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Jun 15 03:05:24 <Norrin> so what's the best way to do automated tests for android-dev?
Jun 15 03:05:41 <Norrin> something that could fit into a TDD workflow
Jun 15 03:05:43 * capella hmmm ... not throwing ... so I think kevinb got it with |silently fails if the view is not attached to a window when the post is done|
Jun 15 03:06:19 <kevinb> i remembered it did one of those things, couldn't remember which
Jun 15 03:09:08 <BHSPitMonkey> I'm wondering what the best way is to achieve something like the Google TV Youtube app, which constantly listens for connections in the background
Jun 15 03:10:00 <BHSPitMonkey> I was thinking I'd need to request RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED and start a process upon startup, but I see that the GTV YT app doesn't use that permission
Jun 15 03:16:56 <capella> well its a little uglier ... "boiled down better" http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2525919
Jun 15 03:16:57 <capella> Log line |<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<| may or may not run depending on timing of my shutdown / restart processing
Jun 15 03:22:36 <kevinb> design wise, you're probably putting more logic than you should in the view. It'd probably be cleaner as a fragment, with it's own handler that can run regardless of the view's attached state. If you want to keep just using a view, you can still create your own handler there that you know will stick around regardless of the attached state.
Jun 15 03:27:12 <capella> Yah, I'm trying to backup to the original intent ... (didn't write it) ... it actually is part of a larger fragment ... checking its onAttach() and onDetach() timings now ...
Jun 15 03:27:58 <capella> and by |original intent| I mean design, not Intent
Jun 15 03:29:58 <capella> problem started while examining behaviour of App when user sets System |don't keep activities|
Jun 15 03:31:49 <Norrin> so what's the best way to do automated tests for android-dev?
Jun 15 03:32:05 <Norrin> codebutler ^
Jun 15 03:32:11 <Norrin> StingRay_ ^
Jun 15 03:44:24 <capella> jUnit ??
Jun 15 03:47:47 <g00s> i want a loon antenna !
Jun 15 03:47:59 <Abhijit> hi. in this app https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/5-0-radio-police-scanner-lite/id356336433?mt=8 what is the keyword using which i can search images on google where keyword = name of that image which in under the text "LAPD - Citywide Dispatch and Hot Shots/Code 3"
Jun 15 03:48:24 <Abhijit> os*
Jun 15 03:48:26 <Abhijit> is*
Jun 15 03:50:11 <codebutler> Norrin: just use the android instrumentation stuff.
Jun 15 03:51:30 <g00s> good old junir 3
Jun 15 03:51:35 <g00s> *junit
Jun 15 03:51:43 * capella I said it first
Jun 15 03:51:50 <capella> :p
Jun 15 03:52:33 <g00s> capella i think the testNG guy works on the android team
Jun 15 03:52:39 <g00s> or he did
Jun 15 03:53:43 <capella> ? testing guy?
Jun 15 03:55:04 <g00s> yeah, he designed TestNG
Jun 15 03:58:22 <Sircle> hello. I have a lengthy but important question. had answers, stating here to share and get different views.  anyone wants to participate for 150 points bountry ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 15 03:59:10 <Norrin> capella, codebutler, will look into those
Jun 15 03:59:25 <danl> I am new to this, how do you know what you need to declare permissions for in your manifest?
Jun 15 03:59:55 <Norrin> if the docs say it needs a permission
Jun 15 04:00:50 <danl> Okay
Jun 15 04:01:10 <Norrin> danl, yo, i'm a newb.  that's just the common sense answer to me
Jun 15 04:01:19 <danl> I haven
Jun 15 04:01:49 <capella> or you could write code and if it fails say to yourself hmmm ... i wonder if I need to declare permissions for in my manifest?
Jun 15 04:02:00 <danl> capella: that was what I was thinking
Jun 15 04:02:06 <capella> I did that once but thats the hard way XD
Jun 15 04:02:08 <danl> <.<
Jun 15 04:03:38 <Abhijit> "Which" keyword i can use to search google images to get background exactly like this one http://imagebin.org/261413
Jun 15 04:03:46 <Abhijit> to use in my own app
Jun 15 04:04:31 <g00s> those look like stiples
Jun 15 04:05:25 <g00s> stipple
Jun 15 04:06:52 <Abhijit> ok
Jun 15 04:13:28 <tnzr> very iOS
Jun 15 04:17:49 <capella> niples?
Jun 15 05:18:52 <Sircle> hello. I have a lengthy but important question. had answers, stating here to share and get different views.  anyone wants to participate for 150 points bountry ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17005837/persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-and-also-starts-at-boot
Jun 15 05:38:45 <danl> Is there an api for checking whether a device uses softkeys, or would I need to peak at the build.prop?
Jun 15 05:39:18 <pjdelport> anyone here familiar with repo? I'm trying to check out a Gerrit patchset, and already asked on #android
Jun 15 05:39:37 <pjdelport> I'm following this instruction: http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html#downloading-changes-from-gerrit
Jun 15 05:40:45 <pjdelport> but the repo tool is just giving me "error: project <change-id> not found"
Jun 15 05:42:59 <pjdelport> how should I be invoking it?
Jun 15 05:46:24 <pjdelport> ah, got it; it should be the id in the review URL, not the Change-Id
Jun 15 06:01:55 <JakeWharton> anyone have experience with renderscript? I can't seem to make my surfaceview translucent despite the seemingly simple instructions
Jun 15 06:02:00 * JakeWharton prepares for crickets
Jun 15 06:03:28 <capella> kevinb: Thanks for earlier ... I isolated it ... View.post() returns a result boolean, but might
Jun 15 06:03:30 <capella>    // Assume that post will succeed later
Jun 15 06:03:31 <capella>    return true;
Jun 15 06:06:27 <JakeWharton> it's pretty amusing that Renderscript had to pivot to compute
Jun 15 06:44:06 <BHSPitMonkey> I'm trying to create a simple Service that can receive "Share" (action.SEND) intents
Jun 15 06:44:41 <pjdelport> BHSPitMonkey: A service or an activity?
Jun 15 06:44:43 <BHSPitMonkey> I threw the appropriate intent-filter into the <service> tag in the manifest, but my app isn't appearing in the list when I try to share something
Jun 15 06:44:46 <BHSPitMonkey> pjdelport: Service
Jun 15 06:45:22 <BHSPitMonkey> I get the impression this is easier done with activities, but I'm not looking to have a UI appear when you share something with this service
Jun 15 06:45:31 <BHSPitMonkey> just want some invisible code to execute
Jun 15 06:46:00 <pjdelport> I think you'll need an activity to receive the intent and bounce things off to the service
Jun 15 06:46:29 <BHSPitMonkey> are you certain? intent filters are supposed to work with activites, services, and broadcast receivers alike
Jun 15 06:47:05 <pjdelport> They work analogously, but they're different sets of intents.
Jun 15 06:48:06 <BHSPitMonkey> okay
Jun 15 06:48:29 <pjdelport> Intents are used for a number of non-overlapping things; they're not a universal common bus, or anything like that.
Jun 15 06:48:34 <BHSPitMonkey> I just looked at a "Copy to Clipboard" sharing target example, and it indeed uses an Activity
Jun 15 06:48:41 <BHSPitMonkey> I guess they would have used a Service if it were possible
Jun 15 06:48:53 <pjdelport> e.g. the intent filters associated with services are used when you call startService()
Jun 15 06:49:11 <BHSPitMonkey> pjdelport: yeah, that made me suspect that might be the case
Jun 15 06:49:33 <pjdelport> right; in those cases, the intents are specifically for launching activities
Jun 15 06:51:49 <pjdelport> in a simplified nutshell, startActivity(intent) will go and find all activities that are available, and then filter them by whether they're interested in that intent
Jun 15 06:53:04 <pjdelport> the intent filters attached to each activity are purely passive metadata; it's only startActivity() that gives them any meaning/behavior
Jun 15 06:53:13 <pjdelport> by looking at them
Jun 15 06:54:04 <pjdelport> same for startService(), etc.
Jun 15 06:56:27 <BHSPitMonkey> pjdelport: so is there a way to make this activity not present a UI?
Jun 15 06:58:07 <pjdelport> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2704084/how-to-launch-an-activity-without-a-ui
Jun 15 06:59:36 <pjdelport> something along those lines
Jun 15 07:00:16 <BHSPitMonkey> hmm yeah, looks like I need to go with the Translucent.NoTitleBar hack since I don't have control over how the intent is getting shipped out
Jun 15 07:01:03 <BHSPitMonkey> actually no, I bet I can use NoDisplay because this isn't the same activity I'm using for my app drawer launcher.
Jun 15 07:01:36 <BHSPitMonkey> success! thanks a bunch, pjdelport
Jun 15 07:05:04 <pjdelport> BHSPitMonkey: I think the Theme.NoDisplay theme is better for that
Jun 15 07:05:13 <BHSPitMonkey> pjdelport: yep
Jun 15 07:05:14 <pjdelport> it's specifically for activities without UI
Jun 15 07:05:29 <pjdelport> ah, right, yes
Jun 15 07:05:41 <pjdelport> and yeah, you'll want them to be separate activities
Jun 15 07:06:00 <BHSPitMonkey> fortunately that's how I want things organized anyway
Jun 15 07:08:05 <bottiger> How can I make the content of a <style> element depend on the current theme
Jun 15 07:27:41 <BHSPitMonkey> bottiger: I think you'll need to find a code-based equivalent for setting the style
Jun 15 07:27:52 <BHSPitMonkey> the XML declarations are static
Jun 15 07:30:55 <pjdelport> bottiger: there isn't really a technical distinction between styles and themes
Jun 15 07:32:03 <pjdelport> your <style> element itself is what would define the theme(s) in question
Jun 15 07:33:13 <pjdelport> however, the items in your style (e.g. a base widget style) can be set to attributes that are defined in other styles (like a theme style)
Jun 15 07:33:37 <pjdelport> that's how the system themes do a lot of things
Jun 15 08:13:48 <Mement> Hello
Jun 15 08:14:25 <Mement> Currently developing for a while on android using Eclipse. However, I'm looking for a diferent emulator than the default one or Bluestacks. Any recommendations?
Jun 15 08:18:41 <pjdelport> not a recommendation (i haven't used it), but have you looked at AndroVM?
Jun 15 08:21:02 <Mement> Not yet no
Jun 15 08:21:10 <Mement> Let me take a look on the site
Jun 15 10:27:04 <shmooz> I suppose this is the smallest screen we gotta worry about ;)  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/SmartWatch_MN2_auf_der_Internationalen_Funkausstellung_2012_in_Berlin_1_PD.JPG/395px-SmartWatch_MN2_auf_der_Internationalen_Funkausstellung_2012_in_Berlin_1_PD.JPG
Jun 15 10:35:31 <lut4rp> heh
Jun 15 10:40:29 <Haxxa> Hello\
Jun 15 10:42:23 <boytoy> shmooz: something tells me those will never catch on
Jun 15 10:44:50 <Haxxa> I'm wondering if it is possible to create an app or quick setting to trigger an event in an app - Currently I use Airaudio for streaming audio but it's annoying having to open the app every time
Jun 15 10:45:18 <Haxxa> I just basically want to creat an on/off widget of sorts
Jun 15 11:17:28 <marrrk> Is there a way to register when a user presses the unlock hard key?
Jun 15 11:36:07 <joker_89> hi i have a sound in my app, why only sounds in Debug mode emulator and not in normal mode?
Jun 15 11:36:49 <marrrk> Why the bad English?
Jun 15 11:37:19 <joker_89> i have a sound that only i can heard in debug mode, why?
Jun 15 11:38:31 <marrrk> What is debug mode?
Jun 15 11:39:14 <joker_89> in eclipse, click in the " Run debug " option
Jun 15 11:39:43 <joker_89> and i put a breakpoing in the line when i play the sound and now i can heard it
Jun 15 11:42:20 <marrrk> Maybe it's because of the breakpoint?
Jun 15 11:42:30 <marrrk> What if you remove that?
Jun 15 11:42:39 <marrrk> And still debug.
Jun 15 11:43:19 <lasserix> Anyone got a good practice for repeating an action while a pointer is contigiousily down?
Jun 15 11:44:01 <joker_89> ok
Jun 15 11:44:08 <marrrk> lasserix: What does that even mean?
Jun 15 11:44:30 <marrrk> "a pointer is contigiousily down"?
Jun 15 11:44:36 <lasserix> marrk: there is a circle on the screen. if user touches left or right side, do some action until pointer goes up
Jun 15 11:44:45 <joker_89> i can heard it
Jun 15 11:45:39 <joker_89> i can't heard it
Jun 15 11:46:10 <lasserix> like a handler and call backs?
Jun 15 11:46:10 <kakazza> lasserix: You mean something like 'while (event.type != TouchEvent.TOUCH_UP)' after a TOUCH_DOWN?
Jun 15 11:46:26 <lasserix> kakazza yeah basically
Jun 15 11:46:41 <marrrk> Ah okay pointer is the finger usually?
Jun 15 11:46:48 <lasserix> yeah
Jun 15 11:46:54 <lasserix> pointer i guess refers to multitouch
Jun 15 11:47:05 <lasserix> looks like i just have to build a multitouch class handler
Jun 15 11:47:10 <marrrk> joker_89: are you playing another sound after the one that you are not hearing?
Jun 15 11:47:57 <kakazza> lasserix: Do it just like that. On event == ACTION_DOWN start your Thread or whatever you have. Once you get ACTION_UP, break, interrupt, w/e
Jun 15 11:47:58 <joker_89> not, is only a sound about 1 second
Jun 15 11:48:01 <joker_89> or less
Jun 15 11:48:06 <lasserix> figured :)
Jun 15 11:49:37 <joker_89> how can i solve it
Jun 15 11:49:49 <marrrk> What if you insert a Thread.sleep(1000) after you're playing the sound?
Jun 15 11:49:54 <marrrk> Just to see
Jun 15 11:50:23 <joker_89> ok
Jun 15 11:51:32 <joker_89> nothing
Jun 15 11:51:46 <marrrk> The sound is not being played?
Jun 15 11:52:08 <joker_89> no
Jun 15 11:52:38 <marrrk> How are you playing the sound?
Jun 15 11:52:46 <marrrk> I am playing only one sound in my app like this:
Jun 15 11:53:03 <marrrk> MediaPlayer mediaPlayer = MediaPlayer.create(getContext(), R.raw.welldone); mediaPlayer.start();
Jun 15 11:53:05 <marrrk> And it works.
Jun 15 11:53:59 <joker_89> i do with soundPool.play(soundId, volume, volume, 0, 0, 1);
Jun 15 11:54:51 <joker_89> i play the sound and then i have a postdelayed
Jun 15 11:55:08 <marrrk> What if you try to play it like me with the media player?
Jun 15 11:58:31 <joker_89> but i dont need a mediaplayer
Jun 15 12:02:19 <omid8bimo> how can i create a bitmap object from a photo uri? (i need the object so then i can manipulate it via BitmapFactory)
Jun 15 12:04:02 <joker_89> a service can play a sound?
Jun 15 12:08:07 <pjdelport> omid8bimo: depends on the uri
Jun 15 12:08:48 <omid8bimo> pjdelport: its a file system uri, such as file:///storage/sdcard0/DCIM/OrangeClubPhotos/1370701231842.jpg
Jun 15 12:10:31 <SimonVT> Use bitmapfactory to decode it
Jun 15 12:11:55 <pjdelport> omid8bimo: ah, ContentResolver.openInputStream() should do it
Jun 15 12:12:58 <pjdelport> that will work for content, resource, and file scheme URIs
Jun 15 12:13:11 <omid8bimo> i tried this and didnt work. http://paste.debian.net/10531/
Jun 15 12:13:27 <omid8bimo> pjdelport: all right let me try that
Jun 15 12:14:14 <SimonVT> What do you mean it didn't work
Jun 15 12:14:57 <omid8bimo> i mean the ImageView(s) were blank
Jun 15 12:15:16 <lasserix> Anyone know of a good first person shooter that has decent controls?
Jun 15 12:16:10 <SimonVT> Why were they blank?
Jun 15 12:16:15 <SimonVT> Was no bitmap returned?
Jun 15 12:18:48 <omid8bimo> SimonVT: thats what I'm thinking. I log the Uri(s) and i see them and they are correct. photo files exist too. but when i try to load the ImageView from Uri, its blank
Jun 15 12:19:14 <SimonVT> So you didn't debug it
Jun 15 12:19:16 <joker_89> is very strang.. why don't sound my sound
Jun 15 12:19:40 <omid8bimo> SimonVT: debug? like how? LogCat says nothing!
Jun 15 12:20:00 <SimonVT> With a debugger
Jun 15 12:20:11 <SimonVT> You know, step through your code
Jun 15 12:20:13 <SimonVT> Inspect variables
Jun 15 12:20:23 <SimonVT> Check everything is as you expect
Jun 15 12:24:54 <pjdelport> style question
Jun 15 12:25:42 <pjdelport> when you extend a class that takes a generic type argument, and the subclass adds another generic type argument, which order should the subclass list its type arguments in?
Jun 15 12:27:01 <pjdelport> the parent class's more generic type parameter first, or the suclass's more specific paramater?
Jun 15 12:27:57 <SimonVT> Whatever you like.. I'd probably put parent types first, like in a constructor
Jun 15 12:31:34 <pjdelport> thought so, yeah
Jun 15 12:33:44 <joker_89> I see that i am playing a sound in an activity that i create
Jun 15 12:33:48 <joker_89> and on create i play it
Jun 15 12:40:12 <omid8bimo> pjdelport: how can i use that ContentResolver.openInputStream() ?
Jun 15 12:46:45 <joker_89> marrrk the prooblem is
Jun 15 12:46:53 <joker_89> that in realse mode dont have tiem tho load
Jun 15 12:46:54 <joker_89> and play
Jun 15 12:47:05 <joker_89> don't have time to load and play the sound
Jun 15 12:47:14 <marrrk> Are you finishing the activity before or something?
Jun 15 12:47:17 <joker_89> now i load in my main actiivty and put in assets static class and goes
Jun 15 12:48:10 <joker_89> i load the sound in my main activity and then when i need to play it i get from the static class where i loaded the sound
Jun 15 13:18:04 <pjdelport> omid8bimo: you should be able to just call it
Jun 15 13:18:33 <pjdelport> using the content resolver from your local context
Jun 15 14:05:51 <[dmp]_> Hi. I'm not able to import com.google.android.gms.location.LocationClient (eclipse cannot resolve it), however com.google.android.gms.maps.model.Marker works. So I belive that my project is configured correctly to use Google API v17/4.2.2. Any pointers to what my problem might be?
Jun 15 14:33:06 <a111> What would be the best way to send an object from my PHP script to my android app?
Jun 15 14:34:33 <Ge0rG> a111: GCM and then a file download?
Jun 15 14:52:44 <rved> when I'm in my developers console in play.google.com .. i can't first upload a beta apk? i only have a production (live) version...
Jun 15 14:52:48 <rved> how does this work?
Jun 15 14:54:21 <rved> i want to test if my lvl script is working, but via eclipse this didn't work… got a application error code 3
Jun 15 14:54:25 <rved> so i needed to upload it
Jun 15 14:54:34 <rved> but i don't want it 'live'
Jun 15 14:54:41 <rved> still want to test it further
Jun 15 14:54:59 <rved> but can't delete the live version and just upload a beta version?
Jun 15 14:55:20 <rved> and how do you test the app when it is not visible in the playstore yet?
Jun 15 14:56:32 <rved> if i test it from eclipse the lvl return the message: don't allow user acces
Jun 15 14:56:43 <rved> is this because it's not installed via the store?
Jun 15 15:08:51 <flipture> Morning all
Jun 15 15:09:29 <flipture> I've got an issue where my app works on my emulator, but when I run the app on my phone, the onclick listener does not work.
Jun 15 15:09:51 <flipture> I've done some reading and understand that I may need to save the listener to sharedpreferences? Does this sound like I'm on the right path?
Jun 15 15:18:12 <flipture> Any thoughts?
Jun 15 15:21:10 <Rescue9> rved: the beta version must be uploaded and 'working'. you need to add test accounts to your settings panel in the "gmail accounts with testing access" as well
Jun 15 15:21:32 <rved> i deleted the apk from the published versiona
Jun 15 15:21:38 <rved> and uploaded a new version into the beta slot
Jun 15 15:21:50 <rved> creating a google group now for testers
Jun 15 15:22:08 <Rescue9> don't delete the production version. you can have 3 versions available at any one time; alpha, beta, production
Jun 15 15:25:08 <pjdelport> flipture: that doesn't sound like the right path
Jun 15 15:25:32 <pjdelport> not sure how you'd save a listener to sharedpreferences
Jun 15 15:27:23 <flipture> pjdelport: ok. So is there something special I should be doing with an onClickListener that would work on a sim but not a phone?
Jun 15 15:27:46 <flipture> i'm guessing that somehow its getting gc'd maybe?
Jun 15 15:28:32 <flipture> i was doing  holder.view.setOnClickListener( new View.OnClickListener() { blah...
Jun 15 15:29:06 <flipture> and instead tried to assign the listener to a variable then do .... holder.view.setOnClickListener( myListener );
Jun 15 15:33:25 <rved> Rescue9: i have only a beta version uploaded right now, created a google group, sent invites, opened the link, clicked 'Download from play playstore'
Jun 15 15:33:35 <rved> but then i get an error: not found :s
Jun 15 15:33:54 <Rescue9> if you just uploaded the beta... then you're in for a wait. took me 2 hours to see my beta.
Jun 15 15:33:56 <rved> is this because there are no alpha and public version ?
Jun 15 15:34:06 <Tronflowers> flipture, put an example up on pastebin
Jun 15 15:34:08 <rved> :O thanks for the heads up
Jun 15 15:34:17 <flipture> Tronflowers: ok! one sec...
Jun 15 15:34:25 <rved> i do think the publishing steps are a bit unclear
Jun 15 15:34:34 <Rescue9> rved: no... as long as you are in the test group then when the beta shows you'll be able to test it.
Jun 15 15:34:36 <Tronflowers> also have you tried to assign a listner using xml aswell
Jun 15 15:34:44 <Tronflowers> it may be worth checking you have or have not
Jun 15 15:35:01 <Tronflowers> as it seems your taking the programmatic way
Jun 15 15:35:14 <Rescue9> rved: I agree completely! I'd suggest making your production live again, downloading that, and then waiting for the beta to 'upgrade' over the production
Jun 15 15:35:15 <rved> Rescue9 ty
Jun 15 15:35:23 <flipture> Tronflowers: http://pastebin.com/KBpLyeUM
Jun 15 15:35:38 <rved> well, it's my first app, and I'm not sure about the LVL part
Jun 15 15:35:40 <Rescue9> rved: just make sure the version number on the beta is greater than the version numbe ron the production apk.
Jun 15 15:36:04 <flipture> Tronflowers: that code is my custom adapter that creates the items int he list that are clickable.
Jun 15 15:36:09 <Rescue9> rved: no worries mate. I'm only on my second app. the guys here are a good bunch and help out when they can.
Jun 15 15:36:37 <Rescue9> rved: LVL part? what do you mean?
Jun 15 15:36:44 <rved> the licensing
Jun 15 15:36:50 <rved> blocking users /allowing users
Jun 15 15:36:56 <rved> you need to test this with the dev console
Jun 15 15:37:01 <Rescue9> aaah.... yes. that's also a pita.
Jun 15 15:37:01 <rved> setting all states
Jun 15 15:37:42 <flipture> Tronflowers: and this is the method that calls the adapter. the toast in this method DOES work... so maybe i'm doing things wrong? http://pastebin.com/MsRqN5zS
Jun 15 15:38:06 <Tronflowers> flipture,  you say it works in emulator but not on device
Jun 15 15:38:13 <flipture> Tronflowers: correct.
Jun 15 15:38:21 <Rescue9> rved: licensing will come in when you implement purchasing into your app. there are a few things to consider there before you even go that route...
Jun 15 15:38:26 <Tronflowers> what log statements are you seeing on device>?#
Jun 15 15:39:03 <Rescue9> make sure you have a dev account and a test account. Took me a week to get google to transfer my apps to the developer account.
Jun 15 15:39:37 <Rescue9> this is important because the account that you upload the apk to cannot be used to purchase in-app items. as such, you can't test it unless you use a different account. found that little tidbit out the hard way.
Jun 15 15:40:43 <flipture> Tronflowers: i've tried a few different emulators also. When I try it ont he device, before I touch anything i see unregisterIRListener() is called
Jun 15 15:40:53 <flipture> not sure if that has anythign to do with it but I don't remember seeing that on the emulator
Jun 15 15:41:42 <flipture> then when i touch the item, the toast does pop up but all I see in the logs are [surface touch event] msweepdown false, mlrsdcnt : -1 mtouchcnt : 6 mfalsesizecnt: 0
Jun 15 15:41:55 <Tronflowers> either your get view isn't being called  for some reason
Jun 15 15:42:31 <Tronflowers> or when it is your convertView  != null
Jun 15 15:42:46 <flipture> gotcha
Jun 15 15:42:52 <Tronflowers> set a breakpoint on your getview
Jun 15 15:42:54 <Tronflowers> or
Jun 15 15:43:21 <flipture> so from the listener i'm calling a method, which then runs setContentView
Jun 15 15:43:37 <flipture> Should i be doing this from the listener itself, then call the method maybe?
Jun 15 15:43:49 <flipture> ok. I'm new to breakpoints so let me give that a shot
Jun 15 15:43:58 <Tronflowers> change the log message to  Log.v("ConvertView", "getviewcalled"));
Jun 15 15:44:08 <Tronflowers> i just want to rule that out
Jun 15 15:45:15 <Tronflowers> wait
Jun 15 15:45:16 <Tronflowers> TextView tv = (TextView) v
Jun 15 15:45:26 <Tronflowers> ListCategory lc = (ListCategory) tv.getTag();
Jun 15 15:46:07 <flipture> Oh am i casting incorrectly?
Jun 15 15:46:22 <flipture> so v is the view passed into onclick
Jun 15 15:46:32 <flipture> is that a text view when its passed in?
Jun 15 15:47:37 <flipture> Docs define it as "the view that was clicked" which is a text view so i woudl think that would work?
Jun 15 15:48:45 <Tronflowers> can you do two things
Jun 15 15:49:00 <Tronflowers> put a log statement in you onclick and getview
Jun 15 15:49:11 <Tronflowers> and run me down what you would like to achieve
Jun 15 15:49:23 <flipture> yep yep, let me give that a shot and see how far we're getting
Jun 15 15:50:07 <rved> In the developers console: can you hit the save/publish button when you only have a beta apk uploaded?
Jun 15 15:50:13 <rved> i can't save, its says: e app kan niet worden opgeslagen. Controleer het formulier op fouten.
Jun 15 15:50:22 <rved> app can't be saved, check the form for errors
Jun 15 15:51:01 <rved> and when i try to leave the page, it says: you haven't saved...
Jun 15 15:51:09 <rved> so i seriously don't get it
Jun 15 15:51:15 <rved> how do you beta test?
Jun 15 15:51:31 <rved> if you can't save the page when you only have 1 apk in the beta slot?
Jun 15 15:55:02 <flipture> Tronflowers: ok so When it creates the list, From inside the getView (outside the onclickListener) I see the log message and convert view is android.widget.RelativeLayout
Jun 15 15:55:19 <flipture> Tronflowers: but I don't see the log from inside the onClick...
Jun 15 15:59:37 <Rescue9> if I remember correctly, you have to either unpublish your app, or have a production apk in place to be downloaded in order to save.
Jun 15 16:00:18 <Rescue9> no, you can't save the page if you don't have a production apk.......... I think.
Jun 15 16:02:15 <rved> Rescue9: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5xrbx210exviq5/Schermafbeelding%202013-06-15%20om%2018.jpg
Jun 15 16:02:30 <rved> see, i have no production version (cause i only want to test beta)
Jun 15 16:02:36 <rved> but how do i save the page? :s
Jun 15 16:02:43 <rved> i can only hit : publish
Jun 15 16:02:47 <rved> and then i get an error
Jun 15 16:03:07 <rved> if i try to set the state published (right corner) to unpublished .. i also get an error
Jun 15 16:04:16 <Rescue9> that's just it... without a production apk I'm pretty sure you cna't save.
Jun 15 16:04:58 <rved> hmm, but then my version is directly online without testing
Jun 15 16:05:06 <Rescue9> well..... that might not be true either. I may be mistaken.
Jun 15 16:05:32 <Rescue9> looks as if they've changed that
Jun 15 16:07:26 <Rescue9> however, if you had an apk in the production side, then deleted it, that may be a different story
Jun 15 16:07:52 <flipture> Tronflowers: but when I run the same thing in the emulator, I see my second log from the click listener :-\
Jun 15 16:07:55 <flipture> i'm so stumped... lol
Jun 15 16:08:40 <Tronflowers> sorry
Jun 15 16:08:42 <Tronflowers> beerk break
Jun 15 16:08:45 <Tronflowers> *bear
Jun 15 16:08:48 <Tronflowers> *beer
Jun 15 16:08:50 <Tronflowers> hehe
Jun 15 16:08:51 <flipture> lol :)
Jun 15 16:11:39 <flipture> Tronflowers: so what i'm trying to acchieve is when the row in the text view gets clicked, i call addEditCategory(lc); which sends my object, lc, to the addEditCategory method and sets the view to a new view
Jun 15 16:12:31 <Tronflowers> i think the issue is before that
Jun 15 16:12:43 <flipture> i'm pretty good at debugging if i have errors, but not getting any on the phone which is weird. its not logging the line that i put inside of the View.OnClickListener so maybe that doesn't exist any longer
Jun 15 16:14:05 <flipture> i'm setting the listener to the view in the holder, which i would think woudl save it
Jun 15 16:15:12 <flipture> And since the toast shows up when i touch the row, that means that the listView.setOnItemClickListener is working. Should I just call my method from there instead of creating the listener in the custom adapter?
Jun 15 16:16:35 <Tronflowers> yeah
Jun 15 16:16:47 <flipture> I'm fairly certain that would work but Im really curious why this way is not working. Is it simpl;y the wrong way?
Jun 15 16:16:47 <Tronflowers> try it in you setonitemclicklistner
Jun 15 16:17:00 <Tronflowers> but overide onitemclick
Jun 15 16:17:52 <flipture> Yeah im already overriding onItemClick, thats where the toast is. It gets the object that i need and uses that to make the toast so i know its working there
Jun 15 16:18:00 <flipture> would it help if i posted the entire class?
Jun 15 16:18:50 <Tronflowers> yeah
Jun 15 16:20:05 <flipture> http://pastebin.com/2dqm3Us9
Jun 15 16:28:57 <Tronflowers> i dont think you need to define   View.OnClickListener categoryClickListener; at the start
Jun 15 16:29:24 <aaa801> Why is v4l2_frmsizeenum missing from the ndk
Jun 15 16:31:02 <flipture> Tronflowers: ok, i wasn't before. just tried that to see if it woudl save the object...
Jun 15 16:31:30 <Tronflowers> also what is ListCategory?
Jun 15 16:32:03 <Tronflowers> links to external class?
Jun 15 16:32:08 <flipture> Tronflowers: ListCategory is a custom object that holds information for each category i create.
Jun 15 16:32:11 <flipture> yeah
Jun 15 16:32:13 <Tronflowers> ahh okay
Jun 15 16:32:21 <flipture> its a list app, add items to list
Jun 15 16:32:30 <flipture> items are in a category
Jun 15 16:32:48 <flipture> LsitItem is the item, ListCategory is the category
Jun 15 16:33:17 <Tronflowers> your listener and toast are working in addItemsOnEditList
Jun 15 16:33:19 <Tronflowers> ?
Jun 15 16:34:25 <flipture> Well, the toast works, and when i added addEditCategory to addItemsOnEditList(), it does get called but now i have an issue with serializable after that...
Jun 15 16:34:29 <flipture> but yes, it does get called correctly
Jun 15 16:34:54 <flipture> I hate to just give up on figuring out why it doesn't work the other way tho. i'd like to understand what i was doing wrong
Jun 15 16:35:06 <flipture> or why it behaves differently on the phone than the sim :-\
Jun 15 16:35:10 <Tronflowers> yeah i understand
Jun 15 16:35:32 <Tronflowers> the serializable error maybe on category.getDescription
Jun 15 16:36:28 <spobat> hi
Jun 15 16:37:10 <Afzal> guys, umm, Android Studio is trying to find the apk file in build/classes instead of build/apk for some reason
Jun 15 16:37:21 <flipture> Well, that part works. addEditCategory gets called and sets the new view. That new view is where I can edit the category info. Once I click save, it errors. Its erroring in my main class's onCreate for super.onCreate(savedInstanceState)
Jun 15 16:37:23 <rved> Rescue9 my app (the live version) is now in the app store, how do i download it to my mobile for free? i only see buy button
Jun 15 16:37:34 <rved> i still want to test it
Jun 15 16:38:14 <Rescue9> rved: you have to add an account to the "Gmail accounts with testing access" section in the settings
Jun 15 16:39:01 <rved> i thought the google groups was for this :s
Jun 15 16:39:05 <rved> so i have to do it double?
Jun 15 16:40:22 <rved> i applied the change
Jun 15 16:40:31 <rved> but i still see a price on the button
Jun 15 16:40:45 <Rescue9> google groups is just for allowing all testers. testers who will be allowed to test items 'without payment' will have to go in the section mentioned above
Jun 15 16:40:48 <rved> i don't get how i can download it for free
Jun 15 16:40:50 <Rescue9> it takes sometime 15 minutes
Jun 15 16:40:59 <Rescue9> just wait!
Jun 15 16:41:02 <rved> ok thx
Jun 15 16:41:07 <rved> … bloody waiting all the time :P
Jun 15 16:41:35 <Rescue9> yea... immagine not being able to dev for a week because google drags their feet on transfering from one account to another.
Jun 15 16:41:41 <Tronflowers> flipture, brb
Jun 15 16:41:48 <flipture> Tronflowers: I know whats wrong with the serializable, so no worries on that. But any other ideas as to wny it might not have been working the other way?
Jun 15 16:41:54 <flipture> ok
Jun 15 16:42:03 <Afzal> nvm, restarting Android Studio worked :D
Jun 15 16:42:19 <Afzal> FINALLY the foler structure I want! :D
Jun 15 16:42:25 <rved> Rescue9: when the change is processed. will i see a 'download for free' button then?>
Jun 15 16:42:31 <rved> or would you always see a price
Jun 15 16:43:23 <Rescue9> not sure. I have in-app purchasing in mine. However.... I am notified that I won't be charged. make sure you're logged into the play store under the account that you have listed in the licensing section.
Jun 15 16:45:01 <fwaokda> I have an old android project that I'm trying to open in android studio, however it doesn't have any .ipr, pom.xml, build.gradle, or .idea files.  How can I still open it?
Jun 15 16:45:10 <bluesm> What is the best approach to create timer in background ?
Jun 15 16:46:42 <Tronflowers> hey flipture
Jun 15 16:46:47 <Tronflowers> im still not back
Jun 15 16:46:50 <Tronflowers> but
Jun 15 16:47:30 <aaa801> aprantly i hurt libc http://i.imgur.com/cAX7szl.png
Jun 15 16:48:23 <Tronflowers> try this  , change  convertView = vi.inflate(R.layout.add_edit_layout, null);  to  convertView = vi.inflate(R.layout.add_edit_layout, parent);
Jun 15 16:48:57 <bluesm> Using CountDownTimer  ?
Jun 15 16:50:31 <flipture> Tronflowers: lol no worries. i'm gonna grab a snack. im working my current error to get it working too...
Jun 15 16:51:07 <Afzal> is it advised to have multiple unrelated modules in one Android Studio project?
Jun 15 16:51:32 <Afzal> for example, two separate apps that you're working on?
Jun 15 16:52:11 <flipture> Tronflowers: odd, now i'm seeing the same issue on the sim lol
Jun 15 16:52:15 <flipture> but brb... food :)
Jun 15 16:53:29 <SimonVT> Afzal: Nope
Jun 15 16:53:58 <Afzal> SimonVT, so then IDEA projects are nothing like Eclipse workspaces like everyone kept saying?
Jun 15 16:54:50 <SimonVT> You asked if it was advised
Jun 15 16:54:56 <SimonVT> You certainly can, just like in eclipse
Jun 15 16:55:10 <Afzal> oh okay, thanks!
Jun 15 16:55:32 <SimonVT> But one project per project makes more sense
Jun 15 16:55:45 <SimonVT> Switching to another is just file > reopen > click project
Jun 15 16:56:17 <Afzal> Hmm, yeah I guess it makes even more sense when using gradle since you'd have to modify settings.gradle every time you want to change what compiles
Jun 15 16:57:43 <SimonVT> That too
Jun 15 17:01:24 <rved> Rescue9: when I'm on my phone, logged in with a google account that is a an allowed user in my developer console… i still get a pop-up/dialog that i need to pay and add a payment card to my account :s
Jun 15 17:01:36 <rved> in the play store and click to download
Jun 15 17:01:38 <Rescue9> don't know.
Jun 15 17:01:51 <Rescue9> you'll have to research that. I don't use purchase apps... only in-app purchasing
Jun 15 17:02:15 <Afzal> heheh, I crashed Android Studio :p
Jun 15 17:02:32 <Afzal> Tried to paste another build.gradle file to the project
Jun 15 17:02:33 <rved> does any one know how to get your own app for free installed on you phone?!
Jun 15 17:02:37 <Afzal> to overwrite the previous one
Jun 15 17:02:38 <rved> so i can test it..
Jun 15 17:02:55 <rved> it's a bit strange that i would have to pay for it to test it
Jun 15 17:02:58 <SimonVT> adb install your.apk
Jun 15 17:03:17 <Rescue9> lol
Jun 15 17:05:40 <rved> SimonVT, was that meant for me?
Jun 15 17:05:54 <rved> if i do it via Eclipse, i can't test the correct function of LVL?
Jun 15 17:06:07 <rved> i get a application error code 3
Jun 15 17:08:41 <SimonVT> Yes, that was for you
Jun 15 17:11:48 <rved> Can you enlighten me?
Jun 15 17:11:53 <rved> Im using the LVL service
Jun 15 17:11:59 <rved> i have installed via Eclipse
Jun 15 17:12:09 <rved> but it thinks i haven't bought the app
Jun 15 17:12:11 <SimonVT> Call adb install your.apk from command line
Jun 15 17:12:13 <rved> so i says: don't alllow
Jun 15 17:12:23 <SimonVT> To test your app
Jun 15 17:12:27 <rved> I'm not using command line,
Jun 15 17:12:33 <rved> and what is adb?
Jun 15 17:12:50 <SimonVT> Android Debug Bridge
Jun 15 17:13:07 <rved> but this is only for emulator?
Jun 15 17:13:17 <SimonVT> No
Jun 15 17:13:27 <SimonVT> It's for https://developer.android.com/index.html#q=adb
Jun 15 17:13:43 <rved> ok, but how does this help my lvl being recognized as allowed?
Jun 15 17:13:56 <rved> is this not something that has to do with the way the app got on my phone?
Jun 15 17:14:02 <SimonVT> I don't know, I was just answering the question about how you install your app
Jun 15 17:14:24 <rved> is there not a way that you can download it (for free) from the app store to your phone
Jun 15 17:14:41 <rved> i find it very strange that all my test users see a price tag when they try to install it
Jun 15 17:15:00 <SimonVT> No, there's not
Jun 15 17:15:58 <flipture> back
Jun 15 17:21:32 <flipture> Tronflowers: Weird, now the phone seems to work fine, but the sim is buggy lol. It seems to take a second for the click listener to work right on the sim. I get my log message from the custom adapter click but it does nothing for a few clicks, or certain amount of time. Then all of the sudden it will work, and without any more logging
Jun 15 17:24:54 <Afzal> wow, can't believe i'm actually able to do this! just integrated abs and slidingmenu in my gradle project without moving folders around
Jun 15 17:31:22 <aaa801> Android supports h264 right ?
Jun 15 17:33:59 <p_l> aaa801: yes, but you can reliably depend only on the profiles mentioned in 3GPP, IIRC
Jun 15 17:34:17 <aaa801> p_l, im reading a h264 stream from a webcam
Jun 15 17:34:26 <p_l> (no android plays, in hw - or with system codecs - the kind of stuff I watch, for example)
Jun 15 17:34:29 <aaa801> should be faster then yuv right =/
Jun 15 17:34:35 <p_l> aaa801: then it probably is primitive enough to work
Jun 15 17:34:42 <p_l> and yes, it will take less bandwidth
Jun 15 17:39:28 <aaa801> well atm im taking the yuv stream and converting it to rgba
Jun 15 17:39:34 <aaa801> so muchy less bandwith
Jun 15 17:44:20 <Younos> hi all, is it possible to have a native gcc or something in the terminal emulator?
Jun 15 17:47:12 <p_l> Younos: yes - you need to compile a gcc to run there (might be easier to follow one of the guides on running complete linux distro in chroot, actually)
Jun 15 17:47:34 <p_l> though there are some applications on Market that include dev environment
Jun 15 17:51:10 <rved> does any one know how to email google directly about the developers console?
Jun 15 17:51:22 <rved> i can' t digger out how the beta /alpha testing works
Jun 15 17:51:48 <rved> i can't seem to get a payed app via the playstore on my own & testers devices...
Jun 15 17:52:16 <rved> they give you a link, 'you're now  a tester' download the app from the play store..
Jun 15 17:52:23 <rved> but then you have to pay :s
Jun 15 17:52:29 <rved> paying is not testing.
Jun 15 17:53:23 <SimonVT> There's no way to give a paid app to a user for free, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for you
Jun 15 17:55:54 <SimonVT> ^ through play store
Jun 15 17:59:04 <llkmj> Has anyone here ever used the Expansion File option in Google Play Developer Console?
Jun 15 18:00:10 <Afzal> How do I set a style's parent as Theme.Sherlock.whatever? styles.xml says it's an unresolved symbol. (using gradle)
Jun 15 18:00:23 <Afzal> symbols for abs resolve in the java classes fine
Jun 15 18:02:40 <Afzal> ah nvm found it
Jun 15 18:09:28 <Afzal> JakeWharton, do i need to specify the abs res folder in my build.gradle?
Jun 15 18:13:15 <rved> how do you delete your app form the dev console?
Jun 15 18:15:27 <llkmj> @rved, click the Draft button and an option to delete should be visible
Jun 15 18:15:43 <rved>  i only see unpublished?
Jun 15 18:15:54 <rved> i want to totally delete it and start the same project again
Jun 15 18:16:02 <rved> cause i set it to free for testing purpose
Jun 15 18:16:09 <rved> but now i can't change it back again
Jun 15 18:16:17 <JakeWharton> Afzal: In your app? No. The dependency on ABS should pull it in.
Jun 15 18:16:45 <Afzal> JakeWharton, styles.xml in my app isn't resolving ABS themes
Jun 15 18:16:47 <llkmj> @rved ah, can't help you there ... too new to dev console
Jun 15 18:16:54 <Afzal> but classes are fine
Jun 15 18:16:57 <rved> and how do contact support..
Jun 15 18:17:04 <rved> i m inside
Jun 15 18:17:05 <rved> https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/troubleshooter/3055196#ts=3076005
Jun 15 18:17:09 <rved> but… where do i email them?
Jun 15 18:26:08 <Afzal> Does/should the aar file contain res stuff too or just classes?
Jun 15 18:29:24 <Tronflowers> flipture, did you try changing the    convertView = vi.inflate(R.layout.add_edit_layout, null);  to  convertView = vi.inflate(R.layout.add_edit_layout, parent); ?
Jun 15 18:31:09 <flipture> Tronflowers: I did not, let me give that a shot. that sounds promising. I guess it wouldn't pass the view into convert view if i was setting it to null?
Jun 15 18:31:44 <ejcweb> I'm looking for some UI advice. The main activity of my app currently looks like this (https://lh6.ggpht.com/P0gI-UQPBhTlkMTJh28PWCHV7xuiM2a33PHgMeP3wP-JqN4B0lk3gIjDm1CM-wNhRj0), which I feel is a jumble of different settings. Is there an obvious way of organising/presenting this better?
Jun 15 18:31:44 <flipture> Tronflowers: I have to admit I don't understand convertView and views as much as i would like... Its making more sense as i go...
Jun 15 18:32:17 <ejcweb> I wondered about turning it into a custom listview or something.
Jun 15 18:37:38 <kjeldahl> If anybody wants to help me test a tennis/squash match/game tracker app, let me know and I will add you to the G+ alpha testing group. For a quick look check out killermatch.com .
Jun 15 18:52:01 <fwaokda> anyone have issues exporting android project from eclipse to build gradle files for android studio?
Jun 15 18:52:15 <fwaokda> when i try to export i click the finish button but nothing happens
Jun 15 18:52:16 <kjeldahl> Yes, never worked for my project.
Jun 15 18:52:28 <fwaokda> hmmm
Jun 15 18:53:16 <kjeldahl> Ended up recreating the project, first in the old-style AS way, then built a build.gradle file to use Gradle (created a "blank" gradle template project in AS and figured most things out; documentation is poor so far).
Jun 15 18:54:45 <fwaokda> well that's disappointing
Jun 15 19:08:14 <danl> Anyone have an issue with Android Studio not updating automatically when it there is an update? I am getting access denied errors
Jun 15 19:10:39 <flipture> Tronflowers: so I tried parent instead of null and it says addView(View, LayoutParams) is not supported in AdapterView
Jun 15 19:15:12 <jcrowgey> hi android dev, i'm working on an IME for a native american language.  one thing i want to do is have complex characters (ie, a string of unicode characters; this is because i have to use combining diacritics to construct the glyphs) be output for certain keys.  so far i've had issues on two fronts: 1) getting the android:codes value to work such that i get the right output 2) getting the keyb label to look right.
Jun 15 19:17:14 <jcrowgey> today i'm working on problem 1.  i'm working from softkeyboard example and modifying res/xml/qwerty.xml last thing i tried was to put my character \u0078\u030c into strings.xml and reference it in <Key android:codes="@strings/x_caron" ... />.  but that failed, i saw an error in logcat "E/Key error parsing keycodes"
Jun 15 19:18:17 <jcrowgey> let me know if you guys have any suggestions about what to try.  it must be possible to have an input method key return a complex unicode character, right?
Jun 15 19:29:14 <g00s> jcrowgey pretty cool project you are working on; unfortunately this time of week its is pretty quiet around here. you could try m-f 9-5 pst; or try posting to google android-developer group around those hours for best response
Jun 15 19:29:55 <g00s> i haven't done so , but o get the impression custom IMEs are kinda a pain. maybe i'm wrong about that
Jun 15 19:31:30 <jcrowgey> g00s, thanks for the encouragement.  i guess it's a 'no pain, no gain' situation over here for me.
Jun 15 19:31:57 <g00s> android is all about pain :|
Jun 15 19:37:12 <danl> I just want AS to update :(
Jun 15 19:37:33 <g00s> danl there was a recent AS update, did you get it ?
Jun 15 19:37:41 <g00s> like a day or so ago
Jun 15 19:37:50 <g00s> i use plain idea so cant say much about it
Jun 15 19:37:54 <danl> g00s: sort of, it notifies me there is an update, like it does every time, but it wont install
Jun 15 19:38:09 <g00s> meh, just d/l it then
Jun 15 19:38:14 <danl> from where?
Jun 15 19:38:20 <jcrowgey> a small update, i saw on the docs for Keyboard.Key that i the value of android:codes *can* be a string value, i just have to escape the \, so "\\u0078\\u030c" works in that it doesn't give me the "error parsing keycodes", however, the actually pressing the key isn't working yet :(
Jun 15 19:38:21 <danl> the site still lists 0.1.1
Jun 15 19:42:49 <flipture> How bad is it to get 30 frames skipped, doing too much work in main thread errors?
Jun 15 19:42:57 <flipture> something looping thats going to cause problems maybe?
Jun 15 19:43:56 <danl> g00s: fixed the problem, it was a permissions issues
Jun 15 19:45:21 <danl> remembered it was installed to auxiliary hard drive, that I never setup proper inheritence permissions on
Jun 15 19:46:57 <darken> flipture, you won't know how much it "hangs" on other slower devices, so depends on which type of device it does that
Jun 15 20:01:21 <flipture> darken: gotcha. just making sure it wasn't a giant red sign in my face that i'd been ignoring :)
Jun 15 20:10:18 <BHSPitMonkey> Hi all
Jun 15 20:10:57 <BHSPitMonkey> I have a string that may or may not represent a URI; What's the best way to check if it is or not?
Jun 15 20:11:23 <BHSPitMonkey> Is it sufficient to just try Uri.parse(theString) and catch exceptions?
Jun 15 20:12:34 <jcrowgey> well, i take it back about my progress, despite the fact that this page http://developer.android.com/reference/android/inputmethodservice/Keyboard.Key.html says that android:codes can be a string value, i'm still getting Error parsing keycode when i try to use a string in there
Jun 15 20:13:10 <kbs> BHSPitMonkey: might be better to go with URI, rather than android.net.Uri -- the former does fairly strict parsing
Jun 15 20:13:39 <BHSPitMonkey> kbs: didn't even know there were two, thanks
Jun 15 20:14:51 <kbs> My guess is that the android coders wanted a non-anal parser internally, and hence invented android.net.Uri despite java.net.URI ;-)
Jun 15 20:16:17 <Xabster> BHSPitMonkey: in normal java it's normal to create URI from a string to see if it's valid... i hate it, but that's how
Jun 15 20:16:33 <Xabster> and catch exception, same with Integer.parseInt ... there are no "isValid" methods
Jun 15 20:16:49 <BHSPitMonkey> Xabster: thanks
Jun 15 20:17:27 <BHSPitMonkey> Another thing -- It's been a while since I've used Java so I'm rusty.  I'm getting an error in IDEA that says "variable may not have been initialized"
Jun 15 20:17:49 <BHSPitMonkey> But this error is inside a "if (myvar != null)" clause
Jun 15 20:18:13 <BHSPitMonkey> ... Never mind, I should be initializing the variable to null rather than simply declaring it
Jun 15 20:18:17 <BHSPitMonkey> Duh
Jun 15 20:18:51 <BHSPitMonkey> (This is what happens when you go a year only using Python and JS)
Jun 15 20:19:54 <kbs> a random algorithm question. Idly speculating about simple ways to "cluster" emails into a related conversation (similar to gmail, I guess.) Is there anything much more clever than simply clustering by subject line (with appropriate normalization for the Re: / fwd: type prefixes?)
Jun 15 20:20:14 <kbs> )I've come to the conclusion that doing deep thread-tree type analysis isn't particularly useful)
Jun 15 20:20:34 <Xabster> BHSPitMonkey: local variables are uninitialized in java, they're not "null" like class fields if left uninitialized
Jun 15 20:20:54 <BHSPitMonkey> Yep
Jun 15 20:22:22 <jcrowgey> okay, so now i have a real update.  while i dont' know why using a string value for android:codes doesn't work (the docs seems to suggest it should), you can set android:keyOutputText to a string value and you're good to go!
Jun 15 20:23:49 <BHSPitMonkey> Anyone know: If you "share" a photo (say, from Gallery), does that SEND intent contain the full photo blob or just a filesystem uri?
Jun 15 20:26:06 <kbs> it's a uri, that you dereference from contentresovler or something similar
Jun 15 20:27:56 <kbs> there's a pretty nifty (if relatively obscure) way to send bunches of images too; so you don't have to restrict yourself to one image either.
Jun 15 20:29:36 <BHSPitMonkey> kbs: ACTION_SEND_MULTIPLE, yes?
Jun 15 20:30:06 <kbs> yep, that's exactly it. It gives you (essentially) a directory uri, that you then zip through to get individual uris to images
Jun 15 20:31:01 <kbs> it's usually not much more work to listen for SEND_MULTIPLE than just SEND, and may as well just do it up front (my 0.02...)
Jun 15 20:31:32 <BHSPitMonkey> By the way, this is probably as good a time as any to ask whether what I'm making already exists: A client and server app, where the client receives SEND intents and transforms them into VIEW intents and sends them to the server (which runs a background service that executes those intents as they come in)
Jun 15 20:33:21 <kbs> is the "server app" running outside the device? (trying to understand some basic stuff :-)
Jun 15 20:33:40 <BHSPitMonkey> Specifically, the server is going to run on my OUYA and allow me to rapidly share things (web pages, youtube links etc.) to my TV from my phone/tablet
Jun 15 20:34:00 <BHSPitMonkey> kbs: yes, separate android devices
Jun 15 20:34:45 <kbs> aah, that's a nifty idea. I haven't heard of anything like it myself, though that doesn't mean a whole lot either.
Jun 15 20:35:47 <kbs> so it sounds like it's a 'bridge' that lets you basically tie in separate physical devices through intents -- that's a pretty clever idea. nice.
Jun 15 20:37:19 <davis> I have usb debugging enabled on my nexus 4, but eclipse does not see it as a debug target.  My old HTC will work with usb debugging. Any idea what to do?
Jun 15 20:38:12 <BHSPitMonkey> kbs: thanks. It'll be on Github before too much longer :)
Jun 15 20:38:37 <BHSPitMonkey> davis: does it come up in 'adb devices'
Jun 15 20:39:07 <BHSPitMonkey> if not, you may need to do some fiddling with config files related to the device's USB identifiers
Jun 15 20:39:40 <davis> it does not show up in adb devices
Jun 15 20:41:02 <kbs> BHSPitMonkey: excellent :-) It sounds to me that your app might actually be able to just mirror all the available intents on both sides. You'll have to do some shenanigans to be able to handle content urls -- but if you're able to pull it off, it would be a clever trick indeed; and a nifty way to share between devices.
Jun 15 20:42:51 <BHSPitMonkey> kbs: I transform the SEND intent into a new (VIEW) intent on the client before transmitting it anyway; it's just a matter of how many use cases I want to provide special handling for
Jun 15 20:43:22 <BHSPitMonkey> I already have simple URLs (like those shared from inside Chrome or YouTube) working; The next one I want to do is images
Jun 15 20:43:59 <BHSPitMonkey> I need to confirm that a VIEW intent with attached binary data can even work first
Jun 15 20:46:27 <kbs> understood on the SEND->VIEW idea :-) and agree that content urls (like images) will prove a bit more work to finagle. I wonder  whether you might be able to get away with doing a literal mirror on both ends; if you get the "share-a-blob" type intents to work.
Jun 15 20:47:46 <BHSPitMonkey> it should be easy to make the intent, but I don't know if android's photo viewer(s) actually display images supplied that way
Jun 15 20:48:00 <BHSPitMonkey> one way to find out...
Jun 15 20:49:38 <kbs> yep. the intent based sharing/filtering is a bit hit-and-miss in general.... Transforming the intent to a new type is an interesting thought; should be entertaining to watch  :-)
Jun 15 20:52:20 <Rescue9> I have an alertdialog  that creates two buttons (Ok & Cancel) and hosts a listview. Is it possible to have the buttons change name on itemlongpress in the listview?
Jun 15 20:52:55 <Rescue9> shorter still... is it possible to change the name of an alertdialog button progmatically & refresh the view?
Jun 15 20:55:07 <Afzal>  why the hell does gradle want to add my app's content root to my project's content root >_<
Jun 15 20:56:03 <Afzal> also keeps on adding the Android facet to my project >_<
Jun 15 20:56:42 <kbs> out of curiosity, besides all the jollies that people get out of yet-another-complex-build-system -- what does gradle offer that's interesting, to the dinosaurs that don't use IDEs for development?
Jun 15 21:10:54 <[dmp]_> Hi. I'm not able to import com.google.android.gms.location.LocationClient (eclipse cannot resolve it), however com.google.android.gms.maps.model.Marker works. So I belive that my project is configured correctly to use Google API v17/4.2.2. Any pointers to what my problem might be?
Jun 15 21:12:33 <kjeldahl> kbs: It allows those non-IDE people to not use Maven. That's a major feature. ;-)
Jun 15 21:16:44 <kjeldahl> (or Ant, I get confused..)
Jun 15 21:17:22 <kjeldahl> On a more serious note, see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1163173/why-use-gradle-instead-of-ant-or-maven
Jun 15 21:19:37 <kbs> kjeldahl: agree on the Maven insight. :-)
Jun 15 21:20:22 <kbs> then again, I was perfectly happy with makefiles myself before ant came along and ruined my naive expectations about 'correct' dependency checking ;-)
Jun 15 21:24:51 <kjeldahl> Yeah, a good set of Makefiles should probably work too. My "gut instinct" when I started on Android was to look for the set of simple build instructions. Couldn't find it. It was all "Eclipse magic". Very annoying.
Jun 15 21:27:25 <kbs> and everything gets better by declaring it in XML too.
Jun 15 21:29:43 <Teratogen> I want to write android apps in Perl!
Jun 15 21:30:23 <kbs> everything gets better with Perl too, right? :-)
Jun 15 21:30:31 <Teratogen> yes, much simpler
Jun 15 21:38:02 <Afzal> I successfully debugged a Perl program last week, I don't even know perl
Jun 15 21:39:19 <kbs> generating java from perl is also considerably simpler than messing with java generics ;-)
Jun 15 21:40:49 <andkore> anyone know of a good example for widgets?
Jun 15 21:49:39 <kjeldahl> I've done lots of stuff in Perl; it has server me well. But it's dead now. Dead. It has it place - with python and ruby - for sysadmin stuff, and possibly even simple server tasks, but not much else.
Jun 15 21:49:51 <kjeldahl> has SERVED me well..
Jun 15 21:50:36 <kjeldahl> Android and Perl? Sure, right after Perl gets threads support.. ;-)
Jun 15 21:55:13 <g00s> perl is a great replacement for sed / awk / grep :)
Jun 15 22:00:05 <kjeldahl> Weird stuff. I have an app that posts JSON strings to my server. On my Galaxy Nexus, works fine (my "handler" gets the proper string that can be json decoded just fine). When posted from an S3 (lower API level, Android 4.1.2) that same string - when feed to the json parser - is not properly url decoded. Easy to detect and fix, but I need to figure out why.
Jun 15 22:00:30 <kjeldahl> (detect and fix server side I meant)
Jun 15 22:06:56 <Afzal> I wonder what the progress on ABS in mvn central is
Jun 15 22:07:26 <Afzal> as aar*
Jun 15 22:12:58 <SimonVT> I don't think there is any
Jun 15 22:14:09 <SimonVT> Last I checked gradle wasn't able to support the fest module
Jun 15 22:15:28 <SimonVT> Then there's the whole repository in the sdk mess
Jun 15 22:15:34 <SimonVT> So don't hold your breath
Jun 15 22:25:54 <Afzal> SimonVT, I see. I don't know about the problems with maven so I won't even try lol
Jun 15 22:26:27 <Afzal> To everyone who was having trouble with including library modules that weren't present in the project root: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102291695720460577492/posts/7hDmxXMNr16
Jun 15 22:40:09 <Rescue9> Lets talk maven a minute.... I popped into another channel to discuss packaging libraries with my project and all I kept hearing was Maven this, Maven that, Maven is the god of the universe... etc. What makes Maven so much better over using eclipse and building it as I've always done?
Jun 15 22:41:04 <kjeldahl> Automation?
Jun 15 22:41:07 <Afzal> lol, no idea, never used maven but usually people like repositories instead of local folders and I guess that's what maven does
Jun 15 22:41:24 <Afzal> you put one line in your project, it pulls the latest version automatically (?)
Jun 15 22:43:05 <SimonVT> Proper dependency management
Jun 15 22:43:17 <Rescue9> oh. sounds like it might be great for multiple devs working on a project
Jun 15 22:43:34 <SimonVT> Adding a dependency from maven central is just a few lines of xml
Jun 15 22:43:43 <SimonVT> No pulling, importing, whatever
Jun 15 22:44:11 <SimonVT> Updating a dependency to a newer version is just changing the version tag
Jun 15 22:44:24 <Rescue9> so essentially, it's like one big buffet of code. you just pull your try up, tell maven you want a scoop of something, and it dishes it out automatically?
Jun 15 22:44:37 <Rescue9> try = tray
Jun 15 22:45:46 <SimonVT> Heh, yep
Jun 15 22:45:53 <Rescue9> gotcha
Jun 15 22:46:49 <Afzal> It's like composer (in php) if you've used that
Jun 15 22:48:27 <Rescue9> nope. get the picture though.
Jun 15 23:02:24 <jalcine> anyone has tips for Android development in Vim?
Jun 15 23:03:18 <BullShark> jalcine -> vim touch app
Jun 15 23:03:27 <BullShark> oh nvm, i read that wrong
Jun 15 23:03:30 <jalcine> lol it's cool
Jun 15 23:03:35 <jalcine> but that is a nifty app
Jun 15 23:03:44 <jalcine> I've used it when my laptop's not around
Jun 15 23:03:57 <BullShark> jalcine -> i just use vim plugin. there's vim plugins for the 3 major IDEs, eclipse, netbeans, intellij
Jun 15 23:05:09 <BullShark> jalcine -> i haven't tried it, but eclim is supposed to allow you to use eclipse features in vim
Jun 15 23:06:07 <jalcine> yeah; but it requires having Eclipse still installed.
Jun 15 23:06:15 <jalcine> at that rate; you might as well just use Eclipse
Jun 15 23:06:21 <jalcine> no biggie.
Jun 15 23:06:27 <jalcine> I'd stick to using IntelliJ
Jun 15 23:06:30 <BullShark> this one might work with android studio
Jun 15 23:06:32 <BullShark> http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=164
Jun 15 23:06:41 <BullShark> it's a vim plugin for intellij
Jun 15 23:16:28 <jalcine> ah sweet
Jun 15 23:16:31 <jalcine> that'd be useful
Jun 15 23:16:33 <jalcine> thanks
Jun 15 23:20:56 <androidnewb> Hi Guys, how do you save image/files in the android internal storage? what is the equavalent this function ".getExternalStoragePublicDirectory" for internal storage? thanks!
Jun 15 23:21:52 <BullShark> androidnewb -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=save+file+internal+storage+android
Jun 15 23:22:45 <androidnewb> thank you bullshark
Jun 15 23:24:19 <androidnewb> any have other ideas? still not working
Jun 15 23:30:28 <SimonVT> There's no public directory for pictures, etc, on the internal storage
Jun 15 23:30:32 <SimonVT> You only have your apps private storage
Jun 15 23:34:15 <BullShark> will google abandon the eclipse adt plugin? doesn't matter to me if they do, just curious
Jun 15 23:44:05 <androidnewb> SimonVT: well my Nexus 7 has no external storage, I just want to save my picture in internal storage, whats the best way to do this?
Jun 15 23:44:16 <SimonVT> Yes it does
Jun 15 23:44:25 <SimonVT> It has no removable storage
Jun 15 23:44:28 <SimonVT> But it has external storage
Jun 15 23:45:08 <androidnewb> ok, now I understand but I i don't why my code still not working, brb.
Jun 15 23:45:29 <SimonVT> You're probably doing it wrong
Jun 15 23:45:44 <androidnewb> yes, brb
Jun 15 23:49:28 <BullShark> nexus 7 cannot take a memory card but it does emulate external storage
Jun 15 23:58:58 <androidnewb> I can't seem to make this work, can you guys spot anything fishy in this code? http://pastebin.com/dL1aQcv3
Jun 16 00:06:21 <StingRay_> androidnewb: dunno what your wanting to do
Jun 16 00:06:32 <StingRay_> and you have not said whats happening
Jun 16 00:06:48 <StingRay_> is this your mid way point now ? in your 72 hour stint ?
Jun 16 00:10:02 <androidnewb> 72hr ends at monday. I want to save my picture to my android device. I don't know what's wrong with my code. when I click ok and go back to my app it will close my app, "unsespected error".
Jun 16 00:10:24 <StingRay_> unsespected ?
Jun 16 00:11:46 <androidnewb> i mean Unfortunately, your app has stopped"
Jun 16 00:11:58 <JesusFreke> androidnewb: grab the stack trace from logcat for more information
Jun 16 00:12:52 <androidnewb> ok brb
Jun 16 00:13:47 <androidnewb> "Failure delivering result ResultInfo{who=null, request=1, result=-1, data=null}"
Jun 16 00:14:06 <androidnewb>  java.lang.RuntimeException:
Jun 16 00:14:10 <StingRay_> well now you have something to work with
Jun 16 00:14:36 <androidnewb> I need this to be done before monday.
Jun 16 00:15:05 <StingRay_> I'd like my app realese next week
Jun 16 00:15:14 <Phlow> I want a pony
Jun 16 00:15:24 <androidnewb> I just wan't to save my captured image to the android.
Jun 16 00:15:30 <androidnewb> I can do this!
Jun 16 00:15:37 <StingRay_> sure you can
Jun 16 00:16:05 <androidnewb> yes sir, back to work! :)
Jun 16 00:33:13 <Rescue9> what's with the 72 hour deadline?
Jun 16 00:40:58 <StingRay_> a deadline
Jun 16 00:41:01 <StingRay_> that err
Jun 16 00:41:07 <StingRay_> lasts 72 hours
Jun 16 00:41:11 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 16 00:41:15 <Rescue9> Wow. so insightful
Jun 16 00:41:43 * StingRay_ is here to help :)
Jun 16 00:42:31 <StingRay_> and bored
Jun 16 00:42:49 <Rescue9> you still haven't delivered my UI. you could work on that. :-D
Jun 16 00:43:01 <StingRay_> i what ?
Jun 16 00:43:17 <StingRay_> I'm supposed to do you a UI ?
Jun 16 00:43:20 <StingRay_> for what ?
Jun 16 00:43:26 <StingRay_> when did I say that ?
Jun 16 00:43:32 <Rescue9> you know... the app that's worthless because it doesn't really do anything.
Jun 16 00:43:43 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 16 00:43:48 <StingRay_> yeah, er… no
Jun 16 00:43:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 16 00:43:53 <Rescue9> hah
Jun 16 00:44:04 <StingRay_> you come up with something ?
Jun 16 00:44:48 <Rescue9> I'm working on another project now; a payday calculator for my fire department.
Jun 16 00:44:57 <Rescue9> helps me learn too.
Jun 16 00:45:14 <StingRay_> see that sound 1000s of times better
Jun 16 00:45:21 <StingRay_> it has a purpose and use for a start
Jun 16 00:45:22 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 16 00:45:31 <Rescue9> just spent a couple of days fighting with fragments and getting a listview populating properly.
Jun 16 00:45:38 <Rescue9> yea... very purposeful.
Jun 16 00:46:04 <Rescue9> learned about ContentProviders & CursorAdapters and lots more. brain hurts too.
Jun 16 00:46:11 <Rescue9> is fun though.
Jun 16 00:46:39 <Rescue9> so not looking forward to workig on the tablet ui though.
Jun 16 00:47:17 <StingRay_> why not ?
Jun 16 00:47:23 <StingRay_> should be easy
Jun 16 00:47:28 <StingRay_> if designed properly
Jun 16 00:47:48 <Rescue9> I have a design in mind, but it means working with fragments.... that's something I have little experience with as of yet.
Jun 16 00:53:08 <StingRay_> well dont forget to convert the "in mind" to "on paper/on screen" before you start
Jun 16 00:53:42 <Rescue9> yea. been looking at some wireframing stuff. haven't found anything that really looks promising though.
Jun 16 00:54:21 <StingRay_> pencil project
Jun 16 00:54:31 <StingRay_> or "a real" pencil and paper
Jun 16 00:54:35 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 16 00:55:12 <Rescue9> yea.... no
Jun 16 00:55:20 <StingRay_> well pencil project then
Jun 16 00:55:23 <Rescue9> couple of reasons. 1, I draw like crap
Jun 16 00:55:24 <StingRay_> if you lazy
Jun 16 00:55:44 <Rescue9> 2 I want to keep everything together in the project on disk so I can reference later.
Jun 16 00:56:08 <Rescue9> 3 lazy
Jun 16 00:58:58 <StingRay_> well if you want an idea of just layouts etc, pencil poject, if you need a presnation quality thing, illustrator and ps I guess
Jun 16 00:59:10 <StingRay_> fk I miss moking
Jun 16 00:59:15 <StingRay_> smoking*
Jun 16 00:59:20 <Rescue9> naw.... just pencil project.
Jun 16 00:59:44 <BHSPitMonkey> everything I've ever developed started on paper
Jun 16 01:00:01 <BHSPitMonkey> well, for the most part... sometimes I mockup in inkscape first
Jun 16 01:00:33 * Rescue9 thinks backwards. Code first, pretty later
Jun 16 01:00:44 * StingRay_ would love to work with paper, (looks at his 3 wacom tables) hmm, perhaps not 
Jun 16 01:01:32 <BHSPitMonkey> I have to have a spec to code against first :P
Jun 16 01:11:43 <wlritchi> I have an issue with FEATURE_NO_TITLE that may be device-specific. The title bar can still be pulled down, even though it's not shown. Is this standard behaviour, or TouchWiz-specific?
Jun 16 01:12:30 <wlritchi> I'm aiming to disable access to it entirely from a locker app.
Jun 16 01:49:37 <billybigrigger> anyone here use android-studio on linux?
Jun 16 02:00:09 <kulas> hi, I have a android app that logins to my University intranet. The thing is that since 3 days ago, my app can't login and it gives me the following error: javax.net.ssl.SSLPeerUnverifiedException: No peer certificate. I'm trying to make my app accepts all certificates, with this class http://pastebin.com/B0T96PcB and here I login to the website http://pastebin.com/KXK1DnDD. But after login,...
Jun 16 02:00:10 <kulas> ...when I try to load the website on a webview, it dosn't load .. anyone knows why?
Jun 16 02:48:57 <shadyvb> hello everybody, i'm looking for an answer for my problem: i need to activate voice calling on an android tablet, which has a 3g modem ( voice enabled ) attached through USB. I can connect to 3g networks, but can't make voice calls. Can i enable the voice without compiling from source ?
Jun 16 02:49:55 <StingRay_> shadyvb: wrong channel
Jun 16 02:50:10 <shadyvb> android-root ?
Jun 16 02:50:14 <StingRay_> dunno
Jun 16 02:50:18 <StingRay_> maybe
Jun 16 02:50:46 <shadyvb> okay, thank you.
Jun 16 02:51:14 <andkore> How can I get text input from a widget? http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/appwidgets/index.html <-- the list of accepted widgets doesn't include EditText
Jun 16 02:52:04 <andkore> oh god, never mind. I'm an idiot
Jun 16 02:52:09 <andkore> TextView can be edited
Jun 16 02:54:23 <andkore> Eclipse is telling me that  android:editable="true" is deprecated. what's up with that?
Jun 16 02:56:31 <kevinb> i don't think appwidgets allow editable text. i'm not sure about android:editable being deprecated though
Jun 16 02:56:45 <andkore> kevinb, how does the google search thing work then?
Jun 16 02:57:00 <kevinb> you click it and it opens the app
Jun 16 02:57:06 <andkore> wow, really
Jun 16 02:57:32 <andkore> I could have sworn it allowed you to do it on the screen
Jun 16 02:58:24 <andkore> you appear to be correct... the more you know. thanks
Jun 16 02:58:52 <kevinb> one approach some widgets take is to have a transparent or dialog activity popup on click and get the info
Jun 16 02:59:01 <kevinb> that way you don't really feel like you've left the launcher, even though you have
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