**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 12 02:59:58 2013 Jun 12 03:01:49 <|0xD34D|> you could look at the source for the AOSP DeskClock app https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/DeskClock/+/master Jun 12 03:04:13 * pfn ponders ripping the stopwatch out of the aosp clock to make a lockscreen widget Jun 12 03:06:24 StingRay_: I'm trying to do it in getView. I'm not sure what I should be adding the padding to? The row I'm inflating, or the parent? Jun 12 03:06:41 Ugh. That's... definitely not beginner-level. Jun 12 03:07:24 ejcweb: you would not Jun 12 03:07:34 you would use layoutParams margin Jun 12 03:07:40 if you were doing that way Jun 12 03:07:45 but not a great idea Jun 12 03:07:57 better to have a subview of the item I think Jun 12 03:08:13 as in root > theviewyouwantopisswith > content of your item Jun 12 03:10:11 In the getView method, is the parent argument the ListView itself? Jun 12 03:10:34 There seems to be no documentation: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ArrayAdapter.html#getView(int, android.view.View, android.view.ViewGroup) Jun 12 03:11:36 I think it is, but why would you want that ? Jun 12 03:12:00 I was trying to understand the method call. Jun 12 03:14:54 wabz: it is just the database handle, and I have read that you can just leave it open, but part of me doesn't like that. I changed it to close the handle in onDestroy. Jun 12 03:15:06 and it seems to work just dandy now Jun 12 03:15:31 for example, iosched doesnt' close it Jun 12 03:15:40 unless the database is being deleted Jun 12 03:16:13 I see. Jun 12 03:16:34 Well if it gives me any trouble I'll take it out Jun 12 03:28:38 jasta did you really upgrade your ubuntu box ? Jun 12 03:29:48 i am right now, yes. Jun 12 03:30:02 apt made me reboot once before the dist-upgrade, mysteriously Jun 12 03:37:01 leag Jun 12 03:37:06 mistype Jun 12 03:51:13 Wrote a library to make it easier to set typefaces, directly from the XML layout... Jun 12 04:52:31 Does anyone know why the docs don't indicate that boolean resources can be used in the AndroidManifest? Jun 12 04:53:11 hwrd|work can they ? Jun 12 04:53:40 g00s: afaik, it works. I'm just wondering why it isn't documented Jun 12 04:53:48 didn't you pointed out something similar the other day? related to the manifest docs Jun 12 04:53:49 you can use @strings, etc - i would assume its ok Jun 12 04:53:59 danm undocumented functions taking our jobs! Jun 12 04:54:09 g00s: Something like Jun 12 04:54:20 seems legit Jun 12 04:55:55 I'm also wondering why no one has commented on my patch! https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/60217/ Jun 12 04:56:19 romainguy : did the raw process in Lr 5 change from Lr 4 (Process 2012) Jun 12 04:57:26 Is romainguy alive right now? Jun 12 05:01:29 hopefully somewhere, yeah Jun 12 05:01:31 he's probably busy playing with Lr5 Jun 12 05:01:33 otherwise we're all screwed Jun 12 05:04:40 oh, lightroom Jun 12 05:04:51 I had no idea what you were talking about :p Jun 12 05:05:06 I was like "Lr5? Is that some new android component or something?" Jun 12 05:05:20 :) Jun 12 05:05:37 g00s Jun 12 05:05:43 hey ron_frown Jun 12 05:05:58 internet out of your primary internet sources normal operating hours Jun 12 05:06:08 at neighbors :D Jun 12 05:06:27 if your at the neighbors why not just ask em for a wifi pass and use it from your house Jun 12 05:06:43 yeah, internet hours are strictly 10-8 M-Th, 10-6 Fr-Sat, 1-5 Sun now :D Jun 12 05:06:51 starbucks? Jun 12 05:06:53 oh, too far Jun 12 05:06:59 JesusFreke library Jun 12 05:07:02 ah Jun 12 05:07:06 fuckers are blocking skype Jun 12 05:07:13 the horror Jun 12 05:07:21 probably need to pony up for vpn Jun 12 05:07:44 or you know, get internet access to your home. Jun 12 05:08:14 dont have a home now :) Jun 12 05:08:22 long story :D Jun 12 05:08:27 hah, ok :) Jun 12 05:08:31 living free and large huh? Jun 12 05:08:40 The thought has crossed my mind before :) Jun 12 05:08:49 at least the lib isn't spoofing authentic site's certs Jun 12 05:08:51 JesusFreke: nah, he's trying to make a living from Android development... Jun 12 05:09:00 thats right Leeds ! Jun 12 05:09:33 at least you don't live near neighbors who use a jamming device to block 3g/wifi when it's past their kid's bedtimes Jun 12 05:09:44 I'm not much better - just trailer trash. Jun 12 05:10:03 JesusFreke this guy is my hero thomasbacklund.com Jun 12 05:10:06 granted, SF area trailer parks aren't exactly like trailer parks in the middle of nowhere, oklahoma Jun 12 05:10:10 isn't blocking 3G illegal, mostly? Jun 12 05:10:16 but where its cool enough to be here, there are bears - unlike his place Jun 12 05:10:53 g00s: yes, exactly that (the sort of thing I have thought about doing before) Jun 12 05:11:00 Leeds i would think so, pragma- wut ? Jun 12 05:11:02 never seriously considered it, but still :) Jun 12 05:11:39 JesusFreke can you hook up a bike trailer to a monocycle ? Jun 12 05:11:43 find out ! Jun 12 05:11:59 k, got like 20 minutes left to code Jun 12 05:12:02 I'm sure you could. but I doubt it would be very pleasant :) Jun 12 05:12:22 i'm not finding the link for the eclipse adt plugin. i'm not using the bundle. https://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html#ExistingIDE Jun 12 05:13:37 BullShark: https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/installing-adt.html Jun 12 05:13:53 thanks kakazza Jun 12 05:13:54 One click away from https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html Jun 12 05:13:59 Not sure where you got your link from Jun 12 05:14:25 navigating links but it seemed to be hidden in favor of adt bundle and android studio Jun 12 05:14:47 oh god why... the gas is just out of control Jun 12 05:15:00 ron_frown too many beans ? Jun 12 05:15:06 bean stalk Jun 12 05:15:11 0 beans that I recall Jun 12 05:16:06 Oh, was romain alive? Jun 12 05:16:42 i need jdbc on my ec2 instance (linux) how????? Jun 12 05:27:11 ron_frown if i have class Foo { interface Bar { String X } } } …. idea simply refuses to let me say Bar.X … (and add an import for Foo) … so everywhere i have to say Foo.Bar.X which is annoying, do you have any idea wth its doing ? Jun 12 05:29:28 no... but thats typical Jun 12 05:29:39 whoa Jun 12 05:29:40 c#? Jun 12 05:31:26 oh, it was Imports -> insert imports for inner classes Jun 12 05:32:42 gnight Jun 12 05:32:46 Hi, I've a problem with custom notification layouts. When I do notification.contentView.setTextViewText(" ..." ) , and then notify it with my notification manager with a specific ID, it affects all my notifications with different IDs Jun 12 05:34:38 I'm doing all of this in a service , creating my NotificationManager and NotificationCompact.Builder in onStart method, and then calling my function in which I run a thread and in that thread I change my notification contentView and notify it .... Jun 12 05:34:53 any Idea where the problem is ? Jun 12 05:36:49 I think some how I should use a copy of layout for each individual notification then changes are not applied to the same contentView, I've set the RemoteView in my thread but doesn't work, it gets worse Jun 12 06:26:58 onStart() is an odd place to do any of that Jun 12 06:27:06 for getting your NM, onCreate makes a lot more sense Jun 12 06:27:17 and you'd generally create the actual notification only when you want to use it Jun 12 06:40:04 ok, so I created a new branch in Android Studio and now I can't push it... Jun 12 06:47:17 This might be a bug, when I created a new local branch in Android Studio, made changes, and tried to commit and push the changes remotly it would not create the new branch in my bitbucket server, I had to use git CLI to push to remote, after the branch was created remotly Android Studio is able to push to it. Jun 12 06:51:26 shiz Jun 12 07:43:57 Snicers-Work: try to see if you can push it from the command line Jun 12 07:44:08 Snicers-Work: git push -v remote_name branch_name Jun 12 07:46:32 how can I check from my app, if some other app is installed? Jun 12 07:53:26 hmm, did anyone have to deal with proguard messing up string ids? Jun 12 08:19:25 can someone tell me what is wrong with this code? http://pastebin.com/CswgDWAP - the imageview returns blank in my listView Jun 12 08:19:49 * Achillion is a noob Jun 12 08:19:56 I'll get back to you when I go pro Jun 12 08:32:55 hello. I have a lengthy but important question. anyone wants to participate for 150 points bountry ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot Jun 12 08:36:24 omid8bimo: |returns blank| ? ... you mean hits line 22 (avoids setting image bitmap?) Jun 12 08:38:29 capella: yes. returns black. i think i hit line 22. by the way, ignore the line 18 (wrong paste!), also the Log.d returns "images: file:///storage/sdcard0/DCIM/OrangeClubPhotos/1370853592867.jpg" Jun 12 08:39:01 hey guys... i have a question about merchant accounts Jun 12 08:39:24 in the list for supported locations for merchants is a bunch of countries Jun 12 08:39:52 my question is... do i just need a bank account in that country? do i have to be a citizen of that country? do i need a visa for that country? Jun 12 08:40:25 alegen: in reality? Bank account and credit card attached to it Jun 12 08:41:09 does it have to be credit or can it also be debit? Jun 12 08:41:24 alegen: probably can be debit, at least VISA and such work Jun 12 08:41:37 p_l: ok thanks! :D Jun 12 08:43:03 alegen, before earning bunch of money I'd check with Play TOS though, would suck to get a profitable Play account suspended Jun 12 08:45:04 Mavrik: ok, will go through it too... thing is that i`m a student in a country which is on that list, but my home country is not... Jun 12 08:45:13 Hello all Beginners welcome here or is there another channel available? Jun 12 08:45:41 skyz99, we eat beginners for breakfast with mustard and some broccoli salad Jun 12 08:45:44 skyz99: here i guess Jun 12 08:45:48 lol Jun 12 08:46:03 in truth, are we not all beginners in some sense Jun 12 08:46:09 anyway, ask away just PLEASE don't ask stuff that's answered on first page of d.android.com articles -_- Jun 12 08:46:19 Is there another channel then? Jun 12 08:46:43 no, this is the channel - just don't be too dumb :) Jun 12 08:47:01 in general it is okay, skyz99 - as long as you google before eyou ask Jun 12 08:47:03 *you Jun 12 08:47:07 alegen, that should be ok then :) Jun 12 08:47:19 Ok sounds good. Im a redditor so I can kinda guess what not to ask. Jun 12 08:47:40 heh, welcome, fellow redditor :) Jun 12 08:47:47 Mavrik: thanks :) Jun 12 08:47:51 alegen: if you're a student in a supported country and have things like a local address, bank account and card, you should be fine - just note that if/when you leave you probably would have to keep your accounts active if you wanted to keep that app publisher account active Jun 12 08:48:33 Thank you YuviPanda Jun 12 08:57:15 * capella laughs |don't be too dumb| ... is that some corporate motto? :P Jun 12 08:58:54 For Google Games, has anyone found in the docs a more straight forward way to get the achievemnet progress for a current signed in player? Jun 12 08:59:10 The only way I see is fetching all achievements and iterating over them. Jun 12 09:45:17 in custom grid adapter ... when you recycle a convertView I use setTag and getTag to get the view from layout .... this works fine as long as i only have one textView for each cell ... now i want to add imageview as well but cant figure out how to recycle both views then.... Jun 12 09:45:47 can i use settag and gettag twice ..... but i pass no parameter to getTag so how does it know which one to get Jun 12 09:48:33 i read somewhere calling findViewById in every loop interation is too slow so you need to recyle the view, but how do you recyle two views? Jun 12 09:53:01 you just need to keep references to both views in your view holder object Jun 12 09:53:02 http://developer.android.com/training/improving-layouts/smooth-scrolling.html#ViewHolder Jun 12 09:53:12 something is wrong with my setViewValue -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17060872/setting-imageview-from-cursor/17061724 can someone help? Jun 12 09:53:38 viewholder ... that's the keyword. thanks karlo|w i'll check it out Jun 12 09:56:28 I am trying to translate a ListView when the user taps and drags the view. I was able to implement this using the view.setX(value) api but since this API is not available for android versions below 3.0 it does not work on them. Is there another way to do this? Jun 12 09:56:56 The ListView is from a ListFragment and added inside a FrameLayout Jun 12 09:57:55 hm, eclipse doesn't know where to import viewHolder from ... it's offering support library and change to ViewPager, ViewBinder or ViewSwitcher .... Jun 12 09:58:50 primski: it's just a pattern, you have to create such class by yourself, usually as inner class in your adapter Jun 12 09:58:55 oh wait ... i just need to create this simple class ..... Jun 12 09:58:59 aha ok, i'll try Jun 12 09:59:38 vivek_rk: maybe take a look what NineOldAndroids does for translate animations for Android 2 Jun 12 10:01:39 @karlo|w: Thanks. I will check it out. :) Jun 12 10:04:49 ok got it working thanks karlo|w Jun 12 10:05:29 What are optimizations to make a view start faster? I heard something about excluding it from the recent apps and using a different theme. What are your suggestions? Jun 12 10:10:30 Nobody knows any tricks for this? Jun 12 10:16:19 marrrk, what exactly are you trying to optimise? View is a pretty general term Jun 12 10:17:17 hey guys Jun 12 10:17:23 I have a funky question Jun 12 10:17:50 the app I inherited displays the resulting fragments as just the results of an http request Jun 12 10:17:53 I'm making a lock screen replacement. I want my lock screen to come up immediately once the user locks the screen, such that when he or she unlocks he or she will be greeted by it. Jun 12 10:18:00 presumably not the best but that's what I have at the moment Jun 12 10:18:09 one of the requests requires an authtoken Jun 12 10:18:34 That works alright however if somebody locks and unlocks quite fast the lock screen does not come up at all. I want to minimize the time interval in which this can happen. Jun 12 10:18:48 so my activity is storing the authtoken and then when someone clicks on the correct list item this activity can make that next http request with the authtoken Jun 12 10:19:32 but my problem right now is...in my callback that gets the notification that the user logged in and gets the authtoken Jun 12 10:19:48 I have if(mFragment == null) and it seems to be triggering all the time Jun 12 10:21:35 the callback get triggered inside a dialog fragment so I think the mFragment is still there...just in the background Jun 12 10:21:38 like...I can see it Jun 12 10:25:01 ProgramMax: fragment.is* Jun 12 10:25:10 there are some methods that might be helpful Jun 12 10:26:00 but to be honest, the solution your predecessor left you with sounds a bit "dirty". you'd be better of rewriting parts of it to fit your needs Jun 12 10:26:04 imhp Jun 12 10:26:07 imho* Jun 12 10:26:20 I definitely agree Jun 12 10:26:28 I don't yet know the right way to do it Jun 12 10:26:33 so maybe you can help me with that Jun 12 10:26:41 while I check this fragment.is* Jun 12 10:27:16 All this fragment stuff is horribly annoying. Jun 12 10:27:22 well, there are some relevant methods like isVisible() Jun 12 10:27:25 marrrk: how so? Jun 12 10:28:45 Because it is too complicated for my head. What was more or less easy before now needs a few more classes than before and I still don't get what for. Jun 12 10:29:06 marrrk: it's called "seperation of concerns" Jun 12 10:29:12 and modular development Jun 12 10:29:39 right now my dialog fragment has an onAttach that takes an activity Jun 12 10:29:40 In what way do fragments provide that? Jun 12 10:29:47 and it is keeping that activity as a listener for the callbacks Jun 12 10:30:19 any way I could like...take the fragment as a listener? Call a callback on that other fragment? Jun 12 10:30:26 marrrk: are you trolling me? or is your question meant to be taken seriously Jun 12 10:30:38 I am not trolling you. I told you I don't understand it yet. Jun 12 10:31:04 I'm just always trying to use Fragments because "you're supposed to" but I've never felt, yeah this is really better now. Jun 12 10:32:03 So for example I have a settings view which now loads a settings fragment. And if I understand it correctly, before I would have just put everything that's in the SettingsFragment inside the SettingsActivity. Jun 12 10:32:04 marrrk: http://developer.android.com/images/fundamentals/fragments.png that explains modularity and separation of concerns in an android sense Jun 12 10:32:22 marrrk: fragments are more reusable Jun 12 10:32:32 What if I don't want my app to run on a tablet in the first place? Jun 12 10:33:15 I mean that isn't the only reason for fragments, right? Jun 12 10:33:18 fragments are supported by the android support library, backwards compatible to 1.6 Jun 12 10:33:43 marrrk: android does not "know" tablets, it knows devices. anyhow, supporting multiple device sizes is not the only reason to use fragments. Jun 12 10:33:45 fragments should make your life easier Jun 12 10:33:51 regardless of device Jun 12 10:33:55 first of all, fragments don't need to provide a view Jun 12 10:34:07 secondly, you have more power over the backstack Jun 12 10:34:29 fragments are logical units of UI, giving you better leverage through OOP's principle of composition Jun 12 10:34:40 in addition, swapping two fragments (which have already been initialized before) is less pricy than starting an activity Jun 12 10:34:46 ^^ Jun 12 10:35:09 marrrk: do you need more reasons? because i could go on for hours Jun 12 10:35:28 What if I just did setContentView with another xml instead of getting a Fragment manager? Jun 12 10:35:52 brb lunch Jun 12 10:36:39 siyb: could you come up with few more? (interested) Jun 12 10:37:02 The first of all one isn't even a reason Jun 12 10:38:03 Thus, so far we have "more power over the back stack" Jun 12 10:38:10 Which I do accept. Jun 12 10:39:09 What should I commit to a repository besides source files for an android project? (using Android studio) Jun 12 10:40:47 marrrk: exactly. I'm interested in fragments vs views, not really fragments vs activities Jun 12 10:45:33 Hi. Is it permissible and "within scope" to ask about Android development contract rates here? Jun 12 10:47:13 maroloccio I would say yes Jun 12 10:49:22 you are not supposed to make repeated calls to setContentView Jun 12 10:49:41 Hey all. Jun 12 10:49:51 if you are doing this, it means your software design is flawed Jun 12 10:50:57 the basic idea of the fragment for non-fragmentation purposes is let's you have a splash screen, a login and a main user screen. typically in the past those might have been distinct activities using bundles in the intent to set off various whatever Jun 12 10:51:15 now you can have one activity host each discrete piece of ui by leveraging it through fragments Jun 12 10:51:27 I have a tree-like structure to display (parent, children, no sub-children), but the ExpandableListView wastes a lot of space on landscape or large-screen devices. Can anyone suggest an alternative? Jun 12 10:51:38 what's more is you can have cross talk between fragments (ie don't need intents, can directly access info in a living fragment, etc) Jun 12 10:52:32 and each fragment will serve (i could be wrong on the terminology) the appropiate encapsulation of controller-view Jun 12 10:53:16 Lachezar can you post up on some screen shots ? Jun 12 10:55:26 lasserix: Doh, will have to create some, basically all the text sticks to the left, leaving lots of unused space to the right. Jun 12 10:56:10 hrmmm I'm not sure where in my app the loading indicator is hidden Jun 12 10:56:17 I see this inside a fragment's onCreateView: Jun 12 10:56:34 final ImageView loadingIndicator = (ImageView)view.findViewById(android.R.id.empty); Jun 12 10:56:46 loadingIndicator.post(() -> { Jun 12 10:57:01 AnimationDrawable drawable = (AnimationDrawable)loadingIndicator.getDrawable(); Jun 12 10:57:05 drawable.start(); Jun 12 10:57:09 }); Jun 12 10:57:27 Lachezar: heh, thought so--ads? details? Jun 12 10:57:40 preview? Jun 12 10:58:49 lasserix but that sounds like that if the use cases that you were just talking about don't apply to your case you might just as well use activities/views instead of fragments Jun 12 10:59:12 when i delete an apps data in the settings is there a guarantee that the app will be restarted? Jun 12 11:00:29 karlo|w: reduction of coupling (in combination with LocalBroadcastManager), code reuse (even without considering device diversity e.g. dialogs, other projects), testability, maintainability, etc Jun 12 11:03:00 "If I install an App, does it ever start with Data?" Jun 12 11:03:59 karlo|w: you cannot compare fragments and views in my opion. views are views, fragments and activities resemble controllers Jun 12 11:05:31 What does the LocalBroadcastManager do? Jun 12 11:05:43 you can have fragments entirely without views Jun 12 11:06:10 like a mini-service Jun 12 11:06:16 sounds reasonable Jun 12 11:06:38 lasserix: I'll go whip-up an example :( Jun 12 11:06:43 marrrk: it allows you to send broadcasts locally (within your app) Jun 12 11:07:04 any ideas how that loading indicator might get hidden? Jun 12 11:07:11 marrk: the whole point of fragments is to be encapsulated quasi-activity views Jun 12 11:07:34 Is that the preferred way of sending messages around between some instances? I wondered about this the other day, whether it's a good idea to use a broadcast when you know there will be only one listener for it any given time. Jun 12 11:07:53 marrrk: what i like to do in my projects: have an activity which functions as a container, have fragments communicate with each other using the LocalBroadcastManager. register/unregister callbacks in onResume / onPause respectivly Jun 12 11:08:13 i was just giving an example, its fairly easy to handle them so any inertial resistance to using them is just laziness imho ( i made some arguments in my head as you are making, previousily in my coding life ) Jun 12 11:08:37 marrrk: i use broadcasts excessivly, imho it's better to use LocalBroadcastManager than having to establish listener links in between instances Jun 12 11:09:20 android:translationX in View .... what value does it take in xml file ? it says float but how do i format that? Jun 12 11:09:36 marrrk: because LocalBroadcastManager acts like a mediator, and because all fragments then depend on LocalBroadcastManager rather than N other fragment instances Jun 12 11:09:45 For me the biggest concern was really the name BROADcast. It feels like there is unnecessary overhead. Jun 12 11:10:08 marrrk: LocalBroadcastManager has a "local" (application) scope Jun 12 11:10:22 i tried android:translationX="0.0" android:translationX="0" android:translationX=0 android:translationX=0.0 - build error ... Jun 12 11:10:24 it's basically a loop with an intent matcher Jun 12 11:11:32 how can i get a column of returned cursor used in simplecursoradapter's setViewValue? Jun 12 11:11:45 Okay, I might try to do it that way. It would be so nice if I could make my Keyboard a singleton Jun 12 11:11:53 the only downside: it does not support sticky broadcasts and ordered broadcasts yet, i have written a wrapper to implement those features Jun 12 11:14:02 ah it has to be with dp android:translationX="0dp" Jun 12 11:14:14 hrmmm so I have a service receiver that is parsing the results of the http request Jun 12 11:14:26 it gets an empty object and doesn't add anything to the list that it returns Jun 12 11:14:29 so it just returns an empty list Jun 12 11:14:38 when I do that, the loading indicator keeps spinning Jun 12 11:14:54 but as soon as I force an item into the list by hard-coding it, the loading indicator goes away Jun 12 11:16:54 the only place in the code that has "> 0" or ">= 1" Jun 12 11:17:05 there is a place in the fragment that gets onComplete with that list Jun 12 11:17:20 and it has if(thatList.size() >= 1){ mListView.setSelection(0); } Jun 12 11:17:32 I doubt setting the selection is what is doing that Jun 12 11:19:31 changing it to >= 0 doesn't fix it Jun 12 11:19:36 I don't think it is that Jun 12 11:20:48 omg Jun 12 11:20:51 I think I see Jun 12 11:20:57 in the fragment's xml Jun 12 11:21:06 there is a listview with the items Jun 12 11:21:18 then there is also an imageview with the loading animation Jun 12 11:21:39 so maybe when the list view gets filled, it fills the parent's area and just pushes the loading indicator down? Jun 12 11:22:26 Been trying to figure out which files I need to share or commit to a CVS. I want to commit the minimum amount of files that still allow the project to be imported, compiled and run. Jun 12 11:22:33 msch: Mind you, I am not a recruiter, at all. I would just like to ask about contract rates for an Android development job in Europe. /msg me privately if you either are one such developer or you know about one. Again: no spam, genuine interest and an actual project. Jun 12 11:23:16 Obviously, all source .java files should be in there and the AndroidManifest. Resources under build/ are also required (right?). What else? Jun 12 11:27:13 http://pastebin.com/4YQ3H715 Jun 12 11:27:19 is that the normal way to do a loading indicator? Jun 12 11:27:49 (with some code that sets an AnimationDrawable on it Jun 12 11:28:09 I'm not sure what to look for to figure out when the loading animation is hidden/stopped Jun 12 11:39:01 Interesting, I did not expect to get such a low response.. how should I have asked instead? Jun 12 11:42:43 maybe just pop up in the channel and say "What's the going rate for an android dev these days?" :) Jun 12 11:44:29 Achillion: Thank you. Jun 12 11:44:39 IRC is weird when it comes to pleasantries. People usually prefer forwardness and "getting to the point" Jun 12 11:44:40 Hi guys.. what's the going rate for an android dev these days? Jun 12 11:45:54 I would expect it's not very different from any other kind of software project, but I'm new to the scene so I really can't say with any certainty. Jun 12 11:48:06 The topic does say "No advertising please, jobs or otherwise".. but I am.. _not_ advertising? Never mind, thanks anyway guys to the couple who at least answered. Jun 12 11:54:27 lasserix: RE: Here is a picture of an expandable list on a large-landscape: http://postimg.org/image/rjrckybq5/ Jun 12 11:55:11 lachezar: can you describe what the content is about? Jun 12 11:55:26 basically you can center it and crop the sides so it stands out Jun 12 11:55:45 but if you want to utilize the extra space, it might be useful to put some kind of details on the RHS Jun 12 11:55:54 but that depends on whatever the actual data is Jun 12 11:56:04 lasserix: I would like to make better use of the available space. Centering won't do it. Jun 12 11:56:22 lock it in portrait :) Jun 12 11:56:33 um Jun 12 11:56:33 lasserix: I can only lock it in landscape! Jun 12 11:56:39 what happens when you click a child? Jun 12 11:56:57 lasserix: nothing. It's supposed to display the list only. Jun 12 11:57:09 lasserix: It's on a TV screen: no-no for portrait! Jun 12 11:57:17 oh Jun 12 11:57:32 put some kind of meta information per row on the right? Jun 12 11:57:53 lasserix: It's a report: a list of shipments, with a list of parcels for each (just a number), and an icon: whether it's there or not., Jun 12 11:58:20 lasserix: I'd like to show more elements, not more details for the elements. Jun 12 12:00:01 shhort of making two lists side by side idk Jun 12 12:00:53 lasserix: I've considered multiple lists, but those would have to be 'disconnected' from each other (very one with its own scroll, etc.) Jun 12 12:02:00 yeah just two list views Jun 12 12:02:14 figure out where to segment your data set Jun 12 12:02:43 althought that's a little --unorthodox? Jun 12 12:02:53 funny a guy had the same problem a while back with server-item game info Jun 12 12:06:40 lasserix: I'd think this is a common problem: displaying tree data on a wide screen... It's not just Android, it's more basic than that. Jun 12 12:08:06 yeah Jun 12 12:08:19 lasserix: Something like an ExpandableGridView? Jun 12 12:08:28 ahh Jun 12 12:08:30 that would be good Jun 12 12:08:35 lasserix: That... Yeah... Jun 12 12:08:44 then you can use a dialog on click that pops up with details or whatever Jun 12 12:08:57 though is this for industry or general user? Jun 12 12:09:08 lasserix: When you 'click' an item to open it, it should 'add' a new 'row' or 'column' to display the children in. Jun 12 12:09:09 because i personally dislike gridview for textual stuff Jun 12 12:09:26 ahh Jun 12 12:09:44 so like gridview of the subset of childern in the listview of parents ;p Jun 12 12:09:55 that's a piece of work ;p Jun 12 12:10:16 lasserix: I was thinking a griv view of parents, with sub-grids for the children. Jun 12 12:10:51 lasserix: Oh... I've seen similar: the Image Search in Google :):):) Jun 12 12:11:09 lasserix: Click an image in the grid, and it inserts a new row with the details... Jun 12 12:11:48 lasserix: The new row could easily display anything, including a list or grid... Nah... That's beyond my abilities (I think). Jun 12 12:14:14 I'm off to looking for a solution... Jun 12 12:15:04 not beyond your abilities, but a little bit of a intractable sub-project ;p Jun 12 12:16:21 lasserix: Pretty much yes, I think I can do it, but it would take me... an awful lot. Jun 12 12:19:58 how do i send variables from an activity to a service so i can use that value in " public void onCreate()" Jun 12 12:20:26 is there an option to compress a bitmap to jpeg and apply a bilinear filter to it Jun 12 12:20:29 ? Jun 12 12:20:43 using the android bitmap api Jun 12 12:22:37 anny__, bilineral filtering comes into effect when you scale it Jun 12 12:22:40 not when you compress it Jun 12 12:22:59 if you say "true" to filter parameter when scaling you'll get bilinear filtering when scaling the bitmap Jun 12 12:23:05 Lachezar: just make the text bigger! Jun 12 12:23:18 you said it's for display on a tv right? Jun 12 12:23:28 just make it easier to read and call it day :) Jun 12 12:25:10 rved: onStartCommand(..) / onBind(..) both get the intent used to start / bind the service Jun 12 12:25:29 you can transport arbitrary data using the intent Jun 12 12:25:39 hello. I have a lengthy but important question. anyone wants to participate for 150 points bountry ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot Jun 12 12:46:38 lasserix: I think I got an idea: LinearLayout[GridView, DetailView, GridView] In the top grid I'll display the items before the selected, in the bottom grid I'll display the items after the selected, and in between the children/details of the selected item. Jun 12 12:47:17 lasserix: No custom views needed, just some Adapter juggling. Jun 12 12:49:12 ahh nice Jun 12 12:49:21 KISS all the way :) Jun 12 12:52:19 KISS \o/ Jun 12 12:52:27 no, not the band Jun 12 13:21:09 Afternoon developers! Does anyone have a good experiance with ORM on android? and combining it with a content provider? Jun 12 13:22:14 ClockworkAnt: I've had good luck with https://github.com/mitmel/SimpleContentProvider Jun 12 13:22:58 thanks pjdelport, any tutorials or are the docs and source enough to learn from? Jun 12 13:26:17 ClockworkAnt: http://mel-tools.mit.edu/code/SimpleContentProvider/doc/edu/mit/mobile/android/content/SimpleContentProvider.html should have enough to get you started Jun 12 13:26:26 along with the other references from the README Jun 12 13:26:59 you'll want to be at least somewhat familiar with http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/content-provider-creating.html Jun 12 13:27:34 SimpleContentProvider avoids the need for almost all that boilerplate, though Jun 12 13:29:06 you'll want one subclass of SimpleContentProvider for your app, with a bunch of ContentItem subclasses for each table / directory Jun 12 13:41:21 is there anyone around whos done drop box sdk stuff? I have an app that works, but it rather often requires me to regrant access to the folder tha the app itself created.. Jun 12 13:43:22 hello all Jun 12 13:43:32 how to create Parcel Jun 12 13:43:40 for copying Parcelable object Jun 12 13:43:56 is there an easy way to set the threshold for long press detection? i want to make it faster (i.e set the threshold lower) Jun 12 13:51:57 Hello, I'm implementing GCM between my server and the app. I always receive a pushnotification when the app is running or even when the onDestroy() is called, but when onDestroy() is called and the user clicks on the push notification message, what should I do to show the message in the TextView Jun 12 13:52:21 I'm trying to have a square camera preview like the instagram app, which works fine in portrait mode.. but when I rotate to landscape the image is squashed Jun 12 13:53:10 What is the location of /sdcard/Android/obb from within adb shell for 4.2+ ? Jun 12 13:53:17 So I can put files in there as a developer Jun 12 13:57:01 xastey: I'm not sure, but did you already look at Camera.setDisplayOrientation(int)? Jun 12 13:57:09 yes to 90 Jun 12 13:59:23 Should I store the message somewhere or what should I do Jun 12 13:59:41 how to do copy of object implements Parcelable? Jun 12 14:01:01 I've got a bunch of buttons inside a linearlayout inside a linear layout (rolling my own keypad) it's giving me a lint warning saying that "buttons in button bars should be borderless" what is this button bar business and why does it think I have one? I tried just using the style, but that made my button borderless. Jun 12 14:05:58 pjdelport: thanks for the information, I've written my own contentprovider before however its an awful lot of boilerplate code! I'll look at this project, thank you again!! Jun 12 14:06:46 I want to comply with the standard, but I don't see how I can make a keypad of sorts without borders to the buttons. Jun 12 14:12:39 is anyone here aware of the existence of an open source country code picker, to select a phone country prefix? Jun 12 14:14:28 xplosivant: i would guess libphonenumber has something like that Jun 12 14:14:33 but i haven't used it myself Jun 12 14:15:35 I'll check it out, thanks! Jun 12 14:21:31 libphonenumber is actually extremely interesting Jun 12 14:22:04 I was hoping to find an Android control with a list picker with flags and everything though :) Jun 12 14:25:31 I can never seem to grasp the layouts properly. I needed RelativeLayout but it made my button lower. What must I do? http://pastebin.com/nih93MkU Jun 12 14:52:30 so.. how do you usually do the application launch on an app that needs to show a login screen if authentication info is missing? Jun 12 14:53:50 i can only think of pretty ugly ways to do this, e.g. having a "launch activity" that launches either the login activity or the main activity depending if the user has already logged in Jun 12 14:54:21 how to make copy of object implements Parcelable? Jun 12 14:55:44 hi Jun 12 14:56:08 what pull to refresh would you suggest me to use for compatibility with ios5 ? Jun 12 14:56:19 hrnt: very good question, I've often wondered this myself Jun 12 14:56:32 hrnt, I have a "similar" situation where I have an activity to choose a server and another to actually use stuff on that chosen server... but I always launch the chooser activity and that activity launches the actual main activity thing if it has enough info on which server is supposed to be used Jun 12 14:56:47 hrnt, I haven't found a good solution Jun 12 14:57:01 hrnt: Just use fragments Jun 12 14:57:05 I usually launch into the app and main activity replaces itself with login activity if user is not authenticate Jun 12 14:57:06