**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 07 02:59:58 2013 Jun 07 03:05:24 Hey, anyone have experience with Android Studio and the Facebook SDK? Jun 07 03:52:16 hey guys… does anyone know how to decode the merchant-private-item-data from Google Checkout API? the transaction is generated through in app billing on android, so what is needed to decode that string? Jun 07 04:02:16 i know there's a way to have code trigger a breakpoint... but for the life of me I can't remember how Jun 07 04:02:19 anyone able to prompt my memory? Jun 07 04:04:11 vitriolix__: put a breakpoint on the line? Jun 07 04:05:23 not sure i understood Jun 07 04:05:48 but you set breakpoints in eclipse by clicking at the vertical bar left of the code, where error symbols also show up Jun 07 04:14:03 he means set a breakpoint from the code itself, not the ide Jun 07 04:16:56 vitriolix__: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Debug.html#waitForDebugger() Jun 07 04:20:00 JesusFreke: thanks man Jun 07 04:51:09 hi Jun 07 04:53:01 private data can be stored in shared preferences and in internal memory and it will be persistent data even after phone reboots and battery plugged out. correct? now are both of these storages safe? I know applications cannot access each others data but what if the user plugs a usb cable into phone and copies and reads the data files in shared preferences and phone internal memory? Jun 07 04:53:53 then they can read it Jun 07 04:54:25 hm Jun 07 04:54:44 f2prateek, so is there a way to put some data in a very secure way? Jun 07 04:54:57 f2prateek, was my first statement correct? Jun 07 04:55:07 yes Jun 07 04:55:19 ok Jun 07 04:55:37 f2prateek, was my first statement correct? Jun 07 04:55:40 SORY ^ Jun 07 04:55:45 f2prateek, so is there a way to put some data in a very secure way? Jun 07 04:56:56 Quest: use that as the storage but encrypt it Jun 07 04:57:02 https://developer.android.com/training/articles/security-tips.html Jun 07 04:57:18 f2prateek, great answer Jun 07 04:57:24 that would be the easiest way Jun 07 04:57:33 f2prateek, shared prefs can also be encrypted? Jun 07 04:58:12 f2prateek, i observed that opening , writing and reading text files is different than that of in pure java Jun 07 04:58:22 by the way Jun 07 04:59:47 f2prateek, one last thing. If iam paranoid about my app. and i dont want my .apk to be source viewed by anyone for it to be tweaked or cracked up. as all java apps are in .class files. are there any tips to avoid or atleast make it difficult? Jun 07 05:00:55 proguard would help a bit Jun 07 05:01:00 *might Jun 07 05:03:38 f2prateek, thanks! Jun 07 05:03:51 I don't have enough experience with both to give a concrete recommendation Jun 07 05:04:06 f2prateek, signing or self signing would help? lke in .jar files? Jun 07 05:04:11 ok Jun 07 05:04:15 f2prateek: Do you have any experience with Android Studio? Jun 07 05:04:29 I have used it Jun 07 05:04:54 Ever managed to successfully add a library to it / gradle? Jun 07 05:04:57 yup Jun 07 05:05:48 May I require your assistance with importing a SDK? I've spent all day on it and got nowhere Jun 07 05:06:47 there's a sample on the build tools site Jun 07 05:07:05 http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system Jun 07 05:07:44 the gps demos had one of how to have libraries Jun 07 05:08:11 and artifact dependencies Jun 07 05:15:51 f2prateek, i want to store some values in shared preferences, but in encrypted form, as suggested by you. how should i do that? is there a special way in android or just the normal java way? Jun 07 05:16:27 f2prateek, ref . https://developer.android.com/training/articles/security-tips.html#Crypto Jun 07 05:17:07 f2prateek, Cipher class. i gues? Jun 07 05:20:39 f2prateek: May I PM you? Jun 07 05:29:09 update your android studio! better gradle support now: https://plus.google.com/+TorNorbye/posts/FKVyYhsKwHU Jun 07 05:37:42 nice Jun 07 05:57:47 How does one handle a class implementing a runnable that continues to run while the app is active, then stops ondestroy but pauses/resumes on pauses resumes? Jun 07 06:07:11 decouple it from activity lifecycle, communicate over some other means (e.g., event bus, local broadcast manager) Jun 07 06:07:42 lasserix: from what i can see, you call handler.removeCallbacks(runnable); in onPause, and start it in onResume only (and not in onCreate) Jun 07 06:08:45 reference: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13560243/how-to-stop-runnable-when-the-app-goes-to-background Jun 07 06:09:02 I'm not using a handler, I guess my question is more, when the activity is recreated, how do I regain the reference to the original thread the runnable is running on? Jun 07 06:09:39 can i call getExecutingThread in the runnable's run method (when going through unpause) and reset the assignment of the thread? Jun 07 06:12:05 or am i missing something, as it is, if I rotate the screen, the original thread used to run the runnable is still running, and hence a second one gets created Jun 07 06:13:54 is this thread for short operatinos (a few seconds) or do you need to keep it running for long periods of time? Jun 07 06:14:26 the later Jun 07 06:14:38 well know i only have two instances running ever :P Jun 07 06:17:18 the previous threads are stuck waiting when the activity finished being recreated Jun 07 06:18:28 lasserix: i'm new to this, but other than using a service, maybe you could manage your Runnable using an ExecutorService (http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/concurrent/ExecutorService.html), "Method submit extends base method execute(Runnable) by creating and returning a Future that can be used to cancel execution and/or wait for completion." Jun 07 06:19:36 ahh this is for doing real time calculations that need to be fed into the ui thread Jun 07 06:20:48 so your concern would be how you would communicate the calculation results back to the UI? Jun 07 06:21:21 no Jun 07 06:22:01 ThreadPoolExecutor might be better for running calculations, it's designed for running many a bunch of tasks (each calculation could be a task?) http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/concurrent/ThreadPoolExecutor.html Jun 07 06:22:03 i just want a class that implements runnable, whenever the activity is created i want to start that class's runnable, pausing when it goes into pause, resuming when it goes onresume, and finishes when the activity is destroyed Jun 07 06:22:54 why couldn't you achieve that by having an instance of an ExecutorService in your activity, and using it's cancel feature to stop the runnable at onPause, and start it up again onResume? Jun 07 06:23:21 i dont want to spawn a bunch of threads, just the one used by the class implementing runnable Jun 07 06:23:47 so only give it one task, which will be one thread Jun 07 06:24:19 where the task is your runnable Jun 07 06:24:29 hmm seems overly complicated and i haven't seen done in any of the patterns so far but thanks maybe i can use that till i can figure out the direct method :) Jun 07 06:25:17 yeah it might be overkill Jun 07 06:26:19 thanks for the suggestion Jun 07 06:26:23 np Jun 07 06:27:07 i'm going to have to do something similar myself, although i was planning on implemneting an actual service, and starting/stopping it when the app was in use or not Jun 07 06:28:41 apparently async options are: Thread, Executor, HandlerThread, AsyncTask, Service, IntentService, AsyncQueryHandler, Loader Jun 07 06:29:33 this is actually quite good, i think it even outlines the problem you are seeing on slide 17: http://www.slideshare.net/andersgoransson/efficient-android-threading Jun 07 06:32:24 sounds like you want a Loader Jun 07 06:34:19 this is for the logic of a game engine essentially Jun 07 06:35:30 lasserix: if you want to make use of multi-cores, etc, using something from the concurrent namespace is likely the way to go - that sounsd like a job for an Executor. A HandlerThread would be good if you just want a single thread Jun 07 06:36:52 oh nice, AsyncTask actually is like a HandlerThread that utilizes the executor framework, that sounds promising... Jun 07 06:41:56 ahh i figured it out: there's no way to reclaim the thread so you have to save state, stop it, start it again Jun 07 06:42:18 for the lifecycle, if i wanted to manually pause and unpause it i use a lock with wait and notify Jun 07 06:45:19 those were seperate: for the lifecycle you have to stop it, if you wanted to manually pause it you have to use wait/notify lock mechanism Jun 07 06:45:19 lasserix: so you save state when onPause occurs, or do you wait until onDestroy? Jun 07 06:45:28 onpause Jun 07 06:45:33 err Jun 07 06:45:55 in the view's class I stop it onPause, since it's going to be recreated if the activity is recreated Jun 07 06:46:12 i.e., in onResume Jun 07 06:46:22 but the runnable class itself has its own pause/unpause methods, that will use wait/notify method Jun 07 06:46:32 *wait/notify lock mechanism Jun 07 06:46:35 yeah Jun 07 06:47:05 interesting, ok good to know - the trick is this only works if you are ok coupling your thread to the lifecycle of a single activity Jun 07 06:47:14 which in a game, you would be Jun 07 06:47:39 in my case, i want a thread to be running the entire time the user is within my app, i think that will call for a slightly different mechanism Jun 07 06:48:17 definatly :) Jun 07 06:52:14 just read up on synchronized, and wait()/notifyAll(), looks like the perfect pause/unpause mechanism, but definitely not intuitive - i was looking for a mechanism implemented in the actual api, instead of in the threading implementation itself Jun 07 06:56:53 hey guys… does anyone remember how to allocated more heap size for Android Studio? or Intellij for that matteR? Jun 07 06:57:32 heap size for the IDE or for your app Jun 07 06:58:21 Jc_Dev: i've looked around, if you're looking for that you want to use loaders Jun 07 06:58:27 if you're talking about the IDE, i'm not sure why you would need to modify that, shouldn't it just work out of the box? Jun 07 06:58:50 Jc_Dev: one thing i did for my last app was to use a non-ui fragment with setRetainInstance I could pass everywhere in the same activity Jun 07 06:59:06 heap size for IDE… to compile faster Jun 07 06:59:18 with that you could use loader (the closest thing you can get to full blown api thread handling) Jun 07 06:59:52 i thought a loader is for observing data changes, and is typically coupled to the activity/fragment life cycle Jun 07 07:00:15 it is still confined within an activity, but with the nonui fragment you can hold state there Jun 07 07:00:21 dck28: Android Studio doesn't do any compiling, it uses gradle, maybe check the gradle docs Jun 07 07:00:46 lasserix: so you pass it around to whatever activity is currently active? Jun 07 07:00:48 Jc_Dev sounds like you want a service with its own thread? Jun 07 07:01:03 fragmentmanager (how to get fragment) only lives in activity domain i believe Jun 07 07:01:09 lasserix: i think so - it's a p2p client, so i'm thinking service, still looking into it Jun 07 07:01:19 ahh definatly Jun 07 07:01:39 ahh thanks Jc_Dev… there's a bar on the bottom right side of the IDE that shows how much memory was allocated and how much is currently using… that's why i thought it had a memory management built in. Jun 07 07:01:42 intentservice is handy for such things too, but doesn't live as long as you might need Jun 07 07:01:54 dck28: ah ok, good luck :) Jun 07 07:01:54 Jc_Dev: You've checked File->Settings->Compiler? Jun 07 07:02:18 lasserix: yeah, i think i'll have to micro-manage the service lifetime myself Jun 07 07:02:20 dck28 isn't that in your emulator configurations? Jun 07 07:02:44 kjeldahl: that was dck28 looking for that fyi :) Jun 07 07:03:50 Yeah, my screen was scrolled back a couple of pages it seems. Thanks. Jun 07 07:03:56 hehe np Jun 07 07:06:49 hmm… I totally forgot how i set it earlier.. but that was before I updated my IDE… it was the 1.0 back then maybe they changed some UI… I see I can set max heap within java, dx and groovy compiler preferences Jun 07 07:07:14 not sure how that correspond to the bar on the bottom right tho... Jun 07 07:07:28 in the area kjeldahl mentioned, there is a heap size for compiling, is that what you wanted? Jun 07 07:08:03 mine matches very closely, it's set to 700 and my bar says 61 of 710 allocated Jun 07 07:08:50 hey guys suggest me on this https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-developers/2RHvFm0tJP0 Jun 07 07:13:04 got it… i was looking for idea.vmoptions… Jun 07 07:13:19 Android03: that's not a valid layout directory Jun 07 07:13:44 @Jc-Dev which directory Jun 07 07:13:46 ? Jun 07 07:13:48 the syntax is: swdp where N is the screen width the layout wants, e.g. layout-sw600dp Jun 07 07:13:58 you can't just append a random resolution like that Jun 07 07:14:40 this is assuming you're using API level 13 or up, if not, you're limited to the size-specific qualifiers "small,normal,large,xlarge" Jun 07 07:14:50 reference: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html Jun 07 07:16:07 but 360 is not the random resolution it is for nexus...AM i wrong? Jun 07 07:18:07 @Jc_Dev my API levels in manifest are android:minSdkVersion="10" android:targetSdkVersion="16" Jun 07 07:18:07 i don't understand what you're asking Jun 07 07:18:53 ok, so depending on what your device is running, will determine which layout folder terminology is respected (i think) Jun 07 07:19:58 @Jc_dev Ok can you tell me if i want some layouts to be rendered separately for google nexus device only what i should be doing ? Jun 07 07:22:42 Android03: that's exactly opposite the way you should be thinking, you do not design for specific devices, you design for a few different "minimum" resolutions and provide alternate layouts, and android itself will select the best option Jun 07 07:22:54 for example, you should not be using AbsoluteLayout Jun 07 07:23:32 i highly recommend reading http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html Jun 07 07:23:51 another concept you'll want to implement is Density Independance Jun 07 07:24:06 *Independence Jun 07 07:25:10 you'll find it difficult to make a layout for a specific device, because that's against best practices and the api tries to guide you towards these other techniques Jun 07 07:26:28 ok i ll look into this developer guide Jun 07 07:26:36 good luck! Jun 07 08:03:52 argh Jun 07 08:04:09 anyone here with experience submitting stuff to https://android-review.googlesource.com/ ? Jun 07 08:04:33 i'm trying to follow the instructions at https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/user-upload.html Jun 07 08:05:51 but they don't seem to be using the standard 29418 port Jun 07 08:11:47 hy everyone. does anybody know how launch a feature at the end of an asynctask but without start the feature in the onPostExecute code of the asynctask? thks Jun 07 08:15:54 minioim: Can you explain your question more? Jun 07 08:16:06 What do you mean by "feature"? Jun 07 08:17:15 You'll almost certainly have to do whatever you want to do from onPostExecute, though; that's what it's there for. Jun 07 08:27:14 pjdelport: feature-> a function for example. yeah I imagine I can use onPostExecute, but for example: my first AsyncTask has to be used oftenly during the lifetime of my app. and I want to use a second Asynctask which should be used once after the launch of the app BUT only after execution of my first AT Jun 07 08:28:28 so I don't want to code it into the onPostExecute of the first AT cause that would lauch it each time... exept if I use a if with a boolean but that's nor really beautiful... Jun 07 08:28:44 not* Jun 07 08:29:04 Well, there are many ways to orchestrate that kind of thing. Jun 07 08:29:16 What are the actual tasks? Jun 07 08:29:32 i suppose yes ^^ could you give me some keywords for my researchs please? Jun 07 08:29:46 almost calling a server with webservices Jun 07 08:30:15 http://developer.android.com/ has most of what you'd need to know Jun 07 08:30:25 have you looked at loaders and services? Jun 07 08:30:52 If you describe your actual tasks, i might be able to give you more useful advice; it really depends on the details of the tasks. Jun 07 08:31:23 What do you call the web service with, and what do you do with the results? Jun 07 08:31:58 Does the data stay static, or change, or what? Jun 07 08:32:29 ok, my first task is an easy one: I want to test if the server is responding. so I use ksoap2 lib to call an easy WS (sayHello) and if the answer from the server is the one I expect, my connexion is ok. Jun 07 08:33:32 all right Jun 07 08:33:43 if the connexion is ok, I call a second WS, sending in the same time few datas from the sqlite database. the server compares data with its own database and send me updates if necessary Jun 07 08:34:10 but of course, I must call the second WS only if the connexion is ok... Jun 07 08:35:02 and that's all my trouble, cause the second WS must be call only once during the lifetime of the app but I want to be able to reuse the first WS (testing connexion) Jun 07 08:35:18 That sounds like the kind of thing you'll want to put in a service. Jun 07 08:35:37 i love the fact, that google people are developing Andoroid studio, i think it will help improve quality of android apps in teh long run Jun 07 08:35:44 eclipse is just too flawed Jun 07 08:35:50 Well, if it's SOAP, it's probably not reusing the connection Jun 07 08:36:11 ok so i'll look for services. thanks a lot. Jun 07 08:36:20 (or if it is, it's not something you should observe or rely on) Jun 07 08:36:35 minioim: are you just using the updates to update the UI? Jun 07 08:36:55 if so, you'll probably want to implement it as a loader Jun 07 08:37:03 http://developer.android.com/guide/components/loaders.html Jun 07 08:37:05 (no, I mean, I want to reuse the asynctask in charge of testing connexion) Jun 07 08:37:34 ok so: I must look for services and loaders. thks a lot pjdelport. Jun 07 08:37:36 hmm, you probably don't want to do that Jun 07 08:37:46 ^^ what do you mean? Jun 07 08:38:01 if you're mainly delivering results to update the UI, then you probably want a loader Jun 07 08:38:46 you can do all the SOAP calls in the loader, and keep monitoring the service; if there are changes, then you deliver the results Jun 07 08:38:53 and the loader framework takes care of the rest Jun 07 08:39:03 (what is sure, it's that: I'm a mecanical engeneering student who is trying to become a dev on is own. so not easy :/ Jun 07 08:39:14 and thanks a lot for your help Jun 07 08:39:37 oh that's sound very good! Jun 07 08:39:51 ah, okay; yeah, it'll take some time to learn... things like the loader and service frameworks help a lot with taking care of the details for you, though Jun 07 08:40:37 Loaders are strongly bound to the UI: you use them if your data source only needs to be queried as long as the associated Activity or Fragment is active Jun 07 08:40:50 ok I have to go, but I'll check for it and you have my eternal gratitude ^^ Jun 07 08:40:56 okay Jun 07 08:41:24 Services can do a bit more... mainly if you need to do more complicated data management than just updating an activity / fragment Jun 07 08:41:33 so check that out if a loader isn't enough Jun 07 08:41:42 that's perfect. Jun 07 08:41:52 :) Jun 07 08:41:57 bye, or see you soon Jun 07 08:49:27 what's the difference between getFragmentManager() and getFragmenSupportManager() ? Jun 07 08:50:43 primski: former is native, latter the support library's version Jun 07 08:51:02 you should only be using one or the other, generally Jun 07 08:51:14 (and you should use each one in the same contexts as the other) Jun 07 08:51:20 aha ok great thanks Jun 07 08:52:48 pjdelport: http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html <--- did you follow that? Jun 07 08:53:41 Hello, I need a rich text edit view and im considering to use a webView. is there a way to make that editable? Jun 07 08:54:50 I don't think so Jun 07 08:54:58 p_l: yes, to a point; i'm trying to just submit the patch directly with Gerrit, first Jun 07 08:55:43 pjdelport: I think such approach might be a bit broken, but good luck :) Jun 07 08:55:47 it's a tiny change to the support library, already ready, and i don't want to download gigabytes of source code and set up the entire Android platform just for that Jun 07 08:56:14 p_l: it can't be broken; if repo can submit Gerrit reviews, then it obviously has to work :P Jun 07 08:56:17 hmmm.... couldn't you configure repo to check out just the support lib? Jun 07 08:56:28 pjdelport: yes, but this way you could extract the information :) Jun 07 09:00:49 anyone know if it's possible to disable interaction with the map fragment? Jun 07 09:02:19 nvm got it - getUiSettings().setWhatever Jun 07 09:08:27 so i'm trying to build a simple app using fragments for swiping left and right ... you think i should use support library or not? the only difference is frameworks version requires api level 11 ? Jun 07 09:09:04 primski: what are you planning on using? Jun 07 09:09:20 i am building a simple calendar, fragments are used for displaying a month using gridview and gridadapter Jun 07 09:09:37 guys, i need to display fractions (1 + 2 * 4x) over (27 + 3x) ; and i need that editable, do you have any idea how it can be done on android? Jun 07 09:09:38 Hey there - I am trying to send messages to gcm with an own implementation - I am getting success responses but the messages take 2h or more to get to the phone - sometimes they don't make it there at all..does anyone has experience with gcm? Jun 07 09:09:51 for the swiping, i mean; ViewPager? Jun 07 09:10:30 yea i was going to, i was following a tutorial i can no longer find ... but now am just learning about the difference in support library and frameworks version Jun 07 09:10:45 i used FragmentStatePagerAdapter Jun 07 09:12:37 viran: try http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1784786/mathml-and-java and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5767409/math-or-latex-engine-for-droid-phones ? Jun 07 09:13:17 primski: ViewPager isn't actually available in the framework; it's just in the support library Jun 07 09:13:25 so you'll need it either way Jun 07 09:13:35 there are two versions of FragmentStatePagerAdapter, at least Jun 07 09:13:45 one for the v4 compatibility fragments, and one for native fragments Jun 07 09:13:50 both usable with ViewPager Jun 07 09:14:14 so you can include the support library and stick to native fragments Jun 07 09:14:23 so i should use the support library ... extend the activity instead of fragment and use ViewPager Jun 07 09:14:49 it will work on more devices as well, right, api level < 11 ? Jun 07 09:15:04 well, you'll use the support library for ViewPager, but not necessarily the support library's fragments Jun 07 09:17:55 Is there a way to set textwatcher in xml ? Jun 07 09:18:02 ok how about extending regular activity vs FragmentActivity ? Jun 07 09:18:39 bluesm: how would you "do" something when a condition is met ? Jun 07 09:18:44 oh and no there is not Jun 07 09:19:27 StingRay_: I mean set object name. Jun 07 09:19:57 StingRay_: like android:onClick Jun 07 09:20:02 dunno, not really lots of reason to try Jun 07 09:20:08 seriously doubt it Jun 07 09:20:52 dont quite get why you would want to Jun 07 09:23:04 also I think a click is a blind thing in that case Jun 07 09:23:22 a textWatcher is something that is persistantly "watching" Jun 07 09:23:45 StingRay_: Couse I have really "static" layout, and I created to my all buttons onClick Property. Jun 07 09:24:04 StingRay_: "blind" ? Jun 07 09:24:36 yes as in it will fire View > listener even if the listener is not there Jun 07 09:24:47 primski: regular activity is for using the platform's fragments; FragmentActivity is for using the support library's fragments Jun 07 09:24:58 but a textWatcher is more like tw > view > tw Jun 07 09:25:16 well actually probably more like view > tw > view > tw Jun 07 09:25:40 thanks pjdelport ...fragmentactivity it is then Jun 07 09:26:23 primski: in that case, you'll need to adjust all your code as necessary to use the support library versions of everything fragment-related Jun 07 09:26:38 everytime you use android:onClick https://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZkWt9IsMEqo/Rx5zxht1O2I/AAAAAAAAAsg/-STqdlIKObw/s400/normal_domokuns-kitten.jpg Jun 07 09:26:38 StingRay_: You mean that textwatcher watch the EditText, but "onClick" listener is build in view ? Jun 07 09:27:32 pjdelport: yea, i think i started off with this approach but was just confused how there are two versions of every class ... Jun 07 09:30:45 bluesm: what you want is a little wrong design wise and wont work neways Jun 07 09:31:30 StingRay_: Ok, I understand. Jun 07 09:31:42 a listener can take many views, a textwatcher unless you mod/extend it can't Jun 07 09:31:53 StingRay_: It is completely not flexible. Jun 07 09:32:02 primski: Ah, okay. Yeah, the whole API is mirrored, so it's something to be aware of. You don't want to mix them accidentally. Jun 07 09:33:06 Is there a way to make "done" button on the keyboard that will hide keyboard and trigger some event ? Jun 07 09:35:00 yes Jun 07 09:35:18 by intercepting/overide that "keypress/event" Jun 07 09:37:40 hi all Jun 07 09:38:19 is there a way to launch an installed activity (no my own activity but one on the installed activities) in a resized window ? Jun 07 09:39:54 i would like to have my activity occupying half of the screen and to launch one of the installed applications in the remaining space Jun 07 09:40:04 anyone know if this can be achieved ? Jun 07 09:45:19 ohmy: I don't think you can do that for an arbitrary activity. What are you launching? Jun 07 09:46:44 pjdelport: i have one map navigation activity and i created annother activity to send some positioning data to it, each time i launch the map activity it displays in full screen Jun 07 09:47:10 pjdelport: reason why i was to have two activities sharing the screen and haven't found any such api Jun 07 09:47:39 pjdelport: two view for the same activity ok, two activities sharing the same screen looks to be unnfeasable Jun 07 09:48:14 if one is not yours then yeah, that is a bit wrong Jun 07 09:48:26 cause your not on about an activity, your on about an app Jun 07 09:48:43 StingRay_: thank you Jun 07 09:49:37 ohmy: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/reference/com/google/android/gms/maps/MapFragment ? Jun 07 09:50:20 that's how you'd include a map in your layout Jun 07 09:50:25 pjdelport: thanks i know it already Jun 07 09:50:34 what's the problem, then? Jun 07 09:50:44 he wats to run some1 elses app Jun 07 09:50:48 in half the screen Jun 07 09:51:58 right, and MapFragment is how you'd do that for a map Jun 07 09:52:07 no Jun 07 09:52:18 an app Jun 07 09:52:30 that has a maybe a few frags and a mapFrag Jun 07 09:52:51 pjdelport: the map is just an example, i want to be able to drive the navigation app, launch someweb radio app also etc, the map was just one example Jun 07 10:05:34 Sorry, I got disconnected. Jun 07 10:06:49 has anyone down opengl for android? for a game loop, mostly goes update render so i'm assuming that means renderwhendirty is set to true and the render is requestrender? Jun 07 10:06:52 google appear to be taking money out of my account each month not adding it, any ideas? Jun 07 10:08:46 ideas about what ? Jun 07 10:08:57 about why google are taking money out Jun 07 10:09:04 ask them Jun 07 10:09:12 lol Jun 07 10:09:14 as if Jun 07 10:09:23 as if what ? Jun 07 10:09:30 any time a company gets sucessful, they dont answer emails! Jun 07 10:09:35 as if they would answer me Jun 07 10:09:43 depends how you ask Jun 07 10:09:50 doesnt Jun 07 10:09:54 they will never see the mail Jun 07 10:09:54 ok Jun 07 10:09:56 or respons Jun 07 10:09:59 ok Jun 07 10:10:01 respond Jun 07 10:10:16 if thats what you think :) Jun 07 10:10:22 accept it then Jun 07 10:10:24 :) Jun 07 10:10:27 well its been true with every company in my life Jun 07 10:10:33 so i dont see why google would be different Jun 07 10:10:43 like I said, depends on the context and how you ask Jun 07 10:10:53 hi Jun 07 10:10:58 yeh well i dont think so, but cheers :) Jun 07 10:11:25 Gaz`: mail the correct support channel, and you should get a response Jun 07 10:11:36 lol i love this planet u guys live on Jun 07 10:11:52 same here, earth aint too bad Jun 07 10:11:55 you should try it Jun 07 10:12:14 Or, you know, defeat yourself, if you insist. :P Jun 07 10:12:22 i should try it yeh Jun 07 10:12:26 just to vindicate :) Jun 07 10:12:28 one of us Jun 07 10:12:32 or at the very least, you should entertain the "possiblility" that some1 may have more of an idea than you Jun 07 10:12:50 not quite tho Jun 07 10:12:58 thats like saying go breath milk it will get your money back Jun 07 10:13:01 i know that isnt correct Jun 07 10:13:15 you know ? Jun 07 10:13:17 or think Jun 07 10:13:21 big difference Jun 07 10:13:22 jesus Jun 07 10:13:27 :) forget it! Jun 07 10:13:39 ok to prove a point Jun 07 10:13:52 cause you should at least entertain different ideas Jun 07 10:13:56 and consider you maybe wrong Jun 07 10:14:08 depends on context Jun 07 10:14:10 how do you think they prioritise information Jun 07 10:14:19 right now im just wondering why google keep taking Â£2 from me Jun 07 10:14:24 but i dont care too uch Jun 07 10:14:26 much Jun 07 10:14:53 but have u really ever emailed a largwe company and had a response Jun 07 10:14:55 i havent Jun 07 10:15:05 depending on why, yes Jun 07 10:15:09 always :) Jun 07 10:15:18 and in your situation, yes Jun 07 10:15:42 well in the same context yes Jun 07 10:15:53 not your exact situation Jun 07 10:18:32 when communicating between a thread that does logic and a thread that renders, you cannot simply synchronize the threads, because this will inevitably cause a jitter since every so often the logic thread updating the state will block the rendering thread from drawing? Jun 07 10:20:08 lasserix: The UI thread is event-driven, so the golden rule is just that you don't block it, whatever synchronization or communication method you use. Jun 07 10:22:16 i'm not using the pjdelport to do either Jun 07 10:25:31 ? Jun 07 10:27:00 hehe sorry Jun 07 10:27:11 a little tired, i'm not using the UI in either Jun 07 10:27:27 oh? Jun 07 10:27:30 how are you rendering? Jun 07 10:28:11 and if not UI, what would be affected by jitter? Jun 07 10:30:30 i am using glsurfaceview Jun 07 10:30:38 which handles rendering in its own thread Jun 07 10:31:12 anyone know how to speed up the emulator on Windows? amd64 here Jun 07 10:31:32 I could do it in Ubuntu with kvm Jun 07 10:31:50 *have done Jun 07 10:32:02 get an intel proc Jun 07 10:32:11 and run the x86 image Jun 07 10:32:17 with hax Jun 07 10:32:22 only possible for Intel in Windows? Jun 07 10:32:28 haxm Jun 07 10:32:30 Does anyone use vim with syntastic, and know how to make it not complain about package R missing? Jun 07 10:33:03 razzledazzle: I'm running the x86 images on Ubuntu (with no hax) Jun 07 10:33:09 StingRay_: it sped up in Ubuntu, with kvm, yes with the x86 image Jun 07 10:33:26 pjdelport: there was some performance improvement with x86 Jun 07 10:33:40 but its soooo smooth on Ubuntu with kvm Jun 07 10:33:57 I didn't believe it was even possible on this system Jun 07 10:34:11 Harpyon: add your project's bin/classes to g:syntastic_java_javac_classpath Jun 07 10:34:23 just wanted to know if its possible here in Windows for AMD Jun 07 10:34:55 razzledazzle: no idea about Windows, sorry Jun 07 10:35:42 pjdelport: so you're running yours on Linux? Jun 07 10:36:06 with KVM + x86 image? or just the x86 image? Jun 07 10:36:32 lasserix: ah; well, what's your state? Jun 07 10:36:34 guys, i need to display fractions (1 + 2 * 4x) over (27 + 3x) ; and i need that editable, do you have any idea how it can be done on android? Jun 07 10:36:59 if you need the state to actually draw, you probably can't do any better than blocking / waiting for it Jun 07 10:38:10 you'll just want to minimize the window for updates Jun 07 10:38:47 or only check/update the local state after each frame finishes drawing Jun 07 10:39:03 (i'm not that familiar with the GL APIs, but I'm guessing there should be something like that in there) Jun 07 10:39:22 razzledazzle: just the plain x86 images Jun 07 10:39:31 with host GL acceleration, it's plenty fast for my needs Jun 07 10:39:41 viran: textView"s" ? Jun 07 10:40:13 pjdelport: could you give me the command for doing so? I can't seem to get it right Jun 07 10:42:25 StingRay_: using two textView's for one fraction is possible, but i have a long dynamic expression with a few different fractions in it. is there a way i could subclass textView and make it display fractions like objects? Jun 07 10:42:58 well would you not just draw the text yourself then you have total control Jun 07 10:43:04 over all elements ? Jun 07 10:43:16 Harpyon: no special command; i justed downloaded the x86 images and defined the AVDs to use them Jun 07 10:43:30 err, sorry, wrong response Jun 07 10:44:01 Harpyon: you can do it however fits your local config best, but i have it in .vim/ftplugin/java.vim Jun 07 10:44:17 StingRay_: i need to be able to edit the text, im using an EditView right now but it does give me enough functionality Jun 07 10:45:14 But what's the command? Just :let g:syntastic_java_javac_classpath += "bin/classes" ? Jun 07 10:45:54 Harpyon: http://pastebin.com/E0LEsuUn Jun 07 10:46:23 the syntastic plugin is a bit funny; it actually splits on newlines for whatever reason Jun 07 10:46:34 but the above works Jun 07 10:49:02 is it possible extend android.text.Html and add some html tags? maybe? Jun 07 10:53:10 probably not too easily Jun 07 10:53:44 pjdelport: I think that overrides the $CLASSPATH, since now all the android imports errored.. I added bin/classes to $CLASSPATH in the script that adds the android jar though, and now both javacomplete and syntastic works with R. Jun 07 10:55:28