**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 06 03:00:22 2013 Jun 06 03:03:04 Hi. First day into android development. Trying to use asynctask to create proper background thread, but really unsure about exection, particularly when declaring the class from a clicklistener. Am I doing this right? It's about beer. http://pastebin.com/pdisK2AZ Jun 06 03:04:29 plex, your click handler will instantiate and start the asynctask. I'm not sure where you're attempting to do that Jun 06 03:04:54 plex, but you don't need to put the asynctask as a nested class in the click handler, which seems to be a point of confusion Jun 06 03:05:35 erisco, it definitely is a point of confusion. How does the click know to execute the task then? Jun 06 03:06:30 plex, your click handler will have "new GetFile().execute()" Jun 06 03:09:12 erisco, that makes a bit more sense. let me try again. thanks Jun 06 03:13:18 erisco, shall I define my strings in the GetFile() then, and refer to them in each of the doinbackground, onpostexecute, etc... stages? Jun 06 03:21:00 plex, you mean pass them to the constructor? you can do that. Jun 06 04:08:58 HELLO PEOPLE! Jun 06 04:28:53 I'm a robot Jun 06 06:30:22 good morning :3 Jun 06 06:42:58 hey all :) is there any way to invoke a call on a device (outside emulator)? through "am" commands or a java app or something? Jun 06 06:43:08 like, a phone call Jun 06 06:43:16 without me having to ring my own phone on each test :P Jun 06 06:45:36 what's the fastest way to push a new development version of my app to my device? currently i'm doing "android tools -> export signed application package", following the steps, copying the apk to my device, installing it manually, then running it. is there any way to reduce the number of steps? Jun 06 06:47:57 click the play button in Eclipse Jun 06 06:48:27 i mean a physical device, not emulator Jun 06 06:50:46 I think both work Jun 06 06:50:54 eclipse can tell you where to debug/run e ap Jun 06 06:50:56 *the ap Jun 06 06:51:00 *app dammit Jun 06 06:51:23 ah, i'll look into that, i didn't know that was possible Jun 06 06:51:58 i guess i should read more Jun 06 06:52:17 or plain press F5 and see if it explodes or not Jun 06 06:52:18 lol Jun 06 06:52:35 ah well I guess I'll have to ring my own phone to do some testing... Jun 06 07:06:42 hello. hope everyone is well. Im trying to figure out why dpad is disabled on another a machine even though the tick box for enable hardware keyboard is checked. i thought maybe because its windows and a mac keyboard, but if there is something easier/obvious I'm not finding it. I'm worried it is juno. i downloaded juno on my own machine and it works, but i had created av.'s in indigo - that are in my .android file. anyone Jun 06 07:06:42 ever see this before? Jun 06 07:07:48 hey guys, anyone can help with some Google Play IAB issues? Currently I'm sending the developer payload in JSON and it gets returned fine from Google to the App. But the problem is, when I try to get the data from other API via the server, the XML under merchant-private-item-data returned a seemingly encoded String. Does anyone know how I can either decrypt this data or pass the data specifically when making the purchase so that it can Jun 06 07:07:48 be returned through other APIs? Jun 06 07:10:49 hmmmā€¦even though i did start Juno - i don't think the AVD manager i am looking at it the latest? the choice for d card is near the top and i remember in class it was near the bottom Jun 06 07:31:31 damn winegoddess hey Jun 06 07:31:44 remember we chatted once years ago funny u should show up Jun 06 07:33:49 sorry cant really help though Jun 06 07:33:56 * boytoy attracts a lotta attention and points at winegoddess Jun 06 07:34:14 :) Jun 06 07:34:20 hello boytoy Jun 06 07:37:37 after "adb install"ing an app, is it possible to get its UID? Jun 06 07:42:34 hi boytoy - got kicked off hotel connection - not sure if you saw my messages, but hello again! Jun 06 07:43:24 think i found out that you MUST use command line with newer and to enable dpad Jun 06 07:43:41 if anyone thinks this is wrong please let me know. :) Jun 06 07:45:23 hey that's great :) Jun 06 07:55:11 hey guys, can anyone tell me how Google encode the merchant-private-item-data of a transaction from the Android IAB API? Jun 06 08:02:53 anyone could help? been searching all over the web and the closes thing that talks about this is this thread: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/checkout-merchant/bwDbfsolQxI/C3gVdkorCBkJ Jun 06 08:19:22 I am on CM10.1 , i like to edit PhoneWindowManager.java , and recombile it , how can i do this ? Jun 06 08:29:48 dear, i want to change config_backKillTimeout but without hard code the valu , is there a way to change it on boot ? Jun 06 08:37:01 hi! is there ony official guide how to customize android( add my own system services, libraries, etc). i found smthng only on marakana resource(named remixing android), is here any oher sources of informaion aboit it? Jun 06 08:37:19 how can i change "config_backKillTimeout" value on boot without hardcod it in overlay/frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/config.xml Jun 06 09:01:57 I'm trying to upload an APK to developer console but it sais "Upload failed". Does it work for you? Jun 06 09:21:08 argh Jun 06 09:21:16 the layout system is making me crazy Jun 06 09:22:19 http://pastie.org/private/rb0s862hrhk82aikaj2sg Jun 06 09:23:07 this is what it looks like in android studio (and what it should look like): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20288789/fuckingshit.png Jun 06 09:23:17 may i ask you some thing ? please Jun 06 09:23:27 this is what it looks like on my n7: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20288789/2013-06-05%2018.17.41.png Jun 06 09:23:35 beshoo, sure, go ahead Jun 06 09:23:40 how can i change "config_backKillTimeout" value on boot without hardcod it in overlay/frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/config.xml Jun 06 09:23:47 but don't expect any meaningful answers Jun 06 09:23:57 :) Jun 06 09:24:28 i dont want to recombile frameworks-res.apk Jun 06 09:24:44 is there a way to set a global value on reboot ? Jun 06 09:25:01 like .profile or some thing ? Jun 06 09:25:11 hm, i'm more of an app dev than an android os dev Jun 06 09:25:19 so i'm not really the right person to ask Jun 06 09:25:27 hmmmm Jun 06 09:25:39 thank you :) Jun 06 09:25:53 sorry i couldn't help Jun 06 09:26:06 any layout pros here? Jun 06 09:26:08 np Jun 06 09:26:11 this is driving me crazy Jun 06 09:26:19 it seem just me and you :) Jun 06 09:28:21 mots, you probably use height=match_parent, but the height of the parent should also be match_parent Jun 06 09:28:42 * Eltjo Johannes Jun 06 09:30:21 mots: what's that embedded inside? Jun 06 09:30:29 tying to share projects build on eclipse indigo with older android. was working but now getting the issues where it is not generating R.java - have cleaned and rebuilt. project properties to include android version. tried removing import of R.java. can't find other suggestions. any other ideas? Jun 06 09:30:59 pjdelport, http://pastie.org/private/clt3o3biv4rdae1yi3i9g Jun 06 09:31:07 it's inside the viewflipper Jun 06 09:32:03 mots, height of scrollview should be match_parent Jun 06 09:32:18 mots: ah, you want android:layout_height="match_parent" in the flipper Jun 06 09:32:39 android:layout_weight is not valid there; it's not inside the LinearLayout Jun 06 09:33:13 I'm trying to upload an APK to developer console but it sais "Upload failed". Does it work for you? Jun 06 09:34:07 the ScrollView should probably stay layout_weight="1", rather than height match_parent (that will make it squeeze out the views below it, probably) Jun 06 09:35:46 mots, pjdelport is right, and you also need to set the height of the scrollview to 0px. Also, you need to set a layout_height to the include element, otherwise the width is ignored. And that 163 margin-top does not look right.. Jun 06 09:35:48 pjdelport, thanks, i'll give it a shot Jun 06 09:38:18 hm, I had to reload the developer console webpage and it works now, weird. Jun 06 09:41:04 okayā€¦seems like i need t update my sdk tools. message says 22 is needed. manager gives option for up to 20. hoping after instal i get more options? Jun 06 09:41:35 what's your current version? Jun 06 09:42:36 if you're below 20, it's pretty old Jun 06 09:42:47 might need to upgrade to that as an interim version Jun 06 09:46:09 pjdelport, aleb: http://pastie.org/private/jbwsumyrgosimcvool76vq http://pastie.org/private/p1ygnidq41irwixzj5gpmg Jun 06 09:46:14 still doesnt look right Jun 06 09:47:58 you'll want to take out the android:layout_weight from the ViewFlipper (shouldn't make a difference, but it's not meaningful there) Jun 06 09:49:09 mots: what are you wanting ? Jun 06 09:49:27 StingRay_, this is what it looks like in android studio (and what it should look like): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20288789/fuckingshit.png Jun 06 09:49:35 this is what it looks like on my n7: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20288789/2013-06-05%2018.17.41.png Jun 06 09:50:00 ah ok Jun 06 09:50:21 you sure there is not a view cache miss match with ide > apk ? Jun 06 09:50:32 as in clean and rebuild Jun 06 09:50:52 hm Jun 06 09:50:54 pretty sure Jun 06 09:51:31 ok well the include, has no layout params that control height Jun 06 09:51:58 by default it will come is and take parent conditions I think Jun 06 09:52:22 I have had that prob b4 Jun 06 09:52:35 had to place include in a frame/lin Layout Jun 06 09:52:48 hm Jun 06 09:52:55 then control the linLayout height that way Jun 06 09:53:02 has been odd sometimes Jun 06 09:53:13 i think it's the scrollview/flipper that mess things up, not the include Jun 06 09:53:24 the include is where it should be and has the size i want it to Jun 06 09:53:32 oh hang on Jun 06 09:53:45 yeah you have 0px height ? Jun 06 09:53:51 and weight ? Jun 06 09:53:54 what ??? Jun 06 09:54:03 i'm not sure why, aleb just told me to try it Jun 06 09:54:07 maybe he trolled me Jun 06 09:54:07 :P Jun 06 09:54:47 but hang on, you get a different result in AS viewer and on device ? Jun 06 09:55:05 wont make a difference but stop using "fill_parent" Jun 06 09:55:14 use "match_parent" Jun 06 09:55:21 fill_parent is depreciated Jun 06 09:57:01 I think you have a prob unrelated to layout Jun 06 09:57:11 if AS and device are significantly diff Jun 06 09:57:18 * Eltjo vraagt zich af wie er mee wil lunch halen @all Jun 06 09:57:34 hm Jun 06 10:45:45 I have a general question. Jun 06 10:46:00 Morning all Jun 06 10:46:06 rox: good for you Jun 06 10:46:36 When you hit the heap allocation limit in your apps (for example, when you are doing image manipulation), what is your general strategy to circumvent the limitation? Jun 06 10:47:23 Ankhwatcher: i know, it keeps me healthy. Jun 06 10:47:33 I'm having trouble implementing headers in navigation drawer, any help? Jun 06 10:49:26 hello Jun 06 10:49:35 Kadmos: yo Jun 06 10:49:48 does anybody knows httpurlconnection does reverse dns ? Jun 06 10:50:08 that results in 6 secs lags at offline environments Jun 06 10:50:34 https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=30664 Jun 06 10:55:59 You could try http://square.github.io/okhttp/ Jun 06 10:56:19 See if you get the same result. Jun 06 10:57:20 that you dude i'll try Jun 06 10:57:46 thank? Jun 06 10:58:03 rox: split it up into smaller bits? Jun 06 10:58:13 thanks Jun 06 10:58:16 rox: it depends on the kind of work, though Jun 06 10:58:18 * Jun 06 10:59:07 if you can do the manipulation in a streaming fashion, do that rather; if not, you have to figure out a different strategy Jun 06 11:01:49 Kadmos: might not affect things, but have you tried enclosing the IP address in [] ? Jun 06 11:03:03 nop Jun 06 11:03:43 does anyone know of a bit of navigation drawer example code that implements headers in the navigation drawer list Jun 06 11:22:20 hey guys… does anyone know if Google Analytics' tracking of transactions include the ability to store any developer payloads? Jun 06 11:50:51 StingRay_, mots, layout_weight=1 and layout_height=0px on the ScrollView is to make sure that the elements below it are always visible. Jun 06 11:52:15 indeed Jun 06 11:52:35 well depending on parent Jun 06 11:52:39 :) Jun 06 11:54:24 assuming a LinearLayout parent :) Jun 06 11:54:51 also assuming free space Jun 06 11:55:05 cause your above statement is not true in all cases Jun 06 11:55:07 :) Jun 06 11:55:19 but neways, the problem was AS and Device being different Jun 06 11:56:00 what's AS? Jun 06 11:56:14 Android Studio Jun 06 11:56:21 as in IntelliJ Jun 06 11:57:31 btw, does AS have extra/more Android features than IntelliJ? Jun 06 11:57:50 How is Android Studio better then eclipse+ADT? Jun 06 11:59:22 rox: aleb: currently it has several features eclipse+adt hasn't and the other way around, there is stuff working better ine clipse+adt Jun 06 11:59:32 aleb: yes Jun 06 11:59:45 rox thats subjective Jun 06 11:59:51 but intellij is a way better platform to code on, and gvies you opportunities eclipse platform doesn't Jun 06 11:59:55 it is and isn't like timroes said Jun 06 12:00:42 so its likely that in the future several new features won't make it into adt but into android studio Jun 06 12:01:51 for now the main difference you will notice will be, that android studio completely uses the new build system, and you will need to import your projects to gradle if you use it (what in a long term, you will have to do anyway, since the old build systems are going to be deprecated) Jun 06 12:02:37 ugh Jun 06 12:02:42 all myintel emulators started crahsing Jun 06 12:02:43 StingRay_, what's one extra feature that would convince me to use AS instead of IntelliJ? I'm thinking the Android support in IntelliJ is very very good.. Jun 06 12:02:43 wtf Jun 06 12:02:47 tim you using AS and gradle now ? Jun 06 12:03:18 aleb: drawable pre-vis in side bar ? Jun 06 12:03:20 StingRay_: yeah i do Jun 06 12:03:36 aleb: android studio is just a customized version of the android stuff Jun 06 12:03:39 timroes: and use external library projects too ? Jun 06 12:03:43 android studio is not eclipse based, or is it? Jun 06 12:03:46 you will get all what is in android studio back to regular intellij via plugins Jun 06 12:03:56 rox: it is intellij based Jun 06 12:04:30 aleb: and as far as i understood, google just took over the whole android plugins of intellij what was the base for android studio (and their customizzation to the plugins) Jun 06 12:05:11 StingRay_: at least for new projects i use it. for old projects I haven't ported everything yet, and for libraries I will wait until gradle has a bit more presence :) Jun 06 12:05:43 timroes: well I could not get anything that was supposed to work, to work with gradle and external "srcpath" stuff Jun 06 12:05:50 always failed/couldn't find Jun 06 12:06:00 and I cant find anyone who has done it yet Jun 06 12:06:10 so bit of a mess really Jun 06 12:06:12 :) Jun 06 12:06:13 hi guys. if you spawn a separate process via a service, is there any way around networkonmainthread exception? namely I have a lot of logic and wrapping all of that into async calls is going to be non-trivial Jun 06 12:06:17 haven't tried it yet, but i assume it should work :) Jun 06 12:06:30 what rembers me to file a bug report for android studio :) Jun 06 12:06:56 assume away, but it dont Jun 06 12:06:57 :) Jun 06 12:07:13 does itgive you any detailed errors? Jun 06 12:07:39 just missing not found, anything outside the project root path Jun 06 12:07:54 an the point of libaray projects is to exist outside Jun 06 12:08:05 fine if I put them inside Jun 06 12:08:10 but not what I want Jun 06 12:08:11 ah yeah :) Jun 06 12:08:13 deleet: you cannot do network IO on main thread Jun 06 12:08:13 so switch to ant Jun 06 12:08:30 i believe there is a setting you can put in the manifest to enable it but it is highly advised against Jun 06 12:08:31 because of the project -> application structure Jun 06 12:08:34 Hi guys, in the monitor app (monitor.bat the app for seeing logcat) it used to work that youd create filters and those filters would contain and remove items from the main log Jun 06 12:09:05 speakingcode-wor: well it's a different process with no UI so I don't care about it Jun 06 12:09:07 now it just seems to contain them, so if I make a dalvikvm filter, it just contains the dalvikvm messages and but also prints them to the main log Jun 06 12:09:17 StingRay_: i anyway guess libraries will hopefully used via central repository (or at least aar) files soon :) Jun 06 12:09:23 a different process? Jun 06 12:09:40 yes, when I launch my service I have process=":srvice" Jun 06 12:09:46 in the manifest that is Jun 06 12:09:50 that still on UI thread Jun 06 12:10:16 so you can have different process, but your still running networking on UI thread Jun 06 12:10:27 I see. that's.. confusing. Jun 06 12:10:37 so you need to manage that a bit Jun 06 12:10:46 you could use intentService Jun 06 12:10:51 if short lived operations Jun 06 12:11:03 nah, long lived / continuous Jun 06 12:11:19 StrictMode.ThreadPolicy policy = new StrictMode.ThreadPolicy.Builder().permitAll().build(); Jun 06 12:11:19 then get managing your threads :) Jun 06 12:11:27 and it also has a specific order (which is why I wanted single thread) Jun 06 12:11:28 ^^ i still feel like that is a bad idea even if it has no ui Jun 06 12:12:00 ok so, is there a method of communicating with a thread from the UI (messenger I suppose?) Jun 06 12:12:13 I can just have it loop and wait for events I suppose Jun 06 12:12:31 in short yes, but how depends on how you implement the threading and asynchronicity Jun 06 12:13:09 if I can have one thread and just message-pass actions to take I think that will make my life much easier Jun 06 12:13:32 yeah you can do that Jun 06 12:14:08 question is, how? where do I define the messenger / handler and how does the UI thread know about it Jun 06 12:14:18 you bind to it Jun 06 12:14:27 lots of info in docs on services Jun 06 12:14:38 http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html Jun 06 12:14:41 i believe android provides mechanisms for this, look in the services doc or async task doc for starters Jun 06 12:14:47 ^^^ Jun 06 12:15:24 well yes, this would be within a service .. so service { t= new thread() { h = new handler(); } } .. then bind to the inner handler from the service class? Jun 06 12:15:47 read the docs. There are examples in what I just linked Jun 06 12:15:51 ok thanks Jun 06 12:16:04 well i use async taks Jun 06 12:16:09 never threads Jun 06 12:16:23 same but it gets the point across Jun 06 12:18:39 ugh, cant belive I'm gonna do an iphone theme for an android ui Jun 06 12:18:51 believe* Jun 06 12:19:08 anyone good with animation? i did some sort of card slide in animation like google plus and apply to each item in a listview Jun 06 12:19:14 it looks fine when scrolling slowly Jun 06 12:19:31 I'm a good animator Jun 06 12:19:36 but when scrolling fast or fling, it becomes kind of jerky Jun 06 12:19:43 done animations in many films and games ;) Jun 06 12:19:47 not sure what is wrong Jun 06 12:20:22 StingRay_: I've been doing that for a while, it's not that bad :/ Jun 06 12:20:30 Has someone Compiled FFmpeg 12.1 for Android?? Please share... Jun 06 12:20:44 deleet: it is bad Jun 06 12:20:52 very bad Jun 06 12:20:55 beyond bad Jun 06 12:21:01 but it's expected by users Jun 06 12:21:33 StingRay_: I'll show you some screens of my app and you'll see that it doesn't look that horrible Jun 06 12:22:00 althought to be fair it's not exactly the same (I wouldn't allow that) Jun 06 12:22:37 * StingRay_ waits Jun 06 12:23:14 but must warn you I'm a vfx/art/design more than a developer ā€¦ so most of the time I have lots to say about visuals :) Jun 06 12:24:14 by all means, I welcome it Jun 06 12:25:35 Has someone Compiled FFmpeg 12.1 for Android?? Please share... Jun 06 12:26:26 NativeDude: I think the chance of find and answer in here compared to google search is like 100000:1 Jun 06 12:27:14 I could calculate that ratio pretty well... its just to play a chance. Google almost failed there Jun 06 12:28:22 StingRay_: see /msg Jun 06 12:28:23 reading backlog... doing ios design for android is not bad? Jun 06 12:28:37 i wish some admins here to kick him :) Jun 06 12:29:33 kick who ? Jun 06 12:29:43 me, apparently lol Jun 06 12:29:46 well I'm doing it too Jun 06 12:29:48 ppl telling porting ios design to android is "not bad" Jun 06 12:30:00 I just know it's bad from a art/vis stance Jun 06 12:30:06 still doing it though Jun 06 12:30:31 why, if you think its bad from art/vis stance (so your own point of view)? Jun 06 12:30:44 because you have to? there's nothing else to work with often times Jun 06 12:30:46 cause I wouldn't use my app with that theme Jun 06 12:30:48 NativeDude: last I looked into ffmpeg you need Ubuntu 10 or 11.04 (other failed with higher versions) to get it to compile with the right dependencies Jun 06 12:30:52 but I know many many many would Jun 06 12:30:54 deleet: there always is Jun 06 12:30:57 so I dont spite myself Jun 06 12:31:26 if there is an iOS app there is something to work with: a structure, a goal of the app, functionality it want to present to its user Jun 06 12:31:34 timroes: right. when you work for a company that spent 30k on an ios design and $0 on an android one, tell me again if there is something you can do Jun 06 12:31:40 so you can do that in an android way Jun 06 12:31:47 deleet: yeah Jun 06 12:31:50 quit that job Jun 06 12:32:10 timroes: your confusing Jun 06 12:32:24 in what way? Jun 06 12:32:26 functionality != visual design Jun 06 12:32:32 yeah Jun 06 12:32:50 but you will need to create the visual design to fit the functionality of your app Jun 06 12:32:54 ios has a stronger visual presence/design than android Jun 06 12:33:09 and if a user/s wants an IOS theme cause of that Jun 06 12:33:10 so be it Jun 06 12:33:30 what i mean, you can create a great design that fits the app by knowing its functionality, you don't need to port iOS design, because "its the only thing you have" Jun 06 12:33:33 production 101, make clients/users happy Jun 06 12:33:38 ^^^ Jun 06 12:33:44 StingRay_: fancier perhaps, but not stronger Jun 06 12:34:00 oh yeah and bad design alwatys made ppl happy :) Jun 06 12:34:01 this exaggerated fancyness / shinyness, if you ask me, is a weakness Jun 06 12:34:02 boytoy: I disagree Jun 06 12:34:02 hey Jun 06 12:34:13 looking for ways to push application updates without google play market Jun 06 12:34:14 stronger = more consistant Jun 06 12:34:15 any suggestions? Jun 06 12:34:20 StingRay_: well it might be cool the first 100 times you look at it Jun 06 12:34:23 some custom component Jun 06 12:34:27 e.g. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ikmultimediaus.android.irigrecorder Jun 06 12:34:28 but after 10.000 times it's like please mommie no more Jun 06 12:34:31 NativeDude: this seems to be a java way to use ffmpeg in your app without needing to do C or NDK Jun 06 12:34:32 zhulikas: HockeyApp Jun 06 12:34:37 NativeDude: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netcompss.ffmpeg4android&hl=en Jun 06 12:34:38 give me something simple to look at Jun 06 12:35:21 xor42, thank you. I love you! Jun 06 12:35:24 :) Jun 06 12:35:39 "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." Jun 06 12:35:42 zhulikas: :-) your welcome Jun 06 12:35:44 one of nature's core design principles Jun 06 12:35:48 android's too Jun 06 12:36:27 na Jun 06 12:36:37 simplicity has nothing to do with consistency Jun 06 12:36:40 it's wrong in many ways Jun 06 12:36:41 you got it all mixed up brah Jun 06 12:36:48 and I dont mean simplicity Jun 06 12:37:14 I mean things like pallets and even UI guides to aid placements and use Jun 06 12:37:16 sorry wernt we discussing the fancyness / shinyness of ios themes? Jun 06 12:37:21 no Jun 06 12:37:22 hmmmm Jun 06 12:37:25 those are paid... Jun 06 12:37:32 maybe I could roll out my own solution Jun 06 12:37:33 NativeDude: here's the one that you need ubuntu to compile with ... http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffmpeg4android/ Jun 06 12:37:34 oh ok my bad then Jun 06 12:37:38 principle seems to be simple Jun 06 12:37:47 check for updates, offer downloading a new .apk, done Jun 06 12:37:48 StingRay_: so how bad is my 'port' Jun 06 12:38:01 I was discussing a theme for my app that will look like ios Jun 06 12:38:05 not cause I want to Jun 06 12:38:13 not cause I think it's good to copy Jun 06 12:38:19 but cause users expect it Jun 06 12:38:27 i dont like, I dont agree Jun 06 12:38:30 you said ios had a stronger visual presence, by a stronger visual presence one would obviously mean a better designed presence Jun 06 12:38:42 ah no it is Jun 06 12:38:56 strong in the sence of coherence and guides Jun 06 12:38:59 and if simplicity is the cornerstone of a strong / better design, then Jun 06 12:39:12 better design as an overall experience Jun 06 12:39:25 maybe simpler in many ways too Jun 06 12:40:10 well who knows Jun 06 12:40:16 let's ask roman nurik next time he stops by Jun 06 12:41:05 cause on voice represents a clear impartial answer Jun 06 12:41:08 errr.... Jun 06 12:41:10 one* Jun 06 12:41:32 many does, and luckily iOS ports get told that by many users in their ratings Jun 06 12:41:35 shmooz: thanks dude... i'll check it out... will get back with what happens Jun 06 12:41:41 e.g. see above app Jun 06 12:41:46 see old IKEA app Jun 06 12:41:53 see xyz-port-from-ios Jun 06 12:42:04 you guys dont get it Jun 06 12:42:04 NativeDude: good luck , yeah let me know what happens :) Jun 06 12:42:17 there's little to no times that an app is first designed for android and only then for ios Jun 06 12:42:28 very strange Jun 06 12:42:31 so what usually happens is taht the ios theme ends up overflowing onto android Jun 06 12:42:35 i do that all the time o.O Jun 06 12:42:46 or lets say, our company does this all the time Jun 06 12:43:11 and even if they design iOS its not designed after the android app, because it would produce the same crap Jun 06 12:43:33 you're one of a few then, most companies I know of do ios -> android Jun 06 12:43:50 I've done android -> ios successfully, dont get me wrong, but it's rare Jun 06 12:44:24 shmooz : I've tried this one out before... the problem with this one is, it is preconfigured a lot. Customizations are barely possible. I would have preferred to be able to compile the latest version of plain FFmpeg lib Jun 06 12:45:35 NativeDude: there's also this one which he says is simpler, but not sure how you include it in your app ... https://github.com/guardianproject/android-ffmpeg Jun 06 12:46:46 I've got a listfragment with an empty view active using loadermanager. Logging out of my app empties the database that the listfragment is hooked up to and restarts my loginactivity. But my listfragment manages to display the empty part very briefly before the loginactivity takes over. Any suggestions on how to avoid this? I need the empty display in case a user logs in and there is no data to be Jun 06 12:46:48 displayed... Jun 06 12:48:01 ios and android designs are slowly converging Jun 06 12:48:28 it's all mobile Jun 06 12:48:48 hi guys,i'm playing with the Licensing library. Is there any delay when you change options inside the developer console? Or changes should be seen immediately by the app? Jun 06 12:49:43 shmooz : i've tried that one as well... this one as well is junked with some low-level issues without any proper solution all over the internet. I don't know why FFmpeg couldn't release a compiled version of the lib for Android by themselves. Its being an unresolvable mesh out here :P Jun 06 12:51:18 NativeDude: I agree, I was suggesting that the android team tranparently make VideoView an ffplay container, so it just works with more codecs and streams Jun 06 12:52:06 ugh Jun 06 12:52:09 that wouldn't work Jun 06 12:52:28 ffplay's architecture really isn't built for such devices Jun 06 12:52:43 shmooz : exactly! iOS does that... its so much of relief for the devs. Ideally it shouldn't be the job of a developer to compile a native library of this much of complexity Jun 06 12:53:00 Mavrik: ffmpeg has included android support in their recent releases Jun 06 12:53:04 what *could* be done would be linking libavcodec into OpenSL or whatever Jun 06 12:53:25 shmooz, no, they included a libstagefright decoder Jun 06 12:53:44 yup... and you can't compile a version of it ahead of FFmpeg 0.8 "Love" Jun 06 12:53:52 which is a rather different thing than using that for primary video decoding system for a mobile device Jun 06 12:53:53 I have a GridView/ListView with an ImageView as the row. Each row has some padding to it. Does anyone have a better suggestion as to how I can make the list selector not only be on top (via drawSelectorOnTop) but also clip the selector so that it matches the padding of the row. My only solution so far is to make an empty view on top of the ImageView that matches the width/height with padding and use that empty view as t Jun 06 12:53:54 he selector. Jun 06 12:54:31 shmooz, but yes, if they took alot of time they probably COULD include libav* as part of the system Jun 06 12:54:37 the performance would be pretty bad though Jun 06 12:54:57 well, not necessarily bad Jun 06 12:55:00 NativeDude, at least ffmpeg 1.1 works perfectly on Android Jun 06 12:55:19 p_l, sorry, meant "terrible" Jun 06 12:55:20 but it would eat battery like it was getting out of fashion Jun 06 12:55:37 remember, to gain anything more than what you have now you'd have to decode on the CPU Jun 06 12:55:39 * p_l used to play stuff that doesn't work with hw decoders in any phone Jun 06 12:55:40 Mavrik: well the top players like MX Player are one way or another getting it to work nicely, from a users point of view at least Jun 06 12:56:16 shmooz: they use (probably) OpenSL for accessing native codecs and use their own ffmpeg-based paths for stuff not supported by device Jun 06 12:56:21 p_l, yes, pushing frames from libav to screen on a normal device nets you about 20-30 fps on a modern Krait Jun 06 12:56:24 which is still pretty bad Jun 06 12:56:36 especially since you're clocking a quadcore ARM to fullpower instead of using the DSP Jun 06 12:56:46 Mavrik: pushing frames is easy Jun 06 12:56:49 Mavrik : you're giving me waves of relief.... by any chance, do have you what should be the .sh script to do the compilation of ffmpeg 1.1??? Jun 06 12:56:54 if you'll check the performance counters you'll see you're hitting termal barrier on N4 Jun 06 12:56:59 and probably the least expensive operation Jun 06 12:57:00 NativeDude, uhh Jun 06 12:57:04 NativeDude, lemme dig on my drive Jun 06 12:57:22 Mavrik : thanks dude :) Jun 06 12:57:35 it will be a huge help Jun 06 12:58:13 p_l, actually it's not Jun 06 12:58:18 it's pretty expensive Jun 06 12:58:33