07:14:46 <ron_frown> my work I let my boss think is his baby
Jun 01 07:14:54 <ron_frown> because I value doing shit the right way
Jun 01 07:23:46 <mithenks> hi
Jun 01 07:24:09 <mithenks> I've a question about android network
Jun 01 07:24:15 <mithenks> I want to get  the time of response of an access point
Jun 01 07:24:25 <mithenks> I notice  that last API has a "public long timestamp" in ScanResult
Jun 01 07:24:38 <mithenks> but I want something that can run on 2.2+
Jun 01 07:25:13 <mithenks> it's possibile to get the "probe response" packet of access point?
Jun 01 07:25:22 <mithenks> and so reading the packet information?
Jun 01 07:42:37 <eruditehermit> hey, how would I go about setting up the layout for a pane that slides in from the edge much like how google hangouts has one on the right for the contacts
Jun 01 07:56:31 <JakeWharton> use the r13 support library
Jun 01 07:56:34 <JakeWharton> SlidingPaneLayout
Jun 01 08:07:31 <bluesm> String[] stocks = stockSymobolEntered.getAll().keySet().toArray(new String[0]);
Jun 01 08:07:35 <bluesm> What is the meaning of this ?
Jun 01 08:10:40 <JakeWharton> getAll() returns a Map<String, Something> and then it's converting all the keys to a list
Jun 01 08:12:35 <bluesm>  JakeWharton:  Why shared preferences aren't itself map
Jun 01 08:12:36 <bluesm> ?
Jun 01 08:13:12 <JakeWharton> they are a map, basically. just behind a different API
Jun 01 08:14:51 <bluesm> JakeWharton: After that, Map is converted to Set... Why ?
Jun 01 08:15:10 <JakeWharton> because you're getting the keys
Jun 01 08:15:13 <JakeWharton> which is a set
Jun 01 08:18:59 <bluesm>  JakeWharton: Why this is set, no array ?
Jun 01 08:19:37 <JakeWharton> Map keys are unique
Jun 01 08:42:57 <bluesm1>  JakeWharton:  So because, map is unique, that method will convert to data structure that is also unique ?
Jun 01 08:46:52 <JakeWharton> map keys are unique, yes. that's why it ends up as a set rather than something like a list
Jun 01 08:53:48 <EPG> In my dev console, the numbers for average rating/#ratings are wrong, i.e., some ratings are ignored although they appear in the detailed ratings list. Is anyone else having this problem?
Jun 01 08:54:46 <Ge0rG> EPG: maybe they got downvoted?
Jun 01 08:56:18 <EPG> Ge0rG, is there some documentation on this? Maybe they were downvoted, however, I thought this had no impact on the average rating and especially the number of ratings (seems like non-sense to write "6 ratings" and then list 7)
Jun 01 08:59:37 <Ge0rG> EPG: maybe the numbers come from different database locations and are out of sync
Jun 01 08:59:57 <Ge0rG> EPG: there are so many strange issues with google play, you should not count the votes too much ;)
Jun 01 09:00:24 <EPG> :) yeah, it was just irritating me
Jun 01 10:09:38 <Smubeht> if I have an arrayList of treemaps, and I want to find a count of a certain value in the treemap, whats the easiest way to do so
Jun 01 10:27:50 <bluesm1> JakeWharton: Ok. Then we have "toArray(new String])"
Jun 01 10:28:08 <bluesm1> Then we have.  toArray(new String[0]);
Jun 01 10:28:22 <bluesm1> JakeWharton: Why is this new String[0]  ?
Jun 01 10:45:20 <jan1337z> hey guys… is there a possibility to pre cache sites for my webview with a background task
Jun 01 10:45:22 <jan1337z> ?
Jun 01 10:51:37 <SpearThruster> jan1337z, you can have Map with key=site, value=content
Jun 01 10:52:22 <SpearThruster> and before doing an fetching a content from a particular URI, checking the Map first for existance of said key
Jun 01 10:52:55 <jan1337z> do you have a source where I can read more about this? sounds interesting
Jun 01 10:55:44 <SpearThruster> jan1337z, nope X_X
Jun 01 10:56:02 <SpearThruster> but basically you will need a Singleton for the Map (that will be used as your caching mechanism)
Jun 01 10:56:49 <SpearThruster> and then in the Background task you first get the Map from said Singleton -> query for key -> if key exists -> getResult
Jun 01 10:57:31 <SpearThruster> if you haven't used Singleton in Android before, be sure to google it out
Jun 01 10:57:33 <jan1337z> But how do I save a site?
Jun 01 10:57:53 <SpearThruster> cause you need to extend from Application, so that the OS won't close it asap
Jun 01 10:58:11 <SpearThruster> ewww, how do you mean save site?
Jun 01 10:58:17 <SpearThruster> you mean the HTML right?
Jun 01 10:58:26 <SpearThruster> or is it a webservice result returning XML/JSONM?
Jun 01 10:58:37 <jan1337z> Images as well
Jun 01 10:59:29 <jan1337z> I want to cache the full website in a background task on start up … for example the start page of www.zeit.de
Jun 01 11:00:22 <jan1337z> (by full page I mean online one page but including images and maybe css / js)
Jun 01 11:00:43 <jan1337z> *only one page but ...
Jun 01 11:17:13 <SpearThruster> what's the preferred way to do a AsyncTask in Android, BUT modify the UI after the task is completed?
Jun 01 11:17:34 <SpearThruster> I just realized you can't modify the UI from onPostExecute, even if you pass the contex to the AsyncTask
Jun 01 11:24:00 <Zaknafein> I'm having a strange issue. On one device my app compiles and runs successfully. But on another device I get: java.lang.SecurityException: Permission Denial: starting Intent { act=android.intent.action.MAIN cat=[android.intent.category.LAUNCHER] flg=0x10000000 cmp=com.meeba.meeba/.activities.DashboardActivity } from null (pid=9032, uid=2000) requires android.permission.INTERNET
Jun 01 11:25:27 <SimonVT> Apparently you're requiring anyone that starts your main activity to have the INTERNET permission
Jun 01 11:28:20 <Zaknafein> i've got <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.INTERNET" /> in my manifest file
Jun 01 11:28:39 <Zaknafein> but why does it work on one device and not on the other?
Jun 01 11:29:18 <SimonVT> You've got android:permission="android.permission.INTERNET" somewhere on your activity or application or something
Jun 01 11:29:37 <SimonVT> That defines the permission that anyone starting your activity must have
Jun 01 11:29:49 <SimonVT> So, on your device the launcher has the INTERNET permission.. On other device it doesn't
Jun 01 11:30:03 <Zaknafein> how do i give the other device an internet permission
Jun 01 11:30:12 <SimonVT> You don't
Jun 01 11:30:15 <SimonVT> You stop requiring it
Jun 01 11:30:19 <Zaknafein> i'm using ACRA library, so that might be it
Jun 01 11:30:36 <Zaknafein> and acra needs internet permission
Jun 01 11:31:30 <SimonVT> Remove android:permission="android.permission.INTERNET"
Jun 01 11:31:35 <SimonVT> Not uses-permission
Jun 01 11:31:43 <SimonVT> They're two completely different things
Jun 01 11:31:48 <SpearThruster> hey guys, does my AsyncTask need to be inner nested class of the Activity in order for it to be able to modify the UI in onPostExecute method?
Jun 01 11:32:44 <Zaknafein> SimonVT: thanks, i removed that and now it works
Jun 01 11:33:17 <SimonVT> Now go read up on what the difference is so you don't make the same mistake again
Jun 01 11:34:31 <bluesm1> Is context keeps track of what is happening in app ?
Jun 01 11:34:55 <bluesm1> Say:   AlertDialog.Builder builder = new AlertDialog.Builder(MainActivity.this);
Jun 01 11:35:20 <bluesm1> Why class AlertDialog.Builder , takes context in contructor ?
Jun 01 11:36:42 <ciurkut> Hiho guys
Jun 01 11:36:52 <ciurkut> Anyone likes challanges
Jun 01 11:36:55 <ciurkut> ?:<
Jun 01 11:37:19 <_Saul_> hello ciurkut ! :D
Jun 01 11:37:25 <_Saul_> you helped me last night! xD
Jun 01 11:37:25 <ciurkut> Hi mate
Jun 01 11:37:26 <marrrk> Can anybody help with adding dependencies when using SBT for building?
Jun 01 11:37:30 <ciurkut> :D
Jun 01 11:37:35 <ciurkut> I remember
Jun 01 11:37:41 <ciurkut> :)
Jun 01 11:37:55 <ciurkut> I saved your ass
Jun 01 11:37:58 <_Saul_> haha
Jun 01 11:38:04 <ciurkut> How is your arkanoid going
Jun 01 11:38:08 <ciurkut> ?:D
Jun 01 11:38:29 <_Saul_> Rtype, not arkanoid
Jun 01 11:38:30 <marrrk> SimonVT: Is it possible to just add the sources of a library project instead of a jar?
Jun 01 11:39:30 <_Saul_> I can't detach the enemies, don't know why xD
Jun 01 11:39:51 <ciurkut> :<
Jun 01 11:39:57 <_Saul_> but the tutorial was awesome
Jun 01 11:39:59 <ciurkut> You dont habe much time
Jun 01 11:40:07 <ciurkut> Better hurry up
Jun 01 11:40:11 <ciurkut> :p
Jun 01 11:40:16 <ciurkut> Anyway
Jun 01 11:40:19 <_Saul_> I achieved some things I didn't think I would
Jun 01 11:40:37 <ciurkut> Im looking for help in extracting piece of code from app
Jun 01 11:40:48 <ciurkut> Nice for you
Jun 01 11:40:56 <ciurkut> Add meh to credit s
Jun 01 11:41:01 <ciurkut> :P
Jun 01 11:41:05 <_Saul_> I will!
Jun 01 11:41:14 <ciurkut> :D
Jun 01 11:41:44 <jan1337z> SpearThruster, still there?
Jun 01 11:42:07 <ciurkut> :<
Jun 01 11:42:40 <ciurkut> Anyone wants to try to help me finding how ussd app
Jun 01 11:42:45 <ciurkut> Does what it does
Jun 01 11:42:48 <ciurkut> ?:<
Jun 01 11:43:53 <_Saul_> sorry, I'm a noob at this, otherwise I'd do it gladly :)
Jun 01 11:43:55 <jan1337z> SpearThruster, what you are looking for (i guess is) Activity.runOnUiThread(Runnable action)
Jun 01 11:44:01 <ciurkut> Saul
Jun 01 11:44:13 <ciurkut> Send me that game after yiu finish
Jun 01 11:44:20 <ciurkut> :p
Jun 01 11:44:27 <_Saul_> if I finish
Jun 01 11:44:28 <ciurkut> Ill test it
Jun 01 11:47:14 <ciurkut> :) so anyone wants to help stranger?
Jun 01 11:48:50 <marrrk> Just decompile it
Jun 01 11:49:03 <ciurkut> Yep i did that
Jun 01 11:49:10 <SpearThruster> jan1337z, no I think I need a Handler... cause I am doing some network actions
Jun 01 11:49:10 <SpearThruster> :)
Jun 01 11:49:16 <ciurkut> But i have problem in dwtermining
Jun 01 11:49:29 <ciurkut> Which part is the one im looking for
Jun 01 11:49:46 <jan1337z> But your problem is that you want to do things on the main UI while you are in an async task, right?
Jun 01 11:50:06 <jan1337z> if you do things on the mainUI you get an exception (as far as i know)
Jun 01 11:50:09 <ciurkut> Use loader
Jun 01 11:50:15 <ciurkut> Or async task
Jun 01 11:50:29 <ciurkut> With onpostexecute
Jun 01 11:50:42 <ciurkut> To load net things
Jun 01 11:50:43 <jan1337z> right?
Jun 01 11:50:50 <bluesm1> How can I get reference to the view ?
Jun 01 11:50:52 <ciurkut> Yep
Jun 01 11:50:55 <bluesm1> setContentView(R.layout.activity_main);
Jun 01 11:51:02 <ciurkut> You crash app
Jun 01 11:51:08 <bluesm1> activity_main view...
Jun 01 11:51:15 <ciurkut> If it stops responding for 5secs
Jun 01 11:51:29 <marrrk> I don't even know what you're looking for.
Jun 01 11:51:53 <ciurkut> Ussd code processing
Jun 01 12:22:29 <johnnyl> If you want to make a 'Mario' jump and run on an Android tech screen in a game, how would you go about doing that , user wise?
Jun 01 12:27:17 <adq> you will first document yourself about the concept a "game loop", whatever you plan to do
Jun 01 12:27:34 <adq> johnnyl, your question is far too generic and allow too many answers
Jun 01 12:28:31 <SpeedEvil> First, I would obtain funding.
Jun 01 12:28:39 <johnnyl> adq, I am concerned out to program user input on a touch screen. The game has input features like Mario Brothers.
Jun 01 12:29:05 <adq> in a minimalist jump & run, only one thing is needed
Jun 01 12:29:07 <adq> jumping
Jun 01 12:29:10 <ciurkut> just make some kind of hud
Jun 01 12:29:12 <adq> so pressing anywhere should do it
Jun 01 12:29:35 <SpeedEvil> Or use the accellerometer
Jun 01 12:29:46 <ciurkut> nope
Jun 01 12:29:47 <adq> most of the time, dev try to avoid action with finger which hide too many (useful) content on the screen, as the player moving
Jun 01 12:29:53 <ciurkut> dont fucking use accellerometer
Jun 01 12:30:00 <ciurkut> its the most useless shit in gaming
Jun 01 12:30:03 <ciurkut> i hate it :C
Jun 01 12:30:09 <ciurkut> when game uses it as controls
Jun 01 12:30:10 <ciurkut> :<
Jun 01 12:30:25 <adq> s/many/much/
Jun 01 12:30:35 <SpeedEvil> It depends - it can work well.
Jun 01 12:30:42 <SpeedEvil> It can be done badly, and be inappropriate.
Jun 01 12:31:08 <ciurkut> for mario i would go for half transparent hud
Jun 01 12:32:21 <adq> hud, often at bottom, should no be a problem for a jump & run, because part of the decor preventing the character to fall can be a bit above a little hud
Jun 01 12:32:27 <Achillion> touch top left of screen -> move right, bottom left corner -> move left, right side -> jump
Jun 01 12:32:28 <adq> without taking much space screen
Jun 01 12:33:17 <ciurkut> Achillion are you serious? :P
Jun 01 12:33:22 <Achillion> why not?
Jun 01 12:33:54 <ciurkut> it would be hard
Jun 01 12:34:10 <ciurkut> for example
Jun 01 12:34:17 <ciurkut> i hold phone in my right hand
Jun 01 12:34:17 <adq> Achillion, does not really feel natural to have top left for moving right & bottom left for moving left lol
Jun 01 12:34:19 <Achillion> Most of the time you'll be holding your left thumb at the top-left corner and tapping the right thumb
Jun 01 12:34:26 <ciurkut> when i press right side
Jun 01 12:34:32 <ciurkut> i cover all screen with my left hand
Jun 01 12:34:33 <ciurkut> :C
Jun 01 12:35:00 <Achillion> assuming landscape btw
Jun 01 12:35:31 <ciurkut> it could be a bit tricky with large screen devices
Jun 01 12:35:31 <ciurkut> :<
Jun 01 12:35:39 <ciurkut> with my s3
Jun 01 12:35:52 <ciurkut> i have to stretch my thumb to reach top left
Jun 01 12:36:12 <Achillion> well ok, enlarge the margins. don't make it absolutely strict corner
Jun 01 12:36:35 <SpeedEvil> A 'control setup' where you can drag the controls around is nice
Jun 01 12:36:43 <Achillion> split the side to top-left, and bottom-left, so if you're even slightly above the middle, it counts as top
Jun 01 12:36:49 <Achillion> SpeedEvil: like carmageddon
Jun 01 12:39:07 <Achillion> or you can just split the screen into 3 regions so the player can touch wherever, with the general setup. I don't think top-left/forward, bottom-left/backward is as unintuitive as you think
Jun 01 12:41:14 <adq> first step would be to know how many actions (which require user input) he has/wants
Jun 01 12:41:32 <adq> then, he might begin to think where and how efficiently provide the input(s)
Jun 01 12:43:03 <johnnyl> adq: okay
Jun 01 12:43:15 <johnnyl> it certainly doesn't make a good platform for run/jump/shooters.
Jun 01 12:44:02 <adq> i would not conclude that so quickly :)
Jun 01 12:44:47 <Achillion> johnnyl: download all runner games, see if you like the control scheme, implement accordingly
Jun 01 12:45:11 <johnnyl> i don't have an android, why do you think i'm asking? :)
Jun 01 12:45:58 <Achillion> ... I *thought* you were asking because you're planning on developing a runner game for Android, which someone wouldn't care to do without owning a device
Jun 01 12:45:58 <Tankman78> hi all
Jun 01 12:46:28 <johnnyl> Achillion: as well you are most certainly wrong.
Jun 01 12:46:39 <Achillion> It appears I am, yes
Jun 01 12:46:43 <Achillion> Tankman78: greetings
Jun 01 12:47:47 <Tankman78> has anyone noticed their Google Play ratings decreasing over the last couple of days?
Jun 01 12:48:50 <ciurkut> Anyone want to help me in decompiling ussd app?
Jun 01 12:48:51 <ciurkut> plox
Jun 01 12:49:08 <ciurkut> i want to extract code used to intercept ussd
Jun 01 12:49:15 <ciurkut> but there is so much useless stuff
Jun 01 12:49:18 <ciurkut> that its hard to find
Jun 01 12:49:19 <ciurkut> :c
Jun 01 12:54:07 <ciurkut> anyway how does obfuscated app code looks like
Jun 01 12:54:18 <adq> Tankman78, sometimes it happens i also saw it
Jun 01 12:54:22 <ciurkut> if i have many files with chinese names
Jun 01 12:54:24 <johnnyl> Achillion: splitting the screen is a brilliant idea.
Jun 01 12:54:34 <adq> but i think it might come either from disappearing user account (deleted)
Jun 01 12:54:42 <adq> or simply readjusting their data
Jun 01 12:55:11 <Tankman78> adq: does this happen once a year or something?
Jun 01 12:55:20 <johnnyl> ciurkut: certainly a hud is a good idea too.
Jun 01 12:55:34 <adq> Tankman78, no the frequency is a bit higher than once a year :)
Jun 01 12:56:16 <Tankman78> adq: really...ok. I've had my app up for about 9 months, never seen it happen before
Jun 01 12:56:33 <Achillion> Maybe there's a secret rating decay :|
Jun 01 12:56:36 <Tankman78> adq: I lost 14 ratings. Some popular apps lost several thousand
Jun 01 12:56:50 <adq> i hope you lost 1star ratings
Jun 01 12:57:01 <Tankman78> adq: nope, all 5 and 4 stars
Jun 01 12:57:28 <adq> today i got my first request of manual refund :|
Jun 01 12:57:38 <Tankman78> adq: what happened?
Jun 01 12:58:02 <SimonVT> He wasn't quick enough to pull the apk within the 15 minute refund window
Jun 01 12:58:22 <adq> Tankman78, got someone who asked by mail: "I'd like to cancel my order"
Jun 01 12:58:31 <adq> before the 2days limit and after the 15minutes
Jun 01 12:58:32 <Achillion> I love that 15min feature thing.
Jun 01 12:58:43 <YuviPanda> anyone using Volley yet?
Jun 01 12:58:52 <Tankman78> that's the rule? after 2 days, you cant refund?
Jun 01 12:58:54 <adq> https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/134336?hl=en <- i think in the past
Jun 01 12:58:55 <YuviPanda> it seems to have no way to do synchronous network operations *at all*
Jun 01 12:59:01 <adq> it was automatically handled by google
Jun 01 12:59:07 <adq> but now it's clearly stated at bottom of the page
Jun 01 12:59:12 <YuviPanda> which is a complete pain when you want to make requests from services, content providers, etc
Jun 01 12:59:21 <adq> <<If you're unsatisfied with an application after the 15 minute return period has expired, we recommend contacting the developer directly.>>
Jun 01 12:59:37 <Tankman78> so you refunded him like what, 2 bucks?
Jun 01 12:59:40 <adq> yes
Jun 01 12:59:55 <Tankman78> what was his beef?
Jun 01 13:00:10 <adq> oops sorry i'm not a native english speaker
Jun 01 13:00:15 <adq> what do you mean in your last sentence?
Jun 01 13:00:28 <YuviPanda> 'what was his problem/complaint'? (I think)
Jun 01 13:00:37 <Tankman78> yeah what did he complain about
Jun 01 13:00:38 <adq> ah no clue, but it's his right
Jun 01 13:00:51 <adq> he did not complain, just asked politely to got the refund
Jun 01 13:01:05 <adq> he even provided the order id
Jun 01 13:01:12 <adq> and his email matched, so i clicked "cancel"
Jun 01 13:01:21 <Tankman78> ah ok thats fair enough
Jun 01 13:01:32 <adq> yeah, but now i'm imagining the worst scenario
Jun 01 13:01:38 <adq> i'm afk for more than 2 days
Jun 01 13:01:55 <adq> someone asked a refund in this period of time
Jun 01 13:02:02 <adq> but i'm too late when i come back
Jun 01 13:02:09 <adq> i don't think ppl will sue you for 2bucks
Jun 01 13:02:09 * SpeedEvil thinks adqs imagination of worst case scenarios kinda sucks.
Jun 01 13:02:13 <Tankman78> did you just publish your app?
Jun 01 13:02:15 <adq> but still, it's problematic
Jun 01 13:02:19 <adq> Tankman78, nop
Jun 01 13:02:27 <adq> for a legal point of view, it's problematic
Jun 01 13:02:54 <adq> lol SpeedEvil
Jun 01 13:03:11 <Tankman78> whats your app?
Jun 01 13:03:11 <SpeedEvil> Tankman78: I wonder if its deleting ratings from users that have not upgraded to Google plus
Jun 01 13:03:30 <adq> oo i just realized that the google support page i pasted above
Jun 01 13:03:37 <adq> states "May 17, 2013
Jun 01 13:03:37 <adq> "
Jun 01 13:03:49 <adq> so weird that i miss a mail about that, if they communicated about
Jun 01 13:03:56 * YuviPanda wonders how it would feel like to work for someone other than a non-profit doing apps
Jun 01 13:04:13 <adq> Tankman78, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rainy.autolock&hl=en this one was the pap
Jun 01 13:04:14 <adq> app
Jun 01 13:04:18 <adq> oops no
Jun 01 13:04:19 <adq> lol
Jun 01 13:04:26 <adq> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quet.android.autolock
Jun 01 13:04:31 <adq> ... wrong me.
Jun 01 13:04:47 <Tankman78> SpeedEvil: I guess it could be. But some apps have hundreds of thousands of non-google plus ratings
Jun 01 13:04:56 <Tankman78> surely they wont lose all those
Jun 01 13:05:08 <SpeedEvil> some sort of fake weeding out?
Jun 01 13:05:39 <Tankman78> in that case I would assume they'd mostly remove 5's and 1's
Jun 01 13:05:50 <Tankman78> ive had some 4's removed
Jun 01 13:06:21 <SpeedEvil> odd
Jun 01 13:07:01 <adq> i know that their lof of profiles used for ppl who buy rating on the blackmarket, one of the hypothesis would be that one of these account rated you in a legitim way but were already compromised to provide a "pay for rate" and has been detected by google
Jun 01 13:07:20 <adq> that is another possibility
Jun 01 13:07:25 <Tankman78> adq: yeah it could be
Jun 01 13:07:27 <adq> especially since this threat is highly growing
Jun 01 13:07:31 <adq> to not say, exponentially
Jun 01 13:07:39 <adq> and it costs less and less for 5 stars rating
Jun 01 13:07:40 <Tankman78> i mean it's happening to every single app, not just mine so i'm not too worried
Jun 01 13:07:46 <adq> totally bad ;(
Jun 01 13:08:00 <Tankman78> luckily all my ratings are legit :)
Jun 01 13:08:23 <Tankman78> im just afraid a competitor will pay for people to give me 1 stars
Jun 01 13:08:32 <adq> it might also happens
Jun 01 13:08:57 <smartracer> hey where can i find adb driver for lava xtron jb7? i googled it i cant find it
Jun 01 13:08:57 <Tankman78> all the 1 stars I've received don't have comments/complaints
Jun 01 13:09:10 <adq> i saw that all my free apps got a 1star almost at same time a day (some did not have any 1 star, this is how i correlated)
Jun 01 13:09:11 <Tankman78> so I have no idea why they rated me 1 star
Jun 01 13:09:15 <adq> it's probably someone who hates me
Jun 01 13:09:16 <adq> lol
Jun 01 13:09:31 <smartracer> hey where can i find adb driver for lava xtron jb7? i googled it i cant find it
Jun 01 13:09:39 <adq> Tankman78, i think there are bots who does that
Jun 01 13:09:39 <Tankman78> yeah it sucks that you can't really guard yourself against it
Jun 01 13:09:44 <adq> without any causes or reasons
Jun 01 13:09:50 <adq> just to spread more evil
Jun 01 13:10:07 <adq> Tankman78, stackexchange (eg stackoverflow) had a nice concept
Jun 01 13:10:11 <adq> based on minimal reputation
Jun 01 13:10:13 <adq> to be able to rate
Jun 01 13:10:21 <adq> i think it's great to mitigate this problem
Jun 01 13:10:29 <adq> mitigate only, because ppl will first build a good reputation
Jun 01 13:10:42 <adq> to exploit it
Jun 01 13:10:46 <Tankman78> yeah, but then I guess I'd have a lot less ratings
Jun 01 13:10:47 <adq> (like on ebay and many others palces)
Jun 01 13:10:54 <adq> for sure, it helps
Jun 01 13:11:17 <adq> they forced ppl to not rate as "a google user" like before
Jun 01 13:11:27 <adq> but it's really a sword hit in the wind (or the water)
Jun 01 13:11:38 <adq> if you don't adda comment to the rating, you don't appear
Jun 01 13:11:42 <Tankman78> were you developing apps before the google plus requirement?
Jun 01 13:11:48 <adq> and it's already full of fake first & lastname
Jun 01 13:11:51 <adq> so it's not efficient
Jun 01 13:11:51 <smartracer> hey where can i find adb driver for lava xtron jb7? i googled it i cant find it
Jun 01 13:11:56 <smartracer> hey where can i find adb driver for lava xtron jb7? i googled it i cant find it
Jun 01 13:12:00 <adq> Tankman78, yes
Jun 01 13:12:16 <adq> smartracer, on their official site if not contact them
Jun 01 13:12:18 <Tankman78> adq: did you see a decline in ratings after the requirement?
Jun 01 13:12:25 <adq> Tankman78, nop
Jun 01 13:12:30 <Tankman78> really?
Jun 01 13:12:34 <adq> yes
Jun 01 13:12:40 <Tankman78> I feel like a lot of people still dont have google plus
Jun 01 13:12:52 <adq> they cannot
Jun 01 13:13:02 <adq> if they use google play, they must have a valid account
Jun 01 13:13:09 <Tankman78> oh really?
Jun 01 13:13:11 <Tankman78> i didnt know that
Jun 01 13:13:12 <adq> even if they don't use g+, they are now linked too
Jun 01 13:13:13 <adq> yes
Jun 01 13:13:19 <Tankman78> ah ok fair enough
Jun 01 13:13:22 <adq> so you end up often in a profile empty
Jun 01 13:13:27 <adq> without any photo or posts
Jun 01 13:13:31 <adq> but they are linked
Jun 01 13:13:54 <Tankman78> i just wished I could see what other apps people have rated if they rated mine
Jun 01 13:14:23 <Tankman78> so for the 1 stars, I can see if they rate all other similar games 1 star, except for a single 5 star which would obviously be their own app
Jun 01 13:14:34 <adq> Tankman78, i think you can but it requires work or time on your side :)
Jun 01 13:14:43 <Tankman78> how?
Jun 01 13:14:50 <adq> just some google query with the profile (if not too ambiguous like john smith)
Jun 01 13:15:16 <adq> Tankman78, also you have to be aware of, that "haters gonna hate"
Jun 01 13:15:25 <adq> it's a tiny part of your user population
Jun 01 13:15:27 <Tankman78> but if they don't comment, I can't see the profile right? If they just rate 1 star without comment?
Jun 01 13:15:30 <adq> which will never be satified
Jun 01 13:15:36 <Tankman78> adq: I know :)
Jun 01 13:15:38 <adq> :)
Jun 01 13:15:46 <adq> Tankman78, exactly
Jun 01 13:15:47 <Tankman78> im just curious thats all
Jun 01 13:15:54 <adq> if they don't comment but only rate, you're in the dark
Jun 01 13:16:12 <Tankman78> yeah all my 1 stars are just ratings without comments
Jun 01 13:16:17 <Tankman78> so can't search
Jun 01 13:16:21 <adq> Tankman78, in case you're interested in advertising, i began to write again on http://tentacleintheads.blogspot.fr/
Jun 01 13:16:41 <adq> not fully related to the topic, but .. anyway :)
Jun 01 13:16:49 <Tankman78> your findings?
Jun 01 13:16:51 <adq> yup
Jun 01 13:17:00 <adq> trying to decipher this beast by empirism
Jun 01 13:17:08 <Tankman78> ah cool
Jun 01 13:17:14 <Tankman78> so are you a full time developer?
Jun 01 13:17:34 <adq> somehow despite i don't only code
Jun 01 13:18:56 <Tankman78> im trying to figure out how to monetize my app
Jun 01 13:19:27 <adq> you have 3 ways, free with ads, paid app, or free|paid with IAB (in app billing aka cashshop)
Jun 01 13:19:42 <adq> in fact more, like selling goodies but not sure it's in the scope :)
Jun 01 13:20:06 <Tankman78> yeah im leaning towards IAP
Jun 01 13:20:20 <adq> same
Jun 01 13:20:35 <adq> i never touched it, but i'm happy of the features present in the v3
Jun 01 13:20:45 <Tankman78> v3?
Jun 01 13:20:48 <adq> the version 3
Jun 01 13:21:10 <Tankman78> of what? I'm not really that technical
Jun 01 13:21:27 <adq> of IAB (in app billing)
Jun 01 13:21:42 <adq> http://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/index.html
Jun 01 13:21:51 <Tankman78> ah ok i havent looked at it at all
Jun 01 13:22:16 <Tankman78> im working on an RPG game, so maybe I can sell all sorts of crap
Jun 01 13:22:17 <Tankman78> haha
Jun 01 13:22:21 <adq> me too :)
Jun 01 13:22:35 <Tankman78> what are you working on?
Jun 01 13:22:37 <adq> sometimes i'm thinking i will never see the end
Jun 01 13:22:56 <adq> Tankman78, somehow a clone of wizardry
Jun 01 13:23:06 <Tankman78> how far into it are you?
Jun 01 13:23:10 <adq> pretty far :)
Jun 01 13:23:16 <adq> i can already play some part
Jun 01 13:23:17 <Tankman78> got a demo? :)
Jun 01 13:23:21 <adq> nop but got screenshots
Jun 01 13:23:25 <Tankman78> cool show me
Jun 01 13:23:29 <adq> https://plus.google.com/photos/115462329892247078112/albums/5865939112187962449
Jun 01 13:23:43 <adq> and in //, i'm learning opengl https://plus.google.com/photos/115462329892247078112/albums/5846861344299547457?banner=pwa
Jun 01 13:24:12 <Tankman78> is that all original art?
Jun 01 13:24:16 <Tankman78> or is that from the game?
Jun 01 13:24:19 <adq> the game mecanic is completed near 80%
Jun 01 13:24:39 <adq> the "oiled" paint are not from me, cf CC licenses
Jun 01 13:24:44 <Tankman78> ah ok
Jun 01 13:24:57 <Tankman78> looks pretty neat
Jun 01 13:25:05 <Tankman78> how much longer to go?
Jun 01 13:25:13 <adq> i'm not a graphist, so i have no choice at this time than to use materials from others (respecting the license of course)
Jun 01 13:25:27 <Tankman78> yeah art is hard to do
Jun 01 13:25:28 <adq> Tankman78, i think i need few monthes
Jun 01 13:25:32 <Tankman78> im trying to do my own
Jun 01 13:25:50 <Tankman78> want to check out my game?
Jun 01 13:25:57 <adq> especially i don't have a story (lol) or a title (bis)
Jun 01 13:26:08 <adq> Tankman78, yes please, i'm curious
Jun 01 13:26:18 <Tankman78> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.badlogic.Arena&hl=en
Jun 01 13:26:28 <adq> woot you're from badlogic?
Jun 01 13:26:39 <adq> i came across their tutorials, helped me :)
Jun 01 13:26:58 <adq> nice
Jun 01 13:27:17 <adq> i'm not fan of this style of gui, but i have to admit it's consistent/harmonized
Jun 01 13:27:23 <ciurkut> anyone wants to help me understand what code that i have does?
Jun 01 13:27:28 <ciurkut> plox
Jun 01 13:27:35 <Tankman78> im using the game framework, but im not one of the developers :)
Jun 01 13:27:36 <adq> the combat sytstem seems advanced *.*
Jun 01 13:27:38 <ciurkut> and how to interact with it?
Jun 01 13:28:14 <adq> Tankman78, great job!
Jun 01 13:28:18 <Tankman78> yeah the gameplay is similar to controlling a wow group yourself
Jun 01 13:28:21 <adq> especially using a gameengine
Jun 01 13:28:28 <adq> i would not have imagine it's possible to go so far
Jun 01 13:29:14 <Tankman78> it's not really a game engine, it basically gives you a render loop
Jun 01 13:29:20 <Tankman78> and you write all your own code from there
Jun 01 13:29:42 <Tankman78> but obviously it's got classes for textures, sprites..etc so you don't have to make opengl calls yourself...etc
Jun 01 13:29:50 <adq> :)
Jun 01 13:30:45 <adq> Tankman78, how much time did it cost to make and relase your game?
Jun 01 13:31:12 <ciurkut> ...and how much money you make out of it?:<
Jun 01 13:31:16 <Tankman78> ive been working on it for maybe 6-7 months
Jun 01 13:31:22 <adq> lol ciurkut
Jun 01 13:31:27 <ciurkut> Tankman consider annoying ads
Jun 01 13:31:29 <Tankman78> that's just a demo though, im working on the final version now
Jun 01 13:31:34 <ciurkut> that when you press back button
Jun 01 13:31:39 <ciurkut> it shows adds
Jun 01 13:31:41 <adq> Tankman78, really great :)
Jun 01 13:31:44 <ciurkut> instead of quiting
Jun 01 13:31:44 <ciurkut> :C
Jun 01 13:31:46 <Tankman78> the demo has the first world only
Jun 01 13:31:57 <ciurkut> i saw topic that some guy is making 200$ per day
Jun 01 13:31:57 <adq> ciurkut, yeah i think some stuff from appbrain does that
Jun 01 13:32:06 <ciurkut> truck driving 3d
Jun 01 13:32:10 <ciurkut> or truck parking 3d
Jun 01 13:32:13 <ciurkut> forget which one
Jun 01 13:32:19 <ciurkut> when i first launched it
Jun 01 13:32:25 <Tankman78> ciurkut: what do you mean? dont put annoying adds?
Jun 01 13:32:29 <ciurkut> i displayed ads about 5 times
Jun 01 13:32:38 <adq> problem is dev wants more money from ad and become to really annoy the user with interstitial, video ads & other crazy stuff
Jun 01 13:32:46 <adq> just to make a bit more money
Jun 01 13:32:51 <ciurkut> tankman
Jun 01 13:32:55 <ciurkut> youre in main menu
Jun 01 13:32:58 <ciurkut> you want to quit
Jun 01 13:33:00 <ciurkut> so you press
Jun 01 13:33:02 <ciurkut> back
Jun 01 13:33:05 <Tankman78> everything ive read about ads is that unless you have hundreds of thousands of active users, you aren't making much
Jun 01 13:33:06 <ciurkut> than ad shows
Jun 01 13:33:19 <ciurkut> than you press back
Jun 01 13:33:21 <adq> yes Tankman78, even more is needed
Jun 01 13:33:22 <ciurkut> than main menu shows
Jun 01 13:33:28 <ciurkut> than you press back again
Jun 01 13:33:31 <ciurkut> ad shows
Jun 01 13:33:37 <ciurkut> and user is confused
Jun 01 13:33:43 <Tankman78> i'll include an ads minigame
Jun 01 13:33:43 <ciurkut> and doesnt know how to leave your app
Jun 01 13:33:44 <ciurkut> :<
Jun 01 13:33:54 <adq> agreed,
Jun 01 13:33:57 <Tankman78> the more ads you watch and click, the more bonus XP you get
Jun 01 13:34:12 <Tankman78> for every 100 adds clicked, you get a damage buff
Jun 01 13:34:30 <adq> inotia3 (great rpg) had really annoyed me
Jun 01 13:34:41 <adq> with their crazy ads behavior, similar to what you describe ciurkut
Jun 01 13:34:52 <ciurkut> yep
Jun 01 13:34:59 <ciurkut> also there is tutorial on youtube
Jun 01 13:35:01 <ciurkut> on making ads
Jun 01 13:35:06 <ciurkut> where button always is
Jun 01 13:35:07 <Tankman78> im seeing a lot of 1 stars on angry birds these days
Jun 01 13:35:10 <ciurkut> so user want to click
Jun 01 13:35:10 <Tankman78> because of ads
Jun 01 13:35:10 <adq> worst ad we can have now, is outside of the app in the notification bar
Jun 01 13:35:14 <ciurkut> and ad pops up
Jun 01 13:35:27 <adq> it's crazy, it's like you will watch a tv show without ads, but all the other time ads would pop on the tv
Jun 01 13:35:35 <adq> it's totally annoying and bad
Jun 01 13:35:53 <adq> some ppl would see their mother for money, so it's not surprising
Jun 01 13:35:54 <adq> lol
Jun 01 13:36:00 <adq> s/see/sell/
Jun 01 13:36:24 <adq> keep your soul far from the devil, imho
Jun 01 13:36:32 <Tankman78> I personally don't like games with IAP either...but that's where we are heading
Jun 01 13:37:06 <Tankman78> i hate all the free to play mmos these days
Jun 01 13:37:07 <ciurkut> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor
Jun 01 13:37:09 <ciurkut> guys
Jun 01 13:37:16 <ciurkut> tell me please how its supposed to work
Jun 01 13:37:19 <adq> i have nothing against IAB, except in big mmo where it highly disturbs the equilibrium between ppl who plays for free and ppl who paid
Jun 01 13:38:15 <Tankman78> the problem is that I hate playing a free game...and have no idea how much I have to pay to enjoy it
Jun 01 13:38:15 <ciurkut> anyone?
Jun 01 13:38:16 <adq> ciurkut, what do you meant?
Jun 01 13:38:22 <ciurkut> is able to explain me what does it do?
Jun 01 13:38:33 <ciurkut> :c
Jun 01 13:38:40 <ciurkut> i see there is broadcast receiver
Jun 01 13:38:43 <ciurkut> that starts service
Jun 01 13:38:44 <adq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data
Jun 01 13:38:46 <ciurkut> on boot
Jun 01 13:38:58 <adq> it's like the code you type *#*#4636...
Jun 01 13:39:00 <ciurkut> but how to interact with service
Jun 01 13:39:07 <ciurkut> to get ussd msg
Jun 01 13:39:10 <ciurkut> interceptrd
Jun 01 13:39:15 <ciurkut> i know what it is
Jun 01 13:39:19 <ciurkut> im asking about https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor
Jun 01 13:39:33 <adq> yup according to the desc
Jun 01 13:39:34 <ciurkut> i want to understand what it does
Jun 01 13:39:35 <adq> << USSD Interceptor is an Android service that allows intercepting and receiving USSD calls text results and re-broadcasting them for any listeners >>
Jun 01 13:39:50 <adq> it will catch for you then rebroadcast it, so you just have to use a broadcast receiver
Jun 01 13:40:04 <adq> to filter it yourself
Jun 01 13:40:14 <ciurkut> so it sends broadcasts?
Jun 01 13:40:20 <ciurkut> i see there is part
Jun 01 13:40:29 <ciurkut> where it listens to broadcasts
Jun 01 13:40:35 <ciurkut> to that particular service
Jun 01 13:40:35 <adq> yes
Jun 01 13:40:38 <adq> according to the source
Jun 01 13:40:39 <adq> 				sendBroadcast(new Intent(Intent.ACTION_GET_CONTENT, ussdDataUri));
Jun 01 13:40:51 <adq> and ussdDataUri is filled
Jun 01 13:41:48 <ciurkut> so now
Jun 01 13:41:50 <ciurkut> to use it
Jun 01 13:41:54 <ciurkut> ill have to install it
Jun 01 13:41:55 <adq> it listens to broadcast to know boot is completed (it's a service which runs at boot)
Jun 01 13:41:57 <ciurkut> and in my app
Jun 01 13:42:09 <ciurkut> listen for broadcast
Jun 01 13:42:09 <Tankman78> what app are you making?
Jun 01 13:42:12 <ciurkut> that it sends
Jun 01 13:42:13 <ciurkut> right?
Jun 01 13:42:25 <adq> and also on ussd of course
Jun 01 13:42:46 <ciurkut> what?
Jun 01 13:42:52 <ciurkut> and also on ussd of course?
Jun 01 13:42:55 <ciurkut> what you mean?
Jun 01 13:43:13 <adq> in order to forward it, it has first to listen ot it
Jun 01 13:43:51 <ciurkut> where is that in code?
Jun 01 13:44:16 <adq> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor/blob/master/src/com/codedemigod/services/CDUSSDService.java
Jun 01 13:44:20 <ciurkut> i see only broadcast receiver that is used to get msg's from other activities
Jun 01 13:44:31 <ciurkut> to start/delete forwarding
Jun 01 13:44:55 <ciurkut> which line?
Jun 01 13:45:01 <ciurkut> listens for ussd
Jun 01 13:45:10 <bluesm1> If I copy view.
Jun 01 13:45:16 <bluesm1> It would have the same id ?
Jun 01 13:45:26 <adq> ciurkut, starts at line 22
Jun 01 13:45:45 <adq> l26: //activity wishes to listen to USSD returns, so activate this
Jun 01 13:46:07 <ciurkut> so activity sends broadcast
Jun 01 13:46:12 <ciurkut> on which it reacts
Jun 01 13:46:19 <ciurkut> starting listener/forwarder
Jun 01 13:46:21 <ciurkut> right?
Jun 01 13:46:38 <adq> it looks like
Jun 01 13:46:46 <ciurkut> so what happens next
Jun 01 13:47:17 <ciurkut> how it intercepts it
Jun 01 13:47:21 <ciurkut> where it does it?
Jun 01 13:48:30 <adq> no clue ciurkut, but in https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor/blob/master/AndroidManifest.xml
Jun 01 13:48:33 <adq>                 <action android:name="com.android.ussd.IExtendedNetworkService" />
Jun 01 13:48:38 <adq> it might be linked to the aidl
Jun 01 13:48:55 <adq> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor/blob/master/src/com/android/internal/telephony/IExtendedNetworkService.aidl
Jun 01 13:49:01 <adq> but i'm not familiar (yet) with aidl
Jun 01 13:49:05 <adq> cannot explain
Jun 01 13:54:49 <ciurkut> adq
Jun 01 13:54:57 <ciurkut> so how would an activity
Jun 01 13:54:59 <ciurkut> work with that
Jun 01 13:55:00 <ciurkut> ?
Jun 01 13:56:59 <ciurkut> come back!
Jun 01 13:57:00 <ciurkut> :C
Jun 01 13:57:04 <ciurkut> we aint done yet
Jun 01 13:57:08 <adq> lol
Jun 01 13:57:13 <adq> why don't you contact the author?
Jun 01 13:57:31 <adq> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor/commit/b524c59d9038006d0dc629b8a2a5e28866ba6e37
Jun 01 14:05:57 <ciurkut> ive messaged him
Jun 01 14:06:02 <ciurkut> hope he replies
Jun 01 14:07:51 <ciurkut> adq ive installed it
Jun 01 14:07:57 <lou_> morning everyone
Jun 01 14:08:01 <ciurkut> and it doesnt shows in running apps
Jun 01 14:08:10 <ciurkut> morning
Jun 01 14:08:26 <lou_> does anyone know what is the best DB driver for android nowadays?
Jun 01 14:08:41 <lou_> I was using JDBC last yr and am not sure if that is still the bext option
Jun 01 14:09:04 <adq> ciurkut, it's a service which runs at boot
Jun 01 14:09:07 <adq> you might have to reboot
Jun 01 14:09:18 <adq> there is no activity with Launcher
Jun 01 14:09:19 <ciurkut> i did reboot
Jun 01 14:09:26 <ciurkut> it doesnt show in running
Jun 01 14:09:42 <ciurkut> still
Jun 01 14:09:49 <adq> i cannot help you for that, sorry
Jun 01 14:10:05 <ciurkut> mr lou
Jun 01 14:10:12 <ciurkut> maybe you will be able to help me
Jun 01 14:10:38 <lou_> ok. what is it?
Jun 01 14:10:42 <ciurkut> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor
Jun 01 14:10:45 <ciurkut> look at it
Jun 01 14:10:58 <ciurkut> and try to explain to me how it supposed to work
Jun 01 14:11:02 <ciurkut> or is it not done?
Jun 01 14:11:03 <ciurkut> or what
Jun 01 14:11:14 <ciurkut> i mean we figured out
Jun 01 14:11:21 <ciurkut> that you have to send broadcast
Jun 01 14:11:34 <lou_> ok. am not sure what i'll be looking at
Jun 01 14:11:40 <ciurkut> first it loads service on boot
Jun 01 14:11:49 <ciurkut> than this service reacts on broadcasts
Jun 01 14:11:57 <lou_> ok
Jun 01 14:12:04 <ciurkut> so we have to send broadcast msg to service
Jun 01 14:12:11 <ciurkut> so it is activated
Jun 01 14:12:14 <lou_> ok
Jun 01 14:12:18 <ciurkut> than it should forward ussd msg
Jun 01 14:12:20 <ciurkut> to activity
Jun 01 14:12:31 <lou_> ok
Jun 01 14:12:36 <ciurkut> but first question
Jun 01 14:12:43 <ciurkut> after installing it doesnt show in running apps
Jun 01 14:12:49 <ciurkut> even after reboot
Jun 01 14:13:18 <lou_> ok. have you tried running the application in debug mode with phone plugged to computer?
Jun 01 14:13:18 <ciurkut> why could that be?
Jun 01 14:13:33 <ciurkut> i have phone plugged in debug mode
Jun 01 14:13:38 <ciurkut> how could i check if it runs
Jun 01 14:13:42 <lou_> ok, does that work?
Jun 01 14:14:09 <ciurkut> what?
Jun 01 14:14:14 <lou_> the way I do it is: I put a breakpoint on first line of onCreate.
Jun 01 14:14:14 <ciurkut> there is no activity in there
Jun 01 14:14:16 <ciurkut> only service
Jun 01 14:14:23 <lou_> mmmm
Jun 01 14:14:26 <ciurkut> there is no activity there
Jun 01 14:14:56 <lou_> you do have an activity that kicks off the process correct? that activity starts the service, correct?
Jun 01 14:15:14 <ciurkut> nope
Jun 01 14:15:20 <ciurkut> broadcast receiver starts it
Jun 01 14:15:24 <ciurkut> i mean its not my project
Jun 01 14:15:29 <ciurkut> and documentation is lacking
Jun 01 14:15:35 <ciurkut> so we are guessing right now
Jun 01 14:15:44 <ciurkut> it should get started on boot
Jun 01 14:15:51 <ciurkut> https://github.com/alaasalman/ussdinterceptor look at manifest
Jun 01 14:15:54 <lou_> wow. see, I always start my service from an activity; so, am not sure about this as well
Jun 01 14:16:18 <lou_> well, let me ask you this
Jun 01 14:16:50 <lou_> just to make sure that your service is good and workable, can you have it kick off from an activity?
Jun 01 14:17:02 <lou_> this way, you can confirm that it is working properly
Jun 01 14:17:04 <ciurkut> mkay
Jun 01 14:17:06 <ciurkut> w8
Jun 01 14:17:15 <lou_> does that make sense?
Jun 01 14:19:22 <lou_> in the meantime, does anyone know if jdbc is still the best option to interface with a remote DB Server?
Jun 01 14:19:28 <lou_> MS SQL to be exact
Jun 01 14:21:24 <ciurkut> lou_ it starts now
Jun 01 14:21:27 <ciurkut> but not on boot :C
Jun 01 14:22:47 <lou_> mmmm...do you think that permissions may be an issue?
Jun 01 14:23:05 <ciurkut> it has android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED
Jun 01 14:23:08 <ciurkut> so probably nope
Jun 01 14:23:44 <ciurkut> but now that it works
Jun 01 14:23:48 <ciurkut> lets go to another step
Jun 01 14:24:07 <lou_> i dont know man. I've never tried a service like that. Are there example services online that startup at boot?
Jun 01 14:24:22 <ciurkut> wait
Jun 01 14:24:25 <ciurkut> its not the point
Jun 01 14:24:28 <ciurkut> now
Jun 01 14:24:31 <ciurkut> look in service
Jun 01 14:24:38 <ciurkut> at file in line 24
Jun 01 14:24:44 <ciurkut> it starts broadcast receiver
Jun 01 14:25:24 <lou_> well, it's a good point because if there is an example service source code that you can download and try to launch, you can use it as reference, no?
Jun 01 14:25:36 <ciurkut> yep
Jun 01 14:25:40 <ciurkut> but now i get it working
Jun 01 14:25:45 <ciurkut> and know that its ok
Jun 01 14:25:49 <ciurkut> we will fix that later
Jun 01 14:25:58 <ciurkut> now ill add button to activate that service
Jun 01 14:26:04 <lou_> ok
Jun 01 14:26:04 <ciurkut> but how
Jun 01 14:26:13 <ciurkut> i should send some kind of broadcast?
Jun 01 14:26:14 <ciurkut> or what
Jun 01 14:26:16 <ciurkut> ?:<
Jun 01 14:26:41 <lou_> from where? are you testing the kickoff of the service from an activity?
Jun 01 14:26:48 <ciurkut> nope
Jun 01 14:26:52 <ciurkut> it started
Jun 01 14:26:54 <ciurkut> normally
Jun 01 14:26:57 <lou_> ok
Jun 01 14:26:58 <ciurkut> now i want to activate it
Jun 01 14:27:02 <ciurkut> cause in service
Jun 01 14:27:09 <ciurkut> it listens for some kind of intent
Jun 01 14:27:14 <ciurkut> broadcast
Jun 01 14:27:14 <lou_> yes.
Jun 01 14:27:15 <ciurkut> *
Jun 01 14:27:24 <ciurkut> so how would i activate it
Jun 01 14:27:25 <ciurkut> ?
Jun 01 14:27:36 <lou_> let me reference one of my apps that does it
Jun 01 14:27:46 <ciurkut> ok
Jun 01 14:28:22 <lou_> I was using a service for socket communication in one of my apps
Jun 01 14:28:39 <ciurkut> yep
Jun 01 14:28:50 <ciurkut> im kinda noob in broadcasts etc
Jun 01 14:29:01 <ciurkut> public void onReceive(Context context, Intent intent) {
Jun 01 14:29:02 <ciurkut> 				if(intent.getAction().equals(Intent.ACTION_INSERT)){
Jun 01 14:29:04 <ciurkut> that
Jun 01 14:29:08 <ciurkut> i dont understand
Jun 01 14:29:13 <ciurkut> so from activity
Jun 01 14:29:17 <ciurkut> i should start intent
Jun 01 14:29:29 <ciurkut> but what should it look like?
Jun 01 14:29:57 <lou_> i know. wait. i have to boot up my NAS to get source code
Jun 01 14:30:21 <lou_> pm me. lets not flood the room
Jun 01 14:36:39 <norbi> hi guys, im kinda new in android and now working with fragments, im trying to add buttons into the fragment then replace the fragment when one button clicked
Jun 01 14:37:55 <norbi> but im getting a NPE at btn1.setOnClickListener(btnOnClickListener); in this code http://pastebin.com/pw7SUrHu
Jun 01 14:38:24 <norbi> im thinking if i should notify the activity about that a click event happened, but dont know how to do that
Jun 01 14:38:31 <norbi> can you help me out please?
Jun 01 14:41:15 <StupidPanda> norbi: try making second parameter to inflater.inflate on line 5 to 'null'
Jun 01 14:41:54 <SimonVT> btn1 is null
Jun 01 14:43:26 <norbi> StupidPanda: same thing happens
Jun 01 14:44:05 <StupidPanda> hmm, sorry. I do remember reading that the container is not to be actually used in inflating layouts...
Jun 01 14:44:11 <StupidPanda> looks like this was unrelated
Jun 01 14:44:14 <ciurkut> anyone pro enough to help me with my strugle in getting ussd interceptor to work?
Jun 01 14:44:17 <norbi> SimonVT: why would be btn1 null when im inflating the layout wich contains the buttons
Jun 01 14:44:18 <norbi> ?
Jun 01 14:44:34 <SimonVT> Either you need to clean your project, or your layout doesn't contain btn1
Jun 01 14:44:35 <ciurkut> anyone wants try to help me?
Jun 01 14:44:53 <ciurkut> SimonVT
Jun 01 14:44:56 <ciurkut> would you?
Jun 01 14:44:59 <ciurkut> or are you busy
Jun 01 14:45:00 <ciurkut> ?
Jun 01 14:45:02 <SimonVT> no
Jun 01 14:45:13 <ciurkut> mr StupidPanda?
Jun 01 14:45:27 <StupidPanda> not right now, sorry :(
Jun 01 14:45:56 <norbi> SimonVT: here is the http://pastebin.com/uKK8dg9Z layout xml. it does contain the btn1
Jun 01 14:47:17 <ciurkut> ja yebie
Jun 01 14:52:00 <jayn> hello, who has already installed the new Androïd IDE please?
Jun 01 14:53:02 <monsti> as i have to work for my money and don't betatest for google, i wait for the 1.4 release ;)
Jun 01 14:53:23 <jayn> okay
Jun 01 14:57:59 <jayn> who has already installed the new Androïd IDE please?
Jun 01 14:59:17 <jdapunsa-_-> i have tried a new IDE
Jun 01 14:59:38 <jdapunsa-_-> i like it very much
Jun 01 15:04:31 <ciurkut> anyone want to help me with my struggle with ussdinterceptor?
Jun 01 15:05:06 <ciurkut> plox?
Jun 01 15:39:57 <StupidPanda> jdapunsa-_-: have you started using gradle as well?
Jun 01 15:41:57 <jdapunsa-_-> no not yet
Jun 01 15:46:22 <marrrk> Grr
Jun 01 15:47:11 <marrrk> Has anybody worked with AccessibilityNodeInfo?
Jun 01 15:49:19 <marrrk> I don't like getting a NPE for this: if(n.getChildCount()==1 && n.getChild(0).getClassName.equals("android.widget.TextView"))
Jun 01 15:50:22 <marrrk> getClassName()...
Jun 01 16:12:19 <xorgate> marrrk any reason you're not comparing the class objects
Jun 01 16:12:57 <marrrk> I could
Jun 01 16:13:02 <marrrk> Wouldn't solve the problem, though
Jun 01 16:13:11 <xorgate> so which part is null
Jun 01 16:13:31 <marrrk> the getChild(0) returns null
Jun 01 16:13:33 <ninharp> any one can tell me what hardware i need to create/debug a own rom from f.e aosp?
Jun 01 16:13:46 <ninharp> ive found pandaboard
Jun 01 16:14:03 <ninharp> if i understand it correctly is it officially supported by google
Jun 01 16:18:20 <Trudko> Guys I have simple app. I run camera intent and then I want to get whatever video was run and then send it somewhere(probably youtube not sure)  here is code http://pastie.org/7993495. problem is i launch the camer aok i record video but program does not seem to enter onActivityResult method after i hit back button on camerat in order to return to my app from camera app
Jun 01 16:23:54 <marrrk> so xorgate does that leave you as baffled as it does me?
Jun 01 16:25:50 <xorgate> marrrk no but i guess that's cause i'm not as invested in the matter as you are :)
Jun 01 16:26:51 <marrrk> Well it clearly has one child. But it returns null to me. That is an offense!
Jun 01 16:38:01 <Cafzalone> Hi Can any one advice me while creating a media player service and updating the UI as my service progress, how can I achieve this
Jun 01 16:38:30 <Cafzalone> hi
Jun 01 16:39:58 <Achillion> Sorry, I'm completely new to dev. I'm hanging around to see what sort of problems people run into and what kind of advice the more experienced users give out.
Jun 01 16:40:34 <Mavrik> Cafzalone, there are several ways, depending on whether your service will be used cross-process or no
Jun 01 16:40:59 <Cafzalone> Mavrik> Cross process in the sense?
Jun 01 16:41:08 <Mavrik> in the sense of… cross process.
Jun 01 16:41:30 <Mavrik> another process calling your service in your process.
Jun 01 16:42:14 <Cafzalone> Mavrik> No no other process will call my service
Jun 01 16:42:56 <Mavrik> Cafzalone, then you have several options since you can call into your service directly
Jun 01 16:43:20 <Mavrik> you can expose a static listener interface, you can use a message bus (like Otto) or you can use intent broadcasts and broadcast receivers
Jun 01 16:43:43 <Cafzalone> Mavrik> what i need is I need a media player to play audio file and i need to show the progress in ui and Iwant to control it(start stop seek etc)
Jun 01 16:44:09 <Cafzalone> can I get a sample code of any of these approach
Jun 01 16:45:29 <Mavrik> check Otto homepage
Jun 01 16:45:52 <Mavrik> for first approach, you DO know how to call a method in another class right? That's it.
Jun 01 16:47:13 <flipture> Does anyone know if its generally more efficent to pass around an object or making a db call to populate the object when you need it?
Jun 01 16:47:47 <Mavrik> flipture, depends on use case
Jun 01 16:47:54 <Mavrik> passing around objects is very cheap
Jun 01 16:48:09 <Mavrik> but they do eat up memory… accessing DB makes you hit IO and is generally undesireable
Jun 01 16:48:25 <Mavrik> if you have a small dataset, keeping objects loaded is way better for performance
Jun 01 16:53:03 <bitgod> can you write c apps in android?
Jun 01 16:53:10 <bitgod> live on tablet
Jun 01 16:53:25 <bitgod> i have access to root and a terminal
Jun 01 16:53:26 <misterli> Hello. What happen when i start an Activity with moveTaskToBack(true)? Does the current Activiy call onPause or does it really create the stuff in the background and keep it in background?
Jun 01 16:53:50 <misterli> bitgod. yes. Native coding is possible
Jun 01 16:53:57 <bitgod> ok
Jun 01 16:54:12 <bitgod> now how can i watch a youtube video AND type on terminal at same time?
Jun 01 16:54:19 <bitgod> youtube for c/c++ tutorial vids
Jun 01 16:54:26 <bitgod> i know android doesnt do multi app on screen
Jun 01 16:54:34 <misterli> ? They do. Check Samsung Multiwindow.
Jun 01 16:54:46 <bitgod> im on a toshiba thrive
Jun 01 16:54:49 <bitgod> honeycomb
Jun 01 16:55:23 <flipture> Mavrik: ok awesome. Thanks. It is quite a small dataset...
Jun 01 16:55:24 <misterli> It's possible. But it seems like that you should read the basics before doing that. Why do you need C for that? You can (hardly) do it with Java too.
Jun 01 16:55:54 <bitgod> cuz id like to f--k w/ learning c
Jun 01 16:56:00 <bitgod> while downstairs having coffee
Jun 01 16:56:04 <bitgod> and not be tied to my pc :P
Jun 01 16:56:15 <bitgod> andi dont own a laptop nor can afford one :)
Jun 01 16:56:35 <misterli> Then do not code on an android device. This is really not a good solution of coding/learning C
Jun 01 16:57:24 <bitgod> lovely
Jun 01 16:57:27 <Achillion> bitgod: you wont be getting proper C experience. If you want to be downstairs having coffee while working on your C programming, might I suggest you connect to your desktop remotely?
Jun 01 16:57:29 <bitgod> so we got a linux core
Jun 01 16:57:34 <bitgod> and a terminal and gcc on it
Jun 01 16:57:38 <bitgod> but cant code small apps
Jun 01 16:58:39 <Achillion> I do a lot of work by remotely opening files in VIMtouch and running through SSH on my desktop
Jun 01 16:58:56 <bitgod> VIMtouch is?
Jun 01 16:59:00 <Achillion> VIM for android
Jun 01 16:59:08 <norbi1> guys, does mobile internet on an android phone usually let you host a webservice, i mean can i access my web service over internet using the mobile net ip address?
Jun 01 16:59:19 <bitgod> whats vim
Jun 01 16:59:26 <bitgod> i doubt it norbi1
Jun 01 16:59:32 <bitgod> security reasons over air
Jun 01 16:59:48 <Achillion> bitgod: a text editor that's very popular with programmers
Jun 01 17:00:08 <Achillion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_(text_editor)
Jun 01 17:00:14 <bitgod> ok but this doesnt help me
Jun 01 17:00:32 <bitgod> i need to use my tablet's terminal window session + youtube tuts
Jun 01 17:00:37 <bitgod> so i can practice doing c stuff
Jun 01 17:00:41 <norbi1> bitgod: so i cant host a webservice on my mobile if i use the mobile net, i need to do it locally over router?
Jun 01 17:00:43 <bitgod> i can not afford a netbook
Jun 01 17:01:04 <bitgod> norbi1 that question is more suitable for #networking i think
Jun 01 17:01:13 <bitgod> not a mobile services guy sorry heh
Jun 01 17:01:23 <Achillion> bitgod: well it's possible you can do most of the basic stuff, though I've never tried. Since you're doing video tutorials, you might be ok. Give it a try, I guess
Jun 01 17:01:56 <bitgod> but how can i do 2 things at once?
Jun 01 17:02:09 <bitgod> i wish android had multiple windows per screen like linux and windows lol
Jun 01 17:02:25 <Achillion> Yeah, can't help you there. I know there are floating media players that play over other apps. There's bound to be one for youtube
Jun 01 17:02:34 <bitgod> ill look around
Jun 01 17:02:38 <bitgod> ty for your kind help
Jun 01 17:02:41 <flipture> android is not like windows or linux tho. its not a desktop os
Jun 01 17:02:50 <Achillion> and just a quick seach reveals https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sudsoftware.floatingyoutubepopupplayer&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zdWRzb2Z0d2FyZS5mbG9hdGluZ3lvdXR1YmVwb3B1cHBsYXllciJd
Jun 01 17:02:50 <bitgod> yes understood but its still linux
Jun 01 17:02:55 <bitgod> just prettier
Jun 01 17:03:16 <bitgod> ty Achillion
Jun 01 17:03:18 <bitgod> i owe ya one
Jun 01 17:03:19 <flipture> its based on linux
Jun 01 17:03:42 <Achillion> bitgod: no worries. Now I know too :) Also, in case you haven't come across it, have a look at Terminal IDE
Jun 01 17:04:02 <norbi1> bitgod: thanks
Jun 01 17:30:48 <xandroid1> Achillion:
Jun 01 17:30:52 <Achillion> hit me
Jun 01 17:31:00 <xandroid1> so far i got the terminal ide installed and media player
Jun 01 17:31:07 <xandroid1> but gcc doesnt exist :x
Jun 01 17:31:10 <Achillion> oh, you're bitgod
Jun 01 17:31:19 <xandroid1> yes im on my tab now
Jun 01 17:32:00 <Achillion> hm
Jun 01 17:32:04 <Achillion> I think it might have a different name
Jun 01 17:32:24 <Achillion> I think they call it "terminal-gcc"
Jun 01 17:32:43 <Achillion> Though I can't say how it differs. Maybe you're better off with standard gcc if you're doing tutorials
Jun 01 17:44:29 <Quest> hi
Jun 01 17:45:18 <Quest> Which mobile mobile to buy for development? the latest of the gingerbread OS ? and which brand ?
Jun 01 17:45:59 <misterli> you may use an emulator too.
Jun 01 17:46:28 <Quest> misterli,  ya but i need a real thing. making an app that involves gps
Jun 01 17:47:23 <misterli> Emulator can do fake-GPS too. Well, at least it doesnt matter which device. It depends what you want to code. If you are going high-intensive games with GL Support then you may use a device with high ram.  Elsehow a mobile device like sony xperia would be enough
Jun 01 17:48:16 <Quest> misterli,  i need real and changing coordinates
Jun 01 17:49:50 <Achillion> Quest: mock locations
Jun 01 17:50:25 <Achillion> Even when you do get your phone, your extensive testing will be with mock locations. Though I understand the need for real testing
Jun 01 17:51:43 <Quest> hm
Jun 01 17:52:32 <Achillion> I imagine that when you're trying to get some bug or a little peculiarity fixed, you wont be compiling and leaving the house every 10 minutes to test changes, will you?
Jun 01 17:52:55 <Quest> Achillion,  i have to manually "send" cordinates to the emulator. i need to test on real envivnment
Jun 01 17:53:36 <Quest> Achillion,  i would just put the phone in a car and sit at home and get the cordinates by httpURLconnection requests
Jun 01 17:53:37 <misterli> It doesnt make any difference
Jun 01 17:53:52 <Quest> misterli,  ^
Jun 01 17:56:18 <Quest> Achillion,  misterli  you there?
Jun 01 17:57:04 <Achillion> yes
Jun 01 17:57:31 <Achillion> My suggestion remains: get the basic functionality done using the emulator, and then do real world testing
Jun 01 17:57:33 <Quest> so which mobile and OS to look for
Jun 01 17:57:44 <Quest> Achillion,  that i have done. now its time to buy
Jun 01 17:58:16 <misterli> I used to use for TheftSpy Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, Galaxy S3, Sony Xperia U, Motrola Defy, Nexus and Samsung Captivate. It depends on the size of the project
Jun 01 17:58:47 <Achillion> well in that case, I can't help. I guess anything will do. Pick something you like :)
Jun 01 17:58:48 <Quest> size is very small
Jun 01 17:59:08 <Quest> its just a service that gets gps coordinates and displays soemthing
Jun 01 17:59:25 <Quest> my budget is 100- 150 dollars max
Jun 01 17:59:26 <misterli> in this case an emulator is just working fine
Jun 01 17:59:41 <misterli> in most cases its way better to use an emulator for GPS stuff (or ADB with Fake GPS Position)
Jun 01 17:59:52 <Quest> but i can get china mobiles in that range too. with 4.0 OS android
Jun 01 18:01:04 <Quest> Achillion,  misterli  galaxy Y has 2.3 ginger bread
Jun 01 18:01:04 <flyinghappy> hey guys, i am working on building a ROM for my asus transformer, i can get it to build and boot (need to work on some other things as well) but i'm wondering how i make the cell signal indicator disappear by default in my build?
Jun 01 18:02:22 <Achillion> Quest: for that anything will do really
Jun 01 18:02:42 <Achillion> gotta run
Jun 01 18:02:42 <Achillion> later
Jun 01 18:02:51 <Quest> thanks bye
Jun 01 18:02:53 <g00s> flyinghappy see our topic; try #android-root
Jun 01 18:03:10 <Quest> g00s,  any suggestons for me?
Jun 01 18:03:13 <flyinghappy> oops, sorry
Jun 01 18:03:14 <g00s> no
Jun 01 18:14:05 <xorgate> longshot time. looking for someone with an iphone that knows how to sniff packets :0
Jun 01 18:14:56 <g00s> xorgate might have good luck in #iphonedev
Jun 01 18:15:16 <g00s> lots of nice people there with … iphones :)
Jun 01 18:15:24 <xorgate> ah yes i was in the wrong chan.. iosdev
Jun 01 18:15:44 <g00s> i was thinking about getting one of those new $229 ipod touches though
Jun 01 18:16:16 <g00s> not as good of a value as a n7 but, for dev its good. and it has bluetooth low energy, yeaah!
Jun 01 18:17:39 <mvk> i've added a <Spinner/> to my View, on the view, only a white box is shown (like a EditText), but when i tap/click on it, the right dialog/dropdown list is shown
Jun 01 18:17:45 <mvk> how can i make my spinner (dropdown) look like a dropdown?
Jun 01 18:19:02 <Quest> misterli,   thanks. how about galaxy mini 2 , galaxy y and nexus s ?
Jun 01 18:23:59 <mvk> it's strange that my Spinner (dropdown) looks like a EditText widget right?
Jun 01 18:36:42 <Trudko> Guys I have simple app. I run camera intent and then I want to get whatever video was run and then send it somewhere(probably youtube not sure)  here is code http://pastie.org/7993495. problem is i launch the camer aok i record video but program does not seem to enter onActivityResult method after i hit back button on camerat in order to return to my app from camera app
Jun 01 18:37:37 <Zaknafein> what are the advantages of a native android app to say an app made in phonegap?
Jun 01 18:41:27 <mvk> anyone, any clue / hint
Jun 01 18:41:31 <mvk> im clueless :/
Jun 01 18:41:42 <mvk> ?
Jun 01 18:59:16 <Zaknafein> what devices are best for development?
Jun 01 19:00:48 <Quest> galaxy y is not upgradable.  how can you be sure it IS?
Jun 01 19:01:14 <canadiancow> Zaknafein, typically, nexus deviecs are good
Jun 01 19:01:23 <canadiancow> it depends on what you're doing though
Jun 01 19:01:33 <funkbox> Zaknafein: get nexus devices. do not get anything else.
Jun 01 19:01:39 <canadiancow> if you want to support 2.2+, you might want a nexus one, nexus 4, and maybe a nexus 10
Jun 01 19:01:42 <canadiancow> that would cover all your bases
Jun 01 19:01:44 <canadiancow> no wait
Jun 01 19:01:49 <canadiancow> replace the n4 with a galaxy nexus
Jun 01 19:01:50 <funkbox> nexus S ?
Jun 01 19:01:59 <canadiancow> nexus s runs GB to JB
Jun 01 19:02:05 <canadiancow> nexus one can do GB, galaxy nexus can do ICS and JB
Jun 01 19:02:16 <canadiancow> sure, you can buy everything, but if you just want a minimal set...
Jun 01 19:02:50 <canadiancow> and with a nexus 10, you can easily simulate a smaller, lower density device (like the nexus 7)
Jun 01 19:03:06 <canadiancow> at home, i like testing on 2.2 for my personal apps
Jun 01 19:03:16 <canadiancow> at work, i do all dev and testing on JB MR1
Jun 01 19:03:21 <canadiancow> but we have QA who tests on older stuff
Jun 01 19:03:26 <canadiancow> and we only support ICS+
Jun 01 19:05:02 <Mavrik> um
Jun 01 19:05:12 <Mavrik> actually Nexus devices aren't the best for dev testing
Jun 01 19:05:32 <canadiancow> unless you're doing low level hardware stuff, i disagree
Jun 01 19:05:43 <Zaknafein> mavrik, why?
Jun 01 19:06:17 <canadiancow> i can count the number of bugs we've found in gmail in the past 8 months, that only showed up on non-nexus devices, on one hand
Jun 01 19:06:26 <Mavrik> because one of the problems you hit immediately after going beyond a trivial app is problematic vendor devices and drivers
Jun 01 19:06:46 <Mavrik> also vendors tend to change things like font, dialog design and some other small things
Jun 01 19:06:58 <Zaknafein> so what do you recommend?
Jun 01 19:07:02 <canadiancow> if you use Theme.Holo, that won't matter
Jun 01 19:07:16 <Mavrik> right.
Jun 01 19:07:34 <canadiancow> well whatever Mavrik says, i'd still suggest a nexus 10
Jun 01 19:07:45 <canadiancow> it will get updates very quickly, so you'll have the latest version of android when it's released
Jun 01 19:07:50 <Mavrik> all the way until the point where Samsung has some interesting camera bugs, HTC has some very funny GL driver bugs and some other minor details :)
Jun 01 19:07:50 <canadiancow> and you can simulate smaller devices on it
Jun 01 19:08:11 <Mavrik> Zaknafein, depends on just how non-trivial your apps are
Jun 01 19:08:36 <Mavrik> Zaknafein, we tend to push UI so we're covering most major manufacturer bases before release
Jun 01 19:08:45 <Mavrik> but that depends on your budget
Jun 01 19:09:08 <Mavrik> I test my stuff on a HTC, 2 Samsungs, Sony and two nexus
Jun 01 19:09:14 <Mavrik> but that can be overkill for smaller shops
Jun 01 19:09:29 <canadiancow> what do you consider "trivial" ?
Jun 01 19:10:56 <Mavrik> an app that doesn't touch any of hardware or GL APIs and where UX designer doesn't care about advanced animations and font conformance
Jun 01 19:12:20 <canadiancow> if you care about things like "font conformance", use holo everywhere
Jun 01 19:12:25 <canadiancow> OEMs aren't allowed to modify holo
Jun 01 19:12:36 <SimonVT> Oh, phew
Jun 01 19:12:49 <SimonVT> For a second there I thought you were talking about the library
Jun 01 19:13:17 <canadiancow> i dont know what that is
Jun 01 19:13:19 <Mavrik> canadiancow, "right".
Jun 01 19:13:36 <Mavrik> also, not all fonts are rendered the same ;)
Jun 01 19:14:12 <Mavrik> SimonVT, ever used that one?
Jun 01 19:14:27 <canadiancow> Roboto is
Jun 01 19:14:31 <canadiancow> that's part of holo
Jun 01 19:14:34 <SimonVT> No
Jun 01 19:14:37 <SimonVT> Never have, never will
Jun 01 19:14:55 <SimonVT> And you should follow my example
Jun 01 19:15:04 <Mavrik> SimonVT, hmmmm, reasons?
Jun 01 19:15:55 <SimonVT> It's a bloated pos framework that saves you spending 10 minutes in themes.xml
Jun 01 19:16:30 <Mavrik> canadiancow, 1.) There's no Roboto on 2.3 and no light and some other roboto versions before 4.1 2.) Not all apps use only roboto 3.) There are some fun kerning differences on some Samsung devices when rendering text via Canvas
Jun 01 19:17:25 <canadiancow> solution: don't support 4.3 :P
Jun 01 19:17:46 <SimonVT> s/4.3/2.3/
Jun 01 19:17:50 <canadiancow> yes
Jun 01 19:17:51 <canadiancow> that one
Jun 01 19:18:20 <canadiancow> i released an app in december (so fairly recently), and it has over 85% on ICS+
Jun 01 19:18:23 <canadiancow> and it supports 2.2+
Jun 01 19:18:25 <Mavrik> SimonVT, sounds like you just saved me some time ;)
Jun 01 19:18:50 <nvx> hiya devs~
Jun 01 19:19:34 <nvx> I've been googling for some time and still found no answer. How do I get current bandwidth usage from wifi?
Jun 01 19:19:43 <g00s> Mavrik above you mentioned animations; have you found those to act differently across devices ?
Jun 01 19:20:07 <Mavrik> g00s, in some very severe edge cases yes
Jun 01 19:20:17 <Mavrik> mostly they involved an active GL context or a surfaceview
Jun 01 19:20:36 <g00s> hmm. i guess i haven't played around enough with animations myself, they are still kind of a mystery to me
Jun 01 19:21:01 <g00s> they are important, i need to see "moving experience" by romain again
Jun 01 19:21:02 <Mavrik> also devices tend to vary in CPU/GPU power and on some it's hard to pull off anything fancy - especially since animations are usually there to hide processing time
Jun 01 19:21:17 <Mavrik> and it's better not to have animations than to have them stutter
Jun 01 19:21:30 <g00s> interesting
Jun 01 19:21:46 <Mavrik> Nexus S is actually a pretty good test case, the performance of that device and GPU is pretty abysmal on 4.1
Jun 01 19:21:59 <Mavrik> if it works there, most 4.x+ devices are covered :)
Jun 01 19:22:56 <g00s> i dont think much has changed; if you are dealing with hw apis that use different chipsets on different phones, you got to test those devices separately
Jun 01 19:23:09 <g00s> i mean, if you care ;)
Jun 01 19:23:31 <Mavrik> mhm, that and screensize + performance
Jun 01 19:23:47 <Mavrik> you'd be surprised how many time I see apps that are totaly unreadable and unusable on mdpi screens
Jun 01 19:24:00 <g00s> i wish the developer console - uh maybe its there but i didn't see it - would show you the device used by people asking for refunds
Jun 01 19:24:11 <canadiancow> do they still sell mdpi devices? :P
Jun 01 19:24:17 <g00s> would be nice to see patterns
Jun 01 19:24:24 <canadiancow> g00s, ive never sold an app, so i cant help, but that's a good idea
Jun 01 19:24:30 <canadiancow> i'll put in a feature request
Jun 01 19:24:37 <g00s> :)
Jun 01 19:24:59 <canadiancow> this is within the 15 minute window?
Jun 01 19:25:09 <g00s> yeah
Jun 01 19:25:15 <g00s> i dont have many returns tho
Jun 01 19:25:53 <Mavrik> canadiancow, yes.
Jun 01 19:26:18 <Mavrik> g00s, yeah, the device console is pretty terrible at showing you patterns
Jun 01 19:26:26 <Mavrik> even for crashes they can't group by device
Jun 01 19:27:12 <canadiancow> i actually use bugsense for crash reporting
Jun 01 19:27:19 <canadiancow> that way im not dependent on the user clicking "report"
Jun 01 19:27:23 <canadiancow> and i get more useful information
Jun 01 19:27:34 <g00s> maybe i missed this too but, i wished the console gave me a breakdown of apps purchased by device screen size
Jun 01 19:27:52 <g00s> i would like to know how many 7" tablet users i have
Jun 01 19:27:57 <g00s> or 10"
Jun 01 19:28:00 <Mavrik> mhm
Jun 01 19:28:04 <Mavrik> we just run our own analytics
Jun 01 19:29:22 <g00s> Mavrik what analytics do you use ?
Jun 01 19:29:36 <Mavrik> we roll our own
Jun 01 19:29:44 <g00s> ah, yeah. cool
Jun 01 19:29:47 <Mavrik> not just for Android though
Jun 01 19:30:01 <Mavrik> we had enough infrastructure ready so we could just plug in Android parameters
Jun 01 19:35:28 <Ologn> g00s: I guess the main way to do that would be to do it by Android device
Jun 01 19:36:20 <Ologn> If there was a free data source matching device IDs to OS version, screen size, manufacturer etc., the program doing analysis on it would be trivial
Jun 01 19:37:16 <lukecarrier> Ologn, hurray for the fragmented market and lacking API
Jun 01 19:37:27 <lukecarrier> I love Android, but it sure as hell sucks sometimes
Jun 01 19:37:32 <Ologn> What fragmentation...
Jun 01 19:37:47 <Mavrik> Ologn, I would kill for a service that would be able to give me detailed device info in groupable form
Jun 01 19:37:54 <Mavrik> like… "Show me all devices without NEON"
Jun 01 19:38:01 <Mavrik> "show all Nvidia Tegra 2 devices"
Jun 01 19:38:02 <Mavrik> etc.
Jun 01 19:38:09 <Ologn> When Java Micro apps were out that has different key codes for each phone, that was fragmentation...
Jun 01 19:38:14 <Mavrik> "Show all devices that don't support 640x480 as recording resolution."
Jun 01 19:38:41 <g00s> would be nice to write ad hoc queries against it too
Jun 01 19:38:50 <Ologn> Designing for Windows...different screen sizes, graphics cards, chip manufacturers,drivers etc., that's fragmentation
Jun 01 19:39:09 <lukecarrier> Ologn, try developing for Linux desktops
Jun 01 19:39:10 <g00s> well, if they have you a documented schema / feed i guess we could do that ourselves
Jun 01 19:39:12 <Ologn> People can stick anything in their PCs...phones and tablets are generally sealed shut and that's it...other than SD cards
Jun 01 19:39:33 <lukecarrier> even the audio stack differs incredibly between distros
Jun 01 19:40:14 <Ologn> Something I would like is this...
Jun 01 19:40:32 <Ologn> I get to see what the top 10 daily device installs are by language or country
Jun 01 19:41:08 <Ologn> Also, if I have a person top ten for Slovenian speakers, I get to see what % of them do daily device installs
Jun 01 19:41:34 <Ologn> I'm interested in what all languages/countries are for all categories though...
Jun 01 19:42:31 <Mavrik> mhm
Jun 01 19:42:44 <Mavrik> for that kind of info we had to roll our own analytics
Jun 01 19:43:31 <Mavrik> also Play store location awarness is kinda wierd… Apple has that done better
Jun 01 19:43:41 <Ologn> I would do some work on it if I thought others would contribute some info
Jun 01 19:44:35 <Ologn> I could put some together in CSV, or XML or JSON or something...I could put it in MySQL...I don't have the time to chase down info on every device I see myself though..
Jun 01 19:45:11 <Ologn> I'll start putting something together in the next week...I'll look at my top daily device installs and try to find out all info I can on devices...
Jun 01 19:45:37 <Ologn> I mean, like the HTC One and such...I had no idea what devices those were when I first got hit with them...or Samsung S4s etc.
Jun 01 19:45:49 <Mavrik> mhm
Jun 01 19:46:29 <Ologn> So g00s, Mavrik, I'll float a signal here in a week or so when I start something...hopefully others will contribute some information...because I can't chase down every device myself
Jun 01 19:46:50 <Ologn> Thankfully Google Play dev console lets you ban "unknown" and "generic" and junk like that nowadays
Jun 01 19:47:22 <Mavrik> Ologn, ok, poke me here (or on mail) and so we see how much data we can provide :)
Jun 01 19:48:23 <Ologn> Mavrik ok...I guess the main data trickiness I can think of is I guess there would have to be two device ID's
Jun 01 19:48:50 <kevinb> i've used this page to find Build.* info on devices: http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&D=HTC+One&testgroup=system
Jun 01 19:48:59 <Ologn> A device ID for like a Samsung S3, and then a specified device ID for a Verizon S3, a Sprint S3 etc.
Jun 01 19:49:08 <Ologn> I'm sure xda-developers would be interested as well
Jun 01 19:49:12 <Mavrik> Ologn, those have different device IDs anyway
Jun 01 19:49:27 <Mavrik> we use Build.MANUFACTURER and Build.DEVICE which seems unique more or less on hardware
Jun 01 19:49:43 <Ologn> http://pdadb.net/
Jun 01 19:49:52 <Mavrik> S3s actually have different DEVICE identifiers for their branded versions (they're o3att, o3vzw or some such)
Jun 01 19:50:20 <cheese1756> Hi. Would you recommend Android Studio for everyday development, or is it not quite ready for that yet?
Jun 01 19:50:36 <Ologn> Mavrik, yaa
Jun 01 19:59:22 <Zaknafein> i found that android studio can't show you a graphic representation of your xml layouts if you already made those in eclipse
Jun 01 19:59:49 <Zaknafein> so im stuck using eclipse for my current project...
Jun 01 20:01:30 <Mavrik> Zaknafein, huh?
Jun 01 20:01:41 <Mavrik> that can't be true… AS just parses the XML
Jun 01 20:02:32 <SimonVT> And lawl at being stuck using eclipse because of graphical representation
Jun 01 20:02:52 <Quest> galaxy y is not upgradable.  how can you be sure it IS?
Jun 01 20:05:46 <tux_mind> hi all, who can give me a link that explain what retouch_binaries() does? it's a function in the edify language
Jun 01 20:13:25 <g00s> general intellij question - using eclipse for so long my muscle memory keeps tripping me up. if i want to call a function f with args (x, y, z) and i have variables of those types in scope, with eclipse i can type f enter , enter, enter and it formulates the call separated by ,'s
Jun 01 20:13:55 <g00s> its very quick, like maybe 1-2 seconds to get the whole invocation done
Jun 01 20:14:21 <g00s> i can' seem to figure out how to do this in idea - it pops up a little thing with the signature of the method i am calling
Jun 01 20:14:35 <g00s> the bolded argument the one being i need to put now
Jun 01 20:14:53 <g00s> but can't figure out how to just show me what avsr are in scope it can just put there
Jun 01 20:15:02 <g00s> s/avsr/vars
Jun 01 20:16:11 <g00s> i think this is where i need to see a vide of an expert idea using showing these small microinteractions that supposedly make intellij awesome
Jun 01 20:16:26 <g00s> except for its beauty, i'm not really finding it any more efficient than eclipse at all
Jun 01 20:16:46 <g00s> *video
Jun 01 20:19:41 <g00s> i should have typed a little slower and made more sense ;(
Jun 01 20:20:04 * g00s goes back to researching his new eventbus
Jun 01 20:39:15 <flipture> Anyone know anything about how to create a spinner from customAdapter then get an object reference from the spinner item that is selected?
Jun 01 20:39:21 <flipture> i'm stuck...
Jun 01 20:41:16 <flipture> Should something like this work? ListCategory selectedCategoryObj = (ListCategory) catSpinner.getTag();
Jun 01 20:41:25 <flipture> (probably notenough info but worth a shot...)
Jun 01 20:41:34 <lou_> afternoon everyone
Jun 01 20:42:07 <lou_> has anyone tried to query an external DB from android, like mysql?
Jun 01 20:44:44 <Quest> galaxy y is not upgradable.  how can you be sure it IS?
Jun 01 20:46:31 <lou_> anyone?
Jun 01 20:48:27 <Ologn> I think I have finished step one of the device information thing
Jun 01 20:48:46 <Ologn> I exported the matchups in the Google Play developer console via firebug and netexport
Jun 01 20:49:22 <lou_> anyone here familiar with SimpleCursorAdapter?
Jun 01 20:53:20 <lou_> for people that just joined, are you familiar with SimpleCursorAdapter?
Jun 01 20:53:42 <funkbox> lou_: what's yo question
Jun 01 20:53:47 <Rayne> lou_, spam spam
Jun 01 20:53:58 <funkbox> lou_: don't be that girl
Jun 01 20:54:10 <lou_> lol
Jun 01 20:54:33 <lou_> my question is: can I use SimpleCursorAdapter to work with a jdbc?
Jun 01 20:54:58 <Mavrik> before you even go that way
Jun 01 20:55:06 <lou_> I've been using JTDS library to communicate with a remote DB
Jun 01 20:55:13 <Mavrik> connecting to a DB somewhere else directly from your app is a terrible idea
Jun 01 20:55:18 <lou_> and today, I read up about SimpleCursorAdapter
Jun 01 20:55:22 <lou_> i know iknow
Jun 01 20:55:30 <funkbox> wow
Jun 01 20:55:31 <lou_> believe me, I've read about it, etc
Jun 01 20:55:41 <funkbox> lou_: you don't quite understand how bad of an idea it is
Jun 01 20:56:12 <lou_> I just dont want to spend hours digging into whether a SimpleCursorAdapter supports that type o interface
Jun 01 20:56:41 <lou_> i understand funkbox and I've read other workarounds like a webservice. believe me, I've read up on it
Jun 01 20:56:52 <funkbox> then why do it ?
Jun 01 20:56:55 <Mavrik> lou_, but, looking at the source, it doesn't look like SImpleCursorAdapter would mind on which type of cursor it has
Jun 01 20:57:02 <Mavrik> as long as the implementation of the Cursor is ok
Jun 01 20:57:38 <lou_> yeah, I understand that and I dont think that the jtds library returns cursors
Jun 01 20:58:11 <lou_> which means that SimpleCursorAdapter may not be the answer. any other type of adapter that may be best suited to support a ListView?
Jun 01 20:58:19 <Mavrik> well
Jun 01 20:58:25 <Mavrik> usually you just roll your own
Jun 01 20:58:55 <lou_> and I've done that before. I just want to make sure that am using the best tools to get the job done
Jun 01 20:59:13 <Mavrik> mhm
Jun 01 20:59:50 <lou_> thx. now, this is a close network that we use for our automated system
Jun 01 21:00:41 <lou_> am just trying to create a mobile client that displays realtime data, which hour desktop client is already doing. that's all besides the point, i know; but, am just sharing to conclude
Jun 01 21:00:43 <lou_> thanks
Jun 01 21:01:19 <Mavrik> lou_, yeah… even though using a more push-type architecture usually works way better for those use-cases
Jun 01 21:01:27 <Mavrik> are queries fast enough for you now?
Jun 01 21:01:56 <lou_> they have been. at least in the desktop applications with the use of ADO
Jun 01 21:02:12 <lou_> we haven't tried it with an android app
Jun 01 21:02:20 <lou_> but, hang on.lol
Jun 01 21:02:39 <lou_> this is not an extensive DB and there arent thousands of entries to display
Jun 01 21:02:59 <lou_> a couple hundred rows in a worst case scenario
Jun 01 21:04:03 <lou_> basically, the system tells robots what to do. We just need a display that shows the different requests that the robots are performing; so, think about that. we only have one site with 150 robots at the most
Jun 01 21:04:37 <lou_> so, it would be as many entries as there are robots; so, very light, i think
Jun 01 21:04:47 <Mavrik> mhm
Jun 01 21:05:19 <lou_> what do you think? anything
Jun 01 21:05:50 <Mavrik> lou_, I don't know your usecase and just how realtime the data should be :)
Jun 01 21:06:09 <lou_> ah, every 5 seconds should do, i think
Jun 01 21:06:21 <lou_> worst case, 2 seconds
Jun 01 21:07:13 <lukecarrier> lou_, 60% difference
Jun 01 21:07:23 <lukecarrier> pretty big margin :p
Jun 01 21:07:26 <lou_> it's very time consuming to go to a desktop on the other side of a big plant to look at this type of info. I think, it would help
Jun 01 21:08:44 <lou_> lol. yes, 60% difference. as I mentioned, a close network for just our system, most of the time with a Gigabit bandwidth
Jun 01 21:09:19 <lou_> I guess, we'll see.
Jun 01 21:10:16 <lou_> alright folks, am out of here. thanks for the input
Jun 01 21:11:37 <quaa> Hey guys, I am trying to figure out a layout design for my app.  I want a scrollview wrapping a two col gridView with a large banner on the top of the screen(span both columns).
Jun 01 21:12:56 <quaa> I can't think of a way to do that since you can't wrap a gridView in a scrollView.  Basically I want the first banner to scroll with the gridView.
Jun 01 21:18:40 <convivial> Hi,
Jun 01 21:19:32 <convivial> when I do bluetooth, does BluetoothAdapter.ACTION_DISCOVERY_FINISHED get called when all devices are discovered or for each Action_FOUND on a device
Jun 01 21:21:29 <bluesm1> Wy eclipse is soo sloow ?
Jun 01 21:23:26 <convivial>  i ask because BluetoothAdapter.ACTION_DISCOVERY_FINISHED keeps getting broadcast over and over and I do a cancelDiscovery when it first recieve it
Jun 01 21:26:47 <bluesm1> What is MainActivity.this   ?
Jun 01 21:27:34 <funkbox> the instance of main activity
Jun 01 21:32:39 <bluesm1>  funkbox:  But how ? I mean, for me  "MainActivity" is the class, and "this" is the static variable.
Jun 01 21:32:59 <funkbox> its not
Jun 01 21:33:17 <bluesm1>  funkbox:  I saw somebody using this as context....
Jun 01 21:33:29 <funkbox> its not static
Jun 01 21:33:46 <bluesm1>  funkbox: So if I have several instances, "MainActivity.this" referes to which ?
Jun 01 21:34:39 <funkbox> google anonymous classes in java
Jun 01 21:46:39 <bluesm1> funkbox: What is there an annonymous class ?
Jun 01 21:51:30 <Quest> galaxy y is not upgradable.  how can you be sure it IS?
Jun 01 21:53:03 <leslie> MainActivity.this is for inner classes, bluesm1
Jun 01 21:53:20 <leslie> to differentiate between the inner class and the outer class
Jun 01 21:56:34 <bluesm1> leslie: AAAh.
Jun 01 21:57:07 <bluesm1> leslie: Because I create new class, say class of click listener.
Jun 01 21:57:28 <bluesm1> leslie: and keword "this" referes to that listener instance of class.
Jun 01 21:57:42 <leslie> right. the listener would be the inner class. if you want to reference the outer class, you have to use the outer class's name
Jun 01 21:58:01 <bluesm1> leslie: I need to refere to the outer class (parent class) by name of that class and .this ..
Jun 01 21:58:53 <bluesm1> leslie: I haven't noticed I'm in inner class :}
Jun 01 21:59:06 <bluesm1> leslie: funkbox: Thank you very much :]
Jun 01 22:00:13 <bluesm1> leslie:  But It isn't exactly annonymous class, it is just crating instance of class inside of class. It doesn't need to be annonymous to use "OuterClass.this"
Jun 01 22:00:52 <leslie> no, doesn't have to be anonymous. it can be a named inner class
Jun 01 22:01:20 <bluesm1> leslie: Yes. But funkbox redirect me to annonymous class :)
Jun 01 22:06:34 <flipture> Can anyone help me with a cusotmAdapter for a spinner? i'm so confused...
Jun 01 22:07:37 <flipture> Here's the pastebin.. my spinner is loading the same item two times instead of loading the two objects i have in the db :(
Jun 01 22:07:40 <flipture> http://pastebin.com/gFXEVhRF
Jun 01 22:17:35 <SpearThruster> finally... my Xperia S is getting Jelly Bean update!
Jun 01 22:17:47 * SpearThruster is running around in the channel hi-fiving people
Jun 01 22:19:23 <puff> I'm trying to write an activity that takes a photo shared from the gallery.  The android developer site lists several possibile ways content like this can be sent (http://developer.android.com/training/sharing/send.html#send-multiple-content) but what kind does the gallery use?
Jun 01 22:21:01 <g00s> as soon as i hear "photo" "camera" i think, good luck
Jun 01 22:21:53 <puff> g00s: Thanks :-).
Jun 01 22:22:20 <g00s> forewarned is forearmed !
Jun 01 22:22:29 <puff> g00s: I have an app where you're in the browser and you share, select my app, then it sends the app off to a website.  I want to do something similar with photos the user took with the camera.
Jun 01 22:22:29 <g00s> or something like that
Jun 01 22:31:57 <Jc_Dev> puff: so you want your app to be listed in the list of apps that you can share a photo too?
Jun 01 22:34:47 <puff> Jc_Dev: Got that part done, now I'm trying to figure out how to get the image.
Jun 01 22:36:06 <Jc_Dev> what content URI are you using?
Jun 01 22:36:39 <puff> Jc_Dev: Well that's what I'm trying to figure out - what content URI will the standard gallery app be using?
Jun 01 22:37:20 <puff> Jc_Dev: The use case is:  User opens gallery app, selects a photo, shares, selects my app's icon.  App activity posts the photo jpeg to a website.
Jun 01 22:39:08 <Jc_Dev> puff: the content uri is likely defined in a constant in MediaStore.Images.Media
Jun 01 22:40:04 <puff> In a constant?  Perhaps there's some android-specific nuance to URI that I'm missing...
Jun 01 22:40:40 <Jc_Dev> example: startActivityForResult(new Intent(Intent.ACTION_PICK, android.provider.MediaStore.Images.Media.INTERNAL_CONTENT_URI), SELECT_IMAGE);
Jun 01 22:40:53 <Jc_Dev> oh wait, that lets the user pick an image
Jun 01 22:41:02 <Jc_Dev> wrong use case - one sec
Jun 01 22:41:16 <puff> Jc_Dev: Ah, checked the api docs... so the MediaStore.Images.Media.getContentUri() returns the uri for the image storage table.
Jun 01 22:42:00 <Jc_Dev> ok yeah - try putting that in your manifest, i forget the exact syntax but you can register as a receiver
Jun 01 22:42:32 <Jc_Dev> then you can get the data out of the intent: Uri selectedImage = data.getData();
Jun 01 22:43:36 <Jc_Dev> oh think i found the syntax: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4669627/android-how-to-add-app-to-share-via-list-for-camera-picture?rq=1
Jun 01 22:44:31 <Jc_Dev> full example here: http://eggie5.com/8-hook-share-picture-via-menu-android
Jun 01 22:45:40 <Jc_Dev> puff: that should get you closer anyways - i'm afk for a bit
Jun 01 22:46:37 <puff> Jc_Dev: thanks.
Jun 01 22:55:30 <bluesm1> Why this method - >  builder.setNegativeButton("Hi", null);
Jun 01 22:56:07 <bluesm1> Wher builder is AlertDialog.Builder , isn't overloaded. And I have to pass null ?
Jun 01 23:29:28 <bluesm1> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/SharedPreferences.html#getString(java.lang.String, java.lang.String)
Jun 01 23:29:46 <bluesm1> defValueValue to return if this preference does not exist.
Jun 01 23:29:50 <bluesm1> What is the use of it ?
Jun 01 23:30:05 <SimonVT> ...
Jun 01 23:30:22 <SimonVT> It says right there what the use it
Jun 01 23:31:17 <bluesm1> SimonVT:  Hmm...
Jun 01 23:35:10 <bluesm1> SimonVT: So this is "default value" ?
Jun 01 23:35:44 <bluesm1> SimonVT: So it  would be equivaltent to (in scripting languages)   shp.getString("something", null) || myDefaultValue    ?
Jun 01 23:35:52 <Zaknafein> can someone explain why theres no isEmpty on strings in android
Jun 01 23:36:31 <g00s> you can use TextUtils.isEmpty()
Jun 01 23:36:33 <SimonVT> Zaknafein: Because there is
Jun 01 23:36:36 <Zaknafein> yeah ive been using that
Jun 01 23:36:38 <Zaknafein> but why
Jun 01 23:37:10 <g00s> because String is part of the java class library
Jun 01 23:37:26 <Zaknafein> the funny thing is that its a runtime error
Jun 01 23:37:28 <g00s> java just uses some of java's classes; when it does it as-is
Jun 01 23:37:32 <Zaknafein> which is ridiculous
Jun 01 23:37:43 <g00s> err, *android
Jun 01 23:38:21 <SimonVT> It's a runtime error if you use it below api 9
Jun 01 23:39:35 <g00s> SimonVT huh, never even saw String.isEmpty()
Jun 01 23:40:43 <SimonVT> It's about 2½ years old :p
Jun 01 23:41:04 <g00s> we're getting closer and closer to java 8 in android … i can feel it ...
Jun 01 23:41:43 <canadiancow> you mean 7?
Jun 01 23:42:14 <Zaknafein> someone on stackoverflow said that androids supports java 5 and it doesnt have isEmpty method for strings
Jun 01 23:42:20 <secleinteer> hi, i'm downloading a bunch of items using AsyncTask, and I need to trigger something once they're all done. in order to know when all AsyncTasks have finished, i was thinking of passing them a collection that i would add objects to when starting an AsyncTask and remove in onPostExecute, so the trigger is executed when the collection is empty. is that the right way to do it?
Jun 01 23:42:21 <canadiancow> and yeah Zaknafein, as SimonVT said, String.isEmpty() was added in gingerbread
Jun 01 23:42:27 <SimonVT> Someone on stackoverflow is an ididot
Jun 01 23:42:31 <canadiancow> so if you use a newer sdk than that, you can build your app
Jun 01 23:42:33 <SimonVT> Or posted before it was added
Jun 01 23:42:38 <canadiancow> but if you run the app on an older version...
Jun 01 23:42:48 <canadiancow> either way, TextUtils.isEmpty() is usually better
Jun 01 23:43:06 <canadiancow> almost all my string checks would be: s == null || s.isEmpty()
Jun 01 23:43:12 <canadiancow> and TextUtils.isEmpty() combines those for me
Jun 01 23:47:11 <bluesm1> What is the meaning of "toArray(new String[0])"
Jun 01 23:47:32 <canadiancow> in what context
Jun 01 23:48:23 <bluesm1>   canadiancow:   String[] stocks = stockSymobolEntered.getAll().keySet().toArray(new String[0]);
Jun 01 23:48:43 <SimonVT> Deja vu
Jun 01 23:48:46 <canadiancow> so im guessing getAll() returns a Map<String, ?>
Jun 01 23:48:54 <canadiancow> .keySet() gets a Set<String> of the keys
Jun 01 23:49:10 <canadiancow> and toArray() will return that as an array
Jun 01 23:49:15 <bluesm1> where stockSymobolEntered is SharedPreferences
Jun 01 23:49:20 <SimonVT> Scroll back about 16 hours and you'll see him ask that exact question and get an answer
Jun 01 23:49:32 <canadiancow> lol
Jun 01 23:49:48 <SimonVT> Jake was the last sucker to answer
Jun 01 23:50:14 <bluesm1> but why .toArray(new String[0]);     -> new String[0]
Jun 01 23:52:56 <zyngawow> Where can I find Andorid application ideas?
Jun 01 23:53:04 <canadiancow> play.google.com/apps
Jun 01 23:53:56 <zyngawow> Copying? :3
Jun 01 23:54:06 <bluesm1> canadiancow: I didn't get the answer why " toArray(new String[0])"
Jun 01 23:54:18 <bluesm1> Then, so i ask.
Jun 01 23:54:56 <SpeedEvil> zyngawow: I want a lock screen widget that if the phone is turned on in certain orientations does different things.
Jun 01 23:55:20 <zyngawow> SpeedEvil: Example?
Jun 01 23:55:21 <SpeedEvil> for example, turns on the flashlight if turned on with the flashlight facing down
Jun 01 23:58:53 <bluesm1> canadiancow: SimonVT: Ok. Thanks for you time :)
Jun 02 00:24:42 <g00s> anyone here ever use the SAP OData library on android ?
Jun 02 00:25:16 <bubbleguuum> really fucking Android user commenting on Google Play take developers for their bitch sometimes
Jun 02 00:25:20 <bubbleguuum> fuck them
Jun 02 01:28:40 <pfn> ugh, how the hell do I increase the size of the ddms logcat ringbuffer?
Jun 02 01:28:54 <pfn> it starts bouncing too quickly because the buffer gets filled and runs out of space in like 2 seconds
Jun 02 01:29:27 <pfn> ah, preferes -> android -> logcat -> max number of logcat messages to buffer
Jun 02 01:29:32 <pfn> 5,000 default, no wonder it sucks ass
Jun 02 01:30:00 * pfn increases to 500,000
Jun 02 01:31:49 <g00s> 500,000 should handle it :|
Jun 02 01:32:38 <g00s> havent tried recently, but the 4.2 x86 had a ton of logcat spam
Jun 02 01:32:52 <g00s> needed to filter it out
Jun 02 01:35:19 <pfn> yes, the rev1 x86 api17 image is broken
Jun 02 01:35:29 <pfn> and filtering it out sucks, because it starts bouncing the logcat window
Jun 02 01:35:35 <pfn> unless you increase the size of the buffer
Jun 02 01:36:28 <g00s> i submitted a bug i just use api 16 :D
Jun 02 01:36:33 <g00s> oops, half sentence
Jun 02 01:36:41 <g00s> ok, here is a bug i submitted https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=55229
Jun 02 01:36:43 <pfn> yeah, I just use the api16 image, too
Jun 02 01:36:51 <pfn> it's been broken since like november
Jun 02 01:36:57 <pfn> I don't think google ever plans on building a new image
Jun 02 01:37:02 <g00s> yeah, and you figured out my 2  1/2 sentences merged together
Jun 02 01:37:04 <pfn> they say it's fixed internally and waiting for a new sdk tools drop
Jun 02 01:37:20 <g00s> intel handles the x86 images
Jun 02 01:37:36 <pfn> I dunno, it takes all of a couple hours to build a new system image...
Jun 02 01:37:36 <g00s> notice there are never and rex n x86 images, where n > 1
Jun 02 01:37:50 <g00s> one would imagine
Jun 02 01:38:13 <funkbox> is it npe ?
Jun 02 01:38:34 <g00s> the x86 image didn't even have the email client so i could test ACTION_SEND the way i wanted to
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