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Jun 09 03:00:57 <Jc_Dev> read that and then rethink why you think you need this, and if you still think you do, talk to someone about what you're actually trying to achieve so you can be led down the correct path (which often involves using scheduled timers instead)
Jun 09 03:03:05 <Jc_Dev> i liked this part of that article: "Think of your Android service as a cron job or Windows scheduled task, not as a persistent daemon or Windows service."
Jun 09 04:13:56 <jmgrosen> is there a good nosql for android? i don't want to go through the pains of using sqlite
Jun 09 04:14:11 <jmgrosen> something like sharedpreferences but for larger sets of data
Jun 09 04:19:16 <Sircle> Jc_Dev: Jc very correct again. but I and the user of the phone, both are/will be aware of it. The service is most of importance. even at sleep. Now lets ignore 4. momentarily and talk about the strategy?
Jun 09 04:26:47 <Sircle> jmgrosen:  files and shared preferences
Jun 09 04:26:55 <Sircle> jmgrosen:  write files.
Jun 09 04:27:58 <Sircle> jmgrosen:  you may want to save those files in internal memory and also encrypt them if they have curcial data
Jun 09 04:28:57 <jmgrosen> so files with serialized objects? or json?
Jun 09 04:29:06 <jmgrosen> is speed comparable to a db?
Jun 09 04:29:16 <jmgrosen> well, my application isn't too performance-crucial
Jun 09 04:30:17 <Sircle> jmgrosen:  http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesInternal
Jun 09 04:31:01 <jmgrosen> would you recommend normal java serialization or json?
Jun 09 04:31:26 <Sircle> #java would be a better place to ask in my recommendation
Jun 09 04:31:31 <jmgrosen> okay, thanks
Jun 09 04:31:45 <Sircle> jmgrosen:  you may wait for an android dev perspective here too
Jun 09 04:31:53 <jmgrosen> alright
Jun 09 04:32:08 <Sircle> its just I never got into that detail
Jun 09 04:43:15 <biggenius> Hello
Jun 09 04:43:41 <biggenius> Is it possible to recompile app with obusfucation decompile with apktool?
Jun 09 04:44:44 <lasserix> jmgrosen: sqlite isn't that bad and once you have the boiler done it's very convient
Jun 09 04:45:45 <lasserix> plus you can roll in it a content provider have convient access
Jun 09 04:46:10 <Sircle> biggenius:  i recomend http://developer.android.com/tools/help/proguard.html
Jun 09 04:46:55 <Jc_Dev> back
Jun 09 04:47:26 <biggenius> Sircle: Yes i am familiar with Proguard. But i am asking if app decompile with Apktool can be obfuscated during recompile process
Jun 09 04:49:00 <jmgrosen> lasserix: the worst part is migrations, though
Jun 09 04:50:35 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: for strategy, i would recommend using BOOT_COMPLETED to reschedule your service executions on startup, and to design your service to run for a limited about of time (say, 10 minutes) and use AlarmManager to start it back up afterwards, this way it won't appear to be a long-running service and will be less likely to be terminated. In addition, you can make it foreground, but that may not be entirely necessary.
Jun 09 04:51:59 <Sircle> biggenius:  hm.. sory , no experience with apktool. wish you  luck
Jun 09 04:52:48 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  actually, internally the app sleeps for the provided time by user. mostly 15 minuts. operates somthing and sleeps again.
Jun 09 04:53:11 <Sircle> jcase:  in an infinite while loop
Jun 09 04:53:22 <jcase> Sircle, wat
Jun 09 04:53:48 <Sircle> sory. my bad
Jun 09 04:53:54 <jcase> biggenius, i answered you in smali
Jun 09 04:53:59 <jcase> then tried to give your MORE help
Jun 09 04:54:01 <jcase> but you left
Jun 09 04:54:05 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: oh also, for your service to do work while the screen is off, you will need to obtain a wake lock
Jun 09 04:54:24 <Sircle> Jc_Dev: :  in an infinite while loop
Jun 09 04:54:39 <Sircle> jcase:  I was disconnected i guess. iam here now
Jun 09 04:54:52 <biggenius> jcase: yes thanks
Jun 09 04:55:01 <jcase> biggenius, what are you trying to obfuscate?
Jun 09 04:55:04 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: i wouldn't recommand an infinite while loop
Jun 09 04:55:05 <jcase> and how do you want it done
Jun 09 04:55:06 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  wake lock? what would that do?
Jun 09 04:55:26 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: a wake lock prevents the CPU from going to sleep when the screen is off
Jun 09 04:55:59 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: so you have to force the phone to be partially awake even when the screen is off if you intend to do work while the screen is off, this is done by requesting a PARTIAL_WAKE_LOCK
Jun 09 04:56:09 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  when the screen is off, the CPU gets to sleep, and the applications stop them selfes?  everything is stopped?
Jun 09 04:56:16 <Jc_Dev> yes
Jun 09 04:56:21 <Sircle> Jc_Dev: the services too?
Jun 09 04:56:24 <Jc_Dev> yes
Jun 09 04:56:33 <Jc_Dev> this is why your phone battery can last all day
Jun 09 04:56:43 <Jc_Dev> it sleeps when you aren't using it
Jun 09 04:57:01 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  No I dont want to consume battery for doing nothing for 15 minuts
Jun 09 04:57:04 <Jc_Dev> you can request to be woken up though, using AlarmManager
Jun 09 04:57:36 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: exactly - so what you do is you "check" to see if there's anything to be done, then let the phone go back to sleep for a while
Jun 09 04:57:53 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  . point. what about the services that receive calls and sms when screen is off. they must be running?
Jun 09 04:58:45 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  if i make it to wake up by alarm manager. the screen will turn ON again? or just my app be able to perform?
Jun 09 04:58:53 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  this is getting complex :)
Jun 09 04:59:14 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: are you talking about the actual OS services? those are different
Jun 09 04:59:17 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: What about those services which are using in Push email applications?
Jun 09 04:59:45 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: they notify user even if screen is off.
Jun 09 05:00:12 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: no it won't turn the screen on, just your app, then for the duration you want to do work, you obtain a wake_lock and then release it when you are done checking to see if there is work/performing work
Jun 09 05:00:34 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: yes, they are most likely being woken up intermittently by the AlarmManager to check for work
Jun 09 05:00:54 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: ok thanks.
Jun 09 05:01:29 <Jc_Dev> if all services were running all the time the phone would be unusable, they are really more like "scheduled tasks"
Jun 09 05:01:43 <Jc_Dev> at least, that's how you should think of them
Jun 09 05:02:14 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  hm
Jun 09 05:02:25 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: only Alarm Manager is solution?
Jun 09 05:02:37 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: Or there is something more out there.
Jun 09 05:02:38 <Jc_Dev> you can interrupt the user and turn on the screen and show a message from the service, but that's discouraged unless the user really really expects this to happen (e.g. incoming call, or alarm clock going off)
Jun 09 05:03:03 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  if a service is listening to calls and sms all the time. then its  a service running all the time or a cron task that starts every nano second and stops after the second nano second?
Jun 09 05:03:11 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: AlarmManager is usually the solution, because you cannot guarantee a service to be long running, and you really don't want it to be long running anyways due to impact on phone
Jun 09 05:03:25 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  the user dont expects the UI
Jun 09 05:04:01 <biggenius> Sircle: Same here, i have app with no ui listening to server and sending info on specfic actions by user.
Jun 09 05:04:29 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: you can usually get a service to run for minutes no problem, but the longer it runs the higher chance android will intervene and stop it, so re-scheduling executions increases the "up time"
Jun 09 05:04:35 <biggenius> Sircle: Thinking about some way to do it, without draining users battery.
Jun 09 05:05:04 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: listening to server? you mean maintaining an active data connection over wi-fi or cellular?
Jun 09 05:05:27 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: intermittent wake-ups that check with the server quickly and then disconnect would help save battery
Jun 09 05:05:30 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: Yes, active data connection on Wifi.
Jun 09 05:05:49 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: alright, good info.
Jun 09 05:06:05 <Sircle> biggenius:  might want to see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot then
Jun 09 05:06:25 <biggenius> Sircle: ok.
Jun 09 05:06:48 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: you'll also need to acquire a wifi lock too, to prevent that radio from going to sleep
Jun 09 05:06:58 <Jc_Dev> (while your service is awake to perform the server check)
Jun 09 05:07:09 <Sircle> hm
Jun 09 05:08:13 <biggenius> hmm ok
Jun 09 05:09:38 <Jc_Dev> i'm actually doing something along these lines too, i want a service to run a p2p client, but i need to let it shutdown gracefully after a period of inactivity (even if the screen is off)
Jun 09 05:10:09 <Sircle> :)
Jun 09 05:10:16 <Jc_Dev> i'm using a combination of all these techniques :)
Jun 09 05:10:23 <Sircle> hm
Jun 09 05:10:46 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  then I made valid question
Jun 09 05:10:57 <Jc_Dev> I've actually made my own service derivation called AutoStopService which shuts itself off after a period of inactivity, and starts itself back up when the activity needs to know something
Jun 09 05:11:33 <biggenius> what if i have app that requests Permissions from users. And i don't write all these permission in AndroidManifest
Jun 09 05:11:42 <Jc_Dev> yep it's a valid question, it's just that the answer may lead to some different design then you originally were anticipating
Jun 09 05:11:57 <biggenius> Will my app crash or what?
Jun 09 05:12:21 <biggenius> on not getting appropriate permissions from user?
Jun 09 05:12:21 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: yeah you'll get a runtime exception that tells you to put it in the manifest :)
Jun 09 05:12:23 <Sircle> ya..... thats the problem. design problem Jc_Dev
Jun 09 05:12:32 <Jc_Dev> biggenius: or the behavior just won't occur
Jun 09 05:12:36 <biggenius> Jc_Dev: cool
Jun 09 05:12:51 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  do vote my question up or down if you think any thing about it
Jun 09 05:13:10 <Sircle> biggenius: ^
Jun 09 05:13:19 <Sircle> and I might set a bounty
Jun 09 05:14:15 <biggenius> Sircle: What? you want me to upvote some question?
Jun 09 05:14:32 <biggenius> Sircle: Where is question?
Jun 09 05:16:13 <Sircle> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 09 05:16:43 <Sircle> biggenius:  just a sentance. you may downvote too :) if you dont like it
Jun 09 05:18:00 <biggenius> Sircle: I already implement this intent based service in my app.
Jun 09 05:18:19 <biggenius> Sircle: Upvoted your question, looks good to me.
Jun 09 05:21:24 <jmgrosen> this looks interesting for my problem: https://github.com/jankotek/mapdb
Jun 09 05:21:42 <jmgrosen> anyone have any experience with it?
Jun 09 05:22:27 <Jc_Dev> not I, i see they have maven integration though :)
Jun 09 05:22:48 <jmgrosen> yes, and a very nice api it seems
Jun 09 05:24:16 <Jc_Dev> and under active development too
Jun 09 05:25:49 <jmgrosen> "janotek authored 8 hours ago" -- eeyup
Jun 09 05:36:18 <Sircle> biggenius: thanks
Jun 09 05:36:32 <Sircle> biggenius:  you might want to show up you code if its opensourced
Jun 09 05:36:50 <Sircle> Jc_Dev: ^
Jun 09 05:37:13 <biggenius> Sircle: Sure, but i am just using Boot completed intent , nothing so special about the code
Jun 09 05:41:27 <Sircle> biggenius:  ok. np then
Jun 09 05:41:36 <thebean> hi all...need some help populating fragments in a widget's configure activity
Jun 09 05:42:15 <thebean> the activity will have 3 tabs and i'm trying to build a fragment class such that it can load all 3 tabs dynamically
Jun 09 05:42:46 <thebean> somehow I'm missing the gap between the activity and the fragment classes
Jun 09 05:43:17 <Jc_Dev> your activity will have a pager, your pager will implement getItem, which will return an instance of a fragment
Jun 09 05:44:08 <thebean> can that fragment be the same type every time?
Jun 09 05:44:24 <Sircle> Jc_Dev:  biggenius  pleasure talking
Jun 09 05:44:28 * Sircle goes to bed
Jun 09 05:44:30 <Jc_Dev> you can switch on the index to determine which of the 3 fragments you create
Jun 09 05:44:32 <Jc_Dev> Sircle: cya
Jun 09 05:44:52 <thebean> and how do I pass the index to the fragment from the activity?
Jun 09 05:45:17 <Jc_Dev> the index is part of the pager callback which is already in the activity
Jun 09 05:45:34 <Jc_Dev> each tab is represented by a fragment
Jun 09 05:45:44 <Jc_Dev> rather, each tab contents i should say
Jun 09 05:46:23 <thebean> ok...
Jun 09 05:46:50 <thebean> I guess where I may be getting caught up is that depending on the tab, the adapter for the fragment may be different
Jun 09 05:47:02 <thebean> so same fragment, different adapter
Jun 09 05:47:08 <Jc_Dev> the adapter should be within the fragment - fragments are intended to be self-contained
Jun 09 05:47:39 <thebean> can I dynamically choose which adapter to use for an instance of a fragment?
Jun 09 05:47:52 <thebean> based on data in the activity?
Jun 09 05:48:15 <Jc_Dev> yes, you can pass arguments to the fragment as part of creating it
Jun 09 05:49:25 <thebean> I created the fragment by calling getFragmentManager().findFragmentById(id)... is that right?
Jun 09 05:49:50 <thebean> or should I build the fragment with a constructor and call that?
Jun 09 05:51:04 <Jc_Dev> your activity will have an instance of FragmentPagerAdapter, which you use as the adapter for your ViewPager
Jun 09 05:51:38 <Jc_Dev> this causes the viewpager to call getItem(int position) when the user selects a tab
Jun 09 05:51:58 <Jc_Dev> you return a fragment by using the constructor: e.g. return new MyFragment();
Jun 09 05:52:25 <Jc_Dev> job done!
Jun 09 05:53:25 <Jc_Dev> to be honest, i'd just make a new project with min api 11 or higher, and pick a default activity that uses the viewpager, it generates you a nice example of how to do it
Jun 09 05:54:14 <thebean> ok I'll look into that...I haven't been able to find any simple examples of what I'm trying to do
Jun 09 05:54:30 <thebean> basically I have a layout with a TabHost and 3 fragments
Jun 09 05:55:23 <thebean> on creation of the activity I add the tabs, but I'm stuck trying to build the code that populates/updates the tabs
Jun 09 05:55:25 <Jc_Dev> ah ok, yeah you're basically doing it all manually - ViewPager with a FragmentPagerAdater makes it a lot easier to work with
Jun 09 05:55:49 <thebean> hmm...ok
Jun 09 05:56:22 <Jc_Dev> check out the generated example, it might look goofy at first but it should "click" after you play with it
Jun 09 05:56:54 <thebean> alright...I'll give it a try...many thanks!
Jun 09 05:57:03 <Jc_Dev> only gotcha is i think you need  min api of 11 to leverage those new classes, i'm not entirely sure if they were backported via the support mechanisms
Jun 09 05:57:08 <Jc_Dev> you're welcome, good luck :)
Jun 09 05:57:24 <thebean> I'm building on api 17 so that shouldn't be a problem
Jun 09 05:57:46 <Jc_Dev> yeah, but min api is a separate concern than target api
Jun 09 05:58:21 <thebean> oh right
Jun 09 05:58:22 <Jc_Dev> currently close to 40% of android users are on api 10 still (shakes fist)
Jun 09 05:59:01 <Jc_Dev> http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Jun 09 05:59:49 <thebean> hmm...the project I'm using has min api of 8 :(
Jun 09 06:00:04 <biggenius> Mine works for API 7
Jun 09 06:00:24 <canadiancow> 7 is not worth supporting
Jun 09 06:00:27 <canadiancow> 8 is not worth supporting
Jun 09 06:00:31 <Jc_Dev> the difference between 7 and 19 is under 5%
Jun 09 06:00:40 <Jc_Dev> *9
Jun 09 06:01:06 <Jc_Dev> sorry not the difference, the total users using those 3 versions
Jun 09 06:01:28 <canadiancow> 9 is also not worth supporting, but generally, if you can support 10, you can support 9
Jun 09 06:01:35 <canadiancow> the api differences between 9 and 10 are tiny
Jun 09 06:02:11 <Jc_Dev> there were some nice changes between 10 and 11, i decided to use 11 in my app, but i'm also hoping everyone upgrades to the nice new phones coming out this year
Jun 09 06:02:20 <Jc_Dev> or even to last year's phones lol
Jun 09 06:02:22 <canadiancow> 11 is also not worth it
Jun 09 06:02:27 <canadiancow> 11, 12, 13 are not worth it
Jun 09 06:02:30 <canadiancow> really, your choices are 10 or 14
Jun 09 06:02:36 <kevinb> 15 even
Jun 09 06:02:38 <canadiancow> yeah
Jun 09 06:02:47 <canadiancow> 8, 10, 15, 16, 17
Jun 09 06:02:57 <canadiancow> if you need 10, and it works on 8 iwthout much trouble, i'll accept 8
Jun 09 06:03:02 <canadiancow> but otherwise, pick one of those four
Jun 09 06:03:22 <Jc_Dev> yeah i should probably change my min from 11 to 15, i'm not actually sure what i'm missing out on now that i think about it
Jun 09 06:03:49 <Jc_Dev> i just picked 11 so i could use the new holo stuff
Jun 09 06:03:54 <jcase> 13 is if you are doing gtv
Jun 09 06:03:58 <Snicers-Home> should I use ADT or Android Studio, I like the AS IDE, but it seems very buggy and there is not much support for it yet.
Jun 09 06:04:12 <Zharf> use intellij idea
Jun 09 06:04:14 <Zharf> ;)
Jun 09 06:04:31 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: i'm using AS myself, it's the way to go gonig forward so might as well take the plunge
Jun 09 06:04:58 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, I agree, but I am having a huge issue pulling down source from VCS.
Jun 09 06:05:34 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: you mean using the integrated VCS options in the IDE?
Jun 09 06:05:43 <Snicers-Home> yeah
Jun 09 06:05:48 <Jc_Dev> i use them all the time (i'm on bitbucket at the moment)
Jun 09 06:05:53 <Snicers-Home> The source pulled down, but now I am getting all sorts of errors.
Jun 09 06:06:27 <thebean> Jc_Dev: from what I'm seeing ViewPager and FragmentPagerAdapter are in the Support Library...isn't that more for compatibility?
Jun 09 06:07:00 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, I am using bitbucket as well, but files on my laptop (mainly in the build folder) do not push to bitbucket for some reason.
Jun 09 06:07:09 <Jc_Dev> thebean: it's the mechanism for letting you use new features but still target older api's, i'm not sure why google decided to put those in the support library only though, shrug
Jun 09 06:07:33 <thebean> oh ok thanks for clarifying...it is very weird
Jun 09 06:07:34 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: you shouldn't be putting files under your build folder under source control in the first place
Jun 09 06:07:48 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: check out the standard .git-ignore templates, there's one for android
Jun 09 06:08:10 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, correct, but when I pull it tells me "ERROR: APK path is not specified for module 'AppNameHere'"
Jun 09 06:08:42 <Zharf> Jc_Dev, .gitignore
Jun 09 06:09:01 <Jc_Dev> Zharf: ah ok
Jun 09 06:09:33 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: do you have a git root setup in your project? it's one of those little messages at the top right if you open a project that appears to be under source control
Jun 09 06:09:45 <Snicers-Home> yes
Jun 09 06:09:47 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: i actually used the command line to clone the repo first, then opened it
Jun 09 06:09:56 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, I did it both wasy
Jun 09 06:10:45 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: make sure you're launching Android Studio with Administrator privelege, if this applies to you
Jun 09 06:11:03 <Jc_Dev> there's a few ppl complaining about this here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16722651/apk-path-is-not-specified-for-module-example-example
Jun 09 06:11:10 <Jc_Dev> not sure it's related to source control though
Jun 09 06:11:22 <Snicers-Home> I am.
Jun 09 06:12:19 <Jc_Dev> hmmm not sure then - i haven't run into anything like that myself
Jun 09 06:13:06 <Snicers-Home> ok so here might be an issue,.
Jun 09 06:13:29 <Snicers-Home> I have to redefine the SDK when I import from VSC since the names are slightly different, this causes the Gradle: : java.lang.NullPointerException
Jun 09 06:14:19 <Jc_Dev> redefine the apk?
Jun 09 06:14:28 <Jc_Dev> or you talking java sdk?
Jun 09 06:14:41 <Snicers-Home> android sdk
Jun 09 06:14:46 <Jc_Dev> oh
Jun 09 06:15:01 <Jc_Dev> why do you need to do that?
Jun 09 06:15:20 <Snicers-Home> IDK
Jun 09 06:15:33 <Jc_Dev> do you have the sdk under source control?
Jun 09 06:15:35 <Snicers-Home> My guess is they are in different locations on my two computers
Jun 09 06:15:40 <Snicers-Home> no I don't.
Jun 09 06:15:57 <Snicers-Home> then to fix the null point I do this: Project structure -> modules -> remove Android -Gradle
Jun 09 06:16:26 <Zharf> it's not a location thing, I haven't used AS but in intellij IDEA you have SDKs with names, and the proejct files match the sdk with the name
Jun 09 06:16:59 <Zharf> you can add multiple SDKs
Jun 09 06:17:43 <Snicers-Home> after I remove Android-Gradle I can then build with no errors, when I then go to run the app I get the APK path is not specified for module
Jun 09 06:18:23 <Jc_Dev> it would make sense to get that when you run... but you said you get that when you pull from source control, i'm confused
Jun 09 06:18:44 * Zharf zzz
Jun 09 06:19:10 <Jc_Dev> here's how to fix it maybe though: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6079004/upgrade-intellij-to-10-5-and-android-build-fails-android-sdk-not-specified
Jun 09 06:19:15 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, I get that when I pull from sourcecode and run
Jun 09 06:19:27 <Snicers-Home> when I run from the computer I dev'd on originally it runs fine.
Jun 09 06:19:44 <Jc_Dev> oh ok, sounds like it's unrelated to source conrol, it's just a misconfiguration on the one computer
Jun 09 06:19:56 <killmesoftly> hey guys... this is more of a java question but anyway to handle webscraping task I almost always use HTMLUnit... now I am tryig to login to a forum or flickr, etc. and the grab what I need. The URL of the login form is on a page with .php extension and I don't think HTMLUnit will work because of that. Can anyone please help?
Jun 09 06:20:48 <Snicers-Home> Jc_Dev, I have tried that, no luck.
Jun 09 06:20:50 <Jc_Dev> if you haven't tried it, is there really any help needed?
Jun 09 06:21:03 <Jc_Dev> (directed at killmesoftly )
Jun 09 06:21:35 <Jc_Dev> i use a mac and win 7 with AS and bitbucket, haven't seen that myself yet
Jun 09 06:21:57 <Jc_Dev> sounds annoying though
Jun 09 06:23:20 <thebean> Jc_Dev: quick follow-up question...will using viewpager/fragmentpageadapter work for a widget configuration activity?
Jun 09 06:23:25 <Bear10> can you use a webview to display html contents even without loading a url?
Jun 09 06:23:49 <Bear10> looks like it, forget i asked
Jun 09 06:24:59 <Jc_Dev> thebean: i haven't played with widget's yet, but my understanding is they launch an activity just the same as usual, so my understanding is that there's nothing special about the fact it's a widget configuration screen vs a typical activity
Jun 09 06:25:11 <Jc_Dev> Bear10: asked what?
Jun 09 06:25:17 <Bear10> exactly
Jun 09 06:25:18 <thebean> ok cool
Jun 09 06:25:20 <Bear10> :P
Jun 09 06:25:24 <Jc_Dev> ;)
Jun 09 06:29:40 <Snicers-Home> I also get this: "Gradle  project refresh failed: Can't resolve Gradle project. Reason: given path doesn't point to a file". It is pointing to a location on my original computer that I started coding on...
Jun 09 06:31:51 <Snicers-Home> So I guess I just copy the code and start a new project...
Jun 09 07:03:29 <biggenius> you guys aware of any android security research irc channel?
Jun 09 07:13:57 <lasserix> biggenuis prob android-root or here depending on context
Jun 09 07:17:30 <Jc_Dev> Snicers-Home: oh it almost sounds like you have some of the project files under source control - what does your .gitignore look like?
Jun 09 07:18:16 <Jc_Dev> the big one is the .idea folder, but there's a few more
Jun 09 07:35:10 <ron_frown> I would pay money to be able to sleep =(
Jun 09 07:36:03 <Jc_Dev> ron_frown: hey do i have the app for you...
Jun 09 07:36:28 <ron_frown> ?
Jun 09 07:36:54 <Jc_Dev> oh just implying i have some snake oil for sale :)
Jun 09 07:37:21 <ron_frown> I've slept like maybe a grand total of 4 hours the last week
Jun 09 07:37:31 <ron_frown> I've just decided not to bother TRYING for sleep
Jun 09 07:37:51 <Jc_Dev> actually you know there's this 15-20 minute yoga track i listen to sometimes, it pretty awesome for falling asleep, it gets you all relaxed and you just pass out, but it's funny cause the track isn't actually intended for making you sleep, just rest
Jun 09 07:39:24 <ron_frown> Jc_Dev theres an interesting shoutcast radio stream called ambient sleep
Jun 09 07:39:35 <ron_frown> it helps, but I dont know what it i
Jun 09 07:40:10 <ron_frown> I'll finally fall asleep after a couple hours, then sleep for like an hour then be attempting sleep the rest of hte night
Jun 09 07:47:14 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: hey dude, u there?
Jun 09 08:10:24 <omid8bimo> anyone can answer this please? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17007474/how-to-view-an-image-uri-fetched-from-sqlite-table-inside-an-imageview
Jun 09 08:14:22 <Jc_Dev> hey omid8bimo are you basically asking how to retrieve the column value as a string from the cursor?
Jun 09 08:15:11 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: well, i think so. the problem is i dont know how to get that single column (which is image uri) and show is in my imageview in my custom adapter method?
Jun 09 08:16:58 <Jc_Dev> oh ic, one sec i did that before
Jun 09 08:23:10 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: let me clarify - you have the uri as a string, and you have the reference to the imageview, and you want to set it? if that's the case, I believe it is like this: iv.setImageURI(Uri.parse(fileString));
Jun 09 08:24:00 <Jc_Dev> btw i see you're using a listview and sqllite, have you considered using SimpleCursorAdapter instead of ArrayAdapter?
Jun 09 08:26:32 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: well, yeah. but the uri is a column in the db. how can i map that to a String first my in custom adapter method?
Jun 09 08:27:13 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: yeah i read about SimpleCursorAdapter but i dont know how to use it in my case? like how it will simplify my code?
Jun 09 08:27:39 <Jc_Dev> it simplifies it a lot because you specify which columns to populate which controls in your row
Jun 09 08:27:58 <Jc_Dev> and you can override the assignment yourself if needed by overriding setViewBinder
Jun 09 08:28:33 <Jc_Dev> in fact, i would say just switch over to that, i'm not really sure how to do it properly otherwise
Jun 09 08:28:44 <Jc_Dev> i'll be back in a few min
Jun 09 08:31:24 <Unknown0BC> Is there anybody out there ?
Jun 09 08:34:05 <rocketnine> hi
Jun 09 08:34:20 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: so with SimpleCursorAdapter, i dont need to define a my custom adapter method?
Jun 09 08:40:17 <tagrudev> Hello guys :) https://gist.github.com/tagrudev/5742841 any ideas on that ?
Jun 09 08:40:28 <tagrudev> The new android studio is giving me so much head ache
Jun 09 08:55:18 <monsti> hi
Jun 09 08:57:41 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: hey sorry about that, i'm back - one sec let me give you an example
Jun 09 08:58:05 <Unknown0BC> I'm new to Android dev ( but an experienced programmer ), i'm using an "selector" to change button text when pressed etc. but when I try use it to change the background color the program is not working.
Jun 09 08:58:26 <Unknown0BC> I see on the net ways the change the button color with an image, but is that necesarry ?
Jun 09 08:58:46 <Unknown0BC> necessary*
Jun 09 08:59:11 <monsti> i think you can use a color, too
Jun 09 08:59:34 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: ok thanks dude
Jun 09 08:59:37 <monsti> the "images" you use are drawables
Jun 09 08:59:44 <Jc_Dev> Unknown0BC: only if you want say some sort of custom background, like funky rounded corners for example. you use a 9patch file which is a mechanism for letting the button scale properly on various screen sizes
Jun 09 08:59:52 <monsti> and a drawable can be a "shape" (type square) with a color
Jun 09 09:00:51 <StingRay_> a drawable can be a fill description too
Jun 09 09:01:03 <StingRay_> like a gradient + stroke
Jun 09 09:01:15 * Unknown0BC reads
Jun 09 09:01:16 <Jc_Dev> oh hey StingRay_
Jun 09 09:01:18 <StingRay_> gradientDrawable
Jun 09 09:01:19 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 09:01:26 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: no
Jun 09 09:01:27 <StingRay_> no
Jun 09 09:01:32 <StingRay_> you did not get it workin
Jun 09 09:01:40 <Jc_Dev> oh but i did
Jun 09 09:01:45 <StingRay_> cuase thats what "oh hi stringray" means
Jun 09 09:01:53 <Jc_Dev> it worked so well rainbows appeared
Jun 09 09:02:02 <Jc_Dev> lol yeah
Jun 09 09:02:06 <Jc_Dev> i send you a memo on irc
Jun 09 09:02:24 <Jc_Dev> did you get the notification when you logged on?
Jun 09 09:02:26 <Unknown0BC> I found it rather strange that the method worked fine on android:textcolor then I just wanted to use the same method on android:background ( in the button section ), and it kinda crashes.
Jun 09 09:02:28 <StingRay_> but did you hear baby unicorns laughing ? cause thats when you know you get something right !
Jun 09 09:02:35 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: no
Jun 09 09:02:39 <Unknown0BC> So must I use drawable for the background of the button ?
Jun 09 09:02:41 <Jc_Dev> ok one sec lemme find the link
Jun 09 09:02:41 <StingRay_> no notifications
Jun 09 09:02:47 <Unknown0BC> MUST*
Jun 09 09:02:55 <StingRay_> Unknown0BC: your missing the point
Jun 09 09:03:02 <Unknown0BC> the same method for the text just does not work for the background ?
Jun 09 09:03:05 <StingRay_> a drawable is something that can be drawn
Jun 09 09:03:50 <StingRay_> text would use a colorStateList
Jun 09 09:04:01 <Unknown0BC> ah
Jun 09 09:04:01 <StingRay_> a button/view would use a drawableStates
Jun 09 09:04:15 <Unknown0BC> ah
Jun 09 09:04:21 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: http://pastebin.com/YDBAcBNz
Jun 09 09:04:26 <Unknown0BC> gotcha thanks man :)
Jun 09 09:04:40 <tagrudev> Any idea on this I tried to insert a external lib in my libs directory in Android Studio and now I get this https://gist.github.com/tagrudev/5742841
Jun 09 09:05:32 <tagrudev> I tried manually defining a packageName (although there is one in Manifest file) in the gradle.build
Jun 09 09:05:38 <tagrudev> still the same output
Jun 09 09:05:56 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: you know how many SO points you will get for this  lol
Jun 09 09:06:10 <StingRay_> cause I would think 100's of questions active at the moment
Jun 09 09:06:24 <StingRay_> with various lib projects needs
Jun 09 09:08:49 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: yeah i saw a lot, i answered one of them here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9744721/relative-project-dependencies-in-gradle/16999835#16999835
Jun 09 09:09:17 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: hey i'm working on sanitizing an example, and i just realized one thing - i think you need to make a content provider to use SimpleCursorAdapter
Jun 09 09:10:32 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: is that something you'd be ok doing? i find it makes a great abstraction for the db layer anyways
Jun 09 09:10:43 <Jc_Dev> i'll keep working on the example regardless, but just realized that
Jun 09 09:11:46 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: thank you so much :)
Jun 09 09:15:29 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: ok sorry i had to hack it together from a few classes because i had some in an abstract base class, but here's the idea: http://pastebin.com/D15MzRdG
Jun 09 09:16:08 <Jc_Dev> those constants are coming from my "interface" class that goes with the provider i made to represent my db table
Jun 09 09:17:01 <Jc_Dev> the magic is in createAdapter, in the setViewBinder you can take over how the data gets set into the row's view, in my case i'm translating a stored date into a textual representation
Jun 09 09:20:24 * StingRay_ loves it when there is magic
Jun 09 09:20:26 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 09:20:32 <tagrudev> migrating back to eclipse must be the answer
Jun 09 09:20:53 <Jc_Dev> tagrudev: android studio troubles?
Jun 09 09:21:32 <tagrudev> It can not include a simple external lib
Jun 09 09:22:09 <tagrudev> and I can't even start to explain my disappointment from this gradle (sh.t)
Jun 09 09:22:11 <tagrudev> really
Jun 09 09:22:48 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: all right, let me see that and get back to you if i had a question. thanks for your time
Jun 09 09:22:58 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: alrighty
Jun 09 09:23:04 <tagrudev> and who the funk does this for an IDE
Jun 09 09:23:04 <tagrudev> http://screencloud.net/v/dwu4
Jun 09 09:23:12 <Jc_Dev> tagrudev: oh yeah it's tricky the first time, is it a jar you're including?
Jun 09 09:23:40 <Jc_Dev> yeah keep in mind it's at like version 0.1
Jun 09 09:23:43 <tagrudev> yes I found out how to include it in the gradle
Jun 09 09:23:51 <tagrudev> but now
Jun 09 09:23:58 <tagrudev> there is a problem with the build it cannot locate
Jun 09 09:24:08 <Jc_Dev> oh you have to do a clean
Jun 09 09:24:14 <tagrudev> how can I do that ?
Jun 09 09:24:22 <Jc_Dev> what OS are you
Jun 09 09:24:57 <tagrudev> ubuntu 13.04
Jun 09 09:25:07 <Jc_Dev> Terminal/command prompt/console to your project root and run equivalent of: ./gradlew clean
Jun 09 09:25:16 <Jc_Dev> ./gradlew clean build      will do a clean and a build
Jun 09 09:26:41 <Jc_Dev> also, here's a shortcut to auto-include any jars you add to your project: compile fileTree(dir: 'libs', include: '*.jar')
Jun 09 09:27:14 <tagrudev> I did that
Jun 09 09:27:19 <tagrudev> still fails
Jun 09 09:27:34 <tagrudev> https://gist.github.com/tagrudev/9923d2ba63abd3a47b2e
Jun 09 09:28:13 <tagrudev> apparantly now It cannot find my R. file
Jun 09 09:28:15 <tagrudev> ;(
Jun 09 09:28:26 <tagrudev> also
Jun 09 09:30:00 <Jc_Dev> ah ok yeah that failure is something else, are you ok posting your build.gradle?
Jun 09 09:31:59 <tagrudev> Jc_Dev: yes I am trying to rebuild the project from scratch let me try that and if it fails again I will paste it
Jun 09 09:32:04 <Jc_Dev> ok
Jun 09 09:41:40 <StingRay_> Jc_Dev: will AS ever include a auto gradle config sync magicy thingy ?  Cause for me to switch to gradle and maintain configs ( sometimes when just testing a library) is for a non-coder, a pain!!
Jun 09 09:41:58 <StingRay_> and do you think they will call it what i just did ?  lol
Jun 09 09:42:19 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: they included a sync button in the last patch, it syncs the IDE with gradle, which is a start
Jun 09 09:42:36 <StingRay_> a visual gradle editor
Jun 09 09:42:40 <StingRay_> now thats an idea
Jun 09 09:43:05 <Jc_Dev> StingRay_: I'm not sure if it does more, i haven't played with it yet, but yeah, i have no idea if you'll ever move away from manually editing gradle files
Jun 09 09:49:23 <Mavrik> StingRay_, dude, AS is version 0.1.3
Jun 09 09:49:30 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: im a little confused. first of all, if i have 5 columns in the db, should i have one item in "from" and "to" arrays fro SimpleCursorAdapter?
Jun 09 09:49:31 <Mavrik> it's in a pre-alpha state :)
Jun 09 09:50:04 <StingRay_> Didnt ask what version it was in ;)  I knew that
Jun 09 09:50:16 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: you can grab out as many columns as you want, so if you wanted all 5, you would specify the 5 column names in "from" and the destination textview id's in "to" (for example)
Jun 09 09:51:10 <Mavrik> StingRay_, well, isn't it obvious then that it's not finished product yet? And that Gradle integration into IntelliJ suite has just started?
Jun 09 09:51:27 <StingRay_> it is obvious, and yes
Jun 09 09:51:34 <StingRay_> again that wasnt my question
Jun 09 09:54:13 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: ohom. in the "from" array, should i use the tableName.columnName or can i just juse the column names?
Jun 09 09:54:19 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: the thing is, the SimpleCursorAdapter wants to be powered by a content provider, which is another layer you probably don't have yet - there's a good example in the sdx examples though, that's what i used
Jun 09 09:55:05 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: from is just the strings of the actual column names, which should be defined as constants somewhere in your project in theory :)
Jun 09 09:56:43 <bluesm> What is the purpose of "hint" in TextView ?
Jun 09 09:56:49 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: ok i have created a dbhelper class. i just use the DbhelperClassName.columnNameField. correct?
Jun 09 09:57:40 <Zta> bluesm: It's for when Facebook encourages you to type "What's on your mind?" in a text field.
Jun 09 09:58:00 <Zta> ... if I remember correctly.
Jun 09 09:58:23 <bluesm> Zta: It is probably "EditText" Not TextView.
Jun 09 09:58:49 <Zta> Oh, right.
Jun 09 09:58:57 <Zta> Good question then =)
Jun 09 09:59:03 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: if that's the name of your actual database column, then yes
Jun 09 09:59:13 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: all right. doing it now
Jun 09 09:59:41 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: the sample for a content provider that i used: /Applications/Android Studio.app/sdk/samples/android-17/NotePad/src/com/example/android/notepad/NotePadProvider.java
Jun 09 10:02:58 <Jc_Dev> heads up to anyone who suddenly gets problems with their R identifiers not compiling - run lint, you may have a typo somewhere in an xml document
Jun 09 10:03:30 <edwinkcw> hi all, anyone is familiar with Volley, the new library from google for building rest app?
Jun 09 10:03:58 <edwinkcw> I have a problem that it seems to have somethings contradicted to the presentation in Google I/O 2010
Jun 09 10:05:03 <Jc_Dev> i imagine hint is more for accessibility features, like screen readers
Jun 09 10:05:28 <edwinkcw> in 2010, the presenter said we should use service to prevent the system killing the app, but in volley, I can't find that service. I can find two threads only, one for cache and one for network. did i misunderstand somethings?
Jun 09 10:07:40 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, I think you misunderstood context
Jun 09 10:07:49 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, what are you trying to do with Volley?
Jun 09 10:08:14 <edwinkcw> Mavrik, just build an restful client
Jun 09 10:09:05 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: which part did I misunderstand?
Jun 09 10:09:34 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, why exactly do you want to prevent OS from killing your requests for a simple RESTful client?
Jun 09 10:09:45 <Jc_Dev> omid8bimo: well good luck with the refactor, i'm calling it a night. i think you'll like the content provider, one of the things you get for free is notifications of when the data changes and it auto-updates the view.
Jun 09 10:10:06 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, the only usecase why would you ever wanna stop OS from killing your request is long-running downloads in background
Jun 09 10:10:21 <omid8bimo> Jc_Dev: ok. thanks for your help. im still working on it to see how can i make it work.
Jun 09 10:10:21 <Mavrik> for which the Volley devs explicitly say that lib wasn't meant to do that
Jun 09 10:10:33 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: it should be a waste if I send the request, but response is back while the app is killed
Jun 09 10:10:42 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, and?
Jun 09 10:10:57 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: if I run a service, I can store the response into database.
Jun 09 10:10:59 <Mavrik> user closed your app, stop running ;)
Jun 09 10:11:52 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, if you followed the talk you would see that Volley devs explicitly tell you to cancel requests when UI is closed
Jun 09 10:11:59 <Mavrik> and that's the usecase Volley is built for
Jun 09 10:12:09 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: ok
Jun 09 10:12:27 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: so I feel confused by those two presentations
Jun 09 10:13:21 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: one says we should run a service to prevent the response is not handled. Volley says just kill the request if the user exits
Jun 09 10:13:37 <Mavrik> yeah?
Jun 09 10:13:47 <Mavrik> again, think of the context
Jun 09 10:14:03 <Mavrik> and stop holding presenter usecases as holy and thinking situation can't change over time
Jun 09 10:14:16 <Mavrik> Volley is built ease things like loading thumbnails and data in UIs
Jun 09 10:14:28 <Mavrik> for which there's no reason to burn user data connection and CPU after the app is closed
Jun 09 10:14:37 <Mavrik> if you need to store the data in background, store it in background
Jun 09 10:14:45 <Mavrik> but Volley probably isn't build for that, use another lib or roll your own
Jun 09 10:14:53 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: ok, so when should I use service approach?
Jun 09 10:15:25 <edwinkcw> Mavrik: ok, I got your point
Jun 09 10:18:29 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, you should use a service approach when you don't want to lose the response
Jun 09 10:18:35 <Mavrik> edwinkcw, for most UI-oriented stuff that makes no sense
Jun 09 10:18:46 <Mavrik> e.g. retrieving app data, retrieving inbox in background makes little sense
Jun 09 10:19:05 <Mavrik> since that data will probably be obsolete by the time user opens the UI again and you'll have to fetch it again anyway
Jun 09 10:19:22 <Mavrik> use background service when doing something more important - sending new posts, sending GCM tokens, etc.
Jun 09 10:19:26 <Mavrik> things that MUST NOT be lost
Jun 09 10:36:05 <Zta> Why is my ActionBar in my app dark? My AndroidManifest defines <application android:theme="@style/MyTheme">.  My styles include <style name="MyBaseTheme" parent="android:Theme.Light">.
Jun 09 10:36:19 <Zta> oh, and <style name="MyTheme" parent="MyBaseTheme">
Jun 09 10:43:17 <omid8bimo> anyone? -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17007474/how-to-view-an-image-uri-fetched-from-sqlite-table-inside-an-imageview/
Jun 09 10:46:48 <lasserix> use volley
Jun 09 10:48:48 <bluesm> Does views without the "layout_weight" have the priority ?
Jun 09 10:49:21 <Zta> My God it's annoying that Ctrl+F11 in Eclipse doesn't launch my app when having a style.xml file open.  Anyone know a fix?
Jun 09 10:50:40 <bluesm> Open ? Even as the tab only ?
Jun 09 10:51:08 <bluesm> Zta: Click on your name of project, and run then...
Jun 09 10:51:31 <Zta> bluesm: Too difficult.  I need a hotkey.
Jun 09 10:51:33 <omid8bimo> lasserix: all documents usually have only text views. i have an imageview which i need to know how to show my photo from their uri in db
Jun 09 10:52:13 <Zta> Shift+Alt+Q, P, Ctrl+F11 maybe.
Jun 09 10:52:52 <Ankhwatcher> Hey there! I want to read the xml coming from my twitter RSS feed and find youtube urls from it. Can anyone point me to a good example of decoding xml in android?
Jun 09 10:56:10 <lasserix> omid: oh the uri is pointing to an image on the device?
Jun 09 10:57:32 <omid8bimo> lasserix: yes. so i need to use that uri in the database as the source for imageview's setImage
Jun 09 10:58:05 <lasserix> well you have to get the uri out of the db
Jun 09 10:58:10 <lasserix> then use the uri to load a bitmap
Jun 09 10:59:06 <lasserix> the later part seems easy enough : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3720530/why-would-imageview-setimageuri-work-in-android-2-2-but-not-2-1
Jun 09 10:59:25 <lasserix> the former part you have to get access to the db either through a content provider or your own db manager
Jun 09 10:59:27 <G10h4ck> hi!
Jun 09 10:59:33 <lasserix> then query it and pull the uri from the cursor
Jun 09 11:02:35 <primski> how do you this pull from left menu, like gmail has and many other apps? could someone give me a few keywords where to start my research? many thanks
Jun 09 11:08:35 <primski> there are some 3rd party libraries like this one https://github.com/jfeinstein10/SlidingMenu/tree/slidingright ...
Jun 09 11:09:59 <StingRay_> primski: there is the new stuff in the support lib now
Jun 09 11:10:02 <StingRay_> dont forget that
Jun 09 11:10:10 <primski> oh yea?  which one?
Jun 09 11:10:19 <StingRay_> "the" support lib
Jun 09 11:10:35 <StingRay_> as in V4 revision…erm…13 ?
Jun 09 11:10:45 <StingRay_> dunno what current revision is
Jun 09 11:10:45 <primski> i mean, is there a view class or what in the support lib?
Jun 09 11:10:58 <StingRay_> there is a slide-in-menu
Jun 09 11:11:09 <StingRay_> dunno not looked at it yet
Jun 09 11:11:34 <primski> ok, i'll check it out thanks
Jun 09 11:13:21 <Ankhwatcher> okay new question, how can I use regex (or something else) to extract a url from a string?
Jun 09 11:14:40 <StingRay_> by learning regex ?
Jun 09 11:15:07 <Ankhwatcher> StingRay_: lol, that's what I'm trying to avoid :p
Jun 09 11:15:19 <StingRay_> ok then why are you looking at regex
Jun 09 11:15:37 <StingRay_> your question make very little sense :)
Jun 09 11:16:00 <StingRay_> how can I "the answer" for "the question"
Jun 09 11:16:16 <Ankhwatcher> ?
Jun 09 11:16:37 <Ankhwatcher> did you watch The Empire Strikes Back again StingRay_?
Jun 09 11:16:42 <StingRay_> "okay new question, how can I use regex (or something else) to extract a url from a string?"   erm… yes, use regex
Jun 09 11:16:43 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 11:16:53 <lasserix> Anhk: it has been shown chimpanzees with electrodes in regions 2, 4 and 9 of their brains, when set the right pulses, turns them into string url parsing machines
Jun 09 11:17:02 <lasserix> i think you can buy one off ebay
Jun 09 11:18:11 <StingRay_> Ankhwatcher: a similar question would be, how can I use a programming language to program an app?
Jun 09 11:18:14 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix: I thought that was what TaskRabbit was for
Jun 09 11:18:59 <StingRay_> finding regex strings online to do what you want is a bit easy
Jun 09 11:19:00 <lasserix> in fact: http://www.jesse-anderson.com/2011/08/a-few-more-million-amazonian-monkeys/
Jun 09 11:19:03 <StingRay_> and using matcher etc
Jun 09 11:19:06 <Ankhwatcher> So how about I take the string and split at " " then regex against resulting array looking for "http"?
Jun 09 11:19:09 <StingRay_> again, not hard to learn
Jun 09 11:20:15 <StingRay_> http://bit.ly/18iGqWm
Jun 09 11:21:30 <StingRay_> your question required you to type/ask more than typing the keywords into google
Jun 09 11:21:34 <StingRay_> I dont get it
Jun 09 11:21:36 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 11:24:29 <omid8bimo> all right i finally could use SimpleCursorAdapter to show my data from sqlite cursor returned the rows/column. however, when it trying to put them in the xml layout (4 TextViews and one ImageView), i get Out of memory on a 20155408-byte allocation
Jun 09 11:25:05 <Zta> I've made an Activity with an ActionBar and three Tabs.  I've styled the TabsViews, but the style applies all three tabs.  I want the left and right tab to have a width as narrow as the icon in them; or but differently: I want the center tab to be as wide as possible, so there's only just about room for the two adjacent tabs.  How do I style this?
Jun 09 11:25:31 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: you have a 20mb image ?
Jun 09 11:25:59 <omid8bimo> well no, the photo is only 2MB each
Jun 09 11:26:44 <StingRay_> and you maybe have 10 of them ?
Jun 09 11:26:46 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 11:27:00 <omid8bimo> but my list can have like 10 records/rows each with 4 textviews and on image uri which SimpleCursorAdapter maps to the image
Jun 09 11:27:28 <StingRay_> well you should look at efficiently loading an image
Jun 09 11:27:53 <StingRay_> cause loading a 2mb image into a screen area that would likely take up 100k or so of bitmap data, not a good idea
Jun 09 11:27:59 <omid8bimo> yeah i guessed so. how can resize them in my imageview? or a better work around maybe?
Jun 09 11:28:18 <StingRay_> read android docs
Jun 09 11:28:34 <StingRay_> there are many tutorials guides and some on the offical d.android.com site
Jun 09 11:28:37 <StingRay_> for doing such things
Jun 09 11:28:51 <omid8bimo> all right
Jun 09 11:30:44 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/load-bitmap.html
Jun 09 11:32:00 <omid8bimo> one question, since SimpleCursorAdapter is loading them automatically into my layout, should i define setViewValue so then i can resize the image?
Jun 09 11:32:38 <StingRay_> read that tutorial/guide 1st
Jun 09 11:32:47 <omid8bimo> ok :)
Jun 09 11:33:06 <StingRay_> then if you still want to ask the same question, go ah….. read that guide again
Jun 09 11:35:49 * omid8bimo :D
Jun 09 11:43:18 <bluesm> Does button provide the best responsibility ?
Jun 09 11:44:08 <bluesm> I mean, doest the "onClick" method executes the without any unnecessary "validation". Can I create with button very simple game ?
Jun 09 11:48:14 <StingRay_> look at the src if it bothers you that much
Jun 09 11:49:18 <Quacked> hey
Jun 09 11:50:40 <Quacked> I'm thinking of making a simple app that displays images, and every day there is a new one. What would be a good way to send a notification when new image is available?
Jun 09 11:51:08 <StingRay_> from where to where ?
Jun 09 11:51:24 <StingRay_> neways, answer is GCM or notification
Jun 09 11:51:27 <StingRay_> probably
Jun 09 11:51:33 <StingRay_> reguardless of what you mean :)
Jun 09 11:52:58 <Quacked> I mean how would I trigger that gcm?
Jun 09 11:53:11 <StingRay_> up to you
Jun 09 11:53:36 <Quacked> If I wanted a third party to trigger it. How would I do that?
Jun 09 11:53:49 <StingRay_> read about GCM
Jun 09 11:53:55 <StingRay_> then do it
Jun 09 11:53:57 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 11:54:12 <Quacked> :)
Jun 09 11:54:23 <Quacked> I guess.. thanks
Jun 09 12:15:08 <bluesm> What would be event on EditText that will trigger after user click enter, (the keyboard will slide down). Generally, the user stopped inserting.
Jun 09 12:15:39 <bluesm> Rather User intended to submit ?
Jun 09 12:18:47 <lasserix> Anyone do a game engine with opengl using a distinct logic thread? I have having some serious hang up with my time step
Jun 09 12:20:03 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: could you please guide me? this is my SimpleCursorAdapter -> http://paste.debian.net/9315/ i read the sdk doc but at the first step, i cant get a reference to my imageview and corresponding database column?
Jun 09 12:31:30 <omid8bimo> anyone can help me on this? this is my SimpleCursorAdapter -> http://paste.debian.net/9315/ i read the sdk doc but at the first step, i cant get a reference to my imageview and corresponding database column?
Jun 09 12:42:50 <kjeldahl> omid8bimo: Do the rest of the items get correctly filled in? And what exactly is img_loc (a URL to an image?)? If img_loc is a url or similar, I guess you need to hook it up to an image loader of some sorts.
Jun 09 12:42:56 <Ankhwatcher> what do you call the if statment that returns one of two variables? it usually looks a bit like: return val1 > val2 : a : b; ?
Jun 09 12:44:05 <kjeldahl> Ankhwatcher: The ? operator?
Jun 09 12:44:37 <kjeldahl> ternary operator possibly
Jun 09 12:44:47 <Ankhwatcher> kjeldahl: that's it! thanks
Jun 09 12:44:49 <omid8bimo> kjeldahl: yes img_loc is the Uri of photos on sdcard. textviews do get shown correctly
Jun 09 12:45:28 <kjeldahl> You need an image loader. Here's one https://github.com/nostra13/Android-Universal-Image-Loader, but I remember some other library being recommended. Wait...
Jun 09 12:47:52 <omid8bimo> kjeldahl: is there any simpler way? my current code works fine but since it load big photos, i get "Out of memory" error. but in order to reduce the size of photos/bitmaps, first i need to have them in SimpleCursorAdapter
Jun 09 12:55:14 <kjeldahl> I can't find the other library, but it was something "A....", but I can't recall. I use the one I posted the link for.
Jun 09 12:56:07 <kjeldahl> As for simpler ways, not that I know of. I doubt you can populate an image directly with a URL. And even if you could, it would create issues with doing to much on the GUI thread anyway (which is why the image loaders usually have their own threads for downloading).
Jun 09 12:57:26 <kjeldahl> Volley, that was the name. See https://developers.google.com/live/shows/474338138 .
Jun 09 12:58:50 <adq> Picassa is neat, too :)
Jun 09 12:58:54 <adq> err Picasso*
Jun 09 12:59:04 <adq> http://square.github.io/picasso/
Jun 09 12:59:13 <adq> you can populate an image directly with an url
Jun 09 13:00:08 <kjeldahl> adq: Thanks, did not know. I do know it sounds like a bad idea however. ;-)
Jun 09 13:03:54 <lasserix> from another thread (not the ui thread) how can i tell how long it took requestRenderer to complete?
Jun 09 13:12:54 <kjeldahl> Any pointers to a simple way to create a scrolling "About" dialog box? I need to refurbish the one I have.
Jun 09 13:13:56 <Zharf> custom dialog with a scrollview?
Jun 09 13:13:59 <Zharf> -.-
Jun 09 13:14:01 <kjeldahl> (not auto scrolling starwars style, but scrollable when content exceeds screen size)
Jun 09 13:14:09 <kjeldahl> Yeah, probably.
Jun 09 13:21:26 <flipture> Anyone have a segguestion or exampe for a method to check if data to populate an object is already in SQLite or not?
Jun 09 13:22:39 <timemage> flipture, other than to select for it?
Jun 09 13:22:39 <flipture> basically i'm creating objects of types and i add them to the DB and also cache them in an object list. my plan is so that i don't have to hit the DB every time, i check the object list first to see if its there, then check the db if its not.
Jun 09 13:22:54 <flipture> yeah i select for it and i find it thats fine
Jun 09 13:23:12 <flipture> im just thinking i don't wanna hit the db each time so try my obj list, then db
Jun 09 13:23:21 <flipture> but then if i hit the DB and its not there
Jun 09 13:23:26 <flipture> i won't have an object of that type to return
Jun 09 13:23:31 <flipture> follow?
Jun 09 13:23:53 <flipture> so is there a "right" way to handle that? like maybe write a checker method to check first? or is there a better way?
Jun 09 13:24:00 <timemage> flipture, you can keep a set of primary keys.  if you have a lot of objects and want a small structure to give you a performance boost look into "bloom filters".
Jun 09 13:24:01 <flipture> checker method could return a bool, but that would be 2 db hits
Jun 09 13:24:12 <flipture> ok cool, thanks!!
Jun 09 13:24:16 <flipture> i'll go read up
Jun 09 13:24:39 <flipture> i shouldn't have a TON of objects, but i still would like to write it as efficently as possible
Jun 09 13:24:51 <flipture> in case it grows down the road, and so that I learn good practices from the start.
Jun 09 13:25:12 <flipture> its basically a list app with items on a list and categorys. categories have types, so thats the basic 3 object types
Jun 09 13:25:44 <flipture> might possibly get up to 100 list items, maybe 10-20 caegories, and 6 or so list types
Jun 09 13:25:52 <flipture> so i don't think thats a lot of objects, would you agree?
Jun 09 13:25:59 <flipture> (i'm new to the android world)
Jun 09 13:26:56 <timemage> flipture, doesn't seem like a lot to me.  something like a filter i mentioned above would be overkill for that.  in fact, it may end up introducing enough overhead to kill your performance.
Jun 09 13:27:30 <timemage> flipture, you can just worry about how the api is done to the point where you can make a change like that in the future if needed.
Jun 09 13:27:47 <bluesm> StingRay_:  You mean to look at the source of button class ?
Jun 09 13:29:49 <Unknown0BC> Hi, I am just playing around with Android dev on eclipse, as an experienced programmer I was hoping that if I click the onClick attribute i'd go to the place in code where the handler is and put in the code, but no. So do I have to put in a lot of code and where does it go ?
Jun 09 13:30:00 <flipture> timemage: hah cool. good to know. I'll still read up just so i know whats out there... Right now i only pull things from the db as needed but the things that I do pull are cached in object lists whcih are checked each time i need something again so that should be pretty efficent
Jun 09 13:30:36 <Unknown0BC> For a button
Jun 09 13:31:00 <flipture> timemage: and yeah, thats the big reason i want to know, more so that i can plan ahead with how i structure this. I have a databasehandler, and a list manager. the list manager is the first layer that handles all of the objects and requests for them and caches them. then if the list manager doesn't have an object, or needs to create a new one, it hits the dbhandler
Jun 09 13:31:37 <flipture> I might have a few semi redundant methods that i could trim down later but thats mostly preference i think
Jun 09 13:32:11 <flipture> for instance, i have a method to update an object, and one to add. Is there any general concensus on making those into one and having it add the item if it doesn't exist? or just keep them separate?
Jun 09 13:32:56 <flipture> the latter might help keep the size of the app down a tiny bit but probably not enough to squawk over.
Jun 09 13:34:05 <Mavrik> Unknown0BC, button.setOnClickListener(…) ?
Jun 09 13:34:27 <bluesm> Can I download keystore from the google play console ?
Jun 09 13:36:00 <timemage> flipture, i don't know enough about what you're doing to say.    if you're talking about data that has to be unique i'd be wondering about how you have your schema set up with respect to primary keys and such.
Jun 09 13:38:06 <flipture> timemage: well everything has a unique id. a list item has a unique id, name, description, category and type. then there are category objects and type objects. Category coudl be like "Home" or "Work". Types could be like "Grocery List" or "ToDo List"
Jun 09 13:39:27 <flipture> timemage: so user can add list items, types and categories so pretty much everything has to be unique, and items belong to 1 or more categories so i have to be able to filter or query by a category id... then sometimes i have to pull the category type which is retrieved by its ID
Jun 09 13:39:32 <flipture> that help?
Jun 09 13:39:56 <timemage> flipture, as far as the database is concerned the whole object is being updated or just a field at a time?
Jun 09 13:40:20 <flipture> I try to only use the unique ID's to retrieve or reference everything, then cache it and get it that way once its cached in an arraylist
Jun 09 13:40:45 <flipture> timemage: mmm, i think i'm udating all fields (only about 4) when i update an object currently...
Jun 09 13:41:03 <flipture> becuase i have only one update item method
Jun 09 13:41:16 <flipture> i guess i coudl dynamically build a query depending on what needs to be updated
Jun 09 13:41:21 <flipture> is that what you mean?
Jun 09 13:41:50 <timemage> flipture, just trying to understand.  it kind of sounds like you're trying to overengineer this thing. =)
Jun 09 13:42:05 <flipture> (i know its silly to worry about performance at this point but its more for learning what is more costly and how to do it right the firs ttime thank making this app fast :)
Jun 09 13:42:11 <flipture> timemage: i most certainly am! :)
Jun 09 13:42:29 <flipture> I am an engineer afterall...
Jun 09 13:43:54 <flipture> i may not necessarily change my app since its so small, but i guess i'm asking if it were a giant bulky app, what would some of the options be to make it efficent...
Jun 09 13:45:13 <bluesm> Can I get from my APK keystone ?
Jun 09 13:47:45 <timemage> flipture, you mentioned "add the item if it doesn't exist".      i'm sort of confused by that.  you want it to have the semantics of a set?   i mean, what determines uniqueness for your records?
Jun 09 13:47:49 <bluesm> If I exported signed app, where keystone file was saved ?
Jun 09 13:48:17 <bluesm> *keystore
Jun 09 13:48:50 <flipture> timemage: well I have an activity that allows you to edit a category or add one. its the same view and activity. You get sent there from a list of categories with the option to add  a new one
Jun 09 13:49:10 <flipture> timemage: if you click add new, it sends you to the same view to fill out the fields, if you edit, it prepopulates the fields.
Jun 09 13:49:52 <flipture> timemage: then when you submit, currently it checks to see if we have an ID, if we don't, that means that we're creating a new one. if we know the id, that means that the ID was passed from an existing object which we already retreieved from the DB.
Jun 09 13:50:13 <flipture> so depending on if i have an ID or not, i call addNewCategory or updateCategory. follow?
Jun 09 13:50:38 <flipture> So uniquness is determined by the ID.
Jun 09 13:50:54 <timemage> flipture, i don't.  more than i needed to know, i think.   let me put differently:  you have a category table that's just an ID and a Name or  what?
Jun 09 13:50:56 <flipture> becuase we can't alwasy assume two categories wont havfe the same name.
Jun 09 13:51:12 <flipture> the tables is id, name, description, type
Jun 09 13:51:22 <flipture> so ID(int), string, string, string
Jun 09 13:54:01 <lasserix> from another thread (not the ui thread) how can i tell how long it took requestRenderer to complete?
Jun 09 13:54:45 <timemage> flipture, :), that description would make more sense to me if i already had the whole structure loaded into my head.
Jun 09 13:55:47 <flipture> timemage: hah i guess i'm not explaining well, sorry! :)
Jun 09 13:56:11 <flipture> timemage: you need to understand the db structure?
Jun 09 13:57:20 <flipture> timemage: i have 4 main tables. list_items, categories, category_types, and settings
Jun 09 13:59:00 <omid8bimo> anyone any ideas on this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17009734/address-imageview-in-simplecursoradapter-to-show-an-image
Jun 09 13:59:35 <timemage> flipture, that or i'm being particularly thick today.  rather than trying to understand it, i'd just leave you with this:  if uniqueness is more determinable than by just your primary key, you can enforce some of that in the sql engine itself rather than trying to do it in your code.   e.g., you can place a unique constraint on the category name.  if the category name is fairly short, it may just make sense to make that you
Jun 09 13:59:35 <timemage> r primary key and not have an artificial one like an auto-incrementing int.   depending on the structure of your data, you may also be able to use some sqlite features that do things like "update if already extant, add if not".
Jun 09 14:00:24 <flipture> oh cool, that helps a lot
Jun 09 14:00:54 <timemage> flipture, i was going to try to get to specifics.  but i'll let you sort it out rather than make you suffer through explaining everything to me.
Jun 09 14:01:03 <flipture> I was originally using the category name to find it, like you suggest (although i had nothing to enforce uniqueness)
Jun 09 14:01:18 <flipture> timemage: no worries, i really appreciate you takign time to help!!
Jun 09 14:01:53 <flipture> And thats exactly what i'm looking for, ideas and possibilities, not answers on exactly how i shoudl do something, so thats perfect :)
Jun 09 14:02:44 <flipture> SO i went from using the category name, to the ID because i figured passing around an int, or storing an int in the DB (for saving category of an item) would be less expensive
Jun 09 14:03:05 <flipture> but then i'm realizing i'll have to make another DB call to get the name for that category from the ID anywho
Jun 09 14:03:36 <flipture> So you may have a point that making the category name unique and using that may be less expensive.
Jun 09 14:04:15 <flipture> that way i could query items on category, and simply use that name to disply instead of having to go hit the DB again to find the name of that particular cateogry from the ID that i have
Jun 09 14:04:17 <timemage> flipture, there are people to advocate not using auto incrementing keys at all.  (i'm not one of them though).  but for something like that it may make sense.
Jun 09 14:04:26 <Zta> I've found a way to customize my Tabs in the ActionBar by creating a layout file with a LinearLayout and an ImageView where I set the background to e.g. Red and set the layout_width and _height to "wrap_content".  And I do get a Tab with a small icon with a red background the size of the icon.  But the whole Tab itself is still too wide; My customized Tabs fill up the space like any other tab does.
Jun 09 14:04:28 <Zta> How do I prevent this?
Jun 09 14:04:49 <timemage> flipture, yeah.  you may have to canonicalize the name to make an effective key out of it though.
Jun 09 14:05:12 <flipture> timemage: true.
Jun 09 14:07:25 <flipture> timemage: I think things are OK where i'm at right now but now i know what to think about going forward. i really appreciate your thoughts... I plan on hanging out in here and soaking up as much as I can and hope to share any knowledge or help with others...
Jun 09 14:14:35 <EuroTrash> flipture: all I can say about this... is that these are sql 101 problems, and the fact that you're working with Android doesn't change that. My advice: follow common database normalization patterns and only start to think about denormalization when you actually hit performance issues.
Jun 09 14:15:21 <EuroTrash> Using ids and autoincrementing them is generally a good idea and the performance hit will be absolutely negligable, even on Android.
Jun 09 14:16:37 <EuroTrash> These little machines have processing power similar to web servers from 10-15 years ago running full-fledged mysql+php
Jun 09 14:16:59 <flipture> EuroTrash: Definitely. I'm not new to sql, but Android is a different beast and i'm trying not to make any assumptions. That sounds like a great plan...
Jun 09 14:17:16 <bluesm> If I exported the signed apk.
Jun 09 14:17:18 <bluesm> Where I can find
Jun 09 14:17:23 <bluesm> keystore file ?
Jun 09 14:18:00 <StingRay_> bluesm: depends on the OS
Jun 09 14:18:15 <StingRay_> and thats a google search if ever I seen one :)
Jun 09 14:18:20 <bluesm> Then, it was windows.
Jun 09 14:18:24 <flipture> I'm new to Java (more than just hacking) within the last month or two and new to android dev within the past few weeks so I'll come up to speed quick...
Jun 09 14:18:54 <bluesm> StingRay_: The first exported apk , that I uploaded to google play was from eclipse on Windows 8.
Jun 09 14:19:14 <StingRay_> bluesm: irrelevant
Jun 09 14:19:21 <flipture> I've got the O'Reilly android book sitting on the shelf and will be running through it front to back shortly which will help.
Jun 09 14:19:28 <bluesm> I looked for the "*keystone"
Jun 09 14:19:33 <EuroTrash> bluesm: you mean you've list the actual keystore?
Jun 09 14:19:41 <bluesm> But I found only ./Users/pawel/.android/debug.keystore
Jun 09 14:20:09 <StingRay_> well have you ever done a release build ?
Jun 09 14:20:11 <bluesm> EuroTrash: I just exported the apk and filled the form for signing.
Jun 09 14:20:48 <bluesm> StingRay_: I thought that exporting apk makes release build
Jun 09 14:21:28 <EuroTrash> bluesm: when you did that, you created a new keystore, but if you did that on your Win 8  machine, it will still be there (or gone forever if you didn't copy it somewhere).
Jun 09 14:21:47 <lasserix> from another thread (not the ui thread) how can i tell how long it took requestRenderer to complete?
Jun 09 14:22:34 <EuroTrash> The keystore is a physical file that you have to keep track of, it is not stored inside an apk.
Jun 09 14:23:35 <EuroTrash> flipture: that'll get you going, also don't be hesitant to study common "regular java" patterns, in my opinion people try to optimize for mobile prematurely a lot, I vastly prefer good code structure to those optimizations.
Jun 09 14:23:41 <bluesm> EuroTrash: Is there a way to recover it ?
Jun 09 14:23:55 <StingRay_> bluesm: no
Jun 09 14:23:56 <bluesm> EuroTrash:  I mean reset everything in google play..
Jun 09 14:24:27 <EuroTrash> bluesm: losing your keystore means you can't upgrade your package, but you can rename the package and release it as a different one.
Jun 09 14:24:48 <EuroTrash> But your current package name is pretty much lost if your keystore file is lost.
Jun 09 14:25:10 <bluesm> EuroTrash:  Why packacge name is lost ?
Jun 09 14:25:27 <EuroTrash> bluesm: because that's what identifies the package (and is what gets signed).
Jun 09 14:25:28 <flipture> EuroTrash: Definitly. Some of my questions are regarding "regular java" but i generally google those types first. I only ask when it's not clear if the difference on mobile might be worth knowing.
Jun 09 14:25:47 <G10h4ck> Hi guys!
Jun 09 14:26:09 <G10h4ck> someone can point some updated and good documentation about authenticator and sync providers ?
Jun 09 14:26:12 <EuroTrash> flipture: there's obviously some stuff you don't want to do on mobile... but a phone can easily handle thousands of db records, you'd be surprised :)
Jun 09 14:26:17 <bluesm>  EuroTrash:  But really eclipse didn't create that file somewhere?
Jun 09 14:26:32 <EuroTrash> bluesm: it did... on your Windows 8 machine.
Jun 09 14:26:36 <EuroTrash> What happened to that?
Jun 09 14:26:45 <bluesm> EuroTrash: But where ?
Jun 09 14:26:45 <flipture> EuroTrash: And yes, I love good code structure, which is why I ask way ahead of time a lot of times lol.
Jun 09 14:26:48 <Zta> Is using the TabHost the correct way of customizing Tabs in Android 4?
Jun 09 14:27:00 <bluesm> EuroTrash: I just exported, apk, and I didn't found *.keystone file.
Jun 09 14:27:00 <EuroTrash> bluesm: wherever you told it to put it... you did it in the export process.
Jun 09 14:27:09 <EuroTrash> Did you export with the debug key?
Jun 09 14:27:16 <EuroTrash> It won't upload to Play that way.
Jun 09 14:27:19 <adq> anyone with technical details on "Game Services" anti-piracy feature? (it looks like LVL from the description but i cannot find any technical details)
Jun 09 14:27:28 <flipture> EuroTrash: Yeah, i'm fairly impressed! WHich is exciting... I will probably do some bench tests here shortly to compare a few different situations. Could be interesting
Jun 09 14:28:27 <bluesm>  EuroTrash: Right.
Jun 09 14:28:42 <bluesm>  EuroTrash:I do the "shit" don't understanding what I was doing.
Jun 09 14:29:09 <EuroTrash> bluesm: I'm confused about what the problem is... are you trying to export a new application or trying to export an upgrade for an exsting one?
Jun 09 14:29:19 <bluesm>  EuroTrash: But probably i found it. In this moment, just i didn't put the name with "keystore" extension
Jun 09 14:29:27 <EuroTrash> bluesm: that's quite possible
Jun 09 14:29:41 <bluesm> EuroTrash: Upgrade. in google play.
Jun 09 14:29:44 <StingRay_> bluesm: glad you started calling it "keystore"
Jun 09 14:30:21 <bluesm> :)
Jun 09 14:30:33 <bluesm> I just "misread" that :P
Jun 09 14:31:06 <omid8bimo> how can i get the a photo Uri from a column in sqlite database and show it in an imageview when i'm reducing its size via BitmapFactory? here is my code, and still i get out of memory error -> http://paste.debian.net/9337/
Jun 09 14:31:47 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: single questions :)
Jun 09 14:32:54 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: what do you mean? :)
Jun 09 14:33:20 <StingRay_> well is your question, how do I get a uri from a column ?
Jun 09 14:33:38 <StingRay_> cause would than not need to be a full path to content provider ?
Jun 09 14:34:01 <StingRay_> if this is your db, why not store the uri in there
Jun 09 14:34:16 <StingRay_> if not then you would just request it with content provider path
Jun 09 14:34:37 <bluesm> StingRay_:  EuroTrash: What should I read to understand "meaning" of certificates, and singing apps ?
Jun 09 14:35:19 <omid8bimo> i dont wanna use content providers for now since im not familiar with them. photo's are saved in sdcard and their uri in database. just need to make it small via bitmapfactory and then display it in my imageview. (this process is happening inside my SimpleCursorAdapter)
Jun 09 14:35:32 <StingRay_> erm, identification auth and erm…. unique marking ?
Jun 09 14:35:37 <StingRay_> does that help bluesm ?
Jun 09 14:35:41 <EuroTrash> bluesm: as far as I know, Android simply implements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystore
Jun 09 14:35:44 <StingRay_> you mean you dont understand the works ?
Jun 09 14:35:54 <StingRay_> word*
Jun 09 14:35:57 <StingRay_> s*
Jun 09 14:36:01 * StingRay_ cant type
Jun 09 14:36:41 <bluesm> EuroTrash:  Thank you very much :) I found it :)
Jun 09 14:36:51 <bluesm> StingRay_: Yes, thank you very much :)
Jun 09 14:37:00 <bluesm> StingRay_: I just found this file :)
Jun 09 14:37:00 <EuroTrash> Ahh good
Jun 09 14:37:01 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: well if it's on the sdcard and you store the path, not sure what you question is
Jun 09 14:37:24 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: yeah i stored the path in database column "img_loc"
Jun 09 14:37:54 <StingRay_> well you get it with a cursor
Jun 09 14:38:53 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: i have the cursor returing all of them. but when i use the SimpleCursorAdapter as i pasted here http://paste.debian.net/9337/, i get out of memory error.
Jun 09 14:39:11 <StingRay_> what has that got to do with getting a string from a database ?
Jun 09 14:39:23 <omid8bimo> so according to documents, i should use BitmapFactory to reduce its size.
Jun 09 14:39:37 <StingRay_> so your question of "how can i get the a photo Uri from a column in sqlite database" is irrelevant
Jun 09 14:39:45 <StingRay_> cause it's not the problem and you know it already ?
Jun 09 14:39:48 <bluesm> Can I publish beta version of my app ?
Jun 09 14:40:24 <StingRay_> bluesm: up to you
Jun 09 14:40:47 <bluesm> StingRay_:  I mean alongside with normal app ?
Jun 09 14:40:52 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 09 14:40:53 <bluesm> StingRay_: Such as Opera does.
Jun 09 14:41:00 <StingRay_> no
Jun 09 14:41:05 <bluesm> StingRay_: But as an standalone app ?
Jun 09 14:41:09 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 09 14:41:10 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: well problem is here, if i use the code i shown you, it works but i get out of memory error. so then if i need to use BitmapFactory to reduce the size, in here i dont know how to get the path of images from db and reduce their size via bitmapfactory before putting them in imageview?
Jun 09 14:42:01 <StingRay_> bluesm: if you want 2 apps side by side, different package names
Jun 09 14:42:05 <StingRay_> call one beta
Jun 09 14:42:07 <StingRay_> OR
Jun 09 14:42:33 <StingRay_> use the g+ beta alpha thing
Jun 09 14:42:44 <StingRay_> where you have beta testers in a google+ group
Jun 09 14:43:02 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: maybe your loading too much pointless data ?
Jun 09 14:43:58 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: well, its just 5 columns. 4 texts to put in textviews and 1 photo path which i want to load into an imageview
Jun 09 14:44:10 <StingRay_> yes fine
Jun 09 14:44:18 <StingRay_> but did you read that link ?
Jun 09 14:44:44 <StingRay_> on android.com
Jun 09 14:44:52 <StingRay_> efficient loading of bitmaps
Jun 09 14:45:30 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: yes, several times. and i did what it said. as you can see here http://paste.debian.net/9337/ - but still images are loaded fully so i reach out of memory error
Jun 09 14:45:47 <omid8bimo> or if i'm doing it wrong in my code, please tell me
Jun 09 14:46:24 <StingRay_> well I think you may have only read the 1st 6 lines
Jun 09 14:46:30 <StingRay_> and missed the remaining 200 or so
Jun 09 14:48:44 <StingRay_> so yes, I doubt your quick copy/paste does what that page intends
Jun 09 14:49:16 <omid8bimo> that page only talks about the bitmap reducing. but first i need to know how to show the photo from its path that i get in my cursor into imageview
Jun 09 14:49:37 <StingRay_> you load it into a bitmap
Jun 09 14:49:44 <StingRay_> and set it on the imageView
Jun 09 14:50:03 <StingRay_> cursor.getString(columid)
Jun 09 14:50:14 <StingRay_> bitmapF*.load(myPath)
Jun 09 14:50:18 <rved> question, if I use a seek bar, with "      public void onStopTrackingTouch(SeekBar bar) {" and have a toast inside that… the toast pop's up every time, even though i still have my seek bar pressed, why?
Jun 09 14:50:21 <StingRay_> etc
Jun 09 14:50:44 <omid8bimo> and all this is happening inside setViewValue?
Jun 09 14:50:47 <rved> it looks like       public void onStopTrackingTouch .. stops at every step change
Jun 09 14:51:01 <rved> even though you still have the seek bar pressed
Jun 09 14:51:29 <kakazza> Try without the Toast and use Log.d()
Jun 09 14:51:36 <kakazza> It might be that you're seeing old Toasts.
Jun 09 14:51:40 <kakazza> Toasts are not for debugging.
Jun 09 14:51:43 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: I have no idea what setViewValue method your on about
Jun 09 14:52:21 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: its SimpleCursorAdapter's default method for setViewBinder
Jun 09 14:52:37 <StingRay_> then yes
Jun 09 14:52:52 <StingRay_> I never use SimpleCursor's
Jun 09 14:53:05 <StingRay_> always just cursorAdapter or baseAdapter
Jun 09 14:53:17 <StingRay_> so if it is like getVIew/bindView then yes
Jun 09 14:53:22 <StingRay_> all happens inside
Jun 09 14:54:14 <rved> kakazza: it's not for debugging, i just want to show the user the current seek bar level after you have released it
Jun 09 14:54:32 <StingRay_> rved: not really for that either
Jun 09 14:54:40 <rved> why not?
Jun 09 14:54:51 <rved> in precentage
Jun 09 14:54:58 <StingRay_> cause of the timing/queing
Jun 09 14:55:01 <rved> why not?
Jun 09 14:55:04 <rved> :O
Jun 09 14:55:09 <rved> so what is the best way?
Jun 09 14:55:23 <StingRay_> erm, textView that you update ?
Jun 09 14:56:31 <rved> hmm, so when use toast, like save messages?
Jun 09 14:56:44 <rved> or messages that don't have to be precise with timing?
Jun 09 14:57:02 <StingRay_> well anything that would/could not be repeated quickly
Jun 09 14:57:41 <StingRay_> also from a design POV, quite pointless 99% of the time
Jun 09 14:57:52 <StingRay_> and very not suited to value updates like you would want
Jun 09 14:58:01 <StingRay_> just cause of the position
Jun 09 14:58:03 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 14:58:09 <StingRay_> and then the time/que
Jun 09 14:58:15 <rved> ok  ty
Jun 09 15:01:53 <CocoStorm> hey guys, so I applied to work for shazam and they gave us a pre-interview test to make a small app.. I did it and failed. Apparantly I have a 'junior level understanding' and my code is 'quite messy in the construction'. But they didn't give any more specific feedback so I was wondering whether someone could take a look and tell me how exactly my code is messy
Jun 09 15:01:56 <CocoStorm> and poor..
Jun 09 15:02:07 <CocoStorm> #offendedOutOf10
Jun 09 15:04:50 <CocoStorm> anyone
Jun 09 15:04:55 <CocoStorm> StingRay_? :D
Jun 09 15:04:57 <StingRay_> well was it ?
Jun 09 15:05:01 <StingRay_> messy ?
Jun 09 15:05:16 <StingRay_> well I will look if you want
Jun 09 15:05:32 <CocoStorm> the app is fine the code is as well, imo spectacular ;)
Jun 09 15:05:45 <StingRay_> then I have got to see it now
Jun 09 15:05:47 <StingRay_> pastebin
Jun 09 15:05:48 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 15:08:28 <timemage> CocoStorm, did you ask them for specifics?
Jun 09 15:12:33 <kakazza> CocoStorm: Don't pastebin. Either host on github or do a Gist with multiple files.
Jun 09 15:12:44 <kakazza> How much time did you have?
Jun 09 15:13:17 <CocoStorm> kakazza, 2 days
Jun 09 15:14:02 <kakazza> Maybe JakeWharton will take a look. If you get a "<JakeWharton> meh" I'd totally put that in my resume. "meh" from Jake is like "holy shit, amazing!" from others ;p
Jun 09 15:14:25 <CocoStorm> kakazza, haha :P
Jun 09 15:14:29 <kakazza> References: "Jake Wharton 'meh'd my App"
Jun 09 15:16:06 * Zharf thinks of his meh as about the same
Jun 09 15:16:14 <CocoStorm> i've queried you guys the thing
Jun 09 15:17:38 * StingRay_ thinks visual states in android should be more complex
Jun 09 15:17:43 <StingRay_> specially with text
Jun 09 15:17:53 <StingRay_> unless it is, and I'm missing it
Jun 09 15:18:26 <Zharf> how do you mean
Jun 09 15:18:31 <StingRay_> I want a typefaceStateList
Jun 09 15:21:39 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: one issue here, could this be due to the way im implementing this? i mean trying to reduce the photos sise in the same activity at the time when i want to show them after resize in imageview?
Jun 09 15:22:26 <StingRay_> omid8bimo: change the sample size to 32
Jun 09 15:22:33 <StingRay_> do they load ?
Jun 09 15:22:51 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: sample 4 or 8
Jun 09 15:22:55 <StingRay_> if yes…go back read the docs on properly working out the IN-Size
Jun 09 15:23:02 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: is 32 lower and better?
Jun 09 15:23:17 <StingRay_> it's binning
Jun 09 15:23:30 <StingRay_> so binning 0 is not binning anything
Jun 09 15:23:42 <StingRay_> 2 is binning every other
Jun 09 15:23:48 <StingRay_> 4 is quater
Jun 09 15:23:50 <StingRay_> etc
Jun 09 15:23:59 <rved> I'm using a seek bar, and setting Max by using the max stream volume. now i want to add more steps, so i an int stepSize to turn it into percentage and later divide so it goes back to the the real value. Is this correct approach? http://paste2.org/exE08LZg
Jun 09 15:24:24 <StingRay_> your 2mb images at 4 is still loading 500k per image into an area that would at a guess need about 20kb
Jun 09 15:24:29 <StingRay_> I'm just guessing
Jun 09 15:25:19 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: hom. i guess i should use a higher number then
Jun 09 15:25:36 <StingRay_> i guess your shouldn't be guessing
Jun 09 15:25:46 <StingRay_> but rather using basic math to work it out
Jun 09 15:25:51 <StingRay_> like on that page I linked
Jun 09 15:25:53 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 15:26:50 <omid8bimo> StingRay_: all right. let me try that. also, does this loading is done when i try setImageBitmap or it has a specific method?
Jun 09 15:27:29 <StingRay_> loading into memory is when bitmapFactory "loads" it
Jun 09 15:27:58 <StingRay_> loading into some visual/display buffer is when the imageView is active
Jun 09 15:28:08 <StingRay_> again just guessing based of common sense
Jun 09 15:28:11 <StingRay_> could be wrong
Jun 09 15:28:13 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 15:28:49 <StingRay_> you can check the source code if you really want to know
Jun 09 15:30:30 <razzledazzle> how to get through this learning curve?
Jun 09 15:31:04 <razzledazzle> okay, I got this NavigationDrawer example
Jun 09 15:31:11 <razzledazzle> and there are a bunch of codes
Jun 09 15:31:17 <razzledazzle> I think I know how things work
Jun 09 15:31:22 <razzledazzle> but there are so much there
Jun 09 15:31:30 <razzledazzle> do I like copy-paste or something?
Jun 09 15:31:35 <razzledazzle> how do I get it down?
Jun 09 15:31:39 <StingRay_> learn
Jun 09 15:31:57 <StingRay_> copy/paste without knowing or learning as much as possible is asking for trouble
Jun 09 15:31:58 <StingRay_> imho
Jun 09 15:31:59 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 15:32:09 <razzledazzle> I wanna avoid that
Jun 09 15:32:18 <StingRay_> then your already in trouble
Jun 09 15:32:19 <razzledazzle> yes but learning requires some memorizations too
Jun 09 15:32:23 <razzledazzle> its impossible
Jun 09 15:32:34 <StingRay_> nothing is impossible
Jun 09 15:32:35 <SimonVT> Stop whining and start coding
Jun 09 15:32:36 <razzledazzle> no I mean, I don't wanna copy-paste
Jun 09 15:32:44 <razzledazzle> lol
Jun 09 15:32:45 <StingRay_> based on factors there is always a probablity
Jun 09 15:33:18 <razzledazzle> what do I do? see the code and type it line-by-line?
Jun 09 15:34:01 <StingRay_> erm
Jun 09 15:34:03 <razzledazzle> I think I understand the general structure, but to be complete, I have to implement it..
Jun 09 15:34:42 <bluesm> StingRay_:  Thank you very very much for your time :)
Jun 09 15:37:18 <razzledazzle> lol I don't think I can stacktrace this problem of mine
Jun 09 16:06:20 <blackbear008> hello
Jun 09 16:09:23 <jug6ernaut> any one know a good resource for the do's and don'ts for creating a rest/json api
Jun 09 16:12:55 <Ge0rG> ~
Jun 09 16:20:22 <Bear10> i have an expandable view list, and i want to make it filterable (i have a preferences screen where you can check / uncheck certain categories) then when you go back to the view list it should reload / refresh the data. my question is, do i apply a filter of some sort or do i just repopulate the hashmaps / data checking against if statements
Jun 09 16:53:59 <guille> hi there
Jun 09 16:55:20 <guille> I just started with Android and the layout system, given three columns which layout manager should I use?
Jun 09 16:55:30 <guille> in the horizontal orientation
Jun 09 16:56:16 <guille> I supposed it was a LinearLayout, but the children doesn't take each one part but the first one takes all the width
Jun 09 16:56:27 <guille> *don't
Jun 09 16:57:28 <Mavrik> hmm
Jun 09 16:57:40 <Mavrik> guille, use LinearLayout and use layout_weight
Jun 09 16:57:57 <Mavrik> if you set layout_weight to "1" for all children, you'll get 3 equal columns
Jun 09 16:59:43 <guille> that's interesting, thank you very much
Jun 09 17:11:33 <pfifo> Can I access the telephone's RF transceiver? I didnt see any examples of such in the examples.
Jun 09 17:13:18 <guille> xml layouts aren't of much use beyond simple cases or am I wrong?
Jun 09 17:14:18 <jmgrosen> …? i use xml layouts for complex layouts
Jun 09 17:16:02 <guille> yep, I come from Swing land so maybe I'm a bit biased as I've been dissapointed by Matisse. I'll give it a spin then
Jun 09 17:22:28 <StingRay_> guille: simple use cases ?
Jun 09 17:23:23 <StingRay_> they are fine for almost anything
Jun 09 17:23:40 <StingRay_> anything/everything common
Jun 09 17:23:58 <minioim> relative layout is the most powerfull layout but hardest to use.
Jun 09 17:24:02 <Mavrik> pfifo, no, It's completely isolated and runs its own operating system
Jun 09 17:24:26 <Mavrik> guille, pretty much all user interfaces on Android are built in XML
Jun 09 17:24:35 <pfifo> Mavrik, thanks
Jun 09 17:24:37 <minioim> but maybe tell us what you plan to do
Jun 09 17:24:46 <gulli> Is there any difference (or benefit) of adding a google map to an application with a MapFragment instance instead of a <fragment> ti the style xml?
Jun 09 17:24:49 <Mavrik> pfifo, usually it's refered to as "baseband" :)
Jun 09 17:25:29 <StingRay_> gulli: yes, you cant interact with them much, as in fragmentManager
Jun 09 17:25:34 <StingRay_> when baked in xml
Jun 09 17:25:44 <StingRay_> so not a good way to use fragments
Jun 09 17:26:06 <gulli> ahh so you mean its better to make a map object inthe java code itself?
Jun 09 17:26:27 <gulli> great thanks :)
Jun 09 17:26:29 <StingRay_> I mean to say, if you intend a particular fragment to be swappable
Jun 09 17:26:32 <StingRay_> changable
Jun 09 17:26:34 <StingRay_> etc
Jun 09 17:26:42 <gulli> alrighty
Jun 09 17:27:01 <StingRay_> and no, all views in xml are quite simple and imho, quite powerful too
Jun 09 17:27:11 <StingRay_> there is little that I have wanted that could not be done
Jun 09 17:27:20 <StingRay_> and I'm more a designer/artist than programmer
Jun 09 17:27:27 <StingRay_> so I expect lots :)
Jun 09 17:27:32 <StingRay_> and want even more
Jun 09 17:28:30 <minioim> yes StingRay_, I meant: with relativelayout you can build you're interface with more liberty than with linear or table layout for example. but change anything and... it's chaos ^
Jun 09 17:28:45 <StingRay_> no and no
Jun 09 17:29:22 <StingRay_> but it depends on your opinion really
Jun 09 17:29:30 <StingRay_> but in my opinion. no and no :)
Jun 09 17:30:27 <minioim> so, in your opinion, whatever you want, you can do it with a linear layout or a table layout?
Jun 09 17:30:45 <StingRay_> is that what I said ?
Jun 09 17:30:52 * StingRay_ read upwards
Jun 09 17:31:00 <StingRay_> oh thank fk
Jun 09 17:31:09 <StingRay_> didn't say anything like that,
Jun 09 17:31:13 <StingRay_> you had me going then
Jun 09 17:31:19 <StingRay_> thought I was going a bit mental
Jun 09 17:31:21 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 17:32:05 <StingRay_> "you can build you're interface with more liberty " no, not really, depends on many factors/requirements
Jun 09 17:32:30 <StingRay_> " but change anything and... it's chaos " not at all, strongly disagree
Jun 09 17:32:35 <Mavrik> I don't get it, why would you have to choose :)
Jun 09 17:32:49 <Mavrik> use RelativeLayout when the usecase demands it, use LinearLayout when it's better and faster
Jun 09 17:33:01 <StingRay_> Mavrik: exactly
Jun 09 17:33:15 <minioim> ok, you didn't understand me and I didn't understand you ^
Jun 09 17:33:30 <minioim> yes, that's it Mavrik
Jun 09 17:33:40 <StingRay_> minioim: you said relative layouts are chaos
Jun 09 17:33:46 <StingRay_> if you change x
Jun 09 17:33:53 <StingRay_> I say you should design your UI better
Jun 09 17:33:54 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 17:34:46 <StingRay_> you said linear layouts are not capable, I haven't seen many UI's that could not all  be done with simple linear layouts
Jun 09 17:34:56 <minioim> nono, I meant: if something has to be add, for example,  in your UI, you will have to change a lot to keep all at the same place
Jun 09 17:35:09 <minioim> oh no I didn't say that about linear layouts
Jun 09 17:35:09 <StingRay_> what ?
Jun 09 17:35:21 <StingRay_> you add something to a realtive layout ?
Jun 09 17:35:30 <StingRay_> and it changes everything ?
Jun 09 17:35:36 <minioim> ok let me explain with my poor english  ;)
Jun 09 17:35:37 <StingRay_> oh…hang on
Jun 09 17:35:43 <StingRay_> I think I get you
Jun 09 17:35:45 <StingRay_> IF
Jun 09 17:35:47 <minioim> oh? ^
Jun 09 17:36:10 <StingRay_> you design on the fly, changing what "design" you aiming for, while using relativeLayouts, yeah thats bad
Jun 09 17:36:17 <StingRay_> but that a workflow error
Jun 09 17:36:20 <minioim> yeah that's it :)
Jun 09 17:36:22 <StingRay_> not an implementation one!!
Jun 09 17:36:24 <StingRay_> ;)
Jun 09 17:36:41 <StingRay_> design "on paper", "in a deginer application"
Jun 09 17:36:49 <StingRay_> not using the UI layout editor
Jun 09 17:36:51 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 17:37:34 <StingRay_> actually there is a free multiplatform layout tool that you can "design" layouts in
Jun 09 17:37:43 <StingRay_> "pencil project "
Jun 09 17:37:45 <minioim> yes it is... that's true. unfortunately that's my daily problem.. (I'm doing an internship in a lab, we are working on a research project which can change every day so...$
Jun 09 17:37:50 <StingRay_> if your doing complex layouts
Jun 09 17:37:58 <StingRay_> do it in that app to finish the design
Jun 09 17:38:04 <StingRay_> them implement in layout editor
Jun 09 17:38:11 <zinx> yeah
Jun 09 17:38:12 <StingRay_> so your not swapping relationshops
Jun 09 17:38:19 <StingRay_> *ships*
Jun 09 17:38:22 <zinx> or design w/ a grid layout or fixed layout or something
Jun 09 17:38:28 <zinx> then convert it to whatever you need
Jun 09 17:38:33 <minioim> I didn'nt know, going to look for it
Jun 09 17:38:57 <StingRay_> http://pencil.evolus.vn/
Jun 09 17:39:06 <minioim> yep I'm reading it
Jun 09 17:39:11 <StingRay_> quite handy for pre-dev complicated layout design
Jun 09 17:39:22 <minioim> thanks a lot ;)
Jun 09 17:39:25 <StingRay_> and app/screen flow too
Jun 09 17:39:57 <StingRay_> you can add many more stencil sets, and even just add your own lib sets
Jun 09 17:40:02 <StingRay_> so well worth the cost
Jun 09 17:40:05 <StingRay_> "freeeeee"
Jun 09 17:40:51 <JesusFreke> StingRay_: nifty, hadn't seen that
Jun 09 17:41:27 <minioim> I will look at it. for now, my method is quite easy: no UI. just fiew controls for testing. I'm focusing on the code and the logic. at the very end, I will handle the design... but really when nothing more will be needed.
Jun 09 17:41:33 <StingRay_> tis nice for "pre-dev" stuff
Jun 09 17:42:19 <minioim> speaking about that... let's go back to code ;) see you later and thx for pencil
Jun 09 17:43:19 <StingRay_> seeya
Jun 09 18:12:54 <chinmaya> HI , I am having a sliding menu. I want to create a view like the screenshot  http://wstaw.org/w/1ZTQ  , can somebody give any ideas to create it.
Jun 09 18:14:25 <Sircle> hello. I have a lengthy but important question. anyone wants to participate? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 09 18:16:01 <StingRay_> chinmaya: do you have a question ?
Jun 09 18:16:11 <chinmaya> StingRay_, yep
Jun 09 18:16:33 <StingRay_> cause asking for ideas, given no context is a bit odd
Jun 09 18:16:43 <StingRay_> the idea in that screen shot is fine
Jun 09 18:16:45 <StingRay_> do that
Jun 09 18:17:01 <chinmaya> StingRay_, the feed all items is where i want to know
Jun 09 18:17:12 <chinmaya> about the idea on how to proceed
Jun 09 18:17:23 <StingRay_> a dropdown and a gridview ?
Jun 09 18:17:32 <StingRay_> or if fixed 2 linearLayouts ?
Jun 09 18:17:46 <nioncode> anyone knows where I can find the native code for VelocityTracker? the java code does barely anything but calling native functions
Jun 09 18:17:48 <chinmaya> the dropdown should show the gridview
Jun 09 18:18:01 <StingRay_> ok
Jun 09 18:18:11 <StingRay_> so your question is how do you hide a view /
Jun 09 18:18:14 <StingRay_> ?
Jun 09 18:18:48 <chinmaya> yes
Jun 09 18:19:06 <StingRay_> myView.setVisablity(View.GONE)
Jun 09 18:19:17 <StingRay_> or View.INVISIBLE
Jun 09 18:19:18 <chinmaya> StingRay_, on clicking the dropdown it should show the gridview
Jun 09 18:19:24 <StingRay_> ok
Jun 09 18:19:30 <StingRay_> so whats your  question now ?
Jun 09 18:19:32 <chinmaya> but will it in the on the layout
Jun 09 18:19:45 <StingRay_> your making no sense
Jun 09 18:19:46 <chinmaya> as dropdown creates a view on top of the parent
Jun 09 18:19:47 <StingRay_> sorry
Jun 09 18:20:14 <StingRay_> your asking how to create a view ?
Jun 09 18:20:25 <chinmaya> you can see the feed dropdown and the gridview and other menu items are in a single layout
Jun 09 18:20:40 <StingRay_> ya
Jun 09 18:21:24 <StingRay_> and that depends on what you mean by layout
Jun 09 18:21:37 <StingRay_> the entire screen at any given point could be one layout
Jun 09 18:21:45 <StingRay_> with many viewGroups
Jun 09 18:21:49 <StingRay_> and many many views
Jun 09 18:21:58 <chinmaya> I meant the sliding menu , be one scrollview
Jun 09 18:22:06 <chinmaya> as a parent layout
Jun 09 18:22:10 <StingRay_> ok
Jun 09 18:22:15 <StingRay_> so your still just stating things
Jun 09 18:22:24 <StingRay_> and I seem to be missing the questions
Jun 09 18:22:30 <StingRay_> not sure if it me
Jun 09 18:22:37 * StingRay_ questions his sanity 
Jun 09 18:22:49 <chinmaya> StingRay_,  sorry for the confusion
Jun 09 18:23:18 <chinmaya> StingRay_, the dropdown shows the items on top of the scrollview
Jun 09 18:23:28 <chinmaya> but i want it to slide from top
Jun 09 18:23:48 <chinmaya> or it should feel like its sliding from top and hide
Jun 09 18:23:58 <chinmaya> when clicked
Jun 09 18:24:05 <Ge0rG> I LOVE my customers! "Are you ever going to update this APRSdroid program I did pay for it and it does not work correct. Also eats battery to not sure why."
Jun 09 18:24:29 <minioim> hey back, I'm having an issue, I'm using a function which test the connection with a server. to do that the function uses an asynctasks to call the server. I need to know when the asynctask is finished, is there a way to do that? i can't find out -_-
Jun 09 18:24:58 <StingRay_> chinmaya: hate to say this, but you just made 3 statments again
Jun 09 18:25:22 <StingRay_> but I presume you mean to ask, how do I create a sliding dropdown area ?
Jun 09 18:26:22 <StingRay_> if so, in your example use case, I think I would have 2 views, and the dropdown just "animates" from underneath ?
Jun 09 18:26:56 <chinmaya> StingRay_, hmm ..
Jun 09 18:27:26 <chinmaya> StingRay_, how to animate the arrow on the Feed All Item ?
Jun 09 18:27:44 <StingRay_> with, erm… animation ???
Jun 09 18:27:52 <StingRay_> not sure how to asnwer that either
Jun 09 18:27:54 <chinmaya> rotate
Jun 09 18:27:58 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 09 18:28:04 <StingRay_> rotate it
Jun 09 18:28:05 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 18:28:06 <chinmaya> it will rotate by 90 deg
Jun 09 18:28:20 <StingRay_> then rotate it … with "animation" 90 degrees
Jun 09 18:28:37 <chinmaya> ok .. so thats feasible
Jun 09 18:28:51 <chinmaya> StingRay_, thanks
Jun 09 18:28:54 <StingRay_> ok np
Jun 09 18:31:22 <minioim> anyone?
Jun 09 18:31:52 <StingRay_> getStatus()
Jun 09 18:31:57 <StingRay_> clear in the class docs
Jun 09 18:32:05 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 18:32:18 <StingRay_> as in I did not know, until about 2 seconds ago
Jun 09 18:32:24 <StingRay_> and I used the power of google
Jun 09 18:32:26 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 18:32:58 <minioim> yeah ok about knowing if it's still running, but I would like to wait the end...
Jun 09 18:33:08 <minioim> (hum let me 2 sec, gonna try something ^)
Jun 09 18:33:15 <StingRay_> thats just flow
Jun 09 18:33:25 <StingRay_> up to you what you do
Jun 09 18:41:39 <minioim> well... not working :/ I launch 3 asynctasks in "the same time" and would like to wait the end of the 3 before continue the execution. getStatus is just an information but cannon "pause" the exec...
Jun 09 18:42:07 <StingRay_> you want to pause the async ?
Jun 09 18:42:19 <StingRay_> control execution order ?
Jun 09 18:42:39 <StingRay_> or are you on about doing something when all 3 have completed ?
Jun 09 18:42:55 <minioim> the third option ;)
Jun 09 18:43:02 <StingRay_> so you can get the status
Jun 09 18:43:07 <StingRay_> what more do you need
Jun 09 18:43:16 <StingRay_> just dont do whatever it is that comes next
Jun 09 18:43:26 <StingRay_> until all 3 status's are what you want
Jun 09 18:43:41 <minioim> yep but how would you do that?
Jun 09 18:44:34 <StingRay_> any number of ways
Jun 09 18:44:49 <StingRay_> have another thread that controls the check / continue
Jun 09 18:44:57 <StingRay_> have just a check method that gets called
Jun 09 18:45:04 <StingRay_> at the end of each asyc
Jun 09 18:45:10 <StingRay_> anyways you want really
Jun 09 18:46:03 <minioim> hum... maybe I don't know enough about how android works but whatever I've tried is failing until now.
Jun 09 18:47:03 <StingRay_> this is java more than anything else
Jun 09 18:47:30 <rved> i have a seek bar, when i change the ringer stream i only have 5 steps.. can i make this into 16 steps?
Jun 09 18:47:44 <rved> like setMax(16)
Jun 09 18:47:59 <rved> and then make the setProgress a percentage of 16
Jun 09 18:47:59 <StingRay_> your saying you have 3 values that may change, and your wanting to stop program flow till all 3 values are what you want ? and you have the convinence of onPostExecute in an async
Jun 09 18:48:08 <StingRay_> and your not sure how you would do that ?
Jun 09 18:48:45 <StingRay_> rved: you can do what you want
Jun 09 18:49:03 <StingRay_> why not make max 100, and only take the nearest value you want as what you want ?
Jun 09 18:49:19 <rved> I'm working on something like this: http://paste2.org/exE08LZg
Jun 09 18:49:40 <rved>     bar.setProgress( (mgr.getStreamVolume(stream)/mgr.getStreamMaxVolume(stream))*stepSize );
Jun 09 18:50:04 <rved> is this correct way of doing things?
Jun 09 18:50:22 <rved> this might end up in a value like 3.4
Jun 09 18:50:22 <StingRay_> does it work ?
Jun 09 18:50:26 <rved> not yet
Jun 09 18:50:47 <rved> I'm trying to debug the value's
Jun 09 18:52:46 <minioim> yep but that's a little bit more complicated. I have a class extending Application (AppState) to keep few datas in memory about the app. all asynctasks change the object myApp which is an instance from AppState. changing values into myApp is not a problem. what is the problem is changing the text on the UI. I can't do that in the onPostExecute cause I need a "general" asynctask. the async must only alterate the mApp objec
Jun 09 18:52:47 <minioim> t. not the UI.
Jun 09 18:53:01 <rved> but is it possible to have decimal value's on the streams?
Jun 09 18:53:25 <rved> or do they always have round steps?
Jun 09 18:53:35 <StingRay_> rved: dont know, read the class doc
Jun 09 18:53:39 <StingRay_> it will say
Jun 09 18:53:40 <rved> :)
Jun 09 18:53:55 <StingRay_> as in I dare say I could find out in a few seconds
Jun 09 18:54:02 <StingRay_> with the power of "search"
Jun 09 18:54:13 <minioim> (by "general" asynctas, I mean: the asynctask must not be bind to an activity, but only to the object myApp
Jun 09 18:55:13 <StingRay_> so your asyncs run from an application instance
Jun 09 18:55:25 <StingRay_> and your wanting to pass info to an already running activity ?
Jun 09 18:55:54 <minioim> yes it sounds like that
Jun 09 18:56:06 <StingRay_> sounds like you should be using a service
Jun 09 18:56:49 <minioim> hum.. quite a little bit more complicated... but if there is no other way...
Jun 09 19:01:06 <gulli> If I declare a map in my layout XML with <fragment> and android:name="com.google.android.gms.maps.MapFragment", but also declaring mMapFragment = MapFragment.newInstance(); and all that in my main activity, am I creating the map twice?
Jun 09 19:01:11 <gulli> You can also see the code here: http://pastebin.com/pqLS2Xq9
Jun 09 19:01:37 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 09 19:01:49 <StingRay_> "newInstance()"
Jun 09 19:02:03 <StingRay_> rather than an existing reference
Jun 09 19:02:36 <gulli> so what kind of container do I make in the XML
Jun 09 19:02:49 <gulli> so I can then tell the java code to put the map there
Jun 09 19:02:52 <StingRay_> a "View"
Jun 09 19:02:59 <gulli> ahh ok
Jun 09 19:03:00 <StingRay_> anything
Jun 09 19:03:03 <StingRay_> FrameLayout
Jun 09 19:03:08 <StingRay_> not a view
Jun 09 19:03:12 <StingRay_> I mean to say
Jun 09 19:03:17 <StingRay_> any ViewGroup
Jun 09 19:03:18 <gulli> TextView?
Jun 09 19:03:28 <gulli> <ViewGroup>?
Jun 09 19:03:48 <StingRay_> anything that extends viewGroup that fits the purpose
Jun 09 19:04:14 <StingRay_> eg  linear/relative/frame (layouts)
Jun 09 19:04:31 <gulli> ok thanks :) going to the the frame layout
Jun 09 19:04:50 <StingRay_> best choice imho for speed and function
Jun 09 19:04:51 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 19:08:29 <gulli> stragne though, the app does not work then
Jun 09 19:08:41 <gulli>  <FrameLayout          android:id="@+id/map"          android:layout_width="match_parent"          android:layout_height="300dp"         />
Jun 09 19:08:57 <gulli> after taking out the fragment
Jun 09 19:09:06 <Ge0rG> somebody here ever ordered one of the microsoft core fonts for in-app use and distribution?
Jun 09 19:10:08 <StingRay_> erm
Jun 09 19:10:13 <StingRay_> what are you  doing ?
Jun 09 19:10:36 <StingRay_> your getting an instance of MapFragment as mMapFragment
Jun 09 19:10:51 <StingRay_> then commit that to the id etc
Jun 09 19:10:56 <gulli> yup
Jun 09 19:11:08 <StingRay_> then your attempting to find it again but by a tag that you never set ?
Jun 09 19:11:18 <StingRay_> with a method that wont be on an object that dont exist ?
Jun 09 19:11:19 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 19:11:31 <gulli> ahh
Jun 09 19:11:39 <gulli> findFragmentById(R.id.map)
Jun 09 19:11:42 <gulli> this little sucker
Jun 09 19:12:07 <StingRay_> well you already have an instance nMapFragment ?
Jun 09 19:12:09 <gulli> or what
Jun 09 19:12:13 <StingRay_> so why would you find it again ?
Jun 09 19:13:12 <StingRay_> I mean to say, that you have no fragment that is tagged with R.id.map
Jun 09 19:13:23 <gulli> Are you talking about the <fragment> I had in the layout xml before?
Jun 09 19:13:30 <StingRay_> and the results of searching for such an object means your looking at a frameLayout
Jun 09 19:13:48 <StingRay_> but it;s the point of attempting to find something you already have that I'm questioning
Jun 09 19:14:17 <StingRay_> mMap = mMapFragment;
Jun 09 19:15:34 <StingRay_> if for some odd reason you still wanted to find what you had already but just for the sake of finding it, tag it so it's easy to find
Jun 09 19:15:48 <gulli> But is it the same? Isnt a map fragment different? At least I am finding different methods for it
Jun 09 19:15:49 <StingRay_> findFragmentByTag("mySpecialTag");
Jun 09 19:16:23 <gulli> Seems I cant use setMapType on mMapFragment
Jun 09 19:16:31 <gulli> but I can use it on mMap
Jun 09 19:17:12 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 09 19:17:14 <StingRay_> my bad
Jun 09 19:17:31 <StingRay_> oh wait
Jun 09 19:17:34 <StingRay_> no not my bad
Jun 09 19:17:50 <StingRay_> I take it nMapFragment is same type as mMap ?
Jun 09 19:18:34 <StingRay_> as in I take it that MapFragment.newInstance() returns the type that has a method .getMap()
Jun 09 19:18:35 <gulli> well, it should be when I think about it
Jun 09 19:18:39 <gulli> since I am doing a cast there
Jun 09 19:19:03 <gulli> Ahh yes
Jun 09 19:19:05 <gulli> :D
Jun 09 19:19:08 <gulli> It can do a getMap
Jun 09 19:19:09 <gulli> hehe
Jun 09 19:19:20 <gulli> mMapFragment
Jun 09 19:23:39 <gulli> Just figured out they arent the same
Jun 09 19:23:43 <gulli> private GoogleMap mMap;
Jun 09 19:23:53 <gulli> MapFragment mMapFragment;
Jun 09 19:24:07 <gulli> Can't use setMapType on the mapfragment
Jun 09 19:24:15 <gulli> even if I can use .getMap()
Jun 09 19:24:21 <gulli> Ill figure this out :)
Jun 09 19:24:30 <gulli> and report if someone is interested
Jun 09 19:49:14 <Hugey991> I seem to be having problems understanding how to use custom views, defined in xml layout files, in adapters for use in GridViews
Jun 09 19:50:05 <StingRay_> I seem to have a problem not going out an buying lots of cigs, and chillaxing in the garden smoking
Jun 09 19:50:06 <Hugey991> I understand the case where you have a static layout, create objects to represent them in your code and manipulate them that way
Jun 09 19:50:57 <Mavrik> Hugey991, you just have to inflate them and return them in getView method of the adapter
Jun 09 19:51:04 <Mavrik> it's a pretty standard pattern in Grid/ListViews
Jun 09 19:51:52 <Hugey991> What I dont understand is how you reference sub-views after inflating the root of the view defined in the xml file
Jun 09 19:52:10 <StingRay_> youInflatedView.findViewById()
Jun 09 19:52:23 <StingRay_> looks in that inflated view for x id
Jun 09 19:52:51 <Mavrik> Hugey991, you call findViewById on the root view :)
Jun 09 19:53:02 <Mavrik> and then fill in the data
Jun 09 19:53:28 <Hugey991> hm, that actually makes sense..
Jun 09 19:53:33 <Mavrik> Hugey991, maybe this will help you: http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidListView/article.html#adapterown
Jun 09 19:53:42 <Ologn> Mavrik, I started that device list
Jun 09 19:53:50 <Hugey991> Aweseome - I'll try that tomorrow, thanks Marvik!
Jun 09 19:53:54 <Hugey991> Mavrik**
Jun 09 20:10:01 <BustyLoli-Chan> when is one suppose to use the child fragment manager as opposed to the actual fragment manager?
Jun 09 20:11:19 * Achillion is currently watching Maverick
Jun 09 20:11:28 <benlieb> I'm moving an app to be based on a library project. This line is coming up null when put into the library project. Any reason why?  getApplicationContext().getExternalFilesDir(null);
Jun 09 20:12:37 <StingRay_> a lines doesnt come up null
Jun 09 20:12:41 <StingRay_> line*
Jun 09 20:13:20 <CocoStorm> benlieb, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10606122/android-calling-getexternalfilesdir-null-from-application-oncreate-returns
Jun 09 20:13:21 <benlieb> StingRay_: the value is nil
Jun 09 20:13:39 <StingRay_> benlieb: you mean that object and method return null ?
Jun 09 20:14:29 <StingRay_> or that getApplicationContext() returns null ?
Jun 09 20:14:51 <Zharf> getExternalFilesDir returns null if external storage isn't mounted..
Jun 09 20:15:25 <benlieb> CocoStorm: that may be it. I have those perms in the library project manifest but not in the dependent project. Lemme see...
Jun 09 20:16:11 <StingRay_> not sure that the lib project even uses the manifest at all
Jun 09 20:16:20 <StingRay_> so that will be it :)
Jun 09 20:16:27 <Zharf> you don't need the permission unless you actually write to the external storage...
Jun 09 20:16:56 <hallas> if (!calendar.type == 'public') {
Jun 09 20:16:58 <hallas> woops, miss tell!
Jun 09 20:18:07 <benlieb> CocoStorm: that was totally it, thank you.
Jun 09 20:18:16 <CocoStorm> benlieb, you're welcome
Jun 09 20:18:31 <benlieb> StingRay_: it appears you have to declare things in both the library project manifest and the dependent project.
Jun 09 20:18:44 <StingRay_> naaa
Jun 09 20:18:46 <StingRay_> I dont
Jun 09 20:18:51 <StingRay_> tis the user that needs it
Jun 09 20:18:54 <StingRay_> like drugs
Jun 09 20:18:58 <Zharf> oh wait, you might actually need it for that, I was thinking of getExternalStorageDirectory for some reason, getExternalFilesDir does create the Android/data/package/files dir...
Jun 09 20:19:22 <StingRay_> dont need anything in a lib project for permissions
Jun 09 20:19:34 <StingRay_> or for activitites
Jun 09 20:19:42 <StingRay_> or anything for that matter I dont think
Jun 09 20:20:25 <StingRay_> oh wait, it may use version info
Jun 09 20:20:28 <StingRay_> as in api stuff
Jun 09 20:20:33 <StingRay_> but thats it
Jun 09 20:27:05 <SimonVT> Unless you use manifest merging, library projects manifest isn't used
Jun 09 20:27:53 <Sircle> hello. I have a lengthy but important question. anyone wants to participate? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 09 20:28:46 <SimonVT> Not really
Jun 09 20:31:11 <Sircle> pardon SimonVT ?
Jun 09 20:33:05 <benlieb> SimonVT: how do you use manifest merging? I'm building 9 apps that will all be 95% based on one library app. They will all use the same manifest… I'd like not to have to maintain 10 of them...
Jun 09 20:35:46 <SimonVT> Google it, I'd imagine it depends on your build system (eclipse, ant, gradle, ..)
Jun 09 20:36:25 <StingRay_> benlieb: you on linux ?
Jun 09 20:36:35 <benlieb> mac
Jun 09 20:36:43 <StingRay_> oh ...arses
Jun 09 20:37:01 <StingRay_> was gonna say "ln" can do hardlinks
Jun 09 20:37:11 <StingRay_> but we mac users have a cut down crippled version
Jun 09 20:37:29 <StingRay_> maybe something to do with hfs integrity or some bollox apple thing
Jun 09 20:37:40 <StingRay_> otherwise hard mirrors of single files is easy
Jun 09 20:38:57 <SimonVT> And probably a bad solution
Jun 09 20:39:12 <StingRay_> naaa
Jun 09 20:39:25 <benlieb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Erd2k6EKxCQ#t=2939s
Jun 09 20:39:29 <StingRay_> simple and 100% working and maintainable is never bad
Jun 09 20:40:03 <SimonVT> So you'd link 9 apps to the same manifest?
Jun 09 20:40:15 <StingRay_> errr wtf  video was underneath and got my attention more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPX-AF8ccXQ
Jun 09 20:40:55 <StingRay_> since I quite smoking, my attention is all over the place :(
Jun 09 20:41:05 <SimonVT> Just start again
Jun 09 20:41:51 <StingRay_> I know right...
Jun 09 20:42:35 <SimonVT> Speaking of bad advice..:P
Jun 09 20:43:52 <benlieb> SimonVT: yes, they'll all use the same manifest.
Jun 09 20:44:23 <SimonVT> It was more of a question to StingRay_, and his suggesting of linking 9 apps to the exact same manifest
Jun 09 20:44:48 <StingRay_> I didnt say it was a good idea at all
Jun 09 20:44:51 <SimonVT> He just needs a few minutes then he'll see the obvious problems with that :p
Jun 09 20:45:09 <StingRay_> but the act of using hardlinks to exactly maintain mirrored data is cool
Jun 09 20:45:27 <StingRay_> 9 manifests is silly
Jun 09 20:45:37 <benlieb> Having trouble finding actual documentation of what parts of the manifest manifestmerger actually merges tho...
Jun 09 20:45:52 <SimonVT> benlieb, just try it out
Jun 09 20:45:54 <StingRay_> you would need 1 merged for all of them neways
Jun 09 20:46:03 <benlieb> i did, it works.
Jun 09 20:46:13 <benlieb> but i just tried the activities
Jun 09 20:46:21 <SimonVT> Define everything in library, keep app manifest minimal.. Decompile app and see what it looks like
Jun 09 20:46:21 <benlieb> I'll play with perms etc....
Jun 09 20:46:42 <benlieb> documentation is always nice tho
Jun 09 20:52:45 <velocet> hello
Jun 09 20:52:54 <velocet> how may I register the same contentobserver for multiple URI's ?
Jun 09 20:53:27 <velocet> calling registerContentObserver( URI_A, myObserver)
Jun 09 20:53:38 <velocet> and then registerContentOBserver(URI_B, myObserver)
Jun 09 20:53:51 <velocet> ends up calling myObserver twice for URI_A
Jun 09 20:53:54 <velocet> for some reason
Jun 09 21:02:22 <benlieb> can you use subdirectories in drawable yet?
Jun 09 21:02:38 <StingRay_> nafaik
Jun 09 21:03:10 <StingRay_> I would really like that
Jun 09 21:03:26 <StingRay_> but then it would be harder to maintain I guess
Jun 09 21:04:59 <benlieb> StingRay_: I've heard of someone who keeps their drawables in dirs, and then employs a bash script to sync them to the highest level with underscores for slashes. Kindof a pain...
Jun 09 21:05:27 <StingRay_> yeah, and verify errors etc… big pain
Jun 09 21:07:39 <timroes> benlieb: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2018&q=drawable%20subfolders&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
Jun 09 21:07:54 <newinandroid> hi i'm using the new Fused Location, ok all works but when i check GPS Satellite i don't see GPS Symbol in Notification Bar.
Jun 09 21:08:31 <benlieb> timroes: I figured.
Jun 09 21:10:37 <timroes> stare it, so it might get implemented sooner
Jun 09 21:10:55 <timroes> or not, since how google develop this stuff is everything else then transparent
Jun 09 21:14:52 <Technodrome> good day
Jun 09 21:15:16 <Technodrome> is it possible to inject new methods and extend android apps on the system? without having their source?
Jun 09 21:17:53 <StingRay_> Your wanting to hack some1 elses app ?
Jun 09 21:18:22 <StingRay_> and your asking this in an android app development channel ?
Jun 09 21:19:54 <timroes> Technodrome: if you mean injecting code in apps on any device by code: no. If you mean injecting code on your own device to apps you don't have the sources, have a look at that: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/events/5123.en.html
Jun 09 21:20:30 <Technodrome> no , say add functionality to a native app
Jun 09 21:20:41 <Technodrome> StingRay_: nothing malicious man
Jun 09 21:20:43 <timroes> native app?
Jun 09 21:20:48 <StingRay_> why can you just download the source then ?
Jun 09 21:21:09 <Technodrome> because i'm not sure if samsung releases code for their apps they provide?
Jun 09 21:21:19 <StingRay_> oh samsung
Jun 09 21:21:27 <Technodrome> maybe they do, sense the app is likely built on top of the default stuff
Jun 09 21:21:28 <StingRay_> oh …ewww   which app ?
Jun 09 21:21:33 <Technodrome> email
Jun 09 21:21:34 <timroes> so you want this changes to be permanent?
Jun 09 21:21:56 <Technodrome> email has *no* IMAP IDLE functionality, i want to add it
Jun 09 21:22:11 <timroes> your opportunities:
Jun 09 21:22:40 <Technodrome> the default android one of course i can get the code
Jun 09 21:22:40 <timroes> (a) you get the apk from your device, decompile it, change it so it has your functionatliy, recompile it. if its a system app, root your device, and upload it again
Jun 09 21:22:48 <Technodrome> but the htc and samsung version i'm not sure if they release
Jun 09 21:22:49 <timroes> (b) just get one of the billion other mail apps, that support imap idle :)
Jun 09 21:23:09 <Technodrome> there is something to be said for default apps
Jun 09 21:23:25 <Technodrome> and only one other app supports IDLE correctly
Jun 09 21:23:31 <Technodrome> and it doesn't quite do it right
Jun 09 21:23:35 <timroes> and btw i guess there is a reason imap idle isn't supported
Jun 09 21:23:39 <Technodrome> i've investigated this heavily
Jun 09 21:23:44 <timroes> because the android native app doesn't support it either
Jun 09 21:23:57 <Technodrome> the native email app hasn't been worked on for a long time
Jun 09 21:24:01 <Technodrome> very little dev there
Jun 09 21:24:03 <timroes> i guess main reason lies inpower consumption, and wake locks
Jun 09 21:24:16 <Technodrome> no, imap idle is better than constantly polling
Jun 09 21:24:22 <Technodrome> 2ndly, gmail supports it
Jun 09 21:24:28 <Technodrome> as does microsoft activesync
Jun 09 21:24:29 <Technodrome> s
Jun 09 21:24:39 <Technodrome> so any microsoft email or any active sync server
Jun 09 21:24:46 <Technodrome> and of course any gmail acccount
Jun 09 21:24:56 <timroes> but actually yuour device doesn't constantly poll it
Jun 09 21:25:19 <timroes> because assuming an average user, the device stays very long time inside of your pocket not needing to pull anything, since you don't look at it
Jun 09 21:25:35 <Technodrome> it polls based on timing
Jun 09 21:25:42 <Technodrome> imap idle is better for power
Jun 09 21:25:55 <Sircle> hello. I have a lengthy but important question. anyone wants to participate? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 09 21:26:12 <timroes> Technodrome: how come? i guess the server regularry need a ping of the client
Jun 09 21:26:14 <timroes> that it is still alive
Jun 09 21:26:36 <Technodrome> timroes: it maintains one connection
Jun 09 21:26:58 <ultrixx> if i want to sell an app on play store, do i have to implement code that checks if the app was correctly purchased from play store?
Jun 09 21:27:05 <timroes> and for this connection not to be aborted cause of timeouts it needs some action from the client time by time
Jun 09 21:27:14 <Technodrome> when the phone is idle you can do tricks to say, only "poll" every 30 mins or what not
Jun 09 21:27:21 <Technodrome> timroes: yes its usually just a few bytes
Jun 09 21:27:22 <canadiancow> Technodrome, you want to add that support to the stock email app?
Jun 09 21:27:27 <canadiancow> email is open source
Jun 09 21:27:29 <Technodrome> yes
Jun 09 21:27:43 <Technodrome> i know but i wanted to add it to samsungs email and htc's as well
Jun 09 21:27:45 <timroes> Technodrome: point is, that sending regulary a few bytes is on a mobile device way worse then sending a peek way les soften
Jun 09 21:27:47 <Technodrome> since they are both widely used
Jun 09 21:27:52 <timroes> because it drains the battery a lot more
Jun 09 21:27:57 <canadiancow> i believe they are based on AOSP's email
Jun 09 21:28:08 <Technodrome> timroes: there is already a ton of info on this, you are wrong :)
Jun 09 21:28:35 <canadiancow> timroes, are you saying that polling every 30 minutes is better than getting a push every 2 minutes?
Jun 09 21:28:40 <canadiancow> or did i misunderstand
Jun 09 21:28:49 <timroes> yeah :)
Jun 09 21:28:53 <timroes> you did
Jun 09 21:29:05 <Technodrome> polling every 30 minutes during peak time is pretty long
Jun 09 21:29:12 <timroes> pulling every 2 seconds is worse then pulling every 30 minutes way more data
Jun 09 21:29:16 <Technodrome> a max of 5-7 mins during peak
Jun 09 21:29:31 <timroes> pushing in  away that android support (like gcm) is ofc cheap like .. nothing else i guess :)
Jun 09 21:29:49 <Technodrome> timroes: gmail supports it just fine and is very low power
Jun 09 21:29:51 <timroes> but i haven't seen an imap idle impleemntation yet, that supports gcm (though it would be nice way to go )
Jun 09 21:29:51 <canadiancow> thats not necessarily true
Jun 09 21:29:56 <Technodrome> its almost sorta just a way i think to get people to use gmail
Jun 09 21:30:03 <canadiancow> on my corp account, i get email every couple minutes
Jun 09 21:30:11 <canadiancow> it would save power if gmail polled every 30 minutes
Jun 09 21:30:26 <canadiancow> rather than getting new mail every 3 minutes
Jun 09 21:30:38 <StingRay_> canadiancow: then you would be 27 minutes late to an emergency meeting
Jun 09 21:30:44 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 21:30:48 <Technodrome> the k-9 mail guys talk a lot about this
Jun 09 21:30:50 <canadiancow> StingRay_, i'm talking about power, and nothing else
Jun 09 21:30:53 <ultrixx> anybody here who sells apps on play store? do i need to implement code to check if the app was actually bought from playstore?
Jun 09 21:30:54 <timroes> i am not talking about activity while screen is on
Jun 09 21:31:12 <Technodrome> yes i do tons of contracts, a matter of 15 minutes is big sometimes
Jun 09 21:31:16 <timroes> and wlan module anyway is active, its all about the time the device is at sleep
Jun 09 21:33:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> so when using fragments, is it better to recreate your view/linearlayout from some stored variable/arguments every time in the onCreateView method? or is it just as acceptable to store that view in a variable and simply recall that previously created view?
Jun 09 21:39:34 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: normally you just return the results on inflater.inflate
Jun 09 21:42:13 <BustyLoli-Chan> yeah, but technically you could save that inflated view
Jun 09 21:42:21 <BustyLoli-Chan> and make changes to it and reload it
Jun 09 21:43:23 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: i suppose, or you could just return a different inflated view
Jun 09 21:43:45 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: are you trying to optimize?
Jun 09 21:43:52 <BustyLoli-Chan> well I have a need to dynamically adjust the view
Jun 09 21:44:13 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: you can have placeholder in your view that you do stuff with
Jun 09 21:44:15 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm just trying to get make nested tabs work... because some way or another something seems to go wrong and complain about something
Jun 09 21:46:43 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: i would recommend designing to avoid nested tabs. for example this is the opposite of usable: http://arstechnica.giantlocations.com/reviews/003/panther/images/nested-tabs.png
Jun 09 21:47:02 <StingRay_> I love that
Jun 09 21:47:05 <StingRay_> direct
Jun 09 21:47:07 <StingRay_> simple
Jun 09 21:47:09 <StingRay_> all there
Jun 09 21:47:12 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 09 21:47:16 <Jc_Dev> :)
Jun 09 21:47:23 <StingRay_> looks like god made it himself
Jun 09 21:47:33 <Jc_Dev> it does everything and more!
Jun 09 21:48:03 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://pastebin.com/UR7fHGR7 this what I'm trying to compare
Jun 09 21:48:35 <BustyLoli-Chan> and I know that nested tabs aren't recomended, but it's really the layout Idea I'm going for
Jun 09 21:49:54 <BustyLoli-Chan> it's an instant messaging type application here is the actual layout appearance https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/263333_4933879545437_1978304481_n.jpg
Jun 09 21:50:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> I had it semi-working at one point before errors made me question I should try rebuilding it or rethinking my underlying code logic...
Jun 09 21:50:41 <StingRay_> BustyLoli-Chan: thats horrid as a design
Jun 09 21:50:43 <Jc_Dev> i'm not sure if you can load data that early, might have to wait until a loaded event
Jun 09 21:51:13 <BustyLoli-Chan> well my main problem is that when I initially create the tabs... onCreateView isn't called
Jun 09 21:51:16 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: because you can change tabs by swiping to the side, i don't think it's possible to nest like that - check out google plus for an example of a sidebar, i think that's what you want
Jun 09 21:51:22 <StingRay_> well from a designers point of view
Jun 09 21:51:52 <BustyLoli-Chan> so if I try to add data to a tab that hasn't been clicked on yet I get errors
Jun 09 21:51:53 <timroes> StingRay_: it will also be horrible from a users point of view :)
Jun 09 21:52:01 <Jc_Dev> fragments use onViewCreated and onActivityCreated
Jun 09 21:52:44 <Jc_Dev> also i'd recommend using a Loader to load your data, it does it asyncronously and makes your app feel more responsive
Jun 09 21:52:56 <BustyLoli-Chan> if I place my layout inflation/instanteation in onCreate() or onActivityCreated() then I don't have access to the container
Jun 09 21:53:37 <BustyLoli-Chan> compare  (LinearLayout)aInflater.inflate(R.layout.tab_raw_layout, null); to (LinearLayout)inflater.inflate(R.layout.tab_raw_layout, container, false);
Jun 09 21:54:19 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't know why, I just felt like that would create problems...
Jun 09 21:54:26 <BustyLoli-Chan> or that it was creating problems....
Jun 09 21:55:42 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: side-bar example: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCtAzppcWgG2f4MGlmGhwyUfvQLnY6igyi61wxTgsou3Izfj0-Og
Jun 09 21:55:49 <BustyLoli-Chan> also my app actually talks to a service that uses about a billion different async tasks to communicate on a socket to a chat site on the internet
Jun 09 21:56:38 <BustyLoli-Chan> I've seen the side bar, but the idea is that if someone messages you you see it on the tab and then click on the tab to open up that conversation and respond to it
Jun 09 21:57:12 <StingRay_> so I have to keep the app open ?
Jun 09 21:57:13 <BustyLoli-Chan> My entire design is to mimic the website http://chatango.com since I'm really trying to make an android app for that site
Jun 09 21:57:23 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: did you know you can swipe to the side to switch tabs? how will that work if you are effectively in two tabs at once?
Jun 09 21:57:45 <StingRay_> BustyLoli-Chan: that site and the context and use of chat, would be very different on mobile app
Jun 09 21:58:03 <StingRay_> you cannot and shouldn't design an app to mimic a site
Jun 09 21:58:07 <BustyLoli-Chan> I did not know that, and I do not know how that will work... that wasn't a main reason for picking the tab layout
Jun 09 21:58:29 <BustyLoli-Chan> the idea was to build an environment of familiarity for people who already use the site and are happy with its layout
Jun 09 21:59:14 <StingRay_> thats a fair goal, but maybe implement more design aimed at a mobile version
Jun 09 21:59:25 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: it's a good idea, but users don't expect a website/full application layout to be represented exactly in a mobile app, use concepts like themes and wording to establish familiarity
Jun 09 22:00:04 <BustyLoli-Chan> for the most part I had quite a few things working
Jun 09 22:00:33 <BustyLoli-Chan> I would only get errors that come along trying to do things in the second tab host...
Jun 09 22:00:38 <Jc_Dev> cool, yeah i'd say the only issue i'm hearing is how to break apart the tabs in tabs thing
Jun 09 22:01:33 <BustyLoli-Chan> it's not even that
Jun 09 22:01:36 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: you could leverage the action bar more - if there's new chats for example, you could show a notification in the actionbar like how google plus does (the red box with a number in it, representing notifications)
Jun 09 22:02:31 <BustyLoli-Chan> one error I noticed was when adding a tab to the second tab host
Jun 09 22:02:41 <BustyLoli-Chan> it would make two new tabs of te same type every time
Jun 09 22:02:53 <Darkchaos> Hello Guys. I am having my own "engine" running jpeg's, however I want to use 3d-models. Is it possible to adopt, or are other engines recommended?
Jun 09 22:03:01 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: you know the solution to that now though right? :)
Jun 09 22:03:25 <BustyLoli-Chan> and the other would happen when trying to make a new tab it would come up with an illegal state error something about onsavestatechange or something to that effect
Jun 09 22:03:27 <BustyLoli-Chan> and I do not
Jun 09 22:03:43 <Jc_Dev> solution = don't use nested tabs, it's not supported and is a bad idea on a mobile app
Jun 09 22:03:55 <BustyLoli-Chan> I've been playing with the support fragment manager and the child fragment manager trying to figure out where I went wrong
Jun 09 22:04:41 <Jc_Dev> i'm curious what would happen if you swipe to the side in your layout, would it switch both tabs or just the deepest one
Jun 09 22:05:29 <BustyLoli-Chan> well right now when I swipe nothing happens regardless
Jun 09 22:05:52 <Jc_Dev> oh you're not using a ViewPager? you're using tabs directly?
Jun 09 22:05:57 <pragma-> ew, tabs.
Jun 09 22:06:20 <BustyLoli-Chan> using a tabhost
Jun 09 22:06:20 <StingRay_> tabs are the least of the problems
Jun 09 22:06:29 <Jc_Dev> if you want tabs, use a ViewPager, my understanding is you're doing a lot of extra manual work if you don't
Jun 09 22:06:43 <pragma-> also using an incredibly outdated ui
Jun 09 22:06:57 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://thepseudocoder.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/android-tabs-the-fragment-way/ this is the potentially outdated example I've been following
Jun 09 22:07:04 <BustyLoli-Chan> since it's the only one I could find
Jun 09 22:07:22 <BustyLoli-Chan> also my target API is 8 froyo so there are some limitations
Jun 09 22:07:37 <Mavrik> ugh, use ViewPager with ViewPagerIndicator
Jun 09 22:07:45 <Mavrik> to get a more native feel for ICS
Jun 09 22:08:06 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: click through to his next post, that's what i thought you were using
Jun 09 22:08:22 * StingRay_ has had enough of watching programmers murder fundimental design considerations and principals for one day
Jun 09 22:08:40 <StingRay_> time to attempt sleep
Jun 09 22:08:44 <Sonicadvance1> hehe
Jun 09 22:08:48 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't think I'd use that in this situation
Jun 09 22:09:37 <BustyLoli-Chan> I have an app that uses that, but it's a dining menu app... like I said, as much as it's not recommended I'd like to closely mirror the original site in this app
Jun 09 22:09:54 <BustyLoli-Chan> and even though I understand it will be a pain in the ass, I still entirely believe it is possible
Jun 09 22:10:09 <Jc_Dev> BustyLoli-Chan: possible sure, usable though - not so much
Jun 09 22:12:17 <Jc_Dev> to be honest, the site probably shouldn't be using nested tabs either
Jun 09 22:13:29 <BustyLoli-Chan> their site is made in flash lol
Jun 09 22:13:36 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't think it's a bad design
Jun 09 22:13:47 <BustyLoli-Chan> not as bad as everyone seems to make it sound anyway
Jun 09 22:13:50 <Sonicadvance1> Just bad? :P
Jun 09 22:14:20 <Sonicadvance1> HTML is the future :D
Jun 09 22:14:50 <Jc_Dev> and the past!
Jun 09 22:16:41 <caverdude> hi
Jun 09 23:00:27 <okamis_> is it a service I want if I want to create a webserver hosted on my phone? I want the server to notify my app if someone sends a HTTP POST
Jun 09 23:13:16 <beastmanrage> how can i have a bound service make calls on my activity?
Jun 09 23:18:56 <Solupus> I'm creating a game and I have a base resolution of 1,920 x 1,080 pixels. So i'll most likely have textures in the sizes of 2048x2048. Is there a way to resize them on load or specifically for devices that have a smaller resolution so it won't take up that much memory? I guess I can prescale them and put them in their respective dpi folders but wouldn't that make the apk size bigger?
Jun 09 23:20:56 <Chainfire> solupus> http://developer.android.com/google/play/publishing/multiple-apks.html
Jun 09 23:21:18 <Chainfire> prescale and have different APKs for different resolutions
Jun 09 23:21:29 <Chainfire> just a suggestion. or download the correct texture pack on first run
Jun 09 23:21:32 <Solupus> oh i see cool :)
Jun 09 23:21:52 <Solupus> makes a whole lot of sense now haha :)
Jun 09 23:22:01 <Sonicadvance1> Would loading a textures with glTexture2D without a mipmap level of 0 effectively resize it?
Jun 09 23:22:08 <Chainfire> but read carefully - you shouldn't really go the multiple apk route unless your apk gets giant
Jun 09 23:22:28 <ultrixx> hi! i am not sure if i should use the android lvl library. would you recommend to use it in every paid app or just the expensive ones?
Jun 09 23:23:42 <Chainfire> Sonicadvance1 I'm no GL expert (I know preciously little about it) but I don't think that would work. Try it out :)
Jun 09 23:24:07 <Sonicadvance1> Yea, I'm not too sure how well it would work without a level 0 base texture
Jun 09 23:24:25 <Chainfire> ultrixx it doesn't hurt to use it (wisely) but it won't really help against piracy since there's automatic toolkits that remove the copy protection from it, unless you have some nice extra protections
Jun 09 23:24:43 <Chainfire> (== handwritten protections)
Jun 09 23:25:40 <ultrixx> Chainfire: thanks! i wrote some kind of calculator that is supposed to be used by students and i fear that my app could fail because of possible lack of an internet connection during an exam
Jun 09 23:26:02 <Chainfire> also, think about whether you want to mess with users... I use the LVL in some apps (only a few of them really, and they have extra protections), but I would strongly advise against license checking requiring a connection
Jun 09 23:26:14 <Sonicadvance1> hm, one can set GL_TEXTURE_BASE_LEVEL​ with glTexParameter, so it /might/ work with no base level
Jun 09 23:26:37 <Chainfire> personally I only let it fail if there (a) is an internet connection (b) Play returns that the app is *not* licensed. If there isn't an internet connection or Play errors or whatever, the app still just works
Jun 09 23:26:46 <Chainfire> the very last thing you want to do is inconvenience a paying user
Jun 09 23:27:03 <Chainfire> thats how EA collects worst company of the year awards ;)
Jun 09 23:27:27 <Sonicadvance1> :D
Jun 09 23:27:48 <Zharf> I think there's much more to it in EAs case buy yeahh
Jun 09 23:28:07 <p_l> Zharf: that's the core, though
Jun 09 23:28:14 <daivyk> hi, I have a service that creates a InetSocketAddress, the error was android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException, ok, I have to run on another Thread, so I created a new Thread with Thread t=new Thread(new Runnable()....), but now it is saying that I need a Looper.prepare(), is there any other solution ? I need to keep the service running to i extended the Service class.
Jun 09 23:28:24 <p_l> especially when a lot of the annoyances seem to be caused by "fighting with piracy"
Jun 09 23:28:31 <Zharf> p_l, it's not my complaint about them, mainly because I've never ben affected by it
Jun 09 23:28:35 <ultrixx> Chainfire: you are right. thank you for your help!
Jun 09 23:29:09 <daivyk> I mean, another simple solution instead of to create a Looper now.
Jun 09 23:29:11 <Zharf> been*
Jun 09 23:30:40 <Chainfire> new InetSocketAddress requires Looper.prepare? that sounds odd
Jun 09 23:31:03 <Zharf> what?
Jun 09 23:31:11 <Zharf> ... what?
Jun 09 23:31:45 <Zharf> you're wrong :p
Jun 09 23:32:03 <Chainfire> daivyk's implying so :D
Jun 09 23:32:29 <Zharf> ohh
Jun 09 23:32:31 <daivyk> no.. InetSocketAddress needs a new thread, so I created one, so the error now is "java.lang.RuntimeException: can't create handler inside thread that has not called Looper.prepare()."
Jun 09 23:32:32 <Zharf> he's doing it wrong
Jun 09 23:32:53 <daivyk> Zharf: pls help..
Jun 09 23:32:56 <Zharf> daivyk, what do you need the handler for?
Jun 09 23:33:02 <Zharf> if for UI thread talking, create it in the UI thread
Jun 09 23:33:11 <Zharf> then just post stuff to it from the other thread
Jun 09 23:34:15 <daivyk> Zharf: I created a service (extends Service) inside the onCreate I have a ..new InetSocketAddress(), this gives me an error, android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException
Jun 09 23:34:31 <Zharf> yep
Jun 09 23:35:07 <daivyk> so, I need to do new Thread, right ?
Jun 09 23:36:18 <daivyk> ahn.. sorry! I found the mistake here.
Jun 09 23:40:16 <Solupus> Chainfire, so im guessing 9mbs for a simple game isn't giant?
Jun 09 23:40:24 <Solupus> cause if I was on a prism that would be giant to me :/
Jun 09 23:40:30 <Chainfire> not really
Jun 09 23:40:43 <Chainfire> are you using texture compression ?
Jun 09 23:40:58 <Solupus> texture compression? im using png optimization for my textures
Jun 09 23:40:59 <Chainfire> I have games that span 44 floppy disks ...
Jun 09 23:41:03 <daivyk> When i declare inside the manifest <service ... android:process":foo" />, isn't it running on another process already ?
Jun 09 23:41:32 <Solupus> sometimes I can successfully optimize a 3 mb to 1 mb with png optimization.
Jun 09 23:41:58 <FernandoMiguel> floppies :D
Jun 09 23:42:14 <Chainfire> solupus> if you're using GL, try ETC1
Jun 09 23:44:07 <Chainfire> daivyk even so, you're not allowed to do networking on the main thread of that separate process either
Jun 09 23:48:31 <Zharf> daivyk, sorry I forgot I was talking to you :p
Jun 09 23:49:57 <daivyk> Zharf: no problem.. ;)
Jun 09 23:50:07 <daivyk> Chainfire: ok, thanks.
Jun 09 23:50:18 <Zharf> daivyk, so all is good now?
Jun 09 23:50:36 <daivyk> yes.. I forgot to remove the handler I created.. ;)
Jun 09 23:50:42 <Zharf> -.-
Jun 09 23:50:49 <daivyk> .. on another class I created.. that's why
Jun 09 23:51:04 <daivyk> everything is working now..
Jun 09 23:58:33 <vvu> i am trying to to USB host communication with a device. i did usbmon on the device and see bulk transfer from the device. the packets are with 64 or 150 bytes length. in my code when i am trying to do bulkTransfer with the IN endpoint i get nothing. my device is opened, interface claimed i can see the 2 endpoint for communication.any idea if i don`t get nothing from it? i can do a read and then nothing comes.
Jun 09 23:58:57 <vvu> my device is a AM335x TexasInstrument SoC which sends BOOTP requests over usb.
Jun 10 00:12:10 <Solupus> Chainfire, since my textures are still huge wouldn't that affect the Graphics Memory in smaller devices like the prism?
Jun 10 00:12:36 <Solupus> Im opting to not use multiple apks
Jun 10 00:19:31 <cincinnatus> What's a good vector graphics (svg or svg-like) options for android that works on version 2?
Jun 10 00:25:55 <Ologn> cincinnatus, there's a few options
Jun 10 00:26:15 <Ologn> cincinnatus, I was using AndEngine for what I was doing, and used their SVG extension
Jun 10 00:28:17 <Ologn> cincinnatus, some people use this: https://github.com/pents90/svg-android but I am less familiar with it
Jun 10 01:02:13 <acidjazz> where do i setup gcm where i specify the server gcm hits to retrieve messges from the phone
Jun 10 01:02:22 <acidjazz> i figured out how to send em.. i need to recieve
Jun 10 01:38:23 <hwrd|work> Are <receiver android:enabled="@bool/foo" android:label="…" /> (aka qualified boolean resources) supported in AndroidManifest.xml?
Jun 10 01:46:09 <canadiancow> hwrd|work, i believe so
Jun 10 01:46:12 <canadiancow> should be easy enough to test
Jun 10 01:46:37 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: It seems to work, I'm just wondering why the documentation is incorrect
Jun 10 01:46:43 <canadiancow> ?
Jun 10 01:47:12 <hwrd|work> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/receiver-element.html
Jun 10 01:47:22 <hwrd|work> That only gives the options "true" or "false"
Jun 10 01:47:45 <hwrd|work> Whereas something like: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#attr_android:singleLine
Jun 10 01:47:58 <hwrd|work> says "can also be a reference to a resource"
Jun 10 01:48:19 <canadiancow> docs are open source... submit a fix :)
Jun 10 01:49:00 <hwrd|work> canadiancow: working on it!
Jun 10 02:33:03 <achuinard> How easy is it to use Roboto app-wide when using ABS?  I guess for <4.1 it doesn't matter, but is it just a few lines (in maybe a values-v11) file to get it working for 4.1+ devices?
Jun 10 02:34:11 <achuinard> Then again I have duplicate declarations in my values/styles.xml - i.e. item name="dropDownListViewStyle" and item name="android:dropDownListViewStyle"
Jun 10 02:34:57 <codebutler> achuinard: you can split that between two files. values/styles.xml, values-v11/styles.xml
Jun 10 02:35:02 <codebutler> this will avoid lint errors as well
Jun 10 02:35:37 <achuinard> can I reference @style/so_and_so from v11 if it's inside regular styles.xml?
Jun 10 02:35:57 <codebutler> yes, the qualified stuff will just override if available
Jun 10 02:36:10 <achuinard> and is v11 4.1+?
Jun 10 02:36:37 <codebutler> no that's honeycomb. see table here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html#ApiLevels
Jun 10 02:36:39 <achuinard> I'm thinking API 61?
Jun 10 02:36:40 <achuinard> 16?
Jun 10 02:48:31 <beastmanrage> how can i communicate with an activity from a service only if the activity is displayed?
Jun 10 02:53:04 <lahwran> I have an app thingy that I'd like to stick on android, preferably with minimal effort, entirely for personal use
Jun 10 02:53:30 <lahwran> it's written primarily in python (the backend), with an osx app that embeds webkit to display a page served from the python backend
Jun 10 02:53:51 <lahwran> said osx app provides some simple calls to communicate with the backend, that do the job of providing a very simple network connection
Jun 10 02:53:58 <lahwran> (I didn't want to use websockets :p)
Jun 10 02:54:26 <lahwran> how difficult would this be to stick on android? I'd ideally like to put the backend on the android device straight-up, which I can't figure out if is possible
Jun 10 02:54:55 <Zharf> http://code.google.com/p/python-for-android/  maybe
Jun 10 02:55:14 <lahwran> the problem I keep finding is that these python on android projects all assume you want an apk
Jun 10 02:55:56 <lahwran> which I would really rather not do if I can avoid it
Jun 10 02:56:21 <lahwran> I'd rather not make it more complex than doing a git pull to update to the latest version of the backend
Jun 10 02:57:10 <Zharf> you'll need some kind of app to run it
Jun 10 02:57:48 <lahwran> if I understand correctly, theoretically python could be put on the device straight-up, and just run like that
Jun 10 02:59:38 <Zharf> pretty much only if you rooted
Jun 10 02:59:46 <Zharf> or at least I can't think of any other way
Jun 10 02:59:54 <lahwran> how so? why would you need root?
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